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Thursday, December 14th, 2006, 00:01 UTC

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daviey:

yes

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jams:

numer- which screen painter are you using? Also can you expand a bit on" not showing menu entries"

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daviey:

numer, ,are you getting pictures?

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numer:

jams, i used to use qt, but i changed to opengl aswell

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in8__:

did you follow the instructions on that page?

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numer:

daviey, yes i do get the logos for example,

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numer:

but when i use GANT, it just shows the background of the theme and the logo for the menu, but the menueentries like, configuration, medie etc, is not shown at all.

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daviey:

in8_, yes

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numer:

but i realized that the GANT is using Arial as font, and i did not have it installed, at least a find could not find the Arial.ttf font. But i remember that i successfully used GANT at the beginning. At least I think so

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jams:

numer- thought so. That happens for some people. I thought that was all corrected in the latest -fixes

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jams:

does switching back to QT fix the problem?

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in8__:

one sec I got ubuntu on my laptop here I'll try install lirc on it

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numer:

james, no unfortunately not, i tried both, several times

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numer:

i just installed the msttcorefonts and i hope that after restarting x this will work, shure i would love to use this new theme i found in mythtalk forum, but it also has the same problem, no menues shown

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numer:

i'm restarting x now, i'll update you if it works

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daviey:

in8_, i just tried the cvs instructions from scratch

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daviey:

i have tried it with both linux kernel source, and just the headers

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in8__:

ok yeah.. I rolled my own kernel on my mepis boxex at home....

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daviey:

did it work on your laptop?

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in8__:

still settling dependancies over dialup... libtool automake autoconf... should know in a minute

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in8__:

blech.... dialup.....

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in8__:

the only reason I hate my job... :)

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daviey:

haha

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numer:

it works

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numer:

the gant theme needs obviously the microsoft arial fonts

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in8__:

I get lots of free time but doing anything take a long time

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daxroc:

Is there a playback only version of mythtv ?

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in8__:

like frontend only?

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numer:

daxroc, how do you mean? without tv card?

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daxroc:

no tv card or listings etc just my dvd collection

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jams:

numer- glad it worked

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in8__:

its a client server app....

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nomin:

I installed mythtv 0.20 pretty quick on mandriva 2007

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in8__:

there are probably better apps for that....

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numer:

jams, yes, i'm happy too, but shure i would love to use the elkin-wide theme, but unfortunately it still has this problem of not redrawing the menue-screen

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jams:

elkin-wide?

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daxroc:

can you recomend any in8___

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numer:

in8__ what do you think about for daxroc's needs?

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numer:

jams yes, hold on a second

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jams:

sounds familiar

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numer:

http://de.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1158

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numer:

have a look here

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numer:

looks simple and also good

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numer:

unfortunately i could not find much themes for mythtv

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jams:

oh yeah that one, I see it's released

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numer:

is there a different release than found on that page?

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jams:

last time I looked it was screenshots only

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jams:

but that was months ago

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jams:

numer- have you tried Syth?

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numer:

noo

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numer:

where can i find it?

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jams:

or project greyhem?

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jams:

syth is found at jmeyer.us

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numer:

project greyhem i tried, but i do not like scanned pictres in the menues

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jams:

i see

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jams:

look in the gallery for screenshots of syth or just download it

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jams:

you might like syth-clean as it has no watermarks

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numer:

ohhh, cool

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numer:

there is only syth and syth-blue

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jams:

you mean for screenshots?

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numer:

yes

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numer:

</(

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numer:

;-)

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jams:

yeah I havent been motivated to make the other screenshots yet

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numer:

ohh, are those yours?

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numer:

cool

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jams:

plan to get back to themes, but want to finish this other project first

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numer:

i'll have to use those for 0.20 and there is syth-blue green-wide lacquer-clean-wide and lacquer-wide

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numer:

i do have a lg 32lz55 lcd tv, which one would you suggest?

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jams:

it's your call. They are all the same just different colors. Well excpet for clean as it doesn't use watermarks on the main menus

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jams:

green is a bit bright

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numer:

which one was the black theme in the screenshots

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jams:

lacquer-wide

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jams:

some screens are unfinished, but 99% is done

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jams:

few screens I never use, so I never bothered to theme them

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numer:

over 10mb

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jams:

yes, those watermarks are big

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jams:

with is why clean is only 2mb as the watermarks are removed

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PiranhaP:

Does anybody have any ideas to improve the performance of a frontend? My 850MHz laptop is a little choppy, but seems like it could be perfect with a 10% increase in....something.

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PiranhaP:

The CPU is topping out, so besides using Gentoo (which I already am) I don't know what I can do.

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numer:

jams, apropos cpu speed, i'm using a pentium III 1ghz with 1gbyte of memory, i do not have my tv-card yet, will this computer make problems during record and whatch tv?

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topping:

PiranhaP: XBox with gentoox is 733MHz, which is what I run for my frontend. it's choppy here too, but not bad once things get settled. you might want to recompile the kernel and take out non-essential drivers or add memory.

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numer:

does anyone know where glxgears can be found?

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daviey:

in8_, any joy?

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PiranhaP:

topping: thx, I'll do some kernel house cleaning

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zach_:

hey where do i go to get a login for the xml tv listings in north america

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D-side:

labs.zap2it.com

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D-side:

use the datadirect servic.

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D-side:

at least for the US. i'm not sure if they service canada also.

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numer:

jams, this theme looks really nice and works also perfect

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numer:

which player should be prefered if one also wants to play files with different video codecs

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zach_:

why would it freeze when i click "fetch channels from listings source"

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in8__:

daviey you still here?

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daviey:

yes sir

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in8__:

seems you need automake 1.9 installed....

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in8__:

I sucessfully built on lappy

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daviey:

i've got 1.4-p6

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in8__:

do up 1.9 and try again

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scottder:

Is there a way in MythMusic to hav it simply browse the directory structure rather than break things out by Artist?

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scottder:

in 0.20

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GreyFoxx:

D-side: They do all of NA, including Canada :)

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daviey:

in8_, just upgraded to 1.9.6.... same issue

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daviey:

i'm doing it as root. in the /usr/src/lirc dir

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in8__:

run the autogen and setup again?

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daviey:

ahh

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daviey:

didn't run autogen again

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in8__:

that should take care of it

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daviey:

doh! that did it

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in8__:

sweet...

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daviey:

hmm

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daviey:

but make won't work

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in8__:

same error?

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in8__:

apt-get dialog?

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in8__:

apt-get install dialog?

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daviey:

dialog is already the newest version

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in8__:

what error did make spit out?

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daviey:

WARNING: Symbol version dump /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.17/Module.symvers is missing; modules will have no dependencies and modversions.

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in8__:

was there an error line or just warnings?

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daviey:

errors followed

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in8__:

usually warnings are perfectly acceptable

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in8__:

what does the first error line say?

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daviey:

http://pastebin.ca/278398

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daviey:

It goes off the screen too quickly. i can see, '>' to txt file doesn't show errors and | 'more' or 'less' doesn't do what i want.

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in8__:

wow thats a lot of f'n errors....

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BULLE:

mmmm, fine errors

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BULLE:

now i sleep

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zach_:

how come every channel i tune to is static on a PVR-150

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The_Ball:

does anybody here use an xbox as a mythtv frontend?

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daviey:

in8_, i'm going to bed... cheers for your help

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zach_:

why are all of the channels static?

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in8__:

zach all channels or just ones above 13?

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slowone:

where does mythlogbot log to? does it log to a webpage somewhere? :( i saw something i wanted to poke at around 4 hours ago but it gone off my local log (was called to a meeting of doom)

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in8__:

yay home time!! bu bye...

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zach_:

hey in8_ all channels are static

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zach_:

any ideas why all are static

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cesman:

LinHES rises on E!

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zach_:

i mean the pvr150 is a standard card!

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zakat:

i did made and did make install on the mythvideo plugin, but it doesnt show up when i run mythfrontend

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zakat:

do i need to do something else?

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zach_:

please someone help, i am so close!

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zach_:

why is everything static

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cesman:

zakat: you need to run the video manager before anything appears in mythvideo

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zakat:

wheres that?

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cesman:

wait a sec...

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cesman:

it doesn't show up at all?

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zakat:

nope, not under media library

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cesman:

perhaps mythtv is install in /usr and video in /usr/local

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zach_:

can any of you guys help me figure out why it only shows static?

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cesman:

perhaps you need to specific the card type?

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zach_:

how would i check what type it is set to now?

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zakat:

i dont see the mythvideo library file anywhere

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zach_:

wow if i type dmesg it says a billion times tuner type not set

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zach_:

is a pvr150 ivtv?

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nasa:

Hi, how do I troubleshoot mythbackend crashing at livetv startup (or looking at information/status)

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cesman:

hello

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cesman:

start w/ the backend log

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cesman:

zach_: dmesg | grep ivtv

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cesman:

zakat: perhaps mythtv is install in /usr and mythvideo in /usr/local

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nasa:

cesman: the backend log doesn't show anything....

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zakat:

mythfrontend is in /usr/local/bin mythvideo should be a lib, right? not an execuatable?

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zach_:

cesman: it seems like it initialized ok

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flithm:

hey anyone here using ivtv 0.9.1?

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zach_:

do i need to use a newerversion of ivtv?

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cesman:

nasa: you can try running mythfrontend from an xterm

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cesman:

it should show some out

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cesman:

zach_: what version are you using now?

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zach_:

0.7.0 i think

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zach_:

yeah 0.7.0

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** cesman recommends zach_ checks out ivtvdriver.org **

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cesman:

I do believe some updates for the 150 have been added since 0.70

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zach_:

oh ok, it is a brand new card, maybe it has a newer firmware not compatible with 0.7.0

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zach_:

what is the easiest way to update ivtv

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** cesman recommends zach_ checks out ivtvdriver.org **

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cesman:

make && make install

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zach_:

just type that into the terminal?

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zach_:

is there something before that?

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** cesman recommends zach_ checks out ivtvdriver.org **

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zach_:

what do you reccomend?

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nasa:

I am doing that.... The error I get HandleRemoteEncoder (cmd GET_STATE) unknown encoder: 4 exiting

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zach_:

argh this is so frustrating

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zach_:

why is there just static!!!!!!

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mistone:

ok so I was getting alot of diropped frames untill I switched to VCD and now it works perfect

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mistone:

I want to know why

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fryfrog:

does anyone recall where the job option settings are?

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mistone:

and if I can use Mpeg2 if I want to

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Cybertoy:

hi all

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Cybertoy:

anyone happen to use mce remote?

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cesman:

hello Cybertoy

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cesman:

not I

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Cybertoy:

k

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mistone:

in VCD it sets my aspect ratio to a really wiierd ratio ( but overriding to 4:3 makes it work)

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mistone:

so how do I check if the reason MPEG2 doesn't work is because of my CPU or because my settings are messed up

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fryfrog:

Does anyone know if the mythbackend will accept a -HUP?

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The_Ball_:

HUP and try

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fryfrog:

i will, when i'm not running a bunch of recordings :(

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fryfrog:

i wonder if there is a command you can run to see what kill options a program will take

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fryfrog:

http://lists.atrpms.net/pipermail/atrpms-user . . . /005615.html

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fryfrog:

looks like it *should* work

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dansmith_:

what is a micro ATX form factor, when it comes to power supplies? Will an mATX PSU mount in a case expecting a normal ATX PSU?

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zach_:

how do i edit modules.conf

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zach_:

you people are worthless

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zach_:

truly worthless

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kormoc:

zach_, feel free to leave if you want

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kormoc:

it's not like we get paid to be here

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kormoc:

and I don't see you helping out

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zach_:

well i would help out if i could get myth to work so that i could learn how to use it so that i could help other

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kormoc:

modules.conf is about kernel modules, not overly myth related. We try to help, but sometimes we just can't. You could go to #distro and ask them, as the answer is very often distro specific

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zach_:

well i am trying to set tuner type to 50

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zach_:

for my pvr150

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zach_:

but i changed the modules.conf and it still says tuner type not set

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zach_:

which i think is why the screen is all static

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kormoc:

depending on the distro, you might need to edit a different file, as some distros generate modules.conf and overwrite it every boot

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zach_:

will updating ivtv help?

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kormoc:

it might, as newer ivtv's have newer autodetect code, which might autodetect the tuner correctly

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GreyFoxx:

will that also require a kernel changed? Aren't they kernel specific these days ?

[02:58:47]

mistone:

sometimes getting help on IRC is a bitch but most of the time its like 100 times better then any tech support

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, yeah, they are

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zach_:

is this easy to update kernels and drivers?

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kormoc:

depends on your level of knowledge and your distro. Sometimes it's simple, others it's a super pain

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fryfrog:

zach_: did you mention what distro you use?

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zach_:

knoppmyth

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zach_:

screwit iam am using MCE

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D-side:

heh

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D-side:

f that guy anyway

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dansmith_:

always with the threats

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fryfrog:

yeah, what a dillhole

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D-side:

after the "truly useless" comment, who gives a shit?

[03:05:42]

fryfrog:

seriously :)

[03:06:05]

fryfrog:

it makes me wonder, what the hell kind of people think *insulting* everyone who can help you will result in anything useful?

[03:06:57]

kormoc:

they're just the center of the universe, tis all

[03:07:58]

fryfrog:

anyone use ubuntu?

[03:08:12]

fryfrog:

and notice the lack of a "reload" option in the init scripts?

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D-side:

i stopped all that ubuntu nonsense.

[03:09:41]

fryfrog:

sukka :)

[03:09:46]

fryfrog:

gentoo is for bitches!

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jams:

hehe

[03:10:14]

fryfrog:

though, i think i could have easily resolved my problems in gentoo now

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fryfrog:

i switched from usinge forcedeth or nvnet or sky2 drivers to "sk98lin" propriatary crap from realtek

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fryfrog:

and my network has been smooth as a bee's knees

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D-side:

my ubuntu problem was in fact resolved by gentoo. :)

[03:10:50]

fryfrog:

hahah

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D-side:

gentoo's about the only thing thats not "consumer whore" about me. i've got a mac as a desktop, an ipod, and a wii.

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fryfrog:

i even merged my old gentoo raid1 into my ubuntu raid1, so no more going back to gentoo :)

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D-side:

i SHOULD be using ubutnu

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fryfrog:

WIII!!!!

[03:11:39]

fryfrog:

what fucked up with ubuntu?

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D-side:

i forget.

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D-side:

oh wait.

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fryfrog:

i want a wii

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fryfrog:

is it fun?

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fryfrog:

do you have kids?

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D-side:

nuvexport wasn't working worth a damn for me.

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D-side:

yes its fun, no theres no sniveling kids here :D

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fryfrog:

ah

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D-side:

the zelda game is fantastic.

[03:12:26]

fryfrog:

man, i wish i had money

[03:12:35]

fryfrog:

it looks like the spiffiest of the consoles out now

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jams:

i have the zelda game, just no wii to play it on

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D-side:

being the cheapest also doesn't hurt.

[03:12:47]

fryfrog:

even if you *can't* jwharez teh games :)

[03:12:51]

fryfrog:

no, sure not

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D-side:

jams: i was given the zelda game before i got the wii.

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fryfrog:

though, the micro center's in my area are offering $100 off from xbox360

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D-side:

that very night i waited online and overnight for a toys r us to open. :)

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fryfrog:

which puts it at the same price

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jams:

D-side- wife gave me the game, now i'm waiting for her to find a wii

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fryfrog:

hehe

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D-side:

heh nice.

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fryfrog:

at least you stand a chance of getting a wii

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D-side:

the sports game is great, and as i said, zelda rules... but something i'm very impressed with:

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fryfrog:

the ps3 is about as rare as a std-free $2 hooker :)

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D-side:

gamecube games. as an xbox owner i entirely dismissed the GC as a "kiddie console", but i'm learning i was wrong. theres some DAMN good games on the GC.

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fryfrog:

only game i've liked much on xbox is forza and lego star wars

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D-side:

lego star wars rules. i've got that on the xbox and DS

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fryfrog:

i *could* be tempted to get an xbox 360 for forza 2 :)

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Charliesu:

has anyone ever setup a headless backed for mythtv and run mythtv-setup from another computer (frontend or another linux box) ?? I'm currently trying.. I've ssh'ed into box with -X -C options for X11 forwarding and compressing and then 'sudo -i' into root and run mythtv-setup but it tells me that it can't find the X display....

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fryfrog:

oh, nother reason to get a DS!

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five_laptop:

anyone have a sound card with optical output/

[03:15:29]

five_laptop:

?

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fryfrog:

Charliesu: you could try running vnc server

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jams:

Charliesu- sometimes you have to export the display

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D-side:

fryfrog: not that i could EVER condone theivery, but with a little more $ down, one wouldnt ever have to pay for a ds game. jus' sayin'

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fryfrog:

Charliesu: if the "headless" box does have X, you can use "x11vnc" to get the local display too

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jams:

and as fryfrog said vnc works well

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fryfrog:

D-side: /wink

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D-side:

fryfrog: and i CERTAINLY wouldn't have any such thing plugged into my ds right now. perish the thought.

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D-side:

iwent the vnc route myself.

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fryfrog:

PARISH!

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mistone:

I have a 360 and I use ubuntu hell yea

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D-side:

i got the gentoo box installed and said "f this crap, i'm not setting up X now, i'm lazy"

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five_laptop:

hey does anyone else have like 1px of noise at the top of their live tv output?

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fryfrog:

five_laptop: i do

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mistone:

gentoo is hella retarted

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five_laptop:

is there a fix?

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D-side:

the day i got the wii i considered trading it for a 360. now i'd NEVER do that. ever.

[03:17:34]

D-side:

mistone: thats a great opinion you've got there, tthanks for sharing

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fryfrog:

five_laptop: you could increase your overscan or learn to ignore it :/

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fryfrog:

people who don't like gentoo are hella retarded

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fryfrog:

and gentoo is for bitches

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D-side:

and... here comes the flame war.

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fryfrog:

gentoo diaf :)

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mistone:

just because everything is opensource doesn't mean you have to compile it

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GreyFoxx:

mistone: what version of myth are you running ?

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fryfrog:

zomg, --omg-rise-opt, ;p

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mistone:

0.2

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GreyFoxx:

actualy it's 0.20, but ok

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GreyFoxx:

Just curious as there is problem you can run into with a 360 on the network

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mistone:

0.20.20060828–3

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mistone:

yea my whole internets totally gets messed up

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Charliesu:

jams: what do you mean export the display?

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mistone:

like my whole house stops

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GreyFoxx:

some of them send out invalid upnp notify packets and it can cause the backend to shoot to 100% cpu

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mistone:

I share my connection

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mistone:

I assumed it was because I was sharing the connection not because mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

I put a fix in latest svn today

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mistone:

sweet

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mistone:

I will get that later

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GreyFoxx:

if I don't get any complaints I'll put into -fixes as well

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GreyFoxx:

just booting the 360 on the same network as the backend can trigger it heh

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D-side:

GreyFoxx: wow.

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D-side:

good catch. :)

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mistone:

gtg :O

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GreyFoxx:

Thankfully Torg had a360, so using his tcpdump of the traffic from the 360 I was abnle to reproduce it and track it down :)

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D-side:

hah what you just played back the pcap?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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D-side:

fantastic

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GreyFoxx:

replayed it to the network over and over while I was tracking it down :)

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D-side:

play more zelda... or sleep

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D-side:

i think i'll sleep. later boys.

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GreyFoxx:

later

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media_:

anyone know why I can get audio that works fine out my spdif for movies when setting mythtv to user passthrough but as soon as I enable dd/dts for passthrough the audio is garbage? (using internal player)

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media_:

I have two boxes, one that works and one that doesn;t (different mb's and audio chipsets)

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media_:

I thought passthrough is passthrough but I guess it's not

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banyan:

Hey all, I saw a new myth revision come rolling in... any ideas whether there are any fixes for the high CPU usage when playing back through a PVR350?

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GreyFoxx:

banyan: New revision ?

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banyan:

At least, a new release via atrpms.

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GreyFoxx:

oh, likely just a newer grab of -fixes then

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banyan:

could be.

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banyan:

I wonder though if that 50% usage of the cpu when the PVR350 is used for playback is one of the -fixes.

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GreyFoxx:

I doubt it. I didn't see any 350 specific commits

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** banyan waits for the discussion about how I should switch to using an nvidia tv out... **

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banyan:

:-)

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Dr_willis:

I couldent even FIND anything other then a 150 at the store.

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Dr_willis:

the 150 + remote was $99 – $50+ in rebates that day. heh .

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banyan:

I did have some vague plans to look into why the CPU usage was that high.

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banyan:

When a userspace process uses a kernel module, does the module's CPU usage get attributed to the process?

[04:17:44]

banyan:

I'm still not sure if this isn't an ivtv 0.8 issue.

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banyan:

Hey, you know, I kind of like that mceusb2 receiver.

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banyan:

Good packaging and ir reception.

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banyan:

The Hauppauge receivers are kinda cheesy.

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coolego1:

what does "temporary failure in name resolution" mean as pertaining to mythfilldatabase?

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coolego1:

well, not what does it mean, moreso what can I do about it?

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banyan:

That sounds like your dns can't get the IP for the site it is getting the listings from.

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coolego1:

I typed in the datadirect website in a browser on a different computer and I got a hold of it

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coolego1:

which is why it's strange

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banyan:

I am not sure then.

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banyan:

You're in Canada?

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coolego1:

USA

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coolego1:

New York

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banyan:

OK, it should all be the same.

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coolego1:

datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com is the site that it says it's trying to contact

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coolego1:

it used to work fine

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kormoc:

coolego1, "temporary failure in name resolution" maens for some reason your DNS server doesn't know how to get to the site

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kormoc:

but it thinks it's a temporary failure

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kormoc:

it's your ISP

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mchou:

wow, this really pisses me off. Seagate drives requires 2.8A on 12V exclusively to start. That means you cant use these drives in USB enclosures.

[04:33:13]

mchou:

Maxtor is going the same way, since they got acquired by Seagate

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banyan:

Have you done the whole mythtv-setup and the labs.zap2it.com setup?

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coolego2:

I ran mythtv-setup

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coolego2:

and I have a valid datadirect subscription

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banyan:

and does it come up with lineups?

[04:34:15]

coolego2:

I just renewed it 2 weeks ago

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banyan:

My mythfilldatabase is working here, so it's something about your ISP maybe or your setup.

[04:35:02]

coolego2:

yes, I see the channels I have

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coolego2:

hmmm

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coolego2:

like I said, it has worked with this configuration before...

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banyan:

Probably your ISP then.

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coolego2:

I suppose

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coolego2:

it just seems strange that I can access it with a web browser, yet on the same modem through the same router I can't get to the site

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mchou:

lame. grrrr......

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banyan:

You could try putting this in your hosts file — datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com (206.18.98.160)

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coolego2:

sorry, is that the correct syntax?

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banyan:

No.

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coolego2:

didn't think so

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banyan:

I think it's OK without the braces.

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coolego2:

I tried to order it the same way that localhost was in there

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coolego2:

ip then web address then nickname is what it looked like

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banyan:

It's <IP>s+<name>[s+<name>]*

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coolego2:

and s stands for?

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banyan:

I think.

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banyan:

white space.

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coolego2:

ok

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coolego2:

we'll see, I'm rebooting right now

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banyan:

That's so "windows" dude.

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banyan:

You shouldn't need to reboot.

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coolego2:

I am so "windows" though, that's my problem

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Dr_willis:

darn it – My tv listings seem to be off by one hour. I thought i saw some 'offset' setting in the tvlisting settings... but cant seem to find it now. :) at least my pc's time is right. heh

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coolego2:

I know I could restart init or something, but it's just easier when everything is all configured to start at boot

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Dr_willis:

Now where did i see that setting.

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coolego2:

I think that setting might be in mythtv-setup

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coolego2:

on the general tab

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coolego2:

and if it's not there, it's on the setup tab in mythfrontend under TV settings or something like that

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Dr_willis:

aha! – as soon as i asked in here... i found it.. :)

[04:43:11]

coolego2:

where was it?

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Dr_willis:

i had it set to 'auto' seems im off an hr.

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banyan:

That's weird.

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coolego2:

I've had that problem before

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banyan:

I've never had that issue. I've never had that.

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media_:

anyone know why if I reboot, dvd audio works for about 30 seconds and then it turns to static garbage?

[04:44:07]

coolego2:

if you get your time zone screwed up, then your myth stuff is screwed up

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banyan:

Pretty much every other problem I've had.

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coolego2:

happened to me because my hardware clock wasn't set to UTC, but I told it it was

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banyan:

You'd be off 5 hours then...

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coolego2:

I think that's what I was

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banyan:

since you're in noo yawk.

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Dr_willis:

Yea.. im in Indiana – so we have had screwed up time zones for 30+ years.. :)

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Dr_willis:

now we are on EST (i think) at least some parts of the state are.

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coolego2:

half of it is

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coolego2:

I heard somewhere that they are going to abolish DST completely sometime soon

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banyan:

Isn't Indiana the same thing — last sunday of october, first sunday of april (at least till next year)

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banyan:

So noon willl be at 1? what's the point.

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Dr_willis:

Heck – some counties in indiaia are on EST, some are on CST, some dont change time at all.. they change 'zones'

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red_fox:

I'm building a new mythbox for my parents... is xfs the way to go, or would another filesystem be more stable?

[04:47:43]

red_fox:

I'm worried they might turn it on or off randomly

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Dr_willis:

Ok.. i changed the offset.. but the guide is still wrong.. dident change.. so... Hmm do i need to restart somtning.. or rerun mythfilldatabase?

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banyan:

I think DST works mainly for places where the swing's only an hour each way. In Canada it's pointless because the days get to less than 9 hours long and get to almost 16 hours long in the summer.

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banyan:

One hour adjustments are meaningless when the swing's that big.

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banyan:

ironically, time zones were cooked up by a Scottish-Canadian railway engineer.

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banyan:

Dr_willis, you may need to manually go in and zap your listings data.

[04:49:57]

Dr_willis:

Yea – thats what im thinking

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banyan:

And then re-run your fill.

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banyan:

I forget which table that is... programs, or listings?

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Dr_willis:

heh – yea . lets double check this.. Im indiana – its 11:52 pm here now.. date says --> Wed Dec 13 23:50:52 UTC 2006

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banyan:

program.

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coolego1:

that isn't UTC

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coolego1:

UTC is like 4:50

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banyan:

Your PC thinks you're in London.

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Dr_willis:

heh heh...

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Dr_willis:

date isent adjusting for that eh? :)

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Dr_willis:

i though i had utc set in the bios.

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banyan:

You can have it set as utc, but you need to have your linux box set up as central or whatever zone you're in.

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Dr_willis:

aha – pc #1 is set to est.. pc #2 is utc. :)

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informavore:

hello?

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Dr_willis:

that may work for me then.. lets see.. where to set the timezone

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banyan:

You eat informers?

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banyan:

Somewhere in the KDE control centre maybe?

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informavore:

anyone running pchdtv5500 card on ubuntu edgy ( stock kernel is2.6.17-10–386) modules load, but nothing works.

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banyan:

Or, do tzselect from a shell.

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Dr_willis:

yea i was looking or the shell command. :P

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exobyte:

In the input connections screen, I go to set up Tuner 1. When I scan channels, it picks of the first few (1–14, I think), but no more. Channels ~22–40 are also there for me. I have cable.

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Dr_willis:

Wed Dec 13 23:56:44 EST 2006

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Dr_willis:

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Dr_willis:

Ok. that looks better now. :)

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Dr_willis:

Somthing else to check off my 'myth tv' to do list.

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informavore:

exobyte... in setup there is a frequency table, you need us-cable... looks like you have something else there.

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informavore:

what message does pchdtv card give when it does not find firmware?

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banyan:

inform, that use ivtv?

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informavore:

banyan... no cx88

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exobyte:

informavore: probably. Once I set a VCR to cable, not antenna, and the channels were off

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banyan:

I thought that was part of ivtv, heh.

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banyan:

maybe it's just part of v4l2.

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informavore:

banyan... I was referring to mythtv-setup screen, Video source setup, 'Channel Frequency table' ... default setting is 'default' if your default is set wrong, that is not good, so set it for your source to us-cable

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exobyte:

informavore: where is that in the setup menu?

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informavore:

banyan... you get out of mythtv, stop the backend if there is one, then run the command 'mythtv-setup'... , Choose Video sources,

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banyan:

My backend's just fine.

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informavore:

banyan... huh? can you use the same channels on other frontends ?

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banyan:

You mean, can I watch stuff off the same channels?

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mchou:

informavore: frontends uses whatever channels backend uses

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mchou:

frontends dont really have concept of "channel" because they've got no tuners :)

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informavore:

I asked something dumb, never mind... the thing is, when you go into mythtv-setup, the backend does not always accept the configuration changes, so you can either stop it ahead of time, or restart it after.

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juski:

there's quite a lot of stuff in the database which is only read by mythbackend & mythfrontend at start time

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juski:

i.e. when the programs are first run :)

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informavore:

juski knows what I'm trying to get at...

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juski:

you also _always_ need to go through the menus and FINISH or the changes won't be stored

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juski:

it's always best to stop mythbackend before re-running mythtv-setup anyway, that's why it asks you if you know what you're doing if you're still running mythbackend

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mchou:

this drive crash has really turned into a PITA

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juski:

when is a drive crash ever _not_ a PITA?

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informavore:

anybody know about pchdtv drivers?

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mchou:

juski: when you have another drive that works :)

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juski:

heh

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mchou:

juski: I'm not joking, BTW

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mchou:

cant use segates and maxtors in external usb enclosures.

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mchou:

seagates*

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juski:

oh, the connector spacing is 'wrong' ?

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juski:

or is it just that the controller doesn't like em?

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mchou:

requires 2.8A on 12 V (5V is not used) for cold starting the drive

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mchou:

%V gets uses once the drive is spun up......

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mchou:

5V*

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juski:

ah. that'd do it

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mchou:

no exteral power brick is capable of 2.8A on 12V afaik

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juski:

we've had problems at work with the variation in current required by drive spinups

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informavore:

leave

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juski:

lucky we have FETs to phase the power-ups

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mchou:

lol

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juski:

mchou: sure you can get external bricks that'd dish out 2.8A

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mchou:

that's assume your PSU is beefy enough to even start 1 drive in the first place :)

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Dr_willis:

Dang it – tv listings are still off by an hr.

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mchou:

juski: linky?

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juski:

I think the key is the peak not lasting too long in some places

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mchou:

juski: keep in mind the brick needs multiple out, 12V and 5V

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juski:

we use that sort on our products.. trying to remember who makes em

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juski:

Potrans is one make but there's a better one

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mchou:

Emco?

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juski:

nope. I'm surprised the enclosure doesn't have its own 5v regulator though

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mchou:

nah. this is a cheapie enclosure

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mchou:

cypress chipset though

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juski:

ow. you'd be looking at spending about $40

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mchou:

lol

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juski:

http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDe . . . ?SKU=1165741

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mchou:

for that price I'd just go pick up an external drive

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juski:

maybe that's why my external USB enclosure doesn't like my maxtor 300GB drives

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mchou:

juski: dude, 2.2A<2.8A

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juski:

never looked into it much, just assumed it was a chipset issue

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mchou:

maybe if your chipset doesnt have 48-bit LBA

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mchou:

juski: that brick is too wimpy

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juski:

we had a show-stopping problem not so long ago. every now & again a seagate wouldn't initialise itself properly – every 5 power cycles or so

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mchou:

ouch....made in china?

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juski:

nah. firmware bug

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juski:

their firmware

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mchou:

dont think seagate worked out the kinks in that plant yet

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juski:

pc owners prolly wouldn't even notice something like that, or just go 'dumb motherboard, not detecting the hdd'

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juski:

one reset/power cycle later & all was well

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juski:

I see too many frickin hard drives in my lab

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mchou:

no, that sounds suspiciously like an issue with the power supply

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juski:

that's what I thought at first

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banyan:

I did just test my frontend from another PC over vnc. I do get the same channels on the other frontend.

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** sandeen had a cheap external enclosure that happily applied 12V to the 5V **

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sandeen:

took 2 drives to figure that out

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mchou:

lol

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banyan:

The other seven makes a crowd.

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juski:

tried loads of other PSUs, powering the drives directly – lo & behold it wasn't a PSU issue

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juski:

the battle was getting Seagate to reproduce it

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banyan:

You'd think they would test the shit out of them.

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mchou:

lol

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juski:

they do, but there's a limit to how much you can economically test for

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banyan:

Unless they're cavalier about their product development.

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banyan:

That's a pretty basic one.

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mchou:

drives are commodities. I doubt they do much testing any more

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juski:

5% of powerups producing a problem? nah

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banyan:

but they sell by the millions. therefore even a rare problem becomes a giant pain.

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mchou:

1/5 is 20%

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mchou:

where you get 5%?

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banyan:

It's the new math.

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mchou:

lol

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juski:

it was only 5% – it's dead early here & my typing is too free & easy

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mchou:

who needs quality control when you've got new math? :)

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juski:

5% is a lot to have drop-out in production though

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banyan:

you're free and easy? where are ya?

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banyan:

:-)

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juski:

05:35 here

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banyan:

you in the UK?

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juski:

too early to go to work

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juski:

yeah UK

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banyan:

Brighton?

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juski:

manchester

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banyan:

Mawn-chesta.

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juski:

another startling thing about hdd manufacturers is how little they seem to observe the t13.org docs ;)

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banyan:

sorry, MAWN-chestah.

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juski:

it's'man-chest-uhh' actually ;)

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banyan:

I suppose that's a prompt for me to check t13.org

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juski:

I'm not a born & bred Manc anyway. Originally from near Newcastle upon Tyne (wey aye man!)

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banyan:

NOOK-issle pun TIN.

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banyan:

I shouldn't poke fun. I'm from the colonies.

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juski:

where the hell are you getting this pronounciation stuff from? you ever been there?

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juski:

it's pretty close fwiw ;)

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banyan:

I'm just taking the piss.

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juski:

I wouldn't ever say I was a Geordie though

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juski:

though if I did I'd probably add the word 'snob' onto the end of it

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banyan:

I have been to Australia though, so that's almost the UK.

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banyan:

lol

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juski:

pfft

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juski:

London maybe

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banyan:

You find Newcastle a bit tweedy do you?

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banyan:

a little too polo matches and peerages for your taste?

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juski:

where I come from is very er.. 'local'

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juski:

i.e. tiny minded

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juski:

banyan: polo & peerages? in Newcastle? hahah!

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juski:

it's more the other end of the spectrum

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juski:

I've lived near manchester for just under 10 years now, and starting to prefer it

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banyan:

So why'd you call 'em Geordie snobs?

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juski:

I said if I was to call myself a Geordie I'd have to be a Geordie snob

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banyan:

A geordie, for the record, is a name for a Newcastle person? a Tyne man?

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juski:

not that I even have a strong accent either.

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juski:

technically, it's a name for somebody from Newcastle, but everyone in the UK gets called a Geordie if they have even the slightest hint of the Newcastle accent

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juski:

personally I find it a bit of an insult, knowing the reputation Geordies have ;)

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banyan:

I don't know that one tho.

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banyan:

It's the Jamie Oliver accent?

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juski:

put it this way, if you were to see a real Geordie on TV (not the 'plastic' Geordies we call 'Ant & Dec') you'd need subtitles

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juski:

nah Jamie Oliver is a cockey bastard innit

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robbins876:

mythbackend sometimes takes up 100% of my CPU without any sort of rhyme or reason... how do i fix that?

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juski:

robbins876: some debugging tools might be called for to find out why

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banyan:

Oh, the one woman from Ab Fab who talks a mile a minuite and is incomprehensible?

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robbins876:

juski: any recommendations less ambiguous?

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juski:

bubble, you mean? heh

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banyan:

This one's a brunette.

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banyan:

Bubble's funny.

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juski:

robbins876: your initial question was vague too ;)

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juski:

what's mythbackend doing?

[05:48:14]

juski:

stop the daemon, run it in a terminal, see what it's up to while it's hogging your cpu

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banyan:

That bit where she's got the walkman on and she hits it and it speeds up and she sings along the whole time — hugely funny.

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juski:

sounds like the office secretary, Bubble, banyan :)

[05:48:56]

banyan:

Nooooo- nooooooo --- nahhhh- nuh--- no--- no---- na na no no, nuh nuh there'snolimit!

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juski:

Jennifer Saunders is the funny one in French & Saunders... by far

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banyan:

That is bubble, the one I'm thinking of is the business manager.

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juski:

didn't watch much Ab Fab tbh, so I dunno

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juski:

do you ever get subtitles on shows from the UK, that'd be interesting to know

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banyan:

never seen them with.

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juski:

robbins876: if you don't use a DVB/ATSC/PVR tuner card my first suspicion would be that all that 'lovely' software encoding is being the CPU hog

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banyan:

Goodness Gracious Me didn't have any...

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juski:

heh

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juski:

some of the regional stuff might be a bit tough on you.. esp. Scottish

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juski:

or 'Auf Weidershen Pet' (Geordies again)

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juski:

haha. I just love Roger's Profanisaurus... "skyagra n. A quick flick through the satellite TV channels before bedtime, made by a middle-aged gentleman in search of something to boost his flagging sex drive"

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

Speaking of which, I saw a funny t-shrt today......

[05:56:14]

mchou:

"Pacific Construction"

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sandeen:

ggrrr

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mchou:

"Erections 7 daysa week"

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** sandeen updates atrpms mythtv packages and now gets "failed to reinit video" when trying to tune tv **

[05:56:37]

mchou:

"Erections 7 days a week"

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juski:

heh

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juski:

sandeen: sounds like you need to stop mythbackend & run mythtv-setup

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sandeen:

juski, it may also be that my nvidia userspace & modules got out of sync

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sandeen:

based on the frontend messages

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juski:

yeah or that

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sandeen:

that's what I get for a blind upgrade I guesss :)

[06:01:33]

juski:

if it ain't broke, why upgrade? ;)

[06:01:43]

sandeen:

make it less un-broke? :)

[06:01:52]

sandeen:

i'm not exactly in production just yet :)

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juski:

ah

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juski:

ffs... " genital floss n.

[06:02:52]

juski:

Skimpy bikini bottom. "

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juski:

on that note, I'm off to get ready & enjoy my penultimate day of the working year :)

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mchou:

lol. I'd hate if there were teeth :)

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AdamKili:

Hi I'm brand new to DVRs and TiVos and am exploring my options. I would most like to buy a DVR that works out of the box with no monthly subscription, rather than go through the trouble and possible more expensive option of using MythTV and turning a computer into a DVR. First are there commercial DVRs that work w/ no $ub$cription?

[06:09:00]

kormoc:

AdamKili, as far as I know, no

[06:09:56]

mishehu:

If you have a little time and patience, there's nothing like having a dvr that allows you to do whatever the hell you like with the recordings you've made ;-)

[06:10:21]

cesman:

nuff said!

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AdamKili:

the third option i was partially considering was just using a DVD recorder for stuff. DVD-RWs or whatever, i know I might not have near as many features, but it's better than paying a subscription

[06:14:00]

AdamKili:

hey i have a question: does MythTV support Xvid/DivX? if it does, doesn't that mean you can put tons more stuff on a smaller HD?

[06:14:41]

cesman:

I don't know if the internal player will play those files

[06:15:01]

robbins876:

AdamKili: It plays divx and xvid without problem

[06:15:06]

cesman:

but you can use nuvexport to create xvid from your recordinggs

[06:15:19]

cesman:

there is also mencoder

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sandeen:

woo works again :D

[06:16:43]

cesman:

You have plenty of options w/ MythTV, it's plugins and Open Source software

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kormoc:

AdamKili, you can transcode in myth to mpeg-4 (dixv)

[06:17:54]

kormoc:

AdamKili, if you have a frame grabber tv card, you can record directly into mpeg-4

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kormoc:

cesman, the internal player plays most the files mplayer does

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cesman:

ok

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** cesman digs mplayer and uses that **

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AdamKili:

wow...i didn't know that the DVR/TiVo market sucked so badly. You can't have a DRV without paying a $ub$cription? (except for MythTV, and they even tried to shut you guys down didn't they?) wow....just wow......

[06:25:49]

kormoc:

AdamKili, no they didn't. zap2it has been wonderful about providing the content

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kormoc:

and even if they did, there is still tvgrab_na

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AdamKili:

hmm....i'm still thinking about my options. Thanks for your advice people. I will definently consider MythTV

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mchou:

AdamKili: ditch myth and subscribe to netflix

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mchou:

if I had to do it all over that's the way I'd go.

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AdamKili:

i've had them before and isn't renting DVDs quite a different subject from DVRs?

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mchou:

I think netflix is way suprior than a dvr

[06:36:38]

mchou:

superior*

[06:36:57]

mchou:

all tv shows end up on DVD these days

[06:37:10]

mchou:

so you're hardly missing anything

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mchou:

plus with DVDs there are no commercials to begin with

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mchou:

at least not embedded in the program

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mchou:

the only down side to netflix are 1 DVD at a time (no complete series like Sopranos, etc.)

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mchou:

and you wont need no stinking HW :)

[06:41:13]

mchou:

I'm convinced netflix is the least fussy way to go

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cesman:

then join #netflix

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AdamKili:

ya i will consider them too, thank you.

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AdamKili:

but right now, i think i'll sleep on it (11:42 PM here) goodbye

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cesman:

sleep well

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PiranhaP:

Where do I set the default, initial volume level for LiveTV? I'm digging around, but don't see it.

[07:02:49]

PiranhaP:

wait, I'm sorry, let me reword that....

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PiranhaP:

Why does MythTV keep setting the 'Master' mixer control to 70% when starting LiveTV.

[07:03:24]

PiranhaP:

?

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tank-man:

PiranhaP, maybe in setup somewhere it is set at 70%

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PiranhaP:

tank-man: I figured it'd be a frontend setting, but perhaps you're' right. I'll go check the backend in a minute.

[07:08:07]

PiranhaP:

tank-man, thx

[07:09:20]

PiranhaP:

I just spent forever fine tuning a frontend, but one of the Myth plugins wanted a newer version of GCC. I hope upgrading it from v3.3 to v4.1 doesn't bork the system.

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tank-man:

what plugin?

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PiranhaP:

tank-man, I'm not sure now. I've already upgraded gcc, so the dependency isn't there for me to see without digging around. One of: browser gallery game news dvd

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PiranhaP:

s/browser//

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juski:

PiranhaP: mixer preferences are in mythfrontend

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juski:

tha backend has nothing to do with audio playback

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juski:

wooyeah the user who reported high cpu usage with blootube-wide has reported back, saying it's fixed :)

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PiranhaP:

juski, Thx. I had finally found it after putting "70%" in my google search.

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kavorka^:

anyone had success burning dual layer dvds in mytharhive?

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juski:

not had any luck with mytharchive full stop

[09:24:50]

Dagmar:

Perhaps you need the help of dark forces...

[09:24:51]

Dagmar:

http://parker1.co.uk/satanic/

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kavorka^:

juski, nevermind just solved it....the burner i put into my mythbox isnt dl capable...i got it mixed up with the burner in my other box which supports it

[09:26:33]

kavorka^:

which leads to my next question...dont suppose its possible to install mytharhive on its own on a different box?

[09:28:44]

kavorka^:

i guess not....i guess i need to install a dedicated frontend

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janneg:

you could create an iso image first and burn that on a different pc

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kavorka^:

janneg, you are a GENIUS

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kavorka^:

man im stupid...of course

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kavorka^:

lol

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kavorka^:

its been a long day!

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numer:

hello

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numer:

is there anywhere a documentation on how to add video covers to the video gallery?

[10:00:19]

juski:

press M while in the video manager

[10:00:23]

jduggan_:

hmm, i just hit right on the file in the video manager

[10:00:38]

numer:

juski will this pop up a menu?

[10:00:43]

juski:

either search for imdb info or you can edit the metadata & add your own cover

[10:00:43]

jduggan_:

and let the imdb scripts do it for me

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[10:01:04]

juski:

or rather you can browse for a cover which is already in the posters dir

[10:01:26]

k-man__:

on one of my channels, i get "recorder failed" on scheduled recordings

[10:01:31]

k-man__:

any idea how to fix that?

[10:01:39]

jduggan_:

hmm im loving my 3weeks off for christmas :)

[10:01:57]

jduggan_:

k-man__: have you checked the error in mythbackend.log?

[10:01:59]

juski:

I finish work for the year, tomorrow :)

[10:02:07]

numer:

if i record a movie and mythtv looks into the imdb, will it be able to find information about this movie in this database? doesn't imdb need to have an exact match, which is propably not given if i recorded it myself

[10:02:08]

jduggan_:

it may give a more detailed description

[10:02:31]

jduggan_:

juski: nice, i finished for a new job on last friday but i dont start till jan 2nd :)

[10:02:42]

juski:

jammy!

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jduggan_:

yea i timed it all nice

[10:03:16]

jduggan_:

numer: as you can put the imdb number in manually rather than have it search based on the filename

[10:03:24]

numer:

ahhh

[10:03:33]

jduggan_:

if imdb doesnt hold the information, then as juski said, you can add all the metadata yourself

[10:03:43]

numer:

where can i find the imdb numbers?

[10:03:49]

jduggan_:

imdb.org

[10:03:51]

numer:

where cani enter the metadata myself

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[10:04:31]

jduggan_:

settings->video

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numer:

ahhh

[10:04:38]

numer:

ok

[10:04:39]

jduggan_:

somewhere near there

[10:04:46]

numer:

ok

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k-man__:

jduggan_, yeah, fairly cryptic

[10:06:27]

numer:

does imdb only include dvd information? or also cinema movies?

[10:06:33]

k-man__:

jduggan_, i'll put it in pastebin

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jduggan_:

numer: well last time i checked it wasnt the internet dvd database

[10:07:07]

jduggan_:

:)

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numer:

;-) what is it then?

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jduggan_:

internet movie database..

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k-man__:

jduggan_, http://pastebin.ca/278717

[10:08:05]

jduggan_:

it has all released and announced/pre-production information

[10:08:07]

jduggan_:

and a lot more

[10:08:18]

jduggan_:

it has some TV shows also, i believe

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k-man__:

hmm... looks as though it's failing to tune to the station... however i can tune to that station if i "watch tv"

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jduggan_:

you should probably also 'touch /myth/recordings/1525_20061213210000.mpg'

[10:11:40]

jduggan_:

to fix those expire errors

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k-man__:

hmm

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k-man__:

ok

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jduggan_:

2006-12–13 21:00:02.320 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to . Reverting to kState_None

[10:12:45]

jduggan_:

hmm, i'd probably look into that 'channel .'

[10:12:48]

jduggan_:

maybe its set wrong

[10:12:52]

k-man__:

yeah

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k-man__:

channel . is weird

[10:13:15]

jduggan_:

go to mythtv-setup into the channel editor and check all the settings

[10:13:21]

k-man__:

it should be channel 2 or 3

[10:13:24]

k-man__:

ok

[10:13:25]

k-man__:

thanks

[10:13:26]

k-man__:

good idea

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[10:16:03]

numer:

for example here http://imdb.com/title/tt0416496/combined this film, how do i find the imdb number?

[10:16:37]

jduggan:

0416496

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numer:

jduggan how did you find out?

[10:17:03]

jduggan:

take a look at the URL

[10:17:09]

numer:

ahhhh

[10:17:12]

numer:

;)

[10:17:36]

numer:

without the tt? and thats always the imdb number?

[10:17:44]

jduggan:

in my experience, yes

[10:19:34]

numer:

can you guys navigate through mythtv with a remote control or do you mainly use a keyboard? i've a wireless keyboard from logitech and there are keys for example to change the volumes, can i use these keys?

[10:19:48]

jduggan:

yes you can

[10:19:59]

jduggan:

you can also configure a remote control which is what most people do

[10:20:01]

numer:

is there anywhere a documentation for this?

[10:20:16]

jduggan:

mythtv.org wiki

[10:20:28]

numer:

but there i did look already

[10:21:50]

jduggan:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Remote_Controls

[10:27:30]

k-man__:

speaking of remotes, which remotes are considered most useful for mythtv?

[10:29:18]

numer:

i don't know, i one had the logitech harmony, but i gave it back since it wans't the money worth, it was the 885 and the display was crap, i may be buying the small on

[10:29:58]

k-man__:

i use a small one that came with my capture card, but it doesn't really have enough buttons

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Dagmar:

k-man_: Considering lirc is more or less equally uncomfortable no matter what, the answer is basically "anything with all the buttons you want to push"

[10:30:06]

k-man__:

i'd like one with more buttons

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Dagmar:

Check like, your local Wal-mart or etc.

[10:30:26]

k-man__:

Dagmar, yeah.... but which has all those buttons?

[10:30:37]

Dagmar:

One4All makes a "PVR" remote that has pretty much all the buttons you could want

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k-man__:

oh?

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Dagmar:

Including a pair of green and red buttons that would be the equivalent of thumbs-up/thumbs-down on a TiVo that we don't even have a use for

[10:31:02]

numer:

you can also look for logitech harmony remotes

[10:31:22]

Dagmar:

k-man_: The One4All PVR model I got cost all of $14 after taxes.

[10:31:33]

numer:

i would love to use my logitech keyboard, but i don't know if this will be supported

[10:31:34]

Dagmar:

The high-powered serial IR *transciever* cost me $30.

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numer:

Dagmar which transciver do you mean

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Dagmar:

numer: Probably not through lirc, because that would be annoying and obnoxious, but plugged in as an actual keyboard it should work fine

[10:32:00]

numer:

home brew?

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Dagmar:

numer: The one made by IguanaSoft that I actually linked in the wiki

[10:32:15]

k-man__:

Dagmar, do you have a url for it?

[10:32:48]

numer:

Dagmar, yes as a actual keyboard it is already in use, works ok, but all the keys like bolume up an d down i can not use

[10:33:13]

Dagmar:

In the wiki under KNowledge Base->Hardware->Remote Controls->Cottage IR Transcievers you will find http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Cottage_IR_Transceivers

[10:33:32]

Dagmar:

I'm not kidding about not actually needing line of sight on the thing either.

[10:33:58]

Dagmar:

The output on it is strong enough to bounce around and off the back of the bookcase that's behind the TV, off the far wall, and into the TV's sensor.

[10:34:09]

k-man__:

wow

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Dagmar:

...which kind of threw me. I didn't expect that would work

[10:34:31]

Dagmar:

I still cut up a toy robot and stuck the transmitter and reciever elements into it's eyes tho

[10:34:37]

Dagmar:

:)

[10:34:43]

Dagmar:

Looks cheesy as hell, but whatever

[10:35:25]

numer:

dagmar usb or serial

[10:35:30]

Dagmar:

Actually it looks somewhat ludicrous since it's now mounted (with the back half of it's head sawed off) on two of the 5.25" bays

[10:35:38]

Dagmar:

it's serial

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juski:

the 'transformer' PC – leetness in disguise ;)

[10:36:15]

numer:

and it works with lirc?

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Dagmar:

If you look carefully at the pics on NewEgg you can actually find some boards now that have no serial 9-pin DIN, but *do* have an 9-pin header right on the board, which makes entirely internal mounting a bit easier

[10:36:30]

juski:

no it works with _porridge_

[10:36:31]

Dagmar:

numer: Yep.

[10:36:32]

juski:

pfft

[10:36:42]

Dagmar:

And borcht!

[10:37:09]

numer:

borcht? what does it mean?

[10:37:27]

Dagmar:

That's that russian soup made with ketchup or something

[10:37:43]

numer:

;(

[10:37:45]

numer:

;)

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Dagmar:

Trust that when it comes to buying stuff, I balance cheap and easy to deal with

[10:38:22]

Dagmar:

It's only stuff that I have to make that I go into labor-intensive and complex forms.

[10:38:49]

numer:

compatibility is extreme important

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numer:

specialy if you are dealing with linux

[10:39:06]

Dagmar:

Like spending a week hunting down the appropriate toy robot, buying a dremel, wet cutting the thing apart and epoxying it to the drive bays after soldering the IR serial dongle to the back of the 9-pin DIN connector

[10:39:36]

Dagmar:

Yeah, all three IR reciever sources listed on that page will work with lirc with no problems using just lirc_serial

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Dagmar:

What I'd kinda like is a case that looks a bit more like HAL 9000, but I couldn't find anything that would be reasonable to modify

[10:41:19]

numer:

i would love to use my keyboard http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/de . . . TENTID=10710

[10:41:56]

Dagmar:

numer: It's RF.

[10:42:02]

Dagmar:

So it's not going to work with lirc.

[10:42:05]

numer:

yes

[10:42:12]

Dagmar:

However, keyboard interfaces are mind-numbingly uniform.

[10:42:17]

numer:

but would be nice to use the keys, like volume

[10:42:22]

Dagmar:

It should work *fine* as just any other keyboard woul

[10:42:23]

Dagmar:

d

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numer:

mind-numbingly uniform?

[10:42:34]

Dagmar:

There's literally no such thing as a non-standard keyboard.

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numer:

how can i configure to make use of these keys

[10:42:59]

Dagmar:

No one in their right mind (excepting people making stuff for deranged gamers) who makes a keyboard that uses an abnormal interface

[10:43:05]

jduggan:

numer: its probably more of a case of the mixer settings in mythtv being wrong than the keys not working

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Dagmar:

numer: You'd push the key assigned to volume up or down

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numer:

yes, where can i configure this in mythtv?

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Dagmar:

In the MythControls plugin probably

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numer:

ahh

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Dagmar:

It appears under the Setup menus when you've got that particular plugin installed

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Dagmar:

It's whole purpose is to let you remap the keyboard controls.

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numer:

cool

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numer:

and can also womeone tell me what mythweb is?

[10:44:58]

quicksilver:

it's a way of controlling your myth from a web browser

[10:45:00]

Dagmar:

It's a CGI interface that lets you say, schedule programs to record from work

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quicksilver:

(typically on a different machine)

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numer:

ok

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quicksilver:

such as from work, as dagmar says

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Ruleke:

through an ssh tunnel :P

[10:45:26]

Dagmar:

No need for that.

[10:45:27]

numer:

cool

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Dagmar:

Apache+SSL works just fine

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Ruleke:

yes and no... home ISP blocks webserver ports

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Ruleke:

and work blocks proxy to other ports :P

[10:46:06]

numer:

no, not mine

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Dagmar:

Pfft. I'd change ISPs.

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Ruleke:

nah

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Ruleke:

It's the best one otherwise

[10:46:47]

Ruleke:

could get one of them business account dealies, but I'm cheap

[10:47:11]

Ruleke:

20mbit cable is ok, mythweb is the only external service I want to run anyway

[10:47:54]

quicksilver:

ssh tunnel is not necessarily a bad thing

[10:47:55]

Dagmar:

Ruleke: You could always run the webserver on port 22. :)

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quicksilver:

stops other people hacking into it, or trying to

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Ruleke:

no I couldn't... that port is blocked too

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numer:

but you isp does not block all ports, try using different ports

[10:48:20]

Dagmar:

Then how ar eyou setting up your ssh tunnel?

[10:48:20]

Ruleke:

anyway the proxy wouldn't let me connect to 22 anyway

[10:48:32]

quicksilver:

he's sshing in the reverse direction I imagine

[10:48:38]

Ruleke:

so I run ssh on high ports and hop from my machine in the UK

[10:48:42]

quicksilver:

ah :)

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Dagmar:

I was thinking more along the lines of ICMP tunneling. heh

[10:49:11]

Ruleke:

works great even for X ;) though I wish mythtv-setup could be commandline ;)

[10:49:18]

Dagmar:

Or piss *everyone* off and just try for IPsec, courtesy of protocol 50

[10:49:18]

Ruleke:

nah that's overkill

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Ruleke:

ssh over the ssl port and hop

[10:49:47]

Ruleke:

ssl is proxy direct anyway

[10:50:05]

numer:

what is mythflix?

[10:50:21]

Dagmar:

A thing that lets you change your NetFlix request lists if you use NetFlix

[10:50:31]

numer:

no, what is netflix?

[10:50:42]

pat_:

use port 443 for your web ssl setup, and 563 for your ssh login

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pat_:

that way you can tunnel through any defaultly setup squid proxies

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numer:

443? is563 is for nntps

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numer:

563 is for nntps

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Ruleke:

yeah but as I said the SSL/http ports are blocked for the home machine by the ISP

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Dagmar:

I kinda doubt many offices are going to be aiming to let their people grab usenet porno

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pat_:

Dagmar: the ones I've been in leave it open

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Dagmar:

WoW. Heh

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** juski chucks the crappy cisco voip phone through the window **

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Ruleke:

it's just the default squid

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Ruleke:

also tried using it, but it's a chain of proxies and the bastions don't allow it :)

[10:54:40]

pat_:

http://zwitterion.org/software/ssh-https-tunnel/

[10:54:49]

Ruleke:

yep already doing it

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Ruleke:

though there is no need for special software...

[10:55:26]

Ruleke:

https packets aren't inspected, they are encrypted anyway, so just ssh to a ssh server on 443

[10:55:38]

Dagmar:

They *can't* be inspected.

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Ruleke:

well that's what I mean

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pat_:

yeah, but if you put a ssh server on 443, you can't run https on the default port :)

[10:56:12]

Ruleke:

iptables

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Dagmar:

You can if you bind the sshd to the external interface and the httpd to 127.0.0.1

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pat_:

sort of defeats the purpose

[10:56:29]

Ruleke:

port forwarding

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Ruleke:

based on remote ip

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pat_:

anyway... that's my 2 bobs worth :)

[10:56:55]

Ruleke:

it's all good now, everything is great :)

[10:57:07]

Ruleke:

as long as I can irc too ;)

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qu0zl:

alias pvr="ssh -p 40022 -L 10080:localhost:80 mythtv@ip.address.of.home.machine "

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qu0zl:

i can just type 'pvr' then browse to localhost:10080 in firefox and i've got access to mythweb at home

[10:58:03]

Ruleke:

yep

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qu0zl:

if they allow any ports out you can do that sort of thing

[10:58:27]

Dagmar:

...and sometimes even when they don't.

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Ruleke:

I also add the dynamic portfwd, makes a nice socks to tunnel anything else through

[10:58:45]

Dagmar:

It's always worth testing to see if you can get ipsec packets through unmolested.

[10:58:57]

qu0zl:

:)

[10:59:10]

Ruleke:

nah ssh makes it too easy to do that, X forward etc :)

[10:59:24]

qu0zl:

juski, i took you advice for the question of 'what cool thing can i get for a mini-pci slot?'

[10:59:36]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but if you can get ipsec working, it's *really* transparent once you've got openvpn working

[10:59:37]

qu0zl:

i've ordered a mini-pci mpeg2 encoder card. :)

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qu0zl:

after an epic search to find one in europe

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pat_:

qu0zl: +10 points for persistance :)

[11:01:18]

qu0zl:

i had to beg as well, they normally only sell them with motherboards for some weird reason

[11:01:30]

qu0zl:

maybe to stop eejits ordering mini-pci for normal machines :)

[11:01:35]

Dagmar:

Almost certainly

[11:01:57]

qu0zl:

i lied and said i wasn't an idiot

[11:01:59]

qu0zl:

they fell for it :)

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Ruleke:

the idiots

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Dagmar:

You should call them up once it gets in and tell them there's a problem with it.

[11:02:26]

qu0zl:

hehe

[11:02:33]

Dagmar:

Tell them you installed it in your toaster and now it's not working.

[11:02:53]

Dagmar:

When they ask you to be more specific, tell them when you set it on light and push down the handle, it still burns the toast.

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numer__:

how do you access to mythweb?

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Dagmar:

You use a web browser

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pat_:

with a browser

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numer__:

on port 80?

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pat_:

dang, beat me to it

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Dagmar:

On whatever port you set it up as

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qu0zl:

assuming you have set it up

[11:03:45]

Dagmar:

If you didn't set it up, it's not goign to work

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numer__:

ahh, is there a configuration file?

[11:04:02]

Dagmar:

No, ther'e Apache to deal with

[11:04:10]

Dagmar:

MythWeb is not really for newbies.

[11:04:13]

numer__:

or do i have to set it up through mythtv

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Dagmar:

Read the docs for it

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qu0zl:

the README file explains all. It's not that bad numer_

[11:04:34]

numer__:

yeah, but where are they?

[11:04:45]

Dagmar:

MythWeb is *not* something you can just fumble your way through.

[11:04:55]

Dagmar:

It's not like MythWeather or something.

[11:04:57]

numer__:

ahh

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numer__:

i found the documentation

[11:05:19]

qu0zl:

good work. you've passed test #1 ;)

[11:05:29]

Dagmar:

Maybe

[11:05:45]

Dagmar:

It depends on whether he's reading the docs for mythweb or something else

[11:05:52]

qu0zl:

:)

[11:06:28]

Dagmar:

You kinda have to know at least a little bit about system administration to get MythWeb working safely

[11:07:48]

Dagmar:

Otherwise, you're liable to come back to the machine a month from now and wonder where all your bandwidth and disk space have gone to, only to find that grandmothers in Romania are using your machine to record and watch their favorite soap operas.

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numer__:

;-) we will see

[11:08:21]

juski:

qu0zl: ahh the pop tart tv tuner

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juski:

:)

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Dagmar:

poptarts are awesome for cluster computing

[11:09:26]

Dagmar:

So long as the answer you're looking for is always "candy sprinkles"

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juski:

christina aguilera == pop tart.. erm slut I mean

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Dagmar:

lol

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numer__:

looks good, daedalus.podzone.org/mythweb

[11:12:08]

Dagmar:

OMG *temptation*

[11:12:35]

qu0zl:

hehe

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qu0zl:

numer_, peopel can change you mythtv settings, delete your programs,all sorts of crap over mythweb

[11:12:56]

Dagmar:

numer_: Dude, set that up for password protection before I schedule your machine to record Iron Chef with highest priority

[11:12:58]

numer__:

i know, so enough

[11:12:58]

qu0zl:

you don't want it publicly accessible without a password

[11:13:14]

Dagmar:

Iron Chef and "That's So Raven"

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numer__:

heheh

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numer__:

no i just wanted to see if it works, i'm going to place it into the ssl

[11:13:46]

qu0zl:

good work getting it running anyway

[11:13:56]

numer__:

looks really cool

[11:14:15]

numer__:

the hole layout of mythtv looks really cool

[11:14:45]

Dagmar:

Shucks

[11:14:47]

numer__:

wow that much people at the same time

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numer__:

accessed the mythweb

[11:15:05]

Dagmar:

Next time I'll just keep my mouth shut and schedule recording of "Paid Programming", lowest priority, any channel, any time.

[11:15:17]

numer__:

;)

[11:15:20]

qu0zl:

hehe

[11:15:39]

numer__:

Dagmar share your knowledge with us ;)

[11:16:29]

Dagmar:

Right now i'm still reeling about the email I just got

[11:17:02]

Dagmar:

I saw one of my old party friends (who is female, and hot) a few nights ago at a nightclub, and she freaked out because she hadn't seen me in so long.

[11:17:12]

Dagmar:

She's trying to get me to come over to her place and "play" with her friends.

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numer__:

lol

[11:17:48]

Dagmar:

Just letting my girlfriend SUSPECT that email exists would get me in trouble, and it wouldn't much matter that she's invited too

[11:18:08]

numer__:

Dagmar aren't you female?

[11:18:12]

Dagmar:

Nope.

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numer__:

here in germany dagmar is a female name

[11:18:31]

Dagmar:

Here in the US it's _my_ name.

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numer__:

cool

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Dagmar:

Woe be to he who tries to steal it. Heh

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numer__:

of course , your decition

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qu0zl:

lol, so that's why you were flirting with Dag numer__ , I was wondering!

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qu0zl:

;)

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Dagmar:

heh

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numer__:

no

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numer__:

hehehe

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numer__:

;) god no

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numer__:

qu0zl hahahah

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Dagmar:

If I'd thought he was flirting I would have done a "/me bats his eyelashes" and see how long it took to sink in.

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qu0zl:

:)

[11:20:45]

numer__:

till now i did not have any reason to lough, but now

[11:20:54]

numer__:

;)

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numer__:

where is the included .htaccess file in mythweb?

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juski:

in the mythweb root dir

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juski:

ls -al to see it

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numer__:

no, debian has placed it into /etc/mythtv

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juski:

pfft

[11:27:16]

numer__:

but the .htaccess file has no access restrictions setup inside

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Dagmar:

Hence, you need some knowledge

[11:27:37]

Dagmar:

...or some Googling skills

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Dagmar:

Setting up htpasswd authentication is a 5 minute job, probably including the time it takes to Google it

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numer__:

you mean i'll have to set it up myself? shure, no problem, but i thought any other clever guy has done it

[11:28:19]

Dagmar:

Once you've done it you will see why they can't do it for you

[11:28:24]

numer__:

Dagmar is a cool name

[11:28:52]

numer__:

i know it is the username and the restrictions i'll have to make, but some people do place ith with comments into configuration files

[11:29:18]

Dagmar:

It is *trivially* easy

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numer__:

yes

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Dagmar:

If you need a commented out version of the directives, the odds are you'd just screw it up

[11:29:44]

Dagmar:

...which would result in a lot of silly emails going to xris.

[11:29:47]

juski:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=securing+myt . . . l&hs=dmT

[11:30:58]

numer__:

streaming with mythweb and flash? cool

[11:40:21]

daviey:

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Still can't get lirc compiled

[11:44:38]

numer__:

mythcontrol does not recognize my extended keys

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numer__:

mhh

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juski:

flash. pfft

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juski:

had a chuckle at this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/14/christmas_music_torture/

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daviey:

haha, i was in one shop over the weekend that had 'dreaming of a white,...' on constant repeat

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Neeesat25:

Hello to all

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Neeesat25:

It seems mythmusic does not regognise any music cd and when I select inmport CD it freezes

[12:17:56]

Neeesat25:

I have upload mp3 files in /mnt/store/music and I have try to playback them. I can hear audio playing but mythfrontend got freezed

[12:18:12]

juski:

maybe thaw it out with a hair dryer

[12:18:37]

Neeesat25:

juski any idea please?

[12:19:00]

juski:

nope

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juski:

it's broke. that's about the best I can say

[12:19:30]

Neeesat25:

I have install all the needed packeges from source

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Dagmar:

Well, then. That's probably your problem.

[12:20:30]

daviey:

presumably mythfrontend can see the music files, and permissions are correct?

[12:20:40]

Dagmar:

He said it's playin' em.

[12:21:00]

Dagmar:

Neesat: *DISABLE* the visualizers. You built one or more of them wrong.

[12:21:14]

Neeesat25:

ok

[12:21:17]

Dagmar:

...or rebuild mythmusic without them, preferably both until you can sort out what broke

[12:21:35]

Dagmar:

I figured the likely source would leap out at me if I thought about it a minute

[12:22:02]

Dagmar:

If music is playing and the frontend display geeks, it's just about sure to be the visualizer

[12:22:30]

Dagmar:

Wheee... I just finished racking two 4U HP servers at about eyeball height

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Dagmar:

There's nothing like doing a clean, lift and jerk on a $10,000 server to get the blood going

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Ruleke:

Dagmar: dl580 ?

[12:35:03]

Ruleke:

you shouldn't lift it alone :)

[12:35:42]

Dagmar:

Ruleke: Well, there's "shouldn't" and there's "no one works this shift but me and it needs to get done"

[12:35:54]

Dagmar:

...and I can actually do stuff like that.

[12:36:39]

Dagmar:

Chaning grips is the only hard part about it

[12:36:43]

Dagmar:

er changing grips

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Ruleke:

and aiming for the rails and not bending them

[12:37:38]

Dagmar:

It's really not a problem.

[12:37:50]

Ruleke:

just don't try it with a dl760 :)

[12:37:53]

Dagmar:

If they weighted about 20lbs more it would be pushing my luck tho

[12:38:04]

Ruleke:

or even an rp4440

[12:38:05]

Dagmar:

I can't reliably lift that up to eye level

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Neeesat25:

I have all my plugins installed. To recompile mythmusic I have to: --disable-all --enable-mythmusic in muthplugins?

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Dagmar:

That much I am sure you can figure out on your own if you just pay attention to the output of ./configure

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Neeesat25:

Yes but when I will install it again it will effect my other plugins?

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Dagmar:

Nope

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daviey:

Anybody know how to easily set my desktop to be widescreen? Currently it is stretched from 4:3

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dverzolla:

HI. In Hauppauge I can set the bitrate that I want to get my videos?

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Dagmar:

No, you set the bitrate in the frontend under recording profiles.

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Dagmar:

daviey: If you want your desktop to be widescreen, then you configure Xorg to use the thing at the proper resolution.

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Dagmar:

daviey: It's deceptively simple.

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daviey:

hmm

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dverzolla:

Dagmar: But, Hauppauge have a devide that is directly encoded by the hardware ok?

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Dagmar:

dverzolla: I've no idea what you're talking about.

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dverzolla:

dagmar: If I set the bitrate en frontend, then I'll have a encode via software?

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Dagmar:

dverzolla: Okay. That I understand. No, you don't. This is the reason that MythTV needs to be compiled with ivtv support if you're using a Hauppauge card--so that MythTV can know how to instruct the card what bitrates to use.

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daviey:

Dagmar, i want resolution; 1366 x 768p

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Dagmar:

1366 x 768? That's just a wee bit off of 16:9, but basically if your video card can handle that resolution, you just configure X to use it and you're done.

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daviey:

do i have to reboot?

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dverzolla:

Dagmar: OK, then The bitrate is configured in tv card... And not a post-process that reencode the video... TKS

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daviey:

Dagmar, okay know-it-all that worked ;)

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daviey:

Now, how can i get rid of this suck pixel? eh!

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daviey:

*stuck*

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destin:

hi there

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destin:

i

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destin:

i've got a problem with mythvideo, anyone here who can help me?

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destin:

mythvideo ignores brackets and anything in brackets when sorting videos

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destin:

stuff like "xyz (S01E01).avi" is displayed as "xyz" :(

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destin:

no one able to help me?

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destin:

well if anyone has an idea, please send me a msg via query

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Neeesat25:

Is opengl needed to be build within mythmusic?

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Neeesat25:

or aac?

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numer:

hello mythtv-friends, i've successfully installed mythweb (*with access restrictions to the rest of the world*) but unfortunatelly if i try to access music or videos over the web-browser it says that i do not have permission to use it. i tried several permissions and also owner and groups but it doesn't work. i would be thankfull if one could give me a help

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numer:

Neeesat25 if you compileit than it will tell you if opengl is missing, on the other side distributions will fetch those packages for you

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Neeesat25:

I cant make it compiled within cause I can not find the package needed for them

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numer:

are you compiling mythtv yourself?

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Neeesat25:

I have manage to comnpile within fftw v3 and SDL

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Neeesat25:

I was wondering is it a must to have opengl and aac?

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Neeesat25:

Yes I am compiling from source

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numer:

i don't know, i didn't compile it myself, i'm not a gentoo user, i mainly just compile my own stuff, the rest is for gentoo users

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Neeesat25:

Anyone else using it?

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quicksilver:

Neeesat25: aac is only for play music in that format (mostly itunes users)

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quicksilver:

Neeesat25: opengl is not needed

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Neeesat25:

opengl?

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Neeesat25:

Ah you just answer my question

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Neeesat25:

Thanks

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numer:

Dagmar huhuhu

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Neeesat25:

Finaly it worked. Thank you all

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juski:

destin: maybe by giving your videos more sensible filenames – otherwise your only option will be to patch the mythvideo code yourself. I wonder which option you'll find easiest. or you could just whine & stamp your foot a lot in the vain hope a developer will make the change for you :-P

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destin:

juski, the thing is... this worked just fine in .19

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juski:

so?

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destin:

when upgrading to .20 the trouble started

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destin:

problem is... i can't downgrade, otherwise my mythweb won't work

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juski:

I'd say the trouble started with the daft filenames

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destin:

nope, .19 hat no trouble at all in sorting them

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juski:

so what?

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juski:

stuff changed, and you're whining about it?

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destin:

.20 is ignoring the brackets... i am kind of forced to use .20

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destin:

i am not whining

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juski:

all you can do is either rename your videos or change mythvideo's code

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juski:

like I already told you

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destin:

i was hoping someone had the same problem

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destin:

and found a solution

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juski:

there goes that then

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juski:

it might even be an easy fix to do, you never know

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numer:

can i have mythweb scan for new music?

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juski:

numer: no

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numer:

only on mythfrontend?

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juski:

yes

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destin:

i was hoping i just overlooked some hidden option

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destin:

well

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destin:

so no help here

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destin:

thx

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frink_:

hey all

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numer:

i've installed mythcontrol as recommended in order to make use of the volume keys from my logitech keyboard. unfortunately mythcontrol says that it did not recognize the key, what can I do? is this a linux problem?

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juski:

destin: come on ffs – what kind of hidden option would there be? mess up downloaded video filenames to teach users that it's illegal?

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mtnbkr:

Can someone help me with this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Fx3t7W20.html It seems that mythtv works perfectly for a (random) while, then the mythbackend stops responding normally. restarting the mythbackend fixes the problem, but scheduled recordings are missed during the time it is not responding, even though the backend log appears to show activity..

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destin:

lol juski, ever had the idea that the filenames are not messed up?

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destin:

and that the files themselves are not illegal?

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juski:

spaces in filenames == pretty bad IMHO

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destin:

that's an opinion

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juski:

have a look in the source & see what kind of sort is being done.

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destin:

i just ripped my friends dvd collection so i wouldn't have to switch dvds anymore

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juski:

nice. so you backed up dvds you don't even personally own. nice move, to admit that in a logged channel but hey nevermind

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destin:

and i kind of liked the style "Title (SxxExx).avi"

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destin:

friends was the title!

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juski:

heh

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visit0r:

:)

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qu0zl:

lol

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juski:

I dunno which is more sad tbh

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destin:

ever heard of a comedy show called "friends"?

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juski:

unfortunately yes

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fryfrog:

with that guy, and that other guy and the girl?

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fryfrog:

and another girl

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fryfrog:

and another girl and another guy?

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juski:

my fave episode is the one where Ross is a complete sad bastard

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mtnbkr:

and that monkey.

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destin:

well i like it... you don'T have to like it...

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fryfrog:

oh yeah, the monkey

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fryfrog:

i liked it too :)

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juski:

anyway

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mtnbkr:

Oh that's David Schwimmer sorry. :)

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Tronic:

Who are not really boys and girls anymore because they've been making the show for so long.

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fryfrog:

anyone who didn't like Friends is a bitch who likes gentoo! :p

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juski:

get rid of the brackets & see how you go

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destin:

you could have helped me anyways... but i guess in search of help i am wrong here

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destin:

thanks a lot

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Tronic:

I have my MythTV setup to capture Friends.

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juski:

destin: I told you

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Tronic:

They just started a rerun from the first episode here.

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destin:

yeah rename the files, i get it

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juski:

destin: I said either rename the files or change the code!

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juski:

they're your options

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juski:

can't say any more than that

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Tronic:

Of course I don't try to capture that, but it happens to air right after one of the shows that I do capture, and MythTV is setup to record 10 minutes past the scheduled ending time, just to be sure.

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mtnbkr:

can anyone offer some help for my mythbackend that keeps not responding at random times?

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juski:

fryfrog: I hated 'Friends' and I didn't like Gentoo much either, in the end

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juski:

chick TV & geek distro :)

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fryfrog:

see, its exactly like i said!

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

well, except not quite exactly like i said

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Ruleke:

s/geek/fanboy

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Ruleke:

unless maybe a non-IT geek

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Ruleke:

compiling all packages is such a great idea from a technical standpoint.. cough

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juski:

mtnbkr: pastebin some error messages & let's see

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juski:

ahh I got it

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juski:

mtnbkr: why did you even bother with a pastebin? it's only 3 lines. there may be more than that in the log which would be useful

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juski:

looks like the backend is falling over sometimes for some reason. a reason which might be revealed by lookin in mythbackend's log output

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juski:

though usually when mythbackend falls over it stays over – unless you've got some kind of script going to keep it alive (hackish & not the way to fix a problem, really).

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frink_:

hey all..

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frink_:

Anybody know how a remote frontend gets the recorded video from the backend? Does it need NFS or anything?

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juski:

frink_: it streams it using the myth protocol by default

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juski:

you can use NFS if you like, or indeed any other network sharing method so long as you mount the recordings dir to the same 'local' location on the remote frontend

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mtnbkr:

juski: other channels frown on even only 3 lines that Is why I try to pastebin everything especially in channels where I am the "new guy". :)

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frink_:

juski: Whats more efficient, nfs or myth?

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juski:

frink_: depends

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frink_:

juski: Reason I am asking is that my frontends cannot find the video files, they try to find them locally – as though they think they are on the same box as the backend.

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juski:

nfs used to be more efficient & still may be. Try both

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juski:

frink_: change the hostnames of the frontends so they're not the same as the backend, then ;)

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mtnbkr:

juski: also, the backend "seems" to be working. log in incrementing.... with the following entries over and over.. :http://rafb.net/paste/results/ij31zV93.html

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juski:

when a recording is made, the hostname of the machine making the recording is logged in the database. if you try to play the recording back from a remote frontend, it should have a different hostname so mythbackend knows to stream the recording

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Dagmar:

mtnbkr: So turn the logging down then

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juski:

mtnbkr: dunno then. are you using a wireless network connection?

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** juski goes back to having a really bad day **

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mtnbkr:

juski: no. Currently this is on one machine (mysql, mythbackend/frontend etc) /mnt/store is to an NFS share on another server.

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Dagmar:

Is it a quad core machine?

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mtnbkr:

Dagmar: the default logging showed nothing. What;s a good setting for logging that might help us here?

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Dagmar:

Looking for something related to the problem helps

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frink_:

juski: oh, yeah, they are called 'lhost' at the moment :)

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Dagmar:

'Although I'd say having a single core box with the jobqueue set to do four jobs at once would be a good thing to look at

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frink_:

juski: if it makes you feel better, you made me have a good day. Perhaps tomorrow will suck for me now :)

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mtnbkr:

Dagmar: right. but I have no idea nor indication what may be wrong yet. netstaty shows the backend listening on port 6543, but it does not respond properly to the frontend

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Dagmar:

Probably the same problem you're having right now... i.e., not listening to what someone is saying right to your face.

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mtnbkr:

Dagmar: this is an AMD Athlon64 X2 (dual core) lemme check the jobqueue setting... I thin I left it default..

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Dagmar:

Turn the number of simultaneous jobs allowed back DOWN

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Dagmar:

It's set to four. I can see it in the log you pasted.

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mtnbkr:

Oh Ok, I see that now.

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Dagmar:

Overload the machine and yeah it's going to start being slow to respond

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Dagmar:

Particularly if you don't have a lot of RAM and it starts having to swap out active jobs

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mtnbkr:

Dagmar: but the machine is not overloaded. both processors are at 1% and I am using it now. And it has 2GB ram, and 1GB swap that is almost completely not used. Which is why I woudln;t think the machine is overloaded.

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mtnbkr:

btw, what is the default for the max jobs allowed?

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juski:

2, IIRC

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juski:

or maybe 1

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juski:

either or

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juski:

it's not a big number anyway

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mtnbkr:

juski: probably a locak of understanding tcp/ip?

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Dagmar:

juski: Of course! If you can share PCI IRQs then you should be able to share IP addresses just fine

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Dagmar:

"There's a router on my network so I can share the internets!"

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mtnbkr:

ok... changig it now, but I still know the machine is not overloaded.

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** BULLE keeps the internet for himself **

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juski:

share not ye internets

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mtnbkr:

and the CPU Usage was set to low

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Dagmar:

So how exactly is the machine not responding to what again?

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juski:

keepeth the whole of thine downloadable materials to thyself

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Neeesat25:

I am encountering a problem when viewing my music playlist. I can see and select mp3 files with no problem but when I press back to exit mythfrontend freezes

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mtnbkr:

Dagmar: currently the backend and frontend are on this AMD Athlon64 X2 system... everything works perfectly, until the mythbackend stops repsponding randomly. Only restarting mythbackend gets things going again. .

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Dagmar:

How does it "stop responding"?

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Dagmar:

Oh I bet I know what this is.

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Dagmar:

STOP USING MYSQL 5

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wireddd:

where do I configure transcoding?

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mtnbkr:

Dagmar: oh crap, really?

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Dagmar:

There's a reason it says in the wiki to use 4.x... and that's because things aren't 100% happy with MySQL 5.x yet.

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mtnbkr:

darn. OK. I can downgrade.

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fryfrog:

my ubuntu install with 5.0 seems to be going okay?

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fryfrog:

what are some symptoms of not working well?

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mtnbkr:

is there a logging setting for mythbackend that might show me that this is the issue?

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fryfrog:

mtnbkr: check "mythbackend -v help" for all the spiffy options

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fryfrog:

I typically run with "important" but will throw in other options that might apply to what i am looking for

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fryfrog:

you can use "all" but its likely to show *way* to much

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mtnbkr:

fryfrog: no, I see them but of the logging options I see, none are "database"

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** mtnbkr checks again **

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fryfrog:

try "all" then and wait till it freezes up

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fryfrog:

can you *trigger* the freeze? does it happen when you do playback, something else?

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mtnbkr:

heh

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fryfrog:

are you using the -fixes svn branch of 0.20, the official release? svn current?

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mtnbkr:

I see it now... Thanks fryfrog

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Neeesat25:

Anyone else had similar problem with mythmusic and freeze? I have to restart mythfrontend to recover

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fryfrog:

np :)

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mtnbkr:

fryfrog: I was using all... BUT, it never really freezes, so it keeps logging the job queue stuff ... I'll knock it down to database, and a couple others and keep an eye on it.

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Dagmar:

Okay

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Dagmar:

So what is it *really* doin

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Dagmar:

First you say it's stopping, now you say it's not actually freezing.

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Dagmar:

If you can't be accurate in the description of the problem, please don't bother other people with it. :/

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Neeesat25:

Dagmar: Mythmusic causes mythfrotend to freeze and this happens when I enter to select playlist

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tank-man:

mtnbkr, clean your computer box

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tank-man:

of dust

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Dagmar:

Neeesat25: You were not who that was directed at

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Dagmar:

Neeesat25: All I can say about that symptom is you should hassle whoever made your binaries about it

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Neeesat25:

Just want to know if someone has similar problem or it is just me

[15:17:06]

Dagmar:

Either they didn't compile something right, or perhaps you have a zillion mp3s (or a slow disk) and aren't waiting long enough

[15:17:24]

Dagmar:

I actually use mythmusic, and I've never had it lock up there

[15:17:28]

tank-man:

Neeesat25, try looking at the backend and frontend logs

[15:18:24]

Neeesat25:

From the debug I dont see anything wrong

[15:18:59]

numer:

does anyoneknow if there is a tool, which can take names from the filename and add it to the id3 tag of a mp3 file?

[15:19:05]

mtnbkr:

Dagmar: I initially said the backend stops responding to the frontend. I never said anything freezes. I even initially tred to explain that the backend kept logging and then pasted part of the log.

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mtnbkr:

arg... Sorry you were obviously not talkng to me... :)

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Dagmar:

Look man, if you were trying to imply that the reason the backend stops responding is because it's spending 100% of the time writing the same seven lines to the logs or something, you need to paste more than one iteration of those seven lines

[15:20:30]

Dagmar:

numer: Get Picard from Musicbrainz

[15:20:37]

tank-man:

numer, easytag

[15:20:43]

numer:

is it a commandline tool?

[15:20:48]

tank-man:

no gui

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tank-man:

id3tag is cmd line

[15:21:09]

numer:

i can not make use of gui here

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mtnbkr:

Dagmar: no, no.. I am trying to implying anything. Just trying to show that the backend is still alive, only not reposnding to the frontends.

[15:21:24]

Dagmar:

Pasting one set of the lines doesn't show that

[15:21:45]

tank-man:

numer, so use any cmd line id3 taging tool

[15:22:02]

mtnbkr:

Dagmar: I changed the logging from "all" to important,database for now to see if that helps show us if it is indeed a database issue.

[15:22:07]

Dagmar:

numer: If you can't use a GUI then your problem can't be MythTV-related.

[15:22:20]

numer:

can id3tag add the tags out of a filename

[15:22:59]

Dagmar:

Google it and see

[15:23:03]

numer:

Dagmar sure there is X installed on it, but it is hooked up to a large lcd and i'm sitting meter away from it, i'm looking for something that does the job via shell

[15:23:18]

tank-man:

numer, with your shell you can

[15:23:30]

numer:

i hope dear Dagmar, that this did legitimate my question here in the forum

[15:23:48]

Dagmar:

numer: Nope.

[15:23:54]

numer:

no?

[15:23:56]

juski:

what forum?

[15:24:00]

numer:

channel

[15:24:01]

Dagmar:

It's yet another "I'm too lazy to do research" question

[15:24:03]

numer:

irc, channel

[15:24:14]

juski:

anyway it's time for me to go home

[15:24:52]

numer:

No, I think it is yet another "How can I make stuff more complicated"

[15:24:57]

numer:

answer

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Dagmar:

Perhaps you should consider not pirating mp3's then

[15:25:11]

tank-man:

numer, find . -iname "*mp3" -exec id3tag --song="{}" {} ;

[15:25:25]

numer:

Dagmar who says that those mp3 are pirated?

[15:25:47]

Dagmar:

I've never seen legit mp3s that didn't get id3 tags from a ripping program. HInt hint.

[15:26:00]

numer:

did you ever listen to turkish music?

[15:26:22]

tank-man:

iv seen turkish music on napster :)

[15:26:26]

Dagmar:

So what does this have to do with you being too lazy to even look at the description of what a program can do?

[15:26:27]

numer:

cool

[15:27:04]

numer:

Dagmar if I would know the program, no problem, shure i would look into the description, but i didn't know. so i don't understand your question

[15:27:40]

numer:

tank-man said id3tag, so the hole problem is solved, why are you making stuff more complicated as needed?

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Dagmar:

Amazing. Too lazy to research, but plenty of energy to whine like a noob

[15:28:24]

Dagmar:

numer: Why are you still asking questions about it then?

[15:28:30]

numer:

no, thats what i'm telling you. you are waisting time

[15:28:36]

Dagmar:

No, You're wasting time.

[15:28:50]

** Dagmar sticks out his tongue. **

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numer:

what are you talking about? just be quite and the hole problem is beeing solved for minutes

[15:29:10]

Dagmar:

Stop whining already.

[15:29:35]

numer:

look how tank-man did give a short constructive answer, finished.

[15:29:48]

Neeesat25:

This thing is killing me. It's working now without freeze. I have play a bit with the settings

[15:29:53]

numer:

stop waisting other peoples time

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** Dagmar puts the noob on ignroe **

[15:30:14]

** numer don't care about madams ignore list **

[15:30:23]

numer:

don't care about madams ignore list

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D-side:

how bout that

[15:30:55]

Dagmar:

Neeesat25: If it's working, count your blessings and don't tease it. ;)

[15:31:43]

Dagmar:

Particularly don't try to fix what isn't broken.

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Neeesat25:

yes sure

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Neeesat25:

happy now

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Dagmar:

Man it's just incredible how telling whiny noobs that they're in the ignore list shuts them up.

[15:33:02]

Dagmar:

Neeesat25: It might well have been that it was just busy getting the inital list of songs sorted out

[15:33:18]

numer:

can't you stop?

[15:33:38]

Dagmar:

Neeesat25: I was looking at the source on it, and it's really not doing much when you go into the playlists

[15:33:49]

Dagmar:

numer: Last word.

[15:33:57]

numer:

probaply his parents didn't tell him that sometimes you better stop

[15:34:15]

Dagmar:

Too late. I already have the last word.

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numer:

good for you

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Dagmar:

Damn noobs

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Ruleke:

It's not that, it's a culture thing

[15:35:09]

Dagmar:

I know

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Ruleke:

the "last word" thing is very important to some people

[15:35:24]

Dagmar:

It's like kicking toddlers. It's just so *easy* I can't help myself.

[15:35:28]

frink_:

hmm, the mythtv frontend video player seems to load up the whole video before playing it...

[15:35:44]

Dagmar:

frink_: Huh? What's giving you that idea?

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numer:

yes very very important to some people, specialy for women

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I guess it would absolutely kill some people to ever let a woman have the last word.

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tank-man:

stop feeding the trolls :P

[15:36:54]

Dagmar:

It's a good thing then that I'm a guy with a monstrously huge wang.

[15:36:58]

tank-man:

now i got the last word

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Neeesat25:

Sorry Dagmar I was away. Yea probably

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Ruleke:

Dagmar: I was waiting for that to dawn on him

[15:42:06]

Ruleke:

though I do know some girls called dagmar ;)

[15:42:16]

Dagmar:

frink_: I ask because I'm pretty sure it does no such thing. For one thing, I have more than a few 15Gb recordings, and it would take MUCH time for them to be read in their entirety

[15:44:16]

Dagmar:

Now, for it to simply seek() to the end of the file to get an idea of how long something is so it can draw the progress bar properly, that's another matter.

[15:46:33]

numer:

Ruleke some girls? You won't find in europe one guy called Dagmar. She is definately female

[15:47:05]

Ruleke:

erm yes

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Ruleke:

isn't that what I said ?

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Dagmar:

Don't make me slap you with my dick.

[15:47:31]

Ruleke:

I didn't make a statement of knowing any guys called that, but then again, this is IRC and these are NICKnames

[15:47:45]

numer:

madam, you should be ignoring me

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Dagmar:

Names are not bound to sexes.

[15:47:51]

Dagmar:

Chavanist moron.

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numer:

aha

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Ruleke:

chauvenist

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Ruleke:

are you french or not ? ;)

[15:48:03]

Ruleke:

:p

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Dagmar:

Enh. Kinda hard to type balancing the notebook on one knee.

[15:48:20]

numer:

doesn't matter this can happen to any woman

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Dagmar:

I suppose you'd know.

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frink_:

Dagmar: I have a nFS mounted video directory, when I start playing a vid it says "loading''''" waits, there is lots of NFS activity....

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frink_:

BUt other video files play straight away.

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frink_:

oh well

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** frink_ gets vlc **

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Dagmar:

Probably the format requires it to seek through the file

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Ruleke:

same here with some recordings...

[15:59:20]

Dagmar:

Time to jump up to gigE

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Dagmar:

...and/or kill off any nasty 10base-T devices connected to your switch

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Ruleke:

yer backbone is 1G already

[16:00:10]

Ruleke:

why would the 10base-T influence the other ports ?

[16:00:37]

Dagmar:

Lots of switches will basically punt you back to half speed if there's even one 10base-T connection

[16:01:03]

Ruleke:

hmm never heard that

[16:01:04]

Dagmar:

I wanna say it makes half duplex operation unsafe, but I could have it backwards.

[16:01:16]

quicksilver:

it's all about your switch

[16:01:30]

quicksilver:

a decent one is capable of handling different speeds

[16:01:38]

Ruleke:

yeah I would imagine

[16:01:47]

quicksilver:

however some of the cheap ones degrade in various ways if tehre is even one slow port

[16:02:02]

quicksilver:

or their ports are in 'sectors' and one slow port degrades the whole sector

[16:02:06]

quicksilver:

that kind of stuff

[16:02:33]

Ruleke:

only thing I ever saw was a switch with a backplane speed lower than the aggregate of the ports

[16:02:37]

Ruleke:

that was pretty silly

[16:02:47]

Ruleke:

acceptable for some stuff maybe

[16:02:50]

quicksilver:

it's not that silly, if it makes it cheaper

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Dagmar:

Screw cheap

[16:03:06]

quicksilver:

you might know you were never going to max out all ports

[16:03:18]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: that depends if we're talking for professional use or for home

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quicksilver:

at home I value cheap quite highly :)

[16:03:31]

qu0zl:

it's why i picked my gf

[16:03:47]

Dagmar:

At this point in time we're talking the difference between $3 for a 10base-T card and $7 for a 100base-T card

[16:03:53]

Dagmar:

It's all cheap.

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Dagmar:

THrow away the slow ethernet devices.

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quicksilver:

Dagmar: of course, that would be false economy

[16:04:35]

Dagmar:

My time is worth more than $4/hour.

[16:04:43]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: but if we were talking about $50 for a router with a 1G backplane or $500 for a router with a 40G backplane

[16:04:47]

quicksilver:

that might be different

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Dagmar:

If you have a need for a 40G backplane, you can probably afford the $500

[16:05:15]

quicksilver:

of course

[16:05:19]

quicksilver:

but you might not

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Dr_willis:

Speaking of 10/100 speed network cards.. – how does one verify that your network card is working at 100 speed?

[16:05:29]

quicksilver:

I was responding to ruleke's point about aggregate of the prts

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Dr_willis:

I 'thought' i saw a dmesg message about my nic at 10 speed.. wanting to double check that its at 100 speed.

[16:05:52]

Ruleke:

yeah hence my note

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quicksilver:

if you want a practical test, just scp a file (or wget) from one of your machines to anotther

[16:06:16]

Dagmar:

Dr_willis: Lots of ways. Watching syslog when the module loads and it does media detection is one, looking at the lights on the ports on the switch is another, I think miitool can be used to poll a card as well...

[16:06:30]

quicksilver:

you should see around 800K/sec on 10M, and 7–8M/sec on 100M

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Ruleke:

Dr_willis: ethtool most of the time

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Dr_willis:

i though ifconfig told ya. but i dont see it in there.

[16:07:01]

Ruleke:

ethtool

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Dr_willis:

Speed: 10Mb/s

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Dr_willis:

so i AM correct – its only doing 10 speed.

[16:07:30]

Ruleke:

there you go :)

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Dagmar:

Ick. Shoot it.

[16:07:40]

Dr_willis:

I thought it was slow on the up/downloads...

[16:07:42]

Ruleke:

also check duplex :)

[16:07:43]

Dr_willis:

Not suer why its so slow.

[16:07:56]

Ruleke:

check supported link modes

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Dr_willis:

Duplex: Half Port: Twisted Pair

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Dagmar:

Is it supposed to be a fast ethernet card?

[16:08:23]

Dr_willis:

its build in to this older mb.. but its a 100 speed card

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qu0zl:

it's not plugged into a 10mb device at the other end right?

[16:08:31]

Dr_willis:

supported link modes --> 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full

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Ruleke:

smells like an autoneg problem :)

[16:08:38]

Dr_willis:

Its going right into my Linksys router

[16:08:45]

Dagmar:

Smells like media misdetection

[16:08:46]

Dr_willis:

yea – sounds like it to me also.

[16:08:53]

Ruleke:

switch it with ethtool

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Dr_willis:

yea – ive never had this issue with any other disrtos on any of my machines. :P

[16:09:36]

Dagmar:

What model Linksys router?

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Ruleke:

you could first try re-negotiating with ethtool -r

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Dr_willis:

Wireless Compact router.

[16:11:30]

Ruleke:

then just set it if it fails :)

[16:11:41]

Dr_willis:

heh i set the speed to 100. now its not responding at all. :) ssh is locked up to the box.

[16:11:56]

Dr_willis:

now i got to walk to the other side of the room.....

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BULLE:

Dr_willis: 3com nick ?

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Ruleke:

it's built in he says :)

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Dagmar:

OMG lovely hehe

[16:12:29]

Dr_willis:

nah.. some build in cheap thang

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BULLE:

Ruleke: yes, and that doesnt rule out 3com

[16:12:37]

Dr_willis:

its an older mb ive had for some time.

[16:12:46]

Ruleke:

yeah I know, just slim chances

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Dagmar:

Generally media detection works as well as whatever you've connected to is going to be able to work

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Dagmar:

Miswired or badly wired cables are probably the #1 reason for media detection failure

[16:13:54]

Dagmar:

It could be just broken enough to only be able to function at 10base-T anymore

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Dr_willis:

heh i managed to break a 2 ft long network cable. :)

[16:14:28]

Dr_willis:

perhaps.. :) lets see if i got some spares..

[16:15:03]

Dagmar:

Actually I was talking about the NIC being broken, but triage rules would be to try a new known, good cable first.

[16:15:16]

Dagmar:

...simply because it's a real quick thing to try

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Ruleke:

I've seen nog autoneg problems on old alcatel pre-802.3ab switches :)

[16:17:17]

Dr_willis:

heh its allllllll confused now. :)

[16:17:18]

Ruleke:

but 802.3ab was way back in 1999 =)

[16:17:39]

Dagmar:

And it is teh satan

[16:18:13]

Ruleke:

I think there was a revision in 1998 of 802.3 which clarified autnegotiation

[16:18:18]

Ruleke:

silly old hardware

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Dr_willis:

I got a spare linksys nic here somewhere.. may put it in. :)

[16:19:07]

Dagmar:

wrt54gc?

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Dagmar:

Hmm... It has no non-fast ethernet ports on it, so that shoots that theory

[16:20:15]

Ruleke:

:)

[16:20:40]

Ruleke:

http://www.sun.com/blueprints/0704/817-7526.pdf

[16:20:46]

Ruleke:

more than you wanted to know I'm sure

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Ruleke:

anyway it's hometime

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Weezey:

I just updated mythtv to latest rpms, from not-so-old rpms but now I have no listings.

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kslater:

ivor – had the top of my SP 13000 mythbox (resetting bios) and got a good look at the DVI-02 daughterboard. Chip used is a VT1632A, not a VT1623a as I said yesterday

[16:52:54]

Weezey:

also, running mythfilldatabase seems to leave it just hanging there, it connects to the database twice and just sits there.

[16:54:16]

Dagmar:

Reboot and/or hassle whoever made your RPMs about why they are smoking so much crack

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Dr_willis:

all righty – got my mythtv box set up and recording. got 1 show recorded. I see the show in the 'job queue' – the comercials wont get 'hidden' untill that job is done correct?

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Dagmar:

eggsactly

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Dr_willis:

Now... how do i tell how far along that Queue is? heh ..

[16:56:07]

Dagmar:

You don't basically.

[16:56:09]

Dr_willis:

actually i see the same show twice in the queue..

[16:56:09]

kslater:

once the commercial is flagged in the db, it will skip while the rest of the file is flagged, no?

[16:56:25]

Dagmar:

I don't know.

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Dagmar:

Generally I'm not that pushy

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Dr_willis:

kslater, the jobs get done relativly quickly? or will it wait and do it when the system is not as loaded? or wait and do them all at a specific time?

[16:57:20]

Dr_willis:

Wife dont want to see the comercials in her 'scrapbooking' show she made me record. Heh..

[16:57:30]

Dr_willis:

Scrapbooking... *shudder*

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kslater:

there are settings somewhere that control whether the commflagging starts immediately or waits for quiet time

[16:57:38]

Dr_willis:

cools.

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Dr_willis:

settings soemwhere. :) that describes Mythtv... sooooo well. :)

[16:57:55]

kslater:

also commflagging can be farmed out to remote backends

[16:58:12]

Dagmar:

...and to Chinese college students.

[16:58:13]

Dr_willis:

aha.. i rember seeing 'commflagging'

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kslater:

it's probably in settins under tv -< general if I had to guess

[16:58:47]

kslater:

doh

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Dr_willis:

day by day – i am slowly getting this mythtv box slapped into shape. got the TV out working on my ati card today. got my schedules fixed.

[16:58:56]

kslater:

tv -> general

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Dr_willis:

Ok.. let me also clarify somthing.. under the front end 'settings' Vs. the 'mythtv-setup' program settings theres some settings that can ONLY be set by running 'mythtv-setup' correct?

[17:02:25]

kslater:

that is true

[17:02:32]

Dagmar:

yes, but by and large the really annoying stuff is only to be found in the frontend after 10 minutes fo searching

[17:03:15]

Dr_willis:

but a show should be comflagged after perhaps 24 hrs tops eh?

[17:03:19]

kslater:

mythtv-setup is mostly for 1 time items. the items that control the operation should mostly be in fe

[17:03:44]

Weezey:

what table do the listings live in?

[17:03:51]

Weezey:

table(s)

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kslater:

Dr_willis can you get to your fe?

[17:04:31]

Dagmar:

DrWillis; Considering commflagging begins almost as soon as the recording ends, unless you're doing this on a DX4–100, yeah, it should defiitely be done in under 24 hours

[17:04:35]

Dr_willis:

got the front end running on the machine next to me.

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Dr_willis:

Dagmar, ok. cool. the show just finished 10 min ago. :P

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Dagmar:

So like, give it a half hour tops

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Dr_willis:

to flagg a hr show.. on a 2ghz machine should take about how long? half hr.. eh?

[17:05:32]

Dr_willis:

or less. :) hopefully. heh heh

[17:05:43]

mlehrer:

for the past couple of weeks, i have been getting zap2it errors, and mythtv won't record anything

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kslater:

1.3gz machine, 1/2 show, 4 commercial breaks found took 24min 12sec for me

[17:05:55]

kslater:

* 1/2hr show

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mlehrer:

i'n not sure if the problems are related

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mlehrer:

but i'm guessing that they are

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mlehrer:

did something change with zap2it recently?

[17:06:19]

Dr_willis:

Getting this all set up for the wife for Xmas...

[17:06:59]

Dr_willis:

one other thing i noticed. is that i tend to hit 'back/exit' on the remote too mych and always got to answer 'no' to the 'exit mythtv' question.

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kslater:

yea, me too

[17:07:21]

Dr_willis:

I should lock it where you cant exit.. befor handing it over to her.

[17:07:29]

Dagmar:

Yet Another Miscellaneous Configuration Item In The Frontend, Dr_Willis

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qu0zl:

Dr_willis, launch it with a script that relaunches it if it exits, or add it to inittab

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Dr_willis:

Thats a front end or 'mythtv-setup' setting? :)

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qu0zl:

then if she exits it it won't matter

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Dagmar:

I use the three fingered shutdown to exit

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Dagmar:

It's a frontend setting

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qu0zl:

you can actually set it to not allow exiting?

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kslater:

I made the power button on my mythremote do a stop if running and start if stopped action

[17:08:41]

qu0zl:

so many settings, so little time :)

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Dagmar:

lol

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Dagmar:

Basically, if you just sit down and iteratively wander through ALL the setup menus, you'll realize how insane they are

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Dr_willis:

aha... 'system exit key'

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Dagmar:

Nope

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Dagmar:

Don't try unbinding it

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Dagmar:

There's a whole nother setting to forbid simply exiting

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Dr_willis:

no? the help seems to state thats what it does...

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Dagmar:

If you're in MythControls' little thing then you're in the wrong place

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Dr_willis:

Under 'general'

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Dagmar:

If you're inside the regular setup stuff then you have the right one

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Dr_willis:

right above 'confrm exit' :)

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Dagmar:

Okay that's definitely the place

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kslater:

I know that remote transcoding isn't supported (yet?), but I have jobs that seem to try it and then fail. I'm thinking those shows don't get rescheduled to transcode on the source b/e. Anyone seen this?

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Dr_willis:

and it even works ... :)

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juski:

re

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BULLE:

juski: talked with mrs juski yet ?

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juski:

well I won't be visiting that barber shop again. racist idiots

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juski:

BULLE: there's no budging on the party idea, but I'm happy just to get drunk at home with her :)

[17:24:24]

BULLE:

if you are happy, im happy

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juski:

pity about the barber shop – damn good haircuts, but bigoted fools running it. I hate racism

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BULLE:

juski: what did they do ? that made you think they are racistical ?

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juski:

if I want to listen to jingoist banter about having "a slap a p**i day" I'd go to my local National Front meetings. sheesh

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juski:

thing is you can't really walk out of a place mid-haircut

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BULLE:

well, you can =)

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BULLE:

but you will most likely look pretty funny

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juski:

aye

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juski:

specially half way through a number 2

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** BULLE havent had a haircut in 2 years or so **

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juski:

I considered letting it do its own thing – infact I do every year but it gets too much

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juski:

I'm not yer typical linux user – I mean I don't even have a beard! ;)

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juski:

maybe when I get more knowledgable I'll have earned the right

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BULLE:

hehe

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BULLE:

i see it as a means to an end

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BULLE:

if i have short hair and no beard at all, everyone things im like 15

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BULLE:

and i have to show my id all the frigging time

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juski:

last time I was in the US I had to show my ID. I was 28 ffs

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jduggan:

lmfao

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BULLE:

hehe, they are very id crazy though

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jduggan:

i get id'd

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jduggan:

quite often

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jduggan:

but i guess a compliment

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juski:

that was in some 7/11 or other next to my hotel, which was next to a trailer park

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juski:

made my visit to FL a little more enjoyable, but then so did a cruise down to the beach on a Saturday afternoon.

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juski:

felt like a rebel when I saw the 'no cruising' signs

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juski:

unless I missed the real meaning of the signs of course.. maybe they meant CRUISING

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crudpuppy:

can someone explain this whole backend/frontend thing.....I'll prolly just do one system that is both, but want to understand what is the backend versus what is the frontend

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jduggan:

backend does all the record

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jduggan:

front end does all the watching

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janneg:

backend is recording, frontend is displaying

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jduggan:

basically.

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_LM_:

crudpuppy: backend is responsible for tuner-cards, storage, tvguide etc. frontend is just showing the userinterface on your screen

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crudpuppy:

so the backend has the tuner cards etc, and the mysql db, and the front end is/can be a weaker machine that just has the vid card and audio

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juski:

frontend is the user interface / media player bit

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juski:

backend does all the recording, scheduling, transcoding etc

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juski:

they can live on the same machine or be on lots of different machines – e.g. multiple frontends & multiple backends

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juski:

I was under the impression the docs make that pretty clear

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juski:

maybe some pretty pictures would help ;)

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crudpuppy:

its hard to understand what hw goes where

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crudpuppy:

lol

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jduggan:

put ur tuner cards in the backend

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jduggan:

everything else in the frontend

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qu0zl:

large HDs for storage in the backend too

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crudpuppy:

and the backend should be the real powerhouse then? front end can be a slower machine in that case?

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jduggan:

crudpuppy: correct

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juski:

or the opposite

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qu0zl:

not necessarily

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qu0zl:

decoding video is more cpu intensive than just dumping mpeg to HD

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qu0zl:

so if the backend is dvb or hardware encoder cards then it can be lower cpu

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juski:

much much more intensive

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jduggan:

well yea, i guess it depends what hardware you're running

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qu0zl:

if the frontend is decoding hdtv it'll need to be really powerful

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jduggan:

as in, how many tuners etc

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fryfrog:

actually, the *backend* is better as a "weak" machine, with lots of hd space

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qu0zl:

i'd agree with that.

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crudpuppy:

see this is the confusing part, everyone seem to disagree

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crudpuppy:

lol

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fryfrog:

the *frontend* (especially if you do hd) would be better off with the faster cpu / video

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qu0zl:

:)

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juski:

you could probably run a 5 tuner HDTV backend on a 500Mhz machine if the IO subsystem could keep up

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fryfrog:

crudpuppy: i'm disagreeing with *you*

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crudpuppy:

lol

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fryfrog:

< crudpuppy> and the backend should be the real powerhouse then? front end can be a slower machine in that case?

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crudpuppy:

so a 500mhz would really run the backend ok?

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fryfrog:

thats all

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fryfrog:

oh, bah everyone else replied before :)

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qu0zl:

yes crudpuppy, unless you're using a frame grabber card

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seth|laptop:

PeterC: In fact, it is the frontend that is causing ivtv to DMA crash out. I tried it last night, and at about 20 minutes into the recording, it errored, after a quick reboot, I disables

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qu0zl:

which would be a bad idea anyway

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juski:

crudpuppy: thing is, you can have a nice powerful frontend in a cute case in your livingroom under the TV. That box may or may not have any HDDs inside. The backend might live in a really big ugly noisy box and be less powerful than the frontend

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fryfrog:

crudpuppy: I have done 4x PVR250s on a 1ghz amd athlon xp

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seth|laptop:

PeterC: I killed the frontend, and bam! everything worked perfectly

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fryfrog:

thats 4 streams of SD

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juski:

seth|laptop: still in love with knoppmyth then? ;)

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seth|laptop:

PeterC: I also tried disabling opengl painter, no effect, and tried the lightest weight theme I could find, also no effect. The frontend ios definitely causing the DMA issue

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fryfrog:

If you are buying *new* hardware, you would be a-okay going with the cheapest stuff available now for a backend. The slowest $50 CPU would be over kill (for a backend)

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seth|laptop:

juski: why yes, hehe

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crudpuppy:

ok, also I've heard mixed reviews on the different flavors of installs? knoppmyth fc myth etc.....what you guys run on a os level?

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juski:

ubuntu

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juski:

quick, easy

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qu0zl:

ubuntu. use whatever distro you know well

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fryfrog:

crudpuppy: which ever distro you are most familiar with is the best

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crudpuppy:

gentoo

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crudpuppy:

lol

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seth|laptop:

juski: I am not so sure it is KP's fault, the ivtv driver is newer, the only thing that has stayed the same is the kernel

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juski:

if you don't know Jack Schidt, use knoppmyth

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fryfrog:

i used gentoo with myth for years, went well

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qu0zl:

if you're experienced with linux then i'd avoid knoppmyth. Once you want to mess around with its defaults it gets awkward compared to a normal distro

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crudpuppy:

cool, wasnt sure it myth play'd well on gentoo

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fryfrog:

i just got tired of the *time* it took to do anything :/

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kslater:

if I connect an antenna to a PVR-250 can I record a second stream of broadcast SD?

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fryfrog:

crudpuppy: actually, gentoo is great in that you'll find the "latest" of most things you need quite easily

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** seth|laptop failed in trying to install ubuntu amd64, couldn't get myth to compile **

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juski:

kslater: huh?

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seth|laptop:

:-(

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kslater:

or is it either the S-Video or Antenna input

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kslater:

nevermind

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kslater:

stupid question

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qu0zl:

only one tuner kslater

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qu0zl:

encoder even

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fryfrog:

Cardoe uses the svn -fixes branch for the 0.20 release and nice new versions of ivtv, lirc, etc are on it

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juski:

kslater: ONE tuner card can only record ONE thing at a time

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kslater:

someone slap me with a trout

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fryfrog:

that said, it takes like 1hr to install ubuntu and be ready to work with myth

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qu0zl:

you don't deserve the trout ;)

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fryfrog:

it takes like 10 hours + to get to that point in gentoo :(

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juski:

you're not worthy of his royal troutiness

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crudpuppy:

lol

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seth|laptop:

fryfrog: are you using the amd64 version?

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juski:

;)

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: no, i went with 32 bit ubuntu so i could do cross stuff easily

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fryfrog:

my main fe is dual old xeons, no 64bit

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kslater:

btw, I need a trout slapping routine for our internal dev/qa ircd

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fryfrog:

main be is amd64

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** seth|laptop wonders how well 32bit ubuntu will work on amd64 **

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fryfrog:

works fine

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seth|laptop:

I guess well then

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seth|laptop:

:-)

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jduggan:

has anyone done any benchmarking on mythtv with a 64bit distro in comparison to 32

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** seth|laptop has **

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fryfrog:

after all, windows is 32bit :)

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fryfrog:

64bit is basically a waste of time at this point

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juski:

I suspected as much

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qu0zl:

i think that's the truth

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juski:

even now? and how long's it been around?

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fryfrog:

the 64bit cpus are just as fast in 32bit mode as they are in 64bit

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fryfrog:

*unless* you have a 64bit app running, then maybe you get some boost

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crudpuppy:

thanks a ton guys, I think I understand this all alot better

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crudpuppy:

I'll be back for sure when it comes time

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crudpuppy:

lol

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fryfrog:

and of course, everyone with more than 4G of ram might like 64bit more

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qu0zl:

good luck with it crudpuppy

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seth|laptop:

with amd64 gentoo, playing a 1080i clip called crawford, X was at 11% and frontend was at 46%, using libmpeg2 and one field, with 32 bit debian x was still at 11 or 12% but frontend was at 72%

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fryfrog:

and anyone with1 1TB ram requires 64bit!

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juski:

crudpuppy: y'all come back now y'hear? asking intelligent questions is good :)

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: i doubt it was a 32bit vs. 64bit thing

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fryfrog:

if you'd do a 64bit and 32bit gentoo on the *same* box, then maybe you could compare

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seth|laptop:

possible, was KP .vs gentoo amd64

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fryfrog:

but amd64 and x86 have different maskings

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seth|laptop:

right

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fryfrog:

so even then, it could be a tiny system difference :(

[17:53:40]

seth|laptop:

it would install different versions of core needs

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fryfrog:

it *might*

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janneg:

athlon64 is faster in 64bit mode

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juski:

much faster?

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** seth|laptop has a plan **

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fryfrog:

no way, though perhaps a few % faster

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juski:

not that I'm bothered about out & out speed as such, just interesting to know

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janneg:

not much but measurable

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fryfrog:

It *might* be up to like 5% faster, just a guess

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seth|laptop:

step 1 setup newly aquired dual xeon box as a KP backend, and build a gentoo amd64 frontend

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juski:

wow. as 'much' as that eh

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fryfrog:

but not enough to make a difference to an end user

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jduggan:

i hear even the nvidia 64bit drivers are shite

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juski:

like the difference between DDR, DDR2 & matched DDR2 pairs

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fryfrog:

no way

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fryfrog:

DDR and DDR2 give *huge* performance increases

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jduggan:

was reading a review this afternoon

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juski:

do they?

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fryfrog:

same with both paired

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** seth|laptop runs amd64 nvidia drivers and gentoo on laptop **

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fryfrog:

yeah, for sure

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juski:

not what I gathered from a THG article

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fryfrog:

oh?

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fryfrog:

well, it wouldn't be the *first* time i was wrong :)

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juski:

thought it was like 5% tops

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fryfrog:

but simply adding a 2nd stick of ram to a dual channel setup increases memory bandwidth by a *ton*

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janneg:

10%-20% but special applications can be much faster

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jduggan:

seth|laptop: i was reading a review/benchmark site it said running the same system between 32bit and 64bit was alot slower all round, but most noticeable on fps.. they put it down to their drivers

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fryfrog:

in *theory* it should double the bandwidth, but of course you'd never see it :)

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juski:

if you have enough RAM in the first place & it's used efficiently...

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fryfrog:

same with DDR -> DDR2

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fryfrog:

with "dual channel" (if the chipset supports it) the memory path is 128bit instead of 64bit (1 stick vs. 2 stick)

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seth|laptop:

jduggan: I wouldn't know about the 32 bit, I have an older version on my gaming box, but I have had no issues with the laptop, so I can't complain, still plays quake4 in 1280x800 well.

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fryfrog:

course, *if* you have a 64bit cpu there is *hardly* any reason to *not* use a 64bit distro

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PeterC:

seth|laptop: I only tried to increase the amount of debug logging, but found nothing of interest.

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jduggan:

seth|laptop: like i said, it's just what ive read, im not lucky enough to own anything as new as 64bit cpu :)

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fryfrog:

I ran ~amd64 on my amd64 box running gentoo :)

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PeterC:

seth|laptop: I saw that there were new versions of ivtv released december 10th.

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juski:

woo I'm up to 12 days uptime since I fixed the HDD power cables

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fryfrog:

jduggan: you can't hardly swing a stick w/o hitting a 64bit cpu :)

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juski:

I know.. as much as that. I'm used to much more than that.. like > 6 months before I started moving stuff around

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seth|laptop:

PeterC: I am running the newest version for my kernel 0.7.3 for 2.6.15

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jduggan:

fryfrog: indeed, i havent bought a new box in

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jduggan:

~maybe a year

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fryfrog:

bah, all my 64bit boxes are at least a year old :)

[18:00:31]

jduggan:

newest cpu i have is a 3.2ghz 1mb cache p4

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fryfrog:

amd64 3200+ is old

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fryfrog:

ahhh, intel

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jduggan:

yea

[18:00:39]

fryfrog:

no wonder :)

[18:00:44]

jduggan:

[18:00:54]

jduggan:

with 250gb sata and 1gig ram

[18:01:04]

jduggan:

so it was a steal

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seth|laptop:

my mythbox is amd64 3200+ my laptop is amd64 3400+ but both are like a year old

[18:01:30]

juski:

I'm going for something much less power hungry next time

[18:01:41]

jduggan:

what are you using juski

[18:01:52]

juski:

so when it's sitting there not doing much, it'll be nice & efficient :)

[18:02:02]

juski:

athlonxp 2000

[18:02:05]

fryfrog:

I need another 320G drive :(

[18:02:13]

juski:

just eats like 230W all the time, 24/7

[18:02:20]

jduggan:

aah

[18:02:24]

fryfrog:

and i would like to find an X2 for it, but newegg seemed to stop carring the cheap ass 939 amd64 X2s :(

[18:02:39]

jduggan:

ah

[18:02:43]

jduggan:

939

[18:02:45]

jduggan:

no wonder

[18:02:51]

jduggan:

that socket type came and went pretty quick

[18:02:53]

seth|laptop:

what is the highest cpu an 939 can take these days?

[18:03:01]

fryfrog:

they still make socket 939 chips

[18:03:04]

jduggan:

makes keeping your system new a pain in the ass

[18:03:08]

fryfrog:

but i want an older, 3800+ X2

[18:03:11]

** seth|laptop mythbox is 939 **

[18:03:16]

fryfrog:

i think *that* was the slowest 939 X2 you could get

[18:03:32]

fryfrog:

when they were at newegg, they were only $100

[18:04:51]

jduggan:

i need so much more hardware, my stuff is all deprecated

[18:05:17]

mlehrer:

i am using 939 & x2 3800, rocks

[18:05:26]

mlehrer:

ebay

[18:05:54]

mlehrer:

or pricewatch.cm

[18:06:05]

jduggan:

next on the list is a raid5 card and then gigabit hardware

[18:06:25]

seth|laptop:

so I take it KP users are the only ones having the ivtv DMA issue?

[18:06:37]

mlehrer:

ouch, they are charging a lot for 939 cpus

[18:07:04]

PeterC:

seth|laptop: KP?

[18:07:15]

seth|laptop:

knoppmyth

[18:07:16]

mlehrer:

135 for am2 x2 3800, but 220 for the 939 version

[18:07:19]

mlehrer:

wtf

[18:07:37]

seth|laptop:

PeterC: which distro are you on?

[18:07:38]

PeterC:

seth|laptop: I run Debian

[18:07:59]

seth|laptop:

well KP is based on debian sarge

[18:08:22]

** seth|laptop is worried if he switches to ubuntu, he'll have the same issue **

[18:08:29]

PeterC:

seth|laptop: yes, I run etch (testing)

[18:09:00]

qu0zl:

cool, according to slashdot you can get mythtv 0.2 now!

[18:09:11]

qu0zl:

it must be for people with chronic nostalgia

[18:09:31]

fryfrog:

cheapest X2 939 on newegg is a 4400+ for like $200

[18:09:35]

seth|laptop:

i should just update my svn, and see if it fixes the issue

[18:09:40]

PeterC:

seth|laptop: Did you build mythtv or install from pre-built?

[18:09:50]

fryfrog:

some stupid asses on eay are paying almost $200 for a 3800+ cpu

[18:09:53]

seth|laptop:

PeterC: built fro svn

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seth|laptop:

from

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mlehrer:

4400 is nice, 1M cache per core

[18:10:08]

PeterC:

seth|laptop: I use pre-built

[18:10:15]

mcquaid:

I want to show a friend a couple of screen shots of a show i recorded in myth

[18:10:21]

mcquaid:

is there a way to take snaps?

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fryfrog:

they are just mpeg files, so anything you know of that can do that with an mpeg?

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fryfrog:

well, assuming you aren't using some bitbanger card

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qu0zl:

i think vlc can

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bedboi:

hi there

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PeterC:

Is there any mythfrontend developer on this channel? Please step forward...

[18:12:51]

jrr:

frontend and backend both require pretty modern machines to deal with HD content, yes?

[18:13:03]

juski:

PeterC: state your concern

[18:13:09]

qu0zl:

just the frontend jrr

[18:13:15]

bedboi:

anyone knows what's the file format used by mythtv when recording from TV?

[18:13:26]

qu0zl:

the backend is going to just be dumping an mpeg stream to HD

[18:13:27]

juski:

bedboi: nuppelvideo, or mpeg2

[18:13:31]

fryfrog:

bedboi: depends on our tuner card, but probably mpeg2

[18:13:42]

bedboi:

1102_20061214021252.nuv

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fryfrog:

try "file <name here>"

[18:13:54]

bedboi:

" file 1102_20061214021252.nuv" returns "data"

[18:13:57]

fryfrog:

see if it says anything

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fryfrog:

oh

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juski:

nuppelvideo, bedboi

[18:14:11]

bedboi:

juski: mplayer should be able to play that?

[18:14:14]

fryfrog:

bedboi: do you have a software based encoder card?

[18:14:17]

juski:

which you'd know if you'd bothered to read the docs

[18:14:22]

PeterC:

juski: I don't know if you have followed my discussion with seth|laptop but it seems that we both have ivtv DMA problems when recording only when the frontend is running.

[18:14:37]

juski:

no mplayer won't be able to play it

[18:15:05]

juski:

PeterC: it'd be best to post about the problem on the mythtv-users' mailing list

[18:15:22]

bedboi:

fryfrog: i have terratec cinergy (em28xx)

[18:15:30]

bedboi:

the hybrid one

[18:15:43]

PeterC:

juski: I have done that a while ago with no luck. I will try again.

[18:15:58]

juski:

PeterC: include as much info as possible

[18:16:18]

bedboi:

juski: so i can watch that only with mythtv

[18:16:35]

juski:

bedboi: unless you use nuvexport or something, yes

[18:16:45]

PeterC:

juski: What would be of relevance except for distro, versions

[18:16:59]

juski:

or you swap the duff tuner card for a better, hardware mpeg encoding model like the hauppauge pvr150 :)

[18:17:25]

juski:

PeterC: output of mythfrontend --verbose all, for example

[18:17:43]

juski:

and mythbackend --verbose all too

[18:17:55]

bedboi:

juski: well i'm using that on my laptop

[18:17:55]

PeterC:

juski: OK

[18:18:07]

juski:

just because it only seems to happen when mythfrontend is running, doesn't mean it's mythfrontend's fault

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PeterC:

Thanks, seth|laptop and juski

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jrr:

a backend with a hardware encoder needn't be too beefy, correct?

[18:20:16]

jrr:

what about firewire to my cable box?

[18:20:16]

juski:

correct

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juski:

no idea

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jrr:

i'm pretty sure it sends mpeg2; i'm not certain how much chewing is required on the computer's part

[18:20:39]

juski:

don't think it'd need to be all that powerful

[18:20:57]

juski:

your only concern is whether it can keep up with all the file IO

[18:21:42]

jrr:

i *do* know that everything through that firewire comes in 1080p

[18:21:50]

jrr:

could really kill hard drives / the bus they're connected to

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juski:

nah

[18:22:19]

juski:

even 1080p mpeg2 is only like 18mbits/sec

[18:22:57]

D-side:

yeah

[18:23:12]

D-side:

i'm actually able to watch hd over a wireless connection

[18:23:20]

jrr:

that's encouraging

[18:23:30]

juski:

it shouldn't be

[18:23:38]

juski:

YMMV, greatly

[18:23:43]

D-side:

oh, 100%

[18:23:49]

D-side:

i'm absolutely shocked i could do so.

[18:24:11]

jrr:

when using separate back/front ends, is there a big annoying between-channel surfing delay?

[18:24:27]

juski:

jrr: no more than usual

[18:24:44]

juski:

channel surfing isn't what mythtv is good at though

[18:24:49]

juski:

it's NOT a TV viewing app

[18:24:56]

juski:

it's a _PVR_

[18:25:05]

D-side:

i'm lazy as hell. anyone with an SDTV, nvidia card, and svideo out want to send me an xorg.conf? :)

[18:25:26]

D-side:

juski: some would argue with you on that, bbut i'm not one of them.

[18:25:34]

D-side:

i don't even watch livetv on myth anymore.

[18:25:45]

juski:

the devs could ditch livetv & I wouldn't care a damn :)

[18:25:58]

juski:

no wait it's good for testing tuners quickly

[18:26:29]

jrr:

i'm more interested in livetv than scheduled recordings, as the latter can be easily replaced through my *other* cable connection

[18:27:05]

juski:

so use tvtime then

[18:27:23]

D-side:

if you don't want pause/rw/ff features.

[18:27:24]

jrr:

but i want the rest of the frontend bells and whistles

[18:27:31]

juski:

life's too short for channel surfing anyway

[18:27:40]

juski:

once you switch there's no looking back

[18:28:14]

seth|laptop:

occasionally I watch live tv with the tube network, but otherwise its all pre-recorded, and commflagged

[18:28:17]

juski:

if I was still grazing my TV I don't think I'd have had time to exhibit mythtv or knock out 4 themes

[18:28:36]

juski:

certainly wouldn't have time to hang out in here :)

[18:29:07]

D-side:

i don't commflag either. i've never had it work reliably for me. :/

[18:29:31]

D-side:

in the interest of pushing-my-luck, i'm gonna try hd livetv over wifi

[18:29:36]

jrr:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mpeg2 suggests 80Mbps for an HD mpeg2 stream

[18:29:47]

seth|laptop:

occasionally a "presented by" add will slip by, but otherwise mine works well

[18:29:53]

juski:

jrr: in practise it's a _lot_ less

[18:30:00]

fryfrog:

jrr: you'll not care about live tv once you have a few hours stored :)

[18:30:10]

D-side:

uh. it wont let me?

[18:30:29]

fryfrog:

jrr: I'm pretty sure that the ATSC specs specify a max bitrate of like 19mbps?

[18:30:44]

D-side:

what the hell?

[18:30:50]

jrr:

fryfrog: i don't wish to use livetv for normal viewing – those shows come from bittorrent – but rather the occasional kill a couple hours in front of the TV session

[18:30:56]

fryfrog:

maybe like 20–22, but i could swear the ATSC specs are in that range

[18:31:10]

fryfrog:

jrr: then mythtv is *way* over kill

[18:31:20]

BULLE:

ye, i also got the impression that the ATSC specs talks about 20mbit or so

[18:31:43]

jrr:

fryfrog: but i want one unified remote-controlled everything gui

[18:31:45]

fryfrog:

jrr: tvtime, xawtv or... why not just hook your tv up to the cable?

[18:31:54]

D-side:

oh whhat the HELL is this

[18:32:00]

seth|laptop:

do sata drives run dma enabled by default, if not is there a utility like hdparm for sata

[18:32:02]

fryfrog:

i'm sorry, i don't undestand?

[18:32:13]

xris:

jrr: please don't talk about illegal file sharing here.

[18:32:14]

fryfrog:

seth|laptop: i don't think you can turn dma off/on on sata

[18:32:16]

fryfrog:

i think its a req

[18:33:21]

seth|laptop:

still barkiing at these ivtv DMA issues, today I watched "LiveTV" via the pvr150 for near 3 hours, and no issues, but as soon as I try to record something, bam, dma errors, its like a never ending circle

[18:33:25]

seth|laptop:

round and round

[18:33:36]

BULLE:

seth|laptop: what chipset ?

[18:33:55]

seth|laptop:

hmm, its a pvr150mce, letme check dmesg

[18:33:55]

juski:

seth|laptop: livetv IS recorded

[18:34:03]

seth|laptop:

thats what I mean

[18:34:22]

seth|laptop:

but yet scheduling a recording, and having it do so, while the frontend is running, DMA errors

[18:34:34]

D-side:

so i've got two pvr-250's and a firewire input. i'm able to watch analog channels but not firewire feed from livetv. damnit

[18:34:35]

BULLE:

seth|laptop: is it readily reproducible ?

[18:35:31]

D-side:

oh look, its all because i'm an ass.

[18:35:56]

seth|laptop:

cx25840 1–0044: loaded v4l-cx25840.fw firmware

[18:36:07]

** juski tars up blootube-wide 1.0 ready for tomorrow **

[18:36:07]

seth|laptop:

BULLE: yes, i can reproduce it at will

[18:37:00]

seth|laptop:

I can watch livetv, and it runs fine, however if i set a show to record, while watching anything else, hd live, sd recorded, or hd recorded or videos, 20 minutes into the recording on the pvr card, and bam DMA errors

[18:37:38]

seth|laptop:

yet if the frontend is not running, the pvr card records flawlessly

[18:37:44]

D-side:

juski: got any shots?

[18:37:52]

seth|laptop:

mmm, new bloo-tube

[18:38:05]

juski:

D-side: www.juski.co.uk

[18:38:09]

juski:

same old same old :)

[18:38:31]

D-side:

sorry. memory like a sieve and all that.

[18:39:42]

D-side:

i love that osd.

[18:39:50]

janneg:

juski: ffmpeg mpeg4 encoding: 64bit 51.8s, 32bit 56.1s (best of three runs, file was read before each run)

[18:40:13]

D-side:

i should figure out how to use a backend.

[18:40:18]

D-side:

er, slave backend

[18:40:28]

seth|laptop:

slave backend, make all the difference

[18:40:30]

seth|laptop:

:-)

[18:41:01]

juski:

janneg: not much difference then :)

[18:42:26]

janneg:

8%

[18:42:46]

juski:

so what's all the fuss about?

[18:43:11]

janneg:

and the 32bit version is probably more optimized

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: have you pasted the dma errors? are they in myth logs or dmesg?

[18:44:21]

fryfrog:

D-side: I can watch livetv over firewire just fine, though i only do so for testing

[18:45:12]

fryfrog:

D-side: I imagine a pair of PVRs and firewire on one box is trivial

[18:45:28]

janneg:

juski: it's 8% gain without cost as long as you don't use proprietary software

[18:45:33]

fryfrog:

I have 2 HD tuners on one be (master) and 2 firewire STB on the slave be w/o any problem

[18:45:39]

D-side:

fryfrog: this is definately user error.

[18:45:44]

fryfrog:

ah

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D-side:

i'm fixing it. :)

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fryfrog:

it is *odd* that recordings work on firewire, but not livetv though

[18:46:06]

fryfrog:

or is that not the case?

[18:46:15]

D-side:

so... here's probably the dumbest noob question i've ever asked in here. if all my tuners are on the master backend, what good would having slave backends do?

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Ediehow:

hi

[18:46:30]

D-side:

fryfrog: foobar listings setup

[18:46:43]

Ediehow:

can someone tell me if kworld tuner works with mythtv?

[18:46:56]

fryfrog:

D-side: almost none, you soulc set it up to run jobs and it'd do some comm/transcoding

[18:47:04]

Ediehow:

there's a pci one i am interested in and i am wondering if it has hardware encoding for mpeg4

[18:47:23]

fryfrog:

Ediehow: i've never heard of it, did you search for linux drivers?

[18:47:31]

D-side:

kworld is cheap bttv crap.

[18:47:35]

fryfrog:

er, s/soulc/could

[18:47:42]

D-side:

whats it, between $20 and $50 USD?

[18:47:57]

Ediehow:

D-side: does that mean it doesn't have hardware encoding?

[18:48:11]

juski:

Ediehow: even after all this time you don't know how to use google?

[18:48:14]

D-side:

Ediehow: i've never seen one that did. got a url to the particular prodcut?

[18:48:15]

Ediehow:

KWorld TV Tuner/Video Capture/MPEG 4/2/1 Recording/Remote PCI – KW-LTV7131RF

[18:48:16]

janneg:

kworld has also DVB tuners

[18:48:20]

Ediehow:

juski: do you think maybe i've been googling?

[18:48:31]

juski:

Ediehow: kworld do not make mpeg encoding tuner cards

[18:48:36]

Ediehow:

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=104 . . . p;adid=17662

[18:48:40]

Ediehow:

juski: k, i didn't think so

[18:48:47]

juski:

the stuff they advertise is made possible with the windows software they provide

[18:48:49]

Led-Hed:

looking for opinions on the Mac Mini. Is the Core Duo version w/ Intel Graphics capable of handeling HDTV Playback? and would it be better to leave OS-X on it or Install Linux?

[18:48:54]

janneg:

Ediehow: that's probably only software encoding

[18:49:03]

D-side:

Led-Hed: it plays HD just fine here. :)

[18:49:07]

juski:

and it's utter shite if I'm to believe the impression left by posts on tv-cards.com/messageboard

[18:49:14]

D-side:

Led-Hed: i'm using the OS X mythfrontend on it now

[18:49:16]

Ediehow:

janneg: ok, thought maybe i'd get lucky and find a hardware mpeg4 card for cheap

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juski:

only hardware mpeg4 encoder supported by mythtv is the Plextor ConvertX

[18:49:38]

Led-Hed:

D-side: are you using the Mac Remote or 3rd party remote?

[18:49:39]

D-side:

that card is garbage.

[18:49:51]

D-side:

Led-Hed: the apple remote does fine for what i need it for

[18:49:54]

fryfrog:

why bother with hardware mpeg4?

[18:50:06]

D-side:

fryfrog: well, slow down with that.

[18:50:10]

D-side:

hardware mpeg4 would be nice. :)

[18:50:17]

fryfrog:

just get an HD card or a hardware mpeg2 card, if you want you can transcode anything you don't delete

[18:50:28]

D-side:

why transcode if you don't have to?

[18:50:31]

fryfrog:

maybe grab a dual core cpu

[18:50:39]

Led-Hed:

D-side: does the Mac IR sensor use LIRC? Can I use another remote or is the IR reciever proprietary?

[18:50:49]

Ediehow:

fryfrog: well, i have pvr150mce

[18:50:51]

Ediehow:

and it makes mpeg2

[18:50:54]

fryfrog:

well, mainly cause the hardware mpeg4 cards are quite expensive, no?

[18:50:57]

D-side:

Led-Hed: i couldn't tell you. i have no intention of ruining this box by putting linux on it. :)

[18:51:10]

Ediehow:

i just was under the impression i could get smaller size with better quality with mpeg4

[18:51:14]

D-side:

fryfrog: look at the plextor convertx stuff. no its not a "card", but its not too expensive.

[18:51:21]

Led-Hed:

D-side: thanks you've been a big help

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fryfrog:

ah, i was under the impression the hardware mpeg4 cards were in the $100+ range

[18:52:13]

juski:

buy a bugger hdd, Ediehow. it's a far cheaper way to get more space

[18:52:16]

fryfrog:

you can get 2x pvr150s for that much

[18:52:29]

fryfrog:

or yeah, double the hard drive space for less than that prolly :)

[18:52:41]

fryfrog:

even upgrade to a dual core cpu for the cost of 1 card vs. the other

[18:52:44]

D-side:

hardware mpeg4 cards are closer to the $300 range, if yo'ure looking for a pci card.

[18:53:00]

Ediehow:

i have a dual core cpu

[18:53:05]

D-side:

right now though i'm saying phooey to all tuner cards. i'd rather get a second firewire capable tuner box. :)

[18:54:17]

gbee:

I'd rather keep everything in one tidy package if possible :)

[18:54:56]

fryfrog:

D-side: I agree, the firewire setup is the way to go

[18:54:58]

juski:

gbee: I tidied up mythmusic a bit

[18:55:22]

gbee:

with that said I'm starting to think about hooking up my cable box – there are only a couple of channels I'd want to record from it but it'll probably be worth it

[18:55:28]

fryfrog:

D-side: I get *every* station my cable company offers, instead of the 6 HD local stations I get with my pair of $120 HD cards :/

[18:55:45]

fryfrog:

plus, the SD mpeg2 shows are *tiny*

[18:55:50]

fryfrog:

only like 600mb for 30min

[18:55:55]

fryfrog:

and they look fantastic

[18:55:59]

D-side:

okay. i'm going insane.

[18:56:14]

D-side:

what the hell is wrong now. mythbackend is running, but theres no listening ports

[18:56:28]

gbee:

juski: great :) Blootube (inc OSD) has to be the best theme yet imho, looks very professional and tidy

[18:56:52]

juski:

going to 1.0 this weekend

[18:57:15]

juski:

bum. just had a user email me about another font size issue. ffs it looks fine on my box

[18:57:51]

D-side:

heh

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D-side:

thats the exact response people hate.

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D-side:

"it works great here, stop complaining!" :)

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awilkins:

Question : does MythTV support UTF-8?

[18:59:24]

gbee:

awilkins: for what purpose? guide data? themes?

[18:59:32]

awilkins:

Guide data.

[18:59:59]

awilkins:

I'm just getting ticked off with accented characters looking funny – I'm not sure where the fault lies though.

[19:00:05]

** gbee shoots himself in the foot **

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D-side:

okay, seriously. someone give me a hand here. why the hell is mythtv running, but no tcp/udp ports are open

[19:00:27]

D-side:

what could i POSSIBLY have fucked up?

[19:00:54]

gbee:

awilkins: I should know the answer to that question and it's embarrassing to admit that I don't

[19:01:33]

gbee:

plenty of changes have occured to support UTF-8 but exactly what the current state is ...

[19:01:33]

Led-Hed:

D-side: fuck ups are always possible. =)

[19:01:34]

awilkins:

German ȨmigrȨ Douglas Sirk, for example

[19:01:49]

Led-Hed:

D-side: Myth backend or frontend?

[19:01:56]

D-side:

backend

[19:02:11]

awilkins:

animȨ as well

[19:02:21]

Led-Hed:

D-side: iptables?

[19:02:43]

gbee:

awilkins: EIT or xmltv?

[19:03:28]

D-side:

no, i suspect i somehow utterly fucked it. afk.

[19:03:31]

ille:

D-side: IIRC I had a problem running with the backend IP as "localhost"

[19:03:41]

awilkins:

XMLTV primarily

[19:04:14]

awilkins:

I'm about to try changing the charset in MySQL from latin1/swedish to UTF-8, wish me luck

[19:04:27]

janneg:

awilkins: mythtv should have full utf-8 support

[19:04:58]

janneg:

awilkins: don't do that it'll cause trouble

[19:06:06]

** awilkins is glad he backed up before he struck the f5 key **

[19:06:22]

janneg:

we use latin1 in the database as transparent 8bit storage since utf-8 in mysql sucks

[19:06:59]

gbee:

I'll look into it – the more changes I make in mythfilldatabase, the more I think it would be better to refactor or even re-write the whole thing

[19:07:30]

gbee:

I've a patch with some utf-8 fixups, but they only concern log entries

[19:08:16]

D-side:

having datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com be down right now isn't helping

[19:08:23]

awilkins:

I've never been totally sure about the charset my system is using – it's gentoo and I was in a ricing kinda mood when I set it up and excluded a lot of character set support to save time.

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janneg:

awilkins: the problem is probably gone if you reemerge mysql with USE=latin1 and recompile qt afterwards

[19:12:06]

D-side:

Connecting to datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com|206.18.98.160|:80... failed: Network is unreachable.

[19:12:14]

D-side:

sigh.

[19:12:29]

awilkins:

janneg: :-( That means a major version number upgrade... madre de dios....

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awilkins:

emerge -pv phpmyadmin

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awilkins:

oops, wrong window

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awilkins:

janneg: What if I already have latin1 as a USE flag and rebuilt qt within the last couple of months :-)

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janneg:

awilkins: then it should work correctly

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D-side:

I AM A STUPID BASTARD

[19:17:24]

** awilkins goes to check lots of arcane settings to do with character set. **

[19:20:24]

awilkins:

Yick, it's probably something to do with my glibc locales

[19:20:29]

awilkins:

(maybe)

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franki:

where can i add categories for movies?

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D-side:

here it goes again. wtf

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Hoxzer:

d

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juski:

hm. where can I ask a question & then not be patient enough to wait for an answer?

[19:59:11]

opello:

irc?

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sloncho:

hi. trying to compile 0.20-fixes on suse 10.0 64 bit. the mythtv part compiled ok. now, compiling the mythplugins fails because of missing libGL. I have libGL installed. i have also xord mesa devel package installed (the headers). the problem looks like that it does not pick the right file, because i have ATI's prop. driver as well. any idea how to solve this?

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juski:

sloncho: try a -dev package of libGL

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sloncho:

juski: no such a package. the installed libGL.so files are from xorg mesa and from the prop. ATI

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sloncho:

and I have the devel of mesa

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juski:

sloncho: you need the headers from libGL

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sloncho:

i know ..., but there is no such a package

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juski:

so you're sort of stuck between a rock & a hard place

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fryfrog:

wouldn't it have had to be there to compile mythtv?

[20:06:45]

juski:

probably

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fryfrog:

did you make install mythtv yet?

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fryfrog:

afaik, you might not get the "plugins" to compile until mythtv is installed

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sloncho:

fryfrog: yes

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fryfrog:

can you pastebin the error?

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sloncho:

juski: I just see that in the LIBS variable in the make file for mythgallery the path to the X11/lib64 is not added

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sloncho:

that did the trick

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fryfrog:

any good new shows out?

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fryfrog:

anyone tried out 10 Items or Less?

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juski:

version 1.0 of blootube-wide will be out in a few minutes :)

[20:18:12]

fryfrog:

woot!

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juski:

so will my new windows frontend app – screenshot at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/winmyth.png

[20:19:24]

D-side:

i will use it here.

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D-side:

along with the osdd.

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D-side:

windows frontend app?

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juski:

yeah

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D-side:

er

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D-side:

you wrote that?

[20:20:34]

juski:

bah nobody's taking the bait

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juski:

;)

[20:20:55]

juski:

hope you've all forgotten by 1st April 2007

[20:21:20]

mlehrer:

has anyone else seen this problem when running mythfilldatabase:

[20:21:22]

mlehrer:

Reusing existing connection to datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com:80.

[20:21:24]

mlehrer:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error

[20:21:26]

mlehrer:

10:08:20 ERROR 500: Internal Server Error.

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fryfrog:

ZOMG WINDOWS FE!!!!

[20:21:57]

juski:

mlehrer: seen lots of people report that from time to time

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juski:

so now y'all've seen the screenshot, get to work!

[20:24:21]

mlehrer:

juski: most people claim that it is an expired subscription, but mine is up to date

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fryfrog:

mlehrer: does it *always* do it or just occasionally?

[20:24:44]

mlehrer:

fryfrog: every time

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fryfrog:

could you have gotten your user/pass wrong, or... hummm

[20:24:54]

juski:

mlehrer: check with them. someone here reported that they'd been flagged as out of date by mistake

[20:25:00]

fryfrog:

i mean, it doesn't *look* like an auth error

[20:29:22]

mlehrer:

someone on the mailing list suggested to delete & re-add the lineups on zap2it, and that seems to have helped

[20:29:37]

mlehrer:

now i'm sure my channels in the database are hosed and i'll have to look up the xmlid's again

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mlehrer:

but at least it is closer to working again

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sivik:

ok, i was trying to record something but it recorded a green screen

[20:30:03]

mlehrer:

sivik: what kind of hardware

[20:30:14]

sivik:

hauppauge win go

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awilkins:

I'm very happy that my guide comes from the Radio Times, which I basically pay for in my TV license

[20:31:44]

sivik:

my card runs fine in tvtime, and i can wathc tv from mythtv but its very choppy

[20:32:11]

sivik:

and i set a schedule to tap something, i came home and i had a whole bunch of input/output issues and it recorded a green screen

[20:36:30]

sivik:

?

[20:36:33]

sivik:

anyone?

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sivik:

how do you get mythtv to record something thats on right now?

[20:37:54]

juski:

R TFM

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sivik:

juski: you talking to me?

[20:38:07]

juski:

the R key

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juski:

it's in TFM

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sivik:

ok

[20:38:52]

sivik:

now i can't even get mythfrontend to watch tv

[20:39:00]

sivik:

its just a black screen

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juski:

I can't even see any log output, so who knows what's up?

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jams:

hi all

[20:42:01]

sivik:

now i'm getting an error when i try and run mythbackend

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juski:

hey jams

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jams:

so now that 1.0 is out, blootube can be packaged?

[20:42:46]

juski:

sivik: 'an error'... that's really very descriptive & will enable anybody to help fix your problem in 5 seconds

[20:42:52]

juski:

jams: yeah

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jams:

nice

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juski:

news travels fast :)

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jams:

oh I saw your announcment, just busy doing paid work

[20:43:59]

jams:

actually I was bored to death on a conf call. but still paid for it

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juski:

heh

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juski:

I finish work for the year tomorrow :)

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sivik:

hi all again

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juski:

sivik: 'an error' isn't enough for people to go on. more info is needed to help you

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sivik_:

ok, this is bothering me

[20:44:48]

sivik_:

i know, i'm fixing to pastebin that error

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cesman:

blootube is ready for primetime?

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sivik_:

http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37046/

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sivik_:

thats the error

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juski:

yeah cesman.. more ready than it's ever been :)

[20:45:57]

jams:

sivik- most likely that means mythbackend is already running

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juski:

sivik: is mythbackend already running by any chance?

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sivik_:

http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37047/, thats the full thing

[20:46:07]

sivik_:

i have no clue if it is or not

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juski:

ps -ef |grep mythbackend

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sivik_:

root 4388 1 0 14:35 ? 00:00:02 mythbackend

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sivik_:

sivik 4799 4735 0 14:46 pts/0 00:00:00 grep myth

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sivik_:

looks as if it is

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juski:

yup

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juski:

stop the backend with: sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop

[20:47:21]

juski:

then you can run it manually to try & catch the errors it outputs (if any)

[20:47:25]

sivik_:

Stopping MythTV server: mythbackend No /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed.

[20:47:26]

sivik_:

.

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juski:

wah?

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juski:

are you using official ubuntu packages or someone else's?

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sivik_:

i just killed it by doing sudo kill processnumber

[20:48:23]

sivik_:

the only thing i'm running that isn't offical is enlightenment

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juski:

that could explain why your playback isn't working, actually

[20:48:50]

sivik_:

?

[20:48:53]

sivik_:

does it not work well in e?

[20:49:01]

sivik_:

what about the recording issue?

[20:49:14]

juski:

doesn't work well in any 3d environment yet by all accounts

[20:49:15]

juski:

YMMV

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sivik_:

e isn't 3d

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slowone:

ls

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juski:

isn't it?

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sivik_:

not the one i'm running

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sivik_:

should i go and play in kde and see if that helps?

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juski:

thought it's at least hardware accelerated

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sivik_:

ok

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kormoc:

juski, seems to work fine with AIGLX for myself

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kormoc:

and I'm hardware accelerating that

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sivik_:

2006-12–14 14:49:43.078 NVR: Only read -1 bytes of 4096 bytes from '/dev/dsp

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sivik_:

read audio: Input/output error

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sivik_:

thats what i get when i try and record

[20:51:02]

sivik_:

well, i just got that trying to watch live tv with mythtv

[20:51:09]

sivik_:

i don't have a problem watching tv with tvtime

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juski:

kormoc: cool :) only ever heard about problems with myth crashing X with wobbly windows

[20:51:25]

kormoc:

sivik, check your permissions on /dev/dsp

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jams:

mythtv works fine in enlighenment .16 doin't know about .17

[20:51:43]

kormoc:

juski, heh, I'm not enabling benyl or anything, just enabled it in the X server

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Dibblah:

sivik_: Also check /dev/dsp emulation is enabled.

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kormoc:

juski, so it's not actually attempting to make it wobbly :P

[20:52:04]

sivik_:

Dibblah, how do i tell if /dev/dsp emulation is turned on

[20:52:19]

juski:

anyone happen to know if mythtv supports jpeg2000 for theme images?

[20:52:22]

Dibblah:

Should be default. It's a kernel option, not myth.

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sivik_:

crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2006-12–14 14:28 dsp

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sivik_:

crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 19 2006-12–14 14:28 dsp1

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sivik_:

Dibblah, how do i check

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juski:

sivik: is the mythtv user in the audio group?

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** cesman thinks blootube may push R5E36 over 500 megs... **

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kormoc:

sivik, is the mythtv user in the audio group?

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** kormoc laughs **

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sivik_:

juski, i have no clue if i am or not

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juski:

the 'no clue' part is a clue ;)

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kormoc:

sivik, ps aux | grep mythbackend | grep -v grep

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sivik_:

no output

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juski:

open up the user manager to find out what all your users' perms & group memberships are

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kormoc:

sivik, so the backend isn't running?

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cesman:

grep mythtv /etc/group

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sivik_:

i just turned on mythbackend

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juski:

cesman: I told you it was big. I'm looking at ways I can reduce the size of it without affecting the image quality

[20:54:45]

kormoc:

cesman, sadly, some distros run the backend as mythtv, others as root, and I've seen some people in here running is as user mythbackend or mythbe

[20:55:23]

sivik_:

root 4869 4541 0 14:54 tty1 00:00:00 mythbackend

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sivik_:

sivik 4910 4886 0 14:55 pts/1 00:00:00 grep mythbackend

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kormoc:

kk, so it's running as root

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sivik_:

what is the user manager for e, i don't do user stuff from gui

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kormoc:

so those permissions should be fine

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sivik_:

mythbackend is, but grep mythbackend isn't

[20:55:57]

sivik_:

root 4869 4541 0 14:54 tty1 00:00:00 mythbackend

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kormoc:

yeah

[20:56:03]

sivik_:

is that problem

[20:56:07]

kormoc:

no, that's not a problem

[20:56:14]

sivik_:

its running as root

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cesman:

kormoc: what is sad about running it as mythtv?

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sivik_:

root 4869 4541 0 14:54 tty1 00:00:00 mythbackend

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Dibblah:

sivik_: Can you try dd if=/dev/dsp of=/dev/null

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kormoc:

cesman, it's sad cause it's not always mythtv or root, it can be any user

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Dibblah:

Stop it and see if you have anything.

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sivik_:

dd: reading `/dev/dsp': Input/output error

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sivik_:

0+0 records in

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sivik_:

0+0 records out

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sivik_:

0 bytes (0 B) copied, 10.0011 seconds, 0.0 kB/s

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Dibblah:

You probably only have ALSA compiled in.

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sivik_:

ok, what do i need to try to fix it

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Dibblah:

Are you using a precompiled kernel?

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kormoc:

shouldn't get a /dev/dsp created with just alsa (unless it's statically created, but most distros don't do that)

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sivik_:

yes, the one that came with 6.10

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sivik_:

Linux version 2.6.17‐10‐386 (root@vernadsky) (gcc version 4.1.2

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sivik_:

20060928 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.1‐13ubuntu5)) #2 Fri Oct 13

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sivik_:

18:41:40 UTC 2006 (Ubuntu 2.6.17‐10.33‐386)

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kormoc:

ubuntu has alsa emulation by default

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sivik_:

Dibblah, what else do i need to do?

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Dibblah:

OSS emulation, you mean?

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cesman:

now that the download is complete...

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** cesman add blootuibe to KnoppMyth **

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kormoc:

Dibblah, yeah, alsa oss emulation :P

[21:00:31]

Dibblah:

sivik_: cat /dev/sndstat

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sivik_:

Dibblah, what else do i need to try? should i not be running e to get this all to to work

[21:00:35]

Dibblah:

Pastebin it.

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Dibblah:

You don't need Enlightenment.

[21:00:57]

Dibblah:

Well, maybe you do. But not the window manager.

[21:00:58]

kormoc:

but e doesn't hurt

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kormoc:

you have ESD running?

[21:01:19]

kormoc:

it might be setting the card up in a funky state

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Dibblah:

It may also still be running and grabbing /dev/dsp...

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Dibblah:

fuser /dev/dsp

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sivik_:

http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37048/

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sivik_:

what is ESD?

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kormoc:

Elightenment Sound Daemon

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Dibblah:

Does sivik_ need alsa-oss (package) installed?

[21:03:22]

kormoc:

Installed drivers: Type 10: ALSA emulation

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kormoc:

that should be enough

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sivik_:

sivik_ & sivik are the some person

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sivik_:

thats me on in tty1 and the other in gui

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Dibblah:

Sure. I guessed.

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sivik_:

i can installed alsa-oss

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sivik_:

if i need to

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Dibblah:

sivik_: Does anything show with fuser /dev/dsp

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sivik_:

no

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Dibblah:

Oh dear.

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Dibblah:

I'm out of clues, then :(

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sivik_:

lol

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sivik_:

thats not good

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sivik_:

do i need to be able to run mythbackend as a normal user and not root?

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kormoc:

backend traditionally runs as root, as it's a startup daemon

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kormoc:

it sometimes run's as it's own user, but there's no problem running it as root

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sivik_:

i'm not sure if backend works when the computer starts

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sivik_:

what about running dsp as root instead of the user

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kormoc:

you don't run the dsp

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kormoc:

it's owned by root:audio

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kormoc:

the backend is running as root, so the backend has access to the device

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sivik_:

ok, how do i tell if my user is a member of the group audio

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sivik_:

ok, then why am i getting that input/output issue

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sivik_:

let me move to kde and see what happens

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kormoc:

it could be that your card isn't supported very well

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sivik:

what, audio or capture?

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kormoc:

audio

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sivik:

grand

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Dibblah:

You're not trying to use the video card audio capture, are you?

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sivik:

i have no bloody clue

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Dibblah:

(probably /dev/dsp1 on your setup)

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sivik:

how do i bloody tell

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SuperSmurf:

It's me again!

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Dibblah:

If you haven't changed it, it'll probably be correct.

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sivik_:

would that appear in my mythtv-setup?

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Dibblah:

Yeah.

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Dibblah:

Probably on capture card setup, but I can't be sure of that, since I'm all digital.

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sivik_:

lol

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sivik_:

audio device: /dev/dsp

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Dibblah:

sivik_: http://de.mythtvtalk.com/forum/archive.php/o_ . . . ein-ton.html

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sivik_:

ok, now mythtv is telling me that the backend isn't running

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sivik_:

oh, its not now

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Dibblah:

Try cheating and using Alsa for your frontend.

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Dibblah:

ie in the setup menu on your frontend, type ALSA:default instead of /dev/dsp

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sivik_:

ok

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sivik_:

i will try that

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Dibblah:

Maybe the sound card doesn't do concurrent opens? That'd be odd.

[21:15:52]

Dibblah:

Otherwise, you're going to need a live chicken, a sharp knife and a stone altar.

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sivik_:

i can't normally listen to audio with two different devices at once

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[Jasper]:

hello people

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[Jasper]:

can anyone tell me how to change the channel using telnet?

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sivik_:

Dibblah, it won't let me choose ALSA: default as the audio device

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sivik_:

(none), /dev/dsp/, and /dev/dsp1

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sivik_:

sorry, i have to do it in frontend and not setup

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sivik_:

is there another problem out there that runs in linux that will allow me to do recordings?

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cesman:

[Jasper]: might I suggest you look at the mythtv virtual web controller?

[21:25:44]

cesman:

http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/?p=29

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cesman:

sivik_: freevo

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cesman:

sivik_: you are building a dedicated box?

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sivik_:

a dedicated box for what?

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cesman:

PVR

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sivik_:

no

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sivik_:

i just want to be able to do it when i need to tape something

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cesman:

which distro are you using?

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sivik_:

ubuntu

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cesman:

the ubuntu guide is of no help?

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sivik_:

for mythtv?

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cesman:

yes

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sivik_:

thats what i used to install and i'm having issues

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sivik_:

i can watch tv with tvtime, but mythtv always is stupid

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cesman:

I beg to differ

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sivik_:

at least on my end when i'm trying to record something

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LabMonkey:

ok this is turning into a bad day really fast

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LabMonkey:

I mount a samba share on /share/Movies/dvd for my videos

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LabMonkey:

for some weird-ass reason the mythbox has been freaking out about that mount

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LabMonkey:

so I (stupidly) just killed the mount.smbfs pid

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LabMonkey:

now the box thinks it's still mounted

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LabMonkey:

and won't let me unmount it because it's in use

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kormoc:

you can do the lazy unmount and remount and it might work

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LabMonkey:

what?

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LabMonkey:

Could not umount /share/Movies/dvd: Device or resource busy

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kormoc:

umount -l /share/Movies/dvd

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LabMonkey:

ooh

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kormoc:

"-l Lazy unmount. Detach the filesystem from the filesystem hierarchy now, and cleanup all references to the filesystem as soon as it is not busy anymore. (Requires kernel 2.4.11 or later.)"

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LabMonkey:

hot!

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LabMonkey:

I lvoe you

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LabMonkey:

love too

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kormoc:

there is also -f "Force unmount (in case of an unreachable NFS system). (Requires kernel 2.1.116 or later.)"

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LabMonkey:

hmm

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LabMonkey:

now to find out why it doesn't want to talk samba anymore

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LabMonkey:

a few weeks ago it just abruptly stopped talking to the server as if the cable was out or something

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LabMonkey:

but shortly thereafter it corrected itself

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LabMonkey:

it did this one more time a couple of weeks ago

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LabMonkey:

then today it did the same thing except it's not self-correcting again

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LabMonkey:

so I'm thinking samba bug

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juski:

time to watch some mythtv before bedtime

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nasa:

Can anybody help me with mythbackend crashing? The only hint I am getting is "HandleRemoteEncoder (cmd GET_STATE) unknown encoder: 4 exiting

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voidmage:

Does the PVR-500 have as many issues as newegg says or is it still a good card?

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Zider:

what issues?

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voidmage:

Something involving crappy tuners

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opello:

phillips or samsung tuners, i don't remember which was first, but the change apparently was bad?

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voidmage:

yeah, it's the samsung ones

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voidmage:

do they still use the samsung?

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opello:

not sure, mine came with phillips (just checked logs)

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opello:

i ordered mine a long time ago though

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voidmage:

ah

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opello:

gotta run for now, back in a few hours, but i don't know what else i could say on it :)

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voidmage:

trying to figure this out before i go and buy one

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kRutOn:

Hello.

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kRutOn:

Anyone ever had a problem where mythfrontend displays the preview video for the recording you have selected, but it says it can't find the file when you try to play it?

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Dirky:

wow, busy channel guys

[23:04:05]

Dirky:

I've been searching to see if it is possible to delete a group of recordings in myth, couldnt find anything though?

[23:04:21]

Dirky:

I have a load of zero byte recordings I would like to remove

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Dirky:

short of going to each one and hitting D is there a quicker way?

[23:05:16]

gbee:

you can add them to a playlist then delete the playlist ... it's a _little_ faster assuming you've got the playlist key bound

[23:05:41]

md10md:

Is there any reason why I should go with a software raid setup over a hardware raid setup (Raid 1) with my two sata drives?

[23:05:44]

Dirky:

oh I see, thanks for that one

[23:06:26]

Dirky:

md10md: that one was discussed in great depth on the myth mailing list recently I think

[23:07:19]

md10md:

All right, you wouldn't happen to have a link to the relevent thread would you?

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Dirky:

[mythtv-users] OT Hardware RAID 5 Recommendations was the subject line

[23:08:29]

Dirky:

I only have it in google mail, but the thread contains 31 posts!

[23:08:53]

gbee:

huh, never use playlists so I've only just discovered that there isn't an "add to playlist" key binding

[23:09:12]

Dirky:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2006 . . . /160913.html

[23:09:16]

Dirky:

there you go

[23:09:17]

md10md:

K, I see that one. Thanks

[23:09:24]

md10md:

O, haha just found it as you posted that.

[23:09:28]

Dirky:

:)

[23:09:29]

gbee:

seems like an oversight really, if I wanted to use playlists then I'd definately want such a binding

[23:09:31]

Dirky:

happy to help

[23:09:48]

Dirky:

so playlists can be used for TV recordings, not just music?

[23:10:01]

nasa:

What's the website to download american tv schedules?

[23:10:35]

gbee:

yep, the context menu for recordings has an 'add to playlist' option

[23:11:12]

Dirky:

hmm, I've got 75 zero byte recordings I want to get rid of

[23:11:27]

Dirky:

and I have a problem moving through the recorded shows, its rather slow

[23:11:37]

gbee:

then the recording list menu 'M' has a playlist options section where you can make bulk changes to every recording in the list

[23:12:24]

Dirky:

ahh I see it, "add this group to playlist"

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nasa:

nm

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Dirky:

hmm, I cant see where I now delete the playlist?

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gbee:

'm' ->'Playlist Options' -> 'Delete'

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Dirky:

I'm not sure where I should use the m key? from which menu?

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gbee:

on the 'watch recordings' screen?

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Dirky:

media library -> Watch Recordings

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gbee:

although to be fair I've renamed so many screens that I've not a clue if that's the correct name ;)

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gbee:

yep

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Dirky:

when I press the M key there i see

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Dirky:

Recording list menu: change group filter, change group view, add this group to playlist

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gbee:

also works from the delete recordings screen

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gbee:

once you've got something in the playlist that last option changes to 'playlist options'

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Dirky:

aha!

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Dirky:

thanks

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Dirky:

I added them to a playlist and then came out of that menu

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Dirky:

which oddly seemed to get rid of the playlist

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Dirky:

mike@myth1:~$ ls -l /var/lib/mythtv |wc -l

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Dirky:

131

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Dirky:

mike@myth1:~$ ls -l /var/lib/mythtv |wc -l

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Dirky:

130

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Dirky:

mike@myth1:~$ ls -l /var/lib/mythtv |wc -l

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Dirky:

129

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Dirky:

mike@myth1:~$ ls -l /var/lib/mythtv |wc -l

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Dirky:

128

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Dirky:

thats doing the trick now!

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gbee:

yeah, the playlist isn't stored – it only exists as long as you're in that screen

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Dirky:

I've got slow delete set on

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gbee:

again, if I actually used playlists I would consider the ability to construct more permanent playlists – but I don't ...

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Dirky:

understood

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Dirky:

I'm not sure this will fix my problem where by moving through recordings is very slow, about 3 seconds between recordings moving up and down

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Dirky:

somebody suggested it could be zero byte files screwing it up

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gbee:

Dirky: that's odd, it's instant here – what version are you running?

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Dirky:

0.20

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Dirky:

yes most people who replied to my post on the list said there's is also instant

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gbee:

there was a change which should make things faster, but I can't remember if it went in before or after 0.20

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gbee:

are you using preview videos?

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Dirky:

I've tried it with previews, without, with and without thumbnails too

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Dirky:

all seem the same speed

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gbee:

if you don't mind compiling from source then SVN head is pretty stable right now and might be worth a try

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Dirky:

yes I could give that a try I guess. I was contemplating moving from packages to source.

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Dirky:

it seems I cant get the contrib stuff from packages, I needed the mythudprelay for something

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gbee:

if that doesn't work then I think it might be worth trying the -dev list, if there is a bug it would be good to track it down

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kali67:

Hello , I see the following error in mythbackend log " MPEGRec(/dev/video1) Error: Error getting codec params using old IVTV ioctl" – Any suggestions on how to fix this ?

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Dirky:

ok thanks for your help gbee

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kali67:

I did a Google search but could not come up with any answers

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md10md:

Have any of you heard when knoppmyth might be releasing a new version? I will probably hold out on installing my new components if it's going to be outdated in a few days.

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gbee:

ask cesman

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GreyFoxx:

md10md: Try #Knoppmyth

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md10md:

Alright thanks

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GreyFoxx:

they would likely have a better idea

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gbee:

but cesman, when he wakes up, would give a definitive answer

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md10md:

You think? I'd be afraid that he'd do a, "when it's done"

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gbee:

oh he will ;)

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md10md:

You just want me to get yelled at, don't you...

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md10md:

haha

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gbee:

but as no-one can read his mind, they can't give a better answer :p

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Cybertoy:

anyone use MCE remote with MythTV?

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informavore:

loading firmware on pchdtv 5500 with 2.6.17 ... anybody know how?

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