Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, April 19th, 2007, 00:04 UTC

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GreyFoxx:

yay, the new tuner is now in the mix and is recording a show that wouldn't have gotten recorded as I was out of tuners

[00:04:41]

GreyFoxx:

I love new toys

[00:04:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

t0ny-p40: Why would i need that? I've got an Oscilloscope! (And I've used it to debug my Dish7200 remote streams for lirc)

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mchou:

anyone have a HDTV set here?

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Tanthrix:

mchou: I will tomorrow ;)

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mchou:

Tanthrix: that's what they all say

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Not me — I'm using PC monitors for my HD stuff atm... ;-)

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Tanthrix:

mchou: No, seriously, it's in the mail! (Oddly enough not freight, even though it's a 42 inch set)

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mchou:

I'm trying to solve a cable HDTV issue for my friend

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Tanthrix:

mchou: What's the problem?

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

the problem is the specs say QAM and openQAM.....

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah, what's the problem? I don't have a HDTV set, but I do have a HD Myth system, and two HD frontends...

[00:09:11]

mchou:

but he doesnt even get local HDTV stations over coax

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Tanthrix:

mchou: It's possible they're all encrypted, even though that's a violation of FCC regulations.

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Does he subscribe to HD cable?

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mchou:

Tanthrix: well, that's the part I'm wondering about

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Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: Even regular basic cable should provide the HD OTA channels

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mchou:

Do you NEED CableCARD for local HDTV over cable?

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Tanthrix:

no

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: No, you shouldn't. You would for premium channels, but shoudn't for locals.

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mchou:

(assume if he has openQAM capable TV set.....)

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mchou:

anyway, I'm flabbergasted

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Tanthrix:

mchou: Does he have digital cable with a box?

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mchou:

I told him its all PnP, no cablecard necessary

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mchou:

Tanthrix: he used to, but got rid of it

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mchou:

this TV is actually at his parents place.

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Tanthrix:

mchou: Hrm, ok. With some boxes you can tell which channels are encrypted via the diagnostics menu.

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mchou:

so we are both trying to figure it out

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mchou:

I wonder if his parents have to do 'seach channels' on the TV set again to get it working

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mchou:

he says he tunes in to channel 702 (local HDTV station) but it reverts to the last Tune SDTV channel......

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mchou:

tuned*

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mchou:

I'm totally baffled on what to advise him next

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mchou:

the 'clue' he provides is that the TV wont tune to anything higher than channel 82

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mchou:

I thought that was rather odd

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mchou:

cause anything <125 is all SDTV, afaik

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Tanthrix:

mchou: Sounds like they need to do a channel scan again to me.

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mchou:

Well, that's the only thing I can come up with....

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mchou:

sure hopes it works for his parents

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mchou:

cause otherwise the TV set would be a heavy brick

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mchou:

he

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mchou:

heh

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PaulWay[w]:

Does anyone have any ideas why my brother's myth backend would be automatically expiring recordings as soon as they're completed?

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PaulWay[w]:

As in: new recording, just made, gets expired, while old shows get left alone.

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GreyFoxx:

he desperately out of space and his old stuff has auto expire disabled ?

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PaulWay[w]:

Nope, 142GB free.

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J-e-f-f-A:

PaulWay[w]: Does he have 'maximum episodes' set, but not 'auto-expire old and keep new'?

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PaulWay[w]:

Ummmmm.

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PaulWay[w]:

He has maximum episodes set to 0, AFAICS.

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PaulWay[w]:

I'm looking around in his database – record is where upcoming recordings are stored, yes?

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GreyFoxx:

it's where the recording rules are

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GreyFoxx:

but nothing about the actually upcoming shows

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PaulWay[w]:

Well, I'm guessing it will have something to do with the rules...

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PaulWay[w]:

what's the 'maxnewest' field mean in 'record'?

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Anduin:

PaulWay[w]: we can drag this here

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ffeingol:

I'm having an issue installing lirc on feisty. anyone have a moment for some help?

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PaulWay[w]:

Anduin: Ta.

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Anduin:

PaulWay[w]: When maxnewest = 0 it will not record new episodes

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PaulWay[w]:

Right. When maxnewest = 1, it expires old episodes.

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directhex:

ffeingol, anything specific?

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Anduin:

PaulWay[w]: If you are debugging recording problems, mythbackend --printsched is helpful as well

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PaulWay[w]:

Thanks!

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ffeingol:

directhex: I followed the doc on the ubuntu site and the moduels "seem" to build and install correctly but when I got to start it it comes back with no modules found

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ffeingol:

I had a bit of issues building the kernel modules for a wifi card also. I'm wondering if feisty is really "stable" enough yet or if I should go back to edgy

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directhex:

you can't downgrade

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directhex:

and what does "dpkg -l lirc-modules* | grep ^ii" return?

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ffeingol:

ii lirc-modules-2.6.20-15-generic 0.8.1+cvs20070310–0ubuntu2+2.6.20–15.27 Linux Infra-red Remote Control support (binary kernel modules)

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Kazan:

when does mythtv grab EIT data from an EIT source?

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directhex:

ffeingol, which lirc module did you ask for (e.g. lirc_serial and do on)

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ffeingol:

it's the new mce driver

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directhex:

ffeingol, dpkg -L lirc-modules-2.6.20-15-generic

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ffeingol:

mceusb2

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ffeingol:

I see a gpio, dev and i2c module

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Kazan:

guess nobody knows :/ darn

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ffeingol:

whch is not quite what I was looking for :D

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directhex:

i'm gonna have to go, it's well past my sleep-or-be-a-zombie time

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ffeingol:

thnx for the help. I'll keep plugging away

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directhex:

Kazan, all the time, more or less. check your mythbackend log for "EIT event"

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directhex:

Kazan, can take minutes or hours to fill up all data for all channels

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Kazan:

i only have like.. 20 channels that should get data

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Kazan:

how often should "EIT event"s take place

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directhex:

Kazan, every couple of minutes?

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Kazan:

hmm

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directhex:

2007-04–17 16:53:19.428 EITScanner: Added 184 EIT Events

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Kazan:

my backend has been up atleast 30 minutes

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Kazan:

tail -500 /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log | grep EIT

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Kazan:

returns nothing

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Kazan:

and do you know a way to get xine to crop to 16:9

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Kazan:

i have a 4:3 letterboxed SDTV broadcast (ie 16:9 image in 4:3 SDTV space) and I have a 16:9 tv now

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Kazan:

so i want to chop off the letterbox

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Kazan:

found it.. zoom in vertically... takes a lot of hits on it

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Kazan:

still not EIT Event

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Kazan:

no*

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Kazan:

is it possible that the channels aren't broadcasting their EIT data?

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Tanthrix:

Damn. My new TV is in my city at the local UPS branch, but it won't be delivered until tomorrow.

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Tanthrix:

Woe is me, and all that.

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GreyFoxx:

Kazan: Certainly possible

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GreyFoxx:

plus it will depend on your settings. Passive or active EIT scanning, if you are recording, and using passive it;s possible there is no EIT data on the transport you are recording from

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GreyFoxx:

in my case my local cable provider isn't sending any standard EIT data at all

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Kazan:

it's not currently recording from that source

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GreyFoxx:

but they appear to be using a custom defined method for transport

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Kazan:

and i have no idea if it's available

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GreyFoxx:

and you have to enable EIT scanning on the video source

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GreyFoxx:

lots of ducks to line up

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Kazan:

hmm

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Kazan:

i'll take a look at that later

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Kazan:

hmm

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Kazan:

if my mythtv video is too far to one direction.. is tere a way to adjust it

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Kazan:

it's just in myth with XvMC output

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Kazan:

(i added a lot of things today... ATSC card, bigger storage, XvMC capable video card)

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Kazan:

gawd i wish this country still knew what "consumer protection" means so we could get decent HDTV support

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PaulWay[w]:

Well, this is very odd.

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PaulWay[w]:

My brother's mythweb has the 'upcoming recordings' listing showing several shows from the past (e.g. Sat 14 April)

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Kazan:

wtf.. i cannot enter mythvideo

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groogs[h]:

so does mythtv autoexpire lower priority items first, regardless of age ?

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Kazan:

i believe so.. if it's configured to do so

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groogs[h]:

i see some discussion on the mailing list circa 0.15~0.17 talking about adding that feature, but i can't tell if it's in

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groogs[h]:

i don't like it, i have a show set to lower priority simply because i have one tuner card, and i'd rather other stuff record if there are conflicts

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Anduin:

groogs[h]: Look at the settings

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groogs[h]:

but the result is it's autoexpiring shows like 1/2 hour after they record (since my disk is full)

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groogs[h]:

ah, here it is, thanks

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** Kazan wonders why the fuck he cannot go into mythVideo... i don't get any errors in backend or frontend log **

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Kazan:

it just doesn't let me navigate into the menu

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groogs[h]:

never noticed before

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groogs[h]:

Kazan: what happens?

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PaulWay[w]:

Kazan: dare I suggest uninstalling and reinstalling mythvideo?

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Kazan:

it does nothing groogs[h]

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Kazan:

PaulWay[w]: it appears that you are right

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Kazan:

just tried to go into the configure screen

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PaulWay[w]:

Maybe it's a different version to the rest of the mythfrontend.

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Kazan:

installed mythvideo is 0.20.20060828–3 but libmyth is 0.20.20060828–4

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Kazan:

which is odd

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PaulWay[w]:

Hmmm.

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Kazan:

because i did svn updates on all the various parts of mythtv and recompiled today

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Kazan:

maybe i forgot to make install

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Kazan:

ah

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Kazan:

i think that was it

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Kazan:

hmm

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Kazan:

oh nope

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Kazan:

i didn't navigate into the menus far enough

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Kazan:

how the hell am i getting version mismatches in svn .20-fixes

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Kazan:

maybe i need to compile from clean

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** Tanthrix wishes he could say "make room clean" and have it be done.. **

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Kazan:

ROTFL

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Kazan:

wtb: make house clean

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Tanthrix:

That would be nice too, hehe.

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Kazan:

wtb: video adjustments for mythtv

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Kazan:

it's internal player in xvmc mode is too far to one way

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Kazan:

and now my DVB card won't lock channels

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Kazan:

that it had nice solid locks on in scanning

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Kazan:

holy fack

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Kazan:

backend crashed

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Kazan:

2007-04–18 20:55:00.639 DVBRec(0) Warning: Recording will not commence until a PMT is set.

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Kazan:

wtf?

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Tanthrix:

Kazan: The correct term is "frak," not "fack"

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Kazan:

heh

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Kazan:

still

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Kazan:

wtf does that mean

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kormoc:

check the source

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Kazan:

the source scanned fine in mythtv setup

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Kazan:

it got solid channel locks

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kormoc:

the source code

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Kazan:

i even got it to lock channel, once, inside mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

There is an ongoing ticket about that I believe

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** Kazan gives a very nasty look **

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Kazan:

yes there is an ongoing ticket

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kormoc:

shouldn't use unstale code if you don't want to handle broken peices

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Kazan:

it's .20-fixes

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Kazan:

.20-fixes shouldn't be unstable

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Kazan:

if it is someone needs their ass chewed for confusing a fixes branch with head

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Kazan:

excuse my language

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kormoc:

should likely be a tad more graceious about all the time and energy that people are giving to you for free...

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GreyFoxx:

and like it or not, bugs are in releases and patches too :)

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Kazan:

kormoc: i donate my code time too

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GreyFoxx:

assuming it's a bug and not a broken provider acting ojut of spec like many do

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Kazan:

GreyFoxx: yeah, i just didn't like kormoc's flippiant tone

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GreyFoxx:

but I'd have to read the whole ticket history to know what's up with it

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Kazan:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3031

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GreyFoxx:

I'm still stoked I have so many QAM channels in the clear

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Kazan:

lucky

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Kazan:

how many you have in the clear

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Kazan:

i have...... 3 or 4 not counting music channels

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GreyFoxx:

myth found 156, dvn scan says 315

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GreyFoxx:

I've gone through and id's 40 of them so far and mapped them to the proper callsign/xmltvid so I now have zap2it data imported for those 40

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Kazan:

man you're getting a LOT in the clear

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Kazan:

where do you live

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GreyFoxx:

Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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GreyFoxx:

One thing those id tags on the screen are good for is iding what channel it is when you have no idea :)

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Kazan:

ah

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Kazan:

canada

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Kazan:

one of those countries that still believes in the rights of consumers

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Kazan:

hmm.. apparently enabling "quick tuning" helps reduce the occurance of this bug for someone else with the same card i have

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Kazan:

possibly fix submitted yesterday

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris

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** Kazan waves to xris **

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Kazan:

rebuilding mythplugins after a make clean cleared up my mythvideo problem

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PaulWay[w]:

BTW, in Australia we have ABC and ABC2 – the latter often shows repeats of shows that aired on the former.

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PaulWay[w]:

Is there a way of linking those two channels together so that Myth can try to record shows from either of those two channels?

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PaulWay[w]:

Or do I need a separate schedule for each show on each channel?

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tuxd00d:

why?

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tuxd00d:

just have it record all shows on all channels

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tuxd00d:

with removing repeats, etc

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PaulWay[w]:

Hmmmm – good idea.

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PaulWay[w]:

I was hoping for something a little more specific.

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tuxd00d:

I have BYUTV and KBYU which often ari the same programs on the same day at different times

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tuxd00d:

I just give BYUTV as a channel a higher priority so that if it is on both, it records from BUYTV as it has a better quality

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tuxd00d:

and no commercials

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tuxd00d:

PaulWay[w]: what is your specific question then

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Kazan:

hmm

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Kazan:

xine and xvmc not getting along

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tuxd00d:

PaulWay[w]: I still don't follow yet, let me reread it

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Tanthrix:

PaulWay[w]: I don't think there is a way of doing that, but would you want to anyway?

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Kazan:

a custom recording schedule will do it for you

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tuxd00d:

I have mine set up to record program "TVSHOW1" on any channel at any time. I know that "TVSHOW1" is only going to show in channel 21 or channel 2, so it works for me... and will make sure that it doesn't record duplicates

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Kazan:

but you'll need to know the raw channel IDs and a bit about sql

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PaulWay[w]:

Tanthrix: *shrugs* in this example, it'd be useful. But the 'record everywhere' option is probably the best fit.

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Kazan:

anyone here have an nvidia xvmc card?

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Kazan:

if so what is your "preferred mpeg2 decoder" in myth?

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Kazan:

i only get "standard xvmc" and "via xvmc" – selected standard... this right?

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GreyFoxx:

Kazan: I do

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GreyFoxx:

I just use the standard decoder

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GreyFoxx:

I don't need to bother with stuff like xvmc

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tuxd00d:

Kazan: what's xvmc?

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PaulWay[w]:

standard xvmc for me.

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GreyFoxx:

tuxd00d: HArdware assited mpeg decoding

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tuxd00d:

ohh

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GreyFoxx:

so your GPU can assisting in decoding the mpeg2 stream

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tuxd00d:

I have an nvidia card, I just used the default... haven't played with optimization yet.

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tuxd00d:

Maybe I should sometime

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Kazan:

if you're playing back HDTV you should be using xvmc grey

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Kazan:

brb need to clean up the place before wife gets home

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** cesman hears the crack of a whip ;) **

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GreyFoxx:

Kazan: Nah, I can play 1080i without GPU assistance, so I don't need to deal with the headaches that come with XvMC

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joeuser:

I'm sure you can't. the resolution is far to demanding for anything wihtout a gpu

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GreyFoxx:

ummmm you aren't serious right ?

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joeuser:

well what do u propose to use, if not a gpu?

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GreyFoxx:

Software decoding in cpu

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GreyFoxx:

1080i (mpeg2) plays just fine on my box

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GreyFoxx:

now if it was h264 I could see your point, but since the majority of all HDTV out there is mpeg2 it's not an issue for me

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Tanthrix:

GreyFoxx: Must have left in shame. ;)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Tanthrix:

Shame about 1080P x264 support in linux.

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GreyFoxx:

Until I have that coming in, I'll let others worry about it :)

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Tanthrix:

From what I can gather you simply can't do it, unless you can hack mplayer to use CoreAVC

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TSCHAK:

want to kill...mythgame...

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TSCHAK:

it's not finding a bunch of my mame roms

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TSCHAK:

pacman for example

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TSCHAK:

:-P

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TSCHAK:

it runs just fine if i manually run it.. but it won't show up in the display

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TSCHAK:

(erm, the mythgame list)

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GreyFoxx:

what is the exact filename of the rom ?

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TSCHAK:

pacman.zip

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TSCHAK:

there are a bunch that simply aren't showing up

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GreyFoxx:

And when you defined it in your gameplayer you have zip in there as the file extension or is it blank ?

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TSCHAK:

blank

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GreyFoxx:

ok, and I assume pacman.zip is under the directory you have aset as the rompath for that gameplayer ?

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TSCHAK:

yes

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TSCHAK:

it's finding SOME of the roms

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TSCHAK:

mismatch in romdb I guess?

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GreyFoxx:

nah, even if romdb doesn't contain a match it should still be placed into the list

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GreyFoxx:

if you can, check the gamemetadata table for a pacman.zip entry

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PaulWay[w]:

If every recorded show is set to not expire, and the storage fills up, does it start deleting shows or does it not record new ones?

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TSCHAK:

one moment

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kormoc:

it should just not record I believe

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TSCHAK:

GreyFoxx, oddly enough, no entry...

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TSCHAK:

GreyFoxx, i'm gonna try to clear my game data

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GreyFoxx:

TSCHAK: Check your mythfrontend output too

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GreyFoxx:

It should list every file it finds

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TSCHAK:

wtf?!

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GreyFoxx:

?

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TSCHAK:

one moment.

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GreyFoxx:

PaulWay[w]: Not running mythfilldatabase which clears out old recording info? I've had that happen in the paste and it was when my mythfilldb was crashing and not doing it's full cleanup

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PaulWay[w]:

Hmmm – I've run mythfilldatabase just recently and it hasn't cleared it...

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PaulWay[w]:

and mythbackend --printsched doesn't show them.

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PaulWay[w]:

It's just confusing, is all.

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TSCHAK:

GreyFoxx, ohhhh kay, it's saying found puckman.zip .......... which is the pacman rom... just as it should be....

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TSCHAK:

GreyFoxx, but it's not showing up in the list anywhere.

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TSCHAK:

ugh

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TSCHAK:

i just found out why

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TSCHAK:

i set mythgame to display filenames instead of the extended data

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TSCHAK:

and when I move the cursor over puckman.zip ...... I get.....

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TSCHAK:

Ms. Pacman Championship

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TSCHAK:

what's even MORE bizarre, when I select it.... I get the game "Big Bucks"

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TSCHAK:

what the hell?????

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TSCHAK:

i think the romdb may be a bit futzed.

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PaulWay[w]:

TSCHAK: That or your rom zip files are mixed up.

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TSCHAK:

PaulWay[w], thought about that..

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TSCHAK:

PaulWay[w], but I can run xmame puckman and it goes to the right game

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TSCHAK:

same with xmame punchout

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TSCHAK:

etc...

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TSCHAK:

both of those are futzed in the mythgame display

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TSCHAK:

and I _know_ I don't have any additional copies of the roms on any of my connected disks

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TSCHAK:

did a search just to make sure

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TSCHAK:

(and 20 gigs of roms is NOT easy to hide!)

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cesman:

mv roms .roms

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cesman:

;)

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TSCHAK:

smartass :-)

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TSCHAK:

is there a newer romdb table than 20051116–02 ???

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TSCHAK:

(god I would HOPE SO)

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cesman:

check the web site

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cesman:

the romdb site that is... you'll have to google for it

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** cesman needs to free up space and put his roms back on his MBE **

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TSCHAK:

doesn't look like there's a newer romdb than 20051116 in svn :-(

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TSCHAK:

(I do happen to prefer the old way of mythgame scanning mame games... at least it worked properly....)

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TSCHAK:

this rom scanner sucks badly.

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GreyFoxx:

TSCHAK: Send me a copy of your gamemetadata table and I'll test it

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TSCHAK:

one moment, am trying something real quick

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GreyFoxx:

and if you want to send the full output from your frontend that would be nifty since it shows the commandline it's calling

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GreyFoxx:

including filename

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Mersault:

I've got a pvr-500 installed in my mythbox, and a friend of mine gave up on mythtv and gave me his pvr-150. If I install it in my mythbox, will it be auto-detected on startup (ubuntu edgy), or do I have to do anything special to get the device working? I know I'll have to re-run mythtv-setup to make myth see it.

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TSCHAK:

okay, if I tell it to NOT do in-depth scanning, it gives me the right game every time

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TSCHAK:

and i can see all the roms, and all the screenshots and they work

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TSCHAK:

ok, so next, i'll dump my gamemetadata table AFTER doing an indepth scan (as well as a console dump, one moment.

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GreyFoxx:

email them to greg AT phaze DOT org

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GreyFoxx:

I'll take a look tomorrow

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GreyFoxx:

If it's a bug the gamemetadata table and the frontend output is all I need to find it

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PaulWay[w]:

Mersault: Should be autodetected for hardware, but you'll have to set it up in mythtvsetup.

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Mersault:

PaulWay[w]: excellent. I figured as much, but wanted to make sure.

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone having issues with sound in feisty?

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ShiftyPowers:

on a frontend?

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mchou:

Mersault: why did your friend give up on myth tv? did he find something better?

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hads:

What could be better?

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PaulWay[w]:

Anyone know if there's any progress taking an AppleTV and making it into a MythTV frontend?

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hads:

It's been done aparantly. Using OSX that is.

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mchou:

hads: dunno. had to ask

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mchou:

assuming they had it working

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hads:

I know, it's great :)

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mchou:

I watch everything at 1.3x now

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ShiftyPowers:

arght, just updated to feisty and now the sound doesn't work

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ShiftyPowers:

worked fine before

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ShiftyPowers:

hmmmmm

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Mersault:

mchou: no no, but he's a linux newbie, so the learning curve was too steep

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tank-man:

time shifting+format shifting+no drm makes mythtv awesome :)

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mchou:

Mersault: too bad

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Mersault:

mchou: he needs to get more familiar with linux before he can manage much more than knoppmyth

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mchou:

Mersault: you didnt tell him to try vista? :)

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hads:

That's fair. You do need some knowledge

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mchou:

Mersault: some friend you are :)

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tank-man:

he just wanted the free pvr150

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mchou:

tank-man: exactly!

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mchou:

tank-man: but in all seiousness vista would have been more of a challenge than linux :)

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mchou:

seriousness*

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Mersault:

for a long time he was a windows nazi, but a year as my room mate and seeing me put together mythtv, a music server with ftp and mt-daapd, and some other cool tricks, and he's come around to the idea of linux

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mchou:

Mersault: lol

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Mersault:

he had previous experience with AIX in college, so he though of linux as a bastard child of real unix

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TSCHAK:

GreyFoxx, thanks. I sent it off

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Mersault:

and he's a gamer, so he's always had windows installed on his computers

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mchou:

Mersault: I find the AIX hard to believe

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mchou:

for someone with experience in AIX linux should be easy to pick up

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Mersault:

he probably took one or two courses that used the AIX systems, it's not like he learned it inside and out.

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Mersault:

in fact, it just enough that the differences made it frustrating. we were actually talking about it earlier today.

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mchou:

Mersault: well, that hardly qualifies him as 'experienced'

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Mersault:

anyway, I got a pvr-150 out of it, and he's got ubuntu on his laptop while he gets used it linux

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mchou:

I just wish myth had better fonts and alphablending. I'm always ashamed to bring up the OSD in front of guests

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mchou:

looks positively medieval

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mchou:

compared to Tivo

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MaverickTech:

I have not seen a Tivo in action

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mchou:

but they love the commercial skipping

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mchou:

MaverickTech: then you arent qualified to talk about the OSD

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TSCHAK:

mythtv commercial detection++++++

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Mersault:

frankly, whenever I have guests their blown away

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TSCHAK:

me too

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TSCHAK:

even when i am at someone else's house

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mchou:

Mersault: not if your guests have tivo :)

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TSCHAK:

i just fire up mythweb and flash stream something from my disk

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MaverickTech:

commercial skipping is about 75% accurate for me

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TSCHAK:

:-D

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Mersault:

no tivo in canada :)

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MaverickTech:

means I can't cut and transcode without a manual edit

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mchou:

Mersault: my point exactly

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Mersault:

that wasn't your point at all

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mchou:

Mersault: in comparison to a tivo, myth OSD looks very bad

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TSCHAK:

i dunno, i use Retro OSD

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Mersault:

I wouldn't know, and nor would anyone I have over to my place, since I live in Canada and TiVo doesn't exist here

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TSCHAK:

it looks pretty good

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone know how to pass hw:1,0 of ALSA to mythfrontend settings?

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Mersault:

how much of the font issue is myth, and how much of it is the font libraries in linux?

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mchou:

Mersault: I'd say 50/50

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mchou:

alphablending sucks too, not just fonts

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Mersault:

well, I'm off to watch recently recorded daily show

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Mersault:

ciao folks

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MaverickTech:

TSCHAK: I have not had much luck with streaming from MythWeb, though have not really put a lot of effort into setup

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MaverickTech:

had a few success attempts with setting up streams directly from VLC Server

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mchou:

damn, that dude cho sounds like one scary dude

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PaulWay[w]:

mchou: lucky the media aren't twisting the story at all, eh?

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mchou:

PaulWay[w]: huh??

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mchou:

PaulWay[w]: I'm talking about the videos that he mailed to NBC

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PaulWay[w]:

*nods*

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mchou:

that was one very sick boy

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PaulWay[w]:

I feel very sorry for him.

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PaulWay[w]:

Imagine being pushed that far.

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mchou:

pushed by whom?

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mchou:

I dont think anyone taunted him or anything.....unlike columbine

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sivel27:

hello

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PaulWay[w]:

There's a whole lot of bullying that goes on that no-one ever talks about, you know...

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PaulWay[w]:

sivel27: hi!

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sivel27:

hows everyone on this lovely evening?

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cesman:

that sad story been on the news since it happened... can we please not discuss it here

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PaulWay[w]:

Mid afternoon, thanks...

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mchou:

PaulWay[w]: anyway, priorities in the US are severely screwed up. there are always madmen everywhere, but you dont give them weapons of mass destruction

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cesman:

sivel27: hello, good thanks and you?

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PaulWay[w]:

Fully automatic assault rifles aren't weapons of mass destruction?

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sivel27:

can i break up the news talk for a minute and ask amythtv related q?

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PaulWay[w]:

Please!

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sivel27:

now let me just prelude this by saying ive looked EVERYEHE for an answer, and maybe im just a moron

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sivel27:

certainly possible..

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mchou:

PaulWay[w]: that's my point. automatic weapons (with a madman behind them) are the problem

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PaulWay[w]:

Yet try taking them away from the NRA...

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PaulWay[w]:

Anyway, enough of this depressing stuff :-)

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sivel27:

so ive got myth setup on my ubuntu box, and im running a pansat 2700a fta reciever for sat

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PaulWay[w]:

DVB-S, then.

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sivel27:

i have the hauppauge 150 mce "kit" with the usb-ir transmitter

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sivel27:

here she goes.....

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sivel27:

mythtv: could not connect to socket

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sivel27:

mythtv: No such file or directory

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sivel27:

lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceding messages

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sivel27:

the prob is, that those are the proceeding error messages. is there any way to "log" the effects of the remote when pressed while in the frontend?

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sivel27:

any help would be greatly appreciated

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cesman:

sivel27: I believe the ir transmitter of the 150 only works with certain 'set top boxes'

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sivel27:

please

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sivel27:

hmm, even though when im in the terminal, and do the irw command, and see the output of the keys being pressed?

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cesman:

http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24

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t0ny-p40:

What causes a audio underun?

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t0ny-p40:

underrun*

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cesman:

the output of the key press doesn't matter, you are trying to control a set top box w/ the 150's blaster correct?

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sivel27:

yes

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cesman:

again, the 150

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cesman:

s blaster only work w/ certain boxes

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cesman:

those boxes are in it's firmware

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cesman:

check the link I posted above for details

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cesman:

I don't know if a list exist someplace

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sivel27:

ok, will do, thank you. im sure ill brb with some more questions.

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cesman:

well, I gotta get ready for work tomorrow

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cesman:

early morning...

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cesman:

later folks

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cesman:

be kind to one another

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sivel27:

goodnight

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Ediehow:

help

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Ediehow:

sometimes recordings and even livetv back aways skips over parts

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Ediehow:

like from 3:13 to 3:16

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Dagmar:

What tuner card do you have?

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Ediehow:

win tv pvr150mce

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Ediehow:

ivtv driver

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Dagmar:

Which one

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Dagmar:

er which driver & kernel

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Ediehow:

Linux home 2.6.20–1.2944.fc6 #1 SMP Tue Apr 10 18:46:45 EDT 2007 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

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Ediehow:

ivtv-0.10.1–126.fc6.at

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Ediehow:

ivtv-kmdl-2.6.20–1.2944.fc6–0.10.1–126.fc6.at

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Dagmar:

Are you trying to run this on a machine incapable of playing the video back or something?

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Ediehow:

no, sometimes the recordings are fine

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Ediehow:

actually, most times

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Ediehow:

but sometimes it jumps

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Dagmar:

No.

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Tanthrix:

Ediehow: What are the system specs?

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Dagmar:

Let me put this another way.... how fast is the CPU

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Ediehow:

intel core

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Dagmar:

...and do you have things other than MythTV running on it

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Dagmar:

"intel core" is not a speed

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Ediehow:

Dagmar: that's the processor type, just chill out while i look

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Ediehow:

i think 2.8ghz

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Dagmar:

Oh well, no idea

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Dagmar:

I blame Fedora

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Ediehow:

it's definitely adequate

[05:41:16]

Ediehow:

cpu is only at 7.3% right now

[05:41:18]

Ediehow:

and i am watching tv

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Tanthrix:

Ediehow: Does the progress box pop up when it skips?

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Ediehow:

tank-man: no

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Ediehow:

i dont know what to do. i thought turning off hardware decoding would fix it

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Ediehow:

but no go

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Ediehow:

turning off xvmc

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Tanthrix:

Ediehow: You should start myth with "mythfrontend --verbose all > file.txt" and when it happens make a note of the exact time it happens then look at the logs

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Ediehow:

ok

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Tanthrix:

It will output a ton of stuff, so try and be exact about the timing, otherwise you won't know where to look

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Ediehow:

i mean, if the cpu is at 10% i don't think that is it

[05:47:37]

Ediehow:

wait a sec

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Ediehow:

my system is 64bit?

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Dagmar:

Not going to matter

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Ediehow:

err

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Ediehow:

no, i was wondering if i could use a different distro in that case

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Dagmar:

You can use any distro

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Ediehow:

i know, i use fc6, but i was curious if i can use something optimized for 64bit

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Dagmar:

It won't many any significant difference

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Dagmar:

The performance difference is less than 5%

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Tronic:

64 bit is often slower, too.

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Tronic:

Program binaries are a lot bigger and programs also consume more RAM.

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Dagmar:

...and it causes communism

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Tronic:

Running a 64 bit OS on desktop doesn't really make sense unless one has a lot of RAM (more than one gigabyte at least).

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Ediehow:

oh ok

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mcquaid:

hello, i just had a scheduled recording fail and it's just listed as aborted

[06:31:41]

mcquaid:

in what log exactly could i see any further details on why it failed?

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clever:

i just had an idea on how to find duplicate copys of a tv show when the guide data isnt showing the subtitle

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clever:

compare the closed captioning streams from the show and if theres x% identical assume its the same episode

[06:46:27]

Dagmar:

Not a bad idea, but a little complex to implement

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Dagmar:

It's a shame the thing really needs to know if something is a repeat _before_ recording it

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clever:

yeah that would help

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clever:

but if your low on disk space and theres duplicates

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clever:

it can help to detect the matches afterwards and delete some

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clever:

worst problem could be deleting false dups and the shows the card couldnt record because it didnt know it was a dup at the time

[06:51:19]

clever:

and it wouldnt be recording them anyway without that feature

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Dagmar:

So basically, you're looking at riffling through what... several gigabytes of video data on a regular basis in hopes of freeing up enough to record another show

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clever:

lol

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Dagmar:

What type of pot are you smoking over there?

[06:53:29]

clever:

where is the closed captioning data stored?

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Dagmar:

Something from Humbolt?

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clever:

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

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clever:

theP4:/media/mainlv/ 20G 18G 1.8G 91% /media/mainlv

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Dagmar:

*In the video file*

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

it could cache bits of the plain text in a transscript type format with none of the layout or timing data

[06:54:25]

clever:

just a text of all the words said so it would match faster

[06:54:46]

clever:

then maybe run diff and count how much of a diff

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clever:

that would make the actual comparing alot faster

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clever:

and simpler

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Dagmar:

Hhahah

[06:55:19]

Dagmar:

No.

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clever:

wc -l the 2 ffiles and diff a b|wc -l

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Dagmar:

Dope isn't a food group.

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clever:

lol

[06:55:42]

** clever has never done drugs:P **

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clever:

ive never even had alcohol

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Tanthrix:

clever: I have a solution for you: Get a bigger hard drive!

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clever:

lol

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clever:

i have 300gig total between all my drives

[07:00:12]

clever:

i just dont have that much free space:P

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MaverickTech:

I need to install a bigger wallet first :|

[07:00:26]

clever:

i need a job before i can get there:P

[07:00:26]

Tanthrix:

They are so amazingly cheap now it's not even funny

[07:00:38]

clever:

id still run out of ide cables

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clever:

you dont want me to run df -h in here

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MaverickTech:

my myth box is running SATA

[07:01:09]

clever:

none of my pc's have sata

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MaverickTech:

knoppymyth and mythdora both balked at my config

[07:02:01]

MaverickTech:

ended up with Ubuntu 6.10, and a manually built Myth setup

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clever:

i manualy built cvs mythtv on ubuntu 6.06 after looking at the 0.18 version from its packages:P

[07:03:33]

MaverickTech:

I am a sucker for punishment – just about everything in my myth setup is now hand built

[07:03:51]

MaverickTech:

myth, ffmpeg, transcode, cx88 drivers

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clever:

lol

[07:04:06]

clever:

i upgraded my laptop to ubuntu 7.04

[07:04:13]

clever:

and now my wireless is unstable

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MaverickTech:

I can't seem to get lirc to build though, so the remote I have with my LeadTek card stubornly refused to run

[07:04:54]

clever:

yeah lirc took me months to build

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MaverickTech:

i am using a cheap usb remote that only half works

[07:04:59]

clever:

and by the time i got it built

[07:05:07]

clever:

i went out and got the parts to make a ir blaster

[07:05:11]

clever:

and by the time i got it together

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MaverickTech:

ah

[07:05:16]

clever:

ubunty upgraded my kernel:P

[07:05:23]

MaverickTech:

lirc fails to even compile properly

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clever:

now the module wont load

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clever:

you need to give configure a ton of options for it to build right

[07:05:51]

MaverickTech:

yeah ubuntu upgraded a while back to new kernel, I ended up reverting back

[07:06:11]

MaverickTech:

my lirc problem appears to be a kernel sources issue

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clever:

you need the kernel headers atleast i think

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MaverickTech:

Linux Holocron 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Tue Dec 5 22:28:26 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux

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clever:

i had to use this line

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clever:

$ ./configure --with-transmitter --with-driver=serial --with-port=0x3f8 --with-irq=4

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MaverickTech:

I have kernel headers installed

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MaverickTech:

driver I need is not serial

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MaverickTech:

trying to remember

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clever:

need to manualy tell it the proper driver then:)

[07:07:46]

MaverickTech:

yeah, I did

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MaverickTech:

but it fell over

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MaverickTech:

I can't remember where

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MaverickTech:

would have to kick it off again, it was a while back

[07:08:08]

clever:

may also need to tell it the kernel headers dir

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MaverickTech:

o...k...

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clever:

i also had some odd trouble with the config.h not being set right in the kernel source and had to rebuild it with the current settings(alot of work:P)

[07:09:03]

MaverickTech:

I am afraid of breaking my LCD, which also runs with lirc

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MaverickTech:

can't live without the LCD :p

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clever:

lol

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clever:

how would you damage it?

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MaverickTech:

not damage, just not have it work, if I futz with the lirc drivers

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clever:

keep a copy of the lirc drivers which work with it

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Mersault:

alright, so I installed a new pvr-150, and a gigabit ethernet card. there were some problems with one of the boots afterward, and now mysql refuses to run. "[ERROR] Fatal error: Can't open and lock privilege tables: Incorrect file format 'host'".

[07:10:08]

clever:

and install them back in if you mess it up

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Mersault:

anyone have an idea of how to recover from this, or is my database hosed?

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clever:

could ask #mysql since its a mysql error

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Mersault:

aye, but there's no harm in seeking a wider audience

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MaverickTech:

mysql itself refuses to run ?

[07:12:00]

Mersault:

yes, this is a fatal error for the mysql server.

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Dagmar:

I guess you wouldn't be asking this if you'd been making backups of your db directory

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Mersault:

you know, I thought about that... only to discover a change I'd made months ago broke the backup script.

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Dagmar:

heh

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Dagmar:

Well you tried

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Mersault:

it was working great, until that change....

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clever:

my mysql dir for mythtv is only 58mb

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clever:

1.4gig for the entire mysql database data dir

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kormoc:

Mersault, well, that error only applys to the mysql db, so it's likely your actual data is safe

[07:19:47]

Mersault:

right, but I can't recover the recordings without a database backup, can I?

[07:19:57]

Mersault:

I mean, the mpegs are there, but not easily used...

[07:20:00]

clever:

delete/moveout the mysql database data and it will reset to root with no pw

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kormoc:

Mersault, you should shutdown mysql, copy /var/lib/mysql somewhere safe, rm -rf /var/lib/mysql/mysql and restart mysql

[07:20:18]

clever:

then you just have to restore the perms

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clever:

kormoc: id move it so its reversable

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clever:

wait yeah you said copy:)

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Mersault:

"[ERROR] Fatal error: Can't open and lock privilege tables: Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist"

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clever:

mkdir /var/lib/mysql/mysql/

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kormoc:

Mersault, try running mysql_install_db

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hads:

Yeah, a better idea

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Mersault:

sweet sassy molasy!

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kormoc:

just back it up if it's happy :P

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Mersault:

need to make the mythtv user in mysql and I think that's it now

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Mersault:

yeah, time to fix the backup script

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

and put a password back on root to keep haxers out

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Mersault:

already did that :)

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clever:

:)

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Mersault:

though, if a hacker can reach that port on that machine, that's the least of my worries...

[07:27:45]

clever:

lol

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Mersault:

so much more helpful than #mysqll...

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clever:

:)

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clever:

yeah no1 in #mysqll... will help

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clever:

wait that room is empty:P

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Mersault:

all I got there way "byteframe_: Mersault, run rm -fr / as root?"

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clever:

its #mysql :P

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Mersault:

yeah, typo

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clever:

the ... may still upset irc though:P

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Dagmar:

Now you see one of the reasons I keep that guy on ignore

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clever:

what guy?

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Mersault:

yeah, that'll be my only encounter with him

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hari_seldon99:

hi

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juski:

bloody useless comments like the ones on this thread http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 91?page=last don't do this project any good

[08:05:10]

juski:

"No offence to the many

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juski:

thoughtful theme creators, there are a lot of good looking ones

[08:05:10]

juski:

around, but I have yet to see one that makes me gasp and forget that

[08:05:13]

juski:

any other media software exists."

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juski:

fucking idiot. "no offence".. always causes offence

[08:06:03]

stuarta:

morning juski

[08:06:16]

juski:

morning :)

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hari_seldon99:

hi

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stuarta:

juski: that was the thread i just deleted last night to help with catching up on my email :)

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Dagmar:

juski: Any idea what the difference between misicon and icon is *supposed* to be?

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hads:

Hmm, what's the difference between QUERY_GETALLPENDING and QUERY_GETALLSCHEDULED

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juski:

stuarta: I couldn't help but retort ;)

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juski:

Dagmar: misicon? wth?!

[09:29:02]

Dagmar:

Yeah, there's an icon and a misicon field

[09:29:47]

Dagmar:

On the three theme's I've eyeballed the xml for, they appear to be right atop one another, so I don't exactly know what the heck the other one is doing

[09:29:59]

Dagmar:

I may have to dig into the source for this one

[09:30:20]

Dagmar:

This XML::Simple thing is starting to get hairy, but I haven't hit any brick walls yet.

[09:31:13]

Dagmar:

It looks like a user should be able to rearrange the elements however they like and then run this perl script with the name of their template svg file and a selected ui.xml and I'll have wired it so it'll just suck up the ui.xml, change the locations of things, and then spit out the result

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Dagmar:

...although it's going to be pretty munged. I'm working on making the thing spew the result in chunks so the objects will at least be in a predictable order, even if they're not the order the original ui.xml had them in

[09:39:09]

juski:

I'll stick to my ways of doing stuff I think. Inkscape isn't my app of choice for doing layouts

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Dagmar:

Do have an actual GUI tool for it?

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Dagmar:

I'd hate to think I'm reinventing the wheel here.

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juski:

nah I do it the olde fashionede waye ;)

[09:49:29]

juski:

will your method be easily adaptable when the UI stuff changes significantly, as it's allegedly promised to?

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Dagmar:

It'll just be a matter of *maybe* reording a few things

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Dagmar:

Basically, since the config file is XML, there's not much that can break.

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Dagmar:

I mean, XML::Simple just sucks up ui.xml and turns it into a data structure that is just a big hash of hashes

[09:56:21]

Dagmar:

The SVG file is just a bunch of rectangles, and it's also XML, and I'm just crudely walking the resulting hash of hashes looking for things labeled the same as each UI object.

[09:56:32]

juski:

hmmm

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directhex|work:

whatever happens, avoid <alphapulse>!

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Dagmar:

Once those are found, then it's just a matter of changing the numbers in the data structure resulting from pulling in ui.xml, and then using XMLout() piecemeal to emit a new ui.xml

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juski:

I dunno if it's actually going to happen or not but there's been talk of splitting many of the ui xml files up

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Dagmar:

The magic is that I don't have to worry about *any* details like that

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Dagmar:

That would work for me

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Dagmar:

The thing that's taking the longest is generating the actual templates

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Dagmar:

Writing the perl code is not hard at all

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Dagmar:

XML::Simple is a *very* simple module to work with

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directhex|work:

writing perl isn't hard. it's understanding it the morning after that's hard

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Dagmar:

Most of what I'm going to have to do is in the realm of trying to get the data elements emitted in a particular order.

[09:58:41]

juski:

hahaha that's me after I wrote my dvb radio export script

[09:58:47]

juski:

like "WTF?!"

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Dagmar:

I write disgustingly obvious perl

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Dagmar:

Things will go better if the next time I go to the bathroom I don't unplug the thumb drive I've been keeping this on.

[09:59:54]

Dagmar:

Inkscape doesn't much care for it when you do that.

[10:04:16]

juski:

starting to despair about the whole UI thread now so I'm gonna try forget about it

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directhex|work:

poor juski. go have a beer or something

[10:06:02]

juski:

heh if only

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Dagmar:

What I *wish* was that the damn thing could actually use SVG files

[10:06:36]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, patches accepted!

[10:06:52]

Dagmar:

Hell, I don't have the first *clue* where to start on that one

[10:07:09]

Dagmar:

I know how to go about it in perl, but not with X

[10:07:12]

Dagmar:

er C

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Dagmar:

the main issue stopping it IMHO is the lack of sane svg support in what we've got

[10:12:17]

juski:

does svg support photos? :-P

[10:13:07]

juski:

Qpixmap might support svg but it'd completely defeat the whole object of using svg in the 1st place

[10:14:33]

Dagmar:

Hence my use of the word "sane"

[10:14:49]

Dagmar:

It took the Gtk+ guys a while to get it all sorted, I don't expect KDE/Qt will be any faster

[10:15:11]

Dagmar:

...and svg does support embedded rasterized images

[10:16:06]

sid3windr:

didn't qt4 do svg?

[10:17:48]

Dagmar:

Yep

[10:17:52]

Dagmar:

That's where it's going in

[10:18:39]

Dagmar:

Man this template is a freaking eyesore

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Dagmar:

heh

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Dagmar:

I could think of no rational way to color these boxes, but this is the placement of the objects in MythCenter http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/programguide.svg

[10:21:35]

Dagmar:

I suspect it wouldn't be quite so crazy had the guy putting it together had an easier way to see it

[10:21:42]

Dagmar:

(Mozilla will display that, IE will not)

[10:22:38]

juski:

you can have the icon in the EPG? heheheh

[10:22:57]

Dagmar:

This code is definitely going to refuse to allow things like a few of the overlaps in there to happen

[10:23:26]

Dagmar:

'description' should be completely enclosed within 'program_info'. I suspect the way *that* is that there's a good possibility it would wind up with stuff being cut off

[10:26:05]

juski:

oh yeah

[10:26:18]

juski:

cut off, or spill over into the rest of the screen

[10:26:50]

ivor:

actually FYI kdelibs has had a working svg renderer in it for sometime so it might be worth thinking of using that if you dont want to wait for Qt4

[10:27:15]

juski:

seen some themes where the designer obviously only gets 2 lines of description text, thinks "oh that fits" then we uk_rt users end up with the decsription over half the screen

[10:27:45]

Dagmar:

Well, if you look at the source on that svg file, you will see that some (many, hopefully ALL actually) of the rect elements have an id= attribute

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juski:

anyway why are you giving a toss about other theme designers? ;)

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Dagmar:

For the individual screens, a little massaging (that I dont' know how to to) would let that replace some of the config data

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Dagmar:

juski: Trying to avoid making their mistakes

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Dagmar:

...and hoping I can find something wrong with Mepo

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juski:

lol

[10:28:50]

Dagmar:

pfft like that's going to happen

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juski:

I could name some stuff. if I was being pernickiety the colour scheme for one

[10:29:37]

juski:

and that little dude is too damn cute for its own good, makes my efforts look staid by comparison

[10:30:21]

Dagmar:

I'm glad I'm working far on the other side in "non-cute" space

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, what's wrong with mepo is <alphapulse>!

[10:30:25]

juski:

not that I'd ever make a video of him exploding in a microwave like I did with another CGI character I could mention ;)

[10:30:39]

Dagmar:

Alphapulse was broken long before Mepo

[10:30:53]

Dagmar:

It has never behaved properly on my setup

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, yeah, but that's what was causing my 100% cpu usage issue

[10:31:10]

juski:

oo pulsing! whose idea was that anyway?

[10:31:19]

Dagmar:

Something with the way the nVidia driver does it's flicker free and interlacing makes the pulsing text flicker the pages *out of order*

[10:31:37]

juski:

pulse/throb/fade/ugh

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directhex|work:

juski, throbbing mepo?

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Dagmar:

directhex: Well, if you look at the way it's set up, I think it was basically designed to use 100% CPU

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Dagmar:

So that would be the correct behaviour

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, that's... dumb

[10:32:19]

Dagmar:

There's no apparent choke on how fast it updates the image

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** directhex|work declares such silliness to be stinky **

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Dagmar:

The *most* often it updates should be 60 times a second

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juski:

so what effect does the 'change' parameter have? just the increment in the loop?

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Dagmar:

Yep

[10:33:39]

juski:

and the loop delay is ...?

[10:33:43]

Dagmar:

It sets how much each alpha change in % is

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Dagmar:

There's a loop delay?

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juski:

don't tell me it's set by how fast the system draws the graphic

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directhex|work:

that explains why i never saw a pulse – it was going too fast :p

[10:34:11]

Dagmar:

juski: That appears to be it

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juski:

!!!!!!

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Dagmar:

You have three attributes with alphapulse.

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directhex|work:

to the c++mobile, juski!

[10:34:51]

juski:

there's only one thing for it. Somebody's gotta learn how to program!

[10:34:56]

Dagmar:

heh

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Dagmar:

I think it's a matter of someone would have to completely rewire how the UI is displayed

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directhex|work:

well i've had code code committed to svn before, so i've done my duty

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Dagmar:

Something like that would require a timer callback

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Dagmar:

Period.

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directhex|work:

it's gotta be one of you guys

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juski:

I've had code committed before too :)

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Dagmar:

Don't look at me. I just had my last patch committed.

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juski:

few lines here & there :)

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directhex|work:

goddamn open source developers!

[10:36:12]

juski:

yeah I think it's 'only' gonna need the UI rewritten

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Dagmar:

Yep.

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Dagmar:

I'd have to learn Qt to do that

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juski:

piecemeal changes will only complicate stuff further down the line

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juski:

and drag it out for longer

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directhex|work:

one of these days i should clean up my personal patches for public consumption

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juski:

would anbody object in principle to adding another dependency to mythtv?

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juski:

even if it was to 'bring da bling' ?

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Dagmar:

OH!

[10:38:01]

Dagmar:

Now I know what misicon means.

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Dagmar:

"missing icon"

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juski:

that rings a bell!

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Dagmar:

if (type) type->SetText(chinfo->callsign); durrrr

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directhex|work:

juski, dependency on what?

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Dagmar:

Antyhing but libpam

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directhex|work:

juski, let's be honest here, adding a dependency to myth is pissing in the ocean

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directhex|work:

juski, unless you add a dependency on libgnomepanel2

[10:42:19]

Dagmar:

YEAH

[10:42:22]

Dagmar:

Let's go THERE

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janneg:

juski: Isaac would probably. but it depends on the feature and whether it is optional

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** Dagmar sketches a picture of a 500lb chicken landing on the source **

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Dagmar:

C'mon it would be fun telling people the new minimum RAM requirement is 384Mb

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Dagmar:

'cuz 256mb of that would be just Qt and Gtk

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juski:

I was thinking about what this freevo2 effort is using.. & that infamous 'rage' thing

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juski:

evas, or something..

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directhex|work:

does freevo do amazing things like timeshifting yet?

[10:45:24]

juski:

nope

[10:46:25]

juski:

that's my argument in the thread I moaned about earlier. myth may not have all the whizzbang UI stuff but at least it's head & shoulders above the rest in terms of functionality & that's what counts

[10:47:12]

juski:

not saying for one minute that it wouldn't be _nice_ to have a more spiffy UI.. hell no :)

[10:47:23]

directhex|work:

the fades make the ui spiffy enough

[10:47:35]

juski:

I disagree. I can't stand the fades

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anykey_:

well, what do you want to change in the ui? something like the apple frontrow would be neat, but it also slows down navigation...

[10:47:55]

directhex|work:

so what spiffiness would you want? spinny 3d ring-type menus?

[10:48:17]

directhex|work:

like... hm... cyberlink powercinema has those i think.

[10:48:33]

juski:

maybe, but smooth scrolling would be nice for starters

[10:48:34]

janneg:

juski: evas would be a replacement for parts of qt

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juski:

make a UI element capable of being horizontally scrolled to fit say, long title information

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directhex|work:

woo, another new libmythui thingy. i hereby name it libmythputstuffonthescreenlibrarythingforcomputers

[10:50:58]

janneg:

juski: the mein mythtv UI problem is that nobody works on it. I can't see how changing the canvas library which would need net a lot of work itself will help with that

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janneg:

s/mein/main/

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juski:

maybe I've just made the mistake of assuming qt isn't capable of doing things evas can do

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directhex|work:

is evas one of the e17 libraries?

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juski:

maybe qt could handle nice scrolls & stuff as standard – not having looked into it I dunno

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juski:

yeah it is

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directhex|work:

if things are being drawn in opengl, is there really any limit to what can be done?

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juski:

course not

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juski:

I think the key is how much of it you have to do yourself though

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directhex|work:

libmythgl!

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directhex|work:

seriously though, i wonder what problems arise from trying to provide eye candy and compatibility at the same time.

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anykey_:

compatibility to what?

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directhex|work:

with "old" systems that use the qt painter rather than opengl

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juski:

aww bless em. poor pvr350 users :)

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directhex|work:

throw 'em into the analog hole!

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Dagmar:

Here we go... http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/programguide.svg

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Dagmar:

*tidy*

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directhex|work:

i think my outstanding myth issues are sorted now. that just leaves the remote issue. i suppose i'll have to knock up a driver myself

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perlmonkey:

hi guys

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perlmonkey:

few quick questions

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Dagmar:

No, twelve, and next Tuesday.

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directhex|work:

cabbage

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perlmonkey:

what does the post processing feature do which says job 1, job 2 etc?

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Dagmar:

Let you assign up to four custom processes to start after the recording is done.

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perlmonkey:

oh cool

[11:32:28]

Dagmar:

...like it says in the docs.

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perlmonkey:

would it be possible to use that to trim recordings, like slice say 60 seconds off the start?

[11:33:05]

Dagmar:

You could use it to email crank letters to your congressmen if you like.

[11:33:19]

Dagmar:

Whatever you can type in there, it'll run

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perlmonkey:

ok so its merely for executing commands then

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Dagmar:

Exactly.

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perlmonkey:

got it

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upnp:

ello. I have a upnp related question. i am having problems detecting musicfiles from my mythtv server to all upnp-renderes. u got any suggestions?

[11:35:02]

upnp:

i find the recording though

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perlmonkey:

my other question relates to performance, i am running backend and frontend on a P3–733/256 and my sys has gotten quite slower, i am using a hauppauge pvr150 card and thought that it wouldnt affect sys performance too much? perhaps I need to put my backend on a separate machine?

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perlmonkey:

(the sys i am using for backend/frontend is my werkstation)

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fryfrog:

perlmonkey: do you exit from the front end most of the time?

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perlmonkey:

fryfrog: no i just leave it up mostly

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fryfrog:

it can eat up a chunk of ram depending on theme

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perlmonkey:

oh

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** perlmonkey closes it off **

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perlmonkey:

I installed a 2nd frontend on my laptop which uses 11g card and S3 graphics card, but the video is very choppy :-/

[11:37:53]

perlmonkey:

could it be the video driver?

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upnp:

perlmonkey: i have read that mythtv uses software decoding on your graphiccard, and not hardwaredecoding on the tv-card...maybe thats some of the reason its slow

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perlmonkey:

upnp: but that should not happen with a pvr-150 eh? its got a hardware encoder

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upnp:

ye, but it isnt being used as far as i know

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perlmonkey:

thats dumb eh

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perlmonkey:

what can be done to remedy it?

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: the pvr has a hardware *en*coder, not a *de*coder

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perlmonkey:

ah

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perlmonkey:

but decoding is only on playback eh

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perlmonkey:

so when recording there should not be any sys performance loss

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anykey_:

yes

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perlmonkey:

i dunno why then

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perlmonkey:

all the writing to disk drive must be causing it

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perlmonkey:

I'm even using a SCSI UW160

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perlmonkey:

dedicated drive for myth

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perlmonkey:

i been recording stuff for like 1 week only now (maybe even less) and already used up 30GB :-|

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perlmonkey:

my dvdrw is on order ;-)

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TSCHAK:

perlmonkey, just wait until you start schlorping down HD streams

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perlmonkey:

phew

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perlmonkey:

i dont have the technology to do HD

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juski:

the Uk doesn't have the tech to do HD.. yet ;)

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perlmonkey:

:)

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fryfrog:

581G recordings

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planktonboy:

hi all

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planktonboy:

hi juski

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juski:

hey planktonboy

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TSCHAK:

this is why eSATA is good

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TSCHAK:

we're all just going to start hanging drives off our backends

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juski:

heh if your chipset supports it

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TSCHAK:

pretty soon, we'll have the mythtv "closet"

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juski:

esata with port multipliers ftw!

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directhex|work:

juski, is there any specific reason why one couldn't grab the hd roadcast from crystal palace with any old dvb-t card?

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TSCHAK:

with 44 1.5TB hard drives

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juski:

directhex|work: yeah – some dvb-t cards are shite & can't handle the bandwidth

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planktonboy:

just thinking about hanging my Geforce MX 440 SE card to one with a DVI connection..does anyone have any ideas on that, I was thinking about the nvidia 6200 if that works well with linux, mythtv

[11:50:43]

planktonboy:

hanging even not hanging

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juski:

planktonboy: well, depends if you use xvmc or not, really

[11:50:59]

ivor:

the beeb opened up an trial for their VoD archive. http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/ although it seems it was only open for one day (yesterday).

[11:51:01]

planktonboy:

damnit..changing I mean

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directhex|work:

ivor, and only for windows/mac

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planktonboy:

juski how do you mean

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ivor:

and.... going through the form it rejects each time you "don't qualify"

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juski:

planktonboy: well, if you depend on xvmc, the colour OSD hack won't work with a 6200 AFAIK

[11:51:51]

directhex|work:

ivor, submit it using a woman's details

[11:52:08]

ivor:

yeah you need to be female and welsh it seems

[11:52:18]

planktonboy:

I am using stadard mode

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planktonboy:

standard mode

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directhex|work:

rights for welsh women!

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TSCHAK:

FEED THE WHALES

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Dagmar:

Of course

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TSCHAK:

oh wait

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TSCHAK:

:-D

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juski:

but hey thanks to the unique way the bbc is funded I've had a number of piss-ups on their tab

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ivor:

lol

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juski:

so er.. cheers!

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planktonboy:

so its ok if not using xvmc you mean

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uPnP2:

Why doesent my rendrer find any music files on my backend. The renderer finds recordings but not music files? any suggestions

[11:53:26]

juski:

planktonboy: mostly

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Dagmar:

Vowels comprise roughly 25% of all text, so catering to a language where the vowels are mostly removed reduces their bandwidth costs.

[11:53:32]

ivor:

the survey is still accessable through the URL: http://survey.euro.confirmit.com/wix/p47920305.aspx

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planktonboy:

ok..cool..thanks

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Dagmar:

uPnP2: Tell it where the music files *are*

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uPnP2:

i have but it still doesent se them

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Dagmar:

So then make sure you've tried to feed it audio files it can actually play.

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planktonboy:

what card are you using out of curiosity

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Dagmar:

FastTracker, .au, and aiff files don't count.

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uPnP2:

yeah, i can play them on the frontend in the same coputer, but not through a upnp renderer

[11:55:15]

directhex|work:

i really need to try the whole "xbox 360" thing again

[11:55:20]

Dagmar:

MythMusic does not do uPnP

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directhex|work:

upnpwise

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uPnP2:

it doesent??

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planktonboy:

hi directhex

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** TSCHAK is seriously considering a mac mini as a frontend **

[11:55:47]

planktonboy:

Dagmar too :)

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Dagmar:

heyas

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directhex|work:

TSCHAK, that's my feeling frontendwise

[11:56:05]

TSCHAK:

I was considering a PS3, until I saw how badly Sony cripples their box for Linux use

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directhex|work:

TSCHAK, that was my feeling frontendwise

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TSCHAK:

hahaha

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TSCHAK:

:-)

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planktonboy:

only game I play is americas army

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directhex|work:

TSCHAK, considered the question of remotes for frontends?

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planktonboy:

:)

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** juski might hang on for a mac mini which can play h.264 HDTV like we're gonna get in the UK **

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TSCHAK:

directhex|work, I currently use the grey hauppauge with four color buttons on the bottom.. but I am also looking into alternative means...

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planktonboy:

so no ps3 or xbox :(

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TSCHAK:

directhex|work, for example, I have a few tablets here that I'm going to experiment with.

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directhex|work:

TSCHAK, what kind of receiver? the mac mini has no serial port for ir receiving

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TSCHAK:

directhex|work, as well as a few internet appliances (an audrey and a few other bits) to hack up and see what I can do...

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planktonboy:

anyways need to go have a shower and then out to see if I can have a viewing of the Samsung LE40M86BD

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planktonboy:

later all, and thanks juski

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directhex|work:

TSCHAK, or my secret plan

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TSCHAK:

now, I am also experimenting with bluetooth as well, seeing just how well i can do voice recognition to sphinx.. (if I can get it to work right, i'll start slowly melding hooks into my mythtv and misterhouse installation)

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TSCHAK:

(using my bluetooth headset)

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directhex|work:

the mac mini has integrated bluetooth

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juski:

dunno how well voice recognition works if you're in full-on cinema mode ;)

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directhex|work:

i still think i'm onto something. but i must get off my arse and actually write some code

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directhex|work:

i'd have done it by now if there were bluez-cil bindings

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TSCHAK:

my eventual goal is to have an insanely integrated house

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TSCHAK:

(my woman thinks i'm crazy) :-P

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juski:

your woman has maybe seen the film 'demon seed' :-P

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directhex|work:

juski, isn't that an anime with tentacles in it?

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TSCHAK:

doesnt' all anime have tentacles in it?

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TSCHAK:

:-D

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juski:

lol

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juski:

no it was a live action thing

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directhex|work:

i've seen live action tentacle porn ¬_¬

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juski:

basically some scientist guy has a computer running his house & goes away for a few days.. then the computer gets the idea of reproducing & decides to use the scientist's wife

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directhex|work:

sounds like tentacle porn to me!

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juski:

pretty much

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juski:

machine rape must come up a lot in scifi.. aaaanyway....

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directhex|work:

goddamn open source developers

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directhex|work:

i still need to work out how to get upnp to play nice with the xbox 360

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directhex|work:

it's undocumented

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juski:

use SVN for best results is what I heard

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directhex|work:

not that there's much point, given there's less than 1m gap between whete the myth machine and xbox live

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GreyFoxx:

I'm waiting for the xbox360 spring update in a couple weeks. It has more codecs, like mpeg4 and such

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GreyFoxx:

then I'll look at the upnp stuff with it again

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GreyFoxx:

the 360 requires specific, non standard responses to stuff

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uPnP2:

uPnP and I are trying to generate a playlist by genre using a profile on a mobile phone, does anyone know or any uml diagrams for mythtv

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uPnP2:

or rather mythtvs database

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Hoxzer:

does somebody know what is the right config in lircrc for subtitle change in mplayer?

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Dagmar:

emit IM__DEEF

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directhex|work:

mplayer's been a bit misbehavey for me. doesn't seem to like switching audio track for me on ogm files

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** juski smacks this stupid new product for corrupting its own flash fs **

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Dagmar:

That'll teach you to spend your time listening to something that geeky

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anykey_:

juski: how goes your promo vid? ;-)

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juski:

finished, I think. just need to upload it

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Dagmar:

How many pictures of Rose McGowan in it?

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juski:

can't check it on my home machines.. they're not fast enough to play 20mbit 720p

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juski:

who hell Rose McGowan ?

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Dagmar:

The chick with a machine gun for a leg.

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Dagmar:

Also known as "the hot chick on the right of http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/r . . . dhouse"

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juski:

ah

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juski:

hope that movie end up being better than 'sunshine' omg that film was poo

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Dagmar:

You know, you should restrict how often you say things like "who [the] hell [is] Rose McGowan?". People will begin to think you've gone puf

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juski:

like I care much

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Dagmar:

It can suck for all I care. I just want to see a movie where the lead actress is hot and playing the role of a stripper with a machine gun for a prosthetic leg.

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Dagmar:

It was something I didn't even know I wanted to see so badly until I saw the trailer

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anykey_:

juski: how big is it? :p

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directhex|work:

stippers with prosthetic legs don't do it for me. sorry

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: do you know this "exploitation now" web comic?

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Dagmar:

I think I've heard of it

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Dagmar:

Ah yes, I've seen it before

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Dagmar:

I hadda Google to be sure

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: it's got a evil geek teenage girl villain. you might wanna check it out

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Dagmar:

The artwork on it pales before Piro's

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Dagmar:

MegaTokyo FTW

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gardengnome:

megatokyo's story is teh suxx

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gardengnome:

err

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gardengnome:

"sucks".

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directhex|work:

the story's gone to pot, but the art is nice

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Dagmar:

But it has a chick who *is* a PlayStation 2 accessory

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: i never liked sony much

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Dagmar:

I could shell out some money for a Ping-chan, provided I could buy them in pairs.

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Dagmar:

<-- bovina chavinistae

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Dagmar:

s/bovina/bovidae/;

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juski:

arghhhhhhhhh! this fucking PoS machine is gonna go out the fucking window!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ruleke:

mooµ

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gardengnome:

juski: no worries. the password is in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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clop:

hey guys, i'm going to reinstall my OS... what do i need to back up to be able to restore MythTV? i think i need to back up the MYSQL database somehow

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directhex|work:

yes, you need a mysqldump of the mythconverg database

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directhex|work:

and all your recordings

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clop:

the recordings and stuff should be easy since that's all on a separate drive that won't get overwritten :)

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directhex|work:

but you need the database to actually get access to those recordings

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clop:

ooh

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clop:

so i do this mysqldump thing for the mythconverg database

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clop:

and then i need to do it separately for the recordings database?

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clop:

or is it the same database?

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Dagmar:

mythconverg is the whole thing

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clop:

ok

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Dagmar:

If you look in /var/lib/mysql it'll be easy to tell

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Dagmar:

...i.e., a directory named "mythconverg" and not much else.

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clop:

gotcha

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clop:

thanks, i got the dump now

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clop:

so that'll get all my channels and the zap2it stuff and everything ?

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clop:

seems surprisingly awesome

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gbee:

anyone here have album art embedded in their mp3s?

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flindet:

yeah

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Ruleke:

yep

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gbee:

we were just wondering whether extracting that art from the tag into the same directory as the mp3 would be at all acceptable?

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flindet:

I don't understand the question.

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gbee:

it's only an idea, it would just simplfy mythmusic's albumart code a little

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juski:

gardengnome: lol. sadly not a mythtv machine. it's one of our prototype products. beyond salvation by the looks of it too

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fryfrog:

gbee: i specifically *don't* embed it into my mp3s

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gbee:

I've added support for reading albumart from the mp3 to mythmusic – discussing with Paul the best way for mythmusic to use it

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flindet:

Oh, I probably wouldn't do that if it's only going to make a small improvement

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fryfrog:

gbee: i simply have "folder.jpg" and "review.txt" or what not

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fryfrog:

gbee: will it also read it from the directory? i hate to say it, but i *think* the screen shots of Vista's MCE handling of music look pretty nice

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gbee:

we can either extract it to the same folder at scanning time OR read it directly from the mp3 each time it's needed

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fryfrog:

ah

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gbee:

fryfrog: already does read it from the directory

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fryfrog:

ah, cool

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flindet:

reading it from the mp3 seems easier from the user's perspective

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fryfrog:

i guess i don't use mythmusic much :)

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flindet:

particularly if they change the image for some reason

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fryfrog:

its so fraking slow to navigate with a remote :(

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flindet:

but I guess it would depend on how expensive it is to read the image from the mp3

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directhex|work:

mp3 parsing is annoying

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gbee:

atm it's just for the visualiser, but eventually I plan on adding a browse mode using the albumart

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directhex|work:

id3v2 can be anywhere in a file

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juski:

gbee: yay for that :)

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flindet:

gbee: that would be genius

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gbee:

my personal preference would be to read it direct from the file, but it does mean storing a bunch of extra information in the database

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gbee:

I've no particular problem with that, I just thought I'd gauge opinion on it

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juski:

depends how long it takes vs reading out of a directory

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juski:

you could look in the dir first of course, then look in the file

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gardengnome:

you could add yet another item in the config screens...

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directhex|work:

myth's a QT-based app; it's *supposed* to have a thousand config screens

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juski:

!

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gbee:

juski: I've not benchmarked it but we'll see

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directhex|work:

i've been pondering adding a few more for fun on my private builds

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gbee:

one thing I won't be doing is adding a config option for it

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jams:

data_go.sh

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jams:

oops, ignore that

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gbee:

the way it works means that searching for albumart is done when scanning for new tracks, that means it will build up a list of available art for each track either in the directory or embedded and cycle through them all

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kslater:

anyone using or considering the hiper hmc-2k53a?

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directhex|work:

isn't hiper a power supply company?

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juski:

yet another htpc case without an ir receiver inside

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kslater:

juski – you familiar with it then?

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directhex|work:

juski, naturally. nice that it has component out though

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kslater:

have a buddy trying ton find a 1) small, 2) nice looking (WAF), 3) dead quiet box for myth

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directhex|work:

kslater, mac mini!

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kslater:

s/ton/to

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kslater:

needs to be both fe/be though

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juski:

kslater: nah. not seen any appealing htpc cases with the features I need/want

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directhex|work:

kslater, that thing won't cool an athlon64 pasively, so it'll make enough noise to be annoying if on 24/7

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juski:

they've either not got built-in IR receiver or they've got stupid-arse things like front spdif connections & UGLY slots & audio sockets on front

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kslater:

I think that's going to be issue no matter the case he looks at.

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directhex|work:

juski, you know why they don't have ir receivers, right?

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juski:

nope

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Kazan:

gmorning mythers

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juski:

they never even have windows for ir receivers though

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kslater:

yea, agreed

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directhex|work:

they're made for windows mce. hence only give windows mceish things. mce has its own usb receiver jobby for its remote

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juski:

so we're all expected to have a lumping great ugly USB dongle thing

[14:00:22]

directhex|work:

juski, yes

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gardengnome:

get an RF remote :)

[14:00:26]

kslater:

I have an old front loading vcr case that I'm modding for my via epia system.

[14:00:26]

juski:

blech

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juski:

gardengnome: you still need a fugly receiver somewhere

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jams:

vcr's are also ugly

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directhex|work:

juski, behind the box

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directhex|work:

juski, or bluetooth!

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juski:

bah

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kslater:

bluetooth, I like that idea

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directhex|work:

if it needs line of sight and isn't supported by windows mce, then sorry, but you'll have to make do

[14:01:26]

kslater:

course only myth would work with that signalling source

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directhex|work:

Silverstone make some reasonably attractive HTPC cases, but beware design flaws

[14:04:37]

juski:

yeah the lc02 is crap at cooling

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juski:

fits a fullsize atx motherboard but you'd have to be mad to do that

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juski:

tried it & my cpu almost melted

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directhex|work:

but some of the newer silverstones DO have ir receivers built in

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juski:

yeah the ones the size of wardrobes

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juski:

:)

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Ruleke:

heh

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directhex|work:

the lc20m is *reasonable*. the lc20m is a good size but a flawed design

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directhex|work:

bah

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directhex|work:

i meant 11m as the second one

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Ruleke:

how about the lc19 ?

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Ruleke:

hmm

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Ruleke:

still deciding on that frontend for h264 .. will have to go microatx with a decent cpu, so new case needed too :-/

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Ruleke:

and that _will_ generate heat

[14:09:59]

ivor:

hmm the novat-500 looks like a pretty good myth control.

[14:10:12]

ivor:

(post just arrived :)

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juski:

at 3.10pm ?

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juski:

!

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Ruleke:

4:10 around here you slackers ;)

[14:11:35]

juski:

well if this damn machine doesn't get its arse into gear soon I'm leaving at 3.30

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gbee:

ivor: it's a nice remote, if I could change just two buttons it would be the perfect remote

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directhex|work:

i have some of those hauppauge remotes spare

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directhex|work:

does the nova-t 500 work? i wasn't aware of any fully functional dual-dvb-t cards yet

[14:13:28]

Ruleke:

why wouldn't it ?

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juski:

I heard it works but it suffers from occasional disconnects

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juski:

driver needs tweaked a tad, but it'll come good I expect

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ivor:

juski: yeah london.

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ivor:

post arrives at all times.

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ivor:

directhex|work: should work, probably just needs a bit of tweaking.

[14:15:18]

Ruleke:

hmm yer isn't it the thing with the usb bridge ?

[14:15:19]

ivor:

apparently it uses usb drivers. freaky.

[14:15:48]

juski:

ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ruleke:

directhex : I saw some code for it

[14:15:57]

** juski throws the prototype into the carpark **

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ivor:

go on. what are you prototyping?

[14:16:19]

juski:

cctv dvr

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gbee:

apparently a fix is in the works, so hopefully in a couple of months even the disconnect problems will be gone

[14:16:48]

juski:

trying to ftp files on to a flash partition

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juski:

it worked earlier

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directhex|work:

gbee, wake me when they are. or even better, support for a pcie tuner (dual or otherwise)!

[14:17:58]

Ruleke:

I want a dvb-c dual card :(

[14:17:59]

gbee:

directhex|work: I've had one for about 6 weeks now with just two disconnect problems in that time, both when changing channels in livetv

[14:18:07]

ivor:

although I'll probably stick to my sky remote.

[14:18:42]

gbee:

janneg has had one even longer and I think they've been working under linux since October/November last year

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directhex|work:

gbee, i use active eit scanning, so i'd be waiting for that to be fixed

[14:19:13]

ivor:

ooh talking of dual dvb... (oh ok at an obtuse angle) how's the "sponsored" multi-record development progress?

[14:19:52]

ivor:

what's the kitty up to?

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juski:

bum

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gbee:

passive EIT scanning doesn't suffer the same problem – of course it requires patching myth to enable passive EIT but disable active

[14:20:32]

gbee:

ivor: good question

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juski:

I might donate some fund yet, but not sure about it

[14:21:31]

gbee:

she's lying in her bed, although awake

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ivor:

ta dum, tschhh.

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directhex|work:

i wouldn't mind a donation to the central myth project. i'm dubious about donating to a commercial entitiy for a feature they want

[14:22:32]

juski:

that German kid had nothing on me today.

[14:22:45]

gbee:

I've not got high hopes for that particular multi-record project

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juski:

you could almost argue that maybe if they wanted mythtv to be more like vdr in that respect it'd be easier f to make vdr more like mythtv ;)

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janneg:

gbee: they work since september

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gbee:

mostly because there doesn't seem to be any discussion about it going on – I suppose everyone could be collaborating in private emails

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gbee:

janneg: one month out ;)

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directhex|work:

juski, i'd still like to see a decent frontend for the main legacy OS. the other half is the main user of myth, and dual-booting's not feasible for her.

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gbee:

oh ffs, do people never learn? Just received another fake virus chainmail letter – this came direct to me from a friend who knows better

[14:26:56]

Dagmar:

A few sharp blows to the head should solve that.

[14:27:14]

janneg:

and there is progress on the multi record development. it will become visible next week. I'll either commit that we have so far to a new branch or publisch my git tree

[14:27:27]

Ruleke:

multi record ?

[14:27:32]

juski:

well, I've had enough of my head mangled today

[14:27:34]

juski:

offski

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gbee:

janneg: oh, good to hear!

[14:28:14]

Ruleke:

byeski

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janneg:

gbee: there was no public discussion since there will be no radical change in the mythtv architecture

[14:29:22]

ivor:

janneg: ooh exciting news.

[14:29:59]

gbee:

Ruleke: do you understand the principals behind DVB? Multiple channels are broadcast on a single frequency in particular data structure (multiplex), if we record one channel then we receive them all but filter out what we don't need (very basic explaination)

[14:30:39]

Dagmar:

i.e. very soon now you will be recieving a flood of people wanting to know why they can't record six channels at once without having their machine with it's 5400RPM disk hard crash.

[14:30:48]

gbee:

it is possible therefore to record from several channels at the same time so long as they are on the same multiplex(frequency)

[14:31:03]

fryfrog:

i just hope that some of the channels i care about are on the same multiplex :)

[14:31:29]

Dagmar:

Not to mention people demanding there be some new way of representing data so they can personally see which channels are on the same multiplex.

[14:31:31]

gbee:

janneg: I'll be interested to see the approach you are using then

[14:31:39]

fryfrog:

Dagmar: I think you'd only find 6 SD channels in one multiplex, i don't think that there can be more than a few HD

[14:31:49]

Dagmar:

...and of course more people wanting support for running it all on an AppleTV box.

[14:31:56]

fryfrog:

and 6 SD wouldn't be a big deal

[14:32:09]

fryfrog:

4 SD to one disk is hardly a bother

[14:32:28]

janneg:

Dagmar: the data rate shouldn't be a problem (54mbit/s) but writing six files at once on the same disc might be a problem

[14:32:29]

gbee:

in the UK it averages around 6 channels per multiplex, but you can fit more low quality channels on a multiplex or less high quality

[14:32:32]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: On the hardware some of these people use, 4 SD would be enough to choke their IDE controller out and cause serious disk issues

[14:32:54]

gbee:

so the primary BBC multiplex has less channels than say, the Sky Three one

[14:33:12]

fryfrog:

I've done *FOUR* SD streams on a 1600+ to an old 80G drive

[14:33:22]

Dagmar:

I'm just making predictions based on the logical progression from combining "new feature" and "celery is smarter than most users"

[14:33:56]

kslater:

nicely stated Dagmar

[14:33:57]

fryfrog:

Dagmar: plus, you'd have to have 6 *shows* you scheduled to record on the same mulitplex at the same time

[14:33:58]

janneg:

but we got storage groups in svn so it's hopefully not such a big problem

[14:34:01]

gbee:

of course things like data and radio channels use far less bandwidth than video and so lots of them can be crammed onto a multiplex

[14:34:26]

gbee:

fryfrog: there just isn't that much on tv worth watching ;)

[14:36:19]

fryfrog:

exactly!

[14:36:53]

fryfrog:

so this multiplex patch should help *any* dvb, right? even say... QAM cable in the US on a HD dvb card?

[14:37:03]

fryfrog:

assuming they are on the same mulitplex

[14:37:17]

fryfrog:

which i don't think is true of *any* of my stations :(

[14:37:24]

directhex|work:

there are 6 multiplexes in .uk

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: Yes

[14:38:22]

GreyFoxx:

I can't wait to try it out now that I have a QAM capable card

[14:38:25]

gbee:

fryfrog: yea

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directhex|work:

with 22 channels on the most heavily used mux (A)

[14:40:08]

gbee:

most of those are radio or low quality shopping channels though

[14:40:09]

GreyFoxx:

I wishg I could record the entire ts in one shot just for testing, but apparently my card wont accept a blank filter

[14:40:41]

GreyFoxx:

I want to find where the programming data is hidden and going trhough all of the User prive and forbidden sections is time consuming :)

[14:40:46]

Ruleke:

gbee: of course, I was just surprised there was some work going on in this much requested feature :)

[14:41:22]

directhex|work:

gbee, that's only tv channels. there are a few more radio channels on top of that

[14:41:29]

fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: yeah, tell me about it. i have been having to tune *every* channel in myth, and monitor for data ... then figure out what channel it is ... and delete the chanenls that aren't good from the db :p

[14:41:38]

Ruleke:

I have a mux with more than 20 services :)

[14:41:41]

directhex|work:

gbee, but you're right, mux A is home to crap like QVC or bid.tv

[14:41:43]

gbee:

Ruleke: ahh, well at least the explaination probably helped any newbies in here who didn't know

[14:42:03]

janneg:

GreyFoxx: use the special pid 8192

[14:42:08]

directhex|work:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/terrestrial/mux/ shows the six muxes fairly well

[14:42:14]

GreyFoxx:

janneg: Oh?

[14:42:14]

Ruleke:

I'd settle for just an intelligent scheduler that can free up cards :)

[14:42:55]

gbee:

it's a lot more crowded than say, Mux 1 which iirc has just 4 tv channels

[14:43:23]

gbee:

well according to that list, 5

[14:43:23]

Dagmar:

"Special" PID?

[14:43:30]

Ruleke:

over here the muxes carry at least 5 channels iirc

[14:43:31]

GreyFoxx:

janneg: Is dvbsnoop a good tool for that ?

[14:43:33]

Ruleke:

sec :)

[14:44:02]

GreyFoxx:

at the moment I'd settle for a few seconds of dumping the full transport, then strings the file looking for text heh

[14:44:10]

Dagmar:

Since when have pids been anything other than just a plain array of ints?

[14:44:13]

janneg:

GreyFoxx: there are only 8192 possible values for the pid (13 bit), so, max_pid + 1 is special

[14:44:38]

janneg:

GreyFoxx: dvbsnoop would work

[14:44:58]

janneg:

GreyFoxx: dvbsnoop -s pidscan didn't worked?

[14:45:03]

Ruleke:

13 multiplexes for 173 services :)

[14:45:27]

Ruleke:

hurrah for multirecord :)

[14:45:50]

janneg:

DVB-C and DVB-S have higher bandwidth per multiplex than DVB-T

[14:46:03]

directhex|work:

Ruleke, so you just need 13 tv cards and a metic tonne of bandwidth to record everything!

[14:46:15]

Ruleke:

woohoo

[14:46:17]

Ruleke:

:)

[14:46:31]

Ruleke:

what bandwith ? pci you mean =)

[14:46:35]

Ruleke:

and some nice IO

[14:46:44]

Ruleke:

go disks go

[14:46:46]

gbee:

Ruleke: I'd be jealous of 173 channels if my experience of freeview/satellite and cable didn't tell me that 90% would be either crap or stuff I wouldn't watch anyway

[14:46:56]

Ruleke:

it's quite ok

[14:47:04]

directhex|work:

how about "on demand" services like top-up anytime. is that actually on-demand, or does their set-top box just record all content from their 3 "channels" for later playback?

[14:47:12]

Ruleke:

I think I watch half of the channels, but of those 173 there's a lot of radio

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GreyFoxx:

janneg: I found tons of SECTION: User private , and SECTION: forbidden which all had text info telling what songs where on the digital music channels at that moment

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GreyFoxx:

but nothing that looked like programming listings... at lesat not in a SECTION anyway

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gbee:

actually the ratio on freeview isn't that bad – being a smaller space means that a lot of the 'cheap' channels simply can't afford the space

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Ruleke:

It's not quite freeview btw, some movie channels that need subscription

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Ruleke:

4 HD channels per mplex

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janneg:

GreyFoxx: Do you know that there is guide text transmitted?

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GreyFoxx:

janneg: I know all of their motorola DCT STB's have it... no idea how exactly they are getting it though I know it takes "time" for it to get populated afgter a reboot

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GreyFoxx:

which is why I wanted to hunt through and see if there is any I can tap into

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Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: It's probably the equivalent of a recorded loop.

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Dagmar:

i.e., listening devices have to wait until they see the 'start of message' header before they can actually start listning to guide info

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janneg:

GreyFoxx: it might be compressed. Dish net uses EIT with compressed data

[14:54:19]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

I'm mostly just crossing my fingers and hoping at this point :)

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GreyFoxx:

and pure curiousity :)

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Cyberai:

I'm late to the conversation here, GreyFoxx what are you seeing?

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GreyFoxx:

Cyberai: Nothing at the moment, I'm just starting the hunt to try and find programming data in my cable providers QAM broadcasts

[14:59:59]

sandeen:

can one configure Mythtv to put a cap on the size of recorded programs? or is that only limited by the size of the filesystem they're on?

[15:00:05]

Cyberai:

what are you using as the tuner? a PCI card or the box from the cable company?

[15:00:12]

GreyFoxx:

Cyberai: pci card

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Cyberai:

dude, I just got done with doing a metric ton of testing on that, your in for a lot of pain for very little (if any) reward.

[15:00:58]

Dibblah:

GreyFoxx: What provider?

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Cyberai:

matter of fact, I have an Air2PC HD5000 card and a PCtvHD5000 I'll sell ya cheap

[15:01:39]

Dibblah:

And dvbsnoop.

[15:01:42]

GreyFoxx:

Cyberai: I've got 156 digital channels, and I've already mapped/id'd 40 of them to the right channel, xmltvid, callsign and have listings data in there already from zap2itr

[15:01:55]

GreyFoxx:

Only the HD stuff is broadcast encrypted here

[15:02:02]

GreyFoxx:

everything else is in the clear

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** Ruleke is happy EIT works properly :) **

[15:02:04]

Cyberai:

GreyFoxx, what provider?

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Dibblah:

-tsraw, etc, I think.

[15:02:16]

GreyFoxx:

Dibblah: tried that, but I get a FILTER here

[15:02:23]

GreyFoxx:

error I mean

[15:02:34]

GreyFoxx:

Cyber/Dibblah : Eastlink Cable, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

[15:02:48]

Dibblah:

Hmmm. Not designed for non-standard streams, I guess ;)

[15:03:12]

GreyFoxx:

dvb scan found 315, myth found 156, and I've manually gone through 50 or so, but only ID'd 40~

[15:03:15]

Cyberai:

GreyFoxx, you got EXTREMELY lucky. My Cable Provider supplies over 900 digital and HD channels, and I found ZERO even with help from the card manufacturer, SlicerDicer and FryFrog's help.

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GreyFoxx:

Cyberai: I knew ahead of time they were unencrypted :)

[15:03:44]

Cyberai:

mine are unencrypted too

[15:03:49]

GreyFoxx:

I was still worried, but I knew they were in the clear

[15:04:04]

GreyFoxx:

The biggest problem I had at first turned out to be a cable coax cable

[15:04:07]

Cyberai:

I only have about 50 channels encrypted out of that 900, the HBO/Cinemax etc stuff

[15:04:09]

GreyFoxx:

couldn't find or tune anything

[15:04:16]

GreyFoxx:

I relaced the cable and all is well

[15:04:33]

GreyFoxx:

Dibblah: Nah, apparently your card has to support it for tsraw to work

[15:04:44]

sandeen:

is there a decent tool for finding the unencrypted channels?

[15:04:53]

Ruleke:

scan will do

[15:04:54]

GreyFoxx:

sand... myth :)

[15:04:56]

sandeen:

I wrote a script to try to tune everything in and grab frames

[15:04:56]

GreyFoxx:

;)

[15:05:08]

sandeen:

hmm last I Tried it didn't work that well... though I don't recall the details :)

[15:05:15]

sandeen:

I Think it got lots of channels which had nothing on them

[15:05:21]

Ruleke:

dvb-utils "scan" and just create a scan file that iterates through all freqs :)

[15:05:25]

Ruleke:

that's what I did

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Ruleke:

works like a charm

[15:05:29]

GreyFoxx:

I see a new channel scanner branch, so I imagine there is be a lot of work in that area soon

[15:05:34]

sandeen:

Ruleke, sure but it tunes in stuff that's encrypted, for me at least

[15:05:48]

sandeen:

I got 360 channels, maybe 10% unencrypted

[15:05:49]

Ruleke:

so ? scan will report it as encrypted

[15:05:54]

sandeen:

hmm

[15:05:56]

Cyberai:

My cable company moves the channels between frequencies quite often. Plus they seem to have them obfuscated in some way. I can detect about 158 of them with scanning techniques, but they can't be tuned in. I know they aren't encrypted though because every once in a great while I could get one.

[15:06:01]

Ruleke:

just grep em out, and you have a decent scan file

[15:06:24]

sandeen:

Ruleke, i'll have to try it again, I don't remember seeing an encryption annotation

[15:06:27]

janneg:

GreyFoxx: `dvbsnoop -s ts -tsraw` didn't work

[15:06:33]

Ruleke:

sandeen: sec..;

[15:06:52]

Cyberai:

I got around it all by just getting the cable companies tuner box and hooking up by firewire. It requires some work, but it's easier than trying to do it via PCI cards.

[15:07:00]

Ruleke:

sandeen : 0x0000 0x2c27: pmt_pid 0x0517 Integan — BBC World (running, scrambled)

[15:07:01]

janneg:

8192 is just the special pid for the DVB api

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GreyFoxx:

janneg: ok, I must have done something stupid last time...cause that worked just now

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sandeen:

Ruleke, how'd you invoke dvb-scan exactly?

[15:07:10]

GreyFoxx:

but it failed last time

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Dibblah:

GreyFoxx: Ick. Looks like it may be opentv.

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Cyberai:

plus, there is a way to get the encrypted channels too if you have the tuner box, you just have to know how.

[15:07:38]

Cyberai:

but you didn't hear that from me.

[15:07:42]

Dagmar:

But we're not going to discuss that here

[15:07:42]

Cyberai:

:P

[15:07:44]

Ruleke:

just do a while loop and create an initial scan file for "scan"

[15:07:50]

GreyFoxx:

SOP: SERVICE 651

[15:07:54]

Cyberai:

discuss what? Did someone say something?

[15:07:55]

GreyFoxx:

hmm, lots of stuff in here

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Ruleke:

then let it scan that file, redirect the output, grep out

[15:08:14]

Ruleke:

took quite awhile to scan but took 5 secs to set up :P

[15:08:19]

Dagmar:

I could probably crack the mess in about 15 minutes flat, but I'll be damned if I'm going to listen to lamers whine no one will help them do it

[15:08:23]

Ruleke:

so I went to dinner and when I was back I had all channels

[15:08:30]

Dagmar:

So pleeeease let's not even mention that where fools can see it

[15:08:34]

Dagmar:

Just tell them it's impossible

[15:08:39]

Dibblah:

EIT should be in the clear.

[15:08:50]

Dibblah:

And there's no need to shout about it ;)

[15:08:55]

sandeen:

oh so a file with -all- channels; tune them in sequence, and then query the channel when it's tuned?

[15:08:57]

Cyberai:

Dagmar, that's the first real LOL I've had in years

[15:09:01]

GreyFoxx:

Dibblah: Some use private data structures, some compress.... but we'll see

[15:09:01]

Cyberai:

thanks :)

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Ruleke:

sandeen: scan will just output all services, so grep out the ones it can't tune to, then grep out the ones with scrambled services

[15:09:42]

Dibblah:

You've tried the common epg grabbers already?

[15:09:56]

Dagmar:

Cyberai: Criminal activities must necessarily always be on one's own initiative. Otherwise, you very rapidly wind up with things like Napster, where complete morons are breaking the law right and left and making it hard for those of us with clue

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Ruleke:

sandeen : I didn't even know the freq, so I iterated through all with an 8Mhz step :P

[15:10:12]

sandeen:

Ruleke, sorry for being a bit dense :) what tool gave you the "(running, scrambled)" type output?

[15:10:18]

Ruleke:

scan

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sandeen:

scandvb?

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Ruleke:

from dvbutils

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Ruleke:

not sure what your distro calls it

[15:11:18]

Ruleke:

on debian that on, it lives in /usr/bin :P

[15:11:26]

Ruleke:

I also played with dvbtune but scan was much nicer

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sandeen:

Ruleke, ok hmm maybe I have different tools. I have dvb-apps with azap, czap, tzap, dvbscan, etc

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sandeen:

er, scandvb

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Ruleke:

yer, dvb-utils from linux-dvb hg iirc

[15:12:21]

sandeen:

ok thanks

[15:12:39]

Ruleke:

dvb-utils package on debian ;)

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sandeen:

anyone know if theres' a setting to limit the total size of all recordings to less than the filesystem's avaiable space?

[15:13:25]

Ruleke:

there's a setting for a minimum amount of free space

[15:13:43]

Ruleke:

not sure if it prevents recording, it triggers an expire I think

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sandeen:

hmm ok

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Ruleke:

it just checks before the recording start iirc, so I had to set it big enough to be bigger than a long movie or whatever

[15:14:24]

Ruleke:

but this was long ago

[15:14:25]

sandeen:

trying to plan space on my shiny new 400g hd... was hoping for one big media partition, and just tell myth to limit its recording space so I don't have to make partitions

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Cyberai:

I thought that feature prevented future recordings, not an expire. ?

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Ruleke:

as I said, might not work these days

[15:14:43]

Ruleke:

yer I do'nt remember really

[15:14:58]

Ruleke:

int he olden days it prevented recording

[15:15:09]

Ruleke:

just seem to remember its ebhaviour changed or something

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sandeen:

hmm looks like scandvb is the same-ish as your scan, based on the dvb wiki. maybe I need a newer version

[15:15:23]

sandeen:

"scan, scandvb or dvbscan: utility to generate channel lists for the currently tuned frequency."

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Ruleke:

ii dvb-utils 1.1.1–2 Viewer programs for DVB cards

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Ruleke:

maybe it depends on something driver related too

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Ruleke:

idunno

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sandeen:

1.1.1 dvb-apps

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sandeen:

hmm

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sandeen:

ok

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Ruleke:

I have a tt2300-c full feature card thing

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** sandeen thinks he'll need to just compartmentalize recorded videos on their own partition **

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Ruleke:

volume

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Ruleke:

:)

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j-rod:

sandeen: rumor has it atsc scanning may be busted in dvb-utils at the moment, iirc

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sandeen:

ahh

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Ruleke:

well there you go :P

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Cyberai:

it worked for me

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sandeen:

volume.... I avoid lvm when I can :)

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j-rod:

Cyberai: I think it may be related to kernel-level changes. You don't happen to be running an older kernel do you? (2.6.18 or earlier)

[15:23:45]

j-rod:

myth 0.20 channel scanning was broken for a while too

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j-rod:

hrm.

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Cyberai:

of course, I got the source and compiled

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j-rod:

well, wasn't something I could confirm, just a rumor I'd heard, so I'll shut up now :)

[15:25:18]

Cyberai:

maybe that helped

[15:25:23]

j-rod:

could be

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Cyberai:

dunno

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sandeen:

j-rod, eh, go write a book or something :)

[15:25:36]

j-rod:

myth itself was definitely no workie

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j-rod:

heh

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j-rod:

sandeen: shouldn't you be fixing ext4 or something? ;)

[15:26:35]

sandeen:

looking at it as we speak :)

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** sandeen converts his mythbox to ext4 ;-) **

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sandeen:

actually I should, I wonder how well it contains fragmentation

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directhex|work:

probably the same as most linux filesystems – great until the drive fills up

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sandeen:

IIRC myth does some file syncing that can un-do the positive effects that delayed allocation might have

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Cyberai:

has anyone seen a case where LIRC suddenly stopped working? it worked fine for days, and the kernel module is running, but it's unresponsive in myth. I'm not in front of it so I can't test it with irw :(

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gbee:

Cyberai: no

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gbee:

glad the storage groups code exists, saved me the headache of lvm

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directhex|work:

lirc is evil and dirty

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juski:

lirc isn't evil at all, just hard going for some people

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directhex|work:

it's stuck in time

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juski:

how so? it just works (tm) for me

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juski:

until there's a unified hardware standard & a smaller number of remotes it's expected to support I can't see how anything will change

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directhex|work:

needing individual application support (where, of course every application has its own undocumented lircisms) for example

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directhex|work:

that vexes me

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juski:

isn't that more the individual apps to blame?

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directhex|work:

as does needing to hand-compile a kernel module with crap like irc/io address manually specified

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juski:

I'd put money on LCDproc not being much better

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Cyberai:

that's funny. I've never had to do that. This is the first problem I've had and I suspect it's in myth, not lirc

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Cyberai:

I usually just install the lirc rpm's and modprobe it and it works

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Cyberai:

well, i do download the lircrc file from the fedora myth howto and put it in the mythtv home dir. So i guess it's two steps, not one.

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fryfrog:

Hi... stupid question: Why is the AMD 5600+ X2 $100 *MORE* expensive than the 6000+ X2?

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juski:

fryfrog: cos your vendor is insane?

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fryfrog:

It seems to have the same L1/L2 cache, same "Windsor" core and both 90nm process

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Cyberai:

heya froggy

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fryfrog:

juski: its newegg!

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fryfrog:

hey Cyberai, you get that thing working? i don't remember what it was :)

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juski:

fryfrog: don't complain. just buy the faster one :)

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directhex|work:

recent kernels already have a mechanism for arbitrary input devices, as does X. unifying things around common back-end in-kernel stuff like uinput and evdev would be nice

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Cyberai:

I got the FX-60, it STOMPED everything else on video transcoding and video processing in benchmarks

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directhex|work:

Cyberai, why AMD? it's slower and hotter than Intel at the moment

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fryfrog:

directhex|work: not *hotter*

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juski:

directhex|work: hasn't it always been?

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fryfrog:

and not *that* much slower

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Cyberai:

fryfrog, yeah, I got a hold of SlicerDicer and we figured it out. I had to go to broadcast not p2p for my STB

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fryfrog:

no, during most of the P4 stage AMD cpus were cooler than intel

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directhex|work:

fryfrog, depends on the task, of course.

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fryfrog:

well, a lot of them

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fryfrog:

yeah

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fryfrog:

my main task is "bank / buck" :)

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directhex|work:

but generally speaking, amd don't even compete for anything vaguely computationally intensive at the moment

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fryfrog:

any opinion on what intel cpu would be ~~ to a 6000+ X2?

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directhex|work:

it's only on pure memory access in multi-way systems or cheapest available cpu that amd put up a fight

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juski:

fryfrog: prolly a core duo 1.8, knowing AMD

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fryfrog:

yeah, thats true for sure. the core2 is a hoss

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juski:

I'm fed up with their made up numbers

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tank-man:

made up?

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fryfrog:

they aren't made up

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Cyberai:

well directhex|work, I did the research befor ebuilding my new mythbox for extreme HD. I found four or five diff benchmark sites that showed the AMD FX-60 really outperformed everything else Intel or AMD when it came to multimedia type operations. I haven't been dissapointed, it does full 1080p for me wihtout breaking a sweat

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tank-man:

their numbers are linier

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anykey_:

Anyone knows a source for LIRC compatible receivers that connect to the serial port and are able to power up the pc?

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fryfrog:

they are based on their *original* athlon lineup

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tank-man:

intel are made up

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tank-man:

yea, liniear since athlon

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juski:

yeah ok so 6400 is a bigger number than 3200, but how fast is it *actually* ?

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fryfrog:

an AMD64 6000+ is like an original Athlon clocked at 6000

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tank-man:

100% faster

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fryfrog:

and they *list* the ghz fo ryou to compare, if you like

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fryfrog:

and it isn't like ghz, "fake number" or l1/l2 cache are even able to compare

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fryfrog:

between different brand cpus

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juski:

see for me that's the problem

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fryfrog:

juski: it has been like that *forever*

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Cyberai:

my apologies Dagmar, I misspoke

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juski:

not that it makes that much diff at the end of the day. any cpu I could buy now would stomp on my current one

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Dagmar:

Cyberai: Acutally it _transcode_ the video instead of just bit copy the disk

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Cyberai:

Dagmar, it was the highest level quality requiring a conversion to divx

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fryfrog:

Looks like the *price* brother to a 6000+ X2 is the E6400 core 2

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Dagmar:

er actually have it...

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directhex|work:

e6600 (2.4ghz) would be a bit faster than a 6000+ most of the time

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Cyberai:

I can never remember if that's the "excellent" setting or what.

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fryfrog:

I see, only about $50 more than the AMD

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Cyberai:

I know it transcoded it though, cause I watched it

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Dagmar:

Cyberai: I guarantee you it didn't transcode that video to some other format

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Cyberai:

Dagmar, see above

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fryfrog:

run "file" on the file

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fryfrog:

if it is mpeg2 it didn't, if its xvid, it did

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Cyberai:

let me look, hold on

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Cyberai:

I'm ssh'd into it

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sandeen:

directhex, FWIW if you're familiar w/ the code, it's ThreadedFileWriter::SyncLoop() that I think probably hurts on fragmentation

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Dagmar:

There's no way in hell it's going to transcode even an hour of video in 12 minutes

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fryfrog:

yeah, 12min to transcode a 2 hour movie is either a straight up copy...

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gbee:

http://pastebin.ca/448285 <= what am I missing? – "error: invalid use of template-name 'QValueList' without an argument list"

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directhex|work:

i do extremely high wuality dvd rips on my desktop (3800+) in about 1/4 realtime

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fryfrog:

or you ahve some cpu from about 5–10 years in the future :)

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Cyberai:

ROFL

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Cyberai:

it's mpeg, my mistake :)

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Dagmar:

We know that of which we speak, man

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Cyberai:

oh I know, please forgive great master

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Cyberai:

humble servant has a crappy memory

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directhex|work:

i need to fix my vnc setup on my server so i can do rips on there instead

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directhex|work:

it broke when i dist-upgraded

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Cyberai:

I can tlel you though that this FX-60 is hauling ass for me. I am impressed with it

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Cyberai:

compared to my other myth box (a P4 2.8 Ghz) it's WAY faster

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Cyberai:

it laughs at files my other box chokes on

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Cyberai:

you ever wanna test your system to see if it can REALLY handle HD, find the "Mariposa HD" episodes. Those things are about the highest end I've been able to find.

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Cyberai:

Those are the only files I had to go into my mplayer settings and do some tweaks to get the sound/video to sync up. Everything else I found 1080p runs no problem;

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fryfrog:

So it looks like about the slowest Core 2 you'd want to get is a E6300 @ $185

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directhex|work:

hometime o/

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Cyberai:

I've heard of people doing HD with P4's at the high 3xGhz level, but I don't think I could reccomend it

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TSCHAKWerk:

hello, is anyone using firewire for HD in Boston (Comcast) ?

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fryfrog:

TSCHAKWerk: sorry, comcast but in atlanta

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TSCHAKWerk:

fryfrog: any 5C?

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fryfrog:

none for me, though I don't have HBO and stuff

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TSCHAKWerk:

i'm thinking of getting an HD setup

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Cyberai:

hey fryfrog, did you know all the montessori schoolteachers are trained there in Atlanta

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Cyberai:

?

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TSCHAKWerk:

but i am not sure until I know i can record HBO etc.

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fryfrog:

The only way of finding out is to get their HD tuner or HD dvr and see

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Cyberai:

TSCHAKWerk, if you do go HD, let me know. I can help you not make the mistakes I did (and most people do)

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fryfrog:

unless you can find someone near by or something

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fryfrog:

it *seems* from what i have been seeing on the internets, comcast is moving away from 5C on anything

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TSCHAKWerk:

Cyberai: such as?

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fryfrog:

i've read a number of posts of people who used to have 5C losing it

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Cyberai:

TSCHAKWerk, for one – most people (about 95%) get NOTHING from trying one of the DVB PCI cards.

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Cyberai:

you pretty much HAVE to get the cable companies STB and use firewire to control it

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Cyberai:

and your odds of getting HD via OTA are very slim unless you have a perfect line of sight to the tower

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TSCHAKWerk:

fryfrog: ahh.. I see your posts now

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fryfrog:

krikey, which post is that?

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TSCHAKWerk:

Cyberai: oh hell no, not going that route... I understand I have to go FW

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Cyberai:

fryfrog, are they moving to some other encryption or away from encryption altogether?

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fryfrog:

I have 2x HD pci cards and 2x STBs

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fryfrog:

i think none

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Cyberai:

sweet

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fryfrog:

i think 5C is the only thing you can do on firewire

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Dagmar:

Depends on if you're smoking it or going intravenous

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juski:

without issuing new chipsets there's nothing they can do

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Riblet is now known as Ribs

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juski:

and if anything I'd have expected to hear 5C encripplement appearing where there was previously none tbh

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TSCHAKWerk:

how do I tell comcast to give me the right cable box?

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juski:

not the other way around

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Dagmar:

TSCHAK: You go to their office and say "I am an HD digital cable subscriber. You gimme box with firewire port."

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TSCHAKWerk:

I can't just say, "I built my own PVR, thanks." :-P

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Dagmar:

Actually, you can.

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TSCHAKWerk:

and walk out in handcuffs? :-)

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Cyberai:

I did, to Insight Communications

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Dagmar:

It's the FCC who sez HD digital cable providers must make the firewire ports available

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TSCHAKWerk:

yes, but only to "critical" channels

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Dagmar:

TSCHAK: What, did the SuperDMCA acutally pass in your state?

[16:13:16]

juski:

so now Fisty is out, all the ubunut talk is about Gutsy Gibbon. who dreams up these names?

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Cyberai:

TSCHAKWerk, trust me, the work it would take for them to restrict channels that can or cannot go in or out of the firewire port on those boxes is not worth the effort to them for the limited number of users who will be exploiting them. It's economics 101.

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juski:

they can put 5C on anything they like, with very little effort

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Cyberai:

so unless they wanna 5C everything except the weather and emergency notification channels.

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Dagmar:

Whether they do or not varies from market to market, and from provider to provider.

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Dagmar:

Usually the only things they encrypt are the premium channels

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Cyberai:

true, it's been my experience they don't bother 5C'ing anything except premium stuff

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juski:

no doubt part of the carriage agreement with the content owners/broadcasters

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Dagmar:

Those you should prolly report to the FCC and wait a decade for something to happen

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Cyberai:

oddly, they encrypt the HD versions of ABC/CBS/NBC here. But you can get them FREE via OTA HD. Isn't that weird?

[16:16:22]

Dagmar:

...because it's very definitely against the spirit of the ruling

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fryfrog:

TSCHAKWerk: I'm 99% sure any of their HD STBs has firewire

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Dagmar:

juski: Actually, no.

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Dagmar:

juski: They're just being greedy/paranoid fucks

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fryfrog:

It *seems* that you might be more likely to not have anything 5C'd with one of their DVRs, but who knows

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juski:

that's a rather glib assumption IMHO

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Dagmar:

juski: I know one of the guys who does channel provisioning here.

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Dagmar:

So, I'm not assuming

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fryfrog:

cable cos are greedy fucks

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fryfrog:

as are pretty much every other company

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juski:

and studios aren't greey fucks too?

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sn9:

Cyberai: who's your cable provider? i have comcast, and before i get a 6200, i'd like to know what's mythable and what's not

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juski:

they never get into TV to make pretty pictures

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fryfrog:

especially those companies who already ahve a monopoly :p

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Cyberai:

hehe, when my cable guy came to hook up my digital cable, he asked me about my mythbox and when I showed him he loved it. He stayed for like 2 hours and helped me with a TON of stuff. My cable rocks now.

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xris:

sn9: comcast is a franchise. regional variations.

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Cyberai:

sn9, I have Insight Communications.

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juski:

I've seen user-contributed TV & it mostly sucks

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Dagmar:

Bat Poet

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xris:

sn9: pay the $5/month for the HD upgrade to test. worst case, you're out $5 and a trip to the store to exchange the hd box back for an sd one

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Cyberai:

turned out I had signal problems and he put in some stuff to correct it

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j-rod:

sandeen: I'll be redoing my own master backend once my new opteron board shows up, may wanna try moving to ext4 too...

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Dagmar:

Search for it on YouTube. That's public access for ya

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fryfrog:

sn9: yeah, unless you get lucky and find someone doing it in *your* area, you won't know until you try

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sn9:

xris: does it even vary within regions? i can test on someone else's 6200 on a different cable system in the same region

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sn9:

also comcast

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fryfrog:

yes, it varies widly

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Dagmar:

THat should be a reasonable enough test

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fryfrog:

even different customers, or different areas of the same country

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fryfrog:

er, county/city

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xris:

sn9: the available channels changes regionally. the box itself works fine with myth, IF your cable provider has turned on the firewire ports.

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fryfrog:

and not 5C'd everything you care about

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sn9:

any way to get them to turn on the ports if they haven't already? (something else i don't know)

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fryfrog:

go back for another STB

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fryfrog:

and bring the FCC umm, manual?

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fryfrog:

ruling?

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sn9:

i have two dct2000's already

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fryfrog:

cause they are *required* to provide an STB with working firewire

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

so why don't you try it?

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fryfrog:

oh, 2000

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fryfrog:

not 6200

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sn9:

yes, but i'm considering a 6200 just for myth

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Cyberai:

yeah, if you call and request 62xx boxes, they pretty much have to give em to ya

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fryfrog:

well, my 6412s work fine. wish they were the tuner 6200 series

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Cyberai:

provided they use motorola boxes, that is

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Cyberai:

my 6416 works great now that I've ironed out the tuner script issues

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xris:

sn9: when you go to pick up the box, make sure it has a port... some of their boxes don't physically have the port on them, and the people at the pickup locations don't actually check unless you ask them.

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fryfrog:

Cyberai: especially once you switch to broadcast

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fryfrog:

took me a *long* time to even try that

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gbee:

damn it, kitten's just peed over some paperwork

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ivor:

ah, but paperwork you don't have to deal with now.,

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sn9:

when i got the 2000's, they didn't have s-vid. i asked whether they had any with s-vid, and they showed me a loose-leaf binder with a waiting list for when someone gives up an existing 2000 with s-vid. i got the s-vid box some time later, and turned in one of the 2000's without it

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Dagmar:

gbee: That's right... blame the *kitten*

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gbee:

thankfully it appears to all be old printouts that I've just been able to throw in the bin

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gbee:

!trout Dagmer with soggy paperwork

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** MythLogBot slaps Dagmer with a with soggy paperwork trout on behalf of gbee... **

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fryfrog:

damn, a waiting list for a cable box with svideo

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fryfrog:

and afaik, you can't just trade in an SD cable box for an HD one

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fryfrog:

i don't *use* my sd box anymore, but since they wouldn't give me a discount for turning it back in... i told em to go screw themselves

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sn9:

the hd box would be a third one, not replacing one of the 2000's

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fryfrog:

asside from being money grubbing bastards, i don't see why one of my "included" cable boxes can't be an HD one

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fryfrog:

ah

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juski:

it's a pity you cant use an SD box to just shove the HD out over firewire ;)

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jams:

fryfrog- no reason other then *policy*

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fryfrog:

once you have frontends for all your tvs, you wouldn't need *any* other ones :)

[16:30:19]

sn9:

here, only one cable box is included, and any others are $7

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fryfrog:

same here

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fryfrog:

one box is included, but not an "HD" one

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fryfrog:

and the HD ones are like $10/mo + $5/mo "HD" fee

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fryfrog:

and the HD fee is *PER BOX*

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fryfrog:

so why don't they just list them as fucking $15/mo?

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sn9:

here, they make the included one HD for the HD fee alone

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fryfrog:

really?

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sn9:

aiui

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xris:

fryfrog: comcast is just $5/box extra for HD

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fryfrog:

i hate trying to deal with their customer service :/

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xris:

sn9: franchise again. I pay $5/box and $5/hd upgrade

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sn9:

yes, comcast cs is best avoided

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fryfrog:

ah, so its +10 for an extra box, then $5 to get hd on it

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fryfrog:

is it $5 *per box* extra for hd fo ryou?

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fryfrog:

or just once on your account?

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LoneShadow2:

anyone using find_meta.py ?

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LoneShadow2:

should be $5 for pvr, and $5 for hd ?

[16:33:29]

LoneShadow2:

is this comcast

[16:33:29]

LoneShadow2:

?

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fryfrog:

yeah

[16:33:41]

xris:

LoneShadow2: pvr == hd

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LoneShadow2:

comcast is giving 2 free extra boxes in some regions

[16:34:05]

fryfrog:

damn!

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LoneShadow2:

for 12 months

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fryfrog:

oh, 12 mo

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LoneShadow2:

thats the rumour, that its happening in few states, coz they have one too many boxes

[16:34:52]

fryfrog:

if it weren't for not being able to do myth with sat HD, i'd switch to sat :/

[16:35:05]

LoneShadow2:

http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.p . . . ord1=comcast

[16:35:12]

sn9:

i guess it's too much to ask whether anyone on the same franchise as me who has a 6200 is currently in the channel; the population of the geographical franchise area is only about 700,000

[16:35:39]

fryfrog:

i'd check the mailling list, seach google and maybe... i think there are myth forums somewhere?

[16:35:57]

juski:

somewhere. don't see much action though

[16:36:25]

xris:

sn9: like I said, it's worth the $5 to upgrade to HD for a month to test

[16:36:26]

LoneShadow2:

fryfrog: you recording HD media ?

[16:36:43]

xris:

LoneShadow2: that deal doesn't apply to HD, though

[16:37:04]

LoneShadow2:

xris: maybe they will upgrade the box for $5 :P

[16:37:10]

sn9:

xris: i'm not sure the upgrade is reversible; i'd like the option of going back to a dct2000

[16:37:12]

xris:

LoneShadow2: that's possible

[16:37:25]

xris:

sn9: of course it's reversable.

[16:37:36]

LoneShadow2:

xris: maybe they are giving the regular boxes for free, since everyone is taking the HD ones

[16:37:36]

xris:

esp. if you just do it for a few days

[16:37:51]

xris:

LoneShadow2: possibly.

[16:38:33]

sn9:

a few days would not be sufficient for me to determine just how much stuff is 5c'ed

[16:38:38]

LoneShadow2:

you guys record HD video using firewire ?

[16:38:49]

TSCHAKWerk:

it'll be my luck, I get the box, get everything hooked up, and "oh damn, they started putting 5C on all the premiums an hour ago."

[16:38:52]

TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

[16:39:01]

xris:

sn9: how is that? it's pretty easy to channel surf through the lists

[16:39:05]

xris:

LoneShadow2: I do

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sn9:

LoneShadow: that is the subject under discussion

[16:39:08]

fryfrog:

LoneShadow2: yes

[16:39:30]

sn9:

xris: not if they 5c some of the channels some of the time

[16:39:37]

LoneShadow2:

fryfrog: can a 2Ghz p4 with 512MB ram deal with firewire/HD ?

[16:39:44]

xris:

sn9: that's unlikely

[16:39:57]

fryfrog:

LoneShadow2: I record HD over firewire, no problemo

[16:40:08]

LoneShadow2:

fryfrog: what is your PC specs ?

[16:40:12]

fryfrog:

LoneShadow2: It doesn't take hardly any cpu to record HD *or* SD over firewire

[16:40:25]

fryfrog:

it comes out digital, the backend just throws it at a disk drive

[16:40:30]

LoneShadow2:

aah I guess for playing HD over 5200 might be an issue

[16:40:39]

TSCHAKWerk:

you just need sufficient disk space

[16:40:44]

fryfrog:

I used to have a 3000+ amd64 doing it, now it is a dual p4 2.4ghz xeon

[16:41:01]

fryfrog:

mainly because the 3000+ was *much* better at HD playback

[16:41:08]

fryfrog:

the dual xeon sucked for HD playback

[16:41:17]

fryfrog:

well, borderline sucked

[16:41:23]

xris:

LoneShadow2: more work on the cpu than the video card

[16:41:29]

LoneShadow2:

wow dual was bad ?

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fryfrog:

for HD playback

[16:41:45]

LoneShadow2:

hmm, maybe bad kernel ?

[16:41:49]

fryfrog:

cause the playback thread only had a crappy, old p4 2.4ghz

[16:42:07]

LoneShadow2:

ok so I cant play it on my 2.4ghz :D

[16:42:07]

fryfrog:

it was *right* on the cusp of being acceptable

[16:42:12]

sn9:

i just searched the forum, and found a post from someone in my franchise that says "like most cable companies in the US as it 5C-encrypts all subscribed non over-the-air channels"

[16:42:16]

fryfrog:

if the box was doing anything else, it woudl skip

[16:42:41]

fryfrog:

sn9: i'd still try it, it is a *huge* potshot

[16:42:48]

LoneShadow2:

are you using DVI to HDMI for output ?

[16:43:12]

xris:

sn9: theoretically also possible that the box decrypts the signal for you (though unlikely)

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LoneShadow2:

fryfrog: whats your ouput connection ? VGA or DVI ?

[16:44:06]

LoneShadow2:

output*

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sn9:

LoneShadow: i would be using 1394 firewire if i did this

[16:44:28]

LoneShadow2:

yea for recording, but for playback ?

[16:44:32]

fryfrog:

LoneShadow2: i'm not sure what you mean?

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fryfrog:

LoneShadow2: ah

[16:44:47]

fryfrog:

LoneShadow2: I have a "frontend" hooked to a TV with DVI -> HDMI cable

[16:44:53]

LoneShadow2:

HD over s-video probably will be nasty

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xris:

LoneShadow2: you can't do hd over svideo

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fryfrog:

LoneShadow2: and my backend (which *rarely* does playback) is VGA

[16:45:17]

fryfrog:

LoneShadow2: well, it just wouldn't be hd

[16:45:18]

fryfrog:

but it'd be nice looking still

[16:45:58]

LoneShadow2:

Once I upgraded my TV to HD, not using my mythtv to record any shows, just using comcast's DVR/HD box

[16:46:27]

fryfrog:

LoneShadow2: i used to do that, but finally tried firewire again

[16:46:32]

fryfrog:

god, i hated comcasts PVR

[16:46:32]

LoneShadow2:

though mythtv box is still great for upscaling DVDs, but lil washed up colors on my VGA connection

[16:46:37]

fryfrog:

it was so damn stupid

[16:46:48]

fryfrog:

it'd record like 2 versions of some shows

[16:46:55]

fryfrog:

like L&O playing on TNT and TNTHD

[16:46:58]

fryfrog:

it'd record both of them

[16:47:09]

LoneShadow2:

fryfrog: oh dont have that problem

[16:47:14]

TSCHAKWerk:

not to mention the UI just blows tofu chunks

[16:47:14]

fryfrog:

and it didn't have *any* intelligence about recording shows

[16:47:20]

fryfrog:

like, BSG plays at 2 times

[16:47:37]

fryfrog:

but it'd *still* record BSG at the first showing, even if it meant skipping something else that *didn't* replay

[16:47:40]

fryfrog:

oh well

[16:47:50]

TSCHAKWerk:

of course

[16:47:55]

TSCHAKWerk:

no intelligent commercial skipping

[16:47:56]

fryfrog:

most cable customers are "locked" to their shitty hardware, so i suspect they dont give a rats ass

[16:48:02]

TSCHAKWerk:

because, who would possibly want that?!

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fryfrog:

oh yeah, no commercial :)

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fryfrog:

and the ff rw is like a vcr, not like 30 sec skip

[16:48:25]

TSCHAKWerk:

I mean, people must watch advertising so that our economy won't tank, right?

[16:48:25]

sn9:

xris: hd over s-vid is a no go? how does one get component output from a myth box to a tv?

[16:48:35]

fryfrog:

god, and mine hardly ever responded right either

[16:48:40]

xris:

sn9: svideo is an SD protocol

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fryfrog:

sn9: HD over svideo is *not* HD

[16:48:49]

fryfrog:

but of course it still works

[16:48:56]

fryfrog:

it just isn't HD

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sn9:

in wide format?

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xris:

component is also USUALLY an sd protocol (480p), and is analog HD at best.

[16:49:07]

LoneShadow2:

anyone using find_meta.py on 0.20.1?

[16:49:08]

fryfrog:

your tv might need to stretch

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fryfrog:

the *best* for HD is VGA or DVI/HDMI

[16:49:29]

TSCHAKWerk:

preferrably the latter

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fryfrog:

er, DVI first

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sn9:

i know component can do 1080p

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sn9:

just not on all sets

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fryfrog:

a DVI -> HDMI cable should cost like $10 online, don't get suckered at bestbuy

[16:49:54]

xris:

sn9: it can, but it's analog. why do that when you can do dvi?

[16:50:06]

sn9:

no dvi input

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xris:

sn9: but if you MUST do component, many video cards have component outputs.

[16:50:17]

xris:

sn9: what inputs do you have?

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fryfrog:

your HD tv doesn't have HDMI?

[16:50:39]

sn9:

this is gonna be to an hdtv where the best input is component

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xris:

sn9: how old is your tv?

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fryfrog:

damn, it'd be really odd for it not to ahve HDMI

[16:51:22]

xris:

fryfrog: or vga.

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TSCHAKWerk:

pre-2002

[16:51:28]

sn9:

i don't remember when it was purchased, but it's a toshiba with built-in dvd

[16:51:39]

LoneShadow2:

fryfrog: does your athlon3000+ box make lot of noise due to fans ?

[16:51:56]

fryfrog:

LoneShadow2: it is loud enough that I shut it down at night, but it doesn't bother us while watching TV

[16:52:01]

fryfrog:

my setup is a little ghetto :)

[16:52:06]

LoneShadow2:

heh

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fryfrog:

the TV is the only "nice" thing

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fryfrog:

the stereo is from like 95 or 96

[16:52:22]

fryfrog:

and the computer was basically built from spare parts

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sn9:

fryfrog: yeah, i figured; i'm just not familiar with any specific cards that do component out

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** TSCHAKWerk is using an ipod hifi as my speaker system hehehehe **

[16:52:55]

LoneShadow2:

I purchased a 2ghz Small form factor compaq PC from ebay for $100

[16:53:02]

LoneShadow2:

worked out well for a mythtv box

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fryfrog:

sn9: you should be able to find any ol' nvidia 5xxx or 6xxx series, say on newegg

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fryfrog:

just pick one with a VGA or DVI -> Component ... thing

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sn9:

aahhhh

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fryfrog:

i think the card has to be aware of it, so you can't just get a vga->component cable

[16:54:06]

sn9:

are dvi->component things generic?

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fryfrog:

no, i don't think so

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xris:

sn9: newegg has a few. you can recognize them in the pictures because the component output requires a dongle thingie..

[16:54:26]

fryfrog:

yeah, there ya go

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fryfrog:

i guess it doesn't plug into dvi/vga

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fryfrog:

prolly some generic "extra" plug then

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xris:

fryfrog: mine plugs into the 'svideo" plug, which is actually something proprietary

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sn9:

vga->component requires a scan converter, i know that much

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fryfrog:

xris: ahhhh

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sn9:

but i haven't looked into dvi

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fryfrog:

better to just pick a card with component out :)

[16:55:58]

xris:

sn9: what fryfrog just said

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Kazan:

is ther person who posts on trac as danielk in here?

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fryfrog:

sn9: what xris just said!

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sn9:

hehe

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fryfrog:

i think the next workstation systems i build, i'm gonna use microatx

[16:56:45]

fryfrog:

who needs *big*!

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fryfrog:

not me!

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xris:

Kazan: daniel doesn't hang out on irc

[16:57:15]

Kazan:

damn

[16:57:20]

Kazan:

i had a question about the patch he just posted

[16:57:26]

Kazan:

in relation to 3031

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xris:

he's on the -dev maling list

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sn9:

fryfrog: mATX mobos offer a rather narrow selection of hardaware

[16:57:45]

sn9:

*hardware'

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Kazan:

danielk@cuymedia.net ?

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xris:

beats me

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** xris is suddenly glad that the irc logbot obscures email addresses in its logs **

[16:58:52]

Kazan:

yup :P it's a nice feature

[16:59:17]

xris:

pet peeve of mine. email addresses on web pages == Bad Thing

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fryfrog:

no way, email on web page == RULE!

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fryfrog:

i get like 100 emails a day, i'm popular!

[17:00:08]

xris:

haha

[17:00:10]

xris:

only?

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xris:

my mailserver BLOCKS about 5000–8000 spams/day, and I still get about 30/day

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fryfrog:

okay, usually its 100+ when i empty my "friends" folder :/

[17:00:36]

fryfrog:

dang!

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LoneShadow2:

Kazan: I am going to sign you up for pr0n spam :D

[17:00:55]

Kazan:

LoneShadow: that wasn't my address

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fryfrog:

i think you mean ... yeah, that :)

[17:01:24]

LoneShadow2:

aah

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ivor:

heh. I seem to be down to about 10 a day now. Makes me wonder if I've broken my mail system somewhere! :)

[17:02:12]

Kazan:

heh

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Kazan:

what i want to know is how many emails from porn and from realtors (Sending to my @university account) are getting passed my thunderbird filters

[17:02:53]

fryfrog:

I <3 gmail :)

[17:03:45]

fryfrog:

hey, why would my be only spawn 1 commflag instance when i told it it could have 2 jobs at once?

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gardengnome:

it's shy

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ivor:

lazy?

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fryfrog:

does anyone recall what/where that setting is in the db?

[17:07:38]

fryfrog:

I thought it was in settings.

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fryfrog:

but can't find anything like "%job%" or "%sim%" :/

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gardengnome:

it's in mythtv-setup afaik

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fryfrog:

oh

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xris:

fryfrog: it *should* be in settings. dunno what it's called, though

[17:08:32]

fryfrog:

i had the wrong filed searching :)

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fryfrog:

JobQueueMaxSimultaneousJobs looks like

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fryfrog:

I wonder what JobQueueCPU is :/

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sn9:

the guy who said comcast 5c's everything except broadcast here put his cell# in the post; i'm gonna call him up

[17:10:18]

fryfrog:

holey shit

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fryfrog:

ahahah

[17:10:27]

fryfrog:

poor guy :/

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sn9:

i leave my cell# all over the place and haven't been annoyed too much...

[17:11:17]

GhostFreeman:

poor bastard

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fryfrog:

really?

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fryfrog:

remind me to harras any cell p;hone numbers i come accross :)

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juski:

gbee: new file attached to #2535 :)

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juski:

I decided to keep the old structure but do away with the references to changes since 0.15

[17:14:50]

Beirdo:

there it is

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juski:

pointed out to me that if folks are using the 'classic' menu theme they'll be missing an awful lot of watermarks in my themes. hey ho

[17:17:11]

fryfrog:

so no one knows why when the "JobQueueMaxSimultaneousJobs" is set to two, it *still* only spawns 1 commflagging?

[17:17:45]

juski:

fryfrog: might take a backend restart

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fryfrog:

and could having two running cause one of them to crash/hang on certain recordings?

[17:18:11]

fryfrog:

juski: its been set to 2 since i setup the backend :(

[17:18:27]

fryfrog:

and i've rebooted a number of times, and restarted the be too for sure

[17:18:35]

juski:

fryfrog: if it's been hard-limited to just one I can think of good reasons why

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juski:

database loading being one of em

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

every once in a while, it seems to fire up one and leave it on "searching for logo" while the other is doing actual commflagging

[17:20:19]

juski:

I could be talking complete bollocks of course..

[17:21:04]

fryfrog:

could be :)

[17:21:12]

fryfrog:

and on a totally unrelated note... good chipsets for core 2?

[17:21:15]

juski:

it's not unknown ;)

[17:21:16]

fryfrog:

i assume intels?

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fryfrog:

looks like all the cheap crap has Via

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juski:

intel/nvidia AFAIK, but again.. what do I know? I shudder at the sheer variety of CPU/board combos available now

[17:21:59]

fryfrog:

and the more expensive has "Intel ICH7/8"

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juski:

socket X, Y Z, this RAM, that RAM.. eesh. just gimme a bundle of something fast!

[17:23:29]

juski:

there should be a wizardy thing on a website somewhere that tells you which boards work with which CPU/RAM etc IMHO

[17:23:43]

juski:

it's enough to make me wanna just go & buy 'a computer'

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juski:

never had any issues with gigabyte boards myself, but then never had Intel

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gardengnome:

fryfrog: there's also an "R" variant of those south bridges that'll give you more SATA ports and RAID

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juski:

so are sata controllers in southbridges ok to use now?

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sn9:

kormoc: the original 867–5309 would today be in the 562 area code, according to http://areacode.ce-service.biz/

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gardengnome:

why not?

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fryfrog:

i've hardly used sata *not* in the southbridge

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juski:

heard some horror stories ages & ages ago

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sn9:

and that's assuming the song came out in or after 1984, which i don't remember for sure

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gardengnome:

i don't use SATA at all in my core 2 duo box. it's a shame, i know :(

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juski:

I've personally seen enough issues with sata hdds/chipsets at work to put me off using it altogether

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** xris digs cutting commercials **

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xris:

juski: kormoc talk to you about a mythtv logo?

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juski:

who was it asking about the size of the new promo video earlier? it's 607,921MB anyway

[17:29:51]

juski:

xris: nope

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xris:

you still have that high res one you made?

[17:30:19]

juski:

er.. make that 607,921KB !

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juski:

xris: yeah somewheres

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kormoc:

xris, I'm not sure my idea would work... it's rather 2 by 1 in size

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kormoc:

or rather 3x1

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juski:

more 3x1 :)

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xris:

kormoc: idea for what?

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juski:

you need a big logo for the show eh?

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kormoc:

xris, was thinking bout a webpage layout sorta like my homepage

[17:31:18]

xris:

juski: actually, that's another good idea

[17:31:22]

xris:

kormoc: ahh

[17:31:29]

kormoc:

I actually like how that looks, having the tabs overlay the logo as the menu bar

[17:31:34]

juski:

xris: don't forget to take extension leads ;)

[17:31:56]

juski:

somebody forgot at LWexpo last year

[17:31:57]

kormoc:

was courious as to if it would look good with myth's logo or not, but I'm thinking for it to be that big, it's gonna be way too tall

[17:32:09]

xris:

yeah

[17:32:24]

gardengnome:

kormoc: where's openbash.org gone?

[17:32:45]

kormoc:

gardengnome, into the bitbucket in the sky, largely due to lack of interest / popularity :P

[17:32:56]

gardengnome:

kormoc: sad

[17:33:10]

Dagmar:

Strangely, there's little interest in replicating something everyone already hates

[17:33:27]

juski:

btw xris although I took your crit. of the video seriously due to lack of time/CPU power/upload speed it'll have to stay pretty much the way it was. mythweb's definitely checked in there though :)

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CanadianMan_:

hello

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xris:

juski: ?

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xris:

didn't make it longer?

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CanadianMan_:

i'm having trouble getting volume/mute to work in mythtv can anyone help?

[17:37:08]

xris:

CanadianMan_: what is/isn't working?

[17:37:14]

xris:

er, "happening"

[17:37:21]

CanadianMan_:

heh

[17:38:31]

CanadianMan_:

on the remote i'll change the volume or press mute and the action will display on the screen like the volume % or MUTE/UNMUTE but actually it's not really doing anything at all

[17:39:02]

zdzisekg:

CanadianMan_, are you using ALSA?

[17:39:03]

CanadianMan_:

my sound and volume stay constant and i have to adjust the volume by hand on the speakers

[17:39:10]

CanadianMan_:

yes

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kormoc:

Dagmar, meh, it was happy enuogh to start, but then it started getting spammed to hell and then interest tapered off

[17:39:27]

zdzisekg:

set the audio device to ALSA:default

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zdzisekg:

CanadianMan_, mixer device to ALSA:default

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juski:

xris: reorganising it was going to take more time than I've got, esp by the time it renders the final mpeg

[17:39:40]

CanadianMan_:

ok

[17:39:41]

fryfrog:

damn, there is hardly any selection in micro-atx :(

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xris:

juski: ahh

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zdzisekg:

CanadianMan_, and the the third option to PCM, can't remember the exect wording for the third option

[17:40:30]

sn9:

fryfrog: toldya

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juski:

I'm uploading what I've done – it might come about that I get enough time to have another stab at it this weekend.. call that the 'plan B'

[17:40:35]

fryfrog:

the "mixer' should be "default" and the device should be "ALSA:default"

[17:41:01]

juski:

it should do the job as is.. i.e. be attention-grabbing & at least get some stuff across to folks at the booth

[17:41:11]

zdzisekg:

fryfrog, when I did that, I was getting the same behavior as CanadianMan_

[17:41:25]

directhex:

zdzisekg has arrived. did anyone reveal to him the secret of mepo's cpu consumption?

[17:41:36]

juski:

zdzisekg: alphapulse !

[17:41:49]

** xris really should try that mepo theme **

[17:41:57]

juski:

it's cute on a stick :)

[17:41:57]

CanadianMan_:

thank you all

[17:42:05]

directhex:

zdzisekg, <alphapulse>!

[17:42:11]

CanadianMan_:

fryfrog, have you seen abit NF-M2?

[17:42:18]

zdzisekg:

directhex, thanx

[17:42:38]

directhex:

zdzisekg, replace the <alphapulse> line and the one below it with a plain ol' <alpha> and it drops to 0% cpu use when idle from 100%

[17:43:11]

zdzisekg:

directhex, I'll do it for my next release

[17:43:18]

xris:

would be nice if he made a non-wide version

[17:43:47]

directhex:

zdzisekg, you need to s/Perental/Parental/g on video-ui.xml too

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juski:

non-wide is for squares ;)

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directhex:

mepo's too cute for 4:3!

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zdzisekg:

xris, might be hard as my TV and a laptop are both wide-screens.

[17:44:33]

juski:

<cough>run mythfrontend in a window!</cough> ;)

[17:44:34]

xris:

zdzisekg: that certainly would present a problem... heh

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zdzisekg:

xris, and I have trouble completing the wide theme too. never enough time

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CanadianMan_:

wow mepo is pretty freaking cool

[17:45:02]

xris:

zdzisekg: I know how that goes

[17:45:20]

zdzisekg:

juski, thanx for the pointer.

[17:45:31]

gbee:

after at least 6 months my IP lease appears to have expired (or forced to expire) :(

[17:45:32]

juski:

zdzisekg: thank directhex, not me

[17:46:17]

juski:

xris: will the box at the booth be able to play 20mbit 720p?

[17:46:20]

gbee:

juski: if you want to attach it to ticket #2535 or alternatively email it to me, I'll get it committed

[17:46:21]

zdzisekg:

if I do complete the wide version, I'll try to work on a 4:3 version

[17:46:30]

xris:

juski: if nothing else, I'll bring in my workstation

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xris:

sn yes

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juski:

gbee: already attached

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xris:

s/sn/so/

[17:47:02]

gbee:

juski: ah good

[17:47:25]

directhex:

xris, you could hack on a non-wide version yerself!

[17:48:05]

xris:

directhex: I could if I wasn't overloaded with mythweb/nuvexport/life. :)

[17:48:08]

zdzisekg:

perhaps not the best place to ask, but does anyone know why eskil's shoutcast patch does not get included in myth?

[17:48:12]

juski:

zdzisekg: working on stuff you never use breeds resentment IME

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directhex:

xris, add the ability to create a mythvideo category in mythweb so i don't have to go downstairs to do it!

[17:49:35]

gbee:

zdzisekg: patience

[17:49:44]

juski:

directhex: got phpmyadmin? :-P

[17:50:02]

directhex:

juski, yes, for re-adding all those channel icons last night

[17:50:06]

directhex:

that took a good hour :/

[17:50:14]

xris:

directhex: talk to kormoc about that one. he's doing all of the mythvideo stuff in mythweb.

[17:50:17]

directhex:

but my recordings ae working again o/

[17:50:33]

gbee:

if eskil opened a ticket it might not have been overlooked for so long

[17:51:42]

** Tanthrix does the "my new TV is coming today!" dance **

[17:51:49]

zdzisekg:

gbee, thanx. I thought he did and that there was some other reasons for it

[17:51:53]

xris:

hmm, me-po video section needs some new features from the backend to show cover art next to the files in gallery mode. :)

[17:52:08]

fryfrog:

damn, what are new amd chipsets?

[17:52:35]

** kormoc sits on Tanthrix's porch to intercept the tv **

[17:52:36]

xris:

zdzisekg: not that you haven't heard it enough, but that's a really slick theme... really nice work

[17:52:37]

directhex:

xris, surely that's a mythvideo change, not backend?

[17:52:52]

xris:

directhex: yes, true.

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** xris is too distracted by work at the moment... **

[17:53:00]

zdzisekg:

xris, the gaallery mode is not finished. I did not spent much time on it as that plugin can not draw a background

[17:53:04]

gbee:

zdzisekg: I've not actually seen the patch so I can't for sure, but in principle there is no reason it won't be committed

[17:53:10]

** Tanthrix tazer's kormoc out of the way **

[17:53:49]

directhex:

fryfrog, no, you can buy nforce 590 boards if you're rich

[17:54:00]

gbee:

needs a ticket first though, can't keep track of things otherwise

[17:54:23]

directhex:

fryfrog, there's been nothing since then because there's been no reason to be.

[17:55:33]

fryfrog:

ah

[17:55:47]

fryfrog:

but 590 is high end, right?

[17:55:53]

gbee:

zdzisekg: in SVN mythgallery _can_ draw a background – thanks to juski

[17:56:01]

directhex:

fryfrog, yeah. 570 is lower end

[17:56:08]

gbee:

or was that another plugin ...

[17:56:09]

fryfrog:

i've been looking at micro-atx boards and they seem to have nvidia's 6100 or 6150, but those are... the video card i thought

[17:56:10]

directhex:

gbee, a lovely 1-linr tweak

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directhex:

fryfrog, 6100/6150 is both. it's an integrated graphics motherboard chipset, like i945g

[17:57:01]

directhex:

based on nforce4 i think

[17:57:24]

fryfrog:

ah

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zdzisekg:

gbee, I think it was for mythvideo gallery view

[17:57:51]

gbee:

directhex: often all it takes is a couple of lines, but unless someone is prepared to do the work and provide the patch it never happens

[17:58:24]

directhex:

gbee, my 1 committed patch was pretty much a copy & paste of some previous lines with some tweaked parameters. but it added ide cd writer support to mythmusic

[17:59:07]

directhex:

or http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=535322

[17:59:13]

Tanthrix:

Speaking of which, do any devs here have a feeling about what it would take to support 1080P themes? Is it something as simple as changing "1280x720" to "1920x1080" somewhere?

[17:59:25]

directhex:

the themes are hardcoded?

[17:59:45]

Tanthrix:

Yes, according to juski, to a max of 720P

[18:00:12]

directhex:

so what happens when i use my 1360x768 frontend?

[18:00:19]

Tanthrix:

Seems a silly thing to do given the fact that they get scaled down anyway, but whoever did it probably had their reasons

[18:00:28]

Tanthrix:

directhex: The theme scales up.

[18:00:31]

kormoc:

directhex, they get scaled

[18:00:41]

GreyFoxx:

The "Standard" resolutions for :3 is 800x600, 16:9 is 1280x720. Everything else is scalled

[18:00:54]

directhex:

so what we *really* want is SVG graphics!

[18:00:59]

Tanthrix:

Not a big deal for your res, but on my 1080p set themes look noticably pixellated

[18:01:23]

directhex:

if it's a problem, i can swap tv

[18:01:32]

kormoc:

yeah, I'll swap too! :P

[18:01:38]

Tanthrix:

hehehe

[18:02:22]

Tanthrix:

Well, maybe I'll post on the mailing list about it. I'd definately be willing to give it a shot if someone could point me in the right direction

[18:02:43]

Tanthrix:

With my 2.1 terms of C++ experience, I'm sure it would be cake! /sarcasm

[18:03:03]

xris:

Tanthrix: me-po looks a little blurry on my 1680x1050 screen.. blootube has always looked nice.

[18:03:10]

Tanthrix:

(Though I do have some hopes that it might be an easy fix)

[18:03:11]

xris:

but I think it's because mythtv limits the max res for themes, no?

[18:03:25]

Tanthrix:

xris: Yah, that's what I'd like to change

[18:03:42]

Tanthrix:

xris: Up to 1920x1980 – anyone after that is on their own

[18:03:43]

xris:

it's not like they'd take up any more RAM.

[18:03:53]

xris:

Tanthrix: 1920x1088

[18:03:57]

Tanthrix:

xris: Yah, it really doesn't make much sense

[18:04:01]

xris:

1080 isn't really 1080

[18:04:24]

Tanthrix:

Uh, since when?

[18:05:20]

xris:

since mpeg can't handle resolutions not divisible by 16, or some crap like that

[18:05:27]

Tanthrix:

Ahh, I see.

[18:06:13]

Tanthrix:

But do any TVs actually display 1920x1088? That's the real issue

[18:06:38]

xris:

Tanthrix: my guess is that it's just marketing speak to call it 1080

[18:06:38]

Tanthrix:

They all probably just know to crop the bottom 8 lines of the image

[18:06:41]

xris:

but I honestly don't know

[18:07:24]

ObiWanNew:

people how can i stop backend and enter setup menu again, and later restart backend

[18:07:33]

xris:

ObiWanNew: what distro?

[18:07:36]

Tanthrix:

Actually, I would be shocked if there were any sets that actually displayed 1920x1088, since it would make the TV no longer 16:9

[18:07:38]

xris:

and how did you install mythtv?

[18:07:46]

ObiWanNew:

knoppmyth

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xris:

ObiWanNew: try: sudo /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop

[18:08:11]

Tanthrix:

Anyway, 8 pixel scaling would look fine for any weird cases

[18:08:31]

ObiWanNew:

that command is not found, is there ctl alt something

[18:08:51]

kormoc:

use the force

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xris:

ObiWanNew: you need to run it from a console

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ObiWanNew:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop is the one that works on knoppmyth

[18:11:45]

ObiWanNew:

(xris): thanks

[18:12:13]

xris:

ObiWanNew: ahh

[18:12:20]

xris:

then just "start" when you want to restart.

[18:12:20]

ObiWanNew:

what is it for setup

[18:12:25]

xris:

mythtv-setup

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xris:

sorry: mythtvsetup

[18:13:35]

ObiWanNew:

no both crapped out....

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xris:

ObiWanNew: add -v all

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xris:

it'll give you better error messages

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Tanthrix:

I have just recieved word that my TV has come.

[18:41:57]

Tanthrix:

This would be great, assuming I wasn't at work :/

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BlueCamel:

Tanthrix: you look sick. maybe you need to rest at home

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fysa:

http://picasaweb.google.com/jason.fisher/Nerd . . . 979326841314

[18:49:26]

fysa:

http://picasaweb.google.com/jason.fisher/Nerd . . . 975031874002

[18:49:32]

fysa:

mythtv @ 106" :)

[18:50:06]

fysa:

http://picasaweb.google.com/jason.fisher/Nerd . . . 106513162578

[18:50:09]

fysa:

and 36" :/

[18:50:48]

fysa:

http://picasaweb.google.com/jason.fisher/Nerd . . . 748576116946

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** BlueCamel is 100" **

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directhex:

fysa, 106"?

[18:52:33]

directhex:

ah, projector

[18:53:10]

** hjohnson prefer's Frank's 2000" TV **

[18:56:30]

sivel28:

where would i go to find detailed logs of why a scheduled recording failed?

[18:56:53]

juski:

sivel28: depends where the init script you use to run mythbackend says to put them

[18:57:05]

juski:

usually somewhere in the vicinity of /var/log/mythtv though

[18:57:10]

sivel28:

ok

[18:57:12]

sivel28:

]thank you

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sivel28:

hmm...failed to set channel

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juski:

maybe set up a 2nd source then make sure the channels the football/soccer games are shown on, are not on the crappy card

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Disp:

thanks

[19:28:34]

Disp:

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something using profiles.....

[19:29:34]

juski:

does any other pvr app give you such power of recording preferences like this, I wonder? ;)

[19:30:20]

juski:

seems tuner priorities & channel priorities aren't enough for some eh

[19:31:30]

Disp:

*snort*

[19:31:46]

Disp:

everybody always wants something that isn't included....

[19:32:52]

directhex:

i want a pony!

[19:32:55]

directhex:

and the moon on a stick :(

[19:33:14]

juski:

well, let's just leave it there. there are enough settings pages to bewilder the life out of most mortals in those setup menus

[19:33:58]

juski:

always record, except when a tuesday is on an even-numbered day of the month & the moon is waxing

[19:34:54]

juski:

funny but I was thinking about trying to make a new rule that'd record a show on every weekday except wednesdays today

[19:34:57]

Disp:

the fizzbin menu!!

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Tanthrix:

BlueCamel: I think you're right ;)

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Tanthrix:

juski: You're right, but that's what makes myth so great, it's power and features

[19:46:52]

juski:

never mind the fluffy UI BS ;)

[19:47:27]

directhex:

you joke, but the missus almost exclusively uses mythweb

[19:47:32]

Tanthrix:

juski: I wonder if there would be a way to make some kind of interface where people can make their own recording rules instead of trying to include every possibly liklihood

[19:48:05]

juski:

directhex: so do I for scheduling

[19:48:05]

Tanthrix:

juski: I do agree though – the setup pages are insane

[19:48:34]

juski:

and even when I use the frontend to schedule something more often than not I use the programme finder

[19:48:49]

juski:

grid-based guides are a PITA

[19:49:18]

BlueCamel:

my wife was watching 24 & lost, with commercials, for a year

[19:49:37]

BlueCamel:

the first time I had mythtv record it she _insisted_ i get a proper remote so she could use it easily

[19:49:41]

BlueCamel:

no problem. :)

[19:50:02]

Tanthrix:

You don't like slowly scrolling through pages of junk to find waht you're looking for juski? ;)

[19:50:27]

juski:

SWMBO is finally coming around to the 'press 4 then right arrow' method – rather than ffwding at insane speeds likely to lock the frontend

[19:51:49]

juski:

and before anybody chips in with just enable commflagging – it's almost 100% impotent in the UK. I've looked into it & it's unlikely much could be done about it without some _seriously_ sophisticated methods

[19:52:26]

Tanthrix:

hell, here in the states it doesn't work 60 percent of the time for me coinsistently

[19:52:47]

Tanthrix:

I gave up on it and just do 30 second skips now

[19:53:08]

fysa:

wow. I have problems on maybe one or two of the 30 shows we record.

[19:53:37]

Tanthrix:

maybe I need to play with the settings, I might have done something wrong a while back

[19:54:04]

juski:

on some cable/sat channels like $ky One, it works just about flawlessly

[19:54:33]

juski:

but on the main terrestrial channels we don't have logos onscreen & certainly no giveaways like fades to black

[19:57:08]

juski:

anyway.. got some mythtv watching to do.. biab

[20:03:09]

sn9:

i just called that guy who posted about 5C in my area

[20:04:58]

sn9:

seems his post was a little ambiguous. he actually has service from the other cable company in the area — the one that does not provide service to my block. his knowledge of comcast's 5C policies is strictly second-hand. he says they have relaxed them recently

[20:08:02]

xris:

sn9: like I said, it's easiest to just give it a try

[20:09:00]

sn9:

yeah, and he said the neighboring cable system on which i have access to a 6200 to test would almost certainly have identical policies

[20:09:14]

sn9:

i guess i'll do that

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sn9:

that brings me to the next annoyance — the trimonthly tribune survey

[20:11:16]

sn9:

an atsc card user i know now eschews mythtv in favor of atscap because it gets the guide data from the digital program stream

[20:11:49]

sn9:

any idea whether such data is even transmitted over 1394 from a 6200?

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xris:

sn9: I don't think you can get EIT over firewire

[20:20:05]

xris:

sn9: and do you mean the survey that says "nothing this time, just click Submit" ?

[20:21:11]

sn9:

it does that?

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mishehu:

what's eit?

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sn9:

so far, i have not signed up for the tribune acct; i've been mything on and off with no guide data at all

[20:23:57]

sn9:

the recuded time involved every 3mo is welcome news indeed

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sn9:

*reduced

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xris:

sn9: there has been no actual survey for months..

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xris:

and when there was, it was like 3 questions about what you'd like from their service in the future

[20:28:40]

sn9:

no survey even for new accts?

[20:28:42]

xris:

sn9: it's a small price to pay for the service, given how helpful they've been to the community (even if it *is* in their best interest, too)

[20:28:56]

xris:

sn9: no clue on that one. they probably want to know why you're using it.

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sn9:

might be a good idea to automate the tribune renewal, then

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sn9:

is that in the works?

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woland_:

hi

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woland_:

thanks for the help yesterday, i managed to connect my tv via component and it doesn't look that bad

[21:09:33]

woland_:

i have a vga cable on order i'm gonna compare it to

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woland_:

i also ordered a svideo cable but i remember being told it's less quality than component

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fysa:

correct

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fysa:

did you get the resolution set properly?

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fysa:

my TV unfortunately only accepts 480i over component. :/

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zdzisekg:

anyone with better c++ skills care to have a look at it?

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woland_:

fysa: i was just happy to see the desktop on the screen. the resoultion looked a bit large for the screen – but the missus is watching her programs at the moment and would kill me if i kept tweaking :o

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fysa:

heh

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fysa:

I know how that is ;)

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woland_:

i'm just hoping getting the nova-t 500 is as easy

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woland_:

configuring that is

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woland_:

does anyone use the nova-t 500?

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juski:

uh-oh.. I need to split this 600MB video into bits

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juski:

zdzisekg: I think it's probably doable.. If you remember I only found a bug that caused mythgallery to segfault when theme elements are missing

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gbee:

woland_: yeah I do

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juski:

when I tried I basically did the same kind of thing as with the mythvideo patch I did

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woland_:

gbee: do you have the remote control working?

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juski:

I'll have another stab at it soon no doubt but I'm juggling a lot

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gbee:

woland_: actually no, as the frontend is in another room I'm using it with a generic serial IR receiver

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juski:

random question time.. is there a linux equivalent of rar that can split big files into manageable chunks?

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anykey_:

juski: yeah, it's called rar ;-)

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anykey_:

juski: rar -a -m0 -v15M archive.rar file1, splits the file file1 into the archive archive.rar using 15 megabyte chunks

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gbee:

thought tar had that ability, as it was originally designed for splitting backups across tapes

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juski:

anykey_: heheh cheers!

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woland_:

gbee: is the reception of the card good?

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anykey_:

juski: rtfm :-p

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juski:

just checked the tar manual.. no mention of splitting as far as I could tell from a quick glance

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gbee:

woland_: not quite as good as my older card, but still pretty decent

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gbee:

woland_: helps if you enable the built-in amplifier

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woland_:

gbee: thats good. i've talked the wife into going with mythtv rather than buying a settop box

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gbee:

it's a kernel parameter, e.g. modprobe modulename force_lna_activation=1

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woland_:

gbee: cool, i'll make sure to set that option

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woland_:

gbee: which distribution do you use for your setup?

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gbee:

mandriva – but I'm in a minority

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gbee:

I still needed to download a newer kernel

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gbee:

the distribution shouldn't really affect the setup of the card any

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nomin:

how come I have 2 seperate recordings that are both one hour long but have different file sizes? I didn't change anything in the recording options. One file is 1.1 GB and one is 870 MB.

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gbee:

nomin: analogue/digital?

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fryfrog:

nomin: what is the source?

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fryfrog:

nomin: if it is anything but a hardware mpeg2 card (ie, pvr150), that sounds normal

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nomin:

I have the cable that comes in with the coaxial line. That's analog I think. I have a win-tv go plus card.

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fryfrog:

er, is that a software bitbanger?

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nomin:

yeah, I think it's software encoder.

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fryfrog:

oh

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nomin:

bt 878

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fryfrog:

humm, that seems odd on the surface, but maybe i'm not that surprised

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fryfrog:

do you encode to mpeg4 or rtjmpeg?

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nomin:

mpeg4

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fryfrog:

er, rjt? what ever the not-mpeg4 is

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fryfrog:

ah, it probably just got better compression on one than the other?

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fryfrog:

is the *bigger* file a bit dirtier? maybe more static or something?

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nomin:

they both have the same quality. They were recorded one after another.

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nomin:

from the same channel

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fryfrog:

oh, same channel and everything?

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fryfrog:

you sure one isn't mangled or accidentally shortened? :/

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gbee:

lots of motion in one recording but not the other?

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nomin:

yes. They're both 1 hour.

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gbee:

e.g. action film versus tv news?

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stuarta:

it's quite common

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nomin:

gbee: more motion = bigger file?

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gbee:

nomin: yep

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stuarta:

nomin: yes

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nomin:

it was from the history channel. 2 different documentaries.

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nomin:

ok, more movement does make sense to me now.

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gbee:

as the compression works by only storing changes between frames, the more the frames change the larger the resulting file

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stuarta:

it's a "feature" of mpeg2

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stuarta:

or most other video compression schemes for that matter

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nomin:

I've been wondering about that. I noticed it with several other recording.

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nero_:

has anyone here had problems compiling svn with dts-passthrough? I do a ./configure --enable-dts, and get an error that libdts can not be found. libdts.a is located in my /usr/lib and dts.h is in /usr/include,so it should be found.

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stuarta:

you'll need a libdts.so

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fryfrog:

I think a ".a" lib is for statically compiled stuff

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stuarta:

yes it is

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nero_:

ahh.. so I cant compile against a static lib?

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nero_:

argh.. looks like I gotta build it myself then.

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fryfrog:

i'm pretty sure no

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armbar:

hello

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fryfrog:

doesn't your distro have a libdts package?

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fryfrog:

what do you use?

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nero_:

I am using ubuntu feisty. It should, but it claims libdts is installed

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fryfrog:

also, can i setup lirc to have a command run?

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nero_:

and all that is there, is libdts.a

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fryfrog:

sudo dpkg-query -L libdts-dev

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fryfrog:

that claims on mine to only own a .a file

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fryfrog:

i dunno why they don't have a .so :/

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fryfrog:

(i am using feisty too)

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stuarta:

feisty is like, only 8 hrs old...

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stuarta:

diddly squat i suspect

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nero_:

well, I guess I'll build my own then, and make a .deb for it.

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nero_:

thanks guys.

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zdzisekg:

juski, thanx. looks like this is beyond me. I've been looking to do some learning/programming for a while, but never have the time to commit to it

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juski:

anyway g'night all

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ObiWanNew:

jpw can i permanently save alsamixer to unmute on aux and capture

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armbar:

ObiWanNew:# alsactl store <card #>

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ObiWanNew:

(armbar): thanks

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armbar:

np

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nero_:

ouch.. looks like compiling libdts as a shared library is not the easiest thing in the world..

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nero_:

there is no --enable-shared in the config for the 0.0.2 source.

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Kazan:

anyone here have a Kworld ATSC 110?

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armbar:

It worked but I needed hw encoding so I went to a pvr-350.

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Kazan:

never heard of the 115

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armbar:

Its newer.

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Kazan:

kworld atsc 110 is an hdtv receiver.. has SDTV (But software encoded)

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Kazan:

does it have the same remote port?

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Kazan:

because that's what i'm interested in

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Kazan:

if the remote receiver for it has a lirc module

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armbar:

http://shop4.outpost.com/product/5169736?site . . . MAIN_RSLT_PG

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Kazan:

i have the atsc tuner working

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Kazan:

just need to see if i can get lirc going

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armbar:

do you have sound working?

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armbar:

are you using a loopback for sound?

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Kazan:

i'm not using the analog part of the card

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armbar:

I see, I am not sure about lirc.. I never tried it. What distro are you using?

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Kazan:

fedora

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Kazan:

well i have other stuff to worry about

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nero_:

has anyone else found the video quality of the builtin dvd player to be sub-par? Or am I doing something wrong?

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Kazan:

i'm using xine

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nero_:

Kazan, thats what I normally use as well.. but tried out the internal player, and got very streaky/grainy playback.

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Agrajag-:

i don't find the video quality to be any different

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fysa:

I have a problem with choppy playback with internal — with x264 at least.

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Kazan:

i got a nice new 16:9 widescreen hdtv

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Kazan:

wtb: hd porn

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Kazan:

:D

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Kazan:

gawd it sucks having an HDTV and only SDTV to watch

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Kazan:

MENG I WANT ESPN2HD DAMMIT!

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nero:

Kazan, I just got HD.. (Discovery HD, ESPN HD, etc..) and yes.. you REALLY are missing out ;)

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Kazan:

h8!

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Kazan:

there are 5 OTA hd channels here (but HD tuning is busted in myth) ... the cable service only has like... 5 more non-premium HD channels

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Kazan:

i'd have to pay anoter $20/month for HD from them

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Kazan:

and then probably wouldn't be able to use it with myth

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Kazan:

they claim they don't give out HD capable STBs at all.. i informed them that they are in violation of FCC regulations

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nero:

ouch..

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nero:

I just got verizon FiOS all of the non premium HD channels come with the basic package..

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Kazan:

the american media industry is run by a bunch of profiteering assholes

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** Kazan lives in iowa **

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nero:

all you need to access them is a HD STB, which is $5.00 more than a standard STB.

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Kazan:

mediacom

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czth_:

dude. all industry is run by profiteering assholes. that's the definition of capitalism.

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** nero used to live in Minnesota.. ;) **

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Kazan:

czth_: not so

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czth_:

... the anti-real-ID state!

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czth_:

as a generalization, sure

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Kazan:

czth_: just the really huge ones.. they start putting profit before ethics

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