Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, January 2nd, 2007, 00:00 UTC

[00:00:34]

defend:

:o

[00:00:38]

nvzn:

anyone know why my mythtv-setup buttons are off the screen?

[00:00:48]

xris:

nvzn: bad theme?

[00:00:55]

nvzn:

hmm

[00:00:56]

defend:

do i need a specific on?

[00:01:00]

nvzn:

theres themes?

[00:01:07]

sigger_ (sigger_!n=Sigger@ool-44c0a897.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:02:09]

orrion:

nvzn: almost sounds like overscan, but i don't know much about it

[00:02:59]

xris:

defend: harmony can mimic any remote

[00:03:05]

xris:

even an IR keyboard

[00:03:23]

defend:

lol

[00:03:26]

defend:

thats amazing

[00:03:46]

defend:

can it start a car ;p

[00:04:36]

jojo1212:

is there is total noob guide to mythtv setup, for someone who hasnt played with linux at all.

[00:05:12]

orrion:

ubuntu is very well documented

[00:05:30]

nvzn:

jojo1212: try knoppmyth perhaps

[00:05:54]

jojo1212:

yes but only 2 versions knopp and dora are ones that get more attention

[00:06:35]

defend:

i would say ubuntu or kunbunto if u have a kb and mouse

[00:06:45]

jojo1212:

ok

[00:06:50]

defend:

aptitude i believe will do alot for you

[00:06:50]

xris:

defend: just means that you need to pick a remote to borrow the codes from, and use the receiver from that remote, or a generic homemade type one that can receive any signal

[00:07:04]

xris:

jojo1212: if you're new and just want to play with mythtv, knopmyth is probably going to be the easiest.

[00:07:21]

xris:

ubuntu can be a bit of a pain for newbies depending on what kind of tuner and video card you have.

[00:07:48]

defend:

i dont like knopp cause later on it install wierd crap all over the place so if you want to go to strictly debian it is harder

[00:07:59]

orrion:

ubuntu 6.10 worked out a lot of the headaches with ivtv and lirc

[00:08:05]

cesman:

what wierd crap?

[00:08:10]

defend:

i am still trying to find where the heck it is setting my dam clock

[00:08:17]

jojo1212:

yes i tried 2 cards both crapped out on scanning channels (iused knoppmyth)

[00:08:30]

defend:

what cards?

[00:08:37]

jojo1212:

kworld astc 110

[00:08:53]

jojo1212:

and happauge usbtv

[00:09:07]

xris:

defend: if you want to go strictly debian, you shouldn't use knopmyth in the first place.

[00:09:10]

defend:

you might need newer kenrel/ivtv

[00:09:12]

cesman:

defend: what wierd crap?

[00:09:16]

xris:

orrion: ah, that's good

[00:09:40]

xris:

defend: but if you have knop issues, talk to cesman and he'll probably fix them

[00:09:45]

defend:

xris well i went the road cause i was just playing then i decided i would make it into backend and wanted to goto sid

[00:09:51]

jojo1212:

turning my old laptop would have been sweet as it can save power (being on all the time)

[00:10:09]

jojo1212:

but i dont think there are any pcmcia cards supported

[00:10:43]

defend:

cesman like it setting my clock to utc time and making my dhclient drop the leasse cause of it , loading all the modules , there are others but those are to 2 i can think of

[00:11:17]

defend:

its not so much a knopp issue as just they load stuff diffrently then most

[00:11:26]

defend:

and i have yet to find where it is all done

[00:11:28]

jduggan_:

anyone ever looked into makin a remote out of a pda?

[00:11:51]

defend:

lol a bluetuth pda remote that would be awsome

[00:11:52]

defend:

lol

[00:11:59]

tafryn:

So of these two which one has the better remote?

[00:12:00]

cesman:

so, 2 examples that that is loading wierd crap all over the place?

[00:12:02]

tafryn:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16815116625

[00:12:04]

tafryn:

and

[00:12:04]

xris:

jduggan_: at least one person has written a pda app to use the telnet interface to control a frontend.

[00:12:14]

tafryn:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16815116631

[00:12:33]

jduggan_:

xris: aah cool, thats what i was thinkin off, custom interface/buttons, would be sweet

[00:12:39]

jduggan_:

s/off/of/

[00:12:50]

xris:

tafryn: 631

[00:12:53]

defend:

cess it is loading my ivtv and all other mods twice once i am sure is from knopp and once from my guess sid/udev?

[00:13:17]

tafryn:

ok thanks xris

[00:13:22]

xris:

tafryn: although that's the old mceusb remote, not the mceusb2 which is nicer (and you can get separately)

[00:13:23]

defend:

i just swaped yesterday so i havent looked to much into it

[00:13:27]

xris:

not sure what the price is, though

[00:13:29]

orrion:

jojo1212: are you thinking of a fresh start at mythtv?

[00:14:00]

jared555 (jared555!n=jared555@dialup-4.252.193.212.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:14:07]

xris:

tafryn: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16880100851

[00:14:21]

cesman:

I've never seen it load modules twice

[00:14:44]

defend:

i will let you know once i look more into it

[00:14:56]

defend:

probly like hotplug and something else silly

[00:15:18]

tafryn:

what does the new one do that the old one doesn't?

[00:15:19]

cesman:

now it releases prior E50, we did force loading of some dvb modules so the end user won't have to worry about it

[00:15:58]

defend:

i think i did the install rd5 or something like that

[00:16:32]

xris:

tafryn: not sure, actually: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote

[00:16:39]

defend:

its not to bad since in the end it all works

[00:16:53]

defend:

only thing that is irrating is the dhcp issue

[00:17:08]

defend:

which is on my list next to look into

[00:17:11]

cesman:

I've personally never seen that issue

[00:17:29]

cesman:

while my production systems use static, my test box is dhcp

[00:17:38]

xris:

tafryn: actually looks like a slightly different remote than the mce one, so I take back what I said. though the one I recommended *is* a better remote.

[00:18:13]

defend:

it runs dhcp then a little while letter it sets the utc or something and does a ntpupdate

[00:18:31]

defend:

and losses its ip assignment

[00:18:37]

tafryn:

better because it's newer, or better because it has more/different features?

[00:18:50]

xris:

ok, more goodness in svn mythweb...

[00:19:14]

xris:

tafryn: both

[00:22:44]

cesman:

defend: the hardware clock is set to utc, but did you set your timezone?

[00:25:32]

Bombo_ (Bombo_!n=bombo@dslb-084-060-201-002.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:28:04]

stickyicky (stickyicky!n=acm@c-67-190-74-12.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has quit ("http://www.superdisco.net/")

[00:28:37]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@127.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[00:28:52]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@135.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:34:31]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@pool-71-164-10-252.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:34:31]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v kormoc

[00:34:53]

Bombo (Bombo!n=bombo@dslb-084-060-221-097.pools.arcor-ip.net) has quit (Connection timed out)

[00:34:53]

Bombo_ is now known as Bombo

[00:48:16]

jojo1212 (jojo1212!n=bubbagum@c-68-61-209-233.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has quit ()

[00:49:47]

robbins876 (robbins876!n=robbins8@209.159.197.59) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[00:49:47]

Cardoe (Cardoe!n=Cardoe@gentoo/developer/Cardoe) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[00:49:47]

magicrobotmonkey (magicrobotmonkey!n=marvin@c-66-31-1-25.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[00:49:47]

jrr (jrr!i=jrr@kearny.dreamhost.com) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[00:49:47]

bio___ (bio___!i=bio@amd.co.at) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[00:49:47]

null__ (null__!n=null@kladde.org) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[00:49:47]

cornell (cornell!n=cornell@c-69-139-78-205.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[00:49:47]

Bernardo|away (Bernardo|away!n=Bernardo@sourcemage/Bernardo) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[00:49:47]

festr (festr!n=festr@ns.regnet.cz) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[00:49:47]

flatronf701B (flatronf701B!n=flatronf@202.75.186.154) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[00:49:47]

zambba (zambba!n=jokunen@xdsl-178-193.nblnetworks.fi) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[00:49:47]

GiantPickle (GiantPickle!n=GiantPic@S0106006008bd147d.gv.shawcable.net) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[00:49:47]

roger55 (roger55!n=roger55@gentoo/developer/roger55) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[00:49:47]

human39 (human39!n=smk@smk-dsl.fyi.net) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[00:49:47]

jams (jams!n=jams@CPE-72-131-6-174.wi.res.rr.com) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[00:49:47]

Zambezi (Zambezi!i=Hideit@dns-cache2.tixit.se) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[00:49:47]

null (null!n=null@kladde.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:49:48]

festr (festr!n=festr@ns.regnet.cz) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:49:48]

roger55 (roger55!n=roger55@smtp.gentoo.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:49:50]

GiantPickle (GiantPickle!n=GiantPic@S0106006008bd147d.gv.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:49:51]

zambba (zambba!n=jokunen@xdsl-178-193.nblnetworks.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:49:51]

robbins876 (robbins876!n=robbins8@209.159.197.59) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:49:52]

bio___ (bio___!i=bio@amd.co.at) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:49:58]

human39 (human39!n=smk@smk-dsl.fyi.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:49:59]

Bernardo|away (Bernardo|away!n=Bernardo@10001296612.0000006537.acesso.oni.pt) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:50:00]

jams (jams!n=jams@CPE-72-131-6-174.wi.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:50:01]

jrr (jrr!i=jrr@208.113.148.15) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:50:11]

Cardoe (Cardoe!n=Cardoe@adsl-214-112-116.gnv.bellsouth.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:50:14]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v jams

[00:50:59]

Zambezi (Zambezi!i=Hideit@dns-cache2.tixit.se) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:55:14]

Max0 (Max0!n=M@host86-128-47-200.range86-128.btcentralplus.com) has quit ()

[01:00:03]

AngryParsley (AngryParsley!n=AngryPar@c-67-185-69-158.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[01:00:05]

AngryParsley_ (AngryParsley_!n=AngryPar@c-67-185-69-158.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:01:27]

AngryParsley_ is now known as AngryParsley

[01:06:42]

robthebob (robthebob!n=rn114@82-46-18-118.cable.ubr02.bath.blueyonder.co.uk) has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer))

[01:08:24]

caitlin (caitlin!n=caitlin@dsl-217-155-65-118.zen.co.uk) has quit ("Ex-Chat")

[01:09:48]

s34n (s34n!n=chatzill@ip-206-159-190-125.mvdsl.com) has quit ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/0000000000]")

[01:12:08]

lophyte (lophyte!n=dsulliva@ubuntu/member/lophyte) has quit ("Leaving.")

[01:15:17]

cesman:

xris: still around?

[01:15:35]

Paladine:

yay finally figured out the script to fill my channel database and build my xmltv config file

[01:16:29]

cptpotato (cptpotato!n=cptpotat@ool-44c1aa35.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:16:45]

cptpotato:

hi i installed mythdvd in ubuntu and its not working

[01:17:01]

cptpotato:

any ideas?

[01:17:39]

cesman:

hello cptpotato

[01:17:55]

cesman:

plenty of ideas

[01:18:05]

cesman:

however it would help if you gave details

[01:18:07]

AngryParsley (AngryParsley!n=AngryPar@c-67-185-69-158.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has quit ("Computer sleepy.")

[01:18:17]

cesman:

what doesn't work exactly?

[01:18:51]

cptpotato:

i think i may need codecs?

[01:19:24]

cptpotato:

i exited out mythfrontend and did mplayer dvd://1 and nothing

[01:19:58]

cesman:

depending on how it is configured, mythtv may not use mplayer

[01:20:29]

cesman:

and unless you've installed the library needed, you won't be able to play most ocmmerical dvds

[01:20:43]

cptpotato:

ya i think its a library issue. but which one?

[01:21:21]

cptpotato:

libdvdnav4? libdvdplay0?

[01:21:47]

cesman:

http://www.debianadmin.com/playing-encrypted-dvds-in-ubuntu.html

[01:23:24]

Paladine:

would someone mind checking this and telling me if it looks ok, before I run it and break my database ;)

[01:23:25]

Paladine:

http://pastebin.ca/300114

[01:24:44]

cptpotato:

cesman: thanks, i appreciate it

[01:25:43]

cesman:

you're welcome

[01:26:30]

psofa (psofa!n=psofa@ppp79-189.adsl.forthnet.gr) has quit ("Leaving")

[01:33:19]

kgbudz:

damn, it took me like 2.5 hours to write my console remote control program

[01:33:30]

kgbudz:

for mythfrontend

[01:34:06]

kgbudz:

works pretty good

[01:34:13]

kgbudz:

http://www.rezsoft.org/remote/

[01:35:46]

GreyFoxx:

errr .exe ?:)

[01:36:04]

kgbudz:

ya

[01:36:07]

kgbudz:

i need to run it on windows

[01:36:22]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

[01:36:27]

kgbudz:

i have a windows machine on my coffee table

[01:36:32]

kgbudz:

which is in front of the tv

[01:36:52]

kgbudz:

i dont have a remote control for myth

[01:38:30]

kgbudz:

i would like to have done it in bash

[01:38:34]

kgbudz:

but i dunno if i could

[01:39:11]

GreyFoxx:

I whipped off one in php a while back for a webcontrol cause I was bored and couldn't find my remote heh

[01:39:35]

kgbudz:

i saw a few of them

[01:39:41]

kgbudz:

but they were mouse driven

[01:39:49]

GreyFoxx:

Most are yeah

[01:45:33]

b^j (b^j!n=bj@c-75-73-5-122.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:47:00]

crweb (crweb!n=tom@12.206.114.162) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:47:19]

crweb:

how do i get transcoding to produce avi's and not nuv ?

[01:47:42]

b^j:

i am trying to set up a mythfrontend on a different host from my backend. I have mysql setup to allow remote connections but when i try to watch tv it tells me it can't access the backend server, any ideas?

[01:49:06]

kgbudz:

well, your remote frontend needs to connect to the backend and sql

[01:49:12]

kgbudz:

looks like it cant connect to the backend

[01:49:27]

Inssomniak:

I see most of the OSD themes dont allow channel numbers greater than 3 long to display correctly, is there any neat fix for this?

[01:49:27]

kgbudz:

did you put the correct port and address for the backend on the frontend?

[01:49:47]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[01:49:48]

b^j:

where do i specify the port, i see the address section

[01:49:50]

GreyFoxx:

Inssomniak: Edit the theme ?

[01:50:11]

kgbudz:

your backend is configured in mythtvsetup

[01:50:18]

kgbudz:

your frontend is configured in mythfrontend

[01:50:23]

Inssomniak:

While I may be a genius editing code isnt my expertise

[01:50:32]

Inssomniak:

:)

[01:50:36]

GreyFoxx:

Inssomniak: IT's not code

[01:50:39]

GreyFoxx:

IT's a text file

[01:50:48]

GreyFoxx:

it defined the font, size, location, etc

[01:51:19]

Inssomniak:

the .xml file?

[01:51:23]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[01:51:35]

cptpotato (cptpotato!n=cptpotat@ool-44c1aa35.dyn.optonline.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[01:53:08]

Inssomniak:

hmm check it out

[01:53:41]

Inssomniak:

although still mildly confuzed, as to which thing does what, some experimentation could yield some results

[01:55:50]

Inssomniak:

is there any uhm, docs on how the osd theme xmls work?

[01:59:59]

b^j:

hmm, i see where to set the db address but not the master backend address, what am i missing

[02:01:52]

GreyFoxx:

Inssomniak: Not sure, I think I saw a guide once but no idea if it is up to date

[02:16:48]

kormoc:

always check the wiki

[02:17:01]

red_fox:

I'm having trouble compiling mythvideo... is there a specific version of QT I need?

[02:17:07]

red_fox:

I'm at 4.1.4

[02:17:24]

kormoc:

red_fox, myth only supports qt 3.x

[02:17:57]

red_fox:

hrm kk I'll look into it kormoc

[02:18:00]

red_fox:

thanks

[02:19:02]

red_fox:

it looks like 4.1.4 is marked stable in gentoo, I must have upgraded the other day

[02:21:23]

kormoc:

erm

[02:21:32]

kormoc:

the mythtv ebuilds pull down qt 3.x

[02:21:38]

kormoc:

automatically

[02:21:51]

kormoc:

so you should have both a qt 4.x and a qt 3.x installer

[02:21:54]

kormoc:

*installed

[02:21:59]

red_fox:

yeah I think both are installed

[02:22:07]

red_fox:

I'm re-emerging 3.x now

[02:22:15]

red_fox:

see if that changes anything

[02:22:57]

kormoc:

you shouldn't need to, the most you should ever need to do is to run revdep-rebuild from time to time which checks and will reemerge any broken packages

[02:24:11]

red_fox:

yeah I think I revdepped recently, but I can't remember for sure... it's been a while since myth was working well on this box

[02:29:23]

Inssomniak:

after some time of watching TV, hitting escape to go back to main menu yields a black screen

[02:29:24]

Paladine:

hmmmm I just noticed that xmltvid in the channel table for mythconverg is only a varchar(64)

[02:29:32]

Paladine:

is that really long enough to be future proof?

[02:29:59]

Inssomniak:

any ideas folks? maybe something to do with screen saver? power management?

[02:30:07]

scopeuk (scopeuk!n=Scope@cpc2-mfld2-0-0-cust20.nott.cable.ntl.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[02:30:17]

Inssomniak:

cant seem to control it after that though

[02:30:41]

crweb:

Paladine: you expect channelid's to be longer than 64 characters?

[02:30:57]

crweb:

even if you spell them out, most are shorter than 64

[02:31:00]

Paladine:

well we have some pretty long ones in the UK already

[02:31:14]

crweb:

Home and Garden TV, HGTV

[02:31:42]

Paladine:

that isn't the xmltvid though

[02:31:58]

crweb:

what is xmltvid?

[02:32:08]

Paladine:

like bbc1 north west has the is north-west.bbc1.bbc.co.uk

[02:32:15]

Paladine:

s/is/id

[02:32:38]

kormoc:

Paladine, let's say we use 8 bits per char, that's 2.81474977 ? 10^14 unique combinations

[02:33:04]

kormoc:

Paladine, yet alone the command to expand it is UPDATE channels MODIFY xmltvid VARCHAR(128);

[02:33:18]

kormoc:

so really, why wouldn't it be acceptable?

[02:35:52]

** SeaWeed Can Any 1 Tell me how i can Get Mythtv to Send Display out Nexus S Tv out ? i have it working fine in ( XV ) but i would like to have Tv out **

[02:35:52]

SeaWeed:

?

[02:36:33]

GreyFoxx:

SeaWeed: Myth itself doesn't support outputting via the TVout on ff dvb cards

[02:37:30]

SeaWeed:

Hum i could swear i tested a live CD Pretty good while baclk that displayed out but not shure how the Did it

[02:37:37]

SeaWeed:

is there any info on this

[02:37:50]

GreyFoxx:

Nope

[02:38:02]

GreyFoxx:

Myth does not support outputting to DVB cards TVouts.

[02:38:05]

kormoc:

booya

[02:38:17]

GreyFoxx:

Now,m if you can get X to output through then you might have a chance

[02:38:23]

kormoc:

Does anyone have the MCEUSB2 keyboard/mouse and remote bundle?

[02:38:47]

GreyFoxx:

SeaWeed: There are several VDR livecd's that do allow the output on them

[02:39:26]

SeaWeed:

(GreyFoxx) ok thanks ill see if i can find some info on how to do this

[02:40:30]

Paladine:

does mythfrontend automatically do scheduling updates or do I have to write a script and cron it?

[02:40:51]

GreyFoxx:

Paladine: mythbackend does the scheduling

[02:41:22]

GreyFoxx:

but the frontend/mythweb/filldb do send a trigger to force an update everyone you use one of them to update schedules or program listings

[02:41:34]

Paladine:

what I mean is, do I have to manually run mythfilldatabase periodically or does it happen on a built in schedule?

[02:42:01]

cesman:

you should configure it to run at the next suggested time

[02:42:04]

GreyFoxx:

As long as you are not inserting recordin schedules manually it will happen on it's own

[02:42:20]

GreyFoxx:

oh, sorry now I understaqnd what you mean

[02:42:26]

GreyFoxx:

Paladine: You can do either

[02:42:33]

GreyFoxx:

let mythbackend run it or do it via a cron

[02:42:43]

cesman:

it should run automatically assuming your system is on and it will reduce stress on zap2it's servers

[02:42:45]

GreyFoxx:

myth can run it for oyu

[02:42:45]

Paladine:

how often does mythbackend run it?

[02:42:54]

GreyFoxx:

Paladine: it's configurable

[02:43:02]

GreyFoxx:

but basically once a day

[02:43:04]

Paladine:

and I presume it uses ~/.mythtv/whatever.xmltv for the config?

[02:43:20]

GreyFoxx:

It uses whatever mythfilldatabase uses

[02:43:37]

GreyFoxx:

I haven't had a xmltv file in several years now so that knowledge has evaporated out of my brain :)

[02:43:48]

Paladine:

I will cron it just to be safe

[02:45:04]

GreyFoxx:

I don't see either as any more "Safe" than the other

[02:45:14]

GreyFoxx:

if you enable it in mythbackend it will happen

[02:45:22]

GreyFoxx:

if you enable it in acron, it will happen :)

[02:45:29]

GreyFoxx:

pick your poison :)

[02:45:52]

red_fox:

arg I'm still getting an error compiling mythvideo

[02:45:59]

jojo1212 (jojo1212!n=bubbagum@c-68-61-209-233.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:45:59]

red_fox:

videobrowser.cpp: In member function `void VideoBrowser::updateInfo(QPainter*)':videobrowser.cpp:285: error: no matching function for call to `UIImageType::GetSize(bool)'

[02:46:30]

red_fox:

I just re-emerged qt 3.3.6-r4... any thoughts?

[02:46:34]

GreyFoxx:

red_fox: Did you compile and install mythtv first of the same version as you are doiong the plugins ?

[02:46:52]

GreyFoxx:

That error is not relating to QT

[02:47:02]

jojo1212:

hello, has anyone installed kworld NBTV 100 pcmica card with mythtv

[02:47:07]

b^j (b^j!n=bj@c-75-73-5-122.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has quit ()

[02:47:22]

red_fox:

GreyFoxx, hmm it looks like the ebuilds are 0.20_p12325 for mythtv and 0.20_p11671 for mythvideo

[02:47:52]

red_fox:

which are both at tips in gentoo's portage

[02:47:54]

GreyFoxx:

red_fox: There There must be an updated mythplugs or something

[02:47:55]

kormoc:

red_fox, that typically doesn't matter too much, if mythvideo hasn't been updated (which is hasn't)

[02:48:25]

kormoc:

given I'm running the same two versions perfectly fine

[02:48:39]

red_fox:

UIImageType isn't a qt thing?

[02:48:43]

GreyFoxx:

No

[02:48:48]

GreyFoxx:

It's a mythui class

[02:48:50]

red_fox:

hrm

[02:49:10]

red_fox:

I installed mythtv from svn a while ago, I wonder if it is still looking at the older headers...

[02:49:33]

Paladine:

well Ijust ran my script and I think it worked :)

[02:49:35]

GreyFoxx:

you liekly have 2 versions installed and the libraries/headers it's checking during the compile are the wrong ones

[02:49:57]

red_fox:

yeah I bet some are in /usr/local/lib and some are in /usr/lib

[02:50:22]

Paladine:

filled my channel table and wrote my xmltv config file :)

[02:50:30]

Paladine:

brb

[02:52:24]

jojo1212 (jojo1212!n=bubbagum@c-68-61-209-233.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has quit ()

[02:54:05]

juski:

damn insomnia

[02:54:22]

juski:

xris: hit refresh & you may be pleasantly surprised ;)

[02:54:53]

kormoc:

ahh, a successful weekend for sure

[02:55:00]

juski:

am I gonna have to drink a bottle of JD a night just to get some fscking sleep around here?

[02:57:07]

juski:

heheh just looked at ie.css & saw how pngs get rendered properly. nice trick :)

[02:58:10]

** kormoc laughs **

[02:58:14]

kormoc:

yeah, it's a nasty trick

[02:58:35]

jblack:

oh, anyone look at my transcoding images yet?

[02:58:42]

juski:

ie can't even render pngs by itself? how lame is that? I mean not adhering to proper css is one thing...

[02:59:06]

Paladine:

hey juski I rock :)

[02:59:09]

juski:

buttons look SO much nicer as pngs

[02:59:17]

juski:

yeh? that's funny cos so do I :-P

[02:59:19]

jblack:

I think newer ie's can. Older ones have transparency isuses.

[02:59:36]

juski:

ie6 is the newest that'll ever be on my machine

[02:59:57]

juski:

ie7 might need a VM for safety

[03:00:20]

Paladine:

juski check out my script to populate the channels table with all the sky channels and all available xmltvid's http://pastebin.ca/300331

[03:00:55]

juski:

heheh mine does about the same thing

[03:01:03]

jblack:

Someone please look at my images. I spent hours on them and want to know if they're probably good enough or suck badly. There is png and svg at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2826

[03:01:13]

juski:

Paladine: I knew you could do it

[03:01:26]

Paladine:

couldn't get cut to work properly in bash

[03:01:30]

Paladine:

so I have to revert to tcl

[03:01:36]

jonty_ (jonty_!n=jonty@81.168.112.30) has quit (Client Quit)

[03:02:25]

Paladine:

just running mythfilldatabase for the first time now

[03:02:26]

juski:

jblack: good idea, but they're probably better as squares

[03:02:47]

red_fox:

jblack, I like them :)

[03:02:47]

Jack3 (Jack3!n=Jack3@pool-71-115-212-12.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:02:51]

Paladine:

I didn't check -all- the channels in mythtv-setup but the 20 or so that I did were added correctly by the script

[03:02:53]

jblack:

Ok. I'll take care of that. Any other suggestions?

[03:03:26]

juski:

yeh jblack make sure to document the code needed to incorporate em in a theme ;) – be doing me a favour

[03:04:08]

jblack:

Oh, I've never looked at the codebase.

[03:04:17]

juski:

or at least hack a theme up to clearly show what's going on.. I sometimes find it difficult to work out where/how new images go

[03:04:41]

juski:

so you're doing the images & somebody else is coding it?

[03:04:50]

jblack:

That's my hope. =)

[03:05:30]

juski:

that watch recordings screen – it doesn't already have enough icons taking up valuable screen space?

[03:05:37]

jblack:

which means they could end up sitting in trac for weeks, months... years...

[03:05:47]

jblack:

qt gets under my skin.

[03:05:59]

juski:

you could fill the 'watch recordings' screen with status indicators

[03:06:18]

jblack:

That's what these are for. Little status indicators on watch recordings.

[03:06:23]

juski:

a better place for them might be the job status screen IMHO

[03:06:24]

jblack:

To go right next to the hearts and dollar signs.

[03:06:34]

juski:

there's already:

[03:06:47]

jblack:

I have a bios bug that prevents me from watching things that aren't transcoded yet.

[03:07:00]

juski:

bookmark, watched, cutlist, commflagged, autoexpire...

[03:07:08]

jblack:

Right now, I either have to guess by the filesize ,or I have to go to the system info and look down the log.

[03:07:10]

Paladine:

am pretty chuffed with that script

[03:07:17]

juski:

stereo, cc, hd

[03:07:54]

jblack:

Yeah. but no way to know in watched recordings whether its being transcoded, if it's ever been transcoded, or what its been transcoded to.

[03:08:07]

juski:

so that's 8 icons, each typically 32x32 pixels... you find the room for more

[03:08:24]

jblack:

Oh, each icon takes up a unique position?

[03:08:26]

juski:

more icons, less room for text ;)

[03:08:28]

juski:

yup

[03:08:43]

jblack:

So... you can't just pick the apprpriate one from a list of eight.

[03:08:54]

juski:

nope

[03:09:02]

jblack:

Can icons overlap?

[03:09:10]

juski:

yes, but it'd suck

[03:09:22]

GreyFoxx:

Though the ability to specify an icon depending on astatus indicator would be handy

[03:09:54]

juski:

actually maybe having some status info in the redundant menu screen space would be handy too

[03:10:11]

juski:

time/date, which encoders are recording what...

[03:10:16]

juski:

rss news feed (!)

[03:10:22]

juski:

just scribbling ;)

[03:10:32]

jblack:

I could drop all but one of them, and replace the HML with a T

[03:10:38]

jblack:

That would be just one icon then.

[03:11:20]

juski:

jblack: for your idea, just have <blackhole trans_status> theme element, in one place, then have whatever code drop the appropriate icon into that

[03:12:06]

juski:

status bars for transcoding status might be an even better idea – have a new status menu option

[03:12:36]

jblack:

I could live with that, I guess.

[03:13:26]

jblack:

I am a bit of an edge case.. Most people probably don't have to care as much as I do about whether thing are transcoded or not. I can teach my kid to check.

[03:13:42]

juski:

I sometimes wish the icons for shows weren't in a fixed location

[03:14:12]

jblack:

I'm surprised that they're not packed on the fly.

[03:14:23]

jblack:

I'm sure there's a good reason though

[03:14:38]

juski:

it was coded that way from the beginning

[03:15:03]

juski:

I think there's even a 'preserve' icon coming too

[03:15:48]

juski:

still, I can always reduce font sizes & squeeze a bit more space out

[03:15:53]

Paladine:

man it is a good job I never scheduled anything on the old database

[03:16:05]

Paladine:

all my channels were out of sync with the schedules

[03:16:21]

Paladine:

they were assigned schedules from different channels

[03:16:31]

Paladine:

looks like my script has fixed it :)

[03:17:13]

jblack:

maybe I can work on the code.

[03:17:28]

jblack:

Is there a git or bzr gateway to the svn repo?

[03:19:15]

toad-six (toad-six!n=toadsix@c-69-142-219-14.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has quit ("ZinoZ Automatic FServe Downloader 2.03 - http://www.zinoz.cjb.net")

[03:23:30]

kslater:

greetings mythers – can I take a series of .VOB and concat them back into a single mpg? I have an audio sync problem and I've lost the original recording

[03:26:28]

Paladine:

hahahaha too funny

[03:26:34]

Paladine:

my channels really were screwed

[03:26:51]

Paladine:

I just saw mythfilldatabase remove a bunch of playboytv shows from the playhouse disney schedule ;)

[03:27:30]

juski:

seriously?

[03:27:39]

juski:

that'll teach yer

[03:27:45]

juski:

disney are eeeeevil

[03:28:05]

Paladine:

yes really lol

[03:28:13]

Paladine:

all my schedules were misalligned for some reason

[03:28:14]

juski:

could've been worse

[03:28:26]

juski:

you could have accidentally recorded Barney

[03:28:32]

jblack:

A few years ago a script kiddie broke into directv and replaced disney with hard for porn. They got away with it for a couple minutes before they took it off air.

[03:28:46]

jblack:

s/for/core

[03:29:08]

juski:

hardcore porn on directtv? heh. we don't get that, even in the liberal minded uk

[03:29:23]

juski:

well, not what I'd call that anyway ;)

[03:30:20]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -v jams

[03:31:58]

juski:

yikes I need to be up & at em in 3 hours

[03:32:16]

kgbudz:

i guess its cheerio time then

[03:32:25]

juski:

yup. again

[03:34:42]

red_fox:

GreyFoxx, kormoc, removing the libs/includes from an old svn install fixed my mythvideo ebuild problems, thanks!

[03:37:08]

iresprite (iresprite!n=seraphim@touchstone.usg.tufts.edu) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:37:24]

iresprite:

evening, everyone.

[03:43:56]

kormoc:

Mornin'

[03:46:49]

Paladine:

ok now I am just plain confused

[03:47:14]

Paladine:

I have a bunch of channels mapped to the wrong schedules still

[03:47:32]

Paladine:

the xmltvid is correct in mythtv-setup though

[03:47:36]

kgbudz:

delete the channels and start over

[03:47:46]

Paladine:

this is a totally new channel table

[03:47:50]

kgbudz:

you using datadirect?

[03:47:54]

Paladine:

no

[03:47:59]

kgbudz:

you in the us?

[03:48:04]

Paladine:

no

[03:48:16]

kgbudz:

hmm...?

[03:48:20]

sandeen (sandeen!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:51:31]

Inssomniak:

does the --disable-backend option not work anymore?

[03:54:04]

GreyFoxx:

It's not supported

[03:54:08]

kormoc:

Inssomniak, it's never really been intended to be used anyway

[03:54:13]

Inssomniak:

k

[03:54:15]

GreyFoxx:

and should frankly never be used unless you are porting to another platform

[03:54:39]

Chromeroo (Chromeroo!n=michal@24-51-92-117.kntnny.adelphia.net) has quit ("WeeChat 0.2.1")

[03:54:51]

red_fox (red_fox!n=red_fox@adsl-69-155-105-119.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[03:58:03]

[1]Jack3 ([1]Jack3!n=Jack3@pool-71-115-212-12.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:58:13]

sandeen (sandeen!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[03:58:15]

Paladine:

greyfoxx, if I drop my mythconverg database will it set everything up again when I run mythtv-setup?

[04:01:27]

kormoc:

no, you need to redo the mc.sql import first

[04:02:42]

Inssomniak:

is there any other method besides opengl vsync for vertical sync?

[04:03:07]

kormoc:

sure, disable it and it will use the other one

[04:03:19]

Inssomniak:

I didnt notice another one :/

[04:03:45]

kormoc:

you uncheck the use opengl vsync and it uses the other one (standard timing)

[04:05:32]

benc_ (benc_!n=benc@markcaswell.dsl.visi.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[04:05:40]

benc_ (benc_!n=benc@markcaswell.dsl.visi.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:07:11]

xris:

juski: cool..

[04:08:59]

lophylap (lophylap!n=dsulliva@ubuntu/member/lophyte) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:09:31]

lophylap:

hey all.. any chance someone recognizes this card and knows if its supported by v4l? fortunately it doesn't say the make/model... http://www.factorydirect.ca/catalog/product_s . . . pcode=PO0010

[04:09:41]

lophylap:

unfortunately*

[04:09:55]

jojo1212 (jojo1212!n=bubbagum@c-68-61-209-233.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:10:09]

jojo1212 (jojo1212!n=bubbagum@c-68-61-209-233.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[04:10:22]

jimbean (jimbean!n=bubbagum@c-68-61-209-233.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:10:59]

robbins876 (robbins876!n=robbins8@209.159.197.59) has quit ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12")

[04:11:49]

jimbean:

-----------------------------*2*0*0*7*------------------------------------------ --

[04:12:18]

robbins876 (robbins876!n=robbins8@209.159.197.59) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:12:35]

jimbean:

i have a total noob qn

[04:13:12]

jimbean:

when knoppmyth is on the config page and it cannot configure the card how do u open console and enter modprobe commands

[04:13:27]

kormoc:

try ctrl + alt + f1?

[04:13:48]

jimbean:

that helps thanks

[04:14:03]

cesman:

or <alt><x>

[04:14:57]

jimbean:

and how these guy copy paste their console files error logs from there

[04:15:20]

cesman:

I think most folks would ssh into the system

[04:15:36]

jimbean:

ok

[04:15:42]

cesman:

jimbean: what is the issue you are having?

[04:16:00]

Paladine:

does anyone know if the xmltv file in ~/.mythtv/ has to contain all channels even if they don't have an xmltvid?

[04:16:09]

jimbean:

i wanted to configure a hdtv card and it doesnt scan channels at all

[04:16:14]

jimbean:

not even analog ones

[04:16:25]

Jack3 (Jack3!n=Jack3@pool-71-115-212-12.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[04:16:26]

[1]Jack3 is now known as Jack3

[04:17:06]

Maniaman (Maniaman!n=ask@74-138-96-248.dhcp.insightbb.com) has quit ()

[04:17:17]

cesman:

what tuner card do you have?

[04:17:26]

jimbean:

kworld astc 110

[04:17:38]

jimbean:

got from buy.com last week

[04:18:16]

cesman:

for $32 bucks?

[04:18:21]

cesman:

or something like that

[04:18:51]

jimbean:

no i got jacked i pulled the trigger quickly and it hit me xtra 6.95 ship

[04:18:58]

jimbean:

so yes 32 + 8

[04:19:15]

jimbean:

i think it is pos

[04:19:41]

jimbean:

i searched forums and it kindaa indicates i wont see my rebate back

[04:19:48]

squish102:

it has the nxt2004 chipset, same as my ati HD wonder which works

[04:19:49]

cesman:

perhaps that is the problem...

[04:20:27]

squish102:

jimbean did u go through this page? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Kworld_ATSC_110

[04:20:34]

jimbean:

i will give it a last shot in morning

[04:20:40]

cesman:

well, as far as I'm aware everything need to support is has been in KnoppMyth for a few releases now

[04:21:08]

jimbean:

yes i just wanted to know how to enter console mode

[04:21:14]

jimbean:

i need to learn linux

[04:21:35]

cesman:

please let me know what you do to get it working

[04:21:35]

squish102:

gl jimbean ;)

[04:21:44]

jimbean:

i am sure it is worth it

[04:21:54]

cesman:

particularly if I have to make some modifications to KnoppMyth

[04:22:40]

cesman:

jimbean: BTW: have you checked antennaweb to may sure you are pointing in the right direction?

[04:23:23]

jimbean:

but it doesnt even pull analog off the comcast snake

[04:23:40]

cesman:

comcast snake?

[04:23:47]

jimbean:

cable wire

[04:24:16]

cesman:

sorry, couldn't tell ya if that should work

[04:24:27]

Inssomniak:

I did it! recording 4 things at once!

[04:24:35]

squish102:

wow

[04:24:55]

cesman:

4 HD?

[04:25:00]

Inssomniak:

one is HD

[04:25:04]

jimbean (jimbean!n=bubbagum@c-68-61-209-233.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has quit ()

[04:25:05]

Inssomniak:

it only took me 3 weeks

[04:25:05]

cesman:

:)

[04:25:31]

squish102:

what is your load like on your computer? disks keeping you warm at night?

[04:25:41]

Inssomniak:

12% cpu load

[04:25:43]

Inssomniak:

on backend

[04:25:48]

squish102:

no ways :(

[04:25:58]

squish102:

ok, i must have a problem

[04:26:05]

Inssomniak:

yea 12% recording 4 at once

[04:26:09]

kormoc:

load all depends on your capture card(s)

[04:26:17]

squish102:

are the analogue cards all hardware encoded?

[04:26:20]

Inssomniak:

I was gonna say, all minec are DVB

[04:26:25]

kormoc:

squish102, no, most are not

[04:28:06]

Inssomniak:

the bt8xx chipset are the most common "framegrabber" cards

[04:28:06]

squish102:

i was going to try for a pvr 150 and a HD tuner and a software encoded card... but then changed my mind

[04:28:11]

Paladine:

hmmm I think I might be better off rebuilding the database from scratch

[04:28:29]

kormoc:

squish102, the pvr 150 and hd tuner won't eat up much cpu at all

[04:29:00]

squish102:

that is what i thought, but i seem to have other issues on my FC6 box

[04:29:35]

squish102:

other than i have a volume group defined spanning disks

[04:30:04]

squish102:

(at the time i thought it was a good idea so i could add disk)

[04:30:57]

kormoc:

what's wrong with your LVM?

[04:31:20]

squish102:

kormoc i know load does not have that much to do with the real load, but an example now is the pvr 150 is recording

[04:31:27]

squish102:

and my load is about 3

[04:31:42]

kormoc:

so what's your cpu usage?

[04:32:18]

squish102:

everything else looks fine... i just dont remember load ever being so high on my linux boxes

[04:32:36]

squish102:

Cpu(s): 1.3%us, 2.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 96.0%id, 0.7%wa, 0.0%hi,

[04:32:40]

kormoc:

well, load just means how many processes are running at a time (on average).

[04:32:53]

kormoc:

when doing multimedia stuff, it's not uncommon for a few things running at once

[04:33:03]

squish102:

oh ok, this is a mythbox + 100 other things

[04:33:39]

squish102:

im kinda amazed this machine is still so stable

[04:37:21]

IamEthos (IamEthos!n=Ethos@unaffiliated/iamethos) has quit (Connection timed out)

[04:38:22]

squish102:

with nuvexport, what is a good video bitrate to have for an HD signal to still have decent quality? Xvid

[04:38:55]

kormoc:

honestly, there's no real hard or fast rule, it's purely what you think looks fine

[04:39:04]

stickyicky (stickyicky!n=acm@c-67-190-74-12.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:39:04]

kormoc:

you could try the default one and raise/lower as you want

[04:39:34]

squish102:

ok, im trying 1150 and see how that goes... the default seemed to come out fairly bad

[04:40:03]

lophylap (lophylap!n=dsulliva@ubuntu/member/lophyte) has quit ("Leaving.")

[04:44:14]

JoeyJoeJo (JoeyJoeJo!n=bwallen@n125s161.bbr1.shentel.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[04:44:54]

xris:

Paladine: channel and program tables are generally enough (there are more, like people, credits, etc, but not necessary)

[04:45:20]

Paladine:

sok I just dropped the whole database and did mythtv-setup again

[04:46:57]

xris:

that, too

[04:47:11]

Paladine:

hopefully this time it will assign the schedules to the correct channels :)

[04:47:31]

Paladine:

I rebuilt my channel table without removing all the old program data from the program table first

[04:47:39]

Paladine:

so I think that cocked the last effort up

[04:48:01]

Paladine:

so this time I started from scratch with a new mythconverg

[04:48:11]

Paladine:

setup everything apart from channels in mythtv-setup

[04:48:20]

Paladine:

then ran my script to populate the channel table

[04:48:39]

Paladine:

now I am doing a manual tv_grab_uk_rt

[04:48:48]

Paladine:

with an xmltv config I generated

[04:49:01]

Paladine:

then I will mythfilldatabase with the output file from the grabber

[04:49:05]

Paladine:

and hopefully it should all be ok

[04:50:30]

Paladine:

I think program table includes an attribute called chanid, which is probably why the schedules were wrong on the epg because all the channel IDs had changed when I repopulated the channel table

[04:50:55]

Paladine:

at least I hope that was the problem

[04:50:58]

Paladine:

cos otherwise I am lost

[04:52:34]

Paladine:

any of that make any sense to anyone or am I talking to myself? ;p

[04:55:34]

xris:

chanid is the record id of the channel a program is attached to. it's the thing that links the two tables together.

[04:55:47]

Paladine:

yeah I figured as much

[04:56:07]

Paladine:

so if I rebuilt my channel table, the programs in the program table would be linked to the wrong channel ids?

[04:56:30]

Paladine:

thus making my epg totally wrong

[04:58:03]

xris:

correct

[04:58:06]

nuonguy (nuonguy!n=john@c-24-6-175-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:58:17]

xris:

should have wiped the program table and rerun mfdb

[05:04:07]

Edgy-Paladine (Edgy-Paladine!n=paladine@ns1.scs-live.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[05:04:28]

Edgy-Paladine (Edgy-Paladine!n=paladine@ns1.scs-live.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:04:47]

Paladine:

xris, this is basically what I have done http://pastebin.ca/300466

[05:05:33]

xris:

Paladine: xmltv or EIT not good enough?

[05:05:37]

Paladine:

it is just running mfdb now

[05:06:44]

Paladine:

xmltv is fine, but it doesn't cover all my channels

[05:06:49]

xris:

ah

[05:07:02]

Paladine:

and I needed to set channel numbers and channel frequencies as well

[05:07:11]

Paladine:

which xmltv doesn't do

[05:07:46]

Paladine:

so ifI used the grabber to build my channel table it would only have some ofmy channels

[05:08:02]

Paladine:

and I would have to manually edit all the channel numbers and frequencies

[05:08:46]

schtinky (schtinky!n=cyrus@74-140-232-159.dhcp.insightbb.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:09:04]

Paladine:

I don't think EIT would work over svideo would it?

[05:10:29]

schtinky:

got a question: in the past, i used myth with a non-hardware MPEG-2 card (Winfast 2000) and I set up my recordings to record with ffmpeg mpeg4. Now I'm using a winTV PVR-250 with hardware encoder. I tried to set up transcodings so that when it finishes, the files will be compessed. how do I know if that is happening or not?

[05:11:03]

Paladine:

you machine will slow down and mythfrontend will use all your cpu ;)

[05:11:25]

kormoc:

you mean mythtranscode

[05:11:46]

SlicerDicer- is now known as SlicerDicer

[05:11:50]

schtinky:

the "file" program says the files in my /mnt/store directory are "MPEG v2"... so i guess that means it's not happening

[05:12:01]

schtinky:

hmmm

[05:12:04]

rosh1182 (rosh1182!n=rosh1182@032-414-508.area5.spcsdns.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:12:28]

schtinky:

it was my understanding that files would be automatically transcoded using the "default" transcoder in the myth settings

[05:12:40]

kormoc:

only if you enable default transcoding in mythtv-setup

[05:12:42]

schtinky:

apparently, I need to do something else. Any hints?

[05:13:19]

schtinky:

oh and a separate question: where can I fiddle with what mythtv uses for playback (mplayer, xine, etc)

[05:14:02]

Agrajag-:

schtinky: playback of what? mythtv does it's own playback

[05:14:08]

kormoc:

for recorded tv? you mess with myth's code

[05:14:29]

schtinky:

I was under the impression myth does or could be made to use another player for playback

[05:14:41]

kormoc:

it can for mythvideo

[05:14:51]

schtinky:

ok

[05:14:52]

xris:

schtinky: why recompress, though? quality on the mpeg2 encoder is almost as good as the software mpeg4 stuff...

[05:15:02]

xris:

esp. if you cut out the comercials to reduce size.

[05:15:03]

schtinky:

xris: space reasons

[05:15:10]

rosh1182 (rosh1182!n=rosh1182@032-414-508.area5.spcsdns.net) has quit (Client Quit)

[05:15:11]

xris:

schtinky: change your recording bitrate

[05:15:23]

schtinky:

xris: then the quality goes kaput

[05:15:41]

schtinky:

I think debating the benefits of MPEG-4 over mpeg-2 has long since passed

[05:15:46]

xris:

schtinky: strange. it was nearly identical to mpeg4 with my pvr-150

[05:15:57]

xris:

myth's mpeg4 isn't all that good

[05:16:08]

schtinky:

in my experience, it's 1/8 file size with similar quality

[05:16:11]

kormoc:

it's around a 5% space savings to go from mpeg-2 to mpeg-4

[05:16:12]

schtinky:

but that was outside myth

[05:16:14]

xris:

analog cable is the bottleneck in quality there.

[05:16:23]

kormoc:

(inside of myth)

[05:16:39]

schtinky:

why would it matter whether inside or otuside myth?

[05:16:48]

schtinky:

video encoding is video encoding

[05:16:49]

xris:

schtinky: and it's about a 30% space savings to cut out the commercials.

[05:16:49]

kormoc:

myth uses a rather sucky codec

[05:17:01]

xris:

schtinky: no, it's not. myth is tweaked for speed.

[05:17:09]

schtinky:

aaah

[05:17:10]

schtinky:

ok

[05:17:11]

kormoc:

schtinky, actually not, that's why there's many different libs to do it

[05:17:24]

schtinky:

so how are you cutting commercials?

[05:17:33]

xris:

schtinky: if you want to save space, use nuvexport and export to h.264 mp4

[05:17:46]

xris:

lossless mpeg2 transcoder

[05:18:03]

kormoc:

so it doesn't re-encode, and thus much speedier

[05:18:30]

schtinky:

commercials?

[05:18:34]

schtinky:

how do I cut them?

[05:18:41]

xris:

press E while watching

[05:18:46]

xris:

then Z to import the flag list as a cutlist.

[05:19:04]

schtinky:

so manually

[05:19:09]

xris:

fix it (it will not always be correct), then go back to watching and press X, assuming you've set your default transcoder to the lossless profile

[05:19:09]

iresprite:

I've heard that the cut list is not as accurate for nuvexport.

[05:19:13]

iresprite:

Is that true?

[05:19:30]

xris:

iresprite: nuvexport uses mythtranscode to get the data from the backend, so it shouldn't be.

[05:19:38]

xris:

shouldn't be true, that is.

[05:19:45]

kormoc:

schtinky, myth can try to autodetect them, and tends to be decently right, but you should manually fix it if it's wrong, if you care

[05:19:46]

iresprite:

Ah! Okay. Good to know.

[05:20:05]

schtinky:

has anybody worked on a solution for dealing with sports pre-emptions?

[05:20:11]

schtinky:

I missed the simpsons this week due to football

[05:20:19]

kormoc:

there is no solution

[05:20:29]

schtinky:

there has got to be one

[05:20:30]

xris:

schtinky: you could do it automatically, but the flagger is only so accurate.

[05:20:38]

kormoc:

schtinky, how can myth know?

[05:20:56]

xris:

schtinky: can't be until the listings providers actually update the info.. I don't think even the EIT data gets updated properly all the time (for those who could use it)

[05:21:08]

schtinky:

I deal with this issue in my business systems, too

[05:21:22]

kormoc:

schtinky, dealing with networks not playing what they tell you they are playing?

[05:21:38]

schtinky:

one possible solution is for mythtv to detect closed caption intros

[05:21:53]

schtinky:

so let's say myth starts recording at 8:00 pm on the nose for the simspons

[05:21:59]

schtinky:

but it doesn't really start until 8:12

[05:22:14]

schtinky:

if the simpsons had some sort of predictable closed caption flag at the opening

[05:22:23]

kormoc:

schtinky, there is no standard for closed caption intros, nor do they stay the same network to network, nor do they exist for all shows

[05:22:24]

schtinky:

then myth could stop recording, delete, and re-record from there

[05:22:36]

xris:

schtinky: your "if" is a big one.

[05:22:54]

kormoc:

back home, fox 43 didn't play the same closed captions as fox 23

[05:23:12]

schtinky:

there could be some sort of data mining-info-uploading thing going on in myth

[05:23:20]

schtinky:

so that a centralized service would know what caps flags to look for

[05:23:28]

Agrajag-:

schtinky: in .au our shows _never_ start/finish on time. i make all my recordings start 5 minutes early and finish 15 minutes late

[05:23:29]

kormoc:

feel free to submit patches and run the service

[05:23:40]

xris:

schtinky: that would require paying someone for the rights to do that.

[05:23:42]

kormoc:

I'd love if you can get it going, as would a lot of people

[05:23:53]

Dr_willis (Dr_willis!n=willis@74-140-6-108.dhcp.insightbb.com) has quit ("Leaving")

[05:24:08]

schtinky:

kormoc, I might actually put an engineer on that if we get some capital soon

[05:24:45]

schtinky:

i'm not a hardcore coder, so it's probably out of my reach

[05:25:09]

kormoc:

schtinky, for an example, I have 4 recordings of "Wings", the cc into for them are "Wings!" "Wnigs!" "The wings" and nothing

[05:25:39]

kormoc:

and they're all from a single channel

[05:26:10]

schtinky:

got another question: i just recompiled mythplugins w/ mythmusic this time

[05:26:20]

schtinky:

but it's not showing up in the menus

[05:26:27]

schtinky:

do I need to rebuild myth itself or something?

[05:26:31]

kormoc:

shouldn't

[05:26:42]

xris:

schtinky: installing it helps.

[05:26:43]

Octane (Octane!i=Octane@66-234-34-251.nyc.cable.nyct.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:26:47]

kormoc:

they are frontend specific, so if it's a remote frontend, you need to compile them on the real box

[05:27:12]

schtinky:

nervermind

[05:27:17]

schtinky:

bonehead error on my part

[05:27:21]

xris:

and you need to make sure that if mythplugins was compiled against the same copy of libmyth (meaning if you installed mythtv from package and mythplugins from source, it wouldn't work)

[05:28:03]

Faithful (Faithful!n=Faithful@ns.linuxterminal.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:28:52]

schtinky:

I never realized how many episodes of seinfeld are on every day

[05:29:05]

schtinky:

I've had myth up and running for about 3 days

[05:29:12]

schtinky:

put seinfeld for anytime on any channel

[05:29:17]

schtinky:

I have like 20 episodes now

[05:29:40]

iresprite:

I'm having a lot of difficulties compiling the svn version of mythplugins, for some reason.

[05:29:41]

kgbudz:

i got 168

[05:29:49]

kgbudz:

im about 10 short of them all

[05:30:09]

iresprite:

I had a bunch of issues where the <includes> were pointing to the wrong directory, or something.

[05:30:16]

iresprite:

I'm not sure what the heck I'm doing wrong.

[05:30:43]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@pool-71-164-10-252.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[05:31:02]

iresprite:

main.cpp: In function bint getFileInfo(QString, QString, int)b:

[05:31:02]

iresprite:

main.cpp:1957: error: bav_estimate_timingsb was not declared in this scope

[05:31:12]

iresprite:

Anyone seen anything like that?

[05:31:32]

Octane:

is there a guide or a blog about someone setting up mythtv with a plasma

[05:31:42]

Octane:

im thinkinga bout buying one, but that depends on people's experienfce

[05:31:54]

kgbudz:

what resolution?

[05:32:02]

kgbudz:

get either 720p or 1080p

[05:32:06]

kgbudz:

stay away from 1080i

[05:32:24]

iresprite:

(Alternatively, if anyone can point me towards a good Ubuntu package for .20, that would be awesome.)

[05:33:13]

xris:

iresprite: you already compile and install mythtv from svn?

[05:34:12]

Paladine:

xris, I am a bloody idiot sometimes, I ran mfdb --file with the wrong sourceid doh, now I have to runit all over again for the correct source ID :)

[05:34:20]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kromoc@pool-71-164-10-252.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:34:21]

xris:

oops

[05:34:49]

schtinky:

so I'm now getting 2007-01–02 00:32:47.095 MythPlugin::Init() dlerror: libcdaudio.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory when trying to configure mythmusic

[05:35:07]

schtinky:

libcdaudio.so.1 is definitely hanging out in /usr/local/lib

[05:35:07]

kgbudz:

what does myth do if you set your video to 4:3 but the window size isnt 4:3 ratio?

[05:35:18]

iresprite:

xris: yeah; should I have blown away the previous install before running make install for .20?

[05:35:19]

kgbudz:

does it center the 4:3?

[05:35:23]

schtinky:

which is in my /etc/ld.so.conf and I have run /sbin/ldconfig.... so

[05:35:27]

schtinky:

not sure what is going on there

[05:35:46]

xris:

iresprite: thought you said svn. but that might have helped, yes, esp. if the previous install was from packages.

[05:36:12]

iresprite:

Sorry-- let me clarify. I'm doing svn now, but have ubuntu packages installed for .19–5.

[05:36:39]

xris:

iresprite: yes. you need to get rid of the packages because those libs are earlier in the path, so it'll try to link against them instead.

[05:37:02]

werx (werx!n=aeyjmf@c-24-118-57-163.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:37:21]

iresprite:

xris: ahhh. okay. is there a preferred prefix for installation? I keep seeing /usr/local being used.

[05:38:11]

xris:

/usr/local/ is the default for user-installed stuff.. /usr/ is for packages/distro stuff

[05:40:12]

schtinky:

what's the command to see all your currently loaded libraries?

[05:40:23]

schtinky:

I'm kinda fuzzy on the whole ldconfig stuff

[05:40:33]

Octane:

kgbudz: 720

[05:40:59]

werx:

Hello everyone. Im trying to setup my Nvidia FX5200 for TV-OUT (to replace my PVR-350) but im having problems setting up the xorg.conf. dose anyone know of a good location to find info for setting this up on Fedora 6?

[05:41:30]

kormoc:

well the nvidia driver readme goes over it all

[05:41:37]

iresprite:

xris: thanks! I'll see if wiping out the previous package helps. I'm glad to be doing this when none of my shows have new episodes...

[05:41:55]

kgbudz:

Octane, how are you planning on doing tvout?

[05:43:01]

werx:

kormoc – where do I find that I have installed the drivers via wilsonet.com How-TO and via the rpms

[05:43:34]

kormoc:

nvidia's website,

[05:43:39]

kormoc:

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . E/index.html

[05:43:45]

werx:

Thanks

[05:44:02]

kgbudz:

whats not working with the drivers?

[05:44:59]

Octane:

kgbudz: DVI?

[05:46:00]

Paladine:

I should stop eating licorice or I will be sat on the throne all day tomorrow

[05:46:44]

kgbudz:

dvi is fine, assming the plasma has a dvi connector

[05:47:07]

kormoc:

or hdmi

[05:47:17]

kormoc:

and you have a dvi to hdmi adapter

[05:47:57]

xris:

Paladine: only if it's the real stuff

[05:48:28]

Paladine:

yeah it is real stuff :)

[05:49:32]

Octane:

kgbudz right but besides that id need an hdtvcard too

[05:50:09]

kgbudz:

just a video card

[05:50:25]

kgbudz:

which has dvi out, assming you want to connect using dvi

[05:51:29]

Octane:

where can i learn more about my options or about what other users have done

[05:52:16]

kgbudz:

not sure

[05:52:23]

kormoc:

uhh

[05:52:30]

kgbudz:

like just think of your plasma screen like a monitor

[05:52:31]

kormoc:

you can ask in here if you know what you're going after

[05:52:41]

kgbudz:

no difference

[05:52:44]

Octane:

kgbudz yes, sure, thats how i have my tv now :)

[05:53:01]

kgbudz:

a monitor is a monitor

[05:53:02]

Octane:

but i do need an hdtv card, right (if the plasma is hdtv)

[05:53:12]

kormoc:

not at all

[05:53:16]

croppa (croppa!n=stuart@135.27.233.220.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:53:21]

kormoc:

the video will get upsampled to display on it

[05:53:32]

Octane:

i dont need the pchdtv?

[05:53:33]

kormoc:

sure, it won't look too much better, but dvd's and other videos will

[05:54:59]

xris:

Octane: you have digital cable?

[05:55:05]

Octane:

hey xris

[05:55:08]

Octane:

ya

[05:55:15]

xris:

Octane: check your cable box for a firewire port.

[05:55:54]

Octane:

xris usb no firewire

[05:56:00]

xris:

Octane: HD box?

[05:56:27]

Octane:

settopbox?

[05:56:38]

xris:

yes

[05:56:40]

xris:

the cable box

[05:56:41]

kormoc:

HD == High Def

[05:56:48]

Octane:

yes, i dont have hd service though

[05:57:04]

xris:

what cable company?

[05:57:08]

Octane:

tw

[05:57:28]

kgbudz (kgbudz!n=rez@c-76-17-121-2.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has quit ()

[05:57:40]

xris:

if it's like comcast, the HD stuff is just a $5 extra fee for the HD box.

[05:57:48]

xris:

worth the upgrade, then you can record your HD through the cable box.

[05:58:06]

Octane:

you dont nee dto subscribe to the hd channels?

[05:58:11]

Octane:

hm intersting, thanks

[05:58:12]

kormoc:

yes, you do

[05:59:16]

xris:

Octane: it depends on the cable provider.

[05:59:26]

Octane:

so, basically, if someone's getting a plasma hdtv (with dvi in), you just need a video card with dvi out?

[05:59:31]

xris:

for comcast, if you pay for digital cable and the HD box, you get the hd channels

[05:59:36]

xris:

correct

[05:59:46]

Octane:

this whole time i thought i needed a pchdtv

[05:59:48]

Octane:

silly

[06:00:05]

xris:

no, that's just to receive the HD signal from the air

[06:03:02]

Octane:

xris, kormoc thanks for your help

[06:03:43]

kormoc:

you're welcome

[06:06:20]

Paladine:

w00p it worked :)

[06:06:30]

Paladine:

all my schedules are assigned to the right channels now :)

[06:07:35]

DVBMark:

Happy New Year Everyone

[06:07:53]

kormoc:

a /tad/ late, but happy new year! :P

[06:07:59]

DVBMark:

lmao true that

[06:08:03]

DVBMark:

but hey just got home heh

[06:08:47]

DVBMark:

did get me that kbd/remote/ir rx heh, worth messing with the kbd right now? what does it do for ya?

[06:10:02]

benc_ (benc_!n=benc@markcaswell.dsl.visi.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[06:10:29]

kormoc:

DVBMark, aye, keyboard works fine with the proper driver, and I just finished patching the driver to also allow the ir blaster to work, if you want to try it out

[06:11:22]

kormoc:

it attached itself as a usb core device, so the mouse and the keyboard both work inside and outside of X/myth

[06:11:25]

kormoc:

it's rather sweet

[06:11:26]

DVBMark:

so in its current state it is working just fine as a remote, the channel stuff and playback stuff. just haven't done anything else with it for keyboard keys and such. is that what you are talking bout?

[06:11:33]

DVBMark:

ohh wow ya

[06:11:33]

kormoc:

not at all

[06:11:36]

DVBMark:

that's what I am talkin bout heh

[06:11:39]

kormoc:

it fully works now :P

[06:11:43]

DVBMark:

I am wanting the kbd to work yes

[06:11:43]

DVBMark:

heh

[06:11:48]

DVBMark:

fill me in if you are up for it heh

[06:12:09]

kormoc:

DVBMark, https://kormoc.homelinux.org/source/

[06:12:14]

DVBMark:

sounds like you got further than what we were talking bout the other night lol

[06:13:20]

kormoc:

DVBMark, aye, I had to code a bit to get it happy, but in that dir, there's a file, download that, compile lirc, make sure your kernel has USB input support, compile that program, have it load the ko it spits out, and it should work fine :)

[06:14:02]

kormoc:

DVBMark, and yes, I know the ssl cert is invalid and wrong... I need to fix that one of these days... :P

[06:15:45]

shellshark:

anyone have suggestions for a linux-compatible wireless keyboard with integrated "mouse" device (dont care if it's trackball, touchpad, joystick, whatever)

[06:16:42]

DVBMark:

will check it out right now kormoc, appreciate the help

[06:16:45]

kormoc:

shellshark, Microsoft MCE USB keyboard/mouse remote combo :P

[06:16:47]

DVBMark:

I do love the kbd

[06:16:53]

DVBMark:

ROFLMAO ya

[06:16:55]

kormoc:

DVBMark, you're quite welcome. Do let me know if you have any issues with it

[06:16:58]

DVBMark:

that kbd is awesome Shellshark heh

[06:17:02]

DVBMark:

will do

[06:17:13]

shellshark:

kormoc: in general do you need special drivers for a wireless keyboard/mouse that have a USB dongle?

[06:17:40]

shellshark:

kormoc: or can you use them like regular USB keyboards and mice (less support for special "programmable" keys, of course)

[06:17:42]

kormoc:

DVBMark, I had a small memory leak in it earlier this weekend, and I *think* I squashed, but if it freezes after using the keyboard heavely, do let me know

[06:18:01]

kormoc:

shellshark, the logitech ones are standard keyboards, and just work fine

[06:18:23]

kormoc:

shellshark, the MCE keyboard is a special one, it requires it's own special driver, which is what DVBMark and I are talking about

[06:18:24]

shellshark:

kormoc: yeah but the logitech ones with integral mouse devices are $100+

[06:18:43]

shellshark:

kormoc: i found this $30 one on newegg

[06:19:17]

kormoc:

got a link to it?

[06:19:33]

DVBMark:

I got this kbd for $69 from Best Buy, and the IR rx/tx with a MCE Remote was $39 from PC Club Shellshark, so a little pricey but worth it

[06:20:01]

Paladine:

hey kormoc, I will have to tidy this script up a bit and add it to the knowledge base on the wiki :)

[06:20:02]

DVBMark:

that is US $$ FYI

[06:20:11]

Paladine:

will make life a lot easier for skytv users

[06:21:06]

shellshark:

kormoc: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16823110003

[06:21:46]

shellshark:

in the reviews people are saying they used it right out of the box without drivers on XP

[06:22:00]

kormoc:

likely it will work

[06:22:05]

shellshark:

cool deal

[06:22:26]

shellshark:

also, the remote that comes with the PVR-350... does that work with Myth?

[06:22:27]

kormoc:

but honestly, I've never heard of it before, so I might be very wrong :P

[06:22:34]

kormoc:

donno offhand

[06:22:36]

shellshark:

well i can always RMA it ;)

[06:22:46]

shellshark:

(the keyboard)

[06:24:24]

qfour20 (qfour20!n=q@dsl081-113-025.dfw1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:24:42]

Dagmar:

Virtually any IR remote will work with lirc.

[06:24:44]

Dagmar:

Read the docs.

[06:24:48]

Dagmar:

They tell you things like that.

[06:25:43]

shellshark:

Dagmar: i havent gotten it yet, i was just curious ;)

[06:25:44]

DVBMark:

Kormoc, sorry for bothersome question, what exactly in USB Input support do I need in my kernel, I have USB Input itself and HIB KBD and Mouse Modules, anything else?

[06:25:45]

Dagmar:

...as to keyboards and mice, if they plug into the USB port or the PS/2 ports, they'll freaking work and will not need any special drivers.

[06:25:56]

kormoc:

DVBMark, that should be enough

[06:26:14]

DVBMark:

complained bout missing some header files is reason I asked

[06:26:21]

shellshark:

Dagmar: the wireless reciever (usb dongle) plugs into a USB port, sure, but not the keyboard itself

[06:26:24]

kormoc:

Dagmar, not entirely true, this MCE USB keyboard is a USB keyboard and it's not supported by normal

[06:26:40]

DVBMark:

wants linux/usb_input.h heh I am assuming I am missing something lol

[06:26:50]

Dagmar:

Who the hell makes keyboards that don't adhere to the HID spec?

[06:26:51]

DVBMark:

I did have to mod it for 2.6.19.x kernel support but that was easy

[06:26:52]

kormoc:

DVBMark, I think it's going to require a kernel newer then 2.6.17.13

[06:26:56]

kormoc:

Dagmar, Microsoft

[06:27:05]

DVBMark:

will look again

[06:27:07]

shellshark:

Dagmar: a lot of people? :)

[06:27:12]

Dagmar:

Okay, that I can see happening, but the rest of the industry isn't that crazy

[06:27:13]

DVBMark:

I run a USB Kbd/Mouse on it right now would think that would be enuf

[06:27:18]

Dagmar:

shellshock: Actually no.

[06:27:20]

kormoc:

DVBMark, heh, might be too new... I coded it for 2.6.17.13 :P

[06:27:28]

DVBMark:

lmao ya

[06:27:52]

DVBMark:

2.6.19 uses autoconf.h instead of config.h I fixed that but maybe on the input, maybe uses a diff file will see what is there and let ya know if it is a ver thing

[06:27:58]

kormoc:

Dagmar, some of the no-names have popuped from time to time with people who don't have support, it's not /too/ common, but it happens from time to time with ir keyboards

[06:28:01]

Dagmar:

Seriously. The protocol mice and keyboards use over USB is just as standardized and simple as the protocol keyboards and mice when they're jammed into the PS/2 ports

[06:28:18]

shellshark:

Dagmar: sure, when they are WIRED

[06:28:53]

Dagmar:

I've got five wireless keyboards that I got from various sources. None of them are anything other than what I'd consider plain vanilla

[06:28:56]

shellshark:

Dagmar: we're talking about a possible proprietary RF reciever, not a simple wired USB keyboard

[06:29:03]

shellshark:

ok

[06:29:18]

Dagmar:

shellshark: Well it's a good thing you don't have to drive the radio reciever then. This is the reason it's got a USB interface

[06:29:22]

Dagmar:

This ain't the 80's.

[06:29:31]

Dagmar:

Hardware manufacturers that are that crazy are in the minority

[06:29:34]

DVBMark:

found it kormoc, when I get it running will get you a patch if wanted for 2.6.18 and above

[06:29:48]

kormoc:

Dagmar, don't attack him. it's happened, he got the answer, there is no use for you to keep bitching at him

[06:29:55]

Dagmar:

I'm not attacking anyone.

[06:30:00]

kormoc:

DVBMark, sure, sounds good

[06:30:16]

kormoc:

Dagmar, you are sure sounding like it

[06:30:36]

Tommck (Tommck!n=Tommck@69.19.21.79) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:30:45]

Tommck (Tommck!n=Tommck@69.19.21.79) has left #mythtv-users ()

[06:31:43]

Dagmar:

Dude, there's a difference between a difference of opinion and an attack.

[06:32:09]

kormoc:

<Dagmar> shellshark: Well it's a good thing you don't have to drive the radio reciever then. This is the reason it's got a USB interface

[06:32:24]

kormoc:

that's very directed and personal

[06:32:32]

Dagmar:

How is it personal?

[06:32:58]

kormoc:

you used the term 'you' directed to the person

[06:33:17]

Dagmar:

*IF* the computer had to directly drive the reciever, it would likely be a big pain in the ass--and it would also be connecting to the PC through something like a PCI card or (*ugh*) the LPT port

[06:33:33]

kormoc:

not at all

[06:33:33]

Dagmar:

OMG, I'm talking to "you" right now so I must be attacking you

[06:33:38]

Dagmar:

OMG I used "you" again

[06:33:46]

kormoc:

the MCE keyboard requires driving the ir receiver directly over the usb port

[06:33:56]

kormoc:

as well as a handful of others that lirc supports

[06:34:12]

Dagmar:

The ones NewEgg sells that work like that say so

[06:34:37]

kormoc:

in anycase, this is enough, just drop it

[06:34:46]

Dagmar:

I was perfectly fine dropping it

[06:39:16]

sandeen (sandeen!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:40:03]

defaultro (defaultro!n=def@c-67-184-215-105.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:40:07]

defaultro:

hey folks

[06:40:12]

kormoc:

mornin

[06:40:14]

defaultro:

need some help

[06:40:16]

defaultro:

hey

[06:40:17]

defaultro:

morning

[06:40:29]

defaultro:

i have a 60sec avi file and I need to convert it to mpg

[06:40:29]

DVBMark:

Kormoc, stupid question probably, but is the new module a replacement for the original ver2 of the mce module?

[06:40:40]

defaultro:

what converter tool should I use

[06:40:47]

kormoc:

DVBMark, aye, it replaces lirc_mceusb2

[06:40:55]

DVBMark:

k tesitng now

[06:41:05]

kormoc:

DVBMark, you likely need to use lirc 0.8.1 rc4 or newer

[06:41:12]

DVBMark:

using cvs

[06:41:35]

kormoc:

defaultro, you can use ffmpeg or mencoder or transcode, I perfer ffmpeg personally

[06:41:43]

defaultro:

ah

[06:41:49]

defaultro:

cool

[06:43:04]

warthog9 (warthog9!n=warthog9@c-67-188-75-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:43:38]

warthog9:

Recently updated mythtv from atrpms, and now I'm getting odd stretching in my video stream

[06:43:43]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@135.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[06:44:11]

xris:

warthog9: restarted recently?

[06:44:14]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@40.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:44:16]

warthog9:

xris- yes

[06:44:16]

DVBMark:

welp kormoc keyboard def is working in myth, not sure what I would need to do to make it work in x alone, but that is a plus heh, don't see mouse pointer so not sure if that is working or not

[06:44:27]

defaultro:

mencoder some.avi -of mpeg -o some.mpg

[06:44:40]

kormoc:

DVBMark, try going to a VTTY ctrl + alt + f1

[06:44:47]

kormoc:

DVBMark, it should drop you to a text console

[06:44:58]

kormoc:

DVBMark, if you can login via that, it's working for sure :)

[06:44:59]

xris:

warthog9: press W while watching, see if it fixes things

[06:44:59]

promacuser (promacuser!n=promacus@216-80-50-7.hnc-bsr1.chi-hnc.il.cable.rcn.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:45:18]

promacuser:

i have a stupid question for anyone who is available.

[06:45:19]

DVBMark:

works great

[06:45:24]

** warthog9 goes to track down a keyboard **

[06:45:26]

DVBMark:

Sweetness man

[06:45:33]

kormoc:

DVBMark, you're welcome :)

[06:45:35]

DVBMark:

so how would I make the mouse work, should it be working in x

[06:45:49]

xris:

warthog9: fyi, that's the "aspect ratio" key

[06:45:53]

kormoc:

it should just work, in the frontend, there's an setting to hide the mouse

[06:45:55]

DVBMark:

or do I need to tell X to use lirc somehow

[06:45:59]

kormoc:

turn that off and you should see the cursor

[06:46:02]

DVBMark:

ahh maybe that is it will look

[06:46:03]

promacuser:

and if anyone is running .20: what happened to the settings section to change the skip forward and backward amounts?

[06:46:08]

warthog9:

xris- don't think I ever mapped that

[06:46:20]

warthog9:

xris- to my remote anyway

[06:46:23]

kormoc:

nah, the mouse + keyboard is registered as a normal usb input device, only the remote buttons on the side of the keyboard need lirc

[06:46:58]

DVBMark:

works, realized you have to press down on the mouse to move it heh

[06:47:02]

DVBMark:

very nice man

[06:47:13]

kormoc:

yeah, I'm pleased with it :)

[06:47:46]

kormoc:

and now xris is likely slightly meh that he sold his :P

[06:47:49]

DVBMark:

want that patch, I am no programmer, just know how to patch things heh, so dunno how to make cross kernel support, but the patch would allow it to work on 2.6.19 if you want it

[06:47:55]

DVBMark:

I bet heh

[06:47:59]

DVBMark:

neener xris lol

[06:48:27]

kormoc:

sure, fire it away, source (at) kormoc (dotty) com

[06:48:30]

defaultro:

the mpg i created with another tool became larger than AVI, is that correcT?

[06:48:43]

kormoc:

defaultro, depends on your settings, it could, aye

[06:48:48]

warthog9:

xris- nope, didn't fix it. The image seems to be stretched vertically in a very odd way

[06:48:51]

xris:

DVBMark: huh?

[06:49:10]

xris:

warthog9: did it do anything?

[06:49:30]

DVBMark:

xris just giving u a hard time for getting rid of your mce kbd lol

[06:49:48]

xris:

DVBMark: oh. yeah, I need mine for bios config occasionally, etc.

[06:49:53]

xris:

glad it works for you guys, though

[06:50:09]

kormoc:

heh, fair nuff

[06:50:18]

kormoc:

I need the bios so rarely that it works well enough

[06:50:33]

warthog9:

xris- basically what I'm seeing on the screen is only the top chunk of the video stream, on top of that I'm not getting audio anymore either. When I hit 'w' it took that top half of the screen and did approriate stretching on it to flip between 4:3/16:9 and such but I never got the bottom half of the video

[06:50:38]

xris:

kormoc: grub, etc

[06:50:44]

shellshark:

is there a decent Asterisk integration module for MythTV?

[06:51:01]

xris:

warthog9: and it only does that for video playback?

[06:51:03]

shellshark:

is mythphone usable?

[06:51:06]

promacuser:

am i just missing it? does anyone else change the skip times in the setup?

[06:51:07]

kormoc:

xris, ahh, I just have grub use a fallback, so if it fails to boot, it auto boots the old kernel

[06:51:26]

GeeVee (GeeVee!n=mythtv@bas7-ottawa23-1088831861.dsl.bell.ca) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[06:51:27]

kormoc:

shellshark, it's the only one

[06:51:35]

shellshark:

kormoc: have you used it?

[06:51:39]

kormoc:

nopers

[06:51:41]

shellshark:

ah

[06:51:44]

DVBMark:

I have another wifi kbd/mouse combo if I have to do that but usually once setup don't have to get back in and I remove the kbd

[06:51:47]

warthog9:

xris- it's doing it in both mythvideo and mythrecordings, only on playback. When selecting the recording to watch the small window seems to play the stream correctly (you can at least see the full frame as far as I can tell)

[06:52:18]

Dagmar:

Wow

[06:52:32]

Dagmar:

I begin to think we need a passcode to protect scheduling new recording items

[06:52:33]

DVBMark:

kormoc, sent away. Thanks again for sharing this with me. If you make any changes let me know please. I will let ya know if I have any probs, just for info purposes, not complaints LMAO

[06:52:55]

Dagmar:

My gf managed to make my myth box keep every damn Family Guy that's aired since mid-November

[06:52:58]

kormoc:

kk, you're quite welcome

[06:53:00]

Dagmar:

No damn WONDER I'm out of disk spac

[06:53:09]

shellshark:

Dagmar: girlfriend/wife deleting your skinimax recordings

[06:53:14]

kormoc:

DVBMark, I submitted my patches to the offical source tree, we'll see if they get accepted

[06:53:18]

warthog9:

xris- when in playback and pulling up the exit menu or something, it's off screen and can't be seen. Also in retrospect the mini-preview doesn't show the full frame either. It shows more of it but it is definately not the full frame

[06:53:23]

shellshark:

heh

[06:53:25]

DVBMark:

that would be great if they incorporate it

[06:53:35]

shellshark:

Dagmar: family guy is great ;)

[06:53:43]

defaultro:

kormoc, I used this but looks like an invalid mpg was created. mencoder 171_7132.AVI -oac lavc -ovc lavc -nosound -of mpeg -o video1.mpg

[06:53:50]

DVBMark:

now I have to get mythbrowser setup heh, gotta see it in action lol

[06:54:02]

xris:

warthog9: almost sounds like you're zoomed in via X, but that isn't the case if things work fine in some areas of mythtv/x

[06:54:03]

Dagmar:

shellshark: Nope. Girlfriend apparently not realizing that if you make one entry that's supposed to retain a max of 10 recordings, then you'd better modify THAT one if you want to add other time slots, instead of making three *more* similar entries

[06:54:22]

warthog9:

xris- agreed, the normal menus look and act fine, it's just the video

[06:54:24]

shellshark:

Dagmar: hahaha

[06:55:46]

xris:

warthog9: video driver get updated, maybe?

[06:55:49]

noddan (noddan!n=noddan@noddan-birger.brj.sgsnet.se) has quit ()

[06:56:00]

warthog9:

xris- checking it out right now

[06:56:08]

noddan (noddan!n=noddan@noddan-birger.brj.sgsnet.se) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:56:18]

Paladine:

well I best get some sleep now everything is fixed and working :)

[06:56:20]

Paladine:

night folks

[06:56:40]

shellshark:

night

[06:57:33]

Paladine:

how can I make the epg font smaller?

[06:57:58]

DVBMark:

heh man kormoc this is awesome heh glad you guys talked me into getting this kbd/remote lol

[06:58:08]

Speedy2:

DVBMark: Which keyboard/remote did you get again?

[06:58:14]

kormoc:

:)

[06:58:26]

promacuser:

sorry to be so annoying, but did .20 get rid of the setup functions for changing the skip ahead and behind times?

[06:58:37]

DVBMark:

the Microsux MCE IR Keyboard and the same Remote/IR Blaster

[06:58:53]

Paladine:

kormoc, do you know if it is possible to make the epg font smaller?

[06:59:01]

Paladine:

the osd sorry

[06:59:16]

DVBMark:

couldn't find anyone that had the ir blaster with the keyboard or I woulda just got it, so had to buy the remote/blaster seperate from the keyboard, but all is good, nice remote, will program it into my harmony

[06:59:20]

kormoc:

Paladine, if you could, it'd be in the frontend settings, but I don't think I've seen such an option

[07:01:12]

sandeen (sandeen!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[07:01:31]

Paladine:

the font is huge with my mythfrontend at 720x576 on a 1280x1024 display

[07:02:03]

warthog9:

xris- looks like something related to the goram frelling ati video driver

[07:02:06]

Paladine:

only shows a small amount of the of actual info cos the font is too big and it cuts all the channel names too

[07:02:14]

xris:

warthog9: doesn't surprise me

[07:02:23]

warthog9:

xris- beating it back into adjustment restored sound and video

[07:02:43]

** warthog9 again REALLY wants to like ATI's hardware, but is continually let down with their drivers **

[07:03:57]

Paladine:

anyway night :)

[07:09:28]

nicksconfused (nicksconfused!n=root@cpe-76-186-175-176.tx.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:10:55]

xris:

warthog9: ati and linux don't get along

[07:11:02]

DVBMark:

very much diggin this kormoc heh, I mean I was running a kbd before but that is all I had lol, now I got the kbd/mouse and remote all in one plus my other of course lol soo freakin nice

[07:11:09]

warthog9:

xris- s/linux/software/

[07:11:25]

xris:

warthog9: never had much trouble with it in windows

[07:11:30]

warthog9:

xris- I have several ATI cards that ati still doesn't have working drivers for (after 5 years of work)

[07:11:53]

DVBMark:

let me know if that patch didn't come through or if it is wrong

[07:11:54]

warthog9:

xris- for instance, an ati tv-wonder card in windows xp, ati's driver invariably will blue screen winxp within minutes if I try to watch tv with it

[07:12:13]

warthog9:

xris- been that way since I bought the card, about the same time xp came out

[07:12:41]

xris:

you have me there. never tried to use a tuner/video card combo like that.

[07:14:28]

warthog9:

xris- the tv-wonder is JUST the tuner

[07:14:38]

warthog9:

xris- the all-in-wonder is the video + tuner

[07:15:11]

xris:

oh, I read "all"

[07:15:17]

promacuser (promacuser!n=promacus@216-80-50-7.hnc-bsr1.chi-hnc.il.cable.rcn.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[07:16:48]

kormoc:

DVBMark, it came though, I'll have to poke at it later

[07:17:25]

DVBMark:

no big deal kormoc, just trying to help heh. like I said, not a programmer by any means. I am sure there is a way to make it work with older and newer kernels

[07:18:31]

nuonguy (nuonguy!n=john@c-24-6-175-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit ("Leaving.")

[07:20:39]

warthog9:

xris- ok, try this one and see if you can suggest something. Playing a movie from mplayer on the machine, I'll get audio. Playing either live tv or playing a recording – the sound is still gone. I'm playing through spdif (which has worked...)

[07:21:26]

xris:

no clue

[07:23:20]

kazer__ (kazer__!n=kazer@64.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:23:46]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@40.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[07:36:28]

DVBMark:

kormoc still around?

[07:36:38]

kormoc:

aye

[07:37:11]

DVBMark:

think it is locking up. trying mythbrowser and went to log into my website and seems that r or backspace wasn't working

[07:37:25]

kormoc:

hrm

[07:37:34]

kormoc:

can you try in a term and see if works?

[07:37:37]

DVBMark:

and tried getting out and it didn't seem responsive. went with a regular kbd to try and get in and check those keys and it seems stuck, bout to restart fe to test

[07:37:42]

DVBMark:

ya 1 sec

[07:37:47]

kormoc:

ahh

[07:37:51]

kormoc:

hrm

[07:38:05]

DVBMark:

term r and backspace works

[07:38:06]

kormoc:

how many keypresses do you think you did? 100? 500? 50?

[07:38:09]

DVBMark:

so maybe it is just me with myth

[07:38:22]

kormoc:

it might be a focus issue

[07:38:25]

DVBMark:

lmao umm err total since I started running heh? maybe 100 prob

[07:38:27]

kormoc:

do you have a window manager?

[07:38:30]

DVBMark:

no

[07:38:33]

kormoc:

ahh!

[07:38:35]

DVBMark:

just basic xorg

[07:38:38]

DVBMark:

well I take that back

[07:38:40]

kormoc:

it was likely a focus issue then

[07:38:45]

DVBMark:

I did install kde-dev for mythbrowser

[07:38:59]

kormoc:

well, if you're not running a WM, it doesn't matter if it's installed or not

[07:38:59]

DVBMark:

sorry for the misunderstanding but what do you mean by focus issue?

[07:39:04]

DVBMark:

k

[07:39:09]

DVBMark:

ya nothing is installed

[07:39:11]

kormoc:

basically, myth's frontend still had focus

[07:39:11]

DVBMark:

wm wise

[07:39:26]

kormoc:

so while the other window was on top, the frontend was still getting the key pressses

[07:39:28]

DVBMark:

k, well using mythbrowser isn't still using mythfrontend?

[07:39:37]

DVBMark:

I understand that

[07:39:51]

DVBMark:

so even though it was a plugin through myth it still acts as another app

[07:39:52]

kormoc:

mythbrowser launches a windowed browser to do the rendering

[07:39:56]

DVBMark:

k

[07:39:58]

** kormoc nods **

[07:40:03]

DVBMark:

makes sense

[07:40:07]

DVBMark:

so

[07:40:08]

DVBMark:

heh

[07:40:20]

kormoc:

I use LWM which is a very lightweight window manager

[07:40:22]

DVBMark:

anything that can be done, on my end on that or will alt-tab prob do it

[07:40:26]

kormoc:

others use evilwm and similar

[07:40:34]

kormoc:

alt tab relys on the window manager :P

[07:40:35]

DVBMark:

or should I put a wm on

[07:40:37]

DVBMark:

and that help

[07:40:49]

kormoc:

having a WM should just fix it, aye

[07:40:58]

DVBMark:

k will try, thanks

[07:41:02]

** kormoc nods **

[07:41:07]

DVBMark:

one other stupid question that u prob can't answer

[07:41:27]

DVBMark:

any way to control sensitivity of the trackpoint? it is one of those all or nothing or snails pace not a in between heh

[07:41:47]

kormoc:

yeah, there's no way to do it

[07:41:59]

kormoc:

the hardware itself is limited to what values it can output

[07:42:24]

DVBMark:

no prob not like I will use the mouse often but just for playing with the browser and such

[07:42:29]

DVBMark:

will check out the wm now

[07:43:46]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kromoc@pool-71-164-10-252.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[07:45:11]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kromoc@pool-71-164-10-252.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:45:58]

xris (xris!n=xris@xris.forevermore.net) has quit ("Leaving.")

[07:46:59]

DVBMark:

ok more stupid questions, I am not an xorg kinda guy lol. I installed lvm and restarted x, and instead of the no wm default screen I was getting I get a red cursor now and nothing else. can't seem to right click or anything, so either way I assume I am running lvm.? ran myth and browser and still have the r and backspace issue, but all other keys seem fine? am I for sure running the wm or do I need to specify it in a .xsession file

[07:46:59]

DVBMark:

or something?

[07:47:03]

DVBMark:

sorry for the ignorant questions

[07:47:27]

kormoc:

red cursor is LWM aye, so you're running it fine

[07:47:34]

DVBMark:

k cool

[07:47:38]

kormoc:

as for the r or backspace not working, that's crazy

[07:47:48]

** kormoc ponders **

[07:47:52]

DVBMark:

lmao let me make sure it works in myth alone like in the setup section

[07:48:11]

DVBMark:

yup

[07:48:15]

DVBMark:

let me run browser again

[07:48:57]

DVBMark:

lmao r and backspace don't work lol let me check all keys heh

[07:49:13]

kormoc:

well, I'll try installing it tomorrow perhaps, see if it works on mine

[07:49:20]

DVBMark:

d don't work either lol

[07:49:45]

DVBMark:

k now hear this heh

[07:49:49]

DVBMark:

I think it has to do with mapping?

[07:50:06]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kromoc@pool-71-164-10-252.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer))

[07:50:08]

DVBMark:

cuz going through the alphabet, I came across I, and it tried to bring up the Info seciton for entering a URL

[07:50:09]

DVBMark:

doh

[07:50:21]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kromoc@pool-71-164-10-252.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:50:29]

kormoc:

heh, well, this isn't working so well

[07:50:30]

DVBMark:

heh let me repeat that, having isp issues lol

[07:50:34]

kormoc:

nah

[07:50:37]

kormoc:

windows issues

[07:50:44]

DVBMark:

eww windows lol

[07:50:49]

kormoc:

booted into windows to do the mssql tuning, and it's not liking xchat

[07:50:51]

DVBMark:

what was last thing you saw me type lmao

[07:50:57]

kormoc:

d wasn't working

[07:51:02]

DVBMark:

heh why u need windows to do mysql tuning?

[07:51:07]

DVBMark:

or is mssql something else

[07:51:11]

kormoc:

MSSQL Microsoft SQL Server

[07:51:15]

DVBMark:

I see

[07:51:16]

DVBMark:

k

[07:51:17]

DVBMark:

heh

[07:51:29]

kormoc:

but hey, people pay me to do it, so c'est la vie

[07:51:45]

DVBMark:

well I came across I and it brought up the Info for opening a url, and hit M and it brought up another menu, so I am guessing it is a mapping thing

[07:51:57]

kormoc:

ahh, could be, aye

[07:52:08]

kormoc:

I'm not very familar with mythbrowser

[07:52:08]

DVBMark:

lol I use windows at work and for my game system so no worries just wondering why masta programmer like yourself is using windows heh

[07:52:14]

DVBMark:

np but betting that is it

[07:52:20]

DVBMark:

so now to figure that out lol

[07:52:32]

The_Ball (The_Ball!n=alex@58.163.133.167) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:52:38]

DVBMark:

how do they expect u to browse the web if their keys override LOL

[07:52:49]

kormoc:

heh, god only knows

[07:53:01]

DVBMark:

so most likely the module is still 100% heh

[07:53:12]

kormoc:

welp, I'm gonna close this as it keeps dieing anyway, so I'll be around tomorrow

[07:53:19]

kormoc:

g'luck with it! :)

[07:53:22]

DVBMark:

np man, thanks again

[07:53:30]

DVBMark:

need to get to bed myself anyways heh

[07:53:43]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kromoc@pool-71-164-10-252.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Client Quit)

[07:59:01]

DVBMark:

even though he is gone, for any that was paying attention. F1 toggles between keyboard input and Myth Commands

[08:01:04]

simcop2387 (simcop2387!n=simcop23@p3m/member/simcop2387) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[08:05:17]

kazer__ (kazer__!n=kazer@64.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[08:05:19]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@226.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:06:30]

periscope (periscope!n=periscop@74-140-4-198.dhcp.insightbb.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:32:53]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@226.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[08:33:17]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@64.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:44:51]

robthebob (robthebob!n=rn114@82-46-18-118.cable.ubr02.bath.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:48:56]

Jack3 (Jack3!n=Jack3@pool-71-115-212-12.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out))

[08:50:25]

VibroMax (VibroMax!n=phisto@83.229.70.154) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:55:55]

kazer__ (kazer__!n=kazer@95.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:56:56]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@64.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[09:06:06]

nicksconfused (nicksconfused!n=root@cpe-76-186-175-176.tx.res.rr.com) has quit ("Leaving")

[09:14:47]

kazer__ (kazer__!n=kazer@95.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Connection timed out)

[09:15:20]

kazer__ (kazer__!n=kazer@235.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:26:50]

topping_ (topping_!n=topping@207.47.6.182.static.nextweb.net) has quit ()

[09:39:08]

nuonguy (nuonguy!n=john@c-24-6-175-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:43:32]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@218.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:45:18]

kazer__ (kazer__!n=kazer@235.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[09:49:19]

Merlin83b (Merlin83b!n=Merlin83@office.34sp.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:53:36]

frink_:

happy near year folks!

[09:53:39]

rsdvd (rsdvd!n=rsdvd@rsdvd1.plus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:59:59]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@218.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[10:12:22]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@32.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:27:57]

tripppy (tripppy!n=u@c220-237-85-232.kelvn1.qld.optusnet.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:31:15]

hashbang (hashbang!n=nosuch@213-152-35-50.dsl.eclipse.net.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:41:04]

pilly (pilly!n=not@d142-59-152-252.abhsia.telus.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:42:22]

pilly:

if I want to upgrade from .20 to svn do I need to do anything besides compile and make install?

[10:42:35]

pilly:

will the db remain intact?

[10:43:03]

thufir007 (thufir007!n=thufir@S01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:43:25]

pilly:

and one other question... would it be worth it??

[10:48:23]

Merlin83b:

db will remain intact, yes.

[10:48:25]

Merlin83b:

Backup anyway!

[10:51:13]

pilly:

I'm reinstalling my frontend (hd failure on old sys) I'm just wondering if this would be the time to switch to svn on the backend as well, from what I understand the protocol changed.

[10:52:00]

pilly:

ok... thanks....

[10:53:13]

Peggerrr:

hey there I am having the weirdest problem. My mythtv worked when I was at my home and then I moved and now all I get to get wintv cards is stattic. Even if I use the cable that just came out of the tv

[10:54:15]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@32.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[10:54:55]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@32.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:00:56]

rosh1182 (rosh1182!n=rosh1182@015-907-650.area5.spcsdns.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:03:16]

quicksilver:

what is the preferred way of running multiple tuners from a single RF source? do people use active splitters? I've heard some people say that cheap active splitters may be worse than useless?

[11:05:54]

rosh1182 (rosh1182!n=rosh1182@015-907-650.area5.spcsdns.net) has quit (Client Quit)

[11:09:07]

qu0zl:

if the signal is good enough in the first place a passive splitter should be fine. I've got 2 splitters inside my aprtment before it gets into a tuner. One in the wall near the enterance, and one inside the pvr500

[11:09:33]

qu0zl:

if the signal is borderline then you'll just make it worse. Give it a go and hope ;)

[11:11:14]

quicksilver:

qu0zl: at the moment I'm using a cheap active splitter

[11:11:19]

quicksilver:

qu0zl: my signal is VERY weak

[11:11:24]

quicksilver:

qu0zl: some channels I can't get :(

[11:11:45]

quicksilver:

qu0zl: but empirically I know that the active splitter isn't making things worse, I compared to a direct connection

[11:11:52]

qu0zl:

problem with active splitters is they amplify noise as well as signal

[11:12:00]

** quicksilver nods **

[11:12:01]

qu0zl:

so the SNR doesn't really improve by much

[11:12:27]

qu0zl:

any kind of splitter will make things worse, i think if the signal into your location is that bad in the first place then you're in trouble

[11:12:27]

quicksilver:

I need my rooftop aerial repointing or replacing, I know

[11:12:33]

qu0zl:

exactly ;)

[11:13:27]

quicksilver:

technically I'm not in a DVB reception area

[11:13:36]

quicksilver:

however, many people in my town do in fact receive DVB

[11:13:51]

quicksilver:

my old set-top box had a slightly better tuner than my PCI card tuners, alas

[11:14:11]

qu0zl:

yeah i've seen that myself, get a decent picture with one tuner and crap with another

[11:14:16]

qu0zl:

even from the same manufacturer

[11:14:18]

shellshark:

as a general rule of thumb, expect to lose roughly 1dB of signal level for every break you make in the line (splitter, coupler, wall jack, etc)

[11:14:42]

qu0zl:

that's better than i expected shellshark , i thought splitters were about 3dB

[11:14:45]

shellshark:

at least with RG-6 and RG-59

[11:15:01]

qu0zl:

good thing too, as my mini-pci tuner arrived today so i need another splitter ;)

[11:15:17]

** quicksilver nods **

[11:15:34]

quicksilver:

my active splitter is a 1–4 active splitter

[11:15:50]

shellshark:

you'll also want to keep the cable as short as you can (dont leave a 50ft service loop bundled in the corner of the room), as this will cut down on attenuation

[11:15:53]

quicksilver:

even ignoring the amplification that might be better than 3 daisy chained 1–2s, mightn'it it?

[11:16:27]

shellshark:

i've never used active splitters for CATV...

[11:16:42]

shellshark:

my background is LMR400/600/900 cabling ;)

[11:16:47]

qu0zl:

me too shellshark

[11:17:16]

qu0zl:

can you get a better antenna/cabling to the roof quicksilver? Or is it a rented property?

[11:17:27]

quicksilver:

qu0zl: it's my house, I can get the antenna fixed

[11:17:47]

quicksilver:

qu0zl: I just need to find an antenna specialist who won't go cross-eyed looking at my myth setup ;)

[11:18:06]

quicksilver:

qu0zl: I can't even see the cabling (I looked in the attic)

[11:18:09]

qu0zl:

hehe, i've got them to install PoE mini computers on the side of my house. They'll do anything for money ;)

[11:18:16]

quicksilver:

PoE?

[11:18:22]

qu0zl:

power over ethernet

[11:18:52]

** quicksilver nods **

[11:19:06]

quicksilver:

it may be as simple as my antenaa is pointed hte wrong way

[11:19:22]

quicksilver:

the nearest analogue transmitter is in a different director from the nearest digital

[11:19:35]

quicksilver:

although looking from outside the house it's not more than about 15-degrees off

[11:19:37]

shellshark:

quicksilver: if you have an older house, chances are you're running on RG-59... pull that crap out and replace it with RG-6 ;)

[11:19:40]

rsdvd:

qu0zl : what PoE computers were they?

[11:19:46]

quicksilver:

shellshark: actually that's my hope

[11:19:49]

qu0zl:

soekris rsdvd

[11:20:00]

quicksilver:

shellshark: I'm hoping it's crap cable because that at least is easily remedied

[11:20:17]

quicksilver:

is 15-degrees off likely to be a big problem?

[11:20:24]

shellshark:

qu0zl: why would you need a soekris board on the side of your house? :)

[11:20:41]

qu0zl:

connected to a omni on the roof, to save about 50 foot of lmr400 cabling :)

[11:20:42]

shellshark:

quicksilver: depends on the gain and polarization

[11:20:57]

qu0zl:

i used to live in a very old victorian house, so it was stupidly tall

[11:21:08]

shellshark:

qu0zl: what's the total distance of the cable run?

[11:21:22]

shellshark:

qu0zl: you're only supposed to run LMR400 up to 75 feet

[11:21:34]

qu0zl:

exactly, so it improved from about 60foot to 50 foot

[11:21:40]

qu0zl:

10 foot even

[11:21:50]

shellshark:

ah

[11:21:50]

qu0zl:

which was worth a few dB

[11:21:56]

shellshark:

sure

[11:22:07]

qu0zl:

plus it was a fun project :)

[11:22:16]

shellshark:

you'll save a BUNCH more by replacing it with LMR900 >:)

[11:22:32]

shellshark:

it's only ~$4/foot ;-)

[11:22:52]

qu0zl:

:) it was probably worth about 1/3rd of a dB over the 10 foot or some such if i remember right

[11:22:55]

qu0zl:

this was years ago

[11:23:06]

quicksilver:

this house is two stories high + attic

[11:23:11]

quicksilver:

quite low stories though

[11:23:13]

qu0zl:

i was too imnpatient to wait for the better stuff to come from the US and went with the lmr400 ;)

[11:23:21]

quicksilver:

and for all I know there could be loops and loops of spare cable inside the wall

[11:23:23]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@32.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[11:23:29]

kazer__ (kazer__!n=kazer@77.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:23:37]

shellshark:

qu0zl: hehe

[11:23:42]

qu0zl:

either way quicksilver, better cabling should make a big difference if it's a borderline signal

[11:23:50]

shellshark:

quicksilver: indeed

[11:24:20]

pilly (pilly!n=not@d142-59-152-252.abhsia.telus.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[11:25:39]

quicksilver:

qu0zl: thanks, that's fairly reassuring

[11:25:49]

** quicksilver will have to look through the phone book for antenna specialists **

[11:26:05]

shellshark:

man

[11:26:09]

shellshark:

do it yourself

[11:26:18]

qu0zl:

ask for prices from a few different ones, if they're anything like here some of them charge 50% more than others :)

[11:26:39]

shellshark:

or find some fat HAM radio operator to move in to your attic and maintain your cabling for food

[11:26:44]

qu0zl:

hehe

[11:26:55]

** shellshark grins evilly **

[11:27:09]

quicksilver:

shellshark: no way? me climb up on a 600-year old roof?

[11:27:15]

quicksilver:

not a chance

[11:27:30]

quicksilver:

I don't even have a ladder that long

[11:27:37]

quicksilver:

cheaper to hire someone than buy a ladder :P

[11:27:51]

shellshark:

quicksilver: 600ft?!

[11:28:01]

shellshark:

quicksilver: that's about 10 stories ;)

[11:28:05]

quicksilver:

shellshark: 600 year old, not 600ft

[11:28:09]

shellshark:

ah

[11:28:10]

quicksilver:

shellshark: reed more carefully :)

[11:28:11]

shellshark:

doh ;)

[11:28:15]

shellshark:

*nods*

[11:28:27]

shellshark:

been about a week since i've gotten any decent sleep...

[11:28:30]

shellshark:

pardon me ;)

[11:28:53]

qu0zl:

quicksilver, make sure he has decent cabling to put in btw. You might need to supply it, i dunno. You certainly would with the wireless type cabling

[11:29:26]

shellshark:

quicksilver: OR

[11:29:44]

shellshark:

quicksilver: upgrade to digital cable and get a QAM-capable tuner card :)

[11:31:10]

quicksilver:

qu0zl: how would i know what was decent cabling?

[11:31:25]

quicksilver:

shellshark: why would I pay for TV when we get perfectly decent TV for free? :)

[11:31:35]

quicksilver:

actually I'm not sure if I'm in a cable area at all, I suspect not

[11:31:46]

shellshark:

quicksilver: because your "perfectly decent" isnt so decent? :)

[11:32:06]

shellshark:

quicksilver: get a DVB-S card + satellite? :)

[11:32:09]

quicksilver:

shellshark: 's'good enough for me. I don't watch much as it is

[11:32:30]

quicksilver:

doctor who, torchwood, the simpsons, just about does me :)

[11:36:10]

shellshark:

simpsons, family guy, american dad, futurama, south park, aqua teen hunger force, robot chicken, american chopper....

[11:36:18]

shellshark:

that's my ideal lineup :)

[11:36:40]

shellshark:

oh yeah, and "married with children"

[11:36:49]

shellshark:

al bundy's my hero

[11:37:40]

quicksilver:

http://www.ukfree.tv/txdetail.php?a=TQ339712

[11:37:48]

quicksilver:

you can see how far I am from my transmitter

[11:37:52]

quicksilver:

and that I'm just out of the official range

[11:37:55]

quicksilver:

(I'm in chelmsford)

[11:43:04]

splat1 (splat1!n=splat1@cpc2-leic7-0-0-cust281.lei3.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:46:18]

qu0zl:

quicksilver, rg6 then rg11 are increasingly better, and more expensive tv cable. rg59 is the really old crap

[11:46:44]

shellshark:

i've never used rg11

[11:47:02]

qu0zl:

me neither

[11:47:05]

qu0zl:

:)

[11:47:19]

qu0zl:

i've got analogue cable tv, so it's all good signal wise

[11:49:55]

quicksilver:

thanks for all the help, anyhow. I shall get some quotations. Roughly how much would you expect for pay for a new antenna and new wiring in a 2 story house?

[11:51:16]

qu0zl:

i don't know quicksilver, the type of wiring i got done was just a cable down the side of the house and in through a small hole i drilled. I even provided the cable! Still cost me 80 euros a few years back

[11:51:25]

qu0zl:

i'd say your job will be bigger :(

[11:51:45]

kazer__ (kazer__!n=kazer@77.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[11:51:55]

kazer__ (kazer__!n=kazer@77.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:52:02]

shellshark:

quicksilver: where are you located?

[11:52:23]

jared555 (jared555!n=jared555@dialup-4.252.193.212.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[11:52:31]

rsdvd:

[11:52:38]

jared555 (jared555!n=jared555@dialup-4.159.98.90.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:52:49]

shellshark:

brb

[11:53:11]

shellshark (shellshark!n=x86@p3m/member/x86) has quit ("Teh new kernal!!!1!eleven BRBKTHX")

[11:53:30]

quicksilver:

rsdvd: awesome :)

[11:54:12]

rsdvd:

I would really recommend the guy, but I am in Nottingham and I doubt he will go all the way to Chelmsford to install an aerial :-)

[11:54:40]

rsdvd:

yell.com is your friend.....phone different poeple and play them off agaisnt each other

[11:58:48]

croppa (croppa!n=stuart@135.27.233.220.exetel.com.au) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[12:09:28]

quicksilver:

rsdvd: yup, I just got a list from yell

[12:09:33]

quicksilver:

rsdvd: several in my area, in fact

[12:14:33]

tripppy:

can i troubleshot mythweb here?

[12:15:03]

Merlin83b:

Depends on the problem, tripppy. If it's an apache config thing you might get shouted at :)

[12:16:37]

quicksilver:

there remains a slight danger of getting shouted at whatever you say, this is IRC after all

[12:16:50]

quicksilver:

although to be fair juski doesn't seem to be up yet this year :P

[12:18:07]

Merlin83b:

Hehe

[12:18:38]

Merlin83b:

Well I wasn't going to name names...

[12:20:16]

kazer__ (kazer__!n=kazer@77.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[12:20:55]

kazer__ (kazer__!n=kazer@77.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:24:45]

MaaxNixx (MaaxNixx!n=michal@24-51-92-117.kntnny.adelphia.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:25:10]

change008 (change008!n=change@c2-169-1.mid.dial.mweb.co.za) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:26:11]

change008:

hi all

[12:26:39]

tripppy:

Merlin83b, um well i can access the apache server but when i go to login it doesnt let me. root:password

[12:27:00]

Merlin83b:

Did you create a .htacces/.htpasswd combo?

[12:27:04]

change008:

im runing FC6 and did a yum nstall lame,but when i run ./configure it tells me that i need lame mp3 encoder,is this right what i did?

[12:27:07]

Merlin83b:

.htaccess, even.

[12:27:21]

Merlin83b:

change008: You need lame-devel or whatever it's called.

[12:27:57]

change008:

oh ok

[12:28:09]

x86 (x86!n=x86@p3m/member/x86) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:30:03]

Neeesat25 (Neeesat25!n=neosat@87.228.216.119) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:31:09]

scopeuk (scopeuk!n=Scope@cpc2-mfld2-0-0-cust20.nott.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:32:16]

tripppy:

Merlin83b, what port will it default too? 80?

[12:32:37]

Merlin83b:

Yes, apache uses port 80...

[12:33:11]

juski__ (juski__!i=3eadcd22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-b02465ac3edc9936) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:33:20]

** juski__ is awake **

[12:34:03]

juski__:

never mind naming names, I speak how I find and if anyone finds that offensive, hard luck :)

[12:34:17]

jduggan_:

...

[12:35:08]

juski__:

anyway someone can always yell at me for forgetting to re-open my router's port forwarding after NYE's 'fun' :-P Estupiduser in full effect

[12:36:10]

Neeesat25:

I just bought NOVA DVB-S plus 2 but I cant install it.

[12:36:24]

tripppy:

Merlin83b, can u help?

[12:36:37]

Neeesat25:

It has conexant cx23880/1/2/3

[12:37:37]

change008:

can i ask X10 questions in here aswell or is theer a channel fro that?

[12:38:05]

juski__:

change008 – since mythtv doesn't have an x10 control plugin ....

[12:39:01]

Neeesat25:

Anyone using such a card?

[12:40:33]

tripppy (tripppy!n=u@c220-237-85-232.kelvn1.qld.optusnet.com.au) has quit ()

[12:41:16]

change008:

how do u mean it doesnt have a control plugin juski_?

[12:42:03]

juski__:

I mean there's no X10 software built into mythtv or any of its plugins

[12:42:46]

juski__:

so any questions you ask about it will be off-topic and folks might not be able to give answers

[12:43:25]

Ryushin (Ryushin!i=proxy@windwalker.openinnovations.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[12:45:56]

change008:

how do i access the webinterface after installing mythtv?

[12:46:26]

juski__:

how do you open a webpage?

[12:46:40]

rsdvd:

lol

[12:46:51]

change008:

heh

[12:46:52]

change008:

ok

[12:47:22]

change008:

is there a specific port on localhost when i OPEN my BROWSER?

[12:48:03]

quicksilver:

depends how you set up mythweb, or if you set it up at all

[12:48:13]

quicksilver:

myth doesn't have a 'built-in' web interface, rather it's a plugin

[12:48:21]

quicksilver:

(written in PHP, I think?)

[12:48:26]

juski__:

Neeesat25: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_devices_DVB-S

[12:48:44]

quicksilver:

so you can set up on on a given port or path depending how you configure your web server

[12:48:52]

k-man (k-man!n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[12:49:05]

rsdvd:

change008 : are you talking about myth's web interface (MythWeb) or your X10's interface?

[12:49:08]

k-man (k-man!n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:49:15]

juski__:

oh noes! it never has to be configured – that'd mean some user intervention & reading some docs!

[12:49:34]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@103.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:49:37]

kazer__ (kazer__!n=kazer@77.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[12:49:44]

change008:

ok no its kewl thanx quicksilver,havent dl'ed the plugins yet,i thought its built in

[12:49:56]

change008:

sorry im not as smart as juski_

[12:50:08]

quicksilver:

change008: no one is

[12:50:21]

quicksilver:

change008: the rest of us just have to come to terms with it

[12:50:22]

juski__:

ffs

[12:50:28]

quicksilver:

:)

[12:50:44]

change008:

heh

[12:50:52]

juski__:

I dunno wtf I even bother

[12:51:27]

change008:

wif what juski_?

[12:51:46]

rsdvd:

juski : in a vain atempt to keep on-topic and stop a flame war........did you manage to shrink the memory needed for your theme?

[12:51:48]

Max0 (Max0!n=mythtv@host86-128-47-200.range86-128.btcentralplus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:52:17]

juski__:

er.. www.juski.co.uk

[12:53:08]

Max0:

juski got it sorted last night

[12:53:14]

Max0:

thanks a lot for all the help

[12:53:29]

juski__:

if I could log in to my home machine it'd all be deleted by now, so enjoy the themes while they're still up

[12:53:38]

rsdvd:

juski : you must have been busy over the Xmas break

[12:53:43]

juski__:

no shit

[12:54:50]

Neeesat25:

juski: Is it supported in current kernel?

[12:55:08]

juski__:

Neeesat25: I don't know. YOU do the research

[12:55:52]

juski__:

'current' kernel could mean lots of things. current on Ubuntu Dapper is like 2.6.15, which is far from the latest

[12:56:48]

Neeesat25:

I use 2.6.19

[12:57:16]

juski__:

if it's not in the list at that wiki, it's not likely to be supported, but it very well might be. do some digging

[12:57:35]

quicksilver:

search the mailing list archives for the linux-dvb list too

[12:57:43]

Neeesat25:

it is the list but no info or links for drivers

[12:57:52]

juski__:

links for drivers?

[12:59:17]

Neeesat25:

I mean which module driver to use etc

[13:01:06]

juski__:

cx88_dvb, more than likely

[13:01:14]

GreyFoxx:

Neeesat25: try #dvb, they might know specifically

[13:01:19]

rsdvd:

juski : that S100 on your site look interesting? any idea where you can get one?

[13:01:19]

juski__:

or ask in #linuxtv

[13:01:32]

juski__:

rsdvd: ebay

[13:01:46]

Neeesat25:

Thanks

[13:02:40]

juski__:

after some quick googling, I found some info which might help you Neeesat25

[13:03:04]

juski__:

a 2.6.14 kernel had to be patched to support the card, so by 2.6.19 it should be included I think

[13:03:12]

juski__:

took all of 30s to find that out.

[13:03:21]

juski__:

what's so blimmin difficult about that?

[13:03:31]

Neeesat25:

Thanks juski I will

[13:03:50]

rsdvd:

:-( can't seem to find any.....looks like it would make a good front-end?

[13:04:03]

juski__:

I have a spare

[13:04:15]

rsdvd:

do you want to sell?

[13:04:36]

change008:

what do tehy go for?

[13:04:36]

juski__:

I'll sell it on the condition I don't have to support it ;)

[13:04:46]

rsdvd:

lol

[13:05:11]

rsdvd:

does it make a good frontend? is it powerfull enough?

[13:05:33]

juski__:

seemed so, certainly enough to impress a lot of people at LugRadioLive last year

[13:05:51]

rsdvd:

do you use one?

[13:05:52]

change008:

why not build ur own?

[13:05:58]

juski__:

nope

[13:06:20]

juski__:

why not build your own SFF PC, in a box smaller than most DVD players, hmmmmm.. now let me think....

[13:07:05]

rsdvd:

change008 : I have built 2 front-ends.......I just want something that looks more like something 'purchased'......even in small cases my frontends are still obvoulsy PCs

[13:07:13]

change008:

ya think about it

[13:07:31]

juski__:

the huge snag with it is that the front panel would need some SERIOUS mods to accomodate a DVD drive

[13:07:38]

change008:

what boards did u use?

[13:07:53]

rsdvd:

depends on price obviosly..........you can build beutifull silent frontends if you spend enough

[13:08:11]

juski__:

change008 look at my site & you'll see the board is all-in-one, totally self contained

[13:08:12]

rsdvd:

I could cope without a DVD, or use a USB

[13:08:31]

juski__:

tv output quality is excellent – RGB scart

[13:09:01]

rsdvd:

sounds perfect.............if you want to sell it send me a pvt message and we can discuss

[13:09:05]

juski__:

another big snag is having to use intel's binary drivers – you're tied to certain versions of kernel & xorg

[13:09:09]

change008:

yar i checked it

[13:09:16]

mtnbkr (mtnbkr!n=mtnbkr@c-71-235-156-61.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:09:28]

Peggerrr:

I had my muthbox working at one location just find and then I moved it to my apartment about 30 miles away and now it does not want to work (all i see is static) I can even get anying except static from /dev/video0 even though I even use the cable that works just in in the tv

[13:09:57]

juski__:

the mood I'm in today, no way. back at work for the 1st time in weeks, thought I'd look in on the logs to see what I'm missing, caught some back-biting comments that got me a tad riled..

[13:10:29]

rsdvd:

I noticed you seemed less than your usual self today

[13:10:43]

change008:

just a tad

[13:11:09]

quicksilver:

juski__: if back-biting comments include mine, I'm genuinely sorry if I caused offence

[13:11:09]

juski__:

folks could at least have the balls to say stuff to me 'face to face'

[13:11:13]

quicksilver:

juski__: I was just joking around

[13:11:37]

juski__:

fair nuff. I'm a touchy bugger at the best of times anyway :-P

[13:11:38]

jblack:

juski: Well, I'll say it to your face, and I don't care what it does to your day.

[13:12:05]

jblack:

I think you're kinda cool. Take _that_ with your morning coffe.

[13:12:26]

juski__:

lol.

[13:12:39]

change008:

http://www.shoeboxcomputers.com/

[13:12:47]

juski__:

well anyway have fun folks.. web irc clients suck

[13:12:55]

juski__:

and remember.. always rtfm :)

[13:13:02]

juski__ (juski__!i=3eadcd22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-b02465ac3edc9936) has quit ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)")

[13:16:15]

x86 (x86!n=x86@p3m/member/x86) has quit ("leaving")

[13:16:24]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@103.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[13:17:29]

ille (ille!n=ille@m671.ktv.nu) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[13:18:56]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@169.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:22:40]

nomego_ (nomego_!i=boink@1-1-13-33a.sh.sth.bostream.se) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:23:20]

x86 (x86!n=x86@p3m/member/x86) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:27:38]

change008:

isit true that knoppmyth erases partitions when using it?

[13:28:43]

melunko (melunko!n=dapper@200.184.118.132) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:33:55]

nomego (nomego!i=boink@1-1-13-33a.sh.sth.bostream.se) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[13:37:57]

Ryushin (Ryushin!i=proxy@windwalker.openinnovations.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:40:49]

cesman:

what?

[13:41:11]

cesman:

no, knoppmyth doesn't not erase paritions when using it

[13:41:24]

Tommck (Tommck!n=Tommck@69.19.21.79) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:41:42]

cesman:

when it installing, it will erase all partition if you do an auto install

[13:41:51]

cesman:

however, you get plenty of warning

[13:42:54]

Tommck (Tommck!n=Tommck@69.19.21.79) has left #mythtv-users ()

[13:47:11]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@169.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[13:47:56]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@169.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:51:10]

cesman:

later folks

[13:57:18]

jonty_ (jonty_!n=jonty@81.168.112.30) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:57:55]

magicrobotmonkey (magicrobotmonkey!n=marvin@c-66-31-1-25.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:00:15]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@169.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[14:00:29]

flatronf701B (flatronf701B!n=flatronf@202.75.186.154) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:02:54]

seth|laptop (seth|laptop!n=sjerome@198.8.33.8) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:03:30]

iresprite (iresprite!n=seraphim@touchstone.usg.tufts.edu) has quit ("Leaving")

[14:08:56]

daniel_bergamini (daniel_bergamini!n=daniel_b@72.173.30.100) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:09:11]

Cardoe (Cardoe!n=Cardoe@gentoo/developer/Cardoe) has quit ("Leaving")

[14:16:48]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@159.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:27:21]

j-rod (j-rod!i=ijarod@nat/redhat/x-9b22515f2a270f76) has quit ("Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0")

[14:28:01]

ivor:

juski: mellowed out yet?

[14:28:13]

magicrobotmonkey (magicrobotmonkey!n=marvin@c-66-31-1-25.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[14:28:32]

sandeen (sandeen!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:28:54]

ivor:

a new years liquid lunch makes the return to work more pleasing I find.

[14:29:02]

change008:

juski_ left

[14:29:35]

sandeen (sandeen!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has quit (Client Quit)

[14:31:11]

ivor:

change008: ah but "juski" didnt, and we know he loves reading logs.

[14:32:34]

change008:

yip heh

[14:40:19]

russK (russK!n=russ@pool-72-75-21-19.washdc.east.verizon.net) has quit ("See ya!")

[14:44:46]

russK (russK!n=russ@pool-72-75-21-19.washdc.east.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:45:16]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@159.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[14:45:59]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@89.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:47:25]

change008 (change008!n=change@c2-169-1.mid.dial.mweb.co.za) has left #mythtv-users ("Leaving")

[15:01:04]

stevenh (stevenh!n=lews@65.167.23.3) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:04:17]

Tommck_ (Tommck_!n=Tommck@69.19.21.79) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:04:29]

sandeen (sandeen!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:08:18]

Ruleke (Ruleke!n=Ruleke@mule.trantor.org.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:09:08]

Neeesat25 (Neeesat25!n=neosat@87.228.216.119) has quit ()

[15:10:40]

jgarvey (jgarvey!n=jgarvey@cpe-075-177-158-190.nc.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:12:33]

sandeen (sandeen!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[15:20:33]

mtnbkr (mtnbkr!n=mtnbkr@c-71-235-156-61.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has quit ("Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. The answer is "NO."")

[15:21:11]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@89.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[15:23:32]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@89.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:25:29]

j-rod (j-rod!i=jarod@nat/redhat/x-18a364ad806444ba) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:25:32]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v j-rod

[15:25:40]

sandeen (sandeen!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:34:32]

Ruleke:

good day

[15:34:44]

Tommck_ (Tommck_!n=Tommck@69.19.21.79) has left #mythtv-users ()

[15:42:57]

Octane (Octane!i=Octane@66-234-34-251.nyc.cable.nyct.net) has quit ()

[15:46:24]

iresprite (iresprite!n=seraphim@touchstone.usg.tufts.edu) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:49:11]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@89.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[15:50:05]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@89.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:50:33]

sandeen (sandeen!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[15:51:01]

rsdvd (rsdvd!n=rsdvd@rsdvd1.plus.com) has left #mythtv-users ()

[15:52:56]

k-man (k-man!n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man) has quit ("bye")

[15:54:26]

sandeen (sandeen!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:56:43]

brad_mssw (brad_mssw!n=brad@shop.monetra.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:59:13]

agile (agile!n=mike@66-169-149-92.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[16:05:36]

daniel_bergamini (daniel_bergamini!n=daniel_b@72.173.30.100) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[16:06:45]

kslater:

wow it's quiet here today, everyone busy working?

[16:07:51]

Ruleke:

maybe

[16:09:45]

juski:

or just keeping their head down

[16:10:00]

daniel_bergamini (daniel_bergamini!n=daniel_b@72.173.30.100) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:10:57]

Ruleke:

juski: did you manage to test that knoppmyth on your epia system ?

[16:11:19]

juski:

it worked okay, that's about as much as I can say about it

[16:11:42]

Gumby (Gumby!n=terry@unaffiliated/gumby) has quit ("Why do we always come here? I guess we'll never know. Its like some kind of torture to have to watch this show.")

[16:11:54]

juski:

didn't have much time to dig in & reconfigure it to replace my bunty frontend

[16:12:14]

Ruleke:

doesn't seem to do xvmc properly

[16:12:15]

juski:

by the time I figured out I needed to overwrite the HDD's MBR...

[16:12:36]

juski:

I'd settle for a frontend that doesn't need xvmc tbh

[16:12:46]

juski:

planning on giving up cigs & saving for a mac mini

[16:13:06]

juski:

with a goal like that I'm hopeful about succeeding :)

[16:13:20]

Ruleke:

heh that will be expensive for hdtv :P

[16:13:45]

juski:

there's no myth-able hdtv in the UK yet anyway

[16:13:50]

juski:

nor will there be for years

[16:14:03]

Ruleke:

oh

[16:14:04]

Ruleke:

too bad

[16:14:16]

Ruleke:

only a few channels here though

[16:14:23]

juski:

plus getting a nice looking, small quiet box for the same money as a mac mini will be difficult if not impossible

[16:14:39]

jduggan_:

juski: what about proposed hd over freeview when analogue gets switched off?

[16:14:42]

jduggan_:

will that be compatible?

[16:14:43]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@89.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[16:15:02]

juski:

analogue won't be completely switched off until 2012

[16:15:05]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@89.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:15:10]

jduggan_:

yea

[16:15:17]

juski:

and even then it's not a dead cert that hd will take the place of analogue

[16:15:30]

jduggan_:

oh i thought that was the plan

[16:15:33]

juski:

the band space is gonna be sold off

[16:15:37]

jduggan_:

hence the london trials?

[16:15:51]

juski:

that's the BBC's own viability trial

[16:16:02]

Ruleke:

analogue will be switched off very quickly here

[16:16:16]

Dr_willis (Dr_willis!n=willis@74-140-6-108.dhcp.insightbb.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:16:45]

kslater:

juski – surprised you didn't try MythDora on an epia system. Seems to get things right out of the box for me

[16:16:46]

juski:

so by 2012, the hardware needed to decode h.264 1080i will be more or less affordable by everybody, that is if it's not encrippled somehow

[16:17:06]

quicksilver:

juski: ObUKTrivia: why are 2 of crystal palace muxes tranmitted weaker than the other (3?) ones?

[16:17:17]

juski:

kslater: it'd come as no surprise because last month there wasn't any 0.20 mythdora

[16:17:43]

juski:

quicksilver: no idea, but presumably to test signal robustness

[16:17:46]

kslater:

true – I took the .19 and did an upgrade

[16:18:01]

Dr_willis:

Hmm.. I set up my 'videos' dir to be a NFS share for my fileservers videos dir.. so either its hung.. or taking a very long time to scan the videos when i go to 'watch videos' – Not sure what to start trouble shooting.

[16:18:20]

Dr_willis:

cant seem to find any log errors/info yet. (still looking)

[16:18:28]

juski:

I have designs on making my own setup from scratch at some point, but if I go with the mac mini I might just become another 'end user'

[16:18:32]

kslater:

but it got the drivers for X right and a version of xine with the right extra bits

[16:18:34]

Dr_willis:

as the mythtv user, i can cd to the mounted nfs share and see the files

[16:19:15]

juski:

I'd still like to find out why minimyth & ubuntu can't play a DVD without gaps in the internal player, as well as the majority of BBC recordings

[16:20:12]

juski:

gonna play with minimyth again at the weekend, try some new tricks

[16:20:34]

juski:

then maybe put FC on my spare machine & see if I can build minimyth myself, then tweak it

[16:20:53]

juski:

until minimyth with mythtv 0.20, I really loved minimyth

[16:21:20]

juski:

was everything I ever wanted from a distro, small footprint, pretty quick at booting... great performance-wise too

[16:21:32]

juski:

ubuntu is about the opposite of that

[16:22:05]

juski:

I mean SDTV mpeg2 shouldn't play at 10fps on a 1ghz cpu should it?

[16:22:14]

GreyFoxx:

juski: Performance with 0.20 was what changes with minimyth ?

[16:22:47]

juski:

the Internal player wouldn't play a DVD without stutterring, and some BBC streams gave it big problems too

[16:23:16]

juski:

the streams it has bother with all have more than one audio track

[16:23:19]

Ruleke:

juski: minimyth uses 0.20 now right ?

[16:23:28]

juski:

strip em out with ffmpeg, & they play fine

[16:23:36]

juski:

Ruleke: yup

[16:25:31]

janneg:

how does the file play if you copy all stream with ffmpeg to a new file?

[16:25:47]

juski:

janneg: never tried that, only ripping out the extra audio

[16:26:23]

nuongu1 (nuongu1!n=john@c-24-6-175-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:26:31]

juski:

I even went as far as posting up a sample of an offending stream – minimyth's creator said he could play it okay on a similar box

[16:27:02]

juski:

it only happens with deinterlacing turned on

[16:27:14]

juski:

and then, never happens in timestretch mode

[16:27:30]

juski:

nor does it seem to happen when the other audio track is selected

[16:28:02]

juski:

could be anything – compiler related / drivers/ who knows

[16:29:22]

jared555 (jared555!n=jared555@dialup-4.159.98.90.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[16:32:34]

juski:

heck it might even be backend related

[16:32:56]

juski:

eliminating some variables is what I need to do, and that's tricky

[16:34:47]

Neeesat25 (Neeesat25!n=neosat@87.228.216.119) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:36:03]

janneg:

I would try to see what is causing the extra load with oprofile

[16:36:06]

Ruleke:

juski: what version did you use ?

[16:36:11]

juski:

0.20–20

[16:36:15]

Neeesat25:

Is is possible to be able to see channels as a list instead of one each time?

[16:36:22]

Ruleke:

I just downloaded -21 to test

[16:36:23]

juski:

there's a newer test version I can try

[16:36:31]

Ruleke:

never used minimyth before :)

[16:36:39]

Ruleke:

sounds pretty cool

[16:37:05]

juski:

yeah it's sometimes a bit of a chore updating the config file though – the syntax has changed a few times since I started using it

[16:37:24]

juski:

janneg: great idea, but minimyth doesn't have oprofile

[16:37:59]

Ruleke:

well I have to learn it from scratch anyway

[16:38:09]

juski:

binary ready-rolled is fantastic when it works – not much use when stuff goes wrong

[16:38:15]

Ruleke:

I'll see if I have some time tonight and let you know how it does decoding stuff

[16:38:29]

Ruleke:

some BBC shows or so

[16:38:42]

Ruleke:

multiple audio streams you said ?

[16:38:45]

juski:

yeah

[16:38:51]

juski:

the ones with audio description tracks

[16:38:52]

Ruleke:

what program has that for example ?

[16:38:57]

juski:

Eastenders

[16:39:01]

juski:

not that I watch it

[16:39:07]

juski:

Torchwood does, for sure

[16:39:07]

quicksilver:

we believe you

[16:39:09]

Ruleke:

anything good that has it ? :)

[16:39:22]

juski:

most bbc shows actually

[16:39:23]

quicksilver:

what do the audio description tracks contain?

[16:39:33]

Ruleke:

I noticed them I think

[16:39:36]

juski:

quicksilver: "character enters from the left"

[16:40:04]

juski:

that's the great irony. ITV shows, which I NEVER watch, don't have AD

[16:40:09]

quicksilver:

interesting

[16:40:18]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@89.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[16:40:25]

juski:

it's so blind folks can 'watch' TV

[16:40:30]

quicksilver:

oh right

[16:40:38]

quicksilver:

like the opposite of subtitles

[16:40:43]

quicksilver:

in a twisted sort of way :)

[16:40:50]

juski:

they have special boxes which mix the AD track with the normal audio

[16:40:51]

Ruleke:

:)

[16:41:01]

Neeesat25:

Juski: Any chance to have channels as a list?

[16:41:32]

juski:

Neeesat25: in browse mode, you mean? no

[16:41:44]

Neeesat25:

as a menu

[16:42:00]

juski:

with vdr you can

[16:42:02]

Neeesat25:

menu list not each time one only

[16:42:18]

juski:

nearest you get to having a menu is the full EPG

[16:42:38]

Neeesat25:

like vdr yes

[16:42:43]

juski:

I don't think the majority of mythtv users care much for livetv

[16:42:50]

Neeesat25:

is it possible in myth?

[16:42:55]

juski:

no

[16:43:05]

juski:

not unless you fancy patching the code

[16:43:15]

jduggan_:

juski: those with gf/partners generally care for livetv

[16:43:16]

quicksilver:

although the full EPG is quite a lot like a menu

[16:43:26]

quicksilver:

I certainly use it as such occasionally

[16:43:37]

Neeesat25:

full epg?

[16:43:47]

juski:

you could edit ui.xml and make the show description take up much less of the screen

[16:43:50]

quicksilver:

I forget the default keybinding

[16:44:07]

quicksilver:

it brings up the programme guide, reduces the channel you're watching into the top-rigth corner

[16:44:07]

juski:

Neeesat25: in the live tv menu, go into 'programme guide'

[16:44:22]

Neeesat25:

No not like that

[16:44:25]

quicksilver:

you can browse channels, see what's on, and pick a different channel if you like

[16:44:31]

juski:

Neeesat25: I told you, no

[16:44:40]

juski:

not like VDR does

[16:44:48]

quicksilver:

I appreciate it isn't a menu. As I said, it's LIKE a menu

[16:44:54]

Neeesat25:

It would be nice if we could

[16:44:59]

quicksilver:

it does let you scroll down the channels and find the one you want

[16:45:07]

juski:

Neeesat25: will you please _listen_ when people answer your questions?

[16:45:42]

Neeesat25:

I listen juski I just ask if anyhow it is possible. But as I can see it's not

[16:46:20]

Neeesat25:

I dont have your expirience in using it. Thats why I ask you

[16:46:25]

jams:

juski- did you say you were going to be rebuilding this weekend?

[16:46:39]

Scopeuk_ (Scopeuk_!n=Scope@cpc2-mfld2-0-0-cust20.nott.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:46:51]

jams:

or at least dinking around with a new test mythtv install

[16:46:56]

scopeuk (scopeuk!n=Scope@cpc2-mfld2-0-0-cust20.nott.cable.ntl.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[16:47:02]

juski:

jams: this weekend I'll be trying some stuff out to see if I can get the mythical small footprint, quite fast booting, non-skipping playback frontend worky :)

[16:47:28]

juski:

if my ubuntu backend spontaneously reboots again I might be looking at that instead

[16:47:39]

jams:

should have an iso available if you want to look at it

[16:47:44]

juski:

ooo nice :)

[16:47:47]

jams:

up to you though

[16:48:04]

juski:

definitely don't mind giving anything a test run

[16:48:15]

juski:

you know me – I generally use what works :)

[16:48:20]

jams:

I keep finding little things here to add or correct =)

[16:48:29]

rosh1182 (rosh1182!n=rosh1182@015-865-561.area5.spcsdns.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:48:54]

juski:

don't even mind occasional crashes so long as it doesn't take too long to recover

[16:49:06]

juski:

on the frontend, I mean

[16:49:17]

jams:

only crashes I have had in the last 6 months have been the frontend.

[16:49:30]

juski:

my backend rebooted twice on NYE

[16:49:41]

juski:

first time was due to the router locking up I think

[16:50:02]

juski:

2nd time (I hope) was due to a samba mount failing to reconnect

[16:50:03]

jams:

btw it uses svn version of mythtv, hopefully that won't cause any problems for you

[16:50:09]

juski:

ah

[16:50:20]

juski:

I use 0.20-fixes on the production backend

[16:50:36]

juski:

but I was planning to put my spare box on SVN now I dont need it as a slave BE

[16:50:42]

jams:

then I wouldn't connect it to your production db

[16:50:43]

dev:

my masterbackend crashes every so often, every couple weeks. apparently randomly. cant reproduce

[16:50:50]

dev:

fortunately it doesnt control any tuners so i just run it under svc and have a nice day

[16:51:07]

juski:

dev: nothing in the logs?

[16:51:09]

dev:

nope ;/

[16:51:19]

juski:

if there's nothing in the logs, check the init script

[16:51:34]

juski:

the init scripts some distros provide don't enable useful logging

[16:51:35]

dev:

its doing full logging except database

[16:51:38]

dev:

yeah i know

[16:52:04]

juski:

actually I just remembered something about my ubuntu box. udma doesn't come enabled by default

[16:52:13]

juski:

wonder if that has anything to do with the gappy playback

[16:52:31]

jams:

juski, email me your lirc config files, or place them where I can grab them

[16:52:39]

rosh1182 (rosh1182!n=rosh1182@015-865-561.area5.spcsdns.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[16:52:44]

dev:

its running fixes from october, right when upnp disable switch was added, and that fixed other issues i was having but introduced this crash-every-couple-weeks thing. probably wont upgrade to latest -fixes because everytime i do something else breaks :)

[16:52:55]

jams:

I will add them to the list of valid configs

[16:52:56]

dev:

problem 1 is fixed, problems 2 3 4 are introduced by the upgrade heh

[16:53:25]

iresprite:

Hmm. I pulled the svn trunk. Should I be pulling .20 fixes instead?

[16:53:36]

iresprite:

And if so, what's the appropriate way to pull it?

[16:53:51]

dev:

iresprite, depends whatcha want. trunk is not release obviously, -fixes is supposed to be release stable

[16:54:02]

Ruleke:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/

[16:54:08]

dev:

but imhe things are added to -fixes without appropriate testing

[16:54:43]

juski:

jams: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/site/lircrc and lircd.conf

[16:55:04]

iresprite:

I see. My previous build was .19 fixes (more accurately, .19–5) ubuntu packages from hunter's repository.

[16:55:31]

iresprite:

So right now I'm trying to pull down a more recent version and I don't know of any ubuntu packages.

[16:55:48]

dev:

its in there, i have them on one of my desktops

[16:55:55]

GreyFoxx:

dev: The disable upnp switch could not possibly cause your crashing. If it's crashing it's from something else in there

[16:55:58]

dev:

one of the .20-fixes release dates

[16:56:03]

Dr_willis (Dr_willis!n=willis@74-140-6-108.dhcp.insightbb.com) has left #mythtv-users ("Leaving")

[16:56:10]

Neeesat25 (Neeesat25!n=neosat@87.228.216.119) has quit ()

[16:56:32]

dev:

GreyFoxx, its ok i dont expect ya to remember. upnp disable switch *fixed* a crashing problem i was having that was reproduceable, and you helped me narrow it down to upnp :)

[16:56:49]

dev:

this crash-every-two-weeks-or-so and ONLY on the masterbackend not the slavebackends, is unrelated im sure

[16:56:59]

Ruleke (Ruleke!n=Ruleke@mule.trantor.org.uk) has left #mythtv-users ()

[16:57:06]

GreyFoxx:

dev: Back then the switch was put in due to a couple 100% cpu issues with upnp stuff, both of which have been corrected since then in fixes as well

[16:57:08]

iresprite:

dev: there's a package for .20 fixes in the hunter repository? Thought he wasn't maintaining anymore.

[16:57:16]

iresprite:

(Sorry if I'm misreeading you here.)

[16:57:38]

GreyFoxx:

dev: try to get a backtrace

[16:57:39]

dev:

iresprite, i dont think its the hunter respository, it was on one of th default ubuntu ones

[16:57:42]

Scopeuk_ is now known as Scopeuk

[16:57:48]

GreyFoxx:

might be able to really find out what it is :)

[16:58:13]

dev:

GreyFoxx, ah look, i dont even remember it exactly myself :) tsk tsk. yeah, 100% cpu was the issue. but that -fixes rev i updated to fixed other crashing problems as well

[16:58:19]

ivor:

juski: spent yesterday on the roof. house now looks like GCHQ.

[16:58:20]

dev:

GreyFoxx, werd

[16:58:28]

ivor:

I may have overspecced the new aerial.

[16:58:31]

juski:

ivor: heh. sorted the signals out then?

[16:58:35]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@150.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:58:49]

ivor:

almost. have some bits arriving this week to finish the job.

[16:58:57]

ivor:

all internal work now though.

[16:59:09]

ivor:

need some bandpass filters and what not.

[16:59:13]

dev:

iresprite, sec i will see if i can get on that box and see where it installed from

[16:59:34]

jduggan_:

soooo, rpm users, how do i search for an installed package matching *string*

[16:59:56]

ivor:

4 metres is surprisingly big when you stand next to it and hold it up to the chimney.

[17:00:01]

iresprite:

dev: ahh. I see. they have .20-.6ubuntu4 for Edgy Eft.

[17:00:10]

iresprite:

My box is still pulling from Dapper.

[17:00:12]

Dagmar:

jduggan_: rpm -qa | grep string

[17:00:17]

dev:

iresprite, yeah its off their repositories

[17:00:18]

dev:

ahh

[17:00:22]

juski:

ivor: hope you didn't use bog-standard coax

[17:00:28]

qu0zl:

juski, that was weird, i just double checked my ubuntu edgy install and dma was enabled by default. i dont even check that these days, i just assume it is

[17:00:37]

iresprite:

I guess it's time to change releases. :)

[17:00:39]

qu0zl:

wonder why it didn't on yours, mine is an ide drive

[17:00:40]

Dagmar:

Who needs coax when you can use speaker wire

[17:00:43]

qu0zl:

pata even

[17:00:51]

juski:

qu0zl: I'm not on edgy, for one thing

[17:00:52]

ivor:

juski: oh yeah, roll of new coax arriving this week too. :)

[17:00:58]

qu0zl:

it was enabled on my dapper too

[17:01:03]

qu0zl:

though that was a sata drive

[17:01:10]

Dagmar:

You just snake it down into the house alongside the electrical wires, and when you plug it in, all your signal problems just disappear

[17:01:13]

ivor:

some of the house wiring must date to the 20's

[17:01:17]

juski:

plus I found out the other day that dapper didn't have it enabled, and purely by accident

[17:01:22]

qu0zl:

lol

[17:01:30]

roshman1182 (roshman1182!n=vkkwfka@015-865-561.area5.spcsdns.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:01:32]

qu0zl:

that's weird, very 2002

[17:01:38]

jams:

juski, got a picture of your remote?

[17:01:51]

jams:

or the name of it

[17:02:13]

juski:

jams – it's a OneForAll-6 with my own custom-made rc5-ish protocol

[17:02:25]

jams:

gotcha

[17:02:34]

Dagmar:

Even the One4All's that don't use JP1 are nicely programmable

[17:02:38]

jams:

I need a generic image anyhow

[17:02:50]

hardnova (hardnova!n=yaknow@gw.neurometrics.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:02:52]

** juski finds one **

[17:02:52]

Anduin (Anduin!n=awithers@adsl-69-110-4-65.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:03:16]

quicksilver:

has anyone set up an 'analogue joystick' type remote to do something sensible with lirc?

[17:03:30]

quicksilver:

I'm thinking map 'any amount of down' to down arrow, etc

[17:03:33]

hardnova:

hi

[17:03:45]

Dagmar:

quicksilver: Some wacky bastard is using a Wiimote now

[17:03:50]

quicksilver:

ehe

[17:04:05]

roshman1182:

if I have directv, can myth chnage the channels of the set top box, or do i need two controllers?

[17:04:16]

hardnova:

is there any software out there that can carve up a myth recording without having to re encode the whole thing?

[17:04:18]

juski:

jams: http://www.argos.co.uk/wcsstore/argos/images/ . . . C206955X.jpg

[17:04:34]

iresprite:

roshman1182: does the STB have a serial port in the back?

[17:04:39]

Dagmar:

hardnova: For technical reasons, that's damn near impossible

[17:05:00]

Dagmar:

Unless *all* your cuts are on keyframes and keyframes only, you're going to have to reencode some of it

[17:05:01]

ivor:

I use the sky+ remote with the keyboard.

[17:05:10]

roshman1182:

iresprite: yes

[17:05:12]

ivor:

a perfect myth remote I think.

[17:05:17]

quicksilver:

I have this one: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/lc10m/ . . . lc10m-13.jpg

[17:05:28]

juski:

I considered getting one of them ivor, then remembered it wouldn't be able to control my surround receiver

[17:05:30]

quicksilver:

and it has a great big analogue squidgy in the middle :(

[17:05:59]

hardnova:

Dagmar , i seem to degrade the recording quality every time its re encoded how do i avoid that ?

[17:05:59]

ivor:

juski: ah, my epia controls everything.

[17:06:11]

GreyFoxx:

hardnova: myth itself will let you cut out commericals and rebuild the new mpeg without reencoding, but I don;'t know of any designed specially to cut out a portion. Of course I've never tried either

[17:06:19]

moh (moh!i=mort@galileo.bork.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:06:28]

juski:

that was another thing about minimyth – it'd be a lot of hard work getting a 2nd instance of lirc to work

[17:06:34]

iresprite:

roshman1128: assuming that the STB has the serial prot turned on, you should be able to hook a serial cable up between the STB and your computer and find a script to change channels.

[17:06:44]

Dagmar:

hardnova: Turn up the value that represents image accuracy

[17:06:54]

ivor:

juski: spent last night finally making my frontend diskless.

[17:07:17]

iresprite:

roshman1128: Check this URL out- http://www.pdp8.net/directv/directv.shtml

[17:07:24]

juski:

I dunno what it is, but every single ubuntu system I've got is slow as hell getting into some menus

[17:07:25]

roshman1182:

thanks

[17:07:28]

Dagmar:

hardnova: Or, do the sensible thing, and record everything at the highest quality you can stand, and then the image loss won't be so hard to manage

[17:07:36]

hardnova:

Dagmar any recommended editing software ?

[17:07:43]

Dagmar:

hardnova: Cinellera

[17:07:47]

juski:

video settings takes yonks to load up

[17:08:02]

Dagmar:

hardnove: I *strongly* recommend looking into the Dynebolic Live CD.

[17:08:17]

juski:

a tip I'm gonna try is running mythfrontend on minimyth as an unprivileged user

[17:08:20]

roshman1182 (roshman1182!n=vkkwfka@015-865-561.area5.spcsdns.net) has quit ("Virca 1.1.9")

[17:08:25]

hardnova:

Dynebolic Live CD what is that ?

[17:08:30]

juski:

I have no idea why that should make any difference but apparently it does

[17:08:30]

ivor:

juski: is it the same menus each time that are slow? or random slowness?

[17:08:31]

iresprite:

Dagmar: you have experience with cinellera?

[17:08:36]

juski:

ivor: same

[17:08:40]

Dagmar:

It's a linux Live CD that has a ton of audiovisual tools on it

[17:09:01]

Dagmar:

iresprite: Yes. It's not something i'd recommend anyone not *intimately* familiar with compiling stuff to even think about compiling

[17:09:22]

Notorious (Notorious!n=notoriou@d54C4459F.access.telenet.be) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[17:10:01]

hardnova:

ok well thanks for all that :)

[17:10:13]

iresprite:

dagmar: heh/ yeah. I'm fairly competent with compiling, though obviously not intimately (yet). I got it up and running on my box, but it seems to be a vast resources hog.

[17:10:23]

iresprite:

I'm not sure if that's just my experience, or if it just a hungry app.

[17:10:51]

Dagmar:

iresprite: Yep. That's Cinelerra

[17:11:04]

Dagmar:

It's got to track a HUGE file unless you're hacking up YouTube videos

[17:11:12]

Dagmar:

It's going to want lots and lots of memory

[17:11:29]

** iresprite chuckles. The days when 1GB was unimaginably huge... **

[17:11:36]

Dagmar:

Being able to skip around inside even a 2Gb file means keeping lots and lots of indexes and pointers and such

[17:11:47]

Dagmar:

I rmemeber those days

[17:11:53]

iresprite:

Then again, 1GB of PC2100 is definitely going to start showing its age.

[17:12:07]

Dagmar:

Those were the days when I'd drop a gigabyte of compressed zeros into FidoNet, destined for opers who annoyed me

[17:12:13]

** iresprite laughs. **

[17:13:39]

hardnova:

i have 4Gb ram ? but the video file is much bigger 15gb

[17:13:53]

Dagmar:

Be glad it's not trying to pull it all into your RAM then

[17:14:42]

iresprite:

Yikes.

[17:14:59]

Dagmar:

It's probably more reasonable to go for 15k SCSI disks than it is to try to feed an NLE "enough" RAM

[17:16:10]

Scopeuk (Scopeuk!n=Scope@cpc2-mfld2-0-0-cust20.nott.cable.ntl.com) has quit ("The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese")

[17:16:35]

hardnova:

Dagmar ok thanks for the hardware tip , yea i have a few 10k 320's LVD drives i can use

[17:16:52]

Dagmar:

lol

[17:17:06]

Dagmar:

Only if you want them in the 6Gb variety

[17:17:24]

Dagmar:

Actually I think the ones in the bin here are mainly 2–4Gb

[17:17:41]

hardnova:

Dagmar ?

[17:18:15]

Dagmar:

You joke but I actually have a number of those nasty things here at the office

[17:18:24]

hardnova:

they are 72Gb drives

[17:18:46]

Dagmar:

I had to resurrect an old Compaq from the grave in order to properly sanitize them of confidential data before we could let them out of the office to be burned

[17:19:05]

hardnova:

i have 3 of them

[17:19:08]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@150.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[17:19:21]

Dagmar:

LVD drives have been around for longer than you think

[17:19:35]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@150.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:19:38]

hardnova:

not the SCSI 3 320mb/sec ones

[17:21:04]

hardnova:

they are only a 12months old

[17:21:46]

Dagmar:

This is me not being very concerned.

[17:22:44]

** iresprite checks out LVD drives. **

[17:22:47]

iresprite:

Huh.

[17:23:13]

ivor:

ideed. I had them in my old PII.

[17:23:18]

ivor:

indeed.

[17:23:22]

Dagmar:

When your office has a lot of SUN equipment, there tends to be a lot of crap that was ridiculously expensive at the time, and is now wastebin fodder

[17:23:44]

hardnova:

Dagmar true

[17:24:08]

topping_ (topping_!n=topping@207.47.6.182.static.nextweb.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:27:09]

hardnova:

ivor not LVD 320Mb/sec ones more like 80Mb/sec ones

[17:27:14]

ivor:

hmmm, what to do tonight. play with mythtv, windows mobile or FPGA's....

[17:27:32]

ivor:

hardnova: no it was a general comment following "LVD drives have been around for longer than you think" :)

[17:28:05]

hardnova:

ivor yes but that is rediculous as he has no idea what i think

[17:29:03]

ivor:

now I got that in a "daffy duck voice"

[17:29:19]

ivor:

hmm, must take a break.

[17:29:31]

rsdvd (rsdvd!n=rsdvd@rsdvd1.plus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:30:01]

hardnova:

hi rsdvd

[17:30:10]

rsdvd:

hi hardnova

[17:30:18]

hardnova:

rsdvd hows interchange going ?

[17:30:52]

rsdvd:

not to bad

[17:31:10]

hardnova:

rsdvd getting lots of DVD sales now ?

[17:31:53]

rsdvd:

I was doing before Christmas.......starting to pick up again now. Feels strange to come to a Myth group and talk about IC :-)

[17:32:29]

hardnova:

rsdvd i just havent seen you in a long time is all :)

[17:32:40]

** ivor heads off to google interchange... **

[17:32:57]

rsdvd:

:-) you never come to the IC group any more!

[17:32:59]

hardnova:

rsdvd ...oh ( sean here ) from AU

[17:33:08]

Scopeuk (Scopeuk!n=Scope@cpc2-mfld2-0-0-cust20.nott.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:33:12]

rsdvd:

ivor – it is an open source e-commerce system

[17:33:26]

rsdvd:

hardnova – I guessed (whois hardnova)

[17:33:27]

ivor:

rsdvd: ta. just reading about it now. :)

[17:33:36]

hardnova:

rsdvd :)

[17:33:55]

rsdvd:

hardnova : I did not remember you being a MythTV user

[17:34:12]

hardnova:

ivor Interchange is very good !

[17:35:23]

hardnova:

rsdvd , well with all the myth chat in IC I gave it a go about 18months ago , as you know I build hardware and work with linux so it was a naturaly somthing i wanted to play with

[17:35:41]

ivor:

I'm sure it is... just of no use to me! bookmarked... moved on. :)

[17:35:46]

rsdvd:

lol...so it is Kevin and My fault

[17:36:01]

sigger_ (sigger_!n=Sigger@ool-44c0a897.dyn.optonline.net) has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out))

[17:36:08]

hardnova:

rsdvd , lol exactly

[17:36:19]

rsdvd:

LOL.....sorry (I think)

[17:37:04]

hardnova:

rsdvd , well kevin was raving about it for 12 months before you came on so but yes it all contrubuited :)

[17:37:19]

rsdvd:

hardnova : we will get you onto Asterisk and ZoneMinder soon to

[17:37:50]

** ivor adds install ZoneMinder back onto his todo list. **

[17:38:25]

hardnova:

rsdvd Aastrisk – done , but Zoneminder will have to google that one ?

[17:38:39]

juski:

zoneminder is an OSS CCTV app

[17:38:44]

ivor:

oss cctv camera app

[17:39:09]

hardnova:

oh ok I have no real use for that

[17:39:14]

juski:

I should try that out one of these days, seen as cctv is my bread & butter

[17:39:42]

rsdvd:

there was someone a while ago who made a start on a MythTV/ZoneMinder plugin

[17:39:47]

juski:

it's done

[17:40:11]

rsdvd:

If I rememebr correctly, it only worked it you had ZoneMinder and Myth on the same box

[17:40:11]

ivor:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythZoneMinder

[17:40:47]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@150.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[17:41:00]

hardnova:

so ya can put IP cameras all about the house and see whats going on from in front of the TV ?

[17:41:38]

rsdvd:

or fixed cameras/web cams...basically anything you can get a video picture out of

[17:41:43]

radi0head (radi0head!n=freaksho@modemcable228.95-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[17:42:00]

noddan (noddan!n=noddan@noddan-birger.brj.sgsnet.se) has quit ()

[17:42:15]

hardnova:

rsdvd ok so you can do it on the cheap with a usb cam

[17:42:43]

juski:

but not pvr cards.. yet

[17:42:59]

juski:

I'd love to be able to have full PAL mpeg recording from 4 cams

[17:43:09]

rsdvd:

juski : I thought it did since the merged the ivtv and v4l code?

[17:43:20]

Dagmar:

Hmm...

[17:43:22]

juski:

haven't checked on it for ages

[17:43:40]

Dagmar:

Looks like they've added a new option to the nVidia drivers that's supposed to help with XvMC

[17:43:44]

Dagmar:

"UseEvents"

[17:43:51]

rsdvd:

ok.....if there is a /dev/videoX then I think it works

[17:43:53]

juski:

oo there are a few new minimyth builds to check out

[17:44:03]

ivor:

juski: there you go. excercise for tonight. play with zoneminder and minimyth.

[17:44:17]

juski:

aww I wanna mess with css some more :)

[17:44:18]

hardnova:

i would like to have the ability in myth to record from my pvr-150 video in, I did it once with a channel hack but is there a better way ?/

[17:44:38]

rsdvd:

juski : I foudn a s100 in ebay (in germany).........would you recommend them?

[17:44:53]

juski:

ubungee is worky for the most part – its prebuffering pauses are nowhere near as bad as minimyth's (i.e. barely even noticable)

[17:44:54]

ivor:

ah, the joy of opaque binary drivers. so much voodoo magic and snake juice to get them working.

[17:45:06]

Dagmar:

Hey you can change the nVidia splash now

[17:45:08]

Dagmar:

Handy

[17:45:16]

ivor:

wild

[17:45:16]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@214.5.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:45:18]

juski:

rsdvd: be careful of sellers who only accept bankers' drafts

[17:45:19]

ivor:

:)

[17:45:48]

rsdvd:

he has Paypal with buyer protection

[17:46:26]

juski:

we once lined up at work to buy a consignment of dodgy cable boxes & very nearly got completely ripped off

[17:46:37]

hardnova:

also noticed today that the 7hrs i recorded of the cricket is not in the previously recorded list but is listed in mythweb

[17:46:41]

juski:

and that was _with_ paypal

[17:46:51]

rsdvd:

juski : would you actually recommend them as a viable frontend?

[17:46:55]

ivor:

oooh actually I have a weird myth bug.

[17:47:08]

ivor:

been meaning to ask about it.

[17:47:20]

juski:

rsdvd: it's very spiffy – or at least was on 0.19. if you can juggle intel's binary drivers go for it

[17:47:33]

Tommck (Tommck!n=Tommck@69.19.21.79) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:47:35]

juski:

I managed it, so it can't be that hard (erm...)

[17:47:40]

Tommck (Tommck!n=Tommck@69.19.21.79) has left #mythtv-users ()

[17:47:44]

ivor:

I'm getting "doubled" recordings for late night/early morning programs.

[17:48:03]

rsdvd:

that is the bit that scares me.....I am not very good with X-windows.

[17:48:05]

ivor:

i.e. it seems to be recording programs on both tuners at the same time.

[17:48:06]

iresprite:

Can people tell me how different the opengl menus are to them? Are they really more spiffy? If so, how?

[17:48:15]

juski:

iresprite: they're not, really

[17:48:18]

GreyFoxx:

iresprite: not really

[17:48:29]

juski:

smoke & mirrors are to come eventually

[17:48:31]

Dagmar:

iresprite: The only difference is that when menus change, the old ones fade out and the new ones fade in. That's _it_

[17:48:33]

GreyFoxx:

The only real visible difference is a fade in effect

[17:48:36]

ivor:

only happens for the late night greenwing showings, so I guess it's something to do with overnight jobs.

[17:48:42]

ivor:

very odd.

[17:48:44]

borg (borg!n=deus-ex@unaffiliated/botxj) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[17:48:45]

juski:

ivor: weirdness

[17:48:47]

iresprite:

How... tepid. :)

[17:48:57]

ivor:

iresprite: I vote for "spiffy"

[17:49:10]

juski:

the fade is too slow & boring IMHO

[17:49:18]

ivor:

juski: indeed. the "shadow" recording starts 5 minutes after the first one.

[17:49:24]

ivor:

and both recordings complete.

[17:49:28]

juski:

since I'm not exactly rushing patches out for it I'll shut up

[17:49:30]

ivor:

mental.

[17:49:45]

iresprite:

Huh. So is this revamp supposed to pave the way for better features that opengl will allow?

[17:49:53]

ivor:

wondered if anyone had seen similar.

[17:49:54]

juski:

eventually yeah

[17:50:14]

juski:

iresprite: chip in & help 'only' rewrite the UI

[17:50:40]

** iresprite chuckles. **

[17:50:50]

iresprite:

How could I help?

[17:50:58]

darkdrgn2k (darkdrgn2k!n=darkdrgn@206.47.255.170) has joined #Mythtv-users

[17:51:01]

ivor:

depends what you can do.

[17:51:02]

darkdrgn2k:

Afternoon all

[17:51:11]

ivor:

if you can write code, write code.

[17:51:13]

GreyFoxx:

Code is the currency of the realm

[17:51:23]

juski:

IMHO it might benefit from someone who can write 3d apps ;)

[17:51:32]

xris (xris!n=xris@dsl081-161-160.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:51:32]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris

[17:51:33]

iresprite:

Most of my experience has been in java-- I left C behind a long time ago, though perhaps I could dust it off.

[17:51:41]

darkdrgn2k:

juski: uh 3d.. takes me back..... to much mat

[17:51:45]

ivor:

alternatively produce well thought out ideas, mock ups, designs, artwork, whatever

[17:51:51]

** iresprite nods. **

[17:52:16]

Dagmar:

In the future, the OpenGL paint engine will mean you can have menus melt before crashing the machine, or fall like leaves before crashing the machine, or even scatter like sand before crashing the machine.

[17:52:17]

** ivor loves writing 3d code... but has run out of free time. **

[17:52:32]

** iresprite chuckles. **

[17:52:32]

ivor:

now you're being mean.

[17:52:36]

darkdrgn2k:

ivor: its fun. at least it was in directx.. i just cnat get the hang of opengl

[17:52:59]

ivor:

yeah? I found the opposite actually. I just hated DirectX coding.

[17:53:01]

juski:

directx? sounds like a volunteer for a winders frontend

[17:53:38]

ivor:

but then I'd done a lot of 3D coding before using either, so perhaps OpenGL just fitted my code better.

[17:53:38]

darkdrgn2k:

juski: Funny, actualy i was thining about doing some slave coding.. LOL

[17:53:40]

nuongu1 (nuongu1!n=john@c-24-6-175-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit ("Leaving.")

[17:54:02]

darkdrgn2k:

ivor: i ust like the fact that directx has not only 3d but everythign else built into it, direct input, direct play/music

[17:54:02]

juski:

a mythmusic revamp would be very well received

[17:54:23]

ivor:

darkdrgn2k: ah, I think that's a terrible design/idea/model though.

[17:54:37]

juski:

or help hell freeze over... get that linux multimedia framework involved

[17:54:50]

ivor:

I can see the attraction for software companies/projects though.

[17:54:53]

Scopeuk (Scopeuk!n=Scope@cpc2-mfld2-0-0-cust20.nott.cable.ntl.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[17:55:18]

darkdrgn2k:

ivor: oh you mean all the hard work they did to make all the direct elemnets the saem version.. the one of the directs released a new revision 1/2 way through a revision cycle and screwed up the versioning... again..

[17:55:27]

Scopeuk (Scopeuk!n=Scope@cpc2-mfld2-0-0-cust20.nott.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:55:43]

neddy (neddy!n=js152033@192.18.43.225) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:55:45]

darkdrgn2k:

im to noobiesh with X-windows programming... so i dont think im a candidate to help with coding justyet

[17:56:02]

darkdrgn2k:

juski: BTW it was the powre supply..

[17:56:17]

juski:

darkdrgn2k: really? for the log... I told you so ;)

[17:56:22]

darkdrgn2k:

juski: i swapped the PSU on that box and the lock was all over my tuner like a fat kid on a smarty

[17:56:26]

darkdrgn2k:

juski: yes, yes u did!

[17:56:43]

juski:

made my day, that :)

[17:56:51]

juski:

</smug>

[17:56:52]

darkdrgn2k:

juski: now the dam myth scanning keeps skiping over all the scrambled channels :(

[17:57:02]

amphibian (amphibian!n=toad@82-32-17-1.cable.ubr03.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:57:13]

** darkdrgn2k bows to juski's endless intelect **

[17:57:20]

juski:

now now

[17:57:32]

amphibian:

told you i'd be back on tuesday...

[17:57:34]

Dagmar:

Isn't it *supposed* to skip the scrambled channels?

[17:57:37]

Scopeuk (Scopeuk!n=Scope@cpc2-mfld2-0-0-cust20.nott.cable.ntl.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[17:57:43]

juski:

something tells me we don't wanna know what you wanna do with scrambled channels

[17:57:52]

Scopeuk (Scopeuk!n=Scope@cpc2-mfld2-0-0-cust20.nott.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:57:59]

juski:

there's a checkbox for that, anyhow

[17:58:01]

darkdrgn2k:

juski: i like watching the streams.... makes me feel im in the matrix!

[17:58:08]

darkdrgn2k:

juski: Where?

[17:58:10]

amphibian:

simple way to do a test tuning?

[17:58:25]

Dagmar:

amphibian: Yep. It's on the wiki

[17:58:34]

darkdrgn2k:

actually some channels become clear once in a while LoL

[17:59:01]

Dagmar:

darkdrgn2k: You know, this could be a false rumor, but I hear there's actually some porno on the internet if you look

[17:59:11]

** darkdrgn2k GASPS **

[17:59:12]

darkdrgn2k:

really?

[17:59:32]

darkdrgn2k:

what? they have internet on computers now a days!!! what next!

[17:59:35]

juski:

alt.binaries.foo.bar ftw

[17:59:41]

darkdrgn2k:

lol actualy i havent watch tv in.. gawd i donno how long

[17:59:47]

darkdrgn2k:

since last year!

[17:59:56]

Dagmar:

Those newsgroups are awesome for destruction-testing your codec builds

[18:00:09]

juski:

you wouldn't, not with a dicky PSU :-P

[18:00:14]

Dagmar:

Pull down about a Gb of crap, play it with mplayer routing to /dev/null and see if it crashes

[18:00:51]

Beirdo:

ugh

[18:01:07]

Beirdo:

so, I'm finally thinking about getting myth running again

[18:01:26]

juski:

need any help? you've come to the wrong place ;)

[18:01:34]

Beirdo:

need two things for that... one, a second cable box (ick), two.. an IR transmitter

[18:01:46]

amphibian:

juski: there's a right place?

[18:01:48]

Beirdo:

have any suggestions on the latter from those who have used them?

[18:02:02]

Beirdo:

I'd prefer USB if it works, but serial is fine

[18:02:03]

bluey- (bluey-!n=bluey@dslb-088-073-093-075.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:02:47]

amphibian:

Dagmar: a clue as to where on the wiki would be nice

[18:03:03]

darkdrgn2k:

so anyway where is this mysteriouse check box

[18:03:08]

jams:

Beirdo These work very well http://iguanaworks.net/ir/

[18:03:10]

Beirdo:

ugh, and this means I'd have to use lirc, doesn't it?

[18:03:15]

ivor:

Beirdo: home-brew an option or does it need to be "retail" ?

[18:03:27]

Beirdo:

home-brew is fine if I can find parts :)

[18:03:32]

jams:

well the serial one works well, the usb one i'm still working with

[18:03:41]

Beirdo:

good to know, jams

[18:03:49]

amphibian:

is there a simple command line tuner scanner thingy?

[18:03:54]

ivor:

Beirdo: in that case... just build the lirc one.

[18:04:06]

Dagmar:

It's practically staring you in the face

[18:04:12]

Beirdo:

K. I'm stuck with using lirc regardless, aren't I?

[18:04:18]

Dagmar:

amphibian: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Troubleshooting

[18:04:21]

neddy (neddy!n=js152033@192.18.43.225) has quit ("Leaving.")

[18:04:27]

amphibian:

"DVB Search" ?

[18:04:28]

Dagmar:

No, I will not come over there and click the mouse for you

[18:04:36]

Beirdo:

click faster!

[18:04:38]

amphibian:

Dagmar: oh, different wiki!

[18:04:50]

dverzolla (dverzolla!n=dverzoll@proxynet.fcl.com.br) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:04:52]

darkdrgn2k:

juski: so where is this check box?

[18:05:17]

Dagmar:

Oh, if you have STB then the answer is probably "no" then

[18:05:49]

Beirdo:

ivor: you mean the real simple diode, resistor, LED one?

[18:06:02]

Beirdo:

I can certainly handle soldering something that simple :)

[18:06:25]

ivor:

well I'd probably go for the amp'ed one.

[18:06:36]

Dagmar:

I like my iguanasoft transciever

[18:06:37]

Beirdo:

yeah, likely better for my server

[18:06:48]

ivor:

or the combined transmitter/receiver one.

[18:06:48]

amphibian:

W: Couldn't stat source package list http://www.hellion.org.uk etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.hellion.org.uk_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-amd64_Packa ges) – stat (2 No such file or directory)

[18:06:50]

amphibian:

hmmmm

[18:06:54]

amphibian:

the debian howto is broken

[18:07:05]

Dagmar:

The xmitter I suspect is probably slowly cooking me, but it works a treat

[18:07:15]

Beirdo:

don't need a receiver, the idea is to put a small cable box in my office and hook it to the server/backend

[18:07:22]

amphibian:

hmmm it only has sid, i see...

[18:07:23]

Beirdo:

the frontend will be in the bedroom :)

[18:07:39]

ivor:

Beirdo: ah, k.

[18:07:39]

Beirdo:

which requires much re-assembling of machines, but I'll live

[18:07:45]

ivor:

but that's the fun part!

[18:07:51]

Beirdo:

yep

[18:08:29]

Beirdo:

OK, that transmitter's a bit more involved but still simple enough

[18:08:34]

xris:

woah, Beirdo is here!

[18:08:46]

amphibian:

ivtv-utils are in etch, okay...

[18:08:49]

Beirdo:

wonder if Radio Shack here in PR still has parts, or if they are only a cellphone seller like in Canada

[18:08:53]

Ryushin (Ryushin!i=proxy@windwalker.openinnovations.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[18:08:56]

darkdrgn2k:

any oen know if i can import a channels.conf file into myth instead

[18:09:06]

Beirdo:

heya, xris

[18:09:09]

darkdrgn2k:

radio shack doesnt exist in canada due..

[18:09:11]

darkdrgn2k:

dude

[18:09:19]

dverzolla:

juski: you are a bot ? :P

[18:09:24]

Beirdo:

yeah yeah... "The Source by Circuit City" same crap

[18:09:28]

Chromeroo (Chromeroo!n=michal@24-51-92-117.kntnny.adelphia.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:09:29]

darkdrgn2k:

LMAO

[18:09:32]

Beirdo:

they stopped selling parts way before that

[18:09:49]

darkdrgn2k:

you can get them cheaper at electronic stores

[18:09:52]

Beirdo:

maybe find resistors and capacitors, but what's a transistor? :)

[18:10:01]

Ryushin (Ryushin!i=proxy@windwalker.openinnovations.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:10:17]

AdamKili (AdamKili!n=adam@71-210-211-115.albq.qwest.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:10:18]

Beirdo:

yeah, I don't know of any electronics stores here. I'll see if I can get my wife to bring me to rat shack

[18:10:22]

Beirdo:

one car, etc.

[18:10:33]

** Beirdo is STILL a house-husband until that work permit comes **

[18:10:39]

ivor:

Beirdo: ooh that USB design looks rather tasty.

[18:10:44]

MaaxNixx (MaaxNixx!n=michal@24-51-92-117.kntnny.adelphia.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[18:10:57]

Dagmar:

Beirdo: Not house-husband. "boy-toy"

[18:11:01]

dverzolla:

What do this Flag: Auto-expire recordings ?

[18:11:05]

Beirdo:

heh

[18:11:11]

Beirdo:

ivor: what did they call it?

[18:11:20]

Dagmar:

dverzolla: It means you're givign the box permission to toss the oldest ones to free up more recording space

[18:11:36]

AdamKili (AdamKili!n=adam@71-210-211-115.albq.qwest.net) has left #mythtv-users ("chatting with jchatirc ( http://jchatirc.sourceforge.net )")

[18:11:58]

darkdrgn2k:

ok where is the "scrambpled" check box..

[18:12:03]

dverzolla:

Dagmar: hmmm...

[18:12:18]

ivor:

darkdrgn2k: mythtv-setup

[18:12:29]

amphibian:

69 (855.25 MHz): no station

[18:12:31]

amphibian:

hmmm

[18:12:41]

darkdrgn2k:

ivor: yes im there.. i cant see any checkbox as such

[18:13:16]

darkdrgn2k:

ivor: would it be under the card? sources? what

[18:15:00]

livingtm (livingtm!n=livingtm@cpe-74-67-15-162.nycap.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:15:47]

livingtm:

Im having trouble importing a DVD. No matter how many titles i select to rip, when i hit 0 it tells me there are not jobs and nothing else to do.

[18:15:56]

livingtm:

i can play the dvd ok in myth

[18:16:09]

livingtm:

as far as i can tell i have all the proper packages installed

[18:16:19]

livingtm:

MTD is running

[18:17:04]

darkdrgn2k:

so back to my original where is the "scrambpled" check box..

[18:17:17]

rsdvd:

juski : are you there?

[18:17:40]

topping (topping!n=topping@64.212.181.67) has quit ()

[18:17:43]

dverzolla (dverzolla!n=dverzoll@proxynet.fcl.com.br) has quit ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby")

[18:19:21]

hardnova:

is it possible to fine tune a channel while watching it ?

[18:20:24]

livingtm:

anyone have experience with the dvd import feature?

[18:20:28]

GreyFoxx:

hardnova: Nope

[18:20:36]

fryfrog:

wtf is a "scrambpled" check box?

[18:20:51]

GreyFoxx:

closest you can get is to run mythtv-0setup and frontend at the same time, edit stuff in setup, close and restart l;ivetv

[18:20:56]

jared555 (jared555!n=jared555@dialup-4.159.98.14.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:21:03]

fryfrog:

hardnova: i found the easiest way was with 2 boxes, one editing the db and then tuning up and down again

[18:21:21]

darkdrgn2k:

fryfrog: i cant tun the dvb cause the thing skips over "encrypted" channels. is there a checkbox to turn that off

[18:21:44]

fryfrog:

darkdrgn2k: er, mine never skipped encrypted channels

[18:21:59]

fryfrog:

i had to go through 300+ of them to find the 5 or 6 HD channels that were not

[18:22:08]

darkdrgn2k:

fryfrog: my sys while its tunnign CHANNEL NAME Skipping encrypted channel

[18:22:23]

ivor:

Completely OT: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Whole-World-Katie-Pri . . . 6677-7299855

[18:22:27]

fryfrog:

sounds like they are not in the db?

[18:22:28]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@214.5.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[18:22:31]

ivor:

the reviews are priceless.

[18:22:47]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@68.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:22:47]

fryfrog:

darkdrgn2k: ah, perhaps you should take a look at the db and see if there is an "encrypted" flag or something

[18:22:59]

darkdrgn2k:

fryfrog: (sig*

[18:23:15]

darkdrgn2k:

i sdont ahve a gui :'(

[18:23:40]

amphibian:

how to find out why this isn't working?

[18:24:15]

amphibian:

i set PAL-I, europe-west, and scantv goes through lots of channels and finds nothing

[18:24:21]

amphibian:

it's directly connected to the rooftop aerial

[18:24:41]

amphibian:

how to determine whether it's a signal problem or a hardware/software problem, short of buying a freeview hardware box?

[18:28:36]

mirak (mirak!n=mirak@m68.net195-132-206.noos.fr) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:30:52]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@dsl081-161-160.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:30:52]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v kormoc

[18:34:39]

fryfrog:

darkdrgn2k: how can you not have a gui? you *could* run mythfrontend and say, firefox on the same system. I just liked using 2

[18:36:37]

amphibian:

hmmm we have all 5 terrestrial channels inc 5, which historically has had a poor signal, so we _should_ get freeview

[18:36:44]

** amphibian tries shutdown/startup... **

[18:37:23]

amphibian (amphibian!n=toad@82-32-17-1.cable.ubr03.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[18:37:56]

darkdrgn2k:

fryfrog; dont have a sql rontend

[18:38:08]

GreyFoxx:

darkdrgn2k: Just use the mysql client :)

[18:38:17]

darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: yes yes i am i am :-S

[18:38:21]

darkdrgn2k:

but finding nothig

[18:38:40]

Notorious (Notorious!n=notoriou@d54C4459F.access.telenet.be) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:40:37]

iresprite:

Out of curiosity, how does one usually set up multiple tuners?

[18:40:53]

iresprite:

I imagine one doesn't use multiple set-top boxes.

[18:41:41]

bluey- (bluey-!n=bluey@dslb-088-073-093-075.pools.arcor-ip.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[18:42:19]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@68.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[18:42:36]

iresprite:

It just doesn't seem like you could just split a coax coming out of the wall and plug those into he inputs on the box.

[18:43:05]

GreyFoxx:

sure you can depending on what you are recording

[18:43:19]

GreyFoxx:

if you are recording something that requires a STB to access then you can't

[18:43:31]

GreyFoxx:

but if you are recording regular analog cable you can split it into multiple tuners

[18:44:10]

GreyFoxx:

If you are recording digital cable, you need multiple stb's

[18:44:48]

iresprite:

I see. It seems like you can't do much with analog cable these days, depending on your region.

[18:45:07]

GreyFoxx:

well, you can't do HD

[18:45:09]

iresprite:

I've got Comcast, for example, and it seems like I need to get digital cable to get anything worth watching, you know?

[18:45:16]

GreyFoxx:

but dependsing on your provider it can be a lot or a little

[18:45:20]

iresprite:

I see.

[18:45:28]

GreyFoxx:

I get almost 80 channels on analog cable here

[18:45:32]

amphibian (amphibian!n=toad@82-32-17-1.cable.ubr03.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:45:36]

GreyFoxx:

but some places only have a fw

[18:45:57]

iresprite:

Ahh. Thanks.

[18:46:01]

amphibian:

is there another channel for ivtv support?

[18:46:13]

GreyFoxx:

#ivtv-dev ... not sure if there is a seperate user channel

[18:46:41]

amphibian:

ok

[18:48:02]

amphibian:

scantv is failing, but i have good signal – tv can receive all channels even weak ones, and freeview.co.uk says i should have coverage. here's the interesting thing: the card has both video and DVB. but i only see /dev/vbi0 and /dev/video0. shouldn't i have two /dev/video* ?

[18:48:22]

fryfrog:

iresprite: you can almost always get the FTA HD channels over cable, obviously with an HD tuner card. That is of course only about 6 channels *and* they are OTA anyway, so for that it is a waste

[18:48:47]

fryfrog:

iresprite: in my area, i can get about 60 or so analog channels, but the signal *quality* is so bad it makes recording them not even worth it

[18:48:54]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@92.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:49:09]

iresprite:

fryfrog: huh. I always wondered what the deal wa with OTA channels.

[18:49:12]

fryfrog:

So I have a pair of Comcast's DCT6412 (HD DVR) that have firewire output

[18:49:34]

fryfrog:

iresprite: I *think* there is a legal requirement that they carry the HD OTA channels unencrypted

[18:49:41]

iresprite:

fryfrog: dual STBs? How much does that cost?

[18:49:55]

fryfrog:

like $10–15 / mo?

[18:49:57]

fryfrog:

i forget

[18:50:04]

juski:

re

[18:50:13]

fryfrog:

I had a single HD DVR and wanted to swap it for a pair of HD tuners only

[18:50:21]

juski:

rsdvd: you yelled?

[18:50:23]

iresprite:

I see.

[18:50:30]

fryfrog:

when the dude came, he *took* my HD DVR... and brought in TWO MORE of the damn things

[18:50:39]

fryfrog:

aparantly they were out of HD Tuners, so had to give me HD DVRs

[18:50:53]

fryfrog:

for the price of a pair of hd tuners, thankfully

[18:50:56]

iresprite:

Heh. Well, then.

[18:50:58]

fryfrog:

not that i use them for anything but tuning

[18:51:22]

xris:

fryfrog: nifty, though.

[18:51:31]

fryfrog:

I haven't been able to *test* my theory, but I *believe* the DCT6412's firewire port might be *much* more liberal than the standard HD tuner

[18:51:38]

fryfrog:

I have not run into a *single* encrypted channel

[18:51:42]

iresprite:

Very cool. I'm a few years away from HD, but it's good to hear what people are up to with them.

[18:51:48]

fryfrog:

xris: i think in the long run it'll kind of suck :(

[18:51:50]

iresprite:

That's wacky.

[18:51:51]

xris:

friends of mine upgraded to the dvr model (not techie enough for myth) and the guy left their old box with them. I kind of want to take it home with me so I can use it. heh.

[18:52:01]

fryfrog:

xris: a) they are kind of loud, and constantly recording to hard drive :(

[18:52:07]

grantm (grantm!n=grantm@207.88.78.2) has quit ("Leaving")

[18:52:13]

xris:

fryfrog: oh, lame

[18:52:16]

fryfrog:

is it an HD box, just not DVR?

[18:52:34]

xris:

yeah. they had the hd box and upgraded to dvr.. the guy left the old hd box there, too

[18:52:36]

fryfrog:

the *lames* part is that these boxes have dual tuners!

[18:52:49]

xris:

yup. dual tuners but you can only touch one of them

[18:52:51]

fryfrog:

but afaik, you can only get 1 stream at a time :(

[18:52:55]

juski:

doesnt that mean you get dual firewire outputs too?

[18:53:00]

iresprite:

each box? huh.

[18:53:02]

hardnova:

where are the chanel icons kept ?

[18:53:07]

fryfrog:

the STB has 2 firewire ports

[18:53:15]

fryfrog:

but i think they are only for daisy chaning

[18:53:16]

xris:

hardnova: usually in ~/.mythtv

[18:53:18]

fryfrog:

chaining

[18:53:29]

hardnova:

thanks

[18:53:29]

xris:

fryfrog: correct

[18:53:31]

GreyFoxx:

hardnova: It's configurable, but by default in your ~/.mythtv dir

[18:53:37]

fryfrog:

I have them setup like that... PC -> DVR 1 -> DVR 2

[18:53:45]

** GreyFoxx stores his in /data/mythtv/channelicons/ **

[18:53:46]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[18:53:59]

GreyFoxx:

and mythvideo movie covers in /data/video/covers/

[18:54:08]

fryfrog:

i think i once tried hooking 2 cables to one STB and to my PC, but this was before I had *any* firewire working

[18:54:13]

fryfrog:

been to lazy to try again :)

[18:54:23]

amphibian:

which wiki is it for DVB hardware driver support?

[18:54:27]

darkdrgn2k:

ok so no one knows where the checkbox to NOT skip encrpted chanenls are?

[18:54:42]

fryfrog:

darkdrgn2k: do you think one even exists?

[18:54:52]

iresprite:

I use mythvideo mostly for TV series, so I really can't do the video covers for them.

[18:55:06]

grantm (grantm!n=grantm@207.88.78.2) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:55:21]

darkdrgn2k:

fryfrog: juski siad so there for it must be so

[18:55:25]

GreyFoxx:

iresprite: I use it for a ton of stuff, and have started last week ripping every one of my dvd's to it

[18:55:28]

iresprite:

But I've considered grabbing random frames from the files and using those instead. I get the feeling there must be a script for this already (I know my friend has something like that setup for his freevo box).

[18:55:32]

GreyFoxx:

the DVD's can go into a box for storage

[18:55:53]

GreyFoxx:

iresprite: You can do that sort of thing from the commandline with mplayer

[18:56:03]

GreyFoxx:

It's been a while since I did it, but you can do it

[18:56:13]

iresprite:

Oh, really? Excellent. That simplifies things quite a bit.

[18:56:29]

juski:

honest answers please.. do I really come across as such a know-it-all ? cos I'm not. I'm often wrong & I admit it :)

[18:56:44]

iresprite:

I've considered ripping my DVDs, but I'm putting it off till I've got more HD space to spare. :)

[18:56:52]

fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: how much space do you have? I'm running low on my 1.2TB. I can't imagine if I tried to keep DVDs on there as well :p

[18:56:53]

darkdrgn2k:

juski: well youve been right more times then ive been wrong.. sooooooo

[18:56:59]

darkdrgn2k:

juski: relativly speaking..

[18:57:09]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: 2 machines with 1.2TB each

[18:57:18]

fryfrog:

not bad :)

[18:57:22]

fryfrog:

both backends?

[18:57:33]

fryfrog:

or is one not really mythrelated?

[18:57:37]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: And I'm converting them down to Xvids, 700Meg for up to 1:45 long shows, and 1.4G for bigger

[18:57:49]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: One is the master backend, the other is the slave

[18:58:08]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@92.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[18:58:17]

GreyFoxx:

I just rebuilt the slave the other day after getting some 320G drives for Xmas

[18:58:18]

fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: ahhh, i've always wondered about the good way to go from DVD -> XVID

[18:58:23]

fryfrog:

do you do that multi-pass stuff?

[18:58:27]

GreyFoxx:

Yup

[18:58:34]

fryfrog:

some = 5x 320G drives? :)

[18:58:37]

fryfrog:

or do you raid em?

[18:58:40]

GreyFoxx:

raid5

[18:58:54]

fryfrog:

same here

[18:58:57]

fryfrog:

what brand?

[18:58:59]

GreyFoxx:

I use dvd decryptor+autogk to convert them to xvids

[18:59:00]

juski:

multipass encoding is about the only way to get decent quality transcodes afaik

[18:59:16]

fryfrog:

how many passes is "multipass" usually?

[18:59:20]

GreyFoxx:

2

[18:59:23]

juski:

more than one

[18:59:30]

juski:

hence the 'multi' part ;)

[18:59:43]

fryfrog:

right, but is it like 2? or is it like 7?

[18:59:51]

juski:

diminishing returns after the 2nd pass IIRC

[18:59:52]

fryfrog:

or does it keep going until it gets to a good point?

[18:59:56]

iresprite:

Greyfoxx: You've got a HD setup, right?

[19:00:04]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: Seagate drives

[19:00:07]

fryfrog:

all i meant was that, i wasn't quite sure how it worked

[19:00:35]

fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: i wish i hadn't saved the $20/drive and had gone with seagate :(

[19:00:51]

GreyFoxx:

iresprite: Nope. Haven't bothered too much with it since I don't have a HDTV monitor/tv/projector heh

[19:01:23]

fryfrog:

man, after HD and/or DVR, i can't stand going to my parents house and having them turn on the tv

[19:01:26]

iresprite:

Interesting. So what sort of quality do you use for recording? And why do you choose to transcode to XVid?

[19:01:28]

fryfrog:

COMMERCIALS WTF!!!

[19:01:40]

fryfrog:

iresprite: i think he was saying he goes from DVD -> XVID

[19:01:48]

fryfrog:

so instead of 9GB of data you get 800mb of it :)

[19:01:50]

iresprite:

oh! Sorry.

[19:01:56]

GreyFoxx:

iresprite: I am transcoding myu DVD's to xvid, I don;'t bother with TV :)

[19:02:02]

iresprite:

Heh.

[19:02:10]

GreyFoxx:

though my tv recordings are at 720x480 *close to 6Mbit

[19:02:24]

iresprite:

Mm. That's what I use.

[19:02:43]

fryfrog:

i've been *considering* tryign to convert my Heroes to XVID, they are like 5G after commercial cutting

[19:02:59]

fryfrog:

i just never had much luck with transcode :(

[19:03:06]

iresprite:

Why not?

[19:03:08]

jblack:

Did you try nuvexport?

[19:03:17]

fryfrog:

lack of understanding, perhaps :/

[19:03:35]

Led-Hed (Led-Hed!n=Led-Hed@209.209.124.226) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:03:37]

fryfrog:

i just kept ending up with shitty quality transcodes, probably from picking the wrong bitrate or something

[19:03:39]

darkdrgn2k:

so any one know how to make myth stop skipping encrypted channels durng scans?

[19:03:51]

fryfrog:

most of it is prolly lazyness, since i don't save anything but Heroes episodes

[19:04:04]

fryfrog:

darkdrgn2k: check the channels db table and see if there is an "encrypted" field or something

[19:04:20]

fryfrog:

afaik, it isn't *detecting* it, probably just got flagged by your listings provicer or something

[19:04:27]

iresprite:

I've had a pretty good time with nuvexport.

[19:04:37]

darkdrgn2k:

fryfrog: this is for TUNNIGN right?

[19:04:55]

fryfrog:

darkdrgn2k: where do you think myth gets the info to tune? the db :)

[19:05:08]

darkdrgn2k:

but the db is empty :-P

[19:05:10]

GreyFoxx:

darkdrgn2k: Are you trying to scan channels or are you trying to TUNE an encrypte channel ?

[19:05:21]

darkdrgn2k:

sory. SCAN

[19:05:24]

darkdrgn2k:

i got no channels

[19:05:41]

darkdrgn2k:

yet.

[19:05:44]

livingtm (livingtm!n=livingtm@cpe-74-67-15-162.nycap.res.rr.com) has quit ("Ex-Chat")

[19:05:48]

fryfrog:

wait wait

[19:05:52]

** darkdrgn2k waits **

[19:05:54]

fryfrog:

you are *scanning* and it says skipping?

[19:06:00]

darkdrgn2k:

yep

[19:06:01]

Beirdo:

fugh

[19:06:02]

fryfrog:

not just flipping channels in say, the front end/

[19:06:04]

fryfrog:

OHHHHH

[19:06:05]

fryfrog:

sorry

[19:06:06]

Disputin (Disputin!n=disp@c-71-236-250-193.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:06:09]

Paladine:

greyfoxx, my script worked :) I now have complete control over my stb :)

[19:06:11]

darkdrgn2k:

yes....

[19:06:18]

darkdrgn2k:

lOl SCANNING mythtv-setup

[19:06:18]

fryfrog:

perhaps i scanned my channels before there was "encryption" detection?

[19:06:20]

Beirdo:

the USB Iguana one uses a part I can't get from digikey.

[19:06:24]

Beirdo:

blah

[19:06:30]

fryfrog:

Cause I had to go through like 300 stupid encrypted channels :(

[19:06:37]

GreyFoxx:

darkdrgn2k: Mythtv-setup

[19:06:49]

GreyFoxx:

Input connections, pick the input

[19:06:55]

GreyFoxx:

"Unencrypted channels only"

[19:07:08]

fryfrog:

but i think he wants the encrypted ones too?

[19:07:09]

fryfrog:

oh

[19:07:13]

fryfrog:

uncheck that?

[19:07:38]

GreyFoxx:

Well, unless you have a cam you want to skip them :)

[19:08:26]

darkdrgn2k:

to bad its not like the old cable where they just "Scrabmle" the channel

[19:08:27]

darkdrgn2k:

lol

[19:08:49]

darkdrgn2k:

oooo i found it

[19:08:54]

** darkdrgn2k bows down to greyfoxx **

[19:08:54]

darkdrgn2k:

thank youi

[19:09:35]

darkdrgn2k:

what the slowest link you can have to watch live tv?

[19:09:48]

GreyFoxx:

depends on what you set your bitrate too

[19:10:12]

darkdrgn2k:

where do you set the bitrate? still under setup tv settings livetv?

[19:10:22]

GreyFoxx:

recording profiles

[19:12:09]

iresprite:

Oh, maybe someone's experienced this weirdness: so my recorded shows have great quality, both sound and video. But if I watch Live TV, sometimes the sound gets corrupted and it gets almost scratchy.

[19:12:45]

GreyFoxx:

iresprite: Hmm Check your recording profiles. LiveTV has a seperate profile than the "default" for reecordings. Maybe they are different ?

[19:12:50]

iresprite:

And this affects the recorded shows thereafter. I have to go and either reset ivtv, or even reboot.

[19:12:58]

iresprite:

Hm.

[19:13:02]

GreyFoxx:

oh

[19:13:03]

GreyFoxx:

ok

[19:13:07]

GreyFoxx:

not sure what that would be then

[19:13:14]

GreyFoxx:

but just in case check the profiles

[19:13:26]

iresprite:

Mm. I'm wondering if this is something on the ivtv end. But yeah, I'll check the profiles.

[19:14:02]

fryfrog:

stupid autogk question: it won't pull from an ISO or a DVD, hence your use of dvd decryptoer

[19:14:06]

fryfrog:

right?

[19:14:20]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@66.5.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:14:26]

GreyFoxx:

fryL Correct

[19:14:29]

GreyFoxx:

and you can queue up jobs

[19:14:35]

fryfrog:

ah, neat

[19:14:38]

GreyFoxx:

so I queue up 3 or 4, then tell it to "go"

[19:14:42]

GreyFoxx:

by morning they are done

[19:14:47]

GreyFoxx:

well 3 or 4 per machine

[19:14:52]

GreyFoxx:

3 machines doing it

[19:14:55]

GreyFoxx:

so 12 a night

[19:14:57]

fryfrog:

i have like 10 movies in ISO form, so i need to dvd decryptor them

[19:15:24]

GreyFoxx:

2 real windows machines, and 1 vmware session heh

[19:15:41]

fryfrog:

ahah, you do one in vmware?

[19:15:50]

fryfrog:

is it even.. i mean, i guess it is fast enough if you bother with it

[19:15:56]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, only 2 windows machines in my house. My wifes and my work laptop

[19:16:00]

warthog9 (warthog9!n=warthog9@c-67-188-75-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[19:16:02]

GreyFoxx:

but lots of other machines

[19:17:25]

sinisterguy (sinisterguy!n=wasted@CPE00131025897e-CM0014045b6464.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:18:02]

Tatster (Tatster!n=tatster@80-193-5-25.cable.ubr06.gill.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:18:19]

sinisterguy:

hello, i tried ripping an episode of lost (just the vob file) onto my myth box but when i go to play it back, it plays very poorly

[19:21:14]

nvzn:

setting up mythtv for the first time, when i go to mythfrontend and watch tv, nothing happens

[19:21:59]

nvzn:

using an analog v4l capture card, bttv

[19:22:32]

nvzn:

it seems to be setup correctly in myth-setup as a capture card and with input

[19:23:26]

iresprite:

if you do cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg, do you get anything?

[19:23:44]

nvzn:

iresprite: well it works with xawtv

[19:23:53]

nvzn:

im sure that catting it will work

[19:24:00]

iresprite:

Right.

[19:24:21]

nvzn:

it scans for channels successfully in setup

[19:24:23]

iresprite:

When you say nothing happens, what do you mean? Does MythTV say anything?

[19:24:32]

nvzn:

no

[19:24:35]

nvzn:

just returns to menu

[19:25:07]

nvzn:

ie. if i select watch tv, it blinks then refreshes the menu window

[19:25:22]

simplton (simplton!n=simplton@c-24-99-119-243.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:25:40]

iresprite:

have you looked at the log for the frontend?

[19:25:43]

nvzn:

yeah

[19:25:48]

nvzn:

i can paste it

[19:25:51]

nvzn:

1 sec

[19:25:52]

** juski plays with some more css **

[19:27:02]

fryfrog:

you might need to fiddle with the "-v help" on the FE to get a good display of data

[19:27:08]

sinisterguy:

for my problem above i get stuff like this: http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/8743/vlcsnap714665wt1.png

[19:27:11]

nvzn:

im using -v all

[19:27:24]

fryfrog:

nvzn: i also assume you can use something silly like tvtime or xawtv and get some tv showing?

[19:27:36]

nvzn:

http://pastebin.ca/301407

[19:27:43]

nvzn:

fryfrog: yes

[19:27:48]

nvzn:

fryfrog: xawtv works well

[19:28:13]

fryfrog:

still waiting for picture to load :/

[19:28:51]

fryfrog:

Protocol error: 'A' is not a valid size prefix. 81 bytes pending.

[19:28:54]

fryfrog:

that'd be my guess

[19:29:09]

nvzn:

whats that

[19:29:13]

fryfrog:

you frontend seems to be recieving an "A" instead of 31 to the protcol version?

[19:29:20]

nvzn:

hmm

[19:29:41]

fryfrog:

but... it could be that you get so much data from -v all that i don't see the useful thing

[19:29:46]

fryfrog:

you can do -v help and see many other options

[19:29:56]

fryfrog:

i think "playback" and "audio" could be useful, off the top of my head

[19:30:12]

jblack:

time shift rocks.

[19:30:25]

juski:

hrm so many ideas keep coming to me

[19:31:28]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v juski

[19:31:28]

jblack:

like what?

[19:31:37]

jblack:

More reliable commercial skip?

[19:31:41]

juski:

no no no

[19:31:55]

juski:

I just press 4 then right arrow

[19:32:05]

juski:

for the odd times I record from a commercial-laden channel

[19:32:22]

GreyFoxx:

for me 3 + right usually does it

[19:32:23]

jblack:

I didn't know you could do that.

[19:32:25]

Notorious (Notorious!n=notoriou@d54C4459F.access.telenet.be) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[19:32:28]

juski:

ideas for this web design I'm doing.. I just keep messing

[19:32:34]

GreyFoxx:

jblack you can jump that number of minutes back or forward

[19:32:45]

GreyFoxx:

you can dump 1 hour 13 minutes by using 113 Right

[19:32:48]

jblack:

Commercial skip isn't that reliable for me. I'll try that from now on.

[19:32:56]

jblack:

Yeah. Just tried it.

[19:33:04]

GreyFoxx:

jblack, up+down are 10 minute jumps

[19:33:08]

qfour20 (qfour20!n=q@dsl081-113-025.dfw1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[19:33:22]

jblack:

Yeah. Knew that one.

[19:33:26]

qfour20 (qfour20!n=q@dsl081-113-025.dfw1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:33:27]

juski:

until such time as broadcasters flag commercials, there's never gonna be 100% reliable skipping ;)

[19:33:44]

iresprite:

There are very few shows where I've had issues with commercial skipping-- House, for example-- but even only a few shows makes me wary.

[19:33:46]

dev:

though mythcommflag does a pretty good job

[19:33:48]

iresprite:

Thankful, but wary.

[19:33:54]

juski:

think yourself lucky

[19:34:02]

juski:

it hardly works at all on most UK tv channels

[19:34:03]

jblack:

No complaints. Its really neat.

[19:34:08]

fryfrog:

can xvid contain 2 audio channels? ie, en and jp?

[19:34:12]

iresprite:

Sorry to hear...

[19:34:14]

dev:

juski, maybe its because i use analog cable? easier perhaps to detect?

[19:34:14]

juski:

$ky one – it works brilliantly

[19:34:18]

warthog9 (warthog9!n=warthog9@yardgnome.c2micro.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:34:27]

juski:

dev: depends on the broadcaster & how they go to commercials

[19:34:29]

jblack:

I think its about 90% accurate here.

[19:34:38]

dev:

id say its seriously 90% accurate for me

[19:34:50]

dev:

and thats history/discovery/tlc/upn/fox/scifi mostly

[19:34:52]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: xvid is avideo codec, it doesn't contain audio

[19:34:54]

jblack:

Its hard to measure. When it works, it really works. When it fails.. again, it really fails.

[19:34:59]

juski:

reason it doesn't work well on ITV1 in the UK, and channel4 & channel 5 is that they often use hard-cuts, have weird 'bumpers', don't have logos...

[19:35:02]

GreyFoxx:

but the avi container can have more than 1 audio stream

[19:35:06]

fryfrog:

ah

[19:35:19]

juski:

an avi container needn't have any video inside it afaik

[19:35:27]

juski:

it's just a bottle

[19:35:51]

Dibblah:

... More like a chemical toilet.

[19:35:54]

juski:

lol

[19:35:57]

jblack:

My kid desperately wants dynamic resizing, like xine.

[19:36:03]

neddy (neddy!n=js152033@192.18.43.225) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:36:06]

juski:

can 'o' worms :)

[19:36:19]

juski:

jblack: wait til he can program ;)

[19:36:23]

iresprite:

Man, I need to learn more about codecs... I assumed XVid incorporated audio as well.

[19:36:40]

Dibblah:

"dynamic resizing"?

[19:36:44]

iresprite:

GreyFoxx: what determines the format of the audio in an XVid?

[19:36:45]

jblack:

Unfortunately she's shown at age 12 zero interest in following dad's footsteps.

[19:36:53]

juski:

Dibblah: I think he means dragging a window to a new size

[19:37:08]

GreyFoxx:

iresprite: Whatever you use to convert it. The app that does the conversion chooses the codec, bitrate, etc etc

[19:37:10]

Dibblah:

Oh. Use Xine, then. ;)

[19:37:20]

juski:

mythtv is mostly intended for your lounge :)

[19:37:37]

juski:

hence the lack of a need to keep a mouse on your lap

[19:37:37]

Dibblah:

Or kitchen.

[19:37:38]

jblack:

Oh, I'm not complaining. I know what to do if I decide I want something. :)

[19:37:54]

juski:

and the massive fonts :)

[19:38:04]

iresprite:

Greyfoxx: Ahh. Is there an easy way to find out what format a given converter (like nuvexport/transcode) uses?

[19:38:12]

iresprite:

Just for curiosity's sake.

[19:38:22]

jblack:

the funny thing is... now that we've got myth, the actual tv is on much, much less.

[19:38:23]

GreyFoxx:

iresprite: Normally they ask

[19:38:33]

juski:

rsdvd: to answer your previous question about the size of blootube-wide – I just re-did it with much smaller watermark graphics

[19:38:40]

onetwo:

commercial skipping worked fantastically with last years f1 on itv3

[19:38:48]

GreyFoxx:

iresprite: But these days the "Default" is usually VBR mp3 128kbit

[19:39:26]

juski:

if you really want your shows to be commercial free there's only one legal way around it.. buy the dvd

[19:39:42]

iresprite:

I see.

[19:39:52]

iresprite:

Greyfoxx: Thanks!

[19:40:01]

rsdvd:

juski : I noticed! I have installed it on my backend which I use over VNC it seems to be a lot less memory hungry

[19:40:23]

juski:

works fine in 720x576 in 512MB, does blootube-wide

[19:40:28]

jblack:

SPeaking of itches... I asked earlier and didn't get a response. Does anybody know of a git or bzr gateway to the svn repo?

[19:40:45]

GreyFoxx:

juski: Just wanted to pass on that my wife likes the 4x3 blootube from the other day much better than MythCenter which we were previously using :)

[19:41:00]

GreyFoxx:

what is git or bzr ? :)

[19:41:00]

juski:

GreyFoxx: cheers !

[19:41:08]

juski:

bzr sounds illegal

[19:41:15]

nvzn (nvzn!n=nvzn@dormir.dreaming.org) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[19:41:30]

GreyFoxx:

jblack: No there is not

[19:41:44]

GreyFoxx:

only access is via svn or the trac webinterface

[19:41:46]

simplton:

Does Mythtv work the same under KDE as it does GNOME?

[19:42:01]

iresprite:

Ooh. blootube looks nice. I'll be using a new theme when I finally get .20 up and working. I may grab that.

[19:42:03]

juski:

simplton: depending on the user's ability to install it, yeah

[19:42:08]

GreyFoxx:

simplton: Myth has no concept of what windowmanager or desktop environment it's running in :)

[19:42:22]

simplton:

I thought it works with gtk+

[19:42:28]

flithm (flithm!n=tim@blk-89-205-21.eastlink.ca) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:43:03]

juski:

it'd work without any WM or DE

[19:43:16]

GreyFoxx:

simplton: No

[19:43:17]

simplton:

kewl

[19:43:22]

GreyFoxx:

Myth uses the QT libraries

[19:43:23]

rsdvd:

Quick Question : what is the best technology to map frontend directories to the backend nfs or samba?

[19:43:26]

fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: ever do anything with subs?

[19:43:29]

GreyFoxx:

but you don't need KDE or gnome

[19:43:34]

juski:

rsdvd: nfs, always

[19:43:35]

fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: er, in autogk?

[19:43:36]

iresprite:

wait... that was Project Grayhem-wide I was looking at. Can anyone direct me to screenshots of blootube?

[19:43:45]

juski:

iresprite: www.juski.co.uk

[19:43:46]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: Nope

[19:44:00]

Notorious (Notorious!n=notoriou@d54C4459F.access.telenet.be) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:44:03]

rsdvd:

thanks juski

[19:44:07]

radi0head (radi0head!n=freaksho@modemcable228.95-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:44:08]

fryfrog:

I think I won't use Akira as my first test then :p

[19:45:20]

iresprite:

juski: thanks! Looks very cool.

[19:45:43]

iresprite:

You converted this from the wide version?

[19:46:16]

seth|laptop:

kewl, didn't know bt 4:3 was available, time to see the difference :-)

[19:46:30]

fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: so you use the 1/4th of dvd setting, about 850mb? for an entire 2hr movie?

[19:46:56]

fryfrog:

er, sorry the 1/5th is ~900mb

[19:47:02]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: I use 700Meg for any show less than 1hour 45mins, and 1.4G for anything bigger

[19:47:04]

seth|laptop:

thats what I use to put dvd's on my ZVM

[19:47:08]

seth|laptop:

autogk

[19:47:27]

melunko (melunko!n=dapper@200.184.118.132) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[19:47:57]

fryfrog:

Ah, so the "1/3rd" of a dvd looks about the best for 2 hour movies

[19:48:02]

fryfrog:

1/4th is like 1100mb or so

[19:48:18]

fryfrog:

what size screen do you watch them on?

[19:48:39]

fryfrog:

just a 30" here, so i spose a slightly lower quality would be okay

[19:48:51]

defend is now known as Defend

[19:48:59]

sigger_ (sigger_!n=Sigger@ool-44c0a897.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:49:26]

fryfrog:

here goes nothing, lets see how it looks in a few hours :)

[19:50:28]

seth|laptop:

fryfrog: you using the windows version or the linux version?

[19:50:38]

fryfrog:

autogk has a *linux* version?

[19:50:47]

GreyFoxx:

seth|laptop: I had no idea there was a linux version

[19:50:49]

fryfrog:

(i'm using windows)

[19:50:52]

GreyFoxx:

If so.......

[19:50:56]

juski:

for those RAM misers among you.. that's why I did blootubelite-wide

[19:50:58]

seth|laptop:

well not really linux as it is wine

[19:51:00]

seth|laptop:

sorry

[19:51:06]

GreyFoxx:

oh

[19:51:07]

GreyFoxx:

pffft

[19:51:08]

fryfrog:

oh, gotcha

[19:51:09]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[19:51:11]

fryfrog:

ahah

[19:51:20]

juski:

God help you if the wide base resolution changes to 1920x1080. oh boy

[19:51:26]

** seth|laptop doesn't have a windows box, was just wondering how it preformed in windows **

[19:51:31]

Scopeuk_ (Scopeuk_!n=Scope@cpc2-mfld2-0-0-cust20.nott.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:51:50]

fryfrog:

i was hoping for a progress bar or a time elapsed or reaminting time typing, but don't see anything like that

[19:52:00]

Scopeuk (Scopeuk!n=Scope@cpc2-mfld2-0-0-cust20.nott.cable.ntl.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[19:52:01]

amphibian:

hmmm

[19:52:08]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

[19:52:10]

juski:

the 'how long is a piece of string' indicator.. ahh yes

[19:52:11]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@66.5.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Connection timed out)

[19:52:11]

seth|laptop:

autogk did the pirates 2 dvd in like 2–1/2 hours, wondered if it was faster in windows,

[19:52:22]

amphibian:

i get signal = 32 for every transmitter

[19:52:29]

fryfrog:

but it is using a lot of cpu, so it must be doing something

[19:52:57]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@125.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:53:36]

seth|laptop:

fryfrog: are you doing an ac3 conversionor are you down converting it to stereo mp3?

[19:54:38]

Scopeuk_ is now known as scopeuk

[19:55:32]

Anduin (Anduin!n=awithers@adsl-69-110-4-65.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has quit ("Leaving.")

[19:55:53]

flithm (flithm!n=tim@blk-89-205-21.eastlink.ca) has quit ("Leaving")

[19:56:34]

s0be (s0be!n=s0be@pool-71-115-168-70.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:57:37]

fryfrog:

seth|laptop: I left it at "Auto" which from reading the tutorial implies it will keep the AC3/DTS

[19:57:52]

fryfrog:

I *think* I plan on burning them 3 at a time to a DVD-R and archiving them

[19:57:58]

iresprite:

Question for Ubuntu users: if I upgrade to Edgy Eft, how much of a problem will I have with a.) ndiswrapper, b.) wpa-supplicant, and c.) ivtv?

[19:58:17]

Beirdo:

hmm

[19:58:17]

fryfrog:

I'm wondering if maybe I should have ticked the "ESS-based standlone" option :(

[19:58:26]

fryfrog:

iresprite: upgrade as in "dist-upgrade"?

[19:58:33]

fryfrog:

iresprite: or re-install?

[19:58:39]

Beirdo:

has anyone used a Hauppauge MediaMVP as a frontend? I seem to remember people trying

[19:58:40]

seth|laptop:

ok, I just learned the hard way converting to mp3 stereo for the ZVM, that if you leave the VBR setting to 128 for anything over an hour and a half, the audio gets out of sync. I needed to change it to 192k

[19:58:57]

GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: I did at one time, it's on a shelf right now

[19:59:05]

Beirdo:

did it work well?

[19:59:06]

iresprite:

fryfrog: Hm. Well, I'm on Dapper Drake right now, so whatever it takes me to get there. I'd prefer it if I didn't have to wipe my system to do it.

[19:59:13]

fryfrog:

why would the bitrate screw up the time offset?

[19:59:13]

RockClimber (RockClimber!n=lynsey@86.111.167.55) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:59:14]

juski:

iresprite: those will be among the last of your worries if you simply edit your sources list & do a dist-upgrade

[19:59:29]

fryfrog:

iresprite: sorry, last i heard the dist-upgrade didn't go so hot for some people

[19:59:29]

Beirdo:

I would assume it was mainly to playback programs, or could you schedule stuff too?

[19:59:36]

fryfrog:

mine went so badly i just re-installed

[19:59:42]

iresprite:

Ick. Double ick.

[19:59:46]

juski:

fryfrog: me too

[20:00:07]

juski:

I had some joy with a dist-upgrade once, but even from the same base couldn't reproduce it

[20:00:28]

juski:

back up your database, don't let bunty repartition anything & you should be fine

[20:00:29]

iresprite:

That's really unfortunate. For some reason I thought I saw some success stories using dist-upgraqde.

[20:00:35]

RockClimber:

in the UK there is a satellite service that allows us to get all the free channels but it requires a one off payment for the hardware + card (or just card if you already have hardware). Are there any PC decoders that support these cards?

[20:00:35]

Beirdo:

just thinking of cheap/easy/quiet frontend boxes

[20:00:51]

juski:

RockClimber: dvb-s card, CAM & CI

[20:01:09]

iresprite:

Yeah... I pretty much have all my media (and I'm pretty sure my database) on a partition separate from the root partition.

[20:01:17]

juski:

RockClimber: or if you can live without ITV & C5, just a dvb-s card IIRC

[20:01:30]

iresprite:

I've already dumped my .19 database to backup.

[20:01:55]

juski:

RockClimber: there's not a great deal on freesat that you don't get on freeview already – worth watching that is

[20:02:06]

RockClimber:

I don't get freeview

[20:02:13]

RockClimber:

too far from transmitter

[20:02:18]

iresprite:

So it sounds like reinstalling's the best thing. Which... yuck. I'll need to remember to backup all my fancy fun config files.

[20:02:20]

juski:

we all will, pretty soonish

[20:02:47]

juski:

.. if you call within 6 years 'soon' ;)

[20:02:58]

RockClimber:

so we have pour quality analogue, dodgy freeview that plays up when it rains, and a sky box getting free to air (no card yet). want to replace all hardware with one mythtv box

[20:03:21]

RockClimber:

I'm in the last region to have analogue switch off

[20:03:24]

juski:

RockClimber: replace your aerial & coaxial cable – works wonders

[20:03:30]

RockClimber:

rented house

[20:03:37]

juski:

ack

[20:03:49]

RockClimber:

already have digital aerial and booster

[20:04:06]

juski:

boosters don't generally do much with a bad signal

[20:04:09]

RockClimber:

there was a sky dish when I moved in and I got an old box for a bottle of wine

[20:04:15]

juski:

they can make bad signals worse infact

[20:04:24]

RockClimber:

no booster gives us BBC, booster gives us IT

[20:04:26]

RockClimber:

ITV

[20:04:55]

juski:

aye well it's either that or a stonking great big 34-element aerial ;)

[20:05:40]

juski:

oh hang on – I dunno if there's a 100% legal way to get all the channels on freesat since the encrippled ones use SkyCrypt

[20:05:53]

juski:

other than a STB I mean

[20:06:06]

RockClimber:

actually it's mythtv if I can get hardware with CAM support, or Sky+ (that gets me a recorder, somethign we don't have at the moment) or a complete switch to HD (sky HD, lcd, dvd with hdmi)

[20:06:11]

juski:

I think I remember reading that ITV etc are gonna go in the clear soon

[20:06:23]

RockClimber:

ITV are already free to air

[20:06:31]

juski:

RockClimber: no support for $ky HD with mythtv

[20:06:32]

RockClimber:

it's C4 and C5 that are encrypted

[20:06:36]

juski:

ah

[20:06:38]

RockClimber:

no I know

[20:06:45]

RockClimber:

just want normal sky

[20:06:56]

RockClimber:

well, freesat

[20:07:04]

juski:

$ky HD ain't all that – I've seen it side by side with _proper_ HD

[20:07:24]

juski:

it's as blocky as freeview, but in higher res

[20:07:36]

RockClimber:

actually I ruled out sky hd as there isn't enough good stuff yet

[20:07:42]

juski:

heh

[20:07:46]

RockClimber:

eventually freeview will go hd

[20:07:52]

juski:

don't bank on it

[20:08:08]

RockClimber:

it'll need all nw hardware though

[20:08:15]

juski:

http://mythtvguy.wordpress.com/2006/12/20/the-digital-dividend/

[20:08:53]

juski:

folks getting the london hd test muxes have serious issues getting the h.264 hd to playback on anything less than insane hardware

[20:09:21]

amphibian:

tv_grab_uk_rt

[20:09:24]

amphibian:

what is it and how do i get it?

[20:09:41]

juski:

amphibian: install xmltv

[20:09:53]

juski:

it's the UK's free programme guide grabber

[20:09:56]

amphibian:

that isn't a dependancy? eeeeeek

[20:10:01]

RockClimber:

actually I suppose adsl2+ is more likely as a source of hd in the future

[20:10:13]

RockClimber:

the BBC has lots of bandwidth :-)

[20:10:26]

juski:

it takes xmltv feeds direct from the radiotimes website & gets you up to 14 days worth of programme guide data for a lot of UK channels

[20:10:33]

amphibian:

lots of bandwidth is expensive

[20:10:44]

amphibian:

radio times does an xmltv feed now? i thought it was ananova or something?

[20:10:49]

amphibian:

cool anyway

[20:10:53]

juski:

hasn't been ananova for years

[20:11:00]

bluey- (bluey-!n=bluey@dslb-088-073-093-075.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:11:15]

RockClimber:

justki what did you mean by " RockClimber: dvb-s card, CAM & CI" does such a card exist?

[20:11:50]

juski:

RockClimber: yes but exactly how legal it is to use for freesat is up for debate and can't be discussed here

[20:12:04]

juski:

and that's because of $ky's encripplement

[20:12:38]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@125.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[20:14:38]

RockClimber:

isn't the decryption handled by the hardware?

[20:14:47]

Tatster_ (Tatster_!n=tatster@80-193-5-25.cable.ubr06.gill.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:14:51]

darkdrgn2k:

RockClimber: usually a cam

[20:15:10]

juski:

yeah & that's the subject of the legality issues

[20:15:26]

juski:

$ky haven't licenced their encripplement to anyone else

[20:15:45]

juski:

(the greedy beggars)

[20:16:23]

juski:

course you could always just side-step the dvb-s card, CI & CAM & use the freesat box with a pvr150 or similar

[20:16:33]

sysrq (sysrq!n=sysrq@unaffiliated/sysrq) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:16:42]

darkdrgn2k:

but no HD

[20:16:44]

juski:

because it's not as if you can share a card & cam between 2 cards legally anyway

[20:17:05]

juski:

1 viewing card per seat...

[20:17:46]

RockClimber:

can myth tv control the sky box then?

[20:18:47]

juski:

yeah with an IR blaster

[20:18:55]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@159.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:19:02]

sysrq:

can someone explain the difference with regards to MythTV support between the PVR (1|2|3)50 series cards?

[20:19:54]

juski:

sysrq: pvr150/pvr250 are single tuner capture cards which encode mpeg2 streams in hardware on the card

[20:20:02]

juski:

pvr500 is like 2 pvr150 cards on one card

[20:20:15]

sysrq:

and the 350 just does encoding and decoding on card

[20:20:20]

fryfrog:

and the 350 has tv out (aka "a waste")

[20:20:23]

juski:

pvr350 is like a pvr150 card but it features a tvoutput attached to an mpeg2 decoder aswell

[20:20:24]

sysrq:

lol

[20:20:37]

fryfrog:

actually, the pvr350 is more like the 250

[20:20:41]

juski:

don't waste your money on a pvr350

[20:20:45]

sysrq:

so then what's the difference between 250 and 150 then

[20:20:57]

juski:

150 is newer & allegedly slightly better quality

[20:20:58]

fryfrog:

The way to go is hands down the 150, unless you are limited on PCI slots, then the 500

[20:21:18]

Tatster_:

Hi. I'm just starting on getting a Mythtv setup. I have got a TV card in a machine in my loft running as backend. I'm looking at hardware for my frontend. Can someone explain about changing channels etc with a remote, please

[20:21:19]

fryfrog:

the 150 has fewer onboard chips and is cheaper, it supplants the 250

[20:21:30]

Tatster_:

What hardware would I need for the frontend?

[20:21:32]

sysrq:

ah alright

[20:21:37]

jblack:

the pchdtv 5500 is pretty cool. Support comes with the vanilla kernel and there's no firmware crap to deal ith.

[20:21:48]

jblack:

plug it in and go

[20:21:49]

RockClimber:

what's the "best" analogue output from a myth box? a tv running on a vga out?

[20:21:56]

juski:

Tatster_: a CPU, some RAM and a VGA card would be a minimum. oh and a PSU no doubt

[20:21:58]

Rince:

jblack: how much?

[20:22:01]

fryfrog:

Tatster_: that is a huge question and i'm sure some of the docs, readmes and how to's go into it

[20:22:07]

fryfrog:

er, can be found it

[20:22:11]

juski:

RockClimber: yeah if your tv has vga out

[20:22:21]

juski:

er.. in I mean

[20:22:24]

jblack:

They're about 130 US, but do a whole bunch of protocols, and have a sound mixer built in.

[20:22:36]

sysrq:

fryfrog: so then you would recommend the 150 over the 250

[20:22:44]

juski:

I would too

[20:22:49]

RockClimber:

I ran a scart in from a vga out once – just a couple of resistors

[20:22:52]

Tatster_:

but in principle – if I get a remote, and some sort of receiver attached to the frontend – will it control changing channels on the backend?

[20:22:58]

sysrq:

alright thanks guys

[20:23:00]

juski:

RockClimber: not quite so simple on nvidia cards

[20:23:03]

fryfrog:

sysrq: You probably can't *find* the 250 *new* most places, hauppage replaced it with the 150

[20:23:23]

fryfrog:

Tatster_: yeah, you can hook up remotes with myth, its the best way to use it :)

[20:23:25]

juski:

Tatster_: that's the general idea

[20:23:29]

sysrq:

I already built my mythbox and set it up but right now it's just acting as a media center type setup since I don't have any capture cards

[20:23:37]

fryfrog:

Tatster_: you'll need to make sure it is *supported* by lirc well enough

[20:23:38]

sysrq:

now to hit ebay to fix that

[20:23:57]

** juski slaps his forehead **

[20:24:05]

fryfrog:

*new* PVR150s are like $45 or so, afaik

[20:24:08]

juski:

not another framegrabber wannabe.. nooooooooo! ;)

[20:24:30]

juski:

if you can help it, please don't just buy A TUNER CARD

[20:24:32]

fryfrog:

framegrabber wannabe?

[20:24:42]

sysrq:

yea that's why I came here to ask

[20:24:50]

fryfrog:

he didn't say "tuner card"?

[20:25:19]

juski:

if it's for analogue TV or grabbing from a set top box, get a pvr150 or pvr500 & save yourself a boatload of crappyness :)

[20:25:35]

fryfrog:

are you talking to sysrq ?

[20:25:39]

juski:

(and possibly introduce a different set of crappyness)

[20:25:52]

juski:

just a general appeal really

[20:25:57]

juski:

down with framegrabbers!

[20:26:06]

jblack:

btw, the pchdtv does mpeg.

[20:26:11]

fryfrog:

cause sysrq came in and asked *specifically* about the PVR series of cards :p

[20:26:24]

juski:

jblack: no it doesn't. not from its analogue tuner

[20:26:54]

fryfrog:

who buys an HD card to go and do much analog input? :p

[20:27:20]

jblack:

juski: the 5500?

[20:27:21]

fryfrog:

but yeah, the non-mpeg2 hardware encoding (for not-hd stuff) cards suck

[20:27:29]

juski:

there are cards which will do DVB & mpeg2 encoding on one card but driver support in linux... oh dear.. not yet

[20:27:36]

juski:

jblack: yeah that one

[20:27:38]

fryfrog:

jblack: yes, the 5500 which can get the "analog" channels is just a bit-banging interface

[20:27:43]

fryfrog:

it doesn't have an mpeg2 encoder

[20:27:49]

juski:

it's a HDTV tuner & framegrabber

[20:27:53]

fryfrog:

because the HD portion is *already* mpeg2 encoded

[20:28:00]

juski:

yup ^^^#

[20:28:38]

fryfrog:

i guess they figure the card is *already* $130 bucks, why add another $30+ to give mpeg2 from analog channels on an *HD* card :)

[20:29:46]

jblack:

Sorry. I guess I'm confused.

[20:29:52]

Tatster (Tatster!n=tatster@80-193-5-25.cable.ubr06.gill.blueyonder.co.uk) has quit (No route to host)

[20:30:19]

juski:

trust folks here to always put you right (most of the time) :)

[20:30:43]

plasmid (plasmid!n=yeti@c-68-34-164-84.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:30:44]

fryfrog:

they probably don't make a big deal out of mentioning that while it does *analog*, it *doesn't* do it in mpeg2

[20:30:55]

jams:

certain folks....

[20:30:56]

amphibian:

:)

[20:31:09]

fryfrog:

just like the crappy, $10–20 tv cards *say* they can encode in mpeg2,4,xvid, etc

[20:31:18]

jblack:

Ok. I definitely need to be put right on this.

[20:31:22]

juski:

too many manufacturers/resellers of framegrabbers market their stuff as doing 'mpeg2/mpeg4' on the fly, but it's _software_ doing that

[20:31:37]

jblack:

Is 44–1 the same as 44 ?

[20:31:43]

amphibian is now known as toad_

[20:31:45]

juski:

44.1khz?

[20:31:55]

jblack:

channel.

[20:32:00]

juski:

no idea

[20:32:28]

toad_:

on the input connections page, you tell it to scan for channels, then you tell it to grab listings, right?

[20:32:31]

plasmid:

I am following instructions on how to setup mythtv manually.. i got to this step by this webpage: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . Installation the step: mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql gives me this error: bash:/usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql: No such file or directory.. Did i miss something?

[20:32:37]

fryfrog:

jblack: usually, its channel 44, sub channel 1

[20:32:38]

jblack:

I have an old bt878, and the 2500. For pbs, I get 44 on the 878, 44–1, 44–2, 44–3 and 44–4 on the 2500.

[20:32:53]

fryfrog:

so *generally* 44–1 would be 44

[20:33:33]

fryfrog:

thats because they can cram *way* more SD channels into the new "HD" scheme

[20:33:47]

jblack:

Generally speeking, 44–1 carries the same shows as 44.

[20:34:02]

juski:

plasmid: try locating the mc.sql file yourself & find out where it is, or if you're on debian/ubuntu/kubuntu. it's already done for you with the mythtv-database package

[20:34:10]

fryfrog:

ie, a single old SD channel can carry like... one HD channel and a few SD, afaik

[20:34:23]

jblack:

what confuses me the most is the "hdtv" channels sometimes have hdtv shows, and sometimes they don't.

[20:34:40]

fryfrog:

sucks, eh?

[20:34:40]

plasmid:

juski: i am on suse 10.2 so do a find mc.sql?? and if it isn't there how do I create a new one?

[20:34:45]

Peggerrr:

anyone have comcast in boston???

[20:34:50]

fryfrog:

i hate it when they don't *change* the settings they broadcast...

[20:35:06]

fryfrog:

so a show like the simpsons that *isn't* HD takes up like 4G

[20:35:11]

jblack:

It doesn't bother me much, because I have to ranscode anyways.

[20:35:43]

bluey- (bluey-!n=bluey@dslb-088-073-093-075.pools.arcor-ip.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[20:35:50]

jblack:

I'm just confused. broadcast HDTV that's not hdtv?

[20:35:54]

juski:

plasmid: try the locate command

[20:36:26]

plasmid:

juski: found it.. it is in /usr/share/doc/packages/mythtv/database/mc.sql

[20:36:39]

monkeyBox (monkeyBox!n=bdavis@cpe-76-184-251-250.tx.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:36:50]

juski:

there you go :)

[20:37:24]

plasmid:

juski: so just type mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/doc/packages/mythtv/database/mc.sql or copy it to /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql?

[20:37:37]

stevenh (stevenh!n=lews@65.167.23.3) has quit ("Leaving")

[20:38:35]

monkeyBox:

Hi all. I'm curious about the state of HD in the U.S. and MythTV. I can see that there are no tuner cards out there that will work w/ content providers such as DirectTV, etc. Are there any realistic solutions on the horizon for HD?

[20:39:57]

darkdrgn2k:

plasmid: you cannot just copy it to there....

[20:40:03]

xris:

monkeyBox: over the air, or firewire via digital cable

[20:40:04]

darkdrgn2k:

plasmid: u need to type in mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/doc/packages/mythtv/database/mc.sql

[20:40:23]

xris:

monkeyBox: the satellite side of things has nothing to do with mythtv. It just doesn't work.

[20:40:28]

Anduin (Anduin!n=awithers@adsl-69-110-11-237.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:40:36]

fryfrog:

monkeyBox: there can basically never be a solution for satalite based HD

[20:40:41]

darkdrgn2k:

xris: it works. thers jus tno free HD out there

[20:40:49]

plasmid:

darkdrgn2k: ok.. doing it now.. thanx

[20:40:50]

darkdrgn2k:

fryfrog: why not?

[20:40:55]

xris:

darkdrgn2k: what do you mean? plenty of free HD over the air

[20:40:57]

schtinky (schtinky!n=cyrus@74-140-232-159.dhcp.insightbb.com) has quit ("Leaving")

[20:41:03]

darkdrgn2k:

xris: not where i am :(

[20:41:09]

xris:

darkdrgn2k: that's another issue.

[20:41:10]

darkdrgn2k:

xris: i mean over satalite

[20:41:26]

xris:

no free HD for satellite, no.

[20:41:41]

xris:

no legal computer-recorded HD for satellite, period.

[20:41:41]

fryfrog:

darkdrgn2k: it will never happen because DirecTV and Dish won't allow it

[20:41:42]

darkdrgn2k:

xris: but as long as you have a valid cam if ones provided you should be able to et it

[20:41:50]

fryfrog:

and it is illegal to "break" into it

[20:42:05]

darkdrgn2k:

fryfrog: yes.. ovriosuly those bastards.........

[20:42:18]

darkdrgn2k:

fryfrog: to bad there are no HDTV cards with like DVI or component :-P

[20:42:28]

fryfrog:

darkdrgn2k: hehe, i concur!

[20:42:39]

fryfrog:

darkdrgn2k: actually, there is a HDMI input card coming out

[20:42:47]

fryfrog:

not sure if it'll ever have linix support, but who knows

[20:43:10]

fryfrog:

component i doubt will happen for a while, it is analog and would need a *massivly* powerful mpeg2 converter chip onboard

[20:43:18]

xris:

fryfrog: that will have to be one pricy card.. unless it doesn't encode.

[20:43:24]

fryfrog:

they exist now, but i think are quite expensive cards

[20:43:28]

darkdrgn2k:

fryfrog: and to bad the "uhh your the one sending microwave frequencies into MY back yeard, i didnt ask for it.. so its abbandoned property and IF i choose to modify the signal to clear up any encryption you may have in there is non of your buisness" argument doesnt work

[20:43:31]

fryfrog:

xris: the compoennt or dvi?

[20:43:36]

xris:

fryfrog: either.

[20:43:44]

xris:

dvi/hdmi signal is not compressed

[20:43:48]

fryfrog:

dvi is digital, so as long as it isn't encrypted it'd be easy

[20:43:50]

fryfrog:

oh

[20:43:52]

fryfrog:

really?

[20:44:04]

xris:

sort of defeats the purpose...

[20:44:17]

xris:

otherwise, your dvi monitor would be full of mpeg artifacts

[20:44:18]

fryfrog:

but i imagine dvi/hdmi is probably cheaper to compress than an analog stream

[20:44:19]

monkeyBox:

xris: how does firewire w/ digital cable work? Does the cable provide have to support it, or do you have to request support for it?

[20:44:28]

xris:

fryfrog: why? pixels are pixels.

[20:44:47]

fryfrog:

but component *isn't* pixels

[20:45:00]

xris:

monkeyBox: usually have to request it. and cable providers are required by law to provide it if you ask (most do, but there are rumors of lingering providers still acting up).

[20:45:03]

fryfrog:

at least dvi/hdmi is digital already

[20:45:12]

xris:

fryfrog: but it would be turned into pixels by the input card

[20:45:22]

juski:

xris: hiya. been playing some more.. www.juski.co.uk/test/

[20:45:30]

fryfrog:

monkeyBox: it is kind of a pot shot, there are FCC rules requiring all cable companys to *offer* firewire output

[20:45:39]

xris:

juski: cool

[20:45:43]

darkdrgn2k:

really? Nice!

[20:45:50]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@159.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[20:45:52]

fryfrog:

that doesn't actually mean that it is required to not be encrypted

[20:46:01]

xris:

fryfrog: yes, it does.

[20:46:04]

fryfrog:

which means they can 5c *any* info coming off it

[20:46:06]

darkdrgn2k:

what sht epoint of an encrypted firewire then?

[20:46:11]

monkeyBox:

so, is the content provided over firewire "raw"? that is, without the cable company's own program guide and ui?

[20:46:18]

fryfrog:

xris: afaik, they can 5c what ever channels they want

[20:46:23]

xris:

fryfrog: it doesn't say they have to provide you anything other than broadcast channels.

[20:46:27]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@66.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:46:29]

RockClimber (RockClimber!n=lynsey@86.111.167.55) has quit ("Leaving")

[20:46:33]

fryfrog:

xris: since the firewire TVs it hooks to support it

[20:46:49]

fryfrog:

xris: ah, okay yeah the "local" channels that are FTA are probably not 5c over firewire

[20:47:09]

xris:

fryfrog: they can encrypt their own channels as much as they want. the firewire law only states that they must provide SD (480p) versions of channels that you could receive HD over the air.

[20:47:11]

fryfrog:

monkeyBox: that all said, you have to try to find out... but if it works, firewire is (imho) the best way to get tv to you rmyth

[20:47:50]

monkeyBox:

fryfrog: ok, thanks

[20:47:53]

fryfrog:

xris: Are we talking about the *output* from the firewire port or their requiremtn for carrying the HD/SD local channels *ON CABLE* unencrypted?

[20:47:54]

toad_:

hmmm

[20:48:06]

toad_:

so is there any chance of a uk cable box providing a firewire output?

[20:48:12]

toad_:

they're probably the same hardware, no?

[20:48:13]

xris:

fryfrog: firewire output

[20:48:16]

fryfrog:

monkeyBox: I have a pair of DCT6412 (the HD DVR from comcast) that send *every* channel I get unencrypted

[20:48:21]

monkeyBox:

I heard ATI is making a cablecard tuner, the "OCUR" as they call it. Unfortunately it will only work on approved PC's :-(

[20:48:29]

xris:

toad_: no law, so the chance is slim

[20:48:35]

fryfrog:

toad_: look and see if it has one, but i don't think i've seen anyone from the UK in here say you come close

[20:48:48]

xris:

monkeyBox: that's the problem with cablecard.. it's only legal as a closed system — no whitebox building allowed.

[20:49:02]

monkeyBox:

fryfrog: really? every channel unencrypted?

[20:49:07]

monkeyBox:

that's encouraging

[20:49:09]

fryfrog:

monkeyBox: every channel i pay for

[20:49:19]

fryfrog:

monkeyBox: the *box* itself of course won't let me access channels I don't pay for

[20:49:22]

xris:

toad_: what you get in the UK is DVB, which is different tech than american digital cable.. and has plenty of available hardware to record.

[20:49:28]

monkeyBox:

(as expected)

[20:49:30]

fryfrog:

but the ones that are HD and encrypted, I can get over firewire

[20:49:35]

toad_:

mythtv-setup could do with some work... it tends to ask for console input even though it goes fullscreen i.e. you have to run it from DISPLAY=:0.0 over ssh

[20:49:45]

fryfrog:

for example, I get 6 HD channels on my HD Tuner cards (air2pc) all of which are FTA

[20:49:57]

scopeuk:

or use alt + tab

[20:50:03]

monkeyBox:

interesting.

[20:50:04]

fryfrog:

841 (TNTHD) I can't get on them, but I *can* from the firewire on the DCT6412

[20:50:05]

toad_:

it also tends to go away for ages not giving feedback

[20:50:34]

toad_:

fryfrog: it's possible to record uk cable? there are no channel lists in debian's copy of the examples dir for uk cable

[20:50:37]

fryfrog:

course, that also means that in a year i am buying a new tuner card or two in rental fees :(

[20:50:55]

fryfrog:

toad_: sorry, i'm a US guy i don't know shit about your UK setups

[20:51:01]

toad_:

hmmm ok

[20:51:32]

toad_:

will probably just stick with DVB-T...

[20:51:47]

xris:

toad_: short answer is "yes".. long answer is that you'd have to find someone to show you how to use dvb-c hardware.

[20:52:06]

toad_:

xris: so a "yes but it's really difficult" then?

[20:52:18]

toad_:

e.g. i'd need a scan file

[20:52:32]

toad_:

scan input file

[20:52:40]

xris:

toad_: not sure, there. there's usually EIT data on dvb signals, though

[20:53:08]

toad_:

hmmm maybe something to ask the mailing list about then

[20:53:39]

toad_:

it should be possible to use myth with a DVB-T card and a DVB-C card at the same time?

[20:53:48]

janneg:

yes

[20:53:59]

fryfrog:

yea

[20:54:54]

toad_:

that's a reason to delay getting another tuner card at least until that's sorted out...

[20:54:56]

janneg:

toad_: you can probably use other dvb-c scanfiles

[20:55:00]

toad_:

Error inserting person

[20:55:02]

toad_:

aieeee

[20:55:07]

toad_:

what does that mean?

[20:55:35]

fryfrog:

i means the person you are trying to cram into your trunk is to big :p

[20:55:48]

toad_:

will it be catastrophic?

[20:55:53]

toad_:

no, it's continuing...

[20:56:07]

toad_:

searching for specific actors is not essential functionality to me...

[20:56:31]

toad_:

might be caused by more serious things which might mess everything up though?

[20:56:39]

toad_:

it's running mythfilldatabase

[20:56:48]

rpz^ (rpz^!n=paulknig@host81-158-74-240.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:57:04]

toad_:

or does that always generate loads of irrelevant errors? :)

[20:57:36]

VibroMax (VibroMax!n=phisto@83.229.70.154) has quit (Connection timed out)

[20:57:50]

rpz^:

Hello, I'm trying to write a PVR type system for a university project. I'm really unsure how to go about changing the channel from a web based interface – I've already tried using Dante's CGI tuning solution but to no avail, can anyone suggest how I can achieve my goal?

[20:58:16]

juski:

toad_: are you in the UK?

[20:58:20]

toad_:

juski: yes

[20:58:36]

toad_:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query Database error was: Duplicate entry 'Egg*Andrew LincolnMiles*Jack DavenportAnn' for key 2

[20:58:41]

janneg:

the frequencies and parameters differ don't much in europe

[20:58:46]

juski:

then you really don't want to use a dvb-c tuner, or the cable company can have yo' ass

[20:58:50]

toad_:

Driver error was [2/1062]:

[20:58:52]

toad_:

hmmm

[20:58:57]

toad_:

juski: :(

[20:59:13]

juski:

read the T&Cs of your service agreement

[20:59:45]

juski:

plus they encripple the streams, generally, and they don't let you have a hardware CAM

[20:59:56]

toad_:

what's CAM?

[21:00:04]

juski:

conditional access module

[21:00:11]

juski:

to decripple encrippled streams

[21:00:53]

juski:

so dvb-c, in the UK at least, you'd be at least violating your cableco's T&Cs.. any more than that & you'd be breaking the law

[21:01:35]

xris:

rpz^: sort of odd to ask a question like that in a channel dedicated to a system that already works.

[21:01:38]

juski:

yeah it sucks. I'd love to be able to grab streams digitally from my cable, but I can't

[21:01:54]

rpz^:

xris: I couldn't think of anywhere else to ask the question to be honest

[21:02:05]

fryfrog:

and a *support* channel :)

[21:02:08]

xris:

rpz^: looking at the sourcecode is probably a good start

[21:02:19]

fryfrog:

maybe the mythtv devs would be helpfuller, but i dunno if they are even friendly people

[21:02:26]

toad_:

juski: indeed

[21:02:27]

juski:

it's prolly more a licencing agreement with major distributors than a lack of wanting to comply with their customers, IMHO

[21:02:43]

toad_:

juski: i only have the ubercheap cable though; probably have more channels on freeview

[21:02:53]

juski:

anyway.. I'm dying to see This life 10 years on

[21:03:29]

toad_:

is it possible that the name string being inserted is just too long?

[21:03:34]

toad_:

INSERT INTO people (name) VALUES ('Egg*Andrew LincolnMiles*Jack DavenportAnna*Daniela NardiniWarren*Jason HughesMilly*Amita DhiriMe-Linh*Linh-Dan PhamClare*Jodie WhittakerDr Mallin*Deborah FindlayOscar*Shakeel Orr-Deen');

[21:03:38]

toad_:

that causes an error

[21:03:53]

toad_:

i think that was _all_ the errors in fact

[21:04:03]

toad_:

i bet that's a fixed length field, and it doesn't fit

[21:04:19]

toad_:

Duplicate entry 'Egg*Andrew LincolnMiles*Jack DavenportAnn' for key 2

[21:04:25]

toad_:

that's more worrying though

[21:04:46]

toad_:

bbiab

[21:04:54]

Inssomniak:

after watching TV for a while, you cant go back to the main menu, it is just a black screen, anyone else have this?

[21:05:27]

jams:

Inssomniak- yes I see it, don't know what causes it though

[21:05:58]

jams:

cant say it's REALLY bugged me enough to look at it

[21:08:12]

Inssomniak:

I cant do anything after that

[21:08:17]

Inssomniak:

I have to restart the frontend

[21:08:24]

jams:

yep

[21:08:32]

Inssomniak:

it happens for me every time

[21:08:38]

Inssomniak:

I watch tv for a while

[21:08:42]

jams:

sometimes if you wait long enough it will come around

[21:09:07]

jams:

awhile being more then 2–3 hours?

[21:09:19]

Inssomniak:

like 1/2 hour sometimes

[21:09:23]

crayzee (crayzee!n=crayzee@82.153.34.189) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:09:27]

nvzn (nvzn!n=nvzn@dormir.dreaming.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:09:27]

Inssomniak:

most definately within 2 hours

[21:10:29]

jams:

is this a seperate frontend or a combined system?

[21:11:02]

crayzee:

Something weird happens with mythtv. I have been following the linuxtv dvb mailing list for months, thinking it is a driver issue with one of my cards, however, it only ever occurs when mythfrontend is open. What happens is my dvb-t card stops working, as does my keyboard. I can VNC in and type away happily, but I cannot use the keyboard connected to the computer. Also, all USB stops working. I can't think what it might be, but thats why I ask you

[21:11:02]

crayzee:

guys...

[21:11:44]

kormoc:

have you tried using different kernel versions?

[21:12:00]

jams:

is your keyboard usb as well?

[21:14:06]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@66.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[21:14:29]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@179.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:15:02]

jams:

guess the keyboard locked up again

[21:15:06]

sinisterguy (sinisterguy!n=wasted@CPE00131025897e-CM0014045b6464.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit ("I'm an IRC virus, blah blah, whatever.")

[21:15:08]

Inssomniak:

jams, is seperate FE

[21:16:08]

nvzn:

when trying to start the backend in debian i get

[21:16:11]

nvzn:

Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

[21:16:18]

ScriptBlue__ is now known as ScriptBlue

[21:16:28]

nvzn:

wh?

[21:16:33]

nvzn:

why?

[21:22:02]

crayzee:

Sorry

[21:22:09]

plasmid:

as root to setup mysql database mythconverg I did this: mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/doc/packages/mythtv/database/mc.sql (that's where my mc.sql is located per the instructions onhttp://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_M . . . stallation). Everything went smoothly upto the part of mythtv-setup where it says it cannot find the database: 2007-01–02 16:11:42.987 Database not open while trying to save setting: Language

[21:22:09]

plasmid:

2007-01–02 16:11:42.988 Unable to connect to database!

[21:22:12]

periscope (periscope!n=periscop@74-140-4-198.dhcp.insightbb.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[21:22:16]

crayzee:

jams: no it is PS/2. And the mouse is too, but that keeps working

[21:22:53]

plasmid:

plasmid: did I miss something setting mythtv?

[21:22:53]

crayzee:

kormoc, yes. Loads. Self compiled, precompiled, from 2.6.15 up to 2.6.19 with varying levels of patching

[21:23:33]

crayzee:

nvzn, I don't know why, but it appears to be harmless

[21:23:53]

sinisterguy (sinisterguy!n=wasted@CPE00131025897e-CM0014045b6464.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:23:57]

Tommck_ (Tommck_!n=Tommck@69.19.21.79) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:23:58]

crayzee:

nvzn, I think it *might* be that it has qt dependencies though it doesnt actually use the display.

[21:24:06]

Tommck_ (Tommck_!n=Tommck@69.19.21.79) has left #mythtv-users ()

[21:24:07]

plasmid:

do I have to start the mythtvbackend server BEFORE running mythtv-setup (so it find the mc.sql database)?

[21:24:11]

sinisterguy:

does anyone know where i can get an ubuntu package for mythstream

[21:24:14]

hardnova (hardnova!n=yaknow@gw.neurometrics.net) has quit ("screw you guys im going home")

[21:24:38]

crayzee:

plasmid, no, make it be STOPPED before running mythtv-setup

[21:24:39]

Inssomniak:

argh!!

[21:25:04]

Inssomniak:

I just cant get this running good enough to put it into mainline use!!

[21:25:05]

plasmid:

crayzee: ok.. just making sure.. (didn't start it yet)... but mythtv-setup cannot find the database... odd.

[21:25:34]

Inssomniak:

"2007-01–02 16:24:28.607 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times." filling the screen for no apparent reason!!

[21:25:34]

kormoc:

plasmid, did you import the mc.sql file?

[21:26:54]

plasmid:

kormoc: is this correct: mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/doc/packages/mythtv/database/mc.sql ?

[21:27:01]

DVBMark:

FYI Kormoc, that was a plugin issue last night, found out you have to press F1 to switch between myth commands and keyboard input, still working like a top, heh haven't tried yet but thought I would ask you, the top keys on the kbd, are they learnable so that you can map plugins to them?

[21:27:08]

kormoc:

plasmid, looks correct, aye

[21:27:10]

plasmid:

kormoc: currently running Suse 10.2 fyi.

[21:27:35]

BULLE:

plasmid: are you a puc plasmid ?

[21:27:43]

plasmid:

kormoc: if the above is correct then mythtv-setup should find the db... apparently it does not.

[21:27:47]

plasmid:

BULLE: come again?

[21:27:57]

kormoc:

DVBMark, I think they should work with somethink akin to lineakd or perhaps lirc. I'm not entirely sure

[21:28:27]

BULLE:

plasmid: oh, nothing, thought you might acualy work with plasmids in real life, pUC is a very common plasmid, used for lots of diff things

[21:28:28]

DVBMark:

k will check into it.

[21:28:59]

BULLE:

plasmid: http://wine1.sb.fsu.edu/bch5425/lect25/lect25.htm

[21:29:04]

plasmid:

BULLE: ahh ..hehe.....yes I chose the name plasmid since I like what they do.

[21:29:20]

plasmid:

BULLE: back from my BIO professor.

[21:29:59]

** BULLE have messed around with lots of pUC plasmids **

[21:31:42]

plasmid:

hmm.. mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/doc/packages/mythtv/database/mc.sql should have imported the mc.sql file... BUT according to these instructions (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . nstallation) the path is different: mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql DOes it matter?

[21:32:22]

plasmid:

However, in Suse 10.2 the mc.sql file is located in /usr/share/doc/

[21:34:12]

sinisterguy (sinisterguy!n=wasted@CPE00131025897e-CM0014045b6464.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit ("Lost terminal")

[21:34:13]

BULLE:

the path is realy up to whoever built the actual package

[21:34:30]

BULLE:

so no, as long as its the right mc.sql file, the actual path has no relevance

[21:34:32]

nvzn:

GreyFoxx: any idea if this message is related to myth-backend not running?

[21:34:35]

nvzn:

Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

[21:34:45]

plasmid:

One question: if I have cable TV (provider=comcass) is setting up mythtv useless due to DRM?

[21:34:47]

plasmid:

BULLE: i c.

[21:35:02]

nvzn:

from /etc/init.d/myth-backend restart

[21:35:10]

crayzee:

nvzn, I have that error message each time I start myth-backend and it works fine

[21:35:25]

nvzn:

crayzee: unfortunately it doesnt work fine here

[21:35:38]

crayzee:

It is unrelated to that error.

[21:35:54]

crayzee:

Have you tried running mythbackend on its own without using the init.d script?

[21:36:10]

crayzee:

It gives out more gunk, which you can try and decipher that way. Good luck, nvzn.

[21:36:17]

nvzn:

ty

[21:36:50]

nvzn:

thanks alot, that actually helped

[21:37:01]

Inssomniak:

where do you change the ringbuffer size?

[21:41:50]

echosyp (echosyp!n=fu@wsip-70-183-83-201.dl.dl.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:42:26]

echosyp:

can anyone reccommend a good usb/pcmcia/network tv tuner

[21:42:28]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@179.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[21:43:01]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@182.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:45:07]

echosyp:

something i could get at best buy/circuit city or compusa

[21:46:42]

Inssomniak:

what do you want? ATSC? DVB? NTSC?

[21:49:07]

Tatster_ (Tatster_!n=tatster@80-193-5-25.cable.ubr06.gill.blueyonder.co.uk) has quit ()

[21:49:21]

echosyp:

im not sure

[21:49:26]

echosyp:

NTSC sounds familiar

[21:51:06]

seth|laptop (seth|laptop!n=sjerome@198.8.33.8) has left #mythtv-users ()

[21:53:39]

plasmid:

when setting up mythtv-setup: I get this message: Mythtv could not conect to database.. please check settings.. etc... is the cause of this problem mc.sql or? Trying to narrow it down... I already did a: mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/doc/packages/mythtv/database/mc.sql

[21:54:38]

monkeyBox (monkeyBox!n=bdavis@cpe-76-184-251-250.tx.res.rr.com) has quit ("Leaving")

[21:54:59]

Bazil_ (Bazil_!i=user@tn-84-218-40-102.dsl.bredbandsbolaget.se) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:55:02]

Bazil_ (Bazil_!i=user@tn-84-218-40-102.dsl.bredbandsbolaget.se) has left #mythtv-users ()

[21:55:12]

echosyp:

so many people, such little help

[21:55:52]

plasmid:

it's New Years .. we are still recuperating from alcohol poisoning.

[21:56:07]

echosyp:

new years was yesterday

[21:56:18]

plasmid:

echosyp: like i said.. i am still recuperating.

[21:56:32]

echosyp:

gotcha

[21:58:03]

Dibblah:

echosyp: Try not being confrontational, and check the settings in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

[21:58:26]

Dibblah:

mc.sql is not your issue, it's "stock".

[21:58:50]

Dibblah:

Also, you may find it easier to follow a guide. Jarod's is popular.

[21:59:26]

plasmid:

Dibblah: what is "stock?

[21:59:46]

Dibblah:

Default. Normal. Doesn't need edited.

[22:01:56]

plasmid:

so when you say: mc.sql is not your issue... it's stock.(which is normal) what could be causing mythtv-setup not finding the database?

[22:03:40]

toad_:

it wants me to run /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend but that just fetches a load of files all of which get 401 Unauthorized and fail

[22:04:31]

scott_ (scott_!n=scott_@cpe-66-74-236-252.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:04:31]

defaultro (defaultro!n=def@c-67-184-215-105.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[22:04:47]

slowone:

echosyp: are you planning to use xyz device here in the us with cox cable?

[22:04:48]

toad_:

hmmm then it seems to do something

[22:05:09]

Dibblah:

plasmid: Ummm... Read all of what I wrote above?

[22:05:30]

Dibblah:

Life is, in fact _not_ more fun when you miss bits.

[22:08:09]

mhespenh (mhespenh!n=yitz4ch@va-71-51-0-62.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:08:20]

Inssomniak:

in my honest opinion, get an NTSC/ATSC device

[22:08:26]

Inssomniak:

NTSC is shortly dead

[22:09:20]

slowone:

i was gona point him to the new usb haupauge thingy(ntsc/atsc) but cant spot linux drivers for it :(

[22:10:42]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@182.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[22:11:03]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@66.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:12:15]

plasmid:

Dibblah: if I understand you correctly, "Default. Normal. Doesnt need edited" = stock = my problem

[22:12:57]

Dibblah:

No.

[22:13:24]

Dibblah:

"check the settings in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt"

[22:13:36]

Dibblah:

As I said before.

[22:13:45]

plasmid:

Dibblah: ahh i c.. that comment was meant for me.

[22:14:15]

Dibblah:

Actually, I didn't scroll back and just responded to the apparent problem :)

[22:14:44]

mhespenh (mhespenh!n=yitz4ch@va-71-51-0-62.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[22:15:25]

plasmid:

Dibblah: from the looks of it... DBNAME=mythconverg ...and everything else "seems" in order. Is there a particular section of code I should be focusing on?

[22:16:25]

scott___ (scott___!n=scott_@cpe-66-74-236-252.socal.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[22:16:54]

plasmid:

Dibblah: not much in this text file though... MOstly comments which are not relevant to my problem of mythtv-setup not finding the mc.sql. Hmm.

[22:20:04]

Inssomniak:

what exactly does this mean when it gets displayed? does it indicate a problem? 2007-01–02 16:24:28.607 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.

[22:20:18]

Inssomniak:

AND: Waited 1.0 seconds for data to become available...

[22:20:25]

Inssomniak:

if its normal Ill ignore them

[22:20:42]

scopeuk (scopeuk!n=Scope@cpc2-mfld2-0-0-cust20.nott.cable.ntl.com) has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out))

[22:21:13]

scopeuk (scopeuk!n=Scope@cpc2-mfld2-0-0-cust20.nott.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:26:16]

Dibblah:

plasmid: For some reason, Myth can't connect to the mysql database.

[22:26:29]

Dibblah:

mc.sql isn't your problem.

[22:27:09]

radi0head (radi0head!n=freaksho@modemcable228.95-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:27:09]

jonty_ (jonty_!n=jonty@81.168.112.30) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:27:09]

Blaksmith (Blaksmith!n=blak@ip67-94-36-93.z36-94-67.customer.algx.net) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:27:09]

NHIwerx (NHIwerx!n=frank@134.100.58.143) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:27:09]

roz (roz!n=roz@ip68-13-22-128.om.om.cox.net) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:27:09]

sysrq (sysrq!n=sysrq@unaffiliated/sysrq) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:27:09]

MooingLemur (MooingLemur!n=troy@unaffiliated/mooinglemur) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:27:09]

meshugga (meshugga!i=philip@loeblich.linuxteam.at) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:27:15]

Dibblah:

Either your username, password or IP address for your mysql server is wrong in that text file.

[22:27:35]

Dibblah:

Or your mysql server isn't running.

[22:28:26]

sysrq (sysrq!n=sysrq@unaffiliated/sysrq) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:28:26]

radi0head (radi0head!n=freaksho@modemcable228.95-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:28:26]

jonty_ (jonty_!n=jonty@81.168.112.30) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:28:26]

Blaksmith (Blaksmith!n=blak@ip67-94-36-93.z36-94-67.customer.algx.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:28:26]

MooingLemur (MooingLemur!n=troy@unaffiliated/mooinglemur) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:28:26]

NHIwerx (NHIwerx!n=frank@134.100.58.143) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:28:26]

roz (roz!n=roz@ip68-13-22-128.om.om.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:28:26]

meshugga (meshugga!i=philip@loeblich.linuxteam.at) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:28:26]

Dibblah:

Or you have missed out one of the multitude of steps to success.

[22:28:35]

Dibblah:

As detailed in the Book Of Jarod.

[22:32:24]

xris:

Inssomniak: it happens sometimes.. if things continue to work while you get the notice, you can ignore it.

[22:32:32]

hashbang (hashbang!n=nosuch@213-152-35-50.dsl.eclipse.net.uk) has quit ("Client exiting")

[22:33:06]

Inssomniak:

xris, the "prebuffer wait timeout 10 times" causes things to stop working, and fills the screen, but I just dont know where to start looking

[22:33:45]

NHIwerx (NHIwerx!n=frank@134.100.58.143) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:33:45]

Blaksmith (Blaksmith!n=blak@ip67-94-36-93.z36-94-67.customer.algx.net) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:33:45]

roz (roz!n=roz@ip68-13-22-128.om.om.cox.net) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:33:45]

sysrq (sysrq!n=sysrq@unaffiliated/sysrq) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:33:45]

jonty_ (jonty_!n=jonty@81.168.112.30) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:33:45]

meshugga (meshugga!i=philip@loeblich.linuxteam.at) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:33:45]

MooingLemur (MooingLemur!n=troy@unaffiliated/mooinglemur) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:33:45]

radi0head (radi0head!n=freaksho@modemcable228.95-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:34:08]

sysrq (sysrq!n=sysrq@unaffiliated/sysrq) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:34:08]

radi0head (radi0head!n=freaksho@modemcable228.95-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:34:08]

jonty_ (jonty_!n=jonty@81.168.112.30) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:34:08]

Blaksmith (Blaksmith!n=blak@ip67-94-36-93.z36-94-67.customer.algx.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:34:08]

MooingLemur (MooingLemur!n=troy@unaffiliated/mooinglemur) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:34:08]

NHIwerx (NHIwerx!n=frank@134.100.58.143) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:34:08]

roz (roz!n=roz@ip68-13-22-128.om.om.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:34:08]

meshugga (meshugga!i=philip@loeblich.linuxteam.at) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:34:22]

iresprite (iresprite!n=seraphim@touchstone.usg.tufts.edu) has quit ("Leaving")

[22:35:13]

plasmid:

Dibblah: yes... i must have skipped a few steps. Thanks for your help anyways. Gonna do some more reading. As I understand it... i followed some guides to the letter..http://jarpack.net/mysql-post-install (I am a 10.2 Suse user) andhttp://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/adding-users.html http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . cmyth.php#sw Seems to me i covered all bases.

[22:35:13]

plasmid:

.

[22:37:23]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@66.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[22:37:35]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@4.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:43:21]

NHIwerx (NHIwerx!n=frank@134.100.58.143) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:43:21]

Blaksmith (Blaksmith!n=blak@ip67-94-36-93.z36-94-67.customer.algx.net) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:43:21]

roz (roz!n=roz@ip68-13-22-128.om.om.cox.net) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:43:21]

sysrq (sysrq!n=sysrq@unaffiliated/sysrq) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:43:21]

jonty_ (jonty_!n=jonty@81.168.112.30) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:43:21]

meshugga (meshugga!i=philip@loeblich.linuxteam.at) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:43:21]

MooingLemur (MooingLemur!n=troy@unaffiliated/mooinglemur) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:43:21]

radi0head (radi0head!n=freaksho@modemcable228.95-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:43:44]

sysrq (sysrq!n=sysrq@unaffiliated/sysrq) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:43:44]

radi0head (radi0head!n=freaksho@modemcable228.95-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:43:44]

jonty_ (jonty_!n=jonty@81.168.112.30) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:43:44]

Blaksmith (Blaksmith!n=blak@ip67-94-36-93.z36-94-67.customer.algx.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:43:44]

MooingLemur (MooingLemur!n=troy@unaffiliated/mooinglemur) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:43:44]

NHIwerx (NHIwerx!n=frank@134.100.58.143) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:43:44]

roz (roz!n=roz@ip68-13-22-128.om.om.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:43:44]

meshugga (meshugga!i=philip@loeblich.linuxteam.at) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:44:29]

darkdrgn2k (darkdrgn2k!n=darkdrgn@206.47.255.170) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[22:46:12]

sokminer (sokminer!n=bill@pool-72-70-7-254.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:46:24]

sokminer:

hi all

[22:49:03]

sokminer:

i have a version incompatibility problem can anyone help ?

[22:49:57]

kothog (kothog!n=kothog@unaffiliated/kothog) has quit ()

[22:53:54]

kormoc:

sokminer, sure, get all the versions the same

[22:53:57]

crayzee (crayzee!n=crayzee@82.153.34.189) has quit ("Ex-Chat")

[22:54:14]

kothog (kothog!n=kothog@unaffiliated/kothog) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:55:09]

sokminer:

kormoc: yeah it's a bit problemattic.... i gotta work through the debian stable (knoppmyth) vs unstable (kanotix) crap

[22:55:44]

kormoc:

sokminer, in short, pick a version and go with it, mixing and matching won't work

[22:56:08]

bronson (bronson!n=bronson@adsl-75-36-149-233.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[22:56:25]

NHIwerx (NHIwerx!n=frank@134.100.58.143) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:56:25]

Blaksmith (Blaksmith!n=blak@ip67-94-36-93.z36-94-67.customer.algx.net) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:56:25]

roz (roz!n=roz@ip68-13-22-128.om.om.cox.net) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:56:25]

sysrq (sysrq!n=sysrq@unaffiliated/sysrq) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:56:25]

jonty_ (jonty_!n=jonty@81.168.112.30) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:56:25]

meshugga (meshugga!i=philip@loeblich.linuxteam.at) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:56:25]

MooingLemur (MooingLemur!n=troy@unaffiliated/mooinglemur) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:56:25]

radi0head (radi0head!n=freaksho@modemcable228.95-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[22:56:49]

sysrq (sysrq!n=sysrq@unaffiliated/sysrq) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:56:49]

radi0head (radi0head!n=freaksho@modemcable228.95-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:56:49]

jonty_ (jonty_!n=jonty@81.168.112.30) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:56:49]

Blaksmith (Blaksmith!n=blak@ip67-94-36-93.z36-94-67.customer.algx.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:56:50]

MooingLemur (MooingLemur!n=troy@unaffiliated/mooinglemur) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:56:50]

NHIwerx (NHIwerx!n=frank@134.100.58.143) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:56:50]

roz (roz!n=roz@ip68-13-22-128.om.om.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:56:50]

meshugga (meshugga!i=philip@loeblich.linuxteam.at) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:57:11]

sokminer:

kormoc: yep ... i'm finding that out.... thanks for the advice...i'm planning to change the backend to debian sid and go from there

[22:57:28]

sokminer:

unstable

[22:57:34]

** kormoc nods **

[22:57:35]

warthog9:

Recently did a yum upgrade to the latest atrpm binaries. Afterwards it doesn't seem like I can play any mp3 music from mythmusic, wav & mp3 files play fine from inside mythvideo, and passthrough ac3 and dts to spdif work fine but thats about it. Anyone have any thoughts on what it might be?

[22:57:55]

Led-Hed (Led-Hed!n=Led-Hed@209.209.124.226) has quit (Read error: 111 (Connection refused))

[22:57:55]

LedHed (LedHed!n=Led-Hed@209.209.124.226) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:58:40]

bronson (bronson!n=bronson@adsl-75-36-145-166.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:58:43]

sokminer:

thanks again

[22:58:43]

sokminer (sokminer!n=bill@pool-72-70-7-254.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has left #mythtv-users ("seeking linux nuggets")

[23:00:25]

toad_:

hmmmm

[23:00:25]

LedHed (LedHed!n=Led-Hed@209.209.124.226) has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer))

[23:00:32]

toad_:

2007-01–02 22:45:54.035 VideoOutputXv Error: Could not find suitable XVideo surface.

[23:00:36]

toad_:

2007-01–02 22:45:54.035 VideoOutputXv: Falling back to X shared memory video output.

[23:00:40]

toad_:

then it fails

[23:00:43]

LedHed (LedHed!n=Led-Hed@209.209.124.226) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:00:49]

toad_:

it tells me it's too slow and shows a blank screen

[23:01:01]

toad_:

even though mplayer works without xv

[23:03:39]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@4.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[23:04:15]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@203.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:04:17]

brad_mssw (brad_mssw!n=brad@shop.monetra.com) has quit ("Leaving")

[23:05:54]

jgarvey (jgarvey!n=jgarvey@cpe-075-177-158-190.nc.res.rr.com) has quit ("Leaving")

[23:06:26]

tez1 (tez1!n=tez@interface.on.ca) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:07:10]

Max0 (Max0!n=mythtv@host86-128-47-200.range86-128.btcentralplus.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[23:07:11]

tez (tez!n=tez@interface.on.ca) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[23:07:27]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -v juski

[23:07:47]

LedHed (LedHed!n=Led-Hed@209.209.124.226) has quit ("Leaving")

[23:07:54]

Led-Hed (Led-Hed!n=Led-Hed@209.209.124.226) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:11:07]

rogue780 (rogue780!n=shawn@c-68-48-179-67.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:11:41]

rogue780:

does anyone know if there is a way to increase the volume mythtv records at?

[23:12:12]

hatredx (hatredx!n=odium@c-68-42-210-194.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:12:49]

kormoc:

rogue780, depends on your caputre card

[23:13:07]

rogue780:

hauppauge PVR-150

[23:13:27]

kormoc:

you can try murking with ivtvctl

[23:13:34]

rogue780:

thanks

[23:15:14]

echosyp (echosyp!n=fu@wsip-70-183-83-201.dl.dl.cox.net) has quit ()

[23:18:01]

croppa (croppa!n=stuart@135.27.233.220.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:18:37]

rpz^ (rpz^!n=paulknig@host81-158-74-240.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) has quit ()

[23:19:35]

rpz^ (rpz^!n=paulknig@host81-158-74-240.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:22:45]

vkangin (vkangin!n=vkangin@82.102.94.170) has quit ("Leaving")

[23:24:01]

sandeen (sandeen!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[23:24:01]

sandeen_ (sandeen_!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:24:12]

sandeen_ (sandeen_!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has quit (Client Quit)

[23:24:37]

sandeen_ (sandeen_!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:24:54]

sandeen_ (sandeen_!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has quit (Client Quit)

[23:25:24]

sandeen_ (sandeen_!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:26:18]

sandeen_ (sandeen_!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has quit (Client Quit)

[23:30:38]

toad_:

mythtv produces a blank screen when i ask it to play a channel. apparently this is because it can't play TV fast enough on my athlon 64 3.2GHz (!?). this further appears to be because XVideo isn't working, although that presents no problem to mplayer

[23:30:42]

toad_:

any suggestions?

[23:31:03]

plasmid:

how can i test realquick if my capture card is getting channels? I ahve a hauppauge 350 and according to lspci it's recognzied... ivtv mod up and running.

[23:31:15]

toad_:

I am trying to get XVideo working, but it turns out that the DRI module isn't loading for fglrx, and I haven't found much on google, and nobody is responding in #ati or #debian ...

[23:31:27]

rpz^ (rpz^!n=paulknig@host81-158-74-240.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) has quit ()

[23:31:28]

toad_:

plasmid: DVB?

[23:31:51]

toad_:

plasmid: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/First_steps_with_a_DVB_card

[23:32:00]

plasmid:

toad_: err.. thanks

[23:32:11]

toad_:

plasmid: huh?

[23:33:00]

plasmid:

toad_: using Suse 10.2.. using yast to locate DVB. :-)

[23:33:15]

toad_:

plasmid: umm...

[23:33:24]

toad_:

plasmid: DVB is Digital Video Broadcasting, it's a type of card

[23:35:29]

plasmid:

toad_: ahh waita minute... i dont have a DVB card.. it's a Hauppauge 350 PVR

[23:35:41]

toad_:

plasmid: so it records analog video?

[23:36:32]

plasmid:

toad_: it should. I am just trying to find out if I can watch some channels using comcast (cable TV) or DRM will NOT allow me to do that in linux

[23:36:36]

AdamKili (AdamKili!n=keeley@71-210-211-115.albq.qwest.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:37:32]

AdamKili:

ok i have all the hardware, now where's the best guide for installing myth on ubuntu 6.06?

[23:37:45]

rogue780 (rogue780!n=shawn@c-68-48-179-67.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[23:39:59]

AdamKili:

or can i simply install mythtv from Synaptic?

[23:40:09]

kormoc:

check the mythtv wiki

[23:40:15]

pab (pab!n=pab@dsl231-036-052.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:40:27]

pab (pab!n=pab@dsl231-036-052.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has quit (Client Quit)

[23:40:34]

plasmid:

Dibblah: not much in this text file though... MOstly comments which are not relevant to my problem of mythtv-setup not finding the mc.sql. Hmm.

[23:41:01]

pab (pab!n=pab@dsl231-036-052.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:41:14]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@203.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[23:41:34]

kazer_ (kazer_!n=kazer@155.204.98-84.rev.gaoland.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:41:46]

plasmid:

err... i pointed sql to find the mc.sql file by this command: mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/doc/packages/mythtv/database/mc.sql .. however when I start mythtvsetup mythtv tells me it cannot find the database. What gives?

[23:42:05]

squish102:

kormoc i know u told me yesterday that a load is not too bad, and as long as the wait is not to high. well load average is at 7 and wait is running at 95%

[23:42:33]

kormoc:

squish102, by wait, you mean waiting for IO?

[23:42:33]

squish102:

im running a nuvexport using ffmpeg of a HD stream

[23:42:34]

iresprite (iresprite!n=iresprit@c-66-31-234-180.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:42:47]

squish102:

that is what top shows me

[23:42:48]

zambba:

DVB is a broadcasting format

[23:42:57]

olds:

NO WAY!

[23:43:02]

kormoc:

squish102, well, that would be why, that's a very processor and io heavy task, it'd be silly for it to not kill your box :P

[23:43:02]

zambba:

more than a card..

[23:43:07]

Anduin (Anduin!n=awithers@adsl-69-110-11-237.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[23:43:17]

squish102:

i think i may have a problem.. it has 756meg memory, but it is using about 800meg of the page file

[23:43:47]

squish102:

and alot of kswapd running

[23:44:08]

kormoc:

squish102, let's put it this way, every frame of a 1080i video uses 8 megs uncompressed, it needs a pile of frames to compress the video correctly (the number depends on the codec)

[23:44:19]

squish102:

mythtranscode using 900meg of memory, acording to top

[23:45:25]

squish102:

ok, so without at least 1.5 gig of memory, it will take about 2 days to convert a 2 hour HD stream to xvid

[23:46:30]

squish102:

and i am down to 1.4 fps

[23:46:45]

kormoc:

well, HD is memory and processor heavy, not much can be done about it

[23:47:29]

squish102:

ok, just checking if it is my problem, or hardware problem

[23:47:59]

squish102:

well i guess it is my hardware problem

[23:48:48]

squish102:

i was hoping it was a mythtranscode problem

[23:49:23]

kormoc:

just think of it this way, the majority of hardware out there can't even view HDTV

[23:50:03]

squish102:

any idea what the minimum memory would be to convert HD to xvid?

[23:50:06]

DarkDrgn2k (DarkDrgn2k!n=darkdrgn@CPE00508d55060b-CM00125573082a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:50:23]

DarkDrgn2k:

juski: i think i should point out that there is an inconsistancy in the mythtv-setup module

[23:50:26]

squish102:

or is that in the requirements for mythtv? let me go look

[23:50:37]

BULLE:

squish102: just tried to use mencoder or ffmpeg directly instead ?

[23:51:06]

squish102:

BULLE good idea, let me try that, although nuvexport is convenient

[23:51:13]

Inssomniak:

my cheezy D 805 processor does HD ok with about 60% cpu and no XvMC :) thats not terrible for that cpu :)

[23:51:33]

DarkDrgn2k:

juski: when manually enterint a transport, it asks for the frequency in Khz , where in FACT its as shoudl be is asking for Hz

[23:51:47]

BULLE:

Inssomniak: i guess it all depends on what you mean with "HD" it a very broad term

[23:51:58]

Inssomniak:

Hmm, 1080i with 5.1 sound?

[23:52:13]

squish102:

and no XvMC?

[23:52:14]

kormoc:

DarkDrgn2k, submit a bug report

[23:52:17]

Inssomniak:

no Xvmc

[23:52:20]

BULLE:

it can be anything from say 1280x720p in mpeg2, to 1080p with mpeg4.avc and dts-hd sound

[23:52:22]

toad_:

is there any way to force mythtv to decode TV in real time even though it doesn't have XVideo?

[23:52:34]

kormoc:

squish102, XvMC is a playback help, you can't use it to help transcode

[23:52:37]

BULLE:

Inssomniak: the killer is mpeg4.avc realy

[23:52:51]

DarkDrgn2k:

kormoc: umm that be smart weouldnt it

[23:52:52]

Inssomniak:

I dont believe they use mpeg4 for OTA yet

[23:52:58]

kormoc:

toad_, sure, install your videocard drivers correctly or get a new video card.

[23:53:06]

BULLE:

Inssomniak: here they only use mpeg4

[23:53:12]

Inssomniak:

for OTA?

[23:53:16]

BULLE:

yes

[23:53:19]

Inssomniak:

where?

[23:53:20]

toad_:

kormoc: 3d works, the module is loaded ....

[23:53:20]

BULLE:

all hd stuff

[23:53:22]

BULLE:

sweden

[23:53:29]

Inssomniak:

oh.. USA doesnt use that

[23:53:33]

GreyFoxx:

toad_: XVideo doesn't have anything to do with decoding

[23:53:33]

toad_:

kormoc: it may be a problem in fglrx

[23:53:33]

Inssomniak:

canada either

[23:53:46]

GreyFoxx:

IT's used to scale the video to whatever size it;s being displayed

[23:53:48]

Inssomniak:

there is no 1080p broadcast either

[23:53:49]

BULLE:

Inssomniak: well, usa and canda use ATSC or what its called, you guys are the only ones using that in the world =)

[23:54:01]

toad_:

GreyFoxx: when I tell it to view live TV, it complains that it can't find XV, then it complains that it can't decode to 800x600 fast enough

[23:54:05]

toad_:

GreyFoxx: and it shows a blank screen

[23:54:32]

toad_:

CPU is not a problem; athlon 64 3200+

[23:54:33]

GreyFoxx:

toad_: That's because it can;t decode and scale the video to 800x600 fast enough

[23:55:10]

kormoc:

toad_, yes, some FGLRX drivers have broken XV support, you need to downgrade to one that works

[23:55:12]

toad_:

GreyFoxx: on a 64-bit chip running at 2GHz? really? it ought to be able to do encoding let alone decoding

[23:55:28]

GreyFoxx:

toad_: Yes, really

[23:55:35]

Inssomniak:

im using that xrandr feature to throw the TV into 1080i/720p when the channel calls for it, no scaling that way although Im not sure how much CPU power it takes to scale it

[23:55:39]

toad_:

GreyFoxx: so how come it can encode in real time then?

[23:55:51]

toad_:

GreyFoxx: decoding is harder than encoding?

[23:56:05]

sandeen (sandeen!n=sandeen@sandeen.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:56:08]

GreyFoxx:

toad_: It's a very different operation than scaling the video to the new resolution and nthen moving the bigger picture out to the card

[23:56:20]

GreyFoxx:

It's NOT a decoding issue

[23:56:26]

toad_:

GreyFoxx: okay, so suppose I eliminate the need for scaling?

[23:56:32]

GreyFoxx:

then it should play normally

[23:56:38]

toad_:

even without Xv?

[23:56:46]

GreyFoxx:

set X (or myth) to the same size as you are recording and you wont have aproblem

[23:56:47]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[23:56:52]

toad_:

okay cool

[23:57:04]

toad_:

this is PAL, so a little tricky...

[23:57:20]

kormoc:

or just use a non-broken driver version, or buy a video card that doesn't come with broken drivers... :P

[23:57:23]

BULLE:

toad_: nothing tricky with setting pal resolutions

[23:57:35]

BULLE:

toad_: i think the mythtv wiki might have pal modelines even, ready for you to use

[23:57:51]

toad_:

modelines? hmmm

[23:58:02]

kormoc:

BULLE, only if the monitor supports them

[23:58:10]

toad_:

this is tv-out

[23:58:13]

toad_:

in PAL

[23:58:17]

BULLE:

kormoc: oh, i was under the impression it was tv out

[23:58:29]

kormoc:

ahh, never mind then

[23:58:35]

** toad_ would also point out that oxine can play videos full screen ... **

[23:58:51]

kormoc:

toad_, feel free to code the support into myth if you want

[23:59:13]

Zider_ (Zider_!i=zider@c-d7e9e455.031-30-6e6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:59:14]

toad_:

PAL-I is 720x576 ... looks like there's a built-in res of that size, yay

[23:59:16]

GreyFoxx:

toad_: It could easily be using better more optimized routines to scale in software rather than hardware

[23:59:35]

toad_:

GreyFoxx: Xv does scaling? ahhhh

[23:59:38]

Zider (Zider!i=zider@c-d7e9e455.031-30-6e6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[23:59:39]

GreyFoxx:

We don;t put a lot of effort into handling what I personally consider a broken situation

[23:59:42]

GreyFoxx:

toad_: yes :)

[23:59:45]

Zider_ is now known as Zider

[23:59:55]

toad_:

yeah, it is a broken situation, but fixing it looks nasty

MythLogBot@irc.freenode.net :: #mythtv-users

Current users (179):