Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, February 24th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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juski:

so, from me, sata still gets a big thumbs down til big names sort out their issues

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** LLyric nods **

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LLyric:

But there's just no real alternative

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LLyric:

pata cables suck, and there's not enough ports on typical motherboards.

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LLyric:

scsi is too expensive

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LLyric:

san/nas are stupidly expensive

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LLyric:

iscsi just moves the problem, as does other nas-ish solutions

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juski:

my main point is that for its age I'd have expected it to have matured enough by now

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juski:

I think the problem more often than not is one of companies rushing stuff to market too quickly figuring they'll deal with the issues later

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juski:

I've seen a Silicon Image 'manual' for one of their controllers – the kind of thing developers are supposed to be able to use to write drivers – it was like 6 sides of A4 FFS

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juski:

anyway...

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alsoconfused:

lol, i remember a 100 page manual for a scsi floppy drive

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juski:

the T13 specs are er... more than 600 pages

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Scopeuk:

oh dear its 1/2 12 on a friday night nad im reading the data sheet for a usb <--> rs465 chip

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adante:

that in itself might not be so bad.. but you're also talking about this fact on irc :]

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Scopeuk:

yeh

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Scopeuk:

and watchign supernatural

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Scopeuk:

whats worse is i have ntohung better to do and no where better to be

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rsdvd:

awww .... poor Scopeuk

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adante:

why don't you hit your local

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rsdvd:

but then again neither have we or ww wouldn;t be here reading this

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adante:

or do they close at midnight

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Scopeuk:

i could head out but the locals a bit crap and the alternative at the union is ghastly

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Scopeuk:

ive worked it as a tech a few times but i whouldent go cant stand the music

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adante:

you study at scheffield Scopeuk?

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Scopeuk:

yup

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adante:

hm, think my supervisor did his phd there

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Scopeuk:

hmm whats his phd in

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adante:

he regales me with fond (and not so fond) memories

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adante:

software eng

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Scopeuk:

not my department then lucky bastard

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adante:

haha.. whats yours?

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Scopeuk:

"acse" automated cotnrol adn systems engineering

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adante:

engineer hi five

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Scopeuk:

hi five

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Scopeuk:

basicaly the department phelosophy seams to be that they dont havelifes there for there studetns should getuse to it

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Scopeuk:

then again since my social life consits of workign as a tech i nthe union for events

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Scopeuk:

so getting home at 6 in the mornign before a 9 am lecture isent every ones version of fun but the crew that do ti are fantastic

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adante:

indeed, engineering is a life of quiet dignity

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adante:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF9jZ1jYHgY

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Scopeuk:

maby later watchign numbers

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adante:

coincidentally showed to me by my supervisor

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Scopeuk:

not numbers supernatural even

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Scopeuk:

not much diference

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mcquaid:

i'm trying to find in the docs, the option to force an update, but including today also

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mcquaid:

i had a power outage and there are lots of 'unknowns' in my guide

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mcquaid:

or will --resched get today's as well?

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sperciba:

any ATSC users around who can help out?

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juski:

adante: that video 'the knack' by any chance?

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sperciba:

I've scanned for channels and have channels.conf but am confused where to go from here

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sperciba:

using dvbscan

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juski:

sperciba: so you confirmed your hardware works – that's good. next you need to do the mythtv-setup bit, set up stuff in there & then when steps 1, 2 & 3 are done – scan for channels in mythtv-setup

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adante:

juski: haha.. yep

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sperciba:

juski I've ran mythtv-setup

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sperciba:

just getting the error I get when trying to watch tv

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sperciba:

juski should I have anything in the input section?

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sperciba:

I just have an ATSC card and will be watching on my PC monitor right now

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juski:

I'll leave you to read some docs about what you should be doing rather than this random prodding around

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sperciba:

I'm just borrowing a card right now to see if I get good reception

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sperciba:

and used knoppmyth

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sperciba:

I'm only asking to speed things up but I'll read through the mythtv config docs again right now

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Scopeuk:

ive seenthe "the knack" clip before

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juski:

it's me, to a tee :)

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Scopeuk:

unfurtuantely im startign to gainer enoguh knolage to start building complex circuits/understaning the guts of machines

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Scopeuk:

which means ntohign is safe

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mcquaid:

hmm, i have a lot of gaps in my guide info since a power outage, I just did mythfilldatabase --refresh-all but I still have the gaps

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mcquaid:

any suggestions?

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juski:

run mysqlcheck on the mythconverg database

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crashdummyMCH:

New to HDTV. Have a DVICO FusionHDTV5 RT Gold and am able to get terrestrial signals, but when connected to Cable am not able to scan for any channels. Am I doing something wrong or does anyone know if this card only works with the antenna?

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Cybertoy:

hi ... when I access my Program listing with mythweb I'm having severe performance issues... it will take about 5–10 minutes until the listing actually comes up ..

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Cybertoy:

anyone else experiencing this?

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onewheelskyward:

Cybertoy: Is there a lot of disk access going on during the 5–10 min wait?

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mcquaid:

sorry i was away for a bit trying things, i did mysqlcheck and all are ok except recordedseek which has crashed and should be repaired

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mcquaid:

not sure what recordedseek is but wouldn't suspect it the cause of my large guide gaps

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sperciba:

I seem to be much further with this ATSC card

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sperciba:

any ideas~

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sperciba:

wacky

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sperciba:

I seem to have recordings

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sperciba:

with video in them but when I select one to watch it goes back to the blue screen

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sperciba:

codec issue?

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sperciba:

hmm

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mcquaid:

i just tried --do_channel_updates as well, but no change, still large gaps in my guide

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sperciba:

so I found a few mpegs that it recorded but mplayer and xine both crash/abort when I try and play them

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heynow:

mcquaid: your subscription up2date?

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mcquaid:

yes i just renewed about 3 weeks ago

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mcquaid:

i did mysqlcheck with -r option and it repaired the recordedseek part, now all list as ok

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mcquaid:

but i think it must be still a db problem, unless datadirect is giving incomplete guide info

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mcquaid:

can't think of what else to try. is there a guide on dumping mythconverg and recreating?

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mcquaid:

and with all the shows I currently have, if you create a new db, does it flag them all with the same expiry date?

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mcquaid:

i just logged into to zap2it and everything looks fine, my expiry is 2007/04/29

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sperciba:

any ATSC users here?

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fryfrog:

ATSC QAM, if that counts

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sperciba:

*shrug*

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sperciba:

when I got to watch tv

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sperciba:

i get a blue screen

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sperciba:

thinking that mplayer options are not right or something

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sperciba:

I've got 4 mpeg files in /myth/tv too

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sperciba:

and get little video clips when I got to watch in mythtv

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sperciba:

but launching them gives me the same big blue screen :(

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sperciba:

this is just a test box P111

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sperciba:

CPU is getting hit hard

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sperciba:

just want to see how many channels I actually get

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Zider:

pentium onehoundred-eleven? ;)

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sperciba:

yup

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sperciba:

just got back from teh future

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Zider:

;D

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jams:

GreyFoxx- you around?

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GreyFoxx:

Yup, for a minute. Goofing with a new mac mini before I go back upstairs

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jams:

heh mac mini's are fun for a while

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jams:

you know how to read the value of a combobox/lineedit before it's saved to the db?

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GreyFoxx:

not off hand no

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jams:

drats

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jams:

my mac mini has collected dust because I couldn't give up the ability to move windows by alt + mouse click

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GreyFoxx:

I've had it for an hour so far (It belongs to work, they just got it)

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GreyFoxx:

so far I like it, but most time has been spent updating software :)

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jams:

got that right

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GreyFoxx:

and of course finding terminal so I could ssh out :)

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jams:

i just resinstalled mine to make room for dual boot

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jams:

i want to make sure my distro supports the macmini + remote

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jams:

for no other reason then "i can"

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GreyFoxx:

I'm a total mac newbie, so I need to start reading up on it now :)

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Scopeuk:

good look

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heynow:

install quicksilver ;)

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jams:

be prepared for some frustration

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GreyFoxx:

What is quicksilver?

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heynow:

blacktree.org i think

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GreyFoxx:

Is there a preferred video player, or is Quicktime what most people use ?

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Scopeuk:

ok last episode of supernatural then im going to bed

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jams:

i have always used quicktime

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Scopeuk:

is quick time any where near as nasty on mac asit is on windows?

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GreyFoxx:

jams I figure Quicktime + VLC will do we well enough

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heynow:

GreyFoxx: http://docs.blacktree.com/quicksilver/what_is_quicksilver

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heynow:

mplayer works nicely too

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jams:

but i make no claims to being a member of the genius bar

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heynow:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

If nothing else, the mini is "cute" :)

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jams:

yep that it is

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jams:

real pain to open though.

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GreyFoxx:

Hopefully I wont have too :)

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jams:

I was adding ram, the default 512 just wasn't cutting it

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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jams:

sure it worked, but you could tell it was swapping out

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GreyFoxx:

Well, back to hanging out with my wife, later

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jams:

i got tired of the color wheel

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jams:

ok

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jams:

later

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ServerSage:

Does anybody here have a problem with netflix seg faulting when you try and delete an item from the queue?

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ServerSage:

And when I say netflix, I really mean mythflix.

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sandeen_:

yay! new mythtv from atrpms

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** sandeen_ downloads, anxious to try the xvmc performance fixup **

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sandeen_:

GreyFoxx, I use vlc on my mac

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Cybertoy:

onewheelskyward, uhm.. sorry... got totally distracted... but yes.

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Cybertoy:

onewheelskyward, top is showing mysql and http very busy

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Cybertoy:

I think I have way too many channels with EPG information and that's why it's so slow

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jams:

K|NgGh0sT- start mythbackend with --noupnp

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sperciba:

just messing around I realized that I can't watch videos on this machine with mplayer in resolutions greater than 800x600

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onewheelskyward:

Cybertoy: It sounds like your sql query is taking a long time to execute.

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sperciba:

anyone know how to change the live tv and recording resolutions?

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onewheelskyward:

Cybertoy: It sounds suspiciously like your listings table isn't indexed properly.

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Cybertoy:

onewheelskyward, hmm... possibly... tnx for that... I'll investigate that.

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K|NgGh0sT:

jams, that doesnt seem to be a real argument

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jams:

K|NgGh0sT- are you running .20 or .20 fixes?

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K|NgGh0sT:

I'm not sure what I am running

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jams:

well i guess the fact it's not there means it's .20

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jams:

the option is in svn head, pretty sure it was backported to -fixes as well

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K|NgGh0sT:

svn doesnt work for my system for no reason

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MoRpHeUz:

can a remote frontend transcode videos ? I mean, ask for the backend to do that ?

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orgy:

Its just kind of annoying when I record anything about that channel since it has the shows it as a different show.

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orgy:

Pretty silent in here lol

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kormoc:

orgy, to get more, you need to record via svideo/composite and use a irblaster via the digital cable box

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Dr_willis:

i need to set up my box to do exactly that...

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Dr_willis:

some day

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Dr_willis:

but i record more then i watch anyway

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Dr_willis:

My digital box shows up on channel 3 also. so in theory i could just set up recordings to record that.. but making sure the thing is on the right channel is the harder part.

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MoRpHeUz:

and am I able to request video transcoding from a remote front end ?

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hjohnson:

grr.. mythtv keeps breaking my pvr-500 card

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Zider:

in half?

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hjohnson:

"/dev/video1 Error Select timeout: – ivtv driver has stopped responding.

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kormoc:

that doesn't sound like mythtv is causing it

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hjohnson:

kormoc: mythtv is the only thing talking to the ivtv card. :P

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hjohnson:

i need to upgrade 0.10.0

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Captain_Murdoch:

MoRpHeUz: mythfrontend does that by inserting a record into the jobqueue table directly using the routines in JobQueue.cpp

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MoRpHeUz:

Captain_Murdoch: good to see you =)

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MoRpHeUz:

Captain_Murdoch: but if I'm running mythfrontend remotely it'll work ?

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Captain_Murdoch:

mythfrontend always needs DB access, so yes, even remote mythfrontend's can queue jobs.

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MoRpHeUz:

hhmm

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Captain_Murdoch:

there is no way to queue jobs via the backend protocol. I saw your patch, but think if something like that is added it should be more generic to allow any type of job to be queued.

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MoRpHeUz:

hhmm

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MoRpHeUz:

ok..

[04:44:10]

MoRpHeUz:

will do some "recode" on it

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hjohnson:

grr.. this is making my server rather usntable.

[04:44:31]

hjohnson:

pvr-500 is toasted again.

[04:44:34]

hjohnson:

grumble.

[04:45:08]

** hjohnson builds a 2.6.20 kernel **

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MoRpHeUz:

Captain_Murdoch: already recoded it to accept somethings like mythtranscode's "-o" option..

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xris:

MoRpHeUz: you're online late

[04:45:52]

MoRpHeUz:

xris: for sure hehe...

[04:45:58]

MoRpHeUz:

working late =P

[04:46:02]

xris:

no fun.

[04:46:16]

xris:

any word on the conference?

[04:47:03]

MoRpHeUz:

not to me...hallyson is the person who deals this stuff with "the other guys" = ...

[04:47:29]

xris:

ah. oh well. figured it couldn't hurt to ask. heh

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wrench:

hi – i'm trying to install myth on ubuntu dapper with superm1's repository. I'm getting "Depends: libmyth-0.20 (>= 0.20-svn20070122) but 0.20–0.2ubuntu2~dapper1 is to be installed" for mythtv-frontend and -backend packages. Any ideas?

[04:47:39]

xris:

I know that Captain_Murdoch had some concerns about timing getting the visa, etc.

[04:48:07]

xris:

wrench: sounds like incompatible packages in your repositories

[04:48:11]

xris:

er, conflicting

[04:49:32]

MoRpHeUz:

xris: it would be really nice to have both you here...

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wrench:

how can i determine which repo it's getting 0.20–0.2ubuntu2~dapper1 from?

[04:50:04]

MoRpHeUz:

Captain_Murdoch: do you think that recoding it to queue any kind of job would make the patch more "acceptable" ?

[04:50:13]

xris:

MoRpHeUz: we both agree. :)

[04:50:17]

MoRpHeUz:

hehe

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orgy:

kormoc, I have my stb hooked up trough svideo, I was aware that the pvr150 cant tune above 125 but isnt the digital cable box doing that? I can watch and record all my channels no problem. Thanks for your help

[04:51:32]

xris:

wrench: I answered your question already

[04:51:36]

xris:

oops, stupid scrollback

[04:51:46]

xris:

wrench: apt-cache search

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orgy:

kormoc, I do have a ir blaster but havent hooked it up yet, so i just change the channel on the cable box a well in mythtv,

[04:52:05]

kormoc:

well?

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Captain_Murdoch:

MoRpHeUz: odds are I'd be the one committing it if it was accepted since it's JobQueue related and I wrote the JobQueue, so yes. :)

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xris:

Captain_Murdoch: speaking of which, I really need to start poking around in mythtranscode to muck with encoding to other formats.

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MoRpHeUz:

Captain_Murdoch: great...will recode that to accept any kind of JobQueue

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MoRpHeUz:

=D

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Captain_Murdoch:

MoRpHeUz: I'm basically thinking some commands like "JOBQUEUE ADD <CHANID> <STARTTIME> <TYPE>", "JOBQUEUE PAUSE <CHANID> <STARTTIME> <TYPE>", etc.. eventually I want to be able to specify a job priority so we can insert jobs that will start right away and run ahead of others in the queue.

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thequux_:

Hi.... I'm getting an error with running the frontend on a machine separate from the backend... see http://pastebin.com/887749 for the full error message

[05:08:43]

tank-man:

try this site, the other one is so slow http://rafb.net/paste/

[05:12:13]

tank-man:

why does it say "localhost" for the mysql db, is that right?

[05:12:35]

tank-man:

you said the machines are seperate

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thequux_:

tank-man: yes... I'm running mysql on both machines.

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tank-man:

both for mythtv?

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tank-man:

you only need one for mythtv

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thequux_:

I'd have it installed anyways, for development, so I didn't see a reason not to.

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tank-man:

i'm not familiar with mysql, but are the two mysql servers some how synced together? i think most setups are to have the mysql db for mythtv on the backend

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thequux_:

I could certainly try that...

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tank-man:

and on the frontend, you connect to the mysql db on the backend

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thequux_:

Just a moment while I do that...

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justdave:

and the little popup thing when you're changing channels still works

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mcquaid:

somehow my mythtv box drive got filled up and I'm having database issues since. Half of my channels have unknown across the board

[05:19:24]

mcquaid:

i've tried --do_channel_updates and --refresh-all and have restarted the backend a few times

[05:19:45]

mcquaid:

i checked the db with mysqlcheck and recordedseek did have an error and I repaired that but still the same

[05:19:53]

justdave:

mcquaid: log into the mysql shell and ... ok, you did that already :)

[05:20:42]

justdave:

mcquaid: log into the mysql shell and ... ok, you did that already :)?

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justdave:

you use something like zap2it for channel data?

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justdave:

sorry, hit the up arrow as I was hitting enter there :)

[05:21:22]

mcquaid:

yes i use zap2it

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mcquaid:

i logged in to zap2it my expiry isn't till april

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justdave:

what I've done in the past for that situation (although I got there another way :) ) was to go into mythtv-setup and use the "Delete All Channels" button on the channel editor (with it filtered to zap2it)

[05:22:18]

justdave:

then exit out of it and run mythfilldatabase from the shell

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mcquaid:

ok i'll give that a shot

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wrench:

xris: turns out I the superm1 repo was messing me up (everything i needed was already in the normal dapper repos) — thanks for the help

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thequux_:

Ok... it's configured, and I'm restarting mythfrontend...

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xris:

wrench: sorry for not paying attention.. glad it's resolved.

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thequux_:

YESSSSSSS!!! It's working.... but not sound. However, that brings up the second problem: even the swerver running the backend doesn't get sound.

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mcquaid:

justdave, that did the trick. thanks

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jpe-nyc:

hello all, can i use mythtv to record from video tape?

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justdave:

mcquaid: cool :)

[05:38:06]

justdave:

jpe-nyc: as long as you have a way to get the audio/video from your VCR into the Myth box then yes.

[05:38:34]

jpe-nyc:

I have a pvr-350. I thought I could, just having a devil of a time figuring it out.

[05:38:34]

justdave:

I do it on mine, have RCA cables from the VCR to the composite inputs on the capture card

[05:38:56]

justdave:

you have to define a video source for it in Myth though

[05:39:44]

justdave:

similar to the one you probably have set up for your channel data, name it whatever you feel like, and tell it not to retrieve channel data

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jpe-nyc:

how do I go about that, that is what I have

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jpe-nyc:

to figure out

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jpe-nyc:

I did that, but the card wont switch when i hit C.

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justdave:

then create at least one channel that uses taht source, which again, can be anything you want

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jpe-nyc:

let me try again, now that I have your kind karma with me.

[05:41:24]

justdave:

so in mythtv-setup, under Video Sources, I have one called Composite Input

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justdave:

listings grabber is set to "no grabber"

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justdave:

freq table is "default"

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jpe-nyc:

I had all of that but missed the 'no grabber'..

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justdave:

then in Channel Editor, do new channel, name it whatever (I called mine "Composite In"), for the channel number I put "AV Input" and the video source I put "Composite Input"

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jpe-nyc:

ahhhh....

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justdave:

left the defaults for everything else

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justdave:

then you have to go to Input Connections and map the composite inputs on your tuner to that video source

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justdave:

only important things to set there are to give it a name (like VCR or AV Input or whatever you feel like), set the source to your composite input source that you created, and the Starting Channel at the bottom (which should be the channel you created)

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justdave:

if you have a multi-tuner card, make sure to map the composite on each tuner

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jpe-nyc:

ok...

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jpe-nyc:

let me go through it from scratch now thank you so much

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jd86:

Is it possible to add support in the internal player for xvid?

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** justdave would assume so, since mine plays xvid **

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justdave:

but I got a preinstalled system and it already had that installed

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kormoc:

jd86, mine plays xvid just fine

[05:49:27]

jd86:

kormoc, perhaps mine isn't actually xvid. Its some mp4 file, and I have to use mplayer to play it. does the codecs supported by Internal depend on what it was compiled against, or ar they always the same?

[05:49:49]

justdave:

I have a libxvidcore4 package installed on my system, not sure if that's related

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kormoc:

jd86, myth uses it's own libavcodec, so it should be the same.

[05:50:09]

jd86:

hmm i wonder how I can tell what type of file it is

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kormoc:

jd86, run it in mplayer in a console and see what codec mplayer thinks it is

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jd86:

ok

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justdave:

are there any error logs for mythtv somewhere besides what shows on the console when you run it from there?

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kormoc:

that might work to just recontainer it

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justdave:

still trying to figure out how to debug the program guide crashing

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jd86:

oh cool.

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kormoc:

jd86, of course, don't make the output file the same as the input, and check the output before deleting the input :P

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justdave:

when I hit the S for program guide, everything goes blank and the screen blinks like it's trying to run something and it keep crashing, and it just keeps trying

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jd86:

kormoc, thanks, i'll save that and give it a try tomorrow

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jd86:

or well... later today ;-)

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kormoc:

heh, g'luck

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justdave:

don't see anything that looks like an error on the console

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jpe-nyc:

thanks justdave

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justdave:

jpe-nyc: no prob

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jd86:

have a good night kormoc

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justdave:

jpe-nyc: got it working I take it?

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kormoc:

justdave, you can increase the verbrosity of the console output with -v all (or -v blah if you know specifically what you want)

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** kormoc waves to jd86 **

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jpe-nyc:

yup

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justdave:

heh. "missing argument to -v/--verbose option"

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justdave:

guess it wants to know specifically :)

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** justdave tries --help **

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kormoc:

well, -v all gives it all :P

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jpe-nyc:

im not getting audio tho justdave any ideas

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justdave:

oh, yeah, you said -v all :) duh

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justdave:

jpe-nyc: from anything, or just from the av inputs?

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jpe-nyc:

av inputs

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justdave:

2007-02–24 01:01:06.717 VideoOutputXv: Chromakeying not possible with this XVideo port.

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justdave:

that's the only thing I see inside that loop that looks like it might be a relevant error.

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** justdave pokes around at the OSD settings **

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jpe-nyc:

justdave – i got it going...

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justdave:

hmm, don't see any settings that mention chromakey

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justdave:

maybe that's a dead end

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monkey__:

woo

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justdave:

ok, found additional errors in the .xsession-errors logfile

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justdave:

http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4171

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justdave:

that's the only thing that looks like an error that shows up in the loop that keeps repeating

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doc|home:

anyone got any idea why my channels are all called 'Adding channel' rather than the channel name?

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xris:

how did you add them?

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doc|home:

xris: using mythtv-setup's scan channels

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xris:

probably means there's no channel name info available in the stream

[08:19:02]

doc|home:

that's a bit crap, any way around it? :/

[08:19:11]

doc|home:

like getting xmltv to correct it?

[08:19:54]

xris:

if you have xmltv, why did you run a channel scan?

[08:20:24]

doc|home:

to get the channels, didn't know you didn't need to

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xris:

most people don't use the channel scan

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doc|home:

ah, ok

[08:21:08]

doc|home:

I'll delete them so and see if that helps

[08:21:38]

doc|home:

if mythtv-setup ever stops crashing ;/

[08:22:26]

xris:

:(

[08:23:28]

doc|home:

ok, channels deleted, what do I run to get xmltv to put the channel listings in? Will mythfilldatabase be enough?

[08:28:32]

xris:

should be

[08:28:48]

xris:

as long as your listings source is set up in mythtv-setup, and you associated that with one of your tuner inputs

[08:28:50]

doc|home:

hmmm, well, I ran the 'fetch channels from data source' thing

[08:29:09]

doc|home:

now running mythfilldb

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hardnova:

anyone experience strange behaviour in the mythsetup where the capture cards or inputs are no longer are listed ?

[08:30:55]

doc|home:

hardnova: yeah, once after initial setup. Cleared out the install and the db, started the install from scratch and it worked

[08:31:37]

xris:

hardnova: only in svn with firewire

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doc|home:

xris: thanks, that worked

[08:32:30]

xris:

:)

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doc|home:

oh, any way to get the saved files named some way nicer? :)

[08:32:48]

doc|home:

the names are currently somewhat cryptic :)

[08:33:27]

xris:

mythrename.pl in the contrib dir

[08:33:37]

xris:

but they're not really intended for use outside of mythtv.

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doc|home:

and to use it inside mythtv?

[08:34:21]

xris:

huh? in mythtv, you just go to "media library -> recordings" and they're all listed

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hardnova:

myth 20 i think still has some bugs

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doc|home:

yep, but I use mythtv on my desktop and want to allow my housemates access to them. Don't want them hoggig my machine :)

[08:35:25]

doc|home:

*hogging

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hads:

setup other frontends?

[08:36:06]

doc|home:

they use windows

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hads:

hardnova: All software has bugs

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xris:

hardnova: that's not surprising. most software does.

[08:36:59]

xris:

you could take a look at the bug report list to get an idea of how many *known* bugs there are. :)

[08:37:14]

xris:

doc|home: mythweb?

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doc|home:

hmmm

[08:37:30]

xris:

granted, would be easier once .21 is out with better streaming support.

[08:37:35]

xris:

in .20 the files just download.

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doc|home:

that'd do

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doc|home:

for now

[08:37:45]

xris:

anyway, use mythrename.pl with the --link option

[08:37:51]

xris:

and share the symlink dir out with samba

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xris:

works great (used to do it on the mythbox at work)

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hads:

The can fake http stream though

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doc|home:

thanks, mythweb sounds like it'd be less hassle

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xris:

doc|home: next mythweb has asx streaming, too (which is fake streaming, but works)

[08:38:34]

doc|home:

don't want to make it too easy or they'll get into a habit of asking me to record stuff :)

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doc|home:

suits me

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doc|home:

xris: cool

[08:48:07]

xris:

hardnova: svn.mythtv.org

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doc|home:

well, that's just freaky. So, I'm setting up a vhost for mythweb on this box, and I choose doctv.com (easy to remember). Anyway, turns out doctv.com are a company based in the city where I live

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hads:

Huh. You randomly choose actual domain names?

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xris:

heh. I just added a mythtv subdomain.

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doc|home:

hads: weird :)

[08:52:09]

hads:

Why not just use whatever.local or something?

[08:52:39]

** doc|home shrugs. **

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onewheelskyward:

Can you create hostnames in your hosts file that have an invalid tld?

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doc|home:

don't see why not

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hads:

You can put whatever you want in there.

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onewheelskyward:

That's one way to do it.

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xris:

onewheelskyward: localdomain is actually a valid tld, sort of

[08:54:35]

hads:

Local DNS is useful.

[08:55:07]

xris:

hads: running your own dns is, too

[08:55:13]

onewheelskyward:

hehe....PING blah.beef.bargain (127.0.0.1)

[08:55:28]

onewheelskyward:

localdomain is too hard to type.

[08:55:45]

xris:

onewheelskyward: that's why you add it to your search domains list

[08:55:50]

** kormoc just registered kormoc.com and uses it **

[08:56:27]

hads:

xris: Yeah, that too. I have different DNS externally and internally – don't need to publish all my internal aliases on my public servers :)

[08:56:49]

xris:

hads: that's what views are for

[08:56:51]

onewheelskyward:

hads: indeed. Especially since the local ones are likely private IP's.

[08:57:59]

hads:

xris: True, I'm no fancy bind admin though :)

[08:58:00]

xris:

onewheelskyward: localhost.siliconmechanics.com

[08:58:15]

xris:

hads: me, neither. it's pretty easy once it's all set up, though

[08:58:46]

hads:

True

[08:59:08]

** xris should set something up like that with a less obvious name, and let people try to hack it. :) **

[08:59:51]

hads:

Never really looked into views, maybe I will. It's easy running a seperate local instance though.

[09:00:15]

xris:

hads: views are easy. you basically just set up a separate zonefile

[09:01:12]

hads:

just reading about them :)

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gardengnome:

where do you look for that setting?

[09:30:49]

hardnova:

gardengnome, are you talking to me ?

[09:32:10]

gardengnome:

yep

[09:33:09]

gardengnome:

why tf is this channel's mode +s?

[09:33:41]

Garre1:

hey

[09:33:56]

hardnova:

gardengnome, mythtvconfig -> inputs -> Tuner ( channel preset )

[09:34:50]

gardengnome:

hardnova: there's no such thing as mythtvconfig in vanilla mythtv.

[09:34:54]

hardnova:

but on exit of the mythtvconfig is says oh card/tuner is preset to channel 3 which doesnt exsist do you want me to fix this

[09:35:47]

xris:

wtf is mythtvconfig?

[09:35:54]

hardnova:

say yes, do the mythtv config again and its the same question, or say no edit the tuner preset channel and its still the same exit question something is broken

[09:36:25]

hardnova:

xris , wtf do you think it is ?

[09:36:34]

xris:

hardnova: I don't know. It's not a mythtv program

[09:37:07]

gardengnome:

it might just be a fancy name for mythtv-setup. probably by the same package maintainer who came up with "mythaudio" instead of "mythmusic" ;)

[09:37:17]

hardnova:

xris , what is mythtvsetup if it is not a configuration program , stop being a fw!

[09:37:44]

xris:

hardnova: it's important to know that you're not using some whacked-out third party configuration app.

[09:38:01]

xris:

if you mean mythtvsetup, say mythtvsetup.

[09:41:19]

hardnova:

also when you delete all tuners why is the next tunner you add come up as the next indexed number eg,

[09:41:40]

xris:

mysql keeps track of ids.

[09:42:53]

xris:

sounds like something's f'd up in your config

[09:43:26]

hardnova:

xris, well done for stating the obvious

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** gardengnome raises an eyebrow **

[09:44:09]

gardengnome:

if you want people to help you, you'd better not piss them off.

[09:44:13]

** gardengnome wanders off **

[09:44:15]

hardnova:

xris, i dont think its my config though I think its bad preograming

[09:44:32]

xris:

hardnova: what distro are you running, and how did you install mythtv?

[09:45:23]

hardnova:

fc6 myth-suite from atrpms

[09:45:41]

xris:

hardnova: btw, you've definitely picked up on how the best way to get help is to insult the software devs.

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xris:

hardnova: and you're at a point where you can blow away your db and start from scratch?

[09:47:39]

opello:

i think i had that problem when i upgraded and included my backed up db

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hardnova:

xris, it did this same thing before on another install seperate hdd so I think its more like a bug

[09:47:58]

opello:

i just dropped the db, and deleted the tuner bits from the .sql i imported

[09:48:05]

xris:

hardnova: what part?

[09:48:17]

hardnova:

i have not imported any old config

[09:48:41]

Machtin:

01:02.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7146 (rev 01) <- that's what lspci -v tells me... would i need that-kernel-module: < > Philips-Semiconductors 'dpc7146 demonstration board'? got 2.6.20-kernel

[09:48:54]

xris:

hardnova: because so far, you've been doing things that hundreds of other people have had no problem with.

[09:48:59]

hardnova:

but it did this on fresh install of FC6 x86_64 where it was running very slow so i grabbed another Hard disk and tried the 32bit version

[09:49:33]

mau:

I just setup the backend of mythtv... I tried running /etc/cron/daily/mythtv-backend, but authorization failed. has anybody run across this?

[09:49:55]

xris:

mau: what's that script supposed to do, and what kind of auth?

[09:50:17]

xris:

hardnova: followed a guide, or even better, the official documentation?

[09:50:27]

mau:

it told me to run it to populate the db with the scanned channels

[09:50:41]

gardengnome:

mau: try #v4l or #linuxtv

[09:50:42]

hardnova:

xris , maybe I will just talk to someone that knows something

[09:51:22]

xris:

hardnova: I'm sensing some frustration, but that's no reason for insults.

[09:51:52]

** Machtin also is frustrated :D **

[09:52:16]

Machtin:

though, i accepted, that my computer just likes to piss me off :)

[09:52:18]

hardnova:

xris , does the config have a debug console to check the results of the sql commands because I dont think that its working

[09:52:24]

Machtin:

-,

[09:52:29]

xris:

Machtin: linuxtv.org?

[09:52:35]

xris:

hardnova: -v all

[09:52:40]

Garre1:

Can I use Mythtv like I would on frontrow for mac?

[09:52:42]

xris:

or -v sql (I think)

[09:52:57]

xris:

Garre1: frontrow is just a basic dvr, no?

[09:52:59]

Machtin:

xris: what to look for there?

[09:53:06]

Garre1:

Not really

[09:53:11]

xris:

Machtin: you asked what driver you would need for your card, no?

[09:53:26]

Machtin:

somehow.. yes

[09:53:33]

Garre1:

It's that program that plays music and videos on your computer

[09:53:43]

Garre1:

not on through TV

[09:53:44]

xris:

Garre1: sorry, confusing it with the osx dvr software.

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xris:

anyway, yes, mythtv can work like that (though probably not as pretty)

[09:54:19]

Garre1:

Cool

[09:54:40]

xris:

Machtin: google for that lspci line

[09:54:45]

Garre1:

I was thinking about using my Mobile phone for a remote

[09:54:57]

Machtin:

okay :) will try to

[09:55:50]

xris:

Machtin: though if it's a v4l card, #v4l or #linuxtv would also be a good start (I think gardengnome meant to type your name instead of mau above)

[09:56:11]

Machtin:

ah, okay

[09:56:58]

galorin:

Can anyone make a reccomendation for a 2nd tuner card? The nova-t I've got runs a tad hot, and I was wondering if there's another card that runs cooler that I can stick in as well.

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daMaestro:

sweet.. mythtv is looking cool

[09:58:33]

hardnova:

xris , oh and it -v database for future refrence

[09:58:41]

daMaestro:

so, how do i adjust volume when i have no remote?

[09:59:17]

xris:

hardnova: thx. I just use "all" and grep when I use it.

[09:59:35]

xris:

daMaestro: keys.txt

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daMaestro:

is there a keyboard shortcut reference i should be looking at

[09:59:43]

daMaestro:

aha

[09:59:49]

Machtin:

by the way.. in case someone would want to watch paytv, could he do that with mythtv?

[10:00:06]

xris:

Machtin: depends on what you mean by pay tv.

[10:00:07]

Machtin:

If he got the keys, of course

[10:00:08]

hardnova:

ok found the bug

[10:00:18]

xris:

hardnova: ?

[10:00:29]

hardnova:

xris , hostname

[10:00:36]

xris:

what about it?

[10:00:50]

Machtin:

xris: sorry? something like premiere in germany.. in case you know that

[10:01:08]

xris:

Machtin: sorry, not familiar. but on that note, you might want to try #mythtv-de

[10:01:08]

hardnova:

xris , it selects the database field on hostname, so if the hostname changes it messes it up

[10:01:22]

Machtin:

okay ^^

[10:01:23]

xris:

hardnova: oh, yeah. that's how it works.

[10:01:25]

Machtin:

thanksie

[10:01:45]

Garre1:

What's with the host name?

[10:02:01]

xris:

Garre1: mythtv ties settings to the hostname of the machine

[10:02:14]

hardnova:

so when i have selected delete all video cards its only deleting the ones under the current hostname and not the previous one

[10:02:35]

Garre1:

So I just put in my computers name and password?

[10:02:54]

hardnova:

xris , i have to wonder why address the field by hostname at all ?

[10:03:27]

xris:

hardnova: huh?

[10:03:35]

xris:

different backend, different tuners.

[10:04:10]

xris:

when you changed hostnames without blowing away the db, mythtv just thought you were setting up a second backend.

[10:04:21]

hardnova:

xris , ok but if you select "delete ALL cards " then it should not select by host

[10:04:37]

xris:

I believe that UI has been clarified in SVN.

[10:04:47]

xris:

mythtv-setup only applies to "this" host

[10:04:58]

xris:

well, for hardware stutff

[10:05:41]

hardnova:

xris , ok well at least I have sorted out where that problem came from

[10:06:00]

Garre1:

Is MythTV stable?

[10:06:05]

hardnova:

note for the future , dont change hostname :P

[10:06:15]

xris:

sorry. I just assumed you had blown away the whole db when you said you reinstalled

[10:06:21]

xris:

Garre1: generally speaking, yes.

[10:06:48]

Garre1:

I think I'll just try it out

[10:07:02]

xris:

I've been running it for over 4 years and have had more trouble with cable boxes and satellite receivers than mythtv itself.

[10:07:36]

Garre1:

haha

[10:07:55]

Garre1:

I want to use my desktop with Mythtv

[10:08:03]

Garre1:

I don't know about my laptop though

[10:08:11]

Garre1:

Maybe just to run movies

[10:08:23]

xris:

you're better off with a general movie player if you just want movies.

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xris:

mythtv's really designed primarily for tv recording/playback

[10:08:36]

Garre1:

aight

[10:08:41]

xris:

the music/video stuff is secondary.

[10:09:01]

xris:

plus, it's designed to be used with a remote (i.e. no mouse)

[10:09:40]

Garre1:

Ya I saw that when I put it on my dad's

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mau:

i'm trying to run mythtv-backend restart... but i keep getting "Access Denied for user 'mythtv@localhost

[10:38:27]

mau:

unable to set initgroups with gid 116

[10:38:39]

mau:

anybody know what that means?

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doc_:

hi there

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mau:

how do i run a terminal command as root?

[10:51:09]

Machtin:

sudo <command>, or su root, and then the command

[10:51:27]

Machtin:

both should require passwords.. in case your system is secure

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clever_:

i just had an idea to speed up mythtv rebuildings

[11:11:27]

clever_:

if you have a multi frontend setup

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clever_:

distcc all the front and backends together

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doc|home:

hmmm, I updated my channel listings using the XMLTV method rather than the channel search method and now it's not recording the correct channel. Anyone any idea why?

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Ruleke:

moo :)

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Dibblah:

Moo?

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Dibblah:

Raid0 for... less important recordings.

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Dibblah:

juski: Use storage groups much?

[12:26:06]

juski:

never

[12:26:13]

juski:

not interested in them either

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Dibblah:

Heh.

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Ruleke:

moo as in the cow that sees a train go by... never used storage groups myself

[12:26:50]

juski:

don't use livetv, don't use mythmusic, don't use mythgame... pfft :)

[12:27:02]

Ruleke:

grrr this dvb channel scanner is still not doing the right thing :(

[12:27:17]

Ruleke:

while the dvb-utils scan utility _does_

[12:27:22]

juski:

IMHO no TV is worth getting into a frizz about

[12:27:27]

Dibblah:

... Since life is not worth living if Neighbors gets lost for some reason.

[12:27:31]

Ruleke:

even though I think it really is a faulty table on the cable

[12:27:39]

Dibblah:

And if I lose Corrie... Oh dear.

[12:28:29]

Dibblah:

Cable is generally non-standards compliant in one way or another.

[12:28:47]

Dibblah:

Since, well, they assume they'll only be talking to their own gear.

[12:29:08]

Ruleke:

It's just a problem for 1 transport, and I wonder how dvb-utils gets it right...

[12:29:34]

Ruleke:

It's also the transport with the dozens of PIDs ... hmm

[12:29:46]

juski:

Ruleke: if there's a problem with myth's scanner, developers need to see evidence of it so it can be fixed ;)

[12:30:34]

Ruleke:

yeah I talked about it some, always seem to conclude the tables are wrong

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Ruleke:

so I use dvb-utils scan and edit the database :-/

[12:31:04]

Ruleke:

then it all works nicely

[12:31:54]

Ruleke:

finally getting some hdtv h264 stuff on cable here :)

[12:32:18]

juski:

good luck playing that in linux

[12:32:30]

janneg:

Ruleke: the tables can't be that wrong if dvbscan finds useful information

[12:32:47]

Ruleke:

janneg: yeah I thought so too

[12:33:17]

Ruleke:

janneg: It's the same problem I talked to you about a few times... it's the same TS that opens more PIDs than the hardware can handle

[12:34:11]

janneg:

juski: thanks, but not necessary. It works here almost. almost as in my processor isn't fast enough to display all scenes without frame drops

[12:34:52]

Ruleke:

I just want to record the h264 stuff for now, playback will be on a windows box for testing

[12:35:51]

janneg:

Ruleke: and that's the only multiplex which you can't scan correctly with mythtv?

[12:35:51]

Dibblah:

You have seen the coreavc patches, right?

[12:35:57]

Ruleke:

yeah

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janneg:

Dibblah: yeah and ignored them

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Ruleke:

janneg: btw, changeset 12800 and friends for ticket 1970 doesn't seem to work for me... it still opens too many and I'm spammed with 'errors' during scan of that stream

[12:36:46]

Dibblah:

Not the right way to do it, of course.

[12:37:00]

juski:

fuck. stupid mortgage provider. I told them I didn't want their payment protection insurance but they've sent me a letter confirming they've arranged it for me. IDIOTS

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juski:

like I don't have enough bloody running around to do. argghh!

[12:38:35]

janneg:

Ruleke: #1970 is only for recording, the scanner uses different reading functions and has no protection against too much open pid filters

[12:39:37]

juski:

this er.. whole mux recording stuff then... isn't the variable number of PID filters on some hardware going to prove er.. problematic for that? ;)

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Ruleke:

janneg: ok that's what I needed to hear :) cheers

[12:41:08]

Ruleke:

juski: when recording the mux ? not sure you'd need pid filters then :P

[12:41:49]

juski:

so myth would be doing the PID filtering itself to take the streams off to separate files... bye bye low cpu usage then?

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Dibblah:

CPU usage for filtering is minimal.

[12:42:43]

Dibblah:

It's an option on the b2c2 boards and makes virtually no difference.

[12:42:43]

Ruleke:

janneg: and some USB bandwith-limited devices ?

[12:42:53]

Dibblah:

Bandwidth usage is nasty, though.

[12:42:57]

juski:

disappointing in some ways cos I wanna slap the people begging for the feature ;)

[12:43:07]

janneg:

the only other hardware which is limited to hardware filters are usb1.1 devices

[12:43:17]

Ruleke:

:)

[12:43:24]

Dibblah:

It's silly anyway, since it makes the scheduler non-deterministic, almost.

[12:43:33]

janneg:

but they have not enough bandwith for more than one channel

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juski:

fack me! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-Elonex-Artisan-Medi . . . cmdZViewItem

[12:46:20]

janneg:

Ruleke: if it's only one mux all I (or somebody else) need to port the pid filter code to dvbsignalmonitor

[12:46:31]

gardengnome:

yay for pentium 4 3 GHz HTPCs. no more central heating needed ;)

[12:46:51]

janneg:

juski: the filtering is done in the driver

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Ruleke:

janneg: sorry I didn't grok what you just said... you need what ?

[12:47:23]

juski:

janneg: ah

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juski:

I was only looking for possible 2x4s to smack the beggars with

[12:48:41]

janneg:

the code in dvbrecorder.cpp which limits the number of filter once it see an arrow, has to be added to dvbsignalmonitor.cpp

[12:49:03]

janneg:

juski: just ignore them

[12:49:49]

Ruleke:

janneg: ah yes ok

[12:51:38]

Ruleke:

well at least I now have the code that limits the filters during record

[12:51:50]

Ruleke:

upgraded to latest -fixes

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Ruleke:

cheers for that

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juski:

blimey this isn't bad either: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . romot_widget

[12:53:24]

juski:

though 28dBA would prolly be audible in my livingroom

[12:56:21]

juski:

lol... what planet is this guy living on?

[12:56:22]

juski:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MythTV-Digital-Video-So . . . cmdZViewItem

[12:56:44]

juski:

it's even 'better *then* tivo' ! o/

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gardengnome:

i think part of this auction was stolen from mythtv.org.

[12:57:50]

gardengnome:

s/part/most/

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juski:

people are buying/have bought it too

[12:58:38]

juski:

so er.. $9.50 for the CD & $8.99 for shipping when I could uhhh download a knoppmyth torrent for free?!

[12:58:40]

Ruleke:

janneg: I get stuff like "SDT: Error determing what transport this service table is associated with so failing" in stdout and "Found channel, but it doesn't match existing tsid. You may wish to delete ex [runs of screen here]" in the gui

[12:59:03]

** juski tries to find the 'report seller' option **

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gardengnome:

yes.

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gardengnome:

juski: well, there's nothing (legally) wrong with selling GPL software

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gardengnome:

juski: heh, he also sells flightgear. i'd love to know what kind of manual he sells with mythtv

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juski:

and wtf if 'linux xp pro 2006' ?!

[13:01:55]

juski:

s/if/is

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Ruleke:

hehe it's a scam

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Beirdo:

juski, http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/files/IR_Dongle_schematic.pdf

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Beirdo:

in case you were curious :)

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Ruleke:

Isn't that the standard lirc schematic ? :)

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Beirdo:

hell no

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Ruleke:

oh

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Beirdo:

and on the reciever, I actually put the DCD lines to "proper" RS-232 levels rather than 5V/0V

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Beirdo:

DCD line rather

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: did you make that with eagle?

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

what's marked as the circuit ground is actually -5 to -15V when referenced to the RS-232 GND line :)

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Beirdo:

anyways, I've built the transmit part of it, haven't bothered with the recieve part yet

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hardnova:

is the news section rss feed ?

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Beirdo:

gardengnome, did a 2-layer board layout too :)

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: nifty. glad you liked my suggestion

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Beirdo:

the free version is good enough for home hobby use

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Beirdo:

thanks again, gardengnome :) makes life simpler to have a real schematic capture and layout tool :)

[13:35:39]

Beirdo:

and running under Linux too, I might add

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juski:

I might do up my cat5 video/audio tx/rx circuit in Eagle

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Beirdo:

seems like a good enough tool :)

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juski:

I would've put the input at the LHS though ;)

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Beirdo:

hehe, yeah well

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Beirdo:

that's still possible

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Beirdo:

I may actually just do that.

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juski:

makes it easier to read :)

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juski:

looks like a quality schema though

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Beirdo:

D3 is important if you want the 7805 to survive longer when you unpower it :)

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Beirdo:

I forget which of my coworkers showed me that one, but it's possible that the caps on the output side stay charged longer, and drive current into the output of the regulator

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Beirdo:

they don't like that much

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juski:

I'd have used a lower value for that

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juski:

like 100nF

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Beirdo:

well, that's partially to act as further bulk charge

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Beirdo:

not as much for filtering ripple

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juski:

but on the +5V line – what's the point?

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juski:

ah I see

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Beirdo:

when you transmit IR, it draws C4 down significantly, almost discharging

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Beirdo:

so the charge in C3 gives a bit more oomph before it dies out.. as you aren't drawing much from the serial port

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Beirdo:

drawing like 5mA from the serial port and C3 (through R3)

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juski:

wouldn't have thought that a residual charge on the reg output would kill it though

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Beirdo:

but yeah, a 100nF would be gould

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Beirdo:

good even

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Beirdo:

it can

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Beirdo:

I've seen it happen, rarely does though

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Beirdo:

if the unregulated side discharges rapidly, and the regulated side not so rapidly, you end up with 5V on the output, 0V on the input

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Beirdo:

ever hooked one up backwards?

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

BLAM!

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juski:

can't say I ever have

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juski:

;)

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Beirdo:

it's "idiot-proofing", but for the cost of one more diode, what the heck

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juski:

did it even need a dual-layer board?

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Beirdo:

barely :)

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Beirdo:

there are a few signals that cross.

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Beirdo:

but what the heck ;) I did mine on a prepunched solder version of a breadboard :)

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Beirdo:

on my board layout, I poured the ground on the bottom

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juski:

heheh you know more about pcb design than 2 of the guys at work already

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Beirdo:

and poured the RS232 ground on part of the top, and +5V on another part

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Beirdo:

hehe

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juski:

we've just done an SMPSU for a dome camera & the tracking is *horrendous*

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Beirdo:

well, I *did* get a degree in Elec. Eng. like 10 years ago :)

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juski:

they had a gnd going between layers ffs

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Beirdo:

ewww

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Beirdo:

I ideally would want a 4-layer board, but they are impossible to do at home, and I don't like paying to get boards made :)

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Beirdo:

outer layers signal, inner Vdd and GND

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Beirdo:

whatever Vdd is in my design

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juski:

not to mention that the actual dome itself – the video output amp is almost on the opposite end of the board to where the output connections are

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Beirdo:

oh wow

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juski:

it's a shade unstable.. DUH!

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Beirdo:

lets maximize the noise

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juski:

by the time you add the pre-compensation (gain & HF lift) it just oscillates

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Beirdo:

and this week on "Good Designs Gone Bad"

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juski:

I don't have a degree but I know what they should've done

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Beirdo:

jeez

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juski:

turned it on 1st time, there was blue smoke

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Beirdo:

with little flames?

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juski:

no shorts – just broken traces :)

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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juski:

like of *course* it was never gonna deliver 40W

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Beirdo:

I had a coworker blow up a board in the lab once... while my back was turned.

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Beirdo:

I bitched him out and told him next time I wanna see the flames

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juski:

lol

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juski:

I hate PSUs

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juski:

I used to test & debug em for a living

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Beirdo:

he shorted +48V across a relay by mistake... put the relay in wrong

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juski:

oops!

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Beirdo:

stupid telco equipment from hell

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juski:

anyway.. g2g do some stuff

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Beirdo:

seeya :)

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Beirdo:

OK, juski... flipped the input section to the left of the schematic ;) new PDF is there

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hardnova:

is there some kind of advantage of using mplayer over xine that im missing ?

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GreyFoxx:

each has it's own benefits

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GreyFoxx:

xine does dvd menus

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GreyFoxx:

mplayer doesn't

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GreyFoxx:

unless they recently added it

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GreyFoxx:

mplayer plays some videos "better" than xine.

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GreyFoxx:

you have to pick what you find the best

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hardnova:

well mplayer must have changes as it seems to be doing dvd menu now

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GreyFoxx:

must be something they recently added

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quicksilver:

I find the myth internal player pretty good these days

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quicksilver:

and I value the consistency

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quicksilver:

(consistent keybindings, consistent OSD)

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GreyFoxx:

quicksilver: I use it for pretty much everything

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jonty:

I wish myth played videos internally too, using xine-lib or some such

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jonty:

I really wish the UI was consistent

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GreyFoxx:

jonty: Set the player to "Internal" and it will

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jonty:

GreyFoxx, only for DVD's

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GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

mythvideo as well

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jonty:

You're kidding

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jonty:

really??

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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GreyFoxx:

I've been using it with myth video since the summer of 2005

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jonty:

Oh my god, why oh why isn't that documented!

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jonty:

Hmm, time to install xone-lib then

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jonty:

*xine-lib

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GreyFoxx:

It is, in fact it's also the default

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GreyFoxx:

you don't need xine-lib

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jonty:

Hmm

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GreyFoxx:

it has everything it needs

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jonty:

GreyFoxx, what video formats can it play using the base install?

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GreyFoxx:

anything ffmpeg can play. Myth uses the libavcodec.avformat libraries

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jonty:

Wow, my girlfriend will love that

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jonty:

Can it do position saving in the same way as recorded tv?

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GreyFoxx:

yup :)

[14:35:02]

jonty:

I just fell in love with mythtv all over again

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GreyFoxx:

ehhe

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jonty:

I just wish I wasn't currently fixing my install so I could go try that

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jonty:

The whole internal thing should really be a checkbox rather than text

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GreyFoxx:

jonty: IT's the default as of 0.20

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jonty:

(A checkbox that disables the text field, obv)

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Xteven:

gug

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GreyFoxx:

on new installs and such

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jonty:

GreyFoxx, yeah, I've been upgrading since 0.16, so didn't see it :)

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GreyFoxx:

jonty: Good idea

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jonty:

I might knock out a patch to do that actually

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Xteven:

I managed to have something recording according to the schedule, but how can I watch it ? I would think media library -> watch recordings, but the recording is not in there

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Xteven:

s/recording/recorded/

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GreyFoxx:

Xteven: Maybe your filter doesn't show it

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Xteven:

filter ?

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Xteven:

hm

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GreyFoxx:

From Watch recordings, hit M, pick Change Recording Group

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GreyFoxx:

then try the other options like All programs, or Default or something

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Xteven:

aaaah there it is

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Xteven:

strange :) how did I get it like this

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jonty:

The filters confused the hell out of my at first

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Xteven:

thx

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GreyFoxx:

REcording groups are nice. All of my daughters stuff does into it's own group so I don't have to wade through it :)

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jonty:

Nice idea

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jonty:

GreyFoxx, does she have her own frontend?

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GreyFoxx:

and there is a "IWatchedIt" group I put stuff in that I have seen that my wife hasn't

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GreyFoxx:

jonty: There are 5 frontends around the house :)

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jonty:

Wow, nice

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GreyFoxx:

though 99% of her watching is on the main frontend in the livingroom

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jonty:

I've got an xbox sitting here waiting to become our bedroom frontend, but I've not had time yet

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GreyFoxx:

she's not quite 3 yet :)

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Xteven:

is setting up channels in xmltv as hard as I've done it ?

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Xteven:

or did I do something wrong

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WeezeyD:

I'm looking for someone running SVN.

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GreyFoxx:

Xteven: Thankfully I haven't had to deal with xmltv in a long time

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Xteven:

GreyFoxx : you use vbi ?

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jonty:

Hahaha, I just started Steam (The gaming platform) and it told me to upgrade windows.....I'm running it under wine and must have forgotten to set windows to another version :P

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GreyFoxx:

Xteven: Nope

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GreyFoxx:

weezy: what are you looking for?

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Xteven:

GreyFoxx : all my ears and eyes are on your answer :P

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GreyFoxx:

My SVN install is aweek old (today is update day)

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Xteven:

GreyFoxx : what do you use then ?

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WeezeyD:

GreyFoxx: Mine's about a week old too. I'm having a problem where slave backends re-connect to the master every minute

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GreyFoxx:

Xteven: zap2it's data direct. Basically a direct xml feed of program listings available in northa america

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Xteven:

ah ok

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Xteven:

belgium didn't get that smart yet

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WeezeyD:

GreyFoxx: and then, I'm having a weird issue (I'm running the 1660 patch on that backend) where it will lose connectivity to the master but doesn't crash.

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GreyFoxx:

WeezeyD: thankfully I haven't had to use any of that

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GreyFoxx:

my BFSQ takes 2 seconds

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GreyFoxx:

so no dropping data

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WeezeyD:

mine takes 30

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GreyFoxx:

I did have a huge problem with it when I was running 2.6.19.1

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GreyFoxx:

but I moved to 2.6.19.2 and the just went away"

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WeezeyD:

hmm, I'm still running varieties of 2.6.18

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GreyFoxx:

You must have some power searches in there

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WeezeyD:

yeah 2 weeks of data, 500 channels

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WeezeyD:

two sources.

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GreyFoxx:

same here, almost exactly

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WeezeyD:

and about 10 recordings per day

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jonty:

500 channels! Crikey.

[14:47:11]

WeezeyD:

I need to buy a 64bit machine to run it.

[14:47:35]

WeezeyD:

but I can't afford anything until the summer.

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GreyFoxx:

My daughters stuff is recording all the time and autoexpiring so there is always a"new" espisode to watch

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WeezeyD:

I've got my neighbours on so they have their own slave/frontend

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WeezeyD:

network cable runs outside into their living room from my basement

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Ruleke:

Xteven: I'm not using any xmltv data atm :)

[14:48:40]

jonty:

You have a multi-house mythtv system?

[14:48:45]

WeezeyD:

yeah man

[14:48:46]

jonty:

That is awesome!

[14:48:52]

Ruleke:

Xteven: Belgium too :P

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WeezeyD:

I'm hoping to hook up the other neighbours next fall.

[14:49:09]

WeezeyD:

after I get some of my crashing resolved.

[14:49:29]

WeezeyD:

then I'm going to get rid of their inputs and just get another receiver in my basement

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jonty:

I'm just suffering from skipping in recordings all the time atm, I think it's the DVB signal sucking where I am, but cant be sure.

[14:51:18]

Xteven:

Ruleke : what do you use ?

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Ruleke:

DVB-C :)

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Xteven:

ah

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Xteven:

I've been meaning to look something up about that

[14:56:26]

Xteven:

are all channels still multiplexed on the cable ?

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Xteven:

or does it carry just one ? so even if you have 2 decoders, you can only get 1 channel ?

[14:57:37]

Ruleke:

not sure what you mean

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Ruleke:

I don't use a decoder

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Ruleke:

I use a dvb card

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Xteven:

like a tuner

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Ruleke:

all channels are there in their muxes, not sure what you mean

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Xteven:

ah

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Xteven:

so if you had 2 cards, you could get 2 channels ?

[14:58:39]

Ruleke:

sure

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Xteven:

interesting

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Xteven:

that's what I figured too

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Xteven:

belgacom adsl only carries 1 channel I believe

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Xteven:

I'm considering switching to dvb too

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Xteven:

but for now, I can live with the noise in my recordings :)

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Ruleke:

that's not dvb

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Ruleke:

they just stream data through the internet

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Xteven:

ah

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Xteven:

even better

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Ruleke:

nah I don't think you can get to it easily

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Ruleke:

just use DVB-c from In.di, it's all there on the cable, no subscription for the standard channels (all the analogue ones + 10 extra)

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Xteven:

my provider doesn't have digital tv yet :(

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Xteven:

but then again

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Xteven:

they were bought by telenet

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Xteven:

:)

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Xteven:

so might expect something soon

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Ruleke:

oh

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Ruleke:

which one is that ?

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hardnova:

there any additional info on the mythmusic visualizer ?/

[15:03:36]

Xteven:

UPC leuven

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Xteven:

www.upcbelgium.be

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anykey_:

Someone knows how to troubleshoot IR-transmitter with LIRC?

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Ruleke:

I'm glad I'm not in the telenet zone, they use their own encryption locked away in the set-top box... for all channels ! :-/

[15:04:07]

hardnova:

anykey_ irw

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Ruleke:

then again, they charge for pausing your tv program :)

[15:04:42]

hardnova:

anykey_ is lirc loading ?

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anykey_:

hardnova: yes

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Ruleke:

I'll never get that telenet box :P

[15:04:58]

Xteven:

ugh

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anykey_:

hardnova: it sends commands, but the box doesn't respond..

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hardnova:

anykey_ just use irw to capture the keys

[15:05:14]

Xteven:

what's in.di ? your provider ?

[15:05:30]

anykey_:

hardnova: actually I want to *send* with lirc

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hardnova:

anykey_ irblaster ?

[15:05:57]

anykey_:

hardnova: yes

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anykey_:

hardnova: I would record the keys with irrecord and send them with irsend, right?

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hardnova:

anykey_ if you have a digital camera point it at the sender make sure its sending ir

[15:06:34]

Ruleke:

Xteven: the alternative to telenet, it's the digital tv used by integan, wvem, pbe, etc

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Ruleke:

all the ones that didn't get bought by telenet basically

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anykey_:

hardnova: I only have a still camera :|

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Xteven:

oh

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anykey_:

hardnova: can I see it there too?

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hardnova:

anykey_ if its IR sensitive yes

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anykey_:

hm i'll try

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hardnova:

anykey_ having confirmed your irblaster is sending IR then you need to look at the codes , use the remote that works with the device to see the code I use irw

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hardnova:

then use irsend to send that same code

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anykey_:

hardnova: I think i'm sending the right codes, I recorded them with the original remote..

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hardnova:

anykey_ you can do one code manualy to get started

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hardnova:

anykey_ channel change or pause , just sample the code with irw

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anykey_:

hm, first I want to see *if* it's sending, I have found a webcam

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hardnova:

anykey_ yea its good to check its doing any flashing

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hardnova:

mythmusic visuals are done with what ?

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gbee:

custom stuff based on mq3

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gbee:

basically understands a range of visualizers after they've been slightly modified

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hardnova:

gbee is there any info out there on adding to the visuals

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gbee:

not that I know of, you'd probably have to ask someone who has already done it or look at the code

[15:23:58]

Dibblah:

Wow. Apparently, my server needed to page out 0.6 bytes. I knew Linux could be granular with swap, but isn't that a little rediculous? ;)

[15:24:14]

Dibblah:

(Actually, it's a dstat bug)

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hardnova:

fftw

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gbee:

is used for some, but not all of the visuals

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anykey_:

hardnova: actually it doesn't seem to be sending anything..

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gbee:

althought having said that I'm not sure if it's actually true, whatever the case, fftw just provides the fft capability required for the rapid equations

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briand:

you would think that "rft" would give you -rapid- equations... ;)

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** briand ducks. **

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** gbee declares duck hunting season open **

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hardnova:

anykey_ well that may just be the problem then

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hardnova:

anykey_ check your device configuration

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anykey_:

hardnova: hm, I see in 'dmesg' when loading the lirc_serial module that it finds a active low *receiver*, shouldn't it find a transmitter?

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hardnova:

anykey_ maybe point the blaster at your ir reciever and use irw while you use irsend see if it pick up the transmition

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Ruleke:

:-(

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anykey_:

hardnova: any ideas?

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hardnova:

anykey_ im looking hang on

[15:39:42]

anykey_:

ah sorry =)

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hardnova:

anykey_ -> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_an . . . _with_MythTV

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** briand hits anykey_ to continue... **

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hardnova:

anykey_ i think you need to check the config carefuly , i wish i could be more help but im not irblasting at the moment

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hardnova:

anykey_ did you install lirc as a binary or compile youself ?

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anykey_:

hardnova: I'm using gentoo, USE="transmitter" and LIRC_DEVICES="serial"

[15:43:11]

hardnova:

anykey_ check your permitions to your serial dev

[15:43:30]

hardnova:

anykey_ make sure the mythtv user can write to it

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anykey_:

hardnova: I don't use any mythtv yet

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anykey_:

hardnova: and i'm irsend'ing as root

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hardnova:

anykey_ oh ok hmmm

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anykey_:

it has to be a problem with the device, because I don't see it sending...

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anykey_:

(on the camera)

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hardnova:

anykey_ test the camera can see IR with a remote ?

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anykey_:

yes, it does

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hardnova:

so its not sending , the serial port is working

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anykey_:

hm, I don't know how could I find out if the port is ok?

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hardnova:

work systematicly backwards

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hardnova:

plug in a modem

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anykey_:

don't have such a thingy

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hardnova:

arr ok

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hardnova:

check your dmesg to see that it is turned on in bios

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hardnova:

I guess if you have never used the serial port for anything its possibile its not on

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anykey_:

well, I load the 8250 driver, I see 0000:00:0c.0: ttyS0 at I/O 0xc400 (irq = 16) is a 16550A...

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hardnova:

that sounds like its good then

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hardnova:

irq = 16 ??

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anykey_:

not good?

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hardnova:

gees I tought serial was on irq 4 or irq 3

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anykey_:

I just looked in the bios, it's turned on...

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hardnova:

mine says -> serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A

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anykey_:

hm

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anykey_:

maybe this is the problem?

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hardnova:

you may have to modify lirc to the Irq and address

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hardnova:

yes it may well be its an option in the lirc compile

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anykey_:

I could also look in the bios and see if I can change the IRQ..

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hardnova:

better if you can set it in bios to irq 4 0x3f8

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hardnova:

exactly

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anykey_:

going to have a look, give me a sec

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defaultro:

hey folks, sorry, ot question. I would like to start ffmpeg at a certain frame? How do I do that? And also does I need to specify the end frame because I don't know it?

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anykey_:

hardnova: serial port were active, but I did not set an adress

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hardnova:

so is it working now ?

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anykey_:

the machine is booting..

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anykey_:

hardnova: now it says IRQ4

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hardnova:

yay what about the address ?

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anykey_:

address?

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anykey_:

ah

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anykey_:

0x3f8

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hardnova:

ok sounds good

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hardnova:

is it blasting?

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anykey_:

give me a sec

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anykey_:

don't think so :(

[16:06:33]

anykey_:

ah

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anykey_:

hm, now it finds an active high receiver

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hardnova:

thats good

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anykey_:

oh ok, but very confusing

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hardnova:

getting any flashing now ?

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anykey_:

no

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anykey_:

I have to put this away for today, friends are coming, thanks for your help anyway, maybe I have more luck another day..

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hardnova:

ok seeya

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Ruleke:

hmm how can I get the NIT information with dvbsnoop ?

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gbee:

or something like that

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Ruleke:

gbee: is it always pid 0x10 ? I suppose I need a valid PID ?

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gbee:

NIT is always 0x10

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Ruleke:

oic

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Ruleke:

bah I can't figure it out :-/

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Ruleke:

-v siparser seems easier to figure out :)

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Ruleke:

looks like I fixed everything :)

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** Ruleke backs up the database **

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juski:

well that's one less thing I need to do today. fixed my car key zapper thingy :)

[17:18:21]

hjohnson:

heh

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hjohnson:

I'm getting fairly low mileage out of my car.. though I suspect it's because i'm burning bio-diesel right now.

[17:19:13]

juski:

prolly got a chip (fry) stuck in a pipe somewhere :-P

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hjohnson:

haha

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hjohnson:

only got 33mpg on my last tank

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juski:

I get about 34–35 from my petrol guzzler

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hjohnson:

though I'm doing almost pure city driving

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juski:

my next car is def. gonna be a diesel

[17:20:18]

hjohnson:

it goes up significantly if i'm on the highway.

[17:20:26]

Ruleke:

no idea what that is in L/100km.. but I do 7.1 on that scale :P

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hjohnson:

juski: http://gallery.marspostcards.ca/NewCar/

[17:20:31]

** gardengnome gets about 23mpg... **

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gardengnome:

Ruleke: http://www.pege.org/fuel/convert.htm

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hjohnson:

best tank i've gotten was 5.9L/100km

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gardengnome:

yay, VW.

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hjohnson:

and that's in a 1500kg car

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gardengnome:

german engineering for se win. ;)

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Ruleke:

driving a VW Passat myself

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hjohnson:

gardengnome: never mind that the engine was built in Poland and the rest in Pueblo Mexico

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gardengnome:

hjohnson: heh

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hjohnson:

but yeah, i'm loving my Jetta.

[17:21:55]

hjohnson:

I've just rolled over 12000 km on it.

[17:22:03]

Ruleke:

just drove my first 1000 :)

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juski:

oh my god! I'm never gonna look in on the forums again. not after seeing the FUGLY theme buu is working on

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hjohnson:

Ruleke: cool. :) I'm working on partially converting my Jetta to a Passat..

[17:22:34]

Ruleke:

lol

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hjohnson:

Ruleke: LED tail lights, maybe HIDs..

[17:22:50]

Ruleke:

I would've gotten a jetta if it was on the company car list...

[17:22:51]

juski:

hmm hang on. there's a problem with making promises I can't keep

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hjohnson:

Ruleke: damn..

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hjohnson:

Ruleke: I'm loving mine.. :)

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Ruleke:

Passat is fine too

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juski:

and is it just me or do those LED tail lights look seriously freaky when you're driving fast?

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hjohnson:

but I'm also looking at doing other mods.. installing a dual-band radio, big inverter, and other toys.

[17:23:55]

Ruleke:

no idea, I've never looked at mine when driving fast ;)

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hjohnson:

juski: depends on the PWM frequency.

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Ruleke:

dual-band ?

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Ruleke:

Isn't that like... standard ? 3 band even :P

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juski:

radio ham eh?

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hjohnson:

yeah

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hjohnson:

VA7HAS

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juski:

I think I'm a closet ham

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hjohnson:

I have the perfect location to install the brain box for a Kenwood D700A

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Ruleke:

hehe the EIT scanner is the lithmus test for my transport configuration :)

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hjohnson:

EIT?

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Ruleke:

sorry talking mythtv... naughty me

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juski:

I just haven't got the balls to admit I'm *that* berdy

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juski:

s/berdy/nerdy

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hjohnson:

juski: oh, i'm not nerdy.. just geeky.

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Ruleke:

I was wondering :)

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Ruleke:

beardy ? ;)

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hjohnson:

but I spend my time buildin gand designing satellite uplinks

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juski:

isn't nerd the same thing as geek ?

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hjohnson:

no.

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hjohnson:

geeks can actually have social lives and girlfriends.

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hjohnson:

nerds.. well, are just one step above dorks.

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gardengnome:

i've got a girlfriend but i'm closer to a nerd.

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gardengnome:

the GF actually calls me dork sometimes. :/

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hjohnson:

lol

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hjohnson:

and I'm single, so that says something.

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hjohnson:

but I blame that on being on the road for 7 months of the year.

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Ruleke:

my gf doesn't know what the hell I'm talking about most of the time

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juski:

no social life. I hate too much stuff

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Ruleke:

I don't let it worry me, she'll catch on sometime :P

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juski:

can't go out often & enjoy it because a) the booze sucks b) the music sucks and c) everything else sucks

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Ruleke:

scary

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gardengnome:

mind you, people suck ;)

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** hjohnson trains juski to like beer. **

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Ruleke:

just move over here, the beer is good :)

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hjohnson:

.. our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thine head.. thy will be drunk, I will be drunk...

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juski:

draft booze in the UK stinks of piss and most likely IS

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hjohnson:

juski: you poor poor sod..

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juski:

well, at least in the places that play reasonable musak

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** hjohnson was the comissioner for the beer economy in his engineering dept. :P **

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Ruleke:

your honor :P

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hjohnson:

or maybe the one that was just owed the most pints.

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gardengnome:

in the places that play reasonable music here, you're wading through smoke and beer puddles..

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juski:

manchester sucks for nightlife mostly

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Ruleke:

ugh yes I went out there once

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hjohnson:

heh

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hjohnson:

hmm.. do you still have to pay the tv tax if you use mythtv in the US?

[17:31:43]

hjohnson:

er UK?

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juski:

the only place I can have a reasonably good time is the gay village but as you no doubt realise that has its disadvantages

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Ruleke:

it was nice but just because I was a foreigner and we were there with 5 different nationalities :)

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juski:

hjohnson: of course you do, silly. it's a tv tax

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hjohnson:

heh, half the time when I go out i'm the only white guy...

[17:32:28]

hjohnson:

juski: right, but you don't have a television. :P

[17:32:39]

hjohnson:

you just have a computer that happens to be able to record tv. :D

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juski:

they're even talking about making it a 'pc tax' to catch folks who only download

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hjohnson:

ahh

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hjohnson:

not suprised.

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quicksilver:

hjohnson: the tax is on tuners, not televisions

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Ruleke:

they abolished that tax over here some years ago

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hjohnson:

we've got that on blank media in Canad. so I just bring in all my blank media from the US>

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juski:

I think it's value for money though, since the BBC churns out such excellent stuff. like Top Gear :)

[17:33:23]

Ruleke:

of course, the national tv is still funded by taxes, just different ones :P

[17:33:38]

Smirnov:

bbc is awesome

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hjohnson:

i'm personally like the CBC though, so I don't mind it being taxpayer funded.

[17:33:55]

hjohnson:

juski: yeah, top gear is fun. :D

[17:33:55]

juski:

I'd pay the licence fee just for the radio tbh

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juski:

hjohnson: see last Sunday's ?

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Ruleke:

there used to be a car radio tax around here, they also stopped that

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tank-man:

you guys got channel icons in mythtv in canada? i only got the us channel icons

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juski:

they attached a Robin Reliant to a massive rocket

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hjohnson:

two favourite episodes 1) where they went to Alabama and got attacked by the good ol boys, and also where he drove from London->Edinburough->London on one tank of fuel in a diesel A8

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Ruleke:

juski: hehe I still have that episode in my recordings :)

[17:35:00]

juski:

the winter sports one was excellent

[17:35:17]

juski:

rocket-powered mini going down a ski slope

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hjohnson:

hah

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hjohnson:

I need better tires on my car.

[17:35:28]

juski:

err ski jump I mean

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hjohnson:

they suck in the snow.

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juski:

in manchester you can't go fast enough to worry about traction when there's snow about

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hjohnson:

juski: oh, it's not aboud speed.. it's about making it up the hill out of my parking lot.

[17:37:09]

hjohnson:

last time around I managed to get the left wheels on the one 12" wide patch of bare pavement, and relied on the traction control to get me up the hill.

[17:37:44]

onewheelskyward:

When it snows around here, I ditch the car and ride around town on my mountain bike.

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juski:

oh looky: http://youtube.com/watch?v=GSg5W_RyYpw&mo . . . &search=

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onewheelskyward:

It snows so infrequently that it's frightening to be on the road around these folks.

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hjohnson:

onewheelskyward: hah, here it's even scarier on a bicycle.. the snow here i like axle grease

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juski:

gah! why is youtube so sucky lately?

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onewheelskyward:

Yeah we get pretty dry snow here.

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Ruleke:

hehe

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onewheelskyward:

wow, that's an amazing video. hehe

[17:46:07]

Ruleke:

hehe it was so good to see it launch, not expected it to do so well tbh

[17:46:43]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah, exactly!

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onewheelskyward:

And then there's that other bit.

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juski:

the fake explosion at the end you mean

[17:49:35]

onewheelskyward:

What makes you think it was fake? There might have been enough propellant in there to cause a blast.

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juski:

the fact it looks like 2 different shots cut together

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juski:

Clarkson's DVDs all have faked stunts on em too – doesn't make them any less entertaining though

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onewheelskyward:

Aah, TV. At least I'm entertained. :)

[17:54:29]

juski:

lordy. why has every emo & his dog posted vids of beryl's cuboid desktop on youtube? can't get moved for them

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gbee:

the explosion was definately faked, watch it frame by frame and you can see the landscape changes completely

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gbee:

not sure why it was necessary, because the launch itself was impressive enough

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Ruleke:

yeah makes you wonder about the launch

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Ruleke:

bbl

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gbee:

well the associated press etc suggests the launch was real

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tank-man:

what launch?

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onewheelskyward:

Top Gear's reusable spacecraft launch. Is the youtube link in your backscroll?

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opello:

onewheelskyward: http://youtube.com/watch?v=GSg5W_RyYpw

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nosun2:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Bu-G0H1FFG8 <<< my fav ep of my fav tv show

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Dibblah:

640Mb video cards? Sheesh.

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onewheelskyward:

gigabyte cards can't be far behind.

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hjohnson:

Dibblah: hey, no one needs more than 640.

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hjohnson:

grumble.. what's with debian not doing modern kernel packages.

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seabag:

hey

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seabag:

how do you mean debian not doing modern kernel packages?

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gardengnome:

hjohnson: "modern" kernel packages?

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hjohnson:

the most recent in sid is .18

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hjohnson:

(yes, I'm being rather facetious in my choice of "modern")

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gardengnome:

ah

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gardengnome:

maybe there's something newer.

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gardengnome:

but nothing prevents you from rolling your own

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gardengnome:

make-kpkg FTW

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hjohnson:

gardengnome: i'm rolling my own.. it's just been a few years since I've built a kernel myself. :P

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gardengnome:

hjohnson: make oldconfig helps a lot ;)

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hjohnson:

gardengnome: yeah, but does it pull the current configuraiton?

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gardengnome:

hjohnson: cp /boot/config-foobar-something /my/kernel/tree/.config

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hjohnson:

ahh right ..

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hjohnson:

or /proc/config.gz

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gardengnome:

heh. was looking for that on my ubuntu box but i couldn't find it

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gardengnome:

i'm currently trying to compile 2.6.12 with gcc 4.1.x. of course, it doesn't work :/

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hjohnson:

hm.. I thought one of the torches for the canada northern games was going to be made of a Narwhal tusk

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gbee:

the Narwhal probably objected

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stuarta:

evening all

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lightspeedbiker:

greeting

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r3z:

+s :)

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lightspeedbiker:

Questioin; How does one change his "MYSQL" password?

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onewheelskyward:

your root pw or your mythtv user's password?

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onewheelskyward:

You should be able to change it via mysqladmin: mysqladmin -u mythtv -p oldpass newpass

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lightspeedbiker:

onewheel... I need to change my mythtv password

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Smirnov:

passwd mythtv

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gardengnome:

imperfect-: there's something missing in that command afaik

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onewheelskyward:

Smirnov: That won't affect mysql.

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Smirnov:

obviously

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lightspeedbiker:

Is mysqladmin -u mythtv -p oldpass newpass correct?

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onewheelskyward:

That's what I read. I've never tried it mysqlf.

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lightspeedbiker:

onewheel.. thanks

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onewheelskyward:

noproblem.

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hjohnson:

heh, I just found a copy of my military orders

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hjohnson:

I could have gone back go Baghdad right up until dec 31st, if I had wanted too.

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lightspeedbiker:

I'm attempting to fix a error "Unable to connect to database" The system has worked for weeks

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lightspeedbiker:

onewheel... Would this command fix it " mysql -u -p mythconverg

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hjohnson:

lightspeedbiker: did your database get borked in an update?

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onewheelskyward:

You can try logging into the database on the command line, but use mysql -u mythtv -p

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hjohnson:

lightspeedbiker: rule of thumb: if you dn't backup your database prior to a database update, it will die... if you do, you won't need the backup.

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lightspeedbiker:

onewheel... YES,,, I did a zap update recently, that may be the cause

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lightspeedbiker:

onewheel... zap it the online program guide

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Garre1:

What should I use to make my mobile windows 5.0 phone into a remote?

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sperciba:

anyone around with ATSC experience?

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sperciba:

I'm so close...Seem to be able to play the recorded mpegs with mplayer

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sperciba:

but watching live tv gives me a blue screen and choppy audio

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hjohnson:

grumble.

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lightspeedbiker:

onewheel... I was going to attemp "mysql -u mythtv -p ****** mythconverg" to fix UNABLE to connect to database. I this correct??

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Garre1:

What should I use to make my mobile windows 5.0 phone into a remote?

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onewheelskyward:

You don't need to specify the password on the command line, but yes.

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opello:

there's no space after the 'p' and the beginning of the password

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opello:

so that could be a problem

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lightspeedbiker:

hjohnson... How does one restore a database. I believe I have a backup file somewhere

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sperciba:

looks like I"m getting an error

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sperciba:

VideoOutputXv Error: CreateXvShmImages(): XvShmCreateImage() failed to create image of the requested size.

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sperciba:

can someone help change the size of the playback images?

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mau:

anybody know why i'm getting "unable to set initgroups() with gid 16 (Operation not permitted)" when i try to run /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart?

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xris:

mau: what distro?

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mau:

6.10

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mau:

as far as I can tell from forums... it may be a sql issue?

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mkorman:

does anyone know if there is a good tv tuner card that has hardware encoding but does not require nonfree firmware?

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xris:

mkorman: you mean non-gpl?

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xris:

er, gpl?

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xris:

the plextor card might.. I don't know if it requires firmware or not, though

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mkorman:

xris: it doesn't have to be gpl specifically, but it has to be free software

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xris:

um, the firmware files are free.

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slide:

Is there anyway to tell mythtv to transcode my recorded shows so I can get some more room?

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xris:

but maybe you mean to say free/libre

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slide:

from the web interface

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xris:

slide: in .21

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xris:

I haven't actually added it yet, but it shoudl be there before .21 is released

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slide:

oh hrm

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mkorman:

xris: yes, that's what i mean

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slide:

lemmy see what im even running

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slide:

can i see it from the web interface?

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xris:

mkorman: you in the US?

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xris:

slide: not that I know of

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mkorman:

xris: yes

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** stuarta swears loudly at the jump points... **

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slide:

ok im sshd in anyway, lemmy see how to find it out

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xris:

slide: depending on your distro, you can use rpm/dkpg/etc to get the version number from the package.

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xris:

it won't help, though.. latest version is .20.

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slide:

im using knoppmyth

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xris:

maybe: dpkg -i mythtv (it's been too long since I used dpkg)

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gardengnome:

dpkg -l mythtv

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xris:

gardengnome: thanks. :)

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slide:

ii mythtv 0.19.0–10_km_i586 A personal video recorder application (client and server)

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slide:

i want to upgrade, but i dont want to break everything

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xris:

slide: so you're one version behind the current, too

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slide:

heh

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stuarta:

where current != bleeding edge

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mkorman:

xris: the plextor firmware does not permit modification, but thanks

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xris:

mkorman: what's your tv source/connection?

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mkorman:

xris: just normal analog cable

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xris:

mkorman: your only free/libre option would be to upgrade to digital/HD cable and hope that your provider gives you all of the SD channels in the clear over firewire.

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xris:

either that or upgrade to ATSC and call it good only getting broadcast channels.

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mkorman:

xris: is that typical?

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onewheelskyward:

mau: Sounds like your zap2it subscription info might not be entered correctly.

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mau:

xris, yes ubuntu

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xris:

mkorman: it depends on the region and the provider. comcast seattle, and at least some areas of california give you access to everything.

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mau:

how would I go about fixing the zap2it info?

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xris:

but many follow the letter of the law exactly and only give you access to the broadcast channels.

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xris:

mau: start over from the beginning.. you *just* installed mythtv?

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mkorman:

xris: ok, i'll look into it. thanks

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mau:

xris, do a fresh myth install?

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xris:

mkorman: you might post to the -users list and ask if anyone in your area is running with firewire.

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xris:

mau: no, I'm asking if you just did.

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mau:

yes

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mau:

just did

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mkorman:

xris: ok

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xris:

mau: ok. look in /etc/mythtv/

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mau:

ok...i'm in mysql.txt

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mau:

I see the dh host names and password

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xris:

mkorman: you're going to have a horrible time with tv output if you're going strictly for open source drivers, too.

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mau:

db rather

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xris:

so when you were getting an auth error.. was that a mysql error or a zap2it error?

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fourcheeze:

what's the best filesystem for mythtv backend storage?

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mau:

xris, looks like zap2it

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achew22:

fourcheeze, jfs or xfs

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fourcheeze:

using xfs at the moment, getting problems when reading / writing simultaneously

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fourcheeze:

is there any way I can improve performance

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fourcheeze:

if I'm watching I get glitches if it records at the same time

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xris:

mau: so you went through and did mythtv-setup, etc?

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fourcheeze:

often if it's doing both then mythbackend bombs out (nothing in the logs)

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fourcheeze:

is it worth trying jfs?

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achew22:

I use ext3 because when I did it origionaly I wasn't following a tutorial and I'm happy that but it takes a REALLY long time to delete files. You may want to look into jfs

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mau:

yes, but I was never asked for zap2it info, do i need to register for zap2it?

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Garre1:

What should I use to make my mobile windows 5.0 phone into a remote?

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fourcheeze:

achew22: what sort of drives and what kind of load do you give it?

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xris:

mau: yeah, you need to register for zap2it.. and then you take that info and set things up in the sources section...

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xris:

that is, assuming you're in the US/Canada

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achew22:

I use a maxtor and a western digital and a seagate and have them spread out via lvm

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achew22:

fourcheeze, it doesn't really matter what kind of drive you use.

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erazor:

anyone ever built a IR receiver into a case?

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fourcheeze:

achew22: surely things like the max read speed are going to make a difference?

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doc|home:

I used 'fetch channels from listing source' to get the channels but after doing it, it wouldn't record the correct channel. Anyone know how to fix it?

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fourcheeze:

is it normal for mythbackend to die when it gets into difficulty like this?

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fourcheeze:

also would I gain anything running it as root?

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fourcheeze:

achew22: does lvm stripe on physical volumes?

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achew22:

fourcheeze, lvm is basicly raid 0 without hardware support but a little cooler

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fourcheeze:

ok, I didn't realise it was like raid 0

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fourcheeze:

I'll have to give it a go

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mau:

xris, thank you. that worked

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cliche:

I use lvm. very good for mythtv

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xris:

cool

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achew22:

its very neat, read about it and you wont want to use it

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fourcheeze:

oh I've used lvm in my work life for servers

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achew22:

it may be a little cliche to use lvm but it works too well to not use it ( ;) cliche)

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fourcheeze:

didn't think about it for myth for some reason

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achew22:

fourcheeze, I like lvm so much that it controlls all my media so that if I fill the drive I can just expand it

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cliche:

just spotted the terrible joke above

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achew22:

Yay!

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cliche:

the part I like is the ability to resize things on the fly

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xris:

chairman: master iconmap doesn't cover?

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xris:

chairman: if you wait a couple of days, I'll have a nice tool in svn (that'll mostly work with non-svn) for grabbing channels

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cliche:

eg I changed from DVB-T to DVB-S and found all my recordings much larger, so was able to give the recordings partition an extra 80Gb in about 2 commands

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fourcheeze:

ok, aside from going over to lvm (which I may do) does anyone have any ideas for improving disc access

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chairman:

xris: no, there is no norwegian channels there

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xris:

chairman: you may just have to wait. the new system tracks xmltvid, callsign and dvb signal info.

[21:25:16]

chairman:

i'm using DVB-s

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mau:

achew22, do i need to run as su root?

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fourcheeze:

mau: it makes no difference

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xris:

mau: sudo should be fine

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chairman:

xris: I have downloaded alot of icons and I got it working somehow with my previous install, but I don't really remember what I changed in the database

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xris:

chairman: db field is channel.icon

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xris:

it just points to the local filename for the icon

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chairman:

xris: with a path?

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xris:

chairman: yup

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xris:

e.g. /home/tv/.mythtv/channels/tnt.jpg

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chairman:

okay

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chairman:

I see

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xris:

though I'd love a beta tester for my new channel icon lookup... :)

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achew22:

HA! xris your such a programmer...

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xris:

achew22: of course :)

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fourcheeze:

is there any way to server video other than nuv? e.g. serve mpeg or avi to other boxen?

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vegeat:

Anyone here have Charter digital cable?

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kormoc:

fourcheeze, buy a capture card that dumps mpeg-2 and then myth records mpg files

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xris:

fourcheeze: there are also people working on inline transcoding, etc.

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fourcheeze:

I already record direct off dvb, what I want to do is transcode it to avi and then serve that with myth

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fourcheeze:

atm it seems I have to transcode it then move it to the frontend

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kormoc:

fourcheeze, shouldn't ask for mpeg if you already have it in mpeg...

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fourcheeze:

ok, I'm not really up on formats

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fourcheeze:

but you get the idea

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xris:

fourcheeze: it'll happen eventually

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xris:

I want flv streaming for mythweb

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fourcheeze:

what is flv?

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xris:

flashvideo

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xris:

like youtube

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xris:

rudimentary support is already in mythweb svn, but it's really ugly

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fourcheeze:

ahh

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vegeat:

anyone recommend any good IR usb devices?

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xris:

Captain_Murdoch has been working on a way to get support into the backend for storing alternate copies of recording files, along with "instant execute" type user jobs for handling transcodes.

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kormoc:

vegeat, the Microsoft MCE remote/ir blaster combo is really nice

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vegeat:

will that work in linux?

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kormoc:

vegeat, yes

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fourcheeze:

xris: what kinds of formats will the frontend play ?

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vegeat:

where do i get that from

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vegeat:

lol

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kormoc:

vegeat, go down the street about a mile, and turn left, go another half a mile, and then on your right, you can get it there

[21:40:32]

vegeat:

sweet

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xris:

fourcheeze: just about everything.. it uses ffmpeg's libavcodec

[21:42:07]

fourcheeze:

xris: what's the most compressed format that plays back in reasonable time?

[21:42:19]

fourcheeze:

front end is a core2duo mac mini

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fourcheeze:

(those things were just made for mythtv I think)

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xris:

fourcheeze: you mean reasonable look? I think h.264 is generally considered the best quality/bitrate these days.

[21:43:15]

fourcheeze:

xris: ok, is there somewhere I can look to compare codecs?

[21:43:26]

fourcheeze:

I want to get my storage needs down a bit :-)

[21:43:29]

xris:

ffmpeg.mplayerhq.com?

[21:43:34]

fourcheeze:

my kids keep wanting stuff recorded

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fourcheeze:

:-)

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xris:

or you could just poke around in nuvexport.

[21:44:05]

fourcheeze:

so if I nuvexport to h.264 and replace the existing file with the one I made – will mythfrontend play it ok?

[21:44:55]

fourcheeze:

i.e. will it be served ok with mythbackend and play with the frontend?

[21:45:54]

vegeat:

has anyone used MyBlaster

[21:46:37]

fourcheeze:

anyone else got a mac mini for a front end? What are you using for playing music?

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xris:

fourcheeze: I've had mixed luck playing mp4 in mythtv... you can always test them with "mythtv file.mp4"

[21:47:19]

xris:

xvid avi files should be fine.

[21:47:30]

xris:

or you could just pop them into mythvideo and play from there.

[21:47:54]

fourcheeze:

xris: that means moving them between boxen

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fourcheeze:

probably I would use the Mac's video thing for that anyway, if I had to go as far as copying across the network

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fourcheeze:

ok

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xris:

[shodan]: because mencoder doesn't understand myth's nuv files?

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fourcheeze:

that's good to know

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** fourcheeze loves his mac mini **

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Dr_willis:

Get a room ya kids!

[21:50:03]

Dr_willis:

:)

[21:50:06]

Dr_willis:

and stay off my lawn!

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[shodan]:

xris, well, the resulting avi files are correct, but the audio goes out of sync after a while, but the audio and video is fine so mencoder can read nuv ?

[21:50:24]

fourcheeze:

I wonder if anyone has one doing 1080p

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fourcheeze:

it'll be a while before I can afford to worry about that

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xris:

[shodan]: mencoder can read nuv.. it *can't* read the mythtv modifications to nuv, some of which specifically relate to frame sync tracking

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xris:

nuvexport interacts with mythtv to let *it* decode the video into raw frames, and then passes that off to ffmpeg/mencoder/etc.

[21:52:35]

xris:

why not just use nuvexport?

[21:53:17]

[shodan]:

xris, because I didn't know I could/ that it was a good idea

[21:53:35]

xris:

[shodan]: that's why I wrote it. :)

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[shodan]:

can I run nuvexport as a User Job #X automatically ? or does it have to be an interactive thing ?

[21:56:18]

xris:

lots of cli options.

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xris:

I don't do the userjob thing, but I know of people who do.

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[shodan]:

k, I'll search the wiki for that

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** mishehu bahs. **

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mishehu:

what a week.

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mishehu:

thank goodness for 0.20 releases fix

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xris:

[shodan]: look in the nuvexportrc file for most of the cli options

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[shodan]:

k

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vegeat:

is there any capture that captures the comonent video?

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hads:

Probably not unless you want to spend a fortune.

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hads:

Google will most likely have some answers though.

[22:12:13]

vegeat:

man

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vegeat:

i hate charter cable

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[shodan]:

can I tell nuvexport to overwrite the original file when it's done ? like mythtranscode does (or at least make a file named $name_of_original_file.avi)

[22:30:50]

[shodan]:

all my files are named like this

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[shodan]:

/usr/share/mythtv/contrib/mythrename.pl --format "%Y-%m-%d, %Hh%i – %T,%S (%c)"

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[shodan]:

2007-02–24, 00h37 – The Late Late Show With Craig Ferguson, (1282).nuv

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[shodan]:

so I'm not sure I can duplicate the original name with filename= in nuvexportrc

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fryfrog:

does anyone know of a way to reset or set nodes on firewire?

[22:34:40]

fryfrog:

some way to *fix* a certain device to a certain node?

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Dr_willis:

node?

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fryfrog:

yeah, each device is on an adapter, port and node

[22:35:25]

fryfrog:

my stupid cable boxes will flip between 0 and 3

[22:35:30]

fryfrog:

i have 2 of em

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fryfrog:

so, like sometimes they are 0 and 1

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fryfrog:

sometimes 0 and 3

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Dr_willis:

you refering to some /dev/whatever entry?

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fryfrog:

and recently, i had a 2 and 3

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fryfrog:

no

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fryfrog:

they aren't /dev entries, so udev doens't control it :/

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Dr_willis:

bummer

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** Dr_willis wonders how somthing can not have a /dev/ entry :) heh heh **

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fryfrog:

http://pastebin.ca/370840

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fryfrog:

thats what the kernel sees :/

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tank-man:

so isnt it /dev/raw1394

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tank-man:

?

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fryfrog:

er, sure i guess but...

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fryfrog:

there is only that one device afaik

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tank-man:

i dont have a cable box, so what do you mean by switches between 2 or 3

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tank-man:

err 0 and 1 or 2 and 3

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fryfrog:

sorry, 0–2 i should say

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fryfrog:

firewire i guess has "nodes" (my cable box is hooked to another cable box then to the pc)

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fryfrog:

so i guess a "node" is on a chain sort of?

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fryfrog:

so, randomly... a cable box will change from 0->2

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fryfrog:

or 1->2

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fryfrog:

it seems to be random :/

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xris:

fryfrog: it's fixed in svn

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xris:

attaches to the ID of the box instead of the node.

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xris:

unfortunately, the changeset also blows away any existing firewire config.

[22:43:59]

cliche:

I have the same problem with my PCI/USB tuners over reboots – has that been altered at all?

[22:44:17]

vegeat:

any news on mythvideo handling tv shows?

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xris:

cliche: dunno. but with usb, you can use udev to give them their own custom device names.

[22:44:38]

xris:

vegeat: huh?

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fryfrog:

xris: i just moved away from svn to -fixes

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fryfrog:

also, i still think i'd need to run my external script to change channels

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fryfrog:

i use the "firewire_tester" to un clog my firewire :(

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xris:

cliche: you'll have to find the udev docs.. I haven't messed with it in ages.

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xris:

fryfrog: I still need that, too

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vegeat:

like season 1 of a tv show

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vegeat:

like if you were to load in a bunch of avis

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fryfrog:

xris: do you know if the *broadcast* channel needs to be unique if you are using two?

[22:46:18]

xris:

vegeat:mythvideo doesn't care what files are called... just switch to gallery mode and put them in a directory together.

[22:46:29]

xris:

fryfrog: no clue.

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cliche:

thanks, I'll try

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xris:

I just plugged in my two boxes and it works.

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vegeat:

i knew tat

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fryfrog:

ah

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vegeat:

i was hoping there would be a subsection to mythvideo

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vegeat:

so that movies would be different from tv shows

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fryfrog:

do you use firewire_tester as a channel change script? or do you just need it occasionally?

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fryfrog:

and do you use p2p or bcast?

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xris:

vegeat: nope. just use the gallery view and organize accordingl.

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xris:

accordingly

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GreyFoxx:

vegeat: I just create directories, Movies are in "Movies", TV Shows are under "TV/Title/Season#"

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t0ny3:

what ports do I need to connect a frontend to a backend?

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GreyFoxx:

6543 at a minimum, plus 3306 if the backend as the sql database

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GreyFoxx:

and if you nfs mount shares (for other vidoes, music or photos) you need others

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Dagmar:

ports are not something you get at the store

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[shodan]:

is there a way I can set the width to auto with nuvexport ? I tried the variable "auto" but nuvexport crashed with Illegal division by zero at /usr/share/nuvexport/export/ffmpeg.pm line 278, <STDIN> line 14. so it didn't recognize auto as a keyword

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Dagmar:

You can look in /etc/nuvexportrc

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[shodan]:

Dagmar, I did, put it seems you can only set a fixed number there

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[shodan]:

there's no way to tell it, use the width of the source

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[shodan]:

the problem is I have recording at 704x528 640x480 and 544x480

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t0ny3:

haha over ssh I'm only getting 1 frame every 5 seconds

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[shodan]:

I could just set 640 and loose quality with 704x528 recordings and waste space with 544x480 recordings

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Ediehow:

i just don't understand why running mytharchive in mythfrontend slows down the entire system

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GreyFoxx:

You don't understand how running and application can slowdown the machine the application si running on ?

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hads:

Seems to make sense.

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vegeat:

GreyFox, i dont want the tv shows to show up in the gallery

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vegeat:

thats why

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GreyFoxx:

Ahhh

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[CSI]OCtane is now known as Octane

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vegeat:

like, all themovies i put on myth

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vegeat:

have nice covers thanks to the imdbscript

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vegeat:

but the tv shows dont

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vegeat:

so it looks awkward

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GreyFoxx:

I patched my mythvideo to not scan in any directory with .ignore file in the directory and then put a .ignore in the top of my TV directories :)

[23:04:21]

GreyFoxx:

that way only the movies show up in my gallery

[23:04:30]

GreyFoxx:

but I can use the video list with file browsing to play the tv stuff

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vegeat:

patch me too

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vegeat:

:(

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Ediehow:

GreyFoxx: i have no idea what you just said, but i do know it has nothing to do with what i said

[23:05:11]

Ediehow:

running mytharchive, just navigating it in mythfrontend, sometimes makes the system so slow it is unusable. that is not "normal"

[23:05:28]

Ediehow:

this is before the transcoding even takes place, it is just the navigation in mythfrontend

[23:06:02]

GreyFoxx:

vegeat: I can giv e you the patch, though you have to be compiling from source and I use svn, no idea if it will apply to 0.20 or 0.20-fixes

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vegeat:

doh

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vegeat:

lots of work

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vegeat:

:(

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vegeat:

damn windowmaker autostart isnt working the way i want it to

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Ediehow:

anyone using mytharchive?

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hjohnson:

lightspeedbiker: if someone hasn't helped you yet, there's an oposite to mysqldump

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Ediehow:

and have any issues with serious slowdown when doing so?

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Dagmar:

ziv

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vegeat:

im trying to record a show already in progress

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vegeat:

but it says

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vegeat:

single record +1 aborted

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vegeat:

what does that mean?

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tank-man:

you aborted it

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tank-man:

?

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vegeat:

nope

[23:23:10]

vegeat:

i didnt

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vegeat:

i was already watching it, then i decided to go to the guide and record it

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daMaestro:

mwhahaha

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tank-man:

if you were already watching it, press r on the keyboard to record it, then you can quit watching it

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daMaestro:

mythtv is great.

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vegeat:

ohh

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vegeat:

i cant do it using the pvr150 remote?

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daMaestro:

can you stream live tv from a backend to a frontend over ethernet?

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tank-man:

if you quit, goto some guide and record, it wont be recording the part you already watched

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[shodan]:

daMaestro, yes

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vegeat:

i know that part

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daMaestro:

also, with mythweb i have one program recorded and when i click on recorded programs it just sits there

[23:25:23]

daMaestro:

all other features work.

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tank-man:

anything you can do from the keyboard, you can do with your remote

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daMaestro:

[shodan], thanks.

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tank-man:

daMaestro, maybe its making thumbnails of all the shows

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tank-man:

wait

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daMaestro:

[shodan], i think i am going to throw some virtual machines on my families desktops so they can tune in

[23:26:49]

daMaestro:

tank-man, could be... it finally came up

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daMaestro:

tank-man, it is doing recordings at the moment also

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daMaestro:

tank-man, it is taking about 2 minutes

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daMaestro:

however.

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fourcheeze:

achew22: right well I seem to have recreated my myth storage as 320GB of lvm

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fourcheeze:

and I striped it with the default – I hope that's ok

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achew22:

fourcheeze, good work!

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fourcheeze:

achew22: which stripe size did you use?

[23:35:44]

achew22:

I used the default

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achew22:

I don't care that much

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fourcheeze:

ok, we will see if it works then

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achew22:

wait... are you using lvm?

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fourcheeze:

yes

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achew22:

not using raid?

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fourcheeze:

no

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fourcheeze:

lvcreate -i2 creates a 2-striped logical volume

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achew22:

yeah just go with default

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achew22:

I didn't even pass the -i switch

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fourcheeze:

are you sure you have striping then?

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achew22:

I have them the equiv. of raid 0

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achew22:

if my recordings get messed up then I start again. I have the ones I really like on my laptop

[23:38:40]

achew22:

if oyu want to cut your storage space in half be my guest but I think it slows it down

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daMaestro:

[shodan], ok... so i'm going to build a virtual machine for myth... .. i can us the full mythfrontend via that..

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fourcheeze:

I don't think it cuts the space in half

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fourcheeze:

it just uses stripes across the available volumes

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daMaestro:

[shodan], am i also able to share the content via samba and just stream that way (for recorded stuff)?

[23:39:31]

achew22:

fourcheeze, leme go look on the man page about stripe

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fourcheeze:

i.e. like raid 0

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[shodan]:

daMaestro, well using a VM is pretty innefficient for that, your backend will be doing video recording/encoding

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achew22:

"Gives the number of stripes. This is equal to the number of physical volumes to scatter the logical volume."

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daMaestro:

[shodan], just for playing content

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daMaestro:

[shodan], seeing as how myth has not win32 version

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achew22:

daMaestro, look at MythTVPlayer its not nearly as good as mythfrontend but it does the job

[23:42:13]

daMaestro:

achew22, vmware?

[23:42:21]

achew22:

no... its a windows program

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achew22:

google it

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fourcheeze:

daMaestro: why don't you just use linux with qemu for your windows stuff?

[23:42:48]

achew22:

it can be found at http://www.sudu.dk/mythtvplayer/ if you don't want to look in google

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daMaestro:

fourcheeze, i do use linux

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daMaestro:

fourcheeze, i need something for my family to play content on win32

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fourcheeze:

that's what I mean

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fourcheeze:

install linux on your family computer and use qemu or wine if you have to

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daMaestro:

fourcheeze, wont happen

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fourcheeze:

my family don't even know windows exists :-)

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achew22:

fourcheeze, some people don't have that as an option. if they want to play games on this computer QEMU wont do it

[23:44:09]

DeKay:

Can somebody help me with sound. I can hear sound on line out but not spdif. I unmuted everything in alsamixer. I'm stuck

[23:44:09]

daMaestro:

fourcheeze, sorry. been there done that.

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gardengnome:

right, qemu is exceptionally fast and wine is exceptionally compatible

[23:44:26]

fourcheeze:

daMaestro: just out of interest what do they want to run on windows?

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tank-man:

gotta have windows for that spyware poker game

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fourcheeze:

latest games etc?

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daMaestro:

fourcheeze, they don't want to run linux.

[23:44:43]

daMaestro:

fourcheeze, doesn't matter what they want to run.

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tank-man:

problem is daMaestro doesnt want to admin those linux boxes, he wants to admin windows boxes

[23:45:01]

daMaestro:

fourcheeze, i already had this debate with them, it is a moot discussion

[23:45:03]

fourcheeze:

hey – well they don't get TV then :-)

[23:45:12]

daMaestro:

tank-man, ummm look at my cloak

[23:45:15]

topher:

anybody here used mythtv2ipod? i just set that up to podcast shows from my family's computer 300 miles away to my poor no-cable college apartment and it's awesome :)

[23:45:15]

DeKay:

I'm using ALSA:default for audio out and tried various passthoughs with no luck

[23:45:18]

achew22:

daMaestro, check out MythTVPlayer

[23:45:23]

daMaestro:

achew22, i am. thanks.

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achew22:

daMaestro, if you have any questions coem back and ask me just type achew22 out into the box and I'll come a runnin'

[23:46:05]

achew22:

unless I'm drinking pepsi... then I'll slosh towards the computer and answer your question

[23:46:09]

fourcheeze:

daMaestro: sounds like your family need to p4ear the sysadmin

[23:46:19]

fourcheeze:

ph34r

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daMaestro:

guys, i am a sysadmin, fedora dev, etc etc etc

[23:46:22]

fourcheeze:

or soemthing

[23:46:35]

fourcheeze:

sure, but your family need to shape up ;-)

[23:46:36]

daMaestro:

just because my family does not want to use linux, does not mean i don't know how to admin either

[23:46:38]

daMaestro:

lol

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fourcheeze:

hey I'm only joking

[23:46:48]

daMaestro:

fourcheeze, yes.. that discussion has came and gone.

[23:46:51]

fourcheeze:

have you tried a Mac?

[23:46:53]

topher:

anybody know where the opengl menu drawing option is? can i turn it off in mythtv-setup somewhere?

[23:46:54]

daMaestro:

fourcheeze, they wont

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tank-man:

his family fears the bofh ,not linux, lol

[23:47:02]

daMaestro:

fourcheeze, yeah.. but they shell is kinda weak

[23:47:03]

daMaestro:

lol

[23:47:09]

daMaestro:

but the*

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fourcheeze:

shell?

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fourcheeze:

your family wants a shell?

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daMaestro:

oh, i thought you were asking me

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daMaestro:

no.. they all have PCs... no OSX

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tank-man:

just give them a samba share with the videos

[23:47:49]

fourcheeze:

I mean have you suggested a mac

[23:47:51]

daMaestro:

tank-man, i was thinking on that

[23:48:04]

daMaestro:

fourcheeze, we already have the hardware, no reason to buy more just for an OS

[23:48:19]

fourcheeze:

mac mini makes the best ever front end :-)

[23:48:43]

fourcheeze:

that was one of my better decisions

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achew22:

fourcheeze, I could use your arguing points against mac right now... but for the sake of my sanity I'm not going to

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fourcheeze:

OSX has to be one of the nicest user experiences out there

[23:49:40]

daMaestro:

hmm i have a recording that was going when i rebooted.. so it is kinda just lingering in recorded programs

[23:49:43]

daMaestro:

any way to remove it?

[23:49:55]

daMaestro:

fourcheeze, not if you know how to run linux

[23:50:11]

daMaestro:

fourcheeze, i like my interface better then any osx interface

[23:50:18]

fourcheeze:

I'm talking about sitting back on the sofa

[23:50:22]

achew22:

fourcheeze, but if you use OSX in the traditional manner you don't have a command line... its removed from you

[23:50:25]

daMaestro:

fourcheeze, i can't stand the "this is how you do it" mantra

[23:50:27]

fourcheeze:

pressing the menu on the mac remote

[23:50:36]

daMaestro:

fourcheeze, aahhh yes

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daMaestro:

:-)

[23:50:58]

fourcheeze:

in any case OSX is a proper unix

[23:51:00]

fourcheeze:

if you want it to be

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daMaestro:

yeah, i know

[23:51:09]

fourcheeze:

however that ruins the "appliance" nature

[23:51:19]

fourcheeze:

I just have one for the lounge

[23:51:28]

fourcheeze:

for work we are back to debian

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fourcheeze:

:-)

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daMaestro:

yuck (j/k)

[23:52:03]

daMaestro:

i'm not a troll.. i swear

[23:52:04]

daMaestro:

:-)

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fourcheeze:

hehe

[23:52:26]

fourcheeze:

mostly I would be quite happy with a shell and emacs

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daMaestro:

hmm you are a debian+emacs and i am fedora/centos/rhel+vim

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** daMaestro declairs war on fourcheeze ;-P **

[23:53:24]

fourcheeze:

ahh well I'm just as happy with vi

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achew22:

daMaestro, what if you like pico, and gentoo like I do?

[23:53:38]

daMaestro:

hmmm i like my syntax highlighting.. ok.

[23:53:46]

achew22:

;)

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daMaestro:

achew22, then you are on the list too

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fourcheeze:

the only reason I said emacs is that AFAIK there's no mail/news program for vi

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fourcheeze:

pico users are the worst

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daMaestro:

achew22, and i'll wait around for you to compile pico while i hax0r your box

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daMaestro:

lol

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daMaestro:

fourcheeze, +1

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fourcheeze:

only worse than pico is nano

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daMaestro:

ok.. soooo.. anyways.. achew22 do you think mythtvplayer will run better then a virtual machine with (vmware player) a virtual machine running the full myth frontent?

[23:55:00]

daMaestro:

frontend*

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fourcheeze:

daMaestro: I've been known to use RHEL/CentOS in real life

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tank-man:

you will get no where with vmware with mythtv

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tank-man:

i dont think the video works

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tank-man:

or does slowly

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daMaestro:

fourcheeze, i'm more a fedora lubber, rhel/centos is just old fedora :-)

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achew22:

I really like mythtvplayer it works quite well the only problem is that you ahve to move the mouse because it doesn't yet have control of the screensver

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fourcheeze:

daMaestro: fedora/CentOS work for me once I install apt

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daMaestro:

yuk

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fourcheeze:

yum is just too slow

[23:56:34]

daMaestro:

yeah.. it is getting better :-)

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fourcheeze:

I remember the first time I used yum, it was terrible

[23:56:52]

fourcheeze:

now it's just half the speed of apt

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daMaestro:

yeah, it is

[23:57:04]

fourcheeze:

I don't understand why there is a need for yum when apt exists

[23:57:05]

daMaestro:

but they do things much different

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daMaestro:

moot discussion

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daMaestro:

they are two different things, period

[23:57:36]

fourcheeze:

they do an identical job

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daMaestro:

i can't import apt functions into things I am working on, etc

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vegeat:

GreyFoxx, you still there?

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fourcheeze:

at least I haven't found anything yum can do that apt can't

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achew22:

if you have a 600 computer dual core Xeon computers with 4G of ram compile cluster then emerge is fast too

[23:57:58]

fourcheeze:

daMaestro: example?

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daMaestro:

fourcheeze, http://damaestro.us/revisor

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daMaestro:

achew22, i bet faster then yum.. lol

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daMaestro:

achew22, ;-P

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achew22:

that would be AWESOME! does anyone know where I can get one of those

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fourcheeze:

daMaestro: ok, that's interesting

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achew22:

the slowest part of that system would be the oc-128 connection to the internet

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