Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, February 26th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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juski:

I don't care if I AM a prick about it

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livingtm:

i see that

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juski:

the little bit of development I do from time to time I've grown to appreciate the value of 'user input'

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juski:

sorry we're not all ass-kissers :)

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livingtm:

I jus think its funny that you can watch live TV, youcan Pause live tv, you can rewind live tv, and you can watch it at 1.2 speed, but if you leave and then come back, its LOST.

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juski:

huh?

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juski:

no it's not

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juski:

that's how it used to be in 0.19, but not now

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livingtm:

whats the fundamantal difference between a PVR and a VHS anyhow? besides the media

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juski:

all live tv is treated as a programme recording, on a programme boundary basis – or if you're recording from a source without EPG data – hourly segments

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juski:

with a pvr there's no 'record' button per se

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juski:

VCRs don't operate on a 'record this show' basis

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livingtm:

yes they do

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juski:

no they don't

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juski:

you tell them to record a channel between certain times

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livingtm:

there are codes published in the tv schedules taht you can enter into your VCR

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juski:

videoplus isn't what mythtv is doing

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juski:

anyway rather than getting into a semantics issue, just take my tip

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livingtm:

you used the VCR vs PVR as the crux of your arguement.. you cant jsut blow it off

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livingtm:

im trying to see your viewpoint

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livingtm:

i see the pvr as an enhanced vcr, not a totally different beast

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livingtm:

unless im totally misunderstanding something

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juski:

mythtv was never intended to be a replacement for a common-or-garden VCR with simple record & stop buttons

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juski:

you tell it to record a show, or record between two times

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livingtm:

and why was that feature removed from a machine that basically already does taht and a hell of a lot more

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juski:

no idea

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juski:

personally I couldn't care less. there are ways around it – I've told you one

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livingtm:

in fact, that almost seems like it was step #1

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livingtm:

juski, anyhow, didnt mean to get a rise out of you, just thought I was missing something. Interesting debat none the less

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juski:

it's one thing that keeps popping up from time to time and it bugs me that people don't see this amazing project that does so much for er.. let's see.. how much input from a user and costs er.. so much money – programmed & supported out of the kindness of the community & yet people want *more*

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Milosch:

of course they want more

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daviey:

livingtm, i would like to see a mythCamcorder plugin that allows easy importing and simple editing; but AFAIK it aint gonna happen anytime soon.

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juski:

ungrateful feckers

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juski:

cat /dev/video0 > camcorder.mpg

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GreyFoxx:

juski: That is exactly what I did when I've archived VS tapes

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GreyFoxx:

err VHS

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livingtm:

GreyFoxx, you mean im not the only one who would like such a feature??? holy shit

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daviey:

juski, i get that; but the goal of mythtv project was a convergence box. Why not converge dumping and cutting from camcorder?

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GreyFoxx:

livingtm: No, I didn't say I wanted such afeature

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livingtm:

daviey, there are miniDV / firewire libraries out there

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juski:

you know *why* there's no such thing yet? because nobody who can program has yet made one

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daviey:

juski, cba

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GreyFoxx:

I just said that the 2 times in the last 3+ yers using myth that I wanted to archive a VHS tape I just used the commandline

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livingtm:

GreyFoxx, but you wanted to do it....

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GreyFoxx:

I certainly don't see it usefull enough to write in support for it

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livingtm:

my point is that its not a useless feature

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juski:

and I'm sorry on behalf of the developers if they can't be bothered to implement features they a) don't want or b) can't see the use for

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daviey:

GreyFoxx, agree

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juski:

I'm also sorry this isn't one of those projects where developers kiss the users' asses & immediately jump to making changes like er.. well certain other projects I could mention

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livingtm:

Well, a convergence box would be handy as hell if it would import the dozens of miniDV tapes I have of my kids, and be able to recall them in the video section

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daviey:

I use console or other apps for doing things like that; but i can see a use for a pluggin.

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livingtm:

juski, thats really not my intention at all

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GreyFoxx:

Any feature will be useful to someone, the trick is finding one that is either usful to alot of people or that the person writing the code finds useful regardless of how many others would find it useful

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livingtm:

Yeah the average joe home owner loves the unix commandline

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livingtm:

especially when they have to shut down the mythbackend to free up their tunercard

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juski:

there are already too many features IMHO – or at least way too many fscking setup options & menu items/pages

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GreyFoxx:

livingtm: You don't have to shut it down if nothing is currently being recorded

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daviey:

How many myth'ers use mythFlix or mythGame? not many i'll bet; but the coder obv. does ;) thats the key

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juski:

it's an intellectual democracy

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GreyFoxx:

daviey: I use mythgame quite a bit, that or my guests do

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daviey:

GreyFoxx, then you can come around and config mine; i cba

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daviey:

i want to use it, but not enough to work out how to configure mame

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livingtm:

juski, its a democracy where ecveryone with an idea gets bitched at and told to take a hike!

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juski:

livingtm: aha no!

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juski:

patches are always welcomed

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GreyFoxx:

daviey: I don'y use mame hehe

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daviey:

livingtm, you described UK politics to a treat

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livingtm:

daviey, i dont think its limited to the UK :-)

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juski:

I hated all the mythtv themes & couldn't be arsed to wait for a decent one to come along so I made one

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GreyFoxx:

daviey: Hehe I'm, usually playing snes stuff

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juski:

then recently I found a limitation in the theme UI code, so I dug in & patched for it

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Zider:

this is a bit offtopic, but.. does anyone here use initrd, preferrably with dmcrypt, and feel like sending his initrd file so I can take a look at it? mine refuses to work :(

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daviey:

juski, care to share what the limitation was?

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juski:

just get off you asses & do something instead of just making 'suggestions'. actions speak much louder than words

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juski:

daviey: it was a piss-simple thing that a non-coder like me could fix – sorting it out only involved a bit of copy/pasting

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livingtm:

juski, well if all the programming in the world was definied by coders, you guys would all be coding your way around inside of a paper bag

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juski:

but it's the whole principle of it

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clever_ is now known as clever

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juski:

"it would be good if..." is all fucking well & good but it's not even a proper outline of how something would operate, nor does it give any insight into how it should be accomplished

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daviey:

livingtm, thats fair enough if the project was funded. It aint; so it's driven by excitement

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GreyFoxx:

livingtm: I have no problem with suggestions or ideas. My problem si with people who (not talking about you) who get pissy or moan because noone agrees with their idea or volunteers to make it a reality

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GreyFoxx:

I can't think of everything, and if someone comes up with an idea I like I'll implement it

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daviey:

Trouble is the dedicated dev's have a list as long err, something long

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GreyFoxx:

but if I don't find it interesting and they get pissy then they get ignbored

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livingtm:

I wasnt even asking for a function.. i was just asking if it was missing or hidden :-)

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livingtm:

cause i couldnt find it

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juski:

livingtm: and I gave you an answer

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livingtm:

juski, thank you. you ARE the man.

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GreyFoxx:

well, now we are talking about the philosphy of user input to features added, not your specific instance :) At least I am :)

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** daviey fetches the fire extinguisher **

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juski:

and yes something like this is always a hot issue – and it's not gonna go away

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hardnova:

well i built my own irtransmiter in about 5mins , the Ir reciver took a bit longer but both are working , I am now wondering how to use multiple ir transmiters to control two identical tuners I figure I can some how send to one or the other

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livingtm:

juski, ive found lots of times (not with a VCR) that i wanted to just record a tidbit and be able to recall it from the recordings section

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blackest:

I just got mythtv going at last and got the frontend working on my laptop :) I know its pointless saying this but i have been trying over a week :)

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livingtm:

not saying you need to go do it.. just saying i dont think its necessarily fundamantally different than a PVR

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daviey:

hardnova, use seperate ports?

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juski:

livingtm: you can do that with your 'record' button. then find the recording in 'watch recordings' & flag it to be kept

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juski:

sometimes I feel like I'm the only person here who's ever read the manual just for kicks

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hardnova:

daviey yes it may be as simple as that im not sure but seeing that each unit consumes a serial port that seems to use alot of resources

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juski:

and sat down & played with mythtv when I'm bored – seeing how stuff works

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livingtm:

juski, you just might be

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daviey:

livingtm, i agree the principles are the same; but it's much handier to be able to press one button halfway through a programme and have the whole thing (including the beginning) recorded. Then you can trim more precisely and trans-code. If myth ever does go mainstream (or more than the advanced user) then we really can't have too many options

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juski:

hell today I even dusted off XBMC just out of curiosity to see if it'd find mythtv's unpnp server

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Dibblah:

Can't have too many options? _12_ pages deep...

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hardnova:

I am thinking of using CTS to toggle one or the other thus only needing one instance and one serial port

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juski:

it didn't & I don't know what I can do about that yet, but it'd be nice to sort that out

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daviey:

hardnova, i think it may end up being more complicated using the same port. If your short on serial ports; use a usb->serial adapter

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juski:

Dibblah: last time I went on a screenshot expedition I called it a day after 164

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Dibblah:

Quite a few of them are unecessary, too. Fonts, for example.

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juski:

oh wait – that was one of the google SoC goals which came to nought. back to the drawing board then... rationalise the menus etc ;)

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livingtm:

daviey, i tend to agree with you.

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juski:

when more of the bigger problems are sorted out I can envisage there being a feature freeze for a while – or at least that's what I hope for

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daviey:

Mind you, i wouldn't object to a 'Wish List' – might even give some of us ideas that want to do something significant but don't want to tread on toes

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Dibblah:

daviey: Look on the wiki.

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Dibblah:

It already exists.

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juski:

daviey: there's already one – and it's chock full of fucktarded, lame ideas

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livingtm:

Ill start developing here as soon as i figure out my priorities, and what already exists.. nothing worse than ding something and finding out it was already done

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ackley:

juski: ++

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juski:

most of the better, more realistic ones are already implemented

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daviey:

That must be quite new; last i looked i was told that one wasn't wanted

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Dibblah:

juski: Apologies – Too many projects. Haven't got round to testing blootube-wide current yet :(

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ackley:

what about just cleaning up the wish list

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juski:

Dibblah: haha no worries

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juski:

ackley: send it to /dev/null

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Dibblah:

Another oddity I saw was the 'all tuners are busy' box.

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Dibblah:

But that's on the old version.

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ackley:

there's alot of stuff on there that already exists

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juski:

start rewriting mythmusic, make the OSD themable so we can cut down the options I don't want :-P

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Dibblah:

The OSD is themable?

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juski:

no it isn't

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daviey:

seems, at least, one HTPC alternative has integrated YouTube playing; but the quality is lame

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juski:

you can't cut the number of menu options down to options you actually *use* or *want*

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Dibblah:

Ah. You mean the tuning indicators stuff, etc...?

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Dibblah:

Oh. The menu.

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juski:

and it'd be nice to er.. make it look prettier :)

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GreyFoxx:

daviey: One thing I'd love to do is write some interface to the Apple/Quicktime movie trailors

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Dibblah:

GreyFoxx: It exists for Google previews...

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daviey:

juski, of course you can!! Just takes a little editing of the XML scripts. Everybody can do that. Even your mother in law ;)

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Dibblah:

However, it currently doesn't work ;)

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GreyFoxx:

Never heard of google previews hehe

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Dibblah:

daviey: I'd suggest finding out who you're talking to ;)

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Dibblah:

GreyFoxx: In mythnews.

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juski:

daviey: a a aaaa! no you can't. I've made OSD themes remember. you cannot modify how the OSD menus look

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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daviey:

juski, sorry i thought you mean't the normal menu

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juski:

what?!

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GreyFoxx:

I was thinking something that would list them and play them or auto download them in the background for you so you could play them local

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juski:

grandmother or yours knows how to suck eggs? don't talk to me about theming the GUI man!

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Dibblah:

GreyFoxx: Sorta. It's download-on-request currently.

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juski:

obviously my reputation is waning

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Dibblah:

(In SVN only, of course)

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juski:

preferably create debs? pfft

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daviey:

juski, your hardcore if you don't respect

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daviey:

Dibblah, i know who juski is; his blootube is my fav theme

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juski:

2 years ago I'd probably have had a different opinion but now... if you want it so bad, get the source & make it yourself

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Dibblah:

Yup. You'll break things if you try to do lib updates, generally, but apps should be OK.

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juski:

I see two halves to the linux community

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Dibblah:

Unless, of course, you have revdep-rebuild.

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daviey:

bearded and unbearded

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Dibblah:

tops and bottoms.

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juski:

one half is the true part, which both contributes & realises the work that has gone into the project

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Dibblah:

givers and recievers.

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juski:

the other half is a bunch of needy whiny bastards

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daviey:

juski, you mean the >3 *nix machines in the house and the dual booting win/linux?

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Dibblah:

Harrumph. I'm not that whiny.

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juski:

oops

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Dibblah:

Okay. Maybe I am :)

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juski:

I meant the first half *either* contributes *or* realises the work that goes in and appreciates it

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daviey:

juski, i think i found so frustrating was the leap between being a user and *wanting* to get into development. There is no support for those with coding skills to become developers

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juski:

what?!

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daviey:

goto 10

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daviey:

juski, i'm not talking about mythtv per sa

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daviey:

linux in general

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juski:

hmmm let me see.. I wanted to change the way a part of mythtv's code worked, knew nothing about c++ or qt.. read the source, asked questions, had some amazing guidance on syntax & all sorts

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juski:

swallow the pride, do some homework & ask intelligent questions

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daviey:

exactly, you got the guidance!!

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juski:

that last part is probably the hardest part

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Dibblah:

Yup. It's all about the willingness to ask when necessary, but just get on with it otherwise.

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juski:

I think what scares too many people is that they don't see the distinction between asking for a feature & asking for help to do it themselves

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daviey:

juski, i tried to get into developing the asterisk project; and boy oh boy – there is no guidance/support

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juski:

an example I'd possibly give of being too far the other way is jokosher

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daviey:

haha, you mean the offical lugradio project

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daviey:

every episode they talk about it

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daviey:

juski, when you made the change to the myth src code, did you feel entirely comfortable commiting it?

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juski:

I've stopped listening to it – as big & clever as all the swearing is, it's not my kind of scene

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clever:

?

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hardnova:

differnt IR recievers have differrnt codes ?

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clever:

diff devices listen for diff sets of codes

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juski:

of course I felt comfortable about submitting it

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juski:

not 100%, but pretty much

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daviey:

juski, at work; i get assigned a bug, i fix it and commit. If i'm building a new feature, i have been given that and i commit. What gives me the right to commit a fix on what the original dev thought was a 'feature'.

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hardnova:

differnt devices run on differnt frequencies , but a remote gives one set of codes so the serial version should accept the same codes as the Imon reciever , but im thinkin that the imon translates

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juski:

hardnova: the majority of IR remotes work on a 38khz carrier. it's the protocols & codes that tend to vary a lot

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juski:

daviey: tough call – depends on whether the original dev thinks your code offers something new

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daviey:

juski, with the beryl project – i have added a button to the themer to refresh the theme; it's not elegant but it works; Do i commit it and wait for somebody to make it better?

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juski:

in my case I was adding something to make it look prettier

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hardnova:

i have one Imon remote and i built a serial reciever yet the codes that the serial reciever accepts for say the play button are different to the code set that the imon reciver has

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hardnova:

does that make sence ?

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juski:

daviey: I'd say go for it

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daviey:

juski, on another note, i find looking at pure uncommented C hard to follow; would it be reasonable to go through and add comments?

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hardnova:

i have had to add an additional set of codes in /etc/lircd.conf for the same remote but via a different reciever

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juski:

the difference with me is that I'm not just some random bloke. I'm er.. for all my sins fairly well known around here

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daviey:

(which i know you hate) ;)

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clever:

hardnova the freq of the 2 receivers could be diff causing the codes to appear diff

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juski:

nah what I hate is people coming directly to me with issues

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hardnova:

clever how do you ajust the freq ?

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daviey:

i hate the misses coming to me with 'issues'

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juski:

like I'm the only person who knows what's going on – which couldn't be further from the truth

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clever:

the freq is part of the remote and ic in the receiver

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clever:

dont beleive it can be changed

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clever:

enless you get a diff receiver ic which matches the other one

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juski:

in hindsight I wish the 'current' me could do the LRL interview again. oh boy would that be different

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clever:

ive also read that if the ic doesnt match the freq of the remote it will harm your range

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hardnova:

clever that is quite possible so there is a ic in the IR led

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clever:

the ir led doesnt have an ic in it

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juski:

that one is still proving to be a hard one to let go. god knows I'm trying (very trying ;) )

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clever:

the chip in the remote is where the freq comes from i think

[00:57:56]

clever:

and the receiver ic is tuned to accept that freq bext i think

[00:58:22]

daviey:

juski, i haven't heard the interview; must find it

[00:59:00]

juski:

watch it! don't just listen to it. see me squirm!

[00:59:44]

daviey:

must dl it

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juski:

looking back if I'd thought about it & realised it'd never EVER go away I wouldn't have agreed to it. I pretty much regret doing it now

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hardnova:

clever if thats the case then the codes from the same remote should be the same on both recievers , i would thus assume that the IR led has a micro ic in it , its quite large for just a led , and the other ones i took out of old TV's seem to be a little LED with a small chip

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clever:

how many pins on the IR LED?

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hardnova:

3

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clever:

that doesnt sound right:P

[01:01:21]

clever:

led's have 2 pins

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hardnova:

and the schmatic calls it an IC

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daviey:

hardnova, if it helps... For xmas, my daughter bought me an IR tin can alley. On xmas day i tried to record the pistol to turn off the tv. Didn't work; on every shot it was a different code. Seems it was just an IR led that went on and off

[01:01:38]

hardnova:

yes leds have 2 pins

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clever:

led==light EMITING diode

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clever:

the sender/transmiter

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daviey:

they don't call you clever for nothin

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hardnova:

but there are multicolour leds that have 3 pins

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clever:

hardnova seems to be saying his led has 3 pins:P

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clever:

ahh yeah multicolor ones would have more then 2

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daviey:

hardnova, thats two leds's in one i belive

[01:02:48]

clever:

but an irled shouldnt have multiple colors id think

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hardnova:

that is correct

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clever:

its also simple to get 2 colors in 2 pins

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daviey:

juski knows all about led's from what he was saying earlier this week

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clever:

just internaly wire them oposite ways

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hardnova:

thats why I assume there is an embeded ic

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clever:

i think ive found a bug in storage groups

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clever:

its not auto expiring files from the 2nd disk when its low on space

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daviey:

clever, is it removing it from the db but leaving it on the disk?

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clever:

neither

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clever:

exists in both places and the disk is down to 96mb free

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daviey:

oh, i found over 28gig in orphaned recordings the other day

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clever:

and it keeps my main at 3gig free before i added the other drive

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clever:

my main is down to 3gig so it hasnt filled the main enough to auto expire from it yet

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daviey:

hang on, you have >1 drive and it isn't in LVM?

[01:08:29]

clever:

my root is ext2 directly on a partition

[01:08:36]

clever:

i recently freed my 20gig partition up

[01:08:42]

clever:

same disk

[01:08:55]

clever:

instead of converting the ext3 to a ext3 in lvm

[01:09:05]

clever:

i just used the free partition for a currently 1pv lvm setup

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blackest:

any uk users here ?

[01:09:24]

clever:

im planing to add 2 more drives later to extend the 20gig partition

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mboso:

I'm having trouble getting myth to work with my remote. How can i put myth in debug mode to see if anything is happening when i press a button.

[01:09:37]

daviey:

blackest, yes

[01:09:56]

daviey:

mboso, have you configured lirc?

[01:10:08]

blackest:

i've got mythtv running but i cant seem to get any epg info from radio times site

[01:10:32]

daviey:

blackest, have you set it up?

[01:10:47]

mboso:

daviey: yeah, it works. When i run mode2, I can see the hex codes. and mythtv is setup to use lirc natively. I can see in the termial output that is has loaded the lircrc file

[01:10:48]

daviey:

have you set the XMLID in the db?

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blackest:

i think so

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clever:

daviey its currently a 1 disk box with a non lvm root(52gig) and a single(20gig) partition in lvm

[01:11:17]

daviey:

mboso, why use mode2. AFAIK thats a last resort

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blackest:

ive run this and it hasnt finished yet sudo /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend

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blackest:

channel C1961.radiotimes.com mentioned in /home/mythtv/.mythtv/uk_rt.xmltv but not on site

[01:11:25]

blackest:

channel C1959.radiotimes.com mentioned in /home/mythtv/.mythtv/uk_rt.xmltv but not on site

[01:11:25]

blackest:

channel C1956.radiotimes.com mentioned in /home/mythtv/.mythtv/uk_rt.xmltv but not on site

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mboso:

daviey: just used that to make sure that the remote is working

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daviey:

blackest, they have renamed them i believe – from the Cxxxx

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blackest:

ah what do you suggest i need to do

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daviey:

mboso, try irw

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blackest:

i guess i could edit them out the xmltv file

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daviey:

blackest, well if you only have a couple, the majority will work. You can either trace from the db what the cxxxx is or wait for it to finish. When you know what channel i would google to find your new one

[01:14:23]

daviey:

or, there is a switch for xmltv that will output all recognised ones

[01:15:37]

mboso:

daviey: I thought I didn't need irw because I have myth setup to work with lirc natively

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blackest:

how long should it take daviey ?

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daviey:

mboso, AFAIK natively means you don't need ircmd;

[01:17:02]

daviey:

mboso, irw will check to make sure the commands are recognised. it will show you what button you have pressed 'Ie PLAY'#

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daviey:

blackest, quite a while; it's a 3am cron job ;)

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mboso:

daviey: ah, I see

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blackest:

ok so i should just get some kip and see if the listings are done in the morning

[01:18:03]

mboso:

daviey: running irw now, but nothing happens when i press a button. guess I'm missing something somewhere

[01:18:14]

daviey:

mboso, the lirc comes in two parts. the 'remote' file with the codes and the file that points the codes to friendly button names

[01:18:25]

daviey:

for each app

[01:18:53]

daviey:

actually i've made that sound a little confusing

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daviey:

blackest, i think you want /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk_rt --list-channels

[01:19:27]

mboso:

daviey: yeah, the lircd.conf, and the lircrc.

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daviey:

mboso, sure they are set up properly

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hjohnson:

tough to have a SATA raid running when you forget to build in sata support

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fryfrog:

haha

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mboso:

daviey: no. I am checking that now.

[01:20:22]

jpe-nyc:

Hello to all and to all a good whatever time of day it is....

[01:20:27]

jpe-nyc:

How do I turn off VBI?

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daviey:

mboso, cat /dev/lirc (or whatever device) works when you press remote?

[01:22:59]

mboso:

daviey: yeah, it does. its unreadable, but somehting happens everytime i press a remote button

[01:23:17]

daviey:

thats correct

[01:23:58]

daviey:

did you do irrecord or find the relevant lircd.conf?

[01:24:44]

mboso:

daviey: no, i just pulled my lircrc and lircd.conf files for my remote off the net.

[01:25:45]

mboso:

daviey: maybe i should use irrecord, and record a couple of keys just to make sure it works.

[01:26:18]

daviey:

sure your conf is for the correct remote? Sure they share the same 'button names'? did you plonk it in /etc/lircd.conf or /etc/lirc/lircd.conf?

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daviey:

mboso, good idea?

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mboso:

i put it in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf then symlinked it from /etc/

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daviey:

goood

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mboso:

daviey: the button names may not match. I need to check that. didn't think of that.

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daviey:

yeah, i had a problem of the 'record' button not working; it was a name mismmatch

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daviey:

mboso, before you get on to mythtv; irw should recognise the button presses

[01:31:21]

mboso:

I see.

[01:31:59]

daviey:

mboso, you have started the lircd daemon, right?

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mboso:

ah, I get nothing

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daviey:

maybe you should try irecord

[01:36:03]

daviey:

seems to be a problem with your cconf

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mboso:

if i do irw without sudo I get permission denied

[01:36:53]

daviey:

thats odd, maybe i chmod my /dev

[01:37:15]

daviey:

or +s my irw

[01:37:19]

daviey:

i canny remember

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daviey:

what remote are you usiing?

[01:38:02]

mboso:

i just chmode my irw

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mboso:

i'm using the soundscap imon

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mboso:

sounscope? soundscape?

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daviey:

try irrecord

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mboso:

k, give that a try now

[01:38:45]

daviey:

i would recommend you don't use irrecord, unless it complains

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daviey:

sorry

[01:39:00]

daviey:

i mean't mode2

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daviey:

don't use mode2 unless it complains

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** daviey needs sleep; it's nearly 2am **

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mboso:

daviey: goodnight, I appreciate your help

[01:40:13]

daviey:

juski, did you go to bed and not say gooodnight?

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daviey:

mboso, i'lll be here for 10 more minutes... watching

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mboso:

cool. trying irrecord

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mboso:

ok, got output form irrecord. now i'm going to put it in etc and try irw again

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daviey:

good o

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blackest:

thanks for help daviey got some epg info but nothing coming up when i am watching tv

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daviey:

blackest, on no channels?

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daviey:

the OSD shares the same info as the EPG

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mboso:

fing beautiful 000000028b595b7 00 1 imon

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mboso:

:-)

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mboso:

nice

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daviey:

tv_grab_uk_rt didn't throw any errors?

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daviey:

mboso, who's your daddy!

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blackest:

well example epg says there is a film on itv3 but the epg when i am watching itv3 says unknown

[01:51:27]

mboso:

daviey: your my daddy and my mommy

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mboso:

rock on

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mboso:

gonna try myth

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daviey:

mboso, you did it, not me

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daviey:

mboso, before you do

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daviey:

make sure the button names are common in both the conf and rc

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daviey:

blackest, that is really odd

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mboso:

woohoo!! works

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daviey:

sure the epg says something is on NOW and not another time?

[01:53:20]

daviey:

mboso, well done

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hjohnson:

ok, time to give this a whirl

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blackest:

hmm when i go back to the epg its reverted to unknown maybe its just because of using the radiotimes guide instead of the built in epg

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daviey:

blackest, have you disabled the freeview one; they might be fighting

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mboso:

daviey: really,really appreciate your help. good show old chap

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daviey:

mboso, i blame you though; i've just decided to irrecord a new remote i had for over a year

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hjohnson:

woot..

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blackest:

i don't think the freeview one is setup i think it takes a while to populate the epg over the network

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daviey:

freeview does take about an hour (or mine did); but if your using rt; you want freeview switched off

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blackest:

ok i dont think its on but i will investigate further tomorrow ... how many frontends can you use i've a mediamvc which i want to use as a front end

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daviey:

blackest, no limit (within reason)

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juski:

no limits are imposed by mythtv itself

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blackest:

ok least this works i tried kaffeines broadcast mode and it not only worked really badly it killed my net connection

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daviey:

juski, your awake

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juski:

barely awake

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juski:

half a bottle of red & some GTA action :)

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blackest:

ok got to sleep work in 4 hours

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blackest:

thanks for your help

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juski:

don't stay up late doing mythtv stuff

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daviey:

i bloody am

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juski:

I did that when I 1st started out. 4am bedtimes.. not good

[02:05:51]

daviey:

I'm not allowed in bed until i have done the ironing aswell.

[02:05:59]

juski:

took me hours to work out why errors from the patch command were saying 'l' is not a number

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daviey:

i'm well and truly under the thumb

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juski:

damn courier font!

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juski:

done the ironing already ;)

[02:06:36]

daviey:

thing is, i'm not new to myth. I've been using it for 20months or so

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daviey:

and at 2am i decided to record a new remote aswell

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juski:

just over 2 years 2 months for me, but feels like an eternity. dunno how the hell we coped with just one vcr

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daviey:

i meant to delete a season of episodes from mythvideo. So, i cd'd into it. Then for some reason went cd .. && rm -rf *

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juski:

haha I've done that

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juski:

only I did rm -rf /

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daviey:

nooo

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daviey:

as root?

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juski:

it didn't clear everything away but made my box pretty impotent

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hjohnson:

ok.. now mysql isn't starting up.

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juski:

time for me to go forth & multiply

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juski:

g'night

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daviey:

hjohnson, have you tried starting it manually?

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hjohnson:

daviey: turns out mysqld is nowhere to be found on my system?

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hjohnson:

odd.

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daviey:

hjohnson, are you using debian/ubuntu?

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hjohnson:

daviey: yeah

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daviey:

if so "/etc/init.d/mysql start"

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hjohnson:

debian/amd_64

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hjohnson:

daviey: no no.. the mysqld executeable no longer exists on my system after the most recent update. :)

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hjohnson:

someone broke something.

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** daviey always thought debian has the most reliable packages **

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hjohnson:

daviey: maybe not with debian/sid. :P

[02:13:04]

hjohnson:

ok, maybing doin ga find / on a multi-terabyte system is a bad idea.

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daviey:

did you try locate first?

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hjohnson:

yeah

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hjohnson:

but it found the stuff from the last update last night. :)

[02:16:12]

hjohnson:

for some reason the package wasn't installed...

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hjohnson:

go figure

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hjohnson:

alrighty

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daviey:

trific, now i have broken my lirc

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hjohnson:

yeay, i lives!

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daviey:

i've broken my batteries

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hjohnson:

er it

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hjohnson:

life is good... ohpefully this version of ivtv is more stable.

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hjohnson:

0.8.0 had problems with locking up when I was attempting to do livetv

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robbins876:

IMDB changed their pages format and now mythvideo doesn't get the film descriptions and such correctly... is there a fix for this?

[02:42:58]

hjohnson:

ok, swapping over to XFS

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hjohnson:

robbins876: yeah, it'd be nice if IMDB just exported things as a web service, but as though that will ever happen.

[02:43:30]

robbins876:

so, as of now there's no fix?

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robbins876:

how can i edit the database to add the information manually to my system?

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dj_segfault:

Hey. I'm trying to track down a problem with MythArchive (more on that later, if you'll help me) creating a DVD from recordings. The errors that get written to the screen don't end up on the command line stdout or in /var/log/mythtv/mythtv.log. But there doesn't seem to be a way to cut and paste them, either. Is there a way of copying them so I can accurately reproduce them in an email or IRC post?

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robbins876:

hjohnson: do you know how to edit a mysql database?

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hjohnson:

robbins876: sort of.

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robbins876:

...

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hjohnson:

it's all about issuing sql statements to the database.

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kormoc:

robbins876, you could just check svn.mythtv.org and look at the history on the imdb.pl file and notice that it was updated to support the new format... or you could screw up your database, up to you.

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hjohnson:

and that I don' tknow much about, other than how to do selects and what not.

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livingtm:

is there any way to highlight the pip window when it is active?

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robbins876:

kormoc: why must you be a sarcastic ass?

[02:49:02]

kormoc:

robbins876, then don't listen to me.

[02:49:55]

robbins876:

no, you're right

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kormoc:

robbins876, also, the answer to your question is covered in the channel faq, see http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Wh . . . .2Fdirect.3F

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robbins876:

i just think it's funny that you never help until it means that something might get messed up

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kormoc:

robbins876, meh, it's just cause that's when I noticed your question

[02:50:48]

robbins876:

oh

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robbins876:

i've never installed a patch, how do i go about doing this, kormoc?

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kormoc:

robbins876, you can just browse to the file via browse source and click onto it to view it, and then use the download link at the bottom of the page to download it all updated for you

[02:53:50]

robbins876:

ok, so i have imdb_fix.patch on my desktop, is that not what i need?

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kormoc:

it'd be eaiser to just grab the entire updated file

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robbins876:

alright

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robbins876:

so that's the "original file" link at the bottom of the page, correct

[02:55:28]

kormoc:

aye

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robbins876:

ok, so i got that file, now what do i do with it?

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kormoc:

copy it overtop of the one you currently have

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robbins876:

where is the one i have?

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robbins876:

i can't find it

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robbins876:

i'm looking for imdb.pl, correct? becuase i can't find it

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kormoc:

yes

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kormoc:

try locate imdb.pl

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robbins876:

thanks

[03:01:34]

robbins876:

alright, this file looks very much different than the one i just downloaded

[03:01:38]

robbins876:

thats' cool, right?

[03:02:26]

robbins876:

do i just replace this old one with the imdb_fix.patch?

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robbins876:

kormoc: i'm on the verge of messing something up, here

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defaultro:

hey folks

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defaultro:

what does NIB mean in ebay?

[03:07:37]

Krazylegz:

New In Box.

[03:07:57]

hardnova:

are there any quick launch keys in the myth main menu that say jump streight into DVD play or LiveTV ?

[03:07:59]

Krazylegz:

And...I got lost and ended up talking in this channel. :-)

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sperciba:

any Canadians in here?

[03:09:16]

doc|home:

sperciba: I'm living in canada

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defaultro:

Thanks Krazylegz :)

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Krazylegz:

No problem.

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kormoc:

robbins876, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . l?format=raw

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sperciba:

so is there a way to prevent mythtv from saving mpegs for every channel to disk?

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kormoc:

sperciba, nope

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sperciba:

wow

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sperciba:

that must be intense when you have 500 channels!

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sperciba:

how can the PC's that ppl report they're using keep up?

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kormoc:

sperciba, erm.. it only records one per tuner you have

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sperciba:

and is it supposed to just record whatever channel the device is tuned to?

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kormoc:

well, when you tell it to, yes

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sperciba:

because I'm using a free to air card and it creates mpegs for all of the channels

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kormoc:

that's just broken

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sperciba:

ok well that's good to hear at least

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sperciba:

as long as it's something I can fix

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kormoc:

it should only create files when it's recording something you told it to, or when you are watching livetv

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sperciba:

this is with livetv

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sperciba:

it's weird though

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defaultro:

hey guys, what's the best modchip for ps2? :)

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sperciba:

when I watch live tv the screen goes blue

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kormoc:

well, it will record a different file if you change channels

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sperciba:

but when I play the mpegs later with mplayer it works

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kormoc:

or change shows (show 1 ends, show 2 starts)

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kormoc:

defaultro, not really on topic in here, nor really entirely legal...

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

sorry bud

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sperciba:

do you know why the video doesn't display when watching live or watching the recorded file through mythtv but it works later with mplayer?

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kormoc:

sperciba, nopers, but if you run the frontend in a terminal window, it will output extra info and that might tell you

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sperciba:

oh yeah I tried that yesterday

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sperciba:

can't remember what the error is

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sperciba:

I'll have to reproduce

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sperciba:

2007-02–25 22:34:13.491 VideoOutputXv Error: CreateXvShmImages(): XvShmCreateImage() failed to create image of the requested size.

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sperciba:

anyone know what that is?

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sperciba:

I get that when trying to watch livetv

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lotia:

hi folks, how do i add time to an in progress recording?

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opello:

update the schedule to 'end x minutes late'?

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dj_segfault:

lotia: I'm curious, did that do it for you?

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[shodan]:

anyone knows how to encode from mythtranscode's pipe using mencoder ? I tried but even before it began I got errors

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[shodan]:

like this Cannot seek backward in linear streams!

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[shodan]:

Seek failed

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[shodan]:

xris, did you ever get mencoder and mythtranscode to play well together when you made nuvexport ?

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kormoc:

[shodan], nuvexport can use mencoder to export, yes.

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dsl3415:

yo

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dsl3415:

is the ATI TV Wonder 650 supported by MythTV?

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jpe-nyc:

can anyone tell my poor soul how to turn the vbi off?

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dsl3415:

seems oddly quiet here

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dsl3415:

what's vbi?

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xris:

dsl3415: linuxtv.org ?

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xris:

I think that's a bttv chipset, though, so it should work

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Dagmar:

Good luck calling your provider and getting them to turn off VBI in their signal

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dsl3415:

thx xris. i was asking because the ati 650 doesn't show in the mytytv capture card matrix

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xris:

dsl3415: if it's supported by v4l, it'll work with myth

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xris:

the trick is to figure out which driver it takes.

[07:33:10]

dsl3415:

is ivtv specific to hauppauge cards, or any with the same chipset?

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xris:

depends on the chipset.. it works with other brands, but I think requires the hauppauge firmware

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dsl3415:

dumb Q: what's v41

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Xteven:

video for linux

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xris:

the name of the "video for linux" driver

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xris:

ah

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xris:

copy-paste for the win. :)

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Dagmar:

it's those crap windows fonts

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bdale:

just freshened my system, and am having a truly bizarre problem... all is fine, except the G.A.N.T. theme shows icons but no text for menus. any clues about what to look for?

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Dagmar:

Yeah, turn off the GL paint engine

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bdale:

not using it

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Dagmar:

...and/or update your themes

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bdale:

just freshened release-20-fixes from svn and did a clean rebuild. didn't help.

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emja:

I've been googling around but can't find the answer. How do I run imdb.pl from the shell prompt and inject the result into the database? Translated; I want to do from the shell prompt what myth does when you select 'Search IMDB' or 'Manualy Enter IMDB #' in the video module

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emja:

ok then, where can I browse the relevant source code without downloading and installing a SRPM?

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emja:

dang it. they canned Studio 60

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rsdvd:

emja – to answer you earlier question the imdb script is a perl script in /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts (or similar depending your your installation)

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emja:

yep, I found it

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rsdvd:

:-)

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emja:

but I wanted to know how to inject the results into the database

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rsdvd:

I was only 1 hour late

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emja:

heh

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emja:

a heck of a lot earlier than anyone else

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emja:

;-)

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rsdvd:

:-)

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Dagmar:

I figured when you decided to actually _look_ for it, you'd find it.

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emja:

umm, I did actually look for it

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emja:

i take it that it should be obvious? not to me it hasn't been

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orko_:

hi

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orko_:

anybody using a pal tv ?

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orko_:

do i have to set the X server to use 720x576 or can is use also 800x600 or similar?

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orko_:

Another question. When i am running mythtv an my tv in 720x576 then the font of the EPG is very small. When i run it on my monitor in1024x768 the font is big.

[10:29:43]

orko_:

Why does the font change to small when using a smaller resolution. shouldn't it change to big to be bale to read stuff on TV

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daviey:

Using the Hauppauge WinTV-HVR1300? How many streams can you record at once?

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daviey:

ie 2 x analog, 2 x dvb and 1 x svideo?

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quicksilver:

I very much doubt it

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quicksilver:

the page I see at hauppage doesn't even suggest it's dual tuner

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quicksilver:

in which case I suspect the answer is 1 stream at once

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anykey_:

quicksilver: the pvr-500 has two analog and 2 compontent inputs, but you can only use two of all inputs at once... so I doubt that the HVR1300 is different.

[11:16:56]

quicksilver:

right

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quicksilver:

the pvr-500 is dual, so it can record 2 at once

[11:17:11]

quicksilver:

the hvr1300 doesn't even look dual, to me?

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daviey:

hang on

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anykey_:

quicksilver: me too, I don't think it's actually capable of recording two things at once

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quicksilver:

daviey: definitiely not 5 at once anyway :)

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quicksilver:

daviey: hybrid cards share a tuner between the analog and digital parts

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daviey:

hmm... i want a card that has 2 x digital and s-video

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quicksilver:

I'm not aware of any card that can record s-video at the same time as recording from a tuner

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anykey_:

just look at the pictures, you can clearly see two tuners on the PVR-500...

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daviey:

;(

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quicksilver:

that's a whole bunch of extra electronics that 99.999% of their audience would never use

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anykey_:

daviey: if you want to use 2x digital and 1x s-video at the *same* time, you'd need three cards, I think

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daviey:

anykey_, but the 500 at least; includes two digital cards so the maximum of cards i would need is 2 surely?

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daviey:

"Dual DVB-T tuner for your PC. Record up to two Freeview digital TV channels at the same time!"

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quicksilver:

I thought the 500 was analogue?

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quicksilver:

ah, the PVR-500 is analoge

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quicksilver:

the NOVA-T 500 is digital

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juski:

ps -ef |grep torrent

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cliche:

daviey: try the fusion dual digital

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daviey:

cliche, thanks

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rsdvd:

Hello Juski!

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juski:

what?

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daviey:

good morning juski

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juski:

is it friday yet? :)

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rsdvd:

Gues what! I have minimyth working on the S100 now :-)

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juski:

WAHEY!

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rsdvd:

:-)

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juski:

I knew you could do it

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daviey:

rsdvd, did you buy juski's s100?

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juski:

COUGH

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rsdvd:

Only the scart to get working (and WiFi maybe)

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rsdvd:

daviey : no – not yet :-)

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rsdvd:

I bought one on ebay

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juski:

wifi will be fun on a stick & not worth it

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rsdvd:

I know – but it would be nice for completeness sake to get it working eventually! for now ethernet is fine

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daviey:

rsdvd, juski doesn't think your capable of doing wifi

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rsdvd:

daviey : he is probably right

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rsdvd:

:-)

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daviey:

o_0

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juski:

no, I just think wireless is completely pointless

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daviey:

i agree; i was just teasing

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daviey:

juski, you went to bed last night; and didn't say goodnight. ;(

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rsdvd:

wifi would be nice though – then I can have a box whereever there is a TV without having to pull ethernet...but he bandwidth is probably not enough

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juski:

rsdvd: so where's the linky for the download?

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juski:

daviey: oooooooooooooooo

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juski:

I think I did. anyway put the handbag down

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rsdvd:

I am starting to write somthing up about what needs to be done......I can send you a link to the download – but I don;t have the bandwidth to make it public

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daviey:

rsdvd, thought about power over ethernet? That would be easyier; and you need a plug

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juski:

rsdvd: fair nuff. drop me an email. I'll have a go making scart out work

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rsdvd:

brilliant.....I will sort that out in a bit once I have done some work to actually earn some money :-) I seems to spend all my time mything

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juski:

I wonder if they've fixed the port definitions in the driver yet

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daviey:

/msg nickserv info superm1

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daviey:

doh

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juski:

daviey: tell him to fix that bloody password issue

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daviey:

haha, my boss sent me an IM last week with his password. He said "you should probably forget that"

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daviey:

i mean come on

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juski:

sackable offence, giving your password out ;)

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daviey:

sack windows then. ;) It was an IM window that grabbed focus when he was typing in a password for something else.

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Dagmar:

I *suspect* you might mean ethernet over power.

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Dagmar:

Power over ethernet doesn't really amount to much power. ;)

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juski:

haha yeah an s100 takes a wee bit too much juice for PoE

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Dagmar:

Unless, maybe your house is very dimly lit with LEDs.

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daviey:

Dagmar, yeah why not

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Dagmar:

Which, um... Well mine might as well be

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Dagmar:

I have LED nightlights in every wall socket (most of which change color)...

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daviey:

Dagmar, wish i was you ;)

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Dagmar:

All it takes is a complete disregard for fashion and a trusty landlord. ;)

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Dagmar:

er trusting landlord.

[12:09:00]

Dagmar:

I work nights so I have to keep the place dark during the day, and I don't much care for smashing my toes into things in total darkness

[12:10:49]

daviey:

juski, you were right about playing with myth when your tired. I managed to 'break' my batteries! Took them out of a working remote; put them into a different remote and they didn't work. Even when i put them back in the original

[12:11:46]

juski:

I remember trying to make sense of ALSA at 4am – it doesn't fscking make sense to me when I'm awake never mind at that time of day

[12:12:51]

rsdvd:

:-)

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[12:18:40]

juski:

like they'll allow non-drm streams

[12:18:59]

daviey:

why not?

[12:19:15]

daviey:

it's not like it's ppv

[12:19:39]

juski:

their own licencing agreements with other broadcast networks, for instance

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daviey:

Also, DRM uses more electricity. So they won't get the enviromental vote

[12:20:37]

rsdvd:

the bbc makes a ridiculous amount of money by selling its content to others – if they were to broadcast it frr onthe web then why would the american networks etc pay for it

[12:21:15]

juski:

why can't we just put a stop to all this fucking online rubbish anyway?

[12:21:17]

daviey:

rsdvd, same reason – not everyone uses a dedicated uk television torrent site!

[12:21:38]

juski:

watch again in a tiny low q. window. 'truly awesome'

[12:21:50]

rsdvd:

:-)

[12:21:50]

daviey:

juski, you mean the petitions and stuff or the IPTV stuff?

[12:21:59]

juski:

IPTV

[12:22:37]

daviey:

juski, for the same reason we don't use two water cups with a string tied between them anymore

[12:23:02]

juski:

current broadband models don't allow for it properly

[12:23:34]

juski:

download caps, nasty bandwidth issues..

[12:23:52]

daviey:

ntl are trialing 100mb bb

[12:24:23]

juski:

trialling it

[12:24:31]

juski:

doesn't mean it's going to happen for *years& yet

[12:24:37]

daviey:

oh i agree

[12:25:00]

juski:

I really hate the idea of watching stuff online because right now, it all sucks

[12:25:17]

daviey:

but within the next decade we will inevitably be fast broadband for all

[12:25:23]

pat___:

bollocks

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pat_:

I've had the same broadband for the last 10 years, and all it has got is cheaper

[12:25:59]

rsdvd:

daviey ; have they actually started the trial – the last I read they said they 'were going to start a trial'.......it could take another year or so to even start it

[12:26:21]

pat_:

they've just come out with adsl2 here, but realistly we're not going to get leaps and bounds happening in the next 10 years

[12:26:32]

daviey:

pat_, and before that you had dialup? At one time; who would have thought the average user would get over 5kb/s

[12:27:39]

juski:

oo the future's all shiny & spanky.. ooooo it's all about user-generated content. ooo let's hug swooshy IPTV bullshitters

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daviey:

rsdvd, spoke to the engineer yesterday who said it was going to be up north / telewest areas first. But TBH it won't be ideal. They will charge by dl amount rather than speed

[12:28:09]

juski:

ooo let's embace all the new restrively DRM'd 'Lost' repeats we can watch on 2" screens

[12:28:13]

rsdvd:

ouch

[12:28:18]

daviey:

i'm not saying it's all about user-gen content.

[12:28:41]

Dagmar:

Well, it is if you find blindness preferable

[12:29:07]

Dagmar:

The very idea of YouTube populating a broadcast medium with it's content gives me the shivers.

[12:29:19]

daviey:

IMHO, standard tv was first gen. PVR is second. But whats the point in having so much stuff on that your box is 'waiting' to record. Why not just download what you want?

[12:29:33]

juski:

sell the idea of IPTV to me. convince me

[12:29:48]

Dagmar:

daviey: Because that's a whole new method for people to make money

[12:29:52]

juski:

I don't want DRM shite. I don't want gaps in the playback. i don't want it to look like Lego

[12:30:02]

Dagmar:

They just haven't figured out (i.e., colluded) how to charge the most for it yet

[12:30:08]

juski:

exactly

[12:30:09]

daviey:

Dagmar, i agree

[12:30:15]

juski:

IPTV == the new cash cow

[12:30:48]

daviey:

But, with proper MD5 checking when the content is downloaded then it is as good as the original

[12:30:52]

juski:

look at all the hype surrounding Joost right now ffs

[12:31:05]

daviey:

i think Joost will blow

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pat_:

I figure in 10 years I won't watch any tv, if the effect myth has had on my watching habits continues

[12:31:41]

pat_:

not having to sit down for a show means that I usually don't bother

[12:31:50]

juski:

live tv is DEAD. it's a fact

[12:31:53]

daviey:

I'm not talking about streaming, i'm talking about actually having the file. There should be no re-encoding for transmission, like streaming models

[12:32:43]

daviey:

pat_, thats for you – i find i actually watch more of the stuff i choose to watch. Unfortunately that includes neighbours

[12:32:49]

juski:

I tried Virgin's on-demand stuff at the weekend

[12:32:56]

juski:

complete & utter pile of poo

[12:33:03]

janneg:

fcuk, the only german cable provider, which restrained to encrypt all its digital channels so far, has just announced to use NDS Videoguard soon

[12:33:17]

daviey:

wooho

[12:33:26]

** juski laughs **

[12:33:40]

juski:

that's gonna be SO caked

[12:33:59]

juski:

Murdosh totally deserves to be robbed that way

[12:34:46]

juski:

me? advocating cracking encripplements? with MY reputation?

[12:35:30]

** daviey watches the tumbleweed **

[12:36:01]

juski:

I forsee a dark time in the future where all media is delivered by very tightly controlled & monitored distribution systems, be they on-demand or stored in advance. I forsee not owing a TV, or *disc player

[12:36:25]

daviey:

juski, try polishing your balls

[12:36:31]

fryfrog:

we'll just horde our dvds and mp3s :)

[12:36:37]

daviey:

crystal balls that it

[12:37:04]

juski:

once murdosh has got everybody using NDS & has killed off his competition he's gonna do whatever the hell he likes – as he does now only more so

[12:37:17]

fryfrog:

NDS == nintendo ds?

[12:37:32]

daviey:

no

[12:37:33]

juski:

showing you adverts while you skip adverts? already patented by his companies

[12:38:08]

daviey:

the person sat in the cubical next to me, used to work for NDS; Incedently they have just taken over B&Q's headquaters

[12:38:36]

daviey:

juski, that patent wouldn't hold up to scrutiny

[12:38:59]

juski:

if I seem a bit full of doom & gloom today (as every day) it's only because I haven't got a valium suppository shoved in my crystal-ball receptacle

[12:39:13]

rsdvd:

LOL

[12:39:25]

daviey:

;)

[12:39:41]

juski:

ooo web 2.0, let's all hold hands & have an opensource beardy orgy

[12:39:55]

janneg:

oh, it seems that Videoguard CAMs do exist. they are just not freely available. scandinavian cable providers provide them for their customers

[12:40:07]

** rsdvd thinks juski is in a very synical mood today **

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daviey:

i forsee the future of adverts will be product placement and 5–10 second adverts in the middle of programms (not worth ff'ing)

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[12:40:28]

juski:

blipverts ftw!

[12:41:08]

daviey:

i agree; but as less people are watching conventional adverts; they will need to change. I hate the idea!

[12:41:34]

juski:

hey as soon as you get money involved it all starts going downhill – and no matter hjow much spin you put on the whole web 2.0 hype – somebody is trying to think of ways to become very rich off the back of it

[12:42:09]

juski:

give them it for free, make them want it, get them dependent on it... then start charging money

[12:42:29]

daviey:

of course; can i be any worse than what evian does? Hmm.. what does man need – water – lets make money

[12:43:18]

juski:

Coke are worse

[12:43:40]

janneg:

oh, the cable provider claims to use it only for pay services (video on demand, pay-tv channels)

[12:43:46]

rsdvd:

adverts will def become 'part of the show'....look at Truman show.....it was all 'toungue-in-cheek' product placement

[12:43:50]

daviey:

I am in no way advocating piracy, it's plain wrong. But the music & movie industry has learn't that you give people what they want for reasonable cost or they will do it illegally

[12:44:17]

juski:

take local water that folks need, purify it in plants where you pay workers a pittance, and (oh the irony) pollute the local water supply as you go

[12:44:31]

daviey:

winner

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juski:

daviey: the MP Ass of america still hasn't learned that

[12:45:07]

juski:

nor have the RIAA

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juski:

it's piss easy to get around DRM – so why have it?

[12:45:43]

daviey:

okay, but the music industry has. Look at napster. You can buy some tracks online for like 20–30 pence or something

[12:46:03]

juski:

hmm I want to distribute my Itunes downloads. burn them to CD, rip the CD.. job done

[12:46:13]

juski:

what DRM?!

[12:46:49]

daviey:

juski, simpler – hold a microphone upto the speakers ;)

[12:47:11]

juski:

I think there needs to be much more competition introduced into TV to challenge the likes of $ky

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** daviey spots IPTV coming over the hill **

[12:47:49]

juski:

the one GOOD thing I see about IPTV is that it'sgoing to be a much cheaper way for companies to get into it

[12:47:50]

daviey:

Ahoy

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juski:

the bad thing is that anybody can make as much as they want propriatary

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daviey:

juski, do you not think that VOIP is the future?

[12:48:46]

juski:

I don't have an opinion about VOIP

[12:49:01]

daviey:

owww, them splinters must hurt

[12:49:14]

juski:

I can't remeber the last time I used it – nor infact the last time I used a telephone

[12:50:01]

juski:

you must have me mistaken for someone who goes around looking at vaguely interesting things yelling about how 'awesome' they are ;)

[12:50:04]

daviey:

the alzheimer's is kicking in

[12:50:05]

rsdvd:

aww – you got no friends to call you?

[12:50:15]

juski:

it

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daviey:

juski, no digg for you

[12:50:24]

juski:

it's a tool, that's all

[12:50:50]

juski:

I'm pissed off that it's such a fucking hassle to setup

[12:50:59]

juski:

you need this box, that box, this software..

[12:51:09]

daviey:

VOIP?

[12:51:20]

juski:

means spending money in the outset

[12:51:25]

juski:

and time setting it up

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daviey:

can't the same thing be said for myth?

[12:51:49]

juski:

yeah but I don't speak to people much

[12:52:23]

daviey:

you don't need to; you can set up your own PBX and talk to the computer. Even play games with her

[12:52:38]

juski:

I don't have to listen to this

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daviey:

juski, are you getting annoyed?

[12:53:50]

daviey:

I'm sorry – i thought we were just having a discussion. We'll drop it

[12:53:56]

juski:

yes I'm getting anooyed

[12:54:52]

juski:

look – all this new stuff coming along that I couldn't give a RATS ARSE about – it's all well & good and frankly I don't care if I get 'left behind'

[12:55:13]

daviey:

juski, thats fine – lets drop it

[12:56:31]

juski:

somebody has to be cynical :-P

[12:58:18]

juski:

last thing I'll say about VOIP is that I wouln't trust it, or my mobile phone, with my life. still need a landline for emergency calls no matter how unlikely both failing would be

[13:02:36]

juski:

will mythtv work on this? http://www.umbongo.com/

[13:03:31]

rsdvd:

:-)

[13:12:27]

juski:

tumbleweeds anyone?

[13:12:59]

gardengnome:

no, i'm already making pizza.

[13:13:03]

Milosch:

crickets, even

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juski:

I dunno – slag off ubunut & you suddenly become a pariah

[13:15:41]

quicksilver:

*DING* *DING* UNCLEAN

[13:16:38]

fryfrog:

anyone watched jericho this season?

[13:21:05]

Milosch:

no

[13:21:44]

Milosch:

hrm, maybe i saw part of the first episode

[13:22:05]

fryfrog:

this season or last?

[13:22:21]

Milosch:

whatever the first season was, so i guess last

[13:22:22]

fryfrog:

i watched most of the first season... i think i only *liked* the first couple of eps :/

[13:22:36]

Milosch:

i grew weary

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vaineh:

are there any free to air HD channels in the uk yet?

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juski:

vaineh: nope, nor are there likely to be before 2012

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juski:

outside london I mean

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vaineh:

bummer

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juski:

and even then they've been broadcasting in h.264 which is nigh impossible to play on even a high end machine in linux

[13:24:41]

juski:

bummer? I don't think so, not with the current CPU requirements to play streams back ;)

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anykey_:

juski: maybe in 2012, the free codec will be faster, hopefully

[13:25:20]

juski:

maybe

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vaineh:

what about sky HD stuff? can the be received in mythtv?

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gardengnome:

janneg is making great progress on h.264 playback in ffmpeg. it'll be much better in 0.21

[13:25:53]

juski:

no

[13:25:58]

juski:

not now, not ever

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juski:

$ky HD on mythtv, not now, not ever

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fryfrog:

my name is earl

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fryfrog:

thats a funny show :)

[13:26:52]

fryfrog:

juski: why can't you hook up a sky box via svideo (or something) to a hardware mepg2 card?

[13:27:02]

fryfrog:

its not the prettiest solution, but it'd work eh?

[13:27:04]

anykey_:

vaineh: technically, you can. legally, you can't, so don't even think about it ;-)

[13:27:15]

juski:

because svideo isn't high definition!

[13:27:19]

fryfrog:

oh, course then it wouldn't

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fryfrog:

yeah

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fryfrog:

be HD :P

[13:27:34]

gardengnome:

anykey_: any response from mascom?

[13:27:35]

juski:

and $ky are evil

[13:27:39]

anykey_:

gardengnome: no :(

[13:27:51]

gardengnome:

anykey_: sad. i thought their costumer support was good.

[13:28:10]

anykey_:

gardengnome: well, I'll wait till the end of the week, then I'll send another mail...

[13:28:16]

juski:

these guys make me laugh

[13:28:20]

rsdvd:

gardengnome : were you here when I announced I got minimyth working on the S100 :-)

[13:28:20]

juski:

"make backup for easy!"

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juski:

anyway i never asked – how did you make it worky?

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rsdvd:

juski : trial and error – I build the local gar-minmyth and with help from Pablo got it working.....just fixing each error as it happened

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rsdvd:

To be honest – Pablo has done most of the work – and gar-minimyth has everything in it you need

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: YAY! does tv-out work?

[13:32:25]

rsdvd:

not yet – I think juski is going to help me with that bit :-) <wink>

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: how do you boot it? are you using nfs root?

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rsdvd:

yes – I have etherboot on a usb key which boots PXE...then it loads the rootfs via nfs

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gardengnome:

does it load the compressed rootfs via NFS or does it mount its root file system via nfs?

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rsdvd:

sorry – mount root filesystem (I think) ...... it must do cause the filesystem is open and not in a tar.bz2

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gardengnome:

yay :)

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gardengnome:

you can easily tell from the RAM usage

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rsdvd:

the RAM is vrey tight on this box – it is just sat in the main menu at the moment and it is using 102M (according to top)

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stuarta:

afternoon all

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: what theme? try iulius

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rsdvd:

'blue'

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rsdvd:

what is the least 'memory hungry' theme? ( I am guessing it is not blootube :-) )

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juski:

oh fuck off :-P

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: iulius.

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gardengnome:

14:26 < Falballa> gardengnome: 'ram' could be janne: in 1600x1200: Iulius: 51M, blue: 81M, minimalist-wide: 98M, mythcenter: 120M, blootubelite-wide: 174M, mythcenter-wide: 135M, MePo-wide: 170M, ProjectGrayhem-wide: 190M, Retro und GANT: 215M, Titivillus: 260M, blootube: 299M, ProjectGrayhem: 300M, blootube-wide: 416M

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rsdvd:

I might swap it and check if there is any change

[13:41:25]

juski:

with a bit of work I could make blootube-wide take a whole gig

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stuarta:

haha

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Beirdo:

should I even ask? OK, I will... How the HELL does it take so much memory? :)

[13:41:58]

juski:

gardengnome: what's er neon-wide like?

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: "mount" should also tell ya if minimythj is using the compressed FS or nfsroot

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juski:

Berso many different backgrounds & the sheer size of the watermarks

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Beirdo:

ahhh

[13:42:31]

juski:

ahem.. Beirdo ^^

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gardengnome:

juski: dunno, janneg hasn't tested it yet and i'm not keen on running 1600x1200

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Beirdo:

craziness, I tell ya :)

[13:42:52]

Beirdo:

just buy more memory, to hell with it ;)

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** stuarta ordered a new TV! **

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** Beirdo took the puppy to the ocean yesterday. **

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juski:

who ordered a new tv?

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gardengnome:

juski: stuarta!

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juski:

I need a new colour scheme

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stuarta:

me!

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juski:

nice one stuarta :)

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stuarta:

37 glorious inches

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juski:

white background here, & white text is em.. still white

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Beirdo:

that's what she said, stuarta

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stuarta:

hah! ;-)

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Beirdo:

couldn't resist

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Beirdo:

I guess I should do some MUD coding today.

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Beirdo:

stupid Mondays

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stuarta:

did the puppy love the ocean?

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juski:

I shall retire to tha laboratory

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Beirdo:

she was apprehensive at first

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Beirdo:

but then the labrador retriever instincts kicked in

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Beirdo:

she was playing fetch in the ocean in about 10 minutes :)

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stuarta:

something to play with!

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Beirdo:

she had a blast

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Beirdo:

and then when we got home, she had a bath to de-salt her fur :)

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Beirdo:

gotta be a downside to everything, I guess

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Beirdo:

but I think we'll do that again...

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Beirdo:

the first beach we tried was one with a natural breakwater, but the waves were SO huge that the little lagoon could be surfed in

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Beirdo:

the next beach we drove past was an actual surfing beach, and a fine day for it

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Beirdo:

then finally we got to another that had a "kiddie" beach... it was calm enough

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Beirdo:

fucking netsplit

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Beirdo:

sorry, stuarta.. netsplit hell

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Beirdo:

then finally we got to another that had a "kiddie" beach... it was calm enough

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Beirdo:

:)

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stuarta:

same problem here :(

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Milosch:

oy

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stuarta:

!trout freenode netsplit

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** MythLogBot slaps freenode with a netsplit trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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Beirdo:

OK, who turned off the coloring in VIM on my build server since the last time I used it?

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fryfrog:

my bad, sorry

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Beirdo:

weird

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gardengnome:

your build server? it's probably just a dusty screen you slacker ;)

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Beirdo:

logged off the ssh, logged back in... color's back

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rsdvd:

you were probably logged in as differnt user

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Beirdo:

nope

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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Beirdo:

all is good now :)

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juski:

silly vi

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juski:

not heard anything negative about neon-wide so might give it a release-style unleash

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gardengnome:

vim > vi

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gardengnome:

juski: call it neon-wide 2.0 BETA

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Beirdo:

juski, you will hear things real quick just as soon as you do.

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Beirdo:

;)

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juski:

unannounced release of course

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Beirdo:

too late, you just announced :)

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juski:

ok the unaccounced on the lusers list

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Beirdo:

:)

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juski:

uncaccounfdghdsak

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juski:

fucking retarded keyboard lag

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Beirdo:

GOD this code sucks ass

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Beirdo:

they have if() { if () {

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Beirdo:

with like 3 layers

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Beirdo:

use &&, you freaks!

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juski:

10 print "you suck! ";

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juski:

20 goto 10

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stuarta:

ew, basic

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daviey:

stuarta, basic?! looks quite complex to me

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juski:

while true; do ...

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stuarta:

it's on the list of worlds worst programming languages...

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anykey_:

juski: I recently found while false :-p

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juski:

if basic was a programming language I'd be able to program ;)

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Beirdo:

while( 1 ) { fork; }

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stuarta:

mmm fork bomb

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Beirdo:

heh, at university, I let a malloc bomb loose on our DEC Alpha

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Beirdo:

found the hard limit of memory usage per process pretty quickly

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stuarta:

was that before or after they implemented resource limits?

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Beirdo:

that was a bitchin machine for its day

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Beirdo:

just after :)

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stuarta:

bugger...

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Beirdo:

but 3 processes of the malloc bomb used all the memory and all the swap

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Beirdo:

or was it 4?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

as a friend was trying to use netscape... Muhahahah

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Beirdo:

then I hit Ctrl-C on them all

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Beirdo:

this was like at 5am, they did a daily reboot at 6am

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Beirdo:

as DEC OSF/1 had issues with the pids running out all the time, IIRC

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juski:

!seen kelerion

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MythLogBot:

kelerion was last seen 60 days 21 hours 57 minutes 8 seconds ago

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stuarta:

why, were they windows admins or something....

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stuarta:

ahh

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gardengnome:

!seen sanity

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MythLogBot:

sanity has not been seen here

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gardengnome:

right

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juski:

!seen pussy

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MythLogBot:

pussy has not been seen here

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Beirdo:

they didn't want to upgrade it, it would have been to disruptive, potentially broe it

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Beirdo:

broke even

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Beirdo:

got that right, MythLogBot

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Dagmar:

!seen a user reading documentation without prompting

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MythLogBot:

a user reading documentation without prompting has not been seen here

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gardengnome:

!seen friendly people

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MythLogBot:

friendly people has not been seen here

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Beirdo:

!seen good grammar skills

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MythLogBot:

good grammar skills has not been seen here

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Dagmar:

lol

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gardengnome:

bots are fun

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daviey:

!humour

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** MythLogBot slaps beirdo with a smartass trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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stuarta:

EHUMOURNOTIMPLEMENTED

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fourcheeze:

is there somewhere a checklist of how to diagnose why my backend dies?

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juski:

fourcheeze: edit the init script to enable logging

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juski:

then look in the logs

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stuarta:

fourcheeze: the howto section 22.2

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fourcheeze:

ok

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fourcheeze:

juski: logging is just --verbose ?

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fourcheeze:

if so which level?

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juski:

all, for starters

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gardengnome:

all,nodatabase might be OK as well

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gardengnome:

logging is also -l <somefile.log> to redirect output to a file

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fourcheeze:

ok, thanks

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fourcheeze:

I'll see if I can crash it

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fourcheeze:

the problem is that it never crashes when I want it to!

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juski:

my backend hasn't fallen over for a week or so :)

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stuarta:

you being nice to it or sumfink?

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fourcheeze:

juski: do you have something in place to bring it back up?

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juski:

nope. if it poos its pants again I'll 'fix it' good & proper

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Milosch:

!seen mc pee-pants

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MythLogBot:

mc pee-pants has not been seen here

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daviey:

fourcheeze, do you have poor tv signal? that crashes my backend

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juski:

freeview is for all the poor people :)

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stuarta:

and me!

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juski:

council telly ftw!

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fourcheeze:

daviey: I don't have a great tv signal – and yes it is freeview, however I notice that myth only dies when I'm acually watching something, whether it's live tv or a recording

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juski:

when my backend dies I never see anything in the log about it

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juski:

though there always seems to be a message about EIT before it stops dead

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daviey:

fourcheeze, sounds like poor signal issue. Mine does that when watching/recording abc1

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daviey:

fourcheeze, atm – unless you can get a better arial – then i think you have to 'bodge' mythbackend to restart

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lotia:

why is the separate resolutions for GUI and video option not capable of doing 1080p?

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juski:

you mean why ARE the...

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juski:

it's good day for pedantry today

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rsdvd:

lol

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fourcheeze:

daviey: but myth never dies when it's just recording

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Dagmar:

Loverly. Found another gap in my boss' knowledge

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Dagmar:

Apparently since I was off work this weekend and they were moving a machine in the NOC from a 110v rack to a (standard) 208V rack there was a small "problem".

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gardengnome:

that's job security for ya

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daviey:

fourcheeze, try messing with the arial connector whilst recording then play it back

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Dagmar:

Generic and slightly sketchy looking 2U servers with names like "Computron" on the badge aren't the sort of thing you should expect to have an auto-switching power supply.

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Dagmar:

*pop*fizzle

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Dagmar:

*snicker*

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anykey_:

lol

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juski:

mm XviD-lol

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fourcheeze:

daviey: yeah I'll give that a go later

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fourcheeze:

better hope for better reception when we move house

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fourcheeze:

or else I'll have to get a decent aerial

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rsdvd:

fourcheeze : haev you got a aerial booster?

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fourcheeze:

rsdvd: yes

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rsdvd:

ok...just a thought

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fourcheeze:

but only one near the computer, not on the mast head

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fourcheeze:

I think a bigger aerial is nearly always the best thing

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quicksilver:

you'll be more of a man, with a bigger antenna

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rsdvd:

I have to have an enormous aerial on a 12foot mast

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daviey:

i have to hide my antenna.

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juski:

pfft. you & your e-antennas :-P

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juski:

how many more times? the IR is on the keyboard

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rsdvd:

sorry Juski – this was on the EPIA not the S100

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juski:

mode2 is just a 'does it work?' thing IIRC

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juski:

bitlike cat /dev/lirc/0

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Dagmar:

as in "not otherwise useful"

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juski:

irs is the one you need

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juski:

irw, even

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rsdvd:

true – I was seeing if my remote was sending anythign it could read from the 'TV off' button......but it shows loads of IR signals.....if I cover the sensor they stop

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rsdvd:

it seems as thought e room is flooded with IR signals

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rsdvd:

irw will only report matches against things in lircd.conf

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juski:

flossy lights in the room eh?

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rsdvd:

no – no lights at all at the moment – just really bright sunshine

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juski:

the sun is a very bright source of IR

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juski:

:-P

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rsdvd:

true

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juski:

plus ambient light can easily swamp IR sensors

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rsdvd:

I gues that is what it is – just never noticed it that bad before

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juski:

damnit – just found another sata controller that isn't port multiplier aware :(

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rsdvd:

juski : do you use surround sound on your EPIA?

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juski:

SPDIF :)

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rsdvd:

to an external AV AMP ?

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juski:

of course

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rsdvd:

OK.....what amp do you have?

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juski:

tv audio is lacking in ummm... oomph

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juski:

Yamaha RX-V457

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juski:

bargain for £150ish

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rsdvd:

expensive?

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rsdvd:

kewl – where did you get it?

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juski:

goes up to 11 too (no REALLY!)

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juski:

superfi.co.uk

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rsdvd:

discontinued at that site......replaced by RX-V459...350 quid

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juski:

:D

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juski:

it really was a bargain then :D

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rsdvd:

lol.....yes

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stuarta:

try richersounds

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juski:

richersounds didn't have anything nearly as good at the price

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juski:

I normally swear by em though

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rsdvd:

yes – I checked there they are rather expensive

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juski:

I got my speakers from richer

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rsdvd:

juski : did you ever try using the surround sound in the EPIA? Was wondering how yu actually reconfigure the 3 phone plugs on the back?

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juski:

oh fucking hell god no! analogue audio on the epia board stinks of poo

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rsdvd:

lol.......well I have to use ananlog into a 'Computer' surround at the moment

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moh:

that's too bad.

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juski:

you can hear the screen being redrawn when you crank it up ;)

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juski:

I've yet to hear decent onboard audio. on ANYTHING

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juski:

the last thing you want when you're watching a blockbuster blowy up film loud is hearing hiss, buzz & crackle in the quiet bits

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juski:

at 'normal' (i.e. non cinema) volumes it's ok though

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rsdvd:

how about this : http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/morei . . . duct_ID/3082

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juski:

looks like it's better connecte dthan mine

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juski:

more component connections :)

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juski:

not that I switch video thru my amp – don't need to :)

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juski:

what I really like is being able to name inputs

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rsdvd:

not too bad for 180 quid

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rsdvd:

I need a decent set of speaks too though :-(

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juski:

they use a crappy delivery company though

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juski:

not shittylink but someone almost as bad

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rsdvd:

I have got used to them all with our company

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juski:

bi difference with you is that you're never really 'out' ;)

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rsdvd:

true......we get about 4 couriers per day....so most of them know us by now

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juski:

ooo

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juski:

http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/morei . . . duct_ID/2968

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juski:

nah I need a new bay window 1st

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rsdvd:

LOL – I bought a 50'' last week

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juski:

that one's reckoned to be about the best there is

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juski:

dunno if i could live with the 800W power consumption though

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rsdvd:

Mine was not 'the best' but it is good enough for us

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rsdvd:

juski : what speakers do you have?

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juski:

mordaunt short centre

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juski:

big floorstanding eltax fronts

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juski:

ickle JBL for the rears

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juski:

and a JBL sub

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rsdvd:

shows how little I know about this stuff – never heard of mordaunt

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juski:

complete mish-mash – took a bitch to set up right.

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juski:

mordaunt short make fab speakers. british too

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rsdvd:

all the better – british made

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juski:

I use JPW on my computer – made by folks spending time at Her Majesty's Pleasure ;)

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rsdvd:

the JPW look nice

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juski:

http://www.richersounds.com/showproduct/YAMA-RXV359

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rsdvd:

superfi has a nice looking denon

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juski:

hrmmm denon :(

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rsdvd:

don't you like denon?

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juski:

I sufferred atthe hands of denon cd players in clubs & bars for years

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rsdvd:

:-)

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juski:

skip skip skip break break stuck disc

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juski:

they used to be *really* good

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ServerSage:

I'm not sure you should judge an entire product line by a few crappy experiences. Denon makes some decent receivers. My third choice after Onkyo and Yamaha.

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juski:

went downhill after they made the dn2500F

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rsdvd:

what kind of price do you think a set of speakers will cost, for something reasonable but not the best?

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juski:

rsdvd: depends if you want reasonably hi-fi or not

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juski:

don't spend less than £200 for fronts

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juski:

and don't spend more than 60p/metre for cables ;)

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rsdvd:

:-) for that I would want all of them and cable :-)

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juski:

go for a package deal at richer

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juski:

the 'all in one box' things where you get 5 satellites & a sub generally stink

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juski:

but if you don't do loud, you'd be ok with something like that I imagine

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ServerSage:

rsdvd: And if you aren't recreating a studio, you can get away with lower cost (read: NOT CHEAP, but not expensive) cables.

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rsdvd:

ServerSage : yes! I do not want something that is like a club.......just want a decent sound out of my new TV and myth

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fryfrog:

you could use extension cord wire for speakers :p

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fryfrog:

course, it'd be over kill

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rsdvd:

the speaks I use at the moment are the crappy ones built into the side of the TV......so anythign will be an improvment

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ServerSage:

rsdvd: Ebay is a wonderful thing for speakers. There are a lot of audio nuts out there that buy/sell their speakers as new stuff comes out, and you can benefit. It's where I bought my speakers, and I'm VERY happy.

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rsdvd:

ServerSage : I spend my whole life on ebay (that is what I do for a living) so I will check out there first

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rsdvd:

my problem is I know so little about this stuff I need recommendations to know what to look for

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ServerSage:

rsdvd: I'm not sure this is the place to get that info. You'll get people here that have 1 or 2 experiences that are "exerts" and will lead you down a path you might not be happy with. Hehe. Take me, I would recommend Polk Audio speakers. But, I'm sure somebody in here has had a bad experience and will say I'm a moron.

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rsdvd:

ServerSage : True – but I have grown to trust some poeple in here – so I thoughtI woudl start here

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ServerSage:

rsdvd: You might wanna check out some reviews at ecoustics.com and avguide.com

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rsdvd:

thanks

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juski:

gah this fscking e-sata thing is doing my head in

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ServerSage:

rsdvd: That sucks. I'm in the US, so I guess I dunno what they have over there.

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juski:

whathifi, anally-retentive guy mag, etc

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juski:

;)

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rsdvd:

:-)

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juski:

moo, but the £10,000 a metre cable sounds *so* much nicer – not like the god-awful £500 a metre offering from cableco inc.

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ServerSage:

Who would pay that much for cable?

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juski:

heheh

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juski:

people do

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rsdvd:

:-) I know people who talk ike that

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ServerSage:

Oh, I know.

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juski:

there's more than one born every minute

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juski:

2000 screened mains cables, ftw!

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juski:

gold-plated optical leads!

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juski:

emperor's new clothes!

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rsdvd:

:-)

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ServerSage:

I have a buddy that does the dual speaker cable 1 inch apart from speakers to receiver. I still don't hear the difference.

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rsdvd:

that is exactly what it is

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juski:

biwiring?

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juski:

pfft

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ServerSage:

Yup.

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juski:

never figured that one out

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juski:

Bi-AMPING, yeah, I can see the point of that

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juski:

but not bi-wiring

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juski:

that's just bollocks

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rsdvd:

I think I better get these frontends working before I get another toy to play with :-)

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juski:

I'll have a play with an s100 tonight & see if I can get scarty

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rsdvd:

brilliant! If I can get that working – I might be in a possition to buy soem more:-)

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juski:

and I might be in a position to sell one or 2

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rsdvd:

:-)

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juski:

when I do the usb bootloader I'll make sure to image it to a safe place

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Dibblah:

Led-Hed: Yes.

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Dibblah:

LCDd with a 20x2 line century VFD.

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Led-Hed:

Dibblah: mine is 16x2, but I'm having trouble with the myth plugin. It wont display the menus correctly nor the time.

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juski:

well, I'd better be getting orf

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Dr_willis:

mythtv can use lcdproc to use the lcd's now?

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cliche:

yep – I use lcdproc on mine

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Dr_willis:

Spiffy

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Dr_willis:

I dont have the G15 on my mythtv box however. :)

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Dr_willis:

i got a wireless keyaboard for MythTV i like

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GreyFoxx:

Dr_willis: I think that has been there for years :)

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Dr_willis:

G15 support for lcdproc is fairly new. :)

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Dr_willis:

just got it working on my main linux box a week or so ago.

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Dr_willis:

now i have a fancy ... err.. lcd clock.. to look at! :)

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GreyFoxx:

What's the G15 ?

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Dr_willis:

or it can show TOP

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Dr_willis:

Logitech Keyboard that has a LCD screen built in.

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh cool

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Dr_willis:

with programable keys on the side.

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Dr_willis:

Its such a desk space taker.. but its a nice keyboard

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Dr_willis:

the programable keys – i could do without..

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Dr_willis:

but the lcd is noice.. and it has usb ports.. and its a decent keyboard

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hjohnson:

note to self: shrinking your media partition is nerve racking when you don't have a backup.

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Dr_willis:

:)

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Dr_willis:

ya see that artical on slashdot about harddrive failure rates?

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Dr_willis:

thats nerve racking.

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hjohnson:

Dr_willis: yeah

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hjohnson:

Dr_willis: there's a reason why I have a spare drive sitting still in its antistatic packaging in a cool location, just in case I get a drive failure.

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Dr_willis:

hjohnson, :) right next to the starwars collectables!

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hjohnson:

Dr_willis: hah, not really

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Dr_willis:

laumburger baskets and beanie babies!

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opello:

haha beanie babies

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Dr_willis:

401k – BeabieBabyFund

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juski:

harumph

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juski:

so much for going home

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blackest:

hi who's good with users and permissions :)

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Dr_willis:

its easier to ask forgiveness, then to ask permission...

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Dr_willis:

:)

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blackest:

I seem to not have a mythtv user although i have a group and files belonging to the non mythtv user

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blackest:

does that make sense at all

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blackest:

users are john matt and root

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blackest:

theres a mythtv group who's members are john and root

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blackest:

and in var/lib/mythtv there are files which belong to user mythtv and group mythtv

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blackest:

these are mpgs

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blackest:

there are png's but these are read and write for everyone and also owned by user mythtv

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blackest:

but I dont have a user mythtv :)

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onewheelskyward:

blackest: If you do an ls -l and it shows mythtv as the owner, you have a mythtv user.

[18:19:09]

onewheelskyward:

blackest: otherwise it would show up as a number.

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onewheelskyward:

blackest: Take a look in your /etc/passwd and see if it's there.

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blackest:

so is mythtv a user ?

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rsdvd:

well then blackest – you have a mythtv user

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Dagmar:

Why is there no leading slash?

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Dagmar:

If the homedir does not exist, the user account isn't going to be considered valid by much

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rsdvd:

I think that is likely to be a typo – I think he retyped that

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blackest:

yes its a typo

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blackest:

i just checked again

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rsdvd:

so why do you say you don't have a mythtv user?

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rsdvd:

if you type 'finger mythtv' it will tell you about the current status of the user

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blackest:

well on the desktop administration users and groups there is no mythtv user

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rsdvd:

what distro are you using?

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blackest:

mythtv never logged in no plan ...

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blackest:

backend is ubuntu edgy

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gardengnome:

blackest: that user doesn't show up because it's hidden. it's a system user.

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blackest:

so you cant login as that user ?

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : I never use GUI so I am not sure of the application, but if system users are hidden why was root there?

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rsdvd:

you can log in as long as you giev the user a passwd

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blackest:

is that the 8 character random one generated on the install

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: uh. dunno. ;)

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rsdvd:

blackest : I think the ubuntu install only creates the mysql passowrd – I think it prompts you for mythtv's

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rsdvd:

I don;t know though – I use fedora

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blackest:

yes i think the password i am thinking of was listed in mysql.txt

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rsdvd:

that is the database password

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rsdvd:

to reset the mythtv user password – just type passwd mythtv (logged in as root) and change it

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blackest:

i dont recall giving mythtv a password

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rsdvd:

anyway – I am off to the pub! good luck

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blackest:

ok now mythtv is password mythtv

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blackest:

ok that logs in now so i guess if i restart the backend logged in as mythtv it will stop complaining it couldnt delete this and that

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r3m0t:

my PVR-350 is connected to a satellite STB through S-Video and a line in connection. I have ghosting and the audio is unsynced. what do I do?

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beavis:

Is anybody using the AC3 patch?

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beavis:

It doesn't compile here with the patch

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gardengnome:

25 frames per second equals 50 fields per second.

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imperfect-:

I've got 2 PVR-150's and one remote for sale if anyone is interested.

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PeterC:

gardengnome: Could you please elaborate?

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blackest:

peterc you could see http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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gardengnome:

PeterC: PAL video is interlaced, that's why you get two fields per frames. your TV combines them together to one frame

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blackest:

but essentially mythtv-setup ->general first page pal

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blackest:

and set your tuner area

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PeterC:

The problem is that when using MythArchive the recordings are VERY jerky when playing in a stationary DVD player. Especially with fast camera moves.

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blackest:

that could be an encoding problem couldnt it (I've done stuff in the past where the encoder didnt expect a lot of movement (say the side of a bus and the bus swinging round a corner didnt move quite right

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blackest:

that was when ripping an old video on windows thou

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PeterC:

blackest: What could be done about that?

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blackest:

I dont remember quite how it worked this was a long time ago i think it was a problem of bitrate

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blackest:

can you change the quality so it makes bigger files

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PeterC:

blackest: So I could increase the bitrate? Now it's set to default I think.

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blackest:

I would try it , but i am no expert

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blackest:

be worth trying a short fast moving section see if it does improve

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PeterC:

blackest: OK, I'll give it a try.

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PeterC:

Thanks everyone for the help!

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blackest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-2#Video_cod . . . implified.29 kind of explains it better

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blackest:

I think from reading that its the B frames which are the problem

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imperfect-:

last imperfect

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lotia:

anyone here using "separate resolution for GUI and playback" option

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gardengnome:

yes

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bekks:

hi

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bekks:

is there a way to setup mythtv without db backend, or is that mandatory?

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gardengnome:

it's mandatory

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bekks:

and mysql is mandatory, too?

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gardengnome:

yes

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bekks:

hmmm, ok

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blackest:

bekks you could use kaffeine for simple tv use and recording but mythtv is a lot more

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blackest:

ok problem everytime i try to record it fails

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bekks:

blackest: thats why i want mythv. kaffeine cant handle time records in a nice way

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blackest:

ok good luck :)

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bekks:

thx :)

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blackest:

ok anyone able to make some sense of backend message output

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blackest:

can i paste a few lines

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GreyFoxx:

blackest: post the backends logs around the recording/failure to pastebin.ca

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blackest:

ok pasted http://pastebin.ca/373450

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daviey:

Wibble-, what graphics card; and what driver

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blackest:

hi daviey

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daviey:

blackest, hi

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blackest:

what are you like on recording errors

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blackest:

unable to find channel in database

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daviey:

how and when is that appearing?

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daviey:

is that a uk_grab_rt issue?

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blackest:

ok i find something to record in epg and select record once

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daviey:

okay

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blackest:

when it comes to recording it it starts of with that error then continues

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daviey:

continues to record?

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daviey:

how many tuners do you have?

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blackest:

no then fails setchannel by string

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blackest:

reverting to kstate_none

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daviey:

what are you using to grab your listings?

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blackest:

well only one set up with myth

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blackest:

uk_grab_rt

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blackest:

but i would prefer to use the freeview epg if i can find a howto

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blackest:

figure that should give out compatible recording info

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daviey:

epg is easyier!

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daviey:

/s/epg/freeview

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daviey:

but you only get 7 days – RT you get 14

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bekks:

hi again

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bekks:

I'm stuck o configuring mythtv

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bekks:

what kind of card type do i have to set for a Cinergy T usb XS ?

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blackest:

i would settle for works and 7 days :)

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daviey:

do you have mythweb installed? if so in the channnel set up of that; you can tick 'over the air' or do it in mythtv-setup

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bekks:

not installed mythtv-web yet

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bekks:

in mythtv-setup there is nothing like over the air

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daviey:

bekks, sorry i was talking to blackest

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gardengnome:

err, sorry, i was talking to bekks

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bekks:

gardengnome: :)

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gardengnome:

bekks: it is a DVB device, right?

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daviey:

gardengnome, pm?

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blackest:

um on the backend kinda

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blackest:

but got a database error

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bekks:

gardengnome: if choosing that one, next dialog identifies my usb stick as Zarlink ZL10353 whatever device?

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bekks:

gardengnome: yes, it's usb dvb-t stick here, a Cinergy T usb XS

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gardengnome:

bekks: the DTV entry should be right then

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bekks:

ok, after finishing the card setup, I'm on the list with "new card" "delete all cards" etc again. and my choice doesnt appear there, is that correct?

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blackest:

mythweb says database access denied see .htaccess for instructions

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daviey:

blackest, you need to set the password

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gbee:

blackest: just go through mythtv-setup – it'll be quicker than getting mythweb up and running

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gbee:

btw, I'm coming into this discussion half way through, but did you perform a channel scan?

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Wibble-:

daviey: sorry for the delay – was on the phone. The TV out is provided by a nvidia graphics card (no idea what type). Mplayer was using the cvidix VO when it was at 50% CPU, don't know how X/mythfrontend handles it (but it is mythfrontend at 80%, not X)

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Wibble-:

and the driver for X is "vesa" (can't get "nv" or "nvidia" to work there)

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HaDAk:

Has anybody successfully configured myth to use only the remote/gamepad to exit all emus, instead of having to use a keyboard to do it?

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Wibble-:

I don't know what driver X was using when it was running with 0.18

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gbee:

the official nvidia driver doesn't work at all?

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Wibble-:

gbee: I've not managed to get it to work – it appears to hang my box which is a little bizzare

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Dibblah:

Wibble-: Is that FC6?

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Wibble-:

Ubuntu edgy 6.10

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Dibblah:

Not using a Xen kernel, I hope...

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Wibble-:

nope, I'm not

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Dibblah:

Odd.

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Dibblah:

I had a faulty card that'd do that. Fine in Windows...

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gbee:

is it an older card? maybe the legacy drivers would work better

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Wibble-:

I don't think it is the card – it was working fine with ubuntu 6.06 and mythtv 0.18...

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Wibble-:

gbee: do you think the problem is the "vesa" driver then?

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gbee:

can't be sure, but eliminating it as a suspect would be a start

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Wibble-:

ok – I will work on that...

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Wibble-:

thanks.

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HaDAk:

the problem i'm having is writing a script so that i can use either my remote or my gamepad to exit the emulators, instead of having to have a keyboard/mouse

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HaDAk:

any advice?

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gbee:

can't imagine there are many people here using the vesa driver with an nvidia card, so it's not easy to rule it in or out as the problem

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antiPosix:

my video playback on my nvidia TV-out looks almost interlaced? flickery, fluttery?

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antiPosix:

I have a backend/frontend and a frontend, both machines have a geforce MX 4000 chipset

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antiPosix:

X resolution is 640x480

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antiPosix:

MPEG is captured with a PVR-150

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HaDAk:

is your refresh rate correct?

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HaDAk:

chances are it's not.

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antiPosix:

refresh rate is 50

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HaDAk:

50 isn't right for NTSC

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antiPosix:

crap

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antiPosix:

how do you know I'm not PAL?

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antiPosix:

you are correct, it is NTSC

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HaDAk:

cause i'm brilliant.

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HaDAk:

and because i can whois you, and traceroute your IP to the states.

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antiPosix:

what would be a good refresh for NTSC

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doc|home:

how do you change the refresh rate?

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antiPosix:

xorg.conf

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doc|home:

is that necessary on an LCD?

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HaDAk:

not generally.

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doc|home:

hmmm, cos I get what looks like waves, moving diagonally ferom bottom right to top left. Not sure if it's the qualoty of the feed though. My cable runs through a long wire and might need a booster

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antiPosix:

I'm incorrect, I do not see a refresh rate in my xorg.conf

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HaDAk:

at any rate, the refresh rate should be 29.97

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antiPosix:

29.97 is frame rate for NTSC

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antiPosix:

refresh rate should be 59.99 for NTSC

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antiPosix:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTSC#Lines_and_refresh_rate

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HaDAk:

sorry, you're right.

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antiPosix:

matches the north american AC herz

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antiPosix:

so, you are corect, the problem is my refresh rate, should be 60 not 50

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antiPosix:

I'll give that a shot, thanks

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HaDAk:

no problem.

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doc|home:

can you set it higher than that?

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HaDAk:

do you want to watch your tv melt?

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doc|home:

on an lcd

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HaDAk:

75

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HaDAk:

i think.

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doc|home:

I'm watching recordings on my computers

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doc|home:

-s

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muh-die-kuh:

hi

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blackest:

ok i switched to the epg for channels not sure how much info it found

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blackest:

QDate::setYMD: Invalid date 1750-01–01 wheres that need to be fixed ?

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blackest:

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radiator:

hi all!

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radiator:

i would need some help with debian and modules (ivtv)

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psyon:

Is there any way to make mythtv pump DVD video out my PVR-250, but decode the audio and pump that out the sound card?

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radiator:

psyon: the pvr-250 does not support mpeg decode...

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psyon:

I know the card I have does, and im pretty sure its the 250

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psyon:

It just goes to the TV out though

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psyon:

Maybe I have the 350

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psyon:

man, no im going to have to crack it open to check :(

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Anduin:

psyon: The diver will tell you the model, if you have TV out, it is a 350

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psyon:

Ok, well lets assume I have the 350 then, because im almost postiive ti has the hardware decoder.... is there a way to use the hardware to decode teh video, but use software for audio.

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psyon:

yeah, its a 350

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psyon:

wow, I could have sworn it was a 250

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blackest:

heres a question how much ram for a mythtv backend setup mines on 512 but i have a few more things to add yet

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gbee:

512mb is enough, at least for a couple of dvb cards where you're not having to encode

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gbee:

things like commflagging, which are done on the backend, take more resources but commflagging is pretty useless in the UK anyway

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