Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, March 1st, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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clever:

i had a schedules item comeup once while in livecd

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clever:

didnt read it fully but i think it had 3 options

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clever:

i dont use livetv much since my pc cant handle that much load

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GreyFoxx:

Too bad you can't record the HD off it over firewire or something

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clever:

but i sometimes set something to record then watch it while recording

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GreyFoxx:

I use livetv for 5 minutes anytime there is major changes in the code to the livetv stuff, otherwise never

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r3m0t:

rsdvd_: we used to have ntl, then as they were merging with telewest we moved to sky because my dad was impatient for HD content

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clever:

and it will stop recording on its own when the show is over even though im watching it

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rsdvd_:

r3m0t : just wondering if the midnight cullactually happened

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r3m0t:

GreyFoxx: I haven't found anything about skyhd+firewire online, so I assume it isn't possible. I would love it though of course

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r3m0t:

rsdvd_: midnight cull?

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r3m0t:

the most frustrating part is that they put a 300GB drive in the box then reserve 140GB of it (and do nothing)

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r3m0t:

GreyFoxx: there is a 6-pin firewire connector on the front of the box

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r3m0t:

PSU: does the sound work if you play it in mplayer outside of mythtv?

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r3m0t:

PSU: I mean, mythfrontend

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PSU:

r3m0t: thanks for your help! do you mean if i just play a recorded show?

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PSU:

through mythtv?

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PSU:

excuse my ingnorance... but how can i try playing it in mythfrontend?

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r3m0t:

PSU: err... whoops... just try playing the xvid file in mplayer or xine or similar and see what you get

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PSU:

how do i go about doing that?

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PSU:

sorry...just used to the mythtv menus...

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r3m0t:

do you know where it is on your filesystem?

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PSU:

yup

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PSU:

./myth/video

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PSU:

how do i get to a # to play it?

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r3m0t:

go there in konquerer or nautilus using KDE or gnome – do you have either of those installed?

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PSU:

hrm, wish i knew believe i have gone :)

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PSU:

gnome

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PSU:

let me exit mythtv

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PSU:

heh, i can't exit :/ won't scroll

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r3m0t:

just press esc or alt-esc or whatever you've configured to "exit"

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PSU:

yup, and for some reason now my "No" and "Yes, Exit Now" menus are both gray

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PSU:

i can't scroll up or down

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rsdvd_:

r3m0t : midnight cull = Sky cutting off Virgin Media (NTL)....they will nolonger supply any channels

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PSU:

even with a keyboard

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PSU:

i've never seen this happen before :/

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GreyFoxx:

hrm, some of these wishlight items are already implemented. I wonder if I should clean them out of the lists

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r3m0t:

GreyFoxx: only if the ideas themselves suck

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PSU:

r3m0t: should i just reboot?

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GreyFoxx:

I mean remove items freom the list that already exist or are already in svn :)

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GreyFoxx:

a couple of the game ones I've already added to mythgame

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r3m0t:

GreyFoxx: until they're released maybe you could just mark them as being in SVN?

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GreyFoxx:

but I don't remember how long ago it was, so I don't remember if it's in svn only or in 0.20 :)

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r3m0t:

PSU: yes, if that will get you out of mythtv (make sure you aren't recording anything ;))

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PSU:

r3m0t: ok, thru knoppmyth i restarted

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r3m0t:

rsdvd_: negotiations continue but it'll probably be a month or so before the current contract expires

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r3m0t:

rsdvd_: and btw it isn't all channels – just the "non-premium" channels

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r3m0t:

PSU: erm... I can't think of any – maybe shift about when X11 is starting

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PSU:

k

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rsdvd_:

yeah...but that is the only stuff woh having on sky...Sky one mainly

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PSU:

r3m0t: ok, shift didn't work but i have a menu now :)

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PSU:

i will exit mythtv

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r3m0t:

rsdvd_: totally agree, and I side with sky – they can charge whatever they damn want

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rsdvd_:

I don;t really care too much – I use satellite :-)

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r3m0t:

rsdvd_: FTA or sky?

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rsdvd_:

sky

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PSU:

r3m0t: now i'm at the knoppmyth screen with the penquin no the couch :)

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PSU:

heh, and no menu :/

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PSU:

r3m0t: okay, restarting again. i don't know of an easy way to get to a command line with the distro (knoppmyth) that i am using...is there any way that i can run mplayer or xine from this type of environment? as i mentioned earlier, everything works fine minus the sound for mythvideo

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r3m0t:

oh – is it one xvid file, all xvid files, or all video files?

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PSU:

right now i have one xvid file and the sound will not play

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PSU:

i tried a different one a week or two ago

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PSU:

with the same result

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PSU:

so it appears that it is a mythvideo problem

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r3m0t:

yes... perhaps

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r3m0t:

but I don't know anything about it

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PSU:

ok :)

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PSU:

are there any mythvideo experts around?

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PSU:

GreyFoxx: can you offer any advice ? :)

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juski:

$ky One, $ky two, $ky News have gone :)

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juski:

free from $ky at last :) And soon, Freeview will be too :D

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PSU:

crap can't get audio

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juski:

hahaha some bird on bbc news24 has said she doesn't care about losing the $ky channels – after all she can just download the shows with her broadband & bittorrent

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planktonboy:

just ordered that Hacking Mythtv book

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planktonboy:

hopefully will come in handy, and always good to have something interesting to read when away from my pc

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PSU:

anyone w/ a pvr350 alive?

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onewheelskyward:

Yo, 350 running here.

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onewheelskyward:

planktonboy: If you're reading about your PC while you're away from your PC, I don't think you actually got away. :)

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planktonboy:

haha

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PSU:

onewheelskyward: are you using mythvideo at all?

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onewheelskyward:

PSU: Nope, I'm strictly a TV/recordings viewer.

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PSU:

ok..rats :)

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onewheelskyward:

Oh I just saw your problem...Are you normally using the audio from the PVR to play recordings?

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planktonboy:

yeah..I never seem to escape from it...but then again what else is there to do...only time I don't have any pc related stuff around is at the local pub

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PSU:

onewheelskyward: yes, i do not use my sound card

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onewheelskyward:

Currently I run my frontend on my desktop, so I don't have a TV in the mix anymore.

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PSU:

without the sound card

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PSU:

i c

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PSU:

is there anyone that knows mythvideo pretty well? or another irc-channel, etc?

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onewheelskyward:

Can you plug the sound card into the TV? If so, couldn't you run all of myth's audio output through it?

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PSU:

let me see

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PSU:

i would probably need to buy a patch cord (audio cable)

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onewheelskyward:

Oh most likely. But they're like $5.

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PSU:

yeah i'd have to figure that out

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PSU:

but a good test

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PSU:

but my theory is that i have it working now

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PSU:

for tv

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PSU:

just not the mythvideo part, so theoretically it should work

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PSU:

if i can get it configured to work the other way :P

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onewheelskyward:

Exactly.

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onewheelskyward:

In lieu of an audio cable, you can test using headphones.

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PSU:

yup, trying that now

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PSU:

can i use this output to my mic jack on my laptop?

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onewheelskyward:

Yep. Just make double sure that your laptop's mic boost is _not_ on.

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PSU:

yeah that worked

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PSU:

i just used headphones

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PSU:

but i have sound

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onewheelskyward:

Sweet! In both video and TV?

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PSU:

well

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PSU:

now i will try TV

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PSU:

but i will likely have to disable the passthrough option

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PSU:

that is in mythtv

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PeregrineFalcon:

Anyone available to assist with a TV Out setup?

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Smirnov:

i have s-video out if that helps you any

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PeregrineFalcon:

I'm using svideo, and i looked at the Xorg.0.log file

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PeregrineFalcon:

and it is telling me there is no TV connected

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PeregrineFalcon:

I am using the Option "UseDisplayDevice" "TV" as described in the nvidia Readme

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Smirnov:

do you have a separate device and screen as needed?

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PeregrineFalcon:

yes

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PeregrineFalcon:

I have 2 device, monitor, and screen sections

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Smirnov:

hm

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PeregrineFalcon:

and in my server layout call out Screen 0 "Screen1" 00

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Smirnov:

i dont have OPtion "UseDisplayDevice" "TV" anywhere

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Smirnov:

i have Option "TVOutFormat" "SVIDEO"

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Smirnov:

and Option "TVStandard" "NTSC-M"

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Smirnov:

and Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV"

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Smirnov:

but nothing of what you said

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Smirnov:

(under screen section)

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PeregrineFalcon:

well I also have "TVStandard" "NTSC-M"

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PeregrineFalcon:

and "TVOutFormat" "SVIDEO" in my Screen1 section

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Smirnov:

ok try swapping the UseDisplayDevice for ConnectedMonitor

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Smirnov:

i also have an nvidia card btw and im using nvidia drivers

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PeregrineFalcon:

as am I

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PeregrineFalcon:

I'm using 9746, and I have also tried, "ConnectedMonitor" "TV", but then I get no display at all

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PeregrineFalcon:

mind if I post a few lines from my log?

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PeregrineFalcon:

(--) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on GeForce FX 5200 at PCI:1:0:0:

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PeregrineFalcon:

(--) NVIDIA(0): Samsung SyncMaster (CRT-0)

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PeregrineFalcon:

(--) NVIDIA(0): Samsung SyncMaster (CRT-0): 350.0 MHz maximum pixel clock

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PeregrineFalcon:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): Option "UseDisplayDevice" requested "TV", but no unused TVs

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PeregrineFalcon:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): are available.

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PeregrineFalcon:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Option "UseDisplayDevice" "TV" converted to "".

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PeregrineFalcon:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): Unable to find any of the requested display device "" in the

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PeregrineFalcon:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): list of available display devices "CRT-0".

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PeregrineFalcon:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Assigned Display Device: CRT-0

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Smirnov:

9746 ?

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PeregrineFalcon:

thats the nvidia driver im using

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fryfrog:

PeregrineFalcon: next time, use pastebin.ca and paste *one* line (the url)

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PeregrineFalcon:

sure thing

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PeregrineFalcon:

I'm just at a complete loss as to what this problem is

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PeregrineFalcon:

spent way too long trying to get it to work

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PeregrineFalcon:

Followed all the documentations instructions

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Smirnov:

weird, it doesnt see your display device at all?

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Smirnov:

did you configure the device section correctly

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PeregrineFalcon:

this is just very annoying

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PeregrineFalcon:

not even sure where else to look for a resolution

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planktonboy:

oh well time for some zz's, and day of searching for this simpsons playback problem I have....night all :))

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dj_segfaul2:

Hey. New to MythTV I'm having a problem where I tried to burn some recordings to DVD, but it locked up my server cold in the ffmpeg phase, after running for about two hours.

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dj_segfaul2:

After rebooting, now I want to burn something else, but it keeps going back to that session on the "Log" screen.

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toad0225:

anyone know if I can use more than one dvb-s card with mythtv?

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GreyFoxx:

You certainly can

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toad0225:

do you know if softcam is supported at all?

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GreyFoxx:

no it's not supported by the myth developers nor by this channel :)

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toad0225:

ugghh

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dj_segfaul2:

Is there a way to record FM output from my PVR-350 using MythTV?

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gleesond:

do you need to have a special capture card for comcast digital cable? I have it set to us-cable frequency but most of the channels are scrambled

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dj_segfaul2:

gleesond: I have comcast digital cable. You have to go through the cable box. You can't get it directly.

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dj_segfaul2:

And you have to use an IR blaster to change channels on the cable box.

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** gleesond googles IR blaster **

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dj_segfaul2:

A device that sends consumer IR controls from your computer, like an automated remote.

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dj_segfaul2:

Google lirc

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gleesond:

oh ok so was it hard to configure??

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gleesond:

yeah I saw lirc but I thought that was to control my hauppauge remote

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dj_segfaul2:

I already had a special IR blaster device, so I didn't use lirc. I used my own program.

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dj_segfaul2:

lirc does both directions.

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gleesond:

oh ok

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dj_segfaul2:

I just got my box working a week or two ago.

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** gleesond is sooo close now heh **

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gleesond:

dj_segfaul2: are you stoked on how hackable myth is?

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dj_segfaul2:

Before I got my MythTV set up, I used my own automation program with my IR device to control my cable box and two VCRs to record stuff on the VCRs. I had all my TV watching in my crontab file ;)

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dj_segfaul2:

I don't know the innards of MythTV yet to know how to hack it, but I'm very impressed with what it can do out of the box.

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dj_segfaul2:

I've had some problems along the way, but there's so many users, I generally find the answer online.

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dj_segfaul2:

(except my current problem) hehe

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dj_segfaul2:

So how is yours coming along?

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gleesond:

I have myth up and running with open box I have s-video to my TV working the remote is working now I just need to get the IR blaster... heh so my cable doesn;t look scrambled

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gleesond:

oh looks like the IR blaster is included with my capture card heh

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dj_segfaul2:

Which capture card?

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gleesond:

hauppage winTV-PVR 150

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dj_segfaul2:

It probably comes with an ir *receiver* not a transmitter

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gleesond:

no it comes with both

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dj_segfaul2:

Cool!

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gleesond:

yeah

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gleesond:

thats why I was shocked

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gleesond:

does tinfoil act as good sheilding? the cable has been interfering with my sound system because the cable guy did a crapy install

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gleesond:

nevermind I giggled the cable and the interference stoped

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gleesond:

DOH

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gleesond:

yeah I am

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reldruh:

are there any drawbacks to using an external hard drive with a mythtv system?

[04:15:15]

reldruh:

are there any drawbacks to using an external hard drive with a mythtv system?

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xris:

reldruh: testing the echo?

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reldruh:

somebody new joined the channel. i repeated my question :-)

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xris:

only issue with external drives is that depending on your udev/whatever setup it may change mount locations.

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reldruh:

hmmm

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xris:

reldruh: fyi, someone new joining a channel with 180+ people isn't an uncommon thing, and repeating a question within a couple of minutes of asking is considered rude, anyway.

[04:22:04]

reldruh:

is it common for there to be 180 people in a channel with nobody saying anything?

[04:22:34]

reldruh:

it sounds like an internal drive is the way to go; I'm somewhat loath to open up my computer and put it in, though. Hardware is not my specialty and it's an old computer anyway...

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kormoc:

reldruh, yes, it's common

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kormoc:

reldruh, and people drop back in randomly and will see it

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reldruh:

all right, that's fair. It's just frustrating sometimes to see so many people. It gets my hopes up :-)

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Captain_Murdoch:

most are lurkers

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reldruh:

is the mythtv site down?

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reldruh:

I can't seem to get any pages to display

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kormoc:

it's having some small issues, but the people who need to know are (attempted to at last) being contacted bout it

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reldruh:

ah, I see

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reldruh:

then, do you know how much space an hour of standard (not HD) tv would take up? I'm trying to decide what size hard drive to get

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kormoc:

depends on the bitrate, but tend to be around 1.4 gigs a hour

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ctjctj:

reldruh, my pvrusb2 takes around 2.8gb per hour for SD.

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reldruh:

_wow_

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reldruh:

so I could hold about 4 or 5 hours right now :-)

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ctjctj:

You can also automatically transcode what you have recorded to a lower bitrate.

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reldruh:

that's probably what I'll end up doing. I have a decent backend computer that I'm putting almost no strain on

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reldruh:

and the card I got has a hardware mpeg-2 encoder which should help with the process, right?

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LLyric:

for transcoding? nah, won't help.

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** LLyric kicks his mythtv box in the nads some more **

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kormoc:

reldruh, the hardware mpeg-2 helps with recording quite a lot, but not anything beyond that

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reldruh:

kormoc: none of the transcoding is done on the card?

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kormoc:

reldruh, nah, the transcoding he's refering to is done after it's recorded. it's a second compression pass on the file

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reldruh:

kormoc: mmm... I see. Well, I've got a P4 2.4GHz with 384 megs of ram. It shouldn't be a problem, should it?

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** adante winces at the ramspec **

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kormoc:

nah, you can transcode in the background and what not

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kormoc:

the ram is a tad light, but not too bad

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kormoc:

my mythbox was a 2.13 ghz celeron-d with 256 megs of ram

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adante:

jeesh

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reldruh:

adante: ?

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adante:

my system still occasionally goes cactus with 1 gig

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adante:

admittedly it also runs azureus and vnc on it..

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adante:

they can be, although in my experience having a beefy system gives a nice margin for unexpected issues (sound jitter, transcoding etc)

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reldruh:

the mythtv site is back up!

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sinthetek:

i accidentally messed up the wrong settings with my new install and i'm trying to find where i can modify the settings from the prompt or something

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sinthetek:

i was trying to make it go into full screen when viewing a channel or movie but have a window for configuration dialogues and such

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sinthetek:

hrm... actually, i forgot about ctrl+alt++/-... that might work i guess

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sinthetek:

...or not

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sinthetek:

i've tried -w and -geometry but neither seem to be working

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sinthetek:

i'm not seeing anything that appears relevant in my ~/.mythtv or in /home/mythtv/

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sinthetek:

i guess they are stored in the mysql db, huh?

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high-rez:

Hi, when I try to watch live tv i just get a blakn screen and then it goes back to the main menu. I'm seeing this from mythbackend: VIDIOCGMBUF:: Invalid argument --- any ideas?

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sinthetek:

dunno what i was thinking. i meant to set the window size, not the desktop resolution

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adante:

sinthetek: not exactly sure what your problem is, but if you need some `defaults' from the mysql db i would be happy to help

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sinthetek:

there we go

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sinthetek:

nah, i fixed it now i think

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sinthetek:

i checked 'separate video modes for gui and playback' and then didn't bother touching the settings it unlocked, hehe

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sinthetek:

i ended up with a 320x210 desktop on my 1280x1024 screen and couldn't reach the settings, hehe

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sinthetek:

(or see the -r option to reset the display settings at first when i tried to use -h :P)

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high-rez:

Every time i try to start mythtv my machine freezes :(

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high-rez:

rather as soon as i say watch live tv

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high-rez:

Any words of wisdom? :)

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adante:

does tv work outside of myth?

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t0ny-p40:

wtf... I got another host called master...

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orko_:

is it possible to cut a recording in pieces?

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rsdvd:

you need a good pair of scissors!

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orko_:

doesn't mythtv have one?

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orko_:

rsdvd: what a bummer,-(

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rsdvd:

you can do it in external scripts and then just add a link to the menus. What are you trying to do?

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gardengnome:

he's gone.

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rsdvd:

nice – goodbye to you to!

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gardengnome:

heh

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rsdvd:

I wonder why we bother sometimes

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rsdvd:

anyway – hello gardengnome!

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gardengnome:

hi rsdvd :)

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : how is life with you?

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juski:

hmmm

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rsdvd:

why?

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juski:

3 letters

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juski:

C

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juski:

E

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juski:

O

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rsdvd:

lol.....what has he got you building now

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** daviey dives for cover **

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juski:

we need a bunch of stuff to make sata hdd caddies in production within 2 weeks

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rsdvd:

you seem to have been at these sata caddies for ages

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juski:

no they were pata ones

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rsdvd:

:-)

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juski:

and these are ones we're to do ourselves, not bought in

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rsdvd:

for a CCTV compnay you spend more time on drives than cameras

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juski:

we make dvrs not cameras

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rsdvd:

ok....that explains it :-)

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** juski wonders when ectospasm is gonna stop spasming **

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rsdvd:

lol

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orko_:

hi. is the internal player self developed or something like a mplayer fork?

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juski:

self-developed

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orko_:

is it as good as mplayer/xine?

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orko_:

can y use mplayer for replaying recorded tv shows?

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GreyFoxx:

No

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GreyFoxx:

At leat not vi the watch recordings menu

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GreyFoxx:

you can certainly point mythvideo at the recordings directory and configure it to use mplayer

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GreyFoxx:

though if you use myth's internal transcoding, or Are recording from a bttv card I don't know if mplayer will play the myth .nuv recordings

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orko_:

whats the reason mthtv uses its own file format?

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juski:

ignore orko

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rsdvd:

it isn't it's own fomat – it is nupplevideo

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GreyFoxx:

a slightly customized nupplevideo container instead of the crappy avi container

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GreyFoxx:

and it's only used by people transcoding or using the bttv framegrabbers

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GreyFoxx:

anyone using a HDTV, dvb, pvr cards etc are all mpg unless transcoded

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orko_:

juski: ???

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orko_:

GreyFoxx: I am using a pvr350. So my files are stored in mpeg2 directly not using NUV ?

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GreyFoxx:

corrent, unless you have them set to autotranscode

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GreyFoxx:

if you are not transcoding, then they will just be the mpeg2 that came off the card

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orko_:

Another question: all my record profiles have a default rsolution of 400x400. IMHO a PAL/NTSC resolution should be better to record livettv. isn't it?

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qu0zl:

orko_, it is, so change you're resolutions to the native resolution for your tv standard

[12:00:51]

qu0zl:

i use 720x576 for pal

[12:00:57]

qu0zl:

your even, not you're :(

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orko_:

and what is better rtjpef,mpeg-ts or mpeg-ps

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qu0zl:

you've a pvr right? It'll output the recordings in its native format, which i guess is mpeg-ps, i've never checked

[12:03:41]

orko_:

i use a pvr350 if you mean this.

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qu0zl:

yep

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orko_:

So i i change settings there than the stream from the card is converted before saved on disk, which means more cpu, right?

[12:04:56]

qu0zl:

i don't think it'll be changed before saving to disk. You can set it to be transcoded automatically after being saved to disk

[12:05:08]

qu0zl:

the whole point of the pvrxxx is that it dumps it to disk without using your cpu

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qu0zl:

just leave it in its native format, if you transcode it you'll lose quality and it's only 2.2gigs or so an hour anyway

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orko_:

thats because i bought it,-)

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juski:

and if you need to transcode purely to save space consider buying a bigger disk, you skinflint :)

[12:06:20]

orko_:

i wanted to transcode it to mpeg4 after recording to save space.

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orko_:

juski: most stuff i will not watch often, so deleting, archiving or compressing is my choice.

[12:08:04]

orko_:

to make it clear to me: The livetv recording profile is only used if i switch on automatic transcoding ?

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qu0zl:

i bought 4x400 gig harddrives. I'll be making a 1.2TB raid5 array this weekend :) No transcoding for me

[12:08:21]

qu0zl:

livetv profile is used when you watch live tv

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qu0zl:

you assosiate a profile with a recording rule when you schedule a recording

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orko_:

ok. i understand. is it possible to have some defautl settings for recodings, like record 5minutes earlier?

[12:10:10]

qu0zl:

yes, as described in the excellant documentation :)

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orko_:

ok. i will pass throught it again.

[12:10:42]

qu0zl:

worth reading a few times or you'll miss some nifty feature you didn't know about ;)

[12:10:59]

orko_:

it weired sometimes for people like me that don't know much about codec and transcoing etcetc.

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qu0zl:

that and the little how-tos on the wiki

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orko_:

ok, thanks for help everyone.

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orko_:

cu

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juski:

OMG! you mean there's information in the documentation?!?!?!?!?!

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juski:

;)

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qu0zl:

well, it's mostly lies i put in to mislead noobies :)

[12:13:54]

juski:

anyone see the childish stuff Virgin Media did when the $ky channels went off air last night?

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qu0zl:

nope?

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juski:

re-named $ky New$ to Sky Snooze

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juski:

also renamed other channels on the EPG but I can't remember how it went. seemed peurile to me

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qu0zl:

lol, nobs

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juski:

so far I think $ky have been the bad guy acting unprofessinally but the latest thing has changed my opinion

[12:16:31]

juski:

they're both as bad as each other

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quicksilver:

heh

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quicksilver:

that's quite funny though?

[12:17:39]

quicksilver:

childish and peurile, certainly

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quicksilver:

but funny :)

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rsdvd:

juski – it is all a childish spat between Branson and Murdoch over the failed ITV buyout

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juski:

who'd want to buy the prole channel anyway? ;)

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rsdvd:

lol......ITV = prole channel ?

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juski:

I don't see any other channel being eligible :)

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rsdvd:

I was unaware we had proletariat in the UK ? is that not the teretory of socialist states

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juski:

this is the kind of spat that makes me wary of new tehcs like iptv

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rsdvd:

true – but IPTV is likely to be availabe from more places than the monopoly that VM and Sky have

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rsdvd:

it will be much cheaper to set up a new IPTV offering than a complete satellite or cable network

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juski:

ok maybe not proleteriat but definitely phillistines ;)

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rsdvd:

LOL – ok ! I will give you that

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juski:

wondering what to do at the mo – we're in agreement at home about axing our cable, but not sure what to do. none of the options involve mythtv btw – it just can't do livetv well enough IMHO

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juski:

maybe get a freeview box & just keep cable for broadband & phone

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gardengnome:

cable for phone? isn't that VOIP?

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juski:

nah

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juski:

sad innit? I'm such an advocate of mythtv yet I still can't bear livetv. personally I don't care about it being lame cos I never use it but my wife would

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GreyFoxx:

we really next use it here. Only time we watch anything live is when a big "livetv sucks" thread is going on and I test it on mine

[12:31:47]

GreyFoxx:

I don't know what magic combo of hardware/setup I have but it's fast and stable when I do try it

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juski:

AFAIK the reason it's so crap on my system is the tuners I use

[12:33:26]

GreyFoxx:

ahhhh

[12:33:32]

juski:

the age-old cyclic argument that tzap/xine/kaffeine manage to get a lock in 1/5 of the time though

[12:34:06]

juski:

but the drivers /API has a limitation, or something like that

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** gardengnome buffers some mpeg streams **

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Still, if those apps can lock using the same drivers/hardware in that much shorter a time, we should be able to get much closer

[12:35:34]

GreyFoxx:

I saw several changes, albeit to TRUNK a whle back that sped it up for dvb usersa while back

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juski:

we might give it a dry run at home & see how it goes

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GreyFoxx:

If I realign my dish then I can test the dvb stuff again

[12:36:40]

GreyFoxx:

mine has been pointing at the ground since I had my roof redone :)

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juski:

heheh

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juski:

I'd always have expected mythtv to take the time it takes to get a lock, plus a little for the bufferring, but before 0.20 it was ridiculous

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juski:

whoops – that'd be a tad impractical for satellite users, I grant you :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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** quicksilver nods **

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quicksilver:

or it could somehow notice or guess your favourite muxes

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quicksilver:

and keep two of your tuners tuned in to those muxes if they don't have anything better to do

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MonkeyINAbaG:

my isp has goatse as its logo

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MonkeyINAbaG:

www.westnet.com.au

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juski:

goatse – the sign of emotional maturity

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juski:

hrm. not had any hits from the wiki for ages. I guess nobody is using it to find themes anymore

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rsdvd:

everyone knows you directly now – they just go to your website

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antiPosix:

this is being output on a TV

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antiPosix:

I have another frontend that has the same display issue, so I think it has to do with the IVTV driver

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juski:

always have to deinterlace

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antiPosix:

and perhaps my SiS chipset

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antiPosix:

deinterlace on TV too?

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juski:

more than likely your crappy SiS chipset

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juski:

yes you need to deinterlace, even when outputting to TV

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fryfrog:

unless you have your video mode set to an interlaced one?

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fryfrog:

which you probably don't

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antiPosix:

video mode in X or Mythtv?

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fryfrog:

X

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antiPosix:

its NTSC if that makes a difference

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fryfrog:

at least, i think

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fryfrog:

and also i think most video cards use a seperate chip for their tv out, if its via svideo / rca

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fryfrog:

so you probably can't really run an interlaced mode?

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juski:

unless the T Vencoder on the VGA card has a clever flicker filter, or you use a proper interlaced modeline... you will need to deinterlace

[13:29:55]

fryfrog:

unless you are sending to the tv via vga or dvi?

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antiPosix:

to the TV via SVideo?

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juski:

YES

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antiPosix:

I appologize for not knowing much

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antiPosix:

both NVidia graphics cards are cheepo GeForce MX 4000

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juski:

VGA cards primarily deal in progressive display modes for progressive displays

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antiPosix:

one is Chaintech and the other MSI(I like to save $$$) ;)

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juski:

even on TV outputs – although the actual TV output will be interlaced, what it's being fed with is NOT

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antiPosix:

I'll turn on deinterlace in MythTV when I get home, thanks for that tidbit, I'll see if it helps

[13:32:20]

antiPosix:

the Video is still completely noticable, my wife doesnt seem to have noticed, or be bothered by it, but I'm a perfectionist

[13:32:38]

antiPosix:

the Video is still completely *watchable*, my wife doesnt seem to have noticed, or be bothered by it, but I'm a perfectionist

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juski:

the flicker filter on some nvidia cards is very good – I was shocked once to find I didn't need to deinterlace using the TV output

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Xteven:

hi, does anyone use DVB-s with mythtv ? and if so, with what card ? CI ? dual tuner ?

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juski:

use nvidia-settings to play with the flicker filter

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psyco-obiwan:

has anybody an idea on how about best implementing fm-radio listening on myth-frontends ? I know its not a current feature, but I can imagine setting up a shoutcast server streaming from an FM-card and the client listening my media/music to the stream

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juski:

ignore psyco-obiwan

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juski:

arghh! damn lazy slash key

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psyco-obiwan:

what is so ignorable about this question ?

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rsdvd:

he just is not interested in it – so instructed his client to ignore the conversation......jsut missed the / key

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psyco-obiwan:

oh..ok, misunderstood ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

Nothing in there to do that at the moment

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defaultro:

ok, are there other solutions?

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psyco-obiwan:

defaultro: there are numerous plugins that stream, for vlc and flash IIRC

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GreyFoxx:

There is mythstreamtv, but I don't know if it will apply to mythweb these days or not

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

i mean, even not via mythweb, as long as I will be able to watch

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GreyFoxx:

defaultro: I personally just use vlc to start a stream and vlc to watch on the other end

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psyco-obiwan:

my backend is a tuned knoppmyth, and while i didn't bother to check it out, other say it works...

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defaultro:

GreyFox, it won't work for me since in the office, we are behind a webbased proxy server

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psyco-obiwan:

tunnel it ;-)

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defaultro:

nope

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GreyFoxx:

well, vlc itself has a webcontrol interface which also allows you to add videos via the web interface

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defaultro:

i didn't work for me too

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psyco-obiwan:

and duck if the security officer comes to see you ;-)

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defaultro:

oh

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GreyFoxx:

I don't use the web interface, but it is there

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defaultro:

no one did

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defaultro:

i tried it 3 times only but i stopped

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defaultro:

:P

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juski:

rsdvd: my new policy

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defaultro:

i know what will happen

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fryfrog:

humm, suddenly my zap2it isn't giving me hardly any listings

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juski:

keeping the blood pressure down :)

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fryfrog:

wtf, it seems to have deleted one of my listings???

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Xteven:

noone using dvb-s ?

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rsdvd:

juski : good idea :-)

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rsdvd:

speaking of good ideas : did you look at that scart problem ;-)

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juski:

no I didnt get a chance

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juski:

went to the flicks last night

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rsdvd:

anythign interesting?

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juski:

Hot Fuzz

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rsdvd:

any good?

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antiPosix:

an attractive female police officer? nice!

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juski:

from the makers of Shaun Of The Dead – was v. good

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rsdvd:

antiPosix : hardly

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juski:

s/whould/should

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fryfrog:

weird, zap2it just removed one of my line ups :/

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fryfrog:

1.5TB ftw :)

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quicksilver:

woot

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Xteven:

anyone in here using dvb-s yet ? :)

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antiPosix:

juski you present?

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NHIwerx:

Xteven: is that somthing new ?

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antiPosix:

I always got protocol version errors 30 to 31

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harzi:

antiPosix: if you want to use coresystem, you may try with debootstrap and chroot

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fryfrog:

sounds like you are using a newer client with an older be or visa versa

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harzi:

i had this probelm with backend on etch and frontend sarge

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Xteven:

NHIwerx : dvb using satellite dish

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quicksilver:

Argh! I clicked on my mythtv-users mailing list. What a mistake :( 4500 messages to download

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baxter_kylie:

fryfrog: Hmm. Thanks. I'll think about it. MBE and MythWeb are Debian Etch boxes and I was planning on my SBE/FE to be gentoo. I might just mask the other version of myth in portage to keep in sync with debian.

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fryfrog:

baxter_kylie: the problem is, gentoo tends to apply small patches and fixes to stuff

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fryfrog:

baxter_kylie: so while you *might* end up using the same protocol, you may not

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fryfrog:

and when gentoo marks the next version stable, debian will probably be months behind :/

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fryfrog:

you'd probably be much happier using one distro *or* compiling yourself from one common set of source

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psyco-obiwan:

I am playing audio streams from internet with mplayer -playlist in mythvideo which works perfect, however i can't control that mplayer in any way it seems it loses focus or whatever and i can't get it to take it back from mythtv since i use no window manager...anybody an idea ? TIA!

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baxter_kylie:

fryfrog: True but like I said, I could mask >= versions and I use the various distros based on need and ability to administrate. They'll all be gentoo if gentoo had a security model not centered around version upgrades where I could set it and forget it. I'm just not a particularly huge fan of breaking software management schemes (especially portage).

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baxter_kylie:

fryfrog: still thanks for the ideas. I'll need to ruminate on this more.... might go digging through the gentoo patches this weekend and see what they're doing exactly.

[15:56:53]

fryfrog:

baxter_kylie: what about glsa updates on gentoo?

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fryfrog:

it only catches security related stuff

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fryfrog:

and i agree with ya, i got tired of all the upgrades that created small jobs to fix :/

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psofa:

baxter_kylie, portage lately has been doing better

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fryfrog:

i'm ready to go back to gentoo :)

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psofa:

but generaly the rule is to emerge -avuD world every week

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fryfrog:

i've just had to do a few things on ubuntu that either would have been dead simple on gentoo or i wouldn't have even needed to do :(

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psofa:

if you leave the system for like 6 months and then try to upgrade you will certainly face breakage

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baxter_kylie:

fryfrog: *nods* Well one way or another I've learned more about 'nix after building a major mediacentre and a newish laptop on it than I learned in the last 6 years of debian and red hat. I actually sorta love gentoo but it's impossible to manage on more than two machines and still have a life.

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baxter_kylie:

psofa: Utterly. Yes.

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fryfrog:

gentoo is one of those love/hate distros :)

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antiPosix:

you mean those ricer bastards

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fryfrog:

i love it, but damn sometimes i'm like "DAMN YOU GENTOO, YOU FINALLY DID IT YOU BLEW UP THE WORLD!!!"

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psofa:

though its almost impossible to break it without return

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baxter_kylie:

fryfrog: Haha. Yes.

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psofa:

most times its X and friends that fuck up

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baxter_kylie:

psofa: Lately it's been dbus / udev / hotplug — udev just dropped hotplug dependency altogether and the rules aren't resolving well.

[16:04:10]

baxter_kylie:

psofa: The x86 emulation libs also did some funny business a couple months back but they seem to be okay now.

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psofa:

havent run on this as ive almost zero modules, everything is built in kernel :)

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fryfrog:

yuck, why would you build everything into the kernel!

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psofa:

its l33t :P

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fryfrog:

it must be leet to have to reboot for every little thing you add/remove from the kernel :p

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fryfrog:

oops, i need support for this new tv card... REBOOT! :p

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psofa:

fryfrog, thats why i built modules only when adding new hardware

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psofa:

and at the next kernel rebuild i add them to kernel :)

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fryfrog:

sneaky bastard you are!

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psofa:

:P

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fryfrog:

well, i have to say that is weird :)

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antiPosix:

creepy too

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fryfrog:

with kernel module auto-loading, there isn't really any reason *not* to make them modules

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fryfrog:

it is nice to be able to reset a device by removing and re-inserting its module

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psofa:

fryfrog, i have a big child trauma with kernel module autoloading

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psofa:

back in redhat days

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psofa:

i had a bad module

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psofa:

and i was fucking trying to find wtf loads it :P

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antiPosix:

dude, relax on the language

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antiPosix:

my 3 year old is reading this as well

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fryfrog:

ahahahahhaha

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juski:

antiPosix: yes I'm present. but wtf are you asking me for? not as if I'm the only one here

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psofa:

i remember searching through the messy redhat init scripts

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psofa:

lol

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antiPosix:

juski: just wanted to say I went home and changed it to deinterlace and that was exactly what it needed

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antiPosix:

kernel modules in rehat are usually in initrd, especially if they have to do with drivers to access the hard disks

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antiPosix:

I think lvm2 is in the initial ramdisk as well

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baxter_kylie:

I tend to put almost everything in kernel as well but that's because I often times keep several versions of the same kernel built for testing purposes and it can get confused at times.

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quicksilver:

I believe that debian puts *all* the modules in the initrd

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quicksilver:

certainly in the past I've confused it by not realising this, and failing to rebuild the initrd after compiling new modules

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juski:

antiPosix: heheh okay :)

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fryfrog:

score :)

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quicksilver:

those numbers don't appear to add up?

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antiPosix:

somethings not right

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fryfrog:

quicksilver: well, the array isn't just for myth

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quicksilver:

ah

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quicksilver:

gotcha

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fryfrog:

i think that the web interface used to actually just show the "used" space and "free"

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fryfrog:

now, i think it shows "used by myth" and "free" (and total duh)

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fryfrog:

or maybe i'm wrong? wouldn't be the first time

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kslater:

the 'using' number includes everything in the directory, whether or not it's a recorded show

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kslater:

does anyone have a link to someplace that shows the query the scheduler uses to compute the shows to be recorded?

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kslater:

I'm showing 3 tapings of the same show in the same timeslot on my 2 tuner system – obviously not possible.

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kslater:

seeing this in mythweb

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juski:

the query is pretty long

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kslater:

it's on the wiki? or only in the source?

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fryfrog:

kslater: you mean everything in the ./recordings/ dir?

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kslater:

fryfrog : and directories below I think

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fryfrog:

ah

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Ediehow:

hi friends

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Ediehow:

i must have the raw info for one of my remote's buttons wrong

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Ediehow:

name Fullscreen

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Ediehow:

in lircd.conf

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Ediehow:

how do i get the raw codes for it?

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Ediehow:

or maybe just the config is wrong? i dunno

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Ediehow:

button = Fullscreen

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Ediehow:

that'

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Ediehow:

is what i have in .lircrc

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juski:

sudo fdisk /dev/sda

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juski:

arse!

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juski:

rsdvd: that tarball I downloaded from you is corrupt :(

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Ediehow:

juski: do you know how to determine raw code for a button through lirc?

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Ediehow:

ok, why doesn't button = Space do anything in .lircrc for mythtv?

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Ediehow:

is it Spacebar?

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fryfrog:

man, my server is really loving its new dual xeons!

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kormoc:

fryfrog, no it's not... but mine would ;)

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fryfrog:

ahaha

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fryfrog:

i have a pair of spare cpus, but no extra mb :)

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fryfrog:

they are just old 2.4ghz 400mhz bus ones

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fryfrog:

but 2 is better than a single 3000+ (at least, as long as i don't want to do hd playback)

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Widget:

'lo

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fryfrog:

what is unneccessary?

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doc|home:

I have no idea, old programme information?

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fryfrog:

it does purge that crap

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fryfrog:

it keeps details of what it has *recorded* in the past though

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doc|home:

I haven't looked closely at it but it filled up my datadir disk yesterday

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doc|home:

yeah, I deleted that

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fryfrog:

it has to, otherwise how would it know to not record it again?

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kormoc:

doc|home, sure you don't have bin logging enabled?

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doc|home:

kormoc: how do I check?

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fryfrog:

doc|home: edit your my.cnf and look for "bin"

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fryfrog:

doc|home: your mythdb should be 100–200mb prolly

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fryfrog:

if its *GIGS* you have bin logging on

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fryfrog:

and it would be mildly retarded to *delete* the tables of information on previously recorded shows

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fryfrog:

cause then it'll just record them again

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fryfrog:

yeah

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doc|home:

excellent, it has been very slow

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kormoc:

doc|home, yes, if it's there and uncommended it's on

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doc|home:

fryfrog: thans

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doc|home:

hmmm, that's not it. That's on a different disk. Will run the optimise script and see if that helps

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fryfrog:

doc|home: how big is your myth db?

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doc|home:

one sec

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fryfrog:

mine is only 75mb right now

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fryfrog:

though i just ran optimize, dunno what it was before

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doc|home:

hmmm, only about 30m

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doc|home:

although I did delete a lot from it yesterday

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juski:

hrm these 'gradual file deletes' are sure slow

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Beirdo:

gah, I think I hurt my brain

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Beirdo:

this MUD's old file-based storage for player files is painful as fcuk

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Beirdo:

just converted the players' objects to use the SQL... that took most of the day

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juski:

but.. but.. someone here once whined that databases suck compared to flat files ;)

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Beirdo:

hahah

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Beirdo:

you haven't seen the shittiness that is parsing flat files

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kslater:

Beirdo – do you manage the channel bot? I'd sure like to have a copy of the fish slapping command for our bot at work..

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juski:

I've seen the perl scripts I've written

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Beirdo:

databases are designed to store data that's easily accessible :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

yes, I wrote it :)

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Beirdo:

http://trac.beirdo.ca/projects/beirdobot/

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juski:

bah I don't have an initrd for this kernel handy

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kslater:

coolness – thanks.

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Beirdo:

not a problem

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Beirdo:

it might be a bit tricky to navigate the code. the trouting is in a plugin

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juski:

rsdvd: you around?

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kslater:

help trout

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Beirdo:

!help trout

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juski:

oh bollocks. trying to etherboot & I dunno the MAC ID of the controller :(

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Anduin:

juski: Should be in the log (isc dhcp)

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juski:

that's what I thought but it'd not

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Beirdo:

nothing a tcpdump couldn't fix

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Beirdo:

(on the host machine)

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juski:

starting to think the etherboot image I catted to a usb stick was bad

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juski:

I'll get the box's mac id using a livecd in the meantime

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Beirdo:

oh goodie... I have an interview tomorrow

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Beirdo:

my workless streak may come to a crashing halt (and about time)

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kormoc:

sweet :)

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Beirdo:

10 months unemployed is sucky after a while ;)

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Beirdo:

had permanent residence for all of a week :)

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juski:

I went a bit mad after 6 months being unemployed

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juski:

was almost unemployable

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Beirdo:

well, I started going back to my many coding projects whenever I could find time

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Beirdo:

and a puppy keeps ya kinda busy too

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juski:

I just fscked about with my atari ST

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juski:

good luck tomorrow :)

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Beirdo:

she's graduated to the "sleep beside daddy on the couch" mode these days

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Beirdo:

thanks :) it should go well, I think

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Beirdo:

unix admin stuff

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juski:

this mac looks made up: 00:02:ff:00:aa:ba

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

change it to 00:02:DE:AD:BE:EF

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juski:

oh ffs I already have it in my dhcp server

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Beirdo:

oops

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juski:

:)

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juski:

ach well

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juski:

so the etherboot image was bad

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Beirdo:

OK, called the guy to get him my cellphone number. heh

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Beirdo:

tonight will be "use Word on the wife's computer to update the resume" night

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Beirdo:

blech

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juski:

hrm this etherboot thingy is doing nought but print a bunch of lines of text repeatedly

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Beirdo:

that don't sound too good

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juski:

quite

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Beirdo:

keep->parentObj[keep->i]->index->number--;

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Beirdo:

OY

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Beirdo:

enough levels of redirection for ya?

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