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Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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blackest:

gbee i think its about 40 meg not in use atm

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blackest:

there is slimserver for my audio and zoneminder for cctv going on the same box and an additional tuner

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blackest:

i was thinking either another 512 or 1gig

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gbee:

I've got 1Gb in one backend, 512Mb in another combined frontend/backend

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gnome42:

blackest: only if you are not happy with the performance? If it works, and is fast enough for ya ... :)

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gbee:

I didn't deliberately set out to put 1Gb in the first backend, it just happened to be an old desktop machine

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** gnome42 has a tottally overloaded 512mb backend/frontend box :) **

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gnome42:

i have a software encoder in there too

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** gnome42 enjoys overloading it though :) **

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gbee:

have to get you money's worth out of it

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Milosch:

i don't enjoy the occaisional disk hogging

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Milosch:

need to go raid someday when i can afford more disk

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blackest:

well it is working but i am not stressing it yet

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blackest:

i might have 512 i can borrow to see how it goes

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fryfrog:

kslater: i think there are some "zoom" options in menu, while playing press M for menu and poke around

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kslater:

will do, was just curious, will have a chance in a few minutes

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kslater:

thing is I figured that functionality would produce a grainy result, not a smoothly scaled one

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daMaestro:

how do i remove the http://mythtv/video link?

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daMaestro:

Could not find a value in the database for the MythVideo directory for this hostname (). is what i get.

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daMaestro:

hmmm.. so, my channels.. are.. *very* screwed up

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daMaestro:

do i need to just start mythsetup and clear all the channels and then run mythfilldatabase again?

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clop:

hi, mythtv suddenly stopped recording sound fo rme today, the backend log has all these messages about NVP: Disabling Audio... any idea how to figure out what is wrong?

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xris:

daMaestro: hun? is that a mythweb link?

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xris:

clop: reboot?

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xris:

wow, obedient. lol

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hadees:

i keep getting "Error: Write() — IOBOUND end", I have dma on every disk, It seems to happen when I start recording 3 shows at once. Is there anything I can do to fix this?

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daMaestro:

xris, yes

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xris:

daMaestro: so what are you trying to do? the video stuff has nothing to do with tv

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daMaestro:

i'd just like to get rid of that link

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xris:

what link?

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xris:

you talking about the one at the top of the screen in mythweb?

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tanq:

what is a good middle of the road HD tuner card?

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tanq:

i bought the hauppauge HVR-1600 recently and found that it isn't supported.

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daMaestro:

xris, yes

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xris:

daMaestro: do you use mythvideo?

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daMaestro:

xris, via?

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daMaestro:

xris, not via the web interface

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xris:

daMaestro: simple question. mythweb != mythvideo

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xris:

if you use mythvideo, you get the video interface in mythweb.

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xris:

if you want it gone completely, you'd have to hack the code

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daMaestro:

ok.. it is not a big deal

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xris:

I'm just wondering why you don't want it there.

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daMaestro:

well it serves no purpose to the UI

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xris:

huh?

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xris:

you click it, you get the mythweb video interface (which admittedly sucks in .20, but still works)

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daMaestro:

no

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daMaestro:

Could not find a value in the database for the MythVideo directory for this hostname (). is what i get.

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dj_segfault:

daMaestro: Sounds like you don't have the hostname set up correctly in mythtv-setup, or you changed it after some other related records were inserted

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dj_segfault:

daMaestro: Is this on a frontend system that's separate from your backend system?

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daMaestro:

yes

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dj_segfault:

Run this query "select hostname from settings group by hostname;" to see what hostnames you have settings for in your database

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daMaestro:

something is b0rked.. i need to go see what is up with the tuner card

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EnterUserName:

hey all

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EnterUserName:

is it worth installing 0.10 ivtv driver?

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Led-Hed:

If I move an existing RAID array created with mdadm to another computer and do mdadm --create will it destroy the data on the drives? If so how do I reconstruct the array without destroying it?

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xris:

Led-Hed: /etc/mdadm.conf

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xris:

hmm, although fedora tends to just create it at boot automatically.. auto-detects raids, etc.

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Led-Hed:

xris: I'm on ubuntu. I moved the array to another computer and booted from a Ubuntu live cd, and am now trying to mount the array

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EnterUserName:

Is anyone using ivtv 0.10?

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dj_segfault:

I'm using ivtv-0.10.0–125.fc6.at

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xris:

Led-Hed: have not had good luck with ubuntu autodetecting raid info.

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xris:

I think mdadm.conf is the right file, though

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Led-Hed:

xris: thanks

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xris:

the uuid is encoded on the drive itself, and mdadm should find it that way.

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EnterUserName:

hmm

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EnterUserName:

why is it masked red on gentoo

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xris:

EnterUserName: the more appropriate question is... does ivtv 0.10 provide any new functionality that your current drivers don't, and if not, is your current system stable?

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EnterUserName:

Xris: yes thats exactly what i meant :) If ivtv would be stable on my system.. i was having difficulties with SVIDEO and my cable and sound

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EnterUserName:

being static

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EnterUserName:

with older versions havent seen it appear with 0.9.1

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EnterUserName:

so maybe its fixed :S

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EnterUserName:

on there site it just says "too much changes to be talked about :)

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EnterUserName:

and i was wondering if svideo was fixed in 0.10

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xris:

EnterUserName: it'd be in the commit logs

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EnterUserName:

I had a feeling you'd say that

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xris:

sorry, I don't pay much attention to ivtv anymore

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dj_segfault:

You should welcome RTFM answers when they point you at the correct FM to R,

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EnterUserName:

dj: yup :)

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xris:

I installed 0.3.2u and it was stable for me.. and switch away from ivtv cards before it went much higher than .5

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EnterUserName:

0.3.2?

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EnterUserName:

What are you using? What PVR?

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xris:

dj_segfault: well, commit logs are not usually easy/fun to read

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xris:

EnterUserName: pvr-150

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EnterUserName:

what kernel?

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xris:

no clue

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xris:

was a long time ago

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EnterUserName:

ahh tahts why

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EnterUserName:

thats why IM FORCED to upgrade

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EnterUserName:

:)

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xris:

almost a year ago

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EnterUserName:

darn kernels :)

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dj_segfault:

xris: What specific thing are you hoping is fixed? I missed that.

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xris:

no reason to upgrade your kernel, either.

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xris:

dj_segfault: not me

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** xris uses firewire **

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dj_segfault:

Sorry, I meant EnterUserName

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EnterUserName:

Oh the other thing is.. i used my Desktop for my m ythtv box

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EnterUserName:

Umm. I had problems with RCA audio being static sometimes when i played it in mythtv

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EnterUserName:

and sometimes it was ffine

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EnterUserName:

when i exit out and came back in

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EnterUserName:

i used Svideo/RCA :)

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EnterUserName:

I really should learn what xris says... never upgrade..

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EnterUserName:

why am i always.. enticed :)

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xris:

EnterUserName: good sysamin practice. never upgrade a stable system unless you have to.

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** EnterUserName nods. I understand that. Do you use the same logic with your desktop systems? **

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EnterUserName:

Thats what i usually upgrade :)

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dj_segfault:

Well, it's a risk/benefit analysis. If you use consistent repositories that you trust, and you can use the new functionality, then it can be worth it, especially for a workstation. I upgrade packages on my server all the time, and only have problems when I do something stupid. However, I (1) back up regularly, and (2) reboot after every kernel update, so I can deal with problems on my schedule, instead of when I have t

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daMaestro:

hmm.. i am getting could not open /dev/video0 but cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test_capture.mpg works

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daMaestro:

(from mythtvsetup)

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c0re:

hey guys

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daMaestro:

hmm my myth user can't cat /dev/video0 but root can

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daMaestro:

should i be running mythtvsetup as root

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daMaestro:

ok.. well i just chowned the device

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c0re:

can nuvexport be setup as a job to run after a job is recorded?

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daMaestro:

c0re, set it up as a userjob

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daMaestro:

c0re, that is what i have done for my Encode for iPod job

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c0re:

within myth?

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daMaestro:

within mythtvsetup

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daMaestro:

you need to a) allow job 1–4 (whatever you will be using) .. and then b) define job 1–4 (whatever it is to do)

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c0re:

daMaestro, ok, whats the command look like?

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daMaestro:

well that is up to you

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EnterUserName:

does anyone use PSP with there mythtv

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daMaestro:

it is a plugin to Nuvexport

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EnterUserName:

with firmware 2.5 hgiher?

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c0re:

checking

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c0re:

daMaestro, which distro are you running?

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daMaestro:

fc6

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c0re:

daMaestro, really? =) what do you think so far?

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daMaestro:

about?

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c0re:

daMaestro, sry... fc6?

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daMaestro:

c0re, what do i think about fedora core 6?

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daMaestro:

c0re, it is not as cool as fedora 7 :-P

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** daMaestro points to cloak **

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c0re:

daMaestro, im looking forward to upgrading, but im still learning how to use fc5

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daMaestro:

c0re, fc6 is nice

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daMaestro:

c0re, lots of nice new features.. but f7 is going to be even better

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daMaestro:

aiglx is sweet

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daMaestro:

(just a side note about the eye candy; there are plenty of other more useful features)

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daMaestro:

c0re, just posted some FUDCon video

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daMaestro:

still have to edit more

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daMaestro:

http://torrent.fedoraproject.org

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c0re:

daMaestro, checking

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c0re:

daMaestro, looks like I have some downloadin to do =) thx for the info have a good nite

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dj_segfault:

I recently moved from SuSE to Fedora Core 6, and I'm pretty happy with it. It took a while to get used to the different tools, etc. But yum blows YaST out of the water for updates. I'm loving it.

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sinthetek:

i'm having some troubles getting mythtv to compile on gentoo. there are some gl-related undefined references in libmythui

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sinthetek:

unfortunately the only video card i have is onboard sis and i'm wondering if the compile errors are related to the xorg driver for it

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xris:

sinthetek: doubtful

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xris:

sinthetek: kormoc may pop in later (hard to say, he has out of town guests for the next couple of days), and he'd be the best one to talk to.

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xris:

Cardoe would be your other best help (since he actually made the ebuild)

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sinthetek:

hrm... ok

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Cardoe:

I didn't do it.

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sinthetek:

i guess i'll stick around and see if either show up

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sinthetek:

oh

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xris:

Cardoe: thought you maintained the mythtv ebuild

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Cardoe:

xris: I do.

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Cardoe:

xris: but it's easier to say I didn't do it.

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xris:

oh, so that was just a general denial, then. :)

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sinthetek:

:P

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xris:

sinthetek: pastebin your compile error

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sinthetek:

oki

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xris:

and if you're going to be compiling a lot, make sure that you have ccache installed. really speeds up recompiles.

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sinthetek:

http://www.mentalcases.net/~sinthetek/mythtvcompile.txt

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xris:

server not found

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xris:

wait, no, just not online

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sinthetek:

oh crap

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sinthetek:

sorry

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** sinthetek kicks pastebin **

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Cardoe:

www.rafb.net/paste

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Cardoe:

wgetpaste

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Cardoe:

uh

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Cardoe:

-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,--sort-common

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Cardoe:

MythTV doesn't have proper build dependencies... that's a known fact.

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Cardoe:

Tossing linker optimizations into the mix is asking for problems

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sinthetek:

sorry, my coding skills and knowledge of such things aren't the most indepth

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Cardoe:

well what have you done with your /etc/make.conf

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hjohnson:

I need to get a real frontend going.

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hjohnson:

knoppmyth aint' working so hot.

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sinthetek:

i think i just pasted those in there from a forum the last time i installed gentoo after accidentally deleting /etc when playing with mount -o bind in a chroot'ed env

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Cardoe:

sinthetek: pastebin /etc/make.conf

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sinthetek:

should i remove them all or...

[05:39:42]

sinthetek:

ok

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Cardoe:

sinthetek: If you don't understand all this stuff... why would you toss that stuff in your configs

[05:42:14]

sinthetek:

Cardoe: they were suggested on gentoo forums and seemed to work at the time...

[05:42:21]

Cardoe:

LDFLAGS won't get you support from ANY Gentoo developer

[05:42:33]

sinthetek:

i did intend to mess with them more later on but never got around to it

[05:42:40]

Cardoe:

and whoever suggested it is clueless

[05:42:42]

sinthetek:

if i remove them i'd have to recompile everything huh?

[05:42:46]

Cardoe:

CFLAGS="-O3 -pipe -march=athlon64 -mtune=k8"

[05:43:01]

Cardoe:

march is your "lowest possible denominator"

[05:43:07]

Cardoe:

and mtune can be a higher optimization

[05:43:13]

Cardoe:

You have that reversed.

[05:43:30]

sinthetek:

i did try looking up some of that stuff in gcc man page

[05:43:35]

sinthetek:

the CFLAGS

[05:43:41]

sinthetek:

it looked sound from what i could tell...

[05:43:50]

sinthetek:

not that i disbelieve you

[05:43:54]

Cardoe:

show me the output of "eselect opengl list"

[05:44:15]

sinthetek:

Available OpenGL implementations:

[05:44:16]

sinthetek:

[1] xorg-x11 *

[05:45:39]

Cardoe:

Well your LDFLAGS optimized out of your libGL.so, that's your OpenGL layer for your graphics card.. the necessary OpenGL functions.

[05:45:45]

Cardoe:

sinthetek: and your CFLAGS are wrong.

[05:46:28]

Cardoe:

sinthetek: and give me the forum post where you got that info

[05:46:39]

sinthetek:

i should switch up the march and mtune values and rmove the ldflags?

[05:46:52]

sinthetek:

and then emerge -e world?

[05:46:54]

Cardoe:

what processor do you have?

[05:47:00]

sinthetek:

amd64 2800+

[05:47:08]

Cardoe:

Are you building packages for other boxes?

[05:47:13]

sinthetek:

nope

[05:47:18]

Cardoe:

remove the mtune line entirely.

[05:47:24]

sinthetek:

ok

[05:47:33]

Cardoe:

remove your LDFLAGS

[05:48:01]

Cardoe:

re-compile mesa

[05:48:11]

sinthetek:

should i change march to k8 or leave it?

[05:48:23]

sinthetek:

you mentioned the flags being reversed or something

[05:48:23]

Cardoe:

athlon64 is the same thing currently

[05:48:27]

sinthetek:

ok

[05:48:53]

Cardoe:

in future gcc's it will be better targeted towards your processor

[05:49:27]

sinthetek:

ok

[05:49:42]

sinthetek:

i will see if i can find the same thread, i may have it bookmarked

[05:50:07]

Cardoe:

once you recompile mesa

[05:50:23]

Cardoe:

try mythtv

[05:50:29]

Cardoe:

I make no promises.

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sinthetek:

np

[05:52:24]

sinthetek:

just clearing up the make.conf problems was a great help

[05:53:36]

Cardoe:

The problem is going to be -Wl,-O1 and -Wl,--sort-common

[05:53:44]

Cardoe:

most likely with your MythTV compile

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Cardoe:

because that optimizes out symbols that aren't necessary

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Cardoe:

sinthetek: what's the word?

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dsl5218:

Hi, my myth system got shut down by someone else, and now it won't start. During boot, it says starting mysql failed.

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dsl5218:

and it then shows a blue screen with a gray asci box saying "GDM could not write a new authorization entry to disk. Possibly ou t of diskspace. Error: no space left on device

[06:12:15]

sinthetek:

Cardoe: i'm still waiting on it... i can't tell for sure if it is past the point it was at before but i think it is

[06:12:56]

sinthetek:

i got distracted looking for that post on gentoo forums neglected to start the myth compile for a few minutes, my bad

[06:13:01]

sinthetek:

btw, i could find it

[06:13:12]

sinthetek:

the post, that is

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Fenix-Dark:

hi

[06:26:39]

Fenix-Dark:

what hd tv tuners do you guys suggest?

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banyan:

hey... I am having an interesting issue with mythtv playback on a pvr-350. The framebuffer doesn't show any of the usual stuff. time... 'position saved', etc.

[06:28:36]

banyan:

any ideas why that'd be happening?

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Neeesat25:

banyan: Do you use framebuffer and send the signal to PVR-350 card for tv-out?

[06:29:03]

banyan:

I only use the framebuffer for the OSD.

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Neeesat25:

Oh, Did you make it work with no problems before?

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Cardoe:

sinthetek: same error?

[06:30:13]

sinthetek:

appears to be the same problem (gl*)

[06:30:13]

banyan:

since 2.6.19 it hasn't worked.

[06:30:14]

sinthetek:

yeah

[06:30:26]

banyan:

I think I may have a module that isn't loaded.

[06:30:29]

Cardoe:

do "eselect opengl set 1"

[06:30:52]

xris:

Fenix-Dark: there's a nice list on the wiki at linuxtv.org

[06:30:53]

Cardoe:

show me emerge -pv mesa

[06:31:03]

sinthetek:

banyan: did you upgrade to ivtv-0.9?

[06:31:06]

sinthetek:

Cardoe: ok

[06:31:26]

Xteven:

hi, can I "export" my recorded show to another disk without screwing up mythtv's database ?

[06:31:29]

Fenix-Dark:

xris, there are so many cards its a bit overwhelming

[06:31:55]

Cardoe:

the pchdtv 5500 is nice

[06:31:58]

xris:

Fenix-Dark: one in that list is a clear winner, both for features and price

[06:32:03]

Cardoe:

be nicer if it was cheaper

[06:32:13]

Cardoe:

and it'd be nicer if it had hardware pid filtering

[06:32:27]

Fenix-Dark:

xris, can you just tell me which please

[06:32:39]

xris:

Fenix-Dark: I don't know. haven't looked at the list in ages.

[06:32:41]

Cardoe:

the pchdtv is nice because of it's tuner, gets better reception then a lot of others

[06:32:53]

Fenix-Dark:

Cardoe, thats good

[06:33:01]

Fenix-Dark:

Cardoe, is it a dvb tuner?

[06:33:05]

banyan:

I'm on 0.10

[06:33:19]

Fenix-Dark:

i'm a bit confused with all of these acronyms and stuff

[06:33:38]

Cardoe:

Fenix-Dark: US or Europe?

[06:33:58]

Fenix-Dark:

Cardoe, US

[06:34:10]

sinthetek:

http://www.mentalcases.net/~sinthetek/mythtvcompile.txt

[06:34:15]

Cardoe:

Fenix-Dark: do you want over the air or cable?

[06:34:31]

Fenix-Dark:

Cardoe, i'd want OTA HD

[06:34:40]

Cardoe:

Fenix-Dark: then you need ATSC

[06:34:42]

sinthetek:

i also fixed my b0rked ssl config while waiting :P

[06:35:04]

Fenix-Dark:

Cardoe, yea

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xris:

Fenix-Dark: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCI_Cards

[06:37:58]

Xteven:

hmm, not much response

[06:38:35]

Fenix-Dark:

xris, ok

[06:38:50]

xris:

old copy of that page had prices listed, too

[06:39:12]

xris:

I think FusionHDTV5 Lite is the general winner.. and under $100

[06:40:06]

Fenix-Dark:

ok

[06:40:17]

xris:

but pchdtv is the general linux fav.

[06:40:30]

Cardoe:

Anything using that tuner is a good deal for ATSC reception

[06:40:43]

Cardoe:

only downside to the LG TAU6034 tuner is that it only has 1 input

[06:40:49]

banyan:

Well, I realised I didn't have the osd_compat=1 option.

[06:40:49]

Cardoe:

so it's either ATSC or QAM

[06:41:07]

Cardoe:

Can't stick a QAM based cable and an ATSC cable in there and switch between them like some other tuners

[06:41:13]

Cardoe:

But it gives the best ATSC reception

[06:41:26]

Cardoe:

I like some of the FlexCop based cards because of their hardware PID filtering

[06:41:34]

banyan:

One of 'em has a built in cable decoder does it not?

[06:41:42]

Xteven:

well, in case none of you knows: after moving the recordings somewhere else, mythtv is none the wiser. it still lists the shows as being there, but can't locate the file when I want to play them

[06:42:26]

banyan:

could symlink the files from the old location to the new.

[06:42:38]

sinthetek:

banyan: i dunno how much of a difference is makes and/or what the backwards compatibility is like, but afaik, 0.9.8 is or 2.6.18, 0.9.9 is for 2.6.19 and 0.9.10 is for 2.6.20 (ie i think you need 0.9.9 except for the fact noone else in here has mentioned it)

[06:42:41]

Xteven:

sure I could

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xris:

Xteven: yeah. you're not supposed to manually manage the files like that.

[06:43:00]

Xteven:

but the real question is, does mythtv have some mechanism to do all of this for me ?

[06:43:12]

Xteven:

xris : is there a tool that does it ?

[06:43:25]

Fenix-Dark:

xris, do either of them come with indoor antennas?

[06:43:28]

banyan:

Apparently I'm using 0.10... but it's not totally stable. Occasional machine hangups.

[06:43:28]

xris:

Xteven: does what?

[06:43:30]

xris:

Fenix-Dark: no

[06:43:48]

Xteven:

xris : move the recordings to another place and remove them from the database

[06:43:57]

xris:

Xteven: why would it?

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sinthetek:

hrm... nm, i just looked at the ivtv homepage

[06:44:35]

sinthetek:

they recommend everyone to use > 2.6.18 and >= ivtv 0.9.10

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xris:

Xteven: what exactly are you trying to do? there are tools to help with some of that, but mythtv is designed to manage your recordings, so letting go of them isn't generally a feature.

[06:44:44]

Xteven:

there is mytharchive with the following feature: "It can also archive recordings in a proprietary format that archives not only the file but also all the associated metadata like title, description and cut list information"

[06:44:50]

Xteven:

which is kindof a turnoff

[06:45:52]

Xteven:

xris : I have a RAID5 with enough space to store my recordings, but I keep it in standby most of the time because it sucks a lot of power. So once in a while, I would want to move my recordings there and remove them from mythtv

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xris:

turnoff?

[06:45:59]

sinthetek:

Cardoe: giving up on me? think re-building everything on the system my help? maybe emerge `ebuild depends mesa` or some such?

[06:46:10]

Xteven:

xris : yes, the "proprietary format" thing

[06:46:19]

sinthetek:

s/ebuild/equery

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xris:

Xteven: given that mythtv's recordings are in a proprietary format, there's not much to say.

[06:46:38]

xris:

you want storage groups, and you'd have to upgrade to svn for that.

[06:46:44]

Xteven:

eh ?

[06:46:55]

Cardoe:

sinthetek: you might have to recompile X

[06:46:59]

Cardoe:

sinthetek: or the entire system

[06:47:15]

Xteven:

dunno about there, but mythtv stores recordings in mpeg here

[06:47:43]

Xteven:

xris : ok, thx :)

[06:47:44]

Cardoe:

xris: where can you get the Fusion 5 for under $100?

[06:47:54]

Cardoe:

xris: AFAIK the pchdtv is cheaper then the Fusion 5

[06:47:58]

Xteven:

I'll put some perl together

[06:48:03]

Cardoe:

Cause the Fusion 5 is coming up @ $149

[06:48:07]

xris:

Cardoe: no clue. linuxtv ysed to list it as $89. cheapest I see now is $120

[06:48:12]

xris:

Cardoe: "lite"

[06:48:17]

Cardoe:

oh lite

[06:48:26]

Cardoe:

you could go el cheapo with the Kworld

[06:48:31]

Cardoe:

that's like $50 from newegg

[06:48:32]

xris:

still $30 different from the price they used to list.

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Cardoe:

well the lite got discontinued

[06:51:20]

Cardoe:

that's probably why

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sinthetek:

mmk

[06:51:28]

Cardoe:

anyway... it's 2am

[06:51:32]

Cardoe:

I'm off to bed.

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** sinthetek gets to crackin' **

[06:51:39]

sinthetek:

'night Cardoe

[06:51:43]

sinthetek:

thanks again

[06:51:44]

Cardoe:

night

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Cardoe:

sinthetek: hope you figure it out without having to rebuild everything

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AMD-:

hi

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AMD-:

when i run ps -p `cat /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid` it get 4877 ? 00:00:00 mythbackend

[07:30:30]

AMD-:

but i should be getting 30711 ? 00:00:00 mythbackend

[07:30:48]

xris:

?

[07:32:35]

AMD-:

?

[07:32:50]

AMD-:

im using ubuntu its just one machine

[07:33:24]

AMD-:

i am using this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy . . . tend_Desktop

[07:33:30]

xris:

is that pidfile current?

[07:33:34]

xris:

it might be stale

[07:33:57]

xris:

oh..

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AMD-:

i dont knwo

[07:34:00]

xris:

no, it says "like"

[07:34:07]

xris:

you don't want to see the exact process id.

[07:34:16]

AMD-:

lol

[07:34:29]

AMD-:

stupid mistake

[07:34:33]

xris:

heh

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xris:

well, whoever wrote that howto must be assuming at least some intermediate knowledge of linux process management.

[07:34:53]

AMD-:

i still have a isue some where thou

[07:36:22]

AMD-:

lol ............

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AMD-:

when i type sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart

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AMD-:

it aasks for a password what is the password

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xris:

which password?

[07:37:39]

xris:

oh, sudo.

[07:37:42]

xris:

it's your password

[07:38:03]

xris:

sudo is a program that lets you raise your privileges to admin/root.. it expects you to type in your own password.

[07:38:24]

AMD-:

yeh but i get Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the

[07:38:49]

AMD-:

None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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AMD-:

do you know what it means ?

[07:40:25]

xris:

that's mysql

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xris:

did you install mysql and mythtv at the same time with apt?

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AMD-:

i used sypnatic

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AMD-:

the guide says it dose not matter

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AMD-:

Note, you may get an error about QT Authentication failing. This can be safely ignored

[07:43:07]

xris:

my understanding of the current ubuntu packages is that they have a script to create the mythtv database, which runs during the "post" phase of package install. If mysql is not installed and already running, that section fails, and the mythtv user/database is not created.

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AMD-:

ok i have managed to stop mythtv back-end ................should i now run mythtv-setup

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xris:

sure

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AMD-:

ok how do i check if mysql is running

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xris:

type: mysql -u root

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xris:

that should connect with the commandline client

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AMD-:

ok i have

[07:46:52]

AMD-:

also in mythtv-setup i cant seem to be able to setup my tv card

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xris:

what does it say?

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AMD-:

i have a v4l:video0

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AMD-:

i selected that because i could see my card name

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AMD-:

but video souces only show that it has s-video and composite

[07:49:04]

AMD-:

and i cant scan for channels

[07:49:58]

AMD-:

also i get "failed to open he card " when i try to scan for channels

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AMD-:

"failed to open the card"

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xris:

what kind of card do you have?

[07:50:27]

AMD-:

dvb-t

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AMD-:

kworld

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xris:

then it's not a v4l card

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AMD-:

i have tryed swithcing

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xris:

sounds like you don't have the dvb drivers in your kernel, or perhaps the ubuntu package doesn't have dvb built into mythtv

[07:51:22]

xris:

have you tried to connect to your card using the standard commandline dvb utilities like tzap?

[07:51:23]

AMD-:

i could watch tv using caffeine

[07:52:20]

AMD-:

kaffeine

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AMD-:

i nove not tryed tzap

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xris:

you should be able to pick your card as a dvb card in mythtv-setup

[07:53:00]

xris:

you have to do that before going into the other sections of setup

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AMD-:

have too what do tzap ?

[07:53:37]

xris:

ignore tzap for now if kaffeine works

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xris:

sounds more like you just picked the wrong card type when you set up the card in mythtv-setup

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AMD-:

i am still trying different cards still no luck

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xris:

pick "dvb" if you have a dvb card

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AMD-:

dvb-t card

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xris:

you lost me there

[08:01:56]

AMD-:

NEVER MIND

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AMD-:

DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 1

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AMD-:

i got that from the terminal ^^

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AMD-:

also i have no input connections

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AMD-:

(dvb input)-> none

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xris:

sounds like you have some weird permissions problems or something

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orko_:

hi. my tvout output is a bit diffuse. can one reason be that mythtv records live tv in400x400 but plays it in PAL?

[09:32:37]

gardengnome:

plays it in PAL? what do you mean?

[09:34:25]

orko_:

as far as i understand does mythtv record livetv and directly playsthe recorded stream. is that right?

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quicksilver:

that's right

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t0ny-p40:

omg this guy's mythtv box has grounding problems! http://youtube.com/watch?v=FHb5KtVT9Fo

[09:35:56]

orko_:

i found some settings that livetv is recorded in 400x400 dy default. but playing it back to my tv should by PAL. so 400x400 is scaled?

[09:37:04]

quicksilver:

yes, it would be. Odd, though, I didn't think 400x400 was a default.

[09:37:27]

Dagmar:

tony-p40: Rest assured that man has done something impossibly stupid when building his machine

[09:38:10]

orko_:

quicksilver: i changed the livetv recording to 720x576 but the output is still diffuse.

[09:38:33]

orko_:

quicksilver: What is a good livetv recording default.

[09:38:41]

quicksilver:

well it's possible that your signal isn't very good

[09:38:59]

quicksilver:

a picture which I would describe as 'diffuse' is most likely to result from a poor signal

[09:39:15]

quicksilver:

low-resolution/over-compression is more likely to be described as 'chunky/blocky'

[09:39:57]

orko_:

quicksilver: i compare it to the normal tv by swicthing from AV channel to normal channel.

[09:40:02]

gardengnome:

it's also possible that your tv-out sucks. try it on a normal monitor

[09:40:16]

orko_:

i use composite right now.

[09:40:28]

orko_:

have a EPIA SP13000 board .

[09:41:57]

orko_:

So the first thing i can eliminate is that the recording of ivetv causes the diffuse output.

[09:43:49]

quicksilver:

if you can, play the video on a different monitor (possibly using a different computer)

[09:43:53]

quicksilver:

that would eliminate that variable

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orko_:

I have another question. which outpu resolution do you have at your tvout. right now i use 800x600.

[09:44:10]

Dagmar:

I keep mine at 1024x768

[09:44:16]

quicksilver:

I use 800x600

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orko_:

what happens at my box is that the fonts get very small if i change to 800x600 . I can not read them on tv.

[09:44:57]

Dagmar:

You didn't set the DPI properly.

[09:45:11]

orko_:

if i use 1280x960 on my PC Monitor then the fonts are very big. why dont they stay big.

[09:45:19]

orko_:

how to set the dpi?

[09:45:24]

quicksilver:

In fact, I have to use 800x600 because my rather limited tv-out driver only supports that resolution

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Dagmar:

orko_: It says on the wiki

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orko_:

Dagmar: ok. iw ill hae a look. shoud i search for tvout?

[09:45:56]

Dagmar:

No, you can search for Display Size or DPI

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orko_:

Dagmar: i think my box uses 71 dpi. to less?

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t0ny-p40:

Does anyone here know how to use the Xbox dvd dongle with a 2.6.x kernel?

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orko_:

thank you all for your help. i will try every tip and be back.

[09:50:18]

orko_:

anyone here using mythtv with a wiimote?

[09:51:45]

t0ny-p40:

are you using one orko_?

[09:52:03]

orko_:

i will try when my setup is complete.

[09:52:23]

t0ny-p40:

I just read about that somewhere

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orko_:

But in genereal is think it will be easier to navigate with a remote control

[09:52:37]

t0ny-p40:

I need to talk my friend into bringing his wii over

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orko_:

the wiki has a page abut it

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orko_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Controll . . . a_Wii_remote

[09:53:40]

orko_:

so have to go. i will make a video using the wiimote with mythtv

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orko_:

cu

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juski:

re

[10:05:10]

adante:

hmm

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juski:

hey can I control mythtv using my *fingers* ?

[10:05:26]

adante:

that wii remote thing.. does it actually use the accelerometer bits?

[10:05:38]

adante:

i want to control myth with power of my brain cheers

[10:06:49]

juski:

lol

[10:09:55]

juski:

is a brain necessary to use mythtv though?

[10:15:38]

rsdvd_:

juski : did you look at the S100 scarty last night?

[10:15:39]

gardengnome:

juski: the nice people in #mythtv-users will use your mythtv for you.

[10:15:59]

juski:

there are nice people in #mythtv-users?!

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juski:

rsdvd_: nope. had a pc-free evening

[10:17:01]

rsdvd_:

:-)

[10:17:28]

rsdvd_:

so did I to be honest – I went to the pub and I was feeling guilty you might have been talkingto me on here :-)

[10:17:53]

juski:

wasn't in here at all when I got home

[10:17:56]

juski:

felt nice

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rsdvd_:

lol....did you not get withdrawl symptoms?

[10:19:23]

juski:

nope

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juski:

not gonna be in channel tonight either

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rsdvd_:

:-(

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juski:

got to do all my mortgage paperwork

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rsdvd_:

ouch – you would be happier in here

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juski:

I doubt it

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rsdvd_:

lol

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juski:

I'm getting increasingly pissed off with trying to help fucktarded idiots

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rsdvd_:

are you moving house or just re-mortgaging ?

[10:21:14]

juski:

just changing mortgage

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juski:

robbing bastard halifax go byebyes

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rsdvd_:

I had noticed your annoyance with the questions

[10:21:27]

juski:

7.25%

[10:22:13]

rsdvd_:

I have just managed to clear all my mortgages – so for the first time in years I don;t have to shudder when the BoE base rate changes :-)

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juski:

jammy sod

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rsdvd_:

:-)

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rsdvd_:

we have just been very lucky with house price rises

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juski:

anyway got a nice deal – 5.7% for 3 years

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juski:

pfft

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juski:

we only need what we have

[10:24:11]

juski:

frontend in the livingroom & the backend

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rsdvd_:

you have 2 too many as it is :-)

[10:24:30]

rsdvd_:

don't you have any other frontends?

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juski:

why would I?

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rsdvd_:

I watch most of my TV in bed at night.....so I have the main front end in there – and I have one in the conservatory for tv watching in summer

[10:25:25]

rsdvd_:

I now want to add one to the TV in the kitchen and one in my office

[10:26:09]

rsdvd_:

I still don;t have one on the main 50'' TV in the lounge :-) need somethign nice for tht

[10:33:22]

juski:

no myth on the big telly?!

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rsdvd_:

not yet – I have my laptop plugged in by VGA – so when I want to watch somethign from the myth server I just copy the file to the laptop

[10:34:31]

juski:

windows laptop eh :(

[10:34:35]

rsdvd_:

keep thinking I really should just make a 'live cd' usb key or similar and rebot the laptop – just not got round to it

[10:34:38]

rsdvd_:

yes

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juski:

nero showcenter ftw ;)

[10:35:28]

rsdvd_:

yeah – I have used that on the office PC.....never thought of that on the laptop

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rsdvd_:

currently though it is WiFi only in there – so upnp might be a bit crap to waqtch a film

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juski:

load zip.cof

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juski:

oops

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gardengnome:

rsdvd_: hurry up with that minimyth. i want a bedroom frontend as well ;)

[11:05:14]

rsdvd_:

:-) all but the fs454 (scart etc) is working – juski said he would help with that when he has time

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rsdvd_:

gardengnome : unless you know enough about that stuff in xorg.conf – then feel free :-)

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juski:

he who sits back & watches reaps all!

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rsdvd_:

:-) I tried that – it only works for a while :-)

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gardengnome:

rsdvd_: i've got a cold at the moment so i can hardly concentrate. maybe i can study some manuals later tonight.

[11:07:47]

juski:

I might be able to help remotely, today

[11:08:06]

rsdvd_:

I tried reading the manuals for IEGD – and it made my head hurt

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** juski laughs **

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rsdvd_:

juski : if you want to remotly try tweaking the xorg.conf – then I will install it here and try?

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juski:

I said *might* ;)

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juski:

wait til lunchytime

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rsdvd_:

:-) I will be here

[11:09:42]

juski:

<8 xor :)

[11:12:20]

gardengnome:

IEGD is not a so bad. it sucked harder when there were those annoying .pcf files

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rsdvd_:

does the iegd part include the acceleration? as this plays really slowly

[11:13:05]

juski:

yep

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juski:

I was getting cpu usage of <25% playing back sdtv freeview recordings

[11:13:58]

gardengnome:

i need to synchronize my home directories across my various boxen. i'm on my laptop righ now and don't have IEGD handy.

[11:14:33]

juski:

rsdvd_: -O

[11:14:36]

juski:

ding!

[11:14:46]

juski:

just remembered something

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t0ny-p40:

haha! I was messing with mythtv and I cought a mouse in my subwoofer

[11:16:34]

Dagmar:

Damn CNN really needs to warn people about what's on the screen

[11:16:48]

Dagmar:

I glanced up just in time to see a mans leg dislocated all to hell at the knee

[11:17:11]

Dagmar:

THEN I see the caption "HORRIFIC KNEE INJURY"

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t0ny-p40:

Why wont my mythtv shutdown it says "MythTv is locked by a user"

[11:18:44]

t0ny-p40:

and thats at the mythwelcome screen with no other frontends

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** juski never uses mythwelcome **

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juski:

jeus. thank fuck for sudo

[11:20:57]

juski:

just tried to untar zenslack but forgot the -C option

[11:21:23]

gardengnome:

juski: does zenslack already have the latest & greatest IEGD?

[11:21:34]

gardengnome:

t0ny-p40: hit "m" and tell it to unlock

[11:22:17]

t0ny-p40:

gardengnome, thanks

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rsdvd_:

juski – I thought you disliked zenslack for some reason

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juski:

I was ferretting ardound for its xorg.conf

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rsdvd_:

arh....good idea

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juski:

and I disliked zenslack only because of the dodgy stuff inthe 'mythtv plugin' – and the version they'd used

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rsdvd_:

:-)

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juski:

ugh that ginger manc twat is on the radio

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rsdvd_:

which one :-)

[11:38:28]

juski:

hucknall

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rsdvd_:

arh that one!

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juski:

how many other ginner manc twats are there?

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rsdvd_:

I lived there for years – I know loads :-)

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juski:

lol

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juski:

in some cases you can just drop the twat word – it's taken as read

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rsdvd_:

not suer how I should take that as a manc

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juski:

I'll never regard myself as a manc despite having lived here 10 years

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juski:

not that I'd call meself a Gerodie either

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rsdvd_:

where you from originally then?

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juski:

near Newcastle on Tyne

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rsdvd_:

'out of the firying pan into the fire'

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juski:

but that doesn't make me a geordie

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rsdvd_:

not sure which is worse.......my Brother lives in Durham so I spend time in Newcastle.

[11:44:14]

juski:

mancs is better IMHO

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juski:

despite all the posers

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rsdvd_:

:-) I tend to agree – and both are better than nottingham

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juski:

mancs has more choice than newcastle but newcastle knows how to party

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Dagmar:

Chavs are good like that

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** Dagmar waits for the explosion. **

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immolo:

You get a good curry in Newcastle too :D

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rsdvd_:

you got amuch better curry on Manchester – the Curry Mile

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juski:

anyway manchester has much more guncrime,so it *must* be better :-P

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orko_:

i have a question concerning a "bug" in mythfilldatabase

[11:49:39]

orko_:

if i use it with --manual then it ask me about every channel found. but it does not ask me for the frequence of the channel.

[11:49:42]

gardengnome:

orko_: are you annoyed because --manual will ask you the same questions over and over?

[11:49:46]

gardengnome:

heh

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gardengnome:

orko_: are you german?

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immolo:

lol you been reading the alterive guide to britian again juski ?

[11:50:00]

orko_:

if i use --preset it asks me about the frquence

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quicksilver:

a

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orko_:

gardengnome: yes

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quicksilver:

blah, sorry

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Dagmar:

You should try it with --bothersome-pedantry

[11:50:42]

gardengnome:

orko_: --preset is more sensible for germany anyways. and --manual does ask you about the frequency, it's just got a different name.

[11:50:51]

gardengnome:

orko_: http://www.mythwiki.de/index.php/HOWTO_Mythfilldatabase

[11:52:15]

orko_:

gardengnome: you mean channum?

[11:53:09]

gardengnome:

orko_: probably. it says "same as xawtv". but just read that wiki article

[11:53:52]

orko_:

gardengnome: it does but what i type in there is not stroed in the database as frequid. its stored in the same coloumn as preset is stored.

[11:54:26]

gardengnome:

orko_: weird. that might be a real bug then. are you running current 0.20-fixes?

[11:55:17]

orko_:

gardengnome: running mythtv from debian-multimedia org. seems to be svn snapshot of 3 days ago or so.

[11:55:39]

gardengnome:

orko_: yep, that's a snapshot from the fixes branch

[11:56:50]

orko_:

gardengnome: but it is weird anyway. why does it not aks for freqid anyway. instead asks for channum where it expects to be entered a freqid

[11:57:52]

gardengnome:

orko_: because $things are different in the united states. the chan num usually equals the frequency id AFAIK. so if they want to tune to channel 3 on their tv, they just hit "3" on the remote.

[11:58:01]

gardengnome:

that's why mythfilldatabase supports --preset

[11:58:12]

Dagmar:

Deceptively simple, isn't it?

[11:58:33]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: it causes lots of confusion for people outside the US

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** gardengnome hates mythfilldatabase --manual. **

[11:58:59]

orko_:

i think i will participate in devloping. Because i also do not understand why the channel id is not automatically choosen by tmythfilldatabase.

[11:59:16]

orko_:

the id is for internal use only so dont other the user with it.

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juski:

I think I'll participate in trying to help users get a clue

[12:00:37]

gardengnome:

i always thought the channel id would be the present in the US but that's obviously wrong

[12:00:43]

juski:

ah no. resistance is futile

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** gardengnome borgs juski **

[12:01:08]

juski:

borg is a good german name after all ;)

[12:01:24]

gardengnome:

is it?

[12:01:50]

juski:

I thought the famous tennis-playing borg was German

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Dagmar:

would be the what here?

[12:02:06]

Dagmar:

Channel IDs _are_ pre-set in the US.

[12:02:15]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: err, "preset". like, what you enter on your remote for the telly

[12:02:43]

Dagmar:

You've got VHF, and UHF, and both have a set of frequencies in each band that are assigned a given number, and that number is the channel number.

[12:02:48]

orko_:

Borg is swedish afaik

[12:02:56]

orko_:

becker is famouse german tennis player

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juski:

buh!

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Dagmar:

When you punch up for channel 3 on a TV in the US, it tunes a very specific frequency.

[12:03:23]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: i assume mythtv mimicks the way a normal TV works. what's the difference between the "channel id" and "frequency id"? mythfilldatabase --manual wants to know both

[12:03:44]

juski:

we can tune TV channels to any freq. over here

[12:04:05]

juski:

I pity folks with analogue tv

[12:04:14]

juski:

poor losers

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quicksilver:

I wonder how the US handles overlapping signals?

[12:04:17]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: I'm half assuming but I was under the impression that the channel ID is the channel number and the frequency ID was the specific frequency

[12:04:31]

Dagmar:

...which, for all intents and purposes in the US, are tied to each other.

[12:04:34]

quicksilver:

AFAIK the reason that UK channels are different freqs is so that adjacent trasmitters don't interfere

[12:04:34]

juski:

quicksilver: I assume they don't, which is another reason the picture Q. sucks so bad

[12:05:06]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: the frequency id can be just a name for a channel. in germany, they're called "S2" for example. check frequencies.c in the mythtv source

[12:05:08]

quicksilver:

maybe they expected each antenna to comfortably cover a city and no one who matters lives between cities :)

[12:05:22]

Dagmar:

We've got callsigns for TV stations as well, which are not tied to anything in particular except the broadcasting entity

[12:05:39]

Dagmar:

Like, right now here we have the local NBC affiliate on channel 5, whose callsign is WSMV

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gardengnome:

so the channel name is "NBC" and the callsign is "WSMV"?

[12:06:09]

gardengnome:

that concept confused me as well.

[12:06:21]

Dagmar:

Channel 5 is always going to be a particular frequency, although what people refer to as "channel 5" (because American's are simple when it comes to TV) can apply to the FCC and change to channel 2 or something if that is available, and they'll still be WKRN.

[12:06:27]

gardengnome:

here, you are expected to remap the channels to your liking.

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: For most purposes, the callsign would probably be the channel ID where listings are concenred.

[12:07:00]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: i assumed the channel ID was an integer.

[12:07:09]

Dagmar:

Channels broadcasting west of the (whatever the hell that big mountain range is) start with a K, east of there start with a W.

[12:07:38]

Dagmar:

Well, NBC isn't a channel name. It's the name of a company, National Broadcast Corporation.

[12:07:55]

Dagmar:

Like, ABC is American Broadcast Corporation, and CBS is Columbia Broadcast System (I think)

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Dagmar:

Those are basically the name of giant conglomerates

[12:08:07]

gardengnome:

do you have region-specific content then?

[12:08:11]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[12:08:17]

gardengnome:

ah. makes sense.

[12:08:43]

gardengnome:

i should look at mfdb --manual again but it's too scary.

[12:08:54]

Dagmar:

NBC's affilitate station here, WRKN, will be doing a little local programming, but mainly they're picking up satellite feeds from NBC's HQ and then broadcasting them OTA on channel 5 (where they operate as WKRN)

[12:09:50]

Dagmar:

Cable channels *can* have a callsign, but that's mainly because they're allowed to operate an OTA broadcast station as well if they apply for a licence, and adhere to FCC regulations.

[12:10:18]

Dagmar:

This is why "callsign" would never be a proper key name for anything involving both cable and OTA stations

[12:10:30]

gardengnome:

ah

[12:10:33]

Dagmar:

Callsigns are ONLY assigned to over-the-air broadcast stations.

[12:10:40]

juski:

fork!

[12:10:44]

Dagmar:

Kinda

[12:10:47]

gardengnome:

right, most people here get their TVprogramming via cable or satellite.

[12:10:50]

juski:

mythtv for USA & mythtv for Europe :)

[12:11:07]

Dagmar:

It would be more appropriate to refer to them as channel names

[12:11:30]

Dagmar:

Even the slowest American will probably be able to tell which channel number WKRN is if they're shown a list

[12:11:32]

juski:

I never understood wtf the callsign field was all about

[12:11:47]

Dagmar:

juski: It's basically the hash key for the FCC database. ;)

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gardengnome:

juski: for europe, it's just a "short name" afaik

[12:12:46]

Dagmar:

W for east coast, K for west coast, and the other three letters (for radio and TV, non-HAM) are supposed to be chosen at random but there are PLENTY of examples of the FCC assigning specific call letters to corporations who bribe the right people (er, pay "premium" fees)

[12:13:01]

Dagmar:

I'm surpised you don't know about callsigns from HAM radio stuff

[12:13:16]

Dagmar:

About the only difference there is that world-band and HAM stuff appears to have five letters total

[12:13:33]

juski:

but radio hams have beards & wear anoraks

[12:13:39]

Dagmar:

Yeah, so.

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quicksilver:

keeps the rain off

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Dagmar:

Just as long as you don't let them shed on your couch

[12:14:05]

Dagmar:

...or set up "just a small antenna" in your backyard.

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orko_:

perhaps just aks the user for channlnumber and prefill freqid with the same value. that would is make easy for US people .

[12:14:33]

orko_:

and european have the psosibility to enter the freqid.

[12:14:59]

juski:

all this sounds amazingly familiar

[12:15:10]

orko_:

mfdb asks for finetune anyway, so it assumes the user to know about freq stuff.

[12:15:12]

juski:

some kind of database-driven setup util would help a lot

[12:15:44]

juski:

Dagmar: generally, yes

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orko_:

i am an european anaolog cable tv user. so i might be the worst case user,-)

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rsdvd_:

juski : are you offering to write a db driven vresion :-)

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juski:

Dagmar: but in Europe you can set 'channel 1' to be any freq. you lkike

[12:17:03]

Dagmar:

Well, you can detune the hell out of your channels on most older TV sets in the US, but most people don't really care to have channel 4 showing up on positions 4, 5, 6, 9, and 11 on their TV dial.

[12:17:54]

Dagmar:

If you're really lucky, you can find an old unit that still has UHF tuning capability up around channels 78~83 and you can pick up phone conversations by people whose cell phones are ENTIRELY too farking old.

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orko_:

perhaps just change channum to "channum(freudid for european users)"

[12:18:10]

juski:

when there are only 3 channels to worry about....

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juski:

BBC1, BBC1 & some ITV channel

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Dagmar:

Well, here in Nashville, TN we have Channel 2, Channel 4, Channel 5, Channel 8 (public broadcasting), and abuot a half-dozen odd UHF channels

[12:19:20]

Dagmar:

...most of the UHF channels have about as much power as a small stack of hair dryers

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juski:

never forget the 1st time I saw NTSC in the flesh.. (shudder)

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Dagmar:

Bullshit

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Dagmar:

You don't get to see flesh on NTSC broadcasts. The FCC fines you for that.

[12:21:13]

Dagmar:

;)

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juski:

lol

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juski:

oh god. just seen another boxload of optical drives I'll have to evaluate :(

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rsdvd_:

juski ; send some overhere – one of my DVD drives is dieing – I will evaluate it for you

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antiPosix:

I have the default settings for MPEG encoding, does anyone find these extremely high?

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antiPosix:

4500 – 6500MAX

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antiPosix:

I changed it to 2200 to 3300 and dont notice any differance

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juski:

antiPosix: so? use what suits you

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gardengnome:

i think the defaults are not high enough ;)

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juski:

I found the default recording res of my pvr150 looked like VHS

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Ruleke:

the default res is crazy

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Ruleke:

no idea why anyone would pick that

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juski:

720x576 is much better than 480x480

[13:18:36]

** Ruleke nods **

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juski:

software encoders ;)

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Ruleke:

yeah I just can't bring myself to believe there are many people that use them :p

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gardengnome:

juski: there are different recording profiles for hardware and software encoders afair

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antiPosix:

I have a PVR 150 as well

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gardengnome:

is the pvr 150 actually better than the pvr 250?

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juski:

oh yeah so there are

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juski:

so why 480x480?

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gardengnome:

juski: because you cant make DVDs then! o/

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juski:

I think I remember reading something where someone laimed there's 'no noticable difference' – I mean who the hell are they kidding?

[13:27:39]

Ruleke:

well in older drivers ivtv didn't do the Right Thing (tm) when scaling

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janneg:

Bruce Markey claimed that for NTSC

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fryfrog:

with those cards, its the *second* value that makes the big diff, right?

[13:27:58]

Ruleke:

so it only looks best at native PAL or NTSC for those

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Ruleke:

gardengnome: I'm pretty sure DVD can do full PAL/NTSC ??

[13:28:55]

Ruleke:

oh you mean the reason is so that you cant ? :)

[13:29:33]

gardengnome:

Ruleke: yep

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Ruleke:

funny thing about resolution and quality, you can't easily move back to a worse format ;)

[13:30:59]

Ruleke:

I sometimes delete shows from the backend simply based on if they were recorded with the PVR card or the DVB one..

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juski:

I find they look pretty similar, but then the source isn't a tuner ;)

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Ruleke:

juski: heh

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Ruleke:

the dvb one looks way better here

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Ruleke:

especially on the LCD

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defaultro:

morning folks, are there add-on that will allow us to watch streams from quicktime.com

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defaultro:

i mean, trailers on their websites

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Dagmar:

If you download the trailer first, sure

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defaultro:

that's what I'm currently doing

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Dagmar:

I dunno. I usually get bored around 50 or so

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defaultro:

but i was hoping that there was a parser

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Dagmar:

wrong channel

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Ruleke:

Dagmar: don't tell us which one... 50.. wow ;)

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defaultro:

somewhere below, http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=MythStreamInstall

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defaultro:

:)

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fryfrog:

anyone tried that "mythremote" for the ds lite?

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Dagmar:

It'll suck

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Dagmar:

The latency for opera is total hell

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Dagmar:

I'd like to be more positive about it, but the thing is just a miserably slow piece of equipment for that type of task

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fryfrog:

er

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fryfrog:

it isn't a web thing

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fryfrog:

its a .nds application that uses the telnet interface

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Dagmar:

Yep.

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Dagmar:

Problem #1 is that it's a fairly big pain in the ass to get homebrew to where a DS can boot it at all

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fryfrog:

so what does that have to do with opera?

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Dagmar:

Opera is another wireless app for the DS.

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fryfrog:

bah, i had no trouble at all. DLDI is awesome

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Dagmar:

The thing is good for video games but it's network stuff is slow and unhappy

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fryfrog:

though i haven't yet tried teh wireless

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fryfrog:

homebrew didn't like it, but the games worked fine :/

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Dagmar:

Ah the DS-Xtreme is a new device

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fryfrog:

nah, not that new

[15:18:29]

fryfrog:

few months old

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fryfrog:

but it was one of the first "slot1" cards for the ds

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Dagmar:

Man what the fsck is with the price on it

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fryfrog:

what do you mean?

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Dagmar:

The thing costs as much as a DS

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fryfrog:

i don't know how much it costs, i much prefer the carts w/ removable memory

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Dagmar:

Retail on the DS-Xtreme is $125

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fryfrog:

christ

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fryfrog:

The M3 DS Simply is like $50

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fryfrog:

R4 is like $45

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fryfrog:

EZ5 bout the same

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fryfrog:

but they all use micro sd cards, instead of built in memory

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fryfrog:

speaking of mythremote, a 0.2 version is out :)

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fryfrog:

now i just need to go home and try it

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Dagmar:

You've seen the screenshots of it, right?

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fryfrog:

yeah, its much prettier now

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fryfrog:

not just some ncurses/cmd line looking thing

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fryfrog:

http://grizzly.thewaffleiron.net/mythremote/

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mace:

hi, i'm having some problems following an upgrade to 0.20 with my PVR350 – i get audio but no video when hardware acceleration is enabled

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mace:

with hardware acceleration disabled i get both audio and video but it's pretty much unusable if the machine is doing anything else :(

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fryfrog:

you mean tv out of the pvr350

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fryfrog:

?

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mace:

yeah, sorry

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mace:

i notice that someone else posted the same question to the mythtv-users mailing list a couple of weeks ago, but no response :/

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joni_:

hello

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Dagmar:

The answer is no.

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joni_:

? :(

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gardengnome:

s/no/42/

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Dagmar:

Another possible interpretation.

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recurs|ve:

i am very confused at some of the new lingo... i have not been active in the media world for the past 5 years and so much has changed. this is what i want to be able to do with myth, watch one tv program, record another (possibly HDTV) at the same time. i want to be as light as possible with the cpu. also, what type of vidcard is necessary?

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GreyFoxx:

topher: Mythweb already has a settings editor

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joni_:

is there any finnish mythtv user?

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Dagmar:

Oh like they have TV in Finland.

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joni_:

well, some rich people do

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joni_:

cant get epg work :/

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joni_:

and channel searching doesnt give anything

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spuck00:

Can I turn on/off deinterlacing? Or change it depending on the video file? I'm using Mplayer.

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Dagmar:

Sure.

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fryfrog:

yeah

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fryfrog:

oh

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spuck00:

how?

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fryfrog:

i mean, with myth you can?

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fryfrog:

are you talking tv playback or movie playback?

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Dagmar:

The worst that can happen is your computer could go on ebay and buy a bunch of Strawberry Shortcake figurines on your account.

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spuck00:

movie playback with mplayer

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fryfrog:

oh, sorry that is more of an mplayer question :/

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fryfrog:

i don't know the answer

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spuck00:

ok :S

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Dagmar:

Actually, I suppose it *could* get worse.

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Dagmar:

It could start streaming Milli Vanilli or New Kids On The Block

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gardengnome:

spuck00: try the player man page

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Dagmar:

Internets are serious business?

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Dagmar:

bah wrong channel

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joni_:

yes, this is not 4chan

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Dagmar:

That's good because I left my stabbing knife in my other coat

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topher:

are there any reasons for X to take 100% cpu when using the qt painter and using xorg 6.8.2 from fc4, mythtv from source 0.20a ?

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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Dagmar:

Intel chipsets being pretty high on that list.

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topher:

Dagmar: is the xorg from fc4 compiled w/ that bad -O flag?

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topher:

Dagmar: im using an nvidia card w/ their binary driver

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gardengnome:

why would intel chipsets be the cause?

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topher:

nvidia driver 1.0–8178

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Dagmar:

Because their idea of accellerated GL sucks and should be blamed for everything.

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Dagmar:

topher: Try the latest 9xxx for one thing

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: he said *qt* painer

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gardengnome:

painter*

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topher:

yea, this is the qt painter

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: I said "everything". Not just "things which might be their fault"

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topher:

any other ideas besides just upgrading the nvidia driver? ill give that a try though

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Dagmar:

I've no idea what "bad -O flag" you're talking about actually

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Dagmar:

I'm trying not to think about why you're still using fc4

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topher:

Dagmar: the mythtv wiki's faq has the -O flag thing as one answer for X using 100% cpu

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Dagmar:

Hmm...

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Dagmar:

Yuuuck -Os is not something they would have used on those binaries

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Dagmar:

It might be worth making sure the fontserver is actually working

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GreyFoxx:

topher: Are you referring to gcc -O or mythfrontend -O ?

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topher:

Dagmar: yea, who knows what evil lurks in official fedora binaries :)

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Dagmar:

I think they were still hung up on the idea that it's useful to run it separately with fc4

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topher:

GreyFoxx: gcc -O when compiling xorg

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Dagmar:

topher: Nah, they had -O2 as the default

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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topher:

GreyFoxx: i didnt compile xorg though, im using the fc4 package

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topher:

GreyFoxx: and it's not the qt painter so im at a loss :/

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Dagmar:

...but seriously, IIRC they were still apparently convinced it's useful to have a font server running separately with FC4

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Dagmar:

If it's not running, or it's broken, bad things happen.

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topher:

Dagmar: do the latest x servers not run separate font servers?

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topher:

(thanks btw guys, i think it's a xorg conf issue)

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Dagmar:

topher: You never really _needed_ one

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Dagmar:

I never found a use for one for single desktops

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topher:

Dagmar: what did they do? provide a list of fonts?

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Dagmar:

It basically serves up font glyphs

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Dagmar:

...and nominally acts as Yet Another Port That Can Be Used To Hassle Someone's Workstation To Death With.

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topher:

Dagmar: well at least it's a thing of the past, right?

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Dagmar:

topher: One would hope, but RedHat is kinda clue-resistant about some things

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Dagmar:

We only had to hassle them for four years straight to get them to stop turning on every service under the sun on a default install "because Windows users expect this"

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S2:

does myth svn now work with hybrid digital/analog cards?

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topher:

hehe

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r3m0t:

how can I make mythtv record to a certain directory (hard disk) then in a few days/as the drive fills up, move the file to another directory (mounted NAS)?

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moh:

cron job?

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Dagmar:

Pretty much.

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Dagmar:

Kinda what cron was designed for

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Captain_Murdoch:

or run myth_archive_job.pl on the recordings manually as a user job. search for myth_archive_job.pl in the mailing list archives for instructions.

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spuck00:

gardengnome: Already done that, thats why I'm asking here. :P

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r3m0t:

Captain_Murdoch: thanks

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Captain_Murdoch:

yw. with current SVN, you won't even need to do that, since SVN supports multiple recording directories.

[18:08:23]

r3m0t:

er... how much work is it to move to SVN from 0.20? I'm on FC6

[18:08:30]

r3m0t:

it's probably more trouble than it's worth

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Captain_Murdoch:

it's easy, you just can't go back without restoring from a DB backup.

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r3m0t:

yes, but will it be stable

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Captain_Murdoch:

depends on which version. you should never run SVN unless you are monitoring both the -dev and -commits mailing lists.

[18:09:32]

Captain_Murdoch:

stable for you might be unstable for me depending on which features we both use.

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Dagmar:

I'll add that people shouldn't run SVN unless they're willing (*and able*) to debug C++

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Dagmar:

If you're just _burning_ to have 0day source, get 0.20-fixes

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Captain_Murdoch:

yes. :) most devs (myself included) don't usually bother helping with anything other than a minor problem unless you can provide the debugging info me we need such as backtraces, etc..

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topher:

hrm, quite odd, my X server appears to take 100% cpu even after i kill mythfrontend ... :/

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topher:

gotta enjoy a good troubleshoot!

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topher:

weird. if i kill X and mythfrontend (normally started from init scripts), and start it myself, it doesnt take 100% cpu ... haha

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fysa:

using nvidia video?

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antiPosix:

who

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grizzL_:

who!

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antiPosix:

I use nvidia video

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antiPosix:

seen!

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vegeat:

hey all

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muh-die-kuh:

hi, i got no sound in mythtv when watching tv. i could fix this with simply executing "v4ctl volume mute off" and unmuting the "line" playback device in alsa. but then, the sound remains on, even if i close mythtv. in addition, sound and video arent synchron – someone has a tip what to do? it works perfectly in kdetv :(

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r3zurector:

Anyone know of a good mythfrontend for windows?

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r3zurector:

I am about to test out winmyth with dsmyth but wanted some other suggestions if there are any.

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GreyFoxx:

r3zurector: I think there is something called tapeworm, and mythtvplayer. I've never used them but I've seen them mentioned before

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AMD-:

hi

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juski:

and is the card type in mythtv set to the correct one?

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AMD-:

sorry juski what do you mean by the user

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juski:

I mean the *user*

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juski:

so what user are you? and can that user use the card?

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AMD-:

normal user

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AMD-:

i can became root using sudo

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juski:

are you going to answer the question about whether or not your user can use the card?

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AMD-:

yes

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AMD-:

i have used the card with Kaffine player

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AMD-:

kaffeine

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juski:

check that the 'mythtv' linux user can access the card

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AMD-:

please tell me how to check

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juski:

and verify that the user you're running mythtv-setup as can access the card

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juski:

log in as the 'mythtv' user

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AMD-:

i did not create a log in account for mythtv .this is the guide i am using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy . . . tend_Desktop

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AMD-:

can any one with more knowledge help me

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gardengnome:

AMD-: is your card detected? does it work with other applications?

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AMD-:

gardengnome: i could use the card with the Kaffeine player

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AMD-:

i think my card dose get dettected as i can see its name Kworld dvb-t 100

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gardengnome:

are the permissions correct?

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AMD-:

i dont know any way to check ?

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AMD-:

total 0

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AMD-:

drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 60 2007-02–27 20:26 .

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AMD-:

drwxr-xr-x 14 root root 14120 2007-02–27 20:33 ..

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AMD-:

drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 120 2007-02–27 20:26 adapter0

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juski:

aha!

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juski:

problem found

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AMD-:

you dont say

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AMD-:

what is it ?

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juski:

root root

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AMD-:

???????????????????????????????????

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AMD-:

why why why

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AMD-:

how how how to fix

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gardengnome:

i ought to be root/video

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juski:

the first 'root' means the 'root' user owns it

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AMD-:

i see ...very good thinking gardengnome

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juski:

the next one is the group, which also happens to be 'root'

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gardengnome:

actually, there are some files missing.

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juski:

but it *should* be 'video'

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AMD-:

ahhhhhhh

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juski:

gardengnome: don't think so

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juski:

they'll all appear under adapter0

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gardengnome:

juski: ah, right. sorry.

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juski:

I think some poking around in udev is needed

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AMD-:

at your command

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hjohnson:

i'm just trying to figure out why udev isn't starting up in knoppmyth

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juski:

hjohnson: for knoppmyth questions, there's #knoppmyth ;)

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hjohnson:

I know.

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AMD-:

ok so

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AMD-:

what do i do

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juski:

in my /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules file I've got a section like this: http://www.pastebin.ca/374880

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juski:

verify what yours is like, maybe popping the 'video' section into a pastebin

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juski:

that btw is the first time I've ever looked into udev's permissions stuff :)

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AMD-:

http://www.pastebin.ca/374885

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AMD-:

great

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juski:

AMD-: heh

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AMD-:

:(

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juski:

look in /etc/udev/rules.d/20-names.rules for a 'dvb' entry

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juski:

I've got http://www.pastebin.ca/374891

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juski:

so you must've been using kaffeine as root if the card worked then

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AMD-:

i didnt type sudo kaffeine

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AMD-:

just click on th application then the kaffeine icon

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juski:

weird

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juski:

hmm actually, my dvb adapters are both owned by the root group

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juski:

ahhh

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juski:

the subdevices are in the 'video' group

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juski:

your might look like this: http://www.pastebin.ca/374899

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AMD-:

http://pastebin.ca/374900

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juski:

if that is the case all you should need to do is add the user you ran mythtv-setup as (and the mythtv user) to the video group

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juski:

go system > administration > users & groups to open up the user manager app

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juski:

click 'groups' then select the 'video' group, click 'properties' then add your user to the group

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AMD-:

should i make mythtv root ?

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juski:

no

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AMD-:

what do i do i dont seee video ?

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juski:

make mythtv & your user a member of the 'video' group

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juski:

click the 'show all users & groups' tick box

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AMD-:

i only have the button manage groups

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juski:

time to learn some ubuntu-fu then ;)

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AMD-:

what dose this do ? sudo usermod -a -G mythtv

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Wibble-:

Howdy – I scanned for my channels, but it found many more than I can actually receive (e.g. sky cinema channels) – is there any way to automatically purge the channels which I can't actually tune to?

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juski:

you could always hand-edit the /etc/group file

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gardengnome:

fascinating how annoying these GUI tools can be. "man 5 group" ought to be provide enough information

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juski:

Wibble-: you using xmltv?

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gardengnome:

AMD-: read "man usermod".

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Wibble-:

juski: yes I am

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Wibble-:

juski: and that doesn't have the excess channels in

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juski:

Wibble-: then don't be a lazy arse & say 'all' when you configure the tv grabber

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juski:

;)

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Wibble-:

lol :)

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juski:

FYI, the option to get channels from the listings source is really only for zap2it users

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Wibble-:

k

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juski:

although if you say 'all' to the xmltv config bit, then run mythfilldatabase it'll add all the channels anyway

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AMD-:

http://pastebin.ca/374918

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juski:

so delete all the channels, re-run the xmltv config bit and only config the channels you *have*

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juski:

yes I KNOW it's a pain in the arse & very boring but you only need do it once :-P

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Wibble-:

twice. I did it when I had 0.18 ;)

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juski:

and you didn't manage to do a smooth upgrade. awww

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juski:

AMD-: looks like there are users in the 'video' group now

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juski:

AMD-: so you can try mythtv-setup again :)

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AMD-:

i have not done any thing to it

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Wibble-:

Not completely smooth, no... I had to re-install my OS when I wanted to upgrade... although it does have a little to do with the dead hard disk

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juski:

pfft

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juski:

:)

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AMD-:

lol

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abisen:

what kind of player and hardware card do i need to buy so that i can play my movies / video's from my linux desktop and watch it on my TV (CRT)

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AMD-:

this is so confusing

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juski:

so your device is owned by the video group, mythtv & your user are in the video group.. I can't think what the problem is

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juski:

unless of course you're still running another app which is using the card when you run mythtv-setup of course

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AMD-:

not at all

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juski:

abisen: you need a video card with a TV out! amazing! awesome, even!!!!!!

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sandeen_:

behold, the infinite patience & enduring wisdom of juski....

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juski:

sandeen_: STFU!

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sandeen_:

hey it was supposed to be a comlement ;-)

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sandeen_:

compliment even

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juski:

don't mock me while I'm being nice. infact you should take a photo ;)

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juski:

AMD-: I'm stuck for ideas now. maybe needs a fresh set of eyes to look at the problem

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juski:

hmm wait a minute

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juski:

AMD-: mythbackend isn't running already is it?

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juski:

or mythtv-backend, as ubunut likes to call it

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AMD-:

no i stoed it

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AMD-:

stoped it

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AMD-:

maybe i can do it again

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AMD-:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop ??

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juski:

yup

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abisen:

juski: i have a SLI of nVidia Quadro FX 1400 but no TV out ... can i buy a card that just has TV out and is not a video card for DVI or VGA

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juski:

then ps -ef |grep mythbackend to verify it actually has stopped

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rsdvd_:

juski : I thougt you were having an IRC free evening ;-)

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juski:

abisen: not really. if your tv has no dvi or vga, you need composite or svideo output on the graphics card

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juski:

rsdvd_: yeah so much for that plan

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rsdvd_:

:-)

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juski:

mortgage papers are baffling

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juski:

but I'm less skint than I thought I was, I found out tonight :)

[22:01:38]

juski:

still fucking skintos though

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rsdvd_:

lol.....I would offer to help you – but you are a too far away

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AMD-:

7853 7168 0 22:02 pts/3 00:00:00 grep mythbackend

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kury:

is the Hauppauge PVR-350 capable of taking a digital cable input?

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abisen:

juski, is there a DVI to Svideo or DVI to composite connector ? I guess not

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abisen:

:)

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juski:

abisen: you can buy boxes that take VGA & turn it into a composite or svideo signal for a TV

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juski:

but they cost more than say a nvidia fx5200 or so

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abisen:

wow

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juski:

I'm amazed your ricer VGA card doesn't have TV out to be honest

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AMD-:

has it stoped 7853 7168 0 22:02 pts/3 00:00:00 grep mythbackend

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AMD-:

?

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juski:

kury: nope, and I wouldn't recommend anybody buy a pvr 350

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juski:

AMD-: looks like it

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AMD-:

thanks

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kury:

juski, where can I find a list of cards that can take digital cable input?

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juski:

AMD-: here's a tip: see how the only process it found was the grep command? ;)

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juski:

kury: the wiki at linuxtv.org, and I believe the faq for this channel amazingly enough!

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AMD-:

i see i have an i da brb

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AMD-:

i have an idea

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juski:

gah I can't find any of my many USB sticks :(

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kury:

juski, is it a dvb I'm looking at/for?

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rsdvd_:

juski : did you get a chance to try my minimyth ?

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juski:

rsdvd_: see above ^^^

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juski:

kury: digital cable == dvb-c

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kury:

juski, why don't you like the pvr 350 card?

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rsdvd_:

usb stick ? why do you need that?

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kury:

juski, what dvb-c card would you recommend?

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juski:

kury: but bear in mind that most digital cable is encrypted, and depending on where you live you might not be able to buy suitable hardware to decode it. some encryption schemes are propriatary

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juski:

kury: the pvr350's hardware decoding isn't all it's cracked up to be, for one thing. and it's expensive. you can buy a nvidia card with tv out & a pvr150 card for less, usually

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kury:

juski, gotchya..

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rsdvd_:

also, hasn;tthe 350's development stopped? Ithoguth I read that the tv-out driver was no-longer being maintained?

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juski:

add to that the fact that pvr350 decoder support in mythtv may not work anymore, and add the fact that if you play xvid or any non-mpeg2 format the audio won't come out of the card, nor will it use the hardware decoder

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juski:

also don't forget to add that if you want lovely surround sound the pvr350 is useless for that...

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juski:

rsdvd_: need a usb stick to make my box booty :)

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rsdvd_:

juski : on the subject of surround sound – i was banned from buying a 500 quid AV amp :-(

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juski:

rsdvd_: !!! the money you bring home.. no mortgage. jesus

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rsdvd_:

I 'dd' a copy of etherboot onto the DoM

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juski:

although you just got a 50" telly

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juski:

rsdvd_: my DoMs are missing in action

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rsdvd_:

just cause I have no mortgage – don;t mean I bring home much money

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rsdvd_:

I have a tight boss.....refuses me a raise (oh that's me – I work for myself)

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** juski laughs **

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rsdvd_:

:-)

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juski:

I need to stop having to spend £200 a month on petrol

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rsdvd_:

work from home like me – I spend about 200 quid a year

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juski:

I wish!

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rsdvd_:

anyway – I am off to watch another film on the 50'' TV :-) if you make any progress or need any info/help with S100 – I will be back in an hour or so

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juski:

"hello hello.. rosemary the telephone operator... how may we help you with your mythtv problem?"

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juski:

I'd need to bandage my head to stop all the blood vessels bursting

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AMD-:

no luck guys

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AMD-:

ohh well

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rifter374:

I know this isn't exactly a mythtv question, but it pertains to the DB. I've been using phpMyAdmin to monitor the mythconverg db and I've just kind of ignored the fact that there's an error at the bottom of the page that says, "Your configuration file contains settings (root with no password) that correspond to the default MySQL privileged account. Your MySQL server is running with this default, is open to intrusion, and you

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vegeat:

my mythtv doesnt auto transcode, i must be doing something wrong

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vegeat:

can someone help?

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AlexI:

hello – ppl on v4l told me that raw framegrabber is not good for recording and that i'd get a better explanation of why here

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AlexI:

is recoding from a raw capture card (saa7134 etc) and then encoding as high bitrate mpeg2 in software any different in quality from recording mpeg2 from a hardware encoder like pvr150/250 ?

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AlexI:

assuming the system has enough processor horsepower to do it, of course

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hjohnson:

AlexI: it boils down to cpu usage, bus latencies, and also how easy it is to keep the audio and video in sync

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AlexI:

hjohnson: ok

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AlexI:

hjohnson: aside from wintv pvr150/250/350, any other recommended cards?

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hjohnson:

the pvr500? :)

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AlexI:

ok, i mean aside from pvr-anything ;)

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hjohnson:

AlexI: not really, there are a few other cards out there with the same chipset..

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hjohnson:

but if you're looking at digitizing analog cable, those are pretty much the cards to get.

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AlexI:

i've used that entire line (not the 500 though) – they work pretty well, i guess i was just wondering if there's anything else out there

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AlexI:

ok, good to know

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hjohnson:

the 500 is just two 150s built onto a single PCI slot.

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hjohnson:

it litterally is two 150s too, with a pci-pci bridge on it and an RF splitter before the twin tuners.

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vegeat:

Can anyone help me figure out why recordings are not auto transcoding?

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fryfrog:

can anyone tell me why only 1 out of 2 identical air2pc cards would get detected?

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fryfrog:

I just swapped my motherboard out from under ubuntu, and asside from one of the cards not having its front end detected it is going pretty well

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fryfrog:

http://pastebin.ca/375040

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fryfrog:

is dmsg output

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fryfrog:

The only thing I can think of is that one of them doesn't like sharing IRQs. I have all but 1 pci slot filled :/

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Mersault:

is there any easy way to make the mythmusic visualizer just launch xscreensaver?

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daviey:

Mersault, not AFAIK – Although a worthy mod if you fancy getting into the code

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daviey:

I believe i was told that mythmusic was getting a major overhaul over the summer tho

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Mersault:

unfortunately, I don't have the time to go code diving. I got xscreensaver set up with electric sheep, and I think it would make a great music visualization (I know it doesn't use input from the music, I don't care)

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JohnFlux:

Hey all

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JohnFlux:

can mythtv detect radio ads as well? :-)

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JohnFlux:

I've been listening to digital radio, but I just cannot take the ads any more

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NightMonkey:

(A bit late to discussion) Heh, I love the PVR-350's decoder output, with my setup (SD only, no surround sound). Crystal clear svideo goodness. I did some unscientific comparisons of my live sat input vs Myth, and with high bitrates could see no difference (on a Sony WEGA 27" SD CRT-TV).

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