Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, January 30th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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snerfu:

Has anyone configured menu options on a remote mythtv frontend machine to run wake on lan to the backend system and a remote halt menu item?

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|Torg|:

wake on lan is already in mythtv

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|Torg|:

nvram wakup is also

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|Torg|:

but both need hardware compatable to do so, namely a WOL nic and NVRAM RTC

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|Torg|:

the former I do not use, the latter I do and have created scripts for my own hardware and its quirks

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snerfu:

ah

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snerfu:

thanks

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mothas:

Quick question – for a myth install on ubuntu, is it better to use dapper or edgy?

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Fooker:

So if myth auto-expires a recording thats part of a series, will it later re-record this title? Or will it remember that its been recorded already and not rerecord it?

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kormoc:

Fooker, if it auto-expires it will re-record

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kormoc:

Fooker, if you delete it and tell it to not re-record, it won't re-record

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Fooker:

kormoc: Any way to change this behaviour?

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kormoc:

Fooker, outside of changing the code, no

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doc|home:

why is stuff that I schedule to record shwoing up in the previously recorded list but not in the media library?

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kormoc:

doc|home, cause you deleted it?

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doc|home:

nope

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Fooker:

kormoc: Hmm... what if the file were to get deleted, but the entry in myth were to remain?

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doc|home:

I've had it happen a few times now

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Fooker:

kormoc: Aside from getting an error when you tried to play that recording, it would act as though it still had that file with a filesize of 0?

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kormoc:

Fooker, aye, but why not just delete it in myth itself then?

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Fooker:

kormoc: I want something thats automatic

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** kormoc shrugs **

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doc|home:

kormoc: the files are still in the storage folder

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kormoc:

it still might auto-expire it

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Fooker:

kormoc: Remember, I have all these scripts to do my bidding? :P

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Fooker:

kormoc: BTW, I got it working so it auto-commercial flags, then transcodes removing the commercials, then uses ffmpeg to re-encode to DVD compat

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kormoc:

Fooker, but keep in mind, it'll still be on the auto-expire list and will autoexpire and get re-recorded

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Fooker:

Right...

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|Torg|:

id prefer if it kept the same video, did not use loss formats, and kept ac3

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Fooker:

Ah well, looks like I'll just have to delete some programs manually

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Fooker:

With 600gigs of HD space, I don't think I'll have to do it too often :P

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kormoc:

doc|home, donno, might be an issue with your database

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** doc|home deletes and reinstalls **

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Fooker:

Getting a script working to actually burn the DVDs could be a problem though....

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: when you get the time I was messing with the stream on mythweb svn... I can get it to go with VLC but not with Mplayer, Quicktime, Windows Media Player any ideas?

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mothas:

Is there any reason to want 64 bit on a myth backend?

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: https?

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SlicerDicer-:

nay

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: dunno, then.

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SlicerDicer-:

mothas: not really unless you really like pain or know how to get media formats to play that are 32bit only :)

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SlicerDicer-:

having said that I run a 64bit backend :)

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: can't help much unless I get an error message.

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mothas:

Thanks – makes sense.

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xris:

I just know that https and streaming don't work, and neither does auth (which is why the latest server config file disables auth for those specific URLs)

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: well

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SlicerDicer-:

when I download the .ask

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SlicerDicer-:

err asx

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SlicerDicer-:

Playing Lost-Live Together, Die Alone.asx.

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SlicerDicer-:

Exiting... (End of file)

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SlicerDicer-:

thats the output from mplayer

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SlicerDicer-:

I dont know how to get verbosity

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xris:

pastebin me the contents of the asx file.. (it's just xml)

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: however If I run nano on the file

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SlicerDicer-:

err

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SlicerDicer-:

ok

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SlicerDicer-:

haha

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xris:

afk,

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xris:

pm me the link

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Milosch:

wow, did someone add the reminder in svn?

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sipher:

What service does MythTV use for getting listings? I read it somewhere ages ago but I forgot..

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Milosch:

oops, no that was in my copy...

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purserj:

depends on the area you're in

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sipher:

purserj: Well.. is permission given to use it or does it do things like rip TV Guide data etc.?

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hads:

depends on the area you are in

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sipher:

It shouldn't. The legality of that is questionable

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kormoc:

sipher, in the US, zap2it, else xmltv

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sipher:

I'm writting a personal service for my local net so I can have just a TV Guide function on my Wii... ah

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purserj:

sipher: we're talking about different national areas

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hads:

It's the Internet! ;)

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sipher:

...

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sipher:

Doesn't matter. The data's still proprietary

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sipher:

I'm just looking for a legal way to get my local listings and do what I want with it.. which is why I thought of MythTV.. but it sounds like it just takes the content without asking first

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Sembiance:

woot, mythbackend SVN 25000 version and mythfrontend are now both working :)

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GreyFoxx:

Where are you located ?

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sipher:

California

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GreyFoxx:

They you use the zap2it datadirect listings THAT THEY PROVIDE FEELY TO MYTH USERS

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sipher:

Right. That's what I wanted to know.. but it still might be an exclusive license to MythTV

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Sembiance:

Anyone happen to have SVN ebuilds for the mythvideo plugin? :)

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GreyFoxx:

Each project has it's own signup code

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sipher:

not exclusive*

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sipher:

hmm. Great. Thanks

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GreyFoxx:

It's free for you to use with myth to get listings, but it's not something you can turn around and just hand out to others

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GreyFoxx:

if you are starting your own project, approach them

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GreyFoxx:

as long as it's not commercial in nature they might not care

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sipher:

Yeah. It's only for me

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GreyFoxx:

You can certainly use the data myth grabs anyway you like for apersonal project, noone would even know

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Fooker:

GreyFoxx: Question for ya. Mytharchive's child processes were killed quite a while ago, but still when I try to burn a new dvd in mytharchive, it goes back to the log viewer – some way to tell it that the previous run is finished?

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sipher:

I don't have a MythTV box

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snerfu:

it doesnt look like an exlusive license to me, just a standard sign up page.

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snerfu:

for anyone to look up listings.

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GreyFoxx:

Each project gets it's own signup code for datadirect. The service isn't exclusive to myth users

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GreyFoxx:

Fooker: I don't really know. I've only used it for exporting stuff and moving it and the xml data to another machine for4 testing

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Fooker:

Hmmm....

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GreyFoxx:

Maybe a stray pid file or something ?

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Fooker:

I wonder what tells it wether or not its background creation process is still running....

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Fooker:

I'll check

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GreyFoxx:

as aguess a db entry or a pid file, but you'd have to check the code to be sure

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Sembiance:

So serious question everyone... what front end theme do you like the best?

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Fooker:

Very serious question there....

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GreyFoxx:

Blootude 4x3 version, and Gray-OSD

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|Torg|:

Blootube HDTV

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Sembiance:

hrmm.. I sense a trend

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kormoc:

G.N.A.T.

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Fooker:

Blue

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GreyFoxx:

If I had a widescreen I'd use blootube-wide

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fysa:

hmm.

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: Really? I can't stand that one :)

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, heh, it looks the best on my crappy tv :P

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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fysa:

If I'm using azap and I only get "FE_HAS_LOCK" on a channel when the snr is eNNN or lower (i.e., fNNN has no lock), does this mean it's a reception issue?

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GreyFoxx:

the syth-* ones look nice too, but until I have a widescreen aren't of use to me

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hads:

I use mythcentre-wide

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|Torg|:

FE_HAS_LOCK only means it found a signal, not that you can get anyting from it

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fysa:

right, but the problem is that I'm losing FE_HAS_LOCK.

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Sembiance:

nobody uses mepo? :)

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fysa:

it's not sticking.

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fysa:

just that station..

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GreyFoxx:

Sembiance: I saw the screenshots, and I think the little animate dude is nifty, but I don't like the colour scheme personally. But to each their own

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fysa:

I took azap's snr as meaning signal-to-noise, but I don't know how to read it.

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|Torg|:

its in hex

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fysa:

.. duh? ;)

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fysa:

I know the station is there and have tuned it before, but I can't get a lock in Myth.

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fysa:

I only get an L.

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|Torg|:

what do you want to know about it?

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fysa:

So I'm using azap to see what it gets..

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fysa:

to make sure it's not a problem with the myth channel scanner.

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fysa:

Looks like azap can't maintain a lock, so I'm thinking it's an issue with reception.

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fysa:

Perhaps I need an amp..

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|Torg|:

what numbers do you get for signal and snr?

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fysa:

I was just curious if anyone had any information on that snr column, and thresholds.

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|Torg|:

and does it stay at 1F?

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fysa:

The bad channels move around.. ec7a, f420, f29f..

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|Torg|:

well first off it depends on the card and the tuner

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|Torg|:

some will report differnt numbers

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|Torg|:

some cant give singal strength so the number is often nonsence

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fysa:

it looks like mine might be working actually, if every working channel is starting with fd..

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fysa:

I'll try the amp and taking a splitter out of the mix..

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|Torg|:

I doubt it is FDXX that means it works

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fysa:

well, obviously :)

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|Torg|:

what card do you have?

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fysa:

there's a threshold there..

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|Torg|:

yes about 35XX and below

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fysa:

fcXX, fdXX, feXX

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fysa:

are on working stations..

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fysa:

fusion 5.

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|Torg|:

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|Torg|:

that is one of my staions that is VERY strong

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fysa:

which card do you have?

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fysa:

I have "signal 0000" across the board..

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|Torg|:

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fysa:

on anything.

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fysa:

signal isn't reporting..

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|Torg|:

that is a station my dropamp over amps, but I still get

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fysa:

just snr..

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|Torg|:

its your tuner then

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|Torg|:

you physically can not have a SNR with no signal

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fysa:

..

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fysa:

it's the driver.

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|Torg|:

it means your card does not return signal info

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fysa:

of course the card returns it :)

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fysa:

you know, it almost looks like someone needs to read a few bits over.

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|Torg|:

status 18 | signal 0000 | snr 3529 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000066 | FE_HAS_LOCK

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v jams

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|Torg|:

likr that?

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fysa:

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fysa:

that's a working station..

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fysa:

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|Torg|:

then your card does not return singal info

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fysa:

this one isn't..

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|Torg|:

a SNR of F900 is damn good

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fysa:

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fysa:

same station

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fysa:

but next line it loses lock.

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fysa:

this is QAM

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fysa:

so signal should be good :)

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fysa:

I may have a splitter that is cutting out a frequency range.

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|Torg|:

umm thats an issue

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|Torg|:

see the unc?

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hads:

Quite a large issue.

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fysa:

ah

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|Torg|:

unc is uncorected error

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Aurelius:

what's unc stand for?

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Aurelius:

oh

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|Torg|:

ie partioal signal

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Aurelius:

we just peaked our dt rx antenna :)

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fysa:

right

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|Torg|:

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|Torg|:

that is a signal from a station that alwyas works but is always on the edge of disaster

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|Torg|:

its about the "limit"

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|Torg|:

note how my snr is way lower then what you have

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Aurelius:

we got ours down to -21dBm

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|Torg|:

without the amp that drops to low 25's

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Aurelius:

err, up to

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Aurelius:

heh

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|Torg|:

you have -21dBm at the transmission tower????

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Aurelius:

no, "dt rx antenna"

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Aurelius:

our ota monitor

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|Torg|:

thats what 10mw?

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|Torg|:

how far apart are they?

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Aurelius:

1dBm is 1mW

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Aurelius:

-10 is 100uW

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Roey:

hi

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Aurelius:

-20 is 10uW

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Roey:

is mythtv its own dithtributhion?

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cesman:

no

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Roey:

ah--so I can apt-get it?

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Roey:

(debian here)

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GreyFoxx:

Myth is an application/group of utilities that you install in aa distro

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Roey:

ahhhhhh

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|Torg|:

ok I forget its logrithmic :)

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hads:

Who was it that was writing a python imdb lookup script the other day.

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Roey:

GreyFoxx: ok, for some reason what I understood differently

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cesman:

of course distributions exist that are dedicated to MythTV

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Roey:

hmm, bill o'reilly, bbiab.

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Aurelius:

and we're i think 36 miles away

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cesman:

such as MythDora

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Aurelius:

with many obstructions to this location

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cesman:

or my personal favorite KnoppMyth

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Roey:

cesman: (I think I'd just install Debian)

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|Torg|:

dedicated, no, optimised yes

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GreyFoxx:

cesman: hehe

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Roey:

cesman: oh that I've heard of, but I don't know which video cards it supports.

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|Torg|:

its Debian it support ANY card that linux supports

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|Torg|:

of course you need to learn a little command called apt-get

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|Torg|:

and perhapsn one called gcc

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Aurelius:

we're running a lot less power on dt than on analog

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|Torg|:

so Aurelius my guess was right, they do use far less power for DT, why tho?

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|Torg|:

I can get many of the analog transmisiosn of the staitosn I can not get DT, I look ont eh FCC and they are 10x the poower of analog

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|Torg|:

is there a technical reason, or is it there bing cheap with electicity?

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Aurelius:

<|Torg|> I can get many of the analog transmisiosn of the staitosn I can not get DT, I look ont eh FCC and they are 10x the poower of analog

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Aurelius:

you mean that reversed, right?

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|Torg|:

nope ill go get one to illustrate

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Aurelius:

ok

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cesman:

Roey: supports all cards that work under linux

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fysa:

hads: What are you trying to do?

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cesman:

should be not need to gcc w/ KnoppMyth although it is included

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|Torg|:

fcc.gov is slow

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|Torg|:

WFAA-TV is 316 kW ERP, while WFAA-DT is 18.8 kW

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Aurelius:

don't wanna miss the shuttle to the train

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Aurelius:

heh

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Aurelius:

yeah, that's what i said... you said it backwards before

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|Torg|:

why is DT bcast at less then 1/10 analog?

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|Torg|:

oh

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|Torg|:

but why?

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Aurelius:

the calculations show that DT is receivable with lower power output levels

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williammanda:

i'm having a tv tuner / sound conflict but it isn't the irq's...can anyone help?

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fysa:

DT is 10th the bandwidth?

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|Torg|:

but that much?

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Aurelius:

(for the same [approximate] coverage area

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Aurelius:

1/10th? haha

[01:28:48]

Aurelius:

right.

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Aurelius:

it's only 10dB

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|Torg|:

power = radiaiton pattern not bandwidth

[01:29:12]

Aurelius:

no

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Aurelius:

ERP is the power in the envelope

[01:29:41]

Aurelius:

also, because the VSB signals are broader, there is more energy in the envelope

[01:29:43]

Aurelius:

i bbiab though

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** Aurelius & **

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|Torg|:

ok if you want to get technical its how much "glow" the could has :P

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fysa:

also, the digital signal is packetized

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|Torg|:

and rebrodcast

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|Torg|:

I woudl say it was encapsulated tho

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|Torg|:

Aurelius would knwo better tho, hes an RF engineer

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shodan:

(using a dvb source) in mythtv-setup -> input connection -> Scan for channels, if I use Scan TYpe = "Existing Transport Scan" and Existing Channel Treatment = "Minimal updates", if I run the scan and I have some channels that I manually renamed and they did not change their callsigns, will they get renamed to their original names ? (for example I renamed CMDY to Comedy Channel, will it get renamed back to CMDY if I s

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shodan:

can again ? (I didn't change the callsign just the name variable))

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fysa:

aha

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fysa:

I ran dvbscan again.

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fysa:

The aid/vids are different,.

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Fooker:

Anyone familiar with the mytharchive code?

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GreyFoxx:

If it sees that file it assumes an archive build is in progress

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doc|home:

I'm running the server and the frontend on the one machine, but getting 'could not connect to the master backend server'. The settings table is correct (127.0.0.1). Why would this be happening?

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doc|home:

same with localhost

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Fooker:

GreyFoxx: Sweet, I'll check that

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Fooker:

GreyFoxx: I really should get a monitor for this machine so I don't always have to fire up the projector...

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sunnyhours4130:

anyone know of a good howto / faq for getting lirc 0.8 working in knoppmyth r5d1 for a homebrew serial reveiver?

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sunnyhours4130:

receiver*

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Fooker:

sunnyhours4130: Shouldn't be any different than with a standard USB or serial receiver

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sunnyhours4130:

yeah, but having no luck still

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doc|home:

anyone?

[02:17:32]

williammanda:

can anyone help with a sound issue?

[02:18:32]

williammanda:

when using a pvr-150 with mythtv...it is fine...but

[02:19:07]

williammanda:

when i put in a fusion or pchdtv card...i loose all sound not just in mythtv

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williammanda:

any ideas?

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Fooker:

williammanda: Is the internal sound capture supported on those two cards under linux?

[02:20:29]

Fooker:

williammanda: You may need to use a loopback cable for the audio and record via alsa

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kormoc:

Fooker, he doesn't, the pvr 150 is a hardware mpeg2 card, and hdtv cards are mpeg2 right off the line

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williammanda:

one other person here uses the pchdtv 5500 without any problems

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Fooker:

Ok, then you've moved beyond my levels of knowledge :)

[02:21:49]

williammanda:

according to the mythtv website both the fusion & pchdtv work ok

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williammanda:

ty

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Fooker:

mytharchive is weird... it demuxed my mpg files, and now its multiplexing everything back into an mpg file...

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SlicerDicer-:

Fooker: but the key to it is it works!

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Fooker:

SlicerDicer-: Which is sadly the only reason I'm using it :P

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Fooker:

I'm much too lazy to actually write a script to generate my own menu's

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Fooker:

Although I beleive I can write a script to replace the remux application that just copies the file into the right spot without actually doing any processing on it...

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Fooker:

Should save me some time

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SlicerDicer-:

I dont know maybe its how your recording it?

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SlicerDicer-:

I havent played with it a _whole lot_ but I think if you did the mpeg2 to mpeg2 transcode in myth for hacking out commercials or whatever it should work no?

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Fooker:

SlicerDicer-: I run a userjob on it to re-encode it to some very precise specifications, specific to a few DVD players

[02:33:06]

Fooker:

SlicerDicer-: So its in the proper format to start with.... I just use mytharchive cause I'm too lazy to generate my own menu's

[02:33:17]

SlicerDicer-:

eh?

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SlicerDicer-:

I only play the DVD's with the frontends :)

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SlicerDicer-:

they dont care about proper formats hehe

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Fooker:

Yeah

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SlicerDicer-:

if its wrong to begin with

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Fooker:

I want to be able to use these DVDs in our machine at church and at my machine's at home/cabin.

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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Fooker:

Theres 45 minutes of discussion in between worship, but the sound guy can't leave the booth. Throw on a DVD and relax :)

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Paladine:

I really need to figure out how to stop mfdb from chewing 100% cpu

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Paladine:

it just got me killed

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Fooker:

mfdb?

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Paladine:

mythfilldatabase

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Paladine:

iteats all my cpu and I was rightin the middle of a really hard fight in my mmorpg

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Fooker:

Weird

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Paladine:

so the cpu lag killed my fps

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Fooker:

It barely uses anything on my machine

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Paladine:

always uses as much cpu as it can on my machine

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Paladine:

I scheduled it to 2am cos most sane people are in bed by then hehe

[02:48:58]

Paladine:

sadly I am far from sane

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Paladine:

fooker I have > 400 channels to update

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Fooker:

Paladine: Thats a few :P

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Fooker:

Paladine: I've got 36 :P

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Fooker:

grep -o "\".*\"" <-- Now that could be confusing regex :P

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kormoc:

nah, there's much worse regex's

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kormoc:

like the RFC822 valid email regex...

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Fooker:

grep -o "-o [a-zA-Z0–9/-]* "

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Fooker:

Woops, pasted that in the wrong window

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kormoc:

111 lines by 80 char for just the pattern

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calvarez:

hello, how well supported is the wintv 350? does the decoder work well with all mythtv's features?

[03:02:07]

Fooker:

Anyone know what command mytharchive uses to multiplex the audio and video streams back into one?

[03:02:34]

Fooker:

calvarez: Yep

[03:03:00]

calvarez:

Fooker, I think I read somewhere that the decoder works, but then you loose the menu functionality, or something like that

[03:03:07]

calvarez:

do you use the 350?

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Fooker:

calvarez: Nope

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Fooker:

calvarez: But I've seen a few people in here using it without problems

[03:04:06]

kormoc:

calvarez, if you use the generic ivtv X driver, you get the menus and everything, but it's slow

[03:04:23]

kormoc:

calvarez, an nvidia card + pvr 150 is cheaper and better then the 350 cause of that

[03:04:31]

calvarez:

what drivers are available for the hauppauge cards?

[03:04:37]

kormoc:

calvarez, ivtv

[03:04:38]

calvarez:

ivtv, whate else?

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Fooker:

Windows drivers

[03:04:43]

kormoc:

that's it

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calvarez:

what about bttv?

[03:05:29]

kormoc:

calvarez, those are for brooktree chipset cards, not pvr cards

[03:05:38]

calvarez:

oh, ok

[03:06:23]

calvarez:

kormoc, since you said that using the generic ivtv x driver, you get menus in tthe 350 but it's slow, what is the other option?

[03:06:31]

calvarez:

what is the other option that doesn't give you the menus?

[03:06:55]

kormoc:

calvarez, to use it as a framebuffer and you don't get any menus, but support for it in that mode will be dropped in myth 0.21

[03:07:47]

calvarez:

why do you say 150 is better? using ivtv works faster in the 150, or you use framebuffer in 150?

[03:08:12]

Fooker:

150 has no video output

[03:08:15]

kormoc:

calvarez, the 350 has been discontinued by happauge. the 150 uses a newer tuner that most people feel is higher quality.

[03:08:52]

kormoc:

calvarez, it also is much cheaper then the 150. You would get an nvidia card for the tv out, which would support faster menus, and other features like HDTV out if you'd like in the future

[03:09:00]

calvarez:

what about 250 vs 150?

[03:09:24]

kormoc:

calvarez, the 150 is a newer version of the 250, and is cheaper. the 250 has also been discontinued

[03:09:35]

purserj:

.wub 31

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calvarez:

do nvidia cards have a mpeg-2 hardware decoder?

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kormoc:

calvarez, they do some via XvMC, yes

[03:10:03]

calvarez:

which ones do?

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kormoc:

calvarez, any of the 5xxx and newer cards

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calvarez:

cool. So, is nv card (5xxx or older) + wintv150 (or 500) the optimal setup? Are there any competing options I should consider?

[03:11:15]

kormoc:

calvarez, that's the recommended solution for standard def tv, aye

[03:11:23]

calvarez:

what about digital?

[03:11:35]

kormoc:

Firewire is usually the choice for US people

[03:11:53]

Fooker:

Theres gotta be a script out there somewhere that just makes a menu based on the file names or variables you feed into it – anyone know of one?

[03:11:57]

kormoc:

as there's no other option for HD quality signals over cable

[03:12:30]

kormoc:

(assuming a typical cable co)

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calvarez:

ok, back on SDTV. what is a better option when doing dual tuner (for picture-in-picture functionality), WinTV 500 or 2 x WinTV 150?

[03:12:42]

kormoc:

calvarez, they are identical, a pvr 500 is two 150's

[03:13:11]

calvarez:

what about pricewise?

[03:13:21]

calvarez:

hmm, I guess a 500 is better pricewise

[03:13:29]

kormoc:

the 500 costs a tad more, but saves you an extra pci slot

[03:13:35]

calvarez:

oh, ok

[03:13:39]

kormoc:

so you can add another one if you'd wish

[03:13:46]

calvarez:

3 tuners?

[03:13:52]

calvarez:

can you really use 3 tuners?

[03:13:54]

kormoc:

you can add as many as you'd want

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calvarez:

ok

[03:14:01]

kormoc:

some people in here use 8 or more

[03:14:26]

calvarez:

what about drivers, is it easier to set up 2 WinTV 150 or a WinTV 500, or the same?

[03:14:34]

kormoc:

same, both use IVTV

[03:14:48]

kormoc:

and the 500 gets detected as 2 150's

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Fooker:

Actually, the 500 isn't identical to two 150's

[03:15:19]

kormoc:

Fooker, it's close enough

[03:15:34]

Fooker:

kormoc: There are some drawbacks concerning the 500

[03:16:03]

kormoc:

Fooker, yes, with certain via chipsets and all that jazz, but there's also some drawbacks with the 150's on certain sis chipsets and all that jazz

[03:16:29]

williammanda:

i found that my fusio & pchdtv cards are replacing their audio for the system audio...anyone know how to fix this?

[03:16:31]

kormoc:

it's all the luck of the draw if you get hammered or not

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Fooker:

kormoc: I wasn't even thinking of that... :P

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calvarez:

I have via chipset

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calvarez:

I guess I should stick to 150 then

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kormoc:

calvarez, then there's a small chance you might have issues with the pvr 500, aye

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kormoc:

Fooker, possibly, but unlikely on most cheap level boards

[03:19:19]

calvarez:

kormoc, what card do they put?

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kormoc:

Fooker, and besides, 2x mpeg2 streams won't kill a pci bus, there's plenty of room left

[03:19:46]

kormoc:

calvarez, I don't know offhand, it's a hdtv capture card with a pvr card built in, so it's an upgrade to the windows users, just not to the linux ones

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sandeen:

hrmph does anyone have a suggestion for tracking down choppy audio... my cpu utilization is < 40%, and I'm doing digital passthrough so there shouldn't even be any decoding load

[03:20:41]

sandeen:

this is on hdtv

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jams:

one major plus for a forum vs mailing list is that you can delete or close stupid threads

[03:21:51]

Goldfisch:

I upgraded my mythtv system to subversion's latest a couple of days ago. I notice shows now recorded seem a little dimmer, or grayer than previously. I can dig up shows from a few days ago, and they are crisp and bright. Anyone else see this recently?

[03:22:09]

H00chster:

I assume for .xinitrc to function you have to be using some sort of window manager?

[03:22:20]

kormoc:

calvarez, they are all practically the same. The radio tuner won't work with myth (currently), and the remote is supported, so it all depends on what you'd like

[03:22:38]

kormoc:

H00chster, nope, .xinitrc is a x file, not WM dependant

[03:22:45]

kormoc:

it used to be how WM's were started back in the day

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H00chster:

kormoc it goes in your home dir right?

[03:23:04]

kormoc:

yes

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** jams still uses .xinitrc to start the wm **

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H00chster:

I am using kdm with autologin does it still reference the home dir?

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kormoc:

it should

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kormoc:

tho, depending on your kdm scripts, it might skip the .xinitrc

[03:23:42]

H00chster:

I put just mythfrontend in it and it doesn't seem to be starting the fe when I restart the kdm

[03:23:46]

H00chster:

ahh heh k

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H00chster:

will look thanks

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kormoc:

calvarez, media center I know for sure works, as I have one and I love it personally

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** hads agrees **

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calvarez:

oh

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calvarez:

so MCE remote works fine, anyone had experiences with Hauppage remote + IR Blaster?

[03:26:10]

calvarez:

I'm in US, so I assume I need the

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calvarez:

NTSC version :)

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kormoc:

aye

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H00chster:

it is .xsession that I guess I need if using kdm heh

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psm321:

any ideas?

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Agrajag-:

ideas on what?

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Agrajag-:

why don't you use alsa?

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psm321:

why its happening?

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psm321:

had too much trouble with it last time i tried

[03:39:57]

psm321:

well i am using alsa

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psm321:

but myth is configured to use oss i think

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psm321:

was working fine earlier

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GreyFoxx:

psm321: What kind of capture cards ?

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psm321:

GreyFoxx: 1 bttv and 1 pvr-350

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psm321:

GreyFoxx: but again, it usually works perfectly... used to have problems with arts but i stopped running it

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GreyFoxx:

Gotta get the audio somewhere

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psm321:

GreyFoxx: well yeah, but it has that often

[03:51:16]

psm321:

i've had no problems watching while recording before

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psm321:

(and bttv card is my preferred recording card)

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GreyFoxx:

I stopped using a bttv card years ago, but as far as I know you should be fine using oss out while recording as well

[03:53:24]

psm321:

yeah, never had a problem with it

[03:53:32]

psm321:

cant figure out why frontend is complaining

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psm321:

"play" has no problem

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** sandeen discovers that UseEvents for the nv driver was causing his audio to go all choppy... man I can't win **

[03:58:54]

anna_:

my router died and my myth box is no longer connected to the net

[03:59:21]

anna_:

but i'm just going to plug my network cable across the room to my myth box just for a quick guide update

[03:59:25]

anna_:

how can i force an update?

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psm321:

mythfilldatabase

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anna_:

ok thx

[04:00:12]

psm321:

possible with --refresh-today or something if you want that

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psm321:

run with --help for options

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anna_:

if it doesn't reach, is there a way to download them and burn them and update from an xml file?

[04:00:35]

anna_:

ok

[04:04:13]

psm321:

aha! mythfrontend hasnt gone crazy

[04:04:34]

psm321:

now i just need to figure out why

[04:05:02]

psm321:

only shows mythbackend

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psm321:

COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME

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kormoc:

strange

[04:05:47]

psm321:

same output

[04:05:52]

kormoc:

sad

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psm321:

yeah

[04:06:11]

psm321:

i'm thinking maybe something crashed and left it unresolved

[04:06:15]

psm321:

but what confuses me

[04:06:24]

psm321:

is that other programs are playing just fine

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GreyFoxx:

They are likely using alsa for output

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psm321:

yeah, just realized that

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psm321:

does myth use xine-lib at all?

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psm321:

i did update that recently

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kormoc:

nope

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GreyFoxx:

no

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psm321:

well the "something left it in a bad state" theory is all i can think of

[04:17:09]

psm321:

which means a reboot i guess, once i have an opening in recordings

[04:17:22]

psm321:

i'm hoping its still recording sound

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J-e-f-f-A:

psm321: If you're using hardware encoders then you should be all set.

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psm321:

no, using bttv

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J-e-f-f-A:

psm321: Ick. Yeah, hopefully it's recording sound...

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J-e-f-f-A:

psm321: I take it you don't have a remote frontend to check with either...

[04:25:36]

psm321:

nope

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psm321:

i could mplayer one of the files

[04:25:46]

psm321:

but meh

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psm321:

yeah its recording sound

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Ztripez:

i'm using gnome atm as my windowmanager.. witch one do you recomend to use? feels like gnome take lots of resoures from cpu and stuff

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hads:

I like ratpoison

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Milosch:

tasty

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Dr_willis:

I perfer somthing less crunchy for a snack.

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Dr_willis:

:)

[04:33:58]

Dr_willis:

the windowmanager/desktop to use – depends on what you like it to do. :)

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Milosch:

have to be really careful about getting too much rp

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Captain_Murdoch:

I have a trap that just electrocutes the suckers... even has a flashing LED to tell me that it got one!

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Milosch:

i use windowmaker on the mythbox, fwiw

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Dr_willis:

I sort of like that 'jwm' for a uber-light window manager..

[04:35:11]

Dr_willis:

'matchbox' is nice in some cases also.

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hads:

If you use GNU screen the you may like ratpoison

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Ztripez:

well.. it will only show mythtv

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Dr_willis:

may want to use fluxbox then.

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kormoc:

I use XFCE-4 on my desktops and LWM on my mythbox

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hads:

You could use no window manager then if you want.

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Ztripez:

how do i do that?

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kormoc:

hads, as long as you don't use any external players or mythbrowser

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** Ztripez noob **

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hads:

kormoc: Quite

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Dr_willis:

yea – no window manager = a bit of an annoyance at times.

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hads:

I don't use external stuff so ratpoison works well for me. The only thing I use it for is if I want to open a console and test/debug something.

[04:38:39]

hads:

Even then I usually do that via my laptop

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Ztripez:

how about fluxbox?

[04:38:55]

Ztripez:

is it good?

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kormoc:

sure

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hads:

Lots of stuff is "good" :)

[04:39:23]

Ztripez:

:P

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: you seen any svn builds around for osx? I looked on the wiki I saw snider's builds but they are not working.. the perl script in contrib is not working LOL!

[04:41:00]

kormoc:

nope

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Fooker:

kormoc: Is there any difference in an mpeg2 file ending in .mpg and an mpeg2 file ending with .vob ?

[04:43:24]

kormoc:

usually .vob files are DVD formatted and not just a regular mpeg2

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Fooker:

Any suggestions on how to create a .vob file from a DVD compatible mpeg2 file?

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kormoc:

sadly, I don't know, I haven't done any real dvd authoring

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Dr_willis:

I just use that mytharchive thing to put some shows on dvd. :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

Fooker: if your mpeg file is already dvd ready as far as video and audio go, you can make it into the required format using replex.

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Fooker:

Captain_Murdoch: So basically I do need to run the full mytharchive script to get it onto a dvd, and not just create menus?

[05:03:10]

Fooker:

Captain_Murdoch: Although, I can do dvdauthor -t recording.mpg and then burn the directory dvdauthor creates, and my dvd player plays it no problems...

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Dr_willis:

i thouigh the thing showed the %full. at least wheni was making a playable DVD from the shows it did.

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Dr_willis:

i dont think it let me make more then a 4gb one.

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SeaWeed:

hello all

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SeaWeed:

how do i go about streaming live video with mythtv to say windows pc in say media player

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robbins87:

Anyone here familiar with mplayer? Or is there an mplayer channel?

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Fooker:

#mplayer I think

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robbins87:

alright, thanks

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robbins87:

Nobody seems to be offering any help in mplayer, anyone know much about that app?

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sloncho:

hi. using 0.21-fixes, compiled. after I transcode a recording, removing the adds as well, the closed captioning are not synced. how do I correct this?

[05:51:44]

sloncho:

robbins87: not too much, but what is u'r question?

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robbins87:

sloncho: hold up, i have a pastebin of the issue

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robbins87:

http://pastebin.ca/332701

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sloncho:

robbins87: what distro?

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robbins87:

FC6

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sloncho:

check if there is some other package with skins

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sloncho:

it is missing the default skin for the gui

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robbins87:

yep, i see that, but i don't know what other packages would have that in it

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robbins87:

and it's "linked" with mythtv, so uninstalling/reinstalling could be messy

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sloncho:

you do not need gmplayer for myth, it needs only the mplayer

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sloncho:

but if you want to use gmplayer (the gui) then you need mplayer-skins rpm as well

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SlicerDicer-:

anybody have any experience rebuilding database?

[06:20:22]

SlicerDicer-:

I am wondering about HDTV mostly...

[06:20:51]

SlicerDicer-:

I have some hd programs listed as 6 mins long and it totally hoses the fastfoward etc

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Dagmar:

Heh.

[06:27:04]

Dagmar:

I rebuild by erasing everything and waiting for it to be rebroadcast

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

[06:29:16]

SlicerDicer-:

kinda hard to do with some of the content I have :)

[06:29:28]

SlicerDicer-:

some of them I no longer have that channel :)

[06:29:41]

SlicerDicer-:

like INHD2 does not exist anymore let alone on cableone hehe

[06:30:32]

Dagmar:

Well, to be honest with you, if the recording still works, I'd go ahead and transcode the things out to DivX or something, and then move it over into MythVideo's purview

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** cesman curses gam_server **

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Dagmar:

MythVideo doesn't care about such things like how _long_ a program is, or whether or not you actually want to see it listed, etc

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** cesman ponder why 24 didn't get recorded **

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SlicerDicer-:

cesman: I get mad when Lost does not record :)

[06:32:34]

cesman:

how can myth stated it isn't listed when it clearly is?!

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SlicerDicer-:

Dagmar: no it does not care hehe

[06:34:29]

Dagmar:

Okay. Time to see if my ill-advised code modification actually works

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Dagmar:

Man why the hell does this work still

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Dagmar:

OKay. As bad as my C++ skills are, there are clearly some people who've been coding on Myth who are worse

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Ztripez:

I just installed mythtv and when i run mythtv-setup i get some database error. some tables are missing..

[07:22:41]

Dagmar:

Did you actually create the database using mc.sql like the instructions said?

[07:22:45]

Dagmar:

I'm thinking probably not

[07:23:03]

Ztripez:

nope.. i installed it from ubuntus repo

[07:25:08]

Ztripez:

some tables are in the db.. but not all of them

[07:30:36]

Ztripez:

^^

[07:30:40]

Ztripez:

will do

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codi:

got mythtv working on ubuntu 6.10, it's fun, but i ran into a couple problems.

[07:31:48]

tcpsyn_:

is the kernel deinterlacing option the same as a custom filter kerneldeint?

[07:31:55]

Dagmar:

Yeah

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codi:

one: i have to run 'sudo mythbackend' to get it started

[07:32:07]

Dagmar:

You may or may not need to bother with it tho

[07:32:16]

codi:

because myth doesn't have access to /var/lib/mythtv

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Dagmar:

codi: Doubtful

[07:32:21]

codi:

but i'm certain it does

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tcpsyn_:

I'm still noticing lines, or breaks in the picture when the film moves quickly horizontally.

[07:32:55]

tcpsyn_:

No matter what deint filter I chose.

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tcpsyn_:

Anything else I can look at?

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codi:

which part is doubtful

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Dagmar:

tcpsyn_: What are you using for output?

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tcpsyn_:

composite

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Ztripez:

hm.. can't find any mc.sql anyone care to send it to me?

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Dagmar:

codi: Well, for one, what do you think it's supposed to be looking for in that directory?

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Dagmar:

ztripes: You're not looking. `find / -name mc.sql`

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codi:

the lockfile is what it complains about

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tcpsyn_:

actually, it's an svideo->composite adapter.

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codi:

when i try running it the way the tutorial told me to 'sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart'

[07:34:22]

codi:

i get a permission denied

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codi:

session management error to be exact

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Dagmar:

tcpsyn_: Okay, so you have what type of video card??

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Dagmar:

codi: You got a session management error??

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codi:

when running that command

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tcpsyn_:

nvideo geforce 6200

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Dagmar:

tcpsyn_: Dude, you *should* be able to let the video card deal with your deinterlacing

[07:36:18]

Dagmar:

tcpsyn_: nvidia-settings has a flickerfree thing in the 8xxx and 9xxx drivers

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tcpsyn_:

Just turn it off in myth.

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tcpsyn_:

I'll try it.

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Dagmar:

It'll result in something like 0/TVFlickerFilter[TV-0]=127 showing up in ~/.nvidia-settings-rc

[07:36:59]

Dagmar:

I've not had to bother with any deinterlacing stuff since I turned that on

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Dagmar:

codi: Could you pastebin that error?

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tcpsyn_:

Dagmar, the flicker filter is the same as deinterlacing

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Dagmar:

because, like, for one thing, I've not noticed mythbackend *using* a pidfile yet

[07:37:52]

Dagmar:

tcpsyn_: Yes.

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codi:

http://pastebin.ca/332761

[07:38:23]

tcpsyn_:

Oh. Maybe it's because I've got both the flicker up and the myth deint on.

[07:38:26]

Dagmar:

codi: Okay, so you should probably look up whoever made that package and go slap them around

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Ztripez:

codi> i get the same problem

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codi:

what package?

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Dagmar:

codi: Mythbackend doesn't touch X. There's no reason why it should be even attempting that

[07:40:04]

Dagmar:

codi: It is very bogus that you're even seeing that. You might want to look at the contents of /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend and see what the heck it's trying to run there above and beyond just mythbackend

[07:41:23]

Dagmar:

Mine... It starts up whether or not I've even got X running, so I'm quite sure X shouldn't be involved in that

[07:41:37]

Dagmar:

I'm almost tempted to just post up my init script

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Dagmar:

Actually

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codi:

ok, how about when i just run mythbackend

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codi:

thats when it complains about the lockfile

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tcpsyn_:

Dagmar, thanks for your help.

[07:42:13]

codi:

/var/lib/mythtv//nfslockfile.lock: Permission denied

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Ztripez:

ok.. i've run the mc.sql and get the same error, here is a pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/332764

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Dagmar:

ztripes: So what are you doing to import the mc.sql file?

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codi:

but sudo mythbackend works fine

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Ztripez:

Dagmar: using the MySQL Query Browser

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Dagmar:

codi: go beat the crap out of the person who made that package until they take the stupid out of the init script

[07:45:38]

Dagmar:

Ztripez: Do you have something against following the documentation provided to you?

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codi:

i don't even know what package it is. it's from the mythtv repository and i followed the ubuntu guide

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Ztripez:

Dagmar: Not at all

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Dagmar:

Ztripez: Likely whatever it is you think you're doing with the query browser isn't working like it's supposed to

[07:46:44]

tafryn:

So, supposedly I just recorded Heroes and Studio 60, however they are not showing up in my Media Libray. They do show up in the list of things that are going to auto expire though. I don't want them to expire, and I would like them in my library. Where am I supposed to look for them?

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Ztripez:

Dagmar: thanks.. well i kind of new to this and you hope that the pakages that comes with ubuntu should work, don't you?

[07:47:46]

Dagmar:

Ztripez: Other people's packages typically aren't my problem, until they become my problem.

[07:48:33]

Dagmar:

I would have just posted up my init script for mythbackend there, but I've got to knock some stale stuff out of it before I inflict something sloppy on someone.

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codi:

is there a problem with deleting everything in the init script and replacing it with sudo mythbackend

[07:49:21]

Dagmar:

Yes.

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codi:

instead of running mythtv as mythtv

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Ztripez:

Dagmar: ok.. folowed the easy steps at the howto.. you know what.. same error :|

[07:51:22]

Dagmar:

You got an error from the command on that URL?

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Ztripez:

Dagmar > no error from the command.. ran mythtv-setup after and got the same errors

[07:52:42]

Dagmar:

...and you ran the mysql command as root?

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Ztripez:

jupp

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Dagmar:

Did you perhaps mix and match packages from different versions of MythTV?

[07:53:05]

Dagmar:

All I can really say is that what you're seeing should *not* happen.

[07:53:14]

Dagmar:

It's time to go hassle whoever put your packages together.

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Ztripez:

Dagmar: i'll try to remove the pakages and reinstall them

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Dagmar:

man, from what I've been doing so far tonight you'd almost think I actually know C++

[08:00:13]

Dagmar:

Against all reason, it both compiles and seems to work

[08:03:53]

tafryn:

If I'm currently recording something and I go to watch live TV it tells me that all inputs are busy. How do I get back to watching the show being recorded?

[08:05:26]

Dagmar:

Go back into the list of recorded shows. It'll be in that listing the moment it starts recording

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tafryn:

ok, from there what do I do? Hitting enter just gives me some options to remove this episode from the list, or never record it again.

[08:10:34]

Dagmar:

You go to the menu where you WATCH recorded shows from.

[08:10:38]

Dagmar:

pfft

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** Dagmar starts another package build **

[08:16:36]

Dagmar:

If this works I will be shocked

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tafryn:

Ah, I see. I had the group filter set too narrowly.

[08:18:37]

tafryn:

Also, is there a setting somewhere that can limit the amount of liveTV that get's recorded?

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pat_:

why would you bother?

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pat_:

I just set a minimum free space, and let myth fill it however it wants to

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Dagmar:

Jesus it actually compiles.

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psm321:

Dagmar: what are you making?

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jvs:

good morning

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Dagmar:

psm321: I need right-justified text for the menu buttons, so I've added a <justification> element

[08:48:23]

Dagmar:

In the process, I looked at what was handling <centered>, and frankly, it looks insane.

[08:49:00]

Dagmar:

When you set the <centered> attribute, it was setting the *vertical* centering flag, which is IMHO wrong, since it's horizontal centering that <centered> is supposed to do.

[08:49:34]

Dagmar:

What makes it crazy is that it *works*, and after I just tosssed that section out and replaced it with what it probably *should* have, i.e., it applies Qt::AlignHCenter, it *still* appears to work correctly.

[08:50:11]

Dagmar:

So with that bit of unrelenting functionality in mind, I just added the entire stuffs needed to handle <justification> with possible values of auto, left, right, and center.

[08:50:25]

Dagmar:

In a moment I'll be able to do some testing to see if that's working like it's supposed to.

[08:51:15]

Dagmar:

Notably, in myththemedmenu.cpp, for some ungodly reason it's doing a glibc (I think) call to compare the submitted value to "ja". Nowhere else in the code is _German_ present like that

[08:51:32]

Dagmar:

...and to add to the insanity, there *is* a perfectly useable parseBool function.

[08:51:44]

Dagmar:

It's all crazy.

[08:51:47]

Dagmar:

It should *not* work.

[08:52:48]

Dagmar:

I figured somewhere in there the x and y coords were getting switched around, and the apparent madness was as a result of someone compensating for a bug they couldn't find instead of fixing it.

[08:53:03]

Dagmar:

So I was a little suprised to see it *still* working after I made the code more formally correct.

[08:53:50]

Dagmar:

I suck at C++, but I'm not an idiot, and it would be the like, nth language I've learned.

[08:55:33]

Dagmar:

I should start compiling this on the X2 proc to speed things along

[08:56:49]

esperegu:

Saluton

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Dagmar:

I would, however, just settle for the new functions to work like I want them to.

[08:57:00]

esperegu:

what is the best way to configure my channels?

[08:57:11]

esperegu:

(tune & name etc)

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Dagmar:

That depends on where you are and what your TV service provider is

[08:57:31]

Dagmar:

If you're in the US and using pretty much anything, Zap2it would be the best way

[08:57:42]

Dagmar:

Outside of the US, I've no idea.

[08:57:57]

esperegu:

NL/Amsterdam... standard cable

[08:58:45]

jvs:

on my new install I keep getting these "codec not found" errors

[08:59:10]

jvs:

usually no problem, but this time these errors bring down the whole system

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esperegu:

I sometimes get logged out suddenly

[09:00:32]

KaZeR:

hey there.

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KaZeR:

Dagmar, just fyi, my problem was udev-103. i've upgraded it and now it works fine. Thanks for your help :)

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moox:

hi there. Does anybody have the MSI TV@nywhere PCI PLUS card working ?

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Dagmar:

KaZeR: Ahhh... Yes, unfortunately with the latest kernels you have to pay attention to the Changelogs and occasionally upgrade udev

[09:36:36]

pat_:

does the order of the list in http://pastebin.com/871055 matter?

[09:37:40]

pat_:

(I don't know much about programming, I'm trying to apply a diff... :)

[09:37:53]

pat_:

dinnertime...

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Dagmar:

If you're trying to apply a diff you should be using `patch`, not manually copying bits over.

[09:52:10]

pat_:

Dagmar: yeah, this one won't apply cleanly, and it is a two liner, I just need to know if the order is important.

[09:53:01]

Dagmar:

If it doesn't apply cleanly, then you probably shouldn't be messing around with it. It's likely that it's no longer applicable to the problem you have.

[09:53:06]

esperegu:

I get tv channels. Mythtv also finds a list of names. But they are not connected, I only get 'unknown' in the frontend. How should I do that?

[09:53:18]

esperegu:

fix that. ..

[09:53:30]

hads:

Either that it's just moved and patch can't handle it

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Dagmar:

Things have to move quite a ways before patchtool can't fuzz it's way around the change.

[09:55:40]

hads:

True, it's pretty good occasionally it gets confused though.

[09:56:22]

Dagmar:

hads: Do you have any experience dorking around with Myth's codebase?

[09:57:00]

hads:

Na, not a lot at all

[09:57:15]

Dagmar:

Ah but you've foolishly admitting to having some experience with it

[09:57:47]

hads:

Na, only digging through trying to figure bugs out that happen to crop up for me.

[09:57:56]

hads:

Quickly getting over my head :)

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KaZeR:

is there a way to encapsulate freqid and sourceid in xmltv? i didn't found anything relevant in the xmltv's dtd. it could be usefull imo..

[09:59:26]

pat_:

I'm down to these two lines...

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pat_:

http://pastebin.com/871067

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Dagmar:

pat_: Well, since you're obviously fishing for a fix, just copy the lines in there.

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Dagmar:

The worst it can do is screw up, and it's probably already not working like you want it to so I don't see how this would be backsliding

[10:00:21]

pat_:

Dagmar: well, it is

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pat_:

(working like I want that is)

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pat_:

I just thought the latest fixes would probably help in stability

[10:01:01]

Dagmar:

hads: See, the crazy thing is that I threw that stanza out and rewrote it using actual horizontal centering stuff, and it *still works like it's supposed to*

[10:01:16]

Dagmar:

I'm about to test the right-justification hack I added and see if it works

[10:01:22]

hads:

Dagmar: Hm... seems odd.

[10:02:27]

Dagmar:

hads: It looked to me like someone got their X and Y switched somewhere else and that was just to compensate, and I have *no* idea why it's comparing the string in German

[10:02:44]

Dagmar:

Nowhere else in the whole thing does any other German (or Swedish or whatever it is) show up

[10:02:55]

Dagmar:

Holy crap my hack worked

[10:03:00]

Dagmar:

http://blairhouse.homeip.net:88/foo.png

[10:03:17]

hads:

ja = Japan?

[10:03:26]

Dagmar:

Granted, I've got to go make it do the offsets reversed now, but it's right-justifying

[10:03:39]

hads:

Cool

[10:04:14]

Dagmar:

Aha

[10:04:24]

Dagmar:

You're probably right, but i don't think there's any themes that actually use that

[10:04:38]

Dagmar:

LIke, all the themes assume text runs horizontally, not vertically

[10:04:52]

Dagmar:

PLus there's a AlignAuto that should be handling that anyway

[10:06:22]

Dagmar:

I guess I'll keep that in mind and try not to break it then

[10:07:44]

hads:

Yeah, I'm not very up on the play with non-English languages myself.

[10:08:03]

Dagmar:

Aha. I think I don't acutally have to modify this code any more than I have

[10:08:18]

Dagmar:

Looking at the source all I should really have to do is set the <area> elemnent properly.

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Dagmar:

hads: Well, if you're displaying an LTR string, the AlignAuto should set AlignLeft or AlignRight depending on the language, which is why setting those explicitly is maybe not the greatest idea in the world

[10:09:29]

Dagmar:

If you're looking to protect (as in "not break") i18n efforts, AlignRight and AlignLeft are not your friends at all.

[10:10:11]

Dagmar:

...but I'm at a loss as to why Japanese would need vertical centering. I'm going to go with the "it didn't display right for someone, somewhere" option there.

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hads:

Yeah, you're probably right

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Changlinn:

hmm getting locked occasionally while scanning but still seems to time out

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Dagmar:

hads: damn I feel stupid that I misinterpreted that as something other than a locale check. Thanks

[10:13:32]

hads:

No worries, a second pair of eyes is all that's needed sometimes.

[10:14:21]

hads:

Took me 20 minutes to find a USB header on a board this morning – it was bright yellow and staring right at me :)

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Dagmar:

Whoops. Blank buttons

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** Dagmar looks at myththemedmenu.cpp again **

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Changlinn:

can I use dvbscan to test if it is the driver myth is using?

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Dagmar:

Yay for orthagonal design

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Ruleke:

lo folks :)

[10:18:24]

Dagmar:

<area> for text buttons isn't x,y,width,height

[10:18:28]

Dagmar:

@#$!$

[10:18:41]

Dagmar:

Well, I have right-justified buttons now.

[10:18:42]

Dagmar:

http://blairhouse.homeip.net:88/foo.png

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Dagmar:

Time to clean this up, make a proper patch, and submit the sucker

[10:21:39]

Dagmar:

Hell, I might as well add an explicit <vcentered> tag while I'm at it

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Changlinn:

if dvbscan gets tuning failed the whole way through is it I am not getting enough signal or wrong driver or what?

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Dagmar:

Hm... it's amazing the things you learn when you ask someone who actually knows spoken (and written) Japanese.

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** Dagmar hastily puts the lingua check back **

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hads:

heh

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** Ruleke wonders how the new xmltv "capabilities" thing changes stuff **

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Ruleke:

which branch was it in, anyone remember ?

[10:34:03]

hads:

xmltv "capabilities" thing?

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gbee:

it's in head

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gbee:

and it won't change much if you use a recent version of xmltv

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Ruleke:

well I don't

[10:35:13]

Ruleke:

that's the point

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hads:

Ah, over here we use the --file option

[10:35:27]

Ruleke:

I use a seperate grabber, I sent the patch to support it

[10:35:37]

Ruleke:

ic

[10:36:06]

Ruleke:

I want to create a new patch for a new grabber in myth, obsoleting the 2 old ones

[10:36:13]

Ruleke:

so I was wondering :)

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gbee:

Ruleke: you'd do better to change the grabber to be xmltv complient

[10:36:22]

Ruleke:

it is

[10:36:38]

Ruleke:

It's just old and I will no longer maintain it

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gbee:

then you won't have a problem ;)

[10:36:49]

Ruleke:

so will switch to a new one, merged in xmltv

[10:37:06]

Ruleke:

which means I want to change the script that is called from the mythtv-setup gui

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gbee:

the point of using the "capabilities" was so that we didn't need to modify the mythtv source every couple of months to support another new grabber

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Ruleke:

just thought I'd read that this part would change, no longer needing to patch in support for every individual grabber or so, as long as you support --capabilities

[10:37:51]

Ruleke:

well exactly

[10:38:06]

Ruleke:

but still to patch it for a new source right ?

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gbee:

no, don't even need to do that

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Ruleke:

ah that was my question :)

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gbee:

we use tv_find_grabbers (from xmltv) to find installed grabbers

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Ruleke:

how's the source selected then

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Ruleke:

ah great

[10:39:01]

Ruleke:

perfect

[10:39:34]

Ruleke:

I should check head then to see what is left of my out-of-xmltv-tree grabber support

[10:40:00]

Ruleke:

I suppose it was just removed :)

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Changlinn:

it was my antenna, ran a lead to our main one and dvbscan gets channels

[10:41:45]

Ruleke:

still wondering what the cleanest way is to have an analog/dvb combination setup for common channels... 2 different sources and matching the channum for identical channels should be sufficient, was wondering if you can just fill in the xmltvid and freqid etc in the channels db though :)

[10:42:11]

gbee:

we require grabbers support the basic capabilities – baseline and manualconfig

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Ruleke:

yeah I got that, i'm just not sure that it would be listed in a tv_find_grabbers

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gbee:

that's not really any different from how it used to be – just they have names now

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Ruleke:

never checked how that works

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gbee:

Ruleke: if it's in PATH, starts tv_grab_ and supports --capabilties and --description then it will be listed by tv_find_grabbers

[10:43:50]

Ruleke:

perfect

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Ruleke:

so even the old one will still work

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Ruleke:

gah, the mythfilldatabase --manual mixed up "callsign" and "channum"

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** Changlinn running mythfill for the last time before starting myth **

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Changlinn:

excited

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Changlinn:

now to find remote and get it working

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esperegu:

grrrrrrr.....

[10:58:06]

esperegu:

why won't this work

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Changlinn:

it can be a pain but oh so worth it

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Ruleke:

doh. It wants to record from both sources, analog and digital at the same time... help ?

[11:02:10]

KaZeR:

i see people here talking about xmltv. i have a question for you guys :)

[11:02:16]

KaZeR:

is there a way to encapsulate freqid and sourceid in xmltv? i didn't found anything relevant in the xmltv's dtd. it could be usefull imo..

[11:03:15]

KaZeR:

the point is that when you import a new channel with mythfilldatabase, it is ready to use. usefull for external receivers and so, where the freqid don't change depending of your localization

[11:05:54]

Ruleke:

KaZeR: so where would that information come from ?

[11:07:23]

Ruleke:

Ah it seems the "callsigns" is the identifier... gah

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esperegu:

how can I delete a channel??

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Ruleke:

esperegu: 'd' ?

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KaZeR:

Ruleke, could be from the grabber for example. I'm thinking for example of the satelitte we receive in france. channels are fixed.

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esperegu:

Ruleke, jes. thx

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esperegu:

Ruleke, I was pressing 'del' like hell ;-)

[11:11:20]

Ruleke:

:)

[11:11:35]

Ruleke:

KaZeR: where would the grabber get it from ?

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Dagmar:

Ruleke: Do you know C++?

[11:11:40]

KaZeR:

instead of having everyone setting 400 channels, it would help if it could be automatically imported with the channels

[11:11:52]

Dagmar:

I need to be somewhat sure I'm not doing something dangerous here.

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Ruleke:

Dagmar: C+1 ? :)

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KaZeR:

Ruleke, one time setup?

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Ruleke:

KaZeR: it does so for DVB... 400 analog channels still ? seriously ?

[11:12:55]

KaZeR:

not analog. it use an external receiver

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KaZeR:

i'm using a custom grabber in which these informations could be really easily added. the question is how will mythtv deal with them ?

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Dagmar:

Ruleke: No seriously, man. This is a real simple issue, but it depends on someone knowing the fundamentals of variable vivification, which WRT to C++, I do not know jack

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gbee:

Dagmar: ask your question, someone here will probably be able to answer it

[11:14:20]

Dagmar:

Ruleke: If I invoke something like varname = varname & value; if varname was declared but never set, is this thing going to explode?

[11:14:48]

Dagmar:

I could just compile the thing and then try it to see if it works, but that'll take about 40 minutes and I'd rather fix it now before that happens. ;)

[11:15:26]

Dagmar:

I'm mainly concerned that possibly varname might not have actually had space allocated to it yet, so something nutso might happen

[11:17:12]

Dagmar:

I'm having to contend with that someone might have used the <centered> element and try to also use the new <halign> element I'm adding.

[11:17:17]

Dagmar:

Code sample is sitting at http://pastebin.ca/332890

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qu0zl:

Dagmar, if you haven't assigned anything to textflags before anding it in that statement you need to

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Dagmar:

Hmm...

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qu0zl:

if it's part of a structure then c++ doesn't guarantee to null it for you, or anything, it'll be random memory content unless you memset the size of the structure to zero

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Dagmar:

I guess I'll move Qt::WordBreak up and assign that as the inital value then.

[11:20:10]

qu0zl:

if it's part of a class, then it'll also be random unless there's a constructor that sets it

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Dagmar:

qu0zl: Thanks muchly, that's exactly what I wanted ot know

[11:20:18]

qu0zl:

np

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Dagmar:

Ack.

[11:21:34]

Dagmar:

Hmmm...

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Dagmar:

Would isNull be useful for detecting whether or not I'm about to do something naughty?

[11:22:57]

Dagmar:

I just realized that I'm going to have to check, no matter what

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Dagmar:

If just halign were being set, I would be fine initializing textflags as Qt::WordBreak, but otherwise it would clobber any previous <center> or <valign> attributes that were set.

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qu0zl:

Dagmar, i'd probably set the textflags value to zero wherever you create or reset that attributes structure

[11:24:52]

qu0zl:

then you're guaranteed when it gets to here it's eitehr sensibly set to zero, or is no longer zero because you've added some new flags to it

[11:25:23]

qu0zl:

or 1, or whatever your default state is

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Dagmar:

I'm going to invoke attributes.textflags.isNull() at the top of the section

[11:26:04]

Dagmar:

...and then just set attributes.textflags to Qt::WordBreak, since that gets set in every case.

[11:26:36]

Dagmar:

I haven't foudn where the thing is actually created, so I don't know what it's set to.

[11:26:41]

Dagmar:

Maybe if I'm lucky I can find that

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LabMonkey:

great

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qu0zl:

:)

[11:27:03]

LabMonkey:

lirc just up and stopped working

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LabMonkey:

when I upgraded

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Dagmar:

Looks like it's not being set to anything where it's being created at line 35 of myththemedui.cpp

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gbee:

probably a struct, it'll be in the header

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gbee:

heh, ok then

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esperegu:

this channel configuration really stinks =)

[11:31:03]

gbee:

in what way?

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esperegu:

is there a way to list the channels in viewing mode?

[11:31:27]

esperegu:

gbee, that all programs are showing the content ok except for mythtv ;-)

[11:32:02]

esperegu:

poor quality and lots of the channels show noice onli

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Dagmar:

gbee: You can set an initial value in a C++ struct, right? Googling isn't showing me any examples of that being done.

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gbee:

ahh, analogue – don't know much about that :)

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Dagmar:

Whoops. G++ sez ISO C++ forbids that.

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gbee:

no

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gbee:

ahh, you've found that

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Dagmar:

This is why I like perl.

[11:40:38]

Dagmar:

You don't have to be picky about this.

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Dagmar:

Stuff gets evaluated just because it's in-between a couple of semi-colons, be it backwards, forwards, sideways, or peered at between cautiously parted fingers in a state of panic.

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esperegu:

I really wonder how the average user will be able to use mythtv :-(

[11:42:46]

gbee:

it's occassionally frustrating when you do something simple, like defining a struct and setting some default values in the same place

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gbee:

esperegu: how are you adding the channels? scanning or importing?

[11:43:37]

gbee:

s/you do/you can't do/

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Dagmar:

gbee: Yeah, I tested it by making up a struct by itself in a file and throwing it at g++, which told me in no uncertain terms that's a "NO"

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esperegu:

gbee, I tried many things

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esperegu:

I currently even trying to add the frequencies manually but that sucks

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gbee:

esperegu: the only thing I can think of (not having or ever using an analogue card) is that the frequencies are off

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esperegu:

how can you fix thatL

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gbee:

otherwise there shouldn't be any difference between mythtv and those other programs – they all access the card in the same way

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gbee:

esperegu: I don't know – scanning should pick the best frequencies, clearly that's not working for you – importing known working frequencies _should_ work

[11:48:08]

gbee:

I'm probably giving you very bad advice here – you need someone who uses analogue cards

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esperegu:

gbee, how can you easely select between the different channels?

[11:49:38]

gbee:

all I can say is that not many people have those sorts of problems

[11:49:50]

esperegu:

like some overview? pressing up and down doesn't work well

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gbee:

in mythtv-setup?

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esperegu:

noo.. in the frontend

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gbee:

using the guide?

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jduggan:

hmm, when doin software raid, is it normal to create two partitions on each disk and raid the partitions individually, or add both whole disks to the raid and partition the md0 device

[11:51:08]

gbee:

iirc 's' is the default binding

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esperegu:

gbee, how can you activate that?

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gbee:

or goto schedule recordings, programme guide

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esperegu:

(I am like seeing a channel and want to be able to switch easy)

[11:53:04]

gbee:

either enter the channel number, press S to bring up the programme guide or use the channel browsing OSD (up/down)

[11:53:42]

gbee:

does someone want to confirm the default binding for the programme guide? it's been a long time since I first installed mythtv

[11:53:49]

esperegu:

gbee, thx!

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esperegu:

rebootin.. ;-)

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Dagmar:

It was only recently added, so I don't know what it is

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Dagmar:

afaik, you couldn't get straight there from liveTV with 0.19. It was added in 0.20

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gbee:

err, pretty sure it was there in 0.18

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gbee:

but I've been using SVN for so long that I'm not really sure what is/was in any version

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gbee:

the ability to get to the programme guide from recordings was added in 0.20, but I thought LiveTV has had that ability for much longer

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Dagmar:

http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/mythtv-0 . . . igntags.diff may or may not be sane.

[12:01:06]

Dagmar:

I'm trying to get it into my build script at the moment to see

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Captain_Murdoch:

Guide is S and it has been available for LiveTV for a while, I only (semi) recently enabled it for use during a pre-recorded program

[12:06:18]

juski:

fewer OSD options would be nice too ;)

[12:06:51]

Captain_Murdoch:

some people have the exact opposite idea. more OSD options means fewer keys need to be mapped.

[12:07:19]

juski:

maybe make the OSD more themeable

[12:07:33]

juski:

then users could choose how many options to show

[12:07:49]

juski:

I don't mind helping out with the xml for that

[12:08:37]

gbee:

I like the idea of having some lesser used options in the OSD menu, I can bind the regularly used stuff to remote buttons and still access the rest

[12:08:47]

Dagmar:

FINALLY the thing starts building

[12:08:53]

gbee:

but I agree that the OSD menu is getting crowded

[12:09:09]

gbee:

would be nice to remove stuff which I'll never use

[12:09:11]

Dagmar:

I've not had to add a patch to something in so long I forgot the proper arguments for applypatch() in my own damn build system. That's just sad.

[12:09:30]

Dagmar:

juski: If I didn't screw this up, you'll be able to have right-justified text on menu buttons for yer next theme.

[12:09:31]

Captain_Murdoch:

something like that is probably more a part of the multi-user project. user A can see menu options 1,2,3,4,5 while user B can only see 3, and user C can see 1, 3, and 4.

[12:09:45]

juski:

Dagmar: wooo.. (I think)

[12:09:55]

** Captain_Murdoch is gone, shouldn't be up this early anyway. **

[12:09:56]

Dagmar:

Well, this is still kinda ugly, but http://blairhouse.homeip.net:88/foo.png

[12:10:26]

Dagmar:

That's nowhere near properly tuned, but it at least gets the text on the right-hand side of the buttons

[12:10:50]

juski:

starting to look good

[12:10:52]

Dagmar:

I have a bunch of text labels to copy over this morning so I can get rid of all the icons

[12:11:04]

gbee:

looks fine to me (TV watermark is just temporary I hope?)

[12:11:19]

Dagmar:

Under "Main Menu" (which changes depending on what menu you're in) it's going to have white text giving a more verbose description about which menu item is highlighted.

[12:11:32]

Dagmar:

Then comes the hard part... figuring out what silly little graphics (if any) to stick in

[12:11:56]

juski:

you could do a Klingon translation ;)

[12:11:56]

Dagmar:

gbee: Yeah, the icon there is just temporary leftovers because I started with MythCenter as a template

[12:12:03]

jduggan:

hmm, what partition do i make a new disk that i want to add into a software raid array?

[12:12:09]

jduggan:

does it matter?

[12:12:14]

Dagmar:

juski: Actually, I know someone who "does" klingon fluently. I might be able to get him to help me on that

[12:12:21]

Dagmar:

He can speak and write it.

[12:12:26]

Dagmar:

...and he actually has other hobbies.

[12:12:28]

Dagmar:

heh

[12:12:46]

** juski has pondered doing a Geordie translation already **

[12:12:56]

Dagmar:

Geordie?

[12:12:56]

jduggan:

erm s/partition/partition file system/

[12:12:56]

juski:

'ok' == 'aalreet'

[12:13:05]

Dagmar:

Ohhh

[12:13:14]

Dagmar:

like en_RN (American Redneck)

[12:14:03]

Dagmar:

I'm guessing Geordie is a UK variant on Hillbilly?

[12:14:19]

juski:

I know people who would crucify you for saying that

[12:14:24]

juski:

it's a regional dialect

[12:14:35]

gbee:

not exactly, just a regional dialect

[12:14:48]

Dagmar:

So they're not Scots then.

[12:14:52]

Dagmar:

;)

[12:15:35]

gbee:

just south of there, round Newcastle upon Tyne, on the North East Coast

[12:15:50]

Dagmar:

Like the cannibal people on Torchwood?

[12:16:15]

gbee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geordie

[12:16:18]

Dagmar:

Ah

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juski:

I get called a Geordie at work, which I find annoying

[12:16:58]

juski:

thick Mancs :)

[12:18:14]

gbee:

heh, I'd find that really annoying

[12:18:32]

jduggan:

omfg

[12:18:39]

jduggan:

debian wont let me create software raid

[12:18:43]

jduggan:

i swear this installer is broke

[12:19:19]

Dagmar:

Ah, nowhere near Brecon then

[12:19:20]

Ruleke:

still ?

[12:19:22]

gbee:

no idea what accent I've ended up with, having moved around a lot when I was a kid – spent equal time in Rawtenstall, Cheshire and Surrey

[12:19:27]

Ruleke:

jduggan: did you get the rc ?

[12:19:33]

jduggan:

rc?

[12:19:38]

jduggan:

Dagmar: you live in brecon?

[12:19:41]

Ruleke:

release candidate

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gbee:

Dagmar: no

[12:19:54]

Dagmar:

jduggan: No, and I never et anyone either

[12:20:01]

Ruleke:

jduggan: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ works fine

[12:20:17]

Dagmar:

I was just trying to tie what juski said with some audible memory of the accent so I'd know what it's called

[12:20:34]

Dagmar:

Torchwood has a lot of different little Welsh and so forth dialects

[12:20:35]

Ztripez:

Ok, got the setup to work now.. but when i try to add a videosoruce and what xmltv to use.. it hangs at 50%

[12:20:41]

Dagmar:

Not just High Street

[12:20:47]

jduggan:

Dagmar: i come from very near brecon

[12:20:53]

jduggan:

not that i live in wales anymore

[12:21:00]

Dagmar:

jduggan: Did you see Countrycide then?

[12:21:28]

jduggan:

Ruleke: im using a hacked up version nof the rc installer, because our hardware requires chipsets only found in 2.6.18<

[12:21:36]

jduggan:

s/nof/of/

[12:21:38]

jduggan:

Dagmar: nope

[12:21:56]

Dagmar:

jduggan: It was filmed in the park. An "uninhabited village" turned out to be full of cannibals.

[12:22:34]

Ruleke:

jduggan: snapshot has 2.6.18

[12:23:39]

Ruleke:

jduggan: rc2 will have it too

[12:23:45]

jduggan:

Ruleke: got a link to rc2?

[12:23:56]

Ruleke:

not released yet

[12:24:03]

Dagmar:

I think I'm going to have a smoke while this builds.

[12:24:06]

jduggan:

snapshot then?

[12:24:10]

Ruleke:

jduggan: let me get the link

[12:24:14]

jduggan:

Ruleke: i hear the installer is currently broke?

[12:24:36]

jduggan:

oh, for static ips

[12:26:04]

Ruleke:

jduggan: it's on the main page

[12:26:18]

Ruleke:

jduggan: current issues : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today

[12:29:37]

jduggan:

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1 . . . -netinst.iso how do i know thats using 2.6.18 kernel?

[12:30:59]

changlinn:

eep

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gbee:

my ancestors originated in South Wales, but not sure precisely where – they moved to Lancashire, England where they work on the railways

[12:32:05]

gbee:

consider myself more Lancastrian than Welsh, even with the Welsh surname

[12:32:19]

purserj:

hmm, my ancestors come from wales, essex and devon

[12:32:42]

changlinn:

I know I shouldn't have done this, but in following one of the guides on the net I did a useradd to ad mythtv instead of using the graphical util in ubuntu, which meant I couldn't set the mythtv user to auto login, so after I had done my myth setup I did a user del and then logged in as another user and added the mythtv user using the graphical util, now I can't connect to the database

[12:33:00]

changlinn:

purserj: mine from wales as well, ponterdowy

[12:33:16]

changlinn:

anyone got any ideas on a quick fix?

[12:33:33]

purserj:

Not sure where my grandad is from, I think south wales around cardiff

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juski:

changlinn: copy mysql.txt to the user's .mythtv directory, within that user's home dir

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juski:

ahh fack.. " Manchester wins super-casino race"

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jduggan:

Ruleke: i dont see anywhere on that link that mentions the running kernel?

[12:34:59]

Ruleke:

you can see the image being built in the logs

[12:35:07]

changlinn:

haven't got them in any of the home dirs, I took a backup of the original mythtv users home dir

[12:35:08]

changlinn:

locate mysql.txt

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changlinn:

/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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changlinn:

/usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt.dist

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changlinn:

/usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt

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gbee:

well in reality I've got ancestors from all over the place if I go back far enough, most on my Dad's side were from the North (Lancs, Yorkshire, Cheshire, Cumbria) whilst on my Mum's side they were all from the South London, Surrey, Somerset etc

[12:35:55]

gbee:

juski: bad luck

[12:36:25]

changlinn:

still can't connect to db, copied to home dir /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[12:36:35]

juski:

I was hoping blackpool was gonna win it.. keep the filth there

[12:36:36]

gbee:

wouldn't wish that fate on anywhere, particularly a city like Manchester which I've got connections to

[12:36:49]

jduggan:

Ruleke: aah ok

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juski:

gbee: maybe it's fitting since Manchester is more or less the sex tourist capital of Europe.. can't remember where I read it but there are more brothels per sq. mile than anywhere else apparently

[12:37:49]

changlinn:

hrmm

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Dagmar:

changlinn: Where is your database?

[12:38:03]

Dagmar:

juski: Sounds like a fun town

[12:38:06]

changlinn:

all on this server

[12:38:11]

changlinn:

127.0.0.1

[12:38:25]

gbee:

really? had no idea

[12:38:39]

qu0zl:

you what Juski? I didn't know that was legal in englang?

[12:38:47]

gbee:

it's not

[12:39:05]

qu0zl:

heh, and yet they still top europe. Nice job ;)

[12:39:13]

Dagmar:

changlinn: That's your mistake then. If you specify an IP address, it will try to connect over a TCP socket. If you specify it as "localhost" it will use a Unix socket, which doesn't go through the networking stack

[12:39:18]

gbee:

but they'll turn a blind eye generally because it means they aren't on the streets

[12:39:31]

juski:

they advertise in the local paper, very transparently

[12:39:35]

Dagmar:

changlinn: Most distributions ship their MySQLd packages with networking *disabled* for security/safety reasons

[12:39:49]

juski:

'lady jane health studio' etc.. 24 hour massage

[12:39:59]

Dagmar:

changlinn: Just change the IP address in mysql.txt to "localhost" and it should start working

[12:41:29]

juski:

I should work for the Manc tourist board!

[12:41:43]

juski:

come to manchester, get wet. go inside & get wet

[12:42:12]

changlinn:

whats the database usually called?

[12:42:14]

juski:

it's Brighton I pity. apparently it rains more there

[12:42:18]

juski:

changlinn: mythconverg

[12:42:40]

jduggan:

so when doing software raid, does one usually leave a blank disk and format the partitions on /dev/md0 or add individual partitions to seperate md devices?

[12:43:04]

Dagmar:

jduggan: It's kinda pointless to partition the disks before creating the raid virtual disk

[12:43:11]

jduggan:

Dagmar: agreed

[12:43:15]

Dagmar:

...mainly because you're going to have to go and partition the virtual device anyway.

[12:43:40]

Dagmar:

The only reason you'd want to partition the bare disk is if you're not going to use all of it because you're using LVM to span parts of various disks together.

[12:43:49]

jduggan:

do you just have md0 and the partitions are done on that

[12:43:55]

jduggan:

rather than have md1/2/3 etc

[12:44:05]

Ruleke:

I have seperate md's per 'partition'

[12:44:19]

Ruleke:

because /boot cannot be on raid5

[12:45:02]

Dagmar:

Hmm.... attributes.textflags.isNull() is going to be valid, I hope?

[12:45:17]

Ruleke:

also, you might consider having md on partitions because of the "raid autodetect" magic partition number :)

[12:45:31]

changlinn:

yeah it was localhost to start with

[12:45:49]

changlinn:

but there doesn't appear to be a mysql.txt in the original profile

[12:46:59]

Dagmar:

changlinn: It's created when you run mythtv-setup the first time

[12:47:20]

changlinn:

yeah well it wasn't in the user profile I created

[12:47:24]

Dagmar:

If you're thinking you might have missed it, use `find /usr /etc -name mysql.txt`

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Dagmar:

changlinn: mythtv-setup sticks it in $HOME/.mythtv/mysql.txt

[12:48:11]

Dagmar:

There's a rather sizeable search path the frontend and backend use to look for it tho'

[12:48:21]

changlinn:

ahh it put it /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[12:48:34]

changlinn:

password was different...

[12:48:42]

Dagmar:

It looks in (unless it's changed since 0.19) /usr/local/share/mythtv /usr/share/mythtv /etc/mythtv /usr/local/etc/mythtv $HOME/.mythtv

[12:49:36]

Dagmar:

I have a somewhat convoluted set of routines in my init script that reads it in order to run mysqlcheck on the database before starting the backend.

[12:49:59]

Dagmar:

I've yet to find a satisfactory way to do the same trick against the database 'mysql' that contains the authentication data

[12:50:00]

changlinn:

now it says it can't connect to the mythbackend

[12:50:03]

changlinn:

it is running

[12:50:18]

changlinn:

get an odd error if I do a restart

[12:50:25]

Dagmar:

What error?

[12:50:26]

changlinn:

Restarting MythTV server: mythbackendNo /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed.

[12:50:32]

Dagmar:

Well, if it's not running...

[12:50:35]

jduggan:

Ruleke: i dont understand that raid autodetect magic partition number?.. if i add 2 partitions on each disk (swap and /) of the same size and create them as type 'physical volume for raid' i get the same problem when creating md device

[12:50:40]

gbee:

then it's not running ...

[12:50:47]

Dagmar:

Just tell me you're not seeing a squirrely session error when you try to start the backend

[12:50:50]

changlinn:

/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

[12:50:50]

changlinn:

mythbackend already running, use restart instead.

[12:51:10]

gbee:

ps -A

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Dagmar:

Yay ubtnut

[12:51:18]

gbee:

or even better ps -A | grep myth

[12:52:23]

gbee:

try starting it manually to begin with, make sure it's not dying due to some error

[12:52:44]

Dagmar:

That's the third person tonight with the Ubuntu brokenness

[12:52:49]

fryfrog:

jduggan: sorry to come into the middle of this, but what are you trying to do? Setup raid during install of Ubuntu?

[12:53:01]

jduggan:

fryfrog: yea, cept debian

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changlinn:

gbee: kill the mythbackend?

[12:53:36]

fryfrog:

jduggan: ah, using the ncurses installer? I assume it is almost identical to Ubuntu's and I was able to setup a RAID1 broken mirror just fine, it was a *bit* confusing at first

[12:53:38]

gbee:

kill it, if it's running, then start it manully by typing "mythbackend"

[12:54:10]

gbee:

just check that no errors are shown etc

[12:54:14]

jduggan:

fryfrog: i want a simple root partition and a swap partition over both disks (ie the root and swap are in the raid)

[12:54:15]

fryfrog:

I *think* you start by creating the partitions you want (I just made / and swap), then setting them to the "fd" *(raid) partition type

[12:54:22]

changlinn:

Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting.

[12:54:30]

jduggan:

fryfrog: with cfdisk?

[12:54:41]

fryfrog:

no, just with the tool they provide

[12:54:47]

fryfrog:

damn, it has been to long :/

[12:54:48]

gbee:

there's your problem

[12:54:50]

jduggan:

fryfrog: because the curses installer only gives me the option of 'physical volume for linux raid'

[12:55:01]

Dagmar:

changlinn: You left the *other* stuff in mythtv-setup as 127.0.0.1, right?

[12:55:04]

fryfrog:

jduggan: it was easy, once i realized it

[12:55:13]

changlinn:

Dagmar: nope

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fryfrog:

jduggan: where does it give you that option? After you create a parition?

[12:55:20]

Dagmar:

changlinn: Okay, go back and change it

[12:55:30]

jduggan:

fryfrog: yea for the filesystem type

[12:55:36]

fryfrog:

i *think* once you create the "phsycial volume for linux raid' you'll get a new menu that says something like "setup md0

[12:55:44]

Dagmar:

chanlinn: The exception for the use of 'localhost' only applies for things attaching to the MySQL server.

[12:55:57]

changlinn:

but I'll run the mythsetup

[12:56:23]

fryfrog:

just play around with it a bit, it took me a few minutes to get it right but once i understood how their install er worked it wasn't to hard

[12:56:40]

Dagmar:

changlinn: Mainly just just leave almost everything (except for tuners and channels of course) at the defaults when you run mythtv-setup if you've just got everything running on one server

[12:56:43]

jduggan:

fryfrog: yeap, when i try doing that i get a red screen saying no free space on device

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Dagmar:

s/just just/you just/;

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fryfrog:

jduggan: have you tried searching googlea

[12:57:07]

fryfrog:

?

[12:57:16]

jduggan:

yea

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changlinn:

Dagmar: thats what I did, and it was working, till I decided to userdel the user I set it up under

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jduggan:

i might just install it on sda as usuall and build the array afterwards coz this is stupid

[12:57:37]

Dagmar:

changlinn: Ahhh...

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fryfrog:

the only thing i can think of doing is firing it up in vmware and seeing it

[12:58:06]

fryfrog:

jduggan: it is a *much* bigger pain in the ass to do it *after*

[12:58:23]

fryfrog:

can you msg me the link to the iso you are using?

[12:58:38]

changlinn:

netstat -ap|grep 6543 tcp 0 0 *:6543 *:* LISTEN 23855/mythbackend

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Dagmar:

changlinn: Okay, so the backend is running

[12:59:35]

changlinn:

ahh killed 23855 and now mythbackend works

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jduggan:

fryfrog: its a modified rc3 sarge installer that uses a 2.6.18 kernel created by a colleague of mine

[13:00:07]

jduggan:

all thats different is the kernel

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changlinn:

thankyou all

[13:00:56]

changlinn:

all good now...

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changlinn:

night

[13:02:21]

pat_:

done, and done... softpad diffs against latest mythtv & mythplugins 0.20 fixes rev 12674

[13:02:24]

pat_:

http://www.panic.id.au/softpad/

[13:02:38]

pat_:

goodnight, bedtime now

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: you should get gar-minimyth from svn. it contains a lot of fixes. there's also a test tarball that contains a svn snapshot, but using svn has other benefits so it'd definitely use that.

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jduggan:

fryfrog: still here?

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fysa:

is mplexid only used to reference the dtv_multiplex table? or does the number mean something else too?

[13:14:21]

gbee:

fysa: not aware of any additional meaning

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jduggan:

fryfrog: the installer says 'no unused partitions of the type "linux raid autodetect" are available, please create a partition or delete a partition thats already used.. except ive created a whole partition with no mount points of the type 'linux raid autodetect'

[13:22:22]

kambei:

Anyone have a firm understanding of modelines?

[13:24:09]

Changlinn:

hmm when I try and watch tv after a reboot it is now saying mythtv is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected?

[13:24:26]

fysa:

I just can't get these two channels to work for some reason.

[13:24:51]

kambei:

Changlinn: Is it recording?

[13:25:26]

Changlinn:

nope

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Dagmar:

Okay. Two failures later...

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Dagmar:

Bleh

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Changlinn:

oh well try later

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Ruleke:

hmm so what does the freqid field take ? Mhz ? kHz ? Hz ? channel code ?

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gardengnome:

Ruleke: it's either a "channel code" or frequency in kHz i believe.

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Ruleke:

channel code is non-uniform in documentation, prefer the frequency

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fryfrog:

jduggan: oops, sorry i went afk a bit :p

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Captain_Murdoch:

Dagmar, keep in mind that themes need to be 800x600 or 1280x720 for widescreen.

[13:38:36]

Ruleke:

jduggan: iirc you really need to save the partition table or something before it's picked up

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Captain_Murdoch:

or was that a screenshot? :)

[13:42:31]

Dagmar:

Captain_Murdoch: That was a screenshot

[13:42:38]

Dagmar:

I'm *way* past having to worry about stuff like that

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Dagmar:

I've even gone to the trouble of making sure none of the borders on my boxes land on pixels that become stretched more than 50% if the screen is in 1024x768

[13:43:38]

Ruleke:

hmm when using analog/digital mix of channels from 2 sources (xmltv and eit) with the same callsign, they are correctly collapsed in the program guide, but I wonder which program information is shown... iet or xmltv or the last update ?

[13:51:49]

Captain_Murdoch:

Dagmar: cool, I like the look of it so far.

[13:52:18]

Dagmar:

I'm having some issues with making a patch to have menu button text right-justified, but I think I've gotten past it

[13:52:26]

Dagmar:

If I actually knew C++ this would probably be a lot easier.

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Dagmar:

If this builds I'm just going to go submit the diff against the enhancement ticket I put in trac yesterday

[13:54:36]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: are you looking for klingon words? i've got a dictionary

[13:54:57]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: I've actually got a long-time geek friend in Texas I can call on who *knows* Klingon

[13:55:18]

Dagmar:

He made it his hobby for awhile, complete with audio tapes for diction and etc

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Dagmar:

The bonus there is that since he's a code geek, he'd actually stand a chance of being able to populate the strings to do the locale

[13:55:58]

Beirdo:

how do you say "loser" in Klingon?

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Beirdo:

heh :)

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Beirdo:

that's an obsession, I tell ya ;)

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gardengnome:

beir'do

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** gardengnome runs **

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Beirdo:

hehe.. doubt it

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Dagmar:

Yeah but the fun thing here is seeing how many obsessed trekkies will come out of the woodwork on this

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** gardengnome is not an obsessed trekki ;) **

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Dagmar:

I might be able to score another roomful o' chickies at the next Dragon*Con. ;)

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Dagmar:

I dont' care if they're painted green as long as they're hot and will dance for me on demand. ;)

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gbee:

lol

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Ruleke:

edible paint eh :)

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Dagmar:

I don't know that I'd be putting these women in my mouth, personally.

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gbee:

I just like it as a very different theme to anything I've yet seen

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Ruleke:

aww

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Dagmar:

"Con sluts" in my opinion, are meant for topical use only.

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Dagmar:

gbee: I am somewhat s*d*mizing the festering corpse of i18n efforts with this one because a lot of text is just graphical buttons, but I have a response ready for those people.

[14:03:18]

Dagmar:

"In Star Trek, everyone from Earth speaks English. Learn it."

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gardengnome:

huh? in my star trek, everyone speaks german. that's weird.

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tfm:

;)

[14:04:20]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: Do they redo the graphics on the ship displays in German?

[14:04:43]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: no, they can't be that braindead

[14:05:21]

Dagmar:

I'm doing up most of the rest of the text labels while this compiles. Rather tedious work.

[14:09:31]

rsdvd:

gardengnome : I started the minimyth build – and it keeps crashing out of make :-(

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: what's the error message?

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: it took me some time to get it to compile too :(

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fysa:

if frequency 627000000 is as high as I need to grab, a cheapo 5–950MHz amplifier should work, right?

[14:17:09]

gbee:

Dagmar: ahh, but English English or that bastardised American version?

[14:17:26]

Dagmar:

I can spell things with superfluous u's if you'd like.

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gbee:

:)

[14:18:00]

Dagmar:

We can even remove all the vowels and pretend to be Welsh

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gbee:

actually main ones for mythtv are programme (not program), film (not movie) and one more that I can't remember right now :)

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gardengnome:

"erotic art" (not pr0n)

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Ruleke:

"fiction" not news

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Ruleke:

oh sorry that's fox only ;)

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rsdvd:

sorry gardengnome – went to get my dinner!

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: are you building as root?

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rsdvd:

Ihad to – there were too mant 'permission denied' messages

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Dagmar:

heh

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** rsdvd knows I shouldhave fixed the permsissions instead – but I am lazy **

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Dagmar:

Oh lovely

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Dagmar:

I bet you got some errors up above that

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Dagmar:

...but provided you don't ever intend to read the man pages you can just touch the file it wants

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Dagmar:

rsdvd: chown -R uid .

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Dagmar:

...although building as root is not that terrible a thing to be doing

[14:25:08]

rsdvd:

Dagmar – I did a chown – but I still got permision problems

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: you can also re-do that checkout as a normal user. ;)

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** gardengnome has got a fast connection and is lazy.. **

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: i've never seen that error so far.

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Dagmar:

rsdvd: find . -exec chmod u+rw {} ;

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Dagmar:

gardengnome; I'm guessing he's skipped doctools or missed some dtds

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Beirdo:

might wanna add a -type f

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rsdvd:

Dagmar : I touched the missing file and it stops at the same error

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Beirdo:

unless you wanna chmod the dirs too

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Dagmar:

Beirdo: nothing wrong with making directories rw as well

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Dagmar:

rsdvd: Touch it in the right directory maybe?

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: dunno. gar-minimyth is supposed to take care of everything.

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Beirdo:

heh, might end up with a security risk, but it's not my system :)

[14:27:35]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: ok. you can cd /home/phil/gar-minimyth/gar-minimyth/script/lib/fontconfig/ and use make clean; make build to reproduce your error and fix it

[14:27:55]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: that's a dirty hack. if he'll ever need to rebuild it'll fail again ;)

[14:27:59]

Dagmar:

Not from the source directories you shoudln't.

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: Welcome to building FDO software

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: *shrug* works fine here ;)

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gardengnome:

actually, i can try to build fontconfig

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Dagmar:

There's lots of things they do which seem tiny, until you start fixing them and find you have to pull in twelve obscure DTDs, four XSL stylesheets no one's ever seen before, and a whole new version of libxml bindings for Mono

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juski:

gar build errors? I had plenty of those pesky permissions issues despite the doc saying to do stuff as non-root til a certain stage

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Dagmar:

On a "complete" system there'll never be a problem.

[14:29:42]

Dagmar:

On something stipped down like minimyth, good farking luck

[14:30:05]

Dagmar:

We were in hell over DTDs with Slackware trying to build Gnome for a looong time

[14:30:25]

Dagmar:

I'd still like to maybe take a swing at the people responsible for scrollkeeper

[14:30:49]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: gar-minimyth is a complete build system. it's supposed to be self-contained, kinda

[14:31:20]

juski:

gah why is the -dev list getting so full of cruft?

[14:31:36]

Dagmar:

Gar-stuff is highly dependent on the build environment.

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : that is what I thought! It started with a load of fails in preregesities

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juski:

users list for lame problems folks!

[14:31:43]

Dagmar:

Namely, you'd better be using Gar's machine.

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: well, you'll have to install the prerequisities, it can't ship with everything ;)

[14:32:45]

juski:

modify the scripty thingy to download them when you know what they are :)

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rsdvd:

I waited for it to fail and then installed what it failed on :-) – told you I was lazy

[14:33:21]

juski:

actually no, that's why I gave up on LFS – the links for sources were way out of date

[14:35:14]

juski:

well I need to be somewhere else

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juski:

ttfn

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fryfrog:

lfs + omgwow = gentoo :)

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gardengnome:

yep, gotta go as well. later

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rsdvd:

:-( was it something I said :-)

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fryfrog:

nah, you prolly just smell funny :)

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rsdvd:

lol

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** rsdvd reaches for the deodrant **

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Dagmar:

Perhaps it's using something to get rid of odr's that's the problem.

[14:38:33]

Dagmar:

You're buying that Chinese knockoff stuff

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rsdvd:

:-)

[14:43:58]

Dagmar:

You want something that gets rid of odors.

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Dagmar:

...or odours if your English.

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fysa:

is 24db too much gain for just amping QAM?

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Dagmar:

You can have too much gain?

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fysa:

beats me :)

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fysa:

Dagmar, you working on a new theme?

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Dagmar:

yep

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fysa:

how's it coming?

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Dagmar:

Okay I guess

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fysa:

is this going to be a theme that I could just update graphics for?

[14:46:31]

Dagmar:

I had to make a patch to the MythTV source for part of it

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fysa:

if I wanted to base a new theme off of it?

[14:46:44]

Dagmar:

Probably not.

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Dagmar:

I had to do weird things.

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Dagmar:

LIke, the elbo is a watermark, it's not actually the background

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fysa:

screenshots?

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Dagmar:

...because there doesn't seem to be any control over what gets used as a background for all the modal dialogs, and they wind up with an elbo splattered across them

[14:47:37]

Dagmar:

ACCESS LOCAL MUSIC AND VIDEO CONTENT

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Dagmar:

Doh

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Dagmar:

Wrong bugger

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fysa:

haha

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Dagmar:

http://blairhouse.homeip.net:88/foo.png

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Ruleke:

shout it baby

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Dagmar:

GOod thing that didn't come across in 36pt LCARS All Caps

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fysa:

hah, nice trek

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psm321:

Dagmar: i'm not too familiar with themes... will yours (once done, assuming youre going to share it) work with the "other" menu layout? (the one that has schedule recordings, watch tv, watch recordings, etc at the top level)

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Dagmar:

psm321: It *should*

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Dagmar:

...and yeah, I'm going to share the thing

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CanadianMan_:

hey guys i'm having problems with my tv-out

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gbee:

psm321: all the themes should work with any menu

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Ruleke:

CanadianMan_: use penicillin

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gbee:

I use a custom menu, as none of the default menus had stuff where I wanted it

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Ruleke:

CanadianMan_: that's a rather vague description

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Ruleke:

CanadianMan_: please use the channel instead of messaging me directly

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CanadianMan_:

i'm using dvi->component cables from my computer to my tv. When i turn on my computer i get a slight flickering of my desktop then nothing but a blue screen

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Ruleke:

flickering of your desktop ?

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CanadianMan_:

yeah like i see my desktop but it's like going sideways really fast then nothing but blue

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CanadianMan_:

like it's almost working but not quite

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Ruleke:

Idunno, sounds like modeline issues maybe ?

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fryfrog:

sounds like... ah, yeah that

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CanadianMan_:

what would modeline issue be?

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Ruleke:

it means you are sending the video in a way the tv can't handle

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fryfrog:

the settings for you rtv

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fryfrog:

refresh rate, dimensions, etc

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Ruleke:

most of the time it's refresh rates in combinations with resolution or the output type

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CanadianMan_:

ahhhhh ok

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Ruleke:

not sure what you should set it to, btw, dvi or component with a cable like that

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CanadianMan_:

gotcha

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Ruleke:

I'm assuming it works by converting DVI-A to component

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CanadianMan_:

dvi-a?

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Ruleke:

the analog part of the dvi connector

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CanadianMan_:

oh

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Ruleke:

don't have something like that myself :)

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CanadianMan_:

i haven't tried that

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Ruleke:

was thinking about getting that asus board that has one though

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CanadianMan_:

cool

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CanadianMan_:

is it similar to vga?

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qfour20:

Good morning, all. Is there a setting that would force a slave backend to not keep all of its recordings on his local filesystem? I don't want the slave recording to nfs slice, but I want all recordings to end up there.

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Ruleke:

yeah

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Ruleke:

it's how a dvi->vga connector works

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CanadianMan_:

gotcha

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Ruleke:

no matter, just fix the stuff you are output'ing

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CanadianMan_:

ok thank you

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CanadianMan_:

that would be done in xorg.conf correct?

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daviey:

OT: Does anybody here drive a celica?

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Ruleke:

yes

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jduggan:

Ruleke: still not sorted that raid issue yet :P, could it be that i havent formated the partition since i made it physical volume for raid>

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jduggan:

?

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Ruleke:

not to you daviey ;)

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fryfrog:

qfour20: why not just record right to NFS?

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daviey:

Ruleke, :(

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Ruleke:

jduggan: yeah I remember something like that

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fryfrog:

jduggan: you never did point me to the iso you are using, otherwise by now i probably could have vmware booted it and figured it out :p

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Ruleke:

I need a new motherboard

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qfour20:

fryfrog: I want to avoid having more network traffic going on than I need. Also, the box that hosts the NFS share is not exactly zippy.

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Ruleke:

or mythboard rather, as the one I want seems rather mythical

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fryfrog:

qfour20: i don't see how you can get it to record, then migrate to nfs :/

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fryfrog:

is the nfs server also a master / slave backend?

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SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: did you get the new libiec?

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qfour20:

nfs server is mysql box and master BE

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fryfrog:

I suppose in theory you could maybe use the multiple – recordings dir thing

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fryfrog:

SlicerDicer-: nah

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Ruleke:

fryfrog: I thought multibackend could do that :)

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fryfrog:

then, i *think* you could simply setup a cron to copy not-in use recordings to the nfs share in the bg

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fryfrog:

just a guess though :/

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Dagmar:

Damn

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Dagmar:

That compiled but didn't work

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qfour20:

guess I'd probabbly just be better off putting it on nfs

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qfour20:

but i'd really like to have all the files "hosted" by the master b.e. rather than some arrangement where the frontend contacts the non-master b.e. which fetches the files via nfs from the master b.e.

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Ruleke:

qfour20: erm wouldn't the frontend always contact the master BE anyway, because that's where the DB is ?

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Dagmar:

Buttons are all screwey now while I debug the code change, but http://blairhouse.homeip.net:88/foo.png now shows the subheadings

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Ruleke:

bah non-standard web ports...

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Dagmar:

It's easier than rmeembering to scp the thing to the service firewall

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Dagmar:

One sec

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Dagmar:

Ruleke: I copied it over. http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/foo.png

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Dagmar:

I clearely put the attribute.textflags = Qt::WordBreak in the wrong part of the loop just then

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Dagmar:

...but at least it didn't explode

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Dagmar:

http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/mythtv-0 . . . igntags.diff should maybe work like it's supposed to

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jduggan:

fryfrog: that iso is not online

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jduggan:

its just a regular sarge rc3 iso

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jduggan:

but hacked up with a 2.6.18 kernel instead

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jduggan:

apparently

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Ruleke:

I prefer the new installer

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Ruleke:

jduggan: did you try it ?

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jduggan:

Ruleke: i tried that latest etch, its using 2.6.17 kernel

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jduggan:

which wont boot from my chipset

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Ruleke:

bah

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Ruleke:

need rc2 then

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jduggan:

yea

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Ruleke:

strange story though... even with acpi=off ?

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jduggan:

yea

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jduggan:

its a common problem

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jduggan:

intel chipset

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jduggan:

on a core duo box

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Ruleke:

>=ich7 ?

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Ruleke:

doesn't find the CD ?

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jduggan:

kernels after 2.6.18 support it

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jduggan:

hence my colleague hacking up the sarge installer

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Dagmar:

Intel Core Duodenum

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jduggan:

Ruleke: yea wont find the cd

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Ruleke:

add libata.atapi=1

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jduggan:

to the bootstring?

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Ruleke:

actually, does 2.6.17 use libata already ?

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Ruleke:

yeah

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jduggan:

not sure

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Dagmar:

It does if you're using RedHat's version of it

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Ruleke:

if that fails, also add combined_mode=libata

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jduggan:

everything ive read suggest you *need* 2.6.18

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Ruleke:

alternatively, you can set your bios to 'both' or something like that

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Dagmar:

MOst people aren't going to be too happy about their IDE drives suddenly showing up over somewhere in /dev/sd* land

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Ruleke:

yeah well it's wrong

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Ruleke:

you can upgrade the kernel later though

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Ruleke:

then you don't need those

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jduggan:

yea

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jduggan:

well ima try formatting these partitions first

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jduggan:

see if that helps

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Ruleke:

I've had the same issue on 2 pc's

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Ruleke:

Dagmar: I'm very happy with it :)

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gbee:

heh, Bill Gates is apparently unaware of the saying "Quality not Quantity"

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juski:

that rings of so many other things in the world

[16:41:48]

gbee:

he's quoted as saying this morning that the strength of windows is that it has 10x more applications than any other platform

[16:41:53]

juski:

tv channels for example

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Dagmar:

lol

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Dagmar:

I suppose if you count trojans and malware as "applications"

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rsdvd:

juski : I spoke to Pablo and got past that error in minimyth – it is building again

[16:42:44]

juski:

is malware liek shareware?

[16:42:54]

Dagmar:

Sort of.

[16:42:58]

Dagmar:

It nags you less.

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: pablo is a nice fellow

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gbee:

hehe

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juski:

maybe we should marry trojans ;)

[16:43:38]

rsdvd:

gardengnome : I noticed – he replied within a few minutes

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gardengnome:

did you marry shareware?

[16:43:47]

juski:

pablo's on the ball ;)

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juski:

nobody shares my mrs.. I hope :-O

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: looks like i'll get to play with it tonight, too ;)

[16:44:06]

gardengnome:

juski: ouch

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : if you manage to get a workign filesystem – so let me know! then I can stop this 'banging my head on te wall'

[16:44:52]

juski:

has that english s100 wiki appeared yet?

[16:44:53]

gardengnome:

i'll have to set up the networking stuff in my virtual machien, though *scratches head*

[16:45:00]

gardengnome:

what english s100 wiki?

[16:45:14]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: i've already got a file system ,i just dont know if it works :)

[16:45:16]

juski:

the s100 wiki someone said he was gonna do when he realised my site wasn't around

[16:45:21]

gardengnome:

*shrug*

[16:45:25]

gardengnome:

dunno

[16:45:43]

Dagmar:

Man.

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gardengnome:

playing dumb for just one minute can save you one hour worth of work.

[16:45:49]

rsdvd:

gardengnome : surly it won't take long to see it the filesystsm works

[16:45:50]

Dagmar:

FileTransfer must be so lonely.

[16:46:06]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: true. but i'll need my VGA adapter and set up a tftp server.

[16:46:23]

juski:

I dont get it. folks whine when it's there (questions) & then they flipping whine when it's not there

[16:46:43]

Dr_willis:

juski, thats human nature.

[16:46:58]

rsdvd:

juski : you are 'damned if you do and damned if you don't'

[16:46:59]

Dagmar:

it's different people whining about different things.

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juski:

damn humans

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Dr_willis:

or the same person just whining about both things.. :)

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juski:

might take a break from the theming tonight

[16:48:15]

Dr_willis:

Themetastic!

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Dagmar:

You can please some of the people some of the time, and a few people all of the time, but there's never enough room under the house to hide the rest of the bodies.

[16:48:23]

juski:

almost all of ui.xml is done now :)

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juski:

someone else is on trying to make a 16:10 theme. wish them luck

[16:54:04]

Dagmar:

Wot's 16:10?

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niter3:

yawn***.. Might be a long long afternoon today. Hurray!

[16:54:23]

juski:

a common wide monitor aspect ratio

[16:54:45]

Dagmar:

Hrmm... I wouldn't call it all that common

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gbee:

pretty much the standard for laptops now

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juski:

wow the forums are getting a lot of hammer these days

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Dagmar:

FINALLY got the @#$@# patch working properly.

[16:56:19]

** gbee reaches for a catalogue to check that made up assertion **

[16:56:22]

Dagmar:

Okay. Hitting trac with it

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niter3:

Dagmar: Don't you love the feeling of accomplishment

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juski:

26 new posts since lunchtime on the forums

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niter3:

Dagmar: now give it to your computer.

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niter3:

:)

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Dagmar:

niter3: When I don't know squat about C++, definitely.

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** juski may be patching soon **

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Dagmar:

Lewk! Arbitrary label justification: http://blairhouse.homeip.net:88/foo.png

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niter3:

I get new couches. :)

[16:57:14]

juski:

to do : make the ui fade optional

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niter3:

hurray

[16:57:27]

juski:

to do: look into making the menu button move smoothly

[16:58:25]

juski:

wouldn't mind looking at making a watermark reduce in size & go up alongside the title :)

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juski:

Dagmar: 404

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Dagmar:

juski: The only way it can be 404 is if you're doing something very weird. I have been hitting shift-reload on that most of the morning long

[17:00:33]

Dagmar:

Maybe a transient nameserver failure

[17:00:46]

juski:

not worky here at work

[17:01:04]

Dagmar:

Prolly the non-80 port. Un momento, por favor, senor.

[17:01:39]

Dagmar:

juski: Try http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/foo.png

[17:02:04]

juski:

hey hey! nice work

[17:03:10]

Dagmar:

WTF

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Dagmar:

I could have sworn I put this in as an enhancement request the other day

[17:03:35]

juski:

pity this stuff won't pave the way for having a circular menu scheme too ;)

[17:03:47]

Dagmar:

Circular?

[17:03:51]

Dagmar:

Like, petals on a flower?

[17:03:56]

juski:

yeah

[17:04:49]

juski:

plenty folks heard "cool rotating stuff" when they were told about opengl coming to the UI

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Dagmar:

Messy

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juski:

I mean have all the text aligned the same way

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juski:

but along an arc

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psofa:

btw is the mythui api clean enough for someone to toy with?

[17:06:02]

juski:

kind of

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juski:

maybe for animation to really happen in themes we need to agree on how it should take place – define rules & theme elements for it & work from there

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psofa:

sounds cool :)

[17:07:19]

ShiftyPowers:

i love animation

[17:07:20]

ShiftyPowers:

:)

[17:07:26]

ShiftyPowers:

the MePo theme is cool

[17:07:30]

ShiftyPowers:

my wife loves the antenna dude

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juski:

I don't think I'll pay any heed to the MePo-wide style of animation

[17:07:36]

ShiftyPowers:

oh

[17:07:37]

ShiftyPowers:

sorry

[17:07:38]

ShiftyPowers:

:)

[17:07:47]

juski:

flipbook style

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juski:

PITA for theme creators

[17:07:58]

ShiftyPowers:

yeah

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ShiftyPowers:

i can see it's flipbook style

[17:08:14]

ShiftyPowers:

would incorporating flash be a pain?

[17:08:15]

ShiftyPowers:

i have no idea

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juski:

jesus

[17:08:22]

juski:

don't even go there

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psofa:

xD

[17:08:27]

ShiftyPowers:

aight

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Led-Hed:

Anyone here using a Deb (or Deb based) distro for MythTV? I need to get Ubuntu to shutdown from the MythFrontend exit menu.

[17:08:56]

Dr_willis:

using Knoppmyth – its debian based.

[17:09:07]

tha_toadman:

shutdown -h now — to shutdown the pc

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juski:

Led-Hed: just set up the shutdown command to the right one & make sure your user is privileged enough to do it

[17:09:13]

Dr_willis:

i thought it had a menu item under 'knoppmyth' to shut down the pc.

[17:09:24]

SlicerDicer-:

hey juski you had any experience with a recorded markup exploding then trying to repair it with HDTV videos?

[17:09:34]

juski:

if it's a backend machine you won't see the option to shutdown

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SlicerDicer-:

juski: I did a --rebuild on mythcommflag but its not rebuilding the HDTV

[17:09:39]

juski:

SlicerDicer-: nope

[17:09:42]

SlicerDicer-:

drat

[17:09:46]

Led-Hed:

I tried adding mythtv user to /etc/sudoers but no luck

[17:09:59]

GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: Is there a backend on that machine?

[17:10:06]

Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx: nope

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SlicerDicer-:

juski: yeah its saying that hdtv things are like 2 mins long lol makes commercial cutting impossible :/

[17:10:20]

GreyFoxx:

ok, so the option is visible, just not working

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Led-Hed:

the Exit & Shutdown button is there. But it only exits the Frontend and goes back to the Desktop

[17:10:43]

Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx: yes

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juski:

Led-Hed: you can customise the shutdown command

[17:10:54]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, it follows whatever shutdown command you define in the setup menus

[17:10:56]

Dagmar:

All better. http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3017

[17:11:13]

juski:

you can even edit the sudoers rules to make sure a sudo user can shutdown without entering a password

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SlicerDicer-:

err I only see that shutdown when I build mythtv wrong...

[17:11:33]

Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx: I've tried: halt, halt -p (Which works great in FC), shutdown -h now

[17:11:48]

GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: well in order to halt it needs root privs

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GreyFoxx:

so you can try making a shutdown script that runs as root

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juski:

Led-Hed: yo9u might need an exception in /etc/sudoers to enable it to do it without a password

[17:12:07]

Dr_willis:

or ya can go hard-core and suid the shutdown command. :)

[17:12:13]

Dr_willis:

but thats proberly not a good idea

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tha_toadman:

then when not use "sudo shutdown -h now" ?

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Dagmar:

consolehelper FTW!@

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Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx: I also tried: sudo halt

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juski:

Led-Hed: are you even reading what we're saying?

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Led-Hed:

juski: I added this to /etc/sudoers : mythtv ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /bin/halt

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juski:

ah right

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juski:

that *should* work

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Led-Hed:

juski: it doesnt.

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juski:

if indeed halt works in Umbongo

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juski:

I'm gonna fark orf home

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juski:

back in a bit

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Led-Hed:

it does from the command line, but still wants a password

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Dr_willis:

you may need to specificially set the root users password.

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Dagmar:

That means it's not matching the line you added

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Led-Hed:

Dagmar: what wouldnt match? The syntax seems correct, and I spelled the username right

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Led-Hed:

do I have to do something to re initialize sudoers?

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Led-Hed:

is it a daemon?

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Dr_willis:

not that i am aware of.

[17:18:29]

Dagmar:

nope, but is sensitive to real uid

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Led-Hed:

Dagmar: what do you mean?

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Led-Hed:

mythtv user UID = 1000

[17:25:09]

Led-Hed:

so that I can shutdown the PC from the MythFrontend Exit Menu.

[17:25:29]

Dagmar:

Damn comcast

[17:26:09]

Dagmar:

Why did you alter the perfectly good command you were given?

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Led-Hed:

because it didnt work. So I tried the Cmnd_Alias

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Dagmar:

Shoot your sudo binary

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Led-Hed:

Ya, I'm really close to just going back to FC6

[17:34:10]

Led-Hed:

Ubuntu is nice, but between the Shutdown, and NFS bugs it doesn't seem to be the best Distro for MythTV

[17:34:48]

gbee:

*sigh* why on earth do people keep paying over retail price (new) for second hand items on Ebay?

[17:35:28]

Led-Hed:

gbee: its the ebay phenomenon

[17:35:40]

Led-Hed:

no other way to explain it.

[17:36:17]

Led-Hed:

People get caught up in the bidding, and get personaly invested. The feeling of winning releases endorphins.

[17:36:18]

Dagmar:

Are you using vi to edit /etc/sudoers?

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Led-Hed:

Dagmar: visudo

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Led-Hed:

which seems to call 'joe'

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Led-Hed:

my prefered editor

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Dagmar:

Shoot your sudo binary

[17:38:29]

Dagmar:

I pasted that sudoers file into mine, screwed it up seven ways to sunday, it kept on working.

[17:39:00]

Dagmar:

Of course I replaced /bin/halt with /usr/bin/vi or if would have been a *phenomenal* pain in the ass to test, but there's nothing wrong with it

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Led-Hed:

Dagmar: and allowed the mythtv user to halt?

[17:39:40]

Dagmar:

It allowed the *dagmar* user to run /usr/bin/vi as root without a password.

[17:39:51]

Led-Hed:

Uggh.

[17:40:09]

Dagmar:

Type `whoami`

[17:40:29]

Led-Hed:

whoami returns mythtv

[17:40:47]

Led-Hed:

sudo whoami returns root

[17:40:50]

Dagmar:

Her'es an idea

[17:41:04]

Dagmar:

Do you get a response from `whereis consolehelper`?

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Led-Hed:

whereis consolehelper returns consolehelper:

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Dagmar:

Bummer.

[17:42:18]

Dagmar:

About all I can say is hassle the Ubuntu people about it

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Dagmar:

If you had the usermode package, you'd have consolehelper, which is more useful for this than freakin' sudo is.

[17:42:33]

Led-Hed:

I have been, no luck there either.

[17:42:54]

Dagmar:

The mythtv user has it's own, unique, uid, right?

[17:42:56]

Led-Hed:

I'll google consolehelper.

[17:43:04]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar: yes

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Led-Hed:

uid=1000

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monteslu:

Hey guys, building a new myth box on FC6. mythtvsetup seems to be incomplete or something. The first screen doesn't have any text, just an image of a wrench...Could I be missing some fonts or something?

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Led-Hed:

monteslu: are you installing from atrpms

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monteslu:

Led-Hed, yup

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Led-Hed:

monteslu: you did: yum install mythtv-suite

[17:44:15]

monteslu:

yup

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Dagmar:

Led-Hed: _Does_ the root account have a password set on it?

[17:44:32]

Led-Hed:

monteslu: what videocard and driver?

[17:44:37]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar: no

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monteslu:

Led-Hed, two pvr 150s. And they seem ok

[17:45:02]

Led-Hed:

monteslu: no, VideoCard

[17:45:08]

Led-Hed:

nVidia or ATI

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monteslu:

oops, sorry

[17:45:16]

monteslu:

nvidia with the legacy

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monteslu:

tnt2

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Dagmar:

Led-Hed: Hell, it can't hurt. Set one. It may well be that it requires the root password to exist

[17:45:21]

monteslu:

but that seems assed up

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Dagmar:

I don't know why it would be so in this case, but it might be

[17:45:35]

monteslu:

so I disabled the hardware acceleration

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Led-Hed:

monteslu: do you have the appearances set for OpenGL, or QT

[17:45:50]

monteslu:

Led-Hed, no idea. What's the default?

[17:46:07]

Dagmar:

monteslu: What X driver are you using?

[17:46:15]

monteslu:

Dagmar, back to "nv:

[17:46:19]

monteslu:

err nv

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Led-Hed:

oh, never mind then, that only applies to the nVidia Binary drivers

[17:46:40]

monteslu:

right, I gave up on the legacy driver

[17:46:45]

monteslu:

glxinfo would crash X

[17:46:45]

Dagmar:

Well, that card sucks so you might as well try "vesa"

[17:47:06]

monteslu:

Dagmar, it's not an inherently bad card. Used to play UT well

[17:47:28]

Dagmar:

*Shipping* is more than the card is worth now.

[17:47:30]

monteslu:

vesa is better than "nv" ?

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Led-Hed:

monteslu: what driver version

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monteslu:

latest legacy from livna

[17:47:43]

Led-Hed:

no, vesa is not better then nv

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Dagmar:

montslu: Probably so considering that the nv driver is apparently not working for you

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Led-Hed:

monteslu: no, what version. as in a number like 7184

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Dagmar:

A driver that WORKS will have value

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monteslu:

Led-Hed, lemme check. I'ts disabled right now

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monteslu:

but can't i just use 2D, until i get a newer card?

[17:48:44]

Dagmar:

7184 is the release of the driver that *should* work with that card

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Led-Hed:

yup

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Led-Hed:

monteslu: you need TV Out?

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Dagmar:

monteslu: Don't you dare say you're trying to use freaking 3D desktop stuff with that card

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Led-Hed:

or displaying on a Monitor?

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juski:

I have a 3d desktop. it's called a desk

[17:49:37]

monteslu:

just displaying to a monitor

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Led-Hed:

Dagmar: he never said he was using Compiz.

[17:49:55]

Led-Hed:

monteslu: then the 'nv' driver will be fine

[17:49:59]

Dagmar:

Led-Hed: Why *else* would he mention "2d"

[17:50:11]

Led-Hed:

because Video is 2D

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monteslu:

Compiz is for my workstation.. this is my myth-lamp-tomcat-asterisk-samba box

[17:50:27]

Dagmar:

So do I need to mention my Mozilla 2D browser works okay?

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monteslu:

I was just saying I'm not trying to use openGL for the frontend or setup

[17:51:05]

Dagmar:

There's no reason why a TNT2 *shouldn't* work unless the user is doing something only they consider reasonable, which everone else knows bettter.

[17:51:21]

Led-Hed:

I think he was saying that he didnt need the nVidia Binary driver because he was only plannin on using the card for 2D related tasks like Video

[17:51:22]

monteslu:

and I did have 7184 installed, but it didn't work on two different tnt2 cards

[17:51:31]

Dagmar:

monteslu: So, assuming for the moment you did not compile Riva Framebuffer support into your kernel... hint hint

[17:51:47]

monteslu:

Dagmar, nope

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Dagmar:

Led-Hed: You don't get XvMC without the binary driver.

[17:51:59]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar: true

[17:52:08]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar: but you dont need XvMc

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qu0zl:

hear hear

[17:52:16]

Dagmar:

monteslu; Okay because rivafb pretty much will never play well with the nVidia binary driver, and vice-versa. Just checking

[17:52:20]

monteslu:

I might have geforce2mx lying around somewhere

[17:52:31]

juski:

wonder how many cheap vga cards will be on the market with vister being lunched this week....

[17:52:32]

monteslu:

but what is that stopping me from running the setup app ?

[17:52:38]

Dagmar:

If using the VESA driver doesn't work, bin the card.

[17:52:55]

Dagmar:

Every TNT card will be VESA 2.0 compatible and should work with that driver

[17:53:02]

juski:

it's a small concession to make, spending $20 or so on a 'new' card

[17:53:16]

Led-Hed:

monteslu: I dont know. are you using the 'nv' driver?

[17:53:21]

Dagmar:

The TNT2's are so weak that it doesn't much matter whether you use nv or vesa for the driver for 2D stuff

[17:53:25]

monteslu:

Led-Hed, right now I am

[17:53:28]

niter3:

Dagmar: You don't need anything special for your vid cards. 3D rendering and such to output mythtv eh?

[17:53:33]

Led-Hed:

and you cant see the menus

[17:53:44]

Dagmar:

niter3: No, really? I never knew that

[17:53:58]

Dagmar:

Man why did I order that laser interocciter for my video card then

[17:54:02]

niter3:

I was asking, no ttelling

[17:54:16]

monteslu:

Led-Hed, I seem to be missing some menus

[17:54:27]

monteslu:

like the first one

[17:54:33]

Led-Hed:

monteslu: try the 'vesa' driver just for kicks

[17:54:34]

monteslu:

if I hit enter i get the next one

[17:54:34]

Dagmar:

niter3: MythTV doesn't do anything 3D. XvMC, when it's not completly bowbed up, is about the only way some machines are going to play back HD content, tho

[17:54:49]

monteslu:

Led-Hed, will do. Unfortuneately I'm vnc'd to the box from work

[17:54:50]

Led-Hed:

monteslu: what resolution are you running?

[17:54:52]

niter3:

Ahh, ok..

[17:55:00]

monteslu:

Led-Hed, 1024x768

[17:55:03]

Led-Hed:

monteslu: then driver doesnt matter

[17:55:03]

Dagmar:

monteslu: About hte only other thing I can suggest would be to pastebin your entire xorg.conf

[17:55:18]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar: he's running through VNC

[17:55:38]

Led-Hed:

the xorg driver doesnt matter then does it?

[17:55:39]

juski:

arghh no I've opened my bitmap editor & mythfrontend...

[17:55:40]

monteslu:

Dagmar, I'll just shitchan the tnt2. Probably will have the box in a place where I wan't anti-aliased super mario anyway

[17:55:46]

Dagmar:

WHAT?!

[17:55:49]

Dagmar:

BLeh

[17:55:56]

monteslu:

Led-Hed, I'm running through vnc NOW

[17:56:03]

Dagmar:

Dude, it's not going to work for beans

[17:56:04]

Dagmar:

hhe

[17:56:05]

monteslu:

not when I was trying to set it up last night

[17:56:17]

Dagmar:

You don't run Myth through VNC

[17:56:22]

monteslu:

I know that

[17:56:39]

monteslu:

i was just saying i'm not able to change to vesa right now

[17:56:47]

Dagmar:

ah

[17:56:50]

niter3:

So did you guys hear of the dvr p2p now?

[17:56:51]

Led-Hed:

actually you can, I've done it before to show a friens, but the framerate was super slow

[17:57:04]

juski:

niter3: no p2p will ever come to mythtv. NEVER

[17:57:22]

juski:

niter3: no arguing. no deal. no way

[17:57:51]

Dagmar:

People can't be trusted to pirate themselves silly

[17:57:57]

juski:

a lot of users would rather see hell freeze over than have p2p come to mythtv

[17:58:19]

monteslu:

file sharing?

[17:58:27]

juski:

and when that set includes the developers, even less chance

[18:00:05]

juski:

if you're talking about joost or whatever they're calling it, it's highly unlikely that will ever come to mythtv either at the moment

[18:01:40]

juski:

the folks behind the likes of Joost & Jungo are looking to make a lot of money anyway and I couldn't ever see there being an open source app to work with those services

[18:02:21]

niter3:

Is there any working apps out there?

[18:02:30]

juski:

if anything, those services are BAD for end users in the long term

[18:03:00]

juski:

niter3: if by that you mean streaming other folks' recordings, nope

[18:04:13]

niter3:

juski: Why would it be bad?

[18:04:19]

niter3:

I'm still trying to have an understanding..

[18:05:13]

juski:

it'd be bad because they're all talking about trying to introduce a model where you pay for everything you watch

[18:05:31]

juski:

and if you get locked into their hardware they can do that very easily

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juski:

they can also have control over *how* you watch the material

[18:06:58]

juski:

this is also why IPTV is a bad thing IMHO

[18:07:44]

** Aurelius wondering why IPTV bad.. *reads up* **

[18:07:58]

niter3:

Still not seeing how it's no different that our normal satellite and cable providers except it works over the net.

[18:08:03]

xris:

juski: most iptv ideas talked about in the US are just like cable.

[18:08:10]

juski:

the cable company I use brought out video on demand over a year ago & it's not cheap to use. Miss an episode? pay to watch it

[18:08:25]

xris:

juski: VOD here is free

[18:08:26]

Aurelius:

that's implementation heh

[18:08:29]

Aurelius:

greedy

[18:08:44]

juski:

of course media companies are never known for their greed....

[18:08:51]

niter3:

ahh, 5pm needs to hurry. I wish I could have a universal remote and fast forward to 5pm

[18:09:25]

juski:

I know I'm being mega-cynical ;)

[18:10:20]

Dagmar:

http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/pirate.swf

[18:10:31]

Dagmar:

I *knew* I had that thing stored somewhere.

[18:10:51]

juski:

but I've said this before.. if there was already a mythical convergence box made for my cable company and if it was any good I'd already be using it :)

[18:11:17]

Dagmar:

If you think charging money for an episode you *miss* is greedy, you should have seen some of the legislation those utter barstards tried to pass two summers ago.

[18:11:44]

Dagmar:

They actually tried to get a bill passed in *many* states that would make doing something for yourself that your service provider offers as a for-pay service, a felony

[18:11:54]

jduggan:

juski: hi

[18:11:56]

jduggan:

ur right

[18:11:58]

jduggan:

ntl stb

[18:12:00]

jduggan:

POFS

[18:12:01]

Dagmar:

Meaning, having a TiVo would have been a felony the moment the cable co rolled out their PVR cable box

[18:12:12]

niter3:

Hey what's that website that makes all your websites look like a word document?

[18:12:17]

Dagmar:

Having a Linksys router or running your own firewall would have been a felony

[18:12:29]

Dagmar:

niter3: www.badacid.com?

[18:12:30]

juski:

jduggan: told you

[18:12:38]

juski:

niter3: http://www.lamabox.com/index.php?option=com_c . . . &lang=en

[18:12:49]

niter3:

http://www.lamabox.com/index.php?option=com_c . . . &lang=en

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niter3:

:)

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Led-Hed:

I think paying for TV other than the Service it self is crazy, Why would you pay per episode to watch TV.

[18:13:42]

Dagmar:

Germany isn't exactly a "safe haven" country there

[18:13:54]

Led-Hed:

Thats why there are commercials

[18:13:56]

Dagmar:

Led-Hed: People shell out $60 for a season of a show on DVD

[18:14:07]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar: because thay are morons

[18:14:44]

juski:

it's easy to rectify that

[18:14:46]

juski:

stop watching

[18:14:52]

Dagmar:

...and you can bite me. My Dr. Who sets were definitely worth the money

[18:14:58]

jduggan:

juski: yeap, only thing i like is the od stuff... but the box gets really laggy sometimes and i have to power it off to get it working again

[18:15:22]

juski:

and $$$$$$

[18:15:31]

Dagmar:

They have trailers in between movies and that's about it

[18:15:56]

Dagmar:

It might be trailers for shows on other networks sometimes, but it's not like they're schlepping breakfast cereals or something

[18:16:04]

juski:

once upon a time entertainment was free for all. but since it got all sophistomocated & stuff...

[18:16:07]

juski:

$$$

[18:16:08]

Dagmar:

...and thank god they're not selling penis pills.

[18:16:18]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar: I guess the DVD's might be worth it, for the DVD quality video, if you are a fan, and if the DVD's dont have commercials

[18:16:26]

xris:

juski: huh? entertainment was only free when you were hanging out in the pub singing with friends.. and even then, you had to buy beer.

[18:16:39]

Dagmar:

Led-Hed: I've never seen a DVD with commercials on it

[18:16:45]

juski:

I was talking a long time ago

[18:16:57]

slowone:

Dagmar: they exsist

[18:16:58]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar: I think the Lost DVD's have commercials

[18:17:04]

juski:

Dagmar: what about the Di$ney DVDs with 10 min long unskippable adverts?

[18:17:14]

Dagmar:

juski: Umm... Hehehe

[18:17:20]

Dagmar:

I have patches to stop that shite

[18:17:25]

juski:

hahaha

[18:17:31]

Led-Hed:

juski: I know. Thats so lame, and they dont let you FFW past them

[18:17:35]

Dagmar:

I know the nonsense you're talking about because DVD's WalMart sold used to do that

[18:17:41]

Dagmar:

I "took steps".

[18:17:53]

juski:

patch patch patch ;)

[18:17:59]

Dagmar:

When I stick a DVD in it goes straight to the root menu. No FBI nonsense, no forced trailers, no snippy little accusations.

[18:18:25]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar: is this a Set Top DVD player, or a MythTV DVD player

[18:18:30]

Dagmar:

Both.

[18:18:40]

juski:

I can see WHY they do it, but it's not right calling everybody a thief & then making us guilty til proven innocent

[18:18:42]

Led-Hed:

really, how'd you do it to the SetTop?

[18:18:44]

Dagmar:

This is the reason people were all hot and bothered to get those cheap Apex units

[18:19:09]

Dagmar:

Darn near all of their early units had a hidden menu that let you disable all that nonsense, set them to being region-free, etc etc.

[18:19:17]

Led-Hed:

J-e-f-f-A: not the Disney DVD's, You are forced to watch them. No Root/Title Menu allowed

[18:19:19]

juski:

sometimes I wonder if filesharing didnt exist, would there still be restrictive controls?

[18:19:23]

Dagmar:

If you dig around some websites you will still find cheap settop players that you can do this to

[18:19:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: I've still got two Apex's ... ;-)

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Dagmar:

jeffery: I'm suprised mine has lived as long as it has

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GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: hehe I still have one of those Apex ones here :)

[18:19:47]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar: I have 2 Apex DVD players. =)

[18:20:00]

GreyFoxx:

I set mine to region free before Iput in any disks :)

[18:20:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: I actually dont' use them much anymore... pretty much a 100% myth environment now...

[18:20:21]

Led-Hed:

J-e-f-f-A: same here,

[18:20:49]

Led-Hed:

I put all my Kids DVDs into MythVideo, that way they dont scratch them

[18:21:14]

Dagmar:

Good move.

[18:21:29]

Led-Hed:

and the cool think is that I can set the next movie to play. So Sponge Bob, plays on a 6hr loop

[18:21:46]

Led-Hed:

s/think/thing

[18:21:49]

Dagmar:

I don't know that that's such a good idea.

[18:22:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

I was thinking the same thing!

[18:22:00]

Dagmar:

Little kids and Spongebob are like monkeys and cocaine.

[18:22:02]

Led-Hed:

Well not for the kid

[18:22:09]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar: agreed

[18:22:22]

Dagmar:

You water these kids on a regular schedule, right?

[18:22:25]

Led-Hed:

but its cool for the Starwars and LOTR movies as well

[18:22:30]

juski:

I love the idea of those tv series dvds

[18:23:02]

juski:

it all falls down when you want to watch a marathon of them & then proceed to go insane because you've heard the theme tune so many frickin times

[18:23:12]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar: Nope I just shove them in a room with a 50" Spongebob on 6 hr loop, I only have to check on them 4 times a say

[18:23:25]

Dagmar:

That is just *not* healthy

[18:23:39]

juski:

don't come crying to me when they're diagnosed with ADD

[18:23:42]

Led-Hed:

Just have to fill the feeding bowl now and then

[18:23:58]

Led-Hed:

juski: All 4 have Autism

[18:24:08]

Led-Hed:

and its not from Sponge Bob

[18:24:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

Led-Hed: You don't run a 'daddy day-care' center, do you?

[18:24:28]

Dagmar:

You will be able to *roll* them to the car when it comes time to send them to school

[18:25:08]

juski:

until I know from experience what being a parent is like I'll still maintain that the TV is not and never should be looked upon as a babysitter

[18:25:52]

Led-Hed:

Holly Shit Batman! sudo halt worked!!!!!

[18:26:22]

Led-Hed:

now I just hope it works from the Frontend exit menu

[18:26:42]

juski:

holy shit? has he been eating donuts?

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J-e-f-f-A:

juski: No, he said "HoLLy $hit" — he's been eating Holly apparently...

[18:28:15]

Dagmar:

Led-Hed: what did you have to change?

[18:29:01]

Dagmar:

I fyou wanna break kids from watching too much TV, little ones anyway, just get a copy of Videodrome and show it to them.

[18:29:16]

Dagmar:

They probably won't watch more than 15 minutes of TV a day for years

[18:29:25]

Dagmar:

...or sleep in the dark, but that's something they'll grow out of faster I think

[18:29:48]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar: my kids dont actually watch that much TV. Though the little one is addicted to the movie "Cars" right now.

[18:30:05]

Dagmar:

Show him Christine.

[18:30:31]

** J-e-f-f-A hehe **

[18:30:36]

Dagmar:

Whee time to flee the office!

[18:30:39]

Dagmar:

*p3wF!*

[18:30:40]

juski:

Dagmar: parents on the 'sink' estates would do that round here anyway

[18:31:09]

juski:

I just hope 'hostel' & 'saw' don't give the little bastards too many ideas

[18:31:19]

Dr_willis:

i have never understood how a kid can watch the same movie 100+ times..

[18:31:37]

ectospasm:

you must have been a kid long befor VCRs

[18:31:55]

Dr_willis:

Yep. :)

[18:32:04]

Dr_willis:

I rember when vcr's came out.

[18:32:17]

** ectospasm vaguely does **

[18:32:23]

Dr_willis:

'Be Kind, rewind'

[18:32:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

I resemble that remark too!

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ectospasm:

Just think about how awful the world would be if the original DiVX caught on...

[18:32:55]

juski:

before all this random accessable stuff it was way too much of a chore to have to wait to rewind

[18:33:06]

Dr_willis:

ectospasm, heh – i rember that fiasco..

[18:33:11]

ectospasm:

that's why they made separate rewinding machines

[18:33:18]

Dr_willis:

ectospasm, almost got one of those players when they went on clearance. :)

[18:33:28]

juski:

we were poor.. only had one vcr

[18:33:32]

ectospasm:

it would have been worth less than you paid for it

[18:33:59]

Dr_willis:

Now we will all get forced to get HD players to play the HD disks...

[18:34:08]

Dr_willis:

and all the old stuff will get re-released again...

[18:34:16]

ectospasm:

it's still not pay-per-view

[18:34:17]

juski:

huh? pressing 4 took me into the programme guide but 6 doesn't take me to the programme finder

[18:35:39]

juski:

you have the right,... oh wait no you don't. give us more money

[18:36:46]

juski:

ok this theme I'm editing.. says "(4) Program Guide **(6) Program Finder **"

[18:37:09]

juski:

press 4, I get to the guide... press 6 in there & I don't go back to the finder. wtf?

[18:37:22]

** juski looks for keys.txt **

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juski:

all this time I've never even checked this

[18:38:21]

** J-e-f-f-A doesn't use checks anymore... ;-) **

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gbee:

juski: submit it as a bug, either 6 should go to the programme finder or it shouldn't be saying that ;)

[18:39:39]

juski:

Pressing '?' will mark/unmark the current channel as a "favorite" – you can do that?!

[18:39:56]

gbee:

I'd quite like some mechanism to show contextual shortcuts – along the lines used by teletext, NTL, Sky etc for years now

[18:40:08]

gbee:

"BLUE" -> Program Guide

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xris:

a "help" command would be handy

[18:40:39]

juski:

rsdvd: cpu compile options & crap I think. not to mention kernel modules & stuff

[18:40:50]

juski:

rsdvd: plus no IEGD works with xorg 7.2

[18:41:36]

juski:

/ to tag a recording. !!!!

[18:41:39]

juski:

lordy

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gbee:

xris: yeah, might be the best solution – how many people overlook certain functionality because it's not advertised or explained within mythtv itself?

[18:41:56]

juski:

I might've read this before but these things just didn't stick in my mind

[18:41:57]

rsdvd:

ok – but I have to compile this on a differnt platform – so won;t it pick up cpu options for the dualcore is it compiling on – not the celeron it is destined for

[18:42:16]

juski:

rsdvd: shouldn't do if you set the build env up right

[18:42:28]

xris:

gbee: that and it's hard to know what keys do what when certain things can ge remapped

[18:42:30]

rsdvd:

:-) "if"

[18:42:42]

juski:

it builds the build env first, then builds everything inside that

[18:42:56]

gbee:

I know my parents, and anyone else who isn't familiar with mythtv would probably get a lot of use by bringing up a help screen to show what can be done and what keys to use

[18:43:02]

juski:

it's an iterative process AFAIK

[18:43:44]

juski:

hell until last summer I wasn't aware you could just schedule a recording by pressing R when you're in the guide

[18:43:50]

xris:

gbee: of course, you'd then want to allow for other options.. like allowing people to add photos of the more common remotes, etc.

[18:43:54]

rsdvd:

I have not found anywhere to define the arch of the cpu

[18:43:57]

** gbee goes to correct his grammar then decides he can't be bothered **

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niter3:

Question, why would anyone want to view their photos on the TV?

[18:44:26]

kormoc:

rsdvd, it should automatically or you'd pass it in.

[18:44:27]

niter3:

I've always tried to figure that one out.

[18:44:32]

kormoc:

niter3, slide shows

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juski:

niter3: why would anybody ask a question like that?!

[18:44:56]

juski:

so folks can BORE other people rigid with their holiday photos en masse

[18:44:59]

niter3:

but for whome?

[18:45:01]

niter3:

haha

[18:45:21]

juski:

I made a snappy DVD of my wedding photos & sent it out

[18:45:29]

kormoc:

lots of people like it

[18:45:36]

juski:

Ken Burns ate his heart out ;)

[18:45:48]

kormoc:

personally, I just have a gallery people can browse on their own if they wish

[18:46:00]

juski:

used subtitles to explain who was who in the photos

[18:46:10]

juski:

(normal dvd subtitles)

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gbee:

xris: I think it would need to be kept simple to start with, otherwise the good idea risks getting thrown out with all the bad ideas which would be heaped upon it

[18:47:10]

niter3:

When hooking up xbox front end to mythtv. Does it allow you to watch live tv?

[18:47:10]

juski:

gbee: at the expo I remember one conversation where someone was talking about some work to help integrate remotes into mythtv

[18:47:14]

niter3:

Streaming over the network/

[18:47:21]

xris:

yes. definitely a ? type key that brings up a list of possible key commands.

[18:47:37]

juski:

niter3: yes. but I wouldn't recommend running linux on the xbox. it SUCKS

[18:48:02]

niter3:

juski: Isn't there just a mythtv frontend you can use instead of loading linux on it?

[18:48:03]

juski:

it's slower than a 700MHz CPU should be, but that's because it only has 32MB usable ram

[18:48:14]

ectospasm:

jikes

[18:48:16]

juski:

niter3: xbmcmythtv, which isn't a proper frontend

[18:48:27]

gbee:

juski: my memory is a little hazy

[18:48:38]

niter3:

Will it allow the viewing of live tv and watch recording or no?

[18:49:05]

juski:

niter3: livetv, I'm not sure of. definitely lets you watch recordings. I used to use it til I couldn't stand the noise any more

[18:49:18]

juski:

gbee: of course. sore point, sorry

[18:49:59]

niter3:

juski: Can't just XBMC allow the watching of recorded sohws??

[18:50:09]

niter3:

Why does it have to be xbmc MYTHTV version?

[18:50:10]

juski:

I think if anything is to be done re remote config wizardry & help thingies, only do it for a small number of possible remotes

[18:50:43]

juski:

niter3: XBMCMYTHTV.. it's a python-based script which talks to the mythtv backend

[18:50:53]

gbee:

someone is developing a plugin app at the moment which makes myth related setup easier – e.g. lirc config, looks very promising

[18:51:09]

juski:

you can try to just play the files off a samba share in XBMC, but good luck guessing the filenames :-P

[18:51:24]

niter3:

but if mythtv is just outputting avi files you can just make a samba share and link xbmc to it. ta da

[18:51:30]

gbee:

he was in #mythtv a week or two ago

[18:51:32]

niter3:

OHhh.

[18:51:34]

niter3:

I see..

[18:51:39]

juski:

niter3: another thing is that it won't play nuv files from framegrabber recordings or transcoded files

[18:52:01]

juski:

and avi will never be used by mythtv on account of it being the most lame container in town

[18:52:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

niter3: xbox works as a fully-featured myth frontend, but it is slow.

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xris:

niter3: except that mythtv isn't outputting avi files.

[18:52:28]

juski:

isaac would prolly see hell freeze over before that

[18:52:43]

juski:

and I can't blame him either

[18:53:09]

juski:

even the menus are slow in xebian

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gbee:

juski: btw, not exactly a sore point (well not metaphorically ... physically maybe)

[18:53:34]

juski:

xbmcmythtv is much better, but it's not as nice as a properly themed mythtv ;)

[18:54:14]

juski:

and NO I'm not gonna skin xbmc

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niter3:

how do you run a python script from xbox????

[18:54:21]

niter3:

to configure the script for xbmc?

[18:54:32]

** gardengnome takes niter3's ? key away **

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juski:

niter3: look them up on sourceforge

[18:55:02]

niter3:

3. Run the mythtvmain.py script and go into the Settings screen to specify your connection details and paths.

[18:55:06]

niter3:

that's what it says

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juski:

niter3: RTFM on XBMC

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juski:

huh? number keys let you jump up & down the list of channels in the EPG

[18:56:19]

juski:

wow!!!

[18:56:37]

juski:

you can tell how often I use a keyboard with mythfrontend

[18:56:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

should work from your remote too...

[18:57:21]

juski:

you can tell how often I use the programme guide in mythfrontend...

[18:58:34]

gbee:

heh

[18:59:28]

juski:

sometimes I use the programme finder or search though

[18:59:43]

juski:

oh yeah gbee I remember something I meant to ask you about

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juski:

I was reading a log the other week & I saw you mention about how so few themers use all the available OSD stuff

[19:00:09]

gbee:

fire away

[19:00:31]

juski:

apparently you can show now & next kind of thing... that was the jist I think

[19:01:08]

gbee:

yeah, admittedly I was generalising on the basis of some unused stuff in one particular container

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juski:

got me fired up so I looked in all the OSD themes & even the source but I couldn't find anything

[19:01:47]

juski:

the main container? I didn't see anything that could be used for 'next' show

[19:01:58]

gbee:

well not now/next, but the presence of a preceding/past recording in the livetv chain

[19:02:08]

juski:

ah

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juski:

wonder how easy now/next would be to do

[19:03:31]

gbee:

not hard, the information is already there (press right/left in browse mode)

[19:03:55]

juski:

I've had some more ideas about the UI in general actually

[19:04:02]

gbee:

it would need a new container or a re-purposing of an existing one

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juski:

figures

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gbee:

btw the one I was talking about is the 'status' container (shows progress)

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juski:

yeah got it

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gbee:

pregbefore, progafter allow you define images

[19:07:13]

juski:

there's a raft full of tweaks I need to do to my themes soon anyway

[19:07:35]

juski:

the new button stuff in mythmusic will break all my themes :(

[19:07:44]

juski:

I can't make them backwards compatible either

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gbee:

they may or may not be other unused stuff in other containers, I just happened to be working on that particular one

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gbee:

juski: which new button stuff?

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juski:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2935

[19:09:28]

gbee:

just checking

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juski:

[19:09:52]

gbee:

thought you might be refering to http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/12661

[19:10:22]

gbee:

which I've not looked to closely at, so I wasn't sure what it actually did

[19:10:53]

juski:

gbee: the latter just changes image filenames

[19:11:23]

juski:

presumably to get more commonality

[19:11:27]

gbee:

just looked at the diff

[19:11:43]

juski:

it's the pushbutton vs checkbox stuff that has me a tad riled

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juski:

I mean rather than have a checkbox why not just toggle the state of a button?

[19:12:26]

gbee:

won't be committed without some discussion

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juski:

ah cool

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juski:

well, I vote against it, not in principle mind you, but because it'll break backwards compatibility of themes

[19:13:23]

gbee:

a checkbox doesn't strike me as the most appropriate way of handling it, but I'll see what everyone has to say first

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juski:

sod it I'm on the -dev list I'll voice my opinion :)

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SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: you here?

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fryfrog:

sort of :)

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juski:

well, time to eat etc

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gbee:

grr, these ffmpeg resync bugs are driving me mad

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tha_toadman:

gbee: during playback?

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gbee:

playback, preview generation, commflagging

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: I've avoiding updating since they went in to wait for them to all be shaken out first ;)

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gbee:

having to restart the frontend and/or backend each time

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gbee:

need to grab a backtrace, but can't find a good time at the moment

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tha_toadman:

gbee – do you use the horz/vert offset at all?

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GreyFoxx:

Hrm, my boss told me to go pick what I want for a new phone..... now I need to decide what phone I dislike the least :)

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gbee:

no

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gbee:

I hate mobiles

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fryfrog:

iPhone!

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: I love small flip phones, but the blackberry I have now sucks for many reasons

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fryfrog:

but not the apple one

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fryfrog:

the linksys one :p

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stuarta:

evening all

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cesman:

hello stuarta

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stuarta:

how goes things today?

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niter3:

ah crazy..

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niter3:

I want my damn pvr 150 card

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niter3:

urg..

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cesman:

good thanks and you?

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stuarta:

not bad at all.

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tha_toadman:

would it take significant horsepower to run a frontend machine

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GreyFoxx:

that depends on what you are playing

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tha_toadman:

i just scored some OLD pc's at work that'll make great frontends (2 of them) anyone care to hear the specs? hahaha..it's bad...

[20:15:25]

juski:

p2, 400

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tha_toadman:

they're 200 mhz with ~64 ram and a 6gb HD

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GreyFoxx:

tha_toadman: No

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stuarta:

paperweights

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juski:

doorstops

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tha_toadman:

really?

[20:16:03]

juski:

skip fodder

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tha_toadman:

lol

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stuarta:

mail server maybe

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gardengnome:

no way that's goanne make a decent frontend

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stuarta:

for 1 user

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juski:

room heater

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GreyFoxx:

Basically, if it was made before 99, don't even consider it

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stuarta:

i hope they paid you to take them away

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tha_toadman:

so the consensus is that it's a waste of time to make them frontends then?

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stuarta:

yup

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GreyFoxx:

tha_toadman: yes

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tha_toadman:

they just about did

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tha_toadman:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

they definately will not do it

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hads:

To *try* and make them frontends

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tha_toadman:

i guess they'd make good linux firewalls then, right? smoothwall or perhaps monowall

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stuarta:

64Mb ram wouldn't even load 1/10th of one of juski's themes :-P

[20:17:57]

stuarta:

firewall, basic mail server yes.

[20:17:58]

tha_toadman:

but ram can be upgraded

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juski:

not without 1GB of swap anyway :-P

[20:18:02]

GreyFoxx:

tha_toadman: they'd make passable firewalls yeah

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gardengnome:

tha_toadman: it's the CPU.

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hads:

You could make a firewall out of them. I got rid of my old beige boxes to save on power.

[20:18:16]

juski:

they'd make noisy, big & power hungry firewalls

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tha_toadman:

yeah – i see

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juski:

send em to Lagos

[20:18:58]

tha_toadman:

well, there's always ebay then right – hahaha, pawn 'em off on some poor ol' sap

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GreyFoxx:

I doubt anyone would buy them

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tha_toadman:

probably

[20:19:22]

tha_toadman:

i agree

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juski:

shred the data on the hard drives, then take em to a computer recycler

[20:19:43]

tha_toadman:

what would be a min. cpu for a frontend machine then? p4 i take it

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hads:

A decent P3 would do it

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juski:

the minimum you can buy these days would be a decent SDTV frontend

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GreyFoxx:

tha_toadman: It dpenbds on what you are playing

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GreyFoxx:

650mhz or better or SDTV is good

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hads:

Ah yes, I always assume SD

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gardengnome:

you can do it with a low-wend p3 if you're using XvMC but it's not pretty

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tha_toadman:

grey..: just single tuner with only 2 shows that we watch – not intense by any means

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GreyFoxx:

tha_toadman: Then a 650mhz or better

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hads:

512 RAM would be nice

[20:21:11]

tha_toadman:

guess i'll start shopping around then ;-)

[20:21:30]

tha_toadman:

juski – kudos to you and your themes, i like project grayhem :-D

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hads:

tha_toadman: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardware

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tha_toadman:

well that's a bummer – thought they might work out, thanks all for your input

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niter3:

man today is dragging on.. I want to go home and eat my chilli!

[20:24:38]

tha_toadman:

niter – whats the outside temp

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kslater:

strange thing I've run into. Lately my mythtranscodes (MPEG2 -> MPEG2 commercial cutting only) have been suffering from audio sync troubles.

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kslater:

Never use to happen

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kslater:

anyone have an idea of what that might be caused by?

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juski:

tha_toadman: thanks. I hate projectgrayhem :)

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** stuarta :( quite like PG **

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juski:

did I say I was going to stop supporting / updating it? ;)

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** stuarta senses juski has moved on.... **

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juski:

infact I plan to do some tweaks xris pointed out a while ago

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juski:

I mean I *didn't* say I was going to stop updating it :)

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juski:

I just don't use it anymore

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stuarta:

fair enough..

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CanadianMan_:

juski, what do you use now?

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juski:

blootubelite-wide

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juski:

soon I'll be using neon-wide though

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CanadianMan_:

cool, do you have a preview?

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk

[20:43:18]

CanadianMan_:

wow i like that a lot

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juski:

smells of apples, no? ;)

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CanadianMan_:

haha

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fysa:

woo! the amplifier fixed it.

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juski:

just blootube, not blootube-wide or other?

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tha_toadman:

ooh – i'm liking that neon theme juski

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xris:

juski: the 4:3 one. preview movie extends on top of the description text.

[20:46:56]

juski:

xris: when did you last download it?

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juski:

I got seriously out of sync, so I'll check mine here

[20:47:57]

juski:

have to wait a while for the images to scale :-z

[20:48:19]

juski:

btw folks when neon-wide is finished, MAKE ME STOP!

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CanadianMan_:

juski do you do the backgrounds to your themes yourself too?

[20:48:29]

juski:

I mean when the OSD is done

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juski:

projectgrayhem had bits borrowed from xbmc

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CanadianMan_:

cool

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xris:

juski: oh. didn't know there were updates.

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xris:

juski: really need to get you an svn repository

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juski:

blootube has the background from a very old copy of the original 'blue' theme but with extra bits

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fysa:

Will any TTF font work in myth?

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juski:

fysa: in theory

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juski:

I've toyed with the idea of using a dot matrix font for mythmusic

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juski:

don't think it'll look good on a TV though, so I'll have to do some testing

[20:50:18]

fysa:

would you mind if I made a revision of blootube as a new theme?

[20:50:32]

juski:

fysa: it's GPL

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juski:

and I won't mind so long as you don't bastardise it ;)

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juski:

xris: which UI page does the description disappear under the preview? livetv epg or watch/delete ?

[20:51:29]

fysa:

cool. I'm pretty handy with artwork, it's too bad coding pays more. ;)

[20:52:03]

juski:

xris: checking the playback screen now & it looks fine here

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xris:

juski: recorded shows

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xris:

but I haven't updated in awhile.

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juski:

I'll look in my README.txt

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juski:

04 Jan 2006

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juski:

-----------

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juski:

Added changes to ui.xml suggested by Janne Grunau.

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juski:

whatever that means

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juski:

hmmpf

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juski:

checking at 800x600

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xris:

heh

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xris:

that's my res

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juski:

xris: www.juski.co.uk/xris.png is how it looks here

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tcpsyn_:

Hrm. My video card handles flicker on the composite out... so I disabled deint in myth.. But now I want to watch it on my LCD monitor too... Using both the myth deint and the videocard flicker seems to mess things up

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juski:

I always only test my themes at the base res, figuring that anything else would be a bug in the scaling code

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juski:

tcpsyn_: flicker filter should only affect the tv out

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tcpsyn_:

aye. But flicker filter along with myth deint seems to cause a problem.

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gardengnome:

can the flicker filter substitute deinterlacing filters?

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tcpsyn_:

Maybe I just got to mess with it more.

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juski:

tcpsyn_: if you're deinterlacing just kill the flicker filter then ;)

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juski:

gardengnome: yes, I've seen it & found it puzzling myself

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fysa:

flicker filter works up to like .. 5–6 (out of 255) in nvidia-settings for me.

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juski:

I was like "WTF?! I'm not deinterlacing yet the picture looks spiffy on my TV... "

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Beakster_:

hey juski

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juski:

so striking I'll never forget that

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juski:

Beakster_: :)

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gardengnome:

juski: won't that result in bad image quality?

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Beakster_:

juski i was asking about my lirc registering buttons twice for each press the other day...

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juski:

gardengnome: nope

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gardengnome:

Beakster_: thou shalt never IRC as root

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juski:

Beakster_: yup

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gardengnome:

juski: it's voodoo then

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** juski pwns Beakster_ **

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Beakster_:

:'( i was runnin sudo, anyway...

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juski:

IRC clients aren't the most secure apps in the world, is all ;)

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stuarta:

thought we had a ban for that...

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fysa:

a little bit of flicker filter is good until someone comes out with a video card that can do real interlaced output.

[21:01:20]

juski:

there's a ban for users called mythtv, that I do know

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Beakster_:

juski i found out that lirc is only registering the Up, Down, Left and Right buttons twice, all the others only register once

[21:01:38]

Beakster_:

and messing with delay and repeat doesnt fix this

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juski:

Beakster_: were they defined twice in lircrc perchance?

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Beakster_:

is this a myth bug?

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juski:

nope

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Beakster_:

let me double check

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Beakster_:

i started with a template so maybe

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juski:

now where was I ...

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tcpsyn_:

any way to auto finetune frequencies yet?

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juski:

/filter questions

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juski:

damn

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Beakster_:

juski that looks like it

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Beakster_:

=)

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Beakster_:

thanks

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Beakster_:

i'll go and come out of sudo now =)

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fysa:

how am I supposed to use a frontend to see which digital channels are good if it crashes every time it tunes to a bad one?

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kormoc:

fysa, very slowly

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fysa:

haha

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fysa:

indeed

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fysa:

I have to find that azap+mplayer script.

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gbee:

if it crashes then it's a bug, open a ticket ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

fysa: My frontend doesn't crash if it can't tune a channel, it just exits back to the menu...

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fysa:

this is a hard lock, machine unresponsive..

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fysa:

I'll see if I can put a log together.

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J-e-f-f-A:

fysa: I dunno — sounds like a hardware issue to me... but that's just my perception...

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fysa:

well..

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fysa:

if the frontend and the backend were the same machine, I'd think so too.

[21:12:48]

juski:

xris: if you can try the 'latest' blootube from www.juski.co.uk & let me know how you get on with it :)

[21:12:59]

xris:

juski: willdo when I get home tonight

[21:13:04]

fysa:

so if it's a hardware problem with the tuner corrupting/crapping out, it's still a software problem with the frontend not dealing with it properly ;)

[21:13:34]

fysa:

ugh. the log was wiped.

[21:13:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

fysa: Yeah, if the remote frontend is locking up, then it's not a hardware issue with the tuner...

[21:14:10]

juski:

back to neon-wide :)

[21:15:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

juski: I like your MythTV Promo — Now to see if I can convert it to NTSC and make a DVD out of it... ;-)

[21:15:57]

juski:

J-e-f-f-A: no editing the end off of it mind :)

[21:16:13]

gbee:

cool, didn't notice you'd put that online

[21:16:31]

juski:

you could subscribe to my rss feed

[21:16:35]

juski:

if I had one

[21:16:37]

juski:

:-P

[21:16:50]

stuarta:

you need to get svn first

[21:16:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

juski: I wouldn't edit it at all. ;-) I'd only convert it to NTSC so it would play on our dvd players here in the US... ;-)

[21:17:15]

juski:

starting to get my web presence sorted out, all my content online, which'll be nice

[21:17:26]

juski:

sudo apt-get install subversion; man subversion

[21:18:19]

stuarta:

svn is easy, lemme know if you need help

[21:18:59]

juski:

what I don't get is that I do stuff on my windows box – all the drawing of pretty pictures, then copy them to a samba share, then drag them into my working theme dir

[21:19:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

juski: I would have put "free" in Bold caps and/or a different color... ie "**** FREE ****" ;-)

[21:19:34]

juski:

nobody here is saying rather than copy them to subversion then check them out into the worky theme dir...

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juski:

I dunno how it's sposed to work so I need to read up on it

[21:20:11]

juski:

all I've ever done is svn co

[21:20:13]

juski:

;)

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stuarta:

juski: http://svnbook.red-bean.com

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juski:

J-e-f-f-A: anyway where do I say 'free' ?

[21:28:53]

juski:

oh in the promo

[21:29:09]

juski:

yeah well, I wasn't counting on pedantry

[21:29:11]

juski:

;)

[21:29:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

juski: Yeah... I just think that's a big 'selling point' ;-)

[21:29:39]

juski:

I should have the whole project here somewhere

[21:29:48]

juski:

that can go into svn :)

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juski:

svn for video files!

[21:30:00]

juski:

muhahahaha

[21:30:42]

stuarta:

svn import !!!

[21:31:41]

juski:

this looks like it's going to be easier than I thought!

[21:32:00]

juski:

first impression of the manual was "ooo scary"

[21:32:04]

gardengnome:

is it hard to install trac? i'd go for that then

[21:32:08]

** J-e-f-f-A needs to find some time to learn svn too! **

[21:32:09]

stuarta:

it's not really that hard...

[21:32:28]

stuarta:

gardengnome: hard to install no, integrate properly with svn, more difficult

[21:32:35]

gardengnome:

ick

[21:32:44]

gardengnome:

i'll just go with an svn server then

[21:32:44]

juski:

there are apache modules for svn though

[21:32:50]

stuarta:

it's all the post commit hook stuff....

[21:33:08]

stuarta:

juski: yeah, so you can browse your source over the web :)

[21:33:16]

juski:

right, so now I need to choose a repository layout

[21:33:30]

juski:

don't think I'll be needing branches but they might come in handy

[21:33:45]

juski:

since every theme I ever do is just a fork of a previous one

[21:34:27]

juski:

but there's prolly a simple command to do that

[21:34:30]

hads:

Make a trunk directory and work in there, saves headaches later if you do want to branch.

[21:35:57]

juski:

trunk > subject > projectname will probly do for me

[21:36:14]

juski:

e.g. trunk > themes > boobtube-skinny

[21:36:31]

gardengnome:

*peeks up*

[21:36:31]

stuarta:

juski: well you would also use "release"

[21:37:07]

gardengnome:

aren't releases just tags?

[21:37:16]

hads:

Yeah, same thing

[21:38:27]

juski:

now I'm confuzzled

[21:39:21]

stuarta:

yeah they are, but they are done as a "copy" of trunk at the point of release

[21:39:31]

juski:

ah

[21:39:39]

juski:

logical as owt!

[21:39:46]

stuarta:

so you work in trunk....

[21:39:51]

gardengnome:

svn could also be really handy to manage config files

[21:40:15]

stuarta:

decided to pop out a release and copy trunk -> release/sexy-theme-1.0

[21:40:15]

juski:

a.k.a. 'restore point' ROFLMAO

[21:40:28]

hads:

A tag is just like a brach that you don't commit to

[21:40:36]

hads:

s/brach/branch

[21:40:47]

gardengnome:

ah

[21:40:53]

gardengnome:

thanks for clarifying

[21:42:27]

Paladine:

do I have to restart mfe if I change the mfdb schedule time for it to take effect?

[21:43:37]

gardengnome:

mfdb is run by the mbe

[21:43:48]

Paladine:

yes but the settings are in mfe

[21:45:10]

gardengnome:

the settings get written to the db immediately. i don't know when mbe will pick them up, though

[21:45:30]

Paladine:

just normally when I change anything in mfe I need to restart it, so I was just curious if this would be the same

[21:45:39]

Paladine:

I will assume it will be ok

[21:45:49]

Paladine:

I will find out at 2am one way or the other :)

[21:45:55]

gardengnome:

;)

[21:46:04]

Paladine:

cheers

[21:46:07]

Paladine:

now to my gaming :)

[21:46:23]

Paladine:

nothing worse than having your mmo die because mfdb is chewingall the cpu

[21:46:24]

** gardengnome cusses at dnsmasq for not working its netboot magic **

[21:46:48]

Paladine:

is there a command line argument to make it place nice with the cpu?

[21:46:56]

Paladine:

set a low priority or something?

[21:47:05]

gardengnome:

yeah, but i'm not gonna tell you because it's too obvious

[21:47:16]

Paladine:

let m guess --low-priority

[21:47:28]

gardengnome:

no, even more obvious

[21:47:34]

Paladine:

--low

[21:47:40]

gardengnome:

;)

[21:47:42]

gardengnome:

it's "nice"

[21:47:50]

Paladine:

oh so --nice ?

[21:48:12]

Paladine:

thanks

[21:48:16]

gardengnome:

you can set that in mfe

[21:48:25]

juski:

back to being baffled. going for a lounge

[21:49:26]

Paladine:

so change the mythfilldatabase Path in mfe general settings to "nice -n 19 /usr/local/mythfilldatabase" ?

[21:49:41]

gardengnome:

something like that, yes

[21:49:49]

gardengnome:

it should be /usr/local/bin/mythfilldatabase

[21:49:51]

Paladine:

erm I mean /usr/local/bin/mythfilldatabase ;)

[21:49:57]

gardengnome:

g'night

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Paladine:

do I need the quotes or will it parse the spaces automatically?

[21:51:57]

gardengnome:

i don't know actually. i'd try without the quotes first

[21:52:24]

Paladine:

aye, I will find out soon enough ;)

[21:52:45]

Paladine:

thanks again man

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Paladine:

laters

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gbee:

more likely the database activity, i.e. mysql that is causing any problems

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hads:

Yeah

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juski:

xris: one of janneg's suggestions was to move the video preview ;)

[22:08:37]

juski:

http://www.pastebin.ca/333417

[22:12:12]

xris:

juski: cool

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xris:

cesman: you around?

[22:12:18]

juski:

I'm off to bed anyway. I need to start seeing more daylight or I'll go mad

[22:12:49]

juski:

oh crap.. cesman.. my themes have been updated. forgot to tell you (oops). www.juski.co.uk for the latest revs

[22:12:56]

juski:

g'night all

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cesman:

whats up?

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SlicerDicer-:

hey xris did you come up with any ideas? hehe cause I ran out of them :) I was trying all kinda stuff

[22:31:14]

quicksil1er:

woo when LVM2 works, it is da bomb

[22:31:27]

** quicksil1er pvmoves his volumes onto his new RAID array without unmounting them **

[22:34:59]

xris:

SlicerDicer-: brain isn't working at the moment. too much caffeine seems to cause ADD.

[22:36:23]

kslater:

dunno, my system doesn't crash even if the signal is zero

[22:36:39]

kslater:

oops wrong answer

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cesman:

xris: what's up?

[22:36:58]

cesman:

you rang?

[22:37:21]

SlicerDicer-:

lol xris

[22:37:25]

SlicerDicer-:

no problem

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Fony_Vaio:

this is probably a really stupid q, but i can't find an answer through searches... how long should mythfilldatabase take, using the uk alternative listings?

[22:39:28]

xris:

cesman: just planning linuxfest. wondering how you get your giveaway knopmyth disks

[22:39:53]

Fony_Vaio:

it started off nicely, but now there's lots of errors about duplicates coming up over and over

[22:40:16]

Fony_Vaio:

i don't think it's stuck in a loop, but it seems that i've somehow duplicated its workload accidently?

[22:40:26]

quicksil1er:

Fony_Vaio: it might be OK

[22:40:30]

quicksil1er:

Fony_Vaio: how long has it been so far?

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Fony_Vaio:

quicksil1er: about 3 hours or more?

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Fony_Vaio:

my internet pipe can pull 500+kB/s, so that didn't take long. Proccy is a P4 3.2E (prescott), 768MB DDR.

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gbee:

xris: buy a few spindles and spend several hours burning ;)

[22:48:19]

quicksil1er:

Fony_Vaio: ah, that's too long

[22:48:30]

quicksil1er:

Fony_Vaio: I suggest you kill it and run it again and see if it can sort out its own mess

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gbee:

Fony_Vaio: what version are you using?

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Changlinn:

the sky?

[23:09:12]

gbee:

is blue

[23:21:39]

Changlinn:

mine was in response to "(09:25:58) cesman: whats up?"

[23:22:01]

Changlinn:

but my I had accidentally scrolled up my irc window...

[23:22:31]

Changlinn:

Got myth finally working last night before I screwed it, but now I know how to do it again, and how not to screw it.

[23:22:32]

Fony_Vaio:

gbee: sorry, i'm using the latest knoppmyth

[23:22:48]

Changlinn:

god it is simply awesome

[23:23:17]

GreyFoxx:

Changlinn: heh

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gbee:

guess I have to ask cesman what version of mythtv that is then :)

[23:24:42]

gbee:

but I'm guessing it's old enough not to have been affected by the recent mythfilldatabase changes

[23:25:03]

gbee:

any reason why you're using the alt grabber instead of the radiotimes one?

[23:26:32]

H00chster:

I got home today to find my backend extremely slow, and happened to check and I have used 100% of my partition, looking in /var/log/mysql I have lots of 104mb mysql-bin.000xxx files, that normal? heh

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GreyFoxx:

H00chster: Turn off mysql bin logs

[23:27:14]

GreyFoxx:

for some reason some distros turn that on my default

[23:27:27]

H00chster:

heh GreyFoxx, where that at, in the my.conf file in the mysql dir?

[23:27:34]

GreyFoxx:

yup

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GreyFoxx:

my.cnf

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gbee:

turn off all logging in every application if you're using a small root partition (learnt that mistake the hard way)

[23:28:05]

H00chster:

log_bin = blah blah? comment out?

[23:28:20]

GreyFoxx:

H00chster: yup

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H00chster:

heh k wtf is all that heh

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GreyFoxx:

unless you are doing replication with another machine, just turn it off

[23:28:51]

H00chster:

k I assume I can delete all the files in the /var/log/mysql ?

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gbee:

yep

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GreyFoxx:

all of the bin files you can

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H00chster:

thank you both. new one on me heh

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Fony_Vaio:

gbee: i thought the alternative one was the rt one?

[23:29:22]

H00chster:

any other gotchyas heh

[23:29:46]

gbee:

tv_grab_uk_rt is the main one, which uses the radiotimes data

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Fony_Vaio:

gbee: does it have something to do with the fact that i did a channel scan and just accepted all chans without any editing?

[23:30:04]

Fony_Vaio:

gbee: ok, lemme check which one it's using

[23:30:15]

gbee:

the alternative, i.e. the less used one is tv_grab_uk_bleb

[23:30:17]

cesman:

gbee: mythfrontend --version

[23:30:38]

cesman:

xris: I burn them myself

[23:31:08]

gbee:

cesman: would have already done that if I were running knoppmyth ;)

[23:31:37]

gbee:

but Fony_Vaio can do that and let us know

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gbee:

Fony_Vaio: yes, you must not accept all the channels – depending on your view source, that's going to be at least 100 or more channels than you need

[23:33:07]

gbee:

it's a waste of bandwidth (the source site, not just yours) and will take a lot longer to process

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gbee:

places like the radiotimes only cooperate with xmltv so long as every effort is made to keep the loads down

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gbee:

just realised that what you said is ambiguous, not sure whether you meant a channel scan in mythtv or you just added all the channels when setting up xmltv

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Fony_Vaio:

gbee|sleep: ah, boo.. i didn't realise, just added all channels everywhere

[23:42:07]

Fony_Vaio:

thought i'd go through them after, like in mce

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Fony_Vaio:

my bad. can i break out of filldb and do the setup again without breaking anything in the db?

[23:43:02]

gbee|sleep:

yep

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gbee|sleep:

btw, freeview or sky?

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Fony_Vaio:

freeview

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gbee|sleep:

might consider using EIT, at least for things like the radio channels – the guide data from the radiotimes is better for tv channels, especially those which show films but the EIT is good enough for the rest

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xris:

cesman: gotcha, thanks.

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Fony_Vaio:

gbee|sleep: oh, i can mix between EIT and rt?

[23:52:02]

gbee|sleep:

yep

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Fony_Vaio:

wow

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Fony_Vaio:

excellent

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gbee|sleep:

don't work too well to have them both enabled on the same channel, but you can use one or the other on a channel by channel basis

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Fony_Vaio:

also, where can i find a list of 'valid' chans, ie. ones which i can actually get on freeview? There's huge numbers of channels it's picked up, but i have no idea what i can and can't use.

[23:54:10]

HaDAk:

hi.

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HaDAk:

is anyone available to help me out?

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gbee|sleep:

well you can do a channel scan (through mythtv-setup) and then use that list, or look at the freeview website

[23:56:02]

gbee|sleep:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/terrestrial/epg/

[23:56:50]

gbee|sleep:

the correct order to do it, would be to perform a channel scan, then edit the xmltvids for every channel where you want to use the RT data

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GreyFoxx:

HaDAk: Just ask your Q's, if someone can/wants to they will answer :)

[23:57:56]

HaDAk:

^^ thanks.

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HaDAk:

i'm working on installing knoppmyth. easiest route for a htpc, imo. i did an apt-get upgrade, and tried to complete the autoconfiguration.

[23:58:42]

HaDAk:

unfortunately, something broke during the upgrade process...

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HaDAk:

and i can no longer connect to the mysql server.

[23:59:00]

HaDAk:

i get a database error:

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gbee|sleep:

now I'm really am going to bed

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HaDAk:

Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)

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