Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, February 19th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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clever[rev]:

now its refusing to compile again...

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e7c|home:

hi I'm having trouble playinag avi files on my knoppmyth box

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e7c|home:

it shows the files under the library, but when I click play, it says "loading" then goes back to the rpeview screen

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e7c|home:

it can play a .mpg file that I have in there too

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e7c|home:

is there any log I could look through tos ee what's up?

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e7c|home:

thanks!

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snerfu:

I sort of got democracy player tied into my main menu, just to download podcasts to play inside the video menu in mythtv, it's a little ugly at the moment.

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J-e-f-f-A:

e7c|home: Chances are that the internal player can't play avi files, or that specific type of avi file. You can setup different players for different file types – so just associate .avi files with the player they work with.

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e7c|home:

hmm

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e7c|home:

yeah I'll have to check the file associations

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J-e-f-f-A:

e7c|home: (And that's within Myth)

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GreyFoxx:

the internal player can play avi files (avi is just a container). The real question is whether or not it can handle the codecs within that particular avi

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GreyFoxx:

look at the output of mythfrontend when it fails

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e7c|home:

where can I find the mythfrontend log?

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e7c|home:

checking under file associations, there is no program set for .avi, but .mpg is set to "internal"

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e7c|home:

I'll just try typing "internal" into the program for avi

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GreyFoxx:

You don't have to have a specific player associated with each file type

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e7c|home:

oh?

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GreyFoxx:

It will use the default of whatever you have set UNLESS there is a specific association

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e7c|home:

and where is the default set?.

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GreyFoxx:

Mythfrontend, under setup in the video settings section

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e7c|home:

ok I'll check that out!

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GreyFoxx:

as for the log that depends on A: how you are starting mythfrontend (by defalt it just outputs to stdout and not a file) and B: if it's being told to log to a file at all :)

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e7c|home:

ahh so it probably isn't logging at all

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GreyFoxx:

You can start it manually in an xterm or shell and watch the output from there

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clever[rev]:

cant get lirc to work

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GreyFoxx:

Most initscripts do set it to log to a file, but that's up to whoever makes the init script

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** clever[rev] slaps GreyFoxx **

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Beirdo:

must be a maritime method of welcome :)

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clever[rev]:

lol

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clever[rev]:

i cant get lirc to work

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GreyFoxx:

heh, irl I wouldn't tolerate it, but here it's different ;)

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clever[rev]:

i finaly got the ir blaster made and the pc refuses to use it

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Beirdo:

you use a codfish for that slap, or is that just for Newfies?

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GreyFoxx:

you know what those newbrunswickers are like :)

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clever[rev]:

lo

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clever[rev]:

irsend: command failed: SEND_ONCE DCT2000 POWER

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clever[rev]:

irsend: hardware does not support sending

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Beirdo:

heh, that sounds useless

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clever[rev]:

yeah

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Beirdo:

you sure you set it up right?

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clever[rev]:

i made the module a few days ago

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** GreyFoxx is playing with aWireless-G sip phone **

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clever[rev]:

and i have lirc_serial loaded right now

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GreyFoxx:

I need to get my hands on acellphone that does wifi sip

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Beirdo:

if it's serial, did you do the stty ttyS0 uart none (or whatever the line was)?

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clever[rev]:

i did setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none

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Beirdo:

you need to disable the UART handling in the kernel before inserting lirc_serial IIRC

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Beirdo:

K

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Beirdo:

setserial, yeah that's the one :)

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Beirdo:

been a couple months

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Beirdo:

you have to do that every time you reboot, BTW

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clever[rev]:

i know

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Beirdo:

OK, just in case :)

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Beirdo:

grrr, where did I put my sending script?

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Beirdo:

ummm, I hope I didn't leave it in /tmp ;)

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clever[rev]:

;p

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Beirdo:

be typical of me to do that

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Beirdo:

yeah, it's gone

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Beirdo:

heh, I suck

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Beirdo:

but anyways, for me, it worked just fine

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clever[rev]:

lol

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clever[rev]:

i couldnt even load lirc_serial at first

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clever[rev]:

it was built for 2.6.15–27

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clever[rev]:

durring the 5 days between building it and making the device

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clever[rev]:

i upgraded to -28

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Beirdo:

heh, so have I

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Beirdo:

but I haven't rebooted

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clever[rev]:

a reboot got me back to an older kernel

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clever[rev]:

once the device works i'll fix the new kernel

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clever[rev]:

yet the software refuses to even try to use it atm

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Beirdo:

well, I'd just say... rmmod lirc_serial, do the setserial, modprobe lirc_serial, restart lircd

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Beirdo:

then try the irsend again

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Beirdo:

worth a try :)

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clever[rev]:

rmmod lirc_serial;echo $?

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clever[rev]:

0

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clever[rev]:

root@theP4:~# Feb 18 19:11:34 theP4 kernel: [17183605.984000] Trying to free nonexistent resource <000003f8–000003ff>

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Beirdo:

it could well be a doing things in the wrong order error

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Beirdo:

ummm

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Beirdo:

OK, you need to reboot. You just somehow gacked the kernel

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clever[rev]:

setserial /dev/ttyS0

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clever[rev]:

/dev/ttyS0, UART: unknown, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4

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Beirdo:

MAYBE gacked it

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Beirdo:

I should say

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clever[rev]:

modprobe -v lirc_serial;echo $?

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clever[rev]:

insmod /lib/modules/2.6.15-27–386/misc/lirc_serial.ko

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clever[rev]:

0

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clever[rev]:

Feb 18 19:12:27 theP4 kernel: [17183659.256000] lirc_serial: auto-detected active high receiver

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clever[rev]:

Feb 18 19:12:27 theP4 kernel: [17183659.256000] lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0

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Beirdo:

hmmm, maybe you forgot to compile in the transmitter part?

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clever[rev]:

lol

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clever[rev]:

i beleive i used --with-driver=serial

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clever[rev]:

but its refusing to even compile again

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Beirdo:

sounds like you need some beer. or to shovel some snow

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Beirdo:

heh

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clever[rev]:

TONS of snow here

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clever[rev]:

and ive never had a beer before

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Beirdo:

lirc is one of the biggest pains in the ass you will encounter

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clever[rev]:

lol

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Beirdo:

don't get too discouraged, just threaten it some more.

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Beirdo:

getting it to compile would be good, I'd suggest downloading it from lirc's site rather than using the ubuntu-packaged one, BTW

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Beirdo:

(once again, just in case)

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Beirdo:

the packages didn't work for *BLEEP* for me

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clever[rev]:

-rw-r--r-- 1 clever clever 604524 2007-02–03 11:53 lirc-0.8.1.tar.bz2

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Beirdo:

good :)

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clever[rev]:

old tar from last build

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clever[rev]:

but i removed the extracted folder

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clever[rev]:

and reextracted

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clever[rev]:

clever@theP4:~/builds/lirc/lirc-0.8.1$ ./configure --with-transmitter --with-driver=serial

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clever[rev]:

make'ing...

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Beirdo:

bonne chance :)

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clever[rev]:

installing...

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clever[rev]:

oops forgot root:P

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clever[rev]:

modprobe -v lirc_serial;echo $?

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clever[rev]:

insmod /lib/modules/2.6.15-27–386/misc/lirc_dev.ko

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clever[rev]:

insmod /lib/modules/2.6.15-27–386/misc/lirc_serial.ko

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clever[rev]:

Feb 18 19:19:34 theP4 kernel: [17184085.864000] lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61

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clever[rev]:

0

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clever[rev]:

Feb 18 19:19:35 theP4 kernel: [17184086.868000] lirc_serial: auto-detected active high receiver

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clever[rev]:

Feb 18 19:19:35 theP4 kernel: [17184086.868000] lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0

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Beirdo:

you might wanna use a pastebin

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Beirdo:

flooding the channel sucks :)

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clever[rev]:

no1 else realy talking for it to get in the way of:P

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clever[rev]:

no error

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clever[rev]:

but it didnt shut the cable box off either

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Beirdo:

good, that looked successful

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Beirdo:

from here it's a process of using circuit debugging skills, perhaps

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clever[rev]:

we can see the ir led on the normal remote

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clever[rev]:

when using a digital cam

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Beirdo:

and get that LED aiming better can help too in some cases. I tested from the other side of the room and the angle was rather critical

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** Beirdo was too lazy to stand in front of the cable box **

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clever[rev]:

30 inches away

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clever[rev]:

and the digital cam isnt seeing the led

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Beirdo:

OK, then you have other issues :)

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Beirdo:

like the circuit being non-functional

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clever[rev]:

lol

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Beirdo:

I made my own circuit, didn't use the online available ones verbatim

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** clever[rev] grabs a volt meter **

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Beirdo:

so I had good luck that it worked right :)

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clever[rev]:

irsend SEND_START DCT2000 POWER;echo $?

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clever[rev]:

0

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Beirdo:

of course, I have an electrical eng. background, so it wasn't TOO hard for me

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clever[rev]:

my dad see's -10 volts on it

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clever[rev]:

going the wrong way for the diode/led

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clever[rev]:

when its not sending

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Beirdo:

OK

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clever[rev]:

he claims its wired backwards

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clever[rev]:

i think its the default -10(low) when not in use

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Beirdo:

when it's not sending, that LED should be off

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clever[rev]:

yeah

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Beirdo:

-10 is actually a logic high (gotta love RS232)

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justdave:

hmm, so I was having problems with DVD inserts triggering the gallery plugin instead of the DVD player the other night... ended up solving that by changing the filesystem type in /etc/fstab from "udf,iso6990" to just "udf" (something about case-sensitivity and the ts_video directory)

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Beirdo:

but anyways

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justdave:

but even with that fix, MythGallery still pops up if there's already a DVD in the drive when mythfrontend starts

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justdave:

is there any way to stop that without uninstalling MythGallery?

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Beirdo:

when sending, the voltage SHOULD change, but a voltmeter might average too much to see it well

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clever[rev]:

yeah

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Beirdo:

oscilloscope would be best, but not many of us have em at home

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clever[rev]:

we have 1 in the van:P

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Beirdo:

muhahah

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Beirdo:

you are set then

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Beirdo:

trigger on that puppy going > 0V and you should be able to see it

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Beirdo:

awww

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clever[rev]:

theres another in the garage that doesnt work

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clever[rev]:

2 total:P

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Beirdo:

well, I guess double check that any diodes, LEDs, transistors are in the circuit as in the schematic

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clever[rev]:

its in exactly as the image

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clever[rev]:

right down to the direction of the stripes on the resistor:P

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

you driving this from a laptop?

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clever[rev]:

desktop

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Beirdo:

good, hopefully it has the current source capabilities

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clever[rev]:

i was using the port last week on a real vt100 compatible terminal

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clever[rev]:

green/black screen

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Beirdo:

heh, I used to use one

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clever[rev]:

so i know its enabled in bios and is ttyS0

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Beirdo:

and then I upgraded to the VT220 (much nicer)

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Beirdo:

anyways :)

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clever[rev]:

not shure exactly which one it is:P

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clever[rev]:

but i was using screen with it last week:P

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Beirdo:

my wife would kill me if I tried to put serial terminals in the house

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clever[rev]:

using it to watch mythfrontend:P

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Beirdo:

especially when I have too many computers as it is

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clever[rev]:

lol

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Beirdo:

and I left a bunch in Canada when I moved too

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Beirdo:

is it possible you have just the LED backwards?

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Beirdo:

those are the toughest to get right

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clever[rev]:

the flate side is going to the com port

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clever[rev]:

and the other side goes to the resistor

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Beirdo:

one sec

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Beirdo:

the resistor goes to where again?

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clever[rev]:

between the led and the diode

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Beirdo:

you got a URL for that schematic? my brain is fried tonight

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Beirdo:

is it the one on lirc's site?

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clever[rev]:

http://www.lirc.org/images/simple_transmitter.gif

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Beirdo:

perfect, one sec

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Beirdo:

ok, so the flat side of the LED is going to the GND pin on the DB connector then

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Beirdo:

heh, one of these days, I'll put my schematic online... if I can even find it anymore :*

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clever[rev]:

the flate side goes to the white wire

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clever[rev]:

and the ohm meter says the white wire is going to pin 5

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Beirdo:

DB9?

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clever[rev]:

using the cable from my mouse

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clever[rev]:

serial mouse

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clever[rev]:

cut up

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clever[rev]:

http://jartz.homeip.net:8008/files/my_ir_blasters.jpg is the exact image i used

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Beirdo:

damn, my ISP is sucking as always

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clever[rev]:

lol

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Beirdo:

OK, pin 5 on DB9 is ground

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Beirdo:

and DTR should be pin 4

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clever[rev]:

yep thats what the last linked image is

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clever[rev]:

and im using the 2 wires which acording to my ohm meter lead to 4/5

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Beirdo:

OK, good. hopefully not backwards ;)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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clever[rev]:

i made shure to get the right ones

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Beirdo:

if it was, it'd be on all the time except when transmitting

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Beirdo:

which would suck

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Beirdo:

dunno

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Beirdo:

if you got the diode and LED both in the right way around, and that's a 1k resistor, it SHOULD turn on

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Beirdo:

unless LIRC is still setup wrong

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clever[rev]:

yeah could be the software end

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Beirdo:

well, gotta go anyways

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Beirdo:

sorry, good luck

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clever[rev]:

k later

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xanderp:

could someone please assist me in changing the numbers assigned to my tuners in the database? I pulled the tuners a few times now they are showing as 6,7 and 8 instead of 1,2 and 3.

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jschwepp:

So, I figure that I will write a change channel script that changes to the channel just below and changes up one channel. This seems to work fine for channels such as 10,20,30 ect...

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jschwepp:

I figure that I will just have to change to the channel below 400 and go up until I get to the right channel.

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jschwepp:

So, I write the script to do that and it causes Mythtv to close out the video.

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jschwepp:

Now, I think that it is some sort of time out issue in that the change channel script is taking too long and Mythtv thinks that it no longer has a signal.

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jschwepp:

Does any one have any idea how to make this work?

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clever[rev]:

jschwepp i just got my channel changer working

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clever[rev]:

and if i have too many sleep's the frontend gives up before it can change the channel

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clever[rev]:

lol

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jschwepp:

clever: without the sleeps the change channel script doesn't work.

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clever[rev]:

im having a bit of trouble with the 0 also

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jschwepp:

clever: Yeah? What cable box do you have?

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clever[rev]:

dct2000

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clever[rev]:

rogers digital cable

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jschwepp:

hmmm... sunflower digital cable DCT700. The DCT700 is suppose to use the same codes as the DCT2000.

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clever[rev]:

i got the dct2000 file from the site

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clever[rev]:

also my backend still has trouble playing and recording at once

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mishehu:

I have a problem with one of my cable boxes too. it's either a 700 or a 1300, and it never picks up the 0 correctly.

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clever[rev]:

when i try to get to 045

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clever[rev]:

i kept ending up on 4

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mishehu:

I've not tried the most recent lirc

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clever[rev]:

tweaking the chanel changer script got it mostly stable

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mishehu:

sounds like you might have a similar problem.

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jschwepp:

I am using the most recent version of lirc compiled from source.

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clever[rev]:

same

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clever[rev]:

but a slightly older kernel

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clever[rev]:

dont have my latest kernel source yet

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clever[rev]:

and i just upgraded the kernel this week

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jschwepp:

I am using 2.6.15 for the kernel.... Ubuntu dapper with backports enabled. Though, I don't think it is a kernel problem.

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clever[rev]:

2.6.15-27–386

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clever[rev]:

latest is 2.6.15-28–386

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jschwepp:

clever: so you are able to get it to recognize 0 sometimes?

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clever[rev]:

yeah

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clever[rev]:

when i was playing with irsend send_once dct2000 0 0 4 5

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clever[rev]:

it worked

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richard_:

now that Ive scanned for channels, can I delete some?

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clever[rev]:

but the box should receive 3 digit codes not 4 so it might be ignoring one of the 0's

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jschwepp:

clever: hmmm... here it just doesn't at all...

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clever[rev]:

irsend SEND_ONCE DCT2000 0

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clever[rev]:

after a sec the 0 came up on the box display

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clever[rev]:

you could play arround with running it manualy to see what combinations work

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clever[rev]:

also

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clever[rev]:

i did

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clever[rev]:

irsend send_start dct2000 power

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clever[rev]:

and the box was turning on and off contantly till i did send_stop

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clever[rev]:

that could be used to chan up fast but you would need to time it perfectly

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jschwepp:

yeah... hmmm

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clever[rev]:

its basicaly like holding the button

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clever[rev]:

but the time you have to wait may change from day to day

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jschwepp:

right..

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clever[rev]:

could play with the speed like

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clever[rev]:

irsend send_start remotename chanup;sleep 5;irsend send_stop remotename chanup

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clever[rev]:

that would hold it for about 5 secondsd

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clever[rev]:

but it would be better to fix the 100/0 modes

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jschwepp:

clever: I agree... I am playing with send_start right now.. not sure how consistent it is going to be

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ludmil:

new .20 install on suse 10.2. setup went OK. now, when I start mythfilldatabase, it generates a ton of "Table 'mythconverg.dd_program' doesn't exist". any ideas?

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ludmil:

google reveals nothing

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kormoc:

ludmil, did you setup the database?

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ludmil:

mysql -u root -p <mc.sql , yes

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ludmil:

kormoc. I can see that first errors are like: Unknown database 'mythconverg'

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ludmil:

kormoc: but ls /var/lib/mysql shows mythconverg

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kormoc:

and inside of mysql?

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ludmil:

yes, just tried. logged as mythtv to the mysql server

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ludmil:

use mythconverg works ok

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kormoc:

are you sure the database you pointed myth to exists?

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kormoc:

or is the correct one?

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ludmil:

i have only one

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ludmil:

and i copy/paste from the output of mythfilldatabase, i.e. no typos

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ludmil:

hmm, really strange

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ludmil:

i tried to put in mysql the insert table statemnet and it fails with the same error

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kormoc:

something is majorl screwed then

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ludmil:

kormoc, it's a new install, I can drop the database and start over

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kormoc:

likely should

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jschwepp:

Ok, well it seems that irsend send_start is too temperamental

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jschwepp:

It seems pretty ridiculous to have a change channel script that is 510 lines long, I hope they can figure out why these cable boxes don't recognize 0 pretty soon

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alsoconfused:

jschwepp: did you record the ir codes yourself?

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kormoc:

ahh, icky

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jschwepp:

alsoconfused: The remote codes for the DCT700 are the same as the DCT2000. I verified this with irw. I am sending the correct remote code, the cable box just doesn't recognize it.

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ludmil:

kormoc, I deleted mythconverg database, run mc.sql script again, went trough setup, and now mythfilldatabase fails again with the same problem

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alsoconfused:

jschwepp: does the box recognize a 0 from its own remote?

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ludmil:

kormoc, its mysql 5.0.26, can this be the problem?

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kormoc:

ludmil, shouldn't be. myth has been mysql5 safe for awhile, and I run it on a newer mysql too

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ludmil:

kormoc: very strange then. in mysql, use mythconverg works ok, but create temp table fails with the same error – no mythconverg database. very very strange

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kormoc:

USE mythconverg; works?

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ludmil:

kormox, yes

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ludmil:

s/x/c

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kormoc:

and make table works? but make temp doesn't?

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ludmil:

i did not try create table. i copy/paste the create temp from mythfillsatabase

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alsoconfused:

jschwepp: try irrecord

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e7c|home:

Hi, I've been having some issues with mplayer playing videos I upload via sftp

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ludmil:

kormoc: mysql> CREATE TEMPORARY TABLE IF NOT EXISTS dd_genre ( programid char(12) NOT NULL, class char(30), relevance char(1), INDEX progidx (programid));

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ludmil:

ERROR 1049 (42000): Unknown database 'mythconverg'

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e7c|home:

basically it says "loading" for a second, then goes back to preview

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ackley:

is there a reason why myth uses encoder and decoder libs other than ffmpeg?

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kormoc:

ludmil, SHOW DATABASES: lists mythconverg?

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ludmil:

koromoc, yes;

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e7c|home:

I can play it on my windows box

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ludmil:

kormoc, yes, it shows teh database

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alsoconfused:

ludmil: do a "show grants for mythtv;" see if it has "CREATE TEMPORARY TABLES"

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ludmil:

alsaconfused: ERROR 1141 (42000): There is no such grant defined for user 'mythtv' on host '%'

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kormoc:

ludmil, SHOW GRANTS FOR mythtv@'localhost';

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kormoc:

?

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ludmil:

kormoc: shows 2 lines: grant usage on *.* and grant all privileges

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

that's screwed... that's not what mc.sql should do

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ludmil:

in mc.sql there are oonly these 2 grant lines

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ludmil:

i.e. its create mythconverg, these grants, and alter to set the charset

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alsoconfused:

my mc.sql has: GRANT CREATE TEMPORARY TABLES ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@localhost IDENTIFIED BY "mythtv";

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ludmil:

at least, thats the file i have in /usr/share/doc/packages/mythtv/database

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ludmil:

sorry

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kormoc:

that's ungodly nasty of the packager to change

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ludmil:

i'm wrong, there is grant create temp

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alsoconfused:

ludmil: run the GRANT CREATE TEMP... yourself and see if it fixes things

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ludmil:

alsaconfused: just did as root. executed ok. but then, again it does not show this with show grants

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alsoconfused:

ludmil: did you do a "FLUSH PRIVILEGES" after the grant?

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ludmil:

this is my mc.sql: yes

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ludmil:

ops. alsaconfused: yes, i did flush

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ludmil:

i'm posting the mc.sql and the output of show grants

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ludmil:

hmm, pastebin delays for some reason

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ludmil:

here it is: http://pastebin.ca/362958

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jschwepp:

alsoconfused: just verified that irrecord produces the same result

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kormoc:

ludmil, you likely need to revoke everything else first

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ludmil:

kormoc: ?

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kormoc:

ludmil, I think perhps your grants are being seen as part of the *.* and thus not getting applied

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kormoc:

mysql trys to be smart

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kormoc:

so likely have to remove all the other permissions first

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ludmil:

kormoc: any idea how?

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ludmil:

kormoc: ok, revoked all. still show grants displays grant ussage on ...

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ludmil:

i'll delete this user from users table

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jschwepp:

alsoconfused: it just makes no sense because the remote works fine with the cable box and I can record the code, but when I send the code back it just won't recognize it.

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jschwepp:

alsoconfused: I wonder if a universal remote would have the same problem.

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alsoconfused:

jschwepp: when you recorded the '0', the code matched what you already had?

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jschwepp:

alsoconfused: that is correct

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ludmil:

it drives me crasy. revoked all privileges. deleted mythtv user from users table. flush priv, then grant exactly as in mc.sql, with flushes inbetween. and still yet the same output from show grants :(

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alsoconfused:

jschwepp: where can i see the lircd.conf you're using?

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kormoc:

ludmil, I'd sudgest wiping the entire mysql setup if you can and starting over, it's super weird

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jschwepp:

alsoconfused: It is just the standard DCT2000

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alsoconfused:

do you have a link?

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ludmil:

kormoc, i'll do, but it's super wierd indeed

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brandon:

Previous version allowed you to set the fast forward and rewind amounts (30 second forward, 10 seconds back) and jumping (10 minutes forward and back) I can not find where these can be adjusted, has the configurability been removed from myth?

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jschwepp:

alsoconfused: http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/motorola/DCT2000

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alsoconfused:

jschwepp: it's interesting that '0' is 0xFFFF. maybe it's a marginal timing thing that gets screwed up by such a long string of 1's

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alsoconfused:

jschwepp: did irrecord yield different values for the timings at the top of lircd.conf?

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jschwepp:

hmmm... didn't check... hold on a sec..

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jschwepp:

alsoconfused: actually it wouldn't matter because when using the recorded settings it doesn't register 0 either...

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alsoconfused:

jschwepp: when it said to hold an arbitrary key, which one did you use?

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jschwepp:

alsoconfused: it never said anything about an arbitrary key.... it told me to start pressing buttons and then when it had the length of the code it asked me to enter a name and then press that button

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jschwepp:

It is very important that you press many different buttons and hold them

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jschwepp:

down for approximately one second. Each button should generate at least one

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jschwepp:

dot but in no case more than ten dots of output.

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jschwepp:

Don't stop pressing buttons until two lines of dots (2x80) have been

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jschwepp:

generated.

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jschwepp:

Press RETURN now to start recording.

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jschwepp:

................................................................................ Found const length: 95984

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alsoconfused:

jschwepp: that's a bit different than my irrecord, but what i was getting at is that maybe it would do better if you used the '0' when it's learning the timings

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jschwepp:

alsoconfused: I did hit zero a number of times when it had me press a bunch of buttons

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xris:

jschwepp: it wants you to press lots of different buttons because it needs to determine the "start" and "end" signals for your remote

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ludmil:

kormoc, alsaconfused: after reinstalling mysql from scratch everything is now ok. thanks guys

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kormoc:

nifty

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ludmil:

yeah

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alsoconfused:

good deal

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jschwepp:

xris: right... I was just explaining that my irrecord never asked me to hit an arbitrary key. alsoconfused was asking me what key I hit when it asked for an arbitrary key.

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nn:

are there any usb2.0 (or if unavoidable, PCI) video in devices that work with myth that have component in? no need for an actual tuner, just component (and maybe composite) in

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xris:

nn: component (HD) encoding is EXPENSIVE (thousands), and I've never heard of a USB device

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nn:

ahh

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xris:

for composite and other sources like that, there are a handful of usb tuners.

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xris:

what are you trying to encode?

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nn:

xris: basically i have a few FiOS boxes, want to run them into my Integration Server box and have it stream the video to wherever in the house

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xris:

FiOS meaning verizon's iptv?

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nn:

xris: yea

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xris:

yeah. unless you have firewire ports on the boxes, there's no way you can get HD off of them without professional-grade hardware.

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xris:

and component is lousy for that, anyway, since it's an analog signal.

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xris:

lots of cards and usb devices with composite or svideo, though.

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nn:

xris: I dont absolutely need component, but i do need better than composite

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xris:

well, svideo is better, but not by much.

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nn:

yea.. hmm

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xris:

most people can't tell the difference between them

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nn:

there may be firewire on the boxes, but whether or not they'll actually do anything useful i have no idea

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xris:

nn: yeah. only the cable companies are required to provide active firewire ports. Last I heard, verizon didn't activate their ports, but it may be a regional thing, too

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alsoconfused:

jschwepp: do you have the blaster good and close to the receiver shaded from ambient light?

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nn:

brb, gotta reboot to test xpe :)

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jschwepp:

xris: by "have" I meant support.... and until I am forced to use a transport that supports any form of drm... I will choose the transport that doesn't support hdcp. Sort of the principle of the whole thing...

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xris:

jschwepp: I don't have anything HD, so it doesn't really matter to me for now.

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jschwepp:

xris: Yeah... you can already get them.... though not exactly through normal channels. I am sure that if the caught on, the media companies would invoke the DMCA. Hell with the way things are setup, they could probably just revoke the code for said device and it would no longer work new players.

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jschwepp:

with new players that is

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xris:

heh. just ask kormoc about the scheme he read about to get every player blocked

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xris:

or maybe that was one of the hddvd/bluray protection schemes

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jschwepp:

alsoconfused: Yeah... the lighting is pretty dim right now..

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t0ny-p40:

my mythweb was working but now I cant use it

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t0ny-p40:

nothing shows

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xris:

t0ny-p40: nothing shows where?

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alsoconfused:

jschwepp: i'd try combinations of increasing/decreasing pulse/space timings. it really sounds like a marginal timing issue. or maybe you can get more accurate timing info with mode2.

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t0ny-p40:

xris, from the index or any page

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t0ny-p40:

no output its just blank

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jschwepp:

xris: yeah... they kind of all tie together. AACS so that the player can read the disk and HDCP to verify that you have a authorized TV/Monitor. If the key for the monitor has been compromised they can lock it out and if the key for the player has been compromised new discs will refuse to run.

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xris:

t0ny-p40: check your apache error log

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xris:

jschwepp: there was something recently about a way to block EVERYTHING with a single disk.. and the fear of what would happen if such a thing happened.

[05:22:58]

xris:

since once something's blocked, it can't be unblocked.

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t0ny-p40:

wtf now its working.

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jschwepp:

xris: Yeah, I know.... I actually would love to see that happen... Nothing brings about change more than pissed off customers that did nothing wrong.

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jschwepp:

xris: Can you imagine the class action lawsuits?

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xris:

jschwepp: that's exactly what people are talking about

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xris:

t0ny-p40: happens sometimes if the system is really busy, or you hit a stale apache process, etc.

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t0ny-p40:

I restarted apache a few times and it still did not work

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jschwepp:

alsoconfused: I went and looked at the output from irrecord and realized that it recorded everything as raw. That should make timing issues mute, right?

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jschwepp:

moot that is...

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t0ny-p40:

That fcc rule/law about firewire, if my cable co. wont give me a box with it enabled then what happens to them?

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t0ny-p40:

Do they get fined or can I sue them?

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alsoconfused:

jschwepp: that's interesting. are you pointing irrecord at the existing config file or letting it make a new one?

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jschwepp:

alsoconfused: I created a new conf file

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alsoconfused:

which version of irrecord?

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jschwepp:

irrecord 0.5

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alsoconfused:

same as mine, but here it starts out asking me to hold an arbitrary key.

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clever__:

arg the prebuffering's

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clever__:

there painfull

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clever__:

and they wont go away

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jschwepp:

hmmm weird

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jschwepp:

alsoconfused: I am running sudo irrecord -d /dev/lirc0 junk

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alsoconfused:

jschwepp: if it looks like it gives any meaningful values for pulse, space and gap, i'd plug them into your existing file.

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jschwepp:

alsoconfused: Right, but when using the conf file that it generated it still doesn't recognize 0

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alsoconfused:

jschwepp: it might be some combination of the two.

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clever__:

you could program 102 as a single code

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clever__:

record all 3 keys at once

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jschwepp:

clever: hmmmmm?

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clever__:

if its having trouble hearing the 0 you could make recording of multiple keys including the problem one

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t0ny-p40:

clever[rev], do you know anything about firewire?

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clever__:

pushing 1 0 2 all in order while irrecord is going and saving it as a single key

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t0ny-p40:

clever__, *

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clever__:

t0ny-p40: i have 1 firewire port in the whole house and nothing to ocnnect it to/with

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clever[rev]:

and im the same clever:P

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t0ny-p40:

I meant more like getting a firewire cablebox

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jschwepp:

clever: I don't think that will work, because it won't even recognize 0 in raw form.

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t0ny-p40:

cableone says they disable it

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t0ny-p40:

but the faa says they cant

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t0ny-p40:

err fcc

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clever:

no idea

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clever:

not a lawyer:P

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clever:

only port i have on my box is a serial and it appears to be disabled

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clever:

and im up in canada

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jschwepp:

well I got to go... I'll look into this some more later, but for now I think the way to go is a custom change channel script, at least until more is known about what is causing the problem.

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t0ny-p40:

xris, so I can get some channels then

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t0ny-p40:

but they are too stupid to know the law

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xris:

t0ny-p40: do you have HD cable?

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t0ny-p40:

no

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xris:

then they don't have to give you anything

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xris:

law only applies to HD customers.

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t0ny-p40:

well we do have hd but we dont have any hd tvs

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xris:

(though in the case of comcast, it's only a $5/month upgrade for digital customers to get an HD box)

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t0ny-p40:

well hd is part of our package

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t0ny-p40:

I can hear it but thats it :)

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xris:

gotcha.

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xris:

so you have an HD box?

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t0ny-p40:

No

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xris:

(cable box)

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t0ny-p40:

no

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xris:

you know how much they charge you to get one?

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t0ny-p40:

My mom said they told her that will give us a box for free

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t0ny-p40:

because we had them over 3 years or something

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clever:

my dad wont even bother calling in to enable my box's serial port

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clever:

and doesnt see why i want to make an ir receiver and make using the tv more complex

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xris:

t0ny-p40: that's cool.. you can google to get the actual wording of the fcc mandate. pretty easy to pass that along to them when you get the box.

[06:12:25]

xris:

also, a lot of their salespeople don't have a clue about firewire.. I asked flat out to comcast and they had no idea what firewire even was. had to get someone to ask a manager to confirm that the ports worked.

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t0ny-p40:

I had to talk to a manager too

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t0ny-p40:

the guy one the phone asked if I was talking about a firewall

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clever:

lol

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xris:

lol

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clever:

get a laptop with firewire

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clever:

install a backend+frontend on it

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clever:

carry it into the store

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clever:

test out every box in the show room yourself

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xris:

t0ny-p40: so am I misunderstanding.. you already have firewire? thought you said they weren't going to give it to you.

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t0ny-p40:

No i dont have a firewire cable box

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t0ny-p40:

clever, my laptop has firewire and mythtv

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t0ny-p40:

but I dont know of any stores that have firewire boxes on display or even sell them

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clever:

lol

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xris:

t0ny-p40: if they said they'd give you a box upgrade for free, you should take it. Just make sure you ask for one with firewire ports, since some of the older HD boxes don't actually have them.

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xris:

clever: it's in the .pro file

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xris:

(re what you asked in #mythtv)

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

was thinking since im planing on dev'ing some code it might be a dev issue:P

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clever:

dont see debug in either config.pro or settings.pro

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clever:

wait just spoted mythplugings.pro

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clever:

no debug there either:P

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xris:

--compile-tupe

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xris:

--compile-type

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xris:

I don't think mythplugins has it

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clever:

reason i need it is because of this backtrace

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clever:

#14 0xb36a422d in (anonymous namespace)::screenVideoDefault () from /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythvideo.so

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clever:

#15 0xb6befe13 in MythMainWindow::ExitToMainMenu (this=0x8314218) at mythmainwindow.cpp:703

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clever:

filenames suddenly stop appearing in the middle of the bt

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clever:

so i cant tell what line/file it crashed in

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kormoc:

you sure it's not non myth files?

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kormoc:

cause unless you compiled QT with debugging symbols, you won't get those

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hjohnson:

wtf..

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hjohnson:

mysql is busted.

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hjohnson:

it blows up on boot, I can't get into the shell even though I'm root..

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hjohnson:

well, start.. and when I try to start it it throws all these duplicate column names errors

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hjohnson:

piece of crap!

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hjohnson:

</rant>

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hjohnson:

now it doesn't error, but it doesn't work either.

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** hjohnson screams **

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** clever covers his ears **

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xris:

hjohnson: sounds like a problem trying to upgrade the myth db version

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xris:

run whatever myth app it is with "-v all" to see if you get more errors

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xris:

or is this purely mysql-related?

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hjohnson:

xris: I don't have myth installed yet because I can't connect to the mysql database.

[07:06:22]

hjohnson:

in the mean time, my wordpress blogs, and other stuff doesn't work.

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xris:

hjohnson: blech

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xris:

do you have a backup?

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hjohnson:

xris: not a recent one.

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xris:

:(

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kormoc:

have you tried to repair it?

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hjohnson:

my roommate who's a dba and knows his way around this stuff is looking at it

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hjohnson:

i think the auth side of the database is hosed..

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hjohnson:

i think i'm goin got pin mysql once this starts working again.

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clever:

if the 'mysql' database is lost then it wont know any of the usernames/perms

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hjohnson:

it's tough to tell though, because even though the database is running, nothing can connect to it.

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clever:

one of the options to mysqld causes it to ignore all perms and let all users have root power

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clever:

which lets you login and use that power to fix it

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hjohnson:

he's attacking it, i'll let him deal with it

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** clever hands hjohnson a hammer to aid in the attacking **

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xris:

hjohnson: if it's just perms, that's not too bad. THAT data can be replaced. (even from your backup)

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clever:

but its hard to tell how much else is damaged till you fix that

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hjohnson:

it was fine this morning, until I ran a debian update

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clever:

:S

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hjohnson:

then it went kablooie

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hjohnson:

heh, my roommate who does DBs for a living is swearing at me and at the database.. this isn't a good sign

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clever:

lol

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clever:

apt-get update or apt-get upgrade?

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rjpadilla:

anyone know how to get the s-video and composite to work with PVR-150?

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rjpadilla:

I am using edgy eft mythtv-0.2

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hjohnson:

yeah

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squish102:

q: i am running out of disk space on my mount with mythtv. Can i move some .mpg files out the recordings directory and when i have a chance put them back and burn them to dvd. i cannot burn to dvd now :(

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hjohnson:

hmm.. now why can't myth let me add channels

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hjohnson:

I don't see any of th eicons from mythtv-setup like what is shown in the documentation

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hjohnson:

i'm confused.

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hjohnson:

oh well, bedtime

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squish102:

q: i am running out of disk space on my mount with mythtv. Can i move some .mpg files out the recordings directory and when i have a chance put them back and burn them to dvd. i cannot burn to dvd now :(

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rsdvd:

squish102 : I am not expert – so take what I say with a pinch of salt......but ....as far as I know, it the .mpg files are missing then the frontend/mythweb take ages to open as it searches for them to make the thumbnails

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rsdvd:

have you thought of moving them to another filesystem and symlinking them so myth thinks they are still there

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rsdvd:

Good morning juski

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juski:

morning

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rsdvd:

Good Weekend ?

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juski:

putting my s100 boxes on ebay this week if anyone wants

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rsdvd:

how much?

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juski:

dunno – auctions are auctions :)

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rsdvd:

lol....starting price / expected selling price?

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rsdvd:

If I can get this one going – I want another 2 for round the house

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juski:

prolly about 30 squids

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juski:

I'll be happy with that

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rsdvd:

did you ever get them working ?

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juski:

yup

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rsdvd:

with what distro? Slack?

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juski:

I'm selling them – not selling tech support

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rsdvd:

:-)

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rsdvd:

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rsdvd:

how many have you got?

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squish102:

rsdvd do you think symlinking will work if I move the .mpg's?

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squish102:

because i will be moving them to another bount if i csan

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squish102:

or will symlinks break mythtv

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kormoc:

you could try and see

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squish102:

i would hate to loose my recordings though

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squish102:

my wife would kill me

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kormoc:

how would you lose it? you'd move it somewhere, symlink, see if it works, if so, great, else, move it back.

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rsdvd:

squish102 : I can see no reason whya symlink would not work......my 'store' folder is symlinked

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squish102:

ok so the info in the database will not be removed if it does not work, and then i have to figure out how to reinsert it. should i dump the database just incase?

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squish102:

ok so the info in the database will not be removed if it does not work, and then i have to figure out how to reinsert it. should i dump the database just incaseok thanks

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squish102:

ok thanks

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kormoc:

only removed when you delete it

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rsdvd:

it is always advisable to backup your database periodically – but Myth will not automatically delete things from the database if it cannot find them on the filesystem.

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fredl:

So what would you guys consider to be the 'best' TV capture card for use with MythTV?

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fredl:

I see the Hauppage cards mentioned quite often...

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fredl:

but those need the IVTV drivers, correct?

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gardengnome:

the hauppauge PVR cards need ivtv drivers, yes.

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gardengnome:

for analog tv they're the way to go IMHO.

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fredl:

not for digital TV though?

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gardengnome:

almost no CPU usage whn recording and the picture quality is decent.

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gardengnome:

fredl: no.

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fredl:

(just reading some things about the pcHDTV cards.)

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gardengnome:

fredl: unless you want to record from your cable box via s-video or something.

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fredl:

are you in the US or in Europe gardengnome?

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fredl:

ah, Germany.

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gardengnome:

yep :)

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rsdvd:

fredl : I woudl still recommend Hauppague cards fro digital....I use them for DVB-T without any problems

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fredl:

I'm in the Netherlands myself. Asking an American for the 'best TV card' would probably give different answers than from a European because of the different TV standards.

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** rsdvd is in the UK **

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juski:

got 2 s100 boxen. one has the vga mod, the other is getting the vga mod this week

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juski:

anyway

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fredl:

I'm basically looking into setting up a new server for all kinds of things, and since I'll be placing this server near my TV, I might as well pay some good attention to the media-center possibilities.

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fredl:

I love those Shuttleshop PC's (https://www.shuttleshop.nl/ssconfig.php?system=476)

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fredl:

well the case doesn't look so great...

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fredl:

rsdvd, what's DVB-T ?

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rsdvd:

digital video broadcast – terrestial .....digital TV over the aerial

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rsdvd:

dvb-c....digital over cable

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rsdvd:

dvb-s digital over satellite

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fredl:

ah okay. I was wondering about that... for DVB-C do you *need* a cable box from your cable provider?

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fredl:

Do you have UPC in the UK/Germany too BTW?

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fredl:

see, I was wondering, could I get digital TV from UPC and send it through my PC and then display it on my LCD TV.

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fredl:

*without* the UPC box obviously.

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anykey:

fredl: do you already own a UPC mediabox?

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fredl:

anykey: I've had one but I hate the thing.

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fredl:

so I returned it.

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anykey:

fredl: We are getting the same box here, so do you know if it can use different infrared codes per box?

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fredl:

I have no clue anykey, I was underimpressed with UPC's programming.

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fredl:

I used it for a little while only and then got annoyed with having to use several remotes.

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rsdvd:

fedl : I am not suer of the law in the Netherlands – but DVB-C in the UK needs the set-top box under the Terms& conditions

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fredl:

rsdvd, so you're saying it's likely possible but it might be 'illegal' ?

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qu0zl:

if it's a T&C thing then it's not criminal but you're breaking the terms of your contract with your provider, so it's a civil matter

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qu0zl:

that's different from illegal

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rsdvd:

depends on your terms&conditions and whether the siganl is sent encoded. Most Cable boxes (that I have dealt with) decode the signal using either internal chips or a CAM

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rsdvd:

so to decode it without the box would be 'illegal'

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fredl:

well digital pay-tv doesn't have my priority but it's nice to be prepared I guess.

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rsdvd:

as far as I know – ALL channels in UK DVB-C are encrypted

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fredl:

so with those Hauppage cards I could either capture analog TV or digital TV but whether I could do something with the digital TV signal depends on some hacking, possibly TOS violation.

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** rsdvd waits to be corrected **

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fredl:

rsdvd, it's most likely exactly the same in .nl

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rsdvd:

if you need to use a STB then you simply capture analogue output formthebox and use a ir-blaster to change channels

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rsdvd:

you are better with DVB-T (if it is available in NL) as the Mythbox has complete control without needing a stb

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fredl:

hmm there's an idea.. I've never heard of an IR-blaster but I can guess what it does, it makes your PC control the remote for the STB, correct?

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rsdvd:

sort of – replaces the remote – and allows the PC to send IR commands (from a wire attached to the front of the STB)

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fredl:

and according to the MythTV Wiki, the PVR-150 might have an IR blaster.

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rsdvd:

yes -the 150 I have came with a blaster (although I have never used it) as I have SKY Satellite and DVB-T digital

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fredl:

is there a way to determine (before buying) whether a PVR card has an IR blaster?

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Ruleke:

I think all non-MCE pvr150 have one, or maybe it's the other way around

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Ruleke:

either non-MCE or MCE has one always

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rsdvd:

ask in here usually :-)

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rsdvd:

Ruleke : it is the non-MCE that have a blaster....cause the blaster is built into the IR reciver in the MCE version

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rsdvd:

In my experience – YMMV

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Ruleke:

yeah

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Ruleke:

I wasn't sure because my friend bought one and has it... though I though he got an MCE because it was so cheap

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rsdvd:

as I say YMMV :-)

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Ruleke:

yeah I remember now, MCE also doesn't include a remote right ?

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Ruleke:

so he got the non-MCE

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rsdvd:

yeah – cause you get a MCE remote with MCE

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fredl:

so if you look at https://www.shuttleshop.nl/ssconfig.php?system=476

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fredl:

that's a PVR-150 MCE, what does the MCE mean? Media Center Something I guess?

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rsdvd:

Windows Media Center Edition

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rsdvd:

that box is shipped with windows MCE – so those cards will probably not have the blaster

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rsdvd:

I am afraid by Dutch is not good enough to transalte the page

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Ruleke:

agreed

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Ruleke:

mine is

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rsdvd:

what does "Afstandsbediening" mean?

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Ruleke:

as I'm a native speaker :)

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Ruleke:

remote

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fredl:

remote

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fredl:

so am I :)

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fredl:

hoi Ruleke!

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rsdvd:

well then it is likely to coem with the 'proper' mce remote and reciver – which itself has 2 blasters ( and a much nicer remote)

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Ruleke:

:-)

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fredl:

so why would anybody want a dual-analogue tuner? I mean that means you need to hook up two cables or does it mean you could record two channels at the same time using one cable?

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rsdvd:

you can record 2 at once

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rsdvd:

you use 1 aerial and record whilst watching etc

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Ruleke:

the PVR500 is very nice in the way that it only needs 1 cable connection to record from 2 different frequencies at once

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fredl:

oh that's kind of cool actually.

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Ruleke:

also only uses 1 pci slot ;)

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rsdvd:

the PVR-500 has some issues though......better off with 2x 150s in my oppinion

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fredl:

well and since there's only two PCI slots in that shuttle box... :)

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Ruleke:

that friend of mine has 2 pvr500's and a pvr150

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Ruleke:

his wife watches all them soap things

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Ruleke:

rsdvd: I disagree, works like a charm

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fredl:

geezus, and she's like 500lbs watching potatoe chips all day while glued to the TV? :)

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quicksilver:

watching potato chips is quite slimming

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rsdvd:

the 500 is 2 USB tuners on a usb hub...all in 1 card.....it has been reported that it can crash more often then the 150s

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quicksilver:

it's eating them that's the problem

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fredl:

heh

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rsdvd:

the 500 is getting better all the time – but the 150 is older so more of the bugs have been ironed out

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rsdvd:

eit is report to cause the 500 to crash

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fredl:

Ruleke – I assume your friend uses the pvr500 on Linux, correct? :)

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Ruleke:

this isn't the case

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Ruleke:

the pvr500 does not use usb internally

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Ruleke:

yeah mythtv

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fredl:

Ubuntu box or something?

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rsdvd:

Ruleke : i don't ahve one – but that is what I was told in here!

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rsdvd:

anyone else confirm either way ?

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Ruleke:

I've installed them at lots of friends that haven't made the dvb jump yet

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Ruleke:

it's a pci bridge chip and just twice the chip

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Ruleke:

the only issue is with some crazy via boards where the pci bridge confuzzles the bios

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fredl:

Ruleke – when you say 'dvb jump', what card would you recommend instead?

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Ruleke:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . ompatibility

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Ruleke:

recommend ? not sure... I still ahve an old technotrend C2300, I suppose I would buy a C1500 today..

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fredl:

So with the Hauppage boards you cannot do DVB-C then? Did I misunderstand earlier... ?

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fredl:

I'm a cluebie here, so please bear with me :)

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rsdvd:

you can connect a cable TV signal – but if it is encrypted you will need the STB to decode it – so you will only get analog out

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Ruleke:

pvr-xxx cards are analog

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Ruleke:

I don't use an STB

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Ruleke:

I use a DVB card with CAM

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Ruleke:

it makes no sense to me the convert a digital stream to analog just to digitise it again

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rsdvd:

is that legal/within T&C in NL ?

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fredl:

the DVB-C card would be hooked up to the STB's digital output I guess?

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Ruleke:

no idea as I'm not in NL

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fredl:

so that's really the difference, right? Hauppage connects to analog cable...

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anykey:

rsdvd: you are lucky then, you can't get a CAM here, for "technical" reasons, they say...

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gardengnome:

the STB is unlikely to have a digital output

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rsdvd:

the STB will proably not have a digital out?

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Ruleke:

where I am you just get the smartcard with the subscription

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fredl:

oh...

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fredl:

what's a 'CAM' btw?

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gardengnome:

anykey: are you sure that's true? eg mascom probably makes a CAM that works for you

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gardengnome:

fredl: a conditional access module.

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anykey:

gardengnome: they pair the CAM with their STB, so there is no way..

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rsdvd:

Conditional Access Module – the smartcard in a stb

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Ruleke:

no

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gardengnome:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_Access_Module

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rsdvd:

(well actually the bit that decodes the smartcode)

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Ruleke:

the smartcard is the little chipcard that goes into the CAM

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Ruleke:

the CAM is pcmcia formfactor and fits in the CI

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rsdvd:

:-)

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gardengnome:

anykey: you don't have to use their CAM. although that might be a violation of their contract

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Ruleke:

the CI is connected to the DVB card :P

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anykey:

gardengnome: I doubt that this is something we should discuss here :-)

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rsdvd:

LOL – there shoudl be some code in IRC channels that expands all the accronyms :-)

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Ruleke:

I don't see how using a CAM would violate the contract as long as you use their smartcard .. ?

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fredl:

Ruleke – so can a DVB-C card like yours also capture analog signals?

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Ruleke:

heck, some TVs have built-in CI cam-slots :)

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Ruleke:

fredl: the old one C2300 I think can... not sure, I wouldn't want to ;)

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gardengnome:

anykey: i never said you're supposed to do it! i mean, that'd be incredibly mean towards your cable company.

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gardengnome:

anykey_: some poor kid is gonna stare to death just because you wanted to watch TV. ;)

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fredl:

Ruleke, I understand, but right now I don't have any digital, so I want something that could simply capture my current analog TV. Later on I might want to spend some time to mess around with digital TV

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Ruleke:

just get a pvr150, it's cheap enought imho

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rsdvd:

fredl for ease of use and price – the 150 cannot be beaten for analog

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fredl:

and the Hauppage cards are apparently well supported on Linux...

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fredl:

hmm, ok.

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Ruleke:

everyone I know personally that built a mythtv setup for analog has used the hauppauge pvr cards

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rsdvd:

the best thing with the Hauppague – that has not been metioned is they are harware encoding....meaning all the PC has to do is dump it to disk.......other 'framegrabber' cards need the CPU to encode all the data – meaning a much beffy machine is needed

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Ruleke:

about 12 people so far :)

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fredl:

I also have an SAA7134 based TV card in my own desktop, maybe I should just use that one in the new box as it's pretty much sitting idle here.

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qu0zl:

if it's just a framegrabber fredl then i'd pay up for the pvr150 personally

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qu0zl:

just to save the hassle, hardware encoding is much simpler

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Ruleke:

qu0zl: agreed

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fredl:

sounds like some great advice guys :)

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qu0zl:

or get a pvr500 because having a dual tuner card is great, you can watch tv while you record or record two things at once

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qu0zl:

question of budget of course

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Ruleke:

and remote sometimes

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fredl:

well it's only 70 euros more for the PVR-500.

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qu0zl:

i'd get the pvr500 personally but i spend way too much money on nerdy hobbies ;)

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fredl:

so when I run mythtv on this box, I could also watch TV from other PC's connected to the network, right?

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fredl:

you need some separate client then or something?

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quicksilver:

other linux PCs, yes

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quicksilver:

you just run the front end on them

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rsdvd:

if they are linux – then install mythfronend on them

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rsdvd:

if they are windows – there are ways – but not ideal

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qu0zl:

fredl, i think you can watch videos from windows pcs too if you install a uPNP video client like vlc.

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fredl:

cool, so when I get the PVR-500, one front end could be watching one channel through his PC while the other watches another channel?

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quicksilver:

that's one of the cool things about myth

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quicksilver:

(as many frontends as you want)

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qu0zl:

i've not done it yet, maybe someone can tell you for sure

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qu0zl:

yep fredl, or they could both be watching recorded programs while it records two others

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rsdvd:

there is currently no way to watch 'live' tv on windows

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fredl:

that's pretty cool.

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fredl:

well I'm not using Windows anyway.

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qu0zl:

aye but you can watch recorded tv can't you rsdvd ?

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qu0zl:

i haven't tried the uPNP support at all yet

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rsdvd:

you can watch recorded prgrams by upnp though....but someone is working on a windows client for live tv

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quicksilver:

fredl: they can even be watching the same TV program, out of sync with each other

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quicksilver:

fredl: one person can pause it while he goes to get a beer

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fredl:

that's pretty awesome indeed.

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rsdvd:

quicksilver : only of they are using both tuners

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quicksilver:

rsdvd: no

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quicksilver:

rsdvd: they're watching the on disk copy

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quicksilver:

rsdvd: they can be out of sync on that

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fredl:

so how about radio signals on the cable, can the Hauppage cards capture that somehow?

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doc__:

hi there

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qu0zl:

yep fredl but i've also not bothered to set that up :)

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fredl:

qu0zl, well me either, I don't even have a radio tuner here, but all these thingies add up :)

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rsdvd:

quicksilver : on – but not 'live' tv – it would have to be a recorded show (or the currently recording show inthe 'Live' directory)

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fredl:

well it's lunch time here, bbl.

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quicksilver:

rsdvd: live tv schmive tv

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fredl:

thanks for all the help guys!!

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quicksilver:

rsdvd: the point is, you can do it :P

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rsdvd:

quicksilver : yes! I just thought I had missed something – I oftern want to watch the sem show in different rooms

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Ruleke:

I thought you could for live tv even... it would just buffer it to disk right ?

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qu0zl:

if you've two tuners it'll do it automatically with livetv if both users just select watch livetv

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rsdvd:

Ruleke : as far as i know – not from the 'Watch Live TV' button

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Ruleke:

what about just one if you're watching the same channel...

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qu0zl:

if you've one, then one could be watching the programme live and the other could select the on disk buffer of it and watch it out of sync as it records surely

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Ruleke:

interesting, never tested that

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qu0zl:

peoples livetv recordings are in the watch media list

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rsdvd:

lol

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Ruleke:

yeah how would you survive without irc :)

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quicksilver:

yes, livetv recordings are at the top of the media list

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quicksilver:

(since 0.19, perhaps?)

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rsdvd:

wb juski

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fredl:

so have any of you guys hooked up an HDTV graphics board?

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juski:

looks like some asshat has deleted my webshite again. they must be on NTL

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rsdvd:

what is the difference bewtween a normal graphics card and a HD one?

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rsdvd:

juski : I noticed that – only S100 pages are there

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juski:

they're not

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juski:

I just looked

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fredl:

good question, but I'm looking at the description of the 7950GT which has 'HDTV'

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fredl:

and it costs nearly twice as much at most other graphics boards :P

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rsdvd:

juski : they were earlier – they have gone too

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juski:

'has HDTV' ?wtf is that supposed to mean?

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rsdvd:

HDTV just means a signal with more than 720 lines – all cards can do that

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** rsdvd waits to be corrected **

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juski:

rsdvd: I got properly pwn3d last Friday

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Ruleke:

they probably refer to the connector

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fredl:

in the typname juski. Nvidia 7950GT/512MB/HDTV

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Ruleke:

I think they mean hdmi

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juski:

they prolly mean it has an HDMI connector

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Ruleke:

some 7950 board have them

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Ruleke:

some others now too

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rsdvd:

if it has HDMI/DVI out ?

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juski:

you can buy a DVI-HDMI adapter for like $5 anyway

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Ruleke:

I would hope they all have dvi :)

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rsdvd:

juski : what happened ? did you get hacked?

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rsdvd:

you have backups?

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juski:

the theme tarballs are still up, but they're hosted somewhere I don't have a password saved for ;)

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juski:

fredl: makes no difference since you can adapt between them so easily

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Ruleke:

fredl: no idea, but as juski mentioned, an adapter is cheap

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fredl:

juski, ah okay.

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fredl:

anybody using a 7950GT by any chance?

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juski:

I've bloody had it with this theme business. wtf have I upset so much that they'd do this?

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Ruleke:

fredl: sounds like major overkill

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hashbang:

juski: hey there

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hashbang:

juski: I think I've found a v. odd bug in MythTV 0.19

[11:38:00]

fredl:

Ruleke, well I've been thinking about buying a PS3....

[11:38:38]

Ruleke:

errr... ok ?

[11:38:45]

Ruleke:

I thought we were talking mythtv ?

[11:38:49]

fredl:

Ruleke, but since I'm configuring a media PC anyway, I figured why not put a blue ray drive in there. Will I need lots of graphics power to play blue-ray through my graphics card or am I being ridiculous now?

[11:38:56]

hashbang:

juski: whenever I record a classical music concert, I get a 0 byte mpeg

[11:39:09]

fredl:

well I don't think a 7950GT is neccesary for mythtv :)

[11:39:24]

Ruleke:

afaik there is no h.264 acceleration is a linux driver, not sure though

[11:39:45]

rsdvd:

juski : iti is not neccesarily your theme work that upset someone – could just be randon

[11:39:56]

fredl:

h.264?

[11:40:45]

fredl:

Ruleke, having a Linux driver might not be neccesary since I want to run either VMWare or Xen on it...

[11:41:06]

fredl:

so I believe I could use native Windows drivers as well.

[11:41:41]

Ruleke:

erm...

[11:42:07]

Ruleke:

vmware will abstract your hardware to some vmware baseline stuff

[11:43:02]

hashbang:

Ruleke: I think myth uses xvmc to accelerate h.264 decoding.

[11:43:22]

** hashbang is still firmly SD, though, so he doesn't really track that stuff. **

[11:43:26]

fredl:

well vmware server runs on a host OS, if the host OS 'recognizes' the hardware, will the guest OS also be able to use it unfettered I wonder.

[11:43:50]

hashbang:

fredl: no, because of said abstraction.

[11:44:03]

fredl:

Ruleke – and Xen with paravirtualization may work even better since it's basically hardware virtualization.

[11:44:15]

hashbang:

fredl: if your host has an nVidia card, is isn't presented to the guest VMs as a nVidia card, but a curious VMware device.

[11:44:32]

fredl:

I understand that running Windows inside Xen is a pain though for now.

[11:44:50]

hashbang:

fredl: now, some features of the nVidia card and driver will be mapped through to equivalent functions in the VMware device, but there's no guarantee that any, all, or even just the useful functions will be. :-)

[11:44:50]

fredl:

hashbang, hmmm...

[11:45:17]

fredl:

I'm just trying to fit a whole bunch of pieces to the puzzle together :)

[11:45:25]

hashbang:

fredl: you've played with emulators before, right?

[11:45:35]

fredl:

hashbang, yes I have.

[11:45:49]

hashbang:

fredl: if so, think of VMware and Xen as funky PC-emulators-running-on-PCs.

[11:45:51]

fredl:

hashbang, not with Xen yet though, except for the Xen LiveCD.

[11:46:12]

fredl:

hashbang, you have experience with Xen and paravirtualization?

[11:46:30]

Ruleke:

Xen on a VT cpu would be nice

[11:46:31]

hashbang:

fredl: (funkiness is mainly the hyper-efficent ways they do the CPU 'emulation' (actually, passthru, mostly))

[11:46:36]

Ruleke:

still don't have one :P

[11:46:55]

hashbang:

fredl: naw, I've been using VMware since pre-1.0 days, so I stick with what I know. :-)

[11:47:29]

fredl:

well I kind of understand the implications of emulators, not all I think, so there's a black hole there still ;)

[11:47:41]

fredl:

hashbang, I love VMWare man :)

[11:48:02]

fredl:

but you're right, some devices appear 'odd' within a virtual machine.

[11:48:03]

Ruleke:

I've only used it a lot in the enterprise with ESX

[11:48:37]

Ruleke:

some desktop stuff to install some course materials in an isolated OS etc

[11:48:48]

hashbang:

fredl: look at it this way; if you have a NES emulator, just because your graphics card has 3D accleration features, doesn't mean the NES emulation suddenly grows them and your 3D NES games run smoother.

[11:49:16]

Ruleke:

hehe bad analogy

[11:49:50]

Ruleke:

because most NES emulators can actually run the games in antialiased modes etc :)

[11:49:53]

fredl:

hashbang, well maybe you and I both need to read up some on paravirtualization. I'm not sure I fully understand the implications yet....

[11:50:12]

fredl:

I don't think VMWare does paravirtualization right?

[11:50:15]

hashbang:

Ruleke: yes, but the games themselves don't know that's going on, and can't turn antialiasing on and off.

[11:50:29]

Ruleke:

paravirtualization just means you guest does not "see" the same machine as your host

[11:50:55]

fredl:

but does it see the hardware at it's hardware level I wonder..

[11:51:03]

fredl:

well it can't, I'd imagine...

[11:51:55]

hashbang:

Ruleke: and VT only helps with the *CPU* virtualization, AIUI.

[11:52:14]

Ruleke:

yeah

[11:52:36]

fredl:

hashbang, not *quite* though I believe. For Xen it possible to use a second graphics board inside the guest

[11:52:44]

Ruleke:

it cures the ugly traps vmware does to some instructions iiuc

[11:52:55]

hashbang:

Ruleke: exactly. :-)

[11:52:56]

Ruleke:

ah well

[11:53:38]

hashbang:

Ruleke: ugly though they are, the VMware guys were smart for figuring them out back in 1997 when everyone reckoned x86 wasn't virtualizable (efficiently, at least)

[11:54:10]

fredl:

since the system I'm thinking of buying already has an Intel GMA on-board, I could buy a 7950GT and have a Windows Guest OS use that card exclusively.

[11:54:17]

hashbang:

fredl: just reading the wiki page for Xen, says Windows can run unmodified on Xen 3.0, which suggests complete hardware passthru.

[11:54:42]

fredl:

hashbang, yeah that's the state of the art I think, it's coming together.

[11:55:27]

fredl:

are there TV sets that have like two DVI inputs? I guess so huh?

[11:56:16]

fredl:

I wonder how graphics intensive playing HDTV movies through the graphics board would be, any ideas?

[11:56:56]

LLyric:

Reasonably. nv6xxx or better, I guess

[11:57:10]

LLyric:

Plus 3Ghz-ish cpu

[11:57:19]

fredl:

Hmm, really, that much?

[11:57:35]

LLyric:

Yeah

[11:58:09]

Ruleke:

I keep wondering about that... I tried those hdtv h.264 demo things in windows and it was hardly using cpu at all...

[11:58:13]

LLyric:

guest? vmware?

[11:58:22]

fredl:

LLyric, thinking about Xen 3.0

[11:58:43]

LLyric:

Hmmmm, never used real virtualisation with xen, but I wouldn't expect it to be any good for hardcore graphics

[11:58:52]

Ruleke:

interesting idea, dunno if it would work, let us know :P

[11:59:08]

Ruleke:

also don't ask me how to make it work when it doesn't ;)

[11:59:18]

fredl:

LLyric, well according to the docs I'm reading, under Xen, the guest OS can be configured to use a GPU exclusively.

[11:59:24]

** LLyric shrugs **

[11:59:33]

GreyFoxx:

I'd be highly suprised if it the performance is good enough for HDTV, but good luck with that :P)

[11:59:36]

LLyric:

My server just runs "regular" xen guests

[11:59:39]

fredl:

so that suggests hardware passthrough.

[11:59:43]

LLyric:

Yeah, I agree with GreyFoxx

[11:59:51]

LLyric:

HD is pretty demanding

[12:00:08]

LLyric:

I wouldn't want to add any more overhead, for sure

[12:00:11]

fredl:

it'd make for an awesome setup though :P

[12:00:14]

GreyFoxx:

I've used a VMWARE session for sdtv before, but even that was pushing it

[12:00:35]

Ruleke:

In windows I tried with 7800GT and X2 3800+ and it was less than 50% cpu use iirc

[12:00:39]

LLyric:

vmware is pretty slow at that.

[12:00:54]

Ruleke:

this was to a 1920x1200 lcd

[12:01:06]

LLyric:

7800GT is somewhat faster than nv6600 (I think), and the windows drivers are undoutably better

[12:01:15]

GreyFoxx:

for me the killer was certainly the video output, so if you really can directly access the video card it might be doable

[12:01:22]

Ruleke:

I kept wondering what I did wrong to have the cpu use that low ;)

[12:01:33]

fredl:

well I'll check into that some more with the Xen people...

[12:01:43]

fredl:

Ruleke, LOL.

[12:02:17]

Ruleke:

LLyric: well I didn't see any h.264 'purevideo' stuff in the linux drivers, maybe I didn't look close enough, but I always supposed that was the reason

[12:02:20]

fredl:

well I could plug in an E6700 CPU in the shuttlebox...

[12:02:51]

fredl:

that'd ease some pain, but damn I'm looking into trying to make sure I can write it off as a business expense by then LOL

[12:02:59]

Ruleke:

if money is no object, why not build a seperate windows box ? :P

[12:03:12]

fredl:

well it is!

[12:03:42]

fredl:

well the Linux guests won't be using that much CPU/GPU I imagine.

[12:03:56]

Ruleke:

so now we are talking windows host ?

[12:04:21]

fredl:

Ruleke, no I don't think so, I don't believe Xen runs on a windows host but I may be wrong.

[12:04:46]

GreyFoxx:

out of curiousity, I missed why you are running this as avirtual at all

[12:04:50]

LLyric:

The 7800GT many times faster than a basic nv6600

[12:05:02]

fredl:

I'll try to spec out some things, and put it on my wiki after I've also had a talk with some of the Xen guys

[12:05:32]

GreyFoxx:

for general stuff, webserving and most services I could see virtualizing, but why something as hardware intensive (graphics, access to caputre cards etc) as myth ?

[12:05:32]

Ruleke:

LLyric: so do the linux drivers do "purevideo" then ?

[12:05:41]

LLyric:

nfi

[12:05:42]

GreyFoxx:

Ruleke: they do not

[12:05:50]

Ruleke:

that's what I thought

[12:05:53]

LLyric:

Eg: in HL2 the 7800gt gets 56fps, the 6600 gets 21fps (1280x1024, 32-bit, 4xAA)

[12:06:07]

Ruleke:

rendering speed doesn't apply really

[12:06:13]

fredl:

GreyFoxx, I'm running a Linux server for my business 24/7. I don't want to have two servers running 27/7 neccesarily. I want a media center to be on 24/7 as well though, so virtualization seems like a natural choice.

[12:06:38]

Ruleke:

if the code isn't there for the chip to accelerate the decoding, it will use the cpu

[12:06:47]

GreyFoxx:

fredl: why not just run it natively on your existing machine, I don't see the need for the seperation

[12:06:56]

rsdvd:

why do you need virtualization – just run myth on the 24/7 server

[12:06:58]

qu0zl:

i agree with GreyFoxx

[12:07:02]

LLyric:

Yeah

[12:07:08]

gardengnome:

because mythtv can be a security hole

[12:07:14]

LLyric:

My mythbox is also my fileserver, development server, nightly build machine, etc.

[12:07:24]

LLyric:

You don't expose it on the net, without protection, sheesh.

[12:07:38]

GreyFoxx:

gardengnome: that's what packet filtering is for :)

[12:07:41]

fredl:

GreyFoxx, well that's true, but I got into the Windows chat when I mentioned blue-ray.

[12:07:45]

juski:

don't talk to me about security holes!

[12:07:59]

Ruleke:

GreyFoxx: heh :)

[12:08:13]

qu0zl:

:( juski, i'd similar happen about 3 months ago with my server too. Fucking annoying alright

[12:08:14]

fredl:

GreyFoxx, I don't remember why :P

[12:08:21]

rsdvd:

if your current server is so important then running virtualisation is proabbaly not a good idea either – just leave it be and get a new server for myth

[12:08:23]

juski:

seriously considering chucking my toys out of the pram altogether

[12:08:52]

GreyFoxx:

juski: were you abnle to recover stuff, or figure out how the person got in ?

[12:08:56]

qu0zl:

juski, it's doubtful it was targeted specifically at you so i wouldn't get too offended. Just get a better server if ntl's is that bad

[12:08:58]

rsdvd:

juski : please don't – there are some of us that really appreciate yourt themes

[12:09:24]

fredl:

well my current server is not 'so important', it just runs 24/7 and needs to do what it's supposed to do. Won't hurt if sometimes it'll take a bit longer to do what it's doing.

[12:09:40]

juski:

well, put it this way – after friday I tightened up some stuff

[12:09:56]

Ruleke:

leave out the whole windows thing, you'll be glad for it :P

[12:10:01]

juski:

and the website was deleted when the windows box at home wasn't even powered on

[12:10:04]

rsdvd:

juski – you changed root password from 'root' :-)

[12:10:12]

GreyFoxx:

juski: ouch

[12:10:33]

juski:

and you can only log in to NTL's webspace servers from... NTL IP addresses

[12:10:53]

Ruleke:

unless you use an exploit in some server-side script :)

[12:11:09]

rsdvd:

so it is either another NTL/telewest user or someone who really knows what they are doing

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juski:

if it's someone who knows what they're doing – why my stuff?!

[12:11:34]

rsdvd:

juski : are you sure it was a hack – not just NTL being crap

[12:11:44]

GreyFoxx:

did the deletion come from your account according to their logs? Or did someone hack the ntl machine itself ?

[12:11:49]

juski:

what logs?

[12:12:11]

GreyFoxx:

oh wait, you saw traffic to russia on your local net didn't you, never mind

[12:12:43]

juski:

the deletions were all from my home IP address on friday

[12:12:54]

Ruleke:

I wish there was purevideo stuff for linux... I would buy me a Geforce6150 motherboard and be done with it

[12:12:55]

juski:

but today the box isn't even on

[12:13:03]

GreyFoxx:

wireless network ?

[12:13:06]

juski:

nope

[12:13:20]

Ruleke:

spoofedy spoof

[12:13:24]

GreyFoxx:

Ruleke: I've seen it talked about on the nvidia forums. Many people want it :)

[12:13:34]

rsdvd:

your wife – sick of all the time you spend here

[12:13:39]

qu0zl:

lol

[12:13:41]

juski:

just occurred to me that someone might be using a cloned cable modem

[12:13:48]

juski:

rsdvd: yeah, well I'm giving up

[12:13:58]

juski:

was in here for about half an hour yesterday

[12:14:11]

juski:

it's too er... soul-destroying

[12:14:28]

rsdvd:

wel lif you want – I will buy your S100s and save you the effort of listing them :-)

[12:14:49]

juski:

plus too tempting to yell at people, upset them & then they come after your work :(

[12:15:14]

gardengnome:

juski: are you gonna put your s100 up for sale on ebay?

[12:15:17]

fredl:

hmm blu-ray or hd-dvd...

[12:15:25]

juski:

reminds me I need to ask o_cee to withdraw my +v

[12:16:09]

juski:

gardengnome: gonna sell both of them

[12:16:42]

rsdvd:

gardengnome : i will fight you for them :-)

[12:17:09]

qu0zl:

woot, nerd fight! twenty quatloons on the new-comer

[12:17:18]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: i'm not interested in them anyways

[12:17:27]

rsdvd:

:-)

[12:17:39]

qu0zl:

lol he's using reverse psychology rsdvd

[12:17:53]

rsdvd:

lol.....first fight I ever won

[12:17:59]

qu0zl:

lol ;)

[12:18:06]

fredl:

Hmm, I think that blu-ray on my server is kind of out of my price range :P

[12:18:32]

qu0zl:

fredl, if you don't even have a HD source at the moment just stick a pvr500 in your server and enjoy the cheap/good sdtv mythtv box

[12:18:42]

qu0zl:

and save yourself 2 grand, which will buy you a way cooler machine when you do have HD

[12:18:54]

juski:

it'

[12:18:55]

fredl:

heh, true.

[12:18:57]

juski:

bah

[12:19:37]

juski:

it's a bit crap, all this website deletion business. I'm not putting anything back until I get some satisfaction from my ISP

[12:20:20]

rsdvd:

have you thought of moving the site to a more stable provider?

[12:20:28]

rsdvd:

NTL have always been rather crap

[12:20:32]

qu0zl:

juski, how much bandwidth do you use a month?

[12:20:47]

juski:

less than 1 hit a day

[12:20:58]

juski:

wonder if it's even worth putting it back

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rsdvd:

juski : don;t let the bas****s win

[12:21:28]

fredl:

1 hit a day?whoah and I thought I made impopular little tools :P

[12:21:36]

qu0zl:

i've got about 70gb a month transfer free on my linode, you're welcome to an account if you want another (or backup) host for them?

[12:21:44]

juski:

!trout fredl

[12:21:45]

** MythLogBot slaps fredl with a trout on behalf of juski... **

[12:21:52]

fredl:

haha

[12:21:56]

fredl:

just kidding :)

[12:22:39]

** fredl debates E6300 or E6400 **

[12:23:12]

fredl:

nah, E6300 will be good enough I guess.

[12:23:12]

daviey:

you could host a mirror on something like tuxfamily (free) and have alll your downloads from the mirror. Then you would use very little bandwith for the html

[12:23:16]

rsdvd:

they only win if you let them......just upload again, but to a better server

[12:23:40]

fredl:

heh I have unlimited bandwidth per month but nobody uses it :P

[12:24:54]

gardengnome:

juski: are you sure it's nost just NTL deleting the webpage itself?

[12:25:03]

juski:

why the hell would NTL do that?!

[12:25:06]

qu0zl:

lol wouldn't put it past them to be that dumb

[12:25:16]

daviey:

fredl, whats your site; lets see if we can test the 'unlimted' bandwidth ;)

[12:25:18]

gardengnome:

juski: they don't like your files or they think it's illegal.. dunno

[12:25:28]

juski:

they'd have contacted me aswell

[12:25:34]

daviey:

gardengnome, surely they would tell him

[12:25:39]

gardengnome:

juski: feel free to host your stuff on justin.mytwiki.de. the server is quite stable tusually ;)

[12:25:45]

juski:

anyway – somebody deleted the original work files from my windows box remember

[12:25:50]

fredl:

daviey, well I wrote this tool at http://usertracking.surfnet.nl

[12:26:01]

fredl:

good luck trying to assess SURFnet's bandwidth :P

[12:26:35]

daviey:

fredl, owwwww – unlimted but slow as "the hot place down under"

[12:26:51]

fredl:

daviey, as they're the provider of higher education institutes in the .nl

[12:27:12]

juski:

blocked port 80 now, so I've only my ssh port open

[12:27:26]

fredl:

daviey, the Netherlands is actually a pretty major internet hub ;-)

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qu0zl:

it's because it's so flat, data flows quicker if it doesn't have to go uphill

[12:27:49]

qu0zl:

so the netherlands are perfect

[12:28:04]

fredl:

except when the dikes break :P

[12:28:17]

daviey:

higher education = slow ; yeah makes sense :P

[12:28:36]

juski:

eh?

[12:28:47]

fredl:

daviey, I don't think you'd label Internet2 as being 'slow' either, would you?

[12:28:54]

juski:

being an internet hermit seems easier tbh

[12:29:59]

daviey:

juski, you won't become a lurker though; you can't hold your tongue. :P

[12:30:28]

juski:

true – which is why I'm cutting down on my activities here

[12:30:54]

fredl:

daviey, it actually doesn't so much matter how much bandwidth they have as it's more than one PC could handle anyway!

[12:32:13]

daviey:

juski, purely because somebody has been hacking you?

[12:32:13]

daviey:

216300 TB/s!!!

[12:32:16]

fredl:

cool, it would seem as if the dutch NICC (National Infrastructure CyberCrime) may have taken up some interest in my application.

[12:32:36]

** fredl grins at daviey **

[12:32:58]

daviey:

How long would it take you to fill your /recordings folder with that data transfer?

[12:33:25]

juski:

daviey: I decided to cut down on all my mythtv-related support guff before friday

[12:33:35]

fredl:

daviey, not bad huh? :)

[12:34:02]

daviey:

fredl, yeah – can i call you bigbrother ?

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** fredl puts on his mischievous slow-down-under face. **

[12:34:25]

fredl:

well it's not nearly all mine to take.

[12:34:32]

fredl:

if only that were true.

[12:35:33]

daviey:

fredl, but seriously – it's always nice to have state / national body interest in an application you have built! well done

[12:35:33]

daviey:

juski, whhat will you do with your time? you live here

[12:35:57]

tripppy:

128meg video card

[12:36:04]

juski:

daviey: I don't live here anymore

[12:36:06]

daviey:

Mind you, i came in here on June 2003 at 3am; and you were offline....

[12:36:23]

GreyFoxx:

tripppy: IT should be fine

[12:36:25]

juski:

it's been doing my fucking head in with all the retards asking stupid questions

[12:36:39]

juski:

you should see my ignore list

[12:36:46]

daviey:

tripppy, maybe worth considering an even lighter windows manager, such as ratpoision

[12:37:03]

daviey:

haha

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daviey:

juski, tell me about it. I've been helping in ubuntu support channel and you can only do it for so long before you have enough. I've been posting google seach urls ;)

[12:41:44]

Ruleke:

oook the MCP68 chipset looks even better... who do I murder for those linux drivers ? :)

[12:42:04]

juski:

another thing is that I've been pretty freaked out by how often my name crops up in google search results. it never used to be like this. I didn't want to be plastered all over the internet

[12:42:22]

juski:

too bloody late now though

[12:42:49]

juski:

I can't get lugradio to remove my name – etc :(

[12:43:31]

rsdvd:

juski : I just did a google n your name – and you get way more entries than me :-)

[12:44:02]

juski:

infamy sucks :(

[12:44:18]

rsdvd:

lol.....better to be famous than a no-body

[12:44:24]

juski:

nope

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daviey:

juski, google also returns your photo

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juski:

I should email somebody about that

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rsdvd:

daviey / juski : just spotted that – and you look rather drunk

[12:49:02]

juski:

as opposed to just being *pissed*

[12:49:06]

juski:

;)

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daviey:

as opposed to normal?!?!?

[12:49:27]

rsdvd:

:-)

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juski:

normal, as in permanently feeling pissed-off, or normal normal?

[12:49:55]

daviey:

hah

[12:50:04]

daviey:

how's the snowboarding these days?

[12:50:09]

** juski laughs **

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rsdvd:

juski : you need another 'dirty' weekend away

[12:50:33]

juski:

I need to get a life outside of mythtv

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daviey:

juski, google returned this photo when 'juski' was entered. http://www.feim.ee/gallery/25efd13a26da258082505c71882f97db.jpg

[12:51:01]

daviey:

you quite multi-althletic

[12:51:17]

juski:

:-|

[12:51:41]

juski:

not seeing the funny side of my real photo being indexed by google images

[12:52:06]

daviey:

i bet your not, especially when it links to a mythtv site

[12:52:22]

juski:

there'

[12:52:30]

juski:

there's only 1 way I can fix that

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fredl:

funny how there's always long waiting times on cancel-my-service lines, especially when it's pay-per-minute numbers

[12:53:37]

fredl:

UPC... sigh

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juski:

jees I can't even delete that photo

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daviey:

mythtvtalk doesn't have a remove or replace button?

[13:00:04]

juski:

don't think soi

[13:00:31]

juski:

anyway I can't log in directly since I banned my home & work IP addresses before resigning

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hardnova:

how do i add divx codecs to xine ?

[13:27:24]

** Beirdo checks... no, not #xine :) **

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Beirdo:

that looks like a google search item to me

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daviey:

no, http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=ad . . . decs+to+xine looks like a google search to me

[13:49:35]

hardnova:

myth got anything to burn a dvd ?

[13:49:52]

Ruleke:

mytharchive

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hardnova:

arrr ok cool thanks

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hardnova:

is it any good ?

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daviey:

'great when it works

[14:01:39]

daviey:

mine is currently borked

[14:01:48]

daviey:

but when it does work, it's awesom

[14:01:50]

daviey:

e

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kslater:

need to poll the experts – have you ever seen a single power recording schedule provoke 3 simultaneous recordings?

[14:12:51]

hardnova:

oh man thats crazy yum extender just uninstalled 90% of my system

[14:15:31]

hardnova:

that is seriously screwed !

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Milosch:

s/yum/yuck/

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GreyFoxx:

Packing systems, here to make your life easier :)

[14:23:16]

GreyFoxx:

s/Packing/PackAGing/

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Ruleke:

hurrah for apt

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** GreyFoxx pees on all packages **

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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gardengnome:

mkdir /libbinoptusr <- just install everything in that directory

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sebrock:

yo

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kslater:

packaging systems are great when they do what you want. Makes your life easy. but when they go south, look out.

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sebrock:

I have a question about wol here... is it possible to do with a wireless interface?

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daviey:

no

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sebrock:

thats what I guessed, too bad

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daviey:

juski, you still here?

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juski:

ok then I'll fack orf

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daviey:

owww you git!

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gardengnome:

it's prolly some zombie IRC client

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gardengnome:

the night of the chattering dead

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -v juski

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juski:

actually gardengnome – when you get a sec could you delete my pic from the forum gallery?

[14:53:24]

gardengnome:

yep

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gardengnome:

juski: i'm "not authorized". you'll have to ask coume

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juski:

ok thought as much thanks

[14:56:26]

gardengnome:

juski: you wouldn't be interested in doing a mythtv usplash theme for ubunut?

[14:57:07]

juski:

you're right. I wouldn't

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gardengnome:

thought as much :)

[15:02:37]

GreyFoxx:

gardengnome: Do you ever use the internal recording transcoding ?

[15:03:01]

gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: i use lossless transcoding.

[15:03:43]

gardengnome:

so, yes. :)

[15:03:57]

GreyFoxx:

ok, I've used that one , I was just looking to try transcoding a bunch of the shows here in the office and I've never messed with any of the settings when converting to mpeg4 :)

[15:04:34]

gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: there's not many settings. i never used it much, though. i really don't like nuppelvideo because it's not well-supported elsewhere.

[15:04:57]

gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: there's some checkboxes supposed to improve picture quality. two of them are broken. for details, search the -commits ML

[15:05:03]

GreyFoxx:

these are for use on the mythbox only, mostly just looking to save them space. They have almost filled the TB that's on the machine :)

[15:05:22]

gardengnome:

auto expire helps a lot, too ;)

[15:05:27]

GreyFoxx:

at the moment I don't care about commercials either

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GreyFoxx:

I'll implement that eventually, but this is also and chance for me to try out the transcoding settings

[15:06:26]

gardengnome:

implement what? automagic removal of commercials?

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GreyFoxx:

auto expire, at the moments it's off on that5 machine

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gardengnome:

ah

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benlake:

GreyFoxx: when you have a moment, I have never had the myth transcoder working on the couple myth boxes I've setup and I don't find much by way of how to troubleshoot why that daemon isn't running. Ideas?

[15:17:33]

hardnova:

where does the mysql database for myth live ( as in the file database ) ?

[15:18:16]

GreyFoxx:

the list of recordings and the associated file names ?

[15:18:20]

GreyFoxx:

"recorded"

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hardnova:

ok i think ive found it -> /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg/

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GreyFoxx:

oh, the mysql data files

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juski:

err you shouldn't really need to know where they live

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hardnova:

i do need to know

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hardnova:

juski but thanks all the same

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daviey:

hardnova, you shouldn't be manipulating these files though – you should be using mysql to do stuff.

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juski:

yup

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juski:

or doing backups

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juski:

use mysql to do all that

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juski:

just asking for bother if you don't

[15:28:33]

Zider:

any gentoo+mythtv user here today?

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anykey_:

here

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juski:

me, next week

[15:29:16]

Zider:

anykey_: do you feel like testing an ebuild for mythstream?

[15:29:40]

anykey_:

Zider: no sorry, my box' rootfs is in a squashfs, don't feel like recompressing that ;-)

[15:29:47]

Zider:

ahh

[15:29:47]

anykey_:

Zider: did you open a bug?

[15:29:48]

Zider:

:)

[15:30:00]

Zider:

anykey_: open a bug..=

[15:30:01]

Zider:

?

[15:30:11]

anykey_:

Zider: bugs.gentoo.org, there you can attach the ebuild

[15:30:29]

anykey_:

Zider: wait... is mythstream an application that runs on the backend? Then I could have a look

[15:30:43]

Zider:

anykey_: it's an unofficial plugin for the frontend

[15:31:08]

Zider:

anykey_: and I'd like the ebuild to be tested in at least one other system than mine before submitting it anywhere :)

[15:31:16]

anykey_:

Ah, I always have a problem with mythstreamtv vs mythstream I think

[15:31:34]

** juski blames whoever named their plugin after the first one **

[15:31:44]

anykey_:

Zider: if you only want to know if it's compiling, then I can do it

[15:32:19]

Zider:

anykey_: it compiles, installs and patches three files to make it show up in the menu.. I just wanna see if it does that properly.. :)

[15:32:35]

anykey_:

hm is it online somewhere?

[15:32:44]

juski:

gah I wish my left eyelid would stop spazzing out

[15:33:00]

Zider:

anykey_: www.zider.se/mythstream-0.17-r2.ebuild

[15:33:07]

anykey_:

juski: I have that problem too, nice when driving a car =)

[15:33:17]

Zider:

anykey_: it's my first ebuild, so be gentle ;)

[15:33:33]

anykey_:

ok, give me asec

[15:33:49]

Zider:

k

[15:34:10]

Zider:

oh damn, I forgot you need the patchfiles too

[15:34:33]

Zider:

I haven't figured out how to get the ebuild to download them yet :P

[15:34:34]

anykey_:

Zider: it didn't complain about not being able to fetch them...

[15:34:37]

anykey_:

ah =)

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gardengnome:

anykey_: any luck with mascom?

[15:35:10]

Zider:

I'll fire up the mediacenter and getch them for you

[15:35:46]

anykey_:

gardengnome: I don't have any answer yet

[15:36:12]

gardengnome:

anykey_: they're probably on vacation due to the recent outbreak of mad cow's...

[15:36:36]

anykey_:

gardengnome: just a litte side question: Can I use multiple DVB-C cards with just one CI?

[15:36:44]

gardengnome:

anykey_: AFAIK not

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Zider:

anykey_: btw, do you know how to put several patchfiles into one?

[15:36:49]

anykey_:

:/

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anykey_:

Zider: erm, I just use diff -u and two directorys...

[15:37:44]

Zider:

mkay

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Zider:

anykey_: www.zider.se/blue-theme.xml.patch library.xml.patch and media_settings.xml.patch

[15:38:32]

Zider:

anykey_: put them in the files dir in the overlay, guess you know how to use that stuff?

[15:38:52]

anykey_:

yes

[15:40:56]

anykey_:

Zider: doesn't it have any dependencys?

[15:41:04]

Zider:

anykey_: only mythtv

[15:41:19]

Zider:

which in turn has dependencies

[15:41:21]

anykey_:

Zider: ok

[15:41:29]

anykey_:

Zider: well

[15:41:38]

anykey_:

Zider: acutally it seems to have dependencys..

[15:41:43]

anykey_:

Zider: ../libs/fft.h:35:18: error: fftw.h: No such file or directory

[15:41:50]

Zider:

hmm

[15:42:12]

anykey_:

you have to depend on >fftw-2.0 I think

[15:42:16]

Ruleke:

Currently I have one xmltv grabber and one EIT source, serving the same channels

[15:43:05]

juski:

erm... you can't do that AFAIK

[15:43:05]

Zider:

anykey_: ah, must've missed that because I already have the dependencies installed.. :/

[15:43:19]

Ruleke:

I can :)

[15:43:42]

juski:

Ruleke: no, I mean you can't get the analogue card to use the EIT data

[15:43:46]

Ruleke:

oh

[15:43:49]

Ruleke:

that's a bummer

[15:43:55]

anykey_:

Zider: Just let me know as soon as you uploaded the new ebuild

[15:44:07]

Ruleke:

because I can't find a decent way to integrate the xmltv data with the EIT data...

[15:44:10]

juski:

hmmm or can you?

[15:44:16]

Ruleke:

well

[15:44:27]

Ruleke:

I could merge the channels to be a single db entry...

[15:44:29]

** benlake thinks GreyFoxx didn't like his question **

[15:44:34]

juski:

maybe if you just try it,

[15:44:48]

gardengnome:

juski: someone posted an... interesting hack on the forums that'll let you use EIT data for other video sources

[15:45:08]

juski:

somebody posted something USEFUL on the forums?!?!?!?!

[15:45:14]

juski:

stop press!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[15:45:38]

gardengnome:

juski: told ya the german section wasn't that bad.

[15:45:41]

Ruleke:

gardengnome: ooooo ... where ? :)

[15:45:48]

gardengnome:

juski: du hast die falsche sprache gelernt! :)

[15:45:52]

juski:

ah.

[15:46:07]

juski:

wasn't gonna be the leech section... Eeengleech

[15:46:28]

Ruleke:

I think I might just be able to add analog frequency data to the channels and work like that :P

[15:46:56]

GreyFoxx:

benlake: No, I'm just busy dealing with my own stuff :)

[15:47:06]

Ruleke:

what I do right now is just use the same channame... that way the EIT data shows up in mythweb etc...

[15:47:16]

gardengnome:

16:10 < daviey> my haupgae remote works with arrows and select prior to config

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daviey:

tell tell tit

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daviey:

tell tale, that should be

[15:49:00]

Ruleke:

gardengnome: you have a reference for that forum entry ?

[15:50:08]

Ruleke:

I fear my search skillz for other languages might be lacking :P

[15:50:08]

juski:

Ruleke: Suchen!

[15:50:39]

daviey:

gardengnome, you could have at least corrected my spelling; stop me looking more of a tit

[15:50:45]

Ruleke:

I can speak german, I just don't use it on the intarweb ;)

[15:51:09]

Ruleke:

daviey: hush you haupgae

[15:51:11]

daviey:

I can seak Nein languages

[15:51:20]

Ruleke:

lol

[15:51:34]

Ruleke:

just not write em eh

[15:51:42]

qu0zl:

groan daviey, that was bad

[15:51:50]

gardengnome:

Ruleke: heh. i found that thread. unfortunately, the author got pissed and removed his posting. :/

[15:51:51]

daviey:

sorry

[15:52:04]

Ruleke:

gardengnome: ach! mein leben !

[15:52:13]

benlake:

GreyFoxx: oh well fine then :)

[15:52:14]

Ruleke:

I love Wolfenstein3D :)

[15:52:35]

benlake:

GreyFoxx: this is going to put a strain on our relationship, work always coming first!

[15:52:35]

gardengnome:

Ruleke: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2416 i doubt it'll still apply cleanly ;)

[15:52:55]

Ruleke:

just need the rationale behind it I guess

[15:53:09]

gardengnome:

there's an option for cross-source EIT somewhere in mythtv-setup. dunno what it does.

[15:53:18]

daviey:

OT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9xbvajZFrs

[15:54:01]

gardengnome:

Ruleke: he did some weird stuff to the DB

[15:54:05]

Ruleke:

gardengnome: hmm yes, I remember something like that... let's see

[15:54:24]

Ruleke:

gardengnome: that's what I was planning, but more like stuarta mentioned

[15:54:35]

Ruleke:

err danielk

[15:54:39]

Ruleke:

:P

[15:54:47]

gardengnome:

Ruleke: the guy's name on mythtvtalk is "steven@mythtv". try a PM

[15:55:00]

Ruleke:

mythtvtalk ?

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gardengnome:

www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/

[15:55:13]

Ruleke:

oh

[15:55:23]

Ruleke:

nah I'm not interested in DB hackery tbh

[15:55:28]

gardengnome:

ah, ok

[15:55:36]

Ruleke:

think I'd rather just hack on the channel entries

[15:56:04]

Ruleke:

then I suppose I could link the same "source" to the analog adapter

[15:56:16]

Ruleke:

as long as it has the freqid etc it should be fine

[15:56:44]

juski:

hmmm channel mixometosis... not a great idea

[15:56:56]

Ruleke:

well if there is no other way...

[15:57:21]

Ruleke:

the thing I have now is that two sources are "competing" for the same channels in my mythweb etc

[15:57:34]

Ruleke:

to make things worse, it seems that the lowest id loses.

[15:57:57]

Ruleke:

so now the xmltv source has not updated in weeks and it's all empty

[15:58:21]

Ruleke:

but existing schedules still operate correctly on the EIT data (and only on the DVB device obviously)

[15:58:29]

Zider:

anykey_: try it now

[15:58:33]

Ruleke:

makes little sense to me tbh...

[15:58:38]

anykey_:

Zider: can you give me the url again?

[15:58:43]

Ruleke:

why wouldn't it show the EIT data for the same channame

[15:58:58]

Zider:

anykey_: www.zider.se/mythstream-0.17-r2.ebuild

[15:59:02]

anykey_:

thansk

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** Ruleke finds the Cross source EIT checkbox and can't read the help text because it doesn't fit in the comment 'box'... agh **

[16:01:23]

Ruleke:

"listing data will be applied to the first matching dvb channel on any Video Source"

[16:01:43]

Ruleke:

so it sounds good if I then just edit the analog Video Source channels to have the same dvb info

[16:01:48]

Zider:

anykey_: how's it working?

[16:02:00]

anykey_:

Zider: it's compiling

[16:02:13]

Zider:

ah :)

[16:02:26]

Zider:

anykey_: did you have libxml2 already?

[16:02:35]

anykey_:

Zider: I don't know...

[16:03:09]

Zider:

if it wasn't listed as a dependency it would install, then you had it already ;)

[16:06:33]

daviey:

I think i'm right in saying that mythdvd is just a rapper for ffmpeg.

[16:06:41]

daviey:

wrapper

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nasa:

hmmm.....

[16:07:15]

daviey:

so it might be more effort than it is worth to make it work like that, but you could use another tool to re-encode it

[16:07:27]

daviey:

what do you want to encode it as?

[16:08:14]

nasa:

xvid with ac3 support

[16:08:28]

daviey:

and it is currently?

[16:08:44]

daviey:

VIDEO_TS/xxx

[16:08:46]

daviey:

?

[16:08:50]

nasa:

yes

[16:09:05]

nasa:

straight vob files in the VIDEO_TS folders...

[16:10:16]

nasa:

I'm trying dvd:rip — but it doesn't seem to be coping the ac3 parts (and it's really slow)

[16:10:23]

daviey:

i suppose you could try changing the dvd settings, and telling it the dvd drive /location/of/video_ts/

[16:11:22]

nasa:

maybe a stupid question.... Can you cat the applicable vob files together?

[16:11:36]

daviey:

'transcode' is quite fast as is ffmpeg

[16:11:56]

Zider:

anykey_: still compiling?

[16:12:03]

daviey:

not sure...... i know you can with some containers

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nasa:

I know how to transcode single vob files, but not 5 vob files for 1 film

[16:12:53]

Ruleke:

I don't suppose janne is in here ? :)

[16:19:51]

juski:

ddatte

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juski:

oops

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hardnova:

what distro'ss are people using ?

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juski:

er.. what difference does that make? ;)

[16:21:23]

juski:

I'm on ubunut at the mo, but one more strike & it's out!

[16:21:39]

hardnova:

juski , its just interesting to know what people are using

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GreyFoxx:

hardnova: Slackware here

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hardnova:

how is slackware going I havent installed that in a long time was thinking of getting that just a few mins a go

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GreyFoxx:

I'm not sure what you mean by that :)

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hardnova:

GreyFoxx how is the Slackware setup going ?

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juski:

presumably just going & going & going...

[16:24:03]

GreyFoxx:

pretty much :)

[16:24:10]

GreyFoxx:

It just works :)

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juski:

unlike my piss-poor ubunut install, which keeps stopping & stopping & stopping :(

[16:24:22]

hardnova:

what version ?

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GreyFoxx:

I run slackware on everything

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GreyFoxx:

hardnova: my frontends/backends are 10.1 and 10.2. My office mythsetup is 11.0

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hardnova:

so was slack easy to setup myth on ?

[16:27:39]

juski:

slack is dead easy :)

[16:27:46]

juski:

all you need is a clue

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daviey:

hardnova, ubuntu here on seperate back and frontends – been quite robust, except mytharchive that i borked

[16:28:19]

juski:

daviey: what'd you call 'quite robust' ? having the worst uptime I've ever had on linux, with ubunut

[16:28:20]

daviey:

juski, slack easyier than ubuntu?

[16:28:35]

daviey:

juski, whats causing it? any idea?

[16:28:45]

juski:

installing slack is harder than installing ubunut, but I wouldn't say mythtv is harder on slack

[16:29:19]

juski:

daviey: the backend just *stopping* randomly? no idea.

[16:29:32]

daviey:

is slack still compile from source only?

[16:29:58]

daviey:

juski, i suppose you have checked the logs? Didn't say anything?

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juski:

yeah but on ubunut I built from source anyway since I didn't yet know about the mysql bollock-ness in the packages

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hardnova:

daviey i thought slack had a seperate source set

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juski:

duh! of course I checked the log – nothing like "eek! serious borkage, going daaaahn!"

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hardnova:

daviey i havent used slack since 7.0 back in 2000

[16:31:06]

daviey:

juski, the mysql stuff – it's if you run mythtv-config from a non mythtv user.

[16:31:28]

juski:

it'd need to be run under gdb, but for a failure that might happen every fortnight I'm still unlikely to spot it

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GreyFoxx:

hardnova: Slackware is very easy if you know it :)

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juski:

daviey: don't believe that for one second

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hardnova:

but im thinking of picking up slack again , other distro's are bugging me

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daviey:

hardnova, me 2 actually – it was my first distro i tried. Took me a day to release it was more than just the console i installed. Didn't know about the 'startx' command

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hardnova:

yea i used slackware from 1.3 – 7.1

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juski:

my mind is made up about ubunut now anyway

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hardnova:

was running ISP on slackware for many years rock solid

[16:32:32]

juski:

awesomeOS :((

[16:33:18]

daviey:

juski, yeah – it's because /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt which has the password is owned by mythtv:mythtv , if your not them, then a seperate /home/$user/.mythtv/mysql.txt gets created

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juski:

too late – my mind's been made up

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juski:

plus it's hardly been reliable enough in service since I switched from gentoo

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hardnova:

is there a dvd image of slackware 11.0 ?

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juski:

if I wanted to have to restart the backend process every other week I'd just use MCE

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GreyFoxx:

hardnova: I don't know. I subcribe to it and get my disks in the mail

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juski:

hardnova: there are torrents of the dvd isos

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hardnova:

greyfoxx now there is a plan

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daviey:

I mean, at the end of the day – it's all variants of the same kernel

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hardnova:

juski thanks good idea

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GreyFoxx:

I use it so much I have to support it :)

[16:35:41]

daviey:

it's only the packages and community that seperate them

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hardnova:

whats that cost GreyFoxx ?

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GreyFoxx:

~$30 CDN every release which is once or twice a year

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GreyFoxx:

there is info on slackware.com I believe

[16:38:05]

daviey:

Do you remember a few years ago they jumped some versions to "keep up with other distro's"

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GreyFoxx:

went from 4.1 ot 4.0 to 7

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hardnova:

what kernel is slackware 11 on ?

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juski:

I thought one of the things with slack was that they don't keep up with the Jones' just for the sake of it

[16:39:19]

GreyFoxx:

Cause idiots assumed that the version of the distro meant it was "newer" than the other distro

[16:39:40]

GreyFoxx:

"I run linux 6, how come you are still runninglinux 4" ?

[16:39:45]

GreyFoxx:

real stupid stuff

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juski:

i.e. it's not a faddish, trendy distro :)

[16:39:55]

hardnova:

2.4.33 gees

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snerfu:

I started off on slackware 3, from one of those unleashed books.

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daviey:

Yeah, but does slack really want them users?

[16:40:18]

juski:

I wouldn't pee on foppish trendies if they were on fire

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snerfu:

i'm getting old.

[16:40:33]

hardnova:

i am old

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GreyFoxx:

hardnova: It defaults to 2.4.33, which is faster and more stable. But it also has 2.6.x and you can compile any version you like

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daviey:

juski, i suppose you have seen the PC/Mac/Linux advert/spoof?

[16:40:56]

juski:

"does your distro let you bend videos around a cube? No?!"

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GreyFoxx:

heh

[16:41:39]

daviey:

well jjuski, my distro allows you to bend video around a shape with any number of faces. :P

[16:42:13]

daviey:

release candidate, ie beta

[16:42:27]

daviey:

but considered fairly sable

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daviey:

stable

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hardnova:

oh ok dont want them then

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daviey:

does slackware have daily build iso's? LMAO; why would you want them!?!?

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juski:

why would you want ubunut?! ;)

[16:44:03]

juski:

horses for courses innit

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daviey:

or it's variant; YuppieBuntu ;)

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hardnova:

there should be a mythOS just for PVR :P

[16:48:47]

juski:

there is already

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juski:

knoppmyth

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juski:

and mythdora

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juski:

and another

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juski:

and another

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juski:

variety is the spice of linux – as much a bad thing as it is good

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hardnova:

i tried knoppmyth an it was rather painfull

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hardnova:

i do like DSL that is quite cool for its size i have that on a usb thumb drive :)

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juski:

I'm not a big fan of anything knoppix based tbh

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jams:

i agree

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jams:

btw that advanced X screen has turned out to be an even larger pita then I thought it would be

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daviey:

i don't really like knoppix – but knoppmyth is *very* good at what it does

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Dr_willis:

Yep – i use Knoppmyth

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Dr_willis:

Knoppix saved my backside on several occasions.. now i keep a collection of live cd's in my PC-tool-box

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mtnbkr:

Dr_willis: system rescue CD is also a "must have" (tm) http://www.sysresccd.org

[17:00:42]

Dr_willis:

got that one also.

[17:01:04]

Dr_willis:

saved a guys Vacation Pics off his trashed XP system.. and earned $20 once.

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daviey:

gparted wouldn't hurt

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daviey:

anyway, i'm going home – i really feel i earn't my wages today :P

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qu0zl:

512mb for a frontend/backend sdtv system, but it doesn't need that much

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juski:

needs at least 256MB IMHO – 512MB to be comfortable

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qu0zl:

i'm using ubuntu edgy and theres 230 megs of that 512 being used to cache the filesystem as it's totally unused

[17:05:13]

qu0zl:

it's almost as cheap to get 512 as 256 now though

[17:05:44]

hardnova:

yea well i build PC's here so its not a big deal to me

[17:06:04]

qu0zl:

hardnova type 'free' on your fc6 box and see how much is says is 'cached'

[17:06:15]

qu0zl:

you shouldn't count that in memory usage. it may not be as tight as you think

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hardnova:

yqu0zl yes have done that

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hardnova:

i am really not happy with the speed in fc6 i dont know what the hell is slowing it down but its dog slow in changing menu options

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qu0zl:

dunno but if memory is tight you're not running a full gnome stack are you?

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qu0zl:

if you are swap it for just X and a lightweight WM like ratpoison or whatever

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hardnova:

narr i have chopped out almost everything and running a fluxbox manager frontend

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** qu0zl is out of obvious ideas :) **

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hardnova:

i dont know maybe this athalon 64 3200 just isnt enough for x86_64 maybe i should install the 32bit version

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jams:

maybe you need to press the "turbo" button

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hardnova:

lol

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hardnova:

funny

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qu0zl:

careful jams, the 'turbo' button used to underclock the cpu

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gardengnome:

if it was deactivated, yes ;)

[17:11:01]

qu0zl:

nope, turning on turbo underclocked it

[17:11:03]

qu0zl:

despite the name

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jams:

eh mine worked correctly

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gardengnome:

my 486 box even had a display. it showed either 33 or 66 mhz.

[17:11:58]

quicksilver:

that depends who wired up your case, and on your motherboard

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qu0zl:

google "turbo button on 386"

[17:12:35]

qu0zl:

top 4 links all say it slows down the pc not speeds it up

[17:12:39]

qu0zl:

i haven't gone any further ;)

[17:14:23]

hardnova:

where do i turn off the fade in crap ?

[17:15:32]

GreyFoxx:

hardnova: change the painter from OpenGL to QT

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anykey_:

Zider: Sorry, I was away

[17:16:35]

anykey_:

Zider: It still can't find fftw

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hardnova:

what is QT ?

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qu0zl:

a graphical toolkit, the one used for KDE

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anykey_:

hardnova: a GUI Toolkit from trolltech

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hardnova:

ok

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jetsaredim:

how do I figure out what type of ir receiver I have?

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hjohnson:

ok..

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** hjohnson is confused by mythtv-setup... all I get when I run it is a grey screen and a cartoon wrench/can opener.. **

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hjohnson:

I don't get any of the nice big buttons for settin gup tuner cards and whatnot.

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Zider:

anykey_: hmm, strange..

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qu0zl:

jetsaredim, where did you get it from? what's it's make or brand name? Put those into google.

[17:33:12]

jetsaredim:

qu0zl: I'm thinking there is on in my notebook

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hardnova:

jetsaredim take a photo and post it on flickr :P

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qu0zl:

ahh from what i hear you won't have any luck with those if it's a proper irda transceiver (right term?)

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jetsaredim:

how would I normally probe for the device?

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hjohnson:

it's really really wierd.. y try to run mythtv-setup, and the graphics are all funky...

[17:37:18]

qu0zl:

it doesn't sound like there's a lirc driver at all, you'll probably need to buy a IR receiver

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jetsaredim:

qu0zl: its not usb – it doesn't show up

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jetsaredim:

in lsusb

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hjohnson:

grumble.. why can't mythtv just use text based config files like the rest of the unix world..

[17:46:20]

quicksilver:

because it's client-server, essentially

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quicksilver:

once you've moved some of your config into a relational database you might as well go the whole hog, too

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hjohnson:

quicksilver: except when the bloody config program is broken.

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** hjohnson grumps **

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hjohnson:

naw, I'm just not sure why mythtv-setup isn't actually displaying any options for me to choose.

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hjohnson:

I can get it into the basic setup, but all I see is a grey screen that has some graphics on it and a cartoon can-opener on it..

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hjohnson:

I don't see any of the buttons that are supposed to let me setup tuners or anything like that..

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hardnova:

no lcdproc for FC6 ?

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hjohnson:

this'd all just be easier if I could edit the config files with my editor of choice.

[17:49:10]

hjohnson:

(don't mind me, this is also some residual grumpyness over my mysql database going to pot yesterday)

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jams:

hjohnson- try using the QT painte(if your not already)

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hjohnson:

painte?

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hjohnson:

i'm trying to run this thing under xvnc on debian, the thing is a headless computer that has a 1MB PCi video card in it and no X11

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GreyFoxx:

hjohnson: Fonts missing or something similar

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hjohnson:

hmm.

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hjohnson:

doesn't throw any errors that I can see on the command-line

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hjohnson:

anyhow, i'll have to deal with this when I get home from work.

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hjohnson:

damnit.. I ran my wallet through th ewashing machine accidentally.. complete with all the receipts form my last buisness trip.

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hardnova:

there is no lcdproc for fedora that sucks

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hardnova:

i think i need a good spanking

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hardnova:

has there been a nuclier war yet ?

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gardengnome:

wtf

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hardnova:

well you all went quiet

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hardnova:

is myth getting the sat pictures from a different source now ?

[18:16:24]

hardnova:

gees is it sleeping time on the other side of the globe ?

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hardnova:

wow

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GreyFoxx:

hahah cool, hacked the firmware on my wifi voip phone so I can telnet into it heh

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** GreyFoxx wonders if he can build an openvpn client on here **

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hardnova:

that is very cool

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, now that I have the tool chain I'm gonna see if this thing will run openvpn well enough to encrypt the calls to the asterisk box

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Capkirk_:

hello having installed knoppmythtv and everything seems to run ok ive placed a xvid file in /myth/video and updated metadata through IMDB when i want to watch it nothing happen it just say loading... and returns to file browser window? what could be wrong?

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KaZeR:

brb

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GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: run mythfrontend from an xterm, and see what it outputs

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GreyFoxx:

err capk:

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Capkirk_:

sec

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Capkirk_:

could it be this -> 2007-02–19 10:35:40.256 Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)

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Capkirk_:

?

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Capkirk_:

this is the last 2 lines in the log i created will i tried to play file

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Capkirk_:

2007-02–19 10:35:40.260 Using protocol version 31

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Capkirk_:

Destroying SipFsm object

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Capkirk_:

its strange cause i can play the file back from dvd

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GreyFoxx:

those lines have nothing to do with it

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GreyFoxx:

so, you start mythfrontend in an xterm, go into mythvideo, tell it to play the video and nothing is echod to the xterm about why it failed ?

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Capkirk_:

it says there is no Xvideo support for my video card which is strange cause the mplayer uses -vo xv when i play the file back from dvd ?

[18:44:42]

Capkirk_:

damn

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Capkirk_:

gotta eat

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Capkirk_:

laters

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Capkirk_:

if you have an idea please post here ill log it :)

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Capkirk_:

thanks

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gilroy:

wasnt compiled with xv support?

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rsdvd:

Hi – has anyone any experience with this M200-LCD case (http://linitx.com/product_info.php?cPath=8_16 . . . cts_id=1227)

[18:45:45]

rsdvd:

I was wondering if anyone has got the LCD working under myth?

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hardnova:

if i want to get a csv package

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hardnova:

hi rsdvd

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hardnova:

rsdvd silverstone ?

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hardnova:

rsdvd what case ?

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hardnova:

many cases have the imon vfd in them so its simple

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rsdvd:

mini-box M200-LCD (http://linitx.com/product_info.php?cPath=8_16 . . . cts_id=1227)

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rsdvd:

the lcd is called miniLCD USB HIB

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hardnova:

yea i dont know about that one , all mine are vacume fluroesent

[19:02:38]

rsdvd:

yeah – I have never seen it mentioned anywhere – andI cannot find out much about it's compatability – so I thogh t I woudl see if anyone was using it........looks nice though

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dev__:

wow, im offline a week and some dude got an oper to jack my nick from nickserv lol

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dev__:

thats fucked up!

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kormoc:

dev__, talk to an op, it's one month usually

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dev__:

yeah im trying to find one but all the stats and trace commands are denied heh

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hardnova:

anyone translate german

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stuarta:

hello boys, girls & pumpkins

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kormoc:

hardnova, babelfish

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benlake:

finally someone addresses the pumpkins!

[19:11:43]

benlake:

they are always left out

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stuarta:

i sometimes feel like a mushroom

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hardnova:

:( im missing something

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hardnova:

Could not open driver module server/drivers/curses.so: server/drivers/curses.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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kormoc:

don't eat so many special shrooms then :P

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benlake:

the need to personify vegetables, hardnova

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stuarta:

kormoc: nah, i'm kept in the dark and fed bullshit

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benlake:

hahaha

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hardnova:

vegetables?

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benlake:

well said

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benlake:

are you seriously asking what vegetables are? :P

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** stuarta suspects he got off the wrong side of the train on the way home **

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benlake:

train?

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benlake:

:P

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kormoc:

No speaka englisha

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stuarta:

dammit. my fixups are broken :(

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benlake:

kay?

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stuarta:

i'm missing "Rise of the Machines" from the title of T3

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hardnova:

buggar this compile is just not happy

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hardnova:

well it compiles fine just breaks when you try and run it

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Milosch:

xris: are you the only one working on mythtweb?

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xris:

officially, yes. but lots of people submit patches, and kormoc is rewriting the video section

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hardnova:

mythweb is great

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hardnova:

one of the most usefull parts of myth i think

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Milosch:

ok, i may be able to help if needed, been working with php since 2000

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hardnova:

BINGO ! LCD now working yay !

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xris:

Milosch: at the moment, it's more a matter of waiting on features from the backend..

[19:36:52]

xris:

(and need of a flash developer_

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hardnova:

except some bastard has changed LCDd syntax

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visit0r:

xris: what kind of feature? transcode on the fly?

[19:37:54]

Anonycat:

Have there been any plans for a mode of MythTV in which rewinding and fast-forwarding are disabled, but there's no 2-second delay and you can still record?

[19:39:44]

harzi:

hm, i can bring my xbox running on xebian talking protocol 30 to the mythbackend, unfortunate the backend is running debian-etch and wants at least protocol31. what shall i do?

[19:40:50]

GreyFoxx:

harzi: update/downgrade one of them :)

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xris:

visit0r: yes. and maintaining cached versions of the files on the backend (captain murdoch already has some of that).

[19:41:32]

xris:

visit0r: also looking for someone to implement my "multiple favorites groups" feature, but that's minor.

[19:41:33]

visit0r:

xris: ok, sounds good. i've been thinking about this kind of feature for streaming to lower-end devices like the nokia handhelds...

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kormoc:

Milosch, feel free to submit patches via tickets in trac, that's the current way to submit code

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xris:

Anonycat: it'll never happen

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visit0r:

xris: hopefully, it includes possibility to transcode to multiple formats easily...

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xris:

can't, actually, not if you want to be able to record.

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xris:

visit0r: yup

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gardengnome:

OT: does anyone know of a good, free windows text editor that'll work with unix-ish text files? it's not completely OT because i want to look at a DVB driver ;)

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harzi:

GreyFoxx: how to downgrade a debian etch to sarge? and the xbox i probably can't upgrade to etch, due to nonworking xorg-driver for xbox

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Anonycat:

gardengnome: Notepad++

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gardengnome:

Anonycat: thanks.

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visit0r:

xris: is the work in some branch already?

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GreyFoxx:

harzi: I don't know about packages on either of those. I personally always compile from source

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Anonycat:

I know the capability of recording live, delay-free input exists, but I just need something to do that in Linux

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GreyFoxx:

If you require a package you can always ask the package maintainer for the xbox package

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harzi:

GreyFoxx: hm, ok...

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xris:

visit0r: I don't think so

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kormoc:

Anonycat, it only could happen on framegrabber cards, and then it's a mix between lag free or recording

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GreyFoxx:

Anonycat: What kind of capture card ?

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Anonycat:

ATi TV Wonder 500

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xris:

Anonycat: it takes time to encode. The delay isn't artificially imposed. It actually takes that long to encode the video. Even hardware encoder cards have a delay.

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GreyFoxx:

if it just uses bttv drivers you can use xawtv

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, can't record it at the same time tho

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stuarta:

!trout EPG_monkey missplaced colon

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** MythLogBot slaps EPG_monkey with a missplaced colon trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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GreyFoxx:

no, he'd basically have to tell myth the tuner is inuse and can't be recorded on while he is using it

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Anonycat:

What if I just want to record to raw 320x240 frames?

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GreyFoxx:

Anonycat: you wont be using myth to do it

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GreyFoxx:

unless you start editing the source

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agungl:

Hello, when I run the Connect Source option (step 4) in mythtv-setup, the program hangs. Before, I had created an entry for my card PVR-350 and one for a video source (German tv-today). The card works fine and I can watch TV by using xine on /dev/video0 (for switching the channels I've a self-made program so far). Any advice what to try to get mythtv-setup to an end?

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agungl:

I've forgotten, I'm running opensuse 10.2 and the mythtv packages are from packman.

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mike__:

agungl: at what point does it hang?

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c0w_:

lo

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agungl:

mike__: I select the Connect Sourec option and then nothing happens. On the console I can see the SQL connections go up to 20, but nothing else. I've also watched at the SQL statements – nothing unusual there from my POV.

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c0w_:

anyone having any problems with EPG tv guide and ntl. so uk_rt

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** kormoc blinks and wonders if that last part was even english **

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mike__:

agungl: I'm not sure, i use datadirect at zap2it, and i've never had problems at that point

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mike__:

hehe

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mike__:

well actually i'm having trouble with it right now.. the channels are all n+1 off so 2 is listed as 3 and so on

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gardengnome:

agungl: sorry to hear you still have trouble

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agungl:

gardengnome: I've run with all SQL statements on the console. Nothing unusual there, just that nothing happens at all. Anyway, I hope I'll somewhen find a solution.

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stuarta:

366

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Capkirk_:

it was the driver to the graphics card

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Capkirk_:

the graphics card isnt supported by xorg

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** Capkirk_ is trying to install mythtv on a activy 300 :) **

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hads:

107

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gnome42:

stuarta: holy shizmo!

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gardengnome:

Capkirk_: what graphic card is in there?

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gnome42:

OK, makes sense to add something to housekeeping to take care of that :)

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stuarta:

there was talk of that...

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stuarta:

what is with the EIT monkeys atm????

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stuarta:

keep changing their mind on things...

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gnome42:

stuarta: oh yeah? I was mumbling about 'tvchain' yesterday...

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stuarta:

not that anyone has managed anything yet, so feel free.

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gnome42:

I dunno, I gave up on EIT long ago :)

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stuarta:

i'm slowly winning the EIT battle :)

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gnome42:

stuarta: Ok, cool. It's a task that's about "my size" :)

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Capkirk_:

gardengnome: http://www.vdr-portal.de/board/thread.php?postid=283810

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gnome42:

stuarta: good on ya! E

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Capkirk_:

german is not my best but im glad i had it in school now :)

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Capkirk_:

some card called cyberpro 5005

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sebrock:

does thos go for thunderbird as well? I can't install a new dictionary

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sebrock:

stupid wrong channel

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jetsaredim:

where is the mythtv logfile?

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stork:

BAH

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stork:

i _NEED_ a mythtv box

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jetsaredim:

Hoxzer: is that something that needs to be configured?

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jetsaredim:

I mean for the frontend

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Hoxzer:

jetsaredim: should work by default

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jetsaredim:

well – I'm trying to figure out why the DVD rip isn't working

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jetsaredim:

I know mtd is running

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hardnova:

seems there is a massive amount of disk access every time i change menus has some part of 20 got much bigger ?

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Capkirk_:

does anyone here have a activy 300?

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juski:

evenin

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stuarta:

evening

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hardnova:

morning

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stuarta:

cupcake

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juski:

chiuaua

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juski:

oops. thought we were playing a word association game

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** stuarta thinks about making some kebabs.... **

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hardnova:

i see

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juski:

Capkirk_: wth is a 'activy 300' ?

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hardnova:

disk activity seems to be slowing my frontend

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juski:

hardnova: you're using that memory hogging theme again. I keep telling yas that if you've not got 5GB RAM, don't use blootube-wide

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Saucisson:

*sorry for my very bad english* Can i have a 'listing' of radio / tv shoutcast with mythtv ? i mean, can mythtv do that ?

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hardnova:

i dont know i think im in the default one

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juski:

Saucisson: there's a patch to make mythmusic work with shoutcast but I don't know if it does shoutcast TV. I expect it doesn't

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hardnova:

takes 5mins to change screens

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juski:

hardnova: on an xbox?

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Saucisson:

ok thank you juski

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juski:

sounds like xbox linux with mythtv

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hardnova:

no this is a real pc 64bit one Athalon 64 3200

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juski:

with er.. how much ram?

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hardnova:

512

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hardnova:

i could give it a bit more if it will help

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juski:

that should be enough.. more than enough

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gardengnome:

some people have issues like that, though. are you using the qt painter?

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hardnova:

i thought it would be overkill when i built it a year ago

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hardnova:

yea qt helped and got rid of the anoying fade in

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hardnova:

which took even longer

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juski:

sounds a bit memory-leak-ish, but if it's not crashy I don't think it'd be that

[21:28:12]

juski:

hardnova: so that's one other person who doesn't like the opengl fades :)

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Saucisson:

juski: i think mythtv is a great project. I am looking for a not very common feature, i mean i would like to stream music or video with mythtv too, to friends or family for example. I know that there is a plugin called myth stream, but i don't know if it can do that. Thanks in advance

[21:28:50]

juski:

I've been tempted to make a patch to en/disable the gl fade

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hardnova:

i have myth to watch tv not to watch menu changes

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hardnova:

:)

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stuarta:

juski: there is already a DB option for that IIRC

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juski:

is there? ooo! :)

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jams:

and all this time I have been patching the source to remove that stupid fade

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juski:

I'll have a look next time I'm in the database

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stuarta:

OpenGLPainter from memory

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juski:

so er.. how come so few people have spoken up about the fade? I thought I was alone in not being a fan of it

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Capkirk_:

juski: http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/Activy

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hardnova:

im using the GANT theme if thats a pig i will change it

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juski:

if that just sets GL (or not) painting – it's not gonna specifically disable the fade I reckon

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juski:

Capkirk_: mythtv won't support the hardware. that looks like a set top box with an mpeg2 decoder mythtv can't use

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jams:

nope your not alone is disliking that fade

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juski:

Capkirk_: looks nifty though – if someone was to patch mythtv to support that sigmadesigns mpeg decoder it could make a very nice frontend

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stuarta:

Capkirk_: i'd suggest start hacking

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juski:

prolly easier to make a VDR plugin to access a mythtv backend

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ReAspired:

I have this issue while trying to get mythtv installed in ubuntu

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ReAspired:

mythtv-database: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1

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Dagmar:

wtf

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juski:

jup

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juski:

and with that...

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stuarta:

he's no longer superman

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juski:

:)

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Dagmar:

Oh I thought he was accidentally being banned or soemthing

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juski:

christ no – somebody ban me please

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Capkirk_:

juski: hehe im working on it

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** stuarta kicks juski for fun **

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Saucisson:

has anyone here have a mythbox ? what do you think about it ? ( i plan to build a mythbox but i would like to have opinions or ideas before ! ) For example, there are people that do not like mythmusic because it's not feature rich or "basic", same thing about myth gallery. what do you think about these plugins ?

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juski:

Saucisson: I think they need some love from a talented programmer or 2

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stuarta:

Saucisson: those plugins need work

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stuarta:

juski: or 3 or 4

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xris:

juski: why no more ops?

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juski:

mythgallery is pretty much what I'd expect it to be – I mean it works & is easy to use

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juski:

xris: personal reasons

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xris:

ah

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juski:

basically so I'm no longer tempted to er.. act rashly when people annoy me. I get very annoyed for small reasons these days

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Saucisson:

juski: but it's sufficient for everyday use, no ?

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juski:

I'm trying to cut down on IRC

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juski:

Saucisson: mythgallery isn't something I'd use every day

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juski:

mythmusic isn't something I use much either, but that's more like a catch-22

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Saucisson:

ok juski

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juski:

shite. just remembered about my site being offline. bah I'll fix it tomorrow

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ReAspired:

where does mythtv store database info or is there a command to set it up

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Dagmar:

in the database, of course.

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gardengnome:

ReAspired: mysql.txt

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juski:

gardengnome: adjust yer links.. http://justin.mythwiki.de/s100

[22:02:32]

gardengnome:

juski: :)

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Dagmar:

ReAspired: It *should* have come with the package you installed.

[22:08:56]

Dagmar:

Whose package are you using?

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juski:

I bet on ... sshhh!

[22:09:36]

Dagmar:

This would be a new screwup, even for Ubunty

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ReAspired:

darmar actually it failed on a script because I didnt have mysql installed. and now the script won't rerun

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ReAspired:

its a screw up in ubuntu

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Dagmar:

So okay, don't answer the simple questions

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juski:

uncluedbunt

[22:10:03]

Dagmar:

Install mysql like the instructions told you

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benlake:

anyone in the mood to get explain to me what to look for in getting the myth transcode daemon up and running?

[22:10:43]

ReAspired:

I didnt know behand, I thought ubuntu would take care of the dependencies

[22:11:13]

ReAspired:

mythtv error. mythtv-database: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1

[22:11:17]

Dagmar:

So have you installed mysql yet?

[22:11:33]

juski:

when is this madness going to end?!

[22:11:51]

ReAspired:

yea actually I had it installed first time around, but not the server. and now I don't know how to clear this up

[22:11:54]

Dagmar:

juski: I don't know. I just (at least I think I did) reopened the ticket Ubunut has on that screwy session authentication error

[22:12:12]

Dagmar:

They need to quit telling people to use sudo to start the stuff if it's going to break like that

[22:12:23]

Dagmar:

...and the person who closed the original ticket seemed to think it was something wrong with sudo

[22:12:36]

juski:

might have something to do with why my backend keeps falling over

[22:12:37]

Dagmar:

Why the hell you'd build sudo tied so tightly to X, I have no idea

[22:12:52]

benlake:

anyone have the name of the transcode app maybe?

[22:12:56]

juski:

anyway I'll be fixing that soon :)

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juski:

benlake: mtd

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juski:

myth transcode daemon == mtd

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benlake:

juski: related to mythtranscode by chance?

[22:13:37]

juski:

not exactly, no

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juski:

mtd is for transcoding dvds

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benlake:

juski: any idea why this daemon is not started along with mythbackend?

[22:14:41]

benlake:

juski: and shows, correct?

[22:14:42]

juski:

yeah. you have to start it yourself

[22:14:46]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: i always assumed that authentication messages was from qt.

[22:14:50]

juski:

no. not shows

[22:14:58]

benlake:

juski: what does the shows?

[22:15:06]

juski:

arghhhhhhhh!

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: I have no sure idea what it is, and I'm not feeling quite so masochistic as to install Ubuntu just to fix someone else's malfunction right now

[22:15:29]

ReAspired:

ok I must have fixed it yay

[22:15:37]

benlake:

let's see, that was 8 h

[22:15:40]

benlake:

's

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: what message exactly? i think you also get it on gentoo.

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hardnova:

its alot of work getting a mythbox going i think

[22:18:28]

hardnova:

and most of it is never simple :(

[22:19:08]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: When they're trying to start stuff they get this:

[22:19:09]

Dagmar:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=371310

[22:19:17]

hardnova:

just when you think you have it all working theres a bit that requires the whole OS to be upgraded thus you break everything again

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Dagmar:

'cept maybe without the segmentation fault

[22:19:38]

Dagmar:

I have a link on my machine somewhere that goes to the bug report in ubunutus zilla

[22:19:51]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: yeah, that looks like X/Qt. dunno for sure, though.

[22:21:07]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: It definitely shouldn't be X.

[22:21:23]

Dagmar:

These people are getting this problem when they're starting teh backend and running mythfilldatabase

[22:21:26]

Dagmar:

Neitehr of those need X.

[22:22:07]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: it's Qt being braindead. it doesn't have to make sense.

[22:22:24]

Dagmar:

I dont' think it's qt, but either way, I'm about tired of seeing it so many nights a week

[22:22:32]

Dagmar:

They need to investigate it and come up with a fix

[22:22:34]

gardengnome:

heh

[22:22:35]

gardengnome:

yep

[22:22:49]

Dagmar:

Lately it's been the most common problem that keeps recurring

[22:23:45]

gardengnome:

it's not a real problem

[22:23:58]

gardengnome:

it's just user being scared by nonsensical messages

[22:24:22]

Dagmar:

'cept when they get the message, the backend isn't started and mythfilldatabase isn't being run

[22:24:36]

gardengnome:

oh

[22:24:40]

Dagmar:

Yeees

[22:24:40]

gardengnome:

sucks to be them.

[22:24:55]

Dagmar:

No, sucks to be us and see the same plaintive cries for help every other night

[22:25:24]

Dagmar:

..and kinda sucks to be linux users in general when there's a problem that goes ignored. :/

[22:25:41]

Dagmar:

I can't even really figure out how to make the problem happen over here.

[22:25:58]

Dagmar:

I suspect they've in some way patched sudo to do something that breaks it's use in console mode

[22:26:03]

Dagmar:

This is not good.

[22:26:14]

Dagmar:

Aside from the whole "linking a security app against X" thing. Yeck

[22:26:37]

gardengnome:

i've seen the same message on gentoo.

[22:27:58]

stork:

grr

[22:28:15]

stork:

what sort of cpu do i need for running mythtv frontend?

[22:28:31]

Dagmar:

Whatever is capable of playing the content you want full-screen

[22:28:39]

stork:

no idea what that is

[22:28:39]

Dagmar:

Typically 600–750Mhz or better

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stork:

of what architecture?

[22:29:02]

stork:

P4 : ?

[22:29:06]

stork:

k8 ?

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Dagmar:

Doesnt' much matter

[22:29:20]

stork:

well it does

[22:29:29]

Dagmar:

I have the frontend actually able to run on my P3 notebook running off battery at 500Mhz, but it's pushing it

[22:29:33]

stork:

750MHz p4 = 400MHz k8

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Dagmar:

Where are you finding a 400Mhz k8 exactly?

[22:30:30]

stork:

i was stating equivalents

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Zider:

wtf is a k8?

[22:31:05]

stork:

processor architecture

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Zider:

from..?

[22:31:22]

stork:

AMD ?

[22:31:25]

Dagmar:

paul_best: Yes, I'm ashamed to say I've been a bit of a slack bastard about expanding the build engine to work with CVS

[22:31:32]

Dagmar:

wrong channel

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Zider:

hm, never heard of k8

[22:32:02]

stork:

it's what modern AMD cpus are based on

[22:32:06]

Zider:

then again, I'm no amd'er :)

[22:32:11]

Dagmar:

It's a noob term for athlon 64

[22:32:14]

Zider:

stork: you mean athlon?

[22:32:17]

Zider:

ah

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Zider:

just saying "p4" isn't very fair tho, there's a number of different p4s

[22:33:41]

stork:

Dagmar, sorry, k8 is a noob term for athlon 64?

[22:33:53]

stork:

Zider, i was referring to the netburst architecture

[22:34:25]

Zider:

I think there's 2–3 netburst cores

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stork:

doesn't matter

[22:34:41]

stork:

they all use the same architecture

[22:34:50]

Zider:

but performs differently

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stork:

insignificantly

[22:35:20]

Zider:

prescott was a lot faster than northwood

[22:35:26]

Zider:

especially with hyperthreading

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stork:

anyway#

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stork:

would a cheap sempron handle mythtv nicely?

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Zider:

as long as you don't play hdrtv content, sure

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Zider:

hdtv

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stork:

cool.

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Zider:

I have a celeron 2,6GHz, and it's pretty much overkill.. it's clocked to 1,6GHz most of the time..

[22:37:09]

Zider:

unless I play hdtv, which makes it choke its ass off ;)

[22:37:22]

stork:

fair enough

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netrix:

hi. i'm running myth 0.20. where did the option go that allows you specify the number of secords to record before or after a program? i can't find them anywere.

[22:37:44]

netrix:

er... seconds i mean.

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Dagmar:

So again, you found a "400Mhz k8" _where_?

[22:38:43]

Dagmar:

The slowest athlon64 made was 800Mhz

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ReAspired:

I'm at the point of setting xmltv listing grabber, (North America), do I use zap2it?

[22:40:16]

Dagmar:

Are you in the US?

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Dagmar:

...and/or does Zap2it have your actual cable provider and lineup in their database?

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ReAspired:

Dagmar, I'm just wanting to do broadcast, I dont have cable

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Dagmar:

Okay, so don't answer the simple questions

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ReAspired:

I don't even know if my tv capture card will work

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ReAspired:

yes zap2it has my lineup

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Dagmar:

Then you use zap2it

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stork:

Dagmar, it was a comparison, saying that a hypothetical 400MHz k8 will equiv. a 750MHz netburst

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Dagmar:

XML grabbers are for people who aren't able to get their listings from someone nice enough to use an easily parseable form of data distribution

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Dagmar:

stork: And I'm saying it was a useless question to ask since a 400Mhz k8 doesn't exist and every athlon64 made should be able to keep up with a full screen playback of SD content

[22:43:17]

stork:

xml isn't easily parse able ?

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Dagmar:

another useless question

[22:43:37]

stork:

what the hell lol?

[22:43:58]

stork:

you're like, the biggest troll i've ever seen

[22:44:10]

Dagmar:

Unless the docs have misled me, the grabbers are mainly scraping web pages

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netrix:

anyone know where the option to indicate the number of seconds to record before or after a program went? can't find it anywhere.

[22:45:01]

Dagmar:

...and don't waste your time calling me a troll when you're the one trying to imply I was saying XML isn't easily parsable.

[22:45:20]

stork:

your statement was vague

[22:45:32]

Dagmar:

netrix: Probably under one of the menus in the frontend setup with "recording" in the name

[22:45:53]

Dagmar:

No, my statement was not vague.

[22:46:08]

** stuarta hands out chill pills **

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Dagmar:

netrix: The menus are evil like that

[22:46:22]

Dagmar:

netrix: i kinda hate them with a passion, but can't see any easy way of cleaning them up right now

[22:46:32]

netrix:

Dagmar: the documentation says it is onthe general page, but i guess it moved in 0.20

[22:46:51]

Dagmar:

netrix: You'll find that most of us kinda wander iteratively through each menu until we hit what we're looking for rather than remember where something is

[22:47:45]

netrix:

Dagmar: yeah thats what I do and i've been all over this thing trying to find it.

[22:49:02]

Dagmar:

netrix: You gotta look more carefully at each page. It's at the top of the third screen under General

[22:49:23]

Dagmar:

I just went and dug it out because it was bugging me I couldn't remember where one of the few things most people *will* change were

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netrix:

Dagmar: grrr. there it is. thanks Dagmar.

[22:52:05]

Dagmar:

Yep. It's easy to overlook them ebcause there's so many freaking things in there

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agungl:

gardengnome: Hello, I've solved the setup problem. A really strange cause...

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benlake:

ugh, why is mtd so gimped

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gardengnome:

agungl: what was it?

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agungl:

gardengnome: FYI, the autoincrement IDs for cardid and sourceid (capturecard and videosource tables) were initialized with zero although one would expect 1 for the first record. Then there's a problem in the logic. I've updated the corresponding records, and now everything works fine.

[22:56:03]

gardengnome:

agungl: that sounds really weird. you should definitely report that one.

[22:56:30]

agungl:

gardengnome: Well, if I knew to whom...

[22:56:45]

gardengnome:

agungl: http://svn.mythtv.org there's a tickethowto

[22:57:06]

agungl:

gardengnome: Okay, thanks, Will read on and report it.

[22:57:25]

agungl:

gardengnome: By for now.

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netrix:

Dagmar: thanks again man.

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Dagmar:

no problem and yer welcome

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quicksilver:

Interesting. I just read an article suggesting that there is no need to region unlock your DVD drive in linux because libdvdcss can decrypt any region anyway?

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benlake:

w00t, got a init script for mtd on gentoo.

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Dagmar:

More like it deosnt' much care

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Dagmar:

All regions use the same key

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Dagmar:

A region setting is basically just an extra int stored, might as well have about as much force as a text file on the root directory of an iso9660 structure

[23:06:17]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: so I don't have to worry about this firmware flashing malarky?

[23:06:32]

Dagmar:

quicksilver: Not that I'm aware of nope

[23:06:57]

quicksilver:

ah, that's a relief

[23:06:58]

Dagmar:

If you happen across a regioned DVD that won't play, definiteyl holler at me about it

[23:07:11]

quicksilver:

since my wife has been given a region 3 Lost boxset

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Dagmar:

There *might* be dvd rom drives out there that care, but mine do not

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quicksilver:

:)

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Dagmar:

I think mainly that firmware stuff is for windows users who need the drive to lie to the windows player that will not play foriegn discs

[23:07:49]

** quicksilver nods **

[23:08:01]

quicksilver:

the google-tubes are surprisingly quiet on this topic

[23:08:09]

Dagmar:

Because of all the lawyers

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: there's a certain, well-known CSS lib that takes care of the region code.

[23:08:50]

Dagmar:

Wot, libdecss?

[23:09:25]

** Dagmar gets out his wolverine-spray **

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Dagmar:

It's always good to have a aerosol can full of angry wolverines.

[23:10:28]

notregistered:

hello Dagmar

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quicksilver:

thanks for the help, all

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Dagmar:

You realize that the nick registry is basically just a nickname holder, right?

[23:13:20]

Dagmar:

it's not like it actually ties into anything outside of Freenode

[23:14:08]

Dagmar:

yay dishwasher is done and I can maybe start putting my keyboard back together now

[23:14:40]

Dagmar:

(note: keyboard chassis' are _top rack only_)

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rsdvd:

LOL – you dishwashed your keyboard?

[23:15:22]

Dagmar:

Salvador Dali is good inspiration for art, not hardware

[23:15:33]

Dagmar:

rsdvd: just the part of it that has all the keys on it

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rsdvd:

LOL

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rsdvd:

a bit over the top ?

[23:16:03]

gardengnome:

i once took a shower with mine *shrug*

[23:16:04]

Dagmar:

All the membranes and so forth just go into a sink full of warm soapy water

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Dagmar:

rsdvd: Have you ever *tried* to clean all the four million nooks and crannies in a 105-key keyboard array?

[23:16:30]

Dagmar:

Dishwasher is way easier

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rsdvd:

I did – last week! I dismantled it and wiped the bits with a cloth

[23:17:15]

gardengnome:

pf

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Dagmar:

I apparently spilled something in this one, and then with it sitting in storage for four years, it managed to completely corrupt a number of the membrane contacts.

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Dagmar:

Once I get the thing to finish drying (yay cheap box fans) it'll be nice and clean and I have a wireless keyboard I can use again

[23:21:09]

hjohnson:

*sigh* I need a bilge pump for my car.

[23:21:16]

clever:

1045 20070218202416 MythBusters 46%/163fps

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clever:

high frame rate:)

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clever:

Dagmar: a month ago i tore ALL the keys off my laptop keyboard

[23:22:16]

clever:

then removed a large ammount of hair and dust from it

[23:22:37]

clever:

then put all the loose keys in a glass of water and dish soap to shake/clean

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rsdvd:

has anyone heard of "iMedia Linux" distro?

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Dagmar:

clever: I have a mash loofa that I cut the string on so I've have a big mesh tube for that

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clever:

lol

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Dagmar:

I mean, if you have an apartment you're gonna be running the dishwasher anyway, so there's no sense in wasting water

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

it was just a half littre coke glass

[23:28:26]

clever:

filled it halfway with water and dish soap and shook

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gleesond:

so I am trying to figure out a cheep video capture card that will work with linux any suggestions? I already have svideo working on my main video card

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k-man:

is there any well supported dual tuner DVB capture cards yet? (last i checked none were well supported)

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hardnova:

do i need to change parmitions on /dev/mixer for xmame to use sounds ?

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Dagmar:

Probably

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Dagmar:

Whatever uid xmame is running as might want write access to that

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hardnova:

i thought that xmame has a suid +s so it should have access ?

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hardnova:

maybe thats not the case

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clever:

i just look at the group of the device then add mythtv to that group

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clever:

so any program started by mythtv under its uid/groups gets access to that

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hardnova:

cleaver the devices didnt have groups so i added them to games group and mythtv to games under groups , i dont think its a security concern lol

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