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Monday, December 18th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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feld:

0.20_p11626 is the version im using

[00:00:16]

xris:

sounds like you have something misconfigured (permissions, audio device, etc)

[00:00:29]

feld:

no i'm running it in a window on my desktop

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feld:

and i can control the volume just fine with that user

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Cardoe:

Krazylegz: remove hotplug

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Cardoe:

Krazylegz: emerge --unmerge hotplug and then see why you need /etc/hotplug.d and remove it if you don't...

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Cardoe:

feld: wfm

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feld:

what?

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xris:

feld: that only answers one of the possible scenarios that I provided.

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Krazylegz:

Cardoe: Thanks. I'm updating world and udev right now.

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feld:

xris: i assure you the audio device is not misconfigured

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feld:

i've been running this desktop for a long time and i use audio apps all the time.

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feld:

sound works fine.

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xris:

feld: you have to configure the audio device from within mythtv.

[00:06:14]

feld:

uhm thats what i said i did

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feld:

in mythtv with oss and ALSA, with and without "internal audio controls" selected, it doesnt work

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xris:

ok. saying "I use other apps just fine" didn't seem to indicate that.

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xris:

anyway, that's the limit of my knowledge on the subject.

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feld:

k

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defnshow:

Hello gurus, I am hoping someone will be able to help me with my problem. I have been struggling with it all day and still can't get it fixed.

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defnshow:

When I run 'mythfilldatabase' I receive an SQL Syntax error re: the INSERT statement. I get this error over and over... probably over a thousand times.

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xris:

defnshow: and the error is.. ?

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defnshow:

DB Error (Inserting into dd_schedule):

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defnshow:

Query was:

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defnshow:

INSERT INTO dd_schedule (programid,stationid,scheduletime,duration,repeat,stereo,subtitled,hdtv,closecap tioned,tvrating,partnumber,parttotal,endtime) VALUES('EP0043973807','11993','2006-12–29T23:35:00','01:02:00',1,1,0,0,1,' TV-14',0,0,'2006-12–30T00:37:00');

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defnshow:

Driver error was [2/1064]:

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defnshow:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query

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defnshow:

Database error was:

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defnshow:

You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'repeat,stereo,subtitled,hdtv,closecaptioned,tvrating,partnumber,parttotal,endti m' at line 1

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defnshow:

and I see this error hundreds of times

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xris:

defnshow: sounds like maybe your db schema version isn't up to date

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xris:

or rather, thinks it is, but isn't.

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defnshow:

i have tried dropping the database in MySQL and letting mythtv recreate it when I enter the program...

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defnshow:

But I get the same error again. This is on a brand new install, just used apt-get to download mythtv and mysql

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Speedy2:

defnshow: You have to create the initial database by referencing mc.sql — did you do that?

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defnshow:

No that does not sound familiar... let me research and try that

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Speedy2:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html

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xris:

defnshow: mythtv will create the tables, but needs to have the db itself created by you first.

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BULLE:

damn, im getting what seems like semi-random lockups on my mythbox

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BULLE:

the semi randomness is that is ALWAYS locks, while im using the remote

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BULLE:

complete freeze – machine stops responding

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defnshow:

Where is the mc.sql file by default?

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BULLE:

anyone else experienced something similar ?

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BULLE:

defnshow: i guess it depends a bit on what packages you used

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BULLE:

defnshow: or built it yourself

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xris:

defnshow: docs directory from rpm.

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xris:

database/mc.sql in the source.

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Krazylegz:

Cardoe: Thanks, I got it fixed simply by upgrading to 103 udev.

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Krazylegz:

Now on to figuring out why this hard drive is so slow and won't let me enable DMA.

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defnshow:

I have run the mc.sql command and the database has been created

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defnshow:

Watching TV now works on MythTV, but, the mythfilldatabase program still gives thousands of SQL errors

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defnshow:

Any other suggestions?

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alsoconfused:

Anyone know why mythdvd freezes anytime i try to seek? It starts spewing audio buffer overflow errors. 0.20a, -fixes and -latest all do the same.

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Dr_willis:

Hmm.. watching a video.. and the soundtrack is not in english.. heh – cant seem to find a key on the remote that changes it..

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Dr_willis:

got a 5 yr old screaming at me.... :)

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alsoconfused:

defnshow: is the child screaming in english? ;^P

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alsoconfused:

sorry def, that was for dr willis

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Dr_willis:

Hes about to start screaming if i dont get my remote back.... heh

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Dr_willis:

he just changed to anotehr show.. :P silly kids.

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Dr_willis:

Hes only watched CARS 10 times today

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defnshow:

ha!

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Scopeuk:

Dr_willis surely that makes it bed time?

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Dr_willis:

Other video i got has jap/eng sound track – i think... :) now if i can figure the keys to change subtibles

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Dr_willis:

Hes so hyped up on icecream.. :)

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Dr_willis:

time to give him back to his parents.....

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Dr_willis:

:)

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Scopeuk:

ohh

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Scopeuk:

uncle?

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GreyFoxx:

Dr_willis: Mine loves cars, The Ant bully, finding nemo and Curious George

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GreyFoxx:

those are the top favourites

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Scopeuk:

finding nemo is good though

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Dr_willis:

He dont seem too interested in Howles Moving Castle...

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GreyFoxx:

thankyfully myth makes playing then easy as they are availabnle on all frontends around the house without me having to swap disks around :)

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Dr_willis:

Yep. I aint got other machines/front ends going yet.

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Scopeuk:

GreyFoxx thats a nice touch

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Paladine:

hey guys

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Inssomniak:

hi all, using X11 forwarding, Im trying to setup a capture card (DVB), but it looks at my local machine for cards, and not the backend that I ran mythtv-setup from

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Paladine:

you know if it is possible to create an LVG with drives containing data and retain their data?

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GreyFoxx:

Inssomniak: It can't do that

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GreyFoxx:

a forwarded session has no access to the hardware on your local machine

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GreyFoxx:

It's running on the other machine and merely displaying on your screen

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Inssomniak:

hmm, setup cant find the dvb card thats working

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abarbaccia_:

hey guys

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abarbaccia_:

what do you think is better? A master backend server or several smaller servers with one or two cap cards and a NAS drive for storage?

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abarbaccia_:

so backend/frontend combos or a large server

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crudpuppy:

so can anyone tell me what this 125 channels on the hauppauge mean as far as channel line ups....does that mean it can't go above channell 125?

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abarbaccia_:

crudpuppy: nothing

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crudpuppy:

huh

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abarbaccia_:

it means as a TV tuner you can't go higher than 125

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jams:

abarbaccia_- i prefer the larger masterbackend approach

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abarbaccia_:

but if you have channels above 125 you should just use svideo from your cable box

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abarbaccia_:

jams: why is that?

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crudpuppy:

ah ok, so then yes it can't tune anything higher the channel 125

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abarbaccia_:

crudpuppy: exactly. From experience though, use svideo if ur using a cable box

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crudpuppy:

if I want my full cable provided channels I'll have to use a cable box

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abarbaccia_:

so much better quality

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abarbaccia_:

uhh huh

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crudpuppy:

cool, thats what I thought just wanted to make sure

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crudpuppy:

thanks

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jams:

easy to manage, Also means the frontends can be turned off and not have to worry about wakeup issues

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defnshow:

Question – Creating libs/libmyth/mythconfig.h and libs/libmyth/mythconfig.mak

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defnshow:

libs/libmyth/mythconfig.h is unchanged

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defnshow:

./configure: line 3500: qmake: command not found

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defnshow:

Getting this when I am trying to ./configure a v .20

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Inssomniak:

Defend, I think you need to install QT

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defnshow:

Thank you...

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defnshow:

Ubuntu's package manager was installing v.18...

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defnshow:

Trying a manual install now and just encountering Noob issues ;-)

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Speedy2:

Grab the QT 3.3.6 source and do it manually.

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k-man:

a friend installed mythtv, and when he plays a DVD, it displays the DVD as though it is zoomed in, so only the top half of the dvd displays in the letterbox

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k-man:

any idea what could cause that?

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k-man:

using ati radeon tv-out

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Cardoe:

Krazylegz: cool

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Ravi1974:

What is the benifit of HDHomeRun vs PCI or USB cards?

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Paladine:

so whats the best IR blaster to buy for linux then?

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Paladine:

I asked earlier but got no answer

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kormoc:

Paladine, there really isn't a 'best' one

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abarbaccia_:

guys i have a question with IDing HD channels

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abarbaccia_:

So i did the scan in mythtv-setup, but how do i get guide data to those channels?

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exobyte:

I installed mythtv. My video card seems to work right (it's a pvr-150). When I go to watch live TV, I see a blank screen for about 30 sec, then it returns to the menu. When I record a show, it shows up as a 1632 byte (always) file ending in .nuv

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kormoc:

exobyte, what version of mythtv?

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Dr_willis:

you sure you selected the right video card in the Mythtv-setup tool?

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exobyte:

kormoc: 0.20-svn20061209–0.1

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exobyte:

kormoc: I had the same problem with an older one

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exobyte:

Dr_willis: nope

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kormoc:

exobyte, you didn't. in mythtv 0.20+ a pvr when setup properly outputs .mpg files

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kormoc:

exobyte, so you need to run mythtv-seutp and set the card type correctly

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Dr_willis:

my 150 was bout the 3rd item on the card type entry field. :)

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crudpuppy:

what does the MCE mean on the pvr-x50s? can I use these?

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GreyFoxx:

means they are OEM versions, that's about it

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GreyFoxx:

they will work

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crudpuppy:

cool

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crudpuppy:

thats kinda what I thought

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Dr_willis:

I though the MCE came with that MS remote.

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exobyte:

kormoc: oh. I have an mpeg2 encoder card

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Dr_willis:

I found the 150 with Hauppage remote $90 – $50 in rebates this weekend.

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kormoc:

exobyte, aye, which is why it should give a file ending in .mpg not .nuv

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crudpuppy:

Dr_willis: where?

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crudpuppy:

lol

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crudpuppy:

I need a coupla 150 or 250s

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Dr_willis:

CompUSA – i think the sale is till the end of Dec.

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kormoc:

crudpuppy, 250's are not worth it

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crudpuppy:

really

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Dr_willis:

I think it was Compusa

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Dr_willis:

I was looking for just a remote.. and found the cards on sale.

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crudpuppy:

kormoc why not? they have the hw encoder right?

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Dr_willis:

-20$ instant rebate. -$30 mail in rebate

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crudpuppy:

or decoder

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kormoc:

crudpuppy, sure, but an older version of it. they cost more and look worse

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crudpuppy:

look worse then the 150?

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crudpuppy:

you mean the recordings?

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kormoc:

crudpuppy, the 350 has the decoder, which is more limited then an nvidia card (and a nvidia card + 150 is cheaper then a 350)

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kormoc:

crudpuppy, aye

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GreyFoxx:

well the encoder chip is the same(same revision etc)

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GreyFoxx:

but the 150's have newer tuners

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kormoc:

ooh? fair nuff

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GreyFoxx:

which in theory can give cleaner signals

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GreyFoxx:

in fact one of my 250's is a "freestyle" which has the same encoder+decoder as a 350

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GreyFoxx:

IT jsut doesn't have a tvout port :)

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crudpuppy:

freestyle?

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GreyFoxx:

crudpuppy: Type, they are fairly rare

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GreyFoxx:

one of the original versions of the 250

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crudpuppy:

I was gonna make a few bids on ebay, was lookin at the 250s but now you guys make me lean towards a coupla 150s

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crudpuppy:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

flatronf701B:07.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416)

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GreyFoxx:

MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)

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GreyFoxx:

That's a regular 250

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GreyFoxx:

1:06.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC15 MPEG-2 Enc

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GreyFoxx:

oder (rev 01)

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GreyFoxx:

That's a freestyle

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GreyFoxx:

same chipset as the 350

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GreyFoxx:

crudpuppy: I love my 250's

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GreyFoxx:

but I've never tried them side by side with a 150

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jams:

i have one of those freestyle cards

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kormoc:

xris' 150 puts my m179 to shame

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jams:

fairly large when compared to newer models

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GreyFoxx:

the m179 were known for bad shielding though

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xris:

kormoc: which I don't have anymore. lent it to matthew. heh

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defnshow:

Yuck... I have installed the latest version, but, am still getting a SQL Insert Error

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levander:

I vaguely remember seeing something that said you need PCI 2.2 on your motherboard to use a Hauppage 500. Anybody remember if this is true or not?

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levander:

I have PCI 2.1 on my 440BX motherboard.

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crudpuppy:

Dr_willis: I don't see that deal on compusa's website, might be in store only, heck maybe even just your store

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crudpuppy:

lol

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crudpuppy:

I'll have to hit the local store up tomorrow

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defnshow:

Any suggestions on how to resolve this error in mythfilldatabase?

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defnshow:

DB Error (Inserting into dd_schedule):

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defnshow:

Query was:

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defnshow:

INSERT INTO dd_schedule (programid,stationid,scheduletime,duration,repeat,stereo,subtitled,hdtv,closecap tioned,tvrating,partnumber,parttotal,endtime) VALUES('EP5926160078','11993','2006-12–22T21:00:00','01:00:00',1,1,0,0,1,' TV-14',0,0,'2006-12–22T22:00:00');

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defnshow:

Driver error was [2/1064]:

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defnshow:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query

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defnshow:

Database error was:

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defnshow:

You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'repeat,stereo,subtitled,hdtv,closecaptioned,tvrating,partnumber,parttotal,endti m' at line 1

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levander:

defnshow: I'd try #mysql if no help here.

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kormoc:

defnshow, you sure it's the new version of myth?

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Anduin:

It isn't

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kormoc:

cause that bug was squashed 0.19.1 iirc

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defnshow:

Forgive this newb question, but, how can I determine the version number...

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kormoc:

--version I believe

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exobyte:

kormoc: new error. In the backend log: MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: Error getting codec params using old IVTV ioctl eno: Bad address (14)

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kormoc:

that I don't know, sorry

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levander:

The Hauppage web site says that with the 500 card, I need a "Pentium® IV processor 1.2GHz or faster for TV pause with full screen playback". I thought a Pentium III 550 was plenty for standard definition television?

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GreyFoxx:

lev

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defnshow:

Yuck, it says v 1.8... I am struggling over here. I initially attempted to install off of the package manager, which installed v 1.8, I used the package manager to uninstall and then attempted to install via the download on mythtv.org

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GreyFoxx:

: They are overestimating

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levander:

GreyFoxx: cool, thanks

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Honk^gone:

they're talking about windows :P

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defnshow:

Did I miss something?

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** Honk^gone hides **

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levander:

GreyFoxx: You don't know about the version of PCI I need on my motherboard to run a Hauppage 500 do you?

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defnshow:

How should I uninstall the original?

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Inssomniak:

So I configured the database to allow any machine to connect to it on the backend, and everything seems great, but I cant get a frontend to connect to it.. is there something else Im supposed to do?

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Inssomniak:

2006-12–17 21:19:47.624 Unable to connect to database!

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levander:

It sux the Hauppage 500 manual isn't on their web site.

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kormoc:

levander, 2.1 should do it fine

[02:07:10]

levander:

kormoc: Do you mind if I ask about source of knowledge? Hate to be picky, but I hate more to spend $400 if this stuff isn't going to work...

[02:07:44]

kormoc:

levander, no real source other then what seems to be passed on in here and what not, feel free to look elsewhere

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levander:

kormoc: I'm looking elsewhere, can't find nothing.

[02:08:41]

levander:

kormoc: But, thanks for encouraging my previous assumptions.

[02:08:45]

levander:

2.1 is probably fine.

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kormoc:

I had a p3 that had pci 2.0 and it wouldn't run my m179's, but pci 2.1 worked fine

[02:10:14]

levander:

Ah, I found it. It is the PCHDTV 5500 card that requires PCI 2.2.

[02:10:42]

levander:

But, this also sucks because now I'll never be able to upgrade this Pentium III 550 to be a backend myth box to serve OTA HDTV...

[02:11:08]

levander:

What is a m179?

[02:11:13]

GreyFoxx:

the 5500 isn';t the only game in town

[02:11:21]

GreyFoxx:

there are other cards out there than can do OTA HDTV

[02:11:28]

GreyFoxx:

like the dvico FUSION

[02:11:29]

** levander being picky again... **

[02:11:42]

kormoc:

levander, it's a pvr 250 that's been rebranded

[02:11:44]

levander:

GreyFoxx: do you know what PCI spec's you need for other OTA HDTV cards?

[02:11:52]

GreyFoxx:

nope

[02:12:00]

** levander :) **

[02:12:37]

jams:

the hdhomerun works pretty well, no pci slot required

[02:13:04]

GreyFoxx:

that too

[02:13:07]

levander:

Are the PCHDTV people ticked because Myth now supports more OTA HDTV cards? That was probably just about their whole business, selling those cards to myth people.

[02:13:40]

GreyFoxx:

Then they would be fairly stupid

[02:13:53]

GreyFoxx:

myth users are an overall small market

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levander:

GreyFoxx: They say on their web site that they sell mostly to Linux users. They've got a big Linux penguin on the front page.

[02:14:59]

GreyFoxx:

they originally (and maybe now?) only came out with linux drivers

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levander:

They're probably screwed. Time to make up a resume.

[02:16:38]

Paladine:

anyone know if it is safe to mix SATAI and SATAII drives in the same LVG?

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levander:

That sounds like a question you'd have better luck with in #ubuntu-server or #debian

[02:21:28]

Paladine:

?

[02:21:30]

crudpuppy:

or #gentoo ;-)

[02:21:32]

crudpuppy:

lol

[02:21:49]

Paladine:

I never realised lvm was distro specific

[02:21:59]

crudpuppy:

Paladine: he means its not really a myth question

[02:22:06]

crudpuppy:

its actually more a hw question then os

[02:22:08]

Paladine:

well a lot of people in here run lvm

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Speedy2:

Paladine: I don't think the type drive matters

[02:22:26]

Paladine:

so calling on the infinite wisdom and experience of this channel is a perfectly suitable solution

[02:22:39]

crudpuppy:

sure

[02:22:41]

crudpuppy:

:-)

[02:22:45]

crudpuppy:

just don't ask me

[02:22:46]

crudpuppy:

hehe

[02:23:20]

Paladine:

just curious cos the sataI drive I want is proving difficult to find

[02:23:27]

Paladine:

so i was thinking of getting the staII version

[02:23:31]

Paladine:

sataII

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crudpuppy:

I had to research recently just to find out if I could use the sataII drives on my sataI mb

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crudpuppy:

lol

[02:23:56]

Paladine:

but it will need to plug into an existing LVG of sataI drives

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xris:

Paladine: why would you get a sata 1 drive when sata 2 is that much better and generally no more expensive?

[02:24:27]

kormoc:

Paladine, there's no technical reason to keep LVM's accross the same drives

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Paladine:

xris, cos my other drives are SATAI so if there is a problem mixxing types in an LVG I can't get SATAII

[02:24:37]

Paladine:

hense my original question

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alsoconfused:

fwiw Paladine i have md's of mixed sata1 and sata2. i can't imagine why lvm would have a problem with it.

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kormoc:

Paladine, erm, there's no technical reason to keep the same interface across the same LVM

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xris:

Paladine: only major diff between 1 and 2 is that 2 is faster.

[02:26:04]

xris:

it's like ata 66 vs ata 100

[02:26:07]

Paladine:

yeah I know

[02:26:12]

Cardoe:

new mythtv ebuild coming very shortly.

[02:26:24]

kormoc:

Mornin' Cardoe

[02:26:28]

Cardoe:

hey kormoc

[02:26:31]

Cardoe:

how ya doing?

[02:26:33]

Cardoe:

been a while.

[02:26:48]

kormoc:

Doin' well, doin' quite well. Indeed, how have you been?

[02:26:49]

Cardoe:

xris: I swear... you work kormoc too hard.. he can't tell time anymore.

[02:27:24]

kormoc:

It's morning *somewhere* :P

[02:27:24]

xris:

Cardoe: he doesn't work for me anymore.

[02:27:36]

xris:

and he's ALWAYS been bad at telling time like that. :)

[02:30:34]

Cardoe:

kormoc: doing alright. Been really busy.

[02:30:40]

Cardoe:

Couldn't put up with xris anymore huh.

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** kormoc laughs **

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xris:

Cardoe: he got promoted sideways.

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kormoc:

nah, I became a System Admin

[02:31:15]

kormoc:

sideways and slightly up,

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Cardoe:

well good job

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exobyte:

any idea what causes this error? 2006-12–17 18:30:30.552 RingBuf(/home/mythtv//1005_20061217182959.mpg) Error: Invalid file descriptor in 'safe_read()

[02:31:34]

xris:

Cardoe: but he *does* work too much.

[02:31:34]

Leebier:

has anyone tried using the 350 out for X on FC 6 yet? I'm trying ot use the same xorg.conf i had for FC 3–5 and it doesn't seem to be working, not sure if i'm doing something dumb or if something has changed

[02:31:45]

Cardoe:

doesn't surprise me

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xris:

exobyte: sounds like a corrupt file

[02:32:05]

exobyte:

xris: I'm trying to watch live tv

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Speedy2:

Hrm, none of the plugins are appearing in main menu, though everything compiled OK. MythPlugins put a lot of files in /share/mythtv which I recusively copied to MythTV's share folder, but still no go. Any suggestions?

[02:32:32]

Cardoe:

exobyte: out of HD space?

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kormoc:

Speedy2, recompile with the proper prefix option to ./configure?

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GreyFoxx:

Speedy2: Did you mix a packaged version of myth with source compiled plugins?

[02:33:20]

Speedy2:

kormoc: Theoretically, the right prefixes were put in :/

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exobyte:

Cardoe: nope

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kormoc:

Speedy2, if you used the right perfixes, you shouldn't have had to do any manual copying or similar

[02:34:13]

Cardoe:

kormoc: so here's the big issue I got.

[02:34:15]

Cardoe:

mytharchive

[02:34:24]

kormoc:

Hrm

[02:34:33]

Cardoe:

with the binary files changing in subversion

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Cardoe:

can't make a diff file for those

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** kormoc nods **

[02:35:15]

Cardoe:

have to overlay those files in

[02:35:20]

Cardoe:

and not install the others and delete the old ones

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Speedy2:

GreyFoxx: No, I compiled everything, no package mixing.

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** kormoc nods **

[02:36:29]

Cardoe:

so I gotta make a list or something and iterate through and delete those files

[02:36:52]

kormoc:

well, won't it work when it cleans up from the previous version?

[02:36:59]

kormoc:

and by work, I mean magically clean up?

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Cardoe:

no

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kormoc:

ooh?

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Cardoe:

I mean pre-compile

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kormoc:

ooh! right

[02:37:25]

kormoc:

hrm

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Cardoe:

cause if you download the mythplugins.tar.bz2

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Speedy2:

Ok. I just re-compiled the mythplugins and even with prefix pointing to my MythTV folder, it *creates* /share/mythtv and sticks everything in there...WTF?

[02:38:06]

Cardoe:

unpack it

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kormoc:

Speedy2, if you want, you can pastebin the output of your ./configure command

[02:38:46]

kormoc:

Cardoe, yeah... I see what you mean

[02:38:53]

Cardoe:

so yeah

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Speedy2:

kormoc: I can, but mythplugins just says what it will or won't compile, it doesn't do anything else

[02:41:46]

kormoc:

hrm, fair nuff

[02:41:56]

kormoc:

(brb, switching to dhcp)

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Inssomniak:

I get a lot of these messages in console, is this normal?: 2006-12–17 22:38:15.378 Error deleting '/LiveTV/1354_20061217223604.mpg.png': No such file or directory

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Leebier:

anyone have suggestions on a good walkthrough for controlling a digital STB with an IR blaster?

[02:46:30]

Leebier:

there's a great one for FC3 that managed to bork my FC5 system every time i tried it, am now using FC6 and figure there has to be something better out there

[02:47:44]

moh:

any clues as to why this Asus TV FM card I have gives video fine with xawtv, but gives horizontal lines and no rela picture in mythtv?

[02:47:58]

moh:

I looked in the archive, but I really don't even know what the problem is.

[02:48:48]

Speedy2:

So...any other suggestion on mythplugins?

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defnshow:

when running the make command of mythtv .20 I error out... This is the message: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm am I missing a dependency?

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moh:

defnshow: definitly. You're missing some library

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Speedy2:

defend: Install the x.org headers for your distro, that might help.

[02:51:16]

Speedy2:

Hrm, maybe not.

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exobyte:

stupid db is screwed up...

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Leebier:

no one here knows anything about configing a digitial box to play nice with lirc? :(

[02:52:08]

Paladine:

Speedy, you writing a new plugin?

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Speedy2:

Paladine: No, just trying to install mythplygins.

[02:52:23]

Paladine:

do a DV Capture Plugin

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Paladine:

oh ok, pfft

[02:52:58]

Paladine:

I use mythgallery, mythmusic, mytharchiver, mythphone and mythvideo

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Paladine:

can't think of any others off the top of my head

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Paladine:

but I may have more installed

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Speedy2:

I'm trying to set up the same. It compiles, I install it, but they don't show up.

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Paladine:

you looking in the write screen?

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Paladine:

they are in the Setup/Utilities on mine

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Paladine:

s/write/right

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Paladine:

you have restarted mfe right?

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Speedy2:

The only one that shows up is the archive.

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Paladine:

not sure if you have to restart mbe but I always do both just in case

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billvortex:

plugins are frontend specific, so the BE shouldn't matter

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Paladine:

billvortex, thats what I figured, but I always restart both regardless

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Paladine:

just in case one day things change on both :)

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Speedy2:

Ok. Is there a plug-ins folder created in the folder where mythtv is installed?

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Paladine:

I dunno, never had the need to check

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Paladine:

they installed and worked with zero problems on my system

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defnshow:

Speedy2: What are the x.org headers?

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Speedy2:

Will someone check for me?

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jams:

$prefix/lib/mythtv/plugins/

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jams:

Speedy2- that was for you

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Speedy2:

jams: Thanks tremendously

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Cardoe:

kormoc: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158258

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timtrimble:

anyone here know how to tell xorg to make the s-video screen the main and only screen?

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Speedy2:

timtrimble: What vidoe card?

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kormoc:

Cardoe, hrm. what's your take on it?

[03:05:23]

timtrimble:

nvidia geforce mx4000

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Cardoe:

kormoc: I think it's gonna be "maintain your own overlay"

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Speedy2:

timtrimble: Check the nvidia docs, there's an option in there

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** kormoc nods **

[03:06:47]

timtrimble:

i had it set up as a 2-monitor system

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Speedy2:

kormoc: Well, bizarely, I have to go into each plugin and to a make install to get it installed

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timtrimble:

it was working like that

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timtrimble:

i just dunno how to make it so it's just s-video

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Cardoe:

kormoc: you agree with it?

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timtrimble:

because i tried the logical way of doing it

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Speedy2:

kormoc: And each plug=in dumps it's .so in /mythtv/plugin , so I just copied it to the /lib/mythtv/plugin folder and they appear

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timtrimble:

which is making screen 0 "Screen[1]" (ID of s-video)

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kormoc:

Cardoe, not sure yet, I'm reading the link he said, wannt make sure I understand what it does

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timtrimble:

but that doesnt work for some reason

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Speedy2:

timtrimble: Did you check the nvidia options? They let you specifiy things like that

[03:08:12]

timtrimble:

no, i will, hold on

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kormoc:

Cardoe, brb, fixing some network issues

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timtrimble:

actually i have to go, but i will work on it some more later

[03:08:50]

timtrimble:

cya later

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Speedy2:

So far, I'm blown away by the MythTV UI

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Speedy2:

It's clean and beautiful

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Cardoe:

So maybe here's a dumb question... how come the config menus span off the left and right sides of my TV

[03:15:47]

Cardoe:

xris: you know?

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kormoc:

xris isn't home right now, he's out doing that 'social' thing

[03:16:23]

Cardoe:

loser

[03:16:24]

Cardoe:

;)

[03:16:48]

Cardoe:

Here's the other issue I've got

[03:16:51]

Cardoe:

my PVR-500...

[03:17:09]

Cardoe:

One side is used for S-Video input 16:9

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Cardoe:

and 1 is used for recording off the air... so 4:3

[03:17:22]

Cardoe:

should I set it to 16:9 ?

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

I thought myth auto-detected for playback

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Cardoe:

but the best fix would be to make the config menus not span off the left and right sides

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Cardoe:

kormoc: it's recording in 4:3 always

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Cardoe:

there's a choice to record in 4:3 or 16:9

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kormoc:

ahh, gotcha

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kormoc:

so wait

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kormoc:

your config menus don't autodetect the res correctly?

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jams:

that almost sounds like the gui is set to a size that exceeds the screen

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Cardoe:

mythtv-setup & any menu under "Setup" in MythFrontend span off the left and right sides of the screen

[03:20:13]

Cardoe:

every other screen is perfect

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jams:

are you using different sizes for video and gui?

[03:21:52]

Cardoe:

nope

[03:21:53]

Cardoe:

and there are parts of the gui that are the right side

[03:21:58]

Cardoe:

er size

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jams:

wonder if the fonts are doing that to you

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** Cardoe shrugs **

[03:22:06]

Cardoe:

kormoc: PVR-500 is MPEG-2 PS or TS?

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jams:

never seen it resize things horizontal before

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kormoc:

PS

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Cardoe:

16:9 looks fine to me

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Cardoe:

time to connect the pdHDTV

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Speedy2:

Do I have to create a new "input connection" per LNB, or is that only per provider?

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scott_:

what makes watching a recording while it's recording so buggy? I watch it while it records for 20 minutes, I pause watching it, then it fails recording 22 minutes into the 1 hour show.. nothing useful in my log files, is it my ext3 file system?

[03:36:55]

Speedy2:

Is DMA enabled?

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scott_:

hmm it should be, but let me check

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GreyFoxx:

scottder: I've never had a single problem watching an inprogress recording and I do it all the time

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GreyFoxx:

infact I'm doing it right now with Survivor

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Inssomniak:

prebuffering pause, causes studdering in video, what causes this?

[03:41:55]

Cardoe:

kormoc: I think mythtv-0.20_p12172 is gonna be the version to go stable.

[03:41:59]

Cardoe:

my fingers are crossed.

[03:42:10]

kormoc:

Cardoe, nifty

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scott_:

hmm I can't see if DMA is enabled, I have two disks in a raid-0 array

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kormoc:

Cardoe, and yeah, reading over the profiling stuff, it's quite rare

[03:42:45]

kormoc:

Cardoe, I'd agree on the personal tree part

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Cardoe:

yeah

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Cardoe:

kormoc: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythMusic

[03:48:38]

Cardoe:

Read the Gentoo section

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Cardoe:

Freaking wiki is worse then the Gentoo Wiki

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tracy_:

Cardoe: i hope mythtv-0.20_p12172 does.. busy trying gentoo/myth setup now. 2 days down and i have not even got the cards in yet

[03:50:05]

Inssomniak:

anyone know what causes a lot of prebuffering pauses?

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Cardoe:

tracy_: struggling a bit much?

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kormoc:

Cardoe, ha, christ...

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tracy_:

lol, doesnt every1 do that attepts gentoo

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kormoc:

not everyone :P

[03:51:07]

Cardoe:

I don't have problems.

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Cardoe:

I can install a Gentoo system faster then Fedora or Ubuntu at work

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Inssomniak:

my cpu usage is very low, 4%

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tracy_:

if u never used gentoo before

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Cardoe:

tracy_: just follow the install guide to the dot

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Cardoe:

add mysql to your USE flags in /etc/make.conf

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Cardoe:

and emerge mythtv

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tracy_:

Cardoe, never with the basics like apache, mysql, mod_php etc

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Cardoe:

if you use a pvr-150, 250, 350, 500... add ivtv to USE as well

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tracy_:

bummer i have pvr-150 and missed the ivtv to USE :(

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Cardoe:

tracy_: it's ok

[03:52:54]

Cardoe:

you'll only have to re-emerge mythtv

[03:53:01]

Cardoe:

seriously... where you stuck?

[03:53:38]

tracy_:

something not related to mythtv yet

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tracy_:

stuck with grub on a sata drive not working

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tracy_:

no error just a screen full of GRUB GRUB GRUB so i am working on that

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Cardoe:

got a boot partition that's 100mb or less?

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Cardoe:

as /dev/sda1?

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Cardoe:

or /dev/sdX1

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tracy_:

my /boot is on /dev/hdb size +32M, but /dev/sda is my XP boot drive that i wanted to grub-install

[03:56:04]

tracy_:

and allow dual boot... strange it works /dev/hda is my first boot drive

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tracy_:

but not when i swap to /dev/sda

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tracy_:

anyway, i'm still trying

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sandeen:

any suggestions for passthrough ac3 audio that drops out for about a second every 5–10 min or so.... :(

[04:04:24]

sandeen:

if it's not one thing it's another :)

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Inssomniak:

this is nuts, 2.66 ghz and I get nothing but a screenfull of prebuffering pauses on SD tv eith DVB no encoding at all

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sandeen:

xvmc?

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Inssomniak:

no just standard Xv

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sandeen:

i can barely play it w/o xvmc on same cpu

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Inssomniak:

play what? SD?

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defnshow:

Has anyone else encountered or overcome this?

[04:34:52]

defnshow:

../../libs/libavformat/libmythavformat-0.20.so: undefined reference to `voc_get_packet'

[04:34:53]

defnshow:

../../libs/libavformat/libmythavformat-0.20.so: undefined reference to `get_wav_header'

[04:34:53]

defnshow:

../../libs/libavformat/libmythavformat-0.20.so: undefined reference to `wav_codec_get_id'

[04:34:53]

defnshow:

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

[04:34:53]

defnshow:

make[2]: *** [mythtv] Error 1

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defnshow:

make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/eric/Desktop/Myth Tv/mythtv-0.20/programs/mythtv'

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defnshow:

make[1]: *** [sub-mythtv] Error 2

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defnshow:

make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/eric/Desktop/Myth Tv/mythtv-0.20/programs'

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defnshow:

make: *** [sub-programs] Error 2

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Inssomniak:

I can understand HDTV, but SD I cant see it being a load

[04:35:13]

opello:

defnshow: rafb.net/paste next time :)

[04:36:57]

sandeen:

Inssomniak, try running it w/ root prios, play w/ audio buffering options, different deinterlacers...

[04:37:18]

Inssomniak:

Im running it as root now

[04:37:21]

defnshow:

1

[04:37:21]

defnshow:

2

[04:37:21]

defnshow:

3

[04:37:21]

defnshow:

4

[04:37:21]

defnshow:

5

[04:37:22]

defnshow:

6

[04:37:24]

defnshow:

7

[04:37:26]

defnshow:

8

[04:37:28]

defnshow:

9

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Inssomniak:

no de-interlacer

[04:37:30]

defnshow:

10

[04:37:31]

Inssomniak:

?!

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defnshow:

11

[04:37:34]

defnshow:

[04:37:36]

defnshow:

make[2]: Entering directory `/home/eric/Desktop/Myth Tv/mythtv-0.20/programs/mythtv'

[04:37:38]

defnshow:

g++ -o mythtv main.o -L/usr/share/qt3/lib -L../../libs/libmyth -L../../libs/libmythtv -L../../libs/libavutil -L../../libs/libavcodec -L../../libs/libavformat -L../../libs/libmythfreemheg -L../../libs/libmythui -L../../libs/libmythupnp -L../../libs/libmythlivemedia -lmythtv-0.20 -lmythavformat-0.20 -lmythavutil-0.20 -lmythavcodec-0.20 -lmythfreemheg-0.20 -lmythupnp-0.20 -lmythlivemedia-0.20 -lmyth-0.20 -lmythui-0.20 -lfreet

[04:37:43]

defnshow:

ype -lmp3lame -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXinerama -lXv -lXxf86vm -lXrandr -lqt-mt -lGLU -lGL -lXmu -lXext -lX11 -lm -lpthread

[04:37:45]

kormoc:

defnshow, please don't do that again

[04:37:46]

defnshow:

../../libs/libavformat/libmythavformat-0.20.so: undefined reference to `voc_get_packet'

[04:37:48]

sandeen:

defnshow, stop that

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defnshow:

../../libs/libavformat/libmythavformat-0.20.so: undefined reference to `get_wav_header'

[04:37:51]

opello:

what about rafb.net/paste wasn't clear?

[04:37:52]

defnshow:

../../libs/libavformat/libmythavformat-0.20.so: undefined reference to `wav_codec_get_id'

[04:37:52]

opello:

heh

[04:37:54]

defnshow:

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

[04:37:56]

defnshow:

make[2]: *** [mythtv] Error 1

[04:37:58]

defnshow:

make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/eric/Desktop/Myth Tv/mythtv-0.20/programs/mythtv'

[04:38:00]

defnshow:

make[1]: *** [sub-mythtv] Error 2

[04:38:02]

defnshow:

make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/eric/Desktop/Myth Tv/mythtv-0.20/programs'

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defnshow:

make: *** [sub-programs] Error 2

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defnshow:

Opello, thanks

[04:38:07]

Inssomniak:

hello? !!

[04:38:17]

kormoc:

opello, well, he used it (hence the 1 – 11)

[04:38:24]

sandeen:

:D

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kormoc:

defnshow, you post the content to that page and post the link to the content here, not the actual content

[04:38:50]

opello:

kormoc: eh? i've never used the console program

[04:39:09]

opello:

oh, line numbers

[04:39:13]

opello:

hah :)

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Inssomniak:

anyone here have an example xorg.conf device section for nvidia?

[04:48:29]

defnshow:

Sorry group!

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Cardoe:

Inssomniak: what card?

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Cardoe:

defnshow: you give us the link to the rafb.net/paste page you created

[04:51:09]

sandeen:

hmmm where do you configure myth to actually do commercial skipping? I set it to just notify but now can't remember where

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Inssomniak:

Cardoe, nvidia 7300

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Inssomniak:

I have to have something seriously wrong

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** sandeen finds it **

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Inssomniak:

this isnt even watchable

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sandeen:

Inssomniak, ive been fighting for weeks to get it going FWIW :) I think i will break down & get a 3.0Ghz HT p4

[04:54:11]

Inssomniak:

sandeen, what are you trying to get going?

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Cardoe:

Inssomniak: http://pastebin.ca/283223

[04:55:32]

Inssomniak:

I dont think my problem is hardware, the backend is an amd64, the front end is a 2.66 ghz dual care, 100mbps link, and only watching standard definition TV, it is full of prebuffering pauses and studders badly on XV

[04:55:43]

sandeen:

Inssomniak, decent DVB playback

[04:55:58]

sandeen:

Inssomniak, what kind of audio are you using

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Inssomniak:

sandeen, right now its disabled, along with all deinterlacers

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sandeen:

hmm

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Inssomniak:

and my cpu is only 4% usage?!

[04:56:47]

sandeen:

oh one other thing I hit was cpu throttling, forgot that was turned on, not helpful :D

[04:57:03]

Inssomniak:

I never turned anything like that on

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sandeen:

so 4% usage and unwatchable video... weird

[04:57:18]

sandeen:

how about playing a dvd, does that work?

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Inssomniak:

no dvd player in front end

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Inssomniak:

I wouldnt go buy new hardware

[04:57:47]

Inssomniak:

its not gonna work

[04:58:00]

sandeen:

well, put another way, can you play back some known good mpeg2 file

[04:58:13]

sandeen:

or does this work ok on some other front end

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sandeen:

wondering if possibly your captured files are bad?

[04:59:06]

k-man:

what's a good dvb-t card to get in australia?

[04:59:09]

k-man:

anyone know?

[04:59:33]

k-man:

or which chipsets are most easily supported by the kernel?

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Paladine:

so any plugin developers alive at the moment

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sandeen:

k-man i'd look at linuxtv.org

[05:00:11]

k-man:

sandeen, ok...

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k-man:

what should i look for on there?

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sandeen:

k-man cards that are reported to work :)

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k-man:

ah, ok

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sandeen:

think I found my card there before I bought it

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sandeen:

but I'm not in .au

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robbins876:

Alright, so I have two user accounts on this box... one for me and one for my girlfriend. I just booted into my girlfriends after installing an SB Live audio card and it tells me that device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied)

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robbins876:

how do I fix that?

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k-man:

robbins876, add gf to audio group?

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robbins876:

how do i do that?

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Paladine:

which distro?

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k-man:

which distro?

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robbins876:

fedora core 6

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Paladine:

edit /etc/group

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k-man:

well... not sure of the exact group name

[05:02:15]

Paladine:

just don't typo

[05:02:20]

k-man:

but its probably audio

[05:02:21]

Inssomniak:

Cardoe you using composite for mythtv?

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sandeen:

fc6 uses udev to create /dev/dsp, changing the perms probably doesn't stick

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Paladine:

he doesn't change the permissions

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k-man:

or go "adduser gfloginname audio"

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Paladine:

he just needsto add his gf to the audio group

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Cardoe:

Inssomniak: DVI from my computer to HDMI

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sandeen:

*shrug* my fc6 box doesn't have /dev/dsp under an audio group

[05:03:21]

Inssomniak:

Option "Composite" "Enable"

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robbins876:

Paladine: What do I do in that file?

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sandeen:

in fact there is no audio group

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Inssomniak:

I thought that was very slow

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Paladine:

robbins, if you find the line with audio in it

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Cardoe:

Inssomniak: uh huh.. Xorg Compositing extension

[05:03:47]

Inssomniak:

Cardoe, how does that work?

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Inssomniak:

nice?

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Paladine:

and just add your g/f's login to the list of people in the group

[05:04:01]

Cardoe:

Inssomniak: that's just the config file from my desktop

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Cardoe:

that I added 1 line...

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robbins876:

there is no audio group

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robbins876:

sandeen: what do you recommend doing?

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sandeen:

robbins876, who does own /dev/dsp

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Inssomniak:

Cardoe, and you use that config for myth as well?

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** sandeen should know this better :D **

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Cardoe:

the allow the mouse to fail line

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Cardoe:

Inssomniak: yes

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robbins876:

sandeen: how do i find that out?

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sandeen:

robbins876, ls -l /dev/dsp

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Cardoe:

robbins876: ls -l /dev/dsp

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Paladine:

robbins876, for example, mine looks like this "audio:x:29:paladine,mythtv" if I wanted to add shelly user to the group i would make it look like this audio:x:29:paladine,mythtv,shelly

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robbins876:

crw------- 1 robbins876 root 14, 3 Dec 15 15:31 /dev/dsp

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Inssomniak:

Cardoe, what flags do you compile myth to use that?

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Cardoe:

robbins876: uh.. your box is f'd

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sandeen:

robbins876, are you also logged in?

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Paladine:

wtf is it doing in root group?

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robbins876:

yeah

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Cardoe:

Inssomniak: to use what?

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sandeen:

robbins876, I assume whoever got there first owns it

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Paladine:

thats a really dumb group to have /dev/dsp owned by

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Inssomniak:

Cardoe, no special ./configure opts for using that?

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robbins876:

sandeen: for sure that's the case

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Cardoe:

Paladine: root group doesn't matter since group has no permissions.

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Cardoe:

Inssomniak: no

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Paladine:

thats true

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Paladine:

but still stupid

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** sandeen looks for a udev rule **

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Cardoe:

crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Dec 2 13:02 /dev/sound/dsp

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Cardoe:

that's what it should look like

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Paladine:

and even if he chowns it to a more sensible owner and permissions, it will revert when he reboots

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sandeen:

depends on your distro and how it's set up I guess :)

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Cardoe:

sandeen: line 63ish of /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules

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Cardoe:

write a udev rule

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robbins876:

Cardoe: I have another user logged into the machine

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robbins876:

i'm on my girlfriend's account right now

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Cardoe:

robbins876: so?

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Cardoe:

if there's an audio group

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Cardoe:

and you're both part of it

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Cardoe:

it works

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robbins876:

I don't know how to add her to the audio group

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kormoc:

can anyone get to http://kormoc.homelinux.org/xorg.conf/

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kormoc:

?

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Paladine:

you have been given 2 methods of editing the group so far

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Paladine:

the manual way by me

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Paladine:

or the adduser way by someone else

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robbins876:

Paladine: your way didn't work because in that file there is no audio group

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sandeen:

robbins876, google fc6 dsp permissions

[05:09:15]

sandeen:

2nd hit or so, http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-desk . . . /000014.html

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Paladine:

robbins876, but the principles are the same, find the group and add the user to it, although in your case, it won't make any difference cos the group has no access to /dev/dsp

[05:10:29]

sandeen:

well there is no audio group on a default install IRIC

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sandeen:

IIRC

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sandeen:

pam_console assigns the perms

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Paladine:

sandeen, that link is perfect :)

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fran1:

kormoc – can't hit it from here

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sandeen:

he may still need to make an audio group & add people to it

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kormoc:

fran1, does https work?

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fran1:

yep, once I accept the cert...

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Paladine:

sandeen, man addgroup works well for that problem :)

[05:13:07]

sandeen:

true

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robbins876:

So, according to that link... i need to add .audio after root on the console 0660 line?

[05:13:28]

robbins876:

or wait...

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kormoc:

fran1, thanks muchly. Seems like verizon's FIOS blocks port 80 by default :/

[05:13:36]

sandeen:

robbins876, that will create the device in the audio group

[05:13:38]

robbins876:

the 0600 is permissions, correct?

[05:13:50]

sandeen:

yeah make it 0660 too

[05:13:53]

sandeen:

just like in that post

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robbins876:

i see

[05:13:59]

robbins876:

alright

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sandeen:

then add users to the audio group

[05:14:03]

robbins876:

do i need to put .root?

[05:14:07]

robbins876:

i mean, .audio?

[05:14:15]

Paladine:

yesh

[05:14:16]

sandeen:

exactly like in the post

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robbins876:

alright, then reboot?

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fran1:

kormoc, thats good to know, I was thinking about switching from RCN to verizon fios... 'cause RCN do the same (blocking port 80), they want $20 per month to fix my ip address an unblock port 80.

[05:14:48]

sandeen:

you don't have to reboot but rebooting will show you what will happen next time you do :)

[05:14:54]

sandeen:

and if you don't reboot you'll have to do something else

[05:14:56]

sandeen:

so yeah, reboot :)

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fran1:

FWIW I just configured apache to run on port 443 (the https port) without https.

[05:15:03]

kormoc:

fran1, seems like only business class FIOS gets 80 unblocked, so it's a bit more then just $20/mo

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Paladine:

he needs to restart the pam session though

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robbins876:

dlea

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robbins876:

deal, thanks i'll reboot

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robbins876:

wish me luck

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Paladine:

group changes don't happen on the fly

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kormoc:

fran1, other then this port 80 bit, it's rocking. the router they give you is quite sweet

[05:15:27]

sandeen:

Paladine, yeah, so rebooting is probably the simplest answer at this stage :)

[05:15:32]

Paladine:

aye

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fran1:

ouch... but I think $20 per mo is extorsionate given that its just a one time admin task to set it up...

[05:15:47]

sandeen:

any ideas on tracking down audio dropouts every 5 mins or so on ac3 pasthrough...

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fran1:

I'd pay $100 setup fee but no 20 per mo.

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sandeen:

fran1, 20/mo for what?

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Paladine:

sandeen, is it exactly 5 minutes?

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sandeen:

Paladine, no

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sandeen:

checked for cron jobs & the like

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Paladine:

k

[05:16:50]

sandeen:

killed off just about everything I could think of as a test

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Paladine:

that was my immediate thought

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sandeen:

crond, syslog, etc

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fran1:

sandeen: for a fixed ip and an unblocked port 80 (from RCN).

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kormoc:

fran1, I'm paying $35/mo for 5/2, and it's $60/mo for 15/2 business class

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sandeen:

fran1, yees

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sandeen:

h

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kormoc:

fran1, for a fixed ip, it's $100/mo 15/2

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Paladine:

I get a /29 with noNAT included in my package

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sandeen:

upped the pci latency not that I really know what's going on there, still no love :(

[05:17:17]

kormoc:

and $390/mo for 30/5

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fran1:

they are doing 7/2 + my cable (which isn't 5C'd so I've got myth recording HD over firewire), for ~$100 per month, they'll go up to 20/2 for $40 extra and again they just want the $20 per month fee for port 80 and a fixed ip... so its dyndns and port 443 for now :)

[05:19:35]

sandeen:

i had fun looking through the channels last night for ondemand stuff :)

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sandeen:

not sure why they don't encrypt that

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kormoc:

comcast was unblocking port 80 for me for free, that was nice

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sandeen:

found about 12 channels w/ various things my neighbors were watching :)

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kormoc:

but yeah, I just need to tell people to use https

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sandeen:

kormoc, make it auto-redirect maybe...

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fran1:

kormoc: but comcast 5c that cable box up the wazoo... do you get IPTV from fios, or a cablebox with a working firewire port?

[05:20:28]

sandeen:

hmm would that work.

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kormoc:

sandeen, that's hard, if I could redirect them, I could give content :P

[05:20:35]

sandeen:

guess not :)

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sandeen:

riiiight

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sandeen:

clearly time for bed :)

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stacy:

giving me the same issues

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stacy:

issue, anyway

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stacy:

oops

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kormoc:

fran1, I actually went with Dish Network, $30 a month for the same channels as my standard cable ($50/mo), so it's saving me a little

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robbins88:

giving me the same issue

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kormoc:

fran1, I might use that to justify business class

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** kormoc ponders **

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robbins88:

anyone have any other ideas?

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abarbaccia__:

hey guys – question – if you have two boxes and you want them to work together, what is required

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robbins87:

I chmod 777 the /dev/dsp directory and now i have sound in both accounts

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robbins87:

will that work permenantly?

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abarbaccia:

anybody here use more than one backend?

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kormoc:

abarbaccia, the second backend needs to be able to talk to the mysql server and the master backend

[05:34:37]

abarbaccia:

got it

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abarbaccia:

but what about the slave backends going to sleep

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abarbaccia:

and waking them back up

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kormoc:

you can setup WoL (Wake on LAN) if your network cards support it

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abarbaccia:

alright – but where are the settings to do that?

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k-man:

is it possible to have a mythtv setup that is a front end and a back end that can sleep when not in use?

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abarbaccia:

like if i have 3 backends that are running 2 capture cards each – and the master knows it has to wake up one of the other backends – how does it do it?

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abarbaccia:

yes – i use one all the time k-man

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kormoc:

abarbaccia, Setting up WoL is beyond just myth. once you have it setup so the computer wakes up, you just enable the master backend send WoL in mythtv-setup

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k-man:

abarbaccia, and you can make it sleep?

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k-man:

and it wakes itself up in time for recording?

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abarbaccia:

k-man yes, when it doesnt have any recordings it shuts down and wakes itself up 5 minutes before a recording

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kormoc:

k-man, currently, there is no talking between the frontend and backend

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abarbaccia:

it sets the nvram before going to sleep

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k-man:

abarbaccia, nice

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abarbaccia:

k-man what do you mean about that last statement – backends know how many are connected

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abarbaccia:

k-man thanks — not terribly difficult to implement

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k-man:

abarbaccia, i'll have to work on that

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kormoc:

abarbaccia, the backend when told to sleep doesn't know/check to see if an active frontend is going on the same box

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k-man:

it would be nice to put it to sleep at night

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kormoc:

abarbaccia, there is a chance it will go to sleep while you're active on the frontend side of things

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abarbaccia:

are you sure? i thought mythshutdown tested to see if a client was attached to it

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kormoc:

last I knew it didn't

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kormoc:

but it might have changed

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abarbaccia:

kormoc: let me see ...

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k-man:

abarbaccia, and it won't shut down if you are say, watching a DVD on it?

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abarbaccia:

yeah...

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Inssomniak:

OK, I determined my problem!!

[05:44:23]

Inssomniak:

although its odd.

[05:44:39]

Inssomniak:

myth front end plays back the dvb video stream faster than it comes out of the sky??

[05:44:49]

Inssomniak:

causing the prebuffer waits

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k-man:

have you got it set to a playback group that timestretches>?

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Inssomniak:

nothing besides what comes out of the box

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k-man:

can you check the time stretch while watching a program that displays this issue?

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Inssomniak:

No idea how to do that

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k-man:

in the epg

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k-man:

press M i think

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k-man:

and in that menu

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k-man:

there is a time stretch option

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k-man:

it should be 100% for no time stretch ( or 1, I can't rememeber)

[05:47:23]

k-man:

err.. sorry

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k-man:

not in the EPG

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k-man:

while watching a program, press M

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juski:

Inssomniak: funny, but I had that problem in minimyth

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juski:

I'd get loads of prebuffer pause messages & it'd actually glitch during playback (pause, followed by messy slowdown/speedup) every 20s or so

[05:49:12]

juski:

but playing back with timestretch enabled (any speed) didn't pause at all

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Inssomniak:

k-man, its set to 100%

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k-man:

oh

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k-man:

well.... thats god

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k-man:

good

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Inssomniak:

but for some reason it still plays it back faster than the data is available

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k-man:

so you can rule that out

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juski:

Inssomniak: are you using xvmc and deinterlacing?

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Inssomniak:

juski, no and no

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juski:

ah it's just that I only saw the problem in minimyth with both

[05:50:09]

Inssomniak:

is there other players besides the internal one?

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juski:

not for recorded or livetv, no

[05:50:44]

Inssomniak:

any other reasons why myth would want to play it back faster than the data exists?

[05:51:51]

juski:

other than a bug in the bit where it does its sums to work out where it's up to

[05:52:33]

juski:

I'm of the opinion my problem was due to alsa

[05:53:11]

juski:

I never got to the bottom of it but it went away (actually lessened greatly) when I switched to ubuntu

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Inssomniak:

aAudio output device is set to an ALSA device but ALSA support is not compiled in!

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Inssomniak:

hmm, it compiled in

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Inssomniak:

configure showed it

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juski:

I'm gonna be working on the problem again this week when I've finished my present gathering

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exobyte:

I'm getting an QSqlQuery error "database not open"

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juski:

bet you get more than that

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exobyte:

umm

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exobyte:

When I do /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend, I get QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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exobyte:

twice

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kormoc:

and what is in /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend?

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juski:

why's there a cron script for mythtv-backend? what's in it?

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exobyte:

I have no idea what I did; I didn't think I really played with mysql

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kormoc:

juski, given how fedora uses sys-v to control cronscripts, it wouldn't surprise me too much to learn they use cron to manage sys-v...

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exobyte:

test -x /usr/bin/mythfilldatabase || exit 0

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exobyte:

su mythtv -c "mythfilldatabase --quiet"

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exobyte:

that's it

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kormoc:

what distro is this?

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exobyte:

debian

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kormoc:

what version of myth?

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banyan:

Okay, I've played around a whole bunch trying to fix a problem and I'm out of ideas. I can only record off my tuner, not off my s-video input.

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exobyte:

kormoc: new

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juski:

exobyte: does mythfilldatabase work if you run it as the mythtv user?

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exobyte:

kormoc: 0.20-svn20061209–0.1

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banyan:

Nothing off source #2 works although all the source 2 channels are in the guide.

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kormoc:

exobyte, then it shouldn't be there. mythtv's master backend schedules that for you

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exobyte:

uhh

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exobyte:

kormoc: I didn't make it

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juski:

kormoc: not by default it doesn't ;)

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kormoc:

juski, ooh? last I knew it did?

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juski:

this is all part of the work some distros do to prevent users needing to have brains IMHO

[06:20:49]

juski:

distros/packagers

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kormoc:

heh

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juski:

user installs mythtv. two weeks later "help me prog guide no worky!"

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banyan:

I get Channel::GetCurrentChannelNum(126): Failed to find Channel '126' (126 is on the second source)

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exobyte:

kormoc: ok, forget that problem. When I try to start the backend, it fails. the same error is in the log, there

[06:22:43]

kormoc:

exobyte, well the error would point to mysql not being setup properly

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exobyte:

yup

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juski:

exobyte: try mysql -u mythtv -o mythconverg

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juski:

whoops

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kormoc:

-p not -o

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juski:

mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg

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exobyte:

juski: #1 fails, #2 works

[06:23:42]

juski:

I bet the debian package mythtv-database has randomised your mythtv mysql user's password & you dunno what it is yet

[06:23:56]

kormoc:

#2 works

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exobyte:

juski: it may have, but I reset it earlied

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juski:

hrm

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juski:

ok

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kormoc:

does mythtv-setup work right?

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banyan:

I've done so many mythfilldatabases today that I might get banned from zap2it...

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juski:

so look in /home/mythtv/.mythtv for a 'mysql.txt' file

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exobyte:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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exobyte:

that's the error in the log

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banyan:

You might have to go in to mysql and grant privileges manually.

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juski:

whatever the mythtv user's _mysql_ password (not login password), make all occurances of mysql.txt have that password in the file

[06:25:49]

kormoc:

banyan, given the command line login worked, that's unlikely

[06:26:01]

banyan:

Ah, I missed that.

[06:26:44]

banyan:

Your problem makes mine look less serious. At least my system is mostly working.

[06:27:42]

banyan:

Except on s-video 1 channels, grrr....

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exobyte:

I'm still getting the access denied error, even though mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg works

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banyan:

What's in your mysql.txt file?

[06:29:27]

banyan:

is your frontend on your backend machine?

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exobyte:

I can't find it

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exobyte:

I've just been testing with that one

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juski:

locate mysql.txt

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Cardoe:

grr

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exobyte:

ah

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Cardoe:

So I can't seem to get to my digital channels

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exobyte:

oh

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Cardoe:

I've got a microsoft remote

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exobyte:

heh

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exobyte:

the guy that build the thing used his password in the file

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exobyte:

not caring, I just used mythtv

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banyan:

I think it's in /etc/mythtv/

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exobyte:

it is

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juski:

I suspect it was the mythtv-database package which set a random password

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juski:

which is a great idea except when you never tell the user

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exobyte:

heh

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exobyte:

yeah

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banyan:

Cardoe, did you just upgrade to the latest rev of myth?

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exobyte:

and quite honestly, my home network is protected enough that a default password is ok for me

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juski:

ubuntu's packages do the same, and we see a lot of your kind of problem here because of it

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Cardoe:

banyan: no.

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Cardoe:

I just installed a pcHDTV

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banyan:

Does only your first input work?

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exobyte:

juski: thank you

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kormoc:

Cardoe, the MS remote is quite nice. I need to get the blaster working for my satalite box

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banyan:

Me too, that's on my list.

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exobyte:

personal opinion: mysql is a weakness of mythtv. Requiring the configuration of an external db is sloppy. Now... MythTV is free, I am free to change, I know that

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juski:

exobyte: no probs :)

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juski:

ah god no not the 'mysql' argument again

[06:36:05]

exobyte:

lol

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juski:

first & last words on the subject:

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exobyte:

juski: how do you feel about it?

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banyan:

I have done everything today but completely wipe out my database. Still can't get anything to record off my s-video input / second channel source.

[06:36:36]

juski:

there are lots of good reasons why mythtv needs mysql

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banyan:

mysql rocks imho.

[06:37:01]

exobyte:

I wish there was a good way to have tighter integration

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kormoc:

or a decently complete external database solution

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juski:

last word is – it's up to the user or packager to make it easier to condfigure

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juski:

configure, even ;)

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Paladine:

kormoc, are there any new developments for using the ms mce blaster with lirc yet?

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Paladine:

last I checked it wasn't compatable

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Cardoe:

banyan: huh?

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kormoc:

Paladine, google's come up with some people who have claimed to have it working

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kormoc:

Paladine, but I haven't attempted it yet

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banyan:

Does only your first input on your first card work?

[06:38:25]

Paladine:

I was just considering buying a new blaster

[06:38:31]

Paladine:

I have a home made one but it is ghetto

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Paladine:

and I have 2 MS MCE blasters so if i can get them working will save me a few coins

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Cardoe:

banyan: it's a 1 input card

[06:39:03]

banyan:

So your system isn't going period...

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exobyte:

juski: sorry to bring up what for good reason seems to have been a recurring debate here. It was just my $0.02

[06:39:09]

juski:

anyway, it might one day be possible to use other database scenarios, but work needs to be done to make it possible. no arguments about that

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Cardoe:

banyan: wtf are you talking about?

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banyan:

Trying to figure out whether you are having the same problem I am.

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Cardoe:

I added a pcHDTV card

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Cardoe:

for HDTV

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Cardoe:

No.

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juski:

I personally don't give a shit how mythtv does it, so long as it works & isn't a total bitch to configure

[06:39:54]

Cardoe:

I don't know how to switch to the digital channels while watching LiveTV

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Paladine:

hey kormoc, you know any of the myth plugin devs?

[06:40:23]

kormoc:

not really

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Paladine:

I was thinking a dv capture/editor plugin would be a nice plugin

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banyan:

I think it's 'B', I programmed a remote key to do that.

[06:40:36]

Paladine:

like kino but for myth

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juski:

Paladine: Anduin does some stuff with mythvideo from time to time

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juski:

Paladine: you can make myth launch other apps very easily

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Paladine:

juski, yeah I already do video passthrough for livetv

[06:41:54]

Cardoe:

I have the Microsoft remote

[06:41:56]

juski:

what the fuck is livetv? ;)

[06:41:59]

Cardoe:

with the config from SVN

[06:42:09]

Cardoe:

juski: heh. I'm trying to test it here.

[06:42:12]

Paladine:

cardoe, the remote is fine

[06:42:15]

Paladine:

the blaster is another story

[06:42:23]

Cardoe:

Paladine: I know the remote is fine

[06:42:31]

Cardoe:

I'm asking how the heck do I get it to switch to the HDTV channel

[06:42:35]

tcpsyn:

i just ordered one of those $12.00 ir recievers

[06:42:35]

Cardoe:

there is no "-" key

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juski:

Cardoe: Y to change tuners IIRC

[06:42:48]

juski:

C to change inputs

[06:43:01]

Cardoe:

I don't have a Y or C on my Microsoft remote.

[06:43:14]

Cardoe:

and I don't really need to change tuners or inputs

[06:43:17]

juski:

maybe it's on the OSD menu too

[06:43:21]

Cardoe:

since none of my channel numbers overlap

[06:43:24]

Cardoe:

it is.

[06:43:26]

Cardoe:

Program Guide

[06:43:44]

Cardoe:

Except when I click an item on the program guide it gives me the details on recording it

[06:43:47]

Cardoe:

rather then switching to it.

[06:43:50]

juski:

ahh

[06:43:56]

Cardoe:

like I said, I'm using the config for the Microsoft remote from SVN.

[06:43:59]

Cardoe:

no customizations

[06:43:59]

Paladine:

I am rebuilding this box in the next week or so, so I intend to have a blaster setup for managing my stb

[06:44:06]

Paladine:

I am sick of manual sheduling

[06:44:19]

juski:

then press Menu when the channel you want is highlighted, IIRC

[06:44:50]

juski:

or enable browse mode instead ;)

[06:44:53]

Paladine:

does edgy package still suffer the problems with mysql that dapper package did?

[06:45:04]

juski:

Paladine: yep

[06:45:14]

Paladine:

so I will be building from svn again then

[06:45:16]

Paladine:

hehe

[06:45:22]

juski:

although I know for a fact work is ongoing to fix that

[06:45:37]

alsoconfused:

Cardoe: look at this cheatsheet: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1

[06:46:02]

juski:

they've also got permission to distribute Hauppauge firmware, so there's gonna be packages for ivtv at last :)

[06:46:29]

Paladine:

oh that would be nice

[06:46:44]

Paladine:

although to be honest I never had any major problems manually setting up the firmware modules

[06:46:55]

Paladine:

but it would make it more convenient

[06:46:56]

juski:

nor me, but it'll be nicer

[06:47:19]

juski:

the idea is to make mythtv on ubuntu 'rock'

[06:47:19]

banyan:

Cardoe: You need to map the 'C' key to a key on the remote.

[06:47:51]

banyan:

That toggles between inputs for me anyway.

[06:47:52]

Cardoe:

That's for changing inputs

[06:48:00]

juski:

Cardoe: methinks you spent too much time doing ebuilds instead of using myth ;)

[06:48:05]

Cardoe:

which isn't necessary, since the channel numbers don't overlap.

[06:48:08]

Cardoe:

juski: possibly.

[06:48:21]

Cardoe:

juski: I really don't get to use it as much as I want to.

[06:48:29]

juski:

heh neither do I

[06:48:31]

Cardoe:

The others in my household do.

[06:48:40]

Cardoe:

But when I install something new... I wanna see if it works

[06:48:41]

Paladine:

juski you use myth with a stb or just regular terrestrial analog?

[06:49:00]

banyan:

On my system, I have two inputs with non-overlapping channels, and I can just change through them continuously.

[06:49:01]

juski:

dual tuner dvb-t and cable stb

[06:49:08]

banyan:

Or I could... until today.

[06:49:12]

Paladine:

no sky then?

[06:49:33]

juski:

I'd rather eat my own genitals than pay money to Murdoch

[06:49:36]

kormoc:

Cardoe, by default, the MCE-USB2 svn remote config won't do it

[06:49:38]

Paladine:

I wanna find someone who use lirc for their skybox and find out what they use

[06:49:52]

kormoc:

Cardoe, I think xris took my config and modified it slightly, and I didn't map those keys

[06:49:59]

Paladine:

would be nice to find preconfigured lirc configs for sky

[06:50:04]

Paladine:

and a decent ir blaster

[06:50:08]

juski:

there's one in the wiki IIRC

[06:50:20]

Cardoe:

kormoc: the * and the # key do the same.. I might switch those around

[06:50:23]

juski:

I know Kelerion uses a $ky STB & blaster

[06:50:26]

Paladine:

whats the best ir blaster to get for lirc in the UK?

[06:50:45]

juski:

Paladine: for $ky, prolly one of them things that plugs into the $ky RF2 socket

[06:50:57]

juski:

so it's not actually IR at all

[06:51:08]

Paladine:

I don't know if my box has an rf2 socket

[06:51:11]

Cardoe:

Well the card isn't showing wide screen either

[06:51:12]

Paladine:

I don't recall seeing one

[06:51:22]

Paladine:

and I am well aquainted with my sky box :)

[06:51:58]

juski:

Paladine: a lot do, and it's used with them 'IR remote eye' extender things for when you run an RF cable into another room

[06:52:24]

kormoc:

Cardoe, aye, when you update it, if you don't change remove any standard usage, if you toss it in svn assigned to xris, he'll likely update it

[06:52:38]

Cardoe:

ok

[06:52:45]

Cardoe:

kormoc: well the remote has some duplicate usage right now

[06:52:49]

** kormoc nods **

[06:52:59]

Cardoe:

Which I'd probably get rid of some of that.

[06:53:12]

** kormoc nods **

[06:53:25]

Cardoe:

like on the Program Guide... Ok and Enter both go to the record channel screen...

[06:53:34]

Cardoe:

as does the record button

[06:53:39]

Paladine:

I have an rf out 1 and 2

[06:53:41]

Paladine:

but no rf in

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** kormoc nods **

[06:53:46]

Cardoe:

probably make one tune and record record

[06:53:59]

kormoc:

that would make sense

[06:54:06]

kormoc:

okay jumping to the channel would make sense too

[06:54:07]

Cardoe:

actually record doesn't go to the screen

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[06:54:27]

Cardoe:

oh.. it does single recording

[06:54:40]

Mattwj2005:

Merry Christmas all! :)

[06:54:45]

kormoc:

a tad early :P

[06:54:47]

Paladine:

and to you matt

[06:54:47]

alsoconfused:

Hi, I'm looking for help playing DVD/VOB with the internal player. If i seek during dvd playback, it freezes and gives tons of "audio buffer overflow" messages. same thing happens when playing a .vob or .iso but it works fine if i remux the file to a .mpg. I just discovered that mythcommflag --rebuild fixes the problem for a .vob file. So what can i do to fix it for a physical DVD? Any ideas?

[06:55:07]

kormoc:

alsoconfused, for a physical dvd? you can't really.

[06:55:09]

Cardoe:

kormoc: I'll mess with it tomorrow and let ya know what I tweaked.. maybe you can test it and see how it works for you

[06:55:18]

alsoconfused:

kormoc: is this a known problem?

[06:55:19]

kormoc:

Cardoe, sure, sounds fine by me

[06:55:24]

Cardoe:

night

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juski:

Paladine: it'd use the RF2 output :)

[06:55:30]

kormoc:

night Cardoe

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kormoc:

alsoconfused, not that I've run into personally

[06:55:55]

kormoc:

alsoconfused, but a physical disk only has one stream, you can't really change that

[06:56:00]

Paladine:

juski, got any links for the rf "blasters" ?

[06:56:05]

Paladine:

not heard of them before

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alsoconfused:

kormoc: right. i can't understand why the internal player has a problem with .vob

[06:56:52]

juski:

http://www.byteme.org.uk/howtos/lirc-sky-rflink-howto.shtml

[06:57:15]

Paladine:

fantastic mate, thanks

[06:57:35]

Mattwj2005:

byteme.org?

[06:57:39]

Mattwj2005:

nice :

[06:57:42]

Mattwj2005:

:)

[06:58:35]

banyan:

I think I'm gonna wipe my database and see if I can get things working. I basically have to back up all the record* tables, right?

[06:58:41]

alsoconfused:

it seems mythtv uses it's own libs for ac52, libdvd, etc. so what could be different on my system to cause this problem?

[06:58:50]

juski:

Paladine: there's also http://www.heenan.me.uk/control-sky-from-pc/

[06:59:19]

Paladine:

juski that first one is for homebrew methods, I was hoping to find a product

[06:59:23]

Paladine:

let me check the other link

[07:01:20]

kormoc:

alsoconfused, honestly, I have no bloody idea. it's super strange

[07:02:46]

Paladine:

juski, wow thats expensive

[07:02:50]

Paladine:

41 quid

[07:03:07]

juski:

Paladine: yes it might be expensive but no messy IR

[07:03:15]

Paladine:

whats the difference between his single output and single output + rf passthrough?

[07:03:15]

juski:

and it's USB

[07:03:28]

Paladine:

the second one allows passthrough to a second device?

[07:03:41]

juski:

Paladine: I assume it's so you can still feed the RF2 output to other stuff

[07:04:08]

Paladine:

we know anyone using one of these who can comment on the mythtv integration script?

[07:04:24]

juski:

nope

[07:04:38]

juski:

everyone I suggest it to baulks at the cost

[07:04:55]

Paladine:

what other USB blasters work in linux?

[07:04:56]

juski:

take heart in this though – you pay him money, he owes you help getting it worky ;)

[07:05:03]

Paladine:

hehehe

[07:05:21]

Paladine:

the money is not really a problem, just suprised more than anything, knowing how much it cost me to make my own blaster

[07:06:26]

juski:

in all probability he's just taken the cct from the 1st link & added a USB>serial converter which works with lirc

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mchou:

Paladine: what STBs are you trying to control?

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Bernardo:

good morning

[07:12:17]

Paladine:

mchou, sky tv box in the UK

[07:12:45]

mchou:

Paladine: no serial/firewire attachment?

[07:12:58]

Paladine:

I built a serial blaster, but it is ghetto

[07:13:06]

Paladine:

I want something a little more professionally put together

[07:13:34]

mchou:

Paladine: forget IR "blasters." hardly reliable

[07:13:57]

mchou:

best to use serial or firewire if available

[07:14:02]

Paladine:

I hve serial and firewire on my system

[07:14:10]

juski:

Paladine: the best way is one of the solutions offered in the links I gave you

[07:14:20]

juski:

$ky STB's dont have serial or firewire

[07:14:21]

mchou:

Paladine: no, I mean on the STB

[07:14:24]

Paladine:

serial is currently plugged into my router for console and firewire currently plugged into the camcorder

[07:14:29]

mchou:

lol

[07:14:31]

Paladine:

oh, no the stb doesn't

[07:14:36]

Paladine:

it just has ir or rf

[07:14:42]

juski:

they only have the lame RF2 socket method, which is still better than IR

[07:14:47]

mchou:

that's really too bad

[07:15:01]

Bernardo:

you're lucky you at least have rf

[07:15:04]

Paladine:

juski, I emailed the guy on the rf2 page for more info

[07:15:07]

juski:

get a dreambox, ditch $ky & use http requests instead :)

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Bernardo:

I think portuguese set tob boxes only have ir

[07:15:20]

Paladine:

dreambox?

[07:15:24]

Paladine:

itch sky?

[07:15:42]

Paladine:

my missus would rip off my balls and use them to bargain with Sky to come and reconnect her

[07:16:01]

mchou:

crap, where is my pineapple?

[07:16:04]

Paladine:

we have 4 sky feeds in this house

[07:16:08]

juski:

what's so important on $ky anyway?

[07:16:13]

Paladine:

thereis no way she would give up sky

[07:16:25]

juski:

the movies are crap, and there are way too many shopping channels

[07:16:28]

Paladine:

cable isn't available here

[07:16:31]

mchou:

Paladine: enquiring minds wanna know

[07:16:33]

juski:

ah

[07:16:44]

tcpsyn:

A few times I've noticed that if I'm watching live tv, and myth is scheduled to record something, it flips out, the picture goes to black and white, and it records static

[07:16:49]

tcpsyn:

anyone seen that before?

[07:17:09]

mchou:

tcpsyn: nope. and stop watching livetv

[07:17:17]

tcpsyn:

why?

[07:17:21]

juski:

tcpsyn: it's mythtv's way of telling you that using livetv is _so_ last century

[07:17:26]

juski:

;)

[07:17:27]

tcpsyn:

heh

[07:17:40]

Paladine:

juski, he must have hella markup on those controllers

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mchou:

Paladine: what else is new

[07:17:53]

Paladine:

I can't imagine they cost more than 6 quid to make even with expensive components

[07:17:55]

juski:

Paladine: or value his time more than I do

[07:18:14]

mchou:

Paladine: dude, it's not how much it costs to make......

[07:18:23]

Paladine:

mchou, I know

[07:18:29]

Paladine:

just making general observations

[07:18:31]

juski:

he ain't doing it for the good of his 'elf

[07:18:33]

mchou:

Paladine: it's the time to source all the frigging components

[07:18:46]

banyan:

Anybody have an idea why my recordings all fail immediately when I try to record anything off my s-video?

[07:18:49]

Paladine:

sourcing the components takes about 2 minutes on maplin.co.uk ;)

[07:18:58]

juski:

Paladine: maplins pffft!

[07:19:10]

mchou:

Paladine: yeah, then feeel free and go undercut his price

[07:19:16]

juski:

cpc.co.uk & farnell.co.uk ftw!

[07:19:41]

mchou:

juski: lol, they are all owned by the same peeps anyways

[07:19:42]

Paladine:

mchou, I have enough projects on the go lol

[07:19:47]

juski:

maplin – don't get me started on them

[07:20:06]

juski:

too many PFYs work for them & they don't have even the faintest clue

[07:20:07]

Paladine:

I have a mate who works at maplin so i get free shipping :p

[07:20:34]

juski:

the trick is to go midweek during the day :)

[07:20:48]

juski:

when the cluetards are still in college

[07:21:14]

Paladine:

don't get me started on college cluetards

[07:21:32]

Paladine:

I applied for a part time job at PC world in their service and repair department

[07:21:38]

Paladine:

to help me through college

[07:21:42]

juski:

I'm reluctant to give them any business after being asked if I wanted AGP or PCI when I'd asked for a price of some video coax

[07:21:49]

Paladine:

fuckers never bothered to phone me back

[07:21:55]

Paladine:

they were desperate for staff

[07:22:13]

Paladine:

next thing I know they have a bunch of 18 yr olds who can;t possibly have my skillset and experience all working there

[07:22:33]

Paladine:

I have a good mind to slap them with an age discrimination suit

[07:22:42]

banyan:

Why would I get this kind of error when recording off my s-video input? Channel::GetCurrentChannelNum(126): Failed to find Channel '126'

[07:22:44]

juski:

you prolly wanted too much money

[07:23:03]

Paladine:

juski, no my minimum wage entitlement is higher because I am over 21

[07:23:10]

juski:

same diff ;)

[07:23:13]

Paladine:

thats why they didn't hire me imo

[07:23:14]

Paladine:

which is illegal

[07:23:27]

juski:

and you're probably less likely to lie to customers

[07:23:31]

banyan:

If you can prove it.

[07:24:03]

juski:

been lied to, to make a sale? where in the world...

[07:24:20]

Paladine:

banyan, proving it is easy, 15 years working in the industry and they want to say that a suprisingly high number of 18 yr olds straight out of highschool are better qualified/exerienced?

[07:24:21]

juski:

(any part of the Dixons group, actually)

[07:24:36]

banyan:

no, just cheaper.

[07:24:45]

Paladine:

cheaper is not a legal argument

[07:24:49]

banyan:

It's disgusting, I know.

[07:24:57]

Paladine:

we have age discrimination laws in employment legislation in the UK

[07:25:08]

Paladine:

they just came in this november

[07:25:10]

juski:

just boycott em & encourage everyone else you know to do likewise

[07:25:26]

juski:

there are already plenty of folks who do

[07:25:32]

Paladine:

it is even illegal in the UK now to advertise a job as a "Graduate" position

[07:25:52]

banyan:

But it's not illegal to actually have educational requirements I assume...

[07:25:56]

juski:

I think maybe part of the key is you waited for them to get back to you

[07:25:58]

Paladine:

nope

[07:26:03]

Paladine:

just to use th term graduate

[07:26:17]

Paladine:

it is considered ageist because the majority of graduates are within a specific age bracket

[07:26:35]

Paladine:

(new graduates I should say)

[07:26:42]

banyan:

Applicant must have big-boy hairs (or big girl hairs)

[07:27:11]

juski:

lol

[07:27:31]

juski:

that's a whole other kettle of lawsuit

[07:27:40]

Paladine:

I will write a letter of complaint to pc world hq in the UK expressing my disappointment and explaining I feel their decision to ignore my application isin breach of age discrimination laws

[07:27:59]

Paladine:

see how they respond

[07:28:08]

tcpsyn:

anyone got any ideas about the black and white problem? I'm afraid that'll happen if two recordings are scheduled at the same time.

[07:28:29]

banyan:

Here's one for all you coffee lovers out there. ttp://www.cartoline.it/pics/_zoom_flash.htm?i . . . 50404_01.swf

[07:28:42]

banyan:

whoops, missed the h in http.

[07:29:08]

Paladine:

which is a real pain for me cos my mouse is not working properly so I can't copy through higlighting very easily

[07:29:17]

abarbaccia:

kormoc: just to note – the backends do not shut down if a client is connected: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html

[07:29:36]

kormoc:

niftyness, good to know

[07:32:09]

Paladine:

crap almost forgot to make the baby's bottles, brb

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Bernardo:

guys, my mythtv machine hangs if I switch a channel thru the program guide without waiting for the preview video to show

[07:33:37]

Bernardo:

any idea where to start troubleshooting

[07:33:39]

Bernardo:

?

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tcpsyn:

it looks like I should be able to send lirc info over the network.

[07:44:16]

tcpsyn:

anyone do this?

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kormoc:

tcpsyn, you likely can just export the block device over the network just fine, but I doubt most people do that

[07:51:58]

tcpsyn:

nfs?

[07:52:06]

tcpsyn:

nice

[07:52:22]

Dagmar:

Timing would be buggered.

[07:52:31]

tcpsyn:

even over a lan?

[07:52:37]

tcpsyn:

I mean, it should be pretty quick.

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Dagmar:

It doesn't take much to throw the timings out

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kormoc:

I think NBD is the software to do it

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Bernardo:

bye, work time

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Dagmar:

It would do it, but I still think the latency would make the signals unreadable to lirc because variable latency == bad in this case

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kormoc:

true enough

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Dagmar:

That and there's a company that actually makes "network portable" serial port software for linux

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kormoc:

I'd be tempted to say it depends on which device you export, I'd be tempted to say a exported lircd would work fine, but an exported lirc receiver wouldn't

[07:55:55]

Dagmar:

You can get their hardware for about $100 with four serial ports on it, and then use 'em pretty much anywhere on a network... but only for RS-232 uses

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tcpsyn:

what do you mean

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tcpsyn:

lircd but not lirc

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kormoc:

lirc has two parts

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kormoc:

/dev/lircd, the server

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tcpsyn:

lirc should be able to listen to a remote lircd right?

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kormoc:

and /dev/lirc/0 or similar, the receiver

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kormoc:

/dev/lirc/0 talks to /dev/lircd after the remote codes are received. it basically just says, this key was pressed, and then lircd the program reads from /dev/lircd and does the action

[07:57:41]

kormoc:

so exporting /dev/lircd shouldn't actually be affected by latency that much

[07:57:54]

kormoc:

but I could be entirely wrong

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Dagmar:

yeah, it would be fine.

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Dagmar:

The bit that senses what state the CD line is in, tho, that would just be boned.

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tcpsyn:

well..

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tcpsyn:

how would mythfrontend access the exported /dev/lirc/0?

[08:00:38]

tcpsyn:

or would it not? would lirc access it?

[08:01:05]

kormoc:

it wouldn't, it would talk via /dev/lircd

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tcpsyn:

so I export /dev to /mnt/dev and then ln -s /mnt/dev/lircd /dev/lircd?

[08:01:54]

tcpsyn:

and mythfrontend will dig that?

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kormoc:

you would use something that understood block devices, like NBD, and this is all in theory, so perhaps or perhaps not

[08:10:55]

banyan:

Do I need to have a transport set up?

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tcpsyn:

hahaha

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tcpsyn:

it works

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tcpsyn:

I set lircd to listen on the server and then on the client, I have it connect

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kormoc:

tcpsyn, nifty, might want to write it up in the mythtv wiki :)

[08:15:44]

tcpsyn:

Yeah.

[08:15:59]

tcpsyn:

I'll have to figure out how to get it to stay though

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tcpsyn:

it even works with mythfrontend without any extra tweaking

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fincan:

hi everyone

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tcpsyn:

hi

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fincan:

can i ask couple of questions?

[08:28:01]

tcpsyn:

i may not be able to help, but someone might

[08:28:12]

fincan:

ok, here we go

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fincan:

my mythtv is up and running with two problems

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fincan:

1st one is

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fincan:

in program guide, channel names are in correct order but program list is wrong

[08:29:17]

fincan:

i.e. Discovery channels program list is on Spike TV

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fincan:

it looks like list is shifted 2 rows

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tcpsyn:

I had that issue as well, I went back and started the channel import with zap2it again

[08:30:33]

fincan:

I did that couple of times, but it's still there

[08:30:52]

tcpsyn:

I'm not sure then

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fincan:

when I run mythfilldatabase, does it first deletes all the program guide?

[08:31:01]

Dagmar:

Nope

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fincan:

hmm, it may be a db problem, how can I purge it?

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kormoc:

you need to use --refresh-all I believe

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fincan:

testing it right now...

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pacman87:

while he's testing, i'm a total linux noob trying to install mythTV on elive

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pacman87:

anyone know any really basic install guides?

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Dagmar:

wiki.mythtv.org

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Dagmar:

Right there in the Howtos section

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Dagmar:

Also on the left hand side of www.mythtv.org you'll find a link titled "Documentation"

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kormoc:

and if you run into a part that takes a bit more to deal with, feel free to expand the documentation

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pacman87:

thanks

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fincan:

yay! it worked :o)

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fincan:

here's the 2nd question

[08:40:27]

fincan:

volume control doesn't work. I mean it shows on OSD but doesn't have any effect at all

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fincan:

it also doesn't do any change in volume level if I change the volume from the gnome sound mixer

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fincan:

(I'm on Ubuntu 6.10)

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fincan:

oh and my tuner is Haup. PVR 150

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juski:

try looking for the 'use internal volume controls' setting

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banyan:

all that fuss and all I had to say was /bin/true for the channel changer in my svideo connection.

[08:47:59]

banyan:

I'm a happy camper now though! Playback takes basically 0% cpu via the 350 video out and everything else seems cool.

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fincan:

ok changing it from PCM to Master solved it

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fincan:

thank you everyone :o)

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fincan:

can anyone have a geforce 7600gt and able to use s-video out?

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superm1:

hi everyone, can someone comment on the current state of upnp? Are all three, recordings, videos, and music supported as of now?

[09:15:33]

Dagmar:

fincan: It should be on by default if you actually have TV plugged into it when you boot up.

[09:15:53]

Dagmar:

fincan: It's also important to pay attention to whether or not your video card came with a little box that's supposed to plug into that port.

[09:16:14]

fincan:

oh shoot yes I forgot that converter

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Dagmar:

Not all of that which looks like s-video output actually *is* s-video. Not paying attention to what you're plugging in can/will result in bent pins and non-functionality

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Dagmar:

Yep. Use the little box and that should sort the problem.

[09:17:48]

Dagmar:

There's a couple of bits mentioned in the README for the driver about what you can do to force it on, but they're not needed if you have something connected on the other end when you boot. The default behaviour is to clone the display to the s-video output provided you use 60Hz output and a resolution of 640x480<->1024x768

[09:18:06]

Dagmar:

1024x768 is what gets the best color/contrast on all the nVidia cards I have.

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fincan:

hmm, my computer LCD's running on 1280x1024, but the tv's max is 1024

[09:19:19]

fincan:

anyway, nvtv says Fatal: no supported video card found

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fincan:

restarting, brb

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fincan:

didn't work

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fincan:

I was reluctant to edit xorg.conf but it looks I don't have any other option

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juski:

back up your xorg.conf file, then edit it

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fincan:

hmhmm will do, reading documents right now, thanks :)

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tcpsyn:

its hard to get this lircrc file acceptable

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Dagmar:

fincan: You don't use nvtv with anything other than the really ancient nVidia cards that only have composite output.

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tcpsyn:

I cant get things like the guide to work

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tcpsyn:

and thats pretty important

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fincan:

Dagmar: so editing xorg.conf is the only way right?

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Dagmar:

fincan: If push comes to shove you can look at http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/xorg.conf

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Dagmar:

The only way to what? Your last statement tells me you're trying to use nvtv, which is wrong.

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fincan:

tcpsyn: what's your IR receiver?

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tcpsyn:

I'm using a hauppage pvr-150

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tcpsyn:

the reciever in that

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fincan:

Dagmar: I was looking for something as easy as possible

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tcpsyn:

irw shows everything as working

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fincan:

ok, I have the same card

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Dagmar:

fincan: Then don't use nvtv. Use the normal nVidia driver from nVidia and you're done.

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Dagmar:

fincan: In that URL I just pasted is the xorg.conf I'm using, and basically, there's three lines in it that force some things which aren't needed at all. I just wanted to be sure things would work if I booted without the TV connected.

[09:40:38]

Dagmar:

TVStandard, TVOutFormat, and ConnectedMonitor are all the defaults actually

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alsoconfused:

hooray: i found my dvd seeking problem! "seek to exact time" was causing the problem

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Yako_:

hi everyone

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fincan:

I want to give the Mythtv output to tv and normal desktop to my monitor actually

[09:41:26]

fincan:

tcpsyn: so what's the problem?

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Dagmar:

Oh hey, I know the cutlist editor can set cut points anywhere, but playback is only keyframe-accurate... When you transcode that out with nuvexport is that frame-accurate or is it just keyframe accurate?

[09:41:52]

tcpsyn:

I'm just having a hard time getting all of the buttons to work. The guide being the important one

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Yako_:

is there a way to finetune a channel in live view?

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Dagmar:

fincan: You'll need to tell X you have two displays then, and good luck sorting out which you want what displayed on.

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fincan:

Dagmar: hehe thanks :)

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fincan:

tcpsyn: ok do the following:

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fincan:

cd /etc

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fincan:

wget http://s91928265.onlinehome.us/hfamily/mythtv . . . pgrey-g3.txt

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fincan:

su – mythtv

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fincan:

ln -s /etc/lircrc-haupgrey-g3.txt .lircrc

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fincan:

cd .mythtv

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fincan:

ln -s ../.lircrc lircrc

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fincan:

exit

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fincan:

--------------------

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fincan:

and it should work

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tcpsyn:

it kinda works.

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tcpsyn:

some buttons work, some do the wrong shit, and some dont

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fincan:

you have the grey remote with 4 color buttons on the bottom right?

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tcpsyn:

yup

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fincan:

hm, mine works, I just need to edit that file for Sub/CC button

[09:46:41]

tcpsyn:

maybe my myth keybindings are wrong

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tcpsyn:

this looks like guide is F3, my keybinding is M

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fincan:

Hmm, I didn't change any bindings on mine so I don't know about that

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tcpsyn:

neither did I

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tcpsyn:

could be distro specific?

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fincan:

did you compiled the lirc from scratch?

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fincan:

I don't think so

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tcpsyn:

yeah, I did.

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fincan:

and you put this line in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases

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fincan:

alias char-major-61 lirc_i2c

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tcpsyn:

lirc works fine.

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tcpsyn:

just some of the bindings for the lircrc file are wrong for me

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tcpsyn:

It's cool, I'm fixing them.

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fincan:

hm, weird, maybe as you said it's dist. specific

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tcpsyn:

like the channel and volume buttons

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tcpsyn:

heh

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fincan:

since you're fixing it yourself and I'm out of solutions anyway, I can dig for my tv-out problem :)

[09:52:13]

tcpsyn:

whats wrongwith tv-out

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fincan:

I want to give mythtv output to tv and kepp the desktop on computer monitor

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tcpsyn:

fun.

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fincan:

tell me about it :P

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Yako_:

fincan: do you have a dual screen x setup already ?

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fincan:

what I wonder is, can I play morrowind on monitor and watch tv on tv at the same time hehe

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Yako_:

heh if you have a fast enough computer :P

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fincan:

Yako_: nope

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Yako_:

which can encode and decode an mpeg stream simultaneously AND play morrowind :p

[09:54:45]

Yako_:

but anyway

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Yako_:

get a dual screen setup

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tcpsyn:

is there a central place where I can see all my myth keybindings?

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fincan:

Yako: in that case I need around $500 for a dual core cpu and lots of ram i guess heh

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Yako_:

lol yeah i guess so

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Yako_:

myth takes up about 500 MB of ram

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fincan:

ouch

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Yako_:

and 80% from a 2.5 GHz cpu

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Yako_:

assuming you have a tv tuner without hardware mpeg en/decoding

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fincan:

mine has an mpeg encoder, but no decoder AFAIK (PVR 150)

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Yako_:

kay

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Yako_:

decoder isnt much a problem

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Yako_:

encoding takes the most power

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Yako_:

so you're good

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fincan:

so I'm down to $200 for just RAM modules hehe

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Yako_:

yeah lol

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Ruleke:

hello folks

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Yako_:

hi

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fincan:

hi Ruleke

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Yako_:

does anyone know a way to finetune channels in mythtv while live watching?

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Ruleke:

in myth ? no :-/

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Yako_:

:(

[10:00:59]

Yako_:

cause my signal is bad

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Yako_:

and im tired of doing it using mythweb

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Ruleke:

beats doing it in the db ;)

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Yako_:

well I used to do it using mythtv-setup XD

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Ruleke:

brr

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Ruleke:

just trying to add a new transport right now... for some reason the mythtv-setup gui transfers loads of data through the forwarded X link I have before it displays anything :P

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Yako_:

odd

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Yako_:

but anyway

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Yako_:

my mythbox is running sweet

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Yako_:

and the cable company is coming to fix the signal

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quicksilver:

is my HP DVD burner probably region-locked?

[10:09:16]

tcpsyn:

i would imagine

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** quicksilver nods **

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quicksilver:

can I do anything about that?

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Yako_:

find an unlock tool

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fincan:

yeah you can change it's firmware

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fincan:

if there's a region free one

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Yako_:

some dvd players allow you to change the region for a limited amount of times

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tcpsyn:

my volume control doesnt work

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tcpsyn:

bahh

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Yako_:

>:(

[10:11:23]

fincan:

quicksilver: look at this site:

[10:11:24]

fincan:

http://forum.rpc1.org/portal.php

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fincan:

tcpsyn: can you see OSD when you try to change volume?

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Yako_:

flashing non-genuine firmware sometimes voids warranty though

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tcpsyn:

yeah

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tcpsyn:

i can move the slider around, but the volume doesn't change

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fincan:

Yako_: oh yeah I forgot the legal mumbo jumbo, you have a risk of bricking your burner quicksilver

[10:13:19]

Yako_:

tcpsyn: have you hooked mythtv to the PCM output or the master output?

[10:13:32]

tcpsyn:

I dont know... where is that setting?

[10:13:38]

fincan:

tcpsyn: ok I had the same problem, change PCM output to Master output from setup-general

[10:13:44]

quicksilver:

interesting

[10:13:54]

Yako_:

fincan: exactly

[10:13:56]

tcpsyn:

I'm in setup general, I see both Master and PCM sliders..

[10:13:59]

quicksilver:

how come some windows software claims to be able to play any region without altering the firmware?

[10:14:00]

Yako_:

or the other way around

[10:14:05]

tcpsyn:

but I can't chose either or

[10:14:24]

Yako_:

tcpsyn, it has a dropdown menu somewhere

[10:14:28]

tcpsyn:

ah maybe the screen is getting cut off because I'm in a window.

[10:14:29]

tcpsyn:

brb

[10:14:33]

tcpsyn:

thanks

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fincan:

drop down's name is "Mixer Controls"

[10:15:46]

fincan:

quicksilver, yeah they really do (i.e. anydvd) but I don't know if a similar software exists for linux

[10:16:22]

quicksilver:

fincan: how does that work? I thought the drives were designed to just refuse to read, once the region switch counter is passed?

[10:17:23]

tcpsyn:

fincan, neither master nor pcm have any effect on the volume

[10:17:46]

Yako_:

open up your volume controls and check which one mythtv modifies

[10:17:49]

fincan:

they make your dvd's region to look like your drive's region

[10:18:37]

tcpsyn:

Yako_, it doesn't modify anything

[10:19:26]

fincan:

tcp, can you change the Mixer Device right next to that Mixer Controls dropdown?

[10:19:28]

Yako_:

tcpsyn, maybe its set to the wrong mixer

[10:19:34]

tcpsyn:

/dev/mixer

[10:19:38]

tcpsyn:

Not sure what else it would be

[10:19:49]

Yako_:

try switching it to see if that helps

[10:19:55]

tcpsyn:

to what

[10:20:06]

Yako_:

there should be multiple options in that field

[10:20:25]

tcpsyn:

there /dev/mixer and /dev/snd/mixer, but /dev/snd/mixer doesn't exist

[10:20:54]

Yako_:

weird

[10:20:56]

fincan:

what about Audio output device on top of that screen? For example mine has /dev/dsp and /dev/adsp but it only works with /dev/dsp

[10:21:11]

Yako_:

mine only works with adsp

[10:21:32]

tcpsyn:

I have /dev/dsp and /dev/sound/dsp

[10:21:43]

tcpsyn:

/dev/sound/dsp doesn't exist

[10:21:53]

Yako_:

if all fails, you could try mapping the volume buttons to the OS's volume control instead of myth's

[10:22:02]

tcpsyn:

I'm using a frontend ..

[10:22:13]

tcpsyn:

is it using the backends devices?

[10:22:16]

fincan:

in that case i'm again out of suggestions..

[10:22:22]

tcpsyn:

thanks for trying

[10:22:39]

Yako_:

<tcpsyn> is it using the backends devices?

[10:22:48]

Yako_:

that seems unlikely to me

[10:23:00]

fincan:

hmm my frontend and backend are in the same computer but I don't think so

[10:23:59]

fincan:

because frontend should decode audio itself since it gives the audio to your speakers

[10:24:35]

Yako_:

how do i set this image as background image in mythtv? > http://www.consumptionjunction.com/downloadsnew/cj_52447.jpg

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fincan:

let's see if this twinview thing is working, restarting and brb (hopefully)

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Dagmar:

Yako_: You edit the theme you're using.

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juski:

Yako has interesting taste in background images

[11:09:26]

fincan:

gaaah

[11:09:28]

fincan:

hi again

[11:09:33]

Dagmar:

Yep. I'm thinking someone should oper up and flush him

[11:09:38]

juski:

he needs help, and not just with mythtv

[11:09:56]

Rince:

Question: when I use mythvideo for watching DVD-ISO-Images, the menu items are not highlighted – what am I doing wrong there?

[11:10:02]

fincan:

hehe looks like I've missed some fun

[11:10:19]

juski:

Rince: using 0.19 mythtvb, maybe?

[11:10:24]

Rince:

juski: 0.20

[11:10:43]

juski:

Rince: the internal play isn't perfect yet

[11:10:48]

juski:

s/play/player

[11:11:03]

fincan:

stupid symphonic and emerson and the likes

[11:11:17]

** juski finds a pic of some kittens to take that disturbing image away **

[11:11:35]

Rince:

juski: but it will once show it? great ;)

[11:11:59]

juski:

Rince: I've always used xine

[11:12:04]

Dagmar:

www.cuteoverload.com

[11:12:47]

Rince:

juski: Hmm. Maybe I should change that

[11:12:47]

juski:

anyway, it'd be best to report the problem, stating which DVD it is

[11:12:48]

juski:

if folks just work around problems they never get fixed ;)

[11:12:59]

Rince:

juski: it is an iso image of a DVD ;)

[11:13:13]

juski:

Rince: so does the DVD play?

[11:13:15]

Rince:

I start imaging my DVDs since hard drives need less space in the room thatn DVDs

[11:13:34]

juski:

or does another player play the iso okay?

[11:14:28]

Rince:

the DVD itself is fine with the menues

[11:14:40]

Rince:

I tested that on my dvd-player

[11:14:57]

juski:

no, I mean can you play it in xine or vlc just fine?

[11:15:06]

juski:

and does the iso play fine?

[11:15:27]

Rince:

yes I can

[11:16:24]

juski:

same thing as before. report the problem :)

[11:17:46]

Rince:

will do

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** Ruleke is in channel scanner hell again **

[11:21:39]

Ruleke:

:-/

[11:22:06]

** fincan crosses fingers and restarts again **

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frink_:

yo yo yo

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fincan:

yet again, hi

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** fincan bangs his head **

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frink_:

anybody got a reccomendation for a good graphics card with good tv-out?

[12:22:29]

quicksilver:

I'm happy with my ATI Radeon 9250

[12:22:37]

quicksilver:

although you have to be prepared to compile drivers from source

[12:22:48]

quicksilver:

others are happy with Nvidia 5200 or 6200 ish cards

[12:22:53]

frink_:

oh so ATI work these days? ;-)

[12:22:59]

** quicksilver shrugs **

[12:23:12]

quicksilver:

the all-in-wonders don't, possibly

[12:23:21]

quicksilver:

but the TV_out radeons do, or most of them

[12:23:37]

quicksilver:

http://megahurts.dk/rune/tv_output.html

[12:25:23]

frink_:

ahh, good link, thanks...

[12:25:51]

frink_:

I duno about Intel or AMD processors either.. I guess it's all pretty much the same these days.. :-)

[12:26:12]

** quicksilver nods **

[12:26:19]

quicksilver:

Althon64s work well

[12:26:25]

quicksilver:

but I hear nice things about the core duo

[12:26:40]

quicksilver:

a cheap athlon64 may be a nice cheap option and has more power than you need for SD anyway

[12:28:51]

Paladine:

well I just bought me one of these

[12:28:53]

Paladine:

http://www.heenan.me.uk/control-sky-from-pc/

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frink_:

yeah the duos do look good..

[12:33:36]

frink_:

I dont get this Intel thing, is a Pentium D the same as a Duo?

[12:34:03]

pat_:

no

[12:34:14]

LLyric:

the core duo seems to be the best choice right now, good performance, yet quieter and cooler than amd, from what I hear

[12:34:27]

LLyric:

up until, say, six months ago, the athlon x2 was the one to get.

[12:34:28]

Paladine:

yeah but its intel

[12:34:28]

frink_:

Paladine: Oh Sky RS232 control.....

[12:34:32]

LLyric:

Now, either are good

[12:34:41]

Paladine:

I would barf a ilttle everytime I sat down at my desk if I had an Intel system

[12:34:54]

frink_:

Paladine: This will be under the telly though :)

[12:35:17]

Paladine:

I ... just .... couldnt.....do......it

[12:35:47]

Paladine:

its like asking me to cut off my own nut

[12:35:54]

frink_:

yeah...

[12:35:55]

Paladine:

I just couldn't do it

[12:36:47]

frink_:

Does MythTV do any transcoding from DVB signals or does it just dump the DVB stream to disk?

[12:37:07]

LLyric:

straight to disk, but you can transcode it "later"

[12:37:24]

frink_:

Thats nice though, perofrmance wise for recodings.

[12:37:47]

frink_:

i.e. recording a DVB stream should not be very CPU intensive.

[12:37:55]

quicksilver:

not at all

[12:37:59]

quicksilver:

it barely touches the CPU

[12:38:48]

frink_:

which is nice :)

[12:38:52]

** LLyric looks, mine is recording now **

[12:39:07]

frink_:

There is something worth recoding at 12:39 ? ;-)

[12:39:18]

** frink_ reckons LLyric is recording QVC **

[12:39:45]

LLyric:

I've not idea what it's recording, last weekends A1 Grand Prix, I think

[12:39:52]

LLyric:

It looks like <2% CPu

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frink_:

marvelous

[12:40:09]

LLyric:

and it's probably only that much because it's HD blah blah

[12:40:23]

LLyric:

Playback is another matter altogether...

[12:40:28]

frink_:

HD from DVB-T ?

[12:40:32]

LLyric:

Yup

[12:40:41]

frink_:

oh, whos broadcasting HD?

[12:40:42]

frink_:

BBC?

[12:40:55]

LLyric:

I'm in Australia

[12:40:59]

frink_:

Ahhh. :)

[12:41:06]

LLyric:

There's 5 or 6 HD free-to-air channels

[12:41:20]

frink_:

Thats nice. What receiver do you use?

[12:41:29]

LLyric:

DViCO Dual Digital

[12:41:42]

LLyric:

two tuners on a single PCI card, pretty nice.

[12:41:52]

frink_:

No point my having HD, it'll be output through a VGA-Composite converter through a crappy composite conection to my TV.. :(

[12:42:11]

LLyric:

My current display is only PAL resolution too! :/

[12:42:23]

LLyric:

I can't get my nvidia card to output HD that my TV lines, via component

[12:42:27]

frink_:

Yeah Hauppauge have one, the Nova-T 500 I think it is.

[12:42:28]

LLyric:

SO it's stuck on s-video

[12:42:47]

LLyric:

I just bought a new one, but the manufacturer went and change the chips, so v4l-dvb hasn't quite caught up yet.

[12:43:11]

frink_:

I dont even have s-video, the TV wont support it.. Oddly enough when I use a s-video to comp converter it's all black and white, duno why.

[12:43:44]

LLyric:

Probably the wrong type of PAL, or you haven't told the video card to emit s-video, and it's still trying to emit composite.

[12:43:51]

LLyric:

Change your xorg conf, easy to fix

[12:44:28]

LLyric:

Maaan, myth eats the ram if you leave it alone for a while:

[12:44:35]

frink_:

it works if i plug it into a s-video capable TV, but not through the converter.. Well NM, I have the VGA converter thig now.

[12:44:42]

LLyric:

PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND

[12:44:43]

LLyric:

712 simon 15 0 622m 161m 28m S 0 8.1 185:35.83 mythfrontend

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frink_:

LLyric: memory leak?

[12:45:11]

LLyric:

Could be, I'm running more-or-less cvs-head

[12:45:20]

frink_:

Them PCI express cards have infeasable small connectors.

[12:45:28]

frink_:

infeasably even

[12:45:39]

frink_:

looks like they will snap off or something ;-)

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juski:

time to burn some slack :)

[13:05:47]

Zider:

don't you mean "pick up the slack"?

[13:05:56]

Zider:

or "stop slacking"?

[13:05:57]

Zider:

;)

[13:06:02]

juski:

I mean dump ubuntu

[13:06:13]

Ruleke:

no risk in slack returning if you burn it ;)

[13:06:14]

juski:

er.. I mean try slackware

[13:06:24]

Ruleke:

it also destroys your safety rope though ;)

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juski:

ah fuck. the md5 hash is wrong :(

[13:10:26]

Ruleke:

it can't be :)

[13:10:41]

juski:

well it doesn't check out

[13:10:41]

Ruleke:

you mean it doesn't match ;-D

[13:10:45]

juski:

aye

[13:10:50]

juski:

smart-ass :-P

[13:10:55]

** Ruleke in the mood for pedantry **

[13:11:19]

juski:

unless this windows md5 checker is a PoS

[13:11:32]

juski:

but I'd have thought that md5 is md5 is md5

[13:11:40]

Ruleke:

yep

[13:11:43]

Zider:

should be

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Zider:

but you know ms and standards :P

[13:11:54]

Ruleke:

try the sha-1 ;)

[13:12:09]

juski:

there's an asc file, whatever the heck that is

[13:12:22]

Ruleke:

gpg signature ?

[13:12:29]

Ruleke:

idunno

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juski:

like I said.. whatever it is, I dunno

[13:13:13]

juski:

I downloaded a torrent of the slack 11 DVD from a reputable source

[13:13:19]

Ruleke:

yep: gpg --verify foo.download asc

[13:13:26]

Ruleke:

need the key though

[13:14:00]

Ruleke:

directly to the windows box ?

[13:14:13]

juski:

yeh

[13:14:21]

Ruleke:

I suppose it's possible the windows md5 thing has a large file implementation error ... ;)

[13:14:26]

Ruleke:

unlikely though

[13:15:00]

juski:

aye I'm copying the file across to my linux box

[13:15:19]

Zider:

in linux it's "gpg --verify blaha.asc blaha.tar.bz2"

[13:15:35]

juski:

my iso explorer program thinks it's all intact

[13:15:55]

Zider:

I think bittorrent has builtin checksum control

[13:16:01]

juski:

it does

[13:16:21]

juski:

so the likelihood of getting garbage is pretty slim

[13:17:01]

Ruleke:

was the md5 in the same torrent ?

[13:17:22]

Ruleke:

or on a website ? maybe you compared slightly different distro releases ? :)

[13:17:34]

juski:

md5 was in the torrent

[13:17:42]

Ruleke:

k

[13:19:40]

juski:

I'll check it to be on the safe side (the torrent I mean)

[13:23:56]

juski:

hm. azureus checks it out ok

[13:24:16]

Ruleke:

verify it with gpg :)

[13:24:51]

juski:

just running md5sum on the linux box now

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Ruleke:

hmm whatever happened to the idea of non-dvb radio channels ? does it need something like the old mythfm plugin, or are there some plans to do it differently ?

[13:26:45]

quicksilver:

my hybrid cards can receive FM radio I believe :) could be fun

[13:26:46]

juski:

mythfm got broken & AFAIK won't compile against libs newer than 0.17

[13:27:14]

juski:

you'd be better off putting an old v4l tuner with FM radio in the box & cooking up some scripts

[13:27:16]

Ruleke:

there's one for 0.18 afaict, but indeed, not much help for 0.20 :)

[13:27:52]

juski:

I think to make it work really well, integrating radio support into the scheduler would be boss :)

[13:28:04]

Ruleke:

I could do the same with this old ivtv card, it's got a v4l2 driver now if I understand correctly

[13:28:12]

juski:

well whaddya know.. linux md5sum checks it out just fine

[13:28:18]

Ruleke:

yes I suppose

[13:28:34]

Ruleke:

it shouldn't be too hard imho

[13:28:37]

juski:

go to hell, GeorgeJopling.co.uk!

[13:28:56]

Ruleke:

the dvb radio stuff has spoiled me now though

[13:29:04]

Ruleke:

and the eit parser

[13:29:11]

Ruleke:

wouldn't want to run a scraper again

[13:29:37]

juski:

yeah dvb radio is nice

[13:29:48]

juski:

even nicerer-erer with my scripticle

[13:30:15]

juski:

every radio recording I make gets automagically exported

[13:30:33]

juski:

and now I have an mp3 player, I'm a happier pixie

[13:31:31]

Ruleke:

:)

[13:31:45]

juski:

hm I suddenly remember reading that some folks thought that bit of perl fun wasn't enough for them by half

[13:32:28]

juski:

"Thanks for this script. I have used it but changed it to output pcm instead of mp3, because I burned the files to an audio CD. I used, for instance, '-acodec pcm_s16le -ar 44100 -f wav' instead of '-acodec mp3 -ab 192 -f mp3'. This should IMHO be configurable, i.e. command line option for specifying codec too. In case of pcm, the command line option 'bitrate' is then samplerate."

[13:32:32]

fryfrog:

has anyone seen an error status of 252 when transcoding? i can't even find a reference to status 252 in the source, luke :(

[13:32:50]

juski:

fryfrog: it's slightly obsfurcated, that's why ;)

[13:32:58]

fryfrog:

oic!

[13:33:10]

fryfrog:

where can i find the decoder ring?

[13:33:12]

juski:

like the base error code, then plus foobar for the actual error

[13:33:50]

fryfrog:

so like... status of 2, error 52?

[13:33:56]

fryfrog:

or 25 and 2 kind of?

[13:34:09]

juski:

more like 252 minus 230 or something

[13:34:16]

juski:

for example ;)

[13:34:34]

juski:

it prolly means mythtranscode soiled its pants

[13:34:37]

fryfrog:

oh shitskies :)

[13:35:07]

fryfrog:

can i manually run a job on cmd line do you know?

[13:35:28]

juski:

yeah

[13:35:34]

fryfrog:

i have a program with a cut list and id like to do the lossless transcode on it

[13:35:36]

juski:

mythtranscode --help will reveal all

[13:35:40]

fryfrog:

k

[13:36:06]

juski:

if it's a DVB recording, mythtranscode might be failing because the # of streams changes mid-show

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fryfrog:

ahhh

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fryfrog:

it is a dvb recording of teh HD, qam / atsc

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juski:

run it through ffmpeg -i foobar.mpg -a codec copy -b codec copy -o outputfile.mpg, IIRC

[13:36:55]

juski:

whoops

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juski:

not -b it'd be -v

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fryfrog:

that is a scan or?

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fryfrog:

to clean it up?

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juski:

you might need to do some mapping of streams too

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juski:

to clean it up

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fryfrog:

any way to just do a scan to start with?

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juski:

ffmpeg -i foobar.mpg

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juski:

where foobar is chanid_starttime.mpg

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Paladine:

Dear naked-geek,

[13:38:27]

Paladine:

Hi

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Paladine:

I have shipped the following item to you today.

[13:38:27]

Paladine:

Item title: 983 AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ TOLEDO Skt 939 Dual Core CPU

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Paladine:

:)

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fryfrog:

k

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purserj:

This is probably going to be an easy one to fix, however when I try and run mythfilldatabase I get Unknown xmltv channel identifier: [CHANNEL HERE] even though the channel exists. Any pointers would be most appreciated

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juski:

purserj: check the ~/.mythtv/foobar.xmltv file

[13:39:37]

Zider:

Paladine: just a toy ;P

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juski:

where foobar is the name you gave to the video source

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purserj:

juski: thanks

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juski:

Paladine: how muchski?

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Paladine:

132 squid

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juski:

woof.

[13:40:42]

juski:

el cheap!

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Paladine:

yeah :)

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juski:

underclock it to 2ghz & have yourself a heatsinkless CPU :)

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Paladine:

used but I have done business with the bloke before and he is sound, if he says it hasn't been oc'd it hasn't been oc'd

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juski:

(joke)

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Paladine:

and a lot cheaper than 180–200 quid for new

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juski:

yep

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juski:

ffs my mp3 player thingy also records from a line input

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juski:

not bad for 15 squids, 3 giggly hdd in it too

[13:42:48]

juski:

Ipoo doesn't do that

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Dagmar:

You're setting a bad example for the newbs by referring to them as gigglies.

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fryfrog:

http://pastebin.ca/283609

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fryfrog:

juski: does that mean anything to you?

[13:43:54]

juski:

Dagmar: as in "help! the little men who do all the work inside my conscooter have left me all alone"

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juski:

?

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Dagmar:

It probably means it's time to pull the SVN of nuvexport and ffmpeg again

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juski:

fryfrog: looks fine

[13:44:30]

juski:

only 14mbits? eew

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Dagmar:

juski: "Must supply at least one output file" looks like an error whine to me

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juski:

Dagmar: he was only after the stream infos :)

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fryfrog:

its what ever was sent over hd

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fryfrog:

does that data tell if it is 180i or 720p ?

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fryfrog:

er, 1080i i mean

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juski:

1080i

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juski:

1920x1080 :)

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Ruleke:

anyone played around with dvbsnoop before ? :)

[13:46:52]

Dagmar:

"yuv420p, 1920x1080, 38810 kb/s"

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fryfrog:

ah, spiffy

[13:47:17]

juski:

nobody's broadcasting 1080p yet are they?

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Dagmar:

Uh-oh. 29.97 fps

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fryfrog:

i don't think anyone will ever broadcast 1080p

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Dagmar:

Damn those broadcasters, shaving off frames

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Dagmar:

Anything to free up more space for commercials

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fryfrog:

i don't think there is enough bw in the ATSC specs?

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juski:

digital NTSC is always 29.97

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Dagmar:

juski: don't spoil my fun

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juski:

I read something about VHDTV a while ago

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juski:

mad resolutions at insane bitrates

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juski:

demoed in Japan

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but you have to have your own IMAX theatre to view it.

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juski:

and a bunch of very fat pipes

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juski:

here it is.. "At 7680 x 4320 pixels, Super Hi-Vision is 16 times the resolution of High Definition Television's 1920x1080 pixel resolution."

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juski:

pffffff

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fryfrog:

damn!

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juski:

framegrabber, anyone? ;)

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fryfrog:

you'd have to build a rendering farm to get your myth working on that :)

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Ruleke:

well hdtv is already below the resolution of some pc monitors :)

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juski:

uh-oh... down goes the WAF already... "Super Hi-Vision has 22.2 multichannel audio"

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fryfrog:

above you mean?

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Dagmar:

Jesus

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Dagmar:

22.2?

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fryfrog:

wow, what the hell is the .2?

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Dagmar:

I think Dolby's sampling lab only uses 18.2

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fryfrog:

2 sub woofers?

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juski:

front & back subs maybe

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fryfrog:

ah

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Ruleke:

fryfrog: below ...

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juski:

hiya stuarta

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Ruleke:

hello stuarta

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Dagmar:

For those people who don't believe that bass isn't omnidirectional enough

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stuarta:

afternoon

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eps:

mmm I have two cards installed and their drivers working (a 350 and a 310i) ... yet I can never seem to add them both to mythtv-setup

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Dagmar:

er s/don't//;

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Ruleke:

count on stuarta to come in when I start playing with dvbsnoop :)

[13:55:02]

eps:

either the 350 will be available to be installed, or the 310i will be

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stuarta:

:)

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eps:

is there some trick to many tuners?

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Ruleke:

just add them both

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juski:

eps: do both work in linux at the same time?

[13:55:34]

Dagmar:

eps: Not trying to put more than one in a slot?

[13:55:52]

Dagmar:

Not using your toes for the installation...

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eps:

hehe

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Ruleke:

stuarta: revisiting those strange scan problems on my cable network here...

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eps:

juski I'll check ... note one goes to /dev/video0 and the other video1 so I assume they aren't clashing

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Dagmar:

And definitely, at no point during the installation, should you be putting any tuner cards in your mouth.

[13:57:05]

eps:

they are crunchy!

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Ruleke:

it's not those kind of chips

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eps:

is it best to just run xawtv at both devices?

[13:57:41]

juski:

eps: you might have a problem with udev mixing em up from time to time. I know my ubuntu Diaper install liked to do that

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eps:

juski no idea; just got both drivers to play nicely together thanks to ubuntus crap header package management

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eps:

though one is v4l and the other is ivtv built against v4l so I'm assuming they will at least be friends

[13:58:52]

Dagmar:

Make liveTV favor the v4l one

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juski:

it's not really v4l

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juski:

it's dvb, innit, eps?

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eps:

that's the plan, as it's the nice shiny new 310i :)

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eps:

indeed, dvb-t I believe

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eps:

these new fangled hd tuners are confusing

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eps:

why can't people just stick with tuners from 2000...back then there was three!

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juski:

lol

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eps:

and we had to walk FIFFFTTEEEEENNNNN miles just to get the power cable to run one

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null_:

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null_:

sorry :(

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juski:

we didn't even have computers when I was a lad

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fryfrog:

juski: 2006-12–18 08:53:49.353 Couldn't open input file, error #-2

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juski:

no video capture of any kind

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eps:

so toy soldiers?

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fryfrog:

i got to like 99.1%, then threw that error

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juski:

we didn't even have a house

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eps:

bl

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juski:

fryfrog: ahh

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juski:

fryfrog: that'd be the cause of the mythtranscode bork out then

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fryfrog:

think i should try that ffmpeg thing from earlier?

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eps:

X Error of failed request: XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode

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kslater:

anyone capturing from a Dish Network HD capable Sat RX?

[14:03:11]

fryfrog:

kslater: does it have firewire?

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juski:

fryfrog: I thought that's what you were doing

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fryfrog:

oh, not yet i just wanted to see what the error was

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juski:

give it a spin but don't overwrite the original file ;)

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kslater:

fryfrog – not sure yet. Haven't seen the actual sat rx at this point.

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frink_:

has anybody got one of them Linux drambox sat rx things?

[14:08:31]

juski:

frink_: bordering on the illegal there fella

[14:08:33]

frink_:

dreambox

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frink_:

juski: how come?

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juski:

depends where you live & what you're gonna use one for

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frink_:

UK, watching sat tv..

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juski:

you can't legally use them for $ky TV, FYI

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frink_:

oh why?

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juski:

only FTA satellite

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frink_:

why not sky?

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juski:

why? cos $ky don't make a hardware CAM available for their own spec. of encripplement

[14:10:17]

frink_:

ok

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frink_:

so you can not legally use it or does it now work?

[14:10:27]

** eps waits for nvidia drivers to compile **

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juski:

nvidia drivers don't compile

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** stuarta suspects nobody else is at work **

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juski:

frink_: it's in a grey area with a non-$ky CAM

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frink_:

juski: BUt it works yeah?

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juski:

frink_: I've no idea, and if I did I wouldn't repeat it here anyway

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frink_:

heh

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frink_:

well $ky are welcome to come and find ,e

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frink_:

me

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** juski hands stuarta a book on looking busy **

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frink_:

14:10 * stuarta suspects nobody else is at work

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** frink_ is at work but not working **

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frink_:

nobody turned up to my meeting.. How deperessing..

[14:12:15]

** stuarta is watching his outbound email flow **

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frink_:

All that bloody powerpoint work and nobody bothers tuning up.

[14:12:22]

juski:

frink_: if $ky's lawyers come after mythtv it'd be the end of things as we know it

[14:12:26]

frink_:

stuarta: spammer? ;-)

[14:12:41]

stuarta:

nope.

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stuarta:

sysadmin

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frink_:

juski: Yeah that would suck.. But I neither own nor intend to own any equipment capable of receiving anything from SKY.

[14:13:06]

frink_:

stuarta: Oh, who for? ISP?

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juski:

okay. time to format c:

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stuarta:

frink_: not telling

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Ruleke:

juski: heretic

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fryfrog:

juski: ffmpeg -i foobar.mpg -a codec copy -b codec copy -o outputfile.mpg

[14:13:38]

frink_:

stuarta: Oh go on, I'll tell you if you tell me...

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** frink_ works for an ISP **

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fryfrog:

juski: the "-a" gives unrecognized option, what is the goal of -a?

[14:13:55]

GreyFoxx:

frink_: A lot of us don't give out our company names

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** stuarta doesnt **

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fryfrog:

is it -ao and -vo?

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frink_:

yeah company name is one thing, but general area of work..

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GreyFoxx:

Our lives here are not part of our company and noone wants what we do and say here to be tied to it

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stuarta:

fryfrog: think you need ffmpeg -i foobar.mpg -acodec copy -vcodec copy -o outfile.mpg

[14:14:55]

fryfrog:

ahhh

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GreyFoxx:

Plus this channel is logged and search able

[14:15:05]

GreyFoxx:

google isn't always your friend :)_

[14:15:08]

Ruleke:

:)

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frink_:

heh

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** stuarta redirects further enquires to /dev/null **

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frink_:

stuarta: Yeah but the pwned kernel module redirects /dev/null to a sekret box.

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stuarta:

!trout frink_ firewall

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** MythLogBot slaps frink_ with a firewall trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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fryfrog:

ffmpeg -i 2111_20061204205700.mpg -acodec copy -vcodec copy -o 2111_20061204205700.mpg.new yields no "-o" option, ffmpeg help implies i dont' need the -o

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stuarta:

sorry no -o :)

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fryfrog:

but *that* yields "Unable for find a suitable output format for '2111_20061204205700.mpg.new'" :"/

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stuarta:

ahah! you need to name your output file <somefile>.mpg

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stuarta:

the old extension = file type trick

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stuarta:

as perfected by M$

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fryfrog:

OHHH

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Dagmar:

The angle brackets help a lot

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fryfrog:

that worked, now i just get a lot of "[mpeg @ 0xb7f8bc30]packet too large, ignoring buffer limits to mux it"

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** quicksilver mutters about metasyntactic variables **

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** stuarta passes frink_ the hammer **

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stuarta:

fryfrog: ffmpeg bitches a lot, watch the output then judge

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stuarta:

s/output/resulting file/

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fryfrog:

ok :)

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** frink_ hammers stuarta's firewall with funny traffic **

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** stuarta watches it hit the bitbucket **

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frink_:

hmm

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frink_:

bandwidth wars then ;-)

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eps:

righto both cards can run at the same time (cat /dev/videox >> testx.mpg) works fine at the same time

[14:33:13]

eps:

interesting, now it is seeing the 310i first

[14:33:58]

eps:

gah the devices have swapped places!

[14:35:09]

eps:

would my 310i dvb-t card be considered a pcHDTV DTV capture card (w/v4l drivers)

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fryfrog:

eps: you probably want to figure out which drivers are used, then using what ever method your distro allows *lacklist* those two drivers and then load them manually in the correct order

[14:36:53]

fryfrog:

or mess around with udev

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eps:

it's using the saa7134 drivers for the 310i

[14:37:28]

eps:

though yeah I'll have to load them in order

[14:37:38]

eps:

note the saa driver is provided by v4l

[14:37:51]

eps:

so it looks like the old valid option to get the hd functions of the card I guess

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Dagmar:

lacklisting?

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** eps wonders where tv_grab_au ran off too **

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fryfrog:

sukkit, hooker :p

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juski:

gah I hate installing windows

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juski:

I know – just don't do it – ever! sadly it's not as simple as that

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fryfrog:

the vista beta install was my favorite windows install so far

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juski:

what- did they remove all the delay loops from the 'registering components' section?

[14:49:01]

fryfrog:

mainly, i think it only needed one reboot

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juski:

'creating startup menu items'... it's just a ferking COPY operation, why does it need to take 10 minutes?

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Bernardo:

hi

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eps:

hi

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juski:

eps: remember the udev mangling I spoke of earlier?

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eps:

indeed

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Paladine:

anything special I have to do to backup mythtv before a rebuild? or will mysqldump be enough?

[14:51:32]

eps:

gah downloading mythtv-themes is painful

[14:51:49]

juski:

wait til blootube-wide is incorporated

[14:51:52]

juski:

muhahahahahahahahahaha

[14:51:56]

juski:

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[14:52:13]

juski:

mmm 20 megabytes of png goodness

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eps:

juski I'm shapped (australian) to dial up speeds max 6kb/s and I'm hammering the other 50kb/s of my connection on free sources

[14:52:26]

juski:

(bloat). pretty bloat, mind you

[14:52:33]

Dagmar:

Someday we'll get through to Juski about using JPG with certain types of images

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eps:

it's going to take over four hours just to get the 14 meg

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GreyFoxx:

Paladine: I usually grab a sql dump and the ~mythtv/.mythtv directory

[14:52:44]

eps:

juski if it looks nice that'd be mad

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eps:

cause the mythtv theme is starting to look old now

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Paladine:

thanks GF

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juski:

eps: www.juski.co.uk

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Paladine:

what about restoring when i install, can I tell mythtv during the build to use an existing .sql script for builduing the db?

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juski:

for $100 AUD I'll send you a CD

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Dagmar:

Just think of what space it'll take up once it's been uncompressed and cached

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fryfrog:

does mythtranscode alter the database when you run it?

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Paladine:

or do I have to install, drop the database and the dump the backup back in?

[14:53:49]

stuarta:

Paladine: just restore the DB and tell it where it is

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fryfrog:

ie, i created a new file using it, do i need to rename it to the old one when done? or is it updating the db?

[14:53:59]

GreyFoxx:

Paladine: That would work

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Cardoe:

GreyFoxx: you gonna push some upnp fixes into 0-20-fixes?

[14:54:57]

eps:

juski was that a joke or you really charge for your themes?

[14:55:06]

GreyFoxx:

Cardoe: Yup

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GreyFoxx:

working on one right now that I found yesterday

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eps:

hey that does look nice;

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GreyFoxx:

gonna push this and 1 or 2 others in today

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stuarta:

eps: it was a joke, though i'm sure he wouldn't mind contributions

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Cardoe:

GreyFoxx: ok

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** eps book marks it some where **

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juski:

who says it was a joke?!

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** stuarta hides **

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juski:

heheh

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juski:

I'm kind of planning a 'light' version of the theme though

[14:57:58]

stuarta:

without alphas & stuff

[14:58:01]

stuarta:

?

[14:58:25]

Dagmar:

"Now with 100% less spastic flickering!"

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quicksilver:

juski: 20M of pngs is a lot... I guess it's stuff that doesn't compress well?

[14:58:32]

eps:

I love gnome-mines...it is so much better than windows mines :P

[14:58:51]

eps:

mythtv + arcade + wiimote = best mine sweeper ever!

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eps:

png is already compressed well

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Cardoe:

GreyFoxx: damn you... I waited a few days for 12172 to settle and just packaged it... oh well.

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juski:

stuarta: much smaller watermarks, for those running myth on lower RAM systems :)

[15:00:35]

Dagmar:

eps: Actually png's compression falls flat in a number of circumstances

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juski:

and 20MB is nothing compared to what the uncompressed graphics take up if you're running myth at 1920x1080

[15:00:48]

stuarta:

hehe!

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eps:

Dagmar ... as one would assume

[15:01:07]

stuarta:

gunna sit down in feb and build the GF a myth box for her house :)

[15:01:35]

quicksilver:

eps: png is compressed well only if it's data that png-compresses well

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quicksilver:

eps: that is why I asked

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Ruleke:

bah I'm lost in the dvbsnoop stuff :) when I add a transport in myth and I scan it, myth creates a new transport and links the channels to it... I just don't know where the information for this "new" transport comes from... I'm looking at the PMT data now

[15:02:01]

eps:

okay; just out of interest why did two people feel the need to state the blatant?

[15:02:01]

quicksilver:

continuous tone images (like photos) compress very poorly in png

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eps:

one person thats fine...two people, I almost feel like flaming you two

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quicksilver:

because you appeared to misunderstand me

[15:02:22]

Dagmar:

Because you seemed to be exhibiting blind faith in png compression

[15:02:36]

Dagmar:

I don't want anything to do with you and your flamingness.

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eps:

Dagmar it was a generalisation like "bz2 compresses well"

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juski:

for one thing jpeg doesn't support transparency

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fryfrog:

2006-12–18 09:56:35.110 Couldn't open input file, error #-2

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quicksilver:

the subtext for my message was that 20M seems like a lot and I was wondering if png was the right format

[15:02:56]

fryfrog:

weird, i got to 99.8% this time, after running the ffmpeg thing

[15:02:57]

Dagmar:

eps: no, it wasn't.

[15:02:57]

juski:

jpeg200 does, but I have no idea if myth supports that or not

[15:03:02]

quicksilver:

juski: I had a nasty feeling that might be the answer

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GreyFoxx:

Cardoe: hehe Sorry :)

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eps:

Dagmar I wrote it and I know the undertones i wrote into it. are you correcting me on some thing I said?

[15:03:31]

Dagmar:

yep. I'm sayin' you're wrong.

[15:03:33]

GreyFoxx:

I would have done it on the weekend but my Daughter kept me busy :)

[15:03:55]

Dagmar:

For photorealistic images, JPG still generally does a better job.

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eps:

I'm not an idiot and I'm very ware that all compression systems have weaknesses and are specifically optimised for the file/data types they work on

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Dagmar:

PNG fails miserably with photorealistic images

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eps:

and I never said anything in general about that

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eps:

I just said that PNG compresses well

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eps:

it is a generalisation

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Dagmar:

I said something pretty specific, so what's your problem?

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quicksilver:

14:59 < eps> png is already compressed well

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** quicksilver shrugs **

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eps:

png has inbuilt compression; and it works rather well

[15:04:55]

eps:

thus a generalisation

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juski:

png only uses zlib compression

[15:05:05]

quicksilver:

png has inbuilt compression; and it works extremely poorly

[15:05:09]

quicksilver:

another generalisation

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Dagmar:

And I said something specific citing an exception condition. Again, what's your problem/

[15:05:13]

quicksilver:

but mine is better than yours :P

[15:05:31]

quicksilver:

I made a valid point about juski's theme being a rather large download

[15:05:38]

quicksilver:

he's explained to me why (transparency)

[15:05:43]

juski:

anyway I'm gonna see if myth actually WILL support jpeg200, and if it does I'll go with that

[15:05:44]

quicksilver:

but I think we all agree it's not really optimal

[15:05:58]

quicksilver:

would certainly be nice to have it properly compressed if it's possible

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Ruleke:

speaking about compression... they made one of the first digital movies here in the country, and it seems they are standardizing on jpeg2000 compression... strange

[15:06:13]

Dagmar:

juski: Or, you could just take a crack at making the edges of the watermark images blend with the background

[15:06:20]

juski:

compare how it looks against other themes & I reckon the extra size is justified

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stuarta:

Ruleke: transport info comes from the NIT & PAT

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juski:

I'm changing NOWT that doesn't suit me, so fuck all the moaners

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Ruleke:

stuarta: weird thing is, for another transport, it does the same, but the channels are still linked to the original mplexid...

[15:07:29]

Dagmar:

juski: It's all good. We'll recompress it and add more titties.

[15:07:30]

stuarta:

i suspect you have broken tables being broadcast.

[15:08:02]

Dagmar:

Everyone likes titties.

[15:08:19]

** stuarta becomes distracted **

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juski:

I could always go take my ball home again & delete the tarballs :-P

[15:09:15]

stuarta:

didn't Dagmar just offer to make boobtube-wide?

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frink_:

Are there any UK mythtv-users meetups?

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stuarta:

last one was linux uk @olympia

[15:09:55]

juski:

only at expos

[15:10:12]

stuarta:

where we wipe the floor with MCE

[15:10:24]

juski:

there'll probably be another chance to exhibit at lugradiolive next year but I'm not going

[15:10:39]

stuarta:

juski: too hard basket?

[15:11:22]

juski:

too much like friggin' work

[15:11:26]

juski:

:)

[15:12:22]

juski:

I prefer the social aspect to the actual show stuff though, so I may yet be swayed again

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** Dagmar goes hunting for the Girls Gone Wild font. **

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juski:

you could always use that jpg someone posted a link to earlier

[15:13:48]

Dagmar:

That would be wrong.

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juski:

it'd match the default ubuntu desktop

[15:14:07]

Dagmar:

Right now my problem is going to be finding somewhere to host the theme. heh

[15:14:15]

Dagmar:

Maybe Rapidshare or something

[15:14:32]

juski:

I could host it for you. got loads of space

[15:14:58]

Dagmar:

I'll worry about it if I don't lose my nerve

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Dagmar:

Finding pictures of breasts on the internet == pretty easy

[15:15:34]

Dagmar:

It's easier than finding drugs at a high school dance

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juski:

ah but free, open source breasts...

[15:16:05]

** juski shuffles off to start work on bukkake-wide **

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Dagmar:

euwww

[15:16:31]

juski:

or legs-wide

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Ruleke:

goatse wide

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Dagmar:

I wonder if it would be considered cheating to use vitual titties

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Dagmar:

s/vitual/virtual/;

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stuarta:

why not titual!

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juski:

friend of mine once commented on his disappointment of downloading a stash of pr0n & it turned out to be made in Poser

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juski:

so maybe that's the answer

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Dagmar:

Computer science, medical science... it's not like the stuff I'm going to be looking for would be considered natural anyway

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eps:

I'm gettig the following when I scan for channels: 2006-12–19 01:20:35.856 pcHDTV::GetSignal_v4l1(fd 11, input 1, v4l2): error(Invalid argument)

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eps:

no channels come up and no signal to noise info either

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Ryushin:

I just did a channel scan for ATSC OTA, and I got something new called updatTV, anyone heard of this?

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stuarta:

probably a shopping channel

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Dagmar:

All up in dat, all de time

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crudpuppy:

anyone know if these compusa brand tuners work?

[15:35:56]

crudpuppy:

with myth that is

[15:35:57]

crudpuppy:

lol

[15:36:04]

Dagmar:

No.

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Dagmar:

CompUSA-brand anything is shit.

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juski:

so, about this UK MUG meeting then

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juski:

there's never been one cos nobody has ever organised one

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stuarta:

MUG. hehe

[15:41:18]

juski:

find a place, announce it & turn up

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juski:

oh fack. I just nominated myself

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Ruleke:

I've created my own MUG

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Ruleke:

just install myth at every friend's home

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juski:

heh. might not be such a bad idea.. then it'd be in Manchester :-P

[15:53:29]

Paladine:

juski did you catch Hogfather last night?

[15:53:37]

juski:

nah

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Dagmar:

Hogfather?

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stuarta:

any good?

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Paladine:

yeah it was damn fine

[15:53:53]

Paladine:

can't wait for the second part tonight

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Dagmar:

As in Discworld Hogfather?

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juski:

don't worry it'll be repeated

[15:53:58]

Paladine:

yes

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Dagmar:

Hol-eee shit

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** Paladine has it captured at 5164kb/s ;) **

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stuarta:

it'll be a long wait till it hits terrestrial :(

[15:56:37]

Dagmar:

Damnit the torrent people are all lazy now

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Paladine:

I would be suprised if it hasn't hit the torrent sites yet

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Paladine:

I would have expected it to be under high demand

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Dagmar:

I have a monthly budget for DVD purchases, so of course the damn thing isn't available for purchase

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Paladine:

itwon't be for a while

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Paladine:

last night was the world premier afaik

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Paladine:

if you are lucky they may push it straight out to dvdin the new year

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juski:

may I just remind folks that talking about illegal activities here is er.. not good sport

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Paladine:

we aren't talking about illegal activities

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juski:

apart from downloading torrents of tv shows, no

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Paladine:

downloading tv shows is not illegal in the UK

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Paladine:

only distributing is (ie uploading)

[16:00:38]

juski:

think you'll find it is

[16:01:01]

Paladine:

I think you'll find that as someone who got sued by the MPAA for 150M USD, I know a little bit about what I am talking about :)

[16:01:48]

juski:

what happened with that anyway?

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Paladine:

as far as I know, I have won

[16:02:12]

Paladine:

no noise from the court in over a year

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juski:

and the associated press about it was where?

[16:02:21]

Paladine:

no letters from the MPAA in the same time frame

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Paladine:

yeah right and you think the MPAA are going to publicise the judge telling them where to go?

[16:02:53]

juski:

I'd not be counting chickens just yet

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Paladine:

all I know is they applied for a deault judgement in november last year

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Paladine:

and I have heard nothing

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Paladine:

which means 1 of two possibilities

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Paladine:

the judge told them to get lost

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Paladine:

or they dropped the case

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Paladine:

because if a judgement had been made I would have had a notification from the court

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juski:

nyway my point is that it's not legal _everywhere_, so we don't encourage it

[16:04:12]

juski:

nor do we condone it

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Paladine:

downloading is actually only illegal in a minority of countries

[16:04:47]

Paladine:

distributing is the illegal part

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Dagmar:

People can still be sued tho, obviously.

[16:05:20]

juski:

which is what you help to do when you use torrents

[16:05:21]

Paladine:

and even distributing is on very dubious foundations in the UK

[16:05:25]

Dagmar:

Mainly I'm peeved that a) I knew nothing about this until now and b) I have money, and money won't spend

[16:05:34]

Paladine:

since UK copyright law only onsiders distributing copies of an original as illegal

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Paladine:

not copies of copies

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frink_:

So it is not theft just a violation of copyright law.

[16:05:53]

janneg:

but p2p doesn't work if a majority doesn't distribute

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Paladine:

frink, no it is not theft

[16:06:11]

juski:

anyway – it's off-topic so change the subject please

[16:06:13]

Paladine:

it is copyright infringement

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Paladine:

a civil tort

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Paladine:

not a criminal act

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frink_:

Paladine: Indeed.

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frink_:

despite what the MPAA or whoever would have you believe.

[16:06:44]

Paladine:

commercial distribution is criminal

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frink_:

"you wouldnt steal a car.." etc

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juski:

enough!

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Paladine:

commercial distribution is coveredunder counterfeiting law though

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frink_:

So what I dont get is in these countries where you pay an iPOD tax, does that mean you can freely download stuff since you paid for it in your tax?

[16:07:19]

Paladine:

as opposed to much weaker copyright law

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GreyFoxx:

Any linkplayer2 upnp users around ?

[16:09:01]

GreyFoxx:

And just as a giggle for those admins out there. This is an email I received from a user the other day in response to my asking for clarifications about he exactly "my pc feels slower" meant

[16:09:05]

GreyFoxx:

http://pastebin.ca/283752

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frink_:

Paladine: What do you think of the tax issue

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Paladine:

well I think anyone who buys an ipod is an idiot so they deserve to be taxed ;)

[16:09:38]

Paladine:

but thats just my personal opinion ;)

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frink_:

rofl

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juski:

that damn 'idle' process

[16:10:19]

frink_:

GreyFoxx: Yeah I have that System Idle Process too, how do I kill it? Is it a virus?

[16:10:34]

frink_:

GreyFoxx: McAffee does not find anything..

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Paladine:

complaining about royalty taxes when you are supporting the biggest seller of drm'd crap on the planet is just a little ridiculous in my eyes

[16:10:50]

frink_:

Paladine: yeah but..

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Paladine:

no buts

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juski:

no but

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juski:

yeah but

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frink_:

Hmm, I can not kill the system idle process here...

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Paladine:

its like voting for a referendum that will increase income tax to 50% and then complaining that income tax is too high

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juski:

I can

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frink_:

juski: You can, cool, how? is it a virus?

[16:12:25]

juski:

I turn the conscooter off & the little idle man goes to sleep

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GreyFoxx:

heheh

[16:12:44]

GreyFoxx:

I mean COME ON use some common sense people!

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frink_:

I just got a few other people to check here, we all have this system idle process. It must be a virus thats infected the whole network here. It's on every bit of pc hardware not running Linux..

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Paladine:

frink_, but as regards media taxes in general which are setup for royalty purposes, there is good and bad to it

[16:13:04]

GreyFoxx:

I laughed so hard I almost peed myself

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juski:

if the little men in the box catch a cold or 'flu, that can really affect you. that's dem dar viruses

[16:13:15]

frink_:

Paladine: Yeah, but the question is, if you paid a media tax, do you get to freely download stuff?

[16:13:15]

Paladine:

firstly on the good side, it has proved a useful defence in more than on litigation

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chris__:

I've tried to google this but still a little confused.... could my backend be io botlenecked during db updates? ridiculous, possible or unlikely

[16:13:25]

Paladine:

s/on/one

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frink_:

GreyFoxx: See your blessed users do provide good entertainment.

[16:13:50]

chris__:

just backend and sql server....

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Paladine:

there was a case last year in France where the defendent won inthe court of appeals in an MPAA lawsuit, because they had paid the royalty tax

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Paladine:

but bad side is of course, that not enough countries behave the same as france on this issue

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juski:

I buy anything worth listening to, which frankly doesn't equate to much these days

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Paladine:

I buy my music on allofmp3.com

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juski:

yeah and that benefits the original artists _how_ exactly?

[16:15:41]

Paladine:

GreyFoxx> I laughed so hard I almost peed myself <-- ??? what I miss?

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GreyFoxx:

<GreyFoxx> http://pastebin.ca/283752

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GreyFoxx:

read that

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Ryushin:

Does the ATSC scanning need a underscore or a dash for proper hookups with zap2it?

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GreyFoxx:

I got that from one of my users on Friday whcih I didn't see until today since I was off friday

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seth|laptop:

Ryushin: I don't use either

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Paladine:

juski, the royalties distribution agency in russia who are supposed to distribute the royalties are no bigger thieves than the RIAA

[16:16:35]

Paladine:

so I have no issue

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seth|laptop:

just the number i.e 8_1 I use as 81

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juski:

anyway this talk of legal vs illegal will only draw attention to the channel in the logs, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it might be...

[16:16:54]

GreyFoxx:

They had compained about their PC (and printer *shakes head* ) as slow, so I asked for clarification and specifics about what seemed slow.... that was the reply I got

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Ryushin:

Paladine: Okay, so how do you get your listings?

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Paladine:

Ryushin, ?

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Ryushin:

How do you get your program guide?

[16:17:56]

Paladine:

Greyfoxx, hehehe nice :)

[16:18:03]

juski:

tv_grab_uk_rt, like a lot of folks in the UK, prolly

[16:18:03]

Paladine:

Ryushin, in mythtv?

[16:18:20]

Paladine:

no I don't have myth handling listing at the moment

[16:18:24]

Paladine:

I do manual scheduling

[16:18:38]

Paladine:

my blaster is not plugged in

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Ryushin:

Oh, okay.

[16:19:40]

Paladine:

GreyFoxx, you have bashed that right?

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Ryushin:

Well, does anyone else have any insight if a dash or underscore is needed. Or none at all.

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Paladine:

hey torg dude

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Paladine:

ltns

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|Torg|:

hey

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|Torg|:

Ive been traveling, I was in Californai all last week

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Paladine:

brb missus needs a hand

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|Torg|:

whats been up?

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|Torg|:

anyone here use/know about/seen a syba raid card?

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chris__:

does antone have their lirc remote using ctrl characters ie ctrl-b (jump to begining) lirc docs list it as B but I cannot get them to work...

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|Torg|:

is teh escape char

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|Torg|:

are you sure whatever is the ctrl char is simply not proniting?

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|Torg|:

B would litteraly mean "B"

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Dagmar:

proniting?

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|Torg|:

yes similar to printing, but only in my world :P

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chris__:

so how would I send ctrl-b

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chris__:

??

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|Torg|:

ill guess its ^B

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|Torg|:

that would be ctrl-shift-b

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|Torg|:

I would wonder, if you are using a keyboard why you are attpting to use it with lirc

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chris__:

because my keyboard doesn't reach the couch

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chris__:

and it has too many keys (confuses the wife)

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|Torg|:

ok so why not map another key to that functionality

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|Torg|:

I think you have how lirc works a bit backwards tho

[16:28:20]

chris__:

well I was trying to keep the keys in myth somewhat standard...

[16:28:28]

juski:

use xmodmap then

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|Torg|:

it takes keys in (they are bit code, dependant on protocal) and map it to funcionality

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|Torg|:

keypresses are irelivant

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chris__:

and that leaves just control characters

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|Torg|:

what do you plan on using as a remote?

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chris__:

hauppage grey remote

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chris__:

like 45 keys or so....

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|Torg|:

and the standard hauppage conf file does not work?

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chris__:

should be usable

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chris__:

no

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Paladine:

back

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Paladine:

what were you doing in cali dude? anything nice?

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|Torg|:

sure, teaching an enginner how to do his job

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|Torg|:

REAL nice, we call it QA

[16:30:32]

Paladine:

hehehe

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Paladine:

so when you gonna hire me dude?

[16:30:50]

|Torg|:

get a work visa

[16:30:54]

Paladine:

:)

[16:31:03]

Paladine:

oh I just bought a nice piece of kit today

[16:31:23]

Paladine:

you seen this torg http://www.heenan.me.uk/control-sky-from-pc/

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quicksilver:

I can control the sky from my pc

[16:31:40]

quicksilver:

sudo make-it-rain

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quicksilver:

sudo bring-on-the-sun

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stuarta:

sudo set temp=hot

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Dagmar:

Typical ubuntu users

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stuarta:

where?

[16:32:24]

Dagmar:

Using the most complex tool without knowing how it actually works

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|Torg|:

ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /ev/sprinkler

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|Torg|:

ln -s /dev/ttyS1 /dev/sunlamp

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|Torg|:

sure I can change the waether :)

[16:32:47]

stuarta:

cat /dev/random > /dev/weather

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Paladine:

dagmar is just bitter because he missed Hogfather :p

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Dagmar:

su – echo "rain" > /dev/weather

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|Torg|:

so Paladine what is this thing a combo ir/rf?

[16:33:31]

Paladine:

aye mate

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Paladine:

to usb

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Dagmar:

Only noobs use sudo as an alias for root shells

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Paladine:

sends the ir control codes down the rf lead

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Paladine:

much less error prone than an IR Blaster

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Paladine:

and leaves my serial port free for my router console :)

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|Torg|:

heheh the only diffence really is do I flash the led or do I flip the RF

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Paladine:

yeah but the rf signal works every time

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|Torg|:

I dont think any of then encode or decode much they just connect the led whatever to the signal lie and let it go

[16:35:11]

Paladine:

the LED doesn't

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Paladine:

and LED is effected by distance too

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|Torg|:

usuauly thats nothign more then the time you leave the led on, some caps can fix that

[16:35:43]

|Torg|:

use two :)

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Paladine:

plus the rf kit has a purdy shiny black box

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|Torg|:

OH you dindt say shiny box, dude GET IT!!!!

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Paladine:

and an activity light

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Paladine:

that flashes red

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|Torg|:

im just thinkgin for $80 I can buy another rf keyboard

[16:37:10]

Paladine:

torg, I managed to get an Silverstone LC10S too

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|Torg|:

but hey, its your setup

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Paladine:

for the new htpc

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|Torg|:

did that asshole finaly cave in, or did you get it from antoehr source?

[16:37:51]

Paladine:

no I ended up winning the auction at 1.00more than the original buy now

[16:37:59]

Paladine:

so I just went with it in the end

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Dagmar:

huh?

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Dagmar:

How did you manage to pay *more*?

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|Torg|:

he bidded, not clicke ht ebuy it now button

[16:38:30]

Paladine:

because I bid by mistake instead of clicking on the buy now

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Paladine:

which automatically cancelled the buy now

[16:38:37]

Dagmar:

Something broke then

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|Torg|:

then some moron overbid him and refused to pay

[16:38:44]

Paladine:

and the seller wouldn't cancel my bid

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Dagmar:

It's supposed to flip the bid into an outright purchase

[16:39:12]

Paladine:

yeah that what I assumed

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Paladine:

and was the first thing I tried

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|Torg|:

Dagmar I agree, but Ive seen the same thing hapen beofre

[16:39:22]

Paladine:

setting my max bid to the buy now price

[16:39:25]

Paladine:

but it didn't work

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Dagmar:

It used to

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|Torg|:

I dont know if its how the auciton is setup, ebay fucking up one again, or some other thing

[16:39:54]

|Torg|:

most of the time it works, sometimes it dosnt

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Paladine:

but ebay support said it would be ok for the auction owner to reset the auction so I could buy now

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Paladine:

and the ass refused

[16:40:40]

Dagmar:

I'd have walked on general principle

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Dagmar:

If you didn't win you weren't obligated

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Paladine:

yeah but I already had the buy now price as my maximum bid

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Paladine:

if I retracted the bid, it would have gone against my account

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|Torg|:

then I wouldnt have paid that last pound

[16:41:26]

Dagmar:

It shoudln't do that unless you win the bid.

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Paladine:

I was winning the bid

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Dagmar:

You didn't win. You were no longer obligated the moment someone outbid you.

[16:41:58]

|Torg|:

Paladine I have negative feadback in mine, from clusless slellers whos checkout dosnt work...hasnt hurt me one bit

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juski:

fuck me!

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Dagmar:

...and you can also dispute negative feedback left over something like that.

[16:42:20]

Paladine:

plus if I had walked I would have had to find an alternative

[16:42:24]

Dagmar:

Ebay would just flush the bad rating

[16:42:25]

Paladine:

which would have been even more delays

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juski:

I just installed the nero premium thingy someone gave me & myth's UpNp works with it!

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|Torg|:

ebay dosnt flush the bad rating, but you can dispute it

[16:42:58]

** mishehu flushes the buffers and the toilet. **

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Dagmar:

They will remove ratings that are successfully disputed

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Paladine:

yeah both parties have to agree to have a rating flushed

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|Torg|:

juski you PAID for nero promium you mean

[16:43:23]

Paladine:

whats nero premium?

[16:43:35]

mishehu:

nero the cd burning software?

[16:43:36]

Dagmar:

The expensive version of Nero

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|Torg|:

a license key to nero7 that allowws some av stuff

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juski:

all-singing, all dancing media app for windows

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|Torg|:

like the uPNP hes talking about

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mishehu:

Dagmar: oooh is it laced with gold? ;-)

[16:43:53]

Dagmar:

Most importantly it lets you make DVD menus that are more than one screen deep.

[16:44:18]

juski:

I had it lying around, never tried it

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** |Torg| thinks juski is just screwing arround tho, Upnp has worked for over a month **

[16:44:25]

Dagmar:

With the OEM version you get with a DVD burner, your menus can be exactly one level deep. The docs *talk* about making submenus, but the things they refer to to create the submenus don't exist.

[16:44:58]

Dagmar:

Yeah, it works great if you don't have an xbox. ;)

[16:45:05]

juski:

my beef is, I'd heard tell it worked with this nero thing but hadn't tried it

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|Torg|:

xbox works fine

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|Torg|:

xbox360 does not

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juski:

it does timestretch too

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Paladine:

I only ever used sonic scenarist for dvd authoring in windows

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|Torg|:

althogh I can get the 360 to see the mythbackend it donst exactly work

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Paladine:

which since it is the industry standard for commercial dvds, does everything :)

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juski:

jees. playback starts way faster than mythfrontend

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juski:

just a damn shame the UI sucks arse

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Paladine:

juski, for dvd playback?

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Paladine:

probably because it is not hacking through the POS that is css

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|Torg|:

that juski and I perfer to sit on the couch not my office chair

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juski:

no, for MYTHTV playback

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juski:

select a recording & playback is instant

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juski:

not the 5 second wait I get on my FE

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|Torg|:

hes talking about using his PC, ala uPNP to browse and talk to myth

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|Torg|:

if you like I can show you how to make your backend show up in netowrk enighboirhoos

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juski:

what makes mythtv take so long?

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|Torg|:

I can make the thing show up on the 360 but it wont work without a registration servedr

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|Torg|:

take so long for what?

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juski:

my frontend sits there for about 5 secs just doing nowt when I start to play a recording

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|Torg|:

sounds like a frontend issue

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juski:

always has

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|Torg|:

mine takes about 10 seconds, its noticable but not too bad

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juski:

10 secs?!

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juski:

ffs

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juski:

what's it doing?

[16:51:27]

juski:

that's my point ;)

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|Torg|:

yes if you watch a recorded program the screen goes balnk an in about 10 seoconds shows picture

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juski:

mine doesn't take _that_ long

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jams:

wow mine is just about instant

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|Torg|:

for about 5 seconds more the sound will pop untill it settles down

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|Torg|:

ill assume its fiulling buffers

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juski:

wonder what the difference is

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|Torg|:

HDTV?

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juski:

nope

[16:52:41]

juski:

my FE has always taken that long anyway, whether minimyth, ubuntu, knoppmyth....

[16:52:44]

|Torg|:

mine does it when goign to certain places, like optical disks too

[16:52:52]

|Torg|:

mostly its just a "feature" I live with

[16:53:12]

juski:

yeah me too but seeing how quick it is over upnp has opened my eyes

[16:53:34]

|Torg|:

well that has allot to do with the fact teh AV layer of your PC is already started

[16:53:53]

juski:

xine doesn't take that long

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|Torg|:

so to play a picture on X I have to load libs, rendering etc, then fill the buffers, etc

[16:54:23]

|Torg|:

code bloat is what I atribute it to, but its not anything that keeps me up at night

[16:54:37]

|Torg|:

Ive notived from .18 to now it take longer and longer

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juski:

all this pansying around from folks demanding multiple stream recording when there are improvements to be made in core functionality first ;)

[16:54:59]

|Torg|:

mostly it goes in the anecdotal column

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juski:

I'll see what it's like when I've got slack on there

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** stuarta concurs with juski **

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|Torg|:

the only "core" functionality I want is for it to be able to do something else while its ripping cds/dvds

[16:55:56]

crudpuppy:

why does my 2.6.19 kernel NOT have the CONFIG_VIDEO_CX88 flag in it???

[16:56:04]

juski:

I've never actually _looked_ at what it's doing when the 5s pause happens

[16:56:05]

crudpuppy:

I'm confused as the search in menuconfig shows it

[16:56:09]

crudpuppy:

but the .config doesnt have it

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juski:

but it's difficult when I'm cosy on the couch

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|Torg|:

nor have I juski

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stuarta:

did you turn off v4l ???

[16:56:52]

crudpuppy:

no

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crudpuppy:

its on

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juski:

I'll take a looksee at what it does during the pause later in the week I fink

[16:57:19]

crudpuppy:

I'm thinking my kernel config is hosed...somehow

[16:57:25]

crudpuppy:

guess I'll reemerge

[16:57:48]

juski:

sometimes other stuff unblocks config features

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dansmith:

does anyone in here export recordings to DVD successfully?

[16:58:06]

|Torg|:

its unde the v4l drivers as stuarta asked

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juski:

from DVB? you must be joking. yet more I need to report back on

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dansmith:

myth claims success, but the disc is unreadable even in a computer

[16:58:46]

crudpuppy:

|Torg|: thats what wierd....if I do / to find it it does, but when I go under v4l adapters its not there

[16:58:55]

crudpuppy:

and its not in the .config

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juski:

no point having a GUI if you need to run ffmpeg on the files first ;)

[16:59:15]

|Torg|:

I *think* you have to patch the dvb code to the kernel too

[16:59:26]

|Torg|:

im osrta wondering why you are goign though all of this tho

[16:59:33]

juski:

nah a lot of dvb drivers are already in the kernel

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crudpuppy:

|Torg|: trying to get it as part of the kernel....I guess I'm doing the right thing

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|Torg|:

isnt CONFIG_VIDEO_CX88 a dvb-t card driver?

[17:00:15]

juski:

and even when they're not you can normally build driver moduless against a given kernel without too much trouble

[17:00:33]

stuarta:

the CX88 is also used in analog devices

[17:00:34]

juski:

no it's plain v4l but includes dvb

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juski:

also mpeg2 encoders now :)

[17:01:13]

juski:

e.g. pvr2000 card like I've got lying around waiting to do some more module testing on

[17:01:19]

crudpuppy:

yeah, its for one of those cheapo norwood micro cards

[17:01:22]

|Torg|:

juski was it you that was telling me about PCI vs PCI-X?

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juski:

doubt it

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|Torg|:

oh well someone was, my MB dosnt have PCI-X just plain PCI but its suposedly backwards compatable

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|Torg|:

I just wanted to know what I was in for if I try

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juski:

boom!

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|Torg|:

im looking at a $40 SiI3124 card thats PCI-X for my BE thats all PCI and one AGP. It does raid 5 and im sorta skeptical of it.

[17:03:25]

stuarta:

it's theoretically posssible to put PCI-X into PCI

[17:03:49]

|Torg|:

Im thinking its like that by design stuarta , but im not sure

[17:03:56]

stuarta:

but the layout of your MB often makes it impossible

[17:04:14]

seth|laptop:

my pci-x slot is quite a bit smaller than my pci slots

[17:04:15]

|Torg|:

there is room, I put long SCSI cards in it before

[17:04:24]

|Torg|:

pci-E or pci-X

[17:04:29]

stuarta:

seth|laptop: that's your pci-e slot

[17:04:32]

seth|laptop:

ah

[17:04:51]

seth|laptop:

the black on is small, the brown one is about the same size

[17:05:05]

|Torg|:

PCI, PCI-X, PCI-E. PCI is sorta 1.0, PCI-X is sorta 2.0, PCI-E is totaly differnt

[17:05:36]

|Torg|:

everything I read tells me PCI-X cards can go into a PCI slotted MB

[17:05:44]

stuarta:

PCI comes in 33Mhz 66Mhz. PCI-X is 133Mhz & 166Mhz IIRC

[17:05:53]

|Torg|:

but the PCI slot is missing a row the PCI-X card has

[17:06:08]

stuarta:

yup, it was designed that way.

[17:06:11]

|Torg|:

the PCI-X Im lookng at is 66mhz so aparently they come in both

[17:06:37]

|Torg|:

the only differnce i Cna see is PCI is 5v, PCI-X is 3v, but the cards are suposed to sence what bus there on and adjust

[17:06:46]

stuarta:

the thing to check is if you have any badly located capacitors that would block the overhanging card

[17:07:01]

|Torg|:

seems sorta strang I would plug the card in half way tho

[17:07:03]

seth|laptop:

my board has 2xPCI 1xPCI-Ex1 1xPCI-Ex16

[17:07:08]

seth|laptop:

how does that translate

[17:07:11]

stuarta:

and also your MB should do PCI in 5V or 3.3V

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|Torg|:

seth tranlsate to what?

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stuarta:

seth|laptop: 2 standard pci 3 x pci express

[17:07:41]

seth|laptop:

PCI-X, or are they both pci-e

[17:07:55]

stuarta:

pci-e

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|Torg|:

the 2xPCI I dont know

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|Torg|:

the rest are PCI-E

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|Torg|:

the x16 port is its own bus

[17:08:11]

seth|laptop:

so there are no pci-x

[17:08:13]

stuarta:

2xpci are standard pci

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|Torg|:

the others are usualy tied to one or two more

[17:08:20]

stuarta:

seth|laptop: nope

[17:08:29]

seth|laptop:

ok

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|Torg|:

the PCI is via a bridge chip, ill assume yo hav more then one PCI bus

[17:08:41]

|Torg|:

but without seeing the MB I cant be sure

[17:09:00]

seth|laptop:

its a biostar GeForce 6100 -M9

[17:09:05]

|Torg|:

the main issue is PCI-E is so differnt from PCI and PCI-X it shouldnt be called PCI

[17:09:17]

Cardoe:

AGP-E

[17:09:24]

Dagmar:

If you had to really, really force the PCI card into the slot, it's because it was keyed for the other voltage

[17:09:32]

Dagmar:

You may now use it to scrape ice off your car windshield.

[17:09:58]

|Torg|:

Dagmar I havnt even gotten the card yet, its a $40 raid 5 card that there had GOT to be a catch

[17:10:10]

Dagmar:

it was made by Promise probably

[17:10:13]

|Torg|:

other riad 5 cards I see go for over $400

[17:10:30]

|Torg|:

silicon graphics really

[17:10:34]

Dagmar:

I've got this wonderful illustration here in the office that perfectly demonstrates their problem

[17:10:49]

|Torg|:

and its packaged by a company called SYBA I never heard of before

[17:11:06]

|Torg|:

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=AA52880

[17:11:46]

|Torg|:

ok seth you have two busses, one is the x16 the others are all aon teh same bus

[17:12:01]

|Torg|:

id assume the PCI is bridged to the PCI-E bus somehow

[17:12:13]

stuarta:

|Torg|: looks okay, how's the kernel support tho???

[17:12:30]

|Torg|:

dunno silicon graphcis has all kinds of linux drivers

[17:12:41]

|Torg|:

most surely im not the first person to find this tho

[17:15:27]

|Torg|:

im thiking 3x WD 5000KS drivers, one raid 5 card and 3 remable SATA treys with fans

[17:15:43]

|Torg|:

it should give me 1TB of raid 5

[17:16:09]

|Torg|:

since I am writing large block IO I dont really give a damn about stripe size or read/modify/write

[17:16:25]

|Torg|:

and it *should* be ok, but I dont know about speed of the chips, etc

[17:16:45]

** seth|laptop <insert sound of homer simpson drooling> mmm 1TB RAID 5 **

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TimothyP:

Hi, I have lots of hard disks with lots of space, but I can't get LVM to work on ubuntu and well I'm not exactly getting any help. So I'm wondering will mythtv be able to place recorded data on another harddrive (folder) if a certain one is full ?

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stuarta:

TimothyP: yes, if you run current SVN you can now specify multiple disks

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|Torg|:

no TimothyP if it cant write to teh current filesystem not only will it not work it will crash, very badly

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** stuarta suspects |Torg| is confusing himself **

[17:18:16]

** seth|laptop had that happen once when the mysql.log file got too big **

[17:18:18]

** |Torg| is always confused **

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** stuarta suspects seth|laptop is confused as well **

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|Torg|:

TimothyP what stuarta is telling you is to use LVM to expand the drive and make a virutal drive you can format and mount

[17:19:07]

stuarta:

no i,m not

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|Torg|:

what I am telling you is that there is no way to define an "alternate failover" filesystem

[17:19:16]

seth|laptop:

but by default unless otherwise instructed, myth will delete recordings to make room, unless "auto-expire" is not specified

[17:19:25]

stuarta:

option 1) lvm for a mega disk

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|Torg|:

ok stuarta , i TOLD you I was confused :P

[17:19:43]

stuarta:

option 1b) use a raid controller like |Torg|

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|Torg|:

yes seth thats what happend to me, I decided to sql the recording schedues and someome unmarked auto-exire on each and every one

[17:20:06]

stuarta:

option 2) use svn head, and specify multiple disks

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stuarta:

AKA storage groups :)

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stuarta:

using -fixes you are limited to options 1 & 1b

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** |Torg| blames stuarta for unmarking all his recordings auto-expire **

[17:22:27]

|Torg|:

so how do storage gorups work?

[17:22:28]

Bernardo:

about upnp – I've read that it is broken in 0.20, is that true?

[17:22:38]

|Torg|:

yes and no Bernardo

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|Torg|:

its not broke, just many players are

[17:23:05]

Bernardo:

well, mine is probably broken

[17:23:19]

Bernardo:

it's a DSM320RD and dlink won't release the source for the main apps

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|Torg|:

why becase your xbox360 fails to recognise myth?

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GreyFoxx:

berd: I've used a Dlink DSM-320 (not RD) without any troubles

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xris:

|Torg|: storage groups are basically a way for you to tell mythtv to use multiple disks/directories for storing files.

[17:23:50]

|Torg|:

my dlink sees, plays, and uses the BE just fine (apart from it cant play HD)

[17:23:55]

GreyFoxx:

I'm getting one for my dad for XMas so I can try it again

[17:24:05]

Bernardo:

those are good news

[17:24:12]

TimothyP:

Torg, I'm out of luck with LVM, unlike what people say LVM does not work from the ubuntu cd's and RTFM doesn't really help when it comes down to LVM :p

[17:24:19]

GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: Haven't tested it yet, but I'

[17:24:23]

Bernardo:

are the tv channels and recordings exposed as upnp streams?

[17:24:30]

xris:

TimothyP: it's not exactly hard to set up lvm after the fact with the commandline tools.

[17:24:31]

GreyFoxx:

ve read a few things that say the 360 will only play wmv streams

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|Torg|:

LVM is in the linux code, ubu not withstanding its all just linux

[17:24:39]

juski:

how good are the UIs on those upnp network meeja players?

[17:24:40]

xris:

TimothyP: and it's REALLY easy from fedora.

[17:24:43]

GreyFoxx:

Bernardo: Recordings are

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Ryushin:

Is there a ivtv irc channel?

[17:24:51]

GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: #ivtv-dev

[17:25:01]

Bernardo:

juski: they are nice, not as nice as myth, but ok

[17:25:03]

GreyFoxx:

Bernardo: Music, Recordings and if you are running SVN, videos

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** seth|laptop is glad his ivtv issues are resolved **

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Ryushin:

Thanks GreyFoxx.

[17:25:24]

TimothyP:

Torg, Ubuntu has it in the installeer menu but when you try to select it it says "The current kernel doesn't support the logical volume manger you may have to load the lvm-mod module

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|Torg|:

then TimothyP either quit using that stupid GUI or update your modules

[17:25:52]

TimothyP:

it's text based :p

[17:25:55]

Bernardo:

GreyFoxx: that means I'll have to build svn – my wife would kill me if I couldn't get video to work

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seth|laptop:

then do a ctl-alt-F1 and try loading the module?

[17:26:14]

TimothyP:

not using the ubuntu dekstop cd

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|Torg|:

worse Beirdo you have to patch it by hand :P

[17:26:16]

TimothyP:

tried that

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TimothyP:

modprobe lvm-mod right?

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seth|laptop:

ick

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juski:

autocomplete strikes again

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|Torg|:

oops, Bernardo not Beirdo , stupid autocomplete

[17:26:32]

Bernardo:

|Torg|: used to it...

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GreyFoxx:

Bernardo: By videos I mean Mythvideo imported stuff, so your avi's and such

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Paladine:

ubuntu server install cd supports lvm

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TimothyP:

that's the cd I'm using

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seth|laptop:

TimothyP: what happens when you run that, does it say "error inserting module...."

[17:27:07]

TimothyP:

and it says it doesn'

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TimothyP:

thang on

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GreyFoxx:

I am likely gonna rewrite it to readh from the drive instead of just pulling the database info

[17:27:15]

TimothyP:

I'll try that seth

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Paladine:

well it does because I have an edgy server right next to me that is an example of exactly that :)

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seth|laptop:

also there may be a boot option called dolvm

[17:27:32]

Bernardo:

|Torg|: you should try the autocomplete in cgi::irc, only lets one use the first letter

[17:27:37]

Bernardo:

GreyFoxx: yep, I understood

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stuarta:

back later....

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TimothyP:

FATAL: lvm_mod not found

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seth|laptop:

or something, hit F2 or F3 when the cd loads, before boot, and check out the kernel options

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TimothyP:

aha :)

[17:28:13]

Bernardo:

GreyFoxx: it would be nice to have all the defined channels available as streams (like the livetv in frontend)

[17:28:14]

TimothyP:

Paladine did you just booth it or pass special options?

[17:28:22]

seth|laptop:

i know to get my sata drive to go, I had to type doscsi at the boot prompt

[17:28:39]

Paladine:

I just booted it

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|Torg|:

TimothyP what happend if you simply type the lvm commands, live lvs for example?

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GreyFoxx:

Bernardo: Not likely , at least not nearly anytime soon :)

[17:28:53]

TimothyP:

let me see

[17:28:57]

Paladine:

http://pastebin.ca/283826

[17:29:05]

Paladine:

Edgy Server and LVM

[17:29:16]

Bernardo:

|Torg|: are the patches easy to find?

[17:29:23]

TimothyP:

File descriptor 3 left open, file descripter 4 left open etc...

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TimothyP:

Paladine I'm not saying I don't believe you

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|Torg|:

Bernardo yes there in /usr/src/mtyhttv on my box :)

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TimothyP:

I'm saying I have a box right here and it says screw you timothy I do not want to load LVM

[17:30:02]

TimothyP:

so I'm asking if you did something during startup :)

[17:30:13]

Paladine:

timothy, you ran the checksum on the disk image right?

[17:30:20]

TimothyP:

yep

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TimothyP:

used both ubuntu-server

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TimothyP:

and ubuntu-alternate

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Paladine:

and when you get into the partition manager it won't let you setup an lvg?

[17:30:36]

Bernardo:

|Torg|: :) and anywhere downloadable when I get home to my myth machine?

[17:30:37]

TimothyP:

all 6.10

[17:30:47]

TimothyP:

well it allows me to create partitions for LVM

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GreyFoxx:

Bernardo: What patches are you looking to use ?

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|Torg|:

mostly Bernardo I got them off the bug list, and mostly from posts people pointed me tward

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TimothyP:

but then I select Configure the logical volume manager

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|Torg|:

one here, in particular

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Bernardo:

TimothyP: there's something strange, I'm using lVM on two machines

[17:31:01]

TimothyP:

and it says the current kernel does not support bla bla bla

[17:31:09]

TimothyP:

OR hang on

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Paladine:

weird, it worked fine here

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TimothyP:

should I just create the LVM partitions and install ubuntu

[17:31:21]

TimothyP:

and than afterwards do it ?

[17:31:31]

Bernardo:

GreyFoxx: mostly I want to build svn to use myth also as a upnp server for my videos and music

[17:31:33]

Paladine:

hang on let me find the thread I got help with

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|Torg|:

I woudlnt put my root partition on an LVM disk

[17:31:37]

TimothyP:

so not configure it while I'm bsy

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TimothyP:

root is on separate drive

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juski:

hm. a forum user seems to be implying that a cable HD box in the US will prolly output ATSC from an RF output – an output you could tune to with an ATSC tuner card... is that right?

[17:31:54]

GreyFoxx:

Bernardo: No patches need for that

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Paladine:

took me 2 attempts to get it right when i did it

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GreyFoxx:

just download the svn source and compile

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juski:

I somehow doubt it because it's no mean feat

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|Torg|:

no juski there smoking crack

[17:32:16]

TimothyP:

SATA controller 1: 80GB + 80GB + 320GB all configured EXT3 nothing special, SATA Controlelr 2: 320GB + 320GB + 300 GB + 200GB ==> LVM

[17:32:16]

Bernardo:

TimothyP: both machines are running edgy, and didn't need anything extra, just a regular edgy (non-server) install

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|Torg|:

*IF* there was some cable box that output RF, its going to be NTSC ala SD signal and RF mosulator

[17:32:46]

TimothyP:

might be something with the type of mainboard

[17:32:47]

Bernardo:

GreyFoxx: thanks, I thought there were patches needed because of what |Torg| posted earlier

[17:32:54]

TimothyP:

it's an intel BTX mainboard

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TimothyP:

Intel Pentium D 3200Ghz

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|Torg|:

Bernardo I belive GreyFoxx comitted all those, so a svn shoudl work

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TimothyP:

Mhz :p

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Bernardo:

|Torg|: thanks

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juski:

|Torg|: that's the best I'd expect too – NTSC

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|Torg|:

my own xml files are a bit more hacked, but aside from what GreyFoxx gave me its not much differnt

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TimothyP:

anyway I'll download another cd :)

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Bernardo:

TimothyP: I have a PIII and a Athlon 2Ghz with edgy and LVM

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TimothyP:

see if it works

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TimothyP:

I'll be back later thnx for the info and patience guys :)

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Paladine:

Timothy http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=286991

[17:34:24]

Paladine:

read that thread

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TimothyP:

aha thnx :)

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Paladine:

the instructions the guy gave me in that worked like a dream

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Paladine:

very easy to follow

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Bernardo:

thanks guys, have to go now

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GreyFoxx:

Only patches I've got sitting on my box right now are a roughed out upnp config menu screen and the X_MS_Media registration stuff

[17:36:16]

abarbaccia:

Anybody here use nvram-wakeup?

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|Torg|:

Paladine you did all this at install time? you dont use the lvm tools?

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Paladine:

no I did it at install time

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** |Torg| wants the registration stuff **

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Paladine:

only took a couple of minutes

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Paladine:

never heard of lvm tools

[17:37:11]

|Torg|:

its what the install did for you,created physiucal volumes, then carved out logicval ones, then presented them as disks

[17:37:15]

GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: I'm waiting to get my hands on a 360 so I can try it, plus it looks like they might require specific container ID's as well

[17:37:21]

|Torg|:

its the basic prmise of any LVM not just linux

[17:37:35]

GreyFoxx:

I'm told that someone running MCE 2005 can stream their recordings to the 360 for playback

[17:37:48]

GreyFoxx:

I'd LOVE to get a packet capture of the first 30 seconds of that

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx its too bad your not jewish then

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GreyFoxx:

Who says I'm not ?

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|Torg|:

yes GreyFoxx its via extra software

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dverzolla:

HI! Has anyone using Hauppauge 500 MCE with mythtv?

[17:38:16]

GreyFoxx:

Ok, I had heard they used a transcoder

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|Torg|:

you said your dad was getging you a 360 for christmas

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GreyFoxx:

No, I'm getting him a DSM 320 for xmas :)

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juski:

dverzolla: of course folks use pvr500 cards with mythtv

[17:38:49]

** opello does **

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juski:

time to go t'shop

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GreyFoxx:

never assume, I could be adopted, he could be my stepdad, etc etc :)

[17:39:04]

Paladine:

brb need coffee

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dverzolla:

juski: And what about MCE Edition?

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|Torg|:

if you were jewish you would have gotten your first hanukkah present already

[17:39:16]

opello:

GreyFoxx: or maybe you celebrate commercialism!

[17:39:16]

GreyFoxx:

But in this case you are correct, I'm not :)

[17:39:42]

|Torg|:

so if you are jewish you at least dont practive judasim

[17:39:43]

GreyFoxx:

I celebrate the look of joy in a kids eye when they get a gift, Xmas is just when it happens a lot more :)

[17:39:52]

** seth|laptop uses 2 pvr150MCE cards, which will look the same to mythtv as a single mce500 **

[17:40:08]

|Torg|:

btw neither am I, my neighbors are

[17:40:11]

** GreyFoxx is a practicing agnostic with atheistic tendencies :) **

[17:40:15]

** seth|laptop loves watching his little girl open presents **

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|Torg|:

persoanly I dont care either way, any holidy with presents is fine by me

[17:40:46]

GreyFoxx:

seth|laptop: yeah, I'm buying a new digital camera today cause mine is dying and I don't wanna mis any good pictures of her openning stuff :)

[17:40:58]

GreyFoxx:

err my camera is dying that is

[17:41:01]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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seth|laptop:

heh

[17:41:30]

seth|laptop:

yeah, I just got a new set of ink/photo paper for the wife's kodak rig, can't wait

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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|Torg|:

dverzolla what GreyFoxx was talkigkn about is M$ has software you can download to make a 360 talk to MCE3005, it can also talk to ta PC running speical softwre

[17:42:05]

|Torg|:

it does not work with any OTHER upnp software, incudling mythtv

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|Torg|:

so I maintain the 360 dosnt do uPNP

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|Torg|:

but that is a matter of opionion

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GreyFoxx:

they impose their own rules and restrictions on it and therefore only work with themselves out of the box

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|Torg|:

I fully expect M$ to have taken the uPNP stnardard and "enhanced" it. M$ had a very very very long histry of corupting standards

[17:43:27]

GreyFoxx:

plus sending buggy ssdp notifies :)

[17:44:13]

|Torg|:

hence the reason I wanted GreyFoxx registraion patches :)

[17:45:36]

Ryushin:

Are there any known issues with a pvr-150 and pvr-350 card in the same system, running under 2.6.19, using driver 0.9.1, and the pvr-150 card not working? This set up working under 2.6.18 and 0.8.1.

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dverzolla:

|Torg|: then I can use 500 in my mythtv?

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|Torg|:

500 what?

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dverzolla:

|Torg|: pvr-500

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|Torg|:

dunno, I dont use pvr cards

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dverzolla:

|Torg|: What card you use?

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|Torg|:

two dvb ATSC cards

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dverzolla:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR-500

[17:49:44]

|Torg|:

0000:00:0d.0 Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02)

[17:49:45]

|Torg|:

0000:00:0f.0 Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02)

[17:49:51]

seth|laptop:

dverzolla: it will work fine

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|Torg|:

hence the need for 1TB of recording space :P

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seth|laptop:

you have to set it up as 2 pvr 150 cards as it has 2 tuners, but you should have no issues

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|Torg|:

ill assume it works becae I see allot of people come here that use them

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dverzolla:

seth|laptop: Yes... tks.

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nandor:

howdy, so im getting some really wierd artifacts on my recorded shows — especially on cartoons + when there is text on the screen (sound jumps too sometimes) usually the text at the bottom it will kind of virtrate up at the top of the screen (this is kinda hard to explain) anyway, is this likely a hardware prolem with my PVR150 or a configuration issue?

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|Torg|:

or a signal issue

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nandor:

it's using RCA in from the cable tuner box

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nandor:

unless the cable im using is just crap

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nandor:

well acutally — i used a singal line from a composite HD cable for RCA — is thatbad?

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|Torg|:

wait you connected an analog compopsite cable to component out?

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|Torg|:

there is no such thing as composite HD, its called componet out and has seperate RGB

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|Torg|:

if you connect a composite cable to it, the fact you get anything is remarkable

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nandor:

no

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nandor:

its analog RCA to analog RCA

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nandor:

i just used a single line from a hd cable

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|Torg|:

thats just it, you are using a digital line on an anolog port

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|Torg|:

im suripted you get anything

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nandor:

hmmm

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nandor:

not sure im explaining this right to you

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|Torg|:

ive taken my $80 monter compannet cables and attemotped to run plain old compnent out over it, nothing

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nandor:

okay you know the RCA jacks (red white sounds, yellow video) ?

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|Torg|:

I connected ti to the coax spdif to the av reicer nothing

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nandor:

im just not explaining this right to you

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nandor:

okay you know the RCA jacks (red white sounds, yellow video) ?

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|Torg|:

RCA COMPOSITE out for ANALOG SD is one RCA jack, often collerd yellow

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nandor:

yes

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|Torg|:

what did you connect to it?

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nandor:

so out of the PVR 150 I have a single RCA video out

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nandor:

that would goto the RCA video in on the TV

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nandor:

(the yellow connector)

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|Torg|:

if your TV had anaolog rca inputs, yes

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nandor:

okay

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nandor:

so thats what im doing

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nandor:

except that im using one of those YPRb cables

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nandor:

a single line from it

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|Torg|:

that isnt what I was talking about, im taling about the signal going INTO the 150 not out, but ok

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nandor:

the signal into the 150

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nandor:

is RCA to RCA with normal cables

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|Torg|:

yes nandor that is EXATLY what im talking baout, you are trying to use an HD COMPONENT cable to do SD COMPOSITE signal

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nandor:

out but not in

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|Torg|:

in my limited experiace using the small number of electronic equipment peices here it is my expericane that tells me it dosnt work

[18:01:03]

nandor:

hmm no

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|Torg|:

not even a little bit, not with artifact, nothing

[18:01:08]

nandor:

into the 150

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nandor:

the cable box has RCA out Red/White + Yellow

[18:01:43]

|Torg|:

what connected the vidio out on teh cable box to the video in on the 150?

[18:01:49]

nandor:

Yellow goes right into the 150 and the R/W convert to a audio jack and go into the 150 as well

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nandor:

normal RCA R/W+Y cable

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|Torg|:

ok well the stuttering is usually a lose connection or bad cable

[18:02:56]

|Torg|:

that bitrate thing you see is the text in the VBI, its on top of the screen right?

[18:03:10]

|Torg|:

it means your underscanning (maybe thats backwards) your signal

[18:03:22]

|Torg|:

its normal, ignore it, it does not hurt you at all

[18:03:27]

nandor:

it's not just with text

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nandor:

but often when text shows up

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|Torg|:

if you dont like it, adjust it off the screen

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nandor:

for example, i recorded robot chicken

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nandor:

and it was vibrating all over

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nandor:

myth busters rarely has vibrates

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|Torg|:

vibrating?

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nandor:

the pictures

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nandor:

it just like shakes

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|Torg|:

you mean interlacing?

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nandor:

let me see if i cant make you a sample

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|Torg|:

nandor what deinterlacing do you use?

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nandor:

Bob

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|Torg|:

what video card do you hav?

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nandor:

using the mobo video card its like a geforece 6200, but the problem is not the out put

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nandor:

i always get the same artifacts on the screen

[18:09:07]

nandor:

its part of the recording

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nandor:

so its has to be an input issue

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|Torg|:

ok then what is the problem?

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|Torg|:

you are talkng about seeing the digtial info in the VBI, its normal

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|Torg|:

and you are seeing what I belvie to be overlay problems with text vs your deinterlacing

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nandor:

hmm

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nandor:

no this is not overlay test

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nandor:

text *

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|Torg|:

that "tearing" or "vibration" is interlacing issues

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nandor:

its just text in the problem

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nandor:

and its a recording problem

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nandor:

it almost looks like the memory is being jacked up

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nandor:

in the recording buffer

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|Torg|:

play it on a pc, does it do the same thing?

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nandor:

yes

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|Torg|:

then I probbly cant help you

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|Torg|:

altho it sounds as if you already know your issue

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nandor:

torg: im wondering if there is a way to see if the 150 (bttv etc) is misconfigured and using like software where it should be using hardware

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nandor:

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|Torg|:

well watch when it records, what runs?

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nandor:

what should i see?

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|Torg|:

well if its using sofware it would be running a sofware encoder along with the recording

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Ravi1974:

does anyone know of a card that will help decode MPEG2 files to take the load off the processor? I want to display HD via VGA or Component.

[18:26:28]

|Torg|:

also there is a setting in mythtv-setu for it to use hardware

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Ravi1974:

Do modern Video Cards help in this regard & does linux have support for it?

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|Torg|:

yes Ravi1974 its called XvMC

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Ravi1974:

Linux meaning MythTV in particular

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|Torg|:

yes Ravi1974 its called XvMC

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Ravi1974:

|Torg| thanks

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Ravi1974:

|Torg| how about graphics cards?

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|Torg|:

that IS what XvMC does

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|Torg|:

it take the DSP from the graphic card to do IDCT, specaily motion compentatrion

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|Torg|:

Nvidia cards are esp good in this respoce, ATI is well......

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Ravi1974:

so what is the difference in performance after this?

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|Torg|:

X Video Motion Compensation

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|Torg|:

depedends on CPU, BUS, Mmeory all sorts of things

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|Torg|:

it takes 5–50% load off the CPU

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|Torg|:

it depends on your graphic card too

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nandor:

torg: whats the setting called do you know?

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Ravi1974:

It sounds good... lets see

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|Torg|:

nandor its in the setup, since I dont use SD cards I just skip over them

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|Torg|:

Ravi1974 keep in mind XvMC uses your cards DSP to do IDCT, its intent was to render and shade

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|Torg|:

the DSP in an of itslef is a prety powerfull CPU, which is why you can use it to do XvMC but it wasnt the intended pourpose of the DSP

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|Torg|:

that being said most of the midrange (now becomming bottem end) cards do XvMC jsut fine

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jams:

I think nvidia geforce 4 and up do xvmc

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|Torg|:

yes jams

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|Torg|:

but even tho I know what you mean, they arnt geforce 4

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fryfrog:

When I tried xvmc, I never could really get it to help much with play back

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fryfrog:

for some reason, i get horrendus cpu usage no matter what :(

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fryfrog:

but i've got less skipping now

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|Torg|:

yes fryfrog like i said dpends on CPU, video card, what your wathcing, how much motion it has, etc

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|Torg|:

mostly I do it to stop the CPU spikes I had

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fryfrog:

i really need to look into it again

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|Torg|:

CPU would go to 100% when I had fast motion, most of the time stayed well below 35%

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fryfrog:

man, mine stays at 100% or *more* almost all the time :(

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fryfrog:

2.4ghz old-ish xeon cpu

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jams:

|Torg|- so what are they called?

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** Cardoe leans on fryfrog **

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|Torg|:

nv25, nv26 etc

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|Torg|:

its by the chip inside

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fryfrog:

Cardoe: hi sir, i must impart upon you some bad news :(

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Cardoe:

oh?

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fryfrog:

all my linux boxen do-be ubuntu now :(

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Cardoe:

gave up on Gentoo?

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|Torg|:

go read the nvidia docs it has which chips the drivers do vxmc on, etc

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jams:

good grief thats being way to picky. Your not going to find nv25 printed on the side of a box

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fryfrog:

yar, at least for now :(

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|Torg|:

they are listed as nvxx not geforce X

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fryfrog:

jams: the 5200 is a good, sure fire card

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fryfrog:

should be pretty cheap to

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Cardoe:

fryfrog: it happens to the best of us

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fryfrog:

the 4200 series should be okay, but some of the MX series used older chips

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fryfrog:

so i'd say, get a full blown "4" series card or 5 series

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jams:

fryfrog- yes I know. I'm not looking for a card =)

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

Cardoe: I *do* miss a lot of aspects of gentoo though

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|Torg|:

id go for the nv35 series the Geforce 5 is what you call it

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fryfrog:

I think Ubuntu's packages for myth suck :p

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Cardoe:

fryfrog: like the fact that Gentoo's are up to date Myth packages

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fryfrog:

yes, exactly :p

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Cardoe:

Just got GreyFoxx to backport some stuff...

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Cardoe:

and it's already in the tree

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Cardoe:

;)

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|Torg|:

that or learn to use svn

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fryfrog:

i am using "current" svn from a few weeks ago, but i was *hoping* to avoid it entirely

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fryfrog:

I think *some* day I will switch back to gentoo

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fryfrog:

but I need that to be when I have my own little server room and a *few* servers instead of just one

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|Torg|:

im using curent from this weekend, every weekend I usuauly compile and package my own myth

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Cardoe:

too much time and effort

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Cardoe:

|Torg|:

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|Torg|:

btw you can pick up a FX 5900 for about $50 they work great

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fryfrog:

i really miss ebuilds :)

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Cardoe:

cp mythtv-0.20_p12172.ebuild mythtv-0.20_p12288.ebuild

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Cardoe:

emerge mythtv

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fryfrog:

5900? a 5200 would be fine to

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fryfrog:

:)

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|Torg|:

Cardoe effort? its crontabed

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Cardoe:

haha

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Cardoe:

That's stable.

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fryfrog:

or "oh look, this isn't in portage" and i can either look in bugs or make my own

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|Torg|:

if it breaks I remove the packeage, instal the last one, and refill the datbase

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: do you do from -fixes or svn head?

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|Torg|:

so far nothing has broken, well okm expect teh 100% CPU bug with upnp

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|Torg|:

head

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fryfrog:

ah

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|Torg|:

well trunk :)

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|Torg|:

but then im not scared to go into the code, run patches agsint it, or run compiled by hand

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fryfrog:

neither am i, but i really had hoped to avoid it

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fryfrog:

i miss cardoe's ebuilds based on -fixes branch :)

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fryfrog:

in fact, it wasn't gentoo + mythtv that made me want to leave gentoo

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fryfrog:

it was all the other stuff

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fryfrog:

though i also liked the apache / vhost stuff

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|Torg|:

ive been thinking of doing it with the -fixes brank and going away from the trunk, but I like to play with cuting edge code

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fryfrog:

what i really need is to seperate my myth from my web server

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fryfrog:

web/ftp/file/etc

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fryfrog:

some day, when i have money :)

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fryfrog:

or start inheriting server hardware again :)

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|Torg|:

hell fryfrog you do understnad its just php mysql eztensions and apace talking to the BE and mostly the DB, right?

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: i'm not talking about mythweb

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Cardoe:

fryfrog: or just when you upgrade desktops... your old desktop becomes your server.

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: I run my *own* web server for my domain and stuff

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Cardoe:

that's what I do

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fryfrog:

Cardoe: yeah, thats probably what I'll do, good idea :)

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fryfrog:

maybe turn out "spare" bedroom into a server room

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fryfrog:

i get tired of the computer noise

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|Torg|:

Cardoe Ive been dong that for years

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|Torg|:

only exception is I speficaly built an HD FE

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|Torg|:

fryfrog you mean you atualy use your office and computer rooms as bedrooms :P

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fryfrog:

no

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fryfrog:

but i get tired of sitting in the computer room with all the noise

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|Torg|:

my wife used to joke there was no raised floor in my office, so I went online and looked up riaded floring

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|Torg|:

she dosnt joke about it any more :P

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fryfrog:

ahahha

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fryfrog:

Actually, what I really need to do is replace my stupid xeon frontend with a normal useful one

[18:50:24]

fryfrog:

then the dual xeon can make a *good* web server

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fryfrog:

It makes a terrible mythbox :p

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|Torg|:

and I sloved my noice issue by distributing my systems, 8 are in the office, 3 in the living room, one in the guestroom

[18:50:59]

fryfrog:

the 2.4ghz cpus are *just* barely enough for HD, and they are loud as hell!

[18:51:08]

fryfrog:

well, the cpus aren't loud :p

[18:51:10]

fryfrog:

but the fans are

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|Torg|:

my amd k7–350 makes a great mysql box

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|Torg|:

I could put apache on it now I think of it

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|Torg|:

ahh fryfrog thats why you have surround sound :)

[18:51:57]

|Torg|:

mythfe too lourd, crank up the volume

[18:52:02]

fryfrog:

the problem with my old hardware is a lot of it isn't stable :(

[18:52:13]

fryfrog:

thats another of the *many* things i need to buy :(

[18:52:18]

|Torg|:

my problem is my old hardware is stable as hell, its like a damn tank

[18:52:19]

fryfrog:

we have a tv, but no surround sound :(

[18:52:22]

fryfrog:

oh yeah, and our house sucks

[18:52:26]

|Torg|:

new stuff breaks al teh damn time, esp those disk

[18:52:38]

|Torg|:

I have a buch of >100G disks that are trash

[18:52:50]

|Torg|:

I have even more <8G disks, some <1G that run great

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fryfrog:

I just need to stick with seagate, i've had nice luck with them

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|Torg|:

I have 486 cpus that run fine, P3's that are dead

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fryfrog:

haha

[18:53:46]

** dansmith thinks |Torg| doesn't keep his disks or his cpus cool enough **

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dansmith:

:)

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|Torg|:

and if I fealt like it could prbably guild a K7'ish, 1g mem'ish, 20g disk;ish system out of spare parts

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fryfrog:

I like big disks and I cannot lie :)

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fryfrog:

I have an athlon XP 1600+ that might actually make a decent web server

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|Torg|:

yes dansmith my main issue is I fryied a BUNCH of old SCSI disks from heat

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|Torg|:

fryfrog how many sites do you plan on hosting from that XP?

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fryfrog:

my wife still makes fun of me for the 2 hard drives and 1 motherboard i fried :)

[18:55:06]

fryfrog:

|Torg|: just my own, but i'm not a great php coder so my site is pretty cpu intensive :(

[18:55:10]

|Torg|:

mine makes fun of me for the power supply I blew

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fryfrog:

plus i use gallery2 which is worse :)

[18:55:27]

fryfrog:

|Torg|: I used to work at papa johns, and i brought home a digital thermometor

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|Torg|:

ok fryfrog you can do that with just about ANYTHING, a XP 1600 is aoput 1500 too mcuh :)

[18:55:32]

fryfrog:

with a *metal* probe

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|Torg|:

I want one of those laser thermometers

[18:56:14]

fryfrog:

I'd been *carefully* measuring temps... but when i was measuring the temp *between* 2 drives i slipped, the metal probe touched one drive and grounded on the other

[18:56:18]

|Torg|:

hmm I wonder if my geode would work as a mythweb box :)

[18:56:23]

fryfrog:

it blew out both drives and the ide channels on the mb :)

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jams:

fryfrog- was your nick simply "frog" before that incident?

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fryfrog:

haha, funny but no it had been fryfrog for years :)

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|Torg|:

I decided 5 UW scsi drives on a 350W power supply was a good idea :)

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fryfrog:

my nick is based on a desicated frog i found in my room

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Paladine:

oooo the making of Hogfather is about to start on sky 2 :)

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** Paladine grabs that as well **

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|Torg|:

WTF is Hogfather?

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Paladine:

a terry pratchett book

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kormoc:

when two hogs love each other very much...

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Rince:

quite good actually

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fryfrog:

i'd have thought hogfather was the head of the swine maffia

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|Torg|:

so would I

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|Torg|:

I was thinking like cartoon version of the godfather :)

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kormoc:

Animal Farm!

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|Torg|:

hmm I think I really will try to put mythweb on my geode :)

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fryfrog:

when i had seperate myth / web systems, mythweb ran quite nicely on my web server

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fryfrog:

do you use only *one* mysql server too?

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|Torg|:

one primary you mean yes

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|Torg|:

I run two mysql servers, on on the BE that is primary and replicates to the FE

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|Torg|:

altho that is vast overkill becase I dump it every night to a sql file

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|Torg|:

and realisticly if it died a horable ugly death I could simply put everything back with one command

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: you actually have a mysql "cluster"?

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|Torg|:

if thats what you want to call it, yes :)

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|Torg|:

why dont you?

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: if the primary failed, would the secondary take over traffic?

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fryfrog:

only because i don't know enough about mysql to set it up

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|Torg|:

no it was more to play with replication and see what was going on, without the BE the sql server would be sorta useless

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fryfrog:

but how does it work?

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|Torg|:

its a setting in the conf file

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fryfrog:

i mean, if you have mysql stop on the *main* one, does the secondary take over some how?

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fryfrog:

i don't see how it could?

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|Torg|:

when you write to the primary it synchs to the secondary

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|Torg|:

you can simply ask the secondary and it will give you the info you need

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|Torg|:

its one way replicaiotn not bi-directional

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fryfrog:

ahhh, i see

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ollekalle:

Hi, I have a problem and am looking for help. in my /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log it states "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@localhost' (using password: YES). Any clues?

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fryfrog:

so if you really *did* have a failure, you'd have to change all your mysql settings

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fryfrog:

or get the primary up and pull the data from the slave db

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: No, just have the bacikup take over the IP of the master

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fryfrog:

which efectivly ends up being a complicated dumb

[19:09:39]

GreyFoxx:

then later when the master is repaired to reset it

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: but you'd then have to have a seperate ip for mysql for both

[19:09:50]

GreyFoxx:

well, yes

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: and mysql would have to be *able* to take the ip

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GreyFoxx:

No

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fryfrog:

which i doubt is a feature of mysql

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GreyFoxx:

the OS gets the IP, not mysql

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fryfrog:

you'd need something like ultramonkey

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|Torg|:

if the primary failed, so would mythbackend

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|Torg|:

so its mostly just me playing with the DB

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|Torg|:

but you can simply change the IP address to the new DB and take over

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|Torg|:

altho the tables are read only

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|Torg|:

so you would have to stop and start the db

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fryfrog:

ah, so it really is just to play :)

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fryfrog:

Maybe if you had a really important myth setup, you could setup some real cluster/load balanacing setup

[19:11:25]

fryfrog:

thing

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|Torg|:

yes why do you think I have 12 working/runing PCs anyway :P

[19:11:32]

fryfrog:

ahah

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fryfrog:

so with myth, if your primary backend fails... you are SOL, right?

[19:11:54]

fryfrog:

actually, that isn't a ?

[19:11:56]

fryfrog:

its true

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|Torg|:

*IF* my whole recordings/videos,a nd mp3s diapaerd I wouldnt exactly be happy but its not the end of teh worls

[19:12:23]

|Torg|:

my /myth directory does not warrent me even backing it up to DLT

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: yeah, the mp3s would be my only worry. so i rsync them to a removable 80G hard drive every once in a while

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|Torg|:

*IF* my BE disks crator, I can replace them, put back the data, and mysql import everything minus the recorded table

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fryfrog:

I use rsnapshot to make a "snapshots" file system on my big partition, so i can go back an hour, day , week or mnth and get modified files

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|Torg|:

id loose the SVN, and all recordings

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fryfrog:

I use a RAID1 on the server's system hard drives, which has the web site and db and all that junk. I then use rsnapshot to backup some of it to my big RAID5

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fryfrog:

it makes db dumbs at the same time :)

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fryfrog:

I used to keep like 8 hours, 7 days, 4 weeks and 12 months

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fryfrog:

but that was retardedly to much :p

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fryfrog:

now i just keep 1 hours, 1 day, 1 week and 12 months

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|Torg|:

I back up the /etc partiton and a few other things via tar and rdist do the FE

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|Torg|:

the FE does the same to the BE

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|Torg|:

if both fail at the same time I have other issues then getting myth back up

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GreyFoxx:

I just dump and rotate my database ones a night keeping 15 days of backups,those and everything else gets backed up once a day

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|Torg|:

I mean hell its JUST TV (my wife is at work so I can say that :P)

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fryfrog:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

I can live with loosing a couple hours of settings changes heh

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fryfrog:

yeah, the only stuff i *really* don't want to lose is my pictures

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|Torg|:

yes GreyFoxx I dump it daily, rorate out every 14 days, every 4 weeks, every 3 months and every year

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GreyFoxx:

I keep offsite backups of my photos

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fryfrog:

i need to

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|Torg|:

mostly becase im too lazy to go edit out my "standrad" dump and gzip script

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Ravi1974:

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: I'd be VERY upset if I lost them

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|Torg|:

Ravi1974 I dout it, but I dont run one

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GreyFoxx:

I backup my photos to my backup fileserver, from there they get copied to my colo machine, and that gets dumped to another backup machin

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Ravi1974:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

so in all I have 4 copies in 3 cities

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|Torg|:

my photos and mp3s are on my deksotp, my wifes desktop, and my DLT array

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|Torg|:

id LOVE to make a fileserver, presuambly off of 8 or more SATA drives

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|Torg|:

but im very scared of heat (remember the formentioned scsi drives I blew upo)

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GreyFoxx:

We have several large backupmachines, most with 8 or more sata drives

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GreyFoxx:

here at work that is

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GreyFoxx:

their sole job is to backup/rsync stuff

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|Torg|:

if I could find a case that held 8 or more 3.5" drives I could put any old MB in, id LV the damn thing (hwardware if I coudl) and NFS/SAMBA the damn ting

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|Torg|:

but ill be amned if im gona water coll the bitch

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: We've got nifty drive bays that fit 5 drives in 3 5 1/44 drive bays

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|Torg|:

who makes em?

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GreyFoxx:

I'll have to ask the guy that orders them

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GreyFoxx:

they are pretty sweet

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|Torg|:

most of the stuff Ive seen is in teh hundrededs of dollars

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GreyFoxx:

They aren't cheap

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|Torg|:

I saw a 1TB 8 disk array they wanted $2500 for

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GreyFoxx:

no $50 cheap

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|Torg|:

I just prices the same damn ting from isk and tryes for $500

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh ok, nothing like that for the drive cages

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fryfrog:

http://fryfrog.com/reviews/chenbro-sr10769/

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fryfrog:

that case is awsome

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fryfrog:

best case i've ever owned, myself

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fryfrog:

was about $150, no PSU

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|Torg|:

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|Torg|:

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|Torg|:

Accessories

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|Torg|:

Apparel

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|Torg|:

Bags / Carrying Cases

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|Torg|:

Barebone Systems

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|Torg|:

Batteries & Chargers

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|Torg|:

Blank Media

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|Torg|:

Cables

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fryfrog:

wtf?

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|Torg|:

Cases / Enclosures

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opello:

bad torg

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|Torg|:

CD / DVD Burners

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|Torg|:

Computers / PCs

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|Torg|:

Controllers

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|Torg|:

Cooling Devices

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|Torg|:

CPUs / Processors

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|Torg|:

Digital Cameras

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|Torg|:

Electronics

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|Torg|:

Flash Media

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|Torg|:

Floppy Drives

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GreyFoxx:

hehe beat me to it :)

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opello:

heh how apropos

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ShiftyPowers:

is there any way to make mythvideo automatically update the video database periodically?

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|Torg|:

yes go into it

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fryfrog:

http://fryfrog.com/reviews/chenbro-sr10769/ <-- awsome case

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ShiftyPowers:

i know without going into it

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ShiftyPowers:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

ShiftyPowers: I don't believe so

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GreyFoxx:

At least nothing I've ever seen

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GreyFoxx:

Personally I use videolist and have it set to browse the file system so I really never (or rarely) have to use the video manager at all

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|Torg|:

I just upload videos to the FE /myth/video directy, then go watch them

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|Torg|:

there is nothing special and if I am already in the video player I exit the player then go back in

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|Torg|:

there isnt any scanning or anyhting extra to do

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GreyFoxx:

Which means you must have it set to browse the filesystem which I don't think is the default setting

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fathom:

can someone help me figure out how to scan for the local QAM stations from my cable provider? I can't seem to figure it out and all the stuff on the forums I can find seems to talk about ATSC.

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GreyFoxx:

I do the same

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fryfrog:

fathom: its gonna suck, but it is pretty easy

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ShiftyPowers:

greyfoxx, how do i set it to browse the filesystem?

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fryfrog:

just add the card and go into the channel scanner

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fathom:

fryfrog, suck and work are fine.

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fryfrog:

choose the qam 256, 128 or 64 bit option and go

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fryfrog:

probably in that order too

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fryfrog:

I scanned and found something like 300 channels. Only 6 or 7 of them were HD, only about 20 of them even were tuable

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fathom:

fryfrog, in myth? i'm just trying to make sure i can tune anything first and get a working channels.conf then fiddle w/ it in myth.

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fryfrog:

ie, it is detecting encrypted channels :?

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fathom:

i have a pchdtv 3000

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fryfrog:

fathom: you can play around with azap and such, see if you can get a channel lock i guess

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fryfrog:

but where your cable company *puts* the channels is... totally random afaict

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fathom:

i've gotten channel locks, but i can't find a working channels.conf for my area on the web. figured i'd have to scan for it.

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fathom:

right

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fryfrog:

i had to scan and then try and view 300 channels

[19:30:51]

fryfrog:

1 out of every 2 channels would lock the fe and i

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fathom:

ouch

[19:30:59]

fryfrog:

bah, i'd have to kill it and start over :(

[19:31:25]

fathom:

that sucks. so how do i scan for channels w/o doing it in myth? or is there not a way?

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|Torg|:

fryfrog azap is for atsc

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fryfrog:

azap works for qam just fine

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|Torg|:

ok Ill take your word for it :)

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fryfrog:

fathom: i forget, i *think* i generated a channels.conf at some point... or maybe it was just a list of *all* the possible channels or something

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fryfrog:

i'm pretty sure I generated it though, cause I ended up with like 8 [0001] c hannels

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fryfrog:

each on a different... ummm

[19:32:40]

fryfrog:

pid?

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fryfrog:

subchannel?

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fryfrog:

something

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|Torg|:

I get the same for my ATSC

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fathom:

alright, so, what do i run to scan for this stuff?

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|Torg|:

it generally means too week signal tho, not encrypoted

[19:33:07]

fryfrog:

it turned out to just be easier to scan with myth

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fryfrog:

mythtv-setup

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fryfrog:

i'll be obvious when you get to the channel scanning portion

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fathom:

yeah

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fryfrog:

just pick like "us-cable" then one of the 2 or 3 types of qam

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fathom:

guess i'll just have to suck it up and do that then.

[19:33:37]

fryfrog:

256 is probably the most popular

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fathom:

my provider is COX Cable.

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|Torg|:

that depends on who they bought the cable from

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fathom:

ah okay

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|Torg|:

fryfrog do you run one of these cases?

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fryfrog:

yup

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fryfrog:

firewire turned out to be the awsomer choice

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|Torg|:

how many drives/heat do you eal with?

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fryfrog:

i've had mine for about a year and i still love it when i take the sides off :)

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fryfrog:

I have 7 drives in it, lemme see what smartctl says the temps are

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fryfrog:

194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0002 166 166 000 Old_age Always – 33 (Lifetime Min/Max 20/41)

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|Torg|:

hey fryfrog do you kow your on top of the google rankings :)

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fryfrog:

that is what smartctl says, so i'm thinking 33C now, 20–41C range

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: yeah, i have pretty high ranking for a few things

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fryfrog:

that case is one and my little review of an MSI laptop is another

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|Torg|:

my drives are at 34C

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fryfrog:

i think on the msi, i even rank above the manufaturer's page for a few search terms

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|Torg|:

you run that off of mysql?

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fryfrog:

which?

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fryfrog:

the website?

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|Torg|:

yea the first pic has an error on it

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|Torg|:

I think the html points to the base dir and not the pic

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fryfrog:

that'd be gallery 2 :/

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fryfrog:

is the pic showing?

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|Torg|:

thumbnail yes

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fryfrog:

the *link* should be to the album of pictures

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|Torg|:

ahh there was a hickup I think go check your logs

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|Torg|:

it works now

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fryfrog:

lemme log out and check

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fryfrog:

you know what the error said?

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|Torg|:

it gave me a non specifc database error the first time I tried

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fryfrog:

and where di dyou see it?

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fryfrog:

ahhh, that'd be gallery2

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fryfrog:

i've been seeing some oddness in there

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|Torg|:

I clicked on the first picutrre and ti game me a non spicif "there was an error" page

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fathom:

fryfrog, thanks for the help. i gotta get myth set up on my ubuntu install, i was trying to scan before doing that full install.

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|Torg|:

im wondering with its size if the leads for the power supply would reach to the bottom drive

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|Torg|:

fryfrog do you have this at home?

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: yup, it is my home server

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|Torg|:

you have raised floring at home?

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: I have all sata drives and my PSU did not have 7 plugs on it

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chris__:

does anyone else have issues with choppyness while doing io intensive things like locate -u, grep -r, updating databases or have I configured something wrong?

[19:44:25]

fryfrog:

fark no

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fryfrog:

i took those pictures at work :)

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|Torg|:

http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/v/MaryAnn-Donnie . . . 170.JPG.html

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|Torg|:

thats a raised floor :P

[19:44:47]

fryfrog:

yes, yes it is ;)

[19:45:13]

|Torg|:

they make you work *IN* the data center?

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: so i had to use molex -> sata power plugs and those gave me the needed reach to get to the furthest drives

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: it was a glassed off section for the data center guys

[19:45:49]

fryfrog:

|Torg|: it was cold, but we didn't have any vent tiles so it wasn't as cold as the datacenter

[19:45:55]

fryfrog:

and it wasn't to noisy :)

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|Torg|:

the drive treys im looking at take molex inputs, so I gues id need molex extensions

[19:47:55]

|Torg|:

http://www.kingwin.com/pdut_detail.asp?CateID=47&ID=220

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|Torg|:

they were $17 so ill see how well it works

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juski:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/18/health_website/

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juski:

chuckle chuckle

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: what do you mean? The case comes w/o a PSU, so you can get what ever you need

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fryfrog:

but why would you need drive trays with that case?

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fryfrog:

or are you just alking about seomthing else?

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stuarta:

juski: GreyFoxx wins with funniest post of the day

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|Torg|:

I have a ventec stealth 520W I was gona put into it, well theorecticly

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juski:

didn't know there was a competition :)

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|Torg|:

but I would need mlex entnders to go to sata trays

[19:52:00]

juski:

|Torg|: your HTPC is gonna eat half a kW? oof!

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|Torg|:

no my fileserver will, well may

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|Torg|:

Ive already blown ONE PSU im not gona do antoehr off of 8 drives

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juski:

heh

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juski:

that many drives will need some hefty powering

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|Torg|:

juski whats so filty about that post anyway?

[19:53:22]

juski:

and decent cooling if you want em to last

[19:53:43]

juski:

|Torg|: the fact they called it minge.jpg

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|Torg|:

yes juski hence the converstain with fryfrog and me lookgin at pictures of his case

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juski:

a colloquial word, on a medical website

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|Torg|:

ahh ok, must be british english then

[19:54:42]

|Torg|:

wtf is minge?

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juski:

English english, yes

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juski:

minge == c***

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juski:

google it if you really must know, otherwise nm

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|Torg|:

ahh ok, I went and looked it up

[19:55:39]

|Torg|:

never even heard it before

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kormoc:

google define: minge

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kormoc:

google knows all

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** juski apologises for lowering the tone **

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|Torg|:

actauly I wikipedia's it

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|Torg|:

well juski it just goes to show you profainity is truly in the mind of teh beholder

[19:57:10]

|Torg|:

Thanks to all those readers who wrote to say that as of around 3pm, the file was renamed m1ng3.jpg. A great improvement, as you pointed out.

[19:57:16]

|Torg|:

now THAT was smart

[19:57:24]

|Torg|:

who did they hire for a webadmin, a 13 year old?

[19:57:42]

juski:

just somebody with a sense of humour I think

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juski:

who prolly no longer works there

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|Torg|:

I think its rather funny, esp the part where someone actualy got outraged by it :)

[19:59:28]

** |Torg| files it under the "grow up and get a life" column **

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juski:

pfft. last time I use ffmpeg to make a dvd compliant mpeg. what's this all aboot? [dvd @ 0xb7f66828]buffer underflow

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|Torg|:

slow DVD?

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juski:

nah it's not that

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juski:

source file is uncompressed avi

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|Torg|:

bad avi?

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|Torg|:

I get stuff like that all the time from OTA mpegs, I assume its bad signal, lost mpeg, etc

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|Torg|:

in fact I wish there was a "shut the hell up about lost packets

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** |Torg| has contempated putting the mpeg and eit stuff under diag and not general **

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stuarta:

that website reminds me why I don't pronounce router as rooter

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fryfrog:

does anyone use smartmontools / smartctl / smartd?

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fryfrog:

/dev/sda -H -a -d ata -o on -S on -s (S/../.././02|L/../../6/03)

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GreyFoxx:

rOUTer

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|Torg|:

hey I was given a 30 min speach on why it was a rooter and not a router :)

[20:08:50]

fryfrog:

the S and L are the schedules, and the -a says to do the other tests as well...

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fryfrog:

do i need to give them schedules too?

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chris__:

does anyone know what the int and csw output of dstat mean? I assume that int is interupt. I've tried google but no info on the output. I ask because I get choppy video on my frontend when I run io intensive apps on the backend ie db updates.

[20:09:09]

fryfrog:

O/../../5/11|C/../../5/15

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fryfrog:

for example?

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stuarta:

ask an aussie what it means "to root"

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|Torg|:

yea fryfrog I jsut installed it and didnt edit anything

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stuarta:

chris__: interrupts & context switches

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|Torg|:

is there a tool to read the EIT raw?

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fathom:

what do US people use for XMLTV? is it still zap2it?

[20:10:23]

juski:

that'd be something the Metzer bros. did I bet

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|Torg|:

yes fathom

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stuarta:

tv_grab_dvb will give you a snapshot

[20:10:35]

chris__:

ok... if interupts drop during high io what would that suggest?

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fathom:

okay i'll have to figure out how to log in again

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|Torg|:

im getting 2006-11–17 11:11:57.754 Could not find channel 4_1 in TVCT

[20:11:20]

|Torg|:

altho the channel is 11_1 not 4_1, so im wondering what the hell is in teh EIT its reading

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chris__:

interupts drop from 1100–1200 to 700–800

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|Torg|:

btw there is no tv_grab_dvb on my system, so I guess ill need to update xmltv

[20:12:02]

stuarta:

|Torg|: it's not a standard xmltv thing

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|Torg|:

where does it come from then?

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juski:

http://www.darkskiez.co.uk/index.php?page=tv_grab_dvb

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chris__:

and kills the net throughput from 20 – 50k down to like 4k

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stuarta:

google it?

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stuarta:

chris__: sounds like some sort of io starvation where your storage isn't keeping up

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|Torg|:

yes stuarta about the same time juski gav me the link :P

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juski:

I'm in a good mood tonight what can I say

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stuarta:

i'm on 1 finger typing due to eating dinner

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juski:

I could've just yelled "use google you cluetard!" until somebody listened

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juski:

;)

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|Torg|:

and I woudl ave posted http://www.darkskiez.co.uk/tv_grab_dvb-0.9.tar.gz

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stuarta:

not that i actually use google

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stuarta:

mmm beer and packing :/

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|Torg|:

ahh this wont work

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|Torg|:

I dont want to know whats in my epg, I want to read whats in EIT

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stuarta:

try dvbsnoop then

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juski:

I think you're on the brink of discovering for yourself that digital TV stinks of poo ;)

[20:16:49]

juski:

it's actually a lot less rugged than ole analogue telly

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|Torg|:

no I alrady know that :P

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|Torg|:

I already know they screw with bitrates, not all artifact is transmission issues (unless you count the engineer fucking with the transcoder transmission issue)

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juski:

in the UK we have rogue scooters & fluorescent light switches to bugger up our streams

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|Torg|:

and Ive seen them encode nulls and brodcast them back

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|Torg|:

and thats the GOOD stuff

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alsoconfused:

it was all downhill since they introduced color :)

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juski:

funny though.. STBs cope much better

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|Torg|:

its becase its digtial, in analog close is ok, in dignal its yes or no

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juski:

plus they do far too much bit-jamming

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juski:

hey we could squeeze another 10 channels in here!

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juski:

all we have to do is decrease the error correction!

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stuarta:

i'd be okay if shopping channels were only allow 100x100 max

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kslater:

mac mini / hd playback question – does anyone know if any mac-mini is up to the task of playing back HD recorded content?

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juski:

be okay if all the sad fuckers who use shopping channels just stopped buying

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juski:

mac mini can indeed play HD mpeg2 just fine IIRC

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kslater:

got a buddy considering a mac mini for a FE

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juski:

if they'll play h.264 HD like the BBC are 'casting in London I'll nip out & buy one tomorrow

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stuarta:

i'll tell you in a month or so

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kslater:

stuarta – I'll take that offer

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kslater:

;-)

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|Torg|:

whats funny to be is the ramp up the bitrate to show me the evening news and that stupid tower camera

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|Torg|:

like it needs full motion compensation

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stuarta:

kslater: yeah, i won't get mine till jan sometime...

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juski:

|Torg|: it's prolly done on the fly ya know, automagically

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** juski wonders if Apple stores have January sales... **

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|Torg|:

so is the "lets letterbox the SD commericals into HD frames" they do

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** stuarta doubts it **

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|Torg|:

doubts what, they letterbox the commericials?

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fryfrog:

sales in janurary

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juski:

doubts they have sales

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fryfrog:

apple doesn't have sales

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|Torg|:

oh hehe

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fryfrog:

unless you count refurb

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|Torg|:

hey they sell ipods

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juski:

I'll take a returned unit.. from an owner who couldn't figure out how to right click on the one button mouse

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fryfrog:

yes, apple certainly does sell ipods :)

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|Torg|:

EIT is in the PMT or in the PAT?

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stuarta:

|Torg|: neither

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|Torg|:

ok damnit, where is it?

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** juski hands |Torg| the dvb specs **

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|Torg|:

PID found: 49 (0x0031) [PES: ITU-T Rec. H.262 | ISO/IEC 13818–2 or ISO/IEC 11172–2 video stream]

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juski:

have fun reading

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|Torg|:

thats the picurtre, I know that

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stuarta:

EIT is on several tables, not on a particular PID

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|Torg|:

PID found: 52 (0x0034) [PES: private_stream_1]

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|Torg|:

that I have no clue as to what it is

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stuarta:

prob subtitle

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|Torg|:

but id think its in the PMT as there is one for each PES

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stuarta:

nope

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|Torg|:

ok then the ATSC reserved is all that left :P

[20:27:24]

stuarta:

PMT tells you which stream contains video/audio/private data

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stuarta:

not that either

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|Torg|:

PID found: 8187 (0x1ffb) [SECTION: ATSC reserved]

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stuarta:

in dvb it's on tables 0x4e/0x4f, and several others higher up

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crudpuppy:

ok, I ALMOST got this thing....I think

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crudpuppy:

lol

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sigger_:

anyone care to opine on what "format" gives "better" audio output digital coax cable or digital optical cable. Or is it the same format just via two different mechanisms?

[20:28:46]

crudpuppy:

: Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/mnt/store//4294967295_20061218151233.mpg'.

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crudpuppy:

only thing I see wrong

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juski:

sigger_: same

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crudpuppy:

is that extra slack

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crudpuppy:

slash

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sigger_:

thanks juski

[20:29:14]

crudpuppy:

cause it DOES create that file

[20:29:15]

stuarta:

|Torg|: so you need to add a table filter to the dvbsnoop command line

[20:29:44]

stuarta:

somethign like -f 0x4e -m 0xfe

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crudpuppy:

any ideas?

[20:29:57]

juski:

sigger_: the only thing about optical is that there are no electrical contacts to tarnish, but that doesn't happen on a scale big enough to ever notice

[20:30:03]

stuarta:

and pick a pid, the video pid is good.

[20:30:06]

|Torg|:

yes I see some examples now, also dvbsnoop is either lying about my card, or the docs do. It claims it can do QAM too

[20:30:11]

crudpuppy:

I did a google, and found a coupla threads on it, but none of em had awsners

[20:30:14]

crudpuppy:

lol

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juski:

crudpuppy: well, what is it you're trying to do?

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crudpuppy:

just start mythtv, its trying to start in liveTV mode though

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crudpuppy:

TV: Attempting to change from None to WatchingLiveTV

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juski:

crudpuppy: did somebody not test their tuner works in linux before going into mythtv?

[20:31:56]

crudpuppy:

well, linux sees it....it creates all my devices etc

[20:32:02]

crudpuppy:

so why wouldnt it work in myth

[20:32:16]

crudpuppy:

Conexant CX23880/1/2/3

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crudpuppy:

thats from lspic...and I got the driver in the kernel

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juski:

crudpuppy: yeah but does it WORK?

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crudpuppy:

lol

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|Torg|:

intersting enough two of my channels have EIT but nothing in them, is that normal?

[20:33:18]

crudpuppy:

how can I tellcause right now there is an issue yes

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crudpuppy:

but I'm thinkin its a config thing

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stuarta:

|Torg|: if you are in ATSC land then the table numbers are differnt

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|Torg|:

that would exapling the garbage its tellig me :)

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juski:

crudpuppy: first step is using a program other than mythtv to test the tuner works

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juski:

cos if it doesn't work in linux, you're screwed

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crudpuppy:

like?

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juski:

for v4l tuners, tvtime or xawtv

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juski:

for ivtv, cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg ---- then play the file

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crudpuppy:

how do I tell which it is?

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juski:

for dvb, tzap/szap/czap then cat /dev/adapter0/dvr0 > foobar.mpg ---- then play the file

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juski:

er... you should already know

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juski:

if it's just "some tuner card I got for $20" it's more than likely just a bog standard v4l tuner

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|Torg|:

you dont need to cat it juski if tzap can tune it, it works

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crudpuppy:

well the second thing didnt work

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crudpuppy:

lol

[20:38:20]

crudpuppy:

TiVo file format detected.

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crudpuppy:

MPEG: No audio stream found -> no sound.

[20:38:20]

crudpuppy:

MPEG: FATAL: EOF while searching for sequence header.

[20:38:20]

crudpuppy:

Video: Cannot read properties.

[20:38:20]

crudpuppy:

No stream found.

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juski:

crudpuppy: take a second & get a clue

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crudpuppy:

lol

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crudpuppy:

I'm new to this give me a break

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juski:

no breaks for noobs who don't do any research, sorry

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juski:

install tvtime then

[20:39:05]

crudpuppy:

I look'd stupid problem up on google and no help there

[20:39:13]

crudpuppy:

I'm emergeing it now

[20:39:15]

crudpuppy:

thanks

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juski:

you're new to linux & you chose Gentoo?!!!!!

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crudpuppy:

no

[20:39:39]

crudpuppy:

I'm not new to linux

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crudpuppy:

I'm new to myth

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|Torg|:

juski whats linux?

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juski:

you're not new to linux & you dunno about hardware stuff?!

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juski:

pfft

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crudpuppy:

if I was new to linux, I'd have crap'd my pants long before now

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crudpuppy:

on this stupid card

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juski:

a good place to start would be to name the damn thing

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|Torg|:

then lspci it, go look it up in dmesg

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|Torg|:

see if the driver loaded, read if it wants frimware

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crudpuppy:

it loaded

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crudpuppy:

it dont

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|Torg|:

look up its module and see if its linked to anything

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crudpuppy:

already dmesgd

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crudpuppy:

that how I new the module got loaded

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|Torg|:

then go finds whatever udev created for it and see if its is listed int eh kernel

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crudpuppy:

that and the video0 was created in v4l

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|Torg|:

see no problem its easy if you know liniux

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juski:

so it's more than likely some nondescript v4l framegrabber which'll give you sub-par performance in mythtv :)

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crudpuppy:

I recompiled my kernel jsut to get the dern thing recognized, lspci to get what it was then recompile, then its somewhat working

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crudpuppy:

I'm not to worried about performance at this point

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juski:

oh good

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crudpuppy:

I've got a good card pvr-150 coming for xmas

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juski:

you'd be disappointed otherwise :)

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crudpuppy:

this is a cheapo get me by to play with till then

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juski:

so it's a waste of time aswell then ;)

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juski:

tvtime finished emerging yet?

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crudpuppy:

yes, and I've got static

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crudpuppy:

lo9l

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crudpuppy:

lol

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juski:

woohoo

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juski:

next effort will be to try & get it tuned to something then

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juski:

which might be more fun than you could possible have ever imagined, knowing how well tuner autodetection works in v4l

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crudpuppy:

yeah, thats kinda what I figured

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crudpuppy:

lol

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crudpuppy:

give me some ideas?

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juski:

modprobe cx88 with various tuner= options

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juski:

one after the other, test, rinse, repeat

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juski:

great fun to be had there

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crudpuppy:

actually I compiled it in the kernel

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crudpuppy:

oh well

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crudpuppy:

time to recompile

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crudpuppy:

lol

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juski:

whoops

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juski:

it might have actually autodeteced it right you never know

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juski:

try scanning in tvtime

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crudpuppy:

well, it actually has a slight pictuer

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crudpuppy:

just real abd

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crudpuppy:

lol

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crudpuppy:

bad

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juski:

try it with an antenna plugged in now then

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crudpuppy:

its plugged into cable line

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crudpuppy:

lol

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crudpuppy:

scan in tvtime?

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juski:

yeah

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juski:

tvtime can do that, I think

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crudpuppy:

videoinput: Can't get tuner info: Invalid argument

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crudpuppy:

I don't think its quite right

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juski:

oh dear

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juski:

you better go off & rebuild that kernel then

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crudpuppy:

yepo

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crudpuppy:

bbl

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juski:

or just hurry your pvr150 card up a lot

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GE123:

I have a question about my Hauppage's Composite in, I know that myth itself will cache the cable (inducing a 2ish second delay) is there some way to disable this for the composite inputs? I want to hook a video game system up to it

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juski:

if only there weren't so many different 'pci tuner cards' ;)

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GE123:

I have a PVR-500

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juski:

GE123: nope

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|Torg|:

hey juski I want to do that to three 500G drives, how do I make them get off their ass and fil the order :P

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juski:

GE123: buy yerself a nice cheap v4l card & don't set it up in myth

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GE123:

are there any tuner cards that accept component in that anyone knows of?

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|Torg|:

pvr-150

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juski:

you can always add a 'view Wii' (or whatever) option to mythtv's menus to launch tvtime or whatever

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juski:

|Torg|: no, pvr150 has c o m p o s i t e

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|Torg|:

oh oops

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GE123:

juski what do you mean? I'm running a frontend/backend where the tuner is in another box

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juski:

and there are no tuner cards at consumer prices (which also work in linux) that'll take component

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opello:

hm, i was wondering about that, how hard is it to setup a composite source to record my wii, heh

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GE123:

I'm trying to get a better pic of my wii into my lcd, right now the composite in looks like crap

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NIklas_E:

anyone know if you can get english (or swedish sound) on eurosport on astra ?

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MooingLemur:

there is nothing consumer-grade to capture and encode component on any platform

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fryfrog:

hd material would be quite hard to encode real time, me thinks

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MooingLemur:

there are VCRs that will record component to tape though

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fryfrog:

either for your cpu or a chip

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MooingLemur:

purely analog

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juski:

the wii is only 480p anyway

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GE123:

yeah

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fryfrog:

MooingLemur: I thought they were firewire, not component?

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fryfrog:

ah, i guess if it stays analog it wouldn't really be terrible

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opello:

juski: is that real tough, to set myth up to record the composite input? (i'm still on 0.18.1 :/)

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juski:

you can go component > SDI > firewire (DV) but it'd be expensive

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fryfrog:

though i dunno why youd do component -> tabe, i can't see hwo it'd be worth it?

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juski:

opello: not really, but the lag will be unbearable

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juski:

D-VHS ;)

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opello:

juski: yeah, i figure a splitter to the tv

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fryfrog:

ah

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juski:

opello: no, it'll look like shit cos the signal will be double-terminated

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opello:

juski: or could i mplayer on another vc?

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opello:

ah :/

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juski:

you need an amp to do that

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GE123:

hmm, I smell a feature request lol

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juski:

or use the TV's composite out

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juski:

GE123: it'd be an unfulfilled feature request, like all the others :-P

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opello:

can i do something like mplayer /dev/video12 or whatever it is, on another desktop (not console, heh)

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GE123:

juski unfortunately yup

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juski:

opello: in theory yeah

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opello:

hm, now i'll have to try it, heh

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juski:

don't lets start another "I whined but nothing happened" debate ;)

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|Torg|:

how bad is a ATI TV Wonder, I have one sitting here on my desk I can play with

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GE123:

lol...ATI....

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GE123:

a curse

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|Torg|:

hey free is free

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juski:

good enough to grab frames & shove em out at 320x240 onto your desktop, maybe

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GE123:

true, I have 2 ATI cards...one in my laptop and one on this box...ugh

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GE123:

almost every day I wish I didn't have it....

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juski:

I spent about £150 on my ATI AiW many moons ago

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juski:

haven't bought ATI since

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juski:

nor will I

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|Torg|:

its not bed enough id go out and buy another as I dont care about SD, but if its here to play with is it worth while or is it just antoher card I have that goes in the box

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GE123:

I spent 250 on my 9800pro...never will buy another ATI again...but then I was forced to buy an ATI laptop (school)

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juski:

managed to grab a whole 10 mins worth of cruddy looking video with it

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juski:

V4W sucked

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fathom:

fryfrog, still around?

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juski:

mythmusic looking a tad nicer now... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/music.png

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fathom:

whoops didn't mean to close that

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fathom:

so i'm doing the QAM_256 scan, does this take a very very long time?

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manuleviking_abs:

i have a x1900 xt 512 mb, and ati drivers, and i will never buy an ati again, ati drivers in linux are horrible

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manuleviking_abs:

crappy drivers grrrrrrr

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|Torg|:

is there a zap program for these?

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GE123:

lol, the fact that you don't have to run XGL to get the cool-guy gfx w/ an NVIDIA card now is enough for me

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manuleviking_abs:

GE123: you have an ati cards right ?

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manuleviking_abs:

*card

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GE123:

yes I do

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fathom:

fryfrog, i was just wondering when i go to scan and i pick the frequency table, is it broacast, cable, cable high, cable hrc high, cable irc high? cable hrc or cable irc? i don't know what any of that means.

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manuleviking_abs:

GE123: me too, but with a x1900 xt, hd video is terribly slow

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manuleviking_abs:

i hate these drivers

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BULLE:

we can hope that now when ATI doesnt exist anymore, amd might actualy put some more effort into the linux drivers

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manuleviking_abs:

BULLE: yep

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BULLE:

amd has actualy supported linux pretty well

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manuleviking_abs:

i hope

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BULLE:

ye, me to, even though i have nvidia graphics right now

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manuleviking_abs:

is there someone that have a nvidia card here ( sorry for my terrible english ) ?

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BULLE:

i actualy tend to like the ati hardware more, even though i do agree that the linux drivers leaves a lot to be desired

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BULLE:

manuleviking_abs: i do

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BULLE:

manuleviking_abs: some cheap 7300 GS card

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manuleviking_abs:

BULLE: ok, so canyou play hd video with your card ?

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manuleviking_abs:

( = no slow video )

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manuleviking_abs:

on linux

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GE123:

manuleviking_abs what do you mean play HD...I can...usually

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GE123:

depends on my player and settings

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manuleviking_abs:

high definition

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BULLE:

manuleviking_abs: totaly depends on what hardware i have, besides the graphics card

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GE123:

yeah, like 720p, 1080p....

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manuleviking_abs:

trailers, etc.. things like that

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BULLE:

manuleviking_abs: and what format and bitrate the hd content is

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GE123:

and as BULLE says, it depends on other stuff too

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kormoc:

manuleviking_abs, I have a 6200

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BULLE:

there is a HUGE difference between mpeg2 and mpeg4-avc in terms of cpu useage

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kormoc:

manuleviking_abs, the graphics card helps, but really, HD is more dependant on the cpu

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GE123:

yup

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GE123:

I have an Athlon 3000+ and usually it can barely do it

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manuleviking_abs:

because with a ati x190 xt 512 mb, on windows it's right, but on linux, hd video like 1080p is terribly slow ! ( and this is not a bad card )

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manuleviking_abs:

*x1900

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kormoc:

manuleviking_abs, no, but ati's linux drivers are quite bad...

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manuleviking_abs:

kormoc: that's what i think, drivers... grrrrr

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manuleviking_abs:

it makes me crazy

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manuleviking_abs:

ati = only for windows

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GE123:

the open source driver isn't bad....if you don't want 3D

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manuleviking_abs:

:-

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manuleviking_abs:

:(

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manuleviking_abs:

at least with nvidia cards, you can have decent drivers :(

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** manuleviking_abs will surely buy a nvidia card soon **

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GE123:

I've been tempted to go out and get a 7800GS? the newest AGP one...

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BULLE:

i think there actualy are a few 7900 agp cards around

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BULLE:

but they are, for some reason, sold as 7800 special edition =)

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GE123:

lol

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BULLE:

i guess google can tell you more, if you want, i dont remember what brand it was

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GE123:

yeah..like how I have a 9800...which somehow showed up as a 9800pro after a little bios flash lol

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manuleviking_abs:

and with nvidia cards, performance ( on linux ) is quite the same with performance on windows, i think

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kormoc:

it tends to be very close if not the same, aye

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abarbaccia:

hey all – what state do you shut down to when you want to use wake on lan?

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BULLE:

kormoc: not with hd playback though

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BULLE:

kormoc: there is no support for the nvidia pure hd stuff, in linux

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manuleviking_abs:

kormoc: not for ati unfortunately,

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manuleviking_abs:

BULLE: but you can play hd videos on linux with nvidia cards, at least 1080p...

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GE123:

BULLE, Gainward ring a bell?

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manuleviking_abs:

try with an ati card ...

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kormoc:

BULLE, XvMC is the linux implimentation of nvidia's pure HD. Sure, it's not complete, but overall, they tend to stay in sync

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kormoc:

BULLE, and it will only get better with time

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manuleviking_abs:

this website is great for those who want to buy a graphic card, and compared nvidia – ati drivers

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abarbaccia:

anybody use wake on lan? i needa know which state to shutdown to because it seems like the poweroff state isnt what im looking for

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manuleviking_abs:

http://www.phoronix.com/

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Cardoe:

kormoc: XvMC is Pure Video... not Pure HD

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Cardoe:

kormoc: XvMC 2.0 will be Pure HD

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Cardoe:

kormoc: i.e. XvMC isn't designed for High Def content and resolutions

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kormoc:

Cardoe, in my tests, XvMC hasn't had any issues with hd stuff I've thrown at it, but fair nuff

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|Torg|:

Cardoe XvMC inst pure video, not exactly

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ed__:

hi ive screwed my mythtv install and need to reinstall everything (including mysql). im a ubuntu user and have marked mysql-server for complete removal in synaptic, and then reinstalled it yet for some reason im missing /etc/mysql/my.cnf so i can't start up mysql. anyone know what i should do?

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|Torg|:

mysql

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Cardoe:

|Torg|: Not exactly but it's a close approximation... It's a much better comparison of XvMC to Pure Video then XvMC to Pure HD

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|Torg|:

drop database mythconverg

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|Torg|:

quit

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kormoc:

|Torg|, that won't help a missing my.cnf

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|Torg|:

then start over

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kormoc:

|Torg|, mysql won't even run without a my.cnf...

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|Torg|:

yes Cardoe thats what I meant its not exactly the same

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Cardoe:

|Torg|: He's not even to the mysql running step.

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NIklas_E:

is it possible to check if there is other audio in mythtv (on a channel at astra)?

[21:18:44]

|Torg|:

yes I see, sorry

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|Torg|:

im playing with xawtv, damn thing keeps wanting to rune PAL

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crudpuppy:

ok, anyone know the proper tuner= option for the norwood micro card?

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crudpuppy:

freaking tuner #s go from 0 – 74

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crudpuppy:

I aint trying em all

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crudpuppy:

lol

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crudpuppy:

not that intent on getting this thing workin

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crudpuppy:

lol

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|Torg|:

it should autodetect it

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crudpuppy:

it dont

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crudpuppy:

lol

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crudpuppy:

static mess with lil bit o picture if I leave it empty

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crudpuppy:

oh and I had to set card= too

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crudpuppy:

which that I found

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crudpuppy:

its in the list

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crudpuppy:

but found a list of tuner=

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crudpuppy:

and its not in there

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crudpuppy:

guess I gotta look at the chip

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TimothyP:

Hi, I installed mythtv for a backend, I had to change the password for user mythtv hope that is ok, and started gnome (basic gnome install) now when I run mythtv-setup I get the applicaton but no text, I see menu can scroll up or down it it but no text, any ideas?

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|Torg|:

its also posible its not suported

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crudpuppy:

well the card was in the list from dmesg

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crudpuppy:

for card=

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crudpuppy:

but the chip may not be your correct

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crudpuppy:

bbl, gonna have to shut down so I can pull the card

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BULLE:

crudpuppy: that doesnt mean that you have support for the turner

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crudpuppy:

yeah I know

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TimothyP:

btw |Torg| I got LVM working it's so so easy , but it's reported not to work with cd, just did it after install in like 5 minutes :p

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|Torg|:

good job

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TimothyP:

X Error: RenderBadPicture (Invalid Picture Parameter) 177 Major opcode 151 Minor opcode 23 REsource id: 0x1e008b

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|Torg|:

TimothyP what video card do you have?

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TimothyP:

NVIDIA Geforce 7300

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TimothyP:

should I install Nvidia drivers (doh Now I think of it:s)

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TimothyP:

I'll install them first :)

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TimothyP:

hehe

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|Torg|:

yes go install the drivers

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TimothyP:

btw is it bad I had to set password for mythtv

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TimothyP:

normally it's the first thing I do, totally forgot about it in my good mood because things are working :p

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|Torg|:

not at all, not if you know what your doing

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TimothyP:

will I have to change anything in mythtv for it to be able to run becaause I changed the pass?

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|Torg|:

yes,

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TimothyP:

OMG

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TimothyP:

I'm so sleeping

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TimothyP:

it's an ATI card in that pc

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TimothyP:

what drivers should I get :p

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TimothyP:

so not used to ati

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TimothyP:

forgot my nvidoa 6800 blew up last week:p

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TimothyP:

should work if I just get them from apt right?

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|Torg|:

flgrx

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TimothyP:

thxn

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TimothyP:

:)

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|Torg|:

id go get antoher nvida card

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TimothyP:

probably one down stairs somewhere

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TimothyP:

anyway this is only the backend

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TimothyP:

hmmm driver installed

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TimothyP:

and working

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TimothyP:

but doing me no good

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TimothyP:

still got same error

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TimothyP:

screen is more messed up now :p

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TimothyP:

hmm gears are going very slow

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TimothyP:

must be missing somethint

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TimothyP:

nothign a quick search on ubuntuguide shouldn't fix

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juski:

sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx

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juski:

oops, not for ATI

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TimothyP:

nope :)

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TimothyP:

hehe

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TimothyP:

normally I install the beta nvidia drivers

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TimothyP:

but I forgot it was an ati in that box, I never use ati

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stuarta:

juski: i'm having one of these while at home http://www.arthurhungry.com/archives/2006/01/ . . . mous_ha.html

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juski:

nice :)

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** stuarta drools over the picture. **

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|Torg|:

sounds sick

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TimothyP:

eeuw :(

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juski:

health fascists! ;)

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|Torg|:

almost as bad as that hamberbur with bacon and cheese I had in london

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stuarta:

they are awesome. the special with cheese is the go!

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TimothyP:

food in london LOL THAT JUST CAN'T be good

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stuarta:

pah! burger in london! meat n bread don't make a hamburger

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juski:

could be worse. you've never been to scotland

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|Torg|:

after eating the food in the pubs I realised why they all drank ale instead :P

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|Torg|:

WTF is a beetroot?

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stuarta:

the best one -> lettuce, tomato, onions, patty & cheese

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stuarta:

a red root vegetable

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juski:

I agree that traditional English food is shite

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|Torg|:

ehy that pork pie was pretty good

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juski:

apart from roast beef of course

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stuarta:

have to admit, roasts are good here.

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juski:

the trick in the UK is always to avoid places where tourists go

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stuarta:

indeed

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|Torg|:

and steak and ale pie rocks!

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Pryon:

beets == ambrosia

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stuarta:

ambrosia.... thought that was custard

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juski:

pickled beetroot <8

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TimothyP:

lol english and food don't go together

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|Torg|:

in fact can you import some steak and ale pies to me :)

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Pryon:

ambrosia in the sense of "food of the gods" :-)

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BULLE:

juski: he, i have fond memories of going to pubs in the uk

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juski:

you guys with your preconceptions.. pfft

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stuarta:

game done well is very nice.

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TimothyP:

juski ?

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stuarta:

things like pheasant

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BULLE:

juski: especialy one in cambridge, i doubt the house would have been legal here in sweden

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|Torg|:

juski there POSTconceptions :P

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juski:

like in the US it's XXL everything with extra carcinogens & fat, please

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BULLE:

juski: it was so run down, there were holes in the wall here and there, so you could see out =)

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TimothyP:

juski trust me half my family is english, I ate the food , no thank you :p

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juski:

heh

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TimothyP:

and I don't live in the US :p

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stuarta:

the bloke who runs that burger joint goes down the markets to get fresh stuff every day

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TimothyP:

in fact I hate fast food, now hang on while I finish my pizza :p

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|Torg|:

altho they pizza was spurisingly good

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|Torg|:

and that was sorta feaky

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juski:

now yeah if you're on your way home & stop at a burger takeaway joint after the pub... now there you'd be dicing with gastroenteritis

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|Torg|:

juski its the same here

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|Torg|:

we call them sliders :)

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juski:

but these days apparently the most popular English food is Chicken Tikka Masala

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** TimothyP gets nvidia card, ati sucks **

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stuarta:

which doesn't originate from india :-P

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|Torg|:

I thoguth it was vindaloo myslef

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juski:

nah

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juski:

vindaloo is for narks which more beer than sense IMHO

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stuarta:

vindaloo reminds me of red dwarf

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BULLE:

stuarta: indeed

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juski:

s/which/with

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BULLE:

and that series was gr8

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stuarta:

only thing that can kill a vindaloo is beer!

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juski:

up to series 6 it was gr8

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|Torg|:

stuarta what us Americans call Indian food, came from London. What we call Chinnese came from San Francisco, and what we call Itialion came from New York or Chicago

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stuarta:

bought them all on dvd a month ago...

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juski:

I know it was silly before but it got ridiculous

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|Torg|:

if an Amaerican had REAL Mexican food I think they would get sick

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stuarta:

anyone read the red dwarf books?

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|Torg|:

and I doubt VERy seriusly any woul eat real Chinesse food

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stuarta:

they are cool

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opello:

stuarta: there are books? the show was awesome

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juski:

had some great food in Morocco :)

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stuarta:

follow the first series or two, and then they went "fuck it" lets write a different ending

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BULLE:

|Torg|: nothing wrong with chinese food, as long as long as you can afford decent ingredients

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juski:

was also spoiled once staying on a company tab in Antibes in the S. of France

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juski:

go easy on the MSG though, BULLE ;)

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BULLE:

MSG ?

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juski:

monosodium glutomate

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|Torg|:

Mono Sodium Glutimate

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stuarta:

opello: well worth reading. last minute christmas present :)

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BULLE:

damn, now you guys made me google, just to figure out what MSG is

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juski:

sounds like a weapon in DoomII innit

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|Torg|:

and BULLE I didnt say there was anything wrong with it, just that most Americans have no clue as the oragin of the food they eat

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stuarta:

juski: yeah it has the same effect on me as a weapon

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TimothyP:

ok the nvidia card is in there

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juski:

yeh me too if there's too much

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stuarta:

MSG + friends are evil (621, 627 and 631 for the record)

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stuarta:

621 = MSG aka flavour enhancer

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juski:

5 mins to wait & see if avidemux has dropped a bollock

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** stuarta suffers ENOJACKDANIELS **

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BULLE:

stuarta: hurgh

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juski:

I'm patiently waiting on JD arriving at xmas

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BULLE:

jack daniels, is poison, i bet it has lots of MSG in it =P

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** BULLE ducks **

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** juski waits for some 'scotch' bore to waffle on about vintages etc **

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|Torg|:

JD is rather low quaility but I dont think it has any MSG :P

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|Torg|:

JD isnt scotch its borbon

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juski:

it tastes fairly pleasant & gets you drunk. what more do you want?

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Cybertoy:

jack'n'coke ... :)

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Cybertoy:

good idea

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juski:

oh wait, it's not big & clever to drink 40 units of alcohol in one sitting anymore

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TimothyP:

well whatda you know I got perfect picture now :)

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juski:

pfft

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TimothyP:

hehe

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Pryon:

technically, JD is not bourbon since it's not made in Kentucky

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|Torg|:

bourbon does not HAVE to be from Kentucy

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juski:

as for Southern Comfort... that's a lasses' drink made from camel piss

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Pryon:

not legally (like, say, champagne)

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Pryon:

But if you refer to JD as bourbon in KY you will probably have to defend yourself

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|Torg|:

Southern Comfort is what you get when you mix maple syrupt and PGA :P

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juski:

.. at least that's what I think after coming a close second in a drinking competition I got into one NYE. 1.5 litres later

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stuarta:

JD is whiskey, but taste more like bourbon.

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|Torg|:

but like I said LD is rather low quaility, but well marketed

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juski:

you gets what yous pays for

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|Torg|:

JD is bourbin the distinction being its made from corn

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Paladine:

well i can definitely recommend Hogfather

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Paladine:

I recorded "the making of..." too

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juski:

lo & behold it's repeated ad infinitum all this week

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|Torg|:

and the reason they take expcetion to JD in Kentycky is its made in Tennessee

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juski:

I can't figure out how there are 'dry' states in the US

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juski:

that's just screwed up, big style

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|Torg|:

mix religion and polotics

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juski:

you can own a gun but you can't drink alcohol?!

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stuarta:

commerce and politics

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Paladine:

juski, you are talking about a nation with a town called Intercourse

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|Torg|:

we call it morality, it is in fact social enginering and has failed miserably most of the time

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Paladine:

nothing shold suprise you

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|Torg|:

that "dry" laws account for muc of the impared driving int he US

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Pryon:

most of the congregations in those "dry" areas would probably be astouned at the amount of alcohol consumed within them

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|Torg|:

I live in a day county, so I hav to drvie about 50 miles to buy alchohol

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|Torg|:

problem is I dont liekt o drive so far so i generally have to sign a release when I do becase I buy so much

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Pryon:

wow

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juski:

so it's not like you have to _smuggle_ though, is it?

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Pryon:

Is possession illegal or merely sale?

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|Torg|:

no its not illegal, just a bother to do so

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TimothyP:

I have a PVR-500 and I'm adding capture cards now, do I need to add 2 capture cards or just one since it has 2 tuners

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|Torg|:

I cant take it to antoehr state tho

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juski:

wha? do they check folks' cars & stuff?

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juski:

or do they come round & audit you at home?

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|Torg|:

but they do look at you funny when you buy 4 cases of wine, 8 cases of beer and a case of liquor

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|Torg|:

they make me sign a release they aI wont sell it and I tell them its ok ill be back next week :P

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juski:

haha

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|Torg|:

and nobody comes to my house to check

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Paladine:

juski, I bought one of those rf controllers

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Paladine:

should be here by the end of the week

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juski:

Paladine: lemme know how you get on :)

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Paladine:

will do

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Paladine:

the chap seems really nice

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|Torg|:

BTW if you go a bit south here we will sell you mixes drinks, in a cup and a staw, just dont drink it

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Paladine:

i asked about warranties and guarantees he just said if it breaks send it back and I will repair it, no time limit

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|Torg|:

and the gas staion just inside the nexty country line sells beers on ice, just as you walk out the door

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TimothyP:

never mind that question

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|Torg|:

I guess thats so it sont get as warm

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juski:

oh yeah avidemux screwed that video good & proper

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TimothyP:

but I do not understand the difference between video source and input connections

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stuarta:

sounds like out gloucester way where they sell cider that explodes if you don't drink it quick enough

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juski:

yeeee-haw!

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Paladine:

stuarta, thats an old anti welsh thing ;)

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juski:

been watching Dom Joly's Pub Crawl on $ky.. quite interesting

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stuarta:

got my good irish friend some. it's lovely, but smells vile

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TimothyP:

is a video source just a way to get channel information ?

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juski:

TimothyP: yeah

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|Torg|:

it dont taste so good either

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TimothyP:

well I haven't got cable at the moment so can I skip this?

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juski:

I ran a short campaign to have it renamed to 'EPG data source' but gave up

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TimothyP:

I'm just gonna test with composite input

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TimothyP:

cable will only be installed in a few weeks

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stuarta:

no, this stuff is *lovely* but you can tell you need to respect it

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juski:

TimothyP: 'Video Source' is just a programme guide source

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TimothyP:

ok :)

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TimothyP:

I'll skip for now

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TimothyP:

following this http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.1 :)

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juski:

you attach said 'video sources' to tuner card inputs so they can get populated with EPG data

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Paladine:

stuarta, you shoul try Firewater (cinnamon schnapps) made by the same people who make goldshlager

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Paladine:

it is about 180 proof or something stupid

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stuarta:

mmmmm nice. golschlager is great

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|Torg|:

is that the stuff that tastes like cough syrup?

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stuarta:

after 5 does it matter?

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Paladine:

I have very bad memories of an afternoon playing liar dice in a bar in california with double firewaters as the forfeit

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stuarta:

ouch

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Paladine:

and tequila chasers

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juski:

if you have any memories you didn't have enough ;)

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Paladine:

with bud for refreshment

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TimothyP:

hmmm

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juski:

drinking games are usually bad news anyway

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frink_:

Anybody know what that MythTV/Fedora 5 distro was called/where to get it? Fedora 6 is broken :(

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TimothyP:

just defined an input for Composite 1

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juski:

mythdora

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|Torg|:

tequilla is ment to be sipped, like scotch, not shot and mised with salt or lime

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Paladine:

juski, I drank so much of this stuff I was flammable for a week

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TimothyP:

but it didn't add it

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Paladine:

Torg, no only good tequila is for sipping, like Don Eduardo for example

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stuarta:

Paladine: hehehe :)

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Paladine:

and theproblem is good tequila starts at about 75 bucks a bottle

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TimothyP:

Composite shouldn't have a video source :s

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|Torg|:

Paladine I dont drink cheap tequilla, so all of mine is for sipping :P

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|Torg|:

well expect the sausa silver I mix with

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Paladine:

<- tequila connosseur(sp?)

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Paladine:

I have a bottle of genuine mescal upstairs

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Paladine:

but I am not allowed to drink anymore

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|Torg|:

I prefer to store mine in the bar

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juski:

used to work at a nightclub (or 5) & went to a party at xmas.. after the meal we all piled back to the club & started doing these Club18–30 style games. Drink neat spirits from the bottle, spin around godknows how many times & pick something up off the floor. there was projectile vomit everywhere

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TimothyP:

what do I give for Composite for channel frequence and stuff since it doesn't have frequencies :s

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|Torg|:

I dont drink any more eitehr, dont drink any less for that matter

[22:35:22]

juski:

TimothyP: course it doesn't have any frequencies

[22:35:32]

juski:

it needs a video source & channels still though

[22:35:36]

TimothyP:

well it's asking me nevertheless

[22:35:46]

TimothyP:

I just said 0

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Paladine:

torg, that would be funny if I wasn't uber stoned and hadn't been up for over 2 days

[22:35:52]

TimothyP:

should do right?

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|Torg|:

hey juski rember that ATI tv Wodner card you said was so bad, I put it in and it wroed in about 15 mins

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juski:

yeah well that was an ATI ALL IN WONDER (why it never worked) that I had

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TimothyP:

Card 1 (tpe Composite 1) is set to start on channel 3, which does not exist

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juski:

TimothyP: you need to define a video source & some channels

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TimothyP:

I'll create a video source called "nothing" I'll choose no grabber and then channel frequency table just anything right?

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|Torg|:

TimothyP what did you connect to it?

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TimothyP:

a gamcube for now, not that I'm going to play on it , but just to see the image

[22:39:19]

TimothyP:

could have been a dvd playe rfor all I care :)

[22:39:25]

juski:

TimothyP: what do you want to achieve? if it's a working mythtv system you're not going the right way about it ;)

[22:39:29]

TimothyP:

just something that provides input and I tested it with mplayer

[22:39:32]

|Torg|:

then remove it from mythtv

[22:39:37]

TimothyP:

well let me explain :)

[22:39:51]

TimothyP:

the idea is to have television on there, but they are not coming to connect my cable for another few weeks

[22:39:57]

TimothyP:

and my satelite isn't mounted on the wall yet

[22:40:02]

TimothyP:

so all I have to test is a stupid gamecube :)

[22:40:05]

TimothyP:

on composite 1

[22:40:12]

TimothyP:

which I can view in linux using mplayer /dev/video0

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|Torg|:

so what is it you want to do then?

[22:40:29]

TimothyP:

so I figured it should be possible to view that same thing in mythtv

[22:40:35]

TimothyP:

well for now I just want to set upt the backend

[22:40:42]

|Torg|:

did you connect something with input to the card?

[22:40:44]

TimothyP:

and then from my macbook I want to view that single composite thing I have

[22:40:47]

TimothyP:

yes

[22:40:51]

TimothyP:

a gamecube to composite 1

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|Torg|:

well the mythtv cant not tune gamegube it tunes tv stations

[22:41:08]

TimothyP:

and mplayer /dev/video0 gives me the images from that gamecube so I know the input and hardware are working :)

[22:41:18]

|Torg|:

if you dont tell myth to tune to a station, it wont do it

[22:41:22]

TimothyP:

what it can't take something from composite???

[22:41:32]

juski:

you can't play games through a pvr card either, FYI

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|Torg|:

therefor there is nothing youc an do to "set it up" as there is nothing to setup

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juski:

or you _could_ but you'd suck

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|Torg|:

you proved it works, now get it a real input

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TimothyP:

I'm not looking to play games :)

[22:41:57]

TimothyP:

My satelite system connects to composite

[22:41:59]

TimothyP:

not RF :(

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juski:

so you need an IR blaster aswell

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|Torg|:

ok lets put this another way

[22:42:23]

TimothyP:

why wouldn't mythtv be able to view input from a composite channel

[22:42:44]

TimothyP:

ok forget about the gamecube , I have a satelite box connected to my card now but it's still connected to composite 1

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|Torg|:

mythtv TUNES AND RECORDS STATIONS, NO STATIONS=NO TUNE, NO TUNE=NO RECORD, NO TUNE+NO RECORD= NO mtyhtv

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|Torg|:

get it?

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TimothyP:

and I know myttv will not be able to switch channels on that satelite box but I have another solution for that

[22:43:16]

TimothyP:

ok I get what you're saying but if so

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|Torg|:

you have to give mythtv something to tune to, weither its an rf tuner, a dvb card, or an external STB with irblaster

[22:43:40]

TimothyP:

why does mythtv show Tuner 1 , Tuner 2, COmposite 1 Composite 2 , S-video 1 , S-video 2 if you cannot take any input from composite or svideo

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|Torg|:

but if you dont have anything to give it there is noting to test

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|Torg|:

you proved the card works, your done

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Paladine:

you can

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Paladine:

I use svideo

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TimothyP:

seee :)

[22:44:03]

TimothyP:

that's what I wanted to hear

[22:44:14]

TimothyP:

now we're getting somewhere (no offence Torg)

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|Torg|:

its ok, ill sit and wait to see how far you get :)

[22:44:52]

TimothyP:

:)

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TimothyP:

sorry :)

[22:45:00]

TimothyP:

but I just have to understand this

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TimothyP:

because I do not understand why a system like Mythtv would not allow me to view omething from a composite channel

[22:45:22]

TimothyP:

any other media center thingy does it

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Paladine:

timothy, I assigned my svideo input to a channel

[22:45:41]

Paladine:

if it is not assigned to a chanel you can't view it

[22:45:43]

TimothyP:

Paladine, ok what I have now is I have input connectiosn where I see all the stuff, tuners, composite svideo

[22:45:45]

TimothyP:

what's next?

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TimothyP:

I skip Video sources and goto 5 channel right?

[22:46:05]

Paladine:

man I have done this twice and havn't done it for months

[22:46:10]

Paladine:

I been up 2+ days

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Paladine:

and I am medicated

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TimothyP:

np

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TimothyP:

:)

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TimothyP:

I'll just go to channel editor

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Paladine:

no chance of me remembering the step by steps at this point

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juski:

mythtv is a PVR app, not a 'watch tv' app

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TimothyP:

Torg for your amusement and Paladine to help you remember I'll go step by step

[22:47:10]

TimothyP:

juski I'm not trying to watch tv I'm trying to connect an input wether it be a camera or a satelite box to my composite and record from it

[22:47:11]

stuarta:

yeah, the tv is for *watching* *tv*

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Paladine:

but it has to have a channel assigned or it can't play

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Paladine:

I assigned my svideo to channel 1

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** TimothyP clicks NEw Channel **

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** TimothyP enters channel name MySampleChannel , Channel Number 1, Video Source: all I have is a default source I created which does not make sense but ok, icon and everythign else I leave empty **

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TimothyP:

next scree: freqeuency or channel

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juski:

you can leave that blank

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Paladine:

you have added capture device and input/source right?

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TimothyP:

I assume channel here differs from channel in the previous screen as in channel here means the actuall frequance on the RF signal

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TimothyP:

yes

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TimothyP:

:)

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juski:

yup

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TimothyP:

Channel Options – Video 4 linux : Frequency or Channel

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TimothyP:

do I just put 0 here

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TimothyP:

or 1 or whatever

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juski:

just leave it

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TimothyP:

ok

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Paladine:

I didn't have to put the frequency in for svideo, I think I scanned the source iirc

[22:49:30]

TimothyP:

ok this time it added it

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TimothyP:

so

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TimothyP:

conclusion I must have done something wrong last time as last time it didn't save

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juski:

you have to go all the way thru to 'finish'

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TimothyP:

now I have that set up

[22:49:59]

TimothyP:

I try to leave setup

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TimothyP:

and I get

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Paladine:

don't forget to run mythfilldatabase

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TimothyP:

Card 1 (Type Composite 1) is set to start on channel 3 which does not exist, do you want to fix this problem?

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juski:

hah

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Paladine:

what happens if you press Y?

[22:50:41]

TimothyP:

I'm actually having fun with this

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TimothyP:

I go back to the options 1 2 3 4 5

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juski:

so set card1 to start on channel 1 or whatever you numbered the fake channel

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|Torg|:

and your gogin to set that to channel 3 how? since you have no scanned or imported channels?

[22:50:58]

TimothyP:

ah indeed

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TimothyP:

Torg as far as I know I have ONE channel :)

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TimothyP:

I'm a boring person I only need one channel :p

[22:51:25]

Paladine:

when you did the initial scan it should have picked up 1 channel

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juski:

renumber the channel you made to 3, problem solved

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TimothyP:

so if that works the guide is wrong in that way it says to follow steps 1 to 5 in order while I need to go to step 4 again after 5 :)

[22:52:26]

TimothyP:

bingo that does it :)

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TimothyP:

ok so bug :)

[22:52:35]

TimothyP:

setting channel 1 and telling card to start at 1 does not work

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Paladine:

a guide is exactly that, a guide ;)

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TimothyP:

telling card nothing and setting channel to 3 does work :)

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juski:

gonna watch a recording with nero showtime :)

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Paladine:

an instruction manual is different to a guide ;)

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brad_mssw:

juski: upnp support?

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juski:

brad_mssw: yup

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TimothyP:

hmm :)

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TimothyP:

this gets better

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TimothyP:

ok I'm done :)

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TimothyP:

now I just power up a client ?

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** TimothyP gets macbook **

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Paladine:

am going to bed

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Paladine:

night

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|Torg|:

night Paladine

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TimothyP:

goodnight

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TimothyP:

and thnx

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Paladine:

np, have fun

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TimothyP:

|Torg| you still waiting to see me go flat on my ass? :)

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|Torg|:

I didnt say flat on your ass, I said not too far

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TimothyP:

hehe

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TimothyP:

:)

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TimothyP:

let me start the frontend

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TimothyP:

this should be funny as last time I noticed the backend wasn't very clean at handling exceptions

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|Torg|:

at best your gogin to get myth to record your console, which makes it a fully unnessasary pirce of equpipmetnt

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TimothyP:

yes but that's what I need for now

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|Torg|:

you already proved teh hardware works, not you need to intefgrate it with whatever input siourse

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TimothyP:

you see in the time that I have to wait for my cable to get connected

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|Torg|:

since you have no input source you are stuck untill you get one

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TimothyP:

I can start working on integrating all the clients in the house

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|Torg|:

you proved teh car starts and runs, but have no road to drive it on

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frink_:

ahhh it was called mythdora

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juski:

frink_: I told you

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TimothyP:

I just needed something for input didn't care what now I can start integrating clients in the hosue

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frink_:

juski: yeah I saw – thanks!

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TimothyP:

I want tv all over the hosue :)

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TimothyP:

house :)

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TimothyP:

and it works :)

[22:57:31]

TimothyP:

yes :)

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TimothyP:

sweet

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frink_:

FC6 has some brokeness that causes it to break :(

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frink_:

unsurprisingly.

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juski:

22:33 <+juski> mythdora

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** TimothyP tries macbook now **

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TimothyP:

where do I put music for mythtv to find?

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TimothyP:

I bought an asus media pc to put under tv but it's like way to load, bit dissapointed in it

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frink_:

TimothyP: I have the ASUS Digimatrix.. They seem OK.

[22:59:22]

TimothyP:

dunno what I have I'd have to look to be honest

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frink_:

heh

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TimothyP:

that's how this whole backend thing got started :)

[22:59:48]

frink_:

DiGimatrix is like two inches high by say 1 foot square.

[22:59:56]

TimothyP:

I didn't intend to but the case arrived and the PVR500 kinda didn't fit :p

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frink_:

Heh, I had a backend that was crashing all the time, I thought it was hardware but now it seems it was FC6...

[23:00:10]

TimothyP:

:)

[23:00:19]

TimothyP:

Fedora tends to bite people in the a...

[23:00:33]

TimothyP:

I'm using ubuntu server + generic kernel + minimal xserver

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TimothyP:

as backend

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frink_:

I had one of them Topfield things, PVR5800 – useless bit of crap it is. Even the mods/etc for it dont work very well.

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frink_:

Actually I still have the topfield.. MythTV floors it.

[23:01:05]

TimothyP:

can't remember where I found that frontend for macos

[23:01:12]

frink_:

actually, a cron script would floor it.

[23:01:25]

frink_:

TimothyP: I found it on swik.net (osx front end)

[23:01:32]

TimothyP:

thnx :)

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juski:

gah swik.net.. evil bastard thing

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TimothyP:

what a weird site :s

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TimothyP:

darn

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TimothyP:

it's still for the old backend :s

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WhiteRabit:

has anyone figured out a way to tune 5C channels over firewire? I can't even tune Comedy Central! Wasn't tehre some way I heard about by passing through a DVHS box?

[23:07:21]

juski:

WhiteRabit: er.. that wouldn't be a topic for discussion here

[23:07:33]

stuarta:

nope. that's the intention behind 5c

[23:10:21]

juski:

that's a mark against showtime.. no dvb subtitles

[23:11:00]

TimothyP:

how do I find out what password clients should use for the mysql database?

[23:11:16]

juski:

/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[23:11:25]

juski:

or ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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TimothyP:

thnx

[23:11:34]

stuarta:

or.....

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k-man_:

is it true that the dual tuner pci cards actually have USB based tuners on them?

[23:12:15]

juski:

some of em yeah

[23:12:27]

TimothyP:

don't think the PVR500 does, I threw my USB wintv out the door

[23:12:35]

stuarta:

i'm keen to check out the new dual pci-e cards

[23:12:35]

TimothyP:

doh

[23:12:38]

juski:

PCI-USB bridge & 2 usb tuners

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k-man_:

juski, do they work well under linux?

[23:12:53]

TimothyP:

the server uses network protocol version 31 but the client only understand 23

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juski:

k-man_: allegedly

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k-man_:

any better or worse than the pure pci ones?

[23:13:11]

juski:

TimothyP: uh-oh. Ewrongdistro!

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TimothyP:

:p

[23:13:20]

TimothyP:

oh well :)

[23:13:33]

TimothyP:

31 is the latest right?

[23:13:36]

GreyFoxx:

32

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TimothyP:

great

[23:13:42]

GreyFoxx:

32 is latest in svn trunk

[23:13:46]

TimothyP:

is that a bad thing?

[23:13:46]

GreyFoxx:

32 is latest in -fixes

[23:13:55]

GreyFoxx:

err 31 is latest in -fixes

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stuarta:

!trout GreyFoxx version

[23:14:05]

** MythLogBot slaps GreyFoxx with a version trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[23:14:07]

TimothyP:

if a client supports 32 will it still support 31?

[23:14:11]

juski:

nope

[23:14:24]

GreyFoxx:

TimothyP: nope

[23:14:25]

juski:

welcome to the wonderful world of versions

[23:14:26]

TimothyP:

so everytime mythtv upgrades clients break

[23:14:34]

k-man_:

so what is a good pci twin tuner dvb capture card to get?

[23:14:35]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[23:14:37]

juski:

if it works, why upgrade it?

[23:14:39]

TimothyP:

couldn't they define well defined protocols

[23:14:43]

TimothyP:

well

[23:14:43]

|Torg|:

not always, but most times

[23:14:51]

GreyFoxx:

TimothyP: It is expected that a user will run uniform versions

[23:14:52]

TimothyP:

I wouldn't upgrade it

[23:14:58]

TimothyP:

but I need to be able to find the clients

[23:14:59]

GreyFoxx:

not mix and match

[23:15:02]

|Torg|:

if it aint broke....

[23:15:03]

juski:

couldn't they attract users who never whine about anything?>!

[23:15:06]

TimothyP:

so clients should still be available right?

[23:15:13]

TimothyP:

I'm not whining juski

[23:15:18]

TimothyP:

it's called gathering information

[23:15:19]

juski:

not much, no

[23:15:20]

|Torg|:

juski did you make tht theme green yet :P

[23:15:22]

GreyFoxx:

how do you mean availabnle ?

[23:15:23]

TimothyP:

I love the project

[23:15:24]

juski:

did I hell

[23:15:48]

TimothyP:

but If I'm going to install this with customers I need to know what I'm doing so every detail matters :)

[23:15:54]

juski:

I borrowed some pages from Chutt's book, if he doesn't mind :)

[23:16:13]

GreyFoxx:

TimothyP: Users are expected to run the same revision on clients and backends

[23:16:15]

TimothyP:

GreyFoxx stupid question on my part never mind :)

[23:16:25]

TimothyP:

well I'll keep that in mind then )

[23:16:30]

stuarta:

juski: Chutt's book of user interaction????

[23:16:37]

TimothyP:

which means I'll go download version 31 clients :p

[23:16:38]

GreyFoxx:

certain things might break, certain things might still work, but if the protocols don';t match we don't guarantee anything :)

[23:16:39]

juski:

some distro packagers manage to get all the right versions of everything

[23:16:53]

TimothyP:

the frontends will be ubuntu and macos

[23:16:58]

juski:

stuarta: just about. I was too far the other way before

[23:17:14]

juski:

far too touchy. now I just don't GAF

[23:17:18]

TimothyP:

but for now I need to download a knoppix mythtv frontend which supports version 31

[23:17:20]

juski:

(kind of)

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juski:

there isn't one

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TimothyP:

this keeps getting better :)

[23:17:47]

TimothyP:

ok I'll just install ubuntu tommorow same version as here

[23:17:49]

TimothyP:

and that 'll do it :)

[23:17:53]

GreyFoxx:

Timoth : If you control all of the clients you could consider setting up something so that are bootup they auto check a central source to see if they need to update

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|Torg|:

you MUST have the same version BE as FE

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TimothyP:

if they don't upgrade the apt repos which they won't

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|Torg|:

and 31 is not definative enough to diferntiate the differnce

[23:18:09]

TimothyP:

GreyFoxx that's an idea

[23:18:40]

TimothyP:

Torg I know I need same version, so I'm just looking for clients whith version 31 as my BE is 31 :p

[23:18:51]

jams:

not only is it an idea, but it's an idea that works rather well

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TimothyP:

if not knoppix I'll havve to install the same ubuntu on the frontend like I did on the backends

[23:19:03]

TimothyP:

jams you implemented that?

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TimothyP:

is the BE easy to upgrade then ?

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jams:

for myself

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|Torg|:

its very simple, *IF* you know what your doing

[23:19:28]

juski:

hey if you want mythtv to stay the same forever just keep the database & features the same

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TimothyP:

anyway I'm going (sorry about all the annoying questions but they really helped , so thnx)

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WhiteRabit:

juski: perhaps i'm somewhere that ignores copy restriction, like where its legal to use myth to play a dvd ;)

[23:21:14]

juski:

WhiteRabit: then you still won't be talking about it in here

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|Torg|:

WhiteRabit we cant talk about grey area stuff here, go look up xine and dvd on google

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juski:

we don't tell folks how to play encrippled dvds here either

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jams:

GreyFoxx- any updates on that school project?

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** |Torg| wonders if WhiteRabit botherd to read his log files **

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** stuarta wonders if someone forgot the red pill **

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stuarta:

ENOJACKDANIELS

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** juski passes stuarta some vodka **

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WhiteRabit:

actually, i'm just using firewire_tester and test-mpeg2... some channels work, some channels fail entirely... so no logs really to speak of

[23:27:03]

WhiteRabit:

but does mythtv have its own specific logfiles other than what i see on the console?

[23:27:38]

WhiteRabit:

no, i'm not asking for use tuning 5c channels... i'm still going to use firewire for the non 5c channels and I haven't gotten around to setting that up yet

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** stuarta has refilled with JACK!!! **

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juski:

some cable providers don't even use 5c, others turn it on & off seemingly randomly, allegedly

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|Torg|:

I thoguht the brodcast flag was defeated

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juski:

that was just for OTA HD I think

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|Torg|:

suposedly my card can do qam and it ignores it too

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juski:

5c is something else altogether

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|Torg|:

ok what is it, because I thought it was the bcast flag

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juski:

it's still a consortium of companies wanting to protect their content though

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juski:

like Macrovision but more complex

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juski:

in effect it IS a broadcast flag

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juski:

but not 'the' broadcast flag AFAICT

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stuarta:

it's an evil bastard cousin of it

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|Torg|:

well cable compaies are teh evil bastard of content

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juski:

don't worry though – in Europe we'll eventually have something even worse

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|Torg|:

they are 99.9% of the reason I watch ATSC now

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|Torg|:

im sure if I use google I could find some hack to 5c tho

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juski:

what have we said about talking about illegal stuff?

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|Torg|:

hey I didnt say I was goan do it, hell I dont even have cbale

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|Torg|:

I implicilty got ri of my cable

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|Torg|:

all I meant as as the MPAA and others try to circumvent fair use the ways to restore it are as easy as google

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juski:

if they do ever succeed, they'll get locked up for their trouble

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** stuarta is watching a crap episode of torchwood **

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scott_:

GreyFoxx: my problem yesterday was DMA related, ivtv doesn't like raid arrays, AMD Cool'n'Quiet on certain motherboards (mine included asus a8v)

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|Torg|:

im pretty sure they will lock up a few people, mostly old women if there track record goes along with it

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scott_:

stuarta is watching an episode of Coronation Street

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stuarta:

don't record that shite

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GreyFoxx:

scott_: Sounds more like a motherboard /driver issue

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|Torg|:

and I quite support 5c and other shit the cable comapnies do, in fact I wish they would riase there rates again

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|Torg|:

the more people who abandon cable the happier I am

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GreyFoxx:

I've got 3 ivtv cards in my backend/raid 5

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tcpsyn:

I'm still having trouble with volume control, I'm trying to talk to the folks at #alsa, but they're not being overly helpful. I don't really understand how mythtv interfaces with alsas mixer.

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GreyFoxx:

and 2 at my office one with raid 5

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juski:

tcpsyn: myth doesnt have to

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GreyFoxx:

not using the cool'n'quiet stuff though

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scott_:

GreyFoxx: yeah it's the motherboard's fault no question, still marked under DMA issue on the ivtv wiki, etc.

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juski:

as for the folks in #alsa... heh

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tcpsyn:

juski, how does the sound work then?

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juski:

myth controls the mixer device itself

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jams:

scott_- were you getting flickering on the picture?

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juski:

you tell it which channel to use – like PCM or Master

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tcpsyn:

but in my situation, neither the PCM mixer or the Master mixer are working.

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scott_:

jams: no, I did not, luckily... picture quality is/was great with my pvr-150

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tcpsyn:

the volume just stays the same

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jams:

just wondering

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juski:

tcpsyn: have you selected 'use internal volume controls' ?

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tcpsyn:

yes

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tcpsyn:

with that unselected, the mixer options dissapear.

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juski:

did you go all the way thru to 'finish' in the menus?

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tcpsyn:

yes.

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tcpsyn:

those settings are ignored.

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juski:

tcpsyn: you using digital audio output?

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jams:

if I turn on C&Q one of my 250 cards starts to flicker

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tcpsyn:

spdif? no, but I'm using an envy24 chip. the delta 44.

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juski:

tcpsyn: whatever the hell that is

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stuarta:

jams: sounds like me trying to use powernowd, hangs the machine

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juski:

does alsamixer work properly?

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tcpsyn:

yes

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tcpsyn:

but I use envy24control

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juski:

tcpsyn: I said alsamixer

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tcpsyn:

yes, it works.

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juski:

weird, then

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juski:

unless the mythtv user doesn't have the privileges to adjust mixer settings

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tcpsyn:

ahhh.

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tcpsyn:

that could be

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tcpsyn:

nope.

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fbis:

is it ok to ask a question here?

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frink_:

Sure fbis

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fbis:

i cannot get mythtv to install the database on ubuntu. I'm guessing iti because I have set my root password. does anyone know where the install script is?

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frink_:

Hmm no idea.. Do you measn the root password to the system or to MySQL?

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fbis:

mysql

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frink_:

yeah could be because you set the root password.

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frink_:

so, hmm, unset it ;-)

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frink_:

hmm sorry, I need to go to bed now – wife is waiting.

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frink_:

hmmm

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fbis:

night

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frink_:

seeya

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frink_:

if nobody else answers, i'll be here tomorrow.

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|Torg|:

fbis at a command prompt type "localte mc.sql"

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|Torg|:

err locate

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fbis:

will try that :)

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fbis:

I've searched but that file is not on my system I'm sure of it

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|Torg|:

ok type "mysql -u root"

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|Torg|:

if you havnt set the root password for mysql it should let you in

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