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Saturday, February 3rd, 2007, 00:05 UTC

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opello:

what's the recommended cpu for playing hd?

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jduggan:

6ghz

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jduggan:

quad core

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jduggan:

with 6gb ram

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jduggan:

life sucks for us mere sd dweebs

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jduggan:

:(

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jduggan:

did i say 6gb? i meant 8gb

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Mazus:

thats minimum to

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Mazus:

recommended is 12

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j2^:

Hmmm, i had to remove/re-add my PVR-cvards, but now the "secondary" backend has the lovest encoder number. I want encoder 4&5 to beused before 3, can i change this?

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_mike3_:

Anyone know how to save their config generated by nvtv? I have the daemon running but I have to load nvtv then turn the tv out on and select the settings. How can I store these settings somewhere so they are automatically loaded?

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Mazus:

:(

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Mazus:

anyone use mythstreamtv?

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williammanda:

anyone one comcast in tn?

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cesman:

Mazus: I've incorp'd and tested it on KnoppMyth, but I don't use it frequently

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Ravi1974:

is there a mythtv for dummies? like an autoinstall or something?

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cesman:

Ravi1974: there are plenty of howtos on the net

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cesman:

there are also distros dedicated to building a myth box

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cesman:

what _exactly_ are you looking for?

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Bogus8:

anyone use a FTA (free to air) system in here?

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shodan:

why am I getting messages like that -> 2007-02–02 20:04:41.459 RingBuf(/mythtv/1354_20070202200240.mpg): Taking too long to be allowed to read..

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shodan:

and sometime it just gives up !

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shodan:

my /mythtv is on a cifs share, and I'm using dvb cards (they take a while to tune)

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riversma:

yup

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kormoc:

shodan, you are getting messages like that cause it's taking too long to be allowed to read.

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riversma:

i use coolsat reciever

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Bogus8:

riversma: how do you load it? is there a linux solution?

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Bogus8:

riversma: I have a Viewsat plat.

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riversma:

use composite

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Bogus8:

hmm, I'll have to look into that

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shodan:

kormoc, yeah, but what is the cause then ? cifs or because the dvb cards take too long to tune ? and why does it give up instead of switching to way video is streamed when /mythtv isn't accessible ?

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riversma:

i use a sling box to change channels if i see something i want to record

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kermitthefrog918:

Is there a way to configure my machine so that it starts with two X sessions? I want MythTv to be assigned to the session at Ctrl Alt F8 and my normal session to Ctrl Alt F7

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kormoc:

shodan, try unmounting it and seeing if it works?

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kormoc:

shodan, likely the issue isn't related to that, as it can't access it, it's just long card tunings

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Bogus8:

riversma: I meant upload keys and such

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riversma:

o

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kormoc:

kermitthefrog918, yes, there is, and there's plenty of google help

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kermitthefrog918:

ok

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kermitthefrog918:

sorry, should have googled first...

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riversma:

you can setup tight vnc

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kormoc:

Bogus8, a irblaster will emulate a remote if it can take that input

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riversma:

leave your computer hooked into your recever box and tightvnc the keys

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riversma:

in

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Bogus8:

riversma: ? is there a "loader2.exe" for linux or does WINE emulate it well (accessing com port)

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shodan:

hmm it works as it did before .. strange , I thought a cifs share would work better nvm

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Bogus8:

kormoc: I'm talking about programming the firmware

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kormoc:

ooh

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

could use vmware server

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riversma:

use a windows box and leave it up and tightvnc into your viewsat leaving always connected if something goes down

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kormoc:

that gives direct hardware serial io

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Bogus8:

riversma: so you keep a windows box rolling

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Bogus8:

riversma: yeah, I might toss in a small HD w/ a windows part for when it goes down

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Bogus8:

or part. my system drive since I don't need much room on it... granted it's only 10gig but I could spare 3gig for windows ;)

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riversma:

thats the only alterntive i see for what you want to do

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Mazus:

cesman?

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Mazus:

any idea about this error?

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Mazus:

http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3888/plain/

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Mazus:

i cant seam to figure it out

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Bogus8:

riversma: yeah, I was thinking about trying WINE but figured accessing com ports wouldn't work well and don't really want to fuck shit up

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riversma:

it does run the loader but it doesnt do well with identifying ports

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Bogus8:

riversma: yeah, that is what I was afraid of

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Bogus8:

riversma: doesn't wine make some crazy virtual ports w/ high numbers?

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riversma:

not sure

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riversma:

you know you can use my theatre

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riversma:

on windows

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riversma:

does a real good job as a pvr

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Bogus8:

my theatre?

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Bogus8:

ah

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riversma:

yeah

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riversma:

dvb card

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Bogus8:

hell, i barely use myth :D

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riversma:

software

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Bogus8:

I just never got the kinks worked out and moved on to other projects

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Mazus:

can anyone help me with this vlc error?

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riversma:

my theatre does a real good job

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Bogus8:

need to get my ir blaster working and work out the "overscan" stuff

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Bogus8:

and the picture quality isn't that great either :(

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riversma:

like i said you can get a sling box and it does a real good job as a remote

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Bogus8:

riversma: I need something that feeds the FTA reciever

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riversma:

sling box will do it

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Bogus8:

my pvr150 remote works well

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Bogus8:

riversma: hmmm, might have to look into that

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riversma:

slingbox with mythtv

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riversma:

works well togehter

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Bogus8:

right

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Bogus8:

next time I get the urge to mess w/ myth I'll check it out

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Bogus8:

I just always set up myth then realize I don't really care that much about tv :D

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riversma:

why go through the headache of configruing ir blaster

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Bogus8:

because it's there :D

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riversma:

true but the sling box uses a jp1

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riversma:

and you easily get the codes of the forums

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Bogus8:

I have the codes just can't get the pvr150's blaster to talk

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riversma:

you can watch live tv anywhere

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riversma:

o

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Bogus8:

some guy has a page of all the codes for the 150

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Bogus8:

he had the viewsat in there

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riversma:

well i have the same setup

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riversma:

send me the page and ill work on it for you

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Bogus8:

riversma: hmm, I'll have to dig it up

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riversma:

ok

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Bogus8:

it was on my other laptop and the other hd that had windows on it

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Bogus8:

I pulled that drive and put in another and put linux on it

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riversma:

sounds groovy

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Bogus8:

and then dropped that laptop (for like the 19th time) and broke a hinge

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Bogus8:

been drissiling superglue on it for the past few days ;)

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riversma:

i have two pvr 150 cards running r5d1

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Bogus8:

it's coming along well haha

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Bogus8:

nice

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Bogus8:

I have knoppmyth R5E50? (is that right?

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riversma:

its awesome

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Bogus8:

riversma: picture is just as good as direct?

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riversma:

especially using the slingbox with it

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riversma:

good enough

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riversma:

its not as vivid

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riversma:

and bright

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riversma:

kinda dull

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Bogus8:

I'm running s-vid in and s-vid out and it looks worse than composite straight to tv

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riversma:

i dont think im using the latest ivtv drivers

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Bogus8:

hmm, let me see what I got

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riversma:

you have to adjust the contrast and colors

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Bogus8:

0.8.2

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riversma:

my close captioning is the only thing that does not work

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Bogus8:

yeah, that shit was flipping mine out

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Bogus8:

sync issues and shit

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riversma:

what version are you using

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Bogus8:

found an article or something talking about disabling that

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Bogus8:

^

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Bogus8:

0.8.2

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riversma:

ok

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riversma:

did you get the transcoding to work

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Bogus8:

transcoding?

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Bogus8:

with `transcode`

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riversma:

shrink the files

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Bogus8:

umm, I've used transcode before to turn shit into vcd when I ran myth on FC3 (yeah, that long ago)

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riversma:

ok

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cesman:

Mazus: no idea

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Bogus8:

riversma: I was just using a script that used transcode to turn a divx to vcd but it failed on tcmplex (apparently that's an old app)

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riversma:

would love getting it working

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Mazus:

hm

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Mazus:

thanks anyways

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Bogus8:

riversma: hmm... not sure why it wouldn't work

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Bogus8:

ah, I never used it from the frontend now

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Bogus8:

I always did it from ssh and commandline

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jesse:

can anyone take a look at the s-video like connector on this video card and tell me what it is? http://www.sharkyextreme.com/img/2005/01/valu . . . 00gt_agp.jpg

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GreyFoxx:

Looks like one of those ones that takes a breakout cable with both svideo anbd composite terminators

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jesse:

yeah i thought it was s-video, bought a cable to connect to me tv and now im lost!

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riversma:

you still remember the commands

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jesse:

any idea what it's called GreyFox?

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jesse:

GreFoxx*

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Bogus8:

riversma: hell no... that was FC3 man :)

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GreyFoxx:

Nope

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riversma:

aight

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Bogus8:

riversma: I just either found a website or looked at man files... might have had scripts to do different functions... I remember it wasn't hard

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riversma:

true

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CyberKnet:

hmm... anyone buy electrical components (connectors) online much?

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CyberKnet:

(looking to source a panel mount RCA phono triplet)

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CyberKnet:

seems like the kind of thing mauser would stock... but they only have a vertical PCB mount

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CyberKnet:

which I could make work if I had to, but I'd prefer not to.

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Milosch:

tried digikey?

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defaultro:

oh, I was just helping a kid at videolan regarding his question earlier. His nick is jesse :)

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Milosch:

or jameco?

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defaultro:

jesse is ok now

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CyberKnet:

I looked at digikey and didn't see what I was after... haven't looked at jameco

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CyberKnet:

not for this part, at least.

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Milosch:

so far i only see 6 in a panel mount

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Milosch:

or 4 ;)

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CyberKnet:

Yeah, I'd like to get 3 ... standard red, white and yellow.

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CyberKnet:

I must be searching the wrong terms, tons of manufacturers use this kind of thing... although I guess they are probably all using pcb mount these days.

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Milosch:

you can get a nice pc mount triple...

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CyberKnet:

got a part number for that?

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CyberKnet:

689881?

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Milosch:

yeah, that one

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CyberKnet:

I may end up going with that.

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CyberKnet:

cost is cheap enough

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CyberKnet:

though I'd have to find a sturdy way to mount it.

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Milosch:

perfboard and L brackets

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Milosch:

or just cut 3 holes yourself ;)

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CyberKnet:

heh

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CyberKnet:

now to find the perfect SPDT switch :)

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Milosch:

http://www.cablesandconnectors.com/PIX/phi57.jpg

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Milosch:

$2.29

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CyberKnet:

interesting

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Milosch:

http://www.cablesandconnectors.com/25000-25.HTM

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Mazus:

can anyone help me with mythstreamtv?

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CyberKnet:

thanks milosch :)

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Milosch:

np

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Mazus:

Milosch can you help me?

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cesman:

Mazus: I'd suggest "the Google"

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cesman:

I had issues and found solutions via google

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infestedc0re:

=) ahh Google

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Mazus:

been trying last few hours

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Mazus:

:(

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infestedc0re:

whats the problem?

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Mazus:

http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3888/plain/

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Mazus:

thats the error i get when trying to start a stream

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Mazus:

any ideas?

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infestedc0re:

hmm

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infestedc0re:

one sec

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Mazus:

sure

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infestedc0re:

whick account are u running under when you get the error?

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SlicerDicer-:

eh?

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Mazus:

who?

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infestedc0re:

sry... Maz

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Mazus:

which account am i using?

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infestedc0re:

root? mythtv?

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Mazus:

root i beleive

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Mazus:

thats the error in mythstreamtv for mythweb

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infestedc0re:

checkin somethin

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Mazus:

kk

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Milosch:

Mazus: did you compile videolan, etc?

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Mazus:

sudo apt-get install vlc

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Mazus:

yes

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Milosch:

"VideoLan-Client 'may' work without compiling."

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infestedc0re:

the error looks like your missing somthing on your box

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Mazus:

yeah i was thinking its not seeing ffmpeg corectly

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Mazus:

any ideas?

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media_:

Anyone know why when I go to rip a cd and then hit esc to go back it gives me a blank screen until the cd is ripped? I would like to go do other stuff while it's ripping and also if I decide to cancel a rip it won't let you since it gives you a blank screen (blue actually0 until it's done ripping or I manually eject the cd.

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infestedc0re:

keep in mind I only have about 2 months of linux under my belt Maz

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kormoc:

media_, myth isn't designed to allow you to do other things while it does a background task in a plugin

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SlicerDicer-:

hey kormoc

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kormoc:

mornin'

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media_:

kormoc: dvd rip does..

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: this is not the full error

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kormoc:

media_, dvdrip takes extra steps to get around it, cd ripping does not

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Mazus:

hmm

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kormoc:

media_, feel free to submit patches

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Mazus:

anyone else think they know what that error is?

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media_:

kormoc: but if you hit esc during music ripping shouldn't it at least cancel the cd rip?

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, yes, when someone has used the pic use flag

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SlicerDicer-:

?

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kormoc:

media_, sure, it should, but it doesn't and won't till someone codes it to :P

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: what is the ./configure --foobar to disable it?

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, you compiled some code with -fPIC (position independant code), and some without

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Goldfisch:

I seem to be hitting a wall. My mythconverg database has grown to .5 GB and is eating up my root partition. Is there some procedure for compressing or archiving some of its data?

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SlicerDicer-:

media_: mtd does neat stuff for mythdvd

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media_:

kormoc: understood, I was just trying to figure out of my box was the odd duck

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SlicerDicer-:

media_: no such thing for music cause nobody cares ;-)

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, you can compile whatever is throwing that error with -fPIC and see if it works

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kormoc:

Goldfisch, try turning off bin logging

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: no idea how...

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Mazus:

kormoc you have experiacne with mythstreamtv?

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Mazus:

*experiance

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Mazus:

or vlc

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media_:

is it normal to that when inserting a dvd it brings up the photo gallery and mounts the dvd?

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Goldfisch:

kormoc: Already done that. The raw /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg itself is pretty big.

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SlicerDicer-:

Goldfisch: you could try mythoptimizedb.pl in /contrib

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SlicerDicer-:

maybe there is a metric ton of overhead and shit

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kormoc:

Goldfisch, you can run the optimize script, which will free up some space

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kormoc:

Mazus, nope

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, add -fPIC to the c/cxx flags and recompile

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Mazus:

ok thanks anyways

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SlicerDicer-:

rgr kormoc

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/hardened/pic-guide.xml

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: I am not running gentoo but gentoo docs have bailed me out so many times :)

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: motored past :)

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SlicerDicer-:

vrrooom vrrroooom

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SlicerDicer-:

and died elswhere as fast as I said that

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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br14:

I've just set up a new install of myth from atrpms using fc6, and the sound for tv/recordings seems to only work randomly, there are no real apparent errors... anyone have a suggestion?

[03:35:41]

Goldfisch:

14+GB for root.

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alsoconfused:

br14: figure out if the sound is being lost during capture or during playback

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br14:

its during playback

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br14:

and using the music palyer works fine

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defaultro:

do you guys know of a utility that can retrieve our voicemail in comcast website? :)

[03:37:52]

alsoconfused:

br14: can you get sound by manually setting mixer controls?

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br14:

alsocounfused: using something like alsamixer? using aplay works fine

[03:42:02]

alsoconfused:

br14: yeah, with alsamixer try maxing out all the sliders

[03:45:14]

br14:

alsoconfused: didn't help

[03:47:12]

alsoconfused:

br14: in mythfrontend->settings->general->audio, what are your settings for audio device and mixer device? are the pcm and master sliders somewhere near max?

[03:47:12]

br14:

it works maybe 1 out of every 10 times I select watch live tv

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alsoconfused:

br14: i'm using fc6 with mythtv from atrpms. audio (SB Live emu10k1) works fine for me

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br14:

...this is with a pvr-350

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br14:

with the output piped backinto the sound card

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alsoconfused:

br14: that's your problem

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alsoconfused:

you're using pvr-350 for playback?

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br14:

nod

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alsoconfused:

you'll need to have a mixer input set for capture

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br14:

cant that be set in alsamixer?

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__mike3:

hey guys. How can I get a directory so myth can play divx files from a share/

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__mike3:

?

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alsoconfused:

br14: yes, in the capture tab

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br14:

yeah, ok well thoes are all set to 90% and are un-muted

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cesman:

__mike3: mount the share and have MythVideo look at that point mount

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alsoconfused:

br14: any relevant messages in /var/log/messages?

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__mike3:

now to get the damn system to mount

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br14:

none, myth doesn't even complain about not having audio (had that problem in the past)

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alsoconfused:

br14: is the audio looped back internally or externally?

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br14:

externally, ..didn't know you could do it internally

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br14:

its going into the line-in on my on-board snd card

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alsoconfused:

i wasn't sure if you could. i'd try to determine if it's the pvr output that's failing, or the line-in

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__mike3:

Now i'm back to square one with my damn share drives with samba. I'm hosting a samba share on a linux box and window machines have no problem browsing the shares, but it's very very slow mounting on the linux client and it times out.. Any idea why?????????

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__mike3:

ls: /mnt/samba: Input/output error

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cesman:

sorry, I don't use samba

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** br14 bashes his head into the wall **

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cesman:

why not use NFS between the Linux systems?

[04:04:03]

br14:

reboot and now it works ..

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cesman:

just a thought....

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br14:

I dont understand, but ill accept that it is working, as long as it keeps working

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br14:

thanks alsoconfused

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alsoconfused:

br14: you're welcome

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Milosch:

my clock keeps losing time, even with ntp server, turning of powernowd just in case...

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_mike3_:

ok i've installed mythvideos and set the directory up where my movies are. However, they are all in sub directories of that root directory. WHen browsing under Videos I can't see anything..

[04:27:47]

_mike3_:

Why is that?

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cesman:

permission?

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Milosch:

CONFIG_HZ=1000 on the machine with the drift.. maybe that's not ideal

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Dr_willis:

YOu need to tell the video browser tool to show all files perhaps.. depending on the file extension

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris

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_mike3_:

nm

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** Yoooder could use some help. My drive that was holding my MythTV videos died the other day. I've since bought replacements and am having a hard time getting MythTV to work. My database is intact, and everything seems ok, except when I go to watch live-tv I get a "unable to initialize video" error **

[04:31:45]

_mike3_:

shit i gotta setup mplayer to use the remote

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_mike3_:

now I can't get out. :s

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alsoconfused:

Yoooder: do you have the correct permissions on the new video directory?

[04:37:02]

Yoooder:

I believe so, let me double check

[04:38:26]

Yoooder:

alsoconfused: yeah, I just chmod'd it to 777 and still get the error

[04:39:13]

Yoooder:

alsoconfused: hmm, I just went to the folder and there's actually an mpeg that looks like a MythTV file

[04:39:42]

alsoconfused:

try playing it with mplayer or vlc

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Yoooder:

I just ran mythweb and it shows it as "currently recording" from my starting channel

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alsoconfused:

i'd delete the most recent recording and try again

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Yoooder:

this is weird. it's not scheduled to be recording, mythweb shows it as not recording, mythtv gives me the error instead of "all devices are currently recording"

[04:43:05]

Yoooder:

and then they just disappeared! lol

[04:43:20]

Yoooder:

is there any commands to purge the recorded TV database?

[04:43:38]

Yoooder:

or rather, is it safe to just wipe that table of the database?

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alsoconfused:

Yoooder: delete from recorded;

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Yoooder:

the recorded table was empty

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alsoconfused:

any programs showing up in the "watch recordings" screen?

[04:50:19]

Yoooder:

nope

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alsoconfused:

try restarting backend and frontend and then schedule a recording

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alsoconfused:

are you sure you didn't lose anything other than the video directory?

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Fooker:

Bit of a problem that I could use some help with :) I've created a wrapper script for mythcommflag so that I can do some weird stuff, but because of it, mythfrontend always thinks that 0 breaks were found, even though breaks were found. Because of this, its not transcoding these recordings – anyway to override this?

[05:02:49]

xris:

0 breaks generally means mythcommflag didn't actually find commercials

[05:06:18]

Fooker:

It does find the commercials

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xris:

then your script broke something if it's not updating the db

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Fooker:

mythbackend calls my script, which calls mythcommflag, passing along all options that mythbackend used to call my script.

[05:07:31]

Fooker:

So the mythcommflag command is being run as per usual

[05:08:56]

Fooker:

commflagged in mythconverg.recorded is updated to 1, as normal

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alsoconfused:

Fooker: is commflagg the last thing in your script to execute?

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xris:

dunno. if it's not inserting the data, then something's not right. or it's not finding commercials

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Fooker:

xris: Its finding the commercials, flagging them (I know because mythfrontend skips them as it should), and updating the commflagged record in the db

[05:10:17]

Fooker:

alsoconfused: No

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Fooker:

alsoconfused: There is one command that runs after it

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alsoconfused:

i'd try saving the return status from mythcommflag and exiting your script with that

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xris:

Fooker: so then maybe you missed --gencutlist or whatever it is for mythtranscode?

[05:11:19]

Mazus:

anyone know what would be causing this error in mythstreamtv?

[05:11:19]

Mazus:

http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3888/plain/

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Fooker:

xris: Doesn't mythcommflag have to be run first to flag the commercials, and then run a second time to generate the cutlist?

[05:12:00]

xris:

mythcommflag doesn't do anything with the cutlist.

[05:12:28]

xris:

Mazus: looks like vlc not compiled/installed properly or something.

[05:12:35]

Mazus:

hmm

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Fooker:

xris: If mythcommflag --gencutlist -j X is run, it will generate a cutlist for that job ID

[05:12:47]

xris:

Fooker: --gencutlist is for mythtranscode

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Fooker:

xris: Nope

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Mazus:

i typed sudo apt-get vlc

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Mazus:

*install

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Mazus:

and setup mythstreamtv

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Mazus:

and thats what showed up

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xris:

Fooker: ok, I'm wrong there.

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Fooker:

xris: No problems :)

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xris:

Mazus: dunno. mythstreamtv is sort of a dead project.

[05:13:46]

Mazus:

theres a never version for .20

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Fooker:

xris: Maybe I'll just run mythcommflag at the end of the script (a second time)

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Fooker:

Doesn't take too long to run

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xris:

Fooker: how many times do you run mythcommflag?

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xris:

should run ones for commercial flagging, and another time to generate the cutlist.

[05:14:58]

Fooker:

Yep

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Fooker:

Thats exactly what my wrapper script does

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alsoconfused:

Fooker: why do you think running it again at the end will help?

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Fooker:

alsoconfused: Then the script would exit with whatever exit status mythcommflag exited with?

[05:16:02]

alsoconfused:

Fooker: so why not just save the exit status and "exit $status" at the end of the script?

[05:16:26]

Fooker:

alsoconfused: Because I have no clue how to do that? :P

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alsoconfused:

mythcommflat --blah; status=$?; other commands; exit $status

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Fooker:

Wow.

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Fooker:

Thats almost stupid in its simplicity :)

[05:17:19]

Fooker:

Although I prefer to flag my commercials, not flatten them :P

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alsoconfused:

why thank you

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Fooker:

Last person I asked (in #bash) gave me almost 10 lines of commands needed to capture the exit status of a command

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alsoconfused:

that's scary

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Milosch:

i can't run commflag lately

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Milosch:

causes the machine to bog to the extreme

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xris:

make it >> if you want to append instead of rewrite

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xris:

Mazus: newer version? I know that there are patches, but nothing official. That's why I'm trying to write something like it into mythweb for .21

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Mazus:

ahh i can wait than :)

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Fooker:

xris: Yes, that I do know :)

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Fooker:

xris: But its not the output I want to capture, its the exit status

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Mazus:

theres a .rpm floating around to

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Mazus:

mythstreamtv-1.3–7.i386.rpm

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Milosch:

xris: when I saw the install.sh i got scared

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xris:

Mazus: it may not make it into .21 — I need some help from the people who write the backend.

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xris:

Milosch: ??

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Milosch:

for mythstreamtv

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Fooker:

xris: You write mythstreamtv?

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Mazus:

i have mythstreamtv installed

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Mazus:

works fine but doesnt stream

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Mazus:

vlc errors out

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xris:

Fooker: mythweb

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defaultro:

xris, when is .21 going to be released?

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xris:

defaultro: no one's even talking about it yet

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defaultro:

k

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desai:

hi

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Fooker:

Weird

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desai:

I am running into a strange problem and google isn't helping

[05:25:01]

Fooker:

Looking at the job queue, myth doesn't even schedule a transcoding job – skips it completely, even before the commflagging has even started.

[05:25:11]

desai:

after a reboot, my mythbackend isn't listening on its socket properly anymore, so the frontend can't connect to it

[05:25:18]

desai:

has anyone seen anything like this?

[05:25:24]

xris:

desai: what distro?

[05:25:31]

desai:

ubuntu edgy

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xris:

anything in the backend logs?

[05:26:03]

desai:

mythbackend --verbose network doesn't even mention anything about network code

[05:26:11]

desai:

nothing useful in the logs

[05:26:19]

desai:

just the normal startup/database messages

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Mazus:

xris whats going to be new in .21 mythweb?

[05:26:50]

Mazus:

mostly fixes?

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Fooker:

xris: Yeah, I' curious on that one too :) Like, is it going to work? :P

[05:27:25]

desai:

huh.

[05:27:46]

desai:

there is a message that just showed up there that seems kind of odd; the backend is complaining about not being able to connect to the backend

[05:28:05]

Fooker:

xris: I should probably file a bug report on that sometime, but it doesn't even give me an error message.

[05:28:08]

xris:

Mazus: I can't remember what .20 had... fixes, new lookfeel for most of it.

[05:28:34]

xris:

desai: maybe something got tweaked so that it thinks it's a slave backend?

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** desai is rerunning mythtv-setup now, to see if that is the case... **

[05:29:04]

Mazus:

Nice

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xris:

Mazus: oh, and hopefully easier install process... and documentation.

[05:30:09]

desai:

xris: is there a database setting that controlls that? I can find anything in the general section of mythtv-setup

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xris:

desai: it'd be in the db, but I have no idea what it is.

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djohnson:

Hello hello

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Fooker:

desai: Your sure its not mythfilldatabase thats erroring about not being able to connect to the backend? Its output is in the same log file as the one used by mythbackend

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djohnson:

Anybody have an idea of which knoppmyth I'd want to use for a front-end if my backend is .19 ?

[05:31:00]

xris:

desai: so things work fine if you restart the backend once you're already booted?

[05:31:10]

xris:

djohnson: upgrade the backend?

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Fooker:

xris: You beat me to it... I was still debating about wether to be nice and skip oer that comment or not :P

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** xris really needs to go find some dinner. **

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desai:

fooker: that is possible

[05:32:17]

desai:

xris: nope, i have restarted several times, and nothing seems to work

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Fooker:

desai: Does its socket appear in netstat -l ?

[05:33:36]

desai:

nope

[05:33:41]

desai:

lsof doesn't show anything either

[05:33:57]

Fooker:

xris: Is there a table in mythconverg used to store upcoming recordings? The record table only seems to have a few of the upcoming showings, not all of them by far

[05:34:17]

xris:

desai: stop the backend.. then run in your console: mythbackend -v all

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xris:

Fooker: no. upcoming stuff is generated by the backend.

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xris:

big nasty SLOW sql query.

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desai:

xris: already done

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** desai has it running in a console here **

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djohnson:

xris I've thought about it, but hey, it works now, so I'm a bit hesitant to upgrade

[05:35:23]

xris:

desai: and no errors?

[05:35:38]

djohnson:

xris does the standard build scripts do a full upgrade? Or are there database issues?

[05:35:38]

desai:

nope. nothing network related, it is mainly sql messages

[05:35:58]

CyberKnet:

wii sports is awesome :)

[05:36:56]

[shodan]:

any clues what I should look for ?

[05:37:04]

Fooker:

xris: Ok, so how does it generate the record table? Where does it get the settings such as run user job X from?

[05:37:45]

desai:

xris: logs are here: http://pastey.net/5909

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xris:

Fooker: record table is the list of recording schedues

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xris:

desai: run: mythfrontend -v all

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Fooker:

xris: So it has one or two of each rule that has upcoming titles, and just carries over the settings from in there to future programs?

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xris:

Fooker: depends on a lot of different things... depending on the type of schedule, some data is important/ignored.

[05:41:00]

xris:

afk (fod)

[05:41:04]

xris:

afk (food)

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Fooker:

xris: So if I changed, for example, autouserjob1 from 0 to 1 for one of the shows in record, thats using a record all on all channels rule, it'll autouserjob1 for all shows matching that rule?

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alsoconfused:

Fooker: i think that's correct

[05:44:02]

Fooker:

alsoconfused: Thanks :)

[05:44:20]

Fooker:

alsoconfused: It would make sense, but my minds so far off lately that what makes sense to me can be completely off for everyone else.

[05:45:34]

alsoconfused:

i hear ya. I'm alsoconfused!

[05:46:34]

purserj:

anyone played with the mythstream plugin?

[05:47:32]

xris:

Fooker: theoretically

[05:47:44]

xris:

purserj: nope.

[05:47:54]

purserj:

hmm okay

[05:48:04]

xris:

it has its own mailing list/forums, etc.

[05:48:28]

purserj:

yeah, I saw the comments about being unofficial

[05:50:42]

Fooker:

xris: Hit me. Please.

[05:51:12]

** MythLogBot slaps Fooker with a trout on behalf of xris... **

[05:51:28]

Fooker:

I ran !mysql in the wrong ssh session and accidentally restored a week old backup of mythconverg.

[05:51:52]

Fooker:

Guess I get to have the fun job of going in and trying to find which programs I need to manually delete.

[05:52:23]

xris:

or run rebuilddb

[05:52:46]

Fooker:

xris: What will that rebuild? And from what?

[05:52:55]

xris:

in contrib

[05:53:09]

desai:

xris: that was a quick dinner

[05:53:18]

xris:

still eating

[05:53:27]

desai:

xris: i added the networky bits of the mythfrontend -v all run to the same paste

[05:53:36]

desai:

nothing useful, really.

[05:53:43]

Fooker:

Not on my system. Might as well just delete the three programs, they'll be on again within a week or two

[05:53:45]

desai:

i even tried the windows thing and rebooted, to no avail.

[05:53:47]

xris:

ip correct, etc?

[05:53:52]

desai:

yeah

[05:54:06]

desai:

i am pulling down the code now to see how the network code gets setup

[05:54:11]

xris:

Fooker: partial name

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Fooker:

xris: Slocate didn't find it

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xris:

myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

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xris:

sorry, only had one finger free to type.

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xris:

caramelized onions make for a drippy burger

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CyberKnet:

mmmmmmmmmm

[05:56:50]

CyberKnet:

make for a wonderful burger

[05:56:51]

[shodan]:

uh onions can't caramelized they're not made of sugars

[05:57:06]

purserj:

okay is there anything official that handles the pod/vodcast space?

[05:57:11]

[shodan]:

unless you dipped them in caramel

[05:57:27]

xris:

CyberKnet: onion + oyster mushroom + dried porcini + balsamic vinegar + olive oil + butter + heat

[05:57:41]

xris:

purserj: not for mythtv, no

[05:57:50]

CyberKnet:

xris: trade out the oyster mushroom for USDA beef and I'm there :)

[05:58:08]

purserj:

xris: thanks

[05:58:19]

xris:

CyberKnet: that was what was in my caramelized onions.. had nothing to do with the gardenburger I put them on

[05:58:39]

CyberKnet:

oh. heh.

[05:58:42]

CyberKnet:

interesting.

[05:58:44]

xris:

last I checked, mushrooms + beef went together well

[05:58:48]

Fooker:

xris: Can't locate Date/Parse.pm :P

[05:58:58]

Fooker:

xris: Ah well, thanks anyhow

[05:59:00]

xris:

Fooker: so install it?

[05:59:03]

xris:

it's a standard perl module

[05:59:30]

CyberKnet:

xris: I'm a mushroom hater

[05:59:40]

Fooker:

xris: perl-timedate ?

[05:59:44]

xris:

CyberKnet: I was until I started finding good ones like oyster and maitake

[06:00:00]

xris:

Fooker: no clue what your distro calls it. I usually just use cpan.

[06:01:01]

alsoconfused:

Fooker: on fedora it's part of perl-TimeDate

[06:01:27]

CyberKnet:

I used to love fried mushrooms

[06:01:34]

CyberKnet:

alas, I can't stand any shroom now

[06:01:46]

alsoconfused:

bad trip?

[06:02:14]

xris:

CyberKnet: too bad. I've grown to quite like them, depending on how they're cooked

[06:02:42]

Fooker:

alsoconfused: It is, but apparently Time/Format.pm isn't.

[06:03:16]

xris:

Fooker: just use cpan

[06:03:25]

Fooker:

xris: No!

[06:03:41]

Fooker:

xris: And then have to deal with my system breaking when the package manager decides to update my system?

[06:03:49]

Fooker:

xris: I already have enough problems with pacman...

[06:04:23]

xris:

Fooker: what distro?

[06:04:26]

Fooker:

Arch

[06:04:37]

xris:

oh. nothing I know.

[06:04:56]

Fooker:

xris: Very nice theory behind it

[06:04:57]

xris:

apt/yum have search/provides features to find files in uninstalled packages. maybe arch does, too

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Fooker:

xris: Unfortunately, it hasn't been implemented as well as one would hope

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Fooker:

xris: It will update fine, but it won't leave the old files in place – so if you upgrade program A, that needs library A version 1.8, version 1.6 is currently installed, and program B is using 1.6, it'll upgrade the library, upgrade program A, and leave program B non-functional

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xris:

lovely

[06:07:41]

cesman:

xris: has the "stable" nuxevport been updated lately?

[06:07:53]

cesman:

working on finalizing SCALE CD

[06:07:54]

xris:

cesman: 0.4, yeah. yesterday, I think. heh

[06:08:03]

cesman:

ok thanks!

[06:08:25]

xris:

Fooker: sounds like it's time to change distros. heh

[06:08:52]

Fooker:

xris: I haven't found anything else that I like as much as arch

[06:09:20]

xris:

Fooker: sort of like me and linux in general. heh

[06:09:35]

Fooker:

xris: Its a very nice system so long as you respect is downfalls

[06:10:17]

xris:

I'll stick with fedora. I don't like it much, but it's what I know.

[06:10:24]

xris:

and I liked ubuntu less.

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desai:

xris: so i've done a little more stracing, and the "starting as master" message is showing up. it looks like a serious problem with the network setup...

[06:15:23]

xris:

weird

[06:17:10]

desai:

is this worth filing a ticket over?

[06:19:30]

xris:

desai: depends on whether or not it's a bug with the backend or your own network setup

[06:19:40]

alsoconfused:

desai: echo 'select * from settings;'| mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg |grep -i serverport

[06:22:27]

desai:

alsoconfused: MasterServerPort 6543 NULL // BackendServerPort 6543 halcyon

[06:22:47]

desai:

should I have a masterserverport for halcyon (the backend/frontend system)

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alsoconfused:

desai: i meant to say serverip

[06:23:50]

desai:

alsoconfused: 127.0.0.1 for both

[06:24:33]

desai:

alsoconfused: the really strange part is that i am not even seeing the right system calls for a socket bind in strace...

[06:24:52]

xris:

desai: sounds like your system is confused on things.. like it's configured to be both master AND slave backend

[06:25:15]

desai:

how is that?

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xris:

hmm, maybe not.

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alsoconfused:

desai: what are the last calls you saw in strace?

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alsoconfused:

paste the tail of it if you want

[06:28:42]

alsoconfused:

not here of course.

[06:28:54]

desai:

just a sec

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desai:

alsoconfused: there isn't anything useful in the strace. it is a bunch of futex calls

[06:33:20]

alsoconfused:

desai: what does that futex represent?

[06:34:01]

desai:

futexes are special mutexes of some sort; they are used in system calls.

[06:34:10]

desai:

(usually select, i think)

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alsoconfused:

desai: yeah, but on what? can you paste the stuff that happened before the chain of futex calls?

[06:35:27]

Fooker:

So can anyone confirm that mythtv will re-record episodes that it autoexpires?

[06:37:30]

** desai has seen it do that **

[06:37:40]

desai:

when it is actually listening on the network that is ;)

[06:38:00]

desai:

alsoconfused: http://pastey.net/5914

[06:38:31]

alsoconfused:

Fooker: not sure if it's what you're interested in, but table oldrecorded has a field called reactivate;

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Fooker:

alsoconfused: I'm just curious if I have to manually delete the recordings so they won't re-record, or if it'll just automatically not re-record them

[06:41:09]

alsoconfused:

desai: i'd say there's a good chance that the close() on your video capture device is hanging. can you confirm that the capture hardware is configured correctly?

[06:42:18]

desai:

hm

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alsoconfused:

Fooker: if it thinks it still has the recordings, then i don't think it would try to rerecord them. if they have been deleted, then my guess is it uses the reactivate flag do know if it should re-record.

[06:42:57]

desai:

it is ivtv; i've tried the cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/file.mpg and that has seemed to work

[06:43:10]

Fooker:

alsoconfused: Sorry, I'm confused..

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desai:

let me try rebooting to an older kernel, to see if a different ivtv driver matters..

[06:44:15]

alsoconfused:

desai: did you recently change anything in the kernel?

[06:44:54]

desai:

yeah, i booted to a newer kernel by accident. i just realized that

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** desai is a dumbass **

[06:45:31]

desai:

the older kernel works fine

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alsoconfused:

desai: you might be missing some v4l module.

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desai:

that sounds probably

[06:46:30]

alsoconfused:

Fooker: are the programs still showing in the list of "recorded programs"?

[06:46:32]

desai:

probably

[06:46:39]

desai:

s/probably/probable/

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_mike3__:

Hey guys how can I run custom scripts from Myth? Just program them in the lircrc file??

[06:47:05]

desai:

xris:alsoconfused: thank you so much for your help

[06:47:42]

juski:

morning

[06:47:42]

mboman:

I have a few issues with my MythTV setup. I output to both TV and Projector; TV uses composit while projector using HDMI via a DVI->HDMI converter. Managed to get image on both screens but the TV only uses 50% of the screen real estate.

[06:48:16]

juski:

mboman: that's called overscan and I think 50% might be over-egging it somewhat

[06:48:18]

Fooker:

mboman: When you run just X on both the TV and projector, does it do the same thing?

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xris:

Fooker: I actually don't know the answer to that one. kind of wonder about it myself.

[06:48:54]

alsoconfused:

Fooker: there's a param called 'RerecordAutoExpired' in the settings table. i never tried it though.

[06:49:01]

mboman:

juski: nope, ,50% is about right. The screen is located in upper left corner.

[06:49:15]

alsoconfused:

Fooker: i think i've seen it in the settings gui

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juski:

oo never seen that happen

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mboman:

Fooker: jupp

[06:49:19]

Fooker:

juski: Or his X settings could be screwed up

[06:49:32]

juski:

I'll say

[06:49:47]

Fooker:

mboman: Its not a mythtv problem – your X11 config is wrong

[06:50:15]

_mike3__:

Hey guys how can I run custom scripts from Myth? Just program them in the lircrc file??

[06:50:22]

mboman:

My TV is an old 20" PAL-B (4:3) while my projector is 480p (16:9)

[06:51:17]

Fooker:

mboman: Try setting up an X config for just the TV in a single monitor config – get that working with the full sreen in use, and then bring the projector back into the mix.

[06:51:31]

mboman:

Fooker: done that

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Fooker:

mboman: And then does X run full screen on the TV?

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_mike3__:

begin

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_mike3__:

prog = mythtv

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_mike3__:

button = Blue

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_mike3__:

config = /home/mythtv/scripts/powerdown.sh

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_mike3__:

end

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_mike3__:

Would this work?

[06:52:04]

mboman:

yes. As long as I don't activate TwinView and only display to the TV it's fine

[06:52:14]

Fooker:

mboman: And when you activate twinview?

[06:52:29]

Fooker:

_mike3__: I think you need to have prog = exec

[06:52:57]

mboman:

Fooker: the Projector is fine, but the TV becomes only 50% used

[06:53:06]

juski:

mboman: ahh different screen resolutions :)

[06:53:12]

_mike3__:

do I have to restart myth after making changes to this config?

[06:53:21]

Fooker:

_mike3__: Nope

[06:53:28]

_mike3__:

that didn't work..

[06:53:40]

Fooker:

_mike3__: You may have to restart lirc

[06:54:04]

Fooker:

_mike3__: Just to check – you did assosciate button "Blue" with a signal, yes?

[06:54:10]

xris:

juski: can you do me a favor and pastebin something for me?

[06:54:18]

xris:

or rather, do you have xmltvid fields in your db?

[06:54:29]

_mike3__:

Fooker: yes

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Fooker:

_mike3__: And the lirc test program (whatever its called) confirms that button blue is being pressed?

[06:55:12]

_mike3__:

Fooker: what app is that to test with again

[06:55:13]

_mike3__:

the bin file

[06:55:14]

_mike3__:

?

[06:55:17]

juski:

xris: yes I do have xmltvid fields in my channel table

[06:55:21]

Fooker:

_mike3__: I forget

[06:55:39]

Fooker:

_mike3__: lircmd I think

[06:55:46]

xris:

juski: SELECT callsign, xmltvid FROM channel;

[06:55:55]

juski:

lircmd is the mouse thing for lirc

[06:56:01]

juski:

lirc mouse daemon

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Fooker:

Ah :)

[06:56:13]

alsoconfused:

irexec?

[06:56:26]

mboman:

juski: any ideas how to resolve it?

[06:56:40]

Fooker:

alsoconfused: Is there a difference between using irexec and exec?

[06:56:54]

_mike3__:

irw

[06:57:06]

Fooker:

alsoconfused: lirc just calls prog config, does it not?

[06:57:25]

juski:

xris: http://www.pastebin.ca/338176

[06:57:35]

fatrhino:

can anyone help me real quick with how I can add a module to be loaded at boot in FC5?

[06:57:37]

Fooker:

Anyways, I gotta get to bed. Thanks for all the help, you guys are great.

[06:57:46]

alsoconfused:

Fooker: afaik, clients use lircrc entries with a matching prog=

[06:57:59]

Fooker:

alsoconfused: Ah

[06:58:05]

Fooker:

alsoconfused: Ignore me then :P

[06:58:24]

xris:

juski: thx

[06:58:25]

juski:

xris: it's also not necessarily 'right' either because I have a script to set up channels on one video source that just sets the name & callsign to be the same thing

[06:58:26]

_mike3__:

Fooker: yah it works

[06:58:32]

_mike3__:

just gotta get a customer script to pull up now..

[06:58:55]

xris:

juski: yeah, I know. that's why I want the xmltvid fields, actually...

[06:59:00]

xris:

more accurate for identifying channels

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fatrhino:

saa7134-dvb doesnt load automatically when I boot, so my HD card doesnt work until i 'modprobe saa7134-dvb'

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juski:

fatrhino: so you need to add saa7134-dvb to a list of kernel modules to load at boot time. where you add it to varies from distro to distro.. what are you using?

[07:01:55]

fatrhino:

Fedora Core 5

[07:03:09]

fatrhino:

so i've got /etc/modprobe.conf, and /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf.dist, i'm just not sure how exactly it should be entered

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purserj:

win 14

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qfx:

Anyone know a way to show quality info in mythfrontend?

[07:17:14]

juski:

qfx: one of the function keys

[07:17:49]

juski:

fatrhino: I dunno how you config fc5 to tell it to load modules. time to dig out the manual

[07:19:33]

qfx:

juski: thanks

[07:19:41]

jduggan:

hmmm

[07:19:45]

jduggan:

silly time to be awake

[07:20:14]

juski:

qfx: F7. found that out from keys.txt

[07:20:29]

juski:

jduggan: tell me about it.

[07:20:55]

juski:

but when there's a to-do list to plod through, it's better than sitting in front of news24

[07:20:58]

Dagmar:

You shouldn't need to configure it to load modules, unless you've got crappy ISA cards around

[07:21:09]

** xris wonders if there's a database somewhere of xmltvids **

[07:21:44]

xris:

ooh, there IS!

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qfx:

juski: Now if only it worked ;) Says "no signal monitors"

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juski:

qfx: prolly only works with digital cards

[07:23:29]

qfx:

I think my knoppmyth frontend is getting lower FPS than it should. It seems to be dropping some frames or something

[07:23:36]

qfx:

I have a hauppaugggeeee

[07:23:53]

juski:

a what?

[07:24:16]

qfx:

PVR 150... I can never spell the company name, I always either get the vowels backwards, or I don't add enough consonants

[07:24:36]

xris:

qfx: you got it right that time.. with a few extra letters

[07:24:56]

qfx:

Hauppaugge?

[07:25:00]

qfx:

Or only 1 p?

[07:25:15]

juski:

so yeah the pvr150 doesn't have any signal monitoring

[07:25:25]

qfx:

Fair enough :)

[07:25:47]

xris:

qfx: only one g

[07:25:56]

juski:

as for playback issues – you can try & find out by using mythfrontend --verbose playback (surprisingly).. narf

[07:33:32]

qfx:

heh. No problem. Thanks for the tip, I'll do that though. Just too tired now.

[07:33:51]

qfx:

It's almost certainly because I'm running it in a VMWare window

[07:37:39]

_mike3:

How do you go to the playback menu?

[07:40:02]

** xris curses that each xmltv grabber uses a completely unique file format for storing ids **

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mahr:

Hello

[07:43:11]

_mike3:

how do you watch currently recording shows

[07:43:18]

_mike3:

I keep getting a pop up about the playback menu

[07:44:11]

rikstah:

go to the media library?

[07:44:39]

rikstah:

"watch recordings"

[07:45:23]

mahr:

So im having a few isuues with mythtv Once recording something I can't continue to watch live tv. all devices are in use. status shows tuner1 is watching live tv.

[07:45:37]

Dagmar:

So do you have one tuner?

[07:45:41]

mahr:

yes

[07:45:43]

_mike3:

Dagmar: yes

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** rikstah sighs **

[07:45:49]

Dagmar:

And this suprises you?

[07:46:01]

juski:

_mike3: if nothing is shown there press M to bring up a group menu & select a different group to view

[07:46:01]

_mike3:

am I not capable of watching what's being recorded?

[07:46:07]

Dagmar:

You can.

[07:46:13]

Dagmar:

You get to do it from the recorded programs menu

[07:46:18]

rikstah:

oh my god

[07:46:18]

Dagmar:

...like it says in the FAQ

[07:46:27]

juski:

and the manual

[07:46:29]

rikstah:

is it n00b hour

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kormoc:

rikstah, aye, 24x7x52

[07:46:50]

Dagmar:

rikstah: I want to know when it's not n00b hour

[07:46:51]

adante:

heyyy

[07:46:51]

juski:

noob hour? that's putting a fine point on it

[07:46:58]

rikstah:

true

[07:47:01]

adante:

where do you go to change the osd themin myth now?

[07:47:07]

juski:

playback menu

[07:47:10]

juski:

tv playback I mean

[07:47:12]

juski:

settings

[07:47:12]

Dagmar:

Someone was in here yesterday asking hor to watch TV

[07:47:18]

adante:

ahh.. thanks

[07:47:22]

rikstah:

haha i love it

[07:47:23]

Dagmar:

s/hor/how/;

[07:47:24]

mahr:

yes it is took me a couple days to load and set up all me hardware i can vent somewhere now

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kormoc:

you open your eyes and look at it?

[07:47:41]

juski:

we should kickban more people just for the hell of it

[07:47:44]

kormoc:

mahr, feel free to vent somewhere, just not here...

[07:48:02]

Dagmar:

mahr: Sounds like you were trying to "save time" by not spending the hour or so it takes to read the documentation

[07:48:02]

mahr:

lol I have i threw the bad stuff at my GF

[07:48:08]

rikstah:

well, i'm not usually so mean....but ...christ....most of this stuff is common sense

[07:48:10]

kormoc:

juski, I know, it's so tempting at times, but I must resist! :P

[07:48:31]

rikstah:

and it's early morning and I'm grouchy :P

[07:48:38]

juski:

you installed mythtv, which for some is quite a feat, yet the most basic of things puzzles you. it's strange

[07:49:07]

mahr:

No actually most of the time i was spending was in school something about college and homework and attending classes for good grades

[07:49:10]

rikstah:

god forbit they actually have to engage their brain!

[07:49:23]

rikstah:

forbid*

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juski:

mind you, one company I used to work at, there was a guy who'd designed all the hardware – majorly complex redundant multi-cpu systems based on 68040 and he couldn't work out how to use the Coke machine

[07:50:04]

kormoc:

mahr, meh, we honestly don't care. Just read the docs and you'll do much better

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riksta:

i find super intelligence == no common sense

[07:50:26]

kormoc:

juski, the rain man principal. The smarter you are in one area, the more the others lack

[07:50:29]

mahr:

website said go here for help....not very helpful

[07:50:29]

riksta:

such irony

[07:50:38]

kormoc:

mahr, sure, we'll help just fine

[07:50:44]

Dagmar:

mahr: Mainly because we expect you've read the documentation

[07:50:55]

kormoc:

mahr, but when it's written out in plain text, it's much easier for you to read it

[07:50:56]

riksta:

maybe it should say for help and abuse ;)

[07:50:58]

Dagmar:

If you have a *problem* because something *broke*, we're very useful

[07:51:11]

Dagmar:

If you just came here to whine that no one wants to hold your hand, call your mommy.

[07:51:27]

riksta:

lighten up a little though :)

[07:51:28]

Dagmar:

I like to assume people aren't here for that

[07:51:40]

riksta:

we're getting as bad as IJR ;)

[07:51:45]

** kormoc laughs **

[07:51:46]

Dagmar:

Some days it seems that no one knows how to read anymore, tho. :/

[07:51:48]

juski:

assumption is the mother of all disappointment

[07:51:52]

mahr:

ok what im trying to get at is I start mythtv watch it fine for hours... then i set it to record something and after that recording is done im stuck unable to watch

[07:52:11]

kormoc:

mahr, okay, that's different then what you seemed to say before

[07:52:16]

riksta:

mahr, you go into the recordings menu and watch it from there, it'll be coloured pink

[07:52:30]

kormoc:

riksta, the key is, "after that recording is done"

[07:52:31]

riksta:

oh wait, when it's done...

[07:52:35]

riksta:

ya

[07:52:36]

juski:

just imagine how bad things will get if this thing is ever ported to windows

[07:52:37]

mahr:

but what about after its done...

[07:52:41]

juski:

you won't see me for dust

[07:52:59]

Dagmar:

juski: You gotta watch out for that

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kormoc:

juski, heh, we'll split channels, #mythtv-users-windows, #mythtv-windows, and #mythtv-go-the-hell-away

[07:53:10]

_mike3:

What is it that MythTV does that WIndows Media Center can't?

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Dagmar:

There's at least one regular in here who will argue that windows users aren't statistically dumb as rocks

[07:53:20]

riksta:

mahr, so... the first thing is to enable some verbose logging.... easiest thing would be to start the mythbackend -v all from the console

[07:53:22]

kormoc:

_mike3, allow me to modify the code as I see fit

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riksta:

mahr, then you need to try a short recording and look for any errors

[07:53:31]

juski:

_mike3: you mean apart from not having built in DRM & lame limitations ?

[07:53:31]

Dagmar:

_mike3: keep script kiddies out

[07:53:43]

_mike3:

but like what features does it have

[07:53:44]

_mike3:

you know..

[07:53:47]

juski:

thou shalt only ever have 2 tuners

[07:53:53]

kormoc:

_mike3, it views video!

[07:53:58]

_mike3:

I'd like to take up a good arguement with a co-worker. He uses Windows Media Center

[07:53:59]

Dagmar:

mahr: It sounds like you got creative with your MySQL setup to me

[07:53:59]

juski:

commercial flagging?

[07:54:06]

mahr:

ty riksta what kind of errors am i looking for?

[07:54:13]

juski:

_mike3: just pick up a 2x4 & beat the shit out of him with it

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** riksta is still waiting for multiple recording from a single DVB TS **

[07:54:24]

nuonguy:

_mike3: why?

[07:54:25]

riksta:

VDR has had that for ages

[07:54:32]

Dagmar:

riksta: Well get to coding

[07:54:36]

juski:

riksta: enjoy your wait :-P

[07:54:47]

juski:

in the meantime we'll look forward to seeing your patches

[07:54:49]

riksta:

Dagmar, I don't have time for that crap :)

[07:55:00]

riksta:

hey...i helped with the DVB stuff with taylor jacob

[07:55:02]

riksta:

so leave me alone :P

[07:55:06]

_mike3:

Because his arguement is "Why go through all the hassel of setting up a MythTV box when you can easily setup WIndows Media Center and be done"

[07:55:14]

juski:

_mike3: just pick up a 2x4 & beat the shit out of him with it

[07:55:27]

kormoc:

_mike3, mythweb

[07:55:29]

juski:

it's the only way to make windows fanboys see sense

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nuonguy:

_mike3: so? Let him enjoy his virus infested media center

[07:55:39]

_mike3:

kormoc: You acn do that

[07:55:47]

kormoc:

_mike3, uhh... yeah?

[07:56:15]

_mike3:

Yep from MSN. It's not the same but allows you to setup up scheduling remotely.

[07:56:16]

kormoc:

_mike3, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythplugins/mythweb

[07:56:17]

juski:

_mike3: can you archive shows to DVD without some god-horrible 3rd party plugin? nope

[07:56:31]

_mike3:

but you can do it

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nuonguy:

I was at a friends house who bought their house with an HP-somethingorother with windows media center — they booted like 3 times just to get itunes running and I saw all sorts of virus messages that they ignored

[07:56:48]

kormoc:

_mike3, commflagging automatically, exportable to ipods and other video players via nuvexport

[07:57:16]

juski:

commercial flagging is prolly the single biggest thing that MCE can't do

[07:57:17]

kormoc:

_mike3, can it support 30 tuners at once? how about HD capturing via firewire?

[07:57:18]

_mike3:

but it's possible

[07:57:21]

nuonguy:

My MythTV machine has been stuttering a little lately

[07:57:32]

Dagmar:

oh noes! exporting to other devices! That would make you a pirate for sure!

[07:57:38]

nuonguy:

I upgraded my machine from FC4i386 to FC6x86_64

[07:57:44]

Dagmar:

http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/pirate.swf

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_mike3:

I don't know what it can do and can't do.

[07:57:54]

nuonguy:

And the load seems really, really high sometimes

[07:57:58]

_mike3:

I never touched it. I built this myth system.

[07:58:08]

_mike3:

Is commercial skipping set up with Myth by default?

[07:58:11]

kormoc:

_mike3, there's really not many features that are missing between the two. I just perfer myth

[07:58:14]

Dagmar:

_mike3: Nope

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nuonguy:

I've been looking through the mailing lisst and other folks have complained, but I can't find a resolution

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_mike3:

Dagmar: Is it a plugin?

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Dagmar:

It'll flag by default (afaiK) but it doesn't skip by default unless you poke at the setup menus

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juski:

_mike3: no its not a plugin

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juski:

flagging isn't enabled by default IIRC

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riksta:

comm detection doesn't really work very well in the uk

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kormoc:

Firewire capturing is a huge thing for US people, as MCE just won't support it and you can't get HD via cable without it

[07:59:42]

_mike3:

juski: Can I enable this from the frontend or do I need to run the mythsetup again?

[07:59:47]

juski:

does mythtv cost money by the way? ;)

[08:00:02]

Dagmar:

Yes!

[08:00:07]

Dagmar:

It's very expensive.

[08:00:11]

kormoc:

_mike3, how about being able to cluster computers together to share jobs, like transcoding and commflagging and similar? how about being able to run user defined jobs?

[08:00:27]

kormoc:

juski, yes, and you owe me lots 'o back pay!

[08:00:30]

juski:

_mike3: just read the manual

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juski:

oh noes!

[08:01:14]

juski:

does MCE have GUI themes like blootube ? nope.. ;)

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** kormoc laughs **

[08:01:22]

kormoc:

indeed!

[08:01:23]

adante:

hey, does xvmc require a restart or anything?

[08:01:30]

Dagmar:

PVRs are like pants

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_mike3:

kormoc: Yah I'm going to have to

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_mike3:

:)

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juski:

Dagmar: I see where you're going. MCE is pants with skidmarks

[08:02:00]

Dagmar:

You can install MCE, and you can just wear sweat pants... or you can actually install MythTV and maybe wear something that doesn't make you look like a shut-in

[08:02:02]

adante:

i've been trying to use it wtha gf4ti and i'm not noticing any sort of change in cpu

[08:02:25]

** kormoc peers at his sweat pants **

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juski:

Dagmar: I think an analogue for MCE would be pants with a bill gates shaped dildo

[08:02:31]

kormoc:

shut in eh?

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_mike3:

kormoc: where do you define the commer skipping at?

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riksta:

haha i have sweat pants on

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Dagmar:

juski: Pants with a discretionary flap on the back

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riksta:

assless pants!

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kormoc:

_mike3, donno... it's all covered in the manual

[08:03:18]

juski:

_mike3: look in utils / setup > setup > tv settings > recording

[08:03:23]

riksta:

ass-less LEATHER pants

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Dagmar:

Chavs and their sweat pants

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xris:

heh. this channel icon db is growing quite large.

[08:03:28]

xris:

up to 2 megs now.

[08:03:34]

riksta:

haha yeah

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juski:

commflag all new recordings / method settings should be there

[08:03:45]

riksta:

i like that you know what a "Chav" is

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Dagmar:

Acutally I'm still trying to figure it out

[08:04:01]

riksta:

there's a good wikipedia entry

[08:04:06]

juski:

then to enable automagical commercial skipping, look in tv playback seetings

[08:04:09]

Dagmar:

Yeah, and it still doesn't make a lot of sense

[08:04:11]

kormoc:

Dagmar, it's just cold in here :P

[08:04:22]

kormoc:

xris, nifty!

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juski:

Dagmar: look up 'Devvo' on youtube. He's a chav

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riksta:

Dagmar, it's hard really...it's a weird culture thing...and it's hard to define. I'm about as far from a chav as possible...but i do have some seat pants for gym purposes only :)

[08:04:48]

riksta:

hahah yeah devvo!!

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alsoconfused:

adante: restart the frontend and change settings->tv->playback->mpeg2 decoder

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Dagmar:

Oh... the wikipedia entry has an illustration now that makes it very clear

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xris:

kormoc: doesn't have much useful data, but I have all of the known xmltvid fields imported now.

[08:05:02]

Dagmar:

We americans have a word for it that's a bit easier to understand. It's "wigger".

[08:05:03]

riksta:

Dagmar, watch devvo at fatpie.com

[08:05:07]

riksta:

he is the epitome of chav

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juski:

Is it Becuz I is fick?

[08:05:36]

riksta:

oh, the domain changed

[08:05:46]

riksta:

fat-pie.com my bad

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riksta:

other is porn hah

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xris:

annoying that most of the xmltv importers use a formula to generate the xmltvids instead of a flat file.

[08:06:13]

xris:

need to come up with a way to deal with user submissions.

[08:06:23]

juski:

xris: really? I thought they had a proper dtd & everything

[08:06:25]

Dagmar:

eheheh

[08:06:54]

riksta:

juski, you're from baguley

[08:07:03]

riksta:

?

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adante:

the flipside to the pants analogy is that mythtv also requires you to basically go to the effort of tailoring your own pants, as opposed to buying a pear of mce sweaties from costco

[08:07:53]

juski:

I don't even know where baguley is

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riksta:

oh, was jus guessin from your hostname....it's near manchester

[08:08:18]

adante:

sure myth gives you a very nice pair of form fitting pants, but it sure requres a lot of effort :]

[08:08:19]

Dagmar:

Christ I have to take an editor to this wikipedia entry

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Dagmar:

Mocking people you don't like is all well and good but puh-lease use the words right.... "Some young male chavs tend to have pubic hair like facial hair, notably a moustache"

[08:08:58]

Dagmar:

The irony is that "pubic hair" is linked to a definition of what it is

[08:09:54]

riksta:

did you watch devvo? :)

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xris:

juski: the dtd applies to the formatting of the xml, not the possible values

[08:10:41]

adante:

alsoconfused: ok, i changed to xvmc, restarted the fronted.. cpu utilistion is still the same

[08:11:13]

xris:

juski: however, I now have a program that can look up a channel icon by callsign or xmltvid

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alsoconfused:

adante: what cpu do you have? what % is the frontend using?

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Dagmar:

riksta: I'm still baffled as to why people seem to think there needs to be a specific term beyond just "congenital moron" and so forth

[08:11:55]

riksta:

it's a specific style though

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xris:

though I think now that I want to redo things to clean up the db a bit

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Dagmar:

riksta: Trust me it's much more fulfilling to be able to call someone something to their face with words bigger than they can understand

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adante:

alsoconfused: p4/ht 2.8ghz, gf4ti, frontend uses 20% for standard and about 60–80% for hd

[08:12:45]

Dagmar:

riskta: Yeah and everything I've seen about them pretty much appears to fall under the category of 'white trash' or 'wigger'

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riksta:

Dagmar, it's something that you have to experience in our culture to be able to properly understand i think.

[08:13:13]

juski:

or watch Shameless ;)

[08:13:14]

riksta:

Dagmar, it's kinda like that....but not exactly. I've lived in the US for a while

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** xris wonders if it'd just be easier to link xmltvid fields and screw the whole callsign thing **

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Dagmar:

riksta: Possibly. I know I don't often see people quite as obviously handicapped as this Devvo guy

[08:13:34]

xris:

oh well. guess I have to have them to make it easier for users to find matches

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riksta:

Dagmar, he's an emphasized character

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riksta:

:)

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juski:

xris: I'd be happy if the callsign field just vanished altogether :)

[08:14:25]

riksta:

he's pretty much mocking them

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xris:

juski: you silly brits ;)

[08:14:41]

juski:

pretty much? I'd say totally mocking them

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riksta:

juski, yeah but i think he's a bit of a chav at heart too

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xris:

though even some of our callsigns here are getting nuts.

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_mike3:

The commercial stuff was setup ..

[08:15:20]

_mike3:

Hey where's a good place to get some themes. I'm not a fan for the ones that have come with MythTV

[08:15:23]

alsoconfused:

adante: sd uses a bit over 20% for sd, a couple percent higher without xvmc. i don't do much hdtv, but i think the numbers are a bit higher than yours.

[08:15:33]

alsoconfused:

adante: that's on a p4 2400

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xris:

_mike3: juski.co.uk

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juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Themes

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adante:

alsoconfused: hmm ok

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xris:

juski: someone really needs to clean up that page and remove the ones that are long since dead.

[08:17:30]

adante:

alsoconfused: is the osd still greyscale in xvmc?

[08:17:39]

alsoconfused:

yep

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juski:

haha there I am trying to be unbiased ;)

[08:17:48]

adante:

alsoconfused: (the wiki seems to suggest this.. my osd is still in colour whih suggests xvmc i no activated)

[08:17:56]

adante:

is not activated... sorrywireless keyboard

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juski:

xris: I think I can guess which ones are dead

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xris:

purple galaxy comes to mind

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juski:

Photo

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juski:

abstract too i think

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juski:

another idea might just be to delete all the lame ones

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juski:

muhahahaha

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_mike3:

nice theme

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alsoconfused:

adante: watch stdout of the frontend for messages like: AFD: Opened codec 0xadb31d0, id(MPEG2VIDEO_XVMC) type(Video)

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_mike3:

i like that

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juski:

which one?

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adante:

alsoconfused: i seem to be getting: XvMCWrapper: Could not open config file "/etc/X11/XvMCConfig".

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alsoconfused:

adante: ok. echo 'libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1' > /etc/X11/XvMCConfig

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adante:

alsoconfused: okk.. restart x?

[08:24:29]

xris:

juski: well, we *did* offer you commit privs. :)

[08:24:58]

adante:

alsoconfused: seems to be working! THAnks

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juski:

and I said I'd think about it.. still thinking about it

[08:25:43]

adante:

alsoconfused: lol.. cpu usage is now at 35%!

[08:26:07]

alsoconfused:

adante: i'm not sure if you need to restart X, but make sure that libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 is a symlink to the actual nvidia library.

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adante:

alsoconfused: yeah seems to be

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alsoconfused:

adante: was the 35% just a spike?

[08:31:09]

adante:

alsoconfused: nah it is a solid 30–35%

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alsoconfused:

adante: how are you measuring that?

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adante:

alsoconfused: just looking at top output

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adante:

alsoconfused: also, lots of nasty looking artifacts at text and stuff

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alsoconfused:

adante: yeah, that's higher than it should be. it looks like my frontend is more like 16% for sd with xvmc

[08:34:35]

adante:

alsoconfused: mm, that and the fact that it's higher with xvmc than without is a little.. yes :]

[08:35:05]

alsoconfused:

what other goodies do you have in your xorg.conf?

[08:36:14]

alsoconfused:

does glxinfo show direct rendering to be working?

[08:36:19]

adante:

alsoconfused: NVAGP 1, thats about it

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adante:

alsoconfused: had a lot of other fruity stuff, but disabled it to simplify factors (AND RESTARTED X)

[08:37:00]

adante:

damn keyboard

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alsoconfused:

good

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adante:

alsoconfused: yeah direct rendering i def working, glx reports yes and i have played some opengl games

[08:38:19]

alsoconfused:

not sure about the specifics of your card, but for mine the newer drivers all sucked. i'm running 7184

[08:39:02]

alsoconfused:

if you have composite enabled, you might try disabling it.

[08:39:04]

adante:

ahh yeah now you mention it, i did red something about that

[08:39:18]

adante:

yeah i'm using 8xxx someting

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alsoconfused:

whichever 8776 gave me stuttering problems with xvmc

[08:41:17]

adante:

yeah hehthat one

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adante:

gah no 8756 ebuilds :]

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alsoconfused:

7184?

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alsoconfused:

it seems like their newer drivers break stuff on older cards

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adante:

yeah i'll give that a whirl.. thanks

[08:43:39]

adante:

dyou use gentoo by any cance?

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alsoconfused:

fedora

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adante:

ok bilding now.. i have to go now but thanks for your help alsoconfused

[08:45:04]

alsoconfused:

ok, good luck

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mahr:

ok so I cant even kill mythbackend....crashed my box....

[08:48:23]

mahr:

/etc/init.d/mythbackend restart

[08:48:23]

mahr:

* Stopping MythTV Backend ... [ !! ]

[08:49:36]

mahr:

My guess is that a reboot would fix it but why did my mythtv get stuck and how do i fix it

[08:53:06]

kormoc:

killall -9 mythbackend

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kormoc:

see if that works

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mahr:

mythbackend still running

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mahr:

ok so I just rebooted the system and now everything seems to be working fine...playback,livetv.

[09:16:50]

mahr:

mythbackend was locked up on the reboot though and it was still recording but that status wasnt showing up on the frontend

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mahr:

Could changing the audio settings cause the mythbackend to hang up?

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Dagmar:

Anything's possible

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mahr:

good night. thanks for the help.

[09:49:29]

juski:

man remote controls are hard to draw in svg

[09:51:05]

Dagmar:

jake[work]: Yeah, there's a pretty substantial difference between the two videos you're leaving out

[09:59:02]

jake[work]:

dagmar – it's the same video

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Dagmar:

Sounds like one's using the internal player and the other is using mplayer

[10:01:15]

jake[work]:

ok

[10:01:43]

jake[work]:

any guess on which is working well

[10:01:44]

jake[work]:

?

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Dagmar:

That's for you to poke at the configuration menus and figure out

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jake[work]:

should be easy enough

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Dagmar:

I've no inclination to be trying to tell people how to find things in the nightmarish setup menus, but I figure being informed that it's possible to have it using an internal player or an external player should be a strong enough hint to find out what's going on

[10:03:57]

Dagmar:

I basically just leave stuff alone and mine works.

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juski:

Dagmar: wtf are you talking about? livetv & recorded shows both use the internal player for playback

[10:04:27]

jake[work]:

yep – mine is the default knoppmyth install

[10:04:29]

Dagmar:

juski: Did you read his question?

[10:04:48]

juski:

yup

[10:04:51]

Dagmar:

Sounds like it pretty much has to be using different mechanisms for playback

[10:05:06]

juski:

live stream vs recorded stream...

[10:05:18]

juski:

both would use the internal player

[10:05:33]

Dagmar:

LIve streams and recorded streams are the same thing

[10:05:39]

Dagmar:

They're all recorded.

[10:05:43]

juski:

duh

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Dagmar:

...and since he said he was playing the same file, that kind of excludes file differences

[10:06:20]

juski:

jake[work]> i have a seperate front-end machine Core2 Duo 6600 and I play a recorded stream – CPU usage is high on

[10:06:21]

Dagmar:

If he can't accurately describe his setup, that's his problem, but they guy doesn't strike me as that dim

[10:06:23]

juski:

frontend (126% in top), but all looks good. However, if I play a live stream, CPU usage is signifcantly

[10:06:26]

juski:

lower (%50-%60) but I'm dropping a bunch of frames.

[10:06:40]

juski:

looks pretty much like a difference between recording profiles to me

[10:06:54]

Dagmar:

Hmm.... Or playback groups

[10:07:14]

Dagmar:

...but...."<jake[work]> dagmar – it's the same video"

[10:07:39]

jake[work]:

right – i play it live and it's choppy

[10:07:44]

juski:

mythtv can't use an external player for watching recordings

[10:07:47]

Zider:

is there any way to have mythtv execute a command before and after the internal player plays a file?

[10:07:57]

jake[work]:

then go back and play recorded and it looks awesome

[10:09:06]

juski:

Zider: make a script, then configure mythtv to run it to play back files. Then call mythtv $filename from the script

[10:09:21]

juski:

add whatever you want to do pre & post playback in the script

[10:09:48]

Zider:

juski: oh, didn't know you could call the internal player that way.. :)

[10:11:17]

juski:

might be handy if you have any home automation guff... dim the lights, play movie, bring the lights up again :)

[10:11:28]

Zider:

hehe

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Dagmar:

So that sounds an awful lot like being able to use an external player

[10:11:47]

Zider:

I was thinking more like clocking up the cpu when playing video and clocking down for the menus..

[10:12:18]

Zider:

it tends to forget that

[10:12:25]

juski:

Dagmar: yes, for playing back *videos* aye

[10:12:33]

juski:

not for playing back recordings

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juski:

they're different animals to mythtv

[10:12:58]

Dagmar:

Yeah

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Zider:

well, this is mostly for dvd playing

[10:13:10]

Dagmar:

I still suck at C++ a bit too much to fix that

[10:13:16]

Dagmar:

I was looking into it yesterday tho

[10:13:39]

Dagmar:

Things would be a bit simpler if there was just one data store for both recordings and mythvideo

[10:14:52]

jake[work]:

is it possible backend is not sending out all the frames while in live mode? is there a setting for adjusting that?

[10:14:53]

juski:

a tiny bit simpler

[10:15:02]

juski:

jake[work]: nope, it's not down to that

[10:15:36]

juski:

jake[work]: livetv & scheduled recordings are essentially the same thing apart from one big difference. they both use different recording profiles

[10:18:14]

jake[work]:

but does the "scheduled recordings" still apply to recordings done automatically by watching live tv?

[10:18:25]

jake[work]:

(essentially no-scheduled)

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jake[work]:

non

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juski:

no, everything in livetv has the 'live tv' profile applied to it

[10:20:28]

jake[work]:

ok – one more item taken out of the equation

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jake[work]:

since both are "live" clips time shifted

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jake[work]:

ok – same player, same recording profile... what else is there?

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juski:

hmmmmm

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juski:

so hang on a sec. let's get this straight. if you go into watch tv & just watch a show, cpu usage is very high but everything looks okay. but when you play back the same thing from 'watch recordings' cpu usage is less but it's dropping frames?

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jake[work]:

reverse

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jake[work]:

watching it "live" is when the frames are dropped

[10:24:44]

jake[work]:

the CPU usage is low though

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juski:

even so – there shouldn't be any difference since both are essentially the same thing

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jake[work]:

when i watch it time shifted, CPU usage is really high, but no dropped frames

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juski:

one thing you can try is pausing the live show, then unpause

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jake[work]:

ok

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juski:

if that works okay I think you've stumbled on a bug developers are trying to figure out

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jake[work]:

tried that – no difference

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juski:

no difference when you pause it?

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rsdvd:

Morning all – one suggestion – you are not comm-flagging while recording the 'live' show are you?

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jake[work]:

correct

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juski:

morning rsdvd

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rsdvd:

mornig juski

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jake[work]:

i turned comm flagging off

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rsdvd:

:-) so much for my idea

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jake[work]:

backend looks great anyways – but tnx

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jake[work]:

(in terms of CPU util)

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juski:

do recordings you schedule 'properly' play back ok?

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juski:

are the frontend & backend set to the same timezone?

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juski:

are their system times relatively close?

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jake[work]:

i haven't tried that on this install, but scheduled recordings would use the same player as the time shifted recordings, right?

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juski:

yeah they use the same player but not the same recording profile

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jake[work]:

ok

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jake[work]:

the times are within a minute

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juski:

jake[work]: also without seeing anything from mythfrontend -v playback for this problem it's hard to guage what's going on

[10:31:36]

jake[work]:

yep – doesn't seem like this problem is that common

[10:32:17]

jake[work]:

i'll try to do the '-v' and see what i get

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juski:

I need some music

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juski:

rsdvd: do you remember 'the hitman & her' ?

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juski:

got the compilation album :)

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rsdvd:

:-) that is going back a bit

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rsdvd:

wasn't that Pete Waterman?

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juski:

pete waterman & michaela strachan

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juski:

phwoar michaela :-P

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rsdvd:

that was it !

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rsdvd:

not my type :-)

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juski:

nor mine, but I had no taste back then

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rsdvd:

lol

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juski:

essential viewing way back whenever though

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juski:

hope the neighbours are awake

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juski:

or er.. they are now!

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Dagmar:

pfft. My patch still hasn't been added to SVN.

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rsdvd:

I have been getting ear-ache from my other half about this S100 :-) it is still in pieces in the office

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Neeesat25:

Hello

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juski:

lol

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juski:

mine is still in bits on a shelf here too

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juski:

the other one is 'cluttering up' the spare bedroom

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Dagmar:

Is there maybe some policy about feature additions I'm not aware of?

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rsdvd:

:-) do you know if gardengnome got any further with minimyth

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juski:

rsdvd: no idea

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rsdvd:

ok

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juski:

he had the red mist last time I saw him ;)

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Dagmar:

Crazy

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rsdvd:

right – breakfast time – see you l8r

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juski:

Dagmar: grease the wheels ;)

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Dagmar:

Maybe it's just that I've been doing it for so long, but I'm a bit baffled how people can fail to make Linux work on equipment

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Neeesat25:

I have problem when using channels from diseq switch. It seems it does not give signal to the diseq to turn to other LNB?

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Dagmar:

juski: I suppose I'll have to complete this theme, then put it up on my Comcast space and link it from the Wiki before someone will decide that maybe having right-justified button text could be a useful thing.

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Dagmar:

I don't feel like drawing anything tonight so I guess I'll go back to working my packaging todo list

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Dagmar:

Converting my mysql init script from using mysqlcheck to using myisamchk should be straightforward enough

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clever:

can mythtv read a video4linux2 device and show it onscreen?

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juski:

errrr yes

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clever:

good:)

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clever:

There are no channel sources defined, did you run the setup program?

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clever:

what would i do to fix that?

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juski:

I wonder

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clever:

the backend seems to have started still without a problem:)

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clever:

screen is blank though

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juski:

maybe reading the documentation might be a good place to start

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clever:

where would the docs wind up in a default install?

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clever:

found some under /usr/share/doc/mythtv

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clever:

all the FAQ files point to one under docs/

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clever:

which isnt at the same path after installing:P

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Dagmar:

"There are no channel sources defined, did you run the setup program?" <-- this is kind of a strong hint

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clever:

and locate wont find it since the slocate db hasnt been updated yetr

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clever:

i ran the setup prog and went thru all the settings

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Dagmar:

Then you dind't bother definining any channel sources

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clever:

under video sources?

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clever:

or channel editor

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Dagmar:

I'm not holding your hand.

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clever:

lol

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Dagmar:

This is not complex, nor is the documentation hard to find.

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clever:

ive allready managed to build a diff linux box kernel and all

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clever:

im not a n00b:P

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Dagmar:

Any moron could manage that

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clever:

lol

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Dagmar:

Scratch that, most morons could manage that, as Gentoo continually proves

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clever:

linux from scratch is documented too well:P

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clever:

lfs is like gentoo but less automated

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clever:

./configure&&make&&make install

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clever:

repeat 500 times

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clever:

every now and then insert a packege needing a patch or extra config options

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Dagmar:

clever: If you go to http://www.mythtv.org, right there on the left hand side is the word "Documentation" in blue

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clever:

ahh:)

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Dagmar:

The thing just points to a slightly old document, but it's thoroughly indexed and you should be able to go right to the appropriate section without much trouble

[11:30:35]

Dagmar:

HOWEVER

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clever:

thanks

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Dagmar:

I suggest you actually work downwards from there in the docs, skipping *nothing* or you will have more problems you can't solve.

[11:31:19]

Dagmar:

Each section, read it, and decide whether or not it applies to your setup (obviously digital cable caveats don't matter if you're using an antenna, and so forth)

[11:31:21]

clever:

yeah that can happen if you skip an important step like mythtv-setup

[11:31:40]

clever:

i can only get the composite input on my card working

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Dagmar:

Yep. If you'd started at the top of that file, you'd have gotten to the end and things would "just work"

[11:31:51]

clever:

and thats currently wired to the digital cable box

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clever:

no way to change the channel atm

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Dagmar:

You'll need lirc or firewire for that

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clever:

lirc kernel modules wont compile yet

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Dagmar:

Firewire is probably a "better" solution, although more technical arcane (but not by much)

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clever:

firewire port is on the XP box right above the mythtv one

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clever:

and i dont think the cable box has any firewire or usb inputs

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Dagmar:

clever: You're in the US?

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clever:

theres a serial though but no idea what format

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clever:

canada

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Dagmar:

Oh well

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clever:

motorola cable box

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clever:

rogers digital cable

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Dagmar:

Google around and you should be able to find info on what that serial port does

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clever:

i could even get the model # off it if you wanted:P

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Dagmar:

No thanks

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clever:

unziping the docs

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clever:

i see the HOWTO files the FAW where refering too

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clever:

FAQ*

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clever:

can it use a /dev/input/js0 joystick for control?

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cecet23:

hi

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cecet23:

i can't play cd with mp3

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juski:

funny, but mythtv doesn't play cds full of mp3s

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Dagmar:

Something to do with it being "not TV"

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juski:

so that'll be why

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Dagmar:

It doesn't poach eggs, and it does an absolutely awful job of crushing ice.

[11:36:10]

jake[work]:

finally getting somewhere – it says "couldn't find suitable xvideo surface" – yet i have "Standard" selected.

[11:36:16]

juski:

it's not too hot at mind-reading either

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Dagmar:

I dunno about that

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juski:

jake[work]: do you have proper drivers installed for your video card?

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juski:

and by video card I mean your VGA card

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Dagmar:

When I sit in front of mine I'm thinkin to myself "I'd like to watch something shallow and mindless" and it populates the program guide with just that type of show

[11:37:05]

jake[work]:

probably not

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juski:

jake[work]: bingo

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jake[work]:

it probably just has the nvidia drivers in the knoppmyth install

[11:37:50]

jake[work]:

i hope that's it :)

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Dagmar:

I guess that's a bad thing if you don't have an nVidia card.

[11:39:17]

jake[work]:

you'd think

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Changlinn:

Dagmar: I think it has the intel drivers and the OS ati drivers

[11:39:59]

Changlinn:

though I only used knoppmyth with a geforce card... so I am not sure

[11:40:03]

clever:

:D my card is a bt848

[11:40:08]

Dibblah_:

Anyone done a migration of an old out-of-tree plugin recently?

[11:40:14]

Dagmar:

Changlinn: heheh

[11:40:31]

juski:

out-of-tree as in unofficial PoS plugin?

[11:41:01]

juski:

every version of minimyth since way back has had a working copy of mythstream included

[11:41:27]

GlemSom:

I've tried using a different xml grapper for my tv-channels... I've managed to make it put all my channels into the database – but when executing mythtv-setup after every channel I see "(Unassigned)" How can I assign the channels to a source?

[11:42:57]

Dagmar:

Very sad. The "National Restaurant Association" are claiming this new KFed commercial is insulting to food service workers.

[11:43:20]

Dagmar:

Someone should remind them that food service jobs are insulting to food service workers, so the commercial is just honesty

[11:44:32]

Dibblah_:

juski: Indeed. Unmaintained 15.2 Mythrecipe :(

[11:45:08]

Dagmar:

Oh no! The poor, poor crepes

[11:45:31]

juski:

now that's a mystery. how come mythrecipe didn't make it into the official plugins?

[11:45:53]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I don't see why this needs a database app.

[11:45:55]

Dibblah_:

juski: You really don't want to know.

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clever:

i have 2 alsa devices how do i control which one mythtv uses?

[11:46:20]

Dibblah:

I would say it's because it doesn't have a maintainer, but...

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Dibblah:

Firstly, it has external deps. And it calls things like mpeg123 to play music while cooking.

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juski:

clever: audio output device settings in 'general'

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juski:

Dibblah: ah

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clever:

k:)

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juski:

mythvideo has external dependencies too

[11:47:43]

juski:

perl, for one thing

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Dagmar:

What kind of sick pervert wouldn't have perl installed, tho'.

[11:48:03]

juski:

ah but xmltv also depends on perl

[11:48:03]

clever:

alot of programs depend on perl

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clever:

:P

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clever:

one of my init.d scripts depends on make:P

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Dibblah:

And the programmer didn't seem interested in following the same style as the other plugins.

[11:48:31]

clever:

the script is a make file

[11:48:52]

clever:

when you try to start the service you wind up running the start target in the make file

[11:49:03]

Dagmar:

Kind of explains why he's got init files calling 'make', too

[11:49:19]

juski:

Dibblah: you looking to er.. port it?

[11:49:27]

clever:

i used the #! line to get make to process the file

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Dagmar:

clever: Google "clever code" sometime

[11:50:03]

clever:

didnt get any questions about audio under genereral when in mythtv-setup

[11:50:43]

juski:

clever: no, in mythfrontend

[11:50:46]

clever:

ahhh

[11:50:49]

** clever loads thart **

[11:50:57]

juski:

the backend doesn't output any audio

[11:51:09]

clever:

how do i load the frontend again?:P

[11:51:25]

clever:

dont see a script for it under init.d where i ran mythtv-backend

[11:51:47]

juski:

you *are* joking, right?

[11:51:52]

clever:

?

[11:52:00]

** clever trys running plain mythtv as that user **

[11:52:11]

Dagmar:

clever: What did I tell you about reading the documentation?

[11:52:38]

clever:

i was halfway thru it and the audio section didnt expplain how to get the card chosen

[11:53:02]

Dagmar:

So you just decided to go ahead and start twisting parts of the flamethrower to see what happens, right?

[11:53:08]

clever:

lol

[11:53:47]

juski:

this isn't funny

[11:54:04]

** clever reads more docs **

[11:54:14]

Dagmar:

I'm not just talking smack here

[11:54:14]

juski:

to hell with it

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Dagmar:

If you simply go from the top of that doc to the bottom of it, step by step, you will be watching TV at the end

[11:54:32]

juski:

next time someone asks a really dumb question they're getting kicked

[11:54:38]

Dagmar:

woowoo!

[11:54:44]

** Dagmar breaks out the pom-poms. **

[11:56:03]

juski:

so the community will be branded 'unfriendly'. the user base is already branded with "too many clueless idiots" so why not

[11:57:03]

Dibblah:

juski: No, I'm just updating it to current Myth.

[11:57:15]

Dibblah:

Which you could call ported.

[11:58:45]

juski:

eek! there was a 'mythtivo' plugin !

[12:01:05]

Dibblah:

Yup.

[12:01:16]

Dibblah:

Some serious time ago, though :)

[12:05:01]

Dibblah:

Hmmm. Well, it compiles now.

[12:05:21]

Dibblah:

Segfault on plugin start is _generally_ not a good sign, though.

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Neeesat25:

Anyone else using disqeq?

[12:11:54]

kermitthefrog918:

how can i configure mythtv to call an external command to adjust volume?

[12:12:54]

kermitthefrog918:

any help?

[12:14:02]

juski:

kermitthefrog918: easy answer: you can't

[12:15:56]

kermitthefrog918:

under general settings, theres an option to "use intenal volume controls.." shouldn't i be abl to disable that option, and then may a command to a keypress?

[12:16:48]

juski:

no you shouldn't

[12:18:53]

kermitthefrog918:

so theres no way to customize the Keys configuration to call external commands...

[12:19:04]

juski:

why would there be?

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kermitthefrog918:

im asking the opposite question... why wouldn't there be? MythTV has a rep for its customizeability, and calling external commands isn't exactly the most complicated thing to implement...

[12:22:03]

Neeesat25:

kermitthefrog918: You can have irexec to call commands

[12:22:27]

kermitthefrog918:

I'm trying to call them from a joystick

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Neeesat25:

Why not from remote?

[12:23:59]

kermitthefrog918:

Don't have one (yet(

[12:24:01]

kermitthefrog918:

)

[12:24:23]

Neeesat25:

So you want to control myth from joystick?

[12:24:26]

juski:

quote " calling external commands isn't exactly the most complicated thing to implement"

[12:24:35]

juski:

so we look forward to your patch

[12:24:36]

juski:

:)

[12:24:46]

kermitthefrog918:

juski: I was waiting for that....

[12:25:01]

kermitthefrog918:

hehe

[12:25:57]

kermitthefrog918:

the problem is that the internal volume controls in mythtv don't work with my sound card. They won't adjust the master and PCM only seems to affect the front left and right

[12:26:25]

kermitthefrog918:

so I guess the problem to solve is the mixer

[12:26:37]

kermitthefrog918:

and then map { and } to the joystick (easy to do)

[12:30:42]

Dagmar:

...and then it can be properly ignored.

[12:30:48]

kermitthefrog918:

lol

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Dibblah:

Ick. It's passing around handles to the database.

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Dagmar:

Man oh man

[12:42:05]

Dagmar:

People on this forum suggesting this girl remove the broken off tip of her headphones from her iPod's headphone jack by using super glue and another person suggesting using a small drill.

[12:42:17]

Dagmar:

This to avoid nullifying the warranty, no less.

[12:43:37]

juski:

riiiiight

[12:44:04]

Dagmar:

Yeah. I just had to respond starting with "Jesus you people scare the s**t out of me sometimes."

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sebrock:

how can I change the right for the mythtv user so I get the same rights as a normal user?

[12:48:18]

Dagmar:

You generally don't.

[12:48:25]

Dagmar:

All uids except 0 are more or less equal

[12:48:59]

sebrock:

hmm, there are a lot of menu items missing

[12:49:02]

sebrock:

and commands

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sebrock:

Imagine it wouldnt hurt?

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Dagmar:

missing from what?

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sebrock:

well from the gnome menus, nevermid that :D how can I change it?

[12:51:03]

Dagmar:

Gnome menus?

[12:51:10]

Dagmar:

You're wanting to change Gnome menus?

[12:52:02]

sebrock:

uh... no... if you have the knowledge on how I change the user rights please just tell me...

[12:52:20]

Dagmar:

Users dont' have rights.

[12:52:35]

sebrock:

privs then

[12:52:41]

Dagmar:

What you don't have is any knowledge about how unix permissions work, so I suggest you describe the actual problem instead of demanding a fix that is impossible

[12:53:22]

Dagmar:

...and if you're about to imply that I don't know Unix, think again.

[12:53:28]

Dibblah:

clever: You want to set your mixer to default

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sebrock:

omg

[12:53:53]

clever:

errors are gone but still no audio

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Dibblah:

clever: alsamixer says?

[12:55:09]

clever:

on the capture or playback?

[12:55:26]

clever:

i have linein set to capture and the capture control up at 73

[12:55:43]

sebrock:

ok, so when installing my system I used a used called "htpc", when configuring mythtv I have to be logged in as the user "mythtv". They differ in many ways; the latter is missing menus in gnome, commands are missing, and I cant even see the user in the "User and Groups" menu located in System-Administration.

[12:56:31]

sebrock:

So what I would like is to convert and/or give the mythtv user the same permissions/rights/privs as the htpc user

[12:57:20]

Dibblah:

sebrock: Easiest is just to run Myth as htpc...

[12:58:05]

sebrock:

Dibblah, ok either way is fine, what do I need to change in order to run the mythtv-setup with htpc user?

[12:58:19]

Dagmar:

Type `chown -R htpc /home/htpc`

[12:58:37]

Dagmar:

All users have the same "rights".

[12:58:52]

Dagmar:

The only difference is who owns what files.

[12:59:04]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: Not true.

[12:59:16]

Dagmar:

Root isn't a user.

[12:59:29]

Dibblah:

... You're glossing over groups.

[12:59:51]

Dagmar:

I'm baffled how you managed to get the menus in Gnome to be different between users unless you were using something that specifically modified that user's menus

[13:00:03]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: If he didn't mention groups, I'm assuming he did exactly nothing with them.

[13:00:14]

sebrock:

Dagmar, what will that command do for me?

[13:01:03]

sebrock:

Dagmar, I dont know that either, but it has to do with permissions as its the administration menu thats missing.

[13:01:16]

Dagmar:

sebrock: Actually, nothing much. alhough it's not like it would be productive to do that anyway.

[13:01:43]

Dagmar:

sebrock: Generally items are always in the adminstration menu, but there's some leeway for configuration. Whose distro are you using?

[13:01:55]

sebrock:

ubuntu

[13:01:55]

Dagmar:

...and which release of Gnome is it

[13:02:30]

Dagmar:

It *should* be the same for all the users, but what mythtv-related menu items are you referring to that are missing?

[13:02:47]

Dagmar:

The only one that seems like it would make sense to me would be 'start frontend' and maybe 'start frontend in a window'

[13:03:12]

Dagmar:

I bet this is going to boil down to another 'ubunut packages are jacked' issue

[13:03:23]

sebrock:

I guess..

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Dagmar:

BTW I am not just "some random guy" with respect to GNOME. I'm one of these people: http://www.droplinegnome.org/index.php

[13:04:26]

Dibblah:

Ooooh! One of those people!

[13:04:34]

Dibblah:

;)

[13:04:50]

sebrock:

:)

[13:04:52]

Dagmar:

Yes, I build the kerberos library, the openldap client libs, Evolution, Gimp, Inkscape, Gc, and a half dozen other things for it.

[13:05:02]

Dagmar:

I know GNOME all *too* well

[13:05:58]

Dagmar:

Menu items in GNOME don't appear or disappear based on permissions in what would be considered a straightforward way. There's a TryExec argument possible in .desktop files that can make an entry not appear if you couldn't run the binary anyway...

[13:06:17]

Dagmar:

...but for that to be kicking in, those mythtv binaries would probably have to be owned by the htpc user, which makes no sense

[13:06:37]

Dagmar:

...or at least, that would be a very bad way to install it

[13:06:39]

clever:

stat `which mythtv`

[13:06:52]

clever:

that cmd will show the perms on the binary mythtv

[13:07:41]

Dagmar:

This is why I'm asking *what* menu items are missing

[13:08:01]

clever:

yeah that would help alot

[13:08:11]

sebrock:

today I dont even get reception with tvtime

[13:08:28]

clever:

i get alot of n00bs asking me to fix something and they dont even show me the most basic error msg which helps alot:P

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clever:

im having trouble atm in mythtv trying to get audio to work

[13:09:42]

clever:

both sound cards are wired to there own set of speakers and i dont hear anything when pluging the linein into either card

[13:09:46]

sebrock:

Dagmar, I clearly stated which menus, twice

[13:10:48]

sebrock:

look, I'm really thankful for all the help a newbie like me can get but there is no way denying that often the "helpers" are sitting on a high horse...

[13:10:54]

Dagmar:

sebrock: No, you didn't. You said " its the administration menu thats missing" and "the latter is missing menus in gnome, commands are missing"

[13:11:08]

sebrock:

yes, that states it

[13:11:21]

Dagmar:

You can feel warm inside knowing that God has provided me with not one, but two buttocks, so there will never be a line waiting for kiss my ass.

[13:11:39]

clever:

lol

[13:11:40]

sebrock:

:)

[13:11:51]

Dagmar:

I can deal with confused newbies, but hostile newbies are completely on their own.

[13:12:08]

clever:

im a confused n00b at mythtv:P

[13:14:05]

sebrock:

Dagmar, hope that Im not that hostile one, as I said, Im very thankful for the pro help

[13:14:10]

Dagmar:

clever: About all I can say about your sound problem is to check all the mixers... and I hesitate to mention this but...

[13:14:23]

Dagmar:

...you DO have to have a cable going from the output on your tuner card to the line input on your sound card.

[13:14:42]

clever:

i have the output of the digital box going to the input on the card

[13:14:44]

Dagmar:

I'd recommend trying to plug your speakers directly into the tuner card and see if it's actually emitting sound.

[13:14:53]

clever:

and i have had the audio card feeding into the tv before

[13:15:07]

clever:

the tuner card isnt doing the channel tuning

[13:15:47]

Dagmar:

So you're getting video but no audio with TVTime? (didn't you say earlier you were using a brooktree card?)

[13:15:59]

clever:

checked both alsamixer -c 0 and -c 1

[13:16:11]

clever:

both are set to line in and 75% volume

[13:16:24]

clever:

im not using the audio in the brooktree card

[13:16:32]

clever:

im using its composite1 input

[13:16:41]

clever:

and feeding the audio right into an alsa based audio card

[13:17:01]

Dagmar:

Okay, so you've checked that the cable box is *for sure* emitting some actual audio, yes?

[13:17:04]

juski:

and said audio input is selected to be recorded in the linux mixer, right?

[13:17:10]

Dagmar:

It would be awful to find out the cable box has a mute feature

[13:17:18]

clever:

it was emiting sound into my tv just fine

[13:17:27]

clever:

until i pluged that cable and directed it towards the pc

[13:17:41]

clever:

and it should still be emiting audio into the linein

[13:17:45]

Dagmar:

"before" as in "some interderminate time several days ago" or "before" as in "about 10 minutes ago"?

[13:18:03]

Dagmar:

interderminate... god I need a spellchecker in my IRC client.

[13:18:09]

Dagmar:

i-n-d-t-e-r-m-i-n-a-t-e

[13:18:15]

clever:

20mins ago

[13:18:27]

juski:

I'm trying to find a distortion filter that will let me do this: http://images.apple.com/appletv/images/indextop_20070109.jpg

[13:18:41]

Dagmar:

Okay. Fair enough. It's probably safe to assume you didn't set on the remote and mute it in that amount of time

[13:18:46]

juski:

bend an image around a curve, cyclorama style

[13:18:58]

clever:

theres about a 5 second delay in the video so i want to make shure the audio goes thru the pc and gets the matching audio delay

[13:19:11]

Dagmar:

Umm... Gimp? POVRay at the worst (if you really hate yourself)

[13:19:12]

clever:

the remote controls the tv volume not the cable box volume

[13:19:22]

juski:

maybe gimp can do it

[13:19:24]

clever:

and neither is on mute

[13:19:25]

juski:

photoshop can't

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Dagmar:

It can render things onto simple shapes

[13:19:46]

** Dagmar looks **

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sebrock:

moving on

[13:22:12]

sebrock:

can't get a good picture in tvtime, I do see some shapes and "picture" on some channels, but thats it

[13:22:51]

Dagmar:

yehc.

[13:23:06]

Dagmar:

Map Object to Cylinder can *kinda* get it there but the standard plugins fall a bit short of that

[13:23:14]

Dagmar:

oh well

[13:23:17]

juski:

sebrock: so forget about mythtv for now. you need to know it works

[13:23:25]

juski:

the tuner card I mean..

[13:23:33]

sebrock:

yes

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sebrock:

Live in sweden...

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clever:

i removed the line in and lineout cables

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clever:

and wired them directly to eachother bypassing the sound card

[13:23:59]

clever:

silence....

[13:24:15]

clever:

nothing reaching the end of the cable

[13:24:38]

sebrock:

is it not strange that I get "some" reception (really lousy)

[13:24:41]

Dagmar:

So, no sound coming out of the cable box then?

[13:25:18]

sebrock:

any parameters to give tvtime?

[13:25:27]

clever:

there was sound at the cable box end of the cables

[13:25:39]

clever:

if i wire it up right at that end it should 'work'

[13:25:57]

Changlinn:

hey why would the Tv guide have nothing in it, but the program list is full

[13:26:10]

juski:

Dagmar: edit > transform > warp > bulge. duh

[13:26:17]

clever:

yep works

[13:26:24]

Changlinn:

I tried scheduling a record but it failed, I'd say that is why

[13:26:26]

clever:

but not the audio wont go away when i close watch tv

[13:26:42]

clever:

and i think it has a 5 sec delay because of the video capture/playback

[13:26:53]

clever:

and the audio is bypassing the whole pc

[13:27:20]

clever:

cable box is putting audio out fine just seems the cables from it arent working

[13:27:26]

Dagmar:

juski: Are you using the 2.3 branch of Gimp or something?

[13:30:10]

Dagmar:

clever: Well, at least new cables will be cheap. You got a multimeter you can poke at them with maybe?

[13:31:52]

Changlinn:

is it cause the xmltvid's aren't linked to the channel names or something?

[13:32:10]

Changlinn:

I am re-running mythtv setup, where do I fix it?

[13:35:42]

juski:

Dagmar: photoshoppe ;)

[13:36:00]

juski:

I'm going to *way* too much trouble for the 'watch recordings' icon

[13:36:18]

Dagmar:

Ahhh

[13:36:38]

Dagmar:

I was over here saying to myself "That is soooo not the way Gimp's menus are laid out..."

[13:42:39]

juski:

heh

[13:42:45]

juski:

www.juski.co.uk/bendy.png

[13:43:25]

juski:

whoah way too big

[13:43:33]

Dagmar:

One of those images should be a relatively innocuous image from a porno, to see who calls you out on it

[13:43:45]

Dagmar:

That's a little large for an icon, yes. ;)

[13:44:39]

clever:

Dagmar: by enabling both linein's and playing with the cable i got a sound

[13:44:43]

clever:

replacing the cables now

[13:46:13]

Dagmar:

yay

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Dagmar:

So, Ali G is a chav then.

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Changlinn:

anyone?

[13:48:25]

Dagmar:

No, just Ali G.

[13:49:46]

clever:

got audio when linein is unmuted in playback

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clever:

should work now

[13:49:57]

juski:

www.juski.co.uk/tv.png

[13:51:30]

clever:

how do i change what the 'default' device is for 1 user in alsa?

[13:51:51]

juski:

go ask in #alsa & see what happens

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juski:

either should work I think

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juski:

try em out

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juski:

and now in context... http://www.juski.co.uk/comingsoon.png

[14:14:51]

Dagmar:

Hmm... Turntables

[14:16:09]

juski:

refresh :)

[14:16:58]

Dagmar:

Uhhh... hehe. Is it not supposed to be a turntable in the image?

[14:17:04]

juski:

I'd love not to have to do watermarks but what else do you do with the space?

[14:17:13]

juski:

nope

[14:17:16]

juski:

not anymore

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GreyFoxx:

juski: I like the wrap around "gallery" ..... That would be a neat effect in the mythvideo gallery. Have the gallery view wrapped arond in the back with the highlighted displayed normally size and aspect in the foreground

[14:17:28]

Dagmar:

Shift-reload is still showing me a watermark of a turntable

[14:17:40]

Dagmar:

...and you can always use a blank png 1x1 in size you know

[14:18:09]

juski:

Dagmar: yeah but look at all the screen space it'd leave

[14:18:19]

Dagmar:

56 point fonts.

[14:18:34]

juski:

GreyFoxx: see apple's itv thing for a nice perspective gallery view

[14:18:54]

Dagmar:

juski: Well, you've seen what I'm doing with the watermarks.

[14:19:09]

Dagmar:

I'm still going back through and adding actual graphics tho

[14:19:21]

juski:

I don't like rows & columns of buttons

[14:20:18]

juski:

GreyFoxx: to do that effect you'd need to render each gallery tile to a plane, then bend the plane (!)

[14:20:34]

Dagmar:

...which is a bit more OpenGL than I think we have at the moment.

[14:20:42]

Dagmar:

Perhaps someone could tap Rasterman on the shoulder...

[14:21:00]

juski:

or macslow

[14:21:05]

Dagmar:

He seems to have the "graphical excess" thing down pat

[14:21:30]

juski:

and then some

[14:21:50]

Dagmar:

Get those guys togther and recording thumbnails are liable to be able to fold up into origami animals which will then *fight* for who gets deleted first.

[14:22:02]

juski:

lol

[14:23:10]

juski:

right I need to check this little lot in

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clever:

2007-02–03 08:27:16.293 NVR: Error, unknown audio codec

[14:26:24]

clever:

the video source is set to /dev/dsp1

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juski:

somebody didn't install liblame, perhaps?

[14:28:07]

clever:

its on the watchtv mode

[14:28:14]

clever:

liblame0 is already the newest version.

[14:28:19]

clever:

and its allready installed:P

[14:33:22]

clever:

seems /dev/dsp1 works for the card i need

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clever:

trying to move everything back out of alsa now

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sebrock:

yay I got picture

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sebrock:

no sound tho

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Dagmar:

OMG I feel stupid

[14:53:31]

Dagmar:

http://www.ps2fliptop.net/how_to_make_your_own_gamebit_scr.htm

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Dagmar:

Why did I not think of doing this to begin with. *sigh*

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clever:

sebrock: same problem here

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sebrock:

I was expecting that

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[shodan]:

is there a icommap.xml for bell expressvu users ? I tried following the instructions at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Channel_icons but very few channels have icons now : (maybe 1/10 of them)

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sebrock:

damn now sound is all I need

[15:07:48]

clever:

same here

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clever:

sound only works on the card i dont want it on

[15:11:05]

sebrock:

Hmmm... finally

[15:11:21]

sebrock:

err...

[15:11:36]

sebrock:

Why is frontend saying it cant connect to backend?

[15:11:47]

sebrock:

using localhost as adress

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clever:

is the backend running?

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sebrock:

yes

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clever:

no idea then:P

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sebrock:

anyone?

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sebrock:

PID TTY TIME CMD

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sebrock:

4414 ? 00:00:00 mythbackend

[15:16:17]

sebrock:

how do I do a portscan?

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clever:

nmap if its installed

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sebrock:

it's not

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clever:

ubuntu?

[15:17:48]

sebrock:

yes

[15:17:56]

clever:

sudo apt-get install nmap

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sebrock:

already doing it :d

[15:18:32]

clever:

:P

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sebrock:

hmm, cant see that the port is even open

[15:20:17]

juski:

sebrock: point a web browser at localhost:6544

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sebrock:

no connect

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juski:

so it's not running then

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juski:

sebrock: sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop

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sebrock:

PID TTY TIME CMD

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sebrock:

4414 ? 00:00:00 mythbackend

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sebrock:

??

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juski:

then run mythbackend in a terminal

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sebrock:

is is running?

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juski:

sebrock: are you paying attention?

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sebrock:

ys

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sebrock:

got a question here from backend

[15:23:20]

sebrock:

its complaining about my tvcard

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juski:

bingo

[15:23:35]

sebrock:

Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video

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sebrock:

sources to your card's inputs?

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juski:

why oh why oh why oh why do folks choose ubunut?

[15:24:15]

sebrock:

juski, you recommended it to me :D

[15:24:39]

juski:

er.. I've not recommended anyone use ubuntu for a while now

[15:24:54]

sebrock:

I think you did, check your logs :D

[15:24:55]

juski:

I might've said go ahead & try it, but that wouldn't have been a recommendation

[15:25:01]

clever:

ive got video input/playback working fine on ubuntu

[15:25:10]

clever:

audio is the problem

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sebrock:

well, anyway what should I do?

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juski:

sebrock: well, with mythbackend stopped, run mythtv-setup & check everything

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sebrock:

k

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Dibblah:

Does ubuntu ship with OSS compatibility off or something insane like that?

[15:26:31]

waldo:

Dibblah: ubuntu uses alsa by default, i think.

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clever:

and 2 real audio 'cards'

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clever:

id use hexdump on it:P

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Dibblah:

Awww.

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clever:

dont want to damage the term emulator

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sebrock:

ehm cant stop the service because its not running but it is...

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Freman:

heyas, is there any plans that anyone knows of to improve the remote control interface?

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juski:

eh?

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Freman:

either the telnet one, or the real ir one...

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juski:

Freman: wtf are you talking about.. improving?

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juski:

what's there to improve?

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Freman:

well, it's just that at the moment if you define a key for one location, it's global – the remote does that no matter what's displayed

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Freman:

I'd love to be able to define key behaviour for different scenarios

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Freman:

(remote keys)

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juski:

we look forward to seeing your patches

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Freman:

or the telnet interface, it's just a little vague...

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juski:

get outta here

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juski:

the users.. they're just a little too fucking WHINY

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** Freman laughs **

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juski:

can we upgrade them?

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Freman:

I wasn't whining, was asking a question, then supplying supporting ideas

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juski:

ideas are no use without code

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juski:

so what you're proposing is to make controlling mythtv even more complex by assigning many different functions to any number of buttons

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juski:

have you tried the mythcontrols plugin by the way?

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clever:

FINALY

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Freman:

well essentially all I'm considering is an extra line in each lircrc block "area = playback" or something...

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Freman:

nope, didn't know it eisted

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** Freman goes to look it up **

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juski:

lirc is more than complex enough for some people as it is without muddying the waters even more

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Freman:

I've been using mythweb to change bindings

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juski:

what I think should happen is that more functions should be consolodated – e.g. volume control in mythmusic should use the same keys as the main mythtv player & so on

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Freman:

yes, that would be a very good place to start

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juski:

so 'play' is 'play' everywhere etc

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juski:

if that was what you were trying to get at I agree

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juski:

you know if you consult the lirc docs you'll find that it's possible to make a button do more than one thing & cycle through each type – like toggles but more complex

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sebrock:

juski, mythtv-setup finds my card but cant open it?

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juski:

sebrock: permissions problem

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juski:

you've totally screwed it up haven't you?

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livingtm:

Im having trouble getting lirc running. anyone have experience with that?

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livingtm:

When i start lircd it tells me it could load the module. When i modprobe the module it tells me Device or resource busy

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sebrock:

I guess, thats why I wanted to change permissions, Dagmar said I was stupid

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livingtm:

er, it could NOT load the module

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Dagmar:

You've built the wrong module or you've given it the wrong settings.

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livingtm:

Dagmar, so if the serial irq or address wasnt right it might fail?

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Dagmar:

Absolutely.

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sebrock:

see dagmar, I knew it was permissions stuff

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livingtm:

excellent thanks :-)

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Dagmar:

It will also fail, if like most people, you have setserial being run in an init script to initialize the port with the serial handler.

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sebrock:

Mythtv recognizes the card but cant open it

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Freman:

on a side thought... I wonder if a remote designed for mythtv would do well – I could do something a bout that

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Dagmar:

You probably just need to run setserial again and tell it to *let go* of the serial port so lirc can grab it

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livingtm:

Dagmar, yeah i just went to the bios, and the address and irq were right

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Dagmar:

Okay, so you only have one serial port on that machine then? That makes things simple. :)

[15:42:35]

livingtm:

what does setserial do? (whats it supposed to do?)

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Dagmar:

In the init script where you're starting lircd, add this:

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livingtm:

i have two, but i know both addy and irq

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Dagmar:

/sbin/setserial /dev/$YER_SERIAL_PORT uart none

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Dagmar:

That makes the kernel's serial communications driver "let go" of that particular serial port so that lirc can grab it

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livingtm:

ok ill try that when it boots back up

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livingtm:

whats the /dev/$SerialPort look like for COM2

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sebrock:

Dagmar, any thoughts on that?

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livingtm:

stty2 or something

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livingtm:

Dagmar, is it just /dev/tty2?

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livingtm:

i havent dealt with serial ports in linux at all yet

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Dagmar:

There's other device names that they can be accessed by, but these are the "correct" names for the particular purpose we're using them for with lirc

[15:47:13]

livingtm:

sorry, i got those last 3 messages consecutively (after i asked th questions :-) )

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Dagmar:

clever: because it's a symlink to /dev/dsp1 probably

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clever:

dsp and dsp1 are seperate devices

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clever:

pointing to diff audio cards

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livingtm:

Dagmar, "setserial: command not found"

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Dagmar:

livingtm: S'okay. Comcast is buggering my connection at the moment so I keep getting *nearly* disconnected from thie ssh session

[15:48:00]

sebrock:

crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2007-02–03 13:12 video0

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sebrock:

is that the reason why it cant open the card?

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Dagmar:

livingtm: Try `which setserial`

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livingtm:

nothing

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Dagmar:

FREAKISH

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clever:

i swaped the minor device numbers to force it into using 14,19

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livingtm:

If its not there, it shouldb e screwing with me?!?!?

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livingtm:

shouldnt be.. man my typing is terrible :-)

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Dagmar:

Oh dude dont screw around with device numbers

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Dagmar:

That is asking for a mess to happen

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clever:

it works perfectly once i swap the 2 devices

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livingtm:

should i install setserial? If its not that its probably not causing my trouble is it?

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Dagmar:

livingtm: You should install setserial if you're setting the options to the lirc module correctly. You kinda need to undo something the kernel does automatically

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Dagmar:

clever: The unnumbered device is considered the default, afaik.

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livingtm:

Dagmar, Oh, i figured setserial would have had to cause th eproblem in the first place.

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clever:

i set the audiodevice for the capture card to /dev/dsp1

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clever:

but it still opens dsp

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Dagmar:

clever: Did you _restart_ the backend?

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** clever resets it:P **

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Dagmar:

BTW, don't go poking at the DB manually either. Use mythtv-setup if at all possible

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clever:

i was reading the db

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clever:

to make give exact details

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Dagmar:

It'll give the exact details that should be considered "user-serviceable" in mythtv-setup or the frontend

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livingtm:

Dagmar, Okay, setserial worked, I restarted lircd and it gave me the same error. however i successfully modprobed the module by hand

[15:52:46]

Dagmar:

If you go poking around and modifying the DB directly you actually risk setting something screwed up that neither thing will fix

[15:53:02]

clever:

giving the exact value of a mysql column seems more exact then which menus i proded in

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livingtm:

got it. HaH. a typo in the config file.. my bad. now lirc starts ok. THANKS!!!!

[15:53:17]

clever:

no guesswork of what setting that menu option edited

[15:53:17]

Dagmar:

livingtm: Okay, lirc'd problem is probably related to the psuedo-devices the lirc module creates

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clever:

backend is using dsp1 now

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clever:

and because of the minor device number swap thats now the wrong device

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** clever repairs **

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Dagmar:

o.O

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livingtm:

Dagmar, hm, but the remove doesnt work with irw

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Dagmar:

remove who what?

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livingtm:

Dagmar, Hm, the trasmitter is working, but the reciever doesnt seem to receive anything

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Dagmar:

Uh huh

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Dagmar:

Suuuure

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Dagmar:

How are you invoking the program to test this?

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livingtm:

"irw"

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Dagmar:

Have you _looked at the man page_ for it?

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Dagmar:

You can't just run it with no arguments.

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livingtm:

I tested the transmitter by poiinting it at a video camera (you can see the IR blip)

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livingtm:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Edgy <- does show any arguements

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clever:

how large can the ringbuf get before it loops back to the start?

[16:10:43]

Dagmar:

livingtm: Well, no one ever said they weren't morons.

[16:10:54]

livingtm:

man irw "if you dont give it an arguement it will watch /dev/lircd"

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livingtm:

:-)

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Dagmar:

argh wait I'm getting it mixed up with ircat, again

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livingtm:

No morons here :-)

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livingtm:

hehe j/k

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Dagmar:

Here's an idea... DId you pass the thing the softcarrier option?

[16:11:45]

livingtm:

nope

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livingtm:

dont know what that is

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Dagmar:

Stick "options lirc_serial softcarrier=1" into your /etc/modules.conf or modprobe.conf

[16:12:12]

livingtm:

when i build the modules i selected not to do that carrier in software (default)

[16:12:24]

sebrock:

clever how is it going with the sound?

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Dagmar:

You might well need it. Generally you don't get diddle out of them if you needed it and aren't specifying

[16:12:45]

clever:

i had to restart the bandend to get it to notice the change to dsp1

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Dagmar:

if you're using a 2.6.x kernel you put that in /etc/modprobe.conf

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clever:

once i restarted it and undid all the messing arround it works perectly

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Dagmar:

Run depmod, and then you can unload and reload the module and it should work

[16:13:25]

clever:

its all using dsp1 properly now

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Dagmar:

If it doesn't modprobe the module with debug=1

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clever:

lol i was 3mins behind

[16:14:02]

clever:

so i was able to easyly ff thru the comercial:P

[16:15:00]

clever:

and since mythtv is finaly using the audio itself the audio is in what looks like perfect sync

[16:15:28]

livingtm:

modprobe.conf didnt exists, so i created it

[16:15:34]

livingtm:

and it didnt seem to make a difference

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livingtm:

hm

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sebrock:

clever, got it working now?

[16:16:12]

clever:

its working fine

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livingtm:

i modprobed with debug=1, havent seen any difference

[16:16:20]

clever:

but the ring buffer has allready eaten 1gig

[16:16:23]

clever:

only 4gig left

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sebrock:

tell me how you did ot

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sebrock:

*it

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clever:

i had a problem with 2 sound cards and getting it to use the right card

[16:16:48]

sebrock:

same here

[16:16:59]

sebrock:

the right one is choosen by ubuntu

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sebrock:

both of them

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clever:

k:)

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sebrock:

:)

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clever:

under the capture device in mythtv-setup

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sebrock:

yes

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clever:

set it to use the audio device /dev/dsp1

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sebrock:

ok

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clever:

then under general in mythfrontend set that also to dsp1

[16:18:18]

clever:

and make shure to restart the backend and frontend

[16:18:24]

sebrock:

well, heh, first I need it working in tvtime :d

[16:18:50]

clever:

once thats all done it should use the 2nd sound card for audio in/out

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clever:

dsp is the 1st card

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clever:

dsp1 is the 2nd card

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sebrock:

ok

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sebrock:

is this possible to change in tvtime also?

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clever:

no idea what tvtime is:P

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sebrock:

k

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clever:

but when i choose the watch tv option in mythtv its using dsp1

[16:20:39]

sebrock:

I have the problem that mythsetuo cant open my card

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sebrock:

so no video yet :d

[16:20:53]

sebrock:

works in tvtime tho

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clever:

my card worked fine from the start

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clever:

and allready worked in several other programs

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clever:

only input that ever worked was composite1

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clever:

cable tuner has never worked in any prog so i havent tryed it in mythtv

[16:22:17]

clever:

bt848 tv input card

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sebrock:

I got picture no sound

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sebrock:

in tvtime, I figure I fix that first

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Dagmar:

i.e., "lamegrabber"

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sebrock:

yes, I will test it with blackbird later on

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sebrock:

Dagmar, do you have any input on this?

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clever:

exiting and reentering the watchtv seems to fix my overflowing ring buffer

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sebrock:

have to eat

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Dagmar:

You probably need some caulk

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livingtm:

Dagmar, any more tricks i can try/

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Dagmar:

To do what?

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livingtm:

get that pesky serial remote working :-)

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Dagmar:

did you try softcarrier?

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livingtm:

yeah no dice

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livingtm:

i was hoping i would at least get some garbage :-)

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Dagmar:

Do a /cat/lirc

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Dagmar:

Then push some remote buttons

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livingtm:

cat /dev/lirc?

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Dagmar:

You will get garbage unless you've plugged the dongle into the wrong serial port, or you made your own dongle and screwed it up

[16:36:09]

Dagmar:

er cat /dev/lirc, yes

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livingtm:

no suck directory

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livingtm:

such

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Dagmar:

Then you better cross your fingers and hope /dev/lirc0 exists

[16:36:54]

Dagmar:

If it doesn't that could explain quite a bit

[16:37:02]

Milosch:

i.e. no driver

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livingtm:

yes it does

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Dagmar:

Okay, so cat that device then

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livingtm:

nothing

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livingtm:

nothing at all from /dev/lirc0

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Dagmar:

Okay, so either your driver is fried or your dongle is

[16:38:39]

Dagmar:

Since drivers are somewhat hard to break...

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livingtm:

wierd though. It worked in windows a while back

[16:39:08]

livingtm:

its been sitting in a box ever since

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livingtm:

maybe ill boot into windows and try it

[16:39:25]

Dagmar:

Umm...

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livingtm:

Yuck

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Dagmar:

You're aware that you can't just grab something that plugs into a serial port and has an IR reciver and use it, right?

[16:40:14]

Dagmar:

There's many different ways the things can be wired, and I've seen several that as they are shipped, aren't going to work with lirc

[16:40:20]

livingtm:

well, the driver was listed on the irc site

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livingtm:

lirc site

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livingtm:

its a pinnacle pctv

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Dagmar:

man you pick some real winners

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livingtm:

yea thanks.

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livingtm:

I've had it for 4 or 5 years

[16:44:11]

livingtm:

and since i dont own another one at this point, i figured i would give it a shot

[16:45:18]

Dagmar:

All I can really say is to go back and double-check everything'

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livingtm:

i think ill try it in windows just to see if the hardware is still good

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ibad:

i need help making mythtv pick up from composite input

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ibad:

hello?

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ibad:

i need help makign mythtv pick up from composite input

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rsdvd:

you just said that!

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rsdvd:

why don;t you ask a question – and maybe someonw knows the answer

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ibad:

can someone help me oout with that?

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Dagmar:

If you can't ask the question, we can only refer you to 1-800-MRS-CLEO for support

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ibad:

how do i make mythtv pick up from a coposite input?

[16:57:17]

Dagmar:

By using mythtv-setup

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ibad:

its not doing that

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ibad:

it doesnt show the option of composite..where exactly should i go?

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ibad:

can u please guide me step by step?

[16:58:10]

Dagmar:

No.

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rsdvd:

lol

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rsdvd:

rtfm

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Dagmar:

If your tuner card driver is set up correctly, then it should be telling MythTV that it has a composite input option.

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Dagmar:

...which would mean it would show up in the list of possible inputs in mythtv-setup.

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Dagmar:

You telling me you want someone to tell you exactly where to go tells me that you just lied about it not showing up where it's supposed to be.

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ibad:

i have tried running stetup and it shows all other possiblilties, not composite

[17:00:22]

Dagmar:

You have what type of tuner card?

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rsdvd:

ibad : then maybe your card does not have a composite in

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ibad:

its an MSI tv@nywhere

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ibad:

it does

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tha_toadman:

hey all – quick question...unfortunately i have a 16mb diskonmodule...this machine has linux already on it (although I'm not sure what distro it is), what could i install to 16mb of disk? :-/

[17:02:28]

ibad:

my card is workign fine, ive made tvtime work, it works perfectly

[17:02:47]

ibad:

what should i do to make mythtv pick up from composite?

[17:03:20]

Dagmar:

Take a look at what the drivers say in the syslog when the module loads

[17:03:24]

rsdvd:

tha_toadman : are you really asking what distro will fit in 16Mb ?

[17:03:33]

clever:

ibad: i had to set that as default under mythtv-setup under the capture area

[17:03:36]

Dagmar:

tha_toadman: HAHHAHAHAHA

[17:03:41]

tha_toadman:

rsdvd: it already has a distro on it

[17:03:53]

tha_toadman:

i just want a command line – that's it

[17:04:01]

Dagmar:

tha_toadman: So, ah... how much space is free on this thing? hehe

[17:04:08]

tha_toadman:

i know, i know, it's ghetto

[17:04:17]

clever:

Dagmar: i have a 1gig server with 7mb free

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Dagmar:

...and why are you asking in here about this?

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clever:

my mythtv ate a whole gig just by watching tv for half an hour

[17:04:42]

clever:

lucky i had 5gig free

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rsdvd:

tha_toadman : if it already has a linux distro on it – then you will have a command line – it is called a shell

[17:05:12]

ibad:

im not good with linux, could you please guide mehow to see wat the drivers are saying

[17:05:18]

tha_toadman:

the boot screen said 'linux router project'

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rsdvd:

lol....then it is a router!

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tha_toadman:

and i don't know the login to the machine

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tha_toadman:

i know that – i'm trying to erase the darn thing

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rsdvd:

that machine is it?

[17:06:20]

Dagmar:

tha_toadman: I suggest you Google for "Linux Router Project" and find out how to redo their image or what their admin password is.

[17:06:31]

livingtm:

Dagmar, Well, it works with their drivers in windows.. I have a device on the serial line that shows the Tx and Rx activity. It only works when their remote software is running

[17:06:31]

tha_toadman:

it's a pc – not powerful – but it is a pc

[17:06:35]

Dagmar:

tha_toadman: 16Mb is MUCH too small for anyone who doesn't already know how to do it to just stick Linux on

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clever:

Dagmar: do you know how large the ring buffer in mythtv can get?

[17:07:12]

tha_toadman:

dagmar: i've already gathered that but i figured some linux distro with command line only might work

[17:07:16]

Dagmar:

livingtm: So arguing with me about it isn't going to get you much of anywhere. Go back to the lirc source and recompile the driver, paying very special attention to what you're telling setup.sh this time

[17:07:25]

Dagmar:

tha_toadman: Oh hell no.

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rsdvd:

tha_toadman : a 16mb DoM can be used to etherboot or similar – but not to run a linux system (well not mythtv anyway)

[17:07:46]

tha_toadman:

then i'm off to ebay

[17:07:49]

Dagmar:

tha_toadman: Not even Damn Small Linux is likely to work on there, because unless I miss my guess, that's probably a RISC chip, right?

[17:07:54]

livingtm:

Dagmar, not arguing man, just thought that might be a bit more info for troubleshooting. thanks for your help

[17:08:11]

tha_toadman:

dagmar – no, its pentium mmx – 233

[17:08:20]

ibad:

can someone please help me out with them, i dont know linux too well and i need to make mythtv pick up from my composite input!

[17:08:21]

Dagmar:

tha_toadman: Getting "your own" Linux on that is going to be a lot like stuffing 45 college students into one VW beetle without using a blender.

[17:08:32]

rsdvd:

lol

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tha_toadman:

lol

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ibad:

i realize im being a pain but its very important...coul someone guide me step by step

[17:08:44]

clever:

Dagmar: linuxfromscrach is able to get a 5mb install with a working apache

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clever:

5mb total

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tha_toadman:

wow

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clever:

yeah

[17:09:10]

tha_toadman:

now that is what i'd be looking for

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Dagmar:

livingtm: Much of lirc is just going through it very carefully and looking for anything that stands out as not quite right, and making liberal use of the debug= kernel module parameter

[17:09:20]

clever:

www.linuxfromscratch.org

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rsdvd:

yeah – and the linux router project is a fully fincitning linux distro – but only set to do iptables etc

[17:09:36]

tha_toadman:

thank you! clever!

[17:09:46]

Dagmar:

clever: I don't consider a webserver with no way to get into it and no syslog daemon to be much of a webserver

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livingtm:

Dagmar, okay thanks.

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clever:

Dagmar: it would only be a few more mb to install some remote admin setup

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Dagmar:

I've got this bastardly ActionTec DSL router here with a 16Mb flash disk on it, and it is thoroughly unpleasant to work with

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rsdvd:

ooops – did we upset ibad

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clever:

im trying to get my mythtv to stop skiping atm

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Dagmar:

...and most of the files are punted into it over tftp

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livingtm:

Dagmar, interesting.. im looking at a Tutorial on the web someone put together.. they set MODULES=No, and DEVICE="/dev/ttyS0"

[17:11:09]

Dagmar:

livingtm: Without context, those are kind of meaningless

[17:11:31]

livingtm:

Dagmar, well, what stood out to me was that they didnt use a module (like lirc_serial)

[17:11:45]

Dagmar:

I mean, it's clear that device is com1 (0x3f8) but MODULES=No can't possibly mean what it would probably mean

[17:11:54]

Dagmar:

You can't go building that into the kernel. In that way lies pain and madness.

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Dagmar:

There's nothing quite like rebuilding the entire kernel and rebooting to try something new to drive you mad.

[17:12:25]

livingtm:

hehe i would agree

[17:13:04]

Dagmar:

I would go turn debug=1 on for both lirc_dev and lirc_serial

[17:13:27]

Dagmar:

It will make them very, VERY chatty in syslog, so you will certainly want to remember to disable that later, but it can help

[17:14:22]

Dagmar:

clever: As to this "skipping"... you're using a framegrabber card and what type of CPU?

[17:14:43]

livingtm:

How do I un-do what we did with setserial?

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clever:

1.6ghz cpu

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clever:

i think its the mysql server to blame

[17:15:08]

Dagmar:

setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart 16550a

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clever:

runs giant querys every 5mins

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livingtm:

ok thx

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Dagmar:

clever: Ahhh... You might want to do a little something to get that sucker running as non-root

[17:15:29]

clever:

mysql is eating 20% of the cpu atm

[17:15:43]

clever:

dont think any of the cpu suckers are root

[17:15:47]

Dagmar:

livingtm: I can assure you that that will not be the right direction to go in

[17:15:53]

clever:

myth is all under the mythtv user

[17:16:15]

clever:

myth is over on :0.1 and this irc window is at :0.0 atm

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Dagmar:

clever: You might want to let the backend run as root so it can maybe have higher priority

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clever:

i reniced the back and front end

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clever:

to a slightly lower prio:P

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Dagmar:

lower priority?

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Dagmar:

Mistake.

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clever:

so they dont get in the way of the more important services

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** clever renices the other way **

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Dagmar:

The frontend doens't matter much except for playback but if you're dropping frames in the encoded material, your backend needs more power

[17:17:36]

Dagmar:

You want the backend to be as not-nice, and as CPU-selfish as it needs to be to get the job done without dropping frames

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clever:

24998: old priority 5, new priority -5

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Dagmar:

That will hopefully sort it

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clever:

seems to have steadyed out mostly

[17:18:05]

clever:

still alot of io wait cpu

[17:18:16]

Dagmar:

Things like this are one of the reasons you see us say "please buy a hauppauge pvr card"

[17:18:27]

clever:

its a bt848 card

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Dagmar:

Yes. It's a framegrabber alright.

[17:18:53]

clever:

alot of io wait on the cpu

[17:19:17]

clever:

cronjob on another box runs every 5mins and does giant querys

[17:19:21]

clever:

this is the mysql server for it

[17:19:30]

Dagmar:

There's another mistake

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clever:

:P

[17:19:57]

Dagmar:

If you are doing framegrabbing, you are basically running a race the whole time.

[17:20:07]

clever:

need to make everything use the cpu less and do the same work

[17:20:08]

Dagmar:

The race is whether or not the encoder can keep up with the incoming frames.

[17:20:15]

Dagmar:

If you LOSE, you DROP FRAMES.

[17:20:31]

clever:

the frontend is pausing alot

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Dagmar:

This is why Hauppauge PVR cards are so nice. They don't use the CPU.

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clever:

when i set this card to overlay mode

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clever:

it uses 0% cpu

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clever:

feeding the video directly to the card somehow

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Dagmar:

I don't think you understand how that card works or this wouldn't suprise you

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Dagmar:

That's exactly what it's doing when you're doing that

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clever:

only 1 program so far can use the device in that overlay mode

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Dagmar:

It's writing (as directly as possible) to video memory

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clever:

xawtv

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clever:

that program can play the input card at 0% cpu

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Dagmar:

You won't be doing framegrabbing (successfully) in that mode

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clever:

mythtv is encoding to a ring file then playing several seconds behind it

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clever:

causing somewhat massive ammounts of disc activity

[17:22:30]

Dagmar:

Yes. MythTV never plays anything live.

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gbee:

and never will

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gbee:

ever

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clever:

also how do i control the max size for the ring buffer?

[17:22:54]

clever:

dont want it to eat 6gig up on me

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Dagmar:

I'm beginning to wonder just how many warnings you ignored in the docs.

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gbee:

it's not a ring buffer, so you can't

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clever:

ringbuf1.nuv

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clever:

why does it say ring then?

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gbee:

which version are you running?

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Dagmar:

Because no one's bothered to change the name.

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clever:

lol

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Dibblah:

If it's ringbuf1.nuv, it's pre 0.18, AFAIK.

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gbee:

before 0.18 it was a ringbuffer, but it's not anymore

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clever:

it clears itself up when i exit though then i can just reopen it:)

[17:24:18]

gbee:

or was it 0.19? I can never remember

[17:24:19]

Dagmar:

Yet another ill-advised design decision. "Yes, lets use the oldest version of the code we can find!"

[17:24:27]

clever:

how do i check the version?:P

[17:24:31]

Dagmar:

I thought it was gotten rid of after 0.19

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gbee:

mythbackend --version

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clever:

i was trying mythtv -v

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Dagmar:

Either way, there should be no ringbuffer now

[17:25:04]

clever:

Session management error: Could not open network socket

[17:25:04]

clever:

0.18.1.20050510–1

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clever:

i didnt pick a version i just did sudo apt-get install mythtv

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clever:

ubuntu also seems to have a bad habbit of using year old versions in its binary packages:P

[17:26:03]

Dagmar:

YAY UBUNTU

[17:26:06]

clever:

my gpsd i got last week was 18 weeks old

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gbee:

0.20-fixes is being packaged by all major (and several minor) distributions, you should update the package source

[17:26:21]

Dagmar:

THat kind of completes the Gallery Of Despair right there

[17:26:35]

clever:

lol

[17:26:48]

Dagmar:

Shoot it. Download something else.

[17:26:48]

gbee:

0.18.1 is, as that version string suggests 14 months old

[17:26:53]

clever:

how would i see what program is causing io wait?

[17:27:04]

Dagmar:

clever: You don't. You download something newer with less suckage.

[17:27:10]

gbee:

err, 16 months even

[17:27:23]

clever:

this was ruuing perfectly fine when i actualy had some idle time on the cpu

[17:27:23]

Dagmar:

You are wasting both your time and ours doing anything with that particular version of MythTV.

[17:27:47]

clever:

34% cpu mysqld:S

[17:28:09]

clever:

updating more databases:P

[17:28:15]

** clever changes to every 10misn **

[17:28:32]

clever:

wait its set to 4:S that might explain it

[17:28:33]

Dagmar:

You've probably only got 128Mb or RAM on there or somesuch as well

[17:28:41]

Dagmar:

Running 5400RPM disks.

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Dagmar:

...using dma33

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clever:

total used free shared buffers cached

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clever:

512mb ram

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clever:

io wait gone

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Dagmar:

Yeah and that mysql "giant query" is sucking down all the rest

[17:29:43]

clever:

seems to run perfectly fine now

[17:29:59]

Dagmar:

Remember you said that

[17:30:05]

Dagmar:

I'll be pasting it back to you tomorrow night.

[17:30:13]

clever:

:P

[17:30:28]

clever:

i have log files everywhere

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clever:

i can tell you what was going on 2 years ago in a channel if i was there

[17:31:19]

Dagmar:

I'll tell you the same thing I told a housemate of mine who'd collected ten CDs of HPAV files.

[17:31:26]

Dagmar:

"So why can't you get that virus off your machine?"

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clever:

lol

[17:31:51]

clever:

he probly archived the virus and restored it later:P

[17:32:13]

Dagmar:

No, it's that information which is not used, is useless.

[17:32:29]

clever:

the "giant query" is inserting 2224 rows of data into a table at once

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Dagmar:

lols

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Dagmar:

disk writes no less!

[17:32:51]

clever:

theres currently 2,142,972 rows in that table

[17:33:02]

Dagmar:

...and you were wondering about your io wait?

[17:33:04]

clever:

once its done inserting it deletes any with a timestamp over a week old

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sebrock:

dagmar

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clever:

which keeps the size under control

[17:33:26]

clever:

i know its causing io wait

[17:33:40]

clever:

i just need to get a less cpu intensive design to the program

[17:33:53]

Dagmar:

You need to move it *off your encoding machine*

[17:34:08]

clever:

the encoding machine was originaly made to be the mysql server:P

[17:34:16]

clever:

i stuck the tvin card into it to play with it on linux

[17:34:40]

clever:

no xp drivers for it and it was just sitting there not being used

[17:36:17]

clever:

reniced the backend to -10

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clever:

io flood has hit and it still seems fine

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** clever changes the swappiness to see if more usage and less cache helps any **

[17:40:04]

clever:

you know that tiny window that pops up saying how far behind i am and stuff when i pause it?

[17:41:11]

Dagmar:

It just has a little picture of a man pointing, doubled-over with laughter?

[17:41:31]

clever:

lol

[17:41:51]

clever:

how would i get it to come up on demand without pausing/seeking so i can moniter it a bit closer?

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livingtm:

Dagmar, Hey i tried this and it actually worked. KickAss http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221299

[17:43:48]

livingtm:

Dagmar, thanks for all of your help. i really do appreciate it. it was driving me nuts

[17:45:20]

Dagmar:

So where did things go wrong?

[17:45:32]

Dagmar:

Oooooh using the pinsys driver

[17:45:50]

gbee:

clever: press 'i' or is it 'u'

[17:46:02]

livingtm:

yeah :-)

[17:46:08]

clever:

i is a clock

[17:46:12]

clever:

u looks like what i wanted

[17:46:15]

livingtm:

it was like getting hit with a bolt of lightning

[17:46:33]

Dagmar:

I didn't even consider that ytou might have left that out

[17:46:35]

Dagmar:

heh

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livingtm:

well, it was my first time.. now im wiser :-)

[17:47:00]

** clever restarts to fix the 1gig ring buffer which could also be fixed by several hours of reinstalling:P **

[17:47:17]

livingtm:

i always find that when googling i run into a lot of stuff thats outdated and wastes a lot of my time.

[17:47:28]

gbee:

I had a similar setup problem with LCDproc

[17:47:39]

gbee:

so you're not alone

[17:47:56]

Dagmar:

livingrm: not to say I told you so, but in theory, the "going back over each step very carefully looking for anything slightly out of place step" should have spotted that

[17:47:58]

livingtm:

its hard to know whats up to date and correct. especially with the rate at which FOSS changes (dont get me wrong, i LOVE it)

[17:48:31]

livingtm:

okay, now, is there a lot fo setup to get mythfrontend to use it?

[17:49:48]

gbee:

no, as long as it's compiled with lirc support all you need to do is create a config (.lircrc) and put it in ~/.mythtv

[17:50:10]

livingtm:

gbee, is there a template to start with?

[17:50:41]

gbee:

probably one on the wiki – wiki.mythtv.org

[17:51:15]

gbee:

and I'm pretty sure there is one in the official docs too

[17:51:35]

livingtm:

sweet thanks

[17:52:07]

gbee:

basic structure is something like http://pastebin.ca/338754

[17:54:50]

gbee:

where 'button' is the identifier used in your lircd.conf and config is the keyboard key you want it bound to in mythtv

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[shodan]:

why is mythtv displaying an error and interrupting playback if you tune a radio channel or a off air channel (any channel that doesn't have video) ? (mythtv displays "error was encountered while displaying video" with a button "return to menu" and it doesn't retry)

[18:03:33]

[shodan]:

(that is on DVB btw)

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livingtm:

Hey were does that config file for the remote go again? ~/.mythtv?

[18:12:07]

gbee:

[shodan]: what version?

[18:12:22]

gbee:

livingtm: yes ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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[shodan]:

gbee, media-tv/mythtv-0.20_p12172

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livingtm:

gbee, is there a plugin or somethign i need to install?

[18:15:07]

gbee:

livingtm: no

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gbee:

sorry I'm off to grab some food

[18:18:24]

livingtm:

is there a method for generating lircrc?

[18:18:33]

livingtm:

its seems like people are pulling htem out of thin air

[18:20:19]

waldo:

livingtm: i nicked mine off a friend, who i think got it from a friend, who in turn ... yeah.

[18:21:44]

livingtm:

haha greeeaaaaat

[18:21:50]

livingtm:

thast harder than getting my hardware to work

[18:22:39]

sebrock:

Im having trouble getting my machine to power off

[18:22:46]

livingtm:

is looks like theres a sample in the source distribution... which i dont have

[18:22:59]

sebrock:

just read that I should ad this: rmmod snd_hda_intel somewhere, but I dont know where?

[18:23:40]

livingtm:

thats a kernel module for an instal sound card

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livingtm:

intel sound card

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Dr_willis:

that would be to 'remove' the loaded module

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Dr_willis:

rmmod = remove

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livingtm:

does anyone have this file? /usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.20/configfiles/lircrc.example.pinnaclestudiopctv

[18:26:55]

livingtm:

i aparentl need it :-)

[18:27:13]

livingtm:

and it didnt install with my ubuntu packages

[18:28:11]

Dr_willis:

I would say check the lirc homepage. I dont have it in my ubuntu box either

[18:28:22]

Dr_willis:

oh wait..

[18:28:25]

Dr_willis:

c/mythtv-doc/examples/lircrc.example.pinnaclestudiopctv.gz

[18:28:27]

livingtm:

i think it comes with myth source

[18:28:30]

Dr_willis:

is there.. :)

[18:28:43]

livingtm:

whats the first part of that?

[18:29:34]

livingtm:

i dont have /usr/share/doc/mythtv-doc

[18:29:37]

Dr_willis:

/usr/share/doc/mythtv-doc/examples/lircrc.example.pinnaclestudiopctv.gz

[18:29:53]

Dr_willis:

I apt-get isntalled this stiff.. so i would guess theres some packages ya missed

[18:30:03]

livingtm:

hah its another package

[18:30:06]

Dr_willis:

and NO i havent gotten it working. :)

[18:30:08]

livingtm:

got it thanks :-)

[18:30:33]

livingtm:

of course i cant cionnect to the repository to get it GRRRRR one thing after another

[18:30:50]

Dr_willis:

its cold outside.. the internet is sluggish

[18:30:50]

Dr_willis:

:)

[18:30:52]

Dr_willis:

frozen pipes

[18:31:02]

livingtm:

thats abou the only explanation i can think of

[18:31:04]

Dr_willis:

or its everyone playing Vanguard..

[18:31:10]

Dr_willis:

and lagging your connection

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livingtm:

man can you pastebin that file or somthing? this bites

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livingtm:

i finally got the damn remote to work.. that SHOULD have been the hard part :-)

[18:34:23]

sebrock:

in ubuntu where is modprobe,conf or the like of it located?

[18:34:47]

livingtm:

i didnt have one by deafult

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livingtm:

i think its supposed to be /etc/modprobe.conf

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sebrock:

cant see it there

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livingtm:

right

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livingtm:

i didnt have one by default....

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livingtm:

i had to make it

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sebrock:

huhu?

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livingtm:

"sudo nano /etc/modprobe.conf" then put your stuff in there and save it

[18:36:41]

ttuttle:

Hey, I'm looking for a cheapish USB tuner that works with MythTV. Any suggestions?

[18:36:44]

sebrock:

did

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sebrock:

strange tho

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ttuttle:

Is the WinTV-PVR-USB2 any good?

[18:39:24]

ttuttle:

Anyone?

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ttuttle:

Better yet, any ExpressCards?

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rabbit7:

hello. I need some help with mythtv. i somehow cant change channel

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rabbit7:

can anybody tell me how to debug that ?

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Akiyuki:

Has anyone had a successful experience installing MythTV under a Fedora setup? I've heard that atrpms are bad.

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ttuttle:

Anyone tried the WinTV HVR 950?

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mkeenan:

hey guys, I was wondering if there was an easy way to transcode a show skipping commercials and also cropping off the to and bottom black bars of a 16:9 broadcast that was captured in 3:4 format

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infestedc0re:

=) only that?

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Dr_willis:

and translate the voices to Yiddish!

[19:04:24]

Dr_willis:

:)

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xris:

mkeenan: nuvexport

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infestedc0re:

yup...

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mkeenan:

xris, I have nuvexport

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mkeenan:

lemmie see if I can figure out the crop options

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infestedc0re:

im lookin up the wiki for mkeenan

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infestedc0re:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nuvexport

[19:06:19]

infestedc0re:

that will show you how to do some of the stuff

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xris:

mkeenan: make sure it's the lastest version. I just added the force-aspect-ratio stuff last week or so

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livingtm:

ok, i can watch the remote work with irw. i have lircrc in place. Mythtv doesnt respond to the remote

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mkeenan:

xris, all I see is Crop broadcast overscan border (0–5%) ? [2]

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xris:

mkeenan: you need to use manual overrides.

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mkeenan:

nuvexport version: 0.4 0.20060918.svn

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mkeenan:

can I use that one or do I need a new one?

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xris:

I just said "last week or so"

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infestedc0re:

http://forevermore.net/files/nuvexport/

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galorin:

grrr, I've got a dead 64 bit 754 motherboard, and the only other known good system I've got is a 650MHz AMD. I even went RAID+LVM to avoid HDD failures... but never expected a dead board.

[19:12:23]

galorin:

Now.. do I reinstall a 32 bit distro, or me myth-less until I can afford a decent upgrade?

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xris:

mkeenan: sample commandline: nuvexport --title feasting --subtitle Plains --ffmpeg --mode mp4 --mp4_codec h264 --crop_left 1.5 --crop_top 12.5 --crop_bottom 12.5 --out_aspect 16:9 --require_cutlist --width 528 --nodenoise --a_bitrate 128 --v_bitrate 768 --multipass --height 360

[19:13:58]

galorin:

Dr_willis, that's what I'm thinking, but I've got lots of important stuff there other than just myth.

[19:14:51]

galorin:

like family photos, my entire music collection, college work, ya know.. the good stuff.

[19:15:10]

mkeenan:

xris, thanks

[19:15:41]

livingtm:

How can i tell if mythtv is even looking for the remote? or lircrc?

[19:16:36]

galorin:

livingtm, irw should let you know if it's being picked up, as long as your config files are right.

[19:16:47]

livingtm:

yeah irw works fine

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mkeenan:

xris, so then I can't go through the menu driven part of it?

[19:17:07]

livingtm:

i just caught error messages complaining abou keymappins

[19:17:13]

livingtm:

where do i straighten that out?

[19:17:25]

galorin:

I think it's lirc.conf

[19:17:34]

galorin:

can't recall off the top of my head though

[19:17:55]

galorin:

my myth PC is dead ATM

[19:18:15]

livingtm:

not in "Edit Keys" in the setup menu?

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galorin:

well, each button on your remote needs to be assigned a key, then Edit Keys will work

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xris:

mkeenan: if you don't specify the title/subtitle, it'll go to the menu to confirm stuff. you can also add --confirm.

[19:19:30]

mkeenan:

cool

[19:19:32]

xris:

but you only get the top/bottom overrides and out_aspect via the commandline

[19:19:49]

mkeenan:

I don't know much about codecs, I've been saving my stuff in xvid....is the h264 better?

[19:20:03]

livingtm:

i have an lircrc that seems to be correct

[19:20:08]

Smirnov:

its all mpeg4 at the end of the day mkeenan

[19:20:11]

mkeenan:

also, I heard that for xvid, I should be useing --transcode

[19:20:56]

livingtm:

i get "Attempt to convert <XYZ> to a key sequence failed"

[19:21:03]

mkeenan:

darn, looks like the latest I can get is.... [ebuild U ] media-tv/nuvexport-0.4_p20061203 [0.4_p20060918] 39 kB

[19:21:24]

juski:

sudo cp /media/themework/watermark/* watermark -v

[19:21:26]

Akiyuki:

Just for general knowledge, I purchased the ATI TV Wonder 200, and it works perfectly under Linux

[19:22:28]

livingtm:

in lircrc, What is "config=" pointing to? where can i find the list of items to choose from

[19:23:03]

juski:

Akiyuki: eew it's a framegrabber though :(

[19:23:17]

juski:

livingtm: keys.txt

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livingtm:

cool thanks

[19:23:41]

gbee:

livingtm: points to a keyboard key, we don't allow direct mapping to mythtv actions

[19:23:50]

Akiyuki:

juski, Is that bad?

[19:23:53]

livingtm:

heh wheres keys.txt??

[19:24:09]

livingtm:

i dont really understandhow this all fits together.. bear with me :-)

[19:24:14]

juski:

Akiyuki: framegrabbers have many limitations

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juski:

svn commit

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juski:

damnit

[19:24:41]

livingtm:

button= points to the data that comes from lirc, and config= points to the key you want it to "press"?

[19:24:42]

gbee:

e.g. if you've got P bound to play, then bind button=Play config=P

[19:24:44]

juski:

too many windows

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gbee:

!trout juski

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** MythLogBot slaps juski with a trout on behalf of gbee... **

[19:25:04]

livingtm:

ok

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gbee:

livingtm: yes

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juski:

I needed that gbee thanks :)

[19:25:43]

juski:

listening to some French house music station way too loud

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Akiyuki:

juski, What type of limitations? Is it not a very good idea to use this?

[19:26:45]

juski:

Akiyuki: well for one thing, framegrabbers don't usually capture the audio by themselves, so if you wanna use more than one tuner you'll need more than one soundcard

[19:26:49]

livingtm:

SWEET thanks!

[19:27:11]

gbee:

livingtm: working?

[19:27:19]

livingtm:

the numbers are anyhow :-)

[19:27:20]

juski:

for another thing, compressing video on the fly in software uses a lot more cpu than a tuner card with onboard mpeg encoding like the pvr150 card

[19:27:27]

livingtm:

got to edit the rest of lircrc

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juski:

gbee: what do you reckon to the latest screenshot? www.juski.co.uk/comingsoon.png ?

[19:28:06]

Akiyuki:

juski, is it not realistic to expect to use this card?

[19:28:22]

juski:

Akiyuki: oh it'll work, but I'm just pointing out the limitations :)

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Akiyuki:

juski, oh ok, thank you for informing me..... it has composite in, svideo in, coaxil in, and an audio out to the line in of a soundcard...mainly i want to capture things from my NES, camcorder, and a few television shows.... is it illegal to record television shows ?

[19:29:27]

gbee:

juski: looking good, in fact I really like it and I usually hate the 'dark' themes

[19:29:52]

juski:

Akiyuki: not yet :)

[19:29:58]

Akiyuki:

/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXv

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Akiyuki:

Dang, lol.. looks like I might not be recording afterall

[19:30:19]

juski:

gbee: that'd be a thumbs up then ;) I'm bursting to start using it

[19:30:28]

livingtm:

man, i dont know the mythtv keystrokes well enough to fill this out :-)

[19:30:54]

livingtm:

whats the RightArrow?

[19:31:18]

juski:

in the d o c u m e n t a t i o n !

[19:31:22]

livingtm:

;)

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Akiyuki:

Anyone have an idea how to fix this error? /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXv

[19:31:42]

Akiyuki:

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

[19:31:42]

Akiyuki:

?

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livingtm:

ive been reading docs for the last 12 hours straight.. i just want it to work now!!!!

[19:33:49]

juski:

galorin scroll up for hints, then read the docs at lirc.org

[19:33:50]

livingtm:

juski, wheres thius keys.txt?

[19:34:09]

juski:

livingtm: that webpage I gave you lists most of them

[19:34:21]

juski:

or you could try 'locate keys.txt'

[19:34:32]

livingtm:

yeah but it says "arrow keys" WTF is "RightArrow"

[19:34:47]

livingtm:

config=RightArrow?

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juski:

Right

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juski:

look in other lircrc files for hints

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gbee:

Right, Left, Up, Down

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livingtm:

ok cool thx (sorry)

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livingtm:

ive jus tbeen at this for hours and hours...

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infestedc0re:

has anyone had trouble installing nuvexport?

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galorin:

ok, this remote is just weird. without me doing anything, some keys show up in xev and the module being loaded is for an ati remoe, but it's not...

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galorin:

meh, back to the drawing board

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mkeenan:

havin some problems with nuvexport....I just downloaded and installed it

[20:07:26]

mkeenan:

mythtv@myth ~ $ which nuvexport

[20:07:26]

mkeenan:

mythtv@myth ~ $ nuvexport --version

[20:07:26]

mkeenan:

nuvexport version: 0.4 0.20060918.svn

[20:07:26]

mkeenan:

mythtv@myth ~ $ /usr/local/bin/nuvexport --version

[20:07:26]

mkeenan:

nuvexport version: 0.4 0.20070201.svn

[20:07:54]

mkeenan:

hrm, for some reason that didn't paste the result of which nuvexport

[20:08:06]

mkeenan:

when I run which nuvexport, I get /usr/local/bin/nuvexport

[20:08:26]

mkeenan:

yet I get different results depending on whether I run nuvexport --version or /usr/loca/bin/nuvexport --version

[20:08:37]

mkeenan:

any ideas?

[20:10:02]

rabbit7:

hey, my audio in is looped into the adio in of the soundcard

[20:10:18]

rabbit7:

how do i smartly mute / unmute that device ?

[20:10:58]

Akiyuki:

The bug is not reproducible, so it is likely a hardware or OS problem..... uh oh

[20:12:52]

Akiyuki:

Anyone come across this error before?

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mkeenan:

xris, I'm trying your command and I get this..... crop_top must be a number between 0 and 5.

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mkeenan:

you there xris?

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nomin:

can ffmpeg be used alone to convert .nvu without installing anything extra? I can get it to encode the video but there is no audio.

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nomin:

.nuv

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hardnova:

hi people i have a silverstone lc16 and i am wondering how to get the buttons on the front to do somthing the big knob gives me lirc codes so that was easy but "stop" "play" "ff" "rw" im not sure how to use them

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hardnova:

anyidea how i get these buttons to do something ? are they like keyboard extended keys if so is there some app to tell me what codes they are giving ?

[20:35:19]

Milosch:

hardnova: so, are you running lirc now?

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Fooker:

hardnova: You should get lirc codes from the others as well

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juski:

cesman: www.juski.co.uk/comingsoon.png :)

[20:43:01]

juski:

ok no more pimping my themes

[20:43:16]

juski:

til it's finished. I promise

[20:43:52]

cesman:

juski: unless you've updated it, I've seen it

[20:44:09]

juski:

updated, a few times today

[20:45:07]

cesman:

pic looks the same

[20:45:38]

juski:

does it? maybe try refreshing. there shouldn't be an image of a turntable there now

[20:46:35]

cesman:

yes, it does

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juski:

ah well

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cesman:

media library, watch recordings...

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hardnova:

Fooker the buttons dont give lirc codes only the dial

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juski:

anyway, my point is.. if you liked blootube.. this one will be better (I hope)

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hardnova:

Fooker thus im thinking they may be keyboard special keys rather than maped as lirc codes?

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Fooker:

hardnova: How are these buttons connected into the system? USB?

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Led-Hed:

Fooker, I use Xine w/ MythVideo to play Movies. When I play a movie the audio is out of sync

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tracer_:

hello

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tracer_:

Is this the right place to ask for drivers for USB DVD-T Dongles under linux?

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Dr_willis:

Hmm.. not seen one of those.

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tracer_:

Ahe, sorry, I meant DVB-T

[21:05:40]

Dr_willis:

not seen oneof those either. heh heh – may want to google and see how well linux support is for the device.. and check the MythTV wiki/forums also.

[21:06:20]

tracer_:

Dr_willis: I was gooogling four hours.

[21:06:39]

Dr_willis:

Thats a bad sign. If theres no Linux drivers/support for the thing.. well....

[21:08:54]

tracer_:

Is the a special V4L channel?

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gbee|afk:

linuxtv.org DVB wiki is the usually the authoritative source for what IS supported

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gbee|afk:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_cards

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weasie:

anyone here have any idea how I can troubleshoot not being able to change channels on a PVR150?

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tracer_:

I already founf that page, but I even don't know what Hardware I mght have, it's with a german label, but can be whatever, and looking for the USB ids gave no posivite results :-(

[21:11:18]

Dr_willis:

via the remote?

[21:11:25]

weasie:

via anything

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cesman:

weasie: start by taking a look at your backend log

[21:11:40]

weasie:

I have even tried ivtv-tune and it won't change channels

[21:12:11]

cesman:

then I say, start by reading the ivtv mailing archives

[21:12:13]

weasie:

nothing is listed in the backend log, myth thinks that it did it

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Fooker:

tracer_: Without knowing what hardware it is, theres only one way for us to help you – mail it to us :P

[21:12:33]

weasie:

yeah, I have been going through that pretty much, can't seem to find it :)

[21:12:48]

Fooker:

weasie: Changing with ivtv-tune doesn't work? Check dmesg

[21:13:02]

weasie:

nothing shows u pin there

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alsoconfused:

weasie: did it used to work?

[21:13:49]

weasie:

yes, before I added the HVR950

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tracer_:

Fooker: I added the option to give it back, if it won't run under linux. But I was hoping to get it fixed, even with minor glitches :(

[21:14:15]

weasie:

I have since unplugged the HVR950 and rebooted, but I bet that the v4l update I did broke things for the PVR150

[21:14:48]

weasie:

I followed the steps at http://lunapark6.com/?p=2682 except I did the equivalent for fedora core 6

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tracer_:

Thats was lsusb says about it: 704DTVBOX

[21:15:06]

weasie:

I bet the v4l-dvb-kernel update messed me up

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alsoconfused:

which kernel are you running now? did you build it yourself?

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weasie:

2.6.18–1.2868.fc6 i686, I did not build it myself, but the v4l-dvb-kernel modules I did as was directed in that link

[21:19:36]

alsoconfused:

weasie: did it overwrite any of the firmware files?

[21:20:21]

weasie:

good question, let me check

[21:20:24]

Fooker:

tracer_: I'd take it back and get a PVR150 or similar

[21:21:03]

Fooker:

tracer_: Or go to the manufacturers site and see if you can find it

[21:21:47]

tracer_:

Fooker: the manufacturer cliams that it would be runnung unter linuxtv, but no links :( I'll check, if I find that page again.

[21:22:02]

weasie:

does not appear to have altered my firmware at all

[21:22:33]

weasie:

it does look like it installed a new tuner module

[21:24:27]

weasie:

yeah, it updated tuner.ko on my

[21:24:33]

weasie:

maybe that is part of the issue

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alsoconfused:

weasie: do you have the correct tuner= option for ivtv in modprobe.conf?

[21:26:22]

weasie:

I have "options ivtv tuner=50" set. I used to not have any setting and it worked fine

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krups:

running into issues transcoding. using hauppage 350 on ubuntu edgy. says unknown video codec. ideas?

[21:28:34]

alsoconfused:

weasie: did ivtv say anything interesting (in dmesg) when it loaded?

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rabbit7:

i always have to click keyboard,up to change channel .. how can i change that

[21:30:33]

weasie:

nothing I can see, but I did a pastebin so others can look and let me know http://www.pastebin.ca/339117

[21:30:39]

tracer_:

I found a BB, where someone has in it's signature, that heis using this card under linux. I'll aks him. Thanks anyway. cu.

[21:30:51]

Milosch:

weasie: must be missing one of the tuner drivers. You should see the i2c line as well as another in dmesg

[21:31:18]

Milosch:

tuner 2–0061: chip found @ 0xc2 (ivtv i2c driver #0)

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Milosch:

tuner 2–0061: type set to 70 (Samsung TCPN 2121P30A)

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Milosch:

like that

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Milosch:

or are they all wrapped in one module?

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weasie:

hmm

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weasie:

let me look at what comes in my tuner lines

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mothas:

I'm having problems booting – everything hangs when it tries to start up the RAID. Even when the RAID is removed. Any ideas?

[21:33:05]

Fooker:

This is weird. autotranscode was set to 1 in the record table, and yet a transcode job never even got queued...

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Fooker:

No errors in the logs.

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Milosch:

yeah, got my imon-knob working again

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Milosch:

apparently the order of devices matters when running two lircd

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gbee|afk:

knob? ... really?

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alsoconfused:

weasie: did you try with the old tuner.ko?

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weasie:

alsoconfused: I don't have it :(. I am trying to recover on that now

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mothas:

Could anybody help me with a software raid problem? My backend is failing to boot, and stalling at the "md: raid4 personality registered for level 4" line.

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alsoconfused:

mothas: did you change something?

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mothas:

alsoconfused: Yes – added a drive (not to the raid).

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alsoconfused:

will it boot if you pull that drive?

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mothas:

alsoconfused: Nope – nor will it if I remove the raid (boot drive isn't the raid).

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alsoconfused:

single user?

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mothas:

alsoconfused: Tried that – it still stalls at about the same place.

[21:56:02]

alsoconfused:

did you change anything in the bios?

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mothas:

no

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alsoconfused:

did you muck around with the initrd?

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jjoseph:

$55 for a tv card. Mythtv installed. Works so well I had to order a widescreen monitor and a wireless keyboard/mouse! Hope I don't have to set up a frontend system in the living room soon! Who am I kidding...back to newegg.

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waldo:

jjoseph: which tv card?

[22:00:26]

jjoseph:

Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-150

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waldo:

for $55? i shop at the wrong stores.

[22:00:43]

jjoseph:

actually Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-150MCE

[22:01:13]

jjoseph:

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16815116633, I'm thinking about grabbing a second one.

[22:01:35]

alsoconfused:

mothas: still there?

[22:02:02]

waldo:

ah, no remote. that's why i gave it the skip

[22:03:21]

jjoseph:

waldo, Thought about that. I think the wireless keyboard will be good enough for watching on the comp. When I put the frontend in the living room though I'm going to need a remote

[22:03:43]

waldo:

yeah, mine's in the living room, attached to the tv.

[22:03:53]

waldo:

the remote's nice for that use case.

[22:04:16]

kormoc:

waldo, jjoseph, personally I love the mce usb remote and keyboard combo, so I got it separately from my capture card.

[22:04:45]

waldo:

i wasn't sure if the usb remote would be supported at the time

[22:04:51]

waldo:

guess it is, hey? :]

[22:05:02]

kormoc:

heh, it's been supported for awhile, aye :P

[22:05:10]

rabbit7:

hey.. i have a problem with the keyboard shortcuts of mythtv

[22:05:20]

rabbit7:

i have to press up and space to switch channel

[22:05:26]

rabbit7:

isnt there a faster way to do that ???

[22:06:11]

gbee:

enter the channel number

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gbee:

or turn off browse mode

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rabbit7:

and then ? press enter ?

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rabbit7:

nothing happens

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jjoseph:

I'm thinking about setting one up, building a silent/fanless box for the living room. Don't think the wife will go for it though, we already have a TIvo. I almost wish I didn't.

[22:08:12]

waldo:

i'd rather have a mythtv box than a tivo, personally :]

[22:10:55]

jjoseph:

kormoc, I'm in the us but no hd yet...

[22:11:04]

jjoseph:

kormoc, digital cable though

[22:11:28]

kormoc:

jjoseph, too bad, the fcc mandate only covers HD subscriptions

[22:11:57]

jjoseph:

kormoc, Guess I'll have to upgrade that as well!

[22:12:24]

jjoseph:

hmm, what to do with that old tivo box once I get all this up and running...

[22:12:42]

waldo:

i recommend fire.

[22:12:52]

kormoc:

give it as a present

[22:12:58]

Fooker:

kormoc: Ever seen mythtranscode not get called for some reason? I have autotranscode set to 1, and transcoder set to 27 (high quality, which I've switched to lossless), and yet mythfrontend doesn't even put the transcoding job into the queue. And nothing in the logs

[22:13:37]

kormoc:

Fooker, if the scheduled recording isn't set to allow transcode jobs, or the backend isn't allowed to transcode

[22:13:47]

waldo:

say, speaking of transcoding

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Fooker:

kormoc: Works fine if I call it after the recording is finished, from within mythfrontend. How would I check the scheduled recording's allow transcode settings?

[22:14:31]

waldo:

who's got recommendations for getting decent-quality transcoding? i see hour long episodes with good enough quality that they don't display artifacts when you watch them on a tv

[22:14:38]

waldo:

come in at about 170MB

[22:15:01]

waldo:

how the hell do they do that?

[22:15:02]

rabbit7:

shouldnt i be able to change the channel with keyboard up and keyboard down ??

[22:15:08]

rabbit7:

it somewhow doesnt work

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Fooker:

waldo: I don't know how you could possibly get them that small, especially not with any decent quality or the capability to play them with a standard dvd player

[22:15:33]

kormoc:

Fooker, personally, I just use mythweb

[22:15:56]

Fooker:

kormoc: Haven't been able to get it to work, and I don't need it, so I'm not to interested in getting it running.

[22:16:06]

waldo:

Fooker: i was surprised, too.

[22:16:08]

Fooker:

kormoc: But maybe I should be..

[22:16:24]

Fooker:

waldo: It would probably take allot of time, but maybe you could do it with a good codec

[22:16:24]

kormoc:

waldo, h264 tends to be small and nice, two pass encoding, you can shrink them down rather far

[22:16:50]

Fooker:

waldo: Be prepared for 4–6 hours per show transcoding time though, unless you've got a really beefy machine

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mothas:

alsoconfused: still there?

[22:18:19]

alsoconfused:

yeah, any luck?

[22:18:25]

mothas:

not so far

[22:19:07]

mothas:

It does *eventually* boot. Several minutes after trying to start the raid, aparently.

[22:19:31]

alsoconfused:

i looked at the init script for my system fedora with 2.6.18. after loading raid456, it tries to insmod scsi_mod.ko

[22:19:46]

alsoconfused:

that's where i think it's hanging

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Fooker:

kormoc: Ok, mythweb is working – where did you see this setting?

[22:19:54]

waldo:

Fooker: sempron 2400+. rawr.

[22:20:15]

mothas:

OK – thanks, alsoconfused. I'll take a look at that script on my system.

[22:20:42]

kormoc:

Fooker, under recording schedules, click on one, then under Advanced options, Auto-transcode

[22:20:44]

alsoconfused:

mothas: i'm referring to the script contained in your initrd.

[22:20:53]

jjoseph:

would an upgrade to an HD subscription require a diiferent card that my Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-150?

[22:21:10]

kormoc:

jjoseph, if you use firewire, you don't need the pvr 150 at all

[22:21:12]

Fooker:

kormoc: Yep, thats set to 1 (checked) for all recordings

[22:21:23]

mothas:

alsoconfused: ok – I'm waiting for the box to boot again, so it'll be a few minutes until I can look into it.

[22:21:28]

alsoconfused:

mothas: i would try going into the bios setup, don't change anything, but tell it to save the config

[22:21:31]

Fooker:

waldo: I've got a AMD3000+ w/2gigs of ram, and it takes about that long :P

[22:21:51]

jjoseph:

ahh, firewire from the cable box to my mythtv box and I'm all set? Wow almost to good to be true.

[22:21:53]

mothas:

alsoconfused: why?

[22:22:00]

rabbit7:

is there any help on my issue '

[22:22:00]

kormoc:

Fooker, welp, that's the only time I've seen them fail to transcode, sorry

[22:22:18]

Fooker:

kormoc: Thanks anyhow :)

[22:22:19]

rabbit7:

why do i have to press up, space to change channel ? i dont get it

[22:22:31]

alsoconfused:

mothas: sometimes when you move devices around, the bios needs to update its state

[22:22:38]

kormoc:

rabbit7, did you do what gbee said and disable browse mode?

[22:23:06]

kormoc:

jjoseph, aye, it's one of those things that is awesome

[22:23:12]

rabbit7:

kormoc: im new to mythtv... how do i do that ?

[22:23:15]

mothas:

alsoconfused: ok – I'll kill the boot now and do what you suggest.

[22:23:23]

kormoc:

jjoseph, and you can use the pvr 150 for normal cable (2–99) and have two tuners! :P

[22:23:37]

kormoc:

rabbit7, donno... check the wiki?

[22:23:52]

rabbit7:

kormoc: its says press O

[22:23:56]

rabbit7:

but that doesnt do anything

[22:24:52]

Fooker:

rabbit7: Its a feature of mythtv (a very nice one). I'd suggest you get used to it, as once you do, its very helpful.

[22:25:55]

rabbit7:

browsmode.. is there any graphical information that its on or off ?

[22:26:45]

mothas:

alsoconfused: doesn't look like that changed anything.

[22:26:52]

jjoseph:

kormoc, Wow. This is going to be unreal. I've never tried to get firewire working though I'm sure it's easy enough by now.

[22:27:10]

kormoc:

jjoseph, there's a long wiki entry on firewire, worth reading

[22:27:43]

mothas:

alsoconfused: I don't suppose there's any way to get it to quit trying to start the raid at boot time, is there? Maybe some module or other isn't loaded when it wants it.

[22:27:45]

jjoseph:

kormoc, Will do. Thanks.

[22:28:06]

alsoconfused:

mothas: i suspect that it's hanging on the scsi module, not raid

[22:28:52]

alsoconfused:

you could try noscsi on the kernel command line, but that might prevent it from initializing sata devices :(

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mothas:

alsoconfused: What's odd is that it hangs in the same place even if I remove the offending drives physically and from fstab. Where is it finding the command to start the raid, anyway?

[22:32:11]

Fooker:

kormoc: You wouldn't know how long the job IDs are valid for, would you? I would assume till the number wrapped around at 65535 or the backend was restarted.

[22:32:20]

kormoc:

no idea

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alsoconfused:

mothas: it does that in the init script which is contained in your initrd

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mothas:

alsoconfused: right – you did say something about that. I'm still waiting for whatever problem to time out so I can look at that file.

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alsoconfused:

mothas: when it finishes booting, put the output of dmesg on a pastebin and i'll take a look

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jjoseph:

kormoc, Firewire looks great, though the card database at the end seems to indicate some work is still needed for reliable operation, or is this just something that needs updating?

[22:36:40]

kormoc:

jjoseph, it all depends on your hardware. there's people who use it fine all the time

[22:37:05]

mothas:

alsoconfused: sorry – I got impatient and I'm rebooting it into knoppix

[22:37:39]

jjoseph:

kormoc, That's good to hear. I'll be switching over as soon as I uprade to something that's hd.

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jjoseph:

kormoc, Glad I dropped in. I've never heard of the firewire option. Thanks.

[22:38:32]

kormoc:

you're welcome

[22:40:53]

Spicerun:

I added a second tuner card today, and now mythwelcome locks up starting up (prescaling images), and locks up entire system. Anyone has any ideas what to fix? I've already checked mythbackend, mysql, and mythfilldatabase, and they are fine and working correctly. I'm running on an Nvidia FX-6600 GT with Nvidia's drivers and Xorg-7.2.

[22:41:07]

rabbit7:

i cant exit browse mode

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rabbit7:

help

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Fooker:

rabbit7: Browse mode is a good thing. Learn to use it, and you will be much happier with your TV experience.

[22:44:55]

Fooker:

heh, I think I found a bug – mythcommflag just found 231 commercial breaks in a recording :P

[22:47:52]

gardengnome:

Spicerun: classy

[22:48:42]

rabbit7:

Fooker i have a remote controll setup id like to press channel UP and change the channel

[22:49:02]

Spicerun:

gardengnome: Thanks. It was working great for our HDTV 720p setup.

[22:49:09]

rabbit7:

right now i have to press up and space

[22:49:13]

Spicerun:

WAS being the operative word.

[22:51:02]

Fooker:

rabbit7: Yep

[22:51:05]

gardengnome:

Spicerun: i was referring to your rant in #mythtv

[22:51:38]

Fooker:

rabbit7: Thats so you can flip through the channels, reading the description on the bottom, without having to actually change channels or go into the guide

[22:52:01]

alsoconfused:

Spicerun: forget about mythwelcome. do you have the same problem when you start the frontend directly?

[22:52:02]

Fooker:

rabbit7: Allot easier on your system than actually flipping through all the channels, especially when the guide info is just as good if not better

[22:52:30]

rabbit7:

Fooker: all i see is Adding Cha unknown

[22:52:45]

Spicerun:

alsoconfused: Yep.

[22:53:04]

alsoconfused:

Spicerun: so how do you know the backend is working properly?

[22:53:54]

Spicerun:

gardengnome: Oh, ok...Well, sorry, I'm at the end of my rope almost....and it isn't totally because my box is unusable now.

[22:54:40]

gardengnome:

Spicerun: i know you're frustrated. but remember that nobody is obliged to give you (free) support, especially not the developers. they have done enough for you

[22:54:45]

gardengnome:

(no, i'm not one of them)

[22:55:04]

gardengnome:

and i if had to keep track of #mythtv-users, the three mailing lists and the code, my head would explode. ;)

[22:55:32]

Spicerun:

alsoconfused: I can see the process running, the logs are correct, mythfilldatabase running correctly, and it even started recording a program as scheduled without the frontend running.

[22:55:53]

kormoc:

Spicerun, and the output when you try to run mythfrontend?

[22:55:55]

Spicerun:

gardengnome: I understand...and I'm not asking you guys to be in 'general help'.

[22:56:12]

gbee:

Spicerun: the only avenue for support from developers is in the event you have found a bug, in which case you open a ticket in Trac and wait – don't expect an immediate reply or even expect one at all. We aren't paid remember and we've usually got other things to do

[22:56:15]

Spicerun:

kormoc: None....total lockup at the Prescaling Image step.

[22:56:22]

gardengnome:

Spicerun: again, i'm *not* a developer. just thought i'd clarify that

[22:56:35]

kormoc:

Spicerun, with the all verbrose flag?

[22:56:37]

Spicerun:

gardengnome: Ok, thanks.

[22:56:45]

Spicerun:

kormoc: Yep.

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kormoc:

Spicerun, then you're software is compiled wrong, cause it should output a few hundred lines before getting to that step

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gbee:

Spicerun: have you tried deleteing the cache folders from ~/.mythtv ?

[22:57:59]

Spicerun:

kormoc: Understand....this was a working box until I put an identical 2nd tuner card into the system, and right after I added it in mythtv-setup.

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juski:

re

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gbee:

although kormoc has a good point

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Spicerun:

gbee: That's something to try there. thanks.

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Milosch:

what is going on, my canine friend?

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Spicerun:

I'm confident the code is compiled correctly as it WAS working correctly for the past 2 months.

[22:59:19]

Fooker:

Spicerun: Are you sure theres no output before you get to the lockup?

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Spicerun:

Other than the occasional X, system lockups.

[22:59:34]

Spicerun:

Fooker: positive.

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gardengnome:

Spicerun: have you tried strace yet?

[22:59:49]

Fooker:

Spicerun: How are you running mythfrontend?

[22:59:51]

kormoc:

Spicerun, if you don't get debug output... it's not right. That's a flat out truth

[23:00:08]

Spicerun:

gardengnome: No, but I could put it on and see.

[23:00:08]

Fooker:

Spicerun: From a console or from a menu?

[23:00:12]

gbee:

I can't see a connection between a new tuner and a cache related problem however

[23:00:22]

juski:

ahh man I just can't keep from looking at these menu screens :(

[23:00:32]

Spicerun:

Fooker: It was starting automatically on fluxbox startup.

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Fooker:

Spicerun: Ok. Open a terminal, and run it from there

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gardengnome:

juski: the menu of your favourite porn site?

[23:01:02]

Fooker:

Spicerun: It should output a crapload of stuff before it even gets to the prescaling images stuff, in that terminal

[23:01:03]

kormoc:

Spicerun, so how did you pass in the all verbrosity debug flag to the frontend?

[23:01:04]

Spicerun:

But I get the same results running it from a terminal. I've explored all sorts of ways to trigger mythfrontend.

[23:01:05]

juski:

gardengnome: er no

[23:01:19]

juski:

(just for a change)

[23:01:24]

Fooker:

Spicerun: And from a terminal, you get no output (in the terminal window)?

[23:01:25]

kormoc:

Spicerun, have you redirected it to a file?

[23:01:52]

Spicerun:

OK, let me double check and come back with the results.

[23:02:08]

DreadPirateBob:

I have a mythtv box with a HDTV capture card, a Nvidia 6200 video card set up for component output. Is there a recommended video decoder?

[23:02:14]

gbee:

Spicerun: mythfrontend -v all

[23:02:28]

Spicerun:

Possibly I have it redirected somewhere....but I'm not in the process of rerunning right now as my system is in the middle of some upgrades.

[23:02:44]

Spicerun:

gbee: Ok, I'll try it, thanks....and also strace.

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DreadPirateBob:

I've tried "Standard", libmpeg2, and both XvMC's, but they all tear horribly when the camera pans.

[23:03:33]

alsoconfused:

Spicerun: you're doing upgrades while trying to debug a problem? talk about a moving target.

[23:04:04]

Spicerun:

also, well....I was thinking it was another Gentoo X problem I was hoping to correct.

[23:04:10]

Spicerun:

I've had those before.

[23:04:14]

waldo:

brilliant.

[23:04:44]

Spicerun:

and it has been months since the box was upgraded from Gentoo....more to the story.

[23:05:04]

Spicerun:

Ok, I'm properly clubbed over the head, I'll try verbose and strace and report back later.

[23:05:14]

Spicerun:

Thanks for the suggestions.

[23:05:50]

kormoc:

gardengnome, how fast was he kicked from #mythtv anyway?

[23:07:18]

gardengnome:

kormoc: he didn't get kicked, he /part'ed. ,)

[23:07:27]

kormoc:

heh, lucky :P

[23:07:56]

waldo:

is there a way of viewing the job queue from within mythfrontend, or is mythweb the only place to get that?

[23:08:21]

moh:

waldo: system info shows it.

[23:08:26]

moh:

in mythfrontend

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moh:

information centre -> system status

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waldo:

thanks, moh, i forgot about system status

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Led-Hed:

Anyone here have Audio Sync issues with Xine (libxine 1.1.4)?

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waldo:

i gotta say, i'm pretty impressed with the conflict resolution algorithm in mythtv

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J-e-f-f-A:

DreadPirateBob: What's your CPU?

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gardengnome:

DreadPirateBob: did you play around with deinterlacing?

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J-e-f-f-A:

DreadPirateBob: You need to de-interlace it to remove the tearing. Use XVMC and BOB deinterlacing

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gbee:

it's common to all opensource projects, but I'm still annoyed by those who think they have a right to demand support, features and fixes from the developers

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kormoc:

yeah...

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gardengnome:

i want to record multiple channels from one transponder

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** gardengnome pulls a knife **

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gbee:

twice in this last week I've had people doing it on the forums of the driver project I admin – both decided after not getting immediate replies that the project must be dead (despite commits being made in the last 48 hours)

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kormoc:

gbee, heh, I'm perfectly content with people like that going away :P

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juski:

help me now help me now! wah!

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juski:

I enjoy playing the game of seeing how long people can ignore folks like that for sometimes

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kormoc:

hehe

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juski:

anybody here good at drawing widescreen monitors/TVs in vector graphics?

[23:26:14]

gbee:

my whinging about their whinging is no better, wastes my time just as much as they do, I'm just tired and irritable which is when I do all my ranting

[23:26:31]

kormoc:

I can draw a box and put some text in it that says "Wide Screen TV!!!"

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gbee:

juski: funny you should ask, my day job is drawing widescreen TVs! :p

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hardnova:

hi

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juski:

lol

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kormoc:

gbee, that's quite the nitch you work in :P

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hardnova:

anyone got uae working in mythgame ?

[23:30:09]

hardnova:

i have it working kinda but cant get it to exit :(

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gbee:

it's growth industry, no everybody can afford a widescreen TV, so they buy drawing of one instead

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DreadPirateBob:

J-e-f-f-A: gardengnome I'm outputing 1080i, do I still need to deinterlace?

[23:34:31]

DreadPirateBob:

CPU is athlon xp 3000+

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J-e-f-f-A:

DreadPirateBob: If it's tearing, that's a sign of not being de-interlaced... Give it a shot with XVMC and BOB and see if it helps.

[23:36:15]

DreadPirateBob:

Bob is in the tv playback settings?

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gardengnome:

DreadPirateBob: you'll get tearing nonetheless because the fields in the video aren't completely synchronized with the refresh rate of the display

[23:36:41]

gardengnome:

or something like that

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hardnova:

meow

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J-e-f-f-A:

DreadPirateBob: Also — To avoid tearing, set your refresh rate to 60hz (usa)

[23:40:12]

DreadPirateBob:

So instead of VertRefresh 15.0 – 600.0

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DreadPirateBob:

Or where do I set that?

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livingtm_:

has anyone had any luck with mythtv and a Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1600

[23:40:50]

DreadPirateBob:

To complicate things, I'm using component output

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gardengnome:

you might wanna create a corrrect modeline. there's some documentation available on the internet on how you can use your HDTV with mythtv

[23:42:45]

** hardnova looks at the wall **

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DreadPirateBob:

I pulled that modeline from some of said documentation. :)

[23:43:56]

gardengnome:

"VertRefresh" is not a modeline ;) alas, i don't know anything about hdtv so you'd better listen to someone else

[23:45:01]

gardengnome:

hardnova: uae --help?

[23:45:22]

hardnova:

garggengnome yea tried that no good

[23:45:37]

gardengnome:

man uae?

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DreadPirateBob:

gardengnome: I have Modes "720x480" "1280x720" "1920x1080" as my modeline

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** DreadPirateBob puts his thinking tuke on. **

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J-e-f-f-A:

hardnova: Humm.. you're using uae with Myth? ;-) [intrest piqued... I still have my A4000...]

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hardnova:

garggengnome i think since the gui was added the command help is gone , no man page only have a binary

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hardnova:

J-e-f-f-A yes im tring to use it with myth

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livingtm_:

Anyone heard anything good or bad about the Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1600 with Linux and MythTV?

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hardnova:

J-e-f-f-A I have 4 A500's , 3 A1200's , 2 A2000 and a billion amiga disks

[23:48:15]

hardnova:

J-e-f-f-A but the emulator is much easier to setuo

[23:48:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

DreadPirateBob: That's actuall not a 'modeline', that's a list of resolutions it will attemp to use, in the order to use them. A modeline says "modeline", and a bunch of parameters for that resolution.

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DreadPirateBob:

Ahh.

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** DreadPirateBob hates xorg.conf **

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J-e-f-f-A:

hardnova: I've got an A4000/Toaster/Flyer system, an A1200, and my original A500 (towerized), plus lots of Amiga accessories, and lots of floppies too! ;-)

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hardnova:

J-e-f-f-A the aue emulator realy runs well on linux i had a play before on another machine to see if it was worth the effort

[23:50:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

hardnova: Well, it was originally written for Unix, so it's no surprise to me that it works great on Linux. I just haven't tried it yet.

[23:50:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

gardengnome: Thanks... I was beginning to look that link up... ;-)

[23:50:27]

hardnova:

J-e-f-f-A yea the amiga was way before its time its a pitty it didnt continue to develop , it took pc's 10 years to catch up

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gardengnome:

J-e-f-f-A: ;)

[23:51:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

hardnova: It would have been the machine on everybody's desktop back in the 80's if commodore had actually marketed it as something other than a game machine...

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J-e-f-f-A:

hardnova: I even put a laptop DVD drive 'internal' on my A1200... But I only have a 68030/50Mhz accelerator, so it can't play dvds, just use them for data...

[23:52:43]

DreadPirateBob:

gardengnome: Thanks for the help, I'll keep plugging.

[23:53:11]

hardnova:

J-e-f-f-A gees nice hardware hack :)

[23:54:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

hardnova: It wasn't my original idea — I saw that somebody on the web had done it with a cd-rom drive, so I did the same thing with a laptop dvd that I had. Came out pretty good. (I should put some pics on my web page some time...)

[23:54:35]

hardnova:

J-e-f-f-A i have a vga adaptor thing on one of the 1200's but it has a special colour matching paint system installed so i havent yet got a normal workbench on it :(

[23:54:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

hardnova: Ah — it came from Sherman Williams? ;-)

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alsoconfused:

DreadPirateBob: i'd use something other than mythtv for testing your X setup. also, keep an eye on Xorg.0.log (probably in /var/log) and make sure that it validates modes that make sense for your monitor.

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hardnova:

J-e-f-f-A sherman williams , dont know who that is .. but this A1200 was given to me from a paint shop

[23:57:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

hardnova: Sherman Williams is a big paint producer here in the US. They had those systems in many hardware stores in this area. I knew it was an Amiga the second I saw it...

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hardnova:

i just havent had the time to figure out what parts behind the paint software will run that vga connector as the other a1200 wont run the VGA adaptor

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J-e-f-f-A:

hardnova: Is it chrome plated, with a commodore logo on it?

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hardnova:

so it must have some special driver in the workbench i guess

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hardnova:

no its just a standard a1200 it was in a display case with some camera thing atached , it would tell them how to match a paint colour and had some silly BS where you can see a house in various colour combinations

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