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Monday, January 8th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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FRiZzLe:

so this is ok? http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware#Obta . . . the_Firmware

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cesman:

I thought they had another, but yes

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cesman:

looks like that will do

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FRiZzLe:

you guys use ir blaster?

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FRiZzLe:

I have one of those my tv blasters

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kormoc:

I use the MCE blaster, aye

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FRiZzLe:

is there a big delay?

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kormoc:

not really

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kormoc:

takes like 2 seconds to send the full signal

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kormoc:

SELECT, NUMBER, NUMBER, NUMBER, SELECT

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FRiZzLe:

ok here goes gonna continue on with this heeh. can't imagine doing it from scratch

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FRiZzLe:

I tried knoppmyth but that failed miserably

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Zider:

up up down down left right left right B A select start

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Zider:

;)

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FRiZzLe:

ah cool that work? :)

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Zider:

gives 33 lives in life force

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Zider:

;)

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s0medude:

hi

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s0medude:

how do i do this, i am running ubuntu edgy install

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s0medude:

Create the file /usr/share/xsessions/mythtv.desktop

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s0medude:

how do i create file mythtv.desktop

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kormoc:

touch /usr/share/xsessions/mythtv.desktop

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kormoc:

that creates a blank file

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s0medude:

permission denied

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s0medude:

that is the error that i get with that command

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s0medude:

can i chmod the directory for permission

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kormoc:

sudo touch /usr/share/xsessions/mythtv.desktop

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s0medude:

thank you now i will edit it

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Inssomniak:

anyone here using mythtv xbox?

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DVBMark:

I have looked into the XBMC Python script, but haven't fully gotten it to work. Plan is to do the whole frontend on it, but wanted to see that part work first.

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DVBMark:

I got it to show the recordings but haven't played any back yet, and got it to start showing a guide but looked like extra crap in there but haven't looked into it yet. live tv just kinda hung on loading

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Inssomniak:

I was gonna do a full frontend based on xebian or something like that

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DVBMark:

ya that's what I wanna do, just haven't taken the time yet to build it

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DVBMark:

Just a quick question hopefully. I setup a recording when I had 2 tuners, and it used the tuner I was on to do the recording on instead of the free one. I did earlier play with the PIP mode, is that why it just didn't use the free tuner or is that just the way myth works?

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DVBMark:

I was able to exit to the menu and then go back into livetv and use the other tune

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DVBMark:

tuner

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madfactor:

I love mythtv. :)

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DVBMark:

indeed

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Cardoe:

How do I make MythTV record lighter?

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Cardoe:

everything is so dark

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DVBMark:

never messed with any hue settings yet, so far all looks ok, still have to figure out my xorg.conf to tweak things, but other than that records fine, have yet to figure out how to make it crop my cut marks to decrease filesize of recordings.

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DVBMark:

but I havne't spent a lot of time researching yet either

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echosyp:

is there any way to use an ati wonder usb 2

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DVBMark:

alright just brief reading realized I guess you have to setup your recording profiles for transcoding. So I did, not that I have a clue what the better settings are but at least it didn't fail now. So will go from there

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DVBMark:

never used one echosyp but should work fine

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echosyp:

no

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echosyp:

its ati

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echosyp:

and usb

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DVBMark:

I personally use the Microsoft MCE

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DVBMark:

it is supported in linux I know so it should work fine in myth

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echosyp:

no its not

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DVBMark:

umm that's a new one on me heh

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DVBMark:

works good on vdr others have used it, so dunno why myth would be any different

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DVBMark:

all myth cares about is what lircd passes to it

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DVBMark:

and it is supported in lircd

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echosyp:

heh

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echosyp:

ati wonder usb 2 isn't supported in linux

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DVBMark:

ok

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DVBMark:

then why u asking if you know so much

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echosyp:

so far as i know

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echosyp:

idk

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kormoc:

echosyp, so erm, are you saying the MCE remote isn't supported or the ati wonder isn't supported?

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RatRod666:

evening folx, Im having trouble getting myth to give me audio, I have video just fine but am unsure on setting up the audio portion of set up, I have alsa cooonfigured already

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RatRod666:

any help would be appreciated

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Martini:

Would it be a bad Idea to run a pentium Celeron D Processor in my HTPC

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kormoc:

I run one

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kormoc:

not the fastest, but works well enough

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Scopeuk:

kormoc id wager its faster than the celeron in mine

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cesman:

Martini: think about what it is you are going to do?

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Martini:

I'm trying to build one and it's supper hard to try to figure out what hardware I need

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Scopeuk:

what do you want out of the box

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cesman:

do you expect to get an HD tuner?

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kormoc:

do you want to transcode 1080i?

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Martini:

I wanna be able to watch TV, Record TV (simotaneousley), Watch DVD While I record If I chose too.

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cesman:

but in HD?

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Martini:

I wanna a multi tasker

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Scopeuk:

but do you want high definition

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kormoc:

HD being 720i/p or 1080i/p

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cesman:

you'll need 2 tuners

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Martini:

Go that

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kormoc:

Martini, for the two tuners, 2x 150's or 1x 500 is a good bet

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kormoc:

Martini, go that?

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cesman:

think he meant 'got that'

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kormoc:

ahh

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Martini:

roger

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Martini:

What should I look for in a video Card

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kormoc:

a nvidia 6200 or higher would be fine

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Martini:

I know I wan't component out

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kormoc:

so get one with component out

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Scopeuk:

what you conencting to you want componant for?

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Martini:

will 1g of mem due

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Scopeuk:

Martini should do

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Martini:

My TV

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kormoc:

sure, 1 gig is fine

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sandeen:

dammit football keeps messing up my simpsons recording

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Zider:

I run with 512MB, no problems

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kormoc:

Scopeuk, I don't think he entirely understands what HD is

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Martini:

No not realy

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Martini:

I got basic cable right now

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kormoc:

Martini, is your tv a high def tv?

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Martini:

Says it's HDTV Ready

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Martini:

I need to find the manual for it

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kormoc:

Martini, right, so it can display hd signals

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kormoc:

likely 720p

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Martini:

I believe so

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kormoc:

does it have a hdmi or dvi input connection?

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moh:

Has anyone ever heard of an Asus TV FM (saa7133) that doesn't get channels above 61.

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moh:

e.g., channel 62 works fine on my TV and works fine on my pvr150 card.

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Scopeuk:

Martini left conenctor or right conenctor http://www.smelectronics.com/images2/S-HDMI-DVI-1.jpg

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Martini:

You know I don't think it has either, it's been a while since I've seen the back

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kormoc:

too bad, could have used it for full digital

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Martini:

Component, Composite, Svideo,

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kormoc:

so then the questions becomes, will you ever want to have hd tv?

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Scopeuk:

kormoc assumign that the dvi connector on ti has the digital componant conencted

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Martini:

Defitnetly

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kormoc:

Martini, well, those capture cards you have won't be able to capture hdtv

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Martini:

so If I wanna capture HDTV get HDTV compatibel cards

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kormoc:

Martini, the best way (assuming you are in the us) is to just capture directly from the cable box (without a capture card) via firewire, so you would want a motherboard with supported firewire

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kormoc:

Martini, actually not if you have cable. it's an encrypted signal, so hdtv capture cards don't work

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Scopeuk:

kormoc he is in the us

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Scopeuk:

virginia to be mroe acurate

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Martini:

I figure get my self a good base and as I upgrade my services upgrade my computer

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Martini:

I just can't figure out the recources that I need so much to choose from

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lowone:

anyone have a kworld atsc 110?

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sandeen:

lowone, I do, works fine

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sandeen:

remote doesn't

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sandeen:

at least without some hacking

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lowone:

are you running svn? or .20 stock

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Scopeuk:

kormoc and tuners

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lowone:

sandeen: are you running svn? or .20 stock

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sandeen:

lowone, stock .20

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kormoc:

Scopeuk, he already said he has tuners :P

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sandeen:

from atrpms

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Scopeuk:

fari enough

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sandeen:

lowone, but that shoudln't really matter

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sandeen:

kernel would matter more

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Martini:

That's what I was pretty much thinking

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Martini:

Appreiciate the help

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sandeen:

lowone, what problem are you having

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lowone:

sandeen: am just wondering if all the channels i am picking up on it are hd or am i picking up ntsc ones aswell

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sandeen:

lowone, depends on which antenna input you connect

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lowone:

cause picture quality wise it is blowing my pvr500 far and away

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sandeen:

one is ntsc, the other is atsc/qam

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Martini:

Don't forget 7.1 Suround Card

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sandeen:

but it gets -digital- on the atsc/qam side. some are HD, some are not

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sandeen:

though digital SD probably looks better than SD on your pvr500

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lowone:

i only have the qam one pluged in ;p

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sandeen:

then you are getting digital broadcasts; some of those channels should be SD

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sandeen:

and some HD

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lowone:

neat

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lowone:

makes me wish i bought 2 more instead of the pvr500 ;)

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kormoc:

lowone, you can give me your pvr 500 and buy 2 more! :P

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sandeen:

lowone, i'm in kind of the same place, but I don't get everything on the digital side

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sandeen:

like some shows I like on fx, and I don't get that except on the analog tuner

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sandeen:

I do wish I had another slot for another digital tuner though

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lowone:

well i am still on the quest for finding scfi and cartoon network on digital side..

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sandeen:

lowone, I only have basic 1 cable so got only a few digital channels

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sandeen:

but all the major networks come through nicely, plus a few others

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sandeen:

presumeably if I paid for digital I'd get the rest, but probably mostly encrypted too....

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lowone:

landlord of my apt coples does extended basic

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lowone:

complex**

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sandeen:

finding all the channels was just about the most time consuming part of my myth setup :)

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sandeen:

if you get a good channels.conf you might put it up on the wiki when you're done :)

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lowone:

i was planning on it.. after i identifiy a few stations...

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lowone:

i found som digital-sd/hd stations that arent listed anywhere so dunno what they are

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lowone:

(not listed on tvguide, or zap2it)

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lowone:

so will need to go to a friends that pays for comcasts digital box, to figure em out

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sandeen:

yeah my local stations etc were weird, didn't spend time figuring them out

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sandeen:

i can see my neighbors' PPV too :)

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kormoc:

just watch out when they rent Donkey Shows Forever

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sandeen:

hehe

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lowone:

lol

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lowone:

hmm i just found a satatic picture of 3 palm trees

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sandeen:

anyone know what HRC vs. IRC vs. Standard tuning is for QAM?

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sandeen:

I found the same nr. of stations on both, with slightly different frequencies

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sandeen:

figuing which of those I can actually view (i.e. not encrypted etc) was a major PITA, notsure what method I should have used

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sandeen:

IIRC myth's scanning didin't find very many of them

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sandeen:

I got HSN & QVC in digital :/

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sandeen:

and crappy local programming

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sandeen:

but no FX :(

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lowone:

i seem to have quite a few in digital also (includieng every shopping channel, delete) but no fx,scifi,cartoon network :(

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sandeen:

*nod* sounds about like mine

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sandeen:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Working_ . . . 16_-_Comcast is what I got

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lowone:

i still have lots of unnammed channels i cant tune to, but channel scan picked them up as something there.. hmm

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lowone:

110_5 -> 116_10

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Kirrilian:

howdy

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Kirrilian:

i have a strange problem if anyone is available to help

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Kirrilian:

i have mythtv setup on fc6 and everything is working great except for my remote

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Kirrilian:

and everything works on that except 3 buttons

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Kirrilian:

they show up in irw and the keystrokes work

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sandeen:

mapping problem?

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Kirrilian:

i have checked my lirc.conf and lircrc and everything matches everything ive read on the net

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sandeen:

what remote

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Kirrilian:

what do you mean by mapping problem?

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Kirrilian:

the grey and black hauppage

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Kirrilian:

came with my pvr250

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sandeen:

i have the one that came w/ the pvr150.... i just grabbed some lirc.conf from jarod wilson's page IIRC

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Kirrilian:

yeah, thats the one im using too

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Kirrilian:

except his lircrc wasnt right, but there was another link on his site for the right one

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sandeen:

what buttons don't work

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Martini:

I was looking at PS and what the heck do they mean by 20+4 pin connector isn't that just a 24 pin connector

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Kirrilian:

volume +/- and the menu/guide button

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sandeen:

hmm my guide button works, no use for volume here

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Kirrilian:

they show up in irw when i press them though

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sandeen:

GUIDE 0x000000000000179B

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sandeen:

in mine

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sandeen:

for whatever that's worth :)

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Kirrilian:

lol

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Kirrilian:

it is using the remote listing for pvr350 remote

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Kirrilian:

but everything works in irw, just not mythtv

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Kirrilian:

its pretty confusing

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Kirrilian:

is this more of a mythtv problem or lirc?

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sandeen:

not sure

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sandeen:

so I've got my Guide button hooked to the S keystroke... you?

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Kirrilian:

im assuming its a mythtv problem since it shows up in irw and is mapped to the proper keystroke

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Kirrilian:

hang on let me vnc into it

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sandeen:

maybe start with making sure there is ome keystroke on a keyboard that works for you

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Kirrilian:

i have already confirmed that the keystrokes work

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sandeen:

so what does lircrc map to the S (presumeably) key?

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Kirrilian:

yes, the S key brings up the guide/listings

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Kirrilian:

let me pull that up

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Kirrilian:

there isnt one that goes directly to the guide

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sandeen:

ah

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sandeen:

sounds like the problem

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Kirrilian:

my guide key is mapped to F3

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sandeen:

i have lines like button = Guide; repeat = 3; config = S

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Kirrilian:

yea, it looks like F3 doesnt work, i will change that now, but how about the volume up/down

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kormoc:

you could set it via mythweb to jump to the guide

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Martini:

Video Card Question if it says HDTV out will that give me my Component (RGB) out also?

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Kirrilian:

here is what I have for volume down:

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Kirrilian:

begin

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Kirrilian:

prog = mythtv

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Kirrilian:

button = Volume-DOWN

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Kirrilian:

repeat = 3

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Kirrilian:

config = F10

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Kirrilian:

end

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Kirrilian:

that one DOES work with the keystroke

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Kirrilian:

but not the remote

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kormoc:

Martini, usually

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tafryn:

so.. I've hooked up my cable to my myth box, but I'm only getting the first 13 channels. The other (up to 80) are static. Does anyone know how to fix this?

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Kirrilian:

go into myth-setup and change it to us-cable

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Kirrilian:

not us-bcast

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tafryn:

ah

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tafryn:

thanks

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Kirrilian:

i had the same problem :)

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Kirrilian:

actually i would prefer that my guide remote key map to the "M" which is the menu

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Kirrilian:

going to set that now

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Kirrilian:

should i restart lirc after making changes to the lircrc?

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Kirrilian:

brb

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Martini:

Does Myth TV have a FM tunner Option?

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kormoc:

no

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Martini:

thnx

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Kirrilian:

would be nice wouldnt it though?

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Martini:

yeah

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kormoc:

feel free to code the plugin

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Martini:

I could take the stereo out of the living room and put it in the garage. One less piece

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Martini:

I wish I could

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Martini:

I need to learn

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Martini:

Any recomendations for tv tunners?

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Martini:

with remote?

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Kirrilian:

im using a hauppage pvr250

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tcpsyn:

the 150 has a remote too

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kormoc:

Martini, I'd recommend getting a tuner without a remote and buying the Microsoft MCE remote package

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lowone:

how does one switch tunners? 'daily use' seems to imply 'C' does so but it does nothing for me.. punching in a channel on one of the tunners that doesnt exist on the other tuner does make a tuner change happen

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kslater:

Y

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Kirrilian:

does the lircrc have to exactly what irw says is the remote button in order for it to work?

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Kirrilian:

eg Vol+ vs Volume-UP?

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kormoc:

Kirrilian, yes

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Kirrilian:

ahh thats where my problem is then

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Kirrilian:

thanks :)

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kormoc:

Kirrilian, how else can it know?

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Kirrilian:

I assumed it was intuitive enough to know...

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Kirrilian:

you know what they say about assumptions though lol

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kormoc:

Kirrilian, but Vol+ could be Volume Plus or Volume Increase or Volume Incremented...

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Kirrilian:

then it isnt literal

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kormoc:

no, it is very literal

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Kirrilian:

i have Volume-UP in lircrc

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Kirrilian:

and Vol+ in irw

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kormoc:

I'm saying if it would try to guess, how can it know?

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Kirrilian:

regex?

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Kirrilian:

;)

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** kormoc sighs **

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Kirrilian:

lol

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Kirrilian:

im just teasing

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kormoc:

people have way too much faith in computers

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kslater:

boy isn't that the truth

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Kirrilian:

no, i could code an application that matches anything that starts with Vol

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Kirrilian:

but that could cause probs elsewhere

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** Kirrilian shrugs **

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kormoc:

yes, *you* could cause you have an expectation

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kormoc:

the software itself doesn't have any expectations and thus, how could it know?

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Kirrilian:

i always try to make my apps user friendly, unless it is just for me, because i already know what to expect

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Kirrilian:

point of view i guess

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kormoc:

Vol isn't very clear eather, Vol+ could even be use the next logical volume if you really wanted to get it to think ahead

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Kirrilian:

for a remote control daemon?

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Kirrilian:

doubtful...

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kormoc:

sure, with myth's new recording groups, why not?

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kormoc:

you'll be able to define groups to record onto, and even pick where to record what to

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kslater:

any via epia users about?

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Zider:

I wish I had an EPIA

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kslater:

I have a couple of combo fe/be units – trying to work out some HD playback issues

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Kirrilian:

excellent, that fixed it

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Kirrilian:

so for archival reasons, you have to exactly match what shows up in irw in your lircrc for it to work

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** kslater is reminded by Kirrilian that he still has work to do on his universal remote **

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Smeagel:

Hi everyone — I've googled around a bit and looked through myth setup, but I can't figure out if there's a way to permanently cache the scaled mythtv themes

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Smeagel:

every time i start up it takes 30 seconds to scale the theme to 16x1200

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Smeagel:

*1600x1200

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tcpsyn:

thats a good idea

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kormoc:

Kirrilian, the values irw gives out are set in your lircd.conf

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kormoc:

Kirrilian, which you typed in

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kormoc:

Smeagel, there isn't a way to currently

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Kirrilian:

i know, but the lircrc i got which was supposed to work with my remote doesnt, and that is the reason why

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Smeagel:

darn...ok thanks kormoc

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Agrajag-:

Smeagel: it should only take that long the first time – and it only redoes them all if you resize mythfrontend somehow

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tcpsyn:

minor annoyance.

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Smeagel:

agrajag — nope, every time i open/close mythfrontend

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Smeagel:

it does it

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Kirrilian:

thanks for everyone's help

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Smeagel:

and i run mythfrontend on my desktop (it links to my media computer) so that's frequently to watch TV

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Agrajag-:

Smeagel: yeah i get the dialog each time, but it only takes 1–2 seconds once it's done the scaling the first time

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Smeagel:

ic what you are saying, yeah sometimes it's faster

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Smeagel:

but if it's had enough time and all of ram has been swapped out (I'm guessing) it's slow again

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Smeagel:

and sometimes I will start it at 800x600 for a PIP feel

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Smeagel:

so i can work and watch programs

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Smeagel:

do you know if there are any hi def themes? I couldn't find any of those either

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kslater:

there are

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kslater:

see the wiki

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kormoc:

Smeagel, there are a few, blootube is very common

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Smeagel:

k will look again

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kslater:

doesn't grayhem also do wide screen?

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kormoc:

Aye, it does

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Smeagel:

i'll be honest i did a couple google searches, emerged the mythtv-themes package, and then gave up on that idea ;)

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Honk:

where do i have to check for problems if mythbackend is running, but the port isnt open? =)

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kslater:

Honk what does that mean the port isn't open?

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Honk:

the tcp port my frontend tries to connect to =)

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kslater:

separate front-end and back-end machines?

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Honk:

yes

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Honk:

and no :P

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Honk:

2 machines, 1 running back and frontend, one just frontend

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GreyFoxx:

You are positive that the port isn't open AND that th ebackend is running ?

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GreyFoxx:

netstat -antu | grep LISTEN | grep ":6543"

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GreyFoxx:

on the backend

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Honk:

http://pastebin.ca/309926

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Honk:

yes, i am

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Honk:

-l is listen ports only btw :P

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GreyFoxx:

that is not the command I asked you to trun :)

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Honk:

well.. but you can see from my command, that mythbackend is running (connected to mysql) and does not have any port open

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kslater:

seems like you don't have mythbackend listening on the port it needs to

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Honk:

seems like i dont have it listening at all

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GreyFoxx:

Yes, but if I'm going to try and help someone I prefer they do the tests I ask, otherwise steps gety missed :)

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Honk:

right.. and that's why i'm asking how i did that :]

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Honk:

GreyFoxx: i ran that before you asked

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Honk:

i was pasting it already after your first line (just took some time :P)

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kslater:

seems like mythbackend's log file would give you some sort of help

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Honk:

gimmeh a second ;)

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Honk:

any suggestions what --verbose setting might help?

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Smeagel:

this is just a shot in the dark, but do you have iptables?

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kslater:

Honk – how do you start mythbackend?

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Honk:

Smeagel: i do, but it doesnt matter

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Honk:

the port isnt open, it's not blocked

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tafryn:

The text in the guide got really small all of a sudden. Has anyone had that happen to them?

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Smeagel:

iptables has 2 different types of "not open" though right?

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tafryn:

could it have something to do with the fact that I just installed openoffice?

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Smeagel:

ignore and block

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Smeagel:

in all honesty i am no iptables expert, only messed with them a bit

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Honk:

Smeagel: iptables doesnt matter at all

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GreyFoxx:

Honk: You've got X running right ? in acommandline/xterm run this: mythfrontend -G BackendServerIP,BackendServerPort,MasterServerIP,MasterServerPort

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Honk:

i'm not testing if the port is open, i just ask the kernel if there's anything running on that port

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Smeagel:

ah ok, i thought you were doing a scan from the mythfrontend box

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Honk:

GreyFoxx: i'll try

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tafryn:

does anyone know what would cause the text in the program guide to get really small when it used to be a decent size?

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Honk:

GreyFoxx: does need to be run from the masterserver?

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kslater:

tafryn, the fonts changed?

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GreyFoxx:

Honk: I'd like you to run it from both if possible :)

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tafryn:

kslater: I figured that's what happened. Is there some way I can tell myth to use a different font?

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Honk:

errh

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Honk:

i should be worried if the one on the masterserver is just starting the frontend instead of displaying the values, shouldnt i?

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GreyFoxx:

that command shouldn't ztart the frontend at all actually, at least not draw the gui

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Honk:

i do see that on one of the hosts

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GreyFoxx:

I guess I should ask, what version you are running

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Honk:

arrh, just ignore me =)

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GreyFoxx:

oh :

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kslater:

tafryn I'm sure there is

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kslater:

there should be some help for that in either the online docs or the wiki I would bet

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Honk:

http://pastebin.ca/309934

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Honk:

i even posted everything, not just the values in case you'd complain :P

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SlicerDicer:

hey xris you around?

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GreyFoxx:

"http://pastebin.ca/309934

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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GreyFoxx:

"BackendServerIP = server"

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GreyFoxx:

That's not an IP :)

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** kormoc laughs **

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Honk:

true, but that's on the system i dont care about ;)

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kormoc:

I was just bout to mention that

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Honk:

and on the system i dont start a backend on in the first place :]

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GreyFoxx:

Have you restarted the backend recently ?

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Honk:

yepp

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GreyFoxx:

and nhave you used the local frontend since then ?

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kslater:

Honk myth is distributed – master backend needs to be reachable from either (obviously)

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Honk:

kslater: i need the backend to be reachable at all :}

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kormoc:

Honk, so your remote frontend works or not?

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Honk:

kormoc: of course not, the backend is down

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kormoc:

well, you could always use strace and see what's going on...

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Honk:

GreyFoxx: errh.. i had mythbackend crash (out of memory cuz of emerge actually :P). after that i started it again, and the port wasnt open (hence no livetv or recordings)

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Honk:

from either frontend

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm ok

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kormoc:

you've rebooted the box?

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Honk:

actually i did :P

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Honk:

had to move it :/

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kormoc:

check /var/log/messages and make sure it's not being blocked or anything?

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Honk:

"blocked"?

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kormoc:

is SElinux disabled if you use it

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kormoc:

iptables/ipchains

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Honk:

it's not a selinux kernel :P

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GreyFoxx:

for the heck of it try and restart it

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kslater:

or run netstat -anp and see if anything is listening on 6543 rather than mythbackend?

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Honk:

gah, iptables or ipchains block the connection, not the app from opening the port

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Honk:

kslater: i did

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Honk:

<Honk> http://pastebin.ca/309926

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kormoc:

Honk, depends on the app, some detect that it's not reachable and close the port

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Honk:

GreyFoxx: restart what? the backend? i do all the time

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kormoc:

not sure if myth is one of them, but...

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Honk:

the machine? i did a few hours ago :P

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GreyFoxx:

Honk: Right now, restart mythbackend

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Honk:

it didnt help

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GreyFoxx:

then check for listening again

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GreyFoxx:

If it's still not try like kormoc mentions and strace it

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Honk:

i hate reading straces :]

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GreyFoxx:

actually, after the restart, IF it's still not listening grab the last 2 or so lines of your backends logs (if it's not logging, tell it to)

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Honk:

http://pastebin.ca/309937 <-- log from starting mythbackend

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GreyFoxx:

and it's still not listening ?

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Honk:

nope

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chehgarg:

oh my god i'm gonna rip my hair out. can someone help me get mythtv setup for ubuntu?

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chehgarg:

i need to get this stupid tuner card working first

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GreyFoxx:

Honk: Is something wrong with that video0 device ?

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kormoc:

chehgarg, check the wiki

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Honk:

GreyFoxx: yeah, v4l disappeared :P

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chehgarg:

okay, i'll check the wiki, but has anyone ever heard of a device called "EasyTV" tuner card? thats all the info printed on the card my brother gave to me

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kormoc:

Honk, you might want to fix that...

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GreyFoxx:

Honk: I'm wronging if it's getting hung up on that

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Honk:

i just got some messages after that :]

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GreyFoxx:

After my last kernel update my backend would get hung right there and not completely load until I dropped and readded my tuners (major ivtv change too)

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Honk:

but i guess i can try to fix that first

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, you know, mine had the same problem too

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Honk:

GreyFoxx: kk, i'll try that :)

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chehgarg:

hey i have a question. i just need to get the tuner card going... it uses a saa7134 chipset... trying to get it going on ubuntu can anybody help?

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: definately something that shouldn't happen. I can see it not liking it, but it should just warn you or complain and keep going as if it had no tuners

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** kormoc nods **

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Honk:

GreyFoxx: bad coding ;)

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chehgarg:

everytime i try to rmmod to try a different card option i get ... ERROR: Module saa7134 is in use by saa7134_alsa

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, I seem to recall that 0.19 used to work in that way actually

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GreyFoxx:

Noone can anticipate everything

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kormoc:

chehgarg, yes, you need to rmmod saa7134_alsa before saa7134

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Honk:

well.. but that's pretty easy to catch ;)

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GreyFoxx:

Honk: Not really

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chehgarg:

kormoc, thanks i'll tyr that

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kormoc:

Honk, well, if it's easy, we look forward for your patch

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Honk:

using a modular system to seperate video init from networking stuff?

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Honk:

i think it should be, if designed properly ;)

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Honk:

aand.. i didnt have ivtv loaded at all

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Honk:

you were right though, that seems to have fixed it

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Honk:

(d'oh)

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Honk:

geesh, and i'll have to downgrade my kernel again

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GreyFoxx:

I'll take a look at that later, see about making it play nice

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GreyFoxx:

why? No IVTV for what you have now ?

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Honk:

nah, i got it working

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Honk:

(looks like i forgot teh make modules_install while building my kernel)

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chehgarg:

kormoc when i do the modprobe using a different cardset, and it just returns my to the hash prompt... how do i know if it works?

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Honk:

but ivtv is acting up with my new kernel again

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Honk:

(gotta show you a short recording of this, it looks great

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kormoc:

chehgarg, check the output of dmesg

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chehgarg:

ahh thanks

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GreyFoxx:

I always have to redo make install in the ivtv source after amodules_install since it blows away the already isntalled modules :

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jams:

GreyFoxx- you know if it's possible to center the buttons in a DialogBox horizontally?

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Honk:

GreyFoxx: mine doesnt :P

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Honk:

(at least i could load ivtv afterwards and it's (kinda) working now)

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GreyFoxx:

jams: I thought I had done that in one, lemme look

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Honk:

i dont have sound though :]

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Honk:

and the image is distorted badly

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chehgarg:

kormoc i get the same message i did before when I dmesg | grep saa713

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kormoc:

chehgarg, don't grep

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kormoc:

chehgarg, it doesn't remove the 'viewed' output, so that will stay in there for awhile

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chehgarg:

kormoc oh... sorry, i'm new to not having isntall a piece of hardware like this

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kormoc:

chehgarg, so just type dmesg and look at the end

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GreyFoxx:

jams: in my MythPopupBox the buttons appear to be auto centered

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GreyFoxx:

Actually no they aren't

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jams:

what about Dialogbox?

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GreyFoxx:

They are just fulllength of the field so it's not really centered hehe

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Honk:

:]

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chehgarg:

kormoc does this sound successful? [17180979.724000] saa7130[0]: registered device video0 [v4l2]

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Honk:

the sound thingy is unrelated btw :P

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Honk:

that's just some odd setting of mine again

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kormoc:

chehgarg, seems to be, aye

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jams:

maybe I just take a break

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chehgarg:

kormoc so just proceed with isntalling mythtv?

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kormoc:

or test it with tvtime or xawtv

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GreyFoxx:

jams: Not sure offhand, have to poke around in livmyth

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GreyFoxx:

libmyth

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jams:

ok, been looking and didn't see anything. Hoping I just overlooked it

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GreyFoxx:

I can't think of any dialog anywhere that has a button that is centered

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jams:

for Dialogbox they get placed at the bottom of the screen. its ugly

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chehgarg:

tvtime

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chehgarg:

whops ww

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jams:

thanks

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GreyFoxx:

we use them for the dialog boxes, maybe you can sent it to be centered directly

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jams:

hope so.

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GreyFoxx:

or a small patch to add it to the mythdialog class

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chehgarg:

kormoc i got some sort of error from tvtime in my console I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/home/chehgarg/.tvtime/tvtime.xml"

[04:23:04]

chehgarg:

mayeb thats preventing me from viewing channels?

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jams:

learn as I go!

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GreyFoxx:

jams: hehe that;s the best way :)

[04:25:02]

jams:

I get bored quickly with programming, but this one has held my attention

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Leebier:

anyone know what the process is that gets lirc to load the modules? (i.e. lirc_i2c and lirc_serial), they don't seem to be coming on with startup, they are in the modprobe (which I don't think is borked, but maybe i'm missing something dumb), but /sbin/modprobe gets them working fine

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Honk:

sooo.. any idea what's causing my tv to be completely messed up with anything newer than 2.6.17 and ivtv 0.7*?? =)

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chehgarg:

when i do this "sudo modprobe saa7134 card=0" do i have to rmmod everytime, if the first card setting doesn't work? or can i just run sudo modprobe again?

[04:27:28]

GreyFoxx:

jams: I tried the livecd, startup worked well :) I couldn't find a spare IDE cable to try the HD install :)

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jams:

hehe

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jams:

well it's a start

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Zider:

I have tons of spare IDE cables :D

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Zider:

both 40p, 80p and sata

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GreyFoxx:

heh maybe you could center it with some QSpacerItem blank items

[04:30:24]

chehgarg:

i'm not having any luck getting this stupid tv tuner card working

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jams:

not even looking for centered, just not at the bottom of the screen

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[04:33:18]

Sedorox:

say GreyFoxx you still using the MSNTv with myth?

[04:33:37]

GreyFoxx:

Sedorox: Yup, plan to redo it all soon since another new version of the IUEGD drive has come out

[04:33:53]

Sedorox:

really? hm.. I haven't gotten mine to work.. but I haven't played with it too much

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Sedorox:

haven't played since you all got the drivers working with it

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GreyFoxx:

I've got 4 of them around the house used daily

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Sedorox:

nice

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Sedorox:

mine's sitting up at college right now... I think I'm gonna start playing with it again when I get up there..

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Honk:

how do i tell my box to stop recording? *lol*

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GreyFoxx:

go to watch recordings

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GreyFoxx:

highlight and hit I

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Honk:

i tried that before :P

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Honk:

didnt help much ;)

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Honk:

restarting the backend killed it it seems

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Honk:

2007-01–08 05:54:38.553 TV Error: StartPlayer(): NVP is not playing after 20000 msec

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Honk:

:(

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Honk:

errh.. ignore that :)

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Honk:

it's not a mythtv problem

[04:55:57]

FRiZzLe:

you guys know if the output of a pvr350 is any good? or do they seem blurred?

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tcpsyn:

I think it depends on how you set it up.

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FRiZzLe:

I'll have svideo in and svideo out

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tcpsyn:

I think theres problems with the svideo in.

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tcpsyn:

might check it out.

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FRiZzLe:

I just remember when I set it up couple years ago with beyondtv

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FRiZzLe:

and quickly found out that it didn't fully support the 350 hehe.

[04:58:17]

FRiZzLe:

I'm bringin it back alive haha

[04:58:54]

Paladine:

damnit I need someone with a subscription to Ipsos-Reid :/

[04:58:55]

FRiZzLe:

I bet you my next feat will be getting it to control my sat receiver eheh

[04:59:05]

Honk:

gah, this sucks :P

[04:59:39]

Honk:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Troubleshooti . . . t_reolutions <-- ivtv is suggesting to change my capture resolution to 720x576, but if i do that, livetv doesnt work at all :]

[05:00:28]

crudpuppy:

there needs to be a mythalarmclock plugin

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crudpuppy:

lol

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crudpuppy:

that'd be sweet

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Honk:

gah, it's wxh, not hxw :P

[05:02:19]

FRiZzLe:

tcpsyn: so with the pvr 350 i'll have to use coax?

[05:02:27]

FRiZzLe:

for in

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tcpsyn:

just look up on it first.

[05:02:49]

tcpsyn:

I read some stuff about the svideo only recording black and white

[05:02:59]

FRiZzLe:

ew, ok.

[05:03:19]

tcpsyn:

It might have just been a unique problem, I just remember reading something about that.

[05:05:42]

FRiZzLe:

welp I'll hoook er up to tv tommorow almost have it configured, hope this is worth it ahha :)

[05:05:43]

crudpuppy:

wow, ok so plenty of mention of mythalarm but noones done it yet?

[05:06:06]

FRiZzLe:

as usualy getting back into things is always stressful but enjoyable hehe.

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chehgarg:

i've made progress!

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chehgarg:

i got STATIC!

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chehgarg:

can anyone help with me a saa7134 chipset tuner card?

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chehgarg:

using xawtv i got static pulling in a ntsc signal

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Dr_willis:

was it Windows Media Player 10 that had a UpnP client feature?

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chehgarg:

can anyone help me configure this?

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Inssomniak:

anyone know how I can get the mythtv-vid branch? is it like kept up with trunk? (I want to run trunk backend, but mythtv-vid frontend)

[05:30:07]

Dr_willis:

sorry cant help. :(

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Dr_willis:

toying with the uPnp server feature.. geexbox machine sees the MythTV Upnp server. and videos.. but dont want to play them. Bummer

[05:32:13]

chehgarg:

i got video!

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chehgarg:

i need sound though

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lowone:

for qam stuff where does chanels.conf hide?

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juski:

morning

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chehgarg:

can anyone help me get sound off my tv tuner card? ifinally got video

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chehgarg:

it's a saa7134 chipset

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lowone:

modprobe saa7134_alsa ?

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chehgarg:

well to get video i had to do modprobe saa7134 card=7

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juski:

oh have fun with your framegrabber

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chehgarg:

wouldn't the saa7134_alsa remove the first probe?

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lowone:

no its an additional driver

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juski:

no, since it's the module for audio capture

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v juski

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chehgarg:

lowone do i ahve to specify a sound device? like when i configured the card and specified a card

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juski:

yup

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juski:

if you want to use the audio device which saa7134_alsa creates you'll need to stop mythbackend, run mythtv-setup & change the audio device

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chehgarg:

juski it doesn't seem to gimme sound off the tuner card

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chehgarg:

but i have sound systemwide

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chehgarg:

lowone saa7134_alsa yields no sound :(

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chehgarg:

i don't have mythtv setup yet juski, i want to get the card working fine first

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chehgarg:

anyone have any links to a decent how-to on setting up myth-tv on ubuntu? all i see on mythtv.org is for debian

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kormoc:

chehgarg, wiki.mythtv.org

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kormoc:

chehgarg, you likely need to use a sound cable from the output of the tuner card to the input of your sound card

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chehgarg:

you're the man kormoc

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Zider:

so you don't even have mythtv set up, and yet you ask in the mythtv channel? :P

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Zider:

;)

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chehgarg:

Zider, i was havinga tv tuner issue, and the ubuntu channel has proven useless. i'm trying to help a buddy out with this

[05:51:18]

chehgarg:

think they'll be an issue if installing mythtv on edgy, when the wiki has instructions for breezy?

[05:54:12]

chehgarg:

kormoc, that suggestion did not work with the patch cable

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kormoc:

chehgarg, you don't hear it?

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chehgarg:

kormoc negative

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kormoc:

Strange

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kormoc:

that's usually how it works

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chehgarg:

well that sucks for me

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chehgarg:

i got crystal clear video and no sound :(

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chehgarg:

i saw (in regards to sound) someone posted ina forum they did a modprobe saa7134 card=81 tuner=31 oss=1 but i'm not using oss... any of this helpful in aiding me?

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lowone:

after you loaded the saa7134_alsa module, did you use an alsa compatable mixxer to unmute the card?

[06:01:58]

chehgarg:

lowone no, how do i do that?

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juski:

chehgarg: you must be the first person I've ever seen in here getting a tuner working before trying it in mythtv! i.e. doing it the right way :)

[06:02:17]

chehgarg:

juski i'm just doing what seems logical :)

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juski:

heh

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chehgarg:

juski sucks cause after four hours I finally get video... now it'll be another four till i get sound

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lowone:

if you have alsa tools installed, alsamixer is a simple mixer that will do it for ya (cmdline)

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juski:

and #ubuntu wasn't 'AWESOME' then? (the most over-used word in the ubuntu world, ever)

[06:05:12]

chehgarg:

lowone i cranked up everything... to no success :(... woudl the tuner sound be listed in the alsa mixer?

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lowone:

alsa enumerates cards as they are detected..

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lowone:

so if your capture card is the 2nd detected card do 'alsamixer -c 1'

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lowone:

when alsamixer is running it should say saa7134 mixer

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lowone:

when alsamixer is running it should say "card: saa7134"

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chehgarg:

no it brought up "capture all"

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lowone:

lqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq[AlsaMixer v1.0.13 (Press Escape to quit)]qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqk

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lowone:

x Card: SAA7134 x

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lowone:

x Chip: SAA7134 Mixer x

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lowone:

x View: [Playback] Capture All x

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lowone:

x Item: Line 1 x

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lowone:

x

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juski:

whoah there

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juski:

mr floody

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lowone:

yes!

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juski:

use pastebins for more than 3 lines please

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lowone:

ok

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juski:

but good effort anyway :)

[06:09:18]

Rince:

c

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chehgarg:

ahhhhh! on alsamixer -c 2 , and i maxed it out

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juski:

I don't mean to scare you but something you might need to be aware of is that the alsa devices might end up in a different order on reboot – don't worry it's easy to fix though

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chehgarg:

but NO sound

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juski:

well, maybe you need to grab a capture from that device for it to work. tvtime is pretty dumb in that respect if I remember right

[06:11:00]

chehgarg:

you know... mtv isn't so bad without sound

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chehgarg:

i've un muted everything :( do you think i modprobed the wrong thing?

[06:13:29]

chehgarg:

well i tried tvtime, but how i do adjust sound in xawtv?

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juski:

maybe the audio is muted on the tuner card... try plugging your pc speakers (if they're amplified ones) to the line out of the tuner card

[06:14:32]

juski:

eliminate some variables :)

[06:15:04]

chehgarg:

juski, that was my first though

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chehgarg:

but it didn't work

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lowone:

no sound out of the tunner itself?

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juski:

if that didn't work, you're not getting any audio from the tv tuner

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lowone:

v4lctl -c /dev/XXXXX setattr automute off

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juski:

most likely cause of that is a wrong module option or the wrong tv standard is selected

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chehgarg:

this is my setup, edgy ubuntu, using onboard sound of a gigabyte mobo, video going to a 32 inch lcd plasma(he has a wealthy gf), and this POS tv tuner card witha saa7134 chipset

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chehgarg:

lowone correct, no sound from the tuner itself

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juski:

pvr cards are much less painful :)

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kormoc:

chehgarg, is it a hd capable tv?

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chehgarg:

kormoc the tv is, but we're connected via VGA cable

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chehgarg:

juski he's tryign to save $$$, GF is cutting him off

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kormoc:

chehgarg, well, if you are in the US, and they have a hd cable subscription, you can capture off of the cable box direct in HD res via firewire, and the computer itself doesn't need a capture card

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juski:

sounds painful ;)

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chehgarg:

kormoc, he doesn't have firewire I think.

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chehgarg:

hey ummm... i dunno what /dev/xxxx.... i don't know what the xxx is on this box

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kormoc:

chehgarg, heh, well, a firewire card for the computer is rather cheap.

[06:20:42]

chehgarg:

i tried all the dsp's

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juski:

chehgarg: prolly /dev/video0

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chehgarg:

ok video0 brought back to prompt without error, lemme try again.. btw all you guys are awesome for helping out

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lowone:

also this one: v4lctl -c /dev/video0 volume mute off

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chehgarg:

do i have to sudo for these commands?

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lowone:

i dunno.. i run em as root at boot time from a script

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chehgarg:

damn... nothing

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chehgarg:

what the heck am I missing here?

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chehgarg:

didn't someone mention that mythtv will handle the sound from the backend?

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juski:

chehgarg: it's possible that the module options for the tuner are wrong

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chehgarg:

juski... but i got video... do i ahve to find out what tuner settings too?

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chehgarg:

or try other card variants

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juski:

chehgarg: maybe

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juski:

there are literally squillions of framegrabber cards out there

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chehgarg:

crap

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juski:

most are subtly different from the rest

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juski:

I've never seen autodetection work even on old cards

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chehgarg:

there is autodetetcion?

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juski:

supposedly

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juski:

that's the default setting the module uses

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chehgarg:

so just try porbing for different cards? or keep my card number and try different tuners?

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juski:

the latter

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juski:

if the card type is right for the type of card it is I'd have thought you'd be fine

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chehgarg:

how do i see what tuner variants there are? like i found the crad list by dmesg |grep saa7134

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juski:

think it might be a case of use the source

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juski:

anyway I need to scoot to work

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juski:

laters...

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chehgarg:

thanks juski

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chehgarg:

use the source?

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chehgarg:

uh-oh i broke something

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chehgarg:

i'm getting errors when probing now

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chehgarg:

brb guys

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chehgarg:

back. still with no sound

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chehgarg:

I DID IT!

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chehgarg:

I have SOUND!

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chehgarg:

somebody give me a fucking pat on the back!

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** kormoc smacks chehgarg's back hard like **

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kormoc:

good job!

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chehgarg:

kormoc: thank you ::bows:: thank you

[07:10:50]

chehgarg:

even though card=7 gave me video

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chehgarg:

it was card=21 that gave me sound as well

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chehgarg:

i never had to configure alsa or tuner=yy or anything

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chehgarg:

but i do need to do that patchjob so thanks for that :)

[07:15:55]

kormoc:

heh, you're welcome

[07:23:26]

chehgarg:

kormoc watching poker while compiling mythtv... any suggestions, or traps i should look out for?

[07:23:34]

chehgarg:

i'm installing via instructions on the wiki

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chehgarg:

but it specifies for breezy when i'm running edgy

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chehgarg:

anyone have any recommendations after installing mythtv for the first time?

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chehgarg:

to start it do i jsut type mythtv and hit enter from console?

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lowone:

is there dev docs or info on just what the 'fine tune' feild is for in the db ?

[07:34:10]

kormoc:

you need to run mythtv-setup

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kormoc:

and then run mythfilldatabase

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kormoc:

then start the backend

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kormoc:

and then the frontend

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kormoc:

it's all covered in the docs

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chehgarg:

oh so after make and make install do mythtv-setup? my docs didn't say that, they said i was on my own :(

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juski:

chehgarg: nifty. what did I say about the card type? ;) framegrabbers are naught but hassle

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chehgarg:

juski... dude it was card=21 ... for audio/video and card=7 for jsut video

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chehgarg:

pain my ass

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juski:

how many goes did it take to find the right one though?

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chehgarg:

there was an awesome article in a lunux mag recently about setting up mythtv... wish i bought the issue

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juski:

be glad you didn't

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chehgarg:

told me how to do the tivo menu thingy, where i get the tv guide

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juski:

it had plenty of errors

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chehgarg:

i wrote a list of ones with some numbers i found on the card 1311 and there was only 9 matching cards

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chehgarg:

so i only had to gfo through 9 cards

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juski:

I saw it last October.. "browse websites while watching TV" the text next to a screenshot read

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chehgarg:

thanks for the tip on the article juski

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juski:

and FWIW they didn't even use new screenshots

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juski:

just ones they found on the internet

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chehgarg:

juski oh no, this was differentm this was "Mythtv:soemthign something" don't recall the exact title

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juski:

it was definitely Linux Magazine

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chehgarg:

they did a comparison to media center

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juski:

they had a table of worldwise tv standards.. that was wrong too

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chehgarg:

i just recall the specific thing about setting up an account on the tvguide menu channel, the same way tivo does it

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juski:

I wouldn't know how tivo does it

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chehgarg:

that was the only thing i was truly interested in, i wanna make sure this machine has all media related things working for my buddy

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juski:

they probably meant setting up your lineup on zap2it

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chehgarg:

oh btw, i have to reprobe the card whenever i reboot... how can i fix that?

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chehgarg:

zap2it sounds familiar

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juski:

chehgarg: /etc/modules IIRC

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chehgarg:

but i'm rmmod'ing then modprobing, does that matter?

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juski:

rmmodding what?

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chehgarg:

i ahev to rmmod saa7134_alsa then rmmod saa7134, THEN modprobe saa7134 card=21

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juski:

ah

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juski:

so put saa7134 and saa7134_alsa in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist

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juski:

in that order

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juski:

like

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chehgarg:

my friend was asking me, how can I hookup his wii to this

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juski:

blacklist saa7134

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juski:

and

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juski:

blacklist saa7134_alsa

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juski:

and in /etc/modules put the line saa7134

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juski:

then in /etc/modprobe.d/options put a line

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juski:

options saa7134 card=21

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juski:

chehgarg: he can't

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chehgarg:

awesome, done, thank you so much

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chehgarg:

no wii?

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juski:

no game console

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juski:

mythtv records everything in livetv mode so there'd be awful lag

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chehgarg:

but don't we need to jsut run something to the video input?

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chehgarg:

oh

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chehgarg:

sucky

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juski:

nope

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chehgarg:

but even on regular video on linux, not myth tv?

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kormoc:

also, if he's gaming and myth trys to record something, what happens?

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kormoc:

well, that's the thing, myth needs to be running 24x7

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juski:

the wii would be better connected to the TVs component connections anyway

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juski:

waste of a nice big display otherwise

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chehgarg:

well i'm talkign to you, compiling myth and watching pokwer, we figured we can watch the wii instead :)

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juski:

why are you compiling mythtv on edgy?

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chehgarg:

thats the disk he had on him

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chehgarg:

dude... we got the wii working

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juski:

I mean why are you _compiling_ ?

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chehgarg:

using tvtime

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chehgarg:

i was following instructions fromt he wiki

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juski:

there are packages.. and they work well

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chehgarg:

i didn't know that

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lowone:

hd versions of local channels carry the same feed as sd ? (trying to find good xmltvid info)

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chehgarg:

i ekpt asking, everyone reffered me to the wiki

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juski:

http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/

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chehgarg:

so is that better then compiling? i

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juski:

not really

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chehgarg:

i'm trying to vconfigure wioth as much cool stuff as i can i figured compiling from source would be best

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juski:

the packages normally cause a snafu by changing the mythtv mysql user's password to a random one but that's usually simple to fix

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chehgarg:

so... which packages do I want? libmyth?

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chehgarg:

oh and umm i think ubuntu is in 32 bit but on a 64 processor AMD... so do i pull down amd64.deb's?

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juski:

nah 32bit will be fine

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juski:

chehgarg: if you're compiling just carry on with it

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juski:

how did you get all the dependencies for that btw?

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chehgarg:

so i386 then

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chehgarg:

, if compiling doesn't work i'll do it your way, that would've saved me so much more time :)

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chehgarg:

i followed the wiki install fro breezy

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chehgarg:

i'll get the link

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chehgarg:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . buntu_Breezy

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chehgarg:

just followed that

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chehgarg:

so far no issues

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chehgarg:

but not done compiling

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chehgarg:

he's teaching me wii baseball

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chehgarg:

this is ridiculous

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chehgarg:

no sound though, but it's ok

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chehgarg:

ummm juski?

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chehgarg:

need help

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chehgarg:

i ran mythtv setup.. can't connect to my dbase.. you said something mysterious random dbase pw?

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kormoc:

follow the docs

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Blaksmith:

hrm... Myth deleted a few shows that were recorded yesterday that I haven't watched yet!

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Blaksmith:

but kept some from a few days ago

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Blaksmith:

no special priorities

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kormoc:

live recordings or scheduled recordings?

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Blaksmith:

scheduled

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Blaksmith:

I wanted to watch Outer Limits, and it's gone!

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Blaksmith:

hrm... hd space is low too... I had about 30g, now I have 2.5, with only 14g showing in the dir

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juski:

chehgarg: when you install mythtv from source you have to set up the database yourself

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chehgarg:

juski... tips on doing that please

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juski:

read the docs

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chehgarg:

i'm going through the doc... and i'm lost

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Blaksmith:

yep, all dirs are in the docs :)

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juski:

mysql -u mythtv -p < mc.sql

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juski:

whoops.

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juski:

mysql -u root

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chehgarg:

so same command but as root?

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chehgarg:

cuz i was getting permissions denied :)

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chehgarg:

bash: mc.sql: No such file or directory

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chehgarg:

:( whats this mean?

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Blaksmith:

the file is missing

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Blaksmith:

you have to cd to the dir where mc.sql is located

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chehgarg:

ok so thats in databases/ but i still get permissiond enied

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kormoc:

juski, he doesn't have a mythtv mysql user

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kormoc:

chehgarg, try mysql -u root blah blah

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chehgarg:

ok i'm in

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chehgarg:

so now run < mc.sql?

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kormoc:

no

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kormoc:

mysql -u root -p < /path/to/mc.sql

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kormoc:

as one command

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chehgarg:

ummm why won't it accept my root pw?

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chehgarg:

any ideas?

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lowone:

can one assign a priority to an channel set? or just a tunner? (ie same channel, but i have hd, sd-digital, sd-anolog feeds)

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kormoc:

chehgarg, try no password

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chehgarg:

scary that that worked

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chehgarg:

but what happens from here... what did i even jsut do?

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kormoc:

you just created the mythconverg database and created the mysql mythtv user

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Blaksmith:

try mythtv as your root pw

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kormoc:

now run mythtv-setup

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Blaksmith:

oh

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** Blaksmith is late on the reply lol **

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Blaksmith:

lookin for used hd space lol

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kormoc:

du -h is your friend

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Blaksmith:

du -sh > textfile is a better friend heeh

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Blaksmith:

ok, maybe without the s at times hehe

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Blaksmith:

but after, a good cat textfiles | grep 0G (or whatever G) to find where lol

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kormoc:

you know

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kormoc:

grep 0G textfile

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kormoc:

works the same as cat textfile | grep 0G

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Blaksmith:

ahh cool nice little shortcut

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kormoc:

also allows you to do magic such as

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kormoc:

grep -r string /directory

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kormoc:

will search every file in /directory for string

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Blaksmith:

ya, that one I have used in the past :)

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kormoc:

adding in -n will give you the line number of the match as well

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Blaksmith:

comes in VERY handy

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kormoc:

aye

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chehgarg:

ACK! it says failed to open card, but i was jsut using the card in tvtime

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chehgarg:

and the /dev/video0 is the same

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chehgarg:

when i configured the video source

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juski:

is tvtime still open?

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kormoc:

you have tvtime open?

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chehgarg:

and whats this xmltv thingimijig

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chehgarg:

i closed tvtime

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kormoc:

is the backend running as root?

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chehgarg:

i never started any backend

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chehgarg:

i jsut ran the .deb package i made after compiling the source

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chehgarg:

hey this ois not cool. it says to check console when I get an error, scanning for channels.. i go to console and see no error

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chehgarg:

i'm lost. i killed tvtime, i even restarted mythtv-setup to amke sure and let it know tvtime was not using the card, but mythtv fails to use the tuner

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chehgarg:

got this running mythtvbackend : Error: Problem finding starting channel, setting to default of '3'.

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chehgarg:

ERROR: no valid capture cards are defined in the database.

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chehgarg:

as in a different theme but i didn't type in any different sort of command or anything

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PointyPumper:

have u configured:

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PointyPumper:

-a capture card

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PointyPumper:

-a data source

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PointyPumper:

-a list of channels for that data source

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PointyPumper:

?

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PointyPumper:

uhm, anything else?

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chehgarg:

capture card is configured, and i registered with zap2it

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chehgarg:

as for datasource.. do you mean config the dbase?

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chehgarg:

kormoc you think that this POS video card... i'd use the default selection of analog v4l card right?

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chehgarg:

dpkg removed it... trying the apt-get version of it

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chehgarg:

brb

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stuarta:

morning all

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juski:

morning stuarta! welcome back

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stuarta:

hiya juski!

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stuarta:

EINSUFFICIENTHOLIDAY

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juski:

you're kidding...

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stuarta:

nope. 2 weeks in Australia isn't enough

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juski:

watch much cricket then? or was there no point? ;)

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stuarta:

of course, went to day 3 at the SCG

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stuarta:

good day to go, 11 wickets fell

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juski:

they could have just replaced the coverage with a ticker

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juski:

"england are still losing"

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stuarta:

warney & mcgrath's last innings

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** stuarta starts on the email backlog :( **

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juski:

you missed the announcement of a new theme with a 'cute' little animated cgi dude. quite a spiffy theme but I'm not sure about the little dude

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Merlin83b2:

Welcome back stuarta.

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stuarta:

tnx Merlin83b

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chehgarg:

ugh, progress but not stuck yet again

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chehgarg:

not it's saying i can't watch tv because it can't connect with my IP or soemthing... isn't 127.0.0.1 good enough? thats what it was by default

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juski:

I'd guess that there's no backend running

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juski:

/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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juski:

oh wait I bet you don't even have an init script yet

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chehgarg:

juski, help! :)

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chehgarg:

what should I do

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chehgarg:

hey none of these install files have told me to fill the dbase yet

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** stuarta contemplates suggesting RTFM **

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chehgarg:

btw juski, i uninstalled the compile from source and jsut apt-get'd it

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juski:

right so now you have libs in /usr/local/lib AND /usr/lib

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chehgarg:

oh and juski, the new problem, as i've over come the video source thing and all, is now it says it can't connect to my ip, but i'm using the default 127.0.0.1

[09:56:38]

chehgarg:

juski probably, but i told it to purge when i dpkg

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juski:

you're rushing it and not reading the docs, or not reading the right docs

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chehgarg:

before i apt-get'd of sourse

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chehgarg:

course*

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juski:

step1.. install mythtv

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juski:

step2 run mythtv-setup

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juski:

step3 run mythfilldatabase

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juski:

step4 start mythbackend

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stuarta:

step0 rtfm

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juski:

see the ubuntu wiki on mythtv for tips too

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chehgarg:

whoa... mythfilldbase provided a new error

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chehgarg:

telling me my dbase is not open?

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chehgarg:

okay will do

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juski:

mythtv was never got working in a hurry

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juski:

less haste :-)

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chehgarg:

juski: followed some of the ubuntu wiki for the dbase setup. set the pw, flush privileges and such, then it tells me to run mythbackend to test, and i get the same error. any suggestions, the wiki just assumes everything works fine and mvoes on

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juski:

chehgarg: look in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt to find out what the mythtv mysql user's password is

[10:10:21]

chehgarg:

it's this random thing that i did not set

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stuarta:

that's security for you

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chehgarg:

is it safe to just manually modify since i have it open in an editor?

[10:11:51]

juski:

that won't actually change the password

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stuarta:

you'll have to set it the same within mysql as well

[10:12:44]

juski:

if there's no password on the mysql root user by default, WTF is the point setting one for the mythtv mysql user?

[10:13:34]

juski:

I think the mythtv-database package should _ask_ the user what to set the password to (and recommend 'mythtv' but tell them it's less secure)

[10:14:50]

chehgarg:

i agree

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juski:

not that it makes any difference since I won't be an ubuntu user forever

[10:15:15]

chehgarg:

i'm a straight debian user myself... but thats a different story

[10:15:16]

juski:

got my frontend back to minimyth the other day

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juski:

yeah btw stuarta apparently now minimyth runs mythfrontend as an unprivileged user & playback is FINE

[10:15:51]

chehgarg:

ok so i'm following these mysql setup isntructions on setting apssword for 'mythtv'; flush privileges and such... still no change

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juski:

chehgarg: then change all occurences of the file mysql.txt to reflect the new password

[10:16:18]

chehgarg:

that /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt was not affeceted

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chehgarg:

okie doke

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juski:

debconf writes that file

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chehgarg:

ahh i was doing it by hand

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chehgarg:

i didn't know that

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chehgarg:

how do i do it via debconf?

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juski:

YOU don't

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juski:

when you changed the mythtv mysql user's password, any text files containing mysql usernames & passwords – BY DEFINITION would not be affected

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juski:

the script which installs mythtv-database uses debconf to change the mysql mythtv user's password to a random one & write it to /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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juski:

now, when you change the mythtv mysql user's password, you need to update mysql.txt files to relfect the change

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chehgarg:

hey juski ... see i'm horrible with dbase stuff.... i'm getting : QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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chehgarg:

i configure the pw and the user

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stuarta:

is mysql running?

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chehgarg:

yes i restarted it

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juski:

chehgarg: check you can log into mysql as the mythtv user with the command

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juski:

mysql -u mythtv -p

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juski:

if it accepts the password you set earlier, all you need to do is tell mythtv to use that password

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chehgarg:

i can login

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chehgarg:

i ran show databases; and see information_schema and mythconverg

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juski:

good

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juski:

exit

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stuarta:

so check *all* your mysql.txt files

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juski:

locate mysql.txt

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juski:

or slocate mysql.txt (IIRC)

[10:29:30]

juski:

doing good today... 10.30am, helping a complete noob. not yelled or swore once. what's the smiley for a halo again?

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chehgarg:

got nothing, lemme try updatedb first

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chehgarg:

juski... you are super patient, thanks

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stuarta:

bah, just use find / -name mysql.txt -print

[10:30:02]

juski:

oh yeah I'

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juski:

yeah I'll just bottle it up & up & up then have a bad day like saturday

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** stuarta suspects the saturday channel log may prove interesting reading **

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juski:

almost deleted my entire online being on saturday. who needs a blog anyway?

[10:32:16]

juski:

hey guys! I went to the toilet & it was awesome!

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chehgarg:

ok foudn them all and made sure all have the same username and password

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chehgarg:

juski well the first four hours was messing around with the stupid 99 cent capture card i got hold of :)

[10:34:06]

juski:

hey rsdvd

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rsdvd:

Hi Juski – just the man I wanted

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chehgarg:

so now that all the mysql.txt files have all the suer crap in common, do i try running mythbackend again?

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juski:

oh gawd

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chehgarg:

oh shit

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rsdvd:

I have just go a S100 box, and I was going to print off the bits from your page to give me a head start, but you seem to have taken your page down?

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juski:

chehgarg: make sure mythbackend isn't running

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juski:

and run mythtv-setup

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juski:

rsdvd: ah

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juski:

sod's law

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rsdvd:

is ther any chanceI could have a copy?

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juski:

rsdvd: email me & I'll sort you out

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rsdvd:

juski : where will I find your email address?

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juski:

in your chat window ;)

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juski:

rsdvd: can you solder?

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juski:

first thing you need is a vga cable

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juski:

or you won't be doing much with it

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chehgarg:

juski ran it.. and it ran well. much more thorough on the channel scanning... not sure if that matters

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rsdvd:

juski – yes – I can solder (not perfectly ) but enough to cope.

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rsdvd:

you helped me make my lirc recievers and they all work so my soldering can't be too bed :-)

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juski:

rsdvd: you need a usb keyboard too, or you'll need to make a ps2 keyboard cable aswell

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rsdvd:

I was planning to either make the PS2 connector or use a usb->ps2 adapter (which I already have)

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juski:

ah cool

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chehgarg:

juski after i run the cron.daily thing... what do you advise?

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stuarta:

use the adapter, its easier

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rsdvd:

stuarta : just a matter of whether it will work

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chehgarg:

on it

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rsdvd:

juski – I will stick to the usb then

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juski:

wish I'd had a usb keyboard when I started

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juski:

or at least that I'd known to unplug the front panel!

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juski:

ah and be VERY careful of the PSU.. at least one of the heatsinks is LIVE

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rsdvd:

lol.....sounds easier with a usb keyb.....you don't even need it once you are set up

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rsdvd:

ouch.....

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juski:

and holds charge when the power's off

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rsdvd:

how did you find that out :-)

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stuarta:

live heatsinks sounds like pisspoor design to me

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juski:

can't be that bad though – I mean I'm still here

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rsdvd:

:-)

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juski:

stuarta: not at all

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juski:

your telly's chassis is usually live

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juski:

so long as the UL lot approve, it's all good – and they're pretty strict

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stuarta:

true, been a while since i did my electronics

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juski:

you're not supposed to take the things to bits ;)

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doc_:

hi there :)

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stuarta:

i can't be bothered pulling things apart that much anymore

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juski:

heh

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juski:

hi doc_

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stuarta:

my email queue is going to take a while... :-/

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rsdvd:

stuarta : you have to pull things apart – or you will never find new things to play with :-)

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stuarta:

oh, i still do, just not down to chip level :)

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rsdvd:

juski : what is wrong with your epia ?

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juski:

WAS wrong

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rsdvd:

sorry – 'prolonged the life' sounded life it was dieing

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juski:

I went over to the dark side (ubuntu) which was better but nastily huge & bloated. and slow at booting

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juski:

and kept forgetting its alsa config

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juski:

and crashed

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rsdvd:

I gave up and added a harddrive to mine and used MythDora

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juski:

but 0.20–21 minimyth is nice again. apparently changing mythfrontend to run as a non-root account has made all the difference.

[11:00:19]

juski:

I dunno enough about linux to reckon why that might be the case

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stuarta:

ah, that sounds like the realtime priority stuff causing priority inversions

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juski:

I found it better with RTP turned off but not great

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qu0zl:

setting it rtp probably meant to was hogging resources needed for other processes like X or the backend

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qu0zl:

which of course it shouldn't have been, but meh...

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juski:

priority inversions eh?

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** juski looks at something passing overhead **

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qu0zl:

hehe

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juski:

it was either that or the dilithium crystals in the case were running low

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stuarta:

it's a classic problem relating to multithreaded programs :-P

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** stuarta observes a passing spacial phenomenon **

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juski:

I could've sworn I checked & unchecked 'use realtime priority' more than once but anyway..

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chehgarg:

hooray it was working

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chehgarg:

it takes up basically the whole gig of ram to process the video

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chehgarg:

but it was working

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chehgarg:

then i went and tried to config some video palyback settings to ease the stress... and now i get no video :(

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chehgarg:

but i did notice i had no sound

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juski:

'free' is a liar ;)

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chehgarg:

stupid fucking cat unplugged my sound

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chehgarg:

that solves that

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qu0zl:

haha

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juski:

plug the cat in

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qu0zl:

that'll teach it

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chehgarg:

yeah in the ass with my foot

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chehgarg:

now i gotta get video back

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chehgarg:

anyway to load like... default settings?

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qu0zl:

chehgarg, like juski was saying, the 'free' command or top or whatever will tell you you're using all your ram in most situations on a linux box. Check how much it says is cached as that's really free memory it's just using to speed up the file-system

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qu0zl:

oh, and 'buffers' as well

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chehgarg:

oh i didn't know that was what juski was talking about

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chehgarg:

but i was going by what the utilities thing in mythtv said

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chehgarg:

said i was using 956 of 1000M

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chehgarg:

oh and i got video back up on mythtv... but I still have no sound... and the cat is nowhere around

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juski:

just got one of them spammy 'warning' emails

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juski:

bloody waste of bandwidth

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qu0zl:

that's the same chehgarg , a linux pc uses almost all it's memory almost all the time, so don't worry about seeing values like that

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qu0zl:

just double-check with the free command to see it really is in buffers/cache

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juski:

unlike windowsm which claims to be using only 90M when it's opened another 200GB swap

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chehgarg:

oh and it's not reading my legitimate dvd i popped in. do I ahve to mount the dvd-rom first, even though ubuntu is supposed to be "linux the msart way"

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stuarta:

did you install mythvideo?

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juski:

chehgarg: ubuntu won't play 'legit' DVDs out of the box

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qu0zl:

i don't think ubuntu comes with libdvdcss

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chehgarg:

not worried about the ram... i did my part for this kid... it works... excepts for sound, the rest is for him to figure out

[11:18:20]

qu0zl:

which you need to decrpt them

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juski:

it won't play mp3s either. or encode them

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juski:

it's crippled

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stuarta:

there's a script in /usr/share/doc/??? that downloads the libdvdcss lib for you

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qu0zl:

cool, didn't know that stuarta

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stuarta:

i am assuming they've kept that from debian :)

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juski:

first thing I always do on Umbongo is disable the 'user is a retard' stuff

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chehgarg:

so even though i went and installed the debs for libdvdcss... i gotta do further configs?

[11:23:19]

chehgarg:

i mean myth tv didn't even try to read the optical drive

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stuarta:

chehgarg: did you install mythvideo?

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juski:

mythdvd & mythvideo are needed for dvd playback

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chehgarg:

both are isntalled

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chehgarg:

anything in apt-cache that said myth in it i installed

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juski:

configured?

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chehgarg:

and i double check to make sure those were lsited before i replied to you guys

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chehgarg:

I took a peek in mythtv and everything seemed configured ok

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juski:

as in have you gone into the settings menus & determined whether stuff is set to sensible values yet? such as.. dvd drive location....

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chehgarg:

i think i have to mount the drive first

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juski:

umbongo does automount by default

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chehgarg:

i'm going to double check before i look like a retard

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chehgarg:

whats umbongo?

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juski:

bunty

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Merlin83b:

Heh

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Merlin83b:

Some aversion to using it's real name, even when a false name has caused confusion already :)

[11:28:31]

stuarta:

!trout BBC useless eit monkey

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** MythLogBot slaps BBC with a useless eit monkey trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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juski:

woo long time no trout

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stuarta:

whoever is putting in the program info for BBC7 needs shooting

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stuarta:

i'm testing the series link stuff for the EIT data

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stuarta:

and they've given the repeat of an episode a different programid!!!

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stuarta:

eediots.

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juski:

whoops

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Merlin83b:

Heh

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juski:

maybe they don't know what they're supposed to be doing yet

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stuarta:

so of course, myth wants to record them both.

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stuarta:

*yet*??? they never have

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stuarta:

never will at the rate they are going.

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chehgarg:

brb, gonna switch users... i think that may be an issue, mayeb this user doesn't have access tot he dvdrom

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juski:

I have high hopes for that 'playback' stuff. be fantastic if it ever works

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chehgarg_:

okay back

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stuarta:

i'll be happy if we can use it to get the EIT data to approximate the RT stuff

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stuarta:

it's 97% good, i review regularly what it wants to record.

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Merlin83b:

Yep, same here.

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Merlin83b:

Wait for a slow moment at work, log into mythweb :)

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stuarta:

yup :)

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juski:

I always check my upcoming recordings daily

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juski:

something to do with my distrust of ubuntu staying up

[11:39:02]

** stuarta -> 11:38:38 up 52 days, 13:26, 18 users, load average: 0.57, 0.54, 0.35 **

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stuarta:

my machine only goes down when I reboot to test kernels & distros.

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juski:

11:39:37 up 7 days, 9:28, 6 users, load average: 0.11, 0.19, 0.17

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chehgarg_:

woo-hoo dvdplayback

[11:40:02]

chehgarg_:

i was right about user permission on devices

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juski:

give yourself a Blue Peter badge

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chehgarg_:

so i'm test recording something really quick

[11:40:28]

chehgarg_:

the heck is a bluepeter badge?

[11:40:39]

chehgarg_:

a pat on the back and a pint is fine

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juski:

nice of you to buy us all a pint. cheers!

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stuarta:

you're buying!

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chehgarg_:

ok, so if i set recordings in mythfrontend, but then exit out of it... it should still record because backend handles all that... right?

[11:41:43]

stuarta:

ding ding. we have a winner

[11:42:02]

chehgarg_:

awesomeness, just wanna makesure i get this all right. i have to explain it to the kid

[11:42:29]

juski:

what is it with the over-use of the word 'awesome' these days?

[11:42:45]

juski:

does it really take so little to induce awe?

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chehgarg_:

now that i have the basics, dvd playback, basic recording and such... any simple tips anybody want to offer or show?

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chehgarg_:

in this gloomy country i'm in... anything with a glimmer or success deserves some awe

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chehgarg_:

of* not or

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chehgarg_:

the funny thing is... the kid loves windows, and we couldn't get it the tuner card working for him on windows... he was amazed that it worked on linux instead.

[11:47:02]

chehgarg_:

how well does the commercial skip feature work? is it worth it to enable it?

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stuarta:

depends where you are. generally somewhere between 0 – 100%

[11:47:33]

qu0zl:

depends on your country chehgarg_, it's worth trying out at least

[11:48:07]

qu0zl:

you can set it to tell you about a commercial flag when it reaches it and then choose to press the skip commercial button, instead of having it auto-skip if it's not 100% reliable

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[11:49:24]

chehgarg_:

well i'm based in new york, his machine is out on the island... anyone from there know at all. i mean i'll test it, i was just looking at what to look forward to

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stuarta:

ah US, 80–99% then

[11:51:49]

chehgarg_:

cool i'll enable it. anythign worth doing to get a bit better video quality or reduce file size or anything to streamline it?

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juski:

get a pvr150 card or something digital

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chehgarg_:

yeah he's going to save up for one. i thought there was something i could do in the meantime

[12:01:26]

chehgarg_:

thanks so much btw juski.. and everyone else who pitched in

[12:01:47]

chehgarg_:

i got everything... and despite everyone here telling me to giveup... it's running

[12:02:06]

juski:

you must have been hearing voices

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stuarta:

we encourage, not discourage

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stuarta:

admittedly sometimes with a large trout

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juski:

or cattle-prods

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stuarta:

or a bit of 4 by 2

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chehgarg_:

no not you guys discouraging, i meant the people here with me ... physically

[12:03:51]

** stuarta hands chehgarg_ the cattle prod **

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chehgarg_:

they're sleeping now too... it'd be pretty funny to do thta...::cattleprod::

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juski:

who the hell changed my avatar back to Dr Evil?

[12:24:53]

Scopeuk:

appropriate hey?

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stuarta:

maybe it changed back when you were being evil?

[12:25:19]

Scopeuk:

or maby one of your laser sharks did it

[12:25:41]

juski:

maybe it happened when I banned myself from the forums

[12:25:58]

stuarta:

that's a bit silly

[12:26:24]

juski:

yup

[12:26:46]

juski:

had to go as far as banning my own IP address to do it though – wasn't having me ban my own username

[12:27:17]

** stuarta suspects juski is crazy **

[12:27:35]

juski:

not quite a job for care in the community

[12:27:43]

juski:

not yet anyway. gimme another year

[12:28:24]

** Scopeuk is glad ntl havent outsourced there enginers yet **

[12:28:47]

Scopeuk:

he turns up i tell him the psu is dead he gives me one job done

[12:28:55]

Scopeuk:

the phone call to report it to 10 tiems longer

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Scopeuk:

bloody crappy outsourced tech suport

[12:29:18]

juski:

I reckon we're gonna sack NTL – at least for the telly

[12:29:40]

Scopeuk:

yeh those stbs suck ass

[12:29:45]

juski:

the guide on the STB keeps screwing up big style

[12:29:52]

Scopeuk:

yeh

[12:30:02]

Scopeuk:

i like my cable net thoguh

[12:30:02]

juski:

ring em up & they give you "have you tried switching it off & back on again?"

[12:30:12]

Scopeuk:

i know its painful

[12:30:27]

stuarta:

but there network speed is good isn't it?

[12:30:27]

juski:

of course that DOES fix the problem but you're pissed off that it's now happening every bloody day

[12:30:38]

Scopeuk:

have a mate with adsl who was put on heavy user becouse he downloaded overa gig during peek hurs on 3 seperate occasions

[12:30:52]

Scopeuk:

now its that unstable during peek hours messenger wont stay signed in

[12:30:54]

juski:

my 4Mb is better than my dad's (up to) 8Mb

[12:31:06]

Scopeuk:

my 2 meg is rock solid

[12:31:14]

juski:

upload pipe is pitiful though

[12:31:18]

Scopeuk:

yup

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stuarta:

just need a provider who doesn't suck

[12:31:54]

Scopeuk:

yeh there isent one

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stuarta:

there are a few, though tiscali is slowly taking over and breaking the smaller ones

[12:32:39]

stuarta:

i'm currently sitting on a nice solid 5.9Mb

[12:32:49]

Scopeuk:

yes and tiscally are the ones responsabe for that tragedy

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Neeesat25:

Hello

[12:33:02]

juski:

anyway.. I'm not mad. just can't take schtick about my SKINZ

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stuarta:

30Mb backhaul for 1000 customers. you do the math...

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Neeesat25:

dmesg give me: dvb-ttpci: StartHWFilter error buf 0b07 0010 0117 b96a ret 0 handle ffff

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Scopeuk:

fairly standard

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rsdvd:

juski : silly question : this S100 box.....is the flap on the front supposed to open?

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Neeesat25:

Anyone knows why?

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juski:

rsdvd: not without modification-ifying, no

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stuarta:

problem is tiscali are the major non BT LLU provider

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juski:

rsdvd: put it this way there's nothing fun behind there

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rsdvd:

good.....I thought mine was stuck :-) I expected it to have something underneath – glad I did not force it now

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stuarta:

Neeesat25: it's a kernel mesg from the driver, so try #linuxtv

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Neeesat25:

Thanks

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janneg:

Neeesat25: it shouldn't be a problem. the backend tried to open more pid filters than available

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Neeesat25:

Oh so ignore it

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Neeesat25:

ok thanks

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stuarta:

janneg: how things been while i've been away?

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janneg:

it was rather silent. Dibblah found an error in the discontinuity handling you introduced. Daniel has already reverted it. http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/11334

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stuarta:

yeah saw that. though that fixed another problem, so i'll have to look at the details some more

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janneg:

the only thing that might make sense is to purge the incomplete packet for that pid in streamdata

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Neeesat25:

Where can I post a bug for dvb code?

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stuarta:

iirc that's what i was attempting to do.

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stuarta:

but clearly the fix wasn't right

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juski:

oh gawd

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juski:

Neeesat25: did someone in #linuxtv say the messages you saw were a bug in mythtv ?

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stuarta:

no juski

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Neeesat25:

no

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stuarta:

"feature" :)

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janneg:

Neeesat25: I think we won't merge bug :) at least not knowingly

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janneg:

bugs actually

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juski:

don't think anyone _willingly_ puts bugs in code do they? anyway...

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janneg:

Neeesat25: svn.mythtv.org/trac/. choose dvb as component

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Neeesat25:

well it's a problem that is been confirmed with some other people too thta uses DVB-S on encrypted channels

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juski:

Enonicotine'

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stuarta:

Neeesat25: what problem are you seeing?

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janneg:

Neeesat25: what is the problem. you might want to look if ticket 2874 solves the issue

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Neeesat25:

When tuning on an encrypted channel I get: ERROR WAS ENCOUNTERED WHILE DISPLAYING VIDEO

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Neeesat25:

Backend can not comunicate with frontend sending video

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Paladine:

man I hate capturing from a dvcam via firewire, it takes so damn long

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stuarta:

you have a subscription to those channels?

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janneg:

Neeesat25: do you have subscription for that channel

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Neeesat25:

which is correct but souldn't have a fix in those cases?

[12:48:38]

Neeesat25:

yes

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Neeesat25:

but some times my card needs update and takes some time

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Neeesat25:

then I get out of LiveTV

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stuarta:

Neeesat25: svn or 0.20?

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Neeesat25:

latest with fixes

[12:49:25]

janneg:

Neeesat25: the patch in ticket 2874 should solve it

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Neeesat25:

can you post the link please?

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** stuarta decides to update and rebuild **

[12:50:35]

stuarta:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2874

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janneg:

Neeesat25: i'm not sure if the patch applies to fixes

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Neeesat25:

I will try --dry-run

[12:50:57]

Neeesat25:

Thanks

[12:51:02]

janneg:

stuarta: you might want give daniel's patch in http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2664 a try

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stuarta:

hot off the presses that is :)

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Neeesat25:

janneg: There are three patches listed I use the latest. Correct?

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janneg:

Neeesat25: yes, use only encryption_sigmon_v2.diff

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Neeesat25:

Thanks

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gardengnome:

heya

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gardengnome:

juski: where's the s100 stuff gone?

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rsdvd:

:-) not just me interested then

[12:57:38]

juski:

it's gorn

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juski:

I don't want to host it anymore. anyone else can have it

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rsdvd:

Juski – If you send me the site – I will see if I can get it hosted elsewhere.

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juski:

I'll be able to send it out when I get home

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rsdvd:

kewl

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juski:

it's on my windows machine

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juski:

amazed nobody else shifted their ass & put the info together

[13:01:56]

juski:

oh wait it's on a wiki thing

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juski:

all I did was make it English

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rsdvd:

i found the german wiki that I think you got some of it from.......but your info was much easier to read.

[13:02:57]

rsdvd:

google translate was not that good :-)

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juski:

it would be, being that mine was in English ;)

[13:03:18]

rsdvd:

do you speak German?

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juski:

funny thing was I wasn't getting any english readers so I thought what's the point?

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stuarta:

food time

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Neeesat25:

janneg: Sorry for asking but this is the first time I am tryoing to get a patch from tickets. How do you download the patch from there?

[13:08:45]

Neeesat25:

Sorry didn't see the link from the bottom

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juski:

and remember... 'l' is not a number ;)

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Paladine:

hey juski, my tv arrived :)

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Paladine:

pretty damn nice too :)

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Paladine:

I never realised virtual surround sound could actually sound good

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juski:

it can – just not as good as real surround :)

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tcpsyn:

I have two pvr-150s. one of them records in good quality, and the other is poor. Does anyone know how I can fix it?

[13:17:08]

stuarta:

that reminds me, time to virtually shop for a tv

[13:17:26]

stuarta:

as opposed to shopping for a virtual tv

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** Scopeuk has been doingthat for a laptop **

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janneg:

stuarta: the patch misses a return true at the end, see the ticket

[13:18:55]

tcpsyn:

both cards are the same tuner model

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stuarta:

crap. 2664?

[13:19:10]

frink_:

phhheeeewwwweehehy

[13:19:11]

tcpsyn:

wonder if its just the cable?

[13:19:16]

frink_:

I am bored.

[13:19:50]

juski:

bored? mirror my website :-P

[13:19:54]

tcpsyn:

I also have issues changing the channel in browse mode.

[13:19:55]

frink_:

|OK where is it?

[13:20:09]

frink_:

How much traffic do you expect?

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juski:

sometimes as much as 50 hits a day! phwoar!

[13:20:30]

frink_:

It'll be a UK mirror. That OK?

[13:20:36]

juski:

I was joking btw

[13:20:43]

juski:

it's safe enough for now

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frink_:

50! Cool.. Right then.. Shall I just wget the wh.... joking? :(

[13:20:48]

** frink_ is still bored **

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frink_:

Whats your website anyway so I can go look at it.

[13:21:02]

juski:

have a guess

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Scopeuk:

you should know better juski *tut* *tut*

[13:21:15]

juski:

it starts with www and ends with dot co dot uk

[13:21:19]

voltagex:

hi, has anyone had success with the Avermedia Hybrid cards? (saa7134)

[13:21:33]

frink_:

I fixed my myth box crashes though. Dodgy PC hardware was slowing the cpu down without telling anybody, to such an extent, that sleep 1 took 35 seconds to run!

[13:22:07]

Paladine:

frink_ don't go there, the last 7 that ventured to juski's site have not been seen nor heard from since, it is suspected there is some form of trans dimensional shift there

[13:22:18]

juski:

hybrid cards – not properly supported in mythtv 0.20 or -fixes yet AFAIK

[13:22:28]

janneg:

stuarta: yes, I forgot to report it after applying

[13:22:31]

frink_:

Hmm I'm OK at the mom *"$*%"* NO CARRIER

[13:22:53]

stuarta:

janneg: just updated my local copy, and am rebuilding

[13:23:13]

frink_:

juski: Nice themes. I will try them tonight.

[13:23:25]

juski:

maybe if I had a live animal I wouldn't take out my frustrations on my website

[13:23:33]

frink_:

Hmm, I need to find something better for tv out on my myth box though.

[13:23:42]

frink_:

juski: You can have the next mouse I catch...

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Scopeuk:

wow bbc news ces opens *roll eyes*

[13:24:27]

voltagex:

I've followed all the instructions I can find for my Avermedia card...

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** juski looks for news of a mythtv stand at ces **

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juski:

oh wait...

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Scopeuk:

is there ones?

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juski:

ces is only for $$$$$$ products

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** Scopeuk notes he was jsut incredibly stupid **

[13:24:56]

juski:

not really good open source stuff

[13:24:56]

Scopeuk:

juski yeh

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juski:

atually no – anyone could exhibit if they put the money up

[13:25:31]

Scopeuk:

yeh

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tcpsyn:

yep. It was the cable.

[13:25:44]

Scopeuk:

but we have better wasy to direct what cashflow is avaliabel to open source projects

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juski:

which is...?

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Scopeuk:

towards almost anything

[13:26:21]

Scopeuk:

hardware for testing

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juski:

oh that's what you meant

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Scopeuk:

beer for exibitors ;-)

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stuarta:

mmmm beer

[13:27:01]

juski:

health insurance

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** Scopeuk ponders if there will ever be a big linux event in sheffield **

[13:27:20]

Scopeuk:

juski yeh probably needed

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voltagex:

any ideas how to get this avermedia card going?

[13:27:55]

juski:

voltagex: we don't do driver support here really

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voltagex:

who does?

[13:28:09]

juski:

try #linuxtv

[13:28:14]

voltagex:

Ive tried about 4 tutorials

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voltagex:

thanks

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juski:

Scopeuk: big handbag :-P

[13:29:21]

Scopeuk:

that would be awsome

[13:29:24]

Scopeuk:

have to be pink though

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Scopeuk:

anda long blond wig

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juski:

there's that bloody word again

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chehgarg_:

juski got a quick question

[13:29:47]

chehgarg_:

so i jsut viewed a sample recording i did, i have video for it, but no sound

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Scopeuk:

juski yeh i use awsome to much

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chehgarg_:

but when i watch tv, i have sound

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Scopeuk:

hmm what type of card?

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chehgarg_:

you leave awesome alone juski

[13:30:41]

chehgarg_:

it's an easytv card, what the sticker says, but it has an saa7134 chipset

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juski:

chehgarg_: I want other folks to leave 'awesome' alone ;)

[13:31:02]

chehgarg_:

but you see, i get video and sound when i watch tv, but not on the recording

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Scopeuk:

juski yeh unreal is my other buzzword atm

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Paladine:

Scope, cover it in leaves and stuff and wear it as a camoflage headpiece

[13:31:23]

chehgarg_:

recording I only get video playback

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Scopeuk:

Paladine i was considerign a neopreen jacket and my hicking pack

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Scopeuk:

hikeing*

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Scopeuk:

its a san size

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Scopeuk:

sane*

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** Scopeuk wonders if he sleap enough **

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juski:

chehgarg_: livetv IS recording, but with a different recording profile being used (that's a clue btw)

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Paladine:

scope, giving the weather up north here today, I think the headwear is the best option, then it can double as a brolly :)

[13:32:25]

Scopeuk:

have to agree its tipping it down here as well

[13:32:28]

frink_:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . 320069575705

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Scopeuk:

where you at paladine

[13:32:39]

Paladine:

Lancaster

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juski:

it's just shite here near Runcorn. as ever

[13:33:04]

Scopeuk:

frink_ wtf?

[13:33:12]

frink_:

Yeah, you wanna bid? :)

[13:33:16]

Scopeuk:

im in notts and its fogy cold and slining it down

[13:33:19]

Paladine:

juski, at least you have 2 pints and apacket of crisps ;)

[13:33:29]

frink_:

Scopeuk: I can post to notts...

[13:33:41]

Scopeuk:

frink_ lol no thanks

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frink_:

I got another last night.. That's 4 now.

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Paladine:

dude that show cracks me up

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Paladine:

missus got me into it

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juski:

I like the show. I don't like it here

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juski:

it's a dump. thank god I only have to work here

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** Scopeuk wonders if he will get to see snow this year **

[13:35:23]

juski:

actually it might be a dump but there's something vaguely interesting near by: http://www.srs.ac.uk/srs/

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Paladine:

juski, I used to pickup my "stuff" from just outside of runcorn :)

[13:36:03]

Paladine:

I have a mate there who grows some fineass $h1t

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juski:

wow thanks. you just gave me an excuse for being such a fuckup :)

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chehgarg_:

i'm lost... i jsut realised i don't have any sound on the mythfrontend

[13:36:58]

rsdvd:

Scopeuk – where in Notts are you?

[13:37:03]

chehgarg_:

and the cat didn't unplug me this time

[13:37:15]

Scopeuk:

atm mansfield

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chehgarg_:

when I crank up the tv, I can barely hear soemthing...

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Paladine:

scope, is notts still 8 women for every man on the demographics?

[13:37:20]

rsdvd:

so am i

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rsdvd:

small world

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Scopeuk:

joking right?

[13:37:32]

Scopeuk:

yup

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Paladine:

it used to be back in the early to mid 90s

[13:37:38]

juski:

pfff... how old is that myth?

[13:37:39]

rsdvd:

No – I am in Berry Hill

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Scopeuk:

Paladine dont know

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Scopeuk:

yeh that puts you abotu 5 mins walk way lol

[13:37:56]

juski:

I first heard that back in 1990 or so

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rsdvd:

LOL!

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Paladine:

last time I was in notts I went to Rock City (or whatever it is called) got slaughtered and ended up sleeping with my sisters housemate in a graveyard. All in all, a jolly fine evening

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rsdvd:

I see you are on NTL cable, so you canot be in our estate.......NTL refused to cable here :-(

[13:39:26]

Scopeuk:

harsh

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Scopeuk:

stuck with adsl then

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Scopeuk:

poor you

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rsdvd:

yes

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rsdvd:

expensive and slow (compared to cable)

[13:39:54]

Scopeuk:

council wouldent let them cable to town centre either

[13:39:57]

Scopeuk:

yeh

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Paladine:

mind you I hitched my way back from notts to caernarfon in north wales, which wasn't nearly as much fun as shagging a hot bird in a graveyard

[13:40:04]

Scopeuk:

eg the council gave adsl manopoly

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chehgarg_:

i'm a try rebooting... sounds stupid, but i'm so worn out, i can't think logically

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chehgarg_:

brb

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** Scopeuk look funney at Paladine **

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rsdvd:

sounds about right for Mansfield

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Scopeuk:

rsdvd yup

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Scopeuk:

then again you cant get a stable adsl connection at town mill

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Scopeuk:

and you know how close that is to the exchange

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juski:

arghhh my lungs feel like they're gonna implode

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Scopeuk:

whats up with you juski?

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juski:

trying not to be geet hard like & smerk tabs

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juski:

my mac mini fund depends on it :)

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Scopeuk:

lol

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Scopeuk:

i rearly dislike macs we jsut dont get on

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Scopeuk:

well apple macs any way marin macs are a different storry

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Scopeuk:

martin*

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juski:

lol

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chehgarg:

ok ok ok... i ahve sound with tvtime .... but not mythfrontend... any suggestions?

[13:45:11]

juski:

chehgarg: check your mixer settings

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chehgarg:

i have

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juski:

and see the troubleshooting section of the docs for sound problems

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** Scopeuk takes advantage of the fact no one gives a damn how loud his music is since when he gets back to uni its no loud music at any time for a month due to exam period **

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juski:

it's the #1 FAQ about lamegrabber cards

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Scopeuk:

framegrabbers arnt that bad

[13:46:22]

juski:

ok they're not as evil as I feel

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Scopeuk:

my 433 copes

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juski:

hrm. haven't smerked a tab since 7.30 am

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Scopeuk:

wonder why they insist on putting mce on laptops these days are the oem licenses cheeper or something?

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Neeesat25:

juski: Nice themes

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juski:

Scopeuk: like heroin. first hit on the cheap

[13:50:10]

Scopeuk:

hmm it will be replace very quick

[13:50:13]

juski:

bah this is no fking good. cold turkey isn't the answer for me

[13:50:28]

juski:

might look into that hypnotism malarkey

[13:50:35]

Scopeuk:

lol

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Neeesat25:

blootube-wide is cool. Did you design them your self?

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frink_:

What's mce Scopeuk ?

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juski:

Neeesat25: there are only a few graphics which aren't my own (some of the titles)

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Neeesat25:

excelent job

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juski:

thanks

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juski:

I deserve a cig for that I think

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juski:

yeah. good idea. maybe even two

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rsdvd:

frink_ : mce = windows media center edition

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juski:

center (sic)

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frink_:

ahh I see

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frink_:

is that windows media center thing any good?

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chehgarg:

so i read the faq and the doc. doc basically said adjust the mixer, everything is unmuted and maxed out. in the faq it was mentioned to switch to JACK if using jacks... but i did not see that option in setup, only default and alsa:mixer lah blah

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chehgarg:

any suggestions on getting the soudn to work with video in mythtv? it works with tvtime.... it must be my audio settings but no combination of settings is working

[14:03:55]

juski:

frink_: if it was any good do you think we'd be using mythtv?

[14:05:05]

juski:

chehgarg: here's a hint for you: mythtv _records_ everything even livetv. so the playback section of the mixer needs to be muted (for the input you use) and the recording input needs to be the tuner audio channel

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frink_:

juski: point taken :)

[14:08:27]

juski:

limited to 2 tuners (or 2 with 1 HDTV tuner), you can't mix tuner types, everything is recorded in a DRM'd format...

[14:08:45]

frink_:

Yeah, sounds crap then.

[14:09:07]

juski:

mce rollup 2, instead of needing the pc rebooted every other day now does a scheduled restart of the backend....

[14:09:17]

frink_:

rofl

[14:09:21]

juski:

way to fix the problem eh?

[14:10:09]

frink_:

I already fixed it innit

[14:10:47]

juski:

fair play to MCE, their installer is pretty nifty apparently

[14:11:09]

juski:

totally wizard-driven

[14:11:19]

frink_:

yeah but mythdora is pretty easy to install too.

[14:11:44]

juski:

so is another ready-rolled distro I tried the other day

[14:11:56]

frink_:

Oh whats that one?

[14:11:58]

** juski wonders what jams is going to call it **

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frink_:

heh

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juski:

it's not out yet

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frink_:

somebody should sell ready made boxes

[14:12:26]

juski:

but it IS something worthy of the word 'awesome'

[14:12:37]

juski:

truly

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frink_:

we shuld do it in the UK, since you can not do tivo any more and everythingelse sucks

[14:12:46]

juski:

frink_: folks do

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seth|laptop:

hey, I updated svn-fixes last night, and now I can no longer schedule recordings?

[14:12:55]

frink_:

juski: Oh, who?

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seth|laptop:

and my current schedules section is blank

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chehgarg:

juski in englis... whats your tip mean? i've been way too long with this

[14:13:14]

frink_:

It needs to be embedded really, an appliance.

[14:13:28]

chehgarg:

i just tried every combo of setting in mythfront->setup

[14:13:31]

juski:

frink_: not in the UK. anyway unless you're selling preconfigured dvb-t boxes there'll be legal issues w.r.t. the EPG data

[14:13:55]

frink_:

preconfigured dvb-t boxes is exactly what I was thinking of..

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frink_:

why would there be legal issues?

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juski:

chehgarg: alsamixer or gnome-mixer... mute the playback channel the tuner audio is on & switch the record channel to be the input the tv tuner is plugged into

[14:14:35]

daviey:

i suspect you could use an 'example' for radio times. Same as the cd ripper

[14:14:48]

juski:

frink_: because it's for personal use only and it's a grey area

[14:14:58]

frink_:

juski: Well, your own PVR is personal use innit.

[14:15:13]

juski:

zap2it have already complained about ready made systems

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frink_:

same as if you purchase any other PVR that uses the data

[14:15:45]

juski:

and unless you pay licence fees for dvd & mp3 playback... oof

[14:16:01]

frink_:

yeah the dvd/mp3 bit may have issues.

[14:16:08]

juski:

pretty big issues

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frink_:

unless you use proper software for them both.

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Paladine:

juski, just sell the boxes without xmltv/zap2it configured and setup a page on the web with a script to enable them :)

[14:16:28]

frink_:

or just use DVB=T over the air EPG data

[14:16:39]

daviey:

has anybody actually been successfull sued for mp3/dvd codec issues (personal use, not buisiness)

[14:16:42]

juski:

EIT won't play DVDs though

[14:16:51]

frink_:

juski: Well then the device wont play DVDs :(

[14:17:26]

Paladine:

if I had some spare cash I wouldn't think twice about selling pre built myth boxes

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frink_:

Paladine: you wanna go into business? :)

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Paladine:

specially now I have access to this cool usb>rf controller :)

[14:17:55]

chehgarg:

juski i muted pcm in gnome-mixer... but i'm kinda confused by your working for th last part

[14:17:57]

daviey:

Paladine, maybe when mythtv reaches version 1!

[14:18:13]

zambba:

Hmm.. now Microsoft would mock MythTV, too

[14:18:19]

Paladine:

which would rock for people who want to schedule sky recordings without forking out for sky+

[14:18:22]

frink_:

i'd like to sell a nice easy mythtv pre built box but tivo style (i.e. avoiding expensive PC components)

[14:18:39]

mboman:

Which is the easiest way to get MythTV up-n-running, and yet be upgradeable and customizable?

[14:18:52]

daviey:

frink_, i would like what you said 4 home use

[14:18:53]

frink_:

in fact, it'd be quite cool to port it to the Tivo hardware ;-)

[14:18:55]

Dagmar:

mboman: Probably to use Knoppix

[14:19:03]

mboman:

Dagmar: KnoppMyth?

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frink_:

daviey: Needs to be cheaper though. 300 quid max for the box.

[14:19:06]

zambba:

Mr. Gates has said at CES, that homes need Home Servers which will save, backup and publish digital information at homes

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juski:

chehgarg: you shouldn't have muted PCM. that's how mythtv plays back sound

[14:19:09]

Dagmar:

mboman: Yes

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Scopeuk:

mbamford depends on how much modification knoppmyth is the quik route

[14:19:24]

Dagmar:

Just, um, don't mess with 0.20-fixes

[14:19:26]

chehgarg:

juski but you said mute playback

[14:19:26]

daviey:

mbamford, easyiest way is mythtv from debs. i like the ubuntu ones ;)

[14:19:43]

Paladine:

just install it once and then image the drive

[14:19:45]

Scopeuk:

daviey id say knoppmyth is easier

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juski:

chehgarg: I said mute the playback channel for the input the tv tuner is plugged into

[14:19:57]

daviey:

Scopeuk, whats the difference?

[14:20:21]

juski:

Scopeuk: you think knoppmyth is easy.. try that iso :)

[14:20:24]

Scopeuk:

knoopmyth is guided and upgrading is trivial

[14:20:38]

Scopeuk:

juski will do sometime

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juski:

GUI installation!

[14:20:51]

chehgarg:

juski oh i see, mute line-in and mic on my soundcard, but for the tuner sound keep maxed

[14:20:58]

daviey:

Scopeuk, but the releases are quite behind, compaired with pre-built debs

[14:21:00]

juski:

chehgarg: no

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Scopeuk:

daviey there not that bad

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juski:

chehgarg: there are 2 parts to the mixer. the 'playback' section is the one you see first. that controls which channels you hear all the time

[14:21:34]

chehgarg:

juski damn i'm just not getting it

[14:21:36]

daviey:

am i right in saying they have only JUST released 020+fixes?

[14:21:55]

Dagmar:

daviey: Nope

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juski:

the other part which is usually hidden away a little controls which channel gets _recorded_

[14:22:00]

chehgarg:

juski right i got two tabs, playbacka nd switchs

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juski:

chehgarg: go to preferences

[14:22:13]

daviey:

Dagmar, when was it released?

[14:22:15]

Dagmar:

daviey: it's been around since a few days after 0.20 was released, but it's name IMHO is kind of a misnomer

[14:22:26]

Dagmar:

daviey: You have to get it from CVS, but I really suggest not

[14:22:31]

Paladine:

am gonna be hurting tomorrow

[14:22:43]

daviey:

Dagmar, does knoppmyth use cvs?

[14:22:53]

Dagmar:

There was only one obvious bug I saw in 0.20, but 0.20-fixes seems to come up with new things to break rather regularly

[14:22:53]

Paladine:

I shifted a 32" CRT TV earlier on my own and have tweaked my back :/

[14:23:00]

Paladine:

hurting more as time goes on

[14:23:19]

daviey:

Paladine, tweaked for optimum performace?

[14:23:26]

Scopeuk:

daviey they use svn yes fixes branch

[14:23:26]

Dagmar:

He's been omgoptimized

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Paladine:

hehe

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juski:

Paladine: oh no! I did that once. almost lost my back AND the TV

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Dagmar:

TVs are cheaper to repair than spines

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Scopeuk:

Paladine then you need to learn howto lift

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Dagmar:

If I get anything bigger than the 29" I have now, I'm just hiring burly men to move it

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juski:

it's not easy getting your arms around a set that big AND lifting properly

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frink_:

Hmm, so. I know I asked this b4.. But what do you guys use in the UK for PAL tv-out ? I have a Maplins VGA-tv converter and composite to the tv, but it looks crap. It's running 800x600

[14:24:40]

Dagmar:

juski: Try getting it into a little bitty BMW 325i

[14:24:52]

daviey:

frink_, that converter seems crap

[14:24:59]

juski:

frink_: svideo out of nvidia ftw, or svideo at 720x576Noscale from my epia.. yummy

[14:25:00]

Paladine:

Scope, I know how to lift, but theset was almost 40" wide and almost 30" deep.

[14:25:01]

frink_:

If you have a BMW 325i you can afford a LCD TV :)

[14:25:14]

daviey:

frink_, depends on weather your tv supports composite or s-video (s-video is better)

[14:25:18]

chehgarg:

juski so i'm looking at Playback AC97-SPSA...?

[14:25:19]

juski:

if you have a 325i you have no dick

[14:25:22]

Dagmar:

frink_: That's an older model. I only paid $2000 for mine

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Scopeuk:

Paladine yeh thata bastard but its ammazing what one can lift with proper training and practce

[14:25:32]

frink_:

daviey: Only composite :(

[14:25:32]

chehgarg:

juski i have loads of checkboxes in preferences

[14:25:36]

Dagmar:

juski: I can park anywhere I damn well please tho'

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Paladine:

scope, thats why I got on my knees to move it so I wouldn't seriously injure myself lol

[14:26:04]

Dagmar:

...unlike some of the land yachts I've driven in the past.

[14:26:04]

[Jasper]:

juski do you have digital television with mythtv ? or analog?

[14:26:45]

Paladine:

jasper, I have sky running on myth

[14:27:04]

[Jasper]:

Paladine how?

[14:27:09]

[Jasper]:

with the origianl decoder?

[14:27:23]

Paladine:

daviey, our 32" LCD HDTV just arrived today, hense why I was moving the honking great toshiba crt

[14:27:24]

[Jasper]:

you won't be able to change channels from mythtv right?

[14:27:33]

Paladine:

jasper yes I change the channels from mythtv

[14:27:38]

[Jasper]:

how?

[14:27:42]

daviey:

irblaster?

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Paladine:

I have a neat little usb > rf2 controller

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Paladine:

irblaster is the other method

[14:28:08]

Paladine:

but I prefer my lil black box :)

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** daviey found a dead pixel the other day :( **

[14:28:24]

frink_:

yeah LCD with vga/hdmi in is nice.

[14:28:24]

[Jasper]:

Paladine how do you get the digital signal on your box ?

[14:28:25]

daviey:

Paladine, did you make / purchase?

[14:28:32]

juski:

chehgarg: no, RECORDING

[14:28:36]

frink_:

How about using an old Xbox for tv-out/front end?

[14:28:45]

Paladine:

daviey, purchased, but it was worth every penny

[14:28:50]

juski:

xbox — too noisy and WAY too FUGLY

[14:28:52]

daviey:

Paladine, linky?

[14:29:04]

[Jasper]:

Paladine how do you get the siganl on your box?

[14:29:04]

frink_:

juski: Yeah they are both of that, but is tha quality OK?

[14:29:07]

[Jasper]:

analog capture device?

[14:29:08]

Paladine:

jasper, svideo out from the sky box to svideo in on the pvr150 and rca audio out from the sky box to rca audio in on the pvr150

[14:29:09]

juski:

xbox is also slow as hell

[14:29:21]

frink_:

juski: Ahh OK, too slow :)

[14:29:27]

[Jasper]:

Paladine :( so much quality loss

[14:29:37]

juski:

tv out quality is ace, but it's shite running linux unless you have a RAM upgrade

[14:29:39]

daviey:

yeah, i want a cute frontend... but too cheap to buy!

[14:29:49]

juski:

mac mini

[14:29:51]

juski:

none cuter

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[Jasper]:

juski you run dvb right?

[14:30:03]

juski:

yes

[14:30:10]

Paladine:

jasper, erm, no quality loss

[14:30:14]

frink_:

all the OSX mythfrontend's I tried so far crash a lot..

[14:30:23]

Paladine:

svideo out from the sky box is giving me 5000–6000 kb/s

[14:30:24]

[Jasper]:

only free to view channels juski or also subscription channels ?

[14:30:26]

juski:

frink_: who said anything about osx?

[14:30:31]

juski:

only FTA channels

[14:30:33]

frink_:

juski: :)

[14:30:41]

daviey:

frink_, why not install linux on the mac frontend

[14:30:45]

Paladine:

daviey, http://www.heenan.me.uk/control-sky-from-pc/

[14:30:47]

chehgarg:

juski i don't see anything labeled recording, closest thing i have synonomous to that is line-in and capture

[14:30:58]

juski:

chehgarg: ahh capture!

[14:31:05]

[Jasper]:

Paladine you're transferring a digital signal from the sky box into an analog signal back to digital

[14:31:06]

Dagmar:

I want the sky to be plaid.

[14:31:14]

[Jasper]:

so you have quality loss, no way round it

[14:31:18]

Dagmar:

That webpage is deceptive.

[14:31:21]

juski:

I want $ky to go bust

[14:31:34]

chehgarg:

juski so just turn that off?

[14:31:35]

[Jasper]:

juski do you use subscription channels also?

[14:31:55]

juski:

right I'm gonna stop answering questions NOW

[14:32:11]

Paladine:

jasper, since the only sky boxes with HD are sky HD and none of the sky boxes apart from sky HD have component, it doesn't make any difference, the digital signal is -always- converted to analog, even on a tv

[14:32:11]

daviey:

[Jasper], can you get digital out signal on a skybox? Ie firewire? The old skybox i had came with a RS-232 port, cant you use that to change channels?

[14:32:14]

Paladine:

scart is analog

[14:32:15]

daviey:

juski, ae you still here?

[14:32:19]

Dagmar:

euw... serila

[14:32:22]

Paladine:

composite is analog

[14:32:28]

[Jasper]:

hmm Paladine

[14:32:29]

juski:

I said I'm gonna stop answering questions ;)

[14:32:31]

Paladine:

rf is analog

[14:32:37]

Scopeuk:

vga is analog

[14:32:40]

[Jasper]:

Paladine dvi

[14:32:43]

daviey:

juski, it was a trick question!

[14:32:44]

[Jasper]:

hdmi

[14:32:44]

Paladine:

apart from svideo, those are the only options from a regular sky or sky+ box for output

[14:32:48]

Scopeuk:

dvi can be both digital and analog

[14:33:06]

juski:

you can't capture DVI, VGA or HDMI

[14:33:08]

Paladine:

jasper, sky do not make a sky or sk+ box with hdmi or dvi

[14:33:16]

[Jasper]:

I know

[14:33:16]

juski:

not at prices you'd like or in linux

[14:33:21]

daviey:

Dagmar, whats wrong with serial. I am controlling my tv, on & off & volume via rs-232

[14:33:42]

[Jasper]:

juski I asked before you said you stopped answering :/

[14:33:51]

[Jasper]:

I was just wondering if you used a cam on your dvb

[14:33:58]

Dagmar:

daviey: dedicated interrupts, general slowness

[14:33:59]

juski:

I don't use a CAM

[14:34:13]

[Jasper]:

so no subscription channels?

[14:34:31]

juski:

ffs

[14:34:32]

juski:

NO

[14:34:43]

juski:

only FTA channels

[14:34:52]

daviey:

Dagmar, your joking right? Unless you box is full of stuff it's a non issue. I'm using a virtual serial cable, and it works a dream

[14:35:07]

[Jasper]:

yes Paladine that's the whole issue

[14:35:08]

daviey:

Dagmar, i would have thought it better than irblasting!!

[14:35:17]

frink_:

Whats a virtual serial cable?

[14:35:20]

[Jasper]:

I wish sky would just deploy a CAM which could be used :/

[14:35:25]

Paladine:

daviey, that usb>rf2 controller I got rocks, its a little expensive, but it is awesome

[14:35:27]

[Jasper]:

on your dvb card

[14:35:34]

Dagmar:

daviey: It's better than using an xmitter, but not by much

[14:35:48]

Paladine:

jasper, sky will never do that, it is not in their best interests

[14:35:56]

Paladine:

the reason they have stb's is to decode the signal

[14:36:02]

daviey:

[Jasper], if you can find a dvb-t card that supports subscription cards, then there is no reason you can't have subscription. However, i know of no cards that support the card!

[14:36:08]

Paladine:

if they give out cam's they are opening themselves up to blatant piracy

[14:36:17]

Dagmar:

With any luck we won't be looking at a situation with CableCard2.0 like we are with DVDS

[14:36:29]

Paladine:

and as I said, I get 5000–6000kb/s on my pvr150 recordings, the quality is superb

[14:36:31]

daviey:

frink_, usb to serial converter cable. Aint got enought serial ports ;)

[14:36:44]

juski:

'any luck'... when does linux get 'any luck' ? ;)

[14:36:46]

frink_:

daviey: Ahh OK. Well then, there are no dedicated interrupts anyway.

[14:37:58]

frink_:

even if there were, handling an int to grab a few bytes from memory is not really a problem.

[14:39:09]

daviey:

that 'irblaster' sells it to allow "A serial controller capable of controlling upto 15 sky or sky+ boxes"!!! If you require more, contact us! bloody hell

[14:39:28]

frink_:

15?

[14:39:33]

daviey:

yes!!!

[14:39:41]

frink_:

why would you want to do that?

[14:39:52]

daviey:

only thing i can think of is hotel's.

[14:40:00]

frink_:

yeah..

[14:40:04]

daviey:

But does sky have 15 channels worth watchung!?

[14:40:16]

frink_:

Just what I was thinking..

[14:40:21]

Paladine:

daviey, ppv porn?

[14:40:22]

frink_:

really.. No they don't.

[14:40:36]

juski:

NTL don't either

[14:40:37]

frink_:

Paladine: Get PPV porn from the net innit.

[14:40:55]

frink_:

in fact. There are not 15 channels in the whole world that are interesting.. 10 maybe..

[14:41:01]

juski:

discovery channel, $ky one (sometime shows).. er... er... hmmmm

[14:41:09]

daviey:

Paladine, ahh i read about that method when he was developing it!!! I think that is much better than irblaster!

[14:41:17]

Scopeuk:

abc1?

[14:41:19]

** Scopeuk ducks **

[14:41:26]

frink_:

QVC

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juski:

Scopeuk: a fan of Cybil shephard are we hmm? ;)

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Scopeuk:

no home improvements

[14:41:48]

juski:

eeeew

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Scopeuk:

:-)

[14:41:57]

Scopeuk:

i have a somewhat warped sense of humor

[14:41:57]

daviey:

BBC Three

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Scopeuk:

one of the few things can watch with every one in the house

[14:42:12]

juski:

bbc3 is better on freeview

[14:42:14]

Paladine:

daviey, well I can certainly recommend it

[14:42:15]

chehgarg:

i'm at a loss

[14:42:19]

frink_:

I like QVC. It really is utter crap. It's almost as crap as the late night semi naked quiz shows with obscure questions that people call in with all sorts of odd answers too.

[14:42:24]

Paladine:

I made my own ir blaster and didn't like it

[14:42:36]

daviey:

Paladine, slow?

[14:42:42]

frink_:

QVC, big brother.. Makes me wonder why I bother recording anything.

[14:42:42]

Paladine:

but this box looks nice, gret build quality and does the job perfectly

[14:42:43]

juski:

frink_: don't get me started on "stupid bint TV"

[14:42:56]

frink_:

juski: Heh.

[14:43:02]

Scopeuk:

any one know what the ir blaster socket on the back ofthe ntl cable boxes does if anything?

[14:43:08]

rsdvd:

UK G2 is the best channel

[14:43:10]

juski:

Scopeuk: yes I know

[14:43:15]

Scopeuk:

rsdvd yes its good

[14:43:21]

Paladine:

frink_, I got banned from price-drop tv and bid-up tv

[14:43:23]

rsdvd:

QI especially

[14:43:29]

frink_:

Paladine: Cool! How?

[14:43:32]

Scopeuk:

juski wanna let me in on the secrete

[14:43:34]

juski:

but we get QI on freeview

[14:43:40]

juski:

Scopeuk: they're all crippled

[14:43:49]

Scopeuk:

guessed as much

[14:43:58]

Paladine:

my missus ordered some stuff for xmas a couple of years back

[14:44:12]

Paladine:

they delivered completely the wrong items, not even remotely related and took about 2 months to sort it out

[14:44:21]

Paladine:

so I made a huge complaint to trading standards

[14:44:23]

rsdvd:

and UK Docs for "Have I got New for you"

[14:44:24]

daviey:

Paladine, how much was that box?

[14:44:32]

Paladine:

so they cancelled our accounts

[14:44:42]

Paladine:

daviey, 41 quid plus postage

[14:44:45]

seth|laptop:

well my ability to record, or schedule a recording is officially hosed :-(

[14:44:45]

juski:

bid-up tv took £350 from my wife's debit card & she'd never even heard of them

[14:44:56]

frink_:

Paladine: Oh well. Not much loss. ;-)

[14:45:18]

juski:

took 9 months to get that one sorted out

[14:45:31]

juski:

neither the bank or the firm apologised

[14:45:44]

Paladine:

juski, we did all right out of it cos they delivered 2 nice mens watches (retailed at like 120 quid each) and a huge Bear in a Big Blue House (like HUGE 4 foot jobbo) and they never sent anyone to collect them, so I sold them on ebay

[14:45:56]

juski:

hahaha

[14:46:02]

frink_:

Hmm my hauppauge DVB-T USB thing is crap. It's needs like another 6db signal than anything else..

[14:46:12]

juski:

here's me thinking they only sold chintzy shite

[14:46:16]

Paladine:

made over 250 quid on bid-up tv cocked up deliveries

[14:46:24]

Paladine:

they said "We will send a courier to collect them"

[14:46:25]

juski:

frink_: and you're surprised because...

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Paladine:

6 weeks later they were still in my lounge

[14:46:48]

frink_:

juski: Not surprised, just cheesed off. Thinking of one of them nova-t 500 dual tuner things, any good?

[14:47:07]

frink_:

Paladine: Yeah I have has about 3 bits of furniture from IKEA due to them not collecting.

[14:47:16]

juski:

frink_: they're 2 usb tuners on a pci card teamed up with a usb-pci bridge. whaddya reckon?

[14:47:24]

Paladine:

frink_ it's all good :)

[14:47:43]

** Scopeuk ponders on how to direct hisfunds **

[14:47:49]

juski:

from the pics I've seen though they've got proper tuners, none of that silicon crap

[14:47:53]

frink_:

juski: I see.

[14:48:03]

Paladine:

scope, about 130 miles west would be good ;)

[14:48:44]

Scopeuk:

;-)

[14:49:04]

frink_:

Hmm, so what do you reckon I should get for a devent DVB-T tuner card?

[14:49:08]

Scopeuk:

hmm technically i have some that i can blow on what i want left over from my last student loan payment

[14:49:10]

Paladine:

actually I am happy today cos my available balance reads > 5K :)

[14:49:14]

Paladine:

student loans went in this morning

[14:49:16]

juski:

nova-t ?

[14:49:25]

Scopeuk:

paladine mine should go in on the 15th

[14:49:27]

frink_:

Paladine: Heh mine is almost exactly -5k :)

[14:49:28]

chehgarg:

juski i'm thinking maybe the ac97 is not capable of capturing and playing the sound. i've tried muting, not muting, i'm getting nowhere

[14:49:33]

daviey:

I've got two novat-t pci's. been happy with them... good price, but occasionally i get a glitch probably 32 x 500 pixels. I think it's areial relates though

[14:49:41]

Scopeuk:

mines gonna be arroudn there

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Paladine:

frink well 1.75k of my available funds is our overdraft so that doesn't really count hehehe

[14:50:00]

frink_:

So the nova-t 500 is crap but they are ok ? ;-)

[14:50:17]

juski:

frink_: maybe. never met anyone who has one

[14:50:26]

Paladine:

scope, 15th? why so late?

[14:50:29]

frink_:

Paladine: I just submitted my expenses of about 1.8k so that will help..

[14:50:39]

frink_:

juski: What do you have?

[14:51:04]

juski:

frink_: leadtek lr6650 (early OEM version of the DTV1000)

[14:51:11]

juski:

1st one cost £25 on ebay

[14:51:15]

juski:

2nd cost £11

[14:51:21]

juski:

3rd cost £14

[14:51:38]

frink_:

perhaps I'll buy one with the proceeds of my dead mouse..

[14:51:38]

juski:

they never worked in windows, which is why I use mythtv :)

[14:51:42]

daviey:

juski, how have you split your aerial signal between them?

[14:51:53]

juski:

I only use 2 cards

[14:52:00]

Scopeuk:

Paladine i wasent sly jsut carefull

[14:52:01]

frink_:

Oh, so that dvtv1000 is ok? ... hmm

[14:52:03]

daviey:

Y splitter?

[14:52:05]

juski:

3rd is in a spare box with its own feed

[14:52:10]

Scopeuk:

Paladine my load payment is scheduled for the 15th

[14:52:13]

Scopeuk:

dont kow why

[14:52:14]

juski:

the other 2 are looped together

[14:52:15]

Paladine:

speaking of student loans, I guess I better get this research proposal in and take back the dvcam I borrowed from media services over xmas to record my son's birthday and xmas hehehe

[14:52:24]

Scopeuk:

lol

[14:52:24]

juski:

tried looping the 3rd & it gets sod all signal

[14:52:48]

Paladine:

I have been up all night working on my research proposal which is due in by 4pm

[14:52:49]

daviey:

juski, i found pass-through on the nova-t to be diabolical

[14:52:58]

Paladine:

of course, I never even started it til 3am this morning

[14:53:02]

Paladine:

just for a change

[14:53:15]

Paladine:

finished it by 7:30 :)

[14:54:31]

Scopeuk:

lol

[14:54:53]

Scopeuk:

im only a first year so besides exams nothing muchto do over christmasss

[14:55:02]

Paladine:

4.5 hours is pretty good for 2500 words and all the research (I literally hadn't even looked at the requirements before 3am this morning let alone done any work towards it lol)

[14:55:28]

daviey:

Paladine, is that for your dissertation?

[14:55:30]

Paladine:

anyway bbiab

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Scopeuk:

kk

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daviey:

Paladine, be back i am bored? or be back in a bit? haa

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BULLE:

Paladine: what are you going to research about ?

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frink_:

Paladine: Heh, I got some good vid of my son this Christmas.. His first one knowing how to open presents (and how to turn off the myth box...)

[14:57:35]

** BULLE currently hates young kids **

[14:57:54]

BULLE:

i was wisiting a bunch of them yesterday, and they started to throw upp and have fever, guess what i have today

[14:58:12]

juski:

puke virii are amazing

[14:58:20]

BULLE:

ye, caliciviri

[14:58:43]

frink_:

BULLE: Yeah once you get kids you get at least one thing every couple of months :)

[14:58:44]

BULLE:

amazingly contagious

[14:58:55]

juski:

you don't have to do much more than look at somewhere the virus was expelled

[14:58:55]

BULLE:

frink_: ye,i can imagine, horror!

[14:59:08]

daviey:

yeah, the daughter was sick over the weekend. Today me and the misses are off sick!

[14:59:27]

BULLE:

juski: ye, i think i will have to dig up my virology books, and read up on them just for the sake of it =)

[14:59:29]

frink_:

Kids could be used as biological weapons..

[14:59:35]

juski:

someone sneezes/ wipes their hand on a door frame.. you only need walk past it

[14:59:51]

Scopeuk:

frink_ you never seen that simpsons episode?

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daviey:

frink_, or torturers – sleep deprivation

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frink_:

Scopeuk: Not seen that Simpsons episode ...

[15:00:16]

Scopeuk:

jsut remember kids are a hazard to your health finances and mental welbeing

[15:00:17]

juski:

the asian 'flu that arrives in a box homer ordered?

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Scopeuk:

no the ne where they use the little kids to re direct a political vote by making al the adults without children ill

[15:00:54]

chehgarg:

i gpt line in muted and mic capture and PCM cranked, and still no signs of audio... any ideas?

[15:01:19]

Scopeuk:

how is the capt

[15:01:21]

juski:

chehgarg: mic capture? not unless the tuner is plugged into mic

[15:01:26]

Scopeuk:

damn missed del

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daviey:

chehgarg, shouldn't have to, but have you rebooted?

[15:01:52]

juski:

yeah 3pm.. time for the "have you tried rebooting?" hint

[15:02:18]

chehgarg:

have not rebooted, and as for my sound setup i got a cable running from sound out on my tuner card to mic in on my sound card. thats how i've bene watching tvtime with sound

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daviey:

ntl say that 'rebooting' will fix most issues. Didn't fix the their burnedout cabinet in the street!

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juski:

daviey: lol

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juski:

chehgarg: you should use LINE in if you can

[15:03:23]

chehgarg:

but the doc said to Mute Line-In

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juski:

chehgarg: the docs say to mute line in in the part of the mixer which controls what comes out through your speakers!

[15:04:09]

Scopeuk:

daviey dident fix my dead modem psu either

[15:04:13]

juski:

remember what I said about the 2 parts of the mixer?

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daviey:

chehgarg, from my experience... alsa/pci sound settings are a world of their own. never understood them

[15:04:24]

juski:

the PLAYBACK part which controls what you HEAR

[15:04:39]

juski:

and the CAPTURE part which controls what gets routed to the recording channel

[15:05:10]

juski:

you need to mute the line input so you can't hear it all the time, but set the mixer to record from it

[15:05:19]

daviey:

Scopeuk, did you try restarted both your computer and modem? Even though you could probably smell the fubar'd psu

[15:05:55]

juski:

oh I have some seriously cheap shitty plastic HDD caddies to test. joy!

[15:06:18]

daviey:

juski, i'll test one for you

[15:06:33]

daviey:

i need one, but too cheap to buy one

[15:06:44]

stuarta:

juski: you ever tried those cages that allow you to put 4x3.5" drives in a hotplug formation into the space for 3x5"???

[15:06:45]

Scopeuk:

on the plus side juski if thinks keep going the way they are i na yerar or so you'll be testing 35T 3.5 inch hdds got a news article about em cupple of days ago

[15:07:08]

juski:

stuarta: yeah.. never got em to work with our IDE drivers

[15:07:22]

stuarta:

but otherwise they are good things?

[15:07:30]

juski:

seem so

[15:07:46]

stuarta:

they look it, just haven't had an excuse to use em...

[15:08:08]

juski:

a couple I tested depended on using one manufacturer of hdd for the spacing of the power & IDE connector

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stuarta:

that's crap

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juski:

and they had naff night-rider LEDs on the front

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stuarta:

ew

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Scopeuk:

naff night rider gimmic im there

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kslater:

but if they were cool blue ones... ;-)

[15:09:09]

juski:

bi-colour red/green

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chehgarg:

juski ac97 is sound card going to my speakers, you are saying to mute Line-IN on that card. correct? not the tuner card. if thats true. it is not working for me

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juski:

chehgarg: I give up

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chehgarg:

juski i want to

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stuarta:

blue leds are expensive

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Scopeuk:

chehgarg right your sound goes into the line in port of your ac97 card

[15:09:58]

Scopeuk:

you need to go the the capture/recording portion of the mixer

[15:10:03]

Scopeuk:

and unmute and turn up line in

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kslater:

chehgarg – mute the output side of whatever line you're recording from

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juski:

stuarta: not judging by how many chav houses were decked out in em a couple of weeks ago they aint ;)

[15:10:26]

stuarta:

hehe!

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juski:

they ARE expensive at Maplin though

[15:10:48]

juski:

still like 2GBP each

[15:10:48]

Scopeuk:

blue led lights were on sale at b&q and neto

[15:11:53]

Scopeuk:

why does streamgn media hate me

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juski:

chehgarg: tell you what. I'll take a couple of screenshots

[15:12:41]

chehgarg:

juski that would be awesome

[15:13:01]

juski:

great, not awesome

[15:13:37]

juski:

getting a blowjob from Sarah michelle gellar.. now that would be awesome

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chehgarg:

scopeuk i UNmuted the line-in and capture ports of my ac97 card.

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chehgarg:

juski with the dent in her nose and everything? that wouldn't bother you

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juski:

I wouldn't be able to see her face.. but nm

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Scopeuk:

chehgarg yes but did you do it in the recording/capture section of the mixer

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** Scopeuk sulks beocuse myth frontend died horibly **

[15:17:44]

Scopeuk:

now if only sound quality wasent limited by the crappy wireless speakers that im currently use

[15:17:49]

juski:

aanyway.. screenshot of the gnomey mixer coming up shortly

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Scopeuk:

cant elvie i ran out of speaker

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** Scopeuk as grown to love alsamixer **

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chehgarg:

i'm using gnome-mixer i just see playback tabs and capture tabs, whereever i saw a chance to unmute for ac97 i unmuted

[15:19:16]

chehgarg:

but the tv tuner card, i muted what came in, not out

[15:19:25]

chehgarg:

i'm so confused, fucking lack of sleep

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juski:

don't mute anything on the tuner card

[15:21:39]

juski:

http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mixerjy5.jpg

[15:21:59]

juski:

the colours are messed up because of my slow vnc connection

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chehgarg:

ahhh see what you have on the capture tab... i don't have that , i have one optiona dn thats called "capture" in the capture tab

[15:24:44]

Martini:

QUETION is there a big difference between the Hauppauge PVR150 and 250 video quaility wise?

[15:24:45]

chehgarg:

on playback i have thos options

[15:25:09]

chehgarg:

not sure if it matters though

[15:25:36]

chehgarg:

well maybe it does, cause this means i've been doing what you've been telling me, and had no results

[15:25:47]

chehgarg:

which means... maybe i ahve a different problem?

[15:26:19]

juski:

Martini: pvr150 is allegedly slightly better

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frink_:

juski: great that pic has a nice soft pron banner ad right above it ;-)

[15:27:39]

Paladine:

back

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frink_:

how does the 150/250 playback work? Do you plug your tv into it so that that card becomes the graphica card, is it an overlay?

[15:27:48]

Martini:

Juski: Thank! are there any other models that are easily compatible with mythtv I'm planning an running a Gentoo box

[15:28:41]

juski:

Martini: plenty, but no others worth having for analogue capture

[15:29:02]

juski:

frink_: pvr150/250 – they're only capture cards

[15:29:19]

frink_:

juski: I thought they had built in mpeg decoders?

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Paladine:

Martini, you don't run gentoo, it runs you

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Dagmar:

frink_: It doesn't. Those cards have no output

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juski:

frink_: ENcoders

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Scopeuk:

frink_ encoders the 350 has a decoder

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chehgarg:

i'm regretting starting this project

[15:31:16]

Dagmar:

The 250 is basically obsolete anyway

[15:31:20]

frink_:

Ahhh yeah thats the one.. The 350 – so how does the 350 work then? :)

[15:31:21]

chehgarg:

i've been at this more than 12 hours

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juski:

Ehometime

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chehgarg:

ugh, dvdplayback works perfect

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chehgarg:

so fucking bittersweet this is

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DVBMark:

juski, just a curiosity question. Love the Blootube theme, as most do I am sure, just was curious, is there anything that can speed up navigating the theme, like adding more memory or anything, or is it a limitation of myth? Not a major thing, just like going into some menus, which might be a database thing, like mythvideo and such, is real slow.

[15:39:38]

Dagmar:

It's usually the database

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DVBMark:

figured as much, not really anything to do to optimize that is there?

[15:40:14]

Dagmar:

Not really

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DVBMark:

aight, thanks for the reply

[15:40:26]

Dagmar:

What uid are you running the frontend as?

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DVBMark:

localuser 1000

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DVBMark:

mine is AMD 3500 running amd64, 1gig ram, and it is noticibly slower than the default themes, but ell worhth the slowdown lol

[15:44:24]

Dagmar:

I hope to get more work done on the lcars theme I was doing a few weeks ago

[15:44:36]

Dagmar:

Something that actually matters came up and now they expect me to do work at work.

[15:44:38]

Dagmar:

*sigh*

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Paladine:

OMG!!! I soooo wanna get one of these for my son

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Paladine:

http://www.woolworths.co.uk/ww_p2/product/ind . . . pid=50762060

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DVBMark:

juski's are the only ones I have seen besides the default ones, would like to see others though, themes are awesome

[15:44:56]

DVBMark:

lol

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frink_:

Paladine: Cool, how old is he?

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Dagmar:

Get him some spinners and subs to go with it. ;)

[15:45:36]

frink_:

I am not sure how good it will be in London though..

[15:45:37]

DVBMark:

lmao forget the kid get one for yourself lol

[15:45:39]

frink_:

1) it'll get nicked

[15:45:42]

frink_:

2) he'll get run over

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Paladine:

frink_, 12 months

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frink_:

Paladine: Cool, mine is 18 months :)

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DVBMark:

Dagmar got any screenshots on the lcar?

[15:46:09]

Paladine:

12 months but bigger than most 3–4 yr olds :)

[15:46:21]

Dagmar:

DVBMark: Not particularly. A whole buncha disjointed stuff in SVG at the moment

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frink_:

Paladine: Wow, you feeding him human growth hormone? ;-)

[15:46:27]

Paladine:

frink, what height and weight is yours?

[15:46:35]

Dagmar:

Working out the proper proportions and colors for all the little pieces was the bitchy part

[15:46:37]

Paladine:

mine is ~40lbs and over 3 feet tall

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frink_:

Paladine: About 85–90 cm – duno weight..

[15:46:47]

frink_:

40lbs and 3 foot!

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Dagmar:

...now it's just a matter of figuring out what the hell to use for watermarks

[15:46:56]

Paladine:

over 3 foot :)

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frink_:

Jeepers! How big was he at birth?

[15:46:59]

Paladine:

about 40"

[15:47:09]

Paladine:

22" and 10lb 15oz at birth

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** frink_ feints **

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Dagmar:

DVBMark: I blew quite a bit of time trying to figure out if there was anything in the OpenGL paint engine I could use to spiff it up a little.... the answer is a definite "no" at this point in time

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frink_:

Paladine: That's amazing.. Your poor missus!

[15:48:18]

Paladine:

frink_, we just bought a hrness reign set for him yesterday, suitable upto 4 yrs

[15:48:21]

Paladine:

and he is too big forit

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Paladine:

harness

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Dagmar:

Without a control over the *rate* at which the fading happens, about the best I can hope for is to get nastygrams from epileptics if I want elements to actually blink on and off

[15:48:39]

Paladine:

his chest is like 20"

[15:48:46]

Paladine:

huge back and shoulders

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** stuarta suggests joining the local rugby team **

[15:48:55]

Dagmar:

Paladine: Get him smoking something to stunt his growth a bit

[15:49:07]

Paladine:

stuarta, naaah we are gonna try for another 10 and start our own NBA team :)

[15:50:42]

DVBMark:

heh Dagmar, no prob will be interested in seeing it when you have something on it. Lovin the theme aspect!

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Dagmar:

I may just release the first one with no watermarks used at all

[15:53:15]

Dagmar:

Simply because I can do technical art like a madman, but when it comes to creative stuff, I suck

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** frink_ is still bored **

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Paladine:

frink, well I have an exam next week, so go forward in time, get me the paper and come back again :)

[15:56:13]

null:

and don't forget the lotto numbers

[15:56:33]

Paladine:

yeah them too

[15:56:53]

null:

and get the hottest products from the macworld o/

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Dagmar:

...and HP's upcoming product line

[15:57:38]

Dagmar:

Let them pretext that one

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frink_:

15:56 < Dagmar> ...and HP's upcoming product line

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frink_:

hmm

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frink_:

I'll go with lottery numbers

[15:58:43]

Dagmar:

It wouldn't be useful, but it would really be entertaining to see their VP's reactions

[15:58:47]

frink_:

but then by knowing them I may change the state of the universe and so they will be differant.

[15:59:06]

Paladine:

frink, the easy answer is

[15:59:15]

Paladine:

don't look at them, just get them printed and give them to me

[16:00:47]

Paladine:

I got good news today :)

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frink_:

Oh..?

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Paladine:

I don't have any lectures until week commencing 29th Jan :)

[16:01:16]

frink_:

Can you Iron?

[16:01:22]

frink_:

:)

[16:01:24]

Paladine:

can I or do I?

[16:01:28]

frink_:

can..

[16:02:00]

Paladine:

yeah of course I can, I had military training hehehe ironing is an essential skill when you do military training

[16:02:12]

Paladine:

but do I? No

[16:03:08]

frink_:

Cool. Then if you're at a loose end on your week off, I'd be delighted if you were to come and do all my Ironing.

[16:03:15]

frink_:

Paladine: What you doing at uni anyway?

[16:03:45]

Paladine:

finishing my Applied Sociology and Information Systems degree

[16:03:48]

Paladine:

then doing a phd

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frink_:

Cool. Full time?

[16:04:07]

Paladine:

well depends on your definition of full time

[16:04:21]

Paladine:

officially full time but I only have 6 hours of classes a week

[16:04:22]

frink_:

I am thinking of doing some Uni next year. Not sure though with my wee lad and another on the way. I'll have to arrange some extra income.

[16:05:06]

Paladine:

frink, well for me I did quite well on funding, adult dependent allowance for my missus, child dependent allowance for my son, child tax credit and adult learning grant

[16:05:44]

frink_:

adult

[16:05:45]

frink_:

learning grant

[16:05:50]

frink_:

Oh how do you get them then?

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Paladine:

its all on studentfinancedirect.co.uk

[16:06:08]

frink_:

Thanks :)

[16:06:10]

** frink_ looks **

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Paladine:

it is an extra grant for mature students

[16:06:49]

frink_:

How do they define mature? Do they mean emotionally and mentally mature or just in age?

[16:06:58]

frink_:

;-)

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Paladine:

I think just age, or I wouldn't have got it,cos I am just a big kid at heart hehehe

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frink_:

Paladine: ;-) Good, me too.

[16:07:58]

Paladine:

hey frink, checkout http://www.scs-live.com/bubbly.mpeg

[16:08:26]

Paladine:

thats a video clip from my son's first birthday :)

[16:08:48]

frink_:

cool!

[16:08:53]

frink_:

www.isaacporter.org is mine :)

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Paladine:

I have gallery2 on http://www.symonds-family.com/gallery/

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Paladine:

hehehe Isaac is cute :)

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frink_:

We're doing that Baby Signing with him too. It's great, he can pretty much say anything rleevent to him now..

[16:13:12]

frink_:

Paladine: Wow he sure is a big lad :-)

[16:13:15]

** stuarta has visions of "Meet The Fockers" **

[16:13:29]

Paladine:

yeah heis huge hehehe

[16:13:53]

Paladine:

I just captured another 1h20m of footage from the dvcam earlier

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frink_:

I am still downloading it..

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frink_:

He looks great though :)

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Paladine:

he is a lot of fun

[16:14:52]

Paladine:

and a real handful

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Paladine:

being so big and so developed

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frink_:

Thats really cool.

[16:15:20]

frink_:

Hmm, that website is good, thanks.

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juski:

not a bad journey home considering...

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Paladine:

oh frink (just watched noisy boy) I forgot to mention, Logan has slept through the night every night since birth and rarely cries for anything apart from when he is really badly teething :)

[16:20:08]

Paladine:

he is the complete opposite of the text book baby

[16:20:15]

Paladine:

he doesn't even crap his diaper at night

[16:20:20]

Paladine:

only durin gthe day

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juski:

diaper?!

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frink_:

Paladine: Just you wait. When you have another one, life will get you back :-)

[16:20:58]

Paladine:

frink, aye probably lol

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frink_:

Isaac was pretty good really.. He screamed fo the first 2 months with oclic, but since then he's been fine. He pretty much asks to go to bed now.

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BULLE:

todays word of wisdom: what goes down, must come up

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juski:

don't tell me that's another step on the road to full Americanization (sic)...

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stuarta:

what goes in, must come out...?

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Paladine:

juski, I always revert to americanisms online out of respect for the fact that most of the people I talk to are not british and therefore don't understand english :)

[16:21:32]

frink_:

Hmmm my employer will partially fund higher education if it is usefull to the company.

[16:21:39]

frink_:

I am not sure how usefull a Theology degree is...

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** juski chuckles **

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Xanium4332:

I'm british

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juski:

I just had another idea for a dvd intro vid. but it'll be a bitch to do

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juski:

rsdvd: it's ready to grab, fyi :)

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frink_:

16:19 < Paladine> he doesn't even crap his diaper at night

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frink_:

Are you American? ;-)

[16:26:19]

Paladine:

no I explained already :p

[16:26:25]

Paladine:

"juski, I always revert to americanisms online out of respect for the fact that most of the people I talk to are not british and therefore don't understand english :)"

[16:26:34]

frink_:

Heh sorry, missed that.

[16:26:55]

frink_:

Paladine: Seems quite a few British people do not understand English these days..

[16:27:30]

juski:

bah I can think of one great advantage to using frames in a webpage rather than css

[16:27:44]

frink_:

juski: yeah..?

[16:27:48]

juski:

menu buttons. in frames you only ever need to update one page

[16:27:59]

frink_:

hmm yes

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Xanium4332:

but the amount of data transfered is marginal

[16:28:19]

frink_:

I got a book on CSS and I still do not understand how to use them.. Though I did not actually read the book.

[16:28:20]

Xanium4332:

it's images that use bandwidth

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Inssomniak:

Im trying to run mythtv-vid branch where I was running svn mythtv before, but mythtv-vid wants all these new database entries, is there a way to put them in there without wrecking the database?

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juski:

Xanium4332: it's not that I'm bothered about. It's the fact I want to add one more menu item & I need to change 7 pages

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Xanium4332:

oh

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juski:

Inssomniak: back up, back up, back up, back up

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Xanium4332:

is this for mythweb?

[16:29:23]

juski:

Xanium4332: nope

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Xanium4332:

ok then

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juski:

my css is almost up to scratch for starting to 'skin' that though :)

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Xanium4332:

I think mythweb is god, but if someone were to make it AJAX, that would be cool

[16:30:12]

Xanium4332:

sorry

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juski:

now there's something I'm absolutely fucking never letting into the public domain

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Xanium4332:

I mean AJAX based

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Xanium4332:

lol

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juski:

people whine enough about my themes as it is

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Xanium4332:

ur theme is good

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Xanium4332:

I like ur blootube

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frink_:

is there a tivo theme ?

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juski:

it actually DOES use too much memory though.. blootube-wide is too much for my minimyth frontend at 720x576!

[16:31:34]

juski:

frink_: nope

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juski:

never seen a tivo UI

[16:31:47]

Inssomniak:

is there a guide or howto on backing up/restoring the mythtv database?

[16:31:57]

juski:

Inssomniak: wiki.mythtv.org

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frink_:

hmm never heard of minimyth

[16:32:04]

** frink_ googles **

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frink_:

Oh.. I like :)

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juski:

stuarta: you seen jams' ISO yet?

[16:32:56]

juski:

it's very very smart

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stuarta:

nope. have only just started on mythtv mailbox :)

[16:33:19]

juski:

heh

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stuarta:

let alone -users

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juski:

it's not 'out' yet but I tried it on my spare machine the other night

[16:33:56]

juski:

took maybe 15 mins to get a worky mythtv box from putting the cd in

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Scopeuk:

i dont rearly have asparemyth capeable box

[16:34:15]

Scopeuk:

otherwise id try it now

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Inssomniak:

mythconverg is the database name if I remember?

[16:34:35]

juski:

Inssomniak: yes

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stuarta:

juski: what's that based on?

[16:35:22]

juski:

stuarta: er... lfs I think, with other bits & bobs

[16:35:35]

juski:

graphical installer!

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stuarta:

gui phooey...

[16:35:53]

juski:

backend settings UI menus too

[16:36:01]

juski:

tickbox to enable mythweb & stuff

[16:36:31]

juski:

stuarta: yeah but put aside your own perspective & think about it from a noob's point of view ;)

[16:36:51]

frink_:

Oh the epia SP boards have hardware mpeg decoders...

[16:36:57]

juski:

it really is how things should be IMHO

[16:37:41]

juski:

frink_: my epia M10000 does too

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Scopeuk:

effectivly its the sort of distro a user at my level should be using

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Xanium4332:

can the decoders handle hd

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frink_:

juski: Is the TV out OK on them?

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Xanium4332:

like 1080i

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juski:

Xanium4332: some models can yes

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Xanium4332:

hmm

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juski:

frink_: yeah – about as good as nvidia

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juski:

they're a cute little board too. admittedly not as dinky as a mac mini

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frink_:

how big is minimyth? Is it flash drive-able?

[16:38:59]

Inssomniak:

I dont understand still how to get those wanted values into the database, even if I was starting over

[16:39:32]

juski:

frink_: the tarballs are less than 60MB. the NFS version (or USB/HDD boot) inflates to less than 128MB

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frink_:

Oh, so easily PIX/NFS bootup...

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juski:

strip un-needed themes out of it & shave the size down to less than 100MB

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frink_:

Yeah. I guess it minimyth supports the mpeg decoder?

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juski:

frink_: yup

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juski:

there's support for other mini-itx boards now too but YMMV

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juski:

I still want to get my head around rolling my own

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Xanium4332:

ymmv?

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juski:

your mileage may vary

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Xanium4332:

oh

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Xanium4332:

thanks

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Martini:

Got another question...How do I know if it will work with a remote or is that pretty much standard even though they don't come with one

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S2:

Martini, see the lirc web page

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juski:

I dunno if I'd ever have another epia frontend though, not after the headache I had with my current one

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juski:

better altogether to just chuck as much cpu at the problem as you can

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Inssomniak:

mythtv automatically creates the tables in the database? but the database must not contain any tables to start with?

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Xanium4332:

juski: what kind of problems did you have with your epia board

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Xanium4332:

and what distro were u using

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frink_:

Bah I only have an old EPIA board.

[17:13:27]

frink_:

May try it anyway

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Xanium4332:

what epia board would you recommedn

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juski:

Xanium4332: I had serious problems playing back SDTV mpeg2 in minimyth 0.20–20 but it's great once more with 0.20–21. Ubuntu just about worked okay with it but was too slow to boot up

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frink_:

juski has the M1000 which seems good

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frink_:

built in MPEG decoder

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juski:

frink_: it could barely even cope on the last minimyth I tried, but I'd never had any trouble with it until that release

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juski:

I got pretty desperate..

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Xanium4332:

I just found these

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Xanium4332:

http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=32

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Xanium4332:

look pretty good

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juski:

which is why I ended up with ubuntu on there – out of desperation

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juski:

fair dues though – ubuntu more or less 'just worked (tm)'

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frink_:

juski: What does minimyth do to it!?

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juski:

minimyth doesn't 'do' anything to it

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frink_:

bah I need to go home now

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frink_:

I am knackered

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** frink_ sneaks out **

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juski:

I've always used minimyth with my epia frontend right from the start

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frink_:

see ya all.

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juski:

see ya

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frink_:

I'll try minimyth tonight on my EPOA..

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frink_:

cheers all.

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Xanium4332:

just wondering what the support level is for the onboard gfx card

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Xanium4332:

probably intel based graphics

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juski:

Xanium4332: the via thing? built into X

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Xanium4332:

bi

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chehgarg:

ack! i get a high-pitched squeal on me audio when i watch tv... while it is progress, it is annoying

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Xanium4332:

nah

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Xanium4332:

this board: http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=32

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juski:

bound to be intel

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Xanium4332:

yeh

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Xanium4332:

support any good?

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chehgarg:

juski i got a high pithc :)

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Xanium4332:

I heard the drivers were open source

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chehgarg:

yo momma's open source

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juski:

Xanium4332: I heard tv out doesn't work well in the open source drivers

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chehgarg:

i got semi-sound

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juski:

on some sets, not at all

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chehgarg:

just kiddin' it's the lack of sleep

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Xanium4332:

I'm only interested in DVI

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juski:

chehgarg: behave

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juski:

Xanium4332: should be fine

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Xanium4332:

and I don't know what else (TV-output wise) that board ahs

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chehgarg:

juski tryin' but i got a squeal... what does that mean?

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Xanium4332:

although I think a normal epia board should be fine

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juski:

chehgarg: it means.. time to check yo mixer settings

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juski:

Xanium4332: they're seriously expensive motherboards for the features though

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Xanium4332:

hmm

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Xanium4332:

but the epia boards come with a processor

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juski:

Xanium4332: yeah they do – I think they're quite good value

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chehgarg:

juski if the mixer were a physical object i'd probably have broken 4 of them already and probably lslayed a couple of bystanders

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juski:

I think the Aopen mini-itx boards are the expensive ones

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Xanium4332:

there new...

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Xanium4332:

sry, they're new...

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Inssomniak:

Timed out waiting for free video buffers <--

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Inssomniak:

anyone know what causes this?

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juski:

timing out waiting for free video buffers prolly

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Xanium4332:

brb

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Xanium4332:

lol

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Inssomniak:

lol no kidding

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Inssomniak:

yea I found that, it says why, but it doesnt say anything about fixing it :(

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juski:

hdtv playback? sdtv playback?

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juski:

using xvmc or not?

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Inssomniak:

hdtv playback I believe with xvmc and opengl

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Inssomniak:

havent figured out mythtv-vid entirely

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juski:

basically I think it means your machine isn't fast enough to play back video with the settings you've used

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone know of an easy way to extract .avi from a bin/cue kvcd movie?

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juski:

ShiftyPowers: there's probably no easy way

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ShiftyPowers:

ah

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ShiftyPowers:

ok, i'll just redownload then

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juski:

or talk the provider of that free video into making an xvid version

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chehgarg:

arg i ahve to leave... but thanks everyone

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juski:

ah screw it I'm gonna just revamp my s100 pages & do em some justice

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juski:

they need more info adding to em anyway

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slowone:

ShiftyPowers: http://www.jonhoweonline.com/blog/node/82 to mount the vcd image... then just copy the file off the mounted image...

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juski:

ahh but to turn it into xvid or divx... that's a job for tools that are hardly one click in linux (or anything come to think) ;)

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Inssomniak:

Timed out waiting for free video buffers <-- for me its "opengl vsyng" doesnt work at all

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[Jasper]:

I wonder if the dragoncam is able to decode sky digital

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Inssomniak:

nVidiaVideoSync: VBlank ioctl did not work, unimplemented in this driver?

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Inssomniak:

anyone have suggestions to getting SOME sort of video blank sync working?? besides RTC?

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Anduin:

Inssomniak: Did you try the OpenGL one?

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Inssomniak:

yea

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Inssomniak:

It is dead to the water, I just see the first 1–2 frames and it freezes with logs filling up with "Timed out waiting for free video buffers.", tried different nvidia driver versions, etc nothing works

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Inssomniak:

yea it doesnt matter if its HD or SD, opengl vsync does not work at all

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juski:

opengl vsync is known to cause performance issues in some cases

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Inssomniak:

yea but at least Id like to try it, it appears thats the only one that possibly gonna work besides RTC (which sucks)

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juski:

what about _without_ xvmc?

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Inssomniak:

I dont use xvmc

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gardengnome:

RTC sucks? why?

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gardengnome:

usleep with busy wait ought to be worse..

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Inssomniak:

it still tears

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Inssomniak:

do you have to use xvmc with opengl vsync?

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gardengnome:

interlacing artefacts, huh?

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Inssomniak:

no, vertical tearing, its flipping in the middle of the frame

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Anduin:

Inssomniak: No you don't (gl sync), you can look at the logs to make sure it is actually being used though.

[19:02:02]

Inssomniak:

It is

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Inssomniak:

I see SGI Opengl

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Inssomniak:

but video is never shown just the first frame or 2

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Inssomniak:

then that log entry

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gardengnome:

how can you tell it's related to the video timing method?

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Inssomniak:

the vertical tearing?

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Inssomniak:

2007-01–08 13:55:39.017 OpenGLVideoSync: x,y -> 960, 540

[19:04:28]

Inssomniak:

2007-01–08 13:55:39.040 Using OpenGLVideoSync

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Inssomniak:

2007-01–08 13:55:39.049 Video timing method: SGI OpenGL

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Anduin:

Inssomniak: does glxgears work?

[19:06:21]

Inssomniak:

yup

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gardengnome:

Inssomniak: so, only the opengl one doesn't show video?

[19:06:40]

Inssomniak:

only the first frame or so

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gardengnome:

ah, gotcha.

[19:06:52]

gardengnome:

thought you meant something else

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Inssomniak:

glx gears works fine

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Inssomniak:

OpenGL version string: 2.0.2 NVIDIA 87.74

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Anduin:

Inssomniak: Did you enable using the video as the timebase?

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Inssomniak:

hmm not sure

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Inssomniak:

Using audio as timebase is seen in the logs

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rsdvd:

juski : thanks for the message. I have copied the pages if you decide you want to take doewn that page again

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Anduin:

Inssomniak: Yeah, I was going to have you disable it if you enabled it anyway

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Inssomniak:

using video as timebase doesnt make any difference though

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Anduin:

Inssomniak: How about rt threads, is that enabled?

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Inssomniak:

thats enabled yes

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Anduin:

Inssomniak: disabling it doesn't help?

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Inssomniak:

ill try

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Inssomniak:

no luck, disabling it same problem

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Anduin:

Inssomniak: are you running with -v playback?

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Inssomniak:

yea

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Martini:

I'm having problems choising a remote system

[19:26:25]

Martini:

I looked at the LIRC web page and well I'm confused

[19:27:16]

Martini:

I have a remote that came with my new dell laptop with MCE on it could I use that with the home brew serial adapter?

[19:28:27]

Martini:

it came with a USB Sensor and uses RC6

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siXy:

my crontab line looks like */5 * * * * root /path/to/script &> /dev/null which should run every 5 minutes but doesnt seem to be. what have i missed?

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kormoc:

what's the root doing in there?

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siXy:

user to run the script as

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kormoc:

that's now how crontabs work

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opello:

kormoc: /etc/crontab, not crontab -e

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kormoc:

ooh, oops

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Inssomniak:

is there certain deinterlacers that dont work with opengl vsync?

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opello:

in general, you shouldn't have to :)

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siXy:

yeah but i dont know any other way to make a script run that frequently

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siXy:

other than make it hourly with a five minute loop, but thats highly inelegant

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kormoc:

siXy, set it in your root's crontab

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juski:

oh wait I remember reading something about tearing & how it can be related to your vertical refresh rate

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kormoc:

siXy, sudo crontab -e

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kormoc:

siXy, and then */5 * * * * /path/to/script &> /dev/null

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siXy:

ah ok – thanks

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kormoc:

siXy, and remove the /dev/null part, and you should get output from cron when it runs

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siXy:

5 minutes seems like forever to wait sometimes :X

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dpeddi:

hi

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Xanium4332:

why are u waiting?

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Xanium4332:

hi

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siXy:

waiting for my cron job to run

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Xanium4332:

lol

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Xanium4332:

kill some time by reading up on EVMS

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Xanium4332:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_setup_evms

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Xanium4332:

could be useful for myth system

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Xanium4332:

oh yeah, does anyone know if you can simply mount a hdd to a folder under the mythtv/recordings directory, and myth will use the extra space

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siXy:

is there any point to evms over a xfs lvm volume on a raid array?

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Xanium4332:

erm

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Xanium4332:

I've heard bad things about LVM, and EVMS seems to be more proffesional

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Xanium4332:

EVMS does what LVM can do + a little more

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Xanium4332:

I think

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dpeddi:

does mythtvsupport video output to full feature dvb-s card like vdr does?

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Xanium4332:

i don't think myth requires a 'full featured' card

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psofa:

no

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Xanium4332:

but don't count on my device

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siXy:

woooo it works :) thanks kormoc

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juski:

myth categorically does NOT support FF dvb-s or dvb-c cards like VDR does

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kormoc:

siXy, heh, you're welcome :)

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Xanium4332:

what does a 'full featured' card even do?!?

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Xanium4332:

compared to a budget card

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kormoc:

it has more features

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[Jasper]:

juski you think the dragoncam II supports sky?

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Xanium4332:

ie...

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Xanium4332:

tread carefully....

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kormoc:

like the feature that exists to raise the price of the card

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hads:

heh

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Xanium4332:

lol, I'm serious

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juski:

[Jasper]: first rule about legally grey areas in #mythtv-users.. don't talk about legally grey areas in #mythtv-users

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kormoc:

heh, in all seriousness, hell if I know :P

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juski:

[Jasper]: the second rule about legally grey areas in #mythtv-users.. don't talk about legally grey areas in #mythtv-users

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Xanium4332:

that's what I meant by 'tread carefully...'

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[Jasper]:

I see

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[Jasper]:

is dragoncam an illegal product?

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Xanium4332:

got another IRC channel he can talk about it in?

[19:44:17]

Xanium4332:

well it's grey

[19:44:25]

juski:

FF DVB-S and DVB-C cards are a bit like the pvr350 – i.e. they have mpeg2 decoders onboard & have high quality TV outputs

[19:44:25]

Xanium4332:

cause the NDS encryption

[19:44:45]

kormoc:

[Jasper], it's questionable enough that we don't/can't talk about it in here

[19:44:48]

Xanium4332:

mpeg2 decoder for video output?

[19:44:55]

[Jasper]:

I see..

[19:44:59]

juski:

[Jasper]: it's because $ky don't officially licence a CAM to _anybody_ but their approved manufacturers

[19:45:13]

juski:

hence the grey area

[19:45:13]

[Jasper]:

yes, so I heard

[19:45:30]

Xanium4332:

so a full featured card just has hardware acceleration for TV output through it?

[19:45:38]

juski:

if Murdoch's lawyers started banging on mythtv.org's door it wouldn't be good

[19:45:58]

juski:

Xanium4332: yeah.. and it's only a framebuffer

[19:46:03]

Xanium4332:

lol

[19:46:05]

[Jasper]:

but that's basically like saying....no-one else can listen to radio broadcasts if the listening devices are not the ones provided by the radio broadcasters ?

[19:46:11]

Xanium4332:

I don't see much point to them anymore

[19:46:17]

juski:

[Jasper]: there'll be no arguing about it

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Xanium4332:

lol

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Xanium4332:

my advice would be to find another IRC channel

[19:46:45]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v juski

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[Jasper]:

:P

[19:47:10]

Xanium4332:

or a forum

[19:47:13]

Xanium4332:

but

[19:47:21]

juski:

but nothing

[19:47:26]

Xanium4332:

just dont mention anything on this IRC channel or the mailing lists

[19:47:31]

gardengnome:

yeah, just use mythtvtalk.com ;)))

[19:47:35]

gardengnome:

(don't.)

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[Jasper]:

:P

[19:47:43]

juski:

see how quick you get banned :-P

[19:47:54]

Xanium4332:

juski: I'm on your side...

[19:47:57]

Xanium4332:

lol

[19:48:09]

Xanium4332:

anyway

[19:48:16]

juski:

I don't think any English speaking users have ever been banned for talking about illegal stuff.. I've only ever banned spammers

[19:48:20]

gardengnome:

(don't.)

[19:48:27]

juski:

and they're not even real users anyway

[19:48:27]

[Jasper]:

it's allright, I won't speak of it anymore

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Xanium4332:

lol

[19:48:46]

[Jasper]:

I'll just order it and see for myself :P

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Xanium4332:

I never even knew about VDR....

[19:49:22]

Xanium4332:

and didn't realise is required a fullfeatured card to work

[19:49:25]

juski:

VDR is so fast to install

[19:49:31]

gardengnome:

juski: well, *I* got banned.

[19:49:32]

juski:

like untar.. woof!

[19:49:45]

Xanium4332:

but it only does tv right?

[19:49:47]

juski:

gardengnome: I banned myself, but that's another story

[19:49:53]

Xanium4332:

smooth....

[19:49:55]

gardengnome:

juski: yeah, right.

[19:50:10]

juski:

Xanium4332: nope. but it's all about the 'all in one box' solution, VDR

[19:50:19]

Xanium4332:

oh

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juski:

you can't have backends & frontends AFAIK

[19:50:27]

bolty:

you dont need to have an ff card for vdr

[19:50:32]

Xanium4332:

oh

[19:50:33]

bolty:

you can use the softdevice

[19:50:34]

juski:

true

[19:50:37]

Xanium4332:

but can it play dvd's

[19:50:39]

Xanium4332:

and music

[19:50:42]

Xanium4332:

and other video?

[19:50:50]

bolty:

yes lots of plugins for vdr

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juski:

it can do most things mythtv can do

[19:50:53]

Xanium4332:

(not that I'm going to switch)

[19:50:56]

Xanium4332:

aaaah

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stuarta:

i've been on holidays too long. 1.25x normal speed is too fast :(

[19:51:05]

** juski chuckles **

[19:51:13]

Xanium4332:

try 0.75X

[19:51:28]

Xanium4332:

miiiigggghhhhtttt bbrrrriiinnngggg uuuuu ddoooowwwnnn toooo rreeeallllitttyyy

[19:51:42]

stuarta:

hahah! i'll just wait for the plot to slow down, like it already has :-P

[19:51:44]

juski:

has anyone ever tried using JACK with mythtv? I'm thinking about trying it to get some audio level compression

[19:51:57]

stuarta:

yeah did that for a while

[19:52:04]

juski:

does it work?

[19:52:22]

juski:

low enough latency or did you have to adjust the a/v/ sync?

[19:53:00]

stuarta:

the PITA is making sure jackd is started up first

[19:53:06]

stuarta:

with jackctl

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juski:

when I try it, if I can get it worky I'll document it on the wikiwikiwah

[19:53:15]

juski:

mmm jackd :)

[19:53:34]

stuarta:

i'm about to watch school of rock.

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Xanium4332:

nice...

[19:53:52]

Xanium4332:

the power stance...

[19:54:00]

juski:

gonna go see borat this wednesday

[19:54:03]

gardengnome:

does anyone have any experience with downmixing 5.1 AC3 to dolby pro logic? i tried liba52 but only got barely audible output, just the same as with normal stereo.

[19:54:05]

stuarta:

decided to watch quickly through several episodes of torchwood to make space first.

[19:54:17]

Xanium4332:

what does JACK actually do?

[19:54:18]

stuarta:

ENOPLOT

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gardengnome:

stuarta: have fun. the music is good, but it's a children's movie IMHO

[19:54:31]

stuarta:

hey i like spongebob!

[19:54:53]

juski:

Xanium4332: JACK is an audio engine, kind of similar in principle (but more complex) than directx audio

[19:54:59]

stuarta:

and random other kids shows....

[19:55:04]

Xanium4332:

ok.

[19:55:10]

Xanium4332:

I'll do some research

[19:55:19]

Xanium4332:

just I see the USE flag quite frequently

[19:55:19]

juski:

Dexter's Laboratory :)

[19:55:20]

psofa:

spongebob ftw

[19:55:29]

Xanium4332:

teletubies...

[19:55:34]

gardengnome:

stuarta: spongebob is different. i mean, he's cool, he's yellow, he's just got IT. anyways, have fun. hope you'll enjoy it :)

[19:55:36]

juski:

Powerpuff Girls

[19:55:46]

juski:

there's so much in those 'cartoons' that isn't for kids

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Xanium4332:

tooo low

[19:56:05]

Xanium4332:

I remember seeing a rainbow episode

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juski:

oh that xmas tape one?

[19:56:20]

Xanium4332:

that was soooo funny if u understud the real meanings

[19:56:24]

juski:

it's on yootube

[19:56:34]

juski:

and it wasn't real – I mean it never really went out

[19:56:39]

Xanium4332:

:(

[19:56:52]

juski:

made especially for the xmas party

[19:56:54]

Xanium4332:

the one with all the sexual refrences, it never aired??

[19:57:21]

juski:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dyqEPgRc6IE

[19:57:29]

Xanium4332:

ah, thanks..

[19:57:35]

juski:

saying it never aired isn't strictly true

[19:57:43]

hads:

Mythtv tries to use RTC first then usleep for timing correct?

[19:57:52]

juski:

Victor Lewis-Smith got hold of a copy & put clips into his 'TV Offal' show

[19:58:39]

juski:

when folks say they're shocked it played out as a real episode is complete bollocks and something of an urban myth

[19:58:44]

Xanium4332:

hmm, I wonder if my RTC module is loaded. Anyone know if the gentoo alsa scripts autoload the alsa RTC module?

[19:59:20]

gardengnome:

Xanium4332: i think it's just the normal rtc, nothing involving alsa

[19:59:30]

Xanium4332:

i know

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Xanium4332:

but there's an alsa rtc module

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Xanium4332:

how do I know if alsa is using RTC?

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kormoc:

Xanium4332, unlikely, just toss it into /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.#

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Xanium4332:

will do...

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hads:

Is there any way to tell myth to use RTC over usleep? I'm getting frame tearing and opengl vsync causes unstableness on my system.

[20:01:19]

hads:

I thought RTC my be better than usleep.

[20:01:43]

juski:

hads – on one of the mailing lists I read how someone cured tearing by setting their vertical refresh rate to match the rate of the playback material

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Anduin:

hads: RTC failing is often a perms issue

[20:02:52]

hads:

juski: Cheers, I've been playing with that too. I'm running a 32" widescreen CRT

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Xanium4332:

I've got a problem where when I start watching TV, TV stuttering occurs (like it's waiting for the audio to catch up). It gets worse (unbareable within 20 seconds), but if you just touch the rewind or pause, everything clears up.

[20:03:45]

hads:

Anduin: Yeah thanks, I have checked permissions and they should be fine. I see no mention of RTC in the frontend logs at all at the moment.

[20:04:02]

Anduin:

hads: -v playback?

[20:04:31]

hads:

Hmm, haven't tried that yet. Will do cheers.

[20:04:47]

hads:

Unfortunately I'm in the middle of shifting at the moment :/

[20:04:51]

Xanium4332:

obviously if I play a recording everything's fine

[20:05:29]

Xanium4332:

it's just if I start watching Live TV and don't touch the rewind problem that I get pauses (with no mention in mythfrontend's output)

[20:07:01]

Xanium4332:

anyone have any ideas?

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stuarta:

i bet it goes away if you pause and unpause..

[20:07:37]

Xanium4332:

yeh

[20:07:57]

stuarta:

known issue, which i think i'm getting closer to narrowing down...

[20:08:08]

Xanium4332:

ooOooh, nice

[20:08:19]

Xanium4332:

so it's a bug rather than an issue with my setup.

[20:08:33]

Xanium4332:

cause I seem to just attract problems with my motherboard

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Xanium4332:

and setup

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stuarta:

it's more a corner case where the cpu required to decode & render the video tiggers some compensation code which overshoots the target

[20:10:13]

Xanium4332:

so is there any way to cure it atm

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stuarta:

pause and unpause :)

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Xanium4332:

u know what I mean

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Xanium4332:

so, any fixes apart from hitting the pause button

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stuarta:

nope

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Xanium4332:

ok

[20:13:24]

Xanium4332:

but is it likely to be fixed

[20:13:27]

Xanium4332:

eventually

[20:13:38]

stuarta:

eventually is the key word :)

[20:13:48]

Xanium4332:

it never used to happen

[20:14:11]

stuarta:

there are several interacting factors which cause it to happen, so it's non trivial to fix

[20:14:23]

Xanium4332:

i know

[20:14:29]

Xanium4332:

I'm not really botheres

[20:16:06]

Xanium4332:

and almost everything doesnt work perfectly

[20:16:13]

Xanium4332:

amd motheboard

[20:16:17]

Xanium4332:

hangs

[20:16:25]

Xanium4332:

causes keyboard to stop responding over time

[20:16:42]

Xanium4332:

no support for it's surround sound out in linux (which I wanted)

[20:16:54]

Xanium4332:

graphics card

[20:16:56]

gardengnome:

ebay?

[20:16:56]

Xanium4332:

nvidia bugs

[20:17:00]

Xanium4332:

no

[20:17:06]

Xanium4332:

overclockers.co.uk

[20:17:12]

Xanium4332:

component crap out

[20:17:23]

Xanium4332:

DVB-T receiver

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Lotto-Kim:

Is it possible to set socket to mysql in the configuration-file?

[20:17:30]

Xanium4332:

crap reception on one of the receivers

[20:17:39]

Xanium4332:

imon vfd

[20:17:41]

Anduin:

Lotto-Kim: try DBPort (this may be too new)

[20:17:45]

Xanium4332:

remote is crap

[20:17:53]

Xanium4332:

and receiver wont pick anything else up

[20:17:57]

Xanium4332:

it's all just gone wrong

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Xanium4332:

/end rant

[20:18:58]

Xanium4332:

sry

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stuarta:

at least you've a decent adsl provider :)

[20:19:14]

Xanium4332:

erm

[20:19:19]

Xanium4332:

only 2 meg download

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Xanium4332:

lol

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Xanium4332:

I shudnt complain

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stuarta:

local conditions that is

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Lotto-Kim:

Anduin: same problem

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Xanium4332:

just this PC is really unfriendly towards linux (and I spent ages checking everything would work fine in linux)

[20:21:00]

decaf:

hi, I wanto to run mythtv on my one and only desktop machine. is it possible to run mythtv not fullscreen?

[20:21:11]

Xanium4332:

yep

[20:21:27]

decaf:

please point me to a doc for this

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Xanium4332:

can't remember the command line args tho

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hads:

-w

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Xanium4332:

I'm sure juski can tell u

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Anduin:

Lotto-Kim: Yeah, it didn't get pushed bat to -fixes, it is there in svn though

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hads:

decaf: mythfrontend -w

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Xanium4332:

that sounds about right

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decaf:

it seems this doesn't work for me

[20:24:13]

decaf:

and I have some more problems

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decaf:

thanks

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juski:

if you run mythfrontend in a window you cannot resiz..

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Anduin:

Lotto-Kim: Does it honor a my.cnf [client] port=blah?

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juski:

bah HOW impatient?!

[20:25:14]

juski:

Eproblemnotsolvedimmediately!

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hads:

heh

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Xanium4332:

who are u impersonating?

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juski:

I fucking hate that

[20:25:44]

juski:

login

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juski:

please help

[20:25:50]

juski:

anybody

[20:25:54]

juski:

anybody?

[20:25:55]

juski:

quit

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Xanium4332:

lol

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Lotto-Kim:

Anduin: got some other applications using mysq, but yeah, its possible. Does its connect to socket or port as default?

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hads:

Heh, the punctuation really does it for me.

[20:26:20]

juski:

I hope the samaritans pick up within 2 rings

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Anduin:

Lotto-Kim: if the host name is localhost it will use the local unix socket

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Anduin:

is universally understood

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juski:

munkeh is back on the telly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[20:42:09]

Xanium4332:

why are there so many users in this channel

[20:42:23]

Xanium4332:

and yet there's ~3 talking

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moh:

people like TV?

[20:42:28]

juski:

cos I'm mr popular? :-P

[20:42:48]

Xanium4332:

are u on hear almost 24/7

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stuarta:

monkey was on 6 months ago, or was it 9.35 ????

[20:42:52]

Xanium4332:

here*

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juski:

Xanium4332: nah

[20:43:24]

Xanium4332:

lol

[20:43:43]

Xanium4332:

just everytime I've been on the last couple of days, u've been on as well

[20:43:48]

juski:

stuarta: in this house we're massive fans of the ITV digital munkeh

[20:44:29]

juski:

hmm can I copy a file myth is recording ?

[20:45:31]

juski:

that'll do me!

[20:46:01]

Xanium4332:

in fact, it'll might even copy what's not even broadcasted yet :P

[20:46:29]

juski:

hookees I need to do a quick ffmpeg of that...

[20:47:37]

juski:

junk in packet. yeah it _was_ from ITV after all

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Xanium4332:

lol

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juski:

now that's something off ITV worth archiving.. munkeh ads

[20:49:37]

stuarta:

now i understand!

[20:50:13]

juski:

it's the funniest thing on the third channel in years

[20:51:39]

seth|laptop:

does mythtv support matrox video cards?

[20:51:58]

[R]:

if X supports it

[20:52:00]

[R]:

myth does

[20:52:00]

kormoc:

seth|laptop, okay, myth doesn't support *any* video cards, X does

[20:52:36]

seth|laptop:

ok, bad question, its an older card, like stoneage, came in the server i just got

[20:52:45]

[R]:

all matrox cards are old

[20:52:49]

[R]:

i have a g450

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[R]:

rock solid

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seth|laptop:

hehe, this one is in an HP visualize xclass graphics workstation, but it has dual p3 1ghz cpus and 1.5GB of ram, figure it would make a nice mythbackend

[20:53:32]

kormoc:

[R], what about the Matrox Axio family?

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juski:

OMFG that is excellent!! only caught the end of it downstairs. Oh boy

[20:53:54]

kormoc:

[R], given they're under a year old or so

[20:54:03]

[R]:

i've never heard of axio

[20:54:14]

kormoc:

seth|laptop, why do you need a video card for a backend?

[20:54:15]

[R]:

but if its one of them new fangled matrox cards

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seth|laptop:

this card has a whole 4MB of video ram, but it has dvi and stereo connections, and its like 13" long

[20:54:34]

kormoc:

[R], but you saying all matrox cards are old isn't true, as you know

[20:54:36]

stuarta:

it's got a p3, it's not new-fangled!

[20:54:47]

[R]:

yeah, after i said that i realized it was wrong

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seth|laptop:

kormoc: also put my dvd burner in it, figured I could use it for myth archive

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[R]:

i meant to say something along the lines of 'old matrox cards are the good ones'

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seth|laptop:

well this is definitely old

[20:55:30]

Zider:

all matrox cards are good ;)

[20:55:35]

seth|laptop:

and it weighs like 3 lbs

[20:56:06]

seth|laptop:

but it is agp 2x

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jk1joel:

so does the internal player not support divx? I ripped a movie w/ mythdvd and mythdvd plays it with mplayer

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GreyFoxx:

jk1joel: It plays divx/xvid just fine

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jk1joel:

so why does mythvideo default to mplayer for the divx on my system? did I not have the codec installed the first time it tried to play or something?

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GreyFoxx:

It's not defaulting for divx, it's defaulting compeltely or based on the file extensionname

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GreyFoxx:

It doesn't look at the codec before running a player

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alsoconfused:

jk1joel: setup->video->filetypes IIRC

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jk1joel:

ok. I'll go play with the filetypes. thanks

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ShiftyPowers:

man, LIRC blows

[21:03:51]

ShiftyPowers:

that is one thing windows has going for them at least

[21:03:58]

ShiftyPowers:

remotes work well in windows :(

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juski:

winlirc? pah!

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Xanium4332:

LIRC takes a while to setup

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Xanium4332:

but it works for me really well

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Xanium4332:

I just use a serial IR receiver

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juski:

if you wanna wuss out & go back to windows...

[21:04:37]

Xanium4332:

and an XBox 360 Universal Media remote

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Xanium4332:

u mean winblows

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ShiftyPowers:

hmm

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ShiftyPowers:

i've been able to get it to recognize my USBUIRT

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ShiftyPowers:

and record button presses into an lircd.conf

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Xanium4332:

I was using an iMon remote

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ShiftyPowers:

but when i run irw

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ShiftyPowers:

nothing happens

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Xanium4332:

but the receiver only worked with the iMon remote

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Xanium4332:

so I made a serial receiver instead

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Xanium4332:

ahh, are u using a USB-serial converter

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juski:

ShiftyPowers: the lirc daemon needs to be running

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ShiftyPowers:

it is running

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Xanium4332:

what kind of receiver do you have?

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ShiftyPowers:

but now bloody irw won't even stay running, returns a command prompt right away

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ShiftyPowers:

i'm using a USB UIRT

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ShiftyPowers:

as the receiver

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Sembiance:

:)

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Xanium4332:

sorry

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Xanium4332:

missed that

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Xanium4332:

lol

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ShiftyPowers:

:)

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ShiftyPowers:

support is brand new for it

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Xanium4332:

looks nice

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ShiftyPowers:

so i didn't expect it to work right away

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Sembiance:

So I have some HDTV cards, but they record into files that are much to big. Does MythTV offer a way to encode these into something smaller? (perhaps on a scheduled basis)

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juski:

transcoding, you mean.. of course

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Sembiance:

where is such a thing set up?

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ShiftyPowers:

can i transcode something from mythweb?

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Sembiance:

and how hard is it?

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juski:

Sembiance: mythfrontend > utils/setup > setup > tv > recording profiles > transcode

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juski:

Sembiance: depends what you call 'hard'

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juski:

check the wiki for tips

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ShiftyPowers:

juski can we transcode post facto....go into recording and say transcode?

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Xanium4332:

yeah I don't really understand all the transcoding profiles

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Xanium4332:

what values would you recommend for High, Medium, and Low quality

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juski:

I recommend.. whatever works for you :)

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Xanium4332:

just an example

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Xanium4332:

cause at the moment they're all set to the same thing

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Xanium4332:

and whenever I transcode something it doubles in size

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juski:

my frontend won't play transcoded files properly

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Xanium4332:

cause of the codec?

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juski:

plus the fact I don't need to skimp on disk space

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Xanium4332:

nor do I really

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juski:

codec and video drivers

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juski:

plus I dont think mpeg4 is good enough quality

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Xanium4332:

but if I can transcode to mpeg4 or whatever, not have any quality loss, but use less space

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Xanium4332:

I'll go for it

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juski:

not had time to play with it much

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Xanium4332:

I just meant i high compression codec in general

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Sembiance:

Can I buy hardware so I can encode without taxing the CPU?

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juski:

Sembiance: yeah, but not mpeg4 unless you mean the plextor convertx

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juski:

hauppauge pvr cards, or dvb or atsc or firewire or hdhomerun, or... qam..

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juski:

in other words.. anything but rotten framegrabber cards :)

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Xanium4332:

basically anything but an anoluge capture card

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juski:

hauppauge pvr cards are analogue

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juski:

but they have hardware mpeg2 encoders

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Xanium4332:

well

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Xanium4332:

ok

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Xanium4332:

I forgot about that

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Cardoe:

howdy all

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juski:

heh that ad is on youtube already: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoD2w-Ogi4E

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Cardoe:

juski: www.gatorsvsbuckeyes.com

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone know what Transcode failed with status: 255 means?

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juski:

ShiftyPowers: possibly that you didnt set up a transcoding profile, or maybe mythtranscode pooped its pants

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ShiftyPowers:

ah i just pooped my pants too

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ShiftyPowers:

dammit

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echosyp:

would an ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9000 IGP be sufficient?

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Cardoe:

Any ideas on how to make Myth record a bit brighter then it currently is?

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Cardoe:

off my PVR-500 it records really dark

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juski:

Cardoe: probably channel video settings

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Cardoe:

all channels are dark

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Cardoe:

I didn't see ANY brightness tweaks anywhere

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juski:

or use a v4l2ctl command, shoved into a script

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juski:

v4l2ctl or ivtvctl (as was)

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Cardoe:

right but that's a hack...

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Cardoe:

Myth should be able to do that natively

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juski:

it can but only on a per-channel basis AFAIK

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juski:

find a setting that works for one, then copy the settings across all your channels.

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juski:

again it's hackish

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juski:

as far as I know there's no other way

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echosyp:

i hope this laptop will work good enough for a mythbox

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juski:

anyhoo.. time to go... g'night all

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echosyp:

well enough*

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ShiftyPowers:

is there somewhere in the frontend where i can manage the jobs currently running on the backend?

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ShiftyPowers:

man, this is annoying

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ShiftyPowers:

transcode keeps failing on my ass

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ivor_:

try transcoding video instead.

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Sembiance:

ShiftyPowers: that's unfortunate

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ShiftyPowers:

ivor: what do you mena?

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ShiftyPowers:

mean

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Sembiance:

ShiftyPowers: part of me wonders if setting up a cronjob to transcode recordings and delete the originals myself would be better :)

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hads:

heh

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ShiftyPowers:

i'm trying to transcode video

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ShiftyPowers:

i went into watch recordings

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ShiftyPowers:

change job options for a particular recording

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ShiftyPowers:

and said start transcode

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ShiftyPowers:

picked a profile

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ShiftyPowers:

and then it just fails

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bolty:

all that effort to get HD, only to transcode it down?? How big are your files?

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ShiftyPowers:

they're big, 22 gigs

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ShiftyPowers:

like a football game

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ShiftyPowers:

but I'm just testing it out

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ShiftyPowers:

i've got plennty of space

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bolty:

i archive and shrink mine using various dvd appys

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ShiftyPowers:

any pointers bolty

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ShiftyPowers:

to such apps?

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bolty:

well for windows... convertxtodvd

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ShiftyPowers:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nuvexport

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone use that?

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ivor:

ShiftyPowers: run mythtranscode from the command line and see if it says anything interesting

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ShiftyPowers:

aight

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ShiftyPowers:

i'll try that

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ivor:

ShiftyPowers: ps. "try transcoding video" as opposed to "transcode keeps failing on my ass" :)

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Sembiance:

my main problem is my 1080p HDTV recorded content looks weird/blocky on my 720p display

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Sembiance:

Yet I've watched DivX encoded for 720p and it looks beautiful

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Sembiance:

So I'm guessing I'll either have to buy myself a 1080p display (unlikely) or have these HDTV recordings transcoded to 720p

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ShiftyPowers:

this is the error i get in mythtranscode

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ShiftyPowers:

http://pastebin.ca/310563

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ShiftyPowers:

any ideas?

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Sembiance:

is your front end and back end same version? How did you install the back end (has it been upated several times or is it a fresh install?)

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Sembiance:

which version too?

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ShiftyPowers:

both are latest svn

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ShiftyPowers:

both backend and frontend

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ShiftyPowers:

it says column 'recdir' cannot be null

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ShiftyPowers:

seems to be the first error

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madd_matt:

I'm going to be upgrading my hard drive in my backend this week. What is the recommended filesystem? I'm using ext3 right now, but I think there might be better ones.

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xris:

ext3 for the OS, xfs or ext3 for data

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hads:

JFS works for me

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ShiftyPowers:

should the files in my mythtv directory be .nuv or .mpg?

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ShiftyPowers:

i have only .mpgs

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Anduin:

ShiftyPowers: If you have a hardware encoding card that is as it should be

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ShiftyPowers:

i have no hardware encoding card though

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ShiftyPowers:

i only have a DVB card

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stuarta:

dvb produces mpegs

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ShiftyPowers:

ah

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Anduin:

so just pass-through

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ShiftyPowers:

ok

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ShiftyPowers:

gotcha

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Cardoe:

Myth is being a pain in the ass with DVB

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Cardoe:

When I tell it not to always hold the lock on the DVB card

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Cardoe:

it does anyway

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xris:

ShiftyPowers: nuv if you transcode or record via a framebuffer

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xris:

er, framegrabber

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kslater:

is it possible to use mytharchive (from 0.20–147) to transcode an HD show (720p) into something playable on a DVD?

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kslater:

doh

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kslater:

ivor – ping

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ricardo:

i need some help. i own a Pixelview Pro TV ultra, that uses a COnnexant cx8338. it works fine with TVtime, but i cannot make it work under mythtv. It founds the hardware, serach for channels and does not work ! any tip?

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ricardo:

please help me....

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kslater:

what sort of card is this? Does is require ivtv?

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ricardo:

is the ivtv the standard mythtv internal software? ( remember, it works with TVtime very well)

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kslater:

I don't know much about tvtime

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toad_:

where do i post feature requests?

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kormoc:

toad_, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Feature_Wishlist

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** toad_ found it, will add **

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kormoc:

toad_, remember to read the start, namely when it says it likely won't ever get done unless you do it

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defend:

i think i hate this fusionhd card

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defend:

lol

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** toad_ just wants to add heuristic sandwich detection **

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frink_:

yo

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toad_:

i.e. if you have a film, then news, then the same film with the same description, it's probable that the film was _split_ rather than _repeated_

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kslater:

sounds like a framegrabber card

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kormoc:

toad_, not really. most of the time mine are repeats, the ones that are split are marked as such and get recorded proerply

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kslater:

sorry, been too long since I played with one of those

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toad_:

kormoc: the descriptions were identical

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toad_:

kormoc: so i lost the film because i'd set it to record one copy

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toad_:

so it recorded the second half

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ricardo:

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toad_:

arguably that's a bug in the EPC, but it's not something that can easily be fixed on that level

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ricardo:

kslater fot tv

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kslater:

ricardo – myth doesn't use anything in particular for framegrabber cards, it just grabs the frames from the video device

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frink_:

toad_: Yeah I tried that, it broke.

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kormoc:

toad_, you see, description and all that doesn't matter, the real key to repeats or not is the episode id number, which the guide should give you.

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** kormoc shrugs **

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toad_:

kormoc: hmmmm

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** toad_ will have a look **

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kormoc:

I think you'd get driven more nutts by having any repeat shows recorded as nondups to be honest

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ScreaminIke:

i'm having an error on a fresh install of ubuntu with teh default mythtv install (sudo apt-get install mythtv -y)

[23:06:34]

ScreaminIke:

it just...

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toad_:

no, it can be a fairly precise heuristic

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ricardo:

kslater for example: for video, mythtv uses Mplayer. to watch tv, it grabbs the information direcly or it uses a module for that ? The cards works in the same compilation, using another software.

[23:06:40]

ScreaminIke:

the config seems off

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janneg:

yes, you should have got a join message and the topic states it too

[23:06:53]

ScreaminIke:

like it's not interacting properly with mysql

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kslater:

ricardo for video playback it'll use whatever external program you set it up for

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kormoc:

toad_, how can it know the difference between [movie] [news] [movie] and [movie] [news] [repeat movie with exactly the same meta info] ?

[23:07:31]

toad_:

how often does that happen though?

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kslater:

but for recording and playing back content from capture cards it uses libraries and it's own native tools

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toad_:

at least in the uk, [movie][news][rest of movie] is VERY common

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kormoc:

toad_, in my lineup? at least four times a day or so

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toad_:

kormoc: with exactly the same program? why?

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ricardo:

kslater is there any tip, like : mythtv only works with tv if you have a epg working or a channel list build??

[23:08:45]

kslater:

well you do need some of that setup

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kormoc:

toad_, networks here love to do 'encore' showings or late night showings a lot. I don't know why they do it, but they do it a lot

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ricardo:

is there any tutorial for tv card setup ?

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toad_:

normally you'd get two or three different ones then they repeat them all later

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toad_:

or the next day

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toad_:

well is it really worth trying to sort out a proper EPG source?

[23:09:26]

kslater:

ricardo have you read thru the online docs at mythtv.org?

[23:09:27]

Inssomniak:

where in the frontend do you configure LIRC for remote buttins?

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kslater:

or seached the wiki?

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kormoc:

toad_, heh, FX is showing xmen-2 and then a 30 min show 'behind the movie' and then repeating xmen2 again

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toad_:

at the moment i use the freeview built-in feed (is this called EIC?)

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toad_:

anyway, i'll go check the ep number

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toad_:

brb

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toad_:

Find ID 733049 on both

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toad_:

the first one says Later Recording

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toad_:

i.e. I told it to record one, it chose to record the later one

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toad_:

kormoc: what am I doing wrong?

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kormoc:

toad_, aye, your program info is just incomplete then. Perhaps you just can't get compelte info that way

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toad_:

well setting up complete info is a MAJOR pita here

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ricardo:

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toad_:

kormoc: so the IDs should be different ?

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omicron:

hi, I guess this is pretty basic but I can't find it in the docs.. during livetv playback my recording drive is getting full, how can I reduce the size of this playback .mpg?

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kormoc:

toad_, if they are different parts, yes, unless the network never told the guide place that they were going to do that

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fiXXXerMet:

Has anyone had luck with getting the Happauge PRV-250-MCE working?

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fiXXXerMet:

PVR*

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toad_:

kormoc: so the correct fix is to use the grabber?

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kormoc:

toad_, perhaps, might want to check

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kslater:

ricardo I don't recall the specifics for how to properly setup a framegrabber card

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toad_:

I was told here that just using EIC is much easier (which is certainly true from my experience), and is updated constantly

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kslater:

can't recall if they support searching for channels

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toad_:

when I say easier i mean easier to set up; I spent two days last week struggling with the "why the fsck does it show all the premium channels that i don't get?!" issue

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ricardo:

kslater this is a normal tv card. It searches, like any other card. if i give you permission to port 22 to my mythtv computer, can anyone connect and see ?

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** toad_ supposes the ultimate fix is to fix the the-grabber-doesn't-talk-to-the-scanner bug **

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toad_:

(all the premium channels i don't get, AND multiple copies of every channel)

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kslater:

ricardo wish I could be more help – maybe someone with recent use of a framegrabber type card

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ricardo:

ok, thanks

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kormoc:

toad_, I donno really, I'm one of the lucky folks that have zap2it, but perhaps someone else has a better idea

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toad_:

well the problem was if I scan for FTA channels, then add a rt grabber feed, the schedule includes every possible channel, often more than once

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toad_:

even though most of those channels can't actually be tuned

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toad_:

so on advice from folk here I went for just-use-the-EIC-data

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s0medude:

hello

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toad_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Feature_Wishlist

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toad_:

doesn't actually say where to send your feature requests

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toad_:

to the user list?

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xris:

toad_: no, you put them there

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toad_:

xris: is what i ran into last week a known bug or a known lack-of-a-feature?

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toad_:

it certainly makes setup a lot harder

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s0medude:

can someone help me with the sound issue with installation

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xris:

not sure

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xris:

s0medude: following the documentation?

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s0medude:

seventh install

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toad_:

the documentation sucks

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s0medude:

yes i have generic saa7134

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xris:

hmm, someone should go through the wiki and clean up the mythweb feature request list to remove the ones that I've laready added

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toad_:

the documentation did not explain what I had to do to get rid of all the channels i don't have

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toad_:

:)

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** toad_ wonders if he can edit it.. **

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xris:

toad_: mark them as invisible? delete via db?

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xris:

delete via frontend?

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s0medude:

how do i translate this

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s0medude:

http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Studio_TV_Terminator

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toad_:

xris: yeah but that requires that I make a list of which ones I can actually get; that can take hours

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kormoc:

s0medude, pay someone to?

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s0medude:

The card does not have an eeprom so it is necessary to pass card=65 and possibly tuner=54 as options to the saa7134 kernel module.

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toad_:

if I select don't show me the channels that aren't FTA then it shouldn't show me the channels that aren't FTA

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toad_:

even if there ARE listings for them

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xris:

toad_: not much else to do for that. you should only have to do it once, though.

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toad_:

and in fact it shows lots of channels that not only are not FTA, I can't get them at all

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kormoc:

s0medude, really now, how could it be clearer?

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toad_:

xris: mythtv has some means of connecting the channel-to-tune with the channel-to-grab-listings-for

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toad_:

xris: if it didn't, it wouldn't be able to record from them

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toad_:

xris: correct? so it should be possible for it not to grab listings for channels that it doesn't have

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s0medude:

kormac are u serious

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kormoc:

s0medude, yes, it explains exactly what you need to do

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xris:

toad_: it will only grab listings for channels it knows.. but if you filled in channel data via a scan, it's up to you to prune that list to the ones you can actually watch.

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toad_:

xris: hmmm

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toad_:

xris: so you're saying that it was a scanning problem?

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s0medude:

kormac how do i do that

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toad_:

when I did a scan only, it worked fine..

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kormoc:

s0medude, depends on your distro

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s0medude:

knoppmyth

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xris:

toad_: so you're using zap2it or something to fill in the listing data?

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toad_:

a scan, and set it to only get the EIC data, that is

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kormoc:

s0medude, well, you need to find someone who knows knoppmyth

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toad_:

yes, the UK grabber

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toad_:

I scanned

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toad_:

well on page 4

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toad_:

of mythtv-setup, there are 2 buttons

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xris:

toad_: ah, then there should be a setting for mfdb to not import unknown channels.

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toad_:

the first one does a scan, the second grabs listings

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xris:

it's *supposed* to be by default now

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toad_:

well it asks me whether I want lots of channels...

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toad_:

(on the console)... these are all channels that weren't in the scan? i'm supposed to say no?

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xris:

I would assume so

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toad_:

hmmm

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s0medude:

kormac modprobe saa7134 card=65 tuner=54 ?

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toad_:

i think when i said no to all of them lots of them ended up with no listings data..

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toad_:

you think i should try again? so we know exactly what we are dealing with?

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toad_:

do i need to zap the database to do that?

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xris:

toad_: you've sort of reached the limits of my expertise.

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toad_:

if i just delete the card and the input source, then re-add, that won't dupe all the channels? and it won't drop all the rules/recordings?

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xris:

shouldn't, no

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xris:

might want to wipe the program/channel tables manually, too

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toad_:

wiping the channel/program tables won't drop my rules or my recorded programs?

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ricardo:

the-grabber-doesn't-talk-to-the-scanner bug.....anyone knows a tutorial for this ?

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toad_:

ricardo: i can reproduce it on demand, i'd prefer not to if it won't contribute directly to a fix though..

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xris:

toad_: no. recordings/schedules are stored elsewhere

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toad_:

all you have to do is with a DVB card, scan for channels, and add a listings source

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toad_:

and it will add all the channels in the listings source

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toad_:

even though 90% of them can't be tuned and aren't FTA (i checked the only show FTA flag)

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toad_:

what piece of software asks about adding channels from the listings? if the channels cannot be tuned then i don't see why it ever makes sense to add them..

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toad_:

and the default is Y iirc

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ricardo:

but is there any tip ? how can a tvcapure card work in the same linux using tvtime and xawtv and not work in mythtv?

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ricardo:

toad_ but is there any tip ? how can a tvcapure card work in the same linux using tvtime and xawtv and not work in mythtv?

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toad_:

ricardo: dunno, probably a different bug :|

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s0medude:

how do i edit 7134 kernal module

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ShiftyPowers:

man transcoding is slow

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toad_:

yeah :|

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toad_:

so it's "delete * from channel; delete * from program;" to drop all channels?

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toad_:

or will just deleting the capture card and readding it suffice?

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jk1joel:

I have stock 0.20, and in my (limited) testing, the commercial flagging never works on my ATSC HD streams, but it works fine on ATSC SD streams. Any ideas?

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jk1joel:

I'm using the "Strict" option and all the defaults (which I believe means do a combination of all methods for commercial detection)

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bolty:

has anyone who built the plugins under osx know how to satisfy the depdency for kde 3.3??

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toad_:

okay

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toad_:

it definitely asks me about channels which i have, as well as channels which i don't have

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puddingpimp_work:

does anyone know if I can get a DVB-T tuner card which can tune an entire transponder at once

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puddingpimp_work:

in other words if there is 12 channels on the one frequency I can record all of them (assuming I have enough storage bandwidth)

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kormoc:

bolty, install kde or don't install mythbrowser?

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bolty:

kormoc, im pretty rough with osx, i've installed kde from fink but its 3.5 and the osx-packager is not satisfied with what i've got installed

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