Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, January 9th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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bolty:

it also seems to want kde for most plugins that i've tried

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kormoc:

bolty, it needs the kde-dev package likely. You might need to pass in the directorys where it can find it

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kormoc:

bolty, shouldn't... I have every plugin other then mythbrowser installed without kde on my mythbox

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bolty:

kormoc, on osx?

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bolty:

using the osx-packager?

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kormoc:

bolty, no, on linux, but shouldn't change the fact that they're not hard dependancys

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bolty:

kormoc, yeah, thats what i figured. But not having much luck.

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fiXXXerMet:

Anyone think that http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1443 might work for the 32552 model?

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s0medude:

what is the path to saa7134 kernal module

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kormoc:

s0medude, how can we know?

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hads:

find'

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kormoc:

fiXXXerMet, requires a login

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s0medude:

is pastebin down ?

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s0medude:

kormac: http://pastebin.com/854717 can u help out with this ?

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hads:

Help with your PCI hardware?

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s0medude:

yes

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** toad_ is filing a bug for his problems anyway **

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kormoc:

s0medude, it's kormoc, two o's. and that doesn't really help much

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s0medude:

giving up.....

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s0medude:

sorry

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s0medude:

kormoc

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toad_:

can users get trac accounts? how?

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SlicerDicer:

when I run mythfilldatabase will it regenerate the program sql?

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dk2:

I saw a case link with intel motherboard and psu, microatx

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dk2:

It was from newegg.com, but I can't find it.

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dk2:

kormoc: You here?

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Beirdo:

blargh

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xris:

dk2: he'll be back in a sec

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xris:

Beirdo: welcome back

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Beirdo:

I think I'll take this IR LED and phototransistor back to Rat Shack and get an IR LED and a frigging remote control receiver module

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Beirdo:

heya, xris

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Beirdo:

the phototransistor is totally useless for LIRC, and I can either do a "transmit-only" solution and hope I can generate the right codes... or build the receiver too and actually record what the remote sends

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Beirdo:

Oh, and for the record. I fuckin hate Liberty Cable

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Beirdo:

we went to get a second box today... they will only let you have one if their buttcrack technicians bring it to your house

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xris:

well, you *did* move to a non-country

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Beirdo:

and you get to pay for that priviledge

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xris:

wtf

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Beirdo:

apparently too many people got second boxes and installed them in the neighbor's houses or some such shit

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Beirdo:

so we are seriously considering telling them to fuck themselves and get Dish

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Beirdo:

they'd still be our ISP, but that'd be it

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Beirdo:

but that requires getting someone to install the dish and run cables for us, blah blah blah

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xris:

can't use the same cables?

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Beirdo:

doubt it

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Beirdo:

as we'd still have the cable modem

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Beirdo:

other than that, probably

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Beirdo:

I'd have to get up on the roof and see how they split it for the three rooms, one of which will need a new run for sure

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xris:

ah, yeah. I have separate wires for each jack. can selectively hook cable/dish to whatever I want.

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kslater:

is there a way to force myth to record on a specific channel? I have 2 versions of a channel on one tuner – both digital – 1 in SD and another in HD

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Beirdo:

well, our wires are run from up on the roof, I think

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kslater:

since my HD playback isn't sorted out, I'd like to force it to the SD version for now

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Beirdo:

and there are nice holes in the walls, etc for them to come in. BLECH

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Beirdo:

gotta love concrete houses

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xris:

kslater: change teh callsign.

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Beirdo:

anyways, they made both me and the wife pretty mad today :)

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Beirdo:

so... they will likely lose our business

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Beirdo:

kinda designing my own compatible IR transmitter circuit here

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Beirdo:

I don't like the ones that are out there

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Beirdo:

not enough idiot protection in them

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supertux:

hi i'm monitoring the files that mythtv creates while im watching. I had 50 gigs of files and only 5 of that was on programs that i recorded

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kormoc:

and the others were?

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supertux:

just of stuff i was watching

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supertux:

nothing i planned to record

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xris:

supertux: livetv. yes, mythtv records/archives that stuff, too

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opello:

is there some super secret way to clean that off too?

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xris:

opello: it just goes away on its own

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opello:

if what criteria are met?

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xris:

when mythtv needs disk space

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xris:

it keeps livetv recordings around so you can go back later and re-watch stuff, etc.

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supertux:

xris: ok i was wondering because i had about 2 gigs free

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opello:

hrm, i never see them listed :/

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supertux:

that doesn't make sense it should be listed or it does no good

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xris:

opello: you probably have mythtv set to hide them

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xris:

look in mythweb. it shows them all by default, under the LiveTV recgroup.

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opello:

probably something i did without knowing during setup

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opello:

all i can choose in 'show recordings' is show titles

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opello:

no specific group selector

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defend:

hmm is there a way to boast or clear up digi/hd cable?

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GreyFoxx:

$opell: It will also auto delete after 24 hours has passed

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defend:

i wasnt able to get anything with my hd cable till i took off my splitter

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GreyFoxx:

unless you configure it otherwise

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opello:

GreyFoxx: oh, cool

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harker:

is anyone having trouble connecting to datadirect ? for listings ?

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Hoondie:

hey people, can someone help me out, my EPG only says "No Data" for every channel.. any ideas?

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CCFL_Man:

anyone here think mythtv frontend can run on a 400mhz intel pxe?

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Scopeuk:

Hoondie do you use xml tv?

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Scopeuk:

CCFL_Man sd i should think so

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Hoondie:

Skopeuk: using tv_grab_au

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Scopeuk:

i have a combined fe/be runnign on a 433 celeron wit ha frage grabber althgouh performance sucks ass obviously

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Hoondie:

Skopeuk: looks as if it grabs all the channels, but it's not appearing in the EPG

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Scopeuk:

Hoondie xmltv might be failing when it tries to do mythfilldatabasse happens to mie all the time

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CCFL_Man:

Scopeuk: it's a linksys wma11b, think decoding standard definition mpeg2 will be much of an issue?

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Scopeuk:

ive had to fix it wit han xml v patch

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Hoondie:

is there any log anywhere i can use to find out if it is failing?

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Scopeuk:

you got myth web?

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Hoondie:

yep

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Scopeuk:

go tothe backend status page

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Hoondie:

it's saying that mythfilldatabase ran but did not insert any new data into the guide

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supertux:

shouldn't it ask me for a username and password?

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Scopeuk:

hmm cant you invoke xmltv idependantly /through mythfill databse

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Scopeuk:

see if the data source is offline

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Scopeuk:

CCFL_Man im lookign for detaisl ofthe guts of the box can you help me out

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Scopeuk:

?

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Leebier:

anyone around here use a PVR-350 and can lend a hand? I'm getting no audio, but the mythbackend isn't reporting any errors, which is odd

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tcpsyn:

are you using the svideo input?

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tcpsyn:

is this a dedicated mythbox that you don't use for anything else?

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Scopeuk:

CCFL_Man that box has nowhere near enough ram for a myth frontend

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Leebier:

wait

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Leebier:

i'm an idiot

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tcpsyn:

mute?

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tcpsyn:

heh

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Leebier:

not quite that bad

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Leebier:

but i forgot about the use PVR-350 output checkbox in the setup panels

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tcpsyn:

ah.

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Leebier:

was in such a hurry to get everything done last night that i didn't go through all that stuff yet

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Leebier:

well, i feel smart having searched gossamer for the last 30 minutes

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Leebier:

so finally, i hav a working mythbox again! It's been a couple years!

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Beirdo:

anyone know how long (in time) the IR burst of a remote control is?

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Scopeuk:

CCFL_Man you could probably get it to play back the mpeg 2 streams

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xris:

Beirdo: point it at a digicam and watch?

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kormoc:

Beirdo, depends on the remote I thought?

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Hoondie:

Scopeuk: running mythfilldatabase now, can you tell me if this is normal. http://pastebin.com/854728 ?

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Leebier:

beirdo, i know w/ my STB remote, .4 seconds seems to be long enough of a pause between hitting numbers

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Leebier:

and my STB blows seriously

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Scopeuk:

Hoondie thats an irc log

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Beirdo:

well, I'm considering what capacitance I will need in this IR transmitter circuit

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Leebier:

oh

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Leebier:

that's what irblaster.info is for :)

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Leebier:

was $15 well spent

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Hoondie:

sorry.. http://pastebin.com/854782

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Leebier:

and that's cheap in £ these days :)

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Beirdo:

as it will be "fueling" the IR LED

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Beirdo:

I have 470uF, but I think it will be not enough, as it will hit 1.7V in 15.51ms

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supertux:

is there a way that we can do something to compress TV recordings. turn them into divx or something?

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Beirdo:

(discharging through 33 ohms)

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supertux:

or is quality an issue when you try to do that?

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Leebier:

supertux- the name of what you're looking for is "transcoding"

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BULLE:

supertux: yes, you can either record in that format directly ( if your card give raw access )

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BULLE:

supertux: or you can just re-encode it into divx, after recording it

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Leebier:

i haven't done much, so i'm not much help, but there's tons of ppl around and docs on teh web for it

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BULLE:

supertux: transcode is the term for it, used in mythtv

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Scopeuk:

Hoondie and again

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BULLE:

supertux: what tv card do you have ?

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supertux:

BULLE: can that be setup to happen automagically?

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supertux:

hauppauge pvr 150

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BULLE:

okies, so the pvr will record to mpeg2 then

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Scopeuk:

yes

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BULLE:

so you will have to transcode it

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BULLE:

dunno if you can add a default transcode

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Beirdo:

remembering my electrical engineering basic skills after 10 years is fun

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supertux:

BULLE: that would be pretty neat if you could set it to transcode files while the tv is not in use

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supertux:

i would imagine doing that would have a negative impact on the quality of the TV picture it it were working during playback

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supertux:

if it*

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Hoondie:

pastebin is being so slow!

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tcpsyn:

rafb.net

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Hoondie:

http://pastebin.com/854782 << That one works

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CCFL_Man:

Scopeuk: the thing here is that it's a nice platform, the wma11b, and i think it can run mythtv frontend

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Beirdo:

or pastebin.ca

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

pastebin.com is often a dog

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Scopeuk:

Hoondie thats the same address again

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Hoondie:

It's whats in my browser

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Scopeuk:

doesent work here

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Hoondie:

and it's what i pasted.. i'll try another one

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Scopeuk:

use pastebin.ca

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Hoondie:

http://pastebin.ca/310763

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xris:

supertux: you could always just change the bitrate settings for your mpeg2 files so they're smaller to start with.

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Scopeuk:

Hoondie thats not normal in my experiece

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Scopeuk:

maby check if theres a newer version of the grabber

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supertux:

xris: the quality of the video would be worse?

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Hoondie:

yea, looking now.. it's all over the place

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Hoondie:

do i have to link channels to channels within the EPG?

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Hoondie:

or is that done automatically?

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xris:

supertux: not much worse than transcoding to myth's mpeg4.

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xris:

supertux: but that's up to you to determins.

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xris:

determine.

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xris:

personally, anything I want archived log-term I just use nuvexport to save h.264 or xvid avi.

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xris:

and then access with mythvideo

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supertux:

hmm

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supertux:

what is nuvexport?

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xris:

myth's mpeg4 encoder results in files that only myth can effectively play, and it's tuned for realtime encoding so the quality isn't as good as other mpeg4 encoder options.

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xris:

supertux: google and the mythtv wiki can answer that.

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supertux:

thanks

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tcpsyn:

I don't want to go to work.

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tcpsyn:

atleast I got the late machine

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dilano:

I was owndering if anyone has had sucess ith FC6 and LIRC?

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dilano:

I cannot get it to work AT ALL

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xris:

Leebier: look at INSTALL and mythweb.conf.apache in SVN (you can see/download them from the trac source browser at svn.mythtv.org)

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xris:

Leebier: much better setup/documentation than the .20 stuff

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xris:

dilano: you probably need the kernel modules, which you can only get from atrpms

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dilano:

well, I followed the directions to a T

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tcpsyn:

can you install new visualizations into mythmusic?

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dilano:

used the instructions lovcated on Jarod's site

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dilano:

*located

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xris:

dilano: did you install lirc-kmdl (or whtever axel calls it)?

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Leebier:

uh

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** Leebier feels dumb **

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dilano:

yulp

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Leebier:

haven't played w/ the SVN versions of well, anything, before

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xris:

dilano: and boot to that kernel?

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xris:

Leebier: just those two files.

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dilano:

yum -y install lirc-kmdl-$KVER

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dilano:

the excat command I used

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dilano:

*exact

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Leebier:

ah

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xris:

Leebier: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythplugins/mythweb

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xris:

click on the files, and then use the download link at the bottom of the page

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xris:

dilano: and did you boot into that kernel?

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Leebier:

ahhh, there we go

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dilano:

and yes, I'm using the newest kernel

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Leebier:

awesome, thanks :)

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dilano:

did the upgrade before I installed the atrpms, so it automaically boots to the newest

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xris:

Leebier: I actually spent some time writing documentation for .21 :) but basically, I just combined the need for custom apache settings with the .htaccess file.

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xris:

dilano: just have to check...

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dilano:

no prob

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xris:

dilano: so what about it isn't working, then? errors?

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dilano:

thx for trying to at least help

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Leebier:

the old docs were fine, they just seem to be a bit out of date :)

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xris:

Leebier: they were basically up to date. these are just better.

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dilano:

well, when i type the command /sbin/service lircd start nothing comes up to notify me its actually starting

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dilano:

then when I type /usr/bin/irw, I get folder not found.. or something close to that error

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dilano:

one sec and I'll check for exact error

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dilano:

"no such file or drictory"

[02:38:43]

dilano:

mode2 does nothing...., and irrecord goes thorugh the intial dialog, then when ir gets to the keypress section, it times out

[02:39:14]

dilano:

last time I checked on a windows machine, the ir reciever worked perfectly

[02:39:21]

Leebier:

xris- is there a reason not to dump the newer install info into the wiki?

[02:39:25]

dilano:

actually used to for a old old VDR install

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xris:

Leebier: no reason.

[02:40:21]

dilano:

would I be wrong to assume that EVEN if the ir reciever was somehow broken, irw shoudl still run, correct?

[02:40:25]

Leebier:

might result in fewer questions in here, no?

[02:40:45]

dilano:

just not record any data

[02:40:49]

dilano:

no?

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alsoconfused:

dilano: is lircd running?

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xris:

anyway, headed home...

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dilano:

alsoconfused: what woudl the command be to check please?

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alsoconfused:

ps wax|grep lircd

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esquid2:

pgrep lircd?

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dilano:

it shows it up there

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alsoconfused:

dilano: run pgrep lircd (as esquid2 suggested) and make note of the PID (process id)

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Inssomniak:

so for mythvideo, does the video directory that holds the video have to be local to the frontend or an NFS mount?

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dilano:

hmm, nothing shows up

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alsoconfused:

dilano: that means it's not running. the cmd I gave you is a bit confusing. anyway, you need to find out why lircd won't run. look in /var/log/lircd for clues.

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dilano:

ahh, ok, will check

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dilano:

will get back ASAP

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dilano:

thxfor the help so far

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alsoconfused:

ok

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CCFL_Man:

Faithful: all i love linux terminals

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supertux:

you cant watch one channel while recording another?

[03:01:44]

supertux:

or do i need 2 cards for that?

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kormoc:

two cards

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supertux:

damn

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supertux:

that sucks

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kormoc:

or one card with two tuners (pvr 500)

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Leebier:

xres, you sitll here?

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Leebier:

xris- d'oh, i can' spell

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kormoc:

Leebier, no xris here

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** esquid2 introduces /userlist **

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Leebier:

d'oh, didn't see him leave

[03:11:53]

Leebier:

yeah yeah

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esquid2:

hehe :)

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** esquid2 wonders if anyone has ever successfully yum upgraded between fedora releases :-p **

[03:12:38]

Leebier:

so anyone have any idea why i'm getting a 404?

[03:12:47]

esquid2:

leebier: you mess with your apache config?

[03:12:47]

Leebier:

esquid- i'm told it's possible

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kormoc:

Leebier, File not found?

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CCFL_Man:

esquid2: debian is much better

[03:13:01]

Leebier:

yeah, mythweb.php not found

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AdamKili:

is there a command to clear out all programs you've told mythtv to record? something like maybe mythcleardatabase?

[03:13:27]

esquid2:

CCFL_Man: i'm starting to reconsider my distro choice for my mythtv box :(

[03:13:37]

kormoc:

AdamKili, DELETE FROM oldrecorded;

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kormoc:

AdamKili, and DELETE FROM recorded;

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Leebier:

so apache knows to direct to mythweb.php, i have a mythweb.php file in /var/www/html/mythweb

[03:14:00]

kormoc:

well, only if you want to wipe what's on your drive now too

[03:14:03]

Leebier:

so i'm not sure what i'm missing

[03:14:15]

kormoc:

Leebier, and you go to your ip/mythweb/?

[03:14:19]

Leebier:

yep

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esquid2:

leebier: can you get to other stuff in /mythweb/ ?

[03:14:24]

kormoc:

and what's apache's error log say?

[03:14:44]

Leebier:

don't ever mess with apache, where does it keep its log?

[03:15:16]

AdamKili:

kormoc: i mean clear them out so myth won't rocord them again; so that the entry to reord/not record isn't in the system anymore

[03:15:41]

Leebier:

esquid- i haven't tried elsewhere in the mythweb directory, but i can get to /myip/manual so the apache server is running

[03:15:58]

Leebier:

but it isn't finding recordings.php either

[03:16:52]

Leebier:

oh, wait, i think i may be clinically stupid

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kormoc:

AdamKili, uhh, you mean scheduled recordings?

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esquid2:

leebier: you went to Mythweb or something dumb like that huh?

[03:17:31]

AdamKili:

ya I want to remove all scheduled recordings

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Leebier:

hrmm, no

[03:17:57]

Leebier:

nevermind, i think i no long have any idea how the mythweb directory is supposed to look

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kormoc:

AdamKili, DELETE FROM record; DELETE FROM record_tmp;

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Leebier:

so i'm not sure what part looks wrong

[03:19:07]

Leebier:

but i'm missing all the other .php files

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Leebier:

other than mythweb.php

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Leebier:

i.e. no recordings.php anywhere on my HD

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Leebier:

i feel like i must be missing part of the mythweb directory

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Leebier:

ok, there they are in the modules/tv directory

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Leebier:

but 404s on everything

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Leebier:

hrmm, now just a white screen

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Leebier:

i don't think that's necessarily an improvement

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Leebier:

anyone?

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AdamKili:

kormoc: i can't figure out what you mean. I know you can remove programs you've told it to record one by one from the Upcoming Recordings section in the MythTV GUI, but isn't there data files I can just delete to clear out all the Upcoming Recordings?

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alsoconfused:

Leebier: did you read/follow the install docs regarding .htaccess ?

[03:32:13]

Leebier:

yeah, i read through it, though these days there isn't much in .htaccess to be messed with

[03:33:12]

Leebier:

just the db password

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Leebier:

xris, you back?

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Leebier:

i was getting 404's on mythweb.php, and have no improved (destroyed?) the situation so that http://myip/mythweb/ brings up a blank white screen

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alsoconfused:

Leebier: and a bunch of rewrite rules, no?

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Leebier:

also- yes

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kormoc:

AdamKili, that query will delete all recording schedules and thus it won't record anymore

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Leebier:

i tried uncommenting the one for "e.g. not found" to no avail

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xris:

Leebier: check the apache error log

[03:37:17]

Leebier:

xris, where does apache call its log?

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esquid2:

/var/log/httpd/ i think

[03:38:10]

Leebier:

script '/var/www/html/mythweb.php' not found or unable to stat

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kormoc:

did you set the rewrite base correctly?

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xris:

Leebier: and does the file exist there?

[03:39:04]

Leebier:

yep

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AdamKili:

I still don't get it: i tried typing those commands in a terminal and they didn't work (excuse my linux newbieness)

[03:39:07]

Leebier:

xris- yes

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Leebier:

sorry, the yes was inexact :)

[03:39:59]

Leebier:

the RewriteBase is set to /mythweb, which i'm pretty sure is right

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xris:

Leebier: why would you think that if your files are at /var/www?

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xris:

not myip/mythweb/

[03:41:22]

Leebier:

because i'm thinking of relative directories :)

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xris:

mythweb.php != mythweb/

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Leebier:

so i'm confused, even if i change it to /var/www/html/mythweb/, i still get the same problem, or am i fundamentally misunderstanding the line?

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xris:

where is mythweb.php?

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Leebier:

/var/www/html/mythweb/mythweb.php

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xris:

read your apache error again

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xris:

then read the instructions for the <Directory> tag

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Leebier:

gah

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Leebier:

ok, now i'm not as stupid as i think, um, i think

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Leebier:

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Leebier:

is the current setting

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xris:

and the error says?

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esquid2:

i think "/" at the end of the path is not supposed to be there

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Leebier:

xris- the error is without the mythweb/, but there shouldn't be ANYTHING telling it to look w/o the mythweb/

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esquid2:

however if you just put mythweb in /var/www/html you shouldn't have to add a new <Directory> to your httpd.conf

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xris:

Leebier: what happens when you try to access mythweb now? (after apache restart)

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xris:

esquid2: yes, you do, or the redirect is all messed up

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esquid2:

hmm, i have no references to mythweb in my httpd.conf and it all works fine...

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Leebier:

ok, restarting apache worked AFTER i removed the redirect

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Leebier:

(it was looking for /var/www/httpd/mythweb/var/)

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Leebier:

wow, slick new mythweb interface!

[03:50:09]

Leebier:

thx xirs and esquid

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Leebier:

i appreciate the hand holding

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Leebier:

i've learned just enough to be dangrous without actually having any expertise :)

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xris:

Leebier: just wait until you see .21. :)

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Leebier:

ooo, what goodies you have waiting for us?

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xris:

Leebier: I tried to make the new conf as easy as changing that one setting and dropping the apache config into place

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Leebier:

(mind you, the last version i saw was .18)

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Leebier:

xris- nice. it's frustrating because i KNOW that the existing setup i simple, it really is copying two files and editing two lines, but somehow i always mange to screw it up

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xris:

Leebier: even this is a bit out of date, but: http://forevermore.net/files/misc/screenshot.png

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sandeen:

dammit my sound keeps going all choppy after about an hour of watching

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Leebier:

slick

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sandeen:

wish I knew what to look into to diagnose it

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Leebier:

hey, what firefox skin is that?

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xris:

Leebier: no firefox.. just my gnome theme

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xris:

or gtk, rather

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Leebier:

ah

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Leebier:

i have trouble finding legible dark themes

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Leebier:

always am happy to find one

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xris:

you're welcome to a copy if you want

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xris:

http://forevermore.net/files/themes

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Leebier:

alas, now shall start the flaming, my main box is a windows one :)

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Leebier:

as is the one at work

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esquid2:

until i can figure out how to run dvd decryptor on linux i'm in the same boat :)

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xris:

Leebier: all I did is change the OS color set. plenty easy to do that in windows

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jared555:

esquid2, wine/cedega doesn't work?

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xris:

esquid2: mythdvd doesn't work?

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Leebier:

ah, not sure i want to retheme all of windows, will probaby break 25 other programs :)

[03:56:17]

jared555:

that too lol

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esquid2:

ok + dvd shrink. i've never been able to get wine to run them

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xris:

Leebier: just changing colors shouldn't hurt that bad. but I guess it *is* windows.

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jared555:

esquid2, vmware?

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** xris should ponder vmware **

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esquid2:

vmware doesn't seem to like the patched fedora kernels very much

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esquid2:

yes and i know the solution is to use debian :)

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jared555:

or gentoo ;)

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** jared555 is pondering a cluster **

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jared555:

I have too much processor power that I am not using

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jared555:

btw. one of the clusters where process a runs on system a, process b on system b, etc.

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esquid2:

vmware can help you burn those extra bogomips

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jared555:

heh

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jared555:

I don't have enough screens for all my systems, that is part of the problem ;)

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AdamKili:

kormoc: I still don't get it: i tried typing those commands in a terminal (alone, and with myth, mythtv, mythbackend preceeding) and they didn't work (excuse my linux newbieness)

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alsoconfused:

AdamKili: kormoc was giving you commands to type into the 'mysql' program

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esquid2:

wh00ps! :)

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alsoconfused:

start mysql like this: mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg

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AdamKili:

does anyone here know what kormoc what talking about? i think he signed off

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AdamKili:

i had to leave for a little bit

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alsoconfused:

AdamKili: i just told you %^P

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AdamKili:

alsoconfused: sorry i'm on a basic irc client and it doesn't highlight entires with my nickname in it like XChat or other clients do

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AdamKili:

entries*

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esquid2:

speak of the channelop :)

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Inssomniak:

is there an internal player for playing back video files? I used the defaut mplayer but it uhm well I cant stop/ff/rw/anything

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Dr_willis:

keyboard shortcuts dont work?

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Inssomniak:

no

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Inssomniak:

nothing works

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kormoc:

have a window manager?

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Inssomniak:

nope

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kormoc:

you should

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kormoc:

it prevents focus issues like this

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Inssomniak:

I found it hard to configure a window manager to be mostly transparent, to have a system boot right into myth with no keyboard or mouse

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kormoc:

LWM is what I use

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kormoc:

others use evilwm

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esquid2:

inssomniak: i got gnome/metacity to do that easy enough...

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Inssomniak:

gnome is way to heavy for this for me

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esquid2:

meh

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Dr_willis:

may want to try out matchbox :)

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AdamKili:

thank you kormoc and alsoconfused it worked.

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AdamKili:

see you later. thanks again for your time

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Inssomniak:

ok I can use lwm, but I found when I start it, I see "mythfrontend" in the window that gets created, doesnt start FS

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DVBMark:

I think once you start navigating that goes away

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kormoc:

Inssomniak, play a video and it goes away

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Inssomniak:

this isnt gonna work for me

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Inssomniak:

cuts off the bottom of the image too

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kormoc:

huh?

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kormoc:

when you playback?

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kormoc:

you sure you have the frontend set to be full screen?

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Inssomniak:

I see it in the EPG

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Inssomniak:

I use the -nw option?

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kormoc:

I just have mine set to be full screen, and it works

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Inssomniak:

how are ya setting it fullscreen? do you have to do that every time you start mythfrontend?

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kormoc:

nope

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Inssomniak:

there is an option somewhere to set fullscreen?

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kormoc:

in the settings menu in mythfrontend, there's a setting to run myth in a window, I unchecked that

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momelod:

hello, just installed mythtv w/ a pvr-150 card on debian. watching tv has slow playback and same with recordings viewed under mythtv, however playing the same recording with an external player plays perfectly.. what gives?

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Inssomniak:

it is unchecked

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Inssomniak:

but it is still shows a little square with "mythfrontend" beside it

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Inssomniak:

in the upper left corner

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kormoc:

mine goes away as soon as I watch a recording

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Inssomniak:

its not there playing video

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Inssomniak:

but its there for everything else

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kormoc:

huh

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kormoc:

after I play back the video, it's gone in the menus too

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Inssomniak:

not here it isnt, what WM you say you are using?

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kormoc:

LWM 1.2.1

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Inssomniak:

yea thats what Im using

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kormoc:

strange...

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Inssomniak:

not to mention the faint white lines on the left and bottom of the picture

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kormoc:

hrm, I don't get those eather

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kormoc:

well, evilwm is quite common a choice

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Inssomniak:

ill try that one

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** esquid2 out **

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Inssomniak:

it did let mplayer work none the less

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DVBMark:

for what its worth, I tried lwm and once I go into watch tv and come back out it is no longer windowed like that

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Inssomniak:

hmm

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Inssomniak:

evilwm doesnt even seem to load

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Inssomniak:

it says its loaded

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tankerjoe20:

total 0

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tankerjoe20:

0 drw-rw-rw- 2 root root 20 2007-01–08 20:49 .

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tankerjoe20:

0 drw-rw-rw- 3 root root 17 2007-01–08 20:46 ..

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tankerjoe20:

0 -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 2007-01–08 20:49 mtd.log

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sandeen:

create the dir

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sandeen:

?

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sandeen:

oh.

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sandeen:

never mind 1) read 2) respond ;-)

[04:33:28]

tankerjoe20:

;-)

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sandeen:

my package didn't create the dir for me so it couldn't open the log....

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tankerjoe20:

ditto for me, but I tried to create and still got the same... hmmmm

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alsoconfused:

tankerjoe20: the directory should have the 'x' flags showing in the perms

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tankerjoe20:

i acctually created the file too just in case..

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tankerjoe20:

aahhh

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tankerjoe20:

ok

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sandeen:

oh you must be not running it as root eh :)

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AdamKili:

where is the Internet Stream section in MythTV's default Menu Layout?

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tankerjoe20:

alsoconfused: Thanks! that was the ticket... ;-)

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tankerjoe20:

sandeen: nope... lol although I am not above doing that :-)

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alsoconfused:

tankerjoe20: no problem. this is a unix system... i know this!

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sandeen:

hehe yeah I should have noticed that too, but saw mtd.log owned by root so figured it was running as root

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tankerjoe20:

ok... 6 days, ~$800, 7 hrs sleep, and 1 angry wife later I have a mostly working mythtv system hooray for me.

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AdamKili:

i bet she's not angry now that she can use the mythbox you made :)

[04:40:30]

tankerjoe20:

only need to get the IR blaster working and I will be golden...

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kormoc:

AdamKili, there isn't one

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tankerjoe20:

AdamKili: that is the hope :-)

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AdamKili:

kormoc: i thought not. just wanted to double check. is it easy to add that section in? or maybe i shouldn't try since i'm kind of new to linux

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kormoc:

if you're good at c++ and qt coding, might not be too hard

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Inssomniak:

ok fluxbox works perfectly

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Inssomniak:

but dont try to play an mp3 with mplayer, you lose control anyways

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AdamKili:

umm...i've heard of c++ but no idea what qt is so i'll just use the menu layout that has it already. thank you

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kslater:

mythdora has the mythstream stuff included fwiw

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kormoc:

I thought mythstream was broken?

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kslater:

of course you don't get a very good upgrade path but it seems ok to get started with

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kslater:

mythstream streams the video? or mythstream reads the podcasts and internet streams?

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kormoc:

reads the podcasts and internet streams

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kslater:

yea it sorta works

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alsoconfused:

i had no luck getting it going :(

[04:45:04]

kslater:

I can play back some streams, it's far from good

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Hoondie:

Does anyone know what 'Time Stretch Default' is when recording a show from mythweb

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kslater:

Hoondie are you familiar with Time Stretch in myth?

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Hoondie:

Nope

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kslater:

ok. during playback you can playback at a fractional speed over 1x

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Hoondie:

ah i got ya

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kslater:

I always figured it was doing the same thing but during the recording

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Hoondie:

so you can make a recording play like the chipmonks?

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Inssomniak:

is it normal behaviour that when you are in the EPG you cant type in a channel number and have the EPG move to it?

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kslater:

never used it myself

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alsoconfused:

Hoondie: no chipmunks, it compensates for speed by changing pitch

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Hoondie:

haha.. ok, well, i understand at least :)

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alsoconfused:

it's a great feature. i wish mplayer had it

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Hoondie:

Well, my first recording is scheduled for tonight :) just set the thing up.. looks promising.. hope the TV comercial detection works good

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kslater:

works great on some shows for me

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kslater:

like jeapordy

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Hoondie:

does it ever chop out the actual show itself?

[04:50:15]

kslater:

or how ever you spell that word

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kslater:

oh sure, but there's a key on the remote to just jump back

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Hoondie:

i'll be using the XBMC frontend

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kslater:

it just marks the commercials and uses that to skip over them

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Hoondie:

ah ok

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Hoondie:

thought it stopped recording..

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kslater:

good eats commercial skip works absolutely perfect

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Hoondie:

anyone using the XBMC frontend?

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kslater:

battlestar galactica – not so much, although I only use the default detection method

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kslater:

ivor – you out there?

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kslater:

well time to turn out the lights

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adam:

anyone using a rage128 pro with myth?

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Malibyte:

anyone here using a pchdtv-5500?

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cesman:

Malibyte: yes

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DVBMark:

anyone using opengl-vsync with nvidia?

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schtinky_:

what do I do?

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kormoc:

schtinky, write udev rules?

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kormoc:

DVBMark, I do

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xris:

adam: the AIW stuff is a huge pain in the neck.

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xris:

at best, it will be flaky

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Inssomniak:

so is anyone successfully using opengl vsync with standard XV output and have it working?

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DVBMark:

kormoc, mind sharing any insight what options I should be enabling. I am getting timeouts while wating for buffer, will have to look again for the exact error

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kormoc:

Inssomniak, mine works

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DVBMark:

what version nvidia drivers?

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kormoc:

Inssomniak, tho, I tend to use XvMC

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Inssomniak:

2 completely different systems do not work with opengl vsync

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Inssomniak:

first frame or so, then frozen

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DVBMark:

I am getting NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers in my log

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kormoc:

DVBMark, 9631

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schtinky_:

thanks kormoc

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DVBMark:

xvmc I actually got video but lots of a/v sync in the log and stutters from hell

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kormoc:

9742 and 9746 didn't work

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DVBMark:

ahh heh

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DVBMark:

using 9746 myself

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Inssomniak:

8774 dont work either

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DVBMark:

so think it is a specefic version thing?

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kormoc:

might be

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DVBMark:

why do they mess it up heh

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kormoc:

worth a try at least

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kormoc:

heh, they are rather complicated things :P

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DVBMark:

will downgrade ya, thanks, while you are here though, you are doing opengl-vsync and xvmc and xvmc-opengl on configure?

[05:28:12]

kormoc:

aye

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DVBMark:

k let me try grabbing that version, thanks

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tankerjoe20:

does anyone know if it matters which ttf to use for ~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf ? or will any old true type font do?

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kormoc:

tankerjoe20, pick one that you like how it looks

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** Malibyte is in the process of downgrading back to 8774. 9746 caused mythweb to crash if "backend status" ran **

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Inssomniak:

apparently I cant spell either

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tankerjoe20:

errr dvd import..

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Inssomniak:

LiveTV forcing JumpTo 1 spamming log, stops live TV, no one else has this problem? several times a day at the top or the bottom of the hour?

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tankerjoe20:

Ok, this is wierd.. I can watch the dvd in the drive just fine, and when I go to import dvd, it reads the length/name/etc correctly. But when I press 0, no worky. It just jumps out to the jobs page. "No jobs and nothing else to do." hmmm maybe there is something wrong with my transcode profiles...

[05:51:09]

sysrq:

or the directory path it wants to rip things to

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sysrq:

check your log file(s)

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DVBMark:

Sorry Inssomniak same issue heh, kormoc you still around?

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DVBMark:

I am getting Frame Number Query reported error: Bad Context

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DVBMark:

First A/V Sync reported error: Bad Context

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DVBMark:

same on Second

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tankerjoe20:

nothing in the log from mythfrontend... but I think you are probably correct... let me check it out. thanks ;-)

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DVBMark:

all that keeps repeating while doing xvmc with opengl

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DVBMark:

wondering if some of my probs aren't current svn

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madd_matt:

does anybody else get a very long startup time for mythTV? I've had it take almost a minute since I upgraded to .20 — much longer than before. Ocassionally it will hang in the menus too

[06:01:57]

DVBMark:

can't say that I do, sorry

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DVBMark:

it starts up pretty quick

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tankerjoe20:

sysrq: Thanks again, that was indeed the problem, though interesting that there were no log messages for it.

[06:02:35]

tankerjoe20:

madd_matt: pretty quick here too.

[06:02:36]

DVBMark:

kormoc, what version of it all are you using, I assume svn but you remember the release? or have any other ideas to check

[06:02:59]

madd_matt:

What version of mysql are you using? I'm wondering if that could be a bottleneck....

[06:03:25]

DVBMark:

5.0.30–3

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tankerjoe20:

5.0.26

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sysrq:

tankerjoe20: I'm pretty sure there are error messages, I had the same problem and I know I found the issue out via logs from somewhere

[06:07:35]

tankerjoe20:

sysrq: interesting, is there a default log level? verbosity?

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sysrq:

no idea

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sysrq:

it might have been in the uh mtd log

[06:08:23]

tankerjoe20:

...

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tankerjoe20:

...

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tankerjoe20:

;-)

[06:09:53]

tankerjoe20:

you mean like this "bad destination directory in job request:"?

[06:10:05]

** tankerjoe20 is glad he didn't argue the point. **

[06:16:33]

defaultro:

evening folks

[06:16:58]

defaultro:

i noticed I have mytharchive. Can I use it to convert recordings into dvd?

[06:19:15]

DVBMark:

haven't ever used it yet myself, but I do believe that is its sole purpose in life

[06:24:13]

Malibyte:

one more time...anyone here have a pcHDTV 5500 card? Have a couple of ?s

[06:25:28]

alsoconfused:

defaultro: it seems to work pretty well, although mplayer had problems playing one of the .isos i made with it

[06:25:54]

_LM_:

Hi, a quick question: Which backend decides on when to start a scheduled recording on a remote backend? The master or the one with card?

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kormoc:

_LM_, the master

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_LM_:

ok, thanks, so the clock on the remote one is not used at all in scheduling?

[06:27:13]

kormoc:

well, it likely is

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kormoc:

the master decides who's recording when

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kormoc:

but the remote backend decides on when it is time

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Jack3:

hey

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defaultro:

hey kormoc

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Jack3:

do any of you know a vnc server for x11vnc

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kormoc:

mornin'

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kormoc:

Jack3, tightvnc?

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_LM_:

ok, i'm trying to figure out the best way to put a backend in a different timezone :-)

[06:28:13]

defaultro:

kormoc, i've never use mytharchive. Can we use it for converting a recording to mythtv?

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kormoc:

defaultro, nope, it's used to convert recordings to dvds

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defaultro:

oh, sorry

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defaultro:

wrong question, hehehee

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kormoc:

Jack3, well, x11vnc is a vnc server all it's own

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DVBMark:

kormoc don't suppose you would mind sharing your xorg.conf settings, still fighting this

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defaultro:

i said mythtv, i should have said dvd :)

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kormoc:

DVBMark, https://www.kormoc.com/stuff/xorg.conf/xorg.conf.tv

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defaultro:

have you tried converting a 1280x720 recording to dvd using that tool?

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DVBMark:

heh been asked that a few times ehh lol

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kormoc:

nope, I've never used it

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

or is nuvexport better?

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kormoc:

DVBMark, heh, I have a collection in https://www.kormoc.com/stuff/xorg.conf/

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kormoc:

defaultro, can't say

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DVBMark:

lol

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kormoc:

defaultro, you should try it and see

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defaultro:

k

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Jack3:

kormoc

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Jack3:

i have that in the newest build of knoppmyth

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Jack3:

but they changed how its setup so i cant figure it out

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Jack3:

nevermind i got it

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DVBMark:

kormoc: what deinterlacer do you use?

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kormoc:

none, I output to a tv

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DVBMark:

ahh true

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DVBMark:

k

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DVBMark:

hmm

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tcpsyn_:

gentlemen

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tcpsyn_:

xris, you around?

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DVBMark:

well the pic looks real good lmao just jumps around all ove rthe place and get tons of a/v sync message in the log

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xris:

tcpsyn_: just leaving, sorry.

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tcpsyn_:

word.

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tcpsyn_:

maybe someone else has an idea... I'd like to allow limited priviledges on mythweb so choice people can use mythstreamtv

[06:48:32]

tcpsyn_:

but I don't want them to be able to edit my recording schedule.

[06:48:42]

tcpsyn_:

anyone know how I can pull that off?

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kormoc:

can't right now. you could code in support tho

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tcpsyn_:

not sure how I could code it. I was thinking htaccess

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kormoc:

tcpsyn_, htaccess doesn't allow that sort of granularity

[06:58:44]

** Captain_Murdoch wonders why none of these forum advocates have setup a for-sale forum. **

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tcpsyn_:

ebay tbh.

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, but some things it's easier to sell to a Myth user. :)

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kormoc:

Captain_Murdoch, but you can get new people hooked on ebay! http://cgi.ebay.com/MythTV-Digital-Video-Soft . . . cmdZViewItem

[07:01:50]

tcpsyn_:

it works, and it works good

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Jack3:

tell me somenoe uses irblaster.sh

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Jack3:

also

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Jack3:

how can i install konqueror on here

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Jack3:

i tried apt-get install konqueror but it cant find it

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alsoconfused:

Jack3: it's part of the base kde package

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Jack3:

how might i install that

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Jack3:

apt-get install kde?

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alsoconfused:

not sure what it's called on your distro

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Jack3:

fuck it cant find KDE

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Jack3:

im using knoppmyth

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tcpsyn_:

kde3?

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tcpsyn_:

apt-get install kdebase

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Jack3:

cant find that

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Jack3:

maybe i need better sources

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tcpsyn_:

I think kde has their own apt repository

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RatRod666:

emerge kde

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CCFL_Man:

i don't like kde :p

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Jack3:

i just want konqueror

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CCFL_Man:

most kde stuff is really bloated

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CCFL_Man:

i love xfce4 :p

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Jack3:

wait

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Jack3:

how do i reconfigure knoppmyth

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alsoconfused:

Jack3: isn't knoppix kde based anyway

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alsoconfused:

knoppmyth i mean

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Jack3:

i missed the script on startup that does it

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Jack3:

no its fluxbox

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[08:02:02]

juski:

morning

[08:03:24]

hads:

Heh I can't believe it took me that long to figure out why I was getting frame tearing. Nvidia defaults to NTSC TV out and my input is PAL. Duh.

[08:04:04]

juski:

Option "TVStandard" "PAL"

[08:04:09]

juski:

IIRC :)

[08:04:16]

hads:

Yeah, PAL-B

[08:04:23]

hads:

or PAL-*

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hads:

It's better now, still not perfect.

[08:05:09]

hads:

Got RTC working too, needed a higher max-user-freq

[08:05:38]

hads:

That may have made a slight difference although I can't say for sure.

[08:10:33]

hads:

Actually I spoke too soon, the TV out format doesn't seem to have helped much.

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juski:

hads: what about setting the vertical refresh to 50hz in xorg.conf?

[08:13:19]

lowone:

juski what time zone are you in? (if you dont mind my asking)

[08:13:25]

juski:

GB

[08:13:40]

hads:

juski: Yeah, I have that in there too for good measure.

[08:14:25]

juski:

I need to design an IDE caddy tester. I think something that detects a break in a circuit with a latching alarm will do the job

[08:16:07]

hads:

Deinterlacing appears to help a little for some reason.

[08:16:40]

juski:

hads: if you're using a nvidia card why not open nvidia-settings & experiment with the flicker filter?

[08:16:51]

juski:

I found that it did away with the need to deinterlace!

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[Jasper]:

good morning

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hads:

juski: Cheers, I'll have a look into that.

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psm321:

hi

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juski:

gah i need to reboot. stoopid windows

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ivor:

heh

[08:27:14]

ivor:

imagine if you had windows on your phone....

[08:27:42]

ivor:

(have to hard reset my phone every couple of days)

[08:27:46]

hads:

Ug

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psm321:

are there any problems i should anticipate with running a fresh install of mythtv (and the whole system) with a copy of an old database?

[08:28:02]

ivor:

psm321: not really

[08:28:13]

psm321:

ok

[08:28:14]

psm321:

thanks

[08:28:19]

ivor:

myth will upgrade the database when it starts

[08:28:24]

hads:

It's dissapointing that Windows has moved in on the phone market.

[08:28:43]

hads:

It means a whole lot of phones I have to avoid :)

[08:28:53]

ivor:

hads: it's a terrible realtime os.

[08:28:54]

psm321:

now i just need to figure out if i can move a mysql database with just the files (the install that its on is unbootable)

[08:29:08]

kormoc:

psm321, usually, aye

[08:29:17]

lowone:

ohhh so hotness flicker gone!! (changed default to 720x480.. was last bug i kept searching for on the pvr500)

[08:29:27]

kormoc:

psm321, you'd want to run mysql repair on them before starting up the database to make sure they're happy

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psm321:

ok

[08:30:03]

ivor:

hads: if multiple events happen at the same time... it has a habit of locking up solid!

[08:30:33]

hads:

Ug, I'm glad I know nothing about it :)

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kormoc:

psm321, well, that actually depends on the database format, myisam you'll want to use myisamcheck -r, innodb, I don't think there are any external repair tools for the job

[08:31:02]

juski:

saving my settings. ffs. no hdd activity so other than reporting every keypress to microsoft what the hell is it doing?

[08:31:04]

psm321:

should i stick with mysql 4 for now (what i had before) to avoid problems? (since i read that even just upgrading to 5 was tricky i dont know if it would by happy with mysql4 files)

[08:31:35]

kormoc:

psm321, yeah, stick with the exact same version of 4 till you're sure the db transfered over correctly

[08:31:44]

psm321:

k

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kormoc:

then you can backup and then upgrade if you want

[08:32:16]

ivor:

juski: lots of sleeps... the os assumes that it has fucked up if files/handles aren't closed at shutdown

[08:32:35]

juski:

lol

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psm321:

is there any way to figure out the database format? (its probably the default, i dont remember changing anything)

[08:32:38]

ivor:

so it goes into a loop repeatedly killing processes and sleeping

[08:32:45]

ivor:

just in case

[08:32:52]

juski:

so vista is basically a UI overhaul & they've taken out the sleeps

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kormoc:

psm321, just count on it being myisam, it'll throw a error and no do anything if it's not myisam

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ivor:

no... I think the sleeps are still there. :)

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psm321:

kormoc: ok, thanks so much for your help

[08:33:45]

kormoc:

you're quite welcome

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ivor:

juski: you missed my rant about windows mobile while you were rebooting

[08:34:08]

juski:

I'm in screen now, so no missing anything :)

[08:34:51]

ivor:

That's one ting I haven't worked out on this phone...

[08:34:57]

juski:

was gonna bring my s100 in to work today to play with but it's getting near show-time here again & it'd be a bit conspicuous

[08:35:08]

ivor:

how to map keys to scroll back in irssi.

[08:35:28]

juski:

I have one of them old fashioned mobiles that makes phonecalls

[08:35:33]

juski:

;)

[08:35:36]

ivor:

no way to put a work related spin on it?

[08:36:03]

juski:

ivor: learning how to make a build environment & spinning my own distro? hmmm

[08:36:35]

ivor:

ooh I reckon you could merge those two.

[08:36:54]

ivor:

call it research

[08:36:58]

juski:

actually I'm gonna take zenslack to bits & use it as a base to build mythtv on

[08:38:29]

juski:

so it'll end up being zenslack but without the dodgy stuff inside :)

[08:38:39]

juski:

and it'll have a recent version of -fixes

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ivor:

this a full featured distro? or a 'mini' frontend dist?

[08:40:26]

juski:

only mythfrontend & some plugins

[08:40:40]

juski:

mostly for personal consumption

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CCFL_Man:

myth tv using a framebuffer, and advantage of it using a video driver?

[08:41:39]

juski:

normally I'd just have used zenslack with the mythtv 'plugin' but it's got dodgy software in it. And it's not redistributable like that

[08:42:34]

juski:

mythtv doesn't use a framebuffer.. last time I looked it needed X. AFAIK it used to work with a framebuffer but that got broke a while ago

[08:42:49]

CCFL_Man:

myth frontend anyway

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CCFL_Man:

ahh

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kormoc:

speaking English helps communication

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juski:

anyway using video drivers gets you the advantage of the video hardware doing scaling & colour-space conversion

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juski:

Xv

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kormoc:

as well as better tv out filters (Nvidia's flicker free)

[08:44:08]

CCFL_Man:

juski: well, i want to try to run it on an intel pxa system

[08:44:30]

juski:

pxa?

[08:44:50]

CCFL_Man:

embedded arm cpu

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juski:

how fast is it?

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CCFL_Man:

400mhz

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kormoc:

200 to 400 mhz is platform specs

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juski:

jeses

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juski:

good luck with that. oh it's not just luck you'

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juski:

need

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kormoc:

16 bit memory addressing iirc

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CCFL_Man:

lol

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CCFL_Man:

kormoc: i want to use the linksys wma11b

[08:46:16]

kormoc:

CCFL_Man, how much ram do you have on the thing?

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juski:

geexbox might be much more suitable

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juski:

actually I was gonna try geexbox's upnp & see if it talks to mythtv properly :)

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CCFL_Man:

kormoc: 16mb

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kormoc:

I was certian that the PXA only could address 32 megs or so of ram

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** kormoc laughs **

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juski:

in which case geexbox would be more suitable but I think 32MB is pushing it too far

[08:47:26]

kormoc:

CCFL_Man, my frontend with a light theme is using around 208 megs of ram

[08:47:47]

CCFL_Man:

well, xbox is loud, fan and hard drive

[08:47:53]

juski:

and FUGLY

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CCFL_Man:

sucks

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kormoc:

CCFL_Man, yet alone the 80 megs of disk space to just hold myth and it's themes

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juski:

and the xbox only has 32MB of usable RAM

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juski:

hrm XBMC has UpNP too i think

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kormoc:

juski, gotta remember, that 16 megs of ram that device has is also all it can store locally, no hard drive

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CCFL_Man:

kormoc: i'm going to use nfs boot or something

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Bogus8:

is there any xbox frontends that work with .20 backend?

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juski:

CCFL_Man: look into geexbox & forget about mythfrontend on it

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juski:

Bogus8: XBMCmythtv

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kormoc:

CCFL_Man, still gonna be too little and too slow in my opinion

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CCFL_Man:

yeah, i forget how big it's ram drive is

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Bogus8:

juski: cool, last time I looked I was running .18 and nothing would connect to anything past .17

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CCFL_Man:

kormoc: you could be right

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kormoc:

CCFL_Man, with the 16 bit memory addressing at 400 mhz, you're looking at much more costly mpeg-2 decoding then a more modern processor

[08:49:51]

CCFL_Man:

kormoc: yeah

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CCFL_Man:

i never realized it used 16 bit addressing

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CCFL_Man:

it'll choke on mpeg2

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juski:

CCFL_Man: maybe if a networked media player which uses linux comes along...

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CCFL_Man:

hopefully it has a set of pads to upgrade the ram

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juski:

CCFL_Man: its memory logic might not even support more ram

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kormoc:

"Max addressable memory: 32M"

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juski:

see

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CCFL_Man:

juski: there are many out there, some use windows ce

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CCFL_Man:

max is 32mb, so maybe there will be bads

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CCFL_Man:

pads

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juski:

CCFL_Man: might be easy to undo that :)

[08:53:08]

juski:

my s100 came with windows CE

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juski:

actually it's quite a spiffy platform

[08:53:08]

juski:

but then so is the MSNTV2

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juski:

CCFL_Man: you've really not done much research have you? ;)

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juski:

there are much more suitable platforms already out there man

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CCFL_Man:

the linksys media center extender uses an ati xilleon SoC with windows embedded

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CCFL_Man:

msntv2 is a great platform too

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juski:

CCFL_Man: prolly only plays wmv though

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CCFL_Man:

kormoc: seems decent

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juski:

think of the kudos of hacking a MCE extender though ;)

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kormoc:

CCFL_Man, at 60 htz, that gives you a max res of 1280x1024 for just pure move across the processor

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CCFL_Man:

juski: it can play anything, you replace the stock windows embedded with linux

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kormoc:

CCFL_Man, but that is zero decoding / scaling

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CCFL_Man:

kormoc: tv out only :p

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kormoc:

you *might* be able to squeeze out something, but I doubt the full 60 htz... maybe 30 htz at sd res

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kormoc:

assuming you have a fully arm accelerated decoder lib to use

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CCFL_Man:

it only has tv out, so i think it'll work

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Bogus8:

is there a way to change your resolution on the fly on the console?

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juski:

Bogus8: not without restarting X, no

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kormoc:

Bogus8, randr

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juski:

or that

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juski:

oops

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Bogus8:

juski: no FOR the console.. I'm not in X right now

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kormoc:

Bogus8, no, you'll need to define it in your grub/lilo conf and reboot

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CCFL_Man:

juski: you can use s100 firmware on the msntv2

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Bogus8:

kormoc: hate to be a pest but what are the vga= codes?

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Bogus8:

for like 1024x768

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juski:

CCFL_Man: really?

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hads:

771 is 1024x788 from memory

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Bogus8:

I'm just stuck in console right now and surfing with lynx isn't that practical with today's sites

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hads:

something like that anywayy

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juski:

heh

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Bogus8:

hads: thanks, I'll give that a go

[08:59:25]

Bogus8:

I couldn't even remember that it was in the 700's ;)

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kormoc:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Framebuffer:Boot . . . ootsplash.21

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Bogus8:

kormoc: excellent

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kormoc:

scroll down to Kernel mode numbers

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kormoc:

and convert in google

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Bogus8:

haha... I just realized I don't even have mouse support yet ;)

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kormoc:

http://www.google.com/search?q=0x305+in+decimal

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kormoc:

example convert

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Bogus8:

kormoc: easier said than done with lynx and no copy paste ability ;)

[09:06:14]

Bogus8:

791 worked like a charm.... I can see! ;)

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kormoc:

welp, I'm out

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juski:

morning stuarta

[09:22:27]

stuarta:

morning juski

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stuarta:

20–20 cricket this morning, currently underway in Sydney

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stuarta:

aus 123/3

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jduggan:

pfft, cricket :|

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** stuarta does the "we've got the Ashes" dance **

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LLyric:

heheh

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qu0zl:

do the 5–0 dance stuarta , it's much funnier!

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Merlin83b2:

How about the "Lost 4 of our best players" dance? :-P

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** stuarta does the "we won 5–0" dance **

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qu0zl:

:)

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** stuarta does the "we lost 4 of our best players, but we can still beat you" dance **

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Merlin83b:

We'll see in 2009 :)

[09:57:58]

stuarta:

Indeed. Now where do i sign up for tickets.....?

[09:58:15]

Merlin83b:

Yeah, will go see at least one test. Not playing Old Trafford :(

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Merlin83b:

I've been to tests there every summer for years :(

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LLyric:

Anyone else get it?

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tcpsyn_:

Gentlemen.

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tcpsyn_:

Anyone know if mythrename.pl can be undone?

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tcpsyn_:

nevermind, I found it

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juski:

LLyric: actually I did. but you can't have it because file sharing would make me a terrorist

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rsdvd:

juski : thanks for that site yesterday

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juski:

rsdvd: it's back & slightly updated at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/s100/

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juski:

I need to find the info for changing the status of the front panel LED (yeah it's only one) cos the flashy flashy gets annoying after a while

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juski:

I did it once – you squirt some chars to a port

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rsdvd:

sounds good.......althought I hate the t-online LED on the front

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juski:

need to cut my teeth in plastic modding

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juski:

go ballistic with plastic padding :-D

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rsdvd:

lol....what are you going to mod?

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rsdvd:

nice........I don't think I will bother with mine (at least to start) I rarely use DVDs, instead I just rip them to HDD

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rsdvd:

did you add a HDD to the s100? or do you mount everything nfs and just use the internal 'drive on module' for the bootstrap?

[11:21:23]

juski:

I broke the IDE port on one of the s100s of mine

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rsdvd:

how did you do that?

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juski:

tried using a different DoM & fried it

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rsdvd:

ouch

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juski:

still works with ATAPI devices though

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juski:

good for USB booting aswell ;)

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juski:

plus it's not beyond me to make the USB stick internal

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rsdvd:

so I cold boot from a USB stick/key?

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juski:

course you can

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rsdvd:

I have not got round to building the VGA header yet so I didn;t know what options the BIOS had

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rsdvd:

so the only MOd you really need is the VGA header? everything else you can do through the USB (keyb/mouse/DVD) ?

[11:25:27]

juski:

same as any modern PC BIOS apart from the peculiarity

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rsdvd:

peculiarity?

[11:25:55]

juski:

that if the boot device you've set it to boot from moves or vanishes... it resets to some weird defaults

[11:26:05]

rsdvd:

ok

[11:26:10]

juski:

see my updated site ;)

[11:26:32]

juski:

FYI I now have zenslack & the 0.20 mythtv 'plugin'

[11:26:43]

juski:

gonna rejig it a bit to remove the dodgy shite out of it

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frink_:

Hey juski

[11:26:55]

juski:

hey frink_

[11:27:04]

frink_:

Did 0.21 come out?

[11:27:12]

rsdvd:

pardon the ignorance – what is zenslack?

[11:27:47]

juski:

frink_: check the channel topic

[11:27:48]

juski:

ffs

[11:28:16]

juski:

rsdvd: zenslack is a mini distro based on slack which works on the s100 :)

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frink_:

I am sure somebody yesterday mentioned 0.21 – Oh well, I was prob imagining it..

[11:28:45]

stuarta:

yep

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rsdvd:

cool......when I get up inthe loft (where my office is) I will get to work on the VGA header. Then I can start playing :-)

[11:29:10]

juski:

frink_: wait for mythtv.org to vanish under the load of slashdot & digg traffic. then you'll know

[11:29:28]

stuarta:

afaik, it's not even close atm

[11:29:29]

juski:

"awesome"

[11:29:33]

juski:

"awesome"

[11:29:36]

juski:

"yeah, awesome"

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rsdvd:

did you permanently fix the VGA header? or just have it hanging out the case while you loaded the OS?

[11:29:50]

juski:

rsdvd: made it permanent

[11:29:59]

juski:

see the photo ;)

[11:31:01]

rsdvd:

I did ot see any photos with a VGA on them

[11:31:30]

juski:

haha

[11:31:32]

juski:

oops

[11:31:41]

rsdvd:

:-)

[11:31:48]

juski:

could've sworn I had one

[11:31:59]

Blaksmith:

where the fuck is the 80 usage being taken up?

[11:32:24]

stuarta:

du -k ?

[11:33:03]

Blaksmith:

du -k

[11:33:04]

Blaksmith:

15985628 ./MythTV

[11:33:04]

Blaksmith:

18790724 .

[11:33:22]

Blaksmith:

dev/hdb3 112G 98G 8.2G 93% /pub

[11:33:34]

rsdvd:

how did you cut the back panel for the VGA D-Sub?

[11:33:38]

Blaksmith:

where the hell is the space?

[11:33:38]

stuarta:

du -k /pub

[11:33:49]

juski:

rsdvd: dremel dremel dremel dremel dremel :)

[11:33:50]

stuarta:

my guess is lost+found

[11:33:55]

Blaksmith:

du -k /pub

[11:33:55]

Blaksmith:

16026900 /pub/MythTV

[11:33:55]

Blaksmith:

18831996 /pub

[11:34:00]

juski:

rsdvd: took the board out first

[11:34:12]

stuarta:

df -i /pub

[11:34:15]

juski:

had to do that to add the pci socket & the 2nd IDE port

[11:34:22]

rsdvd:

lol......I wish I haad one......might go out and buy one – but it makes this expensive

[11:34:35]

Beirdo:

so I got all the parts for my IR transmitter yesterday... but need more parts to do the receiver side

[11:40:56]

juski:

rsdvd – you don't need a dremel – just a drill & some needle files

[11:40:57]

Blaksmith:

haha

[11:40:58]

frink_:

wow high load avg...

[11:41:01]

Beirdo:

nautilus is 95M into swap

[11:41:11]

** Beirdo bitch-slaps gnome **

[11:41:22]

Blaksmith:

that's a medium load.. by the end of the record, I'm friggin sky high..

[11:41:36]

Beirdo:

you must have a software encoder :)

[11:41:41]

Blaksmith:

2.6g celly (yes, I know, a shitty cpu)

[11:42:07]

Blaksmith:

I have hardware encoder turned on with my Haup 150

[11:42:08]

Beirdo:

and evince is 127M into swap?!

[11:42:10]

Beirdo:

damn

[11:42:24]

stuarta:

i've seen worse load averages (like 1000)

[11:42:32]

Beirdo:

how do you get such high load avg from that? must be a busy machine otherwise

[11:43:10]

qu0zl:

Blaksmith, something is broken then unless you' also use your pvr as a desktop or some such?

[11:43:12]

Beirdo:

could barely notice. Gotta love Sun hardware running Solaris

[11:43:14]

stuarta:

this was a mail server too :)

[11:43:26]

Blaksmith:

yes, my pvr is my desktop

[11:43:32]

rsdvd:

juski : I could probably do it with needle files – but it would never be neat

[11:43:43]

Beirdo:

qu0zl, is it you that has an IR circuit somewhere on the web?

[11:43:43]

stuarta:

shitting ide based hardware doing server work. pah!

[11:43:47]

Blaksmith:

I need to upgrade my desktop *nix box

[11:43:49]

qu0zl:

nope Beirdo

[11:43:54]

Beirdo:

heh, OK

[11:44:00]

qu0zl:

there's another quozl though, an australian one

[11:44:02]

Blaksmith:

and retire this one to be just the FS and Myth

[11:44:08]

juski:

rsdvd: doesn't matter – it's at the back, and the bezel of the connector covers many sins

[11:44:09]

Beirdo:

that musta been the one :)

[11:44:16]

rsdvd:

lol

[11:44:49]

Beirdo:

so hopefully will do another radio shack trip later today

[11:45:04]

** Blaksmith cringes at rat shack **

[11:45:09]

Beirdo:

my brother-in-law might be coming over for home-made cheesecake... wheels...

[11:45:37]

Beirdo:

yeah, well... in Puerto Rico, I have yet to find a component shop, so Rat Shack will have to do for now

[11:45:50]

Blaksmith:

ahhh ok.. understandable then

[11:46:02]

Blaksmith:

didn't realize you were in PR

[11:46:13]

Beirdo:

bloated prices, but such is life when you want instant gratification

[11:46:19]

Blaksmith:

that's probably the best place you can go there

[11:46:35]

Beirdo:

I shoulda just ordered from Digikey

[11:46:58]

** Blaksmith is still proud of his home-made IR Blaster :) **

[11:47:09]

Beirdo:

:)

[11:47:13]

tcpsyn_:

I might try to make a reciever

[11:47:15]

rsdvd:

juski : did you ever manage to find a way to increase the memory in these boxes?

[11:47:17]

Beirdo:

mine will be custom

[11:47:28]

juski:

rsdvd: no need to

[11:47:33]

juski:

128MB is enough

[11:47:38]

Blaksmith:

2 diodes. :) 4148 for protection, 30' cable, IR diode, and a female 9 pin connector

[11:47:46]

Beirdo:

it's a blending of the one from iguanasoft and a receiver from elsewhere

[11:47:48]

Blaksmith:

works my PanSat 3500 box like a charm :)

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Beirdo:

total of 4 transistors, 4 diodes, 4 capacitors, etc

[11:48:13]

rsdvd:

I was reading your posts on the mini-myth site where you thought you might have to to get the plugings to work

[11:48:28]

Beirdo:

plus the IR diode and an IR receiver module, 7805...

[11:48:52]

Blaksmith:

I probably could have made an amp and had a 5' cord, but hell, if it works at 30' dangling in front of the stb, I'm happy

[11:48:57]

Beirdo:

but circuitry isn't hard for me, I took electrical engineering... graduated... 10 years ago. Holy hell

[11:49:15]

Blaksmith:

hehe 15 here!

[11:49:28]

** Blaksmith turns the big 4 0 next year.. UGH **

[11:49:30]

stuarta:

12 for me

[11:49:33]

Beirdo:

heh :)

[11:49:45]

Beirdo:

most of the designs out there are NOT idiot-proof

[11:49:45]

stuarta:

welcome to the old farts collective

[11:49:53]

Blaksmith:

haha

[11:50:09]

Blaksmith:

and drunk at 3:50am.. and need to get up in the morning

[11:50:11]

Beirdo:

like some with 7805 with no diode before them, so the -10V would have been applied to the input

[11:50:12]

juski:

rsdvd: eh?

[11:50:22]

Beirdo:

7805s HATE that. ka-BLAM

[11:50:24]

Blaksmith:

90% of the time I can work at home, but tomorrow, I gotta go into the shop :(

[11:50:54]

** stuarta aspires to working from home **

[11:51:03]

Blaksmith:

<-- firmware programer by trade

[11:51:12]

Beirdo:

as the RTS line *can* be -5 to -15V, putting a diode in there to limit it to only +5 to +15V is smart

[11:51:14]

juski:

rename c:flsh.cof c:inflsh.cof

[11:51:20]

Beirdo:

I used to do that too, Blaksmith

[11:51:21]

juski:

bum

[11:51:23]

stuarta:

nice quiet dark corner for you then

[11:51:37]

Beirdo:

then got laid off a few too many times, switched to system admin

[11:51:49]

Blaksmith:

current project... DC Gen Controller to replace the Murphy controller

[11:51:56]

Beirdo:

then moved to a foreign country (PR – AKA USA)

[11:51:57]

Beirdo:

heh

[11:51:59]

Blaksmith:

90% done.. we are in the testing stages now

[11:52:06]

Beirdo:

so I'm unemployed completely right now

[11:52:24]

Blaksmith:

ouch.. that sux Beirdo

[11:52:33]

Beirdo:

nah, it's life

[11:52:52]

Beirdo:

waiting for the work permit (got married down here), then I should be workin again soon

[11:53:01]

Blaksmith:

I still need to re-do the menu commands, but the innards of the controller are working like they should

[11:53:10]

Beirdo:

that's cool

[11:53:29]

Blaksmith:

damn, can't work till the work permit comes through? how long does that take?

[11:53:42]

Beirdo:

I did an ADSL DSLAM line card, a 16-E1 card, etc in the past. all the firmware

[11:53:53]

Beirdo:

it should be a couple months more

[11:53:59]

Blaksmith:

ahh telcom

[11:54:03]

Beirdo:

hard to say

[11:54:07]

Beirdo:

yeah, mostly telecom

[11:54:13]

stuarta:

can't do any telecommuting to CA Beirdo ???

[11:54:19]

Beirdo:

not legally :)

[11:54:24]

juski:

rsdvd: yeah well... que sera

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rsdvd:

lol

[11:54:29]

Blaksmith:

lol

[11:54:31]

juski:

mythmusic & mythvideo are ok

[11:54:36]

** stuarta mumbles something about foreign orders **

[11:54:38]

Beirdo:

and one doesn't mess with the dept of homeland obscurity

[11:54:59]

Beirdo:

I'm not giving them any excuse to deport my sorry ass

[11:55:05]

rsdvd:

they are the most obvious ones

[11:55:11]

Blaksmith:

the first 5k orders for this controller are going to be installed in Africa for AfricaTel

[11:55:12]

juski:

load flsh.cof

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juski:

bum!

[11:55:20]

juski:

Ewrongwindow

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Blaksmith:

and we are 3 months behind so far :(

[11:55:38]

Beirdo:

Blaksmith, nothing outta the ordinary there

[11:55:48]

Beirdo:

just get it right, don't ship non-working shite

[11:55:54]

Blaksmith:

but, at least we will be able to ship the first one next month

[11:55:55]

Beirdo:

:)

[11:56:03]

juski:

doesn't stop our company

[11:56:04]

Blaksmith:

ya... typical R&d

[11:56:17]

Beirdo:

juski, yeah, or many others, unfortunately

[11:56:28]

Beirdo:

don't often get the luxury of doin stuff right

[11:56:29]

Blaksmith:

most of the wait time was waiting for the circuitboard for me to program

[11:56:37]

juski:

our biggest company left us a memo on a fax machine I saw where they basically said "we're tired of your crap software. what are we – your beta testers?!"

[11:56:44]

Beirdo:

Blaksmith, sounds so familiar

[11:56:51]

juski:

company/customer

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Blaksmith:

but, I'll be able to sit here at my computer and upgrade their gensets with a simple phone modem :)9

[11:57:28]

Beirdo:

heh, but so will the hackers... beware :)

[11:57:38]

Blaksmith:

fully remote flashable with redundant programming checking before it actually re-programs itself

[11:57:46]

Beirdo:

good job

[11:57:59]

Blaksmith:

naa, tripple passwords for remote upgrades...

[11:58:11]

Blaksmith:

theirs, Ours, and MINE

[11:58:15]

Beirdo:

heh

[11:59:28]

Beirdo:

I need better wire strippers, these ones SUCK

[11:59:40]

juski:

mm strippers

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Blaksmith:

ya, we have an external flash chip with the same prog size to do the double checking before it actually programs the chip, so if for some odd reason that the upload is broken, it won't break the genset and require a trip to the box

[12:00:53]

Beirdo:

which is a good plan when it'll be in the deepest depths of Africa

[12:01:03]

Beirdo:

how many ebola-evading trips do ya want?

[12:01:24]

Blaksmith:

yep, if there is a break, they will have to re-send again.. it's for cell sites in Africa

[12:01:51]

Blaksmith:

90% of the time, it will be sent all in one shot, but there is always that 10% chance

[12:02:55]

Beirdo:

using a custom RTOS for that project?

[12:04:09]

Blaksmith:

ya.. using the PIC18F8722 chip for the controller/regulator

[12:04:17]

Blaksmith:

with a CAN bus

[12:04:27]

Beirdo:

cool

[12:05:27]

Blaksmith:

ya, what I do is make an image on the external eeprom, then once it is verified that all the crc checks are valid, then I tell the host "programming" then re-program the 8722, and reboot

[12:06:01]

Blaksmith:

a fairly simple task.. the hardest part is all the crc checks

[12:06:37]

Beirdo:

yeah

[12:09:48]

** juski signs up for terror laterts on his mobile phone **

[12:09:58]

Blaksmith:

ok, wtf is wrong with this picture.. prepare for a 12 line flood

[12:10:04]

juski:

laterts? wtf? ALERTS

[12:10:10]

Blaksmith:

ls -la /pub

[12:10:10]

Blaksmith:

total 11

[12:10:10]

Blaksmith:

drwxrwxrwx 3 root root 4096 Jan 9 04:02 .

[12:10:11]

Blaksmith:

drwxr-xr-x 65 root root 2712 Dec 30 10:32 ..

[12:10:11]

Blaksmith:

drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 9 04:00 MythTV

[12:10:11]

Blaksmith:

home:/pub# df -h

[12:10:15]

Blaksmith:

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

[12:10:16]

juski:

pastebin

[12:10:17]

Blaksmith:

/dev/hda3 112G 107G 4.8G 96% /

[12:10:19]

Blaksmith:

tmpfs 221M 0 221M 0% /dev/shm

[12:10:21]

Blaksmith:

/dev/hda1 110M 50M 61M 45% /boot

[12:10:23]

Blaksmith:

/dev/hdb3 112G 97G 9.9G 91% /pub

[12:10:25]

Blaksmith:

tmpfs 10M 776K 9.3M 8% /dev

[12:10:33]

GreyFoxx:

do not di that

[12:10:34]

GreyFoxx:

do

[12:10:37]

Blaksmith:

du /pub

[12:10:37]

Blaksmith:

17031668 /pub/MythTV

[12:10:37]

Blaksmith:

17031672 /pub

[12:10:41]

GreyFoxx:

paste it to pastebin

[12:10:47]

Blaksmith:

sorry...

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Blaksmith:

where the hell is the 97g used???

[12:11:21]

Blaksmith:

while the ONLY dir is /pub/MythTV

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juski:

that hidden rootkit some script kiddie installed earlier?

[12:11:54]

Blaksmith:

rofl

[12:12:06]

** Blaksmith knows about rootkits.. *cough* **

[12:12:31]

** Blaksmith looks around innocently **

[12:13:37]

Blaksmith:

looks like I may have a drive going bad, or something is taking over the drive that I can't see...

[12:13:51]

juski:

Blaksmith: looks like you have a lot of stuff in /pub/MythTV

[12:14:32]

Blaksmith:

du -h /pub/MythTV

[12:14:32]

Blaksmith:

17G /pub/MythTV

[12:14:38]

Blaksmith:

that sure ain't 120g

[12:15:13]

juski:

oh I dunno. just put windows on it then

[12:15:23]

Blaksmith:

rofl

[12:15:31]

stuarta:

mkfs?

[12:15:51]

Beirdo:

I'd try a reboot first

[12:15:52]

juski:

unmount it & check it

[12:15:53]

Blaksmith:

actually, about to kill myth, and re-format the drive..

[12:15:58]

Beirdo:

in case it IS open files

[12:16:09]

stuarta:

fuser -c /pub

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Blaksmith:

seeing as myth is the only thing on it

[12:16:29]

Blaksmith:

fuser -c /pub

[12:16:44]

Blaksmith:

pub: 1493 4012c 9073

[12:16:45]

juski:

rsdvd... happen to have stumbled on the magic commands to stop the front led flashy flashy? I can't find it

[12:16:48]

Blaksmith:

stupid / heh

[12:17:04]

stuarta:

well there you go, 3 things using it

[12:17:45]

rsdvd:

juski : sorry – no.....if I do I will let you know. Was there any sites you found I may have missed?

[12:18:33]

Blaksmith:

mythcommf 1493 root 5r REG 3,67 2149224560 1966097 /pub/MythTV/9002_20070109030500.mpg

[12:18:35]

Blaksmith:

first pid

[12:18:39]

juski:

rsdvd: I must not have been looking... http://forum.zenega-user.de/index.php?act=ST& . . . f9f36c57423a

[12:19:00]

stuarta:

is that one of the ones you've "deleted"

[12:19:41]

Beirdo:

bingo

[12:19:42]

rsdvd:

your German must be better than mine – I need to translate it first :-)

[12:20:20]

stuarta:

UNIX102: open, but unlinked files don't free up space until closed

[12:21:07]

juski:

rsdvd: lol. look at page 2

[12:22:11]

stuarta:

it's probably busy doing the "friendly" deletes

[12:22:23]

Blaksmith:

but over 2 days worth?

[12:22:25]

stuarta:

as Beirdo suggested kill the backend and they will all go away

[12:22:43]

willu:

hi all

[12:23:00]

Blaksmith:

will get the hd space back?

[12:23:03]

juski:

rsdvd: it might even be in my old zenslack image. I have a tarball of a backup from last summer _somewhere_

[12:23:40]

juski:

rsdvd: I'll add the info to my new pages today :)

[12:23:54]

Blaksmith:

ok, did the kill

[12:23:59]

Blaksmith:

and hd space is coming back fast

[12:24:01]

stuarta:

Blaksmith: UNIX102: open, but unlinked files don't free up space until closed

[12:24:08]

juski:

I can see now why the site was popular – so much info in _one_ _place_

[12:24:22]

Blaksmith:

dev/hdb3 112G 65G 42G 61% /pub

[12:24:25]

Blaksmith:

and climbing :D

[12:24:38]

willu:

quick question: I have a channel with no online guide info. I want to record 2:30–3:30pm weekdays. I set up a manual record. It fails because there is no guide data. Is there an easy way to make this work, or should I report a bug?

[12:24:39]

rsdvd:

cool – your site will soon be a meca for all S100 modders :-)

[12:25:01]

stuarta:

for future reference fuser -ck /pub will kill all processes accessing files on /pub

[12:25:03]

Blaksmith:

ty ty ty!!!!!!

[12:25:21]

Blaksmith:

ok, will make a mental note of that

[12:25:34]

Blaksmith:

if my mental note fails, I'll be asking again hahahaha

[12:26:14]

Blaksmith:

/dev/hdb3 112G 18G 89G 17% /pub

[12:26:57]

Blaksmith:

ok, I'm happy now heh

[12:30:12]

willu:

Should Manual Record be able to record on a channel with no guide data?

[12:30:19]

Blaksmith:

stuarta, would you suggest I put that as a cron say once a week?

[12:30:33]

** frink_ is still bored **

[12:30:48]

stuarta:

absolutely not.

[12:30:53]

Blaksmith:

ok

[12:31:28]

Blaksmith:

ok, so just when things don't seem "right" with hd space?

[12:32:06]

stuarta:

do as juski suggested. umount the fs and fsck it

[12:32:34]

Blaksmith:

may do that right now... heeh (after I make sure I'm not recording

[12:32:59]

stuarta:

well you just killed your backend so i doubt you are recording....

[12:33:01]

Blaksmith:

eeps.. backend crashed during all of that

[12:33:10]

Blaksmith:

heh

[12:33:32]

willu:

Does anyone here use Manual Record?

[12:33:43]

stuarta:

yes, mainly for testing

[12:34:02]

willu:

stuarta: do you use it on channels with no guide data?

[12:34:16]

Blaksmith:

hrm... 2 things have /pub busy.... can't umount it

[12:34:38]

Blaksmith:

any easy way to see what is keeping it busy?

[12:34:54]

** stuarta suggests Blaksmith read his IRC logs **

[12:35:12]

Blaksmith:

heh :D (beer #10 here)

[12:35:27]

stuarta:

EDRUNKQUESTIONS

[12:35:35]

Blaksmith:

hahahaha

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stuarta:

willu: mainly i have guide data, but it shouldn't make any difference

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willu:

okie – so the fact that it refuses to record a manual record because it doesn't match the guide data is a bug then

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stuarta:

willu: describe what you are trying to do.

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** Blaksmith found the things that were still attached. :D **

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willu:

I have a channel with no guide data

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willu:

I know there is a show from 2:30–3:30pm weekdays that I want to record

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willu:

I schedule a manual recording for that timeslot

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willu:

It doesn't record

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cecil:

check your backend log

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willu:

when I look at upcoming recordings, it tells me that it isn't going to record because it doesn't match the guide data

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willu:

cecil: was just doing that – but wanted to check that this should work first

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willu:

I don't use manual record much

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Blaksmith:

pub: clean, 27/14876672 files, 4732967/29740536 blocks

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Blaksmith:

ok, drive looks ok from that fsck

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willu:

nothing strange in the backend log

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** stuarta goes to play with manual recording schedules **

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Blaksmith:

re-started mythbackend :D

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willu:

when I restert the backend it requests a reschedule for -1 (all) and schedules 31 items in 0.4 seconds

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frink_:

juski: Your site is slow. Let me mirror it :)

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** Blaksmith thinks his system is happy once again. MANY thanks :) **

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willu:

BTW: I am in Australia, and have the soft-pad branch diffs merged into trunk rev 11798

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willu:

that might be doing weird things to the scheduler... sigh

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stuarta:

ah, quite possible. easiest way to test is to install a clean 11798 and try a test recording

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willu:

yeah

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stuarta:

just waiting a few minutes for my recording to kick off

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willu:

my recording doesn't even schedule – it tells me that it wont record in the upcoming recordings

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frink_:

juski: Your site is slow. Let me mirror it :)

[12:44:34]

willu:

ie it's a scheduling problem, not a recording problem

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Blaksmith:

fyi... first issue I had to deal with: http://uhtc.net/~blak/before.jpg and http://uhtc.net/~blak/after.jpg hahahahahahahah

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Blaksmith:

the cpu keep beeping at me...

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stuarta:

in that case, it's something in your merge, mine scheduled okay

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willu:

okie

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juski:

who needs fancy html editors? ;)

[12:45:14]

willu:

thanks for the sanity check

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stuarta:

and off it goes, recording...

[12:45:22]

willu:

okie

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willu:

thanks

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willu:

sigh

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** Blaksmith waits for the LMAO at the "before" picture hahah **

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Blaksmith:

3 years 99% run time (with cats in the house)

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rsdvd:

juski : I will add that to my list of things to do :-)

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stuarta:

my cpu is starting to look like that too...

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Blaksmith:

heh

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Blaksmith:

ya, soon as the chip got some air flow, my recordings were MUCH better haha

[12:48:58]

Blaksmith:

I knew the box was dirty, but not THAT dirty

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Blaksmith:

one of the fans is frozen though :( (out of 4)

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Blaksmith:

the fan that still blows on the hds is still good :D

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Blaksmith:

one of em runs about 102

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Blaksmith:

c

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Blaksmith:

the others about 95c

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flithm:

hey everyone... I know this isn't myth related, but I thought someone in here would probably know. I'm trying to set up my mceusb2 (wintv pvr-150) remote, and I've got lirc 0.8.1 compiled... the mceusb2 module loads and detects the remote. I've got /etc/lirc.conf set to the mceusb conf that comes in the tarball. But when I run lircd it doesn't detect any events from the remote. Anyone got any ideas what I might be doing wrong?

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LLyric:

juski: I just download it from some other terrorist :)

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juski:

rsdvd: gonna go to a craft shop at the weekend & get me some polystyrene & stuff. gonna fashion a custom front panel!

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rsdvd:

LOL......good luck!

[14:10:17]

rsdvd:

I have just been rumaging through all my electronics and I don;t have any 15-way D-subs :-(

[14:10:25]

rsdvd:

I cannot make my VGA header

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Merlin83b:

No knackered old graphics cards lying around?

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rsdvd:

just tried that – I had an old (P166) mothboard, but I cannot de-solder it

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juski:

rsdvd: time to make mr maplin a bit richer then

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rsdvd:

:-) If only there were a maplins round here........i might have to be an order from rs and wait till tomrrow :-(

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rsdvd:

do you know the 'proper' name for the sockets? 15-way d0sub only gives me the ones with 2 rows of pins not 3 like a VGA

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juski:

high density ;)

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** Beirdo slaps archive.ubuntu.com with a trout **

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Beirdo:

6kB/s... and I'm trying to get kernel-source

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Beirdo:

so I can compile LIRC modules

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Beirdo:

grr

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** seth|laptop slaps lilo with a tuna **

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** seth|laptop prepares to give lilo the Boot **

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Beirdo:

grub++

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seth|laptop:

yeah baby

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Beirdo:

oh look, stuarta is multiplying :)

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** seth|laptop DOS boot floppy > lilo **

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Beirdo:

nah, lilo has it's place... mostly in history

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

toad-with-underline?

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toad_:

is my problem a bug or a missing feature? essentially it boils down to "mythtv should only add channels from the listing source that a) exist, and b) are FTA if the user has asked for them to be"

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Beirdo:

nice.

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Beirdo:

toad_, that may require some extra coding, I don't think that logic's there

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** toad_ thinks a bug ... it does seem to only add channels that we can tune **

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Beirdo:

now, I could be wrong :)

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toad_:

although 99% of them are non-FTA

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toad_:

Beirdo: well should I file a bug report or edit the wishlist page?

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Beirdo:

not sure. I'd think likely the wishlist page, not sure.

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toad_:

Beirdo: it must be possible; myth must be able to connect the tuner-channel with the listings-channel, or nothing would work

[14:34:40]

toad_:

well, it would make setup a LOT easier

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Beirdo:

yeah, but to filter on FTA or not...

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toad_:

well we already DO filter on FTA or not

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toad_:

there's a checkbox

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toad_:

if I don't add a listings source and just use the EIT data and do a scan, then it adds the FTA channels only

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toad_:

however, even if I have the FTA-only box checked, if I add a listings source it adds every possible channel

[14:35:34]

Beirdo:

ahhh

[14:35:40]

Beirdo:

that might be a bug

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toad_:

that sounds like a bug to me?

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toad_:

ok, i'll file a bug

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Beirdo:

I don't do FTA myself

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Beirdo:

:)

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toad_:

is it possible to get a trac account?

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Beirdo:

I think there are instructions on there

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** toad_ supposes he will be notified anyway when his bug is updated **

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toad_:

there's a login page but no way to create an account

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** toad_ will just file a bug then **

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GreyFoxx:

There is a check box that tells it to only scan for FTA channels on that input

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GreyFoxx:

otherwise users end up adding a sh*t load of channels they can't access

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GreyFoxx:

Mythtv-setup->Input connections-input "Unencrypted channels only"

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DVBMark:

Anyone know much about PHP and what this error might be when trying to run mythweb?

[14:49:46]

DVBMark:

Fatal error: Call to a member function query() on a non-object in /var/www/mythweb/includes/session.php on line 60

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defaultro:

morning folks

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defaultro:

what tools are needed to convert our HD recorded shows into HD-DVD format?

[14:53:04]

Merlin83b:

Zero tools. Are there even and HD-DVD recorders around yet?

[14:54:17]

defaultro:

oh yeah, i forgot :)

[14:54:49]

juski:

HD DVD ... in linux? are you having a laugh?

[14:55:03]

toad_:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2894

[14:55:09]

defaultro:

by the way, i converted an hd recording to dvd and still looks awesome

[14:55:27]

juski:

480i awesome

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toad_:

GreyFoxx: I checked the box

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defaultro:

with minor pixelization on edges of the objects if you look very close

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juski:

arghhh! it's that bloomin word again

[14:55:37]

toad_:

GreyFoxx: the bug is that it still adds the non-FTA channels

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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toad_:

GreyFoxx: the check box works fine if I'm only using EIT data though

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defaultro:

but if i'm like 5 ft, it looks HD still :D

[14:55:53]

GreyFoxx:

I must have misread you

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juski:

wtf is _everything_ fkin awesome now? who moved the benchmark?

[14:56:14]

juski:

anyway...

[14:56:40]

juski:

don't hold yer breath waiting for HD-DVD support to come to linux

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toad_:

GreyFoxx: anyway, if you need more info, tell me, you have my email from the bug ticket

[14:57:03]

defaultro:

it will be around maybe 1 or 2 years :)

[14:57:18]

juski:

defaultro: I'll believe it when I see it

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toad_:

defaultro: maybe

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** toad_ too ... it will be crippled... **

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juski:

maybe in paid-for linux

[14:57:32]

defaultro:

yep

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toad_:

it will be vista-only

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jduggan:

paid-for linux?

[14:57:45]

jduggan:

oxymoron

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jduggan:

:o

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juski:

jduggan: linspire?

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toad_:

yay, TCPA Trusted Linux!

[14:58:16]

defaultro:

well, what will vendors think, Hmmm, we will loose about 20% of the market, why not make the writer supported in the linux community too :)

[14:58:25]

toad_:

with a special per-user signature from the MPAA!

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jduggan:

juski: shrug, there's about 10people in teh world using linspire

[14:58:32]

juski:

20%? who are you kidding?

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defaultro:

huh

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toad_:

linux is bigger than mac ... but the vast majority is still servers

[14:58:57]

juski:

we're outnumbered more than that I'd have thought

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defaultro:

ah

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juski:

as minorities go it's tiny

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toad_:

passed mac some years back

[14:59:20]

defaultro:

that's the number i know about 3 or 4 yrs ago

[14:59:26]

defaultro:

what is it now?

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toad_:

but that includes a LOT of servers

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juski:

forget servers

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toad_:

defaultro: on the desktop? if it was 5% i'd be surprised

[14:59:42]

juski:

think desktop seats

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toad_:

if it was 10% i'd leap for joy

[14:59:51]

defaultro:

k

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juski:

if it was 2% I'd be surprised tbh

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toad_:

nah, google gets 2% from linux iirc

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juski:

that doesn't mean people are using it though does it? I mean if it's not worky... ;)

[15:00:51]

toad_:

windows 87.21% mac 7.36% linux 5.08%

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toad_:

so we're just behind mac

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Merlin83b:

2.3% is a hell of a lot of desktops.

[15:01:23]

juski:

that's only stats for that blog though innit?

[15:01:31]

jduggan:

Top browsers:

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gardengnome:

toad_: and what do these numbers tells us?

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jduggan:

Firefox: 57.89%

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jduggan:

hm

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toad_:

:(

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gardengnome:

s/tells/tell/

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jduggan:

thats cool

[15:01:54]

gardengnome:

toad_: they do not necessarily correlate with real world

[15:01:58]

juski:

funny, but of all the people who look at my themes site, 95% use windows

[15:02:23]

defaultro:

i think the reason why big companies doesn't want to go with linux is due to learning curve especially for people above 45

[15:02:48]

juski:

I tell a lie.. Windows 861 52.53% Linux/Unix 634 38.68%

[15:02:55]

juski:

still not promising

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toad_:

hmmm

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juski:

stats, damn lies & stats :)

[15:03:30]

Beirdo:

juski, probably people surfing from work or from the gaming box :)

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** juski considers making some css which will make his sites invisible in IE **

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Beirdo:

hehe

[15:04:15]

toad_:

hmmm google used to have stats on operating systems hitting google

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stevenh:

perfect

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toad_:

but i can't find them right now

[15:04:46]

juski:

wow. since I moved my s100 pages, firefox is now the top browser on my site

[15:06:03]

stevenh:

where did you move your s100 pages too?

[15:06:11]

gardengnome:

/dev/null/

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toad_:

hmmm okay it was 1% in 2004, then google stopped doing OS stats on zeitgeist :(

[15:17:18]

toad_:

hmmm interesting response to my bug

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toad_:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2894#comment:2

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toad_:

so the problem is specific to one class of grabber?

[15:20:12]

Beirdo:

seems that way, dunn

[15:22:01]

toad_:

you talking to me?

[15:22:10]

janneg:

toad_: mythfilldatabase will add all channels in xmltv file. you haven't configured your grabber correctly, if it fetch data for channels you don't want

[15:23:23]

toad_:

janneg: so what's the point of mythtv-setup if you have to do everything manually anyway? (sorry if that sounds rude)

[15:24:41]

toad_:

janneg: at the very least, the documentation (howto page 9) should explain that you have to edit your .xmltv manually

[15:24:54]

toad_:

it doesn't; it implies that mythtv-setup will sort it out for you

[15:25:16]

toad_:

which it won't; it adds channels that don't exist in the scan, or that the scan wouldn't have added because it was told not to add FTA channels

[15:26:17]

stuarta_:

why not just use the EIT data?

[15:26:29]

toad_:

the EIT data isn't very good

[15:26:50]

toad_:

it only goes 8 days ahead and uses the same epnum for the first and second half of a film

[15:27:01]

toad_:

HOWEVER if that is the officially sanctioned way to do it, it should be documented

[15:27:15]

juski:

gardengnome: I'm redoing em.. they're back at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/s100/

[15:27:20]

juski:

been updating em a bit

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toad_:

i can give you a patch for the howto i suppose...

[15:27:35]

juski:

downloaded zenslack again & I'm gonna have a play with it some more

[15:28:02]

stuarta_:

toad_: the EIT data isn't perfect, but it's an alternative for those not wanting to use RT data

[15:28:16]

gardengnome:

juski: cool stuff.

[15:28:43]

janneg:

toad_: no, the grabber has a configure mode which mythtv-setup starts

[15:28:43]

juski:

gardengnome: I just wish it didn't get so many non-english hits. someone should do a german version

[15:29:09]

janneg:

you can redo that

[15:29:23]

gardengnome:

juski: i assume the zenega-user.de wiki should be enough.

[15:29:35]

toad_:

janneg: okay, so it's the "do you want to add channel XYZ?"'s?

[15:30:26]

janneg:

toad_: I haven't used that in a long time but probably yes

[15:30:32]

gardengnome:

juski: there's also a german guide: http://www.mythwiki.de/index.php?title=S100

[15:30:40]

toad_:

well

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juski:

gardengnome: so why the big deal about it vanishing?

[15:30:50]

toad_:

when I set up the RT grabber, it asks me on the console about various channels

[15:31:01]

gardengnome:

juski: *shrug*

[15:31:16]

gardengnome:

juski: your website is in our factoids bot

[15:31:30]

juski:

meaning what?

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toad_:

janneg: what is the point of myth adding channels that it can't tune?

[15:32:27]

gardengnome:

juski: if someone says "falball: s100" in #mythtv-de, he'll be direct to your website (among others)

[15:33:09]

toad_:

janneg: i just want to narrow this down into a simple bug report or a simple feature request

[15:33:14]

juski:

well it's gonna stay around for the time being if only for my own reference

[15:33:32]

gardengnome:

juski: it can't hurt :)

[15:33:47]

juski:

neither can me learning to control my bad arse temper

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toad_:

the nearest i've got so far is "cross-reference the tunable channels from the scanner against the grabbable channels from the listings source"

[15:34:03]

juski:

less cruel than kicking a dog or a child though eh

[15:34:09]

toad_:

(which mythtv does anyway later on)

[15:34:29]

toad_:

(otherwise it wouldn't be able to record anything)

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gardengnome:

juski: life isn't that bad, you know ;)

[15:34:48]

toad_:

so it's probably a matter of tweaking an SQL SELECT statement somewhere... I dunno where though

[15:34:56]

juski:

users are a PITA. who'd have em

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** stuarta_ hands juski the trout **

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toad_:

juski: :)

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toad_:

stubborn users are the worst!

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toad_:

the rest you can fob off, eventually they lose interest

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defaultro:

anyone, i'm only getting 59 FPS result from glxgears

[15:37:02]

defaultro:

i have seen other on the internet and theirs is around 3000 FPS

[15:37:15]

defaultro:

am I missing any configuration?

[15:37:45]

juski:

defaultro: sounds like you're missing glx

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toad_:

defaultro: what does that have to do with mythtv? i'd suggest you install a 3d graphics driver...

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juski:

but hey, I'm no expert

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defaultro:

toad, lol, i wasn't talking about mythtv

[15:38:06]

juski:

anyway... hometime alarm has gone orf

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defaultro:

my mythtv is awesome

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defaultro:

juski, i have glx based from glxinfo

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** juski googles for filtering 'awesome' and replacing it with 'ubuntu user word' **

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defaultro:

lol

[15:38:47]

juski:

defaultro: software glx, maybe

[15:38:52]

defaultro:

what should i use because i don't know what ubuntu

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stuarta:

glxinfo is your friend

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defaultro:

i mean, what word should i use in replacement for awesome :)

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toad_:

so what we have is not a bug as such ... it's just that mythtv is really dumb, in that it assumes that you know what channels you have, and doesn't bother to work it out itself, for listings, even though in other places it can work it out

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defaultro:

outstanding

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stuarta:

nipple head

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juski:

defaultro: easy.. just use it less so it has significance again

[15:39:29]

defaultro:

:)

[15:39:48]

defaultro:

stuarta, yes, like what I said, glxinfo tells that i have it enablede

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toad_:

so what i want to add is a setup feature request: "Use the scanned channels list to remove untunable and non-FTA channels from the grabber output." ?

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stuarta:

it's like what happens when you replace the use of "the force" with "the pants" in Star Wars

[15:40:16]

stuarta:

"may the pants be with you"

[15:40:18]

** juski pictures groups of folks with beards stroking their chins while saying 'hmmm awesome' **

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GreyFoxx:

hahah

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juski:

anyway.. time to picture me driving home

[15:41:00]

defaultro:

stuarta, what other recommendation you have?

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stuarta:

driinfo

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defaultro:

ok, let me try that

[15:41:36]

stuarta:

xdriinfo

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

[mythtv@localhost root]$ xdriinfo

[15:41:53]

defaultro:

libGL is too old.

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

could that be it?

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stuarta:

especially with the latest xorg GL they need to be kept in step

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stuarta:

so it's worth a try

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stuarta:

i would only update it with distro tools

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stuarta:

else compile all of X :)

[15:43:42]

defaultro:

my xorg is still old too

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defaultro:

i'm thinking of upgrading to 7.1

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stuarta:

i have to keep testing to see if i'm able to move to it.

[15:44:41]

defaultro:

but was wondering back in early 2005, the FPS was already like that

[15:44:53]

defaultro:

is 7.1 not stable yet?

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stuarta:

dunno, i just have issues getting dual head + free ATI radeon drivers + mythtv working

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defaultro:

ok

[15:46:20]

defaultro:

don't have any issues with that on 6.8.1

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stuarta:

it's improving, doesn't crash anymore, but I get bad tearing when using the frontend

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

using DFP?

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stuarta:

i'm still on 6.8.2 too :)

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toad_:

okay, I have added a feature request (although I'm still not sure why it isn't a bug) to not add / ignore channels which weren't on the scan output: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Feature_ . . . nitial_setup

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defaultro:

am on 6.8.1 and no tearing

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stuarta:

defaultro: DFP?

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stuarta:

6.8.2 is fine too

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defaultro:

digital flat panel

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defaultro:

but dfp is used inside xorg.conf

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defaultro:

i had tearing when i was using it

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stuarta:

ah, yeah, i have dual LCD 17"

[15:48:26]

stuarta:

but don't use dfp

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defaultro:

yes, i don't use dfp anymore

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defaultro:

i didn't know what it was before

[15:48:48]

defaultro:

i was experimenting

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defaultro:

then found out that my hdtv was a crt

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defaultro:

so I had to comment it out

[15:49:19]

defaultro:

it was even using 99%

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defaultro:

cpu usage

[15:49:40]

defaultro:

never came back when I used ConnectedMonitor "CRT"

[15:49:48]

defaultro:

but don't use it since you are using LCD

[15:49:54]

defaultro:

don't know if it will harm or not harm it

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** toad_ will now reset myth to only EIT data, rescan channels, etc... I believe I have reported the bug I ran into to the best of my ability; if you care about it, comment on the bug (2894) or the setup features page, I will get mails and come back if needed **

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Neeesat25:

Hello

[16:29:50]

Neeesat25:

Is juski around?

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stuarta:

he's travelling home

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juski:

he's home

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** stuarta gets jealous **

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juski:

you can answer Neeesat25 stuarta :)

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** stuarta hides **

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Neeesat25:

juski I have convert a video to mpg and transfer it to my Videos folder but I can not fastforward it

[16:31:19]

Neeesat25:

I try to edit it and again I get Not seektable

[16:31:39]

juski:

I don't know if myth videos can have seektables

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stuarta:

by "Video folder" do you mean mythvideo?

[16:31:47]

Neeesat25:

I try to mythcommflag but it does find any infos from the database

[16:32:02]

Neeesat25:

yes mythvideo

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gbee:

they can

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juski:

blimey. who'd have thunk?

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Neeesat25:

Here what I get for it: mythcommflag: ERROR: Unable to find DB info

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gbee:

it's stored in the filemarkup table

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stuarta:

try the --file option IIRC

[16:34:09]

Neeesat25:

I have try mythcomflag --rebuild -f

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stuarta:

oh hang on, maybe it's the --video option

[16:36:33]

Neeesat25:

I get: Could not connect to server "" @ port -1

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Neeesat25:

and also: RingBuffer::RingBuffer(): Failed to open remote file

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juski:

damn. I can't remember how to make a USB stick booty

[16:37:42]

stuarta:

hrm. i'm assuming you have imported the vid correctly using the UI?

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qu0zl:

juski isolinux is what you want to google for if i remember right

[16:38:12]

Neeesat25:

just upload the file

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juski:

qu0zl: don't remember needing isolinux

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qu0zl:

if you already have an image of a bootable distro you just dd that on and it'll include the boot stuff

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juski:

qu0zl: yeah I know that

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juski:

oh wait I DO have a dd image

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Neeesat25:

And set the snap from video manager

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qu0zl:

isolinux definitely does it if you want to make your own image though, i just checked one of our bootable usb keys here

[16:40:03]

juski:

ahh bloody annoying ubuntu automounter

[16:40:18]

qu0zl:

:)

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juski:

huh? fdisk can't open /dev/sda

[16:42:28]

qu0zl:

dmesg doesn't say it got mounted as something weird like sdb right?

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juski:

ahhh 'eject' != unmount

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Neeesat25:

stuarta: The patch for Monitoring of encryption didn't eliminate the problem with encrypted channels

[16:44:12]

Neeesat25:

It help a bit but not fully fixed

[16:44:19]

** stuarta looks bemused **

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Inssomniak:

in mythvideo using mplayer I can use the keyboard to pause/ff/rw but I cant do it from the remote? is there some other config that has to be done (mplayer needs to have lirc configged?)

[16:45:22]

janneg:

Neeesat25: which problem?

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Neeesat25:

Error encountered while displaying video

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Neeesat25:

On encrypted channels

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juski:

Inssomniak: you need a ~/.lircrc with mplayer lirc commands inside

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Inssomniak:

thats what I figured

[16:46:52]

Inssomniak:

anyone have such a setup I can bum from?

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juski:

Inssomniak: google

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Inssomniak:

ok I found it on google, but it goes into a seperate file? not the one in .mythtv ?

[16:48:48]

Beirdo:

oh YAY, the download of kernel-source finally finished

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Beirdo:

now I can compile me some lirc modules

[16:49:12]

Beirdo:

oh, motherfuckers

[16:49:21]

Beirdo:

it downloaded 2.4.27!?

[16:49:25]

qu0zl:

lol

[16:49:32]

Beirdo:

I wanted the source to my current kernel, beotches.

[16:49:37]

qu0zl:

lol

[16:49:40]

** Beirdo bashes his head against the wall **

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qu0zl:

that was worth 2xlol's Beirdo ;)

[16:49:47]

Beirdo:

2h well wasted

[16:49:51]

Beirdo:

yes it was ;)

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** Beirdo sighs **

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stuarta:

2hrs? what is that 64kb speed or something...

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Beirdo:

6kB/s average on that download

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** Beirdo once again bitch-slaps archive.ubuntu.com **

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Beirdo:

root@horn:/usr/src# uname -a

[16:52:13]

Beirdo:

Linux horn 2.6.15-27–386 #1 PREEMPT Fri Dec 8 17:51:56 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux

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Beirdo:

root@horn:/usr/src# apt-cache policy linux-source

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Beirdo:

Candidate: 2.6.15.25

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Beirdo:

ummmm, that seems wrong

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janneg:

Neeesat25: under which conditions? are you able to decrypt the channel?

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Neeesat25:

From my original card

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

linux-source-2.6.15. Gotcha

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Beirdo:

this is coming from security.ubuntu.com. Also slow

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Beirdo:

ah well

[16:54:45]

Neeesat25:

What is the default location of theme images?

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Dr_willis:

Hmm.. Odd.. GeeXbox – saw the Mythtv upnp server once... but aint seeing it now.

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Neeesat25:

ok found it

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: won't the kernel headers suffice for that?

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Beirdo:

not sure, but I'd rather have the whole source anyways :)

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janneg:

Neeesat25: under which conditions do you get the "Error encountered while displaying video"? directly after tuning before you get a picture?

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Beirdo:

gardengnome, wanna see if my IR transmitter explodes. heh

[16:59:26]

GreyFoxx:

Anyone here using a usb soundcard for output ?

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** juski dusts off his s100 **

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Neeesat25:

yes when tuning to an encrypted channel if it can not decrypt the I get that message

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juski:

oh bollocks I forgot to tell lilo.conf the fs is jfs not resier

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juski:

oops

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Inssomniak:

hmm, mplayer still wont use lirc

[17:02:08]

Neeesat25:

I have keep only the channels that my card can decrypt. Unfortunatly the provider is changing keys almost every day so my card some times needs to update

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Inssomniak:

I dont even see it try

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janneg:

Neeesat25: do you use th latest patch from 2874?

[17:03:11]

Neeesat25:

But even if my card is working sometimes it can happens. Then I have to get out of LiveTV and Back in to clear

[17:03:17]

juski:

hrm. I wonder if this islolinux image even supports jfs

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juski:

ext3 might have to do. bit dodgy for a usb stick but hey

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Neeesat25:

I use encryption_sigmon_v2.diff

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Neeesat25:

Dated 1/7/07

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Beirdo:

hahah. security.ubuntu.com is going at 1.6kB/s

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janneg:

Neeesat25: ok. and in the signal monitor status you get LMSC?

[17:05:04]

juski:

sod it. reiser it is

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** Beirdo is getting pissed at this shit **

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Neeesat25:

You mean when I tune to the channel?

[17:05:59]

Neeesat25:

Sometimes partialy locked and sometimes locked

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stuarta:

oh that. my brain isn't working today.

[17:08:20]

janneg:

Neeesat25: yes. I'm only interrested in the last states

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juski:

zenslack is loading...

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juski:

and has rebooted

[17:09:21]

juski:

ah fstab

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Neeesat25:

janneg: Let me check again a bit

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janneg:

and in the values in () before "partialy locked" or "locked"

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Neeesat25:

ok

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juski:

and the s100 is into XMMS

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juski:

lovely

[17:14:47]

GreyFoxx:

Anyone here setup a mythbox with multiple frontends and multiple remotes+lirc? Getting the seperate X sessions and frontends is simple enough, but I've never played with lirc so I'm not sure how easy the multi remote thing would be to get going

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juski:

damn.. where does slack keeps its network config stuff again?

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GreyFoxx:

etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf

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** gbee shrugs **

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GreyFoxx:

you can use netconfig to edit it

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juski:

I can't until I'm logged into it ;)

[17:21:24]

juski:

I knew this box backwards once

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juski:

cheers

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juski:

think it might be easier for me to make an nfs share, mount it to the s100 box, then build stuff on the box itself

[17:24:41]

stuarta:

it's home time!

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stuarta:

see you all tomorrow

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juski:

night stuarta have fun

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Neeesat25:

see ya stuarta

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janneg:

Neeesat25: you shouldn't get the error message, as long as there is a lower-case 'c'

[17:29:37]

Neeesat25:

Sometimes I dont get lower-case 'c'

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Neeesat25:

Just LMS_

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janneg:

that is for the first seconds

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Neeesat25:

Anyway I will have to spend more time with it and see what I get in the case of the error

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janneg:

Neeesat25: I'm going home now. Can you send a backend log with -v channel,record when it happens again?

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janneg:

bye

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Neeesat25:

ok janneg thanks

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Neeesat25:

Buy for now

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Neeesat25:

bye

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juski:

I forgot how much I 'love' vi

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Beirdo:

vi rules :)

[17:35:24]

juski:

woo zenslack now has a 2.6.15 kernel

[17:35:37]

Beirdo:

especially the extensions in vim.

[17:35:42]

juski:

I used to use vi every day of my working life & grew to love it

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Neeesat25:

bye to all, see ya tommorow

[17:35:51]

Beirdo:

aye :)

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juski:

that was before vim even existed I think

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juski:

seeya Neeesat25

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juski:

another dumb question.. could I just copy mythtv libs from another (different distro) box & as long as the dependencies are good, be able to run mythfrontend & the plugins?

[17:37:11]

Dr_willis:

heh. i rember using ed ages ago....

[17:37:25]

juski:

we had ed back then aswell. vi got my vote

[17:37:31]

Dr_willis:

juski, i doubt if things will be that simple.

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Beirdo:

worth a try though

[17:38:11]

juski:

Dr_willis: I know libraries are linked but I dunno the extent to which they go

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juski:

ach no harm in setting up a build environment here

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juski:

I've got a 1GB stick.. will that be enough?

[17:39:15]

gardengnome:

juski: you could prolly ask panzaeron what version of slackware he's using as his build environment.

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gardengnome:

for what? are you going to compile $things on the s100?

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juski:

gardengnome: might be able to find that in here

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juski:

gardengnome: yeah

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juski:

gonna get rid of the illegal stuff in zenslack & kind of roll my own

[17:40:16]

juski:

or rather roll my own 'mythtv plugin'

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juski:

last time I looked at it, the mythtv install had some well dodgy stuff in it

[17:41:25]

Beirdo:

like skipping commercials :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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juski:

no, like 'free cable'

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Dr_willis:

Beirdo, shhhh.. 'they' may be listening.

[17:41:40]

Beirdo:

ick

[17:41:46]

Dr_willis:

never noticed any free cable. :)

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gardengnome:

juski: have fun. it's going to take ages.

[17:41:56]

juski:

gardengnome: haha I know

[17:42:08]

juski:

the box is quiet so I don't mind leaving it on for ages

[17:42:14]

** Dr_willis sneaks over to the neighbors and 'borrows' their signal. **

[17:42:28]

gardengnome:

juski: make sure you've got enough swap space. the OOM killer might kick in otherwise.

[17:42:31]

Paladine:

yay 24: Season 6 Eps 1 and 2 just showed up in my schedule :)

[17:42:32]

Beirdo:

borrow the TV while yer at it

[17:42:42]

juski:

gardengnome: ahh.. some NFS swap might be called for then

[17:42:45]

Dr_willis:

ya know given the # of channels and stuff.. its amazing the amount of data that gets sent over these cables...

[17:42:52]

gardengnome:

juski: good luck with that.

[17:43:03]

gardengnome:

juski: i'd suggest you just make a slackware chroot

[17:43:03]

juski:

NFS swap is no good?

[17:43:15]

Dr_willis:

swap file over nfs... hmmm

[17:43:23]

juski:

or just slow?

[17:43:26]

Dr_willis:

not sure thats a good idea or not.

[17:43:32]

Beirdo:

slooow

[17:43:39]

Dr_willis:

ive heard of it being done/discussed... but never really looked into it.

[17:44:02]

juski:

course there could be major snafus if it gets out of sync

[17:44:15]

Beirdo:

I'd only use it in specific situations like what juski's doing, personally

[17:44:42]

juski:

chrooting should be pretty safe though

[17:44:47]

Beirdo:

better to avoid using swap if possible on a dickless client

[17:44:58]

juski:

then I could use all the spare cpu on my backend box

[17:45:00]

Beirdo:

usually not possible though

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gnome42:

Beirdo: lol :)

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juski:

har har

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Dr_willis:

hmm – im using 17mb of swap!

[17:45:45]

Dr_willis:

egads!

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Dr_willis:

:)

[17:45:55]

juski:

nah to be on the safe side I think I could just free up my 160GB USB disk

[17:45:56]

Dr_willis:

33mb free

[17:46:22]

gardengnome:

juski: chroot means that you don't have to get up

[17:46:31]

Beirdo:

and that's a good thing

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Beirdo:

save getting up for the beer fetching and the beer eliminating

[17:46:59]

juski:

would I be able to do the chrooting on my umbongo box?

[17:47:12]

juski:

like make the fs, then chroot into it?

[17:47:18]

gardengnome:

juski: yeppers.

[17:47:22]

** Beirdo eyes the 2L bottle of rum that's currently soaking cinnamon sticks **

[17:47:23]

gardengnome:

juski: i've dont it all the time.

[17:47:28]

juski:

thought as much but wasn't sure

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gardengnome:

done*

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Beirdo:

wonder how strong the cinnamon flavor is now

[17:48:16]

gardengnome:

juski: stuff like compiling kernel modules might bt tricky because your running kernel doesn't necessarily match the one you're compiling for, but you could still do that on the s100.

[17:48:30]

juski:

gardengnome: I've got a kernel :)

[17:48:38]

gardengnome:

juski: for the s100?

[17:48:42]

juski:

yeah

[17:48:55]

juski:

and I could dig the modules out of zenslack

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gardengnome:

the .config ought to be sufficient

[17:50:37]

** juski wonders if there's really any need for zenslack to still be using devfs **

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juski:

I remember having to export system variables chrooting to install gentoo.. would I have to do that here?

[17:54:59]

gardengnome:

umm. prolly not. maybe you'll have to bind-mount /proc and/or /dev.

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juski:

ah

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juski:

slack 10.2 was used

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Beirdo:

heh, anyone want to model a circuit in pspice for me? ;)

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** moh thinks back to the pspice days **

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juski:

Beirdo: I could have done at work

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juski:

what's the schematic – maybe I can figure it out

[17:59:13]

Beirdo:

it's just my IR transmitter, I'm wondering if my capacitor sizing is large enough

[17:59:41]

Beirdo:

I'm trying to balance the charge time and current with the discharge (through the IR LED) time and current

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juski:

Beirdo: you got a digital camera / camera phone to see if the LED(s) light up?

[18:00:18]

Beirdo:

yeah, but I'll just use a voltmeter :)

[18:00:19]

Beirdo:

heh

[18:00:45]

Beirdo:

then once I know the voltages are there, I'll let it loose on our cable box

[18:00:50]

robthebob:

mythbackend appears to stop writing to my log file after a short amount of time running

[18:01:01]

robthebob:

any random reason why?

[18:01:03]

Beirdo:

but first I need LIRC modules, and the kernel source download's takin hours. fun

[18:01:36]

Beirdo:

I should put my schematic into gschem or something, and put it online

[18:01:53]

Beirdo:

I'm using a lot more diode protection than the homebrew ones on lirc.org

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Beirdo:

and a non-low-dropout 7805 driven off RTS and Tx lines... with RTS at ~+10V and Tx at ~-10V for "normal" serial ports

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Beirdo:

or +/- 5V for laptops

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raptorjr:

when playing a mp4 videofile

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Beirdo:

Radio Shack didn't have 78L05, of course

[18:05:25]

Beirdo:

raptorjr, libfaad, I think it is

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raptorjr:

thank you, do i have to recompile myth or is it enought to install libfaad?

[18:06:12]

Beirdo:

that I'm not sure. try installing the lib first :)

[18:06:23]

raptorjr:

ok, i'll try. thank you

[18:06:47]

Beirdo:

juski, so basically... +5V supply, through a 1k resistor to a 470uF cap to ground for charging

[18:06:47]

juski:

jees zenslack doesn't even have ping!

[18:07:09]

juski:

Beirdo: hmm not even too much current for the port..

[18:07:58]

Beirdo:

then at the node between that resistor and the cap, the LED to a 100ohm resistor to the collector on an NPN, with the emitter going to ground, base to a 10k resistor to the DTR line (through a diode)

[18:08:20]

Beirdo:

yeah, I aimed for 5mA charge current

[18:09:05]

Beirdo:

and about 33mA through the LED (max current of 150mA), but I might have to fiddle that part

[18:09:12]

juski:

Beirdo: is the cap staying charged?

[18:09:29]

Beirdo:

no, during transmit, it will discharge to source the LED

[18:09:40]

juski:

of course but is it charging?

[18:09:40]

Beirdo:

along with the 5mA from the serial port

[18:09:55]

Beirdo:

I haven't actually plugged in yet :)

[18:09:56]

Beirdo:

hehe

[18:10:26]

Beirdo:

waiting until I have lirc_serial so I can actually turn the RTS line to +10V

[18:10:55]

Beirdo:

RC constant for charge is 470ms, for discharge, 47ms

[18:11:45]

Beirdo:

and I'm not clear if that 47ms discharge presents enough time for the transmission (with the modulation, etc included), and I have yet to find online specs on the remote control protocol

[18:12:18]

Beirdo:

one RC constant (37%) brings 5V -> 1.7V (IIRC) which is the forward voltage of the LED

[18:13:42]

Beirdo:

the package said 1.3V typ – 1.7V max

[18:13:48]

Beirdo:

I thought it was a bit low too

[18:14:14]

Beirdo:

I expected in the range of 3V

[18:14:45]

Beirdo:

I COULD go out and get a 22mF cap for that circuit, but it would take forever for initial charge :)

[18:14:50]

juski:

47ms.. hmm... carrier freq. is 38khz.. rc5 is er... let's see..

[18:15:13]

Peggerrr:

how big a hard drive does everyone have???

[18:15:33]

Beirdo:

Peggerrr, got me a RAID5 of 4 x 300G

[18:15:48]

BULLE:

Peggerrr: 6x320gb + 2x200gb

[18:15:52]

Peggerrr:

Beirdo, so how much usable space is that

[18:15:54]

juski:

Beirdo 47ms might be too short a time

[18:16:01]

Beirdo:

900G, just short of 1TB

[18:16:12]

juski:

but you can easily bulk it up with another 470uF ;)

[18:16:17]

Peggerrr:

do you use most of all that space?

[18:16:31]

Beirdo:

juski, yeah, that was my gut feeling. Each part in the modulation will be ramping down like a saw tooth

[18:16:36]

** juski has 1x500GB, 1x320GB **

[18:16:42]

Beirdo:

yeah, almost all of it

[18:16:50]

juski:

and that ^^ is about 85% full most of the time

[18:16:50]

Beirdo:

it's disgusting, really :)

[18:17:05]

** gardengnome is gonna have 1x 500GB, 1x 160GB and 1x 120GB in the new mythtv box **

[18:17:19]

juski:

gardengnome: if you don't manager to blow em up ;)

[18:17:21]

Beirdo:

OK, thanks, juski. Just wanted to get another EE-type of mind grinding on it for a short time

[18:17:23]

Peggerrr:

wow, I just got mine set up yesterday with a 80GB, and I was thinking about upgradeing to a 300GB but I guess I am not even close

[18:17:45]

Beirdo:

I can up the capacitance easily enough, but the charge time will be atrocious

[18:17:55]

Beirdo:

however, if it never really discharges, who cares

[18:18:17]

gardengnome:

juski: it'd better not blow up. ;)

[18:18:37]

juski:

Beirdo: you could always just drag +5V from a spare USB port ;)

[18:18:57]

juski:

up to 500mA

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Peggerrr:

guess I defently need to get one of these in order to keep up http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.438709/it.A/id.22/.f

[18:19:27]

Beirdo:

yeah, I could...

[18:19:44]

juski:

all these slackware guides I see just go for the ;sod it, install all the packages' options :(

[18:20:00]

Beirdo:

5mA peak charge current is kinda good for me serial port though :)

[18:20:12]

gardengnome:

Peggerrr: with my current ~110GB, i can record about 40 hours at 6MBit/s. that's not much.

[18:20:28]

Beirdo:

I considered drain resistors from RTS and Tx (aka +/-10V lines) to GND, but didn't bother yet

[18:20:40]

Peggerrr:

gardengnome, how many GB is that a hour?

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Beirdo:

that way when you unplug it would eventually drain the caps, but fuck it

[18:21:03]

Peggerrr:

gardengnome, are you recording HD?

[18:21:04]

Beirdo:

100k resistors wouldn't be much more constant current though

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gardengnome:

Peggerrr: 2700MB/h

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gardengnome:

Peggerrr: no, SDTV with PVR 250s

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Peggerrr:

so gig and a half

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juski:

Peggerrr: HDDs have never been cheaper. get as much storage as you can afford.

[18:22:50]

gardengnome:

Peggerrr: about two gig and a half i'd say ;)

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juski:

don't use lvm without raid if you can help it, either

[18:22:55]

Peggerrr:

gardengnome, then they will be cheeper tomorrow

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juski:

actually when storage groups makes it into 0.21, you won't even _need_ lvm to have heaps of storage in the stable branch of mythtv :)

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gardengnome:

juski: that's gonna be awesome.

[18:24:22]

juski:

I'd call it 'great' not awesome but hey

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** Scopeuk goese back to working on the /telekenetic slap command **

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gardengnome:

juski: it's almost better than sliced bread, so it's pretty awesome i think. i've wanted such a thing for a long time

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Peggerrr:

grantm, thats what I ment t and a half gigs

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Xanium4332:

sry to jump in, but what is this 'awsome' thing?

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juski:

Xanium4332: too many things are 'awesome' these days. it's been devalued substantially

[18:26:56]

juski:

but anyway... multiple disk storage groups :)

[18:27:01]

gardengnome:

juski: mythtv is awesome.

[18:27:02]

gardengnome:

;)

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juski:

coming 'soon' – already in svn

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defaultro:

hey folks, do you know of a tool that will tell how many frames there are in that mpg file?

[18:27:29]

juski:

gardengnome: I know, but when folks talk about peeps blogs being awesome etc...

[18:27:38]

juski:

defaultro: ffmpeg maybe

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defaultro:

awesome is usually used by ubuntu folks as what I was told this morning :)

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Beirdo:

I've rarely seen any blog that actually awed me. Hence, not awesome.

[18:28:08]

juski:

or take the time, multiply it by the framerate.. ta-da

[18:28:14]

defaultro:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

s/awesome/pants/sweet/nifty/cool/word/phat/sparklefattygumdrop/blah/

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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defaultro:

coz am running ffmpeg against a 7g file and was wondering it was taking 2 hours now

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gardengnome:

juski: i know at least one awesome blog. sadly, it got shut down :/

[18:28:54]

defaultro:

i'm at 107kth frame now

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juski:

my one-man crusade will continue anabated

[18:29:19]

defaultro:

DONE! finally

[18:29:23]

juski:

my blog didn't even get near being updated often. I need a blog like a fish needs a bicycle

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defaultro:

frame=107740 q=0.0 Lsize= 3501322kB time=3594.7 bitrate=7979.3kbits/s

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defaultro:

that was more than a 2 hour wait :(

[18:30:33]

slowone:

i thought blogs were just a slow form of irc for young kids... ;p

[18:30:41]

juski:

oh noes! how will people find out about my inconsequential ramblings now? one less is not enough

[18:30:57]

juski:

aanyway

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Beirdo:

juski, blogs are great for bitching about things, it can be so therapeutic and definitely cheaper than a shrink :)

[18:31:51]

Zider:

I can use nano for that

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Zider:

and noone has to read it either

[18:32:03]

juski:

heh. I wouldn't want a diary to be cached & indexed by google though

[18:34:16]

raptorjr:

i thought i could only enable that for mythmusic?

[18:34:23]

juski:

I dunno

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juski:

just prodding around

[18:34:47]

Zider:

I prefer to strut

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juski:

hrm I wish I had a USB optical drive now

[18:35:20]

Beirdo:

bitching about stuff is infinitely more fun with an audience egging you on :)

[18:35:30]

juski:

oh wait who needs one of them when you have NFS. result!

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Beirdo:

IRC is a good medium for that too, come to think of it

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juski:

yeh but I have a bad tendency to take out my frustrations on the wrong things

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yeah, don't we all

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juski:

btw gardengnome I managed to shave a whole 10 or so MB out of blootube-wide's memory usage. so those experimental changes aren't being included

[18:37:56]

juski:

my (cough) next theme will be more er.. minimal. ish

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juski:

promise. lol

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juski:

crap. that kind of implies I still want to do more themes. damn I'm duty-bound now

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juski:

+O /delete log

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GreyFoxx:

haha!

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stevenh:

juski: Thanks for making your blootube 4:3. I love it. I also really really like the blootube-osd.

[18:49:05]

Milosch:

hmm, my nvidia output seems dark. Maybe it just sucks, but is there a way to adjust this?

[18:49:12]

juski:

stevenh: np. any problems email me at the address in README.txt, pref. with screenshots

[18:51:23]

Milosch:

not without a keyboard on the myth box it seems, using nvidia-settings

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Milosch:

nm, i found it

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juski:

damn so much for that idea. share the slack dvd over nfs, mount it & run setup. can't find setup. might have to borrow a dvd drive

[19:01:18]

GreyFoxx:

Now that's something I haven't done in awhile... and NFS install

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Inssomniak:

LiveTV forcing JumpTo 1 <-- can anyone tell me what this means its doing when this is shown in the logs?

[19:02:32]

juski:

looking at the docs I don't think it's possible to do an NFS install from a system with no bootable optical device. the slack I'm running doesn't have the setup command

[19:02:45]

juski:

I could always just torch this usb stick & go with zipslack

[19:10:57]

Scopeuk:

tprching usb sticks is always fun

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null:

Why could I see a recording in mythweb but not on the frontend?

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rsdvd:

juski : the last FC6 I installed I used a usb key as the boot device then mounted the DVD on another PC and told it to use HTTP to get the files.......just a thought

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juski:

rsdvd: yeah but...

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juski:

anyway I'm freeing up my 160GB USB disk

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juski:

wait a sec I could always use my winduhs box

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juski:

nah sod it... usb 160GB it is

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juski:

rsdvd: so you're not bothering with zenslack then?

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juski:

oh ffs. there's been a 'new' theme available for a while & I've been checking up on how to download it etc. with a view to maybe putting a link on the wiki, but it's hosted on rapidshare

[19:34:32]

gardengnome:

so?

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gardengnome:

well, right. rapidshare and friends SUCK.

[19:34:47]

gardengnome:

people should get some real hosting

[19:35:57]

Paladine:

http://www.darndivorce.com/storage-solutions- . . . ced-mothers/

[19:36:11]

Zider:

that's why you have your own web server ;)

[19:37:21]

Paladine:

Zider, only 1? I have 3 :)

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gardengnome:

mine is only rented :/

[19:37:52]

Inssomniak:

2 here but not on that fast of bandwidth

[19:37:57]

Paladine:

one of mine is leased in a data center, the rest I run from home

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Inssomniak:

plus email server :)

[19:38:10]

Zider:

Paladine: only one per connection is needed ;)

[19:38:42]

Zider:

getting decent space without paying shitloads is kinda hard too

[19:38:48]

Paladine:

yeah but I have a /29 subnet so I have more than 1 connection :)

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Zider:

unless you have your own that is

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Paladine:

and I get 1500GB per month on my server for $99 a month

[19:39:13]

Zider:

Paladine: isn't that more than 1 ip rather than more than 1 connection?

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Zider:

Paladine: I mean storage space, not quots

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Zider:

a

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Zider:

bah

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Paladine:

Zider, I only have 1 physical line connection, but I have multiple machones connected to it

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Paladine:

which is what I meant

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Zider:

Paladine: exactly

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Paladine:

I have 160GB on my leased server

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gardengnome:

i only have 80GB, but it's only like 20 bucks/month

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juski:

my hobby isn't worth paying that much for even

[19:40:35]

gardengnome:

EUR20, to be more specific

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juski:

though I wouldn't mind having better tracking & logging

[19:41:10]

juski:

.. or infact ANY logging come to think of it

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Paladine:

at leaseweb you can get unmetered 10Mbit connection for 69 euros a month

[19:41:16]

gardengnome:

juski: i share it with three or four other people so it doesn't cost me a lot. i mainly use it for IRC

[19:41:23]

Paladine:

I used to have a server farm there

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Zider:

I have 600GB and only pay for the internet connection, $45 or so

[19:41:39]

Zider:

;)

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Paladine:

Zider, yeah I will be shutting down my leased server in the near future once I get round to migrating the email for 30ish domains to my home server

[19:42:34]

juski:

I pay £2.99 a year for my domain name & that's it

[19:42:35]

Zider:

100/10Mbit connection, no limits

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Paladine:

I recently got my upstream upgraded to 832kb/s so it is viable now, it wasn't viable on a 256kb/s upstream

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gardengnome:

juski: i bought mythweb.de the other day ;)

[19:43:09]

Paladine:

juski, I recently shed a lot of domains, went from 96 to 37 :)

[19:43:29]

juski:

costs WAY too much for individuals

[19:43:32]

gardengnome:

oh, need to restart my IRC client. i had accidentally set reverse dns to it

[19:43:33]

juski:

in the UK anyway

[19:44:16]

gardengnome:

juski: you get .de domains for 10€/year

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juski:

ouch

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Paladine:

juski, most .uk domains are about 6 quid a year

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Paladine:

which is far from expensive

[19:44:39]

juski:

ouch

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Paladine:

the first domain I ever bought cost me 65 quid

[19:44:59]

Paladine:

back in 1997

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Paladine:

soprices have dropped a hell of a lot

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juski:

costs them bugger all to set up though

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Paladine:

costs money to purchase the domain (even for resellers) and it takes a member of staff who has to be paid wages, to setup the nameservers etc

[19:46:02]

Paladine:

so I disagree that it costs them bugger all to setup

[19:46:09]

juski:

ach well

[19:46:41]

juski:

still money for old rope I reckon

[19:47:04]

Paladine:

in this day and age I think everyone should have their own domain even if it is just for running their own email

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Zider:

I have my own domain :)

[19:47:23]

juski:

why would any individual want to run their own email?

[19:47:31]

gardengnome:

juski: because i can.

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sysrq:

more control?

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Paladine:

with eu law no requiring data rentention for all email etc., people shouldn't be trusting ISP email or free webmail anymore

[19:47:41]

sysrq:

especially when dealing with spam

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Paladine:

s/no/now

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Zider:

gmail is good enough for me

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juski:

I hardly get any email let alone spam

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Paladine:

I get about 800 emails a week

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Paladine:

about 10% of it is spam that manages to get through my filters

[19:48:22]

gardengnome:

actually, i wouldn't mind having a managed server right now, or at least some good webspace with email. taking care of your own server can take a lot of time

[19:48:58]

juski:

I'd rather have free time to spend on messing with mythtv & stuff than bollocking about with email servers etc

[19:49:41]

juski:

oh wow. I just found a backup of a 0.18 database. how quaint!

[19:50:40]

Paladine:

there isn't any bollocking about required really, just the initial setup, which for a single domain takes about 20 minutes for a novice, about 5 for someone familiar with postscript/imap

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GreyFoxx:

juski: I have the 0.9 source packages here if you want to see quaint :)

[19:51:37]

Paladine:

postfix I meant, not postscript

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Paladine:

thats what I get for nattering when playing with pdfs :)

[19:51:53]

GreyFoxx:

http://pastebin.ca/311310

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gardengnome:

Paladine: we're running syscp on our box. quite handy.

[19:52:48]

Paladine:

gardengnome, I use postfix for smtp, dovecot for imap and mailscanner/spamassassin for spam control

[19:53:10]

Paladine:

postfix is so much better than sendmail imo

[19:53:17]

juski:

GreyFoxx: yeah I used a very very old 'blue' theme background as the basis for blootube's background :)

[19:53:25]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

I keep every bit of source I've downloaded in the last 9 years :)

[19:53:44]

GreyFoxx:

some of it older than that

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juski:

right. USB HDD. check. slack DVD.. check

[19:53:54]

GreyFoxx:

every version of everything :)

[19:53:59]

juski:

way to boot & run setup.. erm...

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juski:

aha! another usb stick

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: except for the dxr3 stuff ;)

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juski:

fdisk.. not found. thanks zenny

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momelod:

greetings

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gardengnome:

juski: boot DSL first?

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GreyFoxx:

gardengnome: yeah, but I have some of it, just not the finished code :)

[19:56:09]

juski:

gardengnome: haven't got a non-zenslack boot device handy

[19:56:12]

juski:

yet

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juski:

riiight. my 160GB disk is /dev/sdb

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momelod:

i have a problem with my new install of mythtv on debian using a pvr-150 card. Playback of both recordings and live tv seem sluggish, however using an external program to play the recordings plays perfectly. What could i change in the mythfrontend to improve playback?

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juski:

quick dd of zipslack image.. and...

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juski:

kernel panic. oh bum

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seth|laptop:

hey I had one of those last night, it involved lilo, a suspend2 kernel error, and a scsi controller

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Paladine:

people still use lilo?

[20:05:13]

seth|laptop:

KM does

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seth|laptop:

its getting grub'd tonight when I get home

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momelod:

does anyone have any ideas why i would get sluggish playback in mythfrontend but smooth playback with external players?

[20:07:55]

seth|laptop:

what type of content

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juski:

so I can't actually just dd bootdisk.img to a usb stick.. pfft

[20:08:16]

momelod:

live tv over coax

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momelod:

juski try puppylinux, u can boot from cdrom and then install to usbdisk

[20:08:54]

juski:

momelod: wrong mpeg decoder method? try another. try disabling opengl vsync if it's enabled.

[20:09:05]

juski:

momelod: booting from cdrom isn't an option. no cdrom

[20:09:11]

momelod:

yeah, btw im using the mesa opengl drivers

[20:09:16]

momelod:

is that just a bad idea?

[20:10:01]

juski:

momelod: maybe, I dunno

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momelod:

i tried the ffmpeg and mpeg-2 decoders, same for both

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juski:

ahh I need usbboot.img

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Dagmar:

Well, um kinda.

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Dagmar:

There's a thing that's a cousin to the ISOLINUX project to make bootable CDs that's for USB sticks.

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Zider:

syslinux?

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Dagmar:

It all basically works the same way, but with a different bootstrap, and of course the slightly smallish chance your motherboard will actually boot from a USB device

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Zider:

http://syslinux.zytor.com/

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Zider:

it's part of the same project, sort of

[20:19:49]

Dagmar:

Yeah

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Dagmar:

I had to go digging to verify

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ivor:

evenin all

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Dagmar:

syslinux is mainly needed when you're emulating the initial image as a floppy drive, sort of

[20:20:46]

Dagmar:

It's annoyingly vague but mainly, if your machine boots from USB, there's plenny of ways to make it complete the process, but it's not as simple as just kicking lilo on there

[20:21:18]

null:

Why would I see a recorded show on one frontend in the 'watch recordings' screen but not on another?

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juski:

bah it's hung looking for USB controllers

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Dagmar:

Yes. That's the fun thing covered in the URL I just posted

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Dagmar:

It takes a bit for the USB controllers to be identified and enumerated, so if you want to do more than just have the kernel light up you have to take special care to *wait* for them

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juski:

the kernel for this should already be patched though.. this is a 'usb' image

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Dagmar:

might be that they didn't include support for your controller in that kernel image

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Dagmar:

You have now reached the very funnerest thing about trying to get a new boot medium working...

[20:25:17]

Dagmar:

...the problem of "How the @#$%@ do I tell what just happened?" when something goes wrong.

[20:25:50]

juski:

course I could always make an IDE bootdisk

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Dagmar:

Yepper

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ivor:

juski: why is it that as soom as you've got one setup actually working you go off and find one that doesn't??

[20:26:02]

juski:

or say screw it & just borrow the dvd drive out of this machine

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juski:

ivor: geek nature?

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ivor:

fair enough

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juski:

busy busy, etc

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Dagmar:

juski: DVD ROM drives are like $20 after all the taxes and whatnot. You should really have a spare one around

[20:26:52]

juski:

Dagmar: I do. both of which are sitting in machines & I barely use em

[20:27:00]

Dagmar:

"spare" means "extra"

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Dagmar:

;)

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gardengnome:

juski: i dunno what you're trying to do, but if you just want get some linux up and running temporarily on the s100: try damn small linux

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sean:

when i try to compile ivtv i get the following error(using ubuntu 6.10): Symbol version dump /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.17/Module.symversion is missing; modules will have no dependencies and modversions. Could anyone help me out?

[20:27:36]

ivor:

nah you offload old dvd drives to relatives

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juski:

gardengnome: I've already got zenslack working, but I want to set up slack from scratch, and it won't let me do that

[20:28:34]

juski:

so I need a boot device that'll give me the bare essentials to load a basic slack, then run setup & install to my usb hdd

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Dagmar:

juski: BTW, I noted a rumor on one of those pages to the effect of EPIA boards are slightly dammnable in the wya they handle USB thumbdrive booting

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gardengnome:

juski: ok, dunno if DSL has got everything

[20:29:23]

juski:

I think there's no alternative but to open the s100 & slap my winduhs dvd drive in there

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Dagmar:

You might want to try booting from a _power disconnected_ state if you're still spanking around with those S100's

[20:29:59]

juski:

why? what'd that bring to the party?

[20:30:10]

Dagmar:

I went through like nine web pages from Google rather quickly looking for something I'd remember, and now i can't find where that was just mentioned

[20:30:16]

juski:

and yeah I know about the alleged epia slow usb booting

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Dagmar:

You know, I really should mention... I gave up _experimenting_ with weird hardware back in 1998.

[20:31:07]

Dagmar:

If I'm going to do something unusual, I do it on hardware I know very, very well first.

[20:31:40]

Dagmar:

Might make your life easier to get a cheap but very generic and Linux-friendly system, just for prototyping

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juski:

I've done this before

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juski:

just not with slack

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Dagmar:

O RLY

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gardengnome:

juski: is it still set to boot from USB in the BIOS? mine tends to forget it...

[20:32:33]

juski:

gardengnome: it starts to boot then the kernel hangs

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Dagmar:

*chuckle* Heh. Sorry I got a little excited there, since I'm installing Slack 11 on phearkitty right now, going to make a frontend for the bedroom

[20:32:46]

Beirdo:

I fucking hate my neighbors

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Beirdo:

this ass has a riced out civic

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juski:

and I can't rightly say nousb now can I? ;)

[20:33:07]

Dagmar:

Beirdo: Do you think they'll all fit in the backyard?

[20:33:30]

Beirdo:

he likes to race the engine all the time and set off his alarm

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juski:

now if my shitty creative dvd-rom drive would read dvd-r disks...

[20:33:51]

Dagmar:

You could set of his alarm for him

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juski:

Beirdo: I hear freak car fires are quite a common occurence in PR ;)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

tempting

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juski:

if only slack had an easily accessible setup binary on the dvd

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Dagmar:

Since the UK has a more reasonable environment, you might be able to find one of those air-zookas for sale somewhere that isn't afraid of lawsuits for eardrum damage

[20:35:31]

gardengnome:

Beirdo: get a riced out tank.

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Dagmar:

They will set off car alarms at a distance, no problem

[20:35:56]

Beirdo:

oh, he sets it off himself

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Beirdo:

every time he gets into the car

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Beirdo:

then he revs the farty engine scaring the shit out of our puppy

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Beirdo:

then he drives the half block to the corner like he's in a race

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Dagmar:

Yes, but I can pretty uch guarantee if you made a hobby of strolling outside in the middle of the nigth and popping his window with the airzooka to set off the alarm, soon he would take care of the problem

[20:37:02]

Beirdo:

Hmmm, I wonder what kinda veggie would be big enough to block his tailpipes

[20:37:32]

Dagmar:

I drove the last poor bastard who lived near me just about insane until he quit screwing with his alarm

[20:37:32]

Beirdo:

if he'd just stop being such a rice-boy dick, we'd get along fine

[20:37:44]

Dagmar:

A hunting slingshot and tennis balls are an awesome force for good

[20:37:52]

Beirdo:

muhahahah

[20:38:03]

Beirdo:

there's a cement fence between me and the car

[20:38:12]

Dagmar:

Every day he'd gratuitously set the thing off, I'd pop it with a tennis ball at least three times that night

[20:38:53]

Dagmar:

I don't suppose you have a window with line of sight, do you?

[20:39:01]

Beirdo:

nope

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Dagmar:

Damn

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Beirdo:

I'm half tempted to make a water balloon catapult though

[20:39:36]

Beirdo:

and it's one of the mega-annoying alarms

[20:40:21]

Dagmar:

EMP weaponry is pretty cheap, but I don't suppose your equipment would like that much

[20:40:31]

Beirdo:

not at all

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juski:

weird that this intel usb controller is giving slack hassle

[20:40:53]

Beirdo:

nor the cars driving by on the highway on the other side of his house

[20:41:11]

Beirdo:

I want an asshole-seeking missile

[20:41:14]

Dagmar:

juski: You're trying to boot *slackware* from a thumbdrive?

[20:41:20]

juski:

Dagmar: yeah

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Dagmar:

Good luck on that

[20:41:28]

Beirdo:

except it might fly to the wrong place if poorly tuned

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juski:

used their usbboot image

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Dagmar:

Volkerding mighht as well be Canadian when it comes to USB things

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** Beirdo frowns at Dagmar **

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Dagmar:

heh

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Beirdo:

don't make me hunt you down with a hockey stick, eh?

[20:42:51]

Dagmar:

Beirdo: What you need to do is encourage more youths to vandalize buildings so that they will renovate their appearances more often, thusly keeping them looking modern

[20:43:03]

Beirdo:

nah

[20:43:05]

Beirdo:

no thanks

[20:43:17]

Beirdo:

I'd rather the assholes would just leave this neighborhood

[20:43:36]

Beirdo:

like the dumbass who drives his 4-wheel ATV up and down the street....

[20:43:41]

Dagmar:

When I went on the subway in Toronto I couldn't help but think, "Wow, these people are really not into public defacement"

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Beirdo:

with his 2-year old daughter on his lap

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Dagmar:

,,,as well as "Why does this feel like 10 years ago"

[20:43:53]

Beirdo:

at about 40mph

[20:44:19]

Beirdo:

heh. Toronto, as much as I hate it, is a quite clean and nice city for a city of its size

[20:44:24]

Dagmar:

Yeah.

[20:44:32]

Beirdo:

but now that Toronto is history for me... YAY!

[20:44:40]

Beirdo:

here's for 85F on Christmas :)

[20:44:47]

Dagmar:

I figure it looks like it's 10 years behind because apparently the lunatic fringe doesn't vandalize everything in sight

[20:45:14]

Dagmar:

Buildings that don't get abused don't need to be remodeled as often

[20:45:15]

Beirdo:

quite likely so

[20:45:18]

slowone:

http://www.apple.com/appletv/ <- can i run mythfrontend on it????

[20:45:33]

Dagmar:

Why the hell would you

[20:45:52]

Dagmar:

No offense, but Apple has their shit very, very together with respect to multimedia

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Zider:

apple, ew

[20:46:04]

Zider:

shit is the word

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slowone:

uh so i can watch mythtv..

[20:46:13]

Dagmar:

...and you can't really buy hardware that would be good for doing that without getting Apple's software for doing it

[20:46:27]

** Beirdo bitch-slaps some Ubuntu or debian wonks **

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Dagmar:

It would probably be simpler to just get the thing to be able to talk to MythTV without running Myth on it

[20:46:44]

Beirdo:

lirc-modules-source... it requires a config file in /etc/lirc...

[20:46:58]

GreyFoxx:

Does that think do upnp? If so we can hopefully get it to work with mythtv

[20:46:59]

slowone:

<- needs a quiter frontend ;p

[20:46:59]

Beirdo:

but it doesn't create it with the dpkg-reconfigure, even though it appears it should

[20:47:31]

Dagmar:

Okay. The thing runs a pimped out iTunes

[20:47:43]

Dagmar:

I would really just do something to make the backend punt files where it can see them

[20:48:21]

Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: Macs are infamous for their local network grabbiness, so it's probably UPnP capable.

[20:48:36]

GreyFoxx:

Sweet, in that case it could stream the video/music/reecordings directly

[20:48:50]

GreyFoxx:

But interesting to find out once people start getting them

[20:48:51]

Dagmar:

I go to coffee houses and I see macs all over doing their happy little discovery protocol stuff

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juski:

bootay from dvd-rom-ay

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CCFL_Man:

but upnp is so crappy...

[20:49:45]

Dagmar:

it'a actually pretty useful

[20:49:51]

GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man: upnp is perfectly fine, and very handy

[20:49:56]

Dagmar:

The documentation for it is like the bat book tho

[20:50:10]

GreyFoxx:

don't be suprised to see a lot more of the mythstuff move that way

[20:50:22]

Beirdo:

wow, that cabbage went right through my system... Excuse the stench.

[20:50:29]

Dagmar:

I'm sure if you look around O'Reilly has probably gotten the people who wrote their Sendmail book something to tell people about UPNP by now

[20:50:30]

CCFL_Man:

isn't a samba share just as good?

[20:50:45]

GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man: upnp is handy for much more than just raw data access

[20:51:02]

GreyFoxx:

expect to see mythfrontends auito discover mythbackends on the network

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Dagmar:

Item #2 on that page... "Sync wirelessly from your Mac or PC"

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GreyFoxx:

and suck down config info from them

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GreyFoxx:

no more configuring a lot of stuff

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Beirdo:

GreyFoxx, the one thing I don't like about that... maybe...

[20:51:30]

GreyFoxx:

but it's all work in progress/concept stuff at the moment

[20:51:38]

Dagmar:

There is iPod sync software for Linux. It's only a matter of time before this thing is fully supported.

[20:51:53]

Beirdo:

if you run two separate backend systems (production & devel), how does the frontend get to choose?

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Dagmar:

Beirdo: Depends on what it's doing

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GreyFoxx:

Well, the discovery as I see it will happen in 2 ways, 1 the first run of the frontend discovers and asks " There are 2 master backend son your network, which do you want to join"

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Dagmar:

mostly it depends on what's in the database for that frontend telling it which is it's _primary_ backend

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

now that would be nice :)

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GreyFoxx:

and secondly if it fails to reach the backend it already knows about it will do another discovery

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Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: Stop it you're gettnig me all excited.

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** Beirdo likes **

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GreyFoxx:

It will happen

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Dagmar:

I'm sure it will. It's too bloody perfect a solution

[20:53:32]

CCFL_Man:

GreyFoxx: i suppose when it's used in open source stuff, just that i don't like it's insecurity

[20:53:41]

GreyFoxx:

In fact eventually you wont even have to expose mysql as the client will suck the data from the backend

[20:53:47]

Dagmar:

Man I can see tonight that I'm going to be reading up on the rendevous stuff

[20:54:05]

Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure I could literally scribble together support for that in two nights

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Beirdo:

that could have advantages too

[20:54:20]

Dagmar:

Avahi would probably do it with no trouble at all

[20:54:23]

GreyFoxx:

I've been playing with getting most of the settings database pulls going through it

[20:54:52]

GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man: Myth has no security now. the backend is wide open if you can reach the port

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** Beirdo is ashamed... **

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CCFL_Man:

GreyFoxx: you mainly going to use it for auto-discovery and automatic configuration?

[20:55:57]

Beirdo:

heh, I didn't even think of looking on the mythtv wiki for instructions on getting lirc running on dapper

[20:56:12]

GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man: Some of it yes, and eventually for almost all data lookups

[20:56:22]

Beirdo:

strange, the instructions there don't use the lirc-modules-source package that doesn't want to work for me :)

[20:56:28]

Beirdo:

I think I'll do what it says

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CCFL_Man:

GreyFoxx: even fir data access?

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Beirdo:

woohoo. the puppy caught a fly. good girl

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GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man: For pulling up frontends settings, pulling back the music metadata when mythmusic is run, etc

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Beirdo:

hehe, sorry

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Dagmar:

You could definitely facilitate discovery through Avahi quickly

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Dagmar:

OOO I think I will be taking a poke at this tonight

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CCFL_Man:

GreyFoxx: ahh, ok, sounds like a good idea to me now

[20:57:53]

Dagmar:

I think I could make this work with shell script. Heh

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null:

Why would I see a recorded show on one frontend in the 'watch recordings' screen but not on another? anyone?

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GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: You certainly could

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GreyFoxx:

null: One is likely got a different filter on the Watch recordings screen

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null:

hm

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Dagmar:

null: Content rating, at a guess

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CCFL_Man:

GreyFoxx: you think myth frontend could run on the linksys wma11b?

[20:58:29]

GreyFoxx:

hit M, hit change filter and set it to All programs

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GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man: No clue :)

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null:

GreyFoxx: but when I select "All Recordings" on the left, it should display all, or not?

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Dagmar:

It won't typically display LiveTV recordings unless you've told it explicitly to

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Zider:

wma11b, sounds line a wifi adapter

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CCFL_Man:

GreyFoxx: intel 400mhz pxa with 16mb ram, uses upnp to grab the os image

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null:

Dagmar: it is a scheduled recording

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Dagmar:

...and you might have different filter settings tehre

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GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man: Not enough ram

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null:

i'll have a look at those filters

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Dagmar:

I dont' touch my filters ever because it's crashing the frontend at the moment

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CCFL_Man:

GreyFoxx: ahh, ok

[21:00:21]

GreyFoxx:

I use filters a lot. Keeps my daughters stuff o ut of my view :)

[21:01:37]

Zider:

haha

[21:01:43]

Zider:

GreyFoxx: not the other way around? ;)

[21:01:44]

Beirdo:

and your stuff out of hers?

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CCFL_Man:

pr0n :p

[21:02:05]

GreyFoxx:

No, I get annoyed sifting through her stuff to find my shows :),

[21:02:17]

GreyFoxx:

My porn is under MythVideo, not in recordings :)

[21:02:20]

Beirdo:

"stupid Barney..."

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Beirdo:

hehe

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CCFL_Man:

lol

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** Scopeuk is happy stargate s10 and 3 respectivley have started backafter the season break **

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Zider:

Scopeuk: WHAT?

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Zider:

Scopeuk: I thought that would be in march!

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Inssomniak:

mythdvd seems to be a dud.

[21:04:44]

Inssomniak:

libdvdnav: FIXME: Implement seeking to location 0

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null:

Dagmar: you were right

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null:

it was set to 'documentation' =)

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Inssomniak:

libdvdnav: Error when seeking

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Dagmar:

heh

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Dagmar:

Weird. MythDVD works fine for me

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Inssomniak:

on one DVD it played the copyright screen, then just stopped

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Inssomniak:

another doesnt play at all

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Dagmar:

I need to figure out where and what to hack to make it stop putting me through those damn previews and warnings tho

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null:

Scopeuk: did they broadcast a show today?!

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GreyFoxx:

Here in canada they air like 4 more episodes after the "break" in the US

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GreyFoxx:

and another yesterday

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Inssomniak:

how do you uninstall a plugin? I did make uninstall, rebuilt with the ones that I wanted, but mythphone still seems to be in there

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null:

GreyFoxx: but they changed the order or something like that, right?

[21:08:48]

GreyFoxx:

Not that I'm aware of

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GreyFoxx:

We normally get the new eps during the US hiatus

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CCFL_Man:

i still really should get an msntv2 and load s100 firmware on it

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quintin:

Is there a program I can use to cut out ten seconds on a DVD?

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quintin:

without having to remaster everything/

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quintin:

?

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GreyFoxx:

I doubt it

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gardengnome:

Inssomniak: remove the .so

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Inssomniak:

where are the .so stored?

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CCFL_Man:

user lbs

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CCFL_Man:

libs

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moh:

quintin: very doubtful

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gardengnome:

Inssomniak: /usr/local/libs/mythtv/ i think.

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GreyFoxx:

Inssomniak: From my source compiled install, they are in /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/l

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GreyFoxx:

Inssomniak: From my source compiled install, they are in /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/

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gardengnome:

Inssomniak: there's also some theme stuff in /usr/local/share/mythtv/ you might want to remove

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quintin:

ooh

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quintin:

actually, I just need to remove a title

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quintin:

that can be done, right/

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quintin:

?

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ShiftyPowers:

guys, is there a way in video manager to batch edit the categories for a list of files?

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ShiftyPowers:

just trying to organize myself here

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Inssomniak:

how do you get to the mythdvd plugin? I dont see any menu entries for it

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kormoc:

install it and you'll get menu entrys

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Inssomniak:

I did

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Inssomniak:

I can see it load too

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kormoc:

try a different theme

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Inssomniak:

cant find any way to play dvd

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Inssomniak:

cd -

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Inssomniak:

oops

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Inssomniak:

so mythdvd isnt really a plugin, its part of mythvideo I take it

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Inssomniak:

there is an "optical disks" menu item and I do recall "play dvd" in there as well as "play VCD" but they are not there anymore, I get import dvd and 2 other options

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Inssomniak:

when I do configure for mythplugins, mythdvd isnt even listed

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Inssomniak:

and doesnt get built

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gardengnome:

Inssomniak: svn trunk? mythdvd and mythvideo got merged

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Inssomniak:

thats what i gathered

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Inssomniak:

I just cant figure out how to play a dvd with mythvideo

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juski:

GreyFoxx: you around? wondering which packages to go for on this install...

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juski:

nm.. gone with some likely suspects

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juski:

if I've missed anything out I can easily just grab some more

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juski:

gah wrong kernel

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juski:

arghh! this usb hub I got for free at work is what's making the kernel hang

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juski:

that's skanky

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sandeen:

ooh can I run mythtv on my apple tv box?!

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** sandeen runs **

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ivor:

juski: hehe.... http://myth.ivor.org/viaex.jpg http://myth.ivor.org/viaex2.jpg

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ivor:

TOYS!!!!

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sandeen:

juski, still a kernel bug... :)

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juski:

wooo!

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juski:

nice ivor

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ivor:

wonder if I'm going to have a "sick" day this week. :)

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juski:

gahhhhhh! I'm going off slackware very very quickly

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Zider:

ivor: cute :D

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sandeen:

juski, if you do how will the other 4 users feel? :)

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juski:

not even gentoo was this much hassle jees

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juski:

fact I think I still have this box's gentoo hdd somewhere

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juski:

but that would defeat the object of trying to get a minimal footprint somewhat

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juski:

btw ivor that's some heatsink there

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sandeen:

juski, I'm slowly whittling mine down by doing yum updates and when it wants to update stuff I don't need I remove it. Sorta backwards I suppose :)

[22:46:47]

juski:

sandeen: tried that with gentoo

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Xanium4332:

yo

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juski:

totally broke it from a config point of view

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juski:

ivor: are those component phonos on the back or audio?

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sandeen:

juski, hmm that's odd. well on mine at leas the rpm deps mostly stop me from doing something stupd

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juski:

sandeen: oh I wasn't unmerging. I was deleting

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sandeen:

looks component

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sandeen:

wow that is a neat mobo... what kind of video is on it, can it do HD?

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juski:

hmm options, options, options...

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juski:

doesn't have to be slack.. maybe lfs, but again I have the problem of getting a kernel which'll boot off USB

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Zider:

the gfx chip can do HDTV iirc, but the cpu is a bit slow if it's a C3, I believe

[22:49:28]

Zider:

could be a C7 tho

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juski:

via have a habit of doing complete decodes in their video hardware, not like yer nvidia 'rubbish'

[22:50:18]

juski:

so you don't need as much cpu

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Zider:

juski: ooh?

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sandeen:

http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/ . . . board_id=450

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sandeen:

C7

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juski:

Zider: that's what I've taken from stuff I've read

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Zider:

sandeen: ahh

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dilano:

Can anyone help with a LIRC install?? <Fedora Core 6 using Jarod's guide>

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** sandeen wonders what one of those costs **

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sandeen:

dilano, what's not working

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sandeen:

not sure I follow

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ivor:

juski: ooh sorry. playing with toys. :)

[22:53:59]

ivor:

juski: yes they're component sockets.

[22:54:05]

ivor:

the spec is: http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/ . . . board_id=450

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sandeen:

ivor, where did you buy it, I don't find it for sale easily...

[22:54:52]

ivor:

sandeen: afraid they aren't for sale yet.

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sandeen:

ohhhh you're special :)

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dilano:

using this command: /sbin/service lircd start does nothing... and loking in the dev folder, lircd does not even show up

[22:55:07]

dilano:

*looking

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ivor:

sandeen: should be in the next few months.

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Zider:

ivor: get me a test sample ;)

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juski:

gardengnome: can you remember if the s100 psu is just a standard atx pinout?

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ivor:

Zider: but you won't have any software to run on it! :)

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Zider:

ivor: huh?

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Zider:

ivor: a hdd with linux? :)

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Xanium4332:

Sorry to jump in, but does anyone know for BOB deinterlacing do I need to get the video framerate and my TV refresh rate exactly the same?

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sandeen:

dilano, let me check my initscript i'm on fc6 too

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dilano:

thanks

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dilano:

I have tried for 2 days now, and nothign seems to work

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ivor:

Xanium4332: you don't "need" to. but you'll get a better picture if you do.

[22:57:33]

dilano:

I know the reciever works, it came from my old VDR setup

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ivor:

otherwise it'll be a bit jumpy occasionally.

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Xanium4332:

I think that's what I need, cause at the moment my picture 'flickers' vertically, if you know what I mean

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Xanium4332:

but my video's at 50Hz

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Xanium4332:

and xvidtune reports my refresh rate is 50.00Hz

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sandeen:

dilano, what does service lircd status say

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Xanium4332:

(thats the most accurate I could get it with xtiming)

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sandeen:

dilano, and are your modules loaded, lsmod | grep lirc

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juski:

Xanium4332: never seen good results with bob without xvmc

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Zider:

ivor: explain what you mean by software to run on it..? :)

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Xanium4332:

how does XvMC help bob

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sandeen:

dilano, lircd start should at least say "Starting infrared remote control daemon: "

[23:00:16]

dilano:

no, nothing

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ivor:

Zider: if you have my sample... you won't have any working video drivers.

[23:00:22]

dilano:

just goes to next line

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Zider:

ivor: no drivers developed yet?

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Xanium4332:

XvMC doesn't seem to work for me either, it just seems to fail and drop back to Xv

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sandeen:

dilano, ok do you have /etc/lircd.conf ?

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dilano:

and sbin/lsmod | grep lirc returns nothign

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sandeen:

it won't do anything if that file doesn't exist

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ivor:

Zider: probably not working yet. no.

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dilano:

no, nothing their either

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sandeen:

ditto for /usr/sbin/lircd and lircmd, they must exist & be executable

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juski:

right.. take 2 at slack install

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Zider:

ivor: darn :)

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sandeen:

dilano, rpm -q lirc?

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Zider:

ivor: so.. what are you gonna do with it?

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ivor:

Zider: never mind... you can't buy one yet. :D

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Xanium4332:

sry, gtg to bed, have exams in the morning

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Xanium4332:

bi all

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dilano:

unning that, i get: lirc-0.8.1–65_cvs20061130.fc6.at

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dilano:

*running

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sandeen:

so you have /etc/init.d/lircd but not /etc/lircd.conf?

[23:03:22]

sandeen:

sounds like you've lost some files from your package

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sandeen:

rpm -V lirc will verify the lirc rpm's contents

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dilano:

yes, /etc/init.d/lircd is there

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sandeen:

if you have stuff missing you might uninstall & reinstall it, and dont' delete those files again ;-)

[23:04:25]

dilano:

well, I never deleted them... I got the rpms like the guide says.. and nothing was working :)

[23:04:57]

dilano:

as seems to be the case for most of what I do... :)

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sandeen:

does rpm -V lirc give you a few "missing" results?

[23:05:24]

juski:

let's just get slack on the hdd.. worry about making a custom kernel later....

[23:05:25]

dilano:

wouldn't bother me so much, but wife likes a "remote"

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juski:

to hell with it.. full install here I go

[23:06:17]

dilano:

doing that command, it thinks for a second, and just goes to the next line... nothign shows up

[23:06:30]

sandeen:

then it thinks it's ok. ls /etc/lircd.conf shows nothing?

[23:06:54]

dilano:

NSFOD

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sandeen:

if you look at the top of /etc/init.d/lircd, you can see that there are several tests done before it gets underway. one of them is failing

[23:07:28]

sandeen:

you can run it with sh -x /etc/init.d/lircd start and see how far it gets

[23:08:38]

dilano:

ok, what would one be looking for

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sandeen:

i'm guessing you're not familiar with bash scripting :)

[23:09:04]

dilano:

no, sorry

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sandeen:

paste the sh -x output into a pastebin somewhere and I'll take a look

[23:09:08]

dilano:

wish I was

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sandeen:

stuff like

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sandeen:

[ -x /some/file] || exit means if /some/file doesn't exist or isn't executable, exit

[23:09:37]

sandeen:

-f in that same sort of construct means "file exists"

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dilano:

ok, lemme hop on to my myth machine

[23:10:59]

dilano:

btw, thanks for trying to help

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dilano:

http://pastebin.ca/raw/311473

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dilano:

^ addy

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wega__:

so i am reinstalling everything and tried to enable auto login on fc6. well now that i rebooted, it doesnt auto login and i dont have the GUI desktop. All i have is the prompt asking me to login and when i do, I stay at the prompt? Anyone know how i can get to desktop to undo what i did for auto login?

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sandeen:

dilano, look at the last 5 lines, do each of those filees really exist?

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juski:

so Apple have a new product with a lower case 'I' in its name.. amazing. who'd have guessed?

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juski:

wega__: startx, maybe ?

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sandeen:

dilano, and are the ones in /usr/sbin executable? (ls -l them and look for "x" in the permissions)

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wega__:

juski, host name lookup failure

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juski:

startx has a hostname lookup failure?

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wega__:

server is already active for display 0

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sandeen:

alt-f7?

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wega__:

thanks

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wega__:

i knew there was a keystroke for it

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wega__:

alt-f7 ftw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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dilano:

lemme check real quick, brb

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juski:

wow. I really am installing the kitchen sink here

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dilano:

first 2 (lircd, lircmd) yes, lat 2, no

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dilano:

*last

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dilano:

those 2 have a rwxr-xr-x

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wega__:

ok now static ip doesnt work on wan side

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wega__:

just needed a dns server

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sandeen:

dilano, what does service lircd status say? ? or did I already ask

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dilano:

command?

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sandeen:

yeah

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sandeen:

service lircd status

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dilano:

is that the command for checking?

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sandeen:

yes

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sandeen:

most initscripts have a status argument

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dilano:

returns nothing "/sbin/service lircd status

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sandeen:

ok how about this for each of those last 4 lines do something like this:

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sandeen:

'[' -x /usr/sbin/lircd ']' && echo yes

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sandeen:

see which one doesn't say "yes"

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dilano:

yes

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sandeen:

i think it's expected that lircmd won't be there

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dilano:

lircmd, yes

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juski:

oh man! slackware really doesn't like this box

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dilano:

last 2, no

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dilano:

no returns

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sandeen:

+ '[' -f /etc/lircd.conf ']'

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sandeen:

+ '[' -f /etc/lircmd.conf ']'

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sandeen:

those 2 both say no?

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sandeen:

er, don't say yes :)

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dilano:

they return no yes or no

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dilano:

just next line

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sandeen:

right. what does ls -l /etc/lircd.conf say

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dilano:

NSFOD

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sandeen:

i don't know what that means :)

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sandeen:

oh.

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dilano:

no such file or directory

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sandeen:

wait you told me it existed?

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dilano:

onle /sbin/lircd* exists

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dilano:

*only

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dilano:

nothing in /etc/ exists for lircd

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sandeen:

oh no I misunderstood, sorry. ok, well, you need /etc/lircd.conf for the thing to fire up

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dilano:

gotcha

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sandeen:

that file comes from my package, lirc-0.8.1–65_cvs20061130.fc6.at

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sandeen:

so I don't know why you don't have it

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dilano:

how do I obtain that file?

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dilano:

or both of those files

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sandeen:

huh my rpm db claims to own it but rpm -ql on the package doesn't list it, odd

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dilano:

cause I will need lircd.conf and lircmd.conf, correct?

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sandeen:

one or the other IIRC

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sandeen:

ok well anyway that file is specific to your remote, what do you have

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dilano:

I can use anything... I got a logitech harmony

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dilano:

I can maybe program my cable remote

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sandeen:

well you'll need to read some more, i can't just give you my copy of that file, it's specific to a pvr 150 remote

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sandeen:

if you can 't make it work, send me your remote ;-)

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dilano:

gotcha

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sandeen:

note, I probably won't send it back if you do :D

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dilano:

so go on to lirc website, then DL the correct working file, right?? and save to the locations specified.. right?

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sandeen:

something like that

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sandeen:

since the harmony is programmable I don't know what "the correct working file" is

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sandeen:

the file contains stuff like:

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sandeen:

RECORD 0x00000000000017B7

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dilano:

yulp

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sandeen:

which is unique to the signal your remote is sending

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dilano:

wish I saved it from my old windows install

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dilano:

I programed my whole remote.... :(

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sandeen:

i'd like to find a nice remote that can control everything that isn't -that- expensive...

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Milosch:

man, why is this nvidia so UNsharp

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Milosch:

i switched from the PVR-350 output to the builtin GeForce 6150

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kormoc:

set the valeus

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juski:

whee changing my mind about slack.. this is pretty spiffyliscious :)

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Milosch:

which values? i have played a bit with nvidia-settings so far

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momelod:

hey people, im soo close to getting my mythbox up. Just need some help troublshooting my playback speed under mythfrontend. the playback of recordings and video seems sluggish, but if i view that same recording with an external play such as vlc, the playback is smooth.

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