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Sunday, February 18th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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r3z`:

PVR-500 should be added as 2 tuners right?

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psofa:

yes

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r3z`:

THought so ;)

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imperfectus:

I dont wanna spend anymoney

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imperfectus:

wanna use what i have

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imperfectus:

;)

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tripppy:

i have a twinhan dvb-t HD card and im using in australia. any recommendations for an OS to run mythtv?

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imperfectus:

I have great lukc with ubuntu

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tripppy:

which releasE? i just got xubuntu will that be fine?

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imperfectus:

doesn't really matter ;)

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imperfectus:

I'm using gnome ;)

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tripppy:

imperfectus, are you using twinhan?

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Milosch:

lively bunch...

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** gardengnome does the lively dance for Milosch **

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Milosch:

thanks, signs of life

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hads:

It's a lazy Sunday arvo here.

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Milosch:

finally was able to compile a new version of an ivtv xdriver today...

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Milosch:

menus are MUCH quicker on the PVR-350

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Milosch:

haven't done much tv viewing yet, more to come on that...

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gardengnome:

bob_fl: :)

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bob_fl:

hi front end probles?

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Milosch:

actually, the menus with this new driver aren't noticeably slow at all

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gardengnome:

bob_fl: probably to prevent spam bot attacks.

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bob_fl:

kewl!

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bob_fl:

frontend cant intiialize my INTEL ICH4 sound chip

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Milosch:

fwiw, this driver was released today or yesterday

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pyrotech:

hi, does anyone have any experience with getting HDTV to work with Insight Cable?

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J-e-f-f-A:

doc___, doc--, doc-_ doc- <--- Can you say Cybil?!?

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doc___:

erm..

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doc___:

trying to register my nick O:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Which one?!? ;-)

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DeKay:

hi. /dev/lirc/0 isn't getting created for me. Any ideas? I'm on gentoo.

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tripppy:

would there be anyproblems using a 40gig usb HDD, for storing my recordings on?

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Zider:

why would that be a problem?

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r3z`:

As long as you watch your spce your eating up your ok to do that.

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** r3z` has 2 250gb drives in an LV for his storage ;) **

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Zider:

lv?

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Scopeuk:

Zider think he means lvm

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Zider:

ah

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Scopeuk:

well usign lvm

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root:

anyone have any luck installing mythtv on an xbox?

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Scopeuk:

root try google ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

root: yes — frontend only btw. Good for SD frontend.

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root:

lol

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root:

which distro did you use J-e-f-f-A?

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root:

and how do I change my nick?

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J-e-f-f-A:

root: xebian

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J-e-f-f-A:

root: check out http://www.xbox-linux.org

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jd87:

Hey — I'm using the Internal player for myth video plugin — (love it) but it doesn't seem (I assume) to have support for mpeg4, is it possible to get mpeg4 support by installing codec or something? What does internal use for playback?

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DeKay:

J-e-f-f-A: I think I've tried this with no luck, but I'll try again.

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DeKay:

No luck all right. I'm using lirc_mceusb2 if that matters

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monkeyBox:

Hi all. I'm watching TV through my PCHDTV card, and the audio and video are very choppy (the audio sounds like a borken record). When I play the signal through mplayer, it plays beautifully. Why would this be?

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monkeyBox:

in short, watching through mythtv=bad, mplayer=good

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c0re32:

J-e-f-f-A:which version did you use xebian?

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c0re32:

for your frontend on the xbox

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monkeyBox:

Here is a log of output from mythfrontend: http://pastebin.com/883364 Can anyone see where the problem might be originating?

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J-e-f-f-A:

c0re32: Well, it was the current distribution about 1 year ago... I just ssh'd into it, and it's kernel 2.4.27

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c0re32:

woruld you recommend it as a frontend?:J-e-f-f-A

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J-e-f-f-A:

c0re32: It's a good low-cost SD frontend. It's a bit slow booting (2–3 mins), and a little slow navigating, but works well.

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c0re32:

thx ill give it a shot

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J-e-f-f-A:

c0re32: What version is your xbox?

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c0re32:

v1.5

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c0re32:

i think.. ill have to pop it open to confirm

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c0re32:

maybe v1.6

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c0re32:

J-e-f-f-A:i chipped it a while back so I can run linux on it, but im running xDSL which from alot of googlin dosnt support mythtv

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c0re32:

J-e-f-f-A:its a v1.6 i remember now... i had to use a different bios to get it working, do I need to worry about the version when I do the install?

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J-e-f-f-A:

c0re32: Since it's chipped, no. The version is only relevant to doing the software 'hack' method.

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J-e-f-f-A:

c0re32: btw- I'm running Xebian Linux from www.xbox-linux.org

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c0re32:

J-e-f-f-A:sounds right, ill try xedian v1.1.4-xbox

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crparr:

Hi! Why does MythTV crash when trying to play mp3 files?

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c0re32:

crparr: do you get an error message?

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crparr:

not in the frontend...

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c0re32:

crparr: does the same thing happen when you play the mp3 when you are not in the frontend?

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crparr:

no – in amarok it works

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crparr:

and no message is being logged either

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livingtm:

I just setup a new system with a PVR500, and the tuners are working okay outside of mythtv. when I try to go into live TV, i get a black screen, and at the console I get "TV Error: StartRecorder() — timed out waiting for recorder to start"

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livingtm:

I also set up recording profiles..

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c0re32:

crparr: try this to get an error message... launch the frontend in a terminal window, then create the error by opening the mp3 file, then exit out, the error message should be logged within the terminal window

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crparr:

ok... one moment

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crparr:

the error was:

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crparr:

2007-02–18 04:00:20.288 AudioOutput Error: Error opening audio device (Standard), the error was: No such file or directory

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crparr:

but the video output works with audio

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DeKay:

J-e-f-f-A: Mind if I ask what kernel version you are using?

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monkeyBox:

How do I enable XvMC support in my xorg.conf?

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J-e-f-f-A:

DeKay: A bit old... 2.4.27

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J-e-f-f-A:

DeKay: (On the xbox)

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DeKay:

J-e-f-f-A: Is that the box you are having /dev/lirc problems on?

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J-e-f-f-A:

DeKay: Oh, no... my backend is... FC4 – Kernel 2.6.16–1.2111_FC4smp

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DeKay:

J-e-f-f-A: Oh, ok. I saw some ppl having problems with lirc starting at 2.6.19, which is the kernel I am on.

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crparr:

c0re32: Where can I define the audio output device? in myth-setup?

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DeKay:

This is brutal. If I can't get this to work, I don't have a working remote :-(

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c0re32:

crparr: checking

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J-e-f-f-A:

DeKay: And I'm only using lirc for blasters on my backend. I use a MCE remote on my frontend without any issues.

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DeKay:

J-e-f-f-A: Getting video going was trivial compared to this

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c0re32:

crparr: off the front-end, setup, general, 3rd page

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crparr:

thx

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c0re32:

crparr: same... are u running kde or gnome?

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crparr:

kde

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crparr:

using Kubuntu

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c0re32:

crparr: one sec

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crparr:

np

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c0re32:

crparr: and you have no trouble watchin tv with audio?

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crparr:

TV is not yet working...

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crparr:

But watching an avi with sound works fine....

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c0re32:

crparr: when you use the frontend right?

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crparr:

yes

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c0re32:

crparr: what is the audio compression of the avi file?

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crparr:

don know

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livingtm:

Has anyone seen this "TV Error: StartRecorder() — timed out waiting for recorder to start"?

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crparr:

how can I check that? Its an avi from my digital camera

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c0re32:

crparr: first guess is its a plug-in issue within the frontend

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crparr:

you mean that mythmusic does not use the standard audio output setting?

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c0re32:

crparr: have you completely updated your box?

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crparr:

Its working

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c0re32:

so it was a setting then good to hear

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crparr:

yes, thanks a lot

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crparr:

but one more question:

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c0re32:

ok

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baxter_kylie:

Hi. I'm very confused about a piece of the documentation. Does the master backend require a physical capture device in the system or may it forego that necessity so long as slave devices are present?

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crparr:

are you using an ivtv card for watching tv?

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c0re32:

yeah

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purserj:

hmm anyone got the dtv1000 remote working under gentoo?

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crparr:

ok. My problem is: When I go to live tv, I only get a picture of a not tuned in channel. The Scanning and grabbingh of chanels fails. Any idea?

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c0re32:

crparr: =) error message?

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crparr:

one moment

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monkeyBox:

Anyone know how to enable XvMC support in my xorg.conf? Or will it be automatically included?

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c0re32:

brb

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crparr:

it seems to work now...

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crparr:

bye

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baxter_kylie:

Can anyone offer an answer to the question of whether or not a physical capture device must exist on the same system as the master be?

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jams:

baxter_kylie- a physical capture card can reside in a SBE or MBE

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baxter_kylie:

jams: Thank you. Documentation was fuzzy in how it worded this, "... The only hard-and-fast rule is that the Master backend must have a capture device defined..."

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jams:

baxter_kylie- correct. it doesn't NEED to have a card defined but strange things have happened when it's not, and a slave backend is used for tuning.

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flindet_:

GreyFoxx: Hi, can I get your Niveus PC Remote code again please? Thanks.

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crparr:

Hi! Is it possible to deactivate plugins?

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crparr:

I

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crparr:

I'm using Kubuntu – and apt-get install mthplugins installs all of them.

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crparr:

but when I try to remove one plugin, all are being removed...

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crparr:

Any Ideas?

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quink:

crparr: install it by hand?

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crparr:

ok thanks...

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baxter_kylie:

jams: right. I simply have a situation where I have a large redundant fileserver with no access to the source being captured, one client that will also serve as a slave backend with no space / opportunity for redundancy, and 9 additional clients. I'm trying to avoid stressing my network by making the redundant fs the mbe and allowing clients looking for archive material to hit it directly instead of through the main client+sbe.

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livingtm:

anyone have a pvr500?

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Captain_Murdoch:

baxter_kylie: if the clients can access the recording file in the same exact directory locally that it is located in on the master then they will read the file directly. so if you store your recordings in /video/mythtv on the master, just mount the fileserver on /video/mytthv on the clients and put the files in that directory and the clients will ge them from there instead of streaming from the master.

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Captain_Murdoch:

the /video/mythtv on the clients doesn't even have to be the same /video/mythtv as on the master, but if the file exists in that location the clients will use it.

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DeKay:

J-e-f-f-A: I seem to have finally fixed my lirc problem. I went to the unstable 0.8.1 version of lirc and it worked immediately. Time for bed

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baxter_kylie:

Captain_Murdoch: Great tip to know, but unfortunately I don't have total control on all the clients (and not all Linux). Additionally, I'd just prefer to have my db and all related myth files on the fileserver for redundancy's sake. I lost a db once to a failed drive — never again.

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williammanda:

can anyone tell me how to auto-load a module.....need it for cx88_dvb

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Dr_willis:

most disrtos have a /etc/modules file that autoloads the ones listed in it

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williammanda:

i'm on ubuntu

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williammanda:

found it...ty

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flindet_:

does GreyFoxx's ati_remote.c not compile on current kernels (2.6.18) or am I doing something wrong?

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livingtm:

I cant seem to get my hauppauge pvr500 to play liveTV. I tried cat /dev/video0 >/tmp/test.mpg and the card works fine. MythTV reports "TV Error: StartRecorder() timed out waiting for recorder to start"

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flindet_:

livingtm: in mythtv-setup is your card set as an MPEG2-Encoder?

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livingtm:

flindet, ill doublecheck

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livingtm:

flindet, Oh god was that STUPID. THANK YOU!

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flindet_:

hey, I only know that because I did the same thing to myself about an hour ago. ;-)

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livingtm:

hahahaha

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flindet_:

:-D

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livingtm:

you know, sometimes RTFM just doesnt cut it... gotta bounce it off of someone else whos been there recenttly

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flindet_:

Yeah, sometimes you just need to talk it through

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livingtm:

do you know what it means when some channels images are shifted in the X and/or Y?

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flindet_:

Hmmm....no, that's a weird one

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flindet_:

I haven't used myth since 0.19 (I'm reinstalling it as we speak), but back then I never experienced anything like that as far as I can remember

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crparr:

What is needed doing to enable the myth.so in my php.ini?

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flindet_:

I saw that sometimes for ALL of my channels, so I adjusted it and it was fine. But not for SOME of the channels. Weird.

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livingtm:

yeah it seems like its a fine-tuning issue or something

[05:11:39]

monkeyBox:

Hi all. I'm watching LiveTV through my PCHDTV card, and the audio and video are very choppy (the audio sounds like a broken record). When I play the dvb signal through mplayer, it plays beautifully. Why would this be?

[05:12:13]

livingtm:

flindet, Heres one for you.. when i add the second tuner, i get a message about Card 0 is set to start on channel 1, which its not

[05:16:00]

livingtm:

For the PVR500 setup, i only want to set up 1 source right?

[05:16:10]

livingtm:

and both tuners use the same source?

[05:17:46]

clever_:

ls: /var/lib/mythtv/1012_20070217180600.nuv: Input/output error

[05:18:47]

clever_:

:S

[05:22:56]

clever_:

livingtm: when i watch the recorded shows on my laptop with it in windowed mode

[05:23:03]

clever_:

i can clearly see the edge of the capture

[05:23:10]

livingtm:

What the heck... mythtv-setup keeps telling me that "Card 0 (type ) is set to start on channel 1, which does not exist"

[05:23:14]

clever_:

and i can see a black band on the left and right edges of the screen

[05:23:20]

livingtm:

riht

[05:23:22]

clever_:

between the edge of the image and the edge of the video

[05:23:37]

livingtm:

i think that the CRT is normally overscanned

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clever_:

and the video side of the edge isnt solid

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livingtm:

so you wouldnt see it

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clever_:

tv's are overscaned

[05:23:54]

livingtm:

right

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clever_:

crt's arent normaly overscaned

[05:24:06]

livingtm:

cathode rate television versus LCD

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clever_:

but without a solid borner arround the video you wont notice it

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livingtm:

or plasma

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clever_:

i was using it on the lcd laptop

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livingtm:

there are varying amounts of black depending on the channel

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livingtm:

so you dont overscan an LCD, so you will see the edges

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clever_:

but without it in windowed mode it would blend in with the edge of the screen

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livingtm:

if i understand it correctlyt

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clever_:

im not even running it fullscreen on the lcd

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clever_:

so its nowhere near the edges of the screen

[05:25:25]

clever_:

also my tvout card doesnt overscan

[05:25:40]

clever_:

i can see all the edges of the screen on the tv without any being cut off

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livingtm:

is the amount of black consistant from channel to channel?

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clever_:

i havent watched that many channels to see

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** clever_ loads the frontend back up **

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clever_:

running it in windowed move so i can still use the rest of the laptop while it plays

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livingtm:

i dont get why this is complaining about starting on channel 1. the settings clearly show start on channel 10

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livingtm:

i have removed and re-configured these capture cards over and over and i keep getting that error

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clever_:

yeah the bands seem about the same size between all recordings

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clever_:

theres a black stripe

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clever_:

then a stripe of vid with a slightly odd color

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livingtm:

hm okay

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clever_:

then the main video in the center

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flindet_:

by default, does mythtv delete old shows when it runs out of space or do I need to set that somewhere? I seem to remember setting that long ago (in like 0.17 or so), but I can't find it with .20

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clever_:

flindet_: it will delete autoexpire shows if it gets under the set discspace

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clever_:

which is by default i think 1gig but i have it set to 3

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clever_:

also shows under the livetv group are deleted by default after 1 day but i changed it to 14

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flindet_:

what qualifies as an "autoexpire" show?

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Captain_Murdoch:

flindet: it won't delete anything that you don't let it delete (except for LiveTV). you have to explicitly allow auto-expire on your recordings in order for Myth to delete them to free up space if necessary.

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clever_:

by default autoexpire is enabled for all recordings

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clever_:

but you can shut it off for a file to protect it

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flindet_:

Captain_Murdoch: Cool. I want to let it delete and re-record, which I remember from a while back. But I seem to be overlooking that in the options now. You don't remember where that is, do you?

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Captain_Murdoch:

I believe anything auto-expired is allowed to rerecord.

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clever_:

depends on the record settings i think

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clever_:

if you said record only this showing or something else

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flindet_:

oh, okay, I found it, I think. I found where to set it to delete oldest shows first anyway

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clever_:

i found an option to delete watched stuff first

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clever_:

i forget exactly where it was

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flindet_:

so long as it will re-record anything that autoexpires, I guess I'm okay. ???

[05:37:31]

clever_:

you can allways burn the stuff off or manualy mark it to rerecord if it gets low on space

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flindet_:

I don't want to burn it. I just want it to delete and re-record it automatically the next time it broadcasts

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clever_:

it would keep running out of space and redeleting if you let that repeat without freeing it up some way i think

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flindet_:

yeah, that's fine

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clever_:

i had a limit of only 3–5 hours with my free space when i started

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clever_:

but ive found the problem for my bitrate and can get over 10 hours on the drive now:)

[05:41:42]

clever_:

its still not much but its better then when i started

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clever_:

17 hours left with my 16gig of free space at the avg bitrate

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clever_:

3 hours at the max bitrate i used

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone have an issue with xine and audio sync when playing dvds?

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hardnova:

hi

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t0ny-p40:

How do I delete a profile from the recording profiles?

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ShiftyPowers:

d?

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t0ny-p40:

ShiftyPowers, nope

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hardnova:

remend a url that explains setting up the initial mysql database ?

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Dagmar:

hardnova: www.mythtv.org

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fooker:

Hey all. Is there a way to have myth not allow PVR functions on a certain channel? My DVD player is plugged into the composite input, and setup as channel 99 in the guide. With it being 2 seconds behind though, the audio (which doesn't go through the computer) is horribly out of sync

[07:08:37]

Dagmar:

So why don't you have the audio going through the computer?

[07:08:44]

Dagmar:

This is what's _expected_

[07:08:58]

Dagmar:

...because *no* you can't get around this problem.

[07:09:14]

Dagmar:

It's not "PVR functions" causing the video lag, it's the simple fact that the video is going through the encoder card.

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fooker:

Yeah, but the delay caused by the encoder card is negligable

[07:12:38]

Dagmar:

No, it's not.

[07:12:48]

fooker:

The delay thats a problem is caused by the PVR functionality, which is saving it to the hard drive and then playing it back

[07:12:55]

Dagmar:

Otherwise you wouldn't be whining about your broken configuration.

[07:13:09]

Dagmar:

Are you using a Brooktree (framegrabber) card?

[07:13:18]

fooker:

Not whinning about anything, and I don't have any broken configurations

[07:13:27]

fooker:

No, a PVR150

[07:13:40]

Dagmar:

Then your configuration is broken.

[07:13:47]

fooker:

In what way?

[07:13:55]

Dagmar:

You will *never* be able to keep the video in sync with the audio if you are not feeding the audio to the card.

[07:14:07]

fooker:

Actually, you will be able to

[07:14:22]

Dagmar:

There will ALWAYS be 0.5–1.0 seconds of lag due to the mpeg encoder

[07:14:26]

fooker:

You may have to delay the audio, but most systems can do small delays by themselves

[07:14:34]

Dagmar:

Okay, sounds like you know all about your problem then so you don't need out help.

[07:14:57]

fooker:

The large delay, however, which is caused by saving it to the HD and then playing it back, cannot be corrected by a small delay

[07:15:13]

Dagmar:

Dude, run the audio through the input on the PVR-150

[07:15:24]

Dagmar:

There's no sense running around making yourself look like an idiot to more people.

[07:15:36]

fooker:

Ok. I'll PM you my address and you can send me a new speaker system

[07:16:10]

Dagmar:

It takes *time* to fill the encoder buckets.

[07:16:13]

fooker:

Yes, and I said I can correct for that

[07:16:21]

fooker:

Correcting for that is not a problem

[07:16:27]

Dagmar:

You have deliberately configured your system incorrectly by not sending the audio through the same route as your video.

[07:16:29]

fooker:

Correcting for the delay caused by mythtv, however, is a problem

[07:16:53]

Dagmar:

There are ivtv settings for reducing the size of the buffer, and that's it

[07:16:57]

fooker:

Because the audio is handled by the DVD player and sent to its speakers. The video is meant to be sent to an external unit sepeate from the audio

[07:17:15]

fooker:

Dagmar: Listen for a second. The delay caused by the card, I can and have corrected for

[07:17:26]

Dagmar:

So you're saying your DVD player has a "feature" that allows you to introduce artificial delays?

[07:17:38]

fooker:

It is the delay that is caused by mythtv that I am trying to correct for

[07:17:38]

Dagmar:

...on the audio?

[07:17:47]

Dagmar:

And you're not listening to me.

[07:17:50]

Dagmar:

You can't get rid of it.

[07:17:53]

Dagmar:

It will *always* be there.

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fooker:

Why?

[07:18:00]

Dagmar:

BECAUSE.

[07:18:10]

fooker:

If I play the stream with mplayer, I can sync the audio and video perfectly

[07:18:21]

Dagmar:

Good for you

[07:18:24]

fooker:

The delay caused by the hardware is not a problem, as I have said

[07:18:29]

Dagmar:

Figure out what you're doing differently with the two then

[07:18:31]

fooker:

It is the delay caused by mythtv that is a problem

[07:18:47]

fooker:

The difference is that mythtv saves the stream to the disc before it plays it back, mplayer does not

[07:19:01]

Dagmar:

And at the moment, there's no way to NOT do that

[07:19:07]

fooker:

I want to know, and hence I asked, if its possible to have mythtv not do this for a channel

[07:19:12]

Dagmar:

And I've told you

[07:19:29]

fooker:

No, you never said that directly

[07:19:32]

fooker:

You said I was doing things wrong

[07:19:38]

Dagmar:

I said it about seven different ways

[07:19:43]

Dagmar:

And you ARE doing things wrong

[07:20:51]

Dagmar:

You've got a delay-introducing device, without any kind of SMPTE markers etc to correct for the time offset, so you SHOULD be running the audio through the same everything you do the video so that at least the two signals will stay in sync

[07:21:48]

Dagmar:

There's some stuff in SVN head that can maybe reduce the delays to a minimum, but it's SVN HEAD, meaning it might not even compile on any given day

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fooker:

Dagmar: Or you can just do things the simple way and sync them manually

[07:33:56]

Dagmar:

That is *not* the "simple" way

[07:34:04]

Dagmar:

The *simple* way would be to hook things up properly in the first place.

[07:34:18]

Dagmar:

...or to just put a $30 DVD drive in the myth box and not have to deal with some external player at all.

[07:34:34]

fooker:

Dagmar: Myth box has a dvd drive in it

[07:34:44]

fooker:

Dagmar: Mythbox is stupidly loud and so is in another room

[07:35:08]

Dagmar:

So you're being thick about having bought a badly made optical drive as well then

[07:35:31]

fooker:

Optical drive is great, never complained about it

[07:35:53]

Dagmar:

So take the ricer fans out of the box that are making so much noise

[07:36:20]

fooker:

And whom should I send the machine's smoldering remains to?

[07:36:34]

Dagmar:

You get to keep it for putting together a machine that requires ricer fans

[07:36:35]

fooker:

I don't think waruntee will cover that

[07:36:42]

Dagmar:

I definitely don't have any noise problems here

[07:36:49]

fooker:

Most opteron servers require fans

[07:37:00]

Dagmar:

No they require a CPU fan.

[07:37:17]

Dagmar:

There's nothing keeping you from buying a decent case, rubber grommets, low-rotational speed 80mm fans

[07:37:29]

fooker:

Yeah, there is

[07:37:30]

hardnova:

do i need to add a user to mysql for mythtv ?

[07:37:32]

fooker:

My pocketbook

[07:37:51]

Dagmar:

fooker: You should have thought of that before you bought a freaking Opteron CPU

[07:38:15]

fooker:

I got this server for free, and I don't have any money at the moment, and allot of bills to pay before I sink money into this. So I want to do it in software. Whats so wrong about that?

[07:38:39]

Dagmar:

What's wrong about it is that it's leading you to all kinds of thick headed "solutions" to problems.

[07:38:44]

Dagmar:

Spend money or expect things to be painful.

[07:38:56]

fooker:

I don't mind things being painful

[07:39:05]

fooker:

Don't mind investing a bit of my time into something

[07:39:07]

Dagmar:

Or instead of obsessing over a computer, get out and deliver some pizzas, which will solve both problems.

[07:39:20]

fooker:

Actually, I cook the pizzas.

[07:39:26]

clever_:

lol

[07:39:34]

clever_:

what if you hit pause on mythtv by mistake?

[07:39:40]

Dagmar:

hardnova: It'll be handled by the step in the documentation that details setting up MythTV's tables

[07:39:43]

fooker:

Delivery boys just don't make the money to afford good computers

[07:39:47]

clever_:

the dvd player will keep going and mess the sync up even more

[07:40:04]

fooker:

clever_: I wouldn't hit pause on the mythbox :)

[07:40:11]

clever_:

i have an av switch box

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Dagmar:

He probably couldn't afford a pause button

[07:40:26]

clever_:

which would let me switch between the tvoutcard and the dvd player

[07:40:28]

hardnova:

yea right ok well have done that

[07:40:37]

clever_:

so the dvd would go allmost directly into the tv and skip the entire pc

[07:40:46]

Dagmar:

hardnova: Then you don't really have to dork with the database further (which is a blessing)

[07:40:58]

fooker:

clever_: Projector doesn't have a (working) composite input.

[07:41:04]

Dagmar:

clever: That would be the smart thign to have done, yes

[07:41:05]

clever_:

ahh:S

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fooker:

Or a working svideo input either

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clever_:

im short on composite/audio spliters so im using my switch box to 'split' the digital cable box between the pc and tv

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hardnova:

yea i think its getting there, having to redo alot of stuff upgrading the os

[07:42:02]

clever_:

if my dad wants to use it normaly he can hit 1 on the box and the digital box goes right into the tv

[07:42:34]

hardnova:

while I learnt alot on the first setup , I have forgoten much also

[07:42:36]

clever_:

the switch box is also being used as an extension since my cables are too short

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fooker:

Dagmar: I respect that you have the time, effort, and mostly money, to do things the "correct" way. But there are multiple paths that get you from A to B, and while some may be nicer than others, they all get you to B

[07:43:34]

Dagmar:

I don't have the time, or the money.

[07:43:41]

Dagmar:

You've just been making foolish decisions.

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fooker:

So either decide to help people that take different paths than you, or don't hang around a support channel

[07:43:56]

Dagmar:

There's no helping you.

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clever_:

i have a frame grabber card and Dagmar keeps telling me to get a better card:P

[07:44:02]

Dagmar:

What you want isn't possible at the current time.

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fooker:

Ok, your probably the type that hasn't actually done any audio or videeo work, and has just been reading a bunch of texts

[07:44:19]

fooker:

Dagmar: 50$ says I find a way :)

[07:44:22]

Dagmar:

...and clearly, you've been putting yourself through $20-worth of pain to save $1 every time you turn around

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Dagmar:

$5 says I don't give a crap

[07:44:50]

Dagmar:

fooker: ..and for the record, I've done broadcast work.

[07:44:51]

fooker:

.5$ says I'm putting you on /ignore

[07:44:57]

fooker:

Dagmar: My ass you have :)

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Dagmar:

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clever_:

lol

[07:45:13]

Dagmar:

How would you know, you're cooking pizzas

[07:45:14]

fooker:

Why the fuck do people paste those messages in?

[07:45:16]

Dagmar:

Jerk

[07:45:28]

fooker:

Dagmar: Part time

[07:45:45]

Dagmar:

None of the equipment I talked about was anything remotely approaching expensive

[07:45:46]

fooker:

Some people's children....

[07:45:52]

** clever_ watches and waits to see if one of them reacts to the other prooving a lack of /ignore **

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Dagmar:

clever: No, I really have better things to do than to listen to people too convinced that by spending as little money as possible they can compensate by being clever when they're possibly not smart enough to come up with good solutions

[07:47:07]

clever_:

lol

[07:47:25]

Dagmar:

The *smart* thing to do would be to route the audio through the myth box along with the video.

[07:47:26]

clever_:

i got a dumb friend trying to import non mysql data into mysql

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clever_:

and when i show him a valid mysql insert statement he leaves the 'inert into table values' part out

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Dagmar:

clever: What? MS-SQL data or something? Data is data

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clever_:

and he did the same thing today after i corrected him last night

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Dagmar:

oh

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clever_:

he was trying to import plain text

[07:48:09]

Dagmar:

Another person convinced a database is a magic repository of whatever you told it

[07:48:15]

Dagmar:

I've seen those people before.

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clever_:

it has to be in the form of a mysql insert statement first

[07:48:32]

clever_:

he also tryed to make an unsigned char column

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Dagmar:

He's missing all kinds of fundamentals in his knowledge then

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clever_:

yeah

[07:49:15]

Dagmar:

char != signed is something I would have thought most people would know

[07:49:23]

clever_:

yeah

[07:50:46]

clever_:

and if i didnt go in and change his root mysql pw for him thru the phpmyadmin he would still have it running with no root pw

[07:50:58]

hardnova:

something is realy wrong with this new setup its running so slow

[07:51:49]

Dagmar:

Tiny communists sabotaging the drive motors?

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clever_:

was going to paste an error i had in mythfrontend but i cant paste:S

[07:53:06]

clever_:

'VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed'

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Dagmar:

enh

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Dagmar:

It's one of those creaky noises the driver makes

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clever_:

'VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor name: 'ati rage 128 video overlay'

[07:53:46]

clever_:

it also referenced a nvidia error a few hours ago

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clever_:

but i have an ati in this pc

[07:54:20]

clever_:

*but* i did copy the entire source tree(svn) from a pc with an nvidia pc

[07:58:47]

Dagmar:

Someday I will have enough money to do some serious interior decorating in my place

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clever_:

lol

[07:59:05]

clever_:

the walls here are pretty bare

[07:59:11]

clever_:

but the floor is nicely decorated:P

[07:59:13]

Dagmar:

...and I am going to get rid of each and every hard, sharp, toe-smashing right angle on every doorframe near where I sleep

[07:59:19]

clever_:

laundry and stuff all over the place

[07:59:27]

Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure I broke the little toe getting up tonight

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hardnova:

WHATS VBI format?

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clever_:

lol

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clever_:

Dagmar: i sliced a toe open on the dehumidifier a few years ago

[08:00:07]

clever_:

on the same corner my dad sliced a toe on

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Dagmar:

clever: it's all going to be rounded edges with some padding and thick draw curtains I swear

[08:00:30]

Dagmar:

hardnove: VBI is vertical blanking interval

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clever_:

lol

[08:00:42]

clever_:

goto the local metal hospital and copy there theme

[08:00:54]

clever_:

make it imposible to hurt yourself on the walls:P

[08:01:02]

clever_:

padded room:P

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Dagmar:

Walls I don't have a problem with

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clever_:

yet...

[08:01:19]

Dagmar:

Heading for the bathroom in the dark and slightly missing the doorframe is my problem

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clever_:

which would use more cpu

[08:02:00]

Dagmar:

Spend as much time in the dark as I do and you lead with your hands so that can't happen

[08:02:04]

clever_:

usleep or rtc?

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Dagmar:

neither

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Dagmar:

One is just a clock

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clever_:

my main frontend is using usleep atm for some reason

[08:02:46]

clever_:

and has trouble encoding and playing at once

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clever_:

my secondary is using rtc and is able to playback at 60% cpu usage on 700mhz

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clever_:

'video timeing method: usleep with busy wait'

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clever_:

laptop is at video timing methid: rtc

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Dagmar:

Ah

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clever_:

thinking it might be part of the reason its low on cpu power

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Dagmar:

I'm thinking you may be ignoring how CPU-intensive encoding is

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clever_:

encoding takes about 50% of the cpu in realtime

[08:05:35]

Dagmar:

There's more to computational power than just the percentage a single process takes of a single CPU's capability

[08:05:48]

clever_:

?

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Dagmar:

Okay, look, if you have a 1Ghz machine and it's encoding and it takes runs the box at 50% CPU load, this does *not* mean it's requires 500Mhz of power.

[08:06:51]

Dagmar:

There's disk I/O to be considered, the load on the PCI bus, very notably CPU *cache* size, as well as RAM considerations.

[08:07:03]

clever_:

yeah

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clever_:

i think the io would be under cpu wait time

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Dagmar:

Exhaust the cache and a machine will run a lot less briskly

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clever_:

which isnt labled as to which proc it goes with

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hardnova:

Dagmar VBI format , with regards to teletext isnt Vertical blanking interval

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clever_:

if im going live playback with a very small delay between record and playback

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Dagmar:

It's nice that you mention teletext now

[08:08:13]

clever_:

it may be able to keep that data in the ram long enough for it to still be there when it reaches playback

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clever_:

so that would cut io in half

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Dagmar:

It still stands for vertical blanking interval as far as I know

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clever_:

the cached writes will be in ram till playback and lessen the read times

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clever_:

if the ram bitrate and delay are right

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clever_:

if its 5 seconds behind at 1mb/sec then it would need atleast 5mb of ram free for the caching

[08:10:16]

clever_:

and the recorded data would still be in ram by the time it needs to play it

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clever_:

but if im playing a whole diff file or im 5mins behind the io needs may double

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Dagmar:

So what speed CPU is this machine using that's having trouble doing encoding and playback at the same time?

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clever_:

1.6ghz

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clever_:

P4

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Dagmar:

It *should* be able to do it

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clever_:

it can 60% of the time

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Dagmar:

At least for SD content

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clever_:

but every now and then the prebufferings come up and slow things

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clever_:

it has 512mb ram too

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clever_:

you know the /proc/mtrr 'file'?

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clever_:

i think its for the cpu cache's but i forget

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Dagmar:

What about it

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Dagmar:

You don't have to do anything with it other than let the kernel config know you'd like it to make use of it

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clever_:

i can use it to tell you what the cache sizes are on my back/mainfront/second front

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clever_:

mplayer's configure script tells me to confirm the stuff in mtrr are valid

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sigger2:

anyone know if MythGallery has been improved materially since 0.19?

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Dagmar:

Did you do the right things with your kernel config?

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Dagmar:

It should be neearly impossible for what's in /proc/mtrr to be wrong if it's there at all

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Dagmar:

sigger2: It's still "just" a gallery viewer

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sigger2:

mm, was just hoping for some improvements within the category of gallery viewer.

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cleverca:

is the L1 cache is 128k

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cleverca:

then it can make a 100k buffer for the decoding

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cleverca:

and it will be able to process that buffer faster without overflowing the cache

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Dagmar:

It doesn't work that way

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** cleverca stabs his router for disconnecting me **

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Dagmar:

You typically don't get to "count" on the cache like that

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clever__:

there got this one back online

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clever__:

yeah you may loose the cpu for a min because of multi tasking and the cache get filled up by some1 else

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Dagmar:

...especially considering using the cache as a buffer for data would be more than a bit silly

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clever__:

if your reprocessing a frame a few times while encoding

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Dagmar:

So, what's doing the encoding

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clever__:

you could loop thru a 100k section of the data instead of a 200k section

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Dagmar:

Ahem what's doing the encoding

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clever__:

the backend process

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Dagmar:

You're overlooking something kinda obvious here

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clever__:

frame grabber

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Dagmar:

No.

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Dagmar:

Software is doing the encoding.

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clever__:

yeah

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clever__:

and that software is on the main 1.6ghz cpu

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Dagmar:

Which do you think would run faster: Code executed from cache, or code executed from cache misses?

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clever__:

yeah keeping code in the cache will also help

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Dagmar:

Like I said you don't get to _plan_ on using the cache

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clever__:

but if the reads from ram the code is doing are cache misses it wont help

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clever__:

if im looping thru a 2mb buffer

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Dagmar:

The CPU will generally do the most intelligent thing it can about cache

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clever__:

by the time i reach the end i'll have pushed the start out of the cache

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clever__:

and the cpu doesnt know how large the loop is and when i may suddendly jump back to the 'start'

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Dagmar:

So what good does looping through a buffer get you?

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clever__:

if any part of the code has to repeat thru a section of data a few times

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clever__:

sizing that into chunks that fit the L1 cache may give a speed boost

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Dagmar:

That's for the CPU to deal with

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Dagmar:

...and occasionally, the wackjobs that work on gcc

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clever__:

lol

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hardnova:

im running fc6 and have installed the nvidia drivers , the nvida splash comes up and then goes into fluxbox but the screen refresh is very very slow and the highlight isnt working on some items

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clever__:

its working on an array about 2mb large

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clever__:

or even gcc

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Dagmar:

clever: I'm going to make this simple

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Dagmar:

clever: Worrying about this with the level of knowledge you have right now is about as useful as debating whether or not red rubber bands or green rubber bands would be better for powering your car.

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clever__:

lol

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c0re32:

lol

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Dagmar:

hardnova: Sounds like those problems are all in FC-space

[08:32:03]

hardnova:

channel scanner is not scanning :(

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hardnova:

failed to open card

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jtmoney:

is there anyway to resize the windowed version of the front end?

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c0re32:

jtmoney: run mythfrontend --help

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c0re32:

from a console it will tell you there

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jtmoney:

thank you, sir

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c0re32:

jmoney:np ect..: mythfrontend --geometry 640x480

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jtmoney:

yeah, so i guess i'm just gonna do a simple script

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jtmoney:

full-screen for when i'm laying down, 800x600 or so for when i'm using the puter

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jtmoney:

all need to switch from beryl to kwin as mythtv crawls with beryl

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c0re32:

that reminds me.... beryl, somthin ive been meanin to install

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jtmoney:

hah, do it

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jtmoney:

it's amazing

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hardnova:

how do i get the setup to scan channels ?

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c0re32:

tried of bangin my head aganist this mythfrontend xbox install

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jtmoney:

hardnova: use xmltv/zapit

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jtmoney:

that's better than scanning

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jtmoney:

c0re32: i bet

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hardnova:

jtmoney does that work for australia ?

[08:45:22]

jtmoney:

no, sir

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c0re32:

nope =(

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jtmoney:

i /whois'd you and figured neurometrics.net was usa

[08:46:05]

c0re32:

i need a beer

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jtmoney:

c0re32: i wish i had more room in this house... i'm in college with 2 other roommates and we have no space... it would be nice to set up a dedicated web/mythtv box and just run the front end on my desktop

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hardnova:

lol narr neuro ( the mind ) metrics ( interface with computers ) its just one of my domains :)

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jtmoney:

w0rd

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jtmoney:

alright, i have to figure out this whore lirc

[08:47:17]

jtmoney:

i was trying to compile it and it was giving me shit

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jtmoney:

apparently there's a patch for it

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hardnova:

yea i have compiled lirc a few times

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c0re32:

jtmoney:sounds like you need a backend in a small form factor case

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hardnova:

had to patch the lirc for imon stuff

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hardnova:

lirc is not a whore its very easy when it has everything it wants to compile

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jtmoney:

well i did sudo apt-get build-dep lirc

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hardnova:

jtmoney what os ?

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jtmoney:

(k)ubuntu

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c0re32:

I was gonna ask that

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hardnova:

jtmoney arr ok

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hardnova:

jtmoney well from my experience getting the CSV source was the best for me

[08:51:06]

hardnova:

jtmoney what remote are you tring to get working ?

[08:51:12]

jtmoney:

ohh and spdif working too ;)

[08:51:14]

jtmoney:

mce remote

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jtmoney:

mce_usb2

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jtmoney:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/images/d/d8/MCE-Remote-2-alt.jpg

[08:51:28]

jtmoney:

that guy

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jtmoney:

funny thing is, i've never really used linux until i installed vista ultimate about a week ago

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jtmoney:

it's so shitty

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hardnova:

jtmoney oh right looks alright

[08:52:23]

jtmoney:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote

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hardnova:

do they have a pic of my remote too ?

[08:53:35]

hardnova:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Imon_pad.jpg

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hardnova:

i have the imon that came with the silverstone LC16 and also another identical one that thermaltake rebadges

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jtmoney:

hmm

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jtmoney:

yeah, i'm trying the cvs thing right now

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c0re32:

nite

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jtmoney:

see ya, thanks for the help c0re32

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notregistered:

anyone else have trouble with the ubuntu package for mythtv?

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Dagmar:

notregistered: Pretty much everyone does

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Dagmar:

...because they kinda suck

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notregistered:

Do you know away around it?

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notregistered:

Besides not using ubuntu

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Dagmar:

Yeah

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notregistered:

and what might that be?

[09:02:31]

Dagmar:

Knowing what you're doing in the first place.

[09:02:42]

Dagmar:

No, I will not outline things which are in the documentation.

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notregistered:

lol your a tool

[09:03:05]

Dagmar:

...and no, I will not even bother attempting to address questions which have no _specific_ technical problem.

[09:03:20]

Dagmar:

...and you're a whiny n00b.

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notregistered:

n00b, right ;)

[09:03:37]

Dagmar:

You're the one who apparently can't even install Ubuntu.

[09:03:42]

Dagmar:

It's pretty sad.

[09:03:51]

notregistered:

install ubuntu?

[09:04:04]

notregistered:

whats this have to do with installing ubuntu?

[09:04:43]

Dagmar:

You've not bothered to cite a specific problem, yet you're willing to be abusive to people because they won't give you answers to the problems you never bothered to describe.

[09:04:55]

Dagmar:

So, don't expect me to believe you can install Windows, let alone Ubuntu

[09:05:14]

notregistered:

Cause you are an out right dick

[09:05:21]

psm321:

wow

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Dagmar:

No, but I'll put you on ignore before we get that far.

[09:05:44]

notregistered:

Great, have a nice day

[09:06:03]

Dagmar:

...since obviously hinting repeatedly that an actual problem needs to be cited before answers are given isn't getting through to you.

[09:06:15]

notregistered:

179 users on this channel and I meet and the first one I meet is a dickhead

[09:06:27]

notregistered:

No wonder I don't often stumble over to freenode

[09:06:27]

Dagmar:

Who you verbally abused before even asking a question.

[09:06:36]

notregistered:

Ignore already

[09:06:43]

Dagmar:

Go back to Undernet already

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notregistered:

EFnet ;)

[09:06:59]

Dagmar:

Shouldn't you be downloading child porn then?

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psm321:

notregistered: while i'll agree that perhaps dagmar could've been gentler in his first response, you're obviously not helping things with that attitude

[09:07:04]

notregistered:

I prefer to not have to register a nick

[09:07:45]

Dagmar:

He's just another troll.

[09:07:47]

notregistered:

wow 4 years of using IRC and 5 minutes on freenode and I have to use ignore for the first time

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notregistered:

thats sad

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Dagmar:

He'd have cited a specific problem by now

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notregistered:

psm321: I would rather not flood the channel with an error log so give me a sec and I shall pastebin it

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notregistered:

psm321: http://pastebin.com/883539

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notregistered:

if you have any ideas I would appreciate it

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hardnova:

its been real hot here in melbourne the last 3

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Dagmar:

Illiteracy.

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psm321:

notregistered: should've had that attitude in the first place... :)

[09:12:51]

Dagmar:

Remember what I said about "Knowing what you're doing in the first place."

[09:12:59]

Dagmar:

It's kind of key.

[09:13:10]

Dagmar:

But stop wadding up your panties for a second and listen

[09:13:16]

Dagmar:

The ubuntu packages *suck*

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psm321:

Dagmar: so where are people who don't know exactly what they're doing supposed to get help?

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psm321:

Dagmar: how would he know that?

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Dagmar:

The only way around their suckness is to read the installation documentation, and figure out what pieces of the puzzle the Ubuntu packages provide as you go along through it

[09:14:11]

psm321:

and notregistered: dagmar was trying to help in his own way, taking that attitude with him instead of asking for clarification doesn't help anyone

[09:14:11]

notregistered:

psm321: any ideas?

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Dagmar:

Most of the time that particular error comes from someone having built Qt without the mysql plugin, or if the packager made them separate, never installing the qt-mysql plugin

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notregistered:

psm321: I solved that problem by puttting him on ignore

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Dagmar:

psm321: Actually I was being very clear, considering that no specific problem other than essentially "I use ubuntu" was cited

[09:15:16]

psm321:

well, he just gave you a helpful hint so you may want to reconsider your attitude

[09:15:47]

notregistered:

psm321: I would rather leave him on ignore

[09:15:58]

psm321:

ok, that's your problem

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notregistered:

its nice hes trying to be helpfull but...

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Dagmar:

The other way that error shows up is when someone's not reading the documentation and hasn't bothered to start the database server

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Dagmar:

But let the newbie stay in the dark until he learns not to be a dick to people he wants help from

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psm321:

Dagmar: i don't think what you're suggesting is actually the case, because it's coming back with a standard mysql "access denied" response

[09:17:15]

psm321:

Dagmar: but yeah, i'm also not inclined towards trying to help somebody with such an attitude problem

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notregistered:

psm321: I have verified the passwords are the same

[09:17:29]

Dagmar:

psm321: Considering it was one of the first issues I hit because I built Qt before I had MySQL installed, which resulted in me not having the plugin, I'm very sure it's one of the more common causes.

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psm321:

Dagmar: ok

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Dagmar:

psm321: http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/mythtv/ <-- Slackware 10.2 packages, finely honed

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Dagmar:

I ain't just a "user"

[09:18:03]

Dagmar:

heh

[09:18:15]

psm321:

Dagmar: i know, you helped me out a few weeks ago

[09:18:26]

psm321:

Dagmar: and i know being abrupt is just your style

[09:18:45]

Dagmar:

I'm not trying to be abrupt

[09:18:59]

Dagmar:

I just don't think I should have to drag information about a problem from someone

[09:19:25]

psm321:

true

[09:19:39]

Dagmar:

psm321: The key here is the very first line... "No error type from QSqlError? Strange..."

[09:19:47]

Dagmar:

Sez to me the qt mysql library is missing outright

[09:19:52]

notregistered:

psm321: Can I msg you?

[09:19:55]

psm321:

i just realized i misinterpretted your "Knowing what you're doing in the first place." comment

[09:20:23]

psm321:

notregistered: you could, but it's obvious that Dagmar has a lot more experience in this type of problem

[09:20:40]

Dagmar:

I don't expect people to be psychic

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notregistered:

psm321: I would rather not argue with him anymore then I already have

[09:20:57]

Dagmar:

I just expect them to have an idea of where they're headed before they start walking, so to speak

[09:21:08]

psm321:

notregistered: well how about you don't argue and just play nice?

[09:21:32]

psm321:

notregistered: if you're going to be on irc you have to learn that people have different styles

[09:21:46]

Dagmar:

Most people's problem is that they are basically just typing random commands at the console, without having an idea of a particular thing they're trying to make happen.

[09:21:49]

psm321:

notregistered: and how to deal with each different kind without making people mad

[09:21:53]

blackest:

good morning

[09:21:59]

notregistered:

psm321: Im on 5 irc networks right now

[09:22:05]

notregistered:

been using IRC for about 4 years

[09:22:12]

psm321:

notregistered: Dagmar is /still/ trying to help you after all your insults, but you're too proud to listen

[09:22:17]

notregistered:

And its the first time I have had to ignore someone

[09:22:54]

Dagmar:

<-- ten+ year veteran

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psm321:

notregistered: i can't reply to you b/c youre not registered, but i've never seen that kind of error before

[09:23:50]

notregistered:

psm321: I am registered :/

[09:24:07]

psm321:

whoops i mistyped, i meant because i'm not registered

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notregistered:

:)

[09:24:36]

psm321:

notregistered: i'd suggest you get over your mini-fight (like dagmar already has), and play nice

[09:24:46]

psm321:

don't be brash

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blackest:

surely you mean not not registered and due to boolean algebra registered :)

[09:25:09]

notregistered:

Dagmar: may i msg you?

[09:25:14]

Dagmar:

No.

[09:25:18]

Dagmar:

I don't do privmsg.

[09:25:20]

Dagmar:

Nothing personal.

[09:25:22]

psm321:

just pastebin it

[09:25:48]

Dagmar:

Do a `find /qt /usr -name libqsqlmysql.so`

[09:25:53]

Dagmar:

I'm betting you come up with nada

[09:26:05]

Dagmar:

The thing you pastebinned generally means Qt is missing it's mysql plugin

[09:26:20]

Dagmar:

er, sub "opt" for "qt" above. (god I hate qt)

[09:26:23]

notregistered:

/usr/lib/qt3/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so

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Dagmar:

Hmmm.... You started the MySQL server?

[09:26:39]

notregistered:

yep

[09:26:45]

Dagmar:

Something' flat out broken then

[09:26:46]

notregistered:

Im logged into mysql right now

[09:27:00]

psm321:

i hat QTMYSQL3 errors when changing versions of mysql

[09:27:03]

psm321:

*had

[09:27:05]

Dagmar:

"No error type from QSqlError? Strange..." is usually a pretty clear indicator

[09:27:07]

psm321:

had to rebuild qt

[09:27:12]

Dagmar:

Ooooo

[09:27:25]

Dagmar:

What versions of each are you using now? (winces)

[09:27:31]

psm321:

me?

[09:27:40]

Dagmar:

Ack nah nevermind that. heh

[09:27:52]

notregistered:

mysqld Ver 5.0.24a-Debian_9ubuntu1-log for pc-linux-gnu on i486

[09:28:24]

Dagmar:

Okay, it's supposed to work with MySQL 5, although Qt 4 I would have thought it won't even build with

[09:28:40]

Dagmar:

...so that rules those out, sort of

[09:28:53]

psm321:

people use qt4? (for mainstream stuff)

[09:29:09]

Dagmar:

Not with myth they don't

[09:29:36]

Dagmar:

Hmmm

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psm321:

where's myth's db stuff configured?

[09:31:21]

Dagmar:

psm321: Almost entirely in the mysql.txt file

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Dagmar:

Which would be the only thing left to look for

[09:31:46]

Dagmar:

There's a lack of documentation about what you're supposed to *do* with the Ubuntu packages which also screws people up mightily

[09:31:54]

notregistered:

I checked and mysql.txt is there and correct

[09:32:02]

Dagmar:

Ah but the magic question...

[09:32:07]

Dagmar:

Did you get the *right* one

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notregistered:

right what?

[09:32:38]

Dagmar:

`find /usr /etc /root /home -name mysql.txt` may well turn up more than one

[09:33:08]

Dagmar:

The frontend and the backend both look at mysql.txt to find out where the database is so they can get the rest of their settings, BUT...

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t0ny-p40:

oh

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Dagmar:

psm321: See, that's why i was pretty sure it was a broken dependency, ie., missing the mysql plugin for qt

[09:35:43]

Dagmar:

I'm baffled that that *wasn't* it

[09:35:46]

t0ny-p40:

Thats simple fix then :)

[09:36:25]

Dagmar:

t0ny-p40: ...and before you paint yourself into a corner, lemme suggest using the same prefix (like "/storage") for the filestore across all machines

[09:36:30]

Dagmar:

It makes life MUCH easier

[09:36:38]

t0ny-p40:

Dagmar, I use /myth/

[09:36:43]

Dagmar:

Good enough

[09:37:09]

t0ny-p40:

Some one should stop me soon, I'm getting tired :)

[09:37:17]

clever__:

Dagmar: im using /var/lib/mythtv/ between all my myth boxes for /storage is alot shorter:P

[09:37:22]

notregistered:

see Dagmar not really n00b just rather hard to figure out ;)

[09:37:34]

clever__:

all my non myth based files are under /media/videos/`hostname`/

[09:37:40]

t0ny-p40:

/myth is even shorter :)

[09:37:43]

clever__:

and i nfs mount the systems into a web

[09:37:58]

psm321:

i use /store/myth but only 1 system

[09:38:00]

clever__:

so each system can access the others /media/videos/`hostname` folder

[09:38:28]

clever__:

works for any program which can recursevely scan /media/videos/ for files

[09:38:29]

Dagmar:

notregistered: This is whY I was saying you have to know what you're doing.

[09:38:53]

Dagmar:

notregistered The end result of the Ubuntu packages is like looking at a tall building with every second or third room missing.

[09:38:56]

t0ny-p40:

I'm using my server that idle 99% of the time to take some of my transcoding work off of my myth box

[09:39:03]

clever__:

Dagmar: lol:)

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notregistered:

Dagmar: I tried to build it and got a compile error

[09:39:23]

Dagmar:

It's just finished enough that making the wrong mod can bring the whole thing down on yer head

[09:39:23]

clever__:

t0ny-p40: ive tryed that but even when i nfs mount the files over it doesnt work

[09:39:31]

t0ny-p40:

Do you guys think my cable co would give me a different cable box with firewire if I asked them?

[09:39:48]

Dagmar:

tony-p40: Are you in the US and are you a subscriber of digital cable?

[09:39:52]

t0ny-p40:

yes

[09:39:56]

Dagmar:

Then they will.

[09:40:02]

Dagmar:

It's an FCC thing.

[09:40:04]

t0ny-p40:

Sweet! :)

[09:40:12]

t0ny-p40:

is it drm free?

[09:40:24]

t0ny-p40:

like I can plug it into my mythtv box and it will work?

[09:40:26]

Dagmar:

You might not be able to get any unencrypted data out of it, but it will at *least* make it easy to change channels.

[09:40:43]

Dagmar:

It depends on the market and the cable company's techs

[09:41:04]

clever__:

want to make bets that the techs are n00bs and havent turned it on?:P

[09:41:12]

Dagmar:

Some of them encrypt everything, which means it's only good for a channel changer (yay for the FCC not being quite specific enough)

[09:41:17]

t0ny-p40:

Would they care if I build my own? Or would they want me to use their dvr?

[09:41:37]

Dagmar:

I think that's the general idea behind encrypting everything in most markets where that happens.

[09:41:42]

Dagmar:

...to make you rent their DVR.

[09:42:02]

clever__:

what allows there DVR to decrypt it though?

[09:42:11]

Dagmar:

the fact that it knows how

[09:42:23]

t0ny-p40:

I hate drm

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clever__:

hack out the code for that and merge it with mythtv:P

[09:42:30]

t0ny-p40:

even more the tacos

[09:42:50]

psm321:

notregistered: you could try enabling mysql logging and see if there's any connection attempt made at all

[09:43:03]

t0ny-p40:

Any one know that the usb ports on cable boxes are for?

[09:43:19]

Dagmar:

notregistered: Your libqmsqlmysql.so we should probably look at more closely. It's linked to libmysqlclient.so.15, yes? (I think mysql5 was .15 and 4.1.x is definitely .14)

[09:43:23]

clever__:

i saw a sat box at the local store with a usb port

[09:43:32]

t0ny-p40:

I know if you try charging something with them they FREAK out.

[09:43:36]

t0ny-p40:

after 20 mins

[09:43:55]

clever__:

lol

[09:44:11]

clever__:

i have 1 mp3 player with an internal batery

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notregistered:

oddly enough the make has gotten farther this time

[09:44:18]

clever__:

it *needs* to be charged thru usb

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notregistered:

and it failed

[09:44:51]

Dagmar:

notregisterd: Pastebin the last 20 lines or so of th emake

[09:44:53]

notregistered:

I think whats important is /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt

[09:45:09]

Dagmar:

Oooh sounds like your'e probably missing qt-devel stuff

[09:45:16]

clever__:

which distro?

[09:45:19]

Dagmar:

or you don't have QTDIR set

[09:47:31]

notregistered:

Im installing libqt3-mt-dev right now

[09:47:43]

Dagmar:

That will probably sort out more than a small amount of hte problems

[09:47:43]

clever__:

:)

[09:48:42]

notregistered:

still can't connect

[09:49:19]

clever__:

only see these 2 files which are near it 1250_20070216100400.nuv.100x0x79.png 1250_20070216100400.nuv.png

[09:49:30]

clever__:

its nuv disapeared:S

[09:49:45]

t0ny-p40:

:/

[09:50:09]

clever__:

root on local doesnt == root on server

[09:50:14]

t0ny-p40:

oh ya

[09:50:18]

clever__:

need to tweak nfs settings

[09:50:24]

Dagmar:

Shares have to be exported as writeable

[09:50:34]

clever__:

that too

[09:50:36]

t0ny-p40:

You know what? I should go to bed then when my brain is working I should do this :)

[09:50:46]

clever__:

id get it working

[09:50:51]

clever__:

then sleep while it transcodes for 5 hours

[09:51:01]

clever__:

then you get 2 things done at once:P

[09:51:18]

t0ny-p40:

/myth/ *(rw,sync)

[09:51:37]

clever__:

that looks valid but a bit unsafe

[09:51:59]

t0ny-p40:

I dont care about safety on my local network

[09:52:01]

clever__:

any pc on your network could go in and delete your videos and flood the drive with horse porn and call the police on you:P

[09:52:13]

clever__:

any wifi on the network?

[09:52:18]

t0ny-p40:

Yes

[09:52:21]

notregistered:

:x

[09:52:25]

t0ny-p40:

wpa2

[09:52:27]

t0ny-p40:

:)

[09:52:29]

clever__:

good:P

[09:52:39]

clever__:

i can crack wep in under 3 hours if theres good data rates

[09:52:52]

clever__:

and if your streaming livetv over the wep it will help alot:P

[09:53:07]

t0ny-p40:

I can see 3 open aps right now so I would be the last person on some one's list to hack

[09:53:10]

notregistered:

Dagmar: any ideas on this error /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXv

[09:53:14]

clever__:

lol

[09:53:26]

clever__:

t0ny-p40: my livecd has connected to my neighbors ap several times

[09:53:33]

clever__:

and his router is an identical model to mine

[09:53:44]

clever__:

with firmware newer that what dlink;s site has

[09:53:44]

clever__:

and no password:P

[09:54:14]

t0ny-p40:

clever__, ubuntu does that by default with the livecd

[09:54:29]

clever__:

yeah ubuntu livecd grabs the first open network

[09:54:33]

clever__:

it cant know my wep key

[09:54:44]

clever__:

but i could so easily go in and disable his web connection and set a password

[09:54:46]

t0ny-p40:

11111....

[09:54:47]

t0ny-p40:

lol

[09:54:55]

clever__:

then the router is a paper weight till he trys to format it and reset it

[09:55:21]

clever__:

i know a friend online that went thru 3 routers because of that

[09:55:44]

clever__:

one of his friends went into it over the web and disabled it

[09:56:06]

clever__:

expensive joke:P

[09:56:12]

t0ny-p40:

lol

[09:56:35]

clever__:

both my routers have a pw and the wifi is wep here

[09:56:50]

t0ny-p40:

omg I'm going to lite my laptop on fire!

[09:56:52]

clever__:

i cant get wpa to work with my win2k laptop

[09:57:00]

clever__:

Thermal 1: ok, 60.0 degrees C

[09:57:22]

t0ny-p40:

[17205767.652000] usb 2–1: device not accepting address 11, error -71

[09:57:26]

** clever__ turns john to bake **

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** clever__ watches the cpu begin to crack as the rapid heat increase causes it to expand **

[09:57:58]

clever__:

Thermal 1: ok, 79.0 degrees C

[09:58:21]

clever__:

only another 21 degree's and i can boil water

[09:58:35]

t0ny-p40:

this is weird

[09:58:54]

** clever__ gets the ice... **

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clever__:

lol

[09:59:29]

Dagmar:

159F is really pushing it

[09:59:32]

clever__:

Thermal 1: ok, 60.0 degrees C

[09:59:38]

t0ny-p40:

my laptop

[09:59:44]

clever__:

my cpu fan turns itself off at 60c

[09:59:45]

t0ny-p40:

's cpu is at 32c right now :)

[09:59:46]

clever__:

and turns itself on at 80

[10:00:02]

clever__:

the fan kicks into a second speed somewhere over 80

[10:00:06]

Dagmar:

Dude, you did something to screw that up

[10:00:10]

clever__:

and then theres a 3rd speed which sound like a jet engine

[10:00:21]

Dagmar:

It should *not* be allowing the CPU to get to 80C. Something is wrong.

[10:00:34]

clever__:

lol i cant find the settings for it anywhere

[10:00:44]

clever__:

those seem to be the defaults

[10:00:45]

notregistered:

Dagmar: is it an sdl lib?

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clever__:

enless the linux kernel is controling it

[10:00:55]

clever__:

either the kernel or the bois

[10:00:58]

clever__:

bios*

[10:00:58]

Dagmar:

Did you buy one of those after market coolers that "self-adjusts" it's speed??

[10:01:11]

clever__:

havent mod'ed the laptop any

[10:01:15]

t0ny-p40:

my desktop is at 50c

[10:01:18]

Dagmar:

notregistered: Is what an SDL lib? Note: You don't need SDL for any of this

[10:01:22]

clever__:

dell c600 latitude

[10:01:27]

Dagmar:

clever__: It's a laptop that gets to 80c?

[10:01:37]

Dagmar:

clever__: Okay, something's misreading the sensor then

[10:01:38]

notregistered:

Dagmar: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXv

[10:01:43]

Dagmar:

Holy crap

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notregistered:

Thats another compile error

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t0ny-p40:

80c laptop!

[10:01:48]

clever__:

yes its reading 80 in acpi -Bt

[10:01:54]

t0ny-p40:

holy shit

[10:02:05]

clever__:

ive had it to 90 once

[10:02:12]

Dagmar:

notregistered: Try `ldconfig -v | grep libXv.so`

[10:02:17]

t0ny-p40:

I think my laptop by default kicks the fan in at 60c

[10:02:21]

clever__:

and somewhere past that it hits a 3rd fan speed which sound like a jet engine

[10:02:27]

Dagmar:

notregistered: If you have X installed you *should* have had that library

[10:03:04]

notregistered:

Dagmar: libXv.so.1 -> libXv.so.1.0.0

[10:03:12]

Dagmar:

clever__: lm_sensors is out of whack. You can't reasonably be hitting that temp with that equipment and still be stable

[10:03:24]

Dagmar:

Aside from the whole "it would burn your nads" issue

[10:03:28]

clever__:

:P

[10:03:39]

clever__:

i mainly use it on the docking tray

[10:03:42]

t0ny-p40:

clever__, do this what does it say? cat /proc/acpi/ther*/TH*/temp*

[10:03:56]

Dagmar:

notregistered: Hrm... so what's the rest of this error output?

[10:03:57]

clever__:

61 C

[10:04:10]

clever__:

and when i run acpi -Bt i get

[10:04:13]

clever__:

Thermal 1: ok, 61.0 degrees C

[10:04:18]

clever__:

identical output

[10:04:25]

Dagmar:

Because one reads the other. Ahem

[10:04:30]

clever__:

yep

[10:04:45]

clever__:

the batery also appears to have a serial number to it

[10:04:49]

Dagmar:

141F is still damn high for any modern chip

[10:04:53]

clever__:

i only have 1 batery so i cant test that

[10:05:00]

clever__:

its several years old:P

[10:05:01]

clever__:

P3

[10:05:05]

Dagmar:

My Athlon64 only hits 112F at peak load

[10:05:16]

notregistered:

Dagmar: http://pastebin.com/883551

[10:05:20]

imperfectus:

Isn't it possible that lmsenors has some funky conversion settings

[10:05:23]

Dagmar:

145 is about as high as you should be seeing a P3 go, afaik

[10:05:27]

clever__:

arround 60 is avg for idle with no load

[10:05:34]

Dagmar:

imperfectus: Yes, and that's what I've been pointing at

[10:05:38]

clever__:

100% at 700mhz doesnt pass 80 very often

[10:05:47]

t0ny-p40:

I've seen my ati video card in my laptop 100c once

[10:05:55]

imperfectus:

Also

[10:05:57]

imperfectus:

With a P3

[10:06:09]

imperfectus:

What kind of hardware monitoring did those chipsets have anyway?

[10:06:18]

Dagmar:

The thermal limiter should have been kicking in somewhere above 165F and shutting down the CPU

[10:06:47]

clever__:

acording to this program i hit 90 once

[10:07:08]

Dagmar:

notregistered: Okay. This is a big fat WTF situation now.

[10:07:19]

Dagmar:

notregistered: Are you trying to use a 64-bit build of Linux or something?

[10:07:27]

notregistered:

nope

[10:07:41]

Dagmar:

This error message shoudln't actually be possible.

[10:07:59]

Dagmar:

You can see "-L/usr/X11R6/lib" in there, so you know it's searching /usr/X11R6/lib for libraries...

[10:08:05]

Dagmar:

...and it's always going to search /usr/lib

[10:08:18]

clever__:

messed up gcc build?

[10:08:19]

Dagmar:

and libXv.so was definitely in one of those according to ldconfig

[10:08:34]

Dagmar:

I don't know what's messed up, but something is severely

[10:08:58]

notregistered:

Well I dont have /usr/X11R6/

[10:08:59]

Dagmar:

notregistered: Have you been having problems with getting builds that stop for weird reasons, and then you type make again and they go on like nothing happened?>

[10:09:07]

notregistered:

I do have /usr/X11

[10:09:40]

t0ny-p40:

yayI

[10:09:45]

notregistered:

Well the last problem was solved with the dev libs for qt3

[10:09:48]

t0ny-p40:

yay I'm transcoding over the network!

[10:09:59]

t0ny-p40:

chmod 777 /myth fixed it

[10:10:07]

clever__:

t0ny-p40: yay but i cant even get it working:P

[10:10:18]

t0ny-p40:

3am any one think I should go to bed

[10:10:21]

Dagmar:

notregistered: Well, it can't _hurt_ to add a symlink for /usr/X11R6 pointing to /usr/X11

[10:10:22]

clever__:

i nfs'ed the files overand it still gave the same error

[10:10:24]

t0ny-p40:

whats your problem?

[10:10:37]

t0ny-p40:

what error?

[10:10:45]

** clever__ repeats the error **

[10:11:07]

clever__:

wait a sec

[10:11:10]

psm321:

shouldn't configure have detected the proper location tho?

[10:11:12]

clever__:

the file i tryed to transcode

[10:11:16]

clever__:

iveseen that name before

[10:11:19]

clever__:

its nuv is missing

[10:11:36]

clever__:

which explains why it failed to find it localy and reported that it cant remotely transcode

[10:11:36]

t0ny-p40:

that might be the problem :)

[10:11:38]

Dagmar:

psm321: You'd think so, wouldn't you. Ther'es something weird going on

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notregistered:

Dagmar: same problem even with the symlink

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** clever__ transcodes a diff file **

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Dagmar:

Which version of Ubuntu was this?

[10:12:23]

clever__:

starting...

[10:12:34]

clever__:

0% dont 0fps

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Dagmar:

Something bizarre is going on with this

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t0ny-p40:

that what mine said for about 30 seconds

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t0ny-p40:

I'm getting 100fps :)

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clever__:

13 fps

[10:13:13]

clever__:

im transcoding over 802.11 B

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notregistered:

Dagmar: Edgy

[10:13:32]

notregistered:

V 6.10

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clever__:

but its able to saturate the cpu mostly so its not much of a waste

[10:13:45]

clever__:

Thermal 1: ok, 74.0 degrees C

[10:14:07]

clever__:

combination space heater+transcoder:P

[10:14:16]

psm321:

how about a locate libXv to find out where exactly it is?

[10:14:35]

Dagmar:

Yeah at this point I'm actually out of ideas, which is a bloody rarity

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notregistered:

in /usr/lib

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clever__:

the entire keyboard is noticably warm and the air comming out the cpu fan is HOT

[10:15:03]

t0ny-p40:

lol

[10:15:10]

clever__:

LOL

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Dagmar:

The only things I can think of would be unlovely hybridization (like there's files from a much older release of Ubuntu in there screwing it up) or bad RAM

[10:15:24]

clever__:

t0ny-p40: my transcodes start at 2.1gig and finish at 700mb often

[10:15:29]

psm321:

theres no -L/usr/lib in the compile command

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clever__:

rtjpeg->mpeg4

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t0ny-p40:

Ok I need sleep

[10:15:42]

t0ny-p40:

night all

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notregistered:

Dagmar: but this is the only thing I have had trouble compiling on this computer

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clever__:

Dagmar: i upgraded my ubuntu to 6.06

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clever__:

and my lib's are a mess

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Dagmar:

psm321: The compiler will always look in /usr/lib and /lib

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clever__:

irssi seg faults every time i /exit

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psm321:

k

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clever__:

even after recompiling

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clever__:

it doesnt affect any other program as far as i know

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Dagmar:

notregistered" Well, I have said a few times that the their MythTV packages are broken as hell, but perhaps there's a _reason_ why they're that broken and we're now seeing it

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notregistered:

hmm I wonder if anyone else has had these issues in edgy

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Dagmar:

Looking at http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php it definitely doesn't look like there would be that many things that could get left out

[10:17:06]

clever__:

Dagmar: my packaged mythtv(0.18) ran fine for me on a near fresh install of ubuntu

[10:17:13]

psm321:

notregistered: what do you get if you run just g++ -lXv from the commandline?

[10:17:15]

Dagmar:

notregistered: practically every night someone is in here with a problem from that

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Dagmar:

We're not big fans of the ubunut builds lately

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notregistered:

Dagmar: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXv collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

[10:17:57]

Dagmar:

notregsitered: You can feel special in that your issue is above and beyond the usual tho

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notregistered:

Figures :/

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psm321:

what was the exact filename you found in /usr/lib?

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Dagmar:

Umm... `whereis libXv.so` and then ls -al it and run `file` on it

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notregistered:

/usr/lib/libXv.so.1

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Dagmar:

Something got screwed up in a big way

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notregistered:

there isnt just a *.so

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clever__:

that one works for me:)

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Dagmar:

If you do a `readelf -d libXv.so | grep "Library soname"` you should see something like:

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notregistered:

clever__: I have that one too

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Dagmar:

0x0000000e (SONAME) Library soname: [libXv.so.1]

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clever__:

path is diff from Dagmar but the contents from file are identical

[10:20:51]

Dagmar:

It's the bit that's in the brackets, _not_ the exact filename that matters

[10:21:01]

benlake:

I'm not sure what has triggered this, but when I fire up Myth from a reboot it goes through a mini-setup asking preferred language and DB settings before starting normally. I've rebooted gracefully 3 times now and it continues to display the mini-setup. Thoughts?

[10:21:05]

Dagmar:

It's the library's soname that the linker uses to identify stuff

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clever__:

0x0000000e (SONAME) Library soname: [libXv.so.1]

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clever__:

identical again:D

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psm321:

Dagmar: just out of curiosity, why are there always so many symlinks then?

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notregistered:

readelf: Error: 'libXv.so': No such file

[10:22:08]

Dagmar:

psm321: Because compile-time linking is done a bit differently. THEN it's looking for filenames

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Dagmar:

notregistered: Your libXv.so symlinks go to nowhere??

[10:22:50]

Dagmar:

psm321: ldconfig generally makes a big pile of symlinks if any are missing

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psm321:

he said he had no libXv.so symlink

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notregistered:

Dagmar: how might i find out?

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notregistered:

That is what I said :)

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Dagmar:

notregistered: ls -al the /usr/lib/libXv.*

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Dagmar:

I could have sworn you said you had a /usr/lib/libXv.so.1

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notregistered:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2006-11–22 02:51 /usr/lib/libXv.so.1 -> libXv.so.1.0.0

[10:24:15]

Dagmar:

Okay, so run file on that, making sure libXv.so.1.0.0 actually exists

[10:24:26]

psm321:

but won't the compiler/linker be looking for libXv.so and not libXv.so.1?

[10:25:22]

Dagmar:

Damn

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Dagmar:

psm321: afaik it shouold be happy with the libXb.so.1

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psm321:

ok

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Dagmar:

er s/Xb/Xv/;

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Dagmar:

but if adding a symlink fixes it then rock on

[10:26:08]

Dagmar:

I'm going to try and break mine here

[10:26:20]

psm321:

well, i really should get some sleep considering it's 5:25 am here, good luck to all

[10:26:35]

notregistered:

psm321: same time here

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notregistered:

WPB, Florida

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Dagmar:

4:26am here, but i work nights

[10:26:56]

benlake:

no thoughts on the setup question when starting mythfrontend?

[10:27:07]

Dagmar:

benlake: none here

[10:27:14]

benlake:

:/

[10:27:16]

stuarta:

benlake: my guess is the info isn't be set in the database

[10:27:20]

Dagmar:

benlake: Sounds like something you should hassle the people who made your packages about

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stuarta:

s/be/being

[10:27:37]

benlake:

I haven't upgraded recently. humph.

[10:27:53]

benlake:

I just setup autofs and now I get myth setup questions :P

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Dagmar:

notregistered: I just removed my libXv.so symlink, even though I don't think it should affect things, and now I'm running a rebuild of mythtv.

[10:28:10]

Dagmar:

It'll be a bit before it's done tho

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notregistered:

yea

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benlake:

stuarta: it's asking about DB connect info, I dont think it stores that in the BD

[10:28:42]

benlake:

s/BD/DB ... I think its late everywhere :)

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stuarta:

it store that in the home dir

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notregistered:

shit

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notregistered:

:/

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psm321:

Dagmar: you could probably just test that part with g++ -lXv

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** stuarta throws notregistered some toilet paper **

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clever__:

Sun Feb 18 06:29:16 AST 2007

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clever__:

very late/very early here:P

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notregistered:

I just mv instead of cp thta lib :/

[10:29:46]

Dagmar:

stuarta: Dude, I seriously have no idea what's going on on his box

[10:30:01]

stuarta:

notregistered: have you run ldconfig?

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notregistered:

and when I moved it back root@workstation:/usr/lib# cp libXv.so.1 /root/

[10:30:07]

notregistered:

cp: cannot stat `libXv.so.1': No such file or directory

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benlake:

stuarta: indeed it does, and I'm staring at it

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Dagmar:

notregisted: In /usr/X11/lib do a `ln -s libXv.so.1 libXv.so`

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stuarta:

benlake: let's go back a step. since installing autofs broke it, what did you do there?

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clever__:

cp on a symlink tryed to copy its dest

[10:31:02]

Dagmar:

For whatever reason, not having libXv.so actually does seem to screw it up when it's invoked by -lXv

[10:31:03]

benlake:

stuarta: I think that was a mere coincidence :)

[10:31:15]

Dagmar:

This is probably Qt buggery or something

[10:31:23]

benlake:

I setup autofs to simply mount a remote nfs share not related to Myth

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notregistered:

I don't have /usr/X11/lib

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Dagmar:

Well, put it wherever your libXv.so.1 is

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Dagmar:

doesn't much matter where

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notregistered:

its not anymore

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benlake:

stuarta: I rebooted to test out the auto mounting and noticed I was being asked my language pref... never seen that before, dont even remember it being in mythtv-setup

[10:32:20]

Dagmar:

It *should* be /usr/X11R6/lib or /usr/lib

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notregistered:

Dagmar: I moved it and moved it back and now its lost

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stuarta:

benlake: it's what happens the first time you run a frontend

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notregistered:

Im making another locate DB in hopes of finding it

[10:33:04]

stuarta:

so basically it thinks the frontend hasn't been setup

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stuarta:

notregistered: reinstall the package that it came from

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benlake:

stuarta: fair enough, does the mysql.txt in the ~/.mythtv dir trigger that?

[10:33:45]

benlake:

stuarta: it non-existance I should say

[10:33:53]

stuarta:

yes

[10:34:05]

stuarta:

check your permissions etc

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Dagmar:

Over here mine is named libXv.so.1.0, which gets a symlink named libXv.so.1 because of the soname internal to the library.

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notregistered:

stuarta: it didnt put it back :/

[10:35:08]

benlake:

stuarta: does it need to be writable?

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Dagmar:

It won't make a libXv.so symlink, but X.org apparently created that one

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notregistered:

I have a libXv.so.1.0.0

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stuarta:

benlake: shouldn't need to be, mine is mode 644

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notregistered:

do I need to make a symlink with libXv.so.1.0.0 ?

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notregistered:

its in /usr/lib

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stuarta:

notregistered: ldconfig should do that for you

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Dagmar:

You need a filename of libXv.so to make g++ happy

[10:36:37]

Dagmar:

It could be a symlink or not

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Dagmar:

For *sure* referencing libXv.so much eventually point to a real file tho

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notregistered:

ok I ldconfig made it

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Dagmar:

If you make one symlink that points to the real file, or several links that point to each other in turn and THEN the real file it doesn't matter

[10:38:06]

Dagmar:

I'm stumped why the distro doesn't ship with a symlink version of libXv.so tho

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notregistered:

so you want me to make a symlink from libXv.so.1.0.0 to libXv.so.1 ?

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Dagmar:

Oooooh

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notregistered:

No wait thats already there

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notregistered:

ldconfig made it I guess

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Dagmar:

You should have a total of three files matching the mask libXv.so*

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Dagmar:

Two of which will be symlinks

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Dagmar:

g++ -lXv will always give the same error anyway

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Dagmar:

Even if "libXv.so" exists

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notregistered:

Dagmar: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2007-02–18 05:37 libXv.so.1 -> libXv.so.1.0.0

[10:39:42]

notregistered:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14092 2007-02–18 05:37 libXv.so.1.0.0

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Dagmar:

...and these are in what directory?>

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notregistered:

/usr/lib

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benlake:

stuarta: hmm, if I start mythfrontend from a term manually it doesn't do the setup

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Dagmar:

then it *should* be working

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notregistered:

Dagmar: same error

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stuarta:

benlake: that sounds like differences in environment

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notregistered:

Ill try to make clean and do it again

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benlake:

stuarta: if I let the fluxbox startup file load it, the setup starts...mind you the fluxbox method has been in place for 8 months

[10:41:16]

Dagmar:

notregistered: dude at this point I'd back up the important data and do a wipe & reinstall

[10:41:17]

psm321:

notregistered: so do you have the libXv.so now? (doesnt show in your listing above)

[10:41:39]

notregistered:

I still don't habe a libXv.so

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benlake:

stuarta: but yes, there is obviously a difference

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notregistered:

have *

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Dagmar:

notregisterd: You don't need one

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notregistered:

:)

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Dagmar:

there's not one here, and MythTV definitely builds

[10:42:13]

notregistered:

Dagmar: backing up isnt really an option

[10:42:24]

notregistered:

I have a 200 gig HD and no where to put the stuff

[10:42:35]

Dagmar:

You didn't make /home it's own partition?

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Dagmar:

No thumbdrives around?

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notregistered:

heh my flash drive is 1 gig

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notregistered:

but yea /home is on its own partition

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notregistered:

/dev/hda6 on /home type ext3

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Dagmar:

Maybt this time work from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy

[10:46:46]

** psm321 wonders how good gentoo's myth package is **

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psm321:

i use gentoo but i always build myth manually because i want to be able to mess with it

[10:49:19]

immolo:

psm321- use the ebuild all the time no issues

[10:49:35]

immolo:

but i'm using the testing branch though

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psm321:

well i have my own hacks that i add in tho

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psm321:

that's hard to do with ebuilds

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** benlake uses gentoo **

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hardnova:

i keep getting problems connecting to the back end server , asking about the IP but its set correctly

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Dagmar:

"problems" is not very specific.

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notregistered:

Dagmar: brb gotta logout to see if it works

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Dagmar:

Good luck

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notregistered:

Thats what it says to do anyway

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notregistered:

Thank you

[10:54:00]

notregistered:

Sorry we got off on the wrong foot

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hardnova:

frontend is not connecting to the backend

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Dagmar:

no big deal

[10:54:34]

Dagmar:

youre quite welcome regardless

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notregistered:

:)

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psm321:

hardnova: always?

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hardnova:

on the same machine and IP and host are all configured

[10:55:22]

hardnova:

this is a new setup , so slowly making progress through the initial setup

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hardnova:

but cant connect to the backend seems a bit odd

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Dagmar:

hardnova: Are you referring to things as "localhost" or by 127.0.0.1

[10:57:04]

Dagmar:

That was wrong.

[10:57:15]

Dagmar:

If everything is running on the same box, tell it "localhost" everywhere

[10:58:00]

hardnova:

ok i will give that a go , is that going to effect mythweb ?

[10:58:22]

benlake:

and it's only really 'incorrect' because the permissions for the myth user to MySQL are likely set to localhost/127.0.0.1

[10:58:59]

benlake:

and if the machines IP changed, chaos would ensue :)

[10:59:15]

hardnova:

benlake arrr yes that makes sence

[11:00:20]

benlake:

dont even think it

[11:00:23]

benlake:

and no

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benlake:

you would need to do an SQL GRANT as an admin of the mysql server

[11:01:02]

benlake:

focus on using localhost

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hardnova:

is easer to set back to 127.0.0.1 then

[11:01:40]

benlake:

might have better luck with 'localhost'

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benlake:

as that is a more likely default

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hardnova:

ok once it restats we will see , its still running as slow as a snail

[11:03:23]

benlake:

why are you restarting?

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hardnova:

no idea why , but im using a lcd rather then the tv so maybe it will sort out when i sort out the xorg.conf file

[11:04:19]

hardnova:

just restarting the X part was in mythtv-setup

[11:06:04]

hardnova:

selecting tv -> "mythtv is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected bla bla " so still not right but different error

[11:07:37]

benlake:

stuarta: ok, I'm baffled. I tried starting mythfrontend after fluxbox started to see if maybe that would put it in a position to find the DB connect info, but no go

[11:07:44]

hardnova:

backend must be crashing i think

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stuarta:

benlake: time to find out what's different about the 2 environments

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benlake:

stuarta: I'm guessing the path the app is starting in

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stuarta:

do env > file for both environments (obviously change file for the 2nd one)

[11:09:57]

stuarta:

then you can diff -u the files.

[11:10:18]

benlake:

kinda hard to look at the environment for the startup script of fluxbox

[11:10:35]

stuarta:

nope, just put env > file into the startup script

[11:10:55]

psm321:

hardnova: did you go through the tuner/channel setup?

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hardnova:

yea I added a couple of channels manualy

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psm321:

and the tuners too?

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hardnova:

yep 2 pvr150's

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benlake:

stuarta: I think the big difference is the USERNAME var is set in the terminal env

[11:16:08]

stuarta:

indeed. that would allow it to find the home dir and hence mysql.txt properly

[11:16:26]

benlake:

export USERNAME=john in the fluxbox startup?

[11:16:29]

stuarta:

is HOME set?

[11:16:51]

Dagmar:

Okay I understand why Ms. Britney Spears might have wanted to shave her head, but I still don't get why the POLICE had to show up

[11:16:52]

benlake:

hmm, yes

[11:16:57]

benlake:

in both... that's lame

[11:17:03]

hardnova:

just tested the video devices working no problems recorded to a file

[11:17:25]

Dagmar:

As dumb as what's been cycling on CNN tonight is, that's the most baffling item

[11:17:43]

Dagmar:

Hello and no USERNAME has nothing to do with ~

[11:18:00]

Dagmar:

~ is parsed by the shell which makes a glibc call that goes and reads your homedir location from /etc/passwd, guys

[11:18:06]

Dagmar:

Same goes for $HOME

[11:18:34]

Dagmar:

In no way is your userNAME required to find your homedir

[11:19:11]

Dagmar:

~/.mythtv is at the *end* of the search path for mysql.txt

[11:19:51]

** benlake wishes mythfrontend logged stuff **

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** stuarta points out --verbose to benlake **

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** benlake wonders why --help doesn't point that out **

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** stuarta shrugs **

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benlake:

what's the kill X key combo?

[11:23:01]

Dagmar:

There's not one

[11:23:21]

benlake:

false

[11:23:22]

Dagmar:

If you're trying to shut down X *itself*, and you didn't disable it, ctrl-alt-bksp

[11:23:26]

psm321:

ctrl+alt+backspace

[11:23:31]

benlake:

danke

[11:24:33]

Dagmar:

...and --help DOES show --verbose

[11:24:37]

Dagmar:

http://www.rif.org

[11:26:04]

benlake:

benlake@entainment ~ $ mythfrontend --help

[11:26:05]

benlake:

mythfrontend: cannot connect to X server

[11:26:34]

Dagmar:

knowing what your'e doing helps

[11:26:42]

Dagmar:

It's an X app

[11:26:56]

Dagmar:

It's generally not going to say anything unless it can connect to an X display.

[11:27:16]

Dagmar:

Do you have X running?

[11:27:22]

** benlake sighs **

[11:27:23]

Dagmar:

If not, don't expect mythfrontend to do anything.

[11:28:35]

Dagmar:

Her'es a free clue:

[11:28:36]

Dagmar:

http://pastebin.com/883581

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Dagmar:

If you focused more on figuring out problems instead of acting put upon, this would not be so hard man.

[11:29:32]

overload:

Dagmar: got a moment?

[11:29:36]

Dagmar:

yes.

[11:29:54]

overload:

let me pastebin the error

[11:29:56]

Dagmar:

"bout to grab food, and hoping I'll see fewer people get error messages that they just stare blankly at

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Dagmar:

I know these people are smarter than they're acting tonight.

[11:30:05]

** benlake wonders what Dagmar is blathering about **

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Dagmar:

benlake: When you saw the "unable to connect to X server" message your _first thought_ shoudl have been "how can I get rid of that error" not "Oh well, --help doesn't tell me anything useful"

[11:30:46]

registereduser:

yes yes me again

[11:31:21]

Dagmar:

benlake: There may be other things you're seeing, considering to be "impenetrable walls", and are really just tissue paper with chocolate cake on the other side

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** hardnova scraches his head **

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notregistered:

Dagmar: http://pastebin.com/883584

[11:32:02]

notregistered:

everything is going well execpt that of course

[11:32:16]

Dagmar:

notregistered: Let's see...

[11:32:45]

Dagmar:

I think three nights out of the last five I've been calling for a possee to be formed to go FIND the person responsible for packaging those binaries and beat the crap out of them because of that thing you just pastebinned.

[11:32:50]

** benlake begins to speak and stops himself abruptly... **

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notregistered:

:x

[11:33:07]

Dagmar:

benlake: I bet you're seeing there's a possible solution to what you were just about to ask

[11:33:26]

notregistered:

Dagmar: is there a quick fix for it?

[11:33:27]

benlake:

yeah, yeah, that was it :)

[11:33:30]

Dagmar:

notregistered: There is literally no reason teh backend should need to talk to the frontend at all

[11:33:46]

Dagmar:

benlake: I _knew_ you could do it

[11:33:53]

benlake:

dude.

[11:33:57]

Dagmar:

If you guys managed to get on IRC you can't be all that slow

[11:34:04]

notregistered:

im not slow!

[11:34:18]

Dagmar:

You must be unafraid to guess, but careful enough to be able to undo if you guessed wrong.

[11:34:38]

** stuarta offers Dagmar some chocolate cake **

[11:35:01]

Dagmar:

notregistered: So far, no one has pastebinned that init script for me so I can't really say what the heck it's doing that it shouldn't be

[11:35:13]

notregistered:

Then I shall :)

[11:35:23]

Dagmar:

,...and, um, I have no idea why you're trying to run the cron script

[11:35:29]

Dagmar:

Seems a little odd, although it would probably work

[11:36:04]

benlake:

well done stuart :)

[11:36:16]

Dagmar:

Gah the MOMENT my co-worker gets back from his smoke break I'm taking 10 to run to Los Circle Que to get some food

[11:37:15]

Dagmar:

I should eventually put a cron script into my package

[11:38:47]

notregistered:

ok

[11:38:49]

** Dagmar looks quickly **

[11:38:58]

notregistered:

:)

[11:39:02]

Dagmar:

meh we should both be using pastebin.ca

[11:39:08]

Dagmar:

pastebin.com is always so damn slow

[11:40:01]

stuarta:

or paste.rafb.net

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notregistered:

Dagmar: http://pastebin.ca/361869

[11:41:03]

Dagmar:

oh freaky

[11:41:08]

Dagmar:

I definitely need to eat

[11:41:13]

notregistered:

Go eat

[11:41:19]

Dagmar:

It took me a moment to realize lines 1 and 8 were YOU typing

[11:41:23]

notregistered:

lol

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Dagmar:

Yeah lemme eat so I'll be able to make snese of this. heh

[11:41:35]

notregistered:

yea the cron and the init script

[11:41:42]

Dagmar:

Good thinking on that BTW

[11:41:47]

notregistered:

I shall be here just holler my name

[11:45:51]

benlake:

stuarta: ugh. full verbosity has revealed a minor glitch in my lircrc file which has revealed that the frontend is indeed looking in the right directory and should be locating the mysql.txt file

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stuarta:

hmmm

[11:46:24]

benlake:

stuarta: which I fully believe it is doing because it says it connects and all is well.

[11:46:45]

benlake:

stuarta: but it insists on asking my my language pref and DB settings anyway! Poop!

[11:47:15]

benlake:

of which these settings aren't selectable via the remote for some odd reason

[11:47:45]

stuarta:

since you have full logging on, go through it and see if it has trouble updating or getting that info from the database

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[11:53:30]

benlake:

wow MythTV does an assload of queries

[11:54:30]

psm321:

your hostname isn't changing between reboots is it?

[11:55:50]

benlake:

psm321: you talking to me?

[11:56:30]

benlake:

psm321: if so, no

[11:56:56]

psm321:

k

[11:57:11]

benlake:

I'm out for the morning... now that it's 6AM... very annoying issue, cheers mates

[11:57:50]

Dagmar:

It *sounds* like maybe it's not reaching the database for some reason

[11:58:13]

Dagmar:

I knwo when I've been abusing the database and forgot to restore the backup it puts me through that mess

[11:58:18]

benlake:

define 'reaching'

[11:58:26]

benlake:

cause the frontend starts just fine

[11:58:43]

Dagmar:

...as in it's not able to get the fields from the database that would tell it what language you want

[11:58:46]

benlake:

after it makes me select my language pref and sometime the DB connect settings

[11:58:50]

notregistered:

that was fast Dagmar

[11:58:53]

notregistered:

Do you chew?

[11:59:03]

benlake:

well it asks language first, then DB connect info

[11:59:14]

Dagmar:

notregistered: No, I just got back and the CircleK isn't but a quarter-mile away from here

[11:59:22]

benlake:

so I'd guess it hasn't connected yet to get language info

[11:59:34]

stuarta:

even tho it should

[11:59:45]

Dagmar:

It's possible that it's reading the wrong mysql.txt

[12:00:00]

stuarta:

locate mysql.txt

[12:00:00]

Dagmar:

...although I'd be more inclined to believe in hostname problems

[12:00:02]

benlake:

but it has the DB info and all the debug info says nothing of not being able to connect

[12:00:26]

benlake:

hostname? wha?

[12:00:31]

Dagmar:

...or that perhaps you actually put something in the "unique host identifier" field in the setup setuff

[12:00:34]

Dagmar:

hostname

[12:00:38]

Dagmar:

like /bin/hostname

[12:00:53]

benlake:

yeah, it's fixed

[12:00:53]

Dagmar:

All the DB configuration data is stored tied to the hostname of the machine

[12:01:37]

Dagmar:

So you see an actual name that matches [a-zA-Z][a-zA-Z0–9]* with no dots in it when you run /bin/hostname?

[12:01:52]

benlake:

um, yep

[12:01:59]

Dagmar:

Okay, so that's out then

[12:02:42]

Dagmar:

notregistered: when you do an `su – mythtv` to change to the mysql user and then run `mythfilldatabase --quiet` what happens?

[12:03:24]

Dagmar:

I'm still working from the statement you made earlier about geting the authentication error when you run the cron script

[12:03:30]

Dagmar:

Most of the other people were getting it when they ran the init scirpt

[12:03:57]

Dagmar:

mythfilldatabase is definitely one of the parts that doesn't need X running.

[12:04:04]

Dagmar:

I don't think I've ever run it when X *was* running actually

[12:04:19]

benlake:

I could update the whole system and see what happens :P hahah

[12:04:29]

notregistered:

same error when im user mythtv

[12:04:45]

Dagmar:

Okay, that's kinda wack. One second while I check something

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notregistered:

kk

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Dagmar:

notregistered: Okay, I think we can safely say they've done something insane when building the binaries

[12:07:13]

Dagmar:

Take a look at http://www.pastebin.ca/361892

[12:07:38]

Dagmar:

I have deliberately set DISPLAY to something ludicrous here, which basically would prevent even xterm from launching

[12:08:05]

stuarta:

that's nuts

[12:08:07]

notregistered:

hmm

[12:08:08]

Dagmar:

ldd on mythfilldatabase shows a whole ton of libraries being pulled in that probably dont' need to be

[12:08:24]

Dagmar:

...but mine aren't lunging at the X server at least

[12:08:46]

Dagmar:

stuarta: I really think we need to find out who maintains the Edgy binaries and have a talk with them

[12:09:00]

Dagmar:

Get them to hang out in here for a week to see the fruits of their labor in action

[12:09:01]

stuarta:

with a very large trout

[12:09:33]

notregistered:

Have there been alot of people to get the same error?

[12:10:05]

Dibblah:

Err... This sounds like the normal problem to me...

[12:10:18]

stuarta:

PEBCAK????

[12:10:37]

Dibblah:

ie it's running with ~ being /

[12:11:02]

Dibblah:

... Since it's running from cron, which is launched without an interactive environment.

[12:11:07]

notregistered:

any known fixes?

[12:11:37]

stuarta:

scripts run from cron need to setup their own environment

[12:11:38]

Dagmar:

notregistered: Like I was saying earlier, about three nights out of five someone is in here over that

[12:11:51]

notregistered:

:(

[12:12:00]

stuarta:

hack the script.

[12:12:08]

notregistered:

pfft

[12:12:09]

Dibblah:

I do the belts and braces approach.

[12:12:14]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: Yeah, but he is getting the session authetication message _when he runs the thing from a normal, interactive, properly formed shell_

[12:12:23]

Dibblah:

source /etc/profile;export -a

[12:12:32]

Dagmar:

`su – mythtv` should get him set up as if he'd just logged in as mythtv user directly.

[12:12:46]

Dibblah:

su – -l -c /usr/local/bin/mythfilldatabase --quiet

[12:12:49]

Dagmar:

I can kill off X here and it still runs

[12:14:20]

notregistered:

su – -l -c /usr/local/bin/mythfilldatabase --quiet dosent work

[12:14:58]

Dagmar:

Same message?

[12:15:34]

notregistered:

su: unrecognized option `--quiet'

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Dagmar:

I almost want to say run it under strace

[12:15:39]

Dagmar:

Oh. Heh

[12:16:05]

Dagmar:

Maybe put those last two arguments in one set of "'s

[12:16:21]

stuarta:

su – -l -c "/usr/local/bin/mythfilldatabase --quiet" :)

[12:16:21]

Dagmar:

...or just leave out --quiet

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notregistered:

overload@workstation:~$ sudo su -l -c "/usr/bin/mythfilldatabase --quiet"

[12:16:28]

notregistered:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

[12:16:28]

notregistered:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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stuarta:

mysql is running i assume?

[12:16:45]

Dagmar:

Okay. There' a problem right there.

[12:16:50]

Dagmar:

Don't do `sudo su`

[12:17:04]

Dagmar:

sudo is for when you want to run a particular command as root.

[12:17:14]

notregistered:

That means I have to set a root pw :/

[12:17:16]

Dagmar:

su is for when you want to run a particular commmand as a different uid.

[12:17:32]

Dagmar:

You should never need to use them both

[12:17:44]

Dagmar:

notregistered: It's easy to disable it when you're done

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notregistered:

overload@workstation:~$ su -l -c "/usr/bin/mythfilldatabase --quiet"

[12:17:56]

notregistered:

Password:

[12:17:56]

notregistered:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

[12:17:56]

notregistered:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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Dagmar:

Okay. That's a wee bit crazy

[12:19:08]

adante:

mheyy where dyou go in myth to change the contrast/brightness again? this is for dvb

[12:19:19]

Dibblah:

Err... That's assuming you run Myth as root.

[12:19:40]

Dibblah:

If you don't you need someone else in the su line.

[12:20:51]

notregistered:

Dagmar: I stoped the backend with /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop

[12:20:58]

notregistered:

and startred it again and got no error

[12:21:03]

Dibblah:

Or, just copy mysql.txt into somewhere global ;)

[12:21:18]

notregistered:

but when I ran su -l -c "/usr/bin/mythfilldatabase --quiet" I got the same error

[12:21:34]

Dagmar:

Do you have X running now?

[12:21:39]

notregistered:

Always

[12:21:52]

Dibblah:

What makes you think this is an X error?

[12:22:09]

Dagmar:

Okay, so you're solving the problem of your car appearing to need a chicken on the hood, by strapping a chicken to the hood.

[12:22:19]

notregistered:

?

[12:22:35]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: Lemme dig up his original pastebin

[12:22:40]

notregistered:

Whats this have to do with my car and a chicken?

[12:22:54]

Dagmar:

Your car doesn't normally need a chicken to run, right?

[12:22:57]

Dibblah:

Nothing whatsoever.

[12:23:00]

notregistered:

Sure dosent

[12:23:01]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: http://pastebin.com/883584

[12:23:09]

Dibblah:

But everything has to be related to cars.

[12:23:12]

notregistered:

Sounds like voodoo to me

[12:23:12]

Dagmar:

notregistered: mythfilldatabse doesn't need X to work

[12:23:22]

notregistered:

Im not saying it does

[12:23:34]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: Am I mistaken or isn't that an X authentication error?

[12:24:46]

Dagmar:

notregisterd: And you would be right in saying it doesn't need X to work

[12:25:08]

Dibblah:

libICE

[12:25:41]

Dagmar:

That's X, yeh

[12:25:53]

Dibblah:

So yes. Odd.

[12:26:01]

Dagmar:

Bizarre is what I call it

[12:26:41]

Dagmar:

lol cnn interviewing the hair stylist who ran the shop where she shaved her head

[12:28:04]

notregistered:

:(

[12:28:53]

Dagmar:

I'll bet Spears is enjoying this by now.

[12:29:26]

Dagmar:

These people are all acting like her head opened up and a team of circus midgets crawled out, because she (OMGNOEZ) shaved her head.

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Dagmar:

It's just too funny

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Dagmar:

I'm kinda hoping this next build run will come out with fewer libraries linked in after I've added -W,--as-needed

[12:32:56]

notregistered:

Her shaving her head is kinda funny

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Dagmar:

Maybe I'm biased because I've known a number of girls who had shaved heads, but I'm thinking these people are all crazy

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v juski

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notregistered:

na nothing wrong with girls shaving there heads

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stuarta:

afternoon juski

[12:33:53]

Dagmar:

You would think shampoo was the cornerstone of the economy

[12:33:56]

notregistered:

Just the fact that princess there did it

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juski:

afternoon stuarta, all

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** juski wonders if he's accidentally wandered into #myspaz **

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Dagmar:

juski: More ubunut fun tonight.

[12:34:56]

juski:

ubunut fun? we going out into the street to burn cds? ;)

[12:35:19]

Dagmar:

No, notregistered there has helped isolate things to the binaries being insane

[12:35:21]

stuarta:

might be quite theraputic

[12:35:35]

juski:

gah mythbackend pooed its pants again

[12:35:44]

Dagmar:

http://pastebin.com/883584 showing the running of /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend giving that authentication error...

[12:36:02]

notregistered:

yea they need someone new to package mythtv for ubuntu

[12:36:04]

Dagmar:

...and http://pastebin.com/883587 showing the contents of it and the init script for the backend

[12:36:13]

juski:

last thing in the log: 2007-02–18 01:37:53.327 Started PESPacket, but !payloadStart()

[12:36:14]

Dagmar:

We need to contact the person doing those binaries

[12:36:33]

Dagmar:

I literally can NOT get my binaries to screw up like that

[12:36:49]

notregistered:

I need to lay down for a little bit

[12:36:53]

Dagmar:

Dude is doing something weird either to what he's building, or the Qt libs it has are fatally broken

[12:37:10]

juski:

I'm gonna book a couple of days off work & put ubunut in the bin. this didn't fscking happen on gentoo

[12:37:10]

notregistered:

I got my labret pierced the other day and all this listerene is killing me

[12:37:33]

Dagmar:

Is that a euphemism for "fix it"?

[12:38:50]

juski:

hmm how would one 'fix' ubunut?

[12:38:55]

Dagmar:

I dunno.

[12:39:22]

juski:

exactly. so it's gonna go byebyes

[12:39:24]

Dagmar:

Maube get the guy who is building the MythTV packages for it to take LD_FLAGS="-W,--link-in-crazy-shit" out of his build environment?

[12:39:47]

juski:

I built from source, so er... I dunno

[12:40:03]

Dagmar:

I can't figure out how he built the things to make them behave like this

[12:40:14]

juski:

I might just try going to a newer -fixes of course

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notregistered:

ok i gotta lay down or im going to fall asleep right here

[12:41:07]

notregistered:

Thanks for helping out guys

[12:41:12]

Dagmar:

no problem

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notregistered:

If you have anything you want me to try when I get back just msg it to me

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Dagmar:

k

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juski:

I mean I'd build it with debugging enabled but the backend is taking *days* to fall over

[12:42:54]

** gardengnome waves at madame d'surreal and at juski **

[12:44:12]

juski:

coooeeee gardengnome

[12:45:04]

Dagmar:

madame?

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: your name sounds female-ish french.

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** stuarta chuckles **

[12:46:18]

Dagmar:

Don't make me serve you up a nice pie covered in penis-whip

[12:46:20]

juski:

so we both hate ubunut. won't be long before more join us :)

[12:46:34]

Dagmar:

hooly

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gardengnome:

of all distros, i dislike ubuntu the least

[12:46:51]

Dagmar:

I was going to do a Google search for a picture of me and found some stuff on speakeasy.org still live

[12:46:58]

Dagmar:

I cancelled my account with them like four years ago

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juski:

time to eat :)

[12:48:08]

Dagmar:

I've never seen an ISP be so relaxed about deleting old users' webspace

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hardnova:

i have run out of ideas cant get a connection to the back end it seems , im just not having any luck with this

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hardnova:

just keeps crashing the mythbackend

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stuarta:

Dagmar: now the BBC have started on No Hair Brittany

[12:58:38]

gardengnome:

stuarta: is it really true? i thought i was just fake news because i saw it in a not-quite-reputable news paper

[12:59:40]

Dagmar:

It's true

[12:59:45]

Dagmar:

People are going apesnort about it

[12:59:56]

gardengnome:

she probably wanted it to match her crotch *shrug*

[12:59:58]

Dagmar:

It's not like there's not tons of models who aren't bald and wear wigs all the time or something

[13:00:39]

Dagmar:

Hm... I found a pic of me online, but I'm going to have to ask that it be taken down

[13:00:49]

Dagmar:

You guys would defintiely take it the wrong way

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Dagmar:

heh

[13:01:23]

gardengnome:

is it on some porn site?

[13:01:29]

Dagmar:

I *wish*

[13:02:33]

hardnova:

needing some expert help here i thing

[13:02:41]

hardnova:

think

[13:03:48]

gardengnome:

hardnova: feel nfree to ask anything about shaved heads or embarrassing pictures.

[13:04:24]

hardnova:

gardengnome ??

[13:04:27]

stuarta:

topic what topic :)

[13:04:32]

Dagmar:

heheh

[13:06:12]

Dagmar:

http://www.mchawking.com/multimedia.php?page_function=picturez <-- sixth picture down

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Dagmar:

The identity of the DJ is definitelt *not* unknown.

[13:07:02]

gardengnome:

looks male to me, indeed.

[13:07:16]

gardengnome:

anyways, 'Dagmar' is a female name here in germany. ;)

[13:07:46]

juski:

Dagmar was the name of a pub in Eastenders ;)

[13:07:55]

Dagmar:

yes, well, here in the US it's whatever gender the man with the leather biker jacket, jack boots, and shooter's gloves syas it is. ;)

[13:08:59]

** gardengnome makes a mental note that dagmar is not a hawt unix chick and moves on with life **

[13:09:40]

Dagmar:

Well, if that's how you're going to go about it...

[13:09:52]

hardnova:

its broken gawd its supose to be easier the second time

[13:10:25]

gardengnome:

hardnova: did you actually ask a question?

[13:10:30]

Dagmar:

He hasn't yet.

[13:10:33]

Dagmar:

I've been waiting.

[13:10:52]

Dagmar:

If you think I'm a girl, this should really get you going... my girlfriend: http://www.myspace.com/opheria

[13:11:24]

hardnova:

what can i ask ?

[13:11:34]

Dagmar:

Anything that doesn't involve goats.

[13:11:45]

hardnova:

ok how about how do i debug the backend crashing ?

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Dagmar:

Start by looking at the last few things it wrote to it's logs

[13:13:03]

Dagmar:

Should be like /var/log/mythbackend.log or something

[13:13:08]

hardnova:

maybe this _>

[13:13:09]

hardnova:

ChannelBase(2) Error: InitializeInputs():

[13:13:10]

hardnova:

Could not get inputs for the capturecard.

[13:13:10]

hardnova:

Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video

[13:13:10]

hardnova:

sources to your card's inputs?

[13:13:19]

Dagmar:

So did you do that in mythtv-setup?

[13:13:22]

stuarta:

maybe you should use a pastebin

[13:19:07]

Dagmar:

So... did you bind a video source to the inputs in mythtv-setup or not?

[13:19:46]

** stuarta wonders if that's the ticket he took 3 days ago... **

[13:20:11]

hardnova:

yes i believe i have

[13:21:26]

Dagmar:

hardnova: It thinks you didn't.

[13:21:45]

hardnova:

can you help me work through that ?

[13:21:58]

Dagmar:

I'm beginning to suspect that maybe your database files have the wrong permissions

[13:22:31]

Dagmar:

Or that you're starting stuff up with the wrong uid

[13:23:40]

hardnova:

hmmm yea maybe thats is it the uid i may have messed that up will check that

[13:24:02]

Dagmar:

I might be a little off in a few places, but I've been of the impression that the uid you are currently using is what it's going to try passing to the various mysql clients

[13:24:35]

Dagmar:

So like, if you do stuff as a uid other than the mythtv user (if you're using that, I'm lazy and just use root) it's pretty easy for things to get mucked up

[13:25:46]

hardnova:

no seems im "mythtv" user , it starts from init 5 and calls a autologin on ttyE7 starts frontend from there

[13:29:08]

hardnova:

hostname seems to be right going back to the 127.0.0.1 as was sugested

[13:30:30]

hardnova:

in a pinch i can boot back into fc4 and all works fine but that is on a seperate drive so the configuration is different

[13:30:36]

Dagmar:

huh?

[13:30:44]

Dagmar:

Are you talking about host _resolution_?

[13:30:56]

Dagmar:

RUnning /bin/hostname should return an actual name. Never a number.

[13:31:16]

hardnova:

yes it retuns the name

[13:31:27]

Dagmar:

...and what is that name, just to be certain it's not something crazy

[13:31:44]

hardnova:

mythtv.internal.lan

[13:31:58]

Dagmar:

No, that's a fully-qualified domain name (FQDN)

[13:32:18]

Dagmar:

If running /bin/hostname with no arguments (default should be -s) is returning that, it's probably what's causing your problem

[13:33:07]

hardnova:

hostname -s returns just mythtv

[13:33:49]

hardnova:

hostname returns mythtv.internal.lan

[13:34:05]

Dagmar:

Okay, shucks.

[13:34:14]

hardnova:

oviously my default isnt -s

[13:34:39]

stuarta:

ho-hum, you remeber you need to use ip addresses no hostnames in the configs don't you ???

[13:34:59]

hardnova:

yea i have ip's

[13:35:28]

Dagmar:

stuarta: The only thing I can think of would be a tangle with that unique-host-identifier function

[13:35:59]

stuarta:

i'd go over the input connections in mythtv-setup again just to be sure...

[13:36:49]

hardnova:

maybe i can do the database and start over

[13:50:39]

hardnova:

this is screwed

[13:51:30]

Dagmar:

Well, it's definitely easy enough to blow away the database and reinitialize it

[13:52:16]

hardnova:

yea how do i do that ?

[13:52:40]

Dagmar:

Well, shut down the mysql server first (because otherwise this will make it go NUTS) and then rm -rf /var/lib/mysql/*

[13:52:46]

Dagmar:

...assuming the databases are in there

[13:53:10]

Dagmar:

The /var/lib/mysql directory should still be owned by the mysqld user.

[13:53:30]

Dagmar:

Then run (as root) mysql_install_db

[13:54:10]

Dagmar:

...and then assuming your packages put mc.sql in the expected place, run ` mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql

[13:54:44]

hardnova:

yep ok hang 5 something different is happening

[13:55:32]

hardnova:

still takes an incredibly long time to start the x session

[13:55:38]

Dagmar:

huh?

[13:55:43]

Dagmar:

Why are you starting X for this?

[13:55:57]

hardnova:

no just testing something

[13:55:59]

Dagmar:

None of this stuff should need X, aside from mythtv-setup

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hardnova:

hmmm got a connection i think

[14:01:20]

hardnova:

alot of errors on the backend but it seems to connect

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hardnova:

-> MythSocket(88ac20:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket. ????

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hardnova:

think im much closer now :)

[14:03:50]

hardnova:

but i may start over on the database anyways

[14:12:56]

hardnova:

on another question is the fade in menu new ? in version 20 ?

[14:13:05]

Dagmar:

Yep

[14:14:07]

hardnova:

do you like it ?

[14:14:17]

Dagmar:

It's tolerable.

[14:14:32]

Dagmar:

It looks nice when it "works" with a theme, and it doesn't detract from it in otehr cases.

[14:14:35]

hardnova:

very diplomatic answer

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hardnova:

:)

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anykey:

Hm. Someone knows if a AMD64 3200+ AM2 CPU will be capable of playing back MPEG-4 content?

[14:15:36]

hardnova:

yes it should

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hardnova:

anykey it should be no problem

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gardengnome:

unless it's h.264 HDTV ;)

[14:16:16]

anykey:

gardengnome: what would I need for that? :-p

[14:16:23]

hardnova:

anykey thats what i use

[14:16:50]

Dagmar:

anykey: ....and even h.264 should be getting close to possible now

[14:17:06]

hardnova:

gardengnome there is no problem even if it was h.264

[14:17:32]

anykey:

I want to be able to play back h.264... so you think it works, *without* xvmc

[14:17:33]

Dagmar:

hardnova: Well, the lib needed is a bit CPU-happy still

[14:17:35]

gardengnome:

hardnova: why does mplayer choke on said content on my core 2 duo 1.83GHz? :)

[14:17:38]

hardnova:

I guess it depends on what the rest of the system is doing

[14:17:50]

gardengnome:

anykey: xvmc will only do mpeg2 AFAIR

[14:17:54]

anykey:

ah ok

[14:18:22]

janneg:

hardnova: IBTD 20mbit/s 1080p is to much for ffmpeg's h264 decoder

[14:18:37]

gardengnome:

though some new VIA chipsets support MPEG-4 acceleration, i dunno how that's presented to applications. it's probably xvmc as well.

[14:19:16]

hardnova:

gardengnome mplayer is crap maybe

[14:19:23]

anykey:

So what would I need to be sure that it will play back h.264 @ 1080i? I don't want to end up with a new motherboard,ram & cpu and a system incapable of playing h264 ;-)

[14:19:58]

gardengnome:

hardnova: it's using the ffmpeg decoder. recent svn checkouts of mplayer work much better, though.

[14:20:07]

Dagmar:

...and XvMC

[14:20:12]

janneg:

gardengnome: it doesn't help that much according to the openchrome devs

[14:20:41]

gardengnome:

janneg: ah, another great hardware product made by via. ic.

[14:20:46]

Dagmar:

Yep

[14:20:53]

hardnova:

tried VLC ?

[14:21:22]

janneg:

hardnova: that wouldn't make much difference. they use the same decoder

[14:22:58]

hardnova:

you have me querious to give this a go now but as im in the middle of something i think its on the latter on list

[14:23:00]

gardengnome:

anykey: i had overclocked my conroe to 2330MHz. it worked much better then, but i actually can't remember if it was completely OK. i guess the beginning of my test sample is also broken.

[14:23:29]

anykey:

gardengnome: did you use both cores?

[14:23:38]

hardnova:

yea where do i get a sample ?/

[14:23:48]

anykey:

hardnova: apple has some quicktime trailers I think

[14:24:08]

gardengnome:

anykey: it just let mplayer do its job. dunno if it uses both cores.

[14:24:21]

anykey:

hm

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janneg:

anykey: any athlon64 X2 or Core 2 duo should be capable once the h264 decoder is parallelized

[14:25:10]

gardengnome:

anykey: there's also a way to use the CoreAVC codec in linux, it's supposed to be much faster. i woudn't want to depend on it, though, since it's closed source.

[14:25:43]

anykey:

janneg: So I should wait a bit..

[14:26:51]

janneg:

wait for that?

[14:27:08]

anykey:

jip

[14:27:24]

anykey:

or will that take ages and I better go for a high clocked amd64?

[14:28:58]

hardnova:

just get a geforce 7 series or greater has H.264 hardware decoding

[14:29:21]

janneg:

hardnova: purevido isn't available for linux

[14:29:21]

anykey:

hardnova: does that work with mythtv? I dont thik so

[14:29:24]

gardengnome:

hardnova: that's not gonna work in linux.

[14:30:02]

hardnova:

why not ?

[14:30:02]

hardnova:

its hardware decoding

[14:30:09]

gardengnome:

i wonder if the GPU does have to have special capabilities for purevideo or if it's just some fancy shader program.

[14:30:14]

gardengnome:

hardnova: no driver support.

[14:30:38]

hardnova:

oh thats a buggar

[14:30:41]

hardnova:

man my fish have just gone mental

[14:33:02]

Dagmar:

AHA

[14:33:03]

Dagmar:

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/55827

[14:33:24]

Dagmar:

Maybe we need to start telling people to delete their ~/.qt directories

[14:33:46]

Dagmar:

...although personally I think "This is normal syntax" is just so much bullshit

[14:35:14]

Dagmar:

wrox: It's been going on a couple weeks now. I found https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/55827 which basically outlines what's happening for numerous people, but frankly "This is normal syntax" sounds like a load of cr*p to me

[14:39:15]

hardnova:

~/.qt ?

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Dagmar:

Heck if I know.

[14:40:27]

Dagmar:

Mine's empty

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hardnova:

quicktime ?

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hardnova:

oh i have .qt dirs

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Dagmar:

it's nothing to do with QuickTime

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hardnova:

something to do with kde

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Milosch:

or some other crap ;)

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!trout eitfixups everything does not belong in the subtitle

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** MythLogBot slaps eitfixups with a everything does not belong in the subtitle trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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hardnova:

whats beagled and do i need it for myth ?

[15:39:03]

stuarta:

some new fandangled indexing crap unnecessary piece of shit

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Dagmar:

Ya don't need it for Myth

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Dagmar:

I'm not even sure if myth *could* benefit from it

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monkeyBox:

Hi all. I'm using a PCHDTV tuner to watch LiveTV, and when I watch TV in mythtv, the video and audio is very choppy (the audio sounds like a broken record). When I watch it in mplayer (using dvb://), it looks and sounds perfect. Why would this be happening? A bug in myth?

[15:56:25]

drnoone:

hi! I'm having problems with the tv guide. It used to work ok, but now after doing mythfilldatabase doesn't show all the updated days although I can see them on the mysql program table

[15:56:48]

ctjctj:

monkeyBox, When you watch with mplayer you are running one process to decode an mpeg stream taken from the card.

[15:56:57]

janneg:

monkeyBox: try to play the recorded files with mplayer

[15:57:50]

ctjctj:

monkeyBox, when you are using mythtv, you are recording that stream to disk and then playing it back. Try recording something and then playing back that recording. It could be that your computer doesn't have enough go power to handle the two different tasks at the same time.

[15:58:51]

monkeyBox:

ctjctj, I have a pentium core-2 duo 1.8 ghz w/ 1GB ram. Does that not seem like enough??

[15:59:36]

ctjctj:

monkeyBox, yes. And hopefully your disk is fast enough and the rest of the load on your system is low enough. But it is more likely to be a local problem than a myth problem.

[15:59:41]

monkeyBox:

ctjctj, I've also been compiling things while watching channels through mplayer, and it didn't slow down a bit. even w/ HD.

[16:00:10]

ctjctj:

monkeyBox, Coolness. Have you tried playing back any recordings? Both with mplayer and with mythtv?

[16:00:13]

monkeyBox:

ctjctj, It looks like I'm able to record and watch separately, without problems.

[16:00:52]

ctjctj:

With out doing math and without knowing your system, have you verified you have the disk bandwidth to support both at the same time?

[16:01:42]

monkeyBox:

ctjctj, not sure. I have a regular IDE hard drive, can't remember the RPMS. how do I tell what I need?

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ctjctj:

Does this happen on SD channels or just HD channels?

[16:02:24]

janneg:

monkeyBox: then try to pause live tv for a couple of seconds. after unpausing playback should be fine

[16:02:48]

monkeyBox:

ctjctj, happens on all channels, SD and HD.

[16:02:55]

ctjctj:

janneg, thanks for the rescue. I was running out of ideas.

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monkeyBox:

I'm getting this error alot in mythfrontend output: WriteAudio: buffer underrun

[16:06:58]

monkeyBox:

janneg, I tried pausing livetv for about 10 seconds. no difference after unpausing.

[16:07:10]

monkeyBox:

sounds like a scratched CD :-p

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monkeyBox:

lemme try playing back a recorded stream w/ mplayer...

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monkeyBox:

or...

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hardnova:

is there a list of daemons that i stop that myth doesnt need ?

[16:12:46]

monkeyBox:

hardnova, probably better to find out what mythtv _needs_ and disable everything you don't need. :-) Mythtv only needs mythbackend & mysql

[16:13:55]

hardnova:

yea

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monkeyBox:

ctjctj, janneg: What process should I look for while mythtv is recording? I'm looking to see CPU usage...

[16:15:19]

ctjctj:

Mythbackend

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brandon:

If I have a myth compiled with native lirc support and I have a lircrc file that contains myth, xine, and irxevents does the file have to be placed in .mythtv/lircrc and stripped of anything but mythtv events? Or can I leave the .lircrc at ~/.lircrc and have things work correctly? I can't get myth to receive any lirc events even when irw is working.

[16:15:51]

monkeyBox:

mythbackend is only using 3.4% cpu for recording...

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monkeyBox:

And playback is only using 13%

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monkeyBox:

so, I guess, logically, my CPU should be fine

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ctjctj:

Try running vmstat 5 instead of top and see what the measurements are.

[16:18:25]

stuarta:

monkeyBox: try playing a recording with mplayer

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monkeyBox:

doh I wish I could sort files by date/time using "ls"

[16:19:45]

ctjctj:

ls -t

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ctjctj:

ls -lt for long time sorted

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monkeyBox:

cool

[16:20:35]

monkeyBox:

yeah, playback w/ mplayer works fine too

[16:20:59]

monkeyBox:

so, I can record fine, and playback fine. The only thing that doesn't work is both at the same time.

[16:21:18]

stuarta:

whatabout playback of recordings. ie. not livetv

[16:21:48]

monkeyBox:

stuarta, yeah, playback of recordings works fine in mythtv.

[16:21:57]

monkeyBox:

it's just when watching livetv

[16:22:27]

monkeyBox:

doh. I gotta run. wifee's calling :-p bad timing.

[16:22:44]

stuarta:

did it work okay after doing pause / count to 3 / unpause as janne suggested?

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ctjctj:

What controls the font size within mythtvfront end? I'm having problems with the text being cut off. I tried downgrading to FC2 fonts from FD 6 standard installed fonts. Things like the AM/PM in schedules over write the next field. And in the guide text is cut off at the bottom as it tries to overlap into the next channels box.

[16:29:44]

Mixx:

all of a sudden my video card is not able to be probed or initialized after months of everything working fine. THe only change I've made is moving my system from one partition to antoher. any ideas?

[16:31:33]

ctjctj:

do you have that test software made by microsoft to see if their test software can see and recongize the card?

[16:31:47]

ctjctj:

(windows0

[16:32:31]

hardnova:

edit your xorg.conf under the device section add -> Option "DPI" "100 x 100"

[16:33:13]

ctjctj:

*blinks* Ok. That sounds very logical. Thanks.

[16:34:48]

ctjctj:

is it DPI "100x100" or Option "DPI" "100x100"?

[16:35:29]

hardnova:

the latter i believe

[16:36:03]

hardnova:

-> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/NVidiaPr . . . e_monitor.21

[16:37:42]

Dagmar:

With solid tokens it doesn't much matter

[16:38:16]

ctjctj:

hardnova, I'm making the change then I'll have to go upstairs to check on the backend.

[16:38:16]

hardnova:

sloid tokens ?

[16:38:31]

Dagmar:

strings containing nothing that could be construed as any kind of whitespace

[16:38:53]

hardnova:

the font

[16:38:59]

Dagmar:

LIkeThisIsASolidToken, but-this-might-not-be "and this is definitely not one wihtout quotes around it"

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ctjctj:

Dagmar, hardnova the problem was that I had a line wrap and my eye missed the "option" part in hardnova's fix. But realized it looked wrong when editing the xorg.conf file. So asked a question that had already been answered. My bad. Sorry.

[16:40:33]

Dagmar:

Largely it's just easier to put quotes around everything that's a configuration item.

[16:41:31]

hardnova:

so did that help the font issue ?

[16:42:16]

Dagmar:

You'll generally know right away

[16:42:32]

Dagmar:

if xdpyinfo doesn't say "100 x 100" you get to try something else

[16:42:48]

Dagmar:

There's multiple ways that it can be specified.

[16:43:01]

Dagmar:

I only recommend using DisplaySize because it works for every version of X I know about

[16:43:21]

Dagmar:

Using the DPI option definitely involves less poking at a calculator.

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ctjctj:

no, it did not help the font issue.

[16:47:59]

Dagmar:

Does (while X is running) xdpyinfo say the display is 100x100 DPI?

[16:48:02]

ctjctj:

I did fix it via going to setupt->setup->apearence and in the page where it says "font size" changing it from default to small

[16:48:18]

hardnova:

dpi 400x400 actualy worked for me

[16:48:21]

hardnova:

:P

[16:48:36]

Dagmar:

Yes, well, don't install my themes

[16:49:13]

hardnova:

ok dont do that

[16:49:22]

hardnova:

it dont work every where

[16:49:40]

ctjctj:

Dagmar, Right now I'm still working on basic functionallity. This has got to be wife friendly. So far #1 son has it down pat and wife is looking at it and going "that looks good."

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Dagmar:

Okay, so the "TittyStravaganza" theme might not be for you then

[16:50:30]

harzi:

Hi all

[16:50:53]

Mixx:

can someone point me in the right direction of how to reinstall the ivtv driver in the case where a new kernel is in use? (this is after everything was working perfectly)

[16:51:09]

Mixx:

i just don't want to overwrite anything

[16:51:09]

Dagmar:

"Running xdpyinfo | grep inch should result in resolution: 100x100 dots per inch being displayed in the console."

[16:51:31]

Dagmar:

Mixx: Mainly you just go into the ivtv source directory and hit it with a make clean && make install

[16:51:33]

Dagmar:

HOWEVER

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harzi:

I have a mythtv-backend on debian etch and want to use a xbox as frontend. xbox is running xebian fine and also mythtv-setup runs... unfortunate the database can't connect :( what to do?

[16:51:57]

Dagmar:

If you _upgraded to a higher-numbered kernel_ you'd better go check the website and make sure you still have the appropriate version of ivtv

[16:52:22]

Dagmar:

Above kernel 2.6.17 there's a new minor release of itvt for each micro release of the kernel

[16:52:29]

Dagmar:

s/itvt/ivtv/;

[16:52:43]

Dagmar:

harzi: Check the /topic

[16:53:57]

harzi:

Dagmar: channel wiki?

[16:54:56]

Mixx:

Dagmar – thanks vm, i'll give it a shot. I just installed a bunch of ubuntu patches so I'm not quite sure what has changed

[16:55:12]

Dagmar:

harzi: Specifically, I'm 99% sure what you need is in http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xbox_Frontend

[16:55:41]

harzi:

Dagmar: ok, i check it

[16:55:45]

Dagmar:

harzi: It should practically leap out and bite your nose when you see what I'm talking about

[16:56:29]

Dagmar:

harzi: I'm pretty sure you skipped something particular in installation step 3

[16:56:46]

Dagmar:

You might have missed other things, so go through it carefully

[16:58:16]

brandon:

#lirc is dead quiet. Can someone here explain how I can get lirc to send key presses as normal key events? I have the same mappings for myth, xine, and mplayer plus I want to be able to use "esc" to send a ctrl+w to ANY application, eject to force an eject on a certain device and so on.

[16:58:50]

Dagmar:

I don't think you can make it send signals to "any" application

[16:59:08]

Dagmar:

How to make the eject button force an eject is in the lirc docs tho

[16:59:32]

harzi:

Dagmar: i'am not using XBMC, therefore i don't have this mythtvmain.py script

[16:59:33]

brandon:

dagmar: Can't X be configured to see the remote as a keyboard?

[16:59:57]

brandon:

I have X using the pad as a mouse just fine.

[17:00:01]

Dagmar:

harzi: Okay, I'll be blunt.. You probably forgot to tell the database server that it's allowed to accept connections _over the network_

[17:00:16]

Dagmar:

brandon: No.

[17:00:57]

harzi:

Dagmar: i have a frontend working properely on a separate notebook, and yes it was a pain to allow to accept connections

[17:01:42]

Dagmar:

harzi: Okay, in that case fire up tcpdump on the machine hosting the database server so you can see if connections are even coming in. Next step after that would be to turn up logging on the mysql server and see what it thinks the new client is saying

[17:01:55]

Dagmar:

...although I'm thinking you probably just need to tweak the access controls inside mysql

[17:08:02]

brandon:

Does anyone know if there is a window manager that supports lirc? For window tabbing, maximizing, close windows, and so on?

[17:08:22]

Dagmar:

Dude, you really should read the lirc docs

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Dagmar:

It would be able to work about half or more of the window managers out there, had you read the sections that explain how it works.

[17:09:39]

asdfr:

lo all

[17:09:59]

asdfr:

anybody from the UK here?

[17:10:49]

harzi:

Dagmar: on the xbox i get an error "Driver error was [1/1251]" and "does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider updating mysql client"

[17:10:49]

Dagmar:

brandon: Seriously. You're clearly aiming to do some personalized fringe stuff that no one's written canned things for (nor are they likely to, at least not matching what *you* want) but are still mostly possible, *if* you know how to work with these tools.

[17:11:04]

Dagmar:

harzi: DEWM

[17:11:57]

harzi:

Dagmar: tcpdump shows connections from the xbox, how to turn on logging on mysql-server?

[17:12:21]

Dagmar:

Good question

[17:12:29]

harzi:

heh

[17:12:35]

Dagmar:

...but not really one you need to ask if you're getting that particular message

[17:12:52]

Dagmar:

There's only so much difference you can get away with between the client library on the frontend and the server sitting on the backend

[17:12:57]

harzi:

ok, good

[17:13:00]

Dagmar:

You're beyond that limit apparently

[17:13:19]

Mixx:

Dagmar – found these instructions which got me up and working with a reinstalled ivtv driver https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_IVTV_Edgy

[17:13:21]

Dagmar:

You're going to have to change something, and I hope your xbox stuff was compiled with mysql 4.1.x

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aliasd:

hellow

[17:14:01]

hardnova:

yes

[17:14:09]

aliasd:

any way i can tell if i have native lirc support?

[17:14:10]

Dagmar:

Mixx: You're not exactly thrilling me at the moment since I spent an hour or three last night chasing down the source of some of the stupid in the Ubuntu packages

[17:14:26]

Dagmar:

aliasd: run the frontend with --version

[17:14:29]

hardnova:

lol

[17:14:57]

harzi:

Dagmar: 4.1.11 yes...

[17:14:58]

Mixx:

Dagmar – hmm well i hope that helped you in some way then? =)

[17:15:00]

hardnova:

windows managers fluxbox doesnt seem to like multi head configs

[17:15:08]

Dagmar:

harzi: If your xbox stuff was using 4.1 and your backend was using 5.x, you can just change the backend

[17:15:08]

aliasd:

using_lirc

[17:15:11]

** aliasd does a dance **

[17:15:23]

Dagmar:

Mixx: Well, it gave me a URL to point people to who come in here three nights a week with this same dumb problem

[17:15:40]

aliasd:

thanks Dagmar

[17:15:41]

Dagmar:

Mixx: Specifically, the bugtracker for the particular bit of dimwittery that's plaguing them

[17:15:46]

harzi:

Dagmar: backend mysql 5.0.30

[17:16:11]

Mixx:

Dagmar have them start where it says "sudo m-a update,prepare" through "sudo modprobe ivtv" which is all i needed after a kernel install

[17:16:12]

harzi:

Dagmar: and there is a easy way to "downgrade" to 4.1.x?

[17:16:21]

Dagmar:

harzi: I say this because as long as it takes to compile mysql, if you had to change the frontend stuff, you'd have to recompile mysql AND qt

[17:16:32]

Dagmar:

harzi: Possibly.

[17:16:33]

aliasd:

Dagmar) is it unusual for me not to find any channels when i scan?

[17:16:51]

Dagmar:

harzi: The first step would be to use mysqldump mythconverg to flush everything out to a nice, flat text file.

[17:16:59]

Dagmar:

aliasd: Are you in the US?

[17:17:03]

aliasd:

no, au

[17:17:11]

Dagmar:

Then I've no idea, actually.

[17:17:16]

aliasd:

ok

[17:17:26]

Dagmar:

Maybe if you very carefully lifted the computer and TV and turned them upside down...

[17:17:27]

stuarta:

it should find something. trying bumping up the timeouts on the card

[17:17:33]

aliasd:

hopefully i got it figured out

[17:17:58]

aliasd:

its 4am, i got work at 9

[17:18:00]

aliasd:

heh

[17:18:05]

aliasd:

im so screwed

[17:18:18]

Dagmar:

harzi: Once you've got that massive thing, you can safely blow away the actual database files, install 4.1.x, and then use that dump file to restore the database just like when you did the mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql file during the initial setup

[17:19:18]

aliasd:

i bought 2 cheap as tv cards today, with remotes.. had this novel idea it would just work (tm)

[17:20:11]

Dagmar:

hahah

[17:20:17]

Dagmar:

You bought framegrabber cards didn't you

[17:21:26]

aliasd:

analog winfast 2000 xp rms

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aliasd:

hmm.. it cant find my channels, even tho they are programmed in

[17:23:48]

Dagmar:

Yep. You did.

[17:23:57]

Dagmar:

I recommend telling people you were "real high" when you bought those

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aliasd:

will they work tho?

[17:24:37]

Dagmar:

If you don't have about 2.4Ghz of processing power you're not going to be using them both at the same time safely

[17:24:49]

aliasd:

each for seperate boxes

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Dagmar:

Oh

[17:25:14]

Dagmar:

In that case they'll only be really annoying

[17:25:22]

Dagmar:

...but I'd still stick with the "I was high" story.

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Dagmar:

;)

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asdfr:

does anyone know if I can connect mythtv to free digital satellite?

[17:26:26]

Dagmar:

There's free digital satellites?

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asdfr:

yeah

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asdfr:

well, satellite signal

[17:26:50]

asdfr:

in the uk

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Dagmar:

Oh

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stuarta:

yeah if you like shopping channels

[17:27:08]

Dagmar:

Teh freesat stuff

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asdfr:

http://www.freesatfromsky.co.uk/

[17:27:27]

jduggan:

which requires an card to decrypt the channels broadcasted by $ky

[17:27:33]

Dagmar:

I'm looking at the URL now

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asdfr:

I was wondering if it was more likely to get HDTV than freeview ... which looks like it is going to be 10 years away :|

[17:27:47]

Dagmar:

I find it more than a little suspicious they don't show any actual lineups on the side

[17:28:10]

stuarta:

you won't get HDTV without paying on those satellites

[17:28:59]

stuarta:

luckily for us, the broadcasters have said to oftcom they would rather have a few HD channels than more crap ones.

[17:29:06]

Dagmar:

Definitely won't be any free porno on there.

[17:29:08]

jduggan:

they're free to air but you still need to get a card from $ky to receive them

[17:29:12]

asdfr:

lol

[17:29:13]

jduggan:

i believe

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stuarta:

Free To View. ie. requires a free card

[17:29:47]

jduggan:

stuarta: yea, none worth watching though

[17:29:53]

jduggan:

:o

[17:29:56]

stuarta:

Free To Air. truely free

[17:29:58]

Dagmar:

From what their website says you just buy the hardware for about 150lbs and you get the hardware you need to watch all ~120 crappy channels

[17:30:27]

stuarta:

hehe lbs != pounds

[17:30:31]

asdfr:

I also wonder whether there will be less compression artefacts than freeview has....

[17:30:51]

Dagmar:

So long as they think they can get people to upgrade to the for-pay service, yes.

[17:31:05]

Dagmar:

You're not dealing with the BBC anymore.

[17:31:19]

asdfr:

*really wants a mythtv box, but doesn't want to be stuck with poor picture quality and even worse radio quality :(

[17:31:20]

Dagmar:

$ky is an *American*-style broadcaster.

[17:31:48]

asdfr:

yeah, very suspicious company

[17:31:55]

Dagmar:

So like, sometime soon, on alternating tuesdays you may have to pay extra to see all seven primary colors

[17:32:16]

asdfr:

lol

[17:32:31]

Dagmar:

They are also likely to begin running half-screen animated adverts for other programs immediately before and after commercial breaks.

[17:32:37]

Dagmar:

...with sound, mind you.

[17:32:57]

asdfr:

with analogue satellite it was possible to receive European channels too... doesn't that happen any more? :(

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asdfr:

ach.. if only all this were simple

[17:34:40]

immolo:

you are supposed to be able to pick up all the BBC channels though out Europe so I guess so

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Dagmar:

Now that an american-style cable broadcaster is entering the EU market, expect to lose all those semi-porn italian shows

[17:35:29]

asdfr:

lol

[17:35:34]

Dagmar:

We have to pay extra for everything like that here, and soon so shall you guys

[17:35:40]

Dagmar:

In the interests of "Decency"

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asdfr:

german daytime tv will be pay per view ;)

[17:36:06]

Dagmar:

Cuz tittles are evil unless there's a 900 number or SMS address involved.

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aliasd:

hmm

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aliasd:

all i see is green with static at the top

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aliasd:

and lirc is still not working :(

[17:48:33]

asdfr:

I've found some stuff about BBC HDTV independent of sky... further down in this thread: http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=197446

[17:49:10]

hardnova:

lirc is great isnt it

[17:49:45]

Dagmar:

Once you get the laser targeting system working it's great

[17:50:04]

erazor:

hello

[17:50:41]

asdfr:

hi erazor

[17:50:53]

erazor:

how is everyone today?

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Dagmar:

Itching to get the f' out of this office

[17:52:47]

Dagmar:

12-hour shifts are teh sucktasticals

[17:52:54]

erazor:

harcore Dagmar, working on a sunday..

[17:53:23]

asdfr:

erazor, it doesn't look like he's working :P

[17:53:40]

erazor:

hah, asdfr.. you're very right.

[17:53:41]

Dagmar:

This is what NOC operations is all about

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asdfr:

NOC?

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erazor:

for what telco?

[17:54:05]

Dagmar:

Spending the majority of your shift trying not to lose your mind, and the rest of it trying not to lose your temper

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asdfr:

:o 1169 channels

[18:17:49]

stuarta:

1100 of which are crap

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mike__:

i'm using knoppmyth r5d1 and zap2it, but under the channel listings everything is 1 channel off, all the times are correct, does anyone know what would cause this?

[18:18:36]

asdfr:

stuarta, if there actually were 69 decent channels then that would be well worthwhile :)

[18:18:47]

mike__:

under a previous install it worked perfect

[18:19:45]

mike__:

like channel 11 is listed as 12, 12 is 13 and so on

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monkeyBox:

ok, so back to my issue w/ livetv: would it be most likely that HD bandwidth is the issue, or would it be CPU or memory?

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ctjctj:

monkeyBox, did you try the vmstat?

[18:28:14]

stuarta:

monkeyBox: did you try the pause / count to 3 / unpause thing..?

[18:28:36]

monkeyBox:

stuarta, yeah, I tried that. didn't show any difference

[18:28:43]

monkeyBox:

ctjctj, what's the vmstat?

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** monkeyBox types "vmstat" **

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stuarta:

what's the cpu?

[18:29:28]

monkeyBox:

pentium core2 duo 1.8ghz

[18:29:39]

monkeyBox:

watching livetv, cpu usage shows 13% for SD

[18:29:48]

monkeyBox:

so, I don't think that's the problem :-p

[18:29:51]

ctjctj:

use it monitor swapping i/o block i/o system interupts and a bunch of other stuff. vmstat 5 is a good timer

[18:30:09]

stuarta:

if it's HD content then the underlying problem is the lack of parallelism in the ffmpeg H264 libs :)

[18:30:22]

stuarta:

er, in the uk anyway

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ctjctj:

5 is a good repeat value so "vmstat 5" to watch. Then run your record, then watch then both and see how the numbers change.

[18:31:00]

stuarta:

ctjctj: HD content in certain encodings takes *all* of the cpu time on the latest cpu's to decode properly

[18:31:20]

livingtm:

why would internal volume controls have no effect on the volume? Ive set it to both master and PCM

[18:31:39]

ctjctj:

stuarta, at the beginning of this I suggested that it was lack of horse power in his computer, but he is saying it happens with SD as well as HD.

[18:32:14]

livingtm:

Actually, interesting... when it hits 0%, the sound goes off

[18:32:22]

stuarta:

monkeyBox: another thing to try, is to shutdown the backend and then play the recording with mythtv /path/to/filename

[18:33:10]

stuarta:

ctjctj: fair enough, though he just said 13% cpu for SD playback....

[18:33:12]

monkeyBox:

stuarta, yeah, I was already able to play the recording separately, and it worked fine.

[18:33:40]

monkeyBox:

It's only with livetv, it seems

[18:33:42]

stuarta:

that was with mplayer? no? try with the myth standalone player.

[18:33:55]

monkeyBox:

stuarta, both w/ mplayer and myth

[18:34:01]

stuarta:

okay, cool

[18:34:31]

monkeyBox:

ok, here's what vmstat shows after a few minutes of watching livetv:

[18:35:19]

monkeyBox:

memory: free: 9032, buff: 28556, cache 342804 ...

[18:35:32]

monkeyBox:

swap: si=0, so=0

[18:35:46]

monkeyBox:

io: bi=3, bo=5

[18:36:08]

monkeyBox:

cpu: cs=74, us=3, sy=0, id=96, wa=0

[18:36:23]

ctjctj:

monkeyBox, how much memory do you have on this box?

[18:36:28]

monkeyBox:

I have no idea what those numbers mea

[18:36:31]

monkeyBox:

1GB

[18:36:35]

monkeyBox:

2x512

[18:36:42]

monkeyBox:

dual ch.

[18:37:32]

ctjctj:

You should be fine: si/so blocks swapped in and out. bi/bo blocks in and out. in=interupts, cs=context switches, us=user, systerm, idle, wait,

[18:37:41]

monkeyBox:

I'm getting lots of Audio Buffer Underruns.....

[18:37:43]

ctjctj:

r = runable proc, b=blocked

[18:37:52]

monkeyBox:

I came across this thread, not sure if this is my prob: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 63?page=last

[18:39:13]

offset:

is it possible to get a color osd with a nvidia 5900xt using XvMC?

[18:39:45]

GreyFoxx:

only with the chromaosd. There are restricitons on what cards it works with, but it might work on yours

[18:40:36]

monkeyBox:

although it looks like for those ppl that it's xvmc related. I'm not even using xvmc :-P

[18:40:39]

GreyFoxx:

you have tomanually tweak a database setting since it's not something they wanted people turning on without knowing what theyt were doing

[18:41:33]

offset:

I tried the fixes that were in the wiki ( including the database one ) but they didn't do anything

[18:41:49]

offset:

im not using the chromaosd though.. ill give that a shot

[18:42:06]

ctjctj:

monkeyBox, I'm out of ideas. What you describe sounds like a bandwidth/horsepower problem. I'm using much weaker boxes to watch SD and they do just fine so I'm out of idea.

[18:42:23]

monkeyBox:

bummer

[18:42:54]

offset:

hmm.. im getting this from the mythfrontend: VideoOutputXv: Ack! Disabling ChromaKey OSD, We can't use ChromaKey OSD if chromakeying is not supported!

[18:43:39]

GreyFoxx:

offset: That likely means your particular nvidia card doesn't support whatever it needs. I know there is a hardware requiremewnt to use it

[18:43:52]

GreyFoxx:

monkeyBox: What is your problem ?

[18:44:26]

monkeyBox:

GreyFoxx: very choppy video/audio only when watching livetv.

[18:44:31]

offset:

GreyFoxx: from what i've read the 5xxx series should work..

[18:45:05]

GreyFoxx:

monkeyBox: try pausing for 10 seconds,then play again, does it still chop?

[18:45:16]

stuarta:

offset: looks like the drivers haven't said they support what is needed

[18:45:25]

monkeyBox:

GreyFoxx, yeah, stuarta suggested that. still choppy even after pausing

[18:46:15]

monkeyBox:

My hardware should be good enough to handle it...

[18:46:42]

monkeyBox:

I'm getting a lot of "WriteAudio: buffer underrun" errors

[18:46:42]

GreyFoxx:

since frontend+backend ?

[18:46:46]

GreyFoxx:

oh

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GreyFoxx:

odd

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monkeyBox:

frontend+backend are on same box

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GreyFoxx:

but try turning on extra audio buffering

[18:47:03]

GreyFoxx:

there is an option in the frontend setup menus for it

[18:47:20]

GreyFoxx:

I've got some stuff I? play in mythvideo that stutters a lot if I don;'t have that turned on

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monkeyBox:

GreyFoxx, yeah, I turned that on, that reduced the number of buffer errors, but it didn't seem to help the choppyness. The audio sounds a bit like a broken record or cd

[18:48:43]

monkeyBox:

I'm going to try outputting a stream to a file from mplayer, and then playing that file at the same time. Would that be a good test?

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GreyFoxx:

if you exit livetv, and then playback the livetv recording that was just stuttering... does it still stutter ?

[18:49:04]

monkeyBox:

GreyFoxx, No, playback is fine.

[18:49:22]

monkeyBox:

wait, did you say playback the livetv recording? I didn't know that was possible :-P

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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monkeyBox:

what I did was set the current program to record fromt he program guide

[18:49:39]

GreyFoxx:

in Watch recordings, hit M to change your filter (first option)

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GreyFoxx:

set it to show LiveTV

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monkeyBox:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

then you can play the actual livetv recordings

[18:50:21]

monkeyBox:

ok, lemme try that.

[18:50:38]

** monkeyBox hit's "watch tv" and waits a minute **

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monkeyBox:

hmm.. lots of video artifacts too

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monkeyBox:

ok, playback is smooth when just playing back.

[18:52:34]

monkeyBox:

so, it's only in livetv

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GreyFoxx:

benlake: can't say I do. I've never heard of anyone having that happen

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benlake:

GreyFoxx: crap sticks

[18:53:17]

GreyFoxx:

monkeyBox: sounds like a buffering/timing problem aka, bug

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monkeyBox:

Although,

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GreyFoxx:

I've heard of a few people who have suffered the same problem

[18:53:54]

GreyFoxx:

but none have ever been able to go through the code to debug it or figure out how any of the devs can reproduce it

[18:54:11]

monkeyBox:

there's also lots more digital video artifacts in the recording that what mplayer shows

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GreyFoxx:

most of us don't use LiveTV, and when we try we don't see that problem :(

[18:54:23]

GreyFoxx:

oh ?

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monkeyBox:

yeah, I don't generally use livetv a whole lot, except that my new HDTV is only a monitor, so my PCHDTV is my only tuner :-p

[18:54:53]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

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monkeyBox:

So, is there anything I can do to help fix this bug? I don't have much experience w/ mythtv coding, but if I can help produce some debug info that would help...

[18:55:35]

GreyFoxx:

actually speak of the devil. I just tried it here on the work myth box and it's stuttering. First time it's ever done it here

[18:56:20]

monkeyBox:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

I did change my kernel the other day, and enable hyperthreading, and I've noticed stuff is slower ever since

[18:56:34]

ctjctj:

benlake, does it also request you fill in your mysql IP or name?

[18:56:36]

GreyFoxx:

this is literally the first time I've ever had this happen

[18:56:44]

GreyFoxx:

hmmm

[18:56:53]

GreyFoxx:

monkeyBox: do you have hyper threading enabled ?

[18:57:06]

benlake:

ctjctj: yes, but when I put in verbose it says it connects fine!

[18:57:08]

GreyFoxx:

cat /proc/cpuinfo ... does it show 2 cpu's ?

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monkeyBox:

GreyFoxx, yep

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** GreyFoxx recompiles and disables hyperthreading **

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mike__:

do you guys se knoppmyth or build your mythbox from scratch?

[18:58:02]

ctjctj:

benlake, the language/mysql pages come up when your run mythfrontend if the frontend can not connect to the mysql server. Is the mysql server local to this box or remote?

[18:58:05]

benlake:

ctjctj: and I have a glitch in my lircrc file it complains about, but what that did reveal was that it is looking in my ~/.mythtv correctly and thus should be finding/usuing the mysql.txt file that exists

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mike__:

*use

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GreyFoxx:

mike__: build my own

[18:58:15]

benlake:

local

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mike__:

what distro did you use?

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stuarta:

i'm outta here...

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GreyFoxx:

mike__: Slackwre

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GreyFoxx:

Slackware

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benlake:

ctjctj: local

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mike__:

nice

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ctjctj:

benlake, what distribution?

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mike__:

i tried it in debian before

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benlake:

ctjctj: the defaults it shows in the DB connect info screen are what are used to connect, so 3 enters and it starts fine

[18:59:33]

monkeyBox:

Where's the option for hyperthreading in the kernel cfg? Is that the same as SMP?

[18:59:45]

benlake:

ctjctj: gentoo, this only started recently and all I can remember doing was emerging and setting up autofs

[18:59:56]

benlake:

ctjctj: and unmerging ruby :)

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ctjctj:

I am going to stop answering questions. I'm such a noob that I can barely get the first part figured out. :-( All I can say is that what you are experincing happens to me when mythfrontend can not connect to the mysql server. (which is normal for me)

[19:01:09]

GreyFoxx:

monkeyBox: I just turn of SMP to get rid of it but there is another option I'm gonna try first

[19:01:13]

benlake:

ctjctj: I rebooted to test automount and it started this.

[19:01:20]

benlake:

ctjctj: hehe, alrighty then

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monkeyBox:

ok, I'm going to try disabling SMP, and see what that does (if anything).

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juski:

evenin

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jd86:

hello juski

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benlake:

ctjctj: ok, I've turned on logging again and Its telling me it cant connect

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hardnova:

my xine is broken

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benlake:

ctjctj: I am starting mythfrontend from fluxbox startup script, if I start it manually in a terminal it connects fine. The info in mysql.txt is correct. It says it cant connect through the default socket, but when I connect manually it uses the socket flux-myth is complaining about

[19:16:35]

juski:

my resolve is broken. I'm trying to keep out of here

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erazor:

god i can't wait to get a box set up for a pvr.

[19:18:39]

erazor:

do you find that you spend more time working on it then using it?

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juski:

hahaha

[19:19:06]

juski:

if you think that was the case, folks like me would be using it?!

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livingtm:

i cant seem to get mythtv to control the volume

[19:19:18]

livingtm:

its a Via sound card built into an asus motherboard

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juski:

livingtm: is the 'use internal volume controls' box ticked hmm?

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livingtm:

yes

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juski:

and it's selecting the right channel to control?

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livingtm:

sound plays fine

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livingtm:

/dev/mixer

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juski:

i.e. 'wave' or whatever?

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livingtm:

ive tried PCM and MASER

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livingtm:

currently the settings are ALSA:Default, /dev/mixer and PCM

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GreyFoxx:

change the mixer to "default" if you are using ALSA:default

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GreyFoxx:

/dev/mixer is the oss mixer

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livingtm:

ok, mixer = default. mixer controls?

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livingtm:

MASTER?

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GreyFoxx:

I've never used anything but pcm

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livingtm:

PCm it is..

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juski:

master or PCM, depending on if you want to control the overrall audio output or just wave playback

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livingtm:

GreyFoxx, perfect.. THANKS!

[19:25:12]

livingtm:

i changed to alsa because the OSS didnt seem to be working.. ALSA is working great though now.. thanks

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monkeyBox:

GreyFoxx, apparently disabling SMP didn't help for me :-(

[19:27:43]

GreyFoxx:

my box is too occupied to reboot to the new kernel at the moment :)

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richard_:

Howdy folks, I'm using xmltv 0.5.44–1 (ubuntu) to grab program info but I'm not getting any proper channel data (incorrect frequencies and no acutal information regarding upcoming programs what so ever)

[19:29:29]

richard_:

to be precise, I'm using tv_grab_fi

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livingtm:

I LOVE this pvr500.. dual tuners kick ass

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jd86:

livingtm, I always couldn't bring myself to buy one — I was worried it wouldn't work right (but never checked into it) as well as the ability to buy 2 pvr150's for less than one pvr 500. so they work well?

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livingtm:

Im still in the first 12 hours with it.. but so far it REALLY smokes

[19:33:49]

livingtm:

the package is nice, the quality seems good

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benlake:

livingtm: is it a trick to get the pvr500 up and running?

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livingtm:

benlake, I didnt have any trouble.. jus tinstall the latest ivtv driver

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clars:

help me out to find an god easy tv-viewer that can run on my kde desktop and use the pvr-350 capture-card

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livingtm:

Im ripping a DVD and getting errors from the MTD (google doesnt seem to help) "Ripfile wrote 0 bytes"

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Spicerun:

Has anyone had the situation where 2 Technisat HD-5000 ATSC PCI cards will not work with each other? Is there an option I need to pass to b2c2flexcop to let both cards work? Currently, I have one card that receives, but the other one does nothing.

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Spicerun:

The cards are set up correctly in mythtv, but one card does not get any signal lock or records.

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blackest:

hi

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erazor:

hello.

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blackest:

got a small problem i don't know how to get saa7134-dvb to load at boot time

[20:21:50]

blackest:

getting fedup of sudo modprobe saa7134-dvb before i can use it once thats sorted i can get on with installing mythtv

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erazor:

distro?

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blackest:

edgy

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notregistered:

good luck with that blackest

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blackest:

well its getting there i think actually it was dislexiya i put saa1734-dvd in /etc/modules

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gardengnome:

batdog|gone: write "saa7134-dvb" into /etc/modules...

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gardengnome:

ah

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gardengnome:

batdog|gone: oops, sorry, didn't mean you

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notregistered:

blackest: I mean getting mythTV to run on it

[20:27:00]

notregistered:

maybe you will have more luck compiling it then I did

[20:27:16]

notregistered:

but the ubuntu packages don't work for me and alot of other people

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erazor:

you can't just add it to your rc file?

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blackest:

hmm oh well i will try

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erazor:

sure, a netbsd guide.. but it should be the same deal.

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t0ny-p40:

I'm setting up another computer to do the transcoding but when I run mythtv-setup it does nothing just sits there blank

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blackest:

these servers are awkward especially when something else is running too I had zoneminder installed and it kept nicking my tvcard drove me crazy coz i had forgot it was installed

[20:31:30]

t0ny-p40:

oh I see this now

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t0ny-p40:

mythtv: could not connect to socket

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t0ny-p40:

mythtv: No such file or directory

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blackest:

do you have kde installed tony ?

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t0ny-p40:

oh its working now, just took a while

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t0ny-p40:

blackest, no

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blackest:

seems to me most errors i was getting with kaffine got solved by installing kde (the others by commenting out Wacom lines in Xorg.conf)

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blackest:

it didnt stop kaffeine running but it was spitting out errors as it ran

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TinheadNed:

'lo

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TinheadNed:

just rebuilt my mythtv box, and now the nova-t dvb cards aren't recognised as

[20:36:56]

TinheadNed:

in mythtv-setup, it says "no such file or directory" when probing

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TinheadNed:

what have I forgotten to rebuild? :)

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t0ny-p40:

YAY! My server now does work for my mythtv box! :)

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blackest:

does your nova need firmware ?

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TinheadNed:

no

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t0ny-p40:

Thats weird, my laptop is 1.6ghz over wifi and it gets 100fps and my server is on 100mbit ethernet and it only gets 28fps :/

[20:39:28]

TinheadNed:

I think there used to be some more devnodes, but I can't think what's not in the kernel to make them

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blackest:

you done the mercurial thing

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TinheadNed:

the what?

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livingtm:

are there keystrokes that will jump from say, liveTV to photos?

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blackest:

makeing the latest drivers

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livingtm:

i would like to make use of the buttons on the media center remotes if possible

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TinheadNed:

yeah, latest kernel

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blackest:

ok my knowledge is exhausted

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TinheadNed:

can't work out what file can't be found to recognise the cards

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blackest:

#been at this for 12 hours today and not far short yesterday

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blackest:

well if the card isnt recognised it then your driver hasnt got the definition

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TinheadNed:

think i'm going to not see any top gear tonight :(

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blackest:

um it started 45 minutes ago

[20:45:39]

TinheadNed:

i know

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TinheadNed:

machine was rebuilt an hour ago

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blackest:

theres always bit torrents and the highlights are on the website

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planktonboy:

Tinhead what distro are you using

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TinheadNed:

blackest: it'll be on wednesday

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TinheadNed:

planktonboy: gentoo

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planktonboy:

I am on ubuntu running 2 nova-t cards

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planktonboy:

ah

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TinheadNed:

planktonboy:

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TinheadNed:

planktonboy: well, this morning, so was I

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TinheadNed:

rebuilding to 64bit has made things unhappy somehow

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planktonboy:

I know in ubuntu the nova-t cards are automatically picked up

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TinheadNed:

planktonboy: they are here, once I remembered to upgrade udev

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planktonboy:

but not sure about gentoo...is there a gentoo wicki for the nova-t cards

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planktonboy:

right

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TinheadNed:

think I must be missing some random library

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blackest:

hmm I might have this working by then

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TinheadNed:

unless the drivers broke in 2.6.20

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planktonboy:

still a newbie to mythtv and also to linux really so sorry I dont think I am of much help

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planktonboy:

but yes sounds like that could be the prob

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TinheadNed:

I'll trying stracing mythtv-setup or mythbackend and find what it can't open

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TinheadNed:

crap – no failed OPENs

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clever__:

strace =e trace=open,socket,bind,connect programname

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clever__:

that should catch the creation of nearly all fd's

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TinheadNed:

clever__: I'll try that

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TinheadNed:

cheers

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clever__:

i often strace stuff when im bored:P

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TinheadNed:

that's what it can't find

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clever__:

and when i do use c++ i often use the syscalls directly instead of a library so my code is ugly:P

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planktonboy:

hi clever

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planktonboy:

was just looking for some related info on the web to see if it might help TinHead

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clever__:

i dont have any dvb cards to prod

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TinheadNed:

where have my dvb nodes gone?

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clever__:

internal/external card?

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TinheadNed:

clever__: it's an internal one that works in a 32bit environment that I still have

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clever__:

was thinking you could reconnect it with the power on but thats not safe with pci:P

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clever__:

reload its kernel modules?

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TinheadNed:

clever__: rebooted quite a few times now

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TinheadNed:

can't find anything missing in the kernel

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clever__:

ive only built my kernel for 1 box and my only card is a frame grabber:(

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clever__:

you could forcibly make the dev nodes

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TinheadNed:

aha#

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clever__:

mknod and ls will help

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TinheadNed:

one module isn't being autoloaded any more

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TinheadNed:

x88-dvb

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clever__:

ahh:)

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TinheadNed:

cx rather

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clever__:

load away

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clever__:

brb

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TinheadNed:

hurrah

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pinda:

hey guys, i was wondering if somebody could help me

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pinda:

i'm wanting to buy a basic tv tuner card

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pinda:

nothing fancy, no pvr or anything like that, if it has pvr, hey great, but not a need for it

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pinda:

i'm wondering, what do i need, do i need a sound card as well as the tv tuner card?

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juski:

not a need for a pvr? wth are you doing in here then?

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imperfectus:

pinda: if you ask me, having a MPEG encoder is a neccessity

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pinda:

just wondering on if you could give me advice for a card just to get TV on my pc

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TinheadNed:

if it's not for DVB

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planktonboy:

pinda I am using 2 Hauppauge nova-t cards with ubuntu distro and mythtv works really well with them..and get freeview too

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imperfectus:

pinda: get a hauppage ;)

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erazor:

WinTV-HVR-350

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TinheadNed:

pinda: got the same setup as planktonboy also

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planktonboy:

TinHead did you find out the prob yet

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pinda:

so that will get me tv? no need for a major sound card upgrade?

[21:06:36]

pinda:

i have onbard sound currently

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TinheadNed:

planktonboy: cx88-dvb

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planktonboy:

yeah they are good cards...but also I have read that the PVR-350 and the PVR-500 work well too

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TinheadNed:

planktonboy: don't know why that doesn't autoload any more

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planktonboy:

ah

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pinda:

what's freeview?

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planktonboy:

pinda I'm in U.K. and freeview is all the free digital channels available so long as you have a freeview ready setup

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pinda:

oh UK, i'm in Canada

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pinda:

is there anythign for Canadian TV?

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planktonboy:

should be

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planktonboy:

do a check for digital channels available in Canada on google

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planktonboy:

should be loads

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pinda:

oh yeah we have loads of them, i subscribe to them currently

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pinda:

so these devices can decode the digital channels??

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planktonboy:

as Canada/US alsways have loads more things than U.K. and also usually alot cheaper too

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TinheadNed:

pinda: if you don't need a card type thing to decrypt them

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pinda:

oh like satellite card type units?

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pinda:

we just use a regular motorola digital cable box

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pinda:

wow, this is interesting, is it all linux based?

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TinheadNed:

pinda: this specific software is

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TinheadNed:

pinda: presumably windows media centre does something similar

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pinda:

wow, that's nuts

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pinda:

so you can get digital cable without paying for it

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pinda:

crazy

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TinheadNed:

pinda: you can only get the stuff that's free

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TinheadNed:

hence freeview in the UK

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pinda:

ohhhh ok

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pinda:

i thought it was the pay stuf

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pinda:

ok i think i'll just get the haugepauge you metioned

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pinda:

i just need somethign to get basic tv

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planktonboy:

the guy called PyROm on this list has similar prob and about a third way down he has some info on how he fixed his issue

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pinda:

hey guys, how is this one Leadtek Winfast TV Global Expert

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planktonboy:

also found some links in google when I searched for 'nova-t gentoo cx88-dvb'

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planktonboy:

hope that helps

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TinheadNed:

planktonboy: i think he had a different problem, but ta for that

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TinheadNed:

planktonboy: i'm just gonna autoload the module

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planktonboy:

ok

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planktonboy:

:)

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immolo:

Has anyone seen this error from nuvexport? "95% DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Incorrect key file for table './mythconverg/recordedseek.MYI'; try to repair it at /usr/share/nuvexport/mythtv/recordings.pm line 118.

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immolo:

Could not execute (SELECT MAX(mark) FROM recordedseek WHERE chanid=? AND starttime=?):

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immolo:

"

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planktonboy:

pinda..dont know about that card, but def the Hauppauge cards are well recommended and many people using them

[21:19:46]

planktonboy:

check out some of the reviews of Mythtv and see whatother people are using

[21:20:16]

planktonboy:

also depends on whether you want to record HD channels such as sky or whatever they have in Canada

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gardengnome:

immolo: you probably need to repair the recordedseek table in your DB

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planktonboy:

in UK not many HD channels are available, in fact on Sky and that is a pay per view service so I dodnt bother

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immolo:

gardengnome- oh I thought it was a file

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immolo:

any ideas on how?

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immolo:

or just finding it and editing

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gardengnome:

immolo: mysql provies some repair tools, you'll have to look it up

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TinheadNed:

planktonboy: what do you mean by secure?

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TinheadNed:

immolo: mysqlcheck

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TinheadNed:

planktonboy: wouldn't password-protecting the site be better?

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planktonboy:

yes..done that

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gardengnome:

planktonboy: was your mythweb install password protected?

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planktonboy:

but I read that passwording it and also running ssl can secure it a bit more

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immolo:

thanks TinheadNed

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gardengnome:

*snickers* there's been some talk lately about people not protecting their mythweb install. problems is that google tends to index them ;)

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planktonboy:

gardengnome...I think so...it def has a password prompt when I log on to mythweb

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planktonboy:

is there anyway I can check that

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gardengnome:

if it asks for a password it's most likely protecred by a password ;)

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TinheadNed:

only if it checks the answer . .

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planktonboy:

LOL....then it must be :)

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TinheadNed:

IIRC the default setup has a .htpasswd file for password protection

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TinheadNed:

can't remember if it needs uncommenting

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gardengnome:

TinheadNed: dunno if it's activated by default.

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immolo:

umm after using mysqlcheck and repair it has changed the error message to marked as crashed

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hjohnson:

hmm.. any way to activate myth with myth-web while i still don't have a front-end machine?

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richard_:

are remote controls the way to go with mythtv?

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gardengnome:

hjohnson: "activate"?

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TinheadNed:

immolo: run it again? should be working now

[21:29:42]

gardengnome:

richard_: telepathy support will arrive in 0.21, remote controls work well for the time being

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richard_:

I have tons of leftover remotes but no IR reciever (well, I have one but it plugs into the nonexistant com port)

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immolo:

TinheadNed- I did

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planktonboy:

but even thought mythweb was password protected, on friday night I allowed access to port 80 on my mythtv pc from my router so that I could try some streaming of recorded files via my mythweb page

[21:30:08]

richard_:

could I just buy an IR receiver?

[21:30:20]

hjohnson:

gardengnome: well, set up and all that... I dunno, I haven't messed with it much.

[21:30:21]

richard_:

or might they be incompatible?

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hjohnson:

yet.

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hjohnson:

I have the back-end setup on a computer that has a 2MB video card and no x11 on it. :)

[21:30:37]

immolo:

TinheadNed- http://pastebin.ca/362500

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** TinheadNed consoles himself for missing top gear with a recording of last series **

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gardengnome:

hjohnson: if you want to run mythtv-setup, you can use X display forwarding; even better: use ssh to do it. ssh -X or ssh -Y, check the man page.

[21:31:22]

immolo:

TinheadNed- my backend crashed while recording it

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hjohnson:

gardengnome: I don't have x11 setup on any machine I own right now. <G>

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TinheadNed:

immolo: and you've restarted mysql?

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planktonboy:

but at that time I didnt realise that by default mysql leaves a root account unpassworded after install and when I got home all my database had been messed with and loads of recordings had been added to the list and my recording directory had been reset to read only etc

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immolo:

something always happens when I record topgear

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hjohnson:

immolo: it's a BBC conspiracy.

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gardengnome:

richard_: there are a few oddball remotes out there like marantz (AFAIR) that use an uncommon frequency. if you've got some universal remotes then you're good to go.

[21:32:12]

gardengnome:

hjohnson: vnc?

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hjohnson:

gardengnome: there's an idea.

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richard_:

gardengnome, thanks for the info

[21:32:24]

richard_:

now I just need to find an IR reciever :/

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immolo:

hjohnson- you must be right

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gardengnome:

richard_: make sure to buy a IR receiver meant for remotes. an irda interface is unlikely to work.

[21:32:50]

gardengnome:

richard_: where are you located?

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richard_:

finland

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gardengnome:

richard_: oh. dunno. check www.lirc.org

[21:33:11]

richard_:

thanks again

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** hjohnson is looking at buying a Mac mini for a living room machine, even if it is mass overkill for myth, since it can also do other stuff. **

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immolo:

TinheadNed- ok try restarting both mysql and the backend

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immolo:

no luck

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TinheadNed:

immolo: can you watch the recording in mythtv?

[21:36:10]

TinheadNed:

amusingly, watching a top gear episode from last july, jeremy refers to the trip across the US shown last week

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immolo:

TinheadNed- Yes the frontend can watch

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immolo:

plus I have 24 minutes of top gear :P

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TinheadNed:

immolo: mysql can't be that bad then

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immolo:

hmm I have an idea

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immolo:

no didn't work

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quants:

gcc -c -pipe -O2 -fmessage-length=0 -Wall -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -g -fno-strict-aliasing -w -O2 -g -fmessage-length=0 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -DPIC -fPIC -fno-common -D_REENTRANT -DUSING_FREEBOX -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DPREFIX=\"/usr\" -DLIBDIR=\"/usr/lib64\" -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -DQT_SHARED -I/usr/lib/qt3/mkspecs/default -I. -I/usr/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I../../libs/libavcodec -I/usr/include -I/usr/lib/qt3/in

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quants:

In file included from motion_comp_altivec.c:29:

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quants:

/usr/lib/gcc/powerpc64-suse-linux/4.1.2/include/altivec.h:37:2: error: #error Use the "-maltivec" flag to enable PowerPC AltiVec support

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:37: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘signed’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:38: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘unsigned’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:39: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘signed’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:40: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘unsigned’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:41: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘signed’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:42: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘unsigned’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:46: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘my_vec_ld’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:53: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘my_vec_and’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:60: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘my_vec_avg’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c: In function ‘MC_put_o_16_altivec’:

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:72: error: ‘vector_u8_t’ undeclared (first use in this function)

[21:52:06]

quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:72: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:72: error: for each function it appears in.)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:72: error: expected ‘;’ before ‘perm’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:74: error: ‘perm’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:78: error: ‘ref0’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:79: error: ‘ref1’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:81: error: ‘tmp’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c: In function ‘MC_put_o_8_altivec’:

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:108: error: ‘vector_u8_t’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:108: error: expected ‘;’ before ‘perm0’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:110: error: ‘tmp0’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:112: error: ‘perm0’ undeclared (first use in this function)

[21:52:41]

quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:112: error: ‘vector_u16_t’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:112: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp0’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:113: error: ‘tmp1’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:115: error: ‘perm1’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:115: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp1’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:119: error: ‘ref0’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:120: error: ‘ref1’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:128: error: ‘vector_u32_t’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:128: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp0’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:129: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp0’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:136: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp1’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:137: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp1’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:144: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp0’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:145: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp0’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:148: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp1’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:149: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp1’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c: In function ‘MC_put_x_16_altivec’:

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:155: error: ‘vector_u8_t’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:155: error: expected ‘;’ before ‘permA’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:157: error: ‘permA’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:158: error: ‘permB’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:158: error: ‘__vector’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:158: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘unsigned’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:158: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘__builtin_altivec_vspltisb’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:162: error: ‘ref0’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:163: error: ‘ref1’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:165: error: ‘tmp’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c: In function ‘MC_put_x_8_altivec’:

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:196: error: ‘vector_u8_t’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:196: error: expected ‘;’ before ‘perm0A’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:198: error: ‘ones’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:198: error: ‘__vector’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:198: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘unsigned’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:198: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘__builtin_altivec_vspltisb’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:199: error: ‘tmp0’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:201: error: ‘perm0A’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:201: error: ‘vector_u16_t’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:201: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp0’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:202: error: ‘perm0B’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:203: error: ‘tmp1’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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hjohnson:

jebus dude..

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:205: error: ‘perm1A’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:205: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp1’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:206: error: ‘perm1B’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:210: error: ‘ref0’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:211: error: ‘ref1’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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hardnova:

that is just not right

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:220: error: ‘vector_u32_t’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:220: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp0’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:221: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp0’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:229: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp1’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:230: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp1’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:238: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp0’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:239: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp0’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:243: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp1’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:244: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp1’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c: In function ‘MC_put_y_16_altivec’:

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:250: error: ‘vector_u8_t’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:250: error: expected ‘;’ before ‘perm’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:252: error: ‘perm’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:256: error: ‘ref0’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:257: error: ‘ref1’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:259: error: ‘tmp0’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:263: error: ‘tmp1’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:264: error: ‘tmp’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c: In function ‘MC_put_y_8_altivec’:

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TinheadNed:

i can't wait to find out what happens next

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:294: error: ‘vector_u8_t’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:294: error: expected ‘;’ before ‘perm0’

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hardnova:

gees heard of a paste bin ?

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:296: error: ‘tmp0’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:298: error: ‘perm0’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:298: error: ‘vector_u16_t’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:298: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp0’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:299: error: ‘tmp1’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:301: error: ‘perm1’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:301: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp1’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:305: error: ‘ref0’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:306: error: ‘ref1’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:313: error: ‘tmp’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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TinheadNed:

hardnova: indeed, the one mentioned in the topic

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:319: error: ‘vector_u32_t’ undeclared (first use in this function)

[21:56:34]

quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:319: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:320: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:328: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:329: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:337: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:338: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp’

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hardnova:

where an op when someone aut be kicked

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:342: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:343: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘tmp’

[21:56:59]

quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c: In function ‘MC_put_xy_16_altivec’:

[21:57:01]

quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:349: error: ‘vector_u8_t’ undeclared (first use in this function)

[21:57:04]

quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:349: error: expected ‘;’ before ‘permA’

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quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:350: error: expected ‘;’ before ‘ones’

[21:57:10]

quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:352: error: ‘ones’ undeclared (first use in this function)

[21:57:13]

quants:

motion_comp_altivec.c:352: error: ‘__vector’ undeclared (first use in this function)

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TinheadNed:

er

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hjohnson:

what was the point of that?

[21:57:53]

TinheadNed:

that was a tactical withdrawl i think

[21:57:58]

hardnova:

lol

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hjohnson:

probably.

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hjohnson:

Ahh, Altivec, we hardly new ye.

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TinheadNed:

good old mythtv, I meant to get work done today, spent 5 hours getting mythtv to the point it was at at the beginning of the day

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jduggan:

probably 5 times more bloat :P

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hardnova:

yea maybe

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hardnova:

i installed the x86_64 version maybe the i386 runns better

[22:00:59]

hardnova:

it is a x86_64 cpu

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hardnova:

which is odd becuase you would think using the 64bit instructions it would be faster

[22:02:51]

hjohnson:

hardnova: not really

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hardnova:

maybe mythtv 20 is crap compared to 19

[22:03:16]

hjohnson:

only if things have been optimized for 64 bits. :)

[22:03:26]

hardnova:

the fade in menus drive me nuts

[22:04:09]

harzi:

i have a mythtv-backend running on debian-etch and mysql-server-5.0, i can not connect from my mythtvfrontend on the xbox, running on xebian and mysql-client-4.1. On etch i can not downgrade to mysql-server-4.1. what else i can do?

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TinheadNed:

hardnova: you can turn that off, can't you?

[22:06:41]

TinheadNed:

wasn't that the opengl-rendering in the frontend

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hardnova:

no idea im in fc4 at the moment grabbing some config settings

[22:11:23]

hardnova:

maybe i should start another install of fc6 the 32bit version

[22:14:47]

t0ny-p40:

haha I called cableone asking about a firewire box and they transfered me to the isp support

[22:14:54]

t0ny-p40:

bah

[22:17:29]

t0ny-p40:

ok they said they can give me a firewire cable box but it is unenabled.

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TinheadNed:

gtg

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t0ny-p40:

There is a fcc law/rule that the cable co. has to give me a digital cable box with firewire that is enabled right?

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hjohnson:

hmm.. is there a script to generate the database for myth? when I try to run mythfilldatabase, it can't connect to the database

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williammanda:

test

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hjohnson:

you fail. ;)

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Dr_willis:

4+6=

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TomHung:

what is the recommended method for controlling DirecTv receivers?

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Dr_willis:

"Hay kid! go change the channel!"

[22:47:22]

Dr_willis:

:)

[22:47:34]

Dr_willis:

That was my dads remote in the 1970's

[22:48:19]

TomHung:

controlling DirecTv recievers with MythTV

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hjohnson:

grr...

[23:16:54]

** hjohnson screams at mysql.. let me admin the database you piece of crap **

[23:16:57]

Hoxzer:

[g] [r] [r]

[23:17:34]

hashbang:

woah

[23:17:38]

hashbang:

I have a weird bug here

[23:17:48]

hjohnson:

grr.

[23:19:18]

hashbang:

both channels normally record perfectly (unlike, say, Film4 on the dodgy mplex)

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gardengnome:

hashbang: the chances of getting that bug fixed might be better with 0.20. if it's not already fixed

[23:29:06]

hashbang:

gardengnome: sure. I just find it really odd that it only seems to hit classical concerts

[23:29:22]

hashbang:

gardengnome: presumably there's something unexpected in the DVB stream, but I can't think what!

[23:29:28]

gardengnome:

hashbang: you need some screaming guitars then

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hashbang:

gardengnome: if only. UK music TV is all indie and classical, pretty much.

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** hashbang wishes UK TV took teh met0l seriously, like they do in Deutschland etc. **

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hashbang:

gardengnome: anyway, work tomorrow, so good night!

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robbins876:

I love guitar hero

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J-e-f-f-A:

TomHung: If it's got a serial port, and it's active, then serial. If not, you've probably got to use an ir blaster.

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clever[rev]:

ARG:P

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clever[rev]:

finaly got the ir blaster made

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clever[rev]:

ubuntu upgraded the kernel

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clever[rev]:

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