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Friday, March 30th, 2007, 00:05 UTC

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TheAsp:

tank-man: was that to me?

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tank-man:

yes

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TheAsp:

well, i've done some things, but not sure how it's going to work with a mix of tuners and such

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Kritter:

anyone got a good readme for getting dvd playback to work?

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Kritter:

ie the stuff that offically isn't possible?

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Kritter:

evermind that was a one liner

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dj_segfault:

Hey. I have some incorrect tv listings in my database (filled from zap2it). I see on the zap2it web tv listings the correct data. Just running mythfilldatabase didn't fix my data. Does the --refresh-today option tell it to overwrite the data it already has for today?

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pac1:

ok now I'm recording at 720x480 but when I archive to dvd in mytharchive, the recording of 1 hr takes only 355mb. Why is that happening?

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Kritter:

transcoding down to divx?

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pac1:

not sure what its doing.

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Kritter:

I just want to know why I can't pause or exit in mythvideo

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pac1:

I want a regular dvd I can play on my dvd player.

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pac1:

Kritter, maybe. The dvd player won't even recognize the dvd.

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pac1:

how do I tell what I've got?

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Kritter:

put the dvd in your usual computer and have a look at it

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alsoconfused:

pac1: it sounds like you selected the wrong profile in mytharchive.

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Kritter:

if it doesn't have a Video_TS folder etc it's not a 'dvd'

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pac1:

alsoconfused, probably.

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pac1:

but it does.

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pac1:

player wants to initialize the disk though.

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pac1:

alsoconfused, I do not think I asked for divx.

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alsoconfused:

pac1: do you have the disk mounted now?

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pac1:

yep,.

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alsoconfused:

try: file /your-cdrom-path/VIDEO_TS/*

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pac1:

AUDIO_TS VIDEO_TS

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pac1:

file ./VIDEO_TS

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pac1:

./VIDEO_TS: directory

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pac1:

oops no *

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livingtm:

I just compiled from svn, but when i run mythfront end i get "mythfrontend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"

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pac1:

we got .bup, .ifo .vob

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livingtm:

libmythtv-0.20.so.0 exists in /usr/local/lib

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pac1:

then VTS_01_0.bup and ifo for the myth titles.

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alsoconfused:

pac1: you should see vobs: (MPEG sequence, v2, program multiplex), bups and ifos (Video title set, v10)

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pac1:

and .vob MPEG sequence, v2, program multiplex

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pac1:

I can play these, but the quality is just awful.

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pac1:

blocky and blurred.

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pac1:

Probably looks great on a cell phone.

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pac1:

8 to 1 compression too. 2g down to 350mb.

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pac1:

original is great.

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pac1:

This codecs.conf is too old and incompatible with this MPlayer release! at line 6

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pac1:

Playing /dvd.

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pac1:

Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll

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pac1:

Seek failed

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alsoconfused:

pac1: that's weird. what was the exact mplayer command you used?

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dj_segfault:

Hey. I have some incorrect tv listings in my database (filled from zap2it). I see on the zap2it web tv listings the correct data. Just running mythfilldatabase didn't fix my data. Niether did --refresh-today. Does that option tell it to overwrite the data it already has for today? Is there a way to see what zap2it is sending mythfilldatabase to see if it's their problem or mine?

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pac1:

mplayer -identify /dvd

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alsoconfused:

pac /dvd isn't a valid pathname for the file. you need the whole thing. e.g. /mnt/cdrom/VIDEO_TS/vts_01_1.vob

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pac1:

ok that's running now.

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pac1:

bad picture just like in myth.

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alsoconfused:

pac1: mplayer should have printed out info about the file. look at the resolution and bitrate.

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ectospasm:

if an analog video capture card (like the PVR-500) requires a sound card to capture audio, where do I get that audio from?

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pac1:

VDec: vo config request – 720 x 480 (preferred colorspace: Mpeg PES)Could not find matching colorspace – retrying with -vf scale...

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pac1:

nothing like a video bitrate shows up.

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pac1:

just audio.

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alsoconfused:

pac1: did you use the -identify ?

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pac1:

yes.

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pac1:

oh wait. there...

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pac1:

VIDEO: MPEG2 720x480 (aspect 2) 29.970 fps 9000.0 kbps (1125.0 kbyte/s)

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pac1:

ID_VIDEO_BITRATE=9000000

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pac1:

ID_VIDEO_FPS=29.970

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alsoconfused:

pac1: those are good high numbers, i'd expect good quality from that.

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alsoconfused:

do you transcode your recordings?

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pac1:

if its 1125 kbyte/s, why only 325 mb for an hour? Should be about 2gigs.

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alsoconfused:

pac1: right. is the whole hour present?

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pac1:

I think so, but Ihaven't sat through the whole thing.

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alsoconfused:

actually, it should be about 4 gig. can you seek thru the file in mplayer?

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pac1:

how do you seek in mplayer

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alsoconfused:

use 'o' to turn on the on-screen display, then use arrows to seek forward,backward

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jd86:

[mpeg2video @ 0xb75b5728]ac-tex damaged at 21 9 [mpeg2video @ 0xb75b5728]Warning MVs not available do these crash backend? i believe I was told they are from poor quality signal — but do they just fill logs or actually crash backend?

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pac1:

all the way to credits. Right arrow.... (doh!)

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pac1:

so its all there.

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pac1:

but its too small.

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Kritter:

well if I spawn mplayer to play an .avi I have no control at all

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Kritter:

have to kill mplayer from a shell.

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pac1:

gotta run. bedtime....

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alsoconfused:

pac1: ok, good luck

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Kritter:

which is pretty damn unfriendly of it.

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pac1:

Thanks for the advice folks, I'm incrementally more knowlegable...

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alsoconfused:

++pac1

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pac1:

+= anyway.

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jamesonq__:

i just installed mythtv on my linux computer.. its a 3200+ athlon with geforce 6200 PCIe, 512mb pc-4200 ram

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jamesonq__:

and a 200gb IDE hard disk

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jamesonq__:

when I watch live tv on mythtv

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degreseven:

jd86, i get them in my logs too, they don't crash backend here

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jamesonq__:

it stutters like every 3 seconds

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jd86:

degreseven, alright... must be somethin else

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alsoconfused:

jd86: i've had them mess up the frontend but not the backend IIRC

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jamesonq__:

how do i fix the stuttering?

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degreseven:

jd86, it is just a warning, so i assume it's not fatal =)

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jd86:

alsoconfused, thanks — I didn't think so.. must be related to problem i had on MBE but did not update on SBE

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jamesonq__:

i created a second xfs partition to save the video to trying to fix this, but im still having the problem

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Kritter:

did you adjust pci latency? drm settings?

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jamesonq__:

no i'm not familiar with that

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jamesonq__:

i'm pretty sure its related to the hard drive

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alsoconfused:

jamesonq__: what makes you think that?

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jamesonq__:

because when the screen stutters i can hear the hard drive 'grind' for a second

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jamesonq__:

at that same moment

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alsoconfused:

jamesonq__: what bitrate are you using? is something else doing heavy disk IO?

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jamesonq__:

no, i dont know about the bitrate

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jamesonq__:

the only thing running is gnome and mythtv

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jamesonq__:

its a totally blank ubuntu installation

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alsoconfused:

how much memory in the box?

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jamesonq__:

512mb

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jamesonq__:

which isnt even being used

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alsoconfused:

ok

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alsoconfused:

is it stuttering on playback, livetv, or both?

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jamesonq__:

livetv only

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jamesonq__:

and if i pause, and resume.. even then it stutters

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jamesonq__:

its like.. if im recording.. it stutters

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alsoconfused:

are the frontend and backend running in terminals?

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jamesonq__:

backend is daemonized i think

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jamesonq__:

frontend is running from a terminal

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alsoconfused:

i'd run the backend in a terminal and see if there are any warning or errors. also try copying a big file to and from the myth partition.

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jamesonq__:

hm

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degreseven:

jamesonq__, when you say the hdd grinds, is that a "normal" grind, or a dying grind?

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jamesonq__:

can i quickly change the source inpt btw

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jamesonq__:

just a normal kind of sound hard drives make

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degreseven:

lol, k

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jamesonq__:

i can only hear it because the cover is off

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alsoconfused:

more like a belt sander actually

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jamesonq__:

i know the HD is good

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degreseven:

you can run a quick benchmark on your drive to make sure it's not running horribly slow for some reason

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jamesonq__:

ok how

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degreseven:

hdparm -tT /dev/hdx

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jamesonq__:

becaust i fear it might be

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degreseven:

should give you timing for reads & writes

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jamesonq__:

ok

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jamesonq__:

what kind of times should i expect

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degreseven:

depends on what kind of drive it is

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degreseven:

post the speeds

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jamesonq__:

cached reads 1.2 GB/sec buffers reas 2.5 MB/sec

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degreseven:

2.5 MB/sec ?

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alsoconfused:

yuck. probably dma=0

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jamesonq__:

how do i check

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degreseven:

yeah, mine is about 1200 MB/s =P

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jamesonq__:

for buffered disk reads?

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degreseven:

yeah

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degreseven:

what's the write?

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jamesonq__:

dma is off

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jamesonq__:

thats what the problem is

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jamesonq__:

i dont know why it is off

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jamesonq__:

but it is

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jamesonq__:

i know its enabled in the bios

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degreseven:

hdparm -d /dev/hda

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degreseven:

should enable it

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jamesonq__:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

try to turn it on, if you are root and it says permission denied

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GreyFoxx:

then your kernel doesn't support your IDE controller

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jamesonq__:

degre: that just prints that it is off, doesnt enable it

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alsoconfused:

-d1

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degreseven:

er, hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda

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degreseven:

sorry

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degreseven:

hdparm -d 1 -A 1 -m 16 -u 1 -a 64 /dev/hda

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jamesonq__:

ok

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degreseven:

should help performance a little

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degreseven:

& should also be safe

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degreseven:

then do hdparm -tT /dev/hda again, see if it improves

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jamesonq__:

ionvalid argument to dma hrm

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degreseven:

just activate dma then, & run the test again

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jamesonq__:

cant

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jamesonq__:

it says invalid argument

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GreyFoxx:

jamesonq__: can you paste the commandline+oputput to pastebin.ca ?

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degreseven:

hdparm -tT /dev/hda says invalid argument?

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jamesonq__:

HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid Argument

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jamesonq__:

no

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jamesonq__:

hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda1

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degreseven:

just /dev/hda

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jamesonq__:

o

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degreseven:

you're setting it for the drive, not the partition

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jamesonq__:

i see

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jamesonq__:

operation not permitted

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ner0x:

I'm having some troubles getting MythTv working. Biggest concern is getting my card to work properly and the file error I get.

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jamesonq__:

sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda

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degreseven:

k, your kernel may not support your ide controller

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GreyFoxx:

If your root and are getting that then your kernel doesn't support the IDE controller and either needs to be recompiled or updated

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jamesonq__:

ah good

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jamesonq__:

its um

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jamesonq__:

10.6 ubuntu

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GreyFoxx:

That doesn't really tell us anything :)

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Torg:

what does lspci tell you your IDE controler is?

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degreseven:

uname -r

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jamesonq__:

2.6.17-10-generic

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GreyFoxx:

unless you are running some bleeding edge board it's likely just something not compiled into the kernel

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degreseven:

yeah, the kernel is fairly recent, you prob just need to enable support for your controller & recompile it

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jamesonq__:

lspci IDE Interface: SiS

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jamesonq__:

ok

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Torg:

it tells you more then just SiS or it should

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jamesonq__:

well it spells out what SiS stands for

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Torg:

altho I belive all the SiS chipsets are supported as of 2.2 and greater

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Torg:

Silicon Systems its a chip maker

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degreseven:

you can do lspci -v or -vv or -vvv for different levels of verbosity

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jamesonq__:

SiS 5513 IDE (rev 01)

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Torg:

what model is the harddrive in the primary master (hda)?

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jamesonq__:

maxtor i think

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Torg:

this is an Asus bord I assume?

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jamesonq__:

foxconn mobo

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degreseven:

grep BLK_DEV_SIS5513 /usr/src/linux/.config

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Torg:

lsmod | grep sis5513

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Torg:

what does that tell you?

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jamesonq__:

sis5513 16538 1

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degreseven:

ah, there ya go =)

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jamesonq__:

>_>

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degreseven:

well i dont know why it won't let you enable dma then

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Torg:

http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3511

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Torg:

dmesg | grep SIS5513

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Torg:

does it tell you anything intersting?

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jamesonq__:

not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later

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jamesonq__:

is that interesting?

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jamesonq__:

i don't know much about hardware sorry

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Torg:

use trun off ACPI for your system and reboot

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Torg:

you can *HOPE* that fixes it

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jamesonq__:

hrm

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jamesonq__:

how

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Torg:

altho it may cause other issues

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Torg:

realy you need to replace that motherbord

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Torg:

do you know how to turn off acpi on boot?

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jamesonq__:

no

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jamesonq__:

kernel argument?

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Torg:

yes

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jamesonq__:

what is the argument

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jamesonq__:

i remember seeing it once before

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jamesonq__:

acpi=off maybe

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jamesonq__:

just a guess

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Torg:

I belive so im lookng it up

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jamesonq__:

this motherboard does suck

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jamesonq__:

foxconn, ive never heard of

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jamesonq__:

and it costs $15 i think

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jamesonq__:

not because it is old or used.. thats just the price

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Torg:

price isnt the issue, chipset is

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Torg:

when you buy hardware, intended for use in link, pay attention to what chipset it uses

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jamesonq__:

sis is problematic in nix?

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Torg:

yes

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jamesonq__:

ic

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Torg:

if they *say* its supported check the chipset

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Torg:

if they DONT say its supporteed check the chipset

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jamesonq__:

this is the second issue ive had with it

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jamesonq__:

i can not get SATA drives to work with it

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Torg:

you can often get a device to work with a chipset driver

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jamesonq__:

had to use IDe

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Torg:

booting from SATA can have the same kind of isues, again its driver related

[02:49:16]

jamesonq__:

not even booting from sata

[02:49:18]

jamesonq__:

just mounting it

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Torg:

thats a driver for SATA

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jamesonq__:

the driver was there i think.. anyway it doesnt matter

[02:49:50]

jamesonq__:

i dont mind using IDE

[02:49:51]

Torg:

much in the same way your system loaded the sis drive it will load the chipset driver for the SATA, *IF* it exists

[02:50:04]

Torg:

and that must be in the boot image, not just the OS

[02:50:10]

Torg:

that is, if you want to boot from it

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jamesonq__:

linux acpi=off noacpi

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Torg:

try booting with pci-noacpi

[02:50:58]

Torg:

ls /dev/devices are there any listed with IRQs greater then 15?

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jamesonq__:

i dont know im booting right now

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Torg:

duhh /proc/devices :)

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jamesonq__:

if this doesnt work i'll try pci-noacpi

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Torg:

cant cat it not ls it

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jamesonq__:

dont know why i installed ubuntu for this

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jamesonq__:

i hate this distro

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Torg:

damn it tiers, cat /proc/interrupts

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jamesonq__:

well hate is a strong word.. i prefer fedora

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Torg:

you may need to kill apic too

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Torg:

this inst a distro thing, well mostly not, its a kernel thing

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jamesonq__:

i know

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jamesonq__:

but this is making it worse

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jamesonq__:

having to use ubuntu

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jamesonq__:

for example the graphics driver is uninstalling itself every reboot

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jamesonq__:

which i did erxactly the same way on fedora with no issues

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jamesonq__:

there is no root user on ubuntu

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jamesonq__:

which imo is a security issue, and annoying

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degreseven:

so..... why are you using ubuntu? =P

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jamesonq__:

runlevel 3 doesnt exist

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jamesonq__:

if you want to run without X you actually have to kill gdm

[02:53:55]

jamesonq__:

i have no idea

[02:53:58]

jamesonq__:

its an excellent question

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alsoconfused:

jamesonq__: maybe runlevel 2 would work

[02:54:36]

jamesonq__:

dma still off with noacpi options

[02:54:39]

jamesonq__:

nope

[02:54:46]

jamesonq__:

runlevel 1–3 doesnt work

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jamesonq__:

it tried

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jamesonq__:

yeah i cant set dma 1 with acpi off

[02:55:11]

jamesonq__:

how do i check that acpi is really off?

[02:55:51]

degreseven:

at least you know what the problem is now =)

[02:55:54]

xris:

jamesonq__: there is always a root user.. ubuntu actually does things the *proper* way and has you use sudo.

[02:56:11]

xris:

`sudo su -` will give you root, and you can run passwd if you want to give it a password and allow login, etc.

[02:57:07]

xris:

that's one of the few things I actually like about ubuntu over fedora.

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jamesonq__:

yeah thanks i know how to do it

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jamesonq__:

i just dont like it

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jamesonq__:

occasionally i actually want to log in as root

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xris:

jamesonq__: then do s

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xris:

so

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hads:

Use sudo -s or sudo -i

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jamesonq__:

what is the problem degreseven?

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jamesonq__:

im still pretty lost

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hads:

`sudo -s == su` and `sudo -i` == `su -`

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alsoconfused:

jamesonq__: the problem is you have no dma support on that ide controller

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hads:

Erm, ignore those first backtiks :)

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jamesonq__:

oh

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jamesonq__:

ok

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xris:

jamesonq__: it's not sata, is it?

[03:00:08]

jamesonq__:

no

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jamesonq__:

i notice also the display is very poor quality

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jamesonq__:

in mythtv

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jamesonq__:

much worse than using tvtime

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xris:

jamesonq__: that's up to your recording profiles and video card

[03:02:04]

jamesonq__:

geforce 6200 LE

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xris:

and what codec/bitrate are you encoding at?

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jamesonq__:

im talking about live tv though

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xris:

add "resolution" to that, too

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jamesonq__:

i am not sure

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xris:

jamesonq__: it's all recorded in mythtv

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jamesonq__:

ok yea i guess so

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jamesonq__:

its just recorded and displayed a few seconds later

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hads:

No need to guess, xris just told you :)

[03:03:55]

jamesonq__:

so damn, what do i do to get dma support

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alsoconfused:

jamesonq__: i wonder if you could assign a low interrupt to the ide controller in the bios

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xris:

upgrade hard drive and/or controller?

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jamesonq__:

i dont think the hard dirve is the issue

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jamesonq__:

and i'd like to avoid replacing the motherboard

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jamesonq__:

if at all possible

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xris:

what gen board? (processor type?)

[03:05:23]

hads:

PCI controller?

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jamesonq__:

its socket 775 mobo

[03:05:53]

jamesonq__:

fairly new

[03:06:03]

** Kritter said dma, woot. **

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jamesonq__:

i know it supports dma

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Kritter:

I just want better picture out of my 500.

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alsoconfused:

Kritter: is it running 740x480?

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alsoconfused:

i mean 720x480

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Kritter:

that sounds like pal

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alsoconfused:

Kritter: just set it to maximum resolution

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Kritter:

I'm ntsc, and I'm not sure what it's running at other than I last had X set at 640x480 to work with the crappy old monitor I set it up with.

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alsoconfused:

Kritter: i'm talking about the resolution in the capture card setup.

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Kritter:

where am I checking that?

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xris:

jamesonq__: weird...

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alsoconfused:

Kritter: i forget. one sec.

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** Kritter is willing to research it himself if you want to just say rtfm. :) **

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Kritter:

I also plan on using a different/better cable.

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alsoconfused:

recording profiles i believe

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jamesonq__:

how can i check that my kernel supports dma

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Kritter:

it's a swimming across the screen that is evil.

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alsoconfused:

Kritter: if you have a bad signal, nothing will help. but once you get that cleared up, go to setup->tv-settings->recording profiles and make sure the relevant profile is set to 720x480

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Kritter:

I see 3 profiles, livetv, high quality and low quality, maybe even default.

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t0ny-p40:

Wtf, there is a show I want to watch it's website says its on, the tv channel's website says its on, mythtv says its on but there is some infocommercal for booty blaster or something...

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alsoconfused:

Kritter: i found best results just setting them all to 720x480 and using bitrate to control file size.

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Kritter:

any thoughts on stream type?

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alsoconfused:

mpeg 2-ps

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Kritter:

well I might be convinced that's slightly better.

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alsoconfused:

you'll have to get a clean signal in before you'll know.

[03:17:32]

Kritter:

I still see some lines but I suspect that's cables etc cause I remember fighting with this sort of picture issue without a pvr.

[03:17:59]

Kritter:

and as the unit is not in it's home I've just got a cable strung across the floor.

[03:18:09]

Kritter:

have yet to buy my remote etc.

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alsoconfused:

Kritter: pvr-500 didn't come with a remote?

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Kritter:

nope

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Kritter:

white box

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alsoconfused:

oh

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Kritter:

yeah, what can you do.

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alsoconfused:

was it available with a remote? how much extra?

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Kritter:

was not at the store I bought everything at

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alsoconfused:

i'm happy enough with the one i got with the pvr-250

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Kritter:

well I think I'm done tinkering for the night. Thanks very much alsoconfused, and everyone else tossing in ideas. :) I'll likely be unidle tomorrow with a remote.

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Hoochster:

Anyone knwo what the query would be in sql to move 2 sourceid's channels to the end of the list? I have a problem where my offset channels are still showing up in the original order so when flipping through channels it goes between sources, and I don't want it to.

[03:36:14]

Torg:

update

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Hoochster:

just type update?

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hads:

heh

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Torg:

HAHA no update is the sql command

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Torg:

insert, update, select, delte

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Torg:

err delete

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Hoochster:

I know that much heh but that will do it ehh

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Torg:

thats abut all sql is

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Torg:

well when you say move, I can take that as reasign sourceid or display it at the end

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hads:

Yeah, once you know what table and column you want to update it's easy as pie.

[03:37:18]

Hoochster:

display it at the end

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Torg:

if its a display it in whatever , you want an ORDER BY for the SELECt

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Torg:

if you want to reassign it you need to use na UPDATE command to change the ID

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Torg:

which do you want? and what are the two channels specificlly?

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Hoochster:

looking and update is what I did to offset them

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Hoochster:

but it kept the order so that's what I have to change is what u are saying. will experiment thanks

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Torg:

update channel set chanid=whaever where chanid-whatever

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Torg:

err =

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Hoochster:

which in past has been fine

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Hoochster:

it basically offset in a matter of speaking all channels on those 2 sources by 10k

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Hoochster:

but this time for some reason it offset them no prob but still kept them channel order wise as if they weren't offset

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Torg:

update chanid set chanid=chainid+10000

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Torg:

that would chnge every channel

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Hoochster:

hmm never had a prob but never had this prob before either lol so could be

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Hoochster:

it seems to tune everything fine just not ordering them correctly anymore

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Torg:

order is via callsign or chanid

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Torg:

order has nothing to do with how to tune

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Hoochster:

did this change recently, in trunk?

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Hoochster:

I understand what u are saying with the pmt part but just how the ordering is handled?

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Torg:

channum, freq and or mplex id is used to tune

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Torg:

depends on your card tho

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Hoochster:

ya I am using DVB for satellite, and pretty sure it uses SID's and such to actually do the tuning.

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Torg:

yes I take it from your quesiton what you are doing, and why you want to move them

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Torg:

and specifly your DVB-S card used channum and mplex to tune thats it

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Hoochster:

1 sec torg

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hjohnson:

there's also the novra S75 which just dumps the DVB-S out over UDP

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Torg:

hjohnson where?

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Hoochster:

hjohnson what do you mean?

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hjohnson:

Torg: I don't know where you can buy it.

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Torg:

hehe its waxnt a type I thougt you were refering to a nova-s dvb-s card :P

[03:50:11]

Torg:

I thought you mystyped it

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Hoochster:

heh I assumed as well

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hjohnson:

Hoochster: Novra S75 DVB-S receiver... it's got an L-Band IF connection, and ethernet output.

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Torg:

AFAIK a nova-S is a pci DVB-S card and uses DVB drivers

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Hoochster:

correct torg

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hjohnson:

ok, I need to buy the lens before the end of the week..

[03:51:09]

hjohnson:

otherwise BH Photovideo won't ship it.

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Hoochster:

are u referring to just a standalone receiver hjohnson most do have the network port for updates

[03:51:38]

hjohnson:

Hoochster: no, not an IRD... it has no analog ports.

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Torg:

hjohnson are there linux dvb drivers or similar for it?

[03:52:06]

hjohnson:

http://www.novra.com/s75.htm

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Torg:

it *IS* an IRD, analog has nothing to do with it

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hjohnson:

it doesn't do decoding. :)

[03:52:23]

hjohnson:

it's just a receiver.

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Torg:

does it have a CAM and/or CI?

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Hoochster:

interesting, it is basically like an hdhomerun

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Hoochster:

but in dvb heh

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hjohnson:

Torg: no.

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hjohnson:

so it can only pull in FTA

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Torg:

damn

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Torg:

I want a dvb-s that can use a CI and a nagra cam

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Torg:

im nearly certain nobody can make one tho

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hjohnson:

Torg: how much are you willing to spend?

[03:54:35]

Torg:

I belive what you are refering to is a softcam, and im not going to use one

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hjohnson:

Torg: no, i'm not.

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Torg:

then what?

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Torg:

becase all I can do now is use an IRD and analog imputs

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hjohnson:

you can get something like a Scopus IRD with an SDI output.

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Torg:

unles I find a capture card with compsite or something im stuck

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hjohnson:

but then you have to capture SDI.

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Torg:

do you know of a SDI capture card?

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hjohnson:

yeah, but it's in the four figures.

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Torg:

ok something in the $200–300 range please :)

[03:56:18]

hjohnson:

then no.

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Torg:

hell the whole box only cost like $500

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Torg:

im not about to put some dvb cards in it that cost more then the damn system did

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hjohnson:

heh.

[03:57:06]

hjohnson:

like I said "how much are you willing to spend."

[04:00:00]

hjohnson:

don't think so.

[04:00:27]

hjohnson:

the only way you'll ever pull off of Dish/DirectTV is through the analog hole.

[04:00:37]

hjohnson:

speaking of dish, they got pissed off at me a few days ago.

[04:00:48]

Torg:

why?

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hjohnson:

I put up a rather strong narrow-band carrier on Echostar 9, on the wrong polarization...

[04:01:05]

hjohnson:

oops.

[04:01:33]

Torg:

you uplinked to a sat?

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hjohnson:

I work for company that builds uplinks. :)

[04:02:19]

Torg:

ahh :)

[04:02:30]

Torg:

I was going to ask how muc your power company loved you :)

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hjohnson:

heh.

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Torg:

I get mpeg artifccts all the time on DN, and I get a consistandt 99% signal from them

[04:03:29]

hjohnson:

the dish only sucks about 400W while transmitting.

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Torg:

I belive half the time its DN techs screwing up, not enviromental

[04:03:45]

hjohnson:

Torg: those percentages aren't all that useful.

[04:03:54]

hjohnson:

it's all about Eb/No

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Torg:

tell me how to get it from my reciver and ill tell you what it is :P

[04:04:25]

Torg:

I have a 1 meter dish and live in texas

[04:04:36]

Torg:

hell aim it "sorta near" the slot and it works

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hjohnson:

what kind of receiver is it?

[04:05:24]

hjohnson:

oh, a dish network one, duh..

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Torg:

a dp500

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Torg:

yes a DN one :P

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hjohnson:

yeah, don't know if you can get it off of that.

[04:06:16]

Torg:

im half debating dropping my DN, but the wife loves the basic channels

[04:06:29]

Torg:

I droped my premium subscritiopn about 2 years ago

[04:06:44]

Torg:

I want HD but I need a new reciver and pay more

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hjohnson:

yeah, I know how to pull it from pro receivers

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Torg:

and when I do I still cant get the signal to my myth box, except for analog

[04:07:45]

hjohnson:

yeah, you never will, given the limitations that DN puts n thier signals

[04:08:16]

Torg:

its an IRD limitation not a signal one

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Torg:

that and a "what DN thinks a DVR is, sucks" issue

[04:09:01]

hjohnson:

yes

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hjohnson:

and they control the receiver... and the CM

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hjohnson:

at least they're running DVB-S, even though it's encrypted

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Torg:

and they encrupt local brodcasts

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hjohnson:

yep

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hjohnson:

they're not required to make it unencrypted

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Torg:

yes I know

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Torg:

there also not required to provide firewire output

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hjohnson:

nope

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Torg:

I wish they were, but knowing DN they would circumvent it somehow anyway

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Torg:

I was also under the impression expoprting crypto outside the US was illegal

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Torg:

they do tht too

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hjohnson:

no, it's not illegal at all

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hjohnson:

it's just regulated

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hjohnson:

I use the DN carriers all the time though for satellite finding.. even though they're scrambled, any old DVB-S receiver can lock to them.

[04:14:46]

Torg:

since its simply analog I cant tell what its looking at, just strength

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Torg:

btw this has nothing to do with mythtv tho :)

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confuzed:

Hello everyone, any chance someone can tell my why my 20.1 frontend won't play a h.264 encoded mp4 file?

[05:14:39]

confuzed:

wow, quiet in here tonite... people must actually be watching their mythboxen

[05:16:37]

ner0x:

confuzed: I can't get it to work either way. hah

[05:16:44]

onewheelskyward:

I am. :)

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onewheelskyward:

M*A*S*H

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confuzed:

lol... I guess it's late in your part of the world too then

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onewheelskyward:

si...22:17

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confuzed:

So no one can tell me if there is simply some dependancy or something I need to play h.264 videos with mythvideo. I currently just get a black screen and no audio. I am using the internal player and haven't tried mplayer yet.

[05:19:21]

onewheelskyward:

Sounds like a codec problem, but I don't do h.264...isn't that mpeg-4?

[05:19:25]

confuzed:

Central timezone then onewheel.

[05:19:44]

onewheelskyward:

Pacific, actually. PDT.

[05:19:49]

confuzed:

yeah it's mpeg4 but it's encoded a little differently

[05:20:15]

onewheelskyward:

How did you install myth?

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confuzed:

I used some prebuilt binaries for Ubuntu IIRC

[05:20:55]

onewheelskyward:

But not the built-in package installer?

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onewheelskyward:

err not the mythtv-suite available in the default package manager?

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confuzed:

you mean apt?... I don't think it had a 20.1 frontend binary in the repository at the time

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ectospasm:

I read that the PVR-500 has an audio encoder on it, does that mean that it will encode the mpeg2 files with audio?

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confuzed:

yep

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onewheelskyward:

what is 20.1?

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onewheelskyward:

.20-fixes?

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confuzed:

ahh.. yeah

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onewheelskyward:

ectospasm: My PVR-350 gives me just what you asked there.

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ectospasm:

confuzed: so I won't need to do a kludgy connection from the sound card to the capture card

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onewheelskyward:

ectospasm: No you won't need that.

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confuzed:

I have seen it referred to both ways

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ectospasm:

onewheelskyward: according to the install guide, the PVR-350 is special in that regard. I'm just wondering if it's outdated

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onewheelskyward:

Oh really? Interesting.

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onewheelskyward:

There are a few 500 users that hang out here, just not right this moment. :)

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confuzed:

ectospasm: the pvr-350 is unqiue in that it will playback in hardware. Essentially its the same as the 250, but has a decoder and TV out on it.

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ectospasm:

which I don't think I need

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confuzed:

the 500 is 2 150's which are about the same as the 250 as far as capabilities are concerned.

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ectospasm:

do you get two tuners with the 250?

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confuzed:

ectospasm: no... 250 is a single tuner... was the first one out

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ner0x:

So can someone be kind enough to newegg a great card that works flawlessly? :)

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achew22:

there is a channel called MythIPTV does myth now in the SVN have iptv support?

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confuzed:

ner0x: The only tuner card I recommend for standard cable/broadcast recording is the pvr-150/250/350/500

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ner0x:

pvr-500 being the best correct?

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achew22:

ner0x, depends on what your doing

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confuzed:

ner0x: not really... it's essentially 2 150's in one card

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ner0x:

I want to watch Comcast Digital Cable while being able to TV out to my actual TV.

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confuzed:

the 350 is "the best" only because it has a TV out and Mpeg Decoder built in... but it can be tricky to use

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ectospasm:

yeah, since the mobo I'm looking at only has one PCI slot

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confuzed:

ner0x: get a pvr-150 or two and a decent nvidia graphics card with tv out

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achew22:

confuzed, I don't like the 350 its just as easy to get a decent nvidia with mpeg decoder

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ner0x:

confuzed: nvidia TV out is horrible. :-/

[05:30:39]

confuzed:

ner0x: I love my fx5200

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achew22:

ner0x, I really like my geforce 2 onboard

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LoneShadow:

now I wish my fx5200 had DVI =/

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LoneShadow:

DVI would be so much better than s-video

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confuzed:

ner0x: I think, short of a matrox g200, your not likely to find a better supported video card in most linux distros

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ner0x:

I have a FX 5900 XTV with DVI and S-Video, I don't know which to use though. lol

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ner0x:

confuzed: Don't get me wrong, I love nvidia. :)

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LoneShadow:

is your fx5900 small form factor + AGP ?

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ner0x:

LoneShadow: No, big guy. lol

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LoneShadow:

aah

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confuzed:

ner0x: ATI's driver support is not so good... so Nvidia is really the only way

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achew22:

don't forget via onboard

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confuzed:

LoneShadow: mine is half height if thats what you mean

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LoneShadow:

my new HDTV takes in VGA, I found VGA better than s-video

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ner0x:

confuzed: I agree. ATI's tv out is better imo

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achew22:

LoneShadow, I love the VGA in on my TV

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LoneShadow:

but I want to use DVI to HDMI cable and see if its better

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confuzed:

that is indeed the best way... VGA or DVI

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confuzed:

Well just installed a new kernel and need to get my remote working... again.

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ner0x:

I have a card but I can't figure out what kind it is! It's rather annoying.

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LoneShadow:

any of you guys using torrents on your mythtv setup ?

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achew22:

LoneShadow, in what way?

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LoneShadow:

wondering if you guys use cli method or gui app

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achew22:

neither

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ner0x:

HOw can I quickly tell which card I have?

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LoneShadow:

lspci

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achew22:

lspci

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ner0x:

02:05.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)

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achew22:

LoneShadow, I use TorrentFlux its a php/python torrent program

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ner0x:

I still don't know how to configure it. :-/

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achew22:

ner0x, do you have IVTV installed?

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ner0x:

achew22: Yes, but I think there are errors.

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achew22:

ivtv-detect

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ner0x:

I don't have that command?

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achew22:

ls /dev | grep video

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LoneShadow:

achew22: torrentflux does look nice, will check it out :)

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LoneShadow:

nice :D

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LoneShadow:

I just added a 200gb USB external hdd for my mythtv box

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achew22:

ner0x ivtvctl --log-status

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LoneShadow:

trying to figure out if I should format it in FAT32 mode

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LoneShadow:

I want the media on it to be accessible by all machines

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ner0x:

achew22: ivtvctl: unrecognized option `--log-status'

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achew22:

ner0x, what version are you running?

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LoneShadow:

is your 500gb internal hdd ?

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ner0x:

achew22: 0.9.1 I think I need to update. lol

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ner0x:

So what do you think my problem is?

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achew22:

ner0x, grep ivtv0 /var/log/messages

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achew22:

you should get something like kernel: [17612526.204000] ivtv0: I want that number

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ner0x:

achew22: I don't have anything in messages?

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achew22:

is the module loaded?

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LoneShadow:

is FAT32 a bad choice of filesystem for mythtv's media ?

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achew22:

modprobe ivtv

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ner0x:

achew22: It's loaded, I don't have the messages file.

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achew22:

LoneShadow, its good if you like only having 4gb recordings at most

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LoneShadow:

hmm

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LoneShadow:

whats a good fs for both windows and linux machine to share ?

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ner0x:

LoneShadow: Reiserfs has a windows port, FAT32 is probably the most sensible.

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Neeesat:

Hello to all

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LoneShadow:

I want to rip all of my CDs into mp3s and keep it that external hdd

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Loto:

fat32 is your only real option

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onewheelskyward:

ext2/3 is also viable.

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achew22:

LoneShadow, do you need it to travel between windows and linux?

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onewheelskyward:

There's a read/write driver for windows.

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achew22:

yeah, windows can handle ext2/3

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LoneShadow:

no, its going to be attached locally to the mythtv box

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achew22:

go ext3

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achew22:

or 2

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confuzed:

Or you could use NTFS... but it's support in linux is in perpetual "beta" as it's built without specifications

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LoneShadow:

but my windows PCs will be using it for syncing up with Ipods

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onewheelskyward:

Are linux and windows running on the same machine?

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Loto:

onewheelskyward : really? i knew there were apps that would read it, but native for windows filesystem handlers?

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onewheelskyward:

Loto: Yes. www.fs-driver.org

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Loto:

thx

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onewheelskyward:

I've been using it for over 8 months. No problems.

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onewheelskyward:

Do not use NTFS to share a partition between windows and linux.

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onewheelskyward:

Unless you want linux to be read-only.

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confuzed:

onewheelskyward: Why haven't I seen this before... I've always wondered why more filesystems aren't available on windows

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onewheelskyward:

Beats me. :)

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onewheelskyward:

It's freaking wonderful.

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Loto:

ntfs should be reliably writable now

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achew22:

confuzed, noone really cares at m$ about other file systems

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Loto:

under linux that is

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confuzed:

onewheelskyward: I have used NTFS for RW in both... but it's best to create the FS in linux if you want to do it... and it's still sketchy at best

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ner0x:

Why would you wnat to develope something for windows users to take advantage of linux... I think it's kind of against what linux is all about.

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LoneShadow:

onewheelskyward: diff machines, yea I read about NTFS issues with linux

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Loto:

linux isnt about hording technology

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onewheelskyward:

Honestly, it's because Windows users use Linux. It's a fact of life. The opposite is true as well.

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onewheelskyward:

Linux isn't about exlusion, either.

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onewheelskyward:

It's simply about freedom.

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confuzed:

I would love to see JFS or Reiser ported to windows... they each have their advantages... or best yet that one used by sun... forget what its called

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ner0x:

I'll buy that. :)

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achew22:

hey, now that we've built a braintrust. What is the deal with the channel MythIPTV?

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LoneShadow:

there are somethings in Windows which makes it a lil easier for certain applications, but sure, one can do without windows and find alternatives on linux

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onewheelskyward:

+XFS?

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ner0x:

confuzed: Rieserfs is under windows. THey have drivers.

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achew22:

did the reiser guy really kill his wife?

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onewheelskyward:

That's what I read.

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confuzed:

lol.. the world may never know

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Dagmar:

Hey, it just shows he's willing to do what's necessary to have time to debug the fs

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confuzed:

onewheelskyward: no ZFS

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achew22:

Dagmar, thats so awesome but wrong...

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confuzed:

it rocks

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onewheelskyward:

Oh right, XFS was the SGI thing.

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jamesonq:

WOOT i figured out how to get DMA turned on

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jamesonq:

i actually had to modify the source to the driver I was using and recompile the kernel

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confuzed:

lol... good start!

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Dagmar:

jamesonq: Proceed CAREFULLY. If DMA wasn't enabled by default, it's usually for *good reason*

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achew22:

what is DMA?

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LoneShadow:

Direct Memory Access

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onewheelskyward:

Direct Memory Access?

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confuzed:

jamesonq: Ok that was a bit more involved than I thought you meant

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onewheelskyward:

Woohoo!

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Dagmar:

"Make da hard drive go fastur"

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jamesonq:

confuzed: hrm?

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confuzed:

jamesonq: it wasn't a SATA drive was it?

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jamesonq:

confuzed: no

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jamesonq:

confuzed: jsut a normal maxtor IDE drive

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LoneShadow:

DMA – your program a chip to access a certain region of memory directly without involving the PC's CPU

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confuzed:

jamesonq: lol... kinda a joke

[05:54:31]

achew22:

does anyone in here run ubuntu and compile lirc? (or get it working from binary)

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Dagmar:

If you turn on DMA, and it was turned off because something was wrong, you will likely face MASSIVE DISK CORRUPTION.

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jamesonq:

confuzed: i dont have much a sense of humor

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jamesonq:

dagmar: i didnt actually turn it on.. i just sort of modified my driver, and it turned itself on after fixing the driver

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Dagmar:

jamesonq: Okay, excellent then. That's the only really safe way to "turn it on"

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confuzed:

jamesonq: well if you had said yes I would corrected your problem... but I didn't think that someone who compiled their kernel woulda failed to realize that SATA drives don't need DMA enabled

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Dagmar:

If everything is cool, the kernel will enable DMA on it's own

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jamesonq:

confuzed: i'm a decent coder, but i know jack about hardware tbh

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LoneShadow:

err what am I thinking forget fat32

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LoneShadow:

I should be just NFS mounting my USB hdd thru linux

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jamesonq:

yeah i was having mythtv stuttering and someone here found that dma was disabled

[05:57:01]

jamesonq:

should i release a patch or something for this chipset?

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jamesonq:

i dont think anyone else has done it

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confuzed:

jamesonq: I would

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Neeesat:

I have problem compiling mytharchive. I get the following compiling errors: http://pastebin.ca/416316

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confuzed:

jamesonq: or at least a bug report with what you did to fix it.

[05:58:46]

jamesonq:

yeah

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jamesonq:

how do i check my drives speed

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jamesonq:

someone said a command earlier now i dont remember what it was

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jamesonq:

hdparm -Tt or something similar

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jamesonq:

nvm i think that was it actually

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confuzed:

or you can use bonnie++ to benchmark it

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jamesonq:

sweet

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daMaestro:

T and t are two different tests

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daMaestro:

and yes, bonnie++ is a much better I/O benchmark

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jamesonq:

32 MB/sec buffered

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jamesonq:

it was 2.5MB/sec earlier

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daMaestro:

you should have a baseline to compare

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daMaestro:

ah, sounds like you do

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achew22:

thats a definite improval

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jamesonq:

:P

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jamesonq:

now lets see if mythtv agrees that its faster

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daMaestro:

dma issues?

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daMaestro:

ahh, yup

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achew22:

where is the setting in the DB that determines how many tasks mythbackend can run at a time?

[06:01:28]

confuzed:

yeah but you need sustained read and write for mythtv... that's why bonnie++ is a better tool for benchmarking it

[06:01:32]

jamesonq:

yaaay no more stuttering

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Neeesat:

I am using mythplugins.fixes ver 13145

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jamesonq:

well before it was stopping every 2 or 3 seconds

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jamesonq:

now its just a nice stream

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ner0x:

RingBuf(/home/ner0x/dvr/1010_20070330020148.mpg): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/home/ner0x/dvr/1010_20070330020148.mpg'.

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confuzed:

jamesonq: yeah you are probably going to be fine now

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jamesonq:

now i have a question

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ner0x:

I get this no matter what I'm attempting to do. :-/

[06:02:21]

jamesonq:

is it possible to use the sound from a coax cabe.. and the video from rca jack?

[06:02:37]

jamesonq:

i don't have the cables i need to convert my rca sound to a 1/8 audio jack

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achew22:

ner0x, touch that file

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confuzed:

ner0x: what are the permissions on that file/folder

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achew22:

type "touch %filename%"

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achew22:

confuzed, wouldn't mythtv-setup have bawked at that if it were wrong?

[06:03:47]

ner0x:

confuzed: mythtv, users

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confuzed:

jamesonq: I imagine there is a way, but I don't know it.

[06:03:51]

ner0x:

achew22: Files are touched.

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achew22:

try again

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jamesonq:

also, is there a quick way to change inputs

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jamesonq:

like a keyboard shortcut

[06:04:28]

ner0x:

achew22: MythSocket(8397f48:24): readStringList: Error, timeout (quick).

[06:04:33]

ner0x:

achew22: I get that a lot too.

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achew22:

ner0x, touch is one of those command where you cant figure out what it does unless you do the manual so I'll save you the hastle. Basicly what its doing is making a 0byte file with that name, and if it exists changing the timestamp

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LoneShadow:

which is better for mp3s and large video files : xfs or reiserfs ?

[06:04:59]

ner0x:

achew22: I know touch. :)

[06:04:59]

achew22:

ner0x, but the error about hte invalid file is gone?

[06:05:02]

confuzed:

jamesonq: add it as a channel I think.

[06:05:20]

LoneShadow:

never mind, mythtv.org has it on its web :D

[06:05:43]

confuzed:

jamesonq: I forget... I know you need to add it as an input, but I forget how you switch to it.

[06:05:51]

achew22:

confuzed, push I

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ner0x:

achew22: I can no longer try seeing as it says something is recording when nothing is really being recorded. haha

[06:05:53]

jamesonq:

ok thanks

[06:06:08]

jamesonq:

yeah pushing I doesnt seem to do anythingI

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jamesonq:

i guess it has to be set up beforehand

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confuzed:

achew22: lol... but he needs the imput defined

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jamesonq:

btw, this is really cool! XD

[06:06:31]

achew22:

confuzed, you said i forgot how to switch to it

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achew22:

jamesonq, arent we cool ;)

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confuzed:

jamesonq: feels great when you get it up and runnin doesn't it

[06:06:50]

jamesonq:

i meant mythtv is cool

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jamesonq:

not #mythtv so much

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achew22:

damn... /me sulks

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jamesonq:

lol

[06:07:09]

ner0x:

achew22: I touched it but the error continues.

[06:07:12]

achew22:

#mythtv is the devs....

[06:07:12]

jamesonq:

im stil a bit dissapointed by the quality

[06:07:13]

Neeesat:

can someone see this error please? http://pastebin.ca/416316

[06:07:24]

jamesonq:

but i think i can get it lookign better with some more setup

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confuzed:

jamesonq: I've had it up for a couple of years now and I still get excited ever time I install a new version or otherwise change the config and it works.

[06:07:41]

achew22:

ner0x, take the output and put it on postebin

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jamesonq:

hehe

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jamesonq:

what kind of computer do you use confuzed?

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achew22:

Neeesat, you don't have the proper dependancies I'll bet

[06:08:02]

achew22:

Neeesat, what are you running?

[06:08:21]

Neeesat:

Mythtv with fixes in debian

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achew22:

apt-get build-dep mythtv

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confuzed:

jamesonq: I have it all running on older homebrew PC's... and a machine with a .75TB array in the basement acting as the backend

[06:08:42]

Neeesat:

I have them all installed

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achew22:

Neeesat, try it...

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jamesonq:

i mean like, what speed?

[06:08:54]

jamesonq:

this computer im using might be overboard

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ner0x:

achew22: URL?

[06:09:12]

jamesonq:

i have a ~3ghz machine with geforce 6200LE and 512 pc-4200 ram

[06:09:12]

Neeesat:

AMD +3800

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jamesonq:

but ive heard people using 800mhz pcs and stuff

[06:09:20]

confuzed:

jamesonq: The main tv is running on a P4 1.8? I think

[06:09:20]

achew22:

ner0x, http://www.pastebin.ca

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confuzed:

jamesonq: yours would be great for some HDTV feeds

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achew22:

jamesonq, if you had a good mpeg decoder you could use something like a 300mhz

[06:09:50]

jamesonq:

i dont even get hdtv lol

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jamesonq:

which is funny because i have a hdtv

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jamesonq:

and standard signal from my satellite provider

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ner0x:

achew22: http://www.pastebin.ca/416320

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achew22:

Neeesat, did that get it?

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confuzed:

jamesonq: I actually had a backend running on a P1 MMX machine for a while. Wasn't the master backend cuz the database was too slow... but it recorded TV just fine.

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Neeesat:

get what?

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jamesonq:

let me ask you this confuzed

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achew22:

Neeesat, is it compiling now?

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jamesonq:

on the mythtv setup it asks my card type

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jamesonq:

analog, mjpeg.. etc

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jamesonq:

i tried a few options and didnt see a difference.. there were no errors or anything

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Neeesat:

I have all depentensies installed allready

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jamesonq:

is there a better selection is hould be choosing?

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confuzed:

jamesonq: what kind of card do you have?

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jamesonq:

i use a hauppage wintv card

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achew22:

Neeesat, it doesn't hurt to try to get them again does it?

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jamesonq:

bttv

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Neeesat:

I have try and are all there

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Neeesat:

0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 78 not upgraded.

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achew22:

ner0x, um... are you sure your backend is working?

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jamesonq:

is that a pvr-x50?

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confuzed:

jamesonq: I am not sure with bttv cards... been a long time since I messed with one. I use pvr-x50 cards exclusively now

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jamesonq:

hm ok

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confuzed:

jamesonq: those settings should either work or not work... I don't think it will effect quality.

[06:14:18]

jamesonq:

ok

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confuzed:

jamesonq: The best way to adjust your quality is to configure the recording profiles

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jamesonq:

ok

[06:15:14]

confuzed:

jamesonq: and perhaps fine tune your channels

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jamesonq:

composite input

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Neeesat:

I even install what is needed for mytharchive to work but still the same results

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ner0x:

achew22: Not at all. lol

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achew22:

nero, will you cat /var/log/mythb* into pastebin

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achew22:

ner0x, that was for you

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confuzed:

jamesonq: ahh... in that case, make sure your using a good cable, and you may need to play with grounding issues to reduce noise between the devices

[06:17:12]

jamesonq:

its not noise

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jamesonq:

its encoding quality it hink

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jamesonq:

line noise is only an issue with coax i think

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achew22:

which table is the one that is upcoming recordings?

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xris:

achew22: it's not

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confuzed:

jamesonq: not really, you can get ground noise whenever you have two devices at different ground levels. Expecially if one of you devices is connecting to a satalite antenna.

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ner0x:

achew22: I don't have a mythb*?

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achew22:

ner0x, is mythbackend running?

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achew22:

xris, it's not what?

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xris:

achew22: it's not in a table

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achew22:

damn... can you export it?

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ner0x:

achew22: Says it is.

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xris:

achew22: you can query it on the cli or mythproto or xml.

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confuzed:

jamesonq: I actually had to run a piece of copper between my sattalite reciever and my computer once to correct a ground noise issue.

[06:20:05]

achew22:

xris, what if I want to back it up so that I can install 7.04 and ditch 6.10?

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ner0x:

achew22: http://www.pastebin.ca/416346

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ner0x:

achew22: /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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Neeesat:

I have remove all dependancies and install them again but still the same results

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jamesonq:

well still

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jamesonq:

i can recognize that

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jamesonq:

and its not that

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jamesonq:

its like low quality compression

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achew22:

ner0x, "/mnt/external/dvr/nfslockfile.lock: Permission denied" you have a permissions problem

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achew22:

ner0x, sudo chmod 777 /mnt/external/dvr -R

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ner0x:

I guess root has to be added to those groups as well?

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xris:

achew22: upcoming recordings are decided by a query against the db.. just back up your db and you'll be fine

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confuzed:

jamesonq: I believe you... adjust the recording profiles... but don't expect too much... your looking at a lossy encoding of a standard def signal on a HDTV... it will not look spectacular.

[06:22:29]

jamesonq:

yeah

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hads:

heh

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jamesonq:

i know

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ner0x:

achew22: my dvr directories are different...

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jamesonq:

i expect it to look like the actual image

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jamesonq:

from my directv

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achew22:

xris, I want to redo all my settings and such from scratch but I would like to not redo the recording schedule

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achew22:

ner0x, what do you mean?

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ner0x:

achew22: mythbackend is using /mnt/external/dvr while my mythfrontend is using /home/ner0x/dvr

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xris:

achew22: the schedules are different than the upcoming recordings.

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confuzed:

jamesonq: there may be a way to use something like dscaler to scale it for you... you have the processor power. That should give better results.

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achew22:

ner0x, you should make them the same

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xris:

schedules are stored in a few different tables.. record is probably the most important, but it's all tied into tuner cards, etc.

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ner0x:

achew22: I don't know how they are different. lol

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achew22:

ner0x, yay we found a problem with it

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achew22:

ohh no... two people named nero...

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achew22:

xris, is there a list of tohse or shoudl I just export anything that looks promising?

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ner0x:

achew22: Okay, now what? lol

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achew22:

did you set them to the same thing?

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xris:

achew22: it really is probably easier to just keep your db, and then wipe things from mythtv-setup

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achew22:

xris, its massive though... I had a backup from phpmyadmin time out because it was taking so long

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jamesonq:

confuzed: i switched to mpeg encoder... looks much better

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achew22:

ner0x, did you fix it and change the permissions for that folder?

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confuzed:

jamesonq: great... Oh shit now I know what your talking about... pvr-x50's all record to mpeg in HW... but those bttv's use the cpu to encode.... so you were picking the encoding.

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achew22:

xris, I'm going to do a mysqldump

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xris:

achew22: that would also work

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jamesonq:

confuzed: and it looked like ass :)

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xris:

backing up the raw data is going to be faster, though

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achew22:

meh I still have to dl the 700mb cd

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confuzed:

jamesonq: you might also want to play with the deinterlacing filters... some of them should act as a line doubler for you, which should improve the image even more.

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ner0x:

achew22: fixed and changed, going to start up mythbackend now.

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achew22:

ner0x, restart all the myth processes

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ner0x:

achew22: mysqld as well?

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achew22:

ner0x, if you want to... I wouldn't but you certainly can

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jamesonq:

confuzed: what resolution should i be using for a standard def signal?

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jamesonq:

i know its not 480x480 as it defaults

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ner0x:

02:29 < jamesonq> confuzed: what resolution should i be using for a standard def signal?

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confuzed:

jamesonq: depends... I use different resolutions for different shows. I like 720x480 for my most important stuff. 352x480 for my least important stuff... and 480x480 for just regular stuff

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ner0x:

Whoops, sorry. ;)

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jamesonq:

let me rephrase.. what's the resolution of a standrd tv signal

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jamesonq:

i'm not interested in doing any scaling down

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hads:

PAL?

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jamesonq:

im also not interested in saving a 320x240 image in 1280x1024 videos

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jamesonq:

NTSC

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achew22:

wait... when the hell did katie couric get on 60 min?

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hads:

720x480 I think

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confuzed:

jamesonq: a standard def NTSC signal is abotu 525 lines... only 480 or so are visable

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jamesonq:

ah

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jamesonq:

so 640x480 should be close to native

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confuzed:

there is no horizontal resolution... that is determined by the bandwidth of the signal.... 720 is typically the "max" horizontal resolution as anything greater yeilds deminishing returns

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confuzed:

jamesonq: 480x480 looks fine on my SDTV... your HDTV will probably look better at &@)x480

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jamesonq:

yeah

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confuzed:

720x480*

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hads:

heh, I try to use shift for numbers sometimes too :)

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achew22:

ner0x, hows that comming?

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confuzed:

jamesonq: also, try running bob deinterlacing... you might see some improvement.

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Dagmar:

Well, on general principle you want the horizontal resolution of your capture as high as possible

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ner0x:

ner0x@localhost ~ $ touch /home/ner0x/dvr/1010_20070330023533.mpg

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ner0x:

touch: cannot touch `/home/ner0x/dvr/1010_20070330023533.mpg': Permission denied

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ner0x:

achew22: I think I see where my problem is.

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jamesonq:

hm

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confuzed:

Dagmar: at the cost of diskspace and transcoding time.

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jamesonq:

the video is still lower quality

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Dagmar:

alsoconfused: At the benefit of transcoing *quality*

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achew22:

ner0x, did you run the permissions command on it?

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jamesonq:

i guess its just the capture card

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ner0x:

achew22: Yes.

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achew22:

ner0x, wait.. I thought your recordings were in /mnt/....

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ner0x:

achew22: They aren't.

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ner0x:

achew22: they are in /home/ner0x/dvr

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ner0x:

achew22: I don't know how to get both to that setting.

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achew22:

in mythtv-setup change the folder

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confuzed:

jamesonq: don't give up on it... get it tolerable and use it for a while... then tweak a bit... then use... then tweak. You will get some decent quality out of it if your patient.

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achew22:

ner0x, stop mythbackend before you do that

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jamesonq:

confuzed: well i have the settings maxed out

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jamesonq:

confuzed: its actually not too bad

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jamesonq:

confuzed:its just not as clear as coming directly from the box

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ner0x:

achew22: Did that, doesn't work.

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jamesonq:

confuzed: on second thought.. its actually almost the same quality.. but i had the brightness lowered a bit XD

[06:39:15]

confuzed:

jamesonq: that may be due to some other settings... such as contrast and such... also adjusting the input of your monitor and output of the computer might make a difference

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jamesonq:

confuzed: yea

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jamesonq:

confuzed: changing to progressive interlacing makes it look better.. but then it shows scanlines

[06:39:59]

confuzed:

jamesonq: I spent months getting it just right on our living room tv... but now it actually looks better than the tuner in the TV itself

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confuzed:

changing what to progressive... the TV?

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jamesonq:

m->video scan->progressive

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jamesonq:

in mythtv menu

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confuzed:

jamesonq: hmm... never played with that... makes no difference on my setup

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jamesonq:

thats probably because of the resolution

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confuzed:

jamesonq: perhaps using that and a different/no deinterlacing will give better results

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ner0x:

achew22: 2007-03–30 02:39:57.211 MythSocket(8370920:24): readStringList: Error, timeout (quick).

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jamesonq:

yeah im trying that now actually

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confuzed:

Well I need to get some rest... it's only thursday. I'm glad that your up and running jamesonq! Trust me, you will never be able to watch TV the old way again. I haven't watched a show as it aired in months... I even wait 30 minutes or so before watching football games just so I can skip annoying commercials.

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ner0x:

achew22: I must go to bed. Some other time. :) Thank you.

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jamesonq:

well

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jamesonq:

its not goingt to work that way yet

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achew22:

ner0x, have fun

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jamesonq:

i use a directv box

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jamesonq:

so i need to be able to interface with it somehow

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jamesonq:

null modem cables and junk

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jamesonq:

but ive got video at least

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confuzed:

jamesonq: ahhh... that's just more fun!

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jamesonq:

lol

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jamesonq:

i can also use the IR blaster

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jamesonq:

i suppose

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alsoconfused:

jamesonq: you got your dma problem fixed?

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jamesonq:

yes

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confuzed:

and you can always schedule the shows on your reciever and set myth to record them.

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jamesonq:

confuzed: thats true

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alsoconfused:

may i ask how?

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confuzed:

jamesonq: use the direct serial if possible

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jamesonq:

direct serial?

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jamesonq:

alsoconfused: i had to modify the driver myself

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jamesonq:

and recompile my own kernel for it

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alsoconfused:

was it just adding a device id?

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confuzed:

jamesonq: if your reciever supports controling via a serial input, use that... the irblasters are not 100%... and it hurts when your wife hits you cuz her favorite show didn't record ;-)

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jamesonq:

yeah ill have to look in to it

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jamesonq:

alsoconfused: i can show you, just one line

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confuzed:

jamesonq: good nite!

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jamesonq:

peace

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alsoconfused:

that's ok, i was just a bit curious

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hads:

If you tweak your script an IR blaster can be pretty reliable. Mine's never missed a change. Of course serial would be nicer though.

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jamesonq:

it was on a site

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jamesonq:

that someone sent me

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jamesonq:

"{ "SiS5513", PCI_DEVICE_ID_SI_5513, ATA_16 },"

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jamesonq:

just added that

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jamesonq:

except i used ATA_133 i think

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jamesonq:

this site is different from the one i saw earlier

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hads:

So yes, a device id

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jamesonq:

maybe it was 331

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jamesonq:

yeah i guess

[06:51:20]

jamesonq:

im not big on hardware coding

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jamesonq:

i just saw it and tried it

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jamesonq:

and it worked

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jamesonq:

is there a .gnome/Autostart?

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jamesonq:

im used to kde

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weijie902:

hi, how fast does mythtv boot?

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kambei:

As fast as you want it to.

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weijie902:

kambei, i don't get it... is it a distro or an add-on to another distro?

[07:00:55]

kambei:

It's just software that runs on whatever Linux distro you choose.

[07:01:10]

weijie902:

kambei, thanks

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kambei:

It uses other utilities such as MySQL and Xine or Mplayer, and such.

[07:02:33]

jamesonq:

WOW

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jamesonq:

omg i am so stupid

[07:02:50]

jamesonq:

i was running my 720p hdtv at 1680x1050

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jamesonq:

and wonder what was up with the blurriness

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kambei:

What kind of TV do you have?

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jamesonq:

lcd

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kambei:

I meant what model, actually.

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jamesonq:

maxent mx-27x2

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jamesonq:

its a mid-range hdtv

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jamesonq:

widescreen 27 inch 720p

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kambei:

Maxents are good, from what I have heard.

[07:04:21]

jamesonq:

yeah not too shabby

[07:04:33]

jamesonq:

i got it like a year ago or something for $450

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kambei:

You record in HD?

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jamesonq:

no i dont have an hd signal actually

[07:05:34]

kambei:

Oh.

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jamesonq:

i really just got the hdtv for when i want to use it as a computer

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kambei:

Sounds good.

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jamesonq:

otherwise my eyes arent even good enough to see the difference sitting across the room

[07:06:04]

jamesonq:

so i dont bother with the HD subscription costs

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kambei:

I see.

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weijie902:

what requirements does mythtv need the underlying os to have? other than bluetooth, a window manager, mplayer, xine...?

[07:11:24]

kambei:

Bluetooth?

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kambei:

Why would you need bluetooth?

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weijie902:

for linuxmce

[07:12:07]

weijie902:

but never mind that

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kambei:

Well, you need a pretty basic machine to record standard def.

[07:12:25]

kambei:

Nothing too fancy.

[07:12:33]

weijie902:

i intend to replace dell mediadirect with it

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weijie902:

on my laptop

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kambei:

A TV card such as a Hauppauge PVR-150

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Dagmar:

...and you need the ability to read.

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weijie902:

very funny, Dagmar

[07:13:41]

kambei:

Other than that, not too much.

[07:14:07]

kambei:

If you want to record (actually, playback) HD content, you will need a more powerful machine.

[07:14:59]

weijie902:

kambei, i wonder how much i can strip down the default ubuntu install to make it boot quickly

[07:15:29]

kambei:

Why are you so concerned with booting?

[07:15:36]

kambei:

The machine has to be on to record stuff.

[07:15:58]

weijie902:

no... i intend to install it on my laptop

[07:16:08]

weijie902:

to replace dell mediadirect

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kambei:

I have no idea what that is.

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weijie902:

that's a special button used to boot the machine into a special os made by one of dell's partners

[07:16:51]

weijie902:

it plays media, dvds, cds

[07:16:58]

weijie902:

does a little office work

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kambei:

That's pretty cool, I guess.

[07:17:30]

weijie902:

kambei, yeah, except that it splits my mbr into two and gives me a bsod

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kambei:

Not so cool, I guess.

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jamesonq:

slightly less cool imo

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weijie902:

kambei, bsod after reinstalling it after accidentally destroying its partiton

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weijie902:

so if i strip down ubuntu enough i may be able to boot into ubuntu with mythtv or linuxmce really quickly

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Dagmar:

You can't "split" an MBR.

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jamesonq:

screw ubuntu

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hads:

"Stripping down" will be a lot of work

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weijie902:

well, its in two

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Dagmar:

No, it's not.

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jamesonq:

just use a really basic distro

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jamesonq:

and download everything you need

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weijie902:

oh

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jamesonq:

and when you're done package it for me :D

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weijie902:

but linuxmce, which uses mythtv, needs ubuntu

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jamesonq:

dont bother with linuxmce

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jamesonq:

ive tried it myself

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jamesonq:

maybe later, but its not ready yet

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Dagmar:

So what you need to do then is go find the support channel for LinuxMCE

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jamesonq:

yes.. but at the same time you're better off avoiding it atm

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weijie902:

oh

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Dagmar:

You're very certainly better off not asking about it in here.

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jamesonq:

his question was about tech specs of mythtv

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juski:

morning

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jamesonq:

which is understandable

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but those are documented all over the website and the wiki.

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Dagmar:

In _great detail_.

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juski:

I can't believe somebody has started an e-petition to get creative commons tv guide data for the UK... stupid idea

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Dagmar:

juski: but clearly epetitions work! Look at how many people sign up for them!

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hads:

*yawn* I'm off to drink

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juski:

lol

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Dagmar:

...although I do agree it's a stupid idea.

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jamesonq:

hmm.. my backend is crashing

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Dagmar:

They just need to make the crap available. It doesn't need to be under that particular licence

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weijie902:

Dagmar, but they are about hardware

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Dagmar:

weijie902: No.

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juski:

Dagmar: it's already available under personal use only terms

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Dagmar:

juski: well there you go then

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Dagmar:

What use someone might have for "remixing" the listings is beyond me

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Dagmar:

Maybe they want to start their own service using the free data or something

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juski:

that's what I was thinking

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Dagmar:

It wouldn't be the first time

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Dagmar:

There's all kinds of idiots running companies here who believe it's their inalienable right to be the only ones to be allowed to do anything with METAR data from NOAA

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juski:

epetition for me to set up a company & for the government to provide the starting capital in a grant form :)

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weijie902:

i think ill just use gentoo or debian with Mythtv as they boot quickly then

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Dagmar:

Regardless of the fact that raw METAR and other meterological data is freely available, and they're trying to stop that as well

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jamesonq:

go for it weijie

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weijie902:

thanks

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juski:

if you want a quick boot, forget about GNOME or KDE

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jamesonq:

wow

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jamesonq:

out of the middle of my floor

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jamesonq:

in a pile of papers

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weijie902:

juski, but leave xorg alone?

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juski:

slimming down a boot process is pretty easy if you know what you're doing

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jamesonq:

i find magically the exact cable i need to get my sound working in composite mode

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jamesonq:

a cable i did not know i owned

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juski:

you're not guaranteed to be able to shave much off the boot time though ;)

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jamesonq:

it must be divine intervention

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jamesonq:

god wants me to get thisd mythtv box setup

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juski:

it must be that your place is such a mess you're just _lucky_ you ever find stuff

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jamesonq:

yes!

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jamesonq:

lol

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jamesonq:

i'm even more lucky when i find things i actually need

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juski:

a sure breeding ground for bit weevils, make no mistake

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jamesonq:

http://www.jamesonquave.com/myCrap.jpg

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jamesonq:

the good part of this image

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jamesonq:

is the small segment of a paper plate that you can see

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jamesonq:

on the bottom of the pic

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juski:

that tv unit is host to billions of bit weevils who will eventually find their way into your mythbox, causing untold failed recordings

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jamesonq:

that seems to be located in a position that it is about 2 feet above the floor

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jamesonq:

bit weevils? lol

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juski:

yeh those pesky weevils hide config files & corrupt databases

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jamesonq:

ohhh

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jamesonq:

:)

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jamesonq:

ack im doin something stupid

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jamesonq:

my sound is playing whatever is live

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jamesonq:

instead of whats on the mythtv

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juski:

yeah you didn't read the mythtv.org docs about configuring your sound

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jamesonq:

:/

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jamesonq:

i was using coax at first

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jamesonq:

okie dokie

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weijie902:

thanks guys for helping me

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juski:

you've prolly not connected the audio cable to the right socket – it should maybe plug into the tuner card, which in turn loops into your soundcard

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jamesonq:

yeah i just moved it to the tuner card actually

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jamesonq:

i had it in line in

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jamesonq:

but now im getting no sounf

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jamesonq:

sound*

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jamesonq:

it seems like i owuldve immediately started getting sound

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Dagmar:

It's those crappy framegrabber cards

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jamesonq:

: /

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juski:

they're for tv _watching_, not for use with mythtv and should come with warnings. Not suitable for noobs!

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jamesonq:

>_>

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jamesonq:

thats not really helpful

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juski:

jamesonq: the tv tuner card has a number of inputs, for video & for audio – and depending on which you want to capture, the driver makes the card switch between them

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jamesonq:

yeah

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jamesonq:

i know how to fix it myself i think

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jamesonq:

thanks

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juski:

heheh minimyth is building the backend now :)

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jamesonq:

minimyth?

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thereapman:

Hi! I've a Problem with scanning for DVB-S Channels at Astra 19.2E. with dvbscan it runs perfectly, but not with mythtv. i've looked with dvbsnoopy at the frequency. mythtv tunes 850MHz higher.

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jamesonq:

yay i fixed it

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jamesonq:

it jsut has way too high gain

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juski:

thereapman: you should try asking in #mythtv-de – more dvb-s users in there, generally

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thereapman:

thx juski

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otwin:

juski: hi – my minimyth build went fine!

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juski:

thereapman: also check this guide: http://www.mythwiki.de/index.php?title=Ubuntu – it's not just for ubuntu but has good dvb-s tips

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juski:

otwin: bet you have a faster CPU than me :)

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juski:

if mine's up to doing mythtv now, that's the nasty stuff like X out of the way

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weijie902:

will installing mythtv on my existing distro change my xorg.conf or do something similar?

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juski:

weijie902: no

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juski:

installing mythtv will bring in mythtv & its dependencies – that's about it

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weijie902:

juski, thanks, its the first time im installing mythtv

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juski:

weijie902: read some documentation and a howto guide for the distro you use

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juski:

then read them some more. THEN play with mythtv

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otwin:

juski: athlon xp2600 – started 'make build' yesterday at 22h00. when logging in from work this morning it was done.

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juski:

otwin: heh I only have an xp2000

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weijie902:

juski, i just did, but it didn't mention how mythtv changes my system configs

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weijie902:

juski, thanks for the help

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otwin:

juski: and to enable mythphone, well... I just had to enable it in the makefile of mythplugins... no gar/minimyth magic needed

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juski:

well weijie902 whether or not mythtv messes with system stuff is really down to who packaged it for your distro

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weijie902:

juski, i doubt that ubuntu would do that

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juski:

it *should* not mess with system things like Xorg configs

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** juski laughs **

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weijie902:

yeah

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juski:

what joy awaits you

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juski:

weijie902: the password you are looking for is in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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juski:

write that down now – it'll be useful

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weijie902:

juski, ok

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juski:

actually if you're gonna be using Feisty, the ubuntu wiki howto should be ok for you – it's _allegedly_ all fixed up now

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juski:

or was it Edgy? anyway...

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juski:

otwin: ta for that info :)

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orko_:

Hi.

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otwin:

and there's another minimyth.conf change: MM_MYTH_* is now MM_MASTER_*

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weijie902:

juski, /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt did not exist, but my root password worked.

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juski:

weijie902: you might need that info somewhere else

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orko_:

i transcoded a recorded 2,7G mpg file to mpeg4. the result was a 3,7G nuv file . Why did it increase.

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weijie902:

juski, huh?

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juski:

... or they fixed the problem

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weijie902:

juski, you mean previous versions asked for a password which could only be found in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt, and it has since been fixed?

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weijie902:

i installed mythtv via aptitude, running ubuntu, but i can't connect to the mysql server

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orko_:

weijie902: did you configure mysql? set root passwd etc?

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weijie902:

sudo usermod -a -G mythtv USERNAME

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weijie902:

orko_, how do i set the passwd?

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weijie902:

SET PASSWORD FOR root@localhost=PASSWORD('rubberchicken');??

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weijie902:

SET PASSWORD FOR di@localhost=PASSWORD('lalala') does not work..

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weijie902:

ugh mythtv-setup's mysql config hates me

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weijie902:

tried the howtos for ubuntu but they don't work

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weijie902:

could anyone please help me set up mysql?

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Dagmar:

You need to ask in #Ubuntu

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orko_:

weijie902: mysqladmin -u user_name -h host_name password "newpwd"

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orko_:

weijie902: is there something like configure-debian installed on your system?

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weijie902:

dpkg

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weijie902:

im currently removing mythtv and its deps

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weijie902:

so that i can reinstall

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orko_:

no need to

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weijie902:

too late, sir

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weijie902:

mythtv-database error

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weijie902:

sudo dpkg-reconfigure --force mythtv-database does not work either

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weijie902:

http://pastebin.ca/416521

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orko_:

did you install mysql-server?

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orko_:

weijie902: are you able to connect to the mysql server viq console? mysql --user=monty --password=guess

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weijie902:

orko_, installing mysql-server...

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weijie902:

orko_, that command with usr "root" and password lists the options

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weijie902:

wait

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weijie902:

i tried to remove mythtv-database again and it did

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weijie902:

instlaling mythtv now

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weijie902:

orko_

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orko_:

i wait.

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orko_:

try to connect to your mysql server using the console.

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weijie902:

orko_, the install worked

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weijie902:

playing around with mythfrontend not

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weijie902:

'now

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weijie902:

but wheres dvd playing?

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orko_:

wait wait. did the connect to mysql work?

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weijie902:

yes

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orko_:

mythtvsetup worked?

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orko_:

mythbackend is started?

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weijie902:

mythtv-setup asks a lot of non-laptop related questions

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orko_:

so what do you want to do next?

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** weijie902 says meekly, dvds **

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orko_:

does mythfrontend start?

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weijie902:

yes

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orko_:

so whats the problem with dvd?

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weijie902:

how do i get it to read dvds from my laptop.... or should i use linuxmce?

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orko_:

you have to configure the directory your dvd drive is mounted on in the configuration of mythfrontend

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weijie902:

configure it via "setup"?

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orko_:

no. theres a dvd section in the configuration menu of mythfrontend

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orko_:

i think its something like configuration->medium->dvd or so. i am only used to the germen menu entry names.

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weijie902:

general/capturecards/video sources/inputconn./channeleditor

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weijie902:

im in mythtv-setup

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orko_:

not on mythtv-setup

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orko_:

in mythfrontend

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orko_:

there is also a configuration menu somewhere

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weijie902:

how many layers deep?

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gardengnome:

about 10 or 20 layers.

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orko_:

mythfrontend has several differentmenu structures to choose. i dont now which one you selected.

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orko_:

isnt there a configuration menu in mythfrontend at the top menu layer?

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weijie902:

yes

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orko_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythDVD

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weijie902:

there;s no "media settings" option

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weijie902:

general,, appearance and tv settings only

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orko_:

did you install the mythtv-puglins package?

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orko_:

apt-get install mythtv mythbrowser mythdvd mythgallery mythmusic mythnews mythvideo mythweather

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weijie902:

wow

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orko_:

you dont have to install all.

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orko_:

mythdvd should be enough

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weijie902:

orko_, optical discs is now an option

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weijie902:

thanks

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orko_:

now it should work out of the box or you have to configure your dvd path

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orko_:

i bought simspson season 8 yesterday and tried to watch it in mythtv. but the internal player stuttered (cpu was at 10%). and sometimes switched thelanguage on its on in the middel of a show.

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orko_:

any suggestions? should i use xine instead?

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weijie902:

orko_, here's a dumb answer: since mythtv runs on an existing distro. why not use xine?

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weijie902:

unless, um, you can't control the mouse or something

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weijie902:

with the remote

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orko_:

i try to use what mythtv brings out of the box to see how good it is.

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orko_:

weijie902: i have a lirc.conf that inclueds xine and mplayer too.

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weijie902:

try xine directly then

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frink_:

orko_: it changes the langage!

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orko_:

frink_: yeah i started with german. Then after some minues it changed to english and in the language menu there only appeared english and two entries called unknown.

[10:01:05]

orko_:

after some minutes it changed to german again, then again to english

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weijie902:

orko_, why not use your dvd player

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weijie902:

the physical one

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orko_:

weijie902: do not have one. i build a harddisk recorder based on mythtv and wnat that to be ma media portal (tv, recording, dvd, video,picture etc)

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weijie902:

ooh

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orko_:

but i will try xine tonight. i think it will work better than the internal player.

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weijie902:

sorry i cant help with that , cant come up with any more solutions which i know

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orko_:

i do not really understadn why mythtv developers put so much time in developing players when they just can use existing and perhaps better ones.

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jamesonq:

how can i watch the output of /dev/lirc0

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jamesonq:

to see if my remote is doing anything

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gardengnome:

orko_: because they can.

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weijie902:

thanks again, orko_, for the help

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weijie902:

gtg now

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jamesonq:

anyone?

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jamesonq:

i just want to see if my IR sensor is working

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gardengnome:

orko_: they are already using existing software, eg ffmpeg. however, mythtv is a tightly integrated convergence software. they probably needed a custom solution to account for the edit mode, automagical comm flagging etc.

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orko_:

gardengnome: i dont want to soudn offending. But especially for dvd playback i would go with xine because i think its more mature.

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gardengnome:

orko_: well, just do it then. you can change the player easily.

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gardengnome:

orko_: you fail to see that DVD playback support in mythtv is still quite young.

[10:09:37]

orko_:

i dont know much about mythtv development. and i dont know how much time developing theplayers takes compared to the time the databse and gui takes.

[10:10:55]

jamesonq:

anyone here use an ir remote?

[10:11:55]

jamesonq:

do you do so with an ir remote? :D

[10:11:57]

orko_:

jamesonq: did you try irrecord

[10:12:07]

gardengnome:

orko_: i don't doubt that :) having its own DVD playback software is a nice advantage. it's FLOSS, people work on whatever they want to ;)

[10:12:07]

jamesonq:

it never detects anything

[10:12:27]

orko_:

did you install lirc?

[10:12:30]

jamesonq:

yes

[10:12:34]

jamesonq:

ps -ea | grep lirc

[10:12:35]

jamesonq:

shows it working

[10:12:47]

orko_:

which distri?

[10:12:52]

jamesonq:

ubuntu

[10:13:20]

orko_:

does your pc have ir build in or how is it done?

[10:13:33]

jamesonq:

its on the wintv card

[10:13:36]

jamesonq:

capture card

[10:13:48]

orko_:

did you connect the ir sensor to the card?

[10:13:52]

jamesonq:

yes

[10:14:12]

orko_:

just some dump questions, sorry. but i didn't and i cost me 1 day,-)

[10:14:34]

jamesonq:

you didnt what

[10:14:46]

orko_:

connect ir-sensor cable to my pvr card.

[10:15:06]

jamesonq:

well guess what homie

[10:15:10]

jamesonq:

it was plugged in

[10:15:14]

jamesonq:

but because of your comment i double checked

[10:15:18]

jamesonq:

and it was loose

[10:15:23]

jamesonq:

it works now

[10:15:35]

jamesonq:

you must be some kind of linux god ;)

[10:16:20]

orko_:

no. but i am as stupid as the avarage user. so i can easily adept what might go wrong,-)

[10:16:27]

jamesonq:

XD

[10:16:37]

jamesonq:

im new to this whole thing so i jsut didnt realize the plug wasnt all the way in

[10:16:47]

jamesonq:

i thought that was as far in as it goes

[10:16:54]

orko_:

me too. started 3 moanth ago

[10:16:54]

jamesonq:

i see now you have to put some force on it to make it snap in all the way

[10:17:01]

jamesonq:

this is so cool im getting the output

[10:17:11]

jamesonq:

btw, little thing i learned today i thought was really neat

[10:17:17]

jamesonq:

if you have a webcam or digital camera

[10:17:26]

jamesonq:

and want to check an IR remote... point the remote into it

[10:17:29]

jamesonq:

and press buttons

[10:17:37]

jamesonq:

you can see IR signal as white light from a CCD camera sensor

[10:17:46]

orko_:

"As intelligence goes up, happiness goes down." Lisa Simpson

[10:18:04]

jamesonq:

i think that puts me at "content"

[10:21:01]

jamesonq:

man, i cant believe how easy getting lirc to work was

[10:21:17]

jamesonq:

i was sure that i was in for a day long dillema

[10:21:21]

pat_:

would anybody have any idea why my sound sounds "fuzzy" on the first cold boot, but after a reboot (warm boot) sounds just fine?

[10:21:21]

orko_:

me to.

[10:23:18]

orko_:

pat_ : did you try to reboot without using any applicatio to test your sound. and then test it again?

[10:33:03]

orko_:

anyone here who can explain me something concerning the transcoding process?

[10:34:29]

pat_:

orko, yup

[10:34:45]

pat_:

I'm figuring it is a hardware thing

[10:34:53]

pat_:

and I'm just going to have to live with it

[10:35:38]

orko_:

i think perhaps on reboot the alsa mixer settings are saved diferent than on doing a halt.

[10:37:59]

Dagmar:

Bleh. Time to set up the MIRROR target in iptables

[10:38:20]

Dagmar:

Looks like the script kiddies have new brute force scanner that slows down

[10:39:56]

orko_:

why is a transcoding to mpeg4 resulting in a nuv file?

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Dagmar:

Because that's the way you've configured it

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gardengnome:

orko_: it stands for nuppelvideo and it's just a container

[10:48:04]

Dagmar:

You have to be a bit more picky about what you tell it to do

[10:48:06]

gardengnome:

orko_: your transcoding profile is not configured correctly then.

[10:48:36]

Dagmar:

What utility you get out of transcoding is directly proportional to the amount of time you've spent configuring it

[10:48:55]

gardengnome:

heh

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orko_:

Dagmar: i spedn more than 3 days now trying to configure it , so that it cuts out the marked commercials and makes a file that is half the size.

[10:49:50]

Dagmar:

nLies.

[10:50:06]

Dagmar:

You just said the file comes out larger than the original.

[10:50:12]

jamesonq_:

damn

[10:50:16]

jamesonq_:

my remote is workign and everything

[10:50:17]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: note the use of "trying" ;)

[10:50:20]

jamesonq_:

but it doesnt work in mythtv

[10:50:27]

gardengnome:

jamesonq_: do you have a lircrc?

[10:50:29]

jamesonq_:

where is your lircrc file actually supposed to go?

[10:50:35]

jamesonq_:

yeah i have one, but im not sure where it goes

[10:50:39]

jamesonq_:

every site says something different

[10:50:43]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: You know I don't give credit for staring at the screen and saying "I think I can I think I can..."

[10:50:46]

gardengnome:

i actually love how you went like "my remote is working, but it doesnt work" :)

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jamesonq_:

i mean that i can see it in irw

[10:51:02]

Dagmar:

jamesong: That depends on what you want it to do

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jamesonq_:

it is showing the right buttons, all the hardware works

[10:51:55]

jamesonq_:

so where does lircrc belong?

[10:52:00]

jamesonq_:

and is it .lircrc or lircrc

[10:52:22]

Dagmar:

jamesong: That depends on what you want it to do

[10:52:42]

jamesonq_:

dagmar: test it

[10:52:52]

Dagmar:

Then you don't need to put it anywhere.

[10:53:56]

orko_:

jamesonq_: put .lircrc into your home dir and make a link from .mythtv/lirrc to it.

[10:54:09]

gardengnome:

orko_: it'll produce smaller files if configured correctly ,)

[10:54:19]

jamesonq_:

orko: thats two files which one is it actually checking

[10:54:32]

gardengnome:

jamesonq_: ~/.mythtv/lircrc

[10:54:35]

jamesonq_:

ok

[10:54:37]

orko_:

mythtv uses .mythtv/lirrc

[10:54:38]

gardengnome:

in 0.21, it'll check in both places

[10:55:58]

jamesonq_:

i have irexec working

[10:56:04]

jamesonq_:

its mythtv that doesnt work

[10:56:07]

jamesonq_:

now

[10:56:14]

jamesonq_:

ill do some debugging, thanks

[10:56:50]

Dagmar:

God forbid you read the wiki

[10:57:07]

jamesonq_:

i did read it

[10:57:11]

Dagmar:

No, you didn't.

[10:57:13]

jamesonq_:

i have a full set up lircrc

[10:57:16]

Dagmar:

It tells exactly where the file goes.

[10:57:22]

jamesonq_:

yeah and it didnt work

[10:57:25]

jamesonq_:

so i looked at some other sites

[10:57:30]

jamesonq_:

and they said different locations

[10:57:32]

jamesonq_:

so i tried those

[10:57:35]

jamesonq_:

and none of those worked either

[10:57:38]

Dagmar:

<-- this is me, not caring.

[10:57:46]

jamesonq_:

then why accuse me of lying

[10:57:49]

jamesonq_:

if you dont care

[10:58:00]

Dagmar:

Because I find lies offensive and counterproductive.

[10:58:00]

gardengnome:

o_O

[10:58:10]

jamesonq_:

i find your attitude offensive and counterproductive

[10:58:14]

jamesonq_:

for example

[10:58:18]

jamesonq_:

im not debugging this right now

[10:58:20]

jamesonq_:

im typing to you

[10:58:58]

Dagmar:

Did you *compile* mythtv with LIRC support?

[10:59:11]

qu0zl:

that's a good question

[10:59:15]

Dagmar:

No, you either want to be able to make it work, or you want someone else to do it for you.

[10:59:17]

jamesonq_:

i didn't compile mythtv, i used apt-get on ubuntu

[10:59:30]

qu0zl:

it should have lirc support then iirc

[10:59:38]

Dagmar:

Yay ubuntu. I don't touch it.

[10:59:40]

jamesonq_:

i dont see why they would leave something like that out

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qu0zl:

jamesonq_, my lircrc is at ~mythtv/lircrc

[11:00:05]

qu0zl:

ubuntu edgy, with the packages from multiverse

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Dagmar:

Betcha he doesn't even know how to check the lircrc file

[11:00:40]

jamesonq_:

i dont know how to check it?

[11:00:46]

jamesonq_:

check it for what?

[11:01:02]

_orko_:

Dagmar: how do i have to configure the mpeg4 stuff to get half sized files?

[11:01:13]

Dagmar:

orko_: Correctly.

[11:01:38]

qu0zl:

jamesonq_, pastebin your lircrc file and give us a look at it

[11:01:52]

Dagmar:

The result varies depending on whether or not you told it to deinterlace (especially if you told it to incorrectly), what type of video you're transcoding, the bitrates chosen, etc etc

[11:02:27]

jamesonq_:

sure

[11:02:28]

_orko_:

Dagmar: i recorded with 5000 up to 8000 as bitrate.

[11:02:37]

qu0zl:

jamesonq_, http://pastebin.ca/416623 is the first 1/4 or so of my working lircrc file, for comparison

[11:02:50]

jamesonq_:

ok give me a second

[11:02:55]

Dagmar:

orko_: Here, I'll save you the trouble. NO i am *not* figuring it out for you. Make a 5 minute recording and experiment with it.

[11:02:56]

jamesonq_:

i dont have an easy means to paste it atm actually

[11:03:36]

juski:

yay! minimyth finished building without any errors :)

[11:03:37]

qu0zl:

jamesonq_, also "lsof | grep -i lirc" should show two mythtv related entries pointing to /usr/lib/liblirc_client.so.0.1.0 or similar

[11:03:43]

Dagmar:

Ultimately it comes down to whether or not you can stomach what you've told the transcoder to do to the video anyway

[11:03:45]

qu0zl:

so you can be sure that it's trying to use lirc

[11:03:49]

qu0zl:

cool, gj juski

[11:04:11]

jamesonq_:

yeah they are there qu0zl

[11:04:16]

juski:

qu0zl: more like good job Pablo! All I did was tweak a coupla files :)

[11:04:22]

qu0zl:

well that's a good start jamesonq_

[11:04:39]

qu0zl:

heh juski :)

[11:05:01]

jamesonq_:

i dont have an easy means to paste this but heres some of it

[11:05:15]

Dagmar:

jamesonq_: `man ircat`

[11:05:32]

** juski laughs. I told that guy he'd need /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt & he ignored me **

[11:05:38]

jamesonq_:

think i typed that wrong 1 sec

[11:06:04]

Dagmar:

juski: That's because you didn't put the file there for him

[11:06:46]

jamesonq_:

it's alot of that kind of thing, those are just the numbers 1 & 2

[11:07:08]

_orko_:

Dagmar: you dont have to figure it out for me. i just wanted some hint. the one with deinterlace was fine. but i want also understadn what i do. so what does this deinterlace setting ddo?

[11:07:52]

qu0zl:

that looks sane jamesonq_ . Might be worth trying it without the 'repeat' and 'remote' lines to try it at the most basic. Doubt it'll make a difference though

[11:07:58]

Dagmar:

orko_: Google. Not knowing what deinterlacing is represetns a fatal lack of understanding of video that will prevent you from accomplishing what you want.

[11:08:09]

gardengnome:

orko_: www.100fps.com

[11:08:32]

Dagmar:

www.rif.org

[11:08:47]

_orko_:

gardengnome and Dagmar thanks.

[11:09:25]

_orko_:

Dagmar: i know what deinterlacing is and does. But i dont know what the transcoding does when i switch it on when transcoding to an mpeg4. thats what i want to understand

[11:09:39]

Dagmar:

orko_: Google.

[11:10:07]

_orko_:

Dagmar: i will, will.

[11:10:10]

juski:

orko_: the switch selects whether the source material gets deinterlaced or not :)

[11:10:24]

Dagmar:

juski: Ah but he says he knew that already.

[11:10:38]

juski:

halve the resolution of the output file but keep the same bitrate :)

[11:10:40]

jamesonq_:

i got it working, thanks for the help qu0zl

[11:10:53]

_orko_:

which transcoding profile is used when selecting standard in the menu in the recordings screen? i dont have a standard transcoding profile.

[11:10:54]

jamesonq_:

fuck your mother dagmar

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Dagmar:

jamesonq_: Stay ignorant, n00b

[11:11:20]

jamesonq_:

im not even a noob, i jsut asked a simple question

[11:11:24]

juski:

it's been a good week for trolls

[11:11:27]

Dagmar:

Yep

[11:11:33]

Dagmar:

Time to add another to the ignore list

[11:11:33]

_orko_:

Dagmar: i said i knew what deinterlace is. but not what the switch triggers and what happens to the file then? doe it get bigge ror not etc

[11:11:37]

_orko_:

but i iwll google

[11:11:39]

jamesonq_:

dagmar just continues to be a dick to everyone who asks anything

[11:11:45]

Dagmar:

orko_: It gets deinterlaced.

[11:11:49]

qu0zl:

jamesonq_, so what was broken?

[11:11:58]

Dagmar:

orko_: If this baffles you, you need to read more because you do not yet know what deinterlacing means.

[11:12:00]

jamesonq_:

qu0zl, i guess it was the repat line

[11:12:04]

jamesonq_:

repeat*

[11:12:09]

juski:

it gets deinterlaced when you enable deinterlacing?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! FFS who made that logical move?!

[11:12:13]

jamesonq_:

i removed it for the number 1, but not the number 2

[11:12:16]

Dagmar:

jamesonq_: No, I'm only mean to the people who never learned to read.

[11:12:20]

jamesonq_:

the number 1 works now, but not the number 2 interestingly

[11:12:21]

qu0zl:

lirc is a pain tbh

[11:12:36]

Dagmar:

It's a terrible terrible thing, especially in the US where public school at least ensures people can read at a 7th grade level.

[11:12:42]

jamesonq_:

dagmar, find in the wiki were is mentions the qu0zl came up with

[11:12:47]

juski:

lirc's a bitch and then you die

[11:13:00]

jamesonq_:

it wasnt something outlines in the wiki

[11:13:02]

jamesonq_:

i read the wiki

[11:13:03]

Dagmar:

Again, this is me not caring about your little problem

[11:13:11]

jamesonq_:

then shut the fuck up

[11:13:14]

jamesonq_:

if you dont care dont speak

[11:13:17]

Dagmar:

You lied up front and therefore cast away all rights to my or anyone elses respecet.

[11:13:28]

jamesonq_:

i never lied about anything you're just a stupid fucking idiot

[11:13:28]

_orko_:

This is how google destroys the community. The answer to almost every question will be: google

[11:13:42]

Dagmar:

Damn Google for having all those answers.

[11:13:44]

Dagmar:

Damn them!

[11:13:58]

juski:

community.. pfft

[11:14:13]

Honk:

_orko_: the problem is not ppl pointing to google, it's the guys not searching google before asking for help ;)

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Honk:

though mythtv related topics are pretty hard to find imho

[11:14:34]

jamesonq_:

i actually agree with you, and i do search google.. but i couldnt find what the problem was

[11:14:36]

jamesonq_:

so i finally asked here

[11:14:42]

qu0zl:

tbh i dunno how he'd have found the answer to that problem via google

[11:14:50]

gardengnome:

do we really have to argue about that?

[11:14:51]

juski:

yeah I find the problem is caused by all the disparate guides – like the ones on Uncle Jimbob's blog pages

[11:14:52]

gardengnome:

:/

[11:15:03]

Dagmar:

yeah it's awful how there's docs on both the mythtv wiki and the lirc site on how to troubleshoot lirc.

[11:15:16]

jamesonq_:

dagmar: i did them all

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jamesonq_:

or at least all the relevant ones

[11:15:29]

jamesonq_:

the bigger problem

[11:15:33]

Dagmar:

People look and look and look, but without colored pictures, there's just nothing to help them.

[11:15:33]

jamesonq_:

is that several of the wikis

[11:15:35]

jamesonq_:

conflicted

[11:15:35]

qu0zl:

the repeat line is valid and it still broke his config

[11:15:40]

jamesonq_:

exactly

[11:15:49]

qu0zl:

i have repeat lines like that in my lircrc in parts and it works

[11:15:52]

_orko_:

jamesonq_: i had the same probs with lirc and all they did here is point me to mythtv wiki, lirc homepage and google.

[11:15:53]

jamesonq_:

what i had was technically correct

[11:16:01]

qu0zl:

heh, the best kind of correct ;)

[11:16:07]

jamesonq_:

futurama

[11:16:15]

Dagmar:

qu0zl: So what do you think would have happened had he been using ircat to test?

[11:16:29]

Dagmar:

qu0zl: As opposed to just flailing around, so to speak.

[11:16:51]

jamesonq_:

dagmar

[11:16:55]

qu0zl:

maybe he'd have fixed it, i dunno. But asking in here isn't completely unreasonable after giving it a decent go

[11:16:55]

jamesonq_:

<--- this is me, not caring

[11:17:14]

_orko_:

jamesonq_: can you pastebin your lircd.conf?

[11:17:17]

qu0zl:

stops people reinventing the wheel if we know the solutions to some of the more annoying questions

[11:17:28]

jamesonq_:

exactly.. thats the point of open source to begin with

[11:17:44]

Dagmar:

qu0zl: All I was seeing was the usual newbie squealing "I red so much stuf!" and not actually knowing where to put the freaking lircrc file, which is just _sad_

[11:17:49]

qu0zl:

i agree with you about people who don't even give it a decent go

[11:17:57]

jamesonq_:

dagmar, i had the lircrc file in the right place

[11:18:00]

Dagmar:

To me, that says "illiterate"

[11:18:04]

jamesonq_:

but after seeing some different sites disagreeing

[11:18:15]

jamesonq_:

i thought id ask someone who had it in the correct spot and knew it was in the correct spot

[11:18:18]

qu0zl:

ahh dagmar, that is a bit tricky. we don't even call it .lircrc unlike the lirc documentation and every other program

[11:18:19]

Dagmar:

Like, I'll bet right now he still thinks I can see what he's typing.

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qu0zl:

a dots easy to miss :)

[11:18:27]

qu0zl:

lol

[11:18:28]

_orko_:

jamesonq_: can you pastebin your lircd.conf?

[11:19:04]

jamesonq_:

yea 1 sec

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Dagmar:

qu0zl: Yeah, but it's at least documented that the file needs to be stuck in ~/.mythtv/lircrc and they even mention that it can be in either place for 0.21

[11:19:56]

jamesonq_:

actually orko

[11:19:58]

Dagmar:

In fact it even says "(note no dot at the start of the filename)"

[11:20:02]

jamesonq_:

i used one that was ready

[11:20:10]

jamesonq_:

for hauppage cards

[11:20:50]

jamesonq_:

http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/hauppauge . . . nf.hauppauge

[11:21:11]

qu0zl:

lol that must be a reasonably recent addition dagmar. i rememer being annoyed that wasn't there a year ago when i first got lirc working!

[11:21:23]

jamesonq_:

is he still going on?

[11:21:25]

qu0zl:

hmm, maybe i added that to the wiki, i meant to anyway :)

[11:21:34]

gardengnome:

those transcoding profiles, are they actually global or backend-specific?

[11:21:39]

jamesonq_:

i put him on ignore because hes kind of a 40 year old virgin type

[11:21:43]

Dagmar:

I was looking at the page for LIRC on the wiki when I told him the URL for it and to go read it.

[11:21:52]

Dagmar:

If he can't read, that's for his mum to sort out.

[11:22:09]

qu0zl:

anyway, i better do some actual work for a bit. My boss idles in here. Damn him

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[11:22:21]

Dagmar:

I wish my boss would idle in here.

[11:22:28]

_orko_:

jamesonq_: did you paste?

[11:22:28]

dustybin:

lol your boss idles in IRC

[11:22:29]

dustybin:

LOL

[11:22:30]

dustybin:

LOL

[11:22:31]

Dagmar:

Then I wouldn't have to tell him to avoid certain configuration pitfalls.

[11:22:34]

dustybin:

in the same room LOL

[11:22:34]

jamesonq_:

http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/hauppauge . . . nf.hauppauge

[11:22:35]

jamesonq_:

orko

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qu0zl:

he's a nerd too dustybin

[11:22:38]

jamesonq_:

i just downloaded from there

[11:22:42]

dustybin:

lol

[11:22:49]

qu0zl:

i can't say his name or it'll popup on his screen :) he built a mythtv box too

[11:22:54]

Dagmar:

little things like --enable-opengl-xvmc

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jamesonq_:

haha

[11:23:20]

_orko_:

jamesonq_: which remote do you have?

[11:23:32]

jamesonq_:

came with a hauppage wintv card

[11:24:36]

_orko_:

jamesonq_: i think you have to use WinTV Nexus-S

[11:24:49]

jamesonq_:

orko: this works

[11:24:57]

juski:

so.. I wonder what I do now with this minimyth stuff...

[11:24:58]

jamesonq_:

i just have to rewrite some things

[11:25:15]

_orko_:

jamesonq_: The thing is that this files sais Yellow and your lircrc sais yellow. thats a difference for lirc

[11:25:15]

Dagmar:

juski: Scrub your email address from it before you let people email you with more silly questions

[11:25:21]

Dagmar:

juski: Or just rot13 it

[11:25:32]

Dagmar:

So far, rot13 has been working pretty well for me

[11:25:34]

jamesonq_:

orko: oh i see

[11:25:34]

_orko_:

jamesonq_: so adopt your lircrc to the right spelling and everything will work

[11:26:04]

_orko_:

if the last remot ein this haupauge file work and you have no other you can rmeove the other configurations

[11:26:21]

juski:

er.. I'm not gonna make it public – jesus H christ

[11:27:12]

Dagmar:

lol

[11:27:17]

Dagmar:

Oh come on

[11:28:06]

juski:

naw I had enough emails from lusers about the themes

[11:28:12]

Dagmar:

heh

[11:28:13]

juski:

"hey great work BUT"

[11:28:35]

juski:

"thanks for your input, WANKER"

[11:28:39]

juski:

:)

[11:29:08]

jduggan_:

whats the time

[11:29:13]

** gardengnome gets lost in the transcoding profile menu **

[11:29:17]

jduggan_:

all my clocks are out of sync

[11:29:45]

juski:

<3 enn teepee :)

[11:29:58]

jduggan_:

:)

[11:31:41]

juski:

when I've had a bash at making minimyth worky on my s100 I might make it public, but on the condition that folks don't ask for support or extra features

[11:31:55]

Dagmar:

The new SILENCEWARE licence.

[11:31:59]

_orko_:

juski: i love your blootube. everyone who sees my mythbox is astonished how great i looks.

[11:32:08]

juski:

anyway, it'll just work (tm) on the s100 eventually thanks to gardengnome :)

[11:32:08]

Dagmar:

"You can do what you want with it, but I don't want to hear a PEEP from you about it."

[11:35:47]

Dagmar:

Man the rest of the lirc page on the wiki is a damn nightmare

[11:36:00]

Dagmar:

So much for consistent style guidelines

[11:36:01]

_orko_:

jamesonq_: does it work right now?

[11:36:10]

jamesonq_:

yes getting everything right

[11:36:12]

jamesonq_:

thanks for the help

[11:36:30]

jamesonq_:

the OK button is the only one not working for some reason

[11:36:32]

jamesonq_:

i'll figure it out

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Dagmar:

I guess I'll go do an exploded view illustration of how it works so the people who can't read won't be so damn lost

[11:38:50]

jamesonq_:

sweet

[11:39:03]

jamesonq_:

got everything working ^_^

[11:48:57]

gardengnome:

i'm confused.

[11:49:20]

gardengnome:

no, i'm not.

[11:49:22]

gardengnome:

never mind.

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clever[rev]:

Table './mythconverg/credits' is marked as crashed and should be repaired

[11:51:05]

clever[rev]:

thats probly a result of the 0.5 second power drop i had a few hours ago

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dustybin:

has anyone seen '300'

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Zider:

300 what?

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dustybin:

http://300themovie.warnerbros.com/

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Zider:

bloody flash-site :P

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dustybin:

im gonna go watch it this afternoon

[12:02:37]

juski:

from the creators of "shite film" .. comes another "shite film" yay!

[12:02:59]

dustybin:

that looks good

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Zider:

juski: warner bros you mean?

[12:03:35]

juski:

jennifer ellison looks good. then she opens her mouth

[12:04:02]

gardengnome:

juski: sudo bash; sudo passwd? :)

[12:04:17]

juski:

sudo passwd root

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Zider:

she looks weird

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Zider:

not good imo :P

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juski:

bad example

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dustybin:

i dont go for blondes personally

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Zider:

me neither

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dustybin:

i always tend to think they are a bit dizzy

[12:05:15]

Zider:

and definitely not big tits

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Dagmar:

I just find it amusing that people are claiming the movie is racist.

[12:05:32]

Dagmar:

"it's evil because all the 'bad guys' are of arabic decent!"

[12:05:43]

Dagmar:

History is a real bitch like that

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juski:

I've not seen it so I can just carry on claiming it's shite :)

[12:06:14]

Zider:

Dagmar: sort of like that temptation of christ or whatever the title was.. :)

[12:06:52]

Dagmar:

I don't recall anyone claiming it was racist.

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Dagmar:

I think those claims might have been drowned out by those asking why a snuff flick was in their theater

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Zider:

hehe'

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juski:

you'll never have any trouble spotting me in a cinema – I'm the one rolling his eyes at EVERY single trailer

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Zider:

juski: I love trailers, they tell me what to downl.. err, look for in the video store later.. ;)

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Dagmar:

I've grown fond of hte IMAX theatre

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juski:

there's not a single one I've seen this year I'd even consider downl.. er renting

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Dagmar:

It's a buck more, but you never have to watch car advertisements

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Zider:

rise of the silver surfer, ohyes :)

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Zider:

gotta love marvel movies

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nelius:

is tv_grab_de_tvtoday broken, or do i have a local problem?

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janneg:

nelius: afaik it is broken

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nelius:

where do i have to look for patches?

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gardengnome:

nelius: the XMLTV mailing lists.

[14:23:10]

gardengnome:

or switch to the prisma grabber at http://sfr.mythwiki.de

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janneg:

xmltv ml or xmltv bug tracker at sourceforge

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nelius:

gardengnome: the prisma grabber is still working?

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dustybin:

some good news for the debian users amongst us :)

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speedsix:

Hi chaps, is there anyway I can determine what svn revision I need to check out to get the correct version for the schema for my database? I backed up my database and built the latest svn but it segfaults when I watch a recording. I want to go back to the version I was using but forgot to right it down when I did an svn update! doh

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speedsix:

db schema is 1163

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thylacine222:

Does anyone know if you can stop mythcommflag from being run on LiveTV recordings?

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Dagmar:

Undo what you did thta turned it on

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Dagmar:

It's not doing that by default

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speedsix:

anyone any idea how I can find out which svn revisions use 1163 schema?

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juski:

check the commits archive maybe?

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speedsix:

stupid question, how would I do that, same as 'svn log'?

[14:42:18]

juski:

go to the commits mailing list archive

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juski:

or maybe svn log..

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speedsix:

ok..

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speedsix:

I've tried 3 recent revisions, 13100 to 13150 and I can't watch recordings with any of them

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juski:

why not just grab the same revision as your backend & end the ambiguity?

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thylacine222:

Well, is there anyway to automatically delete LiveTV recordings at a certain time??

[14:45:01]

speedsix:

svn update on both of them *slaps forehead*

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thylacine222:

Or as soon as you're done watching them?

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juski:

thylacine222: they get deleted after 24 hours or when you get to a threshold of hdd space – whichever is sooner

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juski:

if they're shorter than 2 minutes in duration they are deleted immediately

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thylacine222:

Ok, my problem is that I have to run mythcommflag at 2 in the morning or else it messes up my recordings, except there is no command to just commflag regular recordings, at least not that I can find, so it flags everything and takes twice the time.

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juski:

I didn't think it was even possible to commflag livetv

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thylacine222:

Apparently it is now

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juski:

so set it to only occur between certain times. you can do that

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thylacine222:

Mythcommflag?

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thylacine222:

I thought you could only do that for mythfilldb

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speedsix:

don't suppose anyone knows what db schema version the latest stable release uses?

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juski:

speedsix: just make sure all the versions you use are the same

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juski:

less pain and besides IT'S THE PROPER WAY TO DO IT

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juski:

thylacine222: in mythtv-setup you can limit the times jobs run between

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speedsix:

I know, like I say I did an svn update on both front/backend so I don't know which version I was using

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rsdvd:

speedsix : do another svn update on them both and they will be in-line again

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juski:

svn info will tell you stuff, as will 'mythfrontend --version'

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tank-man:

thylacine222, why only run mythcommflag at 2am? i just run them after the show is recorded. mythtv-setup lets you set the jobs to low cpu usage

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speedsix:

rsdvd, the latest revisions don't work properly and I have no way of knowing what version I was using successfully except the db schema of my backed up db. Svn info will just tell me the current checked out version, i.e the very latest. The only thing I can think of is to jump back several revisions until I get one that works

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thylacine222:

I'm not sure if that will even work, I have a 900Mhz PIII.

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tank-man:

thylacine222, worked fine for my amd 1ghz

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thylacine222:

Will try.

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tank-man:

put it on low cpu usage in the setup

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thylacine222:

So, do I need to make a new user job, or if I enable mythcommflag is that automatically a userjob?

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juski:

tank-man: bet you weren't using a lamegrabber though ;)

[14:59:05]

tank-man:

the amd 1ghz was also my desktop and didnt get in my way

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tank-man:

pvr250

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tank-man:

hardware mpeg2 capture

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thylacine222:

Wait, will this work if this computer is also a frontend?

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tank-man:

thylacine222, are you using a framegrabber?

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thylacine222:

No

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thylacine222:

PVR 150

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juski:

hometime!!!!!! woooohooo!

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gr33npho3nix:

hey guys, so i finally got console access and found out why my sound is screwed, my dvr card has a seperate audio out jack, so none of the audio goes through my machine (doesn't get recorded), anybody seen this before or know where i might start to fix this problem

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gardengnome:

gr33npho3nix: what kind of capture card?

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gardengnome:

a framegrabber card?

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sECuRE_:

hi.. how do I configure mythfrontend?

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sECuRE_:

when i launch it, it connects to the backend and plays TV

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sECuRE_:

that's fine, but there should be a setup somewhere, shouldn't it?

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jamesonq_:

mythtv-setup

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jamesonq_:

mythfrontend

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sECuRE_:

isn't mythtv-setup only for the backend?

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anykey_:

you could always read the documentation...

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jamesonq_:

run mythfrontend

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speedsix:

there's a setup option in the frontend

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sECuRE_:

speedsix: where?

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jamesonq_:

the big glowing button

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sECuRE_:

what key to press?

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jamesonq_:

enter

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speedsix:

last option on the front page

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sECuRE_:

argh. i was launching mythtv instead of mythfrontend ;)

[15:43:45]

sECuRE_:

thanks

[15:44:07]

sECuRE_:

i also don't have a cursor in the myth-apps

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jamesonq_:

you shouldnt need one

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jamesonq_:

you should eventually be using a remote anyway

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speedsix:

'mythtv' and 'mythfrontend' are the same thing aren't they?

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sECuRE_:

speedsix: not really

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jamesonq_:

never run mythtv before

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sECuRE_:

mythtv _just_ plays tv

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speedsix:

oh

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jamesonq_:

i think mythtv is for implementation in alternative gui software

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speedsix:

ah

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sECuRE_:

jamesonq_: well, pressing the arrow keys on my keyboard somehow fucks up the rendering

[15:45:10]

sECuRE_:

some items disappear then

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sECuRE_:

and i don't have a remote to use, i also don't want one

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jamesonq_:

try switching the render mode

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jamesonq_:

if its on opengl, make it Qt

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sECuRE_:

ok

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sECuRE_:

ah, cursor was disabled in settings

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sECuRE_:

thanks!

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jamesonq_:

heh

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sECuRE_:

mythtv rocks.. it rocks even more when comparing it to VDR

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sECuRE_:

is there an easy way to re-order channels?

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jamesonq_:

anyone know a way to add channels that you cant actually tune your card to

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jamesonq_:

i'm using composite which doesnt have channels in the first place

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sECuRE_:

insert it into the database? ;)

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sECuRE_:

using mysql directly

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jamesonq_:

but to make the program guide correctly display titles i need to tune to channels higher than 125

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jamesonq_:

really theres no easier way in myth

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sECuRE_:

i'm not sure

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sECuRE_:

been using it for about 2 days now

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jamesonq_:

ah

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tank-man:

jamesonq_, in mythtv-setup, you can do what you want

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jamesonq_:

i changed somet higns around waiting for the db to restore

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Mersault:

I've noticed some degraded performance from MythTV as of late. I checked the fragmentation of the filesystem used for the media (xfs), and it was over 98%. I also use this filesystem for bittorrent downloads, which is what I suspect actually fragmented the filesystem so bad. After a pass with xfs_fsr, it's still over 94%. Is there another solution besides just running xfs_fsr in an infinite loop for a week?

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jamesonq_:

running it for 2 weeks?

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jamesonq_:

is it almost full

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Mersault:

well, there's always about 13 gigs free

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Mersault:

that's how much I told mythtv to always leave

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jamesonq_:

ah

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jamesonq_:

no idea then

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Mersault:

and I wasn't running any torrents or recording any movies at the time I defraged it

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jamesonq_:

try using a live disc

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jamesonq_:

and defragginf rom there

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** xris hopes that Mersault didn't just admit to anything illegal IN the channel **

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jamesonq_:

torrents are illegal?

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sECuRE_:

why, bittorrent is not illegal? you can download linux ISOs and stuff ;)

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juski:

the wink says it all, mister pirate

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sECuRE_:

i'm not using bittorrent anyway

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sECuRE_:

and if, mostly for sharing the recordings from 23C3

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jamesonq_:

he pirated his copy of linux

[16:14:36]

Mersault:

I totally pirated my copy of ubuntu

[16:14:40]

jamesonq_:

lol

[16:14:43]

sECuRE_:

yes, i even admit that i pirated my linux

[16:14:46]

jamesonq_:

its so easy to get past the protection

[16:14:51]

sECuRE_:

yeah

[16:14:57]

sECuRE_:

they didn't think about it when designing that

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jamesonq_:

bunch of noobs

[16:15:30]

jamesonq_:

damn man

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jamesonq_:

i can not get my channels to go above 150

[16:15:42]

juski:

yeah I have to admit linux is way too easy to get ahold of and install

[16:16:05]

jamesonq_:

the channel editor shows channels well above 150

[16:16:13]

jamesonq_:

but in practice

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jamesonq_:

i cant change to any channel above 150

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juski:

jamesonq_: are the channels you can't tune to bound to a video source?

[16:16:40]

juski:

hmmm? ;)

[16:16:54]

jamesonq_:

are they bound to a video source

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jamesonq_:

o

[16:17:12]

jamesonq_:

yes they are

[16:17:22]

jamesonq_:

if i go into channel editor in mythtv-setup

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juski:

they need to be associated with a video source (listings) which is in turn associated with a video input on tuner card(s)

[16:17:27]

jamesonq_:

i see

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jamesonq_:

249. Comedy central

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jamesonq_:

video source: directv_chans

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jamesonq_:

which is what im using

[16:17:53]

jamesonq_:

i go to watch live tv

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jamesonq_:

punch in 249

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jamesonq_:

nadda

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juski:

do you see the channels in browse mode?

[16:18:24]

jamesonq_:

browse mode?

[16:18:36]

juski:

browse mode

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juski:

!

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jamesonq_:

what is browse mode

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juski:

press M while in live tv

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juski:

select browse mode. then you'll see

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jamesonq_:

oh

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juski:

or you could have RTFM

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jamesonq_:

ok

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jamesonq_:

lemme see

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Dagmar:

Bullshit

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Dagmar:

People can't read.

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juski:

can't / won't ... same diff

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jamesonq_:

yeah theres no browse mode

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juski:

yes there is

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jamesonq_:

are you talking about the guide?

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juski:

no

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juski:

I'm talking about BROWSE MODE

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jamesonq_:

ok

[16:20:29]

jamesonq_:

well it's not there

[16:20:56]

jamesonq_:

Program Guide, Previous Channel, Change Aspect Ratio, Manual Zoom Mode, Adjust Audio Sync, Adjust Time Stret, Video Scan, Sleep

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jamesonq_:

this is the menu

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jamesonq_:

no browse mode

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fryfrog:

scroll down more?

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jamesonq_:

loops back to top

[16:21:27]

fryfrog:

wtf

[16:21:32]

fryfrog:

ah

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jamesonq_:

theres nothing else

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fryfrog:

was that last line... reversed?

[16:21:48]

fryfrog:

wait, sorry what are you looking for?

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jamesonq_:

he says theres a browse mode

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jamesonq_:

and i dont see it

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fryfrog:

isn't browse mode where you can go up/down channels w/o it actually changing?

[16:22:17]

fryfrog:

is that what you mean?

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jamesonq_:

you mean pressing up and down?

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jamesonq_:

i can do that

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jamesonq_:

and no it doesnt go past 150 doing that

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fryfrog:

tuner

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fryfrog:

is the tuner you are on using those channels?

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jamesonq_:

im using a composite cable

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jamesonq_:

which doesnt even have channels

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fryfrog:

i don't think *that* feature will cross tuners, if you know what i mean

[16:23:07]

fryfrog:

so how do you change channels?

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jamesonq_:

IR blaster

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fryfrog:

ah

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jamesonq_:

through directv box

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fryfrog:

well, channels and mythtv are kind of different

[16:23:36]

fryfrog:

do you only have one input device?

[16:23:42]

fryfrog:

like 1x pvr150 or something?

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jamesonq_:

yeah

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jamesonq_:

but it doesnt matter

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jamesonq_:

i just need it to think its changed channels

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jamesonq_:

so the program guide will be right

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fryfrog:

humm, then maybe i'm just don't understand what you are talking about sorry :(

[16:24:17]

jamesonq_:

i need mythtv to change the channel

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gr33npho3nix:

gardengnome: sorry, i spaced, i don't have the model number with me but its hauppauge and its a software encoder

[16:24:27]

jamesonq_:

except im using composite, which has no channels

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jamesonq_:

but i need the program guide to think im on channel 249

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adante:

TO THE BOOK DEPOSITORY!

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jamesonq_:

and it doesnt let me go above 150

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xris:

jamesonq_: does the GUIDE show channel 249?

[16:24:54]

jamesonq_:

yes

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jamesonq_:

shows it and whats playing on it correctly

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jamesonq_:

but refuses to change to that channel

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xris:

and you don't see it trying to send the signal to the dtv box?

[16:25:24]

fryfrog:

do you have a channel changing script?

[16:25:37]

xris:

when I had dishnet with an ir blaster, I could watch the numbers appear on the screen as it sent them

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jamesonq_:

no im actually just using the directv remote atm

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fryfrog:

maybe myth knows that it isn't actually able to change the channel?

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jamesonq_:

lol

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jamesonq_:

well its going to channel 1–150

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fryfrog:

why not setup the irblaster and such

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fryfrog:

OHHH

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jamesonq_:

which arent even channels

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jamesonq_:

but 151? oh nooo

[16:26:25]

jamesonq_:

wtf is 151? huh?

[16:26:31]

jamesonq_:

i have the full program guide for it and channel info

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fryfrog:

sorry, don't have a clue what could be going on. mine go up to 841+ accross 2 different types of "tuners"

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jamesonq_:

yeaaaa

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xris:

jamesonq_: mythfrontend -v all

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xris:

mythbackend -v all

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xris:

watch what it logs when you try to change channels...

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jamesonq_:

ok

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fryfrog:

maybe compare a good change to a bad change

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gardengnome:

gr33npho3nix: you need to read up on how audio capturing works in mythtv.

[16:32:06]

gr33npho3nix:

gardengnome: ok thanks, I'll lookt at that

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tank-man:

anyone else running .20 fixes? and also cant watch previously recorded (yesterdays for example) live tv? watching live tv works

[16:32:23]

Dagmar:

You can't watch TV that was broadcast in the past

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Dagmar:

The interface will let you try and then crash. ;)

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gardengnome:

gr33npho3nix: mythtv needs to record audio, even for livetv. it's saved to disk first before it's displayed.

[16:32:52]

kslater:

or played back

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Dagmar:

If you go into Recorded Programs you can watch it fine.

[16:32:58]

kslater:

:-)

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gardengnome:

kslater: smartass. :)

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kslater:

couldn't help meself

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Dagmar:

lol

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Dagmar:

SOmeone's already been after teh Wikipedia entry for Cesar Chavez

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tank-man:

Dagmar, yea, i am in recorded programs. watching normaly scheduled programs work, but if i am watching live tv, and press R to record it and go back later to watch it, it doest let me watch it. output from mythfront is here: http://paste.uni.cc/14190 (first i am watching live tv and it works, then i go to watch previously watched prgram and it dont work)

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HeppyCat:

hail channel

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kristok:

anyone in here watch GolTV?

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Beirdo:

GolTV? what's that, golf?

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Zider:

or Gollum TV?

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lnx^_:

hey

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TunaTom:

me?

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TunaTom:

hey

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lnx^_:

hey to you too

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lnx^_:

okay, how do i make mythvideo recognise them, i.e. how can i access the files when i enter a dvd?

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TunaTom:

link the dvdcrom's mount directory into the tree of your mythvideos

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lnx^_:

oh duhh

[17:33:20]

lnx^_:

thanks (why didn't i figure that out on my own i wonder)

[17:33:23]

TunaTom:

Although in my ubuntu based mythbox, it seems to work out of the box.

[17:33:41]

TunaTom:

and maybe you have top rebuild the video database to

[17:34:17]

seth|work:

question, what table holds the backend info on say a slave box?

[17:34:45]

TunaTom:

settings?

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lnx^_:

yeah the problem is that i need to rebuild the video database. can i automatise it somehow, or bind one of my remote's buttons to do it?

[17:36:14]

TunaTom:

check the action that

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GreyFoxx:

lnx^_: You can configure each of the views independantly to browse the filesystem and not just the database contents

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TunaTom:

is in the menu.xml

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GreyFoxx:

So for example in my system "Video Gallery" is from the database, but VideoList browses the file system

[17:36:57]

TunaTom:

wow, that's cool.

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kermitthefrog917:

hey, can anyone help me get my secondary backend to process transcode jobs recorded on the master backend?

[17:38:23]

seth|work:

or rather a beeter question, does the mysql database have to be on the master backend?

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seth|work:

s/beeter/better

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lnx^_:

GreyFoxx: yeah i saw that, but i don't particularly like the frontend of 'videolist'. is it possible to make video gallery real-time, or update it in some other way than through going through complicated menus?

[17:41:12]

seth|work:

hmm, an even better question, where does mythtv-setup write that info to

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kermitthefrog917:

basically, I have an old machine running as the master backend, and then I have an Athlon X2 that i triple boot, and when I'm booted into linux, I would like all transcode jobs to be done on this machine

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GreyFoxx:

lnx^_: You can make it browse the file system as well

[17:49:19]

GreyFoxx:

But it's not realtime

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GreyFoxx:

It reads the directory list in, then dispplays

[17:49:55]

GreyFoxx:

seth|work: No mysql doesn't have to be on the master backend or on any backend

[17:50:03]

GreyFoxx:

It just ghas to be reachable over the network

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seth|work:

GreyFoxx: I found the problem, I just moved my mysql to another host (slave in the office) and I could not get its backend to fire up, I forgot to update the slave's mysql.txt files

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TunaTom:

Sometimes my remote seems to mix up it's keys.

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lnx^_:

GreyFoxx: ah, how do i do that?

[17:58:16]

TunaTom:

if I press three times down, it goes two step down and then pgUp

[17:58:39]

TunaTom:

funny thing is, irw on the console shows the correct keys.

[17:59:10]

TunaTom:

besides that, I'm really happy about myth!

[17:59:20]

lnx^_:

GreyFoxx: never mind, i was just blind. thanks!

[17:59:20]

TunaTom:

It's really great.

[17:59:46]

TunaTom:

I have it running on a 600mhz epia

[18:00:10]

TunaTom:

when scanning advertisment, the menues get a bit unresponsive,

[18:00:43]

TunaTom:

but apart from that, I have experienced only very seldom skips or freezes.

[18:01:09]

sECuRE_:

hm, how can i select the in-progress-recording (livetv) from another machine?

[18:01:18]

sECuRE_:

in 'view recordings', there's nothing

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TunaTom:

someone here responsible for any coding?

[18:01:51]

TunaTom:

just in order to thank!

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sid3windr:

yup, but not for mythtv :p

[18:02:07]

TunaTom:

well, that doesn't count.

[18:02:13]

sid3windr:

oh! :(

[18:02:21]

TunaTom:

which forum would I have to go to thank you?

[18:03:04]

TunaTom:

sid3windr: which forum would I have to go to thank you?

[18:03:32]

TunaTom:

Hm? angry?

[18:05:07]

TunaTom:

nobody here to receive the thanks?

[18:05:16]

TunaTom:

(except of sid3windr)

[18:05:46]

TunaTom:

okay then (sigh): thanks sid3windr

[18:05:48]

TunaTom:

:)

[18:05:56]

untoldone:

your welcome to thank me ... just dont have anythig to thank me for

[18:06:26]

TunaTom:

well, at least you're answering, which is a start. Thanks.

[18:07:08]

TunaTom:

Is there already an option to burn music to a cd?

[18:07:11]

immolo:

TunaTom- donation maybe? :P

[18:07:21]

TunaTom:

immolo: to you?

[18:07:40]

immolo:

well if you want I always need the cash

[18:07:41]

TunaTom:

immolo: just thanks. Thanks :)

[18:07:56]

immolo:

but there should be a button on the mythtv site

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sid3windr:

TunaTom: heh, nothing too public at this point ;)

[18:08:07]

sid3windr:

not angry, just eating ;)

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TunaTom:

sorrry for interrupting ..

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sid3windr:

hehe

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sid3windr:

no problem ;)

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TunaTom:

so, it's not possible to burn cds ?

[18:09:14]

TunaTom:

perhaps something to get my fingers dirty with..

[18:09:35]

gardengnome:

TunaTom: you can burn them nmp3 files on a CD

[18:10:04]

TunaTom:

gardengnome: I can? didn't find that yet.

[18:10:14]

TunaTom:

from some hidden menu?

[18:10:49]

gardengnome:

TunaTom: it's complicated, i think ;) you might have to enter the playlist editor, make a playlist and hit "m" or "i", that should give you a menu.

[18:10:52]

sid3windr:

I don't have a writer in my myth frontend box but there's mythburn... don't know if that only does dvd's

[18:11:02]

gardengnome:

not sure, i havent use mythmusic in ages

[18:11:09]

gardengnome:

sid3windr: it won't do music cds

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TunaTom:

hey, I found the menu.

[18:11:51]

TunaTom:

never seen that before.

[18:11:56]

TunaTom:

Thanks, gardengnome.

[18:12:05]

TunaTom:

But

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gardengnome:

np

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TunaTom:

(there's always a but, isn't?)

[18:12:27]

TunaTom:

the burning option is diabled :(

[18:12:38]

gardengnome:

TunaTom: oh, it will make a data CD; not a music CD.

[18:13:08]

gardengnome:

TunaTom: the menu entry for audio cds is there, but it's greyed out afaik.

[18:13:17]

gardengnome:

you can only write your music files to a data cd.

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sECuRE_:

noone watches livetv with more than one frontend at the same time?

[18:15:46]

GreyFoxx:

sECuRE_: I'm sure some do, but over all most end up not being changed to the broadcasters tie to show stuff and end up watching recordings

[18:16:07]

GreyFoxx:

But I'be had 3 livetv sessions going concurrently at my house

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sECuRE_:

hm, how'd you do that?

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GreyFoxx:

Multiple tuners

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sECuRE_:

ah, ok

[18:16:55]

sECuRE_:

guess i have to get into recording then, now ;)

[18:16:57]

GreyFoxx:

otherwise with 1 tuner I run into way too much stuff I want to record that are on at the same time :)

[18:16:58]

** juski googles this 'livetv' **

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TunaTom:

gardengnome: but why?

[18:20:51]

gardengnome:

TunaTom: because nobody ever implemented it.

[18:20:54]

TunaTom:

what's the sense of a menu option that's greyed out

[18:21:03]

TunaTom:

it's better to just remove?

[18:21:04]

juski:

maybe the developer of mythmusic didn't like the idea of people burning their own pirate copies

[18:21:13]

TunaTom:

well

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gardengnome:

TunaTom: it's also possible that the code was rejected. it's been a long time ;)

[18:21:31]

TunaTom:

I only want to burn my own guitar playing recordings ..

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gardengnome:

juski: fair use *shrug*

[18:22:03]

TunaTom:

gardengnome: so the menu is off by default?

[18:22:10]

TunaTom:

or is it just my configuration?

[18:22:41]

gardengnome:

the menu is off because it does nothing. there's no code attached to it.

[18:23:10]

TunaTom:

is mythmusic actively developed at the moment?

[18:23:16]

juski:

kind of

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gardengnome:

gbee and a few others are working on it, AFAIK.

[18:23:32]

gardengnome:

dunno if they plan on adding that feature.

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TunaTom:

so, that's something to get my fingers dirty with .

[18:24:02]

TunaTom:

at last

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juski:

damnit I have to wait til tomorrow to play with my minimyth build :(

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TunaTom:

build it on your own?

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juski:

yes – nobody held my hand or anything!

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juski:

download some stuff, edit a config file, type a command & away it goes :)

[18:28:01]

TunaTom:

well, some people use iso images

[18:28:16]

juski:

some people like using bloated distros

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TunaTom:

like me

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TunaTom:

oops

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juski:

minimyth is amazing.. very small footprint, only has the frontend stuff & some plugins

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juski:

the root filesystem is like 34MB

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TunaTom:

that rules it out, since I have only one machine for myth

[18:29:31]

TunaTom:

but 34 m is amazing.

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juski:

I reckon you could easily adapt it to include mysql & the backend stuff

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TunaTom:

but then I can adapt ubuntu to only include a minimal set of programs if I wish to

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juski:

nah even a minimal ubuntu install is much bigger

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TunaTom:

in the end you can adapt almost every distro to almost everything

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juski:

there's still too much cruft :)

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TunaTom:

yeah, maybe-

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juski:

in the bigger scheme of things though, what's 1GB when you need 1GB per hour (or more) for recordings? ;)

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TunaTom:

well, the size doesn't count ;)

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TunaTom:

what's needed to boot is important

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TunaTom:

lots of stuff -> slow boot

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juski:

er.. no

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TunaTom:

what packaging system does minimyth use?

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juski:

it doesn't matter how many programs you have installed

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juski:

minimyth uses the GAR build system

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TunaTom:

yes, but then you start adapting again, and that's what _you_ didn't want.

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TunaTom:

oh, stop. _I_ didn't want that

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TunaTom:

so building goes from source?

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TunaTom:

everything?

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TunaTom:

like gentoo?

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juski:

more like LFS

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juski:

you can download it ready-made, prime for dropping into a dir to netboot from

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TunaTom:

no pre-written receipts, but expanation to the user.

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** kormoc blinks **

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TunaTom:

kormoc: how did you do that?

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kormoc:

TunaTom, I closed my eyelids and then opened them again

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kormoc:

TunaTom, or I typed /me blinks

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TunaTom:

me sighs

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juski:

TunaTom: you just save yourself the effort of building it yourself, when you download it ready-built

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** TunaTom sighs **

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TunaTom:

juski: so in the end you organize yourself the source and do the ./configure;make;make install

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juski:

it's all scripted so you only need do 3 commands

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TunaTom:

./configure; make; makeinstall

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kormoc:

I don't think you make install

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kormoc:

given you are not installing it locally

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kormoc:

you're just creating an image to netboot from

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juski:

make garchive, which grabs & patches all the source

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TunaTom:

okay, that explains a lot.

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juski:

then make build, which builds it, then make install, which constructs the final rootfs image & puts it somewhere

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TunaTom:

a server for the frontend to connect to and download the image from is necessary?

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kormoc:

TunaTom, just a tad

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juski:

like I said you could prolly adapt it to include the backend stuff

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juski:

defining how it's all configured would be the tricky part

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kormoc:

and that's why I run gentoo

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TunaTom:

afterwards I used gentoo, but wasn't happy with the way they organized their updates

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juski:

if it just works (tm) there's no need to keep it up to date

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TunaTom:

turns out that I'm using ubuntu since 1,5 years and still happy

[18:44:48]

TunaTom:

NO NEED TO KEEP IT UP TO DATE?

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** kormoc shudders. **

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kormoc:

I couldn't imagine moving to pre-built distro anymore

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TunaTom:

why?

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kormoc:

TunaTom, sure, if the mythbox is isolated, why does it matter?

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juski:

if it's not exposed to the internet...

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juski:

or it only makes outbound connections.. no worries

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kormoc:

TunaTom, cause they all seem to do stupid things? I'm too ingrained in vanilla packages/gentoo style :P

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juski:

I'm sure it takes ubunut a while to get security updates packaged & out there

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juski:

besides if you're THAT pernickity about security wtf are you using linux for? ;)

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TunaTom:

still I'd prefer LFS over gentoo

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TunaTom:

juski: no need to get set up, I was just kidding.

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kormoc:

meh, I don't have time to handle a dozen LFS's

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TunaTom:

but enough time for gentoo?

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TunaTom:

overnight automatic building?

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kormoc:

Easily. it takes me around maybe 5 minutes a week to make sure everything is happy

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kormoc:

nothing automatic

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sid3windr:

< juski> or it only makes outbound connections.. no worries

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sid3windr:

= not enough :)

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kormoc:

I just follow the security announcements and update if I need to

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juski:

oh come on ffs

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kormoc:

emerge -u package

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kormoc:

done

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** kormoc shrugs **

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TunaTom:

and what's the difference to having the binaries pre-built?

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kormoc:

lots less time then having to do all the work myself

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juski:

anyway the trap I fell into with gentoo was not updating anywhere near enough

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juski:

eventually lost all track & reinstalling would've been easier

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TunaTom:

jeski: that's what my problem was, too. using a modem didn't make staying up to date easier.

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TunaTom:

kormoc: What's the difference to having the binaries pre-built?

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juski:

I have broadband. I just couldn't be bothered

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kormoc:

TunaTom, between prebuilt and what?

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TunaTom:

between sudo aptitude install package and emerge -u package

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juski:

if it just works, there's no need to update stuff – like I said :)

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kormoc:

well, ubuntu specific patches...

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TunaTom:

gentoo patches as well.

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kormoc:

as well as lacking or including features I want/don't want

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kormoc:

not quite the same style of patches

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juski:

I wonder how many updates ubunut wants me to install – stuff that might break mythtv

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kormoc:

I don't get gentoo branded gnome when I emerge gnome

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juski:

when I get linux back on this box it'll prolly be ubunut, but I'll have a go at theming the desktop myself

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TunaTom:

I use kde

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juski:

or at the very least get rid of that fucking awful BROWN!

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kormoc:

I also perfer sys-v style layout and more bsd style filesystem layouts, gentoo gives me both. Ubuntu is switching away from sys-v and has their own preticular filesystem layout

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TunaTom:

I set up my desktop, so it doesn't really matter where I start from.

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TunaTom:

no, the filesystem is the same .

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TunaTom:

sys-v is the init system?

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kormoc:

TunaTom, well, for example, I want xfce-4 as my desktop, without the xfce filemanager and with the xfce-4 mixer only. can't do on ubuntu

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TunaTom:

and ubuntu switched that, that's true.

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kormoc:

TunaTom, actually not, the filesystem layouts are *very* similar, but still not the same.

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kormoc:

TunaTom, /etc/my.cnf vs /etc/mysql/my.cnf

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kormoc:

it's all picky picky, but things that bug me

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juski:

I wish to hell more distros would use the same apache configs & crap like that

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TunaTom:

yeah, that's what i all comes down to, isn't it? Finding the distro that bugs you the least ;)

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TunaTom:

if only I had the motivation to do my own distro ;)

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juski:

at the end of the day I'm not fussed which distro or DE I install. it's all about the mythtv

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kormoc:

TunaTom, and honestly, least hassles. In our office, my box is the least problematic of them all, including the fedora and ubuntu boxes.

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TunaTom:

kormoc: might be because you _know_ enough to keep it running.

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juski:

with some distros you _think_ you know, and you _do_ know.. for a while until they change stuff enough to bamboozle you

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kormoc:

TunaTom, yeah, but the point of a binary distro is for people that don't know or want to know it all. needing to know source level crap to keep a binary distro running well seems a failure in my eyes

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** kormoc shrugs **

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TunaTom:

for me the binaries just save me the hassle of having to think about that.

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TunaTom:

if something breaks, i have to investigate.

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TunaTom:

whether it's source-based or binary.

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kormoc:

sure, but things seem to break way more often in the binary distros then the source, and I really don't put that much time into it all

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** kormoc shrugs **

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TunaTom:

I "broke my gentoo" a lot more often than my ubuntu.

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TunaTom:

not because ubuntu is better, but because i fiddle less.

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suNit:

What would be the next best card to a x-fi sound card that supports 7.1 surround sound

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** TunaTom blinks **

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TunaTom:

hey, I can do it, too

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TunaTom:

anyway, gotta leave. Was a nice discussion, though.

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TunaTom:

cu

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kormoc:

suNit, I always liked the 16 bit sound blaster lives, and some of them are 7.1

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lnx^_:

hmm

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lnx^_:

when i try to watch live tv from a remote backend i get the following error:

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lnx^_:

RemoteEncoder::openControlSocket(): Connection timed out.

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lnx^_:

GetEntryAt(-1) failed. EntryToProgram(0@Thu Jan 1 02:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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lnx^_:

what could be wrong

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suNit:

can you ping the mythtv backend?

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lnx^_:

yep

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lnx^_:

what do those errors refer t o?

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lnx^_:

to? even*

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suNit:

no idea, just started looking at mythtv

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kormoc:

did you follow the instructions in the documentation to allow remote frontends?

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lnx^_:

hmm, where can i find that?

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juski:

where can you find the uhhhh documentation?

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juski:

how did you find this channel?

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juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/

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lnx^_:

no but i was searching through the index of the docs and couldn't find anything relevant

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stuarta:

evening happy campers

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juski:

evening stuarta

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stuarta:

tis the end of a busy week

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stuarta:

time for much crap tv watching :)

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juski:

I concur.. off to do that myself

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juski:

bbl

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stuarta:

bye

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** stuarta continues watching crap tv **

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ludmil:

I used the Channel Editor on MythTV and saved 26 channels. Later, I found out that I can in fact view a lot more channels. I went back to Zap2it Labs and modified my channel lineup by adding all available channels. After updating it, I typed in Terminal "sudo mythfilldatabase" and expected to see the whole range of channels added. However, MythTV only saved the 26 channels I had previously....

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ludmil:

...How should I fix this? Is there a way to add all channels listed in Zap2it Labs automatically, without the need to play with the Channel Editor? Thanks.

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TheAsp:

Damnit.

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TheAsp:

I wish profiles worked by resolution

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stuarta:

hmmmm, sounds like a bunch of specific recording rules

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TheAsp:

I'd like to avoid that

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TheAsp:

:)

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stuarta:

it comes down to you setup profiles for the destination format

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stuarta:

and transcode everything to that.

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GreyFoxx:

or custom userjobs that do the transcoding only after verifying resolution

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TheAsp:

Hmm, can you run a script when recordings are finished?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

They are called UserJobs

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TheAsp:

ahh, thats what those are

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stuarta:

the devil is in the details

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TheAsp:

nah, i can handle details

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TheAsp:

it was the idea i needed :)

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stuarta:

just don't forget to enable them and then wonder why they don't work

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TheAsp:

:)

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s_mack:

hello?

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s_mack:

hola?

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** stuarta listens to the echo from the other side of the room **

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s_mack:

[20:17:27]

stuarta:

no hablo espanol

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s_mack:

English?

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stuarta:

yes

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s_mack:

ok good

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s_mack:

I found this on a Spanish website

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s_mack:

whew... my Spanish sucks

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s_mack:

I'm hoping someone has experience with DVB cards and Myth

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stuarta:

in spanish i can do beer, food, transport & a bed :)

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s_mack:

lol

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stuarta:

ie. the essentials

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mddn:

hi

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stuarta:

s_mack: there's a few of us

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s_mack:

I want to use a DVB-s card to capture sat in HD... i'm new to all this. I want a PC-based PVR instead of paying big $$$$ to the sat company to rent theirs

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mddn:

somebody out there who likes to help me with mythfilldatabase?

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stuarta:

s_mack: unless all their stuff is free to air or

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s_mack:

yes... "or" :)

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stuarta:

you can get a *legally* available CAM

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stuarta:

then it's not going to happen

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s_mack:

is that a limitation of Myth?

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mddn:

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stuarta:

s_mack: no, we just prefer to stay within the boundaries of legality

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s_mack:

but can't myth control my STB?

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s_mack:

that was one of their "features"

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stuarta:

option 2

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stuarta:

a grabber card

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stuarta:

like pvr150

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stuarta:

which captures the output from your STB

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s_mack:

yeah, but not HD

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s_mack:

right?

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stuarta:

not really no.

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s_mack:

not HD... or I'm not right?

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juski:

not HD

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s_mack:

k

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stuarta:

by "capturing" your are downconverting

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s_mack:

That's where I came across the DVB... that's the only thing I saw so far that says it does HD

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stuarta:

you in the states. another option is hdhomerun for cable feeds

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s_mack:

I found other sites that tell you how to use DVB to get free sat... that's not what I'm looking for. I want my existing SAT, but use the PC as a PVR

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juski:

or a firewire box

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s_mack:

I'm in Canada

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juski:

ahem.. a cable box with firewire :)

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stuarta:

basically then it's capturing the output from the stb

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s_mack:

hdhomerun only works with cable? not sat?

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s_mack:

(what's the difference??)

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stuarta:

research required

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s_mack:

yep

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s_mack:

k

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s_mack:

"HDHomeRun – Networked Digital HDTV Tuner" is that the one?

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stuarta:

yes

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s_mack:

thanks

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stuarta:

even supported in the latest myth

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stuarta:

*ouch*, managed to get chilli up my nose :(

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s_mack:

yikes

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s_mack:

I had to go to the hospital once for chili :)

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s_mack:

Ok... dumb q that will help a lot: If it says it accepts "unencrypted digital" feed... once it leaves my STB, isn't it unencrypted at that point?

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stuarta:

well obviously...

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stuarta:

the other way of looking at it is

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stuarta:

has no support for encrypted feeds

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s_mack:

then it shouldn't matter if its SAT or cable. The page I'm reading says it works only with cable

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stuarta:

vastly different transmission mediums

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stuarta:

ergo, different hardware requirements

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s_mack:

I mean... once it leaves the STB? Does my tv know the difference? So why would this box?

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stuarta:

"accepts" is the keyword

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stuarta:

as in "accepts unencrypted digital feeds" != "analog output from STB"

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s_mack:

oh, right

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stuarta:

AFAIK that thing uses digital feed from the cable

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stuarta:

ultimately it's presented to the TV in analogue

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s_mack:

Even in HD?

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s_mack:

I guess I'm stuck renting the $25/mo HD PVR then

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** Kritter returns from the store with his remote! **

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Kritter:

now to make the box see it.

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s_mack:

I can't get cable up here... just sat

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** sandeen wonders if the seagate SV video surveillance drives would be interesting for myth backends **

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stuarta:

s_mack: dishnet?

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s_mack:

s_mack wonders why some people talk in the 3rd person in purple

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sandeen:

why or how? :)

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s_mack:

no, BEV

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** stuarta does a dance move to illustrate the *purpleness* **

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s_mack:

Canadian version of Dishnet

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s_mack:

lol

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stuarta:

is it as evil as dishnet?

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s_mack:

Other than that, I have no problem with the service

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stuarta:

heh. you need to find out if you can live with only the unencrypted channels then...

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s_mack:

I doubt there are any unencrypted channels

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s_mack:

so you're saying, there's no way to get HD Sat signals into Myth?

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stuarta:

have a look at lyngsat

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s_mack:

k

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stuarta:

problems. 1) most HD sat is DVB-S2, 2) 0.1% dvb-s support under linux

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stuarta:

3) most HD content is premium & thus encrypted

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stuarta:

4) few *legal* ways to decrypt the content

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mddn:

hi

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stuarta:

anyway $25 buck is cheap compare to the 35+ quid you can pay $ky

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s_mack:

Per month just to rent the box?

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s_mack:

that ain't cheap to me :)

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lnx^_:

hmm

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stuarta:

subscription cost, they give the box away

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lnx^_:

why does putting livetv on always change my volume?

[20:42:49]

lnx^_:

can i stop mythtv from doing that somehow?

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stuarta:

lnx^_: nevery heard of that before.

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s_mack:

I'm paying about $95/mo total for the subscription

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s_mack:

including a HD STB... but not PVR. Extra $25 for that

[20:44:20]

s_mack:

Anyway... lets get back to my original Q... but worded more carefully. Lets presume I find some magical way of getting the DVB-S card to work... will it work with Myth?

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stuarta:

$C ~= $A. 1quid ~= 2.4 x $C... ie. $ky ~= $95 pm basic

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s_mack:

Specifically... I'm looking at the Twinhan 1025

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stuarta:

myth works with any card supported under linux

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s_mack:

ok... so if its listed as supported at linuxtv.org, I should be good to go?

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s_mack:

because its not listed on myth's Wiki

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stuarta:

pretty much, driver support is for the #linuxtv folks

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s_mack:

that's a Mirc thing, right?

[20:46:01]

s_mack:

lol

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s_mack:

hey... figured it out! "/join #linuxtv"

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s_mack:

thanks!

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stuarta:

comes back to what is available unencrypted on your sat?

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s_mack:

well... if it comes down to it... I'll decrypt it the "not so legal" way. I'm still paying the monthly sub... so who cares, no?

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jduggan_:

s_mack: either way, best not to mention illegal stuff here

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s_mack:

I'm not going to stop paying... because if something goes down I want to be able to hook up the regular HD STB

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s_mack:

oh, sorry

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stuarta:

legal = CAM + subscriber card + dvbs card OR capture card + STB

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stuarta:

no other alternatives

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s_mack:

right... but CAM isn't available in North America (correct?) and capture != HD

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stuarta:

dunno about the CAM

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s_mack:

are you in Europe/UK?

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stuarta:

uk yes

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s_mack:

yeah... we don't have CAM over here

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s_mack:

as far as you know... there are no HD capture cards?

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** stuarta is struggling to remember what CAM stands for **

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s_mack:

Car Access Module?

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stuarta:

CAM is basically a PCMCIA card that you insert your viewing card into

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s_mack:

conditional access module

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stuarta:

that decrypts the stuff you've paid for

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stuarta:

yeah thats it !!!! :)

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s_mack:

yeah... we don't use that system in North America

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stuarta:

any ideas what satellite you are on?

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s_mack:

yeah

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stuarta:

poke around, you'll find what you can receive

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s_mack:

Nimiq 1+2

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jduggan_:

i cant believe there's no way to break encryption that sky etc use

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jduggan_:

not that i condole it, but i havent even read anything on ppl using it illegally

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stuarta:

well you're screwed on nimiq 1, folk & country are FTA :)

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s_mack:

lol

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s_mack:

and French

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stuarta:

looks like it's all nagravision 2. so if you could find a nagravision 2 cam, insert your card you'd be away

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stuarta:

for you the easiest way forward is STB + pvr card.....

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s_mack:

but again... will that work with HD?

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stuarta:

you'll get it, but it'll no longer be HD

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s_mack:

yeah, that's what I figured

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s_mack:

there's gotta be a way

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stuarta:

start whistling....

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jduggan_:

are there even illegal ways to capture $ky HD?

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s_mack:

what is $ky?

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jduggan_:

i never even saw anything to the affect on the net

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** stuarta gets out a gun and threatend to shoot jduggan_ **

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s_mack:

I thought you Brits didn't have guns!

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jduggan_:

stuarta: dont worry, im not looking for help illegally capturing it :)

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stuarta:

s_mack: $ky is also known as Sky TV. Owned by the murdoch clan

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jduggan_:

i have nthell :P

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s_mack:

ahh

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jduggan_:

s_mack: its digital satellite in the UK

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s_mack:

thanks

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stuarta:

the $ refers to the amount you have to pay to receive it....

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s_mack:

lol

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s_mack:

its cheaper than ours though!

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s_mack:

You said $95 (equiv) WITH a PVR box

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stuarta:

about the same (after exchange rates)

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s_mack:

Mine is $95 + $25

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jduggan_:

stuarta: i wasnt after info how it can be done, just wondered if it can be done, and if ppl are out there illegally recording, as to my knowledge(as far as ive read) nobody is doing it

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s_mack:

I never intended to make illegal stuff part of the discussion guys. Just wanted to see if I could do HD PVR on my PC

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stuarta:

jduggan_: if it could be done, i wouldn't know about it, and if i did, i wouldn't tell you about it

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jduggan_:

haha

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jduggan_:

ok

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jduggan_:

not to worry

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stuarta:

;-)

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jduggan_:

like i said, i have nthell anyway ;)

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s_mack:

what's nthell?

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stuarta:

hey, i've FTA

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jduggan_:

actually, virgin media, these days :)

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stuarta:

s_mack: uk cable

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s_mack:

ahh... sounds like what Microsoft Put us through... NT Hell

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jduggan_:

lol

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jduggan_:

NTL

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jduggan_:

but they merged with virgin and now trade as virgin media

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s_mack:

Virgin sure got huge in a pretty short time

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stuarta:

ntl + telewest + gloss = virgin medi

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stuarta:

media

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s_mack:

and over here... Virgin Mobile, Virgin Records, Virgin Soft Drink Co.

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s_mack:

Virgin Airways

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jduggan_:

yea

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jduggan_:

some company

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stuarta:

any other type is hard to find....

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s_mack:

Plus all those girls in the white dresses and blonde hair....

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jduggan_:

they tried buyin ITV also

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s_mack:

Virgins everywhere!

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jduggan_:

but i think $ky got in there first

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stuarta:

free virgins?????

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s_mack:

depends if your standards are low enough

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stuarta:

if your standards are that low, then the trades description act applies

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s_mack:

lol

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s_mack:

Hey... when even the sheep start to look good....

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** stuarta be wanting proof in triplicate **

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s_mack:

Ok... time for me to give up then.

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s_mack:

I might set up a mythtv box for the SD stuff and use a capture card and not worry about the HD

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s_mack:

just for the hobby of it

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stuarta:

if you fancy anything on HD then actually watch it live

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tank-man:

why watch it live?

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tank-man:

isnt that what mythtv is for?

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tank-man:

not watching it live

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stuarta:

capture != HD

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s_mack:

The whole reason I wanted it was because there's always 2 shows every wednesday night that are on the same time

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s_mack:

both in HD

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stuarta:

bugger

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s_mack:

but they are also on an SD channel.

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s_mack:

but then... I don't need the PVR at all then because they are Timeshifted on the SD channel

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s_mack:

so that's a self-solving problem

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stuarta:

pick which one you want in HD and watch it.

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s_mack:

yeah

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stuarta:

record the other

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s_mack:

no worries... if there's no good answer, then there's no good answer

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s_mack:

I'm sure sooner or later, we can capture HD

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stuarta:

sadly some things you can't fix at this point in tmie

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stuarta:

time

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s_mack:

not a big deal

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tank-man:

i'm sure you can capture HD, i see them on bittorrent all the time :)

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s_mack:

really?

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stuarta:

tank-man: then it's no longer HD, unless you can capture the digital stream

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s_mack:

what's bittorrent? (lol.. back to Google)

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stuarta:

which runs in at about 15Gb per hour

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tank-man:

i thought hd refered to the resolution,not the codec

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s_mack:

for my purposes... it does

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stuarta:

true, but the codec relates to the bandwidth requirements for the transport of the stream

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s_mack:

I don't care if its "technically" HD... as long as it looks HD :)

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tha_toadman:

would anyone around be able to answer a video card output question?

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tha_toadman:

i have a 7100GS card and i'm trying to get s-video out to my TV

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tha_toadman:

problem solved – "nvtv" package

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kormoc:

tha_toadman, really, you should just use the nvidia driver and it's tv out. it's all covered in the driver readme

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juski:

nvtv? ye gads no!

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juski:

binary nvidia drivers ftw

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juski:

and RTFM on the nvidia drivers to get the skinny on tv-out

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cheeseboy:

mike3_ you around?

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juski:

stuarta: hopefully just saving tha_toadman a lot of hassle & frustration :)

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tha_toadman:

it's working

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juski:

much as I'd advocate the nv drivers.. they're not a patch on the binary ones

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stuarta:

hehe

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tha_toadman:

my first experience with mythtv in the living room – the wifey's going to be happy

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juski:

well, if nv & nvtv is worky, good for you – but you know what to do if you have problems widdit ;)

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tha_toadman:

yep

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tha_toadman:

apt-get remove nvtv :-P

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juski:

hmmm wish I had better stats info on my homepage.. like how many downloads each theme gets

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juski:

anyway.. my bed awaits. nighty night all

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TheAsp:

Does mythtranscode update the db so that it uses the new version of the file?

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TheAsp:

Is mythtranscode supposed to leave .tmp files around or move them back to the orig name?

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Kritter:

anyone got any hints for making spdif work?

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Der_Thomas:

sorry I don't know anything about spdif

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Der_Thomas:

I'm looking for someone who is familar with Myth Archive

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Kritter:

an hour ago I had sound out the 'headphone' jack I guess, now I have silence out everything but have wired up both digital ports and the headphone jack.

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Kritter:

and I've unmuted the spdif at least. :)

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Kritter:

ok, now I just don't have sound on one channel.

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JoeyJoeJo:

can mythvideo's internal player show subtitles?

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sid3windr:

for the person who was looking for some surround wave test files, and for the one who had some but they were copyrighted, here's a gift from our redmond friends ;) http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia . . . l.aspx#link6

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alexvd12:

Hi all I am running knoppmyth R5e50 and I have issues with udev rules

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alexvd12:

Can anyone help out

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alexvd12:

I worked with several people on the knoppmyth forums however we could not find a solution.

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