Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, January 11th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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Aurelius:

there are other uses this machine will have, too

[00:00:07]

Milosch:

air check maybe

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Aurelius:

as sono as the PVR-500 comes in, we'll have the cpu cycles to do such

[00:00:24]

crudpuppy:

but, its not creating /dev/video* devices

[00:00:27]

juski:

Aurelius: well, playback of an in-place recording can stop for many reasons. find out with mythfrontend -v playback & try it again

[00:00:47]

Aurelius:

*running that*

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Milosch:

Aurelius: 350 might do better for playback and cpu, of course it only has one tuner

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juski:

it's fine to say "help! it no worky" but without messages & other info we can only shrug at ya ;)

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Aurelius:

Milosch: the 500 has 2 150's right? that's all we really need

[00:01:24]

Milosch:

yes, two tuners, no decoder

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Aurelius:

that's fine, since i'm gonna pump it into mpeg4 hopefully :)

[00:02:02]

Milosch:

crap, who is it that bought the tektronix profiles

[00:02:23]

** juski avoids adding confusion to this mix by neglecting to mention that the chip which turns video into digital on every tv tuner card is called a decoder.. whoops **

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juski:

that was cruel. forget I ever said that ;)

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Milosch:

juski: i guess it's a demodulator and transcoder...

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Aurelius:

hehe

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juski:

Milosch: demodulator is in the tuner module itself... then goes into a 'video decoder' to turn the signal into digital video

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juski:

not to be confused with the PVR350's _MPEG_ decoder

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Milosch:

i get it (ex broadcast engineer)

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juski:

I work in cctv dvr design & manufacture, so I know more about video signals than any mortal should need to

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Hobbiticus:

hmm...the channel scanner doesn't seem to reach the range where most of my HD channels are (i'm trying to pick up cable HD channels, which are in the 200's)

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Aurelius:

hrm, i need to find out also how to just have it record and record, in hour long blocks hehe

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juski:

let's talk IRE levels!

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juski:

;)

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Milosch:

i made my own macrovision encoder once, does that count?

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Milosch:

40 ire, please

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crudpuppy:

http://pastebin.ca/312548 <-- got me a first gen Air2PC/AirStar 2 but its not creating /dev/video* devices

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juski:

Aurelius: pretty easy to do

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crudpuppy:

either that or it is and the just working without it cx88 based card isnt

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juski:

Aurelius: 'dummy' schedule.. folks here use myth for simple cctv so should be easy to get help on that

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Milosch:

rather, -40

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Aurelius:

oh

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Milosch:

7.5 ire baseline on the old tube cameras anyway

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Aurelius:

i bet i know what it is.. it was what i thought before

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Aurelius:

but never looked into :)

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Aurelius:

the recorder isn't writing data fast enough, so the playback is running out of data

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crudpuppy:

juski, oh

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Aurelius:

is there a way to tell the recorder to flush to disk more frequently?

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Milosch:

Aurelius: oops

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juski:

Milosch: at work today I was trying to work out why a telemetry module was messing up sync & chroma bursts.. turned out it puts its data all over the place not just in the vertical blank. retarded

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Aurelius:

15930 mythtv 17 0 271m 59m 17m S 60 6.1 59:29.36 1 mythbackend

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Milosch:

juski: nice

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juski:

crudpuppy: I knew that.. I was only nudging ;)

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juski:

oh crap. I should go to bed soon

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crudpuppy:

thanks

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juski:

but not before compiling mythplugins

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Milosch:

joy

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sandeen:

anybody working on an appletv skin for myth? :D

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AusIV:

jd86, not really

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AusIV:

Are you using multiple partitions for storage?

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jd86:

AusIV, nope

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AusIV:

or multiple backends?

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jd86:

nope, one backend

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sandeen:

kormoc, you here?

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Milosch:

mine is always out of space, too

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AusIV:

then yeah, that does seem a bit odd

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sandeen:

got more details on that error I mentioned last night

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jd86:

AusIV, it always used to be okay

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Milosch:

need to reset autoexpire or somethign

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AusIV:

I think I got something like that when I deleted some files from the filesystem but not properly from mythtv

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AusIV:

Is there anyone here who has a Plextor ConvertX TV402-U?

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Milosch:

AdamKili: any luck?

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juski:

damn I need libcdaudio

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AdamKili:

Milosch: not yet. as far as i can tell, i have to download and install this program from sourceforge first

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** juski starts make **

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Milosch:

what program?

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AdamKili:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/nv-tv-out/

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Milosch:

i don't "think" you need it

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juski:

AdamKili: you only need that with < GF4 cards

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Milosch:

personally, i just snag the driver from nvidia.com, but use that wiki page for configuration of X

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juski:

AusIV: mythcommflag --help will tell you what you need to know to rebuild the seektable for a recording

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AdamKili:

then i don't understand how to do it

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Aurelius:

RingBuf(/store01/1019_20070111001200.nuv): Waited 1.0 seconds for data to become available...

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juski:

Aurelius: do you have DMA enabled on your HDDs?

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Milosch:

AdamKili: you understand that the goal is to have Xorg use the nvidia as its display?

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juski:

AdamKili: get TV out working with binary nvidia drivers on a newish nvidia card?

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juski:

RTFM in the nvidia docs

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juski:

there are countless howtos that cover it too

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juski:

and the mythtv wiki

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Milosch:

man, you do need to get to sleep ;)

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Aurelius:

juski: scsi

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juski:

when I say RTFM I don't mean it in the I'M YELLING AT YOU sense

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juski:

I mean, politely & respectfully that all the info is in the docs :)

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Milosch:

review the fine manual, eh

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** sandeen finds Democracy **

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AdamKili:

how about this: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XorgConfMonitorSectionForTV

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Milosch:

that, too

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juski:

sandeen: Ewrongcountry? ;)

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Milosch:

but, does your nvidia card work at all now?

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Aurelius:

Eoverusedjoke

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Aurelius:

:(

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sandeen:

juski, if I were referring to my country I'd have said "lost" ount "found" :D

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** Aurelius runs **

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juski:

Aurelius: count your blessings. at least I'm not talking 1337-style

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sandeen:

juski, http://www.getdemocracy.com/

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sandeen:

looks like it begs for a myth plugin

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Milosch:

Aurelius: some dude marcus was in here earlier searching for his name

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juski:

sandeen: yeah yeah. illegal file sharing etc etc

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Aurelius:

heh.

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sandeen:

don't think so, in this case?

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sandeen:

just looking at it now

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juski:

sandeen: yup

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sandeen:

juski, yup illegal?

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juski:

it has legal uses sure, but the fact that folks use it for sharing copyrighted material makes it a no-go for myth

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sandeen:

why does myth care

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juski:

myth likes not being sued

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sandeen:

the stream plugin could subscribe to illegal streams too

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** Milosch also likes **

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sandeen:

iptv could also

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sandeen:

plus myth can play back copyrighted material that might be stolen

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sandeen:

in fact begs for it with mythdvd :)

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Milosch:

ok, so the answer is to pile more problems on top of problems

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juski:

there used to be a plugin for stuff like that but it died

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sandeen:

well I understand that sometimes you just can't be the testcase

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juski:

sandeen: yeah but myth doesn't help users obtain the material in the first place

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sandeen:

mythdvd ripping doesn't help?

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sandeen:

just playing devil's advocate here :)

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juski:

it'll get you nowhere anyway

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Milosch:

that depends on the libdvd version, imo

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sandeen:

*shrug* doesn't bother me either way

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Milosch:

so, write it :)

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sandeen:

Milosch, true, if no decss then no^wless copyright violation potential

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juski:

point is it comes up on the lists quite often & gets shouted down every time

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sandeen:

ok, ok, just asking

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Milosch:

smells like mythfm

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sandeen:

stuff like rocketboom, videoblogs is probably the wave of the future

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juski:

it'd be sad to see myth go down the tubes because of some silly plugin & some evil lawyer types is all I'm saying

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juski:

sandeen: oh the 'awesome' web2.0. you can keep it

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Milosch:

all things will be commercialized

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sandeen:

*shrug* apple thinks podcasts are cool. what's wrong with vidcasts?

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juski:

blocky grainy hissy tinny content. yeah I just _love_ all that

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Milosch:

please, can i watch tv on the smallest screen possible?

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sandeen:

juski, sorta like that crappy mosaic thingy they came up with at NCSA, SOOO hard to configure... had to get trumpet winsock and all that

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sandeen:

I'm glad it never went anywhere :)

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Milosch:

that's my goal, hell yeah

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juski:

sandeen: that was like er.. how many years ago though?

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juski:

took ages to find a niche.. then porn came along

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Milosch:

yummy packet drivers

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sandeen:

i'm saying, mocking new things in their infancy isn't always the best plan, sometimees they pan out :)

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juski:

when there's stuff worth watching I'll be all over it

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Milosch:

as long as they remember their myth box and donate money

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sandeen:

wel, ,chicken & egg I suppose, need a good way to watch it too

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Milosch:

no, that one has been solved

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juski:

sandeen: AFAIK folks are chipping away at a youtube thing

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Milosch:

egg

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juski:

I dont check up on youtube very much but I think there might be a couple of 30sec vids worth watching every month or so

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** Scopeuk finally gives up on getting his home wifi working **

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juski:

I definitely don't deny it'd be fantastic if my friends could send me stuff they enjoyed watching & vice-versa.. build up your own 'channel' of the stuff you like & so on...

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sandeen:

similarly i'd like a slimserver aggregator...

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juski:

but there's one big snag in the way of that.. and that's mr copyright

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juski:

Scopeuk: give up on the wet string & use proper cables ;)

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Scopeuk:

juski thats the current solution

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Milosch:

wifi is a toy, unless you mean to bridge an uncableable gap

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juski:

you know why wireless cards don't have proper oss drivers?

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Scopeuk:

becosue they dont wanna release the firmware for the devices

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Scopeuk:

and they removed the eeprom chips that use to hold it

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Scopeuk:

winmodem all over again

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juski:

apparently the frequencies they use have to be strictly controlled due to different countries' legislation, so they have to be hard-coded

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Scopeuk:

juski fair enough

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juski:

that's one version & I find it plausible

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** sandeen notes that appletv has 802.11n **

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Milosch:

yea

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juski:

sandeen: but its driver won't be oss ;)

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Hobbiticus:

does the channel seperator (i.e. ., 0, _) make any difference? or are they just a naming convention?

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AusIV:

I use wireless just fine with my laptop

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Scopeuk:

juski althguh they could sti lrelease a hard coded firmware that locked the frequencies and thenrelease api details

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sandeen:

juski, true

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juski:

Scopeuk: fair point. they could... if we weren't such a minority

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AusIV:

I'd hardly call it a toy

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Scopeuk:

then again the whole cable to the lounge becomes a none issue when i go back to uni

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Scopeuk:

just every one ese withthe other laptop poor little gits

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Scopeuk:

my router jsut sucks ass

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juski:

you know all the in-fighting (distro / browser / DE wars) that goes on in the linux community? if there was less of that maybe linux would be a bigger player

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Scopeuk:

ive never hada conenction out of it that lasted more than a few hours

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Milosch:

juski: yes, and committee design so rocks

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Scopeuk:

juski god no we cant stop that if we did all tahat effor might go into such horrible things as coding and resolving external issues

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Scopeuk:

Milosch dont think he means go unified

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juski:

anarchy is all well & good, but who wins?

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Milosch:

;)

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Scopeuk:

so much as jsut direct the flamewar efforts tomore constructive puposes

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Milosch:

it's human nature, and a corporate structure is designed to kill that in the name of progress

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juski:

cross-project collaboration.. does that happen much?

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Milosch:

it sucks, but it's certainly not exclusively a linux thing

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Milosch:

there's no non-compete in linux, that's why there are so many distros (then again i am currently obsessed with non-competes)

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juski:

see.. it's great til egos get involved ;)

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Scopeuk:

coimpotition in a limited way (eg not 10000*10^n entants) drives us forwards quickly

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Scopeuk:

every one likes to be a winner right?

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juski:

but having seen my little s100 box perform in mythfrontend on that skimpy CPU tonight I really know what slack has going for it

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Scopeuk:

what cpu juski?

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juski:

celery 733

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Scopeuk:

faster than my combined be/fe with framegrabber

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juski:

no way have the plugins finished compiling already!

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Aurelius:

anyone here done a cctv with myth?

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juski:

Aurelius: do you have a program table right now?

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juski:

I mean one with good EPG data in it?

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Scopeuk:

Aurelius http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHome

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juski:

you could study it & work out how to fuddle it

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Aurelius:

juski: yes, it's just 8 hours off lol

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Aurelius:

i'm fixing that now

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juski:

Aurelius: or you could schedule a bunch of 24 59'59" recordings to happen every day

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juski:

you'll need to set up a dummy channel for that though

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juski:

wonder if anybody has wiki'd it

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Aurelius:

i didn't see any

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rsdvd:

juski : I have managed to get the keyboard working now :-)

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juski:

rsdvd: what was it?

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juski:

rsdvd: did you see my comment about the cpu usage?

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rsdvd:

not sure – I have resorted to my USB->ps2 and it works........i just think I was bwing too slow.

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rsdvd:

no – when was that?

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juski:

27.2% during playback of a freeview recording!

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rsdvd:

wow....that is good

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juski:

/dev/hda1 7658988 3844216 3419436 53% /

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juski:

bit much on that disk though

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Aurelius:

i've already sold this company on using this machine

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juski:

need to trim some cruft.. and then some

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Aurelius:

they took a little look at myth

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** nasa wishes there were some firewire experts around :{ **

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Aurelius:

love it

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rsdvd:

juski : have you got a hdd in the S100 then?

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juski:

oh gawd.. invasion of the estate agents!

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Aurelius:

so now i have to make sure we got windows ad auth going in pam, and boom.

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juski:

rsdvd: sort of

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rsdvd:

sort of?

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juski:

rsdvd: got the case open, a dvd drive balanced on the front with the hdd on top, then an atx psu powering the dvd & hdd

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rsdvd:

lol

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juski:

need to build a kernel for it. all the ready made slack ones fuck up the USB when I use a USB disk

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rsdvd:

ok! do you know if the IDE header will support a primary and secondary like normal IDE? can I plug a DVD and HDD without having to solder in the second header?

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juski:

rsdvd: yeah... master/slave style

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rsdvd:

good! I have tried getting it to boot a USB CDROM but it don;t like it

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juski:

rsdvd: you have to go thru a rigmarole in the bios but you can do it quite easy

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juski:

rsdvd: it doesn't auto-detect anything. if the boot device changes or moves/vanishes you need to go into the bios to set it to boot from whatever all over again

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juski:

its shitty but not that much of a pain

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rsdvd:

ok – I remember reading that in your page

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juski:

once I've redone the kernel I'll start farking about with the binary intel drivers again

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rsdvd:

are you intending to build your OS on a usb key then? or are you going to install theat hdd properly?

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Scopeuk:

juski i wish you look

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juski:

rsdvd: usb, as small as possible :)

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Scopeuk:

i know there a bastard

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juski:

Scopeuk: haha. I'm the guy who sat & read their 650 page manual

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rsdvd:

will it run ok from usb? won;t it be too slow ?

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juski:

rsdvd: nah.. no problem

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rsdvd:

you will have to run without a swap though

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juski:

rsdvd: what I've done in the past is have a bootloader on usb or the DoM & NFSroot

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rsdvd:

would you not be better with jsut a boot ffrom usb and then mount the rest via nfs

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juski:

makes no odds honestly

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juski:

it's only used 2MB of swap on this disk

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rsdvd:

ok

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juski:

and that was with compiling going on

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rsdvd:

i thoguth myth would need a lot of swap with only 128mb to play with

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juski:

Mem: 125152k total, 72684k used, 52468k free, 6184k buffers

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juski:

Swap: 1000432k total, 1912k used, 998520k free, 55252k cached

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kgbudz:

anyone here running myth on ps3?

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kgbudz:

mythfrontend

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rsdvd:

Hi Scopeuk_

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juski:

kgbudz: the moment it happens it'll be all over flashbot & dogg

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juski:

you can count on that

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juski:

hey! awesome!

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kgbudz:

what you mean

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juski:

yeah.. awesome!

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juski:

awesome!

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scopeuk:

hi

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kgbudz:

o, ok

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scopeuk:

im sure it has already been done

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juski:

nah

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kgbudz:

its not that hard

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scopeuk:

you can emulate an x86 system at a good pace

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kgbudz:

i already got it up and running

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scopeuk:

they booted xp on one ffs

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kgbudz:

but im running into preformance issues

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juski:

kgbudz: no accelerated video will be the problem I expect

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scopeuk:

then again xp was booted on a psp jsut very slowly

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kgbudz:

what does myth use to playback tv?

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juski:

kgbudz: Xv if possible

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rsdvd:

right – that is enough S100 fro one night! I am off to bed!

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kgbudz:

im tweaking some of my settings now

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juski:

ugh just think of it.. all those ps3 pwners coming on yelling for help... (shudder)

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juski:

good plan rsdvd

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rsdvd:

:-)

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amphibian:

you know I was having buffer issues which caused a low framerate?

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amphibian:

watching live TV didn't work because of that

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amphibian:

well it was sticky

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kgbudz:

ya, thats what im seeing on ps3

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amphibian:

now with a transcoded video it gets the same problem

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kgbudz:

except im not sure of the cause

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amphibian:

<20% mythfrontend, 30% Xorg when playing it, and it's sticky; if I use mythtv <filename> from the command line, it decodes perfectly but uses 60% cpu for Xorg and 20% for mythfrontend

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kgbudz:

other than having no gpu

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amphibian:

any ideas? could this be somehow related to not having Xvideo despite the buffering issues?

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** amphibian tried an nvidia card earlier and didn't manage to get tv-out working, but will try it again... 62% Xorg usage is pretty nasty **

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kgbudz:

is frontend and backend on the same computer?

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linxeh:

does anyone know if the Hauppauge Win-TV Nova-T special edition usb stick works with mythtv ?

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kgbudz:

amphibian, what tuner card you got

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amphibian:

kgbudz: DVB-T card – terratec 1400

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amphibian:

frontend and backend are on the same computer

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amphibian:

as I said, it happens with transcoded video as well as with live TV now

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amphibian:

playing a recording normally works fine – at least if it's an untranscoded MPEG – but watching live TV is sticky, and now it seems watching transcoded recordings too

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amphibian:

63% Xorg usage plus 20% myth usage => lack of Xvideo is a serious issue, it's doing lots of heavy lifting in the X server, correct?

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kgbudz:

not really

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kgbudz:

it may look like that

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kgbudz:

what type of cpu you got

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kgbudz:

speed

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amphibian:

athlon 64 3200+

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kgbudz:

what os and what mythtv version?

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AngryElf_:

what codec does mythdvd use to transcode video?

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amphibian:

mythtv version from debian, september snapshot iirc, will check

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amphibian:

debian etch (mostly, some sid, myth from etch)

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kgbudz:

ya, i dunno

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kgbudz:

something is messing up the video

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amphibian:

on my desktop it works perfectly in mplayer with 6% cpu

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amphibian:

but my desktop does have Xvideo, that might be relevant

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amphibian:

but there's no scaling going on afaics

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linxeh:

does anyone run a frontend on ppc linux ?

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amphibian:

VO: [xv] 720x576 => 720x576 Planar YV12

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amphibian:

so it's not scaling (it's in a window)

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amphibian:

kgbudz: any suggestions?

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amphibian:

i could try getting the nvidia to work again...

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** amphibian will do that **

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kgbudz:

ya, like what are you using

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kgbudz:

instead of nvidia?

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amphibian:

current graphics is ati

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amphibian:

no xvideo, though it has opengl

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kgbudz:

o, ok

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kgbudz:

why cant you get nvidia working?

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amphibian:

oldish card, drivers for it not updated because it's old

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amphibian:

no tv-out on startup

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kgbudz:

well, nvidia has those unified drivers

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amphibian:

and when i start X it doesn't work

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kgbudz:

right

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amphibian:

iirc

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kgbudz:

are you using the svideo out?

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kgbudz:

or the vga?

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amphibian:

composite

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kgbudz:

if its an old card

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amphibian:

well it only has the 7-pin connector

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amphibian:

i plugged an adapter into that to turn it into composite

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kgbudz:

you need to setup your xorg.conf

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kgbudz:

to make it output the tv to the right connection

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amphibian:

high Xorg cpu usage is most likely caused by lack of Xv? or at least it's the logical thing to check next..

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amphibian:

Option "TVOutFormat" "COMPOSITE" ?

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amphibian:

also does nvidia support PAL resolutions?

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** amphibian will try 800x600 initially, but 720x576 really would be best **

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amphibian:

okay, i'll be back

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Aurelius:

has anyone here used mythtv to record continuous blocks of time?

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kormoc:

Aurelius, not really the right tool to do so

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russK:

What's a continuous block of time? Is that like a recording with no end time?

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Aurelius:

kormoc: i like the navigation, and the capabilities of it in general

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Aurelius:

1 hour at a time

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kormoc:

Aurelius, well, you'd have to just fake the 'shows' and set them to record

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russK:

watching live TV is like recording a continuous block of time

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Aurelius:

kormoc: okie

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kormoc:

russK, except it expires

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Agrajag-:

Aurelius: you can just set a manual recording schedule.. but it sort of defeats the whole purpose

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Aurelius:

Agrajag-: purpose of?

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Agrajag-:

of using mythtv

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kslater:

wash just poking around in my mythconverg db and noticed that I have settings for my master backend with the hostname and the fq hostname. Seems like it could cause trouble.

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kslater:

oops /s/wash/was

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Agrajag-:

find out which one your frontend uses (it must have used a different one at some stage) and probably safe to delete all the settings for the hostname it's not using

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DVBMark:

can anyone tell me if the revision of .20 on the mythtv.org site is rev 32? or 31? Trying to get up and running on an xbox, and I am running svn on my be.

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Leebier:

my irblaster seems to be occasionally missing the first digit to be sent to my cable box (note, not the second, which would imply changing the delay in my change_chan.sh), any ideas?

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kormoc:

DVBMark, say what?

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Fooker:

Hey all. I've got mythtv installed, and I have two problems which I think are connected – mythtv is not recording the audio when it records a program, and when I have it set to view TV, regardless of what the mic levels are set at in alsamixer (even if their muted), I get a singe high note coming across. What could I check in regards to this?

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Fooker:

I'm wondering if it couldn't be related to a failing TV tuner? I know the quality of the picture in any program has significantly degraded since I last used the card (it sat for a few months unused)

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AdamKili:

I'm still here trying to figure out how to do tv-out and on this website (http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/NVidiaProprietaryDriver) it says everything I need is in the ReadMe file. WHAT readme file?

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DVBMark:

lmao kormoc, you know how the be and fe have to match software revisions. currently svn is running revision 32, prob not the exact word for it but that is what it is, I was curious if anyone knew if the source on mythtv.org was that revision, or if it was older. figured it would compile easier on the xbox

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AdamKili:

ok nevermind i think i figured it out

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kormoc:

DVBMark, database scheme version is the words you are looking for

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DVBMark:

picky picky lmao ya that

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DVBMark:

I guess heh

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amphibian:

hmmm my tv-out still isn't working... (nvidia), anyone help? maybe should go to #nvidia

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DVBMark:

so do you know if it is scheme 32?

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DVBMark:

I have a prob on trying the MediaMVP's cuz of that as well

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amphibian:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): Option "UseDisplayDevice" requested "TV", but no unused TVs

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amphibian:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): are available.

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amphibian:

any idea?

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amphibian:

if I set Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV", then it does do something; the output to the LCD screen becomes unusable; but it doesn't produce video to the TV... the wiring should be okay because it worked for the ati card (which didn't have xvideo support)

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amphibian:

it's still blank :|

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amphibian:

should i assume the hardware is broken?

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amphibian:

somebody here strung me along, apparently indicating a willingness to help me get TV-out working on the nvidia card

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amphibian:

and then he disappears

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amphibian:

it's most antisocial

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amphibian:

of course #nvidia is empty as it always is

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Leebier:

isn't there a lirc support room?

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** amphibian uses inputlirc **

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amphibian:

and strongly recommends it

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amphibian:

*if* your remote registers itself as an input device

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Fooker:

And now that I've got things setup a bit differently, the audio is very, very tiny and I still get the high pitch hum

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sigger_:

anyone happen to catch Little Mosque on the Prarie?

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amphibian:

anyone able to help me with tv-out on nvidia? #nvidia is deserted

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amphibian:

whatever i do it always produces a blank screen

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amphibian:

it worked with the ati card, but that had no xvideo support and took 60% cpu in Xorg to decode transcoded video

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mendicant:

when you boot up (before X starts) do you see the ordinary BIOS screen?

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amphibian:

and that was playing stuff directly with mythtv <filename>

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mendicant:

(on the TV)

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amphibian:

no

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sigger_:

I prolly can't help you, but which nvidia? I'm looking at getting a mobo with nvidia onboard

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amphibian:

it doesn't show the bootup, it doesn't show the console

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amphibian:

nvidia 5200

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mendicant:

Check your connection – try another svideo out maybe. I had a bad svideo to RCA

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mendicant:

Because you should see the BIOS stuff come up on the TV before Linux loads

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mendicant:

That's when you'll have X trouble

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amphibian:

the svideo to composite convertor worked fine with the ati card

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mendicant:

really? weird

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sigger_:

there another output on the 5200 you can try?

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AngryElf:

what's the difference between 'perfect' and 'iso' recordings in mythDVD?

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amphibian:

one possible explanation is it thinks its svideo or something, so it doesn't produce a composite signal?

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amphibian:

nope

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** amphibian checks 1sec **

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zablalbaz:

amphibian: just a shot in the dark here, but have you tried nvidia's proprietary drivers?

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mendicant:

nah, so long as you have a svideo-to-composite convertor it -should- work

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linxeh:

I had problems with my tv out before

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linxeh:

sure I fixed it though :/

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amphibian:

nope, just the 7pin conenctors

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amphibian:

zablalbaz: yes, that's what i'm trying to use

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linxeh:

google comes back with lots of links

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sigger_:

yeah, I had to set tv out (vs VGA) once in BOIS

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amphibian:

because people here said nvidia was better

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amphibian:

sigger_: hmm, i'll have a look at that

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amphibian:

in the main BIOS?

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linxeh:

Option "TVStandard" "PAL-G"

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linxeh:

Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV"

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linxeh:

etc

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BULLE:

amphibian: svidio signal trough a composite adapter should still produce a picture, but black and white and distorted

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BULLE:

amphibian: atleast for PAL that is the case

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amphibian:

yeah i know

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mendicant:

he should at least be getting his boot screen, which is odd.

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amphibian:

it's a 7-pin adapter, not a s-video adapter

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amphibian:

sigger_: there's an option for video out in the main bios? really?

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amphibian:

linxeh: yeah, got them

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linxeh:

k

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kslater:

I have an HD 720p recording and want to downscale it so the resolution's 480p. What tool would I use?

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linxeh:

I'm in the UK and use PAL-I though

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BULLE:

kslater: mencoder, ffmpeg ?

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amphibian:

linxeh: interestingly enough, with UseDisplayDevice but not ConnectedMonitor, it tells me there are no free TV's

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amphibian:

linxeh: me too

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BULLE:

kslater: or just use the transcode feature of mythtv

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linxeh:

its been some time since I have used it connected to a TV :o

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kslater:

tried the transcode feature, but I didn't see any options for that (downscaling)

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BULLE:

kslater: you define the resolution in the transcode profile

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BULLE:

if i remember correctly

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amphibian:

transcode... "watch tv" gets a jerky picture (with the ati card), playing back a transcoded recording also gets a jerky picture (80% cpu, 60% being Xorg)

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kslater:

I guess I need to look for more info on that

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amphibian:

well playing it on the command line it works with 80% cpu

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amphibian:

playing it from myth it's a bit less but jerky

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amphibian:

hence my wanting to try the nvidia card: working xvideo may help?

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amphibian:

how likely is a hardware problem with tv-out on the card itself?

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** amphibian will just recheck the wiring.. **

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mendicant:

it sounds like it, honestly.

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mendicant:

hardware, that is.

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mendicant:

no boot screen and all.

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kslater:

BULLE: transcode number from the db I guess/

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kslater:

doh

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kslater:

profile number from the DB?

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linxeh:

amphibian: i know its probably not an option, but have you tried installing windows and installing the nvidia drivers, just to see if tv out works there

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amphibian:

mendicant: then why did it work on the ati card? that leaves me concluding that it's a problem with the card itself rather than the wiring...?

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BULLE:

amphibian: this adapter, did it come with the ati card ?

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wega_:

ok so there is no place to ask this question so i am asking it here... I am trying to configure my remote with lirc's irrecord but it cannot capture anything. I think the main problem is that my serial port is plugged into a PCI slot. Anyone know what to do?

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BULLE:

wega_: what buss your serial port is on, wont matter, as long as linux can see and use the serial port properly

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amphibian:

BULLE: not that i know of

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BULLE:

wega_: so just connect a darn serial mouse or something, and check out that the port works ok

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BULLE:

wega_: for what its worth, i have never gotten irrecord to work either, i just resorted to searching the net for an already existing lircd conf file

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wega_:

bulle: i have nothing that works serially

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BULLE:

wega_: then i dont know what to do, as you cant know for sure the port works

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wega_:

except this damn ir reciever

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kgbudz:

any reason for audio not to work?

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kgbudz:

its working

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mendicant:

i'm having some audio woes as well :/

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mendicant:

ha, really?

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sandeen:

yeah

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** amphibian will try some different convertors **

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sandeen:

"# Democracy is developed by the Participatory Culture Foundation, a 501c3 non-profit organization."

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amphibian:

YAY!

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amphibian:

it works

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amphibian:

!

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mendicant:

glad to hear it, amph. loose connection?

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amphibian:

now i just have a blue bar on the left of the playback/watch live tv window

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amphibian:

no, wrong converter

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mendicant:

bad converter?

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mendicant:

<nods>

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mendicant:

Good stuff

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amphibian:

i don't think it was *wrong*

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amphibian:

but it was *wrong for that card*

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mendicant:

Ah, ha.

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amphibian:

now live tv works fine

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mendicant:

Good stuff man

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amphibian:

as well as playback of encoded vids

[02:41:21]

amphibian:

but i have a blue bar on the far left

[02:41:28]

amphibian:

i wonder if this is caused by icewm or something?

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amphibian:

it doesn't show when in the main myth frontend window

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mendicant:

maybe. try running MythTV on some different WMs and see what happens.

[02:41:58]

mendicant:

I use Xfce

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amphibian:

BorderSizeY=3 # 0–128

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amphibian:

aha

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amphibian:

doesn't use much cpu either... 7–10%

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Zider:

I use fluxbox

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kgbudz:

switching to nvidia?

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Zider:

they should, yes

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amphibian:

hmmm

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amphibian:

even without a window manager running i still get a blue border on the left of the screen

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amphibian:

but only when playing video or watching live TV, *not* in the menu screens

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amphibian:

any ideas?

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Agrajag-:

yeah

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Agrajag-:

try this xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 66048

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amphibian:

what does that do?

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Agrajag-:

changes the blue to black

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amphibian:

why is there a border at all? doesn't the waste of pixels cause unnecessary scaling and loss of quality?

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amphibian:

it doesn't have a border on the right, or the top/bottom

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amphibian:

not a blue one anyway

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amphibian:

hmmm xvattr doesn't exist

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amphibian:

and it doesn't seem to be in any package in debian testing either

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Agrajag-:

yeah it is – xvattr

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amphibian:

huh?

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Agrajag-:

apt-get install xvattr

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amphibian:

DOH

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DVBMark:

anyone familiar with distcc?

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mendicant:

is it bad if i can only run xawtv with the -nodga option?

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sandeen:

DVBMark, i've used it but I don't suppose it's on-topic :)

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DVBMark:

was just curious if it was possible to use it across diff platforms, all my servers are i686 or amd64, and I am trying to compile on an xbox, which is i386.

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DVBMark:

it freaks as is, didn't know if there was a command line argument to pass if it would work

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Inssomniak:

what mysql version is recommended for myth?

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AusIV:

I'd say 5

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AusIV:

4 has some issues

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sandeen:

DVBMark, you need the same compiler on all boxes

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sandeen:

grrr every time I exit the onscreen program guide my whole box goes down and I can't capture the error... must be an oops

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** sandeen blames nvidia **

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Inssomniak:

X error bad mismatch?

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sandeen:

me? no idea. whole box goes down

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Inssomniak:

oh.

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sandeen:

need to get kdump going, or a serial console

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** sandeen tries it w/o xvmc **

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sandeen:

well that works

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sandeen:

has anyone noticed a line or two of pixels at the top or bottom of an HDTV picture that aren't... right?

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amphibian:

hmmm

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amphibian:

takes some maintenance... myth seems to forget the queue of stuff to transcode when it exits

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amphibian:

so i have to go through and tell it to transcode stuff :|

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mendicant:

i'm having a heck of a time getting sound capture working. anyone have a decent link? all the google stuff I've found hasn't helped a whole lot.

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wega_:

anyone know a place i can put a script to run after desktop comes up? i want to launch mythtvfrontend automatically

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wega_:

i am running fc6

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GreyFoxx:

most every window manager/desktop environment has some auto startup stuff, you need to find the one that matches your specific wm

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sandeen:

it may be worth simplifying things to not even run a desktop if it's a dedicated box

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GreyFoxx:

You should always run a minimal wm, save yourself potential hassle

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GreyFoxx:

not some hog like KDE or gnome, but something small

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tankerjoe20:

maybe ICEWM?

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GreyFoxx:

Personally I prefer and use IceWM

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mendicant:

Xfce? :)

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sigger_:

amphibian: you got your screen working? what'd you do?

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GreyFoxx:

xfce would be fine

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amphibian:

sigger_: different 7-pin-to-composite convertor

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amphibian:

actually a 4-pin-to-composite convertor

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amphibian:

it seems different cards need different convertor

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sigger_:

ah, cool then

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amphibian:

what's even better is that *everything* works no

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sigger_:

groovy

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amphibian:

no laggy/sticky live tv, no laggy/sticky playback of transcoded files, and even the dvd menu's work!

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amphibian:

hmmm

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amphibian:

if i just delete a .mpg, will that mess things up?

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amphibian:

i'm not sure it even shows up in Watch Recordings

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tankerjoe20:

hmmm... is there a way to listen to a music playlist while watching a slideshow in image gallery?

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kgbudz:

alright, im have 1 last problem

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kgbudz:

like i run mythfrontend on my hdtv, when i playback tv, its stretching it

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kgbudz:

i wonder if hitting W fixes it...

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sandeen:

GreyFoxx, did you say you did a ken burns thing for the image gallery? I don't see it in there anywhere....

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tha_toadman:

question for anyone...what the hell is 'qmake' ??

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sigger_:

tha_toadman: make program for QT I believe

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tha_toadman:

is that a dev package then?

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sandeen:

itg's in qt-devel on my box

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tha_toadman:

ok – so if i go fetch 'qt-devel' i should be good?

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tha_toadman:

or would just QT have everything i need?

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sigger_:

sorry, dunno. never used it. google.

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crudpuppy:

can anyone tell me if the air2pc first gen card a dvb atsc card can pick up regular cables signals with its tuner?

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GreyFoxx:

sandeen: No, I didn't write it. I just commited the patch. http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/7536

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tha_toadman:

ok thanks

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GreyFoxx:

IT's a GL Zoom+Blend ken burns like effect

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sandeen:

GreyFoxx, thanks, i'll look

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sandeen:

so that's one of the transition options...?

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** sandeen looks **

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GreyFoxx:

1.5 years ago hehe

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't looked at it since :)

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sandeen:

photo tricks in appletv box look cool :)

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sandeen:

oh zoomblend

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** sandeen tries that **

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** sandeen wonders why only about 2/3 of the keypresses on his pvr150 remote seem to work **

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sandeen:

GreyFoxx, ok, well, that's sorta what I was after :)

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sandeen:

might be enough example to write what I want even :)

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kgbudz:

any reason it would take like a few minutes for myth to start up

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sandeen:

from poweron? :)

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kgbudz:

no, executing mythfrontend to having it be functional

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hads:

Caching icons etc?

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kgbudz:

dunno

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kgbudz:

i have a few other problems

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kgbudz:

like im puting mythtv on my hdtv

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kgbudz:

and it plays my tv stretched

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kgbudz:

its not doing proper 4:3 with bars on the side...

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sandeen:

i'd like to put together a readahead list for myhth...

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sandeen:

might help

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sandeen:

are there diffrerent overscan settings for the GUI vs. the video playback?

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alex1:

Hello i have a question

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alex1:

Where does my computer plug into to get the TV Feed?

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sandeen:

into the coaxial cable! :)

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sandeen:

you need a tv tuner card

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alex1:

does it plug into to the cable? or the Box my cable comp gave me

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sandeen:

oh, if you have a cable box, then you need a firewire connetion out of the box

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alex1:

and if i don't im screwed right?

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alex1:

ill check, wait :)

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sandeen:

supposedly in the US you can demand one

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sandeen:

i don't have this setup...

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hads:

Yeah isn't it an FCC requirement in the US?

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sandeen:

that's what I hear

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hads:

Quite interesting, I bet there's no way that will happen here.

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sandeen:

where is "here?"

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kgbudz:

ok, i found the real problem, when i playback my 4:3 recordings on my hdtv, its not scaling down the 4:3, so the bottom 1/3 of the playback is cut off

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sandeen:

too many places to scale video IMHO

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kgbudz:

i cant find a single one which works

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kgbudz:

i should set 16:9 aspect in myth?

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sandeen:

i'd start with telling myth & your tv to both do no scaling and see what you get

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kgbudz:

i get the bottom 3rd of the tv cut off

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sandeen:

well that's odd :)

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mendicant:

So if I pause live tv and the sound keeps on going, is it safe to say I'm not recording sound, just listening live?

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kgbudz:

the theme lag is also killing me, it takes like several minutes to get the first menu to display

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kgbudz:

mendicant, yes

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mendicant:

crazy. well. i have to pull some sound cards out and what-not. reboot time. laters.

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sandeen:

holy smokes "updating music database" has done about a gig of network traffic so far....

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alex1:

i checked on my BOX

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alex1:

i don't have a firewire

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alex1:

it says "bypass"

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alex1:

and i have a USB in the front, but it's for a keyboard.

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kgbudz:

something is definately wrong with my themes

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kgbudz:

everytime it loads, it takes longer and longer

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sandeen:

alex1, supposedly you can demand one :)

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alex1:

i live in Canada, using videotron.

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sandeen:

ohhh

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alex1:

is there a place where i can find a "does mythtv work with [insert provider here]

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sandeen:

alex1, do you have digital cable, or hd?

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sandeen:

or standard run of the mill analog cable?

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alex1:

I have both

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alex1:

i have a hd one in another room though

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sandeen:

FWIW I have "basic cable" which is the -cheap- plan... I get a handful of mostly local network channels on analog, and other stuff

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alex1:

on the box i have a output for the cable

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sandeen:

but i also get several digital channels "in the clear" that I can tune in w/ a digital tuner

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sandeen:

the encrypted digital channels are the things you can't get working directly on a PC as far as I know

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sandeen:

crud scanning music seems stuck at 88%

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** sandeen waits **

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kgbudz:

ya, i am truely purplexed

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kgbudz:

i cannot get mythtv to display verticle bars on my 4:3 tv

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kgbudz:

recordings

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wega_:

none of the recording i have selected in mythweb are showing up in the scheduled recordings.... why?

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wega_:

hello??

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Captain_Murdoch:

viewing the wrong Recording Group? or maybe they didn't record. you could look at the backend logs to see if it says they recorded and at the Previously Recorded page in mythfrontend also.

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AusIV:

hmmm

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Captain_Murdoch:

kgbudz: why would you want vertical bars on a 4:3 TV? If the content is 4:3 there should be no bars. if the content is 16:9 or any other widescreen ratio, the bars should be horizontal.

[04:58:21]

wega_:

Captain_Murdoch: do i have to set up recording groups?

[04:58:51]

Captain_Murdoch:

wega_: no, but your recordings are probably going into the Default group, make sure you're viewing that by using the MENU key and selecting "change recording group"

[04:59:21]

kgbudz:

Captain_Murdoch, my tv is a 16:9 hdtv, my recordings are plain 4:3

[04:59:30]

Captain_Murdoch:

kgbudz: if you're on a 16:9 TV with 4:3 recordings, then you need to make sure your DisplaySize is set correctly. this might not work for newer NVidia cards I believe. look in the HOWTO for information.

[04:59:41]

Captain_Murdoch:

(was typing that before I saw your answer). :)

[04:59:58]

kgbudz:

im unfamiliar with display size

[05:00:00]

Captain_Murdoch:

newer nvidia drivers/cards.

[05:00:10]

kgbudz:

im not using nvidia

[05:00:12]

Captain_Murdoch:

it's documented in the HOWTO I believe. it's a setting in your Xorg config file.

[05:00:26]

kgbudz:

so i need to make my desktop 4:3?

[05:00:59]

wega_:

Captain_Murdoch: i am not looking for something that has been recorded. i am only checking to see if the recording is scheduled. none of the ones i have set to record are showing up and when i go to the show i just told it to record i get : MythTV Status: (Never Record)

[05:01:10]

Captain_Murdoch:

no, you just need to tell X the physical aspect ratio of your screen. Myth queries that information and can then tell that your screen is 16:9 and then it can scale playback appropriately.

[05:01:33]

kgbudz:

o nice

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kgbudz:

this is going to be interesting

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Captain_Murdoch:

wega_: not sure then, does MythWeb still show them as setup to record? maybe it didn't save

[05:02:07]

wega_:

under recording schedules it shows what i put in

[05:02:21]

wega_:

but nothing under upcoming recordings

[05:02:35]

Captain_Murdoch:

kgbudz: google for "mythtv displaysize" and you'll get lots of hits.

[05:03:33]

Captain_Murdoch:

if you go into the scheduled recordings editor in mythfrontend, you can view the list of upcoming recordings that match your scheduled recording.

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wega_:

Captain Murdoch: that doesnt change things

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wega_:

still no upcoming recordings

[05:06:34]

Captain_Murdoch:

try adding new schedules via mythfrontend

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wega_:

i did

[05:06:56]

wega_:

still no

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wega_:

i think it is something silly that i am missing

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kgbudz:

Captain_Murdoch, thanks dude

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kgbudz:

DisplaySize is exactly what i was looking for

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wega_:

even doing manual schedule doesnt work

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Captain_Murdoch:

kgbudz: yw, I just went though the same config a while back when I bought a 1024x768 16:9 plasma.

[05:10:19]

kgbudz:

is that 720p?

[05:10:22]

Captain_Murdoch:

wega_: sounds like it. not sure what's going on and I have to head out.

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wega_:

ok well thanks anyway

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Captain_Murdoch:

kgbudz: no, 720p is wider, but a lot of lower-end plasmas are only 1024 wide.

[05:10:49]

tankerjoe20:

ok.. I see "Select audio track to play during slideshow" is in the feature wishlist for mythgallery hmmm maybe I'll take a stab at it... althought its been a while since codeing in C/C++ ... It's like riding a bike though right? ;-)

[05:10:52]

kgbudz:

yup

[05:12:24]

Captain_Murdoch:

kgbudz: now I need a frontend capable of playing HD, but for now the transcoded HD programs still look very nice scaled back up. :)

[05:12:43]

Captain_Murdoch:

anyway, I'm outta here...

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kgbudz:

cya, thanks

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defaultro:

hi folks

[05:18:59]

defaultro:

is there any issue on opengl within mythv in playback?

[05:19:11]

Dr_willis:

not that ive heard of...

[05:19:12]

defaultro:

sometimes it just slows down

[05:19:15]

defaultro:

ok

[05:19:28]

Dr_willis:

what tv out/video card ya using?

[05:19:43]

defaultro:

nvidia 6600GT

[05:20:04]

Dr_willis:

I got a 6800 and a 5500 nvidia cards.. no issues that i can see.

[05:20:13]

defaultro:

i unchecked it so playback is smooth again

[05:20:27]

defaultro:

actually, it's also smooth but intermittently, it will pause for 1 second

[05:20:33]

defaultro:

with interval of 5 seconds

[05:20:47]

defaultro:

then it will go away for 5 minutes

[05:21:09]

Dr_willis:

odd. sounds almost like somthing accessing the drive.

[05:21:17]

defaultro:

something like that

[05:21:28]

defaultro:

but when I unchecked it, and same recording, everything smooth

[05:21:33]

defaultro:

no issue on playback anymore

[05:21:45]

defaultro:

it's just lately that I want to try opengl

[05:21:53]

defaultro:

i never used is for the span of 2 years

[05:22:05]

defaultro:

it's just today that i got a nice FPS in glxgears :)

[05:22:50]

defaultro:

my FPS in glxgears since Jan 2005 upto 9PM this evening was 59 FPS

[05:23:12]

defaultro:

I found out that I added a VBLANK in /etc/profile

[05:23:15]

defaultro:

:)

[05:23:43]

defaultro:

when I removed it, FPS jumped to 3100 FPS and the gear that was circling was running so fast

[05:24:01]

defaultro:

so, I thought of giving mythfrontend a try :)

[05:27:35]

kgbudz:

defaultro, what setting are you talking about

[05:35:37]

defaultro:

playback

[05:35:51]

defaultro:

same screen as the deinterlace

[05:36:33]

defaultro:

just underneath the decoder options -> Standard, Libmpeg, StandardXvMC

[05:47:58]

sandeen:

the "enable opengl vertical sync" is that what you're talking about...

[05:51:44]

kgbudz:

my video playback is horrible..

[05:58:08]

defaultro:

yes sandeen

[05:58:23]

defaultro:

i would just like to see how it performs

[06:01:09]

defaultro:

different topic, I tried StandardXvMC in playback and it has totally improved compared to last time I tried it

[06:01:43]

defaultro:

the tearing is almost gone but very minimal. I see it 3 inch below from the top of the image

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DVBMark:

so what did you change to get the gear to start hauling butt? mine is real slow and when I try opengl it works but the vid just stutters

[06:27:06]

defaultro:

make sure vblank is not checked in nvidia-settings

[06:27:48]

DVBMark:

mind posting your nvidia-settings-rc? so I can compare

[06:28:26]

DVBMark:

I have like 3 vblank settings

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defaultro:

oh, i just rebooted

[06:29:44]

defaultro:

something is weird in my setup

[06:29:48]

defaultro:

when I reboot, all my nvidia-settings are goine

[06:29:50]

defaultro:

gone

[06:29:57]

DVBMark:

lovely.

[06:30:08]

defaultro:

once it comes back up, I will pull the file

[06:30:24]

defaultro:

1 min wait

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DVBMark:

there is a synctovblank and then a xvideotexturesynctovblank and xvideoblittersynctovblank

[06:30:26]

DVBMark:

np

[06:30:29]

DVBMark:

appreciate it

[06:30:40]

DVBMark:

would like to try opengl but just hasn't worked but till my gears move doubt it will heh

[06:30:47]

DVBMark:

also your xorg.conf

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defaultro:

I was wrong, it did save the settings :)

[06:32:43]

defaultro:

let me paste it

[06:34:08]

defaultro:

http://pastebin.ca/312809

[06:35:44]

Dagmar:

Dude, did you not read the readme that came with the driver?

[06:35:51]

Dagmar:

No wait, of course you didn't. No one ever fucking does.

[06:36:07]

Dagmar:

The reason your settings aren't saved between restarts of X is because they're not supposed to be

[06:36:28]

Dagmar:

You're supposed to *load* them with `nvidia-settings -l` (I think) as the first thing in your xinitrc

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defaultro:

oh, that was for me :)

[06:36:59]

Dagmar:

Yes.

[06:37:12]

defaultro:

:)

[06:37:15]

Dagmar:

I'm not kidding about "no one ever reads it" so it's not like you're any worse than anyone else there

[06:37:26]

defaultro:

hehehe

[06:37:49]

Dagmar:

Just make the first line in your ~/.xinitrc for the uid that starts X be the nvidia-settings -l invocation and all will be well

[06:37:51]

DVBMark:

lol

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DVBMark:

mind posting your xorg.conf as well defaultro, I didn't know bout the nvidia-settings -l either heh

[06:38:44]

defaultro:

yep, doing it now. Thanks Dagmar

[06:38:45]

Dagmar:

If you have a notebook or other machine in your house, and have skills enough to know how to connect to an existing X display you can actually invoke nvidia-settings from the command line to change those settings on the fly

[06:38:56]

defaultro:

yes

[06:39:12]

Dagmar:

I'm referring to being able to do it while MythTV is running

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DVBMark:

DISPLAY=:0.0 do it all the time, how I am running glxgears heh it does seem smoother now but can't say it is hauling like it does on like my 7800 heh

[06:39:22]

Dagmar:

...which I found somewhat handy for getting my overscan settings correct

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defaultro:

-c is the magic

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but there's a session authentication token that most people overlook

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defaultro:

oh

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Dagmar:

Usually I just steal it from the environment of the actual X session. :)

[06:40:21]

defaultro:

cool

[06:40:26]

defaultro:

i hacked my hdtv's overscan

[06:40:35]

defaultro:

i had to go inside service menu

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Dagmar:

If your system ever kinda tells you to bugger off when you try to attach to a display from a different session, look in /proc/$pid_of_x/environment

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defaultro:

that's nice

[06:42:02]

defaultro:

just play around with this, http://pastebin.ca/312818, I've got tons of working xorg

[06:42:17]

defaultro:

that's for DVBMark

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DVBMark:

thanks

[06:42:28]

defaultro:

your setting will differnt than mine

[06:42:31]

defaultro:

what is your tv?

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Dagmar:

You have a widescreen TV. I'm kinda jealous.

[06:44:59]

Dagmar:

Man did you see that projector on woot earlier this week?

[06:45:00]

defaultro:

:)

[06:45:08]

defaultro:

show it to me

[06:45:09]

defaultro:

link

[06:45:24]

defaultro:

i'm still thinking of buying the old technology projector, CRT

[06:45:32]

defaultro:

but i still want to see what you're telling

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kgbudz:

defaultro, you run your myth on hdtv 16:9?

[06:45:53]

defaultro:

;)

[06:45:58]

defaultro:

yep

[06:46:12]

defaultro:

for 2 years now

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kgbudz:

are your recordings 16:9 or 4:3

[06:46:15]

defaultro:

both

[06:46:30]

kgbudz:

when you watch 4:3, how do you do it?

[06:46:31]

defaultro:

i'm recording HD

[06:46:36]

kgbudz:

do you get verticle bars?

[06:46:38]

defaultro:

myth does it automatically for us

[06:46:38]

kgbudz:

stretch?

[06:46:44]

defaultro:

bars

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defaultro:

i don't like stretch

[06:46:53]

kgbudz:

i cant get it to work on mine

[06:46:57]

kgbudz:

the verticle bars...

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defaultro:

with bars, people are normal

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defaultro:

why?

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kgbudz:

dunno

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kgbudz:

i dont even know how to set it up

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defaultro:

maybe, your aspect ratio is force or set to on

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defaultro:

mine is off

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kgbudz:

mine is off

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defaultro:

it's in playback

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defaultro:

oh

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Dagmar:

I'd look at whteher or not you've actually got X in a widescreen mode

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defaultro:

are you sure it's 4:3

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kgbudz:

ya

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kgbudz:

i got X is 1280x720

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defaultro:

yep, that's 16:9

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kgbudz:

i had to tweak the mythtv because of overscan

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kgbudz:

but only like 20px

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defaultro:

that's fine

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defaultro:

what if you press menu, and select aspect ratio

[06:48:39]

defaultro:

have you tried the choices

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Dagmar:

defaultro: http://www.woot.com/Forums/ViewPost.aspx?PostID=921669

[06:48:48]

defaultro:

cool, looking

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kgbudz:

ya, like 16:9, 4:3, full?

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Dagmar:

They were selling the thing for $300

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Dagmar:

All gone before 5am. VERY annoying

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kgbudz:

they all look the same

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kgbudz:

its all full screen

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defaultro:

how much is it?

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defaultro:

it's the first time i've seen woot

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Dagmar:

defaultro: Rather often what they've got isn't anything great, but occasionally I find myself lunging for my credit card

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Dagmar:

Heh

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defaultro:

:)

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DVBMark:

defaultro you using xvmc as well or just opengl-vsync? what deinterlacer and such?

[06:50:10]

defaultro:

don't buy it, it's only 480p

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DVBMark:

I get Timed out waiting for free video buffers

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defaultro:

DVBMark, i don't use them

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Dagmar:

defaultro: For one, I can't buy it. They sold out in five hours flat several days ago. For the other, it was only $300

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DVBMark:

deinterlacers?

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defaultro:

i use Standard decoding and it's outstanding

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defaultro:

magnificent

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defaultro:

i use linear

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DVBMark:

what bout ok standrad instead of libmpeg2

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Dagmar:

For $300, with that contrast ratio and so forth, that was a *nice* deal

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defaultro:

libmpeg2 is fast

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defaultro:

i love it

[06:51:08]

defaultro:

but i hate the square when forwarding

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defaultro:

and it ruins the thumbnail in mythweb

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defaultro:

that's the only 2

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defaultro:

but awesome

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kgbudz:

my playback sucks

[06:51:42]

kgbudz:

dropped frames

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Dagmar:

Most of the ones in the range of $300 are about as bright as a 60W bulb

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kgbudz:

crap quality

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DVBMark:

arggh why the fook can't I make this work heh

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defaultro:

oh

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DVBMark:

still Timed out waiting for free buffers

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defaultro:

Dagmar, save more and get an Optoma

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Dagmar:

kgbudz: What CPU and video card?

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defaultro:

I have seen one and it's awesome

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kgbudz:

ps3

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DVBMark:

AMD 3500+ NVIDIA 5750

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Dagmar:

defaultro: I'd rather not spend that much money

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defaultro:

ps3 sucks

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kgbudz:

why?

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defaultro:

because it's not for gaming

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Dagmar:

WTF

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kgbudz:

no?

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defaultro:

it;s more of entertainment

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Dagmar:

You're trying to run MythTV on a PS3?

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kgbudz:

i already got it running

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mchou:

PS3 is not for gaming?

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defaultro:

i'd rather buy my kids WII

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kgbudz:

then do it

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Dagmar:

mchou: Apparently it's just for internet porn or something

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kgbudz:

wii is for kids

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defaultro:

it is but too much for games

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mchou:

defaultro: lol, and end up with a broken TV?

[06:53:25]

Dagmar:

I do agree there

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defaultro:

hehehe

[06:53:41]

Dagmar:

$600 is a bit much for a machine that only has like 2–3 games that I'd play

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DVBMark:

defaultro was running latest drivers but dropped down to 9631 last night and still can't get this going, I should be able to with that card correct?

[06:53:46]

defaultro:

nice to see you mchou

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mchou:

defaultro: hi too!

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kgbudz:

games will come

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defaultro:

it's not with the card DVB

[06:54:07]

defaultro:

it's with your monitor

[06:54:12]

defaultro:

you have to know what it is

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Dagmar:

In the meantime, the Wii has a serious flying start out of the gate over the PS3

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defaultro:

is it a CRT, LCD, DLP

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DVBMark:

talking to me?

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mchou:

for $600 I can but 2 iTVs

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defaultro:

yes to you

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kgbudz:

wii games arent that much better

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mchou:

s/but/buy

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DVBMark:

running VGA to a PJ

[06:54:52]

defaultro:

what type of pj?

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Dagmar:

kgbudz: But they're at least available, and increasing in number pretty quickly

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DVBMark:

Sharp XR-10X

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kgbudz:

thats a good deal

[06:55:36]

mchou:

lol

[06:55:46]

Dagmar:

Not right now it's not

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kgbudz:

why not?

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mchou:

that's hardly a "good deal"

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defaultro:

but when i saw the ps3 in action, oh ok, nice graphics, and then

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Dagmar:

Give it 9–10 months and it'll be a winner

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kgbudz:

i mean, its worth it for the bluray alone

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DVBMark:

I'm a 360 person myself, and I hate Microsoft heh

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DVBMark:

DLP yes defaultro

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DVBMark:

1024x768

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Dagmar:

defaultro: Yep

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DVBMark:

that I don't know sorry

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defaultro:

DVB, are you sure about that resolution?

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defaultro:

that's a regular VGA

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DVBMark:

umm sure on the res but not sure on DLP

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defaultro:

maybe, it also supports 1280x720

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defaultro:

when did you buy it?

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DVBMark:

got it a year ago

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

why don't you do this

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Dagmar:

You will have to play games with DisplaySize if you want X to actually think that's a widescreen display then

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DVBMark:

listening very very carefully

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DVBMark:

heh

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defaultro:

connect a windows xp to the projector and run moninfo

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defaultro:

that way, it will give us modelines that you can play around with

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Dagmar:

PowerStrip

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DVBMark:

I am using modelines but you are guessing they are wrong and causing opengl not to work?

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

opengl

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DVBMark:

lmao

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defaultro:

i thought your X was not running

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Dagmar:

OpenGL not working is usually only a very small number of things

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DVBMark:

what u think I was referring to heh

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defaultro:

BOINK

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DVBMark:

lol I am sorry heh

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Dagmar:

Where's yer xorg.conf?

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DVBMark:

the whole discussion earlier was about opengl lol

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DVBMark:

1 sec will post

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defaultro:

i remember now

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defaultro:

do this to me please

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defaultro:

env |grep __

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defaultro:

or set |grep __

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defaultro:

I'm hoping that it will not show this, __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=1

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defaultro:

that was the culprit in my environment

[07:01:55]

Dagmar:

Ah the Black Screen Of Annoyance

[07:02:08]

DVBMark:

nope returns nothing

[07:02:08]

defaultro:

after unsetting that, from 59FPS to 5900FPS

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

good

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DVBMark:

http://pastebin.ca/312826

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defaultro:

now, run nvidia-settings and check if VBLANK in open is checked

[07:02:34]

Dagmar:

defaultro: Well, yes, it's going to be ~60fps when you set that. Guess why

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DVBMark:

mind you there are lots of comments in there for stuff I have tried heh

[07:02:50]

Dagmar:

...and it doesn't mean the video card is running slowly, either.

[07:02:52]

defaultro:

type tis too

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defaultro:

glxinfo|grep direct

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defaultro:

Dagmar, oh

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DVBMark:

direct rendering=yes

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defaultro:

but I did notice a huge amount of difference in the gear circling

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defaultro:

hmmm

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Dagmar:

defaultro: That setting means it won't refresh the screen in between frames, and you have your output to 60Hz, hinthinthint

[07:04:02]

Dagmar:

It avoid tearing. it's actually a good thing

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defaultro:

ah

[07:04:18]

Dagmar:

With the *latest* nVidia driver you can reduce the CPU load for that option with UseEvents

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defaultro:

that's cool

[07:04:40]

Dagmar:

My boss got a 10% CPU load drop at 1080i with it

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defaultro:

that's why I was wondering why I was getting 68% now on 1080i

[07:05:13]

defaultro:

but previously, I was always around 45

[07:05:38]

Dagmar:

Yeah, previous to that, the nvidia driver was apparently using a spinlock or similiar silliness to wait for vblank

[07:05:38]

DVBMark:

sync to vblank is off double checked

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defaultro:

i'm thinkg DVB

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DVBMark:

I am running DVB cards if that is what u mean, that affect the opengl biz?

[07:06:28]

defaultro:

cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep GL

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defaultro:

lol

[07:06:38]

defaultro:

it's your nick

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defaultro:

hahahaha

[07:07:01]

DVBMark:

lmao I get it heh

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DVBMark:

headache bear with me heh sorry

[07:07:13]

defaultro:

what lmao?

[07:07:19]

DVBMark:

(II) Loading extension GLX

[07:07:19]

DVBMark:

(II) Loading extension NV-GLX

[07:07:19]

DVBMark:

(II) Initializing extension GLX

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DVBMark:

I have a headache I am a little slow tonight lol

[07:07:52]

defaultro:

what is really the issue on your opengl? Being slow?

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DVBMark:

well if I just check opengl-vsync in myth and no deinterlacer and standard or libmpeg2 decoding, I get nothing but timeouts in the frontend. If I do xvmc with opengl, it was showing video just stuttering all over the place, don't have xvmc loaded at moment

[07:09:22]

defaultro:

hmmm

[07:09:31]

defaultro:

what if you use Standard first

[07:09:38]

defaultro:

don't use xvmc or opengl

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DVBMark:

just trying to use opengl cuz I hear the pic is much better and to fix some tearing, and such

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defaultro:

i don't use opengl and no tearing

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DVBMark:

standard, no deint and no vblanc checked

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defaultro:

linear

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defaultro:

we almost have similar system but don't know why you are experiencing those

[07:10:47]

defaultro:

your cpu is stronger than mine

[07:10:54]

defaultro:

mine is only 3000+

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DVBMark:

running 64bit?

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defaultro:

nope

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defaultro:

32

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defaultro:

you 64?

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DVBMark:

maybe something is not compatible with 64 cuz I am running 64 ya

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defaultro:

hmmm

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Dagmar:

Maybe so, maybe not

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Dagmar:

Is your distro compiled for 64-bit?

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defaultro:

maybe the actors/actresses in the movie can't cope up with the speed of you processors

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DVBMark:

more curious than anything, wanted to see if it fixed the tearing

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DVBMark:

yes on the distro

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DVBMark:

lol

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defaultro:

:D

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DVBMark:

they get paid enough

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DVBMark:

lol

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DVBMark:

keep up

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Dagmar:

...and you grabbed the 64-bit version of the nvidia driver, yes?

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DVBMark:

heh

[07:12:07]

DVBMark:

yes

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Dagmar:

Hmm... You should pretty much be able to rule that out then

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DVBMark:

lol

[07:12:32]

DVBMark:

well i do appreciate all the time and effort. dunno what the deal is

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defaultro:

what distro?

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DVBMark:

guess I will deal

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DVBMark:

debian

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Dagmar:

I had to explain to my boss a few days ago why you don't compile the kernel for just Athlon 32-bit even if your distro is 32-bit

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defaultro:

:)

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Dagmar:

Some of the stuff he gets by without knowing kills me

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defaultro:

DVB, mine is a jurassic version, FC3

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Dagmar:

He was all "why is my machine acting so unstable?"

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defaultro:

:)

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DVBMark:

heh

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DVBMark:

dunno default appreciate it all the same, just will go with the flow

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defaultro:

i was actually planning of upgrading to FC6 when i saw Beryl

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tcpsyn_:

beryl is cool and all

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DVBMark:

have tried lots of em but prefer deb heh

[07:14:29]

tcpsyn_:

but its not that cool

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mchou:

beryl is just a hog

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Dagmar:

I wouldn't suggest trying to use the fancy-schmancy 3D stuff with Myth

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DVBMark:

started with slack

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defaultro:

tcpsyn, haven't tried it yet but ihave the fc6 dvd

[07:14:50]

defaultro:

me too, slack

[07:14:53]

defaultro:

kernel 1.13

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defaultro:

:D

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tcpsyn_:

beryl is a waste of resources

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defaultro:

but on and off

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mchou:

bveryl made my system way slower

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DVBMark:

I remember getting the cd's each month lol

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DVBMark:

now I prob couldn't handle it heh

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DVBMark:

too spoiled lol

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** defaultro is using fluxbox with everything off **

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defaultro:

at night, since it's a crt hdtv, black scenes are totally black :D

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mchou:

beryl has been pretty useless

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DVBMark:

get prebuffering pauses occasionally as well which is another reason experimenting with diff settings

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DVBMark:

cause audio stutter occasionally

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DVBMark:

nice on the black heh

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defaultro:

DVB, are you sure you're getting correct recording

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defaultro:

like enough signal

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DVBMark:

ya, should be

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defaultro:

ah

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defaultro:

here is another thing I remember

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defaultro:

your audio driver

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DVBMark:

haven't messed much with it

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DVBMark:

ALSA:default

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defaultro:

i used a PCI audio driver

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DVBMark:

passthrough

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defaultro:

and tons of stuttering

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DVBMark:

using onboard S/PDIF

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defaultro:

i removed and use the onboard

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defaultro:

everything went smooth

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DVBMark:

using the onboard, but haven't really touched settings, cuz it worked heh

[07:17:50]

DVBMark:

but maybe it is an issue?

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defaultro:

you can turn off sound for testing

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defaultro:

you can do it withing frontend

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DVBMark:

how? k let me look

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tcpsyn_:

make sure that you have extra audio buffering enabled

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tcpsyn_:

in the frontend

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defaultro:

yep, that one too

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tcpsyn_:

that may fix the studdering

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defaultro:

I also enabled or added

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DVBMark:

do on that tcpsyn_ thanks

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DVBMark:

already enabled

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DVBMark:

currently use video as timebase isn't that proper?

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defaultro:

mine is disabled

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defaultro:

on that

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DVBMark:

mine is too seems like it caused probs for me but making sure

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tcpsyn_:

mine is disabled

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defaultro:

only is selected

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juski:

moanin

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DVBMark:

how to disable audio? command line?

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defaultro:

i couldnt remember the 4th chioce

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DVBMark:

groanin

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defaultro:

nope

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DVBMark:

Aggressive Sound card Buffering

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defaultro:

where you see ALSA:default

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DVBMark:

ya

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defaultro:

i'm running out of brains

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DVBMark:

select none?

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defaultro:

am not in front of my achine

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defaultro:

yes, select NONE

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defaultro:

and play a recording

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defaultro:

how do you record

[07:20:38]

defaultro:

antenna, comcast, etc?

[07:20:41]

DVBMark:

what u mean? dvb

[07:20:44]

defaultro:

fusion

[07:20:44]

defaultro:

air2pc

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defaultro:

atsc

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DVBMark:

DVB cards

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DVBMark:

with audio off get prebuffering still

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DVBMark:

heh

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defaultro:

hmmm

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DVBMark:

and lots more stutter so maybe that isn't it

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defaultro:

what myth version?

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DVBMark:

svn from today

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

well, i gave up

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defaultro:

the audio is the only thing I played before

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DVBMark:

np man heh

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mchou:

we've got a madman running this country

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Dagmar:

No argument there

[07:22:21]

mchou:

time for a regime change

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DVBMark:

it has gotten a lot better but didn't mention till now, got lots of RingBuf blah blah.mpg waited 1.0 seconds for data to become available sometimes with a prebuffering pause

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defaultro:

can you play that recording in mplayer

[07:22:55]

defaultro:

i mean, play the recording

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defaultro:

and tell us how it performs

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DVBMark:

umm honestly not absolutely sure it happens with recordings, only with livetv

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defaultro:

try mplayer --nosound .mpg

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defaultro:

just grab the mpg file

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defaultro:

and play it with mplayer

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DVBMark:

anything to look for?

[07:25:42]

DVBMark:

playing fine

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DVBMark:

umm

[07:26:12]

DVBMark:

get some swaps it looks like from progressive NTSC content and NTSC content

[07:26:17]

DVBMark:

swithing framerates occasionally

[07:26:24]

DVBMark:

it is a hd recording obviously

[07:26:31]

DVBMark:

guess I can try a sd one

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DVBMark:

just grabbed a # lol

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DVBMark:

playing what appears to be what I was watching just a sec ago, no switching framerates via mplayer

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defaultro:

you mean, no drop

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defaultro:

no frame drop

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DVBMark:

correct

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defaultro:

man, I gave up

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defaultro:

I have to look at my settings again to help you

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DVBMark:

heh np

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defaultro:

but I'm so tired

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DVBMark:

appreciate the time

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DVBMark:

tired as well, so think I am calling it a night, thanks again for the effort. all of ya!

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juski:

DVBMark: you running mythfrontend as root?

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juski:

just that I had serious playback issues with the last release of minimyth – prebuffering pauses etc – the new release no longer runs mythfrontend as root and hey presto – playback is sweet again

[07:34:01]

tcpsyn_:

minimyth?

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juski:

DVBMark: try en/disabling opengl vsync too

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tcpsyn_:

that extra audio buffering setting fixed me up good

[07:34:45]

juski:

tcpsyn_: yeah.. mythtv-based distro for epia-based frontends... actually generally mini-itx :)

[07:34:52]

tcpsyn_:

oh

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juski:

small footprint, quick to boot, netbooty :)

[07:38:58]

juski:

got slack worky on my STB form-factor PC last night. 27% CPU usage playing back SDTV mpeg2 on a 733Mhz celery

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Aurelius:

heya juski

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juski:

hey Aurelius

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Aurelius:

what do you use for the backend?

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juski:

ubuntu at the moment. athlon 2000xp (feelin' hot hot hot!) 512MB RAM, about a terabyte of storage

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Aurelius:

ah

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Aurelius:

i'm thinking aobut doing something at home now that the one at work is almost done

[07:46:06]

juski:

2 dvb-t pci cards, 1 pvr150

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Aurelius:

i dunno what i'd use for cards at home

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juski:

if I get one more 'random' reboot with ubuntu it's going the journey

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hads:

juski: That's odd that running as root would affect playback

[07:47:16]

juski:

hads: how did stuarta put it again... er... priority inversion, that was it

[07:47:25]

hads:

:)

[07:47:45]

juski:

sounds plausible to me & I don't know much about it

[07:47:46]

hads:

What's causeing the 'random' reboots?

[07:48:25]

juski:

hads: dunno. hardware is fine. seems to be samba related according to what I could dig out of the logs – and that'd be a stretch

[07:48:58]

juski:

get a message about it not being able to talk to a windows box on my network a few times.. then the message about the restart

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hads:

Odd

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juski:

though to be fair it last rebooted on 31st Dec of last year & my home IP was taking a beating

[07:50:49]

juski:

my router crashed it got so much traffic

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hads:

Wouldn't have thought that samba would cause a reboot. You never know though I guess.

[07:51:08]

hads:

What release of Ubuntu you running?

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juski:

6.06 LTS

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juski:

there might be some updates it needs but I'm always wary of automagical updates

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hads:

Interesting. I'm running 6.10 here.

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juski:

see how it goes. I don't have any allegiance to any distro

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hads:

Fair enough

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juski:

I always say I'm only using linux for mythtv

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hads:

What else would you be using?

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juski:

that's not to say I'd ever use a windows mythbackend or a frontend in my livingroom

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hads:

Oh, Windows.

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tcpsyn_:

I prefer to just never use windows, ever.

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tcpsyn_:

for anything

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juski:

thinking about buying a mac mini

[07:55:22]

juski:

tcpsyn_: photoshop on linux? serious realtime video editing on linux? audio production on linux? hmmm

[07:55:40]

tcpsyn_:

juski, gimp, cinelerra, and ardour

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tcpsyn_:

ardour is badass.

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hads:

Stop now, OS war ahead :)

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tcpsyn_:

lots of people say gimp isn't as powerful as photoshop, but I've never run into anything I needed, that it couldn't do.

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Aurelius:

think a 733 mhz machine w/256 using pata would work as a mythbackend?

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Aurelius:

"as long as i don't run windows on it"

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hads:

Depends what you do with it.

[08:00:50]

Aurelius:

it'd just be the mythbackend

[08:00:58]

hads:

Tuners?

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Aurelius:

prolly the pvr-500

[08:01:13]

hads:

Should be fine thenm

[08:01:18]

Aurelius:

maybe a couple pvr-350's

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hads:

Why I said "It depends" is that if you were using framegrabber cards then the answer would be no.

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Aurelius:

hehe, yeah.. alright. i'm tired, and really sick it seems

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Aurelius:

hopefully sleep will cure both

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juski:

gimp sucks

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juski:

cinelerra.. hardly usable.

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Dagmar:

It beats extracting frames one at a time

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juski:

anyway I paid for my software so getting my money's worth :)

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tcpsyn_:

ardour doesn't suck.

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juski:

hadn't heard of ardour tbh

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tcpsyn_:

www.ardour.org

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juski:

ooo

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Dagmar:

Doesn't really seem to have many video features

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juski:

I imagine at some point there'll be a finat cut / sony vegas -alike for linux which won't be all crashy crashy.. so then I might consider making a permanent switch

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Dagmar:

Visual quality is kind of lacking.

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tcpsyn_:

juski, ardour

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tcpsyn_:

damnit

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juski:

modeled on a Quantel paintbox UI by the look of it

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juski:

tcpsyn_: video editing, damnit

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juski:

Ardour is a digital audio workstation

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tcpsyn_:

damn right it is

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tcpsyn_:

and a good one.

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juski:

but then – I only stick with windows for the software – don't like the OS

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tcpsyn_:

it does video too, I think.

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juski:

so looks like serious audio editing is possible in linux at least :)

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juski:

and when I say serious video editing I mean making the kind of videos I have on my 'videos' page on my site www.juski.co.uk

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juski:

not sticking DV tapes together

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** Hoxzer hates dv **

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juski:

dv will get less generational loss in editing than those mpeg camcorders though

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Hoxzer:

yeah, I just hate the way dvmini transfers to PC

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Hoxzer:

1x is just way too slow and also raw video takes way too much space

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juski:

it doesn't _have_ to be realtime, but it is unfortunately

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juski:

storage is cheap

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juski:

and you can always keep the raw video on the original medium ;)

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juski:

I reckon a dv tape will outlast a dvd-r by a good margin

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juski:

if stored properly

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tcpsyn_:

anyone know a site thats streaming 24?

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kormoc:

no, and please don't talk about potentially illegal things in here.

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Zider:

I know a site that's streaming 24/7.. but not tv.. only scene-demos ;)

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juski:

anyway if you have to ask you're more thick than I thought

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kermitthefrog911:

can anyone help me set up mythweb?

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juski:

kermitthefrog911: potentially, yes

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doc__:

hi there

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kermitthefrog911:

I have the "Database Setup Error" whenever i try to load the page

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kermitthefrog911:

but I'm almost positive my env variables are set right in htaccess

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juski:

only almost positive?

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juski:

svn or -fixes?

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kermitthefrog911:

im running gentoo

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kermitthefrog911:

so i just emerged the package...

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kermitthefrog911:

www-apps/mythweb-0.20_p1167

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Zider:

11671

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Zider:

:)

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kermitthefrog911:

yeah

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kermitthefrog911:

yeah the db_* env variable are set right

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kermitthefrog911:

i htink the issue may be in apache, but I can't quite track it down

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juski:

mysql is in your USE thingy isn't it?

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juski:

so php should have mysql support

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kormoc:

emerge -pv php

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kermitthefrog911:

I'm prettty sure, its all there, I used this as a test server for a site I maintain

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juski:

you're not completely sure about much though..

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kermitthefrog911:

just checked it, mysql and php work fine

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kermitthefrog911:

i think my httpd.conf my be messing htings up

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kermitthefrog911:

i put the line "

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kermitthefrog911:

DocumentRoot /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb"

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juski:

hmmm

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kermitthefrog911:

into httpd.conf, but it still has the root at htdocs

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kermitthefrog911:

so I think it might be erroring out

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kormoc:

you don;t have more then one DocumentRoot do you?

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juski:

did you restart apache after changing that?

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kermitthefrog911:

would a pastebin of my httpd.conf be helpful?

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kermitthefrog911:

http://pastebin.ca/312884

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Dagmar:

Notice how quiet I'm being. :)

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juski:

been taking your pills again Dagmar ?

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juski:

can I have some too?

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Dagmar:

Nope. I'm just not touching problems where a default install actually works

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kormoc:

heh

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kermitthefrog911:

oooo

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kermitthefrog911:

new error

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kermitthefrog911:

i found I had the path to my mythweb directory skewed...

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kermitthefrog911:

fixed it and restarted... not its an Apache Error

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kermitthefrog911:

error_log pointed me in the right direction

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kermitthefrog911:

yay!

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kermitthefrog911:

fixed

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kermitthefrog911:

i had the <Directory /foo/bar/mythweb> in .htaccess and it needed to be only in httpd.conf

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kermitthefrog911:

argh spoke too soon

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kermitthefrog911:

k... got it

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kermitthefrog911:

done yah

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kermitthefrog911:

thanks

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TimothyP:

Hi, since this morning running mythtv on my frontend makes the entire desktop crash

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TimothyP:

I tried deleting all the configuration files to start over, but I'm missing something

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juski:

all the configuration files.. hmmm let's see. the only config file mythfrontend writes is mysql.txt

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TimothyP:

I removed that

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TimothyP:

yet it does not ask me to set up again

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TimothyP:

it gives Database error was:

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TimothyP:

Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)

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TimothyP:

yes it should not try to connect to the localhost :s

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juski:

so find other occurences of mysql.txt

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TimothyP:

didn't do that before today

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juski:

and let me guess... you're using compiz or some new-fangled 3d desktop thing?

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TimothyP:

no disabled it

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TimothyP:

yet it did not give errors before

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juski:

mythfrontend making X crash isn't really mythtv's fault anyway

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juski:

what happens when X crashes.. I mean what are you doing?

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stuarta:

morning all

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juski:

morning stuarta.

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Merlin83b:

Morning

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juski:

got mythfrontend going on my s100 last night when I got home. 27% cpu usage playing back freeview on that 733mhz celery

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stuarta:

nice

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juski:

aye it is :)

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rsdvd:

Morning Juski!

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juski:

hopefully not too many hurdles to leap before I've got myself a nice small frontend image

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juski:

morning rsdvd

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Merlin83b:

Hooray! Well done juski :)

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rsdvd:

juski : how small do you think you will be ableto make your OS? what size key will it fit on?

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Neeesat25:

Hello

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juski:

rsdvd: aiming for 128MB

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Bernardo:

good morning

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juski:

morning Bernardo

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Neeesat25:

Good morning

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juski:

rsdvd: I might be lucky with that goal

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Neeesat25:

juski: ffmpeg did the trick yesterday

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Neeesat25:

Got my video seektable

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Merlin83b:

128MB stick internal to an S100 would be lovely :)

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juski:

just been speaking to a workmate. he got xorg 6.8 working dualview on his s100

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juski:

I'm not 100% sure he's got dual desktops though

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Neeesat25:

clone?

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otwin:

juski: what distro are you running on your s100?

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** Bernardo insults ati drivers... **

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Bernardo:

anyone's been able to use a x300 tv out?

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stuarta:

can't say i've tried

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Bernardo:

just got my dhe-500 media center pc, and it's been a bitch to configure

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Bernardo:

I've used nvidia for the last few years, so I'm very lost right now.. :)

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lwizardl:

Hi

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lwizardl:

is the GeForce 7600GS card supported in mythtv?

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Dagmar:

Nope.

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Dagmar:

Myth doesn't support video cards.

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Dagmar:

Video drivers do.

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Bernardo:

lol

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lwizardl:

Dagmar, funny

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Bernardo:

lwizardl: it should work

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Bernardo:

nvidia has great support in linux

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juski:

otwin: slack

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lwizardl:

I was just wondering becuase I read that I need a geforce4 or better card for hdtv

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lwizardl:

and that card comes with component video out for hdtv's

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juski:

otwin: but I might defect to lfs yet

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lwizardl:

what sound card do you use in your myth box?

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Neeesat25:

Goto run. Bye for now

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Dagmar:

Goto considered harmful.

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Bernardo:

lwizardl: for now, the onboard chip only

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lwizardl:

I'm planing my mythtv box build and trying to get ideas.

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** juski uses onboard audio, vt1622.. though mostly for spdif output :) **

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lwizardl:

I have a surround sound system that I plan to feed the mythtv output into

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juski:

lwizardl: if it's digital, just about any cheap-ass card will do

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Bernardo:

there are a couple of nice, already built, media center pcs right now on ebay

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otwin:

juski: i am netbooting a bootstraped debian with nfsroot – just have a memory stick with grub/pxeboot. right now i'm doing this for work – may be later i'll try using mythfrontend on it. do you have tv-out working? seems to be the hardest part...

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Bernardo:

my only error was buying one with a ati card

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juski:

if all you will do is use spdif/optical an audigy or similar would be a complete waste of money

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juski:

otwin: I need to downgrade xorg to 6.8 then get the IEGD on there

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lwizardl:

yeah 90% of my stuff I use the toslink (optical) out

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otwin:

juski: xfree86 won't work?

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otwin:

juski: if not i'll might switch distro... hmm.

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psycodad:

good morning

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doc__:

good

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Merlin83b:

morning

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psycodad:

i have problems with my streamzap: under debian etch, meanwhile i got the modules installed and working without error, lircd starts without errors but the remote is not working and I get "lircd-0.8.0[1869]: removed client" as last message in syslog. Could anybody give me a hint where to read/search/google/check cause im running out of ideas

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juski:

otwin: xfree86 ? thought that was deprecated already

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rsdvd:

juski : are you sure this box can boot from USB drives? I can get it to boot from a usb stick but it don;t seem to like booting from an external USB DVDROM

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juski:

rsdvd: it likes usb sticks

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juski:

I think the problem is the kernel probing for usb controllers while it's still booting from the usb

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rsdvd:

yes – I have a fedora stage 1 no usb key – and that is fine.......but every time I try and use a CD/DVD via usb it says there is no bootable media

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juski:

I'll build most stuff into my custom kernel & solve that un

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juski:

rsdvd: you have to change the type of bootable device.. default is hdd

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rsdvd:

I don;t know enough about building my own distro at the moment......I am looking for a small enough distro to fit my usb key

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Dagmar:

Damn Small Linux

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juski:

rsdvd: might not take me long :)

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juski:

or then it might.. who knows?

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rsdvd:

Dagmar:I am just reading about that at the moment

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otwin:

juski: at least not in debian-sarge

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rsdvd:

juski : i have not been able to change the boot device.........it always says [disabled] in the boot priority screen

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juski:

rsdvd: keep trying.. you'll crack it

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rsdvd:

:-)

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juski:

if taking pics of BIOS screens wasn't so frickin hard I'd have documented it already

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Dagmar:

OOO

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juski:

it does't work with my LCD :(

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Dagmar:

I know something that might be able to help, no wait, you're still talking about for those S100's

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Dagmar:

I have an emu tool somewhere that's meant for developing BIOS stuff with, but the short of it is that it can just run the BIOS configuration menus in a window

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juski:

hahaha

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juski:

that'd be nice

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Dagmar:

IIRC the thing only worked with AMI BIOSes

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juski:

this un's an Award BIOS IIRC

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juski:

ah no it's AMI

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fatmatt:

heyas

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otwin:

juski: there is a backport of xorg 6.9 for sarge. does it have to be 6.8 for IEGD?

[11:12:02]

fatmatt:

anyone got any mythlcdserver tips?

[11:14:37]

juski:

awesome! I won £800,000 in a yahoo mail lottery!

[11:14:46]

juski:

otwin: yeah

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stuarta:

like to see you collect that!

[11:15:16]

juski:

oh wait – I don't _have_ a yahoo mail account. never mind.. maybe I'll pay this fee to claim my money anyway

[11:15:23]

juski:

anyone got £2000 handy?

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Bernardo:

lol

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juski:

oh it's a scam! now I see it. and here was me thinking I was RICH! rich, I tell you

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Dagmar:

5:22am

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Dagmar:

ick

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GreyFoxx:

juski: You using the latst IEGD (6.1 from Dec 7th?)?

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GreyFoxx:

I just grabbed it and am gonna try it out on the msntv2 soon

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juski:

not using it yet

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juski:

just figuring out ways of the slack ;)

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Dagmar:

Any questions you run into about Slack feel free to hit me with

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juski:

ok then.. cruft removal.. how would one go about that?

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Dagmar:

I'll go and dig up the answers if the absurd happens and I don't already know

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Dagmar:

A very complex shell script or you just don't install things without making them into packages first

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juski:

there were installed from dvd so I guess they're packages. need to bone up on package management

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juski:

I need to rtfm, gravely

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Bernardo:

hi GreyFoxx

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Dagmar:

So what exactly are you defining as cruft then?

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Dagmar:

I assumed you were talking about the usual problem people have of having libfoo.so.0.9.7, libfoo.so.0.9.6, libfoo.so.0.9.4 and so on piling up in /usr/lib

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juski:

installed too much stuff, need to trim it right back. I'll just rtfm

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GreyFoxx:

juski: as rook run pkgtool, you can use it to run through (Remove) all installed slakcware packages

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Dagmar:

Oh, removepkg. :)

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Dagmar:

Look in /var/log/packages and you'll find all these nice flat files containing every packages inventory list

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Dagmar:

Just remember that no dependency checking means it will not ask you "Do you *really* want to remove glibc-2.3.6-i486–6 from the system?"

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juski:

righto

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juski:

it'll just be the obvious stuff at first anyway

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Dagmar:

You probably could have gotten away with just installing the first CD

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rsdvd:

juski : if you are going to run from a USB key – do you need to be so strict about what you remove, can you just not build a bigger distro

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Dagmar:

...and then slapping in the other bits you didn't get after the fact

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Dagmar:

We tell most Dropline users to just install the first CD in it's entirety and then the installer will take care of anything else missing

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juski:

I can get a pretty good idea about what I actually need from minimyth I think

[12:09:20]

juski:

does busybox save on much space?

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Dagmar:

juski: Also remember that if you seem to be missing something, *anything*, even a single binary, you can poke the name into http://packages.slackware.it/ and it will tell you what package it comes from

[12:09:32]

juski:

Dagmar: noted, thanks

[12:09:34]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but you kinda pay a little bit

[12:09:45]

Dagmar:

Busybox replaces a LOT of things, actually

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juski:

Dagmar: I know that.. but the end user isn't gonna be compiling on the box ;)

[12:10:09]

juski:

or stuff...

[12:10:22]

Dagmar:

Using it with ulibc things don't always work like they're supposed to with name resolution, but it works for everything else

[12:10:27]

juski:

it'll run mythfrontend & little else

[12:10:38]

juski:

name resolution?

[12:10:42]

Dagmar:

You can almost certainly use Busybox then

[12:11:11]

Dagmar:

juski: Yes, under certain conditions instead of relaying a temporary name service failure error, ulibc will return the IP address "1.1.1.1" to clients.

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Dagmar:

I *think* they're supposed to have fixed that now tho

[12:14:18]

juski:

heh. My question isn't listed in their FAQ

[12:16:46]

juski:

GreyFoxx: is pkgtool a GUI thingy?

[12:16:51]

Dagmar:

heh

[12:16:56]

Dagmar:

It's an ncurses thingy

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juski:

not found here

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juski:

got pkg-config though

[12:17:36]

Dagmar:

how the hell

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GreyFoxx:

it's in /sbin

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Dagmar:

Did you somehow manage to install Slackware without pkgtools?

[12:18:02]

GreyFoxx:

normally not in a users path, are you root ?

[12:18:12]

juski:

DOH!

[12:18:15]

juski:

noob error

[12:18:20]

Dagmar:

Ah

[12:18:32]

juski:

!trout Juski noob

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** MythLogBot slaps Juski with a noob trout on behalf of juski... **

[12:19:02]

juski:

jesus. in a logged channel too

[12:19:45]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

[12:22:16]

** juski chuckles. Elvis indeed **

[12:22:30]

Dagmar:

Crap I can't find my old etrade password

[12:22:44]

Dagmar:

I need to buy pfizer stock asap

[12:23:49]

juski:

Wth is a 'Krell Monitor' ?

[12:24:28]

juski:

ahhh

[12:24:28]

Dagmar:

It'a a fancy german way of saying "sensor widget"

[12:29:11]

juski:

got to L, got bored

[12:29:31]

Dagmar:

Yeah, maybe you should have just installed CD1

[12:29:42]

juski:

what and then removed stuff? ;)

[12:30:03]

juski:

naw it's all good lernin;

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Dagmar:

From the way you're talking I was under the impression that you either installed all three CDs or installed the whole DVD

[12:30:43]

juski:

the dvd.. just needed to know it would work

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Dagmar:

Ah

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juski:

I'll leave it to pull out all the rubbish I decided I didn't want & see how it gors

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juski:

goes, even

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Dagmar:

Mm... I kinda want a smoke, but I also kinda don't want to freeze my nuts off

[12:33:29]

juski:

I need to go get petrol.. and wana smoke too

[12:33:36]

juski:

2 birds with one stone... :-P

[12:33:43]

Dagmar:

heh

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stuarta:

just not at the same time

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Dagmar:

People get upset when you take the cigarette out of their mouth at the pump

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Beirdo:

Dagmar: TN? how's the weather up there?

[13:00:20]

Dagmar:

Just barely above freezing

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Beirdo:

wow. I guess my buddy in Milan is getting cold then

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juski:

gawd it's windy out there

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Beirdo:

I should call him up and call him a Yankee... nothing quite pisses him off like that :)

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Beirdo:

WTF? Why does nautilus take 96M?!

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Beirdo:

goddamned gnome

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Dagmar:

Well...

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fryfrog:

that is a deep subject

[14:27:18]

Dagmar:

I do believe that perhaps I could get a Sadistic Bastard Of The Year Award just for pushing out a working shell script to do auto-discovery of backends and mysql databases using Avahi

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Dagmar:

People would freak the hell right out after they find out what a pain making Avahi work and how many pieces it is

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Bernardo:

stupid question, anyone knows if I can use a xbox360 dvi to component cable to connect a ati x300 card to a tv?

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juski:

wouldn't bank on it

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juski:

does the xbox360 even have non-propriatary connectors?

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Bernardo:

dvi, apparently

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kslater:

usb as well

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juski:

amazing!

[14:31:08]

kslater:

truly

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Bernardo:

but that's my doubt if they're following the dvi spec or just using the plug and connecting pins at random

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juski:

if they use the dvi logo it'd have to conform to spec

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fryfrog:

if you have the stuff already, it'd be worth a try eh?

[14:33:23]

fryfrog:

DVI does carry analog and digital signals, but I didn't think the analog signal was *component* compatible

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Bernardo:

I was thinking on buying it, to use instead of the svideo out connection on my ati x300

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fryfrog:

Bernardo: you can find some video cards that come with component output, usually via a breakout box of some sort

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fryfrog:

and they do make converters i'm sure

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fryfrog:

I don't spose your tv has HDMI input?

[14:34:40]

fryfrog:

cause a $10 DVI -> HDMI cable will do ya

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Bernardo:

fryfrog: my tv only has component and euroconnector

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Bernardo:

SCART

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Dagmar:

Euw

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fryfrog:

ah

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Bernardo:

the HDMI capable tv will be bought some time this year, I hope... :)

[14:35:48]

Bernardo:

depends on my financial manager (aka wife) aproval

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juski:

you might need a 'special' component adapter for the ATI thing then

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Bernardo:

it seems I have to check if it is a DVI-D or DVI-I...

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fryfrog:

it is hard to fidn one that isn't both

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fryfrog:

what i don't understand is, why does xb360 have a DVI -> component cable?

[14:41:33]

Bernardo:

it seems I'm in luck, it's DVI-I (DVi_D doesn't have the five analog pins)

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fryfrog:

I thought the xbox360 had a wierd connector on the back and you could *buy* different sorts of cables that went into it... like 360 -> component or 360 -> vga or 360 -> composite or 360 -> svideo

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juski:

that's what I

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juski:

thought

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fryfrog:

I know the PS3 has their weird connector and *also* an HDMI port

[14:42:26]

fryfrog:

and people suspect the Xbox360 v2.0 will have the same as above

[14:43:38]

Bernardo:

well, I got the dvi pinout from here: http://pinouts.ru/Video/dvi_pinout.shtml and the x300

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Bernardo:

pictures I've foound (mine's at home, can't check right now) seem to imply it has the full complement of analog pins

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Bernardo:

bbl, meeting time

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fryfrog:

it does

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fryfrog:

but i swear they are in a "vga" compatible format

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opello:

fryfrog: because of the simple pin adapters?

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fryfrog:

opello: yeah, exactly

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stuarta:

crap, still another 340 msgs in -dev to go....

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Dibblah:

Has anyone played with http://netjack.sourceforge.net/

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mkrufky:

Dibblah: i have heard of hardware that uses a protocol very similar (if not identical) to that ..... i'll see if i can find a link

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Dibblah:

Looking at doing whole-house audio. Already have gig to all rooms.

[16:03:08]

Dibblah:

And have PCs to spare :)

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Dibblah:

(Technically, laptops, so power consumption isn't that big an issue)

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** Scopeuk wonders if grepping log files on windows constitues madness **

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Dibblah:

Not at all. Do it all the time.

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Scopeuk:

good

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Dibblah:

find is just such a poor excuse for text-processing.

[16:07:01]

Scopeuk:

findstr isent to bad

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Dibblah:

Of course, I have a tendency to overuse sed ;)

[16:07:26]

Scopeuk:

yeh seds cool but i tend to get wound up im nto the biggest regex fan

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moh:

Two things I install when I'm forced to use a windows machine: xemacs and cygwin

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mkrufky:

argh, i cant remember the name of the product

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moh:

otherwise I"m utterly lost.

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Scopeuk:

i get by with grep sed awk type cat andacupple of others

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Dibblah:

mkrufky: I've seen it. It's a little metal box with ethernet + audio.

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mkrufky:

Dibblah: yes!

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Dibblah:

http://www.barix.com/index.php?option=com_con . . . mp;Itemid=33

[16:12:46]

mkrufky:

i hate it when the name of something is on the tip of my tongue, but i just cant remember

[16:13:10]

Dibblah:

mp3, which doesn't really go well with cross-room audio.

[16:13:17]

mkrufky:

Dibblah: interesting... not quite the same thing, but seems to do the same functionality

[16:13:29]

Dibblah:

(The encode / decode cycle is too laggy)

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mkrufky:

the one that i saw was really tiny and slick looking

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mkrufky:

the author of the pvrusb2 driver showed it to me

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mkrufky:

s/author/maintainer

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Dibblah:

It's the same thing, I think. http://www.dansdata.com/exstreamer.htm

[16:16:08]

mkrufky:

as soon as i finf the one im thinking of, i'll show u a link

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mkrufky:

will probably take me a while though

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plb:

isn't ivtv built into kernel 2.6.20 now?

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stuarta:

2.6.20 isn't out

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plb:

I know..not yet

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plb:

but I hear it's in it

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stuarta:

http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/t . . . g-2.6.20-rc4

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Scopeuk:

can any one remember the guy that was uing vlc to split a single videop playback across two machines to make one larger display?

[16:30:35]

Scopeuk:

i kinda have 6 display at my disposal atm and have the urge to play

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stuarta:

ignore that.

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plb:

hrm surprised no one has yet to make a tango theme for mythtv

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mkrufky:

plb: ivtv is not included with 2.6.20

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mkrufky:

plb: and it is unlikely to be included in 2.6.21

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mkrufky:

plb: it will _probably_ be ready in time for 2.6.22, but no promises

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Aurelius:

has anyone ever

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Aurelius:

err

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Aurelius:

heh

[17:15:46]

Aurelius:

has anyone setup myth to record with an on screen timestamp?

[17:17:05]

juski:

nope

[17:17:27]

juski:

but myth timestamps all recordings, making entries in the recordedmarkup table

[17:17:44]

juski:

supply an accurate time source & it'd be pretty reliable

[17:19:56]

Dagmar:

Aurelius: You couldn't use a recording made with mythtv, timestamped or not, for anything important

[17:20:09]

Dagmar:

...not when myth is so easy to tell to *stop* recording

[17:20:51]

juski:

Aurelius: maybe use a simple module to burn the time in before the video input...

[17:20:59]

Dibblah:

Woo. It appears that Myth has just passed 10,000 records in oldrecorded for me :)

[17:21:20]

stuarta:

mwuhahaha. who tries to compile myth on a celery 400???? hahahaha

[17:21:46]

juski:

stuarta: not so bad on a 733 celery actually

[17:21:51]

juski:

took less time than I thought

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Dagmar:

Ack that reminds me I have to remember to run ythtv-setup when I get home and tell it a bloody upper limit for the logs in te database

[17:22:08]

stuarta:

i'm still catching up on -dev email. 189mins to link libmythtv

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stuarta:

righto, it's hometime...

[17:25:00]

Dagmar:

I have an hour to go still. *sigh*

[17:25:48]

Dagmar:

There will be much abusing of customer service reps if Staples has left a little sticky on my door when I get home

[17:26:03]

Dagmar:

I told them specifically not to attempt delivery of my new desk until after 1pm

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stuarta:

which means they will have

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Dagmar:

Which of course means I'll be subjecting someone in a call center to verbal abuse

[17:27:19]

Aurelius:

Dagmar: it's for determining if we're on or off air, and making sure spots are where they are suposed to be

[17:27:38]

Aurelius:

as long as it's within a couple minutes, and we can use it to ff/rew

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Dagmar:

Aurelius: About the only thing I can suggest to you then is a second computer

[17:28:16]

Dagmar:

This is something a second machine with a Bt878 card in it would be useful for

[17:28:43]

Dagmar:

Feed the input to the machine with the cheap-ass brooktree card in it, and have it just display the input on the root window

[17:29:01]

Dagmar:

Then stick a clock up on the display in a corner someplace, and feed it's output to the MythTV box

[17:29:21]

Dagmar:

You will *not* easily wedge any kind of visual overlay in using a PVR card

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Dagmar:

...but it's pretty damn simple with a brooktree card

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Dagmar:

Even a P133 would be able to o it

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Dagmar:

s/to o/to do/;

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Aurelius:

hm

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Dagmar:

I've done video prod stuff before

[17:31:19]

Dagmar:

I can totally understand what you'd want it for, but the timestamping isn't going to be anything remotely like 'simple' purely within MythTV

[17:31:44]

Aurelius:

even iif it isn't "simple" that's fine

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Dagmar:

A POS box you can do alpha-layered stuff on over a bt878 tuner would solve it quick tho

[17:32:19]

Dagmar:

I used Gtk::Perl the last time to do some titling

[17:32:23]

Aurelius:

i mean, i could always just take each hour, and post process, and overlay

[17:33:40]

Dagmar:

Yes, but then you'd be subject to the vagaries of having to do it in big chunks after the fact

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juski:

and the fact it's post-processed

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Aurelius:

well, i have a spare brooktree heh

[17:35:32]

Dagmar:

I've got 3–4 of them

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Dagmar:

Actually it's probably more like 7–8 of them now that I have *all* my stuff back

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juski:

2 x servers...

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juski:

oops X

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Dagmar:

juski: That's more or less exactly what I was saying

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Dagmar:

Something like TVTime would even do the clock stuff for you

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Dagmar:

I wouldn't bother with two X servers and trying to do it on the same machine tho

[17:36:37]

juski:

it's not too taxing to record what the machine is doing, on the same machine

[17:36:47]

Aurelius:

hrm

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Aurelius:

what about using the dummy v4l?

[17:36:57]

Aurelius:

err, not dummy

[17:36:57]

juski:

but you're right Dagmar it'd be less complex & therefore less to go wrong

[17:37:09]

Dagmar:

juski: I'm all about the easy hacks. heh

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Dagmar:

PLus I'm ass-deep in old computers most of the time. Just about any excuse to leave them places I will take. Heheh

[17:37:38]

juski:

speaking of which.. ditching a lof of packages I don't need still hasn't bought me much diskpace back

[17:37:45]

Dagmar:

"NO! You're NOT allowed to give it back to me!"

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Dagmar:

juski: Most of them useless ones are tiny. You can probably toss /usr/man and /usr/info definitely (who the hell uses GNU info?), /usr/doc as well probably...

[17:38:52]

Dagmar:

You should also be able to delete /usr/lib/lib*.a since nothing's going to be still using those static libs at runtime

[17:39:15]

juski:

maybe lfs is better suited to this job

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juski:

or does that still produce a lot of useless stuff?

[17:39:35]

Dagmar:

juski: Possibly. It's just a little time-consuming to get up and going

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juski:

heh. deletion is much faster eh

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Dagmar:

If you know what you need and what you don't, skipping over the useless parts of LFS shoudln't be a big deal

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juski:

I have a pretty good idea of what I need

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Dagmar:

What's your consumption on /usr now?

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juski:

wokring...

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juski:

1.7GB

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Dagmar:

You can probably cd into the KDE directory on the DVD and type "removepkg *.tgz" and then maybe reinstall what things you need

[17:41:29]

Dagmar:

THere's a lot of extra crap in there

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jams:

juski, now what are you working on?

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juski:

jams: just playing really

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Dagmar:

1.7Gb tells me there some big chunks of stuff you've just not noticed you can remove

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Dagmar:

Like the i18n stuff for glibc

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jams:

just wondering, lfs can be very time consuming

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juski:

got slack on my s100 – looking at ways to reduce the footprint

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juski:

not installing the kitchen sink at the start might've been a better plan ;)

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juski:

down to 2.3GB total now

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Merlin83b:

Heh

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Merlin83b:

Got kernel sources in there?

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juski:

yeah. actually I want a 2.6 kernel soon so I can just delete 2.4

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Merlin83b:

Deleting that's got to get rid of a big chunk of space.

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juski:

presumably there must be the qt & mysql headers & crap stored somewhere

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juski:

seen as mythtv compiled without any probs

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Dagmar:

Well, yeah, once you get everything the way you want it, if you're never going to compile on there again you can toss /usr/include

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Dagmar:

Pat makes his Qt package in a pretty primitive way. not much you can cull from it

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juski:

that's only 76M

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juski:

/usr/include

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Dagmar:

...other than to maybe jump into /opt/qt/include and trash it

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juski:

what I might've been better doing is copying stuff from this working partition to another, selectively

[17:49:12]

juski:

then chroot to the other partition & see how I go maybe

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Dagmar:

Gimme just a few minutes and I'll show you why people who've used Slackware for years don't need a fancy package manager

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THX2000:

Does "Wrong PMT" just mean my keys haven't rolled yet?

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juski:

THX2000: I hope that doesn't infer what I think it infers

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THX2000:

...I dropped my car keys. unrelated topic

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Dagmar:

juski: *catch*

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Dagmar:

cd /var/log/packages ; grep "UNCOMPRESSED" * | awk -F: '{ printf "%5u %s ", $3, $1 }' | sort -rn | less

[18:05:22]

Dagmar:

It will output a sorted list of which packages are the biggest space hogs

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juski:

heheh cheers

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juski:

I got rid of awk though

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Dagmar:

THta was a mistake

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Dagmar:

Don't make me break out my sed

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Dagmar:

awk is actually small

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juski:

nah it's ok I'll keep playing here

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Xanium4332:

yo all

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Dagmar:

You see things like "86360 jre-1_5_0_09-i586–1"

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Dagmar:

Trust me if you're trying to cull you will want to put awk back in and run that shell fragment

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juski:

that's stupid megs on its own

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

<-- gn0wz Slackware

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juski:

down to 1.3GB now

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jams:

juski- is that with all the plugins?

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juski:

that's good progress

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juski:

jams: not all of them

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juski:

./configure --disable-all --enable-mythmusic --enable-mythvideo --enable-mythdvd --enable-mythgallery --enable-mythweather

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juski:

only plugins I use ^^

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jams:

yeah, those are the plugins that draw in other packages

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juski:

apart from mythbrowser none of them have huge dependencies IIRC

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jams:

depends on how you configure them

[18:17:25]

** xris likes snow days **

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Scopeuk:

xris every one (except SAD people) like snow days

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jams:

oh it's snowing in seattle?

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xris:

last night

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xris:

got about 5 inches here

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Scopeuk:

sad in this case being the medical abbriviation

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Scopeuk:

xris lucky you

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Dagmar:

I wouldn't be so proud of it as all that

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juski:

huffyuv? wth do I want that for?!

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Scopeuk:

im hopeing we get some this year

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slowone:

whats a snow day? (grumble.. snow on ground, but work never gets cancled for it)

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jams:

cool, that might be the system that is supposed to drop freezing rain for me

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juski:

ah then there's all the backend stuff I can get shot of too

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xris:

Scopeuk: doesn't mean I don't have to work. just means I actually get stuff done. :)

[18:20:39]

Scopeuk:

xris fair enough

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Scopeuk:

technically snow would be know excuse for me not to attenda lecture

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Scopeuk:

even in a blizard im only 5 – 10 mins walk from the lecture theater

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juski:

I fear snow. it makes folks here drive like lunatics

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Scopeuk:

juski know the feeling

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Scopeuk:

remeberaguy showbaotign round the corner near my house cupple of years ago in his cosworth rally varient

[18:21:38]

juski:

arghh! snowflake!!! (slows down to 2mph & still crashes)

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Aurelius:

ok, here's a question then... is there a way to record with the OSD on screen all the time?

[18:21:43]

Scopeuk:

very nearly putthe bugger into the wall

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Scopeuk:

and that happens alot

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Scopeuk:

juski lol

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slowone:

juski: same here in my town.. people are scared of it :(

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Scopeuk:

people here jsutget reackless

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juski:

Aurelius: the OSD won't appear on the recordings though

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juski:

I suspect a simple patch to disable the OSD timeout will help, Aurelius ;)

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Aurelius:

hrm

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Aurelius:

but it won't record the OSD? :(

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juski:

not unless you feed it into something else

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juski:

AFAIK though myth stamps the current time into the recordedmarkup table

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xris:

juski: you're not the only one. people here can't drive in the snow OR the rain.. and this is seattle, we get a LOT of rain.

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juski:

or at the very least an offset, and you know its start time already...

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juski:

I never could get a handle on why TZ & time offsets can cause playback problems on remote frontends

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juski:

ultimately concluded that the timestamps might be absolute

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Aurelius:

hrm

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Aurelius:

maybe i'll end up using the dual display thing

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Dagmar:

Just find a cheap machine

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Dagmar:

Check craigslist for your area

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Aurelius:

Dagmar: i have plenty of machines here

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Aurelius:

i'd just rather not have to have two boxes

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juski:

haha wget needs ssl. whoops

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Scopeuk:

;-)

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juski:

might be altogether easier just to flatten this & start afresh

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** Scopeuk is glad his level of paranoia has yet to escelate to usign tar manual source audits and only runign stuff hes compiled himself **

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Dagmar:

Scopeuk: Oh but it takes care of all those pesky problems of what to wear and where to go to dinner

[18:30:23]

Scopeuk:

yeh shorts anda vest and order in

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Scopeuk:

your tlakin to someone whats had food delviered from a fast food place 5 minutes walk away

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Dagmar:

lol

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Scopeuk:

not somethign d do often but lazy is as lazy does

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juski:

scratch that.. the hdd just died. hahaha

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juski:

that's one casualty from the great "stuff fell down from the shelf above" cataclysm yesterday then

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phyber:

anyone here got a DVB-T card running in debian etch using mythtv from debian-multimedia?

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phyber:

the 'scan' utility finds channels fine, but when I try to scan in mythtv-setup, I get a "FAiled to open the card" error

[18:41:53]

phyber:

both are being run as the mythtv user.

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slowone:

i have an dvb-astc card (usa here) useing etch + mythtv from debian-multimedia. runs fine for me..

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phyber:

I guess what I'm really asking is why would 'scan' be able to open the card and find channels without difficulty while mythtv-setup breaks and fails to open it.

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slowone:

your useing the dvb tools 'scan' on the commandline?

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phyber:

yup

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phyber:

as the mythtv user, and mythtv-setup also runs as the mythtv user.

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slowone:

did you setup the card correctly in mythtv?

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phyber:

yeah. I've added the card correctly, etc.

[18:45:10]

phyber:

I've had it setup in slackware before, so this isn't the first time I've set mythtv up :)

[18:45:45]

phyber:

oh!

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phyber:

interesting.

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phyber:

I got to the scan page via a different route in the setup, and not it works.

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slowone:

is that the only error that appears? or is there anything in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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phyber:

truthfully, I forgot to check the log (d'oh), but I'll be sure to check it soon to see what was happening.

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phyber:

oh, actually.

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phyber:

there would be nothing there

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phyber:

backend isn't running yet.

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slowone:

funny.. i cant get the 'scan' utility to work for myself on the commandline.. but mythtv-setups gui channel scanner works just fine

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Aurelius:

so what would be a good toolkit to create an overlay transparent clock display?

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jams:

xosd ?

[18:55:46]

Aurelius:

hm, looking :)

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juski:

wait a minute. why am I trying to reinvent the wheel when I could probably adapt minimyth quite easily..

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Aurelius:

heh

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juski:

now I remember why I gave up on this a while ago

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juski:

jams which xorg does your iso use?

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jams:

let me double check

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juski:

ow. no usable screens found. whoops

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juski:

so that doesn't work out of the box then

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juski:

no intel drivers maybe?

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jams:

xorg-server-1.1.1 with some mouse patches by me

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jams:

Xorg 7.1

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jams:

it doest autodetect intel cards, yet

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jams:

heh, doesn't look like I even installed them

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Aurelius:

xosd is nice

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jams:

juski- I will add it to the repo shortly

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ShiftyPowers:

any screens of xosd?

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juski:

ShiftyPowers: you're kidding right?

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ShiftyPowers:

now i am

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ShiftyPowers:

yes

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ShiftyPowers:

i just searched

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ShiftyPowers:

man mythcommflag is a process whore, even with nice at 19

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ShiftyPowers:

i don't get it

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ShiftyPowers:

no more mythcommflag for me

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gardengnome:

ShiftyPowers: check out "ionice", it might help

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stuarta:

evening all

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Scopeuk:

hi

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** Scopeuk is gettign worried about himself was jsut pondering turning 2 montiros 90 deg such that i caould span em with vlc and get a perfect hight match **

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juski:

evening stuarta

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stuarta:

still catching up on email :(

[19:41:16]

stuarta:

not even started on -users yet...

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juski:

just delete them ones. they're not worth it :)

[19:43:33]

stuarta:

oh i will be...

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Scopeuk:

stuarta same trick i use redirected to a folder listed as read

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Scopeuk:

if i want to know anyhtign i jsut search it

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stuarta:

thread delete...

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Scopeuk:

then again at one point last year ide read every post in the ntklbroudband seciton of cable forum so takign organisation and rioritisation tips from me is probably a bad idea

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stuarta:

it's my other mailboxes that'll take a few weeks

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stuarta:

wouldn't take spelling tips from you either :-P

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Scopeuk:

stuarta wise man

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juski:

jees 413MB used & I haven't even got the mythtv deps yet

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juski:

ponder ponder

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Scopeuk:

gee thats so harsh *rool eyes*

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** Scopeuk wonders if he should have some more cafine **

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juski:

Scopeuk: aiming for teeny tiny

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** stuarta suggests the big finger **

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Scopeuk:

juski fair enough

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juski:

well since this is a voyage of discovery, teaching an old grumpy dog new tricks, lfs might be worth a visit

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Scopeuk:

good luck

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moh:

juski: what distro are you using right now?

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juski:

moh: I'm not. this is for a 'special project'

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stuarta:

JuskiOS :)

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juski:

I might call it FreeBlueScreenOfDeath

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juski:

oops lowercase 'o'

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hads:

So unless you are using LFS already you must be using something as a base

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stuarta:

hahaha!

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juski:

here's the goal.. lightweight ready to run mythfrontend for my s100

[19:51:42]

juski:

and I've never built an OS before

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juski:

stage1 gentoo doesn't count

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juski:

it's either this or get driven to distraction with another theme

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juski:

speaking of which... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/245664

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stuarta:

must be new theme month

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juski:

elkin-wide is far from new.. it's been in the works for ages

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xris:

juski: really need to get a theme downloader hooked into mythtv. heh.

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juski:

xris: I'll do a patch to force blootube on everybody

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juski:

muhahahaha

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xris:

juski: I'd vote for blootube as the new default.

[20:00:34]

juski:

it'll be sponsored by Kingston, purveyors of big memory modules

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stevenh:

i'd second that

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xris:

juski: is it that bad?

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stevenh:

better than G.A.N.T.

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stevenh:

what does that stand for?

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xris:

juski: first, I'd like to see myth get auto-detection of wide/std, though

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xris:

stevenh: it's based on a set of icons someone drew for osx..

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juski:

xris: blootube-wide was killing my minimyth frontend @ 720*576 & that has 512MB

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xris:

no idea what it stands for, though

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xris:

juski: wow

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xris:

haven't had any trouble on my 512M mythbox with the non-wide

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juski:

you wouldn't

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juski:

its watermarks are much smaller

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xris:

non-wide is better?

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xris:

ahh

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juski:

so are the ones in blootubelite-wide

[20:02:58]

juski:

was looking in the source the other day & at the qt gl stuff in general.. looks like it (qt gl) can support svg out of the box

[20:04:41]

juski:

got to thinking about apple's iTV ui & how myth would accomplish similar effects (I'm not fussed about bling but plenty others are).. bitmaps would be way too hungry I think

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jams:

heh my frontend couldnt run blootube-wide at 1920x1080, after about 3 minutes the frontend out just be killed due to lack of memory

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juski:

I had issues with the frontend locking up going into plugin settings menus due to the ram usage

[20:07:09]

juski:

works great with the lighter version so it's my new fave

[20:08:19]

juski:

so that makes er.. 5 GUI themes I've done & only one I can bear to use myself. that's way too much commitment

[20:08:40]

Scopeuk:

juski you are clearly mad ;-)

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kormoc:

mad like a fox!

[20:10:32]

** juski watches the lfs live cd verify **

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Scopeuk:

gl

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juski:

interesting... "I would love a new kid-friendly theme"

[20:13:22]

Scopeuk:

could be interesting

[20:13:28]

juski:

mythdora the explorer!

[20:13:35]

Scopeuk:

the "fisher price my first myth theame"

[20:13:51]

juski:

that was <name deleted> already

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Scopeuk:

what we use to call one of the sig gens at school

[20:14:18]

Scopeuk:

looked like fisherprice made it

[20:14:27]

Scopeuk:

big coloufull knobs and buttons

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gardengnome:

if i did a mythtv theme for kids, it would have subliminal porn messages o/

[20:14:45]

Scopeuk:

thatsbecouse your a twisted indevidual

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** Scopeuk pretends to hodl the morla high ground **

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juski:

everything on TV in Germany has subliminal porn messages though

[20:15:31]

gardengnome:

juski: even the porn channels?

[20:15:41]

juski:

lol

[20:15:45]

juski:

maybe not those

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Scopeuk:

*comment deleted*

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rsdvd:

juski : how did your distro go? have you built the perfect linux for S100 now?

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mkrufky:

what is, "S100" ?

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mkrufky:

oh, wow.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-100_bus

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[Jasper]:

hello guys

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juski:

mkrufky: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/s100/

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[Jasper]:

juski you think it's possible to totaly change the mythtv layout?

[20:32:21]

[Jasper]:

instead of only colours and stuff :p

[20:32:26]

juski:

[Jasper]: why?

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[Jasper]:

just wondering

[20:32:42]

juski:

it is up to a point

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[Jasper]:

I was just looking at the iTV

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[Jasper]:

I love what they have done with the music album pictures

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juski:

boo hoo

[20:33:08]

[Jasper]:

yeah, but still

[20:33:11]

[Jasper]:

they made a nice layout

[20:33:13]

juski:

yeah

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juski:

but NO

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[Jasper]:

no what? not possible?

[20:33:40]

juski:

mythmusic needs to be looked at, everybody agrees about that

[20:33:51]

mkrufky:

juski: ah! that makes so much more sende ;-)

[20:33:53]

mkrufky:

sense

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[Jasper]:

juski but why not do mythvideo in the same style :P

[20:34:11]

juski:

it'll take more than a few theme tweaks to make mythmusic into what it should be

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[Jasper]:

:P

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gardengnome:

like, usable?

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[Jasper]:

I was affraid of that

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Dagmar:

It'll take something like a sensible user interface

[20:35:13]

juski:

hey where's erm.. dude who said he was gonna start cracking on with mythmusic gone, since he said he was gonna do it?

[20:35:35]

[Jasper]:

?

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[Jasper]:

:P

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gardengnome:

juski: he prolly went postal

[20:35:41]

juski:

I said I was gonna do some mockups for a new UI for mythmusic but there've been too many other interesting things to do

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Dagmar:

Jesus if someone else would code it *I* would do operational mockups

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[Jasper]:

what is it actually coded in?

[20:36:49]

Dagmar:

C++

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Dagmar:

And Qt

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juski:

lfs have GOT to be kidding

[20:37:14]

Dagmar:

With a little Violent Chainsaw Sodomy thrown in to take the edge off

[20:38:12]

juski:

can't use minimyth stuff.. not smart enough to use slack.. damnit

[20:39:08]

Dagmar:

Dude you really can use Slack

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gardengnome:

juski: rock linux? might be a PITA, though ;)

[20:40:14]

Dagmar:

juski: I've been using Slackware as my primary desktop since the early 90's. I'm not kidding when I say there's not much about it I can't tell you

[20:40:46]

Dagmar:

Desktops, servers, firewalls, fileservers, service boxes, kiosks... all with Slackware.

[20:41:25]

Dagmar:

You might want to download the CD images now that you have the DVD.

[20:41:44]

juski:

eh?

[20:41:58]

Dagmar:

CD1, or just disksets A, AP, N, D, K, L, and Y (of course) will get you the basics of what you want

[20:42:08]

Dagmar:

Adding X to that is pretty trivial

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stuarta:

ahhh, up to date with -dev.....

[20:43:33]

stuarta:

only taken me 4 days

[20:43:37]

juski:

yeh but what I've been wondering is.. how to get rid of stuff I don't want later on & how to check which I need

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Dagmar:

A for the base, AP for simple console apps (some of which you can cull, but the menu is small enough to do through "expert" mode, D for the compiler (skip certain parts of gcc, like the java compiler, fortran, etc), K for the kernel, some (most) of N for networking, Y for fortune (gotta have it), L for libraries by the ton (I can show you a way to find nonessentials)...

[20:44:47]

Dagmar:

juski: Well, you can check what you need the easy way by doing an ls /var/log/packages and emailing it to me at evildagmar aherm gmail dot com (darn spambots) and I can point out what each bit is being used for

[20:44:58]

Dagmar:

You've done enough theme work you deserve a good chunk of help from people

[20:45:28]

juski:

awesome :)

[20:45:57]

Dagmar:

There's also a programmatic way I've been hacking together that I could probably turn into a one-shot perl script to isolate the things which aren't being used by anything to cull back most of L, but I know just about every package and what it does by heart

[20:46:26]

juski:

maybe I've just been thinking too far ahead

[20:46:39]

juski:

get me walking first eh

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Dagmar:

Side note, writing dependency resolution code is not too far from self flagellation

[20:46:57]

Fifth:

Anyone know which section I can find VIDEO_TUNER and VIDEO_TVEEPROM in the kernel?

[20:46:58]

juski:

heh. I've seen the output of ldd

[20:47:05]

Dagmar:

I don't use ldd.

[20:47:07]

Dagmar:

I use readelf

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Dagmar:

Ldd includes too much crap

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juski:

righty

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Dagmar:

Particularly it shows you crap that dependencies themselves are dependent on

[20:47:35]

juski:

anyway my brain needs a rest. gonna watch some 'shameless'

[20:47:39]

Dagmar:

No problem

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juski:

thanks for the offer – rest assured I'll take you up on it

[20:48:01]

Dagmar:

I'm off work the next three days, so I've got a bit more free time for hacking on Linux than usual

[20:48:15]

Aurelius:

buh

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Dagmar:

...aside from the usual six hours of not a damn thing happening at work when I am at work

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Dagmar:

Maybe in another month I'll be able to run that perl script pointed at mythfrontend and it will just spill out which packages are absolutely needed. ;)

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Cyberai:

if I just run an update on my system to go to myth2.0 and it upgrades my mysql, is it going to hose my database?

[20:58:40]

Cyberai:

will it change my database setup, usernames etc?

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Fifth:

Anyone know which section I can find VIDEO_TUNER and VIDEO_TVEEPROM in the kernel? I followed the guide on ivtv, enabled as a module, Conexant 2388x (bt878 successor) support but still dont see Tuner or TV Eeprom options anywhere

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Dagmar:

Fifth: It's under the Video4linux stuff

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Dagmar:

Fifth: Just go in there and turn everything on as modules

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Fifth:

Dagmar, everything? or just encoders/decoders section?

[21:05:32]

Dagmar:

I *think* just the Encoders and Decoders section is necessary, those two symbols don't directly tie to one particular module IIRC

[21:06:03]

Dagmar:

I'm looking at the menuconfig here right now hoping to rememebr something more specific

[21:06:14]

Dagmar:

Either way, it's not like extra modules take up more RAM or something

[21:06:33]

Dagmar:

You can afford to "paint with a broad brush" in that section of the kernel config

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mick-w:

hey all :)

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mick-w:

anyone in here used minimyth before?

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Fifth:

Dagmar, right just have to load only the modules I need

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Dagmar:

Fifth: *You* don't have to load anything. udev handles all that for you now.

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Dagmar:

Any hardware it sees, it will load the correct driver for.

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mick-w:

juski: you around?

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Fifth:

Dagmar, still dont see VIDEO_TUNER or the other =/ I can always edit the .config manually I suppose just annoying I cant get it to show up in menuconfig

[21:13:48]

Dagmar:

There is no one object you turn on to enable that

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Dagmar:

If you add it to the .config manually without what would have turned it on, it will simply ignore it

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BULLE:

Fifth: have you enabled i2c and other stuff that is needed aswell ?

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mkrufky:

VIDEO_TUNER is automatically selected if the driver needs it — it is an invisible kconfig option

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mkrufky:

same goes for VIDEO_EEPROM, Fifth

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Dagmar:

If you doubt this you can look at /usr/src/linux/drivers/media/Kconfig

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Fifth:

BULLE, Dagmar guess I haven't found the right combination with VL41_COMPAT

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mkrufky:

Fifth: if you're using a recent kernel, i also recommend that you build cx88-blackbird ---- that will select VIDEO_CX2341X , which is also needed by ivtv

[21:17:46]

Dagmar:

No, you just have yet to do what I said

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Dagmar:

Go in there and turn a buncha stuff on as modules.

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Fifth:

Dagmar, I did that

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Fifth:

Dagmar, told you

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mkrufky:

Fifth: dont look for those in kconfig — they are invisible

[21:18:08]

Dagmar:

If you want one specific driver that will make it happen, then turn on the Bt848 driver

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Dagmar:

No you didn't. You gave me every indication that you were going to just turn on the stuff in Encoders and Decoders

[21:18:28]

mkrufky:

(cx88-blackbird is a better choice, since ivtv requires cx2341x.ko)

[21:18:52]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: Please don't argue with people who actually maintain the stuff you're talking about ;)

[21:19:02]

Dagmar:

You need to err on the side of excess because if you've been so conservative you've left *those* things by the roadside, there's probably going to be more things you've left out

[21:19:23]

Fifth:

Dagmar, nope I turned on everything in Device Drivers -> Multimedia as modules (except Video 4 linux and Video 4 linux 1 compat which are both non-modules)

[21:19:28]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: Argue about what? I'm looking at drivers/media/video/bt8xx/Kconfig right now and I can see where it seelcts it

[21:20:18]

Dibblah:

Okay. Whatever.

[21:20:29]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: If you doubt it look at your own

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Fifth:

Dagmar, guess i can module out Broadcasting and USB stuff too

[21:21:02]

Dagmar:

Fifth: Dude, don't tell me you're putting lots of stuff directly into the kernel.

[21:21:07]

Dagmar:

Is that what you've been doing?

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Fifth:

Dagmar, of course not

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Fifth:

Dagmar, I'm not an idiot

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Fifth:

Dagmar, I told you only Video4Linux and Video4Linux 1 compat are direct

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mkrufky:

for the record, it will work compiled in-kernel just fine

[21:21:42]

mkrufky:

although i too, prefer modules

[21:21:46]

Dagmar:

Like, right now I'm going through mine turning things OFF to see where it make it actually go away

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Dagmar:

s/make/makes/

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Fifth:

so you have all the USB and broadcasting stuff enabled too?

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Fifth:

as modules?

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Dagmar:

I wasn't quite *that* lazy about it. I don't haev the things I'm 100% sure I'll never use, like USB devices and those cards you only see in $10,000 kits

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doc___:

hi there

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Dagmar:

DABUSB driver is definitely not one of them

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Tuomaz:

Hi

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Tuomaz:

Anyone having problems with eit-data and character encoding?

[21:26:31]

Dagmar:

Literally the *moment* I enable the bttv module I get CONFIG_VIDEO_TVEEPROM and CONFIG_VIDEO_TUNER in my .config, with *everything else in the video4linux section off* so it's got to be something else you've killed off

[21:27:00]

Fifth:

Dagmar, where is the bttv module?

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Dagmar:

No kidding. I just stripped everything from the v4l section and saved, checked the config, no VIDEO_TVEEPROM, went back in, enabled just the Bt848 driver and it's back

[21:27:30]

Dagmar:

Video Capture Adapters, BT848 Video For Linux

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Dagmar:

Kinda right there at the top

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mick-w:

whats the standard ntp server for linux – presuming there is one? :P

[21:30:47]

Dagmar:

Basically, the ntp.org one

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mick-w:

cheers mate

[21:31:05]

Fifth:

Dagmar, thx I got it...guess have to use the deprecated V4L1 to get it to work

[21:31:23]

Dagmar:

Fifth: That seems odd because I didnt' enable it here, but whatever makes it work

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mkrufky:

i must be invisible or something

[21:31:38]

Fifth:

Dagmar, yah its weird, when I use the compat version, BT848 doesn't show up

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sipsniffa:

hi, "scan for channels" on my mythtv-setup fails to find any channels, but dvb-utils package's scan finds most available channels

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mkrufky:

u are doing this so that you have the required dependencies for ivtv? just enable cx88 / cx88-blackbird ... that will select the i2c drivers that you need

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sipsniffa:

anyone help?

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Dagmar:

mkrufky: eh? I'm still trying to find what is keeping me from disabling I2C

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mkrufky:

hmm

[21:32:28]

** mkrufky look **

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mkrufky:

s

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Dagmar:

Yeah, he'll definitely need SAB3036 tuner and possibly Philips SAA7134 support as well, which is why I was on about "turn 'em all on"

[21:34:23]

Dagmar:

I don't even see the cx88 driver over here, I gotta be lookin' in the wrong place for it

[21:35:02]

mkrufky:

Dagmar: why does he need those? i thought this was only for the ivtv dependencies?

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sipsniffa:

anyone know where to get more information about failed channel scan in mythtv-setup?

[21:35:26]

mkrufky:

anyway..... some of the v4l drivers SELECT I2C_ALGOBIT, which probably depends on I2C

[21:35:34]

mkrufky:

so that might explain it, Dagmar

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stuarta:

sipsniffa: what's it do??? or not as the case may be...

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sipsniffa:

well...

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sipsniffa:

let me run a scan now...

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sipsniffa:

and i'll let you know what the output is

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Dagmar:

I could have sworn the phillips tuner module was used by it

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sipsniffa:

"no signal"

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sipsniffa:

this is strange as scan from the dvb-utils package finds channels

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stuarta:

try ticking the box that says ignore signal timeout

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Dagmar:

Oh wait, the Philips saa7113 stuff under E&D's...

[21:38:06]

stuarta:

or increasing the timeout on the card

[21:38:15]

Dagmar:

Heh. Like I've said, I just flip 'em all on under therre

[21:38:20]

sipsniffa:

ok, one mo, will give that a try

[21:38:51]

Dagmar:

What ivtv specifically wants changed a bit the last several versions anyway

[21:39:01]

** stuarta is getting bored with this movie "Princess Monokoke" **

[21:39:38]

gardengnome:

stuarta: how did you like "school of rock"?

[21:39:45]

Dagmar:

stuarta: Then you're probably not going to make it to the end then

[21:39:56]

stuarta:

Dagmar: only 20mins to go...

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stuarta:

1.35x timestretch, thats about 14mins.

[21:40:37]

stuarta:

gardengnome: wasn't bad...

[21:40:40]

mkrufky:

Dagmar: i blame VIDEO_HELPER_CHIPS_AUTO

[21:40:50]

mkrufky:

it's all due to that change ... worst change ever

[21:41:12]

stuarta:

even the name 'VIDEO_HELPER_CHIPS_AUTO' sounds nasty

[21:41:29]

mkrufky:

the author of that patch deserves the "should be shot" award

[21:41:43]

mkrufky:

Linus already gave it to the guy last year, lol

[21:41:51]

stuarta:

hah! 20mins = 1.5mins and an awful lot of credits!!!!

[21:42:00]

stuarta:

mkrufky: same guy?

[21:42:25]

mkrufky:

http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/3/21/486

[21:42:27]

mkrufky:

yes, lol

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mkrufky:

i nack'd this patch but it was merged anyway :-(

[21:43:01]

stuarta:

he should put "least likely to be a proper programmer" down on his cv...

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stuarta:

hell, rip it out...

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mkrufky:

lol

[21:43:29]

mkrufky:

i cant... i have to play politics or else my patches wont be merged

[21:43:40]

mkrufky:

this stuff can be so annoying sometimes

[21:43:40]

stuarta:

oh well

[21:44:48]

stuarta:

wtf did I record "the nightmare before christmas"??? maybe it's a tim burton.... :/

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mkrufky:

anyway .... bottom line... for ivtv module dependencies, just turn off VIDEO_HELPER_CHIPS_AUTO, then select VIDEO_CX88_BLACKBIRD and VIDEO_SAA7115

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mkrufky:

VIDEO_TUNER and VIDEO_EEPROM should continue to be automatically selected

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mkrufky:

ah, also select VIDEO_CX2584X

[21:45:38]

mkrufky:

(or VIDEO_CX25840) — i forget

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stuarta:

yep, it's a tim burton...

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gardengnome:

stuarta: that movie is great.

[21:46:12]

mkrufky:

gosh, then i also forgot VIDEO_MSP3400 and VIDEO_WM8739

[21:46:30]

mkrufky:

stuarta: i like that line... im gonna use that

[21:46:35]

mkrufky:

"its a tim burton"

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stuarta:

gardengnome: i'm a big fan of tim burton :)

[21:47:04]

stuarta:

mkrufky: sounds a bit like "a barry crocker"

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mkrufky:

betty croker's husband who cant cook?

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stuarta:

it's ryhming slang 'a barry crocker' = 'a shocker'

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** stuarta ESPELL **

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** stuarta is liking this film **

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mkrufky:

lol

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sipsniffa:

stuarta: i cranked up the signal and tuning timeouts on the dvb card and...

[21:54:47]

sipsniffa:

found channels when scanning

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sipsniffa:

:-)

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sipsniffa:

stuarta: thanks

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stuarta:

woot!

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sipsniffa:

?

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stuarta:

cool

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sipsniffa:

didn't pick up all the channels tho

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sipsniffa:

yes

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sipsniffa:

have just installed myth...

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stuarta:

rescan a few times, should pick them all up eventually

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sipsniffa:

previously a windows install and got more channels

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sipsniffa:

ok

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sipsniffa:

will give it a try

[21:57:08]

sipsniffa:

would further increases in timeout be likely to improve matters?

[21:57:28]

stuarta:

no, it's something we fixed after 0.20

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sipsniffa:

so do successive scans accumulate channels?

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** stuarta is now bored with this movie **

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sipsniffa:

i.e. are channels on previous scans retained?

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stuarta:

sipsniffa: yes, unlike your STB it doesn't delete the channels when you start a new scan

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sipsniffa:

ok

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sipsniffa:

btw: stb?

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stuarta:

Set Top Box

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Fifth:

there a special frequency to use for everybody when doing ivtune -f ? Or is 264 what it always should be?

[21:59:12]

sipsniffa:

ok, thanks stuarta, will give it some more scans!

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mick-w:

hey – anyone in here running minimyth?

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sipsniffa:

stuarta: just reading back, u say fixed after 0.20...

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stuarta:

yup

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sipsniffa:

i'm running 0.20 – ubuntu install

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sipsniffa:

just did an apt-get

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mkrufky:

juski: is that S100 powerful enough for 1080i mpeg decoding and deinterlacing?

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stuarta:

that'll be the latest released version. it's fixed in svn

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sipsniffa:

can i work around it with 0.20, or would you advice checking out of svn?

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stuarta:

just keep scanning till you get em

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sipsniffa:

cool, thanx

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Lorian:

Hi, I have a backend/frontend machine in the living room, and a second frontend on my computer. I was watching something, and my parent were watching something else (2 TV tuners), but at the end of the shows (both finished at the same time), pictures on both TVs just froze and I had to go back to the menu and back to the TV again to get it to work. Anyone have any idea why it might have done that?

[22:12:09]

Lorian:

No one?

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Agrajag-:

got logs?

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Lorian:

I have the mythfrontend output from my computer, there are 3 lines of this: [mpegts @ 0xb7645890]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94212 !

[22:13:17]

Lorian:

I will chack teh backend log

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Lorian:

Hm, there are various mpeg2video and mpegts errors, but I don't know how recent they are

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dilano:

anyone know how to disable the Display Power Management feature in FC6?? Its beginning to lock up my WHOLE system once it starts

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stuarta:

Lorian: ignore them

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Lorian:

The codec errors?

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stuarta:

dilano: xset s off

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stuarta:

Lorian: yes

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Lorian:

Hm, scrolling up there are a ton of these: 2007-01–11 22:03:50.787 LiveTV forcing JumpTo 1

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Lorian:

Not sure if that has anything to do with it

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stuarta:

dilano: i'm sure there's also an option you can put in your xorg.conf

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SeaWeed:

any 1 in here useing a Twinhaun 1027 card

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x86:

hey guys i decided to get a PVR-500

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x86:

now i need a video card with TV out, what do you guys recommend?

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mkrufky:

SeaWeed: something tells me that you dont actually card if anybody is USING that card.... surely you have a different question

[22:39:08]

x86:

nvidia?

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x86:

ATI?

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mkrufky:

nvidia works very well with myth

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SeaWeed:

Well yah ? was what support should i turn on in v4l for it

[22:41:33]

mkrufky:

you can even get one of those old fx5200 cards, works great on my mythfrontend, even for deinterlacing 1080i

[22:41:49]

mkrufky:

SeaWeed: the driver for that card has not yet made it into the kernel

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SeaWeed:

I thought same support for ( DST-1000 & Vision 1020a ) Would run it but i guess i was wrong

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mkrufky:

SeaWeed: it isnt even in the subsystem tree yet

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mkrufky:

SeaWeed: you have to use the developer's personal repository if you want that card to work

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mkrufky:

SeaWeed: ...and his server seems to be down right now :-(

[22:43:07]

SeaWeed:

ok ill have to search and see if i can find it

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SeaWeed:

ok

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mkrufky:

that uses the mantis chipset, right?

[22:43:15]

xris:

mkrufky: more importantly, ati doesn't work very well with linux.

[22:43:18]

SeaWeed:

lol figures

[22:43:22]

mkrufky:

the developer's name is Manu Abraham

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x86:

mkrufky: my budget is $100

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xris:

x86: nvidia 5200 or 6200

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x86:

xris: cool thanks

[22:43:45]

xris:

x86: if all you need is tv-out for mythtv, you shouldn't need to spend more than $40 or so

[22:43:58]

mkrufky:

x86: i tend to stress positives instead of negatives ... my own style i guess

[22:44:08]

mkrufky:

but you're right, of course

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x86:

xris: i want to be able to run Beryl too ;)

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SeaWeed:

Well could not get a Twinhan 102a to work either Can you shed some lite on what i Should select in v4l for it

[22:44:38]

xris:

x86: so it's not for a dedicated mythbox. then just pick a good nvidia card.

[22:44:44]

x86:

xris: i'm not sure what kind of AGP slot I have on my mobo

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x86:

xris: how can i tell if the AGP slot on my board will fit the card?

[22:45:24]

kormoc:

just perhaps check the motherboard manual?

[22:45:46]

xris:

x86: more importantly, make sure that it *is* an agp slot and not pci-e

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SeaWeed:

(mkrufky) Well i have Those Mod's loading Fine but Still Dont Load The Card Not Shure Why

[22:46:23]

SeaWeed:

But Thanks

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x86:

xris: oh i know it's not pci-e haha

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x86:

xris: it's a fairly old Tyan board... supports only like 2.4ghz Intel cpu

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xris:

x86: bios or manual should tell you the agp speed

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mkrufky:

SeaWeed: maybe u need a newer kernel?

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x86:

xris: well i know it's at least 8x

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SeaWeed:

yah im building new 1 now

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SeaWeed:

2.6.20-rc4

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x86:

xris: but do these cards support more than that? or are there different types of slots?

[22:48:37]

SeaWeed:

rc3 working great on my other box's

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mkrufky:

SeaWeed: yeah, i dunno... u might want to ask manu

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kormoc:

x86, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGP

[22:49:07]

SeaWeed:

but they have ( Nexus-s / DST-1000 / Vision 1020a )

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mkrufky:

(he's been mia for the past while... dunno where he went)

[22:50:07]

mkrufky:

SeaWeed: i just googled the 1020a and users say it works

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x86:

ok what about an eVga e-Geforce FX6200 LE?

[22:50:32]

juski:

r3m0t: the irony is you don't need a powerful cpu to record HD :)

[22:50:37]

r3m0t:

I'm having problems with my wireless USB (WG111v1) + ndiswrapper because the driver is 32-bit

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SeaWeed:

well my vision 1020a works but twinhan 102a dont

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x86:

256MB ram on it... decent?

[22:50:38]

mkrufky:

r3m0t: its worth it cuz otherwise you arent using what u paid for

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mkrufky:

SeaWeed: oh! google foesnt know anything about the 102a

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dilano:

256 of ram for 2d video display?!?!!?

[22:51:07]

SeaWeed:

lol

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juski:

it's time to burn a slack cd

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r3m0t:

mkrufky: but unless it will run slower in the "non-native" 32-bit, I would hardly care (rationally)

[22:51:26]

mkrufky:

juski: i was just wondering if that s100 thing can do a good job with 1080i mpeg decoding and deinterlacing?

[22:51:36]

juski:

nah

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Milosch:

when i hear S100 i think of the old bus structure from the 70s

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dilano:

Decent, yes.. Overkill, I would tend to think so

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juski:

it can just about play 720p, dropping the occasional frame

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mkrufky:

r3m0t: im power hungry... if i have good equipment, i'll damn well be sure to use its maximum potential

[22:52:11]

mkrufky:

juski: ah, ok

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** mkrufky closes that window **

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mkrufky:

lol

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juski:

celeron 733 playing back HDTV unassisted. that'd be slashdotted to hell & back

[22:52:52]

mkrufky:

hehe yeah it would

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juski:

dihh that!

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Milosch:

my step dad had an altair, that's what they called the bus

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juski:

rich stepdad eh? ;)

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Milosch:

i guess

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Milosch:

just a kit when he got it i'm sure

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r3m0t:

mkrufky: that's very nice... does it make any noticable difference? *rolleyes*

[22:53:59]

mkrufky:

:-P yes

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mkrufky:

r3m0t: im always building code from source, so yeah i notice the difference

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Milosch:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-100_bus

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mkrufky:

anyway, time for me to disappear

[22:54:31]

mkrufky:

have a good one, guys

[22:54:34]

r3m0t:

well, if anybody can recommend a USB wireless card which works on 64-bit, please do

[22:54:36]

juski:

Milosch: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/s100

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Milosch:

who makes that?

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juski:

catch you later mkrufky

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r3m0t:

juski: on that topic, my dad switched from ntl to sky HD almost on an impulse. is it possible to record the output? (HDMI/S-Video/RGB through SCART)

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r3m0t:

mkrufky:

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juski:

Milosch: I forget but it's supplied as part of a 3-play package from t-online in Germany

[22:55:54]

juski:

r3m0t: lol. you must be joking

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Milosch:

ah

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r3m0t:

(whoops, sorry hand slipped)

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Milosch:

i'm sure the naming cooincidence wasn't lost on them

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Milosch:

coo?

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Milosch:

hmm

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juski:

anyway – a £50 a month impulse? wheee

[22:56:44]

r3m0t:

juski: they aren't using HDCP yet, and the WP pages on SCART don't definitively say it can't carry HD :P

[22:56:57]

r3m0t:

juski: that's £45 minus the old ntl subscription

[22:57:02]

juski:

best you'd do is grabbing svideo from it.. hd downscaled to sd

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juski:

so no mythtv $ky HD for you (or anybody else)

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juski:

HDMI is only like 15Gb/sec, so good luck finding a cpu fast enough to encode that on the fly

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r3m0t:

oh yeah... *!@$ silly me :)

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juski:

how fast can PCI express go again?

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r3m0t:

OTOH it's 720p or 1080i so not quite 15Gb/sec

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x86:

well i need a card with the DVI output I can hook up to my TV

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x86:

I dont want to use s-video

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x86:

what is that? DVI-I?

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juski:

DVI-I is digital and analogue in a dvi connector

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x86:

ok

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x86:

well my TV has a DVI input for something or other ;)

[23:00:18]

x86:

what do i need to connect to it?

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juski:

backwards compatible with VGA .. ish

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juski:

x86: a vga card with a DVI output and a DVI cable

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r3m0t:

PCI Express is 4 GB/s in a 16x slot (apparently you can get a 32x slot...)

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x86:

juski: then do i need a specific resolution and sync rate so i dont blow up my TV? :)

[23:01:19]

juski:

r3m0t: so maybe you could get the data across the bus fast enough

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juski:

but that'd be about all

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x86:

juski: and does it matter if it's DVI-I or not?

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juski:

x86: shouldn't be able to blow up your TV if it's a flat panel

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x86:

juski: projection

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r3m0t:

juski: or maybe a hardware encoder on the PCI Express card. Also, PCIe 2.0 will double the bandwidth

[23:01:58]

juski:

if it's not a CRT you should be fine

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x86:

juski: ok, does it matter if it's DVI-I or not?

[23:02:14]

juski:

r3m0t: hardware encoder?! with linux drivers?

[23:02:16]

juski:

rofl

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Honk:

what's the best way to fine-tune my channels? :P

[23:02:29]

r3m0t:

Honk: error and trial?

[23:02:43]

Honk:

with mythtv?

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r3m0t:

juski: OK, OK.

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juski:

x86: if your TV has DVI-I it'll accept DVI from a vga card just fine

[23:02:54]

Honk:

restarting the app each time? prolly not

[23:03:02]

juski:

Honk: eh?

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r3m0t:

Honk: xawtv can do it I think

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juski:

use mythweb.. or.. da da daaaaaaaaaa the OSD channel editor (maybe)

[23:03:44]

Honk:

that's what i was asking for :]

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r3m0t:

ok... so bas

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Honk:

how do i access that? :p

[23:04:48]

Honk:

never mind, found the wiki page :)

[23:04:50]

r3m0t:

basically I need to either re-install Ubuntu and go 32-bit, or get a new card? (is this /not/ the right place to get this advice?)

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juski:

Honk: press M. frickin heck

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Xanium4332:

yo

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x86:

juski: so it doesnt matter if the card is DVI or DVI-I then?

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juski:

r3m0t: I was asking about 64-bit vs 32-bit the other week... I was told there's not even 10% performance gain to be had

[23:06:45]

Honk:

juski: how'd that help me? :P

[23:06:48]

juski:

x86: it'd probably only output dvi-d

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x86:

k

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Xanium4332:

juski: it's because nothing has been coded to take advantage of 64bit

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x86:

juski: but it Will Work(tm) :)

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kormoc:

r3m0t, none of the ndiswrapper cards work?

[23:07:17]

Honk:

the channel editor is on E, not M :P

[23:07:18]

juski:

Honk: in livetv... press M then bring up the channel editor. sheesh

[23:07:19]

r3m0t:

juski, Xanium4332: sounds perfect! I guess I'll downgrade

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Xanium4332:

because at the moment everyone still want's to support 32bit

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juski:

Honk: ahhh

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Honk:

and it doesnt allow finetuning at all :]

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Xanium4332:

which means programs can't be optimised

[23:07:34]

juski:

shows you how much I use analogue tv then

[23:07:35]

r3m0t:

kormoc: I only have WG111v1 available to try it... and the driver from the website

[23:07:36]

Honk:

<Honk> never mind, found the wiki page :)

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Honk:

all it allows is editing the name 'n stuff

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Xanium4332:

64bit is good addressing large amounts of memory

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juski:

Honk: looks like mythweb is the one for you then

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juski:

and lots of trial & error

[23:08:16]

Honk:

or xawtv after all, if i can get it to work

[23:08:37]

Honk:

Xanium4332: running in 64bit mode is good, cuz amd64s will give ya some extra registers ;)

[23:08:40]

juski:

yeah but.. does xawtv report its fine-tuning numbers in the same format as mythtv?

[23:08:45]

Xanium4332:

yeh

[23:08:52]

Honk:

mythtv uses the frequency

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Honk:

in khz :]

[23:09:10]

Honk:

shouldnt be too hard to find those

[23:09:12]

juski:

Honk: there's a finetune column in the channel table too

[23:09:28]

Honk:

channel table? mythweb? :]

[23:09:30]

r3m0t:

Xanium4332: I only have 2GB of memory... can't imagine putting more than 4GB in

[23:09:37]

Honk:

doesnt help much, if i have to restart the livetv each time

[23:09:45]

juski:

Honk: you don't

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juski:

just change channel then back again

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Xanium4332:

yeah, 64bit allows accessing like terabytes work

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Honk:

same thing

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Xanium4332:

worth*

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Honk:

that doesnt help at all to see which is better

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juski:

Honk: ah well. guess you'll have to use a different pvr app then

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r3m0t:

Honk: if you can't see which setting is better, why do you care about it?

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r3m0t:

(I just blasphemed over the (audio|video)philes I suspect)

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juski:

on my old bttv card I'd be able to get a channel tuned perfectly but the others would all be off.. it was pure shite

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Honk:

r3m0t: i can prolly see it, if i dont have to wait like 10 seconds between seeing the images

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r3m0t:

Honk: fair nuffs

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Xanium4332:

anyone know what type of deinterlacing mytharchive does to make video for a DVD

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troyf:

has anyone here setup a ps3 as a front end for mythtv?

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juski:

Xanium4332: it doesn't

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Xanium4332:

hmm

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Xanium4332:

it must do

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Xanium4332:

cause I recorded a film

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juski:

troyf: it'd have been dugg & all over slashdot by now if someone had

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Xanium4332:

off Freeview, which was interlaced

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troyf:

oh?

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troyf:

the wiki sais it has been done

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Xanium4332:

used mytharchive to put it on a DVD

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Xanium4332:

and the interlacing is gone

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Xanium4332:

I can tell cause the OSD flickers on interlaced video (with BOB deinterlacing)

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juski:

Xanium4332: DVDs can be interlaced

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Xanium4332:

I know

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troyf:

i'm just curios about the performance with it being a framebuffer only device

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juski:

it shouldn't be deinterlacing

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Xanium4332:

but myth isn't deinterlacing the video

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juski:

troyf: which wiki?

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kormoc:

Xanium4332, that's the point...

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Xanium4332:

and it's not striping at all

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troyf:

mythtv wiki

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Xanium4332:

so what is deinterlacing the video?

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kormoc:

Xanium4332, given DVD's can be interlaced or not, myth just burns the files as is

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Xanium4332:

yeah

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kormoc:

Xanium4332, your player would

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Xanium4332:

but I'm using mythDVD

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troyf:

acually, it said they were running it as a frontend and backend

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Xanium4332:

sry, shud have mentioned that

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troyf:

but there is no other information included

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kormoc:

Xanium4332, it could be getting mis-identified

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Xanium4332:

but it look's perfect

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juski:

Xanium4332: maybe mythdvd is deinterlacin it for you

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Xanium4332:

it can't be, because the OSD doesn't flicker

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juski:

heh

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kormoc:

or perhaps the OSD got fixed?

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juski:

that's no cert

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Xanium4332:

(and I use BOB deinterlacing)

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kormoc:

what's the playback engine you are using?

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juski:

my osd doesn't flicker using BOB

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troyf:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Choosing . . . laystation_3

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Xanium4332:

juski: not even a little

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Xanium4332:

?

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juski:

Xanium4332: nope

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Xanium4332:

how

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stuarta:

mine does

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troyf:

i have yellow dog linux installed on a 10gb partition

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Xanium4332:

juski: what's ur refresh rate

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troyf:

but i don't know about compiling from source

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juski:

Xanium4332: 50Hz I think

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Xanium4332:

exactly?

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kormoc:

does 0.20 even work as just a framebuffer anymore?

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juski:

Xanium4332: I dunno. I don't dig into minimyth very deeply if it just works (tm)

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Xanium4332:

how do u link ur box to ur tv

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kormoc:

Xanium4332, he's UK, so it's likly 50hz, aye

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juski:

Xanium4332: svideo

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r3m0t:

does anybody know about NEVO SL's UPnP functionality working (or not) with mythtv?

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Xanium4332:

juski: and u have BOB deinterlacing turned on

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juski:

Xanium4332: yes

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juski:

I didn't expect the bloody Spanish Inquisition!

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Xanium4332:

and doesn't flicker / jump or anything a single bit

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Xanium4332:

sry

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Xanium4332:

just

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kormoc:

that's cause noone expects the spanish inquisition!

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Xanium4332:

I've never heard of someone not getting flicker with BOB

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juski:

ffs Xanium4332 look I told you already

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Xanium4332:

and I've been trying for months

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Xanium4332:

I knw I knw

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kormoc:

you could switch from bob if it's that much of an issue...

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Xanium4332:

I better download minimyth then

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juski:

maybe it's because I'm using via xvmc

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Xanium4332:

yeah but BOB's the only deinterlacer with decent framerate

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Xanium4332:

oh yeha I got XvMC working

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kormoc:

I actually don't de-interlace, as I'm outputting to a tv, which happens to handle it fine

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Xanium4332:

and it don't make any noticible difference

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juski:

bob is only to be used if you use xvmc afaik

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** kormoc nods **

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juski:

on my little s100 I found kernel deint worked best

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Xanium4332:

kormoc: yeah but I have a HD system, working of a 1280x720@50p modeline

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Xanium4332:

I can't get any interlaced modelines to work

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juski:

and on that the GUI didn't flicker either

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Leebier:

anyone have an idea why my IRblaster seems to fail to properly change the channel ONLY WHEN TRYING TO RECORD ONE PARTICULAR SHOW?

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Leebier:

i am franky baffled

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Xanium4332:

I find the kernel deint just doesn't give enough framerate

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Leebier:

it can change to the channel properly when recording OTHER shows on that channel, just not this one

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juski:

Xanium4332: even bbc news24's ticker looked perfect

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juski:

if sideways scrolling text looks great, the deinterlacer is doing a good job, believe me

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Xanium4332:

with kernel, I must have a configuration problem...

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troyf:

when running mythtv as a front end using a framebuffered X server the playing video somtimes stutters and lags

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troyf:

are there any quick fixes for this

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Xanium4332:

the only time the ticker looks good for me is with BOB

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Xanium4332:

but then it's a little jumpy

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juski:

Xanium4332: if you're using nvidia & their tvout try nvidia-settings to steady the flicker

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Xanium4332:

I'm not using TV out

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juski:

other than that make an adapter to go from VGA to SCART & hope to god the driver supports an interlaced modeline

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Xanium4332:

just a DVI connection

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IamEthos:

does the XMLTV-Offset option actually modify or process the data that is downloaded, or does it just display it relative to my current timezone?

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juski:

Xanium4332: try an interlaced video mode then

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Xanium4332:

I have, I can't get any that work with my TV

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Xanium4332:

I'll keep trying tho

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juski:

ach well

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juski:

I'm going to bed. g'night all

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kormoc:

night!

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r3m0t:

night night juski

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r3m0t:

thanks for all the fish

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MadRush:

anybody have trouble with an x86_64 trying to get a happauge 150 working with ivtv?

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IamEthos:

hello

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IamEthos:

how do I get old listings out of the myth database?

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IamEthos:

I am using a different provider now, and I'm getting their listings, but I'm also getting all of the old ones still

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stuarta:

IamEthos: you just want to delete your old program data?

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stuarta:

IamEthos: go into mysql and run "delete from program", then re-run your grabber

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