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Friday, January 5th, 2007, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] pillsburyDOEboi: what a fool
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[00:02:09] linxeh: at the moment I have a pci nova-t and a nova-t usb
[00:02:31] darkdrgn2k: are the nova-t any good?
[00:02:41] linxeh: was thinking of replacing the latter with a newer device though, possibly a usb stick one
[00:02:56] linxeh: dunno – a friend built a mythtv system with three of the pci novat
[00:04:51] linxeh: there is a special offer locally on nova-t usb stick "special edition"
[00:04:54] bmsleight: pillsburyDOEboi: Goatse the images
[00:06:30] linxeh: hehe
[00:07:10] xris: pillsburyDOEboi: man, I should get in on that...
[00:07:27] xris: cesman should sell knopmyth on ebay. lol. would get money for both the OS *and* mythtv. lol
[00:09:51] pillsburyDOEboi: good deal
[00:12:16] pillsburyDOEboi: can a put a backend into sleep mode thru ssh
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[00:31:23] linxeh: is it possible to watch divx / xvid avis in mythtv ?
[00:31:35] defend: yes
[00:31:40] defend: with mythvideo
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[00:33:23] linxeh: ok I'll go read up and get started :)
[00:34:37] defend: ;p
[00:34:40] linxeh: just wish i'd had an aerial point put into the office when i had the house specced :o
[00:35:13] darkdrgn2k: any one know what this means "MythSocket(8212e00:11): writeStringList: Error, invalid string list."
[00:35:45] linxeh: mythweather looks really cool
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[00:45:25] xris: linxeh: if you like weather apps
[00:45:52] linxeh: not particularly – just tried it because its the only thing I can use at the moment (no tuner card in the machine, and no aerial in that room atm anyway)
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[00:48:23] darkdrgn2k: whats a better protocol between myth boxes.. SAMBA or NFS
[00:49:09] cureless: darkdrgn2k: depends, are your boxes all linux?
[00:49:18] cureless: (or unixy)
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[00:50:01] darkdrgn2k: between myth boxes
[00:50:03] darkdrgn2k: so linux
[00:50:18] cureless: I use nfs.
[00:51:17] darkdrgn2k: how do you do nfs shares again :-S
[00:51:17] linxeh: most people I know with mythtv setups use NFS for the increased performance (CIFS tends to be a bit more laggy)
[00:51:20] linxeh: apparently
[00:51:23] linxeh: /etc/exports
[00:51:26] linxeh: exportfs -a
[00:51:27] darkdrgn2k: ight
[00:54:44] xris: darkdrgn2k: shouldn't need local file access for recordings, either.
[00:55:38] dave84: Any idea what I can do to fix this problem? E: mythtv-database: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[01:00:59] xris: dave84: helps if you say what's giving the error, since it doesn't look like a mythtv error
[01:01:09] darkdrgn2k: what is libmyth?
[01:01:22] xris: darkdrgn2k: shared libraries
[01:01:57] darkdrgn2k: its part of the main myth svn right?
[01:02:10] darkdrgn2k: so why is it when i copeid OVER a myth compilation from computer1 to computer 2
[01:02:11] darkdrgn2k: i get
[01:02:14] darkdrgn2k: then did make install
[01:02:15] darkdrgn2k: i get
[01:02:27] xris: get what?
[01:02:30] darkdrgn2k: "this app was compiled against libmyth version: 0.20.20061228–1
[01:02:45] darkdrgn2k: if its PART of the main myth compile lol
[01:02:48] xris: darkdrgn2k: second computer still has mythtv installed from packages?
[01:03:00] darkdrgn2k: xris: shouldnt have no...
[01:03:09] darkdrgn2k: i compiled it there to but myust of been a few days old svn
[01:03:49] xris: maybe libmyth didn't install when you copied it over.
[01:04:17] darkdrgn2k: any way to force install it or anything
[01:04:31] MaaxNixx: xris: using mythweb svn 12402 and trying to turnoff pixmaps
[01:04:55] xris: MaaxNixx: can't
[01:05:14] MaaxNixx: xris: will it happen in the future
[01:05:17] xris: maybe
[01:05:36] xris: haven't decided yet
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[01:06:08] MaaxNixx: xris: also compact looks good but white border around pixmaps is thick
[01:06:11] rogue780_NESPC: is there anyway to recover a recording that has been deleted?
[01:06:15] darkdrgn2k: where does libmyth install itno?
[01:06:34] xris: MaaxNixx: if compact works, it's a fluke. haven't done any updating of it to reflect new tech/layout.
[01:06:43] xris: darkdrgn2k: */lib*/
[01:06:56] darkdrgn2k: lol * being /usr
[01:06:59] xris: darkdrgn2k: /usr/local/lib, or /usr/lib64, or whever you tell it to
[01:07:34] xris: MaaxNixx: compact is basically the no-jacascript template set. it'll get updated when I'm done fixing the with-javascript layouts
[01:07:50] MaaxNixx: xris: ok
[01:07:54] darkdrgn2k: kool
[01:07:59] darkdrgn2k: found a roug install :-S
[01:08:02] jd86: My recordings appear to be queued up to be transcoded, then seem to be transcoded but the size never goes down. I recently upgraded to trunk. Is this a known issue? (or is this possibly a setup/configuration problem?)
[01:08:15] xris: main reason for disabling pixmaps (or so I thought) was to save space on the page, and the new layout fixes that problem.
[01:08:28] rogue780_NESPC: is there anyway to recover a recording that has been deleted?
[01:08:46] kormoc: no
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[01:08:52] MaaxNixx: xris: i just prefer without pixmaps
[01:09:08] xris: jd86: recording profiles -> transccoders (you might have lossless turned on, or have things set for the same bitrate)
[01:09:35] xris: MaaxNixx: I'll probably bring the setting back for people who have a million recordings and don't want to wait for the backend to generate them...
[01:09:36] gnome42: rogue780_NESPC: is it still held open by any process? (lsof|grep filename)
[01:09:37] jd86: xrix could this have been changed by the upgrade? It was working quite well prior to this. I will check this right now though
[01:09:58] rogue780_NESPC: there should be a "Recently deleted" category added to mythtv like tivo has where you can recover deleted programs that have just been recently deleted
[01:10:01] MaaxNixx: xris thats one good reason
[01:10:11] xris: jd86: upgrade shouldn't change settings
[01:11:42] jd86: xris, i mean i can see in the logs where it took one file and transcoded it and now its smaller... maybe its just not updating filesize?
[01:12:40] xris: jd86: could check the actual filesize manually
[01:13:10] xris: dave84: do you have mysql installed (and running!) ?
[01:13:47] jd86: Just need to check what the filename is
[01:13:56] dave84: No it tells me to install both mysql and myth at the same time?
[01:15:51] AdamKili: how do I make sure a certain graphics card is compatible with MythTV? I'm thinking of connect3D RADEON 7000 w/ S-Video out
[01:15:56] jd86: Wow my frontend just like deleted this video because I was looking through it and now it says file is missing... thats not good
[01:16:19] jd86: or not...
[01:17:34] dave84: Mysql is installed and status returns — mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.24a, for pc-linux-gnu (i486) using readline 5.1
[01:25:24] xris: dave84: is it running, though?
[01:25:49] dave84: Good question how do I make it do that?
[01:26:06] xris: dave84: guide could be wrong. the error you're getting sounds like the packaging program is trying to create the database for you, and is failing.
[01:26:22] xris: sudo /etc/init.d/mysqld restart?
[01:26:35] xris: maybe it's mysql instead of mysqld (different distros, blech)
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[01:27:25] dave84: I,m using Ubuntu
[01:27:32] rogue780_NESPC: dave84: you could check in at #ubuntu-mythtv. superm1, who wrote those guides, is there quite frequently
[01:28:02] rogue780_NESPC: he was able to help me with some issues I had been having that eventually amounted to some additions to the wiki
[01:28:59] dave84: Thanks  — I will go and see if they can help.
[01:29:03] rogue780_NESPC: dave84: I don't think he is on right now though, but he's the best resource I can think of
[01:30:20] xris: dave84: tab-complete should easily tell you what the file is called
[01:33:45] GreyFoxx: haha I was trying to sniff some webtraffic to my myth box forgetting I had mod_gzip going on
[01:33:56] GreyFoxx: I was wondering wtf was going on :)
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[01:34:53] dave84: xris: What do you mean tab-complete?
[01:36:38] xris: dave84: while typing a pathname, press tab.. it will complete the filename for you.. or if there are multiple matches, press tab twice and it'll show you a list of matches.
[01:36:39] Miravlix: if you press tab it complete filenames
[01:38:09] xris: Miravlix: and more, if you install bash-completion scripts
[01:38:12] xris: (or run zsh)
[01:38:39] Miravlix: I know
[01:38:44] cureless: (zsh should be the standard shell for everything except root, who elected bash as the default anyway?)
[01:39:16] xris: cureless: dunno. I switched to bash from tcsh years ago and am more than happy with it.
[01:39:21] Miravlix: I've never used zsh in the 14 years I've used Linux
[01:39:33] cureless: you should both switch
[01:39:54] Miravlix: I wont, I do not care to relarn 14 years of bash experince
[01:40:10] xris: Miravlix: likewise
[01:40:11] cureless: you don't have to relearn too much, zsh just does more.
[01:40:23] cureless: zsh is ksh based, same syntax as bash
[01:40:34] xris: cureless: haven't heard of anything it does more that I can't do in bash with some enhancements
[01:41:10] cureless: I must admit I havent really used bash in a while, but I never got bash to do the same autocomplete zsh can do
[01:41:25] cureless: rumors say that bash was improving, but it has a long ways to go
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[01:42:05] cureless: there are lots of pages comparing both online
[01:43:23] xris: cureless: bash-completion does the autocomplete stuff.. and I think supercedes what zsh's stuff can do.
[01:43:33] xris: I like ssh completion.. of remote paths, etc.
[01:43:35] cureless: really?
[01:43:45] cureless: zsh has done that for years
[01:44:07] Miravlix: Still no one uses zsh for some reason
[01:44:36] xris: dunno how zsh handles it. the bash stuff is basically a function script that gets called to handle the tab complete, and you can script it out to interact however you want at that point.
[01:44:43] cureless: it also autocompletes pids for kill and internal paths for .gz .zips, and users, and hosts for specific ssh keys, etc. That has been in zsh forever. bash is just catching up
[01:45:01] xris: bash-completion has been around for ages
[01:45:03] cureless: in zsh you have helpers to define new completes automatically
[01:45:11] cureless: xris: but not remote ssh completes.
[01:45:12] xris: that's cool
[01:45:27] xris: cureless: have you tried? just make sure you're running an ssh agent
[01:45:32] cureless: zsh completes man pages, oo.o files, etc.
[01:45:47] cureless: xris: I'm saying, bash might do that now, but it didn't a few years ago
[01:47:02] xris: that's cool
[01:48:08] cureless: Miravlix: I don't know why more people don't use zsh, it has always puzzled me. Maybe because bash is the default.
[01:48:20] GreyFoxx: That's exactly why
[01:48:20] cureless: however, most of the advanced users I know use zsh
[01:49:29] cureless: zsh is pretty high on the debian popularity contest, which means people are actively installing zsh (it's not a default install in debian either)
[01:49:30] Miravlix: Well, I guess your definition for advanced users and mine differs, seems everyone uses bash
[01:49:44] cureless: "everyone" doesn't define advanced.
[01:50:09] AdamKili: how do i make sure a certain video card's tv-out will work? I don't want to buy the wrong thing again
[01:50:50] Bogus8: any of you guys run free to air?
[01:51:02] monkeyBox: Does anyone here have the VIA M10000? Does anyone know if its VGA resolution can go up to 1920x1080? I just bought a 1080p hdtv :)
[01:51:16] Bogus8: if so... what do you select for your channel database since you can recieve more channels than the average bear
[01:53:20] linxeh: monkeyBox: I hate you :)
[01:53:32] linxeh: hdtv in the uk is pointless atm :/
[01:56:22] fryfrog: don't say it! you could get a ps3 and some blueray movies!
[01:56:30] monkeyBox: Bummer. I have a stuck pixel :(
[01:56:46] fryfrog: but don't forget to cross your fingers and prey blue ray survives and/or wins
[01:57:20] monkeyBox: fryfrog: why is blue ray better than hddvd?
[01:57:30] xris: AdamKili: ask here before you buy? but also buy an nvidia.
[01:57:44] xris: monkeyBox: why would you want to use an analog connection for HD?
[01:58:06] monkeyBox: xris: b/c my VIA M10000 doesn't have DVI yet
[01:58:22] fryfrog: no, but you can get a ps3 for as much as any other "hd" dvd player :)
[01:58:26] monkeyBox: I found a place online that sells daughterboards for DVI on the mobo
[01:58:42] fryfrog: or... i guess an xbox360 + hd-dvd drive isn't *much* more than a ps3
[01:59:11] fryfrog: actually
[01:59:17] fryfrog: how much is a ps3?
[01:59:24] fryfrog: like $600 for the 60gb i think?
[01:59:40] wireddd: is there a config file that I can edit to remap keyboard keys?
[01:59:45] fryfrog: and the *high* end xbox is $400? and the HD-DVD I think is $200?
[01:59:49] fryfrog: so i guess you can go either way :)
[02:00:09] xris: monkeyBox: ahh. well, can't help with the actual vga specs, then.
[02:00:26] xris: wireddd: it's in the db
[02:00:45] wireddd: that would explian why I couldn't find it
[02:00:49] xris: wireddd: mythweb has config for mythtv's bindings, too, and I *think* there's something in mythtv, either in -setup or the frontend.
[02:02:58] AdamKili: xris: what do you mean that I should also buy a Nvidia? i don't need two graphics cards
[02:03:17] Bogus8: any of you guys run free to air or know what I'm talking about? If so what do you guys do for your channel database since you can recieve more channels than the average bear
[02:03:28] Bogus8: AdamKili: he means buy an nvidia whatever you do
[02:03:46] Bogus8: but ask about the specific model before you do
[02:04:56] AdamKili: so ATI cards aren't supported?
[02:05:04] linxeh: is ubuntu ok for a mythtv system ? using their default packages ?
[02:05:12] Bogus8: nvidia cards are supported better (I believe)
[02:05:18] GreyFoxx: ati's drivers are generally buggy, don't update often
[02:05:35] xris: AdamKili: you asked about a card that works. "nvidia" is generally considered to be one of the requirements.
[02:05:44] Milosch: linxeh: it's what I used for the base
[02:05:46] GreyFoxx: nvidia is much more widely used, update more often and less apt to cause you from bleeding from your eyes as you struggle to get it working
[02:05:53] xris: linxeh: theoretically.
[02:06:11] linxeh: xris: heh :)
[02:06:13] cesman: the problem is configuring an ATi can be difficult
[02:06:30] xris: cesman: and their tv-out in linux just isn't as good as nvidia
[02:06:37] cesman: way more difficult that nvidia
[02:06:42] cesman: xris: right
[02:06:43] linxeh: Milosch: had any problems? I'm trying to get mythvideo to work with some xvid avis
[02:07:18] Milosch: linxeh: had plenty ;) but pretty much everything is working that is supposed to
[02:08:14] Milosch: i have a PVR-350 card and am using it for Xorg/myth. Any good reason why I should switch and use the builtin nvidia tvout instead?
[02:08:48] Milosch: my guess is no, but someone was trying to convince me otherwise
[02:09:15] cureless: some people claim one looks better than the other
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[02:09:47] kormoc: nvidia is much faster for stuff other then mpeg-2, like 2d rendering or playback of non-mpeg-2 videos
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[02:09:51] Milosch: the whole point of having the 350 was to use the decoder, of course
[02:10:12] xris: Milosch: nvidia anti-flicker is supposed to be nicer, and it's WAY WAY less hassle to get running with non-mpeg2 stuff
[02:10:14] kormoc: nvidia also has better interlacing filters (flicker filters)
[02:10:55] Milosch: GeForce 6150 is what is onboard
[02:11:16] Bogus8: what happens if you d/l two sets of channels from zap2it... will they skip/merge similar channels? Say I pick Dish USA and Dish (my local area)... it will have LOTS of duplicates
[02:11:51] xris: Bogus8: you still have to attach only one list to your tuner card.
[02:12:00] AdamKili: ok how about a GeForce2 MX400 card? (linky:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814139150)
[02:12:04] xris: you shouldn't need both for Dish, either.
[02:12:11] KrazyDesk: http://www.compuplus.com/insidepage.php3?sid= . . . p;id=1008058 good deal?
[02:12:20] xris: AdamKili: get a 5200 if you're going for old stuff like that.
[02:12:22] KrazyDesk: Gah, should just PM kormoc. :-)
[02:12:25] dave84: xris: The answer was as simple as — apt-get --purge remove mythtv-database and this fixed the problem.
[02:12:27] Bogus8: xris: well, I get "distant locals" also
[02:12:31] AdamKili: oops not that one i mean this one:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814139151
[02:16:31] cureless: at least it's not that tool but 2 versions ago....
[02:16:51] Bogus8: it uses most of the normal tools but has another one that changes some options or something... it's basically a frontend to a few other programs
[02:17:40] Milosch: i have had some issues on the desktop with some newer CDs, i.e. i can play them and view the filesystem but not copy
[02:17:45] Milosch: weirdness
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[02:19:52] plb_: how can I get the channel icon to display...a lot of my channels just say "adding channel"
[02:20:42] wireddd: I am trying to figure out a way to have my chan up/down remote keys to act like page up/down in the program guide, but still be chan up/down when watch live tv
[02:21:33] xris: wireddd: can remap
[02:21:43] kormoc: wireddd, remap chan up and chan down to page up and page down
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[02:24:39] wireddd: so if I map my remote's channel+ key to page up, in the program guide it will be page up, but when I am watching live tv, channel up won't change the channel up one channel anymore
[02:25:16] kormoc: wireddd, you can remap myth to know that in live tv page up and down change channels
[02:25:23] monkeyBox: *sigh* I can't seem to get my epia m10000 to start X w/ 1920x1080. Has anyone had experience w/ this?
[02:25:33] linx: gah stupid GF shut the lid on my laptop
[02:26:07] kormoc: monkeyBox, that's a rather high res for such a slow platform
[02:26:34] monkeyBox: kormoc, you don't think that'll work?
[02:26:40] monkeyBox: bummer
[02:27:02] tripppy: linx, turkey slap her
[02:27:04] kormoc: monkeyBox, well, the typical recommendation is 2ghz is minimum for 1080i, 3ghz or higher recommended
[02:27:10] linx: monkeyBox: is that the unichrome ?
[02:27:37] monkeyBox: kormoc, well isn't that recommendation only if I'm playing 1080 video?
[02:27:45] monkeyBox: linx, yeah, it's unichrome
[02:28:02] kormoc: monkeyBox, aye, but why have a desktop so large if you're not going to play back that size video?
[02:28:27] kormoc: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Unichrome
[02:28:28] monkeyBox: kromoc: My hdtv is 1080p...
[02:28:30] wireddd: crisp fonts!
[02:28:40] linx: monkeyBox: seen the pdf in this ? http://downloads.viaarena.com/LinuxApplicatio . . . 20ver0.8A.gz
[02:28:51] fathom: is there any way to disable XvMC? i'm getting some errors and the vid card i have cna't do that.
[02:28:54] kormoc: monkeyBox, you do realize that your SD videos will be scaled up to 1080i res when you watch them
[02:29:13] monkeyBox: kormoc, yes, I realize that.
[02:29:32] monkeyBox: I know I won't be getting 1080p quality until I get blue-ray or hd-dvd or something
[02:29:38] kormoc: monkeyBox, which eats up more cpu power on a low power cpu as is.
[02:29:57] kormoc: monkeyBox, also, from that page: ote also that a response to a pre-sales technical support inquiry regarding the DVI daughterboards indicates they are limited to a maximum resolution of 1600x1200. Thus it seems that if you planning on using DVI that you will be limited to a maximum standard HD resolution of 720p (1280x720) output."
[02:30:20] kormoc: also, "Most chipsets are limited to 1024x1024 playback resolution, and thus cannot support HDTV. This includes many of the chipsets sold as "Pro" models, so take care to confirm HD support before purchase."
[02:30:44] linx: monkeyBox: that pdf suggests that only certain versions support 1920x1080
[02:30:59] monkeyBox: interesting
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[02:31:23] linx: VT1625+CN400 will
[02:31:26] monkeyBox: well, at any rate, I wanted to just get a peek at image quality @ 1080, but I guess that can wait
[02:31:40] monkeyBox: for now, I'll use 720. What's the horiz res for 720?
[02:31:58] linx: 1280 iirc
[02:31:59] kormoc: check wikipedia
[02:32:24] linx: some versions wont support that either apparently monkeyBox
[02:32:28] xris: fathom: just turn it off in the frontend settings
[02:32:49] monkeyBox: hmm. Looks like I may have to shell out more dough :-(
[02:32:52] linx: you need 75hz for 1280x720 and 60hz for 1920x1080 though, if its going to work at all (I think)
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[02:33:56] linx: oh 1280x720 might be 60hz too
[02:37:17] fathom: xris, it's not on
[02:37:31] fathom: http://fathom.morpheus.net/errors.txt <-- this is what's happening
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[02:38:08] monkeyBox: In my Xorg.0.log: (II) VIA(0): Not using mode "1280x720_60" (no mode of this name)
[02:39:16] sandeen: hey guys, I have a scheduling problem... I have 2 tuners, one analog, one HD. I selected show A and show B, which are in the timeslot, and told myth to record that title in that timeslot every week
[02:39:23] sandeen: it only says it'lll record one because of a conflict
[02:39:34] monkeyBox: my xorg.conf looks like this: SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Viewport 0 0 Modes "1280x720_60" EndSubSection <-- does that look right?
[02:39:34] sandeen: I don't get why it doesn't find the show on the other tuner
[02:41:09] monkeyBox: It's scaling down to 930x520 :-(
[02:41:33] monkeyBox: which isn't even widescreen
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[02:41:52] cureless: 930x520 seems widescreen to me
[02:41:56] linx: didnt know you could do _60
[02:42:14] linx: :)
[02:42:54] monkeyBox: cureless, I guess it is.. but it certainly doesn't look like it on my tv.. the default X background is centered @ 4:3
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[02:44:00] cureless: monkeyBox: you might need to add a mode line for that rez (given that error)
[02:44:43] monkeyBox: I have no idea how to do modelines
[02:44:50] cureless: google for one
[02:46:44] linx: i think that pdf i linked gave an example (albeit for fb console though)
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[02:51:19] monkeyBox: Would the modline have to be specific to my HD monitor?
[02:51:38] monkeyBox: Or is it safe to use someone else's modline for a different monitor, but for the same resolution?
[02:52:06] kormoc: monitor specific usually
[02:54:19] monkeyBox: hard to find anything for mine.. It's a westinghouse LVM42W2
[02:56:29] monkeyBox: man, this is kinda depressing :-P
[02:57:28] Miravlix: Sell your TV card and stop watching TV then
[02:57:49] monkeyBox: Miravlix, ?
[02:58:34] Miravlix: if mythtv makes you depressed, maybe you should avoid it?
[02:59:40] matkam: is it possible to to output video to a tv through a generic vga to composite/s-video adapter?
[03:01:06] kormoc: matkam, maybe, maybe not, feel free to try and let us know
[03:02:27] matkam: actually, i have tried, but i think the problem is that i don't know how to configure xorg properly
[03:04:31] Miravlix: Hmm, I'm trying to rip a dvd with mythdvd and the max time is currentl 50000 hours
[03:04:43] Miravlix: I'm going to be pretty old before it finish?
[03:06:04] Miravlix: Aah not that bad actually, just 5ish years
[03:06:30] monkeyBox: Miravlix, umm.. did I say mythtv made my depressed? no...
[03:07:08] monkeyBox: I'm depressed cause I just bought a 1080p TV, and my little epia box can't display crap on it...
[03:07:32] sandeen: monkeyBox, why?
[03:07:59] monkeyBox: sandeen, I can't seem to get a widescreen resolution that works.
[03:08:21] sandeen: does the EDID not report something useable?
[03:08:31] sandeen: how is it hooked up, via HDMI?
[03:09:09] monkeyBox: sandeen, it's just hooked up via VGA right now, as I don't have a DVI adapter
[03:09:20] sandeen: ah
[03:09:26] sandeen: you'll probably have better luck w/ dvi
[03:09:38] sandeen: my toshiba claims to only do 4:3 resolutions over the vga port
[03:09:58] monkeyBox: sandeen, would I have better luck even if I used a VGA-to-DVI adapter?
[03:10:13] defaultro: monkeybox, fixed pixel reso?
[03:10:32] sandeen: monkeyBox, dvi on which end, vga on which other end... :)
[03:10:46] sandeen: i'd get the hdmi hookup, it doesn't cost that much and I think is pretty clearly the way to go
[03:10:51] monkeyBox: defaultro, not sure what you're asking, but yeah, I'm just trying to get a widescreen resolution working on my 42" LCD
[03:11:02] defaultro: ah lcd, then yes, fixed pixel
[03:11:07] defaultro: what is the maximum resolution
[03:11:17] defaultro: most LCD i see are 1366x768
[03:11:20] monkeyBox: sandeen, unfortunately, my epia m10000 doesn't have an hdmi or dvi hookup :-(
[03:11:30] sandeen: i have an lcd that claims to be 1366x768 but I can't make it work at that native res
[03:11:38] sandeen: I have to go w/ the advertised (via EDID) res of 1920x720
[03:11:39] monkeyBox: defaultro, It's 1920x1080
[03:11:45] defaultro: monkeyBox, I doubt
[03:11:50] sandeen: monkeyBox, ah.
[03:12:01] defaultro: monkeybox, do this
[03:12:06] monkeyBox: sandeen, that's interesting. How do I find out w/ EDID?
[03:12:08] sandeen: i have no idea how the vga/dvi adapters work
[03:12:12] defaultro: do you have a hd tuner?
[03:12:18] sandeen: monkeyBox, start X with -logverbose 6
[03:12:20] monkeyBox: defaultro, no
[03:12:32] defaultro: what about built in tuner on that tv?
[03:12:48] sandeen: monkeyBox, in the X logs (/var/log/Xorg.0.log probably) you'll see something like http://sandeen.net/32HLC56/edid.txt
[03:12:58] monkeyBox: defaultro, it's just a monitor, so no...
[03:13:03] defaultro: oh
[03:13:05] defaultro: :(
[03:13:06] sandeen: mine is also just a monitor
[03:13:32] defaultro: so right now, you have not seen that tv display a 1080i program or 720p right
[03:14:40] linx: matkam: I did that a number of years ago
[03:14:45] linx: oops was scrolled up
[03:15:20] defaultro: monkey, still there?
[03:15:29] monkeyBox: defaultro, I saw it w/ blue-ray hooked up in the shop.. looked sweet as hell
[03:15:44] defaultro: that's not the reference
[03:15:55] defaultro: you should have displayed the resolution
[03:16:08] defaultro: my friends LCD HDTV scales the 1920x1080 to 1366x768
[03:16:09] sandeen: monkeyBox, if you can afford that tv you can probably afford soemthing with dvi out ;)
[03:16:14] defaultro: it still looks stunning
[03:16:31] sandeen: defaultro, i think that's what mine does too, it advertises that it can take 1920x1080i
[03:16:44] defaultro: i have tried component(YPbPr), VGA, RGBHV, DVI and I don't see any different in picture quality. All look stunning!
[03:17:02] defaultro: so if that's the case then you have to disable EDID
[03:17:09] defaultro: UseEDID "False"
[03:17:13] defaultro: then make your own modeline
[03:17:22] monkeyBox: sandeen, actually, the TV was around $1500.. not too expensive. Although now I can't afford anything else b/c my money's all gone
[03:17:30] sandeen: defaultro, I did that, had to override a few things, but then the tv wouldn't take it
[03:17:34] defaultro: you have to know what Vertical/Horizontal refresh rate your LCD supports
[03:17:36] sandeen: monkeyBox, *grin*
[03:17:47] defaultro: sandeen, it could be due to the refresh rate
[03:17:55] sandeen: defaultro, my problem was that max hsync was 46kHz
[03:18:01] defaultro: where did you see it was advertising the 1080i?
[03:18:10] defaultro: no worries about hsync
[03:18:10] sandeen: 768*60Hz is 46.<something> kHz – ie. out of the range
[03:18:18] defaultro: you must be more worried about vertical
[03:18:28] sandeen: *shrug* wouldn't take my modeline... i'll fiddle with it some more I guess
[03:18:32] defaultro: how did you make your modeline?
[03:18:41] sandeen: with cvt
[03:18:42] defaultro: no, it's not like that
[03:18:43] monkeyBox: mine is 1920x1080p, so it's _true_ HD...
[03:18:50] defaultro: :(
[03:18:58] monkeyBox: as opposed to 1080i, that is
[03:19:11] sandeen: defaultro, well that's just the napkin sketch... but hsync rate is how fast it can draw the horizontal lines right
[03:19:12] defaultro: i have seen reviews that some vendors are telling a lie about 1080p
[03:19:24] sandeen: so if there are 768 of them at 60hz... that's roughly 46kHz, plus the extra timing bit
[03:19:49] monkeyBox: defaultro, well, all the reviews I've seen with this one are pretty good reviews... I woudn't have bought it otherwise
[03:20:00] defaultro: ok
[03:20:06] defaultro: have you made your modeline?
[03:20:14] linx: whoa, mplayer works quite nicely over NX
[03:20:19] monkeyBox: defaultro, I have no idea how to make a modline :(
[03:20:20] sandeen: defaultro, you asked where it was advertising 1080i... see the url I posted
[03:20:20] defaultro: are you familiar with moninfo tool?
[03:20:32] defaultro: where is the url, paste it again please
[03:20:50] defaultro: monkeybox, I would start by running moninfo on an XP box if you have
[03:20:53] defaultro: it helps a lot
[03:20:58] sandeen: defaultro, http://sandeen.net/32HLC56/edid.txt
[03:21:02] defaultro: k
[03:21:16] sandeen: look for "Detailed Timings"
[03:21:21] sandeen: of course then X throws a few of those away :)
[03:21:46] sandeen: in the end, just letting all the default behavior go, it settles on 1280 x 720
[03:21:49] defaultro: you can enter this 2
[03:21:49] defaultro: http://sandeen.net/32HLC56/edid.txt
[03:21:51] defaultro: ooops
[03:21:52] defaultro: LOL
[03:21:59] defaultro: you can enter this 2 values
[03:22:00] sandeen: yeah I've seen that url ;-)
[03:22:00] defaultro: (--) NVIDIA(0): Valid HSync Range  : 15.0 kHz – 46.0 kHz
[03:22:00] defaultro: (--) NVIDIA(0): Valid VRefresh Range  : 59 Hz – 61 Hz
[03:22:06] sandeen: defaultro, did that.
[03:22:19] defaultro: did you disable the EDID?
[03:22:32] sandeen: yep
[03:22:34] sandeen: sec
[03:22:45] sandeen: i'll show you what I had...
[03:22:49] defaultro: ok
[03:23:02] defaultro: i'll try to help since I'm also troubleshooting vlc right now :)
[03:23:41] sandeen: http://sandeen.net/32HLC56/xorg.conf.nativetry
[03:24:29] monkeyBox: sandeen, here's my log w/ logverbose 6
[03:24:31] monkeyBox: http://pastebin.com/851527
[03:25:27] sandeen: monkeyBox, that's all over vga?
[03:25:41] monkeyBox: sandeen, yeah
[03:25:53] sandeen: so yeah it looks like it's just reporting 4:3 modes
[03:26:05] sandeen: 1024x768, 1280x1024...
[03:26:13] defaultro: ok
[03:27:08] defaultro: oh
[03:27:13] sandeen: kay
[03:27:16] defaultro: you are trying a 1920/720?
[03:27:28] sandeen: me? I was -trying- to get 1366x768
[03:27:36] sandeen: what the specs say the native resolution is
[03:27:53] defaultro: you should try 1360x768
[03:27:59] defaultro: i saw a thread this morning
[03:28:11] defaultro: he got it to work at that number rather that 1366
[03:28:20] defaultro: but 1920/720, :)
[03:28:23] defaultro: that's 2.66 ratio
[03:28:25] sandeen: it's because 1366 isn't divisible by 8, historically that was a requirement
[03:28:31] sandeen: but nviida -can- do non-8-multiples....
[03:28:33] defaultro: even beyond cinemascope
[03:28:38] sandeen: well, I should try it
[03:28:49] defaultro: exactly, but remember, your tv is a fixed pixel tv not crt
[03:28:56] defaultro: nvidia can support it
[03:29:00] defaultro: but your tv can't
[03:29:09] defaultro: you are correct
[03:29:16] defaultro: but don't know why it doesn't
[03:29:31] schtinky: are there known issues with ivtv cards and vhf vs. uhf? all channels above 12 went snowy and line-y in my myth box about an hour ago
[03:29:35] defaultro: the other day on my crt, I was able to get 960/1080 :)
[03:29:49] schtinky: I have a separate computer with 4 bttv cards on the same cable line (split off) that are working fine
[03:29:53] defaultro: but my friend who has lcd had a hardtime too
[03:29:56] monkeyBox: nope, that didn't work
[03:30:05] defaultro: monkeybox, what did you try?
[03:30:34] defaultro: monkeybox, you have to remember that xorg is not like Windows gui where in you just change numbers, LOL
[03:30:43] defaultro: you have to generate a specific modeline
[03:30:49] defaultro: let me give you the link
[03:31:11] monkeyBox: I'll post my xorg.conf...
[03:31:13] sandeen: defaultro, if you can generate a 60Hz 1366x768 modeline that comes in under 46kHz hsync I'll be impressed ;-)
[03:31:19] defaultro: this is what I always use and it never failed me, http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
[03:31:32] defaultro: i will try your entries
[03:32:03] monkeyBox: http://pastebin.com/851528
[03:32:15] sandeen: though I don't know why the tv is rejecting what I have.. was assuming it was the hsync but of course the tv doesn't say
[03:32:31] sandeen: well I hardly want 1360x768 interlaced :) bbut the other one might be reasonable
[03:32:40] defaultro: let me check again
[03:33:17] sandeen: defaultro, your 2nd line there is 48kHz
[03:33:27] sandeen: hsync.. but then maybe that's not my problem, not sure
[03:33:38] ** monkeyBox is scared bad modelines will blow up his monitor **
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[03:34:02] defaultro: lol
[03:34:08] defaultro: that is a new technology tv
[03:34:12] sandeen: i ws a little scared too, want to sort this out before i can'ttake it back to the store ;-)
[03:34:15] defaultro: but it's your decision
[03:34:18] defaultro: don't believe me
[03:34:26] sandeen: defaultro, I know, that really only should apply to crts...
[03:34:34] sandeen: but my manual, and the support email folks are full of dire warnings
[03:34:37] defaultro: you are correct
[03:34:42] defaultro: mine too
[03:35:01] sandeen: my manual says DO NOT CONNECT TO A PCI VIA HDMI!
[03:36:01] defaultro: lol
[03:36:11] sandeen: but there are funnier parts than that :)
[03:36:17] defaultro: try that modeline
[03:36:25] sandeen: unfortunately can't right now
[03:36:32] defaultro: i know that feeling too when I was trying modeline
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[03:36:39] defaultro: so what is your resolution now/
[03:36:39] defaultro: ?
[03:36:44] sandeen: mine?
[03:36:47] defaultro: yep
[03:37:13] sandeen: (II) NVIDIA(0): Validated modes:
[03:37:14] sandeen: (II) NVIDIA(0): "nvidia-auto-select"
[03:37:14] sandeen: (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1280 x 720
[03:37:33] defaultro: cmon, that's good enough
[03:37:38] sandeen: eh, yeah :)
[03:37:42] sandeen: video looks good
[03:37:45] defaultro: of course
[03:37:50] sandeen: text from the mythinfo stuff not great
[03:37:53] defaultro: i thought you were having problems
[03:38:07] sandeen: monkeyBox was having the real problems
[03:38:09] defaultro: are you using a wide theme?
[03:38:17] defaultro: monkey is scared
[03:38:17] sandeen: i'd just like to get it to show native res if I can
[03:38:21] sandeen: I'm using retro.....
[03:38:24] sandeen: monkey is using vga :)
[03:38:32] defaultro: i'm using RGBHV
[03:38:33] monkeyBox: yeah, sad, I know
[03:38:33] defaultro: ;)
[03:38:44] defaultro: 1080p set are 2k+ right
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[03:38:56] defaultro: my reso is 3360x1080
[03:39:03] defaultro: WhAT? :D
[03:39:09] defaultro: i'm using xinerama
[03:39:15] defaultro: because I was testing something
[03:39:17] monkeyBox: defaultro, this one is $1500.. (basically b/c it's just a monitor)
[03:39:22] defaultro: ok
[03:39:25] defaultro: what brand?
[03:39:29] monkeyBox: westinghouse
[03:39:51] monkeyBox: LVM42W2
[03:40:05] TTT_Travis: defaultro really, so VGA to HDMI is the same thing
[03:40:10] TTT_Travis: how do I do VGA to DVI?
[03:40:11] defaultro: it should
[03:40:13] monkeyBox: I've seen DVI-to-HDMI cables out there
[03:40:32] defaultro: HDMI only has the audio in them
[03:40:37] empty: hope so, they're the same thing
[03:40:40] TTT_Travis: yeah but I need to convert VGA to HDMI first
[03:40:45] defaultro: so VGA, with audio, i don't think so
[03:40:50] tripppy: HDMI does stero or surround?
[03:40:57] defaultro: dunno
[03:40:58] TTT_Travis: don't care about the audio aspect of HDMI
[03:41:00] defaultro: i use spdif
[03:41:04] monkeyBox: You'd need to do VGA->DVI->HDMI
[03:41:08] sandeen: TTT_Travis, get a dvi-capable vid card for about $30....
[03:41:08] TTT_Travis: I have a seperate input method anyway
[03:41:23] defaultro: heard that fx5200 are great
[03:41:25] TTT_Travis: yes but I read that VGA to DVI was not possible
[03:41:37] defaultro: i might be wrong, let me check
[03:41:48] TTT_Travis: I just want to know if there is something cheaper then a new videocard
[03:42:01] TTT_Travis: I think the VGA signles are different therefore wouldn't work
[03:42:03] sandeen: i have a fx5200... cheap, works fine for me
[03:42:26] sandeen: TTT_Travis, the adapter will probably be about the cost of the card :)
[03:42:28] monkeyBox: I guess I'll just have to setting for 4:3 until I can get DVI to work... or until I just build a whole new HTPC altogether  :-(
[03:42:44] defaultro: http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=1310
[03:42:47] TTT_Travis: yeah ok so it's not possible
[03:42:48] empty: yep, because vga is an analog signal so you need an adc which is going to cost more.
[03:42:51] TTT_Travis: I will just get a videocard
[03:42:54] empty: plus look like crap
[03:43:06] TTT_Travis: yeah
[03:43:10] defaultro: yes, the best is to get a card with DVI
[03:43:15] TTT_Travis: just wanted to double check
[03:43:34] TTT_Travis: because I forgot I didn't have DVI, bought a DVI to HDMI cable and found out I didn't have any output!
[03:43:40] sandeen: $38, shipped free
[03:43:44] defaultro: sandeen, i have a xinerama and I was playing Xmen III on 2 monitors
[03:43:50] sandeen: TTT_Travis, then you're halfway there :)
[03:43:55] defaultro: the Xmen is a 1080p trailier from apple
[03:43:58] defaultro: let me give you the link
[03:43:59] ** sandeen remembers when you could play doom w/ 3 screens :) **
[03:44:12] TTT_Travis: sandeen the computer is a little old, No AGP
[03:44:17] TTT_Travis: and pci are a little more
[03:44:19] defaultro: http://www.4290greenfieldlanehome.com/thelast . . . xinerama.mpg
[03:44:19] sandeen: eek just pci?
[03:44:27] TTT_Travis: yeah ;(
[03:44:33] sandeen: wow. :)
[03:44:34] TTT_Travis: I think I saw some on ebay pretty cheap
[03:44:35] defaultro: the quality of my digital camera isn't good
[03:44:39] sandeen: that probably can't play hd anyway...?
[03:44:49] defaultro: what can't play HD?
[03:44:57] TTT_Travis: mmmm it palys like downloaded shows
[03:44:58] defaultro: oh TTT
[03:45:03] sandeen: a PC that doesn't even have AGP :)
[03:45:03] TTT_Travis: legal of course
[03:45:14] TTT_Travis: it's a celeron 700Mhz
[03:45:23] TTT_Travis: right now it has like an MX400 or MX4000
[03:45:35] TTT_Travis: it seems to play fine
[03:46:00] TTT_Travis: I think I can offload more of the processing to the GPU somehow anyway
[03:47:09] sandeen: TTT_Travis, try a real HD stream if you have one...
[03:47:18] sandeen: i had a hard time getting my 2.6Ghz P4 to keep up
[03:47:29] TTT_Travis: yeah this won't work then
[03:47:36] TTT_Travis: I just need to a good way to play my videos on my hdtv
[03:47:40] TTT_Travis: svideo doesn't look so great
[03:47:42] sandeen: ya
[03:47:51] defaultro: sandeen, did you see my mpg?
[03:48:14] sandeen: defaultro, not yet, not at the 'puter
[03:48:21] defaultro: oh :)
[03:48:25] sandeen: not THAT 'puter
[03:48:34] TTT_Travis: I actually don't use the recording function of mythtv ;(
[03:48:38] TTT_Travis: only the video viewer
[03:49:02] defaultro: that fx5200 you posted is expensive
[03:49:11] TTT_Travis: yeah
[03:49:13] defaultro: I saw one at $33 newegg
[03:49:14] TTT_Travis: I'll find a card
[03:49:24] sandeen: yeah they can be found cheap
[03:49:24] defaultro: also fx5200
[03:49:25] TTT_Travis: think I saw a cheap only on ebay for like $35 or so
[03:49:28] TTT_Travis: or the newegg!
[03:49:34] defaultro: go with newegg
[03:49:34] TTT_Travis: because I have a giftcard!
[03:49:45] defaultro: i'm planning to buy another one
[03:49:49] TTT_Travis: I'll search their
[03:49:52] TTT_Travis: there*
[03:51:09] monkeyBox: Heh.. the mythtv gui looks pretty sharp on this thing, even at 1280x1024
[03:54:12] Bogus8: on "Connect source to input" I did "Scan for channels" and I don't think i should have.. any way to get rid of what it "found"?
[03:54:20] Bogus8: or is that even a problem
[03:54:32] Bogus8: I will be using S-Video
[03:54:45] monkeyBox: video's fairly smooth too. livetv looks rather crappy, but that's expected, as it's just standard def cable
[03:55:17] empty: Bogus8: go into channel editor and delete
[03:55:27] Bogus8: empty: cool.. thanks
[03:56:06] Bogus8: I did "Fetch channels from listings source" which I assume is correct (I want to use the zap2it source)
[03:59:27] pillsburyDOEboi: elo
[04:06:19] Bogus8: is there a way to allow you to see your cursor better during configuring myth?
[04:06:34] GreyFoxx: no
[04:06:37] Miravlix: Bogus8: The cursor defaults to turned off
[04:06:44] GreyFoxx: I assume by cursor ou mean mouse pointer
[04:06:49] Bogus8: yes
[04:06:49] Miravlix: Bogus8: You have to find the setting to turn it on
[04:07:10] ** defaultro kicks his hdtv and shouts, FREAK, vlc is a pos **
[04:07:34] Bogus8: I catch it in glimpses when it's in a text box but thats it... unless there is a command that lets you drop down boxes and press buttons?
[04:07:38] Miravlix: I think it's somewhere in General, but I still can't find heads nor tails in mythtv setup
[04:08:15] Miravlix: You could try mythtv-setup -w it might enable mouse pointer
[04:08:19] Miravlix: -w = windowed
[04:08:42] empty: but you don't need it, since everything is keyboard enabled in myth
[04:08:48] Bogus8: ok... I might try that if I can't figure anything else out
[04:09:06] Bogus8: empty: what key is used to press buttons and drop down options?
[04:09:22] Miravlix: empty: But a mouse is far move effective.
[04:09:26] empty: they don't drop down but cycle through options with the left arrow once it's highlighted.
[04:09:42] Bogus8: I'm very comfortable with the keyboard, just don't know the commands
[04:09:53] Miravlix: It's like trying to browse web pages without a mouse, it's possible but a pain
[04:09:57] Bogus8: empty: Ah, I don't think I tried that.. what aobut buttons?
[04:10:01] empty: sorry right arrow
[04:10:03] empty: space
[04:10:06] empty: or enter
[04:10:19] Bogus8: empty: that always just goes to "next"
[04:10:24] Bogus8: or finish
[04:10:41] Miravlix: You use arrow down then arrow left right
[04:10:47] Miravlix: When you have the right field selected
[04:11:18] Miravlix: You use arrow right to enable/disable push buttons too
[04:11:30] empty: Bogus8: it goes to whatever button is highlighted
[04:11:33] empty: it's a click
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[04:13:15] IA-Outdoors: I'm a complete debian/knopp newb and wondering why sound isn't working on a fresh installation. Driver being used is a bt878
[04:13:21] IA-Outdoors: it's integrated into the board...how do I get specific chipset?
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[04:15:27] linx: is there a plugin that shows new items of news from rss feeds over the top of video/tv playback ?
[04:15:41] dave84: Anyone help with the XMLTV listing for Sydney
[04:15:55] dave84: That Linx is a star
[04:16:31] voidmage: My pvr-150 is fail.
[04:16:40] voidmage: Actually, my wiring is fail
[04:17:00] empty: linx: I saw a plugin today somewhere that will do CNN style scrolling.
[04:17:22] dave84: ta
[04:17:37] supertux: i'm having problems with the mythtv user account
[04:18:06] supertux: the installer creates the account but does a shitty job of it
[04:18:28] supertux: doesnt give me the password doesnt set it up so that gdm see the account
[04:19:00] supertux: i removed the user and now i'm trying to re add it and its crapping out on me
[04:19:29] linx: reinstall
[04:19:38] linx: sounds like you changed the userid the second time around
[04:19:55] linx: the password is likely "mythtv" or something
[04:20:11] supertux: the account that was created was crap
[04:20:27] supertux: i want to make gdm login as mythtv automagically
[04:20:28] linx: well it doesnt need to do much
[04:20:35] linx: uhuh
[04:20:44] supertux: but gdm can see the account
[04:20:49] supertux: can't
[04:20:52] linx: there is a tutorial for that somewhere
[04:20:57] linx: what distro ?
[04:21:02] supertux: ubuntu
[04:21:13] linx: theres a guide on the forums / wiki iirc
[04:21:17] linx: im sure i saw it earlier
[04:21:22] supertux: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation this is the guide i was using
[04:21:31] linx: http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php
[04:21:33] linx: might be it
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[04:22:06] supertux: this guy is british and his examples did not help
[04:22:14] linx: hmm no
[04:22:14] supertux: i read it earlier
[04:22:28] linx: what hash him being british got to do with it ?
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[04:23:02] linx: *has
[04:23:19] linx: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=227493
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[04:23:26] darkdrgn2k: in my backend i get this:
[04:23:26] darkdrgn2k: 2007-01–04 18:22:41.728 MythSocket(81cf130:11): writeStringList: Error, invalid string list.
[04:23:29] darkdrgn2k: what does it mean
[04:29:16] supertux: damn i hate it when it doesnt go as the directions say
[04:29:28] dave84: try this one – https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_mythtvsetup
[04:30:16] darkdrgn2k: anyone.. whats that error mean
[04:30:24] supertux: well my install crashed before
[04:30:45] dave84: supertux: just been where ur it is not a pleasant place. Good luck there is a lot to learn.
[04:30:54] supertux: during mythtv-database failed to connect to database
[04:31:11] dave84: linx has the answers
[04:31:23] supertux: cant connect to localmysql server through socket
[04:32:10] dave84: thats a new one
[04:32:10] Miravlix: supertux: ps aux | grep mysql ?
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[04:34:21] IA-Outdoors: so what might be the cause of sound issues where DVD playback gives sound but not TV?
[04:34:25] Miravlix: Is there a way to get mythmusic to not stop playing because I want to check news or something?
[04:34:39] supertux: Miravlix: yeah there is a mysql line there
[04:34:48] GreyFoxx: Miravlix: Not with the way it;s currently written no
[04:34:56] supertux: whoops
[04:35:02] supertux: just myt grep of mysql
[04:35:42] darkdrgn2k: 2007-01–04 18:22:41.728 MythSocket(81cf130:11): writeStringList: Error, invalid string list.
[04:35:44] darkdrgn2k: anyone?
[04:35:56] supertux: how much of this crap do i need to uninstall and reinstall?
[04:36:58] Mixx: is there an equivalent or update to the following page for streaming to windows from mythweb? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Play_Rec . . . From_MythWeb
[04:37:06] Mixx: that database setting no longer exists
[04:37:22] Mixx: or is there a preferred method to stream from mythweb?
[04:37:32] GreyFoxx: Mixx: SVN code has some sort of asx streaming, but I haven't personally used it
[04:37:39] Miravlix: Hmm, my mythdvd rip is now 100K hours, I think I have a problem.
[04:37:58] empty: I use something called mp3act
[04:38:15] Mixx: actually i guess i more want to just be able to click a recording in mythweb and have vlc open it
[04:38:21] Mixx: without compression
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[04:39:18] empty: Mixx: yeah I use mp3act for that.
[04:39:20] empty: works well
[04:39:43] empty: doesn't stream like a shoutcast, but pulls the music right into itunes and streams it.
[04:40:23] Mixx: hmm i'm trying to just basically open TV recording files automatically from mythweb via smb
[04:40:40] sandeen: does anyone have mythdvd working with perfect rips & playback w/ digital audio out?
[04:40:45] darkdrgn2k: Mixx: why not link it via \serversharefolderfile.avi
[04:40:46] darkdrgn2k: 2007-01–04 18:40:00.362 Connected successfully
[04:40:46] darkdrgn2k: 2007-01–04 18:40:06.406 MythSocket(81c0628:11): writeStringList: Error, invalid string list.
[04:40:48] darkdrgn2k: Anyone?
[04:41:14] Miravlix: Hmm, seems to be an issue with having the tmp directory on nfs, strange though all other checks shows nfs is faster than the local disk.
[04:41:45] Mixx: darkdrgn2k yes I can do that, but the objective is to have that open directly from mythweb. that link i pasted above supposedly accomplishes this, but the database setting that modifies the link doesn't exist
[04:42:04] Mixx: i've reinstalled a few times so I assume the latest version of mythweb doesn't use settings in the db anymore
[04:42:24] supertux: i may just go ahead and whipe the whole computer
[04:42:30] Miravlix: Naah, nfs was fine, it's when I try to do a Good mode transcode it is horrible slow.
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[04:44:42] empty: here is an osd for mythnews. i actually saw a plugin earlier today but can't find it.
[04:48:42] defend: :< anyone know what will fix this
[04:48:52] defend: /usr/bin/mythtv-setup: undefined symbol: _ZTI11HostSetting
[04:50:16] defaultro: do an ls -l /usr/local/bin/mythtv-setup
[04:51:02] defend: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 254640 Dec 28 10:28 /usr/bin/mythtv-setup
[04:51:11] defaultro: you didn't follow me
[04:51:18] supertux: ok this blows
[04:51:26] defaultro: do it on /usr/local/bin
[04:51:47] supertux: dpkg craps out when trying to configure mythtv-database
[04:52:12] defaultro: defend, all you have to tell me is, there is no mythtv-setup in that dir
[04:52:28] defend: there is
[04:52:37] defaultro: cool
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[04:52:40] supertux: none of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[04:52:43] defaultro: do it for me please
[04:52:53] defaultro: ls -l /usr/local/bin/mythtv-setup
[04:52:59] defend: wait no in bin there is but not local
[04:53:07] defaultro: ok
[04:53:14] defaultro: i was just hoping that it's a wrong version
[04:53:18] defaultro: gotcha
[04:53:32] defaultro: i think it's a wrong version
[04:53:34] defaultro: i've seen that before
[04:53:49] defaultro: sorry, there so much things going on right now
[04:53:55] defaultro: VLC is freaking me out
[04:54:01] supertux: ok ill just whipe it clean and reinstall
[04:54:05] supertux: wipe
[04:54:10] defend: no worries man i am still going to wake up tommorow :)
[04:54:12] defaultro: i guess, vlc is not ready for prime time
[04:54:30] defend: i dislike vlc :/
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[04:54:42] defend: i love my mplayer
[04:54:45] defaultro: i'm beginning to disklike
[04:54:59] defaultro: the only reason i want to use it is because of its wall feature
[04:55:05] defaultro: mplayer doesn't have it
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[04:55:34] defaultro: latest version of vlc support edge blending on wall which is what i need
[04:55:44] defaultro: but vlc folks are sleeping right now
[04:55:52] defaultro: or they don't want to talk to me, LOL
[04:56:55] ** sandeen gives up on myth internal dvd player for now **
[04:57:10] defaultro: i'm using xine :)
[04:57:20] defaultro: my dvds are in iso format
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[04:57:34] sandeen: inernal player seems to mess up ac3 digital audio...
[04:57:35] defaultro: menus are working great too
[04:58:13] sandeen: what's the difference between "perfect" and "iso?"
[04:58:20] sandeen: and what the heck is the ac3 checkbox for...
[04:58:25] sandeen: (in the ripping menu)
[05:00:14] defend: blah i conver my dvds
[05:00:20] defend: to x264
[05:00:31] defend: i like the quality for the size
[05:00:43] sandeen: i figure disks are cheap :)
[05:01:02] defend: lol i got alot of movies
[05:01:14] sandeen: I guess :)
[05:01:20] defend: 596G 317G 280G 54% /home/MythTV/Movies
[05:01:20] sandeen: 300G would store 60...
[05:01:27] defend: 292G 103G 175G 37% /
[05:01:38] defend: and those are in x264
[05:02:03] sandeen: how many movies?
[05:02:34] ** sandeen finds a 300G PATA seagate for $90 **
[05:02:38] defend: 507 so far and i got like another 400 in albums still needing to be converted then i got to start on tv shows
[05:02:50] sandeen: heh
[05:02:58] defend: and i wonder why i havent saved anything for retirement
[05:03:20] defend: why do they make it so easy to order these days with ccs
[05:03:21] defend: lol
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[05:10:46] bmd[laptop]: I can only seem to get channels 3–13 off my cable in mythtv, the rest is static
[05:11:06] bmd[laptop]: but it works if I plug the coax into my TV. Anyone know why?
[05:19:08] supertux: when the installer asks for the password for the mysql server i leave that blank right?
[05:20:28] Miravlix: supertux: Unless you or your dist has a default root mysql password
[05:23:29] supertux: i'm not even sure ubuntu has a root account
[05:23:48] Dr_willis: dirrect logging in as root is disabled
[05:24:00] Dr_willis: it has a root user/account. but its just sort of locked down a little.
[05:24:02] bmd[laptop]: supertux: mystql -u root on ubuntu does not require a password
[05:27:32] supertux: bmd[laptop]: you are using edgy?
[05:28:37] bmd[laptop]: yes
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[05:29:49] supertux: bmd[laptop]: you didn't have any issues getting mythtv running?
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[05:51:12] supertux: ok the freaking mythtv user was created but i have no password for it
[05:51:26] supertux: its not mythtv any other guesses
[05:52:23] Dr_willis: i recall some mythtv/edgy guides that i followed... but never did much with it..
[05:53:03] supertux: well i need some good info because everything i have read so far is wrong
[05:53:28] supertux: the packages dont install properly
[05:54:05] supertux: its really wearing me down
[05:54:37] Dr_willis: Thats one of the reasons i decided to stick with Knoppmyth on my dedicated mythtv box.
[05:55:08] Dr_willis: that and i realized that ubuntus mythtv version wasent the same.. so i couldent use it as a front end.. not messed with it much lately
[05:57:32] supertux: fuck
[05:57:46] supertux: this whole thing just pisses me off
[05:58:00] Dr_willis: MythTV can be a very complex system to get going.
[05:58:36] supertux: well i wish i knew what the password for the mythtv user was
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[05:58:51] sandeen: supertux, change it
[05:59:04] Dr_willis: you mean the user password or the mysql password?
[05:59:11] supertux: user password
[05:59:14] Dr_willis: sudo passwd mythtv
[05:59:32] Dr_willis: I recall the docs i saw mentioned setting it. :)
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[06:02:26] supertux: i ran mythtv-setup and it says it can't connect to my database
[06:03:34] cesman: supertux: more /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt
[06:03:43] cesman: should contain the password
[06:04:43] supertux: can i change that password by editing that file?
[06:05:02] cesman: no
[06:05:09] supertux: there is a random string there
[06:05:10] cesman: it just contains the password
[06:05:54] cesman: that is the password
[06:06:27] supertux: failed to init mythcontext
[06:06:30] supertux: exiting
[06:06:44] supertux: database not open
[06:07:06] cesman: is mysql running?
[06:07:23] supertux: cant connect to local mysql server through socket /var/run/mysqld.sock
[06:07:28] supertux: i think not
[06:07:53] Dr_willis: i recall stumbling there also... and still stumbling there. i just tried to run Mythtv on this kubuntu box.
[06:08:22] supertux: cesman: i grepped for mysql and got nothing back
[06:08:27] Dr_willis: i think the mythtv/mysql datebase dident get set up right.
[06:08:41] supertux: i guarentee it
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[06:09:33] cesman: then start mysql
[06:09:41] cesman: see if you can connect as root
[06:09:46] cesman: if this is a new install
[06:09:54] cesman: password should be blank
[06:10:14] cesman: unless ubuntu randomly generates one or something....
[06:10:16] supertux: the pasword was not blank in that text file i just looked at
[06:10:17] cesman: as root
[06:10:23] cesman: mysql
[06:12:00] supertux: cant connect
[06:13:14] supertux: in that text file i looked at earlier it said the password was vgjuqlmv
[06:13:32] supertux: is this sort of a password typical?
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[06:14:37] supertux: i think thr mythtv install is failing because of the mysql problem as well
[06:15:47] cesman: /etc/init.d/mysql start
[06:16:03] cesman: supertux: for a generated password yes
[06:16:38] supertux: apparently i have the wrong user name and password
[06:17:56] cesman: the debian packages should create password and set you up
[06:18:00] supertux: running dpkg-reconfigure --force mythtv-database returns
[06:18:09] cesman: the first thing you need to do is make sure mysql works
[06:18:17] supertux: failed to create database
[06:18:23] cesman: the first thing you need to do is make sure mysql works
[06:18:28] supertux: incorrect username/password
[06:18:38] cesman: I've given to the command to start mysql
[06:18:46] supertux: sudo mysql
[06:18:57] supertux: right?
[06:19:02] cesman: I've given you the command to connect to mysql using the client
[06:19:18] supertux: whoops
[06:19:25] cesman: if you expect further assistance, feedback would be helpful
[06:19:31] supertux: one moment
[06:20:26] supertux: /etc/init.d/mysql doesnt exist
[06:22:25] supertux: cesman:
[06:24:50] supertux: mysql-server package was not installed
[06:25:38] cesman: then that is the problem
[06:26:03] cesman: odd that it isn't...
[06:26:13] cesman: well, you know what to do right?
[06:26:19] ** cesman wonders off to eat **
[06:26:23] supertux: i installed it
[06:26:34] supertux: apt should have installed it though
[06:27:33] Bogus8: I'm getting a black screen when "watching tv" but can't seem to find the problem (went through a trouble shooting guide on that issue)
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[06:27:54] Bogus8: and now when I go to exit the backend setup it says
[06:28:11] supertux: :-D
[06:28:15] Bogus8: "Card 0(type ) is set to start on channel 102, which does not exist." I'm not understanding what I am missing
[06:28:43] Bogus8: especially when I actually have it set to start on channel 107 in "input connections"
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[06:29:00] Bogus8: and 102 does exist if I got to the channel editor
[06:29:14] Dagmar: Bogus8: Ignore that one unless something visibly malfunctions
[06:29:29] Dagmar: Bogus8: It's kind of a long standing f'up in mythtv-setup.
[06:29:35] Bogus8: Dagmar: easily done... though it didn't do that the first few times I exited that setup
[06:29:43] Dagmar: didnt' for me either
[06:29:55] Bogus8: oh ok
[06:30:09] Dagmar: However, mine works perfectly fine, and it chirps at me about channel 2 (even though I have the thing set to start at _57_) every time throught
[06:30:17] Dagmar: s/throught/through/;
[06:30:45] Dagmar: I've been too lazy to see if wiping the db and reconfiguring would make it go away, since it's not actually breaking anything
[06:30:51] Bogus8: still getting black screen when watching tv... PVR 150/S-video
[06:31:19] Dagmar: Let me guess, you turned more than one xvmc option on when you compiled mythTv?
[06:31:28] Bogus8: nope
[06:31:33] Bogus8: I used knoppmyth
[06:31:46] Bogus8: oh!
[06:31:46] Dagmar: You should hassle them in #KnoppMyth then
[06:31:48] Bogus8: got something now
[06:31:51] Bogus8: but it's ugly!
[06:32:14] Dagmar: They really need to know every time what they've built doesn't work
[06:32:20] Dagmar: It gives them a chance to fix it.
[06:32:43] Bogus8: hehe
[06:32:53] Bogus8: I have been... but it's pretty idle in there right now
[06:33:04] Bogus8: I'm not afraid of rolling up the sleeves and getting dirty
[06:33:19] Bogus8: I just wanted a distro with minimal packages and still got the job done
[06:35:04] Dagmar: Well, check the syslog. *Most* of the time, if there's a problem with a PVR card, then the ivtv driver will kvetch about it as it loads.
[06:35:08] Bogus8: why am I not getting tv out on my fx5200 once X loads (I just actually tuned the tv in to see if it was as ugly)
[06:35:29] Bogus8: Dagmar: yeah, that's what that guide said.. nothing looks out of the ordinary in there
[06:36:14] Dagmar: Bogus8: Which nVidia driver do you have installed?
[06:36:40] Bogus8: umm let me figure that out
[06:37:22] Dagmar: Well, the reason I ask is that there's a way to force it to turn on the s-video output, but the syntax changed a bit with the most recent driver
[06:37:31] Dagmar: http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/xorg.conf
[06:37:47] Bogus8: no prob... I'll find the version number... give a sec
[06:38:14] Dagmar: I'm not sure if you want to use the UseEvents hook I have in there, I *think* it's actually making my playback suffer some judder
[06:38:46] supertux: ok i made it farther
[06:38:50] Dagmar: With 9746, the option you want to use is UseDisplayDevice, but before that it's ConnectedMonitor
[06:39:10] supertux: i have a hauppage pcr 150 and im on the card section of the setup
[06:39:15] supertux: pvr
[06:39:29] supertux: and it wont let me select the video device
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[06:39:51] Dagmar: supertux: Is the ivtv driver loaded?
[06:40:09] supertux: possibly not
[06:40:17] supertux: let me modprobe it
[06:40:28] Dagmar: It should not be necessary to manually modprobe anything anymore
[06:40:39] Dagmar: I recommend you figure out why it's not been loaded already...
[06:40:54] Dagmar: ...or throw away the CD of whatever distro you installed and download something recent
[06:41:45] supertux: Dagmar: im using ubuntu edgy
[06:42:28] supertux: sudo /sbin/modprobe ivtv
[06:42:32] supertux: module not found
[06:42:46] Dagmar: Did you even try to read any documentation?
[06:42:50] supertux: lol
[06:42:56] Dagmar: http://www.ivtvdriver.org
[06:42:56] supertux: yes
[06:42:57] Dagmar: GO THERE
[06:43:11] Dagmar: If you haven't even installed the module yet, then you're not reading docs.
[06:43:31] supertux: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation this is what i was reading
[06:45:01] Dagmar: Click on the Discussion tab
[06:45:11] Dagmar: You're not the only one this has screwed up
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[06:46:52] Bogus8: Dagmar: found my version ;)
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[06:46:57] Bogus8: Dagmar: 1.0–8776
[06:47:30] Dagmar: So look at that URL I posted, and use ConnectedMonitor to force the card to enable the s-video port from the outset
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[06:47:58] Dagmar: If the picture is coming out screwed up looking, you might need the other two options that force s-video and NTSC explicitly
[06:48:23] Bogus8: Dagmar: yeah on my lcd monitor it's flickering and funky (technical term)
[06:48:26] supertux: i wonder why that driver is not in the kernel already
[06:49:56] Dagmar: supertux: They're working on it
[06:51:03] Bogus8: OT, anyone know how to get the "splash screen" to stop coming up when you don't give screen any arguments/options
[06:52:30] Dagmar: Bogus8: Which splash screen?
[06:52:48] supertux: module-assistant is pretty damn cool
[06:52:49] Dagmar: Bogus8: You're using an LCD monitor for output?
[06:52:59] Bogus8: when I run "screen" it comes up with a splash type screen
[06:53:05] Bogus8: screen the program
[06:53:06] cesman: vi /etc/lilo.con
[06:53:07] Bogus8: CLI
[06:53:08] cesman: vi /etc/lilo.conf
[06:53:20] cesman: change vga=788 to vga=normal
[06:53:24] Dagmar: Bogus8: Oh. Check the man page. There's just an argument you put in .screenrc that stops that
[06:53:25] cesman: rerun lilo
[06:53:29] cesman: that is that
[06:53:33] Bogus8: Dagmar: cool
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[06:54:00] cesman: Bogus8: did you not say that your setup was woorking until removed and readded the card?
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[06:54:43] Bogus8: cesman: no, I never was watching tv yet.. was having a black screen (but got passed that)... I just didn't have the channel start error before
[06:54:54] Bogus8: when exiting the setup
[06:55:32] Dagmar: Bogus8: What type of display are you using again?
[06:56:15] Bogus8: I have VGA going to an LCD monitor (temporary) and s-video going to tv ... oh you probably only meant card FX5200
[06:56:30] Dagmar: No, actually I was referring to the display, not the card
[06:56:53] Dagmar: It was sounding like you weren't actually using a TV for a minute there
[06:57:10] Dagmar: I wanted to be sure I didn't just misdirect you with the ConnectedMonitor stuff
[06:57:38] Bogus8: I wasn't until I got the flickering and flipped it on to see if it was just something with the LCD.. but had no pic there so now off to solve that prob... comparing configs now
[06:58:10] cesman: the issue you are having isn't a KnoppMyth issue
[06:58:31] cesman: mythtv in knoppmyth is not different than mythtv you compile
[06:58:46] cesman: the only add are menu entries are those are only xml files
[06:58:47] Dagmar: Bogus8: You dont' need to compare configs. You just need to put three lines in your config
[06:58:48] Bogus8: I agree... which is why I took it to the masses
[06:59:07] cesman: to say that it is a knoppmyth is just plain wrong
[06:59:18] Dagmar: If you turn on the PC without the TV turned on and connected to the s-video port, it's going to give you grief unless you explicitly turn on the s-video port in your X config
[06:59:21] Bogus8: Dagmar: I'm sure you are right.. I jsut like to see everything to see what i'm doing... birds eye view if you will
[06:59:50] Bogus8: Dagmar: only in X do I not get pic on my tv
[06:59:59] Dagmar: Set your output to 60hz, and 1024x768 and you should be fine
[07:00:03] supertux: hey Dagmar i have the ivtv driver loaded but i still am not able to select my video device from the drop down
[07:00:09] Dagmar: Bogus8: @#$@#$
[07:00:13] Bogus8: as soon as I rebooted it came on during the shutdown sequence and stayed on through bios all the way till X
[07:00:17] Dagmar: I have been telling you how to get the TV lit up for the last ten minutes
[07:00:26] Dagmar: Stop worrying about the damn overview and just add the freaking lines
[07:00:50] Dagmar: supertux: You probably don't have any /dev/video* files, either
[07:00:55] Bogus8: Dagmar: I know... I just want to learn... I'm only still here because you guys keep asking me questions ;)
[07:01:06] Dagmar: For *learning* you read docs
[07:01:18] Dagmar: For solving problems, there's people to ask
[07:01:29] Bogus8: Dagmar: I've read the docs of xorg before... I just need to read through the configs to refresh myself
[07:01:44] Dagmar: The xorg docs have jack and squat to do with this
[07:01:50] Dagmar: You need to read the docs for the nVidia driver
[07:01:56] Bogus8: that too
[07:02:09] supertux: Dagmar: nope no /dev/video*
[07:02:17] Bogus8: I had serious nvidia issues when I installed myth the first time... on FC3 (for time reference)
[07:02:20] Dagmar: supertux: Dude, did you do some kind of crazy minimalist install?
[07:02:34] Dagmar: Edgy is supposed to have a functioning udev
[07:02:53] supertux: i have udev
[07:03:16] supertux: maybe i should read more on the ivtv page
[07:03:20] Dagmar: supertux: Something you've done must have broken it because if ivtv loaded, and it found cards, it was supposed to have created some /dev/video* files
[07:03:38] Dagmar: That's almost entirely in udev-space
[07:03:38] supertux: whats about this firmware
[07:03:44] Dagmar: @#$@$
[07:03:47] supertux: lol
[07:03:49] Dagmar: Yes. Read the docs
[07:03:52] Dagmar: Actually read the damn docs.
[07:03:54] supertux: im doing that
[07:04:15] supertux: Dagmar: i feel your pain
[07:05:38] ** cesman wonders off to do work work **
[07:08:10] Dagmar: The ivtv site really does have fine documentation, and it only takes about 10 minutes total to wade through it and do what it says, but you have to go all the way to the end of hte docs... not just do one thing and then go see if it all magically works
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[07:09:50] supertux: i know
[07:10:17] supertux: Dagmar: i do tech support for a living and im pretty sure i would piss myself off if i had to talk to me tonight
[07:11:04] Dagmar: I'm not as irked as I might seem
[07:11:40] Dagmar: When you complete what little is necssary you'll see why I was stunned that it wasn't "just working"
[07:12:32] supertux: no other device i have ever had in linux required a firmware load
[07:13:26] Dagmar: Yeah, this is a new thing for most people, but it's just stupid-simple at this point
[07:13:40] cesman: welcome to the brave new world
[07:13:47] Dagmar: A few more kernel revisions back where you might have been using hotplug instead of udev, things could get complex
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[07:17:00] supertux: lol i remember hotplug
[07:19:52] Jack3: professor
[07:19:53] Jack3: you around
[07:20:13] Jack3: whoa worng chan
[07:26:05] juski: morning
[07:26:18] juski: I used to know a 'micro professor' if that's any use
[07:27:16] juski: hahaha they still make those things http://www.flite.co.uk/microprofessor-mpf-1b- . . . g-system.htm
[07:28:36] robbins876: Anyone here play World of Warcraft? I just got a demo disc of it in a StarCraft Battlechest... I'm scared to install it
[07:30:40] supertux: Dagmar: when i am trying to exit the setup it tells me that the directory i choose for my recordings doesn't exist :(
[07:30:57] Dagmar: supertux: does it exist?
[07:31:05] supertux: im pretty sure about it
[07:31:13] Dagmar: supertux: Ah then ignore it
[07:31:25] Dagmar: I don't think mythtv-setup gets a lot of love because mainly people run it once and never look back
[07:31:53] supertux: awwww
[07:32:11] cesman: you only need to run it once ;)
[07:32:18] Dagmar: robbins876: If you like Frozen Throne, you better just go ahead and uninstall your other games because you're not going to be playing them much after you get your WoW subscription
[07:32:22] cesman: morning Juski
[07:33:20] supertux: running mythfilldatabase
[07:33:50] supertux: my subscription to zap2it expires in a few months :( what a crock
[07:37:20] cesman: zap2it is providing a service for free
[07:37:28] cesman: what are you bitching about?
[07:37:48] supertux: what does it cost after the first 4 months?
[07:38:02] cesman: 0 dollars
[07:38:06] supertux: oh sweet
[07:38:16] supertux: i thought they start charging you
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[07:42:15] Ediehow: hi
[07:42:21] Ediehow: how to specify ivtv to use a certain videodev?
[07:43:30] supertux: cesman: i get an error when i try to watch TV
[07:43:45] supertux: could not connect to master backend server
[07:46:07] Ediehow: how do i make one module definitely load after another
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[07:49:01] Bogus8: Dagmar: still no luck ... I can get the tv or the lcd but not both
[07:49:21] Bogus8: and when it's on the TV I get no signal when I "Watch TV"
[07:50:41] Dagmar: Bogus8: Did you define a television display?
[07:50:47] Bogus8: Yeah
[07:51:02] Dagmar: Did you define one like in http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/xorg.conf
[07:51:07] Bogus8: yep
[07:51:18] Dagmar: Then you don't have a problem
[07:51:37] Dagmar: Pastebin your xorg.conf
[07:51:37] Bogus8: then I do... I must have lost my vision ;)
[07:53:15] juski: Ediehow – you impatient !%"^&^%
[07:53:30] Bogus8: http://pastebin.com/851629
[07:54:51] supertux: freak i changed it to openGL and now my screen is staying black
[07:55:01] supertux: is there anyway i can revert that
[07:55:07] supertux: i cant get into the setup
[07:55:09] juski: Enoglx
[07:55:22] juski: mythfrontend --help tells you you can do mythfrontend --reset
[07:56:04] supertux: mmm
[07:56:49] juski: Bogus8: I can't see the lines defining card0
[07:57:19] Bogus8: I agree... but that was default *shrug*
[07:57:33] Bogus8: meaning I didn't add that knoppmyth did
[07:57:38] juski: oh wait.. yeah it's there, and I'm still groggy from sleeping
[07:58:31] juski: basically all I've ever done to get nvidia tv out working is insert lines 199–201
[07:59:01] juski: but again it's early so some of the lines may differ
[07:59:09] juski: I'll post my xorg.conf up
[08:00:00] juski: haha I can't, since it's been overwritten since
[08:00:08] Bogus8: I even tried just throwing in the xorg.conf.nvidia.tv.out.sample for the hell of it
[08:00:10] juski: there a plenty of other xorg.conf examples out there though
[08:00:36] Bogus8: juski: I get tv out now... just not BOTH
[08:00:38] Bogus8: either or
[08:00:45] juski: ah
[08:00:59] juski: you should read the nvidia docs then
[08:01:00] Bogus8: I'm looking at the tv out now.. granted I can't "watch tv" but it's on
[08:01:14] supertux: im still having issues when i try to watch TV
[08:01:30] supertux: says could not connect to master server
[08:01:55] juski: that could mean the backend is misconfigured or not even running at all
[08:02:09] supertux: mysql is running
[08:02:19] juski: yay for that
[08:02:25] Bogus8: haha
[08:02:27] juski: and mythbackend?
[08:02:48] supertux: mythbackend is not running
[08:02:54] juski: mythfrontend queries the mysql database to find out where the backend lives
[08:03:15] juski: well 'watch tv' is never gonna work when the backend isn't running, silly
[08:03:49] Bogus8: I can watch streaming stuff... just not live tv :(
[08:04:12] juski: livetv is SO last century
[08:04:16] juski: </broken record>
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[08:07:49] supertux: I have TV  :-D
[08:09:12] Bogus8: damn... HE gets tv and I still don't... somethings just aren't right ;)
[08:09:24] juski: amazing. you start mythbackend, the part of mythtv which does all the serving & recording & scheduling & crap – then you get TV worky
[08:09:49] supertux: ;-)
[08:10:18] supertux: now to see if i can get a recording
[08:10:50] Bogus8: if that doesn't work... just start all over because you REALLY botched something up :p
[08:12:05] supertux: lol
[08:12:10] supertux: i think i figured it out
[08:12:52] supertux: it should automatically skip commercials?
[08:13:15] Bogus8: depending on how you have it configured
[08:13:21] Bogus8: it's not hard to figure it out though
[08:13:34] Bogus8: play around, read a little... it's quite simple
[08:15:04] Bogus8: Ha, my weather says "forecast for Thursday" ... hell I can give you yesterdays forecast ;)
[08:15:19] juski: mythtv doesn't skip commercials until you enable commercial flagging, and even then not until you enable automagical skipping
[08:15:31] juski: I believe it says that in the docs
[08:15:46] supertux: what section is that under?
[08:16:23] Bogus8: can't believe it's gonna rain saturday... I got a disc golf tournament :(
[08:16:33] Bogus8: guess, I'll be getting wet
[08:18:03] juski: it's in the section entitled "oh it's not actually in the main docs, you'll have to use your brain to work it out"
[08:18:32] Bogus8: LLyric: woo, long time no see... how is everyone in your hemisphere
[08:19:18] Dagmar: OMG NOT THE BRANES
[08:20:06] supertux: ugg
[08:21:00] juski: commercial flagging is enabled in mythtv-setup IIRC
[08:21:33] juski: and automagical commercial skipping can be enabled in mythfrontend by changing settings in the tv playback section of the settings menus
[08:22:03] juski: note that it is not 100% reliable
[08:22:28] LLyric: Bogus8: everyone is fine... It's hot today.
[08:22:48] Bogus8: doubt it's hot like it gets round here
[08:22:56] juski: if you're in the UK, it almost never works properly, so the (number key) and right arrow key get a lot of use ;)
[08:25:40] ** juski laughs at a digitalspy forum thread about $ky+ sound skipping. it's only 33 pages long **
[08:26:11] supertux: ahh found it
[08:26:24] supertux: mythtv has far too many options for a normal person
[08:26:49] Bogus8: maybe for you mere mortal ;)
[08:27:01] supertux: so many are nested deep with menus and submenus
[08:27:10] supertux: it needs some UI love
[08:27:21] Bogus8: you da man
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[08:27:41] supertux: you da Bogus8
[08:28:42] Bogus8: oddly my box is telling me that tuner is busy to delete the recordings.. which I have NOT scheduled any... so I go look and sure enough there are 2 things scheduled to record.. I have never even pulled up the guide O.o
[08:29:37] juski: rejigging the UI isn't a small job and is ongoing as we speak
[08:29:59] Bogus8: I thought he was volunteering ;)
[08:30:25] juski: maybe if mythtv sheds some of its less braniac users it'll help also
[08:30:31] juski: :-P
[08:30:52] Bogus8: that's the case with all of linux ;)
[08:30:53] Dagmar: I'm all for grinding up the stupid and using them to fertilize vegetables
[08:31:28] Bogus8: ivtv-enc-vbi is going nuts... 50% cpu ussage and such
[08:33:16] Bogus8: shouldn't 'users' tell me about all the users including my 'su -' root I'm in right now?
[08:33:27] Bogus8: all I'm seeing is two instances of my regular user
[08:34:33] Bogus8: I have 2 ssh shells open and mythtv is running X... shouldn't that be at least 3? and i've su'd in one of my shells
[08:36:40] Bogus8: what the waggle is going on
[08:36:44] juski: yes, delete Dr Who... it was shite
[08:36:49] Bogus8: it claims it's recording something
[08:37:05] Bogus8: which is taking up 0.00gb
[08:38:40] juski: myth never records anything without being told do
[08:39:07] juski: in the case of 'watch tv', that tells myth to record
[08:39:13] Bogus8: I haven't even been able to put on the tv, how would have have scheduled anything?
[08:39:25] juski: you went into 'watch tv'
[08:39:41] Bogus8: but it showed shows, in the recordings/delete recordings section
[08:39:58] Bogus8: one of which was supposedly recording at the time
[08:40:05] Bogus8: I had to restart the backend to stop it
[08:40:36] juski: and then it'd restart the recording again no doubt
[08:40:52] Dibblah: No, not if it was a live TV chain.
[08:40:55] Bogus8: no.. I went in and deleted it
[08:40:58] Bogus8: no complaints
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[08:41:17] Dibblah: (If the frontend crashes or stops, the live TV chain continues recording)
[08:41:25] Dibblah: Which is very nifty :)
[08:41:26] juski: if you press R during watch livetv it'll record the whole show – or rather the rest of the show
[08:41:43] juski: Dibblah: .. or not :)
[08:42:21] Bogus8: you are correct about the "watch tv" that is how it's happening
[08:42:21] Dibblah: Errr... It does. I've seen it happen a couple of times. Handy when something dies and the GF is watching :)
[08:42:34] Bogus8: how do I get it to stop when I can't see it and it keeps dropping out back to the menu?
[08:43:12] Dibblah: Bogus8: Fix your channels / inputs / cards so the recording works? ;)
[08:43:26] juski: I know it does – I'm just contesting how 'nifty' it is ;)
[08:43:30] Bogus8: lol... be my guest... I can't figure it out
[08:43:45] Bogus8: worked on LCD(not well mind you), but not on tv
[08:43:49] Dibblah: Bogus8: Which guide are you following to do your install?
[08:43:56] Bogus8: knoppmyth
[08:45:28] Dibblah: Bogus8: What's your video source?
[08:45:36] Bogus8: svideo on a pvr 150
[08:45:53] Bogus8: output svideo on an FX5200 (and got VGA hooked to an LCD monitor)
[08:46:32] Dagmar: Did you pastebin your xorg.conf yet?
[08:46:51] Bogus8: Dagmar: yep shortly after you told me :)
[08:46:55] Dagmar: Ah the hell with it, it's the knopp people's problem anyway
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[08:47:06] [R]: does anyone here use a modem for caller id?
[08:47:08] Bogus8: http://pastebin.com/851629
[08:47:39] Bogus8: Dagmar: it's not a knoppmyth issue... it's no differnet then if I would have compiled it myself at this poing
[08:47:42] Bogus8: *point
[08:47:43] Dibblah: Bogus8: Can I have a consise summary of the problem, what you've done, what works, what doesn't?
[08:48:39] Bogus8: Dibblah: I installed knoppmyth R5E50 (latest) followed all the prompts (it scripts most of the install)
[08:48:53] Dagmar: Bogus8: It would help if you actually paid attention to WHAT SECTION you blindly cut and pasted things into
[08:49:00] Bogus8: after it was all configured, I hit watch tv and got black screen then drops back to menu
[08:49:18] Dagmar: NoLogo is *not* something you set for a display, it's something you set for a card.
[08:49:26] Bogus8: Dagmar: I tried... I am no guru... I undrestand by breaking and fixing things ;)
[08:49:26] Dagmar: That's just *one* of the eff-ups
[08:49:49] Dagmar: You better start taking some nootropics then
[08:50:03] Dibblah: Bogus8: What appears in the log?
[08:50:12] Bogus8: Dibblah: I read the trouble shooting guide for this "condition" but none of that seemed to help me
[08:50:20] Bogus8: Dibblah: which log
[08:50:29] Dibblah: Bogus8: Please ignore Dagmar. He's having a permanently bad day.
[08:50:41] Bogus8: Dagmar has been trying to help me get my dual display set up so far
[08:50:49] Dibblah: Probably /var/log/mythfrontend / backend.log
[08:51:06] Dagmar: In particular I'm also pissed off about the fact that you copied an option from the damn xorg.conf I posted that was CLEARLY commented to show that it is NOT valid with the version of the driver you had
[08:52:23] Bogus8: Dagmar: sorry, I did not pay very close attention to the numbers... I just assumed I had a more recent version.. my mistake
[08:52:58] Bogus8: Dibblah: let me go "watch tv" again so the backend log has some actual info
[08:54:01] Bogus8: Dibblah: 2007-01–05 00:53:06.396 TVRec(1): HW Tuner: 1->1
[08:54:01] Bogus8: 2007-01–05 00:53:13.191 MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding
[08:54:02] Dagmar: Bogus8: You obviously didn't pay attention to a damn word of what I was saying in the channel, because I explained in detail which versions went with what, what the option was supposed to do, etc etc
[08:54:16] Dagmar: So let's not have any bullshit about *me* suppsedly having a permanent bad day
[08:54:29] Dibblah: Dagmar: Apologies for that comment.
[08:54:35] Bogus8: like you missed my pastbin link I must have missed something you said also ;)
[08:55:09] Bogus8: Dagmar: but I did go back and reread it again, so I guess I missed it twice... sorry
[08:55:15] Dibblah: Okay. Let's chill and fix the issue.
[08:55:18] Dagmar: I talked *at length* about it
[08:55:42] Dibblah: Dagmar: If it's complaining about IVTV,...
[08:55:56] Bogus8: I remember you asking what ver. I was using and then saying "ok, I didn't want to be steering you in the wrong direction".. that was pretty much all I get out of the version part of our conv.
[08:56:12] Bogus8: and btw, I'm not blaming you as you have only tried to hellp
[08:56:37] Bogus8: Dibblah: I think I have two different problems and he was helping me on a different one
[08:56:45] Dagmar: Bogus8: You can scroll up and see that you're mistaken, or you can live in ignorance. I really don't care. Trying to make excuses is simply wasting your time.
[08:57:08] Dibblah: Bogus8: Have you tried a reboot? The IVTV hardware is flakey to get going sometimes.
[08:57:12] Bogus8: Dagmar: I have already admited I must have missed it... I don't discount that you said something!
[08:57:17] Dibblah: And requires a hard power down.
[08:57:33] Dagmar: Bogus8: I don't care if you admit it or not.
[08:57:39] Bogus8: Dibblah: umm.. rebooted a few times ...never power off though
[08:57:46] Dibblah: It's particularly sensitive to the firmware that's loaded.
[08:57:57] Dagmar: I'm thinking that the ivtv problem is probably another "doesn't really read documentation" problem.
[08:58:02] Bogus8: Dagmar: then why tell me to scroll up or live in ignorance?
[08:58:27] Dagmar: Bogus8: Because clearly it's bothering *you* because you're still going on about it as if it's going to change my opinion.
[08:59:07] Dibblah: Dagmar: Please. Let's just leave the arguments there. They don't help fix the issue :)
[08:59:09] Bogus8: Dagmar: appreciate your effort but at this point you aren't helping anymore... and I really don't give a damn about your "opinion"... thanks for your help
[08:59:26] Dagmar: Bogus8: Then shut the fuck up about it already and focus on fixing your problem.
[08:59:31] Bogus8: done
[08:59:39] Dagmar: OKay, NOW we're all on the same page
[09:00:15] Bogus8: Dibblah: doing a hard power off now
[09:00:43] Dibblah: Okay. Once that's done, can you pastebin dmesg?
[09:00:53] Bogus8: Dibblah: sure thing
[09:00:58] Dibblah: the output of dmesg, that should have been.
[09:01:26] Dibblah: (Ignoring your other issues at the moment – Just getting livetv on _some_ display is a good thing)
[09:02:21] Bogus8: Dibblah: correct... in that guide it said to look at the itvt driver loading in the log and make sure there were no problems.. everything seemed on the up and up
[09:02:27] Bogus8: correct tuner type and such
[09:02:41] Dibblah: BTW, once IVTV is up and running, it "just works" – Most of these are initial setup wobbles.
[09:03:00] Bogus8: hmm... shutdown now command seems to be doing diddly squat
[09:03:12] Dibblah: It's the oddest, most tempremental hardware I've ever seen :)
[09:03:14] Bogus8: but 'reboot' works
[09:03:46] Bogus8: ok, powerd off and it's coming back up
[09:03:59] Bogus8: 1ghz so give her a second ;)
[09:04:41] Bogus8: huh? crc error after uncompressing linux...
[09:05:11] Bogus8: wtf?!
[09:06:10] Dibblah: Ummm... Oops?
[09:06:13] Bogus8: ok
[09:06:29] Dibblah: That's a much bigger wobble than usual.
[09:06:31] Bogus8: unplugged the PSU and drained the flea current and now it's coming up
[09:07:08] Dibblah: I'd say that's a fair sign of hardware problems, if it were my machine.
[09:07:12] Dagmar: http://www.memtest86.com or http://www.ultimatebootcd.com
[09:07:18] Dibblah: Have you tried memtest86?
[09:07:21] Dibblah: Heh :)
[09:07:25] Dagmar: You can't install Myth and make it work on broken hardware.
[09:07:38] Dagmar: There's too many weird things going on
[09:07:40] juski: well you could, but YMMV more than usual
[09:07:43] Bogus8: Dibblah: umm not on this particular set of ram... I just moved off a malfunctioning mobo
[09:07:53] Dagmar: Like, backends just *don't* up and decide to record things on their own from a new install
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[09:08:03] Dagmar: Suuure just the motherboard was bad
[09:08:08] Dibblah: Dagmar: I think we agreed that was live TV ;)
[09:08:19] Bogus8: it was live tv
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[09:08:35] Bogus8: umm... in old case/mobo it wouldn't even POST anymore
[09:08:51] Bogus8: AND I had serious lock ups when X was running.. I haven't seen ANY of that on here yet
[09:09:39] Dibblah: Bogus8: Can you still pastebin the output of dmesg, please?
[09:09:54] Dagmar: Man I pretty much always vet new *or* old hardware when I'm doing an install
[09:09:56] Bogus8: on it's way
[09:10:04] Bogus8: http://pastebin.com/851653
[09:10:43] Bogus8: only thing "old" here is the ram (I know, major factor), cpu and mobo
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[09:10:50] Dagmar: Too many times have I been burned because a stick of RAM wasn't quite all the way in a socket, etc etc
[09:11:02] Bogus8: the other stuff is technically "used" but fairly new FX5200 and PVR 150
[09:11:09] Bogus8: well, pci sound is old too
[09:11:51] Bogus8: I know they are seated properly as I made damn sure of that... they didn't give that "click" on one side so I reseated them and made damn sure they were in ther
[09:11:54] Bogus8: e
[09:13:17] Bogus8: I'm just glad the pvr 150 matured since my last time installing.. that ivtv driver was a bitch... and newer versions worked worse than older ones sometimes... nightmare
[09:14:11] Bogus8: btw, Dibblah... I believe you were right about needed to power cycle the card.. I get garbled video now on the TV
[09:14:19] Bogus8: and no audio...well a hum
[09:14:24] Bogus8: light hum
[09:14:49] Bogus8: it looks like a sync issue.. becuase I'm seeing all the sub picture stuff
[09:15:49] Bogus8: and the hum seems to coralate to the flickering
[09:16:40] robbins876: is there a way to test my video card for openGL?
[09:17:22] Dagmar: robbins876: You don't really need to test it. If you know what model/number it is it's generally trivial to look with Google
[09:17:25] qu0zl: i use glxgears, don't think it says whether you have opengl or not but you can tell by the frame rate it quotes
[09:17:50] Dagmar: Hehe. 15000 > fps means you have hardware accelerated OpenGL.
[09:17:57] quicksilver: robbins876: glxinfo
[09:17:58] qu0zl: :)
[09:18:03] quicksilver: tells you if GL is actually working
[09:18:05] Dagmar: Below that you are either using Mesa or one of those craptacular intel cards
[09:18:06] quicksilver: which is probably what you meant
[09:18:34] qu0zl: so that's the correct way to do it ehh? So long to poor glxgears :(
[09:18:51] Dibblah: Sorry. Had to go and do the breakfast in bed thing.
[09:19:04] Bogus8: no worries
[09:19:10] Bogus8: it's 3am here :)
[09:19:21] qu0zl: perfect time to be eating meals in bed then
[09:19:48] Dibblah: Bogus8: It sounds like the video standard may be set wrong for you.
[09:19:57] Bogus8: qu0zl: well, I tend to eat most of my meals in bed.. VERY flexible schedule
[09:20:04] qu0zl: hehe
[09:20:23] Bogus8: Dibblah: had you seen my xorg.conf?
[09:20:31] Bogus8: http://pastebin.com/851629
[09:20:56] Bogus8: though I'm guessing you mean on my pvr 150 more so
[09:21:15] Bogus8: since the menu and streaming stuff works
[09:22:00] robbins876: Dagmar: I ask because i'm trying to load up World of Warcraft in Wine, but when i use the -opengl tag after WoW.exe the game fails to load... i know this is the wrong channel, but...
[09:23:15] Dibblah: Bogus8: Yes, the recording settings.
[09:23:53] Bogus8: Dibblah: I'm fairly certain I have the backend setup correctly but I could check whatever you would like me to
[09:25:13] Dibblah: TV Standard..
[09:25:29] Bogus8: isn't there a way I can capture just the audio from the card to a file then play it back with mplayer.. or connect mplayer strait to that device?
[09:25:41] Dibblah: It's in mythtv-setup somewhere :)
[09:25:54] Dibblah: mplayer /dev/video0
[09:25:58] Dibblah: I think...
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[09:29:18] Bogus8: so far I'm only seeing TV Format which is set to NTSC
[09:29:23] Bogus8: and that is correct
[09:29:30] Dibblah: Okay.
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[09:32:09] Dibblah: When you say distorted picture, is there any sign of the picture that you're expecting?
[09:32:35] Dagmar: Bogus8: Here. http://pastebin.com/851664
[09:32:37] Bogus8: yeah.. it's clear.. just umm glitchy
[09:32:41] Dagmar: I've taken the stupid out of it
[09:33:03] Bogus8: like jumps and top 1/3 goes to bottom and vice versa and such
[09:33:09] Dagmar: I'm a little baffled as to why the hell KnoppMyth even defines a 32bpp mode
[09:33:13] Bogus8: Dagmar: thank you
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[09:36:35] Bogus8: Dagmar: no go with that config and the lcd (still just tv)
[09:37:17] Bogus8: and the ivtv driver is hosed again
[09:37:54] Dagmar: Bogus8: That config doesn't have anything to do with the LCD
[09:37:59] Dagmar: USE THE TELEVISION
[09:38:18] Dagmar: Use one or the other, quit trying to use them both
[09:38:19] Bogus8: Dagmar: well, I had the tv working... I was aiming for both simultaneously
[09:38:25] Dagmar: It's not going to happen
[09:38:37] Dagmar: Not without you reading the docs for the nvidia drive
[09:38:41] Dagmar: s/drive/driver/;
[09:38:54] Bogus8: Dagmar: and I shall.. just not at 3am ;)
[09:39:05] Dagmar: If you're wanting like, the program guide on one display and TV on the other, you can just forget that right now
[09:39:24] Bogus8: I got it to work last time... but that was when FC3 was still the latest :)
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[09:44:12] Dibblah: If the driver is falling over regularly, that would suggest a problem with either the motherboard, pvr150 or power supply :(
[09:44:35] Bogus8: Dibblah: could it not be because of the sync issue?
[09:45:04] Dibblah: Unlikely.
[09:45:39] Bogus8: well, ok.. I'll run a memtest on it tomorrow when I wake... and go from there
[09:46:03] Bogus8: thanks guys... time to crash... guess I should go into work tomorrow... at least to change the server tape ;)
[09:48:46] Dagmar: I strongly suggest running the memtest NOW
[09:48:52] Dagmar: It's not going to be a quick thing.
[09:49:00] qu0zl: yeah good point
[09:49:01] Dagmar: At least if it runs while you sleep you don't have to pay attention to it
[09:49:15] qu0zl: gl with it Bogus8
[09:49:17] Dagmar: Generally it's going to take most of the night to complete
[09:49:52] Bogus8: Dagmar: only got 512 in there... should take too too long
[09:49:57] Dagmar: lol
[09:50:02] Dagmar: It will.
[09:50:08] Bogus8: and I got a brandnew stick of 512 at work I'm gonna gank
[09:50:29] Bogus8: I've run memtest before it's never rediculous.. couple hours most
[09:50:43] Dagmar: You either didn't have much RAM or you disabled some of the tests
[09:51:12] Dagmar: Anything that takes more than 10 minutes, I do *not* just sit and watch
[09:51:19] Bogus8: default test under fedora's boot disc
[09:51:43] Bogus8: never said I was going to watch it.. probably set it, shower, go to work for an hour or so
[09:51:45] Dagmar: Hey, if you like waiting around for a few hours for a test to complete, that's your deal
[09:52:03] Dagmar: I leave it running overnight to be damn sure there's nothing wrong
[09:52:45] Bogus8: I'm playing with streams right now as I wait for sleep to kick in
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[10:20:30] Ediehow: anyone NOT "use internal volume controls?"
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[10:24:48] quicksilver: I hardly ever use mythtv volume at all
[10:24:57] quicksilver: I keep it at max and use my TV/amplifier to control volume
[10:25:02] Merlin83b: Ditto
[10:25:44] quicksilver: even so my myth-stuff is still much quieter than native TV, while my playstation is noisier
[10:25:49] quicksilver: stupid volume inconsistencies
[10:29:59] Merlin83b: All my stuff is the same except my DVD player which is very quiet.
[10:30:05] Merlin83b: I should turn eveything else down, I guess.
[10:33:26] juski: Ediehow: I don't. I use my digital amp
[10:34:19] juski: I've toyed with the idea of using JACK & a comp/limiter plugin though
[10:45:08] quicksilver: what do I need, in order to switch coordinatedly between three AV sources (myth, PS2, VHS) and two audio-only sources (CD, cassette)
[10:45:22] quicksilver: currently I have a mess of cables, a scart switcher and lots of buttons to press
[10:45:34] quicksilver: do I need one of these A/V receiver jobbies?
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[10:46:51] Ruleke: your amplifier should have enough connections :)
[10:49:13] Dagmar: Ah just run it all through the MythTV box
[10:49:36] Dagmar: Guitar Hero II has a thing that lets you tell it to compensate for the encoding delay.  :)
[10:49:40] The_Ball: how does myth communicate with lircd? my socked or /dev/lirc ?
[10:49:41] wireddd: quicksilver, yes you need a reciever
[10:49:47] The_Ball: s/my/by
[10:50:37] The_Ball: irw run as the user mythtv works fine, but nothing happens in mythfrontend
[10:52:03] quicksilver: Ruleke: my amp can't switch the video though
[10:52:14] quicksilver: Ruleke: I was looking for something to switch video and audio coordinatedly
[10:52:37] quicksilver: wireddd: will any cheap AV receiver from richersounds do? or is there something to look out for?
[10:52:42] juski: mythtv does away with the need for switching
[10:52:51] juski: put it all in mythtv, problem solved :)
[10:52:58] juski: ONE source
[10:53:23] juski: and no need for a million input AV amp ;)
[10:53:45] juski: isn't that what mythtv is all about.. convergence?
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[10:54:27] quicksilver: juski: I don't fancy buying two more AV-in cards just to route my PS2 and my VHS through my myth box though?
[10:54:31] juski: quicksilver: you can pick up a remote controllable AV matrix for not-so-many-spons these days, so I'm led to believe
[10:54:39] juski: VHS? what's VHS?
[10:54:43] juski: ;)
[10:54:43] quicksilver: :)
[10:55:06] quicksilver: believe me, the significant other is quite emotionally attached to certain clunky VHS titles
[10:55:11] juski: sorry I just thought the whole point of mythtv was to eliminate boxes under the TV & replace them with just one
[10:55:25] juski: haha – roger that
[10:55:38] juski: mine was the same. had to get her reprogrammed
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[10:56:17] juski: you know that 'Friends' box set collection? no need for it when there's E4
[10:56:27] quicksilver: we have the complete friends on 10 DVDs :)
[10:56:36] ** quicksilver cheers for dodgy ebay far-eastern importers **
[10:56:56] Dagmar: Or.... you could just go ahead and jump off a tall building.
[10:56:58] juski: my wife bought me a 'family guy' 'box set' from a guy on ebay
[10:57:09] juski: it came on an unreadable dvd-r in a normal envelope :(
[10:57:17] Dagmar: But it was shipped in a box
[10:57:17] juski: so I shopped the bastard
[10:57:26] Dagmar: shopped?
[10:57:31] juski: reported him to ebay
[10:57:35] Dagmar: ah
[10:57:41] quicksilver: wireddd: can you typically 'tell' these things which audio corresponds to which video? I.e. this SPDIF corresponds to myth's video channel?
[10:57:52] juski: quicksilver: yeah you can do that :)
[10:57:56] juski: only with good ones though
[10:58:02] juski: my rx-v457 can
[10:58:16] wireddd: I prefer yamaha recievers btw
[10:58:24] juski: and by 'good' I don't necessarily mean expensive ;)
[10:58:38] wireddd: do not buy a sony reciever
[10:58:46] wireddd: ever
[10:59:24] juski: oh fack. we get a 'not ready' error, but only on this LBA. this is not fun
[10:59:51] Dagmar: You mean a disk error?
[10:59:58] null: If I have sat, I don't need to have such a digital receiver if I have a proper DVB-S card, right?
[10:59:58] quicksilver: hmm richer have a yahama for 150 quid
[11:00:28] quicksilver: null: the receivers we are discussing are to play your sounds through your hi-fi and unify various video sources, they're not 'needed' at all
[11:00:44] null: quicksilver: it has nothing to do with your discussion, I just wanted to ask ;-)
[11:01:18] juski: Dagmar: yeha it's a disk error, but only on LBAs higher than 02A40. damn cd writer
[11:01:27] juski: quicksilver: www.superfi.co.uk
[11:01:36] Dagmar: Ah well, at least they're cheap now
[11:01:38] juski: better than richer, and they'll beat anyone on price
[11:02:04] quicksilver: juski: ah, thank you
[11:02:08] juski: got my rx-v457 for £1150 over a year ago
[11:02:12] juski: delivered
[11:02:24] juski: hem one hundred an fifty squid
[11:02:48] juski: I hate these stupid 'special' charsets
[11:02:49] quicksilver: juski: there are 2 richers in walking distance of the office which is useful
[11:03:25] juski: yeh the one thing I didn't like about superfi was they used shitylink or someone like that
[11:03:41] quicksilver: hmph a 459 is ukp350 though :)
[11:03:50] juski: "when we tried to deliver your item you were out making money to buy the item"
[11:04:08] quicksilver: grin
[11:04:21] juski: so you ring em up.. and they say they can try to deliver to the same address again or leave it out by the front door
[11:04:23] quicksilver: I tend to get things delivered to the office for that reason
[11:04:49] juski: leave a brand new HT receiver outside on my front doorstep.. hmmm good idea. NOT
[11:05:02] juski: blimmin cluetards
[11:05:23] quicksilver: :)
[11:05:35] quicksilver: think a 359 will do me?
[11:05:53] juski: depends how many inputs it has & how many you want
[11:06:27] ** quicksilver nods **
[11:07:02] quicksilver: it seems to have 4 analogue video, two analogue audio
[11:07:03] juski: looks about the same spec as my rx-v457
[11:07:17] quicksilver: plus a digital in and a multichannel in
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[11:07:29] quicksilver: looking at http://www.superfi.co.uk/images/RXV359-rear-1600.jpg
[11:07:30] juski: 4 video, 6 audio
[11:07:37] Dagmar: Holy crap
[11:07:47] juski: 3 assignable digital inputs (1 coaxial, 2 optical)
[11:07:53] Dagmar: RSnake hit the fucking JACKPOT
[11:08:07] quicksilver: 'assignable' means you can tell it "this digital audio corresponds to this video"?
[11:08:14] juski: yeah
[11:08:28] juski: download the emmanuelle & have a shufty ;)
[11:08:44] The_Ball: can i signal mythfrontend to re-read the lircrc file?
[11:08:55] juski: you can even rename inputs on mine, so I have 'MythTV' source :)
[11:09:15] juski: very good for the wifey
[11:09:20] ** quicksilver nods **
[11:09:25] quicksilver: very good
[11:09:28] quicksilver: just a shame it's silver :(
[11:09:35] quicksilver: still, thanks for all the advice
[11:09:52] juski: black is less popular & usually more expensive
[11:10:00] juski: or is it the other way round now? anyway
[11:10:05] juski: shop around
[11:10:11] Dagmar: If anyone has any oil tankers they'd like to pilot through some XSS vulnerabilities, now woul dbe a good time to get on it
[11:10:27] quicksilver: everything else is black, sadly
[11:11:08] ** juski hands quicksilver a can of silver paint **
[11:12:44] juski: holy moly. I didn't half get a good price on my receiver
[11:12:55] juski: still listed at over 200GBP
[11:13:48] wireddd: I still prefer my non digital yamaha reciever because it has 0.02 THD and it sounds awesome
[11:15:12] juski: when I set my yamaha up replacing the old Technics PoS, I immediately noticed its extended HF & LF range, then realised I'd not even touched the EQ
[11:15:18] juski: :)
[11:15:28] juski: still haven't touched the EQ either
[11:16:01] wireddd: I never touch mine
[11:16:27] juski: hrm. not sure if an XPWRITE is even allowed in packet writing.. time to dig out the T13.org docs again :(
[11:16:35] wireddd: the sony 5.1 reciever I use for my home theater sounds like crap
[11:17:39] Dagmar: check yer wiring
[11:17:44] ** juski realises it's Friday (yay!) **
[11:18:06] juski: hrm. XPWRITE is a SCSI command, not ATAPI – so it seems
[11:19:21] juski: or are all cd writing commands based on scsi.. hrm.
[11:22:18] quicksilver: I thought so
[11:22:31] quicksilver: I thought all cd writing was SCSI, it was just 'packaged' into IDE control packets
[11:22:45] quicksilver: not an area of personal expertise though I could be talking shit
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[11:24:03] qu0zl: you used to have to use a ide-scsi wrapper for cd writing in linux anyway
[11:24:09] qu0zl: wrapper module even
[11:24:51] quicksilver: nod
[11:25:12] quicksilver: (with some driver modules)
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[11:34:38] juski: not talking about linux here.. it's our own OS
[11:34:50] juski: a bunchahacks
[11:35:14] quicksilver: ah OK
[11:35:50] quicksilver: Still I had the impression that the 'fancy stuff' (like finalising a session or the RW stuff) was all handled with extended SCSI commands which were packaged into IDE packet
[11:46:06] juski: yeah you're right
[11:46:21] festr_: hello
[11:46:47] festr_: i've still not successed with interlace pathrough :(
[11:47:01] festr_: how is it possible there is no way how to turn off deinterlacer?
[11:47:27] festr_: radeon 9100 igp, mythtv plays via xv
[11:47:35] festr_: 720x567 resolution
[11:47:49] festr_: both mpeg2 and vga-rgb scart out
[11:50:35] juski: you can disable deinterlacing by setting tv playback settings in mythfrontend
[11:51:30] juski: the default setting is _NOT_ to deinterlace btw
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[12:26:41] juski: woo now there's something that would make me drop xmltv in the blink of an eye.. mythtv supporting Freeview 'playback'
[12:26:52] quicksilver: what's that?
[12:30:14] juski: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . back;#219705
[12:30:31] Merlin83b: Did they launch Playback yet?
[12:31:33] juski: I think so
[12:33:17] Merlin83b: Oh right, sooner the coding arrives the better! Where's stuarta when you need him?
[12:33:17] quicksilver: interesting
[12:33:25] quicksilver: potentially you could hit a button during a trailer
[12:33:30] quicksilver: and it could record the series for you
[12:34:18] juski: yep
[12:34:30] Merlin83b: If I ever watched trailers that'd be lovely ;-)
[12:34:48] juski: and in theory we could have that for trailers which have been recorded too.. stick that in yer eye, $ky !!
[12:35:07] ** quicksilver nods **
[12:35:21] Merlin83b: I'd go back to watching trailers :)
[12:35:37] juski: I actually laughed when I found out $ky's 'series link' thing doesn't work on recorded shows
[12:36:48] juski: anyway in theory the changes to myth that are needed are pretty trivial
[12:38:14] juski: it's one of the few feature improvements I'd consider moving to svn for
[12:38:35] hashbang: quicksilver: ATAPI is essentially the SCSI command set over the ATA physical layer.
[12:45:02] juski: ooo yeah .. come to daddy... COME TO DADDY http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/05/hitac . . . rst_1tb_hdd/
[12:45:06] jblack: Hey, is there a way to order shows by record date?
[12:45:34] juski: yes, I believe there's a setting in mythfrontend for that
[12:45:45] juski: oldest first, maybe...
[12:46:14] jblack: I might be using record date in the wrong context.
[12:46:20] fryfrog: hashbang: i don't think that is quite accurate :/
[12:46:28] jblack: I actually mean order by showing date.
[12:46:48] jblack: Not the date that myth recorded or showed, but by the date that the show was originally broadcast.
[12:47:03] jblack: The problem is that I'm building up a library and episodes are showing up out of order.
[12:47:37] fryfrog: airdate is what you mean
[12:47:56] jblack: Yeah. Original airdate.
[12:48:34] juski: don't think you can sort by original airdate
[12:49:27] juski: this looks promising for UK HD playback in a box.. http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/04/revie . . . ital_eva700/
[12:50:03] jblack: Ok. I'll deal with it once all the smallvilles get recorded. That'll take months or years.
[12:50:50] hashbang: fryfrog: have a look at Linux's ide-scsi layer. It doesn't do any magic. :-)
[12:56:05] fryfrog: scsi emulation isn't atapi though
[12:56:17] hashbang: fryfrog: eh?
[12:56:27] fryfrog: atapi is *part of* ata/ide/etc
[12:56:45] fryfrog: though, i spose it wouldn't be the *first* tie i was wrong :)
[12:56:46] hashbang: fryfrog: Linux's ide-scsi layer makes ATAPI devices show up as SCSI devices. It doesn't need to do any command set translation for this to be possible.
[12:56:47] fryfrog: er, time
[12:57:08] hashbang: fryfrog: of course; ATAPI is part of the ATA spec.
[12:57:38] hashbang: I was writing in response to '<quicksilver> I thought all cd writing was SCSI, it was just 'packaged' into IDE control packets'
[12:57:42] fryfrog: ah, so you are saying atapi is really just some scsi commands implemented for ide?
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[12:57:52] hashbang: fryfrog: exactly.
[12:57:54] fryfrog: ahhh
[12:58:07] jblack: hashbang: Nah. Its ide.
[12:58:20] hashbang: fryfrog: why bother re-inventing the wheel (i.e. creating a new command set) when you know what commands are necessary from ~20 years+ experience with SCSI.
[12:58:37] hashbang: jblack: IDE is obsolete terminology. SCSI is IDE too.
[12:58:47] hashbang: i.e. Integrated Drive Electronics.
[12:58:50] jblack: You can't change adaptors and "wow! I have a scsi drive!"
[12:59:08] hashbang: jblack: no, I never said you could. Only that the SCSI and ATAPI command sets are the same.
[12:59:13] ** juski regrets ever even mutterring the words **
[12:59:25] hashbang: jblack: I explicitly said 'ATA _physical_ layer'
[12:59:25] jblack: Sure. THey're very similiar. :)
[13:00:13] hashbang: note also that from RHEL5/FC7, PATA and SATA devices will be showing up as SCSI device nodes.
[13:00:28] jblack: Oh, rehat is defaulting to scsi emulation?
[13:00:38] ** hashbang nukes /dev/hd* from orbit. **
[13:00:48] hashbang: jblack: not just RHAT, though they'll probably be the first.
[13:04:49] Dagmar: Wow there's some fun stuff in there
[13:05:06] Dagmar: Might be time to consider /dev/atad[a-z]
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[13:06:18] jblack: I don't see the industry moving over to scsi emulation at this point.
[13:06:53] hashbang: jblack: the Linux industry you mean, or?!??!
[13:06:58] jblack: Yup.
[13:07:36] fryfrog: jblack: sata already shows up as /dev/sda
[13:07:55] fryfrog: and while i haven't burned a cd in linux *ever*... i thought scsi emulation was required for that?
[13:08:03] Dagmar: fryfrog: This means that PATA drives will begin showing up under /dev/sd[a-z]
[13:08:18] jblack: The elephant in the room (ubuntu), and to a lesser extent, debian, are moving towards abstracting media storage. There won't be an "hda" or "sda" at all. Instead, media will be referred to by identifiers such as serial numbers
[13:08:26] Dagmar: fryfrog: Nope. ide-scsi is deprecated and 2.6.x will carp at you if you even try loading it
[13:08:34] fryfrog: oh, awsome
[13:08:40] fryfrog: i hated scsi emulation :p
[13:08:44] Dagmar: aestetix: It's kinda the top story on Memestreams
[13:08:48] Dagmar: erk wrong channel
[13:08:58] Dagmar: Life is definitely easier without SCSI emulation
[13:09:09] hashbang: fryfrog: cdrecord and growisofs have direct support for ATAPI these days.
[13:09:11] fryfrog: jblack: i noticed that they referenced serial numbers, it was odd but it was easy to find it when i added my old array :)
[13:09:16] fryfrog: nice
[13:09:21] hashbang: fryfrog: ide-scsi is still handy for best results using cdparanoia, though.
[13:09:30] jblack: Yup. They plan on moving to that methodology for everything over the long term.
[13:09:31] juski: interesting. it seems as though a pci card exists for decoding h.264 in HD
[13:09:32] Dagmar: I've not had to use it
[13:09:32] hashbang: fryfrog: (SCSI has better error reporting)
[13:09:37] juski: and it has linux drivers!
[13:09:54] fryfrog: juski: say it ain't so! how could that be possible!?!?! linux drivers????
[13:09:59] stevenh: juski: which one?
[13:10:10] fryfrog: is it like one of those old fangled dvd decoder cards from teh 2001s?
[13:10:18] hashbang: jblack: that'll be kinda nice – I already do something kinda similar by naming my LVM volumes according to what physical drive they're hosted on.
[13:10:52] quicksilver: if you use lvm or evms you're moderately insulated from underlying device names
[13:10:56] quicksilver: dev-mapper is a good thing
[13:11:00] stevenh: and does it have compenent or hdmi adapter?
[13:12:21] juski: fryfrog: essentially YES it's like one of those cards from the 1970s when pcs couldn't even decode mpeg2
[13:12:33] juski: http://gctglobal.com/sbox2000.pdf
[13:12:45] Dagmar: AIIEEE NO NOT A PDF
[13:12:48] juski: trying to find where to buy one of these $125 cards on their own
[13:12:58] juski: prolly just vaporware
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[13:15:48] fryfrog: looks like it has dvi and comonent output, as well as spdif
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[13:24:34] Dagmar: Man oh man
[13:24:34] Beirdo: well, gputrans is getting somewhere
[13:24:35] Beirdo: hehe
[13:24:45] Beirdo: the output ain't quite right yet though
[13:24:46] Dagmar: This PDF problem info is spreading like wildfire
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[13:26:48] juski: pdf == no sweat, with the foxit reader :)
[13:27:15] juski: 1.5MB download. no bloat, no nasty update checking, no slow start times
[13:30:10] stevenh: hmmm dvb in
[13:32:56] juski: though tbh I'd probably settle for a HD h.264 capable networked media player, if it worked with mythtv
[13:33:23] juski: either way, it looks like solutions are beginning to appear for us Europeans :)
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[13:33:53] Beirdo: other than moving to the new world?
[13:33:54] Beirdo: :)
[13:34:06] juski: where they have mpeg2 HDTV? pah
[13:34:29] Beirdo: hehe
[13:34:38] juski: I think 18mbit h.264 will be a little better than the same bitrate mpeg2 ;)
[13:34:39] BULLE: juski: i would do the same i think, but so far, i havent seen any
[13:35:18] juski: there haven't really been any because of the dearth of decoder chips
[13:35:26] stevenh: dishtv has mpeg4 hd
[13:35:36] juski: so does $ky
[13:35:48] stevenh: how do you capture it?
[13:35:52] juski: but neither of those are open for folks to use mythtv
[13:36:07] juski: dvb-t or dvb-s2
[13:36:21] BULLE: here we have canal digital, com-hem and some more that offer a few hd channels
[13:36:32] juski: there's some hdtv on dvb-c too
[13:36:34] BULLE: juski: just buy a dvb card ?
[13:36:44] juski: but again it's h.264 with AVC
[13:36:53] juski: and it's encrippled
[13:37:10] BULLE: so buy a subscription for the encrippled channels you want ?
[13:37:26] juski: you can't get a CAM for UK cable
[13:37:29] BULLE: oh
[13:37:30] quicksilver: BULLE: the point is, you can't get a signal that the myth box can receive
[13:37:36] BULLE: quicksilver: well, i can
[13:37:38] quicksilver: BULLE: they don't want you to, since if you could, you could record it
[13:37:51] juski: there's nothing to stop you _getting_ the signal
[13:37:55] Beirdo: http://www2.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/gputrans/
[13:37:55] BULLE: quicksilver: i see, i live in sweden, and here cams are readily available for all broadcasters
[13:37:57] juski: it's encrippled
[13:38:01] Beirdo: that's what it does so far...
[13:38:03] quicksilver: Most of the companies are hoping to implement DRM at the same time as HD
[13:38:16] juski: quicksilver: not the BBC, I don't think
[13:38:27] Beirdo: as long as you can read ppm files ;)
[13:38:36] BULLE: so i just bought an conexant cam, and plopped it into the ci and viola, my mythbox can receive the pay channels
[13:38:41] quicksilver: s/coded/crypted/
[13:38:43] BULLE: quicksilver: i see
[13:38:54] quicksilver: juski: oh, that's good news
[13:39:03] quicksilver: juski: there are some sane guys working for the BBC let's hope they win
[13:39:15] ** BULLE only know insane bbc people **
[13:39:21] BULLE: but its insane, in a positive way
[13:39:24] ** quicksilver nods **
[13:39:30] quicksilver: s/sane/insane in a good way/
[13:39:30] juski: being realistic though – it's going to be a LONG time before the majority of content is HD
[13:39:56] quicksilver: and after my torchwood experience the other night I can't get too enthusiastic about HD
[13:40:10] juski: "only fools and horses re-runs.. NOW IN HD!"
[13:40:21] BULLE: juski: guess its just them producing in hd though, no promise to only broadcast in hd
[13:40:36] quicksilver: juski: :)
[13:40:40] juski: BULLE: exactly
[13:40:54] quicksilver: wasn't planet earth produced in HD?
[13:41:07] quicksilver: ISTR you can buy the HD form of it somehow
[13:41:32] juski: quicksilver: yeah. and torchshite is produced in HD
[13:41:39] ** quicksilver nods **
[13:41:56] ** quicksilver *likes* torchwood. Captain Jack is damn sexy. **
[13:42:02] juski: and Cirque Du Celebrie.. pfft
[13:42:20] ** juski can see the attraction but wouldn't feck him **
[13:42:34] juski: not even with yours :)
[13:43:17] BULLE: quicksilver: atleast you can download some hd clips from planet earth, if you live on the silly little island =)
[13:43:35] juski: Beirdo: did you get the filenames confuzzled?
[13:43:44] BULLE: i would actualy like to have planet earth in hd, its one of those things that realy would look nice in LARGE size
[13:43:52] Beirdo: don't think so, let me doublecheck
[13:44:20] Beirdo: nope, they are right
[13:44:22] quicksilver: BULLE: yes, it's a good choice for it
[13:44:35] Beirdo: it's currently mucking up the chroma information somehow
[13:44:39] Beirdo: not quite sure how
[13:45:15] jblack: It would be cool if myth could apply cutlists on the storage layer.
[13:45:53] jblack: I don't need to keep this whole nightline show. Just the 10 minute article about how christians are breeding like rats.
[13:46:32] juski: other than the chroma abberation I can't tell the diff between those files Beirdo.. original doesn't look esp. noisy
[13:46:38] BULLE: christians breeding like rats ?
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[13:46:42] Beirdo: juski, but it's mucking up the frames at 20FPS :)
[13:46:50] Dagmar: Well, set your cutlists so that's the only part that's left, and then transcode it out as if it were mostly a big-ass commercial
[13:46:52] Beirdo: yeah, and that was (wait for it) analog cable
[13:47:02] Dagmar: Then you can go back in and clear the cutlists
[13:47:08] Dagmar: BULLE: I think they mean Catholics
[13:47:12] jblack: bulle: Yeah. 10-15–20 child families. There's even a name for it. "The quiverfull movement".
[13:47:18] juski: jblack: lol
[13:47:21] plb_: A couple questions for you guys...first, is there a way to prevent gnome-screensaver (aside from disabling it) to not startup when using mythtv?
[13:47:25] quicksilver: BULLE: seems it was broadcast in HD on Sky HD
[13:47:36] Dagmar: Also known as "breeding your own damn soccer league"
[13:48:16] Beirdo: 20 child families? That's insane.
[13:48:17] juski: aka a counter-argument to the 'non-whites are taking over by outbreeding us' fear laden propaganda
[13:48:25] BULLE: he, 20 child families
[13:48:25] Beirdo: I'd hate to pay the grocery bills...
[13:48:29] BULLE: yeah, thats pretty insane
[13:48:32] jblack: So, obviously I want to keep _that_ part of the show, for posterity's sake ("The beginning of the world started here"). The saddam execution, not so much.
[13:49:03] jblack: I know nuvexport can honor cut lists when exporting. Is there a way to do an equivilant thing within myth itself?
[13:49:07] ** juski puts his GIMP back in its box **
[13:49:17] Beirdo: juski, so you like the output of gputrans? :) hehe
[13:49:23] juski: jblack: ever heard of editing a show?
[13:49:36] juski: Beirdo: yeah – I can see awesome stuff coming
[13:49:36] Beirdo: the chroma is putzed, for sure. still working on trying to track down how/why
[13:49:37] jblack: Yeah. I've already edited. Its still taking up all that space though.
[13:49:43] plb_: ok another question, how do I go about getting channel icons?
[13:49:56] juski: jblack: did you transcode it though? nothing gets chucked away til you do that
[13:50:06] jblack: I transcoded, then edited.
[13:50:16] juski: wrong order :)
[13:50:27] jblack: I can't watch anything until after I transcode.
[13:50:54] juski: maybe myth supports losses transcoding of mpeg4.. I dunno
[13:51:17] juski: or maybe you'll have to re-transcode. eew. lossy transcode after a lossy transcode
[13:51:18] jblack: I'm victim to a bios bug that causes video memory to be misreported, so myth bombs out with out of memory when I try to watch non transcoded shows.
[13:52:24] juski: ahh Ewrongmotherboard
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[13:52:54] jblack: More like Ewronglaptop
[13:53:08] juski: heh
[13:53:27] jblack: I didn't know for two years that I had this problem, until I started using myth.
[13:54:16] BULLE: jblack: and manufacturer refuses to fix bios ? "its to old, buy new laptop?"
[13:54:44] jblack: I didn't even try asking Sony for help.
[13:54:50] plb_: hrm has anyone noticed this out of date info at zap2it labs? I have channels that aren't listed on it
[13:55:05] jblack: They're big on the old "Reinstall windows and see if the problem persists"
[13:55:23] juski: did you try rebooting?
[13:55:32] quicksilver: have you plugged the machine in, sire?
[13:55:56] jblack: Yeah.... You have the idea.
[13:56:34] BULLE: have you installed the rootkit that came on the install cd ?
[13:56:38] jblack: "So, the problem isn't that some windows machine has been running a full 15 minutes and needs a reboot. THe problem is that you didn't follow the Intel bios specification on shared memory reporting for video cards."
[13:56:43] jblack: "Uhh, is that reboot done yet?"
[13:57:34] jblack: Why even bother...
[13:57:51] quicksilver: sir, we have resolved your fault: you are not running Windows. Please install Windows and tell us if the problem persists.
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[13:58:12] jblack: Its not even the words mistake.
[13:58:29] juski: what difference does telling X how much videoram you have make?
[13:58:44] monkeyBox: Does anyone know if it is possible to get OTA HD w/ a basic cable subscription (comcast/time warner)?
[13:59:00] jblack: juski: X can't allocate ram for large buffers, such as for high resolution videos.
[13:59:06] juski: OTA with cable? contradiction in terms?
[13:59:29] BULLE: jblack: i think juski means, what happens if you in the x-config file, you explicitly set the ram sixe
[13:59:32] jblack: So, when I try to view anything hd, you get goodness. I get a blue screen and gobs of "X.org: BadAlloc".
[13:59:33] BULLE: size
[13:59:38] monkeyBox: Well, I guess I mean the channels that are normally available OTA...
[13:59:45] jblack: Yeah. I tried that. I didn't seem to get anywhere.
[13:59:58] jblack: I tried setting a high value (32 megs), a low value (8 megs). Same result.
[14:00:20] BULLE: and there is no setting in bios, where you can set the ammount of ram ?
[14:00:44] jblack: Nope. There's supposed to be one (its in the spec), but Sony didn't bother to follow it.
[14:01:15] juski: jblack: prolly worth a try would be using the IEGD
[14:01:42] juski: it's binary but hey if it works....
[14:01:46] plb_: anyone tell me how to get channel icons?
[14:01:49] jblack: I'd rather doo without. Thanks.
[14:01:56] juski: and there's a lovely 600 page doc to read
[14:02:05] juski: jblack: ah well – your loss
[14:02:41] monkeyBox: I /would/ just go out and buy an antenna, but I live in a 3-story apartment complex, and I don't have the option for a roof-mounted antenna.
[14:04:42] juski: plb_: depends. there are a few ways to go about it. one uses something called iconmap. search the wikiwikiwahwah
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[14:06:51] jblack: Heh. "What can be done to to improve the Intel website for you and other users?"
[14:06:59] jblack: "I am really angry that intel has locked down its specifications and standards. Doing so has hampered free software. Intel and Sony, working in collusion, have suceeded in selling me what amounts to an overpriced $2600 lump of tin, lead, silicon and plastic. Please learn how to work within the framework of free software such as linux. You're harming some of your customers (like me) by not playing nice."
[14:07:32] laga: re
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[14:08:23] Merlin83b: Heh.
[14:09:37] jblack: It won't do any good. At least I get to vent. :)
[14:10:52] Beirdo: juski: it looks like the chroma info is about 32 pixels higher on the image than the luma
[14:11:03] Beirdo: I think that's what it is. no idea how it got that way
[14:11:22] laga: hey Beirdo :)
[14:11:36] Beirdo: you can see spots on the forehead for his eyes
[14:11:41] Beirdo: heya, laga
[14:12:18] laga: GreyFoxx: are you still using your modified ati_remote.c or did you switch to mythcontrols?
[14:14:47] GreyFoxx: laga: I did a mass update of everything the other day, and applied enough of my ati_remote.c to the current kernels version to get my remote going again :)
[14:15:05] GreyFoxx: still fighting using lirc :)
[14:15:53] laga: GreyFoxx: cool :) because i've just received mine and, uh, some keys aren't working/accessible within mythcontrols.
[14:17:01] plb_: juski, ok I see 1 way of getting channel icons...you have to go through this WHOLE stations.txt and pick your stations??
[14:17:07] darkdrgn2k: Any one know what is going on :
[14:17:07] darkdrgn2k: 2007-01–05 04:16:48.717 Connected successfully
[14:17:07] darkdrgn2k: 2007-01–05 04:16:54.733 MythSocket(81b5048:11): writeStringList: Error, invalid string list.
[14:17:30] darkdrgn2k: that is my slave, it just doesnt want to stay connected to the front end
[14:17:44] Ruleke: version mismatch ? idunno
[14:17:53] darkdrgn2k: Ruleke:exact same version.
[14:18:23] darkdrgn2k: Ruleke:im re-compiling it AGAin but i copied the compiled copy from the master to the slave and did a make install on the slave
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[14:20:52] linxeh: does anyone here use a mythtv frontend on ppc linux (or on macosx) ?
[14:21:16] linxeh: I guess what I want to know is – is a 1.33ghz mac mini a good front end machine ?
[14:22:06] kslater: linxeh – I've heard it works pretty well
[14:22:14] linxeh: on linux? or osx ?
[14:22:18] kslater: HD playback is still in question
[14:22:20] kslater: OSX
[14:22:24] linxeh: ok
[14:22:34] kslater: my brother has FE's on all the OSX machines in his house
[14:22:35] linxeh: I'm not bothered about HD playback atm, as I only have a sony 28" CRT
[14:22:50] kslater: are you in the US?
[14:22:53] linxeh: UK
[14:23:00] linxeh: will be a while before I can afford to buy a new TV
[14:23:16] kslater: juski – you should have some comments on this
[14:23:43] linxeh: I'm quite surprised that mythtv works "OK" over NX
[14:23:56] linxeh: certainly for video file playback anyway
[14:24:27] kslater: mac mini isn't ppc though is it?
[14:24:34] linxeh: the original ones are
[14:24:37] kslater: hmm
[14:24:43] linxeh: the current ones are core duo (not core2 duo yet)
[14:24:46] kslater: could be a different kettle of fish
[14:24:48] Dagmar: Weird.
[14:25:07] Dagmar: --with-bindings=perl became a hidden configure option instead of an assumed option in 0.20-fixes?
[14:25:24] Dagmar: Are there plans to make nuvexport go away or something?
[14:25:25] linxeh: http://guides.macrumors.com/Mac_mini_(PPC)
[14:26:21] linxeh: mine is a Rev C 1.33ghz
[14:26:21] kslater: linxeh – IIRC there was serious difficulty getting myth running on top of the PPC arch
[14:26:21] linxeh: there are ppc osx myth front ends available
[14:26:22] linxeh: i've not tried it yet though
[14:26:49] linxeh: http://collectivity.goof.com/articles/2006/10 . . . -x-universal
[14:26:50] kslater: maybe the trouble was for BE's anyway
[14:27:20] kslater: my brother's gear is all the newer Intel based stuff
[14:29:06] linxeh: yeah, im not bothered about the backend – running that on an ubuntu 6.10 pentium4 box
[14:31:44] linxeh: I will be getting intel based stuff at some point, but the ppc mini seems like a nice way to get a front end box
[14:34:59] defend: i installed the svn version and it keeps segfaulting any ideas or what is the best method to remove it
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[14:44:05] Dagmar: A blowtorch.
[14:49:50] defend: lol
[14:50:27] defend: ya i want to cry i had it all setup to and my hd was causing safe_readlock errors so i was like i will upgrade everything
[14:50:27] defend: lol
[14:50:30] defend: such a poor idea
[14:50:52] qu0zl: defend, do a 'make install' and see what it copies and where to
[14:50:55] qu0zl: then delete that stuff
[14:51:02] qu0zl: there may be a better way, but that springs to mind
[14:51:27] defend: lol
[14:51:29] defend: i know
[14:51:29] qu0zl: or if you have another version from a package, then the svn one may be in /usr/local and the package on in /usr, and then just run the right one
[14:51:52] defend: i was hoping for a xarg or cmd regex or something lol
[14:53:23] quicksilver: make uninstall?
[14:54:05] Beirdo: juski, got it
[14:54:07] Beirdo: :)
[14:54:15] Beirdo: let me put new frames for perusal :)
[14:55:40] Beirdo: check 00002*
[14:55:41] Beirdo: :)
[14:58:49] laga: Beirdo: you playing with gputrans?
[14:59:30] Beirdo: yup
[14:59:36] Beirdo: check the results...
[14:59:47] Dagmar: Except for the whole problem that libraries in /usr/local/lib will generally overrule libraries in /usr/lib
[14:59:48] Beirdo: http://www2.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/gputrans
[14:59:59] Beirdo: ignore the 00001 ppm files, I fixed that bug
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[15:01:41] fryfrog: neat, sounds like a cool idea
[15:01:47] laga: Beirdo: yep. download's a bit slow, though ;)
[15:02:00] Dagmar: Already too bored to look
[15:03:05] Beirdo: heh, well it IS on my shitty cable modem connection
[15:05:21] Beirdo: it's working, just have to figure out how much denoising it's actually doing ;)
[15:10:31] laga: Beirdo: i don't see a difference ;)
[15:10:40] Dagmar: Use Gimp
[15:10:49] Dagmar: Paste one over the other and use the subtraction filter or something
[15:11:04] Beirdo: laga: yeah, try in gimp, I haven't tried yet.
[15:11:09] Beirdo: but trust me, it IS processing it
[15:11:10] Beirdo: heh
[15:11:13] Dagmar: Or pretend you went to Cornell and just fake your results;
[15:11:16] Beirdo: at 20FPS on that
[15:11:21] null: How can I fix this issue: If I'm watching TV and press the Info button on my remote (that is bound to "I"-key) it shows the position and I have to press Info again to get the programm description. Any ideas how to configure the frontend to show the description with the first Info press?
[15:11:38] Dagmar: Haxoring the source
[15:11:43] laga: Beirdo: i do believe you. maybe it's just because my glasses are scratched badly. ;)
[15:11:46] Milosch: sounds like you have a key assigned twice in lircrc?
[15:12:07] Dagmar: Um, no, that's the way it normally works, man
[15:12:26] null: hum, that isn't that nice... going to have a look at the source then
[15:12:44] null: because you can bring up the position by pressing 'enter' too....
[15:12:45] Beirdo: heh, could be, laga
[15:12:55] Beirdo: but the original on that is not terribly noisy anyways
[15:13:35] laga: Beirdo: 00001.ppm is more impressive ;)
[15:14:01] Beirdo: yeah, I messed up on some offsets, so the chroma is like 32 or 64 pixels higher than the luma
[15:14:05] Beirdo: heh
[15:15:49] jams: hey laga
[15:17:11] laga: heya jams
[15:17:25] laga: Beirdo: maybe i'm going to try the gimp thing later, i've got some errands to run first
[15:17:35] Beirdo: K :)
[15:17:42] Beirdo: it's getting SOMEWHERE though ;)
[15:17:52] Dagmar: Take yer norelco and run it right next to the coax input
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[15:51:55] Dagmar: 0% Can't locate object method "new_recording" via package "MythTV" ... blah blah blah
[15:51:56] Dagmar: *sigh*
[15:54:29] juski: laga: tried jams' iso last night. it's awesome – a word I never use lightly
[15:55:26] laga: juski: what .iso?
[15:56:13] juski: remember the cool screenshots we saw once?
[15:56:20] juski: them, in practise
[15:56:21] laga: yep
[15:56:42] laga: got a d/l link?
[15:56:50] juski: yeah somewhere
[15:57:21] laga: juski: you should have told me earlier. i've just installed edgy. ;)
[15:57:36] juski: makes ubuntu look a bit on the slow crappy side IMHO
[15:57:50] Dagmar: OKay, anyone have a suggestion for getting nuvexport working again?
[15:58:20] darkdrgn2k: BAAA can some one PLEASE tell me what all this is about:
[15:58:20] darkdrgn2k: 2007-01–05 05:58:07.727 MythSocket(8224168:11): writeStringList: Error, invalid string list.
[15:58:47] Beirdo: laga... seems that the output is precisely the same as the input
[15:58:48] Beirdo: hehe
[15:58:58] juski: better than before then :)
[15:59:00] Beirdo: sooo, something still isn't working quite right
[15:59:30] laga: Beirdo: yay, my eyes are still OK :)
[15:59:33] laga: juski: thanks
[15:59:35] Beirdo: hate to do it, but I might have to actually read back all the motion estimation vectors, etc.
[15:59:47] Beirdo: I mean diff said the files are identical even :)
[16:00:03] Beirdo: and for your edification...
[16:00:18] Beirdo: pnmarith -difference orig.ppm denoised.ppm > diff.ppm
[16:00:19] Beirdo: :)
[16:00:36] Beirdo: it will show the pixels that are different (by being non-black)
[16:01:18] laga: ah, thanks :)
[16:01:20] defaultro: Are there plans for mythtv supporting edge blending on a splitted video?
[16:01:39] darkdrgn2k: >>> 2007-01–05 05:58:07.727 MythSocket(8224168:11): writeStringList: Error, invalid string list.
[16:01:41] darkdrgn2k: ANyONe PLEASE
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[16:02:03] Beirdo: so now I'm gonna scratch my head for a bit longer
[16:02:10] Beirdo: but at least it's not destroying shit now
[16:02:24] laga: darkdrgn2k: please paste the *completE* error message on pastebin.ca
[16:02:29] laga: darkdrgn2k: including the backend output
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[16:02:50] juski: defaultro: wtf is edge blending? poncy bending video around cubes?
[16:03:20] defaultro: take a look at this thread. A lot of CRT pj folks will surely be happy with this feature
[16:03:42] defaultro: finding it, wait
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[16:04:10] defaultro: i have one, http://www.4290greenfieldlanehome.com/blendprocess.jpg
[16:04:22] defaultro: but the thread i'll paste is the real one in action
[16:04:39] juski: ahhh
[16:04:54] juski: a software 'gobo'
[16:05:15] GreyFoxx: I'm curious, why go with a CRT projector though?
[16:05:16] defaultro: gobo?
[16:05:30] GreyFoxx: Are they not the bigger, bulkier and louder ugly cousins of todays projectors ?
[16:05:39] darkdrgn2k: error pastebinned->http://pastebin.ca/306597
[16:05:39] defaultro: :D i love the quality of the picture
[16:06:08] ** sandeen looks at the homepage for 4290greenfieldlanehome.com :) **
[16:06:11] defaultro: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=729705
[16:06:23] defaultro: sandeen, :D that's my old house
[16:06:46] defaultro: somewhere on that thread shows the blending images
[16:07:53] defaultro: the picture quality of a CRT is better than some of the digital projectors i've seen. Digital projectors are very sharp but I don't see the 3Dness in them
[16:07:58] defaultro: i know it's really huge
[16:08:18] darkdrgn2k: anyone :'(
[16:08:23] sandeen: "Network Port for Personal Video Recorder" – hehe
[16:08:40] defaultro: :D
[16:08:46] defaultro: funny huh
[16:08:56] sandeen: what if I wanted a network port for my laptop? :)
[16:08:58] defaultro: those guys don't know it, it sounds cool to them
[16:09:41] Dagmar: What the hell display are you seeing "3D-ness" in?
[16:09:53] Dagmar: They're freaking flat images man
[16:10:02] defaultro: this is what i was telling, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php . . . #post9059867
[16:10:14] defaultro: i mean, more lifelike
[16:11:09] defaultro: i'm actually working on now with VLC folks regarding this kind of feature. I have sent them a bug report and hopefully within the quarter, it'll get resolve
[16:11:09] Dagmar: Ah, okay
[16:11:21] sandeen: analog spits more gobs of light at the wall, they accumulate for a subtle 3d effect
[16:11:33] sandeen: digital photons, however, are much flatter and therefore don't have this effect
[16:11:35] Dagmar: So do magic mushrooms
[16:11:57] Dagmar: Jesus it's like being on the forums
[16:12:06] juski: just have the screen drawn by little sprites like me
[16:12:26] sandeen: newer generation lcd projectors will have 3d photons, specially created for maximum 3d accumulation :)
[16:12:32] defaultro: https://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/979
[16:12:44] darkdrgn2k: Anyone Please:( ->http://pastebin.ca/306597
[16:12:50] juski: sandeen: and colour photons, for extra crispyness
[16:13:05] defaultro: sandeen, looks like you also like CRT :D
[16:13:32] defaultro: i have seen one in the area and we watch Discovery HD, jaw dropped
[16:13:47] defaultro: but yes, they are very hard to maintain, which am worried about
[16:14:08] defaultro: but dude, 20k tube hours, WOW
[16:14:18] juski: convergence maintenance.. oof
[16:14:48] juski: darkdrgn2k: video source is defined but not associated with a card input... "Rogers is defined, but isn't attached to a cardinput."
[16:15:10] darkdrgn2k: juski: so?
[16:15:16] juski: so fix it
[16:15:26] darkdrgn2k: juski: i dont have a cardinput for that one yet LOL
[16:15:40] juski: so?
[16:15:46] juski: so why's it there?
[16:15:55] darkdrgn2k: juski: cause there will be one eventually
[16:15:58] darkdrgn2k: is that wat causing the problem
[16:16:25] juski: dunno. would be a good place to start looking
[16:17:00] juski: this is one of them "hey my setup is half done but it's not working like I'd expect it to. why's that?"
[16:18:27] Dagmar: juski: Heavy metal-bearing paint used on cribs
[16:18:44] Dagmar: ...or unreasonable user expectations
[16:19:27] juski: Dagmar: how do you keep this up all day long? man even I find it hard work
[16:19:57] Dagmar: juski: Nine times out of ten, I put in "evilDagmar" as my 'nym
[16:20:04] Dagmar: It keeps the riff-raff away
[16:20:13] JoeyJoeJo: Even though my backend is running, mythfrontend says it's not. I also have this message repeated in my mythbackend log a bunch of times: 2007-01–05 03:05:28.644 HTTPRequest::ParseRequest – Timeout waiting for request header.
[16:20:22] JoeyJoeJo: are these two things related?
[16:20:44] Dagmar: People just _assume_ I'm an asshole who isn't going to help them, so when I jump right in and tell them (as an act of mercy) that what they're trying to is completely impossible, or suicidally problematic, they go away and don't bother me again.
[16:21:10] Dagmar: JoeyJoeJo: probably the same root cause
[16:21:43] Dagmar: juski: Something lilo had written on the pdpc site was to the effect of "You can't help everyone--some people are beyond helping--so don't even try"
[16:22:03] JoeyJoeJo: dagmar: is the info I gave enough to tell what that cause is?
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[16:23:05] kslater: if your frontend can't connect to your backend you have fundemental problems
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[16:23:16] kslater: are they on the same machine?
[16:23:18] shawn: does anyone else have a problem with mythweather--for tomorrow's forcast today it has thursday not saturday I've always had a problem with this
[16:23:30] juski: shawn: not since mythtv 0.20, no
[16:23:45] shawn: I'm using .20...
[16:24:05] JoeyJoeJo: kslater: yes they are.. the thing is that as soon as I start my computer, everything works fine, but then after about an hour, the frontend won't connect with the backend
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[16:24:16] JoeyJoeJo: but if I restart the backend everything will be fine
[16:24:57] kslater: do you use actual ip addresses for the BE location?
[16:25:03] kslater: or localhost? or?
[16:25:10] JoeyJoeJo: IP address I think
[16:25:27] GreyFoxx: JoeyJoeJo: You running a recent SVN ?
[16:25:30] kslater: does said machine get its ip address via DHCP?
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[16:25:55] JoeyJoeJo: GreyFoxx: I'm running a version from gentoo's portage, but I'm not sure how recent
[16:26:01] GreyFoxx: ok
[16:26:08] GreyFoxx: When did you install it ?
[16:26:17] JoeyJoeJo: kslater: yes, but the router gives it the same IP every time.. I'm still able to ssh to it
[16:26:37] JoeyJoeJo: GreyFoxx: Not sure, about a month ago, so it can't be too recent
[16:26:47] GreyFoxx: ok, not what I'm thinking then
[16:26:52] fryfrog: JoeyJoeJo: "emerge -vp mythtv" or "emerger -s mythtv" should tell you what version you are using
[16:27:15] defaultro: so guys, looks like there will be no need to edge blending feature then for mythtv :(
[16:27:33] JoeyJoeJo: mythtv-0.20_p12172
[16:28:01] fryfrog: and if you do "emerge -upv mythtv" you can see if there is a newer version in portage
[16:28:25] kslater: how often does your lease on your address expire?
[16:28:25] fryfrog: though, you might consider syncing and "emerge -uDNav world" every weekish
[16:28:29] JoeyJoeJo: yeah, but I'll probably have to do a sync first since I haven't done it in a while
[16:28:40] juski: JoeyJoeJo: does the box's hostname ever change?
[16:28:45] sandeen: has anyone had success doing an iso rip from mythdvd, and playing it back with digital passthrough from the builtin player? Mine acts like it's trying to play multiple audio streams at the same time or something; digital receiver freaks out
[16:28:54] JoeyJoeJo: kslater: I don't know
[16:28:57] JoeyJoeJo: juski: no
[16:29:08] defaultro: later folks
[16:29:23] JoeyJoeJo: kslater: I'll try to find that in my router
[16:29:59] juski: hrm... I suddenly feel the need to go home & drink alcohol
[16:30:23] laga: i feel to need to give upstart a good whipping
[16:31:14] kslater: just a thought since it seems to be able to connect when you ask it but it fails after a while
[16:31:56] JoeyJoeJo: kslater: I just found it.. it says 2 weeks
[16:32:09] kslater: doesn't sound like that's the problem then
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[16:32:33] JoeyJoeJo: should I change the setting to the loopback anyway, or would it not make a difference?
[16:33:53] kslater: It's better to use an actual ip address for future expansion purposes
[16:34:12] juski: hmmm whipping
[16:34:19] juski: Ewrongwindow!
[16:34:19] JoeyJoeJo: kslater: ok
[16:34:43] kslater: juski – cooking channel?
[16:34:57] juski: er.. yeah.. that's what I meant
[16:38:07] Ruleke: laga said it first :P
[16:38:36] laga: Ruleke: ;)
[16:38:46] laga: well, some googling revealed my mistake ;)
[16:40:09] kslater: JoeyJoeJo does this always happen after a period of about 1 hour and then you can correct by restart of backend?
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[16:40:31] kslater: the funny thing is that myth has pretty good recoonection logic in it now
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[16:51:52] ** juski throws in the towel **
[16:52:03] juski: the weekend has landed!
[16:52:10] Hoxzer: where?
[16:52:20] ** Hoxzer just came from india **
[16:52:20] Ruleke: drinking time here too
[16:52:24] ** kslater wishing he were at GMT-0000 **
[16:52:33] Ruleke: I'm at GMT+0100 :)
[16:52:36] bwallen_: I feel obligated to say that it's 5 oclock somehwer
[16:52:42] bwallen_: somewhere
[16:56:19] opello: so, where's this gmt+0108
[16:57:27] kslater: 8 minutes further wast from RuleKe?
[16:57:40] Hoxzer: Does anybody know movie where is this teenage guy who is caught by this order guy who acts like he is a cop however he is a scammer looking for new partner
[16:58:27] opello: kslater: it would be fun if it worked that way :)
[16:59:30] cesman: howdy folks
[16:59:57] cesman: anyone know if there is a way to have Mytharchive sort my time instead of subtitle?
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[17:12:00] jams: cesman- it's not an option that I know of
[17:16:19] cesman: doh!
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[17:20:23] daviey: cesman, when will the next release of Knoppmyth be out?
[17:23:40] Dr_willis: gee R5E50 just got released and you want another? :)
[17:25:36] daviey: Dr_willis, tbh i don't follow knoppmyth much anymore – i have a ubuntu install. But i know how much cesman likes to be asked! ;)
[17:25:47] Dr_willis: :)
[17:26:06] Dr_willis: i had issues with E50 – so im back to the earlier one now.. will stick with it for a few more months. heh heh
[17:26:12] cesman: so why the fuck do you care?
[17:26:31] daviey: calm down cesser's this is a family channel
[17:28:28] daviey: cesman, any news on the changelog?
[17:28:29] ** Dagmar looks for children who aren't police. **
[17:29:57] ** quicksilver arrests Dagmar for suspected paedophilia **
[17:30:21] Dagmar: You know, there's more you can do with children than molest them
[17:30:29] darkdrgn2k: Dagmar: Welcoem to the internet, where Men and Men, Women are Men, And 12 year old gurls are FBI agents
[17:30:50] Dagmar: Perhaps I need to hire them for my textile mill
[17:30:59] quicksilver: a likely story
[17:31:02] quicksilver: come along now
[17:31:06] quicksilver: you can explain it all at the station
[17:34:20] cesman: daviey: why do you care?
[17:34:52] cesman: if you are interested in knoppmyth, I'd be intested in it's shortcomings that led you to try ubuntu instead
[17:34:53] darkdrgn2k: wahts the last stable svn
[17:35:10] cesman: please come to #knoppmyth if you care to discuss
[17:35:47] juski: darkdrgn2k: svn is never considered 'stable'. if you want 'stable' try 0.20-fixes
[17:35:49] daviey: cesman, interest really. I jumped ship as i wanted more recent version and a fully functional desktop underlying it. Also i wanted to install other applications on my backend such as asterisk and zoneminder.
[17:36:19] darkdrgn2k: juskicause i cant shake this "2007-01–05 07:32:56.637 MythSocket(81f71f8:11): writeStringList: Error, invalid string list."
[17:36:38] daviey: cesman, however, knoppmyth defiently got me started on myth – it it wasn't for that, i don't think i would have bothered
[17:38:07] juski: darkdrgn2k: was this you? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . list;#234177
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[17:39:04] juski: darkdrgn2k: not saying this has anything to do with the error, but have you checked that the database is in good shape?
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[17:39:24] jcopper: has anyone had trouble with getting myblaster serial to work?
[17:39:47] Dagmar: Gods no. That's _easy_
[17:40:01] jcopper: I can't get the codesearch to even work
[17:40:14] jcopper: I am running ubuntu
[17:40:53] ** juski hands out sympathy for everybody running ubuntu **
[17:41:13] juski: my uptime is currently sitting at a record high of over 6 days now
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[17:41:22] daviey: juski, can i have two portions?
[17:41:47] ** juski chuckles **
[17:41:56] jcopper: my mythbox has been up for months no problems at all
[17:42:20] juski: jcopper: so was mine when it was on gentoo
[17:42:25] daviey: my ubuntu backend has been up 27 days. Would have been longer but had power cut
[17:42:28] ** kslater uptime usually craters when he's on vacation and expecting to record something / anything **
[17:42:55] jcopper: gentoo rocks I used that on my box first then switched to ubuntu
[17:43:15] jcopper: dumb thing to do but easier for multimedia editing
[17:43:18] daviey: jcopper, doesn't 'emerging' anything take forever?
[17:43:20] juski: if it lasts another month I might stay with it for a while longer
[17:43:36] Dagmar: Not forever. Just hours.
[17:43:44] jcopper: it does but worth it performance afterwards
[17:43:48] daviey: Dagmar, get back in your cell
[17:43:50] juski: but after what I saw from an iso I was handed last night, very very tempted to dump it now
[17:44:26] kslater: what did you see pray tell?
[17:44:36] jcopper: I thought this myblaster was suppose to be easy
[17:45:13] jcopper: I have perl and perl5 install is that the problem
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[17:45:55] jcopper: private
[17:46:25] daviey: what perl version is your fefault?
[17:46:30] daviey: default?
[17:46:34] Dagmar: wtf
[17:46:35] jcopper: not sure how to tell that
[17:46:37] Dagmar: It's all perl 5
[17:46:44] Dagmar: Probably 5.8.x
[17:46:53] ivor: >> juski: ...I saw from an iso I was handed last night... ??
[17:46:54] jcopper: 5.8.7
[17:46:59] daviey: perl -version
[17:47:52] daviey: that shouldn't be your problem, are you following a guide / or guesswork?
[17:48:01] juski: ivor: yeah.. something jams is working on. it's blimmin' awesome is what it is
[17:48:11] jcopper: I can't apt-get the Hi Res module
[17:48:34] ivor: hmmm, intriguing. jams.... ?
[17:48:42] jcopper: the guide is update and install perl then I error on the next step
[17:48:48] jcopper: the code search
[17:49:01] juski: ivor: mythtv distro. don't think I've ever had mythtv up & running from scratch so fast in all my life
[17:49:55] daviey: juski, what distro?
[17:50:08] ivor: daviey: jams' distro I assume
[17:50:22] daviey: oh
[17:51:10] juski: currently only very very early test version but if my first impressions are anything to go by.. omg!
[17:51:19] kslater: based on?
[17:51:28] kslater: linux distro base I mean
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[18:06:05] juski: kslater: arch, I think. not sure
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[18:06:56] jams: the base core is arch
[18:07:12] ShiftyPowers: anyone here use a USBUIRT as a receiver for the Hauppauge PVR-250 remote?
[18:07:15] ShiftyPowers: or know if that works?
[18:08:07] GreyFoxx: jams, adding in your own installer app or something?
[18:08:42] jams: yeah, plus other some other stuff to make it easier to use
[18:09:08] GreyFoxx: cool
[18:09:17] jams: you have seen the early screenshots, but I have added more since then
[18:10:19] jams: screenshots don't do it justice in some places =)
[18:11:23] juski: definitely not :)
[18:12:02] juski: there was only one point where I thought 'uh-oh' but that was cos I'd forgotten to restart the backend with f3
[18:12:08] juski: oops alt-3
[18:13:00] jams: juski- thats been fixed for standalone systems
[18:13:38] daviey: ShiftyPowers, have you bought the usbuirt yet?
[18:13:57] ShiftyPowers: yep, i have it from my old days
[18:14:04] juski: jams: I'll take the iso for a test drive on the frontend tomorrow
[18:14:07] ShiftyPowers: problem is that i've lost the IR receiver from the pvr250
[18:14:33] daviey: ShiftyPowers, you can buy replacements cheaply.
[18:14:43] ShiftyPowers: where can i find the replacements?
[18:14:47] ShiftyPowers: i've been searching
[18:14:51] ShiftyPowers: don't know what to get
[18:15:05] daviey: ShiftyPowers, What i was going to say – is use the lirc serial one for £8 (pre-built) that defiently works
[18:15:38] ShiftyPowers: I know LIRC supports usbuirt in the latest version
[18:15:40] ShiftyPowers: i've seen that
[18:15:44] ShiftyPowers: and I'm going to install it this weekend
[18:16:03] ShiftyPowers: but my issue is that I should be able to technically use the hauppauge remote with the USBUIRT no?
[18:16:11] ShiftyPowers: is it not simply an IR receiver at that point?
[18:16:20] jams: juski- i have my doubts as it's an epia box
[18:16:35] juski: jams: yeah but we'll see if the kernel modules are ok & so on
[18:16:41] fryfrog: ShiftyPowers: I think as long as the IR reciever is 5C, it'll work
[18:16:41] daviey: oh okay. how does the the usb-uirt work? is it a fake serial port?
[18:16:51] juski: jams: I'm not gonna shoot you for not giving me 100% functionality ;)
[18:17:12] ShiftyPowers: fryfrog: cool, i'm not sure that the USBUIRT is a 5C (any idea how to check?)
[18:17:25] fryfrog: I have a serial port IR reciever that gets signals from my Harmony remote (which is pretending to be a PVR350 remote)
[18:17:35] fryfrog: ShiftyPowers: hook it up, watch irrecord or irw or something
[18:17:45] juski: anyway AFAIK via openchrome is built into xorg 7.x so in theory I just need to put driver = via in xorg.conf
[18:17:46] null: what should I enter as the audio device with an analogue bttv framegrabber? I think the sound is on the soundcard on the line-in jack... so? ;-)
[18:17:48] ShiftyPowers: cool, thanks guys
[18:17:56] fryfrog: I think the PVR350 comes with a USB ir reciever now too
[18:18:24] sysrq: when I was looking at it it looked like it plugged into the card
[18:18:24] fryfrog: null: you should *probably* try loading the btaudio module first, see if you can get sound on that
[18:18:27] sysrq: not USB
[18:18:32] null: fryfrog: doesnt work, already tried :p
[18:18:40] fryfrog: ah, life sucks then you die :(
[18:18:46] fryfrog: sysrq: for the PVR350?
[18:18:48] null: fryfrog: or I understood it correctly, I think it creates a virtual sound card, right?
[18:18:51] fryfrog: maybe i'm thinking of PVR500
[18:18:59] sysrq: fryfrog: yes
[18:18:59] daviey: ShiftyPowers, bottom of that page is a replacement one for $10
[18:19:04] fryfrog: null: if you load the module, check the output of dmesg
[18:19:16] fryfrog: you'll probably end up with a *second* sound card even if it doesn't work
[18:19:17] null: fryfrog: I get some interrupt messages, but nothing else
[18:19:23] fryfrog: the key is... does audio come out
[18:19:25] sysrq: fryfrog: http://www.hauppauge.com/images/pvr350_ep_bg.jpg
[18:19:30] null: I don't get any soundcard at all..
[18:19:36] sysrq: IR miniphono jack
[18:20:03] fryfrog: sysrq: ah, you are right for sure then. the pvr500 is the one w/o that sort of remote then
[18:20:22] fryfrog: guess i should have remembered, since someone jsut sent me a pvr500 w/o the remote/usb dongle :)
[18:20:27] null: fryfrog: ah i see, you need to load both the soundcard and the btaudio module... trying again
[18:20:39] fryfrog: null: i didn't realize that?
[18:21:06] null: fryfrog: Do we mean the same? I use the module supplied with the kernel (snd-bt87x)
[18:21:12] null: isn't that btaudio?
[18:21:42] fryfrog: what does "modinfo btaudio" report?
[18:21:51] null: btaudio is OSS, and snd-bt87x is alsa
[18:21:56] fryfrog: i *thjought that was what it was called, but i honestly don't have a bt sound card :)
[18:21:59] fryfrog: ahhhh
[18:22:11] null: Going with OSS then..
[18:22:29] fryfrog: i tried "btaudio" on a pair of bttv cards like 3 years ago, but quickly crushed them with my rolly chair
[18:22:30] null: because alsa doesn't seem to create any device nodes that are usable...
[18:22:37] fryfrog: alsa wouldn't
[18:22:46] fryfrog: you'd have to use something like alsasound to look at it
[18:22:52] null: mhm
[18:22:53] fryfrog: you can feed it ummm, sound card options?
[18:23:03] fryfrog: maybe "alsamixer --help" or something?
[18:23:12] null: fryfrog: well, but I can't use them in mythtv I think?
[18:23:20] fryfrog: yeah, you can
[18:23:24] null: how?
[18:23:33] fryfrog: in the box that only cycles through "/dev/sound" or what ever
[18:23:39] fryfrog: you can simply put "ALSA:default"
[18:23:47] fryfrog: doesn't cycle, but you can type it
[18:23:47] null: well, isn't ALSA:default the audio-out?
[18:24:06] fryfrog: sorry, that was an example :)
[18:24:09] null: oh =)
[18:24:17] fryfrog: i dunno what youd have to put for alsa input from a secondary card
[18:24:26] fryfrog: i mean, i don't even have a *clue* what it'd look like :)
[18:24:29] null: hehe
[18:25:42] ShiftyPowers: is there anyway to reduce the cpu priority of something like mythcommflag?
[18:25:47] null: fryfrog: well, I'll enable the oss compatibilty, then it creates devices nodes too :p
[18:25:53] ShiftyPowers: it makes my videos jumpy if it's running in the background
[18:25:57] ShiftyPowers: severely reducing WAF
[18:25:58] fryfrog: ShiftyPowers: change the priority to "low"
[18:26:08] ShiftyPowers: where do i do that fryfrog
[18:26:17] fryfrog: you can also change the actuall *commadn* from "mythcommflag" to "nice -n 19 mythcommflag"
[18:26:31] fryfrog: ShiftyPowers: in one of the *many* config pages :(
[18:26:41] ShiftyPowers: cool, that's in myth-setup no?
[18:26:56] fryfrog: or under mythfrontend, "setup" etc
[18:27:20] ShiftyPowers: so many config pages :)
[18:27:47] fryfrog: yeah :(
[18:27:57] ShiftyPowers: so i would actually change the command to nice?
[18:28:00] darkdrgn2k: Anyone :( (http://pastebin.ca/306814)
[18:28:02] ShiftyPowers: nice is a linux command i take it?
[18:28:15] fryfrog: yes, it is what controls priority
[18:28:24] fryfrog: -19 is very important, 19 is not
[18:28:38] fryfrog: if you set myth to "low" i think it spawns them with a nice of 17 or so
[18:28:40] ShiftyPowers: cool
[18:28:50] fryfrog: but you can help it along by using "nice -n 19" :)
[18:36:28] ShiftyPowers: fryfrog: can't seem to find the options to change the mythcommflag command
[18:36:37] ShiftyPowers: i went to TV settings and general
[18:36:53] ShiftyPowers: i see the option to use commercial detection or not
[18:36:54] fryfrog: its somewhere, you'll run accross it *eventually*
[18:36:56] laga: darkdrgn2k: open up mythtv-setup on the master backend.
[18:37:03] darkdrgn2k: yep
[18:37:21] laga: darkdrgn2k: you can set two ip addresses there. make sure they're both set to the external ip address of your master backend.
[18:37:28] laga: ShiftyPowers: it's in mythtv-setup
[18:37:36] ShiftyPowers: ah
[18:37:37] ShiftyPowers: ok
[18:38:00] ShiftyPowers: btw, OT question....when i'm in the program guide
[18:38:07] ShiftyPowers: ist here a way to switch to that channel
[18:38:15] ShiftyPowers: i press enter but all i get are recording options
[18:38:19] fryfrog: its whit job options and transcode stuff
[18:38:21] ShiftyPowers: i'm sure this is an option somewhre
[18:38:44] laga: ShiftyPowers: yep, it is an option somewhere. can't tell you where it is, though ;)
[18:38:50] fryfrog: yeah, there is an option that says "if the show is w/in 15min of starting, just goto the channel"
[18:38:51] jduggan: ShiftyPowers: there is a way, but i forgot how.. its in the menu somewhere
[18:38:55] fryfrog: but i don't have a clue where it is :/
[18:39:00] ShiftyPowers: hahah
[18:39:00] jduggan: haha
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[18:39:03] ShiftyPowers: starting to see a trend
[18:39:07] jduggan: nod
[18:39:08] jduggan: :)
[18:39:28] fryfrog: next screens are *not* the best way of organizing options :p
[18:39:30] laga: darkdrgn2k: have you just done that? or was it that way before?
[18:39:41] darkdrgn2k: laga: always liek that, i just verified
[18:39:45] laga: fryfrog: well, there was this SoC project :)
[18:39:47] laga: darkdrgn2k: ok.
[18:40:11] laga: darkdrgn2k: what does it say for these options in mythtv-setup of the *save* backend?
[18:40:14] ShiftyPowers: SoC project?
[18:40:14] fryfrog: i hope few of the SoC bitches got approved :)
[18:40:21] laga: heh
[18:40:21] fryfrog: this years batch for gallery sucked too
[18:40:33] laga: ShiftyPowers: google's summer of code
[18:40:37] ShiftyPowers: ah
[18:41:10] darkdrgn2k: laga: so any ideas
[18:41:25] feld: in my /var/lib/mysql/ what are all these mythtv-bin.000xx files?
[18:41:29] feld: they're wasting a lot of space
[18:41:39] laga: darkdrgn2k: see my last message to you
[18:42:13] sysrq: feld: would you happen to have MySQL replication enabled?
[18:42:38] feld: sysrq: no... it sure as hell shouldn't be!
[18:42:59] fryfrog: feld: comment out "log-bin" in your my.cnf
[18:43:01] fryfrog: restart mysql
[18:43:03] fryfrog: remove files
[18:43:19] feld: fryfrog: thank you
[18:43:21] fryfrog: they are the binary logs, allowing you to rocover from *zomg emergency* type shit
[18:43:30] sysrq: or used for replication hehe
[18:43:33] feld: i dont need that I already have a backup
[18:43:36] fryfrog: ah, that i didn't know
[18:43:36] laga: darkdrgn2k: yeah, sorry for the typo. umm, it should be working then...
[18:43:57] darkdrgn2k: LAGA: it does work and it connects but that stupid msgcomes up and disconnect
[18:43:57] feld: I backup daily with a script — the whole mysql db is taken to an other server
[18:44:04] laga: darkdrgn2k: i'm running out of ideas. try starting the slave backend with --verbose all
[18:44:18] darkdrgn2k: i did : http://pastebin.ca/306814
[18:44:36] darkdrgn2k: line 129
[18:44:44] feld: thank you very much guys. you're the best! :D
[18:45:20] ** darkdrgn2k starts to crie **
[18:45:22] darkdrgn2k: y
[18:47:12] laga: darkdrgn2k: that's interesting. are you running the same revision of mythtv on both backends?
[18:47:36] darkdrgn2k: laga: exacly same.. same sourcecode..
[18:47:42] darkdrgn2k: laga: copied and pasted
[18:47:51] darkdrgn2k: Library API version: 0.20.20061228–1
[18:47:51] darkdrgn2k: Source code version: 12423
[18:48:02] darkdrgn2k: Library API version: 0.20.20061228–1
[18:48:02] darkdrgn2k: Source code version: 12423
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[18:48:55] ** darkdrgn2k cires some more **
[18:49:00] darkdrgn2k: it worked before...
[18:49:58] laga: umm. sorry, i don't have any further clues. maybe sniffing the traffic with ethereal/wireshark could provide some insight
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[18:55:00] ShiftyPowers: anyone know of a good program or utility that shows all my drives and the freespace available in each? also trying to figure out how much of an LVM PV has been allocated to a VG
[18:55:04] ShiftyPowers: i know df -T -h
[18:55:06] ShiftyPowers: is pretty good
[18:55:13] ShiftyPowers: but is there anyting graphical, nicely laid out?
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[18:58:00] fryfrog: i use jdiskreport, in windows
[18:58:10] fryfrog: its a java prog, so maybe there is a linux version
[18:58:25] sysrq: I belive it does run on linux
[18:58:46] xris: ShiftyPowers: redhat includes something like that for fedora, too.. so there could be some distro-specific tools
[18:59:11] ShiftyPowers: cool, i'll search around
[19:00:29] daviey: ShiftyPowers, wat distro are you using?
[19:00:46] ShiftyPowers: ubuntu edgy
[19:00:55] daviey: i'm using one now, wait 1
[19:01:39] daviey: ShiftyPowers, http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/LVM_gui
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[19:02:04] ShiftyPowers: dude, jdiskreport looks pretty awesome
[19:02:08] ShiftyPowers: let me check that out daviey
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[19:03:30] daviey: and there is a deb for jdiskreport
[19:03:48] ShiftyPowers: there is?
[19:03:56] fryfrog: sudo apt-get install jdiskreport?
[19:04:08] daviey: naa
[19:04:16] daviey: http://www.getdeb.net/
[19:04:17] fryfrog: ah, must be from their site
[19:04:21] fryfrog: i could hope though :)
[19:04:29] fryfrog: what is that? can you add it as a repo?
[19:04:31] daviey: 1/4 way down
[19:04:38] daviey: naa, it's a click and run
[19:04:44] fryfrog: ah
[19:04:48] daviey: or wget and dpkg -i run
[19:04:56] daviey: http://www.getdeb.net/getdeb.php?file=jdiskre . . . deb1_all.deb
[19:06:15] ShiftyPowers: cool, installed already
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[19:12:30] juski: gahhhH! fucking piece of crap Blender!
[19:12:59] juski: and they did a whole movie with that? wow they must have been really patient & kept plenty of backups
[19:16:42] jams: xris do you have a .spec file for mythextras?
[19:17:12] SlicerDicer: juski: will it blend that is the question ;-)
[19:19:07] juski: imported an .svg of the mythtv logo, planning to turn it into a nice shiny 3d extruded metal logo
[19:19:20] juski: cough animation cough!
[19:19:30] ShiftyPowers: guys, anyone know of a good guide for avidemux to join two .avi files?
[19:19:31] juski: NOT theme-related I might add
[19:19:38] ShiftyPowers: everytime i do it the audio is all messed up
[19:19:51] juski: ShiftyPowers: ahh variable bitrate audio eh?
[19:19:58] ShiftyPowers: don't know
[19:20:06] jams: xris- nevermind
[19:20:06] ShiftyPowers: just videos i've downloaded
[19:20:09] ShiftyPowers: not sure
[19:20:36] juski: ShiftyPowers: yeah those open source videos encoded with variable bitrate audio in 2 parts.. they can be tricky on a sticky
[19:20:53] xris: jams: extras is just individual separate stuff
[19:20:58] ShiftyPowers: open source videos :)
[19:21:11] juski: ShiftyPowers: you dig holes I fill em in
[19:21:46] jams: yeah I meant for mythtv
[19:22:06] jams: nuvexport is having trouble finding mythtv.pm
[19:22:07] juski: any decent howto guide would tell you that you need to completely demux the audio & video.. convert the audio to a CBR file, then remux the four files into one nice long lump
[19:22:17] jams: i just need to updated the INC path
[19:22:27] ShiftyPowers: juski: that seems like a pain in the ass
[19:22:29] ShiftyPowers: not worth it
[19:22:30] ShiftyPowers: :)
[19:22:38] ShiftyPowers: not worth it for open source videos
[19:22:56] xris: jams: MythTV.pm should have installed to the global perl file tree
[19:23:14] xris: but I do have specs for svn.. they're actually in the wiki
[19:23:54] jams: it was installed to /usr/local/lib/perl5 which is not in the INC
[19:24:54] xris: jams: weird. svn?
[19:25:19] juski: I give up with this. guess I'll just have to see what I can do with a demo version of 3DS
[19:25:26] jams: xris- yep
[19:25:44] jams: xris- it may be my own packaging
[19:26:55] xris: jams: if it's going to /usr/local, your packaging is definitely messed up.
[19:26:57] xris: packages should go into /usr/
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[19:30:26] juski: well, nowt to do until this 600MB download has finished, so may aswell play with remodelling some website or other
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[19:49:28] doc_: hi
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[20:00:52] GreyFoxx: Not with upnp no. It only serves up recordings, music and videos
[20:00:56] GreyFoxx: oops
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[20:01:24] juski: argghhh! CD avalanche!
[20:02:30] davey_: Hello, I am having a heck of a time getting lirc to work again. Whenever I modprobe lirc_i2c it doesn't create a device correlating to my lirc device for my PVR150. If I do a ls /dev/lirc* all it lists is lircd, no other devices. Anyone know what oculd be wrong?
[20:03:00] juski: lirc isn't just about the device driver
[20:03:11] juski: it's also about the daemon
[20:03:40] davey_: I can start the daemon with sudo /etc/init.d/lirc start but then as soon as anything tries to access it like irw it immediatly closes
[20:03:56] juski: how did you install it?
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[20:04:13] juski: I've always found that building it from source is the best way about it
[20:04:20] davey_: using the ubuntu edgy guide from superm1, and i've also tried compiling from source
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[20:04:51] juski: uhhhhhhhhhhhh not bunty again. man does nobody ever have any luck with that?
[20:05:06] davey_: it worked fine for me for a long time
[20:05:12] juski: and then?
[20:05:12] davey_: then i came back from vacation
[20:05:16] davey_: and its broke
[20:05:36] juski: stuff never 'just breaks'.. something else must've happened
[20:05:38] davey_: before i left for vacation i had a 15 day uptime, so all i can figure is an update got installed that broke it and when i shut it down for vacation and booted bakc up it was broke
[20:05:59] juski: ah the perils of automagical updates
[20:06:23] davey_: i've been working on it for 2 days, haven't gotten anywhere with fixing it
[20:06:24] juski: if it isn't broke, don't worry – auto updates will break it for you
[20:06:29] davey_: yeah
[20:06:41] davey_: if i can't fix it by tonight, im just gonna start from scratch
[20:06:52] davey_: dont really want to, but i've tried so much stuff and nothing works
[20:07:31] juski: have you checked dmesg to see what happens when you load the lirc module?
[20:08:02] davey_: yeah, i'll copy it
[20:08:03] davey_: [ 47.510504] lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61
[20:08:04] davey_: [ 47.518351] lirc_i2c: no version for "lirc_unregister_plugin" found: kernel tainted.
[20:08:24] juski: nothing spectactular about that
[20:08:32] juski: or even spectacular
[20:08:45] davey_: I looked that error up and didn't have much luck
[20:08:48] juski: but it's not created a device
[20:08:53] davey_: right
[20:09:03] davey_: I don't know what would cause it to not create a device
[20:09:05] juski: I think it should say that in dmesg
[20:09:10] juski: udev rules might
[20:09:26] juski: contradiction in terms, those
[20:09:46] juski: it's better than devfs, but a whole different kettle of wossnames
[20:10:14] juski: oh ffs I need to restart my box. stupid 3ds
[20:10:17] davey_: do you know of anything I could try to fix it?
[20:12:37] juski: not off the top of my head, no
[20:12:57] juski: but then I chose to know as little about udev as possible
[20:13:21] davey_: do i have to modify udev before i do the make? or is it something i can change on the fly?
[20:13:47] juski: I don't think it's anything to do with the make
[20:14:18] davey_: KERNEL=="lirc[0–9]*", NAME="lirc/%n", MODE="0666"
[20:14:24] davey_: thats all i can see from the rule file
[20:14:51] juski: hrm
[20:14:56] davey_: seems like it should make the device
[20:15:32] juski: what about /etc/lirc/hardware.conf ?
[20:15:33] kormoc: you sure you only need lirc_i2c?
[20:15:46] davey_: pretty sure thats all i need
[20:16:21] davey_: in hardware.conf LOAD_MODULES=true and MODULES="lirc_i2c"
[20:16:23] juski: check out www.parker1.co.uk for his guide – he might have a pvr150 lirc howto in there
[20:16:35] kormoc: davey_, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PVR150_Remote
[20:16:39] davey_: yeah, i looked, his remote is different
[20:16:48] juski: different how?
[20:16:57] kormoc: davey_, you don't have the lirc lines in your dmesg like that page shows do you?
[20:17:04] davey_: no I odn't
[20:17:11] davey_: mine just gives that line kernel tainted
[20:17:16] darkdrgn2k: ok stupid qurstion
[20:17:18] kormoc: something is missing on your lirc install then
[20:17:20] darkdrgn2k: trying to compile mythplugins
[20:17:30] darkdrgn2k: getting "/usr/include/mythtv/libmythtv/programinfo.h:5:23: error: mythdbcon.h: No such file or directory
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[20:19:05] davey_: i've removed and reinstalled lirc several different ways to no avail
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[20:27:30] S2: can someone tell me what the parentid field in the capturecard table is for?
[20:32:34] darkdrgn2k: in myth, where do you set the path to the life tv buffer/recording path in 20?
[20:34:24] GreyFoxx: There is no seperate location for it in 0.20
[20:36:43] GreyFoxx: the buffer went away pre 0.19
[20:36:59] darkdrgn2k: GreyFoxx: so what does "2007-01–05 10:36:37.051 AutoExpire: ERROR: Could not calculate free space for ."
[20:37:16] darkdrgn2k: mean
[20:37:41] GreyFoxx: It means exactly what it says, I don't know what would cause it though
[20:37:53] darkdrgn2k: what is "." lol
[20:38:01] darkdrgn2k: can i purge somethign to clear it out
[20:38:17] GreyFoxx: the . is a termination to the sentence
[20:38:26] GreyFoxx: the directory/path is just missing
[20:38:47] darkdrgn2k: LOL where do i specify the path though
[20:38:54] GreyFoxx: mythtv-setup
[20:39:00] GreyFoxx: where you set your recordings directory
[20:39:42] darkdrgn2k: where do i set them?
[20:39:54] GreyFoxx: "It"
[20:40:02] GreyFoxx: mythtv-setup, General I believe
[20:40:11] GreyFoxx: one of the first couple screens
[20:40:49] darkdrgn2k: baa i wish svn worked :(
[20:41:02] GreyFoxx: ?
[20:43:59] darkdrgn2k: GreyFoxx: i keep my slave would not want to stay connected to the master with the svn
[20:44:12] darkdrgn2k: i woudl get "2007-01–05 05:58:07.727 MythSocket(8224168:11): writeStringList: Error, invalid string list."
[20:44:24] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[20:44:26] GreyFoxx: nasty
[20:44:31] darkdrgn2k: GreyFoxx: any idea what it is?
[20:44:39] darkdrgn2k: or means
[20:44:51] GreyFoxx: Nope not off hand, sorry :/
[20:45:23] darkdrgn2k: GreyFoxx: its ok . i reverted to 20 and it seems to work
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[20:49:53] Bogus8: Dagmar: Hey fyi, that memtest took less than an hour to make one pass... I just looked and it's at 77% of pass 3 @ 2 hours and 38 mins
[20:50:04] Bogus8: and the results are PASS
[20:51:00] daviey: davey_, did you get lirc working?
[20:57:28] galorin: grrrr trying to set up NFS on another box to provide storage for my video files and it aint laying ball... gotta try alternatives.
[20:57:47] galorin: ^playing
[20:59:37] moh: what's not working?
[21:00:18] darkdrgn2k: galorin: nfs is easy. if u want u can use cifs
[21:00:22] darkdrgn2k: galorin: aka samba
[21:00:31] galorin: can't tell, I think it's portmap not working.
[21:00:44] darkdrgn2k: ok then just use samba
[21:00:52] daviey: galorin, what distro are you using?
[21:01:01] daviey: nfs IS easy
[21:01:36] galorin: haven't used samba in, like 4 years. NFS is easy, when it WORKS!!!!
[21:02:05] galorin: daviey, Debian Testing
[21:02:37] daviey: did you install nfs & portmap from pacakges
[21:02:39] daviey: ?
[21:02:44] galorin: yep
[21:03:21] daviey: are the folders shared or you can't mount them?
[21:03:53] moh: and are you getting any specific errors from the client?
[21:04:04] moh: what does your exports file contain?
[21:04:46] galorin: not even at the client stage yet. NFS can't connect to portmap.. let me look for the messages entry
[21:05:10] daviey: my etc/exports line is: /mnt/storage/myth 10.0.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw)
[21:05:26] daviey: bbl
[21:05:56] galorin: "Jan 5 16:15:48 localhost kernel: portmap: server localhost not responding, timed out" from /var/log/messages
[21:06:51] galorin: one sec.. I don't think I've GOT localhost defined... no LO
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[21:09:37] hannes_: hello
[21:10:31] hannes_: my remote control is jumping more than one menu entry when button is pressed once. does anyone know where to look for this failure?
[21:11:35] galorin: hannes_, you using lirc?
[21:12:49] hannes_: galorin yes
[21:13:31] galorin: there's a line you can add, that'll adjust the key repeatrate
[21:14:02] quintin: don't care about price
[21:14:09] quintin: quick, what tv card do I want to buy
[21:14:13] quintin: want hardware encoding
[21:14:23] galorin: how many tuners?
[21:14:25] GreyFoxx: PVR 150
[21:14:28] GreyFoxx: or a 500
[21:14:37] quintin: why would I want 2 tuners ?
[21:14:41] quintin: ok, that's what I was thinking
[21:14:59] GreyFoxx: assuming you are recording analog cable or the output of a stb box
[21:15:00] quintin: it's going to be digital cable
[21:15:00] GreyFoxx: quintin: So you can recording 2 things at once ?:P)
[21:15:11] quintin: GreyFoxx: mm.. why would I do that? :P
[21:15:29] galorin: digital cable.. that's a different ballgame. no idea about thst
[21:15:32] GreyFoxx: quintin: It should be self evident why one would do that :)
[21:15:36] quintin: hm
[21:15:51] quintin: can I record one channel, and watch another with one tuner?
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[21:16:38] cureless: quintin: no
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[21:19:28] xris: quintin: if you're recording digital cable, you probably just want to use firewire
[21:21:28] hannes_: ohhh,now i couldn't ask galorin anymore for this line which corrects the adjust the key repeatrate
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[21:25:46] jduggan: hai.. what should i be looking at to stop mythfrontend spreading across a dual monitor setup
[21:27:29] kslater: question for one of you guys with working HD playback – does Myth capture dolby 5.1?
[21:27:54] kslater: I guess it's in the stream, so it grabs it, but does it handle it on playback?
[21:27:55] xris: kslater: HD captures the whole signal. myth doesn't do any processing
[21:29:05] kslater: and another question would be can that audio stream be layed down onto a dvd for example?
[21:29:13] quintin: xris: firewire?!
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[21:33:17] xris: quintin: in the US, cable companies are required to give firewire-enabled boxes to HD customers who request them.
[21:33:44] xris: now, which channels you get on the box will vary by provider/region, but you are required at the very least to get all local HD stations.
[21:35:18] hannes_: has anyone had problems with lirc and key repeatance?
[21:38:17] kslater: xris: I wish the same could be said for Sat providers
[21:39:35] xris: kslater: totally
[21:39:49] xris: hannes_: depends on the remote and config, but it happens
[21:40:07] kslater: I'm tempted to upgrade to HD, but I need to able to record it
[21:40:42] hannes_: xris what can i do? where can i start looking? the remote isn't a very well one, it even conflicts with the tv remote i have, but it works
[21:41:57] xris: hannes_: the problem is that remotes don't just send out a single signal.. they repeat the signal a few times in case it isn't received properly. lirc has to be configured to with a tolerance level, and sometimes it just doesn't work properly no matter what you do.
[21:42:05] xris: kslater: 169time.com  :) and a lot of money.
[21:43:38] hannes_: xris so I could adjust it with the lirc.conf file?
[21:44:11] xris: hannes_: theoretically
[21:53:23] daviey: How can i egt the time via dvb?
[21:53:52] GreyFoxx: use the dvbdate command ?
[21:54:19] daviey: yes!
[21:55:46] daviey: i didn't have the pacakge dvb-utils installed
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[21:58:22] archpollux: hi
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[21:58:42] archpollux: is there a way to stop mythtv from recursively looking for all files when going to Watch Videos?
[21:59:30] GreyFoxx: archpollux: tell it to not browse the filesystem
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[21:59:37] GreyFoxx: normally you have to turn that on
[22:00:01] archpollux: but i want to be able to browse, just one dir at a time
[22:01:09] juski: I wonder how close dvbdate would be to ntpdate
[22:02:11] juski: oh wow... speaking of time.. i've just lost about 3 hours in 3DS
[22:02:46] juski: to heck with this – I know a guy who might be able to help out. he does 3d graphics for tv
[22:03:01] Dibblah: I just spent 2 days rebuilding my backend from a Xen host onto a normal one.
[22:03:12] Dibblah: And it doesn't seem to have helped :(
[22:03:22] juski: ouch
[22:03:35] juski: I was once a bit of a whizz with 3ds.. not anymore
[22:04:02] Dibblah: I once had a working Myth setup :(
[22:04:06] daviey: so "@hourly dvbdate --set" in crontab should sync my clock every hour?
[22:04:18] Bogus8: hello fellas... anyone want to give me suggest on what to try next... I checked the ram, and it's good
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[22:04:58] Dibblah: juski: That's not too hard. povray...
[22:05:10] juski: oh gawd I forgot about that
[22:05:11] archpollux: hmm, what's the point of selecting Watch Videos when browsing is not enabled?
[22:05:29] juski: archpollux: erm.. you've not enabled browsing?
[22:05:52] archpollux: juski: yes, i did... i'm using listing now... i just don't want it to recurse
[22:06:04] juski: it doesn't have to recurse
[22:06:10] juski: check your settings
[22:06:39] archpollux: then why does it take like 1–2 mins to go to Watch Videos?
[22:07:13] juski: works fine for me (tm)
[22:08:41] archpollux: ok, now 10–15 seconds in list mode with no metadata
[22:08:54] archpollux: does it do something extra for gallery mode?
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[22:16:52] The_Ball: does mythgame use xmame or gxmame?
[22:17:30] kormoc: whatever you tell it to use I believe
[22:18:14] The_Ball: oh i see, i'll stick with xmame then
[22:18:48] GreyFoxx: theball: You can make it use any emulator at all
[22:18:58] GreyFoxx: You specify the command when you define the player
[22:19:04] GreyFoxx: there is a page on the wiki for the various ones
[22:19:17] The_Ball: ah, i get it
[22:20:17] GreyFoxx: I wanted it to be as generic as possible for that sort of thing
[22:20:40] The_Ball: thanks, i'm looking forward to trying it
[22:20:46] DVBMark: ok ok, I know this isn't a myth prob, but thought I would ask to see if anyone might know. just installed a new system and trying to get x up and running, but keep getting message in the logs about the kbd and mouse modules not being found. I have looked everywhere and can't seem to find an answer for this, any idears?
[22:21:00] kormoc: DVBMark, give it a keyboard and mouse?
[22:21:08] The_Ball: GreyFoxx, what kind of controllers do you use?
[22:21:20] GreyFoxx: TheBarron: usb gamepad pro's
[22:21:25] DVBMark: kormoc, I have a usb kbd/mouse plugged in? just like I always have before
[22:21:35] The_Ball: GreyFoxx, ok
[22:21:36] DVBMark: not the mce one either, albeit that is plugged in as well
[22:21:36] kormoc: DVBMark, do you have them defined in your xorg.conf?
[22:21:36] GreyFoxx: I am in the market for some wireless controllers, but haven't picked them up yet
[22:21:43] DVBMark: yes by default though
[22:21:58] DVBMark: and looking at previous xorg.conf's I backed up, it is the same
[22:22:01] The_Ball: GreyFoxx, any you know of that should work well with linux?
[22:22:07] kormoc: DVBMark, pastebin your xorg.log
[22:22:21] GreyFoxx: not specifically
[22:22:28] DVBMark: what pastebin you prefer, I heard there was 2 heh
[22:23:00] daviey: Does anybody else get occasioanl glitches in the picture with recorded programmes?
[22:23:05] kormoc: "Results 1 – 25 of about 966,000 for pastebin"
[22:23:14] kormoc: DVBMark, your pick, I don't really care
[22:23:24] DVBMark: k 1 sec
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[22:23:49] daviey: topic does say "use http://pastebin.ca/"
[22:25:06] DVBMark: kormoc: http://pastebin.com/852211
[22:25:15] DVBMark: ohh heh daviey
[22:25:19] DVBMark: just saw you say that was in another window
[22:25:36] daviey: did u?
[22:26:51] DVBMark: http://pastebin.ca/307178
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[22:29:13] [Jasper]: hej guys, I was thinking of upgrading my pvr-500 to a digital card
[22:29:17] [Jasper]: anyone got any suggestions?
[22:29:21] [Jasper]: hdtv ? or?
[22:29:40] sandeen: b jnnnb
[22:30:11] daviey: DVBMark, i didn't expect you to use both ;)
[22:30:26] DVBMark: was just fulfilling the request heh.
[22:30:43] daviey: [Jasper], I'm using Nova and am happy with it. I assume you mean DVB?
[22:33:24] kormoc: DVBMark, (EE) Failed to load module "kbd" (module does not exist, 0)
[22:33:30] kormoc: DVBMark, (EE) Failed to load module "mouse" (module does not exist, 0)
[22:33:36] [Jasper]: daviey is that hdtv ready?
[22:33:39] DVBMark: ya I saw those
[22:33:42] [Jasper]: that';s the nova-t right?
[22:33:45] kormoc: DVBMark, for some reason you don't have those x modules installed, you need them
[22:33:47] DVBMark: any ideas how and why they don't exist
[22:34:01] DVBMark: umm err let me see if they are installable seperately
[22:34:05] juski: depends where you live & how they broadcast HD (if indeed they even do)
[22:34:33] DVBMark: k kormoc see them let me try
[22:34:38] [Jasper]: juski? was that for me?
[22:34:39] DVBMark: never seen it not install them on its own before heh
[22:34:50] daviey: [Jasper], yeah. I bought two for £20 each and came with a remote! This was 1.5 years ago, so maybe they are even cheaper. My kernel recognised them straight away with no additional pacthes required
[22:35:03] [Jasper]: I have the pvr500 now
[22:35:12] [Jasper]: bought it 1 year ago for 150 dollars or something
[22:35:21] DVBMark: kormoc: that worked, again never seen that happen so have no idea why installing xorg didn't do it heh
[22:35:22] juski: [Jasper]: yes it was for you
[22:35:25] daviey: yeah thats got two analog tuners init?
[22:35:26] DVBMark: thanks, didn't know they were seperate
[22:35:27] [Jasper]: but am moving to a new house, where I can get digital television
[22:35:41] [Jasper]: juski can any tvcard capture digital hdtv?
[22:35:42] S2: uhm... does myth work with hybrid analog/digital cards?
[22:35:44] DVBMark: kormoc: any word on if lirc cvs accepted that module?
[22:35:50] daviey: [Jasper], if your US i have no idea what to het
[22:35:54] daviey: het = get
[22:36:09] [Jasper]: netherlands here
[22:36:11] daviey: S2, should do
[22:36:50] juski: S2, no not yet
[22:37:10] S2: because you can just use one of the two tuners at time?
[22:37:12] juski: not fully anyway – you can choose one or the other half to use in mythtv
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[22:37:45] juski: I think there was stuff checked into svn which would allow hybrids to work better but I dont know much about that feature
[22:38:06] xris: archpollux: gallery is like browse but puts cover art on things
[22:38:12] xris: damn, stupir scrollback
[22:38:24] S2: juski: thanks. searching for hybrid on trac brings up some bugs like http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2437
[22:38:33] juski: anyway since analogue will be killed off everywhere before too long, what's the point in hybrid tuners?
[22:38:40] [Jasper]: juski, you don't need a special tv card for hdtv ?
[22:38:50] S2: i have a dvb-s and dvb-t hybrid tuner
[22:38:56] xris: juski: "before too long" is likely to be YEARS in the US
[22:39:02] juski: [Jasper]: depends where you live & what kind of transmission they use
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[22:39:19] daviey: juski, hybrid so you can get both worlds now without having to buy 2 different cards?
[22:39:40] [Jasper]: good question juski :/
[22:39:52] [Jasper]: are there a lot of different types ?
[22:39:53] S2: that ticket makes me think that there is some support for those cards... but i can't find more.
[22:39:55] juski: [Jasper]: chances are a regular dvb-t card will be suitable for you but do some research on google etc, and maybe your local dvb pages
[22:40:08] juski: daviey: pfft
[22:40:13] [Jasper]: k
[22:40:29] [Jasper]: oh btw juski I talked with you about your cat5-svideo about 1,5 years ago
[22:40:33] [Jasper]: I don't know if you remember
[22:40:54] juski: some pci dvb-t cards don't have enough bandwidth to support HDTV streams, so YMMV
[22:40:56] [Jasper]: but I was looking into making some kind of losless dvi extender......did you ever do any research on that?
[22:41:00] juski: yeah I remember
[22:41:09] juski: no I got distracted with plenty of other stuff
[22:41:17] juski: exhibitions, themes... the usual
[22:41:21] [Jasper]: ah
[22:41:34] [Jasper]: I have been looking into dvi – fiber glass – dvi
[22:41:40] [Jasper]: to get hdtv to my television
[22:41:53] [Jasper]: but the commercial products are quite expensive (ranging from 500 to 600 dollars)
[22:41:56] juski: you can make dvi go as far as 15 metres without an extender
[22:42:07] juski: even longer with an amplifier
[22:42:09] [Jasper]: yeah but I'll need it over 30 meters
[22:42:25] [Jasper]: and preferably to 2 tv's
[22:42:47] juski: be cheaper to build 2 frontend machines
[22:44:09] daviey: I just made an S-Video extension cable over 15 meters using cat5 and there was a lbar across the middles of the screen of distortion
[22:44:49] juski: daviey: my svid to cat5 was _active_ and has no distortion. tested it to over 300m
[22:45:22] daviey: hmm.... maybe bad soldering... or bad device. It was a cheap-o cctv camera
[22:45:55] juski: maybe you weren't driving it right.. i.e. no active circuits to send & receive it ;)
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[22:46:13] DVBMark: Anyone know if it will hurt anything to enable the Delete Files Slowly option even if you mostly have XFS/JFS for your recording drives? Just curious for shares that you want to record to that might be EXT3 or something else.
[22:46:15] ** daviey is confused **
[22:46:31] juski: daviey: cat5 uses twisted pair cables, right?
[22:46:33] [Jasper]: hmmm, I'm guessing the dvi signal is quality wise a lot better then s-video
[22:46:43] daviey: juski, yes, i used a pair
[22:46:52] daviey: [Jasper], yes
[22:47:02] juski: daviey: my circuit (at one end) drives the signal one way up one side of the pair, and an inverted signal up the other half of the pair
[22:47:30] juski: the receiving end takes the difference between the two wires, so that any noise induced into both sides is cancelled out ;)
[22:47:48] kavorka^: i have a dvb-t card...im wondering how come recently when im recording certain programs i have to change the audio track from 2 to 1, but with other recordings its fine by default
[22:48:14] juski: daviey: http://www.edn.com/archives/1995/081795/graphs/17di3fg1.htm
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[22:50:04] daviey: how could i possibly have guessed that was your site?
[22:50:15] juski: er... no idea :-P
[22:51:20] daviey: juski, thought you'd like to know the link to 'forums' doesn't work
[22:51:29] daviey: needs to bump off the s
[22:51:31] juski: whoops
[22:51:38] juski: I was drunk
[22:52:28] daviey: haha
[22:52:57] daviey: OSD's and RadioTimes XMLTV just don't fit well together do they? Eadio times puts too much info
[22:53:43] juski: haha
[22:53:48] juski: you could say that
[22:54:10] juski: I say "don't gimme the life story of the director, just tell me what the film is about"
[22:55:24] Paladine: hmmm my cron.daily script for mfdb is crashing crontab and not updating the database, anyone mind having a look at it and telling me what I have done wrong?
[22:55:30] daviey: Is blootube-osd checked into svn?
[22:55:36] juski: nope
[22:55:36] xris: no
[22:55:39] juski: none of it is
[22:55:48] xris: Paladine: why are you using a cron script?
[22:56:05] juski: ubuntu, that's why
[22:56:23] Paladine: xris, because it seemed like a sensible way to do it
[22:56:25] daviey: xris, I am using cron.daily for mythfilldatabase, whats wrong with that?
[22:56:51] xris: Paladine: more sensible would be letting the backend do it so it can honor stuff like zap2it's "preferred time" request.
[22:56:58] xris: but also to just have the backend do it.
[22:57:13] Paladine: I don't have zap2it
[22:57:20] juski: hrm I used to have photos of my cat5 sender thing somewhere
[22:57:41] daviey: xris, oh, i'm using radio times who don't have preferred time, so i don't suppose it makes much difference
[22:58:07] daviey: juski, whats wrong with ubuntu and your osd?
[22:58:12] xris: well, just seems more sensible to let the backend do it.
[22:58:24] xris: but yeah, for xmltv stuff, cron is fine
[22:58:25] juski: daviey: nothing, I was talking about Paladine & his cron thing
[22:58:52] daviey: xris, you are right – but the trouble is, it works now and i don't want to naff it up. I suppose i could fix it, someday
[22:59:00] juski: I currently use umbongo on my myth systems, maybe not for much longer though
[22:59:01] Paladine: http://pastebin.ca/307218
[22:59:06] Paladine: thats my cron script
[22:59:26] juski: Paladine: maybe no .xmltv file in the home dir of the user the cron job runs as...
[22:59:53] Paladine: the Sky.xmltv is readable to all
[23:00:07] juski: Paladine: yeah but is it in the right place?
[23:00:21] S2: juski: cool! i am downloading your skin blootube. want to try it out :) looks nice from the screenshots
[23:00:28] juski: if the cron runs as root it'll need to be in /root/.mythtv/
[23:00:40] juski: S2: it is not a fucking SKIN, if you please
[23:00:43] Paladine: juski, the script links explicitly to the file
[23:00:46] daviey: Paladine, what happens if you use: su mythtv -c "mythfilldatabase --quiet" that way it is running as myth
[23:01:03] xris: daviey: yes, but Paladine's is crashing.
[23:01:11] Paladine: no it isn't crashing
[23:01:19] Paladine: it is crashing crontab and not filling the database
[23:01:21] xris: S2: some people are pushing for it to be the new mythtv default theme
[23:01:24] Paladine: but the script actually runs
[23:01:26] S2: juski: a gui theme then :)
[23:01:43] xris: Paladine: I hope it's not crashing crontab.. crond, maybe.
[23:01:51] daviey: juski, can i ask why you didn't want to check it into svn?
[23:02:04] Paladine: well I only have limited output from syslog saying it has retsarted cron.d
[23:02:06] S2: xris: cool.
[23:02:13] Paladine: crond
[23:02:14] Paladine: whatever
[23:02:29] Paladine: it isnt working for some reason and I suspect the problem is my cron script as opposed to the files it uses
[23:02:34] daviey: Paladine, what happens if you run that cron.daily as a script from the shell?
[23:03:20] Paladine: daviey, I ran it just after I wrote it and it seemed to go through fine but it didn't update thedatabase
[23:03:32] juski: daviey: does it really make all that much difference?
[23:03:54] Paladine: under system status in mythfe it shows the time I last ran the script and says "mythfilldatabase ran, but di...."
[23:04:00] Paladine: which I assume is did not update the database
[23:04:16] Paladine: but as usual the silly font is too big for me to read the message
[23:04:21] daviey: juski, just wondered why you didn't want it in there
[23:04:26] Paladine: these fonts really need sorting out in mythfrontend
[23:04:30] xris: daviey: he doesn't have commit access
[23:04:36] juski: daviey: didn't say I didn't want it in svn
[23:04:51] ** daviey wishes he never bothered asking **
[23:05:05] juski: it's easy enough to find, anyway
[23:05:17] juski: and no doubt it'll appear in rpms & whatever before long
[23:05:47] xris: daviey: some reorganizing in svn with all of the themes, and possibly how the themes work, needs to be done before it will really make a difference.
[23:05:49] daviey: Paladine, your using the uk_rt grabber seperate to mythfilldatabase. why not use them together?
[23:06:39] Paladine: because it took me ages to setup my channels and when I ran mythfilldatabase with uk_rt it seemed to knacker up the scheduling for all my non xmltv channels
[23:06:48] Paladine: hense why I am trying it the non automatic way
[23:07:40] Paladine: can you use the --only-update-channels arg from the mythfrontend setup for mythfilldb?
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[23:10:50] Paladine: k I removed the cron.daily and set it up in mythfrontend, will try it tonight and see how it goes
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[23:11:54] daviey: Paladine, isn't only update channels automatic? Ie it doesn't make db changes unless it's different
[23:12:50] Paladine: dunno, I just saw it in the wiki and it madesense to use that one
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[23:13:03] Paladine: I don't recall seeing that it was the default setting
[23:13:50] juski: pics of the cat5 sender thingy www.juski.co.uk/images/
[23:13:51] daviey: i dunno tbh
[23:14:04] daviey: juski, have you got mythtv working on the T-Online T-Vision S100
[23:14:20] Paladine: juski, whats that do?
[23:14:27] juski: I had mythtv 0.19 worky ages ago
[23:14:32] juski: got bored with it fast
[23:14:32] S2: can someone tell me what the parentid field in the capturecard table is for?
[23:14:35] juski: was too easy :)
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[23:14:58] laga: heh
[23:15:18] daviey: juski, don't you use it as a frontend?
[23:15:34] juski: Paladine: the cat5 thingy sends svideo & stereo audio up a cat5 cable & the rx box turns it back into svideo & audio :)
[23:15:44] Paladine: juski, you sending tv data over ethernet?
[23:15:48] juski: daviey: no. no dvd drive without some SERIOUS case modding
[23:15:52] juski: Paladine: nope
[23:15:55] laga: juski doesn't use frontends. he just watches mythtv compile.
[23:16:17] juski: .. and hangs out in here & pisses off his wife
[23:16:44] juski: but hey.. if it's 'soapstar superstar' or #mythtv-users I know which I'd pick every time
[23:16:49] Paladine: juski, I love my lil balck box :)
[23:16:55] Paladine: lil black box
[23:17:26] juski: I need to modify the TV & the NTL STB to no longer receive ITV
[23:17:38] daviey: juski, the power of the machine was enough to run as frontend? It seems similar spec to an XBox and people wre whining about that being slow
[23:17:41] juski: or get divorced, one or the other
[23:17:45] juski: daviey: yeah
[23:17:52] juski: but the xbox only has 32mb ram
[23:18:07] Paladine: so does the mythfilldatabase settings in mythfrontend>setup>genera ignore the scheduled time you set it for, or does it just automatically run if it notices that it hasn't been run at the correct time that day
[23:18:08] juski: 64MB minus 32MB video RAM
[23:18:15] Paladine: cos I set mine for 2am and it is running now
[23:18:27] Paladine: and it is 11:19pm
[23:18:57] juski: is there a way to kill people who send /msgs without permission?
[23:19:06] daviey: i think it runs as soon as you set it up. not certain tho
[23:19:08] cureless: Paladine: there's a setting for it to run when it is suggested to by zap2it (others too?)
[23:19:32] juski: if anyone finds anything wrong with any of my themes, theres an email address in README.txt
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[23:19:41] juski: no email, no fixy fixy
[23:19:52] Paladine: juski, do your themes work on non full screen setups
[23:20:02] juski: non-full screen.. what?
[23:20:03] S2: juski: did'nt want to bother you :)
[23:20:08] Paladine: I have yet to find a theme where fonts scale correctly when not running mythfrontend in full screen mode
[23:20:15] S2: juski: it's ok. i don't mind having no picture there :)
[23:20:26] uther_p: are some of mythbrowser's keybindings static, because they don't seem to exist in the keybindings table in the database (e.g. 'I' for popping up the url dialog)
[23:20:32] juski: S2: I don't support the 'classic' theme view anyway
[23:20:37] Paladine: I run mythfrontend at 720x576 and all the fonts are huge
[23:20:58] juski: Paladine: my 4:3 theme shots were taken from 800x600
[23:21:09] juski: the wide screenshots from 1000x548
[23:21:16] DVBMark: by the way juski, those are some nice themes
[23:21:19] DVBMark: glad I saw that link
[23:21:24] DVBMark: getting tired of the defaults heh
[23:21:24] Paladine: juski but was that 800x600 full screen or 800x600 "window" on the desktop?
[23:21:30] juski: Paladine: window
[23:21:40] juski: hey maybe I have the right font installed
[23:21:52] Paladine: where's your screenshot
[23:22:00] juski: oh for fucks sakes
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[23:22:25] uther_p: anyone know the names of the keybindings for I in the browser, or where I can find it... the documentation on this thing is near impossible to find
[23:22:43] Paladine: hehe I only asked where his screenshot was lol
[23:22:58] uther_p: all I found was one page that said "you can change these bindings in mythweb", which wasn't true, because they aren't there
[23:23:01] laga: Paladine: don
[23:23:18] laga: 't worry, he's like that. he tends to have.. overflows ;)
[23:23:48] laga: uther_p: did you look in /usr/share/doc/?
[23:23:49] DVBMark: Any other hidden websites out there with plugins and themes heh?
[23:23:57] Paladine: whenever I take a screenshot in gnome it never captures the monitor running mythfrontend for some reason, not just the mythfrontend but all the other windows on that monitor
[23:24:20] laga: Paladine: when you're watching something?
[23:24:28] Paladine: so I can't do a screenshot of mythfrontend to show what I mean about the font problems
[23:24:36] uther_p: laga: I've looked everywhere, the only info I need is what I cannot find... apparently you can change the bindings for mythbrowser, but they must default to something if it doesn't exist in the database, which is doesn't
[23:24:42] Paladine: even when I am just in the mfe menus
[23:24:56] uther_p: if I could only find the names for the 'value' field, then I'd add them myself
[23:25:19] Paladine: it just completely ignores that monitor in the screenshot
[23:25:36] Paladine: it captures the shot at 2560x1024 but the second half of the image is completely blank
[23:26:29] kavorka^: join #kde
[23:26:37] kavorka^: woops :)
[23:27:09] uther_p: in /usr/share/doc/mythbrowser/README is says "Default key bindings (use MythWeb to change them):" but I've been in mythweb, aswell as in the db direct, there are no entries for the bindings I need to change
[23:27:22] uther_p: and it doesn't tell me what the "action" or 'value' field should be for these actions
[23:29:40] uther_p: I wouldn't have thought this to be a hard question, or hard information to find
[23:29:45] daviey: juski, wow i love blootube, but boy is it slow getting started!!!
[23:30:02] laga: daviey: he's gone :)
[23:30:06] daviey: soh
[23:30:15] daviey: doh
[23:31:01] tafryn: Is there a current doc on installing mythtv in debian?
[23:31:45] daviey: dunno, there are loads on using ubuntu tho.
[23:31:51] daviey: ;)
[23:31:52] defend: tafryn apt-get mythtv
[23:31:53] S2: uther_p: what action?
[23:32:17] S2: tafryn: i am using ubuntu without window manager
[23:32:26] Paladine: I am on ubuntu but I would recommend against usingthe repos unless you have installed and configured mysql -first-
[23:32:30] S2: tafryn: there is a howto for ubuntu
[23:32:35] tafryn: Ok, to be more specific I've got a 150 and currently do not have a /dev/video
[23:32:40] Paladine: as the apt-get install cocks up at the mysql part of the setup
[23:33:00] tafryn: that's what I'm trying to fix
[23:33:05] Paladine: tafryn, you need to install ivtv first
[23:33:08] moh: tafryn: you need to go look for advice on how to setup the ivtv drver
[23:33:10] defend: FN~tafryn, did you install ivtv
[23:33:11] S2: Paladine: really? it didn't for me...
[23:33:19] S2: Paladine: just the password was wrong.
[23:33:28] tafryn: so... ivtv then
[23:33:29] uther_p: S2: I'm looking for the action label for the mythbrowser keybinding for popping up the url dialog box
[23:33:31] defend: FN~tafryn, do dmesg | grep tun
[23:33:37] Paladine: taf, you running edgy?
[23:34:07] tafryn: it goes by etch actually
[23:34:14] tafryn: it isn't ubuntu, it's debian
[23:34:17] Paladine: if you are running edgy use the ivtv howto, the package for ivtv in edgy is very good and sets everything up for you
[23:34:38] laga: tafryn: you can mythtv debs from www.debian-multimedia.org
[23:34:40] Paladine: ah not sure if they have ivtv in the etch repos
[23:34:49] cureless: tafryn: there is a debian install doc on the myth site, probably on the wiki
[23:34:58] tafryn: Paladine: they do not
[23:35:00] cureless: tafryn: you can get most packages from debian-multimedia.org
[23:35:11] Paladine: but I will say one thing, the ivtv guys have done a great jb with the edgy package
[23:35:14] cureless: tafryn: ivtv is in the etch repo
[23:35:17] Paladine: makes ivtv installation a breeze now
[23:35:40] tafryn: cureless: really? apt-cache search ivtv only came up with a perl extension
[23:35:41] defend: my hd sux
[23:35:43] defend: lol
[23:35:49] defend: i am going to kill this thing
[23:35:50] defend: hehe
[23:35:56] S2: uther_p: what key is that now? i can look it up in the source for you if you want
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[23:36:11] cureless: tafryn: do you have contrib and non-free sources?
[23:36:20] tafryn: indeed I do not
[23:36:25] cureless: tafryn: it's in contrib
[23:36:25] uther_p: when you're in mythbrowser, and you push 'i', it brings up the url dialog... I wanna change it, but I cannot find it :/
[23:36:34] tafryn: been a while since I've worked with debian...
[23:36:54] S2: daviey: it's slow only the first time scaling the images, but then it's like the default one :)
[23:37:05] uther_p: I grepped the source code for some of the other keybinding tags for mythbrowser, and most of them aren't even in the source I have (which I downloaded last night)
[23:37:14] cureless: tafryn: I don't have the links right here but if you google you'll find the installing myth on debian pages.
[23:37:43] daviey: S2, so it is. It does take slightly longer on my machine. But the initial change pratically killed my pretty well spec'd machine!
[23:38:19] S2: daviey: yeah, mine too :)
[23:38:20] daviey: i am running 1360 x 768 tho
[23:38:36] dpirotte: Hi all. Is there a way to dump teletext/CC to a file from mythtv?
[23:38:55] S2: me at 1280x768
[23:39:36] tafryn: cureless: is it the xserever-xorg-video-ivtv package that I need?
[23:39:59] cureless: tafryn: no, that's for x output (i.e. pvr 350)
[23:40:24] cureless: tafryn: you need the ivtv-sources package (and utils) and then to compile the module, see docs in /usr/share/docs/ivtv-source
[23:40:28] uther_p: maybe I don't have *all* the source, but its the only link I found... but I don't even have any source files with browser in the name
[23:40:34] daviey: S2, actually i use that one aswell. the higer one is the tv's native resolution but yours looks better as a desktop
[23:40:45] daviey: S2, what font are you using with it?
[23:41:22] S2: uther_p: oh. sorry i don't have the sources of the plugins here. but you can look that up yourself at svn.mythtv.org
[23:41:46] S2: daviey: dunnow. how do i chack that?
[23:42:00] S2: chack = check
[23:42:10] daviey: hmm settings -> appearance
[23:42:15] daviey: i think
[23:42:22] S2: k wait..
[23:43:18] defend: anyone do hd ?
[23:43:32] tafryn: cureless: all that's in that dir is a changelog...
[23:43:35] Paladine: I tried but I couldn't get it up my nose
[23:43:48] defend: lol
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[23:44:18] jduggan: lmfao
[23:44:34] S2: daviey: monospace
[23:44:46] cureless: tafryn: in that case, make the bin package "m-a a-i ivtv"
[23:44:50] daviey: me to, just wondered. cheers
[23:46:29] uther_p: well, according the the setupKeys function in 'http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . r/main.cpp', there is no keybinding for those settings, they must be static (or bound in some other plugin)
[23:47:08] defend: probly ketedit
[23:47:14] defend: keyedit*
[23:47:59] uther_p: keyedit?
[23:48:11] defend: ya its a plugin
[23:48:24] defend: i noticed it yesterday
[23:48:26] defend: lol
[23:49:22] uther_p: I don't see it in trunk/mythplugins
[23:49:50] daviey: can anybody give me an sql command to change all fields icon in table channel from /usr/share/mythtv/icons/tv/xxx.png to /myth/icons/xxx.jpg
[23:50:48] defend: maybe mythcontrols
[23:51:13] defend: it apeared in my settings after i upgraded yesterday
[23:51:55] jduggan: daviey: cant just symlink?
[23:52:18] daviey: hmm could do
[23:52:26] daviey: but then there is the png to jpg
[23:54:39] S2: update channel set icon=concat(left(icon, length(icon) – 3), 'jpg');
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[23:55:45] crudpuppy: what do you guys use mythphone with
[23:57:18] S2: daviey: did it work?
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[23:57:40] daviey: oh hang on
[23:57:55] daviey: i missed that, lets give it a try

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