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Saturday, February 17th, 2007, 00:04 UTC

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Zider:

ah, my ebuild finally does its job :D

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Zider:

for anyone interested, there's now a gentoo ebuild for mythstream

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Zider:

probably less than neatly written, but it does what it should :)

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psofa:

DaveMorri1, ever thought of upgrading your kernel?

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clever_:

ARG more prebuffering's:P

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clever_:

even at 0.5x it has them

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flindet:

hey, does digital audio out require a special cable?

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flindet:

It LOOKS like it's just a normal 5 1/4" jack

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livingtm:

I keep getting audio buffer overflow errors on my frontend

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clever_:

flindet: it can probly use a cable which fits it but youll need a receiver which accepts the digital format at the other end of that cable

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livingtm:

the audio and video on live tv are out of synch and terribly chioppy

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livingtm:

CPU is very VERY low

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livingtm:

mmory is low

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flindet:

clever_: Yeah, my TV accepts it

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livingtm:

where can i start troubleshooting?

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clever_:

wire it up and see what happens

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flindet:

clever_: but am I going to have to do special configuration to use the digital output?

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clever_:

not shure

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clever_:

i dont have anything that accepts digital so i havent had a need to test it

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clever_:

and i dont even use the onboard card with spdif for mythtv because im using a second pci card dedicated to the tv in/out

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planktonboy:

hi all

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planktonboy:

am a bit disappointed tonight

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planktonboy:

was hacked into while was out having a beer and the bugger messed all my mysql settings aro9und

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planktonboy:

couldnt even wath live tv

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planktonboy:

watch that is

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brand:

Is it a known bug in .20 that if you rip cd's and then try to view your music collection they will never show up? It appears when I do a rip the musicmetadata database table never gets populated and mythwebs music module checks to make sure there is atleast one entry. I'm not sure where the metadata is stored but it is as the artist, album, and other information is shown via mythtv's music plugin and if I change the mythweb m

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brand:

usic init module to state there is a single song, all music is now avaiable via the web.

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clever_:

that can be very easy if the mysql port isnt closed on the firewall with the default password of mythtv

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planktonboy:

hi clever :)

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clever_:

hi planktonboy

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planktonboy:

yeah..i just wanted to try out that flash hack for mythweb

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clever_:

i run a mysql server for many other things and have needed the port to be open to the public but it looks secure on my end:)

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kslater:

what flash hack?

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planktonboy:

so I opened my port on the router firewall and as it had htaccess password I thought it might be safe enough

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clever_:

did root also have a password?

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planktonboy:

kslater here http://chiefhacker.com/2007/01/22/streaming-m . . . using-flash/

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planktonboy:

good hack if you have more secure site

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clever_:

my mythweb only works over a vpn program so its secure

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planktonboy:

clever no..I think that might have been the prob...just read about that today in my Running Linux book but didnt have time to set it up

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planktonboy:

big mistake maybe

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clever_:

yeah

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clever_:

with no password on the mysql root they can go in and do ANYTHING they want

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planktonboy:

but so long as one learns from mistakes :)

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clever_:

yep:)

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planktonboy:

so its ok to set a root password without messing myth up?

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clever_:

oops

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clever_:

Fatal server error:

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clever_:

Caught signal 11. Server aborting

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clever_:

xinit: connection to X server lost.

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clever_:

x crashed:P

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clever_:

myth doesnt care about the root account

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planktonboy:

I was a bit unsire about what it might to too so thats why I kind of left it till I could find out more

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planktonboy:

ok

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clever_:

mythtv adds its own username/pw

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planktonboy:

cool

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planktonboy:

thanks

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clever_:

which is in the mysql.txt file

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planktonboy:

right

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planktonboy:

understood

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clever_:

brb restarting half the laptop

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clever_:

crashed without warning when in the mythfrontend

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kslater:

best bet for your mythbox is not to have at the boundary of your network

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clever_:

back

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planktonboy:

anyways ..if anyone in here enjoys hacking and wants to get their own back on an anti myth haxxor than here is the ip of that |%^*$&@

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clever_:

my backend is a mysql server for the house and stuff and my spare frontend is a laptop which wont allways be in the house

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clever_:

planktonboy: lol nice logs did there job:P

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clever_:

if he got ahold of system root he would have been able to clean up logs

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planktonboy:

haha...yeah boody useless

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planktonboy:

yeah but hopefully not on the router

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planktonboy:

I had a look around and it seems the only thing he knoew how to do was mess the database

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kslater:

if he's like most, he would have attacked from some machine other than his own.

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planktonboy:

even all my myth rprolly sure

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clever_:

alot of the ssh attacks i get are from a box with an open ssh

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clever_:

like they crashed 1 open ssh and are using it as a proxy to get more

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planktonboy:

but from what I can see just looks like a bored schoolboy on his friday night off

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planktonboy:

clever...hmm thats interesting

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planktonboy:

I have my ssh passworded..but could that be an issue

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clever_:

i have logs of 5000 wrong usernames on my ssh server

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clever_:

they have yet to get in

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kslater:

dude

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clever_:

?

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kslater:

you need to restrict the users names that can login

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brand:

.. is musicmetata outdated and music_songs is now used? If so why does mythweb look for musicmetadata?

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eskil:

yes and good question.

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planktonboy:

and would I have had to open a specific port from the router to allow openssh access

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clever_:

kslater: i dont have many names even on that box

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brand:

eskil: was that comment to me?

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clever_:

ssh is done thru port 22

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kslater:

and then probably use something like sshdfilter

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eskil:

brand, yes

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clever_:

i normaly keep my ssh port closed off

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clever_:

and use the vpn to access it

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brand:

eskil: so .20 is "shipped" with music via mythweb broken?

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planktonboy:

ok thanks kslater I'll check that out

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kslater:

I used to get lots of sshd attacks on a couple of servers. sshdfilter shuts that right down.

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eskil:

brand, don't know about .20 (I use svn), but if you have a music_songs table in the db and mythweb still uses musicmetadata, I'd say "yah".

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clever_:

eskil: i also use the latest svn:)

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planktonboy:

clever..sounds ike good advice...easy when you know how....I guess I still have a lot to learn...but getting there slowly

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clever_:

:)

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planktonboy:

only been on linux for 6 months...but trying to learn as quick as possible

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clever_:

my backend box has trouble playing files in mythtv when its recording shows

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clever_:

but i can fix it with a second frontend

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planktonboy:

yup...mine does that when I trying to to do too much

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clever_:

its also comm flaging

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planktonboy:

yes

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clever_:

but its not a drive io speed

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planktonboy:

thats quite intensive

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clever_:

because its now reading for the playback and feeding that to the laptop

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planktonboy:

seems to eat alot of memory

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clever_:

and in come the prebuffering pauses:P

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clever_:

0.8x speed fixes them

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clever_:

i also need to get better video cables

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clever_:

i can see a 60hz noise in the video

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clever_:

and its playing on a laptop which shouldnt have that noise:P

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planktonboy:

right

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clever_:

im using a sterio audio cable

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clever_:

for composite in and out

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clever_:

and its running a good distance and past atleast 2 power sockets

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clever_:

and every time i try to show my dad the setup

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planktonboy:

just doing a restore

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clever_:

he refuses to even try it and says simple is better

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planktonboy:

but just aibt annoying as I was really looking forward to watching one of my fav films that was on tonight and I had set to record..Platoon

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clever_:

i tell me dad that i can record shows and watch them later and he says i wont have time to watch them later:P

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planktonboy:

and all the little addons I had done the last 3 days

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planktonboy:

LOL

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planktonboy:

yup

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clever_:

my laptop is 802.11b

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clever_:

too slow for myth frontend

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clever_:

but i know the details of the networking on linux

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clever_:

ip able to add a ethernet cable

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planktonboy:

a bit like downloading all the latest apps and mp3sw and movies and stuff...etc

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clever_:

and run just 1 pc connection thru the ethernet

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clever_:

instead of .60 going out the wifi it goes out the ethernet

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clever_:

which leads to the same network

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planktonboy:

do you run your backend from cable or wireless

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clever_:

ethernet 100mbit

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planktonboy:

ah

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clever_:

but the laptop is normaly on the wifi

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planktonboy:

yeah I have mine coming off wireless as thats the only way I can from y living room

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clever_:

the clip on my ethernet cable is broken so it can fall out without warning

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clever_:

but because of my complex network routing i only loose the connection to 1 pc

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planktonboy:

all my other machines are set up in the study as originally it all revolved around a music studio

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clever_:

and im able to switch the network interfaces without loosing connections at all

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planktonboy:

that used to be my main thing

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clever_:

using just the ip command i can add the ip to the 2nd card and shift the routing tables over

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clever_:

and then remove the wifi card

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clever_:

without loosing any access:)

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planktonboy:

that sounds like a smart idea

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clever_:

something that id like to get going

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clever_:

trunking

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clever_:

using BOTh the wifi and wired at once

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clever_:

then i get just over 100mbit:P

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planktonboy:

yeah

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clever_:

also id need to do that to the backend if i want ti stream it to more then 1 front at a time

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clever_:

200mbit to the switch then devide it between 2–3 ports/fronts

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clever_:

100mbit is bearly able to handle 1 frontend

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planktonboy:

yes..thats been an issue here

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GreyFoxx:

no, your problem is not network bitrate

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planktonboy:

I wanted to run 2 frontends

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clever_:

GreyFoxx: if its not the net bitrate what is it?

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planktonboy:

1 on the main myth pc and 1 on the laptop

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GreyFoxx:

100mbit can EASILY handly many frontends/streams, including several HD streams

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clever_:

my laptop is wired thru 100mbit to the switch

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clever_:

which has a 100mbit to the backend

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clever_:

and i get prebuffering pauses on the laptop every now and then

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planktonboy:

but as the mythpc is also wireless as well as the lapto[ the signal has to travel from here up to the router upstairs and then back down to here...a bit too much for it

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GreyFoxx:

That's not all that uncommon, a lot of people see that with LiveTV, but those same people don't see it with recordings

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GreyFoxx:

but considering you are recording at only a coujple mbit, it's NOTHING for a100mbit network to handle

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GreyFoxx:

even HDTV raw off the wire is maximum 19Mbit

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** clever_ opens cacti to see the usage of the eth0 on the laptop **

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clever_:

more prebufferings:P

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** clever_ goes back to 0.8x **

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clever_:

didnt fix it:P

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clever_:

eth0 is at 562kb/sec inbound right now

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clever_:

kbyte

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kormoc:

it's very likely not your network, it's likely something wrong with the box, hardware or software.

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GreyFoxx:

which is only a couple mbit

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clever_:

the backend was having trouble playing it localy

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kormoc:

check cpu usage

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clever_:

by using a remote frontend i put less cpu load on the backend

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kormoc:

HD takes a ton of cpu

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clever_:

sd

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clever_:

Cpu(s): 68.9% us, 9.7% sy, 8.4% ni, 6.4% id, 1.3% wa, 0.2% hi, 5.0% si

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clever_:

Cpu(s): 41.9% us, 6.0% sy, 10.3% ni, 33.6% id, 3.4% wa, 0.2% hi, 4.7% si

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clever_:

local(laptop) cpu is in mostly usage and iowait

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clever_:

no usage/idle

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kormoc:

so?

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clever_:

doesnt look like a cpu shortage right now

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J-e-f-f-A:

memory?

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GreyFoxx:

That doesn't mean it can't be a program/buffering issue

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clever_:

laptop isnt accessubg the hdd at all

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clever_:

not swaping

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GreyFoxx:

Is this a recording or "LiveTV"

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clever_:

a recording from an hour ago

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clever_:

while the backend is recoridng something else

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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clever_:

by recording then watching seperately it will keep recording even if the frontend goes down

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planktonboy:

anyways its getting late here...3.30 a.m. and the beer is starting to work so I'm off to chill for a bit..but hopefully will see you guys tomorrow

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planktonboy:

and thanks for the help...appreciated :)

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GreyFoxx:

clever_: Out of curiousity, what kernel version ?

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clever_:

backend is using 45% cpu

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clever_:

2.6.15-28–386

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clever_:

on the laptop

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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planktonboy:

thanks clever

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planktonboy:

:)

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clever_:

2.6.15-27–386 on the backend

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planktonboy:

cheers GF :)

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clever_:

the backend did a kernel upgrade but i have yet to reboot it

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planktonboy:

laterz

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clever_:

both back and front are the same release of ubuntu

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clever_:

prebuffering again

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clever_:

Cpu(s): 51.9% us, 8.1% sy, 18.0% ni, 13.4% id, 2.8% wa, 0.3% hi, 5.6% si

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clever_:

isnt the backend cpu

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Honk:

13% idle isnt exactly much though :P

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clever_:

but if its 0.0% idle it would be a problem

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clever_:

backend is 1.6ghz

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clever_:

frontend is 700mhz right now

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GreyFoxx:

That's low, but should be fine enough

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GreyFoxx:

mpeg4 or rtjpeg ?

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clever_:

if i hit 90% usage for over 10 seconds

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever_: It could also be your switch... I had to remove one of my switches — it was causing too much network lag – my hd prog would play fast for 2 secs, then pause, then repeat... Removed the extra switch, and it played perfectly.

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clever_:

the laptop auto changes to 1ghz

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clever_:

not shure which format the vid is now

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clever_:

i record in rtjpeg

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clever_:

then transcode to mpeg4

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clever_:

not shure if it transcoded itself ye

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clever_:

t

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GreyFoxx:

why would you do that ?

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clever_:

when recording in mpeg4 its messed up

[03:32:36]

clever_:

and the channel here went silent when i asked for help with that

[03:32:37]

GreyFoxx:

why transcode it

[03:32:50]

clever_:

recording directly to mpeg4 causes invalid files

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: Perhaps his cpu isn't up to the task of real-time mpeg4 encoding?

[03:33:40]

clever_:

realtime isnt enabled

[03:33:43]

GreyFoxx:

You are missing my point

[03:33:45]

clever_:

its all usermode

[03:33:50]

GreyFoxx:

Why transcode the rtjpeg to mpeg4

[03:33:56]

GreyFoxx:

but I gotta run anyway

[03:35:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever_, Not real-time priority, encoding the 'raw' video from your tuner card into mpeg4, in real-time — 30fps... I don't think your CPU is fast enough to do that.. Hence the bad files.

[03:35:10]

clever_:

ahh

[03:35:17]

clever_:

its a framegrabber

[03:35:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever_: When transcoding, it can be done slower than real-time.

[03:35:29]

clever_:

yeah

[03:35:44]

clever_:

once these shows are over i'll set it to record directly to mpeg4 to repeat the errors

[03:35:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever_: Another issue perhaps is that mpeg4 takes alot of CPU to decode. Perhaps your 1ghz laptop isn't quite fast enough to do that in real-time...

[03:35:52]

xris:

J-e-f-f-A: that shouldn't be the issue. low cpu would usually just result in jumpy files.

[03:35:59]

xris:

clever_: is mythtv telling you that the files are bad?

[03:36:12]

clever_:

my laptop is able to handle it in 700mhz easily most of the time

[03:36:22]

clever_:

xris: the file plays oddly and the audio is scambled

[03:36:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

aka 'jumpy'... ;-)

[03:36:38]

clever_:

and theres many audio errors

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xris:

ahh. then yeah. have you looked at your cpu usage during encode?

[03:36:49]

clever_:

on stdout/err?

[03:37:00]

clever_:

havent thought to look there yet

[03:37:34]

clever_:

once the shows are finished i'll be able to play with the recording options without loosing anything

[03:37:35]

xris:

back when I had a framegrabber card, I had to work hard to tweak the bitrate and other settings like 4mv before I could actually use it.

[03:38:46]

Smirnov:

anyone know if tivos let you record HD non-OVA shows?

[03:39:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever_: I think what you'll find is that when you're attempting to encode directly to mpeg4, your cpu is probably pegged...

[03:39:39]

clever_:

yeah it might be

[03:39:52]

clever_:

also the audio is from /dev/dsp1 not the input card

[03:40:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever_: You really, really need to get a Hauppauge PVR-150!!!!!

[03:40:08]

xris:

Smirnov: depends on the tivo.

[03:40:09]

clever_:

lol

[03:40:15]

** clever_ makes 0$/month **

[03:40:16]

xris:

Smirnov: and your setup.

[03:40:26]

Smirnov:

xris: so if a tivo can do it, mythtv too i assume..?

[03:40:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever_: Fire up the printer! (Just kidding!!!)

[03:40:33]

clever_:

LOL

[03:40:48]

clever_:

i'll just hax paypal and +4000 my balance:P

[03:40:49]

xris:

Smirnov: depends. what kind of tv connection are you talking about?

[03:41:21]

clever_:

theres 1 show encoding and 1 left to be recorded not long:)

[03:41:21]

xris:

Smirnov: that could be.. cable, satellite, etc.

[03:41:29]

xris:

Smirnov: they're all different

[03:41:58]

clever_:

5028k ram free on my backend

[03:42:14]

kormoc:

before or after buffers and cache?

[03:42:14]

clever_:

i tweaked the vm settings to keep a little more ram then normal FREE

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xris:

kormoc: beat me to it.

[03:42:21]

clever_:

before buffers and cache

[03:42:41]

clever_:

1240k buffer and 185796k cache

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kormoc:

clever_, really, there's no point in not letting ram get used as filesystem cache

[03:42:54]

xris:

clever_: I have 19M free on mine.. with almost 1.2G in buffer/cache.

[03:43:07]

clever_:

Mem: 515988k total, 507740k used, 8248k free, 1240k buffers

[03:43:07]

clever_:

Swap: 1052216k total, 432176k used, 620040k free, 185796k cached

[03:43:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

Smirnov: if it is capable of recording HD from another source, then the tivo is either 5c encryption compliant, or would require non-5c encryption to work (just like Myth)... I do not know if the HD Tivo has a firewire port though, and if it does, if it is a 5c-enabled device...

[03:43:23]

clever_:

kormoc: i was thinking if i have 5mb fully free

[03:43:28]

kormoc:

clever_, your swap sucks, it points to a low memory issue

[03:43:35]

xris:

J-e-f-f-A: assuming he's even talking about the US.

[03:43:36]

Smirnov:

J-e-f-f-A: tivos can decrypt the things?

[03:43:40]

clever_:

it might be able to alloc a slightly bigger buffer asap when framegrabbing

[03:44:04]

xris:

Smirnov: I don't think anyone here knows. hdtivo costs like $800. mythbox is $500–600.

[03:44:04]

kormoc:

clever_, that's kernel memory, which is reserved during boot anyway, so no, your system vm settings don't affect that

[03:44:10]

clever_:

kormoc: the swap is often full on all my boxes but its not actualy swapping much

[03:44:33]

kormoc:

clever_, in short, it shouldn't do that on a healthy system

[03:44:41]

Smirnov:

xris: well i was just wondering, i dont want a tivo or anything, but if they can go around the HD encryption it would be pretty bs

[03:44:49]

clever_:

my laptop with i think 256mb ram is often over 50% swaped

[03:44:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever_: Well, the swap space on my new backend with 2GB physical ram is 176k used atm...

[03:44:53]

kormoc:

Smirnov, no, tivo's can get around it

[03:45:00]

clever_:

most of which is the X server i think

[03:45:08]

xris:

Smirnov: tivo has the advantage of being able to PAY to do it legally.

[03:45:21]

Smirnov:

thats blah, i already pay for my cable

[03:45:26]

kormoc:

Smirnov, the only tivo's that can are sold by the company, like comcast

[03:45:30]

xris:

but since most DVRs you get from cable/satellite companies these days use the tivo OS, tivo doesn't really care.

[03:45:38]

Smirnov:

kormoc: oh... i meant THE tivo

[03:45:47]

xris:

Smirnov: most of them *are*

[03:45:51]

clever_:

Cpu(s): 1.2% us, 1.2% sy, 0.0% ni, 97.5% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si

[03:45:54]

clever_:

Mem: 125548k total, 64144k used, 61404k free, 27520k buffers

[03:45:56]

clever_:

Swap: 330616k total, 0k used, 330616k free, 25588k cached

[03:46:06]

clever_:

that bos isnt even using the swap right now:P

[03:46:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever_:

[03:46:12]

clever_:

and it has 28 proc's

[03:46:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever_: See, that's what you want to see!

[03:46:21]

xris:

Smirnov: OS is more than just the kernel

[03:46:33]

clever_:

J-e-f-f-A: that box is only running bind dhcpd and a sshd

[03:46:59]

clever_:

named sshd bash klogd dhcpd sshd top syslogd udevd agetty gpm and several kernel threads

[03:47:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever_: My backend that I noted above with 2GB phys ram is currently running mythbackend, mysql, etc... and recording a HD program. Only 176kb swap space allocated atm...

[03:47:42]

clever_:

my backend is running a dual screen X server

[03:47:44]

xris:

J-e-f-f-A: mine does that in 512M.

[03:47:58]

clever_:

14% ram to frontend

[03:48:06]

** clever_ closes it to free up stuff **

[03:48:33]

clever_:

the frontend uses up alot of swap without actualy swaping

[03:48:35]

kormoc:

my mythbox is 768 megs of ram, dualhead X, mysql, apache, recording, comflagging, frontend on both heads, 130 processes, 256k of swap used

[03:48:50]

kormoc:

clever_, if *Swap* is being used, it is *swapping* *something*

[03:49:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: My 'old/current' backend only has 512mb — and it's got 261MB swap allocated atm. That's why I bought 2GB for my new backend...

[03:49:09]

clever_:

swap usage is from idle programs that are just sitting in swap

[03:49:19]

Smirnov:

my backend has got 2gb, :)

[03:49:20]

clever_:

swapping is when its trying to use more data then the ram can handle

[03:49:30]

clever_:

and its having to swap and unswap data over and over

[03:49:40]

kormoc:

clever_, no, swapping is when it's swapped from main memory to the disk or back again.

[03:49:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever_: yeah, like recording, and watching, and transcoding, and commercial flagging.... ;-)

[03:49:56]

kormoc:

clever_, you are talking about it being slow, which it might not be, but it is indeed swapping

[03:49:59]

clever_:

but what if its just sitting in swap and not moving in/out?

[03:50:29]

kormoc:

it still swapped to get into swap

[03:50:43]

clever_:

my laptop is playing a vid in the frontend

[03:50:50]

clever_:

and the ram and swap usage is perfectly stable

[03:50:54]

clever_:

nothing moving between the 2

[03:51:15]

clever_:

31% swap used and no actual access going to/from the swap

[03:51:55]

kormoc:

still not overly healthy for the system

[03:52:12]

clever_:

normaly when using the frontend on my laptop im up at 80% swap

[03:52:25]

clever_:

but i just recently rebooted it so firefox and X havent eaten it all up yet

[03:52:45]

clever_:

total used free shared buffers cached

[03:52:45]

clever_:

Mem: 256160 253664 2496 0 5488 77236

[03:52:45]

clever_:

-/+ buffers/cache: 170940 85220

[03:52:45]

clever_:

Swap: 746980 231356 515624

[03:52:49]

clever_:

laptop usage

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kormoc:

flooding the channel isn't very nice

[03:53:14]

clever_:

sorry

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clever_:

frontend back to 1x and its not lagging

[03:55:16]

clever_:

now it is:P

[03:55:27]

clever_:

backend has 0.0% idle

[03:55:37]

clever_:

41% backend 41% mysql

[03:57:33]

clever_:

4mins left on the current recording

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clever_:

then 2 hours of 'idle'

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clever_:

backend finished recording for now

[04:01:32]

clever_:

cpu should be more free

[04:01:38]

clever_:

yet im still getting prebufferings

[04:01:57]

clever_:

with 42% idle on backend

[04:02:49]

clever_:

both front and backend read as having eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok

[04:12:27]

clever_:

i see half my problem

[04:12:33]

clever_:

routing tables are being ignored

[04:12:37]

clever_:

streaming over wifi:P

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever_: Then set your wifi to a totally different network....

[04:15:03]

clever_:

i still had other stuff going over the wifi

[04:15:03]

clever_:

im shifting it to all eth now

[04:15:05]

clever_:

there

[04:15:52]

clever_:

now i wont get arp answers going out the wrong interface

[04:16:42]

clever_:

ive played with routing tables alot before:)

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clever_:

sometimes even when .60 is set to use eth0 i get it going over the wrong interface

[04:17:58]

clever_:

using a static arp enter on the other end may help

[04:18:39]

jschwepp:

Ok, I got a problem. When I first start MythTV, the chroma is fine, but when I change the channel it screws up the chroma of my picture. Any ideas?

[04:19:57]

clever_:

J-e-f-f-A: do you know how i would set my pc to route data out 2 interfaces at once to use the bandwidth from both at once?

[04:25:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever_: No — in the 'modem' world that was known as 'binding'... I don't know how to do that with networks...

[04:25:22]

clever_:

ahh

[04:25:38]

clever_:

ive heard of it being called trunking too

[04:30:33]

hjohnson:

it can be done, but the switch has to support it as well.

[04:30:49]

hjohnson:

for a while I had 2 10/100 links to my switch doing it

[04:31:13]

clever_:

its a cisco switch

[04:31:42]

clever_:

and i think if i dont have the switch supporting it

[04:31:57]

clever_:

then the incomming data will be going to an interface chosen by the source pc

[04:32:27]

clever_:

and the outgoing would come out both and merge in the dest queues that are to fix out of order packets

[04:33:46]

clever_:

id just have to conf the source's to know of both interfaces and device between the 2 dest mac's at the source end

[04:34:16]

clever_:

devide*

[04:35:43]

clever_:

if the source and switch dont know of the trunking it will just wind up using a random line from within the trunk

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justdave:

are there any utilities for use outside of the MythTV environment for cataloging videos and so forth for use within MythTV? Not sure where to look.

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justdave:

things like editing the descriptions and the thumbnails and so forth

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kormoc:

as in mythvideo?

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justdave:

right.

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kormoc:

well, there's a editor in mythweb

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kormoc:

and I'm re-writing it so it'll not suck so much soon

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kormoc:

but that's bout it

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justdave:

I know there's a utility for doing that within MythTV, but it seems slightly tricky to use because of being designed to work with a remote control

[05:10:31]

kormoc:

justdave, heh, mythweb isn't inside of mythtv :P

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kormoc:

mythweb is the web browser interface

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justdave:

ah yeah, that's the ... yeah, that.

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justdave:

is that on port 80 if it's running?

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kormoc:

likely

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kormoc:

you'd need apache setup and all that jazz

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justdave:

Have a bunch of videos on a hard drive that are sorted but otherwise have sloppy filenames and they all show up as blank squares with no descriptions in mythvideo. :) And using the video index editor inside MythTV is going to take forever to do them all :)

[05:13:14]

kormoc:

justdave, have you tried the imdb lookup function?

[05:13:53]

justdave:

no, most of it is japanese fansub stuff, didn't think it'd be in there :)

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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justdave:

and vino on Ubuntu Dapper sucks.

[05:15:42]

justdave:

I don't have a high-def TV on my myth box (it's a 33" pre-digital cable-ready TV)

[05:15:52]

justdave:

vncing in is the only way I can see anything outside of Myth

[05:16:18]

justdave:

and vino (which is what was preinstalled on it) can't keep up, it starts lagging badly if you're connected more than 30 or 40 seconds

[05:16:43]

justdave:

have to keep disconnecting and reconnected to get an updated screen (or not move the mouse for 5 minutes to let it catch up)

[05:18:18]

justdave:

I tried installing xvncserver but I can't get it to run. probably a topic for another channel

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justdave:

ok, mythweb is installing

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clever__:

kormoc: got mythfrontend streaming somewhat stablaly over wifi

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clever__:

but it has to be down ar arround 0.75 to 0.8 speed

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clever__:

i think its still rtjpeg atm

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clever__:

30mins 1.2gig

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justdave:

hmm, permissions are interesting.

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justdave:

think it'll be easiest to try to get apache to run as the mythtv user to make this work

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justdave:

whee, got it working

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justdave:

are there more plugins for mythweb somewhere that I need to install to be able to edit things?

[05:41:22]

justdave:

the only obvious stuff I see (other than scheduling recordings) is just letting me browse what's there

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justdave:

this is all 0.20 I suppose I should mention. :)

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clever__:

wb J-e-f-f-A

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J-e-f-f-A:

wt*???? Twice tonight...

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clever__:

kik

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clever__:

lol i mean

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J-e-f-f-A:

Get your fingers on the right keys!

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clever__:

harder to type in the dark

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pab:

Want to play around with Beryl but keep myth going on the tv. Is there a way to do that?

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clever__:

wb kormoc

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justdave:

how do I get the channel lineup loaded into myth? I have a zap2it account set up, and have run mythfilldatabase and the nightly cron job has run a couple times. I have the correct program schedule (the listed programs are correct) by the channel names all say "Adding channel XX" instead of a name.

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Wow, you're on FiOS now too? ;-)

[06:01:13]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, been so for a few months, aye :P

[06:01:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

cool.

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Is FiOS TV available for you yet?

[06:02:08]

kormoc:

I believe so

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ctjctj:

How do I add a filesystem to the disk space available for storing recordings? I remember reading that some sort of naming convention would allow it to happen.

[06:03:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

I was considering switching from Dish to FiOS TV, but I've heard that everything is encrypted over firewire... :-(

[06:03:56]

kormoc:

ctjctj, you can use something like LVM, or upgrade to svn trunk and use the storage group feature

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clever__:

kormoc: where is the storage group feature?

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ctjctj:

storage group feature is NOT in 0.20-fixes?

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kormoc:

ctjctj, aye, it's a -trunk only

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kormoc:

clever__, somewhere in mythtv-setup likely

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clever__:

i beleive i have the latest svn version

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clever__:

if i run HOSTNAME=theP4 mythtv-setup

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clever__:

would it wind up changing the backend settings for that diff host?

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ctjctj:

kormoc, thank you. Not sure I'm up to that right now. I was on -trunc till I found that there was a protocol change from the binary packages on my backend.

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clever__:

my binary package was 0.18

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clever__:

ick:P

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clever__:

my svn install is protocol 32

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justdave:

yeah, I had that problem... my myth box (Ubuntu) is 31, the published binaries for Mac OS X are protocol 30, and the svn nightlies are 32. (tried to get a client on my laptop)

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clever__:

i just stuck the svn on my laptop and backend

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clever__:

32 all round

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clever__:

just cant livecd a spare frontend up right now

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clever_:

w00t not that ive transcoded to mpeg4 i can stream over weak wifi at full speed

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justdave:

anyone have any ideas on my channel name problems?

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justdave:

everything I can find on the web just says to run mythfilldatabase, but I've done that several times and it hasn't changed anything. :)

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ctjctj:

for now I just used LVM and am being very impressed at adding 100GB of disk to a system live.

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ssstormy:

hello, I've been attempting to help out my master backend by starting up a slave mythbackend on my desktop (which, needless to say, has far more horsepower)

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ssstormy:

<ssstormy> and that seems to work fine

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ssstormy:

<ssstormy> but I have two questions

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ssstormy:

first, for the slave to help transcode or auto comm flag stuff being recorded on the master backend, do they need to share the recording directory, eg. nfs?

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clever_:

comm flaging can stream the video out of the backend

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clever_:

transcoding cant right now

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ssstormy:

aww dang

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ssstormy:

that's the really intensive one :P

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clever_:

if you remotely mount it to the same place

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clever_:

so that /var/lib/mythtv/ contains the same files on both pc's

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clever_:

then the transcode will act like there local

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clever_:

and should work

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ssstormy:

oh ok cool

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ssstormy:

on that thought, how do I deal with the userid's? when I mount my recording dir on the slave, it reads the files as belonging to avahi, which isn't right :P

[07:01:18]

clever_:

ive played arround with using a second backend to do my comm flaging but so far it just segfaults at 99%

[07:01:32]

clever_:

one way is to make a uid maping file

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** clever_ gets a line from my setup **

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clever_:

first line is from /etc/exports

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ssstormy:

ooh ic

[07:02:29]

clever_:

and it says to use /etc/nfs/laptop.map to match the uid/gid's

[07:02:35]

clever_:

2nd is from laptop.map

[07:02:52]

ssstormy:

neat

[07:03:13]

ssstormy:

also, one last question

[07:03:15]

clever_:

i just make a seperate map for each client i use thru nfs

[07:03:25]

clever_:

and map just the uid i expect to use thru it

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clever_:

man page for exports has alot more infp

[07:03:47]

ssstormy:

ok

[07:03:50]

ssstormy:

when I try using nuvexport, it connects alright, but it says it found no valid recordings. nuvexport on the backend works fine, but it's slow

[07:04:06]

clever_:

i havent played with nuvexport yet

[07:04:26]

clever_:

but ive found a way to convert the bloated 1.2gig per 30mins to a better 700mb per 30min

[07:04:34]

clever_:

sometimes 300mb

[07:04:46]

clever_:

still nuv but better space usage

[07:04:50]

ssstormy:

oh heck I get about 300 per on mine now

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clever_:

lol

[07:04:56]

ssstormy:

I had that same issue as you before

[07:05:06]

clever_:

my system was using rtjpeg encoding

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ssstormy:

but when I moved it all off the desktop and into the server, it just went away

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clever_:

several gig per hour:P

[07:05:15]

ssstormy:

oh I was using mpeg

[07:05:26]

ssstormy:

mpeg4, was recording at 4G/hour

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clever_:

when i try to encode right to mpeg4 i get corrupt files

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ssstormy:

now it's what it should be, I don't know what changed

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clever_:

so i record to rtjpeg then transcode to mpeg4

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ssstormy:

clever_, it might not be fast enough to do mpeg4 on the fly

[07:05:58]

clever_:

yeah

[07:06:06]

clever_:

i may also just need to tweak the bitrates

[07:06:23]

clever_:

crap cpu fan crashed

[07:06:33]

clever_:

fan normaly comes on at 80C and off at 60

[07:06:42]

clever_:

but its crashed and stuck on now

[07:06:46]

ssstormy:

huh

[07:06:55]

clever_:

my laptop can turn the cpu fan on and off

[07:07:00]

clever_:

and its a bit loud

[07:10:27]

clever_:

mythfrontend and commflagging can stream the nuv files out of the backend itself

[07:10:42]

clever_:

so without nfs i can still watch recordings and tv

[07:11:47]

clever_:

but right now livetv is in rtjpeg which my wifi cant stream:S

[07:13:16]

ssstormy:

ah

[07:13:19]

ssstormy:

too big of a file

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ssstormy:

?

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clever_:

too high of a bit rate

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Dagmar:

What kind of crap wifi are you using?

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clever_:

b

[07:13:51]

clever_:

not g

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Dagmar:

Is this an HD signal or something?

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clever_:

sd

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Dagmar:

802.11b will carry an SD stream

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kormoc:

Dagmar, he is using rtjpeg, which isn't very light on the space

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clever_:

did i mention its rtjpeg?

[07:14:30]

Dagmar:

Oh wait, you're one of those damn framegrabber people

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clever_:

:P

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clever_:

ive set the livetv recording profile for mpeg4

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Dagmar:

Welcome to another reason why they suck

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clever_:

now to debug the problems i had with it

[07:15:24]

clever_:

streams fine now:)

[07:16:25]

clever_:

last time i tryed encoding directly to mpeg4 for recordin it made corupt files:S

[07:17:06]

clever_:

backend is only using about 50% cpu

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clever_:

rest is going to a mpeg4 transcoder

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clever_:

its not even maxing my 700mhz cpu:P

[07:17:54]

clever_:

on the decoding end

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justdave:

yay, got vncserver running finally (rather than vino) and it's MUCH faster. :) can interact with the machine remotely in realtime now. :)

[07:19:16]

clever_:

vncserver makes its own X server

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clever_:

vino is crap

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clever_:

x0vncserver is similar to vino

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Dagmar:

Well, I'm not trying to rub it in or anything, but I've been streaming over wireless for awhile now.

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clever_:

theres also a module which you stick right into xorg.conf which i think works best

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Dagmar:

yay pvr-500

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Dagmar:

...and real men use ssh tunneling X protocol. ;)

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justdave:

yeah, vino couldn't stream the data fast enough for me to pick menu items without having to wait 5 minutes for it to react :)

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clever_:

i dont vnc INTO linux often

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clever_:

vino used tons of cpu power

[07:20:38]

justdave:

Yeah, I was tunnelling X for a while

[07:20:43]

justdave:

only so much you can do that way :)

[07:21:13]

justdave:

especially since my client machine is OS X, and it doesn't have gnome, so the windows all look weird :)

[07:21:22]

clever_:

lol

[07:21:49]

justdave:

that's the funny thing I've noticed about VNC...

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clever_:

im forwarding a gnome-panel from my server over to my laptop

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clever_:

so i can use the ram/cpu graphs in it

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justdave:

the VNC servers on Mac OS X kick ass. Most of the ones on Linux suck.

[07:22:18]

clever_:

justdave: have you tryed the X module vnc server>

[07:22:19]

justdave:

but the VNC clients on OS X suck an the Linux VNC clients rock

[07:23:02]

justdave:

it's like the people who actually care must VNC into OS X boxes from Linux all the time or something

[07:23:04]

clever_:

i had to install a certain package then added this under the modules section of xorg.conf

[07:23:08]

clever_:

Load "vnc"

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justdave:

haven't tried that one.

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clever_:

then this under a screen section

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clever_:

Option "SecurityTypes" "VncAuth"

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clever_:

Option "UserPasswdVerifier" "VncAuth"

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clever_:

Option "PasswordFile" "/root/.vnc/passwd"

[07:23:27]

Dagmar:

I think mainly they probably just use another mac

[07:23:39]

clever_:

then i used vncpasswd to make the /root/.vnc/passwd file

[07:23:49]

clever_:

then restart X

[07:24:16]

clever_:

thats silimar to the hooks mode of the windows vnc server

[07:24:30]

clever_:

since its an X module it can be informed asap when a window changes something

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clever_:

it wont have to ask X whats on the screen every 3 seconds and eat cpu

[07:25:06]

Dagmar:

Or you could just tunnel an X app

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clever_:

vncserver just makes its own server with that type of module running and no rela display

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Dagmar:

...since that also doesn't involve polling or spinlocks

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clever_:

17 03:20:11 < justdave> especially since my client machine is OS X, and it doesn't have gnome, so the windows all look weird :)

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** clever_ points out that he doesnt have gnome localy and it makes the x11 forwarding look odd **

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Dagmar:

clever_: I am tunneling X apps to my *windows* desktop at work.

[07:25:53]

clever_:

ive done that once before

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clever_:

but i dont use it much

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Dagmar:

Just because someone isn't on a Linux machine doesn't mean they need to run screaming to Windows solutions for their problems.

[07:26:34]

clever_:

the last time i was on a mac

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Dagmar:

OSX is a lot closer to Linux than it is Windows.

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clever_:

i wasnt able to ssh -X to tunnel from my house

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Dagmar:

Tunneling an X app to it == not hard

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clever_:

and i wasnt as much of an expert back then

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kormoc:

turn on ssh compression and X tunneling works much better

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Dagmar:

Yep

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clever_:

kormoc: i was getting about 10kb/sec avg on my network with x11 forwarding

[07:27:30]

clever_:

after turning on compression it droped a good deal

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clever_:

its 100mbit but its still a noticable drop in usage

[07:28:30]

Dagmar:

ssstormy: Of course. Lots of people get by with a PVR-150.

[07:28:54]

ssstormy:

Dagmar, what I mean is some people are just happy with the 2 framegrabber cards they got for free

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ssstormy:

like, for example, me

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Dagmar:

After awhile, most people get fed up with the problems lamegrabber cards cause and throw a little more money at the problem.

[07:29:29]

ssstormy:

I'll get one eventually

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clever_:

ssstormy: i dont think i can record 2 framegrabbers at once right now

[07:29:36]

ssstormy:

when I have a little more money to throw in

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kormoc:

ssstormy, sure, but your setup works, where as a certain other person has been in here for a week complaining bout his

[07:29:51]

ssstormy:

clever_, lol.. well, my comp is 1.7GHz so maybe it can handle

[07:29:57]

clever_:

mines 1.6ghz

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ssstormy:

didnt' u say 700MHz?

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clever_:

and in mpeg4 livetv the backend is using 51–55%

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clever_:

700mhz is the frontend

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ssstormy:

kormoc, oh, that's no fun

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ssstormy:

clever_, ah

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clever_:

also the frontend is actualy 700mhz/1ghz

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justdave:

ok, got x11vnc working.

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clever_:

it underclocks itself to save power

[07:31:06]

Dagmar:

Don't forget to mention that you have other things running massive SQL queries on your MySQL server

[07:31:13]

justdave:

the main menus in Myth don't display under it for some reason.

[07:31:17]

justdave:

setup menus seem to work fine though

[07:31:23]

clever_:

Dagmar: yeah but those wont cause the backend to use more cpu

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kormoc:

justdave, toggle the QT/GL painter engine?

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clever_:

but the backend is 0% idle atm

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ssstormy:

justdave, yeah, and turn off opengl

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justdave:

ok, where do I do that?

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kormoc:

in the settings table, in the frontend settings, or via a command line option, I don't know it off hand tho

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** clever_ fires up john -restore to bake his cpu some **

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justdave:

ok, found it

[07:33:53]

justdave:

the only choices are Qt and OpenGL

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justdave:

switched it to Qt and it made it worse

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kormoc:

ick

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Dagmar:

Does it make flaming holes in your display where the text should be?

[07:34:57]

Dagmar:

I don't see how it gets worse than "doesn't draw menu text"

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justdave:

with OpenGL it shows the menu when you load it, but moving the cursor around doesn't change which item is highlighted (via vnc – but on the real screen it moves fine)

[07:35:54]

Dagmar:

We need a bit more than "oh noes!" to go on to suggest a proper fix, man.

[07:36:04]

justdave:

wih Qt it doesn't display anything at all on the menus

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justdave:

except for the background

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Dagmar:

Okay, so VNC sucks.

[07:36:15]

Dagmar:

Have we covered that already?

[07:36:19]

justdave:

heh :)

[07:36:53]

justdave:

at least this version of vnc passes my keypresses through right away, so I can use the laptop from the other side of the room to move the cursor on the screen :)

[07:36:55]

ssstormy:

vnc is great

[07:37:08]

ssstormy:

for many reasons, including that :)

[07:37:16]

clever_:

vnc is mainly good for controling winblows

[07:37:18]

ssstormy:

it's more than ssh+X, it's a remote control too

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Dagmar:

Becuase it makes people ask questions about why VNC isn't working?

[07:37:48]

ssstormy:

because ssh+X has issues

[07:37:57]

Dagmar:

Personally, I prefer to use a $12 remote to control the machine across the room

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ssstormy:

vnc does too of course

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clever_:

if the viewer shuts down

[07:38:05]

Dagmar:

ssstormy: Like, you don't know how to use it maybe?

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clever_:

the X forwarded program does too

[07:38:14]

ssstormy:

but there's very few things you have to worry about setting up vnc

[07:38:22]

ssstormy:

like, I've used both

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ssstormy:

and I like both

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** clever_ points to ssstormy that a winblows vnc server can be cracked instantly **

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Dagmar:

X forwards Myth here fine... well, except for the bandwidth on live video

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clever_:

major flaw in he auth code

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ssstormy:

clever_, not if it's not on windows and it's on a local network behind a firewall

[07:38:56]

clever_:

just change 2 lines in the viewer source and it becomes a cracking viewer

[07:39:10]

** kormoc blinks **

[07:39:18]

clever_:

the server lists off the supported auth methods

[07:39:30]

clever_:

and with a password it will only support password auth

[07:39:30]

justdave:

ok, so back to my original problem... how do I get the channel names to load off zap2it?

[07:39:38]

kormoc:

so does ssh servers

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clever_:

and if the viewer asks to use nopass auth anyway

[07:39:40]

justdave:

all I seem to be getting is program schedules

[07:39:41]

clever_:

it gets right in

[07:39:52]

kormoc:

what app is this?

[07:39:58]

clever_:

real vnc server

[07:40:01]

Dagmar:

justdave: That and their callsigns is all you usually get

[07:40:21]

justdave:

I'm not even getting callsigns, they all say "Adding Channel XX" where the callsign would normally go.

[07:40:31]

clever_:

it doesnt confirm that the auth method the client chose is allowed and one that was even offered

[07:40:52]

kormoc:

that seems like something that would be fixed rather fast

[07:40:58]

clever_:

yeah

[07:41:04]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Well, script kiddies had to play with it for a few weeks first

[07:41:17]

clever_:

the free version is open source

[07:41:30]

clever_:

but they dont seem to accept patches and havent release new versions for a while

[07:41:54]

clever_:

theres also a personal and enterprise with more features and closed source and needs a pay/key

[07:42:19]

Dagmar:

...and it's still VNC.

[07:42:28]

clever_:

yeah but the enterprise vnc viewer

[07:42:29]

Dagmar:

If you're using it over X forwarding, you're just abusing yourself.

[07:42:30]

clever_:

can scale

[07:42:41]

clever_:

resizing the image to fit the window/screen at your end

[07:42:59]

clever_:

but that isnt even needed with x11 forwarding

[07:44:10]

Dagmar:

VNC messes with the colors on your porno.

[07:44:14]

Dagmar:

'nuff said.

[07:44:17]

clever_:

lol

[07:44:23]

clever_:

there is a color addjustment

[07:44:30]

clever_:

can be anywhere from 8 colors to full colors

[07:44:38]

clever_:

to addjust the speed/quality

[07:44:44]

clever_:

x11 forwarding lacks that feature

[07:44:53]

Dagmar:

x11 forwarding doesn't need it.

[07:45:02]

Dagmar:

It just sends the porno without messing around.

[07:45:06]

clever_:

some programs redraw oddly slow thru x11

[07:45:17]

clever_:

so it will be like porno on a 28k modem:P

[07:45:33]

clever_:

even the text would load like that sometimes

[07:45:40]

kormoc:

clever_, no offence ment, but when you talk about things being slower then they should, it doesn't really mean much anymore

[07:45:59]

Dagmar:

...and it doesn't bear much weight with someone who's using X forwarding right now

[07:46:06]

** ssstormy is sad; his 266MHz laptop can't play XviD or nuv, when 5 years ago his 133MHz played DivX... **

[07:46:18]

clever_:

x forwarding works fine over 100mbit

[07:46:37]

clever_:

but with dialup or cross continent it begins to lag alot

[07:46:59]

Dagmar:

ssstormy: So go find some half-QIF sized DivX porn like you were downloading 5 years ago

[07:47:21]

justdave:

nobody has any ideas how to load my callsigns?

[07:47:32]

clever_:

divx can still have varrying bitrates and resolutions

[07:47:32]

ssstormy:

downloading porn? on a 1MB per 10 minute connection?

[07:47:35]

Dagmar:

justdave: It should already be getting them by default

[07:47:38]

clever_:

which can affect its cpu usage

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ssstormy:

Dagmar, I laugh

[07:48:01]

ssstormy:

we had dialup. And it was really really bad dialup too

[07:48:05]

Dagmar:

ssstormy: Okay, so transcode things down to 160x120 and they'll play on the 133Mhz machine

[07:48:16]

ssstormy:

oh good point

[07:48:22]

ssstormy:

I wonder if I can then fullscreen them

[07:48:35]

clever_:

set the res of the pc to 160x120:P

[07:48:38]

justdave:

Dagmar: all the channels say "Adding Channel XX" on them, where XX is the channel number

[07:48:43]

clever_:

then it wont need to do any scaling/zooming

[07:48:56]

Dagmar:

justdave: So of what significance do you think that is?

[07:48:59]

Dagmar:

You keep repeating it

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** clever_ goes off to sleep **

[07:50:19]

justdave:

because it should have callsigns instead of that

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justdave:

I think it got those by running Channel Scanner

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Dagmar:

justdave: When you log into zap2it, do you see call letters on the Lineup Wizard – Details screen?

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justdave:

yes

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Dagmar:

You dont' have to run a channel scanner if you're using Zap2it.

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Dagmar:

That *might* be what's screwing you up

[07:51:15]

ssstormy:

I think you have to set up two things though, a lineup and something else...

[07:51:23]

justdave:

yeah, I figured it was..

[07:51:23]

Dagmar:

Not really.

[07:51:40]

justdave:

If I deleted all the channels and ran mythfilldatabase the channels didn't come back though

[07:51:50]

Dagmar:

All you have to do is have an empty channel list, tell it your zap2it login info, and run the grabber

[07:51:55]

justdave:

not sure how to make it start over.

[07:52:01]

** justdave gives it another shot **

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Dagmar:

At this point it's sounding like you're only about three commands away from having blown out the db anyay

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ssstormy:

in case you are trying the add channel place, this should be under sources

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justdave:

ooh, got'em

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justdave:

and they actually have full names, not just call signs :)

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justdave:

yay

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justdave:

I think I did the channel scan because I was only getting 13 channels and the rest were static

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justdave:

that was later discovered to be the us-bcast vs us-cable in the frequency tables

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Dagmar:

Oohhh

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Dagmar:

If you'd just mentioned that

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justdave:

sometimes the hardest part of getting answers is knowing which question to ask :)

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justdave:

next stupid question... have an external VCR set up with cables to the composite inputs on the tuner card. How do I tell myth that I want to watch the composite inputs instead of the tuner?

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user01:

hello

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cesman:

justdave: 'y' or 'c'...too tired to recall at this moment

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user01:

i need help converting a VDR channels.conf to myth

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cesman:

read 'keys.txt' in the mythtv source

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cesman:

may also be in 'docs'

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user01:

any help for me ?

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user01:

hello?

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justdave:

hmm, Y doesn't do anything, C puts up "1: Tuner 1" on the screen for a moment, but doesn't change what I'm looking at.

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** justdave suspects I don't have a source configured correctly somewhere **

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juski:

mornin'

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v juski

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Dagmar:

You can't change to inputs you don't have tied to a source

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xris:

juski: so why the name change-back?

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juski:

I dunno. just felt like it

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xris:

heh

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xris:

are you all recovered from yesterday?

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juski:

in terms of what got deleted, yes I think

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juski:

in terms of how & why.. not sure

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xris:

any luck figuring out how/who?

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xris:

ah.

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xris:

lame

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justdave:

hmm, so I created a generic source, and set the composite input to use that source...

[08:30:16]

justdave:

still can't seem to get to it from the livetv viewer

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juski:

justdave: does that generic source have any channels?

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justdave:

yeah, I created one, but it wants a frequency? I left the default

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juski:

xris: if it was somebody at work – and I have reasonable grounds to suspect that – then I have a good idea who it was

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xris:

that'd f'd up

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juski:

I won't be tempted to go for a like-for-like retribution though

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Dagmar:

Of course.

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Dagmar:

They didn't cut your brake line

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justdave:

when I view that input, it still says "please add channels to this source"

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justdave:

but if I go to the channel editor and filter by that source, it shows the one I created...

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xris:

juski: that's good

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juski:

I reckon it's the guy who grabs the back of my chair & shakes it as he goes past. I've never found that funny & told him so on wednesday

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juski:

it certainly wasn't anybody in IT.. they don't even know how to get a pc to renew its own IP lease

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juski:

tempting as it is to delete all his sourcecode, I'll refrain to keep my job :)

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justdave:

ok, got it. had to do a channel scan on it, for whatever that was worth. :)

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juski:

?

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juski:

maybe you'd not restarted mythbackend after making the changes

[08:42:12]

justdave:

ok, my remote doesn't appear to have a C key on it

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justdave:

heh

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justdave:

I hit C on the keyboard and it works

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justdave:

I think I need a remote with more buttons on it

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ssstormy:

hey, got a question. I know this is probably not specifically the right place, but I imagine you guys ahve dealt with this before-

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ssstormy:

I have a gigabit connection between two computers with average speed disks (7200RPM, ~60MB r/w)

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ssstormy:

but when I transfer large files, the speeds I experience are more like 3 or 4 MB/s

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ssstormy:

which is reminicent of 100Mb/s

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juski:

samba?

[08:44:35]

ssstormy:

yeah

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juski:

use NFS

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ssstormy:

ah ok

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ssstormy:

what a shame. I used to hate samba cause it never worked, but the auto discover now that it's working is great

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justdave:

hmm, got a nice fancy Phillips universal remote here... wonder what I have to program it for to get the Microsoft IR receiver to recognize it

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ssstormy:

what's the issue with samba, out of curiosity?

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Dagmar:

Are you using Samba on both ends?

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juski:

over NFS on my 100mbit ethernet I get very nearly 10MB/sec

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Dagmar:

justdave: That's between you and Google

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Dagmar:

I get near max throughput with Samba over 100b-T

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ssstormy:

Dagmar, hwo could I only use samba on one end?

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Dagmar:

ssstormy: TYpically by one end being a damn Windows box

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juski:

justdave: USB IR dongles aren't always capable of learning other IR codes, FYI

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ssstormy:

oh i get what u mean

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ssstormy:

no, both of them are linux

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ssstormy:

although my laptop is windows2000 cause I couldn't find a lightweight linux that worked well enough for me

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ssstormy:

and believe me, I tried. something like 10 diff distros.

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erazor:

anyone ever made an iso mount mod for mythtv? ie. if you tried to play an ISO file from the disk, it would mount it and then play it?

[08:49:05]

** ssstormy notices dagmar has stopped speaking to him **

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juski:

erazor: you can already play DVD isos

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** ssstormy thinks he knows why **

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erazor:

oh, really?

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juski:

erazor: really

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kormoc:

erazor, just point mythvideo at it as if it was a video, and it'd play, menus and all

[08:49:50]

erazor:

alright. i was just wondering. i'm planning my PVR right now.

[08:49:58]

ssstormy:

just on a tangent, is it possible to boot from an iso image on your harddrive

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juski:

that is, iso images of DVD video discs

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erazor:

i'm pretty excited.

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ssstormy:

erazor, that's good. The excitement helps pull u throught the agnony of it not working at first

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Dagmar:

ssstrormy: No, it's not.

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Dagmar:

...not possible

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ssstormy:

Dagmar, what's not possible?

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juski:

booting from an iso image on your hard drive

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erazor:

what's the best way output HD content, DVI -> HDMI?

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Dagmar:

DVi -> IMAX

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kormoc:

yes

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juski:

you can mount an iso image as if it were a real disc, but not boot from it

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kormoc:

ssstormy, the os needs to be run before you can access the iso image, and then it's too late

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erazor:

would dvi to hdmi display 720p content nicely?

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Dagmar:

probably

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kormoc:

why wouldn't it?

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erazor:

just curious, hd is new to me.

[08:53:34]

Dagmar:

cockroaches in the TV

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Dagmar:

Gamma radiation leaks

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juski:

hdmi is only DVI on a different kind of plug, with digital audio connection added

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Dagmar:

Your home filled with tapioca pudding.

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Dagmar:

Plenty of reasons.

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erazor:

ah, thanks.

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kormoc:

erazor, do monitors display 1280 x 720 over dvi?

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kormoc:

heh

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erazor:

heh. easily.

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ssstormy:

kormoc, you need something running, yes

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ssstormy:

but what about grub?

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Dagmar:

Zombie attacks.

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Dagmar:

Almost forgot that one.

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ssstormy:

erazor, dvi to hdmi is way better than 720p

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Dagmar:

TVs are always acting flaky during a zombie attack.

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kormoc:

ssstormy, grub doesn't understand iso's

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juski:

zombie attacks also have a nasty habit of breaking mythtv boxes

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ssstormy:

can grub boot cd's?

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kormoc:

ssstormy, that's a mounted image, not a iso, different way to access the data

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ssstormy:

erazor, my dvi connection does 1080i

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ssstormy:

probably 1080p too but the tv can't handle it

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erazor:

oh, cool.

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erazor:

what card are you using?

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ssstormy:

kormoc, my thought is just since iso's are basically a copy of the cd, you could ask grub to treat the iso as a device

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ssstormy:

erazor, it's just a eVGA 7600GS

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kormoc:

ssstormy, grub doesn't understand devices like that

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ssstormy:

kormoc, yeah, I didn't think so. The fact that it can read files from filesystems before boot seemed potentially promising though :P

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ssstormy:

the only other idea I ever had was make a 700MB partition and write the iso to that w/ dd

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ssstormy:

but I never did much w/ that idea

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Dagmar:

That wouldn't work so well either

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ssstormy:

then I tried some other things like booting it like a linux system w/ the cd's kernel and initrd, with the same boot options except the iso as the root fs

[08:58:57]

ssstormy:

that didn't work either, although I'm not surprised

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ssstormy:

I have yet to try pointing it to the image files inside

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ssstormy:

which is probably in retrospect more realistic

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Dagmar:

Make a 700mb partition, and then copy the *files* into it. That will work.

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ssstormy:

ah really?

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ssstormy:

cool

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erazor:

mind if i paste my computer specs right now?

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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kormoc:

use a pastebin

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ssstormy:

erazor, generally irc ppl are sticklers

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ssstormy:

and want pastbin

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erazor:

alright

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Dagmar:

We're not "sticklers".

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Dagmar:

We don't want our screens filled up with crap about some newbs system

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ssstormy:

lol

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juski:

yeah I mean who's likely to google the motherboard model number to find out what its specs are & pass judgement?

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ssstormy:

I don't know about u guys, but when ppl get all "PASTEBIN IT" over like 4 lines

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juski:

ssstormy: sssh

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juski:

we have a channel policy now let's stick to it

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Dagmar:

ssstormy: Because two n00bs spamming four lines each is all it takes to obliterate the windo

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Dagmar:

...and it's never "just" four lines.

[09:02:30]

ssstormy:

you only have an 8 line window?

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Dagmar:

It's always some jackass pasting 20.

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Dagmar:

About 15 lines actually.

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ssstormy:

juski, I know, I'm not trying to say they shouldn't be in place, I'm just commenting on extremists

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Dagmar:

No, we are not extremists.

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Dagmar:

We are the norm.

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juski:

I like the term extremist :)

[09:03:16]

Dagmar:

Let me put this another way

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Dagmar:

You're in a room with 20 people.

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Dagmar:

Everyone is talking in a reasonable tone of voice.

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Dagmar:

THEN SOME JACKHOLE

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Dagmar:

STARTS SHOUTING

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Dagmar:

AT THE TOP

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Dagmar:

OF HIS LUNGS

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Dagmar:

ABOUT HIS PET POODLE

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Dagmar:

AND IT"S NEW FUZZY SWEATER

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Dagmar:

AND NO ONE ELSE CAN TALK

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Dagmar:

dig?

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erazor:

http://pastebin.ca/360170

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Dagmar:

Yuck. Windows buggery

[09:04:41]

erazor:

eh. i like to play games.

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ssstormy:

wow

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ssstormy:

learn something new every day

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Dagmar:

Why is it weren't supposed to care about this?

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ssstormy:

I didn't know there even was a windows 2003

[09:04:57]

Dagmar:

w/weren't/we're/;

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ssstormy:

they musta really liked 200

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juski:

windows server 2003

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erazor:

ssstormy: it's actually windows xp 64bit.. but the script gets confused.

[09:05:23]

kormoc:

ssstormy, my irc window is 8 lines, yes

[09:05:35]

ssstormy:

kormoc, wow, u running in a CUI?

[09:06:00]

kormoc:

ssstormy, nope, just a small window tucked in a corner of my one monitor

[09:06:25]

ssstormy:

ah. hmm, is pastebin using java? about half the characters are all f'd up

[09:06:40]

erazor:

it displays it correctly in the box below, though.

[09:06:40]

juski:

erazor: that's not a spec of a system. it's an e-penis measurement

[09:06:42]

Dagmar:

No, it's screwy windows color codes

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ssstormy:

and earlier I noticed that beta wasn't displaying in java

[09:06:51]

ssstormy:

beta as in the greek leter

[09:07:06]

ssstormy:

no, it displays equally bad in both places

[09:07:31]

erazor:

juski: heh.

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ssstormy:

juski, lol if u want to measure their ego, u don't need all that, just look at their RAM

[09:08:02]

ssstormy:

if they want to show they got $$ RAM is the way to show it

[09:08:15]

erazor:

ram is cheap

[09:08:26]

juski:

and all that omgoptomised SLI shite

[09:08:26]

ssstormy:

not entirely

[09:08:44]

ssstormy:

heh I want to try SLI out sometime

[09:08:47]

ssstormy:

see how great it is

[09:08:56]

ssstormy:

see Oblivion play outside in the grass w/ out lag

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juski:

wow! I got another 2.5fps !!!

[09:09:04]

erazor:

it's nice, i promise.

[09:09:20]

kormoc:

ssstormy, do I get to total up the ram from all the systems I admin? cause that would give me quite a bit!

[09:09:20]

ssstormy:

anyway, about the ram is cheap

[09:09:26]

juski:

no doubt you'll want to be dual-booting this box to be your mythtv aswell

[09:09:26]

ssstormy:

nowadays 1gb is cheap

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juski:

in which case I'll say talk to the hand

[09:09:39]

ssstormy:

but u want 2gb sticks it seems to be 4x the price

[09:10:02]

ssstormy:

kormoc, if we got to do that I'd have something like 10GB of ram

[09:10:03]

erazor:

i just have a gig in each channel.

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kormoc:

ssstormy, the max in a single box is 4 gb, total is around maybe 40 gigs or so

[09:10:43]

juski:

how much 1337-ness does dual channel ram actually get you anyway? 5%?

[09:10:48]

ssstormy:

ooh nice

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kormoc:

(4 gb ECC)

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ssstormy:

what's the max 32bit can address?

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kormoc:

juski, heh, it's mostly just lower latency

[09:11:15]

ssstormy:

I know most mobo's only take 4GB, but I forget what 32bit can do

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Dagmar:

Much lower latency

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kormoc:

ssstormy, 4 gb I believe

[09:11:39]

juski:

lower latency sure but what does that buy you in actual *performance* increase?

[09:11:43]

ssstormy:

juski, think of it like the RAM version of raid

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Dagmar:

...which is basically what it is

[09:12:08]

erazor:

i also run two 7900gts (sli)

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kormoc:

juski, performance in raw numbers? not much, faster feeling tho

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ssstormy:

Dagmar, which is why I made that comparision

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juski:

show me some numbers to justify the extra expense ;)

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Dagmar:

juski: I haven't noticed any extra expence

[09:12:35]

kormoc:

extra expense? wow

[09:12:36]

ssstormy:

erazor, just give me your cpu and I'll be happy :P

[09:12:41]

kormoc:

it's standard on everything anymore

[09:12:48]

erazor:

their cheap now

[09:12:49]

ssstormy:

an X2 would have been so awesome when I was using gentoo

[09:12:53]

juski:

I don't believe in spending twice the money to gain the last 5%

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erazor:

i paid 450 for mine..

[09:13:06]

erazor:

but they've gone down to around 200 now

[09:13:06]

Dagmar:

Whoa how arae you managing to spend twice the money?

[09:13:15]

kormoc:

juski, it tends to be cheaper actually

[09:13:21]

Dagmar:

Usually 2x512 is _cheaper_ than 1x1Gb

[09:13:23]

ssstormy:

mine were corsair for 240 w/ a 40 rebate

[09:13:27]

ssstormy:

dual 1gb

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kormoc:

juski, if you want a gig, 2x512 is cheaper then 1x1g... yeah, what Dagmar said

[09:13:52]

Dagmar:

juski: Has someone been filling your head with crazy-talk?

[09:14:06]

juski:

the older I get, the more baffling all the CPU/socket/RAM combinations get

[09:14:13]

Dagmar:

dual-channel RAM configurations are pretty much a zero-cost default with anything not obsolete (i.e., 754-pin chipsets)

[09:14:49]

juski:

754 is obsolete already?!

[09:14:53]

erazor:

i have this

[09:14:55]

ssstormy:

don't listen to him

[09:15:00]

erazor:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227210

[09:15:04]

juski:

it's been out all of 2 minutes

[09:15:05]

Dagmar:

Now you're just being a smartass

[09:15:10]

kormoc:

juski, heh, if someone owns it, it's obsolete :P

[09:15:15]

juski:

lol

[09:15:32]

ssstormy:

erazor, wait how did it cost 400 then

[09:15:47]

juski:

by the time I can afford to upgrade, the lowest spec you'll be able to buy will prolly be a dual-cpu 4Ghz thing

[09:16:01]

kormoc:

juski, not that there's anything wrong with that :P

[09:16:02]

erazor:

ssstormy: how did what cost 400?

[09:16:04]

ssstormy:

nah, AMD won't break 4GHz for a while

[09:16:12]

ssstormy:

erazor, I seem to remember u said u spent 450 on ram

[09:16:19]

kormoc:

ssstormy, who said amd? :P

[09:16:30]

erazor:

no, that was on my cpu

[09:17:38]

erazor:

i got it right after it was released, so it was expensive.

[09:18:06]

erazor:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131568

[09:18:28]

erazor:

my motherboard

[09:18:45]

kormoc:

that's about what I have

[09:19:01]

juski:

over 200GBP just for a couple of gig of ram. ouchy

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kormoc:

ooh, its a bit faster then mine :P

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Dagmar:

So why are we caring about your hardware again?

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kormoc:

cause it's late and we're all crazy

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ssstormy:

oh btw I read somewhere tthat te ECC was only helpfull on dedicated servers

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Dagmar:

Well, at least we're not trying to publicly stroke our epenises

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erazor:

i'm new, so i figured i'd share.

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juski:

time for breakfast methinks. hmmm... dead pig sandwiches :-P

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ssstormy:

Dagmar, and also at least we're not trying to publicly stroke OTHER"s epenises

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kormoc:

ssstormy, depends on what you're going for

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Dagmar:

ssstormy: Congratulations on not having actually learned what ECC is, despite access to the intertubes

[09:20:38]

Dagmar:

*sigh*

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ssstormy:

eh, I learned, but that was 6 months ago

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ssstormy:

and it's not currently important to me

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Dagmar:

That's good.

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Dagmar:

ECC isn't actually useful to many people.

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kormoc:

I perfer the sata2 version for $5 more

[09:24:12]

erazor:

yeah, i just saw the other one

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Dagmar:

Screw it

[09:24:22]

Dagmar:

Go for te 500Gbz

[09:25:02]

Dagmar:

OTherwise, if you don't use two-day shipping, by the time you get that drive, the next larger model will have dropped in price to match it

[09:25:20]

Dagmar:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136073

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Dagmar:

$139

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erazor:

not bad at all

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adante:

Yi wish i could get those drives for that price

[09:27:42]

erazor:

why can't you?

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kormoc:

he's a few thousand miles too far away

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Dagmar:

KOala embargoes.

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erazor:

ahh.

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Dagmar:

Try to ship something to Australia and the joeys and drop bears will raid the caravan and take everything most of the time

[09:30:54]

erazor:

i'm excited to play roms on my tv

[09:31:13]

Dagmar:

Damn. A USB 100-disc carousel, but still no way to get it to feed a slot-loadedr.

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: will these work in linux?

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Dagmar:

I don't think it would take more than an evening or two to *make* it work

[09:32:09]

Dagmar:

It doesn't really do anything except spin around and eject/suckup discs

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Dagmar:

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=CENTURYCD&cpc=HPM

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Dagmar:

Not very advanced technology.

[09:32:44]

Dagmar:

If it could spew those discs into a drive, it would be more than the almost-useless it is now

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Dagmar:

I'm not hacking something up with legos to bridge that last few inches

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: i'd love to have one. right now, i've just thrown all my discs in a bbig box.

[09:33:53]

Dagmar:

Well, now you know where to order one from

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Dagmar:

You might wind up having to hack up a driver yourslef, but seriously...

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Dagmar:

How complex could the instructions it takes over USB possibly be?

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kormoc:

sweet, kernel, ivtv, lirc are all upgraded on my mythbox perfectly

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erazor:

lirc is for the remote, right?

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kormoc:

Dagmar, absolute polar cords based on a vector from a kangroo in AU

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kormoc:

erazor, aye, as well as my ir blaster and ir keyboard

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: it's probably not that hard to make a userspace driver using usbfs or something if you can get documentation from the vendor

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erazor:

kormoc: hard to set up?

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kormoc:

I didn't think so

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: I'm kind of a bastard. I'd just hack up the windows driver until it told me what I needed to know

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: that sounds painful.

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Dagmar:

I'm figuring it probably just sends all of about four different commands, maybe a max of five bytes in length

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Dagmar:

Less painful than trying to get programming specs out of some guy in Canton

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gardengnome:

heh

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Dagmar:

On the days when Perl::LibUSB works I can do some neat things

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gardengnome:

one m ight be able to sniff the USB traffic by running windows in a VM like virtualbox

[09:37:36]

Dagmar:

Yep

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justdave:

ok, trying to get it to automatically play DVDs when I put a DVD into the drive... when I enable the CD/DVD Monitoring in the General settings, it opens a browser on the file structure of the DVD, completely ignoring the preference in the DVD Settings to play it or not.

[09:38:16]

Dagmar:

justdave: That's fun. Try turning off KDE.

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gardengnome:

justdave: that's a known issue, IIRC. it's caused by your distro using the wrong mount options. check the tickets at svn.mythtv.org

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: it is? Fuuuun.

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Dagmar:

I figured it was just the KDE automounter being a stubborn little bitch

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: yep, the media monitor thinks it's a CD with pictures because the folders are video_ts instead of VIDEO_TS

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ssstormy:

I just read that page about the autoloader, and I was reminded of once

[09:39:34]

ssstormy:

in a store, I found an ethernet cable in a box

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Dagmar:

Then again, one of the advantages of building on Slackware is that it's so primitive there's nothing extra lying in wait to screw things up

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gardengnome:

that's possible, too. although my KDE automounter asks me what i want to do on disc insertion

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ssstormy:

that had written on the lable "Compatible with Windows and OSX"

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ssstormy:

I couldn't help but wonder

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Dagmar:

There *are* people stupid enough to not know

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ssstormy:

how could an ETHERNET cable not be compatible

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Dagmar:

They're usually division heads, too.

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ssstormy:

yeah I know

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ssstormy:

I started coming up with labels for other products in my head

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erazor:

alright guys, thanks for the information tonight. goodnight.

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Dagmar:

If you want a good example, a several years back I had the CIO for the State of TN calling for my head on a stick.

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ssstormy:

u know, for cases we have "Compatible with all versions of windows 9x and xp

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Dagmar:

He was this angry because I wound up on the 10 o'clock news on a Friday night saying that the State of TN had jack and shit for IT security.

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Dagmar:

He felt we should have contacted the "appropriate people" to tell them of our concerns.

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gardengnome:

i installed windows yesterday. i was asked to reboot after installing a dvd player and after installing winamp. ffs!

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justdave:

gardengnome: I saw mention of that on the FAQ, it said to make the mount options udf,iso9660 instead of auto

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ssstormy:

dont' u hate it when they get mad at u for telling the truth

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Dagmar:

We'd done that six months previously, or tried to anyway.

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justdave:

it's already udf,iso9660 in my fstab

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gardengnome:

justdave: oh, i don't know then, sorry

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Dagmar:

I remember seeing one of the network admins explaining it to her one day while I was replacing one of their tape drives.

[09:43:09]

ssstormy:

I've never seen a cat3 O.o

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Dagmar:

Talk about being shocked when I found out who she was.

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Dagmar:

They were using token ring on half their network then

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ssstormy:

I've always believed a good leader/commander should be fully capable of doing all his subordinate's jobs

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ssstormy:

helps them be better leaders

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Dagmar:

I as well.

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Dagmar:

About half the time it's a matter of incompetency floats to the top

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ssstormy:

unfortunatly, I haven't been around long enough to know token ring :(

[09:44:31]

ssstormy:

yeah, simple physics

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Dagmar:

One repair visit I went on, I could see someone was attempting to crack a solaris box because of what was scrolling up the console.

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ssstormy:

what was that?

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Dagmar:

The woman in charge of them had zero knowledge about Solaris. She was just changing backup tapes until next month when she was scheduled to go have some training on them.

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ssstormy:

speaking of which, I've been meaning to try out solaris on my desktop

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ssstormy:

what's your impression of it?

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Dagmar:

Since then I've pretty much come to the conclusion that you can judge the strength of an IT infrstructure's security by how violently the management reacts when you publicly speculate that they might have a problem.

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doc|work:

someone attempting to crack doesn't make them incompetent. Someone successfully cracking it and them dealing with it badly, then yeah...

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Dagmar:

Solaris is okay but if you have LInux you don't much need it on x86

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justdave:

ok, based on a Trac ticket, I changed that to just "udf", dropping the iso9660 part

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justdave:

now it works

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Dagmar:

doc|work: no, someone attempting to crack it, me pointing this out to her, and her saying she has no idea what any of it means and wouldn't care so long as she can still change the backup tapes... THAT is incompetence

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ssstormy:

doc|work, nah see the problem with them cracking it is that it means they can't figure out how to OPEN it

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Dagmar:

doc|work: Don't put yourself in the position of defending these idiot redneck sumbitches. Trust me.

[09:47:32]

Dagmar:

They're fuckin' morons.

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doc|work:

I'm not defending them, but your example isn't that great. :/

[09:48:07]

Dagmar:

The thing that initially got me upset enough to be looking for the media was that an uncontrolled scan from What's Up turned up that over half the state's infrastructure devices still had default SNMP variables set.

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Dagmar:

I could go on for HOURS about the ways they had no clue.

[09:49:15]

Dagmar:

...and by that I mean if you'd wanted to shut down the tax processing capability of the state, it would have been a few minutes' work to do so

[09:50:12]

Dagmar:

About six years later they finally had someone do some audits

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Dagmar:

A friend of mine, in fact.

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Dagmar:

Turns out they DID crack that solaris box. It was still compromised when he got to that department.

[09:51:26]

Dagmar:

It had been compromised for so long the guys had sealed it up nice and tight and made their backdoor so that only a certain IP range from Utexas could login.

[09:51:38]

Dagmar:

Utexas had stopped using that netblock about two years previous.

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Dagmar:

pwned for *ages* it was

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** gardengnome wants one of those CD storage units so badly now **

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** ssstormy just has lots of cd **

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ssstormy:

's sitting upside down on his desk

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johnf:

Can anyone point me in the direction of debugging a frontend problem. Have had front and back working on same box for ages. Now I've added another frontend. Everything works perfectly except live tv freezez and locks up whole app after 5–15 secs

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ssstormy:

try pausing immediatly after starting live tv

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ssstormy:

and waitng a few seconds

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ssstormy:

DaveMorri1, have you loaded the module for it?

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juski:

just tried to watch the Shitawards. oh dear. russel brand just isn't very funny

[10:30:29]

DaveMorri1:

its in the 2.19 + kernels though apprarntly, but whats the module called and I'll check

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juski:

DaveMorri1: checked the linuxtv wiki?

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doc|work:

I hate that hairy fcuker

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ssstormy:

DaveMorri1, it's in the kernel, sort of. chances are, it's a module

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juski:

hairy (ex)crack addict :)

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DaveMorri1:

I thought stuff is ment to show up with lspci even without drivers for it though

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kormoc:

it should

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juski:

sometimes doesn't work like that

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ssstormy:

it's funny like that

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ssstormy:

doesn't work like that 100% of the time

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kormoc:

but if it requires some special magic to initialize, then it might now

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kormoc:

*not

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: i've found alinux driver for a similar CD management device: http://sourceforge.net/projects/dacal/

[10:33:05]

juski:

I do lspci & it doesn't list anything other than connexant $videochip x2

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DaveMorri1:

hmm, linuxtv wiki says it dosen't work on a PCI 2.1 system, how can I tell if I have that?

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juski:

always check the wiki before buying. otherwise you're going on nothing but hope

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ssstormy:

wow what an abstract problem

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ssstormy:

suddenly I am very impressed by dell

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juski:

aww the guy who invented the TV remote control is dead :(

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doc|work:

!

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doc|work:

tv_remote_control_guy++

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ssstormy:

on their support site, they have device drivers/manuals section for computers they made that are 286 and 386 arch!

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johnf:

hmm so if I pause so some buffereing happens then no lock up. As soon as I change channel so there is no more buffer it locks up a few seconds later

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Dagmar:

You aren't going to be likely to find a PCI 2.1 system for sale anywhere

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DaveMorri1:

one of my machines is a P2

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Dagmar:

...but it's up to *you* to research your own hardware

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johnf:

wonder what that means

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Dagmar:

Not to hold it up to show us and ask us to thikn fo ryou.

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: Nice

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juski:

Version 2.1 approved in 1995

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** Dagmar pokes at sources **

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DaveMorri1:

yeha I know thatm but how do I find out? Can I type a command or do I have to trawl through manual

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Dagmar:

DaveMorri1: Manual

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DaveMorri1:

thanks

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: i just need to find a cheap shop because i'm not going to pay EUR100 for one

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juski:

RTFM! ;)

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juski:

gardengnome: the s100 page is back up. forgot about that yesterday

[10:39:23]

gardengnome:

good )

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gardengnome:

:)

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: probably not, i'm cheap. i've read that the OEM says they are sold for less usually

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: mind you, one would have to combine the device drive with a database. i could see myself doing that with mythvideo, but everything looks like a nail once you've got a hammer

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Dagmar:

Well, like I said before, I'd rather have one that can feed discs to a drive, but...

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Dagmar:

Here's the problem.

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Dagmar:

150 x 4.7gb = 705Gb

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Dagmar:

1 x 500Gb = $139 with no storage delays

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Dagmar:

Again, hard drives have outstripped the capacity of all other media's ability to keep up

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juski:

yeah til the mythical holographic storage crystals hit the shops...

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: yeah, i did that math too. :/

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ssstormy:

Dagmar, indeed, although people still use cd's and dvd's and tapes for backup

[11:03:01]

ssstormy:

I bet it's just because you HAVE to take it out of the computer

[11:03:10]

ssstormy:

it's not much of a backup if it's on site now is it

[11:03:19]

ssstormy:

on that thought, how much do tapes store now?

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DaveMorri1:

even though the device is pci, it appears as usb so shows up under lsusb :)

[11:11:23]

juski:

gardengnome: uploading something you might find interesting to have a play with :)

[11:11:44]

juski:

DaveMorri1: the nova-t 500 is two USB DVB-T tuners on a PCI card

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gardengnome:

juski: nifty :)

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DaveMorri1:

yeah, it wasn't shwoing up under lspci and I thought it was broken

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janneg:

juski: to nitpick, it is one usb dual tuner with usb controller on board of a PCI device

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juski:

janneg: weird :)

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** gardengnome notices that janneg is nitpicking a lot today. :) **

[11:13:46]

janneg:

DaveMorri1: you should see a USB HCD in lspci

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juski:

gardengnome: 90 secs left or so

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DaveMorri1:

yeah, but I was looking for the actual card, like I've got on my other card, a T350 i think

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juski:

prepare to be a little 'wowed' ;)

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gardengnome:

juski: i've got some errands to run, i'll try it later in the afternoon. wish i could try it now :)

[11:15:03]

juski:

no rush

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juski:

there's no little animated guy with an antenna sticking out of its ass but hey

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Dagmar:

We can fix that

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juski:

maybe I could make a little animated noobie character going into a microwave & exploding

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juski:

that'd be cute

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Dagmar:

Just show him going crosseyed and red-cheeked while shoving a tripole antenna between his cheeks

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gardengnome:

juski, Dagmar: that'd be a perfect match: http://spk.ifrance.com/101_cartmandish.jpg

[11:19:42]

juski:

since the png flipbook could be anything, I could vidcap myself giving you lot the finger

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: I had somehting much less petite at the insertion end in mind

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Dagmar:

Something like http://www.radio-modules.com/products/Antenna . . . enna-750.jpg

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juski:

I've actually been thinking about this & I can't come up with anything that'd actually *add* something

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Dagmar:

Or maybe this snake oil sticker http://www.andybrain.com/extras/images/cellph . . . sticker.jpg, provided one can be obtained made of 1/4" thick sheet metal

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juski:

blimmin eck – what band is that for with elements that short?

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Dagmar:

juski: Radio frequencies with nothing to prove

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juski:

erm... in radio, length is everything .. wavelength that is

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juski:

WHAT?! to renew my passport I might have to be *interviewed*?! WTF is going on?!

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Dagmar:

juski; It's to make sure you can go ten minutes without screaming "BLOOD FOR ALLAH!!@#!@#" and setting your shoes slight.

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Dagmar:

a/slight/alight/;

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juski:

I hope that's all it's for

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Dagmar:

Here we go.

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Dagmar:

http://www.sdxa.org/images/Multi-polarized%20Beam%20Antenna.jpg

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Dagmar:

There's the kind of antenna you wanna be shoving up a cartoon character's bum

[11:26:54]

Dagmar:

...or maybe http://www.tomshw.it/guides/video/20040805/images/antenna.jpg

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Dagmar:

The important details being that they are both very large and pointy

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juski:

:)

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juski:

dunno if I mentioned this before but I upgraded ivtv recently & the picture Q seems much higher now

[11:38:09]

juski:

it was good before, but now it's like *whoah*

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GeM:

I read in the mythtv-setup screen that mythtv can stream from a dbox2.. I've tried some googling, and can't find much information about the dbox2.. looks like it's out of production and not beeing sold anymore.

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GeM:

Will there be dreambox support ?

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juski:

if somebody writes it, yes

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DaveMorri1:

lol

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juski:

what's so funny?

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DaveMorri1:

because there will be support for everything once somebody has written it

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juski:

levon! LTNS :)

[11:44:41]

juski:

DaveMorri1: yeah all it's gonna take is for somebody to get off their behind & do it

[11:44:44]

levon:

indeed – hiya juski

[11:45:31]

GeM:

I'd do it.. but I'm not smart enough

[11:45:32]

juski:

how's things? not seen you around since I was pestering you about that patch I was doing

[11:45:43]

DaveMorri1:

only problem is dealing with hardware is harder than dealing with software generally

[11:46:17]

levon:

jusik: yeah, it's been some time. I had quite a lot of things on my hands, I moved from Hannover to Berlin, and and and.

[11:46:24]

juski:

GeM: the dreambox software is quite similar to the dbox2 so maybe it'd not be that difficult to do

[11:47:04]

GeM:

maybe it already works? :)

[11:47:07]

juski:

levon: yeah I'm busy with my theme stuff these days

[11:47:27]

juski:

GeM: maybe, but Ive not seen any talk about it

[11:47:55]

levon:

juski: I'm busy with cebit preparations, but afterwards I'd like to continue my dbox stuff. I completely reworked the channel handling and stuff.

[11:48:59]

levon:

I also began implementing the new frontend stuff into v4l for the h264 based hdtv stuff, but that's a long road to go.

[11:49:09]

levon:

also it needs api changes.

[11:49:15]

juski:

ouchy

[11:49:57]

levon:

;-)

[11:50:20]

GeM:

my fault :)

[11:50:40]

juski:

if anybody goes MIA I can fully understand it – I've been tempted to 'go dark' myself a few times

[11:50:55]

levon:

hehe.

[11:51:45]

juski:

anyway – loads of stuff to do. housework :( ++

[11:54:29]

levon:

have fun. I'm in the company today, too. Loads of stuff to do ;)

[11:58:15]

Dagmar:

Here's a token snowflake for yas --> *

[12:00:21]

GeM:

And I was glad the snow almost was gone..

[12:00:36]

Dagmar:

We don't get snow that often here. Mainly it's just ice storms that tear down powerlines

[12:00:48]

Dagmar:

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/link.asp?L=210501

[12:02:15]

Dagmar:

Lucky bastards

[12:02:42]

GeM:

yeah right..

[12:02:50]

Dagmar:

Trust me

[12:02:59]

Dagmar:

Given the choice between snow and ice, you want *snow*

[12:03:41]

Dagmar:

It's kind of amusing to stand outside and listen to transformers explode from the extra load caused by downed lines, but only until you go inside and realize you've been punted back to 1890 for the next day or two

[12:04:07]

Dagmar:

The majority of the power lines here are pole to pole, *not* underground.

[12:04:34]

Dagmar:

I have UPSes coming out my ears, but they won't last for more than a few hours.

[12:04:46]

Dagmar:

...and yes, it's a little hard on the ears.

[12:05:10]

GeM:

that's not good.. we're having some trouble with that here too, but more and more of the powerlines are underground

[12:06:17]

Dagmar:

...and "just snow" might make for slush and snowbanks, but a 1/2-inch glace of ice all over everything means you just don't drive unless you can wrap your car in spare tires to protect it agains the people on the road who don't understand driving by thrust instead of traction (which they no longer have)

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Dagmar:

Tehre's all kinds of hillbillies around here who think four-wheel drive somehow means traction on ice.

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GeM:

haha :)

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GeM:

I've seen that.. some people think that the traction is good because of the good acceleration you get on ice with a 4wd car.. But the braking distance is the same as any other car...

[12:09:45]

GeM:

some surprise..

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Dagmar:

Usually I just shift into L1 and drive like i'm playing Jupiter Lander

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Dagmar:

...which scares the hell out of police

[12:10:24]

Dagmar:

I might be only going 2mph, but they don't like seeing me flagrantly spin the vehicle so I can change thrust direction

[12:10:34]

Dagmar:

yay small cars!

[12:11:02]

fryfrog:

you need a small jet engine!

[12:11:17]

Dagmar:

That would probably be too much thrust

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fryfrog:

i saw someone on the internets who made a jet engine out of a turbo charget

[12:11:43]

fryfrog:

charger

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fryfrog:

neato!

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Dagmar:

I keep it in L1, not for "traction", but so that engine idle can't turn into any higher level of rpm on the tires

[12:12:07]

Dagmar:

I doooon't want it going to second gear for any reason

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stuarta:

afternoon all

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sebrock:

hello all

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sebrock:

Is there a way to swap channels in alsamixer?

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sebrock:

Is there a way to swap channels in alsamixer?

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** stuarta shrugs **

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** sebrock shrugs too **

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The_Ball:

sebrock, of course, i don't remember just how, it's something to do with mapping

[13:20:49]

liri:

has anyone seen these mvix boxes?

[13:21:09]

sebrock:

The_Ball, yeah, thing is that if I only could do that then my multimedia keys will work without any hassle

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sebrock:

try to remeber ;)

[13:22:57]

stuarta:

RTFM?

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livingtm:

Hey does a video imported as a .vob take a hell of a lot more processor than one that has been compressed with the "excellent": setting? IM seeing that the .vob takes 40% process while the compressed version runs at about 3%.. thats a huge difference!

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juski:

afternoon stuarta

[13:30:11]

juski:

what does RTFM mean?

[13:30:15]

stuarta:

afternoon juski

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livingtm:

juski, look it up :-)

[13:30:29]

stuarta:

you'll appreciate it :)

[13:30:32]

juski:

where would I look it up?

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juski:

;)

[13:30:40]

livingtm:

wikipedia

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livingtm:

where else

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juski:

stuarta: I done gone done uploaded a beta of somefin' ;)

[13:31:19]

janneg:

juski: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=RTFM

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livingtm:

Can i get the mythvideo plugin to use the internal player? is there any reason i wouldnt want to?

[13:31:31]

janneg:

:)

[13:32:21]

juski:

stay sane, make your ignore list nice & long. that's my new credo

[13:32:23]

S2:

livingtm, just set the player to "Internal" with capital I and you are done :)

[13:32:53]

livingtm:

S2 Cool.. is there an advantage? I wanted to try because mplayer doesnt seem to respond to my remote control

[13:33:37]

** stuarta ponder which ticket to attack first **

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S2:

livingtm, just do it and try it out.

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livingtm:

S2 Will do. thought someone mught have some insight

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Dagmar:

livingm: Does your .lircrc have entries in it for mplayer?

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Dagmar:

Keep in mind, it's not working by magic

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Dagmar:

It has to be told you want to send button presses to mplayer, or it just *won't bother*

[13:35:17]

Dagmar:

...but generally you want the internal player to handle things.

[13:35:23]

Dagmar:

It's less of a pain.

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livingtm:

Dagmar, ok thanks.. it seems liek after I play a video using mplayer, I start gettgin ausio buffer overflows and have to reboot my system to clear it up

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sebrock:

anyone knows how and if its possible to control the fan speed with any app?

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sebrock:

is this anything: http://www.tinet.org/~com.ea/rtsensors/

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Dagmar:

euwwww

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sebrock:

Dagmar, hum?

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richard:

Hi folks, my xmltv/tv_grab_fi/EIT scanner seems to be broken, and I'm not sure about what to do next

[14:09:51]

richard:

I can scan manually for channels, but I won't get any program info

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stuarta:

no, that's how they communicate

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stuarta:

firewalling them from the outside world is however recommended

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drnoone:

but the backend and the frontend are in the same machine...

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stuarta:

yes, it's still how they communicate

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drnoone:

ok....thanks!

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stuarta:

np

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Dagmar:

Oh HO!

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Dagmar:

I think I'm finding something that might be the reason certain colors in my theme seem to freak my TV the hell out

[14:32:56]

Dagmar:

Apparently full black and fully white would normally be verboten for broadcast

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Dagmar:

...and I'm using the hell out of both

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Zider:

how should a plugin go about to install itself in the menus of mythtv?

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tcpsyn:

Anyone got a script that'll iterate through an MP3 directory and pull the album art? For mythmusic?

[16:38:20]

livingtm:

I am getting errors while playing a .vob with myths internal player: "Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!"

[16:38:58]

livingtm:

the file plays great using mplayer form the command line

[16:39:17]

livingtm:

Google is turning up with lots of reports but no solutions

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Zider:

is it 44 or 48 KHz audio?

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livingtm:

straight off of a dvd

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livingtm:

whatever that it

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livingtm:

is

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Zider:

48KHz then I assume

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livingtm:

probably

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livingtm:

Zider, any suggestions?

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Zider:

not really.. I had that problem with 44KHz media being played on my soundcard that only does 48KHz.. but now I dunno.. :P

[16:43:27]

livingtm:

interesting as well.. the file is 6GB... are DVD's 4 or 8?

[16:43:35]

Zider:

depends

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Zider:

single-layer are 4,7GH, dual-layer is 9 something

[16:43:53]

Zider:

GB even

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livingtm:

are movie DVD's dual layer?

[16:44:02]

Dagmar:

DVDs would be 48khz

[16:44:05]

Dagmar:

Most of them are.

[16:44:12]

livingtm:

ok

[16:44:19]

Dagmar:

Most of them seem to contain approximately 5Gb of data, just to annoy the hell out pirates

[16:44:33]

livingtm:

Why would the .vob play ok in mplayer, but not in myths frontend? if it were strictly audio format....

[16:44:37]

Dagmar:

5Gb of data for the feature segment anyway

[16:44:43]

Zider:

don't see how that would annoy anyone, it isn't too hard to shrink it..

[16:44:52]

Dagmar:

It's _time consumptive_ to shrink them

[16:45:05]

livingtm:

Dagmar, cant you just burn it to dual layer?

[16:45:12]

Dagmar:

You can.

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Zider:

not by much imo.. but I guess todays kids want everything to be instant :P

[16:45:27]

Dagmar:

pirates are cheap, and generally they use single-layer media.

[16:45:35]

livingtm:

hehe

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Zider:

Dagmar: I'm not cheap! ;P

[16:45:58]

livingtm:

That brings up a question... is added DVD's to your myth video library as legal as adding music to your MP3 library?

[16:46:06]

livingtm:

in the US anyhow

[16:46:37]

livingtm:

whats the term, fair use?

[16:46:40]

Dagmar:

If you own it, you're allowed space-shifting rights by fair use.

[16:46:51]

Dagmar:

The problem is that fair use has more or less been hijacked by the DMCA

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livingtm:

but you have to decrypt it which isnt legal on linux yet right?

[16:47:15]

** Dr_willis hands Dagmar a soapbox **

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Dr_willis:

Preach on!

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Dagmar:

heh

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livingtm:

i just want to know if i can do it legally

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Zider:

livingtm: it's as legal or illegal in linux as any other OS :P

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Dagmar:

It's not legal to decrypt because you don't have a licenced decryption algorithm, yet

[16:47:50]

livingtm:

isnt the decryption library not legal? libdvdcss or something?

[16:47:50]

Dagmar:

Novell/SuSE are supposed to be taking care of that presently.

[16:47:54]

livingtm:

right

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livingtm:

okay so its not legal yet, but it can be soon

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Dagmar:

Basically, yes.

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livingtm:

ok.

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livingtm:

:-) thats all i wanted to know.

[16:48:20]

GreyFoxx:

OR move to another country :)

[16:48:32]

Dagmar:

Technically, you're breaking the law just watching a DVD under Linux.

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livingtm:

GreyFoxx, hehe

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Dr_willis:

of course with every DVD player you buy.. part of the $$ goes to the DVD concertium or whoever it is.. to pay for your lack of being able to read the disks legally. :)

[16:48:42]

livingtm:

Dagmar, right i get that...

[16:48:47]

Dagmar:

In practice, no one in their right mind is going to bother suing someone for watching something they bought.

[16:49:04]

Dagmar:

A judge would have to be given a pretty severe argument as to why the case even needs to be tried before he'd let it go.

[16:49:10]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, cause if they loose a single case then they loose control over it all

[16:49:11]

livingtm:

Well, its different if your the guys over at tvease and your selling a system that can do it

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livingtm:

can they sell a system thats cabable of it?

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Dagmar:

Zider: Ah you're in Canada

[16:50:02]

Zider:

Dagmar: sweden

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Dagmar:

I didn't know you guys had a media tax as well

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Dr_willis:

Blank Audio Cd :)

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livingtm:

okay, so what can i do to get this .vob that i own and is no longer encrypted to play on mythfrontend? :-)

[16:50:35]

Dr_willis:

'made for audio" – yea.. right! heh heh

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Dagmar:

That probably hasn't flown in the US yet because there's plenty of greedy-ass lawyers who would jump at the chance to launch a class action case

[16:50:56]

livingtm:

it starts throwing the audio buffer errors at about 3 minutes in and is totally unwatchable

[16:50:59]

Zider:

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Dagmar:

Zider: None of which I'm sure actually makes it's way into artist's hands

[16:51:41]

Zider:

about $32M

[16:51:59]

** stuarta does the eit fixup dance **

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livingtm:

is this a setting? a bad rip?

[16:52:29]

Zider:

Dagmar: probably not, but it's enough for me not to bother my consciousness when, err, you know, feeding my movie needs.. ;)

[16:52:47]

livingtm:

its a dual core athlon, about 15% cpu in use while playing

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Zider:

Dagmar: besides, I often end up buying the original dvd anyhow

[16:53:13]

livingtm:

doesnt appear to be waitingon IO

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Dagmar:

I'm too lazy to pirate

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Zider:

hehe

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Zider:

I'm too poor not to

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Dr_willis:

seeing a lot of moveis now in the $5 range

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livingtm:

"NVP: AddAudioData():pl: Audio Buffer overflow, audio data lost!

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Dr_willis:

at that price.. its not worth pi-rating

[16:53:50]

Dagmar:

I'll bounce through blockbuster and grab stuff to watch and then stick it in the bucket the next day

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Dr_willis:

True they are old movies.. but they keep the wife happy

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livingtm:

I want to add the kids DVDs to the library so they dont scratch the DVD's

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Zider:

Dr_willis: I'm unemployed and some months I can barely afford food and stuff.. :P

[16:54:36]

Dr_willis:

Zider, instant noodles!

[16:54:46]

Zider:

Dr_willis: I hate noodles.. and pasta is cheaper.. :P

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livingtm:

The wierd thing is, once this happend, i have to reboot the machine to get even livetv to play without the same problem

[16:54:49]

Dr_willis:

boil the water on your cpu!

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Zider:

Dr_willis: I have a core2duo, it doesn't get hot :P

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livingtm:

Zider, take the house sized heat sink off of it , and it might :-)

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Zider:

livingtm: it's not very large

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livingtm:

hehe

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Zider:

actually pretty tiny

[16:56:18]

livingtm:

I wonder if this was a bad rip... except that mplayer does it..

[16:56:45]

Zider:

livingtm: is mythtv using alsa or oss?

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livingtm:

Zider, i dont see that setting anywhere

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Zider:

oss then

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livingtm:

mixer /dev/mixer

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livingtm:

is that bad?

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Zider:

what's mplayer using?

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livingtm:

Agressive sound card buffering = true

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livingtm:

mplayer uses alsa

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livingtm:

how can i change that in mythtv

[17:00:10]

livingtm:

leave mixer where it is?

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Zider:

yeah

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livingtm:

okay here goes nothin

[17:01:58]

Zider:

I'm off to the store, cya

[17:02:16]

livingtm:

thanks Zider

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Dagmar:

Would any of you happen to know if the NTSC / SMTPE color spec still holds true for HD?

[17:06:52]

livingtm:

nope using alsa i get a similar error :"dropping back audio buffer unused"

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livingtm:

ans WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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drnoone:

hi! I'm trying to get a way from an user to cancel mythtv shutdown (my mythtv machine in my only machine). I've made a bash script using dcop for pop up a kdialog but it doesn't seems to work. Any other ideas?

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Dr_willis:

Hmm..

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Dr_willis:

so a user is logged into X.. logs out/shuts down.. and you watn a warning on the mythtv front end?

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Dr_willis:

or am i backwareds

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juski:

he didn't get an answer in 2 seconds so he skoot

[17:21:30]

Dr_willis:

well *$&*@&@ him then!

[17:21:31]

Dr_willis:

:)

[17:21:36]

Dagmar:

Definitely

[17:21:39]

Dr_willis:

someone proberly shut him down

[17:22:13]

Dr_willis:

I was wonderng the other day how to get Mythtv front end running in its own X session just on the TV out.. while keeping a normal X session on the LCD monitor since my tv is right next to me.

[17:22:47]

Dr_willis:

Im sure ya could do it.. but if i grabbed the remote and started changing channels.. not sure how to direct the remote to that first screen.. osent the remote sort of seen like a keyboard?

[17:23:10]

Dagmar:

For NTSC users to calibrate with: http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/SMPTE_Color_Bars.png

[17:23:22]

Dagmar:

I'm going to have a lot of fun calibrating my @#$@! display when I get home

[17:23:48]

Dagmar:

Note: It's not worth bothering for a digital display like a monitor and probably a TFT/LCD display

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Dr_willis:

my LCD's colors are so screwy it wont help much anyway :)

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Dagmar:

I'm tired of seeing the whites I was using bleed

[17:28:41]

Dagmar:

*Clearly* the S-video output on my nvidia isn't exactly "tuned" for a television-type output

[17:29:49]

Dagmar:

The moral is: DON'T use 0xFFFFFF white in your themes.

[17:30:19]

Dagmar:

Use whatever the heck (235,235,235) works out to be... the problem goes right away

[17:30:42]

Dagmar:

When I took out the (0,0,0) black and the (255,255,255) whites, the weird linearity issues went away

[17:33:36]

Dr_willis:

I hate when my whites are all bleedy. :)

[17:34:00]

Dagmar:

Okay, here's an example of why I like Craigslist

[17:34:01]

Dagmar:

JVC i'ART

[17:34:11]

Dagmar:

er 32" widescreen display, $80.

[17:34:19]

Dagmar:

Two years old.

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Dr_willis:

'sort of works'

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Dr_willis:

:)

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erazor:

Dagmar: do you ever sleep?

[17:34:41]

Dagmar:

Sliiightly too large to put in my car or I'd go nab it when I got off work today

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Dagmar:

erazor: Yes, I just have a cracked out work schedule

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erazor:

Dagmar: heh. alright. just checking.

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Dagmar:

Dr_willis: This may seem really out there, but from what I can tell, if you take a digital video signal which has 0xFFFFFF or 0x000000 in it, and run it through an RF modulator, it's actually liable to pick up slight hum because the color information will run into the audio information

[17:39:51]

Dr_willis:

sort of like how vanilla icecream picks up the flavor of the trout in the freezer. :)

[17:39:54]

Dr_willis:

makes sence to me.

[17:40:05]

Dagmar:

heh

[17:40:36]

Dr_willis:

I got some RF itnerferance on my Svideo cable/tv out card.. causes some slightly wavy lines..

[17:40:52]

Dagmar:

Well, it's been annoying the hell out of me lately because my TV has a very aggressive approach towards overscan from the s-video port (i.e., I can see all 100% of the image) and when I've got video going past the limits like that, it actually distorts the frame

[17:41:14]

Dagmar:

Like, the white area will be *wider* than the black area if I split a screen down the middle with white on top and black on the bottom

[17:42:15]

Dagmar:

I was also making this weird color bruise appear in the middle of the elbo on the LCARS theme I was doing, because the elbo was over the limits for color

[17:42:51]

Dagmar:

So now that I've figured that out and recooked the images, I get to recalibrate my TV from where I was dorking with it to figure out what was wrong.

[17:46:08]

Zider:

is anyone here currently running mythtv in gentoo?

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Dagmar:

They're probably too busy omgoptimizing to respond

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Dagmar:

Heavily loaded CPU lag and all that

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Zider:

:P

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psofa_lappy:

are we talking about gentoo users?

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psofa_lappy:

xP

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Zider:

psofa_lappy: I was looking for someone that ran mythtv in gentoo

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Zider:

runs even

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erazor:

Pioneer 25 disc cd changer. Barely used, works excellent, $50

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psofa_lappy:

i run it on 3 gentoo boxes :)

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erazor:

weren't you talking about those last night, Dagmar

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Dagmar:

I was talking about units that hold um, six times that for 3x the price

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Zider:

psofa_lappy: I have an ebuild for mythstream, if you'd like to try it

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Dagmar:

...which even when you fill them with DVDs, don't seem to be price competitive with a 500~700Gb drive, unfortunately.

[17:50:47]

psofa_lappy:

give me a link and im gonna try it when im in the mood :)

[17:51:10]

Zider:

psofa_lappy: http://www.zider.se/mythstream-0.17-r2.ebuild

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Dagmar:

I gotta find what magic thing makes that sucker work with last.fm

[17:51:37]

Zider:

psofa_lappy: I suppose you know how to handle overlays for separate ebuilds?

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psofa_lappy:

Zider, yeah im fine

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Zider:

psofa_lappy: great.. tell me how it works, I only have my one myth box to try on :P

[17:52:22]

psofa_lappy:

Zider, in fact im running on some svn fetching ebuilds

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Zider:

psofa_lappy: ach so

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psofa_lappy:

god knows how i wrote them

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Zider:

hehe

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Zider:

this is my first ebuild.. ;)

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psofa_lappy:

i was doing ls all the time in the ebuild to see which dir i was in :P

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Zider:

psofa_lappy: ls? not pwd?

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Dagmar:

Some people just can't read the street signs.

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** psofa_lappy runs ashamed **

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Dagmar:

They have to lick the buildings.

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psofa_lappy:

lol

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Zider:

Dagmar: huh?

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Dagmar:

It really thrills law officers when I do that, too.

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Dagmar:

Well, if someone's using ls to see what directory they're in instead of pwd, they obviously want to know something very fundamental about the directory

[17:56:17]

Dagmar:

Kind of analogous to licking buildings instead of just reading street signs.

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Zider:

ah

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Zider:

hm, dunno what licking buildings has to do with any of it tho.. :P

[17:56:43]

Zider:

maybe I'm just thick ;)

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Dagmar:

Hint: if you attempt the licking of buildings as a prank, keep a sanitary wipe hidden in your coat pocket where you can sneakily get at it and wipe the bloody surface down first

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Dagmar:

Zider: Go lick some buildings. They all taste different.

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Dagmar:

:)

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Zider:

I'd rather not, really. :P

[17:57:46]

Dagmar:

...and I guarantee you'll remember how they taste. :)

[17:57:49]

Zider:

eww

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Dagmar:

You've never seen animals sniff and nibble at structures?

[17:58:28]

Zider:

sniff yes

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Dagmar:

THAT is where the licking concept came from in this particular trip to the planet of green cheese

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Zider:

but they sniff at everything

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Dagmar:

Ah but they'll nip at things with their tongues as well if you watch close

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Zider:

I don't usually observe what animals do around here :)

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psofa_lappy:

lol

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Dagmar:

Try walking ferrets sometime

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Zider:

ferrets?

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Dagmar:

Yes, ferrets.

[18:01:58]

Dagmar:

Also known as pine weasels.

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Dagmar:

Organic door cozies.

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Dagmar:

Cats might be too curious by half, but ferrets life for mischief.

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Zider:

oh weasels

[18:03:25]

Dagmar:

No, weasels are actually a different animal.

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robbins876:

nothing quite says "geek" like logging into #mythtv-users on a saturday morning

[18:03:45]

robbins876:

first thing, no less

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Dagmar:

One of these is a ferret: http://mfrost.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/1_13.jpg

[18:04:54]

Dagmar:

People buy them in pairs because in pairs they tend to meddle with each other, rather than play everyone's favorite game... "What's up this pant leg?"

[18:05:31]

Dagmar:

...or "Where can I stash everything?" as well as "I bet I can squeeze into that."

[18:05:34]

robbins876:

if one of them dies, the other one gets really depressed

[18:05:49]

robbins876:

it's also smart to have them "de-skunked" because they are very musky smelling

[18:06:22]

robbins876:

they are definatley cool pets, except for when they get mad and do that hunch-back thing

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Dagmar:

I don't know of anywhere in the US that sells them not already deglanded

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Dagmar:

for clarification, by 'mad' you mean 'insane', right?

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robbins876:

no, i mean angry

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robbins876:

symantics, symantics...

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Dagmar:

Hmm... I've never had one actually get that upset at me. Heck, it's hard to get them to bark.

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robbins876:

my dad's buddy has 3

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robbins876:

and they run free in his house, it's kind of disgusting, actually

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Dagmar:

So I guess you know not to leave anything edible out on a surface below waist level

[18:08:35]

Dagmar:

One night my housemates ferret's cage sprung a leak.

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robbins876:

he has a drawer that they crawl into to sleep

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Dagmar:

When we got up, my first thought was that hippie midgets had broken in and tossed the place.

[18:09:32]

Dagmar:

*everything* below about 3 feet was knocked over, scattered around, flipped over, etc.

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robbins876:

nice, they're smart little things

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Dagmar:

Cookies freaking *everywhere*

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robbins876:

mischievious, anyway

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Dagmar:

They were both passed out in their cage from exhaustion

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psofa_lappy:

they sound like a blessing

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psofa_lappy:

:P

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robbins876:

i think i'm going to buy one, just from this conversation

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robbins876:

they're so awesome

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Dagmar:

You can soooo fish for chicks with 'em. 8D

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robbins876:

i live in south dakota, maybe i'll just run out to the prairie and pick up a black footed ferret

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Dagmar:

Probably less trouble to buy some from the pet-store, already de-glanded

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robbins876:

and also illegal. I think the black footed ferret is protected or endangered, one of the two

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erazor:

i live in maine :/

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Zider:

maine circuit

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storkme:

can i use mythtv to play .avi files?

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Dagmar:

storkme: Sure

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robbins876:

the black footed one is endangered, and apparently it's carniviorous... i wnat one

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robbins876:

they eat prarie dogs

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Dagmar:

They're all meat-eaters.

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storkme:

Dagmar, how?

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Dagmar:

storkme: MythVideo

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** gardengnome stops reading the backlog because of too much weird stuff being in there **

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Dagmar:

heheh

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robbins876:

storkme: you have to put the videos in the videos directory as determined in mythtv's frontend setup

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Zider:

gardengnome: ;D

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robbins876:

there are only an estimated 400 black footed ferrets left in the wild

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robbins876:

maybe i'll just let them be

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jams:

gardengnome- you around?

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gardengnome:

jams: yes.

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robbins876:

it's nice to hear birds outside, i'm ready for winter to end

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jams:

gardengnome- Know of a simple iegd howto?

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gardengnome:

jams: nope, not in english at least. what do you need to know?

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storkme:

help, mythtv-backend can't connect to the database! it's using a password, and i don't want it to, how do i fix this??

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jams:

gardengnome- just getting started, so nothing specfic yet

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gardengnome:

jams: there used to be a .pdf user manual in older IEGD releases. looks like it's not there anymore in the latest.

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jams:

these intel docs are just not cutting it

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storkme:

nevermind got it

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Dagmar:

storkme: You follow the installation instructions and it will cease to be a problem, usually. :;

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jams:

ok, maybe I will grab version 5.1 and see if those docs are any better

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storkme:

so how can i access MythVideo?

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gardengnome:

jams: did you read the release notes?

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gardengnome:

jams: i'm in windows at the moment, fighting with my DVB card. i can't access my IEGD stuff right now :/

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gardengnome:

gah, stupid fingers.

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gardengnome:

jams: why are you adding IEGD support? for the s100?

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jams:

gardengnome- Just having a bad start thats all. The fact that they decided to package the linux drivers with the windows drivers in .exe format didn't help any

[18:26:13]

jams:

gardengnome- it should work with the s100, but i'm testing with my mac mini

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gardengnome:

jams: there's a tarball floating around on the intel site AFAIR

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jams:

the tarball is for version 5

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jams:

i'm attempting to use version 6

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gardengnome:

jams: the OSS drivers should be good enough for the mac mini. the problem with the s100 is just the tv-out encoder.

[18:27:18]

jams:

right, thats what i'm after the tv-out encoder bit

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jams:

the oss drivers do work well

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gardengnome:

jams: try using the .exe with wine.

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gardengnome:

jams: no, there has to be a .tar.gz file somewhere. minimyth is using it.

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jams:

gardengnome- the tar file is contained in the .exe file.

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gardengnome:

jams: oh, ok.

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gardengnome:

silly intel.

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Zider:

urp.. 600g cheesecake later and ZIder is a happy (and fat) camper :D

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gardengnome:

i hope you can make it work :)

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sebrock:

does anyone know how I turn off gnome multimedia keys?

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brandon:

when using lirc and myth, is it better to just setup lirc to send each press as a keyboard press event so menu sends an 'm' key which is useful for both mythtv, xine, and so on or do mappings specific to myth?

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drnoone:

hi! I'm trying to get a way from an user to cancel mythtv shutdown (my mythtv machine is my only machine). I've made a bash script using dcop for pop up a kdialog but it doesn't seems to work when called from mythbackend (http://pastebin.ca/360735). Any ideas?

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drnoone:

brandon: IMHO is better to have a per-application config

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brandon:

drnoone: what happens when you open an app that isn't configured, by accident (say xchat) and you wanted to close the program and send a ctrl+w, can this be setup in general or specific to an app?

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erazor:

anyone use mythphone?

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drnoone:

brandon: no, this type of thing has to be configured in general, and I think that you can override this mapping on the app-specific setup. I mean, you config a remote key for send ctrl+w for default but in amaroK the same key send another type of command

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sexyabelincoln:

hi all

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Zider:

umm

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Zider:

oookay

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jhendrixfan:

hi everyone

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Zider:

hi there abe lincoln, you sexy thing you ;D

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jhendrixfan:

ahoy hoy

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jhendrixfan:

wait am i showing up as abe lincoln or jhendrixfan?

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gardengnome:

"jhendrixfan"

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jhendrixfan:

cause i was having difficulty as the last sn

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jhendrixfan:

o gotcha

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jhendrixfan:

how are yea guys

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Zider:

fine fine

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jhendrixfan:

ive got a really quick easy question for ya. i installed ubuntu, "apt-got" mythtv, and when the config came up for the mythtvdatabase, i put in a password instead of leaving it blank. it never forgave me, even after i tried uninstalling several times.

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jhendrixfan:

i ended up formatting, no big deal, but is there a way around it for future reference/

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S2:

jhendrixfan, cat /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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S2:

the pass is there

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jhendrixfan:

oh... so just vi that?

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Zider:

or nano

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Zider:

or any text editor

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Zider:

:)

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jhendrixfan:

ok thanks a bunch, that was easy :D

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jhendrixfan:

funny how they call it a txt instead of a .conf or something?

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S2:

jhendrixfan, yes, funny :)

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Zider:

just be glad it's not .ini

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jhendrixfan:

haha or autoexec.bat

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Zider:

eeewww

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Zider:

:D

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jhendrixfan:

heheeh yep

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jhendrixfan:

or win.ini

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jhendrixfan:

i remember that

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Zider:

mythtv.ini

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Zider:

:D

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jhendrixfan:

back when i was mentally feeble and unable to ue anything but win3.1

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jhendrixfan:

ok thanks a bunch guys, it's nice enough to go out for a drive!

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Zider:

GO for a DRIVE?

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Zider:

can you do both?

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jhendrixfan:

hehe i guess

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jhendrixfan:

like taking a walk

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jhendrixfan:

you dont take anything

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jhendrixfan:

ok thanks guys! lata

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jd86:

Has anyone ever considered trying to setup a google video or youtube video type plugin for myth? where you can browse/search for video and play back?

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Zider:

I'm sure someone has considered it.. ;)

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jd86:

enough to know how big a project it would be?

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Zider:

jd86: dunno.. but there's a web browser plugin already, isn't there?

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jd86:

yep, but I was thinking of something more 'integrated' into mythtv, but really don't know what I'm thinking and probably what I am thinking is way too much work

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Dagmar:

Well, I think perhaps YouTube might want to preserve the possibility of the Google Ads being seen

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Dagmar:

...and frankly I'd like to respect that of them.

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Dagmar:

Google is the first company to really be able to make ads that don't piss me off actually work.

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Dagmar:

What, um, might work is if someone happens to know someone at Google.

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Dagmar:

Although I think right now if we just give them a little time, they'll drop a bomb on us in the fall

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Zider:

oh?

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Dagmar:

Dig up the news releases about what they've been doing the last three months as a result of the YouTube copyright stuff.

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Dagmar:

Specifically, who they've been talking to

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Dagmar:

We will likely see a *lot* more IPTV stuff start busting out in the fall

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Zider:

news on google or on mythtv site?

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Dagmar:

News on Google.

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Dagmar:

...are kinda low.

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jd86:

Dagmar, I actually have only been on youtube once or twice (and that was direct links from friend), I was thinking more about google videos (and would love if you could buy the episodes like CSI) but this thought of mine will last for a few minute :)

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Dagmar:

Because it looks like they're quietly looking into contracting with some of the broadcast outlets to just distribute their content

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Dagmar:

jd86: Google Videos is YouTube and vice-versa now

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jd86:

ah, I did not know

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Dagmar:

This is why I find it kind of significant that some companies started talking about lawsuits against YouTube/Google, and suddenly everything gets real quiet from those quarters

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Dagmar:

Like, NBC has been looking real hot and heavy into how to just stream their shows

[19:54:19]

Dagmar:

They may well be having trouble figuring how to match cpm dollars on it just yet, but *somehow* Google seems to make money with their ads where no one else does

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jd86:

heh

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Dagmar:

They would be good people to solve that particular problem with

[19:55:07]

Dagmar:

I mean, we're talking *thousands* of companies now that have failed to see anything approaching solid income with banner ads

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Dagmar:

...while Google is knocking that particular ball out of the park.

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Dagmar:

That and they have more certified geniuses than NASA working for them.

[19:56:18]

Dagmar:

They hired a lot of NASA's people, in fact.

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Dagmar:

Heh

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Dagmar:

Most of the coders I have known that were in the 180+ range wound up working for Google

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Dagmar:

So basically, if anyone's going to make an http-transport based streaming video archive API, Google will likely be in the thick of it.

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jd86:

Yeah.

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doc|work:

pffft, NASA had hundreds of smart people, nasa's still something of a mess right now

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gardengnome:

same for microsoft

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Zider:

who is doing the coding for the internal player?

[20:02:48]

kormoc:

the mythtv devs?

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Zider:

all of them?

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Dagmar:

And some squirrels possibly, but that's only a rumor

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kormoc:

a good chunk, yes

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Zider:

ah

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kormoc:

but they're using libavcodec, so if you want codec support, it's their playground

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** Dagmar cues the dramatic horror music **

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Zider:

kormoc: well, it's matroska subtitle support and stuff I'm curious about :)

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kormoc:

that's libavcodec :P

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Dagmar:

*foreboding thunderclap*

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kormoc:

Scooby dooby doo, where are you?

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Zider:

from what I've heard, the internal player uses ffmpeg libs, and ffmpeg supports matroska.. but in the internal player, there's no way to select subtitles, nor different audio tracks..

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xris:

kormoc: you're awake. :)

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kormoc:

xris, heh, aye

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kormoc:

xris, you wouldn't be up for pho or something would you?

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xris:

not going out, no. too much to do before heading out to dinner tonight.

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kormoc:

heh, kk

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kormoc:

I need to scavenge up some food

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xris:

ahh

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Zider:

kormoc: so, no futher intel on that then? :)

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kormoc:

Zider, well, you could submit patches

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chairman:

how do people deal with many tv channels?

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xris:

blech. dealing with ffmpegs devs is a PITA

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chairman:

on a dvb system

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Zider:

kormoc: I don't know anything about coding I'm afraid..

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xris:

chairman: I tend to just ignore them

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Zider:

kormoc: or file formats..

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kormoc:

chairman, or watch them

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Zider:

kormoc: I was just curious if anyone knew about the issue and/or was looking into it

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chairman:

it's annoying when one channel you want to watch is 1501 and the next one is 1605

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chairman:

and if you press UP you have flip over alot of black channels and stuff

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Reiver:

when trying to compile mythplugins I am getting this error:

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Reiver:

./usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXvMCNVIDIA

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Reiver:

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

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Reiver:

make[2]: *** [mythbrowser] Error 1

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Reiver:

make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/mythtv.cvs/mythplugins.12809/mythbrowser/mythbrowser'

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Reiver:

make[1]: *** [sub-mythbrowser] Error 2

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Reiver:

make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/mythtv.cvs/mythplugins.12809/mythbrowser'

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Reiver:

make: *** [sub-mythbrowser] Error 2

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erazor:

you should really use pastebin next time

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kormoc:

Reiver, please don't flood the channel, please use a pastebin

[20:15:29]

Reiver:

ok

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Reiver:

can anyone point me in the right direction?

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erazor:

what distro of linux?

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Reiver:

debian sid

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erazor:

there *might* be a missing symbolic link

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clever_:

2007-02–17 14:17:13.476 NVP::AddAudioData():p3: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!

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Reiver:

any ideas on where I should look?

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gardengnome:

Reiver: did you install the nvidia drivers?

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Reiver:

yes

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Reiver:

I reinstalled them and still got the errors

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gardengnome:

did you install it using a debian package?

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Reiver:

as in like apt-get?

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gardengnome:

yep.

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Reiver:

no

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gardengnome:

dunno then, maybe it's using the wrong include path or a symlink is missing, like erazor said

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mchou:

Reiver: you need to check for the existence /etc/X11/XvMCConfig, and make sure it points correctly to your xvmc libs

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doc__:

hi

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lotia:

folks has the channel icons method changed compared to the wiki

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lotia:

when i checked stuff out of there, there was no lyngsat_stations.txt

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** toad_ is not able to rip a DVD... i go to Import DVD, it shows me some info on the DVD, i check the box labelled "select", and it says press 0 to process this title **

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toad_:

i press 0 and it says it has no jobs to do and press 0 to rip a dvd

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toad_:

which then takes me back to the first screen

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toad_:

what am i doing wrong?

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toad_:

hmmm me should check the rip settings maybe there's a permissions issue

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erazor:

i was thinking of buying this case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811117064 but taking out the stock LCD and a place for a new one.

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Zider:

does anyone know of a good guide for remapping mplayers keys?

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flindet_:

GreyFoxx: Hi, can I get your niveus pc remote code again?

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imperfectus:

HOwdy, anyone know where I can find instructions on building the frontend for OSX from svn?

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storkme:

friggin' ati tv-out on linux is horrific

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imperfectus:

storkme : You can get a DVI->Component thing for ATI cards.

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storkme:

i have s-video out on my laptop

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storkme:

doesn't work

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storkme:

this is sick

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storkme:

bloody tv output doesn't work.. IT DID EARLIER!!

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Zider:

did I see you mention ati?

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r3z`:

who?

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gardengnome:

r3z`: you mighr be looking for "tuner 0" and "tuner 1".

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Zider:

storkme

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Zider:

:)

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** gardengnome afk **

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r3z`:

I dont see tuner0 though

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storkme:

this is totally messed up

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r3z`:

bleh

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storkme:

it worked earlier, now it blooody doesn't

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storkme:

i'm tempted to just punch the hell out of it

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Zider:

storkme: you're lucky you got it working at all at some point.. I still haven't gotten one glimpse out of my ati tv-out

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Zider:

not that it matters much, it's a laptop'

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Zider:

but still

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storkme:

so is mine

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storkme:

it could be an HTPC

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storkme:

i got the bloody thing working, took it downstairs, and now it refuses to work

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Zider:

:P

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Zider:

old chip?

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storkme:

yeah

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storkme:

mobility 7500 in an old-ass laptop

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storkme:

it wouldn't bother me so much except that it was working earlier

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teknopagan:

Afternoon, folks

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storkme:

annoys me so much

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Zider:

storkme: I have an ATI Radeon IGP330 in mine

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juski:

evenang

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storkme:

the picture sort of works.. but it's crazy blurry

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storkme:

like.. all messed up, and in horizontal lines

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storkme:

hard to explain

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rosslin:

storkme> http://uuoc.com/1704 ... any idea why my v4l compilation would produce this error?

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RandomDude16:

is this a good buy?

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RandomDude16:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16889205002

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teknopagan:

What are you using it for?

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RandomDude16:

myth

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juski:

see folks this is why you should all leave building myth boxes to professionals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHb5KtVT9Fo

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teknopagan:

I mean, as a TV or as a monitor?

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RandomDude16:

tv

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RandomDude16:

but have myth running on it

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RandomDude16:

all the time

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teknopagan:

So it'll be hooked up to a PC?

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RandomDude16:

yeah

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teknopagan:

Save yourself some cash and go with something like this:

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teknopagan:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824001088

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teknopagan:

An 8ms response time will give you some funky visual effects if you're watching something with fast action

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rosslin:

http://uuoc.com/1705

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juski:

8ms? too slow?! get real!

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** teknopagan has high standards **

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teknopagan:

juski – have you ever watched a DLP set?

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juski:

do sets come much faster than 8mS?

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juski:

ms even?

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teknopagan:

Monitors do

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teknopagan:

The one I suggested to him was 4ms

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juski:

for TV? seriously over-egging it

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teknopagan:

There's a 20" Samsung on Newegg that's about $300 that's 2ms

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teknopagan:

the 4ms one was also $100 cheaper than the one he was looking at

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teknopagan:

Anyway, about the DLP thing – when I'm at my folks house watching their DLP, whenever I look away from the screen, I see this irritating rainbow effect

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juski:

that's DLP for ya

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teknopagan:

I have very fast eyes – I'll see those funky things on any slow response time screen

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juski:

plasmas get burnin & have relatively short lives, lcds can't do real black..

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juski:

everything has drawbacks :)

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** teknopagan can't wait for SED to hit the market **

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teknopagan:

SED is nearly perfect, except for the fact that you can't buy it yet

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juski:

lol

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juski:

OLED might be a good bet too

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teknopagan:

OLED looks like it may have the same problems as LCD

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juski:

apart from one thing – power consumption

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juski:

aye it's very hard to get LEDs into a linear region

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juski:

I'm surprised you find 8ms is too slow though.. eeks

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teknopagan:

Sucks for me, except it gives me a perfect excuse to buy better monitors

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nuonguy:

is there a way to peek at the lirc messages being sent around?

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nuonguy:

I can press a couple of buttons and watch the FE respond

[23:21:20]

nuonguy:

then the FE stops responding to the key presses on the remote

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storkme:

RGG

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nuonguy:

options streamzap_lirc debug=1 isn't very helpful

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J-e-f-f-A:

juski, teknopagan: One thing to note is that the LCD response time isn't measured black-to-white — it's measured 'grey-to-grey' – so they can 'fudge' the numbers a bit.

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doc___:

hi there

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J-e-f-f-A:

What's up, doc___?? ;-) (I always wanted to say that!)

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psofa:

anyone whats to give an advice on this? using my soundcards output to either my tv or my hifi produces crappy sound,like its both not loud enough and when there are loud voices it gets pretty loud,like its unlinear.I suppose i need an amp?

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