Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, January 23rd, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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Eradan:

|Torg| Any pointers ?... i've followed everything i've found ... to no avail :( ...

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Eradan:

got a .asound as an example :P

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|Torg|:

for my card, yes

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|Torg|:

you need to know what hardware card you ahve what dsps it uses and what output is tied to what dsp

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Eradan:

I've identified the spdif port

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linxeh:

Hi – I'm trying to get a mythtv box working using a Nova-T USB2 SE stick – I've got the drivers built from the v4l source, but when I load the firmware it registers the driver, finds the stick, but then says "dvb-usb: no frontend was attached by 'Hauppauge Nova-T Stick'"

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linxeh:

any suggestions for what to do next ?

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Agrajag-:

try #linuxtv ?

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linxeh:

ok, apologies for the wrong channel

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linxeh:

one other question – how much CPU does a backend use just for recording ? is it feasable to run a frontend and slave backend on a mac mini ppc ?

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stuarta:

don't think the backend has been finished on the mac yet.

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kormoc:

linxeh, depends on the capture card, your capture settings, and any extra options you enable

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stuarta:

other than that, i'll let you know in a few weeks :)

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linxeh:

stuarta: I'm running linux on it

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stuarta:

well then it's just a PC

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Agrajag-:

if you're donig dvb it doesn't use much cpu at all for recording

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linxeh:

stuarta: uhuh... that doesnt change the question though, is it feasable on such a low performance box ? :)

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Agrajag-:

oh wait i read your initial thing wrong, i thought you said it's a dvb stick

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Agrajag-:

sorry

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linxeh:

it is a dvb-t usb2 stick

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stuarta:

well my main frontend use 0.3–0.7% cpu for dvb recording

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stuarta:

it should work okay on a mini mac

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linxeh:

and the frontend has the tuner ?

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stuarta:

no backend

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linxeh:

thats what I mean, I was wondering if it is possible to run a frontend as well as a slave backend on the same mac mini

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linxeh:

ie frontend box has a tuner on it as well as the main backend

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Agrajag-:

linxeh: oh right. i can't read at all.. nevermind me :P

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linxeh:

:)

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stuarta:

can't see why not

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linxeh:

I've got cabling issues at the moment, need to investigate how to get either a cat6 cable to the loft, or a coax cable from the aerial into the office

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linxeh:

stuarta: what kind of cpu does the backend use when recording ?

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kormoc:

linxeh, you can have the backend and frontend running on the same box

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stuarta:

not much for dvb, it's only bitbanging

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linxeh:

kormoc: I realise that. the macmini has a really naff cpu, so my concern is whether its capable

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kormoc:

linxeh, your main concern should be playback. Do you have XV enabled video card drivers?

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linxeh:

stuarta: cool, and then I could record over NFS to a bigger machine which can do transcoding

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linxeh:

kormoc: heh not even checked that yet ;)

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** stuarta wonders how to get ssh running on his mac mini **

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x86:

stuarta: login as root and run "sshd"

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x86:

;)

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x86:

you'll have to enable the root account first, however

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stuarta:

it's OSX an i've been using it for 2hrs :)

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stuarta:

s/using/updating

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x86:

yeah, enable the root account... i'm fairly sure all i had to do was open up Terminal.app from a user account with administrator privileges, and type "passwd root"

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x86:

after setting a password for the account it should work, in theory

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linxeh:

you enable SSH in the networking control pabel

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linxeh:

panel

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** stuarta looks for Terminal.app **

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linxeh:

stuarta: dont do it that way

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x86:

linxeh: yeah if you want it to start automatically each boot, sure

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linxeh:

you just need to enable "allow remote users to log into this computer"

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linxeh:

I assumed thats what he wanted :p

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** stuarta pokes around in the settings **

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x86:

:p

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x86:

stuarta: but do enable the root account... it's helpful for many things

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slowone:

or dont and use sudo like your suppost to...

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** stuarta throws sudo out the window to those who can't admin machines **

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x86:

stuarta++

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linxeh:

sudo -H -s

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linxeh:

and keep your audit trail

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x86:

sudo /bin/bash maybe ;)

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linxeh:

sudo -H -s

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** stuarta discovers 1280x1024 :) **

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stuarta:

it does a damn good job of hiding the admin account

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slowone:

you two arnt being good mac users *sigh*

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slowone:

;p

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slowone:

jobs might fall over dead

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** stuarta fails to find the network control panel option for ssh **

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slowone:

services tab or shareing tab depending on version of osx

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slowone:

not in network itself

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stuarta:

just discoverd it under sharing...

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linxeh:

slowone: which two ?

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slowone:

huh?

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obgynot:

my mythfrontend is very slow... just the menu system, not the video playback... ideas?

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linxeh:

00:36 <slowone> you two arnt being good mac users *sigh*

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obgynot:

it's snappier on my 233MHz laptop than the 1.6GHz desktop

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slowone:

oh i was just jokeing... cause osx is trying to be freindly and hide stuff from ya

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linxeh:

ah :)

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stuarta:

what's that command line tool to install stuff like svn?

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obgynot:

apt-get install svn

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slowone:

stuarta: start with http://curl.haxx.se/

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stuarta:

that's debian not OSX!

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stuarta:

thx

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alsoconfused:

obgynot: are you using the openGL screen painter, or plain qt? have you tried the other?

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obgynot:

alsoconfused – is that in mythsetup or mythfrontend?

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banyan:

Hey all... anyone using a pvr-350 in playback mode with ivtv 0.9.1?

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banyan:

Mine doesn't generate TV output on the S-video out.

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obgynot:

alsoconfused: the setup program is using the qt painter

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slowone:

stuarta: should also install the dev tools from your install cd-set... they usually arent isntalled per default.. kinda nice to have

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banyan:

though I do get audio playback from the card.

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obgynot:

alsoconfused: definitely the qt painter, and G.A.N.T., "switching to square mode (G.A.N.T.)"... I'll go change it

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stuarta:

slowone: downloaded the entire dev set already

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RacerX2oo3:

Anyone know if you can use mythstream to watch shows on CBS "InnerTube"

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banyan:

I can play back a movie in myth and hear stuff but I don't see stuff.

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obgynot:

I switched to openGL and it's much much slower than Qt

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obgynot:

it seems to be cross-fading all the menus, at about 30 seconds each

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obgynot:

X has 100% cpu

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RacerX2oo3:

What kard in the system?

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obgynot:

once I get into a menu, it's fast

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obgynot:

I can't remember... I'll go look

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alsoconfused:

obgynot: is X hogging CPU in qt mode?

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banyan:

and is this without any playback?

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obgynot:

not as bad

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obgynot:

right, playback is fine

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obgynot:

and the sub-menus are fine, but the pretty theme menus are sluggish under Qt, and horribly slow with OpenGL

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alsoconfused:

what's the cpu usage during playback?

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obgynot:

I do have the standard video drivers though, not any vendor-specific... can't remember the vendor at the moment

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RacerX2oo3:

Nvidia??? ATI????

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obgynot:

I think nvidia

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obgynot:

doesn't seem to be in the dmesg?

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RacerX2oo3:

The slow OpenGL sounds like the drivers aren't supporting OGL properly. Don't know about QT. Not sure how you can check the video drivers

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fysa:

I'm getting exceptions.

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slowone:

obgynot: 'lspci |grep nVidia'

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fysa:

HttpStatus::ProcessRequest() – Unexpected Exception

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obgynot:

I don't seem to have lspci... I'm running SUSE 10.1

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alsoconfused:

is /sbin in your PATH?

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fysa:

try /sbin/lspci -vv | grep nVidia

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obgynot:

I tried locate lspci, and it didn't find it... it is indeed in /sbin

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obgynot:

I'm actually not a dumbass

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obgynot:

NVidia GeForce2 MX 100 DDR/200 DDR

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fysa:

we'll be the judge ;)

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obgynot:

heh

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fysa:

:)

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obgynot:

I'll go get the nvidia-specific drivers

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alsoconfused:

banyan: any luck with the -350? and btw, is banyan a tree or a network?

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banyan:

both.

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banyan:

I am referring to the tree. :-)

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banyan:

Thus far, I haven't had luck.

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alsoconfused:

i've never used a -350, but i see that v4l-ctl has -N and -O options for adjusting video outputs

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banyan:

I can 'listen' to live TV, and I can hear recordings but I get no video.

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banyan:

The ivtv module used to load up correctly and give me a brief green flash on the screen. now, it does nothing.

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alsoconfused:

banyan: do you have ivtvctl or v4l2-ctl?

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stuarta:

ahah! fink is the program i've been trying to remember the name of

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banyan:

Probably I have both.

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alsoconfused:

did you try the -N option?

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slushpupie:

I have a bt878 card, and I cant seem to get sound to work- anyone have some suggestions to try?

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alsoconfused:

did you connect the audio cable?

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xris:

slushpupie: how is your sound connected?

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obgynot:

I found a command once that turned up the sound output of a pvr-500

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obgynot:

it was the sound from the capture card that wasn't getting into the mpg for me

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slushpupie:

xris: internal connector to the "CD IN" on the soundcard

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DIrEctQL:

hey, i have DTV card and i can't get it to work

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slushpupie:

xris: I verified that that port works and the volume is all the way up

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DIrEctQL:

it doesn't want to find any channels

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DIrEctQL:

hmm

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DIrEctQL:

actually

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DIrEctQL:

now it's finding some

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DIrEctQL:

strange

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alsoconfused:

slushpupie: is it tuning a channel clearly?

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slushpupie:

alsoconfused: yes, I get all my channels clearly

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alsoconfused:

slushpupie: is this a new installation, or did it used to work?

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slushpupie:

I have a second one, it does the same thing

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slushpupie:

its the old STB/Gateway card (card=40)

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xris:

slushpupie: never heard of a tuner card with an internal connector.

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xris:

can you verify that you're getting sound from the card?

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alsoconfused:

xris: yeah, i have one of those. i'm trying to remember if there were any sound modules required

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slushpupie:

http://www.bttv-gallery.de/STB_bt878_Gateway_6000704.jpg

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xris:

anyway, next step after that is to make sure you have the port set properly for recording. It's covered in some detail in the mythtv documentation.

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slushpupie:

I dont think there is sound coming from the card at all right now- thats that part Im stuck on (just using xawtv to test for now)

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alsoconfused:

slushpupie: try unloading/reloading the bttv module. if that doesn't work, unload bttv and bt878 and reload just bttv.

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alsoconfused:

more info at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=513815

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slushpupie:

alsoconfused: Ive done that, no change

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obgynot:

holy cow... the nvidia drivers + qt are way faster... I'll try opengl

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[R]:

if i wanted to make mythfilldatabase only update one channel in my lineup... i just set the xmltvid to 0 for everyhting but that one channel... right?

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fysa:

obgynot, make sure you check out the "UseEvents" option.

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fysa:

this lets you sync to VBlank without much slow-down

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obgynot:

fysa – which config program is that in?

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fysa:

~/.nvidia-settings-rc

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fysa:

or nvidia-settings/nvidia-config or something to bring it.

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fysa:

er, to bring up the config for your NVidia card.

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obgynot:

thanks, I'll check that out

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fysa:

then you add a UseEvents option to your xorg.conf — google it, you'll see.

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vanquish:

my tv listings don't match up to channels – they are one off. how do i fix?

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vanquish:

anybody?

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vanquish:

anybody?

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vanquish:

bueller?

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vanquish:

man what happened to this channel

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vanquish:

it used to be cool

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vanquish:

now look at it

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china:

CHINA STILL COOL!

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china:

YOU PAY LATER! LATER!

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J-e-f-f-A:

vanquish: Many of the people in this channel are not always available... I am one of many who are always logged in, but not always available to answer questions...

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vanquish:

i see

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J-e-f-f-A:

vanquish: And sorry, I don't know the answer to your question, but I do remember hearing something like that ~1 year ago here or on the message board — You'll probably find your answer with a little googling.

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vanquish:

yeah i usually do that first

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vanquish:

RTFM -> GOOGLE -> IRC -> CRY LIKE A LITTLE GIRL

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

well crying like a little girl is rather uncool, so you've been taking the cool away each time you do it

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J-e-f-f-A:

vanquish: Well, 1 minute of googling "mythtv channel offset" turned up a few pages so far that mention adding some lines to modprobe.conf to 'manually' specify the tuner type to fix channel offset issues.

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J-e-f-f-A:

vanquish: What's your tuner card model/manufacturer?

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degreseven:

when i try to use the internal player on video files i get a bright green stripe across the bottom of the screen. any idea how to fix that?

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alsoconfused:

degreseven: i see that too with some videos.

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kslater:

what sort of video files?

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J-e-f-f-A:

degreseven: That's most likely the video overlay color, and your video isn't filling the screen, so it's showing the overlay in that area. Overlay colors are typically

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J-e-f-f-A:

degreseven: ... Blue, Green or Magenta, but can be set with software normally.

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vanquish:

J-e-f-f-A: pvr-150. the confusing thing is that it was working properly last week.

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vanquish:

J-e-f-f-A: pvr-150 x 2

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J-e-f-f-A:

vanquish: Did you make any system changes at all? (Hardware or software?)

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vanquish:

J-e-f-f-A: recompiled the kernel, but didn't change any config options....

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degreseven:

J-e-f-f-A, so how can i get rid of them alltogether?

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vanquish:

degreseven: xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 1

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vanquish:

will set it to black

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vanquish:

run that command before you start myth

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J-e-f-f-A:

degreseven: I'm not sure how on the internal player (unfortunately)... with mplayer you can specify the colorkey color manually – I've set it to %020202 on another box... but that was external to myth.

[02:06:33]

vanquish:

it won't move the screen, but it will make it disappear

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J-e-f-f-A:

degreseven: hey-- seems like vanquish has the answer... kewl...

[02:07:08]

vanquish:

you need to have xvattr installed

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J-e-f-f-A:

vanquish: Can you still boot the old kernel to see if it's the new kernel or not?

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degreseven:

J-e-f-f-A, vanquish thanks a lot, that was keeping me away from the internal player =)

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vanquish:

degreseven: np

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vanquish:

J-e-f-f-A: oh, let me clarify sorry. the CHANNEL is correct, the LINEUP information is one off

[02:10:12]

vanquish:

like channel 5 is local channel 5, but the INFO says channel 6

[02:11:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

vanquish: Humm... Sounds like either zap2it goofed up, or perhaps mythfilldatabase... I dunno — maybe you need to clearing the listings and re-run the 'full' mythfilldatabase... Humm....

[02:12:02]

vanquish:

interesting

[02:12:06]

vanquish:

how do i clear the listings?

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J-e-f-f-A:

vanquish: I'm sure it can be done with a simple sql command, but I don't know it off the top of my head. I'd have to google a bit, or perhaps somebody will chime in here...

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[R]:

you could try truncateing your program table

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[R]:

and running mythfill again

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vanquish:

mmm well thanks for the idea

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[R]:

if that doesnt work... your xmltvids are wrong in the channel table

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J-e-f-f-A:

vanquish: I did it about 1–1/2 years ago when setting up my first backend a few times... but that was about 18 months ago! ;-)

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vanquish:

[R]: i use zap2it

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[R]:

yes, and?

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J-e-f-f-A:

vanquish: Did your system crash or did you have a power failure or something perhaps?

[02:14:58]

vanquish:

J-e-f-f-A: it's possible, why?

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J-e-f-f-A:

vanquish: It's possibe that it could have corrupted something in your channel table causing the listings to be scewed...

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banyan:

I still can't get playback on a pvr-350 tv-out in 2.6,19 with ivtv 0.9.1...

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banyan:

all the modules load but they don't make the right things happen.

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banyan:

I can hear live tv and I can hear recordings (from the 350) but no tv-out.

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trend:

hello

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J-e-f-f-A:

olleh ;-)

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trend:

i am looking to buy a new pci tv tuner.. and need some help narrowing it down.. but it looks like bttv drivers are the most used.. so i should stick with a card that supports them

[02:29:42]

trend:

the hauppauge seem very popular

[02:29:44]

GreyFoxx:

Go for a PVR 150

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hads:

Go with a PVR-x50

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trend:

esp the pvr 250 and 350

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J-e-f-f-A:

ditto!

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GreyFoxx:

bttv cards generally suck

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alsoconfused:

banyan: did you ever answer my question about the -N option to ivtvctl?

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vanquish:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks a lot, i'll try it

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GreyFoxx:

the video quality it;s great, and they require a lot of cpu to compress

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trend:

well.. my backend is 1.4ghgz

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trend:

ohhh really?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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trend:

ok

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beernutz:

hey, it appears my channel database is all hosed up. the channels are all 2 numbers off. how can i clear it out and make it work fresh.. i am running mythdora 3.2. any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

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hads:

Maybe 1–2%

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J-e-f-f-A:

trend: Then definitely go with a Hauppauge PVR-150, 250 or dual-tuner 500...

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GreyFoxx:

I've got 3 pvr cards in my master backend and even when all 3 are recording it bareky regusters

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hads:

The PVR-150 works well for me, and they are cheap, although I only use the s-video input

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GreyFoxx:

barely registers

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hads:

heh

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trend:

great, thanks for all the info guys! seemed like lastt time i asked.. i got.. rtfm or something

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trend:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

I've got a PVR-250, PVR-500 and HD-3000 all in a PIII 866 backend — no problem recording from all 3 and playing back SD at the same time.

[02:33:16]

kslater:

yeah, rtfm

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kslater:

;-)

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banyan:

alsoconfused: I am not sure I saw your question. I've fiddled with my modprobe.conf and rebooted and such so have been in and out of the channel.

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J-e-f-f-A:

beernutz: Is that on a new install, or was it working fine, and all of the sudden it's offset by 2?

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trend:

heh.. well here is the manual: http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-page.php?pageName=pvrhw_tuners it sucks

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trend:

i mean. t.aht iswhere i was pointed to

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alsoconfused:

banyan: try running ivtvctl -N

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beernutz:

J-e-f-f-A, it seems like it was working fine, but then started messing up , but this is a pretty new install too. only a couple weeks old

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kslater:

trend – I'm sure you can understand. Some of these guys hand out answers all day long and the pay isn't all that good

[02:34:39]

kslater:

I don't know as much as I'd like, but I try to answer when I can to give back a little

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banyan:

alsoconfused: that gets me usage for ivtvctl.

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J-e-f-f-A:

beernutz: Any hardware or software changes to your system?

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trend:

so, i should get this: http://cgi.ebay.com/FREE-S-H-Hauppauge-WinTV- . . . cmdZViewItem

[02:35:33]

beernutz:

J-e-f-f-A, no sir.. All has been the same since install.

[02:35:48]

trend:

it says: Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150 MCE Media Center NEW

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trend:

i doubht it is jsut for mCE

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banyan:

v4l2-ctl -N does give me a bunch of stuff tho.

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alsoconfused:

banyan: sorry, should have been ivtvfbctl

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alsoconfused:

ok

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kslater:

trend: seems I recall there being some issue with some of the later PVR cards

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alsoconfused:

banyan: does it mention s-video?

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trend:

oh

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banyan:

It does.

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beernutz:

J-e-f-f-A, also i should mention, that i am unable to watch liveTV, but recordings are fine. The research i have done also points at the channel table.

[02:38:10]

trend:

well how do i know what one of the pvr 150 to get?

[02:38:18]

alsoconfused:

banyan: i think it should be numbered 0 thru whatever. try v4l2-ctl -o <num>

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kslater:

check the recent mailing list posts? maybe the wiki?

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beernutz:

J-e-f-f-A, i THINK at this point i would just like to clear out the channel table and redo the mythfilldatabase command

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trend:

k

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beernutz:

J-e-f-f-A, what do you think is the best course of action at the moment?

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arkoflnx:

hi

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trend:

crap.. i wanted one with closed caption

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banyan:

there's some stuff in the ivtv-users mailing lists about not getting some types of 150s.

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banyan:

alsoconfused: that command succeeds in executing but nothing changes.

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arkoflnx:

anyone know whether the digital box Explorer 2100 by Time Warner needs a tuner CArd?

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alsoconfused:

banyan: does it also have a composite output?

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xris:

arkoflnx: does it support firewire?

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arkoflnx:

I saw a usb port

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banyan:

It says svideo+composite

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arkoflnx:

where would the firewire be? at the back? the USB port was at the front

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alsoconfused:

banyan: are you using the cable that came with the card or a standard s-video cable?

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banyan:

http://pastebin.ca/325295 is the output of the -n

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trend:

hmm.. anyone have close caption support on their card?

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banyan:

Oh, this worked for years, and only stopped like Sunday afternoon, coincidental with a reboot and load of the 2.6.19 kernel

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trend:

i want to beable to write a program that can sift through the closed caption

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banyan:

which uses the ivtv 0.9.1

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banyan:

however, I should check that the cat didn't unplug anything or something droolingly stupid like that.

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alsoconfused:

banyan: is the ivtv-fb module loading without errors?

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beernutz:

Anyone know the right way to clear out the channel table and have it ready to reload again?

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trend:

oh.. so the pvr-150 now does support closed caption?

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banyan:

It is, not a one.

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alsoconfused:

in the settings for tv-playback->pvr-350 there's a device entry (default /dev/video16). do you have a matching device with good permissions?

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beernutz:

anyone know if "delete from channel where chanid > 0" will work?

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arkoflnx:

I'll check it out whether supports FireWire or not

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banyan:

My messages section is: http://pastebin.ca/325304

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alsoconfused:

beernutz: that's what i was going to suggest (without the where clause). then run mythfilldatabase --only-update-channels.

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banyan:

ls -l /dev/video16 -> crw------- 1 banyan root 81, 16 Jan 22 19:19 /dev/video16

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beernutz:

alsoconfused: will that all clear out all the newly stale guide data as well?

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alsoconfused:

beernutz: i don't think so, but try one thing at a time. if the channel numbers are corrected, you can then clear the program info.

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beernutz:

alsoconfused: ok, how would i then clear the program info if that works?

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trend:

awesome, thanks guys! just bought a pvr-150 :) :)

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beernutz:

grats trend

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alsoconfused:

banyan: i'm not sure if this is a valid test, but try to cat someprogram.mpg > /dev/video16

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arkoflnx:

t

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beernutz:

alsoconfused, wow.. the channel database looks MUCH better now. THANK you!

[03:00:33]

alsoconfused:

beernutz: does the guide data line up?

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beernutz:

alsoconfused, ya.. the chanid and channum numbers all look nice now too!

[03:01:07]

alsoconfused:

cool

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beernutz:

alsoconfused, now what should i do to clear out all the old program data?

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alsoconfused:

banyan: i'd try messing with some more v4l2-ctl options. try setting it to s-video only (no composite). there's also a setting for tv-standard (ntsc, pal,secam) but i don't know if that applies to the output or just the input. maybe it works for the output if you use -d /dev/video16

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alsoconfused:

beernutz: is it old beacause the dates have passed or because the data is incorrect?

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beernutz:

i believe because thechannel numbers are now correct, but the channid's will not match properly any more.. they were basically orphaned records once i cleared the channel table

[03:04:35]

beernutz:

they are internally keyed by chanid

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beernutz:

and one side or the other was off by 2

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beernutz:

so i would prefer to clear both and let them rebuild

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alsoconfused:

then i think you should delete * from program and run mythfilldatabase again

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beernutz:

ok.. great! ill hit that now..

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beernutz:

i am doing this with the backend stopped of course, and as i am looking at the schema, it occurs to me that the description field is not indexed, and that may be why the darn keyword searches take so long..

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beernutz:

alsoconfused, thanks so much for your help!

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thufir007:

anyone use something like the slingbox? I'd like something non-proprietary so that I can use my remote on a device which will in turn communicate witht eh pc.

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wylie:

if you delete keybindings for a particular hostname; will the frontend automatically recreate a default keymapping?

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alsoconfused:

beernutz: i'm not sure if you will need to delete data from any other tables that use chanid.

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wylie:

as in, "delete from keybindings where hostname='badbindinghost'"

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beernutz:

alsoconfused, good point.. hmm..

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wylie:

well, what's the worst that can happen. i have to fix it. i'll just try it.

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wylie:

deleted 256 rows. ;) we'll see what happens

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wylie:

brb

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JDStone:

in mythtv-setup, should I have "Master Backend Override" selected?

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JDStone:

on the backend

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JDStone:

this is only being used as a backend

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JDStone:

to an xbox

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beernutz:

alsoconfused, ya, there were several other tables that ref'd chanid including the "record" table lol.. ill have to re set the recording schedule, but that is ok

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beernutz:

JDStone: how is the speed on the xbox frontend? slow?

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alsoconfused:

beernutz: the scheduler might take care of the "record" table itself

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JDStone:

beernutz: the frontend is an xbox

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JDStone:

so, it's a P3 733

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JDStone:

I believe

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beernutz:

alsoconfused: ya, cept for the "only on this channel" settings

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beernutz:

JDStone: ya, i know, just curious about percevied experience

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beernutz:

how does it "feel"

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JDStone:

beernutz: it feels kind of slow

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GreyFoxx:

That's like due to only 64meg of ram

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beernutz:

yeah, that would make sense

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wylie:

it worked as expected

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wylie:

basically, reset keymapping, making it work properly again.

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beernutz:

alsoconfused, hoping this will fix the "livetv" issue i have as well. lol

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JDStone:

beernutz: so should that option be checked?

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JDStone:

err, selected

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beernutz:

JDStone: er.. i am sorry? which option is that?

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JDStone:

"Master Backend Override"

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[R]:

i get lots of "2007-01–22 20:24:48.337 NVP: Video is 30 frames ahead of audio, doubling video frame interval to slow down."... has anyone seen this... can i fix it?

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beernutz:

ohhh.. i am not certain, but i dont think so..

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JDStone:

ok

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beernutz:

i think that is for something else, but my memory of that option is a bit vague

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JDStone:

another question

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JDStone:

I have DirecTV, so what should my channel frequency be set to?

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JDStone:

bcast?

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JDStone:

or cable?

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beernutz:

i leave mine on bcast.. and let the listings sort themselves out.

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JDStone:

ok, thanks

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kormoc:

JDStone, how are you hooking the receiver up to the capture card?

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JDStone:

S-Video

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kormoc:

channel frequency doesn't matter, as you are not using the tuner

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JDStone:

that makes sense

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klingon:

I have a question I could not find the answer to on wiki or faq. Is the ATI TV Wonder 550 fully supported by mythtv?

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hjohnson:

I wonder how much unencrypted qam there is on shaw cable...

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kormoc:

klingon, if it's supported by a v4l driver, then yes

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[R]:

the whole 5C encrypted cable nonsense really pisses me of

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[R]:

f

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hjohnson:

for sure

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[R]:

if i'm paying for it

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[R]:

i shoul dbe able to do wahtever i want with it

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hjohnson:

alas that's not what happens..

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GreyFoxx:

You can, you can record the output of their cable box ;)

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[R]:

what if your trying to watch HD

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hjohnson:

good luck

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kormoc:

get something that can capture HD

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

kormoc: like?

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klingon:

kormoc: how would I find out if the driver supports my card

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hjohnson:

i'm thinking about buying a mac mini and a 23" lcd for my front-end/tv

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kormoc:

[R], http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/ HDMI capture card

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GreyFoxx:

[R]: Then watch the actually output of the cable box. :) And if it has firewire you might be abnle to get it from there

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klingon:

kormoc: I dont have the card yet actually, im not going to buy it until im sure it will run under linux

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[R]:

GreyFoxx: thats why i said 5c AND encrypted cable

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[R]:

5c prevents the firewire

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GreyFoxx:

Only if they tell the box to leave it encrypted on the firewire out

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kormoc:

hjohnson, might be on linuxtv.org

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GreyFoxx:

but either way you can record it, just not in the form ytou want

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[R]:

kormoc: i'm gonna make a bet on that not supporting linux

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GreyFoxx:

though I personally would rather full access too

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kormoc:

[R], indeed, a lot of places do output it over firewire without 5C

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[R]:

if its 5c... you flat out cant record it

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** kormoc shrugs **

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hjohnson:

kormoc: the problem with that though is how does it deal with HDCP?

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[R]:

i know they do 5c where i'm living

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kormoc:

hjohnson, ask them, I just know they exist :P

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GreyFoxx:

[R]: It depends on the cable provider, some alloow the unencrypted output over the firewire

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GreyFoxx:

like my local cable isp

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GreyFoxx:

the HDTV channels are all 5c encrypted, but you can get it from the firewire on the boxes

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[R]:

GreyFoxx: where i am, the locals are unencyprted, and thatsa bout it

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hjohnson:

[R]: consider yourself lucky, here, everything has the 5c flag set.. even the locals, including the CBC, which we pay for with our tax dollars

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mtnbkr:

stupid drm

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[R]:

if its not all in the clear, i dont really see a point in setting the whole thing up for like 10 channels

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GreyFoxx:

here the only stuff that is encrypted is the hdtv channels

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GreyFoxx:

but they could change that at anytime :L)

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degreseven:

where do i adjust the number of minutes that page up / page down will skip?

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mtnbkr:

all joking and sarcasm aside, I have a legit question re: MythTv. :)

[03:38:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

I've been looking into FiOS TV here, and everything except local HD channels is encrypted, both over the cable and firewire.

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mtnbkr:

Can someone help me or point me to a URL – here is my question: How, using a custom recording group (I think) can I set a certain program to be recorded, and stored for no more than a couple days? I cannot seem to understand the concept of having the ability to have/create different recording groups. Even if I can say, "programs in this group are of the lowest priority so delete them whenever, especially if space is required for

[03:38:29]

mtnbkr:

a new recording"

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alsoconfused:

degreseven: playback groups->default, i believe

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hjohnson:

the sad part is that if they'd let me access it, i'd not be downloading it

[03:38:44]

hjohnson:

but since they won't give it to me, I download

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klingon:

So is there a long list of supported ahrdware for mythtv

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hjohnson:

yeah, that card will not deal with anything that does HDCP... so no DirecTV, HD-DVD, or whatever

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[R]:

klingon: if linux supports it... myth does

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kormoc:

klingon, the list is myth supports anything supported by the video4linux interface

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kormoc:

klingon, you need to google a bit and see if it's supported

[03:40:30]

klingon:

kormoc: any idea if the ati tv wonders are supported (all of them)

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klingon:

kormoc: the card im looking at must be new or obscure because I cant find any halfway decent info on it

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[R]:

i'd be willing to spend the $$$ if they made an hdhomerun with cablecard

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kormoc:

klingon, in anyone knew, we'd say so.

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J-e-f-f-A:

klingon: I wouldn't touch an ATI capture card with cattleprod...

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klingon:

J-e-f-f-A: if it wasnt so cheap I wouldnt either..

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hjohnson:

then again, there's so little on tv worth watching that my PVR-500 does the job

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hjohnson:

I don't need Law and order in HD. :P

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kormoc:

klingon, likely it's a bttv card, which means it uses your cpu to capture, which means you can expect a good chunk of it gone (in my usage of a bttv, 30% of a 2.4 ghz to record)

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[R]:

hjohnson: i do

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klingon:

kormoc: I chcked it does hardware encoding

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J-e-f-f-A:

klingon: Spend a few $ more and get an Hauppauge PVR150 — you'll be MUCH happier...

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hjohnson:

i've been doing transcodomg from mpeg2 to h.264 in real time on my machine, it's pretty wicked

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kormoc:

klingon, for that price, I'd be really surprised

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xris:

hjohnson: fast machine, or low bitrate/res?

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hjohnson:

relatively low bitrate. :P

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hjohnson:

but also fast machine...

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hjohnson:

Athlon 64 x2 1800 or whatever

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kormoc:

klingon, that's a pvr 150, not a ati card

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hjohnson:

3800

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kormoc:

klingon, it doesn't say on there that it's a hardware encoder

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xris:

hjohnson: I've found that with h.264 encoding, res/bitrate makes the most difference with speeds

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wsolstice69:

Myth seems to have lost my recordings, the files are still there but the front end says that there are no recordings. Can anyone point me to some help with this. Thanks

[03:47:27]

lamer11695238757:

Hoping someone has an idea on this one. I've got a direct TV STB that has a minijack style port on the back that says RF Remote. Anyone know if there is a way to use this with MythTV to change channels?

[03:47:31]

hjohnson:

xris: yeah

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kormoc:

klingon, and with the min system requirements so high, it's likely a bttv

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hjohnson:

so yeah.. still thinking about the mac mini

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hjohnson:

it does seem like a sweet little machine

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xris:

kormoc: just from the name of the card, I can tell you that much. :)

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xris:

hjohnson: overpriced for a frontend

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hjohnson:

more flexible than an apple tv

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hjohnson:

xris: i'd be used for more than a front end though

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hjohnson:

building a comparable itx system isn't much less expensive

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lamer11695238757:

wsolstice69: Are these TV recording or video rips, Etc?

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wsolstice69:

tv recordings

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wsolstice69:

Things have been running fine since Oct 06.

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beernutz:

lamer11695238757, every one of those i have seen has been for it to control OTHER things via RF remote, not inbound control

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beernutz:

doh

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kormoc:

klingon, http://www.videohelp.com/capturecards.php?CaptureCardRead=578

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kormoc:

klingon, "1) There is ABSOLUTELY NO LINUX SUPPORT with this TV card."

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kormoc:

so that answers that

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hjohnson:

http://bingweb.binghamton.edu/%7Etony/cake.jpg

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hjohnson:

<--- what happens if you send html mail

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beernutz:

lol

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SlicerDicer-:

ROFL hjohnson

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Como|Lappy:

took you long enough to time out, sheesh

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klingon:

kormoc: thanks for your help

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JDStone:

anyone using a DirecTV D11 reciever?

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JDStone:

*receiver

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, what am I doing wrong... Setting up my new backend w/a HD-5500 — I can't get a channel scan to work in Myth or via 'dtvscan', but 'atscscan' works fine from the command prompt... So what am I doing wrong??? (only OTA ATSC atm)

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klingon:

kormoc: would you suggest I buy the pvr250 over 150?

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kormoc:

nope

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klingon:

anything better than the pvr 150 for under 200 bones

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kormoc:

nope

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klingon:

al;l pvr150s come wiht remote?

[04:16:43]

kormoc:

nope

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kormoc:

seems awfuly costly

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klingon:

cheapest i found so far. no tax or shipping.

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JDStone:

anyone using the directv.pl script?

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kormoc:

basic pvr 150 is only $55 on newegg

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kormoc:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116633

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vanquish:

hey. how do i clear downloaded tv listings?

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vanquish:

just delete the source?

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klingon:

kormoc: it doesnt come with a remote though

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kormoc:

klingon, the one you linked to on buy.com doesn't list a remote eather

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klingon:

Package Contents WinTV-PVR-150 TV tunerInfra-red remote control transmitter and receiverWinTV CD-ROMInstallation and reference manual

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Aurelius:

ls

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Aurelius:

erm

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Aurelius:

heh

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kormoc:

klingon, oon, my mistake

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klingon:

kormoc: so after my $10 disc at buy.com it will be exact $20 cheaper than the egg

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Aurelius:

is there a way to pass a mythtv variable as an argument to a filter?

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kormoc:

klingon, fair nuff

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klingon:

kormoc: now I hope the remote uses standard operation codes, so i can use my uni remote with it

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Aurelius:

rather, lemme rephrase.. a userjob variable (like %starttime%) as an argument to a filter

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klingon:

kormoc: is it ez to setup a server on amythtv box, so channels are controlled and forwarded to another computer?

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kormoc:

klingon, that's the entire idea of mythbackend and mythfrontend

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banyan:

Sorry, I was gone a while. Did somebody say something to me?

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kormoc:

assuming you setup an irblaster from the mythbox to the directtv receiver, yes

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_Sam--:

or a serial cable, from what ive read.

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kormoc:

if you have a supported box, yes

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_Sam--:

thank you!

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kormoc:

your welcome

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Aurelius:

hmm

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_Sam--:

in order to have two pvr 150s both receiving and recording programming from the s-video inputs, how much main CPU would be required?

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kormoc:

_Sam--, around next to none

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kormoc:

_Sam--, my m179 uses around 0,1% cpu to record

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_Sam--:

regular ide can keep up with recording 2 inputs at once?

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kormoc:

_Sam--, the max rate is around 6,500 kilobits per second, or 812.5 kilobytes per second, so yes, very easily

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J-e-f-f-A:

_Sam--: I've got a PVR-500, PVR-250 and HD-3000 that can all record at once with a Dual PIII 866 backend — so not much cpu needed!

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_Sam--:

kormoc: that is the max per each input?

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kormoc:

yeah

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_Sam--:

thanks, both. i have a directivo (directv / tivo in one unit) that im thinking about getting rid of and consoldating machinery

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_Sam--:

i like it, though, because ive got in there and installed my own linux, etc, so i have access to unencrytped mpgs on there already

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_Sam--:

would be nice though to have one less box

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banyan:

So, since I started using kernel 2.6.19, I have also been using ivtv-0.9.1. And since this time, I have not had the pvr350 producing any output on its S-video out. Playback of a recording or of live TV will give me sound from the card, but I don't get any video.

[04:49:33]

_Sam--:

kormoc: if i already have access to unencrypted mpgs on my directivo, would i have a loss of quality by recording onto the PVR as compared to what i am used to now?

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kormoc:

slightly, likely

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squish102:

xris if u see this could you tell me how nuvexport using ffmpeg determines that xvid is not supported? i had to roll my own ffmpeg adn i am pretty sure i --enabled-xvid after compiling the library

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_Sam--:

thanks.

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sandeen_:

hey all

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sandeen_:

is NVP: prebuffering pause indicative of a problem? or normal operation

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banyan:

I think I know what my problem is — I don't have an saa7127,ko module.

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sandeen_:

dammit. 16% cpu and audio playback is stuttery as hell

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H00chster:

I did a recording in HD and when I went to play it back the audio is out of sync pretty bad, cpu isn't taxed, and it is plenty to do HD, even went and tried playing back on one of my SD Remote Frontends, same prob. Think it was just the channel, or is there anything I can do to fix it? other HD recordings in the past have gone ok.

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xris:

squish102: ffmpeg -formats

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H00chster:

Also getting lots of Audio buffer overflows in the frontend log on the HD fe

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banyan:

Ahh! I didn't have the video4linux-kmdl. But I do now, and I have a picture.

[05:07:33]

banyan:

I'd have thought it would be a required package...

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sandeen_:

anybody else have trouble with playback degrading as the program progresses?

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sandeen_:

i often have trouble ~1hr into a recording, things get worse

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sandeen_:

exiting back to the menu and re-starting the show clears it up

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alsoconfused:

banyan: congrats!

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banyan:

now, if I can just get my lirc working again... :-)

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alsoconfused:

could be another missing module

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banyan:

Anything special need to be done in order to get the 'import DVD' function to work in myth? It just says "Cannot connect to your Myth Transcoding Daemon"

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cesman:

doesn't it also state to press '0'?

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banyan:

Yeah, that doesn't do anything.

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banyan:

Ah, it was really just directory permissions... got it going now.

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banyan:

Is an iso copy what it sounds like — basically a bitwise image?

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dave:

hello

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dave:

im using 2 tuners

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dave:

adaptec 2410

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dave:

and pvr150 it works in suse

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dave:

using 2.6.17 (kernel)

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dave:

but not in gentoo using 2.6.19

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dave:

is this a bug or known problem

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EnterUserName:

the sound doesnt work but video does

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xris:

Skiingsean: there is a mysql.txt file that usually lives in ~/.mythtv

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xris:

other than that, it's all stored in the database

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Skiingsean:

Thanks much :) :)

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Skiingsean:

next question.. anyone ever get fusionhdtvii card to work

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xris:

no clue there

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JDStone:

anyone using a DirecTV D11 receiver?

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Skiingsean:

thanx again xris and sry for the channel mixup

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defaultro:

xris?

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xris:

?

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Skiingsean:

:)

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defaultro:

hey how are you

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xris:

not bad

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defaultro:

i want to show you something and maybe you can give me an idea what's going on with my system

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defaultro:

look at this. I'm playing 2 instances of 1080p H.264 files -> http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=top8os.gif

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defaultro:

one playback is affected

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defaultro:

70% of the time, it is affected

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defaultro:

sometimes, the other instance would freeze and continue

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xris:

kormoc: why are you still awake?

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kormoc:

xris, napping off and on

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xris:

defaultro: not sure what I'm looking at. I just see some vlc instances

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kormoc:

xris, gotta stoke the fire up every so often

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xris:

ahh

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xris:

yeah, I know that feeling

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Skiingsean:

blargh.. em beginning to despise this hdtv card

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xris:

Skiingsean: anything in google?

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Skiingsean:

going through a few things here and there.. mostly not relating

[07:37:42]

Skiingsean:

I have never setup a HDTV card in *nix before so it's even more messed up :D

[07:38:03]

Skiingsean:

and I've heard that 'this' card when it comes to *nix is special to say the least

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xris:

yeah, nonstandard cards can be a pain in linux

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Skiingsean:

well it has the more common bt878 (or whichever) chipset so I'm guessing it's quite possible to get working

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hads:

HDTV bt878?

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Skiingsean:

ooer.. does HDTV cards not use that chipset? that's what lsmod gave me

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kormoc:

usually it's a hybread DVB + BT878

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hads:

Interesting. We don't have HD here yet so I wouldn't know.

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kormoc:

Skiingsean, the BT878 chipset is a analog frame grabber, unable to do HD res, unable to handle mpeg-2, and uses the cpu to encode the video into mpeg-2/4 to the drive

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** xris translates that to "hybrid" **

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Skiingsean:

i believe it's DBB-T but.. for some reason lsmod isn't giving me anything anymore :/ growl.... at this point i'd be happy with TV :D

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** kormoc laughs **

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hads:

Heh hybread

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xris:

kormoc needs to get SOME sleep in this 48 hour period

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slowone:

lspci tell you more about your card?

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kormoc:

Skiingsean, what's the card?

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Skiingsean:

fusionhdtv ii

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Skiingsean:

from DVICO

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Skiingsean:

slowone yes lspci is only giving info about the bt878 driver

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Skiingsean:

s

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Skiingsean:

audio/video for the bt drivers

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kormoc:

Skiingsean, actually, it looks like you have a BT878A chipset, which is different

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kormoc:

Skiingsean, erm

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kormoc:

or rather a Fusion 878A

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

" The video capture ICs (chips) used are of the Fusion 878A type from Conexant. These are commonly referred to by the older designation Bt878 so they use the bttv driver in the Linux kernel."

[07:51:24]

kormoc:

http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Kodicom_4400R <-- that might help out

[07:51:43]

Skiingsean:

kormoc thanks taking a look now

[07:51:51]

kormoc:

it's not your tuner but uses the same chipset

[07:52:05]

kormoc:

strange, entirely different then my understanding of that chip was :)

[07:52:30]

pat_:

ok, secured a dell gx260 thing for a minimyth frontend

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pat_:

any gotchas with it?

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pat_:

(minimyth that is)

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Skiingsean:

aye.. since the kernel recognizes it.. yet it's a HDTV tuner, even does OTA HDTV .. that i could care less about

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kermitthefrog918:

hey, I've got a question

[08:04:13]

kermitthefrog918:

is there any way to set up a windows user to connect to my myth tv box and have comercial skip?

[08:05:15]

kermitthefrog918:

anyone?

[08:07:27]

xris:

install mythfrontend in vmware?

[08:09:14]

kermitthefrog918:

so under windows, its not a possibility

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x86:

gah, my HDTV has overscan like a bitch

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x86:

is there any way i can compensate for that either in the xorg configs or in mythtv somehow?

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xris:

x86: mythtv has offset settings, and nvidia driver has overscan adjustments

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x86:

where can i find docs about this?

[08:23:48]

xris:

about which?

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x86:

both of those ;)

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hads:

If you are going to use the nvidia one, set it with nvidia settings and then call `nvidia-settings -l` from your xinitrc

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xris:

mythtv's settings are pretty clear in the frontend.. and the nvidia-settings program is also pretty clear

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x86:

i didnt find any offset settings in the frontend

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x86:

i'd rather do it at the nvidia level

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hads:

You get better adjustment from the nvidia settings then from using the setting in xorg.conf

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x86:

hads: so there is a nvidia-settings app i need to get?

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xris:

x86: comes with the drivers

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x86:

cool deal

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x86:

and the -l loads the saved settings i'm assuming

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xris:

yeah

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x86:

easy enough :)

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x86:

thanks guys

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x86:

well, nvidia-settings has no such options

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x86:

it had some gamma stuff, color correction, image quality, info about my card, etc... but nothing to do with overscan compensation

[08:33:39]

hads:

Well, yes it does.

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x86:

please take a screenshot

[08:34:05]

x86:

where at in there is it?

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hads:

I can't take a screenshot sorry, I'm not near an nvidia box. It is in there though.

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x86:

no, it is not

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x86:

and i can't find it in mythtv either

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hads:

Yes, it is.

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x86:

mythfrontend rather

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x86:

no, it is not ;)

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x86:

and you can not prove that it is

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hads:

bye

[08:35:27]

x86:

so please assume stuff you dont know to be true

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x86:

*dont assume*

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xris:

x86: appears not to have overscan settings for non-tv outputs

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x86:

it is a tv output

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kormoc:

Aye, nvidia-settings only shows overscan settings for known tv output

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x86:

when i click on display, it shows "Sony TV"

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xris:

x86: which output? thought you had a digital line to your tv?

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x86:

DVI-D from my PC to the TV

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xris:

x86: that's dvi, not tv.

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x86:

ah!

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kormoc:

x86, that's not considered a TV class link

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xris:

"tv output" refers to an analog tv link.

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x86:

it has to use the crap s-video?

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kormoc:

x86, you shouldn't need overscan on digital links

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xris:

x86: use mythtv's settings

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x86:

xris: where can i find those?

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xris:

kormoc: that's true, but apparently his tv overscans everything.

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

strange...

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xris:

x86: frontend config, like I said. I don't know where.

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x86:

bah

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xris:

x86: it's in there somewhere. probably somewhere intuitive like "appearance" or "playback"

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** xris curses ffmpeg for not honoring hard-coded aspect ratios **

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** xris curses his stupidity for forgetting that avi files CAN'T DO ANAMORPHIC. **

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xris:

ok, time for sleep.

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psofa:

hmm

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psofa:

theres a complete mess in my mythbox

[10:59:15]

psofa:

autoexpire on livetv is set on 1 day max age

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psofa:

however i have recordings at least 6 months old

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psofa:

i try to manually delete them

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psofa:

from myth web

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Merlin83b:

psofa: Have you run out of space on your myth box?

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psofa:

yeah :)

[11:00:08]

Merlin83b:

Oh. I don't like it when the simple explanation fails.

[11:00:25]

psofa:

err

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psofa:

stil l my free space is more than myth wants to start autoexpiring

[11:00:51]

psofa:

but even then

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psofa:

myth says it autoexpires livetv

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psofa:

after one day

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Dagmar:

It might be just making them all highest priority for deletion

[11:01:26]

Dagmar:

If it *works* it's a useful feature

[11:01:43]

Dagmar:

Based on the assumption that your filestore is exclusive to mythtv and not a shared volume with other things

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psofa:

Dagmar, erm

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psofa:

wait

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psofa:

my free space is more than what myth considers to be low to start autoexpiring

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Dagmar:

Are you having it *not* record things due to low space?

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psofa:

nope

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psofa:

i just see a shitload of little recording files

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quicksilver:

I don't think it will ever autoexpire if it isn't out of space

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psofa:

and i want to get rid of them

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quicksilver:

not even livetvs

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Dagmar:

So then if it's simply putting them on the shortlist for deletion, then it's working

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psofa:

quicksilver, it does

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psofa:

since i upgraded to a recent svn

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Dagmar:

I've not bothered to look at mine

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psofa:

it works as expected

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psofa:

for new livetv recordings

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Dagmar:

...and I don't see why you'd want it to delete anything until you actually get low on space

[11:03:18]

psofa:

its just the old ones that are stuck

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psofa:

Dagmar, ill raise the free space limit then

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Dagmar:

Oh you have a batch of old ones that are still there, then a gap where some *were* deleted?

[11:03:39]

psofa:

and see if it gets rid of them

[11:03:49]

psofa:

Dagmar, yes

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Dagmar:

Okay, don't bother raising the free space

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psofa:

for new livetv it does its job correctly with the one day limit thing

[11:04:15]

Dagmar:

I'll bet when those were made the schema was different and they no longer appear to be flagged as expirable

[11:04:34]

Dagmar:

Look at the entries associated with them in the database

[11:11:24]

Dagmar:

BTW, here is both why I'm about to egregiously ignore overscan preservation in the LCARS theme and why narrow fonts are good. (Still going to resize some of that)

[11:11:31]

Dagmar:

http://blairhouse.homeip.net:88/foo.png

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Dagmar:

That's actually readable on my tube TV, too.

[11:14:25]

Dagmar:

Still looks like crap but the edits I'll put in tomorrow night should let me know if I can finish the thing by the weekend or not

[11:14:58]

Dagmar:

Yay for PNGs compressing well with simple images, or I'd be looking at a bigger theme package than that +22Mb monster of juski's

[11:15:29]

Dagmar:

I'm going to have to use the watermark to do the elbo on the menu screens to keep it from having an elbo in every freaking dialog box

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quicksilver:

Dagmar: widescreen or SDTV tube tv?

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psofa:

ern

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psofa:

wtf!

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psofa:

/var/lib/mysql

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psofa:

Mythbox mysql # du -h --max-depth=1

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psofa:

0 ./test

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psofa:

4.9M ./mysql

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psofa:

181K ./torrentflux

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psofa:

47M ./mythconverg

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psofa:

3.8G .

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psofa:

in there there are like a million files named like Mythbox-bin.******

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psofa:

anyone knows wtf is that?

[12:12:50]

juski:

mysql binary logs maybe?

[12:13:11]

Techboy74:

Hi All, Can't find much info on setting up an SAA7134 based capture card in myth. composite part works great in tvtime. barely works in mythtv. seems to lose signal sync. any ideas?

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juski:

Techboy74: rong tv standard selected?

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juski:

*wrong

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Techboy74:

Juski – no it's set correctly in the setup which is PAL

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Merlin83b:

psofa: You can safely delete all but the one with the highest number

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psofa:

omg

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psofa:

it seems its a log of every query done

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psofa:

wtf

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Techboy74:

For the life of me I can't find the analogue options there

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psofa:

ive got 4gb of logs ffs

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juski:

gah! more spam to delete

[12:15:57]

juski:

fecking useless critters

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Merlin83b:

Turn off binary logging if you don't need it

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quicksilver:

Techboy74: which docs suggest that?

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Techboy74:

Hmm let me check

[12:16:57]

quicksilver:

Techboy74: I have 3 saa7134-based hybrids, and I treat the analogue and digital parts as totally separate cards

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quicksilver:

I wasn't aware there was any other way

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juski:

mythtv doesn't deal with hybrid cards yet

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juski:

so they're effectively a proper waste of money :)

[12:17:44]

psofa:

Merlin83b, you know wheres that option?

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Techboy74:

Ahh OK

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quicksilver:

I bought them because they were cheaper than DVB-only

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** quicksilver grins **

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Merlin83b:

/etc/my.cnf

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Techboy74:

Docco extract: NOTE: If you have a dual digital/analog card, such as the pcHDTV cards and some DViCO cards, then you should not configure this as two separate cards. Configure the digital portion as a DVB card, then click on the "Analog Options" button within the DVB configuration panel for the card and configure the analog portion of the card there.

[12:18:22]

juski:

what?

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juski:

they're having a laugh, surely

[12:19:01]

quicksilver:

Techboy74: not sure what that refers to

[12:19:07]

Techboy74:

Hmmmm me too

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Techboy74:

So.... I have set them up as different cards

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quicksilver:

Techboy74: are thses DVB-T? Are you OK?

[12:19:22]

quicksilver:

erm

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quicksilver:

Are you UK?

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quicksilver:

:)

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juski:

who wrote that trash?

[12:19:40]

Techboy74:

DVB works perfectly (DVB-T) (I'm in Australia)

[12:20:13]

Techboy74:

I was first chasing a driver problem as the audio was really bad too.

[12:20:18]

juski:

if you have a hybrid card I'd recommend you forget all about using the analogue side

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psofa:

Merlin83b, yeah i mean where exactly :)

[12:20:43]

juski:

taht section of the docs looks like utter bollocks

[12:21:05]

Techboy74:

juski – it didn't seem to match with anything that I could see in the setup

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juski:

Techboy74: doesn't match anything I've ever seen either

[12:21:53]

Techboy74:

Bit of a shame to have to abandon the hybrid card – I only have 1 PCI slot in the machine. I may have to go for USB DVB-T tuners

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juski:

unless it's in SVN, in which case what the fuck is it doing in the main docs?

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Techboy74:

and an older analogue card for composite in

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quicksilver:

Techboy74: *nod* I'm afraid you will

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quicksilver:

Techboy74: unless you're a programmer

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quicksilver:

Techboy74: in which case you might spend the time making hybrid cards work :)

[12:22:39]

Techboy74:

Not really a programmer

[12:22:46]

Techboy74:

I can bash my way around a good script

[12:22:55]

Techboy74:

but as far as lower level stuff

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Techboy74:

I'm of no use i'm afraid

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Techboy74:

quicksilver do you have any suggestions for decent USB DVB tuners then?

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juski:

what's up with all the shitty motherboards having 1 or 2 (at most) PCI slots these days anyway?

[12:24:51]

Techboy74:

juski it's a baby PC type thingo biostar ideq 330P

[12:25:03]

Techboy74:

64bit AMD socket 939 thing

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Techboy74:

quite sexy

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psofa:

juski, amen

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Techboy74:

but looking horribly impractical

[12:25:37]

juski:

quite sexy apart from it's really very very very lame. nice :)

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Techboy74:

the only lame thing about it is that it has one PCI slot

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juski:

I find the suggestion any PC motherboard could be sexy really funny anyway

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Techboy74:

so I'd suggest that makes it just a little lame, not very very very lame

[12:26:47]

Techboy74:

It's a barebones system

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Techboy74:

comes with M/B built in

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Techboy74:

case, quite fans etc etc

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Techboy74:

quite = quiet

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juski:

sounds like it'd be ideal for a frontend

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Techboy74:

it's a pretty kikkenbottom machine

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quicksilver:

Techboy74: if you have the space in your house, and the money available, I'd suggest a backend box somewhere with many tuner cards

[12:27:45]

quicksilver:

Techboy74: hidden in a cupboard or an attic etc

[12:28:06]

Techboy74:

That could be disappointing, but practical

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juski:

I'm gonna get Ludovic to disallow folks posting URLs in the forums. I'm bloody sick of this spammer

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quicksilver:

(room for much bigger hard disks that way, too)

[12:28:41]

quicksilver:

then keep your cute barebones PC for a sexy fronted :)

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Techboy74:

The machine has 3/4 terrabytes of storage

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juski:

750GB HDD in a small box. hmmm

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Techboy74:

well almost

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Zider:

750GB that is

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Techboy74:

2x 350GB

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juski:

even worse then

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Techboy74:

deary me, it just gets better doesn't it

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quicksilver:

however, if you don't want to spend lots of money

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quicksilver:

then there are plenty of USB DVB sticks that work

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quicksilver:

just check the wiki before buying

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quicksilver:

(or the linux-dvb mailing list)

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Techboy74:

Sounds like the plan

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quicksilver:

that is obviously the cheap works-for-now plan

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Techboy74:

sensible seeing as I just forked out the cash for the sexy (but very very very lame – apparently) box

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Techboy74:

the annoying thing is that the hybrid card.... almost.... works

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Techboy74:

DVB-T tunes great

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juski:

I'm saying be just be careful

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Techboy74:

HD works fantastically

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Techboy74:

Cheers – careful is the go!

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quicksilver:

saa7134-based cards support HD?

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quicksilver:

HD on DVB-T or HD on the analog in?

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juski:

HDDs need airflow around them, and you don't get mich of that in small boxes ;)

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juski:

*much

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quicksilver:

ah, interesting

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quicksilver:

since it's compressed in the MPG anyway

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kslater:

where is the cache for mythweb? Isn't that what needs to be deleted when images aren't working right?

[12:33:04]

juski:

no affordable tuner card has analogue HD input

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Techboy74:

juski – I can imagine they cost a kidney, or even a testicle

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quicksilver:

juski: *nods* :) of course to you isn't always of course to me, I'm afraid

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quicksilver:

juski: but I'm learning :)

[12:34:34]

juski:

even the expensive ones don't have linux drivers

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Techboy74:

I'm not surprised....

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juski:

damn

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Techboy74:

D'OH!

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Techboy74:

Must be using a microsoft keyboard

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Techboy74:

or mouse

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kslater:

looks like someone in elbonia

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juski:

80.*

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juski:

sod em

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Techboy74:

Well folks – Thanks for the quick chat and the info – I appreciate the help

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Techboy74:

I'm off to bed

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juski:

have fun

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Techboy74:

Cheers Mate

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Techboy74:

Cheers quicksilver

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juski:

hahaha someone sent me a theme patch & it went straight to my spam filter

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fryfrog:

score!

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Zider:

I believe there's some 80. ips in sweden too

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mboman:

Can I update IMDB information from mythweb? My MythTV machine doesn't have a keyboard/mouse and it's a pain to trying to figure out what the display is showing...

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juski:

time to go. my -users intolerance is growing nicely :)

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fryfrog:

i wonder why juski hangs out in a support channel if users drive him nuts?

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mboman:

is there any script that batch-downloads & fills in description of movies from imdb?

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juski:

yet another retarded spammer. man do they never get bored?

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Paladine:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/23/high_def_porn/

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juski:

oh dear

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psofa:

is that normal? 15 0 235m 131m 41m S 10.3 26.2 3:14.93 mythfrontend

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juski:

seems low for someone running one of my themes

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psofa:

lol

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juski:

my next theme will be called sponsored_by_www.Kingston.com-wide

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psofa:

:P

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Paladine:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2749 . . . +effect+eepy <- awesome

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Hoxzer:

Paladine: It's fucking science :D

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psofa:

Paladine, Jesse Jane, one of the industry’s biggest stars, plans to go under the knife next month to deal with one side effect of high-definition. The images are so clear that Ms. Jane’s breast implants, from an operation six years ago, can be seen bulging oddly on screen.

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psofa:

rofl

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Beirdo:

OMG, it's been a YEAR since I worked on this MUD code... no wonder I forget what I was doin

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Paladine:

psofa yeah

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Paladine:

psofa check th last link I posted

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Paladine:

its awesome

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psofa:

Paladine, that was a quote from the source reported on your link :)

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Paladine:

psofa, I know, I meant this link http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2749 . . . +effect+eepy

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psofa:

ah :P im blind

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psofa:

makes me wonder

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psofa:

what would happen if i drunk a bottle

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psofa:

then got some mentos

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Paladine:

time to buy up some dual P4 boards I think

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niter3:

Hey guys I'm looking for a free channel guide I can hook MythTv up to..

[14:38:54]

Dagmar:

not based on absurd levels of overclocking you should

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Dagmar:

't

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Dagmar:

s/should/shouldn't/

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Paladine:

dagmar, I was only joking, still an achievement though :)

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Dagmar:

niter2: Astonishingly, if you read the MythTV documentation, you'll kind just that

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Dagmar:

s/find/kind/;

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Dagmar:

Just got up and my fingers are still numb

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Milosch:

i just got up as well

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Milosch:

missed the fscking trash

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niter3:

yah I'm not finding anything related to program guides for cCanada

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plb_:

mediaportal has some nice themes. someone should port some over to mythtv

[14:52:11]

juski:

mediaportal has some seriously fugly skins

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plb_:

well yeah that too but it does have some nice ones ;]

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juski:

somebody adapted mepo and called it MePo-wide

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juski:

see the wiki

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juski:

ah well

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juski:

so maybe you should port it to 4:3

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juski:

don't be just another needy user

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plb_:

How long does it normally take to do a theme?

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ivor:

juski: meh. no scart connector fitted on my new Ex board.

[14:54:52]

juski:

plb_: depends on the theme

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juski:

and the user doing it

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squish102:

im trying to compile ffmpeg from source with all the required switches/codecs. would someone be so kind as to do a 'ffmpeg -formats' for me and stick it in a pastebin somewhere?

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juski:

squish102: this is #mythtv-users

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plb_:

you did blootube didn't you juski ? How long did that take you?

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squish102:

well someone with a mythtv ffmpeg then ;)

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squish102:

because, my ffmpeg does not wotrk with nuvexport

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squish102:

missing something

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plb_:

juski, heh just noticed mediaportal has a theme called BlueTwo...were you inspired by this theme? ;]

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juski:

nope

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juski:

blootube took a couple of weeks

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plb_:

I kinda like the colors on this BlueTwo theme though

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squish102:

so have resorted to comipling with source, and so far that has taken 8 hours

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plb_:

damn

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juski:

and a theme is never finished

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juski:

I wasn;t working _solidly_ on it though

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kslater:

juski my graphically talentend daughter likes the look of blootube

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plb_:

maybe I'll just make a osd then lol

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squish102:

or is there documentation that lists what codecs ffmpeg needs installed for mythtv?

[14:58:24]

juski:

if I did themes for the praise I honestly wouldn't bother

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juski:

I do themes for ME

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juski:

if you like it, that's nice for you. if not, who cares? :-P

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kslater:

the recordings screen seems 'fuzzier' than the retro theme I was using thos

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kslater:

s/thos/tho

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H00chster:

lmao@juski well if it counts, I like it heh

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plb_:

yeah I like them too ;]

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juski:

ivor: no SCART? you mean no RGB over the tv-out? oof

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plb_:

I also like themes like this http://www.team-mediaportal.com/screenshots/p . . . ey,30/hit,1/

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juski:

yeah well like I say folks if you like em.. good for you. if not.. :-P

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plb_:

where the icons and whatnot are faded off more into the background

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plb_:

looks quite nice imho

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juski:

blech

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ivor:

juski: yeah, the scort connector is an optional spec for the board.

[15:09:37]

juski:

http://juski.co.uk/neon-wide.png

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ivor:

there are solder pads on the board for a socket. and a couple of components missing.

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ivor:

:(

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juski:

ah

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juski:

lemme addit :)

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ivor:

shame. that would have been fun to tinker with.

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kslater:

hey ivor – been looking for you

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ivor:

I know.

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ivor:

I'm not around much at the moment.

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kslater:

you have an EPIA system, eys?

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ivor:

lots of work on.

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ivor:

kslater: er, 6 systems.

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juski:

also www.juski.co.uk/screenshots/comingsoon.png :)

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plb_:

juski, that looks pretty cool

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juski:

ftw

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ivor:

or is it 7 now? let me go count.

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kslater:

I have a DVI-02 and I'm not having much success. If I move to a different converter, would you be able to make use of it?

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plb_:

juski, make a 4:3 aspect pretty please? ;]

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plb_:

that's nice!

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juski:

no more 4:3 themes from me

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juski:

don't use em

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ivor:

kslater: yeah sure I'd be interested in taking a look at it.

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kslater:

ok. I'm going to give it another try or two, but may just go vga->a960 to my tv

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kslater:

I'll let you know

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cmcgee:

Hello all, does anybody know what this ivtv-enc kernel process is? I thought that the PVR-150's were supposed to do encoding in hardware.

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qu0zl:

something still has to manage it

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juski:

my dvb drivers have kernel processes funnily enough

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juski:

kernel drivers having kernel processes. weird, that eh? :-P

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qu0zl:

i've got two encodes going at the moment on a pvr-500 and it's 10% cpu usage between the two. without hardware encoding that'd be closer to 100%

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cmcgee:

Ah, okay.

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cmcgee:

So, this is some sort of supervisory process for the card?

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qu0zl:

tbh i don't know what it's doing in the cpu time you're seeing, possibly memory copies. I think time spent in kernel calls are charged against the process that makes them

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qu0zl:

the ivtv guys could give you a better educated guess :)

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cmcgee:

Okay, thanks.

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plb_:

juski, how do you control the level of opacity of the osd?

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Honk:

gah, why does my mythmusic keep segfaulting after some time? :|

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plb_:

juski, nm

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mboman:

Anyone got any suggestions how to get Democracy Player functionality in MythTV? I watch a lot of vidcasts and would like to do it in the living room on the telly

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Dagmar:

Ya break out your C++ book and write a plugin

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juski:

knoppmyth does that I think

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juski:

or forget all about watching blocky crap videos on your telly

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juski:

hasn't someone done something for mythnews anyway?

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juski:

but I think it only downloads & plays videos fed by rss

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juski:

I hope I'm not the only one who hopes user-generated content isn't the whole of the future of TV

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quicksilver:

until beirdo's magic GPU-based postprocessor

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quicksilver:

can make them look all shiny again :)

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quicksilver:

But I'm with you on that one juski :)

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ivor:

juski: nope you're not alone.

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juski:

I like high production values :)

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daviey:

Anybody ran mythtv over 802.11g?

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ivor:

unfortunately reality TV seems to be making up the rest of the content at the moment.

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juski:

if I have to pay to see them I don't care

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ivor:

daviey: sure did it once for a laugh.

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daviey:

work?

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ivor:

kind of

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quicksilver:

daviey: plenty of people have reported success for SDTV

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quicksilver:

daviey: you want the network to be fairly quiet though

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daviey:

good stuff

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ivor:

as long as you don't have any other wireless traffic going.

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quicksilver:

you can just-barely run sdtv over 802.11b in fact

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ivor:

or use your microwave.

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juski:

YMMV

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quicksilver:

YMWV

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juski:

I repeat YMMV

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Dagmar:

One sdtv stream over 802.11b should be fine

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daviey:

yeah, just thinking of getting a new laptop, and occasionally use it as a front-end in the bedroom.

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Dagmar:

Two is kinda cutting it close, but doable

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daviey:

Dagmar, over 'b'?!!?1

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Dagmar:

yes.

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ivor:

I wouldn't recommend it. o.k. for occasional use, but worth wiring properly for a fixed setup.

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Dagmar:

Assuming the more or less standard encoder rates coming out of a Hauppage card

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quicksilver:

in fact streaming could presumably be made to work better by getting the frontend to keep a bigger cache?

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daviey:

g is better than b right?

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quicksilver:

yes

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Dagmar:

s/better/faster/;

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daviey:

good stuff

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H00chster:

Anyone familiar whether a Netstream 2000 card works ok in myth?

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juski:

H00chster: if it works in linux, liekly

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juski:

likely even

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H00chster:

obeytabie, thanks

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juski:

if it doesn't work in linux, definitley not

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juski:

!trout Juski bad_spelling

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** MythLogBot slaps Juski with a bad_spelling trout on behalf of juski... **

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H00chster:

kinda figured if there was drivers, and being as myth can do the pvr cards, that it should work, but thought I would inquire, thankya

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juski:

so long as the drivers are v4l/v4l2/ivtv compliant

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psofa:

any idea on how to change the order inputs appear in livetv?

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quicksilver:

psofa: delete them and recreate them in the channel editor, I think

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quicksilver:

erm

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quicksilver:

cards editor not channel editor

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quicksilver:

they appear in the same order as they look there

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psofa:

yeah im searching for an easier method as doing this has many times resulter in a diseqc tree mess

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psofa:

:(

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qu0zl:

psofa, do you just want to use a different tuner for livetv? There's a setting somewhere to try and avoid conflicts with recordings, which will get livetv to not use the first tuner by default

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psofa:

ah

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psofa:

cool

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psofa:

:)

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psofa:

i thought it didny affect livetv

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qu0zl:

that's all it's for :) trying to avoid conflicts between livetv and scheduled recordings

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quicksilver:

why woudl that matter?

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quicksilver:

ah because the scheduler chooses which tuner it's going to use?

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quicksilver:

and if you're using that tuner for livetv at that moment you get chucked off?

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qu0zl:

yep quicksilver

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quicksilver:

I see

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juski:

what is this 'live tv' you speak of? ;)

[16:49:31]

quicksilver:

would seem to make sense if livetv started at the 'last' tuner and the scheduler started with the 'first', then :)

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quicksilver:

juski: it's something wives do

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quicksilver:

I don't claim to understand

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quicksilver:

but there are plenty of things my wife does I don't understand

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juski:

heh

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juski:

oo I can watch episode 2 of '24' tonight :)

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kslater:

you get that show across the pond?

[17:00:18]

juski:

yeah

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juski:

best thing on TV, no question

[17:00:45]

kslater:

so you're behind or they're behind?

[17:00:54]

kslater:

seems like ep 3 was on last eve

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juski:

UK is behind

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quicksilver:

I'm 5 series behind

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quicksilver:

or is it 6

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juski:

6

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quicksilver:

(got the first series on DVD at the weekend)

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quicksilver:

s/weekend/christmas/

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** quicksilver peers **

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juski:

series 6 is now on

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kslater:

got a really crappy recording of that last night from OTA HD

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kslater:

need to find a way to give other HD channels with better signal a boost in priority

[17:02:27]

juski:

just get a better antenna innit

[17:03:03]

kslater:

yeah, that too, but it's snowing and cold

[17:03:19]

kslater:

would rather fall off the roof in the warm weather. ;-)

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juski:

heh

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squish102:

pls could someone with a working mythtv run a 'ffmpeg -formats' and paste the result to http://www.pastebin.ca/ I am trying to see why my ffmpeg is borked

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kslater:

one sec

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opello:

mythtv working fine here, no ffmpeg installed :o, but on my laptop: http://rafb.net/p/Ijkd2b44.txt

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juski:

http://www.pastebin.ca/325813

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squish102:

thanks juski

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juski:

are you using umbongo & trying to get by with its useless ffmpeg?

[17:07:49]

juski:

I just grabbed the debian multimedia repo of ffmpeg on my ubuntu box :)

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squish102:

no i have a problem with fc6 and atrpms, so now i am trying to compile ffmpeg from scratch

[17:08:24]

squish102:

it was working fine until one day it just stopped working

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juski:

ffmpeg doesn't take more than a couple of hours on a 2ghz cpu

[17:09:16]

squish102:

i want to use nuvexport again with ffmpeg, instead of nuvexport -transcode

[17:09:30]

squish102:

and the bult in dvd burning in mythtv used ffmpeg

[17:09:38]

squish102:

and that does not work anymore either :(

[17:10:10]

squish102:

and all the help on atrpms/google is not helping me... i think RPM's are screwed up

[17:10:44]

squish102:

well redhat package manager is a screwed up system anyway :(

[17:11:37]

juski:

I've heard some horror stories about fedora

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opello:

does something need to be specifically enabled to let myth overscan / reposition the picture?

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opello:

(either in x or myth?)

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juski:

see the wiki entry about overscan

[17:13:45]

opello:

i did, and it was slightly less than helpful

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juski:

how so?

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opello:

just setting the values didn't solve the problem

[17:14:48]

opello:

neither affected the display at all

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juski:

so make X overscan using nvidia-settings or a suitable video mode then

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opello:

all i know is in 0.18.1 it worked fine, and now it doesn't :/

[17:15:24]

opello:

nvidia-settings works for non-nvidia cards?

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juski:

nope

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juski:

there's another rub then

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juski:

does the gui fill the screen?

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opello:

it looks to be off a little bit, but not as much as the recorded show playback is

[17:16:58]

juski:

that's what the GUI size settings are for

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opello:

but it didn't change anything

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opello:

if i set it to 30 there should be a noticable shift

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juski:

works fine here

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juski:

ah

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juski:

the offsets don't always work, i find

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juski:

and as far as I know they only work if you set a custom gui size

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juski:

so instead of 0 & 0 for the X & Y size, use your screen res. minus about 5% as a starting point

[17:19:11]

juski:

then tweak it

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juski:

it'll take ages but remember you only need do it once

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juski:

or you could try using the --override startup option for mythfrontend

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opello:

did a lot change from .18.1 and .20?

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opello:

i mean, for positioning and such

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juski:

don't think so

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PeterC:

Hello! I'm trying to setup a TwinView under Debian. I would appreciate if someone could take a look at http://pastebin.ca/325830 if something is obviously wrong.

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juski:

GreyFoxx: btw, how did that gui resizer widget thing come on? ;)

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ShiftyPowers:

why is it that sometimes mythtv fails to record a program that and it shows up as a "B" in file size in mythweb?

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone have that happen?

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ShiftyPowers:

happened to me last night with Prison Break

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juski:

ShiftyPowers: that'd be because of an error

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juski:

tuning problem, signal related maybe

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah

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ShiftyPowers:

ah

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juski:

or maybe your tuner was just asleep

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ShiftyPowers:

snap

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juski:

or missing

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ShiftyPowers:

i think it might be my signal

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ShiftyPowers:

might have been low yesterday

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juski:

or the disk is full

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quicksilver:

I get that often if I try to record from ITV3

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quicksilver:

my signal just isn't good enough and I often get 0-length files as it gives up

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ShiftyPowers:

hmm, is there a utility that can tell me what the signal strenght is at any given time?

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ShiftyPowers:

something that I can monitor?

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ShiftyPowers:

dtvsignal is it?

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juski:

not sure the signal monitoring stuff works

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah, doesn't seem like it works juski

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daviey:

juski, signal monitoring doesn't seem to work for dvb. Always shows as 50%

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ShiftyPowers:

would be a nice addition to mythtv setup

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ShiftyPowers:

no?

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daviey:

ShiftyPowers, i would like that.... get coding!

[17:35:45]

ShiftyPowers:

yeah, that's the issue

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ShiftyPowers:

i have no idea how to code

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ShiftyPowers:

but i'm a good backseat driver :)

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psofa:

lol

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daviey:

hehe, i can't programme user interfaces, especially web based! I can do the back processing stuff

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah see i can do neither

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ShiftyPowers:

i can barely get my mythtv setup running

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ShiftyPowers:

still working my way up the learning curve

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mike_w:

hey... I think I have an interesting problem

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daviey:

ShiftyPowers, mythtv isn't designed to work ;)

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ShiftyPowers:

touche

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ShiftyPowers:

indeed

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mike_w:

I'm trying to install mythtv on gentoo

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ShiftyPowers:

it's meant to be hacked

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mike_w:

and when I get the the emerge mythtv part

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mike_w:

my computer shuts off halfway through the emerge

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daviey:

???

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mike_w:

it doesn't shut down... it just turns off

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psofa:

thats like the wierdest question ive ever seen :P

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daviey:

mike_w, does gentoo have a 'safe' kernel?

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juski:

I thought emerge was what a turtle's head would do ;)

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JoeyJoeJo:

I have a script I made that converts recordings for my psp. It works perfectly in the command line, but when I run it as a user job, it always stays queued and never runs

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mike_w:

i'm not sure

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psofa:

mike_w, it has nothing to with myth, your box is just unstable

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mike_w:

nothing else crashes it

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daviey:

JoeyJoeJo, do you have a user job time schedule?

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JoeyJoeJo:

I don't think so.. let me check

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mike_w:

i've run gentoo with the same setup on this box for 2 years now

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juski:

mike_w: nothing else loads your CPU like compiling does.. maybe with the exception of cpuburn

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psofa:

mike_w, recompile gcc and see if it crashes :P

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quicksilver:

mike_w: it's 'impossible' for myth to crash your computer

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quicksilver:

mike_w: I'm guessing your computer is overheating

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quicksilver:

and some sensor has a safety-cutoff

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psofa:

mike_w, or glibc

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mike_w:

so myth crashes it, but compiling qt and xorg are fine...

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daviey:

JoeyJoeJo, you need to set a user job time that will allow jobs to be performed between the hours x & y

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mike_w:

alright, i'll reinstall some of the dependencies then

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mike_w:

and come back

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juski:

compiling mythtv has nothing to do with mythtv itself

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daviey:

good luck

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psofa:

mike_w, no i mean

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psofa:

recompile something that takes much cpu

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juski:

if it crashes while _compiling_ then something is wrong with the system not mythtv

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psofa:

like gcc or glibc

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mike_w:

psofa, how about qt?

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mike_w:

it worked fine

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JoeyJoeJo:

daviey: no, I don't have one.. however my job just went from queued to finished, but didn't actually run my script

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juski:

or do you mean it's mythtv's fault for being more than 15 lines? ;)

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juski:

hahaha crashed?

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daviey:

JoeyJoeJo, can you do commcericalskip and transcode?

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psofa:

:P

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JoeyJoeJo:

daviey: yup

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daviey:

JoeyJoeJo, no idea then. sorry

[17:42:41]

JoeyJoeJo:

daviey: it's ok, thanks for trying

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daviey:

JoeyJoeJo, that was the obv. one

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daviey:

JoeyJoeJo, Have you tried rebooting? <joke>

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JoeyJoeJo:

hehe

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juski:

tell mike_w that

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daviey:

gentoo hasa built in shortcut for poweroff, "emerge mythtv"

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psofa:

:)

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Milosch:

oy

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juski:

I thought it was a 52 hour delay loop myself

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Milosch:

at least the turtle wins the race, or so they told us

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** juski used to use gentoo, but decided to go with a different flavour of the month for a while **

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Milosch:

it lays on it's back, baking in the hot sun, but you're not helping

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juski:

of course now my box isn't OMGoptomised to 7h3 x7r3m3 but who cares if it just works (tm)

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opello:

juski: after setting the gui size like that and then adjusting overscan stuff, it worked alright, i also found sisctrl, which helped a bit

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opello:

juski: thanks

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juski:

opello: glad to know my nudges helped :)

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CanadianMan:

greetings

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CanadianMan:

is anyon familiar with mythtv and using lirc_mceusb2?

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CanadianMan:

ment to say ubuntu* and lirc_mceusb2 lol obiviously your familiar with mythtv

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opello:

wow, retro-osd is really readable

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H00chster:

Don't use Ubuntu, but use Debian with that remote. I just grab the CVS of lirc and compile that module, modprobe it and run lircd, copy the supplied lircrc with mythtv trunk and it works fabulously

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ivor:

hmm, how come my work colleages think I'm strange listening to REO Speedwagon.

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ivor:

damnit. perfect coding music.

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CanadianMan:

has anyone encountered Module.symvers is missing before?

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opello:

ivor: nothing wrong with rock :)

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niter3:

Hey guys, how are the Nvidia MX400 32MB TV Out cards for linux?

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CanadianMan:

no clue

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CanadianMan:

i'm using onboard dvi out to component

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niter3:

nVidia GeForce 4 MX 440 Ok

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niter3:

That's their comptaible list

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gnome42:

niter3: I think i use that card ... NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev a1)

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niter3:

Well I got this card coming. Bought it for 13$ on ebay

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niter3:

Plus a Hauppauge pvr 150

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gnome42:

niter3: nice!

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gnome42:

niter3: that card has worked well for me

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niter3:

Just gotta get the cables to do the speakers to rca 's and a rca cable from the video card to the tv.

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niter3:

This is going in an old system. 900 mhz Pentium.

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niter3:

How is MythTV under gentoo? i found the guides to do the install for the pvr cards. Anyone running Gentoo?

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stuarta:

evening all

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stuarta:

evening juski

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CanadianMan:

niter3, i had a heck of a time getting my sound to work under gentoo, i got mythtv up and running though just no sound

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niter3:

hrm... So what did you do?

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CanadianMan:

niter3, i then switched to ubuntu and everything worked right out of the box. I'm just having lots of problems with getting my remote working

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niter3:

gnome42: Awesome!

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niter3:

Hrm... I will start the project hopefully this weekend. I have to clean out and backup my BSD machine.

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niter3:

yay!

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CanadianMan:

good luck

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niter3:

I was thinking but does Ghost read the linux partions? I will just make a ghost of the system and write it to DVDs

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CanadianMan:

i've heard it does yes

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niter3:

I wonder if a DVD external burner will be seen by Ghost...

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|Torg|:

it depends on what veristion of ghost you hve, and what fil;e sytems you are using

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niter3:

I'm using the default BSD file system.

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niter3:

It was whatever the howto suggested.

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CanadianMan:

is this Freebsd?

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niter3:

Yes

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|Torg|:

using UFS?

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niter3:

yah I think so.

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CanadianMan:

where i work they back up the freebsd boxes daily i think they do it with a dump not really sure what the process is

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niter3:

The machine is packed away in the closet. Haven't used it since I moved.

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|Torg|:

then you can by uysing ghose 8.X or higher and using sector copy

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|Torg|:

it cant rtead UFS nativly

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Beakster:

Hi, i need some Lirc help. In mythtv when I press a button it registers as 2 or 3 presses

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niter3:

sector copy, but the problem is that if I wanted to put it back on a system it would need to be the exact same HD.

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|Torg|:

exact same partition, not HD, but yes

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niter3:

Oh ok. hrm.. ....

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niter3:

What about Ghost4Linux?

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juski:

Beakster: RTFM on LIRC.org & pay particular attention to the 'delay' and 'repeat' lines in your lircrc & .lircrc file

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niter3:

well that's linux

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niter3:

:)

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juski:

Beakster: AGAIN

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Beakster:

juski i have been experimenting with delay and repeat but having probs :(

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juski:

and remember that mythtv & other apps only read lircrc when you start them up

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dvbs-htpc:

before i try to install this mythtv i have a few questions?

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niter3:

I can't wait to get my myth box up ..

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niter3:

Myth obviously allows you to pick a directory to store your recorded shows right?

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juski:

evening stuarta.. almost missed that greet. how's the mini?

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juski:

niter3: yes, that's mentioned in the docs I believe

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niter3:

I'm hopeing to setup a samba share for the directory that stores my recorded shows.

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dvbs-htpc:

does mythtv support dvb-s? and does it work with mce remotes?

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niter3:

this way I can watch it from my computer and my other tv running XMBC.

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juski:

does nobody read the channel faq anymore?

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stuarta:

nope

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** stuarta needs to put project grahem on the mini mac **

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niter3:

dvbs-htpc: yes it works with mce remotes

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juski:

been doing battle with forum spammers today.. loads of em

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juski:

dvbs-htpc: yes it works with dvb-s but ymmv

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CanadianMan:

niter3, thats what i did, i created a media share for movies/music then another share for a file server like software/docs/other stuff

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Beakster:

juski, been trying that. restarting mythtv. when i run irw i see it registering twice, but even when i set repeat 0 and delay = 2 it still registers twice

[19:28:27]

CanadianMan:

i've had a lot of trouble getting my mce remote working still doesn't atm

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juski:

niter3: you'll need to have a read of the samba docs then

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dvbs-htpc:

so it does do dvb-s and softcam

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niter3:

CanadianMan: That's my plans. :) Down the road I plan on getting a larger HD too..

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niter3:

I know how to setup samba

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juski:

Beakster: of COURSE you'll see multiple presses in irw

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juski:

remotes send each keypress more than once to ensure they're received properly

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niter3:

The remotes that are included with the PVR 150's are MCE remotes are they not? CanadianMan You're remote isn't working?

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juski:

lircrc & .lircrc will have no effect on irw

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Beakster:

yes, i know, but that was how i was determinign it was 2 presses

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juski:

niter3: only the MCE pvr150's come with mce remotes AFAIK

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niter3:

fantastic. So i'm going to have problems. :)

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Beakster:

so why doesn't repeat=0 fix this? manual says "A value of zero tells the program to ignore repeated keys"

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juski:

Beakster: maybe the delay value is too low

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CanadianMan:

niter3, no it is not saddly when i do irw i get another command prompt shortly afterwards

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juski:

maybe you also need it to say repeat = 0

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juski:

(note the spaces)

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niter3:

CanadianMan: was that meant for me?

[19:31:07]

juski:

anyway I have to go before I explode

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CanadianMan:

lol yes i'm also new to IRC and don't know how to do PM :-P

[19:31:50]

niter3:

CanadianMan: /msg nickname

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|Torg|:

technicaly what you are doing here is a PM to

[19:32:34]

|Torg|:

PRIVMESG is any textual message intended for a target endpoint, this channel is one and so is your irc cleint

[19:33:07]

CanadianMan:

did you get my last message niter3?

[19:33:10]

kormoc:

|Torg|, no need to confuse the poor boy more

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dvbs-htpc:

i had problems with vdr hard core

[19:33:24]

dvbs-htpc:

it did not like my lnbs

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niter3:

CanadianMan: no

[19:34:14]

niter3:

It seems that the MCE remotes do work, it's just that they are a pain in the ass to get wroking.

[19:34:17]

CanadianMan:

i am not a registered user so my messages are blocked i'm told

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|Torg|:

then go register to nickserv

[19:34:33]

CanadianMan:

i second that

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|Torg|:

/msg nickserv help

[19:34:44]

CanadianMan:

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww ok

[19:34:45]

kormoc:

niter3, not really, they're rather well supported by lirc

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dvbs-htpc:

niter3 have you set up a mce remote before?

[19:35:37]

niter3:

I haven't setup anything yet.

[19:35:42]

niter3:

I'm waiting for my parts to come in.

[19:35:48]

niter3:

Hopefully set it up this weekend

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|Torg|:

btw serives, the two endendpoingts you see as them (chanserv and nickserv) are not standard irc, this network just uses them (they are common amongst irc networks)

[19:35:57]

kormoc:

niter3, it's as simple as remotes get on linux

[19:36:24]

kormoc:

niter3, so I donno where you got 'pain in the ass' from, but that's not really the cas

[19:36:25]

niter3:

ok well that's good to hear..

[19:36:26]

kormoc:

*case

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dvbs-htpc:

well i think i gota hire someone to do this mythtv setup

[19:36:44]

niter3:

I can't wait to start putting this together.

[19:36:57]

CanadianMan:

ah i've had a hell of a time getting my MCE working it still doesn't atm

[19:37:01]

niter3:

I know this is documented somewhere and I mgiht get flamed, but how much space does an hour recording usually take up?

[19:37:18]

|Torg|:

what is the soruce you want to record niter3 ?

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niter3:

not sure.. :)

[19:37:40]

niter3:

I simply want to record a tv show for instance

[19:37:43]

niter3:

mythtv defaults

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|Torg|:

frame size and audio stream can make a BIG differnce

[19:37:57]

CanadianMan:

kormoc, what remote are u using currently?

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|Torg|:

to give you an example 1080I AC3 bcasts on ATSC are about 7G/hr

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|Torg|:

that is the high side tho

[19:38:32]

niter3:

That's what I was about to say

[19:38:56]

kormoc:

CanadianMan, a microsoft MCE USB

[19:39:30]

kormoc:

niter3, in other words, it depends on your tuner card and what you tell it to capture at

[19:39:49]

kormoc:

niter3, can be as low as 600 mb a hour, tends to default around 1.4 gb a hour, and can go much higher

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dvbs-htpc:

kormoc is mythtv hard to setup if u know jackass about linux?

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|Torg|:

if you dont know a thing about linux I would suggest you learn first

[19:40:43]

CanadianMan:

when i had my cable signal right up to my tv i only got 13 channels (basic cable) but when i hook it up to my tuner card i can scan like 60–70 it was really cool

[19:40:45]

kormoc:

dvbs-htpc, depends on your hardware a luck a bit, most people seem to be able to do it without too much issues

[19:40:55]

|Torg|:

but if you insist go get knoppmyth and use compatable hardware

[19:41:28]

Led-Hed:

any recommendations on a good distro to use for MythTV other than Fedora or Ubuntu? Something with packages would be nice.

[19:41:49]

|Torg|:

Fedora or Debian

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dvbs-htpc:

well i have this p4 2.8ghz 1 gig ram 4 400 gig hdd 2 twinhan 1202g dvb-s and nvidia fx5200

[19:42:06]

kormoc:

Fedora has a really nice howto

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|Torg|:

Debian stable is my personl prefernce, but that is optionion

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dvbs-htpc:

102g

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Led-Hed:

kormoc: ya been using Fedora w/ MythTV for 3 years now. But I'm having major issues with FC6

[19:43:11]

kormoc:

Led-Hed, sad, I really like gentoo, but it's for the patient

[19:43:29]

Led-Hed:

kormoc: I tried gentoo once. Its not for me.

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kormoc:

fair nuff

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|Torg|:

knoppmyth uses older myth, but its very easy to install, and is beased on debian which uses apt

[19:44:18]

CanadianMan:

led-hed, i use ubuntu it's been great for me but for the remote

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Led-Hed:

kormoc: I installed Myth on Ubunto 6.10 and all went really smooth, Till I got to LIRC. Then I spend 2 solid days on it and no success.

[19:44:39]

|Torg|:

if you know enough about apt or for that matter read teh myth wiki you can set it up in a matter of about and hour, and depending on how fast your download bandwidth is and how busy the update servers are update it to current (well sorta current) in anopther

[19:45:04]

Led-Hed:

CanadianMan: what remote issues are you having?

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|Torg|:

but what you are asking is a matter of opinion and their really is no proper answer. What istro you use is personal prefernce

[19:46:10]

dvbs-htpc:

well whatz delay between channels switch

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niter3:

kormoc: Ok sounds good..

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niter3:

I hoping to have everything by Friday.

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|Torg|:

and im the opposite of kormoc , I know debian well. If I knew gentoo better id probbly use it

[19:47:11]

niter3:

I am going to have to hit the electronic store on the way home today and pick up the cables I need.

[19:47:18]

|Torg|:

in the end it all comes out to about the same

[19:47:22]

niter3:

Gentoo is a fantstic distro.

[19:47:27]

niter3:

I've been using for a few years myself

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|Torg|:

but I also have debina boxes that are up and running. And im a big supporter of if it ain't broke don't fix it.

[19:51:21]

niter3:

where is a good place to grab mythtv themes?

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|Torg|:

juski's page :)

[19:51:48]

|Torg|:

quite a few come with myth already

[19:52:12]

|Torg|:

and again, which theme you use, is a matter of opionion (that and the ammount of memory you can use)

[19:52:30]

niter3:

yah, I'd like to browse themes

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niter3:

Cant' really find anything other then the default themes

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CanadianMan:

i changed just he background and just a few things in the XML of Ilius or w/e that theme is called it pretty sweet

[19:56:01]

niter3:

CanadianMan: Which theme ist hat?

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niter3:

What are you guys running MythTv off of? KDE, GNOME, or just a simple window manager?

[19:58:40]

niter3:

Like fluxbox or something?

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|Torg|:

no wm

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niter3:

??

[19:59:01]

niter3:

what?

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GreyFoxx:

niter3: A small wm

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GreyFoxx:

kde/gnome are wastes of cpu and ram on adedicated myth box

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|Torg|:

I dont use my FE for anything besides watching tv (well unless you count flagging commericals and compiling)

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niter3:

That's what I was figuring. So you just have it automatically booting into the window manager from gdm and from there loading mythtv frontend with .xinitrc?

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|Torg|:

so I have no need of something as gigantic as kde or gnome

[20:00:24]

stuarta:

damn mini mac remote doesn't have enough buttons!

[20:01:30]

jmblack:

anyone here that can point me in the right direction with mythweb? Its mostly working but I get "Fatal error: Call to a member function query() on a non-object in /var/www/includes/session.php on line 60" at the bottom of the page(s)

[20:02:13]

jmblack:

ok, that was odd – hopefully that msg came across right on you end ;)

[20:02:24]

niter3:

sonds like php isn't working properly?

[20:02:51]

niter3:

chances of the php file being corrupted is probably a slight chance.

[20:03:20]

|Torg|:

chance of permisison on the session directory being wrong, a high chance

[20:03:56]

|Torg|:

its also posible php is fully installed, or is old

[20:04:02]

|Torg|:

all of the info you need is in the readme

[20:04:23]

niter3:

There is a way to check to see if php is installed.

[20:04:23]

Como|Lappy:

whats a command that could be used to determine what server your on

[20:04:39]

Como|Lappy:

a flash applet is refusing to tell me what server it uses, and i /know/ its standard irc

[20:09:29]

jmblack:

Im back ;) Anyway Im having a strange issue with mythweb Im not sure if my pasted error message made it to the channel or not a min ago ;)

[20:09:47]

jmblack:

so Im hesitant to spam the channel again

[20:10:09]

kormoc:

jmblack, you sure your mysql settings are correct?

[20:10:34]

jmblack:

nope ;) but mythweb is able to pull up the program list/etc

[20:10:51]

jmblack:

so I assume they are correct

[20:11:03]

kormoc:

so what did you do to get that error?

[20:11:18]

jmblack:

its at the bottom of every page

[20:11:28]

jmblack:

(pages that seem to be rully rendered)

[20:11:30]

jmblack:

fully

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hads:

ratpoison is cool

[20:11:43]

kormoc:

jmblack, what version of mythweb?

[20:12:31]

jmblack:

latest cvs, I just updated again 10 min ago to double check that it wasnt fixed already

[20:12:43]

niter3:

ahhh come one 5pm!

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niter3:

5pm is taking TO TO LONG!

[20:12:52]

niter3:

Let's go 5!

[20:13:07]

jmblack:

mythtv and plugins are also latest svn and seem to be working properly

[20:14:15]

jmblack:

just fyi this is the first time Ive run mythweb so for me at least this is not a new problem, it may very well be a config issue

[20:14:49]

jmblack:

Im just not sure where to start poking

[20:19:09]

niter3:

I I can't wait to I uh go home to my house and eat pasta!

[20:19:15]

niter3:

I can't wait to leave work and eat!

[20:20:15]

jmblack:

I do have a mythweb_sessions table in the mythconverg database

[20:21:11]

jmblack:

and the database is being queried for other data, without a problem, mythweb is able to pull up the upcoming recordings for example

[20:21:46]

alsoconfused:

jmblack: what's the document root for your apache?

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jmblack:

same as the error message, tat file does exist

[20:22:29]

jmblack:

that

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alsoconfused:

jmblack: ?

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jmblack:

uhm /var/www

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jmblack:

should I drop the database and try it with a fresh new one? Im a bit confused as to what is broken, the database, php config, or mythweb config (or I suppose mythweb itself)

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alsoconfused:

jmblack: not sure, but i think it's a bit odd that you have not contained mythweb to it's own directory.

[20:30:10]

jmblack:

well, if that is required it can be done ;) the only thing this webserver will be serving is mythweb

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alsoconfused:

did you set the path in mythweb.conf ?

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hads:

Isn't it all in htaccess these days?

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alsoconfused:

hads: i think most of it can go in .htaccess, but if you do that then (again, i'm not positive) you need to specify some allowoverrides in the server conf.

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jmblack:

alsoconfused: yes, it is set correctly in mythweb.conf

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hads:

True. I don't believe I have a mythweb.conf on my system

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alsoconfused:

hads: you might just have a section in the main httpd.conf

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jmblack:

I just changed it to a subdirectory /var/www/mythweb and changed mythweb.conf to reflect that change restarted apache and get the same error message (which might be cosmetic only?) at the bottom of every mythweb page

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hads:

alsoconfused: Ah, yes. For some reason I thought you were referring to a mythweb config file.

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hads:

But yes, all my config is in a htaccess file.

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alsoconfused:

jmblack: anything interesting in httpd/error_log ?

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jmblack:

nope

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niter3:

1 hour and 15 mins left! COME ON 5!

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alsoconfused:

jmblack: do you have the required AllowOverride directives as specified in the README?

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alsoconfused:

jmblack: when you moved the files down a level from root, i think you would have needed to adjust the overrides

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geemark:

hello – this guide (http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto#Kernel_ . . . n_specifics) tells me to enable CONFIG_VIDEO_CX2341X in the kernel, but it is not there – however there are cx2341x source and docs files in the kernel tree – what should I do?

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alsoconfused:

geemark: maybe your kernel is too old?

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geemark:

alsoconfused, should be the right version – also, the source files are there, just can't enable them in .config

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jmblack:

ok, Im seeing a note in README about AllowOverrides that refers me back to INSTALL but I got nothing in INSTALL that refers to AllowOverrides ;( – so Im confused

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|Torg|:

do you know what AllowOverrides means, or whre it goes?

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alsoconfused:

geemark: on my system: grep CX2341X /usr/src/linux/.config returns one line: CONFIG_VIDEO_CX2341X=m

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jmblack:

Im ignorant about apache confg unfortunately

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geemark:

alsoconfused, kernel version? 2.6.19.2 here

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alsoconfused:

geemark: that's kernel 2.6.18

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|Torg|:

google it

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jmblack:

working on that now, thanks for the pointer

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|Torg|:

it tells apache what is allows in what directory

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alsoconfused:

geemark: and that's the stock config from fedora

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|Torg|:

google apache AllowOverride then go fix your configs

[20:56:35]

jmblack:

k, sry for the noise

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alsoconfused:

|Torg|: in case you haven't been following jmblack's problem, it seems that the session.php file doesn't know about global variable $db. I'm assuming it's a config problem.

[20:57:12]

|Torg|:

ahh no I was on a confernc call :)

[20:57:30]

|Torg|:

that and im trying to figuire out how to populate my syndicatepiode data

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jmblack:

hrm, ok – with AllowOverrides All and a restart of apache same situation. "Fatal error: Call to a member function query() on a non-object in /var/www/mythweb/includes/session.php on line 60" at the bottom of what looks like a fully rendered page

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|Torg|:

jmblack what distro do youuse?

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jmblack:

yeah, Im running down the 'bug in my distro' route now ;) – ubuntu

[21:04:35]

|Torg|:

php4?

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Xanium4332:

hi all

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jmblack:

php5

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Xanium4332:

yo, anybody know of any benefits of using fullfeatured DVB-S cards with mythtv, or linux

[21:06:57]

jmblack:

possibly the source of my pain?

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Xanium4332:

if I'm using DV out from my gfx card

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Xanium4332:

DVi*

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|Torg|:

yes jmblack

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bluey-:

anyone got a working mythtvfs?

[21:07:20]

jmblack:

k, Ill downgrade to 4

[21:07:25]

Xanium4332:

mythtvfs?

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bluey-:

its a fuse module

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|Torg|:

you would need libapache-php5, php5-mysql and a fw others

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bluey-:

http://outflux.net/software/pkgs/mythtvfs-fuse/

[21:07:54]

Eradan:

So |Torg| didn't you say you got DD/DTS passthrough over spdif working ?

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Xanium4332:

thanks

[21:08:08]

|Torg|:

yes Eradan

[21:08:17]

|Torg|:

mostly AC3 tho

[21:08:44]

Eradan:

|Torg| For the life of me, i can't get it to work, all the redirection works, but no matter what i try, i can't get passthrough ....

[21:09:13]

|Torg|:

what audi card do yuo use?

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Eradan:

I'm using one of the most widely used cards too ... and can't immagine that its' supposed to be this tough !...

[21:09:25]

Eradan:

sblive platinum ... (emu10k1 driver)

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|Torg|:

patebin your aplay -l and aplay -L

[21:10:09]

Eradan:

Bah .. i'm not at home :( ...

[21:10:21]

Eradan:

figures when someone's online that is willing to help i don't have access :P

[21:10:32]

|Torg|:

well the information on how to set up an sblive via spdif is very common knowlege

[21:10:44]

Eradan:

Make me feel dumb :(

[21:10:48]

Eradan:

i can give it over spdif ...

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|Torg|:

but you will need to know speciflcy what hardware subdevice is the spdif and how to tie the dsps to it

[21:10:52]

Eradan:

just not passthrough

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alsoconfused:

geemark: are you still there?

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Eradan:

yah ... alsa=hw=0,0

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geemark:

alsoconfused, sure

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|Torg|:

0,0 most commnly is the output of the ANALOG rca port

[21:11:34]

Eradan:

yah .. spdif :)

[21:11:43]

geemark:

alsoconfused, tried writing that in, but it does not work – it is just ignored, and after the make, it it removed again

[21:11:52]

Eradan:

at least that's the identifier was .

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|Torg|:

my analog is 0,0 my spdif is 0,2. Its why I said you hve to know which port is which

[21:12:18]

Eradan:

gotcha ...

[21:12:34]

Eradan:

the output showed 0,0 as spdif .. i'll have to recheck when i get home.

[21:12:43]

|Torg|:

the wiki has a very nice alsa,conf you can uncomment what parts you need

[21:12:44]

Eradan:

so for DTS... no need for linking DSP's ? ... only for DD ?

[21:12:54]

Eradan:

You have linkage by chance ?

[21:12:55]

|Torg|:

well what are you passing it to?

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alsoconfused:

geemark: in the xconfig, look for multimedia devices->encoders and decoders->conexant 2341x

[21:13:26]

Eradan:

using ... something like ...

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|Torg|:

no what is connected to the OTHER end of the spdif

[21:13:54]

Eradan:

mplayer -ao alsa=hw=0,0 -ac hwac3,hwdts

[21:14:02]

Eradan:

oh ... reciever ... sorry :)

[21:14:15]

|Torg|:

ok can it decode DTS?

[21:14:18]

geemark:

alsoconfused, yeah, it should be there, but isn't :( maybe some other weird setting has hidden it?

[21:14:26]

Eradan:

the reciever ?... yes

[21:14:35]

|Torg|:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Digital_Sound

[21:14:45]

|Torg|:

im nearly certain tho your spdif isnt 0,0

[21:14:59]

Eradan:

cool ... that could be my problem then.

[21:15:20]

|Torg|:

you can run that card three ways

[21:15:29]

|Torg|:

digital only, analog only or mix

[21:15:45]

|Torg|:

if you take the standard spdif defeniton its digtal only menaing no analog sound

[21:15:50]

Eradan:

for decoding or output (Phys connection) ?

[21:16:03]

|Torg|:

some cards cant do analog encoinfg downt the spdif too

[21:16:13]

kslater:

so here's a stupid question – say I have hd channels 2.1, 11.1, 27.2 and so on. How do I enter a decimal point when keying in the channel number?

[21:16:14]

|Torg|:

well its ENCODING, not decoding

[21:16:30]

Eradan:

details details ... :P

[21:16:39]

|Torg|:

kslater use channel up and down, thats all I do :)

[21:16:51]

kslater:

and that's what I do too

[21:17:01]

Eradan:

kslater i just type in 10.1 ...

[21:17:07]

Eradan:

or hit y to change tuners.

[21:17:08]

Eradan:

then up and down

[21:17:19]

kslater:

I could do that if I picked up the IR keyboard

[21:17:30]

kslater:

what if I just type in 272 for example?

[21:17:32]

|Torg|:

I use an RF one, works much nicer

[21:17:48]

|Torg|:

I dont even have a remote (well one that I use, I have several)

[21:17:48]

Eradan:

i need a decent keyboard ... both of mine suck ... only work 5ft away :( ... any suggestions ?

[21:18:00]

Eradan:

Gotta configure lirc next : )

[21:18:09]

|Torg|:

mine works from about 10, but it eats batteries like they were candy

[21:18:18]

geemark:

alsoconfused, it was hidden by some "auto-select" option, thanks

[21:18:31]

alsoconfused:

geemark: cool

[21:18:44]

|Torg|:

nput,hiddev96: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [Gyration Gyration RF Technology Receiver] on usb-0000:00:10.0–2

[21:18:45]

|Torg|:

input,hiddev97: USB HID v1.20 Mouse [Gyration Gyration RF Technology Receiver] on usb-0000:00:10.0–2

[21:19:12]

Eradan:

So you think there is any differnce between quality of a program stream and transpot stream ?... cause i took a couple screencaps of something from last night ... and they look like poop.

[21:19:26]

|Torg|:

it also seems to be somewhat directions (singal comes out the bacK) becae after abotu 5' you hve to aim the keyboard at the computer

[21:19:37]

Eradan:

yah ... that's how mine is ...

[21:20:00]

Eradan:

I need something that works like 15 – 20' away

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|Torg|:

bluetooth?

[21:20:19]

|Torg|:

laptop and 802.11 :)

[21:20:20]

Eradan:

Maybe :P

[21:20:28]

x2:

Hi guys, my question is a not realy about mythtv but i would like to make a jukebox on a old computer (400Mhz) – Is there any graphical protect to do this job ?

[21:20:36]

kormoc:

Eradan, http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pNa . . . a-center-oem

[21:20:38]

x2:

oops, *project*

[21:20:39]

kormoc:

Eradan, 30' ir

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|Torg|:

mines also a 2.4ghz setup so it does interfear sorta (limtis the range) with my wireless

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Eradan:

kormoc: nice !...

[21:21:38]

kormoc:

Eradan, with mod_lirc on source forge, works as a core usb device, remote works, as well as the blasters

[21:21:43]

kormoc:

Eradan, I have one and really like it

[21:21:49]

kormoc:

Eradan, the mouse on it works as well

[21:22:03]

Eradan:

What's the lenght limit on USB ?

[21:22:14]

Eradan:

So .. .anyone wanan look at a screencap and tell me why it looks so bad ?

[21:22:24]

Eradan:

http://lanbash.com/pics/NBC-1080.jpg

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kormoc:

Eradan, http://www.usb.org/about/faq/ans5

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|Torg|:

what do you mean lenght limt, connector cables? 5 meters

[21:22:47]

kormoc:

Eradan, In practice, the USB specification limits the length of a cable between full speed devices to 5 meters (a little under 16 feet 5 inches). For a low speed device the limit is 3 meters (9 feet 10 inches).

[21:23:11]

Eradan:

Bummer ...was hoping i could make a 35' run ...

[21:23:37]

|Torg|:

your FE isnt where your TV is, right?

[21:23:48]

Eradan:

it's accross the room ...

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kormoc:

Eradan, http://www.usbgear.com/USB_Repeater_Cable/

[21:24:06]

kormoc:

"The USB Repeater Cable allows a USB device to have its cable length extended by up to an additional 40 to 80 ft."

[21:24:09]

|Torg|:

35' across the room? what do you have a stadium?

[21:24:27]

Eradan:

no ... i'd need to hide it ... otherwise the wife would kill me ... but i'd LOVE to put a usb port behind my couch.

[21:24:36]

Eradan:

Wireless sucks for WoW

[21:25:03]

Eradan:

I love to show off wow at 100" ...

[21:25:23]

kormoc:

Eradan, usb extenders like that one are rather cheap at $25 a pop

[21:25:32]

Eradan:

kormoc: yah ... i'm really considering that now.

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|Torg|:

take the cpu and put it righ next to the TV (or wall or whatever) tell the wife its "necessary" for good tv recetion

[21:25:43]

|Torg|:

then shopw here how to record tv, rips dvds and cds

[21:25:43]

GreyFoxx:

Interesting, looks like the latest nvidia drivers drop support for (officially anyway) for the GF4 MX440's

[21:25:49]

Eradan:

|Torg| bah .. then it wouldn't be close to the stereo gear.

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alsoconfused:

GreyFoxx: yep

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|Torg|:

mine dosnt understand how it works but youc ant pry it from here fingers

[21:26:06]

|Torg|:

and she shows off the two comptuers to all her friends

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Eradan:

hehe .. yah

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Eradan:

i put the frontend on her mini ... and she LOVES it...

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|Torg|:

I have a DLP TV so the loudest case int eh world wouldjnt matter

[21:27:03]

GreyFoxx:

sucks, oh well. I just wont update my nvidia driver until iwork anymore :)

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|Torg|:

that and te SS deocer make more soice then the FE with the skins off

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alsoconfused:

GreyFoxx: i'm sticking with 7184

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jmblack:

and is their a semi simple way to ignore the session.php error, Id love at this point to just comment out the offending code ;)

[21:27:41]

kormoc:

jmblack, I use php 5 with mythweb just fine, as does many others

[21:27:45]

|Torg|:

I use 9629

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jmblack:

k

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kormoc:

jmblack, you might want to try a newer version of mythweb (from svn), see if that fixes it

[21:28:15]

alsoconfused:

|Torg|: 96xx gave me probs with xvmc

[21:28:30]

jmblack:

kormac: yeah, I did that a few hrs ago.

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|Torg|:

I have to use it becase it fights with teh video modes on my DLP

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|Torg|:

xvmc works fine tho

[21:28:43]

Eradan:

Oh ... do the nvidia drivers support 'mirred' output ? .. w/ different rez's ? ...

[21:28:52]

kormoc:

Eradan, yes

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GreyFoxx:

No xvmc heree so I wouldn't have noticed that, but before my recent update I had gone a long time before my last one, so I imagine I'll stick with this for some time to come :)

[21:29:12]

kormoc:

jmblack, strange... file it as a ticket on svn.mythtv.org, component mythweb

[21:29:18]

Eradan:

kormoc: Sweet !... cause i just hung a 22" LCD for the kids ... otherwise my projector ends up being on for 8hrs / day :( ... and spongebob doesn't care how big he is ...

[21:29:47]

Eradan:

|Torg| Yeah ... right now i just reboot w/ the LCD plugged in ... but i just installed it last night :T)

[21:30:14]

|Torg|:

and my kids know better then to leave the TV on all day :)

[21:30:27]

Eradan:

hehe ..

[21:30:29]

|Torg|:

last time I switched bulbs I intentially orderd it mail order, took about a week

[21:30:37]

Eradan:

i have 4 at home :( .. so it's on all day ... usually w/ nobody watching it.

[21:30:44]

|Torg|:

too bad it came to quick tho, they about had a fit beacse they coudnt watch tv

[21:30:48]

Eradan:

all under the age of 6 so ....

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kormoc:

Eradan, never to early to use the clue bat!

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Eradan:

kormoc: harsh ...

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|Torg|:

6 would be a good age to teach them, mine at 19 and 21

[21:32:40]

Eradan:

The 6 year old is in school ... he watches w/e i watch once i get home :) ... it's the rest.

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|Torg|:

does anyone have any script that can fill in empty syndicatedepisodenumber data?

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juski:

hey hey

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kormoc:

Eradan, heh, it's a figure of speach :P

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|Torg|:

hey juski

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juski:

here's an interesting question for a change.. what's the maximum number of DVB adapters mythtv supports?

[21:33:59]

Eradan:

kormoc: i know :)

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|Torg|:

I see people taling ahuit putting in 8 so as many as devices you have

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|Torg|:

id think you would run out of slots first tho

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Eradan:

|Torg| slave servers FTW

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juski:

there's a forum user asking this & he has 10 but says he only gets to choose between 0 & 7 (8)

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Any limit would just be an interface limit

[21:34:54]

juski:

I thought as much

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|Torg|:

what foruns?

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juski:

mythtvtalk.com

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juski:

small hardcore of helpers there.. I don't often relay questions into here but I was intruiged

[21:35:58]

GreyFoxx:

SpinBoxSetting(this, 0, 7, 1),

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GreyFoxx:

Yeah, it's just an interface limit

[21:36:23]

juski:

heh he was actually asking what code he could change too :)

[21:37:35]

Eradan:

Can i have a slave pickup user jobs ? ...

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Eradan:

Or a frontend even ...

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|Torg|:

mythjobquque

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Eradan:

my backend can't flag fast enough .....

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GreyFoxx:

juski: I'd be very suprised if he can't just update the 7 to 10 and try it again

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Eradan:

|Torg| nice ... thanks ... :)

[21:38:40]

juski:

cheers GreyFoxx

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Eradan:

Have a few extra boxes sitting around ...

[21:38:49]

juski:

so that's one myth busted (ahem!)

[21:38:57]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[21:39:02]

juski:

no limit to the number of tuners eh ;)

[21:39:05]

jmblack:

kormoc, bug filed. If you need more info I'll be happy to provide it. thanks

[21:39:06]

|Torg|:

I want realtime flagging :)

[21:39:18]

GreyFoxx:

juski: yeah, just reasonably interface limits :)

[21:39:22]

juski:

though with that many a box is more in danger of becoming iobound

[21:39:41]

kormoc:

jmblack, just watch the ticket. xris will likely be the one to poke at it

[21:39:49]

jmblack:

k

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Eradan:

|Torg| That's what i'm after.

[21:40:04]

juski:

we've had to ban people posting URLs today :( bloody spammers

[21:40:04]

GreyFoxx:

It'll be interesting once multi channel recording becomes a reality... He might be able to ditch some of those heh

[21:40:09]

juski:

lol

[21:40:20]

GreyFoxx:

Or just spread them around since he will record even more channels :)

[21:40:40]

juski:

I think IO might become a much more serious issue then

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** GreyFoxx is happy now that his chipmunk audio is now fixed **

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juski:

alsa, GreyFoxx ?

[21:41:22]

GreyFoxx:

After going to 2.6.19.1 my playback was a hair faster than normal

[21:41:36]

GreyFoxx:

causing slight chipmunking of voices

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|Torg|:

that would be cool :)

[21:41:47]

GreyFoxx:

moved to 2.6.19.2 and its now gone

[21:41:52]

|Torg|:

I want the chipmuk mod :)

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kormoc:

|Torg|, hrm, if you just only run mythjobqueue, will it just magically work, or does it need a slavebackend running?

[21:42:12]

GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: Timestrech, hit T then increase playback speed :)

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|Torg|:

no you need to tell the BE to allow other boxes to do flagging

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm maybe it's A

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, A for timestretch

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|Torg|:

but other then that yes kormoc I flagg on the FE becas the BE is too slow

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Eradan:

|Torg| That's what i wanna do ...

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kormoc:

|Torg|, sweet, that means I can commflag on my webserver and desktop... never thought bout doing that before :)

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|Torg|:

the only use job I have is to add episode informtion. It hardly takes cpu to do it and it dosnt need to be run until after somethign is recorded so I run that on teh BE

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|Torg|:

yes kormoc I was looking to compile it on a soalris box for just that reason

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** kormoc shall have to poke about a init.d script for it **

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|Torg|:

you want mine :)

[21:45:15]

|Torg|:

I thn I just modifed sometihg else like xfs

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** kormoc nods **

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|Torg|:

http://www.pastebin.ca/326137

[21:47:35]

|Torg|:

its made fro ebain and uses start-stop-daemon so you need to modify it for like RH or something else

[21:47:54]

|Torg|:

Debian, even if I cant type it worth a damn

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emily_:

help! I can't remmeber what to do! I need to initialize my tuner card. I'ts been ages since I've rebooted and I can't remember how...anyone?

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|Torg|:

initilize your card? it shoudl do that on boot

[21:49:31]

emily_:

|Torg|: yeah, It should..I know there is some like ivtv thing I have to run..

[21:49:45]

juski:

modprobe ivtv ?

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niter3_:

added it to your startup to start hose modules.

[21:49:57]

niter3_:

lsmod

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emily_:

i'm an idiot..thanks!

[21:50:26]

emily_:

so lsmod shows LOADED mods..not available mods

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juski:

depending on which distro you use you should add it to the list of modules to load automagically at boot time (on ubumtu it'd be /etc/modules for example)

[21:50:42]

juski:

modprobe -l shows available mods

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emily_:

ahhh

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juski:

heh welcome to the forums |Torg| :)

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|Torg|:

I sorta wonder what someone woudl do with 10 tuners anyway :)

[21:55:28]

|Torg|:

thanks juski

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juski:

|Torg|: quite. they might just have a big family or something ;)

[21:56:47]

juski:

hope their intentions are altruistic anyway :)

[21:57:09]

|Torg|:

im just thinking of my own use, I dont wtch live tv I record everhting and there just isnt that much on at one time I want to record

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|Torg|:

maybe they a reboardcasting it locally, like a hotel

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juski:

which is dodgy territory

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juski:

I think you need some kind of licence to do that

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|Torg|:

you cant even do it to create an infrastucutre?

[21:58:47]

|Torg|:

your not trying to take money for it, or someone impeed there use. Your just building an infrastrucutre for your hotel

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juski:

dunno to be honest

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|Torg|:

stil tho your probbly right

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juski:

just I'd expect there to be some legal thing about it

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|Torg|:

im pretty sure the bcast companies dont like me editing out their commercails either

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juski:

haha

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|Torg|:

but i dont transcode so I can always claim I took out nothign

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juski:

the majority of ads I see are for fucking settee sales

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juski:

like I'm gonna go "oooo see, they have 50% off, MUST END SUNDAY! better get my arse down there right now"

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|Torg|:

in teh US they are really nice about it, they take the SD commericals (becase their too damn cheap to record in HD) and letterbox the contect

[22:01:18]

|Torg|:

that way I cant just say ignore all non 1080I frames

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juski:

lucky

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juski:

we have very high production values in UK ads

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gbee:

heh, before I used mythtv to skip all the ads I remember them all being loan companies, credit cards and debt repayment firms

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juski:

even "mr Jones' car warehouse"

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juski:

gbee: record a lot of daytime TV eh? ;)

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juski:

I can't honestly remember the last time I saw an ad that made me buy something, even subconsciously

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juski:

but then I'm not an easily pigeon-holed person (duh)

[22:03:25]

|Torg|:

about the only ads I want to watch are the apple ones :)

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gbee:

hardly any

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juski:

some ads I really like, like the 'munkeh' ones for PG they have now

[22:03:55]

GreyFoxx:

The only adds I watch that I end up "buying" are movie commercials :)

[22:03:55]

gbee:

in fact between 2am-7pm my myth box sits idle

[22:04:17]

|Torg|:

gbee thats when I compile the new svn on them :)

[22:04:27]

GreyFoxx:

gbee: Mine use to be that way.... but it spends more time during the day recording shows for my daughter than it does fo rme :)

[22:04:29]

juski:

I edited a whole episode of coronation st. & left only the munkeh ad :)

[22:04:43]

|Torg|:

I also have this bad habbit of using a dual core 2.4ghz cpu as a calculator (can I help it if all I know is bc)

[22:04:51]

GreyFoxx:

thankfully auto expire and show limits keep her in a "fresh": supply of shows without me having to delete them :)

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: I use bc more than any other calculator :)

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Yeah, it's crazy

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juski:

bah I need a new keyboard. this one is all wobbly

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gbee:

I've edited shows to just leave the section where they play a decent tune that I've not heard before :)

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|Torg|:

you sure its the keyboard and not your fingers :)

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juski:

|Torg|: lol yes

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juski:

it's spent too long as a Windows keyboard so it's had a lot of abuse

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juski:

i.e. not so much an input device as it was a punch-bag

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Eradan:

You use a keyboard i windows ?.. i thought you did everythinb w/ the mouse ?

[22:07:20]

|Torg|:

mine suffers from alcohol and coffee

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juski:

it's had a good innings, I'll give it that

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|Torg|:

of course if my wife and I would keep drinks away fromt eh keybaords :)

[22:07:57]

gbee:

|Torg|: heh, mine too

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juski:

erm.... (does some sums...).... 10 years!

[22:08:24]

|Torg|:

I actlay have spare keybaords in the closet becase I abuse them so much

[22:08:28]

GreyFoxx:

Hehe my main keyboard (at work now) is an old Atari keyboard

[22:08:36]

GreyFoxx:

I have an adapter on it so I can use it :)

[22:08:52]

juski:

you know when windows locks up & you do the "repeatedly slam your hands on the keyboard in frustration" sequence...

[22:08:53]

GreyFoxx:

I've had it for about 18 years now :)

[22:09:18]

gbee:

juski: just beats mine, which I've had for 9 years – replaced it a couple of years back but the replacement only lasted 8 months, so I dug it out from storage again

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juski:

I opened it up to disable the rubbish 'extra keys' by putting sticky tape in the matrix. the number pad hasn't worked since

[22:10:28]

gbee:

never thought to just not use them?

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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juski:

they get in the way when I'm cleaning ;)

[22:11:06]

GreyFoxx:

You could disconnect it first ;)

[22:11:07]

juski:

this box takes so damn long to shut down it's a pain

[22:11:19]

juski:

and go... under my desk? god no!

[22:11:39]

GreyFoxx:

just tell people where you went and to send asearch party if you don;t return

[22:11:54]

** juski sniggers **

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juski:

damn. I put my themes back in the wikiwikiwiki & still no hits from it :(

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juski:

spurned, spurned I tell thee!

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juski:

ach well. their loss

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|Torg|:

did you make it gren yet? that's why :P

[22:13:10]

** GreyFoxx scans in more of his transcoded dbd's **

[22:13:14]

GreyFoxx:

dvd's

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gbee:

reminds me of that woman who died unplugging a tv or something in her room – reached behind the bookcase and got wedged

[22:13:59]

gbee:

:(

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GreyFoxx:

ouch

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juski:

and that bloke who died loving a chicken & got stuck in some cave or other

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|Torg|:

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/11/25/Tampabay/Sh . . . d_miss.shtml

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gbee:

only this wasn't an urban legend – at lease the BBC didn't seem to think so ;)

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|Torg|:

no its real, my only question is after 9 days shoudlnt the body smell a bit?

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gbee:

depends – although the fact it was in Florida i.e. warm and damp suggests that it probably should have done

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juski:

jesus

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juski:

anyway I have to scoot orf... need to be up early tomorrow

[22:19:03]

juski:

g'night all

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|Torg|:

gnight

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GreyFoxx:

Man, the QT image loading+scaling isn't very snappy

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geemark:

ivtv1: i2c hardware 0x00000001 (cx2584x) not found for command 0xc008561c!

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geemark:

<-- what does that mean??

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geemark:

it autodetects the chip, and then says, it does not exist?

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|Torg|:

did you load the firmware for the card?

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|Torg|:

http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=FirmwareVersions

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geemark:

|Torg|, yes, the firmware should be loaded

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geemark:

hmm, andwhy doesnt't the cards show up in /dev/video* when it says it has registered them there?

[22:32:27]

alsoconfused:

pwd

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alsoconfused:

d'oh

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geemark:

?

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alsoconfused:

don't mind me.

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geemark:

irc != shell ;)

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alsoconfused:

geemark: any luck?

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geemark:

nope :(

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alsoconfused:

try unloading ivtv, make sure you have videodev loaded, then reload ivtv

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geemark:

videodev not found – guess it's built-in

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alsoconfused:

you did a depmod -a, right?

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psm321:

why would a +0 recording be chosen instead of +1 in a conflict?

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geemark:

alsoconfused, well, somehow i trashed it now :( working on it remotely heh

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alsoconfused:

psm321: does the +1 show replay at a later time?

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psm321:

i dont think so... if it did it wouldnt be showing up as a conflict

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gbee:

the +1 recording is being shown at a later date and you've told myth to allow recording later showings of higher priority schedules?

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psm321:

plus i dont think it actually does

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psm321:

gbee: huh?

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gbee:

heh – good point

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gbee:

psm321: nevermind, asking the same thing as alsoconfused

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psm321:

just double-checked, it doesnt replay within the 2 week listing window

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alsoconfused:

psm321: -v schedule ?

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gbee:

no other high priority recordings around that time, which overlap?

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psm321:

not higher, there is another equal priority recording which overlaps, but theres 2 tuners

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psm321:

So i have: 6pm — show A — tuner 1, priority 0

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psm321:

(thats 6–6:30)

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psm321:

6–7pm , show B, tuner 2, priority 1

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psm321:

6:30–7, show C, tuner 1, priotity 0

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psm321:

and 6:30–7, show D, conflict, priority 1

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psm321:

and i dont see why show c and show d arent reversed

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alsoconfused:

both tuners are tied to the same source/listings?

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psm321:

yep

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psm321:

although

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psm321:

i think i used to have some channel priorities, let me check those

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gbee:

was just going to ask about that

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psm321:

i also have tuner 2 preferred to tuner 1 in general

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psm321:

nope no channel priorities

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alsoconfused:

psm321: that occured to me, but don't/shouldn't those priorities weigh less that the actual schedule?

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psm321:

huh?

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gbee:

scheduling is insanely complex – not without it's quirks

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psm321:

yeah i've seen bugs before

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psm321:

i think this is one, unless i'm missing something

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psm321:

too bad i have recordings all the time so its hard to find a good time to restart backend with -v

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gbee:

are A and C on the same channel?

[22:54:57]

psm321:

nope

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alsoconfused:

any start-early or end-late settings in play?

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gbee:

problem is that these sorts of bugs are hard to solve as they only tend to make the scheduling code even more complicated and prone to further corner case type bugs

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psm321:

i have +/- 2 minutes as a global setting, i dont think theres any on these schedules but i'll check

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gbee:

otherwise you'll just have to manually override and keep one eye on upcoming recordings

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psm321:

yeah except this same conflict happens almost every weekday

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psm321:

still i'm happy to do it manually since my priorities arent exact anyway

[22:57:15]

psm321:

i was just wondering why it happened

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gbee:

:/

[22:58:07]

psm321:

well no early/late start settings on any of them

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alsoconfused:

psm321: if you pastebin the output of mythbackend -v schedule, maybe something will pop out at one of us

[22:58:12]

psm321:

but, i might have found something

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psm321:

ok, i can do that in about an hour

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alsoconfused:

psm321: if you do that, include the summary you typed above

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psm321:

it might all be a misunderstanding on my part

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psm321:

there are no priorities on any of the schedules

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psm321:

i was going by the "Record All +1 Conflicting" label, maybe that +1 means something else

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psm321:

sorry to waste your time

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psm321:

oh also, in case its relevant, i stress myth way beyond the average user, which i think leads me to discovering a lot of edge cases (although i guess this isnt one)

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psm321:

like the reason i noticed the conflict in the first place is i wanted to restart with -v database to find out why things were taking 15+ seconds (enough for the frontend to timeout)

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psm321:

when it used to be a lot faster with the same huge db

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psm321:

is there any way to get the scheduler to run at a different priority? i think its screwing up my recordings by taking up too much cpu

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gbee:

the scheduler is just one big sql query, so looking at adjusting the prorities of mysql

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psm321:

both the match and place part?

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obgynot:

my mythtv commercial removal is a little over-eager... it's always cutting out the 'previously on....' and sometimes whole parts of the show...

[23:38:24]

obgynot:

I've tried 'blank frame' and 'all available methods'

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obgynot:

now I'm trying 'blank frame + scene change'

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obgynot:

anyone know which method works best for crappy network shows?

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Eradan:

I use 'all available' and it's worked well so far.

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psm321:

same here for the most part

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psm321:

are you sure its cutting out large parts of the show as opposed to not detecting commercials?

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psm321:

because the symptoms would be similar

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psm321:

if you do manual skip

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obgynot:

I let it skip automatically

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obgynot:

and then backed up and let it skip again

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psm321:

(i have that problem)

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psm321:

oh ok

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psm321:

n/m about that then

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obgynot:

it seems to be a problem only at the beginning and end of shows

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obgynot:

it works well within the show

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obgynot:

anyone know what the 'Experimental' mode does?

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obgynot:

I'm afraid to try it because of the name...

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psm321:

i'd think any adverse effects would be limited to detection

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psm321:

but i cant say that for sure

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alsoconfused:

obgynot: have you tried 'strict'?

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obgynot:

the help for strict seems to imply it would be more aggressive about removing commercials

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obgynot:

so, no I haven't tried it

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gbee:

it may cause your machine to come alive and eat small children

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obgynot:

I'll put some heavy books on top of it

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alsoconfused:

obgynot: either you or i read it backwards. "disable if commercials not detected"

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obgynot:

aha

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obgynot:

so I should enable if it's gone crazy

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obgynot:

I'll try strict and 'all available' again

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alsoconfused:

i might try that to as mine also tends to remove the "previously on" footage

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alsoconfused:

s/to/too/

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obgynot:

thanks all

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