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Monday, April 16th, 2007, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:24] ubuntuEdgy: I'm using mythfrontend , i cant be typing sudo ever time i want to shutdown
[00:00:24] ubuntuEdgy: i have tryed visudo
[00:00:42] ubuntuEdgy: no luck,
[00:00:58] ubuntuEdgy: hads: where can i find this setting
[00:01:09] J-e-f-f-A: ubuntuEdgy: My shutdown command is set to "poweroff", which the mythtv user is allowed to execute.
[00:01:10] hads: In mythfrontend, under settings.
[00:01:25] hads: Possibly general, I can't remember
[00:02:17] hads: Damn, forgot to have breakfast.
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[00:04:21] cesman: I don't understand...
[00:04:24] cesman: ok
[00:04:36] ubuntuEdgy: I'm going to test it now if i don't come back, it will have been successful
[00:05:20] ubuntuEdgy: now it says "poweroff: Need to be root"
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[00:06:08] cesman: you need to edit /etc/sudoers
[00:06:12] cesman: something like
[00:06:27] cesman: username ALL=NOPASSWD:/path/to/poweroff
[00:07:03] cesman: then in mythtv the command to power off should be sudo /path/to/poweroff
[00:07:04] ubuntuEdgy: i have done that with no luck, do i need to reboot after changing this file ?
[00:07:17] ubuntuEdgy: ohh i see
[00:08:23] ubuntuEdgy: if that's the case then i need to change the settings on mythtv to "/sbin/halt"
[00:08:25] ** cesman waits for retraction on not understanding.... ;) **
[00:10:43] ubuntuEdgy: still no luck i have modified that visudo file to " myuser ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/halt"
[00:11:06] cesman: the user may have to log out and back in
[00:11:12] ubuntuEdgy: and i have put "/sbin/halt" in the mythtv settings
[00:11:22] ubuntuEdgy: ok brb
[00:11:27] hads: You'll need to use sudo...
[00:11:38] hads: Oh well.
[00:11:51] ** cesman heads off to kitchen to make something to eat **
[00:12:33] ubuntuEdgy: halt: Need to be root
[00:12:46] hads: Yes, well you will need to use sudo...
[00:13:11] hads: There's no point editing sudoers if the command you are using doesn't call sudo
[00:13:12] ubuntuEdgy: sudo mythfroned ?
[00:13:34] hads: Think about it. Do you need to run mythfrontend as root?
[00:13:41] ubuntuEdgy: no
[00:13:49] hads: Correct
[00:14:11] ubuntuEdgy: ?
[00:14:38] ubuntuEdgy: yes is do
[00:14:53] hads: I don't think you quite get the concept of sudo yet.
[00:15:23] hads: Edit the mythtv shutdown command setting and add sudo in front of the command.
[00:15:28] ubuntuEdgy: its to get root privileges :-P
[00:15:41] ubuntuEdgy: ok thanks
[00:15:48] hads: Otherwise how would the OS know that you wanted to use sudo?
[00:16:04] hads: It doesn't just magically do these things.
[00:16:10] cesman: lol
[00:16:36] cesman: guess he didn't understand....
[00:16:45] ** hads gives up **
[00:16:56] hads: I'll stop being mean
[00:18:45] ubuntuEdgy: it worked :-D
[00:26:09] khanafur: i have a problem i keep running into on all of my debian machines that i use for mythtv frontends
[00:27:22] ubuntuEdgy: hey can i get help with mythwelcome ?
[00:27:41] khanafur: after an update a while back all of the text on the qt screens is missing
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[00:28:09] ubuntuEdgy: when i type it on a terminal it keeps on opening new windows of "mythwelcome"
[00:28:48] ubuntuEdgy: make sense ?
[00:31:05] ubuntuEdgy: can any one help
[00:31:20] kormoc: no
[00:32:07] spinull: is it worth the extra $200 to get an contrast ratio of 10,000:1 vs. 1200:1, with a 1ms difference between the two tv's
[00:32:19] ubuntuEdgy: be patient
[00:32:59] kormoc: spinull, more depends on you then anyone else
[00:33:05] spinull: how so?
[00:33:39] hads: $200 doesn't seem like much for that bigger difference, but if you can't tell the difference visually then there isn't much point.
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[00:34:03] jimbalaya: this is driving me nuts ... I'm using Debian Etch ... the ivtv module(s) load at boot .... the lirc_i2c module doesn't ... if i modprobe lirc_i2c then it loads, and everything is ok, so i know it works .... i just can't find the proper place to add modules to load at boot :-/
[00:34:27] jimbalaya: i ran 'grep -R ivtv /etc' with no results
[00:34:28] psofa: /etc/modules_something maybe?
[00:34:28] hads: /etc/modules
[00:34:29] spinull: i can tell the difference
[00:34:44] jimbalaya: the only thing listed in the /etc/modules file is 'loop'
[00:35:04] hads: Just put lirc_i2c in there
[00:35:05] spinull: is it going to drive me nuts later when im seeing it, should i decide to go with the cheaper one
[00:35:23] hads: There's your answer :)
[00:35:50] spinull: i
[00:35:50] jimbalaya: hads: do i put 'modprobe lirc_i2c' or just, as it seems i should, 'lirc_i2c'
[00:35:58] hads: The latter
[00:36:07] hads: One module name per line
[00:36:29] jimbalaya: ok ... thanks
[00:36:33] hads: np
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[00:38:47] jimbalaya: ...and to have lircd run at boot, i should add a script named /etc/init.d/lircd ... right?
[00:39:08] hads: How did you install lirc?
[00:39:32] spinull: im gonna go with the LG then, higher contrast ratio and 1ms faster response
[00:40:38] jimbalaya: hads: source, i believe
[00:40:47] hads: You believe? :)
[00:41:04] hound: Does anybody get usable results with commercial detection? I never seems to work correctly for me... even with strict commercial detection on. I understand it probably wouldn't work on every channel, but maybe I'm doing something wrong too?
[00:41:19] jimbalaya: yeah, it's in my source directory.... and I remember having issues with apt-getting it
[00:41:32] hads: You're better off (IMHO) to install using module assistant and debs, that way you get the init script and everything.
[00:41:45] cesman: hound: works well here!
[00:42:01] hound: I like the logo detection idea, I was thikning it would look for the TV age logo that shows after every commercial, but it totally messed up when I tried only that method
[00:42:11] hads: jimbalaya: Unless you have trouble or need a newer version that is.
[00:42:23] hound: cesman, do you leave your commercial method set to : all availble methods?
[00:42:34] jimbalaya: i had issues with apt-get and module assistant, but the source worked perfectly
[00:43:18] hads: You could try just installing the lirc package. That contains the init script which might work for you.
[00:44:02] hads: Although it might also be too debianised to work with a source install.
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[00:45:39] jimbalaya: well, it's in and working, so I'm gonna fiddle with an init.d script before i go reinstalling stuff
[00:46:01] jimbalaya: thanks for your help, hads!
[00:46:25] hads: np
[00:47:29] Law: hmm under V4L it says you have a have X modules installed if not built into the kernel, I've done a lsmod and they are not show and tried to modprobe them but they are not there, I using unbuntu. any ideas?
[00:47:32] Law: for example CRC32
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[00:51:05] irq: is there a way to use a CableCard with MythTV? does the ati ocur work?
[00:52:00] jroysdon: oooh, good question
[00:52:03] ** jroysdon waits for the answer **
[00:52:49] Tanthrix: irq: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/262870
[00:53:06] Tanthrix: In short, no.
[00:54:39] irq: Tanthrix:
[00:54:41] irq: err
[00:54:59] irq: Tanthrix: this thread also seems to say that there is no way to capture video via HDMI into myth?
[00:55:03] irq: what about a DVI input?
[00:55:17] irq: cable box -> hdmi -> hdmi-to-dvi cable -> myth?
[00:55:19] Tanthrix: irq: HDMI is is basically DVI with audiop, so no.
[00:55:39] irq: so basically it's almost impossible to use mythtv to record HD?
[00:56:11] Tanthrix: irq: Well, you can get an HD tuner card or use firewire to get HD stuff, but only if it's unencrypted.
[00:56:22] Tanthrix: (Firewire output from a cablebox, that is)
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[00:58:11] Tanthrix: irq: Lame!
[00:58:16] irq: it's infuriating
[00:58:26] Tanthrix: irq: Call them up and complain – don't get off the phone until they give you your money back.
[00:58:30] irq: it looks like the only choice i have is to buy a $800 hd tivo and go with my local cable company
[00:58:36] irq: oh i did tanthrix
[00:58:37] irq: oh, i did
[00:58:39] irq: my, did i ever
[00:59:03] irq: but the farthest i got was them submitting something to their "accounting department", and being told that they'd get back to me in 7 days. then i asked how they'd contact me, and i was told that i actually have to call in
[00:59:27] irq: and from what little googling i've done, many, many people are in the same situation as i am, regarding the forced-commitment and soon-to-be-obsolete-tivo, and none of them have been able to get out of it
[00:59:27] Tanthrix: irq: How long were you on the phone? I've spent 2 hours dealing with that stuff before. Eventually after going in circles it becomes too costly for them to keep talking, so often they will give in.
[00:59:42] irq: according to my treo, 85 minutes, over 2 phone calls
[01:00:19] irq: if it wasn't for this recent force-commitment, i could have canceled directv, as i had no other commitment (had their service for over a year, etc)
[01:00:25] Tanthrix: irq: If you feel that you've exhausted that option I would call them up, ask to talk to a supervisor, and tell them if they don't get this fixed that you are taking the matter to small claims court.
[01:00:40] irq: it was the supervisor i was talking to, and i actually DID mention the small claims court thing!
[01:00:44] Tanthrix: irq: And if they still don't listen, go read up on filing a claim.
[01:00:51] irq: i swear, after the first phone call, i spent a long time looking around the net for what tactics i could use
[01:01:08] Tanthrix: irq: Definately go through with it. Don't give in, no matter how tempting and frustratingly depressing it is.
[01:01:22] irq: how much of a pain in the ass is it to file a claim, and will it be worth $300 in terms of fees and how much of my time it takes? consider that my sanity is about 85% drained by my own day job
[01:01:35] Tanthrix: irq: I suspect that given the small amount of money if you actually did take them to small claims court they would give in to shut you up
[01:01:45] Tanthrix: irq: That's why they always win unfortunately.
[01:02:06] Tanthrix: irq: Rather, that's why they get away with this stuff.
[01:02:31] irq: i found a faq for small claims in california
[01:02:33] ** Tanthrix almost just got screwed over by Best Buy so he's rather cranky about the business tactics of modern, large corporations **
[01:02:35] irq: $30.00 to file, that's not bad
[01:03:00] irq: my other worry is that even if i go through small claims court, they'll still put a mark on my credit report
[01:03:20] Tanthrix: Well, you should definately pay. Don't just cancel the charges.
[01:03:53] Tanthrix: But if they release you from the contract due to you winning I would think that it would be illegal for them to do anything with your credit report.
[01:04:15] irq: i don't think directv cares about the law
[01:04:25] irq: unless it results in multi-million dollar fines
[01:05:03] Tanthrix: It just sucks.
[01:05:16] Tanthrix: Sorry to hear your stuck dealing with it, I feel for you.
[01:05:46] irq: i really appreciate the sympathy.. i feel pretty terrible
[01:05:52] Tanthrix: Best Buy just tried to charge me a 25 percent restocking fee ($300) on a TV return despite the fact that the return policy did not specify that was the case.
[01:05:55] irq: this is one of the reasons i really want to move to canada
[01:06:07] irq: specifically quebec
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[01:06:26] Tanthrix: (Said there was a 25 percent restocking fee on special order items, so I looked up the special order items page, said the TV would have a "special order item" button if it was a special order item, didn't have it, yet they still tried to tell me it was)
[01:06:51] Tanthrix: I got around it by calling back a few days later on returning it as defective, and it looks like it's going to work out, so I was lucky.
[01:07:07] irq: the worst part is i think i might end up just keeping directv if their accounting department doesn't remove the commitment for me
[01:07:08] Tanthrix: Not after spending 1.5 hours arguing on the phone, getting stressed out and pissed off, etc.. though
[01:07:29] irq: i've already determined that right now anyway, getting a decent DVR for HD programming is too expensive
[01:07:48] Tanthrix: I've decided to vote with my dollars now – I'm never buying anything from Best Buy again, and I just bought my new TV set from Costco (the best company in the world)
[01:08:02] Tanthrix: irq: Do you have comcast cable in your area?
[01:08:11] irq: no, Cox
[01:08:25] Tanthrix: irq: I'm in Portland, Oregon and I pay 62 for digital cable and 11.95 a month for an HD dvr and 15 HD channels
[01:08:28] irq: they don't provide a tivo-branded dvr, and aside from myth, that's the only kind of dvr i'll use
[01:08:38] irq: i can buy a hd-tivo that will work with their stuff, but it's $800 or $600 on ebay
[01:08:45] Tanthrix: You are right. The comcast DVR is the buggiest POS I've ever used
[01:08:51] irq: which is $800 more than i have to spend right now, as i paid $200 for this receiver i can't use
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[01:12:40] Tanthrix: irq: Any way your friend will take it back?
[01:13:08] irq: well, probably, but i don't want to ask him to, as it was just sitting in his garage for a year (he can't use it, he lives in an apartment with no way to install a dish)
[01:13:10] irq: also, he's my boss
[01:13:24] irq: i can sell it on ebay though, for $200 roughly
[01:13:41] irq: but i'll probably keep it, because it still looks better than my older directivo which used svideo (this one uses hdmi)
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[01:18:05] Captain_Murdoch: irq: had he had service on the box before or was it still brand new and unactivated?
[01:18:25] irq: he had service for over a year, which was the length of his commitment
[01:24:38] jd99: Mythtv seems to check ~/.mythtv/lircrc if ~/.lircrc does not exist. This is fine, but I'm trying to get multiple frontends running under one user. This is working, but I don't think (could be my error) mythtv is checking the respective MYTHCONFDIR folder as specified... anyone else seen this?
[01:31:02] cesman: there is no if, mythtv uses ~/.mythtv/lircrc not ~/.lircrc
[01:31:09] jroysdon: hey, is cx23416 a normally supported chipset for MythTV? One place reports it as using the blackbird driver, which I thought didn't have support...
[01:32:02] jd99: cesman, alright, sorry, but it should use MYTHCONFDIR/lircrc right?
[01:32:19] jd99: I just thought I saw in logs it was looking for ~/.lircrc, I must have been mistaken.
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[01:34:39] cesman: you don't have to apology to me
[01:34:55] jd99: cesman, must be my mistake actually, it looks like should be looking in conf dir
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[01:36:17] jd99: But... my c++ isn't all that great, and I don't know if this is the right place... but QString config_file = MythContext::GetConfDir() + "/lircrc"; if (!QFile::exists(config_file)) config_file = QDir::homeDirPath() + "/.lircrc"; it looks like it is checking the conf dir from mythtv, and if that fails going to ~/.lircrc (backwards from what I said) I need to figure out why it didn't go into the confdir at all for me.
[01:36:35] cesman: jroysdon: mythtv doesn't care about the chipset perse...most anything support by v4l/v4l2, ivtv, dvb and a few others should work
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[02:13:21] jd99: Aha, this all was my fault. I spoke too soon.
[02:23:21] ubuntuEdgy: hi
[02:23:53] ubuntuEdgy: any one here ?
[02:25:05] ubuntuEdgy: im trying to setup ACPIwake
[02:25:53] ubuntuEdgy: but i cant seem to change the year on the bose alarm clock ,cat /proc/acpi/alarm2005-04–16 20:07:20
[02:26:23] ubuntuEdgy: i always get 2005 or some other strange number ?
[02:30:04] ubuntuEdgy: i have solved it :)
[02:30:12] ubuntuEdgy: bye
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[03:15:44] vegeat: anyone here have charter digital cable with mythtv?
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[03:34:43] sandeen_: hrm how can I set a recording to always just record the latest, non-rerun version of a show...
[03:34:55] sandeen_: I had shows on "this time every week" but then scrubs moved dammit :)
[03:35:00] sandeen_: yet, my tivo still caught it
[03:36:37] cesman: you want record at anytime on this channel
[03:36:44] jasmarc: can i watch live tv without it trying to cache it? i just rigged up a proof of concept setup but don't have the necessary disk space yet and its failing to 'watch tv' because its trying to record
[03:37:03] cesman: it won't record a show that is already recorded unless you tell it to
[03:37:36] ubuntuEdgy: can any one please help me with a # MythShutdownCheck script for the backend
[03:38:05] cesman: jasmarc: it _must_ cache that is how a PVR works
[03:38:22] cesman: that is how you can pause, review, etc
[03:38:41] cesman: if you want, you can use another program like xawtv for livetv
[03:38:51] cesman: check the mythtv archives for details...
[03:38:54] jasmarc: cesman yeah... i see.... the default setup wanted an extra gig of space so i cranked that down to zero to see if it would help
[03:39:11] sandeen_: cesman, but any time on this channel will probably catch non-first-runs...
[03:39:15] sandeen_: well, I suppose that's better
[03:39:25] ubuntuEdgy: i have found a scipt but i need help to make it specific for my needs http://pastebin.ca/442280
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[03:40:09] cesman: hound: sorry, I stepped away
[03:40:21] ubuntuEdgy: i need it to check if there is any shh sessions connected or ftp it not the computer can turn off
[03:40:31] cesman: hound: I use the default (whatever it is)
[03:40:42] ubuntuEdgy: too much to ask ?
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[03:42:25] cesman: The source is open.... There is never such a thing a too much to ask.
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[04:05:05] sandeen_: can anyone make mythflix properly add/delete from your queue?
[04:24:26] ** sandeen_ fixes cookies & makes it work **
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[05:21:55] Alam_Debian: since Feb 24, my ubuntu Edgy Mythtv server stopped recording shows, I think It was due to an update of mythtv packages, can anyone help me reset my MythTV database?
[05:31:06] ubuntuEdgy: can any one help me with this ? Forbidden
[05:31:06] ubuntuEdgy: You don't have permission to access /mythweb/data/music/
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[05:42:17] xris: ubuntuEdgy: pretty straightforward permissions error
[05:43:56] cesman: probably an incorrect symlink in the ubuntu package that isn't pointing to the accurate location of your music directory...
[05:44:13] cesman: xris: ready for the fest?
[05:44:16] ** xris can't wait until .21 comes out and these errors just go away **
[05:44:18] xris: cesman: 2 weeks.  :)
[05:44:24] cesman: :)