Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, March 16th, 2007, 00:02 UTC

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CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx... any idea why I would be getting duplicate button presses?

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[shodan]:

what is the video decoding engine behind mythfrontend ? is it ffmpeg or something else ?

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jams:

[shodan]- yes it's a modified version of ffmpeg

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[shodan]:

ah ok , so it's not linking against ffmpeg installed on my system.. so the only way to get that working is to update myth itself... hmm too bad then

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jams:

[shodan]- that is correct, it does not use the ffmpeg installed on your system

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ByteChanger:

What is a good Windows app for viewing MythTV ??

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cheeseboy:

hi

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cheeseboy:

how do i make myth always start on my tv?

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tjcarter:

ByteChanger: I have found the best way to do Myth from Windows is to use a slightly modified MythWeb...

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tjcarter:

cheeseboy: You have X configured and all right?

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ByteChanger:

tjcarter: ahhh, cool. thank you!

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cheeseboy:

ya mythtv runs fine

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tjcarter:

ByteChanger: ESPECIALLY good if you are using PVR cards

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cheeseboy:

just sometimesstartson my monitor

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cheeseboy:

instead of my tv

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cheeseboy:

anyway to fix that?

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tjcarter:

cheeseboy: Thats a slightly more complex problem. You need to look at your X settings to make sure TV-out is working. OTOH, these days, you might be able to plug the SVGA output into your TV, depending on the TV.

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cheeseboy:

see nview makes it think my monitor isa widescreen monitor and it starts where theres space

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ByteChanger:

tjcarter: Cool, so I so don't even need VLC eh? I'm using a Haupauuge Nexus, not sure if that qualifies as a PVR...

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cheeseboy:

so any way to alwaysstart mthtv on tv?

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tjcarter:

ByteChanger: does it record to MPEG2 or RTJPEG?

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tjcarter:

ByteChanger: The only reason you need VLC (or the appropriate DirectShow filters) is to handle MPEG4/RTJPEG nuv files. Those don't get used if you have a PVR card.

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ByteChanger:

hehe, I'm not sure what format the recordings are in... I think mpeg2

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tjcarter:

if you have .nuv and .mpg files, you're right.

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tjcarter:

the .nuv files are just a line saying that the real data is in the .mpg file

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banyan:

I just reloaded fc6 on an i686 with a pvr250. When I watch live TV or record, I get static, which I think means the frequency is not getting set. Why would this be?

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tjcarter:

cheeseboy: Yes, but the detauls are far beyond the scope of MythTV. They involve configuring your X server. Precisely how depends on what hardware and server you're using, exactly.

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tjcarter:

banyan: possibly also tuner not recognized. (Has happened to me)

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banyan:

hmm! innaresting. I will look in messages...

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serfrs:

anyone know how to prevent screen blanking in Ubuntu (using openbox)

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serfrs:

Ubuntu Edgy that is

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ByteChanger:

I can scan tps by tps, but that just seems wrong...

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serfrs:

wrong

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serfrs:

scan a conus TP

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serfrs:

12239000 left 20000000 5/6 fec

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serfrs:

then scan existing transports

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serfrs:

lyngsat is you best friend

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ByteChanger:

ah sweeet. thanks. I'll give that a shot!

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serfrs:

after you scan existing transports, look at the channel list

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ByteChanger:

hehe, I could never figure that site out... so much info in so many places...

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serfrs:

compare what you have with what is listed for the sat

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serfrs:

you'll prolly be missing a few tp's

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serfrs:

scan those by hand again

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serfrs:

MAKE SURE WHAT YOU GET (channels added) IS WHAT IS ON THE TP!!

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serfrs:

if not, go back and re-scan it again

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serfrs:

after you get all the channels you're not done yet.... go back and scan existing transports again

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serfrs:

if you forget this step, the channels you just scanned, and maybe others, will not come in

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serfrs:

BTW, what kind of LNB do you currently have?

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ByteChanger:

old legacy LNB's....

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serfrs:

yuck

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serfrs:

you'll prolly have better luck with pro's

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ByteChanger:

hehe

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serfrs:

DPP+DP that is

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serfrs:

you runing sasc-ng?

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ByteChanger:

yeah, if i upgrade my lnb's i'll get another dvb card too :-)

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serfrs:

what card you got?

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ByteChanger:

yes, very impressed

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ByteChanger:

Nexus right now... switching over from VDR

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serfrs:

sold my nexus

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serfrs:

used my SS2

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serfrs:

good card

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ByteChanger:

i was trying to get my old twinhan going... but some wierd error...

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serfrs:

only cost $50.00 (shipping included)

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ByteChanger:

wow...

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serfrs:

I have heard alot of bad things about twinhans

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ByteChanger:

ss2, i'll hafta keep those in mind!

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ByteChanger:

frustrating card...

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serfrs:

what distro you using?

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ByteChanger:

debian

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Loto:

does dvb-s support hd channels? Last time i checked there were issues with 8psk, has the situation changed?

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serfrs:

SS2 gets recognized at boot... no modules to load, nothing

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serfrs:

8psk-usb

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serfrs:

or try nimiq 92

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Loto:

thanks

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serfrs:

if you want to scan d*sh, you need a 8psk-usb adapter (genpix, or maybe a dvbtech)

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serfrs:

if you want to watch hd with just your dvb-s, scan nimiq 92

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serfrs:

didn't have much luck with debian for myth.... worked great with VDR

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serfrs:

best luck I have had so far has been ubuntu edgy

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ByteChanger:

hmmm, i just happen to have a ubuntu 5.1 (live & install cd's)

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ByteChanger:

what version is edgy?

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serfrs:

6.10

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serfrs:

I use server version on my backend, and desktop on my frontends

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ByteChanger:

i wuz gonna try out that knoppMyth and see what happens...

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serfrs:

never used it

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serfrs:

I like building for myself

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serfrs:

at least i know where stuff is if it breaks, or needs upgrading

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serfrs:

you running svn?

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serfrs:

(latest version)

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ByteChanger:

yes

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serfrs:

ok, good

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ByteChanger:

:-)

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serfrs:

.20 wasn't good for dvb cards

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serfrs:

my switch was always stuck on port 1

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ByteChanger:

same thing i thought... but #4 too...

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ByteChanger:

but then i started to do them individually and that got me started...

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serfrs:

were you able to scan that tp for 119?

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serfrs:

nah... I learned the hard way

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serfrs:

lot of trial and error

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ByteChanger:

just getting there now...

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serfrs:

sometimes I miss up to 5 tp's for each bird

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ByteChanger:

hehe, i figured for march break i'd install mythtv... how exciting is my life.... hehe

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serfrs:

scan em in by hand, rescan existing tp's and its always worked for me

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serfrs:

same here

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serfrs:

this was my spring break

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ByteChanger:

lol

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serfrs:

got my backend running, and did a couple frontends

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ByteChanger:

i guess it doesn't help if i was scanning them w/ right circular eh/

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serfrs:

hmm, try left ;)

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ByteChanger:

hmmm no locks either way now...

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ByteChanger:

hehe

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serfrs:

hmmmmm

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serfrs:

how do you have your lnb setup?

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ByteChanger:

o my bad

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jd86:

So I am having the horrid MV errors, and my backend is crashing. I hear its from poor signal... coudl this randomly just starrt happening... or could this be something else?

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ByteChanger:

forgot the fec setting...

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serfrs:

hmmmmm

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serfrs:

you should still get a lock

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serfrs:

even without the fec

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serfrs:

its not 100% needed

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ByteChanger:

hehe, that and only 6 0's ... forgot the seventh...

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ByteChanger:

its locked now

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serfrs:

ahhh... that'll do it

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serfrs:

tell me what channels you get

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ByteChanger:

ok

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serfrs:

at least 2 of em

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serfrs:

not all of em

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ByteChanger:

sure... ok court, animl, fuse, bravo...

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serfrs:

ok, good

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serfrs:

now go to channel editor

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serfrs:

select the 119

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serfrs:

and scan existing transports

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serfrs:

btw, you have it setup as different sources for each LNB, right?

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serfrs:

cause I never have had good luck with trying to do it all in one

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serfrs:

it always overwrote channels, would hop around, etc

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jd86:

My myth commercial flagging jobs are failing message is "exiting with status 254"

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ByteChanger:

umm, yes, each lnb has its own video, etc setup...

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serfrs:

ok... I'm trying a all-in-one as we speak

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serfrs:

seeing if I can setup a single video source for all 3 lnbs

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ByteChanger:

hmmm, it won't lock on tp 2 — no signal...

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ByteChanger:

was that the freq you gave me earlier? tp 2?

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serfrs:

not sure... its no biggie

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serfrs:

119 has ALOT of spot beams

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serfrs:

there will be alot of misses

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ByteChanger:

hmmm, but it wants to stop after that one for some reason...

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serfrs:

hmm, ok... go thourhg your steps with me

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serfrs:

*throgh

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ByteChanger:

oo.. maybe select ignor sig. timout... ?

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serfrs:

ACCCCKKKK

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serfrs:

*through

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serfrs:

shouldn't be needed

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ByteChanger:

hmmm, ok... well. when we started i did the following:

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ByteChanger:

deleted current settings for lnb #1

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ByteChanger:

deleted video source too

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serfrs:

ok

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serfrs:

sounds good so far

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ByteChanger:

recreated each

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ByteChanger:

set 11250 0 11250 (Custom LNB, Universal)

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serfrs:

ok

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serfrs:

always make it 7 long

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ByteChanger:

doesn't seem to want to accept 11250000 ... but seemed to work that way...

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serfrs:

ok

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ByteChanger:

worked on other lnb's anyway ... :)

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ByteChanger:

then created input connetcion, on lnb 1, pointing to new video source (119)

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ByteChanger:

clicked scan for channel scan and entered those freqencies... a couple of times.. hehe

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ByteChanger:

got a lock and clicked next and finish.

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serfrs:

ok

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serfrs:

did you go to channel editor?

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ByteChanger:

then into chan editor and vid source =119, channel scan, type=full scan of exist transports...

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ByteChanger:

yup

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ByteChanger:

then alt-n...

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serfrs:

and it exits on the first miss?

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serfrs:

alt-n?

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ByteChanger:

for some reason my mouse curson hides under the desktop..

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ByteChanger:

yes, exits on first miss...

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serfrs:

somethig sounds fishy

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serfrs:

it should add in the tps

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ByteChanger:

other sats seemed to continue scanning properly...

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serfrs:

other?

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ByteChanger:

110

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serfrs:

so it just gave you a timeout, and exited?

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ByteChanger:

scanned ok

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ByteChanger:

yes...

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serfrs:

hmmm

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ByteChanger:

thats why i was thinking ... 'ignore timeouts...'...

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serfrs:

maybe try that

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ByteChanger:

lemme tryit...

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serfrs:

I don't have to

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serfrs:

but different cards, different results

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ByteChanger:

ok, locked on id #201

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ByteChanger:

hehe...

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ByteChanger:

wiat... wrong area...

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ByteChanger:

doing a chan scan.. ack...

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ByteChanger:

oh maybe im all right....

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ByteChanger:

crap no..

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ByteChanger:

one sec... sorry...

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serfrs:

its ok

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serfrs:

take your time

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ByteChanger:

hehe, thanks...

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ByteChanger:

yeah, thats where i usually mess up... rushing...

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ByteChanger:

march break is only so long... hehe

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serfrs:

yulp

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serfrs:

I hear ya

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J-e-f-f-A:

March break? Oh yeah, school... I was there... 20 years ago! ;-)

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ByteChanger:

darn... no change... exited after timeout on id2

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serfrs:

now thats weird

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serfrs:

check your transports

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serfrs:

see if you got more than one

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ByteChanger:

just the one

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serfrs:

it should have added a whole bunch

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ByteChanger:

ugg, this sat is giving me a ruff time...

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serfrs:

les try a different tp

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ByteChanger:

i tried putting it lnb#2, but didn't seem to help...

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ByteChanger:

ok, diff tp

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serfrs:

12297000 L 20000000 5/6

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serfrs:

another conus beam

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ByteChanger:

:) Anohter lock too.

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serfrs:

good

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serfrs:

but lets see if it adds transports

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ByteChanger:

what is a conus beam?

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serfrs:

if not, I have no clue

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serfrs:

nation-wide

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ByteChanger:

ahhh...

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serfrs:

where as spot beams are for certain areas

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ByteChanger:

thanks for the help!

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serfrs:

np

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ByteChanger:

maybe the latest svn stuff....

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serfrs:

you'll like myth ALOT better than vdr

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jd86:

Anyone with svn having trouble getting all of the thumbnails to load in mythweb?

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ByteChanger:

sure looks like a lot more featueres...

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serfrs:

well, I got the latest version.. form this afternoon

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ByteChanger:

ok, got some chans.

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serfrs:

*from

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ByteChanger:

ah... guess their ok then ehehe

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ByteChanger:

k, back to chan editor

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serfrs:

well, we aren't really looking for the channels per say, but the rest of the transports so you can just scan the remaining tps

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ByteChanger:

gotcha...

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serfrs:

it will update the channels when we scan again

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ByteChanger:

(keep typing on the wrong keyboard) hehe

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ByteChanger:

full scan right?

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serfrs:

and even after that, you should never just scan a full transport and leave it at that.. always scan a full transport, then do a exisiting transport scan again

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serfrs:

not full scan

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ByteChanger:

ahhh

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serfrs:

"scan of existing transports"

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ByteChanger:

oooo, damn.. sorry... much different...

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serfrs:

full scan in video source (???) then full scan of EXISTING transports in channel editor

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ByteChanger:

ah, ok...

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serfrs:

if you do a full scan, than a full scan again... you're just treading water

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serfrs:

and at least with myth you won't have to worry about things breaking when they do updates, unlike what Klaus does!!!! (shakes fist)

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serfrs:

wtf

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ByteChanger:

LOL

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ByteChanger:

says — no signal

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ByteChanger:

well, timout scaninng tp6: no sig...

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serfrs:

so it scans the 2 we just scanned.. then calls itself done

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ByteChanger:

yuppers

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serfrs:

man...

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serfrs:

I don't know what to tell ya

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ByteChanger:

thats cool. i'll play with it....

[03:02:03]

serfrs:

besides shell out $35 on ebay for a DP LNB

[03:02:29]

ByteChanger:

yeah... might save me alot of grief...

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serfrs:

tons

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ByteChanger:

anyway, thanks!! Appreciated your time.

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serfrs:

alot more support

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serfrs:

NP

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serfrs:

if you ever need help with NEthing (d*sh related) and I'm on, hit me up

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ByteChanger:

Sweet thanks! Appreciate that!

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serfrs:

NP.. sry we couldn't get it working

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ByteChanger:

np, i still got the other one going... :-)

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serfrs:

xris... you have any expierence with ubuntu?

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serfrs:

or are ya there?!?!?! :)

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ByteChanger:

i have a laptop, 1ghz, AMD 1800, AMD3200+, plus a PSP... I eventually wanna have each have a myth frontend of sorts... hehe

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[R]:

i have a dvd that in xine i can goto the title menu just fine... but i cant figure out how to do it in myth

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ByteChanger:

Is the 1 ghz ok for a backend? (and watch livetv) ?

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serfrs:

<--- about to get out of here

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serfrs:

well, depends on what ya want to do

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serfrs:

I would say yeah

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serfrs:

I got a 4200 X2

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ByteChanger:

basically stream it around the house...

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serfrs:

hmmmm

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tjcarter:

meh, every time I do live TV, it crashes the box.

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serfrs:

I may upgrade

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serfrs:

on my box, I can record HD, and 2 SD shows and still watch live

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ByteChanger:

nice!

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serfrs:

I got 2 gig ram along with a 2.5GB swap

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tjcarter:

if you have a PVR, 1GHz is PLENTY.

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tjcarter:

your issue will be I/O

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ByteChanger:

oh, funny thing... I noticed myth isn't using my swap space partition?

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ByteChanger:

Is that normal?

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serfrs:

it has used mone once

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serfrs:

*mine

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serfrs:

5 MB of it

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serfrs:

hehehhehehe

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ByteChanger:

oh ok.... heheh

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serfrs:

but NEways, I'm outtie for the night

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GreyFoxx:

ByteChanger: That's a question for your OS, not myth

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ByteChanger:

Night serfrs, thanks agian!

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serfrs:

before I go, GreyFoxx... you have any idea on how to turn screen blanking off

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GreyFoxx:

xset s off

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serfrs:

I'm running Ubuntu edgy with openbox as the forntend

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serfrs:

tried that

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ByteChanger:

GreyFoxx: Yeah, good point... I'm pretty new to linux... it still amazes me everyday! :)

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GreyFoxx:

I just use that in my .xinitrc before my window manager is started

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serfrs:

still goes blank afeter 15 min

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GreyFoxx:

there is also a xset dpms off

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GreyFoxx:

Ibelieve

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serfrs:

did both

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GreyFoxx:

but I've never had to use that

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ByteChanger:

oh i was just reading about that... 1 sec

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serfrs:

actually xset -dpms

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CyberKnet:

hey there.

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serfrs:

I tried xset -dpms, xset s off off..... still goes blank

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serfrs:

and now even tried xset s force off

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GreyFoxx:

Check your windowmanager, maybe it has it's own setting

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serfrs:

well, running openbox

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GreyFoxx:

stuff like KDE and gnome have their own seperate screensave settings

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serfrs:

openbox is just that.. a open box

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serfrs:

an empty box that is

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serfrs:

comes with nothing

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GreyFoxx:

*shrug*

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serfrs:

hmmm

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CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: I was looking into why I am getting duplicate key presses on my niveus remote... I think raising the define for FILTER_TIME (default 100ms) will solve it... wondered if you had any other thoughts before I tried that?

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serfrs:

guess I'mm plug away at it tomarrow

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serfrs:

night all

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GreyFoxx:

CyberKnet: That is exactly what you need to change

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GreyFoxx:

It's used to determine repeat rate

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CyberKnet:

hmmm

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CyberKnet:

it''s like every time I press the button just once very quickly it sends two keypresses

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CyberKnet:

I guess you must have very nimble fingers!

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GreyFoxx:

That's cause it sends like 5 each time you press it

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ByteChanger:

checked your bios?

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GreyFoxx:

the Filtertime forces there to be at least a space between us assuming it's actually another button press

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CyberKnet:

I'm thinking probably at least 250ms there...

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CyberKnet:

but I'm curious how you have yours working at 100ms

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ByteChanger:

delete option "DPMS"

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GreyFoxx:

We likely just have a different HZ value compiled into our kernels

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GreyFoxx:

CyberKnet: You can play with it

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GreyFoxx:

there is a "repeat_filter" module parameter

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CyberKnet:

Sorry to be a kernel newbie ... but HZ value?

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CyberKnet:

Oooh, that's a great idea.

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CyberKnet:

I hadn't noticed that one.

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CyberKnet:

no recompile :)

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GreyFoxx:

FILTER_TIME is the default that repeat_filter gets assigned , but is overrriden by the module parameter

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livingtm:

I cant seem to get the build dependencies installed on my machine in order to compile mythtv

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livingtm:

the libqt3-devel package wont install

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CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: other than perusing the source, is there a way to see what parameters a module accepts?

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GreyFoxx:

packages suck :)

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livingtm:

anyone had this issue on ubuntu?

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GreyFoxx:

CyberKnet: "modinfo modulename"

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jd86:

GreyFoxx, packages do suck

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CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: sweet, thanks :)

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livingtm:

GreyFoxx, I dont know how to do it any other way

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: Packages have the capacity of sucking.

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: Generally they work very well, provided all of the packages are made by people on the same page.

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CyberKnet:

Packages are better sucked than sucking.

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CyberKnet:

just FYI.

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livingtm:

how can i install the qt3 devel stuff when im having dep conflicts

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tjcarter:

And then there's the Ubuntu packages to show what happens when half of the packages are built by people who don't give a flying fig about MythTV..

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tjcarter:

livingtm: NV conflicts?

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livingtm:

tjcarter, libglu1-mesa-dev: Depends: libglu1-mesa (= 6.5.1~20060817–0ubuntu3) but 6.5.1+cvs20060824 is to be installed

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livingtm:

mesa stuff... probably beryl screwed with that

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tjcarter:

livingtm: yeah, it's annoying. Edgy?

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livingtm:

yes

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livingtm:

so mesa-dev isnt as new as the CVS mesa that beryl uses i take it

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tjcarter:

If the frontend didn't have some serious bugs on a Mac that I can't find, I'd probably do my development there.

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jd86:

I'm having problems with mythtv sporadically crashing, I originally thought it was due to MV errors, but now those aren't happening, just dieing.

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livingtm:

ans qt3-dev needs mesa-dev

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tjcarter:

Nothing I've got is suitable for inclusion outside of my own tree yet.

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tjcarter:

=(

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livingtm:

so if youve got beryl on edgy, you cant build mythtv?

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livingtm:

speaking of sucking...

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tjcarter:

I have NV drivers, so I can't build mythtv on Edgy anyway

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livingtm:

nvidia?

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tjcarter:

yes. Redheaded stepchild of Ubuntu packages.

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** CyberKnet REALLY needs to get a better video card on his myth box **

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livingtm:

fiesty will fix that?

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tjcarter:

They can't be treated nicely because Richard Stallman would object to that.

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livingtm:

hehe

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tjcarter:

Maybe.

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CyberKnet:

Windows Vista barfed when I changed out the motherboard & cpu. I wonder if FC6 would mind...

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livingtm:

Im all for Stallman, but i just want my stuff to work :-)

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tuxrules:

hi people...I have a quick question. Hoping somebody can help me

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tuxrules:

fast-forwarding a recording in mythtv hangs the frontend

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tuxrules:

only happens if I got 5X or above

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livingtm:

Isnt it strange that the mesa-devel depends on a mesa binary?

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livingtm:

tuxrules, i've seen that! dont knwo how to fix it... but i've seen it

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tuxrules:

I'm using Slackware 11 with PVR-350 and PVR-150. Mythtv version 0.20, ivtv 0.10.1 and lirc 0.8.1

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tuxrules:

i am stumped...started my mythbox atleast six times since this evening

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tuxrules:

because after fast-forward at 5X or above...the damn thing just freezes

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tuxrules:

only solution is to restart

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eelriver:

Start it from a console and see if there are any error messages

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tuxrules:

i log all errors and there's nothing unusual in both frontend and backend logs

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eelriver:

It might not be a myth error, so myth might not log it

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sigger_:

livingtm, you still having probs compiling?

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livingtm:

sigger, yeah

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sigger_:

I just did it myself, so maybe I can help

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livingtm:

sigger, ubuntu edgy?

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sigger_:

yep!

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livingtm:

beryl?

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sigger_:

my sister in law?

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sigger_:

no

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livingtm:

i cant get the build dep's installed

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sigger_:

ok, what deps appear to be unsatisfied

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livingtm:

libqt3-mt-devel has unmet dependencies...

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sigger_:

k, one sec

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livingtm:

because it depends on libglu1-mesa-dev

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livingtm:

which depends on an older version of libglu1-mesa

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sigger_:

I apt-get'ed libqt3-mt-dev

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livingtm:

tried that: libqt3-mt-dev: Depends: libglu1-mesa-dev but it is not going to be installed or

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sigger_:

beryl use different packages than apt-get

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sigger_:

?

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livingtm:

yeah it uses a CVS version of mesa i think

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adnick56:

Does anyone know why in mythweb on the recorded programs page the "Delete" and "Delete and Rerecord" buttons would be missing?

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jd86:

hah my mythbackend.log is 2.7GB

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sigger_:

you stuck on beryl. I just did it with apt-get and it wasn't toooo bad

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tjcarter:

Annoying bugs on Mac: Aspect never works anymore, and seeking too fast (press left arrow twice rapidly for example) will seek to beginning of stream.

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tjcarter:

same for any two very rapid seeks

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tjcarter:

Both only happen on Mac, and hte aspect problem is new to 0.20

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tjcarter:

If not for being able to find the cause of the seek bug no matter what I tried, I'd probably move all of my stuff to the Mac and finish it so I can submit patches.

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** tjcarter has modified MythTV to talk =) **

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tjcarter:

The patch is bigger than I would have expected because it has to create new key commands to read stuff.

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tjcarter:

The mythtalk script was really easy to write though.. My setup has it literally just a script--it adds a couple of [] commands to most things and spits them out the serial port to my DECTalk Express.

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tjcarter:

The network version is slightly more complex.. It passes the commands over a network to a very similar non-script on my Mac that speaks through Macintalk.

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clever:

one of my seeking bugs

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clever:

seek forward goes father then seek back

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clever:

so if i seek forward past the end of a comercial

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tjcarter:

Commands are of the form <cmd> [<lang> <text>]

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clever:

i have to seek back several times to get back into it

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tjcarter:

"say en Jericho " "stfu" etc =)

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tjcarter:

the silence command IS stfu ;)

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tjcarter:

clever: you're responsible for the Mac bug or you have your own bug?

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tjcarter:

clever: I have my forward seek longer than my back seek actually.

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clever:

i think its my own bug

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tjcarter:

The seeking problem I'm seeing restarts the stream

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clever:

could be they just arent set the same here and im thinking its a bug

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tjcarter:

That's a good question, and I can't rightly remember the answer.

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tjcarter:

My myth box is currently out of commission. =(

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clever:

:(

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clever:

only frontend in my reach right now is the spare laptop based one im using for irc:P

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clever:

and the 200mb tmpfs i made for a torrent is eating half my swap

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clever:

and mythfrontend needs 80% of my swap

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clever:

so the fe probly wont load on here right now

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tjcarter:

I need to disable frontend on this box completely when I bring it back online and will have to deal with the bugs on Mac frontends for awhile

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mistone:

I have two questions: I have a HDTV and regular cable and it works great but I want to upgrade to HDtv, should I just buy a digtal reiciever?

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mistone:

also if I use mythtv's upnp server how do I get it showing up in windows,xbox 360 and linux? should I use another upnp server for that?

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tjcarter:

myth has upnp server?

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clever_:

i think so

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clever_:

not shure how done it is

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mistone:

:/

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mistone:

ok I prob shoud anyways

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spinull:

yo

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spinull:

what formats can mythtv record in?

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cesman:

depends on your tuner

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cesman:

"software" based tuners are mpeg4 (nupplevideo) or RTJPEG

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cesman:

hardware based, HD and DVB are MPEG2

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spinull:

we have one at work that is compatable with linux

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spinull:

its hardware based, mpeg2

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spinull:

i want high quality with super compression

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spinull:

as do most people im sure

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cesman:

there is about support for plextor convertx while is mpeg 4

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cesman:

divx I believe

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spinull:

fractured sentence

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spinull:

what now?

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cesman:

the plextor convertx is records in divx I believe

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spinull:

hhmm

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cesman:

you can use a hardware tuner and transcode to mpeg4

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spinull:

is it USB by any chance

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cesman:

yes, it is

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spinull:

my options are limited to pcmcia or USB

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spinull:

cool

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spinull:

could i not just use a hardware mpeg2 decoder and convert to divx?

[05:03:02]

cesman:

yes

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spinull:

granted that would use my processor, but i have enough processor that thats ok

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spinull:

how can i convert to divx in linux?

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Honk:

if you've got too many, send one to me =)

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Honk:

divx is nothing but mpeg4, is it? =)

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cesman:

yes and no

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Honk:

well.. mpeg4 will probably do for his needs anyway :]

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cesman:

spinull: there are scripts on the mythtv wiki and mailing list archive

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Honk:

and if he really needs higher quality, x264 would be a lot more fun

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cesman:

:)

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Honk:

at least it'd keep his cpu from being bored

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cesman:

lol

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spinull:

iv not got HD yet, i probably wont until someone at the cable company figures out i have cable im not paying for

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spinull:

of which, i made no effort to obtain

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spinull:

it just came on one day

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cesman:

aren't those the best days....

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spinull:

it won't last long

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cesman:

those days never do :/

[05:06:19]

spinull:

unless the guy who lived here before spliced into my neighbors

[05:06:27]

spinull:

i don't want to question it too much

[05:07:00]

spinull:

don't look a gift horse in the mouth

[05:09:55]

spinull:

sorry to ask without reading but im on a shell right now

[05:10:09]

spinull:

will mythtv skip commercials?

[05:11:22]

onewheelskyward:

yes, in most cases it does very well.

[05:11:55]

onewheelskyward:

The only thing I have trouble with is older TV shows in major syndication (like, from the 70's.)

[05:12:04]

onewheelskyward:

Anything modern is spot on.,

[05:12:11]

onewheelskyward:

I'm in the US, btw.

[05:13:03]

spinull:

k, cool

[05:13:28]

spinull:

i guess i'll buy that tv tuner from work tomorrow and get this laptop setup

[05:13:50]

onewheelskyward:

You can configure whether myth will skip commercials, notify you when they're coming up, or just play straight through. All configurable through the front end.

[05:14:21]

spinull:

the only think i need now is a way to output the screen to the tv

[05:14:40]

spinull:

im using radeon drivers, i might have to switch to fglrx

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spinull:

to use s-video

[05:16:57]

spinull:

the TV is so small though

[05:18:31]

tjcarter:

most cases

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tjcarter:

myth can't do shows on my second tuner right at all because of interference

[05:19:22]

spinull:

im getting the win-tv pvr usb 2.0

[05:19:25]

** tjcarter wonders if latest kernel and ivtv fix that, but suspects the PVR500 is just a crappy card. **

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onewheelskyward:

Oh it's not crappy. The software just has to catch up with the hardware. Such is life in open source land.

[05:20:30]

onewheelskyward:

I heard something about better PVR-500 support in a recent version, ahve you checked the release notes?

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clever_:

i have a bt848 frame grabber

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clever_:

the software caught up ages ago:P

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tjcarter:

onewheelskyward: not yet.

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tjcarter:

onewheelskyward: I figured I'd look into that tonight and haven't gotten to it yet.

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onewheelskyward:

Cool man. Sorry I can't be of more help, but I have an old PVR-350.

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tjcarter:

nothing mentioned in changelog for 0.10.1

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** tjcarter checks elsewhere **

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tjcarter:

nope, nothing there. Unless I start looking at commit logs (and I'm not sure I remember where those are)

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** grOogle scratches his head. **

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grOogle:

OK, I have a box with three tuners.

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grOogle:

How do I get MythWeb to display each programme only once?

[05:30:19]

spinull:

the wintv pvr usb has an ir port (for the remote)

[05:30:26]

spinull:

can i use that for other things as well?

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spinull:

ie, file transfer

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grOogle:

spinull: I wouldn't think so.

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grOogle:

spinull: Why would you want to do that?

[05:31:19]

spinull:

or use an entirely different remote to control other aspects of the system

[05:31:26]

spinull:

idk, say i want to transfer a pda to my phone

[05:31:30]

spinull:

pdf*

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grOogle:

spinull: There's nothing stopping you using a different remote control.

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tjcarter:

the protocols are very different between remotes and irda

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spinull:

i have beryl running on this system

[05:32:29]

spinull:

so for example, id use one remote to control ubunutu, and another just for mythtv

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tjcarter:

Actually, I think I might be able to teach lirc how to use my Firefly remote.. I never finished the ati_remote changes to support this remote and receiver combo..

[05:33:30]

tjcarter:

It's basically an X10 remote, but it's not quite that simple.

[05:33:49]

tjcarter:

Codes are kinda different/weird.

[05:33:56]

spinull:

i saw a video of someone using a wii control with bery

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spinull:

l

[05:34:06]

spinull:

gd this keyboard sucks

[05:34:09]

spinull:

i have to bang on it

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spinull:

i guess what i'll do is just attach a wireless keyboard and mouse to this computer, and go buy a different remote, so i can add functions

[05:35:31]

** grOogle hands spinull a brick. **

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spinull:

i don't get it

[05:36:17]

grOogle:

spinull: To bang on your keyboard.

[05:36:25]

spinull:

oh

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tjcarter:

hmm, hamsta never updated his packages for edgy proper.

[05:36:35]

spinull:

yeah, im slow

[05:36:56]

spinull:

i'll prolly pull this keyboard out and clean it ffs

[05:37:15]

spinull:

even though im prolly never gonna use it once i get this system setup

[05:37:59]

spinull:

omg, i just realized, my phone has an ir port, i could dl a remote for it and use my phone as a keyboard maybe

[05:39:00]

** grOogle tries his luck again. **

[05:39:11]

grOogle:

So I have three tuners. How do I get MythWeb to display each programme only once?

[05:41:55]

clever_:

when you set a recording rule there are duplicate detection options

[05:42:06]

clever_:

which default to title and subtitle

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grOogle:

clever_: Yes, and they seem to work.

[05:42:19]

grOogle:

clever_: But I get each program shown three times on the web display.

[05:42:29]

clever_:

i have just 1 tuner but it doesnt rerecord the shows when they rerun

[05:42:32]

grOogle:

clever_: It doesn't seem to do quite the same thing under mythfrontend.

[05:42:39]

clever_:

yeah i see the reruns in mythweb also

[05:42:51]

clever_:

and there marked as allready recorded and that airing wont be recorded

[05:43:07]

clever_:

i enter all my rules thru mythweb

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grOogle:

clever_: No, these aren't reruns. Each program is shown three times for the same start and end time and channel, once per tuner.

[05:43:16]

clever_:

much easyer to do with a mouse

[05:43:37]

clever_:

ahh so it will record all 3 airings at once?

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grOogle:

clever_: No, it selects one of them.

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grOogle:

clever_: It's just a MythWeb thing, I think, possibly a bug.

[05:44:07]

clever_:

ahh:S

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clever_:

xris: i think is the one mainly working on mythweb

[05:44:21]

** clever_ pokes xris **

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grOogle:

Though currently I have one analogue and two digital tuners, and the call signs are slightly different, so mythfrontend shows them twice.

[05:44:50]

grOogle:

But that seems fixable.

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** grOogle goes back and talks to mysql. **

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spinull:

someone find me an ir software keyboard

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spinull:

for my pocket pc

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spinull:

heh

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xris:

clever: and kormoc lately

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clever_:

ahh:)

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xris:

grOogle: mythtv groups things by callsign, so if they're different, it'll see them as different channels

[05:54:48]

xris:

mythweb's not quite so smart

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spinull:

man, i cant wait to get this setup

[05:56:03]

spinull:

i think im gonna have to use a diplexor and just use myth to record at this point

[05:56:14]

spinull:

i have no means of outputting to the tv

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grOogle:

xris: Yes, I discovered that.

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grOogle:

xris: But this is more complicated than I thought.

[05:56:51]

grOogle:

xris: If I select the MythWeb listings page, I get each program once.

[05:57:24]

grOogle:

xris: But if I select the "searches" (which seem broken anyway, nothing canned), it shows me each program once for each tuner that can receive it.

[05:57:25]

spinull:

what is the point of 3 tuners, (two to record, one to watch)

[05:57:37]

grOogle:

spinull: Three different channels at the same time.

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grOogle:

spinull: And there's one channel here that's only analogue.

[05:57:51]

spinull:

now thats multi-tasking

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clever_:

this week theres a marathon on one channel

[05:57:59]

clever_:

1 show all day long

[05:58:08]

clever_:

which is causing alot of colisions with other shows i want to record

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spinull:

i see

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clever_:

and my 1 tunner/card setup cant handle that:P

[05:58:44]

clever_:

having to go thru it and pick which one i want to record

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spinull:

i need a sweet @$$ tv

[05:59:16]

spinull:

42" (or higher) HD LCD

[05:59:22]

spinull:

larger*

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clever_:

i was also able to watch some of the nonrecord shows on another tuner+tv which was seperate

[05:59:29]

clever_:

so i didnt exactly miss the show

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** grOogle praises projectors. **

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spinull:

i need a way to output to my tv

[06:00:09]

spinull:

which is currently a pos

[06:00:13]

xris:

grOogle: not quite sure what you mean about mythweb, but there *are* a few known issues with channel/search stuff like that already listed in trac.

[06:00:16]

xris:

afk

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clever_:

i have a tvout card

[06:00:24]

clever_:

also i can use my laptop ti watch the files without a tv

[06:00:37]

clever_:

the desktop would also work feeding directly to the moniter

[06:00:40]

spinull:

i will prolly wind up doing that alot

[06:00:51]

spinull:

oh man

[06:00:52]

spinull:

so

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grOogle:

xris: OK, when I select "searches" from the bar at the top, I get a menu of different "pre-prepared" searches.

[06:01:00]

spinull:

i could have the tv tuner on one machine

[06:01:03]

clever_:

my backend is a framegrabber and has trouble playing and recording at once

[06:01:10]

grOogle:

xris: No matter which I select, it hasn't been pre-prepared.

[06:01:13]

spinull:

and then have a desktop output to the tv

[06:01:16]

clever_:

you can put 5 tuners in 1 box in the basement

[06:01:24]

clever_:

and then put 10 frontend boxes arround the house

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grOogle:

xris: So I select a manua search between now and +2 days.

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clever_:

and be watchihg 5 live channels and 5 allready recorded ones at once if you wanted

[06:01:52]

spinull:

oh man

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grOogle:

xris: And the output of that search shows each program once for each tuner that can receive it.

[06:02:15]

spinull:

asuming they are connecte via cat 5

[06:02:21]

clever_:

yeah

[06:02:21]

spinull:

wireless won't be able to handle that

[06:02:32]

clever_:

my laptop is actualy viewing 1 stream over wifi b

[06:02:32]

** grOogle wonders if he should put his other two tuners in the box as well, Just Because He Can. **

[06:02:37]

spinull:

what if i got an 802.11n

[06:02:42]

clever_:

its the slower wifi but it can handle it

[06:02:53]

spinull:

i know all about wifi

[06:03:00]

clever_:

i have a g router

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spinull:

i just didn't think it would be able to handle it

[06:03:04]

clever_:

and a b and a g laptops

[06:03:14]

clever_:

mpeg4 encoding can stream over b wifi

[06:03:21]

clever_:

rtjpeg cant

[06:03:25]

spinull:

well, the mythbox im setting up is a p4 laptop

[06:03:29]

clever_:

rtjpeg is sometimes 5gig/hour

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spinull:

2.8ghz

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spinull:

with wifi

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clever_:

if you had the hdd space you could record several days worth of shows

[06:04:09]

clever_:

and stream them to several frontend boxes

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spinull:

its like 80 gigs

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spinull:

or so

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spinull:

onesec

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clever_:

12gig for my mythtv atm

[06:04:34]

clever_:

painfull

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grOogle:

clever_: That's only 90 minutes of 1080i.

[06:04:54]

clever_:

i dont get hdtv

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spinull:

hhmm

[06:05:13]

clever_:

digital 4:3 tv

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spinull:

maybe is a 40 gig

[06:05:16]

clever_:

goes thru the cable box

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clever_:

out composite and into my comp

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spinull:

ok, what about this

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spinull:

my roommates comuter has a tv tuner in it

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spinull:

windows though

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clever_:

you could dualboot it to linux

[06:06:52]

clever_:

and when you need the card reboot to linux

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spinull:

its not linux compatabe

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clever_:

ahh:S

[06:07:02]

spinull:

however

[06:07:07]

clever_:

what card?

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spinull:

ati tv wonder usb 3

[06:07:15]

spinull:

2

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clever_:

ahh:S

[06:07:22]

spinull:

yeah

[06:07:44]

spinull:

anywho, i could still record shows off of it, and use the mythbox to transcode to mpeg4 right?

[06:07:47]

clever_:

my ati video card in my laptop gives me problems on linux

[06:07:58]

spinull:

however it records in like .ms-dvr

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clever_:

you could take those recordings you manualy started/stoped

[06:08:08]

clever_:

and save to some format posibly avi

[06:08:15]

clever_:

and just stick them on the harddrive of the backend

[06:08:21]

clever_:

and use mythvideo to play them back

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spinull:

im prolly just gonna setup a network share

[06:08:34]

clever_:

the mythvideo plugin can play allmost any video format

[06:08:50]

clever_:

you will need to nfs share the files between the front and backends

[06:09:07]

clever_:

doesnt have to be nfs but that seems easiest to me

[06:09:34]

spinull:

i need to relocate my router now

[06:09:37]

spinull:

or not use one

[06:09:40]

spinull:

hhmm

[06:09:56]

spinull:

setup a p2p network

[06:11:47]

spinull:

my apt has free wifi, and the built in card is broadcom, which using the bcm43xx driver, requires the module to be reloaded frequently

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clever_:

:S

[06:13:11]

clever_:

my card can go for days without any problems

[06:13:27]

clever_:

and i can even hotswap the tcp connections from wifi to wired

[06:13:31]

clever_:

without loosing a connection

[06:13:50]

clever_:

several times ive moved a slow running file copy off wifi and onto a wired line

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clever_:

while it was moving the file

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clever_:

and got an instant speed boost

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spinull:

so, i'll setup a p2p network with my roommates computer, ndiswrapper another card in this sob, use the bcm card for kismet,

[06:14:08]

spinull:

its not broadcom

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Dagmar:

You don't need a mythbox to transcode video.

[06:16:17]

spinull:

im trying to decide on something, i can either be an ass and make a script to parse output from a file and auto run another script to deauthenticate users on my apts wifi, or move my router to the other room

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spinull:

i don't, but its easier to have the mythbox do it

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spinull:

mythtv has a web interface to stream across the internet right?

[06:19:57]

clever_:

mythweb can stream the files mythtv recorded

[06:20:09]

clever_:

i sometimes use that to watch the shows on an xp box

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spinull:

but not live tv?

[06:20:39]

spinull:

oh well

[06:21:29]

spinull:

if i setup a p2p network, ill have orb streaming live tv as well as any recordings,

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clever_:

i dont use livetv anymore

[06:22:01]

clever_:

but i can get the same effect with streaming

[06:22:11]

clever_:

set a record rule and wait for it to start recording

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spinull:

then start watching it

[06:22:22]

clever_:

then 30 sec later start streaming the file down to watch

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spinull:

i gotcha

[06:22:34]

clever_:

even if you stop watching it keeps recording

[06:22:46]

clever_:

which is a bit better then livetv which stops if you stop watching

[06:22:56]

spinull:

yeah

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clever_:

also if i pause real livetv

[06:23:01]

clever_:

it keeps recording the channel

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clever_:

for days if i let it:P

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clever_:

which would be a mess

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spinull:

the cool thing about orb (for winXP) is that i can stream to my phone

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clever_:

if i set a show to record then pause its playback

[06:23:41]

clever_:

it will stop when the show is over

[06:24:05]

clever_:

the bitrate for my mythtv recordings is about 300kb/sec

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clever_:

and then it needs about half of my 700mhz laptop cpu to decode and play that

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spinull:

i really need to get my own cable connection, but free wifi is just so... cheap

[06:24:34]

clever_:

not shure your phone would handle that:P

[06:24:46]

spinull:

yeah, definately not

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clever_:

i heard of a mythweb plugin

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clever_:

which transcodes to flash

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clever_:

for playing back in a browser like youtube plays

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clever_:

greatly reduce the quality

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spinull:

that would be handy, if myphone played flash

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JosX:

hmm wouldnt doubt it, I have and use something like that for my wii

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spinull:

i want to use a wiimote with beryl

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clever_:

ive seen a wiimote being used to move a real sword

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clever_:

deadly thing it looks

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JosX:

I am stoked I am making my 1st MythTV system :D

[06:27:13]

spinull:

werd

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spinull:

i feel that

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tjcarter:

so do people running edgy generally use the Ubuntu Myth packages, or are 3rd party packages still the norm?

[06:28:12]

clever_:

that uses a wiimote to control a large machine

[06:28:32]

clever_:

im running ubuntu 6.06 and i installed mythtv from svn

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clever_:

beta source nearly

[06:29:29]

spinull:

i have everything installed from repo

[06:29:33]

spinull:

just not configured

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clever_:

mythtv is arround 0.20

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clever_:

the packages in ubuntu 6.06 where version 0.18

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tjcarter:

clever_: They're more up to date in edgy.

[06:30:17]

clever_:

last time i upgraded my ubuntu version

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clever_:

it was a mess

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tjcarter:

I'm using hamsta's dapper packages, but they don't totally work correctly.

[06:30:32]

clever_:

it runs but just bearly

[06:31:04]

spinull:

ok, so heres a question to which there is an obvious answer

[06:31:13]

spinull:

should i use my apt wifi, or my own

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tjcarter:

for myth?

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clever_:

linux and a wifi card can act like a router making your own network

[06:31:34]

spinull:

yea

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tjcarter:

Frontend and backend on different boxes?

[06:31:44]

spinull:

yeah

[06:31:48]

clever_:

if you can set the mode to master it will basicaly be a wifi ap

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tjcarter:

Wire it if you can. If you can't, use your own.

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spinull:

i can, but like i said earlier, its broadcom

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spinull:

i could go talk to the guy actually, and see if i could run a cable to the router in the attic

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xris:

spinull: wireless bandwidth isn't very good for video streaming

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clever_:

im able to stream normal avi files over wifi without any problems here

[06:34:00]

clever_:

mythtv videos are a bit tricky but it can handle it some of the time

[06:34:23]

tjcarter:

xris: will it do for a single stream at a time do you think?

[06:34:31]

tjcarter:

xris: my only option for the time being =/

[06:35:57]

xris:

tjcarter: you can record at whatever bitrate you need to fit the signal.

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xris:

G works ok, though. B is a bit slow for decent quality

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clever_:

i have b here

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tjcarter:

G is what I have.

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clever_:

streaming standard def 4:3 mpeg4 encoded tv

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clever_:

300kb/sec is what im reading on the cisco switch at the port for the wifi router

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spinull_:

see that

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clever_:

saw a nick change

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spinull_:

thats why wifi sucks

[06:39:49]

clever_:

lol

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clever_:

my wifi has allmost never done that

[06:40:08]

spinull_:

i think its the routers actually

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spinull_:

is yours broadcom?

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clever_:

could just be my placemetn of my router

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clever_:

dlink router

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clever_:

linksys card

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spinull_:

my problem is broadcom

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clever_:

pcmcia card

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spinull_:

or the d-link router

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spinull_:

it drops out, but i can still ping the router

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spinull_:

but not the outside world

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clever_:

odd

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spinull:

yeah

[06:41:16]

clever_:

my router is set to keep the dsl up

[06:41:31]

clever_:

but some routers may be set to disconnect if idle too long

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spinull:

it could be any number of things actually

[06:41:44]

spinull:

the admin has nested routers

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spinull:

on one cable connection

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spinull:

there are about 10 buildings with 3 routers each

[06:42:26]

spinull:

the routers are nested, but one of them is bridged to a main router

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spinull:

that has the cableconnection

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clever_:

lol

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clever_:

double nating can cause problems i hear

[06:42:57]

clever_:

when i first got my wifi router

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spinull:

this goes way beyond double nesting

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clever_:

going thru the wifi router

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tjcarter:

hm, I have a lot of recordings set up, and I just moved.. If the channel ID is the same, will these move to the new channels?

[06:43:35]

clever_:

then thru the wired router and cameout as my public ip

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tjcarter:

ie, Battlestar Galactica recorded on SCIFIP at the new time..

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spinull:

there are soooo many diff subnets

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clever_:

lol

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clever_:

and connected the lan ports of both routers

[06:44:22]

clever_:

now there the same subnet

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clever_:

only one is beung used as a gateway

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clever_:

both have the dhcp shut off

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spinull:

he needs to setup static routes, but hes a dumb fuck

[06:44:52]

spinull:

im about to get him fired

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clever_:

lol

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spinull:

this setup is the worst iv ever seen

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clever_:

set each router to a uniq private ip on the same subnet

[06:45:15]

spinull:

each building needs its own cable modem

[06:45:25]

clever_:

turn off dhcp for all except the one to the external world

[06:45:36]

clever_:

wire the lan ports of each together into a tree layout

[06:45:39]

spinull:

well that would work except

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spinull:

there are far more that 254 people using it

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clever_:

that would give a shared connection

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clever_:

then use a diff subnet

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clever_:

10.x.x.x

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spinull:

hes not that smart

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clever_:

that will handle over 60k

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clever_:

get him to hire you then:P

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spinull:

i tried

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spinull:

he said hed see

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spinull:

but im sure he lied

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Dagmar:

Dude, if you're going to trash talk beyond your capacity for accuracy, at least try using the spacebar more and the enter key less.

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spinull:

thats just my style negro

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clever_:

lol

[06:47:42]

spinull:

my spacebar is kinda jacked to, so its easier

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Dagmar:

Oh, I see. ...and here I thought being proud of your ignorance was only a southern trait.

[06:47:52]

spinull:

i am southern so its ok

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clever_:

im canadian:P

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spinull:

its not trash talk if its true

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Dagmar:

For the record, no, there's not likely a need for static routes. Using a number of different subnet masks when you have a number of different physical segments is perfectly normal, and I just can't freaking see what 254 people has to do with farking any of it.

[06:49:19]

Dagmar:

What's true is that you apparently haven't set up a network outside of your own apartment.

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kormoc:

it's trashy talk if most people struggle to understand what you are attempting to say

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clever_:

with over 254 people

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clever_:

using multiple subnets will i think just messup inter apt usage

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clever_:

yeah but i said 10.x.x.x which would be a mask of 255.0.0.0

[06:51:06]

clever_:

more then enough

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spinull:

we were on the same page

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clever_:

where Y is the router number and z is the pc within that router

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clever_:

and all trafic to the web will go out fine

[06:52:14]

clever_:

static routers will probly be needed for the trafic to go back and forth withint he lans

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** kormoc shurgs **

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kormoc:

not like this matters in the least or is on topic in the least

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Dagmar:

kormoc: I'd take that as an insult

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kormoc:

Dagmar, ooh?

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spinull:

nobody else was taking part in the conversation until they wanted to trash talk me, the admin of the network here has no formal education, static routes would have been for for communication between peers on different subnets

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spinull:

which is why i said that

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Dagmar:

No one else probably has serious objections to the propagation of *bad clue* that I do

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clever_:

if you made it all 1 giant subnet it may cause more harm with a broadcast or a samba based virus

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Dagmar:

There is no reasonable need for static routes in the setup you described.

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clever_:

but it wouldnt need static routers

[06:53:56]

spinull:

i wasn't trying to trash talk anyone, just point out the bad situation my net connection is in

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kormoc:

Dagmar, heh, fair 'nuff. I figure they'll learn eventually...

[06:54:42]

spinull:

well, with nested routers, i can have a shared folder with my roommatescomputer that is connected to a different router than i am

[06:55:05]

clever_:

but is he one nest up

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clever_:

or one nest up over and down

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spinull:

with static routes enabled, i could

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clever_:

brother or uncle:P

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clever_:

static routers make the relations of the nests matter less

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spinull:

it depends really, sometimes she* connects to a different router

[06:55:55]

spinull:

exactly

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Dagmar:

You could do it without static routes if you knew what you were doing..

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spinull:

that was my point

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clever_:

thats probly if you nested the rotuers right

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clever_:

and or did port forwarding on some to expose certain computers

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spinull:

with how its setup now, that would be nice

[06:57:03]

clever_:

also just double nating will probly kill upnp port forwarding

[06:57:08]

spinull:

however, each building really needs its own connection

[06:57:22]

clever_:

what if all the tenants got together

[06:57:24]

spinull:

all this nesting and bridging is really causing some trouble

[06:57:28]

clever_:

and shared the bill of a t1 line?

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Dagmar:

It would be slower than the cablemodem for what most of them want to be doing.

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kormoc:

why bother with a t1? just get a higher speed fiber for cheaper...

[06:57:49]

clever_:

spreading a expensive connection over over 250 people makes it cheaper

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clever_:

then do that:P

[06:58:06]

kormoc:

$160 a month for 30/5 fiber

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spinull:

we dont have fiber option here

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Dagmar:

They've probably got at least 512K up with a buisness-class agreement with the cable provider. Likely uncapped downstream.

[06:58:41]

spinull:

we are hillbillies

[06:58:45]

tjcarter:

hmm, perhaps you guys can help me with an Ubuntu race condition I'm trying to kill...

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tjcarter:

I have a WinTV PVR-500 and a cheap framebuffer with an unsupported tuner.

[06:59:09]

kormoc:

spinull, you shouldn't have a computer then. you should hawk it for some booze

[06:59:15]

spinull:

heh

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: You use a phillips-head screwdriver to remove the framebuffer card.

[06:59:23]

tjcarter:

Problem is, I can't control where that framegrabber shows up.

[06:59:40]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: I use framegrabber for my PS2 =/

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clever_:

?

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kormoc:

tjcarter, might want to read up on udev rules, that will solve it (or point you in the right direction)

[07:00:13]

clever_:

ive used udev rules to make shure my eth interfaces stay right

[07:00:23]

clever_:

dont want my router swaping lan and wan on me:P

[07:00:43]

tjcarter:

kormoc: how? So far as udev would be concerned, they'd all look the same, wouldn't they?

[07:00:58]

clever_:

what about the exact pci adr?

[07:01:00]

kormoc:

tjcarter, no, you'd write a rule based on the pci-id or similar

[07:01:02]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: Nope. You can tie udev rules to the MAC address of the card.

[07:01:17]

clever_:

mac adr is only for net cards

[07:01:26]

clever_:

but the pci-id will work for other cards

[07:01:27]

Dagmar:

Doh too many channels

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tjcarter:

oh!

[07:01:36]

clever_:

that i think is based on the slot on the motherboard

[07:02:01]

Dagmar:

You can write udev rules based on a lotta junk tho, pci bus id included

[07:02:22]

clever_:

udev man pages away

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kormoc:

I'd recommend pci-id over bus-id, as then you can swap the cards around and they'll still map correctly

[07:02:54]

clever_:

pci-id is like a model number?

[07:03:00]

Dagmar:

Ye

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kormoc:

typically

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clever_:

ahhh

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clever_:

was getting pciid and busid mixed up:P

[07:03:21]

kormoc:

it's what lspci uses to 'detect' cards

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Dagmar:

Every PCI and USB device has two numbers associated with it that are supposed to describe to the host computer _exactly_ what they are

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clever_:

part of the pci id i think says the fact its a eth card or so

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k-man:

what do you call the osd you get when you press menu while watching a recording?

[07:04:04]

Dagmar:

Vendor and Product ID. For PCI this info is pretty damn reliable. For USB devices, mostly reliable until you start dorking around with cheap chinese usb webcams

[07:04:24]

Dagmar:

clever: look in /usr/share/pci.ids

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clever_:

if i take 2 identical cards wont the pciid be the same?

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kormoc:

yes

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kormoc:

but in this case, it doesn't matter

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Dagmar:

That's just the plaintext strings associated with the things so lspci can tell you something you can read. There's a whole 'nother set of numbers for describing what a card can *do*

[07:05:23]

clever_:

kormoc: enless the cards input doesnt match

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** kormoc blinks **

[07:05:47]

kormoc:

how does the inputs matter at all?

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clever_:

what if my 1st pvr-500 is going to the sat box

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clever_:

and the other to the digital cable box

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kormoc:

they'll always detect in order of 1 then 2

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Dagmar:

Then you should hopefully have been smart enough to define two channel sources, have bound the cards by bus id, etc

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clever_:

ahhh cards of the same type are detected in order allways?

[07:06:48]

Dagmar:

I don't know about that

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kormoc:

when they're on their own bus controled by the card...

[07:07:06]

clever_:

but it kinda makes sense

[07:07:10]

Dagmar:

I don't think there's actually any guarantee as to what order identical cards are enumerated in

[07:07:23]

clever_:

each diff driver may load in parrale

[07:07:26]

kormoc:

Dagmar, that is true, the pvr 500 is special in how it works.

[07:07:33]

clever_:

but the pvr-500 driver will do each card in series

[07:07:42]

Dagmar:

Ah, yes, for the PVR-500 that shouldn't be an issue

[07:07:55]

Dagmar:

Two of them tho, no idea which one would come up first

[07:07:56]

clever_:

just using a random card name as an example

[07:08:16]

clever_:

you might get a race condition between 2 drivers of diff cards

[07:08:26]

clever_:

but 1 driver and 2 matching cards and it may be diff

[07:08:29]

kormoc:

some cards have some extra info you can use to control the load order

[07:08:32]

kormoc:

some don't

[07:08:37]

** kormoc shrugs **

[07:08:41]

kormoc:

such is life, so they say

[07:08:59]

clever_:

only time i had more then 2 similar cards was 2 times

[07:09:09]

clever_:

1st was a agp tvout+moniter and a pci moniter

[07:09:19]

clever_:

3 display setup on xp

[07:09:30]

clever_:

2nd time was onboard audio combined with a pci audio

[07:09:34]

clever_:

for my mythtv system

[07:09:41]

clever_:

neither had identical pci-id's

[07:09:47]

kormoc:

of course, those are not really similar, as they'd have different device ids...

[07:09:51]

Dagmar:

Neh. I have piles and piles of spare NICs

[07:10:08]

clever_:

ahh yeah i had 3 nics in one box once

[07:10:11]

Dagmar:

I tend to buy them wholesale in lots of 10–15 and give 'em away to people

[07:10:14]

clever_:

forgot aout that

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onewheelskyward:

Wow that reminds me of the days of old, where every card had an IRQ jumper.

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clever_:

lol

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Dagmar:

I have at least 6 tnetlan cards left over, probably 4–5 dlinks, etc etc

[07:10:55]

clever_:

that was probly isa

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onewheelskyward:

Yeah, it was ISA. :)

[07:11:13]

onewheelskyward:

8 bit _and_ 16 bit ISA mind you.

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clever_:

pci will auto select the irq

[07:12:22]

onewheelskyward:

That first transition to PCI on Windows was a mess...I used to set my IRQ's in the BIOS so they wouldn't stomp on each other.

[07:12:30]

clever_:

uart's jumps and 2 comports

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Dagmar:

onewheelskyward: No kidding

[07:13:35]

Dagmar:

I had more than a couple of motherboards that couldn't be trusted with Windows95/98's idea of ACPI routing

[07:13:53]

Dagmar:

It invariably resulted in *everything* being put on IRQ9, including the AGP video card and USB mouse.

[07:14:00]

Dagmar:

Yay for 3 fps in everything. :/

[07:14:01]

clever_:

lol

[07:14:04]

onewheelskyward:

hehe yeah. Nothing like a universal default.

[07:15:09]

Dagmar:

Still, I suppose it saved users a lot of trouble in that Windows could misconfigure the hardware _for_ them, so they woulnd't have to do it manually before bringing it into the shop.

[07:15:28]

onewheelskyward:

It eliminated the electrocution factor.

[07:15:43]

onewheelskyward:

I've almost lit my computers on fire once or twice. Aah, the good old days.

[07:15:45]

Dagmar:

Probably 5–8% of the problem machines brought in boiled down to Windows doing something stupid with automatic IRQ assignment

[07:16:04]

clever_:

i dont think ive ever shorted the power in a pc

[07:16:10]

clever_:

but a few times i ran a pc

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clever_:

without a case

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clever_:

motherboard laying on the floor beside the psu and hdd

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clever_:

pci cards sticking out of the board with nothing to support them

[07:16:44]

onewheelskyward:

Ever see the guy who submerged the components in a non-conductive liquid in a fish tank?

[07:16:56]

clever_:

even changing the ide jumpers with the power on

[07:16:58]

clever_:

and hitting reset

[07:17:06]

onewheelskyward:

heh now that's brave.

[07:17:13]

clever_:

:P

[07:17:29]

clever_:

seemed less harmfull then turning off

[07:17:33]

clever_:

changing the jumper

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Dagmar:

onewheelskyward: Mineral oil.

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clever_:

then back on 5 sec later

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clever_:

also my dad works on those high voltage transformers whcih use that oil

[07:18:11]

Dagmar:

People probably shouldn't do stuff like that and post it online because monkeys will emulate it, and being monkeys, they'll submerge their hard drives as well

[07:18:13]

clever_:

and we have small ammounts of that oil in the toolbox to top it off

[07:18:18]

onewheelskyward:

I once cross plugged my 26 pin ribbon connector from my bt848 cars to the 26 pin video connector on my on-board video...pin one got red hot and burned right out of the insulation.

[07:18:57]

clever_:

ive had my ps2 cord to a trackball mouse heatup

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noddan:

can multiple frontends watch the same channel if I only have one tuner in my backend?

[07:20:59]

clever_:

not shure about livetv

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clever_:

but you can mark a show to record

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tjcarter:

I can't seem to find the way to specify a bus ID

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clever_:

then every1 watch the recording

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tjcarter:

I can specify a driver name, but not a bus ID

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onewheelskyward:

Hey, I can try that.,

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tjcarter:

er, shit, bus ID I can do, CARD ID I can't.

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noddan:

ah okay, that might work.

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kormoc:

noddan, only one frontend can watch live tv

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noddan:

okay

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kormoc:

noddan, but the others can watch the same live tv session via recorded tv menu

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clever_:

kormoc but several people can leech off the leftover recordings that the livetv makes

[07:22:28]

clever_:

but if the one that started it closes livetv the recordings will end

[07:22:35]

onewheelskyward:

noddan: Not live TV. It will have to be marked for record, and then you'll watch it on a slight delay.

[07:22:52]

onewheelskyward:

Or what kormoc said. :)

[07:22:55]

noddan:

:)

[07:23:16]

onewheelskyward:

and clever.

[07:23:26]

onewheelskyward:

hehe...nite folks. It's past my bedtime.

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kormoc:

tjcarter, http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:ZyeubxKIm . . . client=opera

[07:26:10]

tjcarter:

OTOH, I did find a better setup for my remote =)

[07:30:12]

tjcarter:

kormoc: I just found a very similar link as you posted that one

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adante:

mythtv isn't taking part in this years summer of code?

[07:42:25]

slide:

Anyone know when 0.21 is scheduled for release?

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tjcarter:

Soon as it's done, probably

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slide:

duh hehe

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Dagmar:

Sometime before the End of Days

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tjcarter:

Obviously that didn't work.

[07:44:50]

tjcarter:

my rules didn't match something I guess.

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daviey:

goodmorning, goodmorning

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akifdino:

is anyone using a CAM with a dvb card successfuly with mythtv?

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juski:

afternoon

[12:06:44]

praet:

allo

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pat_:

evening

[12:09:08]

** gardengnome waves **

[12:11:42]

akifdino:

afternoon

[12:11:50]

akifdino:

juski: do you use a CAM with you dvb card?

[12:14:41]

juski:

no I don't

[12:14:47]

juski:

nothing worth paying for on UK DVB-T

[12:15:42]

akifdino:

i bought a ci for my technotrend c1500 and if i use the cam it doesn't really work, even those unencrypted channels do not work anymore if pluged in

[12:18:21]

** juski yells at the weirdly dressed bucket shaker doing the rounds at work **

[12:35:32]

jduggan_:

juski: hi

[12:36:10]

jduggan_:

wonderin about the legal implications of streamin your own recordings to your work place for personal use?

[12:36:26]

jduggan_:

is it legal?

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jduggan_:

(UK)

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juski:

jduggan_: f'd if I know. probably not unless your workplace has a TV licence

[12:40:44]

jduggan_:

hmm interesting

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juski:

could still be a grey area though since it's not strictly personal use

[12:51:04]

juski:

actually the legality of place-shifting has yet to be defined AFAIK

[12:51:31]

Dagmar:

I, for one, would love to go before a judge and demonstrate space-shifting.

[12:51:41]

Dagmar:

er place-shifting.

[12:52:24]

Dagmar:

Bring a nice 50ft coax cable in and run it to a TV on the other side of the courtroom.

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juski:

I think the main problem will be that the line between streaming it to yourself & re-broadcasting is a blurry one

[13:00:05]

Dagmar:

Seems pretty clear to me.

[13:00:17]

Dagmar:

Either your bumping the signal over to yourself or you're not

[13:00:42]

juski:

I wonder how an unsecured mythweb would be looked on by a court of law...

[13:01:58]

Dagmar:

Now *that* is definitely a grey area

[13:02:11]

jd86:

I'm having all kinds of problems keeping my mythtv running now, I first was having trouble with these messages: [mpeg2video @ 0xb73cd6e8]ac-tex damaged at 12 8 NEWLINE [mpeg2video @ 0xb73cd6e8]Warning MVs not available NEWLINE [mpeg2video @ 0xb73cd6e8] NEWLINE concealing 660 DC, 660 AC, 660 MV errors... I'm not totally sure this is why, they're not the last message and it seems that commercial flagging is the last thing to happen before bac

[13:02:11]

jd86:

kend crashes...

[13:02:14]

Dagmar:

I don't see anything moving on that until it becomes mandatory that people secure their access points

[13:03:09]

juski:

all your mythwebs are belong to us!

[13:03:26]

Dagmar:

make your time!

[13:03:28]

Dagmar:

ugh

[13:03:48]

Dagmar:

So how many people have been complaining their programming guide is borked because they didn't apply glibc patches for the new DST?

[13:04:17]

juski:

there's a solution to the new DST. get a different president

[13:04:31]

Dagmar:

The president didn't come up with that insanity.

[13:04:41]

jd86:

had something to do with it?

[13:04:47]

Dagmar:

There's a whole ton of things he can be blamed for, but attempting to make the sun come up and hour earlier isn't one of them.

[13:05:20]

jd86:

does mythcommflag have the power to crash the backend, at all?

[13:05:31]

juski:

jd86: maybe

[13:06:10]

jd86:

because I'm really at a loss on getting mythbackend stable again, and it seems to be one thing that was running most times (if not all) before it crashes

[13:07:11]

juski:

jd86: maybe it's time to dust off gdb

[13:07:27]

jd86:

yeah, I'm not too good with gdb, or making it crash on demand

[13:07:39]

juski:

you're stuffed then

[13:08:00]

jd86:

yeah, but I guess I can make an attempt to figure out how to make gdb do something, and then wait for a crash... doesn't take too long

[13:08:29]

juski:

the docs tell all AFAIK

[13:08:32]

jd86:

started randomly... wasn't like it was after upgrading anything.. it was like a week after adding slave backends.

[13:08:35]

jd86:

alright, docs are god.

[13:08:41]

juski:

or folks here can help out maybe (not me though)

[13:09:23]

juski:

jd86: you've not got an xbox360 have you? I think there was a bug where upnp would crash the backend

[13:09:39]

jd86:

nope no xbox.

[13:09:47]

jd86:

and I just tried disable upnp, still crashes

[13:10:02]

juski:

no wireless network an xbox might be piggybacking onto? :-P

[13:10:19]

kslater:

was talking with my son about having to watch commercials during the NCAA basketball coverage when I got an idea. Basically it would allow you to pause live tv, swap to a recording and then go back after a period of time (say 5 min so to cover commercials). Then you'd be able to swap back to live tv and ff thru the commercials.

[13:10:24]

juski:

and have you tried -v all in the logging options?

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jd86:

i certainly hope not unless someone already broke the encryption on my wireless (but I do live atop a big hill half the town can probably get my wireless)

[13:10:41]

juski:

kslater: someont on the -lusers list wanted that. never gonna happen

[13:10:47]

jd86:

-v all is painfull, i have a lot of options being recorded, I can switch it back to -v all and see if it says anything

[13:10:59]

kslater:

juski – how come?

[13:11:06]

kslater:

too difficult to pull off?

[13:11:15]

juski:

difficult & pointless

[13:11:36]

kslater:

dunno pointless, difficult I could buy

[13:12:02]

juski:

hey I know – a user was asking for it & not putting a patch forward for it. that was it

[13:12:14]

kslater:

like me

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Dagmar:

well, I'm just _waiting_ for it to break, but it is possible to put something together that changes the WEP key every 12 hours

[13:12:44]

jd86:

there was a large discussion on making something to switch to a video or something when a commercial was detected in live tv, and then the issue that it doesn't know its a commercial until it detects the end of the commercia, etc

[13:12:50]

Dagmar:

I prefer just to leave the thing open and secure it with OPenVPN

[13:12:59]

Dagmar:

Then I get to do evil things to people who wander up and try to use the wireless network

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jd86:

hah

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Dagmar:

"Hey, looks like I can get CNN on my phone from here... OH MY GOD WHAT IS HE DOING TO THAT GOAT?!?"

[13:13:36]

jd86:

lol

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Dagmar:

I learned a lot about the dark joys of squid when someone from a former workplace (which I lived right behind at this point) stepped outside the boundaries of "accidentally" using our wireless to get his sports news and decided to do some bandwidth and vulnerability tests on our network.

[13:15:16]

juski:

if I wasn't in Morocco when I saw two guys hauling a sheep from the boot of a car into an apartment block I'd have said "hmm hello.." to myself

[13:15:38]

Dagmar:

A few days later, he was presented with the unpleasant news that his two favorite fantasy sports league picks were out for the season. One for child pornography, and one for DUI and aggravated vehicular homocide

[13:16:09]

Dagmar:

I'm sure his co-workers were wondering what vessel popped in his brain to make him think he'd seen that on espn.com

[13:17:13]

juski:

anyway kslater in the context of features unlikely to be seen as desirable by the majority of users, that one figures pretty high

[13:17:23]

kslater:

hehe

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Dagmar:

At that point in time my wireless policy was "a registered MAC means I don't log your every packet for my later perusal and entertainment"

[13:17:49]

kslater:

I'll chalk it up to a moment of inspiration

[13:18:53]

juski:

or random brain-fart – take your pick ;)

[13:19:15]

kslater:

up for interpretation by the readers

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kslater:

could almost do it now with too many keystrokes

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kslater:

myth has trained me to despise commercials. now I'm ruined

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juski:

nah I despised commercials before I'd even heard of mythtv

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kslater:

true, but now I don't see them for the most part. Except when watching sports events that I haven't recorded. They are tiring.

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praet:

i just watch 10 mins later like, pause when getting drinks and such, come back and ffw the commercials

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juski:

jduggan_: you got any goons doing fancy dress at work today? there's the SCARIEST looking clown I've ever seen in this building today

[13:40:32]

praet:

anyone using rsync to do remote location backups?

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jduggan_:

juski: luckily no :)

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qu0zl:

praet, i've used unison for that, it's based on rsync i think but it syncs both directions

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praet:

thanks

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sigger:

praet, I've done it here, but it was a bit ago. PM if I can help.

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praet:

thanks sigger

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sigger:

np

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roe:

anyone have any definitive feed back from FIOS? the archive as gossamer shows one promising thread but no resolutions

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jd86:

I've been having problems keeping my mythbackend going, so i straced it and it just crashed: select(12, [6 7 11], [], [], {9, 842275}) = ? ERESTARTNOHAND (To be restarted) NEWLINE +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ NEWLINE Process 23179 detached

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qu0zl:

if there was a sigsegv there should be a core if you have cores enabled surely? If not enable cores, a backtrace might help

[15:15:09]

qu0zl:

you may need to recompile mythbackend with symbols or -ggdb. I'm not a mythtv dev though, so i dunno what the defaults for it are

[15:16:59]

jd86:

qu0zl, I'm not too familiar with all of this, I'm compiling latest svn today, although its something that just recently started up. how do I enable symbols/etc?

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qu0zl:

i'd guess it's a configure option

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qu0zl:

at the basic level you edit the makefile to do it, but they've probably provided a nice configure switch

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jd86:

theres a whole page on it in the manual :) yay

[15:18:44]

qu0zl:

jd86, if you're not familiar with C++/debugging you might be better off sticking the svn-fixes branch? Or a bundled package. You absolutely need something from the latest svn?

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jd86:

qu0zl, I've been using svn trunk for quite a while now, I don't mind if it breaks and such — I have no problem keeping quiet about that, its just this is something that just recently started up out of the blue not right after update or anything.

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qu0zl:

fair enough :)

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qu0zl:

if you can get a backtrace that's probably your best bet for somebody figuring out the problem

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jd86:

yeah, I was also having MV errors too, but not sure if that happened this time, and people said right away that was due to poor cable line signal... so maybe I'll get a booster.

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spinull:

is there a mythtv repo that is more uptodate than the packages in the ubuntu repo

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gardengnome:

spinull: superm1's personal repository might have newer packages

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gardengnome:

although it'll still be 0.20-fixes

[16:04:31]

spinull:

i think im using like .18

[16:04:33]

spinull:

or something

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gardengnome:

oh.

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gardengnome:

well, ubuntu edgy has 0.20

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spinull:

oh

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spinull:

im on edgy

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spinull:

i guess im looking for something more up to date than that

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gardengnome:

since the last release is 0.20 it's unlikely you'll find newer packages

[16:07:13]

gardengnome:

and if you have to ask like that, you probably don't want to be running svn trunk – things will break for sure

[16:07:39]

spinull:

well, i could do svn but im lazy

[16:07:47]

spinull:

i go with whats easy

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spinull:

now im sure someone is gonna say something about that

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spinull:

mythtv is just my idle time project

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I doubt anyone really cares either way :) Just don't complain about using old versions if you can't be bothered to compile your own, that simple :) (and this is meant in the nicest possible way!)

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onewheelskyward:

I would get 0.20 up and running, then you can try upgrading it to 0.21 if you feel the need.

[16:11:57]

spinull:

i have .20 working i think

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spinull:

everything installed correctly however i just put a dvd in and it didn't play

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spinull:

mplayer is giving me crap

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spinull:

man

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spinull:

Erroropening/initalizing the selected vieo_out (-vo) device.

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xris:

couple of nice mythtv hardware deals at techbargains: mceusb2 remote and silver sensor, each for around $25

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clever[rev]:

need some help with vesa blanking in X

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akifdino_:

is anyone using a diablo cam ?

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adante:

2007-03–17 03:51:31.040 DevRdB(0) Error: Driver buffers overflowed <- this an issue?

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akifdino_:

for example

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cheeseboy:

hi

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akifdino_:

adante: it is more CI resource manager: unexpected data

[17:57:04]

akifdino_:

hi cheeseboy

[17:57:33]

cheeseboy:

isthere anyway to make mythtv always start on my tv?

[17:57:48]

adante:

cheeseboy: i believe there are examples in the wiki

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cheeseboy:

i don't mean start at boot

[17:58:56]

cheeseboy:

i mean when i open it it goes to my tv

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gardengnome:

cheeseboy: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frontend_Auto_Login

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akifdino_:

hi gardengnome

[18:00:27]

cheeseboy:

gardengnome not autologin

[18:00:37]

adante:

oh right

[18:00:41]

gardengnome:

oh right

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adante:

when you start the frontend it automatically goes to watch tv?

[18:00:48]

gardengnome:

now i know what you mean... NOT.

[18:01:10]

cheeseboy:

when i click to start myth frontend i ant it to pop up on my tv instead of my monitor

[18:02:00]

adante:

cheeseboy: right... so assuming both tv and monitor are connected to your computer, that might much depend on your video card, X configuration and window manager

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cheeseboy:

well i have nvidia card geforce fx 5200

[18:03:14]

cheeseboy:

am running kubuntu

[18:03:39]

cheeseboy:

and have it setup for nvidia twinview or w/e its called

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cheeseboy:

so what can i do?

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juski:

mythfrontend --help

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juski:

no answer to that one, obviously...

[18:23:56]

juski:

nor any thanks but hey we've become used to that here

[18:24:25]

** gardengnome treats juski to some beer to prevent him from becoming bitter **

[18:24:40]

cheeseboy:

--geometry WxH+X+Y use that?

[18:24:56]

juski:

what?!

[18:25:15]

cheeseboy:

for puttin mythtv on tv

[18:25:23]

juski:

wtf does that have to do with 'start in tv mode automagically' ?

[18:25:27]

gardengnome:

cheeseboy: it depends on your X setup, wether it's two different sreens (like :0 and :1) or something else..

[18:25:37]

gardengnome:

juski: that's never been his question

[18:25:42]

juski:

ah right

[18:25:49]

juski:

I'll go back to being asleep then

[18:26:09]

cheeseboy:

it treats it like a widescreen monitor

[18:26:31]

cheeseboy:

so wouldn i be able to move over to tv like that?

[18:26:37]

juski:

oh look

[18:26:39]

juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Running_MythTV_Dual_Headed

[18:27:24]

adante:

um

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** juski pities the ungoogley ones **

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adante:

is there some tool i can use to check how much memory myth is using

[18:27:46]

adante:

my eyes, ze googles do nothing

[18:27:57]

gardengnome:

goggles != googles ;)

[18:28:08]

onewheelskyward:

besides ps -auxww | grep myth?

[18:28:24]

juski:

hmm is there a linux app they call 'top' or even one called 'ps' I wonder

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adante:

ok, last time i use those to report mem usage in here i get told not to use those because they don't report it accurately

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gardengnome:

you'll have to lookat the resident size afaik

[18:36:57]

juski:

gardengnome: I know one jochen who's gonna be upset right about now

[18:37:40]

gardengnome:

how come?

[18:38:04]

juski:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/257177

[18:38:26]

juski:

oh noes! March 14th has been & gone already

[18:38:36]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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adNick56:

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me? I am having trouble with mythweb on the recorded programs page the "delete" and " Delete and rerecord" buttons are not showing up at all, no link no nothing in their place. I believe it could be a php problem because i know the svn im using is fine and not corrupted and i know that apache can write to the data directory but i have no idea what could be wrong with my php5 if its even t

[18:38:54]

adNick56:

hat? Anyone have any helpful information?

[18:38:56]

onewheelskyward:

PI day, come and gone.

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mkrufky:

these mythtv version numbers, "0.20–154" ... do those actually correspond to a tag in svn, or something? ..... or are they just atrpms build revisions?

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gardengnome:

i think they're just build revisions

[18:43:59]

mkrufky:

ok, thanks

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onewheelskyward:

that 154 isn't a myth revision it's a package revision, I believe.

[18:49:16]

onewheelskyward:

the myth revisions are in the tens of thousands.

[18:55:10]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah, good luck with that. :) I don't suppose the package maintainers have a changelog?

[18:55:15]

janneg:

mkrufky: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/release-0-20-fixes/

[18:55:49]

janneg:

and Axel Thimm specifies the revisions he used

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adNick56:

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me? I am having trouble with mythweb on the recorded programs page the "delete" and " Delete and rerecord" buttons are not showing up at all, no link no nothing in their place. I believe it could be a php problem because i know the svn im using is fine and not corrupted and i know that apache can write to the data directory but i have no idea what could be wrong with my php5 if its even t

[18:58:16]

adNick56:

hat? Anyone have any helpful information

[18:59:00]

onewheelskyward:

Are you at all HTML literate? It's helpful to look at the resulting source of your page to see if the links are even in the code.

[18:59:04]

juski:

echo echo echo echo!

[18:59:29]

adNick56:

yes i am

[18:59:30]

onewheelskyward:

marco

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adNick56:

the links are not there

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onewheelskyward:

Then the problem lies with your svn install, not PHP.

[18:59:51]

Gurft:

You know what would be neato. Being able to replace video on screen with a visualization for my directv music channels....

[18:59:54]

Gurft:

that would be nifty

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adNick56:

well the links are not supposed to be there

[19:00:10]

onewheelskyward:

Gurft: that would be pretty neat.

[19:00:10]

adNick56:

persay

[19:00:37]

onewheelskyward:

adNick56: The links aren't supposed to be there...and they're not there...what exactly is the problem?

[19:01:16]

adNick56:

if you look at /mythweb/modules/tv/recorded.php the links are filled in with a procedure

[19:01:28]

adNick56:

and not directly embeded in the html

[19:01:41]

onewheelskyward:

a php function?

[19:01:46]

adNick56:

yes

[19:01:46]

juski:

you know what else would be neato? users deciding to *contribute* by coding new features rather than just suggesting them. I'm so fucking sick of this

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adNick56:

therefore i believe that for some reson the php function is not filing the buttons int the code

[19:02:46]

adNick56:

but, ive been through my php and apache settings numerous times and i dont see anything set wrong

[19:03:21]

adNick56:

and i have been through three subversion releases in the past week and a half and the problem still persists

[19:03:46]

adNick56:

i even deleted my mythweb directory and started from scratch and the problem is still there

[19:04:11]

onewheelskyward:

ok. Let's troubleshoot this.

[19:04:14]

kslater:

but obviously AdNick56, this is a problem on your machine and not a problem in the source

[19:04:22]

Milosch:

what about the htaccess file

[19:04:27]

Milosch:

and mod_rewrite

[19:04:29]

kslater:

since others haven't reported

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adNick56:

ok well i have mod_rewrite enabled

[19:06:25]

Gurft:

juski: If I could code C++, I would jump on it in an instant, however I know what my limitations are.

[19:06:37]

Gurft:

juski: I keep it to perl and java... I think visualizations in Perl woudl be mighty slow...

[19:07:09]

opello:

perl's compiled to c before it's run, if i remember right

[19:07:21]

Gurft:

opello: no, no it's not.

[19:07:30]

opello:

oh :/ hrm (translated i meant)

[19:07:53]

Gurft:

heh, Actually with Perl6 they're moving towards a true virtual machine model. But you don't see people jumping all over upgrading....

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adNick56:

i am no longer using a .htacess file the settings are at the end oh my apache.conf

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mkrufky:

thank you, janneg

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adNick56:

the function is in recorded.php

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onewheelskyward:

Is recorded.php in the script's include path? The one that's run from the browser?

[19:11:46]

onewheelskyward:

Check for include and require lines.

[19:12:06]

onewheelskyward:

It must be, since it's not generating errors.

[19:12:19]

onewheelskyward:

I would start putting some print statements in the function to see what it's doing. A good ol' manual debug.

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adNick56:

yes i believe its in the one used by the browser

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adNick56:

but i am really not a programmer yet a can read the code and follow it to a degree

[19:13:12]

janneg:

mkrufky: you're welcome. the error message was pretty obvious once Chutt pointed to it

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adNick56:

so what am i checking for in the incledus directory

[19:13:50]

adNick56:

where is the scripts include path

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adNick56:

is what i guess im trying to ask

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adNick56:

ok well if the includes path is /mythweb/includes/ i can see functions that the recorded.php refered to or used but the recorded.php file is not in the includes directory itself

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ByteChanger:

lo all.

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adNick56:

I'm not quite sure i answered you correctly is that what you were asking?

[19:18:12]

ByteChanger:

Can someone help me with part of the setup for mythweb?

[19:19:15]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah, I think you follow pretty well, adNick56.

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adNick56:

thank you

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ByteChanger:

the part about creating a

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ByteChanger:

ack...

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onewheelskyward:

My recommendation is to put something like: print "Got here"; at the top of that function and see if it displays on the page you're viewing.

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adNick56:

ok i can try that now

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adNick56:

well i put the print statement and when i tried to view the recorded programs page at the bottom i got

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adNick56:

Fatal error: Call to a member function query() on a non-object in /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/includes/session.php on line 60

[19:35:39]

onewheelskyward:

That error wasn't there before?

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adNick56:

nope

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onewheelskyward:

odd

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adNick56:

and line 60 is $db->query('REPLACE INTO mythweb_sessions (id, modified, data) VALUES (?,NULL,?)',

[19:36:05]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah the db object was invaid.

[19:36:14]

onewheelskyward:

Try restarting from the mythweb homepage.

[19:36:27]

adNick56:

restarting what?

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adNick56:

my database?

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onewheelskyward:

n ono

[19:36:49]

onewheelskyward:

just your web session. :)

[19:36:56]

onewheelskyward:

Point your web browser to mythweb's homepage.

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onewheelskyward:

hopefully that will reinitialize your db object.

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adNick56:

im not sure i understand you you are saying to just view my mythweb from a browser?

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onewheelskyward:

Yep...but start from /mythweb instead of just reloading the page you were on.

[19:40:24]

onewheelskyward:

Just pretend you're browsing it for the first time.

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adNick56:

ok i just did that and the buttons are still missing

[19:41:58]

onewheelskyward:

Is your 'got here' anywhere on the page? You might have to search through the source.

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adNick56:

no its not

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onewheelskyward:

Ok...provided everything is in order, it sounds like the function that's called is never being executed, probably by some logic in the page.

[19:42:50]

onewheelskyward:

without looking at how the page works, I can't tell you what's wrong with it.

[19:43:12]

adNick56:

ok

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mkrufky:

goodnight

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adNick56:

could it be a php setting that is not set correctly?

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onewheelskyward:

I doubt it. It sounds like everything is fine.

[19:44:29]

onewheelskyward:

If PHP were hosed, nothing would work.

[19:44:58]

onewheelskyward:

Having said that, it's possible, of course.

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beavis:

do you guys know how to fix this fatal error in mythweb: Fatal error: Call to a member function query() on a non-object in /big/myth/mythplugins/mythweb/includes/session.php on line 60

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onewheelskyward:

beavis: Try browsing back to the mythweb homepage then go back to your recordings page.

[19:47:42]

onewheelskyward:

Your session probably timed out.

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beavis:

no :( this didn't help

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adNick56:

thats the same error i just pasted!!!

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gardengnome:

w00t! you guys have so much in common! ;)

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adNick56:

line 60 in session.php

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onewheelskyward:

Hmm...maybe try closing and reopening your browser?

[19:50:58]

onewheelskyward:

Are you running the svn version?

[19:51:05]

onewheelskyward:

It's not handling session invalidation properly.

[19:51:15]

beavis:

yes, it's today's svn

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adNick56:

well haha i just tried mythweb from another computer

[19:51:25]

beavis:

so?

[19:51:38]

adNick56:

still not working right

[19:51:43]

onewheelskyward:

So, that's the risk of running the bleeding edge..sometimes things don't work.

[19:52:24]

adNick56:

well the funny thing is one of my friends is running the same svn as me flawlessly in gentoo just like me

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onewheelskyward:

Hey, nice find.

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AMD:

hi guys im strugling to get lirc to work ,

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AMD:

can any one help

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AMD:

please

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sigger_:

AMD what receiver?

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AMD:

mce usb look here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote

[19:59:25]

AMD:

and here http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/5498.jpg

[20:01:24]

AMD:

my other remote works (cam with the dvb card) but it dose not have as many buttons

[20:03:51]

hads:

AMD: You haven't actually stated your problem or asked a question yet. Ask and someone may be able to help you.

[20:04:25]

gardengnome:

hads: please help me!! now!

[20:04:35]

mwolf:

lol

[20:04:36]

hads:

:)

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AMD:

ok,

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AMD:

i have a mce reomte i want to use with mythtv........however i cant get lirc to work can any one help me

[20:07:13]

AMD:

~$ irw

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AMD:

connect: Connection refused

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AMD:

also if any one knows i really good guide i can follow please let me know

[20:09:17]

mwolf:

AMD you must not have liked the one i sent you to the last time.

[20:09:37]

AMD:

omg i loved it

[20:09:44]

AMD:

worked like a charm

[20:09:56]

mwolf:

you still using ubuntu?

[20:10:28]

AMD:

i had to reinstall my Os due to mythtv stopped working (some thing to do with back end)

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AMD:

mwolf: yes

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hads:

hmm

[20:10:53]

mwolf:

edgy?

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AMD:

mwolf: you are my Alia

[20:11:20]

AMD:

yes

[20:11:32]

mwolf:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Edgy

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AMD:

not that 1

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AMD:

dose not work

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hads:

hah

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mwolf:

works well on my htpc

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AMD:

tryed it

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hads:

The instructions look fine.

[20:14:28]

AMD:

you used to have another guide

[20:14:31]

mwolf:

did you use the correct module?

[20:15:02]

mwolf:

do you still have the usb infrared receiver

[20:15:14]

mwolf:

and use mce_usb2 module

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AMD:

yeh......i will try that guide again who knows

[20:16:11]

mwolf:

lirc_mceusb2

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sigger_:

any mythmusic users around?

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AMD:

seems i had LOAD_MODULES=false

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AMD:

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mwolf:

that would be a problem

[20:18:35]

hads:

So it's not the instructions then ;)

[20:18:45]

sigger_:

anyone who might have used mythmusic but got turned off to it have time to give me feedback on it?

[20:18:46]

mwolf:

:)

[20:19:11]

mwolf:

sigger: i haven't gotten into the music end yet, but i want to

[20:19:17]

AMD:

well we will sone find out :P

[20:19:28]

sigger_:

mwolf: ok great. what do you use now?

[20:19:39]

AMD:

device should be left blank right ?

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mwolf:

correct

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hads:

sigger_: I've used it briefly. I usually use Amarok

[20:20:39]

hads:

My wife and friends can't figure out mythmusic

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adNick56:

ok does anyone know how to fix this error i am getting at the bottom of my mythweb recorded page Fatal error: Call to a member function query() on a non-object in /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/includes/session.php on line 60

[20:20:48]

mwolf:

sigger: i haven't gotten that far yet

[20:21:04]

sigger_:

hads: k, thanks. can't figure out the browsing for music part?

[20:21:33]

sigger_:

mwolf, do you play mp3 music through a computer now (e..g as opposed to through ipod)

[20:21:44]

adNick56:

mythmusic in the stable release kinda suxors

[20:21:52]

hads:

Yeah, I think that was the main issue.

[20:22:03]

adNick56:

but mythmusic in the svn is really coming along

[20:22:18]

sigger_:

adNick56, its improved some in the latest thanks to gbee. I'm working on some stuff too

[20:22:25]

adNick56:

cool

[20:22:26]

sigger_:

ya

[20:22:31]

mwolf:

AMD: if you mess it up. don't do anything drastic like format. just use synaptic to uninstall lirc. then start over from the beginning with the Ubuntu Lirc instructions

[20:22:34]

AMD:

Biuld of the package lirc-modules-sources fiald !

[20:23:11]

AMD:

mwolf:i always do that, i find it more easy

[20:23:12]

sigger_:

adNick56, do you use something else to play music through stereo/tv connected computer

[20:23:12]

hads:

sigger_: I'm running trunk too so am happy to test stuff when I have the time if you need.

[20:23:23]

mwolf:

then you are more than likely, but please don't quote me, missing necessary kernel modules

[20:23:26]

adNick56:

i have used amarock

[20:23:35]

adNick56:

but i currrently use mythmusic

[20:23:35]

AMD:

your right

[20:23:44]

adNick56:

from svn

[20:23:51]

sigger_:

It'll be a little bit. First I'm trying to make sure that what I think should be changed is what bugs other people too

[20:24:14]

AMD:

like build essentials ?

[20:24:37]

hads:

sigger_: I think the playlist selection was the thing they found difficult. Not sure how it can be made better with a remote interface though

[20:24:49]

adNick56:

the only thing in mythmusic that bugs me is the album art i wish it would clear the previos img off for a song with no art in the album folder

[20:25:04]

sigger_:

adNick56, how would you feel about the abililty to affect the activeplaylist and the stored playlists from another computer so you could use keyboard/mouse?

[20:25:18]

mwolf:

AMD: probably not, but its worth a shot

[20:25:24]

AMD:

its not

[20:25:31]

adNick56:

well with me thats not really an issue

[20:25:32]

sigger_:

adNick56, that shouldn't be tough

[20:25:33]

mwolf:

what was the exact error message?

[20:25:39]

AMD:

build-essential is already the newest version.

[20:25:52]

sigger_:

adNick56, that's a lil bug kinda thing but noteworthy

[20:26:20]

sigger_:

hads, that happens to be pretty much exactly my point with what I want to do

[20:26:21]

adNick56:

thanks

[20:27:04]

adNick56:

yea i mean i have an rf remote so what do i need keyboard and mouse use from another computer for lol

[20:27:13]

hads:

I don't use playlists, all my music is stored in Artist/Album/Song

[20:27:27]

sigger_:

hads, btw do you mean creating a playlist or do you mean creating and loading a stored one

[20:27:40]

hads:

Just creating one to listen to

[20:27:46]

sigger_:

hads, ok ,thx

[20:28:10]

adNick56:

hey is anyone good a fixing a mythweb problem im having

[20:28:37]

AMD:

hosting an image for you wolf

[20:29:01]

mwolf:

um ok

[20:29:25]

sigger_:

adNick56, well the reason to use another computer's kbd or mouse is they are much finer instruments for search for and selecting songs and manipulating playlists. (and sorry I dunno mythweb. the guy to talk with is xris)

[20:30:03]

AMD:

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6104/screenshotsl5.png

[20:30:29]

adNick56:

yea i can see y you would want to im a very random person all my music goes in one big playlist set to random playback and i go

[20:30:45]

adNick56:

if i dont wanna hear the song i just skip it with my remote....

[20:30:46]

hads:

I have my laptop on the couch normally and have a terminal open which sends keypresses to X on the myth FE.

[20:31:03]

mwolf:

Select "view" and show me that

[20:31:07]

sigger_:

adNick56, I see your point.

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sigger_:

hads, I use lappy on couch too (e.g. right now)

[20:31:41]

hads:

It's interesting how different people do things. I always listen to an entire album.

[20:31:48]

adNick56:

anyone know when xris is around

[20:32:13]

hads:

sigger_: Yeah, lappie on the couch is my relaxing time while my wife watches TV :)

[20:32:14]

adNick56:

ive been trying to resolve this mythweb problem for like 2 weeks

[20:32:37]

sigger_:

hads, I'm picturing using lappy to create/manipulate active/stored playlists but still having the ability to use remote for play/pause/etc

[20:32:48]

sigger_:

adNick56, xris is GMT-8

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adNick56:

im -5

[20:33:08]

sigger_:

I'm -5 too

[20:33:16]

adNick56:

where are you located?

[20:33:17]

sigger_:

you getting snow?

[20:33:23]

adNick56:

hell yea

[20:33:27]

adNick56:

im in RI

[20:33:28]

adNick56:

u?

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sigger_:

ah, central NJ

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hads:

sigger_: Sort of makes sense, like I said I don't use stored playlists.

[20:34:10]

hads:

heh, it's the end of summer here. (+13)

[20:34:12]

sigger_:

for whole albums, svn is prolly great.

[20:34:20]

adNick56:

:)

[20:34:30]

adNick56:

yes it is

[20:35:10]

hads:

Let me fire up mythmusic

[20:38:27]

hads:

Hmm, I can't remember what it used to be like to compare

[20:40:16]

sigger_:

my issues are: its tough to search through tons of stuff with remote; tough to edit playlist; can't manipulate play order; etc

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sigger_:

I'm not throwing stones, mind you. This is stuff I wanna work to remedy.

[20:43:50]

hads:

Yeah, it is tough to browse a bigish collection.

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hads:

Time to update my checkout, see if I break something

[21:05:22]

lostboy1:

hi all, I have a strange problem with playing back recorded programs on my Thinkpad T60p with a FireGL 5200 gpu and the fglrx drivers

[21:05:50]

lostboy1:

it appears the red and blue colors are reversed

[21:06:16]

gardengnome:

wait a second

[21:06:26]

lostboy1:

I had to enable TexturedVideo to get xv working

[21:06:44]

lostboy1:

the strange part it mplayer can play back the same recording without a problem

[21:07:25]

gardengnome:

lostboy1: see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2241#comment:4 and related tickets

[21:07:38]

gardengnome:

lostboy1: does it look like "smurf" mode?

[21:07:50]

lostboy1:

exactly

[21:08:03]

lostboy1:

as best i can tell red = blue and blue = red

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AMD:

i got my mce remote working

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AMD:

:)

[21:13:24]

lostboy1:

ah, I read somewhere about an ATI_HACK parameter, guess I need to find that again

[21:13:31]

lostboy1:

gardengnome: thanks!!

[21:13:47]

gardengnome:

np

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GreyFoxx:

lostboy1: libs/libmythtv/videoout_xv.cpp

[21:15:56]

GreyFoxx:

there is a #define near the top somewhere

[21:16:02]

gardengnome:

heh

[21:16:06]

gardengnome:

i already beat ya to it ;)

[21:16:23]

gardengnome:

finally.

[21:16:29]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[21:16:58]

lostboy1:

GreyFoxx: thanks.. I just need to see if any gentoo ebuilds have a use flag for this or if I have to submit a bug to gentoo :)

[21:17:30]

gardengnome:

lostboy1: pablo of minimyth fame told me a nifty trick. it should be possible to add that define to CFLAGS

[21:17:44]

gardengnome:

although i haven't tried yet if it works

[21:18:11]

gardengnome:

it'

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gardengnome:

s funny how both ATI and intel fsck up their proprietary drivers

[21:19:04]

lostboy1:

intel i would expect...

[21:19:53]

gardengnome:

humm

[21:20:00]

gardengnome:

it's actually *AMD* and intel now.

[21:20:28]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah...I'm going to miss my amd/nvidia motherboards.

[21:21:48]

lostboy1:

ditto

[21:22:14]

** hads ponders before pressing enter on make install **

[21:23:16]

onewheelskyward:

Proceed fearlessly, my young hads.

[21:23:59]

gardengnome:

by tuner, do you mean "ricer"?

[21:24:21]

onewheelskyward:

Exactly. :)

[21:24:38]

hads:

:) I can't be bothered updating my minimyth frontend so I'm hoping it still works with this new backend build

[21:24:58]

onewheelskyward:

hads: Same version?

[21:25:15]

onewheelskyward:

It never hurts to make a backup of mythbackend (executable).

[21:25:24]

hads:

12960 -> 13056

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gardengnome:

onewheelskyward: and the libs..

[21:25:36]

onewheelskyward:

Well, as long as it uses the same protocol....

[21:25:44]

gardengnome:

and the same DB schema..

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hads:

Yeah, don't think there's a protocol change in there.

[21:25:58]

onewheelskyward:

Groovy.

[21:26:04]

hads:

I can always roll it back if I have to. No major drama.

[21:26:14]

onewheelskyward:

But we like worrying vicariously!

[21:26:22]

gardengnome:

you sure? do you have a DB backup? :>

[21:26:42]

hads:

Of course I have db backups. I'm not silly! :)

[21:27:12]

onewheelskyward:

I am. I never backup my myth db. If it ever flakes out, I wouldn't waste time recovering it. Wipe and start fresh. :)

[21:28:21]

hads:

Yeah, TBH I'm not that worried either, anything I *really* want to keep is on the fileserver.

[21:29:16]

hads:

Well, it works fine anyway.

[21:31:17]

onewheelskyward:

excellent.

[21:31:25]

hads:

There's a change in the mythfilldatabase result status that I'll be interested to see what happens – we use an external XML file here.

[21:31:53]

hads:

Since I have more than one tuner the status was always 'ran but did not insert new data' before

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gardengnome:

onewheelskyward: do you have a lot of spare time? ;)

[21:34:03]

** hads is going to get drunk and celebrate Paddy in a few hours. Yay **

[21:34:28]

onewheelskyward:

gardengnome: no, almost none as it turns out.

[21:35:18]

gardengnome:

if you are a real alcoholic, you don't need a reason to get drunk ;)

[21:35:40]

hads:

I try not to be :)

[21:35:42]

gardengnome:

onewheelskyward: well, it takes a lot of time to set up mythtv IMHO, that's why backups come in handy

[21:36:35]

onewheelskyward:

It depends on how complex you get. For a basic system for me, it's just an emerge and wait. Mythtv-setup and done.

[21:37:24]

onewheelskyward:

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for backups. I just won't take the time to recover with myth, since it's very non-prod in my world.

[21:37:51]

hads:

Setting up all the little bits and pieces can be time consuming though. e.g. How much to skip forward/reverse, etc. etc.

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onewheelskyward:

Very true. The interface fine-tuning takes a bit.

[21:38:59]

onewheelskyward:

I actually have an sql script to run that for me these days.

[21:39:04]

gardengnome:

onewheelskyward: if you've ever spent a few hours playing with mythfilldatabase --manual, you'll make sure to get a backup

[21:39:15]

onewheelskyward:

heh yeah, I've never had to do that.

[21:39:17]

hads:

Heh, yeah, channels too

[21:39:48]

rm_you:

Anyone aware of a reason why navigation is PAINFULLY SLOW in any of the video selection menus? Like, the Watch Recordings list or the Watch Videos list?

[21:41:02]

rm_you:

both >_<

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hads:

So it's not just the remote being slow then.

[21:41:14]

rm_you:

right

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hads:

Then no idea sorry.

[21:41:49]

rm_you:

that's what I thought at first, but i plugged a keyboard in and it is the same :( also, both keyboard and remote move along fine in the other parts of the interface :/

[21:41:57]

hads:

Maybe watching the log (with some -v) will help?

[21:41:58]

rm_you:

it seems to only slow down when there is a file list

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onewheelskyward:

Is your hard disk activity light going nuts when it slows down?

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rm_you:

don't think so....

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rm_you:

ah, well i was watching "top" during the slowdown, and it looks like X goes from negligable to near 100% cpu use

[21:42:45]

rm_you:

could it be one of the widgets being drawn incorrectly?

[21:42:49]

hads:

Previews?

[21:42:54]

rm_you:

previews are off

[21:43:08]

rm_you:

also, there aren't previews in the mythvideo files list, are there?

[21:43:13]

rm_you:

it slows down there too :(

[21:43:19]

hads:

Ah.

[21:43:29]

rm_you:

that was my other thought

[21:43:45]

rm_you:

cause that happened on my other TV, and i turned off previews and since then it worked fine

[21:43:49]

lostboy1:

gardengnome: fyi the gentoo ebuild totally strips all CFLAGS, so I had to create my own ebuild with the proper CFLAGS

[21:43:52]

rm_you:

but this one isnt the same problem :(

[21:44:04]

gardengnome:

lostboy1: hope it works. please let me know

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lostboy1:

will be ready in 15 minutes :)

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gardengnome:

i'm too lazy to test my new minimyth build now

[21:44:40]

** hads is going to make some brunch **

[21:44:42]

gardengnome:

especially because it's using the wrong kernel again

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rm_you:

so yeah, it appears any time i hit a button to scroll through the list of videos, X spikes to 100% cpu for about 3 seconds then drops back down, which is whats causing the delay when trying to scroll

[21:49:24]

rm_you:

why would it be X and not like, a mythtv process?

[21:50:59]

onewheelskyward:

X is handling the graphical display, if myth is making lots of calls to the X display methods, I could see how X would freak out.

[21:53:35]

rm_you:

so any idea AT ALL what would cause that, or how i could debug it?! >_> i'm not seeing anything interesting in the mythtv output :(

[21:55:27]

onewheelskyward:

Can you run X with debug logging enabled? I've never done it but it might help.

[21:56:00]

onewheelskyward:

or hey...how about running mythfrontend with debug? Whatever's happening probably isn't on the backend.

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onewheelskyward:

Are the backend and frontend running on the same machine at the moment, or is the f/e remote?

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rm_you:

both on same machine

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rm_you:

i would have assumed it was a problem communicating with the backend or something, but why would that trigger X?

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onewheelskyward:

It shouldn't.

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onewheelskyward:

That's what makes me think it's a frontend thing.

[21:59:04]

rm_you:

WAHG>!

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rm_you:

MythThemedDialog.o: something is requesting a screen update of zero size. A widget probably has not done a calculateScreeArea(). Will redraw the whole screen (inefficient!).

[21:59:32]

rm_you:

that totally explains it

[21:59:34]

rm_you:

so

[21:59:35]

rm_you:

WTF!?

[21:59:57]

onewheelskyward:

heh bingo.

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rm_you:

!? >_< what the heck

[22:01:10]

onewheelskyward:

what version are you running?

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rm_you:

erm

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rm_you:

bleh how can i tell >_>

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lostboy1:

gardengnome: well that didn't work, but I maybe running a version pre fix, I need to look at the code to see if the fix is there or not, but I have other things to do first

[22:07:20]

lostboy1:

i'll let you know when I get a chance to look at it again

[22:07:28]

rm_you:

ah

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rm_you:

onewheelskyward: 0.20_p12172

[22:07:34]

gardengnome:

lostboy1: the fix should be there. however, the name of that define has changed

[22:07:34]

lostboy1:

thanks gardengnome and GreyFoxx

[22:07:37]

gardengnome:

np

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rm_you:

hrm k

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Honk:

mythfrontend

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JimProfit:

Hi all

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JimProfit:

[22:56:06]

JimProfit:

:-/

[22:56:09]

onewheelskyward:

JimProfit: It's best to just go ahead and ask the question you want the answer to.

[22:57:16]

JimProfit:

ahh thank you :-) I am in argentina, downloaded lastest knoppmythtv, have a xtreme98 card, setup up myth for "argentina" using PAL-N

[22:57:28]

JimProfit:

but when I scan for channels, nothing appears

[22:57:38]

JimProfit:

can find anything...

[22:58:01]

JimProfit:

sorry, can't find anything

[22:58:44]

JimProfit:

It should scan and find all available channels that my cable company provides, right?

[22:59:05]

JimProfit:

Anyone have any ideas?

[23:01:19]

JimProfit:

guys? anyone know why it isn't scanning as it should?????

[23:01:51]

onewheelskyward:

I'm sorry I can't be of more help, I've never setup anything other than a US cable configuration.

[23:02:33]

RaYmAn-Bx:

JimProfit: are you sure it is detecting the card correctly?

[23:02:39]

JimProfit:

ok onewheelskyward, thanks anyway, but that has never happened to you not even configuring for us cable, right?

[23:03:09]

JimProfit:

maybe its the card, not sure if it is compatable, although it does see the chipset ok!

[23:04:06]

JimProfit:

maybe someone else has had the problem that when scanning no channels are picked up, and have managed to solve it ?

[23:04:54]

onewheelskyward:

Nope. What's your video source? Cable? Antenna? S-video?

[23:05:50]

JimProfit:

ok... cable is the source

[23:06:04]

JimProfit:

just lokoing at the Capture card screen now:

[23:06:42]

JimProfit:

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JimProfit:

it see the chipset ok, bt848a

[23:07:07]

rm_you:

Honk: so it IS in mythfrontend... WHERE!? theres nothing about audio in any of the menus, i swear i've been through all of them

[23:07:38]

JimProfit:

I have another card, I tried earlier (winfast tv 2000) and it DID see that ok! Still same problem

[23:07:44]

Honk:

general

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AMD:

hi

[23:07:49]

JimProfit:

Hi

[23:08:17]

JimProfit:

yes, I suppose it should read general, not enought space...

[23:08:17]

AMD:

is it possible to some how launch mythtv front end with a remote

[23:08:22]

jd99:

I'm having problems with my (svn trunk) backend crashing after finishing commercial flagging, does not leave any bad looking messages in the log..

[23:09:29]

AMD:

also how do i run front end from a terminal ?

[23:09:50]

AMD:

is it mythtv-front end ?

[23:12:12]

JimProfit:

guys? anyone know why I can't scan for channels?

[23:12:44]

AMD:

card configured correctly ?

[23:12:56]

AMD:

dose it work within linux ?

[23:12:57]

gardengnome:

have you entered an initial transponder?

[23:13:14]

JimProfit:

I suppose so, I check and check again, first time install, so there may be something I missed :-/

[23:13:19]

AMD:

didi you set the video soure ?

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rm_you:

what did everyone here set their Audio input device to (assuming you use alsa)? is "ALSA:default" correct?

[23:13:31]

JimProfit:

Yes

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onewheelskyward:

AMD: mythfrontend

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AMD:

thank bro

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AMD:

can i post some thing here to show you its realy short

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AMD:

?

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JimProfit:

in Capture Cards Reads: Analog V4L Capture card / BT848A Video (*** Unkown/Gene bttv / Default input Television

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AMD:

is it a DVB-T ?

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AMD:

DVB-C

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JimProfit:

In Source: Vedo source name: MultiCanal / No Grabber / Channel Freq. Table: Argentina

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AMD:

you haven't answered me thou :(

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onewheelskyward:

AMD: rafb.net is your friend.

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onewheelskyward:

AMD: If you're on gentoo you can pipe output to nopaste.

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AMD:

i want to use a buton on my remote to launch mythtvfrontend ,how do i do this

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gardengnome:

AMD: irexec is the tool for the job

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JimProfit:

I have not tried it within linux

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AMD:

begin

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AMD:

prog = irexec

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AMD:

button = home

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AMD:

config = mythfrontend

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AMD:

end

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AMD:

?

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JimProfit:

can I do that within knoppmythtv?

[23:18:12]

gardengnome:

AMD: yeah.

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gardengnome:

JimProfit: how does linux relate to knoppmyth?

[23:18:39]

AMD:

JimProfit:install kaffeine player

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AMD:

and configure you card ,get it to work

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JimProfit:

ok.. I downloaded and installed knoppmythtv, I have no other linux distro installed to try the card with

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AMD:

ohh

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gardengnome:

JimProfit: your very first stop should be dmesg – open a terminal and type "dmesg", hit return. look for stuff relating to your TV card

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AMD:

what card is it dvb ? what

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JimProfit:

it is a debian based distro, maybe I could apt-get kaffeine?

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AMD:

do as gardengnome: says

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JimProfit:

gardengnome: ok I will give that a try

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AMD:

JimProfit:yeh try it sudo aptitude install blah blah

[23:21:03]

gardengnome:

JimProfit: probably. it is possible that apt-get/aptitude will try to remover a lot of software from your computer. don't do it then, it's likely to break things

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AMD:

gardengnome:will i need to install irexec first ?

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JimProfit:

ok cheers appreciate the help, thanks guys (for the patients too!)

[23:21:26]

gardengnome:

AMD: yes. it'll also have to be running

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AMD:

will it run on rebooot by default ?

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AMD:

i dont seem to have irexec

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gardengnome:

AMD: it'll have to be started for your X session. you can put it into your .xession or .xinitrc file. it depends how you start X.

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gardengnome:

AMD: are you on ubuntu or debian?

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AMD:

ubuntu

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gardengnome:

yes

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AMD:

thank you gardengnome....really value you help.

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AMD:

so how do i find irexe

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AMD:

?

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AMD:

thanks

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gardengnome:

well

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AMD:

...........................

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gardengnome:

you are looking for "irexec", aren't you?

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AMD:

correct

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AMD:

i dont know

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AMD:

Couldn't find package irexec

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ByteChanger:

what module do you load for a nexus remote in LIRC? I loaded lirc_dev but its not responding to remote control...

[23:52:34]

gardengnome:

AMD: you need a program called "irexec". this program is located in the lirc package. if this package is installed, you hsould have "irexec"

[23:52:46]

AMD:

ahhhhhhhhhhh

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AMD:

where do i place the lircrc fielthat has begin

[23:53:36]

AMD:

prog = irexe

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AMD:

at the moment i have it in /etc/lirc

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gardengnome:

irexec has a man page as well. there's no need for us rto explain everything ;)

[23:54:30]

AMD:

yeh good piont

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AMD:

so man lirc ?

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AMD:

"man lirc"

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gardengnome:

"man irexec"

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AMD:

ops no manual

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gardengnome:

AMD: did you write "irexec" or "irexe"?

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AMD:

man irexec

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gardengnome:

what version of ubuntu do you have? ubuntu edgy?

[23:57:16]

AMD:

yeh edgy

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gardengnome:

AMD: does "dpkg -L lirc | grep irexec.1.gz" return anything?

[23:58:09]

AMD:

usr/share/man/man1/irexec.1.gz

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gardengnome:

the man page is there.

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AMD:

it has no lines

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AMD:

empty manual

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gardengnome:

is it a 0 byte file?

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AMD:

Manual page irexec(1) line ?/? (END)

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gardengnome:

wtf.

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gardengnome:

mine has like 50 lines

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AMD:

"line ?/?

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gardengnome:

that's interesting.

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baxter_kylie:

Hi! A brief question... Is the mythtv user not recommended as the primary login for a dedicated fe? I know it's not for a mixed desktop/fe environ.

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AMD:

not for me

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AMD:

= stress

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