Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, December 20th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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jblack:

Can someone tell me if special antennas are needed to receive hdtv?

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usa11usa:

OK this is the first time i looked at this. I just have ove question befor i start to build this.

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usa11usa:

does this work like this from cable box to mythtv server back to TV

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usa11usa:

this is all displayed back to the tv?

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usa11usa:

or do i have to sit at the pc

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jblack:

from cablebox to mythtv backend, to mythtv frontend, to tv, if you se things up right.

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jblack:

It helps if your video card has an svideo ouput.

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usa11usa:

i see

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usa11usa:

so you are using this

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kormoc:

Aye, you need a irblaster or some other way to control the cable box, but yes, it works

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usa11usa:

cool i cant wait to get started

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usa11usa:

was it easy to setup

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usa11usa:

or was it buggy

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kormoc:

It was for me, but I'm fairly good at linux and mysql, and picked out good hardware to start with

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kormoc:

A lot of people struggle with mysql, and hardware

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usa11usa:

i dont have a problem with linux

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usa11usa:

but what card do you use

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usa11usa:

hardware setup

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kormoc:

I use a m179, which is a rebranded pvr 250

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kormoc:

I'd recommend a pvr 150 now tho

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usa11usa:

any reason why

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kormoc:

best bang for the buck

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usa11usa:

cool

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BULLE:

i realy dont see why they still sell 250 to be honest

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BULLE:

guess they manufactured LOTS of them

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kormoc:

yeah

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usa11usa:

just looked fast it only cost 79.00

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usa11usa:

what type of pc does everyone use

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usa11usa:

cpu speed

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usa11usa:

mem

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Pryon:

2.2GHz 1GB

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Pryon:

That's overkill, though

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kormoc:

usa11usa, 2.13 ghz celeron, 256 megs of ram. cpu speed is fine, I'd double the memory tho

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Pryon:

The disk controller works harder than the CPU even when I'm recording two sources simultaneously (two PVR-150s)

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Zider:

celeron 2,6GHz, 512MB RAM here

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Pryon:

My main concern would be disk space, RAM, and chipset. Avoid VIA if you can.

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kormoc:

usa11usa, also depends on if you want to handle HDTV or not

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Zider:

Pryon: why avoid via?

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kormoc:

Via's had some fun issues in the past, esp with the pvr 500

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Zider:

ah

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usa11usa:

disk space for me is not a problem i have 2 TB storage

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usa11usa:

VIA is all i have so will have to make thta work

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Zider:

too much.. givesometo me.. ;P

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Pryon:

DMA problems

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usa11usa:

i backup all my dvds to the HD and watch them from my tivo.

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Pryon:

Usually only when I load the disks while recording, though.

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usa11usa:

but want to try something new

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kormoc:

you can watch those dvd's via myth's mythvideo plugin as well

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usa11usa:

that will be real cool. but they are all in the tivo format

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usa11usa:

myhtv will play the TY format

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kormoc:

well, myth can use ISO's so if they're iso's, they're fine, else, yeah, you might be SOL

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cureless:

does anybody use software RAID 1? How does it perform?

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usa11usa:

well i could just reencode them

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kormoc:

cureless, works fine

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cureless:

kormoc: I'm looking for performance numbers, compared to JBOD and RAID-0.

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cureless:

I can't seem to find good (and/or recent) comparisons.

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kormoc:

that's cause there really isn't any

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kormoc:

JBOD depends on a ton of factors that dont' affect raid-1, same in reverse

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cureless:

Somehow, even hardware raid 1 comparisons I read seem to show raid-1 performing bad on reads.

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kormoc:

raid-1 will only perform as well as a single drive will on a read

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cureless:

not true

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cureless:

theoretically it should be as fast as raid-0

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kormoc:

heh, not entirely

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kormoc:

it needs to read both drives at the same time to verify the data

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cureless:

single driver performance is the top for writes.

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kormoc:

it can't just assume the drive will read correctly

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cureless:

why not?

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cureless:

it's not like reading 2 things will solve anything when an error occurs.

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kormoc:

sure it does

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cureless:

either way it'll be an error.

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kormoc:

if both drives don't match, there's an error

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kormoc:

if you only read one, you can't check to make sure it matches on the other

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cureless:

correct, but it doesn't solve much.

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kormoc:

sure it does

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kormoc:

if smart always worked, you wouldn't need to do that extra checking, but smart isn't perfect

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cureless:

that is correct.

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kormoc:

esp when handling on a dead drive

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cureless:

in which case you had a dead drive

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kormoc:

or a damnaged drive

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cureless:

in RAID-1 the idea is that if a drive dies you can continue working

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kormoc:

yes

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cureless:

not that the whole thing will fail "cause it can't check"

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kormoc:

and how do you detect a dead drive?

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scopeuk:

strange grindy noise eminating from the case

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kormoc:

computers don't have ears

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kormoc:

:P

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scopeuk:

users and adins do

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scopeuk:

well most of them

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cureless:

(one sec, phone)

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Zider:

kinda hard to har which of the drives that is making grinding noises

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Zider:

hear

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scopeuk:

normally the oens thats also warm and vibratign more

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cureless:

ok, continuing with my rant,

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cureless:

if a drive fails in a RAID-5 the system doesn't stop, it just returns the answer.

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cureless:

the same thing should happen with RAID-1.

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Zider:

isn't raid1 striping?

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scopeuk:

your average raid one controler isent as well designed a your average raid 5

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Zider:

or is it mirroring..?

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cureless:

Zider: that's raid 0

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Zider:

ah

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scopeuk:

0 is stripin 1 is mirroring isent it

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Zider:

got them confused :)

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scopeuk:

easy done

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scopeuk:

make that v.easy done

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cureless:

scopeuk: that I agree with. But when talking about software raid it is a different beast.

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Zider:

:)

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scopeuk:

i mean raid 0 is so descriptive :-S

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Zider:

well, just use SMART to get warnings about a drive failure

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cureless:

and I've seen crappy raid-1 results being reported from raid-5-capabale controllers too :-)

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slowone:

buy a decent hardware raid controler that supports proper snmp monitoring and pageing upon a drive failer?

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jblack:

Ok. I've mostly got hdtv broadcast working. However, I have two different types of tuners.

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jblack:

an old ntsc and a hdtv one.

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juski:

re

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jblack:

The problem is that the hdtv tuner is sometimes trying to do ntsc, and the ntsc is sometimes trying to do ntsc

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juski:

can't fsking sleep

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jblack:

poor juski. :(

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juski:

jblack: you mean they're swapping over sometimes?

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fryfrog:

jblack: are you using the same lineup for both?

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jblack:

Yeah, yes.

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fryfrog:

right, or that?

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juski:

which?

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fryfrog:

sorry, which is it?

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juski:

anyone in the UK catch some news about the sale of the old analogue TV spectrum today?

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jblack:

Yes to both. They're swapping over, they are both using the same lineup

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jblack:

I tried setting two different lineups at zap2it, but it told me I already had a broadcast lineup

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juski:

jblack: when you reboot they swap, or just randomly?

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fryfrog:

okay, first i think you need to use 2 line ups

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fryfrog:

second, if their *devices* are swapping, that could be the problem too

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fryfrog:

ie, at one time they are video0 and video1, then they swap?

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jblack:

Ohh! It let me make a second one this time. :)

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jblack:

I bet this will fix everything

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fryfrog:

well, your devices *could* still be physically swapping places kind of

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fryfrog:

ie, one time your atsc tuner is /dev/video0

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fryfrog:

another, the ntsc one is /dev/video0

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jblack:

No, video0 is video0, and dvb0 is dvb0. THe problem that if I switch from 441 to 44, instead of switching to using video0, it tries to stay doing it with dvb

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fryfrog:

and that can cause problems

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fryfrog:

OHHH

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fryfrog:

gotcha

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fryfrog:

then it is probably the line up :)

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jblack:

I think so.

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jblack:

Now zap2it is letting me make a second lineup

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jblack:

Yeah. It won't let me. It says "This provider is already listed"

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fryfrog:

can you pick another zip code maybe?

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fryfrog:

or... use a different type of line up?

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jblack:

Maybe. /me tries an off by one

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fryfrog:

on mine, i am using cable only

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fryfrog:

for HD, i use a "broadcast" line up

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fryfrog:

and for my firewire, i use a "cable" lineup

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fryfrog:

but if you are doing OTA *only* you might only have broadcast listed?

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jblack:

That works

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fryfrog:

now the question is, does it fix it? :)

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jblack:

fiddlng with the zipcode will give me two listings

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jblack:

I hope so. I need to fix my first lineup to take out all the hdtvs

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jblack:

Ok. mythtv-setup here I come

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juski:

nobody in the UK heard the news? it's bad. very bad. they're gonna sell off the old analogue frequencies to the highest bidders! :( (duh, didn't see that one coming).

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Zider:

I'll buy them and GPL them ;)

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Zider:

open source frequencies ;)

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scopeuk:

juski wasett that always the plan

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juski:

oh wait it's not actually a foregone conclusion

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juski:

looking on the ofcom webshite now

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fryfrog:

jblack: you should remove the HD channels from your *zap2it* listing

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fryfrog:

then just mythfilldatabase to remove them from your system, i believe

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fryfrog:

maybe with an --option

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juski:

hmm this might be worth a mailing list post, and maybe a campaign

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jblack:

I have two tunes. a ntsc tuner, and a brand new spiffy hdtv broadcast one too.

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fryfrog:

whats wrong with it juski ?

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jblack:

I'm workign on the two lineup thing

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fryfrog:

jblack: right, you need one line up to be the HD channels only

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fryfrog:

and the other to be SD only

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fryfrog:

but it needs to be in the line up

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fryfrog:

don't just go nuking channels from myth with mythsetup, they'll probably just re-appear when you do a listings update

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juski:

"High definition television, by contrast, was not identified in our research as a major source of broader value to society. A bigger choice of channels was rated more highly, for both citizen and consumer interests, and HD was seen mainly as a premium consumer product, similar to mobile television" :-((

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fryfrog:

But they can pack 3 or 4 SD channels into an "HD" channel still

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juski:

bah I want my h.264 18mbit HDTV

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juski:

freeview is already chock full of shite

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fryfrog:

so if the market wants more channels, then they can do it?

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fryfrog:

ah, and of course what i know of UK telly can fit in my belly button

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fryfrog:

dr. who, monty python... there, all full

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fryfrog:

oh yeah, ab fab

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juski:

there are about 4 shopping channels, 2 or 3 'quiz' channels, all-day same song repeat music channels

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juski:

we don't need MORE channels, we need _better_

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Zider:

so true

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fryfrog:

ah

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juski:

ah fuck it. if it goes down the more channel route & we end up with even worse quality (technical & artistic) TV, I'll just do the sensible thing

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fryfrog:

you have shopping channels broacast *OTA*??

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juski:

yeah

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fryfrog:

jesus

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juski:

24/7

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Zider:

one thing that really pisses me off is thatevery time there's some sport thing going on (olympica or whatever) it's shown on EVERY BLOODY CHANNEL!

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jblack:

Cool. I caused a programmer error. :)

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fryfrog:

i thought they only did that on cable where they had so many channels to fill that they were just grasping for straws :/

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juski:

and the quiz channels are like this, 24/7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVTuDyzmDdg

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juski:

jesus. the old VCR channel (36) is gonna be released aswell

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juski:

hahaha. buy a new VCR grandma!

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Dagmar:

I prefer the old "random cellular traffic"

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Dagmar:

I prefer the old "random cellular traffic" channel

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juski:

I still think this calls for a ml posting. this is gonna pass so many people by without them even knowing they had a chance to voice an opinion on it

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dansmith:

I'm having some weird issue with one of my frontends:

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fryfrog:

what is a vcr channel?

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scopeuk:

the chanel you tune a tv to to view the output ofthe vcr

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dansmith:

occasionally I get into this mode where when I hit ok on program guide, the menu just goes away and the guide never shows

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fryfrog:

why would they have a *dedicated* channel for it?

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scopeuk:

to make life easy when yourtuning tvs

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dansmith:

then when I exit live tv, it just hangs at a black screen. and the LCD shows that it's still watching live tv

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jams:

fryfrog- it's the US equivlent of 3 or 4

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fryfrog:

i mean, here in the US most vcrs use 3 or 4, which typically carry content on cable at least

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juski:

channel 36 used to be the default RF output channel for VCRs :)

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fryfrog:

is there no 3/4 ota broadcasts in the us?

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scopeuk:

our cable system alwasy uses an stb its never i nthe set

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jblack:

ok. lets test this

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juski:

god, writing a really serious ML posting is hard

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fryfrog:

ours can use stb too, but channels 3 and 4 can still use content

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fryfrog:

er, have

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fryfrog:

its just that the vcr/stb doesn't usually let anything by it

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scopeuk:

vcr normally passes everything

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fryfrog:

ah

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scopeuk:

jsut adds its own signal o na different channel

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scopeuk:

dont knwo if thats the same in the us

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fryfrog:

when on and playing a tape (or being used as a tuner), the ones in the US will over ride the channel they are on

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fryfrog:

though maybe not *other* channels

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scopeuk:

a vcr in the uk only take over via scart

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Dagmar:

Of course.

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fryfrog:

ahhh, i see

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Dagmar:

Otherwise the picture gets all crazy.

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scopeuk:

its still passes everyhting normally though on the rf socket

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fryfrog:

so they need a dedicated channel in the uk

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fryfrog:

interesting :)

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Dagmar:

Bad british engineering

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fryfrog:

i was thinking the vcr channel was like nick-at-night or something

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scopeuk:

you can change the channel the vcr is on by doctorigna pot normally

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fryfrog:

playing old re-runs or something

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jblack:

WOOT!

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fryfrog:

works jblack ?

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jblack:

If #mythtv-users were a woman, I'd marry it

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fryfrog:

awsome :)

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kormoc:

scopeuk, by 'doctoring' enough pot, anything is fine :P

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** scopeuk doesent knwo weather to laugh or cry **

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fryfrog:

IRC: where the men are men... and so are most of the women :)

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scopeuk:

kormoc for once im goign to play inocent and prettend i dident see that comming

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Dagmar:

...and the children are police.

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scopeuk:

and htere also men

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fryfrog:

ahaha

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fryfrog:

i'll have to add that :)

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Dagmar:

Add what?

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scopeuk:

your line at a guess

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fryfrog:

20:23 < Dagmar> ...and the children are police.

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** Dagmar checks his calendar... still 2006. **

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Dagmar:

You guys are Canadian or something, right?

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** scopeuk looks aroudn the flloor hoplessly for his calandar **

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kormoc:

scopeuk is rather UKish I believe

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scopeuk:

just a tad

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fryfrog:

IRC: Where the men are men... and so are most of the women... and the 14 year old girl asking you to come over to her house to have sex is teh police. :)

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jblack:

how do I get signal strength? I need to tune my antenna

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scopeuk:

scopeeng is kinda nasty althgouh appropriate in more than one way

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jblack:

btw, you guys, as always, rock

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Dagmar:

The phrase "IRC: Where the men are men, the women are men, and the children are police" has been around for about ten years now

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Dagmar:

I figure it would be just breaking in Ottowa right about now

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scopeuk:

isent it "IRC: Where the men are men, the women are men, and the children are police and there also men"

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LLyric:

It appears that when I set mythtv to transcode after recording, it just segfaults. So does mythfilldatabase, occasionally (maybe once a week). Any idea how I would dignose this issue?

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Dagmar:

scopeuk: No, because ten years ago, grammar actually meant something on IRC. ;)

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scopeuk:

true

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scopeuk:

my gramar is almost as bad as my spelling and typing

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jblack:

Ahhh. The blue screen isn't the tuner. Its my client. "NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times." over and over.

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juski:

posted!

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sandeen:

Unable to connect to the master backend at 10.0.0.55:6543.

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sandeen:

Is it running?

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sandeen:

grr yes it is

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juski:

http://mythtvguy.wordpress.com/2006/12/20/the-digital-dividend/

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** sandeen weeps, and the tears flood his mythbox motherboard and fries it **

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sandeen:

fry.

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juski:

if a user cries and nobody cares, does it make any difference? ;)

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Zider:

juski: no

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savageone-:

nope

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** scopeuk reads the post and repeatedly bangs his head on the desk untill all memory of it is gone **

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juski:

scopeuk: why?

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scopeuk:

skipping hd to rip more cash from the spectrum adn cram more crap at us woudl be awfull

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pelandrit:

hi everybody

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scopeuk:

hi

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savageone-:

man george carlin is fucking hilarious

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savageone-:

period

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juski:

yeah it will. but if everybody sits on their hands doing nothing while the consultation expires, it'll be worse

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Zider:

savageone-: indeed :D

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scopeuk:

and joe barbera died which is awfull that guy was a legioned

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scopeuk:

apologies to any one younger than me who doesent know how he was

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scopeuk:

ok i should sleap my typing jsut got worse real quick

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pelandrit:

i just need to know if the mythtv plugin "MythWeb" allows to control a dvb-t card so i can swtich channels and see it in a remote machine

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juski:

pelandrit: no, it won't

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pelandrit:

juski: :(

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juski:

scopeuk: yeah the guy was a legend, true

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juski:

Mike Dickin died yesterday too..

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pelandrit:

juski: do you know something that can do it?

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juski:

pelandrit: no I don't

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juski:

but I think I remember reading something about knoppmyth having an extension to mythstreamtv which will do livetv over an internet connection

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juski:

and a while ago some joker got dugg (www.digg.com – pleh!) about doing streaming to his mobile phone with mythtv

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pelandrit:

juski: well, i'm thinking in lan connection, just for have only 1 dvb-t decoder at home but can see the signal in various places

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Agrajag-:

i wrote a patch a while back for mythweb

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juski:

ah, well – you can run mythtv on several machines, with just one tuner card

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Agrajag-:

which allowed you to use the telnet interface thingy to send keys

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Agrajag-:

that would do what you wanted

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kormoc:

Agrajag-, did you ever submit it?

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sandeen:

user: 500 effective user: 500 run_priv_thread

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Paladine:

pelandrit, use multiple frontends

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Agrajag-:

kormoc: yeah

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sandeen:

i guess that's why the rt isn't working :/

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Paladine:

if it is on the same LAN

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juski:

Agrajag-: want remote button graphics for it?

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Agrajag-:

kormoc: let me find the ticket

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Agrajag-:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1146 mine is the mythfrontend.diff

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Agrajag-:

as you can see it's against quite an old svn version

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kormoc:

yeah

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pelandrit:

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juski:

pelandrit: mythtv is a client/server system

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juski:

the frontend is the client ;)

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juski:

frontend & backend can live on the same machine, or any number of different machines

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pelandrit:

juski: well, that means i can run the frontend in a remote machine?

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juski:

(within reason)

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juski:

yeah

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juski:

but only on linux or OS X

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pelandrit:

juski: any documentation about that?

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juski:

plenty

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juski:

www.mythtv.org for starters

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pelandrit:

gonna seek it

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juski:

the backend(s) has the tuner card(s), and the frontend(s) play the content which gets streamed from the backend(s). the frontend(s) also work as the user interface to schedule recordings & do lots of other stuff

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Paladine:

I presume the frontends will even work over a vpn if the connection is fast enough

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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juski:

or use mythstreamtv if it's not fast enough :)

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juski:

Paladine: if you care a damn about what happens to the old analogue freqs when the digital switchover takes place... http://mythtvguy.wordpress.com/

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Paladine:

for me to stream successfully over vpn, I would need about 6Mbit upload on my localmachine (and equiv or higher on the remote frontend for download speed)

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Paladine:

juski, I have been on digital tv since 2002 so I am not overly bothered :)

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jblack:

Think the devs would be interested in "X Error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) ## ?

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juski:

Paladine: so you'd not be bothered if we also never get free to air HDTV?

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sandeen:

ok that whole priv-dropping business doesn't seem to be working FWIW

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Paladine:

there is already free to air hdtv

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Paladine:

bbc are running trials with as we speak

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juski:

Paladine: in London. and it's just a trial

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juski:

they're not guaranteed to get RF spectrum to roll it out across the UK

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juski:

that's my point

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woodwizzle:

w00t got lirc working with my hauppauge remote AND my universal remote is able to emulate it perfectly!! =)

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Paladine:

yeah but no need to be pessimistic, at the end of the day they will probably get the go ahead

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juski:

well done that man woodwizzle

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juski:

Paladine: I'm just thinking of the 3G spectrum sell-off

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scopeuk:

Paladine by how the gov screws us over given 1/2 a chance there is need

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sandeen:

juski, they know what's best for you :)

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Paladine:

its bbc

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juski:

that turned into a feskin pharse

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woodwizzle:

juski, This is the first version of mythtv I've ever gotten it to work with

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Paladine:

they pretty much always get what they want

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scopeuk:

paladin not even close

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juski:

that's changing fast

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Paladine:

and once bbc have a spectrum, other providers will have to be given access or the bbc become a government endorsed monopoly

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juski:

there's no point assuming everything'll be alright

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juski:

not with this government

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juski:

certainly not with OFCOM

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Paladine:

it is unlikely to be with this government

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scopeuk:

britsh govent ment is a pupet show to make the generla populace feel they havea voice

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Paladine:

it is probably there will be an election in the next 18 months

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Paladine:

don't you read the news :0

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Paladine:

:p

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scopeuk:

in turth this country is ran entirely o nthe whim of big buissness and the rest of us jsut have to take it

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scopeuk:

make no diference who is in power

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juski:

ah well. have fun watching low-def clips on your mobile phone in 2010 then

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juski:

:)

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scopeuk:

the bgi change was talked about when the current party came in

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Paladine:

I won't be watching clips on my mobile

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scopeuk:

but sod all change happened

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Paladine:

my mobile is phoning people

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Paladine:

and instead of sitting in here complaining about it, why not do something about it?

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scopeuk:

becvouse its 2:15 am

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Paladine:

I have enough battles going on at the moment without taking on another

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juski:

I've gave OFCOM my 2p worth, fwiw

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scopeuk:

and short of the stuff thats already doneoffices arnt open to complain at

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Paladine:

writing to ofcom will achieve absolutely nothing

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juski:

.. apart from actually razing buildings to the ground that is, scopeuk

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Paladine:

writing to the information commissioner or to your MP is the way to go

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juski:

my MP? dont make me laugh

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scopeuk:

juski dont tempt me

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juski:

he came to my house one day

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scopeuk:

only contact was a (semi) promotional birthday card i got from him

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juski:

nice bloke. but very fat

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Inssomniak:

is there any way to "delete" input connections?

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scopeuk:

read they have access to all my detaisl and will let any one have them to advertise the party

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scopeuk:

Inssomniak in myth or system wide?

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Inssomniak:

scopeuk, in the mythtv-setup

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juski:

cut the keyboard ca...

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Paladine:

juski, I sent a letter to my MP just today about the problem of congested virtual paths in BT exchanges not being upgraded on schedule

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Paladine:

I cc'd a copy of it to the CEO of BT

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Paladine:

within 30 minutes the CEO of BT sent me back an personal email

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Paladine:

so writing to MPs can and does make a difference

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Paladine:

I am incredibly politically active, so telling me the public cant make a difference doesn't work, because I know from first hand experience that that they can

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juski:

I'm already disaffected

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scopeuk:

with our local mp id be luck to get an audience with him / persnolised letter if i were righting about unsanitery conditions in schools

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juski:

and grandma

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scopeuk:

Paladine depends on who you are where you live and whoes in power in your constituency

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juski:

whoops grammar

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juski:

plus Paladine your card is already marked.. they're watching you ;)

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Paladine:

scope, no it depends on how much noise you make

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Paladine:

I am very loud

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Paladine:

and I have contacts in international media and press to make me louder

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scopeuk:

our constiuency is an ex mining labour strong hold they rearly dont give a damn unless its craftign a new image

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juski:

so who do we see about banning quiztv?

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scopeuk:

juski thats a direct action aproch ;-)

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Paladine:

oh man those quiztv shows do my head in

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juski:

and shopping channels?

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Paladine:

they are so blatantly a robbery

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scopeuk:

Paladine so your with us ;-)?

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juski:

I think the only remedy is a national brain implant scheme

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Paladine:

how they can even sit there and pretend they are not fixed, just amazes me

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scopeuk:

personally i think removing a cupple of mux transponders fro memily more would get the job done

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scopeuk:

Paladine obvoisly it doesent some people

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Paladine:

I had a big row with my missus about them a couple of months back

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juski:

don't get me wrong I think it's hilarious that some folks are spending their life savings on em

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Paladine:

I walked into the lounge and she was sat watching on

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Paladine:

I did my nut

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Paladine:

told her I didn't want our son subjected to that shit

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scopeuk:

personally i think this country is about due a major consultancy on where the tv system should be heading

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scopeuk:

and i mean complete over haul no bets placed

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scopeuk:

but tis not gonan happen bcouse ofcom is to weak and the government dont care

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juski:

I was doing some work one night & 'the mint' came on. I couldn't be arsed to get up & change the channel & I found that even the music & prattle was gently hypnotising me

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Paladine:

dude who controls the media in the UK?

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Paladine:

thats right, our old friendRM

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scopeuk:

atm no one

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Paladine:

don't talk wet

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juski:

murdoch is slowly but surely getting more control now

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Paladine:

murdoch completely controls the media

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juski:

23% of ITV too

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scopeuk:

yeh its nasty

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juski:

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