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Wednesday, March 28th, 2007, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:33] ByteChanger: hi all. If I want to get the latest stable version of mythtv, is a apt-get install mythtv sufficent?
[00:01:37] onewheelskyward: I don't get the whole 'installing linux on a console' thing.
[00:02:16] onewheelskyward: ByteChanger: Generally, yes. 0.20 is the latest stable version.
[00:02:27] t0ny-p40: onewheelskyward, the only thing I like about it is its some what cheap and it has 4 3GHZ processors
[00:02:45] ByteChanger: cool. thanks... Having too many problems and figure I should start with a stable version and proceed from there if i desire...
[00:02:49] onewheelskyward: It's a quad processor box?
[00:03:03] onewheelskyward: ByteChanger: I recommend starting with stable. It just makes sense.  :)
[00:03:17] t0ny-p40: onewheelskyward, yes, I think so
[00:03:30] t0ny-p40: its powerpc too if I remeber right
[00:03:36] onewheelskyward: t0ny-p40: Ok, that I could see. but how much RAM?
[00:03:44] t0ny-p40: 512mb I think
[00:03:49] onewheelskyward: ugh.
[00:03:49] t0ny-p40: I should look it up..
[00:04:09] onewheelskyward: http://hardware.teamxbox.com/articles/xbox/11 . . . fications/p1
[00:04:16] onewheelskyward: Oh it's a 3 _core_ processor. That's different.  :)
[00:04:33] t0ny-p40: it has 3
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[00:04:42] t0ny-p40: too late :/
[00:04:44] t0ny-p40: :p*
[00:05:30] onewheelskyward: I guess I would find it more tantalizing if I didn't already have enough computers in the house.  :)
[00:05:49] t0ny-p40: I would if I did not hate microsoft.
[00:06:28] onewheelskyward: Yet?
[00:07:16] t0ny-p40: yet??
[00:09:08] onewheelskyward: How long until someone figures out how to access the other hardware?
[00:13:32] FunkyELF: hey guys, how can I use ffmpeg to cut commercials if I know where all the timestamps are?
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[00:27:06] ixiion: hi
[00:27:39] ixiion: i need help with a bug in mythtv
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[00:28:36] ixiion:
[00:28:55] ixiion: error is :
[00:29:41] ixiion: okay i check this
[00:30:04] xris: if you have any trouble getting a backtrace, let us know...
[00:30:16] xris: though you never mentioned if it was a crash or just an error printed to the console
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[00:31:30] ixiion: mythtv-setup quits
[00:31:46] ixiion: and there are error messages in the console
[00:32:00] xris: anything say "segfault" or "segmentation fault"?
[00:32:04] ixiion: no
[00:32:06] xris: probably the last thing it prints
[00:32:07] xris: odd
[00:32:34] xris: someone more experienced than me at backtraces will have to help you with this, then.
[00:32:36] livingtm: Im attempting to compile mythtv-0.20 from the ubuntu source packages and am getting errors: "collect2: ld returned 1 exit status. make[2]: *** [mythfrontend] Error 1"
[00:32:53] xris: livingtm: why recompile packages?
[00:33:05] livingtm: xris, because eventually im going to tweak code
[00:33:21] livingtm: figured i'd start with the ubuntu package
[00:33:44] xris: if you're going to tweak code, it's recommended that you run svn.
[00:33:55] xris: otherwise, not many of the devs will be willing to help much.
[00:33:59] xris: too much has changed since .20
[00:34:11] livingtm: xris, i guess i figured i would have the same trouble with svn.. if i couldnt comple fromthe package i would have trouble with svn
[00:34:26] livingtm: ill grab svn then and seen
[00:34:31] livingtm: see what i can make of it
[00:35:17] xris: packages sometimes have to do weird things to config files to fit within the build environment.... dunno about the deb stuff, but I know that the rpm ones do (since I maintain a set)
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[00:35:33] xris: livingtm: did you run apt-get build-dep?
[00:36:30] livingtm: xris yep
[00:36:52] livingtm: xris, it compiles for 5 – 10 minutes, then pukes when it hits the /programs section
[00:37:08] xris: livingtm: first, install ccache. it'll speed up your recompiles
[00:37:30] xris: next, pastebin the last 100+ lines of the compile, including the error.
[00:40:41] ** xris ponders getting a new mythbox **
[00:41:11] ixiion: an other question i still have my old mythtvconverg database , how can i impot this to my actual mythtv ?
[00:41:26] xris: do you have recordings, too?
[00:41:34] ixiion: yes
[00:41:43] ixiion: but not much
[00:42:35] ixiion: more important for me would be the old channel list :)
[00:42:44] xris: you could just copy the /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg/ directory over
[00:43:09] ixiion: hm i thought so , and still did this
[00:43:28] ixiion: but i think it dont worked
[00:43:45] ixiion: i will try again
[00:43:54] livingtm: xris, actually i think it worked...
[00:44:30] livingtm: the lines "exiting error 1" and "exiting error 2" are deceiving
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[00:54:12] ixiion: does mythtv-setup saves all its information in mythconverg ?
[00:54:48] GreyFoxx: yes
[00:55:06] ixiion: hm then i do anything wrong
[00:55:10] GreyFoxx: all data is stored in mysql except for the settings to connect to mysql
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[00:59:28] ixiion: because i have moved my old mythconverg to /var/lib/mysql/ but all transponders and channels are gone
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[01:01:19] xris: ixiion: restart mysql?
[01:01:27] xris: or rather: stop, copy, start
[01:01:42] ixiion: ehm ... no :)
[01:04:19] ixiion: well , next problem
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[01:05:11] ixiion: lots of DB errors when i start mythtv-setup
[01:06:09] kormoc: hrm. You copy a database overtop of another in use database and now you say you have lots of db errors?
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[01:06:27] ** kormoc thinks there might just be a small chance they are related issues **
[01:06:54] ixiion: no i have not copied over
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[01:07:25] ixiion: first i moved /var/lib/mysql/mythtconverg to ~/
[01:07:33] ixiion: the whole folder
[01:08:14] ixiion: an the copied /mnt/olddisk/var/lib/mysql/mythconverg/ to /var/lib/mysql/
[01:08:36] hjohnson: ixiion: mysql doesn't like it when you do that.
[01:08:46] hjohnson: ixiion: you're better off exporting and importing the database.
[01:09:06] hjohnson: basically you can dump a whole database as a big-ass text file made up of SQL statements...
[01:09:15] kormoc: ixiion, did you shut mysql down before you copied it out of there?
[01:09:18] hjohnson: then run those SQL statements to regenerate the database.
[01:11:17] ixiion: kormoc you mean i have to shutdown mysql befor moveing /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg to ~/  ?
[01:11:39] hjohnson: ixiion: uh, yeah
[01:11:45] ixiion: hjohnson i can not export the old sql database anymore
[01:11:56] hjohnson: ixiion: databases really really hate it when you move the files from underneath them
[01:11:57] kormoc: ixiion, yes, it's very important to do so, as I think you just learned
[01:12:10] hjohnson: ixiion: i'll wager your database is toast now.
[01:13:48] ixiion: most importat is /mnt/olddisk ... mythvconverg , and only copied it not moving
[01:13:51] GreyFoxx: ixiion: What version of mysql are you running ?
[01:14:47] ixiion: 5.0
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[01:15:17] GreyFoxx: if you tar up the mythconverg directory in question, put it somewhere I can grab it I'll make you a sql dump of it you can import to the new location
[01:16:07] ixiion: oh that would be nice
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[01:25:28] ectospasm: I'm wondering if this would be a good starter base for a mythtv box: http://www.cappuccinopc.com/anjing-sp.asp
[01:26:29] ectospasm: I'd like to have a capture card that has two tuners if possible. Will one of the Hauppage PVR cards work?
[01:27:44] Dave123: pvr-500
[01:28:00] Dave123: so im told
[01:28:12] ectospasm: yeah, I think I had seen that somewhere before, also
[01:28:36] ectospasm: trouble is, the box I just linked to only has 1 PCI slot. I'm also wary of the onboard video
[01:29:12] ixiion: GreyFoxx: here it is http://home.arcor.de/holgerschenk/downloads/i . . . verg.tar.bz2
[01:31:55] ixiion: btw. http://home.arcor.de/holgerschenk/downloads/i . . . llpaper2.JPG is also nice :)
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[01:34:16] withteeth: any one feel like helping a friend out...hooking up the PC to HDTV?
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[01:35:30] ectospasm: does the PVR-500 come with a remote?
[01:36:39] ixiion: GreyFoxx still here ?
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[02:20:13] ixiion: it got quite quiet here
[02:22:51] ixiion: GreyFoxx ?
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[02:27:01] t0ny-p40: Is it possible to use my tivo's old irblaster with a soundcard?
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[02:28:38] thylacine222: Not without writing your own software, no.
[02:28:56] thylacine222: It´s possible the other way around, to connect an IR reciever to a sound card.
[02:30:11] t0ny-p40: I only have one serial port and I'm using it so would it be possible to do it with one of those usb to serial dongles?
[02:31:09] thylacine222: Do what?
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[02:33:49] Ediehow: help, when i use mytharchive, the resulting iso's audio really sucks
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[02:40:56] Ediehow: hi xris
[02:41:02] Ediehow: you said u dont use mytharchive, right?
[02:41:09] banyan: There isn't a video4linux kernel module package for 2.6.20–1.2933.fc6 is there...
[02:41:10] xris: nope
[02:41:17] xris: that is... nope, I don't use it
[02:41:24] Ediehow: xris: it seems when i make an iso with mytharchive, the audio blows
[02:42:07] t0ny-p40: thylacine222, make my own serial blaster and then use a usb adaptor to make it work.
[02:42:26] Ediehow: xris: what do you do to make dvds?
[02:42:40] xris: I don't
[02:42:57] ixiion: i guess you have a bigg hdd :)
[02:43:06] Ediehow: anyone use mytharchive?
[02:43:10] xris: I encode to xvid or h.264 and only occasionally burn the data to backup disks with a program called dar (backup archive program)
[02:43:40] ixiion: dar is cool
[02:43:57] thylacine222: t0ny: it should work.
[02:44:11] thylacine222: I don´t use usb to serial, though, so don´t quote me on it.
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[02:45:06] Ediehow: anyone make dvds from recordings?
[02:45:35] Ediehow: can i use something better than mpeg2 PS if i use pvr150mce ?
[02:45:39] banyan: I've made video cds.
[02:45:41] thylacine222: Hey xris, I´ve been trying to get this working: http://chiefhacker.com/2007/01/22/streaming-m . . . using-flash/ but I keep getting an unknown module was specified. Do you know what that is?
[02:47:22] ixiion: xris does your mythtv encode automaticly to xvid ?
[02:47:37] xris: ixiion: nuvexport
[02:47:51] xris: ixiion: though mythtv will do divx.. it just goes into the nuv container that nothing else can play well.
[02:47:56] Ediehow: see, i wonder if there's some setup thingie for mytharchive
[02:48:00] Ediehow: to tell it to use some different format?
[02:48:03] Ediehow: it really makes the audio stink
[02:48:54] thylacine222: t0ny: I don´t see why you´d want to, it already has an IR blaster, but if you wired the blaster right, it might work.
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[02:50:38] xris: thylacine222: unknown module means that the author is probably using a very old copy of mythweb
[02:51:15] xris: ixiion: I have rudimentary flash streaming built into svn mythweb, though.
[02:51:22] robbins876: xris: you familiar with dual-booting?
[02:51:31] xris: robbins876: somewhat
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[02:52:07] robbins876: I have Fedora installed and has been working great for over a year now, but I want to play some games, so I put another HDD in my box and installed windows. Problem: Grub doesn't detect the windows partition, so how do I get into windows without having to change my boot sequence everytime I want to run XP?
[02:52:14] robbins876: just pasted that from a different chan, forgive me
[02:52:27] thylacine222: xris: Hmm, that´s weird, this was meant for .20.
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[02:55:00] thylacine222: Is it possible that this could be a mod_rewrite problem? Not that I know what that is, but it´s shown up online related to this error.
[02:55:25] xris: thylacine222: he doesn't say anything about patching mythweb... hard to make it work without that
[02:55:37] xris: oh, I see where it is
[02:55:43] xris: no clue
[02:56:08] xris: according to that blog entry, you shouldn't be changing any mod_rewrite stuff
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[02:56:14] Ediehow: i just don't get it
[02:56:28] Ediehow: i keep upping the bitrate but video is still blocky on movement
[02:56:46] xris: Ediehow: are the files the correct size?
[02:56:54] xris: maybe you have an ffmpeg version incompatiblity..
[02:56:58] xris: or maybe your source files are also that way?
[02:57:00] Ediehow: xris: how do i determine?
[02:57:13] Ediehow: first off, how do i see about ffmpeg?
[02:57:15] xris: Ediehow: look at the size of the files that mytharchive puts out?
[02:57:49] xris: Ediehow: ffmpeg changed the commandline flags for bitrate. I don't know if mytharchive updated to detect such things (it was a pain to do for nuvexport)
[02:58:05] xris: I don't even know if mytharchive uses ffmpeg directly
[03:00:05] Ediehow: xris: i am talking about even quality of myre cordings
[03:00:08] Ediehow: like
[03:00:14] banyan: I would build the video4linux source rpm but the one I have access to was somehow packaged just for x86_64.
[03:00:17] Ediehow: i have pvr150mce
[03:00:20] Ediehow: and i use ivtv
[03:00:26] banyan: shouldn't source rpms all be noarch?
[03:00:56] xris: Ediehow: analog signal == static == blocky
[03:01:05] xris: you may have just reached the limits of the signal
[03:01:07] kormoc: banyan, typically v4l is intigrated with the kernel
[03:01:22] banyan: except for the saa7127 module.
[03:01:25] xris: it's not like an analog signal is more than 512x384
[03:01:25] Ediehow: xris: no i mean, it doesn't look as good as tv
[03:01:36] xris: Ediehow: tv isn't as high res as your monitor
[03:01:42] Ediehow: hmm
[03:01:50] xris: Ediehow: tv is analog -> analog
[03:01:56] xris: computer is analog -> digital -> analog
[03:02:07] kormoc: banyan, included with my 2.6.17.13 and newer
[03:02:11] ** kormoc shrugs **
[03:02:14] thylacine222: Xris: What´s making me think it´s a mod_rewrite problem is that that error shouldn´t be coming up if the page is directed to where it´s supposed to be directed to, instead of mythweb.php
[03:02:25] thylacine222: Unless I´m completely misinterpreting that.
[03:02:27] banyan: but not 2.6.20–1.2925 or 2933.
[03:02:36] xris: Ediehow: if you want quality, you should record as high as the tuner card goes, since that's going to catch as much of the signal as possible.. but it will ALWAYS look blurry.
[03:02:47] xris: thylacine222: what's the URL?
[03:03:00] thylacine222: ip.address/mythweb/data/streamer.php
[03:03:04] Ediehow: ok, how do i figure out as high as the tuner card goes?
[03:03:09] Ediehow: i mean, so i can know what bitrate to use
[03:03:12] xris: data should be ignored by htaccess
[03:03:22] banyan: just crank it up max.
[03:03:26] kormoc: banyan, fair 'nuff. In anycase, srpms can contain arch specific patches and the like
[03:03:29] thylacine222: So shouldn´t that eror not show up?
[03:03:39] Ediehow: i mean, under recording profiles
[03:03:51] xris: thylacine222: correct
[03:04:15] banyan: It'd be nice to get 2933 running.
[03:04:19] kormoc: banyan, and actually, my 2.6.20.1 does have saa7127
[03:04:33] thylacine222: What I think is happening is that it is getting confused because there are arguments after the "php", like ?showid=fdsfdsd&file=fdsfdsf
[03:04:37] banyan: what is your uname -r?
[03:04:42] banyan: 2911?
[03:04:54] Ediehow: mythtv would have what?
[03:05:09] xris: Ediehow: the slider for controlling bitrate
[03:05:17] kormoc: banyan, vanilla-sources-2.6.20.1
[03:05:22] Ediehow: right, i just assumed it let you make it higher than you even needed to go
[03:05:30] thylacine222: But even when I remove the arguments, the error still shows up
[03:05:36] xris: Ediehow: it does.
[03:05:36] Ediehow: like, i assumed ther ewas a point where the quality was not increasing, but your file size still was
[03:05:40] banyan: ah, you're not running fedora.
[03:05:57] kormoc: banyan, ahh, yeah, nope, I'm a gentoo guy and I run the kernels from kernel.org
[03:06:02] xris: it's up to you to figure out which bitrate you want to use.. if the highest value doesn't look good, there's not much you can do other than change to an all-digital signal
[03:06:30] Ediehow: well, i figured the higher the bitrate, the less compressed
[03:06:37] xris: Ediehow: that's correect
[03:06:37] Ediehow: so i was trying to find out how to get it to the best as far as that goes
[03:06:47] Ediehow: so how do i err, compress it least amount possible to where it's closest to original
[03:07:22] banyan: I was going to ask if that messes up your ability to use packages but gentoo is all kinda source code based isn't it.
[03:07:39] kormoc: banyan, aye
[03:07:53] kormoc: it has it's own source based package system
[03:08:01] banyan: emerge innit?
[03:08:07] kormoc: aye
[03:08:10] thylacine222: xris: So I guess my final question on the matter is how you would adjust this line: "RewriteRule ^(css|data|images|js|themes|skins|[a-z_]+.(php|pl))(/|$)  – [L]" to allow arguments.
[03:08:50] xris: it shouldn't need to be adjusted
[03:09:03] banyan: pure silliness.
[03:09:05] xris: what that says if "if the URL starts with data/, then just process it and don't go any further"
[03:09:47] kormoc: banyan, heh, tends to break less often and in less strange ways then other distros imho :P
[03:10:38] banyan: I'm talking about the show I'm watching. Surreal life. Pure silliness.
[03:10:44] kormoc: ahh, heh
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[03:12:14] thylacine222: Ok, never mind my previous comment about streamer.php not working without arguments, now it is working without arguments.
[03:12:22] thylacine222: It still isn´t working with them
[03:13:02] banyan: it doesn't work if you argue with it?
[03:14:35] thylacine222: Eh, I´ll just try reinstalling mythweb.
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[03:50:35] Varanger: hi!
[03:52:31] Varanger: I am trying to install to a frontend-only Myth-box in Gentoo. The problem is that apparently it is installing the same whether I have the USE variable: frontendonly or not
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[03:58:13] xris: Varanger: our two main gentoo people seem to be out at the moment
[03:58:23] xris: you want Kormoc or Cardoe
[03:58:48] sphery: Varanger: you must install frontend and backend on Linux
[03:59:01] sphery: the frontend only configuration is not supported
[03:59:05] Varanger: xris: I hope you are not joking :(
[03:59:24] Varanger: sphery: I have another machine in which I installed both
[03:59:35] xris: Varanger: why would I be joking?
[03:59:42] sphery: So, Myth was changed to ignore Gentoo's frontendonly use flag
[03:59:58] sphery: So, install this machine exactly like the other.
[04:00:02] sphery: Just don't run the backend.
[04:01:00] Varanger: xris: I don't know... sorry if it bothered you
[04:01:24] xris: Varanger: cardoe maintains the gentoo ebuild. kormoc is sort of a dev who knows a lot about gentoo.
[04:02:03] sphery: Directly out of MythTV's configure:
[04:02:05] sphery: # disabled due to abuse in Gentoo ebuild
[04:02:05] sphery: # --disable-frontend) frontend="no"
[04:02:18] Varanger: xris: I'll be back later
[04:02:20] sphery: notice the comment
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[04:03:29] Varanger: sphery: There might be the same comment for backendonly, since it is the same for backendonly or frontendonly
[04:03:33] Varanger: hi kormoc
[04:03:40] kormoc: hihi
[04:03:44] sphery: Yes, there is.
[04:03:52] sphery: Sorry. Forgot you said, "frontend only"
[04:03:54] sphery: # disabled due to abuse in Gentoo ebuild
[04:03:54] sphery: # --disable-backend) backend="no"
[04:04:37] Varanger: kormoc: Is it true that Myth was changed to ignore Gentoo's frontendonly use flag ?
[04:04:41] Varanger: :(
[04:04:50] hads: What's the big deal, just don't run it.
[04:04:54] ** xris wonders why Varanger doesn't trust sphery **
[04:04:56] sphery: Both were removed because many people installed one and not the other (mainly Gentoo users since FC and Ubuntu and ... users typically get compiled versions that were built by a packager who knows what he's doing)
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[04:05:11] ** sphery wonders why Varanger doesn't trust the MythTV configure script **
[04:05:32] sphery: right on, hads
[04:05:47] kormoc: Varanger, aye, tis what it says
[04:06:03] hads: It's not like it eating up massive amounts of space being there.
[04:06:03] ** Varanger wonders why xris told him that all Myth & Gentoo were out .... ;) **
[04:06:23] xris: Varanger: I said no such thing
[04:06:32] tha_toadman: would someone in here be willing to lend a hand with a compiling problem (for LIRC?)
[04:06:45] xris: "two main gentoo people" is not the same as "all gentoo people"
[04:07:07] Varanger: xris: Sorry I misunderstood
[04:07:12] Varanger: ... you
[04:07:51] sphery: tha_toadman: if you're using a recent kernel (i.e. 2.6.19 or above), you'll need LIRC CVS
[04:08:04] tha_toadman: i'm running 2.6.17
[04:08:11] tha_toadman: configure: error: *** you need to have the Linux kernel source installed for this driver
[04:08:24] tha_toadman: that's when i run ./configure for LIRC
[04:08:29] hads: aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[04:08:40] tha_toadman: headers! ahh – that i didn't install
[04:10:10] tank-man: sphery, stable lirc from the web site works with 2.6.20.4 kernel
[04:10:21] tha_toadman: i did snag 'source' but not 'headers' – thanks hads, i'll give that a shot
[04:11:21] Varanger: I also have a problem with my USB tuner (Hauppauge PVRUSB2) that works great. The only problem is that I connect it after the machine is turned on, the backend won't see it and I would have to restart the service. Is there any command to make the backend recognize the device without restarting it ???
[04:14:49] sphery: tank-man: perhaps if you're using a LIRC device that does not require kernel modules...
[04:15:16] tank-man: using pvr250, and it does need kernel headers
[04:15:46] difeta: latley, all my recordings have an incorrect duration displayed. While playing, 30 minute programs say they have 10 hour durations. Any ideas?
[04:16:23] sphery: tank-man: OK, well I know for a fact that those that use USB won't work without CVS.
[04:16:26] tank-man: difeta, mysql problem
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[04:16:52] sphery: yep, broken seek table
[04:17:00] sphery: run optimize_mythdb.pl
[04:17:21] sphery: Then, you'll need to run "mythcommflag --rebuild" on every file with a broken seektable
[04:17:57] difeta: sphery, where is the optimize_mythdb.pl located?
[04:18:09] sphery: in mythtv's contrib directory
[04:18:13] difeta: k
[04:18:21] sphery: If you're using a distro, they probably installed it.
[04:18:31] sphery: use "locate optimize_mythdb.pl" to find it.
[04:18:40] sphery: What distro?
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[04:20:48] difeta: sphery, ubuntu edgy. Its ok, I just ran the optimize prog and I'm running mythcommflag --rebuild now
[04:21:02] difeta: I have mythcommflag set to run right afterward too
[04:21:19] sphery: You do realize that you have to run mythcommflag --rebuild individuall on every affected recording, right?
[04:21:54] xris: sphery: or --force --all  ;)
[04:21:57] xris: but it'll take forever
[04:22:04] difeta: sphery, its running for every file. It just so happens the every file has the problem.
[04:22:06] sphery: but --all doesn't work with --rebuild
[04:22:06] xris: oh, wait, I may be confusing with mythcommflag
[04:22:13] xris: oh
[04:22:20] sphery: --all only works with mythcommflag's commercial flagging...
[04:22:21] sphery: :)
[04:22:24] xris: could have sworn it did
[04:22:26] xris: oh well
[04:22:35] ** xris needs some alcohol so he can think straight **
[04:27:14] sphery: xris: You had me second guessing myself... I had to look it up again.
[04:27:30] sphery: Straight from Chris: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/244705#244705
[04:28:53] sphery: difeta: Based on the post to which I just linked, it's only doing the commercial flagging for every file. It's not doing the rebuild for those files...
[04:29:27] sphery: (Oh, and that post is by the guy who wrote mythcommflag.)
[04:37:28] PointyPumper: uhm
[04:37:38] PointyPumper: anybody has experience with mythtvplayer?
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[04:38:02] xris: what is it?
[04:38:59] PointyPumper: a windows "front end" for mythtv
[04:39:11] PointyPumper: (wants to be... its far from bein xD)
[04:39:29] PointyPumper: i'm not able to play any recording :/
[04:39:29] sphery: You having socket issues?
[04:39:33] PointyPumper: no
[04:39:38] PointyPumper: codec issue :/
[04:39:41] PointyPumper: i think
[04:39:59] PointyPumper: when i try to play something it says "coulnd find proper video codec for 'none'"
[04:40:16] PointyPumper: it does not give me much to work with xD
[04:40:18] sphery: All I know about it is that someone reported a bug in MythTV that was actually a bug in mythtvplayer
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[04:40:40] sphery: Doesn't sound like you're seeing the same issue, though.
[04:40:46] PointyPumper: no :/
[04:41:28] sphery: What capture card are you using?
[04:41:35] PointyPumper: bt878
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[04:42:03] sphery: That's not a high-def one, is it?
[04:42:19] PointyPumper: no
[04:42:28] PointyPumper: we dont have hd in argentina xD
[04:42:30] sphery: OK, so you're getting NuppelVideo files. Did you install the NUV CODEC?
[04:42:51] PointyPumper: i got dsmyth isntaled, it should hav ethe codec :/
[04:42:52] ** sphery tries to remember the name of the Windows program.... **
[04:42:57] sphery: That's it.
[04:42:57] PointyPumper: but i'm going to check it out xD
[04:43:03] PointyPumper: :/
[04:43:14] PointyPumper: its a death project :(
[04:43:47] sphery: That's the sum-total of my knowledge about Myth-stuff with Windows, so I won't be able to help you.
[04:43:52] sphery: good luck
[04:44:45] PointyPumper: :(
[04:44:47] PointyPumper: thx anyway
[04:48:36] hads: There's another one.
[04:49:34] hads: http://www.sudu.dk/mythtvplayer/ I think, never used any myself though
[04:49:48] hads: Oh, you already mentioned that one :)
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[05:11:41] grOogle: Anybody knowledgeable about XvMC?
[05:13:28] grOogle: I've compiled myth for XvMC, configured according to the instructions, but when I try to view something with it I get X errors: BadAccess and BadShmSeg.
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[05:26:13] sphery: grOogle: I'm guessing you're the one who just posted to the -users list...
[05:26:31] sphery: If so, this is bad: Falling back to X11 video output over a network socket.
[05:26:42] sphery: Did you use "ssh -X" or something?
[05:27:00] sphery: If so, the private resource errors are because you should use "ssh -Y"
[05:27:10] sphery: And the XvMC not working is because you're going across the network.
[05:27:31] sphery: If you didn't do that, your DISPLAY environment variable is probably set incorrectly.
[05:29:11] sphery: If it's the display, try: export DISPLAY=:0
[05:29:16] sphery: then start mythfrontend
[05:45:40] t0ny-p40: Why is it that when Futurama shows a tv there is green lines randomly round that tv?
[05:53:16] milan: hey i have a problem again, i can't get my backend running
[05:54:25] milan: when i do sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start , it says it's already running, and when i do restart i get authentication error and it's still not running when i type ps aux | grep mythbackend
[05:54:51] milan: and mythfrontend can't connect to the backend because it's not running :(
[05:56:20] milan: ow maybe i found out myself... :P
[05:56:22] milan: sorry
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[06:36:25] simcop2387: stupid question, anyone make a hdtv tuner card that has component in?
[06:37:40] simcop2387: yet that is
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[06:56:57] xris: there are some pro-grade ones that do, but why would you want an analog input for HD?
[06:57:10] xris: and by pro-grade, I mean REALLY expensive.
[06:57:21] xris: takes one heck of a processor to encode HD in realtime
[07:05:52] simcop2387: well analog hd simply because of my parents direct tv box that doesn't have firewire output, but mostly for fun at looking at how to do it, looks like it can be done (no idea on linux support) for about 2.5k now actually, [not counting processor cost]
[07:06:02] simcop2387: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/ho . . . oto_itemInfo
[07:06:13] simcop2387: its a fun google project while waiting on laundry :)
[07:06:28] simcop2387: combined with this http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/ho . . . 4&is=REG
[07:07:06] simcop2387: oh wait crap, that first one can do it directly didn't notice
[07:07:15] simcop2387: well thats only 1.7k
[07:08:03] simcop2387: hehe one of the requirements is a 10k rpm hard drive
[07:09:20] simcop2387: makes me wish i had money
[07:10:09] grOogle: sphery: Sorry, just saw your comments.
[07:10:20] grOogle: sphery: There's no network involved here.
[07:10:58] xris: simcop2387: it'd be cheaper to just get cable and use firewire.
[07:11:04] xris: or a c-band dish setup.
[07:11:06] grOogle: sphery: I'm assuming that X can't find a UNIX domain socket.
[07:11:09] simcop2387: but less fun to setup!
[07:13:13] simcop2387: except the dish one maybe
[07:15:47] xris: simcop2387: dunno. "install expensive nonstandard video encoder card" vs "use cheap firewire connection from cable box"...
[07:21:11] gizm0: Hi, i'm having problem with my mythvideo. It does not display video previews. My konqueror displays video previews perfectly.
[07:21:35] gizm0: i mean nautilus
[07:23:23] gizm0: Mythvideo displayes displays just plain box and name of the file
[07:27:54] simcop2387: xris: i didn't say which was better (firewire) but messing with all kinds of expensive equitment for fun is fun :)
[07:28:13] xris: simcop2387: only when you don't have to pay for it.
[07:28:39] xris: gizm0: I've never heard of mythvideo playing previews
[07:28:43] xris: usually just shows the cover art
[07:28:52] gizm0: oh i ment cover art
[07:29:09] gizm0: so that it would display first frame of the video
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[07:30:08] simcop2387: xris: or you have enough money that its pocket change, but yea :)
[07:30:21] xris: you wouldn't want the first frame (it's usually black), but again, never heard of that.
[07:30:46] xris: simcop2387: maybe. better things to spend your money on if you're doing that, though.. like bigger TVs, faster cpus, etc.
[07:32:09] xris: ...shiny new mythbox...
[07:32:12] gizm0: xris: well in nautilus u can see picture of the video. It could be random frame of the video.
[07:32:30] xris: gizm0: yeah. like I said, I've never heard of mythvideo doing that. Would be a cool feature, though
[07:32:35] gizm0: :/
[07:33:04] gizm0: damn...one thing that micro$aft made better in their product :D
[07:34:22] xris: gizm0: except with ms, you can't code it yourself and submit a patch.  :)
[07:34:35] gizm0: true
[07:35:05] gizm0: i think i have one solution for this. Make script that captures random frame from video and places it to cover art directory :D
[07:35:34] gizm0: Just like in this post: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4850&start=0
[07:36:30] xris: yup. definitely easy to do
[07:36:42] xris: I did that with tv show logo for exported tv shows
[07:37:07] gizm0: cool...i just need to learn some scirpting :)
[07:37:34] gizm0: xris: could you give me the code that you used for that?
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[07:39:13] xris: UPDATE videometadata SET coverfile="some/path" WHERE title like "%some show%";
[07:39:17] xris: sorry, no script
[07:40:20] gizm0: oh k
[07:43:04] xris: wouldn't be hard to do, though
[07:45:34] gizm0: true
[07:51:55] gizm0: How do i add patches to mythmusic, such as "shoutcast.patch"?
[07:53:10] hads: It depends on the patch. They are usually for trun
[07:53:13] hads: k
[07:54:14] hads: And if they are a svn diff then you should be able to do a `patch -p0 < file.patch` in the svn root
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[07:55:55] gizm0: i'm trying this one http://www.eskil.org/mythtv/patches/shoutcast-13114.patch
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[08:41:43] Chai_Sangeen: hi everyone
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[08:54:03] Chai_Sangeen: quick question why does my nfs share take around 2 mins to mount this is the switch i use in the fstab "nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr"
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[09:07:38] Chai_Sangeen: can anyone help i changes the font size in myth frontend and i can't change it back the folder and setting font are really small....
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[09:12:20] otwin: Chai_Sangeen: try 'mythfrontend --reset'
[09:25:53] Chai_Sangeen: otwin, okay.... thank u soo much
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[09:52:40] slaine_: [OT] Any irxevent people around ? I'm making a customised linux Set Top Box (not MythTV related) and want to use irxevent to control my applications. But I'm having trouble making it work consistently.
[10:00:22] orko_: i have a dvd with some avi files of a series. how can i watch this dvd with mythtv without copying the content to the harddrive?
[10:01:12] slaine_: Hmm, just noticed that irw also stops reporting back any keys once irxevent stops working, so perhaps it's lircd that's going gaga
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[10:02:23] Ruleke: ello folksies
[10:02:53] hads: orko_: Try symlinking the dvd mount point into mythvideo and then rescanning with the video manager
[10:05:35] slaine_: orko_, I asked something similar before and from what I understand, you can't at the moment
[10:06:21] orko_: ,-( Would be a nice feature. Every DVD player has this. i was very suprised that it is not possible.
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[10:07:19] orko_: Also there seems to be no way to transfer pictures or videos from a usb stick or dvd to mythtv in an easy way.
[10:07:39] orko_: i had to copy it by myself to the harddrive ot use it.
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[10:14:19] Ruleke: woot
[10:14:55] Ruleke: janneg : my svb scanning issues are solved, cable company reorganized the line-up. Now there are just some strange things I can correct manually :)
[10:16:19] orko_: i have a question about the transcoding profiles. if i choose transcoding without loss (dont know the exact naming) i can not select which codec is used.
[10:16:50] orko_: does that mean the same codec of the source files is used and the file is cutted around commercials?
[10:17:32] orko_: and if i select transcoding in the "view recordings" screen there is a "standard" option. which transcoding does that use. there is no standard transcoding profile.
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[10:51:21] dustybin: there is channel guide data missing from:
[10:51:24] dustybin: http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/channels.dat
[10:52:14] dustybin: the whole server looks empty!
[10:52:17] dustybin: http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/
[10:52:19] slaine_: bod
[10:52:21] slaine_: nod even
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[10:55:57] janneg: Ruleke: cool
[10:56:57] inthevally: my zap2it subscription is ending soon, but the e-mail address that is linked to it no longer exists. I can't find where to log in and update that, and extend my subscription
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[11:22:58] juski: dum de dumm
[11:23:19] juski: building minimyth on umbongo today :)
[11:26:59] dustybin: oh dear..
[11:27:04] dustybin: Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2007-03–28 12:25 and ended on 2007-03–28 12:26. FAILED: xmltv returned error code 2304.
[11:34:09] slaine_: dustybin, that servers looking pretty hosed
[11:34:45] juski: radiotimes.com? it's never down for very long
[11:36:09] juski: anyway – you DO know that they never allow a dir listing of the root don't you? ;)
[11:38:57] slaine_: indeed, but channels.dat isn't coming down
[11:39:53] juski: go back to it tomorrow – it'll be back up
[11:40:25] slaine_: nod
[11:41:01] dustybin: nod
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[11:42:50] juski: ahhh shit!
[11:43:02] juski: just closed the terminal I was running make garchive in :(
[11:43:42] hads: It'll pick up where it left off.
[11:44:48] juski: oh ffs.. what's hogging all my cpu?!
[11:45:29] hads: Use top
[11:45:50] juski: heheh I know that :)
[11:46:22] hads: :)
[11:47:03] hads: Myth doesn't support apiconfig from xmltv by the looks? I won't bother implementing at the moment.
[11:47:05] juski: just that logging into another ssh is taking ages
[11:47:45] hads: You are using screen aren't you?
[11:48:07] hads: Then you can close terminals all you like :)
[11:48:31] juski: ugh this is pissed
[11:50:44] juski: aha! sorted :)
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[11:52:18] juski: time to go screeny
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[12:00:53] gbee: hads: apiconfig isn't supported yet, but I plan on it – it's not supported by many grabbers yet so I'm not in a hurry, there are more important things to do
[12:01:36] juski: hrm
[12:01:54] gbee: if someone else wants to do it, then they are welcome – http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1777
[12:01:59] juski: stupid user.. keyboard commands aren't worky :(
[12:02:12] hads: gbee: Cool. Cheers. I'm happy to implement it when it's supported. That and the whole XMLTV configfile seems to be a bit of an unknown presently.
[12:04:13] hads: This is an external-to-xmltv grabber anyway. Nice work on the tv_find_grabbers work.
[12:04:26] juski: grr have ubunut mangled the screen keybindings?!
[12:04:41] juski: bucking fastards
[12:05:34] hads: No.
[12:06:07] gbee: it's an area I'd like to improve, I'd like there to be more consistency from the xmltv end on the config side – e.g. the using the xmltvid as the identifier in the 'list of channels to grab'
[12:06:36] hads: juski: You can't actually blame everything on Ubuntu :)
[12:06:45] juski: I liked the way the radiotimes config thing used to work
[12:07:12] juski: hads: I was RTFMing & trying various keyboard commands – and screen is having none of it
[12:07:22] gbee: uk_rt for example uses the xmltv in the config file, whereas some others uses the internal channel identifier
[12:09:38] hads: gbee: Is there a standard for the config at all? The xmltv wiki mentions is but there aren't pages discussing it that I can find.
[12:10:21] juski: what I know of uk_rt I learnt by trial & error, so put it in the wiki
[12:10:43] hads: I've just used an ini format at the moment since I couldn't find anything.
[12:11:00] gbee: I couldn't find any documentation for the format of the config – I'm assuming that they all copy each other for the general format but there are no strict standards
[12:11:26] juski: bah – definitely blaming UBUNUT for this 'screen' mess
[12:11:41] juski: next & prev window buttons work but no others it seems
[12:11:53] gbee: tends to be in the format "settingname<space>value "
[12:12:09] hads: juski: Hah. Works For Me.
[12:12:38] juski: hads: should I have spawned a new window in screen, then start irssi?
[12:13:54] gbee: actually no, that's not even true – swedb uses "setting=value" except for channels which are "channel!xmltvid"
[12:13:57] gbee: so, nice and consistent
[12:14:28] hads: gbee: Interesting. The wiki mentions XmltvConfigurationFile but it's just a mention. I did see a couple of pages in google mentioning a format similar to what you just mentioned. I'll wait until some sort of format appears I guess.
[12:15:24] gbee: might try and push the xmltv devs towards a common format – don't think it will happen otherwise
[12:16:04] hads: I'm using this at the moment; http://pastebin.ca/413411
[12:16:06] gbee: apiconfig can't really work without a standard format though – the application (mythtv) is expected to save the settings to the config and it can't do that if it doesn't know what is expected
[12:16:34] hads: Exactly. That's why I was confused.
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[12:17:18] hads: juski: What are you trying to do? You should be able to just start screen and then start irssi
[12:17:32] gbee: I think, in the long run, xml might be appropriate – it's already used for everything else by xmltv
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[12:18:31] hads: gbee: Yes, that does seem to make sense. I hadn't used the python ConfigParser before so I was playing.
[12:18:54] hads: Since I figured I'd reimplement anyway.
[12:22:59] hads: Well, sleeping time here now. I'll keep an eye on that ticket. Cheers gbee.
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[12:53:01] jduggan: Mainly directed to brits.. out of interest, what're you guys paying for electricity over a 3month period?
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[13:15:16] Thylazine: Hello
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[14:11:22] thylacine222: OK, thylazine, is it just a complete coincidence or are you trying to take some of my trademark awesomeness?
[14:13:07] Thylazine: thylacine222 actually, I mispelled it, I had meant to use Thylacine instead
[14:13:53] thylacine222: Lol
[14:13:59] thylacine222: This is strange.
[14:14:26] Thylazine is now known as Holocene
[14:14:33] thylacine222: That works
[14:18:14] milan: hey i have a problem mythtv frontend crashes sometimes in livetv (freeze), and then it won't start livetv anymore... then the screen turns black, and goes to the main menu again
[14:18:39] milan: probably it won't start again because the previous livetv channel is still being recorded
[14:20:40] thylacine222: It would probably say that the input was in use if that was the problem.
[14:20:56] thylacine222: Run mythfrontend in a console and pastebin the output
[14:20:59] Dagmar: I found a bug. :)
[14:21:10] thylacine222: Ooh
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[14:21:23] Dagmar: FOr a change, one that doesn't crash everything, too.
[14:22:20] Dagmar: If you've renamed your transcoder profiles, when you're watching a recording and you tell it to start transcoding. it still shows "High Quality", "Medium QUality" and "Low Quality" for the transcoders
[14:22:35] Dagmar: I'm pulling SVN head now to see if it's been fixed yte
[14:22:59] thylacine222: I´m sure you did, but did you check the ones you changed to make sure they´ve been saved
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[14:23:20] Dagmar: To make sure they've been saved?
[14:23:20] Ruleke: moo
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[14:23:45] HeppyCat: mornin
[14:23:49] Ruleke: woot my cable company started broadcasting in h.264 1080i yesterday
[14:23:51] Dagmar: It would be kind of hard to *miss it* if the name changes hadn't been saved, since when you change the name of one, you go back out to the menu that lists them all.
[14:24:04] Ruleke: now to build a linux system that can play it back in myth :-/
[14:24:05] Dagmar: Ruleke: Fun!
[14:24:14] HeppyCat: Ruleke: is h.264 a compression codec?
[14:24:17] milan: thylacine222: do you know where i can find my backend log?
[14:24:22] Ruleke: yes
[14:24:38] HeppyCat: Ruleke: mpeg4-ish?
[14:24:50] thylacine222: /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[14:24:53] Ruleke: mpeg4 avc I think they call it
[14:24:55] milan: thylacine222: cause it hasn't crashed yet... It works again after rebooting computer.. but that's no solution
[14:25:07] Dagmar: I was under the impression that was handled by x264
[14:25:14] Ruleke: it is
[14:25:20] Ruleke: I mean power-wise :-/
[14:25:47] Ruleke: I doubt my epia frontend can do anything with it
[14:25:52] milan: ow the old log is gone :(
[14:25:56] Ruleke: I don't think it can even output the resolution ;)
[14:26:01] milan: then i have to wait until it crashes again :P
[14:26:08] Dagmar: I think you'd be right about that
[14:26:42] Ruleke: too bad, because I want a decent xvmc capable gpu
[14:26:58] Ruleke: openchrome looked good, now I'll wait for intel I guess
[14:27:00] Dagmar: So buy an nVidia card
[14:27:01] thylacine222: Just run mythfrontend in a terminal, and when it crashes, post the output
[14:27:10] Ruleke: I said decent...
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[14:27:21] Dagmar: nVIdia cards *are* decent
[14:27:27] Ruleke: nvidia won't do h.264 acceleration in linux
[14:27:29] thylacine222: Not for xvmc.
[14:27:29] Dagmar: THere's a reason probably 3/4 of the channel are using them.
[14:27:45] thylacine222: Some are, some aren´t.
[14:27:53] Dagmar: I don't think there's anything that does h264 accell with xvmc
[14:27:55] Ruleke: there's no advantage in using nvidia at all for the content I want to play
[14:28:14] Ruleke: well then why would I want binary nvidia drivers ?
[14:28:21] Ruleke: hence, not decent
[14:28:28] Dagmar: WHine whine whine
[14:28:34] Ruleke: hah
[14:28:55] Dagmar: Get over your obsession with wanting source code for something you're not actually going to be submitting patches for
[14:28:59] Ruleke: I don't
[14:29:09] Ruleke: I'd happily use binary drivers that do h264
[14:29:18] Ruleke: it's just a hassle
[14:29:23] fryfrog: do *any* drivers do h264?
[14:29:27] Ruleke: no
[14:29:27] Dagmar: None that I'm aware of
[14:29:30] fryfrog: ah
[14:29:49] Ruleke: so I might as well use an open driver
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[14:30:04] Ruleke: none of that recompiling glue interfaces etc
[14:30:27] Ruleke: besides, even if I won't patch it, I would like to be able to debug it
[14:31:48] Dagmar: Like you'd be able to tell what's going on inside their GPU
[14:32:06] Ruleke: I'd be able to tell if my kernel problem is related to it or not
[14:32:18] Dagmar: Hardware drivers aren't nearly as simple as people would like to think.  :/
[14:32:20] Ruleke: it's running in kernel space and we can't even trace it
[14:32:29] Ruleke: there's a reason for the taint flag
[14:32:36] Ruleke: and no not all political :P
[14:32:43] Dagmar: Yes, and it's political more than it is a userspace issue
[14:32:55] Ruleke: because it doesn't run in userspace
[14:33:09] Ruleke: it's bad enough X will go directly to the hw :P
[14:33:26] Dagmar: ...as in it's not something users generally would care about
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[14:33:39] Ruleke: maybe I'm not a general user then
[14:34:32] Ruleke: I don't mind that much though, if it would have the functionality I need ..
[14:34:55] Dagmar: Having the source isn't likely to change that
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[14:39:43] juski: hads: what I'm trying to do is open a new window so I can run a terminal in the same screen sesh as irssi
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[14:42:44] Dagmar: C-a, n?
[14:42:53] Dagmar: er, C-a c
[14:43:02] juski: wth is C-a?
[14:43:11] opello: ctrl-a, c
[14:43:13] Dagmar: ^A, or CTRL-A.
[14:43:27] Dagmar: They use that notation in the docs, nudge nudge
[14:43:29] opello: not shifted a though :)
[14:43:37] juski: aha!
[14:43:40] juski: bongo
[14:43:54] juski: cheers
[14:44:10] opello: or it's whatever is your command key, then c, since you can reassign it
[14:44:18] juski: ooo
[14:44:46] opello: especially helpful if you screens in screens :)
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[14:46:27] Dagmar: I just hit C-a, a for that
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[14:49:45] fryfrog: juski: you know how to switch between them?
[14:49:57] ivor: rant rant rant.
[14:50:11] fryfrog: ctrl-a, space and ctrl-a ctrl-a are useful
[14:50:26] opello: C-a, C-a; or C-a ", or C-a # too
[14:50:28] fryfrog: ctrl-a, # will take you to a specific screen
[14:50:36] juski: fryfrog: yeah I got it ta
[14:51:57] fryfrog: what does " do?
[14:52:08] fryfrog: oh, neat
[14:52:25] fryfrog: I like the status bar thing "0$* irssi 1$ dumbledore 2-$ snape" is what i see at the bottom of mine
[14:52:38] Ruleke: ivor :)
[14:52:41] praet: C-a n (switch to next window p to go to previous)
[14:52:57] opello: hard status line?
[14:53:06] fryfrog: yeah
[14:53:15] opello: i've been meaning to set that up :/
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[14:55:10] fryfrog: it was easy
[14:56:28] fryfrog: hardstatus alwayslastline "%-Lw%{= CB}%{+c w}%50>%n%f* %t%{-}%+Lw%< %=%c %D %d/%m"
[14:56:32] fryfrog: in /etc/screenrc
[14:56:36] fryfrog: its a good one :)
[14:58:06] opello: heh
[14:58:25] fryfrog: found it on the itnerweb somewhere
[14:58:37] opello: fancy
[15:00:19] juski: yeah I've been using screen for a while, but just to stay logged into irc while I go off & do other stuff
[15:02:54] opello: fryfrog: very nice
[15:02:55] ivor: are there ctrl- commands to scroll back and forwards in irssi
[15:03:14] ivor: (i.e. other than pg-up pg-down)
[15:03:39] opello: oh? i've just used alt-p and /sb end
[15:04:05] ivor: aha! nice. that'll do the trick. (no page keys on my phone)
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[15:04:42] opello: oh!
[15:04:46] opello: i thought you were saying there were :)
[15:04:50] Salec: i'm switching from analog cable (comcast) to either digital cable or satellite
[15:04:57] Salec: i'm wondering what's needed to keep my mythbox up and running
[15:05:09] Dagmar: Patience.
[15:05:16] Dagmar: A regular supply of larger hard drives.
[15:05:19] opello: fryfrog: does it indicate bells too?
[15:05:26] Dagmar: Technical skill.
[15:05:40] opello: and a blood sacrifice?
[15:05:55] Dagmar: That depends on what kind of ATI card you bought.
[15:06:37] Salec: anyone have a website that discusses good digital tv tuner cards?
[15:06:47] Dagmar: ...although I hear a small cat doesn't hurt to have around for installation on some of the EPIA boards with unichrome
[15:06:57] praet: Salec: you'll probably need to control the set top box with myth scripts
[15:07:43] Ruleke: Dagmar: no doubt. use openchrome ;)
[15:08:14] Dagmar: Then what am I supposed to do with these cats I just ordered with the new board?
[15:08:23] fryfrog: opello: yeah, pretty sure it does. i haven't paid really close attention to when a bell happens
[15:09:28] fryfrog: Salec: there are no digital tv tuner cards that work in linux, and very few for windows
[15:10:04] Salec: how can I find one that has that sort of support?
[15:10:17] Salec: I thought the cable boxes were handed out by the tv service and typically suck
[15:10:20] Ruleke: fryfrog: huh ??
[15:10:35] Ruleke: fryfrog: no digital tv tuner cards that work in linux ?
[15:10:52] fryfrog: erm, sorry digital cable
[15:10:59] fryfrog: i should have been more specific, sorry
[15:11:04] Ruleke: there are enough :)
[15:11:07] Ruleke: for me anyways
[15:11:17] fryfrog: actually, i said that totally wrong :)
[15:11:23] Ruleke: not sure what non-standard they use in the US maybe...
[15:11:31] Salec: is there any PC Cable card adapters yet?
[15:11:34] fryfrog: i use a pair of QAM HDTV tuner cards to get 6 HD digital channels over cable
[15:11:54] fryfrog: Salec: yes and no, yes they are for windows and come with OEM boxes only
[15:11:54] Ruleke: I use dvb-c too, works great
[15:12:09] Salec: damn..
[15:12:10] fryfrog: ah, but not in the US?
[15:12:15] fryfrog: i assumed salec was US
[15:12:15] Ruleke: no
[15:12:21] Salec: yea
[15:12:29] fryfrog: encrption, fts :(
[15:12:36] Ruleke: yeah, what's cable card ? I've never figured it out.
[15:12:43] Ruleke: I just supposed it was a type of CAM
[15:12:50] fryfrog: I have a pair of HD tuners with firewire out, seems to be the best solution if you want as many channels as possible
[15:12:50] Dagmar: It is just a type of CAM
[15:12:54] fryfrog: yeah, its just a decrypter card
[15:13:01] Ruleke: it's encrypted here too, works fine with a cam
[15:13:29] Ruleke: what's the issue with cablecard+linux ?
[15:13:42] Ruleke: if it's just a cam, any dvb card with a CI should work, right ?
[15:13:54] Ruleke: well any that is not somehow crippled
[15:14:41] fryfrog: it isn't just a CAM, afaik
[15:14:55] fryfrog: its some industry standard thing, but not... other inudstries, just cable
[15:15:24] fryfrog: they are very strict with who can do what with it :(
[15:15:33] Ruleke: hmm
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[15:15:47] fryfrog: so all the "cable card" pci cards (and they do HD, digital, all the cable channels) are for OEM windows systems
[15:15:52] fryfrog: ie, uhhh
[15:15:52] fryfrog: MCE?
[15:15:58] fryfrog: Vista, what ever
[15:16:04] Ruleke: strange
[15:16:22] fryfrog: monopolyistic?
[15:16:57] fryfrog: make sense?
[15:17:01] Ruleke: yes
[15:17:05] Ruleke: that was my question
[15:17:07] fryfrog: actually, i think they look like pcmcia cards
[15:17:24] Ruleke: that's what all CAMs look like :)
[15:17:38] fryfrog: Salec: as long as it *has* firewire output, the "quality" of the cable co's STB doesn't really matter
[15:17:54] fryfrog: I use a pair of Comcasts super-shitty DVRs for their firewire out
[15:18:00] fryfrog: (don't use the DVR part)
[15:18:04] Salec: oo
[15:18:11] Salec: does the non DVR box have firewire?
[15:18:21] fryfrog: i believe so
[15:18:23] Salec: woot
[15:18:38] fryfrog: in fact, i had *one* dvr with firewire and called to trade it in for 2x HD tuners w/ firewire
[15:18:50] fryfrog: the installer came out, took my DVR box... and brought in 2 new ones
[15:18:56] fryfrog: i was like "wtf, bbq???"
[15:19:10] Ruleke: lol
[15:19:10] fryfrog: they didn't have any HD tuners when he came out, so i got DVRs for the price of tuners
[15:21:54] Salec: lol
[15:22:03] Salec: you have to rent each box don't ya
[15:23:51] fryfrog: yeah :(
[15:24:00] fryfrog: like $10/mo or $15/mo i think
[15:24:15] fryfrog: its either that or only get like 5 digital channels and 60 analog
[15:24:23] Salec: gei
[15:24:28] Salec: stupid comcast...
[15:24:29] fryfrog: with firewire, (in my case) i get *every* channel i pay for
[15:24:31] Salec: i hate that evil empire
[15:24:31] fryfrog: i concur
[15:24:39] fryfrog: some day, when i am super rich
[15:24:51] fryfrog: i'd like to build a myth system with like one cable box, one satalite box and some HD OTA :)
[15:25:00] Salec: lol
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[15:25:53] Salec: do the stalite boxes have firewire?
[15:26:13] Ruleke: I would pick a dvb-s/s2 card instead tbh
[15:26:54] seth|away: fryfrog: when I move in June, I will have 4 dish network recievers and 3 HD tuner (OTA) cards hooked up. And I will need 1TB more of storage.
[15:27:00] fryfrog: firewire on cable boxes is a *legal* requirement
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[15:27:13] fryfrog: i don't think that is true of sat boxes
[15:27:30] fryfrog: though i've read you can hack *a very limited number* of sat boxes to have firewire
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[15:27:39] fryfrog: don't tknow anything about it though
[15:27:40] fryfrog: seth|work: damn, nice!
[15:27:58] juski: firewire on cable boxes is a *legal* requirement ... in the USA & nowhere else
[15:28:09] fryfrog: yeah, sorry in teh USA
[15:28:12] fryfrog: and he is in teh usa
[15:28:28] seth|work: juski: installed the last 2 of my case badges over the weekend :-)
[15:28:44] juski: hmm I wonder whatever happened to me doing more of them..
[15:29:37] jams: egads, after all the work the DST switch still came back to haunt me.
[15:34:32] ivor: oops
[15:34:47] Ruleke: you deleted the wrong file didn't you ?
[15:37:12] Ruleke: bah wrong window
[15:39:57] juski: pooey! stuff minimyth's build system is trying to download isn't playing ball :(
[15:41:21] jduggan: juski: out of interest, wots ur general 3month elec bill?
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[15:43:51] visi: juski, if you have any kind of HD box and HD subscription it has to have firewire and be open
[15:45:04] Salec: that's interesting
[15:45:45] Salec: can the firewire connection control the box?
[15:46:05] juski: jduggan: er.. about 80 squids or so IIRC
[15:46:27] juski: visi: nope. $ky get away with having firewire crippled on their HD boxes
[15:46:48] juski: the FCC doesn't carry any clout in the UK :-P
[15:47:35] visi: we can outsource them to you
[15:47:47] juski: hahaha like we'd have em
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[15:53:43] ** juski curses sourceforge **
[15:53:51] juski: they should spend some of their profits on more hardware
[15:58:08] Salec: hahahahahahahaha
[15:58:14] Salec: spending profits to help the consumers?!
[15:58:19] Salec: oh...oh you're funny
[15:58:45] juski: well then the OSS community should repay them in kind by hosting their stuff elsewhere
[15:58:51] Ruleke: they do
[15:59:12] Ruleke: quite a lot of high profile projects moved off
[16:01:33] juski: it's always gonna be the big dichotomy though isn't it? who pays for all the OSS hosting? ;)
[16:02:40] Ruleke: hosting is cheap these days tbh :)
[16:03:11] juski: well *somebody* has to pay for it
[16:03:18] Dagmar: YAY for kernel advancement. :/
[16:03:25] Dagmar: DOn't let it "autoselect" helper chips
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[16:03:57] Dagmar: 2.6.20.4 will just decide you don't really need the cx25840 or wm8775 modules.
[16:04:11] Ruleke: Dagmar: well you don't :)
[16:04:27] Dagmar: You do if you're using my card with ivtv
[16:04:36] Ruleke: yeah but that's being merged
[16:04:48] Ruleke: I blame you for not merging it manually ;)
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[16:04:58] Dagmar: So where do I go to get the version of wget with future_timestamp support?
[16:05:07] Ruleke: use git ;)
[16:05:41] Ruleke: actually you can use -mm
[16:05:42] Dagmar: It doesn't have future_timestamp support
[16:06:26] Ruleke: It'll be quite the accomplishment for Hans when it finally gets merged :)
[16:06:59] tank-man: future timestamp? what is that used for? sounds like for spamming
[16:07:05] tank-man: :)
[16:07:26] Dagmar: It's for downloading code from webservers where mtime is > epochtime
[16:07:29] Ruleke: it's used with all the DST madness ;)
[16:07:44] Dagmar: I'm hoping to get it working soon for my E-Trade scraper
[16:07:49] Dagmar: It's a little buggy still.
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[16:13:40] akifdino: Ruleke: do you still have your technotrend cards?
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[16:14:19] ASiDiE: anyone know if the current eit code in mythtv grabs BEV too?
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[16:14:28] Ruleke: akifdino: yep
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[16:14:34] akifdino: Ruleke: if so, do you have a channel which is on transponder 458mhz?
[16:14:37] ASiDiE: or any of the eit code
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[16:14:44] ASiDiE: grayfoxx?
[16:14:45] Ruleke: akifdino: let me check
[16:14:46] ASiDiE: :)
[16:14:57] akifdino: Ruleke: first of all, i need to say that the card works great, just one transponder maks me difficulties
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[16:15:44] Ruleke: akifdino: could just be a signal strength issue
[16:15:55] akifdino: Ruleke: it is comming from cabel, mhh
[16:16:09] Ruleke: akifdino: yep I have a transponder there
[16:16:18] akifdino: Ruleke: and it works for you?
[16:16:20] Ruleke: akifdino: I had to replace the cable from wall to card
[16:16:35] akifdino: Ruleke: how you mean from wall to card?
[16:17:24] Ruleke: from the cable connector in the wall to my dvb card
[16:17:34] Ruleke: I was using an old coax I used with an old tv
[16:17:39] Ruleke: it was terrible apparently
[16:18:03] Ruleke: I used one that came with a vcr or something and it's great now
[16:18:16] HeppyCat: those durn rf signals cant run over any old piece of copper
[16:18:22] HeppyCat: or something
[16:18:33] Ruleke: was ok for most transports, just one gave trouble
[16:18:35] Ruleke: wouldn't lock
[16:18:44] akifdino: Ruleke: now that you say, the cable provider send us a terminator which i never pluged in since it worked
[16:18:51] Ruleke: ah
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[16:20:32] Dagmar: Phew
[16:20:39] Dagmar: Upgraded the kernel, the nvidia driver, and lirc...
[16:20:53] Ruleke: :)
[16:20:55] Dagmar: Now time to sit around and wait for all the MythTV packages to finish baking
[16:21:02] Ruleke: and ivtv ?
[16:21:08] Dagmar: Yep
[16:21:15] Ruleke: nice
[16:21:35] Dagmar: I have *got* to finish up the new-kernel-bootstrap stuff so I can quit having to deal with most of that crap
[16:21:44] Ruleke: at least with those parts in the kernel they don't conflict anymore :)
[16:22:32] Dagmar: I ain't lookin forward to hearing all the complaints from grub users, but if they don't like it, they can patch grub
[16:23:48] Dagmar: It hands no hints to the system about what kernel was just booted, and that fails
[16:25:05] Ruleke: bbl
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[16:27:52] kiljaden: I'm considering a MythTV setup in my house, and I had a few questions for ya'll.
[16:28:22] kiljaden: First- is it feasible to use MythTV to backup my dvds? say on a raid5 array of several 500/750gb disks?
[16:28:30] juski: kiljaden: yup
[16:28:41] juski: the docs tell you what features mythtv has
[16:28:58] kiljaden: I was hoping to get the skinny from a user perspective.
[16:29:09] juski: oh right – so never mind the documentation
[16:29:38] kiljaden: just sayin, the documentation is usually different that common user experience
[16:30:04] kiljaden: just because it can be done dosen't mean I actually should do it :)
[16:30:39] juski: well, it's up to you whether or not you want to rip dvds – you might be risking death by firing squad if you get found out in your country – who knows? ;)
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[16:31:06] kiljaden: mostly, I'd be ripping dvds that I actually own- so that I can watch them in different rooms on command
[16:32:07] juski: spare us the details – nobody here wants to hear that *most* of the dvds you rip will be ones you own – after all it's not quite as clean as saying you'd _only_ rip dvds you own
[16:32:11] kiljaden: lol
[16:32:44] juski: anyway – with the right libraries installed, you can back up your dvds for your own personal use
[16:33:21] juski: linux on the xbox is SLOW and painful
[16:33:40] kiljaden: good to know
[16:33:43] juski: and it's noisy and ugly
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[16:33:59] Beirdo: slow? it's a Celeron 700 is it not?
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[16:34:17] juski: slow, as in linux with X in 32MB RAM is slow
[16:34:23] Beirdo: ohhh ;)
[16:34:25] Beirdo: gotcha
[16:34:27] Beirdo: swap hell
[16:34:42] kiljaden: What about a barebones with no harddrive, where it just boots the front end off of something like knoppix+mythtv on usb?
[16:34:43] juski: it's just about unbearable
[16:34:57] Zider: I ran linux with X on 32MB once..
[16:35:02] Hoochster: that's all according to if you can even SURVIVE the slowness of installing/compiling it heh
[16:35:02] juski: kiljaden: for a frontend? sure. you don't even need usb if you netboot
[16:35:03] Zider: worked fine
[16:35:17] juski: Zider: and mythtv?
[16:35:23] kiljaden: so I could netboot and get everything from the server? that sounds sweet
[16:35:23] Beirdo: I ran it in 4MB before, but it did swap a lot... no myth though :)
[16:35:25] Zider: well, no ;)
[16:35:32] juski: I'm not saying it doesn't work fine, it's just dog slow
[16:35:42] Zider: it was before mythtv existed I think
[16:35:48] onewheelskyward: What version of X was that?
[16:35:50] Zider: was a laptop, P133.. :)
[16:35:57] juski: Zider: prolly before the kernel was even 1MB too
[16:36:03] onewheelskyward: Exactly.
[16:36:15] Zider: juski: it was the 2.4 era.. ;)
[16:36:48] Beirdo: 2.4? newbie :)
[16:36:49] Beirdo: hehe
[16:37:13] ** Beirdo is being a silly elitist twit **
[16:37:17] Beirdo: !trout
[16:37:17] ** MythLogBot dumps a bucket of trout onto Beirdo **
[16:37:59] kiljaden: Is an xbox capable of booting from network?
[16:38:05] juski: kiljaden: nope
[16:38:08] juski: no PXE BIOS
[16:38:08] Zider: Beirdo: yeah, I started late with linux, and PC.. had an Amiga instead :)
[16:38:16] kiljaden: ok
[16:38:22] Beirdo: ah, I guess yer forgiven then
[16:38:28] juski: you'd need a bootloader on a USB flash stick or something
[16:38:28] Beirdo: dammit
[16:39:00] Zider: I think redhat 4 was new when I started with linux..
[16:39:04] juski: but that isn't strictly net booting :)
[16:39:07] Zider: a friend of mine recommended it top me
[16:39:12] Beirdo: why did I go and draft Francisco Liriano?!
[16:39:25] Beirdo: eediot... he's out for the season, what a waste of a draft pick
[16:39:49] juski: I remember trying redhat 3.. almost put me off linux forever with its "OMG the screen has gone cuz I changed screen res" stuff
[16:40:30] Zider: I mostly remember being stuck in a shitty GUI because I didn't know anything else.. until I got slackware instead.. :P
[16:40:37] visi: haha
[16:40:42] kiljaden: so what would you recommend for ease of setup and maintenance – netboot frontend, or fully installed frontend on disk?
[16:40:42] juski: I didn't realise all I had to do was log into the emergency console & mount / & edit /etc/whatever
[16:40:54] juski: kiljaden: ease of maintenance?
[16:40:59] visi: I killed mandrake and redhat until I found slack and haven't looked back since
[16:41:08] juski: only maintenance mythtv needs is backing up the database & your config files
[16:41:14] Zider: visi: I moved from slack to gentoo :)
[16:41:28] visi: yeah I have a gentoo box for my 64bit :D
[16:41:56] juski: as far as ease of setup goes – prolly knoppmyth, but what you gain in ease of setup you lose in stuff you can easily control yourself
[16:41:57] Zider: I have gentoo everywhere.. except the gp2x, which has its own linux distro thingie
[16:42:32] kiljaden: I'd be using gentoo on the backend, but I don't know what sort of netboot options there are for gentoo+mythtv
[16:42:53] juski: kiljaden: you need a tftp server & a dhcp server to allow machines to netboot. that's all
[16:43:14] kiljaden: ok, that's pretty easy to setup
[16:43:24] Beirdo: and nfs server if you plan on doing diskless
[16:43:44] juski: you need nfs to share your videos, music & piccies anyway
[16:43:51] Beirdo: heh, true
[16:43:56] kiljaden: ok
[16:44:35] ** juski wonders how much a basic cyclorama would cost to DIY at home **
[16:44:58] juski: I keep having naughty thoughts about making tutorial vids
[16:45:20] juski: and a 'mythtv news' video poocast
[16:45:23] onewheelskyward: You keep having thoughts about creating naughty tutorials?
[16:45:58] kiljaden: Back on the DVD front, is it really practical to backup my DVDs with MythTV (disk space, etc), or would I be better off just dropping the disk in whenever I feel like watching it?
[16:46:22] juski: kiljaden: depends how often you think you'll want to watch The Sound Of Music for the 57th time
[16:46:29] GreyFoxx: kiljaden: That is strictily a personal decision
[16:46:58] juski: when I have kids, all the shiny media will be going in the attic
[16:46:58] GreyFoxx: I rip all of my DVD's to xvids and sit them on my file server so I can play anyone at anytime from any mythbox
[16:47:03] visi: If you have a huge collection, sorting through the DVDs would take longer than pressing a few buttons...
[16:47:06] GreyFoxx: and for me it's worth it
[16:47:07] kiljaden: mabye not me, but probably my wife (who would also have a say in dropping lots of cash into this project :D )
[16:47:11] ASiDiE: greyfoxx... do you know of the eit code works for BEV?
[16:47:26] GreyFoxx: Especially with a kid who always wants to want her movies it's handy
[16:47:48] juski: xvid doesn't wear out, and it can't get covered in jam
[16:47:48] GreyFoxx: ASiDiE: No idea, I haven't had a dish for a long time
[16:48:04] BaZiL: could some please help me with a little issue .. streamtv .. where does it get the info on where to stream ? .. its now streaming to my old ipnr .. where do i set the new ipnr ?
[16:48:07] ASiDiE: k.. thanks...
[16:48:13] GreyFoxx: ASiDiE: I don't see why it wouldn't, but I can't speak from recent experience
[16:48:44] juski: BaZiL: it doesn't push
[16:48:49] kiljaden: Thanks for the input everyone. I've got a few more ideas now... lets see how it turns out :)
[16:50:03] GreyFoxx: kiljaden: over time I've ripped almost all of mine, and I find it very useful. I can't imagine having to actually go get the disk except to see any of the deleted scenes
[16:50:21] juski: hang on... streamtv as in 'streamtv' or as in 'mythstreamtv' ?
[16:51:14] praet: BaZiL: also, do you mean from mythWeb?
[16:51:38] juski: bah I'm past caring anyway. time for hometime
[16:55:21] BaZiL: ya
[16:55:29] BaZiL: from mythweb .. i now have a streamtag
[16:55:35] BaZiL: but i cant stear it
[16:57:19] akifdino: i've downloaded with xmltvs tv_grab_de_prisma eit data for a channel but it does not insert it with mytfilldatabase into mythtv i used
[16:57:44] akifdino: mythfilldatabase --update --no-delete --file trt.net.tr -1 testTRT.xml
[16:58:06] akifdino: and it doesnt insert anything to mythtv, what is wrong with this call?
[17:09:58] gbee: akifdino: what version?
[17:10:14] akifdino: i don't know i downloaded that file from
[17:10:37] akifdino: mythwiki.de
[17:11:14] akifdino: it is just a perl script isn't it?
[17:11:32] gbee: I mean mythfilldatabase (mythbackend --version)
[17:11:39] akifdino: 0.20 svn
[17:12:50] akifdino: i didn't understand the xmltv id which should be the same as in xmltv tv_grab_de_prisma
[17:13:03] geemark: i need a recommendation for a highend universal remote – it should be used for MythTV, TV, Hifi, DVD etc.... I would like one with a big customizable touch screen, but I do not have any clue what to choose! most models seem to be very little customizable?!
[17:13:23] fryfrog: Logitech's Harmony remotes are nice
[17:13:34] akifdino: fryfrog: the display is poor
[17:13:37] fryfrog: though i don't own one of the *HIGH* end ones
[17:13:47] fryfrog: even on the nice, big ones?
[17:13:55] fryfrog: mine is a crappy, few line LCD
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[17:14:03] fryfrog: hard for it to be "good" or "bad" :)
[17:14:13] akifdino: fryfrog: yes i had that big one and the display did look like a cheep calculatordisplay, although it was color
[17:14:52] geemark: by "highend" I don't mean something that costs a fortune, but not just those crap ones you can buy everywhere
[17:15:25] gbee: akifdino: if the xmltvid ids are correct in the channel table and it still doesn't work, then a log with the "-v xmltv" arguments to mythfilldatabase would help
[17:15:38] geemark: i have looked at the Harmony ones – how much can they be configured?
[17:15:38] fryfrog: ah, well first hand experience is better than mine :)
[17:15:46] fryfrog: i *do* like the software, sort of.
[17:16:01] fryfrog: so far, quite, but it is more... stupid consumer oriented
[17:16:24] fryfrog: for example, it can optionally *always* control the volume on your stereo (even when its doing stuff on the TV)
[17:16:33] fryfrog: but finding that option was annoying :p
[17:16:36] akifdino: gbee: how does it with the id work? "prosieben.de" is this the id for it?
[17:16:38] fryfrog: you just have to run the setup again
[17:16:48] fryfrog: er, run the setup of a certain portion
[17:17:08] fryfrog: what kind of customization where you looking for?
[17:17:27] fryfrog: I like the "Watch TV" and "Play Game" buttons that mine does, turns all the right gear on and puts it on the right inputs
[17:17:49] geemark: well, being a linux user I would say everything from buttons to what is on the display, but as a realist I will settle for a little less
[17:18:20] fryfrog: my cheap $75 lcd remote has done everything i could think of wanting it to do
[17:18:40] geemark: the ultimate remote would be one that could .e.g mirror the myth frontend, but that is of course not possible ;)
[17:18:50] fryfrog: ah, now that'd be neat
[17:19:17] fryfrog: at the lowest level, you could do it with a *ton* of screen shots :)
[17:19:23] gbee: akifdino: the id corresponds to a particular channel – there should be a list in the channel_ids file supplied with the grabber
[17:19:45] geemark: you know of any "two-way" remotes? so one could for instance use the myth LCD service to write a few lines of status text on the remote or something like that?
[17:19:48] akifdino: gbee: yes there is and which side is the one i need to use to write to the database?
[17:19:55] gbee: e.g. bbc2.bbc.co.uk would be the xmltvid id for "BBC 2" in the UK
[17:20:19] akifdino: gbee: then bbc2.bbc.co.uk would need to be written to xmltv id in the mythtv database?
[17:20:27] gbee: the one which looks like a domain name – so prosieben.de would probably be correct
[17:20:34] gbee: yes
[17:20:46] fryfrog: geemark: no idea
[17:21:26] akifdino: gbee: then it is correct here, but it doesn't insert it to the mythtv
[17:21:57] geemark: ok, thanks guys
[17:25:16] thylacine222: Geemark: My cousins have a remote that has a touchscreen lcd that can do that. :-D
[17:25:32] thylacine222: But they don´t use mythtv
[17:27:02] geemark: thylacine222, what's it called?
[17:27:10] geemark: or which make?
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[17:27:27] thylacine222: I have no idea. But it´s expensive is all I knwo,
[17:27:30] thylacine222: *know
[17:28:50] thylacine222: :-D With mythflash, I can watch TV shows on the Wii.
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[17:51:01] gbee: akifdino: a log with "-v xmltv" would help to solve the problem
[17:54:21] juski: well here goes nothing.. make build of minimyth :)
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[17:56:23] hadees: Can anyone recommend some good mythtv frontend hardware? I am looking for something small, rock solid, doesn't easily overheat and looks like A/V equipment.
[17:56:46] hadees: it also needs usb ports
[17:57:06] juski: and also needs a digital audio output at the _back_ ;)
[17:57:14] juski: oh and an IR window would be nice too
[17:57:17] hadees: juski, well yeah
[17:57:25] hadees: nah no IR window
[17:57:30] hadees: i have a rf remote
[17:57:41] juski: I'm asking for me :-P
[17:57:49] hadees: i was thinking of getting an apple tv and installing gentoo on it
[17:57:56] hadees: just wondering if there was other solutions
[17:58:15] juski: does the appletv thingy run linux yet?
[17:58:42] hadees: juski, well i haven't seen it confirmed anywhere but i don't see why it wouldn't
[18:00:05] juski: if there was a upnp player with a decent UI I'd opt for that instead
[18:00:28] juski: I do most of my scheduling with mythweb anyway
[18:02:09] juski: actually there's a nifty looking DVR with inbuilt h.264 decoding – now THAT would be nice to get mythtv running on
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[18:03:25] otwin: apparently a kernel could be booted on aTV but nothing more until now
[18:03:34] otwin: http://wiki.awkwardtv.org/wiki/Linux_on_Apple_TV
[18:03:47] juski: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/10/revie . . . edia_centre/
[18:04:13] hadees: oh well no apple tv
[18:04:25] hadees: i still need a new frontend that is rocksolid and won't overheat
[18:05:30] otwin: but given the progress they made in hacking appletv in only one week, there is hope that some day...
[18:05:42] teknopagan: Afternoon, folks
[18:07:03] teknopagan: I'm looking to build a Myth system for my parents. I'm looking to do a total of four tuners, two SD and two HD – but I need to make it so it works with DirecTV
[18:07:10] teknopagan: Any advice?
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[18:07:22] fryfrog: you won't get HD from DTV
[18:07:33] xris: teknopagan: what fryfrog said
[18:07:38] teknopagan: Even if I use the output from an STB?
[18:07:40] fryfrog: best you can do is svideo
[18:07:45] fryfrog: even then
[18:07:55] xris: teknopagan: and you'll need one stb per tuner
[18:07:59] teknopagan: Crap – what about Dish Network?
[18:08:02] xris: it's FAR easier/cheaper to just use their dvr
[18:08:04] xris: teknopagan: nope
[18:08:12] fryfrog: what would you use for HD capture? there are no analog (component) or dvi/hdmi capture cards
[18:08:18] xris: only way to get HD is either over the air, or firewire from a cable provider
[18:08:23] teknopagan: Blech.
[18:08:34] xris: fryfrog: actually, there are a couple.. but no linux support, and not cheap.
[18:08:40] fryfrog: I think if I were going sat, i'd probably jsut hack their DVR and add more drives
[18:08:50] fryfrog: xris: ah, yeah i spose that is true :)
[18:08:52] xris: and you'd need a bank of processors to encode in realtime
[18:08:54] juski: can we please put the capturing HDMI myth to bed now?
[18:08:58] fryfrog: actually, i remember reading about one
[18:09:02] teknopagan: Well, the big thing I was looking to do was that LinuxMCE setup.
[18:09:05] juski: you need hardware that doesn't exist yet
[18:09:06] xris: someone here pointed out a card the other day
[18:09:13] xris: teknopagan: that'd be plutohome.  :)
[18:09:18] fryfrog: there is a DVI input card
[18:09:22] teknopagan: ?
[18:09:33] fryfrog: or, at least i saw an article about one
[18:09:38] juski: fryfrog: you try compressing 15Gb/sec on the fly
[18:09:47] xris: teknopagan: linuxmce is plutohome running in ubuntu instead of the custom plutohome distro
[18:09:54] teknopagan: Ah
[18:10:00] fryfrog: but it was "coming soon" and windows only
[18:10:01] teknopagan: Didn't know that – thanks!
[18:10:25] teknopagan: Any benefit to one over the other?
[18:10:58] xris: teknopagan: for satellite setups, you're often best off just using their DVR, especially if it's for non-techie people.
[18:11:07] juski: teknopagan: one is a commercial enterprise looking to make $$$$$$, the other is a guy who forked plutohome
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[18:11:33] Salec: hey guys, anyone here have comcast digital? I'm curious if they will send the analog signal as well?
[18:11:38] teknopagan: OK, thanks – what about cable?
[18:11:43] xris: Salec: analog is almost always there
[18:11:59] Salec: so even if i subscribe to the digital plan they will send me analog as well?
[18:11:59] xris: Salec: but it's worth paying the $5/month box upgrade to HD and getting things via firewire.
[18:12:05] Salec: ya
[18:12:07] xris: Salec: yeah.
[18:12:16] Salec: oh I intend to..but I have a crapton of TV's in my house :)
[18:12:23] Salec: i don't want to upgrade and find out I need a tuner box for everyone
[18:12:49] xris: Salec: analog should always be there. you can always ask on the phone when you subscribe, but it works fine for me in seattle.
[18:12:49] teknopagan: In particular TWC – the folks are looking to move sometime soon, and I can maybe convince them to focus on areas that have cable
[18:13:00] Salec: oh rock on
[18:13:01] Salec: :D
[18:13:02] fryfrog: Salec: I have comcast, and their "analog" channels are in digital when you use an STB
[18:13:20] Salec: great
[18:13:21] fryfrog: oh, sorry that isn't what you asked
[18:13:22] juski: I might download that linuxmce thing & take it for a test drive
[18:13:32] fryfrog: any time you pay for cable, the analog channels are there in analog always
[18:13:34] Salec: i don't care if the tv's in my kitchen and random rooms arn't in digital
[18:13:35] juski: see if it'll play nice with my current mythbox
[18:13:38] xris: teknopagan: cable + firewire can be a crapshoot. it's been (I think) almost 3 years since the fcc mandated firewire ports, and there are still companies that fight you for it.
[18:13:40] Salec: so long as my big screens are digital
[18:13:41] Salec: :)
[18:13:45] fryfrog: but some cable provicers also send the "analog" range down in digital
[18:14:27] xris: fryfrog: most are moving to that, thankfully. was stupid to pay for digital but find that they were just recompressing the analog signal, making it twice as bad.
[18:14:42] fryfrog: yeah, or not even doing that
[18:14:57] fryfrog: just using an analog tuner in the STB to get the first 75 channels
[18:14:57] Beirdo: I'd LOVE to have analog cable again
[18:14:58] Beirdo: :)
[18:15:07] Beirdo: makes multiple receivers oh so easy
[18:15:20] teknopagan: Fun – so check this out – my planned system is pretty tight. Backend system in the basement with all the power and roughly 1TB of storage, then smaller frontend boxes at each TV
[18:15:32] fryfrog: it is easy to tell that the "analog" channels are digital, cause in my area the analog signal is absolute *crap*
[18:15:50] fryfrog: 1.5TB here, ready to goto 2TB with +2x 320G drives :)
[18:16:08] teknopagan: Like I said before, 4 total tuners, w/at least 2 being HD
[18:16:17] fryfrog: what cards?
[18:16:25] xris: teknopagan: sounds expensive
[18:16:35] fryfrog: I'd prolly go with PVR150 or PVR500 for the analog (sd)
[18:16:40] teknopagan: Probably the Hauppauge PVR-500MCE for the SD, not sure about HD yet
[18:16:43] fryfrog: not sure how you'd do HD unless its OTA
[18:16:56] fryfrog: 2x PVR150 is probably cheaper, in case that matters
[18:17:03] teknopagan: xris – looking at about $1500 for the backend and under $500 for each frontend
[18:17:08] fryfrog: (losing 1 pci slot may not be worth $40 or so though)
[18:17:26] fryfrog: what size hard drives are the best buy now?
[18:17:28] fryfrog: 400G?
[18:17:31] xris: teknopagan: that's "a lot of money" in my book.
[18:17:37] teknopagan: It's not worth it – 've only got 3 PCI slots available, and one goes to the sound card
[18:17:45] fryfrog: mine too :)
[18:17:45] teknopagan: ;)
[18:18:02] teknopagan: That's why this is for my parents and not for me
[18:18:09] fryfrog: haha
[18:18:15] xris: I'm trying to build a new be+fe system for around $400.. granted, I get about a 50% discount on mobo and cpu from intel.
[18:18:21] teknopagan: I don't make that kind of money yet
[18:18:30] fryfrog: you might want to show them the DTV option too, think one of those is like $1k or less now
[18:18:59] fryfrog: oh?
[18:19:01] fryfrog: which one?
[18:19:01] xris: teknopagan: I make more than my parents do (although not combined), and it's still a lot of money. esp. once you realize that you'll have to be there to maintain it for them, etc.
[18:19:01] teknopagan: mainly because they can't keep anything
[18:19:07] fryfrog: the HD one from tivo?
[18:19:12] fryfrog: or the HD one made by DTV?
[18:19:17] fryfrog: or the older, SD one?
[18:19:20] teknopagan: The one made by DTV
[18:19:26] teknopagan: HD, yeah
[18:19:28] fryfrog: ah
[18:19:30] fryfrog: how is that, btw?
[18:19:36] fryfrog: has anyone haxed it yet?
[18:19:42] teknopagan: Dunno
[18:19:45] fryfrog: the Tivo and DTivo were pretty well hacked
[18:20:31] teknopagan: I've got TW digital cable at home, myself, but the signal I get without a STB is horrible
[18:20:49] xris: teknopagan: should see if they do firewire
[18:21:21] teknopagan: I don't have an STB by that machine, though – and my wife won't let me get one
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[18:21:34] ** teknopagan is whipped **
[18:21:52] Beirdo: join the club :)
[18:21:53] Beirdo: hehe
[18:22:36] teknopagan: Fortunately for me, I'm not super concerned about quality – I'm a content-over-presentation kinda guy
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[18:30:55] fryfrog: how manyh pci slots is it?
[18:33:16] AndyCap: fryfrog: dunno yet. 4 7 or 13. I'm thinking 7.
[18:33:29] otwin: AndyCap: couldnt you build for the same money 3 slave backends?
[18:33:57] kormoc: otwin, shh... logic is not allowed here! :P
[18:34:18] AndyCap: otwin: that is the other solution yes. and probably makes sufficient disk bandwidth simpler.
[18:34:47] AndyCap: otwin: but it's more of a hassle having 3 boxes. ;)
[18:34:55] fryfrog: that is a crazy device!
[18:35:07] teknopagan: That's pretty cool – and technically, you could have 14 tuners in there. Whether you'd have enough bus bandwidth to make use of them is another story
[18:35:28] kormoc: AndyCap, also, do you have the rackmount setup to use it?
[18:35:34] AndyCap: teknopagan: hehe, 26 with dual tuner pci cards, and pain, pain, pain. :)
[18:35:45] AndyCap: kormoc: the 7 slot isn't rack mountable
[18:35:47] fryfrog: i've done 4 SD at the same time, i suspect 8 would be do-able on one bus
[18:35:49] teknopagan: Yeah, 26 on the 13 slot
[18:35:55] kormoc: yet alone dealing with the noise
[18:36:06] fryfrog: and those pci tuner cards are *hot* too
[18:36:11] anykey_: adante: it's only 1x pcie, if it would have been 16x, then that would be cool :)
[18:36:15] kormoc: andlooks that way to me on the first page you gave. it has the ears
[18:36:16] juski: loadsa fans ftw :)
[18:36:27] AndyCap: anykey_: yeah, can't figure out why they didn't make it 4x or 16x.
[18:36:39] fryfrog: also, man... you'd have to have 28 shows you wanted to watch that were on *at the same time*!
[18:36:42] kormoc: "The patented Magma 7 Slot PCI Express-to-PCI Expansion System accommodates seven full-length PCI cards in a separate rack-mount enclosure"
[18:37:09] AndyCap: kormoc: sorry, got it confused with the 4 slot
[18:37:23] teknopagan: There's a 6-slot PCI-X version
[18:37:25] ** juski sees gcc compiling for the 1st time in ages **
[18:37:48] AndyCap: I guess if you want to stick it in the fridge, you could go for the "board set for OEM"
[18:38:08] fryfrog: thats a neat device :)
[18:38:25] fryfrog: i wonder if you could combine say, 3 or 4 of the 13 slot ones if you had a few pci-e ports
[18:38:44] kormoc: fryfrog, shouldn't be a reason not to
[18:38:46] AndyCap: anyhow, I have to cope with the lack of pci slots on modern motherboards and lack of pcie tunercards somw way
[18:38:53] fryfrog: i imagine the computer with 13–26 pci cards would be crazy!
[18:39:10] fryfrog: isn't haupage coming out with pci-e tuners?
[18:39:17] fryfrog: i'm sure linux support would be an issue though
[18:39:19] AndyCap: and no, I don't think USB is the answer. :P
[18:39:24] AndyCap: fryfrog: exactly
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[18:39:43] teknopagan: I'd think 4 tuners ought to be enough for most?
[18:39:47] fryfrog: body things usb is the answer, except to the mouse/kb question :)
[18:39:53] hadees: teknopagan, what hardware were you going to use for the frontends?
[18:39:53] teknopagan: Do you need more than 4, AndyCap?
[18:39:57] fryfrog: yeah, 4 is way more than anyone really needs :p
[18:40:04] juski: if you really wanna know how well 5 or more pci cards go in a machine, find the sagetv mammoth behemoth box ;)
[18:40:20] fryfrog: oh, i have like 6 pci cards and a few built in devices
[18:40:21] juski: mediaportal did a similar setup for kicks too
[18:40:26] fryfrog: seems to be working fine now
[18:40:46] fryfrog: 2x PCI raid cards, 2x PCI HD tv card and uhhh
[18:40:47] hadees: fryfrog, well i have 3 and i don't get to record everything i want. I generally only watch a fraction of what I record but i like having to option to watch things when ever i choose
[18:40:49] AndyCap: teknopagan: well, 2xdvb-s, 2xdvb-t, 2xdvb-c and 2 analog tuners. :)
[18:40:52] juski: as for usb tuners – I'd not trust em as far as I could throw one
[18:40:53] fryfrog: i swear there is another pci one
[18:41:20] kormoc: fryfrog, audio?
[18:41:22] fryfrog: oh yeah, a pci firewire card
[18:41:39] teknopagan: Frontends: ABIT NF-M2 mobo, Sempron 64 3000+, 512MB DDR2 RAM, 80GB HDD, ASUS DVD burner, Gyration mouse
[18:41:40] fryfrog: and it has built in audio, built in firewire, built in raid/ide
[18:41:40] fryfrog: network, etc
[18:41:49] fryfrog: so its got a *ton* of pci stuff :)
[18:41:53] juski: imagine writing the udev rules for 13 tuner cards
[18:41:57] fryfrog: teknopagan: i'd skip the sempron if you are doing HD
[18:42:21] fryfrog: a 3200+ amd64 that i use is what i'd consider the *bare* min for HD playback
[18:42:40] AndyCap: fryfrog: and optimal for hd playback?
[18:42:48] juski: fryfrog: yup – no point guessing & leaving yourself short
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[18:43:05] hadees: juski, what would you have to write for udev if you had 13 tuners?
[18:43:13] juski: you can easily add more ram to a box, uprgading the cpu isn't always as easy ;)
[18:43:16] fryfrog: AndyCap: dunno first hand, but I think I'd go for a 3600+ cpu
[18:43:24] teknopagan: Remember, that's the frontend – the backend has an A64X2 4400+
[18:43:37] fryfrog: for the backend (if it isn't gonna do FE) i'd go with the slowest dual core you can
[18:43:49] juski: hadees: to make sure all yer tuners get put in the right dev nodes every boot – it's damn important with only 2 tuners never mind that many
[18:43:58] kormoc: juski, till you hit around 2 gb per slot... then adding ram isn't so easy :P
[18:44:03] fryfrog: unless all the tuners are the same
[18:44:11] hadees: juski, hmm i never mess with udev generally, maybe i should
[18:44:22] juski: kormoc: yeah but unless you use blootube-wide you don't need more than 2GB for a mythtv frontend :-P
[18:44:32] hadees: juski, there a doc on this somewhere?
[18:44:33] teknopagan: Do you really think a Sempron 3000+ wouldn't be able to play streamed HD content?
[18:44:44] juski: hadees: JFGI :)
[18:44:45] kormoc: juski, ha, fair nuff :P
[18:44:56] fryfrog: teknopagan: my 3200+ amd64 glitches sometimes
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[18:45:18] teknopagan: fryfrog: and that's just doing the playback? No backend?
[18:45:28] hadees: juski, :) well i was hoping for one that would deal with udev and mythtv but i'll try google
[18:45:33] fryfrog: teknopagan: I used to have a dual xeon 2.4ghz doing my HD playback, and it would screw up a lot and was using 150%
[18:45:48] fryfrog: i still think there could be something odd with my setup, but i haven't been able to track anything down
[18:45:54] fryfrog: yeah, that 3200+ is a FE only
[18:45:57] AndyCap: fryfrog: what video card and driver?
[18:46:09] juski: hadees: mythtv uses tuner cards – udev has little to do with either of those directly
[18:46:10] fryfrog: now its a 6100 (or 6200) w/ nvidia drivers
[18:46:26] fryfrog: but i'm not using xvmc, just libmpeg2 or "standard"
[18:46:27] hadees: juski, okay sorry udev and ivtv
[18:46:47] fryfrog: teknopagan: the sempron is what, like $30?
[18:46:53] juski: search for 'udev rules'
[18:46:55] teknopagan: $41 for that one
[18:46:59] fryfrog: at the very least, you could *try* it
[18:47:09] teknopagan: It's an AM2 chip
[18:47:12] fryfrog: a 3600+ (single core) is prolly a bit less than $100 or so?
[18:47:16] AndyCap: oh, I can imaigine that you really, really want hw acceleration for hd. but afaict mpeg-4 acceleration isn't very available on linux?
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[18:47:34] juski: AndyCap: it's barely even available in windows
[18:48:11] teknopagan: I was planning on setting it up to do everything in mpeg-2, not 4
[18:48:13] juski: anyway unless you're in europe you don't need worry about mpeg4 / h.264 HD
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[18:48:23] teknopagan: which should be easier on proc usage
[18:48:38] fryfrog: i'm doing mpeg2/hd
[18:48:41] fryfrog: no mpeg4 crap
[18:48:43] AndyCap: juski: but I am. :-P and the national broadcasters are dead set on h.264 SD (and HD I guess)
[18:48:45] juski: I've seen folks brag that mpeg2 HDTV can be played back on a 2ghz CPU
[18:49:19] juski: AndyCap: in the Uk? they've not even decided what's gonna happen to the old analogue spectrum yet other than it's gonna be sold off to the highest bidder
[18:49:22] teknopagan: AndyCap: How's your cooling setup?
[18:49:54] AndyCap: juski: nope, norway.
[18:50:05] AndyCap: teknopagan: it isn't yet. :)
[18:50:31] teknopagan: I'm just wondering if it's a heat issue and not an under-powered processor issue
[18:50:32] juski: just give us software-programmable codec chips on the pci bus damnit
[18:51:05] juski: there must be somebody out there capable of putting ffmpeg into an FPGA
[18:51:25] AndyCap: juski: hehe, but a few OGD1 cards in the machine? :)
[18:51:31] juski: aka 'the chosen one' ;)
[18:52:30] teknopagan: Alright, for $96 I can get an Athlon 64 X2 3800+ – that should be more than enough
[18:54:01] fryfrog: i'd call dual core for an FE overkill
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[18:54:08] fryfrog: is there no 3800+ or 3600+ single core?
[18:54:26] teknopagan: It's about the same price
[18:54:54] teknopagan: I see no problem with putting in more power than I need if it costs about the same
[18:56:19] hadees: if it is a heat issue then you shouldn't have any problems
[18:56:28] teknopagan: I'd agree with that
[18:56:39] teknopagan: Here's my backend box: https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist . . . xMCE+backend
[18:57:02] teknopagan: And my frontend with the new proc: https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist . . . MCE+frontend
[18:58:24] hadees: teknopagan, you might want to try a laptop hard drive in the frontend
[18:58:33] hadees: easier to cool and less noise
[18:58:47] teknopagan: That's a thought
[19:00:16] juski: go diskless for the frontend – it needn't mean more time to boot up ya know
[19:01:02] baxter_kylie: Hi. Are there any music player alternatives to mythmusic? I wish I could use it but its minimalistic tag handling makes it impossible for me to use with my collection.
[19:01:19] GreyFoxx: a big part of your bootup time is very distro/init script dependant
[19:01:38] GreyFoxx: asome distros are up in 12–30 seconds, some need minutes
[19:03:48] teknopagan: I'm not sure whether the board I picked can do network booting or not...and I think I'd prefer to have a bit of HDD there for caching
[19:04:00] fryfrog: baxter_kylie: i like jinzora and MPD
[19:04:59] AndyCap: teknopagan: I don't think you can find a board with onboard lan that can't netboot
[19:05:12] baxter_kylie: fryfrog: Mmhmm. But are they interface accessible (aka, are there unofficial ports that allow them to work 'seamlessly' with myth? I hate to ask that question but I have some very very non-technical users here).
[19:05:13] teknopagan: OK, yup, it's got it
[19:05:26] fryfrog: oh
[19:05:32] fryfrog: no, there is no myth integration of that
[19:06:20] teknopagan: Is it possible to set up a myth backend on a machine with no X server?
[19:06:39] kormoc: teknopagan, sure
[19:07:04] juski: it's just not as easy as _with_ an X server that's all
[19:07:04] ** baxter_kylie sighs. "It is at times like this that I really wish I had the background and the skill to dig in and make changes myself. I've got all the big ideas but none of the ability to implement them." **
[19:07:16] teknopagan: Is anybody in here doing netbooting on an FE?
[19:07:21] ** juski is **
[19:07:38] juski: why do you think I'm such an advocate of it?
[19:07:51] teknopagan: juski – how does that work, exactly? I have no experience with that.
[19:07:53] kormoc: juski, I thought you were just dropped on your head one too many times...
[19:07:56] kormoc: :P
[19:08:00] AndyCap: but if you want a very expensive remote for mpd: nokia + maemp :)
[19:08:05] hadees: juski, what is your frontend hardware?
[19:08:28] juski: epia M10000
[19:08:43] juski: just about adequate for mpeg2 SDTV
[19:09:00] juski: teknopagan: just enable net booting in your bios, then get a tftp & dhcp server running
[19:09:24] teknopagan: OK
[19:09:31] AndyCap: and nfs or something?
[19:09:46] juski: the ethernet bios (normally PXE) grabs an ip address from the dhcp server, then it gets a kernel etc from the tftp server – then it'll mount / over nfs
[19:10:05] teknopagan: Would I be able to do that with a LinuxMCE setup?
[19:10:17] juski: that's the simple way – you can of course grab a whole image (say squashfs) & unpack it into a ramdisk
[19:10:23] teknopagan: I wanted to run LinuxMCE on the FEs
[19:10:24] ** kormoc blinks **
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[19:10:28] juski: AAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:10:31] kormoc: linux... mce...
[19:10:32] ** kormoc blinks **
[19:10:35] hadees: juski, yeah
[19:10:39] AndyCap: mm-kay?
[19:10:42] juski: kormoc: did you miss the hype?
[19:10:50] kormoc: juski, guess so
[19:10:51] hadees: linuxMCE = crappy marketing
[19:11:05] juski: kormoc: it's a fork of PlutoHome
[19:11:24] juski: it got dugg last week
[19:11:25] teknopagan: do a google video search for LinuxMCE – there's a 15 minute demo video
[19:11:26] kormoc: ooh, I see... how... grand... yeah... grand...
[19:11:42] hadees: teknopagan, that video sucks and they guy in it is a tool
[19:11:55] juski: there's a boring video of it
[19:12:07] baxter_kylie: LinuxMCE... *shudder* I call shennanigans on a lot of it.
[19:12:09] teknopagan: heh, I know – I was showing my wife, and had to keep saying, yeah, ignore the guy's voice and listen to *what* he's saying
[19:12:43] teknopagan: The video itself is not bad – but definitely could have been better
[19:13:56] AndyCap: so why did they fork?
[19:13:59] teknopagan: Which mobo he used, which home automation stuff, and he gives ample warning (on the site, not the video) that the OoB hardware support list is fairly short
[19:14:08] juski: aha
[19:14:21] teknopagan: Granted, he just launched the thing on the 15th
[19:14:27] baxter_kylie: In order to work 'as advertised' you have to buy a lot of hardware and you have to give into the fact that the idea of 'personal configuration' is sorta outta the window — it's built to run a specific way with specific wrappers. Myth, for example, can have clients in an existant desktop environment, but if I read it correctly, LinuxMCE won't work that way — it will allow clients but...
[19:14:29] baxter_kylie: ...clients have to be netbooted.
[19:14:31] hadees: i wish the masses could use mythtv but i have have doubts. There are bound to be problems that crop up that they won't be able to handle
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[19:14:38] juski: why did he fork it? no idea.. presumably just to get away from the nastiness of plutohome
[19:14:57] juski: it's too altruistic to expect mythtv will ever be ready for the masses
[19:15:07] juski: hell the masses can't even tune their own fucking TVs in
[19:15:10] Dagmar: juski: THat and to clear everyone elses names off the credits
[19:15:25] baxter_kylie: juski: Or get the blinking 12:00 off their vcrs.
[19:15:31] AndyCap: Heh, never heard of plutohome, and I ran accross linuxmce a few days ago, dunno where, maybe in here
[19:15:32] juski: 'which button do I press to get the DVD on again?'
[19:15:41] kormoc: baxter_kylie, hey now, that's soothing!
[19:15:42] hadees: juski, i don't know, it could be eventually
[19:15:44] ** teknopagan is away: time for a smoke **
[19:16:07] juski: call me jaded but I love the fact you have to get your hands a little dirty to get mythtv working
[19:17:09] juski: from an end-user PoV, mythtv is dead easy to use
[19:17:25] AndyCap: juski: except for mythmusic. :P
[19:17:34] ** baxter_kylie nods in agreement with juski and AndyCap. **
[19:17:35] juski: it could be made a bit more simple for sure but hell that wouldn't take much
[19:17:51] juski: gimme less options :)
[19:18:02] baxter_kylie: Speaking of mythmusic... *cough* anyone here a bit devminded and want to help me change that? *bats eyes*
[19:18:31] AndyCap: hehe, are there any other ways to build stuff for myth except C?
[19:18:34] juski: baxter_kylie: work is ongoing – there's a lot of stuff to fix before making serious inroads to improvements in the GUI etc
[19:18:37] juski: AndyCap: nope
[19:18:42] AndyCap: ok. :)
[19:19:21] kormoc: AndyCap, sure there is... c++
[19:19:29] AndyCap: I did like the interface of the softsqueeze / squeezebox, I guess one could borrow the general ideas there.
[19:19:33] ** juski glibly says that ideally mythtv should one day become a media interface – no plugins – all media handled by the same code in much the same way as XBMC does (only better) **
[19:19:37] gbee: I like learning new things – I probably would prefer mythtv if automagically just worked without any setup or configuration but the way it is now meant that I learnt quite a bit about how it works and linux in general
[19:19:56] AndyCap: kormoc: I'm interested, but my C plain sucks. I'm more of a perl/python guy.
[19:20:15] juski: from my own PoV I can name loads of stuff that could be changed to make mythtv more 'appliance-like'
[19:20:48] baxter_kylie: juski: It's not just the gui that could use some work. Tag management needs to be looked at. There needs to be a user configurable tag heirarchy for the various types, and support for custom tags and organization with conditionals (Eg IF2([album artist],[artist]) to test for the existance of [album artist] and display that in place of artist but if not, use artist)
[19:20:51] juski: but I know there's bigger, more important stuff going on behind the scenes fixing things for folks who don't get the same experience I do
[19:21:10] juski: baxter_kylie: what?! not _more_ fucking config options
[19:21:16] juski: ;)
[19:21:35] GreyFoxx: AndyCap: I believe most of the MythArchive plugins is written in Python
[19:21:39] juski: is over 170 setup screens not enough for you?
[19:21:54] GreyFoxx: or at least I thought I had read that it is. I've never actually looked at the code for it
[19:21:55] kormoc: baxter_kylie, but what about mixed artist cds? album artist is 'Various Artists' and artist is the track's artist?
[19:22:12] AndyCap: GreyFoxx: I haven't used MythArchive, but isn't that more "backend" stuff?
[19:22:25] kormoc: AndyCap, it's frontend only
[19:22:40] ** AndyCap goes to look at MythArchive **
[19:22:40] juski: isn't the GUI stuff still qt though?
[19:22:47] juski: that's the blocker
[19:22:53] kormoc: juski, aye
[19:22:54] AndyCap: qt has bindings for python
[19:23:00] baxter_kylie: kormoc: Hence why an organization config should read like a script you could write it the way you see fit to best suit your own tagging.
[19:23:16] juski: baxter_kylie: and that's good for noobs how exactly?
[19:23:27] kormoc: baxter_kylie, heh, just saying, it'd any 'good' defaults would be ultra complicated fast
[19:23:29] gbee: if anyone is interested in reading/saving rating information to/from the id3 tags of mp3s then this patch does exactly that – http://pastebin.ca/413894
[19:23:50] baxter_kylie: juski: Provide a basic one and tell them not to mess with it unless they know what they're doing.
[19:24:00] juski: baxter_kylie: not good enough. mark my words
[19:24:10] kormoc: baxter_kylie, cause that works so well with the mysql setup now? :P
[19:24:25] gbee: having written it, I may not bother to commit it in the near future as I ran into a problem that I can't be bothered to fix
[19:24:55] juski: always put yourself in the position of somebody who can't be bothered to RTFM – the lowest common denominator
[19:25:00] AndyCap: gbee: is there some kind of standard for rating in id3?
[19:25:10] juski: cos those people ARE the masses!
[19:25:30] gbee: yeah, the POPM tag – accepts a value between 0–255
[19:25:54] AndyCap: gbee: and everybody uses 255 to mean best?
[19:25:58] gbee: with a bit a simple maths that's converted into a value between 0–10 for mythtv
[19:26:06] gbee: AndyCap: yeah
[19:26:24] baxter_kylie: kormoc & juski: Not saying it's the easiest but you have to consider the market. A mythbox has a high chance of being the centre of an entertainment system including the soundsystem. Those who care about music aren't listening to mp3's they're listening to flacs or similar lossless materials on the $8k stereo and they probably have large libraries. Because flac uses vorbis tags there aren't...
[19:26:25] baxter_kylie: ...predefined tags and the system needs to be more flexible to accomodate it.
[19:27:33] ** AndyCap suspects the people who use flacs are the same people who obsess about ffdshow filters and thinks HTPC is only a scaler for their dvd's **
[19:27:35] juski: baxter_kylie: it'd just be adding an unneccessary elitist layer
[19:28:03] thylacine222: Hey, I use flacs.
[19:28:08] juski: ordinarily I'd say yeah okay, but we're talking about things in the context of the great unwashed here
[19:28:12] baxter_kylie: juski: It's been implemented elsewhere. foobar has been doing it since the beginning.
[19:28:16] AndyCap: and they have an LP player lurking on a concrete pillar in the basement for when they really want to enjoy music. :)
[19:28:30] ** juski laughs **
[19:28:48] thylacine222: The concrete pillar part isn´t accurate for me, but everything else is true
[19:28:53] juski: anyway... I'm just saying I don't see any need to over-complicate it
[19:29:00] juski: it's bad enough as it is
[19:29:00] ** baxter_kylie is with thylacine. **
[19:29:35] gbee: http://www.id3.org/id3v2.4.0-frames#line-1166
[19:29:42] juski: if you're gonna do it, don't use a scripting thing that needs serious thought applied before running
[19:29:47] thylacine222: Hey, my flacs are all tagged with Vorbis and id3 tags.
[19:30:15] AndyCap: would indexing all the tags be a bad thing?
[19:30:16] juski: imagine if you had to enter a mysql query to set up a recording...
[19:30:24] thylacine222: Lol
[19:30:31] ** baxter_kylie doesn't understand how adding a layer to allow a more finite understanding of music material is problematic. "Right now I have one album that mythmusic interprets across 33 different artists and is completely unsearchable because the [album artist] tag is being ignored. **
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[19:31:05] thylacine222: Did you really have to use the me tag for htat?
[19:31:07] thylacine222: *that
[19:31:08] juski: baxter_kylie: so just have a bunch of checkboxes for which tags to read, and some basic rule choices
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[19:31:38] juski: you don't necessarily have to cater to every last eccentric out there
[19:31:41] AndyCap: unless you enter in all your cd info yourself the tags are filled with, well, crap
[19:32:06] juski: yeah I get pissed off with Artist, The quite a lot
[19:32:14] AndyCap: you're lucky if you don't have any Variuos Artists and varios Artists
[19:32:29] juski: and compilations from one artist/group being tagged with 'various' by CDDB
[19:33:02] juski: anyway where was I?
[19:33:14] juski: oh yeah. gcc is still compiling
[19:33:30] AndyCap: umm, why are you building gcc?
[19:34:14] baxter_kylie: juski: The problem with that is those rules will never be flexible enough to accomodate all circumstances. Another circumstance is where an artist is the name of someone performing a classical piece but the composer is the key. If I want to hear motzart's requiem it's not user friendly for me to search for St. Marten's Academy or the other three artists I may have who've performed that work....
[19:34:16] baxter_kylie: ...It should parse Motzart then submenu to the artists.
[19:34:20] juski: because... I'm a pervert
[19:35:11] juski: baxter_kylie: well – you'd have to put it to the vote, and the power of the developer is all in this project – so good luck ;)
[19:35:44] AndyCap: so, one could index all the tags, have a search function that searched all the tags. and let you select what to add to the queue, playlist. etc
[19:35:58] AndyCap: anyone here tried softsqueeze btw?
[19:38:43] baxter_kylie: AndyCap: That's the idea. But just allow the user to direct it via simplified scripting. It's not a new idea as I've said. Foobar2k just had it right. To organize and tag music I actually run it under wine — nothing can even dream to compare with that. And yeah I've used a squeezebox.
[19:39:28] AndyCap: I did find the interface of it very easy to use
[19:39:55] juski: baxter_kylie: you're missing the point. introducing scripts where now there's just a simple wizardy thing is just mad IMHO
[19:39:55] AndyCap: as opposed to 3 geeks not being able to figure out how to manage muthmusic. :P
[19:40:08] AndyCap: ok, there was some alchohol involved.
[19:40:48] baxter_kylie: juski: There already is a 'script' of sorts when it askes you to order [genre]/[album] etc
[19:41:13] baxter_kylie: juski: I'm not suggesting much more than that with the exception of a conditional. An if statement.
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[19:44:01] AndyCap: btw, is contemplating myth-python bindings completely insane?
[19:44:18] baxter_kylie: AndyCap: What's myth originally coded in?
[19:44:37] AndyCap: C++ I gather.
[19:44:54] GreyFoxx: C++, and a little C (mostly the libavcodec stuff)
[19:45:04] GreyFoxx: and maybe a few routines in asm,
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[19:46:36] i10neorg: Is there really no way to crop (actually reduce the pixel size, not just overlay black bars) when transcoding?
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[19:50:26] i10neorg: Is it possible to preserve the interlacing when transcode scaling?
[19:50:39] juski: evening stuarta
[19:50:49] stuarta: evening juski
[19:50:53] juski: is there any way to stop all these questions appearing? ;)
[19:50:57] i10neorg: Something like: frames -> fields -> scale -> fields to frames?
[19:51:14] juski: i10neorg: yeah – make your own user job script to do it
[19:51:35] i10neorg: juski: Thanks, will now look up "user job scripts".
[19:51:42] juski: but you might aswell just deinterlace & cut the res down to half with nary a noticable loss
[19:52:07] i10neorg: juski: Except (almost) half the framerate, right?
[19:52:20] juski: try it – you'll hardly even notice
[19:52:54] i10neorg: Maybe it's just me but I notice. Especially when switching between "regular tv" and myth.
[19:53:09] juski: so get a less crappy tuner card ;)
[19:53:47] i10neorg: The tuner card is doing fine, and all is well when playing back with bob dinterlacing.
[19:53:47] juski: the tuners on most pci capture cards leave a *lot* to be desired
[19:54:19] juski: you just said there's a noticable difference between 'regular tv' and 'mythtv'
[19:54:44] i10neorg: If interlacing isn't maintained when played back.
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[19:54:54] juski: well of course
[19:55:13] juski: but if you deinterlace while transcoding... there's not much to tell
[19:55:59] i10neorg: If the deinterlacing maintains the double frame rate fields, which it doesn't look like it does by default (if I'm seeing it right).
[19:56:08] juski: speaking of user jobs....
[19:56:36] i10neorg: :^(
[19:57:30] juski: anyway the only way to get total control over how you transcode your recordings is to script it yourself
[19:57:54] i10neorg: With User Jobs, okay. Thanks, I'm looking into that now.
[19:58:10] juski: prepare yourself for getting familiar with commandline ffmpeg options etc...
[19:58:20] i10neorg: I'm ready!
[19:58:21] juski: ah the fun of all that
[19:58:36] i10neorg: ah, the /control/ of all that!
[19:59:08] juski: the wiki entry about user jobs tells you more or less all you need to know about passing parameters to a script anyway
[19:59:23] i10neorg: That's where I'm reading now, thanks agian.
[19:59:28] juski: the rest is scripty-fu
[19:59:46] juski: have fun with that
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[20:01:14] baxter_kylie: It is fun! I run my transcode jobs over ssh for just that reason... and b/c I separate them across six cores between four machines.
[20:02:19] i10neorg: Sorry, but just to make sure I'm not wasting my time, there is no way to, say, extract a 4:3 pillarboxed content out of a 16:9 source, using the standard mythtv transcode filters, right?
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[20:02:49] i10neorg: One can only scale or overlay black bars that I can see.
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[21:08:50] ubuntuEdgy: hi guys, i have some recorded tv shows on my front end machine ,i want to play them to show up on "recorded tv" in mythtv . is there any way i can do this with out transferring the files to the backend ?
[21:09:00] ubuntuEdgy: make sense ?
[21:10:16] HeppyCat: i have no idea how to do that
[21:10:21] HeppyCat: but i do understand what you're askin
[21:11:59] Hoxzer: That would require pretty much work. You should first mount ssh share -> do symlink your record dir -> then make database entries
[21:12:08] Hoxzer: *to your
[21:13:17] xris: Hoxzer: or use nfs
[21:13:25] xris: ubuntuEdgy: set up a slave backend on your frontend machine.
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[21:17:26] ubuntuEdgy: how will that work ,care to explain xris?
[21:17:40] hads: It is in the docs I believe
[21:18:31] t0ny-p40: Any one have a appletv thing?
[21:19:35] ubuntuEdgy: Hoxzer:i like your idea , but wont the recodings also get saved on the front end due to the link? im making sense right ?
[21:21:06] Como|Lappy: heeeeeey guys... does mythtv run well on slackware?
[21:21:19] Como|Lappy: (thats just the first of many questions!)
[21:21:24] hads: Mythtv runs on any distro
[21:21:37] Como|Lappy: right, but i heard it works better on some than others...
[21:21:47] Como|Lappy: and i only work well in slack so far
[21:22:06] stuarta: then use slack
[21:22:51] Como|Lappy: fair enough
[21:23:42] Como|Lappy: I just got the parts in for my mythtv box- I'll be using a 250gb drive for the system/storage drive (box only has room for one drive) and i'll be mounting another 250 over the network... Does mythtv have any sort of web-interfaces?
[21:23:55] thylacine222: Mythwe n
[21:23:58] thylacine222: *Mythweb
[21:24:53] Como|Lappy: the reason i ask is because the network drive i'll be mounting happens to be an ISO dumping ground for client data for my job... any time i need to burn disks their ISO's get dumped there, and my mythbox happens to have a dvd burner- Is there a simple iso burning application available in the web interface?
[21:25:10] hads: No
[21:25:20] hads: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythWeb
[21:25:22] Como|Lappy: Poop, so i'll have to write that my own
[21:25:40] stuarta: no, it's just not in the web interface
[21:26:00] stuarta: it's a plugin, so it runs on the frontend
[21:26:08] Como|Lappy: oh dear
[21:26:33] Como|Lappy: but that would mean i wouldnt be able to use the machine to say, play back some video at the same time, right?
[21:26:52] hads: Use another box for work? :)
[21:26:54] stuarta: no, it's a fairly intensive process
[21:27:12] Como|Lappy: bah. I suppose i could just go ahead and use growisofs via ssh
[21:27:39] Como|Lappy: i actually do use another box for work, but it will be within feet of this one, and i figured why have 2 burners and only use one
[21:27:48] stuarta: what about the non trivial matter of converting to the appropriate format
[21:28:06] Como|Lappy: its just an iso being written, how much cpu time could it use?
[21:28:19] stuarta: plus removal of commercials, and other pretties
[21:28:33] stuarta: growing the iso is the easy bit.
[21:28:33] Como|Lappy: well thats the mythtv end, these isos are just client data
[21:28:42] Como|Lappy: off on the other machines drive
[21:29:18] stuarta: hang on, you can easily iso client data to a cd while watching something
[21:29:30] stuarta: just not build an iso from a recording while watching
[21:29:38] Como|Lappy: oh no, that would be comple
[21:29:39] Como|Lappy: compelx
[21:29:57] Como|Lappy: im just looking to make use of the mythbox's burner while watching tv, possibly off the myth hdd
[21:30:07] Como|Lappy: the drive storing the iso's will be network mounted, even
[21:30:17] Como|Lappy: i was just hoping for a web interface for it
[21:30:25] stuarta: oh that'll be okay, might suffer some pauses due to io contention tho
[21:30:52] hads: Why does everything need a web interface these days? :)
[21:31:26] Como|Lappy: because the tv is my girlfriends and if shes watching she wont want me messing with it to burn a cd/dvd
[21:31:53] Como|Lappy: i'd think the machine has plenty of power for a simple burn, its a 3000+ sempron
[21:31:59] Como|Lappy: only 256 ram though, i might have to up that
[21:32:17] Como|Lappy: i dont have money for ram, it got expensive again
[21:34:38] Honk: it did?
[21:35:29] Como|Lappy: yeah, a 512 stick was like, $25 6 months ago
[21:35:37] Como|Lappy: i paid 30 for this 256
[21:36:03] Como|Lappy: err, supper... be back in a few
[21:36:06] Honk: 256 what?
[21:36:08] Honk: lappy ram? ;)
[21:38:15] mishehu: honk if you like mythtv
[21:39:26] trigger_: *honk*
[21:39:31] stuarta: !trout mishehu honky
[21:39:31] ** MythLogBot slaps mishehu with a honky trout on behalf of stuarta... **
[21:40:51] pigeon: hmm i'm getting a weird bug where in mythfrontend if i move the focus to one of those dropdown list in the settings, it will stop getting any keyboard events, mouse click still works though... any ideas?
[21:41:17] ** mishehu slaps stuarta around a bit with a medium sized pigeon **
[21:41:23] mishehu: heh
[21:41:30] stuarta: mmm tasty
[21:41:43] pigeon: hmm or in fact even a text field does the same thing
[21:42:04] stuarta: pigeon: you using some weird window manager?
[21:42:18] pigeon: ahhhh
[21:42:22] pigeon: i found the problem
[21:42:33] pigeon: something to do with XIM
[21:42:40] pigeon: it gets stuck
[21:42:49] stuarta: xim?
[21:43:08] pigeon: i right click, and have to change from the "Select Input Method"
[21:43:42] pigeon: stuarta: X input method stuff, for internationalization input, like xcin, scim, etc.
[21:43:50] stuarta: ahh
[21:44:25] pigeon: weird, i don't even have QT_IM_MODULE set... hmm...
[21:45:08] pigeon: looks like it will just pick up from XMODIFIERS
[21:45:19] pigeon: which is normal...
[21:46:06] pigeon: and the good news is i can type chinese/japanese in mythfrontend
[21:46:41] stuarta: :)
[21:46:58] pigeon: not that i'll ever want to do that :)
[21:48:20] pigeon: (just switched from 0.19 to 0.20 yesterday, it's soooooo nice...)
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[21:51:21] [Klatuu]: anyone running mythfrontend in a vnc session?
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[21:51:52] hads: No one sensible :)
[21:57:02] GreyFoxx: I regular run x11vnc to grab control of a existing X server, but I don't use VNC's x server itself
[21:57:19] [Klatuu]: hrmmm
[21:58:05] [Klatuu]: mythfrontend segfaults in a tightvnc server
[21:58:09] [Klatuu]: it worked at one time
[21:58:29] [Klatuu]: it crashes after querying the backend for TV size info
[21:58:47] GreyFoxx: *shrug* I've found all vnc x servers to be way to flaky to consider using
[21:59:02] GreyFoxx: so I use x11vnc to control "Real" x servers. Same effect, more stable :)
[21:59:02] [Klatuu]: I see
[21:59:22] [Klatuu]: does it work in when the frontend is using GL as the painter?
[21:59:30] GreyFoxx: yup
[22:03:31] Como|Lappy: Honk- no, ddr2
[22:04:13] Honk: sells for.. like 20$ :P
[22:05:08] Como|Lappy: $27 + ~$5 shipping
[22:05:22] Como|Lappy: from some place ive never heard of
[22:07:04] Como|Lappy: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820144146
[22:07:08] Como|Lappy: thats the one i got the other day
[22:07:17] Como|Lappy: so it was $26
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[22:09:35] Honk: so what?
[22:10:14] Honk: kingstom ram is more expensive than noname ram which is probably the same manufacturer anyway? i'm SO shocked
[22:10:27] Como|Lappy: just angers me, i bought 2 sticks of 256 for what is now my router/fileserver for .... $33 shipped 7 months ago
[22:10:42] Como|Lappy: that was the cheapest 256 stick newegg had when i made the order
[22:10:49] Como|Lappy: im not brand picky
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[22:11:17] foor: my wife was doing something with our mythtv box, went to "watch recordings" and was presented with a menu that seemed to look like genres, selected one, and now that seems to be all we see in the watch recordings menu
[22:11:21] foor: anyone know how one might go about undoing that?
[22:11:22] Honk: well.. dont buy at newegg when it's expensive?
[22:11:40] Honk: aaand: of course 256mb ram would be expensive, noone buys 'em
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[22:12:00] Como|Lappy: the 512s started at 35 + 5 shipping, i couldnt justify that much
[22:12:34] Honk: 32 right now
[22:12:46] Honk: 20% higher price for 100% more ram
[22:12:52] Honk: yeah, i can see how that's not justified
[22:12:53] Como|Lappy: see, 32 i could have squeezed
[22:13:00] Honk: cheapo
[22:13:01] Honk: :]
[22:13:08] Como|Lappy: my checking is down to $25 right now kthnks ;)
[22:13:12] fryfrog: foor: hit "M" for menu while in the watch recordings screen
[22:13:17] fryfrog: there should be something about the view there, i think
[22:13:41] foor: fryfrog: any way on a remote? or, I can go find a keyboard
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[22:13:48] fryfrog: menu
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[22:13:54] fryfrog: i dunno what you have mapped to that
[22:14:00] fryfrog: for me, its a button labeled "menu" :)
[22:14:19] Honk: for me it's a button that's supposed to increase the contrast
[22:14:26] Honk: errh.. decrease it actually.. who cares ;)
[22:14:27] Dagmar: Okay, I'm not seeing the bug I've found listed in Trac. Can someone verify that this is *not* the way it's supposed to be? When you rename transcoding groups, the new names are *not* shown in the on-screen menu when you tell it to start transcoding a video you're watching
[22:15:32] Dagmar: Like, I renamed "High Quality" to "Lossless" (since it makes more sense for the way I've got them configured) and it still says "High Quality" in the "Begin Transcoding" submenu
[22:15:43] foor: hmm, keyboard M doesn't bring up anything
[22:15:56] foor: oh, wait
[22:15:59] foor: nevermind, I'm being stupid
[22:16:41] foor: thanks, that did it :D
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[22:18:52] lando__: hey folks... is it possible to control a Scientific Atlanta 3200 dtv box via the USB port?
[22:19:32] fryfrog: haven't heard of any that can do that
[22:19:58] lando__: hrm.. that's too bad. I'm having a really hard time getting my IR blaster working :(
[22:20:14] Dagmar: lando__: Not likely.
[22:20:26] lando__: the frustrating thing is I had it working about a year and a half ago, and it's just been sitting on a shelf between then and now
[22:20:37] Dagmar: lando__: For one, you'd need a special cable to connect them. Host devices do not talk to other host devices on a USB bus without that special cable
[22:20:39] lando__: (and by IR blaster, I mean one purchased from irblaster.info)
[22:20:59] lando__: Dagmar: sure, that's assumed
[22:21:27] lando__: I actually used to have a USB host-host cable like that, but I'm not sure what I did with it ;/
[22:21:33] Dagmar: For the other, doing so would require something above the normal level of USB support... You'd likely need a particular kernelspace driver
[22:21:41] lando__: ah, ok
[22:22:27] lando__: so maybe someone has an idea what might be going on with my IR blaster then... it's not emitting any IR, even though lirc & the kernel module seem to be running just fine
[22:22:42] lando__: and I'm pretty certain I'm on the right com port (I've tried both)
[22:23:54] fryfrog: weird, why would syslog and klogd be using up almost 150% on my server?
[22:24:09] Dagmar: fryfrog: SOmething spinning like mad?
[22:24:46] fryfrog: yeah :/
[22:24:52] Dagmar: fryfrog: It'll basically absorb repeated messages. Go to /etc/syslog.conf and make a "kitchensink" log target for *.* so it will log whatever it's probably not set to log now
[22:24:57] pigeon: will myth keep dvb subtitles after a transcode?
[22:25:20] gbee: ok, for anyone who was interested, this is a _working_ version of the patch I posted earlier – http://pastebin.ca/414233
[22:25:23] Dagmar: You can break the repeat cycle by running `logger blah` to write something manually to the syslog and it'll log the line that's being repeated over and over and go back to counting the duplicates
[22:27:20] gbee: like I said, almost certainly won't get committed in that form – seems more likely now that I'll replace libid3tag with taglib and so it would only complicate things to commit now and rewrite it in a week
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[22:29:18] Dagmar: OKay, I've logged the misnaming into trac as Ticket 3268
[22:29:33] Dagmar: It's even odds that I'll wind up chasing it down and fixing myself next week
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[22:35:00] Chai_Sangeen: i have problems with my setting fonts and folder fonts they are really small, a myth user suggested to use "mythfrontend --reset" that reverted to the default settings. But font is still small ..
[22:36:15] Chai_Sangeen: i was check the fints out and at the same time i corrected my xorg.conf to my display "1360x768" could that cause the prob?
[22:40:38] akifdino: nm
[22:41:35] Dagmar: Dude, you need to force your DPI
[22:41:59] Dagmar: Look in the wiki and it will explain how to do it using the DisplaySize argument, or a couple of other ways
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[22:42:24] Dagmar: The DPI for the display *must* be seen by X as 100x100 or it will continue to screw up font sizes
[22:42:35] akifdino: how can i find out if xmltv_prisma did grep programm information? since i do also receive via dvb
[22:43:21] gbee: run it :) ./xmltv_grab_prisma
[22:43:57] akifdino: i did, it greps it but the mythdatabase and the programinformation are not far different
[22:45:32] gbee: look at the output of mythfilldatabase – it should give some statistics (number of programmes updated/insterted etc)
[22:45:50] akifdino: gbee: ok
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[22:46:39] akifdino: xmltv_prisma does also call mythfilldatabase, doesn't it? i let it greb it when i was away unfortunately
[22:48:26] gbee: mythfilldatabase calls xmltv_prisma, not the other way around (unless I'm missing something)
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[22:48:46] akifdino: gbee: but i did call it myself
[22:50:38] gbee: running xmltv_prisma doesn't insert data into mythtv's database, you have to run mythfilldatabase which either reads an input file or calls xmltv_prisma itself and reads the output
[22:50:39] Chai_Sangeen: Dagmar, thanx for your help let me try search it in the wiki :)
[22:50:55] gbee: I'm off to bed
[22:51:18] Dagmar: Chai_Sangeen: Use the search box and you absolutely can't fail
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[22:51:50] Chai_Sangeen: Dagmar, lol thanx :)
[22:53:18] akifdino: how do i tell mythfilldatabase to use xmltv_prisma?
[22:55:42] Chai_Sangeen: Dagmar, is this fine :https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Len . . . 7C%28font%29
[22:56:22] Chai_Sangeen: Dagmar, sorry it the semicolon forgot to insert space..
[22:56:57] Dagmar: Test it and see.
[22:57:09] Dagmar: The instructions in the wiki are pretty explicit. I wrote the Display_Size page
[22:57:16] akifdino: can i mix xmltv and dvb's epg information?
[22:58:34] Chai_Sangeen: Dagmar, okay ill do that and report back
[22:58:49] Chai_Sangeen: Dagmar, what the link of your article?
[23:01:59] Chai_Sangeen: Dagmar, i think it already there here the conf of my xorg.conf do you mind looking at it http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12673/
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[23:03:05] Como|Lappy: http://www.netman86.com/pics/rndslr/tn_IMG_5267.JPG yay for mythtv in the making
[23:06:55] ByteChanger: hi all.
[23:07:18] Chai_Sangeen: Hiii
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[23:09:02] ByteChanger: Does anyone know what to do to prevent disk full scenario's? the backend keeps complaining the disk is full...
[23:09:23] gbee|sleep: you have auto-expire disabled?
[23:09:57] ByteChanger: hmm, i didn't disable it... I'll check... is that in mythtv-setup or the frontend setup?
[23:10:30] ByteChanger: trying to study for my cisco skills test... maybe this is a good thing... lol
[23:10:37] akifdino: can i mix xmltv and dvb's epg information?
[23:12:16] Chai_Sangeen: im also having trouble with dvb epg i imported the transponders via channel.conf but no epg
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[23:15:39] ByteChanger: gbee|sleep: Where is that auto-expire menu? Can't seem to find it...
[23:17:00] ByteChanger: Chai_Sangeen: You can import transponders ... kewl! i didn't know that.. I was imputing them manually... ack...
[23:18:49] Chai_Sangeen: ByteChanger, you can all channels will come but seems no epg can u help with that ?
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[23:21:03] ByteChanger: Chai-Sangeen: Can't help sorry. Currently all my DN sat info is 'unknown'. ...
[23:21:08] ByteChanger: :-(
[23:21:35] ByteChanger: hmm, there is a 'Extra Disk Space (in GB)'.... It is set to 1... seems kinda low...
[23:22:34] ByteChanger: max age is set to 1... uggg...
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[23:24:17] Chai_Sangeen: ByteChanger, thanx anyways :)
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[23:29:54] TauPan: Hi, is there some way to configure nice levels for processes started from the backend? mythcommflag kinda spoils watching tv while it's running
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[23:34:20] j2^: Goodevening!
[23:35:14] j2^: I've been over the list archives, Wiki and similar, but i still wonder: Does it exist a util to be able to send a mythtvosd message from a windows box?
[23:39:21] TauPan: ah found it
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[23:42:49] ectospasm: I'm wondering if this would be a good starter base for a mythtv box: http://www.cappuccinopc.com/anjing-sp.asp
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[23:58:52] tha_toadman: would anyone here be able to help me troubleshoot LIRC? i know for a fact that works but after i rebooted...it's not working
[23:59:52] tha_toadman: i'm getting the same anomoly as this section here (about running lircd) ... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:Lir . . . _lircd.2Firw

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