| Thursday, January 18th, 2007, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:07] | Kronuz: | what if it comes from the live buffer? |
| [00:00:23] | Kronuz: | let me see if I understand this correctly, there's a live buffer, right? |
| [00:00:25] | kormoc: | Kronuz, currently livetv doesn't commflag at all |
| [00:00:25] | Kronuz: | for timeshifting |
| [00:00:31] | kormoc: | it gets recorded, yes |
| [00:00:46] | Kronuz: | so one can cut from there in real time? |
| [00:00:50] | kormoc: | no |
| [00:00:52] | Kronuz: | :S |
| [00:00:57] | Kronuz: | why? |
| [00:00:58] | kormoc: | you're watching it in real time |
| [00:01:02] | kormoc: | it can't jump ahead |
| [00:01:13] | Kronuz: | okay, but from what's been recorded already |
| [00:01:17] | kormoc: | and it needs to be done recording before transcoding |
| [00:01:20] | Kronuz: | isn't it possible to cut parts of it? |
| [00:01:24] | kormoc: | yes |
| [00:01:31] | kormoc: | via setting up a cut list and transcoding |
| [00:01:37] | Kronuz: | while still keep the live recording? |
| [00:01:44] | kormoc: | uhh |
| [00:01:55] | kormoc: | so what are you attempting to do? |
| [00:02:01] | Kronuz: | hmm... like say you're watching a football match |
| [00:02:05] | Kronuz: | and you see a goal |
| [00:02:14] | Kronuz: | and then you want to save the goal in a file |
| [00:02:34] | Kronuz: | (but still keep recodring the rest of the game in the buffer for timeshifting and futurte goals) |
| [00:02:35] | kormoc: | sure, you could in theory setup a cut list, and then use nuvexport to export it out |
| [00:02:48] | Kronuz: | that's great |
| [00:03:06] | Kronuz: | okay, transcoding means re-encoding alright, but is it all really re-encoded?! |
| [00:03:07] | kormoc: | but really, that's not what myth was designed to do and you might run into issues randomly |
| [00:03:18] | kormoc: | it's already encoded, yes |
| [00:03:34] | kormoc: | but transcoding re-encodes it into rtjpeg or mpeg-4 in a nuv container |
| [00:03:35] | dagfinn: | is there any way i can check which lircd.conf the lirc is using? |
| [00:03:36] | Kronuz: | like doesn't it "reuse" the encoded data instead of re-encoding everything? |
| [00:03:43] | Kronuz: | oh |
| [00:03:44] | kormoc: | no |
| [00:04:02] | Kronuz: | kormoc: isn't it possible to re-encode to mpeg2? |
| [00:04:16] | Kronuz: | (like to keep the PVR encoding as much as possible) |
| [00:04:28] | kormoc: | Kronuz, sure, there's lossless encoders, but you can't do what you want with it |
| [00:04:45] | Kronuz: | o_O |
| [00:05:31] | Kronuz: | basically, going back to the football match, now think it's being recorded using a hardware encoder (such as PVR-150) in MPEG-2 format |
| [00:05:38] | kormoc: | yes |
| [00:06:43] | Kronuz: | maybe it would need to recalculate some parts and do a partial re-encode |
| [00:06:46] | kormoc: | Kronuz, you could use mecoder/ffmpeg to cut it outside of myth |
| [00:07:04] | kormoc: | Kronuz, which will allow you to do a stream copy (non-recode it) |
| [00:07:22] | Kronuz: | oh, great! |
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| [00:07:38] | Milosch: | dagfinn: not sure, but you should be able to specify it |
| [00:07:39] | BULLE: | so, simple c++ question, MyObject myInstance; and MyObject myInstance(); are not the same, but to me, both would be a stack allocated object, with empty/default constructor, but apparently it isnt, so what is the difference between the two ? |
| [00:07:44] | Kronuz: | I'm thinking using MythTV for what I want could be overkilling |
| [00:07:59] | Kronuz: | maybe what I need is some simple things and some redirected cat |
| [00:08:16] | Kronuz: | here and there.. then using some other utilities |
| [00:08:24] | ** Milosch hums belew ** | |
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| [00:08:51] | Kronuz: | BULLE: because the missing headers or something? |
| [00:09:23] | Kronuz: | but still, how does MythTV gets stuff from the /dev/video then? |
| [00:09:32] | Kronuz: | isn't it basically just a read()? |
| [00:09:50] | Kronuz: | (and keeping the stuff in a buffer) |
| [00:09:58] | kormoc: | Kronuz, once it get a valid mpeg-2 keyframe, yes |
| [00:10:07] | BULLE: | Kronuz: basicly, all media formats has an internal structure, cat doesnt know this, it just cuts, so you will be generating broken files |
| [00:10:29] | Kronuz: | so all I need is to wait for a keyframe |
| [00:10:34] | kormoc: | BULLE, isn't the first one just a empty memory location for the object (sorta pointerish) and the second a initilized object with no constructor args? |
| [00:10:35] | Kronuz: | (and start from there) |
| [00:11:10] | BULLE: | kormoc: well, no, because code that works looks like this QWidget window; window.resize(200, 120); |
| [00:11:21] | BULLE: | kormoc: so the first line, surely creates an object aswell |
| [00:11:25] | kormoc: | indeed |
| [00:11:35] | Kronuz: | as to have this in the file: keyframe, frame, frame, frame, ..., keyframe, frame, frame |
| [00:11:42] | Kronuz: | (but always starting with a keyframe) |
| [00:11:53] | Kronuz: | is that all, or am I oversimplifying it? |
| [00:12:00] | kormoc: | Kronuz, and then if you want to be able to seek in the file, at the end of the file you need to create a index |
| [00:12:13] | Kronuz: | oh |
| [00:12:24] | kormoc: | BULLE, I'm not too versed in c++, so I was only guessing. So why do you think they're different? |
| [00:12:42] | Kronuz: | how does streamed video work then (when you can seek before it ends) |
| [00:12:49] | BULLE: | kormoc: becuase if i do it the other way, code breaks |
| [00:13:17] | kormoc: | Kronuz, depends on the codec, some are designed to allow that, some seek in a 'broken' manor, others just don't |
| [00:13:30] | Kronuz: | the playback code, right? |
| [00:13:39] | kormoc: | BULLE, strange... might want to ask in #c++/#cpp |
| [00:13:59] | Kronuz: | kormoc: do you know what codecs allow that? |
| [00:14:04] | kormoc: | Kronuz, some players (mplayer) will attempt to autobuild the index on the fly |
| [00:14:12] | kormoc: | Kronuz, not off hand, nope |
| [00:14:33] | Kronuz: | it's going to be a hard job... the thing I'll have to do |
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| [00:28:52] | BULLE: | kormoc: he, c++ is pretty nasty, it turns out that MyObject myInstance(); realy is a function prototype, for a function called myInstance returning a MyObject and taking no parameters =) |
| [00:29:12] | kormoc: | hah, nice |
| [00:30:12] | SafeMode: | OK I have SUSE 10.2 and KTETV responds good to an ATi-Tv-Wonder PCI and Audigy2. I've loaded Cinerlerra, MythTV, Kino Gmerlin and can NOT Config any of the capture apps to capture or recognize the BTTV or V4L driver – Once I can capture from Cable TV, I should be comfortable to proceed – - I've 10 years Experience with Video in Windows but Lost in Linux |
| [00:32:44] | SafeMode: | I open MythTV Setup and fill in infor only to close finish and it never proceeds for there |
| [00:34:24] | SafeMode: | how do I get Capture apps to recognize the BTTV or V4L Driver in Linux? |
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| [00:51:29] | Milosch: | SafeMode: have you looked through dmesg to see if the driver found the card? |
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| [01:01:12] | SafeMode: | <Milosch> What is dmesg? As I say I Noob to Linux |
| [01:01:54] | Milosch: | it's a log sort of in kernel space, i.e. no file exactly, just type dmesg | grep bttv |
| [01:02:07] | SafeMode: | <Milosch> KteTV works great and sees the BTTV and V4L Drivers |
| [01:02:08] | Kronuz: | hey, does MythTV also can use the FM tuner and stuff? |
| [01:02:21] | Milosch: | SafeMode: ok, i thought you said nothing saw it |
| [01:02:30] | GreyFoxx: | Kronuz: No, not the fm tuner |
| [01:02:46] | Milosch: | unless someone revives mythfm ;) |
| [01:02:49] | ** Milosch ducks ** | |
| [01:03:09] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: but it can save just audio? |
| [01:03:19] | Milosch: | would be nice for completeness, but i see how irrelevant it must seem |
| [01:03:36] | Kronuz: | if video comes from /dev/video, where does it get the audio from the PVR cards |
| [01:03:52] | SafeMode: | No I don't know How to config Capture apps to recognize the BTTV Card – MythTV Cinelerra Kino ... etc |
| [01:03:53] | Kronuz: | (just the audio... for the PVR-150 cards for instance) |
| [01:04:06] | GreyFoxx: | Kronuz: the audio and video is embedded in the same mpeg2 stream from /dev/video0 |
| [01:04:25] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: but what if I want just the audio? |
| [01:04:37] | GreyFoxx: | I don't think that's an option |
| [01:04:37] | Milosch: | not sure if video24 would work for that (PCM on mine) |
| [01:04:42] | Kronuz: | I see |
| [01:04:59] | GreyFoxx: | Milosch: That might be the trick |
| [01:05:06] | GreyFoxx: | getting the unencoded pcm audio |
| [01:05:10] | Milosch: | and radio0 for the radio :) |
| [01:05:15] | SafeMode: | opps – lol |
| [01:05:31] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: also, this is probably a bit out of topic, but how does MythTV do the channal tunning? |
| [01:05:50] | GreyFoxx: | Kronuz: You have to be more specific with your question |
| [01:05:53] | SafeMode: | - dev/video0: is the location of the Capture device – right |
| [01:06:02] | Kronuz: | Milosch: you're just making it up, right? the /dev/radio0 |
| [01:06:08] | Milosch: | Kronuz: nope |
| [01:06:17] | Milosch: | is assigned by ivtv |
| [01:06:28] | Kronuz: | oh |
| [01:06:34] | Milosch: | and there are several other videoX devices, too |
| [01:06:56] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: what I meant is how do MythTV makes the card change the channel in the TV tuner |
| [01:07:23] | GreyFoxx: | Kronuz: It tells the driver to change the channel. I don't understand what exactly you are asking |
| [01:07:32] | Kronuz: | I mean, you can't write to the /dev/video as to say "change to channel something" can you? |
| [01:07:36] | GreyFoxx: | no |
| [01:07:41] | SafeMode: | ivtv is for V4L driver where as BTTV Driver does require ivtv – Right? |
| [01:07:42] | GreyFoxx: | but you can tell the driver to change it |
| [01:07:47] | GreyFoxx: | or from acommandline use ivtvctl |
| [01:07:54] | Kronuz: | I was just wondering how it works "under the water" |
| [01:08:03] | Milosch: | SafeMode: ivtv is for a specific series of cards |
| [01:08:03] | GreyFoxx: | kronuz ioctl calls to the driver |
| [01:08:10] | Kronuz: | ivtvctl: I suppose it's the answer :) |
| [01:08:12] | SafeMode: | ok |
| [01:08:18] | Milosch: | bttv is another |
| [01:08:38] | GreyFoxx: | ivtvctl is not used by myth, it's just a commandline app for a user to access the ioctl stuff without having to write a program :) |
| [01:08:39] | darkfrog: | I've finally got my mythbox working with FireWire....kind of. :o On certain channels it reports back: "Error was encountered while displaying video". It is specific channels that do this though. |
| [01:09:02] | Kronuz: | Milosch: and if you cat from the /dev/radio0 what do you get, in a PVR-350 for instance |
| [01:09:15] | Kronuz: | MPEG audio? what kind? |
| [01:09:18] | GreyFoxx: | Kronuz: an mpeg2 audio stream |
| [01:09:19] | darkfrog: | Anyone know what might cause that? I've been searching and haven't come up with anything valid yet....tried shutting down the box and cable box and restarting but didn't help. |
| [01:09:24] | Kronuz: | oh |
| [01:09:49] | Milosch: | i wonder how i could test that... |
| [01:10:05] | Kronuz: | then I guess mpeg2 audio streams are also frames and keyframes... maybe |
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| [01:10:22] | Kronuz: | maybe not.... I have no idea how audio is encoded |
| [01:11:00] | Kronuz: | and since the video MPEG-2 has audio too, from /dev/video, I guess it's a container or something |
| [01:11:23] | Kronuz: | not plain mpeg2 video frames ... or what? or how does it work.... |
| [01:11:47] | Kronuz: | 'cause I could guess audio is not really embedded in the video frames |
| [01:12:00] | Kronuz: | (as you can have many tracks of audio) |
| [01:12:15] | Kronuz: | (in MPEG-2... right?) |
| [01:12:27] | xris: | Kronuz: hence calling things "layers" (like mp3 is mpeg1, layer 3) |
| [01:12:41] | GreyFoxx: | each stream is identified seperately, so you can have more than 1 video stream and more than 1 audio stream within the same overall mpeg stream |
| [01:12:44] | JoeyJoeJo: | now that gentoo can run on the PS3, can mythfrontend run on it? |
| [01:13:03] | GreyFoxx: | JoeyJoeJo: So far I haven't seen anyone say they have it compiled or running on it |
| [01:13:20] | Milosch: | xris: i winced when i heard an on-air personality call it mpeg3 |
| [01:13:22] | darkfrog: | Initially I thought the myth box was just smart because it wouldn't let me go to some heretical "give money for healing" channel, but it won't let me go to HBO either. :-p |
| [01:13:34] | Kronuz: | xris: I knew MP3 was MPEG-1 Layer 3, but I don't quite get it just yet |
| [01:13:43] | Milosch: | used to work at a tv station and he was our web developer and sometimes onair dweeb |
| [01:13:55] | Kronuz: | does it mean layer 3 is for just audio? |
| [01:13:59] | JoeyJoeJo: | greyfoxx: darn |
| [01:14:18] | Kronuz: | "the audio layer" or something? |
| [01:14:25] | GreyFoxx: | Kronuz: Actually yhe audio in the mpeg2 stream off the pvr card is mp2 audio |
| [01:14:26] | Kronuz: | what about other audio tracks |
| [01:14:50] | Kronuz: | damn... I thought this things supposed to be standards :P |
| [01:14:52] | SafeMode: | Mpeg2 captures are usually have PCM Audio Format – If you run somthing like WinDVR in Windows you can Capture mPeg2/ac3 on the fly using an analog card with a stereo audio decoder – but I'm lost in Lunix LOL |
| [01:15:05] | GreyFoxx: | Kronuz, that is the standard |
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| [01:15:21] | Kronuz: | looks like a messy standard :P |
| [01:15:22] | GreyFoxx: | dvb streams are mpeg2 video and mpeg2 audio for the most part |
| [01:15:34] | GreyFoxx: | though these days they are starting to get into x264 |
| [01:20:52] | xris: | it's named after the working group that defines the standard. |
| [01:21:07] | Kronuz: | xris: that much I knew :) |
| [01:21:16] | Kronuz: | and about the Layer 3 thing |
| [01:21:19] | opello: | mPeg2 ... why the silly case? |
| [01:21:27] | Kronuz: | and sort of how video gets encoded using keyframes |
| [01:21:49] | SafeMode: | All video formats use keyframes |
| [01:21:59] | xris: | SafeMode: huh? container is the file structure that holds the data. different containers offer different features.. e.g. avi does not support anamorphic display, which makes it useless for mythtv. |
| [01:23:11] | GreyFoxx: | and not per frame audio timing |
| [01:23:16] | Kronuz: | so if MPEG-2 is the container (as it comes out from the PVR cards) what's the actual video and audio encoding? |
| [01:23:19] | GreyFoxx: | so it's easy to get a/v sync problems |
| [01:23:34] | Kronuz: | (container, because it has both audio and video) |
| [01:23:35] | xris: | Kronuz: mpeg2 video and mpeg2 audio |
| [01:23:38] | Kronuz: | oh |
| [01:23:54] | kormoc: | Kronuz, you can just play the video0 via mplayer and it will output on the command line what it thinks the video/audio is |
| [01:23:56] | Kronuz: | si it is a container *and* a video/audio codec |
| [01:24:02] | xris: | yes |
| [01:24:04] | GreyFoxx: | and there is several "versions |
| [01:24:12] | GreyFoxx: | mpeg2-ps, -es, -pes -ts etc |
| [01:24:18] | Kronuz: | and what's with the layers? |
| [01:24:19] | GreyFoxx: | all slighting different :) |
| [01:24:22] | Kronuz: | like for mp3 |
| [01:24:28] | SafeMode: | Keyframes hold all the data for compression perhaps one in every 10 frames is a key frame inbetween you have "I" Frames and "B" frames say for mPeg4 compression |
| [01:24:46] | GreyFoxx: | I think it's time for Kronuz to go become friends with google and wikipedia :)_ |
| [01:24:53] | Kronuz: | <.< |
| [01:24:54] | Kronuz: | >.> |
| [01:25:06] | Kronuz: | SafeMode: yeah, I read a bit about it too the types of frames |
| [01:25:25] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: it's just that it can be confusing if someone doesn't get you started |
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| [01:26:10] | adante: | a |
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| [01:26:24] | xlizard: | hi |
| [01:26:32] | SafeMode: | <xirs> I'm don't even have MythTV running yet that's why I'm here. I'm a Lunix Noob – but have many years in Video under Win – lol |
| [01:26:44] | hadees: | anyone know what "Warning MVs not available |
| [01:26:48] | hadees: | " means? I get this a lot in my backend logs. |
| [01:26:55] | xlizard: | i have a problem while compiling mythtv .... |
| [01:26:56] | xlizard: | ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so: undefined reference to `dvdnav_menu_supported' |
| [01:26:56] | xlizard: | ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so: undefined reference to `dvdnav_time_search_within_cell' |
| [01:27:04] | xlizard: | any ideas? |
| [01:27:09] | adante: | if i kill mythbackend in the middle of a transcode, and then restart.. |
| [01:27:16] | adante: | if i kill mythbackend in the middle of a transcode, and then restart.. will the transcode resume or start from scratch? |
| [01:27:27] | kormoc: | from scratch |
| [01:29:00] | adante: | righto |
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| [01:33:17] | SafeMode: | AnyWay can anyone help me get one of these capture apps to work form me in lunix – I've MythTV, Cinelerra Kino Gmerlim and Xine loaded :o)) |
| [01:35:27] | SafeMode: | <Kronuz>Doom9.org is a great PC Video site |
| [01:35:46] | Kronuz: | yeah, doom9, I've been there :) |
| [01:36:12] | Kronuz: | I used to use dvd2svcd and I found about it first at doom9 (a few years ago) |
| [01:36:30] | Kronuz: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-2 has good info about MPEG-2 |
| [01:36:32] | SafeMode: | <Kronuz> you got MythTV runng – if so how did you do it? |
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| [01:36:51] | Kronuz: | SafeMode: well, I got it running a long time ago |
| [01:37:02] | SafeMode: | how – lol |
| [01:37:03] | Kronuz: | it's actually very easy |
| [01:37:10] | Kronuz: | where are you stuck? |
| [01:38:05] | SafeMode: | It's ;paded I got no dependencies it fire up but I can't get past the initial setup log on screens |
| [01:38:23] | SafeMode: | It's loaded that is |
| [01:38:47] | Kronuz: | did you get the backend up and running? |
| [01:38:53] | SafeMode: | I'm a lunix Noob |
| [01:39:10] | SafeMode: | Back end guess not what's that |
| [01:39:32] | Kronuz: | MythTV is divided in two parts a backend and a frontend |
| [01:39:40] | SafeMode: | ok |
| [01:39:51] | Kronuz: | you have to have the backend running in order to use MythTV's frontend |
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| [01:40:01] | Kronuz: | which is the one you use to actually watch the TV |
| [01:40:12] | SafeMode: | and it uses the MySLq data base right |
| [01:40:16] | Kronuz: | to have the backend running |
| [01:40:18] | Kronuz: | yeah |
| [01:40:26] | Kronuz: | that's what I was about to say :) |
| [01:40:29] | SafeMode: | How do I do that |
| [01:40:32] | Kronuz: | you need MySQL configured |
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| [01:40:36] | Kronuz: | you got that already? |
| [01:40:46] | Kronuz: | (mysql installed and working) |
| [01:40:58] | SafeMode: | Yes MySQL is load on this box |
| [01:41:13] | tank-man: | what option can i pass to ./configure to enable lirc ? |
| [01:41:16] | Kronuz: | and did you verified you can connect to it? |
| [01:41:22] | SafeMode: | How do I know MySQL is working? |
| [01:41:37] | xlizard: | type mysql in commandline :) |
| [01:41:45] | Kronuz: | run a mysql client to see if it connects to it, or check if the process is running |
| [01:41:51] | xris: | SafeMode: ps axf | grep mysql |
| [01:41:52] | RacerX2oo3: | anyone use an xbox for a frontend system. Seems like it would be a good fit, but after the cost of getting one modded, I'm not sure how cost effecttive it would be |
| [01:42:04] | red_fox: | sorry this isn't quite myth related... how do I disable screen blanking in X? |
| [01:42:17] | xlizard: | xset -blank 0 |
| [01:42:19] | GreyFoxx: | RacerX2oo3: I think the main problem with them is such low ram |
| [01:42:20] | red_fox: | I'm building a mythbox for my parents and I know that will confuse them |
| [01:42:23] | SafeMode: | Humm got error Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (111) |
| [01:42:28] | red_fox: | xlizard, kk I'll give it a try, thanks |
| [01:42:49] | Kronuz: | SafeMode: there you go, you need to get MySQL up and running first |
| [01:43:04] | SafeMode: | How do I do that |
| [01:43:06] | Kronuz: | did you try the command xris suggested above? |
| [01:43:15] | Kronuz: | ps axf | grep mysql |
| [01:43:15] | SafeMode: | I'll try |
| [01:43:59] | Kronuz: | to see if you can see the mysql process there (most likely not) |
| [01:44:04] | SafeMode: | response is this : 14914 pts/1 S+ 0:00 \_ grep mysql |
| [01:44:16] | Kronuz: | just that? |
| [01:44:25] | Kronuz: | then you don't have it running |
| [01:44:31] | SafeMode: | that was it then back to prompt |
| [01:44:39] | Kronuz: | what version of linux are you using? |
| [01:44:47] | SafeMode: | 10.2 suse |
| [01:44:50] | xris: | SafeMode: then it's not running |
| [01:44:56] | Kronuz: | you need start the mysql server |
| [01:45:10] | xris: | SafeMode: you're new to linux and you picked a nonstandard distribution? |
| [01:45:19] | Kronuz: | try '/etc/init.d/mysql start' |
| [01:45:21] | Kronuz: | or something |
| [01:45:35] | Kronuz: | I'm not very familiar with suse |
| [01:45:46] | Kronuz: | nor with any other linux for that matter :P |
| [01:45:58] | SafeMode: | I am so new to Linux I would not know a STD to non std distribution if one ran me over – lol |
| [01:46:21] | SafeMode: | so I have to install MyQSL Server – right |
| [01:46:29] | Kronuz: | yes |
| [01:46:35] | Kronuz: | or maybe it's already installed |
| [01:46:40] | Kronuz: | and you just need to start it |
| [01:47:01] | SafeMode: | humm thout I installed all the servers – full pkg of 10.2 – will give that other command a try you mentioned |
| [01:47:03] | xris: | SafeMode: suse is not very well documented for setting up mythtv. |
| [01:47:15] | RacerX2oo3: | SafeMode: I see a KnoppMyth install in your future..... here ends the prophesy! |
| [01:47:26] | Kronuz: | lol |
| [01:47:30] | xris: | SafeMode: something like fedora or knopmyth would be a lot easier for you |
| [01:47:54] | xlizard: | i think ... (k)ubuntu is currently the best distro for beginners :) |
| [01:48:04] | SafeMode: | well even if I can get Xine or Cinelerra to capture I'll be happy – KTETV works great |
| [01:48:41] | xlizard: | cinelerra for beginners? Wuuuwww... |
| [01:49:39] | xlizard: | SafeMode, if u just wanna capture someting ... try xawtv |
| [01:49:40] | xris: | SafeMode: xine doesn't capture |
| [01:49:50] | SafeMode: | well /etc/init.d/mysql start cammand response was "Starting service MySQL" and just went back to prompt |
| [01:50:02] | Kronuz: | so maybe it's started now |
| [01:50:02] | xris: | SafeMode: run the ps command again |
| [01:50:05] | Kronuz: | try mysql again |
| [01:50:13] | Kronuz: | (or what xris said) |
| [01:51:57] | schtinky: | got 4 tuners in my computer. How do I make udev assign the correct devices to /dev/video0–3 ? |
| [01:52:12] | SeaWeed: | i have a nexus-s dvb i been trying to use i have tryed 3 different pc's and 3 different nexus card 2 will scan channels fine 1 will not and none of the 3 will lock on channels i there some patch i need to use for ( nexus-s ) cards ? |
| [01:52:15] | SafeMode: | that did something got a few lines that fif not refer to an error |
| [01:52:22] | BULLE: | schtinky: by writing udev rules that do what you want |
| [01:52:36] | Kronuz: | schtinky: four tuners? using what kind of card(s)? |
| [01:52:48] | BULLE: | schtinky: the official udev site, has a pretty good tutorial on how to write good udev rules |
| [01:52:51] | schtinky: | BULLE: I've googled my arse off and can't find much that helps? I need some better examples of what other poelpe have done |
| [01:53:09] | xlizard: | SeaWeed, try szap first :) |
| [01:53:27] | schtinky: | Kronuz: one PVR-500, PVR-500 and a PCTV HD5500 |
| [01:53:35] | schtinky: | sorry pchdtv, not pctv |
| [01:53:39] | BULLE: | for "writing udev rules" |
| [01:53:39] | Kronuz: | schtinky: so three cards? |
| [01:53:39] | schtinky: | that's the old pinnacle stuff |
| [01:53:55] | schtinky: | Kronuz, but 4 tuners |
| [01:54:08] | Kronuz: | the PVR-500s? |
| [01:54:16] | Kronuz: | 'cause those have two tuners each |
| [01:54:19] | schtinky: | Bulle: Of course, I've read that page. It says nothing about video devices |
| [01:54:30] | Kronuz: | (I believe) |
| [01:54:33] | schtinky: | BULLE: and it's pretty cryptic and confusing about rules in general |
| [01:54:38] | schtinky: | Kronuz: right |
| [01:54:45] | Kronuz: | nice |
| [01:54:57] | schtinky: | I meant PVR-500, PVR-250 and a pchdtv 5500 |
| [01:55:00] | SeaWeed: | (xlizard) i have even put a bugget card in pc and scan then replace card with nexus but mythtv still not lock on channel with nexus but works fine on bugget |
| [01:55:23] | schtinky: | If somebody had some udev rules examples for their multi-tuner systems, I would appreciate it greatly |
| [01:55:30] | SafeMode: | <xris> ran "ps axf | grep mysql" got several line that did not say ERROR and I'm back to prompt what ever that means |
| [01:55:32] | Kronuz: | schtinky: I'd be interested in that too |
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| [01:55:41] | schtinky: | it's a time consuming process to reboot over and over |
| [01:55:46] | Kronuz: | I'm building a system with a whole bunch of PVR-500s |
| [01:55:49] | xlizard: | SeaWeed, try to find out if it is mythtv error or driver error ... so first try szap |
| [01:55:51] | xlizard: | :) |
| [01:55:53] | schtinky: | and what I've been able to find online is vague and scarce |
| [01:55:59] | xris: | SafeMode: the ps command lists running processes. if you see something that says mysqld or mysql-daemon, it's probably running |
| [01:56:09] | schtinky: | Kronuz: how many? |
| [01:56:19] | Kronuz: | schtinky: around 9 PVR-500 |
| [01:56:20] | xlizard: | pahaps your signal is too low and the budget-card has a better tuner :) |
| [01:56:28] | Kronuz: | 9 or 10 |
| [01:56:29] | schtinky: | kronuz: holy criznap |
| [01:56:32] | BULLE: | schtinky: the doc i pasted url to, explains it all in the best way possible, it will require some reading, but it comes with plenty of examples |
| [01:56:33] | schtinky: | kronuz: why? |
| [01:56:35] | Kronuz: | ^_^ |
| [01:56:39] | BULLE: | schtinky: its the only way |
| [01:56:52] | schtinky: | BULLE: have you done this yourself? |
| [01:57:01] | Kronuz: | well, hopefuly I can sell the system to someone who needs a video capture server |
| [01:57:05] | BULLE: | schtinky: exactly what you want to match on, realy depends on your exact hardware, you want uniquely identified devices |
| [01:57:08] | BULLE: | schtinky: yes |
| [01:57:09] | schtinky: | BULLE: if so, please paste your rules for me... I have read that doc several times |
| [01:57:09] | SeaWeed: | (xlizard) Nope signal is perfect 90% + i can close mythtv and open vdr and watch tv perfectly on same box's |
| [01:57:11] | Kronuz: | (but I first have to get it running :S) |
| [01:57:17] | BULLE: | schtinky: i have no rules for tv cards |
| [01:57:27] | schtinky: | Kronuz: how are you coming up with 9 or 10 PCI slots? |
| [01:57:37] | Kronuz: | with a PCI expansion |
| [01:57:42] | SeaWeed: | and nscan tunes and scans channels fine also |
| [01:57:44] | BULLE: | schtinky: i had to fix udev rules for some pluggable disks, but the idea is the same, irrespectively of what type of device it is |
| [01:57:46] | schtinky: | Kronuz: please elaborate |
| [01:57:50] | xlizard: | SeaWeed, ahhh ... ok, ... thats strange ... sorry dunno than :) |
| [01:57:57] | SeaWeed: | ok thanks for try |
| [01:58:06] | SafeMode: | <xris> last line was like thus "port=3306 --socket=/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock" so you believe myQSL is running – now waht to get mythTV BackEnd running |
| [01:58:14] | BULLE: | schtinky: find unique identifiers in sysfs, write rules that matches these identifieres, and map to the dev you want |
| [01:58:16] | SeaWeed: | im guessing issue with mythtv and nexus-s |
| [01:59:32] | BULLE: | schtinky: /sys/devices/pci* might be worth a shot, if some of yoru devices report the exact same vendor and model ids |
| [01:59:56] | RacerX2oo3: | Kronuz: With 20 tuners woln't you need an Electric Monk to watch them all? |
| [02:00:17] | Kronuz: | RacerX2oo3: o_O Electirc Monk? |
| [02:00:28] | schtinky: | BULLE: this is what I tried in the past: KERNEL=="snd_fm801", NAME="dsp" why didn't that work for my sound devices (it didn't) |
| [02:00:55] | SafeMode: | 20 tuners siiish – you monitorin Fort Knox – lol |
| [02:01:01] | Kronuz: | it's 2.3GB/h for mpeg2, right? |
| [02:01:05] | xlizard: | 20 tuners? woooow ....:) |
| [02:01:05] | schtinky: | Kronuz: what kind of processor are you needing for that? |
| [02:01:09] | Kronuz: | hehe |
| [02:01:12] | schtinky: | Kronuz: also watch out for the samsung tuners |
| [02:01:24] | schtinky: | Kronuz: pvr-500s come in two flavors with two different tuners |
| [02:01:26] | Kronuz: | schtinky: what samsung tuners? |
| [02:01:32] | Kronuz: | hmm |
| [02:01:34] | schtinky: | Kronuz: I got hosed by the samsung tuners version |
| [02:01:37] | schtinky: | Kronuz: and it sucks |
| [02:01:45] | Kronuz: | really? |
| [02:01:56] | xlizard: | i would be very happy it somebody implements recording 2 channels via 1 card if it is on the same transponder |
| [02:01:58] | Kronuz: | and how can one tell? |
| [02:01:58] | schtinky: | Kronuz: yeah check out the comments on newegg |
| [02:02:00] | xris: | SafeMode: if mysql is running, you first need to run mythtv-setup |
| [02:02:13] | Kronuz: | thanks for the tip :) |
| [02:02:19] | xris: | Kronuz: are you sure your pci bus can handle that much data? |
| [02:02:23] | schtinky: | Kronuz: well when I installed it, the dmesg stuff reported samsung tuners |
| [02:02:28] | Kronuz: | schtinky: I'm hoping |
| [02:02:36] | BULLE: | schtinky: impossible for me to say, it all depends on your machine |
| [02:03:08] | xlizard: | *($&(@#$ ... |
| [02:03:10] | xris: | Kronuz: bandwidth is whatever you set it to. high def is much higher, but the hauppauge cards are user-configured |
| [02:03:16] | xlizard: | ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so: undefined reference to `dvdnav_menu_supported' |
| [02:03:22] | Kronuz: | schtinky: so they sold you WinTV PVR 500 and they were Samsung? |
| [02:03:42] | schtinky: | Kronuz: the reason I asked about processing power is I've noticed that ivtv is not the most processor friendly driver in the world |
| [02:04:02] | schtinky: | Kronuz: I built about a dozen servers to do bttv x 4 but was only able to get 2x ivtv going at once |
| [02:04:08] | schtinky: | kronuz: on much better hardware |
| [02:04:08] | xris: | schtinky: better than encoding by hand |
| [02:04:17] | Kronuz: | RacerX2oo3: Douglas Adams? the one who wrote the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? |
| [02:04:25] | schtinky: | xris: not in my experience |
| [02:04:53] | xris: | schtinky: something must be wrong with your setup. I got about 1–2% cpu usage encoding with my pvr-150, vs about 80% cpu usage encoding similar quality with a framegrabber |
| [02:04:55] | Kronuz: | schtinky: hmm |
| [02:05:11] | Kronuz: | schtinky: I'mm be using a dual core Xeon at 1.8Ghz |
| [02:05:14] | schtinky: | xris: I guess I'm doing something wrong but the software encoding with ffmpeg that I'm doing takes up about 13% processor while the ivtv (with the hardware encoder) seems to take about 35–45% |
| [02:05:22] | schtinky: | xris: that's on a nforce2 1.8 ghz mobo |
| [02:05:23] | RacerX2oo3: | Kronuz: The one and same. The Electric Monk is designed to believe things for people so they don't have to. He goes insane after being hooked to a video recorderr and watching 11 channels at the samw time |
| [02:05:45] | Kronuz: | RacerX2oo3: lol |
| [02:05:54] | RacerX2oo3: | Kronuz: The recorder only has to record the channels, but the monk has to BELIEVE them |
| [02:05:56] | hadees: | anyone know what "Warning MVs not available" means? I get this a lot in my backend logs. |
| [02:06:00] | xris: | schtinky: yeah, sommething definitely weird there. ivtv shouldn't use any processor to encode. |
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| [02:06:09] | schtinky: | xris: I don't know. I've been working direclty with Hans, the ivtv creator |
| [02:06:09] | xris: | Kronuz: what exactly is this system for? |
| [02:06:20] | schtinky: | xris: he didn't think I was doing anything particularly wrong |
| [02:06:32] | schtinky: | xris: maybe the closed captioning driver or something |
| [02:06:37] | Kronuz: | I'll be capturing video clips from news and sport matches |
| [02:06:42] | xris: | schtinky: might be. I never did anything like that |
| [02:06:42] | Kronuz: | in real time |
| [02:06:47] | Kronuz: | (from several sources) |
| [02:06:50] | SafeMode: | <xis> Ok what I run MythTV Set up and enter Language US English – NEXT and Enter Host Name "SUSE" in my case Data Base: mythconverg, user: safemode, Password:whatever, DB Type MySQL then Next – I have 2 choises which one ? However if I choose either one the setup just closes |
| [02:07:24] | Kronuz: | xris: around 20 sources in fact |
| [02:07:25] | RacerX2oo3: | Kronuz: Maybe you can sell a system like that to The Daily Show ) |
| [02:07:35] | Kronuz: | hehe |
| [02:07:43] | xris: | Kronuz: just going to be a single machine, or is it some kind of proof of concept? |
| [02:08:00] | Kronuz: | well, it's a proof of concept |
| [02:08:09] | Kronuz: | I'm hoping it'll work |
| [02:08:16] | Kronuz: | and if it does, I'll be able to sell it right away |
| [02:08:18] | schtinky: | Kronuz: maybe you can sell it to me... |
| [02:08:22] | BULLE: | schtinky: what does udevtest /class/sound/dsp tell you then ? |
| [02:08:29] | schtinky: | Kronuz: my company is rooseveltmedia.com |
| [02:08:50] | Kronuz: | schtinky: I'd be glad |
| [02:09:25] | Kronuz: | hey, it seems a lot like I'll build |
| [02:09:55] | Kronuz: | yep, exactly what I'll build the system for (sort of) |
| [02:10:21] | Kronuz: | tho' I won't be doing any voice recognition |
| [02:10:36] | schtinky: | Kronuz: I stopped doing VR about 6 months ago |
| [02:12:06] | schtinky: | and generates terrible transcripts |
| [02:12:15] | SafeMode: | <xris> Ok what I run MythTV Set up and enter Language US English – NEXT and Enter Host Name "SUSE" in my case Data Base: mythconverg, user: safemode, Password:whatever, DB Type MySQL then Next – I have 2 choises which one ? However if I choose either one the setup just closes |
| [02:12:26] | Kronuz: | schtinky: that's what I thought |
| [02:12:37] | xris: | SafeMode: is your computer's dns name SUSE? |
| [02:12:46] | xris: | usually it would be something like localhost |
| [02:12:47] | SafeMode: | YES |
| [02:13:00] | xris: | SafeMode: type: ping suse |
| [02:13:10] | SafeMode: | ping suse |
| [02:13:15] | SafeMode: | humm |
| [02:14:23] | xris: | schtinky: um, yeah. that has nothing to do with ivtv, then. |
| [02:15:01] | Kronuz: | I think YUAN makes vide capture cards with MPEG4 hardware encoders |
| [02:15:26] | kormoc: | Plextor makes hardware mpeg4 capture cards with linux and mythtv support |
| [02:15:30] | xris: | only one I know of for linux is the one from plextor |
| [02:16:28] | SafeMode: | It pings but I just crashed my System tray |
| [02:17:00] | xris: | SafeMode: and you created a "safemode" user in mysql? |
| [02:17:05] | SafeMode: | I entered SUSE as Local Host when Installing the OS |
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| [02:17:18] | xris: | SafeMode: I would recommend reading the mythtv documentation for how to set up the database, etc. |
| [02:17:37] | Kronuz: | hopefully the ivtv driver is not going to be a problem (taking all the CPU) |
| [02:17:51] | SafeMode: | I believe I did when running the MythTV Set up |
| [02:17:57] | Kronuz: | schtinky: what do you currently use for your website? |
| [02:18:41] | fragged: | stupid question, how do I start mythTV? |
| [02:18:44] | xris: | SafeMode: mythtv-setup doesn't set up the database. that was asking you for the current configuration |
| [02:18:44] | SafeMode: | OK Read Myth doc on how to set up database – were do I find that Google? |
| [02:18:51] | xris: | fragged: frontend or backend? |
| [02:18:59] | SafeMode: | OK I understand |
| [02:19:01] | xris: | SafeMode: mythtv.org would be a good start |
| [02:19:04] | Kronuz: | schtinky: and how do that transcript work? 'cause it seems it follows with red what the vide os saying? |
| [02:19:05] | fragged: | xris, in order to have it all running on one box, do I need both? |
| [02:19:15] | xris: | fragged: it's still separate programs, yes |
| [02:19:30] | fragged: | xris, ok yeah I guess I need to start both then :p |
| [02:19:32] | xris: | SafeMode: and I would still recommend that you start with an easier distribution if you're new to linux and just doing mythtv. |
| [02:19:38] | xris: | fragged: run mythtv-setup |
| [02:19:42] | Tanthrix: | Anyone know any known issues that can cause recordings to stop prematurely at random points, like 1 hour recordings stopping at say 37 minutes? Happens about once a week for me. |
| [02:20:00] | xris: | fragged: starting the backend depends on your distribution, but there's usually an init script called mythbackend. |
| [02:20:04] | xris: | the frontend is mythfrontend. |
| [02:20:10] | Tanthrix: | I'm logging the back end now to see what's going on when it happens next, but I thought I'd pop in and see if anyone has heard of this happening. |
| [02:20:11] | xlizard: | well ... thats a good topic ... is there a way to compile mythbackend without mythfrontend? |
| [02:20:12] | RacerX2oo3: | SafeMode: Unless you are particularly attached to SUSE, you should really try out KnoppMyth |
| [02:20:21] | schtinky: | Kronuz: like I said I use bttv x4 in each computer |
| [02:20:33] | schtinky: | kronuz: winfast 2000 |
| [02:20:35] | schtinky: | deluxe |
| [02:20:50] | fragged: | xris, Ok, cheers |
| [02:20:51] | kormoc: | Kronuz, ivtv uses next to 0 cpu power, that's part of the resason to get one |
| [02:20:52] | Kronuz: | oh |
| [02:21:01] | Kronuz: | yep |
| [02:21:04] | xris: | fragged: I recommend that you read the documentation. |
| [02:21:10] | SafeMode: | Ok thanks – Set Up a DataBase in MyQSL so that MythTV can access it – I know I should have choose Ubantu I give this a go for a time longer before I get totally fustrated – thanks |
| [02:21:18] | Kronuz: | kormoc: but I read above ivtv has some issues that makes it take too much CPU |
| [02:21:20] | kormoc: | xlizard, yes, and it saves you 0 time and around 1.1 megs of disk space |
| [02:21:28] | kormoc: | Kronuz, where'd you read that? |
| [02:21:28] | xris: | Kronuz: did you miss the part that he's doing on-the-fly transcoding to mpeg4? that's what's eating up his cpu |
| [02:21:38] | Kronuz: | above, someone said so, I think... |
| [02:21:41] | schtinky: | the ivtv mpeg-2 files are considerably bigger than mpeg-4 files of the same quality, though |
| [02:21:46] | Kronuz: | oh |
| [02:21:46] | xlizard: | kormoc, uhhmm .... |
| [02:21:49] | Kronuz: | :P |
| [02:21:51] | kormoc: | xlizard, also isn't supported by myth, so any bugs is your's to handle |
| [02:21:54] | schtinky: | so you have to rig up transcoding processes |
| [02:21:54] | Kronuz: | hehe |
| [02:21:56] | schtinky: | which is a pain |
| [02:22:12] | schtinky: | I liked my bttv mythbox better than this ivtv stuff |
| [02:22:17] | fragged: | xris, yeah, I will eventually but for now I'm just trying to verify if the install went ok... should mythtv-setup be somewhere on the system or in the install folder? |
| [02:22:22] | kormoc: | xlizard, it's to help people porting it, not ment to actually be used |
| [02:22:28] | Kronuz: | xris: I did miss that part :P |
| [02:22:34] | xris: | fragged: you need to install mythtv first. |
| [02:22:36] | xlizard: | the most paiful stuff on mythtv is ... I need an Xserver on my backend system :( |
| [02:22:41] | SafeMode: | CYA Later Lunix People – drop by Dalnet #Windows95 – some time – I'm top end there :o)) |
| [02:22:56] | kormoc: | xlizard, well, you need the x headers at least, aye |
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| [02:23:15] | xlizard: | i need an gui to setup ... for example |
| [02:23:18] | schtinky: | was he kidding by saying Lunix or was that intentional? |
| [02:23:20] | hadees: | anyone else here have xorg lockup issues? |
| [02:23:22] | fragged: | xris, I did ./configure make make install on mythtv but its not registering when I type it at a terminal, is this normal? |
| [02:23:23] | xris: | xlizard: no you don't |
| [02:23:29] | kormoc: | xlizard, well, you can actually do that remotely |
| [02:23:39] | xlizard: | O.O |
| [02:23:42] | xris: | schtinky: I'm going to guess that it was just another typo — he's been a bad typer |
| [02:23:43] | xlizard: | how? |
| [02:23:47] | kormoc: | xlizard, mythtv-setup is generic so no matter which host it's run on, it's the same settings |
| [02:23:57] | kormoc: | well, the master ones at least |
| [02:23:57] | xris: | kormoc: not true |
| [02:24:06] | xris: | xlizard: ssh -X or ssh -Y |
| [02:24:15] | xris: | kormoc: tuner cards are important, and per-host |
| [02:24:21] | kormoc: | xris, crap, true |
| [02:24:27] | xlizard: | kormoc, but, mythsetup needs to access my dvb-hardware |
| [02:24:31] | kormoc: | I was just thinking master backend ip and that jazz |
| [02:24:34] | Kronuz: | lol |
| [02:24:36] | xris: | xlizard: X forwarding with ssh |
| [02:24:40] | Kronuz: | he says lunix every time :P |
| [02:24:41] | kormoc: | xlizard, then yeah, X forwarding over ssh like xris said |
| [02:24:42] | schtinky: | quick straw poll... what tuners have you guys used and what did you think? |
| [02:24:54] | schtinky: | winfast 2000 deluxe has been awesome for me |
| [02:25:07] | kormoc: | schtinky, m179 (rebranded pvr 250) jealous of the 150 |
| [02:25:09] | schtinky: | prolink pixelview play-tv mpeg-2 was AWFUL on just about every count imaginable |
| [02:25:19] | Tanthrix: | Could running mythrename.pl cause a program to stop recording for some reason? Looks like my cron job happened to run it right around when the last program stopped recording halfway.. |
| [02:25:27] | xlizard: | i'm known in xforwarding ... thats the way i did it ... but ... a simple cli interface would be much nicer for that |
| [02:25:35] | schtinky: | my samsung-powered pvr-500 has been terrible |
| [02:25:42] | schtinky: | but the quality on my pvr-250 has been good |
| [02:25:43] | kormoc: | xlizard, you could write one :P |
| [02:25:54] | kormoc: | schtinky, did you update ivtv far enough to get the samsung fixes? |
| [02:25:56] | schtinky: | my pcHDTV has been frustrating to get working... but it looks nice when it works |
| [02:26:08] | schtinky: | kormoc: not sure |
| [02:26:10] | xris: | xlizard: mythtv is designed to be relatively easy to use.. assumes that people are either running a single-machine setup, or know how to do X forwarding. but you have no argument from me that a cli would be nice for some stuff. |
| [02:26:13] | Tanthrix: | schtinky: PVR-150 MCE – pretty happy with it. |
| [02:26:15] | xlizard: | kormoc, no, i cant :) |
| [02:26:28] | kormoc: | schtinky, ivtv 0.7.1 is the one recommended as far as I know |
| [02:26:37] | schtinky: | kormoc: the ivtv page is pretty restrictive in what kernel you're using and what version of ivtv you can use |
| [02:26:44] | schtinky: | so I think I'm 0.8.0 which might be a few versions old |
| [02:26:47] | schtinky: | due to my kernel vesrion |
| [02:26:48] | schtinky: | version |
| [02:27:06] | Kronuz: | schtinky: how does that captioning thing work? |
| [02:27:19] | schtinky: | Kronuz: you can't put me out of business!! |
| [02:27:26] | Kronuz: | lol |
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| [02:27:30] | Kronuz: | I won't :) |
| [02:27:37] | schtinky: | Kronuz: just kidding.. I use ntsc-cc |
| [02:27:54] | kormoc: | schtinky, heh, well, perhaps you should try others in the 0.8.x branch ( like 0.8.2) which is still for the 2.6.18 kernel |
| [02:27:59] | schtinky: | Kronuz: but it's very finnicky. I use zvbi-ntsc-cc on my ivtv based 64-bit systems |
| [02:28:23] | Kronuz: | but is that a server side thing then? |
| [02:28:23] | schtinky: | Kronuz: would you be interested in my new mythtv project? |
| [02:28:34] | xlizard: | grr |
| [02:28:34] | schtinky: | Kronuz: I was telling xris and some people about this earlier |
| [02:28:44] | xris: | ok, later, all... I'm headed home. |
| [02:28:52] | xlizard: | where there is no --disable-dvd switch .... :( |
| [02:28:56] | schtinky: | Kronuz: basically we create a mythplugin called "mythcontribute" or something |
| [02:29:06] | xlizard: | still hanging in this ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so: undefined reference to `dvdnav_menu_supported' |
| [02:29:16] | schtinky: | Kronuz: which allows mythtv users to save transcripts from local TV news programs |
| [02:29:24] | Kronuz: | oh |
| [02:29:25] | schtinky: | Kronuz: and then upload them to my company's servers |
| [02:29:40] | schtinky: | Kronuz: which would create a far-reaching text transcript database |
| [02:29:59] | schtinky: | Kronuz: for use by PR firms, government agencies, etc... basically anybody who's on local news |
| [02:30:00] | Kronuz: | as if the users would have to contribute with some transcripting? |
| [02:30:00] | kormoc: | schtinky, you do know that you are likely breaking copyright law by doing that, right? |
| [02:30:13] | schtinky: | kormoc: actually, it's not |
| [02:30:22] | Kronuz: | nope |
| [02:30:22] | kormoc: | schtinky, ooh? you sure? |
| [02:30:31] | schtinky: | kormoc: it has been decided by several US state courts that closed captioning is in the public domain |
| [02:30:42] | Kronuz: | no copyright braking is taking place there |
| [02:30:46] | kormoc: | fair nuff |
| [02:30:55] | Kronuz: | yep, most likely |
| [02:30:57] | kormoc: | I know that transcripts are considered copy-righted |
| [02:31:08] | schtinky: | kormoc: it's definitely a legal gray area |
| [02:31:13] | Kronuz: | they are, but the use you give to them is what it counts |
| [02:31:26] | schtinky: | kormoc: but stations have not had much success defending their rights to closed captioning |
| [02:31:36] | schtinky: | kormoc: video is a totally different story |
| [02:31:39] | kormoc: | Kronuz, public display is the topic, so that's the area we're talking bout :P |
| [02:31:50] | Kronuz: | oh |
| [02:32:11] | schtinky: | kormoc: it seems that when the closed caps are to newsworthy content |
| [02:32:13] | kormoc: | schtinky, well, tv show transcripts, akin to John: Hey Bob Bob: Yo John that have been typed in by fans have been sued off of the web before |
| [02:32:47] | kormoc: | but perhaps they just never had real lawyers or as you say, CC is different |
| [02:33:19] | schtinky: | kormoc: might have something to do with the fact that stations allow cc companies to create the cc in the first place |
| [02:33:26] | Kronuz: | schtinky: I'm intrigued onhow that CC works in the website |
| [02:33:31] | schtinky: | kormoc: which is the first "derivative work" from their content |
| [02:33:40] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [02:33:44] | kormoc: | could very well be |
| [02:33:54] | schtinky: | kormoc: and when they broadcast it and it's newsworthy content... it kinda crosses that line from copyrighted to public domain |
| [02:34:37] | schtinky: | Kronuz: pretty simple: capture the closed caps, time index it... and wham you have yourself a transcript database |
| [02:34:50] | Kronuz: | schtinky: but on the web |
| [02:34:57] | Kronuz: | you use ajax or what? |
| [02:35:05] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [02:35:14] | schtinky: | Kronuz: my idea is to use the mythtv community to get a global database going... sell access to it and then kickback a percentage of the revenue to open source projects |
| [02:35:34] | Kronuz: | does it go showing in red the words that are been said in the video? |
| [02:35:42] | schtinky: | every time a mythtv contributor uploads a transcript, it's a "vote" for their favorite open source project |
| [02:35:50] | schtinky: | and the revenue is divided accordingly |
| [02:35:57] | Kronuz: | that's a nice idea |
| [02:36:01] | Kronuz: | I like it |
| [02:36:05] | schtinky: | thanks |
| [02:36:12] | schtinky: | hopefully you can help me out when I get it going |
| [02:36:26] | schtinky: | I already have the searching/distribution side going |
| [02:36:30] | Kronuz: | still I don't get how you use the transcripts on the web (ther than for displaying the whole thing oro searching) |
| [02:36:41] | schtinky: | and my bttv computers are doing most transcirpts in the mid-atlantic of the united states |
| [02:37:14] | schtinky: | Kronuz: so... I cover most of the mid-atlantic |
| [02:37:16] | kormoc: | Kronuz, basically it's like this, Step 1: Get a massive database of closed captions, Step 2: ??? Step 3: Profit! |
| [02:37:23] | schtinky: | which for all intents and purposes is the 6 tv markets in virginia |
| [02:37:42] | kormoc: | Kronuz, it's doubtful to know what step 2 will involve till it's actually going |
| [02:37:54] | schtinky: | I have organizations that need to know what is said on the local news from these 6 markets as customers |
| [02:38:01] | schtinky: | they use the transcript database to know what is said |
| [02:38:11] | kormoc: | ooh, there's step 2 then |
| [02:38:12] | schtinky: | virginia department of transpotation for example |
| [02:38:23] | kormoc: | step 2: sell trascripts to companys |
| [02:38:48] | ** schtinky whispers "they can get video too.... sshhhhh" ** | |
| [02:38:48] | Kronuz: | schtinky: pm |
| [02:39:09] | schtinky: | what is "pm" |
| [02:39:19] | Kronuz: | schtinky: :P private message |
| [02:39:24] | kormoc: | schtinky, heh, if your plugin also sends video, it won't ever be offical |
| [02:39:26] | schtinky: | I'm not much of an IRC'er |
| [02:39:29] | schtinky: | I'm drunk right now |
| [02:39:29] | Kronuz: | (stuff is getting out of topic) |
| [02:39:40] | schtinky: | Kormoc: the plugin would not send video |
| [02:39:43] | RacerX2oo3: | OffTopic!!!! I've got the latest release of KnoppMyth installed with KDE 3.5 installed as well. For some reason my display is limited to 1024x768, any ideas ? |
| [02:39:58] | schtinky: | kormoc: I doubt mythtvers would allow that kind of access to their machines |
| [02:40:11] | kormoc: | schtinky, aye, that also *is* illegal :P |
| [02:40:27] | schtinky: | kormoc: depends on who you ask :) |
| [02:40:37] | Kronuz: | schtinky: I totaly understand the use of CC in that way, but I mean, I guess I need to rephrase my question... say a customer opens your website, then selects a recorded show, the recorded show begins to play in the customer's web browser |
| [02:40:57] | schtinky: | Kronuz: I can neither confirm or deny that assertion |
| [02:40:57] | Kronuz: | where is the transcript shown? in a new window, right? |
| [02:41:06] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [02:41:25] | Kronuz: | I was guessing yhe words being said in the video were also being highlighted in that transcript |
| [02:41:28] | kormoc: | Kronuz, forget the video, it's a very dark legal area and honestly not likely to exist |
| [02:41:30] | Kronuz: | is that how it works? |
| [02:41:47] | kormoc: | Kronuz, most likely you'd go to the page and get a text page full of what was said, not the video |
| [02:41:56] | Kronuz: | oh |
| [02:42:01] | Kronuz: | just that then? |
| [02:42:05] | kormoc: | yes |
| [02:42:08] | Kronuz: | I see |
| [02:42:14] | Kronuz: | is that right schtinky? |
| [02:42:19] | schtinky: | http://hq.dynalias.com/tv/servlet/FullTranscr . . . e=jim%20webb |
| [02:42:35] | Kronuz: | 'cause on the system I'm working on, I do publish video too |
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| [02:42:36] | schtinky: | can you see that? can't remember if you need cookies first |
| [02:42:45] | kormoc: | schtinky, aye, can see that |
| [02:42:46] | Kronuz: | yep, I can see it |
| [02:43:10] | kormoc: | Kronuz, again, sharing video is a very dark legal area (considered by most to be illegal due to copy right law). |
| [02:43:15] | Kronuz: | schtinky: but then you don't show the video, right? |
| [02:43:27] | schtinky: | Kronuz: neither confirm nor deny |
| [02:43:27] | Kronuz: | kormoc: not in every part of the world ;) |
| [02:43:49] | schtinky: | kronuz: I have started a new company called tvclipfinder.com... rooseveltmedia just coasts |
| [02:44:02] | kormoc: | Kronuz, true, but this channel has been asked to stick to US law by the mythtv developers, so we just don't ever condone it |
| [02:44:05] | schtinky: | Kronuz: due mostly in part to copyright restrictions |
| [02:44:42] | schtinky: | right now there is a broadcast monitoring industry that has no explicit permissions to sell stations' content but does anyway |
| [02:44:49] | schtinky: | and stations, for the most part, have considered it a valueable service |
| [02:44:54] | schtinky: | that's why it has been allowed |
| [02:44:56] | Kronuz: | schtinky: hypotherically speaking, if you'd want to hightlight the current work being said in the video in the transcript window, using a browser, can you do it? |
| [02:45:13] | schtinky: | when a person calls into a local tv staition for a certain clip they have not wanted to make that DVD or VHS tape themselves |
| [02:45:18] | schtinky: | so an industry sprung up |
| [02:45:34] | schtinky: | rooseveltmedia.com was a brainchild of doingn that more efficiently |
| [02:45:45] | schtinky: | tvclipfinder.com was a spinoff to do it more legally |
| [02:46:13] | fragged: | Why would make give me an error about libavcodec? |
| [02:46:27] | schtinky: | I can tell you from insider knowledge that the freeloading clipping industry is on its last leg |
| [02:46:52] | schtinky: | every major TV group I've talked to is developing their own recording and distribution platforms |
| [02:47:02] | schtinky: | or is signing on to companies that do it already |
| [02:47:08] | schtinky: | such as tvclipfinder.com :) |
| [02:47:24] | Kronuz: | schtinky: so all you need to do is to migrate to other countries, that's all ;) |
| [02:47:25] | RacerX2oo3: | I've heard reports that some broadcasting companies want shows like The Daily Show, and The Jimmy Kimmel Show to pay big bucks or using theeir content |
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| [02:47:52] | schtinky: | RacerX2oo3: that's called satire |
| [02:48:02] | schtinky: | RacerX2oo3: they can use that content til the cows come home |
| [02:48:12] | fragged: | Anyone? |
| [02:48:14] | jcopper: | nickname jcopper |
| [02:48:18] | schtinky: | RacerX2oo3: and not pay a dime to the original broadcaster |
| [02:48:32] | schtinky: | RacerX2oo3: the company that delivers the video to them, however, can charge whatever they want |
| [02:48:34] | briand: | fragged: what exactly is make complaining about libavcodec? that it cannot find the library? |
| [02:48:54] | RacerX2oo3: | I understand that's how the law is written, the media companies are getting greedy and want to define it as Entertainment |
| [02:49:03] | kormoc: | jcopper, yes, your nickname is jcopper |
| [02:49:14] | schtinky: | RacerX2oo3: they're wasting their time, then |
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| [02:49:42] | schtinky: | anybody else interested in MythContribute? I'm going to set up a website for the project this weekend |
| [02:49:46] | schtinky: | more details to come... |
| [02:49:51] | schtinky: | as they say |
| [02:50:04] | jcopper: | thanks kormoc |
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| [02:50:28] | kormoc: | no problem |
| [02:50:31] | fragged: | sry I cant post it to pastebin, its on another box with no NIC |
| [02:50:57] | fragged: | mmm nfi where fidyvv came from, must be tiered :P |
| [02:51:06] | schtinky: | the beauty of a myth community effort to make a transcript database is that the database would be global very fast |
| [02:51:12] | schtinky: | there are mythtv users everywhere |
| [02:51:22] | schtinky: | the best my company could do on its own is like top 150 US markets only |
| [02:51:52] | schtinky: | with a myth contributor database, we'd have teletext from england, australia... anywhere that text is coming over the airwaves |
| [02:52:47] | Kronuz: | schtinky: what about countries with other languages? |
| [02:52:56] | Kronuz: | how would that work? translations? |
| [02:53:02] | schtinky: | Kronuz: a possibility: haven't thought about it much |
| [02:53:07] | Kronuz: | let's |
| [02:53:10] | schtinky: | kronuz: definitely difficult |
| [02:53:15] | Kronuz: | your idea sounds cool |
| [02:53:22] | schtinky: | kronuz: thanks |
| [02:53:38] | schtinky: | Kronuz: every major web 2.0 development has been from user-generated content |
| [02:53:41] | Kronuz: | information could be sold very expensively |
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| [02:53:45] | schtinky: | google adsense, wikipedia, youtube, etc |
| [02:53:52] | schtinky: | I think the myth community has some power in that regard |
| [02:54:19] | schtinky: | and we, at tvclipfinder, would like to help it realize that power |
| [02:54:29] | Kronuz: | all MythTV needs is a Windows port.. there are many Windows junkies out there |
| [02:54:52] | scottder: | Hey all, I am trying to run the remove commercial script as User Job and have th narrowed the issue to the mythtranscode line |
| [02:54:53] | schtinky: | I'm not a mythtv developer... but isn't a windows port near impossible? |
| [02:55:01] | scottder: | mythtranscode --honorcutlist --showprogress -i /video/hold/1036_20070110193000.mpg /video/hold/1036_20070110193000.mpg.tmp |
| [02:55:02] | adante: | i thought the definition for web 2.0 was that is was based on user-generated content? |
| [02:55:09] | Kronuz: | well, not if you rewrite the whole thing ^_^ |
| [02:55:09] | scottder: | 2007-01–17 21:53:27.552 Unknown video codec: |
| [02:55:15] | scottder: | is the error I get |
| [02:55:23] | schtinky: | adante: it might as well be |
| [02:55:31] | schtinky: | adante: because they all are |
| [02:55:42] | adante: | schtinky: no, i thought it IS |
| [02:55:47] | Kronuz: | adante: it's not really the definition |
| [02:55:52] | schtinky: | adante: according to whom? |
| [02:55:55] | Kronuz: | but it definitely has something about it |
| [02:55:58] | schtinky: | adante: time magazine? |
| [02:56:16] | adante: | schtinky: can't remember where i read it thats just the way i've thought of it |
| [02:56:26] | schtinky: | adante: I'm trying to think of a web 2.0 company that DOESN'T use user content... and it's hard |
| [02:56:26] | adante: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0 Web 2.0, a phrase coined by O'Reilly Media in 2004,[1] refers to a perceived or proposed second generation of Internet-based services.such as social networking sites, wikis, communication tools, and folksonomies.that emphasize online collaboration and sharing among users. |
| [02:56:50] | schtinky: | adante: good call then |
| [02:57:14] | Kronuz: | schtinky: so both TVClipFinder and RooseveltMedia are yours? |
| [02:57:20] | schtinky: | kronuz: yes |
| [02:57:28] | Kronuz: | what's the difference between the two again? |
| [02:57:54] | adante: | schtinky: well, who knows, the wp article goes on to say nobody knows what it really means heh |
| [02:57:57] | schtinky: | I know there probably aren't many developers listening right now, but if anybody wants to help develop the simple transcript-recording and uploading plugin for mythtv, please let me know |
| [02:58:24] | SlicerDicer-: | adante: web 2.0 annoys me |
| [02:58:27] | SlicerDicer-: | sounds so lame |
| [02:58:33] | Kronuz: | lol |
| [02:58:35] | SlicerDicer-: | and then everything is becoming 2.0 blah blah |
| [02:58:38] | schtinky: | slicerdicer: it does sound lame until you think about it |
| [02:58:41] | scottder: | No idea why it should be able to transcode that recording. It's mpeg 2 |
| [02:58:42] | adante: | i'm inventing web 3.0 as we speak |
| [02:58:46] | Kronuz: | but Web 3.0 will rock |
| [02:58:54] | SlicerDicer-: | OMGZOR! |
| [02:58:57] | SlicerDicer-: | web 3.0 |
| [02:59:01] | adante: | SlicerDicer-: wait till you have to type www2.domain.com |
| [02:59:01] | ** SlicerDicer- head explodes ** | |
| [02:59:13] | Kronuz: | good luck we didn't have Web 2000 |
| [02:59:14] | Kronuz: | lol |
| [02:59:24] | Kronuz: | it was "anything 2000" |
| [02:59:33] | SlicerDicer-: | thats like Windows CEMENT |
| [02:59:33] | adante: | web eleventybillion.0 |
| [02:59:38] | schtinky: | do you guys ever stop and think that only a little over 100 years ago the light bulb was being invented? |
| [02:59:47] | ** schtinky 's head explodes ** | |
| [03:00:25] | schtinky: | by the way |
| [03:00:32] | SlicerDicer-: | schtinky: I try not to think about the little things |
| [03:00:38] | SlicerDicer-: | I dont use lightbulbs |
| [03:00:47] | schtinky: | I think it's within the myth community's power to create a sports pre-emption handling system, too |
| [03:00:55] | SlicerDicer-: | I use eleventybillion.0 lights |
| [03:01:00] | schtinky: | led's only? |
| [03:01:02] | schtinky: | candles? |
| [03:01:12] | schtinky: | burning animal bones? |
| [03:01:16] | Kronuz: | schtinky: once I get the system up and running I'll show it to you, maybe you could use it ;) |
| [03:01:17] | ShorTie: | when using a nexus-s you get get (LMNC) @ the bottom as it's tuning to a channel, what do those mean? |
| [03:01:31] | schtinky: | kronuz: what's more important is getting video from various locations |
| [03:01:43] | schtinky: | kronuz: recording 20 stations in one location doesn't do me much good |
| [03:02:01] | Kronuz: | schtinky: it's all planned ;) |
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| [03:02:06] | SlicerDicer-: | schtinky: can you magine that 60 years ago that there was no such thing as "movie piracy?" OMG |
| [03:02:07] | fragged: | anyone have any ideas? |
| [03:02:35] | ** schtinky is getting pissed that his girlfriend was "tired" tonight ** | |
| [03:02:40] | SlicerDicer-: | lol |
| [03:02:52] | Kronuz: | SlicerDicer: 30 years ago there was no such thing as "software piracy" |
| [03:03:12] | SlicerDicer-: | Kronuz: I was being safe |
| [03:03:16] | Kronuz: | schtinky: yeah, that sucks :( |
| [03:03:24] | SlicerDicer-: | cause I know as soon as I claim something some asshole will come along and prove me wrong :) |
| [03:03:29] | Kronuz: | SlicerDicer: I like to live in the edge ;) |
| [03:03:51] | Kronuz: | so let the assholes pop! |
| [03:03:56] | Kronuz: | j/k |
| [03:04:07] | SlicerDicer-: | they dont just pop on me they wink at me |
| [03:04:08] | SlicerDicer-: | :/ |
| [03:04:26] | Kronuz: | lol |
| [03:04:39] | schtinky: | Kronuz: send me an email at mail@tvclipfinder.com and I'll put you down as a beta tester |
| [03:04:46] | schtinky: | kronuz: or helper or something |
| [03:05:18] | Kronuz: | schtinky: for the mythtv plugin? ('cause I don't really use mythtv much these days :P) |
| [03:05:28] | Kronuz: | I'm programming the whole day every day :( |
| [03:05:35] | schtinky: | kronuz: what are you doing on this channel then? |
| [03:05:39] | Kronuz: | I'm a slave |
| [03:05:48] | Kronuz: | hehe |
| [03:05:48] | schtinky: | kronuz: I think you could build a little mythtv system to help a brotha out |
| [03:06:06] | Kronuz: | you mean the plugin? |
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| [03:06:45] | schtinky: | kronuz: no I mean build a system wherever you are to help contribute to the transcript database |
| [03:07:09] | schtinky: | one person and a mythbox = 6 or more transcripts per day |
| [03:07:13] | schtinky: | and that's with only 1 tuner |
| [03:07:14] | GreyFoxx: | svn up |
| [03:07:16] | GreyFoxx: | oops |
| [03:07:31] | Kronuz: | schtinky: oh |
| [03:07:43] | Kronuz: | schtinky: different language here :( |
| [03:08:20] | schtinky: | I want to build a mythtv service (not unlike zap2it) that also allows people to handle sports pre-emptions |
| [03:08:32] | schtinky: | so that if a football game goes into overtime or whatever |
| [03:08:41] | schtinky: | their mythbox will compensate and record the proper timeslot |
| [03:09:18] | schtinky: | almost like a bittorrenty peer2peer reaction system |
| [03:09:19] | jcopper: | just add extra time to all sports events during recording |
| [03:09:37] | schtinky: | jcopper: that's pretty inexact, no? |
| [03:09:51] | Kronuz: | anyway, gotta run now... I'm tired and I'm heading home |
| [03:09:57] | Kronuz: | cya |
| [03:10:04] | schtinky: | later |
| [03:11:37] | psm321: | i wish stations would either allocate enough time for sports in the first place or just cut them off instead of messing up the whole rest of the schedule |
| [03:11:38] | jcopper: | true but a workaround none the less |
| [03:12:01] | GreyFoxx: | psm321: Or just air them on sports only channels hehe |
| [03:12:10] | cesman: | schtinky: is tvclipfinder going to have a linux client? |
| [03:12:11] | psm321: | that would be wonderful |
| [03:12:49] | schtinky: | it's all web-based, so yes |
| [03:13:07] | schtinky: | you think I'd make somethign windows specific? HA! |
| [03:13:20] | schtinky: | I'd rather blow my brains out |
| [03:13:31] | cesman: | :) |
| [03:13:39] | cesman: | just a query |
| [03:13:43] | schtinky: | Flash video is a great thing |
| [03:13:51] | cesman: | couldn't tell |
| [03:14:12] | schtinky: | until flash video came along, I had to make divx available via the web player or also via "right click download" for non windows users |
| [03:14:25] | schtinky: | which is a pain in our asses, since we only have one windows computer in the office |
| [03:14:25] | jcopper: | has anyone used the Myth Rename perl script? |
| [03:14:29] | schtinky: | (for quickbooks) |
| [03:14:32] | jcopper: | is it worth doing |
| [03:15:02] | GreyFoxx: | the "is it worth it" is something only you can answer :) |
| [03:15:39] | GreyFoxx: | personally I don't use it, but I just don't need it |
| [03:15:41] | jcopper: | when does it change the file name and database name |
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| [03:15:50] | GreyFoxx: | jcopper: When you run it |
| [03:15:54] | cesman: | lol |
| [03:15:56] | psm321: | i use an older version that just creates symlinks |
| [03:15:59] | psm321: | very useful |
| [03:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | :) |
| [03:16:00] | ** cesman was thinking the same thing ** | |
| [03:16:04] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [03:16:12] | psm321: | i also modded it to make separate directories for shows |
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| [03:17:08] | ** cesman ponders if schtinky has thought of MythClips.... ** | |
| [03:17:53] | jcopper: | can you add the image gallery to myth web? |
| [03:17:59] | ** briand ponders if he'll then call the website MythClipJoint ... ** | |
| [03:18:06] | cesman: | lol |
| [03:18:12] | cesman: | what a joker... |
| [03:18:30] | cesman: | briand: not you... |
| [03:19:07] | briand: | understood. :) |
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| [03:28:15] | red_fox: | I'm trying to play a dvd with s/pdif passthrough, and I get audio, but the voices are very quiet and only really on the center channel. Is something wrong, or is that intended? |
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| [03:31:29] | kslater: | seems wrong to me |
| [03:31:51] | red_fox: | yeah me too, but I don't have any other 5.1 setups to compare with |
| [03:32:20] | red_fox: | xine, mplayer, and myth-dvd all do the same thing, so it is either by design or a problem in alsa |
| [03:35:02] | schtinky: | cesman: what kind of business guy would I be if I hadn't? |
| [03:35:20] | schtinky: | cesman: basically transcripts would be legal, video distribution wouldn't be |
| [03:35:48] | cesman: | define video distribution |
| [03:36:10] | cesman: | what is different if I were to use a browser or "mythclips" to watch the video? |
| [03:36:31] | cesman: | no one is talking about distributing anything... |
| [03:37:23] | fragged: | Is there any reason I get errors about libmythavcodec while trying to compile!? |
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| [03:44:07] | wilee85: | I keep getting a ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) error... can someone help me? |
| [03:44:22] | wilee85: | in mysql |
| [03:44:34] | defaultro: | is lvm+xfs the fastest file system available in linux? |
| [03:45:01] | _Sam--: | heya how do you add a new rss feed into the rss reader? |
| [03:45:12] | wilee85: | defaultro, jfs is pretty fast |
| [03:45:38] | defaultro: | what about for large files? |
| [03:45:50] | defaultro: | just want to know since i'm happy with lvm+xfs |
| [03:46:08] | defaultro: | so jfs is faster that lvm+xfs? |
| [03:46:32] | defaultro: | when I delete 20gig file, in just 1 or 2 seconds, df shows the proper size |
| [03:48:10] | wilee85: | defaultro, I use it for mythtv...delete files all the time. haven't noticed a problem |
| [03:48:19] | defaultro: | have you tried lvm+xfs? |
| [03:48:25] | wilee85: | defaultro, negative |
| [03:48:30] | defaultro: | np |
| [03:49:18] | wilee85: | defaultro, I've heard that xfs has issues finding files when it gets near being full...kind kept me away from it |
| [03:49:26] | defaultro: | oh |
| [03:49:31] | defaultro: | i never had issues with lvm+xfs |
| [03:49:36] | defaultro: | even if Ihave 0 bytes |
| [03:49:57] | wilee85: | meh...jfs works, and if it ain't broke, don't fix it, right? |
| [03:50:09] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:50:18] | defaultro: | yep, i'm thinking of keeping lvm+xfs |
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| [03:52:24] | fragged: | Does MythTV reqiure Gnome? |
| [03:52:40] | defaultro: | gnope i guess |
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| [03:54:07] | _Sam--: | i know it sounsd trivial — it should be and im not THAT dumb — but how do you add a new rss feed ? |
| [03:54:40] | AngryElf: | fragged, no |
| [03:54:51] | fragged: | cheers |
| [03:55:02] | BULLE: | fragged: no it doesnt |
| [03:55:05] | BULLE: | fragged: require gnome that is |
| [03:55:20] | BULLE: | fragged: it requires qt though, the graphics library that kde is based on |
| [03:55:22] | fragged: | It also doesnt like compiling :( |
| [03:55:40] | BULLE: | fragged: its lots of different packages, so yes, it might be a bit tricky to compile |
| [03:55:45] | fragged: | BULLE, I installed qt, doesnt seem to be doing much, might restart it |
| [03:55:51] | BULLE: | fragged: why dont you just use precompiled packages ? |
| [03:56:00] | BULLE: | restart ? heck, that wont help |
| [03:56:20] | BULLE: | installing qt should triger ld-config and other needed stuff |
| [03:56:29] | BULLE: | atleast if you installed qt via some sort of package management system |
| [03:56:55] | fragged: | What would you recommend, I followed a guide to getting it working on slackware 11, getting errors about mythavcodec |
| [03:57:32] | BULLE: | no idea to be honest, was ages since i used slackware |
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| [04:01:09] | ** mishehu bahs ** | |
| [04:01:19] | mishehu: | I still use slackware and slamd64 |
| [04:01:30] | mishehu: | who had a question about what? |
| [04:02:24] | mishehu: | fragged: qt is just a library, it in of itself isn't going to do much of anything. |
| [04:03:03] | BULLE: | mishehu: he has problems with compiling mythavcodec it seems |
| [04:04:08] | fragged: | Yeah it doesnt want to install on my system :( |
| [04:04:29] | fragged: | Getting the latest qt package atm, hoping it will help |
| [04:04:38] | BULLE: | hmmmm |
| [04:04:40] | BULLE: | latest ? |
| [04:04:46] | BULLE: | im not sure that is a good idea |
| [04:04:52] | BULLE: | check what main version mythtv wants |
| [04:04:55] | BULLE: | and use that |
| [04:05:03] | fragged: | latest 3.x version : / |
| [04:05:16] | BULLE: | ah, ye, i was affraid you were going for 4.x |
| [04:05:26] | mishehu: | fragged: what ver of slack do you have? |
| [04:05:33] | fragged: | 11.0 |
| [04:05:35] | BULLE: | problems with mythavcodec doesnt realy imply QT to be the culprit to me |
| [04:05:37] | mishehu: | if you have slack 11, the default qt package should be sufficient |
| [04:05:56] | mishehu: | fragged: can you pastebin the compile error that you are getting? |
| [04:06:16] | fragged: | mishehu, Yeah gimmie a minute |
| [04:06:27] | fragged: | I need to get an ethernet cable, thats plugged into my bro's computer |
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| [04:13:19] | ** mishehu dcc sends fragged an ethernet cable. ** | |
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| [04:14:14] | fragged: | mishehu, can I plug the other end into your switch/router/whatever? |
| [04:14:44] | fragged: | my bro wants another 10 mins, so I'll compile and install qt see if it helps |
| [04:15:13] | ** fragged needs some anger music ** | |
| [04:15:23] | mishehu: | fragged: are you building 0.20? if so, it might be a case of a missing #include in a source file |
| [04:15:30] | mishehu: | I encountered that when I built it. |
| [04:15:55] | mishehu: | I think that #include <list> or something had to be added to a couple files. |
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| [04:16:10] | fragged: | mishehu, is that a known bug? I downloaded the sources from mythtv.org |
| [04:16:36] | fragged: | dunno if you'd call it a 'bug' but whatever |
| [04:16:44] | mishehu: | that I do not know. I kinda assumed it might have been a gcc 3.4.x thingie perhaps. |
| [04:17:05] | mishehu: | but you might be building qt for no reason. |
| [04:17:20] | mishehu: | and if I was, I'd probably have used the qt slackbuild scripts... |
| [04:18:08] | fragged: | I'm relatively new to linux |
| [04:18:19] | mishehu: | I've been using slackware since 1994 |
| [04:18:31] | ** mishehu shakes his cane at all you whippersnappers ** | |
| [04:21:07] | fragged: | mishenu what gcc you running now? |
| [04:21:16] | mishehu: | 3.4.6 I believe. |
| [04:21:25] | mishehu: | I've not touched it, and that's what comes with slack 11. |
| [04:21:54] | mishehu: | oh wait, that box actually still has 10.2 on it, so it was in the extras or something |
| [04:22:26] | mishehu: | my notebook with slack 11 has 3.4.6 too |
| [04:22:32] | mishehu: | so it must be standard on slack 11. |
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| [04:25:14] | wilee85: | when I try to do /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start or restart I ge the following error: Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. can someone please help me? |
| [04:25:32] | kormoc: | wilee85, it's a common 'error' that isn't an error and can be ignored |
| [04:25:54] | fragged: | kormoc, where abouts is the 0.20-fixes? |
| [04:26:09] | kormoc: | fragged, svn.mythtv.org has instructions on how to get 0.20-fixes |
| [04:26:36] | wilee85: | kormoc, shawn@mythbox:/video/recordings$ ps -p `cat /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid` |
| [04:26:36] | wilee85: | PID TTY TIME CMD |
| [04:26:36] | wilee85: | shawn@mythbox:/video/recordings$ |
| [04:26:47] | wilee85: | it doesn't run |
| [04:26:57] | kormoc: | wilee85, well, there's another error somewhere then, but that's not it |
| [04:27:16] | kormoc: | wilee85, try running it in a terminal and see what it spits put |
| [04:27:43] | wilee85: | it runs when I just type mythbackend |
| [04:28:08] | kormoc: | as the same user your init.d script is attempting to run it as? |
| [04:28:40] | wilee85: | dunno how to even check that |
| [04:29:16] | fragged: | I've never used trac, do I just put these files over the top of the old ones? |
| [04:29:21] | kormoc: | it's likely user root or user mythtv |
| [04:29:28] | kormoc: | fragged, no, new directory |
| [04:29:52] | cesman: | guess schtinky didn't have a definition... |
| [04:30:04] | fragged: | kormoc, how would they help with the compilation of the sources, or is this another release package? |
| [04:30:17] | kormoc: | fragged, it's newer version of the source, yes |
| [04:30:23] | fragged: | ok |
| [04:31:28] | wilee85: | kormoc, i ran shawn@mythbox:/etc/init.d$ sudo -u mythtv mythbackend and it runs |
| [04:31:34] | wilee85: | but it won't start as a service |
| [04:31:53] | wilee85: | oh crap... |
| [04:31:54] | wilee85: | hold on |
| [04:33:21] | wilee85: | I never configured my static ip address... I completely forgot to after I reloaded |
| [04:38:59] | themightyshawn: | kormoc, this is wilee85 |
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| [04:39:36] | themightyshawn: | well, even after I reconfigured my network, it still won't work as a service, but it will when I run sudo -u mythtv mythbackend |
| [04:41:25] | kormoc: | sounds like you're going to have to go over the init.d script, as something is broken in yours |
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| [04:53:40] | alsoconfused: | anyone know how to set the default for the scheduled recording dialog that pops up during live tv? Mine's defaulting to "cancel recording, i want to watch tv". |
| [04:55:04] | tank-man: | mine is record and watch while recording |
| [04:55:14] | kormoc: | alsoconfused, I believe it's in the source |
| [04:55:29] | alsoconfused: | i'm doing the big grep |
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| [04:55:50] | alsoconfused: | kormoc: it seems to have changed behavior on me. |
| [04:56:06] | SeaWeed: | ok i did upgrade tonite from ( svn ) source and it fixed my ( Dish pro & Nexus ) issue's incase any 1 else has ran into this issue works perfect now |
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| [05:07:27] | tha_toadman: | can anyone assist with x-forwarding? i've read the guides, did everything and am getting nowhere with it |
| [05:08:12] | SeaWeed: | x-forwarding not shure what you mean |
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| [05:08:26] | SeaWeed: | you mean remote login for X ? |
| [05:08:30] | tha_toadman: | it's something where commands are passed to the backend |
| [05:08:38] | SeaWeed: | oh |
| [05:08:42] | tha_toadman: | no – x11 |
| [05:08:46] | SeaWeed: | sorry |
| [05:08:50] | tha_toadman: | that's ok |
| [05:09:07] | SeaWeed: | i thought you mean x11vnc |
| [05:09:10] | SeaWeed: | :) |
| [05:09:12] | tha_toadman: | i need to run 'mythtv-setup' but the darn forwarding doesn't work for me |
| [05:09:43] | clintar: | did you allow that machine to run stuff? |
| [05:09:57] | tha_toadman: | your suppose to be able to execute a command on the backend and it'll run on your machine through x11 (via the forwarding) |
| [05:10:06] | tha_toadman: | run stuff? |
| [05:10:13] | clintar: | but you have to allow the machine to |
| [05:10:15] | clintar: | right? |
| [05:10:26] | clintar: | xhost +ipaddress or something |
| [05:10:38] | Dr_willis: | I normally do a |
| [05:10:42] | Dr_willis: | xhost + whateverip |
| [05:10:51] | tha_toadman: | ssh user@host -X is what I've read |
| [05:10:53] | Dr_willis: | then telnet to the remote box set display, then run the program. |
| [05:11:06] | Dr_willis: | but ssh -X makes it MUCH easier.. no need to do the xhost + and display stuff |
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| [05:11:30] | tha_toadman: | which is why i'd like to get it going ;-) |
| [05:11:31] | clintar: | oh, dunno then |
| [05:12:01] | tha_toadman: | then gentoo guide worked until i got to the 'echo $DISPLAY' section...then i'm lost |
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| [05:12:48] | kormoc: | tha_toadman, Also keep in mind, due to how myth is, you need to use -Y not -X for your ssh forwarding |
| [05:12:57] | kormoc: | tha_toadman, only if the right package is installed :P |
| [05:12:57] | tha_toadman: | oohhh |
| [05:13:16] | tha_toadman: | right package? |
| [05:13:21] | Dr_willis: | -Y ? ive never used -Y |
| [05:13:32] | kormoc: | Dr_willis, -Y is trusted X forwarding |
| [05:13:36] | tha_toadman: | -X = secure ... -Y = unsecure |
| [05:13:40] | kormoc: | tha_toadman, you also need xauth installed on the ssh server |
| [05:13:47] | tha_toadman: | i have that |
| [05:13:53] | Dr_willis: | -Y would be bit faster then eh? |
| [05:13:57] | kormoc: | Dr_willis, it basically says you trust the other server so it's more permissive |
| [05:14:12] | tha_toadman: | dr_willis: yeah – allows more stuff to run i guess |
| [05:14:15] | kormoc: | Dr_willis, it's actually required for QT apps I believe |
| [05:14:56] | tha_toadman: | so then ... from my mac, running x11 ... i should be able to issue 'ssh user@machine -Y' |
| [05:15:08] | Dr_willis: | kormoc, cant say that ive tried that much. i normally ssh -X in and run Mythtv-setup :) |
| [05:15:22] | Dr_willis: | ssh -Y user#machine i would guess |
| [05:15:43] | kormoc: | aye, ssh -Y is what I use, the other way /should/ work but never know |
| [05:16:11] | kormoc: | Dr_willis, well, your distro might have made -X actually do -Y (it's configurable in sshd_config), which -X would work fine |
| [05:16:47] | tha_toadman: | maybe i'm trying to execute a non-mac command (according to the gentoo guide) :-P |
| [05:17:14] | tha_toadman: | my machine doesn't have 'xterm' – LOL |
| [05:18:49] | tha_toadman: | what would a mac have that i can test with? i guess i don't know how a person would remotely fire up 'terminal' on a mac from a command line..? |
| [05:20:21] | kormoc: | tha_toadman, console would work |
| [05:20:37] | tha_toadman: | ok – i'll try that — 'console &' right? |
| [05:20:52] | kormoc: | tha_toadman, just console |
| [05:20:58] | kormoc: | tha_toadman, you mean on your mac, right? |
| [05:21:03] | tha_toadman: | 'command not found' |
| [05:21:06] | tha_toadman: | right |
| [05:21:19] | kormoc: | tha_toadman, it's in your apps -> utilities I believe |
| [05:21:21] | tha_toadman: | i'm trying to launch something from the backend |
| [05:21:37] | kormoc: | tha_toadman, ooh, just run mythtv-setup and see if it works |
| [05:21:44] | tha_toadman: | ok |
| [05:22:38] | tha_toadman: | kormoc – you rock! :-D |
| [05:22:43] | tha_toadman: | it works |
| [05:22:44] | tha_toadman: | lol |
| [05:23:11] | tha_toadman: | "select your language" — i love it! |
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| [05:42:04] | xris: | any AU users online? |
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| [05:49:03] | adante: | xris: hi |
| [05:49:05] | fragged: | in mythtv-setup I'm getting the error libjack.so.0 not found but its in /usr/local/lib/ any ideas on how to fix it? |
| [05:50:01] | xris: | adante: do you know anything about a channel called "showtime 3"? |
| [05:51:40] | adante: | xris: other than it being a paytv channel, fraid not |
| [05:52:07] | adante: | well not even sure if it exists, but if it does its paytv |
| [05:52:18] | xris: | adante: it's the last station I can't find an icon for at lyngsat. |
| [05:52:29] | xris: | want to know IF it exists. heh |
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| [05:54:16] | adante: | if it exists in aus, it's paytv, and if its paytv chances are its an overseas channel |
| [05:54:34] | adante: | wikipedia alludes to a showtime 3 in its showtime entry |
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| [05:58:22] | fragged: | in mythtv-setup I'm getting the error libjack.so.0 not found but its in /usr/local/lib/ any ideas on how to fix it? |
| [05:59:01] | kormoc: | fragged, make sure /usr/local/lib is in your /etc/ld.so.conf |
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| [06:00:12] | xris: | adante: sweet, thx |
| [06:01:23] | xris: | yay, no more zap2it2 URLs. |
| [06:06:57] | defaultro: | xris, what do you mean? |
| [06:07:53] | xris: | I'm cleanout out the master_iconmap definition files |
| [06:08:00] | xris: | moving as much as possible to lyngsat |
| [06:08:16] | xris: | zap2it has two different base URLs for grabbing icons from |
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| [06:47:59] | cesman: | I swear, if I overhear someone in public stating they spam, I'll beat the living shit out of them |
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| [07:57:58] | JoeyJoeJo: | I'm getting an error when mythfrontend starts up about mythgame.. http://pastebin.com/861864 |
| [07:59:36] | kormoc: | JoeyJoeJo, so run 'DROP TABLE gameplayers;' and restart it |
| [08:00:16] | JoeyJoeJo: | I tried, and it gives a different error |
| [08:00:34] | JoeyJoeJo: | I'll get that error again and post it |
| [08:02:41] | defaultro: | hi folks, where can I download the lame library? |
| [08:03:36] | kormoc: | http://www.google.com/search?q=lame |
| [08:03:50] | defaultro: | :), i tried but it's giving me different link earlier |
| [08:03:55] | JoeyJoeJo: | kormoc: here is the error I get after I've dropped the table.. http://pastebin.com/861868 |
| [08:05:05] | kormoc: | JoeyJoeJo, seems like something broke in your DB schema update |
| [08:05:16] | JoeyJoeJo: | is there a way to fix it? |
| [08:05:54] | kormoc: | JoeyJoeJo, likely best is to grab the tables you want to keep (record, oldrecorded, etc) and start over from scratch and import the backup |
| [08:07:26] | JoeyJoeJo: | I thought you'd say that.. I'll give it a try. Thanks for your help |
| [08:09:01] | JoeyJoeJo: | is there somewhere that explains all of the tables in the DB? |
| [08:09:59] | kormoc: | don't think so |
| [08:10:12] | JoeyJoeJo: | dang, oh well |
| [08:12:21] | Toast: | Question: Could a poor signal quality on DVB cause the backend to crash? |
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| [08:19:23] | defaultro: | am I correct folks that qmake is part of QT? |
| [08:19:51] | juski: | qt-dev or similar, yes |
| [08:20:38] | defaultro: | ok |
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| [08:29:11] | juski: | Toast: it has been known |
| [08:36:00] | Dibblah: | Toast: However, that doesn't mean that a backtrace won't be looked at – Crashes are wrong :) |
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| [08:41:05] | Toast: | Do you have a site with instructions on how to do a backtrace? |
| [08:58:53] | Toast: | Thanks |
| [08:59:01] | defaultro: | juski, gmake on qt is taking forever, it's like 40 mins now |
| [09:00:32] | juski: | defaultro: ./configure |
| [09:00:33] | juski: | then make |
| [09:00:36] | juski: | then make install |
| [09:00:41] | defaultro: | :D of course |
| [09:00:47] | defaultro: | i'm done with ocnfigure |
| [09:01:13] | defaultro: | i'm running gmake now as what it mentioned after ocnifgure |
| [09:01:15] | juski: | the qmake never takes long |
| [09:01:16] | defaultro: | configure |
| [09:01:29] | defaultro: | oh |
| [09:01:31] | juski: | qmake mythtv.pro? |
| [09:01:31] | defaultro: | not qmake |
| [09:01:34] | defaultro: | it's gmake |
| [09:01:37] | juski: | gmake? |
| [09:01:39] | defaultro: | yes |
| [09:01:44] | defaultro: | i know qmake |
| [09:01:52] | defaultro: | what i'm compiling is QT |
| [09:01:52] | juski: | since when is it gmake? |
| [09:02:02] | defaultro: | it's for QT and not for mythtv :) |
| [09:02:08] | juski: | no idea then |
| [09:02:11] | defaultro: | we use qmake in mythtv |
| [09:02:20] | defaultro: | but to make on QT, it uses gmake |
| [09:02:21] | juski: | but I imagine it'll take a long time |
| [09:02:33] | defaultro: | i think i should sleep |
| [09:02:39] | defaultro: | then come back later |
| [09:02:41] | defaultro: | it's 3am |
| [09:02:46] | juski: | haven't used qmake for ages |
| [09:02:52] | defaultro: | me too |
| [09:02:56] | juski: | formally .configur, then make |
| [09:03:13] | juski: | to build mythtv. one of either configure or make runs qmake already IIRC |
| [09:03:29] | defaultro: | i dont even run qmake anymore on mythtv |
| [09:03:36] | defaultro: | i jus configure, make && make install |
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| [09:03:56] | juski: | yeh as I said I think either configure or make runs qmake so you no longer have to |
| [09:04:09] | defaultro: | oh cool |
| [09:04:27] | defaultro: | i'm use to configure, m && m i |
| [09:05:05] | defaultro: | man, i've got to sleep |
| [09:05:19] | defaultro: | this is freaking making me craze |
| [09:05:25] | defaultro: | crazy |
| [09:05:33] | defaultro: | i've been sleeping 3:30am everyday |
| [09:05:55] | juski: | heh. been there, done that. I now go to bed before 11pm these days |
| [09:06:13] | defaultro: | wow |
| [09:06:16] | defaultro: | i should do hat |
| [09:06:25] | defaultro: | i started this when at the age of 19 |
| [09:06:30] | defaultro: | i'm now 35 |
| [09:06:42] | defaultro: | and am seeing not good signs |
| [09:07:03] | defaultro: | like a erupted vein in right eye |
| [09:07:18] | defaultro: | and it blocked my vision last May |
| [09:07:29] | defaultro: | it's healed now, back to 20/20 vision again |
| [09:07:45] | defaultro: | but the dark area is coming back again snce i'm sleeping late again |
| [09:07:52] | defaultro: | ah |
| [09:07:58] | defaultro: | maybe you have an idea |
| [09:08:10] | defaultro: | in the office, i'm not able to use IRC |
| [09:08:25] | defaultro: | do you know of any php that can connect to IRC? |
| [09:08:31] | jduggan: | cgi-irc |
| [09:08:38] | defaultro: | ok |
| [09:08:41] | juski: | ssh :) |
| [09:08:43] | defaultro: | looking now |
| [09:08:49] | defaultro: | not even ssh, it will not work |
| [09:08:58] | jduggan: | defaultro: proxy infront of you? |
| [09:08:58] | defaultro: | it has to be http |
| [09:09:00] | defaultro: | yes |
| [09:09:08] | jduggan: | cant tunnel putty over http proxy? |
| [09:09:10] | juski: | heh. I'd say run a port scan but you could get fired for that ;) |
| [09:09:17] | defaultro: | i will initiate the connection to freenode from my webserver at home |
| [09:09:20] | defaultro: | not even tunnel |
| [09:09:28] | defaultro: | they have a different proxy |
| [09:09:34] | jduggan: | ic |
| [09:09:39] | defaultro: | only allowed is port 8080 |
| [09:09:48] | defaultro: | the conenction to proxy only |
| [09:10:02] | defaultro: | i tried firepass and it failed |
| [09:10:12] | jduggan: | yea, u tunnel your connection over 8080 and run sshd on port 80 or 143 |
| [09:10:12] | defaultro: | but i stopped it on 3rd try, :P |
| [09:10:27] | defaultro: | it won't work since it is using AD authentication |
| [09:10:28] | jduggan: | putty has support for http tunnels |
| [09:10:31] | jduggan: | ic |
| [09:11:00] | defaultro: | and once they see OPTION command in HTTP traffic, they will kill the TCP session |
| [09:11:15] | defaultro: | firepass uses OPTION |
| [09:11:17] | jduggan: | im glad i control firewalls/routers/general hardware here, :) |
| [09:11:21] | defaultro: | but firepass is very cool |
| [09:11:26] | defaultro: | hehehe |
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| [09:12:16] | defaultro: | man, i got to sleep |
| [09:12:20] | defaultro: | i will leave qt compiling |
| [09:12:36] | defaultro: | i will just chekc it in the moreing |
| [09:12:38] | defaultro: | morning |
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| [09:33:01] | stuarta: | morning all |
| [09:34:07] | eskil: | night all... |
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| [09:36:06] | doc_: | hi there |
| [09:48:56] | juski: | mornin' |
| [09:49:09] | stuarta: | wibble |
| [09:58:12] | jduggan: | out of interest, do you need mysql client installed to use mysql_connect() in php, or are the functions not requirin mysql libs |
| [09:59:34] | stuarta: | you need the php client |
| [09:59:52] | jduggan: | php client? |
| [09:59:53] | stuarta: | which, i expect uses the mysql client |
| [09:59:59] | jduggan: | okay |
| [10:00:03] | stuarta: | php module |
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| [10:01:04] | stuarta: | just checked, the php modules needs the mysql client |
| [10:01:38] | jduggan: | thought as much |
| [10:01:46] | jduggan: | i cant find trace of mysql client on this box |
| [10:01:56] | stuarta: | therein lies the problem |
| [10:01:58] | jduggan: | yet mysql_connect() seems to work |
| [10:02:09] | jduggan: | well its here somewhere |
| [10:02:17] | jduggan: | problem is i dont know my way round windows |
| [10:02:29] | stuarta: | ah, different kettle of fish |
| [10:02:46] | stuarta: | php on windows i would expect to use windows db libs |
| [10:10:11] | juski: | mythweb on a windows apache server? |
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| [10:39:22] | Beakster: | hey, when i press a button on my remote, the computer sees the button being pressed 2 or 3 times, i have to pres the button really quickly. how can i adjust this? |
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| [10:45:54] | qu0zl: | look at the repeat setting if you're using lirc Beakster |
| [10:48:32] | juski: | default repeat setting is 0, so if you have no 'repeat = ' line you shouldn't see repeats |
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| [11:09:15] | rsdvd: | it's very quiet in here today! |
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| [11:11:09] | rsdvd: | juski : how did the recompile of minimyth go? |
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| [11:44:43] | ssstormy: | hello, I am 99% of the way done in setting up mythtv just how i want it- but 2 problems remain. |
| [11:44:56] | ssstormy: | first, when I play live tv it will play a bit and then stop |
| [11:45:02] | ssstormy: | and repeat |
| [11:45:11] | ssstormy: | the process of play, pause for a sec |
| [11:45:42] | ssstormy: | and also there is a rather prominent humming/thrumming noise in the background, some kind of evil background noise |
| [11:46:06] | ssstormy: | there used to be a buzzing too which I fixed with a module option (I'm using snd-via82xx) |
| [11:46:34] | stuarta: | for the 1st problem, pause and unpause it. |
| [11:46:57] | stuarta: | for the 2nd, sounds like you need to mute unused inputs |
| [11:50:29] | ssstormy: | as for the first, it doesn't actually pause |
| [11:50:35] | ssstormy: | it just stops for a split second and resumes |
| [11:51:01] | stuarta: | yeah, manually pause and unpause it |
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| [11:51:23] | stuarta: | that's the workaround till we fix it properly |
| [11:52:43] | ssstormy: | oh |
| [11:52:57] | ssstormy: | oh wait does it have something to do with running just behind the live recording? |
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| [11:54:00] | stuarta: | essentially yes. |
| [11:54:19] | stuarta: | hi Merlin83b2 |
| [11:54:29] | Paladine: | I get the occassional pause if I have some heavy i/o going on with my drives |
| [11:54:30] | Merlin83b2: | Hello |
| [11:54:36] | Paladine: | butit only lasts a second tops |
| [11:54:43] | Paladine: | and continues where it left off |
| [11:54:47] | Paladine: | so I don't let it bother me |
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| [11:56:21] | stuarta: | Paladine: slightly different issue that one. |
| [11:57:11] | Paladine: | stuarta, I just put it down to deficient resources ;) |
| [11:57:45] | ssstormy: | stuarta, I can't test the audio issue right now, but I have two inputs set to record from, line in and capture |
| [11:58:10] | ssstormy: | if I mute the line in channel (can't turn off the record option for some reason) willl that get rid of the thrumming? |
| [11:58:32] | stuarta: | work out which one is the right one and try muting the other |
| [12:00:54] | quicksilver: | sometimes my livetv viewer actually quits, if I catch up with the real thing |
| [12:00:58] | quicksilver: | doesn't crash, just quits |
| [12:01:04] | quicksilver: | you can run it again |
| [12:01:14] | quicksilver: | cos it thinks the recording has finished, I presume |
| [12:02:06] | stuarta: | think that bug was fixed recently |
| [12:02:34] | quicksilver: | ah, good |
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| [12:19:00] | juski: | scary being at work today with this wind. my desk is oscillating |
| [12:19:14] | stuarta: | hahaha! that's funny |
| [12:19:23] | juski: | only on the 1st floor |
| [12:20:27] | rsdvd: | juski : close the window then :-) |
| [12:20:28] | stuarta: | new toys! more disk space! woo hoo! |
| [12:21:09] | juski: | rsdvd: we have no windows that can be opened here |
| [12:21:23] | Paladine: | juski, you got high wind down your way too? |
| [12:21:30] | Paladine: | it is freezing me ankles here |
| [12:21:35] | Paladine: | keeps blowing open the damn cat flap |
| [12:21:42] | juski: | put some trousers on then |
| [12:21:48] | Paladine: | I have trousers on |
| [12:21:52] | Paladine: | just no socks or shoes |
| [12:22:29] | Paladine: | I have claustrophobic feet |
| [12:22:36] | Paladine: | so I rarely wear anything on them |
| [12:23:17] | juski: | jesus sandals.. then grow a beard & you'll be a proper linux bod |
| [12:23:47] | Paladine: | already did the beard thing for many many years |
| [12:23:54] | Paladine: | and the hair down to the small of my back |
| [12:24:05] | Paladine: | but my feet are a real issue |
| [12:24:37] | Paladine: | have even been known to pass out |
| [12:25:30] | stuarta: | flying must be a bitch |
| [12:27:08] | Paladine: | egads |
| [12:27:14] | Paladine: | see you just freaked me out just making think of it |
| [12:27:17] | Paladine: | I love flying |
| [12:27:20] | Paladine: | hate the legroom |
| [12:27:28] | Paladine: | and I have to take my shoes off on a plane |
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| [12:29:04] | ssstormy: | I got just one more question... |
| [12:29:34] | ssstormy: | when I'm playing Live Tv, and I pause to deal with the momentary stops, the playback is still quite choppy |
| [12:29:37] | ssstormy: | and rough |
| [12:29:50] | ssstormy: | not like the other issue (pausing fixes that one) |
| [12:30:19] | ssstormy: | but when I hit "R" and it starts recording, I go to Watch Recordings and play it from there, and it's smooth as I could want |
| [12:30:49] | ssstormy: | anyone have any idea why? |
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| [12:45:42] | juski: | bah. apparently the thelwal viaduct is closed both ways :( |
| [12:46:00] | stuarta: | flooded? |
| [12:46:10] | juski: | high winds |
| [12:46:31] | juski: | a truck has overturned on the M602 crushing a car |
| [12:48:05] | rsdvd: | I would not want to go over thelwall in these winds |
| [12:49:40] | juski: | I use the m56 so I think it might take a while to get home tonight |
| [12:50:24] | rsdvd: | hopefully the winds will drop before hometime – I have to walk to the pub tonight – if the winds stay like this I will be flying there |
| [12:51:45] | stuarta: | flying back too no doubt :) |
| [12:51:58] | rsdvd: | :-) |
| [12:52:32] | stuarta: | for different reasons of course |
| [12:52:42] | rsdvd: | :-) hopefully |
| [12:53:11] | stuarta: | ENOFOOD |
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| [13:36:44] | stuarta: | Cybertoy: tried running it with --noupnp ??? |
| [13:37:05] | Cybertoy: | no ... but I'll try that... tnx. |
| [13:37:44] | stuarta: | you running the latest 0.20-fixes? |
| [13:38:07] | Cybertoy: | it's probably two months old ... |
| [13:38:26] | stuarta: | ah, you may not even have --noupnp |
| [13:38:35] | Cybertoy: | no .. I have it |
| [13:38:42] | Cybertoy: | it's showing up with mythbackend --help |
| [13:39:03] | stuarta: | good. try that, if that fixes it, it's time to update. |
| [13:39:12] | Cybertoy: | tnx for the help ... |
| [13:47:52] | juski: | whee a neighouring building has lost some of its roof |
| [13:48:02] | stuarta: | cool |
| [13:48:22] | rsdvd: | lol......you won;t think it is cool if it lands you your car |
| [13:48:33] | juski: | can't do any fine-pitch soldering today – the microscope is wobbling too much |
| [13:48:46] | stuarta: | ENOCAR |
| [13:49:05] | rsdvd: | :-) |
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| [13:53:03] | rsdvd: | Hello scopeuk |
| [13:56:47] | ** stuarta svn update's for fun ** | |
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| [14:03:29] | GreyFoxx: | stuarta: hehe |
| [14:03:40] | GreyFoxx: | LAtely I've been doing that at least once a day |
| [14:03:41] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [14:03:55] | stuarta: | yay! it built this time... |
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| [14:04:22] | stuarta: | yeah, i don't do it if I have any recordings scheduled that I care about. |
| [14:04:38] | stuarta: | since the box is prod & dev :) |
| [14:05:06] | scopeuk: | hi rsdvd |
| [14:05:31] | rsdvd: | hi scopeuk – are you enjoying the weather :-) |
| [14:05:31] | ** scopeuk is not a hapy bunney his gfx card has fried for the second time in under a year ** | |
| [14:05:40] | scopeuk: | im back at uni now off in shef |
| [14:05:48] | scopeuk: | hows the weather in mansfield? |
| [14:05:51] | juski: | wish I'd never put my s100 page up now. getting blimmin helpme emails :( |
| [14:05:53] | stuarta: | scopeuk: more fans. |
| [14:05:56] | scopeuk: | its raining here and very windy |
| [14:06:13] | scopeuk: | sturta it shouldent need it its onyl a low owered card |
| [14:06:51] | rsdvd: | scopeuk : thought you were still here! It is blowing a gale here – things are flying all over the place. |
| [14:06:59] | scopeuk: | fan had started to make a nasty noise on it recently jsut hadent to roudn to replacign the damn thing yet |
| [14:07:12] | scopeuk: | rsdvd ouch |
| [14:07:12] | rsdvd: | we keep getting dips in the power – glad the Myth box is on a ups :-( |
| [14:08:02] | scopeuk: | ouch |
| [14:08:13] | scopeuk: | then again the "grid" in mansfield isent up to scratch |
| [14:08:36] | scopeuk: | not un heard of for sections of mansfield to end up on 300v rms |
| [14:08:57] | stuarta: | that'll fry things |
| [14:09:06] | Ruleke: | quite |
| [14:09:06] | scopeuk: | stuarta yup it does |
| [14:09:28] | scopeuk: | doesent happen often furtunately |
| [14:10:23] | seth|laptop: | woohoo, portage is in sync with my KM svn update, no need to recompile, or rebuild, fired right up and started remotely commflagging :-) |
| [14:10:35] | scopeuk: | although my lights herere just dimmed |
| [14:10:39] | fryfrog: | wow, hbo is making a series based on the "song of fire and ice" series by george rr martin! |
| [14:10:55] | fryfrog: | KM ? |
| [14:11:01] | scopeuk: | knoppmyth |
| [14:11:29] | seth|laptop: | yes |
| [14:11:32] | seth|laptop: | sorry |
| [14:12:02] | seth|laptop: | knoppmyth E50 + svn-fixes = gentoo portage |
| [14:12:09] | fryfrog: | oic |
| [14:13:01] | seth|laptop: | I just emerged mythtv last night expecting to have to recompile, but it just matched up with the front/master, and now all commflagging and dvd importing are done on the slave, so my HD box is free to do HD |
| [14:13:18] | fryfrog: | spiffy |
| [14:13:25] | fryfrog: | i miss gentoo :( |
| [14:13:28] | seth|laptop: | but now I may have to subscribe to HBO on the dish for the RR Martin series, I audible'd the books |
| [14:13:38] | fryfrog: | ubuntu never has the packages i want |
| [14:15:14] | seth|laptop: | my problem was this is an older dual p3 server, KM kept barking aboiut its scsi-only drive layout, well not so much KM as lilo, so I figured I'd gentoo it, each cpu gets its own job, very nice |
| [14:15:28] | juski: | rsdvd: someone's been showing off mythtv in Aus on a couple of s100s |
| [14:15:57] | rsdvd: | juski : do you have a link |
| [14:16:01] | juski: | nope |
| [14:16:05] | juski: | had an email |
| [14:16:05] | ** seth|laptop wishes there was a way to convert his old directv dvr's to mythtv ** | |
| [14:16:12] | juski: | anyway that'd be my fault |
| [14:16:27] | adaran: | hey everyone – can someone give me advice on how to get a remote working, preferably using /dev/input/event# ? |
| [14:16:41] | seth|laptop: | you will need lirc for that I think |
| [14:16:53] | rsdvd: | juski : your fault? |
| [14:17:04] | seth|laptop: | you can use a USB receiver, but I don't think the event interface is rigged to do ir |
| [14:17:07] | adaran: | seth|laptop, well, i've read the whole point was to make it work without lirc (i plan to use it later on) |
| [14:17:17] | juski: | yeh you wouldn't believe the interest the s100 stirred at LRL |
| [14:17:29] | juski: | I should've known better :) |
| [14:17:38] | adaran: | seth|laptop, i do have a wintv-pci-fm (cx88), and i've got the IR receiver showing up at /proc/bus/input/devices as input4 |
| [14:17:45] | rsdvd: | well one look at your page and I was hooked |
| [14:17:56] | adaran: | seth|laptop, but when i run cat /dev/input/event4 or evtest /dev/input/event4, nothing happens =/ |
| [14:18:09] | adaran: | seth|laptop, i have tried with lirc and the i2c driver as well, but no luck either. |
| [14:18:23] | seth|laptop: | adaran: have you tried making a symbolic link between event4 and /dev/lirc0 ? might be somethig to look at |
| [14:18:25] | adaran: | seth|laptop, the remote is working (tested unter windows), batteries are fres |
| [14:18:56] | adaran: | seth|laptop, i don't think that'll make a difference if there is not activity at /dev/input/event4, or? |
| [14:19:18] | rsdvd: | juski : have these folks in Aus manged to get a decent distro build? |
| [14:19:19] | juski: | scopeuk: yeah the only problem is the only english guy who can be arsed to do anything about making a distro for it has an underpowered brain |
| [14:19:30] | seth|laptop: | so when you cat out that event4, and push buttons on the remote, does anything appear on the screen |
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| [14:19:44] | rsdvd: | juski : who is that :-) |
| [14:20:06] | adaran: | seth|laptop, nothing |
| [14:20:53] | seth|laptop: | hrm, well I use the mceusb ir receiver on mine, but I also use lirc, so I am not sure there, but it is an interesting concept |
| [14:20:54] | adaran: | seth|laptop, the weird thing is, i tried for hours to get it work last night – and at one point, i received some events (however, only the first two or so showed up with a huge delay, after that it stopped working for a while) – so i'm sure it can work (at least somewhat), but i haven't gotten anything since then |
| [14:21:27] | rsdvd: | juski : did you build your GAR last night? |
| [14:21:49] | adaran: | seth|laptop, ` |
| [14:21:52] | adaran: | seth|laptop, err |
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| [14:22:08] | adaran: | seth|laptop, well, the there's a dev/input driver for lirc, so if the events were working, i could just run lirc on top of it |
| [14:22:21] | adaran: | seth|laptop, other then that it's pretty neat if it works, i imagine |
| [14:22:53] | adaran: | is anyone using this remote (http://www.bttv-gallery.de/IMG_7696.jpg_wintv . . . -c1b3_a.jpg) btw? |
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| [14:23:03] | seth|laptop: | adaran: it would be slick to get that working, but trying the lirc on top, might just make it happen |
| [14:23:16] | adaran: | seth|laptop, i tried, it didn't =) |
| [14:24:00] | rsdvd: | adaran : Iused to use one before I moved to mceusb2 |
| [14:24:10] | adaran: | rsdvd, did it work? =) |
| [14:24:34] | adaran: | rsdvd, on windows, it's kinda slow (but the packaged software is horrible, so the problem may as well be there) |
| [14:24:39] | rsdvd: | seemed to – I only used it for a few weeks – but it managed to control my EPIA |
| [14:25:09] | rsdvd: | I was controling MythTv using the standard lirc stuff and a homebuilt reciver |
| [14:25:41] | adaran: | i see. well, what's driving me nuts is that it's properly recognized and all, but i can't get it do show me any input. |
| [14:25:46] | adaran: | no error messages, nothing =/ |
| [14:25:57] | adaran: | well the docs are really sparse too, not sure what it's supposed to look like =/ |
| [14:26:27] | seth|laptop: | are you using udev, or hotplug? |
| [14:26:41] | rsdvd: | It worked first time for me – I have both hauppague remotes – both work |
| [14:27:25] | adaran: | seth|laptop, not sure. kubuntu edgy, i've got udev mounted at /dev, so i'm thinking it's udev, if those two are exclusiv |
| [14:27:28] | adaran: | *exclusive |
| [14:27:43] | adaran: | rsdvd, what do you use for IR reception? |
| [14:28:31] | rsdvd: | adaran......I have a homebuilt serial IR reciver |
| [14:29:52] | seth|laptop: | well I know when knoppmyth switched from hotpllug to udev, w/E50, I had to switch my lirc device from /dev/lirc to /dev/lirc0, and then my mceusb remote worked again |
| [14:29:54] | adaran: | hmm is anyone using the ir receiver included with a card? preferably a cx88 one? |
| [14:30:23] | seth|laptop: | udev gives it a number |
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| [14:30:29] | adaran: | seth|laptop, well, i'm not using lirc, it's a layer above what i'm trying to do, i think. |
| [14:30:33] | seth|laptop: | had to make the change in hardware.conf |
| [14:30:34] | adaran: | seth|laptop, major 61 i think |
| [14:31:23] | adaran: | seth|laptop, i've read somewhere that the new input layer is interfering with the old lirc interface – but all that just leaves me frustrated because i can find no docs at all on how the architecture is supposed to work =/ |
| [14:32:41] | seth|laptop: | well I got lucky, the forums had my answer waiting the day after I installed it, and broke out the old keyboard :-) |
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| [14:33:16] | adaran: | seth|laptop, which forums exactly? =) |
| [14:33:45] | seth|laptop: | knoppmyth |
| [14:35:01] | adaran: | oh, i just got an event |
| [14:36:04] | adaran: | hmm now i'm where i left off yesterday – i press a button, nothing happens, i press buttons wildly, i get 20 events in a row and after a while nothing works anymore :P |
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| [14:37:23] | juski: | rsdvd: nope. minimyth.gar.conf or whatever is tres scary |
| [14:39:16] | scopeuk: | juski scared of a little conf file this cannot be? |
| [14:39:25] | scopeuk: | is this not the man who was a while ago considering lfs? |
| [14:39:32] | juski: | ok ok I can't be arsed right now |
| [14:39:38] | scopeuk: | fair enough |
| [14:39:51] | rsdvd: | lol – honesty |
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| [14:40:22] | adaran: | hmm is knoppmyth a livecd (= can i use it to test my remote with having to install anything?) |
| [14:40:34] | scopeuk: | adante its live cd front end |
| [14:40:47] | scopeuk: | dont know how it workswith lirc in that state never tried it |
| [14:41:41] | juski: | besides there are things I'd rather be doing.. like shagging. look at it this way, if I get more of the latter I'd be less grumpy (maybe) |
| [14:42:39] | scopeuk: | juski you not grumpy?... never |
| [14:43:11] | rsdvd: | do we need to aheva work with mrs Juski |
| [14:43:25] | scopeuk: | take it you mean word rsdvd? |
| [14:43:42] | rsdvd: | lol......oops |
| [14:45:10] | scopeuk: | oops ndead ;-) |
| [14:45:18] | ** scopeuk plots to leave the house ** | |
| [14:45:55] | Ruleke: | kitesurf to the pub :) |
| [14:46:23] | scopeuk: | that would be awsome but im gonan go meet some friend for an hour or so then setup a club nih in the union |
| [14:46:29] | scopeuk: | probably with thesame/some of those friends |
| [14:46:46] | scopeuk: | want food first though |
| [14:46:47] | juski: | scopeuk: that almost read as threesome |
| [14:47:06] | ** scopeuk notes where jsukis mind is then moves swiftly on ** | |
| [14:48:14] | scopeuk: | threesome would involve first advancign to finding a single girl that likes me |
| [14:48:21] | scopeuk: | single is apparently the awkward part |
| [14:48:37] | scopeuk: | well mroe awkward |
| [14:49:08] | Ruleke: | phew |
| [14:49:17] | Ruleke: | I would think 2 single girls but hey... |
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| [14:49:39] | scopeuk: | Ruleke need oe before you can look for a second |
| [14:49:52] | Ruleke: | go for twins :) |
| [14:50:04] | Saviq: | hi guys, can any of You point me to a cheap agp card with component out? |
| [14:50:44] | Ruleke: | I don't understand the whole component thing |
| [14:50:55] | Ruleke: | I would think it's better to have a digital connection, no ? |
| [14:51:17] | Saviq: | digital meaning? dvi? |
| [14:51:28] | scopeuk: | Saviq yes |
| [14:51:40] | scopeuk: | if your drivign a digital pannel off a mythbox and you have dvi thats the wayto go |
| [14:51:41] | Saviq: | I wonder why is it so easy to convert from dvi to "analog" rgb? |
| [14:51:52] | scopeuk: | what vga? |
| [14:52:00] | scopeuk: | a standard/old monitor coenction |
| [14:52:01] | Saviq: | yeah right – 10m of dvi cable driving to a projector? |
| [14:52:04] | Saviq: | no thank You |
| [14:52:13] | scopeuk: | componant would be worse |
| [14:52:31] | scopeuk: | covnertign dvi to vga is trivial |
| [14:52:47] | scopeuk: | do you mean componant or composite? |
| [14:52:53] | Saviq: | component of course |
| [14:52:58] | Saviq: | YPbPr |
| [14:52:58] | scopeuk: | ok jsut cheking |
| [14:53:02] | scopeuk: | right |
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| [14:53:36] | Saviq: | so called "digital" signals are too weak to be driven at long distances in my opinion |
| [14:53:42] | adaran: | hmm |
| [14:53:47] | adaran: | i remember why i'm not using lirc |
| [14:53:52] | adaran: | it's not working (not /dev/lirc) |
| [14:54:00] | scopeuk: | Saviq ive seen em sent stupid distances although vga is pretty good for long runs |
| [14:54:01] | Saviq: | apart from that I'd need a lot more cables |
| [14:54:05] | adaran: | (if i create it manually, i get 'no such device') |
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| [14:54:16] | Ruleke: | fair enough |
| [14:54:18] | scopeuk: | Saviq what else is hoked up to th projector? |
| [14:54:26] | Ruleke: | think I'll still go digital though |
| [14:54:27] | Saviq: | s-video |
| [14:54:55] | scopeuk: | right so why are ou averse to dvi? its not much bigger than an svid cable |
| [14:55:11] | scopeuk: | and could younto put the myth boxcloser to the projectoror is that not an otpion? |
| [14:56:12] | rogue780: | !paste |
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| [14:56:42] | Saviq: | scopeuk: no it's not |
| [14:56:47] | Ruleke: | I suppose with 24AWG cabling you can get 10meters |
| [14:56:59] | Saviq: | apart from that I'll need component either way – other sources |
| [14:57:22] | Saviq: | STBs and such |
| [14:57:23] | scopeuk: | Saviq fair enough |
| [14:57:54] | scopeuk: | apparently (jsut looekd it up) alot of recent geforce cards ahve the suitable conenction your lookign for one that is listed as having it output |
| [14:58:07] | scopeuk: | iirc a friend of mine recently brought a 6200card that came wit hthe lead |
| [14:58:16] | Ruleke: | He needs AGP though |
| [14:58:20] | Saviq: | that's it |
| [14:58:31] | scopeuk: | 6200 comes in an egp varien |
| [14:58:39] | Ruleke: | oh ? I didn't see taht |
| [14:58:52] | scopeuk: | 6200 is quite an old card |
| [14:59:11] | rogue780: | can someone please help me with mythtv-setup? my errors are at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2037/ |
| [14:59:11] | Ruleke: | does it matter ? |
| [14:59:13] | scopeuk: | Saviq what country you in? |
| [14:59:25] | Saviq: | Poland |
| [14:59:29] | scopeuk: | Ruleke means its more likely it has an agp varient |
| [14:59:35] | scopeuk: | ok i cant help you fidn componantsthen |
| [14:59:36] | scopeuk: | sorry |
| [14:59:51] | Saviq: | no problem |
| [14:59:58] | Saviq: | it's good that I know what to look for :) |
| [15:00:07] | Saviq: | I see a lot of them marked "hdtv" |
| [15:00:12] | Saviq: | but not all have the leads |
| [15:00:38] | Saviq: | it seems that for polish people component is not a important thing :| |
| [15:00:40] | Ruleke: | scopeuk: I mean wrt stuff like purevideo |
| [15:01:01] | scopeuk: | Saviq youcan probably find the lead on tis own somewhere |
| [15:01:19] | Saviq: | yeah I probably can |
| [15:01:22] | Saviq: | thanks again |
| [15:01:28] | scopeuk: | Ruleke iirc the 6 series support pure video although its a long time since i looked |
| [15:01:31] | scopeuk: | Saviq np |
| [15:01:34] | Ruleke: | yer |
| [15:01:56] | scopeuk: | any way imoff l8r guys |
| [15:03:15] | Ruleke: | I'm pretty sure 6200 is newer than the 6600 though, hence my confusing about the age :P |
| [15:03:52] | Ruleke: | Ooooh there's even a 6200 PCI :) |
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| [15:08:00] | Dagmar: | It's newer, but it's less powerful |
| [15:09:37] | rogue780: | can someone please help me with mythtv-setup? my errors are at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2037/ |
| [15:12:50] | opello: | mysql running? |
| [15:13:20] | rogue780: | opello, yes |
| [15:13:30] | jams: | rogue780- your having problems connecting to the database. make sure mysql is running and that the info in /home/shawn/.myhttv/mysql.txt is correct |
| [15:13:43] | juski: | rogue780: ubuntu mythtv-database package installer script changed the mythtv mysql user's password 7 stored the result in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [15:13:43] | rogue780: | I've been following the instructions on the ubuntu wiki for installing mythtv |
| [15:13:54] | juski: | I'm bloody sick of seeing that issue now |
| [15:13:59] | juski: | !trout ubuntu packagers |
| [15:13:59] | ** MythLogBot slaps ubuntu with a packagers trout on behalf of juski... ** | |
| [15:14:05] | opello: | heh |
| [15:14:37] | rogue780: | someone needs to tell superm1 to udate the wiki next time he's on |
| [15:16:06] | Dagmar: | You guys can't update the wiki? |
| [15:16:54] | rogue780: | Dagmar, due to my noobness with linux, as a rule I don't update wikis |
| [15:17:39] | Dagmar: | That's why there's a Discussion page attached to each. |
| [15:17:46] | j-rod: | frack, why does re-running mythcommflag on a recording transferred from another myth setup result in myth thinking the recording is 3 minutes long (its an hour) |
| [15:18:00] | Dagmar: | You can scribble a note on there sayig "hey we're getting a lot of reports that such and such is broken, can someone sort this?" |
| [15:18:40] | opello: | rogue780: that's what Talk pages are for? :) |
| [15:18:56] | opello: | if it's mediawiki, anyway |
| [15:19:46] | jams: | I have a couple of those cept mine went from 1 hour to 5 hours long |
| [15:19:54] | rogue780: | juski, I'm trying to login as user mythtv over ssh so I can run mythtv-setup, but I can't figure out what mythtv's password is. |
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| [15:20:32] | Dagmar: | That would be the result of the industry's new "Commercial Glomming" technology. |
| [15:20:52] | Dagmar: | You can no longer simply edit commercials out. Conservation of media now applies. All you can do is move them around. |
| [15:21:19] | Dagmar: | Try to remove a commercial and it will simply "glom onto" your next favorite or most favorite programming automatically. |
| [15:22:43] | rogue780: | juski, would I need to change the password in the ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt file to reflect that in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt? |
| [15:22:59] | fryfrog: | irc needs a sarcasm font :/ |
| [15:23:54] | tank-man: | omg, i should have setup distcc, my xbox not even done compiling the frontend |
| [15:24:04] | fryfrog: | rogue780: no, it needs to match the password to *mysql* |
| [15:24:27] | fryfrog: | ie, if you type "mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg" it'll ask for a password |
| [15:24:33] | fryfrog: | when you figure out the right one, that is what you should use |
| [15:25:09] | rogue780: | I think I got it working now...but before I actually do mythtv-setup I'm going to import my backed up database |
| [15:25:18] | juski: | maybe if people who'd previously agreed to help with 'making mythtv rock on ubuntu' didn't run away at the first sign of having to do some work (i.e. me) it'd be better off |
| [15:34:02] | juski: | time to 'ef 'orf |
| [15:34:10] | juski: | 'ed 'orf even |
| [15:34:15] | juski: | or eff orf |
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| [15:39:30] | defaultro: | oh no, the mythtv release doesn't compile well on latest QT :( |
| [15:40:07] | Ruleke: | oh noo... now you can't run some higher version and feel all warm and fuzzy :) |
| [15:40:20] | defaultro: | :) |
| [15:40:31] | stuarta: | defaultro: that'll be because it hasn't been ported to qt4 yet |
| [15:41:00] | defaultro: | i;ll downgrade |
| [15:41:00] | defaultro: | thanks |
| [15:42:34] | defaultro: | sweet, downgraded |
| [15:42:41] | defaultro: | redoing make again |
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| [16:04:50] | defaultro: | make is taking a long time |
| [16:05:03] | defaultro: | but it's good |
| [16:05:36] | defaultro: | cc1plus at 99% cpu utilization, that's why |
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| [16:26:06] | rogue780: | can someone help me with mythweb? when I try to access it I get the following: "Please install the MySQL libraries for PHP. The package is usually called something like php-mysql." |
| [16:26:24] | rogue780: | can't figure out what to install exactly |
| [16:26:40] | stuarta: | on debian it's php4-mysql |
| [16:26:59] | rogue780: | I have php5-mysql installed already |
| [16:27:27] | stuarta: | is it loaded into the apache php? |
| [16:27:32] | rogue780: | I've restarted apache2 |
| [16:27:37] | rogue780: | how do I find that out? |
| [16:27:42] | stuarta: | yeah, but is it enabled. |
| [16:27:54] | stuarta: | most distros will do it by default. |
| [16:28:46] | rogue780: | apache2 works for phpmyadmin. |
| [16:28:57] | rogue780: | and I can access all the database stuff |
| [16:29:14] | rogue780: | mythweb is just being butthurt |
| [16:29:33] | rogue780: | and it needs to get fixed or I'll go crazy I tell you, crazy |
| [16:31:09] | jams: | rogue780- most likely you need to update the password mythweb is using |
| [16:31:22] | jams: | it might be in the mythweb .htaccess file |
| [16:31:54] | rogue780: | jams, I've done that in the /etc/mythtv/mythweb-htaccess.conf file...I've even set the user to root to try that, no avail |
| [16:32:15] | rogue780: | maybe the computer just needs a good 'ol fasioned reboot |
| [16:32:50] | jams: | wow no idea why it would be using /etc/mythtv/mythweb-htaccess.conf. but ubunta is special like that |
| [16:35:30] | rogue780: | jams, yup. |
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| [16:39:15] | mkrufky: | here's a good one: Encoder 1 is remote on localhost (currently not connected). |
| [16:39:29] | mkrufky: | (mythbackend IS running as root, ans i did mythtv-setup as root, as well) |
| [16:39:45] | mkrufky: | argh! no, running as mythtv |
| [16:39:49] | mkrufky: | my bad |
| [16:39:57] | ** mkrufky brb ** | |
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| [16:45:16] | juski: | bump! |
| [16:45:38] | ** stuarta observes juski blow in through the window ** | |
| [16:45:46] | rsdvd: | juski : welcome back |
| [16:46:02] | juski: | heh. cheers |
| [16:46:06] | juski: | my house is intact :) |
| [16:46:31] | mkrufky: | hmm, wierd... seems that is doesnt matter whether i am running mythbackend as root or as mythtv... my config seems to be gone, and i see this in mythweb "Encoder 1 is remote on localhost (currently not connected)." what could it be? |
| [16:46:49] | stuarta: | db issues |
| [16:46:50] | mkrufky: | (this is my test box, so no harm done ;-) ) |
| [16:47:04] | mkrufky: | hmm, ok i'll investigate db |
| [16:47:55] | stuarta: | i've seen it if the DB doesn't come up properly cause things were open when you crashed the machine |
| [16:48:12] | stuarta: | (being a dev machine that's quite possible) |
| [16:48:18] | mkrufky: | hmm |
| [16:48:32] | stuarta: | mysqlcheck is your friend |
| [16:48:38] | mkrufky: | ive been hoping for a crash cuz im trying to reproduce EIT scan crashed backend bug |
| [16:48:43] | mkrufky: | but i see no crash in the log |
| [16:48:50] | mkrufky: | and backend is still up & running |
| [16:49:20] | mkrufky: | any specific command that i should give to mysqlcheck? |
| [16:49:49] | stuarta: | usual "mysqlcheck -u root -p mythconverg |
| [16:50:20] | Dibblah: | Personally, I just use optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [16:51:11] | Dibblah: | Of course, it doesn't give you any diagnostics. |
| [16:51:11] | mkrufky: | i did "mysqlcheck -u root -p mythconverg" ... and i got all OK's |
| [16:51:44] | mkrufky: | i guess i could just do mythtv-setup all over again....... but this is so wierd, id like to find the cause |
| [16:51:51] | Dibblah: | Is your main Myth environment a single box back / frontend? |
| [16:52:05] | mkrufky: | for this test scenario, yes it is |
| [16:52:12] | Dibblah: | No, the main env. |
| [16:52:15] | mkrufky: | in fact, there is no instance of mythfrontend installed at all |
| [16:52:24] | juski: | drive home was scary.. I was keeping clear of high-sided lorries. don't wanna be squished :) |
| [16:52:29] | Dibblah: | Not the test one. |
| [16:52:50] | stuarta: | juski: involuntary lane changes? |
| [16:52:53] | Dibblah: | juski: Heh. Always fun. I've been trying to avoid being squashed by a bridgeport or two. |
| [16:52:55] | mkrufky: | my production mythtv is 1 dedicated backend, 1 dedicated frontend ... separate boxes |
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| [16:53:07] | mkrufky: | but this box im talking about is not connected to that network |
| [16:53:23] | Dibblah: | mkrufky: Ah. So it's not just a user error connecting it to the main DB, which would have been easy :( |
| [16:53:33] | mkrufky: | yeah, not that simple |
| [16:54:40] | stuarta: | nasty |
| [16:54:46] | mkrufky: | i can see schedule data via mythweb, and it is not going to do any recordings....... |
| [16:55:12] | mkrufky: | if nobody has any suggestions, i guess i'll just do mythtv-setup again and start my testing all over again from scratch |
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| [16:56:04] | mkrufky: | ... i think the problem is that the backend "asylum" doesnt realize that it is also "localhost" |
| [16:56:22] | Dibblah: | Ah. |
| [16:56:26] | Dibblah: | You used names. |
| [16:56:30] | Dibblah: | Don't do that :) |
| [16:56:43] | mkrufky: | i dont recall using names |
| [16:56:49] | Dibblah: | localhost |
| [16:56:55] | Dibblah: | Not 127.0.0.1? |
| [16:56:57] | stuarta: | must use ip's |
| [16:57:16] | mkrufky: | but mythweb says "Encoder 1 is remote on localhost (currently not connected)." |
| [16:57:31] | mkrufky: | so, i must have forgotten to replace localhost with the ip, somewhere along the way |
| [16:57:55] | mkrufky: | can i fix this with a UPDATE sql command? |
| [16:58:00] | Dibblah: | Capture card table? |
| [16:58:01] | mkrufky: | if so, which table? |
| [16:58:10] | Dibblah: | capturecard, hostname. |
| [16:58:14] | mkrufky: | ok thanks, brb |
| [16:59:17] | Dibblah: | Hmmm. When you created the test env, was your hostname actually defaulted to localhost and you changed it later? |
| [17:00:38] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [17:00:47] | mkrufky: | yes |
| [17:00:54] | mkrufky: | it was localhost as per default gentoo setup |
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| [17:00:57] | mkrufky: | and i changed it to asylum |
| [17:01:01] | Dibblah: | No, it's hostname. |
| [17:01:09] | mkrufky: | oh, duh |
| [17:01:10] | mkrufky: | brb |
| [17:01:32] | Dibblah: | Sorry – I mislead you. The backend configuration (mythtv-setup) has to be IP addresses. |
| [17:01:53] | mkrufky: | ok, now we're in business |
| [17:01:53] | mkrufky: | Encoder 1 is local on asylum and is not recording. |
| [17:01:58] | Dibblah: | But internally, pretty much everything is hostnames (ie the name the frontend / backend picks up) |
| [17:01:59] | mkrufky: | thank you :-) |
| [17:02:20] | _Sam--: | in order to record HDTV from a directv HDTV receiver, i would purchase something like HD-5500 from pchdtv.com and input that card with s-video from the directv receiver? (just pre-planning) |
| [17:02:23] | mkrufky: | yeah... now i should have set this machine up as static ip, instead of dhcp, lol |
| [17:02:46] | Dibblah: | If you've made any settings changes, you'll also need to port those to the new hostname. |
| [17:02:58] | mkrufky: | _Sam--: HD-5500 will pick up HDTV only if you plug the coax directly into the card's tuner |
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| [17:03:06] | Dibblah: | update settings set hostname='new' where hostname='old'; |
| [17:03:12] | mkrufky: | Dibblah: ok, i will take a look |
| [17:03:22] | mkrufky: | ah, even better thank you :-D |
| [17:03:23] | _Sam--: | mkrufky : the card is listed with an s-video input? |
| [17:03:33] | _Sam--: | so why wouldnt it accept the s-video output from my hdtv receiver? |
| [17:03:40] | mkrufky: | _Sam--: yes, but s-video is analog only — ntsc or pal |
| [17:03:52] | _Sam--: | i see — sorry for the newbie questions. |
| [17:04:00] | mkrufky: | _Sam--: you can surely use svideo if you want, but it wont be as pretty as 720p / 1080i |
| [17:04:10] | Dibblah: | Everyone's a newbie at something :) |
| [17:04:15] | _Sam--: | how would i record HDTV from directv? |
| [17:04:27] | Dibblah: | With great difficulty. |
| [17:04:42] | mkrufky: | yeah... look at me... i write linux hdtv drivers, yet i will probably always be a mythtv mewbie in one way or another ;-) |
| [17:04:53] | mkrufky: | Newbie, i mean |
| [17:05:10] | quicksilver: | is a mewbie a newbie that sounds like a sick cat? |
| [17:05:16] | Dibblah: | Nah. It's fairly easy to get into. Well, at least now Daniel's been commenting the code :) |
| [17:05:16] | _Sam--: | why dont any video capture devices for HDTV have a dvi our other input? |
| [17:05:43] | quicksilver: | because they don't want you to steel their filmz! |
| [17:05:45] | tank-man: | drm/dmca |
| [17:05:50] | tank-man: | maffia |
| [17:05:52] | Dibblah: | Many reasons. Primarily because the media companies don't want you doing anything but watching the content. |
| [17:06:14] | Dibblah: | They would, of course, prefer that you do that with your eyes closed so you can't tell how bad it really is. |
| [17:06:15] | _Sam--: | i see..... |
| [17:06:18] | quicksilver: | _Sam--: you may not have realised this, but honest people are actually criminals-in-waiting |
| [17:06:25] | _Sam--: | now i remember why i hacked my tivo |
| [17:06:27] | mkrufky: | Dibblah: ok, i updated my settings table.... i noticed there are name entried where hostname = NULL .... i left those alone, but are they supposed to be there? |
| [17:06:31] | _Sam--: | directv / tivo |
| [17:06:34] | mkrufky: | s/name/many |
| [17:08:03] | _Sam--: | so a company that produced a card with a dvi input for video capture would be in violation of DMCA crap? |
| [17:08:04] | mkrufky: | ....and now i see the eit schedule populating again 9-) |
| [17:08:08] | mkrufky: | 8-) |
| [17:08:36] | rogue780: | can someone help me with mythweb? when I try to access it I get the following: "Please install the MySQL libraries for PHP. The package is usually called something like php-mysql." |
| [17:08:41] | rogue780: | I have php5-mysql installed already |
| [17:08:55] | rogue780: | phpmyadmin works |
| [17:09:18] | Dibblah: | mkrufky: Those are 'defaults'. |
| [17:09:32] | mkrufky: | ah, ok |
| [17:09:47] | Dibblah: | They're not necessarily really default – They're fallbacks for when a host doesn't have a decision for an item. |
| [17:10:27] | Dibblah: | If I understand right, the settings stuff is getting a cleanup soon – Only settings that aren't defaults are getting populated onto each host. |
| [17:10:51] | Dibblah: | Rather than the current behavior of dumping all settings. |
| [17:11:22] | _Sam--: | i still dont understand how building a card with a dvi input violates any laws.....like a bong, in and of itself isnt illegal |
| [17:11:43] | mkrufky: | ah, thats good |
| [17:12:04] | rogue780: | mmmmmmmmmm....bong water... ::drools:: |
| [17:12:24] | mkrufky: | _Sam--: it not that it violates a low.... more like, vendor A is thinking...."why should i let a user do this stuff, when i can make more money otherwise" |
| [17:12:28] | mkrufky: | or something |
| [17:12:47] | mkrufky: | _Sam--: i think they just dont see it as a profitable venture |
| [17:12:49] | _Sam--: | how does vendor a make more money by not offering a product that is in demand in the market? i dont follow the logic |
| [17:13:10] | mkrufky: | it is in demand? i think this is the first time ive ever seen somebody ask for it |
| [17:13:20] | rogue780: | juski, when I try to access mythweb I get the following: "Please install the MySQL libraries for PHP. The package is usually called something like php-mysql." I've already installed php5-mysql, tried a bunch of stuff, updated the /etc/mythtv/mythweb-htaccess.conf file...I'm so confused |
| [17:13:22] | _Sam--: | apparently not, if there is a note in the mythtv wiki |
| [17:14:04] | _Sam--: | how can that be |
| [17:14:20] | mkrufky: | it is a monopoly on the content |
| [17:14:23] | rogue780: | _Sam--, well, I for one don't have an hdtv |
| [17:14:32] | _Sam--: | i dont either – yet |
| [17:14:40] | _Sam--: | but if i get an hdtv receiver, i want to record it |
| [17:15:18] | mkrufky: | did you notice that, for example, if you want to watch a tv show in HD, you have to watch it on TV or record it on an HD DVR ....... you cannot purchase / rent the DVDs, because they are in NTSC / PAL |
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| [17:15:53] | mkrufky: | IMO, this is just how it is nowadays because of marketing and technology |
| [17:15:58] | mkrufky: | things will change |
| [17:16:11] | _Sam--: | fair enough, just curious — i didnt think i was really that ahead of the curve |
| [17:16:28] | kslater: | htguys podcast mentioned a card that can encode a raw hd stream |
| [17:16:45] | kslater: | couple of episodes back, was $300 IIRC. |
| [17:17:06] | mkrufky: | well, if you think about it... unless you are trying to do something shady, there is no content available in HD other than broadcast content |
| [17:17:24] | mkrufky: | so, its not a priority for those companies to make sucha product available as of yet |
| [17:17:43] | _Sam--: | yeah, but if i want to record the discovery channel in HD , without a DVR from directv , i cant. and ther eis nothing shady about that |
| [17:17:46] | mkrufky: | .....but HD camcorders are coming out now |
| [17:18:05] | mkrufky: | _Sam--: there are so many things that can be said about that |
| [17:18:31] | _Sam--: | no point in further debate — you've already answered all the questions |
| [17:18:34] | mkrufky: | the content companies dont want you to record unless you are renting their equipment / paying their monthly fees |
| [17:18:44] | mkrufky: | _Sam--: i agree with you, btw |
| [17:18:49] | mkrufky: | im just playing devil's advocate |
| [17:19:26] | _Sam--: | i dont understand how the content companies have any bearing on the people who would produce the DVI capture hardware |
| [17:19:46] | _Sam--: | like why does pchdtv give 2 rats assess about what directv or discovery channel WANT |
| [17:19:58] | _Sam--: | its about building a product that can capture DVI |
| [17:20:06] | _Sam--: | has nothing to do with content providers, in my opinion |
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| [17:21:13] | _Sam--: | and you've already stated, in your opinion, that the economics of building that card are justified |
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| [17:21:26] | _Sam--: | er are NOT justified – sorry |
| [17:21:44] | mkrufky: | i was afk, lemme read backlog |
| [17:22:08] | SlicerDicer: | what card? |
| [17:22:27] | _Sam--: | any card that could capture DVI input |
| [17:22:31] | mkrufky: | i think that pcHDTV , for example, provides RF analog + digital, and svideo / composite, because it is the most marketable for them |
| [17:22:40] | ** SlicerDicer cant read backlog ** | |
| [17:22:44] | mkrufky: | and to add DVI / HDMI / VGA input would be cost-prohibitive |
| [17:22:46] | GlemSom: | Since I've heard the PVR-350 TV-OUT support might stop in mythtv, I was thinking about getting an extra PVR-150 card – and a AGP graphicscard (passive cooled)... But I see there is cards with s-video output – and cards with composite output... what gives the best quality here? |
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| [17:23:04] | Blaksmith: | Morning.... |
| [17:23:07] | mkrufky: | who sais pvr350 video out might stop ?!? |
| [17:23:16] | SlicerDicer: | glemsom why would it stop? |
| [17:23:17] | Milosch: | i've read that, too |
| [17:23:20] | rogue780: | GlemSom, s-video is better output than composite |
| [17:23:24] | mkrufky: | oof |
| [17:23:38] | quicksilver: | s-video can carry a composite signal |
| [17:23:41] | quicksilver: | or a component one, IIRC |
| [17:23:48] | SlicerDicer: | glem i use component :) |
| [17:23:49] | BULLE: | GlemSom: today you can get hold of very cheap nvidia based cards, that have component output |
| [17:23:50] | mkrufky: | ok, i cant speak on mythtv's behalf... .but i think that whomever said that may be confused about something |
| [17:24:00] | BULLE: | GlemSom: those give even better picture quality then svhs, and you can use hdtv resolutions |
| [17:24:12] | mkrufky: | the video out api of the pvr350 will end up changing in the future... it will not go away |
| [17:24:25] | Blaksmith: | Had a crash last night, and now it seems like my mysql db for mythconverg is fubar in 3 of the tables.... any "easy" way to repair them off hand? |
| [17:24:32] | SlicerDicer: | suck |
| [17:24:42] | BULLE: | Blaksmith: restore from backup ? |
| [17:24:56] | Blaksmith: | if I had a backup.. |
| [17:24:58] | rtsai1111: | Blaksmith: mysqlcheck |
| [17:24:58] | BULLE: | Blaksmith: but yes, mysql is pretty prone to corruption, sadly, its a "feature" of it |
| [17:25:07] | SlicerDicer: | ohh well its useless to me the pvr350 cant do hdtv |
| [17:25:27] | GlemSom: | BULLE, "component output"... whay do you meen by that? That a card have both DVI and s-video output or what? |
| [17:25:49] | BULLE: | GlemSom: no, i mean component output, py pb pr , three connectors |
| [17:26:05] | Milosch: | kinda like RGB, but different |
| [17:26:06] | BULLE: | GlemSom: they normaly have one dvi, one vga, and one svhs/composite/component output |
| [17:26:35] | SlicerDicer: | thats why i switched to a 6600 gt for vid out the option of component and dvi rawk |
| [17:27:12] | mkrufky: | actually, i was able to make the pvr350 decode hdtv in 720p |
| [17:27:21] | mkrufky: | but only for about 3 frames before the machine locked up |
| [17:27:24] | Blaksmith: | ok, ya, it is showing those 3 tables as corrupt... time to fiddle with the mysqlcheck options to repair it hehe :) |
| [17:27:32] | mkrufky: | it isnt meant for hdtv ;-) |
| [17:27:54] | mkrufky: | sorry that was useless info |
| [17:28:31] | Milosch: | hehe |
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| [17:30:09] | Blaksmith: | thanks looks like the db is fixed now |
| [17:31:32] | Blaksmith: | now hopefully mythfilldatabase will "fill" it hehe |
| [17:32:40] | Blaksmith: | it is now... thanks again :) |
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| [17:45:22] | SlicerDicer: | the db repair is awesome |
| [17:47:10] | BULLE: | SlicerDicer: i would prefer if i didnt have to repair it in the first place |
| [17:50:28] | _Sam--: | mkrufky : how much quality is lost if i were to record HDTV from over the s-video input to the HD-5500? |
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| [17:51:05] | mkrufky: | all quality is lost |
| [17:51:28] | mkrufky: | it doesnt matter what card you're using |
| [17:51:49] | mkrufky: | s-video and composite both are analog video inputs, only capable of analog video, such as NTSC or PAL |
| [17:51:57] | _Sam--: | it would be like recording a CD to a cassette tape? |
| [17:52:49] | fryfrog: | more like recording a DVD -> VHS |
| [17:53:07] | fryfrog: | If you are going to record svideo output, don't bother wasting money on an HD card. Get a PVR150 |
| [17:53:16] | _Sam--: | i see...thanks! |
| [17:53:23] | fryfrog: | There is nothing *wrong* with recording HD output over svideo if that is the only way |
| [17:53:34] | fryfrog: | _Sam--: is it from a cable box? |
| [17:53:41] | _Sam--: | directv receiver |
| [17:54:24] | mkrufky: | fryfrog: dvd and vhs are both ntsc / pal ... |
| [17:54:50] | fryfrog: | mkrufky: sure, but quality wise... a dvd is very nice, vhs isn't |
| [17:54:59] | BULLE: | mkrufky: still, svhs connectors cant realy hold all the information you get from a dvd |
| [17:54:59] | fryfrog: | if you copy a dvd -> vhs, it won't look nice |
| [17:55:20] | BULLE: | mkrufky: thats why you dont use svhs connectors from a dvd player, unless you have a simple tv with only that type of input |
| [17:55:32] | mkrufky: | i dont even know what svhs is |
| [17:55:37] | mkrufky: | something we dont use here |
| [17:55:38] | BULLE: | super-vhs |
| [17:55:41] | fryfrog: | _Sam--: unfortunatly, svideo is about the only thing you can do to get video from dtv. It'll look nice though :) |
| [17:55:50] | BULLE: | its just vhs with s-video |
| [17:55:53] | fryfrog: | Are you going to be hooking myth up to an HD tv? |
| [17:55:54] | mkrufky: | oic |
| [17:56:34] | _Sam--: | fryfrog : soon. i already have a mythtv box hooked up to a regular tv. just planning the upgrade for when i get the new panel |
| [17:56:42] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [17:56:59] | fryfrog: | I think if I were building a setup around directv, I would just go with their HD DVR. |
| [17:57:15] | fryfrog: | If I were building a setup around *mythtv* I wouldn't use directv or dish or anything like that. |
| [17:57:30] | fryfrog: | Cable companies at *least* have some firewire STBs that work great with myth |
| [17:57:52] | _Sam--: | thanks for the info. im in a somewhat remote location with crappy cable system. |
| [17:58:02] | _Sam--: | we did just get verizon fios tv as an option though |
| [17:58:14] | _Sam--: | i have the fios for inet, its nice |
| [17:58:19] | fryfrog: | neat, can you get internet access from... |
| [17:58:20] | fryfrog: | omg |
| [17:58:24] | fryfrog: | where do you live? :) |
| [17:58:34] | _Sam--: | east coast – philly suburbs (delaware) |
| [17:58:35] | fryfrog: | I think when I move, I am going to try *hard* to move someplace with fios :) |
| [17:58:58] | _Sam--: | you would recommend fios tv? |
| [17:59:27] | fryfrog: | inet, its what i dream about |
| [17:59:32] | fryfrog: | i don't know anythinga bout fios tv |
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| [17:59:40] | fryfrog: | do their STBs have firewire output? |
| [17:59:48] | _Sam--: | never seen one. |
| [18:01:11] | _Sam--: | so back to your recommendation about using directv HDTV dvr — how do you integrate that in any way shape or form with myth? it just operates on its own, as an island |
| [18:01:13] | _Sam--: | ? |
| [18:01:38] | fryfrog: | you don't :( |
| [18:01:48] | _Sam--: | i can live with that |
| [18:02:10] | fryfrog: | I would pick HD over SD, given the choice of DTV's HD PVR and MythTV in SD :( |
| [18:02:42] | _Sam--: | you answered my next question – thanks. |
| [18:03:05] | tank-man: | i would pick mythtv in sd cause of costs |
| [18:03:15] | tank-man: | sd is good enough for me |
| [18:03:17] | _Sam--: | the hdtv dvr is only 299 |
| [18:03:20] | fryfrog: | Though I of course don't *have* DTV, nor have I ever seen their *new* PVR (or even their old HD tivo PVR) |
| [18:03:36] | fryfrog: | tank-man: but if you have an HD tv, why get stuck with SD content? |
| [18:03:49] | fryfrog: | of course, if your tv is SD then HD anything is a waste :) |
| [18:03:52] | tank-man: | i only have hdtv for games |
| [18:04:30] | fryfrog: | well, then it would work for you :) |
| [18:04:39] | _Sam--: | what do you use for controlling your mythbox from the couch? |
| [18:04:55] | _Sam--: | (im using a wireless keyboard w/ touchpad) |
| [18:04:57] | fryfrog: | I like how the new shows look in HD, Lost, The Unit, Heroes |
| [18:05:19] | fryfrog: | I have a Harmony remote from logitech, it controls all my stuff (which is just tv, xbox and myth) |
| [18:05:30] | Dr_willis: | that one of those $300 remotes? |
| [18:05:36] | _Sam--: | you have a USB IR receiver for your mythbox? |
| [18:05:40] | fryfrog: | fark no |
| [18:05:46] | fryfrog: | $75 remote :) |
| [18:05:53] | fryfrog: | and no, i have a serial remote with lirc on mine |
| [18:06:15] | fryfrog: | My HD tv only cost $800, I'd not spend almost half again as much on a remote :p |
| [18:06:17] | _Sam--: | i see...one of the serial ones that plugs right into the motherboard connector? (OEM style)? |
| [18:06:54] | fryfrog: | _Sam--: no, it plugs into ye olde fashioned serial port on ye olde schoole motherboard :) |
| [18:06:57] | fryfrog: | e |
| [18:07:42] | _Sam--: | does the remote from the capture card you recommend (PRV-150 or maybe others) work with LIRC? |
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| [18:08:28] | tank-man: | yes |
| [18:09:44] | Dr_willis: | i saw some uber-remote the other day like $300 heh – a little over priced. |
| [18:09:55] | Dr_willis: | saw where logitech has some 'finger' mouse comming out also. |
| [18:10:50] | _Sam--: | i dont think i could live with just a media style remote — i like being able to input URLs and other stuff easier, and sometimes exit out of myth to screw around in X |
| [18:11:15] | Dr_willis: | yea – i use my wirelesskeyboard more then the remote |
| [18:12:14] | _Sam--: | is there a default keystroke / keypress to get available options from the screen you are on? |
| [18:12:35] | _Sam--: | like, if in in the audio player, using a keyboard – i dont know how to control all the functions ( i do now) |
| [18:12:41] | _Sam--: | but like pressing "H" for help or something |
| [18:13:08] | _Sam--: | the only way i figured out was pressing every key on the keyboard |
| [18:13:36] | _Sam--: | i guess i could have looked at setup --> keys or something in there |
| [18:13:42] | _Sam--: | but that is a pain to do for everything |
| [18:13:46] | defaultro: | hey folks, why can't the new mysql see the mythconverg db that I have copied over from the old mysql? |
| [18:13:57] | mkrufky: | _Sam--: M for menu ? |
| [18:14:06] | _Sam--: | m doesnt show all the available keystrokes |
| [18:14:11] | mkrufky: | true |
| [18:14:22] | Paladine: | default that doesn't make a lot of sense |
| [18:14:29] | defaultro: | mey mike, nice to see you |
| [18:14:38] | defaultro: | hi Paladine, is that for me? |
| [18:14:39] | mkrufky: | hi Def |
| [18:14:42] | mkrufky: | defaultro: |
| [18:14:42] | Paladine: | yes |
| [18:14:49] | defaultro: | so yeah, it's weird |
| [18:14:57] | Paladine: | if you have dumped the database back into mysql, by definition mysql is "seeing" it |
| [18:15:00] | Paladine: | it can't not see it |
| [18:15:07] | Paladine: | more likely you have grant table issues |
| [18:15:11] | defaultro: | i copied it over, chowned it, restarted mysql, show databases but didn't see mythconverg |
| [18:15:24] | defaultro: | no, i didn't use mysqldmp |
| [18:15:30] | defaultro: | i just move the entire directory |
| [18:15:32] | Paladine: | you have to dump the database into mysql |
| [18:15:43] | Paladine: | you can't just copy the database file over from the previous install |
| [18:15:48] | defaultro: | oh no |
| [18:15:53] | Paladine: | you need to dump the data out of mysql then dump it back in |
| [18:15:58] | _Sam--: | its simple |
| [18:16:00] | defaultro: | but how since it's binary |
| [18:16:04] | kslater: | I've got a firewire port on my EPIA motherboard, but I need a header to firewire connector for it. Anyone know where I might find one? |
| [18:16:07] | Paladine: | mysqldump |
| [18:16:10] | defaultro: | i didn't mysqldump it before |
| [18:16:16] | kslater: | found a couple of UK sources, but I'm in the US |
| [18:16:33] | Paladine: | did you read the wiki re: backing up your database? |
| [18:17:00] | defaultro: | i always use mysqldump but i assumed that it was possible to just move the folder |
| [18:17:26] | Paladine: | well i can't say 100% that it isn;t, but in all the years I have been using mysql I have always dumped |
| [18:17:32] | defaultro: | me too |
| [18:17:35] | defaultro: | but freaking me |
| [18:17:36] | defaultro: | :( |
| [18:17:46] | defaultro: | i was doing the short route |
| [18:17:48] | Paladine: | I wouldn't even conceive the concept of just copying the data folder |
| [18:19:10] | _Sam--: | fryfrog : you've been really helpful — thanks! do you have any recommendations on a 42inch panel? :) |
| [18:19:38] | fryfrog: | _Sam--: consumerreports.org, you'll need to pay for it... but they have very unbiased, great reviews of stuff |
| [18:20:00] | _Sam--: | i was just curious if you had any personal opinions of a more value-oriented 42 |
| [18:20:03] | fryfrog: | _Sam--: I got a 30" Sony Tube HDTV that they suggested, it was clear at the store it was better than a few of the other models, have been very happy |
| [18:20:18] | Paladine: | eeps sony :p |
| [18:20:20] | fryfrog: | _Sam--: unfortunatly, i can't afford to play with that kind of stuff :) |
| [18:20:26] | fryfrog: | Paladine: yeah, that is what I thought :( |
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| [18:20:32] | Paladine: | I bought a mirai 32" LCD HDTV a couple of weeks ago and it rocks |
| [18:20:34] | fryfrog: | I dislike sony, but it got great marks from them |
| [18:20:49] | _Sam--: | most of the panels are all made from the same companies, and just then rebranded? |
| [18:20:56] | fryfrog: | _Sam--: hang on and i'll look up, you said ~40" flats? |
| [18:21:02] | _Sam--: | 40–42 |
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| [18:21:04] | fryfrog: | some i think |
| [18:21:09] | fryfrog: | lcd, plasma? |
| [18:21:33] | Paladine: | _Sam--, yeah there are nowhere near as many panel manufacturers as there are brands |
| [18:21:35] | _Sam--: | id like LCD i think (but i dont know anything) |
| [18:21:40] | Paladine: | the majority of panels are LG made |
| [18:21:49] | Paladine: | sony make some of their own, phillips and samsung too |
| [18:22:00] | Paladine: | but none of them exclusively make all their panels |
| [18:22:15] | Paladine: | outsourcing is common place |
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| [18:22:19] | _Sam--: | buying a no-name brand is a mistake? |
| [18:22:27] | Paladine: | no not at all |
| [18:22:31] | Paladine: | not if you sdo your research |
| [18:22:35] | fryfrog: | http://pastebin.ca/320673 |
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| [18:22:42] | Paladine: | there are some great "no name" panels out there |
| [18:22:54] | Paladine: | avforums is a good place to look for reviews |
| [18:22:58] | _Sam--: | thanks — reading pastebin now |
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| [18:23:42] | fryfrog: | http://pastebin.ca/320674 |
| [18:23:56] | Juski: | blimmin eck |
| [18:24:04] | Juski: | just had a brownout |
| [18:24:15] | _Sam--: | did you wipe? |
| [18:24:20] | Juski: | oi |
| [18:24:33] | Paladine: | juski, yeah I have had 4 power flickers in thelast 20 minutes |
| [18:24:51] | Juski: | my myth backend obviously has more holdup time in the PSU |
| [18:25:05] | defaultro: | Paladine, i found something that I can restore as long as i have the innodb |
| [18:25:13] | defaultro: | i'm looking at my other tar.gz backup |
| [18:25:25] | defaultro: | i also found a mythconverg20070107.sql backup |
| [18:25:34] | defaultro: | :) |
| [18:26:03] | Juski: | wow you know those zombie processes left over by my channel zapper that didn't have exit 0 at the end? since I killed em off the box is much more responsive :) |
| [18:26:09] | _Sam--: | fryfrog : thanks for your pastes. |
| [18:26:41] | Dr_willis: | You are a Zombie Slayer! |
| [18:26:42] | Dr_willis: | :) |
| [18:28:10] | Juski: | uhoh.. just seen a posting from a user that says (about the 'fake' pvr150 box shipments)... Hauppauge tech support reckon the pvr150 is going to be discontinued. I hope this isn't true |
| [18:28:56] | Paladine: | juski, how did you kill the zombies? |
| [18:29:03] | Paladine: | I have yet to figure out how to kill zombies |
| [18:29:09] | Dr_willis: | Fake Box's ? |
| [18:29:12] | _Sam--: | you cant kill a zombie |
| [18:29:22] | Juski: | Paladine: restarted the process that owned them... i.e. mythbackend :) |
| [18:29:24] | fryfrog: | its *ugly* but it gives some of the ratings |
| [18:29:26] | Dr_willis: | _Sam--, i was wondering that also. |
| [18:29:37] | fryfrog: | and when i say its ugly, its really ugly :p |
| [18:29:54] | _Sam--: | what, you didnt hire a web developer to do it? |
| [18:30:07] | Juski: | Dr_willis: yeah apparently some folks have been finding cards that are not pvr150s in pvr150 boxes with a note of apology from Hauppauge |
| [18:30:19] | tank-man: | lol |
| [18:30:20] | Dr_willis: | so – what cards are they finding? |
| [18:30:20] | Juski: | said note is here: http://www.colar.net/pvr150/swap_notice.jpeg |
| [18:30:27] | Dr_willis: | is it like a lottery? |
| [18:30:28] | Dr_willis: | :) |
| [18:30:39] | fryfrog: | no, i copied the html source from consumer reports, so all the "relative" links don't work |
| [18:30:39] | Juski: | a better card, but sadly not one supported by linux at the moment |
| [18:30:46] | _Sam--: | fryfrog : i think you need some new hosting :) |
| [18:31:20] | fryfrog: | ? |
| [18:31:27] | _Sam--: | url wont load |
| [18:31:31] | Paladine: | juski, is the "replacement" card suported under linux? |
| [18:31:37] | tank-man: | does the substitute card have support with linux? |
| [18:31:41] | fryfrog: | worked for me, but a bit slow |
| [18:31:49] | Juski: | Paladine: nope |
| [18:31:57] | _Sam--: | i think you need fios! |
| [18:32:01] | _Sam--: | <still loading> |
| [18:32:03] | _Sam--: | but hasnt loaded |
| [18:32:05] | Juski: | it's based on a conexant cx23418 which has no driver support |
| [18:32:25] | Dr_willis: | i find it hard to belive a company would do that.. |
| [18:32:48] | Juski: | there are mixed reports that the ATSC/DVB tuner is very similar to another already supported so that part of it might work at least |
| [18:32:50] | defaultro: | Paladine, this work |
| [18:32:59] | _Sam--: | surprised you can host a domain on a cable modem |
| [18:33:10] | _Sam--: | dont they mess with your incoming port 80 requests? |
| [18:33:15] | _Sam--: | <fios does — no port 80> |
| [18:33:20] | Juski: | _Sam--: course you can |
| [18:33:32] | defaultro: | Paladine, I created a mythconverg db. Shot mysql down. Copied all files from mythconverg/* to the new mythconverg. Started mysql. Now I see all tables |
| [18:33:34] | _Sam--: | fios blocks you from serving on port 80 |
| [18:33:38] | Juski: | you just have to keep the DNS server up to date or get a static IP address |
| [18:33:39] | _Sam--: | i just use port 800 instead |
| [18:33:41] | defaultro: | I have to fix the permissions though |
| [18:33:43] | fryfrog: | nope, they let me have port 80 |
| [18:33:52] | Paladine: | grats default |
| [18:33:59] | fryfrog: | i use a custom hosting with dyndns.org |
| [18:34:00] | defaultro: | i don't know if it's going to work though |
| [18:34:01] | fryfrog: | for dns |
| [18:34:05] | defaultro: | it could be problematic |
| [18:34:13] | ** Juski uses no-ip.org ** | |
| [18:34:13] | defaultro: | we'll find out later |
| [18:34:17] | _Sam--: | fryfrog : thanks for your help, that page is loading. |
| [18:34:25] | fryfrog: | finally :) |
| [18:34:29] | SlicerDicer: | fryfrog did you pay for static? |
| [18:34:34] | fryfrog: | its probably all the broken links that makes it take so long |
| [18:34:41] | _Sam--: | you had some bad latency at your cable modem – maybe you were downloading too much :) |
| [18:34:44] | Juski: | pity I don't have more upstream – I'd be able to host my own pages then |
| [18:34:51] | fryfrog: | SlicerDicer: nah, i just have a router that updates dyndns |
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| [18:35:03] | Juski: | _Sam--: more likely that everybody lurking hit it at the same time :) |
| [18:35:10] | fryfrog: | _Sam--: I have been seeing a bit of packet loss for the last few days |
| [18:35:11] | mkrufky: | Juski: cx23418 support is coming |
| [18:35:14] | SlicerDicer: | ahh good stuff |
| [18:35:18] | fryfrog: | wait, are more than one of you visitn gthat graph? |
| [18:35:21] | Juski: | mkrufky: hurry, hurry! ;) |
| [18:35:21] | mkrufky: | Juski: but it may take upwards of nine months |
| [18:35:30] | mkrufky: | they wont give us a spec |
| [18:35:37] | Juski: | conexant won't? |
| [18:35:37] | mkrufky: | but they asked for a driver — imagine that! |
| [18:35:41] | Juski: | they're evil |
| [18:35:50] | mkrufky: | its ok --- we have a plan |
| [18:35:54] | _Sam--: | fryfrog : 2.7% packet loss, to be exact, since ive been watching |
| [18:36:04] | fryfrog: | grab their nuts and twist them off? |
| [18:36:06] | mkrufky: | just dont expect it for a long while |
| [18:36:07] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [18:36:08] | SlicerDicer: | juski cx23418? |
| [18:36:13] | Juski: | mkrufky: I might have access to a PCI bus analyser |
| [18:36:22] | mkrufky: | ah, cool |
| [18:36:24] | _Sam--: | still bad latency from your cable modem to the next hop |
| [18:36:28] | mkrufky: | i dont think we're at that point yet though |
| [18:36:32] | _Sam--: | 600ms |
| [18:36:37] | fryfrog: | comcast sucks penis |
| [18:36:38] | mkrufky: | last i heard we're deciding who's gonan work on which part |
| [18:36:45] | Juski: | get me a card & I'll install it in a machine & snoop snoop snoop ;) |
| [18:36:53] | mkrufky: | hehe i dont even have one yet |
| [18:36:57] | mkrufky: | i dont think its even on the market yet |
| [18:36:59] | Juski: | though I think you'd get the same with bushound or similar |
| [18:37:24] | fryfrog: | lemme see if i can use wget to mirror their site :/ |
| [18:37:29] | Juski: | it's not as if they'd obfuscate the bus accesses or anything is it |
| [18:37:30] | fryfrog: | er, thats not very nice though |
| [18:37:32] | SlicerDicer: | juski cant type stupid tast i am on pda thingy ;-p but what is that got a link handy? |
| [18:37:33] | fryfrog: | maybe i won't :) |
| [18:37:46] | Juski: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight= |
| [18:38:20] | fryfrog: | does anyone need anything from newegg that they are planning on buying? |
| [18:38:21] | echosyp: | is there a dual tv tuner for HD and other |
| [18:38:23] | _Sam--: | fryfrog : so if i use a directv DVR for recording that programming, there is no need for the mythbox to do any video capture at all (dont need a card)? |
| [18:38:28] | Juski: | I think I should contact Hauppauge while wearing my forum mod. hat & try to get an 'official line' out of them |
| [18:38:33] | SlicerDicer: | cool thanks |
| [18:38:54] | fryfrog: | _Sam--: no, if i were doing HD with directv, i probably would retire my mythboxes :( |
| [18:39:07] | SlicerDicer: | heh |
| [18:39:08] | _Sam--: | i use them to play a lot of other media files |
| [18:39:10] | Juski: | mkrufky: what does your man on the inside say about it? |
| [18:39:11] | echosyp: | HD with direct tv |
| [18:39:14] | _Sam--: | (the mythbox) |
| [18:39:16] | echosyp: | i thought that wasn't possible |
| [18:39:22] | fryfrog: | _Sam--: ah, well sure then just run myth w/o a tv card :) |
| [18:39:23] | echosyp: | hd on satellite |
| [18:39:30] | fryfrog: | echosyp: ? |
| [18:39:36] | _Sam--: | thanks again dude. |
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| [18:39:43] | fryfrog: | echosyp: DirecTV is set to offer like 400 HD channels or something |
| [18:39:52] | echosyp: | oh, but they don't yet |
| [18:39:55] | Juski: | I love the idea of not getting HD for now |
| [18:39:56] | fryfrog: | uh, yeah |
| [18:39:57] | echosyp: | ok |
| [18:39:59] | SlicerDicer: | at least recording it |
| [18:40:00] | fryfrog: | but not 400 of them |
| [18:40:02] | mkrufky: | Juski: sorry, was afk |
| [18:40:04] | fryfrog: | just like 30 or so |
| [18:40:15] | fryfrog: | yeah, it'd be a tough call |
| [18:40:21] | Aurelius: | haha |
| [18:40:22] | echosyp: | someone told me hd on satellite wasn't the case |
| [18:40:24] | fryfrog: | I think I would try very hard for cable, firewire and myth |
| [18:40:24] | Aurelius: | juski |
| [18:40:25] | echosyp: | at all |
| [18:40:29] | mkrufky: | inside man said: hey, this is coming..... we want it to work in linux.... |
| [18:40:43] | Juski: | mkrufky: ah ok. presume they're just short on resources then |
| [18:40:45] | fryfrog: | echosyp: They may compress it more than normal HD specs or something, but it isn't SD for sure |
| [18:40:51] | SlicerDicer: | with cable i use firewire like xris |
| [18:40:54] | Aurelius: | Juski: remember I was looking fro time overlay? |
| [18:40:57] | mkrufky: | Juski: it will come in due time |
| [18:40:58] | Aurelius: | err, for... |
| [18:41:02] | SlicerDicer: | hd rawks that way |
| [18:41:08] | fryfrog: | SlicerDicer: me too, sd rocks that way too |
| [18:41:14] | fryfrog: | 600mb for 30min instead of like 1.1G |
| [18:41:15] | Juski: | Aurelius: yup. what did you do? just shove a timecode burnin box in the video input? |
| [18:41:52] | Aurelius: | I just noticed in "Watch Recordings", select the program from the list, go to job options, "Begin Time Overlay" |
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| [18:41:58] | Aurelius: | i'm waiting for that job to start to see what it does |
| [18:42:01] | SlicerDicer: | fryfrog i would love dish or whatever but #1 mpg4 #2 no way to cap it |
| [18:42:09] | Juski: | mkrufky: I wouldn't care you know.. I'm pretty sure that conexant supply example linux code in their dev. kit |
| [18:42:28] | fryfrog: | life sucks, then you can't capture HD sat signal from dtv or dish :) |
| [18:42:37] | mkrufky: | Juski: maybe ... i wonder |
| [18:42:46] | echosyp: | anyone use ubuntu? |
| [18:42:47] | Juski: | all hail encripplement of digital TV! yay :-{ |
| [18:42:48] | mkrufky: | Juski: i havent seen any of the details yet |
| [18:42:56] | mkrufky: | all i know is that the vendor plans to help with linux support |
| [18:43:04] | SlicerDicer: | fryfrog you can but its not legal iirc |
| [18:43:09] | Juski: | mkrufky: at least they're on-side |
| [18:43:20] | mkrufky: | yeah, they're good about that stuff ... we like them :-) |
| [18:43:23] | fryfrog: | oh, i didn't even know it was possible *illegally* :/ |
| [18:43:26] | Aurelius: | Juski: time code on the video input would be bad actually, cuz we haev low quality archiving except for the expensive commercial spot hours |
| [18:43:27] | Juski: | maybe they realise it's gonna happen whatever they do |
| [18:43:50] | _Sam--: | Juski: just build a video capture card with a dvi input for us, and we can record directv hd |
| [18:44:00] | fryfrog: | hehe |
| [18:44:13] | Aurelius: | it's being transcoded to mpeg4 at 352x288, 365 bitrate |
| [18:44:14] | SlicerDicer: | fryfrog yeah there is ways but i am not willing to do it |
| [18:44:15] | Juski: | _Sam--: good luck compressing 5Gb/sec on the fly |
| [18:44:37] | Juski: | also good luck getting round HDCP.. and er.. see you in jail when you do |
| [18:45:04] | SlicerDicer: | fryfrog its costly think 800+$ |
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| [18:45:13] | fryfrog: | yuck :/ |
| [18:45:15] | SlicerDicer: | lol juski |
| [18:45:27] | _Sam--: | Juski: what part of a card that captures DVI is illegal? (not trying to be a smart ass, trying to understand) |
| [18:45:42] | SlicerDicer: | thats the fun part |
| [18:45:49] | fryfrog: | HDCP |
| [18:45:52] | fryfrog: | the encryption |
| [18:45:58] | Juski: | _Sam--: pretty soon HDCP is going to prevent 'non-approved' boxes showing digital content |
| [18:46:05] | fryfrog: | assuming it is turned on, which i suspect it isn't on most stuff now? |
| [18:46:18] | Juski: | it's a two-way conversation between the viewing device & the player/receiver |
| [18:46:22] | _Sam--: | but a card taht captures DVI isnt unencrypting anything |
| [18:46:39] | _Sam--: | the signal is unencrypted by my directv HDTV receiver |
| [18:46:41] | fryfrog: | well, dvi can be adapted to hdmi (and back) |
| [18:46:49] | fryfrog: | there ya go :) |
| [18:46:58] | fryfrog: | just need a card for dvi input |
| [18:47:02] | SlicerDicer: | mmmm borg shit coming soon to theater near you... wait the borg will be in livingroom thanks billo |
| [18:47:06] | _Sam--: | thats what im saying — why is that card illegal |
| [18:47:08] | fryfrog: | my cable box *used* to have a dvi output, but now its hdmi :( |
| [18:47:21] | fryfrog: | i guess it isn't, until they turn on encryption |
| [18:47:27] | SlicerDicer: | lol |
| [18:47:35] | Juski: | _Sam--: nothing about the card will be illegal. but if you try to get around HDCP you'll get the feds on your back |
| [18:47:42] | _Sam--: | even if encryption is on, that card isnt doing aything illegal |
| [18:47:46] | _Sam--: | and im not trying to do anything shady! |
| [18:48:03] | defaultro: | need some help folks, how do I disable selinux? |
| [18:48:04] | Juski: | anyway like I said, uncompressed DVI will be like 5Gb/sec |
| [18:48:06] | SlicerDicer: | fryfrog just like firewire will become useless eventually |
| [18:48:15] | Juski: | _Sam--: so good luck compressing that on the fly |
| [18:48:17] | fryfrog: | firewire already has encryption |
| [18:48:18] | fryfrog: | 5C |
| [18:48:25] | fryfrog: | they can turn it on and off, willy nilly |
| [18:49:08] | SlicerDicer: | fryfrog its not on all chans yet though when it is look out |
| [18:49:19] | SlicerDicer: | well except ota |
| [18:49:44] | _Sam--: | Juski: i am no expert on any of this stuff, not claiming to be...im trying to get more understanding. the current crop of DVR records taht record HDTV (like directv's own HDTV dvr)....they record a compressed HDTV steam? |
| [18:49:47] | _Sam--: | stream |
| [18:50:01] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [18:50:02] | fryfrog: | SlicerDicer: thats true |
| [18:50:11] | Juski: | _Sam--: it's all compressed until the box plays it out.. DVI isn't compressed – nor is HDMI |
| [18:50:19] | Aurelius: | Juski: i'll let you know how that overlay goes. i just wish there were a way to automate it |
| [18:50:21] | GreyFoxx: | they record the dvb stream which is already compressed mpeg2(and newer stuff is h264) |
| [18:50:52] | defaultro: | guys i'm getting this, looks like it is related to selinux -> /usr/local/lib/libmythavcodec-0.20.so.0: cannot restore segment prot after reloc: Permission denied |
| [18:51:05] | SlicerDicer: | ewwwwwww |
| [18:51:15] | GreyFoxx: | more and more places are "testing" it |
| [18:51:15] | fryfrog: | SlicerDicer: my DCT6412s don't 5C *anything*, I get all channels I pay for :) |
| [18:51:19] | Aurelius: | Juski: it's interesting that google on "time overlay mythtv" yields nada |
| [18:51:43] | SlicerDicer: | cpu heartattack |
| [18:51:44] | SlicerDicer: | fryfrog i know |
| [18:51:54] | Aurelius: | heh, we're using mpeg 4 over our STL's |
| [18:51:55] | SlicerDicer: | cableone wont give me them fukers |
| [18:52:04] | Aurelius: | but then transcoding to mpeg2 up top of the hill |
| [18:53:07] | Aurelius: | actually, not transcoding, persay |
| [18:53:15] | Aurelius: | but decoding and reencoding |
| [18:53:46] | SlicerDicer: | mmm decode ;-) |
| [18:54:22] | defaultro: | nice topic, some guys are making huge progress though on HDDVD's dec........ |
| [18:54:29] | SlicerDicer: | speaking of decode anybody with xvmc see low like 5% cpu usagw |
| [18:54:30] | echosyp: | i want a tv tuner that can do both SD and HD |
| [18:54:35] | echosyp: | dual tuner |
| [18:54:53] | echosyp: | anyone know of one of those |
| [18:55:02] | echosyp: | USB/network/pcmcia |
| [18:55:03] | SlicerDicer: | echo firewire ;-) |
| [18:55:07] | mkrufky: | echosyp: what tv standard? |
| [18:55:20] | echosyp: | idk |
| [18:55:22] | echosyp: | im new |
| [18:55:27] | mkrufky: | oh wait... SD and HD can both be digital |
| [18:55:33] | mkrufky: | so, any digital tuner card can do that |
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| [18:55:42] | mkrufky: | ...unless u meant digital -and- analog |
| [18:55:48] | Aurelius: | SD and HD ARE both digital |
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| [18:56:16] | echosyp: | yeah, i meant digital and analog |
| [18:56:17] | echosyp: | i guess |
| [18:56:20] | mkrufky: | ^^ thats what i just said |
| [18:56:29] | mkrufky: | echosyp: what country do u live in? |
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| [18:56:37] | echosyp: | USA! |
| [18:56:43] | echosyp: | Texas to be exact |
| [18:57:00] | Aurelius: | TEXASS |
| [18:57:03] | Aurelius: | ;( |
| [18:57:08] | SlicerDicer: | lol |
| [18:57:08] | ** SlicerDicer rus away ** | |
| [18:57:10] | Milosch: | maybe one of those new HR-1600's would work |
| [18:57:18] | fryfrog: | exactp no support :p |
| [18:57:19] | mkrufky: | echosyp: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_cards |
| [18:57:23] | ** Milosch is from Texas too ** | |
| [18:57:30] | Milosch: | fryfrog: oops, i forgot ;) |
| [18:57:30] | SlicerDicer: | besides i am going to disconnect due to lack of cell signal soon /me waves |
| [18:57:41] | fryfrog: | the HD5500 has ntsc and atsc support (hd and sd, analog and digital) |
| [18:58:40] | echosyp: | i don't really know what i need |
| [18:58:49] | echosyp: | i just know what connection i can use |
| [18:58:54] | defaultro: | am I correct folks that qt has to have mysql support? |
| [18:59:02] | mkrufky: | can somebody show me a link to this HVR1600 ? |
| [18:59:09] | echosyp: | since im using a laptop anything but pci will do |
| [18:59:20] | mkrufky: | echosyp: DViCO FusionHDTV5 USB GOLD |
| [18:59:29] | mkrufky: | analog support should be ready in a few onths |
| [18:59:41] | mkrufky: | digital is fully supported |
| [19:01:18] | Juski: | http://www.colar.net/pvr150/card.jpeg |
| [19:01:20] | Juski: | http://www.colar.net/pvr150/card2.jpeg |
| [19:01:22] | echosyp: | im going to get "digital cable" from suddenlink, i don't know what that means really |
| [19:01:42] | echosyp: | but i want to be able to watch the HD channels and the channels that aren't HD |
| [19:01:47] | Milosch: | suddenlink? |
| [19:01:53] | slowone: | it means they will give you an stb box probably ;p |
| [19:01:56] | echosyp: | formerly known as Cox communications |
| [19:02:52] | Milosch: | ah |
| [19:03:03] | echosyp: | i asked if the cable box would have a firewire port on it and they said no |
| [19:03:16] | echosyp: | i don't think any hd channels come with "digital cable" |
| [19:03:48] | Milosch: | in Houston they're all in another teir |
| [19:03:58] | Milosch: | tier? |
| [19:04:15] | jams: | defaultro- yes |
| [19:04:22] | echosyp: | tier |
| [19:04:32] | Milosch: | tear? |
| [19:04:34] | Milosch: | ;) |
| [19:04:40] | defaultro: | yeh, i found it |
| [19:05:33] | echosyp: | can mythtv stream by anychance? |
| [19:05:51] | echosyp: | stream tv |
| [19:06:15] | echosyp: | i found this shit for windows (orb.com) |
| [19:06:33] | echosyp: | is pretty sweet, but its for windows, so that doesn't help me much |
| [19:11:25] | mkrufky: | echosyp: nobody is answering you probably because the entire (main) point of mythtv is to record / stream |
| [19:12:14] | pookey: | does the wiki have hardware recomendations on it ? |
| [19:12:52] | pookey: | yes, good :) |
| [19:15:13] | pookey: | can anyone give a personal recommendation for a dual digital terrestrial tuner card? do they all do digital terresterial these days? |
| [19:15:48] | fryfrog: | like, 2 hdtv cards on *one*? |
| [19:15:58] | SlicerDicer: | heh |
| [19:16:04] | fryfrog: | i don't know of any |
| [19:16:57] | SlicerDicer: | lol i get home and internet is fubar but my phone is working on irc haha |
| [19:17:04] | mkrufky: | there are some available — dont buy them |
| [19:17:14] | mkrufky: | some known bugs with them |
| [19:17:19] | pookey: | fryfrog: no, not HDTV.. digital terresterial |
| [19:17:26] | mkrufky: | FusionHDTV Dual Digital, for example |
| [19:17:27] | pookey: | DVB-T |
| [19:17:37] | mkrufky: | doesnt matter HDTV or SDTV--- its all the same modulation |
| [19:17:38] | fryfrog: | ah, not in the US i guess? |
| [19:17:55] | pookey: | fryfrog: ah yes, sorry, I'm one of those grotty european types ;) |
| [19:17:56] | mkrufky: | they dont make any dual cards like that at all for us |
| [19:19:17] | SlicerDicer-: | fryfrog: yay I am home I can type on a normal keyboard now lol |
| [19:19:26] | mkrufky: | so far, the only "dual tuner" pci cards are actually pci cards with usb controllers and 2 usb devices on the board |
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| [19:20:36] | rsdvd: | pookey : the general opinion seems to be you are better with 2 single DVB cards than 1 dual |
| [19:20:37] | pookey: | ah.. the wiki is pretty well informed |
| [19:20:39] | pookey: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_devices_DVB-T |
| [19:20:52] | echosyp: | so for "digital cable" do i need an HD tuner? |
| [19:20:57] | pookey: | rsdvd: hm, because currently linux support is not so good ? |
| [19:21:23] | rsdvd: | no – cause there are no decent dual cards |
| [19:21:50] | Hoxzer: | is mythtv going to have "Record multiple programs on same multiplex with one tuner" feature like vdr? |
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| [19:22:06] | mkrufky: | echosyp: you need a digital tuner — there is no such thing as an HD tuner |
| [19:22:11] | rsdvd: | pookey : are you in the UK? I have a Nova-T for digital 'freeview' and it works perfectly |
| [19:22:23] | pookey: | rsdvd: I am indeed :) where did you get it from ? |
| [19:22:26] | echosyp: | wintv pvr usb 2? |
| [19:22:45] | mkrufky: | echosyp: that pvrusb2 is an analog mpeg encoder |
| [19:22:53] | rsdvd: | pookey : I got it from ebuyer.com.....although you can get them all over the place – they are farily common |
| [19:22:59] | pookey: | rsdvd: above pasted link sayts 'Since 07/2004 Hauppauge have been shipping a new Nova-T that is not supported yet (see below)' |
| [19:23:35] | rsdvd: | I bought mine last year – and it worked straight away – the drivers are in the standard kernel now |
| [19:23:40] | pookey: | rsdvd: i'm always scared to order from e-buyer ;) |
| [19:24:02] | SlicerDicer--: | hey fryfrog |
| [19:24:02] | pookey: | rsdvd: you went PCI I assume? |
| [19:24:03] | rsdvd: | :-) I have had problems with them – but also had some good bargains |
| [19:24:19] | pookey: | yeah, great prices if you don't mind the complete lack of communication when things go wrong :) |
| [19:24:22] | rsdvd: | pookey : yes – although the USB also gets good reviews |
| [19:24:39] | pookey: | rsdvd: externals boxes by the TV though.. there's already enough junk there :) |
| [19:24:46] | echosyp: | this is complicated if you aren't familiar with it |
| [19:24:51] | echosyp: | i need to read up |
| [19:25:00] | pookey: | rsdvd: where are you out of interest ? |
| [19:25:01] | rsdvd: | pookey : wouldn;t bother me – the backend is in the loft |
| [19:25:07] | rsdvd: | pookey : I am in Nottingham |
| [19:25:12] | pookey: | rsdvd: how do you get it to the TV? |
| [19:25:40] | rsdvd: | pookey : I have an EPIA frontend and a MVP frontend |
| [19:25:56] | rsdvd: | (and I am building a frontend from a S100) |
| [19:29:01] | pookey: | rsdvd: I want something cheap and quiet next to my TV really.. and small... I think perhaps I'm best off just buying a PVR |
| [19:29:32] | rsdvd: | NO NO NO! Heretic! |
| [19:29:36] | pookey: | heh ;) |
| [19:29:46] | rsdvd: | You are on a Myth channel – MythTV rules! |
| [19:29:59] | pookey: | I have an old 2.4 gig p4 sitting here... but it's in a HUGE case.. full tower, bloody noisy |
| [19:30:05] | rsdvd: | Seriously – MythTV has much more than a generic PVR will |
| [19:30:39] | pookey: | but at a cost... hardware is going to cost a few hundred I expect :/ |
| [19:30:42] | rsdvd: | move it to the loft/cupboard/kitchen whatever – and get a Hauppaguge MVP box ! Cheap and silent |
| [19:31:06] | _Sam--: | anyone using torrentocracy? |
| [19:31:13] | rsdvd: | and a decent PVR with dual freeview will cost a lot to |
| [19:31:17] | _Sam--: | just wondering if it is worth even messing with |
| [19:31:20] | pookey: | rsdvd: you run mythTV in the loft/cuboard/cat, and the MVP is just an itnerface to it ? |
| [19:31:37] | hirs: | hi |
| [19:31:44] | rsdvd: | pookey : yes! and then a EPIA frotnend int he bedroom |
| [19:31:53] | pookey: | rsdvd: oh... I actaully own a MVP |
| [19:32:17] | pookey: | I just looked at the photos.. I didn't konw what to do with it so it's in a box somewhere... |
| [19:32:28] | rsdvd: | there is a MVPMC project with is a frotnend to myth |
| [19:32:54] | rsdvd: | well there you are – a silent 'free' frontend – and it works quite well |
| [19:33:01] | pookey: | the MVP seemed really slow though |
| [19:33:18] | hirs: | when I connecto to the backend I get this error: |
| [19:33:23] | pookey: | however... it does sound like a much cheaper option.. considering I already own one. |
| [19:33:30] | echosyp: | let me clarify something here, if i am watch tv without a cable box its NTSC (if im in the US) if i have a cable box its ATSC |
| [19:33:37] | hirs: | DVBRec(1) Error: Failed to open DVB device |
| [19:33:38] | hirs: | eno: Device or Resource Busyo (16) |
| [19:34:02] | GreyFoxx: | echosyp: No |
| [19:34:05] | pookey: | rsdvd: thanks for your advise... I'm going out for a bit, I might pester you later on though ;) |
| [19:34:10] | GreyFoxx: | ATSC is the over the air HDTV |
| [19:34:19] | hirs: | and vdr can just works... is not busy |
| [19:34:21] | rsdvd: | pookey : I doubt it – I am off to the pub :-) |
| [19:34:49] | Milosch: | rsdvd: ah, that sounds nice |
| [19:34:50] | hirs: | can i change the log level to see what's going on? |
| [19:34:52] | GreyFoxx: | echosyp: If you are recording from the cable, or from the output of your cable box (svideo, composite or coax) it's still ntsc |
| [19:35:00] | rsdvd: | pookey : it will be |
| [19:35:26] | echosyp: | so atsc is antenna? |
| [19:35:35] | echosyp: | HD |
| [19:35:43] | pookey: | rsdvd: enjoy :) |
| [19:35:50] | rsdvd: | :-) |
| [19:36:53] | GreyFoxx: | echosyp: Yes |
| [19:37:10] | GreyFoxx: | It's the overthe air HDTV you can get mosty in larger areas |
| [19:38:16] | echosyp: | i guess thats why im not familiar with it, |
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| [19:40:46] | _Sam--: | fryfrog : you still around? |
| [19:40:55] | SlicerDicer--: | hey how do you kill a nick? I need to kill SlicerDicer and SlicerDicer- |
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| [19:43:02] | echosyp: | so what i need to do is call my cable company and ask what kind of modulation they use for Digital Cable |
| [19:43:13] | echosyp: | then buy a supporting tv tuner |
| [19:43:36] | mkrufky: | echosyp: ntsc is analog, atsc is digital |
| [19:43:41] | mkrufky: | both can be with a cable box |
| [19:43:46] | mkrufky: | both can be with an antannae |
| [19:44:02] | _Sam--: | SlicerDicer: /msg nickserv help ghost |
| [19:44:17] | echosyp: | so all i need is a card that supports NTSC and ATSC |
| [19:44:29] | echosyp: | or just ATSC if i have digital cable |
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| [19:45:27] | mkrufky: | echosyp: not so .... in digitial cable, many of the channels you want to watch are encrypted, and these cards do not have any decryption mechanism |
| [19:45:47] | mkrufky: | echosyp: you will still end up using analog mode even if you have digital cable |
| [19:45:58] | SlicerDicer--: | there :) |
| [19:46:05] | mkrufky: | then again, some analog channels are also encrypted |
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| [19:46:56] | echosyp: | i just want to know how to figure out what kind of tv tuner i should buy |
| [19:47:13] | echosyp: | and why |
| [19:47:34] | SlicerDicer-: | echosyp: well you got to first decide what you want to do |
| [19:47:42] | SlicerDicer-: | then how realistic the idea is in terms of cost |
| [19:47:49] | SlicerDicer-: | then how realist the idea is in terms of usage :) |
| [19:47:56] | SlicerDicer-: | then somewhere in there decide what you need hehe |
| [19:48:28] | echosyp: | i just want to be able to watch digital cable from my computer |
| [19:48:46] | _Sam--: | get a slingbox |
| [19:49:02] | echosyp: | i don't know what that is |
| [19:49:40] | ** SlicerDicer- looks at google ** | |
| [19:50:01] | echosyp: | yeah i googled |
| [19:50:04] | _Sam--: | i only suggested that based on you said that you JUST want to WATCH your digital cable |
| [19:50:12] | _Sam--: | its simple and relatively cheap...maybe not what you had in mind. |
| [19:50:16] | _Sam--: | but i think would do what you ask. |
| [19:50:50] | SlicerDicer-: | _Sam--: indeed |
| [19:50:55] | echosyp: | i want ot be able to record it as well |
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| [19:53:04] | echosyp: | ok heres the deal, i have a 2.8Ghz pos laptop thats sole purpose is to be my mythbox, i want to be able to watch recorded tv on another box on my network |
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| [19:54:43] | Juski: | wow. I hope that laptop has a capacious HDD :) |
| [19:54:57] | echosyp: | 40 gigs |
| [19:55:08] | _Sam--: | im new, and i dont use my mythbox for recording, so i dont have a good answer. but in general, you will need capture device to be able to record the programming from the cable. i dont know if they do or dont have cards that tune the digital cable signal |
| [19:55:46] | _Sam--: | but once the recordings are on the mythbox, i dont know what format they are , but you should be able to use samba to share the recording to the other devices |
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| [19:56:10] | echosyp: | yeah, thats what i was going to do |
| [19:56:23] | echosyp: | my desktop has 200Gig HD |
| [19:56:35] | _Sam--: | i was looking at some video capture cards earlier |
| [19:56:45] | _Sam--: | the ones i was looking at would take an s-video input |
| [19:56:50] | echosyp: | i just cant get the analog/digital thing figured out |
| [19:56:54] | _Sam--: | and then they would record the that input |
| [19:57:30] | echosyp: | i understand there is a difference, but i still don't know what it is |
| [19:57:58] | echosyp: | one person says that digital cable isn't really digital |
| [19:58:16] | _Sam--: | what part are you confused about |
| [19:58:30] | kormoc: | echosyp, of course it is, it's just not always better |
| [19:58:45] | _Sam--: | are there tv tuner that accept digital cable as the input? |
| [19:58:46] | echosyp: | if i get "Digital Cable" from my provider, what kind of tv tuner do i need |
| [19:59:06] | GreyFoxx: | echosyp: Are you recording from the svideo/rca output of the cable box ? |
| [19:59:07] | _Sam--: | echosyp: you will probably need to use the non-digital output from the cable set top box |
| [19:59:08] | _Sam--: | to record |
| [19:59:10] | GreyFoxx: | If so, that's analog |
| [19:59:18] | _Sam--: | like s-video |
| [19:59:28] | GreyFoxx: | it's digital from them to the cablebox, analog from the cable box to you/your tv |
| [19:59:49] | echosyp: | GreyFoxx no, i would be recording from the coax on the cable box |
| [19:59:58] | _Sam--: | echosyp: i doubt it |
| [19:59:59] | GreyFoxx: | That's still analog output from the cablebox |
| [20:00:07] | echosyp: | ok |
| [20:00:12] | _Sam--: | oh, from the coax OUT of the cable box |
| [20:00:12] | echosyp: | do i even need a cable box? |
| [20:00:12] | _Sam--: | maybe |
| [20:00:19] | _Sam--: | yes |
| [20:00:29] | echosyp: | k |
| [20:00:36] | GreyFoxx: | Some cable boxes have firewire and you can record the real digital feed from it, but that dependso n your cable box and your provider |
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| [20:00:44] | _Sam--: | (at least in my opinion!) im no expert so dont take my advice as gospel. |
| [20:00:56] | SlicerDicer-: | GreyFoxx: indeed |
| [20:01:02] | echosyp: | i asked they said they don't have firewire |
| [20:01:03] | GreyFoxx: | echosyp: If you want the channels only available to paying digital customers then yes you need the cable box |
| [20:01:06] | SlicerDicer-: | GreyFoxx: some have full 5C crazyness some have none some have some |
| [20:01:21] | SlicerDicer-: | echosyp: telecommunications act of 1996 requires it :) |
| [20:01:23] | _Sam--: | GreyFoxx : is there a list of cable companies and if you can oor cant record their digital output? |
| [20:01:24] | SlicerDicer-: | echosyp: enjoy |
| [20:01:38] | GreyFoxx: | my local provdider apparently has no encryption except on the digital HD channels |
| [20:01:40] | SlicerDicer-: | echosyp: required by the FCC and if they dont give you one they are required to replace the unit and give you one |
| [20:01:47] | GreyFoxx: | so the SDTV digital channels are recordable |
| [20:01:50] | echosyp: | SlicerDicer- i called and asked they aren't HD channels |
| [20:01:57] | GreyFoxx: | I might pick up a QAM capable card for that |
| [20:02:24] | SlicerDicer-: | echosyp: what are you on? I am saying if you ask your cable provider for a box that has ieee1394 or "firewire" they are required to give it you "BY LAW" |
| [20:02:41] | echosyp: | i thought that was only if the channels were broadcast in HD |
| [20:02:47] | GreyFoxx: | I thought so too |
| [20:02:56] | SlicerDicer-: | not the way I read it |
| [20:03:41] | echosyp: | i wonder if the maintenence man would let me bum a cigarette |
| [20:04:02] | SlicerDicer-: | NVM I was being stupid again |
| [20:04:26] | _Sam--: | GreyFoxx : there is no way to know which cable providers offer boxes that can be recorded over firewire? |
| [20:04:54] | SlicerDicer-: | Effective April 1, 2004, upon request of a customer, replace any leased high definition set-top box, which does not include a functional IEEE 1394 interface, with one that includes a functional IEEE 1394 interface or upgrade the customer's set-top box by download or other means to ensure that the IEEE 1394 interface is functional. |
| [20:05:06] | SlicerDicer-: | thats the important part :) |
| [20:05:16] | kormoc: | uhh |
| [20:05:21] | kormoc: | it's only if you have a HD subscription |
| [20:05:29] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: I was being stupid again I said :) |
| [20:05:39] | kormoc: | heh |
| [20:05:40] | SlicerDicer-: | and corrected myself in the usual slicer PEBKAC way :) |
| [20:06:01] | _Sam--: | if you didnt have an hdtv service plan, why would you want to record over firewire anyway |
| [20:06:12] | _Sam--: | would there be any advantage to that recording, over an s-video input |
| [20:06:13] | _Sam--: | ? |
| [20:06:20] | Milosch: | hmm |
| [20:06:21] | kormoc: | _Sam--, digital cable is still mpeg2, so you'd get the mpeg2 stream anyway |
| [20:06:28] | kormoc: | _Sam--, without a tuner card |
| [20:06:33] | kormoc: | so it is nice if you can |
| [20:06:35] | SlicerDicer-: | _Sam--: hell yeah its awesome quality |
| [20:06:45] | SlicerDicer-: | _Sam--: and then you dont need tuners as kormoc said |
| [20:06:49] | GreyFoxx: | _Sam--: There is no way to know. Some turn it on, some don't |
| [20:06:58] | echosyp: | so wait |
| [20:07:07] | SlicerDicer-: | _Sam--: the firewire quality exceeds the pvr350 or whatever in quality of video |
| [20:07:20] | echosyp: | if i get a plan that includes HD channels |
| [20:07:24] | SlicerDicer-: | also not to mention its compressed differently so the videos end up being smaller and better |
| [20:07:28] | _Sam--: | the firewire would actuall be the exact mpeg2 stream the the receiver is seeing...i get it |
| [20:07:30] | echosyp: | they have to give me a cable box with firewire |
| [20:07:36] | GreyFoxx: | echosyp: yes |
| [20:07:44] | kormoc: | echosyp, aye, as long as your cable box is also HD capable |
| [20:07:52] | SlicerDicer-: | echosyp: that does not mean that there is not 5C on every channel but OTA though :) |
| [20:08:10] | kormoc: | some plans here come with HD channels and not a HD box, you need to spend $5 a month to upgrade to a HD box |
| [20:08:14] | SlicerDicer-: | echosyp: you could have 5C on just a select number of channels or on all of them or none its haphazard it seems |
| [20:08:27] | mkrufky: | if you hook the coax from the wall directly into the tuner card, you get HD channels on a digital cable line even if you dont pay for them |
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| [20:08:31] | echosyp: | 5c? |
| [20:08:32] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: yeah well thats not as bad as cableone forcing me to use the DVR boxes and pay more |
| [20:08:37] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: that made me so livid |
| [20:08:45] | SlicerDicer-: | 10$ per friggin box |
| [20:08:48] | SlicerDicer-: | no slack either |
| [20:09:03] | kormoc: | mkrufky, yes, but just the FTA ones I believe |
| [20:09:22] | GreyFoxx: | echosyp: Encryption to prevent you from using the feed |
| [20:09:29] | echosyp: | i see |
| [20:10:09] | _Sam--: | GreyFoxx : what is the purpose (not for mythtv, but for the cable co's) of having output on the firewire port |
| [20:10:16] | echosyp: | and digital cable and HD are both mpeg-2 |
| [20:10:19] | _Sam--: | like why would they even have it active to begin with |
| [20:10:23] | kormoc: | _Sam--, FCC said they have to |
| [20:10:48] | _Sam--: | what is the rationale behind the decision — what is it that it offers for consumers? |
| [20:10:54] | _Sam--: | if its all encrypted and you cant use it |
| [20:10:57] | _Sam--: | whats the point |
| [20:11:17] | kormoc: | _Sam--, not all the channels will be encrypted, the FTA channels MUST be free to view |
| [20:11:18] | echosyp: | if you have the subscription is not encrypted anymore |
| [20:11:30] | echosyp: | FTA? |
| [20:11:34] | GreyFoxx: | echosyp: Actually some still encrypt that |
| [20:11:34] | _Sam--: | free to air |
| [20:11:47] | kormoc: | echosyp, not true, the Non-FTA channels might be encrypted, it's just easier for them not to |
| [20:12:10] | GreyFoxx: | It's 100% pure luck of the draw EVERY DAY. They can turn it on, off, encrypt or not at their whim |
| [20:12:16] | _Sam--: | but what is the PURPOSE of offering the output on the firewire port, aside from being forced to, what does it accomplish or provide for consumers? |
| [20:12:20] | _Sam--: | im just trying to understand |
| [20:12:36] | echosyp: | yeah, i don't really get it either |
| [20:12:39] | GreyFoxx: | _Sam--: fast, clean digital feed to the device on the other end |
| [20:12:49] | Milosch: | less conversion crap in between |
| [20:12:50] | echosyp: | why firewire, not usb2 |
| [20:12:55] | echosyp: | or some other connections |
| [20:12:59] | GreyFoxx: | and some tvs or other devices can decrypt the signal with the right "permissions" |
| [20:13:01] | kormoc: | echosyp, firewire is the industry standard |
| [20:13:09] | _Sam--: | i dont have a problem with the physical connection type |
| [20:13:17] | GreyFoxx: | usb is for pc's, firewire is the av standard |
| [20:13:19] | _Sam--: | just trying to understand its usefulness and applicability to consumers |
| [20:13:27] | echosyp: | oh, i see |
| [20:13:43] | GreyFoxx: | _Sam--: Some TV's and av equipment have Firewire inputs |
| [20:13:49] | kormoc: | _Sam--, so that the consumers can always get the FTA channels in their original form, what's wrong with that reason? |
| [20:13:55] | SlicerDicer-: | echosyp: firewire is superior to usb for video it does consistant streams from what I understand and USB just sucks |
| [20:13:56] | SlicerDicer-: | lol |
| [20:13:59] | GreyFoxx: | some also allow you to with some sort of suibcription module (like cable card) to decrypt the feed |
| [20:14:16] | echosyp: | like satellite |
| [20:14:38] | _Sam--: | kormoc: like someone with a cable tv box, who is paying for cable tv, needs access to the FTA channels over firewire? doesnt make sense to me |
| [20:14:44] | SlicerDicer-: | GreyFoxx: cablecard is worthless :/ |
| [20:14:45] | echosyp: | my friend has this card for satellite, that when it goes bad hes got no channels |
| [20:14:58] | _Sam--: | he probably has no channels a lot :) |
| [20:15:20] | echosyp: | yeah he said hes had to take it to get fixed twice |
| [20:15:31] | _Sam--: | in the old days hacking satellite was reliable |
| [20:15:39] | _Sam--: | the middle 90s...forget about it |
| [20:15:40] | kormoc: | _Sam--, FTA channels are allowed to be used for anything, record on dvd's (some dvd burners have firewire input), stuff like that |
| [20:15:45] | _Sam--: | free directv for everyone |
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| [20:18:50] | _Sam--: | kormoc: i see. it took nearly that entire time for your statement to sink in. |
| [20:19:06] | _Sam--: | anyone should be able to freely record fta programming |
| [20:19:17] | _Sam--: | and without that port, that option is gone. |
| [20:19:30] | kormoc: | that's the idea, aye |
| [20:19:45] | echosyp: | fucking lame |
| [20:19:47] | echosyp: | i got gayed |
| [20:20:04] | GreyFoxx: | ummmm huh ? |
| [20:20:07] | Milosch: | language! |
| [20:20:13] | _Sam--: | "got gay?" |
| [20:20:24] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:20:26] | GreyFoxx: | This is a grown up place please, no "Oh that's gay" type comments :) |
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| [20:20:36] | Milosch: | besides, it's 'ghey' ;) |
| [20:20:38] | echosyp: | computer spazzed out |
| [20:20:44] | echosyp: | uh |
| [20:20:48] | kormoc: | _Sam--, maybe he just discovered something about himself. |
| [20:20:55] | _Sam--: | lol |
| [20:21:22] | _Sam--: | echosyp : i dont know from experience (im married with kids)...but i think you could offend some types here :) |
| [20:21:43] | echosyp: | my bad, i wouldn't want that |
| [20:21:53] | echosyp: | wait |
| [20:21:55] | echosyp: | i might |
| [20:22:04] | echosyp: | :P |
| [20:22:55] | echosyp: | so, if i get digital cable and use the WinTV PVR USB2 via coax, everything will be ok |
| [20:23:06] | _Sam--: | i find geeky linux users who get into specialized projects (mythtv, asterisk in specific)....tend to have a higher percentage of homosexuals than the general population (dont know whY) |
| [20:23:09] | kormoc: | in theory, aye |
| [20:23:22] | Juski: | _Sam--: watch yourself |
| [20:23:36] | _Sam--: | im a geeky linux user, and fall within that categorization |
| [20:23:42] | _Sam--: | but am not gay, and am not trying to cause trouble. |
| [20:23:53] | _Sam--: | just pointing it, it does seem to be something there. |
| [20:23:57] | kormoc: | _Sam--, it's inversely correlated to the number of showers taken on average by the group |
| [20:23:57] | SlicerDicer-: | 8 |
| [20:24:05] | Juski: | stay away from making generalisations if you don't want to cause trouble |
| [20:24:07] | echosyp: | heh |
| [20:24:14] | SlicerDicer-: | oops |
| [20:24:21] | SlicerDicer-: | damn cleaning of media pad |
| [20:24:25] | _Sam--: | anywho.. |
| [20:24:38] | RacerX2oo3: | Hmmm I was going to add something about MAC users but I guess I'll bite my toungue |
| [20:24:44] | echosyp: | or stay away from people narrow minded enough to not realize that everyone makes generalizations and nobody should be offended by it |
| [20:25:00] | Juski: | it'd be like someone coming out & saying folks who swear by MCE are linux-hating idiots |
| [20:25:02] | SlicerDicer-: | Juski: I generalize alot! like TV is for losers ;-) |
| [20:25:28] | Aurelius: | it seems like when i apply filters for transcoding, it doesn't actually use the filters... am i i missing something? |
| [20:25:34] | quicksilver: | I don't think it's a generalization, particularly, to observe a correlation |
| [20:25:40] | quicksilver: | it is off-topic though :) |
| [20:25:43] | mkrufky: | _Sam--: thats very interesting.... where does one come across such statistics? |
| [20:25:47] | Juski: | next thing you know someone will say that women on IRC are all lesbians because they never respond to geeks hitting on them |
| [20:25:49] | mkrufky: | (gay devs) |
| [20:25:56] | _Sam--: | many, many, years of IRC, and linux tinkering. |
| [20:25:56] | SlicerDicer-: | Juski: btw I wonder how easy it would be to make it so mythtv interfaces with MCE |
| [20:26:06] | Juski: | SlicerDicer-: probably quite easy actually |
| [20:26:08] | Aurelius: | zomg, you all == ghey! |
| [20:26:08] | mkrufky: | hehe ok |
| [20:26:23] | SlicerDicer-: | Juski: I been thinking of messing with it I just dont have MCE |
| [20:26:24] | _Sam--: | and have been involved in a lot of specialized projects |
| [20:26:32] | echosyp: | iv been on irc using linux for 1 year |
| [20:26:34] | SlicerDicer-: | I think it would be quite interesting for some winders folk |
| [20:26:48] | SlicerDicer-: | Juski: I think it might be more useful than tapeworm LOL |
| [20:26:51] | kormoc: | _Sam--, well, it could just be normal %, but you just don't deal with the same size group outside of OSS/FSS projects |
| [20:26:52] | Juski: | SlicerDicer-: yeah get an unrestrictive backend on them :) |
| [20:26:54] | SlicerDicer-: | that name is insane |
| [20:27:02] | SlicerDicer-: | tapeworm ROFL |
| [20:27:12] | _Sam--: | anyway, there is nothing positive that can come out of further talking about 'it'...so anywho... |
| [20:27:19] | Juski: | SlicerDicer-: it's so-called because its author says it's parasitic ;) |
| [20:27:23] | SlicerDicer-: | yeah |
| [20:27:28] | Aurelius: | so what am i missing on using filters for transcoding? |
| [20:27:41] | mkrufky: | _Sam--: yeah i was just curious... i do live in brooklyn, after all |
| [20:27:49] | SlicerDicer-: | Juski: thats enough to scare me from not using it |
| [20:27:55] | SlicerDicer-: | I dont want a parasite on my mythtv setup |
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| [20:28:31] | SlicerDicer-: | Juski: can you get MCE if you dont have MCE version of winders? like if you have XP Pro? |
| [20:28:32] | Juski: | SlicerDicer-: well, at least it didn't crash my backend when I tried it.. unlike winmyth |
| [20:28:40] | _Sam--: | kormoc : i deal with motorcycles in my daily life, and maybe because of that, i see a lower percentage of homosexuals than the general population....so maybe being put in a pool with the general population is all that is occurring...dunno...i want to let it go...so i will now :) |
| [20:28:40] | Juski: | SlicerDicer-: AFAIK, nope |
| [20:28:43] | SlicerDicer-: | Juski: lame |
| [20:28:48] | echosyp: | no you cant |
| [20:28:50] | echosyp: | i tried |
| [20:28:51] | Juski: | SlicerDicer-: BUT... mediaportal :) |
| [20:28:52] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer-, MCE *is* windows |
| [20:29:00] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: I dont know these things |
| [20:29:03] | SlicerDicer-: | I dont use windows! |
| [20:29:08] | mkrufky: | _Sam--: ten pecent is the magic number (usually) ... but ok we can let it go now |
| [20:29:11] | kormoc: | heh |
| [20:29:12] | echosyp: | the only difference is the program |
| [20:29:15] | echosyp: | Media Center |
| [20:29:29] | Juski: | mediaportal has python-based plugins already, and xbmc is already out there, in python so... |
| [20:29:38] | echosyp: | media portal? |
| [20:29:40] | ** echosyp googles ** | |
| [20:29:45] | SlicerDicer-: | Juski: one of the reasons I was asking is I am going to be setting up a myth setup for my dad and I wanted a easy way for him to use it in windows |
| [20:29:51] | kormoc: | mkrufky, it's more then that, see http://www.avert.org/hsexu1.htm |
| [20:29:54] | Juski: | SlicerDicer-: fair 'nuff |
| [20:30:28] | Juski: | the problem with 'surveys' is that they always rely on people giving honest answers ;) |
| [20:30:52] | Juski: | they don't ever take denial into account |
| [20:31:07] | Z_God: | I've got a memory problem with mythtv, when I run mythtv-setup, it starts eating memory till it gets killed, any idea how that can happen? |
| [20:31:21] | Z_God: | I'm using Debian Sarge |
| [20:31:26] | Z_God: | with kernel 2.4.27 |
| [20:31:44] | Juski: | woo that's an olde worlde kernel |
| [20:31:44] | SlicerDicer-: | Juski: denial is a river in egypt |
| [20:31:51] | SlicerDicer-: | Juski: dont you know that by now sheesh |
| [20:31:55] | Z_God: | build packages based on the ubuntu ones |
| [20:32:08] | kormoc: | Z_God, just raise up your staff to the heavens and declare, 'THOU SHALT NOT EAT MEMORY'. see if that works |
| [20:32:10] | mkrufky: | lol, kormoc very interesting ..... |
| [20:32:39] | Juski: | Z_God: maybe try mythtv-setup --help & see if it has any verbose output options. I can't remember if it does or not |
| [20:32:43] | ** Aurelius still runs his 1.3.20 kernel ** | |
| [20:33:01] | RacerX2oo3: | This may be better suited for #mythtv, but what features do you guys think are most lacking from the current graphic cards/drivers for mythtv/video in general, if anything |
| [20:33:10] | Z_God: | I'll try that, thanks |
| [20:33:28] | Juski: | RacerX2oo3: full motion video compensation for one thing |
| [20:33:34] | kormoc: | RacerX2oo3, full mpeg2/4 decoding |
| [20:33:41] | Juski: | nvidia purevideo :) |
| [20:33:45] | SlicerDicer-: | ROFL kormoc |
| [20:33:47] | Aurelius: | full coffee production |
| [20:33:48] | kormoc: | XvMC 2.0! |
| [20:33:56] | kormoc: | Aurelius, ooh! and fresh donuts! |
| [20:34:03] | RacerX2oo3: | haha |
| [20:34:03] | Juski: | or in the case of ATI.. worky drivers |
| [20:34:05] | Aurelius: | my graphics card does not make adequate amounts of coffee |
| [20:34:09] | mkrufky: | full ts capture |
| [20:34:14] | echosyp: | it doesn't interface with my toaster |
| [20:34:24] | _Sam--: | my mythbox has a built in coffecup holder |
| [20:34:27] | SlicerDicer-: | whats missing? umm that pixie dust that IBM usto talk about |
| [20:34:30] | SlicerDicer-: | mythtv needs some of that |
| [20:34:30] | kormoc: | it should order pizza for me |
| [20:34:34] | Juski: | and RacerX2oo3 it's better suited for here. the other channel is for dev chatter only |
| [20:34:50] | ** Aurelius kicks myth ** | |
| [20:34:57] | Z_God: | my res is 1792x1344 btw, not sure if that's really large these days |
| [20:34:58] | Aurelius: | USE THE FILTERS, DAMIT :P |
| [20:35:05] | SlicerDicer-: | Juski: media portal looks interesting |
| [20:35:06] | RacerX2oo3: | IBM sold the pixiw dust to Hitachi I think :) |
| [20:35:14] | Juski: | pixie dust is supposed to be used by the computer? damn, I've been putting it up my nose all this time |
| [20:35:33] | _Sam--: | not to start a war, i honestly dont know the differences...but freevo is the same/similar to mythtv? |
| [20:35:41] | kormoc: | Juski, tis okay, just give tinkerbell another squeeze |
| [20:35:43] | Aurelius: | why would filters not be used when specified in transcoding? |
| [20:35:50] | Juski: | freevo is more an all-in-one box solution |
| [20:36:28] | _Sam--: | in what way — maybe just cause i used knoppmyth i have all the same things as freevo in my myth? |
| [20:36:40] | _Sam--: | the options for playing media – photos, audio, videos (avi, etc)...seem similar |
| [20:36:48] | Juski: | freevo doesn't do client/server, so you can have one backend, one frontend, both in the same box |
| [20:36:57] | _Sam--: | i see |
| [20:37:04] | Juski: | also doesn't do fancy scheduling |
| [20:37:09] | echosyp: | well ubuntu is installed |
| [20:37:12] | _Sam--: | how do you use mythtv in a client / server type environment? |
| [20:37:12] | Juski: | nor does it do commflagging |
| [20:37:14] | echosyp: | sweet |
| [20:37:21] | _Sam--: | like what do you do with 2 mythboxes, one front, one back? |
| [20:37:29] | SlicerDicer-: | lol Juski thats angel dust you dweeb ;-) |
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| [20:37:31] | _Sam--: | (i only use 1 box) |
| [20:37:32] | Juski: | _Sam--: it's covered in the docs. just read em |
| [20:37:32] | kormoc: | _Sam--, or two back one front or 22 back 88 front... |
| [20:37:33] | SlicerDicer-: | there is a difference |
| [20:37:37] | GreyFoxx: | _Sam--: For instances I have a backend machine feeding 5 frontends around my house |
| [20:37:53] | SlicerDicer-: | pixie dust "magicial healing of servers" angel dust "blow" |
| [20:37:56] | _Sam--: | what is so special about the backend...couldnt you just share the same stuff over samba? |
| [20:38:00] | SlicerDicer-: | big difference :) |
| [20:38:04] | _Sam--: | to the other 5 fronts |
| [20:38:07] | Juski: | _Sam--: yeah you could, but samba is lame |
| [20:38:09] | jams: | GreyFoxx- ever find that ide cable? |
| [20:38:12] | kormoc: | _Sam--, with the interface? |
| [20:38:19] | SlicerDicer-: | Juski: seriously though that looks really neat with media portal wonder if I could use that to interface with myth? |
| [20:38:24] | kormoc: | _Sam--, also can stream live tv to the frontends |
| [20:38:24] | GreyFoxx: | jams: Yeah, just haven't been back to my computer room heh |
| [20:38:36] | jams: | ok |
| [20:38:37] | Juski: | SlicerDicer-: it'd prolly take some nifty plugin-fu |
| [20:39:05] | Juski: | SlicerDicer-: borrow code from xbmcmythtv.. interface with the mediaportal API (godknows wth that is)... |
| [20:39:23] | Z_God: | seems it just doing a lot with mysql |
| [20:39:24] | jams: | there is an updated iso out there that has some minor fixes,enchancements plus the xorg intel drivers |
| [20:39:44] | Z_God: | don't output anything other than that when it's eating mem |
| [20:39:48] | Z_God: | doesn't* |
| [20:39:52] | Juski: | jams: where? |
| [20:39:58] | GreyFoxx: | jams: Cool. I'll grab that |
| [20:39:59] | Juski: | Z_God: how much RAM have you got? |
| [20:40:06] | Z_God: | 256MB |
| [20:40:16] | jams: | Juski and GreyFoxx same place |
| [20:40:29] | Juski: | Z_God: 256MB maybe a bit on the low side but you _should_ be ok |
| [20:40:35] | jams: | it doesn't autodetect intel yet, but at least the drivers are installed. |
| [20:40:38] | GreyFoxx: | k |
| [20:40:50] | Z_God: | yep, that's what I thought |
| [20:40:56] | Juski: | jams: can I have the location again please? didn't make a note of it |
| [20:41:03] | jams: | sure |
| [20:41:13] | Aurelius: | does myth not use filters when the source file is mpeg2? |
| [20:41:15] | Z_God: | my x11 server + mythtv quickly eat up more than that together though |
| [20:41:28] | Z_God: | and than when swap's also full things crash |
| [20:41:37] | Z_God: | then* |
| [20:42:26] | GreyFoxx: | Aurelius: playback filters should work for any playback, regardless of the source codec |
| [20:42:34] | GreyFoxx: | unless you are using the mpeg decoder on a 350 |
| [20:42:45] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, he's asking about transcoding and filters |
| [20:43:06] | echosyp: | wtf |
| [20:43:14] | echosyp: | an hd cable box is $10 |
| [20:43:18] | echosyp: | a month |
| [20:43:54] | echosyp: | but then it will have firewire and i won't have to buy a tv tuner |
| [20:43:56] | Aurelius: | GreyFoxx: i'm trying to transcode, and haev chosen "invert" for this transcoding setting |
| [20:43:57] | GreyFoxx: | Ahh, no clue about that then. Most transcoding I do in myth is a rare mpeg to mpeg lossless cut to remove commerciials |
| [20:43:59] | Aurelius: | just to test it |
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| [20:44:38] | echosyp: | this laptop doesn't have firewire |
| [20:44:46] | echosyp: | :( |
| [20:45:47] | Milosch: | get an adapter? |
| [20:46:12] | _Sam--: | or just record the s-video / other analog output :) |
| [20:46:50] | Aurelius: | hm, so using invert on playback filter works fine |
| [20:50:23] | Z_God: | seems setting the res to 320x240 helps :) |
| [20:51:15] | Aurelius: | Z_God: :) |
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| [20:54:20] | abarbaccia: | hey all – i have a firewire cable to my sa3250hd box, and ubuntu recognises it at node 0 but I can't change channels on it with the script to do so... any ideas why not? |
| [20:55:33] | _Sam--: | mkrufky : you around? |
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| [20:59:46] | Z_God: | ok, I see |
| [20:59:57] | Z_God: | I indeed read something like that, which I why I read |
| [21:00:05] | Milosch: | Z_God: I'm running with 384M on one machine and it's fine. Only one capture card though |
| [21:00:17] | Z_God: | still having some problems, but it's going a lot better now |
| [21:00:20] | Z_God: | ok |
| [21:00:27] | _Sam--: | Juski: you seem really smart...im looking at an HDTV LCD panel — and the tv has a built in HDTV dvr. |
| [21:00:30] | Z_God: | I'm hoping to use it with IP-TV |
| [21:00:31] | _Sam--: | have you ever heard of such a thing? |
| [21:00:49] | _Sam--: | LG model Model: 42LB1DR |
| [21:00:52] | Juski: | _Sam--: yeah but never seen one 'in person' |
| [21:01:13] | _Sam--: | would it record HDTV that came out of a directv receiver? |
| [21:01:32] | Juski: | _Sam--: maybe. check the specs |
| [21:01:43] | _Sam--: | "Built-in HDTV digital video recorder (DVR) requires no subscription or phone line connection; record from cable or antenna to integrated 160GB hard disk drive" |
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| [21:01:46] | mkrufky: | _Sam--: pong |
| [21:02:05] | Juski: | _Sam--: maybe not then |
| [21:02:14] | MoRpHeUz: | hi ! anybody here owns a n770 or n800 ? |
| [21:03:01] | Juski: | I think recording cable HDTV limits you to using the cable co's own DVR if you're after recording 'premium' content. that way they can be certain everything is nice & tightly locked in |
| [21:03:29] | _Sam--: | i think you're probably right, thanks. |
| [21:03:52] | mkrufky: | _Sam--: sorry, was afk... did you have a question for me? |
| [21:04:44] | MoRpHeUz: | what do you guys think that would be nice to have on a mobile device to use with mythtv ? |
| [21:05:39] | ** kormoc drools ** | |
| [21:05:56] | MoRpHeUz: | =P |
| [21:06:01] | Juski: | MoRpHeUz: nothing. mobile devices have yet to offer the kind of stuff I'd feel is worth paying for |
| [21:06:03] | _Sam--: | mkrufky : i was curious about an LCD panel with a built in HDTV dvr |
| [21:06:10] | _Sam--: | and juski kind of gave me the answers |
| [21:06:41] | MoRpHeUz: | Juski, kormoc: but wouldnt be nice to have such things like live tv ? |
| [21:06:48] | mkrufky: | ah, ok |
| [21:06:58] | kormoc: | MoRpHeUz, meh, I never watch live tv |
| [21:07:12] | MoRpHeUz: | hhmm |
| [21:07:48] | Juski: | MoRpHeUz: nope. livetv is SO last century |
| [21:07:49] | MoRpHeUz: | My idea was not to change the PC for a mobile device but to use the mobile device WITH the PC running mythtv, maybe to control it, or schedule some recording... |
| [21:08:05] | Juski: | MoRpHeUz: it can already do those things |
| [21:08:19] | Juski: | mythweb has a WAP theme, for one |
| [21:08:36] | Juski: | and someone has written a remote control app. for mobile devices to control a frontend |
| [21:08:42] | kormoc: | in java, aye |
| [21:09:13] | MoRpHeUz: | hhmm |
| [21:09:52] | MoRpHeUz: | but It would be more usefull to use the mobile device to control a frontend or to be a frontend ? |
| [21:10:13] | kormoc: | MoRpHeUz, the java app can control a frontend |
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| [21:10:30] | kormoc: | MoRpHeUz, and to be a frontend? meh, it's very limited usefulness |
| [21:10:38] | MoRpHeUz: | hhmm |
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| [21:11:31] | kormoc: | MoRpHeUz, the only time I would want a mobile device to be a frontend would be on a airplane, or a bus, or similar, where I don't have access to my mythbox, and then it's limited by what bandwidth I have (if any) |
| [21:12:36] | BULLE: | kormoc: n800 ? |
| [21:12:47] | BULLE: | kormoc: and i would think that you would mainly watch preloaded media, right ? |
| [21:13:15] | MoRpHeUz: | BULLE: you can watch streamming also... |
| [21:13:17] | Juski: | who wants to watch tv on a piddly little 2" screen anyway? |
| [21:13:25] | BULLE: | MoRpHeUz: oh yes, if enough bandwith |
| [21:13:31] | BULLE: | MoRpHeUz: and the right media format |
| [21:13:38] | MoRpHeUz: | that's right |
| [21:13:38] | kormoc: | BULLE, n800? |
| [21:13:46] | BULLE: | Juski: if you are on the train, or the airplane, etc its pretty nice |
| [21:13:50] | MoRpHeUz: | kormoc: www.nokia.com/n800 |
| [21:13:50] | BULLE: | Juski: its not as bad as you first think |
| [21:13:53] | kormoc: | but largely where I would want to use it, there isn't any bandwidth |
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| [21:14:06] | BULLE: | kormoc: so you would have to transcode and put it on a sd card |
| [21:14:22] | kormoc: | aye, at which point what's the point of having it be a 'frontend'? |
| [21:14:34] | kormoc: | it might as well just be a generic media player, which I already have |
| [21:14:43] | MoRpHeUz: | kormoc: maybe you have the backend at your house |
| [21:14:53] | MoRpHeUz: | and a frontend plugged at your tv |
| [21:14:56] | BULLE: | kormoc: around here you mostly have connectivity |
| [21:14:58] | Juski: | BULLE: I drive just about everywhere :) |
| [21:15:18] | MoRpHeUz: | and you want to stay at the front of your house to watch some tv (at the garden) |
| [21:15:19] | MoRpHeUz: | hehe |
| [21:15:22] | kormoc: | BULLE, but how fast? my mobile phone gets something like 128kbit/sec, not really that much |
| [21:15:35] | Juski: | and if I wanted mobile video I'd just get a decent mobile player & dump a bunch of recordings off onto it |
| [21:15:41] | BULLE: | kormoc: hsdpa and wlan |
| [21:15:43] | kormoc: | MoRpHeUz, well, if I'm outside, I'm not watching tv, and I can see it everywhere inside, so no issues there :P |
| [21:16:00] | Juski: | don't be a sucker & fall for the phone companies' scams ;) |
| [21:16:01] | BULLE: | kormoc: the max hsdpa speed they support currently is 3.6mbit downstream and 768kbit uppstream |
| [21:16:04] | kormoc: | BULLE, true, but doesn't help up in the air |
| [21:16:11] | _Sam--: | Juski : sling player for pocket PC works really well...but there is some module for myth to PDA |
| [21:16:16] | MoRpHeUz: | n800 have wifi |
| [21:16:20] | MoRpHeUz: | that's the point |
| [21:16:21] | BULLE: | kormoc: on airplane, then yes |
| [21:16:30] | Juski: | _Sam--: so er.. write one |
| [21:16:30] | kormoc: | MoRpHeUz, till you get away from an access point :P |
| [21:16:33] | _Sam--: | i have a sprint pocket PC on EVDO — its fast enough to watch all my stuff on using sling |
| [21:16:33] | MoRpHeUz: | you dont need to have "THAT" bandwith |
| [21:16:37] | MoRpHeUz: | yeah |
| [21:16:38] | BULLE: | MoRpHeUz: and can use the mobile phones hsdpa connection |
| [21:16:42] | kormoc: | BULLE, which is actually what I do most of my traveling in |
| [21:16:52] | _Sam--: | Juski: one exists |
| [21:16:59] | BULLE: | _Sam--: what speed do you get with that service ? |
| [21:17:08] | _Sam--: | sprint EVDO? |
| [21:17:15] | BULLE: | kormoc: you will have to download and save all stuff at the airport then =) |
| [21:17:15] | _Sam--: | average about 768kbps with my device |
| [21:17:22] | _Sam--: | the newer ones are closer to 2–3mbps |
| [21:17:29] | _Sam--: | they have a new radio that mine doesnt have |
| [21:17:39] | BULLE: | okies, so then our hsdpa thingies should be more then capable |
| [21:17:49] | MoRpHeUz: | maybe play the games on mythtv on these devices ? |
| [21:17:50] | Juski: | besides I don't see mobile devices as anything but young people's *toys* |
| [21:18:07] | _Sam--: | Juski: then you've never had to fix something server related from wherever you are |
| [21:18:09] | MoRpHeUz: | see that I'm not mentioning just cell phones |
| [21:18:11] | kormoc: | BULLE, most airports don't have free wifi :P |
| [21:18:15] | MoRpHeUz: | but also pocket pcs, etc... |
| [21:18:18] | BULLE: | Juski: i just use my mobile phone, for video watching, mp3 listening, calendar stuff |
| [21:18:19] | _Sam--: | if one of my production servers goes down, and im anyway, with a pocket pc, i can fix it |
| [21:18:24] | _Sam--: | maybe not elegantly, but doable. |
| [21:18:29] | BULLE: | kormoc: uh, yes, atleast here |
| [21:18:45] | Juski: | BULLE: maybe I'm lucky enough not to need an umbilical cord to my workplace then ;) |
| [21:18:47] | BULLE: | kormoc: all big phone operators have wifi hotspots that you gain access to aswell |
| [21:18:55] | _Sam--: | there is some usefulness, i feel, to pocket pc |
| [21:19:01] | _Sam--: | at least for me. |
| [21:19:01] | kormoc: | BULLE, hrm, I know that my main two does not, (SEATAC, and PHL) |
| [21:19:09] | BULLE: | kormoc: okies |
| [21:19:21] | BULLE: | kormoc: i guess we are a bit more in the frontline here |
| [21:19:32] | MoRpHeUz: | _Sam--: yes..that's why I'm trying to discover what is usefull to have on these devices to work with mythtv.. |
| [21:19:35] | _Sam--: | Juski: there exists a module alrady for myth to stream to pocketpc |
| [21:19:41] | kormoc: | BULLE, last I checked, Seatac was charging around $20 hookup fee for the day, and $2.50 per meg |
| [21:19:46] | MoRpHeUz: | maybe a feature that is not implemented yet but would be great to have ? |
| [21:19:51] | MoRpHeUz: | do you have any ideas ? |
| [21:19:57] | _Sam--: | Juski: http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_stream.php |
| [21:20:43] | Juski: | _Sam--: I've already ran that & tried it out. would cost way too much over a mobile data service in the UK |
| [21:20:49] | BULLE: | kormoc: jikes |
| [21:21:04] | _Sam--: | here its unlimited mobile data |
| [21:21:08] | _Sam--: | at least, mine is, with sprint |
| [21:21:09] | BULLE: | kormoc: here, you pay like 30usd a month, for unlimited ammount of traffic |
| [21:21:34] | BULLE: | Juski: dont you have 3 in the uk ? |
| [21:21:53] | BULLE: | Juski: they surely should have a fixed price no limit data service ? |
| [21:22:26] | Juski: | BULLE: they're reckoned to be unreliable |
| [21:22:47] | Juski: | plus I spend maybe 30 GBP a quarter on calls & texts |
| [21:23:07] | Juski: | used to be 30GBP+ a month, but I wised up |
| [21:24:38] | MoRpHeUz: | do you guys use that king of feature like games, weather and news from mythtv ? |
| [21:25:27] | _Sam--: | i do |
| [21:25:52] | _Sam--: | i like the rss reader, and i use the weather alot...games not so much |
| [21:26:02] | _Sam--: | although i just downloaded a rom last night to test it |
| [21:26:26] | MoRpHeUz: | hhmm |
| [21:26:43] | _Sam--: | i also exit out of myth alot and mess around with in X |
| [21:27:20] | MoRpHeUz: | any ideas of what would be nice to have on mythtv regarding mobile devices like n800 ? |
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| [21:30:56] | Juski: | MoRpHeUz: why do you keep asking? are you going to whip up some code? |
| [21:31:08] | MoRpHeUz: | Juski: yeah |
| [21:31:09] | MoRpHeUz: | =) |
| [21:31:21] | Juski: | just do *some stuff* then :) |
| [21:31:23] | MoRpHeUz: | so It's better to write some usefull code right ? |
| [21:31:41] | MoRpHeUz: | Juski: but it's important to understand what is usefull to the users.. |
| [21:31:48] | Juski: | most folks write stuff they think will be useful to themselves, then if they think it's worthy, put it out there |
| [21:32:01] | MoRpHeUz: | yeah, for sure =) |
| [21:32:13] | MoRpHeUz: | but it doesnt hurt to ask hehe =) to I came here to ask |
| [21:32:22] | MoRpHeUz: | but I got an idea of what is important |
| [21:35:29] | _Sam--: | MoRpHeUz : what is that you want on your mobile device? |
| [21:35:59] | MoRpHeUz: | _Sam--: well, I own an n800 .. and want to write some code for it... |
| [21:36:07] | MoRpHeUz: | _Sam--: regarding mythtv also |
| [21:36:16] | _Sam--: | like what...what do you want it to do, that it cant |
| [21:36:35] | MoRpHeUz: | _Sam--: that's the point..I came here to get some suggestions =) |
| [21:36:57] | MoRpHeUz: | as I'm a new user regarding mythtv.. |
| [21:37:40] | MoRpHeUz: | so I thought about asking people around about what they think is usefull (people that uses mythtv at more time than me) |
| [21:37:40] | _Sam--: | MoRpHeUz : why did you choose the nokia device instead of a more traditional pocket pc |
| [21:37:57] | _Sam--: | (i dont like the n800, myself) |
| [21:38:29] | MoRpHeUz: | _Sam--: first of all because it's hardware is amazing...did you took a look on that ?...the resolution is amazing too....it has a dual core arm processor, etc..etc..etc..it runs Linux and has a big community |
| [21:38:33] | MoRpHeUz: | (maemo.org) |
| [21:39:37] | _Sam--: | it doesnt, again in MY opinion, offer all the same functionality that you get with a windows mobile pocket pc. or maybe it does and i dont know it. |
| [21:39:53] | MoRpHeUz: | _Sam--: yeah hehe...it's not a cell phone |
| [21:40:00] | _Sam--: | and the screen doesnt seem any bigger than my pocket pc |
| [21:40:00] | MoRpHeUz: | _Sam--: it has 2 SD Slots |
| [21:40:04] | MoRpHeUz: | ow |
| [21:40:07] | MoRpHeUz: | its bigger |
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| [21:40:13] | _Sam--: | i have a sprint PPC6700 |
| [21:40:20] | _Sam--: | the screen is about the same size, actually |
| [21:40:30] | BULLE: | _Sam--: 800x480 pixel resolution |
| [21:40:39] | MoRpHeUz: | Display |
| [21:40:39] | MoRpHeUz: | * High-resolution (800x480 pixels) touch screen with up to 65,536 colors |
| [21:40:50] | BULLE: | _Sam--: the main point, as i see it, is that it runs linux, so you can basicly install whatever you want on it |
| [21:41:09] | BULLE: | _Sam--: mplayer for media watching and so on |
| [21:41:21] | BULLE: | _Sam--: it all depends a bit on what you want to use it for i guess |
| [21:41:21] | MoRpHeUz: | and www.nokia.com/n800 |
| [21:41:28] | MoRpHeUz: | BULLE: for sure |
| [21:41:40] | _Sam--: | i looked at it on nokia's site |
| [21:42:02] | BULLE: | the cpu is pretty nifty in the n800 has video acceleration and 3d acceleration in it |
| [21:42:07] | BULLE: | so media playback is pretty good |
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| [21:44:20] | _Sam--: | does the N800 interact with any media server software that you run on your home pc? |
| [21:44:31] | kormoc: | MoRpHeUz, where'd you hear that it has a dual core arm? |
| [21:45:06] | MoRpHeUz: | _Sam--: yeah |
| [21:45:12] | MoRpHeUz: | _Sam--: anyone that supports upnp |
| [21:45:23] | MoRpHeUz: | kormoc: around #maemo |
| [21:45:50] | kormoc: | MoRpHeUz, it has a 330 mhz TI OMAP 2420, which if you check TI's spec sheet on it ( http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbupro . . . ntentId=4671 ) it's not dual core |
| [21:45:53] | _Sam--: | im just trying to figure out what that thing has, and can do, that i cant do with my pocket pc. |
| [21:46:02] | BULLE: | afaik the cpu isnt dualcore per se |
| [21:46:17] | BULLE: | it has one arm core, and one dsp core, and one powervr graphicscore ? |
| [21:46:47] | BULLE: | _Sam--: main thing is it runs opensource os and software i would think |
| [21:46:49] | kormoc: | yeah, it has multiple distinct cores, but not two generic processing cores |
| [21:47:11] | MoRpHeUz: | thats right |
| [21:47:14] | _Sam--: | BULLE: i dont know if , in this case, that is a plus or a minus. i dont know that i would want to run non-pda optimized code, on my pda |
| [21:47:28] | kormoc: | MoRpHeUz, only one of the cores is arm based :P |
| [21:47:38] | MoRpHeUz: | kormoc: thats right ! my mistake =P |
| [21:47:56] | BULLE: | kormoc: i had the impression teh n800 used a 2430 though, but i might be wrong |
| [21:47:59] | MoRpHeUz: | _Sam--: the community around maemo is bigger than around windows mobile... |
| [21:48:16] | MoRpHeUz: | _Sam--: developing for windows mobile is a pain in the ass =( |
| [21:48:24] | _Sam--: | MoRpHeUz : i would disagree on the first point. |
| [21:48:25] | MoRpHeUz: | and writing code for maemo is very easy |
| [21:48:25] | BULLE: | _Sam--: 330mhz cpu 128mb ram, that was a desktop computer 5 years ago |
| [21:48:37] | _Sam--: | windows mobiule has a big amount of applications for it, and a big community of developers |
| [21:48:46] | MoRpHeUz: | _Sam--: hhmm |
| [21:48:52] | MoRpHeUz: | I dont see in that way |
| [21:48:54] | MoRpHeUz: | I had a pocket |
| [21:48:55] | MoRpHeUz: | once |
| [21:49:05] | kormoc: | how long ago? |
| [21:49:14] | MoRpHeUz: | before this n800 |
| [21:49:19] | kormoc: | in the past 2 or so years, it's really really picked up steam |
| [21:49:31] | _Sam--: | BULLE: exactly my point — you want, say, mozilla firefox in a non-optimized version on your linux pda? |
| [21:49:44] | BULLE: | _Sam--: it already has opera |
| [21:49:49] | _Sam--: | todays code, is written for todays cpus — not for stuff 5 years ago |
| [21:49:49] | BULLE: | _Sam--: with flash and all that stuff |
| [21:49:56] | kormoc: | BULLE, alas, opera isn't perfect |
| [21:50:07] | _Sam--: | im just saying, using non-pda specific code on your pda... |
| [21:50:10] | _Sam--: | i dont know |
| [21:50:11] | BULLE: | kormoc: its the best mobile devie browser i have seen, its way better then the mobile ie thingy atleast |
| [21:50:30] | kormoc: | BULLE, true enough, but lots of sites fail on it :/ |
| [21:54:05] | _Sam--: | MoRpHeUz : i think the argument is similar to why linux isnt on the desktops of many computers. because windows is better at a desktop os |
| [21:54:23] | MoRpHeUz: | _Sam--: hhmm |
| [21:54:23] | _Sam--: | for MOST people |
| [21:54:27] | MoRpHeUz: | yeah |
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| [21:55:21] | _Sam--: | have people totally wiped out (erased rom) and installed their own linux and apps on that N800? |
| [21:55:22] | BULLE: | _Sam--: im not so sure about that assumption, righ toff |
| [21:55:39] | BULLE: | _Sam--: windows is surely a good desktop product |
| [21:55:44] | _Sam--: | its not an assumption, its a fact. windows is better, for most people, at being a desktop OS than linux |
| [21:55:50] | _Sam--: | or, its a better CHOICE for most people |
| [21:56:03] | MoRpHeUz: | I dont agree with that. |
| [21:56:12] | BULLE: | i dont agree with the "better choice" |
| [21:56:16] | _Sam--: | that fine, accept your opinion |
| [21:56:22] | BULLE: | people use it, because that is what came with the computer, and its what they know |
| [21:56:22] | _Sam--: | i accept your opinion |
| [21:56:24] | MoRpHeUz: | I think people are used to use windows... |
| [21:56:26] | BULLE: | not because its better |
| [21:56:33] | MoRpHeUz: | BULLE: that's what I think |
| [21:56:41] | _Sam--: | people use it, because it allows them to efficiently do the tasks they need to |
| [21:56:41] | Dibblah: | Let's not have this discussion here. |
| [21:56:49] | _Sam--: | if linux were more efficient at that, then people would switch |
| [21:56:51] | BULLE: | why hassle with installing linux, when you cant get rid of windows and it comes preinstalled on your computer ? |
| [21:56:52] | MoRpHeUz: | Diok |
| [21:56:55] | kormoc: | BULLE, not entirly true. There's a lot of people that don't want to take the time to learn linux, it's not really something most people enjoy |
| [21:56:56] | MoRpHeUz: | Dibblah: ok.. |
| [21:57:21] | kormoc: | BULLE, windows is easy enough to stumble though without knowing what you are doing and still get some stuff done, linux isn't so easy |
| [21:57:22] | BULLE: | kormoc: you dont need to know the internals of linux anymore then you need to know the internals of windows realy |
| [21:57:35] | BULLE: | kormoc: ubuntu isnt that far off from windows nowadays, in setup and use |
| [21:57:43] | kormoc: | BULLE, sure you do to do a lot of things, take gaming, wine is decently complicated |
| [21:57:55] | MoRpHeUz: | _Sam--, kormoc, BULLE: thanks for the feedback anyway =) |
| [21:57:58] | BULLE: | oh sure, i wasnt considering gaming |
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| [21:58:09] | kormoc: | BULLE, which is a large market for desktop machines :P |
| [21:58:12] | _Sam--: | outside of ubuntu, which is a single distro..<not LINUX>.... |
| [21:58:18] | _Sam--: | even just PRINTING from linux is tough |
| [21:58:33] | BULLE: | _Sam--: you cant talk about linux, you need to talk about distributions |
| [21:58:53] | BULLE: | _Sam--: printing is pretty dead easy on most sane desktop distros nowadays |
| [21:58:58] | BULLE: | not just ubuntu |
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| [21:59:05] | kormoc: | BULLE, or even office products. Open office isn't completely compatable, nor is koffice, nor any other office clone, so then you're dealing with wine/crossover to run office, again, decently complicated |
| [21:59:07] | _Sam--: | if you install a GUI, maybe |
| [21:59:31] | BULLE: | _Sam--: they come with gui nowadays, that do it all for you |
| [21:59:42] | _Sam--: | i install linux all the time – with no gui |
| [21:59:45] | _Sam--: | for servers |
| [21:59:56] | BULLE: | kormoc: compability with office can be hairy yes, but we can mainly thank ms for that |
| [22:00:07] | BULLE: | _Sam--: yes, and that is your choice |
| [22:00:13] | kormoc: | _Sam--, we are talking about desktops tho, and desktop distros usually come with a gui |
| [22:00:19] | BULLE: | indeed |
| [22:00:26] | _Sam--: | anyway, its a moot point. but if you choose to believe that linux (ubuntu) is a better choice for MOST desktop users, thats fine, and your choice. |
| [22:00:28] | kormoc: | BULLE, aye, but a huge issue with the business desktop computer market |
| [22:00:33] | _Sam--: | i respect that, even ifi dont agree. |
| [22:00:48] | _Sam--: | now im going to have a smoke and forget about it. |
| [22:01:04] | BULLE: | kormoc: yes, we are back to the, we have windows, we know how it works, therefore we keep using it, kind of |
| [22:01:34] | BULLE: | kormoc: its not that the ms fileformat is superior in function or design, its just the defacto standard, and they realy put in an effort to make it hard to be compatible with it |
| [22:01:42] | kormoc: | BULLE, well, it's more that the only reason people use it is cause it's there, it's more cause without a lot of work it's hard to switch |
| [22:01:43] | _Sam--: | if people wanted linux / distro as an OS choice when they bought the computer...then the OEMs would offer it, like they do for servers |
| [22:01:55] | kormoc: | _Sam--, some places do |
| [22:02:00] | BULLE: | _Sam--: yeah right |
| [22:02:18] | kormoc: | www.linuxcertified.com is a common one |
| [22:02:33] | BULLE: | mkrufky: odf ? |
| [22:02:37] | BULLE: | mkrufky: odf seems to be the way to go, imho |
| [22:02:49] | mkrufky: | yeah, rtf is just an in-between for now |
| [22:02:53] | kormoc: | BULLE, ODF isn't supported by word is it? |
| [22:02:54] | mkrufky: | odf is xml, iirc ? |
| [22:03:00] | BULLE: | kormoc: yes it is |
| [22:03:04] | kormoc: | ahh, niftty |
| [22:03:05] | _Sam--: | why would, for example, dell care if they sell you a windows box or a linux box? if people were calling all day asking for machines to be delivered with ubuntu, someone would have business delivering ubuntu configured desktop pcs |
| [22:03:06] | kormoc: | *nifty |
| [22:03:08] | slowone: | anyone here use a mac-mini + linux as a frontend? |
| [22:03:12] | BULLE: | kormoc: there is plugin for office |
| [22:03:14] | echosyp: | my freakin mail man won't give me my mail |
| [22:03:23] | BULLE: | kormoc: ms had to write one, in order not to be excluded from some big govt deals |
| [22:03:24] | kormoc: | _Sam--, well, actually, they don't due to contract with MS |
| [22:03:26] | mkrufky: | _Sam--: dell ships pcs with linux on them |
| [22:03:34] | kormoc: | BULLE, ahh, but not out of the box support eh? |
| [22:03:35] | _Sam--: | mkrufky : servers |
| [22:03:38] | _Sam--: | not desktops |
| [22:03:39] | mkrufky: | yea |
| [22:03:55] | BULLE: | kormoc: no, of course not, you need to install that, and ms are trying to hide the fact, but its there |
| [22:03:56] | _Sam--: | the debate is over linux / distro vs. microsoft on the desktop |
| [22:03:59] | kormoc: | dell sold linux desktops in china |
| [22:04:04] | _Sam--: | desktop PCs / not servers |
| [22:04:14] | BULLE: | i CANT buy a dell pc here, without windows |
| [22:04:17] | BULLE: | as a normal consumer |
| [22:04:20] | BULLE: | says a thing or two |
| [22:04:28] | BULLE: | im forced to buy it |
| [22:04:28] | _Sam--: | says that consumers dont WANT it |
| [22:04:30] | kormoc: | BULLE, yeah, but that makes it less then overly useful to send documents to other companies or similar. |
| [22:04:51] | kormoc: | BULLE, sorry, you can |
| [22:04:54] | kormoc: | BULLE, http://www.dell.com/content/products/features . . . p;redirect=1 |
| [22:04:55] | BULLE: | kormoc: yes, ms has absolutely no incentive to make it easy to use something other then their products |
| [22:05:01] | kormoc: | "Dell PrecisionTM open-source n Series1 workstations deliver maximum workstation performance. Smart for businesses with proprietary software images or special Linux needs, these systems are available with factory installed Linux." |
| [22:05:13] | BULLE: | kormoc: no i cant |
| [22:05:16] | BULLE: | kormoc: not here, in sweden |
| [22:05:27] | kormoc: | BULLE, uhh, does dell sell in sweden? |
| [22:05:35] | BULLE: | kormoc: eh ? |
| [22:05:46] | BULLE: | dont be dull, of course they do |
| [22:05:54] | BULLE: | www.dell.se |
| [22:06:07] | kormoc: | BULLE, so why can't you order a open-source n serise1 workstation? |
| [22:06:19] | BULLE: | kormoc: because that product is not available here |
| [22:06:25] | kormoc: | BULLE, did you check? |
| [22:06:33] | kormoc: | BULLE, it's something new they're just started offering |
| [22:06:36] | BULLE: | kormoc: same goes with free vista upgrade |
| [22:06:48] | BULLE: | kormoc: if you buy dell pc in us, you get free vista upgrade, same pc, here, no free vista upgrade |
| [22:07:01] | BULLE: | kormoc: its the same cost to dell either way |
| [22:07:05] | BULLE: | its just a dell decision |
| [22:07:09] | kormoc: | BULLE, and how does that mean they won't do the linux? |
| [22:07:14] | kormoc: | I don't see how they're related |
| [22:07:21] | BULLE: | kormoc: look, i know for a fact you cant |
| [22:07:33] | BULLE: | kormoc: we have tried, as in the department i work for |
| [22:07:37] | kormoc: | BULLE, fair nuff, it's just a new product, less then a month old |
| [22:07:38] | BULLE: | kormoc: no go |
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| [22:09:13] | BULLE: | kormoc: the answear we got was, dell do not sell linux in northern europe |
| [22:09:18] | BULLE: | we sell windows |
| [22:09:26] | kormoc: | BULLE, up until a month ago, they states the same thing about the us |
| [22:09:26] | BULLE: | and no, we could not buy computer without windows |
| [22:09:35] | kormoc: | *they stated |
| [22:09:51] | BULLE: | well, i cant find any info about linux or those opensource machiens on dell swedish site |
| [22:10:07] | BULLE: | we just went with hp instead |
| [22:10:17] | BULLE: | there we could atleast buy machines without os |
| [22:10:20] | BULLE: | and install os ourselves |
| [22:11:53] | slowone: | bulle does your company have a dell primere account? |
| [22:12:15] | echosyp: | actually you can buy a computer without windows |
| [22:12:32] | BULLE: | slowone: its not my company, but the department i work for |
| [22:12:47] | BULLE: | slowone: and i dont think we have a "dell primere account" |
| [22:12:58] | echosyp: | you can demand from any pc provider a computer without windows |
| [22:13:07] | BULLE: | echosyp: not here |
| [22:13:14] | slowone: | its an option on almost all of dells stuff /if/ you have a primere account.. :/ |
| [22:13:14] | echosyp: | here? |
| [22:13:25] | slowone: | but we buy lots of junk from them (univeristy) |
| [22:13:44] | BULLE: | slowone: well, this is a hospital that only used dell for all its hardware, with several thousand terminals and hundreds of servers |
| [22:14:03] | echosyp: | if you don't agree to the M$ EULA they will have to refund the cost of the software |
| [22:14:11] | echosyp: | which to them is only like $50 |
| [22:14:40] | BULLE: | echosyp: the few that have managed to do that here, have gotten something like usd 20 |
| [22:14:49] | BULLE: | echosyp: and it have taken months |
| [22:14:58] | echosyp: | gotta stick with it |
| [22:15:03] | BULLE: | echosyp: so its just a waste of time |
| [22:15:06] | BULLE: | echosyp: its not worth it |
| [22:15:10] | echosyp: | they'll learn |
| [22:15:11] | BULLE: | echosyp: we just bought from hp |
| [22:15:12] | echosyp: | eventually |
| [22:16:30] | kormoc: | HP sucks more :P |
| [22:16:34] | echosyp: | yeah |
| [22:16:40] | echosyp: | i learned that the hard way |
| [22:16:52] | echosyp: | as i watched my friend learn it too |
| [22:17:05] | BULLE: | same shit, different name |
| [22:17:13] | kormoc: | I worked for HP as a contractor for a few months, we had 1 in 4 servers DOA, and around 1/10 workstations DOA |
| [22:17:14] | BULLE: | we use sun for the server side stuff |
| [22:17:16] | echosyp: | quality difference |
| [22:17:19] | BULLE: | and mainly dull-xp terminals |
| [22:17:45] | BULLE: | echosyp: not our problem, we buy the things, and have 7h replacement policy |
| [22:17:57] | kormoc: | 7 hour? |
| [22:18:00] | echosyp: | haha |
| [22:18:05] | slowone: | only thing dell does thats nice and others dont, is there warrenty program if you have a large number of there boxes |
| [22:18:24] | echosyp: | i build my own shit |
| [22:18:25] | BULLE: | kormoc: well, we have machines standing in boxes, for the common models |
| [22:18:26] | _Sam--: | their |
| [22:18:31] | echosyp: | i don't trust someone else |
| [22:18:31] | _Sam--: | not there |
| [22:18:32] | BULLE: | kormoc: but for the wierder things, its usualy 7h |
| [22:18:42] | kormoc: | BULLE, ooh, *you* have that policy, not dell |
| [22:18:45] | slowone: | 'warrenty parts direct' lets me get replacement stuff shipped with out dealing with phone support ;p |
| [22:18:50] | BULLE: | kormoc: nah, dell comes within 7 hours |
| [22:19:03] | BULLE: | kormoc: dell owns the machiens standing in the boxes |
| [22:19:08] | BULLE: | kormoc: its just to speed up things |
| [22:19:09] | kormoc: | huh, usually it's 4 or 8 hours |
| [22:19:12] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [22:19:21] | BULLE: | kormoc: dunno, 7 hours is what the paper says, dunno why =) |
| [22:19:36] | echosyp: | its prolly negotiable |
| [22:19:39] | echosyp: | situational |
| [22:19:56] | echosyp: | -negotiable |
| [22:20:03] | BULLE: | kormoc: its a bit complicated, it depends a bit on exactly what type of computer it is, if the computer is part of some certified type of service, a third party might have to drop by and accept the "repair" |
| [22:20:22] | BULLE: | kormoc: mostly that is the manufacturer of the instrument the computer is connected to |
| [22:20:25] | echosyp: | repairs are a pain in the ass |
| [22:20:31] | BULLE: | yes |
| [22:20:41] | echosyp: | so id go with dell over hp |
| [22:20:49] | echosyp: | cause i know hp's shit goes bad |
| [22:20:58] | BULLE: | we just go with sun for the server stuff |
| [22:21:09] | BULLE: | and if a terminal goes b00m, its not realy an issue |
| [22:21:15] | BULLE: | there are plenty of terminals |
| [22:21:20] | _Sam--: | you have some sunrays? |
| [22:21:30] | BULLE: | _Sam--: no, for servers |
| [22:21:34] | echosyp: | my apt complex has to heat the pool |
| [22:21:37] | _Sam--: | sunrays for terminals |
| [22:21:38] | echosyp: | cause it froze over |
| [22:21:39] | BULLE: | _Sam--: no |
| [22:21:42] | BULLE: | _Sam--: no sunrays |
| [22:21:45] | echosyp: | im gonna go get in |
| [22:21:50] | BULLE: | _Sam--: dell machines, with winxp for terminals |
| [22:22:01] | kormoc: | echosyp, so it's only 32.1 in the pool, rather then 32.0 |
| [22:22:12] | echosyp: | yeah prolly |
| [22:22:18] | BULLE: | _Sam--: some of the smaller sun servers, v880 machines mainly |
| [22:22:36] | echosyp: | i wouldn't just jump in, id test it first |
| [22:23:04] | echosyp: | i might not know shit about TV but i can tell if a pool is too damn cold |
| [22:23:17] | _Sam--: | the sunrays are kinda for remote terminal access |
| [22:23:35] | BULLE: | yes i know what they are |
| [22:23:55] | BULLE: | the main use for the dell machines is for the hospitals electronic, uhm, what do you call it, information system ? |
| [22:24:03] | BULLE: | keep track of patients, their journals etc |
| [22:24:11] | BULLE: | wher samples are sent, results etc |
| [22:24:18] | BULLE: | that is all windows based, on the client side |
| [22:24:18] | _Sam--: | probably all old vt-100 type terminal interaction? |
| [22:24:30] | BULLE: | to the sun servers ? |
| [22:24:33] | _Sam--: | yeah |
| [22:24:52] | BULLE: | they have, uhm, whats the name of it |
| [22:25:10] | BULLE: | well basicly, an extra ehternet, that is connected to management cards in the servers |
| [22:25:16] | BULLE: | that are a system of their own, that has battery backup |
| [22:25:32] | BULLE: | so if something goes realy crap, you can resort to that |
| [22:25:37] | BULLE: | otherwise we just tend to use X |
| [22:25:42] | BULLE: | as its ethernet |
| [22:25:46] | _Sam--: | citrix? |
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| [22:26:04] | opello: | iLO? |
| [22:26:12] | echosyp: | what in lilo will play a .asx stream? |
| [22:26:16] | echosyp: | fuck |
| [22:26:17] | echosyp: | linux |
| [22:26:20] | echosyp: | not lilo |
| [22:26:35] | kormoc: | language... |
| [22:26:39] | echosyp: | my bad |
| [22:26:40] | kormoc: | and mplayer/xine both shoud |
| [22:26:42] | kormoc: | *should |
| [22:26:52] | _Sam--: | "ou can play Microsoft Media Player streams under linux withavifile" |
| [22:27:03] | opello: | and vlc :) |
| [22:27:07] | opello: | i think/ |
| [22:27:19] | _Sam--: | http://avifile.sourceforge.net/ |
| [22:28:15] | _Sam--: | cant you edit the asx file and just see the source of the stream, anyway? |
| [22:28:20] | _Sam--: | its been a while since i messed |
| [22:28:30] | echosyp: | idk |
| [22:28:31] | echosyp: | can you? |
| [22:28:41] | _Sam--: | try to edit it in pico/nano whatever |
| [22:28:44] | opello: | generally |
| [22:28:47] | opello: | cat foo.asx? |
| [22:29:35] | _Sam--: | "Well, after some some research, I found two .asx players for Linux. |
| [22:29:37] | _Sam--: | First there's mplayer, works well enough, good in it's look and feel. " |
| [22:29:51] | _Sam--: | "A second solution and what seems to be a better one is Kaffeine from |
| [22:29:52] | _Sam--: | www.kde.org. " |
| [22:30:48] | opello: | totem probably plays it too then |
| [22:30:52] | _Sam--: | "support for typical used playlist formats as ASX, RAM, m3u, pls and partially SMIL and a dockable viewer for it. This allows you to easy navigate or bookmark certain streams." http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Vid . . . r-2220.shtml |
| [22:32:33] | BULLE: | _Sam--: no, not citrix, just X |
| [22:32:57] | _Sam--: | BULLE: you are a sysadmin type guy there? |
| [22:33:32] | BULLE: | _Sam--: no, student |
| [22:33:48] | BULLE: | _Sam--: but doing kind of heavy number crunching data analysis |
| [22:34:07] | BULLE: | _Sam--: so in the end, im taking care of some of the sun servers |
| [22:34:09] | _Sam--: | medical student, or computer student? |
| [22:34:13] | BULLE: | medical |
| [22:34:27] | BULLE: | human genetics |
| [22:34:28] | _Sam--: | i didnt know adminsistering sun servers was in the medical curriculum :) |
| [22:34:46] | Defend is now known as defend | |
| [22:34:53] | BULLE: | well, you have to spend 20% of your time doing something the department decides |
| [22:35:13] | BULLE: | that can be everything from holding lectures, to photocopy lecture notes for professors |
| [22:35:24] | _Sam--: | what year student are you? |
| [22:35:24] | BULLE: | for me, its administration of a bunch of sun servers |
| [22:35:33] | BULLE: | _Sam--: 3 |
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| [22:35:49] | _Sam--: | this is your last year of school, then you do your internship? |
| [22:36:02] | _Sam--: | or residency |
| [22:36:20] | BULLE: | _Sam--: uhm, _internship ? oh, no, im studying at the medical facutly, but i am not studying to be a md |
| [22:36:28] | _Sam--: | i see |
| [22:36:29] | BULLE: | _Sam--: im a molecular genetics guy, no patients |
| [22:36:55] | BULLE: | _Sam--: medical-technology i guess is a decent description |
| [22:36:57] | _Sam--: | are you getting a graduate degree (PhD, etc)...or undergraduate? |
| [22:37:05] | BULLE: | graduate degree |
| [22:37:09] | _Sam--: | nice |
| [22:37:16] | _Sam--: | do you have to write a dissertation? |
| [22:37:20] | echosyp: | yes |
| [22:37:31] | BULLE: | yes |
| [22:37:39] | _Sam--: | what is your topic? |
| [22:37:47] | echosyp: | i doubt he has one yet |
| [22:37:53] | BULLE: | nah, i kind of have |
| [22:38:07] | BULLE: | primate evolution, with a special intrest in subtelomeric tandemrepeats |
| [22:38:25] | _Sam--: | evolution? whats that! people believe in that crap? (JUST KIDDING) |
| [22:38:30] | BULLE: | =) |
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| [22:39:04] | _Sam--: | tandem repeats you mean, 2 words? |
| [22:39:21] | _Sam--: | are you studying nucleotides? |
| [22:39:25] | echosyp: | heh |
| [22:39:37] | BULLE: | _Sam--: no and yes |
| [22:39:48] | _Sam--: | i have a problem with short tandem repeats in my DNA |
| [22:39:55] | BULLE: | oh you have ? |
| [22:40:07] | _Sam--: | no, but it sounded good |
| [22:40:10] | BULLE: | haha |
| [22:40:22] | BULLE: | i bet you have =) |
| [22:40:32] | _Sam--: | i do a lot of gel electrophoresis |
| [22:40:35] | BULLE: | some microsatellite related difuse congenital disease |
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| [22:40:49] | BULLE: | _Sam--: dont we all have to put up with that |
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| [22:41:09] | _Sam--: | do you work with DNA? |
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| [22:41:30] | BULLE: | _Sam--: i dont do much lab work nowadays |
| [22:41:38] | echosyp: | hes still n00b |
| [22:41:39] | _Sam--: | you just crunch data from the lab? |
| [22:41:47] | BULLE: | _Sam--: but my basic education did contain lots of labwork |
| [22:41:50] | BULLE: | _Sam--: mainly yes |
| [22:42:00] | galorin: | and here I am trying to do non-linear regression with oo.org |
| [22:42:10] | BULLE: | galorin: R |
| [22:42:33] | BULLE: | galorin: it might seem a bit nasty at first, but its actualy pretty neat when you get the hang of it |
| [22:42:49] | _Sam--: | what type of things, bulle, does a tandem repeat cuase, if you have it in your DNA? |
| [22:42:49] | BULLE: | galorin: http://www.r-project.org/ |
| [22:43:00] | BULLE: | _Sam--: its not a matter of if we have, we all have, lots of it |
| [22:43:16] | Qworg: | I'm scared of reading 300 pages of documentation for a simple question, but I'm also scared of asking it here and being told to read the documentation. Catch 22. |
| [22:43:19] | _Sam--: | so what does uncovering / understanding the tandem repeats lead to |
| [22:43:24] | BULLE: | _Sam--: classicaly, its part of what people refer to as "junk DNA" |
| [22:44:01] | BULLE: | _Sam--: well, some do cause disease, so finding out wich ones are likely candidates to cause dises, might help you in finding the cause of certain diseases |
| [22:44:07] | galorin: | bloody college wants me to use Excel.. yick! For now, I'm going to need to figure out Pearson's correlation coefficient by hand, and I don't know how to do that.. |
| [22:44:10] | BULLE: | _Sam--: they can also be used in forensic settings |
| [22:44:17] | BULLE: | galorin: R! |
| [22:45:00] | _Sam--: | so people, for example, with a higher percent of tandem repeats, might be more prone to certain disorders? |
| [22:45:09] | _Sam--: | or having a higher percentage of tandem repeats isnt threatening? |
| [22:45:12] | galorin: | bloody heck! Looking at that it's overkill LOL.. it's just one assignment.. I'm doing construction, not theoretical particle physics |
| [22:45:31] | Qworg: | Does anyone have a moment to talk over a specific application with me? |
| [22:45:48] | BULLE: | _Sam--: no, its not |
| [22:46:05] | BULLE: | _Sam--: its more like the size of the particular repeat, a larger bigger repeat, is more prone to growing even more, it seems |
| [22:46:28] | BULLE: | _Sam--: if this repeat is located close to one of your genes, this might disrupt or atleast alter the genes function |
| [22:47:33] | _Sam--: | and of all that, the repeats, are established at conception (when egg meet sperm?) |
| [22:47:37] | BULLE: | Qworg: dont ask to ask, just ask, and someone will respond if they feel like they have something to contribute with |
| [22:47:45] | Qworg: | BULLE: Thanks. |
| [22:48:26] | BULLE: | _Sam--: well, the repeats are there all the time, but it seems that the alteration of repeat size, is mainly taking place during the reation of egg and sperm |
| [22:48:43] | BULLE: | _Sam--: exact ratios and mechanisms is still something peopel argue about |
| [22:48:58] | galorin: | Interesting selection of topics for mythtv.. but thanks for pointing me to that site. |
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| [22:49:14] | _Sam--: | how long would "long" repeat be? like the same nucleotides repeated 3 times is a long repeat, or a short repeat? |
| [22:49:32] | BULLE: | _Sam--: short |
| [22:49:35] | Qworg: | Any thoughts on card choice? What would be a good way to get the raw video data out of the streams? |
| [22:49:57] | galorin: | Qworg, what country are you in? |
| [22:50:03] | Qworg: | Oh, USV = Unmanned Surface Vehicle – a robotic boat. |
| [22:50:06] | Qworg: | USA. |
| [22:50:23] | kormoc: | Qworg, for multiple imputs on one card, you're looking at only one card that can handle that, it's a bttv chipset and thus a framegrabber |
| [22:50:33] | kormoc: | (where multiple is greater then 2) |
| [22:50:36] | _Sam--: | was wondering how that question applies to mythtv |
| [22:50:43] | kormoc: | _Sam--, it doesn't |
| [22:50:50] | galorin: | I'm not sure about any of the HW n the US, I'm UK |
| [22:50:57] | kormoc: | _Sam--, we have lots of random people show up asking things entirely OT |
| [22:51:12] | Qworg: | It does – we'd like to use MythTV, as we're unsure about drivers to support video capture under Ubuntu. |
| [22:51:12] | BULLE: | like for example how long a short tandem repeat is |
| [22:51:17] | _Sam--: | lol |
| [22:51:22] | kormoc: | Qworg, http://store.bluecherry.net/4_port_video_capt . . . pv-143na.htm |
| [22:51:35] | _Sam--: | Qworg : what you want to do, doesnt really fit within mythtv (in my own opinion) |
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| [22:51:40] | kormoc: | Qworg, something like that, and keep in mind, it only outputs raw video and thus to encode will eat cpu up a lot |
| [22:51:46] | BULLE: | Qworg: mythtv doesnt come with drivers of its own, it relies on separate drivers |
| [22:51:51] | BULLE: | Qworg: all of wich work in ubuntu |
| [22:52:22] | Qworg: | kormoc – It's too slow, sadly – I need full framerate per input. |
| [22:52:36] | Qworg: | _Sam – Okay. =) |
| [22:52:48] | kormoc: | Qworg, you then don't have a choice, you need to go with a single capture device per slot and USB for the rest |
| [22:52:55] | kormoc: | least, as far as I know |
| [22:52:58] | _Sam--: | maybe it will work, maybe not. its the first type of setup that came to my mind |
| [22:53:02] | Qworg: | BULLE – Really? I'm slowly learning to be a Linux guy. =0 |
| [22:54:01] | kormoc: | Qworg, just keep in mind, each distro does things differently, and ubuntu is one of the most non-standard ones out there, so just keep that in mind |
| [22:54:28] | galorin: | well, now that I'm installing R, I just need a biker gang armed with clue bats to whack me upside the head. |
| [22:54:30] | Qworg: | kormoc – the programming team loves Ubuntu... |
| [22:54:34] | BULLE: | Qworg: atleast they claim 30fps for it |
| [22:54:44] | _Sam--: | Qworg : there may be something here, too: http://www.zoneminder.com/ |
| [22:55:19] | BULLE: | Qworg: now, i dont know if they have linux drivers for that card, but hey |
| [22:55:25] | kormoc: | BULLE, heh, the one I linked to was 30 fps too, and he said too slow |
| [22:55:27] | Qworg: | BULLE – That looks great – the drivers are the question. =) |
| [22:55:37] | BULLE: | kormoc: ye, and i got a bit confused about that =) |
| [22:55:43] | Qworg: | kormoc – The one you linked was 30 FPS spread across all 4 cameras. |
| [22:55:48] | Qworg: | This one is 30 for each. |
| [22:56:08] | kormoc: | Qworg, no, I believe it's 30 per port |
| [22:56:22] | Qworg: | Oh? Nice. |
| [22:56:27] | kormoc: | I thought? |
| [22:56:30] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [22:56:33] | kormoc: | perhaps not |
| [22:56:43] | kormoc: | well, there are bttv 4 port ones out there that do 30 per port |
| [22:56:53] | kormoc: | pehaps this one isn't, I just did a quick google search |
| [22:57:04] | _Sam--: | "Software Features: |
| [22:57:04] | _Sam--: | * Hi-resolution Recording (640x480) |
| [22:57:05] | _Sam--: | * 30 fps Recording & Viewing Per Camera" |
| [22:57:16] | BULLE: | team that up with one of those nice intel quad core cpus |
| [22:57:23] | BULLE: | and you can crunch the video |
| [22:57:36] | Qworg: | The BT will require hardcore processing yes? |
| [22:57:49] | Qworg: | Since the raws can't be used in software. |
| [22:57:49] | kormoc: | if by hardcore you mean cpu processing, yes |
| [22:57:59] | Qworg: | By hardcore I mean lots. |
| [22:58:04] | kormoc: | yes |
| [22:58:07] | Qworg: | Definitely CPU processing. |
| [22:58:23] | kormoc: | when I was using a single bttv chipset, it was using around 30% of my 2.4 ghz p4 to record into mpeg-4 |
| [22:58:23] | _Sam--: | they have 4 or more port bttv cards? |
| [22:58:38] | kormoc: | yes sam |
| [22:58:45] | galorin: | BULLE, R looks useful, but I think it's learning curve is going to be murder. I think I'll just smile and nod until we're done with regression on excel. |
| [22:58:53] | _Sam--: | im not doubting you, just wanting to learn — do you know of one in particular? |
| [22:59:11] | kormoc: | _Sam--, the one I linked to earler |
| [22:59:28] | Qworg: | Yies. |
| [22:59:35] | BULLE: | galorin: hehe |
| [22:59:36] | _Sam--: | it uses the BT chipset? |
| [22:59:37] | Qworg: | That's a lot of processing. |
| [22:59:42] | BULLE: | galorin: learning curve is a bit harsh |
| [22:59:51] | kormoc: | _Sam--, yes, notice where it says, "Chipset: BT878" |
| [23:00:00] | BULLE: | now i for to go to sleeeeeeeeeeeeeep |
| [23:00:04] | ** BULLE --sova & ** | |
| [23:00:21] | _Sam--: | hmm...i must be on the wrong page |
| [23:00:24] | _Sam--: | can you paste the URL again? |
| [23:00:32] | kormoc: | _Sam--, http://store.bluecherry.net/4_port_video_capt . . . pv-143na.htm |
| [23:01:07] | _Sam--: | "# The product you are trying to view no longer exists." |
| [23:01:08] | _Sam--: | ? |
| [23:01:11] | galorin: | BULLE, when you do that sort of thing for a living, you don't mind... Me, I'd rather grab an optical theodolite or Total Station and half-traverse set and set out construction works. |
| [23:01:27] | _Sam--: | sorry |
| [23:01:29] | _Sam--: | bad copy, i guess. |
| [23:01:31] | _Sam--: | thanks. |
| [23:03:02] | _Sam--: | what type of input, kormoc, does those things accept? |
| [23:03:10] | _Sam--: | nevermind. |
| [23:04:43] | brando1: | Anyone know why when I use xine to play back a vob file ripped with mythdvd, 90% of the time I get an error saying the device is in use but if I close the error dialog and play it works? Using passthrough/alsa |
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| [23:10:06] | galorin: | Well, bedtime for me.. wish me luck |
| [23:10:32] | Qworg: | Thanks again guys. |
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| [23:33:10] | defaultro: | Paladine? |
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| [23:34:30] | defaultro: | the one i told you earlier worked!!! |
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| [23:39:30] | Como|Lappy: | ah-HA |
| [23:39:33] | Como|Lappy: | found it again |
| [23:40:02] | Como|Lappy: | now how come doing a /list and filtered for mythtv diddnt show this ;) |
| [23:40:20] | kormoc: | Como|Lappy, cause we were hiding from you! |
| [23:41:07] | Como|Lappy: | I'm looking to build a mythtv box for my woman. I'm thinking something smallish, but i'll worry about that a little later.... Im thinking slackware, because i'm comfortable with it, and then mythv. Maybe partition a 10 gig system partition, then the rest of a drive for storage |
| [23:41:48] | Como|Lappy: | I've got a pvr 350 (iirc) and i was wondering a few things |
| [23:42:07] | Como|Lappy: | mainly, about how much space does an hour of video take |
| [23:42:32] | ** Como|Lappy whips out notepad to take some notes ** | |
| [23:43:58] | Honk: | doesnt mythtv statistics give you a number? =) |
| [23:44:21] | kormoc: | Como|Lappy, depends on your bitrate |
| [23:44:53] | Honk: | information -> machine status -> disk usage on server :P |
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| [23:45:11] | Honk: | 5248kb/s for me *d'oh* |
| [23:45:41] | kormoc: | Como|Lappy, can go between 700 megs a hour to 5 gigs a hour or more |
| [23:46:41] | Como|Lappy: | err |
| [23:47:02] | Como|Lappy: | thats a big range |
| [23:47:09] | Como|Lappy: | is my little 350 really capable of that? |
| [23:47:14] | kormoc: | Como|Lappy, aye, cause it all depends on what you set it to record at |
| [23:47:37] | Como|Lappy: | i figured the hardware encoding on there would be a fairly set amount |
| [23:47:43] | kormoc: | Como|Lappy, by default myth records at around 1.4 gigs an hour I beleive |
| [23:48:01] | kormoc: | Como|Lappy, but the bitrate that it's encoding to is allowed to be set by you |
| [23:48:05] | Honk: | mine's at 5mb/s |
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| [23:48:14] | Honk: | and i didnt change that much :] |
| [23:48:23] | Como|Lappy: | does it look fine? |
| [23:48:30] | Como|Lappy: | i mean, its just tv |
| [23:48:33] | kormoc: | that's 2.25 gigs an hour |
| [23:48:43] | kormoc: | Como|Lappy, I think that 2200 kbps is fine personally |
| [23:48:51] | kormoc: | which is the 1.4 gb/hr |
| [23:48:58] | Como|Lappy: | alright |
| [23:49:02] | defaultro: | hey folks, I forgot how to create those /dev/adaptorN |
| [23:49:05] | Como|Lappy: | well i'll round up and say 2.5 an hour |
| [23:49:11] | defaultro: | i think it's somewhat udev |
| [23:49:38] | Como|Lappy: | thats a solid 8 hours still |
| [23:49:39] | Como|Lappy: | exelent |
| [23:49:51] | kormoc: | more then that |
| [23:50:03] | Como|Lappy: | 80* |
| [23:50:05] | Como|Lappy: | my bad ;) |
| [23:50:07] | kormoc: | aye :P |
| [23:50:38] | Como|Lappy: | ohhhkay |
| [23:50:42] | Como|Lappy: | now, onto the hard stuff |
| [23:50:55] | Como|Lappy: | i heard mythtv is capable of automagically removing commercials |
| [23:50:57] | Como|Lappy: | is that true? |
| [23:51:04] | kormoc: | yes |
| [23:51:15] | Como|Lappy: | ....is it complex, and does it work well? |
| [23:51:42] | kormoc: | you enable comerical flagging and then enable skip comericals and then it skips them. |
| [23:51:47] | kormoc: | it works okay |
| [23:51:53] | kormoc: | around 60% or so for most of my stuff |
| [23:52:12] | Como|Lappy: | thats not bad |
| [23:52:18] | Como|Lappy: | does it ever screw up and chop out show time |
| [23:52:26] | kormoc: | sure, from time to time |
| [23:52:32] | Como|Lappy: | ehh. |
| [23:52:39] | defaultro: | do you guys have this file situated somewhere, dvb-fe-nxt2002.fw ? |
| [23:52:40] | kormoc: | nature of the beast, but it's rather rare for me |
| [23:52:50] | kormoc: | defaultro, bet google does |
| [23:53:01] | defaultro: | :) |
| [23:53:16] | Como|Lappy: | well, i'd leave it off then |
| [23:53:22] | Como|Lappy: | its not for me, and i dont want to piss her off |
| [23:53:26] | Como|Lappy: | lets see |
| [23:54:07] | Como|Lappy: | ooh, the remote that came with my card, would that be used to do all of the use? |
| [23:54:16] | Como|Lappy: | last thing she needs is a keyboard/mouse for the tv |
| [23:54:37] | Como|Lappy: | i'd eventually like a universal remote for everything |
| [23:55:18] | Como|Lappy: | OH |
| [23:55:34] | Como|Lappy: | is mythtv capable of burning directly to a dvd, if i provide it a burner |
| [23:55:38] | Como|Lappy: | i've always wanted to know |
| [23:56:06] | Como|Lappy: | say, she records some horse races or something |
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| [23:56:14] | Como|Lappy: | could she burn it to dvd from the mtyhtv |
| [23:56:35] | RacerX2oo3: | Como|Lappy: Yes, MythArchive |
| [23:56:36] | defaultro: | do you guys know how to extract a file from an rpm file? |
| [23:56:42] | Como|Lappy: | does it work well? |
| [23:57:01] | fryfrog: | defaultro: i think you can just use tar on it |
| [23:57:10] | fryfrog: | i think an rpm is just a tar or tar.gz or tar.bz |
| [23:57:19] | Como|Lappy: | that means i'd need a burner >_> |
| [23:57:21] | fryfrog: | of course, with other stuff *inside* |
| [23:57:45] | RacerX2oo3: | Como|Lappy: Never used it. |
| [23:57:49] | Como|Lappy: | hmm |
| [23:59:45] | fryfrog: | me either :( |
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