Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 00:04 UTC

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Led-Hed:

anyone got a few minutes to help me with LIRC in Ubuntu. I've been using Fedora for the past 3 years and dont have much experience with Ubuntu

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tha_toadman:

does 'mytharchive' work well with .20? has anyone used it here?

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BULLE:

Led-Hed: its the same lirc, in ubuntu as fedora

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Led-Hed:

tha_toadman, I couldnt ever get it working

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BULLE:

Led-Hed: so there is no difference in creating lircrc files etc

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tha_toadman:

led-hed, bummer

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tha_toadman:

sounds like something i'd like to do but i'm skeptical

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Led-Hed:

BULLE, I understand the LIRC is the same program. but configuring it to load at boot etc... is different

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BULLE:

Led-Hed: so better ask on #ubuntu then, as that is a ubuntu specific problem

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Led-Hed:

BULLE, honestly I'll find more Ubuntu+LIRC users here than #Ubuntu

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zippytech:

any one seen this, i have been recording from my vcr to my myth box to burn to dvd, this works great, problem i have is that a cannot rename the files after its done

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zippytech:

any ideas

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Led-Hed:

but I'll give #Ubuntu a shot also

[00:09:39]

Led-Hed:

zippytech, permissions?

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Milosch:

it'll load at boot just fine, but loading instance #2 is trickier

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zippytech:

hmm been looking just don't see any logs preventing it

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zippytech:

hmm just chomd 777 to myth folder

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zippytech:

any idea's

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zippytech:

it let me do it one time and now i get nothing no errors or any thing

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zippytech:

do you have to trancode after or does it matter

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zippytech:

at this point i am guessing

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tha_toadman:

what would be the cheapest frontend for mythtv in my living room? i'm thinking a used xbox for ~100 bucks and then picking up a remote for it...does that sound like a good idea?

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Dr_willis:

Theres that Hauppage MVP – for like $90 – but not sure how much of a frontend it does.

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Dr_willis:

i saw them on a web site the other day

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tha_toadman:

i'll look into that and see what it says

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Dr_willis:

you have to mod the x box dont ya?

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tha_toadman:

yeah – i think you can softmod it though

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tha_toadman:

i don't want to solder anyway :-)

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Dr_willis:

was looking at that Hauppagemvp the other day.. not sure what featrures it has – may just be able to play videos.

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tha_toadman:

i saw the apple itv too but it might be somewhat restricted

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Dr_willis:

i wouldent trust/touch anything from apple or sony. ;)

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BULLE:

crapple

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Dr_willis:

and Balogny

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Dr_willis:

Sony's PSP is such a waste of potential. :(

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tha_toadman:

i'm actually trying to get a mythtv frontend running on a buddy's ps3 later tonight

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tha_toadman:

courtesy of gentoo linux

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tha_toadman:

dr_willis: http://www.mvpmc.org/

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Dr_willis:

tha_toadman, yea – that gizmo has a lot of tweaking abuilty

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H00chster:

I have quite a few of the mediamvp's but have yet to really get it setup as a frontend for myth, but haven't had a lot of time to try yet

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Dr_willis:

id just like to be able to play the various avi and other files/recordings i got on the mythtv box

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tha_toadman:

h00chster: bummer – it sounds like it could work though, just takes some time

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tha_toadman:

dr_willis: same here

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Dr_willis:

the idea of tft booting the little mini thing is cool.

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Dr_willis:

be nifty if one could make a little micro-pc like that mvp. add a usb port or 2.

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H00chster:

tha_toadman I am sure it works obviously heh just haven't gotten it to yet! but it isn't a full fledged frontend, keep in mind. it supposedly will do livetv and recordings , think you might be able to set timers up, but it is all stuff you have to fumble back and forth with menus on. but haven't even gotten recordings to play back yet heh, but have listed them lol

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Dr_willis:

if it could use mythtweb interface – ya could do some nifty things.

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Dr_willis:

but i dont have the $$ to spend .

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H00chster:

ya that would be nice

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tha_toadman:

that would be

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tha_toadman:

h00chster: if it just does livetv and plays recording, then mission accomplished (in my opinion) :-)

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H00chster:

think my problems might rise from the fact I am trying to use my router's dhcp so I have to use a python script to get it to boot it from the tftp, which I don't think uses the config file it wants to use so gotta figure out how to get past that.

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H00chster:

lol ya as long as it does the recordings and livetv all is well especially for the little thing heh, it doesn't have much memory to do much more, but just would be nice to have a closer gui to myth heh

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H00chster:

but gotta make it work might goof with it more tonight if I hav etime hehe, haven't tried in awhile

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tha_toadman:

sounds good, i'd like to hear your progress with it

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tha_toadman:

if you can get it working and all – i'm in the market for something to put out here in the ol' living room ;-)

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H00chster:

I built 2 remote frontends for the living rooms, heh but figured the mvp's would be good for the bedrooms where they won't get as much use

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tha_toadman:

what'd you use for the remote frontends? specs and such...

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H00chster:

I can make it boot and make it see my backend but can't do much from there but thinking I might have to do something different with the config file since I am not using a server based dhcp server to define the tftp stuff

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H00chster:

well I had some old Athlon 2600's laying around, but that is overkill

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H00chster:

you could easily do a frontend I am sure with a 1g or higher, prob even lower just be slow

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Dr_willis:

ive seen $100 linux box's at the stores :) rather minimal.. wonder if they have a tv out on the built in video.

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Dr_willis:

they were using that AMD 1750 integerated cpu/video thing i belive

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H00chster:

might work dunno, only have experience with nvidia

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tha_toadman:

i'm thinking the xbox or else the mvp would work best for me – unless dr_willis you have a link or anything for one of those linux boxes?

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H00chster:

I have a few xbox's as well heh and started to do full frontends on them but having issues finding proper sources for support, since I use svn trunk of myth you have to match the release version, and xbox's only support 2.4 kernel and finding sources for that is rough

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H00chster:

xbox is ideal though

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Dr_willis:

tha_toadman, they are just little cheap machines on sale at the local Frys Electronics.

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tha_toadman:

i see

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Dr_willis:

with that NX1750 CPU i belive, 40gb hd. 256 ram.

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tha_toadman:

dr_willis: don't have a local frys ;-)

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Dr_willis:

ive not bought one yet.. been watching the prices drop on them.

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Dr_willis:

they were $150 – every week they drop like $5

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Dr_willis:

down to $100 now i noticed.

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tha_toadman:

cool – keep going! :-)

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Dr_willis:

guys at work buy them and put on some 'other' os for their faimley/cheap pc's

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Dr_willis:

they dont even come with keyboard or mouse. :)

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tha_toadman:

lol

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tha_toadman:

i can't find it on their website

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tha_toadman:

wow that's low

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tha_toadman:

i'd be nice to have a diskless system which makes the mvp appealing but the xbox would be a full fledged front end though.. :-S

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Dr_willis:

I cant even find any web sites that sell the thing.

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Dr_willis:

aparently its compatiable with the anthalon cpus

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Dr_willis:

so it can go in many mb's (older ones atleast) :)

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tha_toadman:

hmm...interesting

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Dr_willis:

cant even find the thing mentioned on the frys website.. they advertise them about once a month.

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tha_toadman:

yeah – i couldn't either, oh well, must be a local thing :-)

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Dr_willis:

may be.

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wylie:

Record at any time on channel. Does that infer on channel, stationid, etc? I have multiple sources of HDTV content (Firewire and QAM256 cable via HDHomeRun and Air2PC). Right now, I have channel 708 and 908 are both KAETDT. How best to setup so the recorder would try the firewire tuner, but if busy, record on the other channel. Or is the correct solution to have many sources providing the same channel number?

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Dr_willis:

walmart use to have cheap linux pcs

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tha_toadman:

i'm going to narrow it down to either MVP or else the xbox i think

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russK:

my schedule info is gone ... i think my free subscription might have run out ... how do i fix it? i'm willing to start paying if it's reasonable.

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Dr_willis:

you go to the web site and fill out their silly questionare every few months

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Dr_willis:

look under the system info 'area' to see if your subscription has expired

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russK:

is it under mythtv-setup somewhere or through the front end?

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Dr_willis:

in the info area of the front end

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Dr_willis:

where ya can see the drive space used, and so on.

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tha_toadman:

do you have to run the '...filldatabase' each time you re-subscribe or not...

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Dr_willis:

info center -> system status.

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Dr_willis:

if your expired... no idea...

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Dr_willis:

it proberly rembers your settings for some time

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Dr_willis:

"listing status" --> tells all sorts of info.

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tha_toadman:

cuz i remember in the 'auto run "mythfilldatabase"' in the setup

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Dr_willis:

DataDirect Status --> "Your subscription expires on 03/12/07" :)

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Dr_willis:

so i need to go there on or befor that day i guess and answer their silly poll/questions I guess

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russK:

mine doesn't expire until 02/03/07 but it says there's no guide data available, and mythfilldatabase ran on the 20th but did not insert an...

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xris:

russK: run by hand and look for errors?

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xris:

Dr_willis: yup. and the poll has been blank for many months

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Dr_willis:

xris, not much of a poll eh. :)

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Dr_willis:

wait for the presidential elections to take off!

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** Dr_willis checks the tv listings **

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Dr_willis:

The guys there do have a nice tv listing web site now.

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xris:

Dr_willis: not as nice as mythweb. can't schedule recordings from there. heh.

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Dr_willis:

the layout of the listing is a little niceer in some ways

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Dr_willis:

but the wife just needs a site she cen see the listings.

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wylie:

xris; do you know the answer to best practice on setup of same on channel from two different sources (and so different channel # from mythfrontend) so that recording for a particular show will use the multiple channels that are the same network on different sources?

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Dr_willis:

then she yells at me "hay record this one!"

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xris:

wylie: as long as the callsign is the same, mythtv will treat them as the same channel.

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wylie:

excellent. i couldn't remember

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Dr_willis:

It seems that the channels now a days repeate the same shows over and over for a week... then change to another batch

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Dr_willis:

Discovery channel and the Science Channel need to share some more

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Dr_willis:

Got a digital cable box here on the tv upstairs – i cant record from it. yet. :) just the normal lower channels.

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xris:

Dr_willis: upgrade to HD and use firewire. heh.

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Dr_willis:

not going to happen any time soon xris

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Dr_willis:

the cable guys here dont even have a hd tuner/firewire stuff.. that i know of.

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xris:

where are you?

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v jams

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Dr_willis:

Indiana.

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xris:

no HD at all?

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zigovr3:

hi all, how much does mythtv supports teletext ?

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russK:

mythfilldatabase seems to be working by hand ... maybe i did not have it running automagically

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Dr_willis:

just need the digital box to get the channels over 60. I THINK theres a few channels/shows that are hd.. but not many. perhaps 4 tops...

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xris:

russK: the setting is in the frontend, if you want to go poking for it.

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Dr_willis:

but i dont have a hd tuner anyway.. and no hd tvs

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xris:

Dr_willis: odd. analog goes up to 99.

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Dr_willis:

xris, they just dont have stuff above 60

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Dr_willis:

actually it may be 65 – they added a few channels a few mo ago.. More shopping channels!

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Dr_willis:

its $7 a mo – to get the digital box/stuff which doubled my channels.. but i gotta watch them upstairs. heh.

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Dr_willis:

of course wife just wanted her lifetime movie and other channels

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Dr_willis:

as if i dont record enough stuff to watch..

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xris:

heh

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Dr_willis:

been watching 'fosters home for imaginary friends' :)

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Dr_willis:

one of the more amuseing cartoons out.

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Dr_willis:

Im suprised theres not more Justice League eposoides in the works. or some spinoffs

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BULLE:

so, if anyone of you live in the states or uk, when does battlestar galactica air ?

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xris:

BULLE: 10pm PST for me

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Dr_willis:

BULLE, from what i just saw on the tv guides.. about 4 times tonight. :)

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BULLE:

anyone can tell me in UTC time ? =)

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Dr_willis:

or was that last night

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Dr_willis:

scifi channel likes to show it once... then again 3 hrs later.

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BULLE:

ah

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kormoc:

Mmm... Kaylee...

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Dr_willis:

they need to reair the old Battlestar Glacatia shows! :)

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Dr_willis:

and Space 1999 – and Buck Rodgers!

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Dr_willis:

:)

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kormoc:

they do

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Dr_willis:

i never can find them

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kormoc:

randomly they'll air like 8 old shows in a week

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Dr_willis:

and What the Heck is this StarTrek 2.0 i see.. its liek Startrek eps.. with some Computer/News/Scrolling border around the show...

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Dr_willis:

Think thats on the G4 channel

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Dr_willis:

g4 used to be 'tech tv' ?

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kormoc:

aye

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Dr_willis:

just started getting that channel last week.

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kormoc:

"Chat about the episode and see your commetary broadcast live."

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Dr_willis:

wow...

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** kormoc waits for ansi goatse.cx to get sent and the chat to go away **

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Dr_willis:

heh – the g4 video stuff works under linux!

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Dr_willis:

at least the videos of the comercials work.

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squish102:

i have a problem with ffmpeg: FC6 atrpms and i get: ffmpeg: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.51: undefined symbol: dlclose help?

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squish102:

please dont ask me to compile ffmpeg from source, because that is normally impossible. can any1 give me any other advice?

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sourk12:

Anyone got a couple mins to help a newbie install mythtv on slackware ?

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sourk12:

or know what the error "no hotlist set" means

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Ediehow:

help, sometimes when i record things, it "jumps" in the recording

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Ediehow:

my machine is plenty fast enough

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Ediehow:

and i have hardware encoding

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sourk12:

Edie what distro do you use

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bwallen__:

I was looking at antennaweb, and I should be able to receive a channel call i... does anyone know what that is?

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xris:

bwallen__: antennaweb usually lists the callsign, etc.

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AngryElf_:

is anyone here aware or familiar with a frontend for a media center specifically geared towards a touch screen?

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psofa:

err what was that new way of streaming video with myth called?

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys :)

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Mattwj2005:

anyone know of some software that can play a pchdtv-5500 in Windows?

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Mattwj2005:

I can't get the HDTV channels to play :(

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AngryElf_:

Mattwj2005, last I checked the PCHDTV website specifically states that there are no windows drivers for their cards

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psofa:

ah yes upnp

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psofa:

so can myth do livetv via upnp?

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Dr_willis:

psofa, not that ive seen

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Dr_willis:

ive gotten it to do recordings via upnp.

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psofa:

:( that would be cool

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Dr_willis:

live – only 1/2 an hr later... ;)

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Dr_willis:

id rather wait and let it zap the commercials

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psofa:

i mean recordings can be easily be done with samba and vlc

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Dr_willis:

yep i do that also.

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Dr_willis:

I been testing out GeeXBoX lately on some laptops

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simcop2387:

mythfrontend doesn't cope well with 96khz audio output only :( (messing with my dmix settings, trying to get the highest quality output possible [my card does 96khz!])

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kormoc:

simcop2387, you'd need to use a alsa plugin to resample the output freq to 96 khz, but really, there's no point

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kormoc:

simcop2387, you're only ever going to get what plays back, the soundcard can't increase the quality beyond the first sample

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Mattwj2005:

I know this isn't a MythTV question but I thought you guys could help :)

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Mattwj2005:

there are drivers

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Mattwj2005:

I know because I got them to install

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simcop2387:

kormoc: i know but i'd like to support going that high if i ever get it

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Mattwj2005:

I just need a program to play the HDTV channels

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BULLE:

Mattwj2005: as you have said yourself, this is a mythv related channel, not a windows media playback related channel

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kormoc:

Mattwj2005, http://www.pchdtv.com/faq.php#faq0000005

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kormoc:

Mattwj2005, "The HD-5500 is know to work on windows 32 bit systems with ATI graphics cards running the ATI multimedia Center."

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kormoc:

that's all anyone can tell you

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Mattwj2005:

yeah I can't get the ATI multimedia center to install :(

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kormoc:

then you're out of luck

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Dr_willis:

call tech support. :)

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Mattwj2005:

there has to b e a way

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Dr_willis:

'reformat/reinstall/try again' :)

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kormoc:

Dr_willis, they only support linux

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Mattwj2005:

I can get the analog channel under Vlc

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BULLE:

phone ati support and get ati multimedia center installed ?

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Dr_willis:

What! linux support! egads! whats the world comming to!

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Mattwj2005:

thanks anyways for your help :)

[02:23:24]

kormoc:

Dr_willis, I love it, the only HDTV card designed from ground up for linux and someone wants to use it in windows. amazing

[02:23:40]

drmikecrowe:

Hi folks, I'm not a MythTV n00b, but it's driving me crazy. Latest: up/down doesn't change the tuner. OSD display changes, but actual channel doesn't. What could I have done?

[02:23:59]

kormoc:

drmikecrowe, press enter, does it change the channel then?

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psofa:

lol

[02:24:25]

drmikecrowe:

doh

[02:24:27]

drmikecrowe:

rof

[02:24:29]

drmikecrowe:

rofl

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psofa:

<drmikecrowe> Hi folks, I'm not a MythTV n00b

[02:24:38]

psofa:

:P

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xris:

drmikecrowe: what tuner?

[02:24:53]

Dr_willis:

kormoc, perhaps some day.. i will be able to afford such a card.

[02:24:54]

Dr_willis:

:)

[02:25:06]

Dr_willis:

perhaps some day i will be able to watch.. err... somthing in HD.

[02:25:09]

kormoc:

hehe

[02:25:30]

Dr_willis:

kormoc, saw a show on G4 last night – aparently one of the leaders in HD dvd/vidows.. is.. err.. the Porn Industry.

[02:25:31]

Dr_willis:

:)

[02:25:37]

Mattwj2005:

just don't try and do it in Windows ;)

[02:25:44]

drmikecrowe:

(looking)

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drmikecrowe:

bttv0: using tuner=8

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xris:

Dr_willis: porn industry generally leads the charge for new distribution techniques

[02:25:54]

kormoc:

Dr_willis, they're the leader in all new video techs :P

[02:26:06]

xris:

drmikecrowe: analog cable?

[02:26:14]

wylie:

xris: from prior question/answer. does this mean that you can in fact give multiple channels the same channum if they are on different sources?

[02:26:14]

drmikecrowe:

Yeah, coax

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lborreso1:

i need a bit of advise -

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drmikecrowe:

xris: Had to get it set up to record battlestar galactica!

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xris:

wylie: better to stick with freqid.. in some places (like the US), the channum is tied to the frequency.

[02:27:21]

xris:

drmikecrowe: odd. could always go with the old standby and see if a reboot helps.

[02:27:28]

lborreso1:

I am having all sorts of problems with Fedora, MythTv and my PVR-350

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** xris waits for lborreso1 to actually ask a question **

[02:28:02]

wylie:

right now, my current process is go to channel 708 (arbitrary hd channel). if it is busy, then i go to another source, but today it is mapped as 908. could they not both be 708? so tht when i go to 708 and it is unavail in the first source, it will try the next source with the chan avail?

[02:28:08]

drmikecrowe:

xris: working now. I was bouncing back and forth to tvtime to test that it wasn't me that I was forgetting to press enter. I had fired up xawtv one time, and thought I froze the card.

[02:28:12]

lborreso1:

Should I keep trying to fix all the holes and bugs or try a different solution

[02:28:49]

xris:

lborreso1: you still haven't said what the problem is.

[02:29:00]

wylie:

and i could see this being valuable for other overlapping channels (from different sources, but same schedules)

[02:29:02]

lborreso1:

different os, different software

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lborreso1:

what problem havent I had

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xris:

lborreso1: again, what is the specific problem you're running into? so far, you've only said that you have some problem and that it's probably related to either fedora, mythtv or your pvr-350

[02:29:53]

Dr_willis:

or one or more of the above...

[02:29:58]

Dr_willis:

or all of the above.

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lborreso1:

currently I cant get my 350's tv out to work

[02:30:18]

xris:

lborreso1: from that, I can infer that your HD cable box blew up, and you can't tune any channels.

[02:30:22]

lborreso1:

I get sound on the tv but no video

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xris:

lborreso1: 350 video output isn't really supported by mythtv since the X driver got added.

[02:30:52]

xris:

and personally, you're WAY better off just getting a cheap nvidia card to use for tv-out.

[02:31:13]

Dr_willis:

Hmm.. The pvr350 has a tv out? i keep messing up and plugging my 150's svideo in, to the tv by mistake.. instead of the video cards tv out.

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xris:

wylie: again, that depends on whether or not channum is important to you.

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xris:

Dr_willis: that's what makes the 350 special. hardware decoder. it's a huge pain, though.

[02:31:58]

Dr_willis:

xris, heh – yea i rember reading about it now.. a cool feature that no one uses :)

[02:33:57]

xris:

wylie: mythtv is smart enough to know that "scifi" on both tuners is the same channel, and will record on #2 if #1 is busy recording something else. I don't know what you're talking about with the other stuff.

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wylie:

s not important where I will be duplicating)

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xris:

wylie: the problem is that in the US, the channum and the frequency are tied together.

[02:37:39]

xris:

you can't go to channel 5 and expect that it gives you channel 705

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wylie:

even when mplexid is not 32767?

[02:39:09]

xris:

wylie: no clue there

[02:39:16]

wylie:

and i thought freqid was honored now, and no longer tied to channum?

[02:39:46]

wylie:

ah, either way. i'll give it a shot and see how/if it works

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xris:

wylie: yeah, dunno. I need channum since that's how the firewire box is controlled

[02:41:47]

wylie:

yes. i am using firewire too. but i am not remapping the firewire channels. only ATSC QAM256 channels.. we'll see what happens. i thought even channel changing over firewire had moved to freqid... but haven't verified that.

[02:42:20]

xris:

dunno. I just thought it sent a signal down the firewire cable to mimic the remote.

[02:43:25]

wylie:

yes, but does it call from freqid when mplexid not set, or does it still use channum. if it uses freqid for firewire bits, might work right... trying right now

[02:45:08]

wylie:

ya! it works

[02:48:48]

wylie:

[clarification; i verified that i can set the hdhomerun channels the same as the corresponding firewire channels that i get from my sa3250. the firewire is the preferred tuner. if i put in channel 708, i get channel 708. if i go to another frontend and go to 708, it uses the hdhomerun channel that i previously had on 908.

[02:55:56]

nuonguy:

I have a question about modes

[02:56:06]

nuonguy:

How do you set the ivtv driver to 720x480?

[02:56:19]

nuonguy:

I have an fx5200 connected with an S-Video cable

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xris:

nuonguy: have you even looked under recording profiles, where all of that information is usually configured?

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nuonguy:

recording profiles?

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nuonguy:

xris: no I haven't

[03:07:06]

nuonguy:

/wanders off to look

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xris:

nuonguy: everything you want is there.. resolution, bitrate, etc.

[03:08:00]

nuonguy:

is that mythfrontend?

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amrit:

hi folks. is there some way to set myth to run a couple of commands before starting any new recording? i ask because i want myth to run an ivtvctl command to fix brightness/volume/etc settings before every recording.

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amrit:

i thought user jobs might allow this, but they don't seem to be executed before every recording, only at scheduled times.

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bwallen__:

does the pchdtv card have come with antenna?

[03:09:25]

bwallen__:

like just a small one

[03:09:47]

nuonguy:

xris: I don't know how bitrate etc mean to my TV habits, sadly

[03:11:05]

xris:

nuonguy: higher bitrate == bigger files == better quality video

[03:11:21]

xris:

bwallen__: why should it?

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[03:11:46]

xris:

a small hdtv antenna is still pretty big (18" square or so)

[03:12:21]

nuonguy:

but for a plain old CRT TV, I'm not going to get that much quality, so the bitrate, unless really, really low is not going to improve my experience, right?

[03:12:38]

bwallen__:

xris: ok, I was thinking it would come with something kind of the size of a wireless network pci card antenna

[03:13:17]

xris:

bwallen__: that would be too small to pick up the uhf signal

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bwallen__:

xris: gotcha... looks like I need to read up on antennas

[03:13:38]

xris:

nuonguy: possibly not.

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xris:

bwallen__: antennaweb.org

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xris:

that'll tell you what size to get, and which direction to point it.

[03:14:44]

bwallen__:

xris: ok, thanks

[03:15:29]

wylie:

xris: btw; mythweb has had some major improvements over the last weeks/month. great work.

[03:15:48]

xris:

wylie: thx. :)

[03:17:24]

wylie:

is silicon mechanics any relation to silicon dust?

[03:17:35]

xris:

doubtful

[03:17:46]

xris:

since I've worked at simech for years, and have no idea what the other is.

[03:18:43]

wylie:

and that answers the question ;

[03:19:02]

nuonguy:

It is still flickering!

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xris:

wylie: then no, no relation at all

[03:20:00]

nuonguy:

If I change that setting during a recording, will it be set right then or during the next recording?

[03:20:01]

wylie:

xris; do you have any channels on your firewire that come across with crap on the bottom (or sometimes left, could be any) edge? do you filter it?

[03:20:22]

wylie:

noonguy; i think next recording.

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EnterUserName:

hey all

[03:20:40]

nuonguy:

of course!

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psm321:

nuonguy: you could always restart mythbackend just to be sure....

[03:20:43]

EnterUserName:

Do anyone have the new PSP firmware 2.6 greater

[03:20:44]

nuonguy:

makes sense

[03:20:47]

EnterUserName:

i cant get mythtv to work with it...

[03:20:52]

EnterUserName:

id ont know the proper settings...

[03:21:02]

EnterUserName:

it keeps saying unsupported format.

[03:22:35]

EnterUserName:

anyone?

[03:24:45]

EnterUserName:

sigh i guess no one has psp :(

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nuonguy:

ah, beautiful, sweet, pretty TV

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EnterUserName:

hrm

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EnterUserName:

let me know if anyoen here as psp

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nuonguy:

psm321: thanks!

[03:28:20]

nuonguy:

that did it

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psm321:

:)

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psm321:

i make it a habit to restart mythbackend after changes... not sure if its strictly necessary but that way you dont have to worry about it

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xris:

wylie: by "crap" I assume you mean the overscan stuff? yeah, it's just part of the signal.

[03:33:39]

nuonguy:

Now I can watch the Dakar Rally 2007 coverage

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hi guys... I screwed up while building my new backend – I accidentally chose ext3 intstead of jfs for my video LVM — Trying to reformat it to jfs now, but it looks like I may not have jfs installed at all (no '/sbin/mkfs.jfs') I'm googling, but not finding what I need yet – any pointers? (sorry for stupid question...)

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squish102:

any1 have an idea how to fix a: ffmpeg: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.51: undefined symbol: dlclose

[03:38:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

(btw – distribution is FC6)

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nuonguy:

squish102: rpm -q --whatprovides /usr/lib/libavcodec.so

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J-e-f-f-A:

NM: Found 'jfsutils'...

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nuonguy:

squish: yum remove whatever; yum install whatever

[03:39:44]

nuonguy:

fixes some things for me

[03:40:06]

nuonguy:

J-e-f-f-A: I was going to say: yum search jfs

[03:41:09]

nuonguy:

The dakar rally coverage on OLN is mediocre, but the soundtrack is fun

[03:41:33]

nuonguy:

I wish they had an announcer who actually knows and likes the dakar

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J-e-f-f-A:

Now to get my HD-5500 working... It's not finding anything with a scan... :-(

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squish102:

nuonguy thanks i will try

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J-e-f-f-A:

(And yes, the antenna is plugged in and has signal — my HD-3000 in my old backend is working fine)

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nuonguy:

squish102: you should probably see a message like ffmpeg: depends on something else that yum tries to install

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squish102:

nuonguy the whatprovides was ffmpeg-devel. i removed and installed again, no joy :(

[03:46:42]

nuonguy:

are you calling the ffmpeg program directly?

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squish102:

yip from command line

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squish102:

but nuvexport and mythtv is blowing chunks too, because of it

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EnterUserName:

anyone with psp here yet:)

[03:48:13]

squish102:

and compiling it from source is abit of a struggle for me.... tried numerous times and the dependance hell is enough

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nuonguy:

sounds like your problem

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squish102:

let me check that link, i've google to death already

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nuonguy:

squish102: you're much braver than I

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nuonguy:

I wouldn't dare use --no-deps

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squish102:

yip i think i screwed up my machine a little more than what it was

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psm321:

shouldnt dlclose be coming from libc or something like that?

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russK:

i'm running mythfilldatabase and it's taking a long time, i guess it's working ... but why am i seeing "QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query .... Database error was: Table 'program' is marked as crashed and should be repaired"

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EnterUserName:

im going to try psp video 9 for converting mythtv to psp :)

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psm321:

russK: mysqlrepair -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg program

[04:00:29]

psm321:

(assuming your mythtv mysql user has the default password)

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russK:

awesome ... thanks psm321 ... i'll give it a whirl

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psm321:

squish102: did you try the x264 thing?

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psm321:

squish102: that sounds like it fixed it for everybody

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squish102:

psm321 yip i tried that

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squish102:

i think i need to reboot now and see if my system even reboots

[04:07:42]

squish102:

i have done so many rpm -e -nodeps and reinstalled, it is scary

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AngryElf_:

so, my video player settings are the default mplayer -fs zoom blah blah....but it's using the internal player, why's it doing that? v0.19

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AngryElf_:

it's also only my mpeg-2 videos that are doing it

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bwallen__:

does the hdhomerun box need an antenna?

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kormoc:

AngryElf_, you can set file types to play with different players

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AngryElf_:

yea, i just got that...thanx man

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wylie:

xris: (back from afk) yes, that is what i meant by crap. ;) do you just ignore it, or are you using filters?

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squish102:

ok that didn't work, my ffmpeg is still screwed up

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xris:

wylie: I use overscan

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xris:

which is the way the tv is supposed to work

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EnterUserName:

anyone using PSP with firmware higher then 2.6?

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wylie:

xris: i guess i am asking, how do you use overscan? is it documented on the wiki?

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EnterUserName:

man thats it im changing to gentoo :)

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wylie:

xris: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Overscan, i guess

[04:24:45]

wylie:

xris: are you using playback overscan adjustment settings?

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wylie:

and what is a reasonable % adjustment, if so?

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kormoc:

wylie, the reasonable amount is whatever works

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wylie:

fair enuf. ;) acceptable improvement with 1%

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squish102:

any1 know what the configure line would normally be for ffmpeg

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squish102:

gonna try compile from source again and see if i can get a working ffmpeg :(

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squish102:

xris dont u build your ffmpeg from source? i'm looking for the typical settings mythtv has for the configure

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amrit:

is there any way to make mythtv run a few arbitrary commands before it starts any recording?

[04:47:11]

amrit:

i need it to run a few commands to make sure some tuner settings are proper

[04:47:14]

ivx:

so are you guys using remotes then, or a keyboard to control myth tv

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kormoc:

I use a remote

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ivx:

kormoc, what tuner do you have?

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kormoc:

I have a m179 (rebranded pvr 250)

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kormoc:

but my remote didn't come with my tuner

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amrit:

i use a remote when it works :)

[04:48:21]

amrit:

(wintv pvr150)

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ivx:

*cards

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kormoc:

ivx, the pvr 500 is a dual tuner card

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ivx:

kormoc, what is the $ about for that

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Milosch:

$130ish if you look around, maybe a little more

[04:50:23]

Milosch:

US

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Milosch:

140 at newegg

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kormoc:

two pvr 150's are cheaper then one pvr 500

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EnterUserName:

does trhe pvr 500 have a blaster

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ivx:

okay so lets say i am going to setup myth tv, does the tuner card also do the output to my tv, or do i use a graphics card for this

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EnterUserName:

does the pvr 500 have a blaster?

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Milosch:

the mce kit does (whitebox kit)

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EnterUserName:

oh ok

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kormoc:

ivor, you should use a graphic's card

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EnterUserName:

brb booting into gentoo.. hopefully <fingers crossed>

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kormoc:

ivx, that was to you

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kormoc:

ivx, the pvr 350 can do tv out, but a pvr 150 + nvidia card is cheaper and better

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EnterUserName:

ivx: thats what i did.

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EnterUserName:

pvr 150 + nvidia card for tv out

[04:52:18]

EnterUserName:

i padi about 40 bucks for my nvidia card

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minra:

supposedly the 350 has a high quality video out... is it a driver problem?

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ivx:

kormoc, cool, so then for sound, i would use my soud card? or is there and out put on the tuner card?

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Milosch:

i need to get a better card, my nvidia makes everything look crap compared to the 350

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kormoc:

ivx, sound card

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ivx:

kormoc, sweet thanks

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kormoc:

minra, it's not that bad, but it's limited only to mpeg-2, so any interface and other video files are very very slow

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Milosch:

e.g. for a sports or other live event, it loses that live look

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ivx:

kormoc, how does the tv guide part for mythtv work. i am planning on just getting an antenna with a atsc tuner, will i get a guide

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minra:

oh silly me, kormoc :) of course

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kormoc:

ivx, if zap2it has your lineup or xmltv does, then yes, you would use those to grab the guide data

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ivx:

kormoc, sweet, thank you

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ivx:

one more question though, i heard you could use mythtv with a satallite, what do you need to do this

[04:55:52]

kormoc:

I use it with dish, I have the output of the satalite tuner box to the input of my tuner card, and a irblaster from my comptuer to the box, and thus myth controls the satalite receiver

[04:56:49]

ivx:

cool thank you very much, i am going to try to throw together a mythtv box.

[04:57:49]

Milosch:

btw, it seems that some people sell the 500 without the remote and blaster ;(

[04:58:09]

Milosch:

but mine came with them and was the white box

[04:58:12]

kormoc:

Milosch, yes, some 150 models also don't come with remote/blasters

[04:58:25]

kormoc:

Milosch, MCE editions tend not to, as MCE comes with a remote/blaster

[04:58:44]

kormoc:

Milosch, MCE editions have the adition of a radio tuner usually to offset it

[04:59:17]

Milosch:

i got that too, of course i can't use it ;)

[05:00:05]

Milosch:

bbiaf

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xris:

squish102: I don't anymore, and even if I did, that would be ffmpeg, not mythtv.

[05:19:27]

xris:

squish102: you could just look through mythtv's own configure file for what it does.

[05:26:09]

squish102:

ok thanks xris, mythtv's configure file does ffmpeg too?

[05:33:01]

marloshome:

i've been searching the web for why I'm getting a floating point exception on mythfrontend, but i'm not really finding much

[05:33:40]

marloshome:

this is on a new gentoo install

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brownjava:

running into an issue with mythtv where it's setting PCM capture volume when it starts up, but I need it to set just PCM playback volume...or else there's an echo on all the audio when it's played back

[05:36:23]

brownjava:

does anyone know how to force mythtv not to set the PCM capture volume but to only set the PCM playback volume?

[05:38:28]

xris:

squish102: no. mythtv does not USE ffmpeg. it just uses some of the same libraries that ffmpeg does (libavcodec, etc). they're included in mythtv's source files.

[05:39:12]

xris:

brownjava: framegrabbler/v4l card? you need SOME volume or you can't capture. what you need to do is mute the line-in. that's all covered in the documentation (which I recommend that you read)

[05:39:38]

xris:

marloshome: mythfrontend -v all

[05:40:16]

brownjava:

xris: it's a bttv card. I'm capturing the audio from my audigy2 card. audigy2 supports capturing from multiple interfaces...I've got the audio coming in on line in, so line in "capture" is set to 100%

[05:40:45]

brownjava:

xris: since mythtv sets the PCM capture volume, I'm capturing the initial input on line in, and then when it's played I'm re-capturing it as PCM, which causes the echo

[05:41:46]

brownjava:

xris: so I can hear the audio just fine, but with an echo...until I ssh into the box and run alsamixer, then turn the PCM capture volume down...but leave the PCM playback volume as is...line in capture I leave unaffected, since I need that to get the audio

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brownjava:

xris: line in playback is muted though

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marloshome:

xris, thanks, i'll try

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psm321:

marloshome: if you emerge'd it, make sure youre not using any weird CFLAGS

[05:54:42]

marloshome:

last line says something about VideoOutputNull()

[05:54:52]

marloshome:

then floating point excep

[05:55:24]

marloshome:

i don't know what would be weird, it's pretty much a generic install

[05:55:57]

marloshome:

CFLAGS="-O2 -march=i686 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"

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H00chster:

can myth handle symlinks for the recording directories as long as you set the permissions?

[06:00:30]

marloshome:

SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'DeinterlaceFilter' And hostname='marloshome';

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marloshome:

that's the last select before VideoOutputNull()

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H00chster:

can anyone tell me why when I have 3 tuners, 1 in use, other 2 free, that when a scheduled recording came up it aquired the tuner that was busy?

[06:17:39]

Dagmar:

Because the one that was busy was one that you were watching and you told it before to not ask you--to just change the channel

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H00chster:

I did heh

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H00chster:

I just assumed it always used the free tuner unless they were all busy then it asked?

[06:19:42]

H00chster:

where should I look to update it where it checks?

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H00chster:

In my frontend setup, the Avoid conflicts between live TV and scheduled shows? I take?

[06:24:45]

H00chster:

just assumed by default it would do that, but is that what u are referring to Dagmar?

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H00chster:

odd it was set that way by default on my remote frontends and I don't recall setting it on my master heh

[06:31:46]

H00chster:

but all is good, think that is the ticket, my live tv starts on the 3rd tuner now so it frees up the first 2 I guess is how it works

[06:31:51]

H00chster:

thanks Dagmar

[06:39:12]

H00chster:

or even in regards to recordings, if i setup a recording for an HD program, will myth know to use the system that can handle it?

[06:46:44]

visit0r:

kormoc: ?

[06:47:00]

visit0r:

kormoc: morning here now

[06:47:07]

kormoc:

Mornin'

[06:47:19]

kormoc:

visit0r, I was told you were working on a new imdb grabber?

[06:49:34]

visit0r:

kormoc: yes

[06:49:42]

visit0r:

kormoc: I just wrote a wrapper to the IMDbPy script

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kormoc:

visit0r, nifty, I'm rewriting mythweb's mythvideo interface

[06:50:07]

kormoc:

same format returned?

[06:50:27]

visit0r:

kormoc: yes, a list of metadata in Data: value pairs

[06:50:33]

visit0r:

kormoc: it's in the SVN HEAD

[06:50:51]

visit0r:

kormoc: in addition I wrote a script that scans videos and writes the metadata to .metadata files

[06:50:56]

kormoc:

niftyness, you wouldn't happen to know if it returns the full genra list correctly?

[06:51:01]

visit0r:

kormoc: tries to guess the video title from the file name /dir etc.

[06:51:10]

kormoc:

visit0r, yeah? benifit of that?

[06:51:32]

visit0r:

kormoc: easier addition of metatadata to mythvideo... just run find_meta.py -r

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visit0r:

kormoc: mythvideo is going to be able to import those metadata files automatically without needing to insert them to db

[06:51:51]

kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

visit0r, without the DB, mythweb's interface is gonna be rather slow

[06:52:38]

visit0r:

kormoc: does it list all the video files in one screen?

[06:52:42]

kormoc:

visit0r, yes

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visit0r:

kormoc: ok, then you might want to page it, nevertheless, I don't honestly think loading the metadata from txt files is that slow

[06:53:28]

visit0r:

kormoc: and we can always add possibility to import the metadata directly to DB in my script too

[06:54:08]

kormoc:

visit0r, it actually is... php isn't that fast at scanning files, that's perl's relm, and with the collections of a few thousand videos in a complex structure, it's gonna be dog slow

[06:54:15]

visit0r:

kormoc: anyways, this feature is useful when you are archiving the videos to DVD-ROMs: mythvideo is able to show metadata for videos played off the disc without needing to import in the MythDB

[06:54:28]

vanquish:

hey all. I have two pvr-150's. recently recompiled kernel, and reran mythtv-setup and re-entered in all the capture cards. Now in the frontend, says both tuners are unavailable. ivtv starts fine, init. ok. cat /dev/video{0,1} dumps stuff. what's wrong?

[06:54:30]

visit0r:

kormoc: ok, then you just don't support that in your web interface

[06:54:44]

kormoc:

visit0r, kinda useless without the metadata

[06:55:18]

visit0r:

kormoc: paging is impossible alternative?

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** kormoc ponders **

[06:56:34]

kormoc:

honestly, I don't like paging, it adds a nice bit of overhead to the page

[06:56:49]

kormoc:

each page adds three seconds or so to view content

[06:57:04]

kormoc:

so when I'm just browsing, say 20 pages is a tad annoying

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visit0r:

kormoc: hmm there seems to be no genres at the current output for some reason, I'll take a look at the script at some point

[06:57:20]

kormoc:

and some people with 10,000 videos or more is gonna suck

[06:57:52]

kormoc:

visit0r, yeah, imdb.pl only grabs the first one, I was going to attempt to fix it, but if yours is going to replace it, no need for me to bother :P

[06:57:57]

visit0r:

kormoc: right, importing the metadata directly to MythDB should work quite easily too

[06:58:16]

kormoc:

visit0r, yeah, that would be great

[06:58:28]

visit0r:

kormoc: it hopefully is, that way we can externalize the actual IMDb parsing to another project.. in addition, my script supports fetching episode data for series also

[06:58:37]

kormoc:

ooh! sweet :)

[06:59:21]

visit0r:

hmm in fact, importing directly to DB would make the script work with 0.20 too, nice motivation for me to implement it

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** kormoc laughs **

[06:59:35]

kormoc:

Thank you muchly :)

[06:59:57]

visit0r:

thank me after I've found the time to actually do it ;-)

[07:00:04]

visit0r:

(hopefully already today)

[07:00:25]

visit0r:

currently there's no SQL access at all in the script so I have to figure out which SQL lib to use, etc..

[07:00:40]

visit0r:

anyways, shouldn't be a prob..

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** kormoc nods **

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visit0r:

kormoc: oh yes, another motivation for the external metadata is that it's much easier to edit those by hand to improve the data than it is with the mythvideo interface

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** kormoc nods **

[07:01:47]

kormoc:

also much easier for mythweb to edit :)

[07:02:02]

kormoc:

ajaxing the interface up for the web plugin is making it much more useful

[07:02:15]

visit0r:

what kind of ajaxin you have in mind?

[07:02:22]

vanquish:

hey all. I have two pvr-150's. recently recompiled kernel, and reran mythtv-setup and re-entered in all the capture cards. Now in the frontend, says both tuners are unavailable. ivtv starts fine, init. ok. cat /dev/video{0,1} dumps stuff. what's wrong?

[07:04:04]

kormoc:

visit0r, it updates the page realtime for edits and imdb changes, so no refresh needed to see the changes

[07:04:27]

visit0r:

kormoc: ok, my script includes "an interactive mode" -i which also asks if there are multiple alternatives...

[07:04:54]

visit0r:

kormoc: you might want to call the find_meta.py from your interface instead...

[07:05:12]

visit0r:

kormoc: there is additional logic for figuring out the video title, so you don't have to duplicate effort in your php...

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** kormoc nods **

[07:05:45]

kormoc:

currently I just use the video title, but if I can pass it in, it will make the 'Update video database' bit a lot easier

[07:06:08]

visit0r:

kormoc: yes, it could just call find_meta.py and let it do it all...

[07:06:28]

visit0r:

kormoc: somehow the interaction needs to be figure out, but almost everything should be put into its responsibility, I think...

[07:06:32]

vanquish:

:(

[07:06:53]

kormoc:

vanquish, they're both in use?

[07:07:14]

vanquish:

kormoc: no, unable to be used "unavailable"

[07:07:47]

kormoc:

visit0r, yeah, as long as I can just request list of matches, and pass in a number to update a video to, that's about as much as I need

[07:08:50]

visit0r:

kormoc: right, I'll implement that kind of mode to that too (BTW this is devel stuff, we should discuss this at #mythtv)

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vanquish:

kormoc: any ideas?

[07:09:53]

kormoc:

vanquish, best I can offer is to run the backend in a terminal window and see what it says is going wrong

[07:10:38]

vanquish:

hmm

[07:10:41]

vanquish:

i'll try that

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vanquish:

thanks

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ivx:

hey is there a way to get good free tv programming, (legal of course). other that what i can get with an atsc tuner

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kormoc:

nope, OTA is all there is

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ivx:

:(

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ivx:

there are no websites that stream it good?

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kormoc:

not really

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kormoc:

google can help you find what's out there

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ivx:

alright thanks

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Jymmm:

I just want the front end to be a video jukebox in the living room, think it's possible to install in 64MB ?

[08:25:40]

Jymmm:

I have a Disk-on-a-chip I'd like to use if possible on an Intel CA810E mobo, 512mb ram, and 500 or 800 MHz P3

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Dagmar:

For those plagued by the frontend crashing when you go from LiveTV to the program guide, --disable-xvmc-opengl will fixor it

[08:26:29]

Jymmm:

No TV, no recording, no ripping.

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Dagmar:

Jymmm: *Maybe* at 800Mhz

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Jymmm:

Dagmar what's the drawback at 500MHz?

[08:30:07]

Dagmar:

Too damn slow to play back full screen content

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Jymmm:

No HD or anything. just old fashion s-video

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Dagmar:

Yeah, and you're talking about an underpowered-by-design 500Mhz CPU.

[08:31:30]

Dagmar:

But feel free to go ahead and do the footwork and buy one

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Jymmm:

Already have one or three =)

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Dagmar:

Well, then you're the best person to answer your own question

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Dagmar:

...but it's going to be playing it rather close at 500Mhz

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Jymmm:

Nah, somewhere out there is someone who's already tried.

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Dagmar:

I've got notebook that plays back fullscreen at 650Mhz but on battery at 500Mhz it's just *barely* able to keep up

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Jymmm:

under nix?

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Dagmar:

The first little thing that starts using CPU unexpectedly chokes it

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Jymmm:

or mythtv specifically

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Dagmar:

WTF you think I run this stuff under Windows?

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Jymmm:

hey, ya never know anymore =)

[08:33:42]

Dagmar:

You do when you work with Unix 7 days a week

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx I believe has a bunch of 733 mhz frontends, and he said that works well enough, but he wouldn't recommend any slower

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Jymmm:

is this <800 mtyh tv specifically, or even under nix alone?

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kormoc:

you can go lower, some will play, others won't

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kormoc:

also depends on screen res

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Jymmm:

NTSC

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Jymmm:

ok, will play around under nix on the slower machiens first to test them out. thanks.

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Milosch:

Dagmar: that's interesting, worth a try if it will let me keep glx

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Milosch:

for the menus, etc

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Dagmar:

Milosch: I'm not sure if it will let the menus fade still or not, I should go look

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juski:

morning

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juski:

lost my blimmin cable last night.. missed the start of the new series of '24'

[09:21:38]

juski:

and broadband :(

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hads:

Bummer :(

[09:22:28]

juski:

came back on about 3am though :)

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hads:

It feels odd when you have to go without 'net access.

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juski:

nah it was only frustrating because I couldn't check the service status

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hads:

I spend far too much time online so when I have to go without it feels odd.

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Hoondie:

Hello people, can someone quickly answer me this.. when i record, sometimes it works fine, other time's it turns out all screwey.. example is: http://imagebin.org/6983

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pat_:

hi, I"m having a problem with my isp. Let me know if http://www.panic.id.au/ works for you

[10:03:07]

pat_:

(it isn't for some people I know in .au, but...)

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rsdvd:

pat_ : works fine here in the UK

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pat_:

also let me know if https://www.panic.id.au/ works for you as well

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pat_:

rsdvd: hmm

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rsdvd:

your https worsk aswell – allbeit with an invalid certificate

[10:04:30]

pat_:

yeah, self signed :)

[10:04:43]

pat_:

probably cocked it up a little :)

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hads:

Go CACert

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pat_:

hmm, seems to be working for all now. I guess that's what happens when you post to the help forum of your isp

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Dagmar:

CACert FTW

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quicksilver:

so I got my extra tuners all working

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quicksilver:

and discovered my remote control was no longer working

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quicksilver:

it's just like 'a gasman came to call', I swear

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doc_:

hi there

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juski:

fscking spammers

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juski:

arghhh my cable company, on rebranding will be changing the channel packages

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juski:

music channels will then only be in the top package

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juski:

bastards

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juski:

I might have to learn not to hate $ky

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ivor:

juski: nooo! Don't do it!! you must hate Sky.

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Hoxzer:

SKY.?

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juski:

I do hate $ky, but not for any real reason other than I think Mordo's corp. is evil

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juski:

murdoch, even

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Beakster:

hi, i've got Lirc all set up and working, but problem is that when i press a button, it registers about 3 presses. Anyone know how to fix this?

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Dibblah:

Beakster: Make sed your friend :)

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Dagmar:

It's going to involve adding a little bit to every button's stanza in the config file.

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Dagmar:

Dibblah: Just to check, is there any place font files can be lobbed that Freetype (i.e., Myth) will see them that *isn't* in the FontPath declaration?

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Dibblah:

Umm... Why?

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Dibblah:

And not as far as I know.

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Dagmar:

Because I've gone to the trouble of cooking up two font files for an LCARS theme and I'd rather never see a single email to the effect of "The elbos look alright but the fonts are all wrong"

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Dagmar:

This is one of those things that I suspect would be helped by fontconfig, since you get ~/.fonts to just chuck them into

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Dibblah:

Beakster: cat .mythtv/lircrc |sed -e "/button/adelay = 3 repeat = 3" >.mythtv/lircrc2

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Dibblah:

Beakster: Or some similar variant.

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: You'd be better asking one of the theme designers ;)

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** Dibblah strokes his sed... **

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Dagmar:

Well, I kinda tend to not expect the artistic types (of which I am typically not) to know much of the technical side of things but it's worth a shot

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Dagmar:

...but man you can read a whole hell of a lot more with a narrow font

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Dibblah:

You'd be better asking someone who's not just a user I mean :)

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Dibblah:

Anyway, LCARS is just wrong.

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Dagmar:

why?

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Dagmar:

LCARS stands for Library Computer Access & Retrieval System.

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quicksilver:

Dagmar: hmm yes, narrow font program guide would be nice

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Dagmar:

It's kinda actually sort of what MythTV is..

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Dibblah:

Really? I'd never have guessed.

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Dagmar:

Just to make this clear, I am not a real big Star Trek fan and own not a single pair of plastic ears or rubber forehead lumps.

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Dibblah:

It's also fictional and designed to waste screen real-estate in all of the implementations I've seen :)

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Dagmar:

How much screen estate does a menu need to take up?

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Dagmar:

Most of the time there's all of five or six items there

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Dagmar:

besides which, the elbo works nicely in the program guide. :)

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Dibblah:

I'd bet it doesn't using RT data :)

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Dagmar:

RT data?

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Dibblah:

tv_grab_uk_rt

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Dagmar:

Hey, I make no claims of usability of any sort for anything using characters beyond the ASCII/latin-1 set

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Dibblah:

No – It's not that.

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Dagmar:

I don't have a clue what you're referring to then

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Dibblah:

Average description in RT is 80 words.

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Dibblah:

With quite a few going over 200.

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Dagmar:

NICE

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Dagmar:

There's nothing that would make that all fit into the little boxes on a TV, but it would probably be a little better with a narrow font

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Dibblah:

Possibly. But eliminating some of the borders helps.

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quicksilver:

'fitting more' would be great even if 'fitting all' isn't feasible :)

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Dibblah:

Even scrollbars would be nice. Usability would suffer a lot, though.

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Dibblah:

Okay. Average is actually 30 words :)

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juski:

whee there's blood on the floor of the lab

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juski:

words of advice... don't ever let anybody rifle through a box which may contain scalpel blades

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Dagmar:

You're supposed to write SHARPS on the box and seal it in plastic

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juski:

yeah I know that

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Dibblah:

Ouch. Also, don't put open-bladed knives in your pocket and forget about them.

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juski:

which is why I don't put used blades in the junk boxes

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quicksilver:

depends how much you like the rifler

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Dagmar:

Or label it "SOFT AND FLUFFY KITTENS FOR PETTING" and cut a hole in the top just large enough to stick a hand through

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Dibblah:

mysql -pmythtv -umythtv mythconverg --batch -e 'select length(description) from program;' |sort -n |uniq -c |sort -n

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Dibblah:

Err... Sorry.

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Dibblah:

Wrong damn window.

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Dagmar:

I dunna think ye need to use sort twice there

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Dibblah:

Longest description is 1380 characters.

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Dibblah:

Different reasons.

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Dibblah:

The first sort sorts by number of characters. uniq then prefixes that with the count. the second sort sorts by that count.

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Dagmar:

So dividing that by 7.52 you've got an average of 183 words per

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Dagmar:

...or if it's american cable, dividing by four

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Dagmar:

;)

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Dibblah:

7.52?

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Dagmar:

Average number of letters in a word

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Dibblah:

Oh.

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Dagmar:

Yes dependent on source type and all that, but it's as good a number as any

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Dagmar:

That's part of what makes four-letter words funny

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Dibblah:

You have a weak knee?

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** Dagmar gives up. **

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Dibblah:

Heh.

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Dibblah:

I have a knee capable of approx 900Nm static loading.

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Dibblah:

Actually, I have 2 of them.

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Dagmar:

Mine are probably about half that

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Dibblah:

Of course, they are on my mills :)

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Dagmar:

Already had the right one torn into by a sadist, er, worked on by an orthoscopic surgeon twice

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Dagmar:

I hope to avoid dealing with it again until Dr. Halbrecht has the go-ahead to start using polyurethane

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Dagmar:

When I'm 60 I'll probably have better knees than most 25-year olds

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Dagmar:

*Surely* it's got to be better than the current "pull out the fragments and then drill dozens of agonizing little holes in the end of the femur to make 'scar cartiledge'" approach

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Dagmar:

*Some* orthoscopic procedures are relatively painless and quick to recover from.

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Dagmar:

I've been lucky and both times gotten the procedure that makes Rugby players break out in a flop sweat

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Dibblah:

Heh. "Myth makes my remote crash".

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Dagmar:

It was kinda fun the last time tho, going in for the 3rd day checkup and seeing an actual Rugby player sweating and pale and having this "oh god I haven't slept in three days" look on his face

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Dagmar:

At least I'd been through it before so I knew it was going to hurt like that

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Dagmar:

There is a point at which most people will seriously wonder if it wouldn't have been better to just have the whole lower leg removed.

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Dibblah:

Okay. We're getting to the "too much information" stage :)

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Dagmar:

Hey, I'm just sayin'

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Dagmar:

If you know of someone having this type of knee surgery done, don't mock them for complaining about the pain

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Dagmar:

The first 36 hours afterwards are usually spent in two ways, unconcious or in agonizing pain, becuase no one makes painkillers strong enough that dont' just knock ya out

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Dibblah:

The only time I mock people complaining about pain is big brother watchers.

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mtnbkr:

Can someone help me or point me to a URL – here is my question: How, using a custom recording group (I think) can I set a certain program to be recorded, and stored for no more than a couple days? I cannot seem to understand the concept of having the ability to have/create different recording groups. Even if I can say, "programs in this group are of the lowest priority so delete them whenever, especially if space is required for

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mtnbkr:

a new recording"

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mtnbkr:

I 'spose I could set the "keep only 1 episode" flag. but I still do not understand the recording groups concept then.

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fryfrog:

why did i svn up, compile and install :(

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fryfrog:

that was dumb :/

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juski:

uh-oh. I have to sign a Police statement about the HDDs I cloned from a cctv DVR which produced valuable evidence in an arson case

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Dibblah:

juski: Itsatrap!

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fryfrog:

super awsome!

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fryfrog:

wait, did you fake it?

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Dibblah:

Nah, seriously – If you followed the forensics guide, you should be OK.

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juski:

Dibblah: to the letter

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Dibblah:

Witnesses in-place?

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Defend is now known as defend

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juski:

if by that you mean I was watched, yes

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juski:

only taken 11 months for it to go to court

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Dibblah:

Has anyone looked at the possibility of a quick and dirty QT4 port? Unofficial, of course.

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Dagmar:

Yes, why keep f****g the old goat when you can possibly f**k a newer, shinier goat

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Dagmar:

Although I can't say GTK would be much better, it would at least involve less overhead and their image handling is a lot nicer

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: Err... What?

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Dagmar:

Referring to porting to Qt4

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Dibblah:

Riiight.

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Dagmar:

I mean if you want flashy-flashy, Gtk+'s kinda ahead in that

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Dibblah:

No, I want QT4.

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Dibblah:

QT as in the toolkit.

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Dibblah:

Nothing to do with wanting fancier widgets.

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Dagmar:

Aoky

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Dagmar:

s/Aok/Oka/;

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fryfrog:

i have to say, i would prefer to fuck the shiney new goat, rather than the old and busted goat

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Dagmar:

Wouldn't it be fun if there were a frontend in Gtk+ and the backend stayed Qt so people trying to build it from scratch get to drown in not one but *two* gigantic dependencies?

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Dagmar:

:)

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fryfrog:

ahahha

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fryfrog:

that would rock my socks right off

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fryfrog:

OR...

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Dagmar:

I think it would be hilariout

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Dagmar:

It would almost be as good as that first mail status checker for Google I found

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Dagmar:

Someone wanted it as a Dropline package, and I use Gmail so I figured if it works and it was small I'd just get Zach to toss it into the install list

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Dagmar:

It was just ~200K or as a source tarball, and required a "few" extra libs

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Dagmar:

One was 50K, one was 180K, and then the fun one...

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Dagmar:

Some completely freaking insane internationalization library totalling twelve megabytes in size once compiled and compressed.

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fryfrog:

holey horseshit in a bucket with body parts sticking out!

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Dagmar:

That's like buying an elephant from the circus just to get the little fez

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fryfrog:

ahah

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juski:

frontend requires some obscureOS :-P

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juski:

ftw!

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fryfrog:

amiga4!

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juski:

OS/9

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Dagmar:

Showing people a frontend page about 8M in size, with 400Mb of dependencies required would freak them out

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Dagmar:

s/page/package/

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Dagmar:

I'm with Juski on that one

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Dagmar:

It's the best for "operating system everyone forgot"

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Dibblah:

No way. VMS.

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Dagmar:

You want one?

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juski:

PrimeOS

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Dagmar:

I think the guy who took our CTRVAX still hasn't found a good home for it

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Dibblah:

No, I don't have 3 phase power and a water loop.

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Dagmar:

Heh

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Dagmar:

My old housemate wanted me to get it for him

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Dagmar:

I told him for his own good, no effing way

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Dagmar:

Even if it was the first machine we ever had direct internet access on

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Dagmar:

I had to go clear the admin mail account on it one day and using VMS mail again was just surreal

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Dagmar:

The guy who stuck me with the task figured it would take me most of the day, since it took them that long

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Dagmar:

I had to just think things at my fingers and let them remember what to type because I didn't remember a damn thing about it.

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Dagmar:

Which worked, which is why it was surreal

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Dagmar:

I've never given instructions to software before without having no clue what my fingers are typing

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Dagmar:

er... s/without//;

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Dibblah:

I don't know what you think that semicolon does, but it doesn't.

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Dagmar:

Terminates the regexp.

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juski:

arghhh why doesn't dd have a % indicator

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Dagmar:

lol

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Dibblah:

juski: Because it can't.

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juski:

aye true

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Dagmar:

because the real men who use it are supposed to be stoic about not knowing if something "just stopped" writing or reading

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Dibblah:

It'd have to guesstimate. And that's against the laws of nature.

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juski:

I could have written a scripty thing to do it I suppose

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Dibblah:

Or at least KnR.

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juski:

then I'd be able to tell how far in it is

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Dagmar:

If you have it the count= argument it could be quite exact

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alsoconfused:

mbuffer

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** juski mans mbuffer **

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alsoconfused:

may have to google it

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juski:

wonder if it's on the G4L iso

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Dagmar:

shh...

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Dagmar:

Speak not ill of the holy manpages.

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Dibblah:

Of course, there's always du / df.

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Dagmar:

while (1) do; clear; du; sleep 1; done

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Dibblah:

watch is not all that new either ;)

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GreyFoxx:

Weird, someone says that having upnp enabled in myth causes his remote to reboot constantly :)

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Dagmar:

I wonder what his POST beeps sound like

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Dibblah:

When I were a lad, remotes stopped working only if you dropped them.

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Dagmar:

When I was a lad we actually had to get up to change channels on the satellite dish

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alsoconfused:

when i was a kid, remotes worked like tuning forks

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alsoconfused:

i wish i had one of those old buggers

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fryfrog:

what, you wacked them against something?

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juski:

heh. I remember 'the clicker'

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GreyFoxx:

I wouldn't mind getting one of those, looks nifty

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alsoconfused:

they had a chime and a striker. the tv listened for certain tones. sometimes the telephone ringer would change channels

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Dibblah:

Oh. Not the ultrasonic ones with the crystal transducer, then?

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alsoconfused:

no, purely mechanical

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fryfrog:

wow

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fryfrog:

i've never seen those

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alsoconfused:

i think they were gone before color came out :)

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alsoconfused:

Zenith called it "Space Command"

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juski:

no no we had a clicker remote for a colour tv when I was a kid

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alsoconfused:

ok

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juski:

are there yet any dect phones which do IR remotes?

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juski:

that'd be quite spiffy I think

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Dibblah:

There's that activehome type thing.

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Dibblah:

... Forget the name.

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Dibblah:

Includes a rebranded Myth.

[15:49:59]

juski:

not PlutoHome I hope (spam! spam!)

[15:50:07]

Dibblah:

Yeah, them.

[15:50:21]

juski:

rebranded.. what did they call it?

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alsoconfused:

X10?

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Dibblah:

"plutohome" I believe ;)

[15:52:06]

Dagmar:

Palm Treo

[15:52:29]

Dibblah:

Hmmm. http://plutohome.com/index.php?section=media_entertainment

[15:52:38]

juski:

hmm. I was thinking more of a sub Â£100 device

[15:52:46]

Dibblah:

That sounds suspiciously like they're keeping their own repository.

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GreyFoxx:

personally I wouldn't mind that pluto orbiter, nice size touch control interface, wifi, embedded a good camera and make it a mobile voip phone/video phone plus a media controller

[15:59:20]

Dibblah:

The orbiter is just software.

[16:00:26]

GreyFoxx:

http://plutohome.com/index.php?section=pluto_system_overview. The thing they label the orbiter, I want one of those whateverit is

[16:00:31]

Dibblah:

Oh :)

[16:00:48]

GreyFoxx:

Especially if I can customize the software or have a nice quality camera in it

[16:01:42]

Dibblah:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Web-DT-375-CE-8-4-Touchsc . . . cmdZViewItem

[16:02:25]

quicksilver:

GreyFoxx: I think pluto is all (mostly?) open source

[16:02:53]

GreyFoxx:

rebranded yeah

[16:04:12]

GreyFoxx:

Special, one of our users is flooding the hell out of someone

[16:04:13]

Dibblah:

In the UK, that's what... £2.50?

[16:04:13]

GreyFoxx:

brb

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GreyFoxx:

Dibblah: Heh, now to find out with a camera built in, so I don't have to modify it :)

[16:08:16]

GreyFoxx:

hmm it has a usb port, I could use a laptop cam

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fysa:

Has anyone gotten MythWeb transcoding on-demand/in real-time with an FLV player?

[16:27:51]

Milosch:

Dagmar: did you check for your fading menus?

[16:32:04]

Milosch:

juski: are you actually old enough to have seen a clicker remote?

[16:32:27]

Milosch:

my grandparents had a big screen b/w Zenith with one of those

[16:32:37]

juski:

I'm 34

[16:32:43]

Milosch:

ah, 41 here

[16:33:16]

Milosch:

they turned it off because sometimes clanking a spoon or whatever would set it hunting for channels

[16:33:38]

juski:

yeah I remember being able to change channels with jangly keys

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fysa:

heh. I _was_ the clicker remote for our VHF/UHF TV in the wooden housing.

[16:34:04]

kslater:

juski – downloaded and put to use your 4:3 blootube theme

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Milosch:

fysa: heh

[16:34:21]

juski:

kslater: great (whatever) ;)

[16:34:38]

kslater:

nice changeup from our standby of retro

[16:34:46]

** Beirdo growls **

[16:34:55]

kslater:

didn't realize you did one for 4:3

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juski:

I got bored

[16:35:06]

Beirdo:

so either the DV port in my camcorder's fried, or the one single firewire cable I have is busted

[16:35:33]

juski:

Beirdo: sucky, either way

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fysa:

http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=MythWebFlash

[16:35:37]

fysa:

there we go.

[16:35:39]

Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

tried every port on the windows box, then the iBook

[16:36:08]

Beirdo:

nothing can see it, and those are the two common factors

[16:36:14]

Beirdo:

I hope it's the cable

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juski:

I doubt its the port

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juski:

unless it's been plugged/unplugged past its usable life

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Beirdo:

I would doubt it too, but who knows?

[16:37:02]

juski:

get yer beepy thing & buzz out the cable ;)

[16:37:04]

Beirdo:

I had used it before with a different type of cable with a now defunct laptop

[16:37:36]

Beirdo:

yeah, I think I'll do that in a bit, actually :)

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juski:

kslater: there will be NO more 4:3 themes from me. making 2 themes I'll never use is about my limit

[16:38:51]

kslater:

hehe

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juski:

I'm not paid enough to care ;)

[16:39:11]

kslater:

need to get my primary fe using 16:9 then I won't have a use for them either. :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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tcpsyn:

I've notices that when watching recordings on my tv.. when the camera moves horizontally, I can see lines in the screen. I don't know how to explain it. It seems to have a hard time moving the picture horizontally. It only happens on the tv.. SVID->Composite.. Any idea how I can fix that?

[16:39:32]

juski:

tcpsyn: you need to deinterlace

[16:39:38]

Milosch:

tcpsyn: maybe some vsync setting, too

[16:39:39]

kslater:

yep

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tcpsyn:

I have deinterlace on, and set to linear

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juski:

try 'kernel'

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kslater:

tcpsyn what sort of machine is this?

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juski:

either that or it's 'tearing' that you can see

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tcpsyn:

kslater amd 64 x2 3800+

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juski:

whic might be fixed by setting your vsync to something more sensible

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kslater:

graphics?

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Milosch:

personally, i enabled all 3 vsync settings in my nvidia-settings.rc

[16:41:15]

Milosch:

at least one of them fixed the tearing for me

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tcpsyn:

nvidia geforce 6200

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tcpsyn:

sync to vblank you mean?

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juski:

tcpsyn: nope

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juski:

well maybe

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juski:

also meant vertical refresh rate

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tcpsyn:

I'm going to check the deinterlace first.

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tcpsyn:

seems alright now

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opello:

my picture seems to be about 4 px too high, but when i adjust it in the playback settings it doesn't seem to take effect?

[16:59:44]

juski:

4 pixels?

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juski:

overscan?

[16:59:58]

opello:

just a guess

[17:00:06]

juski:

look for overscan in the wikiwikiwikiwiki

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juski:

damn. that dd is still going

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opello:

juski: it's more that the setting isn't doing *anything* anymore

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tcpsyn:

would two pvr-150's with coax inputs cause a ground loop?

[17:11:37]

Milosch:

it shouldn't if their fed from the same splitter

[17:11:46]

Milosch:

s/their/they're/

[17:11:59]

Milosch:

and in the same machine ;)

[17:15:50]

juski:

and if they don't turn out to be hvr1600 cards inside the box :-P

[17:16:09]

tcpsyn:

yeah. its the same splitter, same machine

[17:16:34]

tcpsyn:

I just notice a line about 1/3 down the screen that reminds me of the ground loop line.

[17:18:02]

Milosch:

i suspect my cable company has some issues there, there is some ground potential between the coax exterior and my machine's ground

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tyrion:

had anyone used a Club-ZAP tuner?

[17:18:47]

juski:

has anyoen ever used google to find out if a tuner works in linux *before* buying it

[17:18:50]

juski:

?

[17:19:05]

Eradan:

juski: lawl

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Milosch:

juski: good heavens, no

[17:19:24]

tyrion:

juski: i got it two years ago with a Windows PC in mind, i have only recentlly tought of using it for a Myth-TV box

[17:19:25]

Eradan:

juski: why would i waste my time doing that ?

[17:19:29]

vanquish:

hello all. I have a problem where my capture cards are being listed as "remote" cards, and consequently not being available. cards are located inside the backend. i have a feeling it has something to do with changing a custom identifier. anybody seen this before?

[17:20:12]

|Torg|:

actually juski has anyone ever tried to download linux drivers for the card before they bought one :)

[17:20:20]

juski:

tyrion: it's prolly some kind of lamegrabber card, which will most likely just work (tm) but suck because it doesn't do encoding in hardware

[17:21:03]

tyrion:

juski: it claims to be a hardware encoder, though that may only be with the correct drivers enabled

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|Torg|:

tyrion what model is it?

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tyrion:

|Torg|: Club-ZAP 1100

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juski:

wooo

[17:24:47]

juski:

cx23416 eh

[17:25:06]

juski:

I stand corrected!

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juski:

the card might well be supported by the new v4l2 mpeg encoder drivers

[17:25:48]

tyrion:

excellent

[17:27:00]

Milosch:

maybe even ivtv?

[17:27:25]

juski:

yeah maybe even ivtv

[17:27:29]

Milosch:

or is that particular chip separate

[17:27:43]

juski:

Yuan PG600/DiamondMM PVR-550 (CX Falcon 2) uses the same chipset as far as I can tell

[17:27:58]

juski:

and that's supported in ivtv

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Milosch:

same author for the .c file

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Milosch:

Hans

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|Torg|:

juski where did you get the chip from the drives only refernce it as a cx falcon not a falcon2

[17:28:34]

tyrion:

what kind of performance will i be looking at? will it be worth using or should i just grab a new card?

[17:29:17]

vanquish:

anybody ever had my problem?

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Milosch:

even if the ivtv drivers will find it, it might be a trick of getting proper firmware

[17:29:34]

Milosch:

i would try it and see what you get

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juski:

vanquish: maybe your machine's hostname changed

[17:30:15]

iresprite:

hey, all.

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juski:

Milosch: chances are the firmware is common

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tyrion:

Milosch: right, this is for a home setup for my parents, so it may be worth spending a pit of money for peach of mind and now having them call me every other day to fix it

[17:30:34]

vanquish:

juski: not in /etc/hostname, but could it be somewhere in the database? if so, where?

[17:30:35]

juski:

I know I can use 'hauppauge' firmware for my leadtek pvr2000

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Milosch:

ah

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juski:

I'm going home now

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Milosch:

i guess it depends if the chip requires specific implemenations re: external pin usage, etc.

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tyrion:

Milosch: *bit;peace;not

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|Torg|:

there looks to be firmwre in the windows driver, id try those first just to see

[17:32:51]

Milosch:

tyrion: if you do get a new card, e.g. Hauppauge, make sure the card you actually get is supported

[17:33:07]

Milosch:

the 150's are starting to be shipped with a replacement card that does not work

[17:33:35]

Milosch:

newer chip

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tyrion:

Milosch: oh definatilly. The PC i'm plaing on using for the backend is an AMD X2–3800, with 2Gigs of RAM and 2x250Gig SATA drives

[17:33:51]

BULLE:

Milosch: you can always return the card, with the motivation that it is not what it said it was on the box

[17:34:04]

tyrion:

Milosch: then maybe an XBox for the frontend

[17:34:08]

Milosch:

BULLE: oh yeah, and they better take it

[17:34:12]

BULLE:

Milosch: or, contact hauppauge customer support, and have them arrange to replace the card

[17:34:30]

Milosch:

may be a question of supply, in which case you have to find one

[17:34:33]

BULLE:

Milosch: but the scary part, is that hauppauge customer support apparently have said that the 150 is to be discontinued

[17:34:43]

Milosch:

right, i would not be surprised

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Milosch:

grab a 500 instead, i don't think they have a replacement for it yet

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iresprite:

hey, guys-- I seem to be having an issue, and I hope it's easier than it looks...

[17:39:30]

iresprite:

My backend appears to be starting just fine, but my frontend can't seem to connect to it.

[17:39:34]

iresprite:

Here's what I'

[17:39:40]

iresprite:

I'm finding in my frontend log:

[17:39:50]

iresprite:

2007-01–22 12:19:29.622 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost

[17:39:50]

iresprite:

Failed to find network interface eth0

[17:40:02]

iresprite:

SIP listening on IP Address :5060 NAT address

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|Torg|:

1) you do not have eth0 up and configured and 2) you do not have mythphone configured

[17:41:21]

GreyFoxx:

If you are not actively using mythphone, you can ignore it

[17:41:36]

iresprite:

Ah! Stupid me. Let me back up a moment and say that I quite purposely don't have eth0 configured-- it's wlan0.

[17:41:49]

iresprite:

Okay, so that's not relevant to the fact that the frontend cannot connect to the backend:

[17:41:51]

iresprite:

2007-01–22 12:20:11.337 Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)

[17:41:51]

iresprite:

2007-01–22 12:20:11.338 Connection timed out.

[17:42:02]

GreyFoxx:

Are they on the same machine?

[17:42:05]

iresprite:

Yup.

[17:42:09]

GreyFoxx:

is mythbackend running ?

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|Torg|:

did you tell it the backends ip was 127.0.0.1 and is it running?

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iresprite:

mythtv 6873 1 0 12:18 ? 00:00:00 /usr/local/bin/mythbackend --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid

[17:42:54]

GreyFoxx:

iresprite: netstat -antu | grep ":6543"

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GreyFoxx:

does it show a LISTENING ?

[17:43:20]

iresprite:

hrm. no.

[17:43:43]

GreyFoxx:

none at all ? Odd

[17:45:14]

iresprite:

huh. from the mythbackend log:

[17:45:16]

iresprite:

2007-01–22 12:26:56.310 Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)

[17:45:16]

iresprite:

2007-01–22 12:26:56.415 Connection timed out.

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|Torg|:

type "mysql mythconverg" in it type "select * from settings where value like "Backend%" then type "quit". Take that output and pastebin it.

[17:47:04]

|Torg|:

and that log is from the frontend, not the backend

[17:48:27]

iresprite:

oh, huh. wonder how it got into the backend log.

[17:49:00]

|Torg|:

sorry I was wrong parenty it does log to the backend too, sorry

[17:49:08]

|Torg|:

but take that output and pastebin it

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** iresprite nods. **

[17:52:22]

iresprite:

Waiting for pastebin to get back to me...

[17:53:15]

iresprite:

http://pastebin.com/865074

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|Torg|:

your backens hotname is bombadil?

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iresprite:

it is.

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|Torg|:

start and stop the backend, then type "netstat -an | grep 654"

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|Torg|:

you shoudl see two lines that end in LISTEN

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brando1:

Does xine support blu-ray discs yet? I'm wondering about going and buying a blue-ray drive to watch movies on my computer.

[17:59:33]

fryfrog:

i believe it will be a *while* before any linux player can do HD disks

[17:59:46]

iresprite:

nothing. :-/

[18:00:25]

Dr_willis:

I belive it will be a VERY VERY cold day in #&!&@@ befor i spend that sort of $$ on a drive just to watch videos. :)

[18:00:27]

brando1:

I know the internal player probably has some work that is needed. What is the holdup? encryption/mounting support?

[18:01:00]

fryfrog:

brando1: you do realize that this generation of encryption is like zomg strong?

[18:01:01]

GreyFoxx:

Noone has broken the encryption used, and noone has written aplayer for it

[18:01:08]

|Torg|:

iresprite type "netstat" are there ANY lines with TCP or UDP or TCP6 or UDP6?

[18:01:08]

fryfrog:

though it has been broken :/

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: that isn't true, the enryption was broken like 8 days after it was released :)

[18:01:25]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: No it hasn't

[18:01:27]

slowone:

hd-disk was broekn the other day, blue-ray not yet

[18:01:30]

fryfrog:

you can read disks now, but

[18:01:34]

fryfrog:

oh, yeah sorry you are right

[18:01:35]

GreyFoxx:

They figured out how to get the keys from a program

[18:01:44]

fryfrog:

the encryption *keys* have been begotted from a proggy

[18:01:48]

GreyFoxx:

that's not thje same as being able to pull them yourselves

[18:01:57]

fryfrog:

true true

[18:02:00]

fryfrog:

not like decss

[18:02:03]

fryfrog:

yet, if ever

[18:02:24]

fryfrog:

if there is ever a linux player for HD disks, it'll probably be closed source and $$$

[18:02:32]

iresprite:

|Torg|: just typing netstat by itself, no.

[18:02:32]

BULLE:

from that paper, from 2001, i got the impression hdcp encryption was pretty feasible to break

[18:02:38]

iresprite:

Using the -antu flags, yes.

[18:02:41]

BULLE:

and if you can break it, you can get hold of the data

[18:02:42]

GreyFoxx:

It'll happen eventually

[18:03:12]

GreyFoxx:

people use to think nargra2 was unbreakable....until someone did it

[18:03:15]

|Torg|:

iresprite did you compile the kernel itself? do you have tcp support as a module? is it loaded?

[18:03:22]

BULLE:

so i would think that its actualy hdcp that will be broken

[18:03:24]

GreyFoxx:

eventually some resourceful person will do it

[18:03:36]

fryfrog:

there are always *far* more people interested in breaking it than there are people coding it to be unbreakable :)

[18:04:02]

BULLE:

GreyFoxx: http://apache.dataloss.nl/~fred/www.nunce.org . . . cp111901.htm

[18:04:03]

kormoc:

Didn't someone break SH1 recently?

[18:04:21]

GreyFoxx:

kormoc: Yeah, I believe so

[18:04:27]

iresprite:

The kernel is a stock Ubuntu kernel; this is the first time it's been an issue.

[18:04:34]

BULLE:

kormoc: some chinese person i think

[18:04:41]

iresprite:

I've almost never had an issue with tcp support.

[18:04:45]

brando1:

SH1 was more of a weakness rather than a full break

[18:05:44]

GreyFoxx:

http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/20/1936257

[18:06:31]

fryfrog:

yeah, definatly :(

[18:06:35]

GreyFoxx:

Why go blueray?, just curious

[18:06:41]

fryfrog:

*unless* you perhaps want to use Vista?

[18:06:41]

GreyFoxx:

everyone else seems to be going HD-DVD

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fryfrog:

Really? It seemed to me that blu-ray has more studio support

[18:07:04]

kormoc:

HD-DVD will win, given it's backed by porn

[18:07:05]

iresprite:

yargh. gotta run. I'll be back in a while. Torg-- thanks so much for the ideas.

[18:07:08]

BULLE:

GreyFoxx: the market penetrance is very divided between regions

[18:07:12]

GreyFoxx:

kormoc: I totally agree

[18:07:13]

Dr_willis:

!loop

[18:07:17]

fryfrog:

HD has only like 2 exclusive customers, everyone else is shared

[18:07:22]

GreyFoxx:

porn drove the dvd industry and vhs

[18:07:24]

iresprite:

Hopefully I'll remember something when I get back.

[18:07:25]

fryfrog:

blu-ray has more than that

[18:07:26]

GreyFoxx:

porn made the internet

[18:07:30]

GreyFoxx:

and they will make hd-dvd

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brando1:

be the first on the block.. :)

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BULLE:

GreyFoxx: and blueray has porn

[18:07:40]

kormoc:

BULLE, not anymore

[18:07:46]

BULLE:

kormoc: not anymore ?

[18:07:46]

fryfrog:

some pr0n studio is releasing a blu-ray pr0n

[18:07:47]

GreyFoxx:

BULLE: Sure, but the industry as a whole announced they are backing hd-dvd

[18:07:50]

kormoc:

BULLE, all adult contracts were pulled

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|Torg|:

HD-DVD vs blu-ray is nearly identical to Betamax vs VHS

[18:08:06]

BULLE:

kormoc: i was reading just a few days ago, that vivid had blue-ray licence

[18:08:15]

fryfrog:

yeah, i read that as well

[18:08:18]

kormoc:

BULLE, which they pulled for HD-DVD

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|Torg|:

adult contant wasnt the ONLY reason beta was defeated but it was a major reason

[18:08:29]

brando1:

Anyone heard of problems when running gigabit switches? If I have one between my myth backend and client frontend the video stutters but if I switch out the gigabit for a 10/100 it works just fine.

[18:08:31]

fryfrog:

in fact, i also read that sony yanking anyone's license who did blu-ray pr0n was not true

[18:08:44]

BULLE:

oh well, here in northern europe, no one talks about hd-dvd i would say, the only thing you hear anything about is blue-ray

[18:08:57]

BULLE:

i wont realy care about either format

[18:09:01]

BULLE:

untill there is only one left

[18:09:03]

fryfrog:

brando1: does the interface on both linxu boxes report 1000full?

[18:09:34]

fryfrog:

well, now that they are making blu-ray/hd-dvd players and *disks* that have HD-DVD and blu-ray on both... its going to end up like DVD+R and DVD-R :p

[18:09:41]

brando1:

fryfrog: yes

[18:09:54]

brando1:

fryfrog full duplex on both

[18:09:58]

fryfrog:

brando1: did you set the MTU very large or anything like that?

[18:10:12]

brando1:

fryfrog: I haven't tweaked them from what the driver sets by default.

[18:10:13]

kormoc:

BULLE, http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/01/11/ces2007_hddvd_blu_ray/

[18:10:19]

fryfrog:

k

[18:10:41]

BULLE:

kormoc: http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Blu-ra . . . _Release/437

[18:11:06]

brando1:

fryfrog:MTU:1500

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** kormoc blinks **

[18:11:42]

kormoc:

BULLE, fair nuff

[18:11:43]

BULLE:

kormoc: check the dates

[18:11:44]

** kormoc shrugs **

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fryfrog:

the only problem with HD porn is... do i *really* want to see that pimple on his butt in pristine clarity???

[18:13:07]

BULLE:

fryfrog: indeed

[18:13:19]

BULLE:

fryfrog: and with 7:1 super hd deluxe sound

[18:13:23]

** kormoc laughs **

[18:13:23]

fryfrog:

ahahah

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brando1:

fryfrog: no other ideas for the stutter w/a gigabit switch?

[18:13:44]

fryfrog:

brando1: I can't think of any :/

[18:14:02]

fryfrog:

if you don't care, you could use the gige switch and force the 2 interfaces to 100full, see what happens

[18:14:10]

fryfrog:

it might verify or eliminate the switch as the actual problem

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brando1:

k

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brando1:

do you set nall ics into 100Mbps the same way?

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tyrion:

what can and cant be done with a XBox for a front end? can you playback any DivX encoded HR content from a DVD?

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ShiftyPowers:

are there different themes for mythweb?

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brando1:

shift: just the mobile/stripped down version really

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Eradan:

bah ... no X access ... can't get my channel list :(

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stuarta:

evening all

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Hoxzer:

well hello there

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Hoxzer:

I just learned New thing

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Hoxzer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi

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juski:

evening stuarta

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juski:

good weekend?

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stuarta:

yup.

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stuarta:

shopping followed by consumption.

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stuarta:

roast wild boar

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juski:

me too. even ended up kayleigh dancing (ish) on saturday night!

[19:45:24]

juski:

wild boar indeed.. wow!

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stuarta:

yum :)

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stuarta:

now have a shiny new mini mac :)

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juski:

wahey

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stuarta:

just have to pop off in a bit and get the keyboard and mouse...

[19:46:35]

juski:

my mac mini purchase plan has been postponed for now

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stuarta:

plus, have installed more disk space, so i'm rebuilding & rearranging as we speak.

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juski:

heh. has to be the only 'home' computer that comes equipped with its own remote as standard though :)

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stuarta:

indeedy. wonder how long it'll take me to get myth built on it....

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stuarta:

if i'm still here at 2am that'll give you some ideas.

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juski:

can't see a core duo taking that long

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stuarta:

nope, it's the download of the dev environment that will take a while

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stuarta:

brb. off to get the keyboard

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ireAWAY:

|Torg|: did you have any thoughts on what I could do next to figure out why my backend isn't listening on 6543?

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|Torg|:

pastbin your backend log

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cmcgee:

Hello all

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cmcgee:

I was wondering if anyone has had any experience trying to performance optimize their mythtv systems?

[20:01:33]

juski:

omgoptimogize? use gentoo ftw!

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juski:

enable DMA, install decent video drivers, don't use crappy wireless ethernet, don't let the root partition get full, have plenty RAM....

[20:02:40]

|Torg|:

use small themes :P

[20:02:44]

juski:

avoid lamegrabbers

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juski:

don't hike up the cpu usage of transcoding & commflagging if you can avoid it...

[20:03:24]

juski:

|Torg|: use ugly themes

[20:03:30]

juski:

:-P

[20:03:35]

cmcgee:

juski: Yeah, I did all that and even reniced my mythbackend to -19 and set the latency timer to 64 for my IDE controller and video capture card.

[20:03:57]

iresprite:

|Torg|: http://pastebin.com/865086

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GreyFoxx:

cmcgee: How about you just tell us what problems you are seeing rather than us spit out random tips :)

[20:04:01]

cmcgee:

juski: But it still seems to skip for my recordings.

[20:04:12]

cmcgee:

GreyFoxx: Sorry. :-)

[20:04:13]

GreyFoxx:

HDTV or SDTV ?

[20:04:21]

cmcgee:

My recordings seem to be skipping.

[20:04:33]

cmcgee:

Sometimes half of a show will be fine and then it starts skipping.

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cmcgee:

I'm using the latest 0.20. The problem would happen occasionally when I was using 0.18 but now it's prety steady.

[20:06:01]

cmcgee:

If only there was a way for me to figure out where the bottleneck is. All of the backend logging says that everything's fine.

[20:06:25]

cmcgee:

Just that silly error that's mentioned in the mythtv faq about an error emptying bufer.

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juski:

cmcgee: if you're using a lamegrabber card try reducing the recorded frame size

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cmcgee:

juski: What's a lamegrabber? :-)

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juski:

framegrabber

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|Torg|:

lame frame grabber

[20:07:16]

juski:

i.e. non-encoding or non-dvb/atsc card

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alsoconfused:

cmcgee: are you sure the skips are in the recorded file and not happening during playback?

[20:08:24]

cmcgee:

juski: I'm using a crappy $30 card. How do I change the frame size?

[20:08:44]

juski:

recording profiles

[20:09:07]

juski:

some cards hog the pci bus when you try to capture over 320x240

[20:09:17]

cmcgee:

alsoconfused: I'm relatively sure that its not the playback because I have some shows from before I upgraded and they always play fine.

[20:09:30]

cmcgee:

juski: Ah, okay.

[20:09:34]

Eradan:

dammn ... commflags pwns my box :( ..

[20:09:49]

cmcgee:

juski: These settings are in the mythtv-setup, right?

[20:09:54]

juski:

nope

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Eradan:

Should it really take an hour to run commflags on a 1 hr (6GB) Recording ?

[20:10:52]

cmcgee:

juski: Where are they again?

[20:11:18]

juski:

cmcgee: mythfrontend settings

[20:11:26]

juski:

tv > recording profiles

[20:11:35]

ghotiboy1:

hi all...anyone have a good way to automate browsing and listening to podcasts from Myth?

[20:12:09]

cmcgee:

juski: Oh, so I can tell it to record at 320x240 or lower resolution in the frontend and it will tell the backend/card to switch to that?

[20:12:19]

juski:

yeah

[20:12:27]

cmcgee:

juski: Cool, I'll give that a shot.

[20:12:38]

cmcgee:

juski and all: thanks for your help

[20:13:29]

cmcgee:

juski: Is there any logging in mythtv to help me to identify bottlenecks? Can I add a -verbose flag somewhere?

[20:14:01]

cmcgee:

juski: It's just that it is hard to figure out if its the PCI bus that is saturated, or the hard disk that can't keep up with the writes.

[20:14:32]

Eradan:

cmcgee: most of the time the bottleneck is not a myth issue ... so myth has a hard time logging it ...

[20:14:49]

alsoconfused:

juski: you mentioned adjusting cpu usage for commflag. Is there a setting for that somewhere?

[20:15:19]

Eradan:

the best process i've used is vmstat .... run vmstat 1 and watch both disk IO and CPU load ... you can also see if your system is swapping like crazy ...

[20:15:21]

cmcgee:

Eradan: Maybe there's a way that I could do a stress test of the equipment without mythtv?

[20:15:41]

Eradan:

cmcgee: what are you trying to accomplish ? ... just to find out if it's stable ?

[20:16:29]

juski:

see this is what happens when you use shitty tuner cards :)

[20:16:58]

cmcgee:

Eradan: Yeah, something that will let me stress test the thing without myth. Then I could use vmstat to get an understanding of what are the bottlenecks if any.

[20:17:14]

cmcgee:

Eradan: Just to know if my card/CPU/disk combination is good enough for basic operation.

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Eradan:

myth is a much better stres test ... record on all available tuners, playback ... and then run a job in the background :P

[20:17:43]

Eradan:

Such as transcode or commflag.

[20:17:53]

cmcgee:

Eradan: Yeah, makes sense. :-)

[20:18:04]

cmcgee:

Eradan: I'll give the vmstat a try and see what it tells me.

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Eradan:

cmcgee: cool ...

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Eradan:

Anyone else record HD ?

[20:18:30]

gnome42:

cmcgee: you are using software encoding?

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cmcgee:

Thanks again everybody.

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cmcgee:

gnome42: No, I'm leaving it in the standard nuppelvideo format.

[20:19:04]

cmcgee:

gnome42: The files are huge. :-)

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GreyFoxx:

that's still software encoding since those cards don't do the compression onboard :)

[20:19:26]

GreyFoxx:

what kind of cpu ?

[20:19:38]

gnome42:

cmcgee: ok, that's where you should concentrate your initial tuning efforts.

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gnome42:

the recoding profile settings are crucial for software encoding

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gnome42:

juski mentioned where to find those i think

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cmcgee:

GreyFox and gnome42: Okay, is there an even more native format than nuppelvideo(RJPG,audio)?

[20:20:29]

gnome42:

yeah try mpeg4

[20:20:45]

gnome42:

it's not more native, but better IMHO :)

[20:20:50]

cmcgee:

gnome42: I think my card is crappy, it doesn't do _any_ mpe encoding on board.

[20:21:19]

GreyFoxx:

rtjpeg is lower cpu

[20:21:24]

gnome42:

yeah, i have same crappy stuff, decent results are possible with a lot of mucking around :)

[20:21:28]

GreyFoxx:

what kind of processor are you running this on ?

[20:21:43]

cmcgee:

GreyFoxx: Really low end CPU 1Ghz Athlon.

[20:21:53]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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ghotiboy1:

yikes!

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juski:

eek

[20:22:01]

ghotiboy1:

with software encoding?

[20:22:04]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, that's borderline for recording+playback with a software card

[20:22:07]

cmcgee:

Yeah, so I don't want any software encoding.

[20:22:18]

ghotiboy1:

that is below borderline in my opinion

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GreyFoxx:

cmcgee: Then you will need to get a new tuner that does onboardcompression

[20:22:29]

gnome42:

cmcgee: you got no choice on that one :)

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cmcgee:

GreyFoxx: Ah, I see. So, if the board does the mpeg2/4 then there's no software encoding required?

[20:22:49]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

0% cpu to reecord

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cmcgee:

Cool.

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juski:

only mpeg2 though

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ghotiboy1:

cmcgee: $60 at newegg.com for a nice Hauppauge basic model

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juski:

no mpeg4 encoding PCI cards are supported (even if they're available) in linux

[20:23:45]

GreyFoxx:

I think the plextor convertx (usb) will do mpeg4, no idea if we support that though

[20:23:48]

cmcgee:

I always though that RJPG meant that there was very little software encoding going on?

[20:23:52]

juski:

beware that hauppauge is slyly putting cards inside the box which aren't pvr150

[20:23:58]

GreyFoxx:

cmcgee: no, just less cpu work than mpeg4

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cmcgee:

GreyFoxx: Ah, I see. But if the card does all of the work then 0 cpu is used?

[20:24:19]

ghotiboy1:

hmmm

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juski:

cmcgee: yes

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Eradan:

GreyFoxx: how long should a commflag take on an idle box (3ghz 1g ram) on a 6g 720p file ?... any ideas ?

[20:24:47]

cmcgee:

Plus, I assume that if the card turns it into mpeg2 then there will be less going through the PCI bus.

[20:25:05]

Eradan:

cmcgee: all accross the board ...

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cmcgee:

Cool

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Eradan:

cmcgee: i have 2 tuners an older bttv card and a pvr150 (for sd) .. i can't even feel when the 150 records... but i pulled the bttv based card ... it would load the box 20 % ! (more than my air2pc cards !)

[20:25:59]

cmcgee:

Is anyone using such a low CPU with a hardware encoding card like PVR 150?

[20:26:12]

Eradan:

cmcgee: I tested it ... on a 600mhz ... 1 tuner ...

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cmcgee:

Wow

[20:26:27]

Eradan:

nvidia card ... no issues at all recording.

[20:26:44]

iresprite:

|Torg| did you see thw pastebin link above? (Sorry if it's a bother...)

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alsoconfused:

cmcgee: i had good luck with a pvr on an athlon 800.

[20:26:53]

juski:

cmcgee: I used to use 2 dvb-t tuners on my athlon 800

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Eradan:

quite a few tweaks ... 1.5g ram ... and i could playback 1 ...

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juski:

record 2 shows & watch one at the same time :)

[20:27:16]

cmcgee:

Cool. :-)

[20:27:19]

Eradan:

juski: lawl, that's pushing that little 800 to the limit !

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Eradan:

w/ an accelerated nvidia card ... it's not too bad.

[20:28:27]

Milosch:

Eradan: btw, wtf is lawl?

[20:28:46]

Eradan:

Milosch: just a term ... like ... lol, rofl ...

[20:29:05]

Milosch:

never saw that one before ;)

[20:29:05]

hads:

Laughing And Writhing Loudly?

[20:29:09]

ghotiboy1:

so, does anyone download or listen to podcasts on Myth?

[20:29:37]

ghotiboy1:

i just don't want to re-scan my music lib every time i d/l a podcast

[20:29:48]

WZ__:

i tried some of the news feeds ghoti

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Eradan:

So i guess nobody else records HD ? ...

[20:30:19]

WZ__:

are you downloading them manually and then trying to view them in mythvideo?

[20:30:25]

WZ__:

i record HD :)

[20:30:33]

Eradan:

You commflag WZ__ ?

[20:30:35]

juski:

Eradan: it's not pushing the 800mhz to the limit at all!

[20:30:46]

juski:

since recording only uses like 2% CPU per tuner card

[20:30:52]

Eradan:

juski: true ...

[20:30:57]

Eradan:

juski: it's the IO and playback ...

[20:30:58]

juski:

same would be true of pvr cards

[20:30:58]

ghotiboy1:

WZ__: i can do that (they are audio), or i would like to use something like MythStream

[20:31:00]

hads:

Yeah DVB doesn't use any CPU to speak of, it's great.

[20:31:07]

WZ__:

yeah i do but i have just recently set up mythtv. i havent spent any time actually watching anything

[20:31:38]

carstenc:

Hi all

[20:31:40]

Eradan:

WZ__ Ah .. just trying to get a comparison ... takes far longer than i had hoped ...

[20:31:54]

WZ__:

i probably have some HD content with commercials. i can check

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carstenc:

any idea why mythfrontend consumes so much CPU power?

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ghotiboy1:

WZ__: just want to get some different options

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hads:

Becuase it's playing back fullcreen video?

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Eradan:

carstenc: because of the gravitational pull of the earth ... if you are lower than the center axis... myth will use more CPU

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carstenc:

after upgrade to latest patch standings

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carstenc:

of FC6

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carstenc:

the load is on 10

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carstenc:

and the mythfrontend pictures are delayed

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cmcgee:

Thanks all for your help!

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carstenc:

the gravity may be one option

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alsoconfused:

carstenc: did it upgrade to a new kernel?

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WZ__:

ghoti: does mythnews do what you are looking for? only problem is i think it downloads everything rather than streaming. i havent heard of mythstream until now :)

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carstenc:

hm

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carstenc:

2.6.19–1.2895.fc6

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ghotiboy1:

WZ__: I will check that out! I didn't know MythNews would do podcasts

[20:34:32]

Hoondie:

Hello people, can someone quickly answer me this.. when i record, sometimes it works fine, other time's it turns out all screwey.. example is: http://imagebin.org/6983

[20:34:48]

jmblack:

Im slightly confused about datadirect and mythtv in this particulr situation. Ive got a directtv dish that allows local programming by simply changing to one of the local channels (no input switching).

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alsoconfused:

carstenc: well, that is an updated kernel, but i don't know if you already had it.

[20:35:25]

carstenc:

I wanted to try a Xen kernel with FC6

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carstenc:

but I switched back to normal one

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alsoconfused:

carstenc: are you using 3rd party video drivers?

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carstenc:

yes nvidia

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Eradan:

jmblack: that's low signal.

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carstenc:

alsoconfused: you mean it could be related

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alsoconfused:

carstenc: you probably lost hw acceleration.

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Eradan:

jmblack: or fluctuating signal ... that's actually error's in the data stream ...

[20:36:43]

jmblack:

DataDirect does not include local programming on the same 'lineup' as the directtv listings so I just setup 2 diff lineups and attached both to the same input

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juski:

well, speaking of errors in the stream....

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juski:

this channel has too small a signal to noise ratio

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carstenc:

alsoconfused: how can I find that out ?

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carstenc:

nvidia module is loaded

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jmblack:

nah, it works if I tune manually, but myth seems to want both channel sources on the same input and Im not sure how to do that

[20:38:17]

jmblack:

should I just add it to that same line?

[20:38:49]

Eradan:

damn ... ok .. so now my commflag is hitting 90fps ... WTF ? ... normally only get's 6fps :(

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alsoconfused:

carstenc: grep modules/drivers /var/log/Xorg.0.log

[20:39:24]

Hoondie:

anyone? know what would cause video playback of recordings to look like http://imagebin.org/6983. The sound also pop's alot also..

[20:40:07]

carstenc:

[root@localhost ~]# grep modules/drivers /var/log/Xorg.0.log

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carstenc:

(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so

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Eradan:

Hoondie: Your data stream is corrupt or missing data .... it means if it's OTA hd that your signal is fluctuating or not high enough ..

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iresprite:

Hey, all-- my machine crashed last night, and since then it's been giving me issues with regards to the backend.

[20:41:29]

Hoondie:

Eradan: So you suggest checking connections to the antenna etc?

[20:41:36]

carstenc:

rpm -qf /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so

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carstenc:

nvidia-x11-drv-1.0.9746–1

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iresprite:

That is, it seems to start up just fine, but netstat reveals that it's not listening on port 6543...

[20:41:52]

Eradan:

Hoondie: yes ... check signal strength on the channel ... it is OTA HD right ?

[20:41:57]

iresprite:

So my frontend can't connect to it.

[20:42:07]

Eradan:

iresprite: is the backend running ?

[20:42:17]

mike3:

Hey guys I'm looking for a comptaible hardware encoder card. I've come across the Hauppause cards. i was wondering what your suggestions would be?

[20:42:27]

Hoondie:

OTA HD? It's a digital tuner, recording standard definition channel.

[20:42:28]

Eradan:

mike3: pvr150 from hapauge

[20:42:54]

Eradan:

mike3: yes it is .

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jmblack:

hrm. I have 2 video sources (listings data) on the same input, at the moment only 1 of the 2 specified on that input. can I have both video sources on 1 input?

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Eradan:

Hoondie: dunno then ... that looks like missing data blocks from a digital stream.

[20:43:52]

Eradan:

jmblack: no, not that i know of.

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alsoconfused:

carstenc: maybe i'm on the wrong track, but i'd look for nvidia related errors in the X log and in /var/log/messages. xvinfo and glxinfo may also yield clues.

[20:44:16]

Hoondie:

Eradan: yea, that's what it looks like when i get to a corrupt part in a divx or something also, sounds the same

[20:44:34]

carstenc:

xvinfo did not show anything :|

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WZ__:

eradan: what is happening with commflag? you skip the commercial and it hangs/slow?

[20:44:48]

carstenc:

[root@localhost ~]# xvinfo

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carstenc:

Xlib: extension "XVideo" missing on display ":0.0".

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carstenc:

xvinfo: No X-Video Extension on :0.0

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Eradan:

WZ__ Just takes forever ....

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alsoconfused:

carstenc: i'd say that's your problem

[20:45:01]

WZ__:

eradan: i just tried it on mine and its instant. no delay

[20:45:17]

Eradan:

That tells me it's time for a faster box :)

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mike3:

Eradan: How would I go about pushing the video out to the tv?

[20:45:31]

mike3:

Would I need a certain vid card too?

[20:45:48]

Eradan:

mike3 Yes ... something with video out ... lots of nvidia cards have it ... ati cards ...

[20:45:49]

mike3:

with rca out? My tv i have has no svids or anything. Simple RCA out.

[20:46:03]

mike3:

obviously I'd like to grab an nvidia that is comptaible withl inux.

[20:46:08]

mike3:

Most the cards are.

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alsoconfused:

carstenc: see if something (an rpm or init script) edited your xorg.conf

[20:46:13]

Eradan:

mike3: there are lots of how to's on that ... or you could just use a computer monitor ... :P

[20:46:19]

WZ__:

eradan: this is with a previously recorded show, right?

[20:46:24]

Eradan:

WZ__ yah ...

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mike3:

Eradan: What fun is that. :)

[20:46:40]

WZ__:

what cpu u running?

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Eradan:

mike3: lot's !... i use a 90" computer monitor ...

[20:46:49]

Eradan:

WZ model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz

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mike3:

:p

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Eradan:

WZ i have all methods though ...

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WZ__:

it seems like it'd be a problem with the stream data if you are getting big lag

[20:47:31]

Eradan:

WZ__ Not lag .. just takes forever to flag the mpg.

[20:48:24]

Eradan:

WZ__ Looks like it's 100 % cpu based ... so i guess it's time to upgrade my backend to a duel core :(

[20:48:37]

AdamCo:

anyone any ideas :( ?

[20:48:40]

Eradan:

WZ__ Or i guess i could run the commflags jobs on my front end ...

[20:49:00]

Eradan:

AdamCo: what makes you think it's not binding the ports ?

[20:49:17]

Eradan:

WZ__ what's really pissing me off ...

[20:49:43]

AdamCo:

In netstats I can see the frontend has bound the port but the backend isnt listening, before I upgraded to 0.20 it was working and in netstat I was able to see the ports

[20:49:45]

iresprite:

Eradan: yes, the backend is running.

[20:49:52]

iresprite:

http://pastebin.com/865086

[20:50:26]

Eradan:

CPU: Hyper-Threading is disabled I wish i could figure out why that's the case ! ...

[20:50:26]

mike3:

My one video card ati 7200 has rca output on the card. I have to obviously tune xorg.conf to use my tv?

[20:50:45]

mike3:

Eradan: what about sound?

[20:51:00]

Eradan:

mike3: use a soundcard :p ...

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WZ__:

eradan: its your kernel probably

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mike3:

how do I get sound out? From the speakers to the tv. Will this not cause sync issues?

[20:51:12]

WZ__:

u need to install the proper kernel to use HT

[20:51:19]

Eradan:

WZ__: ubuntu 6.1 FTL

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AdamCo:

also if I try to connect on 6544 there isnt a status page :(

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Beirdo:

ñ

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|Torg|:

why do you want HT?

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AdamCo:

I can see the backend is running and connected to the mysql server but no ports are open for the frontend to connect too. I'm at a lost as to whether its my network setup or something in the mythbackend

[20:53:02]

Beirdo:

yay, it worked. hehe

[20:53:13]

Eradan:

|Torg| For the hell of it.

[20:53:32]

|Torg|:

you mean for the security flaws of it and only speeding up latency not thoughput?

[20:53:45]

Eradan:

|Torg| Surely !

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Hoondie:

Eradan: Do you think it could be a performance issue with the PC i am using as a backend that would be causing my problem?

[20:54:24]

Eradan:

Hoondie: dunno ... could be ... i have very little experience w/ SD tuners ..

[20:54:46]

Hoondie:

It's a HD tuner, recording a SD channel

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WZ__:

eradan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=85917

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|Torg|:

HD tuners dont tune SD channels

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|Torg|:

HD is brodcast in a differnt way then SD

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Eradan:

Hoondie: i know ... w/ HD... i get 'tiling' when i have low signal ...

[20:55:41]

Eradan:

SD when you have low signal you don't normally get tiling ...

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Eradan:

SD isn't 'data' ... the same way that HD / DTV is .

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|Torg|:

you dont get macro blocks in SD period

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ghotiboy1:

WZ__: News Feeds don't work with the podcasts

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Hoondie:

SD (well in Australia anyway) is still digital

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Eradan:

WZ__ Yah .. reading that now.

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|Torg|:

you get macro blocks, what you call tiling, when you miss digial signal

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WZ__:

bummer. mythnews seems a bit broken anyway. i think i'll try mythstream as well

[20:56:52]

alsoconfused:

AdamCo: echo 'select * from settings'| mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg |grep -i port ### make sure the hostname is correct

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Hoondie:

|Torg|: could that be caused by the performance of the PC that is doing the recording?

[20:57:13]

|Torg|:

teh macroblocks not unless your decoder is seriosly lagging

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|Torg|:

most players ill simply stop, not show macro blocks

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Hoondie:

|Torg|: how can i find that out?

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|Torg|:

if its the signal or the computer?

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AdamCo:

Maybe something, the MasterServerPort seems to be 6543 NULL is that correct?

[20:58:22]

AdamCo:

The rest look ok

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alsoconfused:

AdamCo: that's normal

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alsoconfused:

the hostnames match?

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kormoc:

6543 NULL ?

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AdamCo:

yep

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AdamCo:

my hostname is mythtv

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Hoondie:

|Torg|: I gotta run, thanks for your help.. you too Eradan!

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AdamCo:

and if I enter the hostname command it returns mythtv

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_Sam--:

kormoc: you do any more research on your legal torrenting? was just laughing at you with some dudes at work here :)

[20:59:36]

AdamCo:

alsoconfused: the backend and frontend are running on the same machine

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alsoconfused:

AdamCo: and the sql query showed: "BackendServerPort 6543 mythtv", right?

[20:59:59]

kormoc:

_Sam--, if you don't want to respect the channel rules, feel free to get help else-where

[21:00:06]

_Sam--:

"All of the music on etree.org is free, and 100% legal to download, trade, and burn."

[21:00:11]

iresprite:

I'm having the same issue as AdamCo, it seems...

[21:00:13]

_Sam--:

no, i dont respect people that doubt intellect

[21:00:19]

AdamCo:

alsoconfused: I got BackendServerPort 6543 mythtv

[21:00:19]

AdamCo:

BackendStatusPort 6544 mythtv

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AdamCo:

I tried to put verbose logging on in the backend but I couldnt see anything about it trying to open any ports, but I've never looked before so not sure if thats a good sign or a bad sign

[21:01:12]

_Sam--:

bt.etree.org = 100% legal free music

[21:01:15]

_Sam--:

via torrent

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Milosch:

who cares

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alsoconfused:

AdamCo: what did you mean when you said that the frontend had bound the port? what state did it show the socket in?

[21:02:05]

_Sam--:

i only care, because i wish to prove my point.

[21:02:20]

iresprite:

AdamCo: if you do netstat -antu, does port 6543 show up?

[21:02:22]

Milosch:

you get what you pay for would be my point

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Eradan:

Milosch: lol ... not alway's ...

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_Sam--:

but to say all of torrents are bad...is stupid

[21:02:52]

_Sam--:

or all torrents are illegal

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Eradan:

_Sam--: I concur.

[21:03:02]

Milosch:

Eradan: i would stand by my assessment ;)

[21:03:05]

alsoconfused:

they're all OT

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AdamCo:

alsoconfused: when I do my netstat -pa I get the following line for the frontend tcp 0 0 *:6546 *:* LISTEN 4444/mythfrontend

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kormoc:

_Sam--, I don't care about your point, and I won't tell you again, Talk about torrents is forbidden by channel policy, see http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Bittorrent

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Eradan:

Milosch: and i mine.

[21:03:34]

kormoc:

_Sam--, it's been so by request of the mythtv developers, and we respect their wishes in this matter.

[21:03:39]

_Sam--:

i will respect your wishes.

[21:03:47]

Milosch:

unless we're talking about the classics, then again the recordings are usually protected anyway

[21:03:50]

_Sam--:

im only trying to defend my position about legal downloads, that sall.

[21:04:13]

_Sam--:

i hvae never ever doubted your intellect, or what you say, so it was frustrating to feel that you didnt believe me.

[21:04:17]

Eradan:

kormoc: just to be proper, the policy is to not talk about torrent in regards to sharing shows :) not torrent as a whole.

[21:04:28]

_Sam--:

when all i was trying to say is that not all torrents are bad

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alsoconfused:

AdamCo: are there any other mysql servers on your net? is it possible the backend is connecting to the wrong one?

[21:04:42]

kormoc:

Eradan, meh, I've been told it's just a blanket ban

[21:04:56]

AdamCo:

there isnt any other mysql servers on the network

[21:05:03]

Eradan:

kormoc: I'm just reading from the policy :P ..

[21:05:20]

Eradan:

So ... core 2 duo or AMD dual core ? ... now that is the question.

[21:05:31]

kormoc:

core 2 duo! :P

[21:05:41]

AdamCo:

alsoconfused: when I start the backend I can see the mysql connections in netstat -pa from the mythbackend so its getting to the correct mysql database

[21:05:52]

Eradan:

core 2 e6300 or 64 x2 4200+ is the actual question :P

[21:06:10]

iresprite:

AdamCo: it's not even getting that far for me... 6543 doesn't show up at all.

[21:06:47]

Eradan:

kormoc: my little 2.4ghz just can't keep up w/ commflag :(

[21:06:54]

AdamCo:

6543 isnt showing for me for the backend either :(. I'm going to turn all the loging and see if I can see if its getting the correct data from the database

[21:07:57]

iresprite:

Mm. What flag are you using for the logging?

[21:08:37]

Eradan:

iresprite: all

[21:08:46]

AdamCo:

-v,all

[21:09:57]

iresprite:

'kay. I'll try throwing that in there, too...

[21:10:22]

AdamCo:

Well I can see the data being obtained from the server so I'm at a lost to explain why it doesnt start the sockets up :(

[21:10:50]

alsoconfused:

AdamCo: try adding -n to your netstat command

[21:11:52]

slowone:

i'm not sure whats this would be called or how it would be worded so a link or advice on keywords so search with: how would i use one of the svid inputs on a hauppage card to record from a vcr-tape?

[21:12:16]

Eradan:

slowone: in mythtv-setup, just setup that input.

[21:12:46]

slowone:

how do i start/stop recording as there is no guide data to automagicly tell it?

[21:12:47]

AdamCo:

alsoconfused: nope still cannot see the backend running

[21:13:07]

Milosch:

slowone: probably just hit the record button while viewing

[21:13:16]

Eradan:

slowone: just hit r to start recording.

[21:13:45]

slowone:

ok ;) will have to play with it tonight

[21:14:11]

Eradan:

slowone: it's very easy ...

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iresprite:

AdamCo: me, neither. Did you see anything in your backend log other than the backend sending queries to MySQL?

[21:14:35]

slowone:

setup wise ya ;) just was wondering what would happen meta-data wise

[21:15:11]

AdamCo:

iresprite: There wasnt anything about binding the sockets, I'm just trying the queries out to make sure they got what I expect

[21:15:27]

alsoconfused:

AdamCo: /usr/sbin/lsof -nPc mythbackend

[21:15:53]

Eradan:

slowone: i seem to recall there was a package for DV-cam ... let me search.

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AdamCo:

alsoconfused: I get alot of files listed plus the following ports:

[21:17:28]

alsoconfused:

don't paste too much here!

[21:17:43]

iresprite:

(pastebin is your friend!)

[21:17:58]

AdamCo:

ok, I get the ports between the backend and the mysql server

[21:18:23]

AdamCo:

If I run the same command on the frontend I can see its listening port *:6546

[21:18:52]

iresprite:

where are you seeing the port? (I'm trying to read the results of the command as well.)

[21:19:49]

alsoconfused:

AdamCo: did you try netstat -an|grep 6543 ?

[21:19:57]

AdamCo:

From Mythfrontend I get the line: mythfront 4444 mythtv 11u IPv4 16020 TCP *:6546 (LISTEN)

[21:20:20]

AdamCo:

alsoconfused: nothing was returned from the netstat command

[21:21:59]

alsoconfused:

AdamCo: i helped someone with this problem before, and it turned out that the backend never tried to bind the ports because it was hung up trying to open the video devices.

[21:22:24]

AdamCo:

ah

[21:22:41]

AdamCo:

Thats a possibility

[21:22:41]

alsoconfused:

AdamCo: i'd do: strace -f -e file,socket -o /tmp/trace mythbackend

[21:23:13]

AdamCo:

alsoconfused: I got strace not found

[21:23:19]

alsoconfused:

then look in /tmp/trace for problems related to /dev/video*

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AdamCo:

alsoconfused: I dont seem to have a trace file

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alsoconfused:

AdamCo: is it in /usr/sbin ?

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alsoconfused:

AdamCo: if you can't use strace, check that the configured video devices are accessible. e.g. dd count=1 /dev/video0 | od -x

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Eradan:

have you both tried running mythbackend from the command line ? ...

[21:27:00]

AdamCo:

eradan: yep, thats where I'm doing the testing from at the moment

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iresprite:

Same here.

[21:27:54]

alsoconfused:

i'm just suggesting possible problems at this point. i'd really like to see an strace :)

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AdamCo:

alsoconfused: I get an dd: unrecognized operand `/dev/video0' back

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iresprite:

I can send mine to pastebin.

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Eradan:

:P ... good call alsoconfused

[21:29:42]

iresprite:

How much of the strace file do you want?

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alsoconfused:

AdamCo: sorry, should have been: dd count=1 if=/dev/video0 | od -x

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alsoconfused:

iresprite: how big is it?

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AdamCo:

ok :-)

[21:30:11]

iresprite:

hoo. 34k. :)

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alsoconfused:

pastebin the whole thing if you can

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Smirnov:

why would my myth-backend be taking up 99.9% of the cpu!?!

[21:31:17]

Eradan:

Smirnov: because it hates you.

[21:32:03]

AdamCo:

alsoconfused: it looked like they all worked, they all returned information. I might try removing my cards and see if that sorts the backend out

[21:32:16]

Smirnov:

umm.. any constructive feedback

[21:32:44]

iresprite:

alsoconfused: Just waiting for the link now.

[21:32:51]

alsoconfused:

Smirnov: is it logging anything?

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Eradan:

Smirnov: check the logs ..

[21:33:02]

Smirnov:

ok

[21:33:34]

Smirnov:

nope nothing since 30 mins ago

[21:34:00]

Smirnov:

im not even watching tv.. its just idling on the main menu

[21:34:07]

iresprite:

alsoconfused: http://pastebin.com/865261

[21:34:26]

Smirnov:

did some smartass put a while(1) {} into the program?

[21:34:47]

AdamCo:

alsoconfused: looks like that might be my problem :(. When I removed all my capture cards the backend started correctly. Now I know what the problem is hopefully I should be able to get to the bottom of it. Thanks for all the help :-)

[21:35:23]

alsoconfused:

you're welcome

[21:35:28]

Eradan:

Hrm .. i'm bored, i think i'll write a transcoder to transcode for my ipod.

[21:37:05]

Eradan:

myth2ipod is so boring ...

[21:37:14]

Como[]Lappy:

ipods are boring

[21:37:28]

iresprite:

Man, I really hope my capture card isn't the problem. On the other hand, given that my machine crashed and restarted with the hardware clock at Dec 31, 2003, I may have to accept that there could be a hardware issue here.

[21:37:46]

iresprite:

Yeah, Eradan-- write a transcoder for the TI-86.

[21:37:58]

Eradan:

iresprite :P ...

[21:38:02]

** iresprite grins. **

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** stuarta wanders back with some new toys **

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Smirnov:

umm..mythbackend..99.9% cpu..anyone

[21:38:53]

Eradan:

Smirnov: Check the logs ...

[21:38:57]

Smirnov:

are you serious?

[21:38:59]

Como[]Lappy:

probly not a good sign

[21:39:06]

Smirnov:

<Smirnov> nope nothing since 30 mins ago

[21:39:12]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: should i assume that the stat calls at the end of the strace go on forever?

[21:39:16]

AdamCo:

alsoconfused: Thanks for all the help I found out what the problem was. I added a new tv card into my system and looks like myth didnt cope with it very well. But deleting and redefining them all seems to have sorted all the problems out :D. Thanks for all the help one happy customer

[21:39:27]

Eradan:

Smirnov: then cycle it ..

[21:39:37]

Smirnov:

cycle it?

[21:39:41]

Smirnov:

what the hell does that supposed to mean

[21:39:49]

Eradan:

Smirnov: /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart

[21:40:01]

Smirnov:

im sorry, did i miss the part where this is supposed to be windows?

[21:40:11]

Smirnov:

restarting a program isnt the magical solution to everything

[21:40:36]

Eradan:

Then go fix it ...

[21:40:39]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: still there?

[21:40:42]

iresprite:

alsoconfused: yep.

[21:40:44]

Smirnov:

Eradan, great idea, what do you think i'm here for?

[21:40:58]

iresprite:

The trace file grew a bit since I pasted it, but it ends with:

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stuarta:

Smirnov: try running the backend with --noupnp

[21:41:02]

iresprite:

10287 stat64("/etc/localtime", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1267, ...}) = 0

[21:41:05]

Eradan:

Smirnov: to pester people ?

[21:41:13]

Smirnov:

stuarta, that sounds bad

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stuarta:

no it's a test case :)

[21:41:54]

stuarta:

btw. you running latest 0.20-fixes?

[21:41:57]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: well, your strace goes into that loop right at the point where it should be opening video devices, so i'd say that your problem is similar to AdamCo's

[21:42:05]

iresprite:

aha.

[21:42:06]

Smirnov:

stuarta, my version doesnt offer that option

[21:42:12]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: check your settings in mythtv-setup

[21:42:14]

stuarta:

what version~?

[21:42:22]

iresprite:

I, too, will go and remove the card to see what happens.

[21:43:22]

Smirnov:

stuarta, 0.20

[21:43:36]

iresprite:

Any settings in particular?

[21:43:53]

iresprite:

The general settings looked about right.

[21:44:01]

stuarta:

Smirnov: lemme guess, some period of time after starting the backend it goes to 100% cpu?

[21:44:33]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: how many capture cards do you have configured?

[21:44:42]

Smirnov:

stuarta, yah looks like it

[21:44:50]

Smirnov:

whats the difference betwen PRI and NI values in top anyway

[21:45:08]

stuarta:

priority & nice value

[21:45:17]

Smirnov:

whats NICE value mean

[21:45:24]

kormoc:

man nice

[21:45:26]

stuarta:

you'll need to update to latest 0.20-fixes

[21:45:47]

alsoconfused:

man nice: BUGS: nobody ever uses this command

[21:46:06]

stuarta:

horse crap

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hads:

nice rules

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stuarta:

nice is a tried & tested unix admin tool

[21:46:42]

Smirnov:

stuarta, hmm maybe its the commercial thread being 99.9 too nice

[21:47:11]

Smirnov:

its still a waste of cpu though

[21:47:45]

Smirnov:

i like my computer to not die years earlier cause the cpu is always doing something

[21:48:44]

Smirnov:

stuarta, is that just a patch i can apply to the existing source

[21:48:46]

stuarta:

there is no commercial thread. it's a separate process

[21:49:07]

Smirnov:

ok then why is my *mythbackend* process going to 99.9

[21:49:26]

hads:

Smirnov: CPU usage won't affect the life of your CPU unless it's not cooled properly.

[21:49:34]

iresprite:

alsoconfused: I have one card-- a Hauppauge PVR-250.

[21:50:02]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: soes it show /dev/video0 as the "video device" in mythtv-settings ?

[21:50:03]

Smirnov:

wear and tear?

[21:50:20]

hads:

Not really an issue for a CPU

[21:50:25]

stuarta:

most likely because of a bug in the upnp handling which has been *fixed*

[21:50:36]

stuarta:

so upgrade!

[21:50:36]

AdamCo:

iresprite: for me deleting all my capture cards are creating them did the trick

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fryfrog:

Smirnov: backend shouldn't hit 99% unless you are using a bunch of frame grabbers (or a really low end cpu)

[21:51:29]

fryfrog:

Smirnov: I believe there was a bug in 0.20 in relation to upnp and the xbox360...

[21:51:37]

fryfrog:

i don't spose you have an xbox360 on your network?

[21:51:43]

Smirnov:

actually yes i do

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Smirnov:

on the university network

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|Torg|:

it is speicfic a bug in the code

[21:52:02]

|Torg|:

more more exactly a bug in how the 360 does upnp

[21:52:07]

fryfrog:

you should try the -fixes branch in svn

[21:52:13]

|Torg|:

like sturata said its been fixed, over a month now, go upgrae

[21:52:20]

fryfrog:

yar, upgradify!

[21:52:31]

Smirnov:

can i build a deb out of it?

[21:52:40]

fryfrog:

the svn 0.20 -fixes branch is *better* than the 0.20 most packages offer

[21:52:42]

|Torg|:

you can build a deb out of ANYTHING you can make install

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fryfrog:

probably, if you know how to do that shit :0

[21:52:52]

Smirnov:

|Torg|, how

[21:52:58]

|Torg|:

checkinstall

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Smirnov:

thats cheating

[21:53:31]

|Torg|:

who is it cheating?

[21:53:42]

Smirnov:

everyone

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|Torg|:

err how

[21:53:53]

Smirnov:

um...cause..

[21:53:59]

** seth|laptop build mine from svn, no packaging going on here **

[21:54:00]

iresprite:

alsoconfused: yes, it uses /dev/video0.

[21:54:00]

Smirnov:

it doesnt automatically fill in all the information

[21:54:10]

|Torg|:

I dont give out my packages either

[21:54:19]

|Torg|:

I just do it so I can uninstall it if I want

[21:54:23]

iresprite:

AdamCo: did you physically remove the capture card first?

[21:54:30]

|Torg|:

I put in the svn rev on the package so a week later I can tell which it is

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alsoconfused:

iresprite: which user are you running the backend as?

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** seth|laptop woould take a .deb file from Torg **

[21:54:38]

iresprite:

mythtv

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stuarta:

i'd build your own

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stuarta:

dpkg --purge mythtv

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Smirnov:

do i have to backup all my settings if i upgrade

[21:54:51]

|Torg|:

mythplugins_trunk-0-20–12601_i386.deb mythtv_trunk-0-20–12601_i386.deb

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stuarta:

apt-get build-dep mythtv

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** seth|laptop doesn't use anything that uses .deb files :-) **

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alsoconfused:

iresprite: is that the same user you are logged in as?

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|Torg|:

you want it in P4 or AMD format seth :)

[21:55:08]

iresprite:

yes.

[21:55:16]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: do you have mplayer installed?

[21:55:24]

iresprite:

*nods* I do.

[21:55:28]

stuarta:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/0.20-fixes

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|Torg|:

I enable-proc-opt on both sets

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alsoconfused:

iresprite: try mplayer /dev/video0

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|Torg|:

svn up :)

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stuarta:

configure; make; make install etc et c etc

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Smirnov:

what about saving all the settings

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|Torg|:

what settngs the compile settings? jsut remeber what it is you want

[21:56:18]

|Torg|:

they change from time to time, so saving them can hurt you

[21:56:31]

Smirnov:

no the mythtv backend/frontend settings

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seth|laptop:

when upgrading, myth usually keeps your settings, they do recommend dumoing your mysql file first though

[21:56:39]

|Torg|:

those are in the database

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|Torg|:

take your datbase and dump it befoer you upgrade, or if your anal like me do hourly backups

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Smirnov:

how about installation folders and such , i dont want to have it installed into a different folder than bfeor

[21:57:23]

** seth|laptop backs it up monday wednesday and friday **

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|Torg|:

install in /usr/local

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** Milosch runs an rsync weekly **

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|Torg|:

everything else is in the code

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seth|laptop:

right you can pass --prefix=/usr/local in ./configure

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|Torg|:

I used to svn up every night, but it was putting too much l;oad on my poor little boxes

[21:58:46]

|Torg|:

stuarta if you want my autoroll, autoincriment mysql backup script I can pastebin it

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|Torg|:

just dont laugh at my bashfu :)

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|Torg|:

in fact is anyone here good at perl?

[21:59:16]

Smirnov:

can i just block the xbox 360 with iptables

[21:59:32]

fryfrog:

that'd probably work... but what if someone brings another xbox online?

[21:59:37]

stuarta:

no, i'm fine. i just don't have a *fixed* backup time

[21:59:44]

Smirnov:

ok, can i block all xbox 360s?

[21:59:47]

|Torg|:

the 360 has a static ip address?

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fryfrog:

rsnapshot, ftw

[22:00:00]

stuarta:

i dump my db everytime i do some testing or upgrade

[22:00:00]

iresprite:

alsoconfused: I got audio but no video.

[22:00:10]

Smirnov:

|Torg|, something tells me its got a static mac

[22:00:12]

|Torg|:

I dump it via cron every hour

[22:00:41]

|Torg|:

so does anyone here know perl wel enough to fix my cludgy episode script?

[22:00:58]

fryfrog:

rsnapshot makes a snapshot of my filesystem and db, every hour. keeps 2 of the hourlys, 1 daily, 1 weekly and 1 monthly

[22:01:01]

fryfrog:

it rocks my socks off

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|Torg|:

I guess I should say it works so it not ugly, im just not sure its 100% sound

[22:01:22]

fryfrog:

uses rsync and hardlinks, so the *size* is ~ 1 full copy + size of changes between each snap

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alsoconfused:

iresprite: what are you using for a video source, and how is it connected?

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|Torg|:

fryfrog what do you backup to?

[22:02:56]

_Sam--:

kormoc: when new songs are added to your mythtv music library, the only way those songs become part of the library is when you run the utility to scan for new songs?

[22:03:10]

kormoc:

_Sam--, correct

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iresprite:

alsoconfused: I have digital cable coming in from a Comcast STB through composite cables (L/R/video).

[22:03:17]

fryfrog:

the files i backup are /etc and /var/www mainly

[22:03:26]

fryfrog:

iresprite: the stb doesn't have firewire out?

[22:03:34]

|Torg|:

no fryfrog I was wondering bece I could back up my FE to the BEs 2TB raid5 array

[22:03:35]

_Sam--:

why couldnt that program that scans for new music be put into cron to run regularly so that users wouldnt have to manually update their libraries?

[22:03:48]

|Torg|:

but in reality its just a few config files, so curretnly I write them to DLT4 tape

[22:03:59]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: did you configure the video device to use the correct input, and configure an external channel change command?

[22:04:22]

fryfrog:

|Torg|: i wish i had tape or something, but I don't. I really need to backup my music, web site and a few other things to nice good quality DL media and put them someplace safe :/

[22:04:24]

kormoc:

_Sam--, it's built into the plugin as far as I know. In theory, you could write something that would do the same

[22:04:36]

|Torg|:

that dlt array is loud as hell, its just a stacker

[22:04:44]

|Torg|:

that and the whole thing only holds 1tb of tape

[22:04:55]

fryfrog:

bah, better than nothing eh?

[22:04:58]

|Torg|:

its mostly there beaase its been there for a long time :)

[22:05:09]

fryfrog:

hehe

[22:05:19]

iresprite:

alsoconfused: no firewire. Just coaxial cable and composite.

[22:05:44]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: it was fryfrog who asked you that.

[22:05:56]

iresprite:

Ah. My bad. :)

[22:05:59]

fryfrog:

its okay, i still read it :)

[22:06:01]

|Torg|:

ive even considersmaybe getting a n untrim2 library or something but there like $15K a piece

[22:06:06]

_Sam--:

kormoc: it seems outdated to have to "updated your library" everytime you add new items....i think most other things (WMP and other upnp based media servers) just look at the media directories every so often and update

[22:06:11]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: but i asked if you set the correct input and channel change command

[22:06:20]

iresprite:

As for the video source and the external channel change-- yeah, those have been correct for months.

[22:06:33]

iresprite:

Everything went well until last night when my machine froze up.

[22:07:05]

fryfrog:

_Sam--: mythmusic is a bit worse for the wear, it doesn't seem to have recieved any love or attention in a while

[22:07:16]

bsjeep:

any reason why .iso playback broke last week in the svn/trunk

[22:07:17]

fryfrog:

you'd think you could also play music when you weren't *in* myth

[22:07:21]

iresprite:

(strangely, mythtv-setup seems to freeze when I hit escape to leave)

[22:07:24]

fryfrog:

also, the navigation of songs is a big tedious

[22:07:54]

Smirnov:

who plays music on their tv anyways

[22:08:03]

_Sam--:

i dont — i play it on my stereo

[22:08:04]

fryfrog:

bitches, thats who!

[22:08:06]

_Sam--:

and watch the gui on my tv

[22:08:52]

_Sam--:

fryfrog : people who work on mythmusic are on this channel, and hearing your / our comments? :)

[22:08:55]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: the freeze on mythtv-setup might also be due to a config problem with the video device, or maybe it has to do with mythfilldatabase.

[22:09:10]

fryfrog:

_Sam--: sure, but i don't think many *are* working on mythmusic

[22:09:14]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: do you have the v4l2-ctl command?

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fryfrog:

its an acknoledged bad part of myth for sure

[22:09:33]

fryfrog:

i *believe* one of the SoC projects was to make mythmusic better

[22:09:37]

fryfrog:

they failed :(

[22:09:45]

|Torg|:

id remove mythmusic were it not for the fact my wife uses it all the time

[22:10:21]

|Torg|:

unfortunaly I showed here how to rip here cds to disk taking up a sizble chuck of my riad5 array

[22:10:27]

|Torg|:

hence the reason its 2tb

[22:10:31]

fryfrog:

hehe

[22:10:35]

_Sam--:

poor baby :)

[22:10:35]

iresprite:

alsoconfused: nope.

[22:10:48]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: how about ivtv-ctl ?

[22:11:08]

iresprite:

ivtvctl? sure.

[22:11:35]

Milosch:

i wonder, if i tried to run mytharchive and it failed writing the dvd because of a bad cable, can i use the work folder to burn a dvd manually somehow?

[22:11:35]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: try using it to set the appropriate input on the card, then try mplayer again.

[22:12:35]

georgy:

skreet : no, only the umax_pp file

[22:12:54]

|Torg|:

how many problems am I going to run into if I just do a svn up and a nw make without doing a make distclean?

[22:13:18]

|Torg|:

I do it all the time to save time, but im htinking one of these days im going to run into problems

[22:13:34]

|Torg|:

anyone ever run into problems from not doing a make clean first?

[22:14:39]

iresprite:

alsoconfused: Just to check, I tried doing ivtvctl -I to check the input, and got the following:

[22:14:45]

eskil:

_Sam--, fryfrog, we hear...

[22:14:51]

_Sam--:

eskil : THANKS!

[22:15:05]

jams:

|Torg|- yes you can run into problems.

[22:15:06]

_Sam--:

if you could tell me the manual command to run to update my media library, id run it from cron

[22:15:22]

_Sam--:

if it were possible — but im guessing i need to write some scripting :)

[22:15:24]

jams:

most of the time the commit log will mention if a distclean is needed or not

[22:15:36]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: what about ivtvclt -n

[22:16:04]

|Torg|:

tanks jams it hasnt causd a problem, yet...but im waiting

[22:16:13]

|Torg|:

it cuts down on compile time considerably tho

[22:16:20]

jams:

sure does

[22:19:41]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: any luck?

[22:20:08]

iresprite:

Yep. That did it. And I figured out I was using the wrong input there, so mplayer finally showed both video and audio just fine.

[22:20:27]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: so mythbackend is happy now?

[22:20:37]

iresprite:

well, no. mplayer is.

[22:20:54]

iresprite:

I don't know whether that fixes mythbackend's hangup issue...

[22:21:01]

** stuarta fires up the new mini mac... **

[22:21:09]

ShiftyPowers:

is there a way to add sudo to a command in mythtv-setup without it requiring a password?

[22:21:13]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: one way to find out...

[22:21:19]

ShiftyPowers:

or how do i give permission to a certain user to run a command

[22:21:19]

ShiftyPowers:

?

[22:21:28]

ShiftyPowers:

i'm trying to run ionice -c3 mythcommflag

[22:22:05]

kormoc:

ShiftyPowers, in the sudo conf you can setup that sort of magic, google has plenty of info on how do to that

[22:22:18]

ShiftyPowers:

ok, i'll try that

[22:22:33]

|Torg|:

its in /etc/sudoers

[22:22:49]

|Torg|:

mythtv ALL=NOPASSWD:/sbin/halt,/sbin/reboot,/bin/mount,/bin/umount,/usr/local/bin/mythb ackup,/usr/local/bin/mythrestore,/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend,/usr/local/sbin/hibe rnate

[22:23:03]

kormoc:

that'd be the magic

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|Torg|:

did I ruin the trick

[22:23:39]

kormoc:

heh, not at all

[22:23:46]

kormoc:

I just didn't have an example handy :P

[22:24:06]

|Torg|:

I only have it as its a leftover from knoppmyth

[22:24:18]

|Torg|:

I run myth as root

[22:24:44]

iresprite:

alsoconfused: no good.

[22:27:38]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: did you try the backend with -v all? was there anything interesting at the tail of it?

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Beirdo:

Blargh! I need my frigging Santana CDs but they are a few thousand miles away

[22:29:51]

ShiftyPowers:

|Torg|, so hold on, i have to put all that in the sudoers?

[22:30:06]

|Torg|:

its a list of commands

[22:30:11]

iresprite:

alsoconfused: I'll check.

[22:30:28]

|Torg|:

if you want a user to do it with no password you need the first part, the next is just a list of commands it can do

[22:31:08]

ShiftyPowers:

ah gotcha

[22:31:12]

ShiftyPowers:

cool thanks man

[22:31:18]

ShiftyPowers:

so in my case i would just do

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ShiftyPowers:

mythtv ALL=NOPASSWD:/path/to/mythcommflag

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ShiftyPowers:

something like that?

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|Torg|:

yes

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|Torg|:

if you want that user to be able to do commflag

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ShiftyPowers:

cool

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ShiftyPowers:

works for me

[22:32:23]

ShiftyPowers:

thanks man

[22:33:15]

ShiftyPowers:

sorry, it would be ionice that i'd need to do

[22:34:09]

ShiftyPowers:

how can i start mythcommflag in mythtv using the GUI?

[22:34:13]

ShiftyPowers:

is it in Recordings?

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iresprite:

alsoconfused: so I've got a pretty lengthy backend log here, but nothing is jumping out at me.

[22:38:08]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: can you pastebin the last hundred lines?

[22:38:16]

iresprite:

Plenty of mysql queries, but nothing I can see about sockets. Sure, I'll pastebin it.

[22:38:30]

xris:

ShiftyPowers: if you press right-arrow over a recording, you get a menu of options

[22:38:58]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: you can also try starting the backend with --nohousekeeper and --noautoexpire

[22:40:39]

iresprite:

Mm.

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iresprite:

Hm. I noticed a mysql error in the log...

[22:44:43]

alsoconfused:

yeah?

[22:44:51]

degreseven:

not exactly myth related, but does anyone know of an easy way to normalize volume levels on video files (.avi's mostly)?

[22:45:07]

degreseven:

all my videos are different volume levels & i'm always blasting the stereo accidently

[22:46:46]

iresprite:

Database error was:

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iresprite:

Table './mythconverg/program' is marked as crashed and should be repaired

[22:47:32]

iresprite:

alsoconfused: http://pastebin.com/865330

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stuarta:

iresprite: time to repair your database....

[22:49:36]

iresprite:

Seems so!

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iresprite:

Not sure how to go about doing that.

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stuarta:

mysqlcheck -u root -p mythconverg

[22:50:10]

stuarta:

possible adding a -r will also be require

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stuarta:

d

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alsoconfused:

iresprite: you may want to make a copy of /var/lib/mysql/mythcoverg first... just in case the checker makes things worse.

[22:50:59]

stuarta:

never seen it do that

[22:51:52]

stuarta:

possible adding a -r *may* also be required

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alsoconfused:

stuarta: that's what the farmer said when his horse died.

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iresprite:

so:

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iresprite:

mysqldump -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg -c > mythtv_backup.sql

[22:52:46]

iresprite:

?

[22:53:19]

alsoconfused:

iresprite: no just a filesystem copy of the dir.

[22:53:27]

alsoconfused:

better to shutdown mysql first tho.

[22:54:17]

iresprite:

'kay.

[22:54:34]

alsoconfused:

gotta run. good luck!

[22:54:44]

iresprite:

Eep.

[22:54:50]

iresprite:

I hope that's all that's wrong. :)

[22:55:08]

iresprite:

and thanks so much!

[22:56:49]

iresprite:

stuarta: what's the -r for?

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stuarta:

repair :)

[22:57:30]

stuarta:

try without, then add if required

[22:58:52]

iresprite:

Also-- is the root user necessary for mysqlcheck?

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|Torg|:

just delete everything from program and re mythfilldatabase

[22:59:03]

iresprite:

If I normally sign on as mythtv, should I use that?

[22:59:28]

stuarta:

|Torg|: still gunna need to repair the database

[22:59:35]

iresprite:

Mm. Hadn't thought of doing that.

[22:59:58]

stuarta:

iresprite: you need to use a DB user with sufficient rights, normally mythtv user has this

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|Torg|:

if its just his liksting, why does he need to repair the table, it can be refetched

[23:00:45]

iresprite:

mythconverg.program

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iresprite:

error : Table './mythconverg/program' is marked as crashed and should be repaired

[23:00:50]

iresprite:

Looks like -r will be needed.

[23:01:00]

stuarta:

adding good data to a broken table = bad data

[23:01:25]

stuarta:

it's like trying to carry water in a bucket with a hole

[23:01:26]

|Torg|:

deleting everythiing in the table shoudl fix that

[23:01:40]

|Torg|:

he could also drop teh table and recreate it

[23:01:52]

Beirdo:

or like putting premium gasoline into a busted jalopy.

[23:02:20]

stuarta:

|Torg|: it's simpler to repair the table, the utility is there, and it *works*

[23:02:59]

|Torg|:

ok stuarta if you say so, persoanly I drop and recreate my tables all the time. Since I understand sql I condifer that easier then running some program I am unsure what it does to the data

[23:02:59]

stuarta:

hey Beirdo, how's life :)

[23:03:07]

Beirdo:

not bad at all :)

[23:03:18]

iresprite:

seem to be stuck here:

[23:03:19]

Beirdo:

got a cute puppy chewing on a toy beside me

[23:03:19]

iresprite:

mythconverg.recordedrating OK

[23:03:23]

Beirdo:

:)

[23:03:33]

stuarta:

got a cute new mini mac on the desk :)

[23:03:37]

Beirdo:

nice

[23:04:19]

Beirdo:

hoping to make the switch from digital cable to Dish one of these days, stop paying this shitty provider so much money

[23:04:59]

|Torg|:

Beirdo you figure a way to get dish HD to the mythbox, tell me please :)

[23:05:05]

Beirdo:

but you know how it works, buy food first... I wish immigration procedures didn't take so damned long

[23:05:13]

Beirdo:

not gonna be doing HD here

[23:05:19]

Beirdo:

not worth the extra money :)

[23:05:38]

Beirdo:

but if I ever find out, I'm sure I'll let people know ;)

[23:06:02]

|Torg|:

the only way I know is to use a HD module from an old HD recover and a ahcked io board

[23:06:36]

iresprite:

stuarta: looks like it skipped a bunch of blocks, but it went through the repair.

[23:06:58]

stuarta:

iresprite: as long as everything comes back OK then all is good

[23:07:06]

iresprite:

ended up with status OK, yup.

[23:07:08]

WZ__:

its possible to get HD from a DVB card to mythtv

[23:07:37]

|Torg|:

yes I do it all the time

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iresprite:

stuarta: anything else you think I should do before reatarting the backend?

[23:08:09]

|Torg|:

corect Beirdo you need someone to interface a legitmate cam to it

[23:08:11]

stuarta:

not atm

[23:08:16]

Beirdo:

unless their CAM cards work on DVB cards with CAM

[23:08:18]

WZ__:

right. dish HD requires the module like you say but not legit

[23:09:18]

WZ__:

exactly :)

[23:09:31]

|Torg|:

I didnt say you can do it legitanly, I was thinking more in the lines of the firewire for cable today

[23:09:35]

Beirdo:

i.e. DVB in europe has HD on it some places I've heard

[23:09:38]

WZ__:

bell HD does not require the module is all

[23:09:53]

Beirdo:

I would love to have a firewire connection on the sat receivers :)

[23:10:00]

|Torg|:

yes WZ__ but you still need to interface a CAM to it, and that part is illegal

[23:10:08]

WZ__:

again.. righto :))

[23:10:20]

|Torg|:

Beirdo so would I, its why I asked

[23:10:23]

Beirdo:

|Torg|, not if Bell Expresspoop would let you use their CAM cards in DVB cards :)

[23:10:31]

|Torg|:

i.e. if you discover a reciver please tell me

[23:10:31]

Beirdo:

heh

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WZ__:

our local cable company actually has firewire out of their HD cable box and it works!

[23:10:36]

Beirdo:

for sure

[23:10:45]

Beirdo:

yeah, cable boxes with firewire are known

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stuarta:

lucky you

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iresprite:

whoo! stuarta, you are the man! (or the paragon of whatever gender you prefer)

[23:10:56]

Beirdo:

satellite boxes with firewire would be SOOO nice

[23:11:01]

WZ__:

ive never tried it tho. just read about it

[23:11:08]

** stuarta is da man! **

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iresprite:

as is alsoconfused. Either of you can rely on me for a free beer next time you're in my neck of the woods.

[23:11:24]

WZ__:

the important part is that 5c (?) encryption which is apparently off on most channels

[23:11:31]

iresprite:

MythTV up and running. Whew.

[23:11:53]

Beirdo:

Bell isn't known for being smart, WZ__. Give them time, they'll screw you over as they always do

[23:12:04]

stuarta:

right, OS updates done, now to install the dev kit...

[23:12:05]

|Torg|:

depends on cable provider WZ__ and if it came from teh sat providers I dount they would turn it off on any, even the free, channels

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BULLE:

Beirdo: yes, there are dvb hd broadcasts in europe, both over dvb-s and dvb-c and a few non official dvb-t aswell

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Beirdo:

BULLE, you lucky people :)

[23:12:49]

BULLE:

Beirdo: well, there are very few channels so far

[23:12:52]

** stuarta gets BBC HD test mux **

[23:12:55]

Beirdo:

I have an ATSC card, but I can't receive signal for crap in our location

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** Beirdo curses the mountains **

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BULLE:

Beirdo: move to sweden =)

[23:13:15]

|Torg|:

Beirdo ddi yuo try a drop amp?

[23:13:21]

Beirdo:

nah, I already moved to Puerto Rico

[23:13:25]

|Torg|:

or is becase sometning blcoks the signal

[23:13:32]

** stuarta suggests a bigger aerial **

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WZ__:

apparently in canada they arent really supposed to turn the encryption on so its off on most channels. i havent done much checking but i know there are only a few channels with encrypt turned on with local cable

[23:13:41]

Beirdo:

no, no amps yet, I have a shit antenna, and there are mountains around

[23:13:54]

|Torg|:

antenna is more imprtant then amp

[23:13:56]

WZ__:

seems like they havent really figured out the rules yet

[23:14:16]

Beirdo:

in downtown Toronto, I could receive all the Buffalo HD stations from Harbourfront perfectly on a shit antenna

[23:14:22]

Beirdo:

all the way across the lake

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|Torg|:

I put up a dirtial yagi on a 25" poll and that helped imensly the drop amp just makes the signal stay steady

[23:15:03]

|Torg|:

the stations I get very well are about 70 miles south of me, the ones I am suposed to get are 25 miles NE and they dont come in worth a damn

[23:15:08]

Beirdo:

I might get a better antenna some time, but honestly, I think the sat receiver's gonna be better for me

[23:15:24]

Beirdo:

I don't want to receive Spanish soap operas in HD anywayd

[23:15:44]

Beirdo:

the stations I got in Toronto were > 100 miles away, but over flat water

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|Torg|:

how did you know univision was the only station that comes in 100% :P

[23:16:57]

Beirdo:

hehe, I just know

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|Torg|:

usted no habla esponol :P

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|Torg|:

this incliudes mpeg and iso files

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|Torg|:

mplayer dvd:// -dvd-device %d -fs -zoom -vo xv -ao alsa -ac hwac3,hwdts

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xris:

|Torg|: you don't use the internal player for dvds?

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Eradan:

|Torg| if only that worked for me .... i just can't get spif passthrough ... i can redirection audio .. but passthrough just won't work :(

[23:53:43]

|Torg|:

yes xris I do

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|Torg|:

its in the database from a while ago

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xris:

ah

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|Torg|:

and Eradan SPDIF passthough is a matter of setting up asla correctly

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fysa:

uh oh. terminate called after throwing an instance of 'HttpStatus::ProcessRequest() – Unexpected Exceptionstd::bad_alloc

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Eradan:

|Torg| oh ?....

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