Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, January 10th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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juski_:

irssi on the s100 !

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sandeen:

momelod, good luck, that's what took me the longest time to work out :)

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momelod:

sandeen :)

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dilano:

Sandeen, you still there?

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momelod:

what was your problem? maybe the same applies to my setup?

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sandeen:

in the end I realized my cpu is probably slightly underpowered but with xvmc things generally are working ok

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sandeen:

momelod, I also enabled the realtime threads, that seemed to help

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sandeen:

as well as fiddling with the audio setup, extra buffering etc

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dilano:

I'm guessing so :)

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momelod:

u ran as root?

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sandeen:

dilano, yes :)

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dilano:

would the lircd.conf and lircmd.conf files be the same?

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sandeen:

momelod, in the end yeah I just ran it as root, i'm not really worried, if someone gets on the lan in my house i'm in trouble already :)

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sandeen:

dilano, they are for different purposes

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sandeen:

you don't need lircmd.conf, I think that's for a remote mouse

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Milosch:

i wonder if xvmc would help

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dilano:

gotcha

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momelod:

okay, but when u played back the recordings outside of mythfrontend. were they choppy aswell?

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dilano:

so the lircd.conf is the "remote" file

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sandeen:

momelod, trying to rememeber....

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sandeen:

dilano, yes

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sandeen:

momelod, I used mplayer to play with it but can't remember how it compared

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sandeen:

I did find that with the null audio output the video was much smoother, so that sent me down the path of trying to reconfigure my audio

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sandeen:

made sure I was using alsa devices, etc

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juski:

wow slack has a package manager?!

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dilano:

hmm, actually got a ok when I did a /sbin/service lircd start

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sandeen:

juski, I thought it was called "tar?" :)

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juski:

it's more user-friendly than I had it down as

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juski:

sandeen: lol so did I

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juski:

well I've got my first building block in place so I'll call it a night on that

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sandeen:

juski, what are you building?

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** sandeen waits for his ext3 oops to come around again **

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juski:

sandeen: if I'm up to it, a slack-based myth frontend distro (ish) for my T-online s100 box

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sandeen:

that must be some yoo-ro-pean thing? :)

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sandeen:

neato

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momelod:

sandeen: so if my cpu was to slow to decode mpeg-2 then wouldnt i experience slow playback inside and outside of mythfrontend?

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sandeen:

momelod, well there is that

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sandeen:

yeah, if external players work just fine then....

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sandeen:

i've not had a whole lot of luck figuring out how to diagnose my performance problems

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momelod:

just trying to figure out if i should explore this further, wanna record the hockey game in 20 minutes :D

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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sandeen:

heh

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Beirdo:

how odd

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sandeen:

momelod, well you can record it just fine right, worry about the play back later :)

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momelod:

good point

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Beirdo:

my transmitter circuit charged up, then completely discharged

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momelod:

thanx for tips

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momelod:

g'night all

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juski:

sandeen: ickle 733 celery in a set top box size package. not as diddy as the msntv2 but still nice

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Beirdo:

I don't get it, I didn't tell lirc to transmit

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juski:

Beirdo: serial ports disabled?

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Beirdo:

not to my knowledge

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Beirdo:

it's my laptop

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juski:

Beirdo: hrm. I mean setserial...

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Beirdo:

it put out 12.75V differential between RTS and TX

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Beirdo:

ah, yes, I did do that ;)

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juski:

ah okees

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Beirdo:

I thought you meant bios-wise

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Beirdo:

heh

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juski:

I think I know why zenslack went with devfs

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Beirdo:

the 7805 was outputting a nice 4.973V

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juski:

hotplug takes for frickin EVER

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Beirdo:

the capacitor charged to about 4V, then rapidly discharged.

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juski:

Beirdo: like I said you could always skank off of a USB 5V pin til you know where you're at

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sandeen:

juski, devfs, run away!

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Milosch:

anyone know why my nvidia sucks? Maybe it just does...

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

possibly

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Beirdo:

the odd thing is, there seemed to be voltage drop across the LED, but it wasn't supposed to be on

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juski:

Beirdo: we've had issues with serial-powered ttl-rs232 converters at work on laptops.. not enough drive

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Zider:

Milosch: compared to what? ;P

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Beirdo:

I hope the freaks didn't code it to be always on...

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Milosch:

Zider: compared to my PVR-350

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juski:

Beirdo: transistor the wrong way round?

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Beirdo:

heh, don't think so

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juski:

we were talking about this at work today – why manufacturers feel a need to have a million different NPN pinouts

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Zider:

Milosch: well, because the nvidia is a card with an optional tuner, and the pvr350 is a "dedicated" tuner I guess?

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Beirdo:

but I guess that's a possibilit

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Beirdo:

y

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Milosch:

it's just the video output that is a problem, i am still using the 350's tuner

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Beirdo:

I have a 2n4401 in there, let me see

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Zider:

my gf2mx does video output just nicely :P

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juski:

Beirdo: maybe not a high enough base resistor ... turning on too easily

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juski:

Zider: lucky you. mine was a PoS with its chrontel tv encoder

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juski:

g'night all

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Zider:

'nite poopy

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cecil:

rest well

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Zider:

;)

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nero:

has anyone here had troubles getting mythzoneminder to compile?

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nero:

(in SVN)

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IA-Outdoors:

anybody know how to verify a serial port is working? I'm trying to get the remote commands working and figured I'd start by verifying the port is even working. Is there a way to listen to a serial port and throw data at it to verify it is working?

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IA-Outdoors:

remote commands = remote control commands

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DMJC:

I heard the music player interface was getting redesigned has that been done yet?

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IamEthos:

hey.

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IamEthos:

how do I refresh the channel listings for a new cable provider?

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IamEthos:

I was in one city, now i'm in another one with completely different channel assignments

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IamEthos:

I tried mythfilldatabase --refresh-all --do-channel-updates

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IamEthos:

to no avail

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madd_matt:

Uh, that should work....

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madd_matt:

Are you using Zap2it? Did you update what city you want listings for?

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IamEthos:

madd_matt, yep

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madd_matt:

Well then I haven't a clue :P

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sandeen:

maybe mysql jujitsu to purge out the old channel listings :)

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IamEthos:

madd_matt, when I first started using Linux, I hated that everything was texted based configuration

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IamEthos:

now Myth is making me hat gui configuration.

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IamEthos:

*hate

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madd_matt:

I switched to linux because I had the text based configuration :P I hate ubuntu because it doesn't like it when you use command line config :P

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Honk:

<IamEthos> now Myth is making me hat gui configuration. <-- just mess with the mysql database *g*

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Honk:

.. i certainly do when i need to set up my channels :]

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sandeen:

IamEthos, I concur :)

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DVBMark:

RingBuf (dirstuff): Waited 1.0 seconds for data to become available... Checking to see if there's a new livetv program to switch to..

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DVBMark:

That normal?

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DVBMark:

not truly causing much issue but wanted to make sure I am supposed to get that all the time

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Inssomniak:

how do you guys recommend setting the clocks between a backend and a frontend? you using some sort of net service?

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xris:

Inssomniak: ntp

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xris:

which you should theoretically be using on all computers.

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Inssomniak:

ok

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Inssomniak:

I am using that now,just continually trying to debug my daily livetv lockups...

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xris:

time shouldn't matter

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Inssomniak:

well I gathered the problem lies right when a program ends, and a new one begins (as the EPG shows them), myth has to "jump" from the recording to the "new" recording, and thats where it fails

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jams:

if the time is off by a lot, it would cause that problem

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jams:

if it's less then a minute you should be ok

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Inssomniak:

its less than a second

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jams:

highly doubt thats the problem then

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Inssomniak:

its beyond me to fix, exteremely hard to debug, and highly annoying

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jams:

Inssomniak- I assume it's a remote frontend that has the problem?

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Inssomniak:

yea 2 remote frontends on diff machines both have the problem

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sandeen:

Inssomniak, what locks up

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sandeen:

the whole box or just myth?

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Inssomniak:

nothing "locks" up, just livetv stops with a flood of "LiveTV forcing jumpto 1"

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Inssomniak:

in the logs/console

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sandeen:

oh

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sandeen:

no idea then. you said lockups so....

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jams:

Inssomniak- using NFS? if so one thing you can try is to unmount the NFS share on the remote frontend. This will force the myth to stream the data.

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Inssomniak:

I have not set up any NFS shares, all the recordings are on the backend and afaik they are being streamed

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jams:

ok

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jams:

then try NFS =)

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Inssomniak:

I dont get how that would work?

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Inssomniak:

what am I sharing?

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Inssomniak:

so then I tell my frontend something different? like to read recordings from nfs share?

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Inssomniak:

instead of streaming them?

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jams:

setup the s ame dir structure on both be and fe

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jams:

if the frontend sees the file local, it will use it instead of asking the BE to stream it

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wireddd:

is there a way to bind my previous channel button so that it will do what it is supposed to

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Inssomniak:

ok, so my backend uses a dir "/LiveTV" so I NFS this to the frontend as "/LiveTV" and the frontend will first look there for it, before streaming it from the backend?

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jams:

wireddd- the H key works as a previous channel button

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jams:

you just need to setup lirc to send H whenever you press prev channel

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jams:

Inssomniak- yes that is how it should work

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Inssomniak:

ok thanks for the info, Im at wits end and will try anything..

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Inssomniak:

my network is "HUB" based right now, but a new switch will be here in a day or so

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Inssomniak:

is this how most ppl are running a seperate fe/be combo? is with the NFS or other network share?

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IA-Outdoors_:

anybody here know where I can learn how to get my directv tuner working with the hauppauge remote?

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IA-Outdoors_:

just need to figure out wtf to do

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IA-Outdoors_:

hrm, looks like lirc isn't setup right

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jams:

Inssomniak- mostly nfs. Some use samba but not many that I know of

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GreyFoxx:

I nfs mount my recordings dir to all my frontends, always have since my first seperate frontends

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IamEthos:

if I change the time offset for my program guide, do I have to redownload it?

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wega__:

HELP! I just updated my system to the latest and greatest for all packages and now my cursor has disappeared

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Inssomniak:

is it advantageous to mount them as NFS and not have the backend stream it?

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Inssomniak:

I just assumed that was the way it was supposed to work

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wireddd:

wega__, you use your mouse in mythfrontend?

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wega__:

no no

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wega__:

i am starting over though and need the mouse for a bit

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wireddd:

you would probably be better off asking in a channel specific to your distro

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wega__:

after the initial yum -y upgrade it is just gone

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wega__:

ok i will thanks

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IamEthos:

where is the time offset for channel listings/

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Sakui:

what's the success rate on the ATI Theater 550 Pro?

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Inssomniak:

This problem has been seen to exhibit itself with LiveTV failing to transition from one program to another. The cache file attribute prevents the frontend from opening the new file promptly.

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Inssomniak:

right off the web page.....

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Inssomniak:

jams I might just kiss you

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jams:

hope it works for ya

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Sakui:

is it even supported?

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euphobot:

any mac mini frontends here?

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CCFL_Man:

directv has a back to the future comercial

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CCFL_Man:

damn i love back to the future

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Inssomniak:

Could not bind to UDP notify port: 6948

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Inssomniak:

anyone know what the above means on a fe?

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sandeen:

Inssomniak, might mean the port is in use

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Inssomniak:

whats the port used for?

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sandeen:

Inssomniak, not sure :)

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sandeen:

mythphone I think

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sandeen:

hmm and others

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Zider:

does mythtv work with mysql5?

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sandeen:

Inssomniak, it's mythnotify

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sandeen:

ge->setHelpText(QObject::tr("During playback, MythTV will listen for "

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sandeen:

"connections from the \"mythtvosd\" or \"mythudprelay\" "

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sandeen:

"programs on this port. See the README in "

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sandeen:

"contrib/mythnotify/ for additional information."));

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DVBMark:

Anyone setup MythWeb on another server than the Myth Backend? If so, have you gotten the streaming to work, I assume by mounting the share the recordings are on, just not sure exactly how to go about it cuz filenames are different

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DVBMark:

Ok next question lmao, Anyone do much of the transcoding via Myth? I assume it will take a recording done, and then convert it into the format specified and settings and such as you set in Recording Profiles?

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chehgarg:

hey guys, had a quick question. just picked up a hauppauge 150. I just swapped out my POS old tvtuner and popped it in, but i don't know how to configure it for Ubuntu. any suggestions?

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chehgarg:

hey guys I just slapped ina new 300G HD for more storage. I partitioned half for windows and wanna make a fat32 partition for ubuntu, but I can't seem to see it when I DF, and don't see it in Fstab... what should I do?

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Agrajag-:

err you want fat32 for ubuntu?

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chehgarg:

well so I can share it with the windows partition

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chehgarg:

if not, i'll do EXT3 but I can't even find out how to find the drive so I can format it properly

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Agrajag-:

run dmesg and grep for something

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Milosch:

argh

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Milosch:

myth box won't run the frontend anymore

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Milosch:

mythfrontend: Fatal IO error: client killed

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chehgarg:

hey ummm i can get static with mplayer, but tvtime says it can't initialize the card

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chehgarg:

is that a permissions issue or something?

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chehgarg:

trying to isntall the hauppauge pvr-150 btw

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Milosch:

do you have the ivtv drivers installed and loaded?

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chehgarg:

yes, i followed a tutorial i found online

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Milosch:

ls -l /dev/video* and hopefully you see a few things listed

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Milosch:

video0 in particular

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crudpuppy:

also do a dmesg | grep ivtv and look at the output

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chehgarg:

yes video0 cideo24? and video 32

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chehgarg:

i mean video24

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crudpuppy:

yeah, video 24 and 32 = the compsoite etc

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chehgarg:

ahhh

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crudpuppy:

0 = tuner

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chehgarg:

crudpuppy, funny user-friendly character

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crudpuppy:

yeah

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crudpuppy:

lol

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crudpuppy:

chehgarg, what output do you actually have hooked up?

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crudpuppy:

on the 150 that is

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chehgarg:

i have a coaxial rabbit ear antenna hooked up (i'm at work)

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chehgarg:

and a xbox360 hooked up to the composite

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crudpuppy:

lol, don't expect to get much then

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crudpuppy:

lol

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chehgarg:

tvtime says it has an invalid arguement

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chehgarg:

i don't want much, jsut some noise and static, then i can bring it home and get cable :)

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crudpuppy:

k, do a pastbin of "dmesg | grep ivtv"

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chehgarg:

ivtv0: Unreasonably low latency timer, setting to 64 (was 32)

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crudpuppy:

ignore that

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chehgarg:

ivtv0: Initialized Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150, card #0

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crudpuppy:

don't paste it all here

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chehgarg:

sorry

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crudpuppy:

http://pastebin.ca/

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chehgarg:

i was only doing it a line at a time, things i thought that were relevant

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crudpuppy:

ah

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crudpuppy:

did you see a tuner is not set line?

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chehgarg:

i don't see anythign that screams, error, or not set

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crudpuppy:

hmmm

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crudpuppy:

yeah pastbin it so I can see

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chehgarg:

http://pastebin.ca/311705

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crudpuppy:

looks like ivtv is seeing your card fine

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crudpuppy:

exactly what error is tvtime giving you?

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chehgarg:

ivtv: invalid arguement .... Cannot open capture device /dev/video0

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crudpuppy:

hmmm

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crudpuppy:

lets see you could try ivtv-tune -c 7 or what ever number is an actual station there

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crudpuppy:

or

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chehgarg:

http://pastebin.ca/311710

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crudpuppy:

cat /dev/video0 > somefile

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crudpuppy:

and then mplayer somefile

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chehgarg:

mplayer can see it

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crudpuppy:

yeah, well mplayer doesnt try to tune it

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crudpuppy:

so when you do a ivtv-tune what happens?

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chehgarg:

tvtime cannot. now i had a POS card in here before got it working... but i jsut upgraded to this because they say it's easier, will take some laod off my cpu, yadda yadda yadda

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ShiftyPowers:

wow just install a KWorld ATSC-110 card

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ShiftyPowers:

so easy

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ShiftyPowers:

and good quality

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chehgarg:

/dev/video0: 175.250 MHz (Signal Detected)

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ShiftyPowers:

i recommend that card for whoever wants a cheaper HDTV tuner

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crudpuppy:

thats good

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chehgarg:

yes it is :)

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crudpuppy:

chehgarg, so tvtime still doesnt like you though

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crudpuppy:

hmmm

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chehgarg:

correctamundo

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Sakui:

has anyone got the ATI Theater 550 pro to work?

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chehgarg:

you think apt-get remove tvtime then reinstall would help any?

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chehgarg:

oh btw crudpuppy, i notived there is no sound

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crudpuppy:

chehgarg, you never know, but I doubt it....you have of cource cold booted at least once after putting the ivtv drivers on and all right?>

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chehgarg:

i have not... maybe i should?

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crudpuppy:

no sounds on the mplayer either?

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chehgarg:

correct

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crudpuppy:

yeah try a could boot

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crudpuppy:

cold

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chehgarg:

brb

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crudpuppy:

they say something about it resets something or another

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crudpuppy:

lol

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chehgarg:

still no progress :(

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chehgarg:

i got video with mplayer, just got some static reception of a commercial.. it was for Happy Feet

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chehgarg:

no sound tyhough

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crudpuppy:

lol

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crudpuppy:

well the cards working then...its recognizing it or the video devices wouldnt be there

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crudpuppy:

its prolly NOT a permissions issue o muplayer wouldnt ge tto it

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crudpuppy:

dern, I'm drawing a blank here

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chehgarg:

i wish tvtime was a bit more informative about it's error

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crudpuppy:

lol, I wish alot of programs were

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crudpuppy:

hehe

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chehgarg:

hehe

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crudpuppy:

but then I just switched to a gentoo install

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chehgarg:

ok... lets hold off on that for a second, can you help me get a hardrive partition up for storing my media?

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crudpuppy:

and all is well

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chehgarg:

i put in a 300g , half windows, and half for linux... but i can't find it

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crudpuppy:

can't find it?

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crudpuppy:

you new to linux?

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chehgarg:

yeah i tried df... but i guess because it is not formatted yet it's not lsited

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chehgarg:

i'm semi-new

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crudpuppy:

df only lists mounted partitions

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chehgarg:

i'm... noob-ish

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chehgarg:

yeah and it's not listed in fstab either

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crudpuppy:

what is mounted now? you 1/2 linux or none of the partitions?

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chehgarg:

and i'm sued to regular debian, nto this ubuntu crud

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crudpuppy:

or you've got 2 hds 1 that its running on 1 new?

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chehgarg:

i'm using the HD that i installed ubuntu on. i put a harddrive in there physically, after the install

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crudpuppy:

ah

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crudpuppy:

so 2

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crudpuppy:

goto /dev

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crudpuppy:

and type ls hd*

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chehgarg:

actually there are 3, but two are in use, one is the new one

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crudpuppy:

well prolly hdc too if you have a cdrom

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crudpuppy:

oh

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chehgarg:

one is a sata, the other are IDE, some are split, some aren't

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crudpuppy:

oh

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chehgarg:

http://pastebin.ca/311720

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chehgarg:

new one is IDE

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chehgarg:

crudpuppy that pastebin place is awesome

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crudpuppy:

lol

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crudpuppy:

yeah its very helpfull

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chehgarg:

i posted my df so you can see what i have and compare it to my listing of HD*

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crudpuppy:

k, you've got your primary hd with 2 partitions 1 is mount to root and 1 to /media/hda1 and your sata drive doesnt look too have but 1 partition and its mount to /media/sda1

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crudpuppy:

so that leaves your new hd as being hdb

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crudpuppy:

with only one partition?

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chehgarg:

thats what i was thinking

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crudpuppy:

fdisk /dev/hdb

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chehgarg:

so HDB, should be half windows already, with remaining space waiting to become linux storage

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crudpuppy:

and you can change your parititions around

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crudpuppy:

its not

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crudpuppy:

the partition either isnt created at all and its just free space or you put the whole drive as windows

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crudpuppy:

fdisk should be informative

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crudpuppy:

just do a fdisk and print the parition table should show you a good bit

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crudpuppy:

man these are the basics

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crudpuppy:

:-P

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chehgarg:

yeah well it's all to make you feel good about yourself :)

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chehgarg:

/dev/hdb1 1 21672 174080308+ 7 HPFS/NTFS

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crudpuppy:

how big is that drive?

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chehgarg:

300Gigs

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crudpuppy:

ok, so that is all that show'd when printing partition table?

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chehgarg:

yessirre

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crudpuppy:

you've got space on the drive without a partition

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crudpuppy:

create one now

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crudpuppy:

and then you can format and mount as you please

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crudpuppy:

think you can handle that?

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crudpuppy:

or need a step-by-step ?

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crudpuppy:

no offence ment

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crudpuppy:

:-)

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chehgarg:

don't need no one to hold my hand :P

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crudpuppy:

hehe

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chehgarg:

i cna do the fdisk, just gonna need help on setting up automount

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chehgarg:

umm one question though, to make the media see-able to windows can i choose : c W95 FAT32 (LBA) safely?

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crudpuppy:

ah thats easy just look at your /etc/fstab and copy your others

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chehgarg:

or woudl you reccomend a different filesystem?

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crudpuppy:

fat32 is fine, but not really great for regular use on your media

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crudpuppy:

don't do ntfs though as linux has a bad time with it still

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crudpuppy:

that only really matter when you create the fs

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chehgarg:

oh yeah? so what would you recommend? jsut plain old linux

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sandeen:

so here's a Q... when watching a show that is being recorded, when the recording ends I get an error. That seems unexpected.... thoughts?

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crudpuppy:

well fs type is a huge debate that I'm not getting started

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crudpuppy:

lol

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sandeen:

I understand that the file i was watching ended...

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Zider:

fuse-ntfs can read and write ntfs just fine iirc

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crudpuppy:

but they say jfs and xfs is optomized well for it

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Zider:

crudpuppy: reiserfs works pretty well too

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sandeen:

optimized for what, myth in general?

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crudpuppy:

hmmm

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crudpuppy:

they say to stay away from reiser on myth I thought

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crudpuppy:

sandeen, yes

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crudpuppy:

media large files etc

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chehgarg:

i made a thingy saying : /dev/hdb3 21673 36483 118969357+ 5 Extended

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sandeen:

honestly i don't think mythtv stresses any filesystem that much...

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chehgarg:

but i don't think thats right

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Zider:

I use reiserfs everywhere :P

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crudpuppy:

Zider, I use it on my devel machine didnt feel like going fancy on my myth just did plain on ext3

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crudpuppy:

safest

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crudpuppy:

lol

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crudpuppy:

see what did I say I didnt mean to start a fs debate

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crudpuppy:

lol

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chehgarg:

crudpuppy, fixed that. gonna edit fstab :) soon

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Zider:

crudpuppy: no debate, just stating opinions

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crudpuppy:

chehgarg, cool

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crudpuppy:

Zider, really they are all opinions

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crudpuppy:

everyones usage is slightly different

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Zider:

xfs looks rather interesting, so I'll probably try it out on my next install..

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Zider:

or, next hdd format

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chehgarg:

crudpuppy, don't yell at me... but what would it's mountpoint be when edit fstab?

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crudpuppy:

lol

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crudpuppy:

chehgarg, depends on where you wanna mount it dont it?

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crudpuppy:

lol

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chehgarg:

well i figured if it didn't exist yet, it;d break

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crudpuppy:

you need to create the directory to mount it to by the way ;-)

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crudpuppy:

it won't break...just wont mount it

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chehgarg:

type would be what... linux-ext?

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crudpuppy:

depends on what filesystem you put to it

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crudpuppy:

you did do make a filesystem on it right?

[04:08:24]

chehgarg:

oh yeah yeah...........no

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chehgarg:

i hit w, and exited

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crudpuppy:

not sure of the commands on your distro

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chehgarg:

it was a fdisk option

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chehgarg:

to write and then exit

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crudpuppy:

mine its like mkfs.something

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sandeen:

you guys are talking about 2 different things

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crudpuppy:

depending on the filesystem you choose

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crudpuppy:

chehgarg, yeah that got your parition setup

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crudpuppy:

not the filesystem itself

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crudpuppy:

like fat etc

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chehgarg:

so how about mkfs.ext3 /dev/hb3 that would work?

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sandeen:

no, because there's no such device as /dev/hb3 :)

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chehgarg:

damn

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sandeen:

/dev/hdb would work though :)

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sandeen:

er

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sandeen:

/dev/hdb3

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crudpuppy:

if you want ext3 (linux only)

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sandeen:

dangerous typo :)

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chehgarg:

oh ok

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crudpuppy:

didnt you say something about window compatibility?

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sandeen:

actually you can read ext3 under windows & osx

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sandeen:

and bsd...

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crudpuppy:

dern I'm out of the loop on some of this fs stuff

[04:11:23]

crudpuppy:

when they heck did windows start reading ext3?

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chehgarg:

/dev/hdb3: Invalid argument passed to ext2 library while setting up superblock

[04:11:33]

sandeen:

there has been some dll or other since forever

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crudpuppy:

wait

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crudpuppy:

chehgarg, you sure its not hdb2

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** sandeen decides to stay out of this one **

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chehgarg:

told me to choose anumber between 1 and 4

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chehgarg:

i chose 3

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crudpuppy:

omg

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crudpuppy:

chehgarg, thats not the same

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chehgarg:

uhoh

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crudpuppy:

do a ls /dev/hdb*

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sandeen:

noooo

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sandeen:

fdisk -l /dev/hdb

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sandeen:

to see what partitions you have

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crudpuppy:

sandeen, he has two

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crudpuppy:

1 windows 1 linux

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crudpuppy:

or will be linux

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sandeen:

the presence of a device file doesn't necessarily tell you whether you have a partition

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crudpuppy:

he was just in fdisk

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sandeen:

*shrug* ok carry on

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crudpuppy:

just created the new partition

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crudpuppy:

chehgarg, you confused yet?

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crudpuppy:

lol

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crudpuppy:

what does?

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sandeen:

fdisk -l says that

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chehgarg:

yes thats what fdisk says

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sandeen:

there is a linux newbies channel around here somewhere.... :)

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chehgarg:

crudpuppy crudpuppy

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crudpuppy:

what?

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chehgarg:

crudpuppy /dev/hdb3: Invalid argument passed to ext2 library while setting up superblock

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sandeen:

did you reboot like it told you after you ran fdisk?

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sandeen:

try: grep hdb /proc/partitions

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crudpuppy:

lol

[04:15:51]

chehgarg:

it did not say to reboot

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crudpuppy:

what sandeen said

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chehgarg:

3 67 1 hdb3

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chehgarg:

is what grep gave me

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chehgarg:

gonna reboot

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crudpuppy:

actually I thought it did say that....when changing parition tables most times you will need to cycle

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sandeen:

ok, well, if you see that in /proc/partitions then .... it's already there. oh well.

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crudpuppy:

wonder if he'd freak it I werent here when he came back

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crudpuppy:

lol

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sandeen:

ah the long, proud tradition of handing out rope for the self-hanging

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kormoc:

change your name to notcrudpuppy

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crudpuppy:

lol

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dustpuppy:

lol

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sandeen:

chehgarg, ok so you didn't have to reboot if you found hdb3 in proc partitions the kernel already knew about it :)

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chehgarg:

okay back.

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sandeen:

but anyway

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chehgarg:

yeah, same error

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chehgarg:

maybe try ext2?

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DVBMark:

Anyone know anything about the Ringbuffer? I see a patch that changes float secs_min = 0.1 to float secs_min = 0.5 was wondering if anyone could comment on whether they think it would make a difference on prebuffering messages and such

[04:20:21]

sandeen:

mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb3 fails?

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kormoc:

DVBMark, the ringbuffer is only for live hdtv

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DVBMark:

which I do kormoc

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kormoc:

DVBMark, ahh. donno if it might help or not, sorry

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** sandeen notes the DVB part of the nick :) **

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DVBMark:

I get the problems with sd as well but just wanting to cure it for what I can lol

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DVBMark:

np man

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DVBMark:

thanks for responding

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IamEthos:

so, I did mythfilldatabase --refresh-all --do-channel-update

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kormoc:

chehgarg, try mkfs.ext2 /dev/hdb3 ?

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IamEthos:

and it got all of my new channels

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kormoc:

sandeen, doesn't mean it's HD :P

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IamEthos:

but also kept my old channels

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sandeen:

kormoc, ok ok :)

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DVBMark:

anyone do any transcoding of your recordings?

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crudpuppy:

bbl

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sandeen:

chehgarg, so you've piqued my curiosity here, can you put the fdisk -l output and also output from "strace -o somefile.txt mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb3" in a pastebin somwhere

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DVBMark:

have any recommendations on the settings? I have never been a big understander of all the bitrate stuff and such heh but want decent quality but to downsize a lot. preferrably mpeg4 unless you have a reason to use the rtjpeg thing

[04:24:13]

chehgarg:

sandeen i changed it to hdb2 ... but here is the fdisk output http://pastebin.ca/311738

[04:25:27]

sandeen:

oh ok you probably didn't haveto reboot since this disk isn't in use

[04:25:41]

sandeen:

ok so where's the strace output?

[04:25:53]

chehgarg:

sandeen http://pastebin.ca/311743

[04:26:41]

sandeen:

chehgarg, you got the same "invalid argument" when you tried it?

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** sandeen thinks this is supposed to be quite simple **

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chehgarg:

yes i did sandeen

[04:27:22]

sandeen:

hmm i think your file is truncated

[04:27:28]

sandeen:

only 33 lines?

[04:27:35]

kormoc:

yeah, it's very truncated

[04:28:12]

sandeen:

chehgarg, search for that "invalid argument" message and paste a the several lines before that, up to at least the thing that includes "= EINVAL"

[04:28:51]

sandeen:

eh just send me that 300gb drive, it's broken ;)

[04:29:04]

** sandeen missed his chance to get 300G cheap @outpost.com **

[04:29:41]

kormoc:

320's are around $90 on newegg :P

[04:29:51]

sandeen:

oh really?

[04:29:54]

sandeen:

i'll have to look

[04:30:02]

sandeen:

outpost had 300G IDE seagate for $90

[04:30:07]

kormoc:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822136003

[04:30:14]

kormoc:

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200KS 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive – OEM

[04:30:19]

kormoc:

$89.99

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chehgarg:

mybad sandeen http://pastebin.ca/311747

[04:31:17]

sandeen:

bah nothing returned EINVAL in there!

[04:31:22]

kormoc:

uname({sys="Linux", node="Godslayers", ...}) = 0 <-- HA!

[04:31:34]

sandeen:

:D

[04:32:04]

kormoc:

chehgarg, can you run mkfs.ext2 and see if it still bombs?

[04:32:10]

sandeen:

chehgarg, out of curiosity what version, mkfs.ext3 -V

[04:32:16]

chehgarg:

damn, for some reason when i try to ue mythtv with the new hauppauge 150 card i installed it says " Mythtv is using all the inputs already for that channel..." but i jsut came from a fresh reboot :(

[04:32:34]

kormoc:

chehgarg, it could have started recording as soon as it powered on

[04:32:46]

chehgarg:

mke2fs 1.39 (29-May-2006)

[04:32:53]

sandeen:

kormoc, any idea if you can get nicer behavior when watching a show as it records, and the recording ends...

[04:32:55]

sandeen:

right now I get an error

[04:32:59]

sandeen:

chehgarg, ok that's reent

[04:33:17]

kormoc:

sandeen, huh, it shouldn't... What error?

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sandeen:

unexpected video error or soemsuch... sorry will have to write it down next time

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kormoc:

sandeen, aye, and what version of myth are you using?

[04:33:52]

sandeen:

0.20

[04:33:56]

sandeen:

from atrpms

[04:34:11]

chehgarg:

same thing invalid arguement when i try mkfs.ext2

[04:34:15]

kormoc:

sandeen, hum. let me know the error, and I'll peer though it

[04:34:26]

chehgarg:

ok, lets scratch this HD thing.... i gotta get the capture card working again

[04:34:28]

kormoc:

chehgarg, can you strace mkfs.ext2?

[04:34:33]

kormoc:

heh

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chehgarg:

i checked DMESG, and crudpuppy agrees the pvr-150 looks to be working fine, but tvtime doesn't work with it, mplayer does, and mythtv is saying all inputs are in use

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kormoc:

chehgarg, tvtime / xawtv / ktv are all for framebuffer cards, so they won't ever work with the 150

[04:35:41]

** sandeen finds where that error comes from... **

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ShiftyPowers:

guys, is there a way to force a certain card to always be card 0 in ALSA?

[04:35:59]

kormoc:

chehgarg, can you check the status page in mythfrontend and see if myth thinks it's recording?

[04:35:59]

ShiftyPowers:

whenever i reboot it's a crapshoot between all the other cards to see which one ends up as card 0

[04:36:08]

sandeen:

strace isn't gonna be too much more interesting

[04:36:11]

chehgarg:

http://pastebin.ca/311750 strace for ext2

[04:36:12]

ShiftyPowers:

i'd rather not keep having to edit .asoundrc every reboot

[04:36:16]

sandeen:

we should take it to #ext2 ;-)

[04:36:56]

chehgarg:

kormoc thanks for the tip on framebuffer cards, so how do I wtahc regular tv without mythtv on that type of card then?

[04:37:01]

sandeen:

chehgarg, recent kernel too?

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chehgarg:

and how do i check the status?

[04:37:09]

kormoc:

chehgarg, you can't really.

[04:37:12]

chehgarg:

2.6.17–0

[04:37:31]

kormoc:

chehgarg, Information -> system status -> tuner status

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chehgarg:

kinda sucks... but as long as I get mythtv going, worry abotu the rest another day... almost time to get out of here

[04:37:37]

kormoc:

chehgarg, in mythfrontend

[04:38:11]

sandeen:

i think possibly it might be getting the wrong size for the device

[04:38:54]

sandeen:

just as a sanity check, does dd if=/dev/zero of=fsfile bs=1m count=100; mkfs.ext3 -F fsfile work?

[04:38:56]

chehgarg:

it's saying it can't connect to the backend, and ip address thing... but i just restarted it

[04:38:59]

sandeen:

(that may be "bs=1M"

[04:39:22]

kormoc:

chehgarg, well, you need to fix that before you can watch tv :P

[04:39:56]

chehgarg:

but it was all working the other day on my framebuffer card. only difference is this new card

[04:40:11]

kormoc:

chehgarg, did you re-run mythtv setup and change the card type?

[04:40:27]

chehgarg:

yes, i selected the pvx option

[04:40:49]

chehgarg:

and i shutdown the backend before i went into mythtv-setup

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kormoc:

chehgarg, can you run mythbackend in a terminal window and see what it outputs

[04:41:56]

chehgarg:

Problem with capture cards: Card 1failed init

[04:41:56]

chehgarg:

ERROR: no valid capture cards are defined in the database.

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kormoc:

heh

[04:42:06]

chehgarg:

sorry, didn't know it'd be two lines

[04:42:10]

kormoc:

try re-running mythtv-setup

[04:42:12]

kormoc:

delete all the cards

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kormoc:

and readd

[04:42:21]

chehgarg:

AND /home/mythtv/store//nfslockfile.lock: Permission denied

[04:42:21]

chehgarg:

Unable to open lockfile!

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chehgarg:

ok

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sandeen:

chehgarg, to see how big your partition is can you grep hdb2 /proc/partitions one more time

[04:44:00]

sandeen:

want to try something

[04:44:17]

sandeen:

i wonder if libext2 is miscalculating something on the size

[04:44:30]

sandeen:

I look after ext2/3 for a distro so i'd like to get to the bottom of this :)

[04:45:21]

chehgarg:

sandeen 3 66 1 hdb2

[04:45:50]

chehgarg:

yeah when i ran fdisk it did not ask me what size, only what sector to isntall the new partition on

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sandeen:

uhhh hmm I think the size is 512 bytes...?

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** sandeen looks at that fdisk output again **

[04:46:38]

** kormoc blinks **

[04:46:40]

chehgarg:

whats the option in fdisk to set the size?

[04:46:44]

** kormoc laughs **

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sandeen:

ohhh that's the extended partitions

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chehgarg:

i looked at the help

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kormoc:

chehgarg, what fdisk are you using?

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sandeen:

/dev/hdb2 21673 36483 118969357+ 85 Linux extended

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chehgarg:

fdisk v2.12r

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sandeen:

crap, never underestimate a newbie ;-)

[04:47:22]

sandeen:

sorry :)

[04:47:29]

chehgarg:

luke skywalker was a n00b

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sandeen:

that is an extended partition, it's just a container

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kormoc:

ooh, heh

[04:47:59]

sandeen:

damn it's a good thing I don't do direct customer support for a living :D

[04:48:13]

chehgarg:

haha

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kormoc:

I never used extended partitions, all my drives have less then 4, so they're all primary

[04:48:45]

chehgarg:

so apparently i did the fdisk thing wrong?

[04:48:51]

sandeen:

yeah...

[04:48:53]

chehgarg:

I RTFM'd

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chehgarg:

dmanit

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sandeen:

you can make another partition inside that extended partition

[04:49:06]

sandeen:

or, delete it and make a primary partition

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chehgarg:

ok i'll try that

[04:49:58]

kormoc:

if you just run fdisk /dev/sdb

[04:50:03]

kormoc:

it gives you a menu interface

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sandeen:

or hdb in this case :)

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kormoc:

heh, aye

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chehgarg:

ok deleted and started over, made it a primary... it's writing now

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** sandeen hits his other more complicated ext3 bug while we waited :D **

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Nem^1 is now known as Nem^

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chehgarg:

same result when i made it a primary

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sandeen:

no....

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sandeen:

i don't believe you :)

[04:53:54]

sandeen:

what does /proc/partitions say now

[04:53:57]

sandeen:

for hdb2

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chehgarg:

3 66 1 hdb2

[04:54:28]

sandeen:

same deal

[04:54:30]

DVBMark:

Kormoc is gonna laugh at me on how much I jump around heh, Anyone using mythgame? if so what packages did you put on for best results for the emulators

[04:54:36]

sandeen:

fdisk -l probably still says extended?

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kormoc:

chehgarg, what did you type in for the size?

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kormoc:

chehgarg, +120G ?

[04:55:02]

chehgarg:

/dev/hdb2 21673 36483 118969357+ 83 Linux

[04:55:06]

chehgarg:

i never typed ina size

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kormoc:

chehgarg, uhh

[04:55:17]

chehgarg:

it asked me what sector to end the partition at

[04:55:27]

chehgarg:

i jsut chose the default

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kormoc:

chehgarg, at the end, you can type in a size too

[04:55:34]

sandeen:

chehgarg, did it tell you to reboot -this- time? :)

[04:55:37]

chehgarg:

back to the drawing board

[04:55:44]

chehgarg:

never tells me to reboot

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sandeen:

kernel still thinks it's extended

[04:55:50]

sandeen:

though fdisk shows the right size

[04:56:12]

sandeen:

/proc/partitions is the kernels' view, device major 3 minor 66, size 1 (1 1k chunk)

[04:56:40]

chehgarg:

120G is out of range apparently

[04:56:58]

kormoc:

chehgarg, well, enter should just default to the rest of the drive... still very strange

[04:57:20]

sandeen:

yeah that should work

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chehgarg:

well lemme try, it's writing now

[04:57:45]

chehgarg:

/dev/hdb2 21673 36262 117194175 83 Linux

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sandeen:

hate to say it but try rebooting, if /proc/partitions isn't reflecting the new size

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chehgarg:

trying to reboot right now...

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chehgarg:

oh and btw i reran the backend and got this : Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

[04:59:14]

chehgarg:

.

[04:59:23]

chehgarg:

brb... rebooting

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sandeen:

chehgarg, wanna buy a tivo? :)

[04:59:32]

chehgarg:

i'm trying to ditch one :)

[05:01:23]

sandeen:

if we're having trouble w/ mkfs myth is gonna be a real bitch :)

[05:02:22]

sandeen:

kormoc, i'll write down that error next time.

[05:02:29]

sandeen:

how should it behave in that condition?

[05:02:41]

chehgarg:

/dev/hdb2 21673 36262 117194175 83 Linux

[05:02:47]

chehgarg:

same f***ing thing!

[05:02:56]

sandeen:

what does /proc/partitions say

[05:03:04]

chehgarg:

but i have no time... i gottta catch a train with this beast of a machine and ehad home

[05:03:18]

sandeen:

heh

[05:03:24]

sandeen:

well good luck with all that :)

[05:03:25]

chehgarg:

3 66 117194175 hdb2

[05:03:31]

chehgarg:

3 65 174080308 hdb1

[05:03:38]

chehgarg:

3 64 293057352 hdb

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sandeen:

and you can't mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb2?

[05:03:48]

sandeen:

hey at least now you have a real size :)

[05:04:00]

chehgarg:

IT"s WORKIGN!

[05:04:10]

** sandeen wonders where "same thing" came from ;-) **

[05:04:15]

kormoc:

yay!

[05:04:24]

sandeen:

woo, mkfs is PWN3D! ;-)

[05:04:53]

chehgarg:

okay... so umm how do i write to fstab properly so it always mounts right?

[05:05:07]

sandeen:

hehe

[05:05:10]

sandeen:

that's next week ;-)

[05:05:25]

chehgarg:

aw crap... same batchannel

[05:05:45]

sandeen:

/dev/hdb2 /whatevermountpoint ext3 defaults 0 0

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sandeen:

and make sure /whatevermountpoint exists as a directory

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chehgarg:

if /dev/hda2 says ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1

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sandeen:

that's fine

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chehgarg:

can't I just write /dev/hdb2 /myth ext3 defaults,errors=remount -ro 0 1

[05:06:47]

sandeen:

sure

[05:06:50]

chehgarg:

okay done

[05:06:53]

chehgarg:

i'm poutta hear

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sandeen:

no space before -ro

[05:06:59]

chehgarg:

be back later on in the week guys

[05:07:03]

chehgarg:

correct

[05:07:07]

chehgarg:

you guys are so awesome

[05:07:10]

chehgarg:

i owe you all a pizza

[05:07:22]

chehgarg:

l8er

[05:08:59]

kormoc:

and I didn't give him my address to have it delivered to... :P

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k-man__:

hello

[05:13:44]

k-man__:

how can i change the size of the display text in mythtv?

[05:13:47]

k-man__:

its all too small

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sandeen:

geesh all that for a messed up partition table :)

[05:13:52]

k-man__:

especialy in the epg

[05:15:40]

sandeen:

DisplaySize in xorg.conf maybe?

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k-man__:

oh

[05:16:45]

k-man__:

what does that do?

[05:16:49]

k-man__:

wait..

[05:16:53]

k-man__:

i think i set that once

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k-man__:

a long time ago

[05:16:57]

k-man__:

hmm..

[05:17:00]

k-man__:

ill have to check

[05:19:09]

Agrajag-:

there's a font size setting in the appearance settings part

[05:19:30]

k-man__:

Agrajag-, yeah, i fiddled with those and it didn't seem to do anything

[05:19:39]

k-man__:

i don't have a displaysize set

[05:19:46]

k-man__:

i'll set it and see if that helps

[05:19:49]

sandeen:

i won't swear to that i'm not an X guru

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Agrajag-:

i don't think that's going to change anything

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k-man__:

oh

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sandeen:

i saw soemthing in the wiki about this but can't remember what :)

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k-man__:

this? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Display_Size

[05:21:42]

sandeen:

heh yeah :)

[05:21:48]

sandeen:

search for displaysize came up w/ nada

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** sandeen heads for bed **

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gu014:

i am trying to install mythweb under ubuntu 6.10...when i click on mythweb from a browser i just get the file list of the mythweb directory? could anyone help me out?

[05:36:43]

Jack3:

does anyone here have an irblaster

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kormoc:

I do

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DVBMark:

gu014, sounds like you are missing php

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DVBMark:

figured kormoc would reply to that one

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DVBMark:

LOL

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gu014:

DVBMark, i have installed php4...are their any other packages i am missing?

[05:38:05]

DVBMark:

read the INSTALL file included with mythweb, there are tons of modules they recommend you run

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alsoconfused:

gu014: mythweb requires some httpd configuration. look at the install doc

[05:38:08]

DVBMark:

and settings

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Jack3:

kormoc , you dont happen to use irblaster.sh?

[05:39:23]

kormoc:

nopers

[05:39:56]

Jack3:

ugh

[05:41:41]

Paladine:

Haagen-Dazs – Not just for dessert...

[05:41:49]

Paladine:

can't beat eating ice cream at 5:30am

[06:14:23]

t0ny-p40:

Is any one alive?

[06:15:35]

t0ny-p40:

Thats weird sudo echo "2007-1–9 22:10:04" > /proc/acpi/alarm does not work

[06:15:44]

t0ny-p40:

but if I do sudo bash

[06:15:45]

t0ny-p40:

then

[06:15:50]

t0ny-p40:

echo "2007-1–9 22:10:04" > /proc/acpi/alarm it works...

[06:17:11]

kormoc:

sudo runs a command

[06:17:16]

kormoc:

echo isn't a command

[06:17:22]

kormoc:

it's a bash centric thing

[06:17:39]

kormoc:

(well, more like a shell thing)

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t0ny-p40:

oh ok

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kormoc:

t0ny-p40, you should be able to do sudo /bin/echo "blah" > blah

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kormoc:

if you have the binary echo installed

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t0ny-p40:

kormoc do you know why my nvidia geforce fx 5200 is outputting a blue line to the top and left of the video?

[06:30:02]

** xris curses his firewire box **

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xris:

suddenly it's decided to just stop sending data every so often

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kormoc:

t0ny-p40, you can use xvattr to set that, you should set it to black

[06:30:20]

xris:

Krazylegz: when was this patch you were talking about?

[06:34:45]

Paladine:

well I have to say, I am glad I bought our lcd hdtv

[06:34:47]

Paladine:

it rocks

[06:35:01]

xris:

cool

[06:35:01]

Paladine:

now I just need hd content to watch on it :)

[06:35:09]

Jack3:

where is the lirc stuff usually stored

[06:35:17]

Jack3:

specifically the file usd to send ir channels

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Jack3:

kormoc

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Jack3:

where do i put the DCT2000.conf?

[06:45:01]

kormoc:

you add it to the end of your lircd.conf

[06:45:24]

Jack3:

huh? i thought its in a file somewehre

[06:45:43]

kormoc:

all remotes are defined in the lircd.conf

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Jack3:

cause i did /usr/bin/irsend -d /dev/irblasterd SEND_ONCE DCT2000.conf power

[06:47:45]

Jack3:

and it said /usr/bin/irsend: command failed: SEND_ONCE DCT2000.conf power

[06:47:56]

t0ny-p40:

what would make mythtv pause for about 1 seconds every few seconds?

[06:48:38]

Jack3:

and /usr/bin/irsend unknown remote: "DCT2000.conf"

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kormoc:

Jack3, uhh, what made you think you could put that DCT2000.conf there?

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kormoc:

t0ny-p40, run the frontend in a terminal window and look at the output

[06:49:27]

t0ny-p40:

prebuffering pause

[06:49:45]

t0ny-p40:

what is causing that?

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Jack3:

cause i ran irblaster.sh and specified dct2000 and on the forums the guy says to test to type

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Jack3:

./usr/local/bin/irsend -d /dev/irblasterd SEND_ONCE lg.conf power

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** kormoc sighs **

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Jack3:

so i figured i could substitute mine, i gues not

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kormoc:

the remote type is the type defined in lircd.conf not the file

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Jack3:

ah

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kormoc:

Jack3, stop lirc

[06:50:28]

kormoc:

then cat DCT2000.conf >> /etc/lircd.conf

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kormoc:

and start lirc

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Jack3:

cat?

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kormoc:

cat outputs the content of the specified file

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kormoc:

>> appends it to the end of the next specified file

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Jack3:

ah cool

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Jack3:

how might i stop lirc?

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kormoc:

/etc/init.d/lircd stop

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Jack3:

says no such file or directory

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kormoc:

what distro?

[06:52:32]

Jack3:

knoppmyth

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Jack3:

there is just a lirc file there tho

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kormoc:

use that one the

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kormoc:

n

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Jack3:

alright stopped lirc daemon

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t0ny-p40:

Would any one be interested in a text web based mythtv remote? If so I might release the one I'm working on.

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kormoc:

the one in /etc

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Jack3:

cause there is one in /etc and one in /etc/lirc

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Jack3:

alight

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kormoc:

Jack3, that I donno

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kormoc:

could be a symlink, might not

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Jack3:

kormoc should it say anything after i restart lircd and type my power command?

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kormoc:

well, your power command should be something akin to

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Jack3:

cause it didnt just goes back to the prompt, and the ir blaster i have didnt do anything

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kormoc:

/usr/local/bin/irsend -d /dev/irblasterd SEND_ONCE whatever_the_remote_is_called power

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Jack3:

im gonna see if its doing anything by using my vid camera

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Jack3:

for some reason there is no irsend in /usr/local/bin/

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Jack3:

only in /usr/bin

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kormoc:

well, wherever it is

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Jack3:

ok

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kormoc:

do you know whatever_the_remote_is_called?

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Jack3:

well thats the command i used

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Jack3:

i just put DCT2000

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Jack3:

and it didnt give an error about not finding ti

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kormoc:

you sure that's right?

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Jack3:

yeh

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Jack3:

but i mean shouldnt the ir thing be doing something

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kormoc:

well, it might be the wrong config

[07:01:12]

Jack3:

on the camera i see no flash

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Jack3:

so its not lighting up at all

[07:01:27]

Jack3:

possibly im using the wrong serial port

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kormoc:

could be

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Jack3:

ok when i do dmesg | grep ttyS* i get serial8250: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A

[07:03:03]

Jack3:

so is that com 1 or com2

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Dagmar:

IT's com2

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Dagmar:

You know, this is a lot easier if you read the lirc docs

[07:05:25]

Jack3:

meh ive about given up

[07:05:31]

Jack3:

ive tried everything and it never works

[07:06:31]

Dagmar:

You've not tried the troubleshooting section of the lirc docs

[07:07:31]

Dagmar:

...particularly the part that talks about using irw to validate the basic receiver functionality.

[07:07:43]

Dagmar:

...and then irevent.

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Dagmar:

erk. s/irevent/ircat/;

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Jack3:

validate the basic receiver? im using a transmitter, and ive chekced and theres no ir light being emitted from the led

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Dagmar:

Who made the transciever?

[07:10:25]

Dagmar:

The majority of the time if the reciever works and the transmitter doesn't, something wasn't wired correctly.

[07:10:27]

Jack3:

its just a transmitter, not a reciever , and its just an led and resistor connected to the serial port

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Jack3:

i mean its as simple as possibly

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Paladine:

no diode?

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Jack3:

oh yeh that to

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Jack3:

the only thing i can think of was that i looked at the serial pins wrong

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Paladine:

pins 4 and 5

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Jack3:

and that i did the opposite side of what i was suppose to

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Paladine:

iirc

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Jack3:

how can you tell thoguh?

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Paladine:

they are numbered on every serial connector I have ever seen

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Jack3:

hmm

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Paladine:

normally as the pins are facing you,it wouldbe the top right and bottom right pins

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Paladine:

they are pins 4 and 5

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Paladine:

sorry left

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Paladine:

it is the right when the pins are not facing you

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Paladine:

took me a second to remember ;)

[07:14:43]

Paladine:

you made sure you got the connectionon the LED correctly right?

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Jack3:

i dunno but i just told her to go buy one of the 12$ ir blasters from irblaster.info

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Jack3:

she doesnt know much about electronics and has no tools

[07:24:56]

Jack3:

she also just said there was no flash on the camera when she hooked a battery to the led and resistor

[07:25:09]

Jack3:

so obviously its messd up

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Paladine:

I decided to upgrade from irblaster to usb>rf2 controller

[07:25:44]

Paladine:

but I don't think it works in the US

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Paladine:

you'd have thought team rocket would have realised they are never going to steal any pokemon by now

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t0ny-p40:

wtf the font for stuff like now playing keeps getting small

[07:33:38]

t0ny-p40:

err watch recordings

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t0ny-p40:

kormoc: do you know the full command to get rid of the black lines?

[07:37:23]

t0ny-p40:

with xvattr

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kormoc:

sorry, I do not

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kormoc:

I just know that's the tool to do it

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t0ny-p40:

ok thanks

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t0ny-p40:

I give up tonight my brain is out of energy :)

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t0ny-p40:

plus my wrists are hurting and I'm too stupid to stop typing

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Dagmar:

Paladine: They're kinda stupid like that. Heh

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Paladine:

I just scored an uber deal on ebay

[07:54:03]

Paladine:

3.6KG Jelly Belly beans (45 flavours) for like $65 USD shipped :)

[07:54:20]

Paladine:

1KG in the UK Jelly Belly store costs like $30 + shipping

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Dagmar:

OMG finally... Vanguard is being released on the 29th

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ivor:

and why does anyone 'need' 3.6kg of jelly beans?

[07:55:29]

kormoc:

to commit suicide by sugar over-dose

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Dagmar:

ivor: Because sometimes you just have to get your sucrose levels so high that you can't see straight

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Paladine:

ivor, because it is a fantastic deal

[08:09:56]

Paladine:

and deals like that are rare

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Dagmar:

Enough jelly beans to fill a kiddie pool. :)

[08:10:48]

Paladine:

well I will keep 1 jar and give one jar to the motherin law

[08:10:55]

Paladine:

well I might give her one

[08:11:02]

Paladine:

depends how I feel when they arrive ;)

[08:11:12]

Paladine:

cos I really like jelly belly beans

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Paladine:

and haven't had any for years cos they are so damned expensive normally

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jba_:

evening all

[08:29:04]

Paladine:

morning

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Paladine:

hey gazzak you at work already?

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Paladine:

or you ircing in your pjs?

[08:30:06]

jba_:

hey guys any australian users hang out in here?

[08:30:36]

jba_:

I'm trying to find austrlian mythtv with dvb-t testimonials or howtos

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Paladine:

jba, no idea mate

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Paladine:

ask on the forums is the best bet

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jba_:

will do

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Paladine:

oh hang on I am in the wrong channel

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jba_:

do i need to register on the forums to post a q?

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Paladine:

mythtv donut have forums hehe

[08:31:54]

Paladine:

ask on the mailing list

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jba_:

s/forums/mailing list

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Paladine:

which you would need to subscribe to

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jba_:

yeah same old same old

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hads:

DVB isn't usually that tricky but my only experience is with DVB-S no -T

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jba_:

hey general question then, there currently isn't, and most likely will not be a dvb-t card that compresses (i.e. transcodes to a higher compression rate) the mpeg II data from a digital signal?

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Paladine:

dvb-t is free to air right?

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jba_:

yes and no

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Paladine:

t as in terrestrial??

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kormoc:

jba_, correct

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hads:

Paladine: Can be

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jba_:

dvb-t is dvb-terestrial, as in using an antenna

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Paladine:

aye

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jba_:

so looking at 5 – 9GB per hour of data?

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Paladine:

jba_ it should be relatively straight forward

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** jba_ has a tivo currently **

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jba_:

but wanting to build a digital version, hence using myth

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Paladine:

5–9GB per hour is excessive

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jba_:

high definition digital signal, no?

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kormoc:

yeah, it'll be around that for HD stuff

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Paladine:

I get 5000–6000kb/s on my satelite input which equates to about 3GB per hour

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jba_:

Paladine, sd digital or hd digital?

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Paladine:

sd

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kormoc:

that would be why

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Paladine:

wedon't have terrestrial hd here yet

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Paladine:

there is a trial in london atm afaik for bbc hd

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jba_:

anyhow, my point is, i was worried about the fact that dvb-t cards don't do any on-chip transcoding

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jba_:

Paladine, in the .au most of the digital is sd, in fact even when it is hd they don't tell you

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Paladine:

isn't HD just high quality mpeg2?

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jba_:

so would an athlon 1.4GHZ with 1 GB ram be a beefy enough machine for dual dvb tuner myth?

[08:36:04]

kormoc:

Paladine, high res mpeg-2, aye

[08:36:07]

jba_:

Paladine, yeah, and hence the extra size requirements

[08:36:25]

Paladine:

why the need for onboard transcoding then?

[08:36:29]

kormoc:

jba_, for recording, sure, assuming non-framebuffer cards

[08:37:00]

kormoc:

jba_, playback of HD is typically given as 2ghz min, 3ghz+ recommended

[08:37:08]

jba_:

kormoc, but it's dvb, so there is no such thing as frame capture, as i understood it digital cards just dump the mpegII stream to disk

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Paladine:

I have heard that h.264 (think thats write) gives excellent results for transcoding

[08:37:27]

kormoc:

jba_, aye, but just in case you had a pile and were gonna use them... :P

[08:37:35]

Paladine:

s.write/right

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jba_:

this is my theory

[08:37:41]

Paladine:

man my typing sucks tonight

[08:38:11]

kormoc:

jba_, I mean a pile of framegrabber cards... we've had people come in here and ask about pvr cards and they actually have framegrabber cards

[08:38:51]

kormoc:

heh

[08:38:52]

kormoc:

fair nuff

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kormoc:

when I used my framegrabber, it used around 35% of my 2.4 ghz p4 for recording

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kormoc:

(into mpeg-4)

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jba_:

so my worry is, if i wanted connect a pay tv signal, even if it's digital they will never provide access to the dvb stream will they?

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hads:

No

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kormoc:

nope, you'd need to go though a cable/satalite box

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hads:

You'll have to use svideo or whatever.

[08:40:36]

hads:

Yup

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kormoc:

aye

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jba_:

faRK ME

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jba_:

sort of kills the point of digital doesn't it

[08:40:55]

kormoc:

a bit

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Paladine:

well you could get a card with component I guess??

[08:41:05]

Paladine:

would be better than svideo

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jba_:

i was thinking about that

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Paladine:

I would expect a hd stb to have component out

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jba_:

yeah, but it would stsill be component analogue, being re-encoded on the card

[08:41:58]

jba_:

would a hd stb ever have hdmi out?

[08:42:04]

jba_:

in the future, per say

[08:42:07]

Paladine:

I would expect so

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kormoc:

sure, some do

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Paladine:

they do in the UK

[08:42:18]

kormoc:

but a dvi/hdmi capture card is costly

[08:42:24]

Paladine:

all the hd boxes in the UK have hdmi afaik

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jba_:

so to some up

[08:42:49]

jba_:

if i want to go with cable, i'm better off sticking with my working oztivo

[08:43:14]

kormoc:

if you like your tivo, sure, I actually perfer myth over tivo, but it's all up to you

[08:43:25]

hads:

Yeah, much of a much.

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jba_:

kormoc, the only reason i want myth is for digital signal and also as a media centre

[08:43:42]

jba_:

which tivo isn't really

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jba_:

but the thing is, i already have the tivo, no $$$ spendage

[08:44:03]

jba_:

i suppose i could sell the tivo off

[08:44:05]

kormoc:

just a monthly fee :P

[08:44:07]

jba_:

hmm

[08:44:13]

jba_:

no it's australian tivo

[08:44:22]

kormoc:

they don't do monthly fees?

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jba_:

tivo is not in the .au

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kormoc:

ooh

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jba_:

we have a community driven effort to get it to work

[08:44:39]

kormoc:

gotcha

[08:44:53]

jba_:

hence why i sorta know what i'm talking about

[08:45:02]

jba_:

guess i just needed more knowledgable people to confirm

[08:45:06]

jba_:

thanks

[08:45:40]

jba_:

if i have playback accelerated nvidea card, playng back hd signal, do i still need > 2GHz

[08:45:42]

jba_:

?

[08:45:59]

jba_:

the howtos on the wiki aren't too clear on that

[08:46:05]

kormoc:

well, it's not fully accelerated, just takes the edge off so to speak

[08:46:14]

kormoc:

it's really a crap shoot, some people get it working, others don't

[08:46:26]

hads:

You wouldn't *need* it if you were using XvMC but...

[08:46:29]

kormoc:

part of that reason is XvMC is rather flaky on a lot of hardware

[08:46:37]

kormoc:

but rock solid on others

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jba_:

with proprietry nvidea drivers there are still issues?

[08:47:03]

hads:

Yeah, XvMV consistantly locks up on mine.

[08:47:06]

kormoc:

at times, aye

[08:47:36]

hads:

But we only have SD content for at least another year so it's no major yet.

[08:47:49]

jba_:

hads you in the .au

[08:47:58]

hads:

There's another aussie for you.

[08:48:10]

hads:

jba_: NZ

[08:48:18]

jba_:

the southern hemisphere then

[08:48:19]

jba_:

cool

[08:48:49]

jba_:

well if i do decide to go mythtv i will try with the 1.4ghz athlon first

[08:48:54]

jba_:

and upgrade if needed later

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hads:

Will be in AU next week for Linux.conf.au. Yay

[08:49:05]

jba_:

never been to one

[08:49:22]

jba_:

i hack on linux and stuff, just not a conference guy

[08:49:27]

hads:

jba_: I run an Athlon 1.5 with a PVR150 and a DVB-S card, works fine.

[08:49:42]

jba_:

actually lately rockbox has been taking my time

[08:49:52]

jba_:

hads, PVR150, supplied from where and how much?

[08:50:03]

jba_:

and what brand dvb card?

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hads:

Nvidia card, no XvMC the frontend takes about 25% CPU

[08:50:14]

jba_:

most of the ausie accounts i can find use dvico or some other no name brand

[08:50:36]

jba_:

bbiab

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hads:

The PVR150 I got from Ingram Micro, the DVB-S is a SkyStar2

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Paladine:

mythfe uses about about 9% of my cpu with my pvr150

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hads:

Your CPU must be cooler than mine then :)

[08:54:56]

Paladine:

well that was one of the cores

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kormoc:

XvMC, ~10% to 13%

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Paladine:

doesn't touch the other core

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kormoc:

2.13 ghz celeron-d

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Paladine:

I have an X2 4400+ Toledo in this box

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kormoc:

unless it's jumping

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Paladine:

I don't run XvMC

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Paladine:

never saw the need to here

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jba_:

how much did the cards set you back?

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jba_:

it's really hard to cost out this project cause all the internet stuff is us/euro based

[08:58:05]

hads:

About $150 each from memory.

[08:58:11]

hads:

NZ$

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Paladine:

hads, do you use a <insert unmentionable component here> with your DVB-S?

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jba_:

roughly the same aud

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hads:

Paladine: Huh?

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Paladine:

nevermind

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jba_:

hads who did you use online?

[08:59:52]

Paladine:

not supposed to tak about it in here really

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Paladine:

so forget I mentioned it

[09:00:00]

** jba_ finding it hard to find a good cheap online computer supplier in the .au **

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hads:

Paladine: Nothing illegal here

[09:00:21]

hads:

Or grey even

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Paladine:

bbiab

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hads:

jba_: I sell gear so the PVR150 card came from the distributor. THe Skystar2 came from dvbshop.net

[09:02:07]

hads:

Later Paladine

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Paladine:

have fun guys

[09:02:55]

jba_:

they supply to the southern hemisphere

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hads:

Obviously, I have mine ;0

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hads:

I opted for the cheaper 35 Euro standard post and the cards arrived in about 3 weeks

[09:04:27]

hads:

Trackable courier was 75 Euro so I took the risk.

[09:04:46]

jba_:

you got a website>?

[09:06:50]

hads:

I don't sell that type of stuff, just VoIP gear.

[09:07:07]

hads:

(if that's what you are intereste in).

[09:07:20]

jba_:

nah, trying to find a good australian pc supplier

[09:08:05]

hads:

I used to get some stuff from Harris Tech when I lived there, not sure what they are like these days

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juski:

morning

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hads:

Evening juski

[09:12:42]

juski:

had a little potter about before coming in to work & drafted this.. http://juski.co.uk/screenshots/comingsoon.png

[09:13:00]

juski:

it might see the light of day one day :)

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juski:

morning stuarta

[09:14:15]

stuarta:

morning juski

[09:14:19]

jba_:

no other aussies in here with myth experience to share?

[09:14:31]

hads:

Hmm,

[09:14:34]

** stuarta is an aussie in uuk **

[09:15:16]

juski:

stuarta: you liked projectgrayhem didn't you? how about this? http://juski.co.uk/screenshots/comingsoon.png

[09:15:43]

stuarta:

hmmm. what's that meant to be?

[09:15:48]

jba_:

stuarta, am looking for advice/tips on setting up a dual dvb system in the .au

[09:16:07]

stuarta:

jba_: sadly i've never set one up in .au

[09:16:26]

jba_:

all my old pc supplier url's are dead links now :(

[09:16:33]

jba_:

wish there was a newegg in australia

[09:16:38]

juski:

stuarta: just something I hashed up earlier. inspired by some new apple offerring or other ;)

[09:16:42]

hads:

juski: My 900B/s connection didn't like that too much :)

[09:17:13]

stuarta:

juski: all i can say is i'm a big fan of grey & black

[09:17:19]

jba_:

so how come i can't find the link to the build your own ir blaster article anywhere?

[09:17:47]

juski:

jba_: plenty on lirc.org

[09:17:54]

juski:

and from the mythtv wiki IIRC

[09:17:59]

jba_:

juski, tah

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jba_:

all the links i find on the wiki go tot he site of the ir blaster suppliers, which points to a redhat appache default instal page

[09:19:18]

hads:

I just gave up the NZ$25 and got one from irblaster.info. I can earn the money in the time it would have taken me to build one.

[09:20:15]

jba_:

hads, it's the fun factor dude

[09:20:31]

jba_:

that's why i'm putting a mythtv together instead of buying a viva machine

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jba_:

i was talking about on the wiki and all the howtos

[09:21:39]

juski:

hey apparently Bill gates was on last night's news jabberring about how 'soon' you'll be able to play TV on your PC connected to your TV

[09:21:55]

juski:

that's gonna be awesome.. being able to do that...

[09:22:04]

stuarta:

everything on the news this morning was about streaming tv from your house to mobile

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stuarta:

(from CES)

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juski:

can they not think of a REAL killer app?

[09:25:05]

jba_:

perhaps i build a singal dvb-t card setup for now

[09:25:11]

jba_:

and add cards later as the need arises

[09:25:21]

jba_:

seeing as the dvb-t card is just for free to air

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hads:

I guess it depends on your TV usage

[09:25:46]

jba_:

i could always capture the other channel of fta in analogue using the gramegrabber card

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juski:

I'm a constant skeptic. my phone makes& receives calls & text messages. everything else is way too expensive imho

[09:28:39]

hads:

Email on my phone is useful for me

[09:29:19]

hads:

But if I didn't have that I could always parse them on the server and send SMS alerts for important messages

[09:31:11]

juski:

thinking back to the linuxworldexpo, mobile streaming was one of the things people were most interested in :(

[09:31:20]

Dagmar:

I'm thinking the iPhone will probably change that

[09:31:36]

Dagmar:

You'll break a sweat trying to use someone else's phone if your battery went flat

[09:31:39]

stuarta:

juski: true. and we said it was possible, just not easy

[09:32:43]

juski:

yeah but I'm not just thinking about from myth's point of view. I can't see the use of it myself other than the 'awesome' (yuk) factor

[09:33:13]

juski:

what happened to TV becoming an immersive, cinema-like experience?

[09:33:21]

stuarta:

just look at the takeup of mobile tv...

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juski:

I dunno – has it even taken off?

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stuarta:

people went yeah we like it, i have to pay how much???? no thanks

[09:33:59]

juski:

haha yesh

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stuarta:

when it was free in trials, people liked it

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Dagmar:

Wait, I can pay an extra $70/month to watch my TV on my tiny-ass low-color two inch screen?? SIGN ME UP!

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hads:

heh

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stuarta:

so now it's in London Cabs instead

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juski:

don't. we have a product which is a mobile cctv recorder that can play out ads tied into gps locations

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stuarta:

that's very evil empire

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juski:

when say a bus is approaching a stop near a Macdonald's... "don't forget to pop in to grab your McFattyBurger(tm)"

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** stuarta is not amused **

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juski:

uh. something is hogging cpu on this box

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stuarta:

probably the chair to keyboard interface

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juski:

woo lots of zombie processes

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juski:

had to kill off some curl processes which were just hanging around

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juski:

much more responsive now

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harker:

how do you reindex one of the dbs . I have a corrupt MYI file ?

[10:00:08]

juski:

mysqlcheck is your friend

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Dagmar:

Try this

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Dagmar:

mysqlcheck --check-only-changed --extended --auto-repair --optimize --silent mythconverg

[10:00:59]

Dagmar:

You might want to leave the --silent argument off tho

[10:01:10]

Dagmar:

I just copied that out of the shell script that starts my db up

[10:01:41]

Dagmar:

Yes, it's kinda of painting with a broad brush to tell it to do all of mythconverg, but it only takes a couple minutes on a bad day

[10:04:09]

harker:

thanks .. thats what I get for letting my subscription expire

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juski:

was that.. help without sarcasm? careful.. I might catch it

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Bernardo:

good morning

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jba:

what are some good capture cards with component in?

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stuarta:

component in? doesn't exist

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Dagmar:

s-video and composite in are pretty much all you're likely to find

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Dagmar:

...not without going to some rather expensive and thusly probably not supported in Linux cards

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jba:

hmmm

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juski:

no hdmi or dvi capture either for the same reason, before you ask

[10:44:11]

Dagmar:

Well, no HDMI capture for entirely different reasons actually

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jba:

juski, i assumed as much :(

[10:44:27]

Dagmar:

Like, anyone daring to make such a card would probably be sued into oblivion.

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jba:

Dagmar, i think you mean hdcp

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jba:

hdmi is pin for pin compatible with dvi

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Dagmar:

I was under the impression that that was pretty much tied to HDMI

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jba:

it just bundles sound in as well

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juski:

it's academix anyway because you'd need to compress 15Gb/sec on the fly

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juski:

ix/ic

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juski:

damn I forgot to order IC sockets

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stuarta:

i'm getting sick of bbc7 show's being categorized as movies...

[11:13:43]

juski:

I'd noticed that

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juski:

don't pay much attention to detail though since they class stuff like "soapstar superstar" as 'entertainment'

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janneg:

stuarta: bbc7 is radio? eitfixup comes to my mind

[11:14:59]

stuarta:

don't mind about that, the movie thing just buggers up the canned search for movies

[11:15:27]

stuarta:

janneg: yeah it is, and i'm just considering a fixup it's pissing me off that much

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juski:

good call :)

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stuarta:

however, finding a clean way of implementing it

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stuarta:

i'll have to check, but i don't think we keep the type of the channel in the channel table

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stuarta:

ie. tv vs radio....

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juski:

stuarta: we don't

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janneg:

no, we don;t

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stuarta:

didn't think so.

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stuarta:

which means alternative fu is required

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juski:

put putting a new column there would be useful for other stuff eventually

[11:17:20]

janneg:

I would just fix that channel

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juski:

s/put/but

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stuarta:

janneg: sadly it's not specific to that channel, it's just the current worst offender

[11:20:25]

juski:

just my 2p worth, but longer term, having a 'radio' type for channels would be nice

[11:21:06]

janneg:

stuarta: you could check in dvbstreamdata if it is an audio only channel and change the HanleEIT callback accordingly

[11:22:00]

janneg:

to signal it back to eitfixup

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stuarta:

that won't work since the EIT data is all cross carried and can be on a video channel

[11:23:26]

stuarta:

we'd need to check via the saved channel info if the type of the channel != tv

[11:23:37]

stuarta:

sadly we can't do that at the moment

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janneg:

I thought of checking the SDT, but checking all SDTo is not nice

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stuarta:

we don't have SDTo's on dvb-t

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** juski wonders what a freeview box would do, or if they even use categories **

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stuarta:

it would have to be picked up in the channel scanning phase

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stuarta:

and saved, we already have the information at that time.

[11:25:18]

stuarta:

might send dk an email see what he thinks about adding the channel type to the channels table...

[11:26:41]

stuarta:

what on earth is tvformat=Default good for????

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juski:

might also pave the way for a proper radio recorder in myth :)

[11:27:15]

juski:

along with a radiorecorder class of course...

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stuarta:

indeed, rather than trying to detect it magically...

[11:27:54]

juski:

though it's nice to have radio treated as video, with mheg & all that jazz

[11:28:22]

juski:

but not essential. I'd give that up in the blink of an eye

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stuarta:

though mheg still isn't video. hmmmm, more thought required.

[11:29:50]

stuarta:

yeah, we really must sit down and cleanup that radio userjob of yours and get it committed.

[11:30:07]

** stuarta has been slack lately **

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juski:

heh. it wasn't that but I did ffmpeg -i foobar.mpg -acodec copy -vcodec copy foo2.mpg on a 450MB or so file – half hour from ITV1... the resulting file was like 320MB

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juski:

whoops not half hour.. 15 mins ish

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stuarta:

probably stripped the AD stream

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stuarta:

and subtitles

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juski:

didn't think they were that big

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stuarta:

the AD stream is a reasonable size...

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juski:

pity they can't be filtered out at the source easily

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stuarta:

i did notice something the other morning when i was up at 5am

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juski:

do ITV even have AD? didn't think they bothered

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stuarta:

doing some dvbsnoops there is an indicator in the PMT that the audio track is AD

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janneg:

and saved it as program stream

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stuarta:

yeah PS vs TS makes a difference

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juski:

spose it all adds up

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stuarta:

when bored you could always demux a recording and see how big each stream is.

[11:35:29]

juski:

since we don't have any blind or deaf people at home it'd be nice to be able to junk stuff at source

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juski:

some nice lunchtime reading I think.. mythtv source code

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stuarta:

hmmm, it's a possibility. i need to do some poking in the PMT handling to see if I can find the AD identifying bit...

[11:38:21]

juski:

course I could always just run userjobs to junk the extras to save heaps of disk space

[11:38:29]

juski:

it's not exactly time-consuming either

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juski:

bah I'd need to rebuild the seektable too

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janneg:

stuarta: the ISO 639 language descriptor has the info

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janneg:

it has an audio type bit field

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stuarta:

yeah, that's the one I saw with dvbsnoop

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stuarta:

type = 3 -> AD stream

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janneg:

with following defined values: clean effects, hearing impaired, visual impaired commentary

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juski:

whoah. it'd cost 950EUR to go to the DVB expo in Dublin

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stuarta:

janneg: where did you get that info?

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juski:

wtf?! dvb-s2 is patented?!

[11:52:05]

stuarta:

thanks.

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stuarta:

from dvbsnoop -> Audio_type: 3 (0x03) [= visual impaired commentary]

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janneg:

juski: the physical coding of the signal, i.e. all that the card does in its hardware

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janneg:

playback groups were added after .20?

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juski:

janneg: phew!

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janneg:

juski: so you know the next question already?

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** stuarta goes hacking audio types into the language descriptor **

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** juski gets distracted by http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/10/revie . . . edia_centre/ **

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stuarta:

ooooooo!!!!!

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stuarta:

H264 support!

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juski:

might be eminently hackable too

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stuarta:

hey, if it works as an upnp client, then i can stream BBC HD test broadcasts to it from my backend

[12:07:27]

juski:

£300 though.. but at least it's not fugly

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stuarta:

hmmm, £300, but if the H264 is in hardware...

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juski:

bound to be based on something linuxy too

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Dagmar:

Frankly for that price I think I'd rather have an AppleTV box

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gardengnome:

juski: sorry, i don't remember anything about the s100's psu ;)

[12:13:43]

juski:

there's that 'cake tin' from Sony.. no idea how much it'd cost though

[12:13:52]

juski:

gardengnome: lol. you're quick!

[12:14:09]

gardengnome:

juski: you know, i do have a life besides #mythtv-users.

[12:14:17]

juski:

ouch

[12:14:22]

gardengnome:

there's still #mythtv-de and even other IRC networks. ;)

[12:14:42]

juski:

there are _other_ channels & networks?!

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Dagmar:

Yeah

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juski:

btw gardengnome thinking about another memory hogging theme

[12:16:06]

juski:

http://juski.co.uk/screenshots/comingsoon.png

[12:16:22]

Dagmar:

Every so often I like to put the soundtrack from Apocalypse Now! into Rhythmbox and jump on EFNet for a bit

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Dagmar:

LOL

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Dagmar:

Ripping the AppleTV interface already

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juski:

yup

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juski:

so we won't the the spiffy fadezoom effects on the watermark icons but hey

[12:17:22]

juski:

s/the/get

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juski:

arghh

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Dagmar:

Yeah, the fader is going to be too busy displaying "worship me" at 95% transparency

[12:18:20]

juski:

naw

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juski:

"worship me OR ELSE"

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** Merlin83b grabs the juski theme pack **

[12:19:15]

Merlin83b:

Been meaning to for a while.

[12:19:33]

juski:

actually I think a GUI with _that_ much contrast is gonna be bad for plasmas

[12:20:10]

juski:

ah so what. I don't have a plasma so why should I care

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juski:

Merlin83b: there are packs now?

[12:20:57]

Merlin83b:

Heh

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Merlin83b:

I really just grabbed a bunch of bz2s :)

[12:21:08]

juski:

ah

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juski:

if you have less than 1GB ram, you might have probs with blootube-wide

[12:21:52]

juski:

it's Yooooooj!

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Merlin83b:

I've grabbed the lite thingy :)

[12:22:17]

juski:

I think I prefer the lighter one actually

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juski:

despite the other not working in minimyth

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Merlin83b:

Looks at the screenies, me possibly too. I'll try it out later :)

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janneg:

juski: the mirror effect of the watermark is nice

[12:23:20]

juski:

janneg: yeah, and some might say a waste of bitmap ;)

[12:23:43]

juski:

if only there was a <mirrorfade> xml tag

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janneg:

bug Chutt to implement it

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juski:

thought about it on the way in this morning. wouldn't be hard to do in opengl.. just draw the same thing upside down with a translucency gradient...

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juski:

I dunno about bugging Chutt for anything. don't think i have any right

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stuarta:

s/bug/ask nicely/

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juski:

I wonder if qt's gl is anything like as forgiving as some other things if you specify a start & end position in the wrong order

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Beirdo:

juski, you in?

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Beirdo:

sorry, Escrolledback

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Beirdo:

heh

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juski:

Beirdo: yup

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Beirdo:

so my transmitter definitely has issues with the laptop. the RTS and Tx lines are +/- 14V

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Beirdo:

the DTR line... -15V

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juski:

that's a bit 'hot'

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Beirdo:

errr

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Beirdo:

sorry, divide by 2

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juski:

ah

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Beirdo:

and no it isn't, RS232 is supposed to be +/- 15V ;)

[12:31:58]

juski:

so you'd need a low dropout reg then

[12:32:06]

Beirdo:

nah

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juski:

or just use a diode or 2

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Beirdo:

I'm powering the regulator off RTS -> Tx... so 12.75V after the diode drops

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juski:

ah ok

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Beirdo:

the issue is that the DTR line is (with reference to the circuit gnd = Tx line)... -0.8V

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Beirdo:

when off

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Beirdo:

should I have a resistor from the base of the NPN to ground so that input doesn't float when the diode from the DTR line to there is off?

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Beirdo:

like 100k or something?

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juski:

sounds like a good idea

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Beirdo:

yeah, I thought of that when I was going to bed. heh

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Beirdo:

the feed resistor is a 10k (from signal to the base)

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Beirdo:

the transistor is indeed in correctly

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Beirdo:

it's been SO long since I did circuits with transistors. :)

[12:36:24]

Beirdo:

10 years since graduation. wow

[12:36:44]

juski:

just looking at mythpainter_ogl.cpp

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Beirdo:

does time ever fly by

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Beirdo:

well, I'll poke around a bit more, see if I can't get this behaving better

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Beirdo:

the 470uF cap only charged to about 3.5V

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juski:

looks like you can't feed any of this stuff inverted co-ordinates to get a mirror image

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Beirdo:

which indicates to me that the LED was perhaps on

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Beirdo:

God bless my wife's employer for buying her a Fluke 175 as part of her service gear (she's a Solaris admin)

[12:39:42]

Beirdo:

nice having a good multimeter around

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juski:

not just good.. Fluke are the best

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Dagmar:

Hella expensive, too, so they'd better be nice

[12:41:07]

juski:

103" plasma

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Beirdo:

yup :) This ain't the best model, but it's quality equipment nonetheless

[12:41:18]

Beirdo:

it doesn't have the transistor checker in it, etc

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Beirdo:

hah

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Beirdo:

and today, it's fully charging

[12:44:38]

Beirdo:

4.966V on the cap

[12:45:04]

Beirdo:

send a IR comman, goes down to 4.2V and then recharges

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Beirdo:

command even

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Hoxzer:

Has somebody here have some idea if there is compact and cheap way to transfer 3RCA+USB singals to tv that is about 15m away from the box?

[12:46:24]

Beirdo:

if I send continuously, it goes down to 1.4V

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juski:

Beirdo: sounds like it worky :)

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

dunno why it didn't want to yesterday

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Beirdo:

I think the 100k resistor from base to ground would be a wise plan though

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Beirdo:

wish I had an oscilliscope :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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tripppy:

is the australian tv_grab_au script not working?

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Beirdo:

if I send digits once a second, sending "1 0 1 OK" got it down to 3.7V

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Beirdo:

might work

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juski:

once a second is gonna make for a slow channel change though

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juski:

too slow for livetv IMHO. be really great if every STB had a web interface then you could just use a http request

[13:11:10]

Beirdo:

heh, yeah it would

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Beirdo:

or firewire

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Beirdo:

I don't do livetv, but you are right, 1 per second is way slow

[13:11:44]

juski:

if firewire was bulletproof :) seen lots of people's mileage vary on that

[13:11:46]

Beirdo:

I think a bigger cap would definitely help

[13:12:14]

juski:

just add another 470uF in parallel

[13:12:30]

Beirdo:

yeah, something like that

[13:12:37]

Beirdo:

would have to go GET another though

[13:12:45]

juski:

I think the original design's 22mF is too much to be practical

[13:12:49]

Beirdo:

I don't exactly have a stocked parts room :(

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Beirdo:

yeah, the charge time for that is atrocious

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Beirdo:

but it would work splendidly once charged

[13:13:33]

juski:

I'd have gone for a USB tap myself

[13:13:53]

Beirdo:

well, the problem is then you need to get USB cables, etc too

[13:14:07]

juski:

or put the electronics in the pc case & used a connector to the emmitter

[13:14:07]

Beirdo:

dragging two cables... blech

[13:14:30]

Beirdo:

heh, yeah

[13:14:43]

Beirdo:

well, I wouldn't mind making a wholly USB solution

[13:14:54]

Beirdo:

I think iguanasoft did so already

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Beirdo:

but the part they use is difficult to obtain

[13:15:14]

juski:

problem is not all usb-serial converters look like proper UARTs

[13:15:23]

Beirdo:

no, I mean wholly USB

[13:15:29]

juski:

ah with a PIC

[13:15:32]

Beirdo:

send a command to a micro saying "send this code"

[13:15:39]

Beirdo:

yeah, or AVR or whatnot

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juski:

I'd love to see a PIC with proper ethernet

[13:16:11]

Beirdo:

basically, USB-capable processor plus a transistor and an LED, etc.

[13:16:24]

Beirdo:

ethernet would also suffice nicely

[13:16:31]

Beirdo:

Actually, I think I'd prefer ethernet

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juski:

no drivers :)

[13:16:54]

Beirdo:

little micro with a minimal TCP stack

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juski:

no farking around with lirc

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Beirdo:

damned right

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Beirdo:

you feel like making some PCBs? ;)

[13:17:36]

Beirdo:

I'd be happy to design such a solution, but PCB manufacture is a pain

[13:18:08]

Beirdo:

the microcode for that would be simple too, I've done a minimal TCP stack before (didn't test it yet)

[13:18:11]

juski:

pcbpool etc...

[13:18:20]

Beirdo:

8051 based, actually :)

[13:18:21]

Beirdo:

heh

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juski:

never used them myself but then i have a project-in-waiting

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juski:

my cat5 video tx/rx project :)

[13:18:43]

Beirdo:

:)

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juski:

do I ever complain that I'm bored? I shouldn't

[13:19:14]

Beirdo:

we have too many little projects on the go.

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Beirdo:

;)

[13:19:35]

juski:

I should never have lit the spark of my next theme this morning

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juski:

I need to crack on with slack

[13:20:10]

Beirdo:

yeah, finishing one project at a time is a great goal

[13:20:12]

juski:

I should try jams' iso on my s100 box too

[13:20:17]

Beirdo:

too bad many of us don't do so

[13:20:36]

** gardengnome has never finished a project so far **

[13:20:38]

Beirdo:

but I'm glad my little monstrosity doesn't explode or anything

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Beirdo:

hehe

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juski:

Beirdo: the thing I always worry about is killing the port driver

[13:21:24]

Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

I'm drawing max 5mA (plus a tiny bit for the regulator itself)

[13:21:55]

Beirdo:

that SHOULD be OK

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juski:

I'm surprised the drive is as strong as it is, frankly

[13:23:13]

Beirdo:

yeah, I looked at specs for the MAX232, which used to be the "standard" chip

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Beirdo:

who knows with the integrated IO chips

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Beirdo:

although I think most of them still use off-chip voltage convertors

[13:24:35]

Beirdo:

PCB-POOL looks kinda cool

[13:24:50]

Beirdo:

although shipping to PR will likely suck

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Beirdo:

heh

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juski:

we use max232 clones

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Beirdo:

I would think that even the clones will have similar source/sink capabilities

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Beirdo:

I should look into the possibilities for ethernet micros again

[13:27:58]

juski:

project I wanna do one day is a web-enabled HA controller

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juski:

might just be easier to repurpose my epia board when I'm done with it

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Beirdo:

nice

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juski:

but it'd be fantastic just to send a http request to a box from my myth frontend to say "dim lights to 3"

[13:29:37]

Beirdo:

http://www.parallax.com/detail.asp?product_id=BS1USB

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Beirdo:

hmmm, that's tempting

[13:29:48]

Beirdo:

USB, but neat

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Beirdo:

http://www.rabbitsemiconductor.com/

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Beirdo:

those were the ones I was thinking of... a bit pricy though

[13:33:34]

juski:

i was just looking at Rabbit's stuff

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juski:

we use one of their ethernet thingies here

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crudpuppy:

anybody tell me if qt is required for a backendonly build

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Beirdo:

$99 for a board to hack into an IR transmitter? a bit steep :)

[13:33:56]

crudpuppy:

?

[13:34:04]

Beirdo:

crudpuppy, yes, it is

[13:34:04]

juski:

crudpuppy: yes

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crudpuppy:

k

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crudpuppy:

thanks

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juski:

qt3

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crudpuppy:

yeah, I'm emergeing it now just was curious

[13:34:43]

crudpuppy:

as the directions I'm following are for full install

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Beirdo:

I wanna see if atmel has made an ethernet AVR yet :)

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juski:

emerge mythtv would drag qt in..

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crudpuppy:

yeah, isnt there a use for backend only?

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juski:

might have to mask qt4 though

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juski:

crudpuppy: nope

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juski:

it's not supported

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crudpuppy:

so I gotta compile X and all for just backend?

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crudpuppy:

geez

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juski:

you CAN just install binaries for X & crap you know

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crudpuppy:

well if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it right

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crudpuppy:

:-)

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juski:

package cds can save a _lot_ of time

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juski:

oh well. see you in a couple of days then

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crudpuppy:

juski, if this was a "normal" machine it'd been done from stage 1

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** Beirdo hands crudpuppy a case of beer. Have fun **

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crudpuppy:

I'm mascocist

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juski:

I thought they'd done away with stage1

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crudpuppy:

wouldnt know, havent really done a full install on a devel machine in a while

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crudpuppy:

just a myth box that I didnt care about

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crudpuppy:

lol

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juski:

I care, so I'm setting off on the road to rolling my own

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juski:

mostly so I can learn stuff though

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crudpuppy:

hey you sure about the backendonly use flag?

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Beirdo:

ooooh. AVR32 core with 2 built-in 10/100 MACs?

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crudpuppy:

according to gentoo-portage its there

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juski:

I'm sure about the ./configure option I think

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** Beirdo goes to digikey to get a price **

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crudpuppy:

backendonly

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crudpuppy:

Global: Builds only the backend component rather then the whole suite

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crudpuppy:

Local: Builds only the backend component rather then the whole suite

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Beirdo:

$37.63 for qty 1

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Beirdo:

oh hell. BGA part

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Beirdo:

useless

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Beirdo:

for home use anyways

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Beirdo:

has USB2.0 built in too... including PHY

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moh:

wow. its nice that it as a PHY.

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moh:

a *LOT* of the fast stuff is BGA

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janneg:

crudpuppy: don't use. the ebuild abuses a configure option intended only to help porting

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** moh 's current board has all kinds of bga on it. CPU, Sata, gigE PHYs **

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juski:

we've been using bga for ages here. I hate it

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juski:

the designers of the boards never put enough test points on

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juski:

heheh true

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juski:

indeed

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Beirdo:

if it were for a production run, sure BGA is fine :)

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Beirdo:

that AVR32 does look awefully sweet though

[13:46:20]

crudpuppy:

janneg, I don't really understand what that means but ok

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moh:

If you transcode recordings where do they end up? They stay in the same dir as the rest of the TV recordings?

[13:47:59]

juski:

moh: in the same place, with the same filename, usually

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juski:

nice little weekend project :-P

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

oh, and they are ROM programmable, not FLASH? so you'd need external FLASH

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Beirdo:

fuck

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Beirdo:

but it has the ether MAC

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Beirdo:

AND will run Linux

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Beirdo:

I think

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moh:

yeah, it should.

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janneg:

crudpuppy: there is no supported way of making a backend only build

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Beirdo:

no MMU, I think, but I think there is an embedded version for ARM-thumb. been a while since I looked

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moh:

Beirdo: its not uncommon that the SOCs don't have flash, is it?

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Beirdo:

quite

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Beirdo:

although Atmel often puts FLASH on chip

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Beirdo:

OK, there we go

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Beirdo:

AT91SAM7X128 – 100QFP. $12.58 for 1. 128k FLASH on chip, ethernet

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Beirdo:

ARM7TDMI core

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moh:

will u-boot or whatever bootloader you use for ARM fit in 128k?

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Beirdo:

I could likely fit the whole thing in that

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Beirdo:

a challenge ;)

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moh:

really? kernels are bigger than that, I would think.

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Beirdo:

32k SRAM too

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Beirdo:

nah, I wouldn't be running linux in it likely.

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moh:

You're talking MBytes

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moh:

ah. :-)

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Beirdo:

just to do an IR transmitter/receiver

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moh:

without Linux that's a different story.

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Beirdo:

I don't mind slinging my own embedded OS, I love that stuff

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Beirdo:

wonder if they have a devel kit for that

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melunko:

Hello there, is there any way to use MythVideos remotely?

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GreyFoxx:

melunko: like on aremote frontend ?

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Beirdo:

$250 for an development/eval board

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Beirdo:

hmph

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melunko:

GreyFoxx: yes

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GreyFoxx:

melunko: mount the video directory with nfs or samba to the frontend

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GreyFoxx:

For instance I have /data/videos "Shared" on my backend and mounted on all frontends

[14:02:12]

melunko:

GreyFoxx: I see. Is there any initiative to include it as a backend service?

[14:02:41]

melunko:

can I get them from upnp?

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Beirdo:

seems that ucLinux supports this chipset anyways

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GreyFoxx:

melunko: If you are running SVN you can serve the videos via upnp

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GreyFoxx:

but I don't think anyone but me actively uses it :)

[14:19:16]

GreyFoxx:

the video serving portion that is

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melunko:

GreyFoxx: Canola app for Nokia770 works as a upnp av client

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** stuarta pokes the ISO639 Language Descriptor violently **

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melunko:

GreyFoxx: I am running 0.20, and the upnp exports only "Recordings" and "Music". Does the svn version exports mythvideos folder?

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stuarta:

it does

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magius_pendragon:

could i possibly get some help here? channel data + schedule data is missaligned or something

[14:27:48]

magius_pendragon:

not sure how to fix it

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stuarta:

define "missaligned or something"

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melunko:

stuarta: thanks

[14:29:56]

magius_pendragon:

stuarta: the shows are showing up on the wrong channel, like the listings for lifetime are listed under usa

[14:31:24]

stuarta:

sounds like the xmltvid's are wrong...

[14:31:46]

stuarta:

assuming the data is correct at your provider

[14:33:01]

magius_pendragon:

any idea how to fix it? it seems okay for this week, but like next week is messed up

[14:33:04]

magius_pendragon:

or something

[14:33:17]

magius_pendragon:

probably from me trying to fix another problem...

[14:34:12]

stuarta:

first verify the data is correct at your provider

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dilano:

Anyone using fedora Core 6?

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rsdvd:

dilano : yes – my Myth backend is running FC6

[14:37:35]

dilano:

I have a question for ya.. it pertains to the jarod guide

[14:37:40]

rsdvd:

ok

[14:38:02]

dilano:

He says he has problems with fedora loading his nvidia settings, alsa setting etc

[14:38:05]

magius_pendragon:

stuarta: not sure what you mean by that honestly. Currently, i've been checking the listings from myth against tvguide.com. Its correct up until the 19th

[14:38:09]

dilano:

I have the same issue

[14:38:24]

dilano:

he says to add a startup script

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dilano:

for the life of me, i cannot find the location to put such a script

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stuarta:

magius_pendragon: well that's what I mean, tvguide being your provider...

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rsdvd:

what are you supposed to be adding, most stuff can be added to any 'startup script'...........rc etc

[14:39:35]

dilano:

he says the location is "~/.kde/Autostart/

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dilano:

"

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dilano:

sry, forgot thhe last "

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rsdvd:

ok – that is the kde desktop startup folder (similar to the startup folder in Windows XP)

[14:40:42]

** juski laughs. the cabling company looked at the room plans upside down so got all the video feeds under the wrong desks **

[14:40:43]

dilano:

where is that at?

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dilano:

or better yet, how can i find it

[14:41:11]

dilano:

I've done a search for "Autostart"

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dilano:

searched for 5 min, and came up empty

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rsdvd:

dilano : it is in ~/.kde (the .kde folder in your home directectory)

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juski:

the ~ part means in your home directory

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rsdvd:

if the folder is not there – just create it

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rsdvd:

or you can probably add the script to any one of a hundred places, just make sure it gets called during the boot/login

[14:42:25]

dilano:

ok, so I'm in /home/mythtv/

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dilano:

correct place?

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magius_pendragon:

stuarta: if you're saying check that tvguide is correct, then I can tell you that show's which I know air on certian channels (because I watch them fairly regularly) are showing up on the correct channels on tvguide, and on incorrect channels in myth. If you mean check the data that's being downloaded from zap2it, which is where mythtv is downloading the data, I haven't checked that yet...i'll do that now

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doc__:

hi there :)

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dilano:

sry, I'm a linux noob

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rsdvd:

there wil be a hidden directory called .kde

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dilano:

how can I "see" hidden dir's

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rsdvd:

the dot infornt hides it from a noormal ls

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rsdvd:

ls -la

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rsdvd:

a is for all

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dilano:

gotcha

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dilano:

ok, I see it

[14:44:03]

rsdvd:

you can cd into it cd .kde

[14:44:12]

dilano:

damn, don't I feel stoopid :)

[14:44:45]

juski:

nah stupid is doing rm -rf /

[14:44:49]

juski:

been there

[14:44:57]

rsdvd:

lol......we all have to learn at some point – I waited will I worked in a software house till I had to ask these questions – then you feel stoopid when youa re being paid to know :-)

[14:44:58]

Dr_willis:

stupid is doing that twice. :)

[14:45:04]

rsdvd:

lol

[14:45:20]

dilano:

thx for the help

[14:45:24]

juski:

it does stop after a while though.. cos the rm command disappears

[14:45:26]

magius_pendragon:

stuarta: the zap2it website listings has the tv shows on the right channel, so my guess is the problem is on my box

[14:45:28]

rsdvd:

juski : i once nearly did that on a customers server.......through I was on my local dev server

[14:45:29]

dilano:

its been greatly appreciated

[14:46:01]

magius_pendragon:

dilano: don't feel bad, everyone was a noob at some point :)

[14:46:06]

rsdvd:

depends on the OS – in AIX it caches the command that is running so you can actaully wipe the whole box

[14:47:00]

rsdvd:

dilano – I would seriously recommend trying MythDora if you are a noob........it has evything set up for you (Fedora and Mythtv)

[14:47:23]

Dr_willis:

MythDora the Explora

[14:47:24]

Dr_willis:

:)

[14:47:34]

stuarta:

oh dear...

[14:47:37]

rsdvd:

:-)

[14:47:40]

Dr_willis:

Using KnoppMyth here.

[14:47:43]

melunko:

I am using MythVideos... I added a .avi file and its subtitles .srt in the mythvideo folder. My problem is that I would like to hide the .srt file, but no success.

[14:47:52]

melunko:

Any idea?

[14:47:57]

stuarta:

patch patch patch patch!!!

[14:48:09]

juski:

melunko: tell it to ignore them in the file types menu

[14:48:27]

** stuarta suspects he's not being very helpful this afternoon **

[14:48:27]

rsdvd:

juski : I have just got back from town – when to buy a dremmel so I can cut up my S100 :-)

[14:48:40]

melunko:

juski, I did, but no success.... I added .srt extension and choose to ignore it, but it still appear :(

[14:48:53]

juski:

melunko: re-scan the video dir

[14:49:05]

melunko:

justki: hummmm

[14:50:11]

melunko:

juski: just works :)

[14:50:34]

** juski whistles victoriously **

[14:50:42]

rsdvd:

lol

[14:51:08]

juski:

only reason I know that is that I had to get it to ignore jpegs

[14:51:21]

melunko:

juski: mythvideos have 3 places to manage it... My brain can handle at max 2 :)

[14:51:38]

magius_pendragon:

is there a place to check the xmltvid's against the channel numbers or something to make sure those are correct?

[14:51:40]

juski:

only one real solution then.. get an upgrade

[14:52:13]

dilano:

sry, was away form terminal

[14:52:25]

dilano:

well, I got all of Myth setup... no hassles

[14:52:31]

n4r0zA633k:

Anybody know how to fix a missing $HOME/.mythtv/mysql.txt ?

[14:52:39]

dilano:

even got my pcHDTV3000 setup without a hitch

[14:52:41]

juski:

n4r0zA633k: yes. make a new one

[14:52:55]

rsdvd:

dilano: congratualtions

[14:53:00]

n4r0zA633k:

awesome... how is that usually done?

[14:53:04]

dilano:

thx

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dilano:

pretty happy with my progress so far

[14:53:25]

juski:

n4r0zA633k: w17h @ t3xt 3d1t0r

[14:53:41]

rsdvd:

n4r0zA633k : easiest way – copy one from another user

[14:53:53]

dilano:

breaking out the l33t speak I see

[14:54:16]

juski:

he started it

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n4r0zA633k:

juski: OK, I've got one user and no idea what the structure of mysql.txt should look like... sorry about the l33t name... I'm a n00b when it comes to this stuff

[14:55:02]

gbee:

oh juski, you should know better!

[14:55:23]

** stuarta prepares the trout... **

[14:55:54]

dilano:

well, that autoload script did nothing :(

[14:56:03]

juski:

being a noob is no excuse

[14:56:08]

juski:

for anything

[14:56:21]

juski:

anyway I was being sarcastic ;)

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Dr_willis:

other then asking 'where to begin' :)

[14:56:31]

juski:

or is that even not a good enough reason?

[14:57:43]

rsdvd:

dilano – did you create a script call AutoStart or a directory? if memory serves I think that should be a directory and it will run each file in it each time you start kde?

[14:58:06]

juski:

n4r0zA633k: http://www.pastebin.ca/312039

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magius_pendragon:

anyone?

[14:58:47]

juski:

yeah I'll have a beer. cheers

[14:58:55]

dilano:

well, I went to the ~/.kde/Autostart dir

[14:59:00]

Dr_willis:

if you are refering to the KDE autostart dir – the name of it here is /home/USERNAME/.kde/Autostart/

[14:59:11]

dilano:

created a script called myth-load.sh

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melunko:

juski: do you know who is involved with mythtv upnp implementation?

[14:59:20]

Dr_willis:

be sure the script is executable.

[14:59:40]

n4r0zA633k:

juski: thanks... I'll fire it up

[14:59:41]

dilano:

preformed a chmod +x ~/.kde/Autostart/myth-load.sh

[14:59:52]

juski:

melunko: all I know is it works & is pretty nifty

[15:00:07]

juski:

n4r0zA633k: you will need to change the dbhostname & password to suit your machine

[15:00:19]

dilano:

hmmmm.. maybe I'll try commenting out a few things... could it be that it got stuck somewheres, and the rest just didn't load?

[15:00:21]

rsdvd:

dilano : what does the script actually do?

[15:00:47]

melunko:

justki: I see, I would like to know what tool is been used for testing as a client

[15:01:02]

magius_pendragon:

is there a way to see the xml data downloadede by mythfilldatabase?

[15:01:08]

juski:

melunko: all kinds

[15:01:13]

dilano:

supposed to load my nvidia config (it reverts back to the default upon each boot) and load up mythfrontend, disable the DPM, and screen saver

[15:01:31]

dilano:

it did none of that :(

[15:02:04]

rsdvd:

ok – got the script on wilsonet

[15:02:11]

dilano:

yes :)

[15:02:24]

rsdvd:

add some simple degug type stuff so you check the script is being called

[15:02:36]

juski:

melunko: works great on some clients, not on others. the more folks with other clients where it doesn't work who report it – the better

[15:03:49]

dilano:

I've added it to just do mythfrontend atm

[15:04:02]

dilano:

we'll see if its even being called

[15:05:32]

dilano:

hmmm.. didn't even load mythfrontend

[15:05:41]

dilano:

this blows :)

[15:05:51]

rsdvd:

My guess is it is not being called then :-)

[15:05:58]

GreyFoxx:

melunko: I use djmount under linux, nero showtime under windows, supposedly vlc under windows will eventually support being a upnp client

[15:06:16]

GreyFoxx:

and others use Windows Media PLayer 11 under Vista as a upnp client

[15:06:36]

Dr_willis:

I had GeeXbox see the upnp stuff once.. but dident play the files. (it saw them). then i tried again later.. and it dident even see the Mythtv unpn server

[15:06:40]

GreyFoxx:

most upnp users are likely using hardware players

[15:06:51]

GreyFoxx:

Dr_willis: svn ?

[15:06:55]

Dr_willis:

aint troubble shot it any more since then.

[15:06:56]

rsdvd:

if [ `echo $DISPLAY | grep

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rsdvd:

oops – wrong windows :-(

[15:07:06]

dilano:

I would say so

[15:07:30]

Dr_willis:

GreyFoxx, KnoppMyth R5E50 – i changed the 'ip' from 127.0.0.1 to the actuap ip (like a wiki page said) and it dident see it after that.. Need to play with it some more

[15:07:56]

dilano:

what does the first line mean.... cause maybe its not hitting its trigger, so its not calling the rest of the script???

[15:07:57]

rsdvd:

dilano – I think the if block in that script might be wrong.............$DISPLAY is not always set

[15:08:34]

dilano:

ok.... so its not hitting its trigger, so then its not calling the rest of the script......

[15:08:47]

dilano:

would one be right in assuming so?

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rsdvd:

just a thought

[15:09:36]

rsdvd:

just take out the if bit (it's only there to stop you running the frontend every time you VNC in

[15:09:50]

dilano:

ahhh, ok

[15:09:52]

dilano:

gotcha

[15:10:35]

Dr_willis:

i recall issues last time i vnc'd into a box and using kde, that i had a desktop/kde allreaddy running on.

[15:11:33]

rsdvd:

Dr_willis : I have kde running all the time on the colsole, but I do nearly everything else by VNCing into the box from my desk (save a trip to the loft where the servers are)

[15:12:28]

Dr_willis:

I seem to recall that i 'logged' out of the kde vnc session.. and it logged me out of the local machine/desktop as well. :)

[15:12:36]

Dr_willis:

that bug may be fixed by now. :)

[15:13:02]

Dr_willis:

i was using 2 seperate kde instances.. not 1 'shared' desktop on vnc and locally.

[15:13:20]

n4r0zA633k:

juski: Well, that did more than I've been able to in the last week. An xsession starts and prompts me for hostname, database, user, password, and database type. I'm using 127.0.0.1, mythtv, mythtv, <NULL>, and MySQL, respectively. (They are all values that I typed into mysql.txt) As soon as I <Enter> through the database configuration, the xsession ends. Any ideas?

[15:16:08]

dilano:

man, I'm trying to make this damn thing as wife friendly as possible... she already hates it with a passion :(

[15:16:08]

fryfrog:

has anyone updated to recent svn... recently? any good fixes/features as compared to a month or so ago?

[15:16:27]

fryfrog:

dilano: you just gotta make it so all she ever sees is the UI

[15:16:39]

GreyFoxx:

dilano: My wife loves it, but isn't a fan of mythmusic even though she uses it all the time :)

[15:16:43]

fryfrog:

setup your distro to auto-login to X, auto-start mythfrontend and re-start it if it ever fails

[15:17:01]

dilano:

<--- thats what I'm trying to do :) hehehheheehehe

[15:17:29]

fryfrog:

what are you having trouble with, because *that* stuff is fairly easy

[15:17:47]

fryfrog:

gdm has an "options" setting you can use to pick a user to auto-login as

[15:18:13]

dilano:

well, I already have it autologged... pretty straight forward

[15:18:23]

fryfrog:

auto-starting (and restarting) mythfrontend is a pretty simple cron script run as the same user you log into X with that checks to see if mythfrontend is running and if not, starts it

[15:18:52]

dilano:

now tryig to get the wilsonet script running (needs to adjust my nvidia settings, autostart myth, disable DPM, and screen saver)

[15:19:01]

fryfrog:

http://pastebin.ca/312050

[15:19:23]

fryfrog:

thats a simple script that keeps myth up, run ever minute from a cron

[15:19:27]

GreyFoxx:

A cron ? I suppose you could do it that way

[15:19:45]

fryfrog:

i spose you could also put it inside a permanantly looping script that is run once

[15:19:59]

fryfrog:

it would certainly re-spawn the fe faster

[15:20:02]

GreyFoxx:

while [ 1 ] do etc etc

[15:20:17]

n4r0zA633k:

Anybody remember what the default database name is?

[15:20:23]

fryfrog:

i find the 1 minute break useful though, it gives me tiem to exit and run mythsetup

[15:20:23]

GreyFoxx:

n4r0zA633k: mythconverg

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fryfrog:

myth... yeah

[15:20:32]

n4r0zA633k:

Grey: thanks

[15:21:54]

n4r0zA633k:

How about $HOME/.mythtv/mysql.txt owner and file permissions? Anyone?

[15:22:08]

fryfrog:

doesn't much matter

[15:22:18]

fryfrog:

make sure its readable by your user, which it should be if you put it in your home dir

[15:22:37]

magius_pendragon:

n4r0zA633k: i have user rw, group r, world r

[15:22:37]

rsdvd:

just give it 666 – there is nothign dangerous in it

[15:23:06]

n4r0zA633k:

thanks a bunch, everyone, back in a sec

[15:24:22]

magius_pendragon:

really don't know how to go about fixing this problem, can anyone offer advice? Was trying to verify xmltvid's but i have no clue where to get the correct id's to verify against

[15:25:11]

rsdvd:

magius_pendragon : I am not sure if ther is a definitive source of xmltvid's

[15:25:52]

magius_pendragon:

rsdvd: well something got messed up, i just have no idea how to fix it.

[15:26:17]

rsdvd:

clear your tables down and start again?

[15:26:25]

rsdvd:

where do you get your data from?

[15:28:03]

magius_pendragon:

the data is dled from zap2it. I had tried deleting the channels and rescanning, deleting and telling myth to grab it from the xml, and deleting and just running mythfilldatabase, and somewhere between the first and the 2nd is where the channel data got shifted

[15:28:59]

rsdvd:

I am in the UK so I don;t use zap2it......so I am not much help!

[15:29:36]

juski:

find some cheap BNC snakes they said.. pfft

[15:29:45]

magius_pendragon:

rsdvd: well i mean if i go to their website and browse the listings, those are correct, but when i run mythfilldatabase, the data is correct until the 19th and then it just gets compleatly wrong

[15:30:12]

rsdvd:

maybe they are just corrupt at their end?

[15:30:13]

magius_pendragon:

i don't think its the data, i really think its my myth

[15:30:56]

rsdvd:

if you clear the data down and the re-check and it is always on the 19th then I would guess it tis the data

[15:31:40]

dilano:

is Family Guy still on??!?!?1

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rsdvd:

juski : EIT data by any chance :-)

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magius_pendragon:

rsdvd: its from the 19th onwards, not just that day. I think what's happened is that the data for this week was already in the database, so it only dled from the 19th on, but that was dled with wrong ids or something

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rsdvd:

ok! that is why I suggested clearing all the data down.....then it would get allt he data and you can see if the dloaded data is corrupt

[15:33:44]

juski:

rsdvd: jups

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magius_pendragon:

rsdvd: understandable, do i just drop the tables from mysql? or is there a better way?

[15:34:16]

rsdvd:

most of the xmltvids in the UK are quite easy to check as they have sensible names (plus-1.uk-style.flextech.telewest.co.uk) etc

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rsdvd:

magius_pendragon : I am not suer the 'best way' of doing it – but I woudl backup the programs table then truncate it

[15:35:24]

juski:

delete from program where starttime > "2007-02–28 00:00:00"; ... sorted

[15:35:45]

magius_pendragon:

fun, now i just need to figure out how to back up the table

[15:36:21]

juski:

the wiki tells you how to dump the mysql db

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magius_pendragon:

juski: thanks

[15:36:33]

juski:

or man mysqldump

[15:36:48]

juski:

that's DUMP.. not DROP !!!

[15:37:02]

magius_pendragon:

juski: hehe i know not to drop it :)

[15:37:54]

rsdvd:

I have oftern thought they are too similar

[15:38:33]

kslater:

looking users list email archives I'm having trouble getting a handle on whether myth .20 can make a 720p HD recording into a DVD playable format (using mytharchive of course)

[15:38:37]

rsdvd:

the EIT scanner stuff could do with some sanity checks before if writes tot he database

[15:38:39]

kslater:

anyone care to weigh in?

[15:38:52]

stuarta:

rsdvd: that would just cover up the underlying issue

[15:39:04]

stuarta:

which is why we haven't done it.

[15:39:06]

juski:

kslater: that'd be a job for transcoding

[15:39:30]

juski:

and YES myth can do that

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rsdvd:

stuarta : true.....but surely the underlying cause it cause the transmitted data is pants

[15:39:57]

stuarta:

sadly no. it's a small corner case in our processing of the data

[15:40:31]

rsdvd:

stuarta : ok! maybe one day I will undersatand it enough to offer the help

[15:40:35]

stuarta:

due mainly to suboptimal handling of noisy streams

[15:42:02]

Dagmar:

Damnit. I don't suppose anyone knows the correct way to assign an array to a variable indirectly in bash??

[15:42:15]

dilano:

rsdvd: I've gotten o wheres on the auto script.. so have given up... got a question about rpms though, and location of programs after they are installed

[15:42:24]

Dagmar:

let "$_retvar=( $tmp )" just gives me a saucy little error

[15:43:05]

** stuarta suggests perl **

[15:43:20]

stuarta:

or swearing

[15:43:24]

Dagmar:

stuarta: I'd *love* to but this is more package management code, so it's got to be in shell

[15:43:26]

Merlin83b:

stuarta: Do you read xkcd?

[15:43:52]

Dagmar:

I'm trying to get away from using eval so much, I'm sure I can do this without evaling the thing... if I can just figure out bash's insane grammar

[15:44:06]

stuarta:

Merlin83b: nope. linkey?

[15:44:37]

n4r0zA633k:

Under "Database configuration," should I specify "root" as the user of mythconverg ?

[15:45:07]

Dagmar:

n4r0zA633k: No.

[15:45:22]

Dagmar:

...and what is this "

[15:45:29]

Dagmar:

...and what is this "Database configuration" you speak of?

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rsdvd:

dilano : the lircrc file ives in /etc

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dilano:

ok, so no need ot actually put it in the myth dir then, correct?

[15:46:14]

dilano:

*to

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n4r0zA633k:

Database Configuration appears at the top of an xsession when I run the command: sudo mythtv-setup

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rsdvd:

you can have per user files int he .mythtv directory or a global one in /etc

[15:46:43]

dilano:

gotcha

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magius_pendragon:

or both

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rsdvd:

true......the per-user will override the global

[15:47:47]

moh:

on the lirc homepage

[15:47:53]

rsdvd:

depends on your remote.......each has it's own example

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dilano:

ok, thx for the help

[15:48:53]

dilano:

maybe i can get the remote working so she can use it while I'm at class tonight :)

[15:48:58]

magius_pendragon:

rsdvd: damn, should have done that sooner, it worked. Thanks a bunch

[15:49:23]

dilano:

maybe then she'll start to come around to it

[15:49:43]

rsdvd:

dilano : you can find the sample lircd and lircrc files in /usr/share/docs/lirc*

[15:49:46]

dilano:

I think its the lack of a remote thats turning her away

[15:49:47]

Dagmar:

n4r0zA633k: Dude, you need to read the installation documentation.

[15:50:17]

Dagmar:

Anything that says "I haven't even made an attempt to look at documentation" is a question I will never answer.

[15:50:31]

n4r0zA633k:

Dagmar: that's what I've been doing for the last week

[15:50:56]

Dagmar:

n4r0zA633k: I feel it only fair to warn you that I am practically famous for being a bastard when people say things like that to me.

[15:51:41]

n4r0zA633k:

Dagmar: Ok, so I come back in another week?

[15:52:23]

Dagmar:

n4r0zA633k: I'll still be here.

[15:52:56]

dilano:

thx for the help so far rsdvd

[15:53:30]

rsdvd:

dilano : no problem! I am normally around if I can help

[15:53:49]

Dagmar:

n4r0zA633k: Here's a big hint... the DEFAULT VALUE is correct

[15:53:54]

juski:

Merlin83b: chuckle :)

[15:54:19]

Merlin83b:

xkcd is excellent.

[15:54:21]

Dagmar:

n4r0zA633k: If you go through http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall step-by-step, you will not be asking such questions.

[15:54:28]

Merlin83b:

Go back through the archives, juski.

[15:54:42]

Merlin83b:

It started out a bit ropey but got good after some time and is now consistently funny

[15:55:31]

dilano:

so now will putting the lircrc file in /etc allow mythtv to use them... reading the instructions says it needs to be in the "~/mythtv-0.20/contrib/configfiles"

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dilano:

which I cannot find

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Dagmar:

dilano: What documentation says this?

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Dagmar:

dilano: You need to read again. It does not say that.

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dilano:

if I'm reading it correctly

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rsdvd:

dilano : contrib is the contribution directory- contains sample files people think might be helpfull......you cont have a per-user version (the tilde is the homedirectory so per-user)

[15:58:15]

dilano:

ahh, ok

[15:58:17]

Dagmar:

dilano: It says "Take a look at the lircrc.example files in the contrib/configfiles/ directory." It says nothing about you putting any files in there.

[15:58:31]

dilano:

I see now

[15:58:38]

rsdvd:

it says to put it in /etc/lircd.conf

[15:58:58]

dilano:

so what its saying is take the mythtv example file, and place it in the /home/USER/directory, coeerct?

[15:59:01]

dilano:

*correct

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dilano:

<---duh!

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Dagmar:

Don't take this the wrong way, but is English your first language?

[15:59:59]

dilano:

yes :)

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Dagmar:

Enh okay

[16:00:13]

dilano:

thx for asking though :)

[16:00:22]

Dagmar:

That part of the thing isn't wikified or I'd clarify that section right now

[16:00:23]

rsdvd:

LOL

[16:00:54]

rsdvd:

yes – copy the file from the contrib to your /home/USER/.mythtv....or to the /etc

[16:00:56]

Dagmar:

It probably should mention something along the lines of $HOME should the for the uid that's going to be running the frontend

[16:01:37]

rsdvd:

true! there is no point putting the file in /home/fred then running the mythfrontend as mythtv

[16:01:45]

dilano:

gotcha..... sry to be a bother Dagmar ;)

[16:02:04]

Dagmar:

I've been writing these things down in a spiral notebook when I see them, in preparation for when this thing makes it way over to the wkki

[16:02:32]

dilano:

I hope to at least give ya a chuckle :)

[16:02:34]

Dagmar:

dilano: You're not being a bother

[16:03:13]

rsdvd:

if you were to write a wiki entry from a noobs point of you – then that could seriously help another person in your place

[16:03:37]

Dagmar:

I am kinda considering it, but then you see by now how many people are in here daily who don't read at _all_

[16:03:38]

dilano:

well, I hope at least I'm making you laugh :)

[16:03:47]

Dagmar:

I kinda die inside a little when I see them

[16:04:29]

Dagmar:

damn I hate bash

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rsdvd:

dagmar : bash is horrid to write in – use perl or something instead

[16:13:16]

rsdvd:

I bet that was heavy

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juski:

aye

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Dagmar:

rsdvd: No shit it's a horrible language, but like I said before, I'm doing installer stuff, so I kinda *have* to write it in bash script

[16:14:39]

Dagmar:

I could do this ten times faster in perl, but then if it ever attempted to upgrade the perl package there would be a nice potential for *KABLOOIE* not to mention what could go wrong if perl should in some way become broken.

[16:16:20]

rsdvd:

ok – that makes sense

[16:16:53]

Dagmar:

Since I've more or less got working Slackware packages of MythTV, it's now time for me to stop being a lazy bint and finish up on a proper installation app

[16:16:54]

dagfinnr:

Hello. Does the hauppage have an irblaster to control STP boxes?

[16:17:13]

Dagmar:

I don't think any of them have xmitters on them, actually.

[16:18:01]

dagfinnr:

the hauppage pvr150 i mean

[16:18:12]

Dagmar:

That would be a member of set "any", alright

[16:18:22]

dagfinnr:

yep :P

[16:19:00]

Dagmar:

Pretty much all but the PVR-500 have versions both with and without IR reciever plugs, but no transmitters that I'm aware of

[16:19:07]

dagfinnr:

so I have to get an irblaster from somewhere else then..ebay maybe :P do you have any irblasters to recommend?

[16:20:16]

fryfrog:

dagfinnr: check your cable box first

[16:20:26]

fryfrog:

it may have firewire or serial port, which might be able to change channel

[16:20:38]

fryfrog:

if it has firewire, you might even get lucky and not even *need* a tv card

[16:21:46]

juski:

we should lobby for a name change

[16:21:49]

juski:

mythtv pvr150

[16:21:52]

dagfinnr:

hehe

[16:22:10]

Dagmar:

I kinda get the feeling we're the majority reason they sell the things

[16:22:20]

alsoconfused:

dagfinnr: you lost me. you read that it has an irblaster so you thought you'd ask if it exists?

[16:23:03]

dagfinnr:

well, when googling around i found that its listed with an irblaster, but I read on some forums that there isnt any drivers for it ..

[16:23:16]

alsoconfused:

ahh

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Dagmar:

Probably it's annothing "annoyingly optional" thing

[16:24:44]

dagfinnr:

so I thought that I would ask around here if anyone is using the pvr with an irblaster to control a stb

[16:24:44]

Dagmar:

Now I see one on NewEgg that has a blaster on it

[16:25:27]

dagfinnr:

NewEgg?

[16:25:37]

Dagmar:

Yeah, it's where I buy most of my stuff online from

[16:26:04]

Dagmar:

They've also got a pretty awesome search engine on their site, so it's rather useful at times to look up stuff *there* even if you're going to buy it elsewhere

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dagfinnr:

aha

[16:29:13]

i10neorg:

Any hints where to look for problems would be appreciated...

[16:29:34]

i10neorg:

I have an install where all is well except the text in the main menus is gone.

[16:29:53]

i10neorg:

All other text is present (osd, program guide, recorded shows, etc.)

[16:29:56]

Dagmar:

Disable the OpenGL paint engine

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i10neorg:

Dagmar: Thanks, I don't think I'm using it, but I'll check.

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Dagmar:

That's one of the things that usual screws that up. Otherwise, change to a different theme

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i10neorg:

I'm using GNANT, but the problem doesn't exist with Blue.

[16:31:33]

i10neorg:

I looked at the GNANT theme, but it seems to use the same font (Arial) for all it's stuff, so I'd think if it was a font problem on my part, none of it would work (not the case).

[16:31:48]

dagfinnr:

does the epg still works on multiple channels when using a irblaster to control a stb?

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Dagmar:

i10neorg: Definitely disable the OpenGL paint engine

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i10neorg:

Weird anyway. Just thought those familiar with themes might know how the text I'm missing is handled differently than other text, and point me where to start trouble shooting.

[16:33:31]

i10neorg:

Dagmar: Okay, I'll check right now, thanks.

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juski:

there goes the "it's hometime" interrupt..

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Beirdo:

I hate my ISP

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i10neorg:

Dagmar: I confirmed I'm not using OpenGL for theme painting.

[16:39:00]

i10neorg:

I turned it on, just to see if the text would come back, it did not.

[16:39:14]

i10neorg:

Now I'm back to Qt painting with the same problem.

[16:39:18]

i10neorg:

So strange!

[16:39:29]

Dagmar:

The only other thing that usually causes oddness like that is when someone has upgraded mythtv but didn't bother to upgrade their themes as well

[16:39:42]

i10neorg:

Hmm...

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Dagmar:

If you're using SVN trunk, all bets are off

[16:40:04]

i10neorg:

I'm using Marillat's Debian testing packages.

[16:40:21]

Dagmar:

Report it upstream to him then

[16:40:38]

i10neorg:

I just don't think it's a package problem.

[16:40:59]

i10neorg:

I've not heard anyone else report such a problem (and it's so obvious I'm sure users would complain).

[16:41:19]

Dagmar:

Then you're basically saying you've misconfigured your system

[16:41:21]

i10neorg:

And I even have my laptop as a second frontend, same packages, and it works fine.

[16:41:27]

i10neorg:

Yes.

[16:41:48]

i10neorg:

Just wondering from those more familiar with the internals of myth where I might start looking.

[16:41:49]

Dagmar:

Any significant (other than the driver) differences in those two machine's X configs?

[16:41:57]

Dagmar:

Man I'd blame X

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i10neorg:

Hehe

[16:42:26]

i10neorg:

You'd think it was a font problem at the X level, /no/ fonts would show up.

[16:42:34]

Dagmar:

Hardly.

[16:42:40]

i10neorg:

oh

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Dagmar:

X always comes up with new and ever more perverted ways to break

[16:43:26]

Dagmar:

If those two machines are using the same packages, then it's almost guaranteed to be a configuration difference

[16:43:29]

i10neorg:

Well, both machines are running the same Debian testing packages.

[16:43:32]

i10neorg:

Yeah.

[16:43:45]

i10neorg:

I thought maybe the fontconfig lookup.

[16:44:01]

i10neorg:

But the theme uses the same font where I see text and don't.

[16:45:24]

i10neorg:

Size of the font is the only thing I see (maybe bigger drop shadows) between the main menu text that isn't showing up, and all the other text that works fine.

[16:45:48]

Dagmar:

Entertainingly, MythTV is still back in 1995 with respect to that

[16:45:50]

i10neorg:

But I can't think of a way a system configuration mishap could break it in that way.

[16:45:56]

Dagmar:

It's calling Freetype directly.

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i10neorg:

Oh? No fontconfig use?

[16:46:18]

Dagmar:

Nope.

[16:46:28]

i10neorg:

Is there anything to be configured with freetype that I might look at?

[16:46:34]

Dagmar:

This is a long shot, but you might want to force the DPI for the malfunctioning display to 100x100

[16:46:49]

i10neorg:

Mmm, good suggestion.

[16:47:02]

Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Display_Size

[16:47:40]

i10neorg:

I'm currently at 78 because I'm at 1024x768 instead of 800x600 (78 is provides and equivilient (size) at that resolution from the assumed 800x600 @ 100dpi)

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Dagmar:

0.19 was horrible about screwing up if DPI wasn't 100x100

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Dagmar:

It's possible that this is just manifesting in a freakish way for your machine

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i10neorg:

But my working laptop frontend is at 108dpi, so I'm guessing it won't make a difference (but I'll try).

[16:48:50]

Dagmar:

I made the mistake of actually configuring the display size *correctly* for my 29" TV at first with 0.19, and most of my fonts came out (no joke) less than eight pixels high

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i10neorg:

Yikes!

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i10neorg:

Dagmar: Same at 100dpi

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Dagmar:

Oh well, it was worth a shot

[16:51:53]

janneg:

any Dishnet dvb user here? I would like to see a Dishnet PAT.

[16:52:12]

i10neorg:

Dagmar: Yeah, thanks.

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jams:

GreyFoxx- so those settings changes and upnp are likely to happen post .21 ?

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JoeyJoeJo:

is there a howto on configuring a screensaver so I don't get burning with my widescreen tv?

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Dr_willis:

JoeyJoeJo, cant say that ive ever seen that mentioned befor. Perhaps a check of forums/wiki?

[18:02:17]

juski:

hmm getting all the dependencies for mythtv on slack is gonna be fun on a stick

[18:02:32]

Dr_willis:

Technology has gone full circle... used to be Screensavers actually saved the screen.. then they became just eye candy... now they are back to saving the screen.

[18:03:07]

JoeyJoeJo:

dr_willis: I found in the wiki where it says that xscreensaver is supported, but I'm not sure how to make it work

[18:03:32]

Dr_willis:

may just need to run it automaticially with your window manager..

[18:03:43]

juski:

dpms is prolly good to enable

[18:03:43]

Dr_willis:

but how do ya stop it from screensaving while you watch a show...

[18:03:52]

Dibblah:

Dr_willis: It's automatic.

[18:03:54]

juski:

you don't. mythtv does it for you with dpms

[18:04:18]

Dr_willis:

at least its supposed to. :)

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Dr_willis:

You want flying toasters on your Uber-Tv!

[18:05:29]

JoeyJoeJo:

how would you prevent getting black bars burnt into a widescreen tv when watching 4:3 stuff?

[18:05:43]

juski:

JoeyJoeJo: stretch the screen all to hell

[18:05:47]

Dibblah:

Watch 16:9 stuff instead?

[18:06:14]

JoeyJoeJo:

juski: thats what I do now, but I wondered if there was a way to make it so people don't look fat

[18:06:19]

Dibblah:

Or, use a tech that doesn't degrade with hours-per-pixel.

[18:06:47]

juski:

Dr_willis: don't leave the telly switched on all day :)

[18:06:48]

JoeyJoeJo:

dibblah: you just went over my head... whats hours-per-pixel?

[18:07:08]

Dibblah:

CRTs are not as bad as they used to be. You're talking on the order of thousands of hours for a noticable effect.

[18:07:21]

Dibblah:

Hours the pixel is switched on.

[18:07:26]

juski:

if you have kids, don't let the tv be the babysitter for more than 12 hours at a time..

[18:07:51]

Dibblah:

If you don't have kids, get more widescreen porn.

[18:08:19]

JoeyJoeJo:

dibblah: they make it in widescreen? damn, I've got to evolve past just looking at pics online

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Neeesat25:

Hello

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Dr_willis:

Hmm.. I sware i saw somewhere in the mythtv menus a way to convert a recorded show to a .avi or whatever... but i cant findit now.

[18:09:21]

Neeesat25:

I am trying to mythcomflag a video and it stops at 16%

[18:09:32]

JoeyJoeJo:

dr_willis: you probably want a user job or mytharchive, but I haven't messed with mytharchive myself

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juski:

Dr_willis: you can't convert anything to avi from the mythtv GUI

[18:10:55]

juski:

or you can.. just not out of the box

[18:11:31]

Dr_willis:

juski, heh – i though i saw it on this KnoppMyth setup.. but that may of been on the earlier release i was using last week.

[18:12:33]

juski:

some distros add 'extras'

[18:12:47]

juski:

'extras' you might not want.. like folding@home

[18:14:08]

Dibblah:

Folding? On a Myth distro?

[18:14:27]

juski:

allegedly

[18:14:34]

Dibblah:

Ick.

[18:15:10]

Dr_willis:

it asks if you want to run it... you can just say no... big deal. :)

[18:15:43]

Dr_willis:

id like to track down a nice torrent add on for my mythtv box :)

[18:15:58]

Dr_willis:

save me a little time copying things around

[18:16:00]

Dibblah:

And you'd also like to not mention that here ;)

[18:16:42]

Dibblah:

And yes, I'm aware it's only used for legal purposes, yadda, yadda.

[18:17:02]

Dr_willis:

getting where more and more mmorpgs and disrtos are using it.

[18:17:08]

Dr_willis:

which is annoying in ways

[18:18:17]

Dibblah:

I'd like to track down a nice 50% (hey, I'm not greedy) efficient solar panel.

[18:18:43]

Dibblah:

20w / m2 average just doesn't cut it.

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Dr_willis:

I was thinking 25% or so was the tops these days

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Dibblah:

It is :(

[18:19:35]

Dr_willis:

and those are the High end panels

[18:19:57]

Dibblah:

This is, of course, to run my Myth boxen :)

[18:20:38]

Neeesat25:

Anyone knows any reason why mythcomflag stops at 16%?

[18:20:55]

Dibblah:

Neeesat25: "stops"?

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Neeesat25:

well it says finished but still is not seektable

[18:21:52]

Dibblah:

Source?

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Dibblah:

I'd suggest a broken recording...

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Neeesat25:

well I convert the video from vdr to mpg

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Dibblah:

How are you running mythcommflag?

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Neeesat25:

mythcommflag --rebuild --video filename.mpg

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juski:

what format does vdr use?

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Neeesat25:

vdr

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juski:

which is...?

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Neeesat25:

filename.vdr

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** Dr_willis isent even sure what vdr is **

[18:30:20]

Neeesat25:

mpeg2 I suppose

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juski:

I wouldn't be surprised if it's just regular mpeg if it's from an mpeg source like dvb

[18:30:40]

juski:

though it's most likely to be an mpeg transport stream (ts)

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Neeesat25:

probably

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Neeesat25:

I made another one and it worked just fine with the same converting software

[18:31:42]

Neeesat25:

It didn't even need mythcommflag

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juski:

in which case you can just ffmpeg -i filename.vdr -acodec copy -vcodec copy filename.mpg

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Neeesat25:

ffmpeg can convert it just like that?

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juski:

I think so

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Neeesat25:

I will try it

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juski:

though that command line won't map streams, so if the primary audio track is the wrong language... ;)

[18:33:56]

Neeesat25:

it has only one language

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Neeesat25:

greek

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juski:

you should be fine then

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Neeesat25:

Ok juski I will try, thanks

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jams:

GreyFoxx- so those settings changes and upnp are likely to happen post .21 ?

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tha_toadman:

has anyone here successfully compiled mythtv on a PS3?

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Neeesat25:

Goto run see you all tommorow

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jmblack:

Im about to switch from cable to directtv, and after thinking about it awhile thinking maybe it wasnt the best choice ;) but I digress

[18:51:01]

Led-Hed:

if I have multiple (supported) set top cable boxes connected to my backend (in a closet) and setup as Capture cards (Firewire), when changing channels on the frontend will the backend select the correct Set Top Box and change the channel via firewire?

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kormoc:

if it's supported and setup correctly, aye

[18:52:33]

Led-Hed:

cool, so I dont need to have an ugly Set Top Box in each room. Thanks kormoc

[18:52:41]

jmblack:

Im going to have more than 1 directtv reciever (probably 2 or 3) and am wondering how the cannel changing is going to work. Im thinking Ill have to irblaster but Im slightly confused on how 1 IR blaster can get the job done

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kormoc:

jmblack, you need an irblaster for each receier

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Led-Hed:

jmblack: multiple serial ports?

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kormoc:

*receiver

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jmblack:

seems like Id need one ir blaster per reciever

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Led-Hed:

yup

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kormoc:

indeed you do

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jmblack:

how well supported (?!

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Led-Hed:

kormoc: do you know of a list of SUpported Set Top Boxes for Firewire Capture?

[18:53:59]

jmblack:

are the usb-serial converters

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kormoc:

jmblack, not at all?

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kormoc:

Led-Hed, check the wiki

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Led-Hed:

thanks

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jmblack:

k, I'll look elsewhere for the usb serial stuff. I assume linux in general has support for em but this isnt exactly the appropriate forum ;)

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Led-Hed:

jmblack: there is a USB IR project on sourceforge. I think its called USB-IR-Boy

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juski:

hmmm. getting warnings from make that distcc doesn't have any hosts configured. didn't ask for distcc to be installed

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juski:

awww diddums some forum user has a hdd full of downloaded music & he needs more room. bless

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dilano:

Anyone available to help me with some lirc problems?

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juski:

right I've gotta go. cinema time :)

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Xanium4332:

yo

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stuarta:

wibble

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Xanium4332:

:)(

[19:24:46]

Xanium4332:

still got this problem with BOB deinterlacing...

[19:25:30]

Xanium4332:

is the actual image meant to jump up and down (not really noticible, just it makes thing's slightly blurred, and some static images flicker really badly)

[19:25:49]

stuarta:

tried any different de-interlacers?

[19:26:12]

Xanium4332:

yeh

[19:26:15]

Xanium4332:

kernel and linear

[19:26:21]

Xanium4332:

but then the frame rate is crap

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Led-Hed:

dilano: just ask, dont ask to ask

[19:26:30]

Xanium4332:

news tickers look awful

[19:26:51]

Xanium4332:

BOB gets me the closest to normal TV

[19:26:55]

dilano:

hehehe

[19:27:03]

Xanium4332:

but with normal TV the screen doesn't bob at all

[19:27:12]

Led-Hed:

dilano: so whats your problem?

[19:27:25]

dilano:

well, I'm using Jarod's guide (wilsonet.com) made my OWN lircd.conf file

[19:27:41]

Led-Hed:

dilano: ok, wheres the prob?

[19:27:42]

dilano:

copied the lircrc.example file to /etc/lircrc

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Led-Hed:

k

[19:27:53]

dilano:

and for some reason, mode2 shows data

[19:28:14]

dilano:

but I get nothing when I use Myth, irw, irxevent, irexec

[19:28:17]

Led-Hed:

well, if you made your own, I assume you used IRRecord

[19:28:17]

Xanium4332:

Has anyone successfully got TV from MythTV to the same quality as standard TV? If so, how...

[19:28:21]

dilano:

yulp

[19:28:24]

dilano:

irrecord

[19:28:43]

dilano:

irrecord Harmony

[19:28:51]

dilano:

then cp Harmony lircd.conf

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Led-Hed:

when you run irw, are the buttons matching the names you created with irrecord?

[19:29:13]

Xanium4332:

brb

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dilano:

ok... look in lircrc?

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dilano:

or does irw have a file of its own?

[19:30:00]

jmblack:

irw should show the button names as you press them

[19:30:15]

dilano:

get nothing

[19:30:20]

dilano:

:(

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gardengnome:

Xanium4332: i used to use XvMC + opengl vsync + bob deinterlacing on a standard 800x600 resolution on my geforce 4 mx 440 using its composite output. the picture was really smooth.

[19:30:52]

Led-Hed:

dilano: is lircd running?

[19:30:58]

dilano:

yes

[19:31:06]

dilano:

I have it set to autorun

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gardengnome:

Xanium4332: you could also try and use a PAL/NTSC modeline. that way, you don't need to deinterlace. it never worked properly for me, though.

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Led-Hed:

dilano: run: irw and press a button

[19:31:48]

dilano:

<---- using pcHDTV + antenna + GeForce6200 and it looks better than my Sat. feed, and my Digital Cable feed

[19:31:58]

dilano:

*pcHDTV3000

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dilano:

ok, one sec

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Led-Hed:

k

[19:32:36]

dilano:

nothing.. just blinking cursor

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Xanium4332:

yeah but I have a HiDef TV

[19:32:57]

Led-Hed:

then lircd isnt running or your lircd.conf is borked

[19:33:00]

dilano:

what command can I use to see if lircd is actually running?

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Xanium4332:

I've got a 1280x720 @ Hz

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Xanium4332:

sry

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Led-Hed:

ps -A |grep lircd

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Xanium4332:

I've got a 1280x720@50Hz modeline

[19:33:42]

Xanium4332:

but it's progressive

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Xanium4332:

so I need to deinterlace

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gardengnome:

Xanium4332: what's your input source? HDTV or SDTV?

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Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: if its progressive you dont need to Deinterlace

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dilano:

I get 3009 ? 00:00:00 lircd

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gardengnome:

Led-Hed: his display is progressive. if the content is interlaced, he'll have to deinterlace

[19:35:20]

dilano:

when running the command

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Led-Hed:

gardengnome: ok, I misunderstood

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Led-Hed:

dilano: then lirc is running. so your lircd.conf must be messed up

[19:36:47]

dilano:

hmmmmm

[19:36:51]

dilano:

damn-it

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Led-Hed:

pasteit somewhere so I cal look at it. along with lircrc

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dilano:

ok

[19:37:16]

dilano:

one sec

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Led-Hed:

pastebin.ledhed.net

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rsdvd:

dilano : you need to have lircd deamon running before you start irw

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Led-Hed:

rsdvd: its running

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dilano:

yeah, it appears to be running

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rsdvd:

does if show in a ps -ef|grep lirc ?

[19:38:15]

dilano:

the lircrc file is the exact one that comes with the mythtv example files

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dilano:

root 3009 1 0 09:25 ? 00:00:00 lircd

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dilano:

thats what I get when the above command is run

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Led-Hed:

dilano: the button names you entered have to match the button names in lircrc

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dilano:

and then a similar one with grep lirc is below it

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Led-Hed:

dilano: that is just the grep process searching for "lircd" that one can be ignored

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dilano:

which they do.... Channel+ in /etc/lircd.conf matches the Channel+ in /etc/lircrc

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Led-Hed:

dilano: whereis the lircrc file?

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dilano:

located in /etc/lircrc

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Led-Hed:

no

[19:41:32]

Led-Hed:

should be in /home/mythtv/.mythtv/

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dilano:

hmmm... lemme try a sec

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dilano:

brb

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Led-Hed:

assuming the user that is running the mythfrontend is "mythtv"

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Led-Hed:

dilano: did you paste the 2 files?

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rsdvd:

Led-Hed : lircrc can be either place....../etc/lircrc or ~/.mythtv/lircrc

[19:42:46]

dilano:

still nothing

[19:42:50]

Led-Hed:

humm

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Led-Hed:

pastebin your .conf and lircrc

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dilano:

should the lircrc be a folder with the file located inside?

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Led-Hed:

no

[19:43:12]

dilano:

thought so

[19:43:15]

dilano:

just checking

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Led-Hed:

np

[19:43:32]

dilano:

gimmie one sec

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dilano:

PBing right now

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Led-Hed:

so irrecord accepted the signal from the remote and allowed you to name the buttons.

[19:44:06]

Led-Hed:

and the lircd daemon is running so it accepted the lircd.conf file

[19:44:38]

Led-Hed:

that said, running: irw should display the button name when a button is pushed

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dilano:

yeah.. went through the 5–7 min of button mashing until it told me to name a button

[19:45:04]

dilano:

press 1 sec, release

[19:45:13]

dilano:

... scrolled

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Led-Hed:

ok, then its working and accepting the ir signals.

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Led-Hed:

you using the lirc from atrpms?

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Led-Hed:

dilano: modprobe |grep lirc

[19:48:08]

dilano:

yes

[19:49:07]

Led-Hed:

dilano: ls -la /dev/lirc

[19:50:24]

Led-Hed:

dilano: what is the url to where you pasted the conf?

[19:50:31]

dilano:

linked to -> lirc0

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dilano:

one sec

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Led-Hed:

thats good

[19:51:13]

dilano:

http://www.pastebin.ca/312298

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dilano:

now using that... what can be a VERY simple lircrc that I can use just to test it?

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kgbudz:

i just compiled myth, im running a remote frontend and it cant connect to the remote db

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Led-Hed:

wow my .conf looks very different

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kgbudz:

but i test mysql from the command line, and it can remote connect

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kgbudz:

mysql.txt is correct

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dilano:

hmmmmmm

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Led-Hed:

kgbudz: dunno. If the frontend can connect to mysql on backend from command line then it should work. Assuming mysql.txt is correct

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kgbudz:

hmm...

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jmblack:

uhm, my first guess would be that your looking at the wrong mysql.txt?

[19:56:45]

kgbudz:

the data is loaded correctly in mythfrontend

[19:56:49]

kgbudz:

when it asks for my db location

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kgbudz:

like this is a fresh linux install

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kgbudz:

i compiled mythtv, and i ran the frontend

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kgbudz:

im already running 1 master and 1 remote frontend

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kgbudz:

without probs...

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kgbudz:

but those are from package

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Xanium4332:

ok, back

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Xanium4332:

hows the LIRC problem going

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kgbudz:

do i need to have mysqld running locally?

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Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: dilano has the lircd.conf and lircrc button names matching. lircd deamon in running. irw reports nothing when a button is pushed

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Led-Hed:

kgbudz: no

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Xanium4332:

hmm

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kgbudz:

maybe i compiled it wrong

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Xanium4332:

irw doesn't need an lircrc file to work though

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Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: are you running XvMc

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Xanium4332:

no

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kgbudz:

Xanium4332, that happens on interlaced devices

[20:02:03]

Xanium4332:

I can't get that to work at all

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Xanium4332:

w/ my onboard nvidia 6150

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Xanium4332:

it just fails

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Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: I know, just saying that we already confirmed that the 2 match

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Xanium4332:

oh

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Xanium4332:

k

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Xanium4332:

dilano: have you compiled lirc from sourcer

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Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: what is your frontend hardware?

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Xanium4332:

or did u get it through a package manager

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Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: Atrpms package

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Xanium4332:

I've got an MSI K8NGM2-FID motherboard

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Xanium4332:

using it's onboard nvidia 6150 gfx card

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Xanium4332:

DVI out

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Xanium4332:

to DVI in on my TV

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Xanium4332:

operating at 1280x720@50Hz

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Led-Hed:

k

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Xanium4332:

My processor is an amd 1700+

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Xanium4332:

sry

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Xanium4332:

3700+

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Xanium4332:

1700+ would be a bit underpowered :P

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Led-Hed:

only for HDTV

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Xanium4332:

lol

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Xanium4332:

I know

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Xanium4332:

still

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Led-Hed:

I underclock all mine to 10x multiplier and 100fsb

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Xanium4332:

Also, the image is slightly blurred, but I think thats because of an SDTV resolution being upscaled to HD resolutions

[20:04:55]

Xanium4332:

why do u underclock?

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kgbudz:

Xanium4332, you doing dvi to hdtv?

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Xanium4332:

yep

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Xanium4332:

with working modeline

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Led-Hed:

I like quiet frontends. =)

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kgbudz:

what resolution is your desktop?

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Xanium4332:

for 720p @ 50.00Hz

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Xanium4332:

1280x720

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kgbudz:

your getting flicker?

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Xanium4332:

well not on the whole image

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Xanium4332:

just on some horizonal bars

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Led-Hed:

kgbudz: the content is interlaced

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Xanium4332:

like if they have block color

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kgbudz:

sweet, i fixed my problem

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kgbudz:

i was missing qt-mysql package

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Xanium4332:

no, better example: A news ticker

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Led-Hed:

kgbudz: what was it

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Xanium4332:

lol

[20:06:27]

Xanium4332:

the ticker

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Led-Hed:

ahh that'll do it

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Xanium4332:

the bottom flickers

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Xanium4332:

when agaisnt the rest of the image

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kgbudz:

i was compiling mythtv on my ps3

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kgbudz:

had to do everything manually

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Xanium4332:

it's like every other frame the last line of the ticker is dropped

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Xanium4332:

so that it moves up and down a little

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Xanium4332:

obviously the OSD flickers loads, but I don't think you can get round that

[20:08:13]

Xanium4332:

you have any ideas?

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Xanium4332:

don't know why XvMC doesnt work either

[20:08:30]

Xanium4332:

(I'm running Gentoo)

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melunko:

Hello there, mythtv upnp server is exporting avi files as video/avi mimetype, however in /etc/mimetypes the avi mimetype is video/x-msvideo. Does anybody know what is the right one?

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Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: Deinterlace Playback: Kernel, Preferred MPEG2 Decoder: libmpeg2, Enable OpenGL Vertical Sync, Enable Realtime Priority Threads

[20:10:53]

Led-Hed:

see what that looks like

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Xanium4332:

I've tried almost the setup u describe, only the framerate isn't very good

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Xanium4332:

for exmaple, the news ticker will be jerky

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Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: then you need XvMc

[20:11:53]

Xanium4332:

not that kind of jerky

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Xanium4332:

there just doesn't seem to be enough frames in the stream

[20:12:16]

Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: what capture card?

[20:12:52]

Xanium4332:

http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/Products/DualDigital.aspx

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Xanium4332:

a DViCO FusionHDTV Dual DVB-T

[20:13:07]

Xanium4332:

receiver

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Led-Hed:

sweet

[20:13:20]

Xanium4332:

the only way to get really smooth video is with BOB

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Led-Hed:

so you're capturing in 1080i ?

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Xanium4332:

nah

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Led-Hed:

what are you capturing then?

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Xanium4332:

I'm picking up SDTV

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys :)

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Xanium4332:

It's a Dual DVB-T receiver, I'm getting freeview

[20:14:09]

Xanium4332:

it's not really 'capturing' at all

[20:14:16]

Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: I assume that its PAL (50hz)

[20:14:17]

Mattwj2005:

anyone excited about new Stargate episodes?

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Xanium4332:

yep

[20:14:26]

Xanium4332:

I'm in the UK

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Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: stargate? Wasnt that a movie?

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Mattwj2005:

you guys are a little early too ah?

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Xanium4332:

and my TV's @ 50Hz as well

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stuarta:

they must be on $ky....

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Xanium4332:

I didn't say anything about stargate

[20:14:48]

Mattwj2005:

yeah movie and two tv series

[20:14:55]

Xanium4332:

lol

[20:14:56]

dilano:

hey all.. could my problems stem from a bad IR reciever?

[20:15:02]

Mattwj2005:

I heard a rumor two new movies as well

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Xanium4332:

infact, xvidtune reports my refresh to be 50.00

[20:15:14]

Led-Hed:

Didnt know there was a TV serias

[20:15:16]

Led-Hed:

series

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Xanium4332:

dilano: u using a serial receiver?

[20:15:28]

Mattwj2005:

yeah Stargate Atlantis and Stargate SG-1

[20:15:31]

dilano:

yes, home built

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Xanium4332:

dilano: and do u get output from irrecord

[20:15:42]

dilano:

worked with my OLD OLD Prog DVB setup

[20:15:43]

Xanium4332:

does irrecord work?

[20:15:48]

Xanium4332:

hmm

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Mattwj2005:

Stargate SG-1 was the first series and Stargate Atlantis is the spin off

[20:15:52]

dilano:

check the above pastebin

[20:15:59]

Xanium4332:

kk

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Mattwj2005:

by this spring 10 seasons of Sg-1 and 3 seasons of atlantis

[20:16:11]

dilano:

although Led-Hed says it looks totally different form his .conf file

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Xanium4332:

is that what irrecord generated?

[20:16:32]

dilano:

yes

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Xanium4332:

then it looks like it's working

[20:16:50]

Mattwj2005:

it is better than Star Trek in my opinion ;)

[20:16:56]

dilano:

thought so

[20:16:56]

Mattwj2005:

Trek is good too though

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Led-Hed:

dilano: heres the beginning of mine. http://pastebin.ledhed.net/10

[20:17:22]

Xanium4332:

aaaah

[20:17:26]

Xanium4332:

that doesn't look so good

[20:17:41]

dilano:

hmm, using raw mode

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Led-Hed:

what doesnt

[20:17:46]

dilano:

haven't tried that yet

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Xanium4332:

oh, u didn't make that config file right>

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Xanium4332:

?

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Led-Hed:

who didnt ledhed or dilano

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Xanium4332:

dilano

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dilano:

which pastebin??

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Xanium4332:

http://pastebin.ledhed.net/10

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dilano:

not mine

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Led-Hed:

thats mine

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Led-Hed:

and it works like a champ

[20:18:54]

dilano:

hmmmm

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Xanium4332:

oh

[20:19:06]

dilano:

think I should try RAW mode using the -r flag?

[20:19:17]

Xanium4332:

just RAW codes suggest something dodgy to me

[20:19:19]

Xanium4332:

erm

[20:19:21]

Xanium4332:

perhaps

[20:19:43]

dilano:

I say if it works.... IT WORKS

[20:19:44]

Xanium4332:

could just be the remote tho

[20:19:45]

Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: its a Homebrew IR Reciever

[20:19:54]

Xanium4332:

yeh yeh ok

[20:19:56]

dilano:

tried 4 different remotes...

[20:20:07]

dilano:

Cable remote

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Xanium4332:

cause I'm using a homebrew serial receiver as well

[20:20:10]

dilano:

tv remote

[20:20:14]

Led-Hed:

dilano: its not the remote. if irrecord is working

[20:20:15]

dilano:

all in one remote

[20:20:32]

dilano:

and now my Harmony programed to a series 2 TIVO

[20:21:23]

dilano:

where di you all buy your parts for the HB reciever?

[20:21:33]

Xanium4332:

as I'm in the UK

[20:21:43]

Xanium4332:

I got them from RS (www.rswww.com)

[20:21:51]

dilano:

I may try to rebuild it over agian

[20:21:52]

Xanium4332:

but my compony electronics related

[20:21:53]

Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: I build my own

[20:21:56]

Xanium4332:

so I have easy access

[20:22:15]

dilano:

yeah, I built mine over 3 years ago :)

[20:22:28]

dilano:

worked like a charm in winLIRC

[20:22:29]

Xanium4332:

I made two

[20:22:34]

Xanium4332:

built one into my case

[20:22:42]

Xanium4332:

and the other is in a little external box

[20:22:49]

Led-Hed:

dilano: radioshack. Parts list here. http://wiki.ledhed.net/index.php/LIRC_Parts_List

[20:23:42]

dilano:

yulp, matches mine

[20:24:02]

Xanium4332:

nice...

[20:24:51]

Xanium4332:

actually, my DViCO came with a remote IR sensor as well

[20:24:51]

Xanium4332:

never thought of that

[20:24:51]

Xanium4332:

any who...

[20:24:51]

TimothyP:

Hello, I'm trying to install Mythtv 0.20 on Ubuntu 6.10 (with kernel 2.6.18 installed) Compiling works fine without errors, yet make install does not seem to do much, what might I be missing ?

[20:24:52]

Led-Hed:

its nicer than an external box.

[20:24:52]

Xanium4332:

yeh

[20:24:52]

Xanium4332:

but I have a Silverstone LC11M case

[20:24:52]

Led-Hed:

just have to figure out the pinout of the plug

[20:24:56]

Xanium4332:

which has a VFD

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gardengnome:

TimothyP: did you type "sudo make install"?

[20:25:07]

Xanium4332:

so I just built mine inside the case next to original receiver

[20:25:08]

dilano:

I got a LC14

[20:25:08]

TimothyP:

yep

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Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: I have 2 Silverstones

[20:25:36]

dilano:

good idea to place it in the case

[20:25:37]

Xanium4332:

ur case has a good remote

[20:25:51]

Xanium4332:

mine came with a crappy one with a dodgy mouse joystick

[20:25:53]

TimothyP:

posting the last lines of make install to pastebin now, should be there in a minute

[20:25:54]

dilano:

<-- didn't buy the 14M, just the plain 14 :(

[20:25:59]

Xanium4332:

oh

[20:26:00]

Xanium4332:

k

[20:26:18]

Xanium4332:

wish I went with an ATX case now tho

[20:26:24]

Xanium4332:

and an ATX board

[20:26:29]

dilano:

wife almost chopped off my head when she found out how much the stripped down case cost :)

[20:26:41]

Xanium4332:

lol

[20:27:14]

dilano:

I could have never bught the Media edition :)

[20:27:18]

dilano:

*bought

[20:27:36]

Xanium4332:

I used birthday money

[20:27:47]

Led-Hed:

I have a Silver LC01 w/ IR window, and a LC03v

[20:27:57]

Xanium4332:

now I want this case

[20:27:57]

Xanium4332:

http://www.origenae.com/en/product_x11.htm

[20:28:04]

dilano:

whats mine is hers, and whats hers is..... hers :(

[20:28:14]

Xanium4332:

lol

[20:28:24]

Xanium4332:

I'm only 16 so, I dont have a real hers

[20:28:28]

TimothyP:

I bought a case from AOpen, supposed to be really good for multimedia to put under tv, flat model like dvd player, makes more noise than anything :(

[20:28:49]

Xanium4332:

yeah my LC11M is actually quite quiet

[20:28:51]

Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: keep it that way

[20:29:00]

Xanium4332:

so I'm told...

[20:29:03]

dilano:

I searched through like 50 reviews before I chose the LC14

[20:29:17]

TimothyP:

http://www.blicbox.be/files/images/EPC945-m8- . . . 0293-B_0.jpg

[20:29:27]

Xanium4332:

I looked thru loads as well, checking that all my hardware wud work fine

[20:29:30]

Xanium4332:

but it doesn't

[20:29:37]

Xanium4332:

my mobo as buggy as hell

[20:29:45]

dilano:

heat and noise was a HUGE issue for me

[20:29:58]

Xanium4332:

hmm

[20:30:01]

Led-Hed:

check this one out. http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/c . . . ducts_id/565

[20:30:02]

Xanium4332:

I havent had much problem

[20:30:07]

Xanium4332:

my case has 2 80mm fans

[20:30:16]

Xanium4332:

and I bought an aftermarket PCU cooler

[20:30:35]

dilano:

wish I had taken pictures of my build

[20:30:38]

TimothyP:

http://pastebin.com/856185 --> this is the output of the make install command, can someone have a look ?

[20:30:42]

Xanium4332:

http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/c . . . ducts_id/565 – bet we could work out the mobo in that

[20:30:46]

Led-Hed:

Mine cases are fanless, and the CPU fan is 7v modded

[20:31:06]

dilano:

how many cards you got in it?

[20:31:31]

Led-Hed:

in mine?

[20:31:36]

Xanium4332:

me? to PCI, my dual dvb-t card and a second network card (my box is also a router)

[20:31:45]

dilano:

I got a Skystar2 DVB-S, pcHDTV3000, SB-Live, PVR500MCE, and a GeForce6200

[20:31:50]

Led-Hed:

by backend has 3 PVR-250's and 1 PVR-350

[20:32:00]

dilano:

nice

[20:32:05]

Xanium4332:

ledhed, how much TV do u watch?

[20:32:19]

Led-Hed:

my frontends only have videocards, all else is onboard

[20:32:33]

Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: I have 6 frontends I think

[20:32:37]

Xanium4332:

http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/c . . . ducts_id/565 – only negative thing is no gigabit lan

[20:32:39]

dilano:

wtf

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dilano:

6?!?!?!!

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Xanium4332:

OMG, 6 frontends

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Led-Hed:

ya

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moh:

Led-Hed: Are you in like a huge dorm?

[20:32:51]

TimothyP:

sweet :)

[20:32:53]

Xanium4332:

ok second question, how many people are in ur house

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TimothyP:

no he provides tv for all the neighbours :p

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Led-Hed:

no but I have a 6 bedroom house

[20:33:04]

Beirdo:

w00t!

[20:33:05]

Xanium4332:

(not to be personal)

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Beirdo:

my transmitter works fine

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Xanium4332:

and plently of cash...

[20:33:45]

Led-Hed:

plus Living room and Family room

[20:33:45]

Xanium4332:

wow

[20:33:45]

dilano:

front end in each room?

[20:33:45]

Xanium4332:

that's serious

[20:33:45]

Xanium4332:

what are ur electricity bills like?

[20:33:45]

moh:

Okay...Led-Hed needs to go outside more.

[20:33:45]

GreyFoxx:

Doesn't everyone do that ?

[20:33:45]

GreyFoxx:

:)

[20:33:45]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

[20:33:49]

TimothyP:

I would if I could get it to install :p

[20:34:13]

dilano:

have you seen sunlight this year yet??? :)

[20:34:19]

Xanium4332:

ledhed, how do u get such good tv playback, have u got any HD setups?

[20:34:19]

Led-Hed:

the Kids Frontend Dual Boot WinXP and Fedora (MythTV)

[20:34:27]

Xanium4332:

no, but he's recorded it...

[20:34:27]

TimothyP:

dilano, lol probably on tv :p

[20:34:29]

Beirdo:

juski, success :)

[20:34:33]

Led-Hed:

so they are desktop PC's and T's

[20:34:35]

dilano:

hahahahahahahahahahaa

[20:34:55]

Mattwj2005:

why do you need to see the sunshine if you have it stored on a hard drive? ;)

[20:35:00]

Xanium4332:

in fact, he can record the sun 4x at once

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Led-Hed:

dilano: every day when I ride my Ninja 636 to work!! =)

[20:35:16]

madd_matt:

I want to have my backend not need to be up when its unneeded. I'm going to be powering it off. I have an openwrt router, is there some way i can get mythbackend to tell openwrt to wake it when it needs to do a recording?

[20:35:21]

Xanium4332:

heh, my parents think the same

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Xanium4332:

madd_matt: u dont even need ur router

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madd_matt:

Xanium4332, how can i get the computer to boot then?

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Xanium4332:

u should be able to schedule ur box to boot at a set time by using nvram

[20:35:56]

Mattwj2005:

I have a few computers in my apartment....then again I live alone

[20:36:06]

Mattwj2005:

no wife or family here

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Xanium4332:

it writes some data to ur motherboard

[20:36:15]

Xanium4332:

to tell it to boot at a certain time

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Led-Hed:

I'm going to be ditching 2 of the PVR-250's and get 2 HD Capture cards and adding a PVR-500

[20:36:35]

Xanium4332:

ledhed: how do u have ur frontends setup, like what deinterlacing method

[20:36:40]

dilano:

I <heart> my pcHDTV3000

[20:36:44]

Xanium4332:

and what resolutions (also prog. or interlaced)

[20:36:48]

Xanium4332:

brb

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Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: I dont run HD yey

[20:36:55]

gardengnome:

madd_matt: you might be able to hack so0me small scripts involving netcat and wol on the router. i once saw an example of that, but i don't remember where.

[20:36:56]

Led-Hed:

yet

[20:37:43]

dilano:

I don't even have a HDTV, but the picture I get is better than anything I have so far (Digital Cable box and Dishnet box)

[20:37:47]

madd_matt:

gardengnome, Xanium4332, i can sort out a script that will wake the computer. The thing i want to know how to do is how to get mythTV to run it, and how to signal when the next upcoming recording is.

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Led-Hed:

but I've had a 50" Plasma for almost 6 months so its time to go HD

[20:38:16]

Led-Hed:

though I might just do Firewire capture if I can

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Led-Hed:

madd_matt: cant you tell Myth to send Wakeup events to the backend?

[20:39:23]

madd_matt:

My friend has a Starchoice set top box that outputs component and DVI video. Is there any sort of capture card that can grab it? All the pcHDTV cards etc seem to be for OTA hd TV

[20:39:24]

gardengnome:

madd_matt: the backend has got some mechanism for that. check http://wiki.mythtv.org/ – some keywords: nvram-wakeup, mythwelcome, etc. there are some different methods.

[20:39:50]

Led-Hed:

madd_matt: do the set top boxes have Firewire out?

[20:40:23]

madd_matt:

Led-Hed, No, unfortunately.

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dilano:

Led-Hed.... using the wilsonet setup instructions, how would one enter the LIRC setup menu?

[20:40:34]

Led-Hed:

then I think you're outta luck

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Led-Hed:

dilano: what setup menu? you mean when compiling your own?

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Xanium4332:

so u don't do deinterlacing?

[20:41:13]

Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: I do

[20:41:20]

Xanium4332:

which method

[20:41:20]

dilano:

fedora Core 6 using Jarod's guide on www.wilsonet.com

[20:41:38]

dilano:

the LIRC setup menu

[20:41:39]

Led-Hed:

cuz I only capture SDTV right now. I use Kernel (less motion blure)

[20:41:54]

Xanium4332:

does that give u TV as good as normal TV?

[20:42:01]

Xanium4332:

I mean

[20:42:01]

dilano:

cause I faintly remember having to adjust somehthing in WinLIRC using their setup menu

[20:42:07]

Xanium4332:

no notivible difference

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jmblack:

which 99% of the time means firewire out

[20:42:39]

dilano:

to get my IR reciever to recognize CORRECT codes

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Xanium4332:

oh yeah, anyone recommend an IRC client for winblows

[20:43:52]

tha_toadman:

turboirc 6 (freeware)

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** Beirdo does a little dance **

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Xanium4332:

oh yeah, it has to be open source :P

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** stuarta does the bumble bee wiggle **

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Led-Hed:

http://uniquepeek.com/viewpage.php?page_id=448

[20:45:28]

Xanium4332:

any other clients?

[20:46:22]

Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: the only way to get TV that is as good as real TV (In my experience) is to use XvMc

[20:46:39]

Xanium4332:

howcome

[20:46:44]

Xanium4332:

i mean

[20:46:47]

Xanium4332:

whats the difference

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Xanium4332:

if ur processors powerful enogh..

[20:47:37]

Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: XvMc just does a better job

[20:47:46]

Led-Hed:

again in my experience

[20:47:49]

Xanium4332:

hmm

[20:48:05]

Led-Hed:

with nVidia Cards anyway

[20:48:14]

Xanium4332:

hmm

[20:48:28]

Xanium4332:

so u can get decent playback with kernel deinterlace and XvMC

[20:48:34]

Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: is your Vid Card onboard?

[20:48:41]

Beirdo:

stuarta, my IR transmitter seems to work

[20:48:41]

GreyFoxx:

Wow, led you really find it's output better?

[20:48:45]

Xanium4332:

yeh

[20:48:45]

GreyFoxx:

I've always found it worse

[20:48:55]

Xanium4332:

it's onbaord

[20:49:03]

Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx: its the only thing that rivals my ReplayTV's

[20:49:09]

Beirdo:

and I'm testing with my laptop's serial port :)

[20:49:21]

GreyFoxx:

but after tweaking some nvidia-settings now my regular playback looks flawless

[20:49:27]

Xanium4332:

GreyFoxx: wot rivals replaytv

[20:49:31]

dilano:

ok, I went and checked WinLIRC... yes I did have to adjust a few things in the config menu

[20:49:34]

Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx: what settings?

[20:49:56]

GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: The flicker filter made the most difference, I turned it down to 1 instead of the default 127

[20:50:02]

GreyFoxx:

and it made a big different

[20:50:05]

GreyFoxx:

difference

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Xanium4332:

I don't have a lficker filter

[20:50:12]

Xanium4332:

I dont think

[20:50:17]

Xanium4332:

cause I'm using DVI

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Xanium4332:

ouch, just got called, I'll be back in around 20min

[20:50:33]

Xanium4332:

bi

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Led-Hed:

Xanium4332: For years I couldnt get my Myth to look as good as my ReplayTV's so I only used it as a DVD Jukebox/ Mame Frontend. After getting XvMc working I've ditched my Replays

[20:50:43]

GreyFoxx:

I record at@720x480, have an X modeline using 720x480, and turned down the flicker filter

[20:50:51]

GreyFoxx:

made a noticable difference when I did it

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Xanium4332:

aaah

[20:51:00]

Xanium4332:

cause I'm using a HiDef output, 1280x720

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: What cards are they ?

[20:51:07]

Xanium4332:

cya

[20:51:07]

Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx: Ya I found the same thing. Flicker filter of 1 is best

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Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx: ti4200's and 440mx

[20:51:49]

GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: I had never touched that particular setting before until Xris was talking about it in here. Wish I had done it sooner. IT's funnt since I was happy before, but even more so after that

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GreyFoxx:

I also turn my overscan up to 100%

[20:52:30]

nero:

Led-Hed, so the 440mx can do XvMC?? I'll have to give that a whirl

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Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx: ya the Flicker filter made a big figgerence. But I'm told that it actually results in lower resolution

[20:52:58]

gardengnome:

nero: yep, but the geforce 4 ti can't do XvMc properly. it's missing something ;)

[20:52:58]

Led-Hed:

nero: does for me.

[20:53:23]

Led-Hed:

gardengnome: really. Seems to work on mine

[20:53:24]

nero:

cool.. I thought I was told that the 440mx couldn't do it.. or is that some other video output it cant do??

[20:53:38]

GreyFoxx:

the 440 can definately do xvmx

[20:53:40]

GreyFoxx:

xvmc

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Led-Hed:

TI4200 seems to do it also

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nero:

what is the special output that was so good for HD?

[20:54:21]

** nero 's brain is dead tonight **

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Led-Hed:

nero: I dont know, but I'm all ears

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Beirdo:

that must look funny, being all ears

[20:55:38]

nero:

heya Beirdo! :)

[20:56:03]

nero:

its goin well.. been busy as can be though!

[20:56:24]

Beirdo:

heh

[20:56:29]

Beirdo:

that's not all bad

[20:56:37]

nero:

nope.. not at all.. better than being bored!

[20:56:39]

Beirdo:

I'm still waiting for the work permit...

[20:56:48]

nero:

doh!

[20:56:57]

Beirdo:

but am enjoying the lovely weather

[20:56:59]

nero:

They dont want you canucks taking away our US work huh?? ;)

[20:57:03]

Beirdo:

the hell with snow

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Led-Hed:

Beirdo: you still living off the Wife.. You Dawg

[20:57:22]

Beirdo:

not much choice in the matter

[20:57:27]

Led-Hed:

True

[20:57:34]

GreyFoxx:

nero: You give enough of it away to India, might as well give some to Canadians :)

[20:57:35]

Led-Hed:

Must be nice

[20:57:39]

Beirdo:

just as soon as DHS gets the lead out...

[20:57:50]

GreyFoxx:

At least some of us spend it back in vacations down there :)

[20:57:56]

Led-Hed:

DHS?

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Beirdo:

I often get bored... been unemployed since May 1

[20:58:11]

GreyFoxx:

homeland security :)

[20:58:13]

Beirdo:

Dept of Homeland "Security"

[20:58:18]

Beirdo:

they took over INS

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Led-Hed:

ahh

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Beirdo:

it should be a month or two more

[20:58:54]

Beirdo:

I was told that the next step was waiting for the card to arrive

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Beirdo:

so...

[20:59:04]

Beirdo:

then I go apply for an SSN

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Beirdo:

and get my ass to work somewhere

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Beirdo:

then wait for the rest of the paperwork to get finished to get the green card

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davey_:

Anyone know why nuvexport --transcode is giving me syntax error at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/export/transcode/SVCD.pm line 176 ?

[21:00:04]

jams:

hey nero

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Led-Hed:

Beirdo: thought you were in Puerto Rico

[21:00:24]

Beirdo:

I am

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Beirdo:

PR is part of the US politically, silly

[21:00:45]

Led-Hed:

you have to get a US green card to work in PR

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jams:

it's the 51st state

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Beirdo:

no, you need to get a work permit

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Led-Hed:

I knew it was a US territory but didnt realize that you had to jump through all the US hoops

[21:01:15]

Beirdo:

:)

[21:01:27]

Beirdo:

yeah, it's the same as if I moved to California

[21:01:42]

Led-Hed:

only better

[21:01:52]

Beirdo:

it's not a state yet, but some fools here want it to be

[21:01:58]

Led-Hed:

Hell no

[21:02:18]

Beirdo:

lose all distinctive culture if that happens

[21:02:21]

S2- is now known as S2

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Led-Hed:

yup

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Beirdo:

although Texas managed to keep SOME when they got assimilated

[21:02:40]

nero:

hey jams.. how goes it! :)

[21:02:54]

Led-Hed:

Beirdo: same with Hawaii

[21:02:59]

Beirdo:

yup

[21:03:01]

nero:

(sorry- setting up a bug tracking system for a client.. ergh.. )

[21:03:06]

Beirdo:

but still, I like it the way it is now

[21:03:16]

xris:

davey_: what version of nuvexport?

[21:03:21]

Led-Hed:

I guess if you arent directly connected to the Continental US your chances are better

[21:03:28]

davey_:

xris just downloaded it let me check

[21:03:32]

Beirdo:

not independent, but not a state either. Being a colony has its advantages :

[21:03:36]

Beirdo:

:)

[21:03:48]

Led-Hed:

Beirdo: sounds like paradise

[21:03:51]

Beirdo:

sorry "affiliated territory" or whatever they say...

[21:03:53]

xris:

davey_: that'd be because there's actually a syntax error. hang on, I'll fix it.

[21:04:00]

davey_:

xris: nuvexport-0.4–0.20070105.svn

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Led-Hed:

Beirdo: you have to pay Taxes?

[21:04:14]

Beirdo:

and it has been under 80F once since May

[21:04:19]

Beirdo:

and that was only 78F

[21:04:24]

Beirdo:

yes, but not to the IRS

[21:04:32]

kormoc:

Mmm... Warmth

[21:04:39]

xris:

davey_: download again, or just kill the ; at the end of line 176

[21:04:42]

Beirdo:

the taxes here stay here

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Led-Hed:

thats cool

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davey_:

cool, thanks

[21:04:59]

Beirdo:

I like the concept

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kormoc:

is there any federal money going to it?

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Beirdo:

probably a bit, but I doubt it's much

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Beirdo:

I mean there are a couple military bases, FBI offices, etc

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cureless:

the problem with PR is that they don't have real representation

[21:06:04]

Led-Hed:

kgbudz: WB

[21:06:11]

kgbudz:

thanks, new problem :)

[21:06:12]

Beirdo:

so some federal money comes here for that

[21:06:27]

Led-Hed:

kgbudz: whats that?

[21:06:34]

Beirdo:

cureless, yeah, they have no say in their future. The US can override every decision made here

[21:06:51]

kgbudz:

i downloaded .20-fixes, compiled it, but its protocol 31, my backend, which is .20, is protocol 30

[21:06:52]

cureless:

well, some decisions are not made there

[21:06:58]

Beirdo:

and that ;)

[21:07:04]

kgbudz:

but svn doesnt have .20 (non fixes)

[21:07:16]

Led-Hed:

kgbudz: should still work just will display that error

[21:07:18]

Beirdo:

but any autonomy they have is definitely limited

[21:07:30]

kgbudz:

nothing is working

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cureless:

correct

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Led-Hed:

humm. My .20a backend works with my .19 frontends

[21:08:12]

kgbudz:

right, im running a plain .20 backend

[21:08:17]

kgbudz:

and a .20fixes frontend...

[21:08:23]

Led-Hed:

ahh

[21:08:31]

Led-Hed:

then upgrade the backend

[21:08:33]

kgbudz:

like where do i get the source for plain .20

[21:08:45]

GreyFoxx:

kgd: off the mythtv.org main site

[21:08:50]

Led-Hed:

kgbudz: what distro

[21:08:57]

kgbudz:

ps3

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kgbudz:

ydl

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GreyFoxx:

kgbudz: go to mythtv.org

[21:09:14]

GreyFoxx:

click downloads

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kgbudz:

ok

[21:09:23]

Led-Hed:

Yellow Dog. Didnt think it was still arounf

[21:09:47]

kgbudz:

yup, its the 'official' ps3 linux

[21:10:06]

Led-Hed:

cool

[21:10:21]

davey_:

xris: I added the semicolon and am still getting the same error

[21:10:39]

kgbudz:

GreyFoxx, thanks, im seeing the stuff i need now

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tha_toadman:

have any of you compiled mythtv on the ps3? i'm running ydl on mine but haven't succeeded just yet

[21:11:22]

xris:

davey_: delete, not add

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davey_:

xris: there wasn't one there

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davey_:

.' -o '.shell_escape($self->get_outfile($episode, $split_file ? '.%d.mpg' : '.mpg'));

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davey_:

.' '.shell_escape($self->get_outfile($episode, ".$$.m1v"))

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davey_:

.' '.shell_escape($self->get_outfile($episode, ".$$.mpa"));

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xris:

the line that starts: .' -o '.shell_escape($self->g

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xris:

that's 176, and it has a ; on the end

[21:13:18]

davey_:

ah, k thanks

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Led-Hed:

davey_: pastebin.com is your friend

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Beirdo:

pastebin.ca even more so

[21:13:43]

Beirdo:

:)

[21:13:54]

Led-Hed:

better yet. pastebin.ledhed.net

[21:13:58]

davey_:

cool, i'll check it out

[21:14:19]

xris:

Led-Hed: you started your own pastebin?

[21:14:23]

Led-Hed:

ya

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Beirdo:

heh

[21:14:37]

Led-Hed:

just to screw around

[21:14:42]

Led-Hed:

have my own wiki too

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Led-Hed:

I put all the important tips I learn but am sure to forget in my wiki so that I can get to them from anywhere.

[21:15:50]

Led-Hed:

its rather ugly, but works great

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[21:16:01]

Beirdo:

like putting on your pants one leg at a time? :)

[21:21:41]

Zider:

being windows free is nice

[21:21:54]

Beirdo:

windows is for playing games, the rest... Linux :)

[21:21:55]

Led-Hed:

I'm bound by AutoCAD.

[21:22:07]

Zider:

Beirdo: games works pretty well in wine, so.. :)

[21:22:08]

Beirdo:

yeah, that would do it too

[21:22:12]

xris:

Beirdo: and Photoshop/Painter (for the wife)

[21:22:17]

Zider:

Beirdo: and a bunch is ported

[21:22:18]

Beirdo:

not all games do

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Beirdo:

xris, yeah, although gimp might suffice at some point :)

[21:22:43]

xris:

Beirdo: not for painter, it won't

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Beirdo:

ah, K

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xris:

although she's been doing more and more stuff with REAL paint these days.

[21:23:15]

xris:

and gimp is still about 10 years behind photoshop in usability.

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

yeah, gimp is well... a gimp

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Beirdo:

heh

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Xanium4332:

ok, back...

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys.....I have an unusual question

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Xanium4332:

go on...

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Mattwj2005:

is there any plans to add Slingbox support for MythTV?

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Xanium4332:

well

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Xanium4332:

it's already possible to stream tv directly from myth over the net

[21:42:16]

Xanium4332:

it's a bit of a hack, but look up MythStreamTV

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stuarta:

the question is, what does the slingbox require?

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Xanium4332:

well I don't know how the slingbox works exactly

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Xanium4332:

but I guess it takes rf or composite/scart input

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Xanium4332:

and streams it to whereever you are

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Xanium4332:

If I didn't know about myth, it would sound good

[21:43:42]

Xanium4332:

but because I've been 'exposed' to the wonders of myth

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Xanium4332:

it seems basic

[21:43:58]

Mattwj2005:

I was just thinking it would a good way to add tuners :)

[21:44:02]

Xanium4332:

personaly

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Xanium4332:

I'd just recommend setting up mythstreamtv

[21:44:15]

Mattwj2005:

don't have to worry about heat from the tunner cards

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Xanium4332:

here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slingbox

[21:45:51]

Mattwj2005:

the reason I ask is because I know that Silicondust HDHomeRun is supported....it is a similar product

[21:46:24]

mick-w:

hi all

[21:48:00]

mick-w:

ive got a problem, ive just installed mythtv on ubuntu egy, everything is the newst versions from ubuntu's official repo's

[21:48:23]

mick-w:

im getting an error when i try and watch livetv, the error is "GetEntryAt(-1) failed. "

[21:48:36]

mick-w:

then i get "EntryToProgram(0[at]Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo "

[21:48:50]

mick-w:

ad finally "TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started"

[21:48:54]

mick-w:

anyone have any ideas?

[21:49:29]

roshman1182:

how many inputs can one record at the same time, and what kind of specs does one need for that many inputs?

[21:49:42]

roshman1182:

for instance, is it possible to record three cable shows at the same time if I had three cable inputs?

[21:49:55]

roshman1182:

... three cable inputs running into my myth box?

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hads:

Yes

[21:50:22]

mick-w:

brb

[21:50:26]

GreyFoxx:

roshman1182: yes

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roshman1182:

what kind of hardware would I need to record three shows at the same time?

[21:50:42]

roshman1182:

(hard drive speed, processor, etc.)?

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GreyFoxx:

your best bet is some PVR500/PVR150 's

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hads:

Use 3 PVR150 cards

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GreyFoxx:

they use 0% cpu to record, all compression is done on thecard

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roshman1182:

what about hard drive latency?

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GreyFoxx:

not an issue, you aren't writing out the raw unencoded data

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GreyFoxx:

an average stream is 2–4mbit, and any drive can handle that

[21:52:26]

roshman1182:

can mythtv detect the presence of another mythtv hooked up to the same network

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roshman1182:

(in other words, daisy chaining myth boxes)?

[21:52:38]

GreyFoxx:

roshman1182: No, you tell it that it exists

[21:52:42]

GreyFoxx:

and yes, master/slaves

[21:52:51]

GreyFoxx:

I ahave 2 slave backends and 1 master

[21:53:03]

GreyFoxx:

4 frontends and 2 on/off frontends

[21:53:06]

roshman1182:

why did you decide to use slave backends?

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mick-w:

back

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GreyFoxx:

roshman1182: Not enough PCI slots in asingle machine :)

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Xanium4332:

yeah how does myth distribute tasks like commercial flagging when u have multiple backens

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roshman1182:

GreyFoxx: nice

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GreyFoxx:

plus I can spread the load of various other things I'm doing on the box

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Xanium4332:

and how does one backend access another backend's recordings to transcode them and wotever

[21:53:52]

GreyFoxx:

Xanium4332: nfsmounts

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mick-w:

anyone have any answers to the question i asked before? :)

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Xanium4332:

aaah

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Xanium4332:

ok

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mick-w:

about "GetEntryAt(-1) failed. "

[21:54:18]

roshman1182:

thanks all!

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hads:

Haven't seen that before mick-w

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Mattwj2005:

no idea mick=w:-P

[21:54:44]

mick-w:

doh!

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slowone:

Xanium4332: i use nfs mounts between my backends

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mick-w:

i think it may be the default input, how can i change that?

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Xanium4332:

aaah

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Xanium4332:

ok, thanks

[21:55:34]

Xanium4332:

doesn't each backend record to it's own hdd, otherwise whats the real benefit of having multi. backends

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mick-w:

some people have suggested its the starting channel having no guide data

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GreyFoxx:

Xanium4332: It's either or

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mick-w:

im just gonna check mysql for the data

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Xanium4332:

?!?

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GreyFoxx:

you can record load, or store on anetworked filesystem

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Xanium4332:

so if u record load

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Xanium4332:

how does another backend process recordings stored on a different hdd

[21:56:23]

GreyFoxx:

some spread the load due to lack of space in one machine, lack of drive space, lack of cpu, there are many reaoson

[21:56:37]

GreyFoxx:

Xanium4332: It wont

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Xanium4332:

ok

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slowone:

right my slave backend writes to a nfs file system..

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Xanium4332:

so whats ur reason for having multi. backens

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GreyFoxx:

Xanium4332: Did you just miss what I just said ?

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Xanium4332:

no

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GreyFoxx:

IT's different for everyone

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Xanium4332:

oooh

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Xanium4332:

nm

[21:57:32]

Xanium4332:

confusion of context

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GreyFoxx:

Lack of pci slots, lack of HD space, lack of cpu power, etc etc

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Xanium4332:

ok

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Xanium4332:

now I understand

[21:57:58]

GreyFoxx:

in my case, my master had no more room for drives so I did up a second backend/fileserver plug I ran out of pci slots :)

[21:58:05]

slowone:

for me, if i get unlazy i want to have the back/front end that sits under my tv use local disk for recording what ever i am free tuneing.. but thats it

[22:00:06]

Mattwj2005:

man I wish HDhomerun had analog support :(

[22:00:21]

mick-w:

you know the mythtv-setup program – where does it store its config?

[22:00:26]

mick-w:

the config it creates that is

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GreyFoxx:

databASE

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Xanium4332:

so what do people reckon is the best deinterlacing method, kernel or BOB

[22:00:36]

mick-w:

ah right

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mick-w:

ty

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Xanium4332:

and who uses XvMC

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GreyFoxx:

The only stuff not in the DB is the file that tells myth how to connect to the DB :)

[22:01:15]

slowone:

i use XuMC ? its nice..

[22:01:21]

mick-w:

does mythtv connect to its own database with the mythtv sql user?

[22:01:33]

mick-w:

cus the only thing i need is the mythtv accounts password

[22:01:47]

mick-w:

and i only ssh access right now so cant run the program :P

[22:02:01]

Mattwj2005:

isn't the default mythtv?

[22:02:12]

Xanium4332:

XuMC, do u mean XvMC

[22:02:13]

mick-w:

for the pasword?

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mick-w:

cus im pretty sure i saw a rather random password in the mythtv-setup program

[22:02:29]

slowone:

er ya xvmc

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Xanium4332:

did it just 'work' or did u have to tweak some settings to get it to work

[22:02:52]

Mattwj2005:

yeah.....I could be wrong :)

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topillo:

mick-w: look in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[22:02:58]

mick-w:

ill try

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mick-w:

cheers topillo :)

[22:03:17]

slowone:

pretty much jsut works ;p

[22:03:51]

mick-w:

yeh cheers that text file has it :)

[22:04:02]

Mattwj2005:

hasn't anyone ever told you that computers are 10 % luck and 90 % magic ;)

[22:05:35]

slowone:

tell you let the smoke out.....

[22:06:36]

mick-w:

hmmmm i may know what has caused my original error

[22:06:39]

mick-w:

i have 2 dvb cards

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Mattwj2005:

that is where the magic is stored ;)

[22:06:47]

mick-w:

i have only scanned for channels on one card

[22:07:02]

mick-w:

having now looked at the channels table, it would seem that may cause issues

[22:07:27]

mick-w:

as each channel has a sourceid – presumably the id of the card?

[22:08:51]

mick-w:

am i right? :)

[22:12:33]

stuarta:

no, it's the datasource id

[22:12:43]

stuarta:

so if the two cards see the same stuff

[22:12:52]

stuarta:

use the same datasource for both cards

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mick-w:

hmm ok thats what ive done

[22:13:29]

stuarta:

and myth will use the 2nd card as needed for scheduling

[22:13:37]

mick-w:

so seems as though ive done things right...

[22:13:56]

mick-w:

ill have a look, make sure i have program info

[22:15:36]

mick-w:

hmm so i actually dont appear to have any program info for bbc one which is my start channel

[22:15:46]

mick-w:

interesting, as i ran the daily cron job

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orrion:

i'm considering changing to seperate backend-only and frontend-only type of setup. which machine do you put the tuners in? (pardon the noob question)

[22:17:22]

mick-w:

in fact i appear to have no program data for quite a few channels

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stuarta:

mick-w: how are you getting your program data?

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jk1joel:

orrion: tuners go with backends

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orrion:

jkljoel: thanks

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mick-w:

stuarta: xmltv

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mick-w:

i used the uk xmltv grabber script to set it all (used the mythtv-setup program to do it)

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mick-w:

then i ran the daily cron job, it seems to have filled the program table with info, but not for all channels

[22:21:28]

mick-w:

looks quite sparse in fact

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stuarta:

you will have to a) verify all the channels are configured in the grabber, b) check the xmltv id's on the channels match what you are downloading

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normal1:

Hi All

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BULLE:

normal1: you are calling me All Bundy ?

[22:24:24]

normal1:

hehehe, that'd be Al :P

[22:24:31]

BULLE:

ah, damn, sorry =)

[22:24:37]

normal1:

I've got a Q about picture quality on myth

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mick-w:

ok so to check the channels are configured correctly in the grabber, i presume i check ~/.mythtv/videosource.xmltv – is that right?

[22:24:48]

BULLE:

it free to ask

[22:25:21]

normal1:

Obviously, file type and processing power has much to do wih quality, but I'm wondering – what else would influence picture quality?

[22:25:31]

normal1:

I'm looking at the screenshots on the website and they look grainy

[22:25:40]

normal1:

so I'm concerned that if I build myth, it'll have that type of quality

[22:25:48]

GreyFoxx:

normal1: bitrate, codec and resolution

[22:26:01]

GreyFoxx:

and of course incoming signal, and quality of the output to the TV

[22:26:09]

normal1:

ahh yes

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normal1:

ok

[22:26:29]

normal1:

tivo isnt cutting it for me anymore

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Xanium4332:

does anyone what's needed to get XvMC to work

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** GreyFoxx takes his kid to the pool **

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BULLE:

normal1: and, tuner quality

[22:26:36]

normal1:

so I'm giving it the boot

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Xanium4332:

I select Standard XvMC in mythfrontend

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BULLE:

normal1: that is a big thing, actualy

[22:26:46]

Xanium4332:

but it just doesn't seem to have any effect

[22:26:53]

normal1:

BULLE Do you have any recommendations for a tuner?

[22:27:03]

Xanium4332:

I don't get a grey OSD, and I'm almost certain it's not using XvMC

[22:27:20]

BULLE:

normal1: not realy, i have a stb that i use as a tuner, and feed a wintv-pvr 250 card via composite input

[22:27:56]

BULLE:

normal1: and also a dvb-c card

[22:27:56]

slowone:

what vcard are you useing Xanium4332 ?

[22:27:56]

normal1:

ahh

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mick-w:

stuarta: ^^ is that right?

[22:28:08]

Xanium4332:

an onboard nvidia 6150, on my MSI K8NGM2-DIF mobo

[22:28:18]

normal1:

hmm I think I have a lot of research to do

[22:28:21]

stuarta:

mick-w: not heard of that file before...

[22:28:25]

normal1:

but I seriously gotta get rid of tivo

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normal1:

one thing.. I need to be able to record and watch at the same time.. any recommendations on how to accomplish this?

[22:28:49]

normal1:

aside from getting two tuners

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stuarta:

normal1: record then watch recording in progress

[22:29:35]

mick-w:

stuarta: sorry – very new to mythtv, is there a direction you could point me in to make sure my grabber is working?

[22:30:02]

normal1:

stuarta, how about recording one channel while watching another?

[22:30:13]

stuarta:

normal1: 2 cards.

[22:30:25]

stuarta:

mick-w: essentially you have 2 options

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normal1:

thats what I thought

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stuarta:

1) use the on-air EIT data

[22:31:01]

stuarta:

2) use the grabber, for which you will need to do some more reading...

[22:31:13]

slowone:

Xanium4332: newest nvidia drivers installed and happy?

[22:31:33]

stuarta:

mick-w: also check in .xmltv

[22:31:59]

Dibblah:

stuarta: Doesn't this addition of decryption status check require a protocol bump?

[22:32:23]

Xanium4332:

yep

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mick-w:

stuarta: cheers, I'll try the EIT data for now, and read about the grabber

[22:32:35]

Xanium4332:

no glaring problems

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stuarta:

Dibblah: if it doesn't change the FE/BE protocol it doesn't

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Xanium4332:

I know the 6150 supports not great

[22:32:50]

Xanium4332:

the old drivers had major problems

[22:32:58]

Xanium4332:

but there's not that much info

[22:33:12]

Xanium4332:

it doesn't even seem to attempt to use XvMC

[22:33:16]

Dibblah:

Gotta look at the patch again, then :)

[22:33:18]

mick-w:

stuarta: one more question – I'm presuming this error is due to no guide data, other people (when searching via google) seem to think the same, would you agree?

[22:33:22]

Dibblah:

I do, I mean.

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stuarta:

mick-w: i use the EIT data, and it's 97% good, and easier than downloading RT data every day.

[22:33:31]

Xanium4332:

mick-w: I suggest using the EIT data, it's normally more accurate

[22:33:43]

Xanium4332:

I've had it a couple of times where radiotimes has been wrong

[22:33:45]

stuarta:

mick-w: you'll have to tell me what your error is...

[22:33:55]

mick-w:

stuarta:basically i cannot watch livetv, just dumps me out. it has the error no pginfo

[22:34:14]

mick-w:

so i assume its right to say if u dont have epg data for a channel, livetv drops u out?

[22:34:29]

stuarta:

should just say "unknown"

[22:34:38]

mick-w:

thats what i thought it would do

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slowone:

what color depth is your box set to? one doc says you wana make sure its set to 24bpp

[22:34:45]

mick-w:

seemed odd to bomb out simply due to no guide data

[22:35:02]

stuarta:

never seen that before.

[22:35:18]

mick-w:

it also has the error GetEntryAt(-1) failed.

[22:35:24]

mick-w:

then has the pginfo error

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Xanium4332:

slowone: 24bpp

[22:35:35]

Dibblah:

mick-w: Do you have a seperated backend / frontend?

[22:35:36]

mick-w:

then "TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started "

[22:35:52]

mick-w:

Dibblah: i plan to but right now im just testing the frontend on the same machine as the backend

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stuarta:

mick-w: can you pastebin your backend log?

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mick-w:

stuarta:sure – one sec

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slowone:

hm have you tried to see if mplayer will use xvmc?

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Xanium4332:

no

[22:37:41]

Xanium4332:

infact mplayer not installed

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mick-w:

stuarta: http://pastebin.ca/312457

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Xanium4332:

I'll install it and report back

[22:37:53]

slowone:

http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/Lin . . . foNvidia5200

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Xanium4332:

do u know the command line args for mplayer to make it use XvMC

[22:38:08]

mick-w:

thats my entire backend log, its very small

[22:38:16]

mick-w:

as i have only just got it up and running recently

[22:38:35]

Xanium4332:

it mentions XvMC being an X extension

[22:38:42]

Xanium4332:

do I have to add anything to my xorg.conf

[22:38:48]

Xanium4332:

like Module "XvMC"

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slowone:

if you look at that link, there is a section on mplayer to test to make sure xvmc is working

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Xanium4332:

(I'm using Gentoo)

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Xanium4332:

k, thanks

[22:39:24]

crudpuppy:

hmmm, emerged ivtv and it wont modprobe it

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slowone:

Xanium4332: about half way down there is a section ' Creation of the configuration file for XvMC on nVidia 5200' that lists a file that may need pokeing

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Xanium4332:

k

[22:40:51]

Xanium4332:

I'll check

[22:40:53]

Xanium4332:

thanks

[22:42:46]

Dibblah:

Heh. Someone wants PS3 Myth. On a crippled frame buffer.

[22:43:12]

Xanium4332:

yeah, shame about no hardware acceleration for the PS3

[22:43:19]

Xanium4332:

still don't like it in general tho

[22:43:26]

Dibblah:

No XV. That pretty much kills it.

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topillo:

mick-w: the problem could be "Running as a slave backend.", shouldn't it be "Master" backend?

[22:43:46]

stuarta:

Dibblah: you have a ticket ref for the stuff you are looking at?

[22:44:27]

Dibblah:

r12473

[22:44:40]

Dibblah:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/12473

[22:44:41]

stuarta:

smells like a changeset

[22:45:14]

mick-w:

topillo: it would sound sensible for it to be master yeh, though im very new so dont know

[22:45:28]

mick-w:

my log mentions adding server as slave backend

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mick-w:

that must mean server (machine name) has itself to itself as a slave

[22:45:51]

mick-w:

which sounds odd...

[22:46:56]

topillo:

mick-w: in my log when de server starts it says: "Starting up as the master server."

[22:47:20]

Dibblah:

stuarta: Doesn't pass through protocol. It's a text string.

[22:47:24]

Dibblah:

I was wrong.

[22:47:30]

stuarta:

mick-w: sounds like you have incorrectly specified the master backend settings....

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mick-w:

ok, wonder if that would cause what the error im seeing

[22:48:13]

Dibblah:

Well, of course it's encapsulated in the protocol.

[22:48:14]

stuarta:

wrong master backend specification.

[22:48:41]

mick-w:

annoyingly i only have ssh access to the server atm :S cant run mythtv-setup to change it

[22:49:05]

juski:

uh? I set mythtv compiling before I left the house and... no errors.

[22:49:29]

mick-w:

im trying to remember the vnc program i used to use, worked like windows vnc

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Dibblah:

X11vnc

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Dibblah:

/ vncviewer

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Xanium4332:

hmm, seems I'm missing /etc/X11/XvMCConfig (It's not located anywhere). I'll create it and test...

[22:51:29]

juski:

if I could remember what ip address my cctv was using I'd be able to check who it is who nicked my space

[22:51:46]

topillo:

mick-w: SELECT * FROM settings where value='masterserverip'

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Xanium4332:

yeh

[22:52:11]

Xanium4332:

just wot I was gonna recommend

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juski:

heheh

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juski:

cheers

[22:52:26]

Xanium4332:

unless ur on a large network

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mick-w:

topillo: one sec

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mick-w:

that query returns 127.0.0.1 as the masterserverip

[22:54:01]

juski:

found it

[22:54:05]

juski:

:)

[22:57:33]

AngryElf_:

does mythDVD support threading across several machines?

[22:57:44]

juski:

nope

[22:57:47]

mick-w:

ty for the x11vnc tip :)

[22:57:51]

mick-w:

thats the one it was

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mick-w:

workin nice

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Xanium4332:

erm threading video is v. hard

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AngryElf_:

i dunno, dvdrip does a good job of it

[22:58:13]

Xanium4332:

and unless ur pc is not capable of dvd playback

[22:58:13]

juski:

I need to fix my cat5 video tx on me cctv

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Xanium4332:

yeh

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Xanium4332:

I meant playing video

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AngryElf_:

...?

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AngryElf_:

who threads dvd playback and why?

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Xanium4332:

thats kinda wot I mean

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AngryElf_:

yea, sorry i meant to say threaded encoding

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AngryElf_:

i guess i thought that was assumed :)

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Xanium4332:

MythDVD is for playing DVD's

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Xanium4332:

u mean for ripping, erm, no

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Xanium4332:

anyway

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Xanium4332:

gtg to bed

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Xanium4332:

got examns tomorrow morning

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Xanium4332:

bi all

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stuarta:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

juski, it seems to work OK, BTW, in case you missed it earlier :)

[23:04:58]

mick-w:

lmfao

[23:05:10]

mick-w:

maybe also did not help that my servers ip address was set wrong also

[23:05:28]

mick-w:

thankyou dudes!

[23:05:31]

mick-w:

very helpful of you

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mick-w:

working now

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mick-w:

and i shall investigate using the EIT data instead of RT

[23:06:06]

juski:

Beirdo.. great :)

[23:06:34]

Mattwj2005:

hey anyone want to take and pass the Cisco 642–812?

[23:07:02]

Beirdo:

range is a bit limited, but that shouldn't be a problem in the final setup

[23:07:04]

Mattwj2005:

sweet dude....thanks :)

[23:07:10]

Beirdo:

oh, and it worked on the laptop :)

[23:07:13]

juski:

just sit there & click A for every answer? sounds easy

[23:08:15]

** juski goes & moves his car **

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mick-w:

anyone used winmyth?

[23:10:50]

AngryElf_:

if, for example, at one point i ./configure --enable-mythbrowser, then later on want to add mythdvd, will --disable-mythbrowser remove mythbrowser or just leave it untouched?

[23:11:57]

juski:

mick-w: I did. twice. crashed my backend both times

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juski:

winmyth is dead in the water AFAIK

[23:12:41]

mick-w:

ah right

[23:12:42]

mick-w:

shame

[23:12:50]

mick-w:

would be handy to use it on work laptop

[23:12:52]

juski:

there are a few ways to play recordings in windows these days though

[23:13:02]

juski:

nero showcenter

[23:13:13]

juski:

tapeworm, and some other thing

[23:13:26]

jams:

http://jmeyer.us/e107_plugins/autogallery/aut . . . beselect.jpg

[23:13:34]

juski:

and maybe a couple of other programs that can use upnp

[23:13:51]

jams:

juski, thats the first run the be seleciton screen. It pops up if more then one BE is found in the db

[23:14:00]

mick-w:

hmm, how do you access the recordings on the server? via samba?

[23:14:02]

juski:

jams: nice!

[23:14:05]

jams:

when attempting todo a restart

[23:14:22]

juski:

mick-w: with some you don't even need shares

[23:14:51]

mick-w:

how do you get at the recordings then?

[23:14:58]

juski:

anyway.. must say the Bond movie was very good :)

[23:15:17]

mick-w:

i dont know much about myth, i presume it uses its own protocol to stream video?

[23:15:18]

juski:

mick-w: Nero ShowCenter or whatever they call it, uses upnp

[23:15:38]

juski:

tapeworm needs a share to work I _think_

[23:16:30]

mick-w:

sounds pretty cool :)

[23:16:34]

juski:

but it autodiscovers recordings by itself

[23:16:37]

mick-w:

ive only seen upnp used to map router ports

[23:16:45]

juski:

worth the guiltware fee for sure

[23:17:05]

mick-w:

so you would need to install software on your myth box to serve upnp up somehow i presume?

[23:17:09]

juski:

download, if you like it & use it donate to charity.. very worthy

[23:17:13]

juski:

mick-w: nope

[23:17:20]

juski:

mythbackend does it

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juski:

ugh. too much popcorn :(

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SlicerDicer-:

I wonder if mythtv would run on this http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/produc . . . 4-002-01.JPG :)

[23:18:29]

mick-w:

just reading about that upnp

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mick-w:

that sounds pretty damn good

[23:19:08]

juski:

SlicerDicer-: doubt it somehow

[23:19:22]

juski:

jams: btw I'll be trying that iso out on my s100 soonish

[23:19:54]

juski:

before I get carried away with http://juski.co.uk/screenshots/comingsoon.png

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juski:

make me stop.. please!

[23:20:41]

jams:

remember you don't like dark themes!

[23:20:47]

juski:

I can't take criticism about my themes yet I keep making more. one for Dr Seuss there

[23:21:06]

juski:

jams: but it's new, and shiny shiny..

[23:21:15]

mick-w:

wheres a good place for myth themes then?

[23:21:22]

juski:

mick-w: the mythtv wiki

[23:21:42]

mick-w:

ah yeh :)

[23:22:00]

juski:

and various mythtv themes packages which can be found loitering in damp corners of the interweb thingy

[23:22:05]

SlicerDicer-:

juski: I wonder what the hardware in that thing is

[23:22:27]

mick-w:

soon (if i can get my head round it ;)) i plan on using a diskless frontend

[23:22:31]

mick-w:

and netbooting it

[23:22:57]

juski:

http://eunicorn.manufacturer.globalsources.co . . . tProduct.htm

[23:23:01]

mick-w:

i occasionally may want to change themes, this will get very annoying as ill have to recreate images that the client boots from (i think.....)

[23:23:30]

mick-w:

so my question would be – do the themes have to be installed on the frontends, or do they get transferred from the backend?

[23:23:39]

juski:

mick-w: local, on the frontend

[23:23:42]

mick-w:

arse

[23:23:44]

SlicerDicer-:

http://www.mvixusa.com/product.php?product=mx760 juski it runs linux

[23:24:02]

mick-w:

thats a bit of a bugger

[23:24:10]

mick-w:

will have to look more into netbooting

[23:24:13]

juski:

SlicerDicer-: a digital watch CPU could prolly run linux, doesn't say mythtv would run on it though

[23:24:19]

mick-w:

because that sounds like a potential pain

[23:24:28]

SlicerDicer-:

juski: true that but you could use NFS and mount it :)

[23:24:30]

juski:

mick-w: use NFS shares

[23:24:42]

mick-w:

i have heard they can become complex

[23:24:42]

juski:

SlicerDicer-: I'm thinking more of its CPU power

[23:24:43]

SlicerDicer-:

juski: play mpeg2 with the default software

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mick-w:

for a reason im not yet sure

[23:24:52]

juski:

mick-w: edit /etc/exports

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SlicerDicer-:

it says its able to do mpeg divx etc juski

[23:25:06]

juski:

mount ip.add.re.ss:/sharename /somedir

[23:25:09]

juski:

ding dong

[23:25:22]

SlicerDicer-:

juski: more than likely got somekinda hardware decoder like hauppauge so it dont need much power

[23:25:44]

juski:

SlicerDicer-: it's fugly though.

[23:25:47]

mick-w:

i will have a look at it :)

[23:25:49]

mick-w:

ty juski

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juski:

np

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mick-w:

anyone got any experiance running myth on an epia 5000?

[23:26:14]

mick-w:

just the frontend

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juski:

mick-w: ooo that'd be juuuuuuust fast enough if it has the mpeg2 decoder onboard

[23:26:48]

juski:

might have trouble playing mpeg4/divx/xvid though

[23:26:54]

juski:

or it might not

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mick-w:

yeh im thinking that

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mick-w:

plus its attached to an lcd which needs to be run at 1366x768

[23:27:17]

mick-w:

not sure if its going to struggle

[23:27:23]

juski:

mick-w: you wouldn't be able to do it in winduhs

[23:27:23]

mick-w:

still, will find out soon enough

[23:27:32]

juski:

but in linux.. worth a go :)

[23:27:37]

mick-w:

aye

[23:27:47]

mick-w:

talking of slimmer requirements

[23:27:55]

mick-w:

installed the backend using a guide on ubuntu's website

[23:27:59]

juski:

mick-w: the video hardware does the scaling IIRC, so the grunt is only needed to decode video in the first place

[23:28:00]

mick-w:

nice way to it it seems

[23:28:09]

mick-w:

did a console istall

[23:28:14]

mick-w:

then installed x and openbox

[23:28:17]

juski:

mick-w: for the epia frontend... minimyth

[23:28:17]

mick-w:

very lightweight

[23:28:31]

juski:

parker1.co.uk for a guide on serving minimyth from ubuntu :)

[23:28:36]

mick-w:

yeh minimyth has caught my attention before

[23:28:41]

mick-w:

ty for the link :)

[23:28:57]

juski:

me & minimyth had a brief falling out, but it's my best mate again

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seth4:

Hi all. I've got a PVR-350 whose composite audio outs are looped into the line in of my onboard AC'97 sound card, then out to speakers. Suddenly, as of a couple of weeks ago, I have much quieter audio in the left channel than the right.

[23:29:14]

juski:

up next to what jams is doing ;)

[23:29:28]

juski:

seth4: dodgy cabling?

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mick-w:

juski: have you run minimyth via netboot?

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juski:

mick-w: yeah

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seth4:

Tried different cabling, and difference devices in and out, and all work fine.

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juski:

boots in less than 60secs

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juski:

seth4: balance control? ;)

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juski:

anyway I need to fire up mythfrontend on my s100 for a sec...

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seth4:

checked line in balance in alsamixer, and it's even. All other audio plays fine by the way, dvd, music from disk, etc.

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mick-w:

juski: is that what you use on a daily basis?

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seth4:

I installed a PCI sound card, and the problem was resolved, but no DVD sound as the sound card has no S/PDIF out

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juski:

mick-w: minimyth? yeah

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mick-w:

i mean via netboot

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mick-w:

cool :)

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mick-w:

well i fortuanatly got this epia 5000 for free, so if it doesnt work, no real loss

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mick-w:

:P

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mick-w:

i found ubuntu to boot very fast in the way ive set it up from the guide i followed

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juski:

edgy?

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mick-w:

from grub it boots in about 20–30 secs

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mick-w:

yeh

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juski:

or 'wedgy' as I call it...

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mick-w:

lol why wedgy

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juski:

never tried wedgy on the frontend

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jduggan:

i must admit, the most hateful distro ever seems to boot very quick.. and thats gentoo

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mick-w:

in fact id say 20 secs, not 30

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jduggan:

although i dont use it on a desktop system

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jduggan:

or myth system for that matter

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juski:

mick-w: from grub to X in < 30s? neat

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jduggan:

hah

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jduggan:

i cant see that

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mick-w:

yeh, and with openbox it just flashes up

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mick-w:

after login, bledin quick

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mick-w:

i must say i was surprised

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mick-w:

did a console install

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mick-w:

then installed x and openbox

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mick-w:

so no gnome or kde etc

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mick-w:

its got gdm on

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juski:

I had erm... hrm... ratpoison

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jduggan:

the quickest box i ever saw boot was a dual xeon with 4gb of ram on raid5 running win2k3.. only problem was the raid bios was slow

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jduggan:

but fuck me it booted quick

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mick-w:

yeh, im talkin from grub here not from post

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mick-w:

altho post on the mobo is quick

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seth4:

exit

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jduggan:

and i work with some serious piece of quick

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seth4:

oops

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jduggan:

erm

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jduggan:

piece of kit, lol

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seth4:

meant to leave and accidently typed it as though I was on a command line :))

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mick-w:

lol

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Milosch:

the HP raid cards are damn quick

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mick-w:

raid card in our dl380 seems to be pretty slow....

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mick-w:

good once its going tho

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Milosch:

smartarray 6400 was in the last couple i saw

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Milosch:

replaced 36G drives with 146G, each one rebuilt in 20 minutes

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Milosch:

comparable dell took almost 9 hours

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mick-w:

yeh

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mick-w:

used to havea poweredge

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jduggan:

we tend to use rocketraid cards @ work.. simply because they 'work' and are pretty well priced

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mick-w:

didnt like it

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Milosch:

scary fast by comparison

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Milosch:

i liked them fine, but once i saw that – man

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mick-w:

it was very picky with the drives

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juski:

playing back sdtv mpeg2 on a 733mhz cpu in slackware...

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mick-w:

im not sure if it was the drives, i dont think it was

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juski:

4893 juski 15 0 101m 66m 33m R 27.2 54.7 0:11.91 mythfrontend

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mick-w:

reported them as failed, you took them out, failed, did it again and they are fine all of a sudden

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mick-w:

and they work for months

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juski:

27.2% CPU :)

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Milosch:

bad cage i guess

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mick-w:

could be

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Milosch:

their warranty is good anyway, if you get the same day 4 hour

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mick-w:

cant blame it tho it was old

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mick-w:

a poweredge 4400

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juski:

ouch.. 3.8GB used on hda

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Milosch:

omg

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Milosch:

i have a new customer with i think two of those

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mick-w:

really? wow

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Milosch:

drive caddy is almost 2" wide

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SeaWeed:

Got a Quick ? not shure any 1 Know Answer or not When I Change Channel in myth TV it Gives Channel # On top of Screen it Only Shows 4 digits is there away to have it Show at least 5 Digits ?

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mick-w:

this thing is...ooohhh......4 years old

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mick-w:

yeh massive caddies lol

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mick-w:

huge things

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Milosch:

whatever they are, they are probably vintage 97

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mick-w:

specially when u see the new hp's with sff scsi's

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Milosch:

dual PIII

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mick-w:

8 10k rpm scsi's in a 2u

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Milosch:

ah

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mick-w:

with optical drive etc or whatever

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Milosch:

their new boxes have terabyte raid arrays attached to them

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Milosch:

same client

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mick-w:

yeh

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mick-w:

nice machines

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Milosch:

vendor like to make money, sells them win2k3 enterprise for some reason

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AdamKili:

ok i just got a new Nvidia GeForce MX4000 card with TV-Out how do i configure it?

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Milosch:

AdamKili: there is a howto section specifically for nvidia, and maybe that model

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mick-w:

enterprise, pricey

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Milosch:

yeah, no reason for a 5 server shop...

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mick-w:

lol yeh not really

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Milosch:

maybe it's just what they installed, you know

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Milosch:

buy x, sell y, install z

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mick-w:

do they use the features? clustering and HA and all that stuff?

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Milosch:

nope

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mick-w:

yeh pretty pointless then

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Milosch:

i have yet to work in an environment that needed it, except for the sad datacenter at the last job

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Hobbiticus:

ok, i'm having some serious trouble getting my pchdtv 5500 working with mythtv

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mick-w:

yeh never worked in a datacenter

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Milosch:

was just a nasty rack with 10 servers of different makes and models and sizes ;)

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Milosch:

nmp anymore

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juski:

hang on .. 27.2% CPU usage on a 733Mhz celery? jesus my epia m10k uses more than that with XvMC !

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Hobbiticus:

i can watch programs in tvtime, but mythtv refuses to tune any channels

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mick-w:

sounds like maybe my 5000 wont be so bad off after all :P

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rsdvd:

juski : I got the VGA working on that S100 :-) but the PS2 mod won't work :-(

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juski:

mick-w: maybe

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juski:

rsdvd: did you remember to unplug the front panel?

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juski:

Hobbiticus: if I were you I'd really not bother with the analogue part of that card

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rsdvd:

yes......I can get it to ctrl+alt+del.....but nothing else

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juski:

rsdvd: you press DEL to get into the bios

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juski:

unplug the front panel

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juski:

plug in your ps2 adapter

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juski:

switch the mains on so it's in standby

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rsdvd:

I know – but it seems to only recognise the keybouard after it has started loading win ce

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juski:

then press the little switch on the PCB nearest the front of the box

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mick-w:

rightybob, im off to bed

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rsdvd:

the usb->ps2 does the same...opnly seems to be recognised too late

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mick-w:

cheers all for the help, much appreciated

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juski:

right after that press DEL repeatedly

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juski:

(very fast)

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Hobbiticus:

why is that juski?

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juski:

mick-w: nighty night

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juski:

Hobbiticus: because it's a HDTV tuner, is why

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mick-w:

nn

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rsdvd:

lol.....I did – like a man posessed.......I will try again tomorrow

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juski:

and analogue TV from a framegrabber is very much not HDTV

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Hobbiticus:

well even so, it would be nice to get the HD channels too

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juski:

Hobbiticus: anyway mythtv can't yet deal with hybrid tuners properly

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juski:

like what happens if there's a HD channel scheduled to record while you watch analogue?

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Hobbiticus:

well, for now I'd be using this purely for recording

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juski:

myth can't yet deal with that kind of scenario, so on balance I'd be forgetting all about the analogue tuner

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Hobbiticus:

and i don't really care right now about those situations

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juski:

easy enough to set up both parts as different cards though

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AdamKili:

Milosch: where? i can't find it

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juski:

just don't try & use em at the same time

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Hobbiticus:

that's fine

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Hobbiticus:

i want to take this one thing at a time anyway

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Hobbiticus:

first thing is to be able to view live tv

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Milosch:

AdamKili: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/NVidiaProprietaryDriver is one

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juski:

Hobbiticus: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PcHDTV_HD-3000

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crudpuppy:

well, I got that cheapo norwood micro card workin

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crudpuppy:

BUT, terrible singal

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Aurelius:

i'm trying to use mpeg-4 with an analogue bt878, but when i use mpeg-4, playing back a video file that's currently being recorded to, the playback quits after a little bit.. any ideas?

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crudpuppy:

lol

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Aurelius:

(even though the recording is constant)

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Milosch:

ok, everybody paste their favorite wiki page ;)

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juski:

Aurelius: Enotenoughcpu ?

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Hobbiticus:

yeah, i've done most of that

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Aurelius:

juski: looking at top, only at 70% on one core, mythfrontend running at 35% on the other core

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Milosch:

oof

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Hobbiticus:

the problem is there's no signal detected by the card in any of those cable/8vsb/irc/hrc/etc combinations

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juski:

'only' at 70%. ouch

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juski:

Hobbiticus: tvtime doesn't do hdtv

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Hobbiticus:

yeah

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juski:

Aurelius: you realise that with a hdtv/dvb/firewire/hdhomerun/pvr tuner the cpu usage would be a lot nearer 0%, right?

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Hobbiticus:

but i know i at least have a signal coming in because tvtime can tune NTSC channels

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Hobbiticus:

and i can watch HD channels on my TV with the same cable hookup

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juski:

Hobbiticus: and did you try the scanning method mentioned on the wiki page? for the hd channels I mean?

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Aurelius:

juski: yes. i just grabbed this to test, the PVR-500 is on order

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Milosch:

i always thought it was linux' fault that my wintv card looked like crap, but no, it is crap

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Aurelius:

we're looking to store as much as possible in as little space as possible. mpeg4 has better quality than the rtjpeg per MB

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Milosch:

at least on mine, the tuner is awful

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juski:

Aurelius: you could just get a bigger HDD or 2

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Aurelius:

there's just this issue where the "live" playback, on the current recording, it quits out

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Aurelius:

juski: we're looking at recording 3 months worth

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Aurelius:

we don't need high quality

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Aurelius:

but we don't want so many artifacts

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Milosch:

ah, security system?

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Aurelius:

basically, looking for some sort of archiving

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Aurelius:

nah

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juski:

pffff. good luck with that

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Hobbiticus:

i think I have, but i'll run through them one more time to make sure

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Milosch:

k

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Aurelius:

it's an off-air monitor :)

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Milosch:

ah, for tv station?

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Aurelius:

yup

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Milosch:

k

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juski:

no funds to buy a pro archiver?

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Milosch:

how about a vhs?

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** Milosch ducks **

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juski:

:-P

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crudpuppy:

hmm

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Aurelius:

juski: this is merely to have a small record

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Aurelius:

we don't need super high quality

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Milosch:

what do they call that, something check

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crudpuppy:

k, got me a first gen Air2PC/AirStar 2

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