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Thursday, December 28th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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rogue780:

RasQulec: "LIRC Receiver on Debian – useful info for other distributions as well.

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rogue780:

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RasQulec:

hrm that link I didnt try and it doesnt for me either, I tried archive.org but they dont have acopy

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rogue780:

RasQulec: thanks anyway. I'm gonna keep trying diferent stuff

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RasQulec:

okay

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RasQulec:

I guess no one ever had my problem I posted earlier then >:

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rogue780:

it's so frusterating. RasQulec what's the prob?

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RasQulec:

I'm using the zap2it guide information, but it tells me the shows on channel 29 are coming on on 27 [and I like watching 27] Can I swap the guide data for some channels? I looked into the channel editor in mythtv-setup and on mythweb but they didnt seem to have any effect when I changed the xmltvid

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rogue780:

RasQulec: did you make sure that you have the right source setup on zap2it?

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RasQulec:

hm

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RasQulec:

What do you mean specificly by source

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rogue780:

RasQulec: not sure what the exact word was...where you select what provider you use

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RasQulec:

mm such as area and cable provider? Yes but I will double check

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rogue780:

I had a similar problem, but I was using a different cable provider that was the same city, different zip code

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RasQulec:

hrm

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RasQulec:

hurr the one on the site matches my zip

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marxes:

opello, is adding -L/usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib equivalent to adding that same line to the ld.so.conf?

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kormoc:

for compiling, yes, for using the compiled code, no

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marxes:

ok...I'm finding that the libs in that directory are not being found when I compile, if I add the -L switch in the Makefile it compiles

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RasQulec:

interesting

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RasQulec:

after some playing and updating it has certain channels in its database twice

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RasQulec:

though one is correct

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marxes:

but I am having a problem getting qmake to put that switch in all the makefiles

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RasQulec:

sweeet

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RasQulec:

its fixed

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RasQulec:

I deleted the dupe channel on mythweb

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** HaDAk slams his head on the keyboard **

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HaDAk:

gtjnsbgztdhj

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HaDAk:

ow.

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defend:

:< i can get my hd card to tune analog channels but it wont do hd channels :/

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HaDAk:

stupid linux won't mount my pen drive -.-

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RasQulec:

D:

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rogue780:

RasQulec: Glorious Huzzah!

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RasQulec:

wee

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kormoc:

defend, and your card is?

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defend:

it is a fusionhdtv5 lite

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defend:

well fusionhdtv rt lite

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RasQulec:

defend: I thought I saw something about that on the wiki or mythtvtalk forum

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marxes:

kormoc, which path should I persue, getting the ld.so.conf to recognize that dir or try and get the switch in the makefile?

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JDahl:

I am trying to setup mythtv using a Leadtek Winfast 2000 card in Denmark for cable TV. Are there anyone here who has experience with that setup? I think I should use DVB-C, but I am not sure which driver to choose for the capture card

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juski:

JDahl: a winfast pvr2000 is not a dvb-c card

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juski:

xris: you around? http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . mockup14.png :) hope you had a pleasant festive period btw

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** juski takes another sip of vodka & lime **

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HaDAk:

nice interface.

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xris:

juski: I like it.

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xris:

and pleasant as can be with a nasty cold/flu.

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HaDAk:

bah. fucking remote still won't work.

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juski:

ouch. well, as good an excuse to have 'medicinal' spirits as any ;)

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opello:

juski: very pretty

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jduggan:

juski: howdy, i rewired the aerial to my hardware freeview box.. it seems its just the itv* range of channels and channel4/more4/e4 that im getting this blocking issue with..the stb status shows those channel as 1/10 signal but the rest are 10/10, its a real crappy astratec box, u reckon the box could be at fault?

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jduggan:

ran outta ideas now to fix it

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xris:

juski: except that they mix in a deadly-to-the-liver way with acetaminophen and ibuprofen

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RasQulec:

you know the little info box that is red and blue that comes up when youdothe channel up/down? how easy is that to change... ?

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juski:

mine was as pleasant as any christmas spread between 2 families can be. getting much more bearable as I get older

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JDahl:

juski, I can choose "analog v4l, Winfast DTV2000 H [cx8800]", which should be the right card, but I can also take "dvb dtv capture card", using the cx22702 driver. None of them are able to find any channels during scan though

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juski:

arghh!

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juski:

xris: aye

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juski:

opello: it's not a theme

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opello:

juski: mythweb?

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xris:

opello: keep going

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opello:

mythtv.org? heh

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juski:

jduggan: astratec... wtf?! ;)

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xris:

opello: yay

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RasQulec:

:O

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opello:

still pretty :)

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JDahl:

I have regular cable tv, though – I think that's DVB-C in Denmark

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opello:

heh

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juski:

jduggan: yeah my money would be on the STB being a PoS

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HaDAk:

i think this is going to give me a nosebleed. :S

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kormoc:

marxes, ld.so.conf

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juski:

JDahl: dvb-c == digital == something that tuner card doesn't do

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juski:

Euserboughtwrongcardforthejob

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kormoc:

Harsh man, harsh :P

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HaDAk:

briand: you still around?

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marxes:

kormoc, ok

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juski:

JDahl: the best you can hope for in linux with that card right now is analog v4l, which won't work with your cable, only with an aerial (antenna)

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JDahl:

juski, I am (obviously) very ignorant about this, but this is from my cable providers homepage "DK DVB-C MUX1 (QAM)", but I do have analogue TV

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JDahl:

juski, ok, thanks

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juski:

you do? well it might work but you need to select analog (v4l) as the tuner type

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jduggan:

juski: yea, astratec.. i got it from my partners sister, she bought the stb thinkin she could get freeview..most of wales isnt even freeview enabled, so i robbed it when i knew i was moving to a freeview enabled area, but its completely shit.. menus lag, and the stb sometimes doesnt even respond and hangs :o

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juski:

jduggan: I hope she kept the receipt

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juski:

though it might just be the aerial is the wrong group – seems like only one mux is low sig strength

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juski:

or maybe the transmitter carrying said mux is on the moon in comparison to the others ;)

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juski:

not everywhere can get the full complement of muxes yet

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HaDAk:

has anyone had experience with the grey hauppauge remote and lirc?

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juski:

wait til analogue is switched ord though

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juski:

HaDAk: I've had experience making my own config files, which is dead easy

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HaDAk:

care to help? :)

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juski:

xris: anyway, glad you like :)

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juski:

Eemptyglass

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xris:

juski: yeah. now if my head was clear enough to actually DO anything with it, I'd move it into my mockup site.

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rogue780:

I should be able to run irw via ssh right? I do this since I can't access terminal on the computer I'm setting lirc up on

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RasQulec:

I would think so

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jduggan:

juski, hmm, i'll show you the aerial im using now.. http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo= . . . mp;doy=28m12 doesnt say which group but i think its suitable for what im doing, i guess i'll buy a decent stb and if that doesnt help i can return it :), dont really want to get a pci tuner card if i cant even get a stb working right :o

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rogue780:

juski: howdiddly-do. you seen superm1 'round these parts lately?

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RasQulec:

is anyone working on giving mythtv radio stuff [even internet radio]?

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juski:

rogue780: nope

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RasQulec:

perhaps thats a better question for the other channel

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rogue780:

RasQulec: there is currently a way to to accesss XM over mythtv

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juski:

RasQulec: no, nobody is

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RasQulec:

rogue: ooh neat

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rogue780:

it makes use of XM's streaming feature over the internet for current subscribers.

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marxes:

hmm.. looks like my library is being read in if I do a ldconfig -p

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RasQulec:

ah

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rogue780:

not sure which forum I found it in, but I'm sure you could google it

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HaDAk:

xris: i pulled the a415-hpg code out of this file: http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/hauppauge . . . nf.hauppauge and put it in my /etc/lircd.conf and rebooted. still no love.

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janneg:

JDahl, juski: it is a hybrid DVB-T/analog card. if there is a DVB-T transmitter in your region you can connect it to an arial

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janneg:

damn, too late

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juski:

he just said leadtek 2000 card

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juski:

I assumed he meant pvr2000

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marxes:

is there anything special about the qt-mt library ?

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juski:

jduggan: you tried the freeview postcode checkeroonie?

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rogue780:

I still can't get lirc to wor. this is what dmesg shows:

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rogue780:

shawn@NESPC:/usr/src/lirc-0.8.1pre2$ sudo dmesg | tail

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rogue780:

[17179620.492000] lirc_serial: auto-detected active low receiver

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rogue780:

[17179620.492000] lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0

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janneg:

he gave later the full model name "Winfast DTV2000 H"

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juski:

ah

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juski:

missed that :-O

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rogue780:

any ideas?

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juski:

now someone mentions xm radio with mythtv, there was a users mailing list thread about it

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juski:

radio channels you have to pay for... jees how bad IS radio in the US?

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RasQulec:

thats just for sat radio

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RasQulec:

broadcast is free

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jduggan:

juski: Great news, your home can see the whole family of Freeview channels.

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RasQulec:

like some tv tuner cards have

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jduggan:

:|

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juski:

nothing for FM since mythFM, which no longer works

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RasQulec:

aw

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juski:

but we folks in Europe get DVB radio just fine thanks :)

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juski:

muhahahahaha

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RasQulec:

>:

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juski:

jduggan: if the house has a DECT phone, move it, or disable it

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juski:

likewise, if the aerial socket is a combined FM/TV one, swap it out

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juski:

if anything else is connected to the aerial, unplug it

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juski:

from what you said anyway jduggan seems like the box is shite anyway

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jduggan:

juski: not sure what a dect phone is.. just a regular bt phone.. theres nothing wired into the aerial except the stb

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Max0:

hey juski

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juski:

theres no excuse for any STB to be sluggish or crashy. not unless NTL or telewest gave you it

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jduggan:

hehe

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juski:

honestly my ntl box's tv guide is still saying 8am

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juski:

and now they only show what's on now & next

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juski:

aaanyway

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juski:

a dect phone is a digital cordless jobby

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jduggan:

ah, nah its a wired phone

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juski:

do you have a vcr, jduggan ?

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jduggan:

nope

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juski:

the mux giving you bother might be near the vcr freq.

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juski:

actually, use this & see what freq the bothersome mux is on compared to the others

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juski:

http://www.wolfbane.com/cgi-bin/tvd.exe?

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jduggan:

httpd error

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jduggan:

script bust or something

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Max0:

jduggan: you heard of darkflibs plaine idea?

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juski:

jduggan: worky here

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juski:

mmmm vodka

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Max0:

basicly its automated remote control plaine via gps

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juski:

btw I'm not joking when I say this but something has given me a proper pain in the neck today

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jduggan:

juski: yea it works for me now to.. not really sure what im supposed to be lookin at? dont really understand it

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juski:

put yer postcode in there

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juski:

and in the UHF columns it tells you the channel numbers of the muxes

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jduggan:

ah right

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jduggan:

so its saying bbc use uhf 42 and uhf 67?

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juski:

which postcode?

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juski:

you can msg me it if you like

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jduggan:

yea ok

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juski:

cheers

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juski:

and which channels are giving you grief again?

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juski:

the ITV ones?

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jduggan:

all the itv channels and channel4/e4/more4

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jduggan:

although e4+1 is completely fine

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juski:

e4+1 is on a different mux

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Max0:

omg i got sound and video!!!!!!!

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RasQulec:

yay!

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jduggan:

juski: that would explain it

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juski:

jduggan: e4 & ITV chans are on the same mux

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juski:

as is channel4

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juski:

Max0: well done!

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juski:

though quite why the libs you needed weren't installed when you did mythtv I'll never figure

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juski:

arghhh! bastardo

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juski:

/usr/lib/libmythavcodec-0.20.so: undefined reference to `XvMCLoadQMatrix'

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Max0:

i tried it in kaffeine player

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jduggan:

juski: do you think its possible that i am actually getting a poor signal from that mux then?

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jduggan:

as theyre all on the same

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Max0:

and it seems ok but out of sync

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juski:

never had this bother before: http://pastebin.ca/293946

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juski:

Max0: don't worry about that. the hardware is WORKY :)

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marxes:

well I feel like a dumbass, you have to log out and log back in again after you install the qt devel packages

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marxes:

or the lib won't be found

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marxes:

gah!!!

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juski:

marxes: the hash command is handy for stuff like that IIRC

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HannesAThome:

does anyone know if i remove mythtv from debian (packaged) will the database also be removed? i would like to change to svn version

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juski:

jduggan: exactly

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jduggan:

juski, http://www.wolfbane.com/ukdtt.htm this page says my transmitter is a recent upgrade to digital

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juski:

HannesAThome: the db should be left intact but back it up anyway

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Max0:

well least its working will have to try setting up mythtv nexy

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marxes:

juski, what is the hash command ?

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juski:

what is google?

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jduggan:

marxes: try running ldconfig after u install libs

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marxes:

jduggan, yeah I tried that and I didn't have sucesss

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janneg:

juski: disable XvMC or install libXvMC

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juski:

libxvmc-dev is already the newest version

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HannesAThome:

do i have to count with problems when using the old databaseentries with the svn version of mythtv?

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juski:

HannesAThome: no

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juski:

but back up the database before upgrading

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juski:

or you'll never be able to go back

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HannesAThome:

and anything i would need to consider?

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HannesAThome:

ok

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janneg:

huh, and the not -dev version?

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juski:

E: Couldn't find package libxvmc

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janneg:

the installed library is missing not the dev headers

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juski:

libxvmc1 is already the newest version.

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juski:

this is that bloody wrapper problem again

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juski:

I knew it

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juski:

I fucking hate ubuntu sometimes

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RasQulec:

juski what are you trying to do?

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juski:

build mythtv from source

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juski:

apt-got build-dep mythtv mythplugins

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RasQulec:

ubuntu is a good general system, but its not the best for doing stuff out of just using it

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juski:

grabbed an svn checkout, ran ./configure...

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juski:

make

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juski:

all works but it falls out at that bit

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juski:

I've done the same thing plenty of times before

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janneg:

is it your temporary slave backend? then just disable xvmc

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juski:

tried that

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juski:

didn't play ball

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HaDAk:

Z_Morek: you around?

[01:15:50]

janneg:

with make distclean before?

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juski:

yeah but trying again to be sure

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GreyFoxx:

One step closer getting the 360 to play music from the mythupnp server,wooop

[01:18:37]

GreyFoxx:

got it recognizing the server and seeing the content

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kormoc:

nice :)

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RasQulec:

neat

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GreyFoxx:

when it's done people can thank tcpdump and my mom :)

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HaDAk:

anyone wanna help me with my remote now? ^^

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DVBMark:

GreyFoxx are you in the US?

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GreyFoxx:

DVBMark: Nope, why ?

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killermach:

I just got a PVR-350, is this a good hardware start for mythtv??

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DVBMark:

just curious, was gonna ask a question heh.

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GreyFoxx:

killermach: Generally we recommed a 150, but if it was free it's a good place to start

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DVBMark:

and I will thank you, tcpdump and your mom if you succeed in all these capabilities for the 360 heh

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RasQulec:

my 350 works well

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HaDAk:

>.< can i have your lirc.conf file

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GreyFoxx:

DVBMark: music will definately happen, likely photos next, then I'll look at video after

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RasQulec:

Hadak: whoes?

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killermach:

GreyFoxx: thanks.. I just found a link off of pvrhardware.goldfish.org stating that the 350 was no longer being supported.. I've been looking forward to getting a mythtv box up for many many moons :)

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** GreyFoxx goes to take his daughter for a bath **

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HaDAk:

anyone who has a working hauppauge remote (grey)

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RasQulec:

mine is silver

[01:32:00]

HaDAk:

is it the a415-hpg?

[01:32:30]

RasQulec:

seems like it

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HaDAk:

that's what i've got.

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RasQulec:

wee

[01:32:42]

HaDAk:

and for some reason it won't work.

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RasQulec:

are you on ubuntu?

[01:32:51]

HaDAk:

nah.

[01:32:53]

HaDAk:

knoppmyth

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RasQulec:

ah

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RasQulec:

cause I had to recompile lirc for it to work for me

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HaDAk:

it did some configuration for it, but it didn't seem to work.

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HaDAk:

alright – that brings about another problem then. i can't connect to my wireless again (it was going during the install, but afterwards, it won't connect anymore. or rather, i don't know *how* to make it connect)

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RasQulec:

someone else had that problem the other day

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HaDAk:

good :)

[01:34:22]

HaDAk:

a solution exists.

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RasQulec:

they didnt fix it

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HaDAk:

oh

[01:34:29]

HaDAk:

that's not so good.

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HaDAk:

do you know how to connect to a wireless network?

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RasQulec:

only on my debian lappy

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RasQulec:

it uses ndiswrapper

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HaDAk:

mine doesn't need ndis wrapper. it works natively.

[01:35:50]

HaDAk:

but

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HaDAk:

i can use iwconfig to connect to my AP

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HaDAk:

and ifconfig to assign a static IP

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HaDAk:

but that's as far as i can get.

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RasQulec:

why not use dhclient to get a dynamic one?

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HaDAk:

cause i don't know how.

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RasQulec:

use dhclient wlan0

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Zider:

or dhcpcd

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RasQulec:

or dhcpcd mine lappy only had dhclient

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HaDAk:

sex.

[01:37:35]

HaDAk:

it seems to have worked.

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HaDAk:

w00t, it did.

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RasQulec:

yay

[01:37:51]

** HaDAk dances **

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RasQulec:

people always forget that step

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HaDAk:

ok. what next? :X

[01:38:37]

RasQulec:

try your internet :O

[01:38:45]

HaDAk:

it works. i pinged google.

[01:38:48]

RasQulec:

oh

[01:38:50]

RasQulec:

then do whatever you wanted

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HaDAk:

make my remote work?

[01:39:01]

RasQulec:

oh

[01:39:09]

RasQulec:

there is a page on it somewhere

[01:39:18]

HaDAk:

that's a start

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RasQulec:

here

[01:39:50]

RasQulec:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_Eft

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RasQulec:

thats what I used

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RasQulec:

it could be the same for you

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RasQulec:

if I recall knoppix is debian based also

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HaDAk:

it is.

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HaDAk:

um. i don't have the repository for ncurses-dev

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HaDAk:

blast!

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RasQulec:

oh no

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RasQulec:

go to the site and manualy download the stuff :P

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RasQulec:

ncurses site

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HaDAk:

^^

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HaDAk:

normally i don't need baby steps, but better to ask stupid questions than fuck something up.

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HaDAk:

ah. libncurses5-dev is installed

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HaDAk:

that should work, eh?

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juski:

damnit. same error

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defend:

any one here have experience with fusionhdtv5 cards?

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juski:

my configure line is thus: ./configure --disable-firewire --disable-dbox2 --disable-hdhomerun --disable-xvmc --disable-xvmc-pro --enable-dvb

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RasQulec:

ha: try it and see

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RasQulec:

if configure works then it should be fine

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HaDAk:

kk.

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HaDAk:

it installed

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HaDAk:

just going back to check now.

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HaDAk:

so, it installed, right?

[01:48:12]

HaDAk:

now

[01:48:19]

HaDAk:

Load the driver module into the kernel and make sure it sees your IR hardware.

[01:48:19]

HaDAk:

[01:48:19]

HaDAk:

sudo modprobe lirc_i2c

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HaDAk:

dmesg | tail

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HaDAk:

[01:48:20]

HaDAk:

On a Hauppauge 150, the output looks like this:

[01:48:22]

HaDAk:

[01:48:24]

HaDAk:

lirc_i2c: chip found @ 0x71 (Hauppauge IR (PVR150))

[01:48:26]

HaDAk:

ivtv0: i2c attach to card #0 ok [client=Hauppauge IR (PVR150), addr=71]

[01:48:28]

HaDAk:

lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 10

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HaDAk:

[01:48:32]

HaDAk:

Next, we'll check if LIRC can see the raw pulses from your remote. Run the driver test app with

[01:48:34]

HaDAk:

[01:48:36]

HaDAk:

mode2 -d /dev/lirc0

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HaDAk:

none of that.

[01:48:40]

HaDAk:

sorry about the flood.

[01:48:42]

HaDAk:

but i don't get any of that.

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HaDAk:

i DO get mode2: error opening lirc, device or resource busy

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HaDAk:

why is it busy!? what's it doing?!

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RasQulec:

hrm

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HaDAk:

hrm?

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Hackez:

hey i have a problem i installed mythtv and wanted to reinstall it now apt-get doesnt install teh backend , frontend , or the common

[01:52:24]

Hackez:

all it does is install mythtv

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HaDAk:

isn't it something like mythtv-suite?

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RasQulec:

what distro?

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Hackez:

ubuntu

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Hackez:

6.10

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RasQulec:

hm

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RasQulec:

go into synaptic and do a search for mythtv

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Hackez:

ok

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RasQulec:

hadak: did you stop the old lirc before opening your custom one?

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Hackez:

it says that backend , comon , database , and frontend are installed along with mythtv

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RasQulec:

right click them and do reinstall ? :O

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RasQulec:

or do completely remove and then isntall them again

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HaDAk:

RasQulec: i did not.

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Hackez:

i marked them for reinstall but it kept crashing

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RasQulec:

you should

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RasQulec:

/etc/init.d/lirc stop

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RasQulec:

I think

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HaDAk:

that stopped it.

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Hackez:

ok this is what i get " segmentation fault (core dumped)

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HaDAk:

so. it's stopped. now i can run the other commands?

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RasQulec:

now try it

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RasQulec:

yes

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RasQulec:

hackez: O_o

[01:56:32]

RasQulec:

you broke it

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Hackez:

yes

[01:56:37]

Hackez:

i bet

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Hackez:

any ideas

[01:56:58]

Hackez:

hand remove the dir?

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HaDAk:

but. when i do dmesg | tail, i don't get the lirc lines.

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HaDAk:

am i missing something?

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Hackez:

RasQulec should i reinstall my os i only had been on this for 2 days so far

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HaDAk:

ugh. also, when i do mode2, i don't get anything from the remote

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RasQulec:

uh

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RasQulec:

is your computer stable?

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Hackez:

yeah

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RasQulec:

have you run memtest for several hourse and mprime?

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Hackez:

yes

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RasQulec:

ah how long

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RasQulec:

?

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imperfect-:

I'm having a hell of a time

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Hackez:

3 hrs

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RasQulec:

mm

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imperfect-:

Myth like refuses to list my videos in my videos folder

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RasQulec:

imperfect-: check your permissions

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imperfect-:

I did

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imperfect-:

they are fine

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RasQulec:

hm

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imperfect-:

Yeah

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imperfect-:

Iknow

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imperfect-:

ti's baffling

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imperfect-:

there's nothing in the log

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imperfect-:

it just keep saying no videos found

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RasQulec:

did you double check your configuration to make sure it didnt default to /usr/lib or whatever

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imperfect-:

I did

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RasQulec:

hrm

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imperfect-:

it's set where it should be set to

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RasQulec:

what format are the videos?

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RasQulec:

its default extentions is rather low I found

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Hackez:

RasQulec i dont care ill reinstall my os i dont have much im losing , i just dont want to fuck around with this

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imperfect-:

just avi?

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Hackez:

brb

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HaDAk:

"just" avi? ^^

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HaDAk:

avi is a generic "omfg, this video is compressed!!!"

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RasQulec:

hackerz: you can try, I dont know what else. verify your disks again before reinstalling

[02:02:33]

RasQulec:

I heart my mythtv on 6.10

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RasQulec:

though I need to have other software it seems to just record stuff from my svideo

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RasQulec:

[or just cat /dev/video > a file

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imperfect-:

what im saying is mythtvideo always says No Files Found

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RasQulec:

yea hm

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imperfect-:

man this is some lame shyt

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imperfect-:

I can't watch videos

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RasQulec:

aw

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juski:

check permissions, installed codecs, etc

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HaDAk:

ras, i'm still boggled here.

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HaDAk:

i'm not getting any input from the remote, even after stopping the service.

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HaDAk:

in fact, dmesg does not see the remote.

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HaDAk:

i believe.

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marxes:

how are you testing for input, using irw?

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HaDAk:

i ran mode2 -d /dev/lirc

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marxes:

what distribution are you using?

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HaDAk:

debian.

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HaDAk:

knoppmyth.

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marxes:

ahh

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marxes:

sorry I cna't help, I'm not familar with the mode2 command

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HaDAk:

all mode2 was doing is testing for input.

[02:11:22]

HaDAk:

here, read. and you'll know as much as me :)

[02:11:23]

HaDAk:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_Eft

[02:11:59]

HaDAk:

oh wait.

[02:12:01]

HaDAk:

i'm retarded.

[02:12:02]

HaDAk:

lmfao

[02:12:05]

HaDAk:

the lines ARE there.

[02:12:08]

HaDAk:

i just missed them

[02:12:10]

HaDAk:

cause i'm fucking blind.

[02:12:13]

marxes:

haha, doh !

[02:12:16]

marxes:

happens to us all

[02:12:23]

HaDAk:

BUT

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HaDAk:

i still don't get anything when i push buttons.

[02:13:09]

HaDAk:

hrm

[02:13:09]

marxes:

do you have more than one lirc device?

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HaDAk:

nope.

[02:13:14]

HaDAk:

but

[02:13:22]

HaDAk:

the lines are different on my box from what they are on the website.

[02:13:23]

RasQulec:

you need to make mythtv know about the remote

[02:13:31]

RasQulec:

with an lircrc

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HaDAk:

yeah, ras, but i'm trying to make sure that *nix knows about it first.

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RasQulec:

irw doesnt work?

[02:13:50]

HaDAk:

i don't know?

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HaDAk:

should i just run irw?

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marxes:

yeah

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HaDAk:

it says connection refused

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RasQulec:

D:

[02:14:23]

RasQulec:

did you start lirc again?

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HaDAk:

no ^^

[02:14:30]

RasQulec:

XD

[02:14:32]

RasQulec:

you need to

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RasQulec:

you had to stop it to make it get rid of the old process

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HaDAk:

lol

[02:14:41]

HaDAk:

right.

[02:14:41]

RasQulec:

the old version

[02:14:42]

HaDAk:

so.

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HaDAk:

*cough*

[02:14:49]

HaDAk:

it's running. irw ran.

[02:14:52]

HaDAk:

it's waiting now.

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RasQulec:

push buttons :O

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HaDAk:

no love.

[02:15:05]

RasQulec:

aw

[02:15:06]

marxes:

love when stuff like that happens

[02:15:22]

HaDAk:

WAIT

[02:15:25]

HaDAk:

what the FUCK

[02:15:27]

HaDAk:

;qlweerkhtqgsas

[02:15:27]

RasQulec:

?

[02:15:34]

marxes:

man I've been buliding mythtv for like 1 and half already and I'm not out of the lib directory =p

[02:15:36]

HaDAk:

...on your sensor. you have two danglie thingies.

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marxes:

my "sensor"

[02:15:49]

HaDAk:

....which is your receiver?

[02:15:50]

RasQulec:

one mine I only had one

[02:15:52]

HaDAk:

really?

[02:15:53]

marxes:

that sounds perverted

[02:15:55]

RasQulec:

yea

[02:15:55]

HaDAk:

mine has two.

[02:16:01]

RasQulec:

did you hook up the radio ariel?

[02:16:05]

HaDAk:

i have a transmitter and a sensor.

[02:16:05]

RasQulec:

or the ir sensor?

[02:16:10]

RasQulec:

o.o

[02:16:12]

RasQulec:

from your 150

[02:16:13]

RasQulec:

?

[02:16:16]

HaDAk:

yep

[02:16:19]

RasQulec:

O__o;

[02:16:22]

RasQulec:

are you sure

[02:16:32]

HaDAk:

yeah

[02:16:33]

RasQulec:

my 350 had an fm antenna and a IR

[02:16:34]

HaDAk:

the cable splits.

[02:16:42]

RasQulec:

that sounds like my fm antenne

[02:16:44]

HaDAk:

on one end is a grey thingie with a sensor

[02:16:50]

RasQulec:

mm

[02:17:01]

HaDAk:

on the other end looks like an IR transmitter

[02:17:06]

RasQulec:

hm

[02:17:13]

RasQulec:

did you put the batteries in the remote?

[02:17:18]

HaDAk:

yeah.

[02:17:19]

imperfect-:

so

[02:17:23]

HaDAk:

i get feedback now.

[02:17:23]

HaDAk:

lol.

[02:17:36]

imperfect-:

Any idea what causes like weird highlights around the edges of things

[02:17:49]

RasQulec:

a bad cable connection

[02:17:57]

imperfect-:

it's intermitten

[02:18:03]

RasQulec:

is the cable to your room on a lot of splits

[02:18:05]

HaDAk:

ok. so. it works.

[02:18:09]

RasQulec:

yay

[02:18:19]

imperfect-:

it happens while I'm watching videos off the drives

[02:18:20]

marxes:

hadak, cool

[02:18:26]

RasQulec:

imp: O_o

[02:18:34]

HaDAk:

horray beer!

[02:18:57]

imperfect-:

I dunno if it's something w/ the nvidia drivers or what

[02:19:45]

HaDAk:

ok, last question, then i will stfu.

[02:19:55]

RasQulec:

imperfect: which driver are you using?

[02:20:01]

RasQulec:

I really like the 9xxx series beta

[02:20:11]

HaDAk:

do the nvidia drivers support tv out natively?

[02:20:18]

RasQulec:

no

[02:20:22]

HaDAk:

bah

[02:20:23]

imperfect-:

Minedo.

[02:20:25]

RasQulec:

waiiit

[02:20:25]

RasQulec:

yes

[02:20:26]

RasQulec:

yes

[02:20:29]

imperfect-:

Yeah they do.;)

[02:20:30]

RasQulec:

sorry read it wrong

[02:20:34]

RasQulec:

I can do component out

[02:20:40]

RasQulec:

or svideo or composite

[02:20:40]

HaDAk:

i have svideo

[02:20:44]

RasQulec:

or DVI :D

[02:20:50]

imperfect-:

mine is component

[02:20:53]

HaDAk:

so. if i plug in a svideo cable, it should just...work?

[02:20:57]

RasQulec:

yes

[02:20:58]

imperfect-:

andx it works great for a while

[02:21:03]

imperfect-:

then i et weird artifacts and like

[02:21:10]

imperfect-:

sparkly highlihgts around stuff

[02:21:11]

RasQulec:

well you might want to set it in your xorg.conf

[02:21:14]

HaDAk:

as long as it kinda works.

[02:21:14]

imperfect-:

it's hard to describe

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imperfect-:

heh

[02:22:21]

imperfect-:

I've got a core 2 machine

[02:22:25]

imperfect-:

with a terabyte

[02:22:34]

imperfect-:

it needs to really sorta COMPLETELY work ;)

[02:22:34]

HaDAk:

nice

[02:22:42]

HaDAk:

lol.

[02:22:45]

HaDAk:

this is just a scrap box.

[02:23:00]

HaDAk:

3000+, 6800GT, 1gb ram, 120gb sata

[02:23:03]

HaDAk:

nothing special.

[02:23:49]

imperfect-:

Have you ever used the line tool in gimp?

[02:23:53]

imperfect-:

That's what it looks like

[02:23:58]

imperfect-:

They've used the fuzzy select

[02:24:04]

imperfect-:

on the edges of people

[02:24:36]

HaDAk:

ugh

[02:26:17]

HaDAk:

so. fucking ir sensor.

[02:26:17]

HaDAk:

bah./

[02:26:29]

HaDAk:

i can't believe that shit.

[02:28:14]

kormoc:

HaDAk, yes, the nvidia drivers support tv out natively

[02:28:20]

HaDAk:

sweet.

[02:28:25]

HaDAk:

that makes me happy.

[02:28:36]

kormoc:

it's all covered in the nvidia driver readme on how to set it up

[02:28:42]

HaDAk:

ah.

[02:28:45]

HaDAk:

i didn't get that far.

[02:31:35]

HaDAk:

BAH

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HaDAk:

i restart and the fucking remote doesn't work again.

[02:31:44]

HaDAk:

>.<

[02:33:11]

HaDAk:

as;dlkjasdga

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HaDAk:

connection refused?!

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HaDAk:

make the pain stop.

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HaDAk:

christ, now it doesn't let me watch tv.

[02:36:40]

HaDAk:

when will it end?

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juski:

HaDAk: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/default.mspx

[02:40:14]

HaDAk:

lol

[02:41:07]

HaDAk:

nonono

[02:43:53]

HaDAk:

hrm

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HaDAk:

could not open /dev/video0 to probe its inputs

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** sandeen got his HD monitor today :) **

[02:46:01]

RasQulec:

yay

[02:46:05]

sandeen:

but the mythbox is in another state :(

[02:46:08]

RasQulec:

>:

[02:46:13]

RasQulec:

vpn!

[02:46:21]

sandeen:

sure :)

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sandeen:

this place has a very thin pipe connecting it to the world :)

[02:46:38]

RasQulec:

aw

[02:46:53]

sandeen:

and only a crappy $30 dvd to hook the monitor to :(

[02:47:13]

RasQulec:

how do I use the -display param? it wont accept anything so I can make it use my other screen all the time, though I am in twinview atm so I bet thats why I cant experiment

[02:47:29]

sandeen:

i'm sure i'm about to enter a new world of trying to figure out the right resolution to drive this thinga at...

[02:47:56]

** sandeen looks **

[02:48:59]

sandeen:

it'd be nice if myth would display usage if you give it something invalid :/

[02:49:11]

RasQulec:

you can do mythtv --help

[02:49:13]

RasQulec:

I think

[02:49:23]

GreyFoxx:

yes, you can

[02:49:25]

sandeen:

[root@mythbox ~]# mythfrontend --help

[02:49:25]

sandeen:

mythfrontend: cannot connect to X server

[02:49:33]

sandeen:

maybe so... guess it needs a valid display to display help

[02:49:36]

sandeen:

not so helpful :)

[02:49:36]

GreyFoxx:

sandeen: then set your DISPLAY varible

[02:49:54]

sandeen:

GreyFoxx, it needs DISPLAY to display ascii help text?

[02:50:04]

sandeen:

on the console that invokes it?

[02:50:07]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[02:50:12]

sandeen:

why? :)

[02:50:19]

GreyFoxx:

Because that's how it';s written ?

[02:50:26]

sandeen:

sounds like a strange way to write it

[02:50:32]

GreyFoxx:

mythfrontend isn't expected to be run without a graphic environment

[02:50:37]

GreyFoxx:

It's not a console app

[02:50:41]

sandeen:

well, true

[02:50:46]

sandeen:

I guess I can buy that :)

[02:51:10]

sandeen:

but it'd be nice if --help would display help before requiring an X display

[02:51:29]

sandeen:

since some of those options presumeably included in --help output relate to the X display, no?

[02:51:47]

sandeen:

but what do I know...

[02:52:08]

GreyFoxx:

the only thing in --help related to the display is the optioon to let you control the window size/offset

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sandeen:

GreyFoxx, what about the -display option...

[02:55:30]

IamEthos:

occasionally the video and/or sound is a bit laggy

[02:55:32]

GreyFoxx:

I thought that was for picking 1 of multiple monitors, but *shrug* I accomplish it with the DISPLAY variable

[02:55:34]

IamEthos:

anything I can do about that?

[02:56:13]

sandeen:

IamEthos, faster processor? :) realtime threads, use xvmc, kill everything else running on your box....

[02:56:17]

sandeen:

probably depends on the root problem

[02:56:45]

sandeen:

RasQulec, so what did you try for that options?

[02:58:00]

sandeen:

but yeah I assume that you just select a different display, export DISPLAY=":0.1" or something

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RasQulec:

I am in twin view but only :0.0 worked, I wanted it to display on my right monitor but nothing worked

[03:00:01]

juski:

arghhH!

[03:00:03]

juski:

/usr/lib/libmythavcodec-0.20.so: undefined reference to `XvMCLoadQMatrix'

[03:00:14]

RasQulec:

juski someone else got that the other day

[03:00:52]

juski:

different place this time

[03:00:54]

juski:

http://pastebin.ca/294033

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sandeen:

RasQulec, oh, so twinview is one x screen on 2 monitors

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sandeen:

not 2 x screens

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sandeen:

"If you are interested in using each display device as a separate X screen, please see Appendix P, Configuring Multiple X Screens on One Card."

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RasQulec:

sand: yes

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RasQulec:

its nvidia's xineerama

[03:05:04]

sandeen:

RasQulec, oh, sorry, I misunderstood what you meant...

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sandeen:

when you're -not- in twinview you want to use -display to choose a screen...

[03:05:28]

RasQulec:

k thats what I thought

[03:05:29]

sandeen:

but now you are in it so you can't try.

[03:05:36]

sandeen:

I think that's what you menat :)

[03:05:59]

RasQulec:

yes

[03:07:12]

sandeen:

so yeah you need to configure it as 2 screens, -not- twinview, then presumeably you can select one display or another

[03:07:17]

sandeen:

-display localhost:0.1 or something

[03:07:29]

sandeen:

but what do I know :)

[03:08:31]

RasQulec:

yea thats what I thought it would be

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IamEthos:

mythtv is offering me a choice between /dev/dsp and /dev/adsp and /dev/sound/dsp and /dev/sound/adsp

[03:28:53]

IamEthos:

which do I choose? all of the files exist

[03:30:28]

HaDAk:

choose all of them!

[03:30:30]

HaDAk:

:(

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mtnbkr:

IamEthos: then choose ANY of them. most are symply symlinks to the other(s)

[03:31:14]

HaDAk:

speaking of symlinks...

[03:31:19]

HaDAk:

how do i make a symlink?

[03:31:27]

RasQulec:

ln -s

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HaDAk:

thanks.

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sandeen:

AFAIK /dev/dsp is the oss emulator device, adsp is the native alsa device

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mtnbkr:

my bad... sorry... /dev/sound/dsp prolly points to /dev/dsp (or vice versa) same goes for the adsp ones

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L2SHO:

hey, does anyone using the pcHDTV-5500 notice that when you switch channels to a non-HD channel, theres nasty static and crackly sound for about 5 seconds?

[03:35:00]

HaDAk:

!!

[03:35:01]

HaDAk:

i win!

[03:35:17]

HaDAk:

bwahahahahahahahaahaha

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IamEthos:

alright

[03:37:11]

IamEthos:

now the TV Listings are all off by an hour

[03:37:20]

IamEthos:

how would I fix that/

[03:38:32]

sandeen:

there is an offset setting somewhere, but I wonder why it's coming up that way... time is right on the box?

[03:39:10]

IamEthos:

yep

[03:39:12]

IamEthos:

time is right

[03:39:23]

IamEthos:

on zap2it.com it's showing up correct

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[03:42:23]

sandeen:

not sure...

[03:43:18]

borg:

hi i'm trying to install mythtv via ubuntu 6.10 what is the mythtv user password?

[03:43:30]

marxes:

set it as root

[03:43:30]

RasQulec:

its random

[03:43:41]

borg:

?

[03:43:48]

marxes:

nm

[03:43:54]

RasQulec:

I looked in /etc/mythtv/something and it was completly randome

[03:44:36]

borg:

so how am i going to run mythtv-setup as mythtv if there's no X session to use?

[03:44:52]

tank-man:

borg, install from source or go ask in #ubuntu

[03:44:53]

borg:

or do i have to force the password for mythtv?

[03:45:04]

RasQulec:

OH the myth USEr password not the database

[03:45:06]

RasQulec:

try mythtv

[03:45:11]

RasQulec:

or force it

[03:45:14]

RasQulec:

I just run it as root

[03:45:18]

borg:

aight

[03:46:33]

marxes:

my myth box doesn't show the screen in motion when I press FF twice.

[03:46:36]

borg:

cause i already created the mysql stuff

[03:46:53]

borg:

the server and database and mysql user

[03:46:53]

marxes:

I wa reading some people have htis problem withe nvida drivers but I'm using a 350 for tv out

[03:48:13]

marxes:

is there some other setting I should be looking for to keep the screen moving?

[03:48:27]

** marxes gawks at all the typos **

[03:52:37]

IamEthos:

not only that, but why are NONE of my listings correct at all

[03:52:46]

IamEthos:

well

[03:52:55]

IamEthos:

TNT doesn't have any accurate information

[03:52:56]

Paladine:

bwahahahaha

[03:52:58]

IamEthos:

TBS is off by a bit

[03:53:07]

RasQulec:

my nvidia ones work but I am using the beta 9xxx series

[03:53:15]

Paladine:

just found out my uber bargain of a 32" LCD HDTV supports 1080P :)

[03:53:21]

RasQulec:

:O

[03:53:30]

Krazylegz:

Paladine: Which one?

[03:53:57]

Paladine:

Technosonic LCD3251

[03:54:00]

Krazylegz:

Neat.

[03:54:13]

Paladine:

all BenQ kit inside too apparantly :)

[03:54:20]

Paladine:

uber cheap

[03:54:24]

Paladine:

399 GBP

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Paladine:

32"

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Krazylegz:

Yeah, no NTSC models I see.

[03:55:21]

Paladine:

afaik it support PAL/SECAM and NTSC

[03:55:25]

Paladine:

but I could be wrong

[03:55:27]

Krazylegz:

Oh.

[03:55:35]

Krazylegz:

Well still, I don't think I can get it over here.

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Paladine:

uber bargain

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HaDAk:

what the fuck

[03:56:43]

Paladine:

from what I have been reading about it (all today) it seems to outperform all the major brands at half the price

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Krazylegz:

Sounds like a good pickup.

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Paladine:

yeah proper chuffed

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Paladine:

1:1 pixel match on the VGA input too

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Paladine:

which considering I am buying the tv specifically so the missus can use the lounge PC on it, is a big bonus :)

[03:58:20]

RasQulec:

I wish I had waited on getting an HD

[03:58:27]

RasQulec:

the lcd's are the same price now and better

[03:58:54]

Paladine:

has more connections than Kevin Bacon

[03:58:55]

RasQulec:

oh well I didnt have to pay for it

[03:59:49]

HaDAk:

one last question for the night.

[03:59:59]

HaDAk:

all my channels are pointing toward the discovery channel.

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HaDAk:

and, while i love myth busters, i'd kinda like to be able to ...watch other things.

[04:00:35]

HaDAk:

and ideas why it's locking me in to a single channel?

[04:00:51]

Paladine:

you channel settings in mythtv-setup?

[04:01:12]

HaDAk:

my channel information is pulled off of zap2it

[04:01:37]

Paladine:

I dunno nothing about zap2it sorry

[04:01:57]

HaDAk:

zap2it just sends me all my channel guide information

[04:02:09]

HaDAk:

it was working a while ago, then i reinstalled everything, now it doesn't work.

[04:06:30]

L2SHO:

does anyone use a pchdtv-5500 for NTSC?

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pyrotech:

does anyone have insight cable in HD in illinois?

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borg:

ok i'm trying to install this in root and mythtv user mode but it's not working keeps saying

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borg:

Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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borg:

is there anything else that can just record video from my v4l cx88 chipset based hauppage tv card?

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tank-man:

try cat /dev/video > borg.mpg

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Zider:

it will be assimilated

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borg:

are you serious or joking?

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borg:

tank-man,

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borg:

i guess you're joking

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Zider:

no

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tank-man:

no

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Zider:

it should work

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tank-man:

press ctrl+c after a few seconds and try playing it

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borg:

ok

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tank-man:

mplayer or xine or something

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** HaDAk sighs **

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borg:

no that definitely doesnt work

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borg:

the file is corrupted and unreadable by vlc and xine

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Paladine:

it should work fine

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Paladine:

try cat /dev/video0 > borg.mpg

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borg:

my tv tuner is on video1

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borg:

so i did that

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Paladine:

hmm well it should have worked

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borg:

even if it did work, i do need something to monitor it with

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borg:

anything? anything at all?

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borg:

i even tried VLC's capture feature and that only works with my webcam but not my tv card

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IamEthos:

why does myth reset the volume every time I change a channel?

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IamEthos:

and is it just me, or does the quality seem to be sub-par as compared to my TV?

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GreyFoxx:

IamEthos: That depends on so many things it's laughable

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GreyFoxx:

Your input , your output, your recordingprofile resolution and bitrate, your tuner itself

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GreyFoxx:

First thing I would do is chekc your recording profile

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GreyFoxx:

the myth default out of the box is not "optimal"

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GreyFoxx:

imho

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Igg-man:

agreed

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borg:

is there anything else besides mythtv that can just record video from my v4l cx88 chipset based hauppage tv card?

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tank-man:

pvr-150 ?

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borg:

um

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borg:

no it's not those

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borg:

let me look at my hardware for the exact name

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IamEthos:

GreyFoxx, the top of my screen keeps flashing black

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IamEthos:

(anyone else feel free to chime in if you've seen this as well)

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IamEthos:

and it seems like the audio hiccups more than it should

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IamEthos:

is it just that my system is too slow?

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tank-man:

IamEthos, what capture card?

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IamEthos:

Hauppauge WinTV PVR USB2

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IamEthos:

someone in #linuxtv recommended it, and I have a laptop, so I had to go USB

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borg:

tank-man, it's a hauppage wintv with a CX23880 chip

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tank-man:

borg, sounds like a software capture card

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borg:

is that good or bad?

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tank-man:

i wouldnt want it

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borg:

so i cant record video with it?

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tank-man:

need faster pc to componsate

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IamEthos:

tank-man, was my card a good recommendation?

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tank-man:

probably

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tank-man:

IamEthos, not sure

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IamEthos:

I believe it does hardware encoding in the device

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borg:

but is there anything i can use to record video with it?

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tank-man:

why you usinga laptop?

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tank-man:

borg, i dont know

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IamEthos:

tank-man, don't have the money to build a dedicated myth box.

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borg:

crap

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tank-man:

laptop cost more than desktop

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IamEthos:

saving up for that. Going to start buying piece by piece soon

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IamEthos:

tank-man, I'm a college student, I need a laptop for most of my coursework

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IamEthos:

(CIS student at that...)

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tank-man:

laptop has to be on to record

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IamEthos:

tank-man, I leave it on, plugged in just about constantly

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IamEthos:

I know it's not a desirable situation, but it's the only computer I had at school and it was intended to run myth when I purchased it

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IamEthos:

hell, I didn't even expect to be running Linux when I purchased it

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tank-man:

logic error

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tank-man:

you say "intended to run myth when purchased " and "didnt ecpect to run linux when purchased"

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tank-man:

mythtv runs on linux

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IamEthos:

tank-man, *wasn't intended to run myth

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DVBMark:

doh no wonder I can't make this work, Windows keeps balking at me

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DVBMark:

LMAO j/k

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tank-man:

:)

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tank-man:

i remember seeing some hauppage usb device not wroking in wiki

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IamEthos:

the card definately works

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IamEthos:

just a few problems here and there that need to be ironed out

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IamEthos:

okay, so I want to build a new myth box

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IamEthos:

that is my next endeavor

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IamEthos:

mainly because it will be cheaper than the server I want to build

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tank-man:

what is your current problem?

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IamEthos:

tank-man, my current problem is that a black bar occasionally flashes near the top of the screen during live tv

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tank-man:

and recordings?

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IamEthos:

haven't tried during recording yet

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IamEthos:

trying now

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tank-man:

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IamEthos:

tank-man, recordings show it too

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IamEthos:

tank-man, could be, but that seems to apply to a single frame taken

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IamEthos:

tank-man, whereas my problem is with video playback and recording

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tank-man:

single frame taken from a vidoe playing back, sounds the same :)

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Inssomniak:

anyone have problems with using myth with xrandr

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Inssomniak:

sometimes it doesnt work at all, sometimes it works once, and other times its fine

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betolley:

My Mythtv has started playing back recordings too fast. Everyone sounds like chipmunks for anything played that I have recorded. If I play the .nuv files in mplayer it works fine.

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jblack:

betolley: Try the "a" key.

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jblack:

You may be at 2.0. Try sliding it down to 1.0

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jblack:

If so, then edit your playback group in your settings to change the playback speed.

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Neeesat25:

Is there an sql file to import in mythconverg to create the taples for a fresh installation?

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DVBMark:

you might check the database directory of the mythtv source!

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xris:

Neeesat25: you don't need to create the tables, just the db.. mythtv does the rest.

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xris:

look for mc.sql

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Blaksmith:

can myth use oss or does it require alsa?

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xris:

either

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Blaksmith:

ok.. alsa doesn't work anymore :(

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Blaksmith:

ok, it is playing sound.. just very quiet

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Blaksmith:

next problem... I'm getting a blue screen with X Error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) 11

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xris:

sounds like xv isn't working properly

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Blaksmith:

mplayer gives that error too.. but if I use -vo X11 it works

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Blaksmith:

for mplayer

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Blaksmith:

any suggestions on how to fix xv?

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xris:

what video card?

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Blaksmith:

ummm will have to look lol

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Blaksmith:

VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 65x/M650/740 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter

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Neeesat25:

I have mc.sql file but whats the command for creating the taples?

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xris:

google: sis winishoffer driver

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xris:

Neeesat25: the tables are created by mythtv, you don't need to know them.

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xris:

Blaksmith: that google was for you

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Blaksmith:

thanks :) googling now :)

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Neeesat25:

It can not get connected if I dont create the taples

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Neeesat25:

cant connect to the database

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xris:

Neeesat25: that's not true/ connecting has nothing to do with tables, only permissions and database.

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DVBMark:

have you by chance read any of the wiki or docs on myth neeesat25? it walks your right through setting it up

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xris:

Blaksmith: I would recommend that you get yourself an nvidia card at some point, though. cheap 5200 or 6200 will blow that SiS out of the water.

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Blaksmith:

I have a 5600 in my win box

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xris:

Neeesat25: that mc.sql file creates the mythconverg database and grants permission to the mythtv db user.. it's all covered in the docs.

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xris:

Blaksmith: maybe it's time to upgrade the video card in your windows box. :)

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Blaksmith:

heheh

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xris:

anyway, the winishoffer driver works well enough.. nvidia is just better for tv out, etc.

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Blaksmith:

I just got a new 300g drive for that box.. it has 700g now :)

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xris:

anyway, good luck. I just took a dose of nyquil, and am out for the evening...

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Blaksmith:

is it supposed to have 2 h's or just 1.. google suggests 2

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Blaksmith:

2... I found it

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Neeesat25:

Ok xris I will check that out. Thanks

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Blaksmith:

brb.. going to restart X

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Blaksmith:

nope :(

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Blaksmith:

(II) SIS(0): Using SiS300/315/330/340 series HW Xv

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Blaksmith:

from the X log file

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Blaksmith:

woot!!! got it workin

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awilkins:

I have this problem : on LiveTV, the buffering that pre-stores the stream is storing just a little too little ahead – evidenced by lots of little "hiccups" in the video which go away completely if you wind back 5 seconds. Is there a setting for this or is it something I'll have to patch the sourcecode to fix?

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Tronic:

awilkins: I'd like to know, too.

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Tronic:

I have that same problem on one machine. Apparently its sound card runs slightly quicker than the TV broadcast does.

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Captain_Murdoch:

hit pause for a few seconds then unpause.

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Captain_Murdoch:

or use timestretch at 0.95% speed

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Captain_Murdoch:

err 0.95x speed.. :)

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Tronic:

Yes, but that is not a real solution.

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Captain_Murdoch:

try the "use video as timebase" setting

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awilkins:

I may try that.

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awilkins:

I've been hunting or the bit of code that decides how far to "pre-cache"

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awilkins:

So I can stick in a safety margin (or find out any settings that govern it).

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awilkins:

BUt my C++ is a little infantile

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Captain_Murdoch:

doesn't matter how low you set it, if you hit FFWD and catch up to realtime, then you'll run into the problem again.

[09:56:05]

Captain_Murdoch:

only way to prevent is to makes sure you don't catch up too close.

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Captain_Murdoch:

and if it is hiccuping, then it isn't that it's trying to store too much, it's probably being starved of data because you're too close to realtime. if it was storing too much, why would it hiccup?

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awilkins:

Hmm, yes, spo rather than the pre-cache line, we need to find the code for the "intact video fringe line"

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Captain_Murdoch:

if your player is running faster than the recorder, you will always have the problem unless you slow the player down by either using timestretch or possibly with the video as timebase option.

[10:01:05]

Captain_Murdoch:

if it runs out of data, it has to stop playing until it gets more data.

[10:02:08]

Captain_Murdoch:

what else do you think it can do if the player catches up to realtime and has to wait on more data from the recorder?

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awilkins:

I don't think the player is running faster than the recorder, at least, I think not

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awilkins:

If you wind back and leave it playing for hours, it doesn't happen again.

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Captain_Murdoch:

so maybe it's starting up too quick then and hovering too close to realtime.

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awilkins:

I think that's the problem – that it starts playing too close tot he front of the buffer

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awilkins:

If it was the player playing too fast, you'd expect it to take a small amount of time to occur, but it's right from the start of LiveTV

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awilkins:

Hmm, I'm not using OpenGL vsync or video as timebase

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jblack:

I did the math to get the feel of what .95% would be like. Watching a 30 minute show at 0.95% speed would take just over 2 days.

[10:11:11]

jblack:

That would feel almost as bad as watching all 6 star wars back to back.

[10:11:23]

Captain_Murdoch:

big difference... timestretch will only go at 50% anyway, so it'd only take an hour with audio. if you used the other slow mode without audio it would be much longer.

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eniac:

hi, I'm thinking of installed mythtv for use with my television

[10:12:38]

Captain_Murdoch:

awilkins: does it happen only when you start LiveTV or on channel changes as well?

[10:12:52]

Captain_Murdoch:

eniac: good thought. :)

[10:12:55]

eniac:

but one of my friends said it's not possible to choose a movie from the mythtv menu I already have ripped

[10:13:21]

eniac:

which made me doubt

[10:13:28]

eniac:

just checking if it's true what he's saying

[10:13:41]

Captain_Murdoch:

MythVideo can be used to play .avi or .iso files via mplayer, xine, or whatever your player of choice is. Myth uses it's own internal player for TV recordings that it makes though.

[10:14:21]

Ruleke:

can't you use the Internal player for Mythvideo too ?

[10:14:22]

eniac:

is it easy to switch between mythvideo and mythtv ?

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Captain_Murdoch:

Ruleke: yes

[10:14:34]

Ruleke:

ah thought so :)

[10:14:41]

Captain_Murdoch:

MythVideo is a plugin in Myth.

[10:14:43]

eniac:

Captain_Murdoch: so what my friend is saying is not correct

[10:14:47]

Captain_Murdoch:

it's on the menu.

[10:15:25]

Captain_Murdoch:

eniac: yes, it is incorrect. there are example scripts out there for playing .iso files inside MythVideo and it plays .avi, .mpg, etc. directly

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Captain_Murdoch:

Myth's internal player will play .iso files also I believe.

[10:16:26]

eniac:

Captain_Murdoch: is there an option for adding subtitles ?

[10:16:55]

awilkins:

Captain_Murdoch: I think it happens when channels change too

[10:17:12]

awilkins:

eniac: DO you mean subtitles in TV signals or subtitles from external file (fansubs?)

[10:17:36]

eniac:

external file

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Ruleke:

eniac: name them the same as the video file, just change the extension

[10:17:55]

Ruleke:

to .srt or something

[10:17:56]

Ruleke:

iirc

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eniac:

don't care now how it works, just wondering _if_ it's possible to work

[10:18:22]

eniac:

so guess that's a yes

[10:18:31]

Ruleke:

yeah

[10:18:41]

Ruleke:

with an external player I've done it myself

[10:18:53]

Ruleke:

for Internal I only saw the commits :P

[10:19:30]

Captain_Murdoch:

I never use subtitles so I don't know much about them.

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** Captain_Murdoch is going to bed, network maintenance is over... **

[10:19:58]

eniac:

ok thank you very much

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[10:20:10]

awilkins:

Since you can define the command line used, you could use a shell script that detects your subtitle file and passes it to mplayer.

[10:23:58]

Ruleke:

with dvb recordings I use the subtitle stream myself

[10:24:40]

awilkins:

Yes, but we're talking about external recordings, probably Anime fansubs

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Ruleke:

works fine

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Bernardo:

good morning!

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juski:

morning

[11:21:28]

Hoxzer:

morning

[11:21:57]

quicksilver:

what's the most up-to-date linux/DVB-T hardware compatibility chart?

[11:22:25]

juski:

linuxtv.org I'd presume

[11:22:28]

Bernardo:

the one in linuxtv.org?

[11:22:44]

juski:

YMMV because vendors SUCK

[11:22:58]

** quicksilver nods **

[11:23:06]

quicksilver:

yeah, I know

[11:23:13]

quicksilver:

I've decided to go for a third card

[11:23:18]

quicksilver:

just trying to decide which

[11:23:28]

juski:

the fact that a Hauppauge Nova-T is on the chart doesn't mean it'll work – there might've been a chipset change or something

[11:23:46]

LLyric:

quicksilver: analogue, dvb-t, dvb-s?

[11:23:51]

quicksilver:

LLyric: DVB-T

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juski:

to maximise the chances of it working, avoid USB devices ;)

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[11:24:14]

eniac:

how well would myth run on a 333Mhz 256mb RAM

[11:24:19]

eniac:

could I be able to pauze and forward live streams ?

[11:24:23]

juski:

eniac: not very well at all

[11:24:25]

LLyric:

eniac: probably a bit too slow, I suspect.

[11:24:32]

LLyric:

my 600Mhz is just enough

[11:24:33]

juski:

forgeta bout it & get a computer

[11:24:52]

LLyric:

For SD, on the real screen. Not quite enough for tv out.

[11:24:55]

juski:

what is it with you guys & old hardware?

[11:25:09]

LLyric:

juski: it's my _third_ frontend.

[11:25:17]

eniac:

just easier to re-use old hardware then buy new hardware

[11:25:27]

eniac:

looking for some small box that doesn't make any noise

[11:25:39]

eniac:

that I can put in my living room without my parents nagging about it

[11:25:41]

juski:

heh. a 300mhz machine would still be noisy

[11:25:46]

juski:

and boxy

[11:25:55]

eniac:

I know but I would just test mythtv on it

[11:26:04]

** LLyric has EPIA 800Mhz, with gf2 – works fine, and is justabout totally quiet. **

[11:26:10]

eniac:

macmini would be a great solution, but they don't have any tv cards

[11:26:12]

LLyric:

About the size of a PS2

[11:26:19]

juski:

I wouldn't recommend anything less than 800mhz to get an idea of how mythtv works

[11:26:52]

** juski has a mac mini on his shopping list **

[11:27:03]

LLyric:

Since the UI went ogl (ick) it wants a bit more horsepower.

[11:27:16]

LLyric:

I know, I know, qt rendered. But man,...

[11:27:18]

LLyric:

renderer

[11:27:19]

juski:

LLyric: you're not missing anything IMHO

[11:27:30]

quicksilver:

LLyric: I use the Qt renderer quite happily

[11:27:36]

quicksilver:

LLyric: my gfx card doesn't support OGL anyway :P

[11:27:40]

LLyric:

Yeah, me to. F**k ogl

[11:27:42]

LLyric:

too

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juski:

plus pvr350 decoding support will inevitably die

[11:27:50]

** LLyric :( **

[11:27:53]

LLyric:

I have a pvr-350

[11:28:13]

Bernardo:

I've just got a advent dhe500 out of ebay, but the capture card is crap

[11:28:15]

LLyric:

But on the upside, it doesn't work in the same machine as my decent card, so it's sitting on the bench

[11:28:17]

juski:

none of the devs use em anymore

[11:28:43]

LLyric:

I wouldn't use the pvr-350 for output, just input. It's a nice zero-CPU analogue tuner.

[11:29:08]

juski:

aye there'll always be that :)

[11:29:11]

LLyric:

The output was always a pain – the UI stuff is a big ugly hack, and it sucks for anything except what it recorded (mpeg1?)

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juski:

mpeg2 actually

[11:29:31]

fourcheeze:

mac mini arrived last night

[11:29:38]

fourcheeze:

superb piece of kit

[11:29:45]

juski:

and now the advantages the pvr350 used to provide are non-existent

[11:29:58]

** LLyric now has a Athlon X2 as his main front+back, and a couple of laptops for other fronends. **

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Bernardo:

+-350 euros for a media center form factor p4 with 512Mb, 200GB disc, two tv cards (a Hauppauge HVR-1100 DVB-t and a analog) and a ATI X300 graphics seems ok, no?

[11:30:07]

LLyric:

juski: why? It's still a good SD analogue tuner.

[11:30:25]

quicksilver:

Leadtek WinFast DTV1000 or Hauppauge WinTV-Nova-t PCI ? any gut feeling? they're the same price

[11:30:26]

eniac:

Bernardo: where can you get such a thing ?

[11:30:28]

juski:

no digital audio outpout, no divx/xvid playback, mp3 plyback comes out of the soundcard.. you might aswell have a faster machine & nvidsia tvout

[11:30:39]

** fourcheeze now has a core duo mac mini front end :-))))) **

[11:30:44]

Bernardo:

eniac: ebay.co.uk

[11:30:48]

quicksilver:

looks like hauppauge might be more likely to change chipset without telling me

[11:30:52]

juski:

it's a good analogue tuner yes, but it's a waste of money buying it for its mpeg2 decoding these days

[11:30:55]

quicksilver:

which makes the leadtek look better

[11:30:55]

** LLyric likes the dvico dual digital stuff, but still waiting for the latest version to get supported by linuxtv **

[11:31:04]

LLyric:

juski: I wouldn't *buy* it now :)

[11:31:06]

Bernardo:

eniac: http://stores.ebay.co.uk/auctioning4u

[11:31:17]

juski:

aye if it works, don't chuck it yet ;)

[11:31:18]

LLyric:

juski: there are still a couple of channels here not available in dvb-t

[11:31:39]

LLyric:

juski: problem is, it seems impossible to get working *at the same time* as the dvb-t stuff (commonly reported issue)

[11:31:44]

** Bernardo is still thinking if he'll reuse his reel magic mpeg2 encoder/decoder **

[11:31:49]

LLyric:

So I'd need to put it in a different backend.

[11:31:50]

juski:

not in a very good mood this morning – having to reinstall windows again.

[11:32:12]

juski:

AVG antivirus didn't do a very good job at all

[11:32:16]

Bernardo:

juski: I know that feeling,... My wife's pc still runs windows

[11:32:21]

eniac:

a tv card from Hauppauge is that any good ?

[11:32:22]

GlemSom:

I'm thinking of building a HTPC with mythtv... I was wondering if 512mb ram is OK? I know LiveTV and music isn't going to take that much RAM... But what if I want to play a DVD?

[11:32:41]

quicksilver:

GlemSom: fine

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juski:

GlemSom: yeqh 512 will be ok

[11:32:53]

quicksilver:

GlemSom: plyaing a DVD is no harder than liveTV

[11:32:56]

quicksilver:

easier in some cases

[11:32:57]

Bernardo:

eniac: this one doesn't have a mpeg2 encoder, but the newer model (hvr-1300) still isn't supported in linux

[11:33:23]

** juski doesn't see the point in those hybrid cards at all **

[11:33:32]

juski:

if you want both, buy one of each

[11:33:40]

juski:

cheaper, too

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juski:

oh I forgot. modedrn motherboards only have 2 PCI slots :-P

[11:34:04]

Bernardo:

juski: If you have the problems I'm having now with conflicts between a bt878 and a cx8800

[11:34:09]

juski:

if you're lucky

[11:34:22]

juski:

framegrabbers? PAH!

[11:34:27]

GlemSom:

quicksilver and juski – thanks!... I was in doubt because currently free -m reports this when watching LiveTV: http://pastebin.ca/294350 (Though this is with firefox open aswell – and using Xfce)

[11:34:43]

Bernardo:

only the latest v4l-dvb branch let's me run my mythtv backend without it hanging every two hours

[11:34:53]

juski:

free will never show you how much RAM an app is eating IIRC

[11:34:54]

Bernardo:

GlemSom: firefox eats a lot of memory

[11:35:28]

GlemSom:

Ok... Well guess I'll go shopping for a 512MB module then :)

[11:35:36]

quicksilver:

GlemSom: you're only using 387M there

[11:35:39]

quicksilver:

GlemSom: so I wouldn't worry :P

[11:35:41]

juski:

linux gobbles up almost all your available memory, but doesn't mean it's not 'free'

[11:35:44]

quicksilver:

and FF is likely 100 of it

[11:35:53]

quicksilver:

and swap works, trust it

[11:35:58]

** fourcheeze likes having 1GB **

[11:36:13]

fourcheeze:

for this kind of hting

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GlemSom:

ohh ok... But... it ways 9mb free...? So guess the "cached" is kinda free aswell?

[11:36:21]

fourcheeze:

memory is fairly cheap too

[11:36:37]

fourcheeze:

GlemSom: the second line of "free" is the most interesting

[11:36:42]

juski:

GlemSom: google it

[11:36:58]

juski:

you'll find out how misleading the numbers really are ;)

[11:36:58]

GlemSom:

ahh yeah – thanks :)

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PaulWay:

Hi all!

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fourcheeze:

really as long as you're not using swap too much you're OK

[11:37:52]

juski:

my theme makes mythfrontend eat a LOT of RAM, but hey it's prettier than any other ;)

[11:38:21]

** LLyric frontend has 2GB, just because it's silly to buy smaller than 1GB sticks these days... I'm sure it'll get used somehow.... **

[11:38:49]

fourcheeze:

any ideas why my backend keeps crashing during playback freezing the frontend?

[11:38:49]

LLyric:

See, it seems to be 93MB into swap now

[11:38:56]

fourcheeze:

seems to be nothing related in the logs

[11:39:10]

GlemSom:

Well, I'm really new with mythtv (just installed it from the gentoo tree)... And I'm OK with the themes there... :P

[11:39:28]

Bernardo:

fourcheeze: I've seen that with the "regular" drivers, before I updated it to the v4l-dvb branch

[11:39:44]

Bernardo:

fourcheeze: but I have two older analog tuners

[11:40:43]

fourcheeze:

Bernardo I have 2 dvb tuners

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fourcheeze:

1 pci and 1 usb

[11:40:59]

fourcheeze:

but they aren't necessarily in use when the back end crashes

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fourcheeze:

it seems to be only during playback

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eniac:

how well does the emulators for games work ?

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** juski is thinking about starting a bounty to have framegrabber support removed from mythtv. because he's sick to DEATH of people's lame problems with them **

[11:44:31]

Bernardo:

fourcheeze: mine would freeze when I was just watching tv in the frontend

[11:44:32]

juski:

eniac: xmame works really really well

[11:45:09]

Bernardo:

juski: please don't... some of us can't afford first choice cards

[11:45:15]

eniac:

with a remote controller ?

[11:45:54]

juski:

can't afford them? you can't afford NOT to have em! ;)

[11:46:20]

fourcheeze:

Bernardo so now your backend never crashes?

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juski:

eniac: no, with game controllers / keyboards

[11:46:50]

Bernardo:

well, I've ordered a dvb-c card, and now the mediacenter pc has two other included cards, maybe I can get rid of my frame grabbers... :)

[11:47:04]

** juski has never seen anybody playing Pacman with a remote **

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fourcheeze:

Bernardo definitely the way to go

[11:47:29]

fourcheeze:

currently I'm using the ubuntu packages for the backend – is building from source likely to help it not to crash?

[11:47:30]

Bernardo:

fourcheeze: still too early to tell, but these two days it hasn't crashed yet, even mythcommflag won't segfault as it did

[11:47:53]

Bernardo:

I'm running kubuntu too, all I did build was the v4l-dvb source

[11:47:57]

PaulWay:

I'm using the ATRPMS version of MythTV packaged for FC6, and I can't find nuvexport or MythTV.pm in packages any more – anyone know about this?

[11:48:13]

fourcheeze:

Bernardo is there a howto somewhere?

[11:48:37]

juski:

linuxtv.org somewhere

[11:49:01]

Bernardo:

I got the kernel source, expanded it in /usr/src, copyed /boot/config-linux-2.6.17-10-generic to /usr/src/linux/.config, and that was all I had to do to enable building v4l-dvb

[11:49:18]

Bernardo:

I already had build-essential installed

[11:49:46]

Bernardo:

http://linuxtv.org/repo/

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daviey:

Hi, does anybody know how the utube pluggin is coming on?

[11:54:07]

PaulWay:

Or, to put it another way, does anyone know how to get SVN mythtv from HEAD to the same version that's packaged in ATRPMS (-r 12253, I believe).

[11:54:36]

eniac:

daviey: utube what's that ?

[11:54:53]

daviey:

youtube

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juski:

what plugin?!

[11:55:07]

juski:

never seen ANY mention of that

[11:55:25]

daviey:

i read somehwere that somebody was developing it, simmilar to mythstreamtv

[11:55:27]

eniac:

daviey: won't that be very ugly on a television screen ?

[11:55:43]

juski:

I follow the mailing lists, and can honestly say I've not seen any talk of it there

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daviey:

yeah, but currently i browse youtube on the tv

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LLyric:

PaulWay: rtfm "svn"

[11:56:07]

juski:

wow. don't you have any paint to watch drying or anything?

[11:56:25]

daviey:

i defiently read it somewhere, but if it has gone quiet then i think i will do it. I can't be THAT hard. The hardest part will be listing the videos

[11:56:40]

daviey:

juski, are you in the UK?

[11:56:43]

juski:

no, the hardest part will be finding something worth watching

[11:56:49]

PaulWay:

I know how to use svn, LLyric; I've tried to do svn update -r 12253 but it hasn't reverted the MythTV.pm to the same version of the database as the one I've got installed from packages.

[11:56:54]

eniac:

daviey: but it will suck anyway since the quality will be bad

[11:57:28]

juski:

yeah I'm in the UK

[11:57:37]

juski:

youtube is a flash in the pan anyway IMHO

[11:57:43]

daviey:

eniac, it's watchable taking up 1/4 of a 32" tv

[11:58:04]

LLyric:

PaulWay: did you stat the file, to see whether it was rolled back? Did you change it, too?

[11:58:17]

juski:

plus if the plugin is anything like mythstreamtv, it won't be accepted as an official plugin

[11:59:21]

PaulWay:

I haven't changed a thing, and the file is still the same version – I looked at what svn update changed.

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LLyric:

PaulWay: that file hasn't changed since r12248 anyway. What's the problem?

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PaulWay:

The problem is that my backend protocol version is 31 (from the ATRPMS package) and the MythTV.pm version is 32 (from the svn trunk head).

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PaulWay:

What I was going to do was check out a copy of trunk circa revision 12253.

[12:02:03]

juski:

PaulWay: good plan – you can't mix versions

[12:02:29]

juski:

though maybe grabbing the same rev. from the -fixes branch would be a better idea altogether

[12:02:45]

PaulWay:

Hmmmmm...

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LLyric:

PaulWay: like I said, the pm hasn't changed since 12248, so your version info is wrong.

[12:02:55]

LLyric:

Why do you want to do this, anyway?

[12:03:26]

PaulWay:

It's all to get nuvexport working, which doesn't seem to be provided by the ATRPMS packages.

[12:03:51]

juski:

oh FFS someone's done a 'visual comparison' of mythtv vs MCE

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PaulWay:

Well, that's going to be freakin' hilarious.

[12:04:09]

PaulWay:

URL?

[12:04:29]

PaulWay:

Short of reinstalling, what's the best way to go from a packaged version to compiling MythTV myself?

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LLyric:

I run svn-head using a spec file based on the one in the myth wiki. Works pretty good...

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LLyric:

PaulWay: you might be interested in http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mythtv-users& . . . 0258&w=2

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PaulWay:

This is on pvrwire, juski?

[12:06:11]

PaulWay:

Ahhhh, it's in mythextras, eh?

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PaulWay:

I wonder why it doesn't show up in yum --enablerepo=atrpms whatprovides nuvexport

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PaulWay:

Thanks very much for that, LLyric.

[12:06:45]

LLyric:

Since very recently, probably before atrpms packaging.

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PaulWay:

juski: Seems to me: basically equal in looks, MythTV rocks in features.

[12:07:17]

PaulWay:

(from the review).

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** LLyric grins **

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juski:

http://tvease.net/docs/Azorix/MythCompare/compare.html

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juski:

fucking lametard

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LLyric:

Once you've had pvr, you'll never go back to live tv. It just sucks so bad, by comparison.

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juski:

speaking of lametards....

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juski:

/usr/lib/libmythavcodec-0.20.so: undefined reference to `XvMCLoadQMatrix'

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juski:

I have all the libs installed...

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PaulWay:

I had my brother and his gf over for Xmas, and they were admiring MythTV.

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LLyric:

juski: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2006 . . . /151523.html

[12:09:30]

PaulWay:

They still went to watch live TV though, and gradually I educated them to watching prerecorded and avoiding the dross.

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PaulWay:

juski: Ah, I saw a review of that review.

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juski:

LLyric: this is on a fresh install of ubuntu – mythtv isn't installed

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LLyric:

where is /usr/lib/libmythavcodec-0.20.so coming from, then?

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juski:

ah hang on... maybe I'm using the wrong prefix

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PaulWay:

OK, it looks like Axel's reference to -r 12253 is wrong somehow.

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LLyric:

Yup :)

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LLyric:

Didn't I say that already? :)

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LLyric:

Make your own rpms from svn-head, for all the newest goodness

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juski:

./configure --enable-dvb --disable-firewire --disable-xvmc --disable-xvmc-pro --disable-hdhomerun --disable-dbox2 --prefix=/usr

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juski:

that outta do it

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PaulWay:

You need qmake to compile MythTV, yes?

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quicksilver:

yes

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quicksilver:

I believe so

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quicksilver:

but you should get it as part of the qt-dev package, which you need anyway

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juski:

/usr/lib/libmythavcodec-0.20.so: undefined reference to `XvMCLoadQMatrix'

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juski:

bah!

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Hoxzer:

yeah -> airport

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juski:

finally!

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juski:

did a sudo make uninstall, then sudo make distclean, then configure with --prefix=/usr

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ille_:

At revision 12345.

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ille_:

lol

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bpickford:

what could cause theis error?

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bpickford:

Autoexpire Recording ERROR: Filesystem Info cache is empty, unable to determine what Recordings to expire

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tripppy:

anyone running XBMCmythtv python script?

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bpickford:

ls

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lupin_sansei:

Is it possible to get myth to automatically go to "fill" when a programme is in 4:3?

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lupin_sansei:

can myth tell on DVB what aspect ratio a programme is in?

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GreyFoxx:

the mpeg stream contains that info I believe

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lupin_sansei:

I wonder if when they broadcast a 4:3 programme over DVB if they change the aspect ratio of the stream, or just send it as 16:9 and add the bars in?

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Ruleke:

yep

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namuch:

is anyone running the latest xorg (7), and using xvmc with current nvidia drivers?

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Ruleke:

switches automatically here

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lupin_sansei:

Ruleke: is it your TV that switches or myth?

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Ruleke:

tv

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Ruleke:

err

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Ruleke:

no

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Ruleke:

that one plays to an LCD, I guess it's myth that detects it

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** Ruleke not sure now **

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Ruleke:

It's in the mpeg stream for sure, even other players like xine or vlc detect it

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lupin_sansei:

I think the stream is 16:9 and when they have a 4:3 programme they still keep the stream at 16:9 and just "add" the bars

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lupin_sansei:

Since the ads in the programme are in 16:9

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doc_:

hi

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namuch:

is anyone running the latest xorg (7), and using xvmc with current nvidia drivers?

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juski:

why do folks want stuff in the wrong aspect anyway?

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juski:

gets on my nerves, that

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juski:

I spose if you have a plasma you can't afford to watch too much pillarboxed 4:3 stuff :-P

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quicksilver:

speaking as a humble 4:3 TV owner I find it much more pleasant to watch widescreen content zoomed than letterboxed

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Ruleke:

lupin_sansei: not here

[14:09:12]

Ruleke:

lupin_sansei: here the actual stream changes, no bars

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juski:

what sometimes happens is that you'll get a 4:3 show broadcast as 16:9 with bars at the sides. And if the 4:3 show contains letterboxed content already... oof!

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juski:

I have some dvds like that :(

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Ruleke:

I've not seen that :/

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lupin_sansei:

What I have is a 4:3 monitor, and when I watch 4:3 programmes they appear smaller than the monitor with bars on all sides.

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seth|laptop:

I have a 43" 4:3 TV, I have the aspect auto adjust to 4:3 via the TV settings menu in Myth. Always looks good, accept for the commercials, which I usually don't see, due to the wicked cool commflag technology, ;-)

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juski:

43" 4:3? eew

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juski:

then again you have my condolences if it's also NTSC

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Ruleke:

hehe

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juski:

with slave backends, can you still have local video storage or do you have to have it all 'local' ?

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juski:

i.e. over NFS or myth protocol?

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Ruleke:

I use a central nfs exported volume for all my recordings

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spuck00:

Is there still a theme-editor?

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juski:

spuck00: prolly not

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juski:

though the original 'mix & match' monstrosity is no doubt still around somewhere

[14:55:54]

spuck00:

been looking around a little yesterday but no luck :P

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ille_:

dunno if this is valid http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Creating_themes

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juski:

just get in there & do it yerself

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juski:

I have. four times

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juski:

it's not difficult. annoying sometimes, but not difficult

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Bernardo:

juski: that's a interesting question, I was thinking of having another backend to solve the conflicts between the two boards

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spuck00:

yeah but i don't really wana get into it just change some on some existing themes so they look better

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juski:

spuck00: that's how I started

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juski:

what I ended up with is here: www.juski.co.uk

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juski:

it begins with changing one little png

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juski:

before you know it you're neck deep in xml & pngs

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ille_:

juski: is biotube in svn?

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juski:

biotube?

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ille_:

soory blooo

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juski:

no it's not

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juski:

it's too big, so someone will have to make an executive decision to kill off some other themes

[15:00:27]

juski:

muhahahahahahahahahaha

[15:00:30]

juski:

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[15:00:38]

sandeen:

anybody have a Toshiba HDTV connected via HDMI?

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ille_:

oh, yeah, my svn tree was like 700 MB after compilation...

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juski:

my theme is a tad over 20MB

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juski:

the projectgrayhem (eew) ones are a lot less though

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juski:

and the OSD theme is much smaller too

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ille_:

highdef for a highdef TV :)

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juski:

but fear not, I plan to do a 'lite' version soonish

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** sandeen wonders why his manual warns about connecting to a PC via HDMI :/ **

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juski:

sandeen: if it's a plasma or lcd you've no need to worry about blowing it up – it shouldn't be possible for that to happen

[15:03:18]

sandeen:

it's lcd

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DVBMark:

juski figure out your compile prob heh?

[15:03:27]

sandeen:

there are 2 specific warnings not to connect a PC :/

[15:03:32]

juski:

DVBMark: yeah

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juski:

sandeen: what do they say?

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sandeen:

maybe I'll ping the toshiba customer service folks for more details, they seem helpful. And of course I'll try it anyway :)

[15:03:55]

sandeen:

juski, they say "don't do it" ;-)

[15:04:08]

sandeen:

soemthing about "not engineered to support a PC connection" or something vague like that

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juski:

sounds like bullshit to me

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sandeen:

yeah but why would they say that

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namuch:

prolly means it won't expose edid information to the x driver

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sandeen:

namuch, I thought the same...

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juski:

aye

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sandeen:

though there must be some sort of info like that that goes over the hdmi, or it wouldn't work right?

[15:05:09]

juski:

woohoo I now have a 4 tuner mythtv system

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** sandeen doesn't have that many pci slots **

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namuch:

so, see if someone else already has a working modeline for that tv and you should be godd

[15:05:26]

namuch:

good

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juski:

sandeen: nor do I ;)

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sandeen:

namuch, well I don't see that tv in particular, but plenty of others w/ the same pixel resolution...

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juski:

well I DO, but I don't like disturbing my production system much

[15:06:23]

juski:

plus I wanted to experience settings up a slave backend

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namuch:

i had to to do alot of playing and guessing when i first got my sony lcd, and it was annoying but i eventually found a modeline that worked

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sandeen:

namuch, what did you run into? seems like it should be simple

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namuch:

i had problems like overscanned display, xvmc hard-locking the computer, fun stuff like that

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juski:

most LCD/Plasma displays overscan believe it or not

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juski:

and when you're watching TV you prolly still need a little bit of overscan since the producers of tv still assume there IS overscan on folks' TVs

[15:08:24]

namuch:

yeah, but you shoiuld be able to get a modeline that is edge-to-edge on most hdtv's nowadays i think

[15:08:39]

namuch:

mine is now (1280x720)

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juski:

and people who make themes for mythtv should ALWAYS obey at least a 5% overscan rule of thumb

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juski:

if they don't, they're retarded IMHO

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sandeen:

ummm what's overscan again? :)

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juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Overscan

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namuch:

sandeen: overscan is the rendering of a display that actually goes beyond the corners of your screen

[15:11:27]

namuch:

mostly so tube televisions don't leave distortions or black edges in the corners

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** Bernardo wonders if his Hollywood plus mpeg2 card can be used with mythtv for compression **

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GreyFoxx:

No

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GreyFoxx:

that card is for decoding, not encoding

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GreyFoxx:

Decoding + TVout

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juski:

VDR supports it, IIRC

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sandeen:

juski, namuch thanks

[15:12:21]

sandeen:

so i'm inclined to disbelieve some of my toshiba manual...

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sandeen:

it also says that using the auto-aspect ratio to stretch the image may subject me to civil and criminal liabilities

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sandeen:

under the copyright laws of the united states

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sandeen:

if used for anything other than private viewing :)

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Bernardo:

GreyFoxx: ok, thanks

[15:13:21]

namuch:

wow, they have a great pair of noids going for them don't they?

[15:13:47]

juski:

heheh

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GreyFoxx:

Bernardo: I use to use one for playback a long time ago, but due to a HD failure lost all of the source including the modded X server :(

[15:13:56]

Bernardo:

GreyFoxx: I didn't manage to get a decent capture yesterday. Wireshark on windows doesn't seem to work with the wifi interface

[15:14:03]

Bernardo:

GreyFoxx: that's too bad... :(

[15:14:15]

GreyFoxx:

Bernardo: I use wireshark to snag off my wireless all the time

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GreyFoxx:

Including all of my upnp dumps to the working upnp servers I have on my laptop

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Bernardo:

maybe the problem is zonealarm

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Bernardo:

as for the hollywood plus, I was now looking at http://dxr3.sourceforge.net/howto.html, but if you tell me it isn't supported...

[15:15:32]

juski:

okay.. time to do a humongous test

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Bernardo:

this howto is way old, though

[15:16:04]

GreyFoxx:

Bernardo: It's not

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GreyFoxx:

Plus like I said, that is for decoding+tvout, nto for encoding/compression :)

[15:16:42]

GreyFoxx:

They still have an active mailing list

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GreyFoxx:

I get a few a week

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namuch:

one more time for this question: is anyone using the latest xorg (7.1) with fairly new nvidia drivers AND using xvmc?

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Bernardo:

They have recent news at that site (November 2006)

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GreyFoxx:

Bernardo: Yup, new version not long ago

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juski:

hrm... Encoder 5 is remote on ubuntu2 and is not recording

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Ruleke:

:)

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Ruleke:

sounds good

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Bernardo:

I'll have to leave early today again to try and get a decent capture before the family comes home...

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Bernardo:

maybe disabling zone alarm will let wireshar capture packets

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juski:

hrm. my backend sees the slave, but it's not letting it be used for recordings

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Ruleke:

you have 5 recordings sheduled ? :)

[15:24:09]

juski:

nope

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juski:

ahh I think I know what's up

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juski:

Encoder 5 is remote on ubuntu2 and is recording: '301 (301)' on 301. This recording will end at 3:36 PM.

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juski:

to prevent a major fuckup I added a new video source on the slave backend & scanned for channels on that

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juski:

so obviously the 1st 2 encoders (dvb tuners) are only bound to the other video source :)

[15:28:18]

cybergyp1y:

any of you guys used this tinxi dvb-s card ?

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cybergyp1y:

http://cgi.ebay.fr/2306-DVB-S-PCI-carte-tv-TN . . . cmdZViewItem

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juski:

cybergyp1y: if you don't see it listed on linuxtv.org's site, it very well might not work in linux

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cybergyp1y:

hi juski , the tinxi says it works with linux

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juski:

http://www.curious-contraptions.com/forums/sh . . . .php?t=27781

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juski:

tinxi?

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cybergyp1y:

http://www.tinxi.de/product_info.php?cPath=10 . . . a6b1f17de24~

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juski:

it's not on this list: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_devices_DVB-S

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juski:

so if I were you I wouldn't buy it

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cybergyp1y:

ok , cheers juski

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juski:

support for it might be in newer kernels, or you might have to juggle with modules from linuxtv.org's mercurial repository, but it's likely to not work 'out of the box'

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cybergyp1y:

noted

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juski:

reason I've set up the slave backend is so I can record 6 hours of a NYE party radio show

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juski:

the guy who does the visuals for Fatboy Slim is VJing

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sandeen:

"HDMI only supports 1280x720p and 1920x1080i (ie. 1920x540i). This is the case for all LCD panels, unless otherwise explicitly specifid by the manufacturer. HDMI chipsets are designed for DTV-spec resolutions, nothing more."

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sandeen:

hmmm

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BULLE:

sandeen: that is not true

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BULLE:

sandeen: that info you have is old, and outdated

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BULLE:

sandeen: there are several revisions of the hdmi spec, 1.0 1.1 1.2 and 1.3 so far

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BULLE:

1.3 supports 1920x1080p for example

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sandeen:

BULLE, thanks

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sandeen:

guess i'll read up some more

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sandeen:

i suppose I should stop speculating and wait 'til I can hook the myth box to the tv :)

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fryfrog:

sandeen: are you wondering if your DVI -> HDMI cable will work?

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juski:

time for some manual channel fettling

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GreyFoxx:

fg

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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Neeesat25:

I have give access to mythtv user in mysql database but still I can not connect and I get: Failed to init MythContext, exiting.

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juski:

heh. little bit of mysql-fu & I can now record 3 shows from dvb tuners at the same time with my 2 backends :)

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juski:

now I just need to know which interactive stream will have the NYE radio show visuals on it

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cybergyp1y:

juski: your system sounds stunning , is it documented anywhere ?

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sandeen:

fryfrog, yes

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sandeen:

seems like this is more complex than I expected

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Bernardo:

juski: is it that hard to get a slave backend working?

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awilkins:

I have three tuners, but it's all on one combined system

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BULLE:

sandeen: simplest is to just read your tvs manual, to see what input formats it supports

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sandeen:

BULLE, manual has a dire warning about not connecting to a PC via HDMI :)

[16:08:22]

sandeen:

so it's not too helpful

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sandeen:

it says to only use the vga input

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juski:

documented anywhere? where the hell would I find time to do that? four themes, website, helping out in here & on mythtvtalk.com ....

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juski:

I blog occasionally but it's a big piss-poor waste of time IMHO

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juski:

Bernardo: yeah it's easy to get a slave backend up & going

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psofa:

anyone around with an 8ms lcd tv panel that can share with me his thoughts about his set's ghosting?

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psofa:

i have a ghosting phobia :P

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BULLE:

psofa: those numbers are realy irrelevant

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BULLE:

psofa: it all depends on how you measure it, and what type of panel it is, and so on

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fryfrog:

sandeen: mine would display almost any resoultion it wanted

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psofa:

BULLE, sure but sony/samsung use the same panels

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fryfrog:

in fact, i think my stupid video card thought it was an 800x600 max display, thanks to crappy edid

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Bernardo:

juski: I'll probably try that soon

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psofa:

plus i think all lcd tv's use spva panels

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BULLE:

psofa: atleast samsung uses several diff panel types, for different price segments, i dont know about sony

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psofa:

BULLE, not really

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juski:

8ms shouldn't ghost

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psofa:

im talking about lcd tvs

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BULLE:

me to

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Bernardo:

I just wish I could get mythfrontend running on my old simpad (800x600 lcd is nice enough to watch video around the house)

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juski:

the human persistence of vision is way more than that

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psofa:

juski i have an spva 6ms and in fps i can see ghosting

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BULLE:

you actualy see color with a slight delay, in respect to black and white

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BULLE:

its pretty funny

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juski:

never noticed it on my 12ms LCD

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psofa:

juski, tv or pc monitor?

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juski:

but gimme a CRT over any LCD

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juski:

pc monitor

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psofa:

juski, spva/vid games?

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juski:

spva?

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psofa:

panel type

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Bernardo:

the simpad main problems are it's small memory, and having only 16bits pcmcia... Which means no 802.11g

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juski:

no frickin idea

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juski:

looks nice

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psofa:

lol

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Bernardo:

bbl

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sandeen:

hmm I keep finding suggestions that vga will look better than hdmi

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juski:

if you look long enough you'll prolly find someone who thinks a PoS looks better than Beyonce

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juski:

or VHS looks better than DVD

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juski:

I'm always yelling at people to RTFM but you can sometimes read too much ;)

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juski:

especially on the internet

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sandeen:

yeah

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sandeen:

as I said I should just shut up until I can actually connect this thing up :)

[16:17:26]

sandeen:

but it sounds like there may be some restrictions on what resolutions are supported via HDMI on the display...

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juski:

it'll cost you nowt to try it

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sandeen:

though why it wouldn't support the native pixel resolution I can't imagine

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sandeen:

juski, problem is the mythbox is currently in another state ;-)

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juski:

a limitation of the input framestore, maybe

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juski:

it'll resample _everything_ to the panel's native res.

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sandeen:

*sigh*

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juski:

reminds me actually – at my inlaws on xmas eve & day... wow their TV looks awful. I'd almost forgotten how crap VHS is

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sandeen:

well glad I got this thing at a mainstream B&M store so I can return it if it really goes south

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juski:

I'm gonna go watch some mythtv :)

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sandeen:

my parents don't even have cable, it's all over the air stuff on a 20 year old TV :)

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DarkDrgn2k:

Hey any one here know anythign about myth tv?

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juski:

hahaha fuck no

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juski:

hem

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DarkDrgn2k:

umm sory im sick wrong word

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DarkDrgn2k:

let me try that again

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DarkDrgn2k:

Hey any one here know anythign about DVB

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juski:

a bit...

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** DarkDrgn2k feels stupid **

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DarkDrgn2k:

ok what does "status == 01" mean

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juski:

referring to what exactly?

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DarkDrgn2k:

tuning

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juski:

in what?

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DarkDrgn2k:

dvbtune

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DarkDrgn2k:

szap

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juski:

rtfm on szap

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DarkDrgn2k:

its a driver message though i think

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DarkDrgn2k:

and the fm is ussless

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juski:

locate README.szap

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DarkDrgn2k:

lol that doesnt help much iether reagards to that msg

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juski:

well, is it worky?

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juski:

my rationale being, if it works, why worry about it?

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juski:

but from the readme.szap file it seems that: "status 0x1f --- The demodulator status bits. 0x1f means all bits set, everything ok.

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juski:

"

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DarkDrgn2k:

01

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juski:

so maybe it hasn't got a lock

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juski:

maybe your dish is screwed or pointing the wrong way

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juski:

maybe you're not zapping to the right bird/channel/whatever

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DarkDrgn2k:

juski: no the dish isent screwed and is pointed right

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juski:

and finally from the README.szap file...

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juski:

If everything is alright and all frontend circuits are working stable

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juski:

(are locked) you should see a FE_HAS_LOCK in the rightmost line

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juski:

if you don't see FE_HAS_LOCK when you szap, then something's not worky

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DarkDrgn2k:

ok cause i had it workign once.. but i wiped the comptuer

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DarkDrgn2k:

and for some reason it doesnt seem to work now.

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juski:

wtf did you do that? silly thing to do if it's worky

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DarkDrgn2k:

ok let me rehprase.. i placed the card in a smaller computer with a smalle rcase to use as a settop

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juski:

modules loaded?

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DarkDrgn2k:

i checked dmesg and it seems to be working

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DarkDrgn2k:

i think so.

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juski:

device tree in /dev/ present & correct?

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DarkDrgn2k:

yes

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DarkDrgn2k:

ill paste bin dmesg...

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juski:

never mind that

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juski:

does scan work?

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DarkDrgn2k:

no

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DarkDrgn2k:

[root@localhost ~]# ls /dev/dvb

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DarkDrgn2k:

adapter0

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juski:

ls -al /dev/dvb

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juski:

see who owns it

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DarkDrgn2k:

root

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DarkDrgn2k:

drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 120 Dec 28 11:26 adapter0

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juski:

make your user part of the 'video' group

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juski:

ahh

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juski:

shouldn't it be owned by the video group?

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DarkDrgn2k:

juski: but i run dvbscan as root

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DarkDrgn2k:

too

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doc_:

has anyone used a dual tuner card ?

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juski:

ah

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juski:

anyway I have recordings to catch up on

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juski:

good luck

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DarkDrgn2k:

:(

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** DarkDrgn2k still at sq1 **

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juski:

24/7 support isn't cheap :-P

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DarkDrgn2k:

juski: yes i know

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DarkDrgn2k:

juski: but this is now day 4

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DarkDrgn2k:

juski: LoL tried to recompile te kernel, tried everthign i can think of

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DarkDrgn2k:

juski: connected the card directly to the bird.. new cable..

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DarkDrgn2k:

any one know if ther eis a utility to check signal strength

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DarkDrgn2k:

any one know if im sopposed to have audio0 in my /dev/dvb/adapterx/

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Max0:

hi all

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Max0:

im getting sound and picture from my card with a range of players

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Max0:

but mplayer gives the best picture and uses the least system resources

[17:28:23]

Max0:

but it has no sound

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Max0:

could anyone help

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ollekalle:

Hi, I am having troubles to get any tuned channels with my PVR-500. To me it seems like XMLTv installed fine and I have a neat set of channels and corresponding metadata. However all channels show the same noice-crap. I have tried a few scan-tools without success (no channels found). To me it seems like my tuner is not fully cooperating with my drivers. Anyone have any suggestions, ideas or other help?

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Max0:

have you tried another device on the same antena?

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Max0:

and wiring*

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ollekalle:

Max0: yep – same RF cables in my TV set works 100%

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ollekalle:

Max0: I have noticed though that non of my cable switching causes any slightest change in the "noice" displayed

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Max0:

have your installed dvb tools?

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juski:

pvr500 is analogue

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Max0:

o right

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ollekalle:

I have no DVB support

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Max0:

juski anyidea why im not gettin sound with mplayer but other players

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Max0:

other players tend to be slow and eat system resources but mplayer is far the best

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juski:

try xine

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Max0:

yeah i have i get sound but rapes the pc

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juski:

what speed cpu?

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juski:

it's only sdtv mpeg2

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Max0:

3gig intel

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juski:

wha?!

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juski:

you've got proper video card drivers installed, right?

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Max0:

its a onbard card

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Max0:

so im wounderin if its soo lame

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Max0:

too*

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juski:

what kind of onboard video?

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juski:

jesus my 800mhz athlon has no bother playing back freeview

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squish102:

help: changed over to xfce4 as windows manager on FC6. run nvidia drivers. system hangs if i leave it for approx 1–3 hours in X. using vnc to access desktop has no problem. think it is my nvidia driver?

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squish102:

nothing in logs to tell me why it hangs

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ollekalle:

squish102: Does it work fine with the "nv" driver?

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squish102:

ollekalle, let me try that... i'm not being very bright

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ollekalle:

squish102: I had similar problems with my nvidia driver and after reading some forums it showed up to be the AGP driver that was the problem. Adding 'Option "NvAGP" "0"' in my xorg.conf helped me

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squish102:

ok, i have noted that and will try it, thx

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juski:

did #mythtv-users just get Mr Lucas' approval? THX?!

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ollekalle:

:)

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juski:

ths int mbl phn spk ya knw

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GreyFoxx:

So, are there are any good container formats out there now that have menus and such? So one can "rip" a DVD to something other than an ISO and preserve the menus and options ?

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GreyFoxx:

I had seen an article on something called RAT two years ago

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GreyFoxx:

and supposedly divx 6 can do it, but I've yet to see a single one

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juski:

not the ogg format thingy?

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fryfrog:

menus are for bitches, when i rip i just rip the movie :)

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juski:

http://mcf.sourceforge.net/

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juski:

http://www.matroska.org/

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juski:

there's 2 for starters :)

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GreyFoxx:

I've heard of matroska, but never had oen and didn't know they had menus :)

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juski:

looks pretty spiffy

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm and ffmpeg supports it too

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Inssomniak:

Failed to run tv_find_grabbers

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Inssomniak:

? what does this mean?

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juski:

hmmm plain English error messages.. what do they mean?

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Max0:

ahh managed to sort out my samba box

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Max0:

:D

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juski:

yeah but have you sorted out the playback slowness problem?

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juski:

what chipset is the onboard graphics based around?

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Neeesat25:

I cant make mythtv create the tables in mythconverg database. I create the database and have the correct permitions as mythtv but when I try to run mythtv-setup after finishing I get: Failed to init MythContext, exiting.

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Max0:

no havnt sorted the playback slowness yet. what codec would the tvcard play

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Max0:

as ive tested all the players with mp3s to see if its that the is rapin the pc

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Max0:

movies play fine from fthe hd

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juski:

on a 3GHz P4, you'd be very surprised if mp3 playback is what hogs the cpu

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Max0:

yeah thast what i thought

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Max0:

xine says its dropping frames

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Max0:

and the picture is very jummpy

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Max0:

fine with mplayer tho

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juski:

what chipset is the onboard graphics based around?

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Max0:

not sure how would i tell

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juski:

lspci would be a start

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Max0:

http://pastebin.ca/294695

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juski:

ahh unichrome-pro

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juski:

this some epia motherboard?

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Max0:

asus

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Max0:

it was cheap

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Max0:

first pc i havnt put togther

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juski:

on ubuntu? hrm... this'll be why video playback is so crappy

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Max0:

plays fine of hd and with mplayer tho

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Max0:

s/and/or/g;

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jcopper:

quit

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juski:

maybe try with xine -pfhq --no-splash -V xv $filename

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juski:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome might be a good place to look aswell

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Neeesat25:

mythconverg is been created by mc.sql but mythtv-setup is refusing to create tables.

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rsdvd:

Good Evening all – does anyone have a full lircrc for the MCE remote control? the included example in the lirc only has a few buttons assigned, and I wondered if anyone had they were proud of before I try and re-invent one ?

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BULLE:

rsdvd: you have seen the file awailable from the mythv wiki, right ?

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rsdvd:

BULLE : I am not sure where I got my current one (either the myth site or lirc) – but only part of the remote is defined. I will have another look in the Wiki and try and compare – thanks

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juski:

Neeesat25: you've been here more than once before – and you've had mythtv worky before too IIRC

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Max0:

just had a power cut :(

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Max0:

all my pcs have gone ape

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BULLE:

ape o/

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juski:

hope none of them use xfs & that none of the filesystems are almost full ;)

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juski:

Neeesat25: checked ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt by any chance?

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Neeesat25:

I was install it first as apt-get install mythtv then remove it to make database work. I would like to have it run from source without have to do apt-get

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juski:

checked that mysql is running and the requisite privileges are set?

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juski:

oh ffs not fucking UMBONGO again

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Neeesat25:

mysql is running and I can login with no problem via phpmyadmin

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juski:

apt-get install mythtv will install mythtv-database which, lo & behold, randomises the mythtv mysql user's password

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juski:

you can find the REAL mysql password for the mythtv mysql user in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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ollekalle:

Max0, juski: FYI, I had to hard code what tuner I had on my analouge card to get TV signal.

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ollekalle:

(unfortunately MPEG2 encoder and my tv-out made some degrade on the signal...)

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BULLE:

Neeesat25: as what user do you login in via phpmyadmin ?

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Neeesat25:

mythtv

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Neeesat25:

I can see mythconverg but with 0 tables

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BULLE:

and you are using the same password as you have configured mythv to use ?

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Neeesat25:

yes I have set in mythtv-setup Username: mythtv and password: mythtv

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juski:

Neeesat25: has the machine's hostname changed?

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Neeesat25:

no, I have localhost

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BULLE:

and is mysql listening on localhost ? eg 127.0.0.1 ?

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juski:

NO, has the machine's hostname changed?!

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Neeesat25:

This is a fresh install

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Neeesat25:

I have not change the hostname

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Neeesat25:

I can login phpmyadmin from the local machine too with mythtv user

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Neeesat25:

Nevermind I will mess with it tommorow. Thanks

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sandeen:

"Any damage or problems that arise from connecting a PC to a Toshiba television without a PC Monitor Input (15 Pin D-Sub Connection), will void the warranty on the product."

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sandeen:

ugh.

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Max00:

how would they tell you connected a pc?

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sandeen:

i don't suppose they would

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sandeen:

plus if I bring it back to the store within the return period with a "ENOWORKIE" vs. a warranty request I imagine it'd be no problem at all

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sandeen:

i asked for a technical explanation of the reason hdmi "won't work" but didn't get that :)

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sandeen:

well so I -do- have a PC Monitor Input on the tv. I just don't plan to -use- it when I connect my PC :

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sandeen:

:)

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** sandeen finds a loophole **

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** BULLE makes mental note not to consider toshiba for tvs **

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sandeen:

BULLE, well we'll see how it works

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sandeen:

i'm gonna call their customer solution line and see if I can get more info

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sandeen:

because clearly digitial inputs -work-

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sandeen:

since it has HDMI, right

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kormoc:

so basically you have a hdmi input that doesn't work with your dvi out on your video card?

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bpickford:

help please, what could cause this error in the backend logs?

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bpickford:

Autoexpire Recording ERROR: Filesystem Info cache is empty, unable to determine what Recordings to expire

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sandeen:

kormoc, I don't know that it does not work – but toshiba's man page & email help says that it will not

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sandeen:

I'm not entirely inclined to believe them

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kormoc:

sandeen, it might actually not work if it requires HDCP

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sandeen:

kormoc, I haven't hooked it up yet, display & PC are in 2 different states :)

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sandeen:

kormoc, oh, that would suck :/

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sandeen:

i thought this part was simple :)

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kormoc:

heh, tends to be, but you know, at times...

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sandeen:

well maybe this is much ado about nothing. perhaps I should wait a few days til I can hook it up & see

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** sandeen calls toshiba anyway to try to get some actual technical answers **

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sandeen:

ok that didn't help :)

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sandeen:

"because the hdmi input is not prepared for a PC connection"

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sandeen:

er, yeah

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sandeen:

"is there a -technical- reason this won't work?"

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sandeen:

"because you can mess it up"

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sandeen:

:/

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

so it's one of two things. 1. it'll work fine, 2. it requires hdcp

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sandeen:

kormoc, does the "require hdcp" part depend on the programming?

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sandeen:

or is the tv possibly set up to require HDCP for -any- HDMI input

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** SeaWeed Hey guys im have a problem Compileing ( mythplugins ) can some 1 help with this error **

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SeaWeed:

( mythplugins.12348 )

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SeaWeed:

.

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SeaWeed:

./usr/lib/libmythavcodec-0.20.so.0: undefined reference to `XvMCLoadQMatrix'

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SeaWeed:

./usr/lib/libmythavcodec-0.20.so.0: undefined reference to `XvMCBeginSurface'

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SeaWeed:

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

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SeaWeed:

make[2]: *** [mytharchivehelper] Error 1

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SeaWeed:

make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/mythtv.cvs/mythplugins.12348/mytharchive/mytharchivehelper'

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SeaWeed:

make[1]: *** [sub-mytharchivehelper] Error 2

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SeaWeed:

make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/mythtv.cvs/mythplugins.12348/mytharchive'

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SeaWeed:

make: *** [sub-mytharchive] Error 2

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xris:

SeaWeed: pastebin, please

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SeaWeed:

oh sorry

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jcopper:

has anyone set up modelines for a 57' tv?

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xris:

jcopper: usually depends on the tv itself

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Anduin:

that is a large TV

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xris:

and I don't think anyone here owns a 57 foot tv.

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fryfrog:

wow, that is a *huge* tv!

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fryfrog:

i think i'd be happy just to have a 57' house :)

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SeaWeed:

Ok Now Can some 1 help with this error --> http://pastebin.com/846651 Trying to compile ( Myth Plugins )

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xris:

SeaWeed: mythtv installed?

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SeaWeed:

Mythtv Compiled and Install perfect no error's

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xris:

run ldconfig?

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SeaWeed:

i did ./config

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xris:

not the same thing

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SeaWeed:

Ok so i need to run ldconfig first

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SeaWeed:

Hum what did do i do ldconf in

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DVBMark:

don't have a 57" tv either but my parents do and plan on setting up myth on their system too. It is a hitachi 57s700 or something like that. if you get a modeline for that pass it over heh

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xris:

SeaWeed: just run ldconfig and recompile.

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SeaWeed:

same error

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SeaWeed:

:(

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xris:

DVBMark and jcopper: X -configure

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jcopper:

that is the same model of hitachi that I have

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DVBMark:

nice so get me a modeline LOL

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DVBMark:

will try that xris

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DVBMark:

thanks

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jcopper:

I have been trying for myself

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xris:

SeaWeed: I don't see any errors in your pastebin... need more context.

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xris:

SeaWeed: might also try to clear your ccache, for good measure.

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cheatersrealm:

is there a way to scan the frequencies to determine which channels go with which channels using an ivtv tool?

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SeaWeed:

( xris ) Here is Total output

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SeaWeed:

http://pastebin.com/846657

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jcopper:

I believe just run ivtv-tune with no options and it gives you a list of available options and in there is the option

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xris:

SeaWeed: clear your ccache

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SeaWeed:

How do i do that ?

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xris:

rm -rf ~/.ccache

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SeaWeed:

ok let me try that

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SeaWeed:

Ok This may Work takeing lot longer now

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SeaWeed:

should know in few min's

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xris:

it'll take longer because it's not cached anymore

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xris:

just need to eliminate all possible things that might cause trouble

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xris:

you should also make sure that you don't have two copies of mythtv installed (package vs compiled by hand)

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SeaWeed:

Same Error

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SeaWeed:

Hum let me Double Check to make shure not 2 myths on pc

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IamEthos:

so how do I make myth not reset the volume every time I change a channel?

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cheatersrealm:

argh, this tuner is such a pita

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cheatersrealm:

HOLY CRAP IT WORKED

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cheatersrealm:

ALL HAIL ME

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cheatersrealm:

judge joe brown!? aww hell

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kormoc:

sandeen, it could be setup to just require it for all hdmi input

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IamEthos:

anyone know what this is about? QSettings::sync: filename is null/empty

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Inssomniak:

is there any particular reason why mythbackend can go from working fine to hardlocking the PC

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Inssomniak:

during start, can a database problem cause this?

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kormoc:

check the logs?

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Inssomniak:

none are produced except the console output

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kormoc:

so change the verbrosity of the console output and see what it says?

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bpickford:

Inssomniak: SATA hd's?

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Inssomniak:

yea bpickford

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Rince:

aaaaaaaaaaaaa

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Inssomniak:

?

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bpickford:

you need a 2.6.18 kernel

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Inssomniak:

I have 2.6.19

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bpickford:

check /var/log/messages

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kormoc:

bpickford, and no, not all SATA drives/controlers require 2.6.18...

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bpickford:

<< my expierence is limited to my set-up — sorry

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kormoc:

a lot of the common sata controlers are supported back in the 2.5.3x days or so

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Inssomniak:

I can paste the last line before hardlock with -v all turned on

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kormoc:

if it's not too long, sure

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Inssomniak:

2006-12–28 16:43:05.151 MSqlQuery: SELECT startchan FROM capturecard, cardinput WHERE capturecard.cardid = cardinput.cardid AND capturecard.cardid = 7 AND inputname = 'DVBInput #3'

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kormoc:

it hasn't locked up without mythbackend going?

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Inssomniak:

this is mythbackend

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Inssomniak:

when I start it

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kormoc:

right

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kormoc:

but the machine runs fine if you don't start the backend?

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Inssomniak:

yea, mythbackend was also working fine until 10 minutes ago

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kormoc:

you might want to stresstest the machine without the backend running, it might be unrelated to the backend

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bpickford:

kormoc: can you help me with my minor problem

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bpickford:

pls?

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bpickford:

Autoexpire Recording ERROR: Filesystem Info cache is empty, unable to determine what Recordings to expire

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bpickford:

mythtv isnt reporting the hd size either

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kormoc:

did you try restarting your backend?

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bpickford:

yep and the machine

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kormoc:

can you fsck the drive?

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bpickford:

yep , one mo pls

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IamEthos:

anyone interested in helping me select parts for a myth box?

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bpickford:

cant fsck right now kormoc , but smart reports ok, and there were no errors on the last boot

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kormoc:

well, if I was you, I'd force a fsck to happen, as those are bad things to have going on

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bpickford:

ok, ty

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kormoc:

hope it works out well!

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bpickford:

it'll be fine, i have an array of disks, if ones gone down, resize remove and replace :)

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kormoc:

that doesn't help against filesystem issues, if your supernodes get corrupt and unrepairable, you can't really get at the data

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kusznir:

Hi all: I've got some questions regarding mythwelcome. I'm trying to set it up to use my server and WOL as opposed to nvram-wakeup (which currently does not support my motherboard).

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kusznir:

Earlier I had it at least claiming it was going to shut down the system, now it just sits there and says "MythTV is idle", but does not give the "shutting down in 60 seconds" notice.

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bpickford:

kormoc: no corruptions reported on the hard disks

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bpickford:

-- phew

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bpickford:

:)

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bpickford:

df reports the drive capacity correctly

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bpickford:

how does mythbackend get the data?

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kormoc:

df, which is strange

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jduggan:

not specific to mythtv, but does anyone know what teh difference between single and dual link dvi is?

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kormoc:

jduggan, the size display the dvi can drive

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kormoc:

jduggan, wikipedia has a good story on it

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bpickford:

df output http://pastebin.com/846733

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bpickford:

mythbackend Total disk space: Unknown

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bpickford:

it was working with this set up

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bpickford:

but isnt now

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kormoc:

that's super strange

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bpickford:

well at least it isnt fatal, but the autoexpire isnt working

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bpickford:

Autoexpire Recording ERROR: Filesystem Info cache is empty, unable to determine what Recordings to expire

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mistone:

if I recorded my recordings to a USB2 harddrive would playback be effected?

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Corey0808:

Should I try and hunt for a "Type A" PVR-500 or just get two PVR-150s?

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kormoc:

why a type A?

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Corey0808:

kormoc: Phillips tuners

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kormoc:

Corey0808, but samsung tuners are supported in newer versions of ivtv, so any specific reason to want phillips tuners?

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slowone:

Corey0808: newegg is shipping type a cards again

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Corey0808:

because the samsung tuners I hear are highly sensitive to signal strength

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slowone:

or at least the whitebox pvr500 i got on tuesday was a type a from newegg

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Corey0808:

slowone: Do the phillips tuners provide the same quality as an individual PVR-150?

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slowone:

i dont own a pvr150 so cant say

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Corey0808:

slowone: this the one you got? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116628

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slowone:

yup

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mistone:

I have a pvr-150 MCE LP and the quality is pretty damn good

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slowone:

shipped out of fresno,ca

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mistone:

I dunno how much better it could get really

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Corey0808:

I'm trying to decide between building a PVR box or getting a Nintendo Wii :)

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mistone:

I got both

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mistone:

:D

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mistone:

er

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mistone:

about to

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Corey0808:

haha I can't afford both

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mistone:

getting a wii really soon

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Corey0808:

it's a touch decision, I don't know what to do

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mistone:

if you are getting the wii to play old games then get myth cause you can get mythgames its cool

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Corey0808:

well I want a Wii for New games (obviously) and old games...

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Corey0808:

arghh.... decisions.... decisions

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mistone:

well for the price of a Ps3 you can get a wii and myth :P

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juski:

GreyFoxx: you around?

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Corey0808:

mistone: haha... I think I will get a Wii now and then finish my PVR around my B-Day in March

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juski:

I'm trying to investigate a bit of a weird problem on my network with ethereal & I'm wondering if mythtv's upnp has anything to do with it

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mistone:

juski: you got a 360?

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juski:

nope

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mistone:

mythtv 0.2 + 360 fucks up my whole network, but apperently you gotta upgrade to the SVN to get the fix

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juski:

ethereal is seeing loads of malformed FC packets

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DVBMark:

I have a 360 and haven't had issues well YET heh

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DVBMark:

but then again I am running SVN heh

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mistone:

yea tahts why :P

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mistone:

I need to upgrade

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mistone:

I guess

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DVBMark:

heh didn't see that part of ur message till after I said the above lol

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mistone:

:D

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mistone:

is there a ubuntu deb that keeps up with the SVN ?

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DVBMark:

doubt any package keeps up fully with svn, prob revisions back

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DVBMark:

since svn changes so much

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DVBMark:

gonna have to checkout mythgames heh, prob works best with a joystick of somekind

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Paladine:

there are several that do daily builds though

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Paladine:

or more than daily

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DVBMark:

that's cool

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Paladine:

depending on updates

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DVBMark:

daily would be plenty one would think

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Paladine:

quinns repo for compiz used to get updated multiple times a day most days

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mistone:

sometime sthey got scripts

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mistone:

that compile it for them

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mistone:

like I know they do that for beryl

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DVBMark:

you can easily make your own, just to grab the latest and compile and such.

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DVBMark:

pretty much what I do

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DVBMark:

but don't update daily

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mistone:

yea but I want to use packages

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DVBMark:

prob every few days but just started playing recently

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DVBMark:

use checkinstall

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mistone:

whatever

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Paladine:

build your own package from the svn checkout

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Paladine:

then install the package

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DVBMark:

make your own

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mistone:

maybe I will do that I don't even know how to do that

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Paladine:

you could even write a script to do it daily

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DVBMark:

apt-get install checkinstall and check it out, will let you create your own packages pretty easy

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mistone:

but whatever I will just wait I don't have xbox live I just keep it unplugged and everything works right now I dn't wanna fuck with it

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DVBMark:

lol

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Paladine:

you could setup your own private repo and add it to your sources list

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mistone:

lol that would be way to much work

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Paladine:

then run cron scripts to build all your packages daily from svn

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mistone:

wow, no thanks lol

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mistone:

I actually have a server tho :p

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Paladine:

that way the auto update notification in gnome would work

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Paladine:

it would tell you when you packages are built and ready

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mistone:

but yes I could do that but thats way to much work

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Paladine:

probably not uber work

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Paladine:

maybe half a day tops to research and setup

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Paladine:

I may even do it myself if I decide to go feisty instead of edgy on this box

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fathom:

can someone help me out with my pchdtv 3000? when i'm running azap, any channel that i have in my channels.conf can't seem to keep a solid enough lock to watch in mplayer.

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juski:

fathom: prolly an antenna / signal strength / interference issue

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fathom:

i'm using QAM with my cable provider.

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fathom:

not OTA

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juski:

still prolly a signal strength / quality issue

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fathom:

any proposed idea how i might fix that?

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juski:

well, first of all how many ways is your cable split?

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fathom:

not many, but i could probably narrow it down to 1 or 2

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fathom:

i'll give that a try first.

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juski:

depending on what the cable engineer set the attenuation to at the street end of the cable... that'll determine your overall signal level I'd have thought

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Rhiliam:

does anyone know if there are issues compiling mythplugins-0.20a with gcc 3.4.6

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Rhiliam:

make stops in mythmusic with a token error.

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Rhiliam:

Specifically -> playlist.cpp:918: error: expected initializer before '<' token

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fathom:

well i do have a booster.

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fathom:

i could hook that up.

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schtinky:

I think one of the mythtv wiki documents is a little old. I'm trying to find where I force myth to use mplayer or xine but it tells me to go to a location that doesn't exist in the configuration area. Can someone point me in the right direction... I can't find it

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juski:

utils / setup > setup > media > videos > player

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juski:

you can't make it change the player it uses to play recordings or livetv though

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Dr_willis:

Hmm.. Trying to watch a lot of video files ive downloade/collected. some how "Watch Videos" is showing all 1000+ of them as if they were all in the same dir.. I had it as more of a 'file manager' type layout with each video grop in its own dirs.. but tha was on a different install.

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Dr_willis:

anyone recall what setting makes it more of a 'file manager' layout?

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