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Wednesday, January 24th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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Taku42:

Hello

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smka:

how to skip commercial when recording

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joeyt:

Hello. I want to be able to send commands (keystrikes) to mplayer from a script running on the frontend. What part of myth would I need to work with?

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GreyFoxx:

there really wouldn't be any that would do that

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onewheelskyward:

Is there a howto out there for building a serial IR sender? I see the IR Receiver plans on lirc.org...

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onewheelskyward:

DIY IR Blaster is what I'm basically looking for.

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joeyt:

hmpf...

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xris:

onewheelskyward: should be two serial ir blaster schematics at lirc.org (one simple, one amplified)

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xris:

onewheelskyward: it's about $8 in parts, or you can spend $11 or so and get a nice-looking one from irblaster.info

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onewheelskyward:

plus shipping. :)

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onewheelskyward:

aah, I found it. Thanks for the tip.

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xris:

onewheelskyward: but the simple blaster plans used to be on lirc.org.

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onewheelskyward:

Yep they are.

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onewheelskyward:

Now I just need to an an electrical engineering expert and I'm home-free.

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Milosch:

i'd like to make another sender for my SMK blaster

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Milosch:

box has two jacks, but they only sent one

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alsoconfused:

joeyt: can you be more specific about what you're trying to do?

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adante:

has anybody tried making the simple irblaster?

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adante:

it looks considerably easier than the amp, but the accompanying text warns about not using it for long periods, just wondering if that really is an issue

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onewheelskyward:

I was just reading through that part. Now I'm not so sure I want to try it. :)

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onewheelskyward:

"Usage of the this circuit is not recommended if you value your serial port. If it is on the motherboard I would not use it! I use a serial port on a cheap serial card for testing. Actually I only say this, so that it's not my fault if your house burns down ... Does anybody know what can happen if you short circuit the serial port?"

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adante:

possibly i am being oversensitive because i've blown numerous serial ports programming pics in the past

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onewheelskyward:

I just ordered the light up model from irblaster.info. I just want one to work. I'll make my own some other time.

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hads:

The irblaster.info ones work well in my experience.

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onewheelskyward:

Excellent. Now to go through the fun of finding my remote in lirc.

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adante:

onewheelskyward: yeah well i'd probably do that if i lived in us.. the hilarity of international mail suggests a DIY circuit might be equally feasible, so i am just considering my options

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onewheelskyward:

adante: I see your point. :)

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onewheelskyward:

Where are you located?

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adante:

believe me, i do NOT subscribe to the 'he-man' approach where possible :]

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adante:

australia, possibly the last 1st world country with 3rd world tv infrastructure

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onewheelskyward:

heh heh.

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hads:

adante: I've ordered a couple of blasters from irblaster.info from New Zealand and it only took a week or so to get here.

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hads:

Oh, and unfortunately we are further behind you with TV

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adante:

hads: hm, but don't 90% of households have paytv or something?

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adante:

how many fta channels do you guys have?

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hads:

We have 4 main analog FTA channels, Freeview (DVB-S, later DVB-T) is testing at the moment to be released mid this year.

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hads:

Sky (similar to Foxtel) is reasonably popular, yes.

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adante:

are your stations also incredibly anal about releasing epg guide data?

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hads:

Yes, yes they are

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adante:

<3 gotta love it

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hads:

I get all my guide data from the Sky DVB stream

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adante:

no kidding

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hads:

And then massage it into shape with some python

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adante:

nice of them to provide it

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adante:

our fta dvb publishes the current program and the next program.. and thats it

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hads:

It's used for their decoder but you can pull it of there if you have a DVB-S card

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hads:

Yeah, I hear it's bad over there.

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onewheelskyward:

oh man..my cable provider's digital R&B hits station is playing early 90's Janet Jackson. Wow.

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hads:

The guide data that the FTA broadcasters supply Sky is pretty inaccurate with times though, I always miss the start/end of some programs.

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hads:

It has no category data either so the python script I use gets that out of a sqlite database from a title lookup

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Agrajag-:

our programs never start/finish on/within the advertised start/finish times, so i just start all my recordings 2 minutes early and finish 15 minutes late

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hads:

Agrajag-: Yeah, that's slightly annoying if you want to record two programs next to each other though.

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Agrajag-:

nah mythtv automatically fixes that

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hads:

How so?

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Agrajag-:

so i set the global setting of -2/15, but if there's a conflict it ignores that

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adante:

hm, still find myth goes a bit funny in my setup

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adante:

yeah

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adante:

also, thanks to the wonders of livetv/realitytv events, even 15m doesn't cut it sometimes

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hads:

Agrajag-: Interesting, I tried that originally but would lose recording because of conflicts like that.

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Agrajag-:

hads: just make sure you use the global setting, not the per recording start early/finish late

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adante:

Agrajag-: do you know anything about dvb-s cards in aus?

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Agrajag-:

adante: nup, didn't know we could receive and dvb-s stuff

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adante:

yeah me either.. but hads mention got me thinking and i just did a bit of googling and people seem to be.. doing *something* anyway

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hads:

Agrajag-: Interesting, cheers, I might look into that again.

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adante:

so whereabouts are ya hads (within nz)

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robbins876:

I just got a widescreen HDTV, and I've got my mythbox connected through VGA, but for some reason the display is off the screen

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BULLE:

robbins876: what do you mean with "off the screen" ?

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robbins876:

Well, I can see most of the screen, but i'm in gnome and can't see either bar, top nor bottom

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BULLE:

robbins876: thats overscan

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robbins876:

ok, how do i fix that?

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BULLE:

robbins876: most tvs use overscan in one form or the other

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BULLE:

robbins876: im not sure you can

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alsoconfused:

overscan, with vga connection?

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robbins876:

even though this has a VGA input?

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BULLE:

alsoconfused: yes, its pretty common that tvs actualy do overscan via vga connection aswell

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alsoconfused:

what type of set is it? crt, lcd?

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BULLE:

just as its common that they use overscan via hdcp/dmi

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robbins876:

it's a projo DLP samsung

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BULLE:

robbins876: check samsung manual, try to use a resolution that matches the native resolution of the screen ?

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robbins876:

i'm doing so

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robbins876:

720p is 1280x720 correct? That's what I have it as in my xorg

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hads:

adante: I'm down south of Christchurch

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adante:

whats your card robbins876 ?

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robbins876:

it's a VIA Epia m10000

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hads:

adante: Where are you based?

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robbins876:

do i need to change something in bios?

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adante:

hads: brisbane

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adante:

hads: i plan to visit you for this years ski season, so you had better have a good one!

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hads:

:)

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robbins876:

adante: any help?

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adante:

robbins876: um.. fraid not

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adante:

robbins876: there utils available for adjusting overscan on nvidia cards, but i have no experience with epias

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alsoconfused:

robbins876: what's the native resololution of the DLP?

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robbins876:

also: Native resolution, i believe, is 1280x720

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alsoconfused:

find out for sure

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robbins876:

it's 720p

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robbins876:

which is 1080i

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alsoconfused:

you misunderstand

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alsoconfused:

you need to know the actual horiz and vert resolution

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robbins876:

i'm fairly confident that the native resolution is 1280x720

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robbins876:

it wouldn't be any higher than that for sure

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alsoconfused:

then setup the X server to run at 1280x720

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robbins876:

you mean, edit my /etc/X11/xorg.conf to show 1280x720?

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robbins876:

because that's what i said it as

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alsoconfused:

do you have multiple modes defined?

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robbins876:

just that one

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robbins876:

i'll pastebin it

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BULLE:

xwininfo

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BULLE:

click on root window

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alsoconfused:

what make/model projector is it?

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BULLE:

should give you current screen size

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robbins876:

also: it's a samsung HL-S5086W

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robbins876:

bulle: it's telling width: 1280 height: 768

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robbins876:

problem found, i think

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BULLE:

ye, might very well be it

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robbins876:

when i restart x with ctrl-alt-backspace does that make new settings take hold? or do i need to do something else?

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alsoconfused:

that should do it

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BULLE:

robbins876: should be enough, you are basicly telling the X server to die, and then init reloads it

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robbins876:

alright, brb

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robbins876:

wish me luck

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alsoconfused:

luck

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BULLE:

not unless he pays

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alsoconfused:

i didn't say good luck ;^P

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robbins87:

no luck

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alsoconfused:

robbins87: take a look at the Xorg log and see what it said about 1280x720

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BULLE:

robbins87: what does xwininfo tell you ?

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robbins87:

BULLE: same thing... 768

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BULLE:

rosslin: so, thats still your problem then

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BULLE:

damn

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BULLE:

he left

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alsoconfused:

i wonder if it would handle a custom modeline

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adante:

hmm

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H00chster:

I have recorded HD movies no prob before, but I have recorded 2 diff tv shows the other night and both seem to be off on audio on playback and get some audio errors in the frontend. albeit both were on the same channel so maybe the channel has issues, but I think I read there is a way to tell Myth to adjust sync per recording or something, anyone by chance know how to do that?

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kormoc:

H00chster, not really no, HD recordings are actually streams directly from the broadcaster, so myth doesn't actually touch them

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H00chster:

k thanks kormoc

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H00chster:

musta just been that channel then, haven't tried watching live to see if it has issues

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H00chster:

but something must be hosed with it

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H00chster:

cuz other recordings have been fine

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H00chster:

kormoc, sorry for the bother but curious if you knew, I have 3 tuners in a 64bit 3500+ amd, it is also a frontend, I have 2 other remote frontends. I am planning on building a slave backend and putting more tuners in it, but might not be as powerful. My master be/fe I do HD on plus of course I record HD. Will Myth know to use the slave tuners for SD recordings and for the remote's that do SD, leaving the larger system for HD?

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kormoc:

H00chster, myth knows what the cards can do, so if they are SD cards, they'll only do SD

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H00chster:

really

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fysa:

it's just saving a file, not encoding anything.

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kormoc:

H00chster, aye, hd is just a stream copy, no processing

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H00chster:

thought I had read diff but ok so that part won't matter

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kormoc:

H00chster, most it taxes is the IO

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fysa:

but you can set input priority to have it use certain cards over others.

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fysa:

disk speed is what you really want to keep an eye on.

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H00chster:

so it is prob more user friendly for me to make all my backends whatever and make the frontends that need to process the hd the larger then

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fysa:

and if you're storing that HD recording over a network mount, you might want to look into gigabit.

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H00chster:

so if it is sending livetv from 1 backend to a different frontend is that still the case, that the backend really isn't having to do much, it is the frontend that has to do the beefy part

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H00chster:

ya I have gig thanks for the tip though

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fysa:

commercial skip processing and transcoding a recording takes the most CPU from what I've seen

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fysa:

and I believe they can happen anywhere you want them to..

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fysa:

basically, you run a slave back-end on the front-end machine.

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H00chster:

ok well tha tmakes me feel a little more comfortable then cuz doubt the slave be will be a 3500 heh, thanks to both for the replies

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fysa:

then you can get your faster front-end to do transcoding and commercial processing at night and such.

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H00chster:

k maybe will do that then move my db over to the slave I was gonna make and make it the master

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H00chster:

still got lots to learn but running very stable now, thanks to kormocs help on the remote and all. so wanting to expand out heh

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fysa:

front-end needs lots of CPU for watching HD, so keep your fastest computer there.

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H00chster:

k understand that part fysa just thought the backend needed power to record it as well or to send it live to another fe, either way heh. very happy to hear not so much

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H00chster:

will say though that my remote frontends seem to be more stable than the one shared with the master server heh, but I think difference is they are svga, and the hd one does vga and prob my settings aren't proper

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Eradan:

evening everyone ....

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kgreen:

I have an issue with video playback being too fast and chipmunking of the audio, does anyone have experience with either of these problems?

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CanadianMan:

i have no had that issue b4 sorry

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CanadianMan:

not*

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GreyFoxx:

kgreen: I had the exact same problem when I went to kernel 2.6.19.1

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GreyFoxx:

I updated today to 2.6.19.2 and the problem is gone

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adante:

hi guys, i'm not familiar with analog cards, but i am looking to get one to capture a coax signal from a paytv black box

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adante:

question: i should still be looking for one with preference to a hardware MPEG2 encoder

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adante:

and i hear people mention some cards not having tv-out – is this really an issue? or is there some sort of passthrough mechanism analogue cards use?

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GreyFoxx:

by far most cards do not have tv out

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H00chster:

hows the 360 progress coming GreyFoxx?

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GreyFoxx:

H00chster: Got it playing my mp3's

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H00chster:

nice

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GreyFoxx:

but I had to hack some of the responses to the box

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H00chster:

still tweaking that area before diving into video? heh

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GreyFoxx:

H00chster: Video is way off

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Eradan:

can't wait for them to include the HDMI port on the 360

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H00chster:

heh I know wishful thinking

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GreyFoxx:

they require it in a specific format

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H00chster:

ya that bs wmv crap

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GreyFoxx:

Maybe if we add on the fly transcoding to the backend it might become an option

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adante:

ok cheers

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H00chster:

true, that's how they are overcoming it with other things

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Eradan:

my wife is gonna kill me ... i just bought a new PJ 2 months ago .. .. and i'm already looking at a new 1080p pj :P

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H00chster:

just a pita

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H00chster:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

H00chster: I mainly wanted the audio support anyway :)

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H00chster:

I know, hoping someday for more. would be cool to interface a fe out of it via the built in media player somehow

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GreyFoxx:

but even that is not ready for anything but my own uses since I had to fake some of the data sent to the box since mythmusic doesn;t include it when scanning your music

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H00chster:

but is nice to hear you got the audio going. what all did you have to do

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H00chster:

understood

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GreyFoxx:

had to implement the upnpsearch method they use instead of the normal browsing

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GreyFoxx:

then I had to figure out exactly what headers they required to have certain values

[03:57:14]

H00chster:

damn mickeysoft

[03:57:26]

GreyFoxx:

so if an xbox asks for the media szerver info we pretend to be Windows Media Player in the headers

[03:57:36]

GreyFoxx:

Otherwise it wouldn't even see it :)

[03:58:43]

GreyFoxx:

basically, lots of packet sniffing and testing :)

[04:00:23]

kgreen:

does anyone have any experience with video playback being too fast and audio chipmunking?

[04:00:35]

GreyFoxx:

kgreen: Did you miss my response to you?

[04:00:44]

GreyFoxx:

<GreyFoxx> kgreen: I had the exact same problem when I went to kernel 2.6.19.1

[04:00:45]

GreyFoxx:

<GreyFoxx> I updated today to 2.6.19.2 and the problem is gone

[04:00:48]

kgreen:

yes for some reason I lagged bad, my bad

[04:00:53]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

[04:01:05]

kgreen:

which card were you useing?

[04:01:16]

GreyFoxx:

Card?

[04:01:32]

GreyFoxx:

It was playback timing, not the recording

[04:01:44]

GreyFoxx:

the recording was fine on other frontends

[04:02:01]

GreyFoxx:

but on the one I had updated to 2.6.19.1 it was fast and the audio had achipmunk sound to it

[04:02:03]

kgreen:

It's odd cause dvd and ripped video/audio playes fine, but watching live TV (bufferred) the video and audio is too fast

[04:02:08]

H00chster:

cool that you fooled it into thinking it was mce though greyfoxx, think that is more than most have accomplished, but as you stated it requires a lot of fidgeting with each header and such so video would be a pita I am sure

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GreyFoxx:

kgreen: I noticed that on all playback. It'll come down to whatever timing mechanism various players use

[04:02:54]

GreyFoxx:

I updated to 2.6.19.2 and the problem has been gone since

[04:02:55]

H00chster:

just out of curiosity what compiler is recommended for myth? 4.x or a 3.4?

[04:03:20]

GreyFoxx:

No clue, might be something on the mythtv.org page

[04:03:25]

Aurelius:

what's a better way to browse/play things from a windows machine over the lan? mythweb or that mythwinfront or whatever?

[04:03:25]

GreyFoxx:

I use 3.3.4

[04:03:44]

GreyFoxx:

Aurelius: If it was me, I'd just use samba and browse the files directly

[04:03:59]

H00chster:

k, in the paast 3.4 was much more stable in things, but seemed like myth handled 4.x no prob but did seem like I ran across something that said 4.x was giving stability issues, and I am not 100% on hd so maybe need to drop back down

[04:04:03]

GreyFoxx:

If you want "pretty" names, run mythrename.pl on the backend to give them human readable names

[04:04:03]

Aurelius:

GreyFoxx: think about if not so technically minded people had to view them :)

[04:04:35]

GreyFoxx:

Aurelius: If browsing a filesystem to play a file is too hard for someone, they should have the keys to the computer taken away :)

[04:04:48]

GreyFoxx:

Especially if you put a symlink directly to the share on the desktop :)

[04:04:55]

Aurelius:

GreyFoxx: we're doing 24/7 recording

[04:04:59]

GreyFoxx:

"double click here and you get a list of shows" :)

[04:05:04]

Aurelius:

broken up by program on a single channel

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kormoc:

H00chster, I would recommend 3.4, as 4.x has some rather unique issues from time to time. Maybe once it's stable, but until then

[04:05:27]

Aurelius:

list of shows is less important than sorting by time, much like "Watch REcordings" is

[04:05:48]

defa:

hi folks, can lack of memory contrinute to very high cpu usage?

[04:05:59]

H00chster:

agreed kormoc, always had issues with it and vdr, just didn't really think bout it much when I started doing myth. will drop down and see if it helps some of the quirks I am having with my fe. Thanks for the input

[04:06:08]

Aurelius:

GreyFoxx: i may end up just going with samba though i guess

[04:06:10]

GreyFoxx:

Aurelius: Well they are by default names by channel and date, but you could alter mythrename to generate a name starting with the time.... like 20070101-2200-MyFavouriteshow.mpg

[04:06:30]

GreyFoxx:

defa: Absolutely

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defa:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

If you don;t have enough ram you end up using swap

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GreyFoxx:

which can churn the drives and drive up IO and more processes waiting to do whatever they wanted to do

[04:07:01]

defa:

i think, i only have to buy ram then as what told to me yesterday

[04:07:06]

defa:

gothca

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defa:

oh my nicl

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defa:

nick

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Scryptik:

anyone interrested in talking to a beginner to answer a few questions?

[04:07:54]

GreyFoxx:

Scryptik: Just ask

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kormoc:

Scryptik, you should just ask your questions, if someone knows, they'll answer

[04:08:01]

GreyFoxx:

if people can/want to answer they will

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H00chster:

we are all beginners Scryptik just gotta ask the questions, if someone can answer I am sure they will, if it isn't obvious in the wiki albeit heh

[04:08:08]

H00chster:

damn beat me to it

[04:08:28]

kormoc:

H00chster, I hardly think that we're all beginners :P

[04:08:35]

Scryptik:

I was just wondering how hard it is to actually get a box up and running I do not k now linux but am willing to learn..... I learn pretty fast

[04:08:39]

H00chster:

well you know what I mean heh

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** Aurelius setting up mythweb forremote access **

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GreyFoxx:

mythweb rocks. I do almost all scheduling with it

[04:09:20]

kormoc:

Scryptik, there's really no way to say. Some people pick it up easy like, others, not so easy

[04:09:33]

Aurelius:

GreyFoxx: thescheduling is done already:)

[04:09:36]

Aurelius:

it's pretty simple

[04:09:40]

kormoc:

Scryptik, some of it has to do with your hardware, others the distro you pick, just anything at all

[04:09:44]

H00chster:

me too heh still havent' figured out what mounts I need to do so that I can playback video being as my webserver is on a different server than my backend heh

[04:09:48]

kgreen:

so is there a way to force playback on mythtv to use /dev/rtc as the clock?

[04:09:57]

Scryptik:

I have been doing an incredible amount of reading and it seems pretty straight forward i have a pvr350 on the way

[04:10:08]

GreyFoxx:

kgreen: I tried that, didn;t fix the problem for me

[04:10:15]

GreyFoxx:

kgreen: What version of the kernel are you running ?

[04:10:16]

H00chster:

still hoping/looking forward to some sort of transcoding feature to mythweb unlike the mythstream that isn't maintained anymore

[04:10:16]

kgreen:

dang

[04:10:27]

GreyFoxx:

h00

[04:10:35]

kgreen:

2.6.19 right now , 2.6.19–2 on the way down

[04:10:37]

GreyFoxx:

H00chster: Xris wants to have something in there for that

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Aurelius:

thatrecords all that stuff in low quality :)

[04:10:47]

Aurelius:

then the sports stuff we go high quality

[04:10:50]

GreyFoxx:

would be nice if we add it directly to mythbackend

[04:11:05]

kormoc:

GreyFoxx, he seems to think that it's slowly heading that way

[04:11:09]

H00chster:

ya I have heard mention here and there on here, but word was that it may not make it into production, but hoping so, that would def make it sweet

[04:11:20]

H00chster:

ya if it could come straight from the backend that would be awesome

[04:11:29]

Aurelius:

actually, correction... theyare all recorded high quality, just transcoded differently :)

[04:11:33]

H00chster:

that way when I am on the road I could have my laptop be a remote fe over the net

[04:11:37]

GreyFoxx:

kormoc: The MediaMVP guys would love that, especially if we allow it to stream mythvideo stuff too

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H00chster:

still have yet to make the mediamvp work heh

[04:12:09]

Aurelius:

does anyone here know if it's possible to get programinfo into a filter as an argument

[04:12:14]

GreyFoxx:

my mvp has been on the shelf for a while now

[04:12:41]

Scryptik:

anyone have any problems getting their system working with a time warner cable box

[04:12:46]

H00chster:

I have like 7 of them lmao, 1 is hooked up sitting next to me but just haven't had time to play with it, I get it to boot the dongle but no livetv yet heh

[04:13:13]

GreyFoxx:

I dont' do livetv, but the mvp worked pretty well as aplayer of recordings

[04:13:27]

GreyFoxx:

I've jsut replaced most of my frontends with another stb

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H00chster:

I did get the recordings list but when I played something it was blank video, thinking it was complaining bout the version, just need to tinker still

[04:14:02]

H00chster:

what kinda stb?

[04:14:08]

GreyFoxx:

msntv2

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GreyFoxx:

ch

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.toc2rta.com/index.php/Main_Pagech

[04:14:39]

GreyFoxx:

oops, minus the ch

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defaultro:

anyone here has 1 gb installed on his linux box?

[04:15:11]

Aurelius:

ram

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Aurelius:

?

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defaultro:

just want to see vmstat 5

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GreyFoxx:

http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2006/03-05-MSNTV-MythTV&

[04:15:21]

H00chster:

hmm interesting, work well?

[04:15:21]

GreyFoxx:

Aurelius: 128meg

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Aurelius:

# vmstat 5

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Aurelius:

procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu----

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Aurelius:

r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa

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GreyFoxx:

so, same processor as an xbox, but twice the ram

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defaultro:

Auok

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GreyFoxx:

defaultro: Yes, several do

[04:15:55]

defaultro:

how much Aurelius do you have now?

[04:16:06]

GreyFoxx:

H00chster: Yup

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H00chster:

will look into it, ya the xbox being as it can only do the 2.4 kernel I am having trouble getting proper sources so that I can install svn on it heh

[04:16:10]

Aurelius:

# free

[04:16:10]

Aurelius:

total used free shared buffers cached

[04:16:11]

Aurelius:

primeministerp: 1016128 1003276 12852 0 27868 704500

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Aurelius:

-/+ buffers/cache: 270908 745220

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Aurelius:

Swap: 1959920 192 1959728

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defaultro:

i'm comparing it to what I saw in my setup

[04:16:14]

GreyFoxx:

dead silent too

[04:16:16]

Scryptik:

i have a 1gig processor 382 megs of ram ... am i wasting time/should i get more power and ram?

[04:16:21]

H00chster:

will def check into that, would love move small fe's throughout the house

[04:16:22]

kormoc:

Aurelius, don't flood please...

[04:16:23]

H00chster:

thanks for the link

[04:16:29]

Aurelius:

wahhhhhh

[04:16:31]

GreyFoxx:

scrp: DEpends on the tuner you are recording from

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defaultro:

just say the exact number

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defaultro:

what the hell does this mean? primeministerp

[04:16:55]

Scryptik:

tuner is going to be the Haupauge pvr 350

[04:16:57]

Aurelius:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

1ghz is fine for standard definition playback, but your recording source is important

[04:17:02]

Aurelius:

that was "mem:"

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GreyFoxx:

Scryptik: That would be fine then

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Aurelius:

nick complete changed it

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Aurelius:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

Scryptik: Have you already bought the 350 ?

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kormoc:

defaultro, he has a gig, what are you looking for?

[04:17:22]

defaultro:

kormoc, yes, i see it

[04:17:31]

defaultro:

and nice free/remaining

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Scryptik:

I ordered it about 15 minutes ago

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defaultro:

my free is bad

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defaultro:

5mb

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GreyFoxx:

Scryptik: doh

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defaultro:

grrrr

[04:17:44]

GreyFoxx:

You should have saved your money

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Aurelius:

myfree is only 12megs

[04:17:54]

GreyFoxx:

and bought a 150+nvidia card with tvout

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defaultro:

you have 700mb

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Scryptik:

what do u recommend

[04:18:03]

Scryptik:

ahhhhh really

[04:18:08]

Scryptik:

how much is that

[04:18:10]

Milosch:

Scryptik: it's still a nice looking card, though

[04:18:11]

defaultro:

745mb Aurelis

[04:18:14]

defaultro:

that's nice

[04:18:24]

Aurelius:

yes, but that's all cache :P

[04:18:28]

kormoc:

sc00p, it's around $100 or so total

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GreyFoxx:

Scryptik: the 150 is around $60US in some places, same for a cheap nvidia card

[04:18:31]

Aurelius:

so basically 12 free hehe

[04:18:39]

defaultro:

huh

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Scryptik:

i only paid 120 for the 350

[04:18:44]

kormoc:

Aurelius, so? cache is optional and thus free for program use, which is the important bit

[04:18:45]

GreyFoxx:

Scryptik: So, less much and more flexibly

[04:19:00]

Aurelius:

kormoc: yes, but technically it's 12 free.

[04:19:02]

kormoc:

Aurelius, if you put 32 gigs in there, it will still use it all in cache

[04:19:03]

GreyFoxx:

Scryptik: The problem si that the 350's tvout is slow

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Aurelius:

since it's being used :P

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GreyFoxx:

so playback of anything you didn;t record will use more cpu that if you had a regular video card

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Scryptik:

ohhh i did not know that so i guess i will be getting the other one i have a 30 day moneyback guarantee

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GreyFoxx:

plus no opengl or other hardwre acceleration

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Scryptik:

so getting the 150+nvidia card with tvout is a better Idea

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GreyFoxx:

pretty much yeah

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Scryptik:

i am sorry if this sounds like a dumb ? but what makes it better

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Aurelius:

better support forthe nvidia

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kormoc:

Scryptik, <Aurelius> since it's being used :P

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kormoc:

<GreyFoxx> so playback of anything you didn;t record will use more cpu that if you had a regular video card

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kormoc:

Scryptik, <GreyFoxx> plus no opengl or other hardwre acceleration

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kormoc:

Scryptik, that's what makes it better

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kgreen:

yay new kernel compiling

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Scryptik:

appreciated thanks

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Milosch:

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Aurelius:

hrm?

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Milosch:

you have to be careful now about the card you actually get when you buy a 150

[04:25:49]

Aurelius:

hrm

[04:25:51]

Milosch:

might be unlucky and get a replacement card with no driver support

[04:25:52]

Aurelius:

i bought a 500

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Aurelius:

different chipset?

[04:26:11]

Milosch:

Aurelius: me too

[04:26:18]

Milosch:

yes, different chip on the replacement card

[04:26:30]

Aurelius:

nice

[04:26:35]

Scryptik:

so get the 500 then???

[04:26:45]

Milosch:

will be when/if they get information on the chip

[04:27:09]

Scryptik:

anyone have a site where i can order it from?

[04:27:14]

Milosch:

Scryptik: a 150 is fine as long as you check the box or otherwise make sure it is not the replacement card

[04:27:20]

Aurelius:

hauppauge has a website

[04:27:28]

Aurelius:

we ordered directly from them, got it in like 2 days

[04:27:35]

Milosch:

a 500 is two 150's on a single card, and afaik they don't have a replacement yet

[04:27:41]

kormoc:

Milosch, do you know which tuner you are having issues with, as ivtv still doesn't say it's an issue

[04:28:03]

Milosch:

kormoc: you mean re: the 150?

[04:28:03]

Scryptik:

i thought u said dont get the Haupauge lol or was that dont get the 350

[04:28:09]

kormoc:

Milosch, yes

[04:28:13]

defaultro:

hey folks, I can't determine which really is the culprit. Let me pastebin it

[04:28:33]

Milosch:

kormoc: it's the encoder chip that is not supported, afaik (or did i mean decoder)

[04:28:50]

Milosch:

Scryptik: they're both hauppauge ;)

[04:29:03]

kormoc:

Milosch, no, all the ivtv cards's encoders are fully supported by ivtv, or at least, no-one has reported it to the ivtv people yet

[04:29:14]

defaultro:

look at this folks, http://www.pastebin.ca/326543

[04:29:16]

kormoc:

Milosch, all the encoders on the 150 are the same as far as they've said

[04:29:20]

Scryptik:

i ordered the haupauge 350 but was told get the 150+nvidia card with tvout instead now i am confused

[04:29:33]

defaultro:

my memory is low but page out is 0, and cpu R is bad

[04:29:38]

Milosch:

and hans, etc are aware of it

[04:29:54]

Milosch:

hr-1600 or something

[04:30:06]

Milosch:

cx25418 instead of 16 iirc

[04:30:09]

kormoc:

Milosch, got any mailing list chatter links bout it? I don't seem to have any in my inbox

[04:30:22]

defaultro:

so do you think guys memory is still the culprit for the video playback issue?

[04:30:51]

Milosch:

kormoc: ivtv-dev list has been talking for the last couple of weeks, also juski put a bulletin on mythtvtalk i believe

[04:31:07]

** kormoc blinks and pokes his account **

[04:31:30]

Milosch:

apparently they include a small piece of paper in the box to let you know about the replacement

[04:32:07]

kormoc:

Scryptik, well, the pvr 150 without the replacement encoder + nvidia card is the recommended solution :P

[04:32:17]

kormoc:

Milosch, fair 'nuff, I must have overlooked that chatter

[04:32:22]

Scryptik:

ohhh ok

[04:33:11]

Milosch:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight=

[04:33:40]

Scryptik:

I think i will try out the 350 and see how it works and upgrade later and just use the 350 as a second card if there is problems

[04:34:19]

kormoc:

Milosch, christ, that's ungodly nasty of them

[04:34:42]

Milosch:

Scryptik: i bought that one first not knowing, but i use it now in the bedroom for livetv, and for that it has what i think is a very nice output

[04:34:54]

Milosch:

kormoc: yeah, no sticker just a note in the box

[04:35:30]

Milosch:

Scryptik: but the menus for configuration are very slow, i can watch them draw

[04:37:18]

Aurelius:

my god

[04:37:24]

Aurelius:

that's evil

[04:38:39]

Scryptik:

well now i will have to get a videocard with tvout and try to find a 150

[04:39:09]

Milosch:

Scryptik: maybe cancel and get a 500, you may want two tuners pretty quick anyway

[04:39:14]

Aurelius:

yup

[04:39:16]

Aurelius:

get a 500

[04:39:23]

Scryptik:

so the 500 will work just fine

[04:40:22]

Milosch:

i am pretty sure they do not have a replacement for it yet, so it should be workable

[04:40:27]

Scryptik:

it says a 1.2gig processor is recommended for that card anyone running it with a 1gig

[04:40:56]

Milosch:

i have a 2GHz, but powernowd keeps it at 1G most of the time

[04:41:15]

Scryptik:

and it runs prett good that way?

[04:41:16]

Milosch:

but i have a 350 running on an old celeron

[04:41:21]

Scryptik:

lol

[04:41:44]

Milosch:

no real problems with the cards

[04:42:02]

Scryptik:

kk i will call and cancle the order

[04:42:37]

Milosch:

so for maybe about the same price you lose the decoder, but gain another tuner

[04:43:01]

Milosch:

as well as opengl and acceleration, etc from nvidia

[04:43:20]

Milosch:

for the cost of that card of course

[04:43:41]

Scryptik:

the 500 doesn't have a decoder?

[04:43:53]

Aurelius:

no

[04:43:56]

Aurelius:

just two encoders

[04:44:35]

Milosch:

right, it's the functional difference between a 150 and a 350, the mpeg decoder for the tv out

[04:44:40]

Milosch:

i hope i said that right

[04:44:43]

Scryptik:

and it will work without a decoder??

[04:44:47]

Aurelius:

yes

[04:45:09]

kslater:

the 350's decoder isn't all that terrific anyway

[04:45:13]

Milosch:

yes, mythtv can play the encoded files just fine

[04:45:38]

Scryptik:

man i would have had a headache if i had not come here tonight lol

[04:45:59]

Scryptik:

i will check ebay for a 500

[04:46:33]

Milosch:

i think that was where i bought mine, a whitebox pvr-500 kit with a remote and ir blaster

[04:46:49]

Scryptik:

i see a few there for 139.00

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Milosch:

i got mine cheaper, but the same seller doesn't have anything but jetdirects now ;)

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Scryptik:

now to talk the wife into letting me spend more

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Milosch:

oops

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Milosch:

Scryptik: make sure to compare apples to apples, i.e. some come with remote and some don't

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Milosch:

not that you can't get that separately

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Scryptik:

the only kit i see is the media center edition

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Dr_willis:

I perfer to compare Bannanna's to Mangos. :)

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Milosch:

i have compared them and found that i prefer the bananas

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Milosch:

Scryptik: that's what they call them

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Scryptik:

but i see some called whitebox and others are MCE

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Dr_willis:

I thought the whitebox ones normally dident come wth extra disks/manuals/tools.

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Milosch:

dunno, but mine did come in a white box and also with the remote, etc

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Dr_willis:

the Hauppage 150 i saw in the store the other day had a MCE edition that came with a mce remote.

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Dr_willis:

and a normal ed. that came with a Happuage remote

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Dr_willis:

the MCE ed. was more $$ :) and dident have the rebate.

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Milosch:

yeah, mine was around $100 from ebay, but that seller doesn't have them anymore

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Dr_willis:

150's were on sale with rebates.. for like $50 – so i grabbed one. :)

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Dr_willis:

now i watch more tv this month then i did all of last year.

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Scryptik:

the 500 have tvout?

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Aurelius:

no

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Scryptik:

hmmmmm

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Milosch:

the main reason i got the 500 was because i have limited space on a mini-atx motherboard

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Scryptik:

so what videocard is recommended that has tvout

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Aurelius:

i use a 7300gs

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Aurelius:

i can't wait till the intel 965 board's hda_intel audio is fullysupported

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Milosch:

Aurelius: hrm

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Milosch:

what's not supported?

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Aurelius:

when i tried using the onboard audio, i couldn't hear audio, and the mixer wasn't working

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Milosch:

ick

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Aurelius:

:)

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Aurelius:

i'd say that's unsupported hehehe

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Milosch:

i have that on my motheroard, it works but it's too quiet

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Aurelius:

well, do you have a 965 board?

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Scryptik:

so what do u guys use sound wise

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Milosch:

no, it's a giga-byte

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Aurelius:

i just use a cheapo sound card

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Aurelius:

high quality sound isn't super critical for us

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Milosch:

yes, cheapo card on the celeron sounds reasonable ;)

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Aurelius:

we're recording 24/7 at a low quality

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Scryptik:

i have a soundblaster pro audigy already in the machine

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Milosch:

it's just there for me to nod off to anyway

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Milosch:

i would think that card would be fine

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Scryptik:

but how would i get sound to the tv??? with it

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Aurelius:

mini plug to rca

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Aurelius:

adapter

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Scryptik:

i have one of them lying around somewhere

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Aurelius:

swq

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Aurelius:

erm

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Milosch:

basically, you're replacing your monitor with a tv, and your computer speakers with your tv, or better yet a stereo

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Scryptik:

i have a surround sound system i will be hooking too and hopefully will be able to use my cablebox too

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Scryptik:

granted i have a DVR here but i want more customization

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Milosch:

same here, the blaster in the kit works nicely for tuning the cable box

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Milosch:

so i can record hbo, etc

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Scryptik:

I work for Time Warner Cable and have their service here that i want to incorporate into the mythv since I get all channels for free

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Milosch:

svideo from cable box to pvr-500 svideo

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Milosch:

ah nice for you

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Dr_willis:

I need to get my blaster set to change the cable box.. someday

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echosyp:

i used synaptic to install mythtv, and im getting an error when connecting to database

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echosyp:

its using the wrong password but i don't know how to change it

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Scryptik:

might have to look into setting up the server for some ppl to access for the fights

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Milosch:

also, i have it set in a cronjob to send select to keep it from going to sleep

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Milosch:

they added that 'feature' on our boxes a few months ago

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Milosch:

along with fade to gray instead of black

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Scryptik:

yeah we have that

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Milosch:

i hate it

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echosyp:

how do i change the password mythtv-database is trying to use

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Scryptik:

well thanks for the help guys i am off to bed will talk to all of u later

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Milosch:

echosyp: with any luck it installed a file /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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Milosch:

with some autogenerated password

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** Milosch also needs to go to bed **

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Milosch:

later

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kgreeen:

ok so I installed the new kernel, I found that the video still played at 3x the speed with audio synced with it. I changed the recording profile for LiveTV and set it to mpeg4, now the video is in sync but I've lost audio :(

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kgreeen:

in the log I'm getting alot of audio buffer overflow messages

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kgreeen:

any suggestions ?

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spiderworm:

does mythtv have an auto-expire option for recordings?

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SeaWeed:

did some thing change in new version that today that cause bugget card to make myth-setup crash when trying to scan

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SeaWeed:

looks like nexus is scanning better but now my bugget will not scan it just cause's myth-setup to crash out and exit

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kormoc:

spiderworm, yes

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spiderworm:

kormoc: where can i find this setting?

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kormoc:

mythtv-setup has some (expire when disk space reaches below X), as well as enabling it

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kormoc:

then each recording has the option to autoexpire or not

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spiderworm:

kormoc: can i set it so that new recordings by default do not expire?

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

check the settings, it should be easy enough to tell

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Aurelius:

is it possible to set an autoexpire for 3 months?

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kormoc:

I think autoexpire is solely controled by disk space

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Aurelius:

hrm

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Eradan:

Having a heck of a time getting spdif digital passthrough ... i get static and the CRC check failed ... anyone seen this before that might have some guidance ?

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spiderworm:

according to this Oprah recording settings (sheesh, its for my wife, k?) auto expire is controlled by the number of episodes

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spiderworm:

i do remember actually setting this up.. years ago

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spiderworm:

thanks for the help, kormoc

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kormoc:

spiderworm, that's an option too, max shows, but that's just part of it

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spiderworm:

kormoc: oh? then what is the auto-expire option in the recording profile?

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spiderworm:

er, in the recording options? or whatever this is called

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kormoc:

"Auto-expire recordings"

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kormoc:

that can be unchecked and Max shows still does it's magic

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spiderworm:

ok

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defaultro:

guys, which memory is the best, XMS, Corsair, Crucial or Kingston?

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spiderworm:

so where is the time limit for auto-expire?

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kormoc:

spiderworm, there isn't one, it's a disk space limit and it's in mythtv setup like I said

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spiderworm:

ah, thanks :)

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** spiderworm begins to understand **

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kormoc:

defaultro, corsair is my vote, followed by cruial and then xms, then kingston

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

i'm thinking of replacing my crucial

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defaultro:

it's very stable though

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defaultro:

any thoughts why you chose corsair?

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kormoc:

I like them as a company, their ram has been really really nice and usually slightly better then they say on the packaging

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squish102:

ok how scary is it going to be to back up my myth database, remove mythtv and all related software and then once it has installed again, be able to restore my data and have all my recordings and stuff show up again?

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

squish, just did that

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defaultro:

not scary

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kormoc:

squish102, as long as you keep the recordings and put them back in the same spot after, it's rather easy

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defaultro:

it was smooth

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spiderworm:

kormoc: you were right on the money, thank you one more time

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defaultro:

although, took me time to troubleshoot QT

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kormoc:

you're welcome

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defaultro:

found out QT that it required mysql support

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defaultro:

coz I do everything from source

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defaultro:

you should be fine

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squish102:

ok, i cannot get ffmpeg to work, so i am gonna be brutal, and remove about 80 apps and reinstall..

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defaultro:

ffmpeg

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defaultro:

--enabled-gpl --enable-pp .........

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defaultro:

--enable-gpl

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defaultro:

that should do it

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squish102:

i run fc6 and atrpms, and it is screwed up

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defaultro:

atrpms

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defaultro:

ouch

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squish102:

tried rolling my own, but wat a mission

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defaultro:

atrpms is a headache

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defaultro:

yum is very smooth

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defaultro:

fedora channel doesn't like atrpms

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defaultro:

and once you do it with atrpms, you're on your own

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squish102:

it has been working fine for over a year, then something happened and now i get an error running ffmpeg

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defaultro:

just reinnstall it

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squish102:

reinstalled 100x, plus every library it uses

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squish102:

been working on this for 4 days now :(

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squish102:

all the help google gave did not help my situation :(

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defaultro:

sorry

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defaultro:

here is how i do it

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squish102:

defaultro, is there something in the wiki on backing up?

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defaultro:

if just installing libraries, i use yum

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defaultro:

backing up?

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defaultro:

mysqldump

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squish102:

oh ok

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squish102:

i did a ldd of ffmpeg

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defaultro:

no need to do that

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defaultro:

just reinstall

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squish102:

and then for every library, did a rpm -e --nodeps <package> and yum install package

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defaultro:

don't waste your time identifying what is missing, it might not match

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SeaWeed:

can some 1 help im trying to scan with a bugget card myth-setup crash out on me soon as i hit next to scan here is error that myth gives me http://www.pastebin.ca/326570

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squish102:

i have done a rpm --force -Uvh ffmpeg.at.rpm

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jbirkensteen:

i'm here

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defaultro:

i'm hoping that pc4000 is supported by my bobo

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defaultro:

mobo

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jbirkensteen:

okay... this works... here's a question: i installed and sort of set up mythtv before i had a capture card installed... now i can't get mythtv-setup to run again... any ideas?

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defaultro:

using those management tools gets your libraries confused

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defaultro:

just stick with one

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defaultro:

but me, i;m bad too, hehehe

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defaultro:

i love tar.gz

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defaultro:

jbirk, what issue?

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defaultro:

when you run setup

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defaultro:

wow, my machine supports PC4000 ram

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defaultro:

but wow, that's $149

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defaultro:

it's a DDR500

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jbirkensteen:

if i try mythtv-setup it complains that the backend is running (this is a single backend/frontend box)... i can run /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop and it stops the backend but then when i try mythtv-setup i just get a blank myth screen

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defaultro:

kill it

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defaultro:

how are you running it? from where?

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defaultro:

as root?

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defaultro:

as mythtv

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defaultro:

via ssh?

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defaultro:

how?

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defaultro:

who started X?

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jbirkensteen:

no, just a regular user... ubuntu alternate install with simple openbox gui... i open a terminal window and (as regular user) type "mythtv-setup"

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

are you sure that mythvbackend is killed?

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defaultro:

do this, ps ax|grep mythbac

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jbirkensteen:

yes... i try to stop it agin and it says it is not found running

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

hmmm

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jbirkensteen:

right, nothing there...

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defaultro:

what do you see when you run mythtv-setup

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jbirkensteen:

is there another myth process perhaps? frontend? database?

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defaultro:

does it bring up a window?

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defaultro:

ps ax|grep myth

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kormoc:

database is mysql, not myth, and it needs to be running

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jbirkensteen:

hey...

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defaultro:

what?

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defaultro:

you type so little

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defaultro:

:)

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jbirkensteen:

two instances of /usr/local/bin/mythtv.sh

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defaultro:

what does it contaiun

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defaultro:

contain?

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defaultro:

cat /usr/local/bin/mythtv.sh

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defaultro:

check crontab -e

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defaultro:

it might be started my cron

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defaultro:

then comment it out with #

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defaultro:

wait a minute or 2 then kill mythtv.sh

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jbirkensteen:

lemme check other crontabs...

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jbirkensteen:

errr., crontabs are all empty

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defaultro:

btw, i never thought of this, is CAS for the memory modifiable in CMOS or is it detected?

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defaultro:

jbirk, what's up

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defaultro:

i want to sleep now

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defaultro:

faster

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jbirkensteen:

let's see if yet another reboot gets me anywhere.

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defaultro:

no

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defaultro:

you don't need too

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defaultro:

you won't learn to troubleshoot

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jbirkensteen:

bah!

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jbirkensteen:

too late

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defaultro:

reboot is a Windows way

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jbirkensteen:

here it comes though

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defaultro:

LOL

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defaultro:

heheh

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jbirkensteen:

hah!

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jbirkensteen:

"just reinstall" someone said

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jbirkensteen:

okay... should i try it as root or my regular user?

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defaultro:

as long as you are in gui

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defaultro:

but try as root

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jbirkensteen:

ok

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jbirkensteen:

here goes

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defaultro:

later, show me this

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defaultro:

which mythtv-setup

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defaultro:

execute that command

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Jymmm:

I tried following these instructions on a virgin 6.10 box, but I musta mucked something up as I get permission issues when I try to start the backend. Did apt-get remove, then install. no luck. any suggestions? http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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jbirkensteen:

(excuse that last part)

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jbirkensteen:

okay, when i kick it off i get a warning that the backend is running...

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jbirkensteen:

when i hit "continue" it just sits there on a blank myth "blue" screen

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defaultro:

kill it

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defaultro:

you haven't learned

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jbirkensteen:

yep

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jbirkensteen:

that's for sure

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defaultro:

you already know earlier

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jbirkensteen:

hey... it looks like somehow it's failing to connect to the backend databse

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jbirkensteen:

which sucks

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defaultro:

is mysql running?

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defaultro:

netstat -na|grep 3306

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defaultro:

or ps ax|grep mysql

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jbirkensteen:

ps ax

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jbirkensteen:

(ignore those "unknown command" lines)

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jbirkensteen:

you know, after all i've been through on this box today i gotta pack it in for the night.

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jbirkensteen:

i think i need to work on my mysql database

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jbirkensteen:

thanks, defaultro, for trying...

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defaultro:

:)

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Aurelius:

mythweb is kinda cool

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defaultro:

there are nice howtos out there

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jbirkensteen:

shucks, just getting my wireless pci card, and my LVM back, and my NFS shares up... man...

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jbirkensteen:

later folks... thanks again

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Skiingsean:

hey all trying to see if I can get myth and this fusionhdtv card playing nice before i reboot into windows and watch tv.. Ive finally got myth setup.. i doubt the card is going to work but i show bt878A drivers installed, myth saw it, now when i try to watch live tv in mythfrontend it either says error no backend.. or error myth is using all available inputs if backend running

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Skiingsean:

any pointers on where to start

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Skiingsean:

im not pulling anything on the card yet

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lowone:

help! lol; I fail at trying to get data from svideo.. do i need to setup a extra capture card with a default of svideo or what am i missing :( (pvr500)

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lowone:

i tried to search the wiki but svideo seems to match all the output setups.. nothing for input :(

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lowone:

()

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lowone:

opps

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lowone:

(trying to capture svideo from winders box, first go around i tried to convince myth to have something defined on under input connections on 2nd tunner on the pvr 500, but alas i can not change to svideo on it)

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kormoc:

did you setup the svideo input in mythtv-setup?

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lowone:

i created a dummy video source channel for it, and then assigned the an input connection to it

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kormoc:

that should work

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lowone:

i set its channel as 1234, and punching that in on the front end changes to the right tuner.. but it displays w/e the last channel the tuner cable tuner was on..

[07:00:54]

lowone:

oh well cant do anything now for 30min~ lol

[07:01:10]

lowone:

scheduled recording just took over my testing

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lowone:

while i wait.. which was does priority work in myth? is lower number higher priority? or is lower number lower priority?

[07:18:28]

lowone:

way*

[07:19:43]

Dagmar:

Priority follows numeric value

[07:22:20]

lowone:

so a priority of 2 beats a 1 ?

[07:28:20]

lowone:

how do i add my own guide data?/grabber? i know i want to capture from my dummy channel for 3.5~ hours every wednesday and sunday at the same start time?

[07:28:38]

lowone:

if i can get it up and capturing svideo

[07:30:52]

lowone:

hmmm dummy channnel just gives me black :(

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kgreen:

hi again ;-)

[07:38:04]

lowone:

wooo there it goes ;)

[07:38:26]

lowone:

now if only i can come up with a way to add my own guide data

[07:38:40]

Dagmar:

You don't need to.

[07:39:22]

lowone:

how do I have it record a specific time?

[07:39:34]

kgreen:

figured out some more about my video/audio situation, my video is tied to my audio stream. When I change the recoreded profile sample rate the video playback rate is affected.

[07:40:09]

lowone:

ie i want it to record 7pm -> 10:30pm pst wednesdays and 6pm->9:30pm sundays? (ffxi dynamis nights)

[07:40:39]

Dagmar:

You tell it to record at a specific time.

[07:41:03]

Dagmar:

This is *not* complex when you are actually sitting there in front of the myth box, so no I will not be elaborating.

[07:44:17]

kgreen:

so now I'm stuck, if I select a sample rate of over 32000 I get video and sound that is faster then normal, but If I select 32000 my audio is muted

[07:44:35]

Dagmar:

What tuner card do you have?

[07:45:14]

Dagmar:

'cuz honestly, I don't see a lot of point in using something other than the default 44kHz

[07:46:06]

kgreen:

sa7134

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kgreen:

err it's a kworld , useing the saa7134 drivers

[07:47:31]

kgreen:

This only happens with liveTV, recorded media play and sound fine

[07:47:49]

Dagmar:

Got some unpleasant news for you then

[07:47:59]

Dagmar:

There's no difference between LiveTV and recordings

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kgreen:

well when I set my setup -> TV setup -> recording profiles -> software encoders -> LiveTV audio sample rate over 32000 , the mythtv plays faster then realtime, when I select 32000 it's muted but the video plays at the proper speed

[07:49:55]

Agrajag-:

hey xris you about? what was the command line switch (or .nuvexportrc) option to force an aspect ratio in nuvexport? nuvexport still gets the aspect ratio of my recordings wrong, so when i try to nuvexport it does it wrong

[07:50:26]

xris:

Agrajag-: I *just* committed a change to force the output aspect ratio

[07:50:32]

Dagmar:

kgreen: I can't think of any reason why it would misbehave like that. I would suggest taking a close look at the settings between that profile and the highest quality one you use

[07:50:35]

Agrajag-:

yeah i saw that eheh, that's what reminded me

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xris:

Agrajag-: what format are you using for export?

[07:50:53]

Agrajag-:

xvid

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xris:

Agrajag-: container type?

[07:51:38]

Agrajag-:

original recording is mpeg (ts)

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xris:

output, though?

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kgreen:

well when I say recordings i'm talking about dvd/ripps , not recorded livetv

[07:51:53]

xris:

xvid is usually output in avi containers, which don't support aspect ratio

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Dagmar:

kgreen: Okay, then basically you're saying *all* your TV recordings don't work properly

[07:52:17]

Agrajag-:

oh right, i assumed xvid was always avi

[07:52:17]

Agrajag-:

hmm

[07:52:38]

t0ny-p40:

Is there a way to stop flicking on stuff like cartoons?

[07:52:43]

Dagmar:

kgreen: You might want to set the sample rate to 44000 to eliminate the chance that your alsa drivers aren't screwing you

[07:53:00]

kgreen:

Dagmar: correct only my DVD and ripps work properly

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Agrajag-:

xris: btw had to do this: http://pastebin.ca/326646 when i tried transcode

[07:53:30]

Dagmar:

kgreen: Unless you have hearing issues, going down to 32000 is actually going to be noticeable in the highest end of the freq range

[07:53:40]

xris:

Agrajag-: thought I fixed that last week

[07:53:58]

Agrajag-:

hmm i just did an svn up and it was there

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Dagmar:

kgreen: Additionally, the amount of disk audio takes up is *pathetically small* compared to the video. You are not saving any significant space by selecting a weird sample rate

[07:54:19]

kgreen:

Dagmar: well If I set the sample rate to 44000, then liveTV will play at 3x normal. It constantly is buffer pauseing and when I set the time back, it will catch up to live in 1/3 the time it is supposed to

[07:54:46]

Dagmar:

kgreen: Oh well.

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Agrajag-:

anyway, if avi doesn't support aspect ratio then im just doing with width/height wrong i guess – but nuvexport puts the default value in for me

[07:55:02]

Dagmar:

Crap like this is why I don't touch lamegrabber cards

[07:55:42]

kgreen:

what would you recommend instead?

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xris:

Agrajag-: should be able to specify --width and --height

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Dagmar:

A cheap Hauppauge PVR-150, or if you want to go dual-tuner, a PVR-500.

[07:57:17]

Dagmar:

kgreen: I kid you not the difference between cards with hardware accelleration and Bt8x8 cards is like day and night

[07:57:17]

xris:

Agrajag-: but there's always --force_aspect (it's in nuvexportrc with quite a bit of documentation)

[07:57:18]

Agrajag-:

xris: ok, guess i'll have to get the calculator out :P. where does it get the defaults from though?

[07:57:39]

Agrajag-:

xris: oh that's the other thing – nuvexport seems to be ignoring my ~/.nuvexportrc altogether

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xris:

default width comes from the recording. height is calculated from the input aspect ratio

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xris:

uless you specify. then it uses those values for the defaults

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Agrajag-:

unless the format has changed since i last wrote my nuvexportrc

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kgreen:

well I bought this card because it was supposed to be supported by v4l and be HDTV compatable

[07:58:00]

xris:

Agrajag-: weird. have you tried the --profile stuff?

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Agrajag-:

nup

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Dagmar:

kgreen: ATSC?

[07:58:49]

Dagmar:

kgreen: If you want to verify the card is working right, you should try something like TVTime, which "just" plays TV

[07:59:44]

kgreen:

tvtime plays Tv without any sound, I can get a proper sound recording useing an arecord -D hw:1,0 | aplay -

[08:00:34]

kgreen:

I can get proper sound and video from seperate programs but I cannot get it to work properly in mythtv

[08:00:51]

kgreen:

yes ATSC

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kgreen:

thought I am using the analog section of the card until the HDTV line is active

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Dagmar:

kgreen: OKay so something's going wrong with the encoding mechanism then, which I don't ever have to mess with

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kgreen:

hrm ok, thank you very much for your time, do you have a recommendation of someone who I could talk you?

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xris:

Agrajag-: try that. it'll be custom to your nuvexportrc and guarantee that things are loading

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hads:

Does anyone else get a leftover bit of the OSD at the bottom of a video when playing videos wih mythvideo (Internal player)?

[08:16:37]

hads:

Actually there's just a strip down the bottom flashing most of the time.

[08:17:49]

hads:

It only seems to happen with avi files which are widescreen. 4:3 ones don't have it.

[08:19:40]

hads:

Actually For example, a 720x416 avi doesn't do it but a 524x212 does.

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hads:

Hmm, s/Actually//

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stuarta:

morning all!!!! everyone had a good play in the snow?

[09:15:09]

Zider:

not yet

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fatmatt:

26degC here, not much snow about today

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stuarta:

i'm happy when it snows here (UK) 'cause it justifies the crap weather the rest of the year.

[09:18:45]

Zider:

-8 here

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stuarta:

is somewhere between 1–3c here

[09:19:27]

hads:

Summer here.

[09:19:44]

hads:

Not a particually good one though

[09:20:48]

Zider:

we just got snow here.. been a slow winter :P

[09:21:47]

jduggan:

yea i woke up to snow here

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jduggan:

almost crashed going round a mini round-about in the science park i work on

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stuarta:

got a bit excited?

[09:25:16]

ivor:

SNOOOOWWWWWW

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ivor:

yay

[09:25:37]

** stuarta lobs a snowball at ivor **

[09:25:50]

** ivor makes a snow angel. **

[09:25:59]

** Zider makes a snow devil **

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** Dagmar curses the permafrost on his windshield **

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Dagmar:

Frosted windows are not funny when your apartment is on the banks of a river.

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** Zider stuffs some snow in stuartas pants **

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** stuarta goes the cold nads dance **

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Dagmar:

You scrape the windows, get inside, start the engine, and watch the exterior *and interior* frost right back up

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stuarta:

s/goes/does

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Dagmar:

You clean up again, drive about 50 yards, and have to stop and do it all over again.

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hads:

Does anyone else get a strip of flashing/leftover OSD at the bottom of a video when playing videos wih mythvideo (Internal player)? It only happens with widescreen avi files (.40 type ratio).

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Zider:

the DVD player stuttered again last night when switching scene

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ivor:

Dagmar: just hit the heated windscreen button. duh. :)

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juski:

snow?! Nooooooooooooooo!

[10:09:02]

juski:

took me 90 mins to get to work today *without* snow

[10:09:07]

stuarta:

yipee!!!

[10:09:46]

juski:

yeah some guy crashed his car on the M60 at 4.30am. closed 3 lanes

[10:09:49]

juski:

fucktard

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juski:

on the plus side, Manchester city council will be unveiling road charging plans today

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rsdvd:

juski : are they? congestion cahrge style?

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rsdvd:

thnx

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Dagmar:

ivor: I have a 325i. It was made before they added that

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stuarta:

it's snowing again!! 8-)

[10:32:28]

Dagmar:

So, here's a fun thing

[10:32:58]

Dagmar:

I just realized that literally everyone's program guide themes completely ignore the overscan border

[10:36:51]

juski:

mine allow 5%

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juski:

so :-P

[10:39:36]

Dagmar:

Even MythCenter

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Dagmar:

[10:40:13]

Dagmar:

The video thumbnail is inside there but...

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Dagmar:

...almost everything else aligns to 20 on the x coord

[10:41:19]

Dagmar:

I'm going to be making i18n work on the lcars thing impossible, so I figure I should at least avoid committing any more venal sins

[10:41:59]

juski:

bah

[10:42:06]

juski:

let the lazy user rescale his own gui

[10:42:16]

Dagmar:

Well, that's kinda my thinking

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juski:

besides, what's enough overscan allowance for some won't be for others

[10:42:43]

Dagmar:

...but I just updated the 4:3 cheatsheet for element placement and added a suggestion people use it in MythGallery to set their overscan compensation

[10:42:54]

Dibblah:

Ooooooh!

[10:42:55]

Dibblah:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2649#comment:2

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Dagmar:

When I get home I'm probably going to do that very thing myself

[10:43:04]

Dibblah:

Does the happy bouncy dance...

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juski:

<whine> you only allow 5% but my new plasma TV from honkyo corp. overscans by 50% </whine>

[10:43:24]

** stuarta looks in his mailbox **

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Dagmar:

Dibblah: Does this mean I might be able to turn that back on with nVidia XvMC and have it not crash the frontend?

[10:43:35]

Dibblah:

Maybe.

[10:43:57]

Dibblah:

I didn't see crashes – Just 0 performance.

[10:43:58]

Dagmar:

"FX5200 cannot cope with more then basic opengl deinterlacing" <-- bullshit

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: If you're going to bitch and moan about it, fix it.

[10:44:32]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: Myself and kormoc as well (IIRC) were having the frontend just crash completely when going to the program guide from LiveTV because of the thumbnail video

[10:44:36]

Dibblah:

If you can't fix it, don't bitch and moan :)

[10:44:50]

Dagmar:

I have it "fixed". I just worked around it.

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Dibblah:

That'll be preview video turned off, then?

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Dagmar:

No, that would be just using --disable-xvmc-opengl

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Dagmar:

The problem immediately ceased

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Dibblah:

That option isn't enabled by default. There are, I'm sure, reasons for that :)

[10:46:52]

Dagmar:

As to the deinterlacing, I'm not sure what the guy is going on about with deinterlacing in OpenGL. Just enabling flickerfree in nvidia-settings makes it deinterlace to s-video output

[10:47:04]

Dagmar:

Maybe it doesn't do that with DVI, I dunno

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juski:

the flicker filter is in the TV encoder

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juski:

so no it doesn't affect DVI

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Dagmar:

Would you even need it with that tho? I guess maybe

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Dibblah:

flickerfree. Uh... Huh.

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Dibblah:

That's not a deinterlacer. That's a smearyvision filter :)

[10:50:41]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: It comes out sharp as razors here

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Dibblah:

Odd.

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Dagmar:

0/TVFlickerFilter[TV-0]=127

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Dibblah:

Maybe the behaviour has changed since last time I used it.

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juski:

look in the logs from july last year.. I came in all shocked & puzzled that the video looked fab without deinterlacing

[11:14:25]

juski:

job hunting this lunchytime I think

[11:15:02]

juski:

pay me £5k less but if don't have to spend 3 hours in the car every day I'll be happier

[11:15:02]

stuarta:

oh dear.

[11:15:22]

stuarta:

put your CV on cwjobs and agents will ring you.

[11:15:57]

juski:

electronics jobs in the NW are all over this way

[11:16:22]

juski:

bloody cheshire

[11:30:52]

juski:

maybe I should try face to face user support & you lot could have sweeps on how long I'd last

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stuarta:

hehe, or how much valium is required

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jduggan:

heh, you would hate my job ;)

[11:32:07]

jduggan:

i deal with lusers on a daily basis

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juski:

I don;t hate my job so much. it's the bastard travelling

[11:32:26]

pat_:

can anybody tell me how to get upnp to report transcoded recordings as video/mp4 rather than text/plain as the mime type?

[11:32:41]

juski:

I'm not gonna move away from civilisation either :)

[11:32:52]

juski:

runcorn == arsehole of the North

[11:32:55]

jduggan:

i live in the same town as i work.. like maybe 4/5 miles away.. takes me 45minutes to get to work

[11:33:07]

stuarta:

get a pushy

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juski:

you could walk farther in the same time (just about)

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jduggan:

yea its nasty walk though

[11:34:18]

stuarta:

average walking speed = 4 mph

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jduggan:

all uphill mainly ;)

[11:34:34]

jduggan:

plus, bad weather heh

[11:34:40]

jduggan:

although i was considering cycling

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stuarta:

that'd be my answer

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jduggan:

when the weather gets a little better

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juski:

get fitter too :)

[11:36:33]

rsdvd:

I work at home – by commute means crossing the landing :-)

[11:37:20]

juski:

if I didn't have a conscience I might set up in business selling mythtv boxen

[11:37:38]

juski:

"oh, you broked it? bye! (click)"

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stuarta:

juski = BOFH!

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rsdvd:

buy S100 in bulk and sell them as appliances

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juski:

er.. no

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rsdvd:

:-)

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juski:

they'd be useless as that

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rsdvd:

don;t know – add a freeview card to the PCI :-)

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juski:

won't work

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juski:

someone at work tried it

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rsdvd:

too slow?

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juski:

too er.. crashy & system hangy

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juski:

chipset foibles

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juski:

or something

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rsdvd:

ok

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juski:

saying that the guy at work needs a cluebat sometimes, so maybe it'd work no bother.. just never tried it myself

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rsdvd:

lol

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juski:

said this before – pity no STB manufacturer puts LAN ports on their boxes

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juski:

if someone did, and it had mythweb-like stuff & network video playing there'd be no need for myth in my house

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juski:

.. that's IF it was actually reliable & easy to use of course ;)

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rsdvd:

there are some with LAN but none (that I know of) that allow you to stream/copy the recordings

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juski:

not arsed about copying

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juski:

it'd only be slightly frustrating if all my recordings vanished

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rsdvd:

you can design the firt STB then.......make/Get a shell case then build a silent non-itx with a decent HDD and a freeview – you make a fortune :-)

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juski:

if Joe Bloggs wanted such stuff it'd already be marketed

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rsdvd:

true – but you could make a decent amount for the more techy 'joe Bloggs' liek the people in here

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juski:

hahaha most of the fleeting visitors here are hardly what I'd call techy. they're the ones who need a ready-made box

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juski:

I don't even consider myself very techy

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rsdvd:

and so are moer likely yo buy a ready-made mythtv STB......the same people that prefer to pay extra for a ready-made lirc reciver

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fatmatt:

I still haven't worked out lirc

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rsdvd:

fatmatt ; what is there to work out ?

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fatmatt:

rsdvd, I use a programmable remote and an IR keyboard, I haven't even thought about looking into lirc

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fatmatt:

well, I have, when I got it the choice was between lirc capable IR reciever or a $50 Ir keyboard, I went the simple route and haven't looked back

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rsdvd:

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fatmatt:

yah, but my soldering is pretty shocking.

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juski:

I charge too much for labour

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rsdvd:

:-)

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fatmatt:

ditto with time

[11:59:17]

juski:

sub em out :)

[12:02:21]

rsdvd:

I know lots of people with them......they are fine but lack some of the extras you get with Myth

[12:02:45]

rsdvd:

the humax ones get good write-ups

[12:02:49]

thufir007:

hmm. seems sweeter to use a lirc (thanks rsdvd) and ethernet cable from a stb to the pc to stream video *from* the pc.

[12:03:16]

fatmatt:

yeah, I've potinted people to the topfield. There's some hacks you can do to get almost myth functionality out of the tv guide

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pat_:

doesn't it plug right in to icetv guide data?

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fatmatt:

not that I've had a chance to play with them, just reviews etc

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fatmatt:

yeah, it'll do icetv but from the page of hacks I saw it looked (in a brief overlook) that all you need is a few script changes and an xmltv data source

[12:04:59]

fatmatt:

and it'll do any guide data

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juski:

heh there aren't half some 'toppy' zealots

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pat_:

shrug, I went with icetv guide for my myth box, because I felt the data was good and reliable

[12:05:32]

juski:

wth is icetv ?

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pat_:

http://www.icetv.com.au/

[12:05:52]

juski:

ah

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fatmatt:

commercial xml tv guide data provider in Australia

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pat_:

apart from d2 I think it is the only legal place to get your data

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pat_:

or it used to be

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pat_:

(scrapers have varying legality levels)

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fatmatt:

the oztivo guys are legal, well, nobody has sued them yet

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fatmatt:

do channel 9 still have an outstanding case against icetv?

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pat_:

probably, haven't heard anything about it though

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pat_:

not for a while

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pat_:

anyway, I'm meant to be cleaning the study not stuffing around with the computer

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fatmatt:

don't remind me

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Gordon87:

hi all.. I have a slight problem with a recording that causes my frontend to segfault when previewed.. I cant work out how to delete it, even mythweb seems intent on accessing it to create thumbnails.. is there some handy sql way to kill it?

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fatmatt:

Gordon87, you can turn off the preview window in the front end settings

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Gordon87:

ooh that might do it.. i've tried swapping the decoder from libmpeg2 to xvmc to standard.. to see if one might not die

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fatmatt:

I've had the odd dodgy recording

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fatmatt:

it's helped me

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Gordon87:

kickass.. that solved it thanks

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Gordon87:

for my next trick. i get to write a script that will unload all my dvb modules (as loaded by knoppmyth) and reload in a consistent order so mythbackend doesnt screw up

[12:19:02]

Gordon87:

unless you know of a way to force-bind drivers to dvb adapter numbers =)

[12:19:22]

Gordon87:

problem is I'm using dvb-t pci, dvb-t usb2, dvb-s pci

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Gordon87:

and they come up in totally random order each time atm

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juski:

easy

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juski:

udev rules

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juski:

or module blacklisting

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Gordon87:

im not too familiar with udev

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juski:

udev rules will be the better of the 2 to use because then you won't be left with the problem of cards using the same modules still ending up in a random order

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juski:

er.. I think that was a sentence

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Gordon87:

sounds good.. got a url where I can go read em ?

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juski:

www.google.com

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juski:

search for 'udev rules'

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Gordon87:

right ;-) was kinda hoping u'd have a better link, I'll go google =) thanks for the pointer anyways

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juski:

I started reading something about udev rules then ran away

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Gordon87:

otherwise, my myth build is going well =)

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juski:

looks madly complicated

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Gordon87:

aye, i'll work it out.. i've kinda ignored the whole of udev & devfs, Im still kinda used to the old fixed dev system with nodes & all

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juski:

I wouldn't expect you'd have to pee about with udev rules with knoppmyth though.. that's kind lame IMHO

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Gordon87:

lol.. its my fault

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Gordon87:

it works fine if I dont reboot ;-)

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Gordon87:

its not straight knoppmyth (r5e50) anymore anyways

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Gordon87:

had to rebuild kernel for nvidia drivers, add lirc imon vfd patches, etc

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fatmatt:

Gordon87, you got vfd working with mythlcd?

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Gordon87:

yep

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fatmatt:

I can't get myth to put anything on the display even though I can put text up on it manually

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Gordon87:

mythlcdserver etc

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Gordon87:

2 secs..

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fatmatt:

yeah, don't even get error message

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fatmatt:

s

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Gordon87:

its yet another thing I think i need to fix up inside

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Gordon87:

(silverstone lc11m case)

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fatmatt:

LC16M here, v nice

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Gordon87:

thats the taller one? cards can go in vertical ?

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fatmatt:

but ubuntu

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fatmatt:

yes

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Gordon87:

in /etc/LCDd.conf u need Driver=imon

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fatmatt:

yes, got that, I can load the modules but still nada from any of the daemons

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Gordon87:

and DriverPath= wherever u put imon.so

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Gordon87:

modprobe lirc_dev

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Gordon87:

modprobe lirc_imon

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Gordon87:

/etc/init.d/LCDd start

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Gordon87:

lcdproc

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Gordon87:

then run mythfrontend

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fatmatt:

do you put the whole path ie /path/to/driver/imon.so ??

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Gordon87:

nope, just Driver=imon

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Gordon87:

# NOTE: Always place a slash as last character !

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Gordon87:

DriverPath=/usr/lib/lcdproc/

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Gordon87:

(where i have /usr/lib/lcdproc/imon.so)

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fatmatt:

hmm, weird, I'm using imon_vfd only, but it's imon_vfd.ko

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Gordon87:

wrong module!

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Gordon87:

imon.so is for LCDd / lcdproc part of stuff

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Gordon87:

lirc_imon.ko is the kernel module for the device

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Gordon87:

interesting you have an imon_vfd.ko tho..

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Gordon87:

is that from venky's site?

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fatmatt:

yes

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Gordon87:

mebbe thats where we differ then.. im using the lirc_imon.ko that comes with lirc

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Gordon87:

so I guess tho, that u'd be doing..

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Gordon87:

modprobe imon_vfd.so

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Gordon87:

/etc/init.d/LCDd start

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Gordon87:

lcdproc

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Gordon87:

with the DriverPath= set to where imon.so is

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Gordon87:

i did hit a permissions prob at one point where I'd done the setup as root & found mythlcdserver couldnt write to the device

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fatmatt:

I don't have an imon.so....

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Gordon87:

hmm.. you can write stuff to it manually ?

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fatmatt:

yup

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fatmatt:

it works, but the LCDd doesn't see it.

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fatmatt:

LCDd: Could not load driver imon

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Gordon87:

right, sounds like thats the prob then..

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Gordon87:

need to work out why you dont have imon.so for LCDd

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fatmatt:

I think that LCDd is looing for imon but for some reason imon_vfd isn't recognised as being imon

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Gordon87:

its not

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Gordon87:

imon_vfd is the kernel module.. your equivalent of my lirc_dev & lirc_imon

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Gordon87:

imon.so is totally seperate

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fatmatt:

ahh

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Gordon87:

imon.so is part of the LCDd stuff

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Gordon87:

and is what it needs to talk to your imon_vfd.ko

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fatmatt:

I'll check out venky tomorrow. Its a start anyway.

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fatmatt:

gnite

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Gordon87:

k.. just check ur LCDd install

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Gordon87:

hmm.. seems google is full of ppl attempting to use udev to configure dvb card order, but no examples yet =)

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cybergyp1y:

any suggestions for a 'power search' query to only record a show over 15 minutes ?

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stuarta:

and (endtime – starttime) > 15

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cybergyp1y:

i have tried :-

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cybergyp1y:

AND MINUTE(program.endtime) – MINUTE(program.starttime) > 15

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cybergyp1y:

ok , will try that

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stuarta:

might need to have program.endtime & program.starttime

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Gordon87:

ok.. I think I can see how to pervert udev to do what I need..

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Gordon87:

my udev rules are doing this atm...

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Gordon87:

# video devices

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Gordon87:

NAME="%c"

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Gordon87:

I'll have to convert that to using the dvb.sh approach used elsewhere on the web

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Gordon87:

then I can use bash to query the PHYSDEVPATH (if pci) or PHYSDEVPATH then vendor & prodid (for usb) to convert the number

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juski:

just been watching a few mediaportal demo videos. looks like it works well. can't say it looks nice though

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rsdvd:

I thought you liked mediaportal – isn't that where 'project mayhem' came from?

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juski:

nah

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juski:

I tried mediaportal a while ago & foung it impossible to get worky

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juski:

you've never read the README.txt for projectgrayhem obviously :-P

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rsdvd:

I use your blootube themes – not using ProjectGreyhem anywhere

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** stuarta quite like project grahem **

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stuarta:

likes even

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Gordon87:

is it required for the dvb adapter numbers to be sequential?

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janneg:

no

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Gordon87:

is there any reason why I cant place my dvb-t as adapter0–4 and my dvb-s as 5–9, and then any ones not matched by my special rules end up at 10+

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Gordon87:

with gaps where not found

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Gordon87:

okie.. coding dvb.sh

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juski:

Gordon87: I recognise your name from a certain forum i think

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Gordon87:

juski, which one?

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juski:

mythtvtalk.com?

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Gordon87:

hmm.. doubt it

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juski:

mr "ten dvb tuners in mythtv" ?

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Gordon87:

lol.. no not me =)

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Gordon87:

i've only got the 3 here atm

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stuarta:

mr "run out of pci bandwidth" :)

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juski:

myth will only support 8 out of the box anyway

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Gordon87:

i only have dvb-t pci, dvb-t usb2, dvb-s pci

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Gordon87:

(and 2 more dvb-s pci, and 2 more dvb-t usb1 that are not in use)

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stuarta:

you are watching far too much tv if you need 10 tuners

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fysa:

haha

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Gordon87:

2x dvb-s pci's are ff cards, with blown composite out jacks, but functional svideo

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Gordon87:

also have 3x uk sa1 tivo's

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juski:

that's pointless for mythtv, the ff cards

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fysa:

ff?

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Gordon87:

true, but I was running vdr

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Gordon87:

dvb support pre-0.20 in myth just wasnt enough to make me use it

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fysa:

BBEdit is asking me, "Are you sure you want to open 4189 items?" – this ought to be fun.

[13:46:51]

juski:

so despite myth not being able to do whole transponder recording you're switching?

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juski:

interesting :)

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Gordon87:

hehe.. switching 'some' =)

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Gordon87:

I still got the spare's to build a vdr box.

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Gordon87:

might have to, as the whole decoding channels in myth thing is a bit undiscussed..

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juski:

decoding channels with software?

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Gordon87:

doable, but understandably kept below the radar

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Gordon87:

yep

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juski:

NO

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Gordon87:

indeed.. hence why I'm not asking for any support

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juski:

never mind that – you won't get it

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stuarta:

good :)

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Gordon87:

wont get it? its working fine thanks

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GreyFoxx:

As in wont get support

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GreyFoxx:

at least not in here

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juski:

or anywhere I know of

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Gordon87:

heh.. ah yeah, I understand mythtv's position on it, and have no issues with that

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juski:

fucking cable theives

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Gordon87:

cable? satellite =)

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Gordon87:

I dont have cable

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juski:

same thing

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stuarta:

ANYWAY.......

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Gordon87:

aye. . best change the subject =)

[13:50:09]

Gordon87:

fwiw, I have a full sub in the country in question.

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Gordon87:

and a full sky movies sub here, so I _am_ paying

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Gordon87:

back to my dvb driver script =)

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Gordon87:

just got to work out how to get PHYSDEVPATH into the shell

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juski:

just use udev rules

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Gordon87:

i am =)

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juski:

so why do you need a script?

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Gordon87:

because I want to be a little more creative than the rules allow

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Dagmar:

Creativity is bad.

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juski:

fair nuff

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Dagmar:

Being "clever" is an almost guaranteed way for something to break horribly in less than six months.

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Gordon87:

lol thanks

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Gordon87:

im only using the dvb.sh approach with udev that is in common use elsewhere

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Gordon87:

except my script will be a little more entertaining

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juski:

will it dance>

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juski:

?

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Gordon87:

oh yes =)

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fryfrog:

anyone know solaris?

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Zider:

slowaris

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fryfrog:

I need to specify which interface the default gw should use... but i'm not having much luck figuring it out

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fryfrog:

stupid solaris

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Dagmar:

man route, dude

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Dagmar:

Although it's probably route add default gw hme0

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stuarta:

put it in /etc/gateways from memory

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fryfrog:

yeah, solaris man pages suck :/

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fryfrog:

its /etc/defaultrouter

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fryfrog:

but as far as i can tell, it takes only an ip

[14:04:22]

stuarta:

yeah, that'll be the one :)

[14:04:26]

fryfrog:

eri0 and eri0:1 are in the same *subnet*

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fryfrog:

and its picking eri0:1 instead of eri0 :/

[14:04:41]

fryfrog:

solaris is for bitches

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fryfrog:

:p

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juski:

I heard the best 'which distro pwns' discussions are had over in #never_got_laid

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** janneg is still puzzled that mplayer plays his HD h264 fine while mythtv has problems **

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juski:

seen mythtv use way more cpu than other players in the past

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fryfrog:

-setsrc

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fryfrog:

sort of did it :/

[14:16:30]

cybergyp1y:

for anyone else wondering how to specify the minimum length of a programme capture :-

[14:16:33]

cybergyp1y:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/243709

[14:16:38]

cybergyp1y:

works a treat

[14:16:43]

cybergyp1y:

thanks y`all

[14:16:59]

janneg:

yeah, it has to be a problem in mythtv. I'm using the same libav* versions.

[14:18:05]

stuarta:

most likely on the output side, since the decoding *should* do everything the same

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stuarta:

unless of course we are starving the decoder.

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janneg:

and the big h264 improvements in libavcodec since our last resync doesn't seem to have an effect

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stuarta:

interesting...

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Dibblah:

jan2600: I've seen this with mpeg2 on PIII-450s.

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Dibblah:

janneg: Plenty enough oomph in mplayer, but not in mythfrontend.

[14:20:22]

Dibblah:

I didn't test in mythtv, but I don't see why that should make much difference.

[14:20:37]

Dibblah:

Tried a oprofile – Nothing stuck out.

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Gordon87:

woot.. it works.. my dvb devices are now init'd in a fixed order

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fryfrog:

score! udev?

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Gordon87:

udev + bash

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janneg:

yeah, I saw also nothing with oprofile

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Gordon87:

# video devices

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Gordon87:

KERNEL=="dvb*", PROGRAM="/etc/udev/scripts/dvb.sh %k $ENV{PHYSDEVPATH}", ACTION=="add", NAME="%c"

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stuarta:

which implies logic flaws instead of inefficient coding

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juski:

I wish there was a local lug who'd have a night of explaning udev

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juski:

rather than "here's a new distro to try"

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Gordon87:

thats my udev rule.. calls /etc/udev/scripts/dvb.sh passing the udev name.. and PHYSDEVPATH

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Gordon87:

from there in the bash, I do a little egrepping on the PHYSDEVPATH to work out which of my devices it is.

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Gordon87:

then assign fixed numbers to the return string

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Gordon87:

if I dont recognise it.. I add 10 to the number it wanted to use ;-) then return that

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Gordon87:

thus causing unrecognised stuff not to interfere

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Gordon87:

however, its not brilliant, if I move the cards around, it WILL break

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Gordon87:

that would be 'the proper way'

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Gordon87:

(aka.. too much work for now)

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niter3:

ah! I hate the mornings at work!

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juski:

looking for a plain english guide to udev beats working

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Gordon87:

juski, from what I can work out, you basically go poking around /sys to find out addtional ways to really identify the thing udev is making a dev node for

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Milosch:

grr, my clock keeps going off by 20–30 minutes

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stuarta:

Milosch: ntp?

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Gordon87:

then you build rules that say.. when you are trying to make a node like this.. try to match this, and call the node this instead

[14:28:16]

niter3:

Milosch: set it to your local

[14:28:19]

juski:

see there you've lost me already Gordon87

[14:28:26]

Milosch:

set it to my local?

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niter3:

You can usually set your time to your local time (cmos time)

[14:28:57]

Gordon87:

juski, this would be why my system is working.. but breaks in entertaining ways =)

[14:29:13]

niter3:

Milosch: Just do a quick google. What distro are you using?

[14:29:26]

Milosch:

i have set it a few times, it seems mythfrontend is changing it

[14:29:41]

niter3:

what distro are you using?

[14:29:49]

Milosch:

ubuntu edgy

[14:30:12]

Milosch:

i've done ntpdate pool.ntp.org, which sets it to the correct time

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juski:

umbongo has a tickbox for enabling ntp sync though

[14:31:57]

Milosch:

i'm familiar with all that, i don't believe the mobo is losing time that badly

[14:32:17]

juski:

mythtv doesn't do anything to your system time AFAIK

[14:32:19]

Milosch:

mythfrontend uses /dev/rtc?

[14:32:59]

juski:

probably only reads it not changes it

[14:33:05]

Milosch:

for instance, with frontend running i can't run hwclock to do systohc

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niter3:

is UTC enabled?

[14:33:21]

Milosch:

i don't think so

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Milosch:

must be something with the /etc/adjtime file

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Milosch:

since it is not a 1 hour jump

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niter3:

Milosch: why don't you use ntpdate

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niter3:

and have it run through a cron job every 2 hours

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juski:

a mere workaround, not a fix

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Milosch:

it's weird, the board has been in use for 3 months, and this problem just started recently, oh well

[14:39:23]

Milosch:

running openntpd now, fwiw

[14:41:09]

stuarta:

anyone who suggests running ntpdate on a regular basis should be *shot*

[14:41:23]

stuarta:

ntp is the *right* way

[14:41:29]

stuarta:

not *ntpdate*

[14:41:37]

stuarta:

</rant>

[14:42:40]

Milosch:

i don't understand how the clock could drift that badly, though

[14:42:56]

Milosch:

ntpwhatever is just a workaround, as juski said

[14:43:10]

Dibblah:

Milosch: It's not.

[14:43:19]

Dibblah:

It's expected on the PC architecture.

[14:43:35]

Dibblah:

The main clock is maintained in a software interrupt.

[14:43:40]

Milosch:

sorry, but in 15 years this is the worst i have seen

[14:43:57]

Dibblah:

Therefore it's not going to be scheduled regularly.

[14:44:24]

Dibblah:

When a system is under heavy load inconsistently – Like happens with a Myth system.

[14:44:36]

Milosch:

i guess

[14:44:56]

Milosch:

tempted to move the mysql db to another machine

[14:44:58]

Dibblah:

The other option is your hardware clock is wrong :)

[14:45:11]

Dibblah:

(hwclock)

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juski:

I thought the hardware clock ran free by itself whatever happens

[14:45:19]

stuarta:

it does

[14:45:24]

Dibblah:

It does – But it's independent of the system clock.

[14:45:25]

juski:

but?

[14:45:26]

Milosch:

well, i get access denied to set the hwclock when frontend is running

[14:45:34]

juski:

that's stupid isn't it?

[14:45:46]

Dibblah:

Milosch: Nothing to do with the frontend – You need to be root.

[14:45:54]

juski:

pc architecture.. pfft

[14:45:55]

Milosch:

i know that ;)

[14:46:03]

juski:

bunch-o-hacks

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Milosch:

hackorama

[14:47:22]

Milosch:

old habits die hard, when my brain is in maintain-the-machine mode, i work as root maybe too much

[14:47:58]

Dibblah:

I used to.

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juski:

sudo I ended up just sudo typing sudo at the start of sudo every sudo line

[14:48:09]

Milosch:

but i have been using sudo recently and i get the concept

[14:48:13]

Dibblah:

Now I run as a user in a seperate Xen instance.

[14:48:18]

juski:

I may aswell just be root

[14:48:21]

juski:

damn sudo

[14:48:23]

Milosch:

heh

[14:48:52]

Milosch:

if the goal is to make you think before acting, then i must say i was already thinking

[14:49:10]

juski:

coddle & molly :)

[14:49:18]

Milosch:

anyway, it is blocked when the frontend is running, because it is using /dev/rtc

[14:49:19]

Dibblah:

Trust the force.

[14:49:22]

juski:

it's the new way in linux :)

[14:49:26]

Dibblah:

Either that or the backups.

[14:49:48]

Milosch:

sometimes i use the force, and type with the blast shield down

[14:50:13]

Zider:

trust the fork()

[14:50:18]

juski:

rm -rf / – what's the worst that can happen?

[14:50:40]

Milosch:

juski: i do add some protections, e.g. alias rm='rm -i' ;)

[14:50:47]

mtnbkr:

these are not the shows you are looking to record

[14:50:54]

Milosch:

except that -rf does bypass it...

[14:51:15]

juski:

are you sure (y/n) ?

[14:51:16]

juski:

Y

[14:51:18]

juski:

are you sure (y/n) ?

[14:51:19]

juski:

Y

[14:51:24]

Milosch:

YES

[14:51:25]

juski:

without reading it

[14:51:44]

Milosch:

this script will {blah blah blah}

[14:51:46]

Milosch:

YES

[14:51:49]

juski:

just delete my stuff already damnit

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Aurelius:

having the -i i liken to using protection. at first you care, but after a while, you say "yes" to anyone. eventually you say yes to the wrong someone :)

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fryfrog:

i hate rm -i :p

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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fryfrog:

i figure if i'm ever dumb enough to rm the wrong thing and *not* have backups... i deserved it :)

[15:29:23]

SlicerDicer-:

lol I have done it on a livecd while installing

[15:29:38]

SlicerDicer-:

but usually thats cause I really dont care and just start throwing commands when things go wron

[15:29:40]

SlicerDicer-:

wrong rather

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Aurelius:

backups are for sissies

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Aurelius:

sissies and commies

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mtnbkr:

I have done it once or twice in 1999 just to "see what would happen"

[15:32:00]

Aurelius:

sudo was it sudo fun?

[15:32:37]

Zider:

sudo ku

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Zider:

;)

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Aurelius:

ok, i'll hold him down... who wnats to beat him?

[15:33:57]

Zider:

who? :P

[15:34:17]

Aurelius:

:)

[15:34:19]

Aurelius:

anyway

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Aurelius:

gotta go to work

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Aurelius:

ttfn.

[15:34:41]

Zider:

ttfn?

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Aurelius:

dude. tiggr.

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Zider:

huh?

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Gordon87:

ta ta for now..

[15:41:53]

Gordon87:

KERNEL=="dvb*",ENV{PHYSDEVPATH}=="*01:07.0", PROGRAM="/bin/sh -c 'K=%k; K=$${

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Gordon87:

K#dvb}; printf dvb/adapter5/%%s $${K#*.}", ACTION=="add", NAME="%c"

[15:41:53]

Gordon87:

KERNEL=="dvb*",ENV{PHYSDEVPATH}=="*01:06.0", PROGRAM="/bin/sh -c 'K=%k; K=$${

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Gordon87:

K#dvb}; printf dvb/adapter1/%%s $${K#*.}", ACTION=="add", NAME="%c"

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Gordon87:

KERNEL=="dvb*",ENV{PHYSDEVPATH}=="*usb*",SYSFS{product}==&qu ot;SOHO-FX2", PROGRAM=

[15:41:54]

Gordon87:

"/bin/sh -c 'K=%k; K=$${K#dvb}; printf dvb/adapter0/%%s $${K#*.}", ACTION=="add"

[15:41:56]

Gordon87:

, NAME="%c"

[15:42:03]

Gordon87:

udev rules to map devices to adapter numbers..

[15:42:17]

Gordon87:

no external script needed ;-) (tho there is, its inline)

[15:42:34]

Milosch:

nice

[15:42:40]

Gordon87:

only problem is PHYSDEVPATH matching is on its way out

[15:44:08]

Gordon87:

having a bit of trouble telling my pci dvb t & s apart since they are so similar

[15:44:39]

Gordon87:

both share the same vendor prodid too

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Dagmar:

Suuuck

[15:55:10]

Dagmar:

The theme engine is upscaling buttons

[16:07:40]

Dagmar:

WTF

[16:08:51]

Dagmar:

I try to make smaller buttons and the UI jsut tells me to fuck off

[16:10:45]

qu0zl:

does the theme xml have a width/height attribute similar to the way html behaves?

[16:11:42]

Dagmar:

Not really

[16:11:51]

qu0zl:

ahh well, shot in the dark :)

[16:11:51]

Dagmar:

Right now it seems to resize most of the widgets based on god only knows what

[16:11:55]

qu0zl:

heh

[16:12:28]

Dagmar:

I've got the whole menu screen mocked up in Inkscape ready to go...

[16:12:42]

Dagmar:

I have selected the two boxes I'm going to bind together to use as the menu area...

[16:13:01]

Dagmar:

I hide the button boxes and export the bitmap... push it to teh Myth box...

[16:13:31]

Dagmar:

Then I translate the co-ordinates so that they work for the 800x600 co-ordinate system, and put them into theme.xml...

[16:13:45]

Dagmar:

...and I replace button_on and button_off with two of my own

[16:14:20]

Dagmar:

...and what I get is fsckinng *this* debacle: http://blairhouse.homeip.net:88/foo.png

[16:14:43]

Dagmar:

Somefing ain't right here

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Dagmar:

Gonna put mythcenters buttons back and see what exactly the hell is going on

[16:16:29]

kambei:

Hey, I am thinking about upgrading to HD. What kind of hardware would I need to put in my Myth box?

[16:17:03]

Zider:

fat cpu and gfxcard with xvmc I guess

[16:17:13]

kambei:

How fat?

[16:18:05]

Zider:

3 kilo? ;)

[16:18:10]

kambei:

heh

[16:18:31]

Zider:

I think I've heard talk about cirka 3GHz P4

[16:18:35]

Zider:

but I'm not sure

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kambei:

Just to play back?

[16:18:49]

Zider:

with xvmc you don't need as much cpu either

[16:18:54]

Zider:

for playback yes

[16:19:26]

Zider:

recording doesn't require anything basically

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kambei:

Not even a decoder?

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kambei:

My cable company disables the firewire output on the decoder boxes.

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Zider:

if it's digital tv, it just streams it to the hdd

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quicksilver:

if firewire is disabled then you won't be able to get it in HD form, I imagine

[16:20:33]

Dagmar:

Aha. now I see what happened

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quicksilver:

you'll just get a degraded version over component or composite

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kambei:

I thought they were required by law to provide it.

[16:20:52]

kambei:

Am I wrong?

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|Torg|:

disable or do they encrypt it?

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kambei:

They said they disable it.

[16:21:13]

quicksilver:

kambei: there are no (affordable) analog HD capture cards

[16:21:17]

timo:

hi when i run this command sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart i get a black screen and nothing happends

[16:21:32]

kambei:

quicksilver: Meaning what?

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|Torg|:

an analog HD card does not exist period

[16:21:44]

quicksilver:

kambei: meaning if you want HD, you need to get it in digital form

[16:21:47]

Dagmar:

timo: What distro are you running?

[16:21:50]

kambei:

Okay.

[16:21:57]

kambei:

So I'm screwed, basically?

[16:22:17]

|Torg|:

whr do you live?>'

[16:22:24]

kambei:

Massachusetts

[16:22:25]

timo:

Dagmar: ubuntu adgey 64 bit

[16:22:28]

Dagmar:

Feh there is no analog HD signaling, that's why

[16:22:41]

kambei:

Comcast is the provider.

[16:22:44]

Dagmar:

timo: So ask in #Ubuntu. GDM has exactly nothing to do with MythTV

[16:22:52]

|Torg|:

how far are you from the broacast twoers, and I could guess your on comcast

[16:23:06]

kambei:

No clue.

[16:23:09]

timo:

Dagmar: im trying to install it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy_Backend_Frontend

[16:23:15]

timo:

:(

[16:23:28]

|Torg|:

go here http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/Address.aspx

[16:23:28]

Dagmar:

timo: You also need to work on your listening skills. Again, GDM has nothing to do with MythTV

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|Torg|:

put in your zip code

[16:24:12]

|Torg|:

Dagmar you coould start mythfrontend with it, but your right they are not linked

[16:24:13]

kambei:

|Torg|: A few miles.

[16:24:17]

Dagmar:

timo: You're reading docs off the Ubuntu site. The #Ubuntu people are the ones to ask about problems with it.

[16:24:21]

|Torg|:

less then 50? preferably less then 25?

[16:24:22]

kambei:

Maybe four or five.

[16:24:31]

Dagmar:

Especially in the case of problems with GDM.

[16:24:38]

timo:

Dagmar:maybe even reading

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kambei:

Maybe 10 at the most.

[16:24:59]

timo:

im not using my ears to read this

[16:25:04]

timo:

;)

[16:25:09]

|Torg|:

tell you cable company to shove it, go get one or more ATSC cards and records HD in better quailty then the cable company charged you, for free

[16:25:18]

Dagmar:

You're not using your brain to figure it out, either, apparently.

[16:25:43]

kambei:

|Torg|: Over-air?

[16:25:48]

|Torg|:

yes over the air

[16:26:04]

|Torg|:

at 10 miles you can use a coat hanger as an antenna

[16:26:08]

kambei:

So, they don't have to provide a digital scream?

[16:26:18]

|Torg|:

who the cable comapny, no they dont

[16:26:20]

kambei:

stream

[16:26:25]

|Torg|:

the broadcasters, not yet but they do

[16:26:51]

kambei:

So, let's say I can use the firewire out on the box.

[16:27:03]

|Torg|:

then use it

[16:27:04]

kambei:

I need no kind of TV card in my system, correct?

[16:27:08]

Dagmar:

Correct.

[16:27:13]

|Torg|:

you need a firewire input

[16:27:18]

Dagmar:

You do, however, need to make sure your disk subsystem isn't shoddy.

[16:27:31]

kambei:

What qualifies as shoddy?

[16:27:46]

|Torg|:

you need a good HD, and aside from that it dosnt take allot of CPU or memory

[16:28:02]

kambei:

But to play back, I need a monster CPU?

[16:28:08]

|Torg|:

yes

[16:28:26]

|Torg|:

Dagmar its not THAT bad :P

[16:28:32]

kambei:

I have decent hardware. I can't remember what the processor is, let me check.

[16:28:45]

Dagmar:

Okay. This is madness.

[16:28:48]

|Torg|:

you can record two ATSC streams at 1080I at about 60% capacity of a SATA2 drive

[16:28:55]

Dagmar:

The green bar in MythCenter is 300x50

[16:28:57]

|Torg|:

and that is from my own persoanl observation

[16:29:03]

kambei:

2200 MHz CPU

[16:29:10]

|Torg|:

singe core?

[16:29:15]

kambei:

Yes sir.

[16:29:19]

|Torg|:

what video card?

[16:29:28]

kambei:

NVidia 6100, I think

[16:29:30]

kambei:

on board

[16:29:34]

|Torg|:

nope

[16:29:44]

|Torg|:

make it your backend, and build another frontend

[16:29:59]

kambei:

I could put other hardware.

[16:30:07]

kambei:

The GPU is onboard

[16:30:09]

|Torg|:

your about on the edge of what you can play with xvmc enabled and no deinterlacing

[16:30:21]

kambei:

And I could replace the CPU

[16:30:30]

|Torg|:

I would make it your backend system and build a new frontend

[16:30:46]

|Torg|:

recoding HDTV takes little or noting PLAYING it takes ALLOT

[16:31:17]

|Torg|:

unless its comflaggin that CPU never makes it over 25%

[16:31:36]

|Torg|:

my FE is a dual core P4 3GHz if its playing video each core rampes to about 50%

[16:31:42]

|Torg|:

other then that it sits there doing noting

[16:32:06]

|Torg|:

and thats whith an nvidia 5900 and xvmc, but I use the experimantal drivers

[16:32:06]

kambei:

Well, the motherboard accepts dual core CPUs.

[16:32:13]

_rogue780:

I am trying to make a script run with lirc on ubuntu. It used to work, but now it doesn't. at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2751/ are an excerp of the instructions I followed. can someone please help? when I press the button on my remote nothing happens, even when I try to just run the script nothing happens.

[16:32:59]

kambei:

|Torg|: May I ask another, less-related question?

[16:33:27]

Milosch:

_rogue780: you sure irexec is running?

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_rogue780:

Milosch, well it wasn't, but now it is and same problem...curious because it's set to load automatically

[16:36:06]

Milosch:

running as the same user? not sure it matters but it might

[16:36:34]

|Torg|:

sure

[16:37:27]

kambei:

|Torg|: My friend is getting rid of his Sony KV-30HS420. It's a 30" widescreen with HDMI.

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fryfrog:

i think i have that tv

[16:37:39]

Milosch:

_rogue780: how are you starting irexec, i should ask

[16:37:42]

fryfrog:

why is he getting rid of it?

[16:37:52]

kambei:

He got a 47" LCD

[16:37:56]

fryfrog:

ah, nice

[16:38:00]

fryfrog:

is his a tube hdtv?

[16:38:04]

fryfrog:

er, the old one of course

[16:38:08]

kambei:

Yes.

[16:38:34]

Milosch:

i'd hate to think what a 47" tube set would weigh

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fryfrog:

i like my tv :0

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kambei:

Would I be able to use the DVI out on my video card and connect it to the TV via a DVI->HDMI adapter?

[16:39:03]

fryfrog:

yup

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kambei:

It would serve as a monitor?

[16:39:22]

fryfrog:

I use a DVI -> HDMI cable on mine, get yours online for like $5–10 instead of best buy

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|Torg|:

yes

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kambei:

fryfrog: You have the same TV?

[16:39:52]

fryfrog:

yes

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hooch:

when i'm watching stuff on the TV, the tv blanks out after 30 minutes or so – is this something i can disable in xorg.conf ?

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|Torg|:

its not the same TV issue its type of connection

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fryfrog:

hooked up to a gf4 ti4200

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hooch:

i've disabled all screensavers, etc

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fryfrog:

hooch: yup

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|Torg|:

fryfrog and I do the same thing, only I paid like $120 for a monster cable

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Milosch:

hooch: you can at least undo it via xset, i think

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fryfrog:

hooch: try "xset s off" and "xset -dpms"

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|Torg|:

reall differnce is price, in funtionaliuty the $15 is just as goo

[16:40:33]

hooch:

i've killed dpms in xorg.conf but it didn't help

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: dood, wtf? was it a really long one?

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|Torg|:

no a relly expensive one :P

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kambei:

|Torg|: What do you have for a display?

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hooch:

will try xset – thanks fryfrog

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|Torg|:

a 61" DLP

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Milosch:

xset -dpms s off ?

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: was that before you realized you didn't *need* a $120 cable?

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_rogue780:

Milosch, well as per the ubuntu wiki on mythtv I have it starting as irexec -d when the mysthtv session starts with openbox. but that doesn't seem to be working so I am just putting in irexec -d. I also get shawn@NESPC:~$ ps aux | grep irexec shawn 5101 0.0 0.0 1604 320 ? Ss 11:34 0:00 irexec -d

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|Torg|:

of course, im stupid, im not an idiot :P

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fryfrog:

no, i think you have to do it in two commands Milosch

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kambei:

|Torg|: Don't you think you should have gotten something bigger?

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kambei:

61" is a bit small for my taste.

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fryfrog:

ahahah

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kambei:

:P

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|Torg|:

at the time unless I wanted a projector and screen it was the largest available

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Milosch:

_rogue780: in my startup for windowmaker, i have irexec &

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Milosch:

no -d

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|Torg|:

besides it was a bonus from my company :)

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kambei:

I was kidding, of course.

[16:41:59]

Milosch:

fryfrog: that is what i have, seems to work

[16:42:01]

fryfrog:

well, the price of the tv probably made the $120 cable look like chump change :)

[16:42:04]

|Torg|:

I know, it takes up my whole wall

[16:42:08]

fryfrog:

Milosch: ah, then awesome!

[16:42:15]

|Torg|:

its pricetag as like $4500

[16:42:19]

Milosch:

fryfrog: i'm sure i got that from someone else ;)

[16:42:33]

fryfrog:

|Torg|: i feel bad that my 30" cost me $800 :(

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_rogue780:

Milosch, lemme try that

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|Torg|:

I bought monster cable for everything, then realised I didnt have to

[16:42:43]

Milosch:

i added xsetroot -solid black

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fryfrog:

i think i have that too!

[16:42:59]

kambei:

|Torg|: But you could run over them with a lawnmower and get them replaced.

[16:43:02]

kambei:

Not such a bad thing.

[16:43:12]

|Torg|:

yes becase I mow my living room all the time :P

[16:43:21]

fryfrog:

yeah, but you'd have to do it like 8x to make up for the price gouging markup :p

[16:43:42]

kambei:

fryfrog: So, that TV does 1080i?

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Milosch:

720p i bet

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fryfrog:

I *think* it is native 720p, but does 1080i

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fryfrog:

I tried both resolutions and *I* thought 720p looked best

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Milosch:

progressive

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fryfrog:

1080i had to much flicker, imho

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|Torg|:

my native is 720P too but 1080I looked fine

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Milosch:

i == interlaced, right?

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kambei:

Right.

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|Torg|:

its mostly a mater of opionion

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Milosch:

i still have 525i ;)

[16:44:47]

fryfrog:

yeah

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: yeah, 720p or 1080i will boil down to which you think looks better :)

[16:45:09]

fryfrog:

er

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|Torg|:

text on 720P is much sharper, but only if I wanted to use it as a computer monitor

[16:45:13]

fryfrog:

i meant that for kambei actually

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|Torg|:

fryfrog I know :P

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kslater:

can mythweb be setup to display live tv 'recordings'?

[16:45:49]

kambei:

Hrm. Well, I was thinking about taking his TV, which is why I was asking about HD signals in the first place.

[16:45:50]

GreyFoxx:

kslater: Nope

[16:45:54]

kslater:

k o

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kambei:

I still have SD, atm.

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Milosch:

?

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|Torg|:

mythweb can pass it to a stream like mythstrem or give a samba link to the file

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|Torg|:

but what your asking is can your web broswer play movies

[16:47:03]

kslater:

|Torg| was actually looking to clean up a few things on my remote backend during lunch

[16:47:05]

psofa:

anyway i can change the video buffer size?

[16:47:06]

kslater:

no biggie

[16:47:21]

psofa:

ive found that skipping back some seconds video is smooth

[16:47:29]

kambei:

fryfrog: So, it's a good TV?

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_rogue780:

Milosch, when the session loads a script with " gnome-screensaver, mythfrontend&, exec, openbox, killall irexec, irexec&" is executed (each command is on a seperate line...but for the purpose of this, seperated by a comma)

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fryfrog:

kambei: i like mine :)

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fryfrog:

i think HD looks great on it.

[16:47:53]

kambei:

Well, it looks like I'm not getting HD anytime soon.

[16:48:06]

kambei:

But I would like it for DVD playback and such via Myth.

[16:48:11]

fryfrog:

i thought you were inherting it?

[16:48:20]

kambei:

The TV, perhaps.

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kambei:

Not the HD signal.

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fryfrog:

ahhhh

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|Torg|:

DVD playback is substandard compared to my HDTV brodcasts

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fryfrog:

so get a $100 HD card and get the 5 channels OTA

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fryfrog:

or a cable box with firewire?

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kambei:

I was telling |Torg| that Comcast claims that the FW is diabled on their boxes.

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Milosch:

_rogue780: i run mythfrontend last, with irexec just before

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Milosch:

and no screensave

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Milosch:

r

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fryfrog:

kambei: i have a pair of DCT6412 and they are *wide* open

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fryfrog:

also, it is not *legal* for the firewire port to be disabled

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|Torg|:

yes Comcast is WHY I have two ATSC cards

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kambei:

fryfrog: That's what I thought

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fryfrog:

you can find the FCC mandate and show it to them

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_rogue780:

Milosch, should I have that killall irexec? I do it so there can't be multiple instances of it runnung

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|Torg|:

it depends on where you live and who Comcast took over

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Milosch:

_rogue780: probably not needed

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: its *still* legally required

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|Torg|:

fryfrog I doubt it would do any good

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Milosch:

i think you could also run it as a daemon in startup...

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fryfrog:

report them to the FCC or BB then

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Milosch:

before x i mean, but i have not tried it

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|Torg|:

oh I agree with you, I still dont think it will do any good they will simply terminate your cable

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fryfrog:

because they *ARE* legally required to provide it if you ask

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kambei:

Terminate my cable?

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Milosch:

ouch

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fryfrog:

BB complaint would be anonymous, no?

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kambei:

BB?

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fryfrog:

BBB

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|Torg|:

FCC interpretation of Section 304 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996

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fryfrog:

better buisness buero

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|Torg|:

http://www.fcc.gov/Reports/tcom1996.txt

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|Torg|:

it was the "concesion" for not having to make ALL the channels HD

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|Torg|:

they dont have to GIVE you firewire, they just cant disable it

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kambei:

Well, the box has firewire

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|Torg|:

did I mention it was free?

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kslater:

on the firewire discussion, can I dump stuff out of my camcorder over firewire to myth? (as a manual recording for example)

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|Torg|:

did I mention I dont get changed fror a digiatal recorder?

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fryfrog:

kslater: no idea

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|Torg|:

QAM is cable, ATSC is brodcast

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|Torg|:

there actualy two differnt encoding standards.

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fryfrog:

I have a pair of the ditital recorders, but pay for tuners cause they fucked up

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: i know, i'm asking which you use

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|Torg|:

oh ATSC :)

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fryfrog:

my 2x atsc qam cards get ~6 channels

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|Torg|:

0000:00:0d.0 Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02)

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|Torg|:

0000:00:0f.0 Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02)

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fryfrog:

my 2x DCT6412 get like 300+ channels

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fryfrog:

ah, same card here but rev03 or so

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fryfrog:

humm, no mine is rev02 also

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|Torg|:

my ATSC gets 12 channels, woth about 30 SIDS, 6 are en Esponol :P

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fryfrog:

ah

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kambei:

ok

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|Torg|:

since I dont watch telemundo and univision

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kambei:

They say it might work

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kambei:

They just don't support it.

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fryfrog:

My pci cards get priority though, cause the firewire tends to fuck up a bit

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fryfrog:

kambei: ahhhh, thats normal :)

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Dagmar:

I only get The Animal Channel in Espaniel.

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fryfrog:

kambei: its probably worth a try, cause you can record SD and HD from it

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|Torg|:

fryfrog ow much of your QAM isnt encrypted?

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fryfrog:

all the FTA channels are fine

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kambei:

Dagmar: period?

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fryfrog:

I get about 20 channels that are *crap* that isn't

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fryfrog:

but i only picked the HD FTA channels to use

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Dagmar:

kambei: Yeah, it sounds like a lot of bloody barking.

[16:59:13]

|Torg|:

azap reorts 37 SIDS I can see most are simply SD versions of the HD broadcast and I have USDTV here too

[16:59:59]

|Torg|:

I also live between two brodcast areas so I see more then one CBS for example

[17:00:45]

kambei:

|Torg|, fryfrog, Dagmar, quicksilver, Thanks for the info. You guys are always a big help.

[17:00:51]

Dagmar:

OKay. Now I see.

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|Torg|:

10 of those are USDTV, and out of the remainder I get CBS, ABC, NBC, WB, FOX and one indipendant station

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Dagmar:

I found another dim-witted bit in the theme docs

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|Torg|:

oh that and two really strong PBS stations :)_

[17:01:18]

Dagmar:

"If buttonspread, and button center are off, the spacing of your buttons is controled by the size of your inactive image." <-- complete bullshit

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Dagmar:

It should say "Your inactive button image damn well better be transparent because it's drawn on every button and drawn *atop* the active button graphic"

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niter3:

aghhhhhhhhhh

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niter3:

5pm hurry up!

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|Torg|:

niter3 , your in Ontario, right?

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niter3:

yes

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niter3:

I complain everyday. :P

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mythbox is now known as robbins876

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|Torg|:

ok I was just going to say you have a bit of a way to go :P

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robbins876:

Torg: Is it you that has a VIA Epia board?

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|Torg|:

me, no I dont use EPIA boards

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niter3:

|Torg|: You're telling me!

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niter3:

Are you not in Eastern Time yourself?

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niter3:

Took a damn early lunch now my day will for sure DRAG on..

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|Torg|:

no I live in CST, im in Texas

[17:10:52]

|Torg|:

porque used penso hable espanol :P

[17:11:10]

Milosch:

_rogue780: cool

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niter3:

how's the cold weather. :)

[17:11:27]

|Torg|:

it sucks, its in the 40's here

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|Torg|:

im sorry, its 5C

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niter3:

wow.. it's 11am over there eh?

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_rogue780:

|Torg|, what part of texas? I was stuck in san angelo for a while. didn't like it. Dallas and San Antonio were nice though

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Dagmar:

I think I found another error in the docs as well. :/

[17:12:17]

|Torg|:

I live south of Fort Worth

[17:12:40]

** Milosch lives in Houston **

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Milosch:

small world, blah blah

[17:12:58]

|Torg|:

Milosch do you know where Keene, TX is?

[17:13:11]

Milosch:

hrm, east of dallas?

[17:13:15]

kslater:

robbins876 – I use EPIA stuff

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|Torg|:

west :)

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Milosch:

oh ok

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|Torg|:

its along 35W

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_rogue780:

|Torg|, I'm in maryland now. don't like it much either. the place is nice...except for the moronic people

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Milosch:

near waco?

[17:13:45]

|Torg|:

see I knew youd ned a map :P

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_rogue780:

robbins876, I have an eipa cn1000eg

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Milosch:

midlothian? :)

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|Torg|:

about half way between waco and fort worth

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|Torg|:

those "other" tv stations I get are from Waco

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Milosch:

ah

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Milosch:

so you're not TOO far from the track

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|Torg|:

Midlothian is about half way between me and downtown Dallas, about 20 miles east

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Milosch:

my mom and sis are on the northside of fw, aunt/uncle near the lake south of 620/287 (i think)

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|Torg|:

thats out by the racetrack, and a PIA for me to drive too, esp when NASCAR is here

[17:15:52]

Milosch:

i was surprised last time through since they bypass almost everything now on 287

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|Torg|:

where in Hourston do you live?

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niter3:

|Torg|: you're a 21 hour drive from where I am

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Milosch:

north shepherd near 610

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_rogue780:

niter3, whre are you?

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|Torg|:

niter3 your far enough away I would fly, not drive :P

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niter3:

TO Ontario

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niter3:

Toronto

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|Torg|:

he lives in Ontario, where 90% of all the Canadians live :P

[17:17:05]

niter3:

:)

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_rogue780:

sounds cold

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niter3:

I'm a Canadian!

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|Torg|:

you got that from a Molsen commerical :P

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Milosch:

_rogue780: my brother used to rail on the drivers in maryland

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_rogue780:

it's sad...canada's warmest is our coldest

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niter3:

_rogue780: I wouldn'n't want to walk out of your house. i'd die then

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|Torg|:

I was in Missisauga this last summer, it was quite nice

[17:18:02]

niter3:

We get up to 90F here

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_rogue780:

Milosch, I hardly ever drive because of them. no blinkers, etc

[17:18:06]

niter3:

sometimes 95F

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Milosch:

heh

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Milosch:

Houston is pretty bad now, too

[17:18:23]

_rogue780:

niter3, right...all Americans carry loaded guns that we use just to shoot canadians.

[17:18:34]

niter3:

Yep ok. :)

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Milosch:

i remember after a major crash in the oil industry back in the 80's, driving was a breeze

[17:18:51]

|Torg|:

so Milosch yo uknow where Hammerly and Gestner is? Thats where I gre up

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Milosch:

|Torg|: not too far from here

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niter3:

So who in here is farther then Texas

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niter3:

from ontario

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|Torg|:

well at this time of day the UK pepple are still online

[17:19:31]

Milosch:

always surprised me that gessner goes that far north

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|Torg|:

so my guess would be them or the guys in Australia, but they are asleep right now

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Milosch:

used to seeing it down around bellaire

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_rogue780:

niter3, although I live in probably the safest part of the country...so it might be safe for you

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Dagmar:

@#$@#$!@!

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Dagmar:

I've spent the last ten minutes troubleshooting a problem I couldn't seem to affect because I was dropping the screengrab into the wrong @#$@#$ directory

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Milosch:

oops

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_rogue780:

Dagmar, I hate it when I do crap like that

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niter3:

_rogue780: I don't see how anyone would be able to tell that I am a Canadian by looking at me. :)

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|Torg|:

most of the time you cant tell a person is Canadian by looking at them, well not untill they talk :P

[17:21:47]

Dagmar:

That depends

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|Torg|:

the same can be said about us too

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_rogue780:

niter3, by looking...no. smell yes. all canadians smell like maple syrup

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niter3:

hahah

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|Torg|:

and I know a fw Candains that have accents so slight its very difficult to tell

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Milosch:

and back bacon

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niter3:

I don't even like maple syrup . :P

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|Torg|:

and pancackes

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Dagmar:

If they have a bottle of Lablatt's in their hand and they're actually drinking it, they're either Canadian or a Canadian sympathizer

[17:23:52]

qu0zl:

get them to gitmo then

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qu0zl:

damn sympathizers

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niter3:

I dought you'd be able to figure out I was a Canadian.

[17:24:12]

niter3:

I grew up just outside Detroit.

[17:24:12]

niter3:

:)

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qu0zl:

seeing as you just admitted it I think we have you niter3

[17:24:28]

qu0zl:

that's one of the giveaways you see

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_rogue780:

lol

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niter3:

opps.

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niter3:

I'll change my name, perhaps my DNS

[17:24:53]

niter3:

Then you wouldn't. :)

[17:24:57]

qu0zl:

:)

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|Torg|:

that and the fact this channel is logged, and indexed by google. It will be there forever, your branded now :P

[17:25:06]

Dagmar:

Hmm...

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_rogue780:

there's no canada like french canada if you lived here for a day you'd understand....

[17:25:11]

niter3:

I AM NOT CANADIAN!

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niter3:

:)

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jk1joel:

has anyone tried running two front-ends on a single box?

[17:25:40]

niter3:

jk1joel: Why would you want to

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niter3:

:)

[17:25:47]

niter3:

How would you

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|Torg|:

jk1joel you mean intentiannly? no

[17:25:49]

jk1joel:

niter3: easy. to save $$

[17:26:08]

Dagmar:

Hmm... I can't seem to set balancerows off

[17:26:09]

jk1joel:

two video cards, two sound cards, two frond-ends

[17:26:17]

niter3:

My name is Bob Jacobs, I like long walks on the beach. I drive a Jag and I grew up in LA.

[17:26:24]

niter3:

Log that !

[17:26:36]

** niter3 simply wishes it was 5 **

[17:27:04]

jk1joel:

I suppose you'd need a way to configure the sound device separately for each frontend

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|Torg|:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/

[17:27:54]

|Torg|:

the settings are kept in the databse by hostname, there would be no way to differntiate between them

[17:28:53]

|Torg|:

that or buil another frotnend

[17:29:01]

niter3:

Why is it that IRC is logged?

[17:29:14]

_rogue780:

jk1joel, get a cheap xbox and mod it. that's what I'm about to do

[17:29:22]

|Torg|:

its being logged by a bot, called MythLogBot

[17:29:23]

gammelmark:

ivtv1: i2c hardware 0x00000001 (cx2584x) not found for command 0xc008561c!

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gammelmark:

what does that mean?

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niter3:

Why though

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|Torg|:

means the ffirmware isnt loded or the ivtv module is loaded wrong

[17:29:52]

Eradan:

|Torg| Got my digital passthrough working last night :)

[17:30:08]

|Torg|:

so what was it Eradan, the wrong hardware settings?

[17:30:23]

Eradan:

I was trying to make it WAY more difficult than it was ...

[17:30:28]

_rogue780:

niter3, say someone gives you some really good advice, but you forget to write it down or lose it or something and need to get it back. you can check the log for that day (assuming you didn't forget) and find it again

[17:30:39]

jk1joel:

_rogue780: yeah, the xbox is too slow and loud :)

[17:30:41]

Eradan:

needed to point it to alsa ... that's pretty much it ... :)

[17:31:02]

Eradan:

and built an adequete asound.conf

[17:31:09]

_rogue780:

niter3, also so if I am out ther looking for some 12 year old girls to "have a tea party" with, they might be able to find something out? i dunno

[17:31:14]

_rogue780:

it never hurts to log

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|Torg|:

mostly this channel is logged so you can look up your ivtv problem for example

[17:32:21]

|Torg|:

most of the qustisons asked here are the same ones over and over

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|Torg|:

I dont have ivtv cards, but Ive seen that quesiton aksed so many times I know the answer now

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Milosch:

gammelmark: which card is it?

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gammelmark:

Milosch, PVR-500 – it says registering MPEG2 as video0 and all the other stuff normally, and then it says ivtv1: Initialized WinTV PVR 500 (unit #2), card #1, as if successful, but I have no /dev/video0

[17:36:00]

Milosch:

and you have the correct firmware in /lib/firmware?

[17:36:01]

fryfrog:

is it under /dev/v4l/video0? maybe?

[17:36:30]

Dagmar:

http://blairhouse.homeip.net:88/foo.png <-- getting closer

[17:36:54]

Dagmar:

Relatively unadorned, but I think I'm going to stick with the 2/3 split elbo for the main menu

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|Torg|:

Dagmar you arnt a trekkie by chance are you :)

[17:37:25]

Milosch:

i.e. /lib/firmware/v4l-cx25840.fw

[17:37:32]

Dagmar:

|Torg|: Actually, I'm not

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gammelmark:

Milosch: ivtv1: loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (262144 bytes)

[17:37:52]

kambei:

fryfrog: What is the modeline you use for your TV, if I may?

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Milosch:

gammelmark: that's one chip

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niter3:

_rogue780: A tea party eh

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niter3:

haha

[17:38:04]

_rogue780:

is there a way to make lirc accept a sequence of buttons so that say I press 1589 in quick succession that it will, say, restart the x server? is something like that even possible?

[17:38:04]

niter3:

You got a point.

[17:38:06]

Milosch:

gammelmark: should be another

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gammelmark:

Milosch, i have that other file too, but it does not seem to print another about it

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Dagmar:

Torq: ...which is why I've had to do hours of digging on the net to find all possible screenshots of LCARS interfaces and I'm about to call in favors from some friends of mine who I know have like dozens of Trek DVDs

[17:38:18]

briand:

Dagmar: just so you know... I mentioned a "star trek" like theme for MythTV six or seven months ago (when Juski was making Greyhem), and he said (and I quote), "yuck!"

[17:38:36]

|Torg|:

sounds like juski

[17:38:36]

briand:

...but, it looks good, what you've done. :)

[17:38:40]

Milosch:

gammelmark: normally should be two lines for that chip, one detecting it and another loading the fw

[17:38:41]

briand:

doesn't it tho?

[17:38:42]

briand:

;)

[17:38:48]

Dagmar:

briand: I know. He doesn't like how it's generally designed to waste screen estate on TV, but what the hell, it's not like we have 250 items in our menus

[17:39:02]

gammelmark:

Milosch, any ideas? I don't see any errors

[17:39:04]

|Torg|:

I do function not form, I leve the temes to you guys

[17:39:05]

briand:

anyway.. don't forget to include the proper font along with the theme, too. :)

[17:39:06]

Dagmar:

briand: I'm hvaing trouble coming up with things to waste screen estate *with* to be honest with you

[17:39:13]

Milosch:

gammelmark: times two for the two cards detected

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Dagmar:

briand: I already made two

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fryfrog:

kambei: still need my modeline?

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Milosch:

gammelmark: check perms on the file maybe, or download fw again

[17:39:37]

Dagmar:

One that's in all caps (how do you think I got thta menu in all caps) and one with lowercase letters as well for the EPG and so forth

[17:39:41]

gammelmark:

Milosch, will do, thansk

[17:39:51]

Milosch:

good to make sure anyway

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briand:

Cool. As long as there's a SD (4:3) version, I'll play around with it. :) looking good so far.

[17:39:56]

kambei:

fryfrog: If it's not too much trouble.

[17:40:08]

|Torg|:

I want HD themes :P

[17:40:19]

briand:

Dagmar: and a matching OSD and welcome-ui would be cool. :)

[17:40:24]

jk1joel:

so just FYI, you can have a ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt for different users that overrides the default, so you can easily set up two frontends on one box with their own settings

[17:40:34]

Milosch:

gammelmark: size is 16382

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jk1joel:

that's what I learned on #mythtv when proposing to add a feature that they already had a better version of :)

[17:40:59]

briand:

anyway.. I need to get back to work... chat with ya later...

[17:41:02]

kambei:

|Torg|: Is that for me?

[17:41:06]

|Torg|:

never works tho even if it is EXACTLY what the probed version says

[17:41:12]

|Torg|:

ahoever wants it really

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Dagmar:

briand: When the welcome screen stops sucking i'll think about it. hehe

[17:41:31]

briand:

:)

[17:41:33]

briand:

fair enuf

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** briand waves, and sinks back into the background... **

[17:42:06]

|Torg|:

my wonderfull nvidia card and tv gives me this

[17:42:06]

|Torg|:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): Mode is rejected: Mode (1920 x 1080) is too large for DFP

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|Torg|:

so I have to used the probed mode

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: you have to tell it to *ignore* the probed info

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fryfrog:

if youknow it'll work

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GreyFoxx:

jk1joel: I've known a few people to run 4 different frontends on one box that way

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|Torg|:

I do and it still thinks its not interlaced

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GreyFoxx:

each with their own "LocalHostName

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GreyFoxx:

in mysql.txt

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|Torg|:

belive me I have screwed with this over and over, I actallly think its my TV

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|Torg|:

in any case the probed 1080I works

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GreyFoxx:

No idea how they configured lirc, but it's doable

[17:43:27]

jk1joel:

GreyFoxx: that's good to know

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jk1joel:

4 on 1 is a ton! must have been a beast of a box

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|Torg|:

with it off I get this

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|Torg|:

(II) NVIDIA(0): BestFit Backend for "ATSC-1080–60i": 1920x540

[17:44:16]

|Torg|:

what I use is this:

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|Torg|:

(II) NVIDIA(0): "1920x1080" : 1920 x 1080 @ 120.1 Hz Interlace (from:

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|Torg|:

EDID)

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GreyFoxx:

jk1joel: Not really, just a xp2500+ (only standard def stuff on it)

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|Torg|:

so I really dont care, other then it buggs the hell out of me

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GreyFoxx:

4 video cards, with seperate X servers for each

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|Torg|:

so fryfrog if you can tell me how to fix that :)

[17:45:33]

jk1joel:

GreyFoxx: so does that mean 4 separate video cards? because you can't have 2 x servers controlling a single dual-head card, right?

[17:45:49]

fryfrog:

|Torg|: every time i wrestle with X, i have to re-learn shit :(

[17:46:06]

|Torg|:

thats only becase nvidia likes to change the damn options over and over

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|Torg|:

it took the experimental drivers before it would figure what an interlaced mode was and to fix its bundingbox

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|Torg|:

but I REALLY dont suggest anyne use the 96XX series as I have seen people comapin numeropus times about it not workign with vxmc, mine works fine

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GreyFoxx:

jk1joel: In the past you could do it with 1 card, but not anymore

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GreyFoxx:

plus we was outputting to 4 TV's so needed 4 tvouts

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GreyFoxx:

so he used 4 GF4 MX440's

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx did you ever complete the upnp 360 stuff?

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gammelmark:

Milosch, seems all fine :S http://pastebin.com/866358

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: I have mine playing my mp3's

[17:53:46]

GreyFoxx:

but I had to "fake" some of the data being sent to the box since mythmusic doesn't collect some of it during it's music scan

[17:54:36]

GreyFoxx:

cdev added code to detect it was an xbox asking for info and returning a device description to make the xbox think we were windows media player :)

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GreyFoxx:

everything else gets the right headers

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|Torg|:

I was thinking more along the lines of HD vieo

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timo:

can any one help me set up mythtv

[17:56:27]

GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: Thats' way off

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timo:

i need a guru

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GreyFoxx:

they only play WMV format video

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Dagmar:

Okay. The balancerows tag is definitely broken

[17:56:53]

GreyFoxx:

so not only do we have to pretend to be MCE, but we have to transcode on the fly as well

[17:56:57]

GreyFoxx:

which is how MCE does it

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Dagmar:

Time for me to do a new pull from SVN and go into actual bugfinding mode

[17:57:21]

|Torg|:

well I cant even get mine to play mp3s what did you change?

[17:58:20]

xris:

timo: distro? have you started reading the documentation?

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: had to specify a friendname with a : in it, and returned several more values about sample_Rate, number of audio channels etc

[17:58:33]

|Torg|:

there is documentation!

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GreyFoxx:

none of which is in svn nor will it be until that info is actually colleced by mythmusic

[17:58:59]

** GreyFoxx ponders some lunch **

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Eradan:

Docuwhat ? ...

[17:59:10]

Eradan:

|Torg| What is documentation ?

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Milosch:

gammelmark: i wonder if the module is loaded

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Milosch:

cx25840

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timo:

xris: helo , i have followed a guide but its all a Big blur

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timo:

and nothing would work the way it should

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|Torg|:

well thats very specific

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|Torg|:

timo Ill make you a deal, you ask vague questions and make vague statements and we will give you unhelpfull vague answeers, ok

[18:01:24]

gammelmark:

Milosch, it's built-in in the kernel

[18:01:47]

timo:

|Torg|:i did say i wanted a mythtv guru

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Milosch:

eww

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gammelmark:

:)

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|Torg|:

timo why dont you just ask your questions her, we all use mythtv and its why the channel exists

[18:02:49]

Milosch:

maybe add cx25840.debug=1 to grub ?

[18:02:56]

timo:

this is what im trying to follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy_Backend_Frontend

[18:03:21]

Milosch:

or, i would expect that you need to recompile and let all of these drivers be modules

[18:03:22]

gammelmark:

Milosch, and that would result in..? dmesg output?

[18:03:29]

Milosch:

should be, yes

[18:03:45]

|Torg|:

timo did you install ubu?

[18:03:55]

timo:

i dont know the difference "back end" front end its all confusing to me

[18:04:02]

gammelmark:

will try that – just a new line i the grub entry, or where?

[18:04:12]

|Torg|:

Bacnends records, and shchedule tv, frontends play it

[18:04:28]

timo:

|Torg|:i have ubuntu 64

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Milosch:

gammelmark: interrupt it at boot and edit the line with the kernel, add that

[18:04:31]

|Torg|:

they can be on the same box, depends allot on what it is you are recording and playing

[18:04:43]

Milosch:

gammelmark: that way it's only for that boot

[18:04:45]

|Torg|:

did you install it?

[18:04:54]

gammelmark:

Milosch, great, thanks

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Milosch:

worth a try, check dmesg for lines showing that the option was not understood or whatever

[18:05:37]

Milosch:

personally, i'd module that...

[18:05:44]

timo:

i did manage to install mythtv thou

[18:06:24]

gammelmark:

Milosch, i owe you a case of beer – i see that it actually is NOT in the kernel :S i missed that one it seems

[18:06:27]

|Torg|:

timo the linux box is a prerqusite, in this case you chose to use ubu. It has to be installed first, did you?

[18:06:37]

Milosch:

oops

[18:06:41]

** gammelmark ashamed **

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gammelmark:

Milosch, anyway. thank you very much D

[18:07:46]

Milosch:

np

[18:07:59]

timo:

when you say ubu , do you mean ubunutu ?

[18:08:05]

|Torg|:

yes

[18:08:29]

timo:

yes how would i be able to install mythtv with out ubuntu

[18:08:44]

timo:

so yess i do have ubuntu installed

[18:09:14]

|Torg|:

ok then what is the problem?

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|Torg|:

other then his network :P

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Milosch:

/dev/tim1 ? ;)

[18:11:24]

tim1:

ok Bear with me

[18:14:15]

tim1:

the problem is that the mythtv setup im seeing is no the one i should see, i should see this --->https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_mythtvsetup

[18:14:50]

|Torg|:

and what do you see instead?

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tim1:

i get a blue back ground ,and tells me to verify my database

[18:17:42]

tim1:

hostname , database ,user blah blah

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|Torg|:

that blah blah is important

[18:18:19]

|Torg|:

no matter how irellivant you think it is always read the error output

[18:18:37]

|Torg|:

are you on that system now? or do you have direct access to it?

[18:18:44]

tim1:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

[18:18:44]

tim1:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

[18:18:44]

tim1:

2007-01–24 18:16:58.101 DB Error (KickDatabase):

[18:18:44]

tim1:

Query was:

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tim1:

SELECT NULL;

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tim1:

No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

[18:19:02]

tim1:

strange indeed

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|Torg|:

dont paste mutiple lines here, use pastebin for it

[18:19:15]

|Torg|:

and its not strange it means it cant talk to mysql

[18:19:21]

tim1:

dont dont tell me too

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|Torg|:

the reason I asked if you had access is I was gogin to tell you how to check mysql is running, and you hve conectivity to it

[18:19:49]

|Torg|:

BTW all that is also in the howto guides

[18:20:32]

tim1:

|Torg|: Yeh so it is, be its easy to see it when you know what to look for ?

[18:20:52]

tim1:

so what do i do

[18:20:59]

|Torg|:

is mysql running?

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tim1:

mysql -u root mysql

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tim1:

is that how i run it ?

[18:22:59]

|Torg|:

that would be how you connect to the database server and use the defautl database

[18:23:11]

|Torg|:

if you can do that command then mysql is running

[18:23:14]

|Torg|:

does it work?

[18:23:46]

tim1:

Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '

[18:24:23]

|Torg|:

is mysql running?

[18:24:30]

tim1:

i don't have any sever of any kind*

[18:24:48]

|Torg|:

is there a /etc/init.d/mysql file?

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tim1:

its empty

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|Torg|:

empty or does not exist?

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tim1:

this is what i did ,sudo gedit /etc/init.d/mysql

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Milosch:

does not exist...

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|Torg|:

ok, go back to the guide you used, go back to the install part. and where it says how to install it, install mysql

[18:27:00]

tim1:

is this channel always this quite |Torg|

[18:27:09]

brianc:

is there a common (or possible) way for me to allow someone to connect read-only through mythfrontend?

[18:27:20]

|Torg|:

quiet?

[18:28:22]

Milosch:

quieter than #ubuntu ;)

[18:28:30]

Milosch:

not much isn't

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tim1:

yeh it is quiet unlike #ubuntu

[18:29:40]

tim1:

mysql-server , was installed !

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|Torg|:

sometimes it gets more use, sometimes less

[18:30:19]

|Torg|:

but this is a channel for help with mythtv and you are asking help with basic instaltion of ubuntu

[18:31:08]

tim1:

http://pastebin.com/866384

[18:31:20]

Milosch:

in fact if you start by installing mythtv from apt-get, you may be better off in the long run

[18:32:01]

tim1:

take a look at that , the mysql-server is there

[18:32:35]

|Torg|:

when you ran that what did it output?

[18:33:55]

|Torg|:

and use pastebin.ca please, the pastebin.com is overloaded most of the time

[18:35:37]

tim1:

i see

[18:36:00]

tim1:

sudo apt-get install mysql-server

[18:36:08]

tim1:

im about to paste bin what i get

[18:36:15]

|Torg|:

please do

[18:38:15]

tim1:

here you go http://pastebin.ca/327090

[18:40:19]

tim1:

still going good?

[18:40:38]

|Torg|:

type sudo dpkg-reconfigure --force mythtv-database

[18:40:45]

|Torg|:

it should be running

[18:41:31]

tim1:

i guse i should read more and follow what i read , i saw that on the paste bin :)

[18:42:08]

tim1:

worked like a charm , any way i can check

[18:42:32]

|Torg|:

type mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg

[18:42:48]

|Torg|:

you will need mysql-client if you havnt already installed it

[18:43:43]

tim1:

hey help

[18:44:23]

tim1:

it says what is the password for the mysql adminstration account "root"

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tim1:

do i put my password ?

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|Torg|:

no there should be one, not on a default istalation

[18:45:19]

tim1:

sudo dpkg-reconfigure --force mythtv-database

[18:45:28]

|Torg|:

after that

[18:45:36]

|Torg|:

mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg

[18:46:00]

tim1:

im now Configuring the mthtv database ?

[18:46:11]

|Torg|:

no you said you wanted to see if it worked

[18:46:22]

tim1:

i see

[18:46:39]

|Torg|:

the database shoul have already been created, and a user of mythtv added to the mythconverg database

[18:46:53]

|Torg|:

that specificly is what that reconfigure did

[18:47:20]

tim1:

ok

[18:47:39]

|Torg|:

sure, pastebin it

[18:48:02]

|Torg|:

it should be all in text, the password for the mythtv user is the same as the username, mythtv

[18:50:53]

tim1:

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4814/untitled4qw.png

[18:51:41]

tim1:

should i leave it blank

[18:51:51]

|Torg|:

yes

[18:52:33]

tim1:

all done

[18:52:37]

|Torg|:

see the part where it says, "Unless you have explicitly changed the password on the MySQL server, leave this blank"?

[18:52:45]

tim1:

ohh yess

[18:52:48]

|Torg|:

what did it say when it finsihed?

[18:53:06]

tim1:

it whent away

[18:53:14]

tim1:

went

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|Torg|:

now type sudo dpkg-reconfigure --force mythtv

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tim1:

dont

[18:54:06]

tim1:

done*

[18:54:15]

tim1:

:-!

[18:54:19]

|Torg|:

ok now setup mythtv

[18:54:33]

tim1:

finger crossed

[18:54:42]

tim1:

fingers*

[18:56:19]

tim1:

ohh great work |Torg|:

[18:56:39]

tim1:

your the mythtv guru i was looking for !!!!!!!!!

[18:57:34]

tim1:

so what next

[18:57:41]

tim1:

do i configure it

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|Torg|:

yes

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gammelmark:

well – so IVTV loads without errors now – however i STILL have no /dev/video* – why?? http://pastebin.com/866417

[19:04:00]

gammelmark:

Milosch, any ideas? sounds like you have one too

[19:04:02]

Milosch:

still not loading the firmware it seems

[19:04:59]

gammelmark:

I have another mythbox that gives the same output, and works (the one with problems is a friend's box)

[19:05:04]

Milosch:

so, ls -l /dev/video* shows nothing?

[19:05:19]

gammelmark:

indeed

[19:05:26]

gammelmark:

and videodev is running – as a module now

[19:05:27]

fryfrog:

what about ls -l /dev/v4l/

[19:05:44]

gammelmark:

no, sry

[19:05:52]

Milosch:

also, dmesg | grep cx25840, maybe loading earlier...

[19:06:32]

gammelmark:

there it was

[19:07:09]

gammelmark:

oops, was grepping for "ivtv" hehe – it's in there at the right place too

[19:07:15]

Milosch:

but not in your pastebin

[19:08:14]

gammelmark:

excactly – my bad – should use dmesg | tail, not grep ivtv ;) http://pastebin.com/866423

[19:08:49]

gammelmark:

"Registered device video1 for encoder MPEG" <-- that sounds to me like it should appear as /dev/video1 ??

[19:09:47]

echosyp:

when configuring mythtv-database it asks for my root password, i give it to it, and then the install fails

[19:09:59]

echosyp:

cause its using the wrong password

[19:11:37]

echosyp:

says its using password: Yes

[19:12:20]

** gammelmark breaks down and cries – why oh why **

[19:12:41]

Milosch:

yeah, it pretty much looks ok now

[19:13:40]

gammelmark:

does ivtv have an irc channel of their own? couldn't find one

[19:14:10]

Milosch:

ivtv-dev, but it's not very active

[19:14:35]

tim1:

what dose it mean by "cannot connect to the master back end server"

[19:15:41]

gammelmark:

tim1, probably your backend has not been started

[19:15:58]

tim1:

help me start it please

[19:16:29]

gammelmark:

tim1, the backend is the "server", responsible for doing the actual recording and stuff like that, the frontend is...well.. the gui and plugins basically

[19:16:41]

tim1:

ohh

[19:16:44]

gammelmark:

tim1, you may try running it manually with mythbackend

[19:17:04]

tim1:

i need a server basically

[19:17:06]

gammelmark:

that way you will see any errors

[19:17:20]

fryfrog:

wow, you guys are still going on about it :p

[19:17:34]

gammelmark:

about?

[19:18:54]

tim1:

can i use it with out servers and server pluggins

[19:19:24]

tim1:

i have the dvb card installed on this pc with the front end

[19:19:52]

tim1:

and are you shure the fron end is just a gui

[19:20:29]

Beirdo:

time to get the puppy to appreciate Van Halen :)

[19:20:56]

fryfrog:

tim1: mythbackend is a "service", it runs constantly

[19:21:00]

fryfrog:

you don't need a *SERVER*

[19:21:17]

fryfrog:

but they are commonly refered to as servers or daemons (like apache, samba, etc)

[19:21:31]

tim1:

what do i need to watch and recod tv

[19:21:35]

fryfrog:

you can run the "backend" and the "frontend" on the same pc

[19:21:56]

fryfrog:

tim1: you really, really, really need to do a few days of reading

[19:22:24]

tim1:

ahhh finally a breakthrough

[19:23:07]

tim1:

how do i start the back end

[19:23:24]

tim1:

and im guesing i will have to configure that too

[19:24:05]

fryfrog:

STOP!

[19:24:08]

fryfrog:

go read!

[19:24:10]

Dagmar:

tim1 It's in the documentation that you are clearly not bothering to read.

[19:24:26]

fryfrog:

your questions are honestly to basic and inane, its obvious you haven't bothered to read anything

[19:24:35]

fryfrog:

ditch ubuntu

[19:24:42]

tim1:

ok , you lazy people ill go read

[19:24:44]

fryfrog:

use umm... jaro'ds guide for FC

[19:24:50]

Milosch:

tim1: send money

[19:25:14]

fryfrog:

his guide is very detailed and good, if you get fc and myth going and *still* want ubuntu... you can re-do it when you know more

[19:25:34]

SlicerDicer-:

anybody got any links handy for xorg nvidia tv output for refresh rates etc?

[19:25:43]

tim1:

its ubuntu or nothing at all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[19:25:47]

Dagmar:

tim1 I suggest you change your attitude before someone deliberately directs you at something really screwed up

[19:26:14]

tim1:

yeh ok ,

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SlicerDicer-:

lol Dagmar ;-)

[19:26:46]

tim1:

i suppose i would know if it was really screwed ?

[19:26:57]

Dagmar:

No, you wouldn't because you've not read any documenation yet.

[19:27:01]

fryfrog:

somehow i doubt it :p

[19:27:01]

tim1:

really really screwed

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|Torg|:

tim1 you should have a funtioning system. I already walked youthough installing and setting up teh pacvakges

[19:27:31]

Dagmar:

...and I can guarantee you that there's "guides" out there that will leave you with a smoking ruin of an installation after hours of work.

[19:27:32]

jmblack:

anyone know anything about HDTVs? Im having a rough time getting my ATI Outputting DVI converted to Component (RGB) to display on my HD set. Im currently getting nothing whereas an LCD displays fine. Im currently using a 1080i modline that my set claims to be compatible with

[19:27:36]

tim1:

ok really really reall really crewed

[19:27:38]

|Torg|:

now you need to run mythtv-setup and tell it about your capture cards, and what listings to use

[19:27:46]

Dagmar:

In the meantime, I'm putting your dumbass on ignore

[19:27:48]

|Torg|:

then you run the backand and run mythfilldatabase

[19:27:54]

|Torg|:

all that setup is in th guide you posted

[19:28:10]

tim1:

|Torg|: thank you

[19:28:13]

SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: do you know where I can find the horizontal/vertical refresh rates for tv out? I am not finding them on the mythtv wiki :/

[19:28:28]

SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: as such its what I get coming to me for not archiving my xorg.conf ;-)

[19:28:28]

tim1:

Your`e the man!!!!!!!!!!

[19:28:33]

fryfrog:

SlicerDicer-: i found a web page with a ton of pre-configured ones

[19:28:36]

fryfrog:

you want them from mine?

[19:28:40]

SlicerDicer-:

sure

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|Torg|:

yes jmblack I know enough about how a ATI card works, or rather how it does not. Id ditch it and go get and nvidia card

[19:28:51]

SlicerDicer-:

pvt msg if you dont want to spam fryfrog :)

[19:29:36]

|Torg|:

naa spam him :)

[19:29:37]

Milosch:

tim1: print it and put it in your 'library'

[19:29:57]

fryfrog:

SlicerDicer-: http://pastebin.ca/327169

[19:30:06]

jmblack:

Torg, k, can do. Assuming I use an n-vidia card is their a 'trick' to it? I have a DVI --> component adapter that claims to be 'ati' compatible is that bogus and its compatible with nvidia aswell?

[19:30:09]

SlicerDicer-:

holy crap fryfrog

[19:30:14]

tim1:

Milosch:have i missed some thing

[19:30:26]

fryfrog:

yeah, thats all the modes eh? :)

[19:30:32]

Dagmar:

jmblack: Considering that DVI isnt' proprietary it should work on more or less anything

[19:30:33]

fryfrog:

i only use one ;p

[19:30:38]

Milosch:

for some it would be the kitchen table, for others it could be the bathroom

[19:30:52]

fryfrog:

the thing is... dvi doesn't *have* a component signal

[19:30:52]

|Torg|:

in theory you should be able to get that ATI to work

[19:30:57]

fryfrog:

so if the cable is doing something, it should be universal

[19:30:58]

jmblack:

Dagmar, thanks – I'll give it a whirl.

[19:31:02]

SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: that would allow me to use component?

[19:31:09]

|Torg|:

what you need is a DVI to HDMI cable or other digital thing

[19:31:09]

SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: 480p on my tv?

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Milosch:

some cards have almost but not quite dvi connectors...

[19:31:12]

fryfrog:

*but* if the cable is telling the ATI card to output something different... it might not work

[19:31:19]

|Torg|:

a TVI to compoentne converter ois exepnsive

[19:31:20]

Milosch:

similar but not dvi

[19:31:36]

jmblack:

my set claims that the highest res it supports is 1080i, so I assume I'll want to set a modline for 1080i and have everything scale up to that, correct?

[19:31:40]

fryfrog:

SlicerDicer-: I'm sorry, i don't know your setup.

[19:31:45]

Milosch:

but they won't connect at all, ime

[19:31:55]

SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: 6600GT with component out I can use instead of svideo

[19:31:58]

|Torg|:

yes jmblack but not all 1080I is the same

[19:31:59]

fryfrog:

jmblack: or if the tv takes 720p, you might try athat and see if you like it more

[19:32:05]

SlicerDicer-:

I just could not find the modelines for 480p :/

[19:32:15]

fryfrog:

SlicerDicer-: if your card has component out and your tv has component in, sure

[19:32:26]

fryfrog:

does the tv only do 480p? or can it do 720p?

[19:32:34]

SlicerDicer-:

its just 480p sadly

[19:32:39]

Dagmar:

Milosch: You sure that's the case? There's actually like four different DVI connectors, and some of them won't talk to others (then most of those won't plug into the others, either)

[19:32:42]

fryfrog:

ah, better than 480i :)

[19:32:45]

SlicerDicer-:

indeed

[19:32:49]

SlicerDicer-:

480p aint bad really

[19:33:02]

jmblack:

Torg, ok, so its possible that ID pick 'the wrong' 1080i modline (Ive got 4 in my list here) and it will not display? or will it display but just not look quite right?

[19:33:08]

|Torg|:

svideo and compaosite are ANALOG signals and can not do 480/720 or 1080 I or P, only a digital out or component can

[19:33:20]

SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: be back in a min going to switch it over :)

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|Torg|:

I dont know of ANY video card with component out so your choice is digital to component converters or digital to digital

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: there are a few cards

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Milosch:

Dagmar: i was thinking of a compaq card i had once

[19:33:58]

jmblack:

Torg, yeah, Im converting from DVI --> Component

[19:34:02]

fryfrog:

|Torg|: I *believe* they usually have some special break out box

[19:34:05]

Dagmar:

Euw. Compaq. Okay. I'll believe that from them.

[19:34:06]

|Torg|:

yes jmblack QUITE posible, for exampel those modelines are fro 60hz modes, my tv does 120 and 180hz

[19:34:10]

Milosch:

Dagmar: hehe

[19:34:11]

fryfrog:

it isn't *really* a DVI -> Component cable

[19:34:20]

Milosch:

kormoc: hola

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jmblack:

k, so hopefully it would mention that somewhere in the manual, I'll go dig it out

[19:34:29]

jmblack:

thanks

[19:34:34]

kormoc:

Mornin'

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fryfrog:

like, some of the VIVO nvidia cards have a "dense" svideo port that hooks to a breakout box that has svideo, rca and component

[19:35:03]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: I wouldn't even call it a "dense" connector. I'd just call it a crazy round DIN plug that only connects to the breakout box.

[19:35:14]

|Torg|:

thanks fryfrog I jsut went and looked them up, last time I did all I found were expensive converter boxes

[19:35:21]

fryfrog:

Dagmar: okay, that sounds accurate :)

[19:35:24]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: 6xxx and ups tend to have them.

[19:35:34]

fryfrog:

|Torg|: you *definatly* have to get a video card made to do it though, afaik

[19:35:42]

Dagmar:

I know I got a little worked up because mine "didn't work" until I remembered it came with a little box

[19:35:55]

|Torg|:

ahh Il stick with my DVI to HDMI thanks :)

[19:36:02]

Milosch:

yes, that goofy little box is handy

[19:36:18]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: I should probably do an illustration of that connector and add it to the images on one of the pages on the Wiki I've been working on

[19:36:42]

fryfrog:

DVI -> HDMI FTW :)

[19:37:02]

fryfrog:

Dagmar: do svideo plugs ever work in those ports? i can't remember if they are shapped enough to fit

[19:37:11]

fryfrog:

(by work i mean plug in, not *actually* work)

[19:37:17]

Beirdo:

BTW, |Torg|... technically, component video is also an ANALOG signal :) The failure of composite/svideo to do non-480i modes is due solely to the characteristics of the analog signal timings

[19:37:41]

|Torg|:

yea I know Beirdo which is why I usualy dont say no analog can do HDTV

[19:37:49]

|Torg|:

its the ONLY analog form I knwo that can tho

[19:37:56]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: I managed to plug mine in, which was probably stupid of me because I was kinda forcing it

[19:37:58]

Beirdo:

yeah, so far :)

[19:38:35]

|Torg|:

besides my tv has svideo inputs and so my card has svideo out

[19:38:37]

fryfrog:

i think i managed that too :)

[19:38:43]

|Torg|:

want to see teh difernce between HD and SD?

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** Beirdo would rather do some more MUD coding **

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Beirdo:

gotta love Van Halen for coding music

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|Torg|:

is it playable yet?

[19:40:05]

Beirdo:

hell no, not finished the rewrite

[19:40:31]

Beirdo:

going from a monolithic disgusting piece of code to a multi-threaded setup

[19:40:55]

Beirdo:

and reading the zones and player data, etc from a mySQL database rather than free-format text files

[19:41:01]

|Torg|:

monolithic code is elegant, not disgusting :P

[19:41:11]

Beirdo:

no, it's disgusting

[19:41:20]

|Torg|:

and I would say if it works, its not bad code

[19:41:34]

Beirdo:

especially when it was "designed" almost 25 years ago, and had multiple people "fixing" it ever since

[19:41:37]

Beirdo:

it's a mess

[19:41:39]

BULLE:

nah, you can surely code very badly, and it will still work

[19:41:55]

Dagmar:

Citadel was a good example of that

[19:42:04]

|Torg|:

huh, you have seen my code?

[19:42:07]

Beirdo:

and some of the former coders were spectacularly crappy

[19:42:30]

Beirdo:

and in the process of rewriting, my aim is to totally de-Diku the code

[19:42:54]

Dagmar:

Ahhh Diku

[19:43:07]

SlicerDicer-:

bleh fryfrog its like the red is not getting signal on the component

[19:43:08]

Dagmar:

I remmeber havign very much fun looking for new and exciting way to fuck those up

[19:43:11]

Beirdo:

well, this is Diku -> DaleMud -> HavokMud

[19:43:14]

Dagmar:

HexOnyx ruled

[19:43:31]

Dagmar:

Favorite moment: Figuring out how to teleport to the inventory room of shops, so I could purchase cops as pets.

[19:43:32]

Beirdo:

it's not Diku much anymore, but just enough to still be under that shit license

[19:44:04]

Beirdo:

once I have de-diku'd the code, it's purely GPL2

[19:44:24]

Beirdo:

no more stupid licensing

[19:45:01]

Beirdo:

the command parser got reimplemented yesterday... now uses a balanced binary tree for searching

[19:45:04]

Beirdo:

:)

[19:45:26]

Beirdo:

much much better than linked lists of commands, one list per letter

[19:45:36]

Beirdo:

O(logN) rather than O(N)

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|Torg|:

wel hook me up, I wana play :)

[19:46:02]

Milosch:

bbiaf

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Beirdo:

God HELP me if I bugger up a pointer though ;)

[19:46:07]

Dagmar:

hehe

[19:46:28]

Beirdo:

however, yon bot (/me points at MythLogBot) uses the same balanced binary tree implementation successfully

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Beirdo:

but I gotta get the rest of this thing reimplemented... also de-diku'd the connection handling and the input/output from the sockets

[19:47:44]

Beirdo:

it's getting there

[19:48:59]

Beirdo:

what to work on today... hmmm, the day's nearly over

[19:49:37]

Beirdo:

oh GOD, I still don't have the player info in the database? That will hurt my brain

[19:56:46]

GreyFoxx:

Niftym the mediamvp people have added upnp client support to the mvpmc project

[19:56:50]

GreyFoxx:

That could be handy

[19:58:20]

SlicerDicer-:

damn it fryfrog its 480i :/

[19:58:50]

gberardi:

I learned that 2.6.17, ivtv 0.7, and x86_64 doesn't play well together. I can't find any info on whether the same processor might work on a newer version of the kernel and ivtv drivers, though. I will try to use a newer kernel tonight, but I was wondering if anyone here already knows if I am going to run into trouble and prevent me from wasting my time on another known issue.

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fryfrog:

SlicerDicer-: its a 480i tv with component in?

[20:00:31]

fryfrog:

gberardi: gentoo?

[20:00:54]

gberardi:

fryfrog: Ubuntu

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fryfrog:

oh

[20:01:21]

fryfrog:

i skipped the 64 bit this time around

[20:01:24]

fryfrog:

made life easier

[20:01:52]

SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: yeah kinda bummer

[20:01:56]

SlicerDicer-:

I thought it was 480p

[20:02:05]

gberardi:

fryfrog: Well, I really hope I don't have to completely reinstall with 32-bit.

[20:02:22]

fryfrog:

SlicerDicer-: life sucks, then you die :(

[20:02:32]

SlicerDicer-:

lol fryfrog

[20:02:39]

SlicerDicer-:

I am going to be getting a new tv soon I hope :)

[20:02:43]

SlicerDicer-:

one with at least 720p

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|Torg|:

naa go for the new 1080P ones with ATSC tuners built in :)

[20:05:22]

Milosch:

cool, found an 'old' 92G drive

[20:06:40]

|Torg|:

I have quite a few 250M and 500M ones if you want :P

[20:06:56]

Milosch:

a couple of 500's would be nice, but not if they whine ;)

[20:07:13]

Milosch:

/dev/hdc6 has gone 853 days without being checked, check forced

[20:07:23]

|Torg|:

im not entirely sure thy work, they have been ina box for the beter part of 6 years

[20:07:44]

Milosch:

wow

[20:07:59]

Milosch:

i read incorrectly

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|Torg|:

haha

[20:08:06]

gberardi:

In general, ivtv doesn't play nice with SMP, right? So if I have dual-core, I should disable SMP...which once again sucks.

[20:08:08]

Milosch:

500M == no gracias

[20:08:16]

|Torg|:

I have some 4G and 9G scsi1 srveis too

[20:08:25]

fryfrog:

gberardi: what? how could that be true?

[20:08:30]

fryfrog:

that'd be retarded, imho

[20:08:45]

gberardi:

fryfrog: Just things I have picked up while researching what I needed to do to create a MythTV machine.

[20:08:47]

|Torg|:

dual core and amd_64 dont play nice, disable the other core or go to 32 bit

[20:09:04]

|Torg|:

go ask seth about it

[20:09:18]

gberardi:

|Torg|: Ah, ok.

[20:09:20]

gberardi:

Seth?

[20:09:23]

fryfrog:

dual core > 64bit

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fryfrog:

i'd cry if you disabled dual core to keep 64bit :p

[20:10:05]

|Torg|:

as would I , 64 bit donst gain you anything important

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: I hazard that a lot of that has to do with people trying to use 32-bit binaries with that compatibility shite

[20:10:42]

|Torg|:

I would think so Dagmar. I know seth had allot of issues and infally went to 32 bit with it

[20:10:43]

gberardi:

True, dual core would be more useful in a media machine than 64-bit would.

[20:10:59]

|Torg|:

it also has to do with amd_64 is not true 64 bit

[20:10:59]

Dagmar:

gberardi: definitely for transcoding more than one thing at a time

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

if it's not true 64 bit, what is?

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|Torg|:

a sparc?

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** gberardi also blinks and realizes that he is even more remorseful about purchasing an AMD64 X2 processor for a MythTV box. **

[20:12:18]

Milosch:

cool, this was my old webserver

[20:12:21]

kormoc:

|Torg|, and the difference between them is?

[20:12:29]

|Torg|:

there is nothiing wrong with that cpu just dont run it in 64 bit mode

[20:12:47]

fryfrog:

what?

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kormoc:

|Torg|, you said it's not a true 64 bit proc, what makes it not a true 64 bit proc?

[20:12:51]

fryfrog:

amd64 is 64bit

[20:13:02]

fryfrog:

its 64bit extensions to the x86 platform, just like what intel does

[20:13:05]

kormoc:

it's clflush size is 64 bits...

[20:13:10]

fryfrog:

it allows for access to huge amounts of memory and such

[20:13:29]

fryfrog:

it sure wasn't the *first* 64bit cpu or anything

[20:13:33]

kormoc:

hell, Intel uses the same 64 bit style as amd does, so if amd doesn't have a true 64 bit chip, intel's isnot as well

[20:14:02]

fryfrog:

unless maybe you call "true 64bit" not being *able* to run 32bit stuff

[20:14:06]

fryfrog:

ie, itanium

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gberardi:

Wikipedia: AMD therefore decided that, in the first implementations of the architecture, only the least significant 48 bits of a virtual address would actually be used in address translation (page table lookup).

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kormoc:

Actually, Itanium can run 32 bit stuff, it just has to be compiled in 32 bit mode on a arch of itanium

[20:14:41]

|Torg|:

actaly im talkgin about a cpu that reverences its virtual memory space in 64 bit mode not 32

[20:14:44]

fryfrog:

kormoc: ah

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gberardi:

So basically, AMD decided that you can't address the entire amount of memory a true 64-bit processor should be able to do.

[20:15:01]

|Torg|:

one that does not hack in 64 bit by addming larger reisgtrs and addtioanal space

[20:15:12]

|Torg|:

one that does real 64 bit moves, not 2 clock 32s

[20:15:23]

kormoc:

|Torg|, they are full 64 bit moves...

[20:15:27]

|Torg|:

and one that does 64 bit operations and does not emulate 32 bit

[20:15:35]

|Torg|:

IE the whole thing is 64 bit not just SOME of it

[20:15:59]

|Torg|:

im not talkng about amd vs intel

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fryfrog:

i imagine then the cpu would be like the itanium and not run all the stuff you care about

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kormoc:

all 64 bit procs can 'emulate' 32 bit by just using partial registers...

[20:16:20]

kormoc:

same with 16 bit and 8 bit...

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|Torg|:

ok and what is the operand size in an amd64?

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gberardi:

Well, in any case, it looks like I will need to try to use 32-bit instead.

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gberardi:

So now I'll spend the evening looking up how to backup the data and the database.

[20:17:37]

weasie:

Anyone here good with getting full performance for HDTV?

[20:17:48]

kormoc:

|Torg|, usually 32 bit

[20:18:00]

|Torg|:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=18605#18605

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weasie:

I have everything working pretty well, but I am getting what looks to be dropped frames in my HD playback. Weid part is, the CPU is ~50% idle when it is having the issue

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|Torg|:

and when you run the CPU in x86 mode, how big is teh processor rtegister?

[20:18:37]

kormoc:

|Torg|, as long as the processor is put into long mode (by a 64 bit os), it's true 64 bits.

[20:19:04]

kormoc:

|Torg|, GPR width? 32 or 16

[20:19:05]

|Torg|:

yes kormoc but I was talking about x86_64

[20:19:12]

|Torg|:

yes GPR is 32

[20:19:12]

m12:

LIRCD doesn't load correctly when I start my computer. I have to 'sudo killall lircd' and then restart it to get it to work. why can this be.

[20:19:13]

kormoc:

|Torg|, as am I

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kormoc:

|Torg|, x86_64 has long mode as well as legacy mode

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kormoc:

|Torg|, the GPR in long mode is 64 bits

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|Torg|:

yes kormoc that would be correct

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Dagmar:

It has a very long mode.

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Dagmar:

Much longer than Intel's.

[20:20:08]

Dagmar:

*snicker*

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kormoc:

|Torg|, so I'm wondering what your point is, this is all perfectly acceptable 64 bit implimentation

[20:20:26]

|Torg|:

I didnt say an Intel was better, I implicly said I wasnt talking about Intel vs AMD

[20:21:36]

|Torg|:

actayly thius started when gberardi was asking questions, hes left now

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kormoc:

|Torg|, I'm still wondering at what you ment by not being a true 64 bit processor

[20:22:44]

|Torg|:

read about the issues with gcc on an amd64 vs a sparc

[20:22:53]

|Torg|:

the compiler has isues with floting point registers

[20:23:21]

|Torg|:

I also know when I compile soalris bianires I can compile on the sparc and run it on the amd but not the other way arround

[20:23:22]

kormoc:

|Torg|, that's arch issues, but it doesn't mean the processor isn't a true 64 bit processor...

[20:23:45]

kormoc:

|Torg|, that's cause AMD's arch has extended registers that spac does not have, thus incompatable

[20:24:03]

kormoc:

|Torg|, I won't say there are not Arch differences, but Arch differences does not make one a true processor and one not

[20:25:38]

Dagmar:

There'll be an -m option for that eventualyl, I'm sure

[20:26:02]

|Torg|:

-m128bit-long-double

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Milosch:

it's fun rediscovering an old system...

[20:28:39]

|Torg|:

but this is digressed into a why am I bashing amd discussion

[20:29:18]

kormoc:

|Torg|, I Don't mind you bashing any proc for good reasons, but a blanket statement like that doesn't really help anyone

[20:30:12]

|Torg|:

I wasnt really bashing it, more like I was telling gberardi to use 32 bit to avaoid headaches. Allot like when I say get an nvidia card for HDTV not an ATI one

[20:33:27]

kormoc:

|Torg|, it was more the 'Not a true 64 bit proc'. It meets all the generally held requirements for 64 bit processors. But fair nuff I'm gonna go eat lunch

[20:33:46]

galorin:

just a quick question, as I contemplate the carputer idea.. does mythtv support a straight touchscreen interface?

[20:34:38]

GreyFoxx:

galorin: Not realy

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GreyFoxx:

mouse support is not available for all items

[20:36:06]

galorin:

rats. I like mythtv's interface, and wouldn't know where else to start.

[20:36:35]

|Torg|:

wireless keyboard?

[20:36:44]

GreyFoxx:

The main menu icons are touchable

[20:36:49]

galorin:

guess I'll shelve that idea for a while, or do the RF remote thing. thanks

[20:36:58]

GreyFoxx:

but not the items in the selection menus like watch recordings and such

[20:37:53]

galorin:

maybe for .21 eh?

[20:38:05]

kormoc:

Feel free to submit patches!

[20:39:38]

weasie:

I have everything working pretty well, but I am getting what looks to be dropped frames in my HD playback. Weid part is, the CPU is ~50% idle when it is having the issue

[20:39:41]

galorin:

LOL if I knew where to start, I would. I'm trying to get out of computing, but Linux is the best solution for everything I can think of, except for dealing with data from a Total Station.

[20:39:50]

weasie:

anyone have any ideas?

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janneg:

weasie: mpeg2 HD? try enabling "use video as timebase" and "extra audio buffer" under tv settings -> playback

[20:44:01]

weasie:

well, looks like I just figured out my HD issue. Had to set 'Option "NVAGP" "2" ' in my xorg.conf instead of setting it to 1.

[20:44:20]

weasie:

janneg: thanks for the suggestion, already had that stuff taken care of and just figured it out

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v juski

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juski:

oh man I needed that beer

[20:50:22]

juski:

'venin'

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|Torg|:

juski get me one too please

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** juski lobs |Torg| a couple of cold ones **

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Beirdo:

gently now :)

[20:51:30]

juski:

been a day full of frickin bad news. my 1.5 hour (each way) drive is likely to cost me 8 GBP a day from 2010 or so :(

[20:51:41]

Beirdo:

?!

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Beirdo:

tolls?

[20:51:59]

juski:

yups

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Beirdo:

jeez, sounds like you need to move closer :)

[20:52:34]

Beirdo:

that would so seriously piss me off

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|Torg|:

cant you take a train or something?

[20:53:05]

Beirdo:

I mean, my wife takes a toll road to work, but it's $1US each way between home and work

[20:53:26]

Beirdo:

that's a hell of a lot less than 4GBP each way

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juski:

I could take erm.... 3 trains each way & add 2 hours to my working day

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|Torg|:

damn

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Beirdo:

gack

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|Torg|:

I alwasy fodun teh trains to work well

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juski:

or I could take a bus, eat shower & sleep on the bus & go to & from work constantly

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|Torg|:

VPN and work from home :)

[20:54:25]

|Torg|:

its what im doing now

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juski:

that's the annoying thing

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Beirdo:

sounds like time for a new domicile or new employment...

[20:54:38]

juski:

new employment

[20:54:44]

Beirdo:

you got 3 years :)

[20:54:48]

juski:

less money, for sure but hell for less stress & hassle...

[20:55:12]

juski:

less tax in the govt. coffers too :)

[20:55:23]

hads:

Move country :)

[20:55:31]

juski:

I'm all for doing that

[20:55:40]

hads:

New Zealand is nice :)

[20:55:40]

Beirdo:

hehe

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juski:

my wife isn't so hot on the idea

[20:55:47]

Beirdo:

Bermuda?

[20:55:59]

|Torg|:

sweeden

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juski:

we might move back to the NE of England some day.. just need to find a well-paid enough job up there

[20:56:15]

BULLE:

|Torg|: what about sweden ?

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Beirdo:

I would expect he'd want something British Commonwealth for the easier language barrier :)

[20:56:29]

|Torg|:

if I were to move to anther country

[20:56:43]

Beirdo:

trust me, language barriers SUCK

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hads:

heh

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BULLE:

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juski:

oh yeah cos some countries expect you to learn the local lingo before they let you stay

[20:57:03]

juski:

enlightened countries :)

[20:57:04]

|Torg|:

no but they all speak english well enough

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BULLE:

juski: thats norway, not sweden =)

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Beirdo:

I'm getting to the point where I can often understand the people babbling in Spanish around me

[20:57:30]

|Torg|:

and I live in Texas

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BULLE:

|Torg| is correct in that you can manage pretty well with english only in sweden

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|Torg|:

se habla esponol, relamente Tejano

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Beirdo:

|Torg|, my condolences

[20:57:48]

juski:

think I might have to get a formal qualification of some sort to get out of electronomoronics

[20:57:54]

|Torg|:

ever try to order food at a fast food resturnat?

[20:57:59]

Beirdo:

gah

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BULLE:

|Torg|: where ?

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|Torg|:

Dallas

[20:58:08]

BULLE:

as in in texas, or in sweden ?

[20:58:15]

BULLE:

oh, no, havent been to the us at all

[20:58:16]

Beirdo:

yes, and it seems that stupid Burger King employees ONLY know Spanish

[20:58:23]

Beirdo:

and this town is fairly English

[20:58:28]

Beirdo:

for Puerto Rico

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BULLE:

Beirdo: around here they only speak swedish

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juski:

I know more mysql than the (sh) IT guys at work. more tcp/ip, definitely more linux, more windows...

[20:58:51]

juski:

hey hey kayelem LTNS!

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Beirdo:

BULLE, that would drive me crazy :)

[20:59:05]

BULLE:

Beirdo: well, i live in sweden =)

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Beirdo:

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juski:

if only stacking shelves paid 25k a year

[20:59:19]

hads:

juski: Start your own business. It's always fun.

[20:59:21]

kayelem:

hiya juski :)

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BULLE:

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|Torg|:

quisiera un numero cinco no cincino numero unos!

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Beirdo:

yeah, I think I'd want to learn some Swedish before moving to a free country like Sweden

[20:59:53]

Beirdo:

BULLE, hehe, right, sorry, at least it's close :)

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juski:

you'd need to learn more of the local laws too

[21:00:03]

Beirdo:

still viking in origin. :)

[21:00:04]

|Torg|:

half hour tv stations are in spansh and so are most the biullbaords (not that I care much)

[21:00:05]

Paladine:

anyone seen "The Lost Room"?

[21:00:21]

Dagmar:

Yep

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BULLE:

Beirdo: ye, danish and swedish is pretty similar, we understand each others languages pretty well

[21:00:23]

juski:

like recycle or your neighbours tip your rubbish out all over the street & make a mockery of you ;)

[21:00:31]

Paladine:

Dagmar, any good?

[21:00:39]

Paladine:

it just started recording here

[21:00:39]

Dagmar:

You have to know by now if it's weird Sci-Fi, I will watch it or have seen it

[21:00:52]

Dagmar:

Paladine: Yeah, it was actually. Very strange, too.

[21:00:59]

Paladine:

Dagmar, I am starting to realise that ;)

[21:01:15]

|Torg|:

and truthfully BULLE the only thing I know about sweden is Stockholm

[21:01:18]

Paladine:

Dagmar, we seem to have very similar viewing habits :)

[21:01:31]

juski:

I see anything with the word 'lost' in the title & just tune out ;)

[21:01:40]

kayelem:

juski, ah, fun... hey, I got mythtv running on 180, 240, 441, 343, 819 as well..! Name any electronic standard from 1936 onwards, it'll do it...

[21:01:47]

Beirdo:

BULLE, I would like to visit the ice hotel sometime, but it's gonna have to wait a while first. Gotta settle into permanent residency here first

[21:01:55]

kormoc:

juski, but what about Lost in Space?!?!

[21:01:58]

BULLE:

|Torg|: well, sweden is pretty similar all around, if you have been to stockholm, you have experienced sweden pretty much

[21:02:07]

juski:

kormoc: bah, the pain, the pain....

[21:02:08]

Beirdo:

and I still want a Volvo P1800 (my dad had one) :)

[21:02:16]

BULLE:

Beirdo: ah, ye, be quick though, before global warming ends the ice hotell =)

[21:02:26]

Paladine:

Dagmar, it looks very twighlight zone-esque

[21:02:35]

|Torg|:

and the main reason I would go there is for the laws about fair use and technology

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Beirdo:

heh, I'm sure that the winters will get nice and cold too, no?

[21:02:44]

juski:

lol BULLE that's like saying go to Beijing before it gets all Westernised... oops

[21:02:59]

BULLE:

Beirdo: haha, if you like volvo, sweden is the place to go

[21:03:03]

kayelem:

juski, and my 1962 Swiss 625/819-line set is working *well* now... 819-line is just amazing... Those crazy French :-)

[21:03:03]

|Torg|:

but that never gets light in the winter and never gets dark in the summer is sorta dipressing

[21:03:09]

Beirdo:

Or like saying go to New Orleans before it was flooded..

[21:03:19]

kormoc:

quick, eat the chocolate palace before it melts!

[21:03:21]

BULLE:

Beirdo: well, i live pretty far south, and we currently have -12C a

[21:03:27]

juski:

kayelem: wicked. you know some folks can't even get good ole 625 lines worky :-P

[21:03:36]

Dagmar:

Paladine: To a great degree, it is

[21:04:08]

Beirdo:

that's not bad, BULLE. I grew up a couple hours north of Toronto, very similar climate to the south of Sweden. And my dad swears by (pre-Ford) Volvos, and I'd have to agree with him.

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kayelem:

juski, I can believe it... but 625 is *easy*...

[21:04:10]

Dagmar:

Paladine: Note that the leading man is also Mr. Spooky Hornrims on Heroes

[21:04:23]

Dagmar:

Paladine: I begin to think the dude is the next Gary

[21:04:28]

Paladine:

yeah I haven't seen any heroe's yet

[21:04:34]

Paladine:

doesn't start here til end of feb

[21:04:39]

Dagmar:

er Gary Oldman

[21:04:42]

juski:

anyone got a modeline for an ITT 4956O model from 1947 ? :-P

[21:04:51]

Paladine:

Dagmar, I figured who you meant :)

[21:05:08]

kayelem:

juski, just give me 5 minutes with my calculator... ;-)

[21:05:10]

Dagmar:

Paladine: You can probably just go to NBC.com's website and just watch it

[21:05:22]

juski:

now me, I'd be posting those rare modelines into the interweb database just to confuzzle the noobs

[21:05:30]

Paladine:

Dagmar, yeah but I have crappy latency atm, so I prefer to record it

[21:05:32]

Dagmar:

Paladine: They've gotten so excited about people actually watching their stuff they've gone crazy with the internet feeds on this one

[21:05:35]

|Torg|:

bbc.co.uk locks me out so I cant

[21:05:45]

kormoc:

juski, ooh, imaging if there was a model number colision...

[21:05:47]

Dagmar:

I've not heard NBC locking anyone out of Heroes

[21:05:48]

kayelem:

juski, I will be doing oncwe i've got *every* world standard ever used done... I'm ploughing through them...

[21:05:58]

juski:

kayelem: lol

[21:06:02]

juski:

go for it!

[21:06:12]

|Torg|:

maybe its just a British thing then

[21:06:25]

Dagmar:

Paladine: Umm... I didnt' say this, but Google "mimms"

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juski:

and get some 415-line themes out while you're at it, but to really piss people off, only do wide ones ;)

[21:06:38]

Dagmar:

It doesnt' really matter what your connection speed is if you're determined enough

[21:06:40]

kayelem:

hehe

[21:06:43]

Paladine:

mimms?

[21:06:43]

BULLE:

Beirdo: yes, with that climate, there are realy only a few car brands that work well, volvo, saab, audi are the best imho

[21:07:08]

juski:

well, I need to go help tidy up. we have company tomorrow, so the house has to be unfeasibly clean

[21:07:09]

Beirdo:

yup. surprise, two of them are scandinavian in origin :)

[21:07:26]

Paladine:

I'll just wait for it to air, it is not like I don't have enough stuff to watch at the moment ;)

[21:07:32]

Dagmar:

Paladine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiMMS

[21:07:35]

hads:

Does anyone else get a strip of flashing/leftover OSD at the bottom of a video when playing videos wih mythvideo (Internal player)? It only seesm happen with cropped widescreen avi files (.40 type ratio).

[21:07:35]

Beirdo:

I like the boxy Volvos. Ford ruined the brand, IMHO

[21:08:08]

Dagmar:

hads: there was something in the changelog about fixing a number of sinister off-by-1 bugs in the playback stuff

[21:08:09]

Paladine:

dagmar. ahhh sweet

[21:08:31]

Dagmar:

Paladine: I've been using it for a long while now when there's something I really, really need to archive

[21:08:50]

hads:

Dagmar: Sweet cheers, I'll take a gander

[21:08:52]

Dagmar:

Paladine: I used to use it to get snippets from CNN, and now I just kinda have tuner #2 recording it 24/7 when there's nothing else going on

[21:09:07]

Paladine:

Dagmar, even with Mimms I would be covered under time shifting with regards copyright anyway

[21:09:21]

BULLE:

Beirdo: http://www.volvop1800club.se/

[21:09:35]

Dagmar:

Paladine: Yes, and there's not really anyone that's going to prosecute that you technically downloaded a permanent copy of it just to be able to watch the thing once

[21:09:55]

Beirdo:

BTW, BULLE... it's a nice balmy 27.2C here :)

[21:09:56]

Paladine:

aye

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Beirdo:

yeah my dad had a 1973 P1800E in mustard yellow when I was 12 through 16

[21:10:17]

Paladine:

k back to the lost room, this look slike it is going to need my full attention

[21:10:22]

Dagmar:

Yep.

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Beirdo:

the front fenders both were rusted out, he ended up selling it, but it was a really sweet little car

[21:11:01]

Dagmar:

I had a 71' beetle. ;)

[21:11:02]

Beirdo:

or was it a 1972? don't remember

[21:11:08]

Beirdo:

it was about my age, anyways

[21:11:25]

kayelem:

ah, found it..! juski, I knew I'd got a screenshot somewhere... MythTV running on 819-line hooked to my 1962 23" Sondyna valve TV playing a DVD – http://www.technogoths.demon.co.uk/temp/Sondyna-819-01.jpg

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Beirdo:

the P1800E even had fuel injection :) a nice little zippy sports car :)

[21:12:35]

Beirdo:

wonder how much it would cost to import one to PR from California? ;)

[21:12:58]

Paladine:

looks like dakota fanning's sister is in this?

[21:13:29]

Paladine:

she's the spitting image of her sister

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Beirdo:

BULLE, if you scroll down to the one they have as "Summer Greetings from Per Groth in Denmark" on that P1800 page, that's almost precisely what my dad had, including color

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_mike3:

hey guys.. What's the best TV tuner on the market these days?

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kormoc:

for analog cable tv? pvr 150

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|Torg|:

defie best and what kind of tv

[21:16:07]

Paladine:

yup pvr150

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_mike3:

uh, digitial cable/satellite

[21:16:24]

_mike3:

?

[21:16:37]

Paladine:

pvr150

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_mike3:

pvr150 will handle digital cable too?

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|Torg|:

haha Paladine

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|Torg|:

no it only does analog

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Paladine:

so long as it isn't hd yes

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_mike3:

that's what I though

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Paladine:

torg, I have digital tv on a pvr150

[21:17:28]

GreyFoxx:

not directly though

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|Torg|:

through composite input?

[21:17:40]

GreyFoxx:

the pvr150 will record from any analog output, including the ananlog output of a stb

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Paladine:

nope svideo in via aset top box

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|Torg|:

ok then PDTV :P

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SeeJay:

Hello everyone..

[21:18:38]

_mike3:

Paladine: explain. You're basicially converting your digital back to analog then to your tuner?

[21:18:44]

SeeJay:

I'm way new to mythtv thought i would check out the irc channel

[21:19:10]

Paladine:

mike, well the set top box only has analog outputs, so no matter what I watch it on it is analog

[21:19:27]

SeeJay:

quick question.. when i record with my tuner card.. it goes like 1 hour episode like 1.5gigs ... how can i make it encode do a diffrent codec like divx

[21:19:46]

_mike3:

Paladine: got'cha.

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Paladine:

SeeJay, afaik you can't make it record in mpeg4, it would be a huge cpu overhead. You transcode it after recording

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|Torg|:

1.5G per hour, hell try 7G per hour

[21:21:54]

Paladine:

Torg 3GB per hour here

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_mike3:

Torg – there is options for 700 meg

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GreyFoxx:

SeeJay: What kind of capture card ?

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|Torg|:

im recording direct mpeg2 tho

[21:22:21]

Paladine:

torg so am I

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SeeJay:

i have the PVR-500

[21:22:28]

SeeJay:

happauge

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SeeJay:

duel tuner

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|Torg|:

no _mike3 I dont transcode, I dont encode

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|Torg|:

I capture, thats all

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SeeJay:

GreyFoxx

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_mike3:

Oh I see.

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|Torg|:

Paladine this is from what SKY1?

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|Torg|:

mine is 1080I HDTV with AC3 surround

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|Torg|:

comes to 7–8G/hr

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SeeJay:

:(

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SeeJay:

ouch

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Paladine:

torg yeah from sky

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timo:

hi , how do i stop the back end of mythtv

[21:24:23]

Paladine:

I get about 5200Kb/s though my svideo in stream

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SeeJay:

cd /etc/init.d/

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timo:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop ?

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SeeJay:

./mythtvbacken stop

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|Torg|:

yes timo

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timo:

thx

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|Torg|:

yea Paladine I think the diffence is video resultion and 5 channel audio

[21:25:00]

Paladine:

Dagmar, I want that key

[21:25:10]

Paladine:

torg, yeah

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Paladine:

torg, still 5200 on an analog stream is not to be balked at :)

[21:25:41]

qfour20:

I'm wondering how I would configure mythfrontend to send audio to the SPDIF port on my soundcard. I've gotten aplay to send audio there using the syntax: aplay -D plughw:0,1 testfile.wav It seems that I can't figure out the magical incantation that myth wants to send audio to that port.

[21:25:50]

|Torg|:

yea some stuff juski sent me in PAL HD format looked pretty good

[21:25:58]

|Torg|:

I can tell the differnce but still it was acceptable

[21:26:00]

Paladine:

this is just sd

[21:26:07]

Paladine:

we will be upgrading to HD later this year

[21:26:49]

Paladine:

afaik skyhd is only 720p atm in the uk

[21:26:54]

|Torg|:

actualy what he sent me was SD, but at 16:9 ratio

[21:27:15]

SeeJay:

i'm vary new to mythtv and linux, i just built a linux box yesterday and had my buddy install mythtv and set it all up ..

[21:27:31]

SeeJay:

whats the best way to put knoppmyth onto the tv?

[21:28:22]

Paladine:

seejay, you coul use blutac or screws I guess, but screws would damage the tv

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|Torg|:

knopmyth is a linus distribution with mythtv built in, distributed by CD. A Tv is something you watch. You put knoppmyth on yout TV the same way you put it on your dinner...you dont

[21:28:27]

Paladine:

maybe hotglue?

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qfour20:

rubber cement!

[21:29:04]

SeeJay:

funny funny.. did i miss word it

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SeeJay:

lol

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Paladine:

tv out from your graphics card if it is a crt

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Paladine:

if it is an lcd tv you could use dvi or vga straight into the tv

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|Torg|:

I think you meant is how do yu put knopmyth on yout copmptuer, the answer is put in teh cd and boot from it

[21:29:44]

SeeJay:

i only have rca

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Paladine:

composite video and audio?

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Paladine:

that will work too

[21:30:15]

SeeJay:

ya.. Right now i just record the episodes and play them on my modded xbox

[21:30:30]

SeeJay:

useing xbox media center

[21:30:44]

SeeJay:

but that does not support live tv :(

[21:31:39]

|Torg|:

live tv is overrated

[21:31:48]

SeeJay:

lol

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Paladine:

I still watch a lot of livetv

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|Torg|:

I intentionaly pause live tv so I can skip commercials

[21:32:17]

SeeJay:

i bought the best pvr out there i think the 500 duel tuner .. and i got the 2 exta cards for it

[21:32:40]

SeeJay:

but a 1.6gig file for a hour episode sucks..

[21:32:46]

SeeJay:

i have to learn to convert it smaller

[21:32:53]

Paladine:

dagmar, so the room is a constant?

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|Torg|:

its called mythtranscode

[21:33:03]

Paladine:

as in it never changes

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|Torg|:

and smaller = less information = lower qauility

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SeeJay:

i guess i have nt got the transcode to work i guess

[21:33:47]

Paladine:

seejay, hard drive are so cheap nowadays, even 3GB per hour (which is what I get) is nothing to be concerned about

[21:34:10]

SeeJay:

i download tv shows off the newsgroups.. and like 30 min show is usally 160–300megs

[21:34:18]

|Torg|:

I made a 2TB raid5 array for $600 and I can record months of shows on it

[21:34:19]

SeeJay:

and its a pretty good quality

[21:34:32]

|Torg|:

and it is exelecnt auality

[21:34:41]

Paladine:

seejay, but do you want a pvr or a pirates cave?

[21:34:54]

SeeJay:

my linux server is only AMD 2100 XP 512ram 250gig hard drive

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|Torg|:

Paladine can I have a cave please :)

[21:35:13]

qfour20:

YARRRRRRR

[21:35:14]

Paladine:

torg hehehehe

[21:35:22]

SeeJay:

I have 2TB on mynetwork

[21:35:30]

SeeJay:

i'm vary new to linux still..

[21:35:36]

Paladine:

my point was a pvr is not the same as "pirated" t shows

[21:35:38]

SeeJay:

trying to convert to linux .. i hate windows

[21:35:48]

SeeJay:

ya.

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Paladine:

s/t/tv

[21:36:18]

SeeJay:

I'm at work right now on my laptop board..

[21:36:20]

Paladine:

seejay, you just transcode them afterwards if you need to

[21:36:29]

kormoc:

SeeJay, Don't talk about pirated tv shows in here. it's a kickbannable offence

[21:36:30]

SeeJay:

i just ssh to my linux box.. and play around trying to learn it..

[21:36:36]

SeeJay:

Sorry

[21:36:45]

SeeJay:

i like my mythtv

[21:36:46]

timo:

thanks every one that helped , i can now watch tv on mythtv

[21:36:48]

|Torg|:

SeeJay the thigns you see that are 300 and 600M are pirated shows that hav been transcoded, usualy at very high loss rates

[21:37:11]

timo:

the changing of channels is a bit slow thou :(

[21:37:21]

SeeJay:

i'll stop talking about priated shows... only mythtv.. that i really want to work how i want

[21:37:55]

SeeJay:

i only have a 15' lcd on my backend ... and i'm trying to build a knoppmyth frountend for my bedroom and living roonm

[21:38:14]

timo:

is there a way to change the aspect ratio

[21:38:24]

qfour20:

timo: "w"

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qfour20:

timo: you can also set the "aspect ratio override" in the setup, under general, I think

[21:38:46]

timo:

can i also use the mce remote :-[

[21:38:59]

SeeJay:

i have a irman for mine ..

[21:39:01]

kormoc:

timo, yes, lirc supports it

[21:39:04]

SeeJay:

have not installed it yet tho

[21:39:28]

Paladine:

WTF!!! this show is pretty damn cool

[21:39:31]

SeeJay:

I have a 4x20 LCD for my server show's me alot of info

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|Torg|:

which show?

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timo:

ohh its going to take another 3 hours to sort his out :-/

[21:40:02]

timo:

*off to google

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Paladine:

torg "The Lost Room"

[21:40:27]

SeeJay:

w

[21:41:00]

SeeJay:

sorry "thought i was typing in putty "

[21:41:19]

SeeJay:

i like viewing my mythweb from work to scedule my tv shows

[21:41:42]

SeeJay:

i also have a pvr inside my comcast cable box.. i'm likeing my mythtv better

[21:42:16]

|Torg|:

comcasts prices, wonderfull pvr and quaility costomer service is why I have ATSC cards

[21:42:39]

SeeJay:

ya comcast is expensive

[21:42:39]

qfour20:

i like my comcast box... BECAUSE FIREWIRE IS ENABLED

[21:43:10]

qfour20:

other than that, it is, without a doubt, the most craptastic pvr i've ever had the misfortune of using

[21:43:12]

SeeJay:

it sucks you can't take shows off the comcast box and share them on your network

[21:43:29]

qfour20:

i wouldn't expect them to do that

[21:43:34]

SeeJay:

my wife won't get ride of comcast pvr... but i like my mythtv so far

[21:43:47]

SeeJay:

it would be cool tho

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qfour20:

i would, however, expect the pvr to actually *GASP* _RECORD_ the shows i tell it to

[21:43:56]

|Torg|:

cancel comcast, get atsc cards, show your wife the bill you save

[21:44:00]

timo:

can i use synaptic to install lirc

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SeeJay:

atsc?

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|Torg|:

ATSC is brodcast HDTV

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qfour20:

atsc == over the air broadcasts

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|Torg|:

what I paid Comcast nearly $100 a month for I now get free

[21:44:51]

SeeJay:

well

[21:44:57]

SeeJay:

what about the higher channels

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qfour20:

i rather like discoveryHD and ESPNHD

[21:45:09]

SeeJay:

can you give me a link for this atsc card

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|Torg|:

oh and and higher bit rates and resolution becsae I dont have Comcast robbing bit

[21:45:23]

|Torg|:

this atsc? try AN ATSC/

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|Torg|:

there are many

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SeeJay:

so then you use your mythtv as your pvr

[21:45:41]

|Torg|:

mythtv *IS* my pvr

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qfour20:

yeah... comcast doesn't do such a good job with retransmission of the OTA HD broadcasts

[21:45:52]

SeeJay:

lol

[21:46:21]

kormoc:

keep in mind, you're limited to what you can get over the air with the ATCS cards, and you'll need an antenna (see antennaweb.org )

[21:47:12]

SeeJay:

my trailer park has free cable included in the lotrent

[21:47:20]

SeeJay:

so the pvr mythtv is all i really needed

[21:47:23]

SeeJay:

but hd tv would be cool

[21:47:36]

|Torg|:

you live in a trailer park and know what a computer is?

[21:47:45]

SeeJay:

I have 5 pc's in my house

[21:48:23]

SeeJay:

I also have a APC 2200 hooked up to 3 of my pc's and my server when we get power outs once a year when it rains hard... i do not lose internet at all :)

[21:48:31]

kormoc:

SeeJay, myth can receive the ATSC as well as standard cable and other forms of input, so if you bought a ATSC card, you'd still be able to use it with myth (assuming it's supported)

[21:48:38]

SeeJay:

my APC could run my systems for 45 minutes after power out

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jmblack:

or could I have some kind of modline issue?

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|Torg|:

yes jmblack

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qfour20:

does it work if you go dvi -> component input on the back of the tv?

[21:50:49]

jmblack:

thanks q, I'll give that a whirl, unfortunately the logistics of that are hard but its the right way to proceed.

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SeeJay:

how many tuners can you put in a pc with mythtv?

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qfour20:

SeeJay: as many as you can fit in the box(en).

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|Torg|:

in theory its unlimited, its limit is usualy the speed of th disk or speed of the bus on the pc

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SeeJay:

thats awsome..

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SeeJay:

my cpu is 1733mhz

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GreyFoxx:

SeeJay: And since you can have slave backends, you can have as many tuners as you can stuff in many boxes

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qfour20:

then the bottleneck becomes the bandwidth of your local network

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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H00chster:

Sorry for repeating my question, but building a 2nd backend now and just want to confirm, I have a 2.4G P4 and a AMD 3500+ 64Bit, the AMD will have a frontend on it as well, and I do HD with that system, so I do recordings in HD as well. I should make the 2.4G my Master BE and the 64bit 3500+ BE/FE a slave BE?

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qfour20:

and the bandwidth of your WALLET

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qfour20:

H00chster: sounds about right to me. I've gotten far better performance on a64 systems than p4 systems.

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jmblack:

ok, the problem IS my DVI --> component adapter evidently this lil cheapie does not work as advertised. Is anyone currently using one they are happy with? It appears I need to order a different DVI --> component adapter

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H00chster:

right, just figured origianlly that the faster system should be the master, but last night they were recommending it be the slave since it can handle some of the slave duties better

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qfour20:

jmblack: what manufacturer of video card are you using?

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kormoc:

jmblack, honestly, it's likely going to be better to just buy a video card that can do component out natively

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|Torg|:

no the faster shoyld be the frontend

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jmblack:

NVidia, but Ive got an ATI I can swap out if necessary

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SlicerDicer-:

hey GreyFoxx does mysql 5 work with mythtv .20? I had massive issues with .19 is this still the case?

[21:57:50]

|Torg|:

if you are recording HD it does not take allot of CPU, watching it does

[21:57:52]

jmblack:

kormoc, they exist? :p

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qfour20:

jmblack: nvidia is better (in my experience)

[21:58:04]

kormoc:

jmblack, yes, I have a 6200 nvidia that does that

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GreyFoxx:

SlicerDicer-: IT should be fine

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H00chster:

|Torg| right, I am making it the frontend, but it is also a Backend as well, just making sure it should be a slave backend instead of a master. And make the P4 the Master

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jmblack:

ahh, ok, is it a breakout box or are the connectors on the card itself?

[21:58:29]

SlicerDicer-:

ok GreyFoxx :) thanks

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kormoc:

jmblack, card itself

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kormoc:

jmblack, via a small dongle

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jmblack:

k

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jmblack:

hopefully its a feature advertised on the box ;) I'll go have a look. thx for the pointer

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qfour20:

jmblack: there are places that sell dvi to component adapters that *should* work with nvidia cards

[21:59:38]

qfour20:

jmblack: give me a few minutes and I'll research...

[21:59:51]

jmblack:

k

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|Torg|:

my BE is as AMD XP 1500, with two PCI dvb ATSC cards, if its recoding both channels each take about 15% cpu (mostly in the IO part). Unless its comflagging (and I do that on the FE anyway) its fine

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kormoc:

jmblack, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814108005

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|Torg|:

your dual 2.4 shoudl be able to putperform that 4x

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kormoc:

jmblack, see the black cable that goes to component? that's the dongle they tend to have

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: I finally did component out :)

[22:00:59]

kormoc:

yeah?

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H00chster:

it's not a dual, just a regular. but being as lots of the cpu will be used by the FE on the 64bit just wanted to make sure that was what is recommended. I will move my database to the new master and reconfigure things

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qfour20:

jmblack: exactly what video card is it that you have?

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|Torg|:

you can leave the database where it is if you want

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: yeah I havent run a video yet but once I do :)

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qfour20:

b/c if it uses the "svideo" port you have to tell nvidia's driver to output component

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: none of my data is on the backend right now :/

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H00chster:

If I do that |Torg| wouldn't it be leaving the 64bit as the master?

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|Torg|:

mythbackend is not the same as mysql

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|Torg|:

you dont have to run mysql on either the BE or the FE you just have to have a mysql server

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H00chster:

true

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|Torg|:

you could run the mysql server anywere it is acceable when the BE runs

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timo:

hey i cant install irc-0.8.0 , i don't know why , i have followed almost every guide

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H00chster:

I do have another sql server that runs my web and mail guess I could consilidate just didn't know if it would tax the server heh

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|Torg|:

of course you could dump and reload the database on another sever in the matter of transfer time over your netowrk

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sliverworm:

hey, I get this error when running ./configure on my freshly installed ubuntu machine.

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sliverworm:

gcc is unable to create an executable file.

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sliverworm:

If gcc is a cross-compiler, use the --cross-compile option.

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sliverworm:

C compiler test failed.

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sliverworm:

mythtv-dev@mythtv.org mailing list or IRC #mythtv on irc.freenode.net

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sliverworm:

Include the log file "config.err" produced by configure as this will help

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sliverworm:

solving the problem.

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H00chster:

not an sql genius by any means

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H00chster:

but do know how to dump it

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H00chster:

and put it into another

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|Torg|:

mysqldump the database mysql < dump the new server

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sliverworm:

any help would be appreciated

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|Torg|:

if your really inspires, make one mysql server the master and slave the other

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|Torg|:

takes about 3 mins for mne to fully catch up

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H00chster:

do you think leaving the database on the 64bit will use much cpu of it? I mean it isn't taxed now by any means just wanting to setup the best

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|Torg|:

what I would love is mysql to two way replicaiton or the ability to move mythtv off of mysql

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SlicerDicer-:

|Torg|: what does that do?

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x86:

what's the setting in the database that controls the playback aspect ratio?

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|Torg|:

what does what do?

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SlicerDicer-:

errrm...

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juski:

what's with all the bypassing of the UI developers so considerately implemented?!

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|Torg|:

and dont run the amd in 64 bit mode

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H00chster:

can mysql do replication, so that it is constantly keeping a backup? or would that tie too much resources up

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** |Torg| goes to hide from kormoc **

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SlicerDicer-:

|Torg|: 64bit FTW!!!

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x86:

H00chster: that's not hard to do

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|Torg|:

it does replication fine, esp at the very low transactional rate mythtv puts on it

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GreyFoxx:

h00

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H00chster:

might do that and that way not have to worry bout backups

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juski:

just back it up every night & have done with it

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juski:

replication my eye

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SlicerDicer-:

juski: thats what I do :)

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H00chster:

heh juski

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x86:

|Torg|: mythtv uses transactions?

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SlicerDicer-:

juski: cron rawks

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sliverworm:

can anybody assist me in getting my mythtv to even install..

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GreyFoxx:

x86: No

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|Torg|:

mythtv talks to the database dosnt it?

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x86:

sliverworm: read the docs

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sliverworm:

I have read them.

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GreyFoxx:

not if you are referring to rollback and such

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x86:

GreyFoxx: heh, didnt think so ;)

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x86:

GreyFoxx: right, true transactions

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sliverworm:

gcc is unable to create an executable file.

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sliverworm:

If gcc is a cross-compiler, use the --cross-compile option.

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sliverworm:

C compiler test failed.

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sliverworm:

mythtv-dev@mythtv.org mailing list or IRC #mythtv on irc.freenode.net

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sliverworm:

Include the log file "config.err" produced by configure as this will help

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H00chster:

so the little it uses leave the database where it is, and just make the new p4 the master and make the 64b the slave

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sliverworm:

solving the problem.

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SlicerDicer-:

omg spam!

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x86:

sliverworm: your GCC is broken, fix it

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SlicerDicer-:

sliverworm: use a pastebin for that shit like http://rafb.net/paste

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** SlicerDicer- also points to topic **

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Beirdo:

or www.pastebin.ca

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sliverworm:

GCC can't be broken.. I JUST installed the system and got all updates

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x86:

binary packages?

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Beirdo:

it is broken, obviously

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sliverworm:

I will check out pastebin..

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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sliverworm:

well ok it could be broken.

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Beirdo:

try gcc --version

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gbee:

guys, go easy on sliverworm

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SlicerDicer-:

Beirdo: I have seen binary distros do crazy stuff ;-)

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sliverworm:

gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20060928 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.1–13ubuntu5)

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Beirdo:

ubuntu works if you install all you need ;) But you might end up missing somethign

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juski:

bah umbongo again. ffs that distro is rubbish

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|Torg|:

so x86 define true transactions

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SlicerDicer-:

sliverworm: did you do 'apt-get install build-essential'?

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Beirdo:

for instance libc++-dev (I think it is)

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Beirdo:

juski, no it isn't

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SlicerDicer-:

I think thats what it is?

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SlicerDicer-:

juski: haha umbongo

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Beirdo:

it works just fine for many people, you just have a grudge ;)

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sliverworm:

alright, I know how to type commands.. I don't fully understand all this building binarys and etc..

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SlicerDicer-:

juski: I had my backend running on ubuntu for a bit

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sliverworm:

lets try that apt-get install build .. etc

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SlicerDicer-:

juski: its just too much of a pain for what I do :)

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Beirdo:

not a problem, sliverworm.

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SlicerDicer-:

juski: I hate rolling my own packages cause maintainers are douchebags :)

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Beirdo:

it's likely just missing one little part and that causes it to break configure

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SlicerDicer-:

juski: leaving out 90% of firewire support I classify ultimate douchebaggery

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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sliverworm:

it seems the term. doesn't even understand the apt cmd.

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Beirdo:

?

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Beirdo:

you need to be su'd to root to do apt-get successfully

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sliverworm:

I am.

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SlicerDicer-:

Beirdo: his install is horked good I guess

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sliverworm:

root@dvr-desktop:/home/dvr/Desktop/mythtv-0.20# atp-get

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sliverworm:

bash: atp-get: command not found

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

apt-get

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Beirdo:

not atp-get :)

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sliverworm:

lol

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sliverworm:

re-trying.

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Beirdo:

simple typos are great, eh?

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sliverworm:

now I know why I dropped that programming class.

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sliverworm:

I like networking.

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|Torg|:

esp when you try to vi a file and checkin the file instead :)

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gbee:

my code is full of typos – fixing them is what keeps me in business :p

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Beirdo:

|Torg|, I HATE that. vi, ci, co are all nearly the same keystrokes

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timo:

can any one help with lirc ,http://pastebin.ca/327370

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sliverworm:

it did something

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Beirdo:

gooood

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sliverworm:

appears its updating the packages

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Beirdo:

it would likely be installing a few missing ones

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H00chster:

so back to the sql question, will myth run just as fast with the master database on another server? if so I might just move it to my main server and let all my databases be in the same place, if it doesn't use that much cpu

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qfour20:

jmblack: sorry... i had to drop real quick. boss was shouldersurfing.

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qfour20:

which video card are you using?

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sliverworm:

so what did this apt-get cmd actually do.. Iam downloading the internet now

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sliverworm:

hehe

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slowone:

the boss at the end is pretty hard

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H00chster:

apt-get is a package manager it grabs packages from the internet or cdrom

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Beirdo:

it is installing packages as required to build stuff

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sliverworm:

ah, so if I were to type in.. essetial install or whatever was after apt-get in the software update thing, it would have found the same thing

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|Torg|:

it used servers in /etc/apt/sources.list to query what packages they have, it in turn tells your box to compare a list of installed packges agsint what you asked for

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|Torg|:

it is refered to as package managnment software

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sliverworm:

I see . I see :)

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sliverworm:

now I get this error..

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sliverworm:

cat: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf: No such file or directory

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sliverworm:

cat: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf: No such file or directory

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sliverworm:

You must have the Lame MP3 encoding library installed to compile Myth.

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sliverworm:

exit: 2349: Illegal number: -1

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sliverworm:

awesome.

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sliverworm:

so I need LAME

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juski:

liblame-dev IIRC

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

you need it :)

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Paladine:

sliver you on ubuntu?

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|Torg|:

and libc

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Paladine:

if so do sudo apt-get build-deps mythtv

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juski:

ubuntu's okay I suppose but you can end up needing a lot of stuff that isn't part of official repos to get it to be any use

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sliverworm:

yeah I have noticed.

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sliverworm:

I had suse installed on my laptop for awhile and I loved it.

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Paladine:

or is that build-dep

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sliverworm:

untill GNOME bit the dust, I gave up after that

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jmblack:

qfour, no problem. Im gonna go the easy relianble route and just get a diff card that comes with the component out cables

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jmblack:

*reliable

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|Torg|:

build-dep

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Beirdo:

juski, yes, due to stupid laws all over the world, and they are being to anally careful about it

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|Torg|:

I dint see that untill you said something Paladine :)

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Paladine:

yeah thanks torg, I always seem to want to add the s

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sliverworm:

apt-get build-deps mythv gives --- E: Invalid operation build-deps

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|Torg|:

yes its build-dep no s

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juski:

happy to report since I stopped trying to mount samba shares permanently, umbongo seems to have stopped spontaneously rebooting

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Paladine:

silver, sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

samba shares--

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|Torg|:

AND you have to have mythtv deps in your sources.list

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Beirdo:

between two Linux boxes, use NFS :)

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sliverworm:

nice.

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Paladine:

torg, mythtv is in standard repos, so that shouldn't be a problem

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juski:

Beirdo: give me a call when photoshop et al run on linux then ;)

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

oh, you poor sucker :)

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|Torg|:

E: Unable to find a source package for mythtv

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|Torg|:

yu sure Paladine ?

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sliverworm:

photoshop runs on unix..

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sliverworm:

Mac :)

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qfour20:

jmblack: does the nvidia card you're using have a "svideo" looking port on it that has a few extra pins on it?

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Paladine:

torg, you in edgy?

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SeeJay:

lol

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Paladine:

it worked in both dapper and edgy for me

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Beirdo:

GIMP is... gimpy

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|Torg|:

no debian

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qfour20:

jmblack: i have an extra adapter that i'm not using for that port

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|Torg|:

but I svn my myth, you know that :P

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sliverworm:

GIMP is GIMPED compared to photoshop

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SeeJay:

anyone like gentoo?

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Paladine:

torg, debian has different repos to ubuntu

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qfour20:

SeeJay: i love gentoo

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juski:

I used to tolerate gentoo

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H00chster:

gentoo is great if you have a lifetime to compile

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Beirdo:

GIMP will do just fine for some things, but you gotta have Photoshop for sanity

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Paladine:

torg, I svn too, but build-dep saves me a lot of hassles :)

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qfour20:

H00chster: or a fast processor to compile

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SeeJay:

i run gentoo on my linux server

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H00chster:

it is my 2nd favorite dist heh just don't have the time to use it

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|Torg|:

so your telling me ubu uses worse then unstable packages, great antoher reason to avoid it :P

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Beirdo:

and that means Winblows, unfortunately

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juski:

and tbh I only really ever started using linux because I wanted a pvr which works

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SeeJay:

me to

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Beirdo:

Gotta go walk the puppy.... again

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sliverworm:

what is TRULY the EASIEST distro to just install and go?

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juski:

open/closed source I couldn't care less if it works

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juski:

sliverworm: depends totally on the user

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sliverworm:

I've had some success with SuSE

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juski:

for some, knoppmyth

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|Torg|:

for waht sliverworm? wyth? knoppmyth

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juski:

for others, ubuntu (!)

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qfour20:

sliverworm: easiest distro? i would bet mythdora

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H00chster:

Silverworm everyone will agree on diff distro's it is the preference of the user, I prefer Debian.

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sliverworm:

yeah, I actually have that..

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SeeJay:

i just stated linux with mythtv the other day for my first time..

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sliverworm:

knoppmyth , it wouldn't format my HDD

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qfour20:

if you use mythdora, then you can pretty much use jarod's guide line by line

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sliverworm:

but it ran live..

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SeeJay:

buddy of mine at work runs linux on all his machines and is a pro at it ..

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SeeJay:

but.. i only wanted it for mythtv

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SeeJay:

and to learn it

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juski:

I don't really like computers all that much if the truth be told

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Paladine:

I run all my machines on linux, but I am still not a pro :)

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Milosch:

juski: they suck!

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|Torg|:

and sliverworm dont mistake my ribbing Paladine for support for or against ubu

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Paladine:

been using unix and linux for 15 years and still not a pro :)

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juski:

like cars.. money-pits

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|Torg|:

the main reason I dont use ubu is I dont run my myth boxes as my desktop

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SeeJay:

I'm on my laptop at work.. on wi-fi watching my slingbox from my house at work..

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sliverworm:

ok ./configure yieleded no errors.

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H00chster:

not sure you can truly ever be a pro at linux heh, too vast, but you can learn and become very proficient at the things you use on it everyday

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juski:

sliverworm: good :)

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sliverworm:

Creating libs/libmyth/mythconfig.h and libs/libmyth/mythconfig.mak

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SeeJay:

anyone use slingplayer?

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sliverworm:

lol it gave a spit out of video support

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Paladine:

sliverworm, mythtv is very easy to build in edgy

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juski:

hell I don't even believe in wireless yet :)

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Paladine:

shouldn't have any issues at all if you do build-dep first

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SeeJay:

:(

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qfour20:

juski: wireless exists!

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sliverworm:

Wireless is fun in an apt complex.. :)

[22:25:38]

SeeJay:

ya

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SeeJay:

i wardrive all the time

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sliverworm:

who doesn't.

[22:25:47]

SeeJay:

wast of gas tho

[22:25:47]

SeeJay:

lol

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|Torg|:

Paladine is a master of the understatement too :)

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_Defend is now known as defend

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SeeJay:

i have a gps on my laptop and war drive it saves all my hotspots for me

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sliverworm:

now in my mythtv folder I have config.mak

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juski:

anyway here's me thinking all this time that in photoshop I could have a 'blur' layer as an 'adjustment layer'... hahahaha

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sliverworm:

i have run ./configure

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Paladine:

torg, I was really impressed with edgy for mythtv deps

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BULLE:

SeeJay: i would just use my mobile phone for that

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SeeJay:

psp with wireless

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Paladine:

also the ivtv package for edgy is superb

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Gordon87:

anyone know of a widget to let me manually switch between lnbs via diseqc ?

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|Torg|:

I use a GSM card in mine and I dont have to seach for hotspots

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juski:

paintshop pro, not playstation thingy

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|Torg|:

yes Paladine but remember I dont use repos :)

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|Torg|:

well other then for my normal debian stuff

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** juski watches folks retreat from his themes in droves because they're not drawn in OSS apps **

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Paladine:

torg, I svn'd myth, I repod for ivtv

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sliverworm:

so after I did the ./config I typed make (enter) its going crazy

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H00chster:

heh not me juski, too perty

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|Torg|:

juski just make it green

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Paladine:

sliver, it is building

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** jams hands |Torg| some green tinted glasses **

[22:28:18]

Paladine:

all that stuff you see is the debug for the compile

[22:28:19]

SeeJay:

wireless at work is awsome tho

[22:28:20]

juski:

if there was a way to make a gaussian blur effect on a layer I'd love it

[22:28:37]

sliverworm:

after its done, I will make install

[22:28:37]

sliverworm:

right?

[22:28:43]

Paladine:

no

[22:28:46]

sliverworm:

oh

[22:28:51]

Paladine:

sudo make install

[22:29:03]

sliverworm:

what is the diffrence, the permssions?

[22:29:04]

|Torg|:

acauly juski did make a green snampshot it looked ok, I really prefer the blue

[22:29:12]

|Torg|:

altho I want them to be animated :)

[22:29:15]

Paladine:

you don't need sudo for the make command

[22:29:20]

Paladine:

but you do for make install

[22:29:21]

juski:

I made a pink version just for laughs be damned

[22:29:52]

juski:

after seeing the mediaportal demo videos today I've decided I'd really like mythtv's gui to be animated some more

[22:29:56]

sliverworm:

ok then.

[22:30:12]

Paladine:

sliver, yeah it is for permissions

[22:30:28]

sliverworm:

I wish I could get this stuff scrolling as my background so when people walk by it looks like I'am doing something productive.

[22:31:11]

juski:

sliverworm: just get a rear view mirror for your monitor

[22:31:25]

juski:

one of the workshy CAD techs at work has one

[22:31:30]

sliverworm:

I got some, coke bottle glasses. :)

[22:31:31]

|Torg|:

root@boaz:/etc/X11# w

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|Torg|:

16:32:05 up 1 day, 41 min, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

[22:31:37]

|Torg|:

thats really uselfull :)

[22:32:10]

sliverworm:

so right now, all this stuff scrolling is what programs do when you install in winders?

[22:32:26]

juski:

compiling? I doubt it somehow

[22:32:27]

sliverworm:

only in winders you just see a blue bar of death going across.

[22:32:35]

qfour20:

sliverworm: not quite

[22:32:36]

sliverworm:

oh, ok.. I dunno then.

[22:32:40]

qfour20:

it's compiling first

[22:32:40]

SeeJay:

16:34:13 up 7:06, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

[22:32:51]

juski:

copy file.. sleep 400.. copy another file.. sleep 400

[22:32:57]

qfour20:

wait... n/m... you already compiled

[22:33:02]

sliverworm:

so its , getting all the commands in line preparing to install.

[22:33:21]

juski:

right now I'd guess it's still compiling

[22:33:30]

sliverworm:

you are correct.

[22:33:45]

juski:

make install actually does file copies & suchlike

[22:34:00]

juski:

which is why it needs to be done in a rooty ;)

[22:34:07]

sliverworm:

I see.

[22:34:26]

sliverworm:

Raise you're hand if you <3 the internet!

[22:34:33]

SeeJay:

lol

[22:34:38]

sliverworm:

**Raises hands**

[22:34:39]

juski:

unless you're in the unfortunate position of having normal users with write access to the binary dirs etc

[22:34:41]

BULLE:

o/

[22:34:53]

SeeJay:

I loged onto the internet the first time with a 300 baud modem..

[22:35:01]

SeeJay:

in "90

[22:35:06]

sliverworm:

I'd be broke like a hobo with a sign that says.. will network for food!

[22:35:13]

SeeJay:

lol

[22:35:17]

SeeJay:

thats awsome

[22:35:45]

sliverworm:

thats not a bad idea.. there are tons of rich people up north too.. they got all this stuff and don't know what to do with it..

[22:35:58]

SeeJay:

i wish i had a T1

[22:35:59]

SeeJay:

lol

[22:36:03]

juski:

before ubuntu did anybody even use the word 'awesome' in normal conversation? or at least as often...

[22:36:08]

SeeJay:

will work for bandwith

[22:36:23]

sliverworm:

lol @ SeeJay

[22:36:31]

** SeeJay thinks ... **

[22:36:48]

juski:

will make more kick-ass themes in exchange for more kick-ass code :)

[22:36:59]

juski:

fair deal ;)

[22:37:02]

SeeJay:

what kind of themes

[22:37:14]

juski:

www.juski.co.uk kind of themes

[22:37:16]

|Torg|:

juski makes HD themes

[22:37:17]

SeeJay:

I'm so new to linux its unreal... i just got it installed

[22:37:24]

|Torg|:

and they suck

[22:37:36]

juski:

they're not HD themes in my house

[22:37:52]

sliverworm:

h:63: warning: ‘class QSqlDriverCreatorBase’ has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor

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|Torg|:

they are in mine

[22:37:52]

sliverworm:

thats the most awesome thing my linux has told me all day!

[22:38:23]

SeeJay:

So where you all from

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|Torg|:

mars

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BULLE:

sliverworm: having non virtual desktructor is in most cases a bad thing

[22:38:32]

sliverworm:

Austin , Texas

[22:38:39]

BULLE:

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qfour20:

SeeJay: dallas tx

[22:38:51]

** SeeJay is in Minneasota .. btw its fucken cold **

[22:38:54]

sliverworm:

oh man, I hope this is not one of thoes cases.

[22:39:00]

BULLE:

SeeJay: no its not

[22:39:25]

jmblack:

is their a way to tell ivtv to not record the first few lines of the video stream? It appears as though their is vbi data or some such when playing it back. Yes, I can adjust my mythtv frontend to not see it (overscan or some such) but that doesnt help me on other PCs that might directly play a video file (tapeworm)

[22:39:29]

SeeJay:

where do i find the commands for the icecast?

[22:39:49]

SeeJay:

i have it running on my server but i have no clue how to use it ... my buddy has not logged online that set up everything for me

[22:39:59]

sliverworm:

so if I were to set up this mythtv box as my DRV in the living room, would I have to get a keyboard and mouse or could I get a sweet remote?

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jmblack:

sliverworm, remote =)

[22:40:38]

sliverworm:

what kind would you suggest?

[22:40:40]

BULLE:

sliverworm: remote

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qfour20:

sliverworm: sweet remote is good, but always keep kb/mouse around

[22:40:54]

BULLE:

sliverworm: well, you can use keyboard and mouse if you realy want, but a remote is handier, in most peoples view

[22:40:57]

qfour20:

personally, i love my logitech harmony 880

[22:41:02]

qfour20:

pricey, but worth every penny

[22:41:04]

SeeJay:

that is my next toy

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timo:

i was wondering if any one can get the mce remote to work, and how they configured lirc

[22:41:08]

SeeJay:

the logitech harmony

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BULLE:

timo: yes

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|Torg|:

I love my wiress KB :)

[22:41:19]

BULLE:

timo: and its on the mythtv wiki

[22:41:26]

sliverworm:

How would it interface with the computer though?

[22:41:32]

|Torg|:

lirc]

[22:41:34]

sliverworm:

I do not have IR or bluetooth..

[22:41:46]

BULLE:

sliverworm: if you buy a mce remote, you get an usb ir receiver aswell

[22:41:52]

Milosch:

tada!

[22:41:55]

sliverworm:

ah

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qfour20:

juski: i like your themes a lot. Grayhem particularly. good work.

[22:42:11]

H00chster:

I have a Harmony 890, love it, but do want the new harmony that is touchscreen heh

[22:42:27]

sliverworm:

this linux box has like 500hp , I got racing stickers all over it

[22:42:28]

qfour20:

H00chster: touchscreen harmony?? oh no!

[22:42:36]

timo:

BULLE: can you post it

[22:42:39]

juski:

someone besides me has to like em

[22:42:39]

H00chster:

not using it for myth yet though, I let the family have my mce remote/blaster for the remote frontend, so using web remote currently lol

[22:42:43]

juski:

but thanks :)

[22:42:44]

H00chster:

gotta get me more blasters heh

[22:42:46]

BULLE:

timo: post what ?

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Milosch:

i want voice command and feedback, damnit

[22:42:53]

H00chster:

yup qfour20, looks oversized heh but cool lol

[22:42:57]

Milosch:

channel 42, please

[22:42:58]

sliverworm:

I got voice command.

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timo:

BULLE: like to the lirc wikki

[22:43:02]

Milosch:

yes sir, right away

[22:43:05]

sliverworm:

a girlfriend.

[22:43:08]

BULLE:

timo: no, not lirc wiki, mythtv wiki

[22:43:08]

H00chster:

of coure very pricey as well

[22:43:09]

sliverworm:

;)

[22:43:13]

juski:

voice command.. isn't that why people have kids?

[22:43:25]

|Torg|:

juski indeed

[22:43:25]

sliverworm:

its just like microsoft's , likes to not do what I ask of it

[22:43:28]

BULLE:

timo: www.mythtv.org and then click on wiki

[22:43:31]

timo:

BULLE: how did you install the lirc 0.8.0 its wont install here

[22:43:45]

H00chster:

timo I use cvs, but should be the same principle

[22:43:47]

BULLE:

timo: i just used premade packages for my linux distribution

[22:43:56]

sliverworm:

how long does this thing take to compile..

[22:43:58]

BULLE:

timo: it was a simple matter of just typing "yum install lirc"

[22:44:06]

BULLE:

timo: then copying the config files and i was set

[22:44:08]

|Torg|:

I like my keyboard it took all of 0 seconds to set up lirc

[22:44:09]

H00chster:

silverworm? myth? heh depends on the cpu but a long time lol

[22:44:11]

juski:

sliverworm: how long is a piece of string?

[22:44:25]

sliverworm:

bout the size of my arm..

[22:44:30]

juski:

heh

[22:44:40]

juski:

on an epia 1ghz.. about 4 hours

[22:44:44]

sliverworm:

I got a P4 2.53 w/ 1GB PC3200

[22:44:47]

timo:

BULLE: ok thnaks

[22:45:18]

sliverworm:

it keeps saying the bad thing, no destructor thingy..

[22:45:30]

BULLE:

sliverworm: well, its just a warning, right ?

[22:45:35]

sliverworm:

sure is

[22:45:50]

BULLE:

sliverworm: so just hope that whoever wrote that code, knows they want it that way

[22:45:56]

qfour20:

like elsewhere in life, i ignore warnings while compiling

[22:45:57]

juski:

oh gawd. now someone on the -dev list is claiming hardware encoders suck. somebody stop this madness

[22:45:57]

jmblack:

hrm. attempting to google "ivtv lines at the top of video" doesnt exactly find me the info I want to find. Anyone have a more technical term for what Im looking for? :P

[22:46:15]

sliverworm:

well , I got this code from mythtv.org

[22:46:20]

BULLE:

qfour20: but having non virtual destructor is imho a warning that you realy should look into

[22:46:30]

juski:

sliverworm: you're compiling the base 0.20 source?! arhhhhhH!

[22:46:38]

sliverworm:

lol

[22:46:38]

** qfour20 throws caution to the wind, then pisses into it **

[22:46:46]

sliverworm:

this is not awesome anymore.

[22:46:48]

juski:

be better off with 0.20-fixes branch checked out of subversion

[22:47:17]

sliverworm:

I am going to cross my fingers and kiss my ass in hopes that this thing works

[22:47:20]

juski:

0.20 will work, but won't include any of the juicy bugfixes

[22:47:46]

juski:

maybe none of the bugs fixed would affect you, but ymmv ;)

[22:47:49]

Paladine:

what's L mean in recording schedule?

[22:48:04]

sliverworm:

Lame movie.

[22:48:10]

juski:

Paladine: in what? upcoming recordings?

[22:48:15]

Paladine:

yeah

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juski:

no idea

[22:48:30]

juski:

oh wait.. 'will be recorded later' IIRC

[22:48:32]

sliverworm:

maybe it means bug.

[22:48:38]

sliverworm:

there you go.

[22:48:44]

juski:

a later showing of the show will be recorded instead

[22:48:58]

juski:

conversely, E means an earlier showing was recorded

[22:49:32]

sliverworm:

so will I be able to stream video and audio with this mythtv , or will I have to use VLC for that?

[22:49:37]

Paladine:

oh I see, it is a conflict but because I have it set to record on the rerun it recognises it?

[22:49:44]

juski:

saw a worky MCE box over a vnc session today. I really like their program finder thing. shall I just stop blaspheming now?

[22:49:50]

BULLE:

sliverworm: you can have frontend running on different machine from the backend

[22:49:56]

jmblack:

anyone else using ivtv to record and notice the 'data' at the top of the vidoe stream? its like 5 lines of static. I assume that ivtv allows that to be trimmed? I havent yet found the right term for it though so googling is rough ;(

[22:50:05]

BULLE:

juski: nope

[22:50:13]

BULLE:

juski: i think its very ok to like some of the features

[22:50:14]

sliverworm:

ok then, cool.

[22:50:22]

Milosch:

jmblack: that's probably the vertical interval or vits

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Milosch:

although i don't recall seeing it on my card

[22:50:41]

juski:

apparently tivo does the same kind of thing... search shows by first few letters & it dynamically updates a list

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juski:

someone has been talking about implementing this in myth I think

[22:51:08]

BULLE:

juski: i just use the program finder thingy, it just goes for first letter, but its still pretty ok imho

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juski:

yeah I don't use the grid based guide either

[22:51:28]

juski:

not with over 150 channels ;)

[22:51:31]

sliverworm:

somebody should mod a TiVo to run myth

[22:51:32]

BULLE:

hehe

[22:51:41]

BULLE:

juski: one wish for the future might be channel groups

[22:51:44]

Milosch:

mythweb is the wtg there, imo

[22:51:45]

juski:

sliverworm: it's amazingly under-specced

[22:51:54]

tim1:

hi , i used synaptic to install lirc , do i still have to install lirc_mceusb2

[22:51:55]

sliverworm:

myth or tivo?

[22:51:57]

BULLE:

juski: so you can put your favourite channels, in a group, and have them displayed per default, and then set others

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BULLE:

sliverworm: tivo

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SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: hey

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juski:

BULLE: you can already do that I think

[22:52:17]

Milosch:

tim1: probably

[22:52:23]

juski:

apart from the 'others' bit

[22:52:29]

H00chster:

anyone know a good source for debian packages so that myth svn trunk can be installed?

[22:52:31]

sliverworm:

bulle: well maybe some of the new ones won't be.

[22:52:32]

SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: the firewire primer scripts hehe

[22:52:34]

BULLE:

juski: ye, i would want to change groups easily

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H00chster:

on an xbox that is sorry

[22:52:38]

** SlicerDicer- is cracking up at them fryfrog **

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SlicerDicer-:

they are so overly complex :)

[22:52:58]

SeeJay:

anyone use mythweb with ther moddded xbox

[22:53:06]

SeeJay:

i ment mythtv

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psofa:

jmblack, you mean overscan?

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juski:

SeeJay: I've tried it. it sucks, big style, but it's better than nothing

[22:53:30]

H00chster:

SeeJay have attempted, but being as I use svn trunk the packages for the 2.4 kernel are way out of date so it has been tough

[22:53:38]

juski:

linux with X on 32MB RAM.. oof!

[22:53:39]

H00chster:

but as juski says it is pretty bad

[22:53:45]

SeeJay:

Do yo connect thru the Upnp?

[22:53:55]

H00chster:

it took literally 24 hours almost well maybe 12 to compile myth alone heh

[22:54:02]

juski:

SeeJay: XBMC with xbmcmythtv python scripts is much better

[22:54:03]

jmblack:

psofa, yes. I have my tv set to overscan to hide the 'crap' at the top of the video. Id like to instead eliminate that on the recording side if at all possible

[22:54:14]

juski:

jmblack: no point in doing that

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jmblack:

no point in eliminating it on the recording side or no point in overscan?

[22:54:33]

juski:

the 'crap' is always there, and the broadcasters never expect anybody to even see it

[22:54:37]

SeeJay:

juski – i should try that one

[22:54:44]

jmblack:

k

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jmblack:

well

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SeeJay:

where do you get xbmcmythtv

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juski:

SeeJay: sourceforge IIRC

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SeeJay:

thanks

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juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xbox_Frontend

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juski:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/xbmcmythtv/

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jmblack:

if I use something other than myth to playback to the video I have to see the crap. no biggie I guess but still ugly (like tapeworm)

[22:56:02]

juski:

jmblack: vlc with a crop filter maybe?

[22:56:27]

hatlevip:

myth has a crop filter

[22:56:31]

hatlevip:

doesn't it?

[22:56:40]

sliverworm:

wait a second, we can install mythtv on our xbox..

[22:56:41]

jmblack:

k, I'll look at solving it on the playback side. I originally thought the recording side would be easier. oh well

[22:56:51]

juski:

any app written in .net or visual *anything* looks ugly though doesn't it?

[22:56:54]

juski:

;)

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SeeJay:

juski – does xbmcmythtv play live tv with mythtv? on the screenshot it looks like it does

[22:57:21]

sliverworm:

I wish there was a little bar going across so I knew how far it was..

[22:57:28]

jmblack:

juski, yeah, I suppose. but mythweb works well for streaming now

[22:57:40]

juski:

SeeJay: last time i tried it it didn't work very well for live tv, but that was way before 0.19 even

[22:57:55]

SeeJay:

thanks.. i'm going to try it .. :)

[22:57:58]

SeeJay:

thanks alot

[22:58:04]

psofa:

jmblack, you can apply the overscan either as a tvout option or as a myth option afaik

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juski:

you'll need XBMC installed first

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SeeJay:

i have it installed already

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SeeJay:

on my xbox

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juski:

don't ask me where to get that.. it finds its way out though various means

[22:58:31]

jmblack:

overscan can be done on the recording side!?!?

[22:58:36]

juski:

jmblack: nope

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jmblack:

I didnt think so

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psofa:

if you mean cropping the actual mpeg then no

[22:59:06]

juski:

psofa: not much use if he's playing the files outside of mythtv ;)

[22:59:16]

jmblack:

yeah, sry for the noise

[22:59:34]

psofa:

ah

[22:59:35]

jmblack:

In my defence I was using mythweb to stream :P

[22:59:41]

Paladine:

shush T2 just started :p

[22:59:42]

juski:

yeah yeah

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Paladine:

al this backgroundnoise, I can't concentrate

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juski:

speaking of signal-to-noise ratios... I'm outta here

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juski:

g'night

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Paladine:

night juski

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x86:

what's the setting in the database that controls the playback aspect ratio?

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SlicerDicer-:

wow xris you herE?

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timo:

can any one help, modprobe lirc_mceusb2 dose not work

[23:07:29]

timo:

im trying to get my mce remote to work

[23:08:19]

kormoc:

the output of?

[23:09:05]

|Torg|:

wow distcc runs allot faster when you start it on the remote hosts

[23:09:11]

sliverworm:

hey

[23:09:20]

Milosch:

|Torg|: :)

[23:09:23]

sliverworm:

I just did the sudo make install , how exactly can I run the program now?!

[23:09:24]

sliverworm:

lol

[23:09:33]

sliverworm:

I was hoping to have a nice pretty icon..

[23:09:38]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: have you seen the firewire changes?

[23:09:39]

Milosch:

depends on which program

[23:09:46]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: GUID YAY!!!!!!!!!!!

[23:09:47]

sliverworm:

mythtv

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kormoc:

sliverworm, it's not a single program...

[23:10:21]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, nice

[23:10:27]

sliverworm:

great.

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: indeed

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kormoc:

timo, what's the output of your thing

[23:10:52]

kormoc:

sliverworm, you need to read the docs on myth's website it goes over your next steps

[23:10:56]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: I am reading through it to see if changes were done that I know needed to be done to stop the total screwup on recording :)

[23:11:00]

sliverworm:

doin it thanks.

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: however I dont know if that applies with GUID

[23:13:51]

SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog or xris either of you here?

[23:16:55]

timo:

kormoc: things are starting to go smooth , can i give you a shout when progress stops

[23:19:36]

timo:

help it says LIRC IS NOT CONFIGURED ,when i just configured it

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timo:

:-$

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Milosch:

you have money in your mouth?

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timo:

no just confused Milosch

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kormoc:

what says that?

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timo:

what ?

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timo:

ohh

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kormoc:

what says "LIRC IS NOT CONFIGURED"

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timo:

this is what i did ,sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart

[23:22:36]

timo:

then it says ,Stopping lirc daemon: lircmd lircd.

[23:22:40]

kormoc:

did you edit /etc/conf.d/lirc or /etc/conf.d/lircd or /etc/lirc.conf or /etc/lircd.conf ?

[23:23:28]

timo:

please hold on

[23:24:33]

timo:

lircd.conf

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timo:

lircd.conf.mceusb

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timo:

http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/mceusb/lircd.conf.mceusb

[23:25:54]

kormoc:

you need to rename it to lircd.conf

[23:26:06]

timo:

thats the configure for the mce

[23:26:24]

kormoc:

yes, you need to rename it and put it in /etc/lircd.conf

[23:27:51]

timo:

how do i get to this file to rename it ? kormoc

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Milosch:

?

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timo:

ok i see /etc/lird

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kormoc:

timo, you download it

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Milosch:

there are professionals losing money over this ;)

[23:28:55]

timo:

sudo gedit /etc/lircd.conf

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timo:

shows me the file

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timo:

lircd.conf

[23:31:06]

timo:

you need to rename it and put it in /etc/lircd.conf , that waht i have done

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timo:

still there ?

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timo:

are you :-$

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** |Torg| thinks we should setup a pay-by-hour mythtv setup service **

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timo:

good idea

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timo:

that way i would go to sleep a happy man

[23:34:20]

timo:

not stressed and kicking my self :-/

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Milosch:

|Torg|: oh yeah

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Milosch:

ssh to timo's machine and fix it

[23:37:34]

Milosch:

for $200/hr

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Milosch:

4 hr min

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SlicerDicer-:

holy crap kormoc

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timo:

Milosch: hurry up

[23:38:16]

SlicerDicer-:

my gigabit is going at 62MB/s HAHAH!

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Milosch:

SlicerDicer-: sweet

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timo:

:)

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah it rawks

[23:38:48]

SlicerDicer-:

raid5 ftw!

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Milosch:

pardon, ftw?

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SlicerDicer-:

for the win

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SlicerDicer-:

;-)

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timo:

plesae fix my /etc/lirc for me :-D

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Milosch:

is that anything like move all zig for great justice?

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robbins876:

I have a mythbox running in my living room... in the movies area where you can check out all of your movies with descriptions and what not, I have no movie posters

[23:39:52]

robbins876:

but on my backend, that i'm currently on, i do

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SlicerDicer-:

Milosch: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ftw

[23:40:01]

robbins876:

i imagine i have to share that file somewhere, correct?

[23:40:13]

SlicerDicer-:

lol Milosch for great justice

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SlicerDicer-:

all your base are belong to RAID5!

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SlicerDicer-:

;-)

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Milosch:

heh

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Milosch:

what you saying?

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robbins876:

anyone know?

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Milosch:

robbins876: the posters are usually in the backend user's home dir, ime

[23:41:11]

robbins876:

i have the movies folder shared via CIFS, but i don't remember how i set that up

[23:41:31]

robbins876:

Milosch: so will i be able to share those photos?

[23:41:47]

Milosch:

i wish i could, haven't tried to figure that out yet

[23:42:07]

robbins876:

alright

[23:42:16]

Milosch:

tis unfortunate

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Milosch:

check the configs available...

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robbins876:

how about this... i have to load some command in terminal everytime i boot up the little mythbox to get my videos shared

[23:42:40]

robbins876:

is there a way to make it do that automatically at boot?

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Milosch:

robbins876: might be better to use nfs

[23:43:03]

robbins876:

alright, cause like i said, i'm using cifs right now

[23:43:06]

Milosch:

then you share via /etc/exports and mount via fstab

[23:43:23]

robbins876:

wouldn't it work the same for cifs?

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Milosch:

need portmap and nfs-kernel-server or so

[23:43:36]

timo:

milosch when can you shh

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Milosch:

the trick with cifs/samba would be the user/pass, i think

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robbins876:

alright

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Milosch:

since nfs is available i don't bother

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GreyFoxx:

pass them as options in tyhe fstab

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Milosch:

GreyFoxx: ick, but i guess it would work

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robbins876:

Grey: so i want to mount the cifs file permenantly, correct?

[23:45:33]

GreyFoxx:

well, I wont tell you what you want to do

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Milosch:

timo: probably tomorrow (US) because i am currently celebrating a bit

[23:45:50]

H00chster:

is there a way to compile a backend without compiling the frontend? don't see a configure option for disabling the frontend when I do ./configure --help

[23:46:06]

robbins876:

GreyFoxx: how do i go about putting the perm mount into fstab? i've never done that before

[23:46:39]

timo:

Milosch: who alse can i trust here ?

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kormoc:

H00chster, it's unsupported and if it breaks, you won't get support, but there is a flag

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robbins876:

just add the "mount cifs" command to the fstab?

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GreyFoxx:

robbins876: A line similar to

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Milosch:

timo: man, who knows ;)

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GreyFoxx:

//111.222.333.444/MusicVideos /hdd/3/video/MusicVideos/ smbfs noauto,uid=99,gid=99,username=XXX,password=YYYYY 0 0

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robbins876:

alright

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H00chster:

kormoc, just out of curiosity, why unsupported, shouldn't you be able to configure a backend only, if that is it's sole purpose?

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timo:

i only have one file to sort out /etc/lirc

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Milosch:

timo: all i can say is that I am a professional consultant, i'm sure other's here are

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robbins876:

so pretty much what you'd type into terminal to get the share mounted the same way then

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kormoc:

H00chster, they share the same base, so it only saves you around 1.5 megs of disk space and almost no compile time

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GreyFoxx:

robbins876: The same options

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robbins876:

alright, i'm going to go try that

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GreyFoxx:

cept ignore the "noauto" bit. That tells it to not auto mount

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H00chster:

understand that, but to do the frontend it is wanting some x11 libraries, and wasn't going to install x, but guess I will, was just trying to avoid it

[23:48:30]

H00chster:

thank you for the input though

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GreyFoxx:

H00chster: the backend/frontend only stuff is intended ONLY for portability stuff

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GreyFoxx:

and myth uses qt (even the backend) and qt will require x libs

[23:49:10]

kormoc:

H00chster, the backend requires X libs too

[23:49:29]

H00chster:

k greyfoxx, that's basically what I was needing to know. thanks to the both of u

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GreyFoxx:

and mythtv-setup runs on the backend, and it's an X app

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timo:

Milosch: im going to try and do it myself cant grantee things will be fixable tomorrow :)

[23:49:41]

H00chster:

true

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H00chster:

didn't think bout that heh

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H00chster:

thanks again

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Milosch:

timo: bon chance

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SlicerDicer-:

blah! kormoc my vsftp keeps crashing :/

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timo:

what dose FATAL: Module lirc_mceusb2 not found. mean

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GreyFoxx:

precisely what it says ?

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timo:

thami@Xerox:/usr/src/lirc-0.8.0$ sudo modprobe lirc_mceusb2

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timo:

can i post it all

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kormoc:

did you make install?

[23:55:14]

timo:

yeh

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timo:

./setup.sh

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Milosch:

i think he installed lirc via synaptic

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timo:

make

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timo:

makeinstall

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timo:

Milosch: yeh should i remove it

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timo:

then reboot

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Milosch:

?

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timo:

sorry , what do you want to know

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Milosch:

probably download and compile that, there are options for specific drivers

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Milosch:

and get the latest

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timo:

Milosch:thats what i have done

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timo:

i installed the specifick drivers for my mce remote

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Milosch:

ok, note the configure options for a specific driver

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Milosch:

however, it doesn't work, what about depmod -a

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timo:

so were do i apply the depmod -a

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william:

hello

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kormoc:

apply it? what do you mean apply it?

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Milosch:

just type it and note any errors

[23:58:34]

william:

can anyone help me with a mythtv install?

[23:58:35]

Milosch:

do you have kernel source and/or headers installed for your current kernel?

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timo:

sudo depmod -a

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timo:

?

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timo:

william: i will help you ,just wait

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william:

ty

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timo:

~$ depmod -a

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timo:

FATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/modules.dep.temp for writing: Permission denied

[23:59:52]

kormoc:

william, just ask your question, you don't need to wait

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