Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, March 29th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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tank-man:

did you install from source? what kernel module/remote did you use ?

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tha_toadman:

i installed with apt-get (followed the wiki)

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tank-man:

lirc comes with serveral kernel modules, which one you using? i'm using lirc_i2c for my pvr250 remote

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tha_toadman:

i know it worked when i ran through the documentation – i saw codes on-screen after running "irw" but then i rebooted and nothings happening

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tank-man:

see if the module is loaded

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tha_toadman:

i'm using lirc_atiusb for my 'snapstream firefly' remote

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tank-man:

is lirc_atiusb loaded?

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tha_toadman:

how can i tell?

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tank-man:

lsmod | grep lirc

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tha_toadman:

no – there's nothing there

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tank-man:

try loading it with, modprobe lirc_atiusb

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tha_toadman:

:-( ..oh boy.... "FATAL: Module lirc_atiusb not found"

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tank-man:

looks like it is not installed

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tha_toadman:

do i have to manually edit something to make it load?

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tha_toadman:

i went in and specified it in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf

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tank-man:

depends on your distro. i am only familiar with slackware

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tank-man:

if your kernel supports it, it can automatically load some modules

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tha_toadman:

bummer, i'm running ubuntu

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tha_toadman:

when i was following the guide, i used "irw" and saw codes on-screen when the keys were pressed

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tha_toadman:

so would it be that the module is there, just not loaded?

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GreyFoxx:

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tha_toadman:

greyfoxx: ?

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ByteChanger:

Can someone tell me how to free up some space? Mythbackend is complaining its out of space?

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ByteChanger:

Any way to limit this somewhat?

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Agrajag-:

what do you mean it's complaining it's out of space?

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Baylink:

"Autoexpire"?

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Agrajag-:

you should have autoexpire on, and let myth handle your disk space

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ByteChanger:

Autoexpire is turned on, and age's are set to one day...

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Baylink:

Well, if you're on a newer release, I believe autoexpire is sort of Just In Time, isn't it?

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Agrajag-:

depends on the autoexpire type

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ByteChanger:

hmmm i'm using svn, and its running kinda late... heheh ;-)

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Agrajag-:

by default live tv recordings will expire first, as space is needed

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Agrajag-:

then it'll just expire old ones and record new, unless you've changed your autoexpire settings

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ByteChanger:

strange... no, I only just found those settings... never touched them before... hmmmm

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ByteChanger:

(found the autoexpire settings after the disk filled up...)

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Agrajag-:

my recordings disks are always full

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Agrajag-:

mythtv just autoexpires stuff as it's needed

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ByteChanger:

hmmm, but mythbackend crashes when it reports the disk is full...

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ByteChanger:

hmmm, looks like my sql is having issues too...

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ByteChanger:

oh well, guess I'll redo the install and try the stable version this time...

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ByteChanger:

(jumped ahead of myself I guess...)

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Agrajag-:

your mustn't have autoexpire setup correctly, or you've got other stuff on the partition taking up space

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ByteChanger:

hmmm.

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ByteChanger:

Nothing on the partition cept Debian & mythtv...

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ByteChanger:

only a 40 gig HD tho...

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Agrajag-:

err.. do you have a separate parition/disk for recordings though?

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ByteChanger:

it looks like a couple things are acting up... It seemed to run fine for the first week or so...

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ByteChanger:

Agraqjag: Umm, no, I just built a swap/jfs partition...

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ByteChanger:

i suspect it is all on the jfs partition... Sorry, I'm a idiot and new to mythtv... :-)

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ByteChanger:

That was how i did vdr... i know they are two different animals tho...

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Hoochster:

see how large they are

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Baylink:

Anyone around who has some maintenance experience with LVM?

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tha_toadman:

tank you still around?

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tank-man:

yea

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tha_toadman:

i think it was my whole kernel

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tha_toadman:

edgy uses -10 kernel image but mine along the way updated to -11 so i rebuilt it

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tha_toadman:

now "irw" is seeing the codes on the remote again :-)

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tha_toadman:

..i'm gettin there

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tank-man:

if you installed a new kernel, you have to install lirc again i think

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tha_toadman:

:-( ah don't tell me that

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tha_toadman:

so i have to rebuild again for the new kernel?

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Sniper00X:

i'm using nuvexport-divx to convert a mythtv recording, i choose my options and once it gets to the encoding stage it just gets stuck at: Starting ffmpeg --> processed: 0 of -15878 frames at 0 fps (~%, eta: unknown)

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Sniper00X:

any idea why it's doing that?

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Sniper00X:

nuvexport-xvid and dvd seem to work fine but they all take quite a long time

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xris:

Sniper00X: read about "debug" in the nuvexport entry at wiki.mythtv.org

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Sniper00X:

xris: ok i'll have a look .. thx

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Baylink:

Anyone around who has some maintenance experience with LVM?

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tha_toadman:

damn...the lirc modules loaded now...irw detects my keypresses...but myth isn't interpretting it – i'm ALMOST there :-P

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Dagmar:

Good lord cutting commercials frees up disk space

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xris:

Dagmar: depends on what your transcode options are set to, too

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Haekke:

hello, can someone help my with a mythtv installation? I need to install mythtv on a computer only for browsing and viewing my media files, video, mp3 ect. not recording.

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xris:

Haekke: doesn't really work very well for that

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Haekke:

xris: so the idea is only for recording?? I just want to be able to sit back in the sofa and play any movie located on my pc.

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Haekke:

via a remote control

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Haekke:

its no good for that?

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offset:

does the mediamvp have commercial skipping and a guide for live tv?

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tha_toadman:

last i knew, it didn't have comm skipping

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offset:

tha_toadman: any idea on the guide?

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offset:

i know you cant setup recordings from it but thats not a big deal for me

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tha_toadman:

i believe it did have guide

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xris:

Haekke: it works fine for that... but it's overall better (meaning no config nightmare trying to disable things) if you also use it for tv.

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Haekke:

xris: I never watch tv so it seems im outta luck or?

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offset:

great

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offset:

thanks

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tha_toadman:

n/p

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xris:

Haekke: you can theoretically install just the frontend, and mythvideo/mythmusic

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xris:

but all of the tv functions are hard-coded into the menus, etc.

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GreyFoxx:

You can edit them out of the XML though

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GreyFoxx:

or just never pick them from the menu ;)

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Haekke:

Well that sounds good aswell

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ubuntuEdgy:

can any one give me some assistant my other computers frontend work i get ,2007-03–29 02:22:44.185 New DB connection, total: 1

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ubuntuEdgy:

its stuck on "2007-03–29 02:22:44.185 New DB connection, total: 1"

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Haekke:

Hoochster, GreyFoxx & xris: alright then.. I think I will hold back for now then and think it over

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xris:

ubuntuEdgy: -v all

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jackyyll1:

I have a question. For each myth frontend that you have, do you have to have a tv tuner in the back end for it?

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onewheelskyward:

Not at all.

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onewheelskyward:

One tuner per simultaneous recording.

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onewheelskyward:

from TV, I mean.

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Hoochster:

jackyylli ONLY if you plan on watching LIVE TV on Each and every frontend at the exact same time

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onewheelskyward:

You can be recording with one tuner, and watching 3 recorded shows on various frontends all at the same time.

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Hoochster:

yup

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jackyyll1:

so if i want to watch live tv in one room, and someone wants to watch live tv in another the backend needs two tuners?

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Hoochster:

heh sorry onewheel lol thought that was him asking lol

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Hoochster:

yes

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jackyyll1:

Ic

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onewheelskyward:

Yes — unless you both want to watch the same show.

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jackyyll1:

that's what i thought

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onewheelskyward:

Then you can set it up to record it, and play it back in near-realtime on both frontends.

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ubuntuEdgy:

hi xris: what was that ? mythtv -v ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

also its only this juts one user that cant use the mythfront end ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

its stuck on "2007-03–29 02:22:44.185 New DB connection, total: 1"

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ubuntuEdgy:

any one around to help me ?

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xris:

ubuntuEdgy: mythfrontend -v all (never run mythtv by itself)

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hads:

Heh, I never noticed there was a mythtv executable

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Beirdo:

!trout psofa dumbass

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** MythLogBot slaps psofa with a dumbass trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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ubuntuEdgy:

use*

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n33o:

lol

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n33o:

k .., i found info on my tv card.. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2485586 it apparently works.. can anyone help talk me through configuring this to work with tvtime?

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n33o:

or any other prog

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hansent:

has anyone successfully configured Xorg to connect to a 1080i hdtv over dvi-d (nvidia 6150)

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jackyyll1:

which of the hauppauge cards are hte best for mythtv?

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tha_toadman:

tank!?

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tha_toadman:

jackyyll1: i use a pvr-150 – any would be fine though

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opello:

fryfrog: puts a ! for terms with a bell, nice

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Baylink:

One more try: anyone around who speaks fluent LVM?

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Beirdo:

Baylink: fluent? whazzup?

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Dagmar:

Their docs kinda suck but if you just blindly follow them to span two drives, after the first time it will make sense

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Beirdo:

the Linux LVM HOWTO is pretty good

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Dagmar:

Except for the forest-for-the-trees problem

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Dagmar:

Once you understand it, it's simple

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Dagmar:

Before then, not so much

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jackyyll1:

an xbox frontend will do the video decoding correct?

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Dagmar:

On a good day

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jackyyll1:

?

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jackyyll1:

what do you mean

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Dagmar:

Stuff.

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Dagmar:

...and occasionally, things.

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tank-man:

yes the frontend does the video decoding

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jackyyll1:

i mean, will an xbox do the decoding?

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tank-man:

for sd yes

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jackyyll1:

sd?

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tank-man:

standard definition

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tank-man:

vs hi-def

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jackyyll1:

oh

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jackyyll1:

k

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hansent:

has anyone successfully configured Xorg to connect to a 1080i hdtv over dvi-d (nvidia 6150)

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Baylink:

Beirdo?

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thylacine222:

I´ve connected 720p....

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thylacine222:

I might be able to help

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sigger_:

hansent you know what mobo you're using? Asus?

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hansent:

sigger_: yes its asus graphics card is nvidia 6150

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sigger_:

If so, and if you're having problems, you definitely want to check Asus' forums. There's quite a bit on the 6150 sensing DVI-D.

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hansent:

sigger_: thx...i appretiate the pointers very much!

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thylacine222:

What exactly is your problem?

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sigger_:

I was looking at an Asus mobo with 6150 on board. M2-NPV VM perhaps?

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sandeen_:

hey, is there a way to run mythbackend so that it's restarted if it fails..?

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** sandeen_ is lucky the tivo is still plugged in... **

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Dagmar:

Yeah, run it through init

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Dagmar:

...so that when it exits, init will restart it

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sandeen_:

suppose I could have thought of that.. ;-)

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Dagmar:

You're probably not using either runlevel 4 or runlevel 5, right?

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Dagmar:

Oh wait this WILL somewhat prevent you from using the machine with a head. :)

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sandeen_:

actually it's in runlevel 5 normally...

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Dagmar:

So what you might want to do is make runlevel 4 do nothing but start up the backend with nohup inside a while loop, and then start the frontend and X

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Dagmar:

as in "nohup /usr/bin/mythbackend -d -l /var/log/mythbackend.log > /dev/null &"

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Dagmar:

no wait that's still kind of insane.

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Dagmar:

ugh

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Dagmar:

Trying to do this on one line is a bitch

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Dagmar:

while (true) do; (that command line); done

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Dagmar:

EEK clarifying before you have 5 million backends

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Dagmar:

while loop goes inside nohup!

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Dagmar:

nohup { while loop }

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Dagmar:

Mainly I'd be concerned with why the backend is dying.

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Dagmar:

Mine just NEVER dies

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Dagmar:

Not in the last six months has it died even once

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Dagmar:

So you can make sense of what I said, the "&" at the end makes the process go into the background

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Dagmar:

ONce the parent process dies, *normally* the thing to do would be to kill all the children (grisly, yes)

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Dagmar:

nohup is a utility to intercept that signal so the parent can't kill it when it exits, normally used to start something so you can logout and it will just keep on running.

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Dagmar:

Doh. Don't use -d. hehe

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Dagmar:

Daemonizing the backend with -d will make the while loop immediately repeat. Very bad.

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Dagmar:

I been drinkin'

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Dagmar:

Can you tell?

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Dagmar:

Sorry I'm doing a suck job of explaining it, but the pieces are there

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Dagmar:

I should have just written up the script fragment in pastebin

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Dagmar:

I've got my myth box starting the frontend as runlevel 4, mainly so I can ssh into it and telinit it to 3 when i need to kill it off

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Dagmar:

The backend is set to be run in runlevels 3–5 so it just doesn't get affected unless I drop to runlevel 2

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Dagmar:

THis also lets me pretty much install the same packages on my desktop, since Slackware's X is normally on runlevel 4.

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Dagmar:

All I have to do is disable the backend from starting on my desktop (which would be poinless, since no tuners in it), and I can issue telinit 5 to make it go fully frontend

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sigger_:

saw someone describe a cronjob for similar task. not as immediate, but not bad

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Dagmar:

cron is a good tool for that

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Dagmar:

If the backend dies, you're going to get an interrupted recording anyway, so if it's restarted immediately or restarted at the top of the next minute isn't going to make much difference.

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Dagmar:

Note that the while/nohup solution will make the f*cker EXTREMELY HARD TO KILL if you actually need to shut it off.

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Dagmar:

...which is probably why there's no sample of that going out in the source package

[03:10:08]

Dagmar:

It's not entirely adviseable

[03:11:54]

sigger_:

hansent, what kind of tv?

[03:12:15]

sigger_:

and please do report back as I'm looking at getting a new sys with a 6150 on board

[03:12:44]

Dagmar:

sigger: You know it's a crapshoot as to whether that model will do XvMC accel, right?

[03:13:59]

Dagmar:

At least nVidia figured out people would yelp about it after they released the first ones without overlay support

[03:14:34]

sphing:

does xris still hang around here?

[03:14:40]

Dagmar:

yep

[03:14:55]

sphing:

excellent

[03:15:48]

sphing:

anyone in seattle using firewire as input?

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sigger_:

Dagmar, no I didn't know. you mean 6150 or the mobo I mentioned?

[03:22:07]

Dagmar:

sigger: The 6150 and half the 6xxx models in general

[03:22:58]

sigger_:

well, fwiw, I'm gonna get the http://www.linuxtechtoys.com/ltt/product_info . . . ducts_id/237 they refer to xvmc being setup.

[03:23:17]

sigger_:

and if its in print, it must be true ;)

[03:25:26]

sigger_:

I also figure I'll just get enough CPU firepower to cover up my inadequate knowledge of how to get a system running propertly

[03:25:56]

sigger_:

memory and cpu/bus speed do a lot to brush incompetence under the rug.

[03:30:36]

Dagmar:

YAY overpowered CPUs!

[03:30:37]

Como|Lappy:

if i were using a single drive for the system partition as well as the video storage, would you reccomend i split it up, or leave it as one big one?

[03:31:04]

Dagmar:

Multiple partitions

[03:31:23]

Dagmar:

The last thing you want is a recording running your disk a bit too close to full and hampering the mysqld

[03:31:46]

Como|Lappy:

allright, how much overhead (ontop of my system) would you figure mythtv needs?

[03:31:53]

Dagmar:

*sound effect of woman screaming*

[03:32:12]

Dagmar:

Not much so long as you don't get stupid and buy a framegrabber card

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Como|Lappy:

hauppage pvr-250 iirc

[03:32:28]

Como|Lappy:

one of the more common ones for this

[03:32:36]

Dagmar:

You could get away with an 800–900Mhz CPU for a combined frontend/backend/db

[03:32:46]

Como|Lappy:

oh, i meant disk overhead

[03:33:00]

Como|Lappy:

this is a socket am2 sempy 3000+ w/ 256 ram

[03:33:26]

Como|Lappy:

might wind up running a little webserver ontop of mythtv, but not much

[03:33:54]

Como|Lappy:

im just partitioning the drive right now

[03:34:03]

Como|Lappy:

and thought i'd do it right so i diddnt have to do it again

[03:34:11]

Como|Lappy:

250 gig drive

[03:35:44]

Como|Lappy:

installing slackware, trying out 11 for the first time

[03:36:06]

Como|Lappy:

i bet theres a real nice guide for this

[03:36:08]

** Como|Lappy googles **

[03:37:17]

Como|Lappy:

i forget if my card is a pvr-250 or 350

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Como|Lappy:

heh

[03:37:30]

Como|Lappy:

i bought it over a year ago for this project, then went broke

[03:38:47]

Como|Lappy:

with so little ram my swap partition should be near the beginning of the disk, probly partition 2 because im so used to 1 being bootable

[03:39:53]

Como|Lappy:

say, 10 gig system?

[03:41:14]

sphing:

Como, you entire system is 10 gigs?

[03:41:19]

sphing:

including video storage?

[03:41:20]

Dagmar:

Enh... 256–512Mb for /, 512–1Gb for /var (unless you have a ton of mp3's), 6–8Gb for /usr

[03:41:25]

Dagmar:

1gb for /tmp

[03:41:42]

Dagmar:

Slack 11's /usr isn't that big

[03:42:20]

Dagmar:

DO be sure ot install the 2.6 kernel-headers package

[03:42:29]

Dagmar:

Else your ivtv driver will not build without haxoring on it

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Como|Lappy:

no no, its a 250 drive, i want the system to cover os and programs

[03:42:39]

Como|Lappy:

the rest will be video storage

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sphing:

o gotcha

[03:43:23]

Como|Lappy:

just wondering if 10 will be enough for the os and mythtv

[03:43:24]

Dagmar:

Mine's still running off 10.2 or I'd say "here, download these packages"

[03:43:28]

Como|Lappy:

dunno how big myth is

[03:43:32]

Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: Yes.

[03:44:09]

Como|Lappy:

mmmkay

[03:44:17]

Como|Lappy:

and then i should make a 1 gig swap, because theres only 256 ram

[03:44:33]

Dagmar:

HAHAHA

[03:44:34]

Dagmar:

No.

[03:44:45]

Como|Lappy:

err, fdisk is mad anyway

[03:44:48]

Dagmar:

Thay would be wasting about a half gig

[03:45:00]

Dagmar:

1. buy some more ram, geez.

[03:45:04]

Como|Lappy:

well that depends on how much crap winds up running

[03:45:16]

Como|Lappy:

yes, i wanted to go for 512, but i was broke that week

[03:45:25]

Como|Lappy:

i'll probly pick up another 256 when they drop in price

[03:45:32]

Dagmar:

If you are using even half a gig of swap the machine will be so bogged it'll probably screw up recordings and/or playbac

[03:45:47]

Dagmar:

You want it for $10 or something?

[03:45:52]

Dagmar:

When was the last time you bought RAM?

[03:46:00]

Como|Lappy:

untill last week, 8 months ago

[03:46:09]

Como|Lappy:

it was pretty cheap then

[03:46:16]

Como|Lappy:

got a 512 for 32 shipped

[03:46:27]

Como|Lappy:

last week this 256 ran me 26

[03:46:39]

Como|Lappy:

would have been 38 for a 512

[03:47:00]

Dagmar:

Here, this is df on my box http://pastebin.ca/414613

[03:47:09]

Dagmar:

10Gb is more than enough space, but partition it up

[03:47:30]

Como|Lappy:

see, i never understood why people did different partitions for /var and /usr

[03:47:36]

Dagmar:

When I do a rebuild, I'm doubling the size of / and /var

[03:47:55]

Como|Lappy:

i've always made a standard system one / and a swap

[03:48:01]

Como|Lappy:

never had a problem

[03:50:56]

Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: Take it from someone with over a decade of unix experience.

[03:51:00]

Dagmar:

You want more partiitons than that

[03:51:01]

wilco:

I'm considering an Hauppauge WinTV 401 for my MythTV box; I've found this: http://preview.tinyurl.com/3czjnp, which indicates that it's supported by the bttv driver; does that mean it's just a framegrabber and not hardware MPEG encoder, like the PVR-[123]50s?

[03:51:15]

Dagmar:

Partiuclarly because this is going to be a machine you will be likely to simply ignore the inner workings of

[03:51:50]

Dagmar:

If whatever /var/lib/mysql is on fills up, your database will be *SCREWED*

[03:52:15]

Como|Lappy:

yeah, that reminds me, the root drive on my router/webserver is almost full

[03:52:41]

Dagmar:

I was being kinda lazy about that one, I usually make /tmp and swap happen earlier in the filesystem

[03:53:06]

Dagmar:

512Mb of RAM, and 512Mb of swap on it

[03:53:25]

Dagmar:

It has a PVR-500 and it's basically not hit swap yet

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Como|Lappy:

hmmmph.

[03:55:33]

Como|Lappy:

how big is that mysql partition?

[03:56:48]

Dagmar:

256Mb

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Dagmar:

Hence why I'm saying I'm going to double it when I get my calendar cleared up a bit more

[03:58:29]

Como|Lappy:

really, thats not big enough?

[03:58:33]

Como|Lappy:

how much goes into the db?

[03:58:48]

Dagmar:

That /var/lib/mysql partition is *all* of the database

[03:59:24]

Dagmar:

About half of /home is a bunch of my CD's mp3'd up, and I have the usual assortment of non-basic cable channels

[03:59:36]

Dagmar:

So basically, that's about average db consumption

[03:59:58]

Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: You might want to bookmark http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/mythtv/ and check it about once a week

[03:59:58]

Como|Lappy:

right, but what does myth put in the database? i mean, thats alot of data

[04:00:12]

LUDMIL:

Hi. I am newby with Linux and MythTV. I used MyhtTV video manager and obtained information about my movies via IMDB. This was easy, however I didn't get the cover art for neither movie. Any ideas? Thanks.

[04:00:21]

Dagmar:

I should have my box redone to Slack 11 before the end of April and the stuff is pretty heavily polished

[04:01:02]

Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: Myth stores all the programming schedules in the database, information about what has been recorded (pretty much "ever"), what mp3's and videos you have...

[04:01:17]

Como|Lappy:

huh. well, thats fair enough i suppose.

[04:01:35]

Como|Lappy:

how big is your /

[04:01:38]

Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: The bugger is that some of the methods for cleaning up the database result in it being made twice the size it needs to be

[04:02:37]

Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: Here, I did it with df -h so it uses "human readable" numbers.

[04:02:38]

Dagmar:

http://pastebin.ca/414624

[04:02:49]

Dagmar:

is 256Mb, which is kinda tight

[04:03:25]

Como|Lappy:

wow

[04:03:40]

Dagmar:

I have /tmp very large because I build the binaries in there

[04:03:51]

Como|Lappy:

i dont think i've ever broken up /var /usr and /home from /

[04:03:59]

sphing:

thats alot of partitions...

[04:04:03]

Como|Lappy:

so im pretty much clueless how to do this if i do it that way

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Dagmar:

Out of the 367Mb being used in there right now, probably 300Mb is stuff I need to go and clean up from where I started something building and then ^C'd it to make one last change

[04:04:27]

Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: you don't actually have to do anything special

[04:04:52]

Dagmar:

You just make the partitions with fdisk, and then tell Slackware what partitions you want mounted where during the install

[04:05:08]

Como|Lappy:

right, but as for what size i want them to be, im clueless

[04:05:29]

Dagmar:

It only gets interesting once you get past about 10 partitions because the Slackware installer apparently wasn't meant to have that many in the list box

[04:05:29]

Dagmar:

heh

[04:05:53]

Dagmar:

Well, as you can see, I'm only using 3.6Gb out of /usr

[04:06:05]

Como|Lappy:

i dont know what supposedly goes in there

[04:06:07]

Dagmar:

You were wondering if 10Gb was enough space for the OS and Myth and I'm showing you that it's more than ehough

[04:06:20]

Como|Lappy:

yeah, i was planning on throwing them on /

[04:06:25]

Dagmar:

What goes in /usr is basically "every program you use"

[04:06:25]

Como|Lappy:

and then making a /storage

[04:06:47]

Dagmar:

I have /var on it's own just to keep syslogs from damaging other partiitons

[04:06:52]

Como|Lappy:

just 3 partitions, / , swap, and storage

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sphing:

Como I have 3, / /boot and swap

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sphing:

(storage is on a fileserver)

[04:07:22]

Dagmar:

It hasn't been necessary to make /boot it's own partition for a while now

[04:07:34]

Como|Lappy:

i'd have to remember how to use extended partions, its been so long

[04:07:44]

sphing:

its not necessary to put anything on any seperate partition anymore

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Como|Lappy:

yeah, i never have with nic

[04:07:58]

Como|Lappy:

nix

[04:08:06]

Como|Lappy:

just seemed like extra work

[04:08:38]

Dagmar:

Yes, it is.

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tank-man:

when i did a raid0 setup i had to have /boot on a 3rd drive

[04:09:03]

Dagmar:

Unless you deploy quotas, you do NOT want the various subsystems able to create a disk full condition that could affect the others.

[04:09:36]

Dagmar:

You especially do NOT want the place where /var/lib/mysql is to ever become full

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sphing:

Dagmar, this your box at home, not some production server

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sphing:

if your /var fills up

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sphing:

delete the logs...

[04:09:50]

Dagmar:

If my /var fills up, I just delete the logs

[04:10:03]

Como|Lappy:

well, on my server in the basement i just made / and a swap

[04:10:11]

Como|Lappy:

and now / is almost full, and its kind of annoying

[04:10:16]

Dagmar:

If YOUR /var fills up, you will probably be looking at deleting the logs and then restoring your database from a backup.

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Como|Lappy:

dunno whats taking it all, but probly just crap

[04:10:41]

Como|Lappy:

this mythbox wont be at my place, so problems arent really wanted...

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Como|Lappy:

what if i just make a 512 partition for the db, a 10 gigger for / and a 512 for swap

[04:11:04]

Como|Lappy:

and the rest for storage

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Dagmar:

Partitions are free, and they don't require extra work beyond a few more keystrokes to set up.

[04:11:54]

Dagmar:

You're basically asking "What if i change the oil only every 15,000 miles?"

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sphing:

its a pain in the ass when you guess wrong on the size, and now have one partition almost full and other are near empty

[04:12:08]

Dagmar:

Hey guess what

[04:12:12]

Dagmar:

I pastebinned my setup

[04:12:18]

Dagmar:

There's no guessing needed

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Como|Lappy:

well i dont see why /usr and /var need to be seperate, im just curious

[04:12:43]

Dagmar:

In this case I have /usr separate because I occasionally mount it read-only

[04:12:43]

Como|Lappy:

i mean, if theres a good reason to do it then at this stage theres no reason not to

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sphing:

Como: to dagmars point, if your log dir fills, it could cripple your box

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tank-man:

Como|Lappy, if you dont see why, you dont need separate partitions for all those. Keep it simple

[04:13:03]

groOgle:

Strange.

[04:13:14]

Como|Lappy:

heh, i kinda like tank-mans point there

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groOgle:

My backend just claims to have performed a recording, but there's nothing to be seen.

[04:13:26]

groOgle:

Not even an access to the spool directory.

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Como|Lappy:

although i like the idea of not screwing up my database

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groOgle:

Anybody seen that?

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[04:13:48]

groOgle:

An hour earlier, it did a perfectly normal recording.

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Dagmar:

I guess I'm done compiling for the night so I should probably go ahead and put /usr back to ro status anyway

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groOgle:

This time, the logs just say "started recording", "finished recording" at the normal time.

[04:14:16]

groOgle:

But there's nothing there.

[04:14:30]

groOgle:

Lack of signal, maybe?

[04:14:39]

Dagmar:

COuld have been

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Dagmar:

Check the backend log

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groOgle:

Dagmar: As I said, I did.

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Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: While you might not necessarily have any use for a separate /usr, you definitely want at least /var/lib/mysql by itself

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groOgle:

Dagmar: It says "started recording", "finished recording".

[04:15:19]

groOgle:

Dagmar: But it lies.

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Como|Lappy:

yeah, i see your point on that

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Dagmar:

groOgle: And it says *nothing* out of the ordinary?

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Como|Lappy:

so a /, swap/ database, and storage partition

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groOgle:

Dagmar: Yes.

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Dagmar:

I've got /home separate because /home/dagmar is a samba share.

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Como|Lappy:

now i just have to figure out how to set them by gigs in fdisk again

[04:16:07]

Como|Lappy:

i seem to remember something funny about it

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Dagmar:

I dont' want to accidentally f*ck up the box copying things to it across teh network

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Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: You just say +1G

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Dagmar:

for example

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Dagmar:

Nothing odd to it

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Como|Lappy:

hm

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groOgle:

Just tried a new programme. Same thing.

[04:17:48]

Dagmar:

Maybe that the extended partition goes all the way to the end of the disk?

[04:17:53]

Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: Pretty much

[04:18:01]

Como|Lappy:

sounds fair

[04:18:08]

Dagmar:

Como; You just hit enter for where to start it, and then tell it +512M or +8G for the size

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Como|Lappy:

right, right

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thylacine222:

Has anyone here gotten a system to properly run with the backend being on 54G?

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groOgle:

Ah. The logs in the database don't include errors :-(

[04:18:46]

Dagmar:

Yep

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Como|Lappy:

think the drive would get mad if i started partition 1 at say, 64, and then made partition 2 1–63?

[04:19:13]

thylacine222:

Does it take a lot of prebuffering or something?

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Como|Lappy:

that would theoretically make partition 2 before 1 on the drive, making it the fastest theoretically

[04:19:54]

Como|Lappy:

the mbr should still be before that iirc

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Dagmar:

Don't try to get fancy and make partitions out of their normal order on the disk.

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Dagmar:

In that way lies headaches

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Como|Lappy:

...sounds like a plan

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Dagmar:

WHile it's a good idea to put swap near the front, it doesn't make THAT much difference

[04:20:48]

Dagmar:

No need to get crazy and try making it the very first partition or something

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Como|Lappy:

yeah, probly right after the 10 gig system

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Como|Lappy:

i was just thinking

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hads:

FFS, never call your submit button submit.

[04:25:03]

hads:

It really messes you up when you call submit() on the form.

[04:25:08]

groOgle:

OK, looks like an encoder problem.

[04:25:27]

groOgle:

It would be nice to be able to recognize a hung encoder and reschedule on a different one.

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Dagmar:

huds: Ummmm... what?

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Dagmar:

I would have thought that would be the *easy* way to do it

[04:38:16]

Dagmar:

Is this one of those sarcasm things?

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hads:

Dagmar: You talking to me?

[04:38:28]

Dagmar:

Yes.

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hads:

Na, if you call the button submit, then that messes with the submit() method of the form i.e. overrides it. so you then can't do form.submit()

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hads:

'cause submit isn't callable anymore

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Dagmar:

Geez I would have thought they'd have separate namespaces for that

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Dagmar:

I guess perl has spoiled me a bit

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hads:

It made me scratch my head for a while

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Dagmar:

Yeah this is why I do a bit of the nod & smile when I'm listening to Acidus talk about ajax fun

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hads:

I'm suprised I've never run into that before, but I guess I'm doing more JS now than I used to.

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Dagmar:

Crap

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Dagmar:

I have to find my perl cookbook CD

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Dagmar:

I've done so much shell scripting I cant remember how to easily recurse directories in perl

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LUDMIL:

exit

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sphing:

anyone have an appleTv?

[04:52:29]

xris:

sphing: didn't they *just* start shipping this week?

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sphing:

so?

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sphing:

hah

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Como|Lappy:

so when you configure mythtv, i assume you tell it where all your stored crap is gonna go?

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xris:

the linux hacks haven't even stabilized yet. heh

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sphing:

xris... long time, no chat... quick question: does firewire off comcast in seattle still work?

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xris:

sphing: yup

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gr33npho3nix:

xris: many were recieved last week

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sphing:

xris: my coworker got one, I'm ordering one as soon as get back from my trip

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xris:

sphing: they didn't look that interesting to me.

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xris:

esp. when I can get a full machine for only a couple hundred more.

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gr33npho3nix:

what can you do with firewire off comcast boxes?

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sphing:

they're cheap enough that its worth investigating whether or not they could be frontends

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xris:

sphing: $300 isn't cheap to me

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sphing:

well, what I mean is, they're cheaper than a new box

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sphing:

and if it doesn't work out, I could very much still use it for other things

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xris:

sphing: cheaper than a new box, yes.. but I can get a nice new core2duo for about $500

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xris:

(and probably will as soon as I get paid for some "on the side" work)

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sphing:

but they're so pretty!

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xris:

heh

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xris:

can't argue with that. :)

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sphing:

xris: can I message you?

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xris:

sure

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xris:

I don't really get the "ask to pm" rule...

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sphing:

yea me neither, but some people get offended

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Dagmar:

Well, pm'ing in help channels is kind of a iffy thing

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Dagmar:

IF someone says "Oh you fix it with dd=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=64 a few times"

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Dagmar:

...and no one else sees it...

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xris:

sphing: are you auth'd?

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sphing:

I guess not...

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xris:

heh

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sphing:

i haven't been on irc in well over a year

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xris:

can't pm on freenode unless you auth with nickserv

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sphing:

i cant remember my password

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sphing:

grr

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thylacine222:

For mysql?

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sphing:

no, irc

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xris:

sphing: if it's been awhile, you might just need to reregister

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sphing:

according to the bot in #mythtv 410+ days

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sphing:

how do I reregister, I dont even remember

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xris:

msg nickserv help

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sphing:

so I can't remember my password, and it wont let me register... I'm hosed

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kormoc:

sphing, talk to a ircop and ask them to release the nickname

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Dagmar:

Did you set the email addy?

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sphing:

I registered almost two years ago, I don't remember

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Dagmar:

I s'pose this will teach you to not script it into your client. ;)

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hads:

Yeah, a staffer should be happy to release it for you.

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archon-:

is there a page about how to get a working aspect ratio?

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archon-:

i cycled through all of the choices and none of them look right

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xris:

archon-: in what player?

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archon-:

the default one i guess

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archon-:

ffmpeg?

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Dagmar:

The majority of their users are compiling _everything_

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Dagmar:

bleh wrong channel

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archon-:

if i do mplayer -fs, it's wrong

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archon-:

tried -aspect 4:3 and 16:9

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clever:

could use -moniter-aspect

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clever:

my file is 4:3 but mplayer thinks its 1:1

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clever:

so if i tell it the moniter is 1:1

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clever:

it doesnt rescale the image any

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clever:

and it fits right on the 4:3 moniter

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archon-:

hmm

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clever:

if the file and moniter match

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archon-:

well i'm playing /dev/video0

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clever:

you can tell it the moniter is what it thinks the file is

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archon-:

the feed from my set top box

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clever:

ahh directly or thru the tv://?

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archon-:

stb -> myth -> tv

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clever:

mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:input=1:normid=1

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clever:

i had that working thru trial and error before i found mythtv

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archon-:

what is v412?

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archon-:

er 4l2

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clever:

video 4 linux version 2

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clever:

v4l2

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archon-:

ah

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clever:

its explained alot in the man page for mplayer

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archon-:

i don't think i have that installed

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archon-:

really i just want to get myth working.. i'm just trying different mplayer options to see what works

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clever:

its part of the kernerl and video driver

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clever:

its what makes /dev/video0 work

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archon-:

v4l2: ioctl request buffer: failed: Invalid argument

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archon-:

oh i see

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archon-:

normid 1 is PAL

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clever:

yeah but you can try defaults at first

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clever:

i just played with random values till i got the best image

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clever:

xawtv plays my framegrabber with ALOT less cpu usage then mplayer

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clever:

and mythtv is at the top on cpu usage

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clever:

based on cpu usage xawtv > mplayer > mythtv

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clever:

for framegrabber based cards

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archon-:

i have a hauppauge 150

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clever:

that i beleive has hardware decoder

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archon-:

yeah

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archon-:

mpeg2

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clever:

alot better then my crap:P

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archon-:

hehe

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archon-:

if i can get it to work, maybe

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archon-:

what is the default player anyway?

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archon-:

is it built into mythfrontend?

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clever:

mplayer has an internal player which is part of i

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clever:

t

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clever:

i mean mythtv:P

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archon-:

ah

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clever:

getting my words mixed up

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clever:

'mythtv' is a program which will use that internal player

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clever:

ive been able to run just 'mythtv' passing it the name of a nuv file

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archon-:

well same results with ff and libmpg

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clever:

and it was able to somehow use the comm flags and info from mythtv backend/mysql

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archon-:

yeah, that gives me the same results

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archon-:

mplayer says "VO: [xv] 480x480 => 640x480 Planar YV12"

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archon-:

and if i use -noaspect, it says 480x480 => 480x480

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archon-:

but it still cuts out a lot of the picture

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xris:

aspect should never "cut" the picture

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archon-:

something is..

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xris:

the tv, maybe?

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clever:

overscan

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xris:

how much of the image is getting cut?

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clever:

try playing non fullscreen and checking it

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archon-:

a lot

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archon-:

it is also cut non-fullscreen

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xris:

archon-: in window mode, does the window itself get cut?

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archon-:

no, i see the whole window

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archon-:

the picture in the window is cut

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xris:

weird

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xris:

how about switching to the Internal player instead of mplayer?

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clever:

move the window arround and see what happens?

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archon-:

same with internal player.. that is where i originally had the problem. i'm just messing with mplayer to see if i can find some options to fix it

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archon-:

moving the window doesn't do anything

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clever:

was thinking the video overlay wasnt ligned up right

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archon-:

by "cut" i mean the window is full of the picture, but the picture itself is cropped

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xris:

clever: yeah, that's about the only other thing I can think of, too

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clever:

:(

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xris:

archon-: so when you move the window, the picture doesn't shift within the window?

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archon-:

correct

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archon-:

the entire picture moves with the window

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xris:

weird

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xris:

try a different file?

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archon-:

indeed

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archon-:

hrm.. let me grab one

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clever:

i had a slight problem with mplayer for months

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clever:

but it went away on its own

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clever:

there was about 5 pixels of black at the bottom of the video

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clever:

allways

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clever:

and durring certain bits of motion i could bearly make out what i think where missing rows of image

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clever:

like the overlay was being scaled a tad shorter then the window

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clever:

4:2.9999 ratio kinda

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clever:

it seems to be fixed now and i dont remember when it disapeared

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archon-:

yeah, same for another random AVI i just grabbed

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xris:

archon-: what res are you running?

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archon-:

800x600

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xris:

and it's not trying to resize or anything?

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archon-:

i don't think so

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archon-:

i'm using mplayer with no options

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archon-:

everything else looks fine

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archon-:

just video is messed up

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xris:

you have xine installed?

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archon-:

no.. i can install it

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xris:

might as well try a non-ffmpeg-based player

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archon-:

k

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archon-:

the xine splash screen is the same way. not a good sign hehe

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archon-:

yeah it does the same thing

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xris:

archon-: it's something messed up with your X or your video card (drivers, settings or hardware)

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archon-:

i wonder if it's this ati driver

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xris:

but I wouldn't know where to look further

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hads:

Ug. ATI

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archon-:

yeah i'm gonna check through that thing

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xris:

anyway, time for me to crash.. archon-, good luck.

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archon-:

yeah, i know.. it's the only spare video card i had with s-video out

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kabtoffe:

is anyone working on the dvb multiple channel on same multiplex stuff yet?

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archon-:

hmm.. i play the video on my monitor instead of the tv, it looks fine

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archon-:

ah ha.. if i use -vo gl2 that fixes it

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archon-:

so it's the xv driver

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archon-:

so how can i make mythtv use that driver instead of xv?

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mattwj2006:

Good early early morning everyone! IT is 3 am here :)

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kabtoffe:

11:17 am here

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mattwj2006:

kabtoffe lunch time :)

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kabtoffe:

indeed

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mattwj2006:

what are you going to have for lunch?

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mattwj2006:

I am making a pizza for breakfast

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mattwj2006:

:)

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mattwj2006:

if you guys were here you could have a slice

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kabtoffe:

i dunno. Depends on what they have. I'm at school.

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Dagmar:

Or... we could just stuff into the compactor and eat the whole thing

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mattwj2006:

kabtoffe do they have stuff for salad at your school?

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mattwj2006:

if so a chief salad sounds good :)

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mattwj2006:

kabtoffe what are you studying?

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kabtoffe:

mattwj2006: software engineering

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kabtoffe:

mattwj2006: but I`m in my first year.

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kabtoffe:

mattwj2006: so can`t really do anything yet

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mattwj2006:

that is cool :)

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hashbang:

morning all

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hashbang:

anyone else using a VGA->RGB SCART adaptor with sync combiner?

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mattwj2005:

hashbang what would you use that for?

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mattwj2005:

:)

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mattwj2005:

I am guessing that is a European thing....I am from America

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kabtoffe:

it sounds at bit excentric to me aswell

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mattwj2005:

what are you trying to do?

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kabtoffe:

I`m going to try the xbmc frontend today

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kabtoffe:

I hope it`s nice...

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mattwj2005:

is that the XBox frontend?

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kabtoffe:

mattwj2005: one of them

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mattwj2005:

sounds cool

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kabtoffe:

But since I already run xbmc anyway, I think it`s the way to go...

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mattwj2005:

I have an Xbox....I am not sure if I can get to work

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kabtoffe:

put a modchip in it

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kabtoffe:

then you can run linux on it

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kabtoffe:

or xbmc

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mattwj2005:

that is what I want

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mattwj2005:

that is the reason I bought it :)

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kabtoffe:

xbmc boots quicker

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kabtoffe:

"boots"

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mattwj2005:

does Gentoo support the Xbox?

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mattwj2005:

I know there is a debian distro that does

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kabtoffe:

it`s just a program so I guess it loads

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kabtoffe:

yes. there`s gentoox

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mattwj2005:

hmm interesting

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archon-:

ok so aticonfig --overlay-type=opengl fixes most of the problem

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mattwj2005:

I gtg later

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mattwj2005:

:)

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hashbang:

kabtoffe: it's a way of getting full-screen, interlaced, RGB PAL into european TV sets

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hashbang:

kabtoffe: i.e. the very best quality you can get.

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kabtoffe:

hashbang: thanks. I kinda guessed that..

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hashbang:

kabtoffe: knocks composite video and SVideo TV outputs into a cocked hat

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kabtoffe:

hashbang: I`m from finland

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hashbang:

kabtoffe: I guess the US equiv. would be to RGB BNC connectors

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hashbang:

kabtoffe: ah, well, you should know this stuff already, then. :-)

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kabtoffe:

hashbang: yup

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kabtoffe:

I was trying to save you the trouble ;)

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hashbang:

just wondering if anyone else had problems with their TV flicking out periodically

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kabtoffe:

I use component 720p on my TV

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hashbang:

I've no idea whether it's the VGA card not putting out exactly the right signal, the adaptor, or what

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hashbang:

I hacked xvidtune to give me 4 decimal places in the vert/horiz refresh rates, and it reckons the card is programmed for 50.0000Hz/15.6250kHz

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hashbang:

(of course, what's coming out may be different from the theory!)

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kabtoffe:

well actually my tv has DVI and VGA aswell... So if I hooked a computer up, I`d prbably use them...

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kabtoffe:

hashbang: COOL.

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hashbang:

yeah, eventually I'll probably get an LCD, but I don't think the quality matches CRTs just yet.

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kabtoffe:

that`s true.

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kabtoffe:

dvb looks like crap

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hashbang:

especially a second-hand 16:9 Panasonic that originally retailed for 600GBP about 18 months ago, which I bought for 210GBP.

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hashbang:

kabtoffe: the shopping channels look crap, obv, but who cares about those...

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doc_:

hi there

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hashbang:

doc_: mornin'

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kabtoffe:

hashbang: They`re going to stop broadcasting analogue in the autumn

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kabtoffe:

hashbang: I`m hoping they`ll move the channels around a bit, so they get more bandwidth.

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hashbang:

(and that's assuming we stick to the schedule, which would be something of a surprise)

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kabtoffe:

most of the people are really suprised they`re actually going through with it...

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kabtoffe:

there are lots of people without digitaöboxes

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hashbang:

kabtoffe: well, here, the bandwidth has already been sold off, as I understand it, so the govt is legally compelled to follow through... eventually

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juski:

moaning

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juski:

I had to blimmin fix minimyth's build script thingy this morning

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rsdvd_:

Morning Juski

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juski:

now I have to try find a 2" HDMI cable.. yeah 2 _inch_

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juski:

morny rsdvd_

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rsdvd_:

2" HDMI ?

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juski:

yeah

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rsdvd_:

I think you will have to make that – I doubt anyone sells tham

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rsdvd_:

why so short?

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juski:

internal link cables

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juski:

good for video walls & stuff

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rsdvd_:

:-)

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rsdvd_:

my new frontend stuff should be here later today :-)

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Chai_Sangeen:

hello everyone

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juski:

there's a control room in birmingham with 32 of our 16-way machines apparently

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rsdvd_:

wow – lots of feeds!

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rsdvd_:

512 cameras?

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n33o:

Hi, im a linux noob, can someone please help me install tvtime?

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n33o:

*or myth tv

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n33o:

*I mean.. install myth tv

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rsdvd_:

n330 : seeing as this the mythtv users channel.....you will get more help with myth than tvtime

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Chai_Sangeen:

is there a nice looking osd for mplayer when i pause play fwd etc ? similar to the vlc osd ...

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juski:

sudo apt-get install mythtv

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juski:

ta-da!

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juski:

n33o: we don't do walk throughs. read some docs

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rsdvd_:

n330 : you are better folowing one of the guides if you are not familiar with linux

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n33o:

yes.. but i tried apt-get... It says.. Package myth tv.. is not available .. but is reffered to by another package.

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n33o:

*says.. however the following packages replace it.....

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rsdvd_:

n330 : what repos are you using

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rsdvd_:

also what distro?

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kabtoffe:

I installed mythtv yesterday and my biggest problem was getting xxmltv working. Then I noticed that the tv_grab_fi didn't get any listings. I had to compile the xmltv from debian unstable for my ubuntu feisty installation...

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n33o:

im using ubuntu 6.06

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rsdvd_:

Arhhhhh....why does everyone use ubuntu :-)

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kabtoffe:

rsdvd_: Wonder why.... ;)

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n33o:

because mark shuttleworth is a multi-millionair

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Chai_Sangeen:

n33o, please check this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy

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n33o:

and ships it free

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n33o:

thanks.. chaoi

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n33o:

*Chai

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kabtoffe:

and because I feel good about using it

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n33o:

lol

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Chai_Sangeen:

rsdvd_, what distro do u use?

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kabtoffe:

I'm guessing gentoo ;)

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rsdvd_:

I am afraid I use Fedora......I have always used Red Hat since I started with linux (10 years ago)

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juski:

edgy isn't 6.06 though!

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rsdvd_:

No – Gentoo is too techy......I prefer a package system

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kabtoffe:

rsdvd_: me too

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kabtoffe:

rsdvd_: I like apt

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Chai_Sangeen:

juski, yeah sorry about that....

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kabtoffe:

I suppose it's the one you get used to that sticks

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juski:

I got used to gentoo, then they changed loads of stuff & I couldn't keep up

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juski:

"error: the build system does not contain the program 'ar' "

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rsdvd_:

juski : my new HTPC just arrived :-) so I now know what I am doing for the rest of the day – installing myth again :-)

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juski:

heheheh

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juski:

time to make clean & make garchive again

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juski:

still missing stuff it seems

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Chai_Sangeen:

i have an epia m1000 running as a front end with openchrome video drivers, i used to have a problem with my osd being grey. That was fixed, when the osd os on the screen and starts to fade away the video starts stuttering once its gone video play fine ... i tryed switching from opengl to qt but no luck. can anyone help?

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juski:

Chai_Sangeen: I get that too

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Chai_Sangeen:

juski, so no fix :(

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deebus:

anyone have any ideas why I'm not seeing video, but I'm getting the audio just fine?

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juski:

you can work around it by editing the OSD xml file to disable the fade

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Chai_Sangeen:

juski, okay and where is the xml located ? in the theme folder ?

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juski:

Chai_Sangeen: I tried a later version of Xorg & it seemed to perform better

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juski:

Chai_Sangeen: yeah

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Chai_Sangeen:

juski, okay ill try that .. i don't wanna mess more with my xorg.conf now that its working fine...

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deebus:

anyone have similar problems?

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Chai_Sangeen:

juski, osd.xml right ? which section contains the disable switch?

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deebus:

it was working ok for awhile. I haven't changed anything, either

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juski:

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Chai_Sangeen:

juski, do i just change it to 0

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juski:

yup

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Chai_Sangeen:

juski, thanx :)

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juski:

hahaha minimyth is grabbing my themes!

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Chai_Sangeen:

juski, okay thanks much better

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juski:

hmm must've misread that as it scrolled past

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Chai_Sangeen:

i never had problem playing avi files with mplayer, but for some reason today, while watching the video the screen goes black i think it the screen saver when i click any button still no vid. but when i click stop it goes back to the main menu

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Chai_Sangeen:

and then i can replay the video but same thing happens again

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tank-man:

Chai_Sangeen, unsupported codec?

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tank-man:

can it play in a windo?

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tank-man:

in a window instead of fullscreen

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Chai_Sangeen:

tank-man, nope always worked fine its avi.. and it used to work fine... i have all the cedecs installed

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tank-man:

saying avi doesnt say what codec it is

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tank-man:

people rename stuff all the time

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tank-man:

did you make it? what codec?

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Chai_Sangeen:

tank-man, okay let me check with another movie that i watched with no black screens

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deebus:

ha. I am an retarded

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juski:

hrm seems I *have* got 'ar'

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deebus:

I forgot to change "nv" to "nvidia" in my xorg.conf

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deebus:

dooooeyyyyyy

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juski:

make build

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juski:

damn

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juski:

"error: the build system does not contain the program 'ar' " – again :(

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Chai_Sangeen:

tank-man, okay it happend again black screen but audio still plays

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tank-man:

play the video in mplayer in a window, not fullscreen. see if it is a supported codec or not

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Chai_Sangeen:

tank-man, okay ill do that one sec

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juski:

rsdvd_: did you have any issues like that when you built minimyth?

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Chai_Sangeen:

tank-man, okay it fine... "video decoder ffmpeg" "video codec ffodivix"

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tank-man:

still black?

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tank-man:

does the video play in anyother program fine?

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Chai_Sangeen:

tank-man, it gets black the same time the screen saver gets activated when myth is idel

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Chai_Sangeen:

tank-man, it plays fine but in 10 mins it goes black

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tank-man:

look at the frontend log, is it turning on DPMS when you play mplayer?

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tank-man:

ok, looks like it is

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Chai_Sangeen:

tank-man, so do i just launch the mythfronend from terminal and check the log?

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tank-man:

i dont use mythvideo so i dont know what else to do besides set the screensaver to OFF

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tank-man:

yes

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juski:

arghhh!

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ivor:

juski: knocked your elbow?

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juski:

ivor: nah – just banging my head on the desk trying to find out why 'ar' is missing from this build system

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qu0zl:

ivor, sorry of the OT but do you know if panel scaling code has been added to the openchrome driver. A work colleague has a vauge memory of seeing a notice about it a while back

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Chai_Sangeen:

tank-man, "DPMS is Active"

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juski:

aha! 'ar' is one of the binutils

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qu0zl:

ie support for non-panel-native resolutions

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ivor:

qu0zl: er. no idea. ask your colleague. :)

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qu0zl:

:) no worries, thanks anyway Ivor

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ivor:

retro moment.....

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ivor:

was digging through a drawer this morning looking for my gps...

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ivor:

came upon my old Apple Newton.

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ivor:

it had a "2Mb" memory expansion card in it!!!!!

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ivor:

mega-byte!!

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juski:

how big?! ;)

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juski:

btw ivor how's the new epia doing?

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ivor:

it's feeling unloved.

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ivor:

too busy at work.

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juski:

awww

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juski:

if I manage to get this build system worky I might be able to nail why minimyth-0.20–22 doesn't play back bbc recordings properly

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ivor:

cool.

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juski:

I hope to $deity it's not a mythic issue

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ivor:

that's still an issue!! blimey, weren't you grumbling about that last year???

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juski:

yeah – it got fixed in 0.20–21

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juski:

then regressed in 0.20–22

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Chai_Sangeen:

tank-man, how can i disable DPMS?

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ivor:

...just run diff and find the block of code commented out with "/* why is this here "

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juski:

the font scaling in X within 0.20–21 is all to hell – they're readable – just

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juski:

I'd not have tried the later version otherwise ;)

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tank-man:

Chai_Sangeen, from the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf or the control centre in kde

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Chai_Sangeen:

tank-man, okay thanks but i don't understand why it has to be disabled, it was working fine... any idea

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juski:

whee I got the build system worky-ish

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juski:

wrong config variable

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tank-man:

Chai_Sangeen, normaly, DPMS is turned on when at mythtv menu screen, and off when watching tv. guess it doesnt turn it off when watching mythvideo/mplayer

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Chai_Sangeen:

tank-man, okay thanks for the clarification

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tank-man:

so i'm suggesting you turn it off completely from /etc/X11/xorg.conf

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tank-man:

or change the timeout setting

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juski:

eee may aswell download linuxhype-thingy while I'm logged into my X at home

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juski:

oh FFS – all the fucking hype about it & there's not even a fucking live CD

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juski:

LAME

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juski:

don't get it dugg before it's ready!

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tank-man:

dont read digg. easy solution :)

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tank-man:

lawl

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juski:

I don't

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** ivor has no idea what juski is talking about. **

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juski:

ivor: cough! linuxmce – cough!

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** ivor heads off to google. **

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Chai_Sangeen:

want to "tail -f" to my mythfrontend verbose what is the location

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Chai_Sangeen:

can't see anything myth in /var/log

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ivor:

so it's a mythtv distro? based on ubuntu... ?

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juski:

ivor: it's plutohome in an ubuntu-shaped box

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ivor:

wild

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juski:

I was gonna download it & give a 'live cd' a tryout – but there's not one. lol

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juski:

so the fancy thing about his demo video is a complete non-starter – there was only one livecd & he had it

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dustybin:

does anybody know whats happenning with:

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dustybin:

http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/channels.dat

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hashbang:

can anyone explain why scaling up UK DVB-T broadcasts (native resolution 720x576, AFAICS) to 1024x576 produces a better (i.e. less blocky) picture on a 16:9 TV than displaying them at 720x576?

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juski:

hashbang: upscaling softens em?

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juski:

and yeah, they're 720x576 native res.. or 704x576 depending...

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hashbang:

juski: I don't think it's softening the jaggies, it's like the native resolution is actually 1024x576 and that downscaling to 720x576 results in the transition columns being removed (I'm sure that's not how XVIDEO scaling works, but that's what it looks like to me...)

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hashbang:

running with 1024x576 brings the quality nearly upto the quality of DVDs I burn from MythTV recordings when I play them on my Samsung DVD player

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juski:

the res doesn't change the aspect ratio – it's the shape of the pixels which does that

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hashbang:

juski: yup, the dotclock is 19.75MHz for 1024x576 vs 13.5MHz for 720x576, IIRC

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juski:

all I can say is – looks fabbo on my epia tv-out at 720x576

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hashbang:

juski: is your TV 16:9 or 4:3?

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juski:

16:9

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hashbang:

weird

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juski:

maybe it'd look better at 1024x576 but AFAIK there's no mode for that in openchrome

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hashbang:

768x576 used to look great on my 50Hz 4:3 set, but I need to use 1024x576 for my 100Hz 16:9 set

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juski:

as I said though – it's pretty knockout nice as it is

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hashbang:

maybe I'm just overly fussy

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hashbang:

but it shows up particularly on CGI and high contrast areas (e.g. white shirt collar against black jacket)

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juski:

gonna have a play & see if I can make some adapter cables to get my amp to switch RGB thru its component connectors

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juski:

it's all just 1v pk-pk video after all ;)

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hashbang:

juski: also, whilst you're there, any idea what might cause a TV to blank for a frame or two, like it was trying to decide whether the input was widescreen or not?

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juski:

no idea

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hashbang:

e.g. wrong timings for front/back porch, clock drift, etc

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juski:

I don't trust them 100hz TVs

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hashbang:

juski: yeah, I'm coming to that conclusion – it's an extra layer of obfuscation going on

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hashbang:

not to mention it stops me playing PS1 gun games. :-C

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juski:

100hz would look less flickery – if they had decent deinterlacers built in – and I've yet to see one that does

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hashbang:

juski: 100Hz is weird; draw some black/white alternating horizontal lines and it flickers like buggery, but there's no visible bounce like there is with a 50Hz set

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hashbang:

juski: ^ FYI, modeline I'm using

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hashbang:

juski: I haven't seen the random blanking for some time now, so I'm hoping it's gone away

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juski:

epia doesn't do interlaced modes

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juski:

:((

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hashbang:

juski: :-(

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hashbang:

juski: this is an nVidia GF4 440MX via a VGA->SCART adaptor

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hashbang:

8776 drivers

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juski:

there's no way for it to know which field it's on, is why

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hashbang:

juski: yeah, same here, I think

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juski:

I can see me pensioning off my epia box

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hashbang:

juski: best you can do, I think, is deinterlace two 50Hz fields into one 25Hz frame and sync that to the 25Hz vblank

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hashbang:

juski: seems perverse, but...

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juski:

isn't that what bob does?

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hashbang:

well, there's bob 2x framerate, but that would need a 50Hz vblank to sync against, AFAICS

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hashbang:

50Hz interlaced only gives a 25Hz vblank, I think

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juski:

I never see any nasty interlacing artifacts anyway

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juski:

even text crawlers look great

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hashbang:

I find it frustrating that although you can buy DVD players for 9GBP, you can't get a standard PC video card that gives an RGB SCART output

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juski:

hashbang: yeah – and it's NOT because their TV encoders don't do RGB

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juski:

cos they do!

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hashbang:

juski: the chrontels and the like, you mean?

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juski:

I bet the nvidia tv encoder would do RGB/component

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juski:

they just never connect the other signal

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hashbang:

juski: certainly the chrontel data sheet I was reading the other day said that model could.

[12:40:30]

juski:

I had a gf2 with chrontel tv encoder. it was SHITE

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hashbang:

juski: I suspect the reasons are a) europe-specific b) getting a SCART connector out of a PC expansion bracket; do you use a dongle, or some kind of non-standard lead?

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akifdino:

is anyone using a lcd as a status display in his case? which one could you recommend?

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hashbang:

hopefully, the growth of HTPCs will mean someone will introduce one eventually

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hashbang:

juski: yeah, if I have to give up on RGB SCART and use Svideo or Composite, I suspect I'll end up binning my MythTV box, or using a console as a frontend

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juski:

only use I can see for a display in a case would be on my backend

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akifdino:

juski which one do you have

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juski:

akifdino: I don't

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akifdino:

my backend also has the fronend

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akifdino:

i see

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juski:

if I wanna see where the playback is up to I press I

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juski:

haha we need 2 extra fan connectors on this board & we've run out of microcontroller ports

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juski:

whoops

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fryfrog:

anyone ever seen something like "ohci1394: fw-host0: IR DMA error – packet too long for buffer"?

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rsdvd_:

Hi – does anyone here use mythlcdserver? or knows anything about it?

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sphery:

3Q/sb c

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sphery:

oops

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otwin:

juski: did you get minimyth to compile on ubuntu?

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hashbang:

juski: http://130.net70.skekraft.net/cgi-bin/wiki/VGAtoSCART # super-tidy VGA->SCART

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tfm:

/msg NickServ IDENTIFY roodbeer

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tfm:

oeps ;)

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Chai_Sangeen:

tfm, heheh

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Chai_Sangeen:

tank-man, i tried disabling the DPMS from xorg.conf but still no luck how can i disable the screen saver?

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tank-man:

depends, are you using kde? if so, in the kde control centre

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Chai_Sangeen:

tank-man, im using ubuntu with openbox as interface, so there dont seem to be a control center... maybee command ?

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tank-man:

sorry i am only familiar with kde

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pigeon:

is there a way i could edit the program title/subtitle/description of a recording from the frontend/web?

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Chai_Sangeen:

any one can help with Darwin Streaming Server install

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juski:

otwin: I dunno yet – it's still compiling

[13:54:51]

juski:

pigeon: yeah – storage options menu when you press right arrow when a recording is highlighted (in mythfrontend)

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fryfrog:

anyone use firewire and myth?

[13:55:37]

otwin:

juski: that is good news i guess...

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juski:

otwin: yeah my mind is in gear today so I can try & cope with build failures

[13:57:05]

juski:

until today it just looked like a load of scary config files.. now much less so :)

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fryfrog:

also, what is the proggie in ./contrib that scans you recordings dir for mpegs not in the db and adds them?

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juski:

I wanna nail that bbc playback issue – dropping it for something else is just wimping out ;)

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juski:

fryfrog: updatedatabase.pl ?

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fryfrog:

humm, i'll see :)

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fryfrog:

ah, there we go no more stray .mpg files

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otwin:

juski: :-) – i'm just glad everything seems to be fine for me with the SVN release of minimyth.

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juski:

it was fine in 0.20–21 apart from the font size being daft

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jduggan:

soo

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jduggan:

im still struggling with my dvb-t reception

[14:09:33]

jduggan:

and landlord tells me he doesnt want external arials

[14:09:36]

jduggan:

so, im screwed

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jduggan:

:|

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juski:

get ct100 coax?

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jduggan:

already have it

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jduggan:

and a booster

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jduggan:

and a decent arial in the loft

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juski:

get the other ressies together & see if yous can share the costies?

[14:10:19]

jduggan:

possibly

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juski:

or is cost not his objection?

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jduggan:

its everything on mux 3

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juski:

jduggan: the aerial might be the wrong group

[14:10:47]

jduggan:

well, it wouldnt the landlord, i'd pay for installation

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jduggan:

we're in a semi-detached house

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juski:

sometimes a mux can be at the other end of the band

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jduggan:

wouldnt cost the landlord*

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jduggan:

i think its band w

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jduggan:

arial

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juski:

hrm

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jduggan:

iirc

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jduggan:

sandy heath arial, mux 3 is known to be weak

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juski:

try a different PSU maybe

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jduggan:

psu for the card?

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juski:

if you can get it to work on a freeview box (the aerial) you know it's the pc

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jduggan:

s/card/machine/

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juski:

yeah

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jduggan:

no no, this effects two freeview boxes also

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jduggan:

:|

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juski:

ack

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jduggan:

i need external roof mounted aerial

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jduggan:

imo

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jduggan:

i might call an aerial installation guy, see what they suggest

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jduggan:

perhaps try and convince the landlord

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juski:

he'd have to be a complete arse to refuse, if he's not the one paying

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juski:

if it was a listed building I'd see his point ;)

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jduggan:

i think he's worried about aesthetics

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fryfrog:

you should threaten bodily harm on him unless he complies

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vieirar:

Hi I was wondering two things. 1. I have an 57" HDTV 1080P will a Mythtv box upconvert my DVDs? 2. What is the best HD TVTuner for linux?

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fryfrog:

you know, i don't know if it "upconverts" them. it'd play them in what ever resolution your box is set to, so isn't that what upconverting is?

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fryfrog:

i mean, you can't *magically* gain quality or anything

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fryfrog:

and as to hd tuner cards, there are a few

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vieirar:

Ok you got me on that one

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fryfrog:

i use air2pc cards, there are umm also... pchdtv 5000 or 5500 i think?

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fryfrog:

firewire is also another way to get HD, if you are using cable

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fryfrog:

(er, SD too, not just HD)

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vieirar:

Cool thanks fryfrog, I believe you are right if I set my resolution to 1080p then I guess I would be good

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fryfrog:

that is what i'd guess, but i'm no expert :)

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vieirar:

And I am far from one also. I just always hear about needing an upconverting DVD player to get the best quality on my TV

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juski:

I've heard that there's F.A difference

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juski:

you can upscale DVDs on a PC & get similar or better results & save your money

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vieirar:

Cool thanks juski, I have a PS3 and now when I install my Mythtv box I will have everything a couch potato needs. LOL

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juski:

don't let the asshole Monster Cable fans make you believe! ;)

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jduggan:

juski: not considered v+ ?

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jduggan:

(out of interest)

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jduggan:

do u know if the stb's are as poor as the standard nthell ones

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juski:

jduggan: I couldn't care a rat's fig about v+

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juski:

I want my TV on MY terms :)

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juski:

not with some shitty, prolly unreliable fugly black box

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juski:

it's maybe not *as* bad as the pace or samdung boxes but they're bad enough

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juski:

I'm not paying 15 quid a month to find out

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juski:

2 years ago I might've jumped at the chance – i.e. before seeing myth :)

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jduggan:

i didnt even realise they'd released them

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jduggan:

but, tonight im cancelling NTL i think

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jduggan:

not worth the money

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jduggan:

especially as i dont get sky one :(

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juski:

right now at home we're thinking of cancelling the tv

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juski:

the mini-guide is a PoS

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juski:

usually blank! I'm tempted to give myth's (shudder!) live tv a go

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juski:

what I've never fathomed is why these STB manufacturers don't put a dvd drive in em

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juski:

get some bloody convergence going on

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fryfrog:

yeah, good question

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mtron_x86:

hello list! is there a myth equivalent for the vdr's director plugin? http://www.linuxtv.org/vdrwiki/index.php/Director-plugin

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juski:

duh! silly me

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fryfrog:

with them at like $25–30 for a full on stand alone one, that'd be awsome

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juski:

I know why – they'd rather you RENT the film from them on PPV

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fryfrog:

heh

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juski:

mtron_x86: nope

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mtron_x86:

ok, thanks

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juski:

wheee compileryfying gcc is fun

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Ruleke:

don't tell me you have the gentoo bug again

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** juski checks **

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juski:

no, my brain is still in its jar

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juski:

this is unusual – radiotimes' xmltv feed isn't normally daaahn this long

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Baylink:

Repeat (from last night): Anyone around with some in-depth LVM knowledge?

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juski:

is this #lvm ?

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Baylink:

No, but it's a Myth box atop it.

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Baylink:

And my sister will nut me if I break it. :-)

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juski:

still...

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Baylink:

And, as it happens, the 30 people on #lvm are all asleep; I *did* ask there first.

[15:35:19]

Baylink:

Oddly, I'm not a moron. :-)

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Baylink:

But I do apologize for getting in the way of all the other important traffic on this channel... :-}

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juski:

hey if the people in the official channel are asleep what are we sposed to do about it? ;)

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Torg:

umm /dcc send coffee?

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Baylink:

Hee.

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juski:

!trout #lvm wakeup

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Baylink:

I don't think, Juski, that it's remotely unreasonable to expect people here to have some useful experience with LVM, nor to ask. When did you get appointed channel police, again? ;-)

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juski:

heh., I handed my badge in. nobody took it away

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Torg:

well first off what is your problem, secondly you did try google, right?

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juski:

hey can I ask a question?

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Torg:

you just did, you have one a day, you juse used it :P

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juski:

I dunno wtf minimyth's builder is doing now, but it's still doing it, whatever it is

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Baylink:

Yes, Torg: for 2 hours last night.

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juski:

as much as that? wow that's patience for ya

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juski:

sounds messy

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Torg:

you have 2x200g disks and want to migrate ot to one 400G?

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juski:

rsync :)

[15:56:28]

Baylink:

Roughly, yes. I want to pull those mentioned 5 PVs out of my VG, replacing them with one 400G PV with the same live data.

[15:56:35]

Baylink:

Problem is: /dev/hda is dying.

[15:56:40]

Baylink:

That's why this is an issue to me.

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Torg:

format, configure, the 400G fisk mount it as /mnt/whatever

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juski:

I think splitting a big HDD into small partitions is a very 'windows 95' trick ;)

[15:57:05]

Torg:

rsych, find/cpio/ tar|tar the stuff fomr one to the other

[15:57:05]

Baylink:

I know I had a good reason. :-)

[15:57:22]

Torg:

id suggest you use rsych, find|cpio works well, stay away from cp or tar

[15:57:45]

Torg:

and really I wouldnt PV the 400G disk, not at all

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Torg:

simply make a primary parttion, and format it

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Torg:

what is going on that disk anyway?

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Baylink:

I can't; there are other PV's in that VG.

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Baylink:

And 2 LV's atop it.

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Baylink:

I have to stay LVM.

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Baylink:

This is a live running Mythbox

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Torg:

I never said to destry the other PVS just done migrate the data, simply create new partions

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Baylink:

Again: those are live PVs; part of a working VG with filesystems atop it.

[15:59:19]

Torg:

yes, and?

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Baylink:

There's more data than will fit on the 400GB, just in one LV on the VG

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juski:

I converted my recording storage to xfs with the box still running

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Torg:

you have live, runing, fully functional PVS with isk systems

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Torg:

you are going to stop the live system and put in new hardware, then partition that new hardware and make a file system

[16:00:00]

Dagmar:

juski: Good for you

[16:00:01]

Baylink:

Ok: I appreciate the help, but in this case, I'm comfortable that I need to *work with* LVM, not replace it.

[16:00:09]

Torg:

then you are going to adversly efect the performace of the system while you ramp up its iowait with copying data

[16:00:10]

Baylink:

So, I guess, thanks anyway. :-)

[16:00:17]

Torg:

all the time the system can run and do its thing

[16:00:26]

juski:

jesus

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Baylink:

I'm not concerned with performance during cutover.

[16:00:38]

juski:

you get a guy a nice big hdd & he wants to ruin it with lvm

[16:00:49]

Baylink:

There are 2 200s and 2 400s on this machin...

[16:00:52]

juski:

you won't need lvm come 0.21

[16:01:03]

Torg:

use LVM to put mutliple disks togethere as one, not to split out a disk for multiple use

[16:01:35]

Baylink:

What's in .21 ? I thought Isaac's answer was "use LVM; it's not our problem"

[16:01:35]

juski:

Torg: I'd not even advise the former, being somewhat twitchy

[16:01:47]

juski:

storage groups :)

[16:01:54]

Torg:

hardware raid :P

[16:02:21]

juski:

Torg: yeah if I could afford it I'd use that – otherwise I'll make do without lvm

[16:02:33]

Torg:

I personnly hate LVM, likes to forget about my disks sometimes for no good reason

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Baylink:

Ok; thanks guys. :p)

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Dagmar:

So, um, I was never all that great at calculus, but I'm having a hard time seeing how it's *un*possible to copy the two 200Gb drives over to the 400Gb drive, and then just span the two 200Gb drives with LVM, giving you two nice big 400Gb virtual disks, which can then be glued together *in the fly* using LVM

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Dagmar:

Giving you a three-drive, 800Gb array

[16:04:06]

Baylink:

I have an active LVM, and not enough room to take it apart.

[16:04:06]

Torg:

Dagmar you mean software raid, not necessarily lvm, right?

[16:04:17]

Dagmar:

I mean software raid *using* LVM

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juski:

Baylink: but you have a new virgin 400GB HDD

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Baylink:

and 550GB+ of live programs in the LVM

[16:04:39]

Dagmar:

Torg: Were your disappearing disks on SATA?

[16:04:45]

Torg:

yes

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Dagmar:

Torg: Your problem was probably during the time before sata enumeration order was guaranteed

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Torg:

my previouly disaparing disks are SATA, SATA2 to be exact

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Torg:

yes Dagmar it was the loading of the sata driver, I know all that

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Dagmar:

So don't blame LVM

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Torg:

I still deicded to screw it all and get a hardware raid card

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Torg:

Dagmar rembere were I said "I personnaly"

[16:07:00]

Dagmar:

Baylink: You wrote that you had a 160Gb LVM and 4 50Gb volumes. That's not 550Gb

[16:07:11]

Torg:

Its simply my opinoin that I dislike LVM

[16:07:23]

Dagmar:

Either you left out a disk somewhere, or you need to buy a desk calculator worse than I do

[16:07:32]

Baylink:

When you add in the 400GB on /dev/hdc, it is

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Baylink:

THe VG is actually 760GB

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Baylink:

I'm not planning to move /dev/hdc's PV's, so I didn't mention it.

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Torg:

Baylink how many drives do you have and what controlers are the on?

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Dagmar:

Baylink: Yes, well, it actually helps when you mention all the pieces

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fryfrog:

Torg: I'm with yah, software kernel raid is enough for me :)

[16:09:37]

Baylink:

I'll then reformat hdb as one partition and PV and add it in as well.

[16:09:40]

Dagmar:

If you don't do something, *and fast* it's not going to matter then

[16:09:48]

Dagmar:

When that drive dies, your array goes with it

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Dagmar:

*all* of your array

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Baylink:

Yes.

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Torg:

ok so you have 2x200G disks and need to migrate them to 2x400g disks? so 400G to 800G?

[16:10:16]

Baylink:

Why do you think I'm concerned.

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fryfrog:

time to just go with drives all the same size :)

[16:10:36]

Dagmar:

Baylink: You have painted yourself into a corner

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juski:

personally I'd have the box powered down & I'd be cloning hda right now

[16:10:46]

Baylink:

Yes, I know that.

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juski:

to hell with your sister

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Baylink:

But ghost can't resize 8e partitions.

[16:11:06]

Dagmar:

You don't need Ghost for this

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Torg:

tell your sister you have "change controll" and you have a "change window"

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Beirdo:

oh goddammit, why do people always wanna call the house at lunch time?

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Torg:

the sytem will be "unavialible for the changer period, thank you for your patience"

[16:11:34]

Beirdo:

and it's always idiots who don't understand English

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Dagmar:

What you need to do is start a new volume with that 400Gb, and start copying what you wanna keep into it

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Baylink:

I'd be cool if y'all could quit telling me all the schidt I'm already painfully aware of, and just tell me if a) pvmove works reliably now and b) I have the proper plan for migrating the PVs. ;-)

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juski:

it's either what Torg said or lose it all

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Dagmar:

Pretty much

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Beirdo:

Baylink, I've never had an issue with pvmove with not failed disks

[16:12:10]

Baylink:

I'm fine with administratively down, as well, yes.

[16:12:15]

Beirdo:

it takes a LONG time though :)

[16:12:18]

Dagmar:

Painting yourself into a corner means you are going to make some footprints, or starve to death there

[16:12:38]

Dagmar:

No.

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Dagmar:

Do not add it to the VG

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Baylink:

the pvmove adds it?

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Dagmar:

Not until you've copied everything youc an into it

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Beirdo:

I think you DO need it in the VG, not sure what Dagmar's on

[16:13:13]

Baylink:

I Am Staying On LVM. Am I clear there?

[16:13:20]

Dagmar:

The new 400Gb is going to be the start of your new LVM volume.

[16:13:23]

juski:

"step away from the lvm & put the hard disk down on the foam, carefully"

[16:13:47]

Beirdo:

if you are trying to just move stuff from two disks into one, staying in the same LVM setup, then yes, pvcreate, vgextend, pvmove

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juski:

You don't have to stop using lvm

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Dagmar:

...and you're going to lose some data, or you're going to use FedEx to race condition that dying drive with another 200–250Gb drive

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juski:

just get what you can off of hda while you still can

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Beirdo:

yeah, a failing disk can make it more tricky...

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Dagmar:

You copy as much as you can stand to save out of the 760Gb array, and delete the rest

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juski:

like NOW

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Beirdo:

run the disk in the freezer during the transfer?

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Torg:

pvmove will figure it out, and move the PV onto the new disk

[16:15:23]

Dagmar:

I spend the $10 on dual-fan strap-under drive coolers

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juski:

I'd weigh the options this way – you can shift stuff around, but that might take longer than hda is gonna last

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Beirdo:

yeah racing a failing disk is a dilemma for sure, but you gotta do what you can

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Torg:

*IF* that disk is failing shut down access to that disk

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Dagmar:

If you start a new array with the 400Gb, copy all you can into it, delete the rest, then you can remove the old array chunks from the other disks, and then re-add them to the new 400Gb volume

[16:16:45]

Torg:

move the data off as soon as you can

[16:16:48]

Baylink:

I've been holding at 7 offline uncorrectable sectors for 3 days.

[16:16:52]

Dagmar:

Expanding the filesystem is going ot be the easy part

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Baylink:

Is it safer, somehow, to create a new VG and do it that way? Faster?

[16:17:19]

Dagmar:

Baylink: Is that from SMART or are these actually showing up beyond the number of spare sectors on the disk?

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Baylink:

SMART

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Dagmar:

OKay that's actually not that terrible

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Dagmar:

...but you might want to see if you can get a warranty replacement on that drive

[16:17:54]

Baylink:

I will, after I clean up the data problems.

[16:18:05]

Baylink:

Again:

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Baylink:

Is it safer, somehow, to create a new VG and do it that way? Faster?

[16:18:14]

Dagmar:

Yes

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Beirdo:

how would it be faster?

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Dagmar:

Because spanning the 400Gb in with the bad drive is just looking to expand your vulnerability

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Baylink:

I'm not sure either of my filesystems is small enough to fit on a 400G volume, though.

[16:18:45]

Dagmar:

Hence, copy the FILES

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Dagmar:

Not the disk image

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juski:

rsync the files :)

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Baylink:

I think it might be faster, because PVmove has to keep the volume online through the mapper.

[16:19:06]

Dagmar:

You are either losing data, or you are buying another disk

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Baylink:

Yes, yes, I *have* that part, folks. ;-)

[16:19:16]

juski:

Dagmar: or both

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Baylink:

Is it, in fact, faster to use a new VG, specifically because I won't have to let pvmove play mapper synchronization games?

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Torg:

Baylink what is the driving reason you want to keep the disks under LVM?

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Baylink:

Because I'm on 0.19 for the forseeable future, and I have more than $DISKSIZE GB in my recordings directory. My sister is an archiveer.

[16:20:26]

Baylink:

(archiver)

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Torg:

that is an argument for disk size, not LVM, why do you want to keep LVM?

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Dagmar:

I don't see why you'd want to use pvmove in the first place, unless it's promising you it can relocate the chunk from the failing 200Gb

[16:21:09]

Baylink:

MythTV 0.91 requires a single directory for it's recordings.

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Neeesat25:

Anyone here using icewm as window manager?

[16:21:26]

Baylink:

I need to get the PV on the failing drive *out* of the VG.

[16:21:34]

Torg:

you have made an argument for software raid, not LVM

[16:21:40]

Torg:

again why do you want to use LVM?

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Baylink:

COuld we please not cloud the issue? Software raid would, as far as I can see, provide me *no* approaches for recovering my current problem.

[16:22:12]

Torg:

for that matter you can mount /myth/tv as your recordsing on one and /myth/video as another, and simply bypass them both

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Torg:

what you ahve done is made your system MORE complex not less

[16:22:46]

Baylink:

Ok; anyone who isn't solving the problem I *have* isn't really helping me, in my current circumstances. I have the 2 answers I was looking for; thanks to all.

[16:22:47]

Dagmar:

Hmm... looking at the man page for pvmove, if the drive doesn't fail while you're doing it, you should be able to do what you want with it

[16:22:53]

Baylink:

Thanks, Dag.

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Torg:

addiong LVM on top gave you no "extra" functrionality

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Torg:

simply mount the partins as subdirector4ies or if you do not like the layout of how it goes use software raid to stripe (add space at the risk of hgiher failuer) a partition

[16:24:13]

Torg:

but LVM in and of itslef is giving you no extra fuctionality here

[16:24:32]

Beirdo:

Torg: stop beating a dead horse

[16:24:48]

Baylink:

We'll have to agree to disagree. Or, you'll have to go back and read the limitations on 0.19.

[16:25:00]

Dagmar:

But considering everything, I would seriously consider exporting a LOT of that stuff over into a whole new volume and start accessing it through mythvideo

[16:25:00]

juski:

0.20 too, baylink ;)

[16:25:16]

Dagmar:

There's got to be complete seasons of crap you could move out to mythvideo in big chunks

[16:25:39]

juski:

personally I'd be telling my sister where to go with her archiving habit – it IS the easiest option after all

[16:25:52]

juski:

does she buy the hdds? ;)

[16:25:58]

Dagmar:

...and since mythvideo doesn't have a problem with subdirs, then you could have smaller volumes and not be in this ugly situation again

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Dagmar:

TEach the little girl how to use nuvexport

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Baylink:

Yes, she's bought *all* the parts.

[16:26:50]

Baylink:

Mythvideo is less flexible than the main playback facilities.

[16:26:53]

juski:

save up & buy her a tivo

[16:26:57]

Baylink:

Haw.

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sid3windr:

lol

[16:27:04]

Dagmar:

Baylink: You can't have everything

[16:27:12]

Baylink:

Yes, I can.

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** Baylink stamps foot. **

[16:27:22]

Kritter:

I'm watching this conversation and thinking there is lots of information I'm going to want in it, but it seems layered in angst.

[16:27:24]

** Baylink sticks out tongue. **

[16:27:27]

juski:

you'll be able to have it all in 0.21

[16:27:29]

Dagmar:

Well, you can if you want "massive vulnerabilities" in the list

[16:27:37]

Baylink:

Nicely put, Kritter. ;0(

[16:27:44]

Baylink:

:-), even.

[16:27:49]

juski:

not anger – just opinions :)

[16:27:54]

juski:

strong opinions :)

[16:27:57]

Baylink:

Indeed.

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Beirdo:

and often unfounded ones

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Dagmar:

I was under the impression that mythvideo used the same playback code as the main TV stuff in 0.20

[16:28:19]

Beirdo:

welcome to IRC

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juski:

the exact thing that is holding back FOSS projects the world over

[16:28:22]

Baylink:

I'll be blogging it all, after I survive. Right now, though, my blood sugar is about 9 or so, and I gotta go eat.

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Kritter:

I'm I'd like to thing a hairs breath away from having my box fully functional, and have 2x500g sata drives in it.

[16:28:42]

juski:

don't get me started on blogging :)

[16:28:49]

Dagmar:

Hence, no reason other than "bitchyness" for not punting the _archived_ stuff into mythvideo

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Kritter:

and so I'm thinking at some point I'm gonna need to deal with multiple disks but I no longer know what to believe.

[16:29:10]

juski:

0.19 didn't have the 'Internal' player up to the standard it is now – so fair dues

[16:29:28]

Dagmar:

I have been doing this "moving things into smaller partitions because I have no suitable backup space"

[16:29:48]

Kritter:

even have a lvm bookmark taged 'later'

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Torg:

no LVM, just raid (you can use software raid instead of my psudo hardware raid) /dev/sda1 976484224 151853992 824630232 16% /myth

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Torg:

is that big enough for you?

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Torg:

one ONE directory, not mutiple

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Torg:

there is no PV or LV to manage

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Dagmar:

He can't switch to using what you want without losing data, Torg

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Torg:

and this is somehow my optionion that is is easier?

[16:32:54]

Torg:

create a new partion on the new disks and then copy the data to the new disks

[16:33:00]

Torg:

how is that loosing data?

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Dagmar:

Because he can't pick and choose just the files that are on the part of the array affected by the impending failure

[16:33:44]

Dagmar:

...but he CAN (in theory) pvmove the stuff out onto the 400Gb

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Torg:

their mounted as a directory right?

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Torg:

that PV I will assume is mounted as somehting

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Torg:

that menas it is a file sytem that is accessable

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Dagmar:

Torg: No, he's got one giant mount point with all his current LVM chunks

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Torg:

on two 200G disks

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Dagmar:

...and a 160g

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Torg:

sorry yes he has a 200G disk ad 160G disk and two unsued 400G disks

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Torg:

thats 360G onto 800G of space

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Dagmar:

You're worse at math than I ma

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HeppyCat:

i only have a 100 gb disk in my myth box :(

[16:37:08]

Dagmar:

His other 400Gb drive is not unused

[16:37:58]

Torg:

*IF* the 200 and 160 are full thats 360G (200+160) of data

[16:38:24]

Dagmar:

plus the other 400Gb which is apparently part of that massive volume

[16:38:30]

Dagmar:

==760Gb

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Torg:

and yes im playing a bit with the numbers but they are baiscly correct (minus overhead)

[16:39:06]

Dagmar:

Drives hd[a-c] are all one giant volume

[16:39:46]

HeppyCat:

my backend box is running a p3 1ghz w/ 384mb ram right now

[16:40:13]

HeppyCat:

would it be any better off on a dual p3 1ghz w/ 256mb ram?

[16:40:37]

Dagmar:

Not unless your primary objective is just to be able to run more than one transcode job at a time

[16:41:03]

Dagmar:

Not exactly guaranteed to work so well with only 256Mb of RAM

[16:41:03]

Torg:

or commflag faster

[16:42:32]

HeppyCat:

oh well. the dual board i have takes rambus ram. im not about to invest any cash in it

[16:42:59]

Dagmar:

Oh geez toss the thing or just use it as a storage box

[16:43:19]

Dagmar:

Export it's free space over NFS

[16:44:22]

HeppyCat:

ive got another rambus board, but it has a 1.4ghz p4 in it

[16:44:33]

HeppyCat:

i somehow doubt that would run any better than a 1ghz p3

[16:44:53]

hjohnson:

muh brain hurts!

[16:46:33]

HeppyCat:

yeah

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jackyyll1:

why does the Hauppage WinTV-PVR-150 MCE have two coax connections but it's not a dual tuner... Seems kind of pointless...

[16:49:25]

fryfrog:

jackyyll1: FM tuner

[16:49:35]

fryfrog:

well, FM ant input that is

[16:49:40]

jackyyll1:

Oh.

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jackyyll1:

didnt know FM uses coax for the antenna

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fryfrog:

it can, but it typically doesn't

[16:50:14]

fryfrog:

i think it comes with an antenna with that type of connection

[16:50:16]

jackyyll1:

Hmm maybe i'll go with the pvr-500

[16:50:19]

fryfrog:

connector?

[16:50:24]

fryfrog:

it has 2 coax inputs too :)

[16:50:29]

fryfrog:

but only one is for cable tv

[16:50:29]

xris:

often uses the rf-style coax connector, though, even on just a pair of wires

[16:50:34]

jackyyll1:

no

[16:50:35]

jackyyll1:

the 500

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jackyyll1:

is a dual

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jackyyll1:

tuner

[16:50:40]

fryfrog:

right

[16:50:47]

fryfrog:

but it only has one cable tv connector

[16:50:51]

fryfrog:

the split is built in

[16:51:03]

Kritter:

you still only plug in one cable tv cable.

[16:51:08]

fryfrog:

i mean, not that that has anything to do with the choice between the two

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jackyyll1:

WinTV-PVR-500MCE contains two complete TV tuners, each with their own hardware MPEG encoder! Ever want to watch the ball game while your favorite late night TV show is on? Well, with WinTV-PVR-500MCE, you don't have

[16:51:30]

fryfrog:

one cable, two tuners

[16:51:43]

jackyyll1:

meaning?

[16:51:53]

fryfrog:

uh

[16:52:04]

jackyyll1:

still, you can record one show and watch another

[16:52:05]

xris:

jackyyll1: internal splitter

[16:52:10]

fryfrog:

well, if you had 2x pvr150, you'd have two tuners and two cables (youd need a splitter)

[16:52:19]

fryfrog:

if you have a pvr500, no splitter, just one cable into it

[16:52:30]

jackyyll1:

so isn't the pvr500 better in that sense?

[16:52:35]

fryfrog:

i mean, nothing special or anything its just what you were talking about

[16:52:44]

fryfrog:

better in some ways, and not

[16:52:52]

jackyyll1:

what ways is it not?

[16:52:53]

fryfrog:

it is literally just 2x pvr150 on one pci card

[16:52:57]

Kritter:

if you want two tuners you save a slot and one less cable with a 500

[16:52:59]

fryfrog:

so it takes up less room

[16:53:17]

fryfrog:

but it also costs about the same as *three* pvr150s, afaicr

[16:53:19]

sid3windr:

jackyyll1: if you have 2 different catv feeds :)

[16:53:39]

jackyyll1:

it costs about the same as two pvr150's

[16:53:41]

jackyyll1:

at newegg

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fryfrog:

ah, does it?

[16:53:49]

jackyyll1:

mhm

[16:53:50]

fryfrog:

must have changed since i last looked

[16:53:56]

sid3windr:

it costs about the same as 1.5 150 here

[16:54:04]

sid3windr:

which probably means the 150's are expensive, not that the 500 is cheap :)

[16:54:12]

jackyyll1:

$130 for the pvr500

[16:54:20]

jackyyll1:

140*

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fryfrog:

I've seen the PVR150 for like $50

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jackyyll1:

and the pvr150 is 67.99

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jackyyll1:

now i have to think if i want the pvr500 or one pvr150 :p

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jackyyll1:

i was trying to keep the backend box under $500 :p

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fryfrog:

I have a PVR500 and one or two PVR250s

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fryfrog:

they are both just as groovy :)

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Dagmar:

Shopping around online you can almost always find a PVR-500 for about the same price as two PVR-150's after you figure in the costs of taxes and shipping

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fryfrog:

course, i don't use em :/

[16:56:18]

Como[]Lappy:

any of you use an asus pundit system for their mythtv?

[16:56:31]

fryfrog:

not me, sorry

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sid3windr:

I bought a 500 just because(tm)

[16:56:56]

fryfrog:

its hard to beat the coolness of a pvr500 :)

[16:56:57]

sid3windr:

I liked the watch tv + record & pip :)

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Milosch:

of course, you may have issues with the 150, because you may not actually get a 150

[16:57:02]

jackyyll1:

well i'd want to watch a show while i record another, it's kind of the point of having a pvr :p

[16:57:04]

fryfrog:

two tuners on one pci card!

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fryfrog:

zomg!

[16:57:06]

Dagmar:

ObGripe about the effects of enabling slow deletes when they're not needed

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sid3windr:

jackyyll1: indeed ;)

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fryfrog:

Milosch: oh yeah, that is a good point

[16:57:17]

Dagmar:

I gotta turn that back off

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jackyyll1:

hehe

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Kritter:

yeah one reason to go 500 is it must be a 500 in the box, not the 1900/1600 switcheroo

[16:57:32]

** Como[]Lappy isnt sure how he will manage to record one show while watching another **

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Milosch:

Como[]Lappy: buy another tv?

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Dagmar:

I just deleted a whole BUNCHA shows and couldn't figure out why the damn thing was insisting I only had 5Gb of space free

[16:57:48]

Como[]Lappy:

heh

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jackyyll1:

Como[]Lappy: get a pvr500

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Como[]Lappy:

my tv just died actually

[16:57:56]

fryfrog:

jackyyll1: you can watch a previously recorded show and record another one with only 1 tuner

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jackyyll1:

then you wont be watching any tv :p

[16:58:03]

Milosch:

Como[]Lappy: ah, time to go HD

[16:58:16]

Como[]Lappy:

mmeh, i havnt even managed to get the 250 i bought over a year ago into a system yet

[16:58:25]

fryfrog:

hahah

[16:58:25]

Como[]Lappy:

just now building my first mythbox

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jackyyll1:

fryfrog: i mean watch live tv and record another show at the same time .. so if i want to watch two shows that are on at the same time, i can ;)

[16:58:37]

Milosch:

ah, you found the screwdriver finally? ;)

[16:58:46]

fryfrog:

jackyyll1: ah, or just let it record 2 shows at once and don't bother with livetv :)

[16:58:49]

Como[]Lappy:

no, just found money for a small form factor box

[16:58:54]

jackyyll1:

that too.

[16:59:01]

fryfrog:

unless you are a sports person, you'll likely find yourself never using livetv after a week or two

[16:59:04]

Como[]Lappy:

right before my tv died

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jackyyll1:

haha

[16:59:11]

Milosch:

i bought the antec fusion

[16:59:19]

Como[]Lappy:

i never watched tv to begin with, this isnt even for me

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jackyyll1:

thats one of my fears.

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jackyyll1:

that i'll end up just recording everything

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fryfrog:

its actually a pretty common occurance, most people come in here and are all gung ho a bout livetv

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jackyyll1:

and never watching it :p

[16:59:39]

Como[]Lappy:

i bought this pundit system thing

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Como[]Lappy:

spent most of yesterday fitting my 250 into it

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fryfrog:

then, after about 2 weeks most people forget its even possible to watch livetv :)

[16:59:53]

Como[]Lappy:

and now im having problems with slackware on it

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jackyyll1:

whats live tv!?!

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Dagmar:

yep

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juski:

fryfrog: what is this 'live tv' you speak of? ;)

[17:00:10]

fryfrog:

i don't even watch "real" tv anymore

[17:00:20]

fryfrog:

if smoeone turns on the tv to watch a show i record, i just leave

[17:00:22]

Dagmar:

What am I usually doing when something I want to watch is being broadcast?... watching something that recorded yesterday

[17:00:24]

fryfrog:

commercials are for bitches

[17:00:29]

Como[]Lappy:

may or may not be having my hard drive fail, the install disk i burned might not be good (its refusing to install glibc) and the network card is /weird/

[17:00:29]

Milosch:

only live tv anymore is a sporting event, or the news

[17:00:36]

jackyyll1:

but i will probably end up recording everything and fill up a 500gb raid 5 disk and never watch any of it :p

[17:00:54]

Milosch:

jackyyll1: that will take maybe a couple of weeks

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fryfrog:

thats when you expand to 1TB :)

[17:00:57]

fryfrog:

or 1.5TB!

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juski:

hell we even watched a new year's eve show timeshifted :-P

[17:01:03]

jackyyll1:

or 12TB!

[17:01:04]

Como[]Lappy:

so mythtv can burn a recorded show to a dvd, right

[17:01:08]

jackyyll1:

or 16EB

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juski:

or 1PB!

[17:01:14]

jackyyll1:

16EB ftw

[17:01:21]

Kritter:

Como[]Lappy: MythArchive.

[17:01:29]

Como[]Lappy:

i'll need that

[17:01:44]

Como[]Lappy:

my girlfriend records some horse races or something

[17:01:57]

Kritter:

could be worse

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Kritter:

could be American Idol.

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Como[]Lappy:

heh

[17:02:09]

jackyyll1:

so is 1EB = 1024PB = 1024TB = 1024GB ?

[17:02:12]

Como[]Lappy:

i wouldnt be building her one of these for that crap

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Dagmar:

See that's the thing I like about source code

[17:02:24]

Milosch:

depends on who's counting...

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Torg:

could be worse and she refuses to watch SD any more and everythiung is now 7G or bigger

[17:02:29]

jackyyll1:

a blind man.

[17:02:29]

Como[]Lappy:

but yeah

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Dagmar:

A few quick edits and you can be certain they can never record American Idol

[17:02:34]

juski:

no, 1EB == 1024PB IIRC

[17:02:42]

jackyyll1:

lol

[17:02:43]

Kritter:

wait, you've been making it a year and it's for her, and she's still your girlfriend?

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Como[]Lappy:

she doesnt know about it

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jackyyll1:

lmao

[17:02:58]

Como[]Lappy:

i diddnt /tell/ her

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Como[]Lappy:

sheesh

[17:03:03]

jackyyll1:

is it 1000?

[17:03:07]

jackyyll1:

thats weird

[17:03:12]

Torg:

juski that depends on if you SELL disks or USE disks

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Como[]Lappy:

its gonna be a surprise, when i make it work

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Torg:

to a vendor 1000 is a K

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jackyyll1:

i thought everything went by 1024 :p

[17:03:21]

Dagmar:

juski; I think the rule is that you have to check wikipedia to know for sure what the value of the month is

[17:03:25]

Torg:

to everyone else its 1024

[17:03:26]

Como[]Lappy:

for now i need to find a way to test my slackware download iso

[17:03:29]

Como[]Lappy:

see if its good

[17:03:33]

jackyyll1:

well

[17:03:34]

juski:

yeah it's MB, where the M now stands for MAYBE

[17:03:37]

Como[]Lappy:

because i burned it on nice media, and the install is fuxt

[17:03:40]

jackyyll1:

vendors dont sell 1EB drives, now do they? :p

[17:03:43]

Kritter:

doesn't have a test opion at boot?

[17:03:49]

Como[]Lappy:

im not sure

[17:03:53]

Torg:

they dont even sell 1EB arrays

[17:03:56]

Dagmar:

jackyll: That depends on who you're buying from

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jackyyll1:

exactly ahah

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jackyyll1:

Dagmar: no it doesnt?

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fryfrog:

hey juski, do you watch that BBC "Robin Hood" show?

[17:04:12]

Baylink:

Google "kibibytes" and "mebibytes" for more on that...

[17:04:19]

Dagmar:

I can pretty much promise you that if you ask the people at GOogle, they can be contracted to sell you a 1EB array

[17:04:21]

juski:

I remember Exabyte tape drives, but that was just their name :-P

[17:04:27]

jackyyll1:

isn't the biggest HDD 750GB atm?

[17:04:30]

** Kritter watches it fryfrog. **

[17:04:35]

jackyyll1:

Haha

[17:04:38]

fryfrog:

like it?

[17:04:39]

jackyyll1:

Google doesn't have 1EB

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Baylink:

Yeah, and I suspect Exabyte is getting nervous.

[17:04:44]

fryfrog:

jackyyll1: there are 1TB drives

[17:04:47]

jackyyll1:

they're in the PB's still

[17:04:50]

Kritter:

I do yeah, but I know lots don't.

[17:04:51]

Baylink:

Yes, 750GB is the largest production retail drive.

[17:04:51]

Dagmar:

jackyll: Single physical units, yes.

[17:04:56]

juski:

I'm amazed Exabyte didn't get sued

[17:04:56]

tank-man:

lol, wtf is EBytes

[17:05:00]

Dagmar:

Single 1Tbs haven't hit the market yet afaik

[17:05:05]

jackyyll1:

exobyte

[17:05:06]

Dagmar:

THey're not slated until the end of summer

[17:05:07]

jackyyll1:

or exa

[17:05:09]

jackyyll1:

or w/e

[17:05:12]

fryfrog:

I watched the first episode, didn't make me want to jump on it but it wasn't terrible either

[17:05:13]

jackyyll1:

Ah

[17:05:20]

jackyyll1:

ex

[17:05:24]

jackyyll1:

yup

[17:05:33]

fryfrog:

though i only seem to have recorded 2 eps so far :(

[17:05:46]

** juski wakes up **

[17:05:46]

Torg:

the largest array you can buy is an hitachi USP or Sun 9990 at 330TB max afaik

[17:05:50]

juski:

time to go homeski

[17:05:54]

jackyyll1:

haha

[17:06:03]

Kritter:

it doesn't air in my area so um, I got them all another way

[17:06:10]

fryfrog:

ahhh

[17:06:14]

fryfrog:

they play on BBCA here

[17:06:17]

juski:

must remember to leave this screen session on though – my minimyth build is on the other window

[17:06:24]

Dagmar:

Torg: THis is why you call the people who do nothing but massive arrays of everything and try to work out a contract for them to build you something if you need 1Eb

[17:06:33]

Kritter:

yeah, suspect it plays on the BBC that's here, but that's a preium package.

[17:06:50]

Baylink:

Well, you can get 16 3.5"s in a shelf, and I think that's a 3ru shelf, so (84/3)*16

[17:06:52]

jackyyll1:

i think i can record 1,000,000,000 hours of video

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Baylink:

times 750GB

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jackyyll1:

im gonna get a 1eb array

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fryfrog:

Kritter: any idea how many eps there are?

[17:07:14]

jackyyll1:

waits

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Kritter:

BBC series are normally not more than 12 a season.

[17:07:19]

Kritter:

lemme check.

[17:07:21]

jackyyll1:

how many GB is 1 EB lol

[17:07:21]

fryfrog:

ah

[17:07:23]

jackyyll1:

1billion?

[17:07:29]

Dagmar:

Check Wikipedia

[17:07:34]

Kritter:

13.

[17:07:35]

Torg:

Dagmar if I was spendign that much on drives in that expensive of a cabinet I wouldnt put the 7200 or 10,000 rpms drives in it

[17:07:36]

Baylink:

27 shelves times 16 drives is

[17:07:43]

Kritter:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/robinhood/

[17:08:03]

Baylink:

Yikes.

[17:08:18]

Dagmar:

You'd probably want that in two racks

[17:08:26]

Dagmar:

Thermal density would eat you alive otherwise

[17:08:36]

Baylink:

324,000 GB

[17:08:42]

Baylink:

so 324 TB.

[17:08:47]

Baylink:

in one full sized rack.

[17:09:00]

jackyyll1:

Google saves the day!

[17:09:01]

Torg:

ever hear a 9990, the only thing worse is the hovercraft E15Ks

[17:09:01]

jackyyll1:

1 exabyte = 1 073 741 824 gigabytes

[17:09:10]

Baylink:

Assuming you only shelf one-deep; you could at least double that, though cooling would indeed be an issue.

[17:09:13]

Baylink:

You might triple it.

[17:09:20]

Dagmar:

Exactly.

[17:09:21]

Dagmar:

COoling.

[17:09:34]

jackyyll1:

I'm buying a 4U rackmount case for my mythbackend :p

[17:09:39]

Baylink:

You'd have to do contact liquid cooling, I suspect.

[17:09:45]

Dagmar:

If you put solid arrays in a rack on the front and backsides, you could roast a turkey quite nicely over the airhole at the top

[17:09:54]

Baylink:

Chilled glycol circulating through custom built drivek racks.

[17:10:03]

jackyyll1:

VapoChill.

[17:10:21]

Baylink:

Things other than mainframes don't make nearly as much use of liquid cooling as they might.

[17:10:27]

Torg:

disk treys with ual fans work fine

[17:10:38]

Baylink:

The thermal transfer is much more efficient, and it's silent.

[17:11:08]

Baylink:

Not with 432 drives in one rack...

[17:11:11]

jackyyll1:

ugh i guess im going with thte pvr500

[17:11:12]

jackyyll1:

so expensive :(

[17:11:36]

Dagmar:

You won't be saying that after you've used it awhile

[17:11:59]

jackyyll1:

Grand Total: $588.50

[17:12:01]

jackyyll1:

:(

[17:12:28]

archon-:

get two 150s?

[17:12:37]

jackyyll1:

same price lol

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jackyyll1:

i think the processor im getting for my backend is too good :p

[17:12:59]

Torg:

588 for a pvr500?

[17:13:14]

jackyyll1:

lol thats the price of the entire backend

[17:13:17]

fryfrog:

haha

[17:13:48]

jackyyll1:

Now i wonder if i should get a new TV first, or the backend first .. lol

[17:13:55]

Dagmar:

The TV first

[17:14:01]

Dagmar:

Their prices drop more slowly than disks

[17:14:03]

jackyyll1:

yeah thats what i was thinking

[17:14:04]

Torg:

both, at the same time

[17:14:08]

jackyyll1:

Lol

[17:14:14]

jackyyll1:

i dont got 213472834 dollras

[17:14:14]

Dagmar:

Aim for a used TV

[17:14:27]

jackyyll1:

why used?

[17:14:33]

Torg:

get a nice 1080P tv :)

[17:14:43]

Torg:

60+ incles

[17:14:56]

Dagmar:

jackyll: Because it'll be 2/3 the price of a new one at the most

[17:14:59]

jackyyll1:

i think the reason i originally went to newegg.com was to look at their TV's .. then i was like.. MYTHTV ZOMG

[17:15:17]

Dagmar:

I paid like $125 for this rather massive Phillips

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jackyyll1:

i dont need a very big tv

[17:16:06]

jackyyll1:

but is HAS to be bigger than my currect one (13" lmao)

[17:16:07]

Dagmar:

There's probably a curve that can be plotted as to why you shouldn't use a MythTV box if all you have is a little 19" TV

[17:16:21]

fryfrog:

I got a 30" WS tupe tb

[17:16:23]

fryfrog:

tv

[17:16:33]

Milosch:

except that it's handy if that's your second tv and you only have one cable box...

[17:16:33]

fryfrog:

if you are in the US and can get HD, i think its worth it now-a-days

[17:17:00]

fryfrog:

well, i guess HD in other places is cool too

[17:17:04]

fryfrog:

but i don't know anything about that ;)

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jackyyll1:

I bet i dont end up getting mythtv at all

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fryfrog:

prolly not

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fryfrog:

you know, a tivo is pretty cheap

[17:18:08]

fryfrog:

its just a shame its like $15/mo or something

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jackyyll1:

fuck tivo and their fees

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Torg:

and its SD too

[17:18:20]

jackyyll1:

and their hd's are sooo small

[17:18:34]

fryfrog:

you can add hard drives

[17:18:38]

fryfrog:

and they do HD as well as SD

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jackyyll1:

recording HD is hueg liek xbox though

[17:19:08]

fryfrog:

myth will be much larger :)

[17:19:17]

Torg:

and you can put up an antenna and tel the cable/sat comapny to take a hike

[17:19:17]

jackyyll1:

i know

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fryfrog:

you can do that with an HD tivo too

[17:19:58]

jackyyll1:

i'd much rather learn how to set up a server than just buy a tivo

[17:20:08]

fryfrog:

i concur :)

[17:20:16]

jackyyll1:

well i know how to, but i'd want to gain more experience in doing so

[17:20:20]

fryfrog:

i'm still trying to work all the weasels out of my mythbox though :(

[17:20:38]

Torg:

at $800 for an HD tivo plus ther subscrition fee ill build my own system at $600, with dual tuners, and use datadirect thank you very much

[17:20:51]

fryfrog:

no arguement here :)

[17:20:52]

jackyyll1:

do you think it's a good idea to use the mythbackend as a webserver also?

[17:20:59]

jackyyll1:

i dont think that should be too much of a resource hog

[17:21:02]

fryfrog:

but if it were for my *parents* i'd go with the tivo

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Torg:

esp to serach mythweb, yes

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GreyFoxx:

jackyyll1: as long as your backend isn't too measly it should be fine

[17:21:20]

fryfrog:

jackyyll1: I run mythbackend, apache, samba, and a few other things on my "server"

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Torg:

mythweb is generlly fine unless you ar streaming video

[17:21:26]

fryfrog:

its a dual P4 2.4g

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jackyyll1:

im getting a celeron d 3.2ghz lol

[17:21:48]

jackyyll1:

but i think it should handle a small webserver

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archon-:

hrm.. i think i have some bad hardware

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Torg:

I run my BE off an AMD 1500, that 1.3GHZ siangle core

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GreyFoxx:

jackyyll1: Easily

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Torg:

it comflagges and runs mythweb

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jackyyll1:

oh shit

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jackyyll1:

i knew i forgot to add something to my backend... RAM -.-

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fryfrog:

the *BE* doesn't need *jack*

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fryfrog:

I used to run 4x PVR250s from an Athlon-XP 1600+

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jackyyll1:

well i have to go move some junk... afk

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fryfrog:

SD is peanuts

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Torg:

I have 2g in my BE only becase I had it as spare memory

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fryfrog:

for recording, with hardware mpeg2

[17:25:31]

fryfrog:

yeah, mien are 1G for the same reason

[17:25:35]

fryfrog:

lots of extra DDR ram :p

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high-rez:

What bitrate are you guys running your PVRxxx's at? I enabled 720x480 and bumped the bit rate way up. Not sure if I can see a real difference though.

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fryfrog:

2200 was what i used to use, i think

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Torg:

I dont record SD and dont have PVRs

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fryfrog:

could probably have gone down too

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tank-man:

i use 480x480, 2600–3100kbps

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fryfrog:

I only use firewire now, and *those* recordings are about 600mb/hr

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fryfrog:

vs. 2.2G / hr

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fryfrog:

er, maybe its like 1G/hr firewire, 2.2G from old pvr500

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high-rez:

I'm doing 720x480 8000(ish). I just don't see any video addvantage.

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fryfrog:

drop it until its okay

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fryfrog:

wouldn't 8000 be like 8G/hr?

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high-rez:

Yeah it's like 8.3g/hr

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Como[]Lappy:

my girlfriends cable box has a usb port on it, never did figure out why

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fryfrog:

high-rez: for *SD* that would be a ginourmous waste :)

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fryfrog:

i mean, HD is only like 7G / hr :)

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Torg:

more like 7.5 but yes

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Torg:

mine come out at 6.8 – 7.6 most are at or about 7.4

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high-rez:

fryfrog: Yeah, gonna have to bump it down. :)

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opello:

does mythtv have anything for displaying the xds data from ivtv (or does ivtv provide that somewhere?)

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opello:

i think it'd be neat to be able to toggle as a caption option, if possible

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hjohnson:

opello: I don't know if anyone has closed captioning working

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opello:

works on mine, with analog cable and my pvr500

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tank-man:

closed caption works for me

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hjohnson:

ahh, so it does work, my bad.

[18:08:05]

opello:

i just meant the extended data services stuff, just learned about it today and it sounded like an option that would be neat to see somewhere

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juski:

argh! minimyth failed to build cos it couldn't download IEGD :(

[18:24:58]

otwin:

juski: there is some irony in that, no? ;-)

[18:25:40]

otwin:

its only there because of the s100 or not?

[18:26:47]

juski:

otwin: yup

[18:26:56]

juski:

I don't actually want it in this case

[18:27:51]

juski:

here we go again.. make clean, make garchive

[18:28:20]

neopsyche:

...

[18:30:39]

juski:

it's a learning process :)

[18:31:40]

juski:

just imagining the benefits of being able to build minimyth myself though – it's gonna be worth it

[18:32:51]

otwin:

you're no longer alone – trying to build here too – still downloading though

[18:33:39]

otwin:

are you using svn version of gar-minimyth?

[18:33:39]

juski:

I just hope it gets further than last time I tried building on ubunut

[18:33:53]

juski:

nah

[18:34:27]

juski:

looks as though at least one config file change didn't get backported from the svn gar though ;)

[18:34:28]

otwin:

same here – i had success on fc3, but thats a long time ago.

[18:35:02]

juski:

I'm only doing this to save pablo a lot of hassle

[18:35:11]

juski:

well and to learn some new tricks

[18:36:01]

juski:

hey hey looks like radtiotimes' xmltv feed is back :)

[18:36:02]

otwin:

i want to try including mythphone...

[18:36:29]

juski:

I want to try omitting mythgame :)

[18:36:36]

otwin:

:-)

[18:36:54]

juski:

anyway, time to cook

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immolo:

juski- thank god for that I was starting to shake with the lack of updated info for my tv

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juski:

huh?

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immolo:

radiotimes being back up :P

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otwin:

juski: IEGD seems to be there now, but other files are missing

[19:18:01]

juski:

yeah just seen your post about that, and make garchive just reported them not found

[19:18:09]

juski:

how much fun is this? ;)

[19:18:14]

juski:

evening stuarta

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stuarta:

evening juski, just hard locked my frontend twice...

[19:19:14]

stuarta:

damn preview thread.

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otwin:

juski: but pablo seems to online – everything is there now. boy is he fast...

[19:21:48]

juski:

:)

[19:21:56]

juski:

my frontend just crashed

[19:22:13]

juski:

1st time in ages I've seen it do that

[19:22:37]

juski:

got to the end of a recording & boom... X stopped

[19:23:18]

juski:

I wonder.. are there any nifty gui libraries that don't need X ?

[19:23:25]

stuarta:

oh mine no crash, just hard lock at 96% cpu

[19:23:54]

juski:

I can't help thinking about that elusive 'almost instant on' frontend

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stuarta:

mmm, few things to improve speed no doubt

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juski:

self-contained, bound to run on a limited set of hardware...

[19:24:27]

stuarta:

btw. new doctor who saturday night

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juski:

yeah I know. wait til I've seen it before I decide whether I'm fussed or not :)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

ohh, Dr. Who :D glad Catherine Tate isn't the new companion at least =P

[19:27:31]

juski:

saw a Wii in action today

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juski:

that's got a nice fancy UI :(

[19:28:31]

** RaYmAn-Bx hugs his Wii **

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juski:

put my ear up against it.. no noise

[19:29:02]

RaYmAn-Bx:

the drive is the only thing that's noisy

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juski:

aye

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juski:

makes me sick

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I'm looking forward till someone manages to unlock Wii homebrew though. GC homebrew on it really isn't enough

[19:30:41]

RaYmAn-Bx:

ohhh..Mythtv with wiimote control! :D

[19:30:52]

RaYmAn-Bx:

(on a pc that is)

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juski:

I'm still tempted to angle for a replacement for mythfrontend, with a much lighter code base, no X requirement.. just load the all-in-one app

[19:31:26]

juski:

think XBMC but for a PC platform

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RaYmAn-Bx:

a no-X requiring backend would be nice as well.

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GreyFoxx:

I can see if you are looking to run something on avery limited resource STB

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juski:

btw when I say 'angle' for it I don't mean begging for somebody to write one.. if there was ever a motivation to learn to code for me that'd be it

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GreyFoxx:

but I don't see why having X libs on the backend is a hardship otherwise

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juski:

nor do I

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RaYmAn-Bx:

GreyFoxx: I guess it just sort of annoys me =P

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juski:

I like the backend the way it is

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GreyFoxx:

Get over it :)

[19:33:20]

RaYmAn-Bx:

clean system and all.

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GreyFoxx:

Consider the size of the X libs versus the size of asingle recording ;)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I don't really care about the size tbh

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GreyFoxx:

It's not like X needs to be running

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RaYmAn-Bx:

yeah

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juski:

think about it though it only needs X for mythtv-setup, and if you can write a new frontend, you can make a new setup app to write changes to the db

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I even have a combined FE/BE so it wouldn't really matter in that sense.

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madhatter349:

hey could somebody please help me i set up mythtv on ubuntu i got video working but no audio

[19:34:33]

RaYmAn-Bx:

but it would actually be possible to port mythbackend to places without QT/X.

[19:34:49]

juski:

anyway for me it's all about 'instant-on'. STR just isn't there yet

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GreyFoxx:

juski: I wouldn't mind a sub 5 second power to screen setup

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** RaYmAn-Bx envisions a mythfrontend running on his Wii :D **

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GreyFoxx:

I should see just how fast I can get it down to

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juski:

sub 10 second would be a leap forwards for me :)

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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madhatter349:

anybody

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juski:

actually if I manage to get minimyth built there's all sorts of stuff I'll be taking out

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juski:

lmsensors for one thing – don't want it, never have

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madhatter349:

hwo do i get the audio working i get audio in tvtime

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GreyFoxx:

juski: yeah

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juski:

madhatter349: believe it or not, read the docs :)

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juski:

madhatter349: if you're using a framegrabber you need to _capture_ the audio input on the soundcard which you've plugged the tv tuner audio into

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madhatter349:

which doc lol ive been searching sorry im just a stupid newb

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jackyyll1:

Hmm

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jackyyll1:

when i get my backend server, how much ram should i put in it?

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madhatter349:

whats framegrabber

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juski:

you might have been bitten by the small bug where the tuner audio doesn't get unmuted

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jackyyll1:

Using it for fileserver + webserver + mythtv backend

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juski:

madhatter349: a tuner card which is analogue but isn't a hauppauge PVR card

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juski:

jackyyll1: I'd say minimum of 512MB to be nice & comfy

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madhatter349:

so hwo do i go about doing this

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jackyyll1:

Hmm i guess i'll start off with 512mb then, and if i see the need for more i'll get more

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juski:

madhatter349: well, is it a framegrabber?

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jackyyll1:

i never knew RAID controller were so damn expensive :/

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madhatter349:

im using an hauppauge wintv go

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juski:

madhatter349: and – get yourself acquainted with a linux audio mixer app & sort it out so that the line input on the soundcard is captured – or whatever input you have the tuner audio cable plugged into

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madhatter349:

ive recorded the audio before using tvtime

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juski:

madhatter349: to hell with tvtime. this is mythtv you're dealing with

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madhatter349:

i know

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madhatter349:

i get absolutly no audio

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juski:

who do I pay $10,000 to to get framegrabber support removed from mythtv?

[19:42:06]

juski:

;)

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GreyFoxx:

That would be me :)

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GreyFoxx:

I wil provide you with your own copy of myth minus framegrabber support ;)

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jackyyll1:

Ugh

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** juski writes out a cheque **

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jackyyll1:

Now my backend is over 600$

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juski:

madhatter349: you might be affected by the 'mute' buggette then. get xawtv & investigate the 'v4lctl' command – you need that to _unmute_ the tuner audio

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madhatter349:

im just a newb

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juski:

a way to find out if you're affected by that issue is to unmute the _playback_ section of alsamixer or whatever your fave mixer app is – unmute the audio channel you have the tv audio cable plugged into – if you hear no sound when mythtv is running, then you've seen the bug

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juski:

will you stop saying 'I'm just a newb' ffs. I was 'just a newb' once but i got off my arse & did some goddamn reading & eventually I wasn't a newb anymore

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jackyyll1:

im a newb at reading

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jackyyll1:

cant leern

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jackyyll1:

kthnxbai

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madhatter349:

k

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juski:

ok, so let's get this straight.. you open tvtime you hear sound right away, right?

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jackyyll1:

Hmmm i wonder if i should venture into the worlds of debian for the first time, or put ubuntu on it..

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madhatter349:

yes

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praet:

madhatter349: can you get a capture to play with audio?

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juski:

madhatter349: then when you go to 'watch tv' in mythfrontend you hear no sound?

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madhatter349:

nope no audio with capture

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juski:

madhatter349: what I suggest you do is for now make sure the LINE input is NOT muted, k?

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juski:

assuming the LINE input is what the tuner audio is connected to

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jackyyll1:

I was just wondering to myself.... Why is this backend going to cost so much.. then i remembered the 3 250GB HDD's :p

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madhatter349:

muted in what mythtv

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juski:

if you still don't hear audio (it'd be out of sync with the picture at that point btw) – then you need to _manually_ unmute the tuner card's audio using the _v4lctl_ command

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madhatter349:

i know its not muted bec im watching in xawtv noe

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juski:

madhatter349: no – muted in the linux mixer

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juski:

close xawtv

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madhatter349:

k

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jackyyll1:

i love when people suck at spelling.

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juski:

I hate it when people don't read the docs before even starting out on a project :)

[19:50:10]

jackyyll1:

Heh

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jackyyll1:

Yeah

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jackyyll1:

that's just stupid

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madhatter349:

its not muted in the audio i dont know what linux mixer is

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jackyyll1:

what's the point of doing it if you don't want to read up about it

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juski:

madhatter349: what desktop manager are you using? GNOME?

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jackyyll1:

linux mixer?... as in ALSA?

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madhatter349:

ubuntu

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jackyyll1:

lol....

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jackyyll1:

Great answer.

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juski:

open the GNOME mixer (volume control) by double-clicking on the little speaker icon at the top right

[19:51:02]

madhatter349:

k

[19:51:11]

madhatter349:

i idid that

[19:51:12]

jackyyll1:

juski: what desktop manager do you use?????

[19:51:14]

madhatter349:

its not muted

[19:51:20]

juski:

madhatter349: good (for now)

[19:51:27]

juski:

now open mythfrontend & go to 'watch tv'

[19:51:31]

madhatter349:

k

[19:51:34]

juski:

if you don't hear sound, leave it running

[19:51:41]

madhatter349:

k

[19:51:42]

madhatter349:

then

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jackyyll1:

jump off a building.

[19:51:59]

jackyyll1:

OR plug in the speakers

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** GreyFoxx reboots his frontend having trimmed his init scripts... wonder if I broke it :) **

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juski:

madhatter349: now open a terminal session

[19:52:42]

jackyyll1:

i wish i was like uber rich

[19:52:50]

jackyyll1:

and have a whole rack of servers in my closet

[19:52:53]

jackyyll1:

that'd be fun.

[19:52:56]

juski:

issue the command 'v4lctl volume mute off'

[19:53:00]

madhatter349:

no audio still

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jackyyll1:

(without the ' ')

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madhatter349:

k

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gardengnome:

re

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jackyyll1:

tard

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juski:

wb gardengnome. hand me the noose please... it's for me

[19:53:47]

jackyyll1:

lol

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madhatter349:

opened

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juski:

madhatter349: now issue the command I just gave you & I suspect very much that you will hear sound from the tuner

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jackyyll1:

(without the ' ')

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madhatter349:

yes i hear sound now

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juski:

!!!!!!!!!!!!

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juski:

amazing !!!!!!

[19:55:12]

jackyyll1:

Can you see sound now too?

[19:55:17]

jackyyll1:

Cus i can.,

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** gardengnome beers juski **

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juski:

this is so frustrating though – mythtv should be doing the unmuting when it opens the tuner card

[19:56:25]

juski:

madhatter349: ok, so now you have to go back into the gnome mixer thing & set the audio channel to _mute_

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madhatter349:

k

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juski:

madhatter349: then you have to make sure 'capture' is enabled on that channel

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madhatter349:

hwo do i do that

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juski:

you should still hear sound, and it should be in sync with the picture

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juski:

a little microphone icon next to the mute button if I remember right

[19:57:51]

juski:

ah no... it's in the 'capture' tab of the mixer

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madhatter349:

how do make sure 'capture' is enabled on that channel

[19:58:08]

juski:

make sure the little mike icon is not crossed out

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madhatter349:

so do u wnat me to hear audio now

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juski:

you should be, if you set up mythtv-setup correctly

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Got my boot time down to 15 seconds

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.pastebin.ca/415674

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GreyFoxx:

well, 15 seconds from kernel load which is about 1 second after power on

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** juski points GreyFoxx at minimyth :) **

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gardengnome:

oh, minimyth

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GreyFoxx:

So far I've just trimmed some stuff from init scripts

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** gardengnome suppresses a guilt trip **

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madhatter349:

i hear audio now in mythtv

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** juski is still running make garchive ;) **

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madhatter349:

i dont think its sync

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juski:

madhatter349: is the channel still muted in the 'playback' tab ?

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praet:

juski: what os do your run?

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madhatter349:

ubunt 10

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juski:

praet: on the frontend? minimyth

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GreyFoxx:

man, it spends 6 seconds starting hotplug

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GreyFoxx:

*kills that*

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juski:

on the backend it's not important what distro I run

[20:01:01]

praet:

oh i meant in ref to 'make garchive'

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stuarta:

6 seconds??? wtf is hotplug doing?

[20:01:14]

juski:

praet: minimyth is based on the GAR build system

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madhatter349:

what

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madhatter349:

i dont understand you

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GreyFoxx:

stuarta: No clue, just startting up and I assume looking for devices it should auto load drivers for

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juski:

madhatter349: anyway, next thing you need to do is add that 'v4lctl volume mute off' command into a startup script

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juski:

madhatter349: the PLAYBACK tab of GNOME MIXER

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juski:

do you want to see pretty pictures too?

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madhatter349:

the audio is before the video and then the video slows down

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GreyFoxx:

Now my biggest slowdown is the X + IceWM startup

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madhatter349:

i see alot of error when i open it up from terminal

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GreyFoxx:

mostly X

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madhatter349:

2007-03–29 16:01:00.624 NVP: Video is 30 frames ahead of audio,

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madhatter349:

doubling video frame interval to slow down.

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madhatter349:

2007-03–29 16:01:00.624 VideoOutputXv: dtor

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madhatter349:

2007-03–29 16:01:00.624 VideoOutputXv: DiscardFrames(1)

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madhatter349:

2007-03–29 16:01:00.624 VideoBuffers::DiscardFrames(1): UUUUUUUUUUUUAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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madhatter349:

2007-03–29 16:01:00.624 VideoBuffers::DiscardFrames(): AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA — done()

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madhatter349:

i ahve a 3 ghz pentium 4 and 512 of ram

[20:03:42]

madhatter349:

i dont think my box is to slow

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praet:

madhatter349: use pastebin.ca to relay large text

[20:03:49]

juski:

madhatter349: whatever VGA card you have, get out of here & install the proper drivers

[20:03:59]

juski:

I'm outta here

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madhatter349:

i didnt install any

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kormoc:

madhatter349, might want to, as drivers tend to be important

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praet:

madhatter349: he recommended you install them

[20:06:47]

madhatter349:

wher do i get them from

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kormoc:

madhatter349, you still haven't told us what card you are even using, so how can we know?

[20:07:53]

madhatter349:

hauppauge wintv to go

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Torg:

thats a capture card

[20:08:06]

kormoc:

that's a caputre card, not a video card

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madhatter349:

o video card intel 82865g

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stuarta:

and i've crashed the frontend again

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** stuarta goes for 2 in a row **

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madhatter349:

so what should i do

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sigger:

is there any way to start myth with no X? sounds crazy, but it is indeed what I'm trying to do. anyone?

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xris:

sigger: what would you do with it?

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praet:

sigger: you mean the backend

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sigger:

using it to test the mpd telnet and I'm at office testing via ssh w/o ability to receive the X stuff

[20:19:59]

sigger:

once it starts I can telnet. highly unusual I know.

[20:20:08]

sigger:

the frontend

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praet:

without x installed?

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jackyyll1:

is there an apple tv mythtv theme yet? lol

[20:21:31]

sigger:

well, the front end at home which I'm sshing into does indeed have X. I just can't have it forwarded to me here.

[20:23:55]

degreseven:

my guide data seems to be incorrect. is there an easy way to delete and re-fetch ALL guide data, rather than just fetching new data?

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praet:

mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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degreseven:

ah, thanks a lot =)

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praet:

sigger: what happens when you run mythfrontend and try telnet

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sigger:

mythfrontend quits telling me: mythfrontend: cannot connect to X server

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sigger:

thanks praet! of course I can just export DISPLAY=":0.0" then run frontend

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sigger:

all cool. thanks!

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jackyyll1:

Hmm

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jackyyll1:

What should i use: Debian, Ubuntu, or Fedora

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ectospasm:

Gentoo!

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jackyyll1:

Or Gentoo :p

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degreseven:

gentoo

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magnanimous:

quick question... how do I add new channels to mythNews?

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gardengnome:

magnanimous: i think you need to edit the xml files

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stuarta:

s/edit/hack

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magnanimous:

I was looking at .mythtv/mythnews... and it's XML files of the RSS feeds... but which XML file tells it which feeds it is reading?

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magnanimous:

I can't find a directory /edit/hack ... and there's no google references

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magnanimous:

!mythnews

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magnanimous:

:-( there's no bot

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gardengnome:

magnanimous: s/edit/hack/ was stuarta's way to correct my choice of words.

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magnanimous:

oh

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gardengnome:

there is a bot, but this isn't some stupid warez channel where you can just !list ;)

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gardengnome:

magnanimous: those xml files are somewhere in /usr/share/mythtv/

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magnanimous:

ah, I'll look there

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gardengnome:

magnanimous: /usr/share/mythtv/mythnews/news-sites.xml

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gardengnome:

on my box at least

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magnanimous:

Ohh. wow, so /usr/share/mythtv are the XML files for everything? like the menu layout?

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stuarta:

all sorts of things yes, including menus :)

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magnanimous:

That's very helpful thanks... I couldn't find anything on like the first 3 pages of google on it, it's all Download and install

[21:01:50]

magnanimous:

is there a guide tot he plugins you would recomend?

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gardengnome:

there might be something on http://wiki.mythtv.org

[21:02:56]

magnanimous:

gardengnome, no.. the info on mythnews there is only about 5 lines, copied off the ubuntu forums

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gardengnome:

well, what do you need to know?

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magnanimous:

things like... if there are programs to edit those XML files, or where best to go to find out how to configure stuff in the plugins..

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magnanimous:

or .. if there's a warez channel with a bot? lol

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jackyyll1:

Hmmm anyone know why debian has two install dvd's?

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jackyyll1:

do i need both?

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gardengnome:

magnanimous: umm, just look at the file format, it should be self-explaining.

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kormoc:

jackyyll1, might want to ask in #debian

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stuarta:

because it won't fit on 1?

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stuarta:

kormoc: actually that won't help much

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stuarta:

the've moved to oftc.net

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kormoc:

stuarta, ooh, heh, shows how much I keep up with debian stuff :P

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magnanimous:

jackyyll1, just get Ubuntu :-)

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kormoc:

magnanimous, and fyi, wiki.mythtv.org does have quite a bit about the xml file format for the menus

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jackyyll1:

uhhh, i'd rather not..

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stuarta:

ubuntu = debian + bling – politics

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jackyyll1:

ubuntu = newb linux

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** kormoc shuts his mouth **

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magnanimous:

yeah... and me = newb using newb linux

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jackyyll1:

your a newb at linux because you use ubuntu lol

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magnanimous:

kormoc, I'll look for the XML for the menus... I just pointed out that it didn't ahve anything about mythNews XML :-( or at least, didn't see it

[21:14:06]

magnanimous:

jackyyll1, well yeah... and.. because I'm kind of new to it

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hads:

Distro hating is for whimps

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kormoc:

magnanimous, no, but it has all about the general xml format, which will tell you all you need about the specifc one

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magnanimous:

I like it a lot so far

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jackyyll1:

i dont hate any distros

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jackyyll1:

i've used ubuntu before

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jackyyll1:

but i wouldn't use it for a server..

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hads:

So you're a newb?

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jackyyll1:

no

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gardengnome:

"your" a "newb" at spelling because you use "your", "lol". ;)

[21:15:22]

jackyyll1:

"lol"

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jackyyll1:

you're a spelling!

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magnanimous:

kormoc, :-) I'll read over that :-) thanks

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pigeon:

hmm where can i change the font size of the list of recordings in mythfrontend? They seem to be not affected by those in Setup -> Appearances

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** juski points out that there IS indeed an AppleTV inspired GUI theme, and it's called neon-wide **

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gardengnome:

stop reading the logs

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juski:

I genuinely wanted to know how mcnewb got on

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pigeon:

juski: hi, i only have "change recording group", "change playback group" and "enable auto expire" under storage option? (re: editing recording's title/description)

[21:37:20]

juski:

oo Radio2 have a restructure eh... please can Steve Wright.. PLEASE!

[21:37:32]

juski:

what?

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juski:

I am not the messiah, I'm a very naughty boy...

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pigeon:

juski: heh sorry, last night i was asking if i could edit a recording's title/subtitle/description/etc.

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juski:

ah that!

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juski:

then maybe it's not that option but another one. I'd have thought it'd be enough of a hint for you to look

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juski:

its there somewhere – I used it once

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pigeon:

ah

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pigeon:

ok

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pigeon:

i found the editing title/subtitle under recording options now

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pigeon:

fair enough, only this two fields would do for now

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pigeon:

thanks

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juski:

np :)

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pigeon:

if i'm desperate later i'll fiddle in the database :)

[21:40:41]

juski:

yeah that needs desperation – but be careful

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** juski leaves minimyth to build overnight & stew in its own juices **

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gardengnome:

oh

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gardengnome:

juski: whatcha doing with minimyth?

[21:41:31]

juski:

gardengnome: on a voyage of discovery

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gardengnome:

juski: like, when i was 13.. oh, nevermind.

[21:41:55]

juski:

I wanna know what caused the regression in playback performance between 0.20–21 and 0.20–22

[21:42:18]

juski:

I have a need to nail that sodding glitch

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gardengnome:

juski: svn log? :)

[21:42:40]

juski:

same old same old

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juski:

prebufferring pause, NVP, etc

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gardengnome:

yeah, but it'd be useful to see what's changed. :)

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** stuarta is enjoying watching scary movie 3. it's funny **

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juski:

gardengnome: too much has changed, but top of the list of suspects are: mythtv and the openchrome driver

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juski:

maybe alsa too at a push

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gardengnome:

i've rebuilt gar-minimyth some time ago but i really cant test it right now

[21:44:06]

juski:

I think it's openchrome tbh

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t0ny-p40:

Its it possible to make my dvd drive do a constant read other then just bursts every few seconds?

[21:44:20]

juski:

mythtv doesn't perform *that* badly on a low cpu

[21:45:09]

juski:

if all else fails I could try putting in OMGoptomisations to make my personal build less generic

[21:45:45]

juski:

it's really not been as good since minimyth started support for other hardware IMHO

[21:46:15]

juski:

but that might just be coincidence... all will come out eventually

[21:46:57]

gardengnome:

they're using more generic -Omglol now, i think

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juski:

even 0.20–21 has little tiny, barely noticable judders.. like missing one frame every now & again. I notice stuff like that too easy

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gardengnome:

juski: might be related to deinterlacing

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juski:

might be once every few minutes, and even then only on fast moving things

[21:47:53]

juski:

it's not related to deinterlacing, cos I'd have noticed it ages ago

[21:48:15]

juski:

since the version numbers of things have gone up, performance has gone down a notch

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juski:

and I fully intend to find out why :)

[21:48:59]

juski:

if that eventually means running on a 5.8 Xorg, so be it :)

[21:49:30]

juski:

actually if I need to go that far back I might just pack it in & buy a PROPER frontend

[21:49:39]

juski:

;)

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juski:

my money's on openchrome though

[21:51:04]

juski:

the s100 used less CPU on playback, didn't judder one bit AND it has a slower CPU

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gardengnome:

<3 s100

[21:52:35]

juski:

thing that gets me is – I cant be the only UK person using minimyth with an epia m10k

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juski:

yet nobody else reports this stuff

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stuarta:

can't say i use minimyth or have an epia

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juski:

and if it was an epia & mythtv issue alone (i.e non-minimyth), people would be all over the mailing list about it

[21:53:48]

hads:

EPIAs are cool

[21:54:02]

t0ny-p40:

Any one here ever use a uhf modulator with mythtv?

[21:54:08]

t0ny-p40:

like http://www.futurehomesystems.com/v100.shtml

[21:54:08]

juski:

hahahahaha

[21:54:18]

juski:

t0ny-p40: kayelem might've done

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stuarta:

i wish i had time to dig more into the stuff i found.

[21:55:00]

t0ny-p40:

They look cool, one front end on every tv in the house :)

[21:55:12]

juski:

kayelem has had mythtv working with a 405-line TV & other more er... esoteric displays

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juski:

t0ny-p40: RF modulators: worst way to get a picture, mono sound (ugh)

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juski:

t0ny-p40: what you need is: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo= . . . amp;doy=29m3

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t0ny-p40:

Thats over cat5

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juski:

yeah – infinitely better than coax

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juski:

AND you get stereo audio – or digital audio if you prefer

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juski:

that might be an option for me actually- zap the powerful machine downstairs, svideo & digi audio, with the IR remote fed back up here

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juski:

always on, no need to worry about boot time too!

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juski:

and very silent ;)

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praet:

i was thinking of routing cables from my backend from a closet to a tv

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praet:

as i have no frontend

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juski:

stuarta: yeah it's a pity about that – but hey no worries.. there'll be time one day for *somebody* to look at it

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praet:

but noise and wire mess is still infinately better than _no_ mythtv

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stuarta:

it's bugging me too, i'm just buried in work for about the next 2–3months :(

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juski:

by the time HDTV hits our shores properly folks here will be needing every drop of performance

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stuarta:

not even enough time to watch what i record

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juski:

stuarta: where does the bulk of the work lie? tracing where the time is taking up?

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stuarta:

for the prebuffering stuff?

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juski:

aye – just wondering if there's owt anybody can do to help that isn't geet hard code

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stuarta:

the one i found has the symptoms that the audio cracks up when the vid is okay,

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stuarta:

the it sorts itself out for a bit

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juski:

that's mine

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stuarta:

then the video drops frames while the audio is okay

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stuarta:

repeat.

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stuarta:

you see that whole cycle?

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juski:

get about 100mS gap in the audio.. then the video slows down, the vid goes back to speed, then the audio 'wows', then it's fine for a bit...

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stuarta:

yep, that's it.

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juski:

happens to greater or lesser degrees & only ever on bbc recordings

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stuarta:

it's basically a control system that needs tuning

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juski:

oh gawd now I remember the discussion

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stuarta:

appears when the cpu required to decode frames is ~= max cpu

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stuarta:

yeah, it drops frames to resync the audio & video

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juski:

yeah only the cpu peaks are too slow for you to see in top

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stuarta:

overshoots, then drops audio.

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juski:

stuarta: my dad's wharfdale STB does it too :)

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praet:

hey juski i see you finished neon-wide

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stuarta:

i'll see if i can dig out the message from bruce with debugging/tuning ideas

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juski:

praet: a theme is never finished man

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juski:

I brought it out of beta, is all

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stuarta:

gamma?

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juski:

hehe something like that

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stuarta:

found the message, now to find it in the archives.

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stuarta:

you want bruce's reply...

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stuarta:

replies even

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juski:

hmmm interesty

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juski:

something to play with when I'm done (succeeded or given up) with the mythmusak button code I wanna look at

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juski:

not that I'll be able to do more than play & report what I see of course

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juski:

I remember being somewhat dumfounded by the 'warpfactor' column in the database though – I mean mplayer doesn't need it does it?

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juski:

but then mplayer isn't doing what mythtv is doing.. so it's apples & oranges

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juski:

and the last thing I needed was to make cogs start whirring before going to bed ;)

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stuarta:

haha, i'm about to go and do a system upgrade on the amd64 install

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juski:

g'night for now

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gardengnome:

byebye.

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stuarta:

night

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TheAsp:

Is there any detailed documentation for setting up profiles and trasncoding for a mix of digital/analog/hdtv?

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WattoDaToydarian:

Can someone help me solve this error? "GetRecordBasename found no entry"

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tank-man:

have you tried setting it up? its pretty intuitive

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