Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, March 19th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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gardengnome:

i used to use joe and nano a lot

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gardengnome:

now it's just vi,

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gardengnome:

err, vim

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akifdino:

hi there, hi gardengnome

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kinection:

never really used gedit, vim was the first editor i ever used, which was quickly followed by the first hard reset

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harryman100:

Hi, I'm having a problem with mythweb in opera – it refuses to display in anything other than japanese. – however, when I use safari it works fine (displays in english)

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clever[rev]:

edit it good for copying and pasting large chunks

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tank-man:

harryman100, goto settings and change the language

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kinection:

... how do you delete one card without deleting them all?

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harryman100:

tank-man: I've donne that

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harryman100:

the change makes no difference

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Zazza_76:

how can I delete a trasport in the gui?

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Zazza_76:

I mean transport

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gardengnome:

highlight it and hit "m" or "d"

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Zazza_76:

thank you very much gardengnome

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gardengnome:

np :)

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tha_toadman:

good evening all

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tha_toadman:

my googling came up with nothing...so here i ask...is it possible to xfer shows from one mythtv backend to a newer one

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kinection:

so, Cardoe how did you get sound to work?

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Cardoe:

There's nothing special

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Cardoe:

it's mpeg

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Cardoe:

so the sound and the video are in the same stream

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Cardoe:

if sound isn't working then maybe your output isn't on

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kinection:

i can get sound from playing videos using mplayer... although it's not an mpeg.

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kinection:

and well, i'm using v4l right now, analog

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kinection:

what do you mean by main mythtv half?

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clever[rev]:

mythtv itself

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clever[rev]:

with the front/backends

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kinection:

oh, yea, it's installed. i can watch analog tv on mythtv

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kinection:

just without sound

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clever[rev]:

ahh:)

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sigger_:

me? its either usr/include or usr/local/include I believe. but I'm just trying to find out how to do it right rather than just git 'er done.

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clever[rev]:

one crude way

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clever[rev]:

find the gcc line thats failing

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tank-man:

kinection, what sound system are you using? alsa or oss?

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kinection:

it should be alsa

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tank-man:

does any other apps work with sound?

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clever[rev]:

in my crude setup i didnt bother trying to get the aud input on my bt848 card working

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clever[rev]:

i just added a pci card for the tv in and out and used that

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clever[rev]:

could be your audio input thats messed up

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tank-man:

is mp3blaster and mplayer using alsa ?

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kinection:

tank-man: mplayer "AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 2ch s161e (2 bytes per sample)"

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kinection:

so yea

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kinection:

tank-man: HD-5500 from pcHDTV

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clever[rev]:

my dsp is from the onboard audio card

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clever[rev]:

and the dsp1 is a pci aud card

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kinection:

hmm, i have dsp and dsp1 too... dunno which goes to what

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clever[rev]:

-ao alsa:device=hw=ALS4000

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clever[rev]:

that option for mplayer foces it to use a certain alsa device

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clever[rev]:

look in /proc/asound for a list of the devices

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clever[rev]:

there the symlinks to cardX

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clever[rev]:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Mar 18 19:36 ALS4000 -> card1

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clever[rev]:

dr-xr-xr-x 4 root root 0 Mar 18 19:36 card1

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clever[rev]:

thats one way to test the 2 alsa devices to see which is which

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clever[rev]:

you can also force it to /dev/dsp1 using -ao oss=/dev/dsp1

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sigger_:

clever[rev], interesting but it doesn't show me it trying to open the header file.

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kinection:

cd hmm, yea. i have one from my tuner and one from my nvidia chipset

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clever[rev]:

sigger: you could try adding a -f to the strace

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sigger_:

I'm sure its just a matter of me having the wrong dir in Makefile or .pro or something. Just not sure which one to change

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sigger_:

ok

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clever[rev]:

it will also follow the forks off the gcc

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clever[rev]:

catching any prog gcc starts

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sigger_:

I get invalid system call with -f

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clever[rev]:

-f -e trace=open

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clever[rev]:

you might have beenn mixing the optiosn in the wrong order

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sigger_:

ya checked man. got that thanks. much data. checking

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clever[rev]:

yeah

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clever[rev]:

without the -e trace=open you would get TONS more

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clever[rev]:

you could maybe 2>logfile

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clever[rev]:

the tracing goes out to stderr(2) and redirecting to a log lets you grep the header file out

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kinection:

clever[rev]: alright, got correct sound device now and things are working, although with a high pitched squeal or something in the background

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clever[rev]:

i sometimes get a random painfull noise on my sound card

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clever[rev]:

muting pcm is a temp fix

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clever[rev]:

then i use lsof to track down every program using audio and kill them one by one

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clever[rev]:

last time it was esd

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clever[rev]:

which is another software mixer

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clever[rev]:

im guessing esd crashed and was feeding a single sharp tone to alsa

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kinection:

well, it only does that for mythtv though

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clever[rev]:

ahh:S

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kinection:

i'm going to install mythmusic and stuff

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clever[rev]:

i get a low humming on my setup

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clever[rev]:

probly 60hz noise getting into my wires

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clever[rev]:

when playig back recordings on the laptop which has a better sealed audio system

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clever[rev]:

i can hear the noise still

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clever[rev]:

which is a sign of that noise being in the input to the recorder

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sigger_:

got the prob. it seems to look in /usr/local/include but not /usr/local/include/mythtv. should I be changing .pro or Makefile (or something else)?

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clever[rev]:

not shuire

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** clever[rev] has a look there **

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clever[rev]:

what was the error again?

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clever[rev]:

the exact msg

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sigger_:

1 sec

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sigger_:

mytharchive/mytharchive/archiveutil.cpp:18:35: error: libmythtv/programinfo.h: No such file or directory

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clever:

now i can check on my archiveutil.cpp and see what it might be doing

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clever[rev]:

#include <libmythtv/programinfo.h>

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clever[rev]:

matches the path in the error exact;y

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clever[rev]:

path probly cant be edited thru the makefile

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clever:

not directly

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sigger_:

hmm, its gotta be one of these buggers

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clever:

whats the gcc line that runs it?

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sigger_:

g++ -c -pipe -Wall -W -O2 -D_REENTRANT -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -DQT_SHARED -DQT_TABLET_SUPPORT -I/usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/default -I. -I. -Imytharchive/mytharchive -Imythbrowser/mythbookmarkmanager -Imythbrowser/mythbrowser -Imythcontrols/mythcontrols -Imythflix/mythflix -Imythgallery/mythgallery -Imythgame/mythgame -Imythhello/mythhello -Imythmusic/mythmusic -Imythmusic/mythmusic/goom -Imythnews/mythnews -Imythphone/mythp

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sigger_:

hone -Imythphone/mythphone/gsm -Imythvideo/mtd -Imythvideo/mythvideo -Imythweather/mythweather -Imythzoneminder/mythzmserver -Imythzoneminder/mythzoneminder -I../../include/qt3 -o archiveutil.o mytharchive/mytharchive/archiveutil.cpp

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clever:

it might need a -I/usr/local/include/mythtv/ but im not shure

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clever:

append it to the end and try manualy making the file

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sigger_:

it does. I'm now just trying to put it in a place that won't get overwritten when I do qmake or other such

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wolfspiri1:

irsend: command failed: SEND_ONCE dish 1

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wolfspiri1:

irsend: hardware does not support sending

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wolfspiri1:

irsend: command failed: SEND_ONCE dish 2

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wolfspiri1:

irsend: hardware does not support sending

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wolfspiri1:

irsend: could not connect to socket

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wolfspiri1:

irsend: No such file or directory

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clever[rev]:

sigger: INCPATH = -I/usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/default -I. -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/kde/3.3/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/mythtv -I/usr/local/include/mythtv/ffmpeg -I/usr/local/include/mythtv/libmythtv -I/usr/in

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clever[rev]:

thats from my Makefile

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clever:

it got cliped but you can see some of the key paths

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wolfspiri1:

I get this even after compiling and installing the module for the irblaster as a sending enabled

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sigger_:

ya

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clever:

wolfspiri1: did you --enable-transmit?

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clever[rev]:

i had to compile the module with this line when usig a serial based ir blaster on the 1st serial port

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sigger_:

ok, confirmed adding the inc path works. But running qmake will overwrite the whole thing. now I need to find out how to fix it for qmake

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clever[rev]:

$ ./configure --with-transmitter --with-driver=serial --with-port=0x3f8 --with-irq=4

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clever:

never used qmake directly before

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clever:

and it builds fine when i use just 'make' in the upper folder

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clever:

mythplugins

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sigger_:

it actually bonked while compiled bookmarkmanager.cpp in mythbrowser

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sigger_:

actually the start point for the whole thing is ./configure so I can fix it there.

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sigger_:

dunno what to do with that .cpp tho

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atarinox:

does anybody know of an estimated base price for building a myth box, assuming i dont have any old components laying around to use?

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clever:

i managed to make it for under <50 using leftover parts i had all over the house

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clever:

only had to buy a few bits for the ir blaster

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atarinox:

and you can encode/watch in realtime?

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clever:

bearly

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clever:

the card is OLD

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sigger_:

clever, you had a lot of leftover parts then ;)

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clever:

it needs a ton of cpu power to do both at once

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clever:

its a 1.6ghz desktop

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clever:

and a framegrabber card

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clever:

but im able to stream it to my laptop in realtime and watch there

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clever:

needs <700mhz to playback the video

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atarinox:

hmmm ok

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atarinox:

so im prob looking at 400–500 for the whole system

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clever:

the video moves at arround 300kb/sec over my wifi when playing on the laptop

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clever:

which is 6 times my dsl upload

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clever:

so no way to stream to the laptop over the web

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clever:

have to be in the house for it to work:(

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atarinox:

yeah

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clever:

if you get a better input card

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clever:

it will need alot less cpu power to run

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clever:

i know some people running multiple cards in 1 box

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atarinox:

and did you just install one of the linux distros on your box?

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v jams

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clever:

i put ubuntu on my 1.6ghz a while ago

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clever:

when xp crapped out on me

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atarinox:

seems like there might be some compatibility issues with all those cards

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clever:

then i got bored and shoved a old tv card in it to see if it worked

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clever:

my dad claimed it would never work

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clever:

drivers where allready installed to begin with:P

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clever:

ubuntu seems to keep a small pile of drivers laying arround just incase

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clever:

but it took a few days to figure out how to use video input devices on linux

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atarinox:

hah yeah

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clever:

then i later discovered mythtv

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sigger_:

anyone know why I might be getting this compile error in mythplugins? mythbrowser/mythbookmarkmanager/bookmarkmanager.cpp: In member function ‘void BookmarksConfig::setupView()’:

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sigger_:

mythbrowser/mythbookmarkmanager/bookmarkmanager.cpp:305: error: ‘PREFIX’ was not declared in this scope

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sigger_:

mythbrowser/mythbookmarkmanager/bookmarkmanager.cpp: In member function ‘void Bookmarks::slotBookmarksViewExecuted(QListViewItem*)’:

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sigger_:

mythbrowser/mythbookmarkmanager/bookmarkmanager.cpp:530: error: ‘PREFIX’ was not declared in this scope

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sigger_:

I have not touched the .cpp file

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clever:

like 305

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clever:

browser->setText(gContext->GetSetting("WebBrowserCommand", PREFIX "/bin/mythbrowser"));

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sigger_:

thats the one

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clever:

PREFIX might be set elsewhere

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** clever searches... **

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clever:

./configure: --prefix=PREFIX MythTV install location PREFIX [$prefix]"

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clever:

its probly got a default though because it worked without that for me

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clever:

./mythconfig.mak:PREFIX=/usr/local

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clever:

(END)

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clever:

did configure finish without errors?

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chuggs:

What happens to all your old .NUV recordings when you upgrade to a newer version of Myth?

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clever:

it could be a -D to gcc which defines it

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GreyFoxx:

chuggs: Nothing

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clever:

chuggs: if the mysql is intact they should be kept

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GreyFoxx:

clever: It is passed in via gcc

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wolfspiri1:

clever: yes I did the enable-transmit but I used the serial line and it's actually not a serial device.. at least I don't think so.. it may be recognized as a serial device but it's not a serial port

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GreyFoxx:

sigger: Did you compile and install mythtv before tryihg to do the plugins ?

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wolfspiri1:

it's the IR blaster that comes with the new pvr-150.. it plugs into a port that looks similar to a an audio line ine

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sigger_:

GreyFoxx, yes

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sigger_:

make && make install

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sigger_:

then in mythplugins, ./configure (comes out OK) qmake, make (fails)

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GreyFoxx:

you do not need to run qmake

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GreyFoxx:

just configure and make

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gardengnome:

PREFIX is probably defined in some header..

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GreyFoxx:

it is

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banyan:

Can someone with mplayer working in fc6 on an i386 platform look to see what repo they got their mplayer, faac, faad2, ffmpeg and ffmpeg-libs packages from?

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sigger_:

qmake was per README, but did also try without qmake

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clever:

ive never used qmake

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clever:

and it works fine for me

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wolfspiri1:

banyan: follow these instructions: http://www.gagme.com/greg/linux/fc6-tips.php

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** GreyFoxx removes the qmake line from the plugins readme **

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sigger_:

clearing out the plugins dir and re checking out to start with clean Makefile etc

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banyan:

thanks, that was starting to iss-pay me off-ay.

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clever:

i started playing with loading a private X just for mythtv and now im manualy loading X for normal use just for the fun of it:P

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wolfspiri1:

fedora in general issed-pay me off

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clever:

i just run Xorg and then a few base clients like metacity(window manager) and gnome-panel(to get a few buttons to load more clients)

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clever:

dpi also seems to be off when loading manualy causing the windows to look diff a tad

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wolfspiri1:

I was thinking that mythtv as it's own window manager/desktop environment would make sense.. never load anything else besides myth

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clever:

i can use mythfrontend without even touching a window manager

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clever:

but if it starts a child X program the focus is lost on that childs exit

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GreyFoxx:

wolfspiri1: Many do that, and it's find as long as you don't run external apps

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clever:

then i cant realy do crap till i load metacity and alt+tab to mythfrontend

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GreyFoxx:

if you spawn external apps for mythgame, dvd or videos you can run nto focus problems

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wolfspiri1:

? what is it just the web interface?

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clever:

technicaly im running mythwelcome which runs mythfrotnend

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clever:

and once fe exits i loose focus and cant do anything

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clever:

if it was lirc based it probly wouldnt matter

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clever:

since the mythwelcome is up but just not receiving mouse/keyboard

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banyan:

somebody has to basically decide who's maintaining a few of these packages and exclude them from other repos with alternative packagings.

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sigger_:

well, so far so good with compiling svn, I must have qmake -project in mythplugins and borked it

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banyan:

Right in the yum repo files.

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GreyFoxx:

banyan: good luck with that :)

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JoeyJoeJo:

I'm using Xgl in gentoo, but when I start watching live or recorded tv, it Xgl crashes

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banyan:

All I'm saying is, if the distro maintainers can't work it out with the package maintainers, then maybe the users have to basically bless one and deprecate the others.

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clever:

my distro package was mythtv 0.18

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clever:

ugh:P

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sigger_:

you can always compile it m(_)m

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clever:

yeah im using svn trunk:P

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clever:

update the code every time i get bored

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sigger_:

I have been for last few days, but I've started adding some code and must have messed the makefile

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clever:

svn diff

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clever:

read it over

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clever:

i beleive it spits out a diff of your changes

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sigger_:

eh, I saved the new files and just checked out new copy. already done with make install.

[01:34:22]

clever:

ahh lol

[01:34:40]

clever:

when i put myth on a second pc(laptop) instead of doing another slow checkout

[01:34:46]

clever:

i copyed the entire build dir

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clever:

then just did svn update/make clean/./configure/make

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sigger_:

smart... or perhaps, clever

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clever:

:P

[01:35:27]

clever:

copying over 100mbit is faster then 150kb/sec max dsl

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sigger_:

thanks again for the help. I'll be a little more careful in figuring out how to incorporate my files into the build.

[01:42:06]

clever:

:)

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JoeyJoeJo:

I'm using Xgl in gentoo, but when I start watching live or recorded tv, it Xgl crashes.. my recordings play fine in Xgl with mplayer though

[01:43:46]

wolfspiri1:

why would you want beryl on a machine that is supposed to be a pvr?

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clever:

stress testing the system?:P

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wolfspiri1:

it's probbaly crashing because encoding video is a cpu intensive thing and then beryl/XGL/compiz/AIGLX is as well

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JoeyJoeJo:

wolfspiri1: it's my everyday computer and I just watch stuff from my backend on it

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stevenm:

What would cause mythweb to segfault apache ?

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wolfspiri1:

beryl with vmware on my work laptop would crash it.. had to turn off the composite manager

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onewheelskyward:

oh hey steven. :) Have you tried out your PHP install?

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clever:

JoeyJoeJo: im using my everyday laptop as a frontend also:P

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stevenm:

onewheelskyward, hi. let's talk in here

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onewheelskyward:

Sounds good.

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stevenm:

onewheelskyward, so I emerge everything.. this is mythweb 0.20. Without adding the AllowOverride stuff to httpd.conf, mythweb.php reports an error saying that the database options are not set up

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stevenm:

as soon as I paste the options into httpd.conf to AllowOverride All on the mythweb directory, this starts to happen

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onewheelskyward:

Oh, that's good. It sounds like PHP is up and running.

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clever:

i tryed to install cacti a while ago and it ran down to 0bytes free

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onewheelskyward:

What's your platform and how did you install apache, php and mythweb?

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clever:

which caused apache's kids to segfault when opening it

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clever:

reinstalling cacti fixed it

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clever:

cacti is php/rdd/apache based

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stevenm:

onewheelskyward, I am on x86 and I used gentoo's emerge to install all three

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onewheelskyward:

That's odd, clever. Stevenm, have you installed any other web apps?

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stevenm:

onewheelskyward, never have. this is my first time using apache

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clever:

im guessing one of the half made php files or related ones was upsetting apache

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clever:

can gdb list the open files when viewing a attached program or core?

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stevenm:

So what can I do ?

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clever:

maybe get a backtrace of apache

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clever:

but if apache is using multiple child proc's that can get tricky

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stevenm:

How can I do that if it is a child process?

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clever:

you could just attach gdb to 1 kid

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clever:

then reload mythtv 40 times and start killing the kids off with segfaults

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clever:

till you kill the right one

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stevenm:

It shows up as this: [Sun Mar 18 21:51:12 2007] [notice] child pid 18710 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)

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stevenm:

Hmm

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clever:

yeah by then its too late to attach

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clever:

grab a kid

[02:01:08]

clever:

then start killing kids at random

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clever:

as you kill them off the size of the child pool should shrink

[02:01:52]

clever:

it will probly kill the chosen one after a little luck

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stevenm:

ok, I have GDB attached. Reload a bunch of times?

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clever:

might also be apache options to fix it but those take a bit of research to find:P

[02:02:12]

clever:

yeah

[02:02:18]

clever:

go on a child killing rampage:P

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stevenm:

that was quick. 2 reloads

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stevenm:

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.

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stevenm:

[Switching to Thread -1233830992 (LWP 18933)]

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stevenm:

0xb79958fd in zend_call_function () from /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so

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clever:

:)

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clever:

bt f

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clever:

pastebin

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stevenm:

yeah good call

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stevenm:

http://pastebin.ca/401047

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clever:

looks like the crash is within php

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clever:

do you know how to rebuild the php module with debug info?

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stevenm:

since it's gentoo, is it something like, USE=debug FEATURES=nostrip emerge php ?

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clever:

i havent used gentoo yet

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stevenm:

or do you use something else

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stevenm:

oh

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stevenm:

I can try

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onewheelskyward:

I'm checking my php use flags.

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clever:

i used ubuntu

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clever:

binary package based

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stevenm:

onewheelskyward, thanks.. any special flags I should set, besides the ones that mythweb mentions ?

[02:06:51]

onewheelskyward:

I know I have some extras due to phpmyadmin, but let me see what's there. It's not a great idea to emerge -av while running a sync . :) Takes forever.

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tale_:

I'm trying to determine why mplayer stretches divx files when invoked from mythtv, but when I watch the movie using totem, it looks fine. I don't see this problem in the gossamer-threads.

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stevenm:

onewheelskyward, ah. I see a debug flag that can be enabled

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onewheelskyward:

Yeah that should do the trick

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stevenm:

no apache flag ?

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stevenm:

ah apache2

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onewheelskyward:

I use apache2, so, no.

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onewheelskyward:

Yep exactly

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clever:

im also apache2

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stevenm:

ok. apache2 here as well

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stevenm:

ok, building that

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onewheelskyward:

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.

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stevenm:

:) thx. i had to switch the threads use flag, that's the only thing

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clever:

whats the main diff's between gentoo and a binary distro

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onewheelskyward:

time to install?

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onewheelskyward:

That and you get to compile _everything_.

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stevenm:

still compiling..

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clever:

id think the compiler and emerge would be binary for any cpu at first:P

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onewheelskyward:

distcc is your friend.

[02:17:37]

clever:

so you have something to build the better stuff with

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onewheelskyward:

clever: fair enough. :)

[02:18:02]

onewheelskyward:

Although emerge is just a python sscript.

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clever:

i use distcc for mythtv building

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clever:

builds using a pair of ubuntu 6.06's

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clever:

which both run frontend

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clever:

but that reminds me of an old idea

[02:18:45]

clever:

load up all of your remote frontends

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clever:

and distcc them up

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clever:

5 frontends with atleast 700mhz each would give a good boost

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onewheelskyward:

yep that's not bad at all.

[02:19:32]

clever:

you could get a wake on lan working on all the frontends

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clever:

so you can fire them up on deman remotely for compiling

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GreyFoxx:

distcc is handy for sure

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clever:

and if they nfs boot from a shared nfs root

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clever:

then the compilers will match perfectly between dist hosts

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GreyFoxx:

I use distcc on all my machines. That and ccache makes recompiles fairly quick

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clever:

i beleive i have ccache on all of them too

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clever:

but only using distcc with 2 hosts

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sigger_:

I tried distcc but time skew was botching it. ntpd didn't solve it to my surpirse

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clever:

i tryed it once before using just a ubuntu and a redhat9 but it didnt work well

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GreyFoxx:

4 frontends, 1 frontend/backend, 1 slave backend, my firewall, vmware running on my wifes machines, and 2 hosts at my office which I have afast connection to so it's usually not too painful

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clever:

i was using nfs for a build dir on a poor system

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clever:

and make complained of horible clock skew

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clever:

1hour diff:P

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clever:

ntp fixed it up

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clever:

i was wondering

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clever:

if i loadup distcc in vmware on my 2.9ghz xp

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clever:

would that give a good boost?

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GreyFoxx:

sure

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clever:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

I run vmware on my work laptop, and on my wifes machine to add to the mix

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onewheelskyward:

Heck yeah.

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clever:

right now im building using a 1.6ghz and a 700mhz/1ghz

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clever:

the laptop can underclock to save batery power

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clever:

and the niced distcc's dont get counted by the powernowd

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clever:

but i can manualy force it to 1ghz when i feel like it

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clever:

im also using hamachi vpn(closed source)

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clever:

when you init it the first time you generate a uniq pub/private key pair

[02:25:41]

clever:

and automaticaly reg it and get a static ip assigned to you

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clever:

in the 5.0.0.0/8 range

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clever:

you can then join virtual networks within the server

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clever:

and any1 in the same network as you can fetch your real ip/port

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clever:

they can then send encrypted udp packets there which your client will decrypt and inject into the virtual interface

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clever:

i beleive it can even forward ethernet based packets over that vpn

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clever:

i mostly use the ip for ssh sessions to a box which might be behind a firewall as a unkown ip

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stevenm:

Okay.... rebuilt PHP with debug, mythweb "works"

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clever:

lol how well?

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stevenm:

It looks very plain and confusing

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stevenm:

I think I need a theme

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stevenm:

I read somewhere something about playing with zlib if the themes dont look right>

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clever:

whats odd with the theme?

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stevenm:

I don't think there is one. It is just black text on a white background, with blue links.

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clever:

lol

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stevenm:

It does not look like the screenshots

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stevenm:

Maybe it is normal

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onewheelskyward:

You probably are missing the theme. Sounds like the CSS isn't there.

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clever:

it worked fine for me when i used it

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clever:

i just copyed the mythweb fron the mythplugings folder over to www root

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stevenm:

Ah ok. As I mouse over seemingly empty areas of the main page, the images at the bottom change.

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clever:

and stuck a mod'd mythweb.conf.apache in /etc/apache2/conf.d/

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clever:

theres an dir include covering that dir in most distros to let a package plug conf into apache without having to mod and merge into the main conf file which may have custom stuff in it

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stevenm:

Also, changing any settings has no effect

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clever:

check the apache access logs

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clever:

might be 404's on the css files

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stevenm:

nope, no 404s

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clever:

check the html source for any css includes

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stevenm:

they're there

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clever:

check the logs to see if there loading

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stevenm:

[02:39:07]

clever:

could be your browser:P

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stevenm:

they are being loaded

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clever:

:S

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stevenm:

it's standard firefox...

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

its ie6 that has bugs with mythweb

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clever:

ie7 and ff dont have problems for me

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stevenm:

let me grab mythtv-themes again real fast

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stevenm:

the only type of theme it shows is 'compact' and 'grey' is the only skin

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high-rez:

So, I switched from the PVR-USB2 to a PVR-500... I resetup everything in mythtv, but it's not working. If I cat /dev/vdeo0 > file.mpg and play it it works. But myth is trying to record, however I just get 1 kilobyte files

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high-rez:

Any ideas why that might be?

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stevenm:

aw NUTS

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stevenm:

so I copied mythweb from the package to htdocs

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stevenm:

php is crashing again.

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stevenm:

http://pastebin.ca/401091

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stevenm:

that

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stevenm:

in zend_objects.c: no such file or directory

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stevenm:

clever, ideas ?

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high-rez:

awww never mind i was just dumb :D

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fuseX:

hi

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clever:

no idea:(

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fuseX:

anyone here using mythtv on the ps3?

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clever:

but a backtrack might be more helpfull with a better expert

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clever:

#apache might be able to use it

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clever:

or #php

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high-rez:

Do you guys have any estimates on the number of streams that you can record at once on a single disk? I'm doing about 6megabit...

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tjcarter:

I mist BSG last week =(

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tjcarter:

Myth box was in transit and I wasn't at a TV in time

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** tjcarter is very sad about this. **

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wolfspiri1:

clever: man I am close to getting ths ir blaster working

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clever:

:)

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jd86:

anyone having a problem where lirc works for a while and then randomly stops controlling frontend but irw still returns button presses?

[03:00:32]

onewheelskyward:

BSG?

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tale_:

can anyone tell me why video would occasionally be jerky, but play fine most of the time? I'm seeing this with the myth dvd player

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wolfspiri1:

for some reason the test script I'm using to test irblaster says "irsend: unknown remote: "blaster"" yet in the lircd.conf it has the blaster remote as the name

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Cardoe:

kinection: Get it going?

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Cardoe:

kinection: which SVN rev did you use?

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kinection:

i got it, i can play stuff now

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kinection:

it's just that sound is a little messed

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Cardoe:

welcome to SVN trunk..

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kinection:

lol

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wolfspiri1:

should the irblaster be blinking?

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kinection:

is there any way to have music continue playing even when you aren't in the music section?

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gr33npho3nix:

hey can anybody help me understand how to convert the files recorded by mythtv to mpeg? I have been looking around and a lot of the solutions I found leave me with just green in the newly encoded file

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chickeneater:

if I run `irw' and press buttons on a remote, does it mean that my receiver is broken?

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tjcarter:

gr33npho3nix: Recorded with which card?

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wolfspiri1:

chickeneater: it doesn't return anything?

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chickeneater:

wolfspiri1: no :(

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chickeneater:

wolfspiri1: I just built it... there may be a loose connection or something

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chickeneater:

can it be any remote?

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wolfspiri1:

chickeneater: could be the driver.. retrace your steps

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chickeneater:

lirc_sir?

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wolfspiri1:

chickeneater: from what I heard.. yes

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gr33npho3nix:

tjcarter: a Hauppauge WinTV PVR 140 ( i think its a 140), why should the card matter

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tank-man:

pvr 150 ?

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gr33npho3nix:

tjcarter: the recording plays fine in mythfrontend

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tank-man:

pvr 150 already records in mpeg

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gr33npho3nix:

it comes out as a .nuv file

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onewheelskyward:

Is that in the frontend or mythtv-setup?

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gr33npho3nix:

tank-man: well i'll check mythtv-setup cause I haven't seen it in the frontend

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tjcarter:

gr33npho3nix: look at the .mpg file next to the .nuv file

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gr33npho3nix:

i clearly have a different configuration, becuase I don't have an mpg file

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gr33npho3nix:

i did a really basic install

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gr33npho3nix:

sorry on ubuntu

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[R]:

i have noise at the top of my recordings... i used to fix it with overscan, but my ATI card freaks out if i do that, is there any other way to hide the noise?

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gr33npho3nix:

tjcarter: tank-man: maybe you can point me at good guide

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cesman:

gr33npho3nix: which release of mythtv are you using?

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xris:

[R]: get a $20 nvidia card?

[04:00:48]

[R]:

yeah

[04:00:50]

[R]:

i know

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[R]:

i should, that way beryl would work

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xris:

[R]: you could crop it in post-process, but that's a pain

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[R]:

i watch livetv alot

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[R]:

i'm so pissed

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xris:

you can use filters

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xris:

but eats up a lot of cpu

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[R]:

i went home for the week and i forgot to bring back my ir receiver

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gr33npho3nix:

cesman: whats a good quick way to find out, the gui loads very slowly

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[R]:

there, the right scan displacement fixed it

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[R]:

i'm so mad, there was an nvidia 5200 and we were gonna get it for the other myth box, and i was gonna take the 5500 from it

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cesman:

mythfrontend --version

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gr33npho3nix:

cesman: Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3

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gr33npho3nix:

hold on its the version in fiesty i might be able to find more information on the ubuntu site

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cesman:

if you are using 0.20 and have an hardware tuner, the recordings should be .mpg

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gr33npho3nix:

so if i just change .nuv to .mpg i should just be set

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cesman:

_if_ you have a hardware tuner, yes

[04:13:11]

cesman:

but again

[04:13:13]

cesman:

_if_ you have a hardware tuner, yes

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cesman:

if you are using 0.20 and have an hardware tuner, the recordings should be .mpg

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gr33npho3nix:

cesman: can you define hardware tuner. i have a video card that I hook my cable input directly to

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gr33npho3nix:

err, sorry, tuner card (Hauppauge WinTV PRV xxx)

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gr33npho3nix:

sorry its a DBX 401

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gr33npho3nix:

i just found the sticky with the model name

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cesman:

the hauppuage WinTV PVR 1/2/350 and the 500 are hardware tuners

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Cardoe:

xris: you know if I can poke the backend with a HUP to make it reopen the log file?

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cesman:

that isn't an hardware tuner

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cesman:

I had one of those myself

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Cardoe:

xris: without interrupting anything

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cesman:

it uses the CPU to en/decode

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cesman:

so, you recordings are either nupplevideo or rtjpeg

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gr33npho3nix:

cesman: damn, so do I have any options besides a new card?

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gr33npho3nix:

right they seem to be nupplevideo

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cesman:

I don't know

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cesman:

I myself don't know of a method to transcode nupple or rtjpeg to mpeg

[04:18:02]

cesman:

why do you want to transcode to mpeg?

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gr33npho3nix:

cesman: my mythtv box is not in the same area I am in ( a number of miles away @ my parents house) and I would like to be able to transfer shows to my computer here to watch them

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cesman:

well, I suppose you could try nuvexport

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gr33npho3nix:

yeah i tried it. 1) it keeps going past 100% and more frames than it should 2) I don't get any audio

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cesman:

have you tried mytharchive to make a dvd?

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gr33npho3nix:

no i haven't yet, i don't have a disk drive in the machine

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cesman:

or, you can install mythtv at home and simply import the show and .sql...

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gr33npho3nix:

ay, an episode of South Park is 1.7 GB

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gr33npho3nix:

thanks though

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cesman:

you should be able to adjust the setting and get excellent quality at half that

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cesman:

it has been a while since I had a software based tuner, so I cannot recall the setting I used

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cesman:

but an hour show was about 750 megs....

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gr33npho3nix:

thats not bad

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gr33npho3nix:

i mean once i get going i'm sure i can tweak for optimum size/quality ratio the problem is that all pages i've been finding to talka about converting the .nuv files don't seem to work

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cesman:

the quality was good!

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gr33npho3nix:

i think you missed the point in my statement

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gr33npho3nix:

processed: 4416 of 1797 frames at 7.67 fps (245.74%, eta: )

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gr33npho3nix:

that just doesn't look normal to me

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cesman:

perhaps if you provide xris (creator of nuvexport) extensive details, he can help

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gr33npho3nix:

cesman: thanks, i'm gonna let this run overnight and see how it goes, then i'll get back to you guys

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cesman:

you're welcome

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cesman:

rest well

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knowledgejunkie:

Cardoe: You should be able to do a -HUP to rotate logfiles – see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/173901

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ubuntuEdgy:

hi i need to know if the frontend has to be running inorder for tv shows to be recorded ?

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opello:

no, it doesn't

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ubuntuEdgy:

can mythtv wake the computer for recording ?

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opello:

i believe so, but i've never played with that stuff — i imagine your acpi compliant bios has to let that be set from some /proc/acpi/ interface too

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh i know about the bios bit

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ubuntuEdgy:

i only have one issue thou, after a suspend i have no display?

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opello:

no idea on that one

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok thanks, i Will have to just leave the machine on ...for now

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america:

is wireless-g enough to stream tv from the backend

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xris:

gr33npho3nix: nuvexport can only guess about the size of a file from the recordedseek table. If the info isn't there, or is wrong, the total frame count will be incorrect.

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america:

if not i will go buy a new 802.11n router

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america:

anyone?

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america:

so yeah, i timed out, is wireless-g enough to stream tv

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america:

supposing both the backend and the frontend are wireless

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america:

...

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knowledgejunkie:

america: yes – I've used 11g for SDTV with no problems

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america:

awesome

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america:

i wanted an excuse to buy an N router

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stevenm:

Hello. How can I get a specific version of mythplugins? I need specifically 0.20_12802

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knowledgejunkie:

stevenm: you'll prob need to manually checkout that revision from SVN

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stevenm:

knowledgejunkie, yeah, i figured.. I need latest mythweb, but my mythtv needs updating. and it's on my college machine and I am away. and i aint updating myth remotely with 2 days left until Lost

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stevenm:

can't get the proto versions to match up.. latest mythweb too new, the mythweb i have is too old

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stevenm:

need exactly that version

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stevenm:

looks like it's man svn for me

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knowledgejunkie:

stevenm: how have you gotten out of sync on proto versions?

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stevenm:

knowledgejunkie, I use gentoo. their mythweb ebuild is outdated. and my install of mythtv itself is a proto version behind. and i do not want to upgrade the whole mythtv over ssh, since I am not there to test it

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stevenm:

Does anyone know what is the latest revision of SVN where mythweb still uses proto version 31 ?

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Cardoe:

stevenm: where did you get that versioning from?

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Cardoe:

stevenm: because Gentoo I know for a fact is not behind.

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Cardoe:

Gentoo does not use "trunk"

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Cardoe:

Gentoo uses 0.20 and the patches for the stable release.

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stevenm:

Cardoe, Ok that explains it, I must have checked out the wrong thing.

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Cardoe:

So are you trying to use 0.20

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Cardoe:

or trunk?

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stevenm:

Cardoe, gentoo latest is 0.20_p13053, but I have 0.20_p12801

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stevenm:

I am trying to use 0.20

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Cardoe:

I just added 13053 about 3 hrs ago

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Cardoe:

Last time MythWeb for 0.20 was updated was 11671

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Cardoe:

* www-apps/mythweb

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Cardoe:

Latest version available: 0.20_p11671

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Cardoe:

Surprise... It's the latest available.

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stevenm:

Cardoe, and 11671 is the latest version of it, and gentoo is not behind ?

[06:05:56]

Cardoe:

No.

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Cardoe:

Gentoo is on the newest versions of everything from 0.20

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Cardoe:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . /mythplugins

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stevenm:

Hmmm. Alright. I will try it all again. This time with a different version of php

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Cardoe:

what error did you hit?

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stevenm:

I've been trying to get mythweb working for the past two days, alwyas with strange errors

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stevenm:

Cardoe, I hit a PHP5 segfault.

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Cardoe:

sounds like a PHP bug

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Cardoe:

which version of PHP?

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stevenm:

Cardoe, 5.2.1

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Cardoe:

Know how to debug apache?

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stevenm:

Cardoe, I have a backtrace.

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stevenm:

http://pastebin.ca/401091

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stevenm:

Cardoe, besides that, I know nothing about apache or php. At one point mythweb worked, although it looked very plain, weird, nothing like the screenshots (css problem?) but the rest of the times it just crashed PHP

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Cardoe:

hasn't been crashing here.

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stevenm:

With php4, I now have this: Error at /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/includes/init.php, line 114:

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stevenm:

main(includes/objects/Database) [function.main]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory. I guess gentoo didn't autoconfig it or something

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Cardoe:

but then again, I'm not running 5.2.1

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stevenm:

Cardoe, what do you run? I can try that?

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Cardoe:

5.1.6

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stevenm:

Cardoe, will it work with php4, or do I NEED 5?

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PointyPumper:

any new on a windows front end? :/

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Cardoe:

5.1.6-r6

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stevenm:

Cardoe, excellent, I will emerge that now.

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stevenm:

I am glad that the people in here do not want to murder me for mentioning gentoo, unlike other places

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Cardoe:

stevenm: did you use webapp-config?

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Cardoe:

stevenm: well they do...

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Cardoe:

I just happen to be the Gentoo maintainer

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stevenm:

Cardoe, emerge seems to have run webapp-config for me

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Cardoe:

so you've got USE=-vhosts?

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stevenm:

Cardoe, right

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Cardoe:

I can't vouch for PHP being sane

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Cardoe:

even though I just got a @php.net e-mail address

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Cardoe:

basically for the same reasons..

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Cardoe:

we use PHP at work and I had a backtrace and they wouldn't help me

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Cardoe:

I solved it and provided them a patch to fix it

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Cardoe:

they ignored me

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Cardoe:

found another issue... patched that

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Cardoe:

then I started to get loud

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stevenm:

Cardoe, yea, I submitted bt with debug stuff to IRC, noone really seemed to care

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xris:

stevenm: mythweb should work fine for php 4.3+

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Cardoe:

Provided some proof of exploitability and their answer was "congrats... you have CVS commit access.. you're not a maintainer"

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stevenm:

hahaha

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Cardoe:

s/not/now/

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xris:

Cardoe: now I know where to go when I find bugs.

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stevenm:

Cardoe, well, 5.1.6 should be built soon

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xris:

like that stupid friggin' "destroy all objects *before* writing session close data"

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Cardoe:

Easiest project to get CVS commit access to... it's a bit scary.

[06:16:17]

** hads has lost interest in PHP **

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Cardoe:

hads: Forced into it at work.. it kills me daily.

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stevenm:

xris, that sounds like what I hit!! inside zend_objects_destroy_object ?

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Cardoe:

I'm hoping at people I work with miss the e-mail on the mailing list that I'm a new maintainer

[06:17:04]

xris:

stevenm: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2982

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hads:

Yeah, I used to develop with PHP quite a bit but I've been busy having fun with Python lately.

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xris:

they decided that php should destroy all objects before running session_write_close()...

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hads:

It's revived my interest in webdev

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xris:

the official solution is to code a call to that function in the object destructors.

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stevenm:

xris, nah that wasn't what I got.. mine actually segfaulted php

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xris:

stevenm: different issue.

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stevenm:

yep

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xris:

that particular one has just been a pain since the php docs say it started in php 5.0.5, but there are people running 5.2 and later that still don't see it.

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Cardoe:

xris: because they are either using persistent connections

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Cardoe:

so the connections aren't really going away

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Cardoe:

or the fact that it can technically do DB stuff in a diff thread

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Cardoe:

and before it starts killing off the db connection

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Cardoe:

you'll grab a lock on it with writing out more data

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xris:

Cardoe: huh?

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xris:

has nothing to do with persistent connections

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xris:

php would destroy the db object even with persistent connections.

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xris:

afk

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stevenm:

Cardoe, ok, mythweb looks like it may be working, although it looks WEIRD

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stevenm:

Cardoe, instead of looking like this- http://www.mythtv.org/mythimages/mythweb1.png

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stevenm:

Cardoe, it just looks like a white page with black text. no pages, colors, and the images at the bottom change when I mouseover random white space on the page. CSS is not working?

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Cardoe:

stevenm: try tools->error console in Firefox

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Cardoe:

stevenm: you have 0.20_p11671 installed?

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knowledgejunkie:

xris: #3209 seems to have resolved itself

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Cardoe:

Did you edit the configuration?

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stevenm:

Cardoe, I have 0.20_p11671. I edited apache configuration to allow override all, and authentication.

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stevenm:

Cardoe, firefox says none of the CSS was loaded because the mime type is text/plain instead of text/css

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hads:

Hmm, check the apache config

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Cardoe:

check the apache logs

[06:33:01]

Cardoe:

check the .htaccess file

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stevenm:

Cardoe, added to .htaccess. that looks a lot better

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stevenm:

wow, css must be powerful stuff

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onewheelskyward:

Very. :)

[06:38:04]

stevenm:

Thanks everyone for helping me get this thing to work

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stevenm:

I don't suppose people have plans for adding a java/flash plugin for actually watching the recordings :)

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hads:

There's something coming in the next version

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hads:

flash related stuff

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stevenm:

aah neat

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stevenm:

hads, when is next version?

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xris:

knowledgejunkie: thx. must have been a dupe ticket that I didn't notice.

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Cardoe:

stevenm: who knows... you can always check out trunk... and play with it on your own

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Cardoe:

no kormoc around to poke...

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xris:

stevenm: rudimentary support for it in svn trunk. I'll add more as soon as someone can find me a flashvideo player that's gpl compatible.

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xris:

streaming the video straight to the browser is kind of stupid.

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stevenm:

xris, wow. Would the backend stream it in some flv-format?

[06:57:35]

xris:

currently there's a perl script thatpipes through ffmpeg.

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xris:

eventually, it'd be something built into the backend.

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stevenm:

to a flash player, a la youtube ?

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xris:

it'll happen eventually. don't know if it'll make it into .21 or not

[06:57:54]

xris:

yes

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xris:

there are lots of open source ones out there, but they're not under gpl-compatible licenses.

[06:58:21]

stevenm:

so when you click on a recording now, it goes thru ffmpeg, or does it send it to you raw, as it is stored?

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xris:

only found one, which was bsd licensed, and it sucked pretty badly

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xris:

currently just downloads the file

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stevenm:

ah, ok

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xris:

well streams the file via a perl script

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xris:

was hoping to get a summer of code project for someone to design me a player app, but we couldn't come up with enough other projects to bother applying.

[07:00:52]

stevenm:

aah

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knowledgejunkie:

xris: or me :)

[07:01:26]

stevenm:

well what about projects involving HD stuff? another commercial skipper? auto-transcoding to xvid? or something

[07:02:06]

stevenm:

if anything, google would be interested in a web based player... they're all about the web apps

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onewheelskyward:

That's pretty much what Youtube already is.

[07:03:03]

xris:

stevenm: we had a lot of bad luck with the projects last year. people weren't all that interested in trying again.

[07:04:00]

stevenm:

aw, that's a shame

[07:04:08]

stevenm:

i don't really know how any of that works..

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stevenm:

anyways, time to go to sleep. good night guys

[07:17:05]

Cardoe:

any reason why trunk switched to mcpu?

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Dagmar:

Umm... because it's the right flag for the job?

[07:22:40]

Dagmar:

It's just a guess.

[07:25:30]

Dagmar:

It *could* be an attempt to fight global warming.

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Cardoe:

Dagmar: because it's the wrong flag?

[07:49:13]

Cardoe:

Dagmar: considering it's being removed from GCC

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Cardoe:

and it's been marked deprecated for ages.

[07:53:20]

Dagmar:

Ah but that depends on which gcc you have

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juski:

moaning

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy has quit... about time it realised resistance is futile

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jduggan_:

heh

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tj239:

I'm trying to set up mythtv, I have a problem with the mouse arrow showing up on the configuration screens (pardon my newbiness)

[09:30:37]

juski:

?

[09:30:49]

juski:

it should not appear by default

[09:31:49]

tj239:

how do I select, for instance, 'wake on lan'

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gardengnome:

tj239: use your keyboard

[09:32:02]

juski:

amazing!

[09:32:08]

tj239:

ok

[09:32:09]

gardengnome:

mythtv is designed to be operated via a remote or a keyboard

[09:32:11]

gardengnome:

juski: ;)

[09:32:20]

tj239:

ic

[09:32:35]

juski:

you can enable the mouse pointer from within the setup menus of mythfrontend later if you wish

[09:32:59]

gardengnome:

but it's not that useful because only some things can be used with a mouse

[09:33:10]

gardengnome:

it gets irritating when you click on stuff and nothing happens :)

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juski:

I'm used to that from being a Windows user most of my waking life

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gardengnome:

yes, but mythtv doesn't have a hour glass, see?

[09:35:53]

juski:

doesn't it? god I'd never noticed that! ;)

[09:36:09]

gardengnome:

you need to implement that in a theme

[09:36:15]

gardengnome:

right after you make that xxx theme. :)

[09:36:41]

juski:

you know the problem with xxx-wide though?

[09:36:46]

gardengnome:

actually, a theme containing watermarks showing fabio could improve WAF a lot.

[09:36:47]

tj239:

what's recommended for that 2/2 section 'use custom identifier' or 'use wake on lan'

[09:36:54]

juski:

finding copyright free images for it ;)

[09:36:58]

gardengnome:

tj239: if you don't know what it is, you don't need it

[09:37:09]

gardengnome:

juski: ah, i thought it had something to do with stretch marks.

[09:37:11]

juski:

gardengnome: wtf is 'fabio' ?

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gardengnome:

juski: http://www.goveg.com/Buttons/240-fabio.jpg

[09:37:49]

juski:

is that work safe?

[09:38:06]

tj239:

ok. so maybe I will just try it without anything

[09:38:10]

gardengnome:

umm, you'll see some guy's naked chest. suppose it'll be OK.

[09:38:44]

juski:

well if I ever make a theme called projectGAYhem I'll keep that in mind

[09:38:47]

gardengnome:

heh

[09:39:35]

tj239:

ok, so I guess I'm good to go on the installation and I'll crank things up for the first time.

[09:39:38]

juski:

hmmm an idea just popped into my head

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gardengnome:

juski: interesting. that fabio guy was hit in the head by a goose: http://fabioistheword.ytmnd.com/

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tj239:

hmm, just another quick question, Is this like mplayer that someone would be prone to use the commandline alot? Cause I'm not quite adept yet with all the arguments and such.

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[09:45:22]

juski:

tj239: you use commandline stuff to set it up, but once set up, you generally don't need a keyboard :)

[09:45:36]

juski:

definitely not needed for day-to-day use :D

[09:46:11]

juski:

anyone who loves the commandline that much should look at webvcr

[09:46:24]

tj239:

sounds like I will be using it a bit then :)

[09:48:33]

juski:

mythtv has a gui so you don't need to do commandline stuff

[09:48:48]

juski:

hell even backing up my database is automagical

[09:49:41]

tj239:

uhh, I did have some error posts during installing,

[09:51:59]

juski:

'some error posts'.. hmmm descriptive

[09:52:57]

tj239:

let me do a pastebin, if you con't mind looking?

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jduggan_:

morning

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perlmonkey:

hi

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perlmonkey:

I just paid £25 for a PVR 150 MCE, is that a reasonable price?

[09:55:43]

hads:

I paid 150

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tj239:

http://pastebin.ca/401386

[09:55:59]

hads:

But it really depends on the currency I guess.

[09:56:09]

perlmonkey:

phew

[09:56:14]

perlmonkey:

mine has no remote control tho

[09:56:23]

tj239:

pardon the typo earlier : con't=don't

[09:57:11]

perlmonkey:

tj239: do you think it's a good card, does it work well?

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tj239:

my video card? PNY GeForce 7600 GS 512meg AGP

[09:58:07]

tj239:

got it on sale in January

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perlmonkey:

oh sorry

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perlmonkey:

that was meant for hads

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tj239:

np

[10:00:16]

perlmonkey:

hads: do you think it's a good card, does it work well?

[10:02:16]

juski:

perlmonkey: 25 quids? very good price!

[10:02:18]

Dagmar:

It's serious overkill for Myth

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perlmonkey:

cool :)

[10:02:42]

juski:

perlmonkey: was that new?

[10:02:54]

perlmonkey:

Dagmar: is it? I wasn't sure what to get but it seemed to be recommended on the mythtv howto

[10:02:58]

juski:

I paid £37 for my pvr150 MCE OEM (no remmote)

[10:02:59]

Dagmar:

Realistically a 5200 is about as far as one need go for Myth

[10:03:06]

perlmonkey:

its brand new, but oem white box, no remote

[10:03:12]

tj239:

I've only got one Mythtv entry in my Gnome panel menu under sound/video, and it is apparently only for setup cause it closes after 2/2 config. I've been waiting to see if that GUI would come up but it's not showing.

[10:03:14]

juski:

perlmonkey: where from?!

[10:03:22]

Dagmar:

Yeah, well, another way of putting that coudl be "anything but an ATI card" ;)

[10:03:32]

perlmonkey:

juski: off ebay, theres a seller who has several listed

[10:03:42]

juski:

Dagmar: what, even a 3dfx something? ;)

[10:03:53]

Dagmar:

Hell, *probably*

[10:04:00]

Dagmar:

At least those have an X driver that doesn't suck

[10:04:09]

jduggan_:

i paid 60quid for my 150, but it had remote ir receiver/blaster

[10:04:15]

jduggan_:

so worth it imo

[10:04:26]

perlmonkey:

i guess the remote would be useful

[10:04:41]

juski:

perlmonkey: could you pm me the seller details please?

[10:04:50]

perlmonkey:

juski: no probs

[10:06:06]

perlmonkey:

juski: did you get that?

[10:06:37]

juski:

yeah ta :)

[10:06:50]

perlmonkey:

:-) some of the cards have been going for LESS than what i paid

[10:06:57]

perlmonkey:

his stock is running out

[10:07:11]

juski:

that's how I got all my tuners bar one

[10:07:40]

perlmonkey:

I saw another selling offering the remote and IR receiver separate for £20, is that good deal?

[10:07:46]

juski:

yup

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perlmonkey:

cool

[10:08:29]

perlmonkey:

I decided to finally get my mythtv project finished and replace my (very ancient) BT848 card

[10:08:35]

juski:

heheh someone called gbee is bidding on one of them cards

[10:08:47]

perlmonkey:

hehe

[10:09:13]

perlmonkey:

there is a PVR 350 closing soon in the next hour or so

[10:09:18]

juski:

perlmonkey: did I meet you at LRL last year by any chance?

[10:09:42]

perlmonkey:

juski: i never went

[10:09:47]

juski:

heheh so no then

[10:09:55]

Dagmar:

Try adding cheese to your heatsink

[10:10:08]

Dagmar:

It's why they have all those slots on them

[10:10:13]

perlmonkey:

is the 350 superior to PVR 150?

[10:10:30]

juski:

perlmonkey: no

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perlmonkey:

oh

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juski:

you don't need the hardware decoder of the pvr350 – and besides it offers more disadvantages than it has advantages for mythtv users these days

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perlmonkey:

I got some vcr cassettes i need to digitize onto DVD to save on postage as im sending them overseas to a friend, do you think the PVR 150 will be up to it? my PC is only a P3–733/256 hence the need for hw-capable card

[10:12:09]

perlmonkey:

oh right

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juski:

no digital audio out, doesn't support hardware decoding of transcoded material, no support for divx/xvid/etc, no opengl

[10:12:17]

hads:

Hmm, I think a LiveTV group in the recordings screen like the new Watch List group would be useful.

[10:12:19]

juski:

perlmonkey: easy

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perlmonkey:

cool :)

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Dagmar:

hads: It's already there

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hads:

Really? Cool

[10:12:59]

tj239:

well I can tell you all have grown tired of me in here, so maybe I'll just move along.

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perlmonkey:

phew

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hads:

I know you can chage the group filter, but I think the group display is less confusing for people.

[10:13:11]

Dagmar:

Yes, it's just filtered out by default because it would otherwise be hell if you've been channel hopping a lot lately

[10:13:29]

juski:

!trout whiney users

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** MythLogBot slaps whiney with a users trout on behalf of juski... **

[10:13:32]

perlmonkey:

whats up with tj239

[10:14:18]

hads:

Dagmar: Yeah, I mean having the LiveTV in a group rather than mixed in with all the others, sort of like the new Watch List group.

[10:14:31]

Dagmar:

I just uploaded alacarte, so I should be able to move a bit more quickly through Desktop

[10:14:35]

Dagmar:

bleh wrong channel

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juski:

hads: you can make your own groups based on custom regex IIRC

[10:15:29]

hads:

juski: Interesting.

[10:16:21]

hads:

I've just setup our second backend and I'm trying to make it less confusing for my wife to find and watch what is being watched as livetv on the other FE.

[10:16:47]

hads:

Changing the group filter seems a bit fiddly.

[10:16:55]

juski:

change your wife

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juski:

:-P

[10:17:01]

Dagmar:

It likes to slaughter the client for me

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hads:

juski: I'm quite happy with this model thanks :)

[10:17:18]

Dagmar:

I even managed to find a temporal existentialism crash in the build I have that's similar

[10:17:31]

Dagmar:

Try to watch a program that aired in the past and *b0rk* hard crash

[10:19:41]

juski:

herschky berschky boo, herrr ferrrrdy boooshdeee boooo... bork bork bork!

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hads:

Na, the regex thing won't work. I think it'd need to be a setting similar to the Watch List thing.

[10:23:52]

** hads looks at source **

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juski:

good luck getting a feature only you want incorporated ;)

[10:32:30]

juski:

another setup menu option isn't gonna win anybody love from me I tells ya

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hads:

juski: Yes, I am aware of the setup bloat

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hads:

I imagine there's a lot of features in there that one person wanted.

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juski:

actually the setup menu stuff is only ever gonna improve

[10:36:12]

juski:

well that's my HOPE

[10:36:24]

juski:

170 menu screens & counting...

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hads:

Maybe it's a better way than how it's done currently, I think it may be more usable. It's possibly worth getting others opinions on.

[10:37:33]

juski:

playback groups is only something I've played with to make my wife's soap watching go faster

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hads:

Besides, all that would be needed is an option in the "Change Group View" dialog, no settings screens.

[10:38:34]

juski:

ah cool

[10:38:45]

juski:

more theme ui stuff then

[10:39:10]

juski:

it's not that I hate change... I just don't like having to do more work ;)

[10:39:32]

hads:

Which if selected would show a LiveTV group under the All Programs and Watchlist groups

[10:40:03]

hads:

For those that use the functionality to watch LiveTV recordings it may be useful.

[10:40:13]

juski:

dunno how the watch list works, not being an svn user

[10:41:27]

juski:

could be handy for me

[10:41:38]

hads:

I'm finding it very useful.

[10:41:56]

juski:

actually something I'd be looking for is a 'last watched' field for mythvideo

[10:42:15]

hads:

Having that category there gave me the idea that a LiveTV category might work too.

[10:42:31]

juski:

got a load of tv series I've transcoded for later watching, and finding it hard to keep track of what's watched & what isn't

[10:43:37]

hads:

Yeah, ditto that. I've ben thinking about a watched field and Play From... (Beginning|Bookmark) menu for mythvideo ala the watch recordings functionality.

[10:44:07]

juski:

heh sounds more like moving mythtv & mythvideo together, that one

[10:44:21]

juski:

perish the thought.. I mean a converged media solution ;)

[10:44:47]

hads:

:) I guess, I can just see me using those two particular features

[10:45:04]

juski:

it'd make more sense to me to be honest

[10:45:16]

juski:

would make theming easier too ;)

[10:45:22]

hads:

converging you mean?

[10:45:32]

juski:

yeah

[10:45:48]

juski:

you got your video media, have a filter for recordings & whatever...

[10:46:04]

hads:

Yeah. It's something I've pondered too, but not being a dev I keep those type of thoughts to myself :)

[10:46:13]

juski:

nah get em out in the open

[10:46:40]

juski:

nothing wrong with passing ideas around – gets dev cogs whirring sometimes

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hads:

Says he who was shooting down my previous idea 5 minutes ago ;)

[10:47:04]

juski:

open discourse is good

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juski:

I was just presenting an alternative viewpoint

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hads:

Just messing with you :)

[10:48:06]

hads:

I did consider that viewpoint too for the record.

[10:49:27]

hads:

I have loads of series in mythvideo which we watch just like the recordings and it would seem to make sense to have a more converged interface.

[10:57:39]

juski:

I'm gonna have some time soon to look at what I want to do to mythmusic

[11:10:12]

Dagmar:

Gonna wait until you have some alone time for that, eh?

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juski:

yep

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juski:

like the theme blitz – a weekend to myself

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jduggan_:

hrm, so we all get vista and office 2k7

[11:20:18]

jduggan_:

that'll be fun

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juski:

I don't envy you

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Dagmar:

I think my virus scanner would stop that

[11:22:06]

jduggan_:

heh

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jduggan_:

i generally use my linux workstation for most stuff, but have to have one windows box

[11:22:46]

jduggan_:

for some of the stuff that we do

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juski:

the work most of us do here we could all use linux

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juski:

though I expect I'd still need winduhs because of autocad

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Dagmar:

With the work I do I couldn't get by without Linux

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hads:

I need a VM of Windows to test websites but that's about it.

[11:29:22]

jduggan_:

i have to test some shit with frontpage publisher, and some of our monitorin stuff is windows based with no unix alternatives

[11:29:37]

jduggan_:

other than that i use linux for day to day shit

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Dagmar:

Well, at least you don't have Nagios malfunctioning on you then

[11:29:52]

Dagmar:

I suspect I may have to beat my boss about the head and face

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jduggan_:

heh

[11:30:02]

jduggan_:

we're not using nagios here

[11:30:07]

jduggan_:

altho thats a future project

[11:30:07]

Dagmar:

I think that, against my suggestion, he set up Nagios to report to the fucking database server over in the medical center

[11:30:26]

Dagmar:

That would be just asking for trouble like we have seen the last few nights.

[11:30:45]

Dagmar:

Namely, shit going critical, and the first time we know about it, it's 25 minutes later and 3/3 test failures.

[11:30:54]

hads:

Ug

[11:30:58]

Dagmar:

Or not at all, or in another case, two hours later.

[11:31:16]

juski:

I wanna find out where our MAX server lives & how to log into it so I can potter about & make a nice php frontend for it

[11:31:37]

Dagmar:

The biter is I have more experience than half the unix admins, but my job desc more or less requires me to be an eyeball and not actually affect anything.

[11:31:49]

Dagmar:

I need to find a way to subcontract myself to their group.

[11:31:51]

Dagmar:

heh

[11:33:02]

Dagmar:

I'm hoping to hassle him about it this morning, but I think he *might* still be in Philadelphia

[11:33:23]

Dagmar:

We tried to tell him to get his ass to the airport immediately on Friday morning, but he wouldn't listen

[11:33:49]

Dagmar:

"Oh I'll just go there at 1pm and catch an earlier flight"

[11:34:03]

Dagmar:

At 3:30pm, *all* flights in/out of PHL were cancelled.

[11:34:18]

Dagmar:

Like three planes managed to depart between 11am and then

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jduggan_:

why cancelled?

[11:37:46]

jduggan_:

weather?

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juski:

is it lunchytime yet?

[11:48:34]

perlmonkey:

nearly

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hads:

Wow, that was surprisingly easy.

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hads:

I added my LiveTV group already.

[12:02:10]

juski:

to the source?

[12:02:14]

hads:

Yeah

[12:02:20]

juski:

nice one :)

[12:03:28]

juski:

heheh you don't want it knocked back because of bad braces or spacing ;)

[12:03:40]

hads:

Oh it will be at the moment :)

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hads:

My editor automatically indents with tabs

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clever[rev]:

hads: auto identing is sometimes painfull

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clever[rev]:

hads: like when pasting in a chunk thats allready indented

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praet:

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serfrs:

quick question for anyone that knows... What option adjusts the font size for the Program guide?

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clever[rev]:

its probly somewhere under appearance in the setup opition in mythfrontend

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juski:

the xml file

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juski:

no options for it

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clever[rev]:

ahh:(

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juski:

you can specify sizes for the font but they're global throughout the theme

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clever[rev]:

arg

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clever[rev]:

my hotel cut my inet access in the middle of the night

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clever[rev]:

because i wasnt using port 80 enough

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serfrs:

damn.....

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juski:

what's the problem?

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juski:

text not fitting? too big? too small?

[12:45:14]

juski:

what?

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clever[rev]:

i have a php on my site which autoreloads and would fix it but i cant access the site even for some reason

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serfrs:

wonder why my father-in-laws issmalle nough to get the whole description, yet the Guide font size for me can sometimes barely fit the name of the show.. heaven forbid its only a 30 min showing

[12:46:06]

serfrs:

damn spacebar :)

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juski:

maybe you don't have a 100 DPI desktop

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juski:

maybe you don't have the same fonts installed

[12:46:33]

juski:

maybe you're not using the same theme

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serfrs:

well, the guide seems to use the same theme... it never changes regardless what theme i pick

[12:47:03]

juski:

maybe he selected a different font size

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serfrs:

actually I set it up for him... looked that way rotb

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juski:

you specify global UI font sizes in the appearance setup menus within mythfrontend

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serfrs:

ok.. was there

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juski:

you can specify OSD fonts & sizes in the TV playback menu

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serfrs:

the section with small-medium-large

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juski:

*setup menu

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juski:

yeah

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juski:

it's not rocket science

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juski:

plus you should make sure your X is 100DPI

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juski:

with xdpyinfo |grep dots

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serfrs:

all that did was mess with the osd sizes... at least the medium option did

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juski:

if it's not 100, your font sizes will be all over the place

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serfrs:

thx for helping juski :)

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juski:

the OSD font size is controlled from the tv p[layback settings menu not the appearance menu

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juski:

at least that's how I remember it works

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serfrs:

juski, now is the guide display handled by the frontend, or backend?

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serfrs:

yikes, its only 75x75

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serfrs:

on the FE

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clever[rev]:

i heard it works better on 100x100

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serfrs:

how to change it?

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clever[rev]:

somewhere in xorg.conf

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serfrs:

gotcha

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serfrs:

will take a look

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serfrs:

well, it seems as if I have 2 font selections

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serfrs:

one for 100dpi, and another for 75dpi

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clever[rev]:

i think the dpi affects how large the fonts are

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serfrs:

hmmmmm

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juski:

I'm done RTFMing on the product I've not even bought yet. I'm such a manual freak

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clever[rev]:

im on ubuntu atm

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serfrs:

same

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serfrs:

what product is that juski?

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juski:

kenwood mp3 head unit with USB

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gardengnome:

juski: nice. you can bring lots of 50 cent remixes then

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serfrs:

hehehehehhehehe

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serfrs:

some of the clarion HU's are pretty long too

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serfrs:

the manual for my Alpine 4in. components was around 60 pages

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serfrs:

all english

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juski:

50 cent indeed

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juski:

fizzle ma wizzle

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gardengnome:

i watched his "candy shop" video yesterday. horrible. but that's OT ;)

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serfrs:

ebonics

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serfrs:

??

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gardengnome:

juski: http://www.mtv.com/bands/s/snoop_dogg/news_feature_061303/

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quicksilver:

you mean ghetto talk? or you mean, poor white imitations of ghetto talk?

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serfrs:

damn... set it to 100x100... and guide fonts are still big :(

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swel024:

is there anyway to workout why mtd seems to keep dying?

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juski:

I was just curious as to whether there was a term for it or not

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juski:

swel024: not being able to write to the export dir perhaps?

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opello:

juski: snoop doggian?

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quicksilver:

juski: I've heard it called 'ghetto talk' or 'street'

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juski:

yizzle? heheh-izzle

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opello:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shizzle

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swel024:

juski: it works a lot of the time with no problems but will just occasioanlly die as normally i cue up quite a few maybe 15 3hr jobs and it will do some of them then die

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gardengnome:

check its logs

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gardengnome:

if it's started within the frontend, you can find them in the frontend logs AFAIK

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swel024:

gardengnome: where do the frontend logs end up?

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swel024:

nothing comes up in the stdout for frontend

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gardengnome:

nowhere by default. in your terminal window where you started it or you can pass it the -l <somefilename.log> option

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swel024:

gardengnome: thats just outputting stdout/stderr though

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gardengnome:

true.

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gardengnome:

swel024: you'll only mtd output after it's started, btw ;)

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swel024:

should i try including a -v?

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swel024:

yeah

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gardengnome:

swel024: anyways, you can also run mtd standalone in a debugging mode, AFAIK

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swel024:

gardengnome: yeah thats what im trying at the moment

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swel024:

anyway sleep is more important now

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swel024:

night

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juski:

sleep is like lunch

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juski:

and personal hygiene in the case of some geeks

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dustybin:

some geeks stay up for 48 hours + without no sleep and without washing!

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juski:

ooo I've got some new prototype port multiplier boards to test :)

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gardengnome:

juski: word is we can decrypt encrypted HD feeds with supposedly legal CAMs here in germany.

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gardengnome:

yay for firmware updates :)

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juski:

yay for you!

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gardengnome:

for me?

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gardengnome:

i need to overclock my core 2 duo to > 2GHz to be able to watch it. ;)

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Cardoe_work:

No kormoc... :(

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drmikecrowe:

Hi folks, n00b question: Where do I disable the auto-delete of recorded programs? I want to keep indefinitely.

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juski:

autoexpire?

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juski:

just flag all your recordings & set the autoexpire flag to off

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drmikecrowe:

juski: Is there a way to make this off by default?

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juski:

yes

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juski:

amazing huh?

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drmikecrowe:

lol

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drmikecrowe:

Any clues?

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juski:

'autoexpire new recordings by default' IIRC

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Dagmar:

I have no idea why the hell that's in there

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Dagmar:

No idea why you'd want to expire the newest of a set of recordings

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gardengnome:

umm, that setting just enables auto expire by default. it doesn't necessarily expire the latest recordings ;)

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juski:

muhahaha

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juski:

I want to kill myself. just been on the phone to microsoft trying to activate windows xp

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Dagmar:

Isn't their voice recognition bot lovely

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juski:

no that's fine

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juski:

it's the human operators I have issues with

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Dagmar:

Oh, the Bangalorites

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juski:

I havn't got a product activation key for the machine

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Dagmar:

What? No sticker on it?

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juski:

nope

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Dagmar:

Whoops

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Dagmar:

I at least stick them to the CD

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juski:

well it's already had the serial # entered but it was wrong

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Dagmar:

I make sure I buy a nice blank CD, brand new, too, so I have something to assign the licence to.

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Dagmar:

Oh, look on hax0ring sites then

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juski:

well not so much wrong but not right if you know what I mean

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Dagmar:

You can change that fairly easily once you know which key in the registry to change

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juski:

i.e. IT bod used a dell oem cd to install from but used a shrinkwrap serial number

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juski:

can't login til it's activated

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juski:

arghhh

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juski:

and there's no phone in the room with the machine

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juski:

ffs

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Dagmar:

You people and your copper wire technology

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juski:

and the (sh)IT dept are trying to avoid doing the job so rightfully theirs

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juski:

hey I could use my mobile phone but wtf should I?

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Dagmar:

Offhand, I'd say as punishment for being too lazy to push back on the IT guys who should be doing that

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juski:

sent an email to get their asses whooped

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Dagmar:

That's no good

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juski:

yeah it is

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juski:

it's as much as I can do today without my boss here

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Dagmar:

You need to go to their manager with a ream of papers in your hands and quiver with frustration like all the luddites in the office do

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Dagmar:

I've pulled that once at my office already

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Dagmar:

Heh

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Dagmar:

Got called a bastard by the tech who was sent because he *knew* was just playing hit boss.

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Dagmar:

"Damnit Dagmar I know you know how to install this"

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Dagmar:

"You absolute f*cking bastard. My boss thinks that all hell is about to break loose down here."

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Dagmar:

er he knew I was just playing his bos

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Dagmar:

True, I *did* know exactly how to do it, but I'm really not supposed to actually change any system configuration stuff ever

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Dagmar:

What would people think if the network monitoring people started fixing things that broke instead of calling the people who are supposed to fix them.

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Merlin83b:

"Thank you"

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Dagmar:

heheh

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Dagmar:

No, my boss knows I'm a hacker.

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Dagmar:

One of the things he was rather serious about when he hired me was that I was *not* supposed to fix things.

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Dagmar:

No authorization.

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Dagmar:

No authorization means I'd be violating USC 1080 and that's a no-no.

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vaineh:

is anyone aware of any set ups involving lots of tuner cards, like 5 or more?

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Dagmar:

...and the Chief of police on campus would probably wet himself if he had a chance to nab me

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Dagmar:

vaineh: Have you given some thought to what that would entail?

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vaineh:

not really :)

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Dagmar:

I'm not sure one can realistically operate more than four PVR recordings at once

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Dagmar:

PCI only has so much it will tolerate going on on the BUS

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vaineh:

ok

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Dagmar:

In theory you could max out a box with four PVR-500's, giving you eight tuners total, but I think it would probably crash hard if you lit them all up at one time

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Dagmar:

Remember that whatever comes out of the card counts double across the PCI bus because it's then repeated to the disk, which is generally going to involve it going back _through_ the PCI bus

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Dagmar:

As it stands, some people have to increase the PCI latency allowable to the IDE controller because two tuners at once make things too laggy for the system to tolerate, and it results in various malfunctions

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Dagmar:

Disk corruption, hard lockups, socialism.

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Merlin83b:

Beirdo is our lots of tuners champion.

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

He would be the man to ask

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Dagmar:

...although he might just say set up two backends on cheaper equipment

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onewheelskyward:

Do on-bridge SATA controllers still utilize the PCI bus for data xfer?

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Dagmar:

Some do

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juski:

heheh (sh)IT are gonna hate me

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onewheelskyward:

What did you do now? :)

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maxxer:

hi

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maxxer:

i've recently set up knoppmyth on a pc with a Philips tv card

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maxxer:

myth setup correctly detects the card, but when I try to do channel scan I cannot see the card in the list of capture cards!

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maxxer:

what can be the problem?

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juski:

onewheelskyward: went over their heads

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echosyp:

i just got my tv tuner, now im getting ready to set it up!

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echosyp:

what is cc stream and cc mpeg2?

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KaZeR:

hey people.

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KaZeR:

i scheduled a user job, but it doesn't start.

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KaZeR:

it's shows as queued, and nothing in my backend logs..

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echosyp:

does anyone know when ubuntu plans to update to 2.6.18 kernel

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echosyp:

:)

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echosyp:

does the 2.6.17 kernel have support for pvrusb2?

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kantlivelong:

hey all

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kantlivelong:

anyone know if the ENX-15 TV Tuner works on linux?

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kim0:

is all of mythtv+plugins (games, browser ...etc) is all of that on debian mirrors ?

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kim0:

coz I'll install debian just to get that

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gardengnome:

it's on debian-multimedia.org

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gardengnome:

however, packages are available for most modern distros

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kim0:

gardengnome: oh thanks ...

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kim0:

why is it not on plain debian mirrors though!

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kim0:

isn't mythtv open source

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gardengnome:

yes

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gardengnome:

but there are problems with software patents, unfree media formats and other stuff

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kim0:

ah!

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kim0:

In pursuit of the smallest possible myth, I'm installing damnsmalllinux, then I will apt-get myth

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gardengnome:

uh

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gardengnome:

good luck.

[18:38:00]

gardengnome:

there's also minimyth

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gardengnome:

but it lacks the backend

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kim0:

but that's only a frontend

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gardengnome:

:)

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gardengnome:

good luck then, hope you won't run into dependency issues

[18:38:41]

kim0:

there was this imedia linux thing

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kim0:

real tiny Linux

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kim0:

but for somereason they dont seem to offer the source code

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gardengnome:

i think minimyth is a similar thing

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** kim0 thinks they might be breaking the GPL **

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gardengnome:

no

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gardengnome:

the GPL doesn't state source code has to be available for download

[18:40:36]

kim0:

?!

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kim0:

it does if you're distributing your code, eh?

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kim0:

http://www.mini-box.com/iMediaMythTV

[18:40:56]

gardengnome:

no.

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gardengnome:

it has to be made available on request.

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kim0:

ah! so if I ask them, they must give it to me :)

[18:41:36]

gardengnome:

kinda, if you've got the binary distribution

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gardengnome:

they might closed source parts in there, though

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gardengnome:

+have

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kim0:

they can get ugly fast :)

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kim0:

s/they/this/

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kim0:

well, I just don't like them

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kim0:

hope damn small linux will suffice

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Cyberai:

Does anyone have any experience with working with Motorola Cable Boxes via firewire? My cable company just restricted all premium channels to digital. So I need to figure out how to control the cable box with my myth box.

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onewheelskyward:

That sounds like a job for an IR blaster.

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mapu:

Cyberai – I ma heading down that rail as well....

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Dagmar:

pewpewpewlaserbeams

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praet:

heh

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praet:

i imagined a godzilla shooting pure energy out of its eyes

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praet:

that must meaen its break time

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PeterC:

Could someone recommend a good music server that also works with Windows Media Player (which is the only one allowed at work)?

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Zider:

server program or server host?

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PeterC:

Zider: A server that allows a client (Amarok, WMP, etcetera) to play music over network.

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Zider:

shoutcast? :P

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eskil:

Zider, actually not the worst of choices if you can deal with randomised play all the time and can't use upnp.

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sigger:

PeterC: ampache

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Zider:

eskil: randomised..?

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PeterC:

What about slimserver?

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sigger:

IMHO slimserver has a crummy UI

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eskil:

Zider, In that you can't control what's being played from the client, although the server might have some web ui for doing so.

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amishgeek:

hello, i'm currently planning on how to get mythTV set up and I'd like some input / advice on how to structure this distributed install. I'd like to have a recording/capture machine, a central myth storage server, and then use my xbox with XBMCMythTV as my frontend on my television

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Zider:

eskil: doesn't mean it's random

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sigger:

the amish use computers?

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amishgeek:

my storage server is an IBM Netfinity 5500 with attached 10drive scsi array with 10x 18gb scsi drives raid 5 (~160gb storage)

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amishgeek:

pardon me, i'm an oxymoron :)

[19:34:16]

eskil:

Zider, nope, just that it's unlike upnp, the client probably cannot control what's being played.

[19:34:53]

Zider:

eskil: ah no, I don't think it works like that.. (don't see what upnp has to do with it tho)

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amishgeek:

then having multiple capture boxes recording to the myth server, storing on the NAS

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KaZeR:

hey there. anyone here using uPNP with his(her?) mythtv?

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amishgeek:

is what I'm thinking about feasible?

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KaZeR:

amishgeek, http://freenas.sf.net ?

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amishgeek:

yeah

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KaZeR:

looks great. i'm thinking of building one too. only drawback i see is maybe network speed when recording, i wonder if it would'nt impact the recordings.

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eskil:

Zider, shoutcast is just a way of streaming, it does not specify how the server decides what to stream, it really only adds metadata and throttling. upnp specifies browsing of a catalogue, selecting what to stream and all that fancy stuff.

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PeterC:

sigger: Will ampache work from WMP?

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sigger:

It will accept WMP as a client to which it sends music. WMP can also do basic transport controls (prev/next/pause). To control your playlist you use a webbrowser.

[19:39:58]

sigger:

er, control your playlist, meaning pick songs, browse your music, manage playlists, etc.

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eskil:

sigger, yes, many servers have a web UI.

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amishgeek:

mythTV has an audio library feature right?

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sigger:

eskil:yep amishgeek: yep mythmusic

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amishgeek:

does it support WMP DRM content? I would assume no

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juski:

nobody should support WMP DRM content. period

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PeterC:

sigger: Too bad there is no deb packages with ampache.

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amishgeek:

well, i have real rhapsody, and I can download the files, and play them in windows media player, or winamp, as long as the DRM key is updated each month. i'm just wondering if mythmusic would play those files as well

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sigger:

PeterC: you don't really need it. Its written in php. Very easy to install.

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melunko:

Hello there, mythtv-setup does not show all the xmltv grab options, any idea?

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juski:

amishgeek: you RENT your music?! how insane is that?

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PeterC:

sigger: OK, I should have a look.

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Cyberai:

does anyone know if there is work being done on hardware/software for mythtv that would enable us to eliminate the new STB's that use cable cards to decode 5C content?

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amishgeek:

juski: I mainly listen to my music in front of my computer, either at the office, or at home. (I have XM in the car). so the $9/mo for unlimited access to over 2 million songs is well worth it considering I have instant access to my library and playlists anywhere i have internet access (on any computer)

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amishgeek:

i've been happily using rhapsody for over 2 years now

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dr12:

anyone here using FC6 and PVR-350 with TV out ?

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dr12:

having issues with ivtv-fb module

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Cyberai:

amishgeek, i know someone who has been happily using crack for over 2 years. Doesn't mean it's good for you.

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juski:

amishgeek: sounds like a con to me but hey ho

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amishgeek:

Cyberai: i like to be legit with my media, and with my varied music tastes, to listen to the same songs purchased through itunes, or any other paid music service (or buying the cds) I would have spent 10 times the money I've paid in rhapsody subscriptions

[19:56:50]

amishgeek:

to each their own. i prefer to avoid file sharing, and prefer to acquire my music honestly. rhapsody meets my needs best.

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juski:

pity you'll *never* be able to use all your lovely music in open source, non-drm-crippled software though eh

[19:57:14]

amishgeek:

true

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Dagmar:

I just prefer to not have to wait for my CDs to encode

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amishgeek:

but since my work forces me to use windows, and I use windows for games at home, its different means, same end

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Cyberai:

legit? aquire your music honestly? Every time you use DRM music it's like biting into bait with a hook in it. At any time the company can revoke your ability to use a product you legitimately paid for

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Cyberai:

Imagine you go out a buy a car – a Ford for instance

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Cyberai:

you pay for the car with a loan

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Cyberai:

you pay on the loan for 3 years

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amishgeek:

i pay for access to the music, i dont pay for the music itself

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Cyberai:

you send in your last payment and think "Yay! I own my car!"

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Cyberai:

then you go out to drive to work the next day and it won't start

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amishgeek:

when you pay for your airplane ticket, you aren't buying part of the plane, but paying for the ability to use it

[19:59:52]

amishgeek:

i agree that DRM on purchased media is bad

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amishgeek:

but DRM for subscription media is a necessity

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Cyberai:

when you call Ford, they tell you "Oh yeah, you paid for the car. But we still own the license for the technology in it. If you want to continue to license our car technology you have to pay XXX amount per month"

[20:00:15]

amishgeek:

when you finish leasing your car, you have to return it to the dealer

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juski:

aaanyway meanwhile back in #mythtv-users...

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Cyberai:

WTF?

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levander:

I'm trying to figure out how I'd set up a Harmony 550. The only instructions I've found say to use lirc and an IR receiver via the serial port. But, I thought I remamber something about it being easier just to have the remote act like a keyboard and send signals to a wireless keyboard's IR receiver (which are usually USB).

[20:11:35]

levander:

Anywhere to find information on using a wireless keyboard's IR receiver?

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Dagmar:

I think someone was having you on there

[20:12:26]

levander:

Dagmar: you're talking to me?

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Dagmar:

Yep

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RaYmAn-Bx:

and it was rather useless.

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juski:

looks like my backend fell over again

[20:16:31]

juski:

the weekly falling over :(

[20:16:36]

levander:

RaYmAn-Bx: I'm typing on an IR keyboard now, it's made by Logitech

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juski:

2007-03–18 22:32:09.206 EITScanner: Added 1 EIT Events

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juski:

last log entry

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RaYmAn-Bx:

levander: wow, thought all wireless keyboards used RF these days.

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juski:

POS

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levander:

hmmm, maybe it is RF, lemme check

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rsdvd:

juski : I just noticed I have program data untill 2037 :-) EIT is wonderful when it works

[20:17:55]

juski:

well no harm done – only missed recording a couple of shitey dirge shows (soaps)

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rsdvd:

lol.....mrs Juski will be upset though

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juski:

nah

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rsdvd:

lol

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juski:

anyway back to my new mad bootleg mixy

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juski:

girls aloud vs The Mad Stuntman vs Kelis, vs fatboy slim, vs missy elliot...

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rsdvd:

:-) sounds like an intesting mix

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juski:

I dunno if it's because I'm going deaf or that I'm becoming a dirty old perv but since seeing them on Comic Relief on friday my opinion of Girls Aloud has changed ;)

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rsdvd:

you are just an old perv :-)

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gardengnome:

:)

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: how's the s100? :)

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Zazza:

hi... is there a wincsc-like plugin for mythtv?

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : It has just been moved to the lounge – just need to set up some sort of network connection for it

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Zazza:

hi... is there a wincsc-like plugin for mythtv?

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juski:

Zazza: nope

[20:33:47]

juski:

and asking again will get you a very frosty reception here, so don't ask again

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Cyberai:

juski, can you tell me if there is anything like what rsdvd mentioned in development?

[20:35:51]

Zazza:

@juski... well... I got a regular subscription... was only asking...

[20:36:37]

Zazza:

anyway.. thanks

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rsdvd:

Cyberai : what did I mention?

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juski:

Cyberai: NO

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juski:

NO

[20:37:40]

juski:

NO

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juski:

NO

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juski:

geddit?

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Cyberai:

why not?

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juski:

because of the dubious legality of such things, that's why not

[20:38:32]

juski:

now drop the subject or an op will possibly op yo ass

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Cyberai:

ah, i was unaware there were legal issues

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Cyberai:

my apologies

[20:39:18]

** juski misses his special powers & sings "kick-ban... kickban!" to the tune of 'Stingray' **

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Dagmar:

Where the RIAA can get involved, there are _always_ legal issues

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Cyberai:

I am curious if the tuner card manufactureres are possibly working on a deal with teh cable companies to make this all work?

[20:39:58]

Cyberai:

a LEGAL deal – sust to clarify

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juski:

hahah yeah like something similar to cablecard is ever gonna happen in open source software

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Cyberai:

so you could possibly buy a card, insert the cable companies cable card, that you paid for. And then you can watch the 5C content?

[20:40:43]

juski:

nope

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Dagmar:

In theory that is *exactly* the way a CAM is supposed to work

[20:41:01]

juski:

well not unless mythtv acted like a dump file recorder

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Cyberai:

Dagmar, i am unfamiliar with that, what is CAM?

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juski:

course you'd not be able to *do* anything with the recordings then

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Dagmar:

It's *supposed* to open up the presentation end of things

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juski:

is it?

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Dagmar:

It's *supposed* to open up the presentation end of things

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Dagmar:

Damn lag

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opello:

Beirdo: you ever get that cpu?

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Dagmar:

CAM is Content Access MOdule

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Dagmar:

It's what a CableCArd is

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juski:

anyway so long as a recording can be played back through a hardware decryption thing & put onscreen, you can re-encode it to something else & then it ends up on bittorrent or whatever

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Dagmar:

The CableCard is supposed to decrypt the premium content you paid for so they don't have your nuts in a vice with the cable box

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Dagmar:

The FCC didn't much care for cable companies having both "on demand" services, AND "pvr-capable" boxes

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juski:

aye well I just don't see that ever being possible on a linux box

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Dagmar:

It was looking like a lock on content presentation that would be bad for consumers

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juski:

not an *open* source linux box

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Cyberai:

well juski, if we did it with wireless cards via emulation, why couldn't we write something similar for cable cards?

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Dagmar:

I don't think the FCC will swallow the bullshit that COngress did that allowed CSS to take root

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Dagmar:

They're a _little_ more technically inclined than that over there

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Dagmar:

But I am still a pessimist about it

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juski:

we'll see in the fullness of time no doubt

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Dagmar:

We need those crazies in Sweden to open the market for us. :)

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Cyberai:

I'm no legal expert, but it seems a clean room reverse engineering of how to read the card would be legal

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Dagmar:

Cyberai: This is why they get all excited about the DMCA when it comes to CSS and playing DVDs

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Cyberai:

since your still paying for the content, just not using their box.

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Dagmar:

Technically, for you to watch a dvd under Linux is illegal as hell if it's encrypted, even if you bought it

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Cyberai:

true tru

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Cyberai:

true

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Dagmar:

You may have paid for it, but your *player* isn't *licenced*

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Cyberai:

god, what a load of crap

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Dagmar:

Which is their little way of making sure they get every possible cent out of it, rather than that market actually being open to competition

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RaYmAn-Bx:

luckily that isn't the case in all countries :)

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Cyberai:

we really need to get this DRM crap shut down

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bill__:

hi, can anyone help with a real quick question

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anykey_:

bill__: just ask

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Cyberai:

personally I think it's heading in that direction, but it's going to take another 10 years for DRm to doom itself

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Dagmar:

Yes it is quite possible

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Dagmar:

You just run mythtv-setup again

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anykey_:

bill__: of course, just run mythtv-setup

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bill__:

cool, thanks

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bill__:

and is this a decent guide? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy . . . tend_Desktop

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bill__:

it was off the myth wiki

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bill__:

that's what i've been following so far, and have understood everything except for the reason for using xfs

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Cyberai:

considering how DRm music is bombing, it seems like in time the same will happen to video etc

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Cyberai:

I know almost all of teh movie studios are planning to allow you to buy movies for like $5 and download them and they wont have DRM on them

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bill__:

really?

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Cyberai:

yep

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Cyberai:

I read a bit about it on /. a few months ago

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Cyberai:

seems they commissioned a study that showed that no matter how they DRM'd it, that within 24 hours of digital release the movie would be on P2P nets without DRM. So selling it with vs without DRM gives them exactly the same market and revenue.

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Dagmar:

...and people would buy the hell out of it if it were easy and cheap

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Cyberai:

I'm hoping once that idea sinks in, that the whole DRM argument will go away

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Cyberai:

exactly

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Dagmar:

VOngo and those other guys have pretty much shown that

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Cyberai:

hell, look at iTunes. A dollar a song was the magic number. people started downloading like crazy from there instead of P2P. Because the variety and choices were better.

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Dagmar:

In great part because iTunes made it *very* easy

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Cyberai:

exactly

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Cyberai:

Did you see Walmart is moving in on it. Seems there stuff isn't DRM'd.

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Cyberai:

and what if it is? Everyone knows that any DRM can be cracked, and usually is within a few weeks of release

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eV64:

yay for fairuse //backuphddvd etc

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Cyberai:

I'm just amazed at how they can't see that there is so much money to be made by just delivering what people WANT>

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eV64:

stupid marketing people

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eV64:

and macrovision plays a huge part in brainwashing companies into thinking drm is great

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eV64:

and helps consumers

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eV64:

what else does macrovision sell besides drm?

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Zider:

eV64: probably drugs

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Zider:

DRM, LSD, PVC.. any three letter acronym.. :P

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eV64:

hah

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Dagmar:

It's all about hookers and blow

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eV64:

they sell frustration

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Cyberai:

well, I'm off to home and the gym

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Cyberai:

TTFN

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eV64:

have fun

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eV64:

quiet now

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Zider:

ssssch

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Zider:

;)

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eV64:

downloading myth stuff right now @ 22kb/s

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eV64:

stupid college network...

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eV64:

11kb/s ouch

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pm_:

anyone experience with h264 on mythtv?

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pm_:

I would like to cut beginning and end from a h264-recording. Wondered if it is possible?

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Dagmar:

It's *possible*, but it's not Myth's purview

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Dagmar:

You need a non-linear video editor like Cinelerra for that

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KaZeR:

pm_, avidemux?

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pm_:

would it be possible to mark cutpoints in mythtv and use avidemux as a user job?

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sokminer:

hi all

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Dave123:

hey

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onewheelskyward:

Woah...I just found an entire computer I didn't know I had.

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onewheelskyward:

Opened up an old case only to find a fully stocked motherboard...all I'm missing is an HD.

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gardengnome:

let me guess, it's been downloading porn off emule for four years now?

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gardengnome:

ah.

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onewheelskyward:

haha no, I move every 6 months, so it wasn't plugged in. :)

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Dave123:

hah nice

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sokminer:

all them potential CPU cycles going used ... sigh :)

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sokminer:

unused*

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onewheelskyward:

Tell me about it! I could have been curing cancer this whole time.

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sokminer:

:)

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Dave123:

or searching for aliens

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sokminer:

or folding something@home

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gardengnome:

or cracking some stupid encrypted phrase

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onewheelskyward:

Or downloading pr0n from eMule.

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gardengnome:

yeah

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gardengnome:

choose wisely.

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ryanr23:

I'm getting jerky playback from DVDs I create with MythArchive and suspect it's an interlacing issue... does anyone know anything about this?

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eV64_:

stuck running mythtv-setup on edgy, I think it's a permissions thing but not sure

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eV64_:

anyone here?

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gardengnome:

the database password is in /etc7mythtv/mysql.txt

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gardengnome:

the database password is in /etcmythtv/mysql.txt

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sokminer:

ppl are but i can't help... wish it was otherwise

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gardengnome:

darn.

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gardengnome:

/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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eV64_:

ok

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** sokminer 3 strikes .. your out.....baseball is coming :) **

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gardengnome:

i live on the other side of the pond, i never felt i had to learn those rules :)

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sokminer:

gardengnome: very well then cricket season is/has just finished

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gardengnome:

i don't live on that island either ;)

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gardengnome:

the clichee for my country would be soccer ;)

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sokminer:

gardengnome: oh ok then the entire IT profession almost went down the tubes when IT almost beat you in the last world cup

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sokminer:

no pizza

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sokminer:

:)

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gardengnome:

there's still ramen. no worries

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sokminer:

lol

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sokminer:

gardengnome: last week we chatted about a factoids bot in this channel that i would host .... iirc beirdo is the appropriate op to continue the conversation with

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gardengnome:

yep

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Dagmar:

No offense, but I hate your nick right now

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sokminer:

Beirdo: ??? any interest in a factoids only bot ?

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Dagmar:

I just finished up eighty-two megs of GNOME 2.18 packages.

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Dagmar:

We're maybe halfway done

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: i got kicked in the arklinux channel because they prefer kde.

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Dagmar:

I am really hoping somewhere in there is the gnome blowjob applet because otherwise I may be sitting in console for awhile after this release is done

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eV64:

bill@nix-box:~$ sudo mysqladmin password somepassword

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eV64:

mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed

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eV64:

error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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** gardengnome cries because of mysql issues on ubuntu **

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Dagmar:

lol

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** eV64 cries too **

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eV64:

anyone know?

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Dagmar:

You should submit a bug report on it for "general suckiness for not putting the password in /root/.my.cnf"

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gardengnome:

would that matter? ubuntu uses sudo

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Dagmar:

It *should*

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eV64:

i know the password

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eV64:

i think

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Dagmar:

I'd check mine, but I have "#" burned into my retinas at the moment

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eV64:

i'm really lost, trying to follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy . . . tend_Desktop

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onewheelskyward:

Perhaps there's a default root password?

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onewheelskyward:

You can try it, ev64: Run a mysql -u root -p

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dsl29293:

hi all. just setup mythdora on a p4 w/hauppaugePVR-350, and live tv is blank on monitor and s-video'd tv,

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dsl29293:

and recordign a program just results in 1.1k file in the /video/recordings/ dir

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dsl29293:

any ideas?

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xris:

dsl29293: read jarod wilson's fedora setup guide for how to test the card, etc.

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dsl29293:

thanks xris

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dsl29293:

where is there a link to that on the wiki?

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xris:

google "fedora mythtvology"

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dsl29293:

thx xris, anything seem obvious before before i check that out?

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dr12:

anyone using Hauppauge 350 and FC6 ?

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dr12:

with TV out?

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praet:

dsl29293: wilsonet.com/mythtv

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jd86:

[mpeg @ 0xb758e6b0]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94210 ! what in the world could this mean?

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eV_64:

hi

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rob-wrk:

dr12: I have a pvr350 working with ubuntu

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eV_64:

very basic question, i'm following a guide to setup myth and it says # sudo nano /etc/mysql/my.cnf. Do I paste the "#" in terminal too or do I leave that off?

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rob-wrk:

no #

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dr12:

rob, thx, I have fc6 and having issues with tvout

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dr12:

was working with fc4

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eV_64:

rob-wrk: thanks

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xris:

eV_64: # just indicates the commandline prompt

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dr12:

someone said its a v4l prob

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rob-wrk:

I haven't played with redhat in years, I think in ubuntu I needed to redo some stuff with ivtv module everytime the kernel was upgraded

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