Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, March 7th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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Fooker:

Is there any way to do dvd upconversion using myths internal dvd player?

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kormoc:

upconversion to?

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Fooker:

A better resolution :P

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kormoc:

well, just set the X resolution to what you want...

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Fooker:

As I understand it, a normal dvd is only 720x480 pixels, correct?

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kormoc:

round abouts, sure

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Fooker:

Menus and stuff look great on my HT screen, but DVDs look crappy – I assumed this was due to lack of upconversion?

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|Torg|:

dvd is 720x480 or 720x576

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kormoc:

upconversion won't actually make it look any better really

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juski:

no, it'd be a lack of resolution in the source material ;)

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kormoc:

it's not like it can pick up more detail or what not

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GreyFoxx:

"upconverting" is just scaling the image. like anything anytime you scale an image up the image wont look as good

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Fooker:

Hmm.....

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Fooker:

Theres gotta be a way to get a nicer image than what I'm getting....

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Fooker:

(without making my screen smaller)

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juski:

yeah downgrade to a SDTV set

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juski:

or sit farther away

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GreyFoxx:

buy hddvd's :)

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Fooker:

That would effectivel make the screen smaller.... it wouldn't fill my FOV

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kormoc:

HDDVD/blueray is about your only option

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Fooker:

GreyFoxx: The series we're watching the next couple of weeks is SD only

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juski:

better get some HD source material then eh

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Fooker:

I hate to say it, but I think I'll start buying stuff on VHS again :) Looked better in some cases.

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** juski laughs **

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GreyFoxx:

vhs is even lower resolution :)

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Fooker:

Then again, that was a 21" screen and this is a 135" screen....

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juski:

on a screen bigger than 32" VHS will look more crap than dvd for Pete's sakes

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kormoc:

hell, anything looks crappy on a 135" screen, other then imax films

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Fooker:

Actually some TV shows (on dvd or off the air) look pretty good on it...

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kormoc:

"I can walk into the guy's nose!"

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Fooker:

Mmm.... not quite :P

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Fooker:

Stephen Colberts nose is only like 20" tall :)

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juski:

the pixels are still probably too big

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Fooker:

Pixels are about 1/8 of an inch

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kormoc:

is it even a hd projector?

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Fooker:

Nope :P

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juski:

duh!

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Fooker:

Its a sub-1000$ projector capable of 1024x768 :)

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W6SN:

hum. ok, done with the recdate stuff, so i can view the list of programs by date

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kormoc:

you might have issues with 4:3 content looking like crap on a 16:9 projector or other way around

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juski:

Etoobigscreensize!

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Fooker:

Most 16:9 content looks great on it (its 4:3)

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juski:

size matters, and if you go too big.. well it's gonna hurt :-P

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rsdvd:

juski : LOL – ouch

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Fooker:

Once and a while you get a camera angle thats completely fuzzy.... not sure why yet

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W6SN:

Fooker: on what medium?

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Fooker:

Noticed it allot during The Hades Factor – camera angle would switch and you'd get a fuzzy image, it would switch back and it would be crystal clear

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juski:

sounds like compression artifacts being painfully evident because of the massive screen size

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juski:

never forget the first time i ever saw a 42" plasma demo running a DVD... EEEW

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Fooker:

I'm gonna try another DVD tonight, I just found out Hades Factor was done on a bit of a low budget, so maybe they used substandard cameras for the extra scenes cut in for the TV version, hoping no one would notice.

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juski:

heheh consumer DV

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Fooker:

You'd be amazed some of the shit CEOs will pull...

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juski:

I wouldn't

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juski:

they're a race unto themselves, those lot

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Fooker:

Friend of mine does agricultural commercials and videos. He flew to 11 countries to film diffrent farms and stuff, 4 people went, took 2 months. They bought 3 HD video cameras and 3 HD still cameras. The fourth video/still camera was a consumer DV camcorder

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Fooker:

CEO of the company didn't think it would make much of a difference if one camera was SD

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juski:

for the occasional insert, maybe not – esp if the output medium is destined to be dvd

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Fooker:

25ft screens at a HUGE agricultural conference.

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Fooker:

In which the company was trying to sell itself as the "high tech" alternative.

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juski:

aye well – what you need for the source always very much depends on the output medium

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juski:

crap in == crap out ;)

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Fooker:

Yep :)

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juski:

and I have nothing to record yet but hey

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juski:

anyway back to the subject – no wonder DVD looks shitty if you're blowing it up that big

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Fooker:

95% of shots look fine

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Fooker:

Its those 5% that piss me off....

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juski:

all those expensive scaler boxes are a waste of money – trying to put stuff into the signal that was never there... oof

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Fooker:

Ok, I'll move onto the sound then :P

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juski:

unless it's fancy deinterlacing you're buying em for – but in my experience deinterlacing in linux is more than good enough

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Fooker:

I need 7.2 or even 9.3 suround for a screen this size :P

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juski:

don't bother with an analogue soundcard then

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juski:

no need to spend $$$$ on a fancy DSP card either

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Fooker:

Onboard sound card is actually pretty good on my mythbox

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juski:

low-mid level card with spdif/toslink whose ac3/dts passthru works in linux will do

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juski:

mine sounds great on analogue til I turn it up some

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Fooker:

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp? . . . ;catid=21273

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Fooker:

Theres what I'm thinking :)

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juski:

funny.. no signal to noise ratio quoted :(

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juski:

important, on wireless phones

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Fooker:

Either that or I'll just wire in a headphone plug to each seat, and get some good noise-cancelling headphones with volume controls.

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juski:

if you've gone for a 135" screen wouldn't it be more sensible to go for the 'cinema' ethic & get some serious audio too?

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juski:

audio is arguably more important than the picture, especially in films

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Fooker:

I'm resigned to the fact that my HT area is never going to sound good

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juski:

wrong shape/size?

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Fooker:

Concrete floor with a think carpet, concrete left wall, conrete front wall, and no rear/right walls for at least 20ft

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juski:

ouch

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juski:

bouncy :)

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Fooker:

Not to mention, the main seat is perfectly lined up with the screen, the second couch starts about 2ft into the screen on the rigt side and goes out (so 3 of the 4 people it seats are not directly inline with the screen)

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Fooker:

The only way to do speakers for the seating arrangement would be to have basically two systems, one for each couch.

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Fooker:

And then you'd get bleed from one zone to the other.

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juski:

maybe

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juski:

just whatever you do, don't let it look like this! http://theater.stevejenkins.com/gallery/complete/

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Fooker:

Not to mention some people like their movies really loud, others don't, so headphones give you independent volume control.

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Fooker:

Not in my lifetime

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GreyFoxx:

1Wtf........ I think that is cool :) Way over the top, but cool nonetheless

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Fooker:

If I can find a really nice pair of headphones I think I'll go with that.

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shodan-:

mpeg2 5500kbit/s , 1196mb per hour -> http://domn.net/img/original-tcr-mpeg2.png

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shodan-:

h.264 800kbit/s , 380mb per hour -> http://domn.net/img/original-tcr-ffmpegh264.png

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shodan-:

I 3> h.264 :)

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juski:

GreyFoxx: humm... no accounting for taste I suppose ;)

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shodan-:

oops <3 that is

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GreyFoxx:

juski: It's so cheesy and over the top that I love it :)

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GreyFoxx:

Those chairs must have been a ton of dough

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clever:

Swap: 209648k av, 36076k used, 173572k free 4294966268k cached

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clever:

something is odd there

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W6SN:

you have negative cache!

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clever:

its reading at 4tb cached

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clever:

and it has 64mb of ram

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juski:

GreyFoxx: I like the layout & stuff.. just dont like the 1920s theme

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clever:

W6SN what could cause that?

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GreyFoxx:

juski: That's part of why I like it hehe

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onewheelskyward:

That home theatre hurts my eyes.

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GreyFoxx:

I bet that whole thing took a lot of time and money heh

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onewheelskyward:

It reminds me of a line from Leisure Suit Larry 1: "Do you know how many naugas had to die for that naugahide door?"

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GreyFoxx:

malban: hahah nifty

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onewheelskyward:

Ok, that's pretty cool.

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juski:

heheh all that tech & HOW many remotes?!

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clever:

W6SN odd the cached memory droped to 2mb now

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clever:

wait its 4tb agin

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juski:

I should add a rear centre at some point soonish

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Voting:

Hi, folks!

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Voting:

Does anyone know if I can set up a mythTV box that can capture Closed Captioning data to a file?

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Voting:

Is it there by default?

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v jams

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GreyFoxx:

Myth can definately capture and playback CC info. But it's not stored in aseperate file

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Voting:

Is it captured IN THE VIDEO FILE as text?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't know for sure

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Voting:

Who would know?

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GreyFoxx:

I'd be fairly suprised if it was stored as plain text, but it very well could be

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Voting:

Does anyone know how to reach the developers? I might have budget to support some new features being added.

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GreyFoxx:

Voting: the mythtv-dev list is a good place

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GreyFoxx:

But just put on your fireproof underwear :)

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onewheelskyward:

Or the myth dev list.

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onewheelskyward:

seeya!

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -v jams

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Voting:

do I need to be on that mailing list to email to it?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

hmmmm

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** GreyFoxx gets out his psychic hat **

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GreyFoxx:

Eric Lund

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GreyFoxx:

MediaMVP ?

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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Voting:

I'm lost

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Voting:

What point are you making?

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GreyFoxx:

Not a point, more a question, are you him, the one I've seen on the MediaMVP list

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jams:

so with this "embedded mysql" thing will we still be able to make backups of the db and also run our own queries against it?

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Voting:

Oh, no. I'm not him, GreyFoxx

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GreyFoxx:

jams: not likely, at least not using the standard mysql client

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jams:

that really stinks

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jams:

hopefully some other methods will be made available

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GreyFoxx:

I've not really looked into if you can use the regular client in someway

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GreyFoxx:

jams I'm sure something will be

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GreyFoxx:

I do manual queries on the database too much to not have something hehe

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jams:

guess I don't care about the regular client, i would just hate to see functionality be taken away

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jams:

lot of my stuff makes use of the current mysql client

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jams:

i'm just amazed at the sudden spark of interest in the embedded db

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GreyFoxx:

hehe yeah, a lot more interest now than there has been since we first mentioned embedded mysql

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Voting:

What are the other PVRs that are worth learning about?

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GreyFoxx:

There are none ;)

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jams:

hehe

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|Torg|:

I would rather the code go to sql queies to any db

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Voting:

What is better about MythTV

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|Torg|:

that way if you have Oracle for example you can set it up in RAC

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|Torg|:

and yes I know not everyone has developer acess to Oracle :P

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GreyFoxx:

Voting: Nothing I've seen, and I'm serious about that, not just saying it because I'm in here

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|Torg|:

but you can make that same argument for things like postgres etc

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GreyFoxx:

Myth supports more hardware, options, best scheduling option, web configuration, client/server setup, transcoding, etc etc etc

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|Torg|:

going to an embedded db tho would be a step backwards

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jams:

the client/server is huge

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GreyFoxx:

jams: yeah

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jams:

|Torg|- I agree with you

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|Torg|:

since Myth runs on linux just about any geek can convert/hack/track/manipulate it in so many forms its unfathomable

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|Torg|:

want to make it run on IIS and php, if you feal like coding go on

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GreyFoxx:

personally, I don't "care" if it's embedded or not. I have no problem setting up, configuring or manipulating mysql.

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|Torg|:

want to give it acces from my cellphone, go right on

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GreyFoxx:

Though I admit I do a lot of direct database stuff

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|Torg|:

I do almost everything direct

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GreyFoxx:

Voting: There is also a telnet control interface to control a frontend

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|Torg|:

even when I add new channels im still quiering the databse to see if it found them all

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GreyFoxx:

so another machine/touchscreen/webpage can control a frontend like a remote control

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|Torg|:

I change settings directly in teh settings table

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GreyFoxx:

I've got a ton of little scripts around that all manipulate the db in some way hehe

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|Torg|:

and when I dont like that it puts something out of order becase its incrmenting and index I reset the index and autoinciment

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juski:

grumble mumble whine mysql bah mysql flat files mumble grumble

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|Torg|:

I have custom perl sripts that rape epguides and put in episode information for example

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jams:

GreyFoxx- hopefully I figured a way to make that settings screen work. Just have to code it up!

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GreyFoxx:

oh? Nice!

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|Torg|:

for that matter there allready are nice frilly ones arround to do just that

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juski:

a little aside here = a guy at work has been playing with MCE & he told me of its scheduler limitations.. doesn't sound awfully nice or pretty :)

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|Torg|:

whats MCE :P

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GreyFoxx:

shodan-: After your mentioning the mythweb searchbar thing I wrote one for our provisioning app at work that works in firefox/ie and calls the apps search functions. Everyone was chomping at the bit for me to install it on their machines hehe

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juski:

non too hot at recognising repeat showings, by all accounts. I'd have expected that to be a given in this multichannel tv age with all the repeats going on

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juski:

part of the mysql 'problem' can be due to what various packagers deem to be 'good practice' – take ubunut as an example

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|Torg|:

its microsoft afterall, im sure its a MCE "feature"

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GreyFoxx:

juski: I agree

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shodan-:

GreyFoxx, hehe nice !

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GreyFoxx:

Turning on bin-logs by default, disabling networking, random passwords

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juski:

mysql isn't rocket science, unlike some other parts of OSS apps I could mention

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jams:

yep

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juski:

alsa, for instance

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GreyFoxx:

shodan-: hehe yeah I wrote the built in searchbar in the provisioning system cause I hated navigating the menus, this was a natural extension of it :)

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|Torg|:

juski I know mysql, and if I know it any swingging asshole can learn it, I know because I am one :P

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juski:

|Torg|: me too

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|Torg|:

repeat after me SELECT, UPDATE, INSERT, DELETE

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|Torg|:

cmon kids, you can do it :)

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juski:

though I've been looking at source code today & just about understanding what's going on so maybe that rules me out

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GreyFoxx:

I'm so lazy I wrote a Firefox+Thunderbird extension the other day, that I can highlight any phone # in a email or webpage, right click and hit dial and my voip phone dials it :)

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juski:

I think the main blocker is FEAR

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jams:

juski- you will be happy to know that I know have booting/installation working from a usb flash drive.

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juski:

it *can* look scary

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|Torg|:

its definatly FUD

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jams:

just like you asked for

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juski:

jams: yay :)

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|Torg|:

espeically since there is no pretty button slidbar gui thing for it

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juski:

|Torg|: yeah – too many users are keyboard-o-phobic

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|Torg|:

hey wait, arnt you the pretty slidebar gui gui juski :P

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juski:

let em rot I say :)

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juski:

hang on I've still not 'finished' neon-wide yet

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|Torg|:

is it green?

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juski:

whatever the heck needs doing to it – I've lost track

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juski:

I'm inclined to think that the marathon overnighter I pulled a few weeks ago just about finished it all off – other than stuff I'm looking to patch mythgallery & the status ui page for anyway

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|Torg|:

I just wish you could go for the dvb code what you do for the themes

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juski:

haha

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|Torg|:

hell for that matter, I wish I could :P

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juski:

I'm more inclined to say that for mythmusic tbh

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juski:

I don't use mythmusic cos it sucks but I don't want it to suck – i.e. I want to do something about it

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juski:

w.r.t. DVB the only thing I'd want to improve is the channel change time but then I don't use livetv enough to care much

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|Torg|:

it took me 3 weeks to convie my wife that the myth center was too big and overpowered to play her mp3s

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|Torg|:

hell all she has to do is dock her ipod to the sterio :)

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juski:

we play CDs on the frontend & thats about as far as it goes despite having thousands of tracks on the server

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|Torg|:

for be DVB keeps breaking but not in a way that can be tracked

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|Torg|:

all of a suggst it dont get PMTs no more, restart and it works fine

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|Torg|:

tune to an ATSC channel at it sits at L for 5 mins, then change chanenls and voila it runes great

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|Torg|:

there has to be some sort of code bloat or something that causing it

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juski:

fwiw, I'd much rather play around with themes & slowly start to get my feet wet in code – as opposed to being 'the mythtv promo guy' who exhibits mythtv to the great unwashed

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|Torg|:

but damned if I know what it is

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juski:

|Torg|: sounds drivery-ish

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|Torg|:

i dunno azap and szap work fine

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|Torg|:

sometimes I have to kick the atsc cards with azap then restart the backend

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juski:

maybe to do with the way myth uses the dvb api then, similar to how channel changes with $zap are WAY faster than in mythtv even taking the buffer time into account

[01:41:48]

juski:

but as you said – without mo info... it's impossible to say

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juski:

the tricky part is deducing where to look for problems like that

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|Torg|:

it dosnt happen enogh to make it unuelssfull just enough to piss me off

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|Torg|:

runs great as long as im at home, I go travel someone and come home expecting a bunch of stuf recorded and I find it died the day after I left

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juski:

haha

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juski:

my wife is the only person who can make mythtv crash here I swear

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juski:

blimmin beserk button stabber!

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|Torg|:

who do you think watches it without me when Im gone :P

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|Torg|:

I had to take ctrl-alt-del out of inittab, just for her

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juski:

"ooo it's too hard to use".. yeah right.. so HOW did it crash if you don't know how to work it hmm?

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xris:

any xmltv-using people here who also use svn?

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juski:

she'll say that yet anytime her friends come around she shows it off... tells all I reckon

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juski:

xris: I'll be firing up my svn box again soon – I have patch work to do

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|Torg|:

juski I think your wife and mine whent to the same class :)

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|Torg|:

"computers in the living room are unsightly"

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juski:

it'd be funny if there was a #mythtv-SO channel

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xris:

juski: I'm getting weird values for xmltvid in my new channel icon lookup stuff. let me know if/when you have time to poke around

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juski:

|Torg|: I'm with her on that. PCs that look like PCs have no place in a lounge

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juski:

xris: sure, no probs

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juski:

well,,, time for bed I reckon. need to be at work before 9am if poss...

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|Torg|:

of course the laundry, magazines, shoes, and blankets are fine

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|Torg|:

computers, well their just ugly

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bieb:

I have a question about which Hauppage card to purchase for MythTV

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xris:

bieb: also good to just ask the question rather than tell people that you're going to ask a question

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bieb:

xris.. are you following me? LOL

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Anduin:

bieb: some devs hang out in the dev and lowly user channel

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bieb:

I have heard the Hauppage card is the card of choice for Myth, NewEgg has the PVR500 and PVR250MCE for the same price, which gives more bang for the buck?

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bieb:

Anduin, I knew that.. that's why I did the "LOL" at the end

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xris:

bieb: 250 isn't made anymore. the 150 replaced it.

[02:12:10]

bieb:

what is the blaster?

[02:12:19]

bieb:

I am looking at the package contents

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opello:

sends ir traffic to an ir receiver

[02:12:54]

bieb:

remote sensor?

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opello:

like the one in your tv

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bieb:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . &Ntk=all

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bieb:

if you look here at the 14 Hauppage cards, what is in the MCE that is different than the others?

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cesman:

the MCE cards generally don't come w/ a remote control

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bieb:

is the TV tuner necessary on the card?

[02:19:53]

cesman:

ahhh

[02:20:14]

cesman:

yes, if you want to capture tv

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bieb:

one of the 150's on that page lists the TV tuner, the other one doesnt list it at all

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bieb:

ces?

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cesman:

bieb?

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bieb:

should I care that none of them list linux as "supported"?

[02:27:53]

cesman:

no

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bieb:

ok

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cesman:

you should note, most will work

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cesman:

however hauppauge changes chipsets from time to time

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cesman:

and it may take a little while for the ivtv folks to provide support

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bieb:

I have it narrowed down to the 2 PVR 150's one for 89.99 and the other is 79.99

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cesman:

why not get a 500?

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bieb:

well the 500 they have is white box, so no remote or anything

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tc860413:

Hi everyone, i am trying to build the svn mythbrowser package and i was wondering what ebuild i need for KDE Developement files. When i try to compile mythbrowser i get error messages like "main.cpp:15:26: error: kapplication.h: No such file or directory"

[02:30:17]

cesman:

if you intent is to solely use the cards for linux, all you need is the card

[02:30:28]

cesman:

you can always buy a remote seperately

[02:30:34]

cesman:

but that is up to you....

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bieb:

is there anything special I need in the remote?

[02:33:18]

cesman:

if you can find it, I'd recommend an ATI Remote Wonder

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cesman:

there is a remote wonder 2, but I've no experience w/ it

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|Torg|:

how many pieces of AV aquipment do you have? and do you have a surround sound deciver in the mix?

[02:35:36]

cesman:

a universal remote...

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cesman:

|Torg| good thinking

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|Torg|:

my harmony 880 is proobly the best thing I bought for my wife, ask her :P

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bieb:

well, the tv this is on will be just the tv and myth for now, no dvd or anything yet

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cesman:

no need to give me the tongue

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cesman:

hopfully you got some if the remote is so good ;)

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|Torg|:

haha

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bieb:

so the Harmony 880 is a good remote for expansion?

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cesman:

well, you'll be able to play DVDs

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|Torg|:

the hormainy 880 has the ability to put multiple systems remote commands onto one button

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|Torg|:

they call it activities

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cesman:

one that are unencrypted and encrypted ones w/ the appropriate library

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|Torg|:

so to watch a dvd on my system requires you to set the AV reciver to dvd, the TV to input 2 and turn on the DVD player

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|Torg|:

if you wanted to then watch my myth box you would have to change the av tuner and my tv to dignal input

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bieb:

I see

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|Torg|:

I still revert to my wireless keyboard, but thats only because I prefer it to the remote

[02:47:08]

Cowman:

I just had most of my recordings disapear, some recent ones remain but the bulk of them are no longer listed in the recordings. However, the disk is still full and it apears that all of the files are still there. What could have caused this and is it fixable?

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cesman:

ouch!

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cesman:

checking your db for errors would be the first I'd recommend

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Cowman:

with mysqlcheck? I ran that already

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bieb:

torg, which wireless keyboard you use?

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Captain_Murdoch:

Cowman: you're probably in the wrong Recording Group.

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Cowman:

All recordings

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Cowman:

er... sorry "All Programs"

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Captain_Murdoch:

you changed to the All Programs group or you assume you are there because it says All Programs in the left hand side?

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Captain_Murdoch:

all groups will say "All Programs" on the left unless you turned on the setting to put the group name there instead of "All Programs"

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Cowman:

a bunch of the groups are missing too

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Cowman:

yeah I'm on all programs. it's highlighted

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Captain_Murdoch:

if the groups are missing from the group chooser, it sounds like they aren't in the DB anymore.

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Cowman:

yes, that's what it sounds like

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Captain_Murdoch:

that list is built dynamically from the list of recorded programs

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Captain_Murdoch:

I'd check the logs and see if you can see what happened in there.

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Cowman:

so why arn't they in there anymore

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Captain_Murdoch:

don't know, when did they disappear and are they in your last backup?

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Cowman:

Well over the past week individual recordings have gone missing here and there. eg: I'd watch a new recording one day and the next it wasn't in the list anymore.

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kormoc:

live recordings?

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Cowman:

but now essenitally everything is gone.. save 4 recordings that were made today. I have a 300gig hard drive and it's full

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Cowman:

scheduled

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kormoc:

well, myth does have a slow delete feature, so it takes awhile for space to free up

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Cowman:

true, but it shouldn't have deleted any of that

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Captain_Murdoch:

full of what though. :) you should look in the logs and see if you see any clues there.

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Cowman:

I have auto-expire on but I'd just pruned a few things

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Cowman:

there was enough disk space left..

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Cowman:

wait I just noticed something

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Cowman:

myth recordings are all supposed to be .nuv files right?

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Captain_Murdoch:

if something auto-expires, there should be a message printed in the logs.

[03:00:13]

Captain_Murdoch:

nuv for software encoding, .mpg for others.

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Cowman:

yeah.... well there are a bunch of files in my recording dir.... which is normal but I just noticed the extensions are all .mpg.old

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Cowman:

which doesn't seem right

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kormoc:

sounds like failed transcodes

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Captain_Murdoch:

those are from old transcodes. you have the setting on to save the originals when you transcode

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Captain_Murdoch:

not failed, they are the saved copy

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Cowman:

so... my recordings dir is full of saved copies of transcodes?

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Cowman:

ok that makes sense

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Cowman:

d0h

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

oops

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** Captain_Murdoch wonders if the delete code should auto-delete .old files when it deletes the original. **

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Cowman:

that wouldn't be a bad idea

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Cowman:

where's that setting at?

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Captain_Murdoch:

can't recall, it's in mythtv-setup somewhere, probably on one of the JobQueue pages

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Cowman:

ok, mythtv-setup that helps

[03:05:08]

Cowman:

I upgraded about a week before this started, probably either the new version had it on by default or I hit a button and didn't realize

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Captain_Murdoch:

you may need to restart the backend or run "mythbackend --clearcache" after changing that to make sure the JobQueue picks up the change.

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Cowman:

stopping the backend before running setup(it complains otherwise IIRC)

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Captain_Murdoch:

good.

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Cowman:

found it

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Cowman:

might as well nuke the .old files

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Cowman:

and yup, that setting was on

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Cowman:

thanks folks

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Cowman:

btw, little hint that probably saved me from more issues: make the recordings dir a seperate partition from /

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antiProzac:

is it difficult to have a lirc(receiver) and a lirc(transmitter) deamon at the same time

[03:30:49]

antiProzac:

I have a working lirc_mceusb2 reciever working great with mythtv, now I would like to add a blaster to change channels(at the moment I rely on the PVR-150's tuner 1–99)

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antiProzac:

my cable box goes to channel 700

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antiProzac:

I assume I need to get a IR-Blaster of some sort, the mceusb2 blaster that came with the pvr-150 is only 36000Mhz and I have a scientific atlanta 2300 which uses a carrier frequency of 56000

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antiProzac:

who is christoph from the mythtv mailing list, is he ever in this channel?

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Ediehow:

hey xris

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Ediehow:

Ediehow: that's most often caused by mythtv not reading fast enough because it reads from the ivtv device and does some mysql query in the same thread

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Ediehow:

23:31:43 2006

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Ediehow:

<Ediehow> ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data.

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Ediehow:

ivtv0: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough.

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Ediehow:

what can i do?

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antiPosix:

lower bitrate

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antiPosix:

stop mp3 encoding of audio

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antiPosix:

make sure the hardware is encoding not software

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rifter374:

Is there a way to prevent myth from showing empty folders in the video browser. If I have a movie file with a parental rating of 2 and I'm currently at level 1, it just shows an empty folder. This Myth 0.20 by the way. I never had this problem with 0.19.

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antiPosix:

using mplayer?

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rifter374:

But it does it for both

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opello:

so with mythtv 0.20 do you still use nuvexport to do the mpeg2cut stuff, or is there something else now?

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rifter374:

Are you talking to me?

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antiPosix:

yes he is

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opello:

anyone that wants to listen i guess

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rifter374:

Haha, alright. I personally use the lossless auto transcode to cut out commericals and nuvexport for transcoding to xvid.

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opello:

so people still use nuvexport?

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antiPosix:

not me

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opello:

i just want to do it from a terminal so ... auto transcode doesn't seem very helpeful

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rifter374:

I do. I had to recompile ffmpeg to work right. Transcode is really slow.

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antiPosix:

isnt nuvexport for people who dont have a hardware mpeg encoder

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antiPosix:

people that use RTJpeg capture cards

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antiPosix:

like the brooktree ones

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rifter374:

Not necessarily, I have a pvr-250.

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rifter374:

Then again I usually transcode from the CLI.

[04:08:24]

rifter374:

Though I've never really used the one in myth.

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Ediehow:

antiPosix: how do i make sure the hardware is encoding?

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Ediehow:

i mean, it'd be using ivtv if it's hardware encoding, i thought

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Ediehow:

antiPosix: capture card setup has card type mpeg-2 encoder card pvr-x50, pvr-500

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opello_:

sorry about that, internet dropped ... antiPosix, did you have a recommendation on a nuvexport replacement?

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opello_:

antiPosix: right, so hopefully my connection is up for long enough to download and receive your recommendation ...

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Piadas:

GreyFoxx: Thanks for the help. My current backend didn't support -noupnp, so I compiled from 0.20-Fixes from SVN, and working great.

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briand:

Piadas: good news! glad you got it fixed.

[05:02:06]

Piadas:

thanks.

[05:02:32]

Piadas:

I'm curious to see how well it'll do in a non-techie household... :)

[05:03:01]

briand:

I'm a little ways away from setting up a myth box for my sister.

[05:03:39]

Piadas:

This was all 'leftover' parts except for the capture card, and it's for one of my wife's friends, whose VCR broke down a long while ago.

[05:03:48]

briand:

she likes the description, and she's keen to have one (mostly to record her soap operas.. ugh!), but she's not terribly computer-literate... so I'd probably have to maintain it remotely from here (~400 miles away)

[05:04:11]

briand:

I've still got my old Pundit box that I started out with, with a 320G drive in it...

[05:04:13]

Piadas:

400 miles! Wow. This one is about a 35–40 minute drive from home, so not too bad.

[05:04:26]

briand:

I'd only need to buy a tuner card to put in it, and it'd be good to go.

[05:04:50]

Piadas:

I've got to now update my home system to 0.20. I usually run about a year behind the 'official' release, mostly because of laziness.

[05:04:54]

briand:

maybe in a few months, I'll pick up a PVR-500 for it, and surprise her with it. :shrug: I dunno, yet

[05:05:15]

briand:

there is so much cool stuff in SVN now...

[05:05:42]

Piadas:

my problem is with two tuners going, I can't upgrade

[05:05:51]

Piadas:

'mid-season'. My wife would not like that

[05:05:58]

briand:

right.

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briand:

I usually ssh into my machine from work during the day.. check to make sure it's not grabbing something off discovery channel or whatever, and not about to run mythfilldatabase...

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briand:

then i'll `pkill mythwelcome` and `service mythbackend stop` and update from SVN and recompile

[05:07:18]

briand:

that way, when I get home from work, I've got the latest and greatest

[05:07:38]

Piadas:

yeah, I want to switch distros as well. I want to get off Fedora Core, which is on my home myth box.

[05:08:03]

Piadas:

what's mythwelcome?

[05:08:30]

briand:

it should be in the mythtv/programs folder in your SVN directory

[05:08:35]

achew22:

go overkill and go gentoo

[05:09:02]

briand:

if your machine is not needed to run 24/7 for other reasons, you can set it to shutdown when idle, and power back up when it needs to record, etc.

[05:09:25]

briand:

mythwelcome helps to coordinate all that

[05:09:41]

briand:

i think it's been availabe since 0.19... surprised you hadn't heard of it

[05:09:59]

Piadas:

yeah, my myth box has been rock stable, it just works, so I haven't messed with it.

[05:10:17]

Piadas:

other than a CPU fan gumming up and failing.

[05:10:20]

briand:

yep. i'm still running FC5 on mine for that same reason.

[05:10:36]

briand:

everything's working on it (for the most part) so why monkey with it?

[05:10:54]

Piadas:

Anyway, I've gotten used to apt-get and the Debian way of things (upgrading, etc.), and think I'd rather standardize.

[05:10:55]

briand:

(not that keeping up with SVN isn't "monkeying with it" a bit, but you get the idea)

[05:10:57]

achew22:

were you doing upgrades from .18 to .19 etc.?

[05:11:15]

Piadas:

My last upgrade was back then (.18 to .19). I haven't upgraded since.

[05:11:29]

Piadas:

yeah, I know, wrong IRC channel to admit that... :)

[05:11:30]

achew22:

Piadas, I think .20 is very much worth the effort

[05:11:34]

briand:

my first myth box was 0.18.1 on FC3

[05:11:54]

achew22:

briand, same, but I was running Ubuntu 5.10

[05:11:56]

briand:

I updated to FC5 when I rebuilt my myth system

[05:12:12]

briand:

that was... umm... last October?

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achew22:

did you upgrade the whole thing or just start again?

[05:12:36]

briand:

it was like two days before the 2.6.19 kernel was released

[05:12:48]

briand:

achew22: half and half....

[05:12:52]

Piadas:

I've changed distros about every time I've upgraded Myth... :)

[05:13:16]

achew22:

Piadas, I went to Fedora with .19 and then to gentoo with .20

[05:13:25]

briand:

new mb, new drives, etc.. had that all set up with FC5, then downed the (old) myth box, pulled the tuners, and set them up in the new box

[05:14:04]

Piadas:

Yeah, I like Gentoo, but don't have time or the patience for it anymore.

[05:14:17]

achew22:

Piadas, I couldn't figure a good excuse for having no extra dependancies holding me back

[05:14:22]

briand:

I also went from 320G of /video storage to 1TB of /video storage

[05:14:30]

Piadas:

I installed Gentoo on a laptop 4 1/2 years ago... now *that* was a challenge.

[05:14:33]

briand:

...which I've since further expanded to 1.5TB

[05:14:36]

onewheelskyward:

Piadas: I left gentoo for the same reason — but then I went back a week later.

[05:14:37]

achew22:

briand, I have 70g....

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** achew22 bows before Piadas **

[05:15:17]

briand:

I've got just under 400G available right now.

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Piadas:

I currently have about 300G total on the myth box

[05:15:29]

achew22:

hey, is anyone in here runing SVN?

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Piadas:

50% used.

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briand:

I am. :)

[05:15:45]

briand:

Piadas: 1.5TB, 72% used

[05:15:48]

briand:

;)

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achew22:

I switched to svn not too long ago and found that now you could configure two places for livetv/recordings to be saved

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Piadas:

heh

[05:16:12]

Piadas:

one backup?

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achew22:

can you add two folders i.e. nfs remote to a server with 1.5 tb (that I have setup now) and one to the local hdd?

[05:16:28]

Piadas:

briand: how is your 1.5T configured? LVM or Raid?

[05:16:38]

briand:

you can assign a directory to a "recording group" ... so you can have more than two

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briand:

Piadas: LVM

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achew22:

recording group?

[05:16:56]

briand:

yep. :)

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Piadas:

I assume you don't backup 1.5T of data, right?

[05:17:04]

achew22:

continue?

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briand:

hey.. it's only television, Piadas!

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Captain_Murdoch:

briand: no, Storage Group

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achew22:

okay, what are they?

[05:17:48]

briand:

ah,right... thanks for the clarification

[05:17:50]

Piadas:

Yeah, I backup all my MP3's, family movies, and digital photos to a separate computer, but I don't backup TV...

[05:17:51]

Captain_Murdoch:

achew22: by default, Myth will record 2 streams to a local drive before it uses the nfs drive.

[05:18:21]

achew22:

Captain_Murdoch, what if I nfs mount the folder will it still go localy

[05:18:28]

briand:

Piadas: now, my mp3's *are* backed up.. but there's only about 75G of those, so far

[05:19:31]

briand:

Piadas: I currently have 15,275 (more or less) mp3 files in mythmusic. mostly top 40 stuff from the 50s thru today

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Piadas:

I don't have that many MP3's, but I do have more than 25K digital photos.

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achew22:

Piadas, is that 25k (25,000) pics or 25Kb?

[05:20:18]

achew22:

;-)

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Piadas:

25,000 pictures.

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briand:

all yours, or collected from various places?

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Piadas:

mostly mine.

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briand:

cool.

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achew22:

are you a photographer for a living? or do you love your camera?

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Piadas:

My dad also digitized all the slides and photos of us when we were growing up. Those are in there, as well.

[05:21:07]

Piadas:

5 kids. :)

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briand:

my photography stuff is still mostly on film. velvia & sensia, mostly.. some older kodachrome stuff

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achew22:

That'll do it

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Piadas:

my dad had a lot of kodachrome that he scanned.

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Piadas:

and some other slides and stuff that had faded, unfortunately.

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Captain_Murdoch:

achew22: yes, if you nfs mount, it will still use a local dir before using the nfs dir. read my commit log here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 39035#239035 and the read my post just 24 hours ago here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/256679#256679 The second link shows you how you can force Myth to prefer certain dirs first.

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achew22:

Captain_Murdoch, is this on the dev list?

[05:22:33]

briand:

thanks for jumping in on that, Captain_Murdoch ... my memory gets cloudy/foggy this time of night...

[05:22:52]

briand:

and you're... well, pretty much the "authority" on that now, aren't ya?? ;)

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Captain_Murdoch:

briand: no problem. :) just figured it'd be easier to get it straight from the horses mouth. :)

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briand:

'zackly

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achew22:

Captain_Murdoch, the spoiler looks interesting do you have a eta for that?

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briand:

anyways.. nice chatting with you all again.. I need to run off to bed so I can get up in 5.5 hours for work tomorrow. g'nite all!

[05:24:40]

** briand waves **

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Piadas:

briand: tchau.

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Piadas:

and thanks

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achew22:

bye briand

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Captain_Murdoch:

achew22: no. I have the file moving code in the JobQueue done, but haven't hooked up the rest into the expirer or storage scheduling code. so it's only 10% of the way done probably, what's left is hardest and has been back-burnered for a while.

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achew22:

Captain_Murdoch, so if I have 1 local directory on my system then the other is a remote NFS it will fill the local one then fill the NFS one?

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Captain_Murdoch:

yes. each dir gets a weight depending on what is going on on the dir at the time we want to start a new recording. the local dirs are preferred by offsetting their weight by -19, so they can take 2 recordings (at +10 each) before the remote dir (at weight 0) will be preferred over the local dir (now at +1 since we started at -19 and added +10 each for the two recordings)

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Captain_Murdoch:

so you want them to have equal weights so it will put one local, one remote if recording two at the same time?

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achew22:

Exellent, thankyou for this Captain_Murdoch. If you need any help I'd be happy to try. I'm not a very good coder in C++ because I've used higher languages for a long time but I'd be happy to try.

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Captain_Murdoch:

right now Storage Groups are back-burnered for me, I have a few other things I'm working on and trying to get some of my tickets closed as well. :)

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achew22:

well good luck with that

[05:31:12]

** J-e-f-f-A used to try to get tickets closed too... ;-) Umm, I mean 'fixed' ;-) Now he just drives better! ;-) **

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Captain_Murdoch:

thanks. if I need testers, I may mention it on the lists. before I committed Storage Groups, they were tested extensively by myself and a few others because if it was screwed up it could have been a big deal. :) people hate lost recordings.

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achew22:

Captain_Murdoch, I'll never understand that...

[05:32:50]

Captain_Murdoch:

must not be married. :)

[05:33:04]

achew22:

no... I'm still a teen in all honesty

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achew22:

on the very limit of that statement though

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Captain_Murdoch:

well, when the girlfriend/wife loses this week's Desp. Housewives because of a bug, you'll hear about it for weeks. :)

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Piadas:

or she'll force you to find a .torrent of it...

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achew22:

does she become a "desperate housewife?" *rimshot*

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Captain_Murdoch:

no, you become a desperate husband

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achew22:

HA!

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achew22:

.torrents will save you. I also think they stream those off of ABC's site, dont they?

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Piadas:

dunno... Fortunately I don't lose too many...

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achew22:

what would cause a "Stale NFS file handle?"

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Captain_Murdoch:

file or dir you have open was removed by another process.

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achew22:

Captain_Murdoch, I just shared this folder though...

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Captain_Murdoch:

depends on what you got it on, try remounting the share on the client.

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achew22:

could the problem be server side?

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achew22:

would it leave lockfiles or something?

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achew22:

ahh had to restart portmap

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, I was going to tell you to google for it, because there's lots of suggestions as to what could fix that depending on what you were seeing it on.

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achew22:

yeah, google wasn't any help. I went through 5 pages before I asked

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achew22:

I tried...

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok. :)

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achew22:

OOH! new nvidia binaries

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Piadas:

ooh! Shiney!

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achew22:

hurray for useless and probably harmfull upgrades :D

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Captain_Murdoch:

binaries for what?

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Captain_Murdoch:

9746 has been out for months.

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achew22:

yes, but the ubuntu apt package is now updated

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achew22:

with somehting

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Captain_Murdoch:

ah. :)

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achew22:

Captain_Murdoch, you seem to be a good person to talk to for almost anything myth related. Do you have any sugestions for getting YPbPr out from a computer to a HDTV?

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Captain_Murdoch:

not really, I use vga into mine. don't know a lot about that.

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achew22:

darn, my dad wants YPbPr into his tv. My tv has a VGA in so I didn't do any research

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Captain_Murdoch:

there may be cards that can output that, I dunno, or maybe a VGA -> Component converter

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achew22:

they are EXPENSIVE

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achew22:

the converters

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achew22:

I'd rather get him a TIVO rvn. 3

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Captain_Murdoch:

tell him to get a HDTV with DVI :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

or DVI -> HDMI converter.

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achew22:

Captain_Murdoch, I may just do that....

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achew22:

no digital ins on the tv

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achew22:

just analoge but it has hd analoge

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W6SN:

hm

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W6SN:

i'm trying to recompile ffmpeg to have mp3lame on gentoo, but i can't seem to get it in there

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achew22:

you cant get in where?

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W6SN:

i can't get --enable-mp3lame into the configure flags

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achew22:

look up USE flags

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W6SN:

i ddid

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W6SN:

added mp3 and lame

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W6SN:

hrm, looks like maybe the ebuild is b0rked

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achew22:

i'm looking

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W6SN:

or it just looks for somehting i wouldn't have expected

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W6SN:

use encode && myconf="${myconf} --enable-mp3lame"

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W6SN:

heh

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** W6SN adds **

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W6SN:

cool. that was it

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achew22:

you can manualy add it or look in the ebuild like you did

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achew22:

W6SN, I do it ALL the time

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W6SN:

yeah, likewise

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W6SN:

well, this... is good and bad

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W6SN:

heh

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Dagmar:

So it recorded clearly, but what it recorded was gay porno?

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W6SN:

hah

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W6SN:

i'm trying todo a flv ffmpeg transcode

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W6SN:

it apparently has problems with 48000 hz mp3s

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Speedy2:

Hey all. Are there any utilities to help with channel management (adding, removing, renaming, etc)? I've googled but didn't find anything.

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cesman:

the channel editor in mythtv-setup

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Speedy2:

cesman: I meant something better than that.

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cesman:

I know of none

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CorpseFeeder:

I'm trying to compile mythtv on ubuntu... I'm getting some "cat: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf: No such file or directory" from configure... I'm not sure how to fix this, I didn't quite understand the " Modifying /etc/ld.so.conf" instructions. Can someone help?

[09:01:58]

Milosch:

not sure what those mean either but i have been able to ignore them so far

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CorpseFeeder:

I'll just ignore it then and see what happens L)

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Dagmar:

CorpseFeeder: What did you *do* to your ld.so.conf?

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Dagmar:

You probably did *not* need to change it.

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CorpseFeeder:

I did "echo /usr/local/lib >> /etc/ld.so.conf" and "/sbin/ldconfig"

[09:09:20]

CorpseFeeder:

liek what it said in 4.2 of the howto

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CorpseFeeder:

like

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CorpseFeeder:

not even sure what that did (if anything)

[09:11:01]

CorpseFeeder:

anyway, the computer is stil "make"ing at the moment, so I will see what the outcome is when it's done.

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CorpseFeeder:

ok.. it finished with exit errors

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CorpseFeeder:

i think this is the relevan part of the error I got from make – http://pastebin.ca/384755

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CorpseFeeder:

relevant

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Milosch:

so you need to install qt-mt

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Milosch:

and -dev

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CorpseFeeder:

ok.. I thought I got all the qt stuff.

[09:16:19]

Milosch:

same crap i ran into ;)

[09:16:21]

CorpseFeeder:

must have got the wrong one or seomthing

[09:16:48]

Milosch:

also libqt3-mt-mysql

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CorpseFeeder:

ok thanks

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Milosch:

the configure system they use doesn't necessarily find everything that's missing for some reason

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CorpseFeeder:

ok.. so I will have to run configure again after getting the extra devs?

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Milosch:

i don't expect so

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Milosch:

just when it comes time to link you'll have these kinds of problems

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Milosch:

but maybe you're done with them

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Milosch:

otherwise i have had very good luck compiling on Edgy

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Dagmar:

You don't need to add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf unless you actually have shared libraries sitting in /usr/local/lib

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CorpseFeeder:

ok.. i still got exit errors

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CorpseFeeder:

http://pastebin.ca/384770 complaining about -lXv now.. must need something else still

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CorpseFeeder:

that's all I'm doing for tonight. have to sleep. I will work on this again tomorrow probably. good bye people and thanks for your help.

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juski:

moooo

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quicksilver:

http://wilwheaton.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/piracy2.jpg

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juski:

omg crusher has a website

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quicksilver:

crusher?

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rsdvd:

Good Mornign Juski

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juski:

wil wheaton played Ensign Crusher in Star Trek TNG

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juski:

ffs call yourself a geek? ;)

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quicksilver:

:)

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juski:

morning rsdvd

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quicksilver:

I'm not a star trek geek, I"m afraid

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juski:

even now I don't think Ensign is a very good first name though

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rsdvd:

lol

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juski:

here's me thinking all geeks looked & acted like the Comic Store Guy in The Simpsons. pfft

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rsdvd:

speak for yourself – I am the definitve 'Geek' but I don;t look like him

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juski:

woo! my esata controller has arrived!

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juski:

bad news is, some fecker has nicked my e-sata cables

[10:35:12]

rsdvd:

lol

[10:35:50]

quicksilver:

I look like the comic store guy but act like johnny depp

[10:35:55]

quicksilver:

or is that supposed to be the other way around?

[10:35:58]

quicksilver:

I forget

[10:38:52]

Dibblah:

esata controller...?

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Ruleke:

juski: you going to use a PMP ?

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Dibblah:

I really hope you didn't buy the "let's save $.1 by using a PROM rather than an EEPROM" version. If you did, then you won't have boot support if you attach a PMP.

[10:46:06]

** Dagmar does the cabbage patch. **

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Dagmar:

Oh wait, you said "PMP" not "P.I.M.P."

[10:52:22]

juski:

a PMP?

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juski:

yeah folks – esata – latest & greatest thing where the sata connector has been er.. changed to be more suited to external usage

[10:53:25]

juski:

and they've bolted some stuff onto the protocol to allow for port multipliers (switches to you & me)

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juski:

only the majority of sata controllers available these days aren't 'port multiplier aware'

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varkatope_:

hi

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akifdino:

hello

[10:58:07]

varkatope_:

is mythtv able to use the builtin mpeg2/4, wmv acceleration of the new via cx700m2 chipset?

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Dagmar:

Probably not.

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varkatope_:

is it only a matter of time?

[11:00:35]

Dagmar:

Not unless the cards are cheap and the manufacturer is open about the programming specs

[11:00:37]

quicksilver:

well the ball's in VIA's court

[11:00:49]

quicksilver:

in the past VIA have produce linux drivers for some stuff

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quicksilver:

maybe they will this time :)

[11:00:53]

Dagmar:

Is this chip for encoding or decoding?

[11:02:00]

Dagmar:

Oh I see

[11:02:15]

Dagmar:

These are currently only to be found on boards with a VIA C7 CPU

[11:02:19]

Dagmar:

HAHAHAS

[11:02:29]

Dagmar:

NotonyerlifewouldIhaveoneinmyhouse.

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akifdino_:

i've a plugin called mythstream unfortunately it does not appear in the menus. does it need to be shown in the log during startup of mythfrontend?

[11:06:33]

varkatope_:

Dagmar: what is so funny about that?

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Dagmar:

Because a) their chips largely suck

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Dagmar:

...and b) one of them isn't fast enough to be worth bothering with without support for that chip.

[11:08:27]

akifdino_:

does mythfrontend show normally all the plugins loaded?

[11:10:42]

varkatope_:

Dagmar: but for htpc purposes these boards are quite fantastic, as they consume very low power and have all sorts of connectors onboard, like RCA component output and stuff

[11:11:03]

Dagmar:

And I'm sure you'll have many hours of enjoyment running Windows Vista Media Center on them.

[11:12:23]

varkatope_:

Dagmar: i wouldnt have asked here if i planned using winblows

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Ribs:

other via chips have been well supported in the past via XVMC

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Dagmar:

I'm more concerned with the fact that their past history has been making underperforming CPUs with missing CPU flags...

[11:20:40]

Dagmar:

...and all those wonderfully dodgy chipsets they've made for motherboards that drive people insane by their instability even on "supported" platforms.

[11:21:35]

Ribs:

heh

[11:21:41]

Ribs:

my old eipa works well as a server

[11:22:08]

Ribs:

I remember trying to build a pvr with a mini-itx thing

[11:22:13]

Ribs:

that hardware was cursed!

[11:24:44]

juski:

oh for fucks sakes people – there's nothing wrong with via epia kit

[11:24:51]

juski:

IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING

[11:25:06]

Dagmar:

So hows that minimyth build going?

[11:25:13]

juski:

muh muh muhhh whine whine whine

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Dagmar:

hehe

[11:25:43]

juski:

what minimyth build?

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juski:

that was for the s100 box which I gave up on – ask gardengnome or rsdvd

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akifdino_:

juski: can you tell me if a plugin needs to be shown during start of mythfrontend as beeing load?

[11:27:06]

juski:

no I can't, or is it I won't? I can't remember

[11:27:06]

rsdvd:

Dagmar – the minimyth build went very well – thanks to gardengnome and we now have minimyth running in the S100 :-)

[11:28:23]

juski:

let the whiners whine.. that way I have something to whine about :-P

[11:28:42]

rsdvd:

lol

[11:29:35]

juski:

if you built a pluin BTW, just FYI if it doesn't appear in the menus, you prolly did something wrong

[11:29:39]

juski:

*plugin

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juski:

or maybe the theme you're using doesn't support the plugin

[11:30:12]

akifdino_:

juski: yes, sure, but i'm looking for a way to get more information how to follow the error

[11:31:46]

juski:

actually for mythstream I think you need to edit the xml file which contains the media library menu items

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akifdino_:

i did as described in the README

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juski:

oh well

[11:32:39]

juski:

which readme? the one that comes with mythstream?

[11:33:02]

juski:

you're not missing much btw, I've only ever seen it work once

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akifdino_:

when i start mythfrontend it shows me some of the plugins like mythdvd as loaded, i wonder if it should do it for mythstream aswell so i would see if it is at least loaded

[11:33:25]

akifdino_:

juski: yes the readme and install file which comes with the source

[11:33:37]

juski:

er.. did you build everything from source?

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akifdino_:

yes

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juski:

search the mailing lists – this subject comes up from time to time

[11:34:34]

juski:

maybe the plugin's libs were put in the wrong place

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akifdino_:

no there is libmythstream.so in the same directory as the others are

[11:35:16]

juski:

well search the mailing lists then

[11:35:30]

akifdino_:

gossamer-threads.com ?

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juski:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/

[11:35:52]

juski:

etc

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akifdino_:

ok, i found that

[11:36:15]

juski:

rsdvd: did you get SCART worky?

[11:37:02]

akifdino_:

is there a way to get more information from mythfrontend?

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juski:

mythfrontend --help

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juski:

you have any idea how many kittens have been killed today because of you?

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akifdino_:

wow mythfrontend allows to initialize a particular plugin, so now mythstream starts, and it seems that it is a matter of theme configuration

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akifdino_:

cool, mythstream works great

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rsdvd:

juski : yes (Well gardengnome did)

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rsdvd:

juski : and he fixedsmorf-o-vision

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juski:

pity my get up & go got up & left innit

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rsdvd:

juski : you still gonna sell your S100s?

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juski:

does it involve getting off my arse?

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juski:

;)

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rsdvd:

lol – not really – sell 1 to me cheap and you don't have to do much

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akifdino_:

what do the offset tag in theme.xml do?

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juski:

!trout akifdino_

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** MythLogBot slaps akifdino_ with a trout on behalf of juski... **

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juski:

!trout akifdino_

[11:53:03]

** MythLogBot slaps akifdino_ with a trout on behalf of juski... **

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juski:

!trout akifdino_

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** MythLogBot slaps akifdino_ with a trout on behalf of juski... **

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juski:

!trout akifdino_

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** MythLogBot slaps akifdino_ with a trout on behalf of juski... **

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juski:

!trout akifdino_

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** MythLogBot slaps akifdino_ with a trout on behalf of juski... **

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juski:

!trout akifdino_

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** MythLogBot slaps akifdino_ with a trout on behalf of juski... **

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juski:

!trout akifdino_

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** MythLogBot slaps akifdino_ with a trout on behalf of juski... **

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Dagmar:

FLOOD MUCH?

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juski:

heh. I'm trying to get banned to cure my addiction

[11:54:17]

akifdino_:

juski: what does slapping someone with a trout mean?

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Dagmar:

It is a euphemism for striking someone with an engorged penis.

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Dagmar:

Of course, local interpretations may vary.

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rsdvd:

juski : in your oppion what would be the best way yo add swap to the S100....Usb drive or NFS?

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** Dagmar snickers at the mention of swap over NFS **

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rsdvd:

it is a supported option in minimyth....

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juski:

swap? no need man

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juski:

I ran my s100 at LRL without any swap whatsoever & it was fine

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Dagmar:

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I kinda have this thing against putting swap on a filesystem that could suddenly "go away"

[12:09:33]

Dagmar:

You can at least duct tape a thumbdrive into place.

[12:11:38]

juski:

there's not even any need for that sort of protection if the host fs is readonly

[12:12:10]

akifdino_:

what can be the reason why this plugin does not appear in mythtv.

[12:12:19]

Dagmar:

It was built incorrectly.

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akifdino_:

ahh

[12:12:53]

akifdino_:

the plugin build was incorrectly?

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Dagmar:

It could be a Zionist plot.

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akifdino_:

i've nothing against jews, although i like them

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dustybin:

i watched a really good clint eastwood film last night via mythtv, "The Eiger Sanction"

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juski:

it could be that not many people get paid enough to care

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dustybin:

they dont make films like that anymore

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Dagmar:

Mainly because Clint Eastwood is now old.

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dustybin:

and there is no one to replace him

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Dagmar:

OMG wait until you see the new NBA uniform design

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Dagmar:

They're talking about it giving players "a dramatic new silhouette"

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Dagmar:

...which is a way of saying "they'll look like a chick in a dress and a tight top".

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juski:

set phasers to 'ignore' :)

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Dagmar:

I expect to see that being ridiculed in the news all day long

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gbee:

National Ballerina Association?

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Dagmar:

COuld very well be

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gbee:

yay, successfully bypassed the windows password

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juski:

bloody hell – now ITV is worried about $ky's share of ITV

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dustybin:

juski are u looking forward to uk broadcasting freeview in HD

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juski:

freeview won't be broadcast in HD

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dustybin:

oh i thought it might one day

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dustybin:

like in america

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juski:

HDTV hasn't really set my world on fire

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dustybin:

i thought that 'might' happen when they turn off analogue

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dustybin:

ok

[12:22:36]

** dustybin reads **

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juski:

there's a glimmer of hope

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rsdvd:

dustybin : It 'might' but then again they can sell the spectrum to mobile phone compnaies and make lots of money

[12:23:01]

juski:

anyway I wish you luck playing h.264 HDTV in linux right now

[12:23:20]

juski:

but by 2012 it'll no doubt be perfectly possible :)

[12:23:21]

** dustybin hates offcom **

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juski:

it's all gone Pete Tong since the IBA was disbanded

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dustybin:

all those people out there buying HD televisions for no reason at all nearly..

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juski:

you've just realised?

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dustybin:

yeah!

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dustybin:

ill stick with my 15" portable for now!

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juski:

and have you actually SEEN HDTV in the shops?

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dustybin:

yes it looks pretty good from what i saw

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dustybin:

i guess it will have its uses for consoles like ps3 and HD DVD / Blue ray players once they are out..

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dustybin:

ok

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rsdvd:

the HD in stores is normally from a PC.......so they tweak it to be as good as possible

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dustybin:

ive never seen HD sky in action only demo in sony shop

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juski:

HD-DVD/Betamax/Minidisc/Shiteonstick

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dustybin:

heh

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dustybin:

i see!

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juski:

which one will fail?! PLACE BETS NOW!

[12:26:45]

dustybin:

HD DVD probably even though thats the best one

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juski:

Bansai ;)

[12:27:31]

juski:

I don't give a flying fig how 'good' HDTV is. if it comes encumbered with rotten DRM they can shove it up their rectums

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dustybin:

agree

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rsdvd:

lol

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juski:

and if that means opting out & having to read books for entertainment, so be it

[12:29:46]

juski:

I'm not getting into this depressing discussion again

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juski:

Joe Public is too stupid to know what's so wrong about it all, so everybody will suffer in the long run

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Zider:

the only real hdtv material I have is a transformers trailer ;)

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Zider:

and the mediacenter is too slow to play it

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rsdvd:

Zider – I am exactly the same – the only HD I haev is a trailer for 'Twin towers'

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juski:

another thing is that every affordable HDTV I've seen is shite by the looks

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juski:

so er.. I need to wait a lot longer for prices to come down

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Zider:

haven't tried any HDTVs yet, only the computer monitor :P

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rsdvd:

on a related note, but less contraversial......what is the minimum spec for a HD capable frotnend? I am considering building another frontend for my big HD TV.....but I want smething small/silent and cheap

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juski:

show me a £500 set that has decent contrast & can dinterlace properly *and* isn't 1024x720 resollution ;)

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juski:

rsdvd: for UK stuff I'd say wait til quad cores are cheaper

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juski:

seriously

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juski:

well, maybe dual 3Ghz.. or pay for the CoreAVC codec

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juski:

you'll not be playing h.264 HD without it for a while yet

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adante:

greets

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rsdvd:

by the time h264 is out – I will be ready to change the frontend anyway

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rsdvd:

I am unlikly to find a silent dual 3ghz though

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: how's the s100? did you get the remote going?

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Zider:

3GHz what?

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Zider:

just a clock speed don't tell much

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gardengnome:

3Ghz ASIC that'll run 3d mark 2001 and nothing else

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janneg:

juski: a single 2.4ghz athlon64 is with some tricks enough to play 1920x1080p h264 back

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Zider:

gardengnome: ASIC?

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gardengnome:

Zider: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application-spec . . . ated_circuit

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janneg:

Application-specific integrated circuit

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : S100 is working nicley.....not sorted the remote yet – that isnext on my list

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Zider:

ah

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: good luck :)

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rsdvd:

:-)

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : shoudl be ok – just need to use the keybindings stuff for that frontend

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: some keys won't work afaik. they generate a key code but they're not in the key table

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rsdvd:

:-( I will see what I can do.......juski used xmodmap......but not sure if that works on minimyth

[12:42:12]

gardengnome:

i'd use LIRC; that's most compatible and most annoying

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rsdvd:

but there is no lirc compatible device......I would have to add an external serial reciever (although I might do that cause I hate the S100 remote)

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: no. there's a special driver for lirc that'll listen on /dev/input/eventX devices.

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gardengnome:

the s100 remote is lovely IMHO :)

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rsdvd:

the remote just feels 'big'.....I prefer something thinner

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gardengnome:

don't get an ati remote wonder then.

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rsdvd:

I would like a harmony......but can;t afford it :-)

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Dibblah:

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Dibblah:

It is only 19", but perfectly formed.

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gardengnome:

"perfectly formed"?

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Dibblah:

It doesn't look like a piece of PC kit.

[12:51:00]

gbee:

:( can't find a windows 2000 driver for this card

[12:54:25]

janneg:

gbee: windows xp driver isn't working?

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rsdvd_:

gardengnome : if you wanted to look at something on the S10, you could work out why there is no /dev/ttyS0......so we can stop the display flashing

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gardengnome:

rsdvd_: is the serial module loaded?

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rsdvd_:

lsmod?

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gardengnome:

yes

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rsdvd_:

what would moduel be called?

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gardengnome:

dunno if it's actually called like that

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gardengnome:

i don't know ;)

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rsdvd_:

lol...nor do I

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gardengnome:

google might be able to help ;)

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gardengnome:

i've got to go, later

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rsdvd_:

bye

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gbee:

janneg: no, doesn't seem to anyway

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gbee:

but then the point of putting it in a windows machine was to find out if it's broken

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fryfrog:

What is proper formatting: Paragraphs with *no* white space between, only using <tab> to show new paragraph?

[12:59:28]

gbee:

website says XP SP2 and above, so..

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fryfrog:

or with a single CR to make it look prettier?

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juski:

hmmm serial port module...

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juski:

I knew that once

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juski:

prolly have 16550 in its name

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rsdvd_:

nothing in lsmod with that

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Dibblah:

8250_pci

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Dibblah:

16550... You're not old enough ;)

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Dibblah:

clock=pit

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Dibblah:

Err... Oops. Wrong window.

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Zider:

cockpit?

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juski:

modprobe -l |grep 8250 :)

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rsdvd_:

yay – modprobe 8250_pci

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juski:

it's built into my ubunut kernel

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Dibblah:

Zider: No. KVM stuff.

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Zider:

keyboard-video-monitor?

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Dibblah:

And now for reboot n+1...

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Dibblah:

Kernel Virtual Machine.

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Zider:

ah

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Dibblah:

Does noone read kerneltrap any more? ;)

[13:06:38]

juski:

www.fsp-group.com.tw/

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juski:

arse

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rsdvd_:

juski – minimyth doea not have a printf though.....so your ledflashy won;t work

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Dibblah:

juski: Don't do it.

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juski:

oh jesus. no printf?!

[13:07:20]

juski:

damn busybox

[13:07:32]

Dibblah:

They're called "sparkle" for a reason.

[13:07:39]

rsdvd_:

nor stty

[13:07:43]

juski:

Dibblah: we use hundreds of em

[13:07:56]

juski:

rsdvd_: dmesg will tell you what the node is

[13:08:24]

juski:

rsdvd_: IIRC my script used cat – no need for printf

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rsdvd_:

# This will stop the blinking

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rsdvd_:

printf "xa2xb2xa2xb2xa2xb2" > /dev/ttyS1

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juski:

cat would do exactly the same thing

[13:08:58]

opello:

or echo

[13:09:06]

rsdvd_:

how do I set the speed etc without stty ?

[13:09:21]

juski:

setserial

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rsdvd_:

guess what – not there either

[13:09:47]

juski:

what?!

[13:09:51]

juski:

oh ffs

[13:09:51]

Dagmar:

Then you have a Problem.

[13:09:54]

rsdvd_:

:-)

[13:10:12]

juski:

poke the uart registers directtly!

[13:10:15]

juski:

muhahaha

[13:10:40]

juski:

could be a job for some real code there

[13:10:43]

rsdvd_:

juski : I am not poking anythign :-)

[13:11:22]

juski:

computing has become much less fun since registers were all hidden away

[13:12:52]

rsdvd_:

juski : I just copied the binary from another box – and it seems to work – but the echo "xa2xb2xa2xb2xa2xb2" > /dev/ttyS1 does not stop it flashing

[13:13:48]

juski:

maybe copy printf over too

[13:14:12]

opello:

echo -e "xa2..

[13:14:39]

juski:

actually I remember having an issue like that I think

[13:14:54]

opello:

probably need -n too so it doesn't send a newline

[13:14:55]

juski:

and having to backslash some of the chars

[13:15:35]

juski:

see when I 1st did it, the 'code' wasn't on that forum & I had to make my own script if I remember right

[13:15:40]

rsdvd_:

is this supposed to be a scaii string or are these escapes?

[13:16:00]

juski:

find the thread on the forum

[13:16:51]

juski:

http://forum.zenega-user.de/index.php?act=ST& . . . 4302137485e8

[13:17:06]

juski:

in the 1st post they're hex numbers

[13:17:23]

rsdvd_:

my German is not good enough:-)

[13:19:14]

juski:

http://forum.zenega-user.de/index.php?s=497c5 . . . al&st=45

[13:19:25]

juski:

look at teufel82's post

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juski:

my German isn't all that hot either but you can guess a lot of it, or you use babelfish :)

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rsdvd_:

I was using google translate and itmakes no sense

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rsdvd_:

got the script and it don't work

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juski:

does /dev/ttyS1 exist?

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rsdvd_:

yes.....the script does not error – just does not stop the falshing

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akifdino_:

i'm really desperate, i can not get mythstream to appear in any of the themes, wether blootube nor elkin. what am i doing wrong, they are added in library.xml media_settings.xml and the theme.xml

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daviey:

hi all

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Dibblah:

Is it just me, or has mythcommflag become a lot more expensive?

[13:35:38]

rsdvd_:

juski ; yay – just needed to get the escapign right – the script now works

[13:41:07]

juski:

o ye of little faith .. pfft ;)

[13:41:20]

rsdvd_:

:-)

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rsdvd_:

oh by the way ....the '# This will simulate a press of the power button' does not simulate at all.....just tried it and it shut down my box

[13:44:13]

Dagmar:

Umm... isn't that what the power button usually does?

[13:44:22]

praet:

heh

[13:44:24]

Ruleke:

hehe

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juski:

lol I could have told you that

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juski:

nifty though eh?

[13:44:58]

juski:

every PC front panel should have a micro inside

[13:44:58]

rsdvd_:

dagmar : yes – but I was expecting it to 'simulate' for the benefit of the leds....but now I know what it does it could be handy

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gbee:

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Dibblah:

... Isn't that the USB card?

[13:47:13]

Ruleke:

hehe

[13:47:18]

Ruleke:

gbee: on ebay ? :)

[13:47:27]

Dibblah:

With 2 USB DVB-t parts strapped on?

[13:47:39]

gbee:

no! definately not not ebay this time

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juski:

ask dustybin what it's like – he's around somewhere

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gbee:

I didn't even mean to type "not not" there, just goes to show how much I now dislike ebay ;)

[13:48:44]

gbee:

Dibblah: pci

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Dibblah:

gbee: No, it's not ;)

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juski:

if I could say with any certaintly that I don't need my spare tuner you could have it

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Dibblah:

It's USB2, but everything's on one board, AFAIK.

[13:49:10]

gbee:

it's PCI with USB on the card

[13:49:30]

Dibblah:

Why not just buy 2 cheap USB2 sticks?

[13:49:32]

Ruleke:

sure it's usb2 and not 1.1 ? :)

[13:49:58]

juski:

yeah those usb sticks are stupidly cheap now

[13:50:13]

gbee:

hmm

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juski:

only thing is there's no guarantee of em being worky

[13:50:51]

gbee:

if someone can recommend a USB device which works well I'll look into the price

[13:51:15]

Dibblah:

There's plenty on ebay ;) ;)

[13:51:39]

gbee:

!trout Dibblah

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** MythLogBot slaps Dibblah with a trout on behalf of gbee... **

[13:51:43]

gbee:

meh

[13:51:58]

gbee:

heh, bit slow

[13:52:18]

Dibblah:

They even do HDTV!

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Ruleke:

onyl if they're usb2 :)

[13:53:18]

** gbee wonders if a conventional coax splitter would affect the signal much **

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daviey:

My Usplash image, comments appreciated: http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5128/mythtvub1.jpg

[13:54:15]

gbee:

seeing how those USB things don't tend to have passthrough (not that passthrough doesn't have it's own impact on the signal)

[13:54:26]

Ruleke:

gbee: some of my friends never got a decent signal after a coax splitter

[13:54:44]

gbee:

oh daviey, that's hideous! ;)

[13:55:00]

gbee:

no seriously, it looks good

[13:55:00]

daviey:

i know!

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daviey:

I'm really not an artist!

[13:55:20]

Ruleke:

strange res for a tv :)

[13:55:43]

juski:

gbee: you can generally only get away with splitting a good aerial signal once – after that get an amplified multi thingy from Agro's ;)

[13:56:21]

juski:

daviey: looks like the one I did

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gbee:

juski: that would be adding to the overall cost, which I guess makes those USB tuners less appealing

[13:56:45]

juski:

gbee: the 'outputs' on pci cards are rarely bufferred anyway

[13:57:37]

juski:

besides can't you get a decent amp for about a tenner?

[13:57:39]

gbee:

yeah

[13:57:46]

daviey:

juski, the big logo is obv. not mine :P – The background is shamelessly stolen from gnome-look bg's.

[13:58:41]

juski:

daviey: well at least it isn't BROWN :)

[13:59:13]

daviey:

juski, that is an option

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gbee:

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juski:

gbee: if the pci card's tuners are just a straight split you may need an amp anyway

[14:00:41]

gbee:

hmm maybe

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Dibblah:

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Dibblah:

juski: Which card?

[14:03:06]

Dibblah:

(ebay)

[14:03:26]

Dibblah:

juski: Which controller chip, even...

[14:03:50]

juski:

Dibblah: SiL3132 IIRC

[14:04:12]

Dibblah:

Download the drivers from sil, then.

[14:04:15]

juski:

only sub 200 quid card that's port multiplier aware & could find

[14:04:26]

Dibblah:

juski: Bwahaha...

[14:04:34]

Dibblah:

You're in for such a shock.

[14:04:49]

juski:

I know SiL's rep

[14:04:53]

juski:

they're SHITE

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juski:

it doesn't work in Linux, I know that much

[14:05:35]

Dibblah:

Err... So how have I got my disks attached, then? Magic?

[14:06:08]

juski:

the card I've got doesn't seem to work is what I meant

[14:06:09]

Dibblah:

That chipset is actually really quite good. I meant that that card is cheap as chips and available.

[14:06:21]

Dibblah:

Doesn't work how?

[14:06:34]

juski:

is identified but any disks attached to it don't show up

[14:06:43]

Dibblah:

Directly or through the PMP?

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psyco-obiwan:

gbee: i have 3 pvr 150 all splitted from one card to the next and i can't see any degraded signal quality on the last card in the chain, but i'd say it depends on the strength of the signal you get in the wall plug

[14:06:49]

juski:

WTF is PMP?

[14:06:57]

Dibblah:

Port multiplier.

[14:07:01]

juski:

either

[14:07:19]

Dibblah:

Are the jumpers set right?

[14:07:21]

juski:

how does 'port multiplier' get abbreviated to PMP ?

[14:07:34]

juski:

what jumpers?

[14:07:40]

Dibblah:

Because PM was in use, and PMT just wasn't... viable.

[14:07:54]

Dibblah:

Is the card you have eSATA only?

[14:07:59]

juski:

yeah

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Dibblah:

Oh. Mine has jumpers :(

[14:08:25]

rsdvd_:

gbee : if you get that usb freeview and it works in myth – let us know!

[14:08:31]

juski:

it's not seeing the port multiplier board, nor is it seeing a hdd connected directly to it

[14:08:45]

gbee:

hmm, not supported just yet – recent commits suggest they are working on it

[14:08:58]

gbee:

it's cheap though

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juski:

rsdvd_: if folks who owned the damn things could be arsed to add info to the wiki we wouldn't need go thru this rigmarole

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rsdvd_:

gbee :-(

[14:09:20]

rsdvd_:

juski : I agree.

[14:09:25]

Dibblah:

juski: If the folks that made the damn things...

[14:09:45]

rsdvd_:

I want to find a coupe of *cheap* cards for extras in the backend....

[14:09:59]

daviey:

juski, have you emailed the manufacture to ask them to do it aswell?

[14:09:59]

juski:

what? bothered to brek their NDA & get sued by conexant/whoever ?

[14:10:12]

Dibblah:

juski: you tried booting up a liveCD with the SATA attached?

[14:10:34]

juski:

Dibblah: got a worky Kubungee install

[14:10:38]

Dibblah:

Sometimes that can give you much better indication as to where the issue is than the BIOS.

[14:10:40]

juski:

sees the controller

[14:10:52]

gbee:

hmm, well I take it back – they've got it working, just not ironed out all the bugs

[14:10:59]

Dibblah:

Don't try the PMP unless you have a patched kernel.

[14:11:19]

juski:

or what?

[14:11:31]

Dibblah:

juski: http://home-tj.org/wiki/index.php/Libata-tj-stable

[14:11:36]

Dibblah:

Or it won't work ;)

[14:11:40]

juski:

heh.

[14:11:47]

juski:

it doesn't work anyway, so no great loss

[14:12:07]

juski:

I'll mess with it some more & see how far i get

[14:12:37]

Dibblah:

What's the PC and how are you powering the PMP?

[14:12:39]

gbee:

http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=linux-dv . . . =Megasky+580

[14:13:01]

Dibblah:

I've seen split grounding issues here)

[14:13:50]

Dibblah:

juski: There's a 2.6.20ish git tree floating around on kernel.org for PMP support as well.

[14:13:51]

Ruleke:

juski: PMP works with patches

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** Beirdo considers a dapper->edgy upgrade on his laptop. Hmmm. **

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Ruleke:

sorry I was afk :)

[14:14:34]

Dibblah:

Beirdo: I'd suggest considering a backup first :)

[14:14:45]

Beirdo:

hehe

[14:14:48]

Beirdo:

yeah well

[14:15:15]

Beirdo:

backing up over wireless, that might be fun

[14:15:58]

Dibblah:

Easy.

[14:16:08]

Ruleke:

peasy

[14:16:11]

Ruleke:

cheesy

[14:16:14]

Dibblah:

You'll be wanting Dirvish and this new thing called 'cron'.

[14:16:15]

** Beirdo goes off to add a new amanda profile to back this beotch up to tape **

[14:16:16]

Ruleke:

cheesy peas

[14:16:26]

Dibblah:

heh. That'd do too :)

[14:16:39]

Beirdo:

I don't want it in the weekly backup :)

[14:17:33]

Beirdo:

Hmmm, wonder where my spare tapes are...

[14:17:38]

Beirdo:

that could be an issue :)

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gbee:

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gbee:

the cheapest also being poorly supported at the moment

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rsdvd_:

where have you found the nova 500.......last time I looked it was cheaper to get 2x nova-T

[14:21:39]

gbee:

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Dibblah:

gbee: Good plan.

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rsdvd_:

ok

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gbee:

it's the 'super saver' postage addmittedly, but I don't mind waiting a couple of days more

[14:22:17]

Dibblah:

Anyone know of a source for Tetrahubs or equiv that are _not_ belkin and therefore expensive?

[14:22:23]

Ruleke:

I wonder why there aren't any dual DVB-C ones

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Dibblah:

Ruleke: Because not all content thieves are that greedy? ;)

[14:23:04]

Ruleke:

you calling me names ?

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opello:

heh

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Dibblah:

Never!

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Ruleke:

I have paid for my smartcard

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Dibblah:

In the UK, you plug in anything to the Cable network, you're breaking your terms of service, which sucks.

[14:23:53]

Ruleke:

pff

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Ruleke:

silly islanders

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Ruleke:

:)

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Dibblah:

Bah. You even get proper CAMs for your smartcards :(

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Ruleke:

yepz

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Dibblah:

How's everyone surviving post-Sky anyway?

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gbee:

all done

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gbee:

Sky? It's gone ... ?

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gbee:

j/k not missed it really yet

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gbee:

well there was only one programme I was even watching on Sky

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Dibblah:

Dream team? ;)

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Ruleke:

post-sky ? what does that mean ?

[14:30:59]

Dibblah:

Some of the channels have been removed from the UK primary cable operator.

[14:31:14]

Dibblah:

And they're both throwing toys out of the pram.

[14:32:06]

Ruleke:

ah

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gbee:

Dibblah: do I have to trout you twice in one day? :p

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Dibblah:

Eh?

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juski:

like anybody really misses $ky One

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Dibblah:

Ah.

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gbee:

it's 5 channels – but only one which most people would even notice and that one channel showed nothing but endless repeats 90% of the time

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gbee:

it just happened that they spent all their money buying up the big series like 24 and Lost

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Ruleke:

:)

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juski:

besides there are better ways to get top shows, and you get them in better quality AND with surround sound :)

[14:35:33]

Ruleke:

stop downloading from me

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gbee:

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juski:

I read yesterday about how sky are reconsidering bringing pay tv to digital terrestrial

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juski:

how many people would want an extra STB for 3 or 4 channels?!

[14:51:20]

daviey:

woo

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gbee:

juski: hope ofcom tell them where to stick it

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** gbee laughs at the idea of ofcom doing anything useful **

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quicksilver:

on top of the TV, presumably

[14:52:53]

quicksilver:

or under the TV

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quicksilver:

:P

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juski:

bring back the IBA !

[14:54:51]

juski:

so that'

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juski:

am I the only one who thinks that in this age where so much convergence is possible – that it's mad to bring out all this separate hardware for all the different tasks? it's just daft

[14:56:22]

juski:

I don't want 10 boxes under my telly, ta

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** quicksilver nods **

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quicksilver:

yes, it's daft

[14:57:18]

quicksilver:

but it's also pros and cons

[14:57:25]

quicksilver:

smaller bits means you can replace things one by one

[14:57:36]

quicksilver:

IMO convergence is still quite a long way off :)

[14:58:11]

rsdvd_:

juski : the S100 keeps crashing out with 'out of memory' erros – and all I was doing was playing some musci through mythmusic

[14:59:01]

Zider:

there should be a "rack-box" with standard slots for dvd, digital box and so on ;P

[14:59:38]

juski:

rsdvd_: eh? I got away with literally *no* swap using the retro theme

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rsdvd_:

not suer – I am using Iulius becuas eit is the smallest theme. I might have to add some usb based swap

[15:01:16]

juski:

arghh! USB based swap will wear out the flash quite quickly, I'm led to believe

[15:01:28]

juski:

if it swaps a lot, it surely will

[15:01:39]

Dagmar:

Well, "quite quickly" means different things to different people.

[15:01:53]

Dagmar:

To Microsoft with respect to how ReadyBoost uses it, 20 years.

[15:02:02]

Dagmar:

For everyone else, 4–5 years.

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rsdvd_:

juski : I know but there is not much choice.....if it burns out in2 years – I can cope with that :-)

[15:02:59]

Dagmar:

That and you can nab a 512Mb thumbdrive for like $10 now

[15:03:12]

juski:

flash only has like 100,000 or so write cycles doesn't it?

[15:04:44]

juski:

I've used NFS swap before & it's not so bad

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Ruleke:

you could go swapless :)

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rsdvd_:

juski : I woudl prefer NFS swap......but everyone in here said it woudl be useless

[15:06:07]

gbee:

it's apparently improving – some of the new flash based hard drive replacements have manufacturer claims of over 8 years

[15:06:29]

Ruleke:

warranty ?

[15:06:30]

Ruleke:

:P

[15:07:47]

GreyFoxx:

juski: can you do me a huge favour?

[15:08:07]

gbee:

http://www.tfot.info/content/view/100/59/ <= claims of ten years there

[15:08:21]

quicksilver:

juski: more like 1,000,000 these days apparently. And if that is distributed properly over the space, it's unlikely to be a problem

[15:09:20]

juski:

GreyFoxx: maybe.. 'sup ?

[15:09:32]

GreyFoxx:

I need you to try and send me an email

[15:09:41]

daviey:

thats a tall order

[15:09:43]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

[15:09:52]

gbee:

or "two million hours mean time between failures" claimed by Sandisk

[15:09:57]

GreyFoxx:

yeah I know, I just want it's source to be outside of north america :)

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rsdvd_:

juski / everyone : if I was to add swap on the usb key......should I create a partition of type 'linux swap' or just use a file and mount that as swap?

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quicksilver:

the former is supposedly more efficient but I can't see it mattering much

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Ruleke:

won't make much difference probably

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rsdvd_:

ok – thanks!

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juski:

disappointed it even needs swap though

[15:12:08]

juski:

I'd have thought minimyth wasn't just a small footprint

[15:13:12]

rsdvd_:

I agree – but it is the only thing I can think to fix the '"Out of Memory: Kill process 5697 (.xinitrc)"

[15:13:33]

juski:

ah maybe all the extra guff has laden it down

[15:13:38]

Ruleke:

add more memory ;)

[15:13:59]

rsdvd_:

Ruleke : not possible unfortunatly

[15:14:01]

juski:

is it still using a ramdisk?

[15:14:02]

Gurft:

Morning/Evening :)

[15:14:11]

Ruleke:

you used up 1GB ?

[15:14:31]

rsdvd_:

ruleke – it only has 192mb

[15:14:40]

juski:

128MB actually

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rsdvd_:

juski :not that I know of....

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Ruleke:

eesh

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juski:

how much video ram have you allocated?

[15:15:00]

juski:

8MB is enough

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rsdvd_:

juski ; so it is – even less than I thought

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Ruleke:

my backend uses 192... :/

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rsdvd_:

juski : 8mb – the max you can allocate

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juski:

put it this way, with no swap, it still blew people's socks off at LRL

[15:15:47]

juski:

no sweat :)

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rsdvd_:

:-)

[15:16:30]

rsdvd_:

if I give it a couple of gig of swap – I mightget to use blootube as a theme

[15:17:16]

Gurft:

I've gotten my box about 90% rebuilt, but am finally ready to throw my Hauppauge grey remote out the window. Anyone suggest a USB remote that works well?

[15:17:40]

Gurft:

Every time the ivtv guys fix something that I need, it breaks lirc_i2c and my remote no longer works....

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jams:

streamzap is a decent choice

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Ruleke:

Gurft: never had that...

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juski:

rsdvd_: if the webpage is still up. not checked it today

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akifdino_:

Ruleke: hi

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rsdvd_:

yes juski – your site is still there

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Ruleke:

hehe seems the Mepo guy has returned from his offline life ;)

[15:24:51]

Ruleke:

akifdino_: hello

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Gurft:

Ruleke I had it with 0.8.0 and now 0.10.1 FOr some reason I'm constantly having todo the --reset-ir on the ivtv device to get my remote to work.

[15:25:17]

Gurft:

actually with 0.10.1 I get ioctl VIDIOC_INT_RESET failed: Invalid argument when I try to reset it.

[15:25:36]

Ruleke:

Gurft: you upgraded userspace too right ?

[15:25:44]

juski:

I need some therapy for my theme envy

[15:25:50]

Ruleke:

yeah I haven't tested 0.10.1 IR yet

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akifdino_:

juski: mailing list did not help with any information regarding mythstream and menue entry.

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Ruleke:

juski: shall I hack your box again ? ;)

[15:26:24]

juski:

that's SO not funny

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Gurft:

Ruleke... yea, complete rebuild of my box... remember yesterday (My box is dead I have not backup, god hates me)

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akifdino_:

Ruleke: hacking his box again?

[15:26:57]

Ruleke:

Gurft: ah yes

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akifdino_:

ohh one more who is not a pessimist

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Ruleke:

akifdino_: heh just a joke ;)

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akifdino_:

ok

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Ruleke:

I think juski was the victim of some security hole somewhere recently

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Gurft:

I replaced the disk, did a scratch install, upgrade to 2.6.20 so my Xbox DDR dance mat will be properly supported in the kernel, and thus went with 0.10.1 of the ivtv drivers.

[15:28:04]

Gurft:

which were a HUGE fix for one of my sound issues, but now no remote...

[15:29:32]

juski:

almost in one of those spit-the-dummy-out & take-my-ball-home moods today

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Ruleke:

sorry juski :)

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rsdvd_:

juski : this bloody minimyth does not support ext2.....so I cannot mount the usb key .....grrrr!

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Ruleke:

Gurft: will have to test it when I get home then

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juski:

did I read that right.. xbox dance mat supported in the *kernel*? what's the world coming to?!

[15:32:11]

Gurft:

LOL, well, it's actually a patch to the xpad module for using Xbox controllers

[15:32:43]

Gurft:

DDR mats are recognized as controlers, and each pad is a direction on the regular game controller dpad.... problem is that on a dance mat, you can hit two directions at once (say...left and right)

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juski:

nice to see folks have got their priorities right. I mean it's not as if there are tuner cards out there begging for drivers ;)

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Gurft:

cant' do that on a regular controller.

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Ruleke:

juski: hehe well I somehow doubt it'll present itself as a HID device :P

[15:33:38]

Gurft:

Well, I use XBox wireless controllers to play mythgame.... ($10 a pop at the local Gamestop, homemade USB adapters)

[15:33:38]

Ruleke:

hehe navigate mythtv with your dance mat... forget the usb IR ;)

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Gurft:

That's fine for me... but what about my wife ;)

[15:34:01]

Ruleke:

excercise is good

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Ruleke:

lo mr garvey

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Gurft:

Actually, I've lost about 50lbs playing DDR

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Dr_willis:

500lb men playing DDR.. next on YouTUbe!

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Ruleke:

heh if you stopped eating too :P

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Gurft:

My wife has a picture of me playing last year. 350lbs jumping around like a luny... was pretty funny.

[15:37:03]

Gurft:

now I'm just under 300, play ddr and eat better

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juski:

there are more fun ways to burn calories I bet

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Ruleke:

you perv ;)

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Gurft:

LOL, working on that. Golf lessons start next week ;)

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juski:

golf? god just kill yourself now

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juski:

just go for walks instead – cheaper & you don't need to dress like a complete tit to do it ;)

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Gurft:

HAHAHA

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gbee:

but you can if you want ;)

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Gurft:

Around here it's khakis and polos. No plaid pants and old man caps

[15:41:34]

Gurft:

outside of my tubby personal life, any other remote control suggestions?

[15:41:46]

Gurft:

Was hoping to pick somethign up locally but looks like that's not going to happen.

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juski:

khakis & polos? bring me my pipe & slippers already ;)

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** Gurft has mental image of juski blowing bubbles out of a ivory pipe wearing slippers and a smoking jacket **

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juski:

with a homebrewed serisl remote receiver, you can just use *any* old remote :)

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juski:

*serial

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Gurft:

I'm out of serial ports :( Connections to the DirecTV boxes took them both. I don't think USB->Serial converters will work in this case, wil they?

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daviey:

Gurft, should do. I have a converter to swtich my tv on/off

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kslater:

usb->serial converters will work fine for the channel changing conneciton to DirecTV boxes tho.

[15:46:29]

juski:

not for homebrew receivers I don't think

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kslater:

used to use one for years until I swapped out the hardware in my main mythbox

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daviey:

juski, i haven't tried it – but it appears to just add a /dev/ttyUSB0 port

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juski:

daviey: I dunno if lirc_serial would work with it. be nice if somebody could categorically say one way or t'other though

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juski:

woo sonnet got back to me about the XP driver for this sata card already – nice & fast! v. impressed

[16:02:45]

juski:

some companies – I dunno why they bother having email addresses & websites, but not this lot :)

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gbee:

</advert>

[16:03:55]

gbee:

;)

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dustybin:

wow mythtv crashed for the very first time ever

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gbee:

backtrace!

[16:06:38]

dustybin:

i was deleting some stuff from this box using the front end whilst the main box was streaming tv

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dustybin:

and the tv froze

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dustybin:

and the frontend on this pc said it lost contact with the backend

[16:07:37]

dustybin:

but nows its rebooted and all is well

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rsdvd_:

juski : have you considered releasing a squashfs version of your themes so they can be used on minimyth?

[16:12:52]

juski:

funny you should say that, but

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rsdvd_:

NO ?

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juski:

no, you must have me confused with somebody who cares about users ;)

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rsdvd_:

lol.....just you use minimyth so thought you might have done

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juski:

anyway.. woo! got my sata port multiplier stuff worky now. had to use brute force to get XP to use that driver. Damn it & its 2nd guessing

[16:14:42]

juski:

now I just need to set up some rigourous exercises for the disks in the enclosure

[16:15:04]

juski:

5 * 750GB in 1 1U box.. I have my doubts

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Gurft:

I would worry about heat....

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juski:

I do worry about heat

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juski:

I also worry about the 2 fans the chassis designer just randomly plonked at the sides

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juski:

they never listen!

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juski:

it's like they make design decisions in completely the wrong order

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juski:

"we want a 1U high 19" rackmounted box to house 200 hard disks and take 1 watt of power"

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Gurft:

LOL!

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juski:

not on that kind of magnitude obviously but you get the idea

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juski:

the latest plan is to make all the disks removable

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Gurft:

in 1U....

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Gurft:

You get 3 up front and 3 out the back, like an SSA drawer?

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juski:

and get this: somebody in a position of power has said they want every disk to be mounted on a sliding drawer which can be slid in & out without needing to power the unit down

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juski:

all the disks, on the same bit of metal.. moving while powered up

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juski:

and this is a great idea how?! they're daft

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juski:

I

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Gurft:

does the management software allow you to spin the drive down first <sic>

[16:20:19]

juski:

what management software?

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juski:

;)

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juski:

it's RETARDED I tell ya

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juski:

I've given up trying to make folks here listen

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juski:

just give em what they want & to hell with it

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Gurft:

Ahh, we just found out that our new gear will be watercooled.....

[16:22:03]

Gurft:

Now we have to spend a fortune putting water sensors under the floor.

[16:22:43]

Gurft:

Which we jsut removed once the old mainframe rolled out :)

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Gurft:

it's the same everywhere juski...

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onewheelskyward:

water cooling in the server closet?

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gbee:

water sensors? wouldn't the short-circuiting servers warn you of a leak?

[16:25:27]

Gurft:

More like datacenter

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W6SN:

hrm, anyone used ffmpeg on mpeg2 .nuv's with 48000 hz mp3 audio?

[16:25:44]

Gurft:

water under the floor is dangerous to multiple racks of servers, water in the rack is only dangerous to the servers in that rack.

[16:26:28]

W6SN:

i keep kgetting: [mp3 @ 0xb7dfc5c8]incorrect frame size

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W6SN:

and the resulting audio is fast and crappy at best

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kslater:

W6SN – only on one particular file?

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W6SN:

kslater: all my 48000hz files

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kslater:

and what version of Myth? Seems like mpeg2's shouldn't be .nuv files, but .mpg files.

[16:27:53]

W6SN:

hrm, wait

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W6SN:

maybe they are mpeg4

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W6SN:

heh

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W6SN:

yeah, i transcode

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W6SN:

sorry, just got up a little while ago

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W6SN:

http://www.offsitebackups.net/videostat.txt

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W6SN:

so yeah, mpeg4, mp3 audio

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kslater:

and ffmpeg is choking on it? trying to do..?

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W6SN:

trying to make .flv files

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dustybin:

juski: The Truth About Size Zero ITV1 @9pm

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rsdvd_:

juski : have the S100 using your blootube-wide :-)

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adnick56:

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me im using the svn of mythtv and i noticed in my mythweb recorded programs that the buttos to delete and so fourth are missing.... Does anyone know how to fix this?

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Trentster:

Hey all, I have just purchased an lcd tv, it has many inputs, I want to connect my existing mythtv box that was connected to a normal tv previously to the new lcd tv. I am currently using the svideo out on the nvidia graphics card. any suggestions on which way i should connect to new lcd tv, and what changes i should make in xorg etc?

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gbee:

adnick56: have you tried deleting the mythweb directory and checking it out again? for some reason php/mythweb seems prone to corruption with subversion

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adnick56:

ahhh

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adnick56:

ok ill try that

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adnick56:

ty

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juski:

dustybin: yay Louise Redknapp!

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** juski drools **

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juski:

rsdvd_: you a masochist or what ;)

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Gurft:

Trentster: You'll probably want to use DVI->HDMI or a VGA input for better quality

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fryfrog:

Trentster: If your LCD has HDMI or DVI inputs, use that

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fryfrog:

DVI -> HDMI cable should be like $5–10 online

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fryfrog:

DVI -> DVI is fine if that is what it has, and VGA would be next best. Followed by component if it has it

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juski:

what's that coming over the hill, is it a Monster cable?

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fryfrog:

OH NO MONSTER CABLE!!! FROM BEST BUY!

[16:54:18]

fryfrog:

GOLD PLATED USB CABLE $70 WATCH OUT!

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Trentster:

Gurft, ok thanks, I will try vga for now, as I dont have a dvi to hdmi cable yet...

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fryfrog:

VGA will look fine, DVI -> HDMI might look a bit better

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Trentster:

fryfrog, thanks....

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gbee:

....

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juski:

bear in mind you don't get audio with a dvi to hdmi cable

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Trentster:

what changes do i need to make to xorg.conf as it was preset for tv, and it has zillions of modelines in there.........want to make sure I dont damage the lcd

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juski:

Trentster: you can't damage a flat panel TV with a bad modeline

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juski:

I repeat

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juski:

you can't damage a flat panel TV with a bad modeline

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Trentster:

juski, thanks..phew...good to know...

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Trentster:

so do i just setup the native resolution on the lcd tv in xorg

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juski:

you'd be hard pressed to damage a modern CRT with a bad modeline these days, FYI

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juski:

Trentster: native is always best

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Trentster:

juski, can you send me an eg of a correct xorg file for a native resolution for a lcd?

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juski:

can I what?

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juski:

can you use google? ;)

[17:10:11]

juski:

because I'm sorry but my personal collection of customised xorg.conf files (millions of them) is offline for spring-cleaning

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dustybin:

this is VERY interesting..

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dustybin:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Modeline_Database

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dustybin:

look at the above link

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dustybin:

if your using a tv lcd i think you usually need to setup a mode line for it

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juski:

awww dustybin I just realised that size0 thing is on the 'tard channel :(

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dustybin:

heh

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dustybin:

dont u watch stuff on 'tard?

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W6SN:

'tard?

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juski:

dustybin: I don't know if it's safe to or not

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juski:

I mean it might give me a labotomy televisually

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juski:

or something

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dustybin:

lol

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W6SN:

what's 'tard? :)

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dustybin:

re?

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juski:

I suspect at the very least it'll lower my expectations immeasurably

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dustybin:

lol

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juski:

W6SN: it's liek American TV, but with less commercials

[17:20:11]

juski:

oh and less good shows

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W6SN:

i find it ironic that people always blast american tv, yet say "oh, i watch lost and 24 and er and ..."

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W6SN:

(not indicating you said that)

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W6SN:

just commenting :)

[17:20:45]

juski:

not all USA TV is shite

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juski:

the same way not all British TV is great ;)

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W6SN:

*cough*kumars*cough*

[17:21:41]

juski:

the ingratiating people who live at no. 42

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gbee:

"24 and Lost" ... well 2 out of 2000 ain't bad ;)

[17:22:13]

juski:

24, family guy, american dad, heroes.. er,,,

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gbee:

seriously though, there is some good US stuff, but there is a lot of crap

[17:22:38]

juski:

that hacker show.. The Back Office

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dustybin:

wow whats that?

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gbee:

have to say though that US tv is getter better, at the same UK tv is going down in quality

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juski:

I just made that one up

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dustybin:

oh :(

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dustybin:

i got all excited then

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juski:

dustybin: aka 'Systm'

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dustybin:

lol

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W6SN:

gbee: i think there's a lot of good US stuff

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W6SN:

i don't happen to ilke it all

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dustybin:

ive set my myth box to record the american Office, i love that

[17:24:08]

W6SN:

i hate the american office

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W6SN:

i liked the uk version better

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juski:

I hate Gervais, end of

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W6SN:

aww, i like ricky heh

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dustybin:

i only watch it for Jenna Fischer

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juski:

reminds me too much of work, it's not funny

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W6SN:

hahaha

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W6SN:

juski: is it a black man's cock?

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juski:

???

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W6SN:

nm. was a joke from s1 i think

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juski:

aha. hahahaha hahaha hahahaha hahahaha

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dustybin:

did somone mention cock

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dustybin:

?

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W6SN:

royal family sitting around, so tey start playing a game

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juski:

I almost took that as a personal slight

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W6SN:

20 questions

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juski:

me saying it reminded me too much of work then you asking me if it was that...

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W6SN:

haha

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W6SN:

no

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W6SN:

so they were playing 20 questions

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W6SN:

camilla asks "is it bigger than a bread bin?"

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W6SN:

william says "yes"

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W6SN:

phillip asks "can I put it in my mouth?"

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W6SN:

william says "yes"

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W6SN:

so the queen says she knows what it is... "It's a black man's cock"

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W6SN:

or something along those lines :)

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dustybin:

i dont think graphic cards can handle 1366 x 768 so u will need to change it

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W6SN:

it was a typical ricky gervais on the office joke

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dustybin:

u will need to use either 1360x768 or 1368x768

[17:29:46]

dustybin:

if that modeline is for your lcd tv go ahead, if u stole it from somewhere else id create a modeline from scratch

[17:30:23]

dustybin:

u will need to dig out the manual what came with your tv and use a special utilitie to create the modeline for u.. let me get the name of it

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juski:

powerstrip

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Dibblah:

heh.

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juski:

or use one of the many marvellous online modeline generators online to make your modeline online

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dustybin:

no not powerstrip unless your using windows

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Dibblah:

As long as your monitor doesn't lie on the packaging / manual.

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juski:

just remember to *un* check the 'destroy tube' tickbox

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Dibblah:

The only way I found the native res of mine was in the menus.

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dustybin:

videogen!

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dustybin:

http://www.dynaweb.hu/opensource/videogen/

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juski:

woo handy to kow

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** W6SN kicks ffmpeg for not working **

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juski:

*know

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Dibblah:

Argh. I thought the mailing lists were a bit quiet.

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abarbaccia:

anybody here use nvram-wakeup and mythwelcome with svn? I think there's a bug in the time format

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Dibblah:

Note to self: When installing a new firewall, consider how it'll update DNS :(

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Dibblah:

abarbaccia: Which version?

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abarbaccia:

head

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Dibblah:

There was a fairly recent commit on this, I think.

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Dibblah:

Or at least a patch in trac.

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abarbaccia:

oh boy – lemme search svn

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Dibblah:

MSQL 4!!!! Yay!

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jams:

think paulh made some format changes to mythwelcome a while ago

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jams:

time format changes

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Dibblah:

Now, if only we could switch across to innodb – Then transactions allow all sorts of fun.

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abarbaccia:

i see that – but looking at how its working, it doesnt seem to be passing the correct time format to nvram-wakeup (or possibly just the correct format to mythshutdown which calls nvram-wakeup)

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Dibblah:

ISTR it's an option... Somewhere in the morass of other options.

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Trentster:

dustybin, thanks, do i need to check doublescan and interlace when figuring out the modeline, do i need those for lcd tv

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dustybin:

i think u need as much info as possible to help u create the modeline

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dustybin:

remember:

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dustybin:

The latest NVIDIA drivers of both the 9xxx and 8xxx series have a standard ModePool format that can be used to easily create a screen mode without the need of a modeline. For the best results you will want to make sure you have the proper HorizSync and VertRefresh values in your Monitor subsection.

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dustybin:

The format is simple, HorizontalResolutionxVerticalResolution_frequency

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dustybin:

These should be compliant for DVI and component output on all TV's so its probably worth trying before playing around with EDID and custom modelines.

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dustybin:

read the top of

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dustybin:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Modeline . . . rd_Modelines

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juski:

well, time to go & buy some foodies

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juski:

g'bye

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Gurft:

Needa refresher, how do I disable HAL so it won't freaking try to autoplay my CDs and DVDs?

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abarbaccia:

Gurft: depends on what distro your are in

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dustybin:

i use that card

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dustybin:

the scanning for channels is a issue

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Dibblah:

Working OK for you?

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dustybin:

ive got 3 problems

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dustybin:

1.. sometimes if tv is left on it disconnects and mythtv responds with there is a error with the video

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dustybin:

2.. sometimes from the main menu and i tune into the tv, the screen just goes black and nothing happens, thats even if i come out and go back into it, the only cure is to restart. the above problem is ok if i just go back and tune into tv

[18:10:33]

dustybin:

3.. when one first installs mythtv and does a big channel scan it crashes

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dustybin:

apart from that it works wonderfully, there are no problems at all when it records stuff

[18:11:54]

dustybin:

maybe in the future those problems might get corrected with updated drivers!

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Dibblah:

Looks like it.

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dustybin:

problems no.1 and no.2 dont happen that often so i dont worry about it too much!

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abarbaccia:

dustybin: do you ever look at the logs after either 1 or 2 happen? That would be the first place to look to solve that problem

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Gurft:

dustybin: I used to have problem 2 a LOT, then upgrade my ivtv drivers to 0.10 and it went away... but I lost use of my hauppauge remote...

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dustybin:

do you know the full location of the log(s) i should look at, if it happens again ill post the results

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abarbaccia:

dustybin: use the -l option when starting the backend and specify where you want the logs

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dustybin:

cool ok :)

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dustybin:

ill restart my backend now (...that sounds rude!)

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** W6SN ponders **

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dustybin:

ive restarted my backend with this

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dustybin:

/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start -l /home/mythtv

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abarbaccia:

um, you want to modify the mythtv-backend script

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abarbaccia:

becuase i doubt your script is going to pass those variables to the actual function call

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dustybin:

where are mythbackends logs stored usually? or doesnt it look unless u say?

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abarbaccia:

soo, open mythtv-backend, find where it calls mythbackend and add -l /home/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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dustybin:

i see

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dustybin:

i found this

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dustybin:

ARGS="--daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile $RUNDIR/$NAME.pid"

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dustybin:

i found the logs :)

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dustybin:

with your help ! :)

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dustybin:

next time there is a problem ill report to u guys

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abarbaccia:

thank you for calling mythtv tech support – have a nice day.

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fysa:

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fysa:

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AlienX:

is there any reason mythweb would work prior to a system shutdown but now it doesn't? I am just getting a directory tree but nothing else at this point when I go to localhost/mythweb

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onewheelskyward:

Does mythweb.php work as expected when you click on it?

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AlienX:

onewheelskyward, no, firefox tries to get me to download the file.

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onewheelskyward:

There's something wrong with your apache configuration.

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AlienX:

hmm pl

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Gurft:

Yea sounds like you have either a screwed up AddType definition in http.conf, or your php is wacked.

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AlienX:

s/pl/ok

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onewheelskyward:

Something must have changed and taken effect after the restart, which restarted apache.

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Gurft:

It *probably* worked until apache was restarted

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AlienX:

onewheelskyward, Gurft yeah, that's my guess.

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** Gurft and onewheel are on the same page ;) **

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onewheelskyward:

AlienX: Do you have allowoverrides enabled for your mythweb dir in httpd.conf?

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AlienX:

onewheelskyward, my httpd.conf is at http://eckserver.eckerd.edu/~bordelsr/httpd.conf

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onewheelskyward:

Ok you're missing something.

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onewheelskyward:

Add that just under the <Directory /> directive.

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onewheelskyward:

To be more specific, on the line after </Directory>

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onewheelskyward:

Ensuring the proper path, of course.

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AlienX:

onewheelskyward, thank you! Now lets see if it works :D

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onewheelskyward:

You may also need to add a default file, my installation doesn't pull up mythweb.php as default.

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akifdino_:

meanwhile anyone here who uses mythstream?

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AlienX:

onewheelskyward, which section should I copy that text ito?

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AlienX:

s/ito/into

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onewheelskyward:

Put it just after the <directory /> lines.

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AlienX:

onewheelskyward, sweet

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AlienX:

hmm, restarted apache and same thing. Even if I click on mythweb.php, FF still tries to get me to download the file

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fryfrog:

so i finally found something that will reset the firewire bus

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fryfrog:

g.... something

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fryfrog:

crap!

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fryfrog:

what was it???

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onewheelskyward:

AlienX: hmm. Do you have a .htaccess in your mythweb dir?

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fryfrog:

gscanbus!~

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AlienX:

onewheelskyward, yeah, it's a dot file

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onewheelskyward:

Is it full of fun stuff? And did you match the folder that mythweb is installed in with the folder in the <Directory directive I sent you?

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AlienX:

onewheelskyward, http://eckserver.eckerd.edu/~bordelsr/htaccess is the htaccess file

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AlienX:

let me check that directory directive again

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onewheelskyward:

Yeah that's the htaccess I have, too.

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kormoc:

AlienX, you sure php is installed correctly?

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kormoc:

cause mod_php not setting up the handlers correctly would cause that

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AlienX:

ah ha! I think it's because your directory objective says /var/www/localhost/htdocs and mine is /var/www/mythweb

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onewheelskyward:

Bingo.

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Gurft:

Okay, I'm doign somethign wrong here. I created a new partition and FS in Ubuntu

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Gurft:

and it took me 2 reboots

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Gurft:

1 to get the new partition table read

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Gurft:

and 1 to get a UUID for the filesystem so I could add it to the fstab file...

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AlienX:

onewheelskyward, nope, that didn't do it either.

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AlienX:

kormoc, yeah, it worked before and I don't think there were any changes in php in ubuntu in the last 2 weeks

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AlienX:

hmm just installed php5 and still no go.

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AlienX:

kormoc, http://pastebin.ca/385289 are the php packages installed on my system

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onewheelskyward:

What distro are you running?

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AlienX:

onewheelskyward, ubuntu

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kormoc:

AlienX, you might need to edit your httpd.conf and tell it to load the mod_php5 rather then mod_php or similar

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AlienX:

kormoc, hmm ok, i'll give that a go

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AlienX:

kormoc, actually, httpd.conf doesn't even list mod_php anywhere

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kormoc:

AlienX, might be in /etc/httpd/conf.d/blah or similar

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kormoc:

AlienX, I don't know your distro, so I can't be specific

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AlienX:

kormoc, i was looking in /etc/apache/httpd.conf

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AlienX:

as there is no /etc/httpd/ directory

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xris:

looking for any svn users who also use xmltv.....

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Gurft:

I've trying to decide which remote to get for my mythtv box. I spend way to much time fiddling with my hauppauges to keep them working. Anyone have any suggestions?

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Gurft:

I asked earlier this morning, taking a poll here ;)

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fryfrog:

I <3 my Harmony 688

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fryfrog:

it was cheapish and has been working super-fantastic

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dustybin:

i use the grey hauppauge remote what came with my nova-t 500 card, it works great with mythtv

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dustybin:

all the buttons are relate to mythtv perfectly

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dustybin:

i remember when i first attempted to get LIRC working on my box, it took me 1.5 days with no sleep

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dustybin:

and no food

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onewheelskyward:

I still have to get my ir blaster working.

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onewheelskyward:

I've used the hauppauge remote in the past with much success, what's wrong with the one you're using, Gurft?

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dustybin:

there are .config files already floating about for LIRC for that remote too

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dustybin:

has anyone here managed to get the mouse working with the remote? i havent attempted this yet

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Gurft:

Yea my gray hauppage is hit or miss. Once I upgraded to the latest ivtv I can't do a --reset-ir anymore and lirc_i2c doesn't seem the chip on the PVR-150

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Gurft:

It's been off and on for about a year now

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Gurft:

so I'm going with somethign a bit more.... robust.

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juski:

moo moo

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Gurft:

welcome back

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dverzolla:

Has anyone using PVR-350 to playout?

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Gurft:

you just missed my hourly poll on remote controls...

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juski:

Gurft: OFA-6 remote & a homebrew serial receiver

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Gurft:

The only way to fly?

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juski:

I programmed my own rc-5 based codes into the remote too, just for extra pomp

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juski:

Gurft: pretty much. I only need one remote instead of er.. three

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juski:

er.. 5 I mean

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DexterF:

hi

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DexterF:

is a duron 800 sufficient to decode divx5?

[20:18:37]

Gurft:

I have a Sony AV-RM3100 that controls the rest of the world

[20:18:46]

Gurft:

I guess I could use it with the homebrew.

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Gurft:

it's just so... bulky

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juski:

DexterF: maybe, depending on the resolution of the video

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DexterF:

juski: PAL at most

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juski:

720x576 divx ? you're skating on thin ice there

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DexterF:

(720x576)

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DexterF:

hmmm.

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DexterF:

pulled that old crate from under the bed, thought it maybe goes as a video player/streaming client

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juski:

my athlon 800 can just about play 720p mpeg2 with xvmc

[20:20:35]

juski:

DexterF: it's prolly more suited to being landfill now

[20:20:51]

DexterF:

well, video is some old ati, rage 128 pro or so. don't think this will give much video acceleration

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juski:

.. either that or send it off to some far-flung country who'd appreciate it

[20:21:20]

DexterF:

..france?

[20:21:36]

juski:

I can't remember what res the majority of my vids that I play on my 1ghz epia are

[20:21:36]

Gurft:

..Canada?

[20:21:58]

juski:

it's not as high as 720x576 I know for sure, and they play fine

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DexterF:

got an old xp1800+ here. intended to sell it rather, but oh well

[20:22:21]

onewheelskyward:

DexterF: I have one of those in dry dock, here. Good chip.

[20:22:39]

juski:

if you deinterlace the video before encoding it, you can throw half the horizontal lines away, making X * 288

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DexterF:

if I deint'ed it cheese style, yeah

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juski:

cheese style?

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DexterF:

well, throwing away lines is cheesy

[20:24:42]

juski:

in fairness you can't even tell

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stuarta:

evening...

[20:24:55]

juski:

not if the deinterlacing is done well

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juski:

evening stuarta

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juski:

halving the number of lines saves you a lot more space than simply using divx too

[20:26:16]

juski:

how do you think folks end up with 45 minute long tv episodes that are quite small in size yet perfectly watchable? ;)

[20:27:12]

juski:

see the wiki's page about nuvexport for examples of what you can get away with

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juski:

gah my dev box's mains lead has gone on holiday. no potterring about for me

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stuarta:

bugger. subtitles....

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stuarta:

trying to watch crap loads of stuff, can't do that with subtitles...

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juski:

ah Enotenoughhoursinday

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** stuarta watchesa bit of T3 **

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stuarta:

might even watch it at normal speed.

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juski:

so bored I might just try finding that mains lead & do some code furtling

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stuarta:

i'm doing that too...

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juski:

I've decided to take exception to the mythmusic patch that's gonna break loads of themes

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juski:

had a look in the qt docs about the classes used & it seems the original patch guy could have just used the same class after all

[20:35:19]

juski:

rather than changing it, meaning every theme creator needing to edit their themes.. ggrrrr

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dustybin:

how does lirc know there is a config file inside: /.mythtv/lircrc

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dustybin:

im pretty sure i havent soft linked anything

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juski:

lirc doesn't

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juski:

mythfrontend looks for it there

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dustybin:

i see!

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juski:

jesus. I can't remember my password for the spare machine

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dustybin:

juski: i know it, hold on ill just get it for you

[20:38:06]

dustybin:

juski: pm

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juski:

it might be 'juski'

[20:38:17]

dustybin:

or test123

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dustybin:

i usually secure most of my boxes with test321

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dustybin:

hence 'dustybin' ;)

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juski:

aha hahaha hahahaha

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daviey:

juski, ask the person who hacked you ;)

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** juski makes a 'V' sign in Ted Rogers' direction **

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dustybin:

lol

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juski:

what was with that show & it's unfathomably stupid clues? and the unfathomably stupid contestants?

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juski:

ah now I remember

[20:40:33]

juski:

they were what made it essential viewing

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dustybin:

ive learnt something new, u need to tell most linux appz where the lircrc files live before u can make use of them with a remote!

[20:41:03]

juski:

amazing!

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dustybin:

i know!

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juski:

I mean finding out that linux apps can't actually read your mind is a jarring thing when it happens

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dustybin:

but if u install LIRC before hand, most linux appz set themselves up automatically

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juski:

really?

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juski:

then again I only know of mplayer, xine & mythfrontend that actually use lirc

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dustybin:

according to what im readin!

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dustybin:

yep mplayer does

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gardengnome:

they'll bow to you because you mastered LIRC

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juski:

ooo you don't wanna be readin

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juski:

readin's dangerous

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dustybin:

especially reading from www.mythtv.org

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juski:

god yeah. I mean if you were to read stuff from there, or linked from there – and actually coming away knowing stuff you'd never need to come here, then where'd we be?!

[20:43:41]

dustybin:

heh indeed!

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dustybin:

every night i set myself a new task, last night was setting up the frontend on this pc for no reason whatsoever, tonights task is getting my remote working with the mouse

[20:44:19]

** gardengnome waits for UT to load **

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** juski laughs **

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dustybin:

ive actually got my remote working with mame!

[20:45:07]

juski:

actually another take on that video could have been the kid trying to compile mythtv

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W6SN:

<juski> I mean finding out that linux apps can't actually read your mind is a jarring thing when it happens

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W6SN:

THEY CAN'T?

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W6SN:

omg. why have i been using linux all these years then

[20:45:26]

juski:

oh shit. there goes another bubble

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W6SN:

:(

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onewheelskyward:

It sounded more like an aneurysm.

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W6SN:

*pop* whatever it was

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juski:

hmm. this is weird

[20:47:18]

juski:

where are all the warnings about virtual destructors?

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stuarta:

-no-warn-virtual-destructor ???

[20:48:44]

dustybin:

ive put in extra information inside xorg.conf. my lircmd.conf exists. what am i missing?

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gbee:

sod it, spent an hour on a bug fix only to realise that there was a much easier and much nicer solution

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onewheelskyward:

gbee: You realized it. That's the important part.

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juski:

stuarta: that's an option? I just realised after oo who knows how many times I've built svn that I've not seen those warnings for ages

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stuarta:

yeah, they got hidden by daniel many a changeset ago

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juski:

ugh

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stuarta:

mainly cause they aren't correct in general...

[20:52:27]

juski:

I wasn't ugh'ing at that. just had a nasty burp

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onewheelskyward:

I <3 this channel.

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S2:

i finally got acpi wakeup working!!!!!

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S2:

yeee

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dustybin:

what is acpi wakeup?

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S2:

uhm

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juski:

acpi wakeup is like an alarm clock for your machine

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stuarta:

wakeup by acpi :)

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dustybin:

heh

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S2:

you write a dete to /proc/acpi/alarm and the box comes up at that time

[20:54:07]

juski:

finally putting the RTC to good use

[20:54:10]

dustybin:

whats the point in it? isnt it easier just to leave it on all the time

[20:54:18]

juski:

dustybin: to save the planet

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juski:

& stuff

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dustybin:

i see, power save?!

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S2:

save the trees

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S2:

yes

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juski:

doesn't do me much good with my diskless frontend though

[20:55:02]

dustybin:

the trouble is, your mythtv box could be recording stuff anytime 24.7

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juski:

dustybin: yeah, that's the clever bit

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dustybin:

o_0

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juski:

mythtv will know it's been inactive for a while, and it knows when it's gonna need to be awake again, so....

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S2:

myth is very smart :)

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dustybin:

i see so it turns on in use then switches off

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clever:

what?

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S2:

dustybin, yes

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dustybin:

surely your pci cards dont use that much voltage anyway?

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kormoc:

every little bit helps

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W6SN:

hhhwhat is a recommended way to do this... 3 rooms for frontends, so we can watch recorded stuff from any of them, as well as having tuners in each machine, for local live tv.. should i make them all backends and frontends?

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dustybin:

yeah i guess so

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juski:

dustybin: my athlon 2000xp backend with 3 tuners, 3 hdds pulls about 120W, 24/7

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kormoc:

W6SN, if there's a local tuner, it needs to have a local backend, and if you want to watch, it needs a frontend

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onewheelskyward:

Wow, that's not too bad. 2 light bulbs, equivilant.

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gardengnome:

juski: that's a *lot*

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juski:

onewheelskyward: it adds up

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W6SN:

and if there's no tuner, does live tv work ok over the network?

[20:57:42]

dustybin:

juski have u implemented acpi into your setup

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gardengnome:

juski: my new frontend/backend consumes about 50W with one hdd and one tuner when everything is idle

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gardengnome:

the pundit needs 60W :/

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clever:

my laptop makes a great frontend

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dustybin:

how the hell do u work out how much it uses?

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clever:

and it draws a low power

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clever:

i have a few amp meters

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onewheelskyward:

There are devices you can use to measure draw on electrical appliances.

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dustybin:

ok

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** dustybin goes back to lircm **

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gardengnome:

you can borrow them from the power company for free here o/

[20:59:30]

onewheelskyward:

That's cool, gnome.

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clever:

ive seen meters on the web which simply have a power plug on either side and a lcd display

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juski:

dustybin: I need my backend on 24/7

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gardengnome:

clever: i've seen these meters in my house, too ;)

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gardengnome:

juski: how come?

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clever:

others are made to clamp arround 1 line of the power and not have to shut the thing off and unplug

[21:00:22]

gardengnome:

onewheelskyward: i think they're forced to do that by law ;)

[21:00:28]

juski:

gardengnome: er... so I can do mythweb from work, do stuff like umm.. IRC .... you name it

[21:00:42]

gardengnome:

juski: are you at work 24/7 ;)

[21:00:57]

clever:

ive done wakeonlan over the web before

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gardengnome:

i could always WOL my mythtv box from my openwrt device. <3 openwrt

[21:01:10]

juski:

then there are torrents.. they don't download with the power off

[21:01:26]

clever:

i found a wol test site which sent the packet as a udp to 69

[21:01:29]

juski:

gardengnome: been thinking about that a lot lately

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S2:

uhm... but when it wakes up by alarm the remote does not work any more.... sigh... there is *alway* something :(

[21:01:33]

clever:

so i forwarded 69 to .255 on my router

[21:01:38]

clever:

which worked perfectly

[21:01:47]

gardengnome:

juski: you don't really need to do that at night, though. well, it's your money

[21:01:49]

juski:

I don't need wireless, but having a tiny always on server thingy would be nice

[21:02:05]

juski:

hey I should see how much juice the s100 pulls

[21:02:28]

gardengnome:

juski: there are some nice asus routers with usb 2 ports and everything. the linksys nslu2 or whatever it's called is nice, too

[21:02:29]

dustybin:

i think ive foiled the problem, i missing the .lircrc file what should be in my home directory :)

[21:02:36]

onewheelskyward:

Those linksys routers/torrent grabbers are neat little buggers.

[21:02:46]

gardengnome:

juski: not much. the combined power for the PSU is like 31W afaik

[21:02:57]

juski:

hmmmm

[21:03:42]

juski:

that's like 210W, no load :(

[21:03:48]

clever:

i have 4 computers on 24/7

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clever:

and 2 more which are on nearly 24/7

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gardengnome:

clever: are you located in the US?

[21:04:09]

clever:

canada

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juski:

the ideal thing when I get around to it will be some home automation gear so I can unpower gear properly – but those plug-in units take two to five watts each anyway

[21:05:04]

dustybin:

i use a lovely silent effecient seasonic psu in my mythbox

[21:05:16]

juski:

my frontend pulls 2W in standby

[21:05:40]

juski:

bloody router pulls 5W, and that's always on damnit

[21:05:50]

clever:

my laptop draws enough power to kill the ups

[21:05:52]

clever:

when its off

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juski:

plus a switch which is always on

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W6SN:

if I have multiple backends, the master will elect one to record, right?

[21:06:11]

juski:

5W apiece doesn't sound much til it all adds up & the bill comes in

[21:06:12]

clever:

yet the ups can feed 2 routers a dsl modem and a cisco switch

[21:06:31]

gardengnome:

router pulls 5W, cable modem pulls 5W, stupid dbox2, my audio amp used to be switched on all the time.. it adds up. this household is constantly drawing 1000W.

[21:06:41]

juski:

!!!

[21:06:44]

dustybin:

solution: link a wire to your front road street lamp

[21:07:09]

gardengnome:

juski: trust me, the bill is horrible ;)

[21:07:20]

juski:

our TV pulls 15W in standby

[21:07:26]

juski:

15W just to light a fucking LED !

[21:07:31]

dustybin:

lol

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onewheelskyward:

juski: I hate that. Why is that necessary?

[21:07:37]

gardengnome:

i turn mine off.

[21:07:44]

juski:

onewheelskyward: I dunno

[21:07:53]

juski:

it's only powering some CMOS logic

[21:08:12]

** gardengnome turns off everything *completely* after the last power bill ;) except for the mythtv box **

[21:08:13]

juski:

inefficient PSU in the telly would be my guess

[21:08:21]

juski:

yeah we do that now.. when we remember

[21:08:49]

juski:

maybe 2 or 3 X10 power controllers, with multiway mains blocks plugged into them would help

[21:08:54]

gardengnome:

juski: there are devices that'll power off your TV automagically once it enters stand-by mode

[21:09:09]

juski:

gardengnome: I know, but they draw power too ;)

[21:09:23]

onewheelskyward:

haha...that's great. I have to buy a device to turn off my stand-by TV? Instead of getting up and hitting the switch?

[21:09:28]

gardengnome:

juski: yes, but they supposedly draw less power

[21:09:30]

clever:

my tv will shut itself off after 10mins of no signal

[21:09:46]

juski:

onewheelskyward: the TV, the cable boxes, the sub woofer...

[21:09:48]

clever:

and the mythfrontend stops sending the signal after a few mins of idle

[21:09:48]

gardengnome:

clever: it'll go to standby mode. that's not quite the same as turning it off.

[21:09:51]

juski:

the amplifier...

[21:10:08]

onewheelskyward:

juski: Point taken.

[21:10:08]

clever:

it doesnt turn back on when the signal comes back

[21:10:17]

clever:

so its the same as hutting the power button

[21:10:25]

juski:

even the PSU for my LCD monitor pulls 5W when the thing isn't even switched on

[21:10:29]

gardengnome:

clever: does it have an LED?

[21:10:40]

clever:

none running when its off

[21:10:44]

juski:

but of course all the wires are hidden under the desk so unpowering it isn't easy

[21:10:45]

clever:

one when its on

[21:10:53]

clever:

but the tube uses more power then that led:P

[21:10:54]

juski:

same with the printer, the hdd enclosure...

[21:10:55]

gardengnome:

clever: nice. can you turn it back on with your remote?

[21:11:00]

clever:

yeah

[21:11:02]

clever:

allways

[21:11:07]

clever:

so its never fully OFF

[21:11:07]

gardengnome:

clever: then it's not turned off :)

[21:11:26]

** clever looks for my amp meter **

[21:11:43]

** clever wires it up to measure the amps fro the tv **

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juski:

BDSMYTHTV ?

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gardengnome:

heh

[21:16:24]

juski:

slave lost connection to master... will be punished with the trout

[21:19:21]

juski:

looks like my code pottery will have to wait til tomorrow now – this compile is taking ages

[21:19:32]

juski:

lots has changed in 3 weeks or so, obviously

[21:21:24]

gardengnome:

clever: how much does electricity cost in canada?

[21:21:31]

clever:

i forget

[21:21:34]

clever:

and i cant find a bill

[21:21:52]

gardengnome:

well, it's not high enough then ;)

[21:22:02]

clever:

and im not the one paying:P

[21:22:06]

gardengnome:

ah, right

[21:22:14]

gardengnome:

neither am i, but i'm the one who is yelled at

[21:22:42]

clever:

lol

[21:23:22]

clever:

9 cents per kilowatt hour

[21:24:07]

** clever pokes gardengnome **

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monkeyBox:

When mythtv scans QAM frequencies, how does it come up with the XX#X numbers? Is that a standard number or calculated from the frequency/pid somehow?

[21:26:22]

gardengnome:

mine is approximately 27,6 cents per kw.h

[21:26:28]

gardengnome:

canadian cents, that is

[21:26:33]

clever:

ahh

[21:26:51]

gardengnome:

including taxes

[21:31:16]

monkeyBox:

I guess my real question is, Is it possible to derive the frequency from a QAM major channel number?

[21:34:41]

W6SN:

hrm, think 512 is enough for a lightweight frontend/backend box?

[21:34:47]

fryfrog:

okay, is minicom the best way to access something over a serial port?

[21:35:11]

W6SN:

tip

[21:35:25]

W6SN:

if you have it :)

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fryfrog:

kk

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akifdino:

is anyone using mythstream?

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dustybin:

did u compile and install?

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akifdino:

yes

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dustybin:

how is it?

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akifdino:

but unfortunately it doesn't show up in the menues, if i start it with mythfrontend mythstream it works just fine, no problems. but it doesn't show up

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dustybin:

that pretty easy to sort out

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dustybin:

u just need to edit a xmml file

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akifdino:

dustybin: how?

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dustybin:

for the menu

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akifdino:

i did

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akifdino:

but it doesn't show up

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dustybin:

hmm it should do

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akifdino:

i edited library.xml

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W6SN:

think 512 is enough for a lightweight frontend/backend box?

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akifdino:

media_setttings.xml

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

W6SN: yes.

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dustybin:

why dont u copy a setting for a existing menu and just rename stuff

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akifdino:

and also theme.xml, but it still doesn't show up and im desperat

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akifdino:

i did dustybin

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dustybin:

try restarting the whole box maybe?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

W6SN: My current backend is a dual PIII 866 w/512MB ram... 3 SD tuners and 1 HD tuner. It's a 'little' tight, but works well.

[21:47:03]

akifdino:

but it still doesn't show up. also i don't know where to look for loggin or getting mor einfo

[21:47:08]

akifdino:

i did restart the box

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dustybin:

if u rename somthing in the xml, like a obvious menu does it change?

[21:47:33]

dustybin:

ie mis-spell a word or anything

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akifdino:

i'm going to try it now

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W6SN:

hrm, ok

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

W6SN: What is your tv tuner?

[21:50:19]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

W6SN: I use hardware encoding tuners — a PVR-500 and PVR-250, plus an HD-3000 tuner.

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dustybin:

akifdino: read this

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dustybin:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2905

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dustybin:

u could modify it to suit your needs

[21:52:36]

dustybin:

i have a lircmd problem

[21:52:59]

dustybin:

to get my mouse working with my remote i have done the following things:

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dustybin:

1..added extra information in xorg.conf

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dustybin:

2..edited lircmd.conf with the correct information

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dustybin:

3..edited hardware.conf so it finds the lircmd.conf file

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dustybin:

4..created a .lircrc file in my home directory, but im not sure what to put inside it to make my remote work as a mouse

[21:54:26]

dustybin:

anyone have any ideas?

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juski:

mythtvtalk.com? can't. I'm banned

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juski:

:-P

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dustybin:

are u seriously banned?

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juski:

yeah. I banned myself. temptation & all that

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dustybin:

lol

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briand:

dang.. I wish you had said something before you did that, juski...

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briand:

I'd have had you ban me as well. ;)

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juski:

briand: just change your password to FDGHSFHSDFHGSHDGSAHDGHSAGDHSAGDHS

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briand:

heheh

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dustybin:

im thinking logically out loud

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dustybin:

x-server is what controls the mouse, so to make my remote contol work with the mouse one needs to tell x-server that you have a remote control device and u want it to act as a mouse

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fryfrog:

damnit, what is wrong with my stupid serial port power switch

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** dustybin double checks config **

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juski:

dustybin: it's covered in the lircmd docs believe it or not

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dustybin:

yes ive read those but little details are missing

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monkeyBox:

boo! just found out time warner encrypted HDNet, INHD, and UniversalHD as of a few days ago :-(

[22:05:35]

monkeyBox:

curse you time warner!

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dustybin:

i have created a new inpur device in xorg and it points to: "Device" "/dev/lircm"

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** monkeyBox clings to his Discovery HD Theater **

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dustybin:

so the next logical thing to do is see if that exists

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juski:

dustybin: you need to put the new input device in yer xorg.conf or it won't work

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dustybin:

yep i done that

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dustybin:

let me see if it actually exists in /dev

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dustybin:

it sure dam exists! prw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2007-03–07 21:41 lircm

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dustybin:

right im happy that xorg.conf is set up ok, now lets move onto lirc

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dustybin:

inside /etc/lirc/hardware.conf

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juski:

it's a long time since I played with lircmd

[22:09:49]

juski:

I only wanted it for mythbrowser then found out I didn't need it anyway

[22:10:09]

dustybin:

im only doing out of boredom, i have a little RF keyboard anyway

[22:10:30]

dustybin:

as Richard Branson says, "i like a challenge"

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onewheelskyward:

Mr Branson is one crazy fscker.

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gardengnome:

everybody likes a challenge, but nobody likes LIRC ;)

[22:13:36]

juski:

<8 Branson

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juski:

if my house was burning down & I needed to find somebody i could trust out of Branson or Murdoch... hmmm

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dustybin:

mythtv frontend automatically looks for the lirc configuration in .mythtv/lircrc I THINK, X-Server looks for the lirc configuration in ~/.lirc

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** juski gives dustybin a Blue Peter badge **

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gardengnome:

i'd assume the X server doesn't have native LIRC support, but that's probably just me ;)

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dustybin:

hm interesting, maybe i need to reinstall x-server with LIRC support!

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juski:

dustybin: NO. that's what lircmd is for

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dustybin:

ok

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juski:

have you started lircmd ?

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juski:

anyway isn't there a #lirc ? ;)

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dustybin:

ive started /etc/init.d/lirc start

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juski:

you need the lirc mouse daemon to get lirc to be mousey

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juski:

I thought you said you'd read the docs

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dustybin:

i sure it didnt say that! :-S

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juski:

oh wait.. you did. you said nothing of understanding em

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juski:

;)

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dustybin:

hehehe

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juski:

looks like my cctv knowledge is gonna be called upon yet again

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juski:

friend of a friend had his car nicked last night.. they knocked his front door down to get the keys

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dustybin:

jesus

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dustybin:

thats where zoneminder would of come in handy

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juski:

yeah he & his missus were still up & about too

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juski:

they're damn glad the theives found the keys so easy

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Or "Lojack" here in the US...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

What kind of car?

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dustybin:

why dont u build them a zoneminder box and point a few cameras around the place

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juski:

fancy posh Audi

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juski:

ahhh lojack, aka Tracker (tm)

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juski:

bloody useless, them things

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juski:

all you need is a cellphone/gps jammer & they're defeated

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juski:

or a metal box

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juski:

is zm reliable ?

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dustybin:

i used to use it when i used ub-craptnu

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

I dunno... Seem to be pretty successful in the us... And lojack doesn't use GPS... it transmits a 'beacon' that police track with directional receivers... (Unless they've changed in the past couple of years...)

[22:22:06]

dustybin:

it installed nice and easy on that

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dustybin:

and worked wonderfully

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juski:

actually it can't be any less reliable than sub-thousand quid embedded CCTV DVRs

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dustybin:

i setup my webcam and i recorded my mother coming into my bedroom

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dustybin:

and it sent the images via ftp to another location

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

TMI!

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

dustybin: Are you from Arkansas? ;-)

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dustybin:

heheh

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juski:

J-e-f-f-A|work: heh. tracker uses GPS & cellphone tech

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dustybin:

zm works entirely through HTTP

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dustybin:

its a quality bit of software

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juski:

but it ties up a power-hungry box

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dustybin:

because im using debian etch testing, there arent any solid packages for it at the moment and compiling it is a bit too heavy..

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

juski: Lojack is much older — approx 15+ years... Many of the police cars have 4 antennas in a neat square — approx 18" apart.

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juski:

I've got a http://www.dedicatedmicros.com/uk/products_de . . . roduct_id=37 myself :)

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dustybin:

i had zm+mythtv running on the same box when i used ubuntu with no problem at all

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juski:

bought it faulty from ebay, fixed it up all nice & worky

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juski:

dustybin: Enomorepcislots

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

dustybin: So you monitor your cctv camera(s) remotely using 'zm'? got a link?

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juski:

and I *ain't* using USB crapcams

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dustybin:

i used to not now, im having big trouble installing zm on debian etch

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dustybin:

it would be cool using Axis cams with zm

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juski:

you can't put axis cams outside though

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juski:

nor would I want to

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dustybin:

there are some outdoor models!

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

A buddy of mine has a monsterous 16-camera dvr system... and 12 cameras on it. He says it's cheaper in the long run than a monitored alarm (ie ADT), and would provide evidence for the cops if he got robbed...

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juski:

if someone pinches my £50 camera I won't be too bothered

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dustybin:

heh

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juski:

J-e-f-f-A|work: hope it's one of ours ;)

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** dustybin misses ZM lots **

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dustybin:

when i come back from travelling hopefully debian etch will be tested stable and a zoneminder package will be released!

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juski:

isn't there a ready-rolled distro with ZM already?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

juski: Probably not... there's tons of DVR systems out there now... I don't know what brand his is, but it's nice. He even bought a 17" lcd just for it... Crazy dude...

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dustybin:

yes i believe so

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juski:

I've seen a lot of the competitors' stuff – they make ours look really good – so much so I was amazed

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dustybin:

ZM is a quality bit of software

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juski:

yeah but it's let down by poor quality capture cards

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juski:

and cheap cameras

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juski:

me – I want 720x576 resolution, 25pps per camera

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dustybin:

u can link most i.p. cameras to zm including the axis range

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juski:

recording at 320x240 is very well & good, but when you figure that a perp's face might take up only quarter of the screen...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

juski: Most of my buddy's cameras are 720x480, 30fps (US NTSC) – A couple are lower resolution, and he's going to be replacing them.

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juski:

hey policeman, ID this 40x30 mass of pixels :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

juski: But they can just enhance it, like they do on CSI, right?!?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

;-)

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juski:

hahaha

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juski:

of course they can ;)

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juski:

they can look around corners too! ;)

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juski:

I used to love talking to our sales guys

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heanol:

i switched my connection on my mythtv-box from wired to wireless lan, now both vidoes (via samba mount) and livetv is.. choppy

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heanol:

and its not a bandwidth issue

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heanol:

anyone have any ideas?

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juski:

hearing stories like the one about the phonecall where a customer asked how much a DVR weighs.. when the disk is empty then when the disk is full

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heanol:

maybe increase some buffer will help?

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juski:

heanol: maybe decrease the wireless & replace it with wired

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heanol:

why?

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heanol:

it should work with wireless too

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|Torg|:

lantency

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heanol:

yes

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|Torg|:

not all connecitons latency are equal

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juski:

latency, interruptions to the stream...

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heanol:

but increasing buffersize should help

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juski:

use NFS instead of samba

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juski:

more efficient ;)

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juski:

hell samba is way slower than nfs on my wired network

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heanol:

yeah it is

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dustybin:

im pretty sure the lirc deamon is working:

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dustybin:

debian:/etc/init.d# /etc/init.d/lirc start

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dustybin:

Starting lirc daemon: lircd lircmd.

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|Torg|:

what file has the dvb signal falgs in it, I keep forgetting

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juski:

%zap

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juski:

oh *file* ?

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juski:

what flags?

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|Torg|:

its one of th dvb files in teh lobs

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|Torg|:

L is lock I know and I thing M is MGT

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|Torg|:

the rest I forget

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juski:

can't remember either

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juski:

it's in the source I think

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juski:

anyway.. g'night folks

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|Torg|:

I beliteve its in one of the dvb files in libmythtv but which one I cant remeber

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Dibblah:

S =SDT, c = encrypted. C = successfully decrypted.

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Dibblah:

I think :)

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|Torg|:

thanks where are they coumented tho?

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|Torg|:

err documented

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monkeyBox:

How do I get my OSD to show the channel name instead of the callsign?

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Dibblah:

signalmonitor.h, indirectly.

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|Torg|:

signalmonitor seems to be where it starts, but it dosnt list the flags, no does the cpp

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akifdino:

did anyone watch teh youtube clip of german mythtv users?

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GreyFoxx:

akifdino: I saw that hehg

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|Torg|:

I think most of us have

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akifdino:

unbelievable

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akifdino:

cool

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|Torg|:

juski made it

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GreyFoxx:

Well.....you know it wasn't actually a mythtv user right ?.....

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akifdino:

i just saw juski's leaving message and watched id.

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akifdino:

sure, a mythtv user would be that mad

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GreyFoxx:

It's a common clip that people keep putting new subtitles over making him look like a fool :)

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|Torg|:

its a real video ofa kid trying to play UT

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GreyFoxx:

there are like 50 different versions just like starwars kid

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akifdino:

ut?

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|Torg|:

juski just put some subitles and slappd on a logo

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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akifdino:

hehe

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|Torg|:

Unreal Turnament

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akifdino:

ahh

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akifdino:

game?

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|Torg|:

yes game

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|Torg|:

the clip in and of itself is infamous

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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akifdino:

but if i can not get mythstream to show up in any themes i will get that mad aswell and start destroying all the keyboards first i have

[22:48:48]

GreyFoxx:

search youtube for angry german hehe

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akifdino:

heheh

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GreyFoxx:

akifdino: Using non official plugins and get what you pay for ;)

[22:49:32]

akifdino:

GreyFoxx: yes, you are right, but would be good, there are several radio stations i just can get off the web.

[22:49:59]

GreyFoxx:

Personally I would like to see mythstream or something similar becoming official. but that requires someone to step up to maintain the code

[22:50:37]

GreyFoxx:

I've been thinking I'd like some sort of (and maybe mythbrowser can do this) app to scrap apples movie trailers and download them to watch locally or stream from the net

[22:51:10]

akifdino:

mythstream is actually quite good, is parses pages for streams and plays them.

[22:51:22]

jams:

GreyFoxx- I had planned on trying to add that to mythmovietimes

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jams:

but that is so far down the road right, probably can't even see it

[22:51:53]

GreyFoxx:

jams: yeah? That would be sweet. I check it regularly for trailers

[22:51:55]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

[22:51:55]

akifdino:

i've set up mythstream, but the only problem is that it does not appear in the menues

[22:52:36]

GreyFoxx:

akifdino: Is the plugin library in the same directory as the rest of the plugins?

[22:52:45]

W6SN:

hrm, maybe i won't build these machines out so beefily :)

[22:52:55]

akifdino:

GreyFoxx: yes it is. if i start mythfrontend with the argument mythstream it works

[22:53:25]

akifdino:

GreyFoxx: i suppose it is just a matter of configuring the theme, but i don't know where to look for the error,

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stuarta:

aaah, shaun the sheep has his own series :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

juski: My friend's 16-channel DVR is made by "Speco"...

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jams:

btw GreyFoxx my idea about for that settings screen almost works. Having trouble getting the signal/slot to cross classes when triggered configuration groups are involved.

[22:54:55]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

(oops, he's gone...)

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jams:

if its all in the same class it works fine, someday this blindmonkey will hit the right sequence of keys

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GreyFoxx:

jams: Seems to me I ran into that exact same issue once. I don't remember ever spending enough time to figure it out heh

[22:59:48]

jams:

well thats not very encouraging

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GreyFoxx:

jams: I didn't even ask anyone for help on it. Gave up quickly on it. But Someone can likely help

[23:01:27]

jams:

heh this probably is the wrong channel to ask for help of a coding nature

[23:01:42]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

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jams:

you know I haven't looked through the plugin code. Maybe there is an example there.

[23:04:11]

GreyFoxx:

I've been so busy with work stuff lately (we merged with 1 company and bought another all in the span of 2 months) I've barely had time for more than a couple simple perl scripts for my master backend

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akifdino:

is the technotrend c1500 a good choice?

[23:05:11]

jams:

akifdino- never used it

[23:05:26]

akifdino:

mhh

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jams:

GreyFoxx- that sounds like it created alot of meetings and paperwork

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** J-e-f-f-A|work is on his way home! (FINALLY!) ;-) **

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GreyFoxx:

jams: yeah

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GreyFoxx:

we had to basically rebuild one network.... so many fscked up stuff I'm amazed

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GreyFoxx:

and merge a ton of boxes/services

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jams:

i bet

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GreyFoxx:

and finally on Monday the name change, so a lot of stuff had to be altered

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W6SN:

hrmmm

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recon39:

hello everyone

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recon39:

can someone help me set up mythfrontend to rip dvd I have the dvd player working now and the dvd riper on the main user for ubuntu works fine. But when I log into mythtv and try to rip one on mythfrontend all it says is no jobs checking and or waiting for dvd

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recon39:

I sure hope some one in here knows how to fix the problem

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recon39:

rsdvd: do you know how to fix this

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stuarta:

try starting mfd

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rsdvd:

hi recon39 : sorry no i don't.........I find ripping a rather hit and miss afair

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recon39:

I am not sure how to start mfd

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rsdvd:

at stuarta says – first make sure mtd is running

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recon39:

ok thanks rsdvd

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recon39:

I finaly got the player to work the other night

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rsdvd:

what was the problem?

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stuarta:

mfd

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recon39:

sorry typo

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recon39:

either way I dont know how to start it

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rsdvd:

stuarta : ok – I thought it was myth transcode deamon

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dustybin:

the bastard mouse still wont budge with my remote

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** dustybin throws remote at wall **

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recon39:

do I start mtd through the terminal

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recon39:

or through mythtv

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rsdvd:

if it is not running you normally get a screen in myth that says 'press any number to start the deamon'

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recon39:

well I guess it is running then

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rsdvd:

type ps -ef|grep mtd

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** dustybin thinks positive and laughs mechanically **

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rsdvd:

recon39 : did you type it ?

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recon39:

sorry got a call

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rsdvd:

this might help http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mtd

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recon39:

rsdvd it says this ps-ef|grep mtd

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recon39:

sh: ps-ef: not found

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rsdvd:

lol....space betweenthe ps <space> -ef

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rsdvd:

did you buy that book ;-)

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recon39:

lol ok

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recon39:

rsdvd this is what it says when I type it right $ ps -ef|grep mtd

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recon39:

mythtv 4483 1 0 Mar06 ? 00:00:00 mtd --daemon

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recon39:

mythtv 7915 7647 0 18:54 pts/0 00:00:00 grep mtd

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rsdvd:

well the deamon is running then......which is good!

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recon39:

not yet I checked one out from the libiary

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rsdvd:

are there any messages in the error logs?

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dustybin:

my daemon is running too

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praet:

can anyone help me get audio from a pvr-250 working?

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dustybin:

root 2768 0.0 0.0 1560 304 ? Ss 23:47 0:00 /usr/sbin/lircmd

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praet:

or have any tips on figuring out this msp3400 stuff

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recon39:

I found out reading it that all I had to do was adduser

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rsdvd:

recon39 : I thought you already had a mythtv user?

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recon39:

I not sure I don't think so

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rsdvd:

ok – well you say you fixed that problme – so I am not goving over the again

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recon39:

yes I do i am talking about adding mythtv to the cdrom file

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recon39:

so it woild read the dvd

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recon39:

while on mythtv user

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rsdvd:

so does myth read the DVD or not? I thought you said that was workign and it was just the ripping you were having problems with? "chekcing or waiting for DVD"

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recon39:

the dvd player works fine now

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recon39:

yes it plays them on mythfrontend now

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