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LLLyric:

How can I tell what effect transcoding is having? The files (in the storage dir) are still huge and not discernably different

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xris:

LLLyric: are they the same size, and do the backend logs say that things happened?

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LLLyric:

I can't see anything interesting in the backend logs, but the UI says there's a few jobs queued for transcoding...

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xris:

LLLyric: you probably want to look at the transcode profile settings in the frontend, too

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LLLyric:

It's default/default afaik

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LLLyric:

What's that actually do?

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xris:

LLLyric: what does what do?

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LLLyric:

What does the default transcode profile do? (mpeg to mpeg? what bitrate etc?)

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LLLyric:

I guess mpeg2 -> xvid or something would be more space-efficient

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xris:

LLLyric: it does whatever you tell it to do

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xris:

and space efficiency has entirely to do with bitrate

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siXy:

LLLyric, mpeg4 is what i use.

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LLLyric:

When I used nuvexport, the recordings all came out crappy quality, and still really huge ... :/

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siXy:

xris, has flac been removed from myths cd ripper in 0.20?

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xris:

siXy: no clue

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xris:

LLLyric: you need to learn about bitrate, etc.

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LLLyric:

I know what they are, I was just expecting better quality for the size.

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LLLyric:

Some (ahem) downloads are 700MB versions of dvd rips, and really good quality.

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LLLyric:

Shouldn't we be able to do the same?

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xris:

LLLyric: depends. are you recording from a dvd-quality digital source?

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LLLyric:

xris: not exactly, but it's 720p or 1080i broadcast, with bitrates >10mbit, from what I remember.

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LLLyric:

It looks great when playing the native recordings

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xris:

LLLyric: that's at least dvd quality source.. just a matter of tweaking your settings, I think.

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LLLyric:

Sure, that's what I was trying to figure out :) I'm reading http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nuvexport now

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rukuartic:

I've got a problem here... I'm running mythbackend, but when I nmap localhost it shows up as "closed".

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LLLyric:

Figure the codec discussion etc is equally relavent to transcoding

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xris:

LLLyric: ffmpeg's xvid encoder isn't the greatest, either. no filters to keep things nice (at least, not that I can find)

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LLLyric:

What would be a good, non patent encumbered, alternative?

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xris:

LLLyric: mythtranscode is different. it's still tuned for recording realtime instead of getting highest quality

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xris:

LLLyric: no clue. I've switched to h.264, myself.

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LLLyric:

I thought mythtranscode was post-processing?

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xris:

LLLyric: it is. but the encoder is the same as is used for recording mpeg4 from a framegrabber card.

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** LLLyric attempts to convert a recording for his ipod. Hmmmm, doesn't sem to be working. **

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rukuartic:

What do you guys do to automount things on your system?

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kormoc:

depends on what you mean by automount

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rukuartic:

kormoc: I drop in a CD, it mounts to /media/cdrom

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kormoc:

usually automountd

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kormoc:

tho, dbus can handle that with a bit of magic done in the window manager as well I beleive

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rukuartic:

Windowmanager? Hehe... All I've got is ratpoison.

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kormoc:

heh, then automountd is your best bet

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rukuartic:

Hurr.

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rukuartic:

When I go to import an Audio CD, MythTV hangs. D:

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GreyFoxx:

it has it's own internal player

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rukuartic:

GreyFoxx: Whats the name of the plugin?

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kormoc:

rukuartic, it's myth's own internal player...

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rukuartic:

D'oh.

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rukuartic:

kormoc: still no mp3 playback in myth. D:

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Igg-man:

If I can get HD working in mplayer, it should work in mythtv also, right?

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kormoc:

Igg-man, perhaps, myth has a little more overhead then mplayer does

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Igg-man:

that could be. It almost seems like it's not playing at the right frame rate sometimes

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Igg-man:

The CPU is somewhat idle (like 40% I think)

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rukuartic:

O_o; "somewhat"?

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Igg-man:

well, 40% idle

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rukuartic:

><! How would I go about changing it from trying to open /dev/dvd to /dev/hda ?

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Zider:

how about a symlink from /dev/dvd to /dev/hda ? :)

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rukuartic:

Zider: I've got that, but its owned by root:root and I can't change it to root:cdrom

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rukuartic:

AKA: Playing dvd's works fine as root, but not as mythtv

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rukuartic:

As well as CD's.

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Sembiance:

I meant this channel :)

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Sembiance:

So if I had two boxes, each with mythbackend, 'one' of them would be master?

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GreyFoxx:

Yes

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GreyFoxx:

one master and the other a slave

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hatredx:

multiple backends are good =p

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Sembiance:

Is it important they be connected through crossover or is it okay for them to go through a standard 100mbit netgear switch

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GreyFoxx:

100mbit is more than enough

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Sembiance:

MythTV supports the pcHDTV 5500 cards right?

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GreyFoxx:

I believe so, many pchdtv users

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GreyFoxx:

though I can't speak to the specific 5500 model

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cesman:

depending on your kernel, Linux supports the card and MythTV will happily utilize it

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Sembiance:

So you see no problems with: Box 1: 3 pcHDTV 5500 Cards, 1 PVR 250 Card Box 2: 2 pcHDTV 5500 Cards, 2 PVR 250 Cards

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GreyFoxx:

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seth|laptop:

heh, and the hard drive space ;-)

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Sembiance:

I measured the disk IO from one pcHDTV 5500 card and it was only 2.314Mbps

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Sembiance:

So 3 should be just fine on PCI 2.2 (133 Mbps)

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Sembiance:

errr that's 266MB/sec heh

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Sembiance:

My original plan was to build one big box, 4 or 5 400GB SATA drives RAID 5'ed

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Sembiance:

but I can only have 4 pcHDTV cards in a box at once (I need 5 to cover my viewing habits) and I need two or three of my PVR 250's in there too

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Sembiance:

but I haven't seen many motherboards with like 7 or 8 PCI slots rofl

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Sembiance:

So I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to have two systems now

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Sembiance:

ugh this is going to be expensive heh

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Sembiance:

Thank you all for your help :)

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Sembiance:

Now I have to go figure out what hardware to buy

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rukuartic:

Can anyone point me towards a tutorial or resources on fixing audio problems? Still can't play ogg/mp3...

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YellowSnow:

Can someone answer a question about my video?

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seth|laptop:

can anyone make something of this

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seth|laptop:

mythcenter kernel: ivtv0 warning: ENC: (0) DMA Error 0x0000000b

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rukuartic:

seth|laptop: DMA = direct memory access...

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seth|laptop:

is it a driver issue? it has happened twice today, missed 2 recordings

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Krazylegz:

seth|laptop: boot.

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seth|laptop:

Krazylegz: boot.

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Krazylegz:

seth|laptop: You on Gentoo with a PVR?

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Krazylegz:

Er, PVR-xxx?

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afm:

anyone have a usb controller for xmame recomendation

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seth|laptop:

Krazylegz: no, this is my knoppmyth box, never had the problem before

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Krazylegz:

I was wondering more because I'm having a problem. :-)

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YellowSnow:

can someone tell me how to edit my config to do S-Video and VGA?

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xris:

YellowSnow: you'll have to be a little more specific

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YellowSnow:

sorry.. im new to linux.. im talking about the nvidia config 84 or w/e that file is.. is there a way to set s-vidio AND vga out at the same time?

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xris:

YellowSnow: yeah. dual head. sort of depends on your card and specific setup how you should do it, though.

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xris:

my best recommendation would be to wait for kormoc to show back up, but since he's without an internet connection at home (he just moved), that wouldn't work so well for you.

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xris:

put the contents of your xorg.conf file into a pastebin, and include that with your question every few hours until you get some sort of a reply...

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YellowSnow:

bummer.. well hm.. the reason is i have dual widescreen monitors.. and since i use dual DVI i want to hook up the VGA to my 2nd monitor so i can watch tv with one sometimes

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tracy_:

any1 here with a HD tuner that is tuned to cable with QAM 256. could u give me comp specs and load while recording

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YellowSnow:

um i could send u my ip so u can connect directly to my box.. or maybe send my 84config? but its the normal config

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tracy_:

while recording with a p4 2.4 and 768meg memory, i jump to load 4 and it is a little jerky

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Krazylegz:

I've had this issue before: I can't figure out what I need to enable to have the option for Device Drivers' ---> 'Multimedia devices' ---> 'Video Capture Adapters' ---> 'Encoders and Decoders .

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xris:

YellowSnow: tripple head might still work

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YellowSnow:

i have no idea what that is

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LLLyric:

http://drupal.org/node/102275

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LLLyric:

Add support for (optionally) making the changes to the template files at the end of the theme wizard

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LLLyric:

dang

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LLLyric:

wrong channel :)

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Sembiance:

Am I the only one who swears by ASUS motherboards?

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YellowSnow:

<3 abit .. 1.8 core 2 OC'ed to 2.8

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Krazylegz:

Ah, figured it out.

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Krazylegz:

Needed bttv and bt878.

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YellowSnow:

can someone vnc to my box to set up dual video (s-video and vga)? or tell me how to?

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YellowSnow:

=(

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YellowSnow:

Can someone VNC to my box and set up (VGA AND S-Video)? Or tell me how?

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CyberKnet:

Well... it was bound to happen sooner or later.

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CyberKnet:

I think my AirBoard died :|

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CyberKnet:

LiteOn AirBoard, that is.

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CyberKnet:

anyone use the BTC 9019 keyboard?

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CyberKnet:

it looks kind of ... odd.

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CyberKnet:

handles on each side.

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Yellow-Snow:

ARG

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Yellow-Snow:

can someone look at my X86Config-4 file and tell me why clone view is not working?

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Yellow-Snow:

SCORE! Linux need yellow got it working!

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Yellow-Snow:

newb*

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Yellow-Snow:

<-- so happy

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kavorka^:

hi, just using mytharhive for the first time to convert 3 42 minute divx files (each 350mb in size) to dvd....however the resulting dvd is only 600mb in size and thus the quality is extremely poor. what am i doing wrong?

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kavorka^:

ive tried with both hq and sp profiles....hq is slightly better but the final size is still too small and poor quality

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metalac:

anyone using a chrome chipset for HDTV viewing?

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metalac:

i'd like to see what's better to get an NVIDIA or S3?

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metalac:

i got 6200 now and I'm having all sorts of issues with getting xvmc to work, plus I loose the pretty menu

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lurch:

ok, lame i am sure, but how do i start mythtv?

[05:06:08]

Sembiance:

I plan on having 4 HDTV tuner cards writing video to disk at once. That will fill up space quickly. They will be SATA 3.0GB/sec drives. At first I thought I would RAID 5 them using software raid, but I think that will slow things down way too much

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Sembiance:

Pretty sure It'll just have to be a raw drive attached and write straight to disk

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Sembiance:

Problem is, last I checked MythTVBackend wrote everything to one directory, or *one disk*. Is this still true? If so, is there any technology out there in Linux where I can have two drives be at one mount point?

[05:07:33]

metalac:

what kind of transfer is required per HD stream?

[05:07:49]

Sembiance:

I did a sample capture and recorded with pipeworks 2.3MB/sec

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Anduin:

Sembiance: storage groups just went in to svn

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metalac:

Sembiance: you sure about that? i was under the impression is more like 10 times that

[05:10:03]

Sembiance:

metalac: That's just what my test revealed. Maybe it is more?

[05:10:23]

Sembiance:

pcHDTV 5500 using getatsc, recorded 100MB in 42 seconds

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Sembiance:

I cat'ed it through pipeworks and it seemed pretty steady of 2.314/sec

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metalac:

oh i'm just saying cuz i think my cable company said that it's around 20mb/s coming from their end

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Sembiance:

well I'll have 3 of them running at once

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metalac:

well you shouldn't have any problems if it's 2.3

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Sembiance:

PCI 2.2 is supposed to be rated at 266MB/sec. I've seen SATA benchmarks that write at 100+MB/sec and even if it was 20mb/sec for the HDTV card then that's only 60MB/sec

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metalac:

you will if it's 20

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metalac:

well i'd be careful with those benchmarks

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Sembiance:

well I'll have two boxes anyways (need all the PCI slots I can get). I have 4 HDTV cards and 2 PVR 250 cards, maybe I'll split them up 3/1 3/1

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Sembiance:

err 2/1 2/1

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sandeen:

what kind of quality should I expect w/ a pvr-150... I see a lot of mpeg-y noise....

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Sembiance:

Anduin: thanks for the tip anduin

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metalac:

if you look at storage review fastest raptor does 60–88 mb/s

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metalac:

sandeen: do you have your resolution bumped up?

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metalac:

sandeen: i mean capture rate for pvr-150

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sandeen:

not sure how I do that, just got the card today :)

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sandeen:

so probably not :)

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metalac:

sandeen: it's somewhere in setup

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metalac:

let me get to mythtv and i'll tell you exactly

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sandeen:

Sembiance, you can also use lvm too, to aggregate storage...

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sandeen:

metalac, thanks... myst be in mythtvsetup...

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** sandeen looks too **

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metalac:

sandeen: no it's somewhere in the main Ui ( frontend setup)

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Sembiance:

metalac: I just looked for, and found people online who are running 3 and 4 HDTV 5500 cards in a single box. One was even recording 4 shows at once and watching a recording with no problems

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Sembiance:

metalac: So I'm not worried :)

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sandeen:

metalac, hrm, isn't it a function of how the card captures...

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Sembiance:

sandeen: awesome, thanks :)

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metalac:

sandeen: so it's in Setup>Recording profiles>Pvr-150>default

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Sembiance:

EVMS :)

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metalac:

and there you should bump it up

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metalac:

make it 640x480 and maybe bump up the bit rate and let me know if that helps

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sandeen:

metalac, intereseting. I really thought that would be a backend function...

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** sandeen looks **

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sandeen:

metalac, this is from the frontend?

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metalac:

sandeen: yes

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sandeen:

on 0.20?

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metalac:

yep

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sandeen:

oh there

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sandeen:

sorry :)

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metalac:

mine was set to 320x240 when i just got it and it looked HORRIBLE

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metalac:

especially on a 42" TV :)

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sandeen:

hmm mine is 480x480 now...

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metalac:

sandeen: set it to 640x480

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metalac:

it's not supposed to be 1:1 anyways

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sandeen:

hmm what's mpeg-2 PS vs. TS?

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metalac:

no clue

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metalac:

i have mine on PS

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sandeen:

what kind of bitrate did you set out of curiosity?

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metalac:

7000 and 8000

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metalac:

might be an overkill :)

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metalac:

but i don't see any issues with it

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sandeen:

just space

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metalac:

basically

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metalac:

but it's SD

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metalac:

and on a 300gb drive it's forever :)

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sandeen:

yeah

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sandeen:

urgh

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sandeen:

and now I'm back to my box not keeping up

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sandeen:

something must be wrong with ... something

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metalac:

what do you mean not keeping up?

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sandeen:

xorg+myth at 85% of cpu for... sdtv?

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metalac:

woah

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metalac:

what cpu?

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sandeen:

2.6Ghz P4

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sandeen:

*grumble*

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metalac:

you don't have XVMC enabled do you?

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sandeen:

well now it's at least not dropping frames, did for the first few seconds

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sandeen:

not now, no, no xvmc

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metalac:

then play with those other settings in TV Settings>Playback

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metalac:

like OpenGL and what not

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sandeen:

(BTW TS/PS is transport stream / program stream)

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metalac:

i had similar issues with X and myth using 50–60% and now i'm down to 10%

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sandeen:

whoa.

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sandeen:

how?! :)

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sandeen:

with xvmc or no?

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metalac:

messing with those settings

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metalac:

i think i disabled OpenGL thing and it worked

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metalac:

hold on let me see

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** sandeen wishes this were more methodical **

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sandeen:

hmm

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sandeen:

thank you sir :)

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metalac:

you know you're interupting my tv watching ;)

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sandeen:

you don't have a dual-head myth system? :)

[05:30:48]

sandeen:

or is that your irc watching?

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metalac:

ahahahaah

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metalac:

no mine is a single head

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metalac:

for now at least :)

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** sandeen is still wondering why recording options are set from the frontend **

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metalac:

ok so when you go to Setup>TV Settings>Playback i'm using libmpeg2, but standard mpeg should be ok too

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sandeen:

hmm some of this noise might be signal strength or something, this channel still looks bad

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GreyFoxx:

sandeen_: Why not ?

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sandeen:

yeah I havve standard

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sandeen:

GreyFoxx, I thought the backend did the recording? ohhhh but the frontend schedules it and sets the parameters... duh.

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metalac:

and i have only 2 boxes checked "enable real time priority" and "extra audio buffering"

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GreyFoxx:

exactly

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sandeen:

GreyFoxx, so if 3 frontends schedule the same show....?

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GreyFoxx:

it wont happen

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GreyFoxx:

there is a single shared database :)

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metalac:

yeah it records just once, one copy

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metalac:

and then they share it

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sandeen:

ok I was not thinking straight. backend config is the nuts and bolts, recording options from the frontend...

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** sandeen tries it w/ opengl sync off **

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sandeen:

ooh a little better :)

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sandeen:

down to 64%

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metalac:

hehehe

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** sandeen wonders what this all really -does- and wonders if some of his buddies at sgi have any ideas :) **

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metalac:

how much cpu does X use and how much myth?

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metalac:

you should have X=2–3% and myth the rest

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metalac:

if X=40%+ then you're talking X issues

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sandeen:

85 myth, 10 xoxrg

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sandeen:

errr

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sandeen:

sorry that's hdtv playback now

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sandeen:

which is WORKING holy smokes

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metalac:

really?

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metalac:

man i'm strugling with mine

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metalac:

and i got Amd 3400

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sandeen:

well that was not full-frame...

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metalac:

oh

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** sandeen tries a game **

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sandeen:

ok that's bogging down still :(

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sandeen:

53% myth 45% x or so

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metalac:

yeah so x is having issues

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sandeen:

but pretty much keeping up

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metalac:

i spent a lot of time getting X under control

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sandeen:

now x at 25%, myth 65

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metalac:

what video card?

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sandeen:

fx 5200, 128m

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sandeen:

ok now thatit's up & running it's playing fine

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sandeen:

bizarro

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metalac:

might want to upgrade to latest nvidia drivers too

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metalac:

i'm using beta ones

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sandeen:

ugh now I go back to another recorded show and it's choppy as hell

[05:39:52]

sandeen:

the one that worked fine 4 minutes ago

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metalac:

yeah my HD is 95% and SD is 12%

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sandeen:

this is what is bugging me, I didn't change any parameters, yet I go back to the same recorded show and now it's foo

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sandeen:

hmm on pause it's still 45% :)

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metalac:

weird

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metalac:

i just tried HD with xvmc and it stinks much better without xvmc

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metalac:

but both ways unwatchable at least on libmpeg2 audio is ok

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sandeen:

back out to the menu and back to the recording, now it works again :/

[05:42:15]

sandeen:

I had it working pretty well w/ xvmc except the OSD

[05:43:11]

sandeen:

something is foo here

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sandeen:

sometimes it's fine

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sandeen:

others unwatchable

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sandeen:

on the same recorded show

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** Captain_Murdoch thinks it's cool to see Storage Groups schedule recordings onto one filesystem to avoid conflicts with his wife watching a previous recording off of another filesystem. **

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sandeen:

my last best hope is that my new sound card will help :)

[05:44:21]

sandeen:

now 98% and unwatchable. grr!

[05:44:52]

sandeen:

back out to the menu, back to the recordings, 5th time's the charm, now it's fine.

[05:45:02]

metalac:

oh yeah sound card should definitely help ;)

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metalac:

that is bizzare

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sandeen:

well right now I have a usb spdif out thing but it may actually be part of the problem...

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sandeen:

hrmph well this must be a bug right... it's been playing back perfectly for 3–4 minutes now

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metalac:

you can always try and upgrade to SVN

[05:48:27]

metalac:

but nobody will guarantee that there will be no bugs in there as well

[05:48:38]

sandeen:

yeah

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sandeen:

plus even if it's a bug, not necessarily a myth bug

[05:49:10]

sandeen:

I was going to try recompiling x & myth for i686... *shrug* see if I can squeeze anything more out

[05:49:20]

sandeen:

fc6 rpms are mostly all i386

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sandeen:

doh and it just bonked out on me now, skipping mightiliy

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** sandeen defrags the file just for fun **

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sandeen:

metalac, what filesystem are you using btw

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metalac:

JFS

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sandeen:

hmm I have got to try to get better allocation for xfs into myth somehow

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** sandeen waits for xfs_fsr to copy 3.3G **

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metalac:

with HD my X usage is higher than myth. it's 55% vs 45%

[05:52:40]

metalac:

i know if i could figure out why X performs so bad i'd be ok

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sandeen:

but, I don't think this is disk or fs problems, because I had a 300M show that I could cache before playing it, same trouble

[05:53:18]

sandeen:

metalac, and what distro are you using

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metalac:

gentoo

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sandeen:

1521_20061207200000.mpg

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sandeen:

extents before:424 after:2 1521_20061207200000.mpg

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Ryushin:

Does anyone have their myth box going into standby? Does the powersupply go into a sleep mode?

[05:54:29]

sandeen:

heh

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Ryushin:

Oh, just upgraded to the 2.6.19 kernel, they moved the sata options to their own menu. Just in case anyone compiles and tries to figure out why their sata drives aren't booting.

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metalac:

Ryushin: if it goes into a standby the powersupply should shut off

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sandeen:

now back to 50% x and unwatchable. dammit.

[05:56:03]

Ryushin:

metalac: Hopefully that will be the case. I just purchased parts for a new frontend that can do HD, and it's going into the bedroom.

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metalac:

so anybody knows how to improve performance of X? i'm getting some massive cpu usage out of it when running hd

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** sandeen tries a different deinterlacer **

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Ryushin:

What kind of proc are you using?

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metalac:

amd 3400

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metalac:

it should be plenty from what i've seen

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Ryushin: is that 45% on BOTH cpus?

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metalac:

Ryushin: is that 45% on BOTH cpus?

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Ryushin:

metalac: Total usage.

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Ryushin:

25% xorg, 29% mythfrontend.

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Ryushin:

There is a transcoding process going on in the background as well.

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sandeen:

metalac, try kernel deinterlace for fun.... :)

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manuleviking:

Ryushin: with HD content ?

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Ryushin:

1080i, yep.

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mishehu:

xris: btw, I found that I had an old setting for the video player to use an external player, so you were right, I just had to set it to use Internal.

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Ryushin:

PBS HD, some of the best round.

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manuleviking:

Ryushin: what graphic card are you using ?

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metalac:

sandeen: i tried all those before, but i'm not using any deinterlacing anyways

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manuleviking:

(sorry for my bad english )

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metalac:

Ryushin: so it looks like i will HAVE to get a better CPU

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Ryushin:

manuleviking: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121009

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sandeen:

metalac, I was thinking about the same thing, keep my eye out for a cheap athlon64 from dell or something :)

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Ryushin:

metalac: The X2's have worked fantastic for me. Price is really resonable right now.

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metalac:

Ryushin: i'll probably have to go that route

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Ryushin:

I just spec'd out a new frontend, that is about $500, including case, that can play HD.

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manuleviking:

metalac: it's probably your graphic card, not powerful for hd content

[06:07:37]

Ryushin:

I ran the FX5200 just fine for HD as well.

[06:07:41]

metalac:

manuleviking: it's a 6200, plus i'm not doing xvmc, so cpu should handle all

[06:07:45]

sandeen:

i didn't think there was much difference for cards as long as you had something decent

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** sandeen hangs in at 97% :) **

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Ryushin:

I have yet to get XvMC working with HD content since 18.1. I've always had stuttering with HD for myth after 18.1

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Ryushin:

Daniel is still working on the XvMC, but now with dual core's so cheap, I would just tell people to buy them.

[06:09:17]

manuleviking:

i have an x1900xt 512mb, with athlon 64 3500+and i can not watch HD content ! :(

[06:09:19]

sandeen:

not cheap enough for me ;-)

[06:09:34]

metalac:

i know

[06:09:35]

Ryushin:

I'd be happy to pastebin the parts for my new frontend if anyone is curious.

[06:09:43]

manuleviking:

it's too choppy :(

[06:09:48]

metalac:

i found a cheapest dual core to be $130 :)

[06:09:52]

metalac:

but i need a new board too

[06:09:57]

sandeen:

hmm wow that's not bad

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metalac:

that's open box 3800+

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sandeen:

metalac, yeah I'm not even sure my case takes atx boards :) hope so.

[06:10:16]

metalac:

on neweg

[06:10:57]

sandeen:

i wish I could find another socket 939 athlon compaq for $125 like runs sandeen.net :)

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** sandeen is so cheap **

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Ryushin:

This is the motherboard I choose for the new frontend: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131014

[06:11:37]

Ryushin:

Integrated DVI, Nvidia 6200

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manuleviking:

so why i can't watch hd content with an x1900xt 512mb ( and athlon 64 3500+ ). Is this a problem with ati driver ? ( bad performance for example )

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metalac:

well i guess i could get everything for under $250

[06:12:23]

metalac:

oh damn it's using ddr2

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Ryushin:

Here is the proc: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103733

[06:12:28]

metalac:

that's another $50

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Ryushin:

manuleviking: Yea, the ATI's have been having issues. Every myth user that I know that is doing HD is using the nvidia. I wish there was a open source alternative, but their isn't.

[06:13:50]

metalac:

well i'm trying to figure out if S3s chrome cards can do HDTV on linux any better

[06:13:59]

metalac:

there is an opensource driver that seems quite good

[06:14:08]

manuleviking:

ok Ryushin, i am very sad

[06:14:10]

manuleviking:

:(

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** sandeen finds that a 3.0Ghz P4 is $80... too much for a mild step up from 2.6Ghz **

[06:14:53]

metalac:

well apparently dual core intels run for under $100

[06:15:01]

Ryushin:

metalac: Yea, I researched that to death. I'd spend 4 times the amount to get a true open source card that could do XV perfectly. Alas, I haven't found yet. Oh, DVI would be a requirement.

[06:15:15]

sandeen:

probably not for my old socket 478... and if I need a new mobo i'd probably go amd

[06:15:37]

manuleviking:

the performance on linux, of an x1900xt is equivalent geforce 4... it's a shame, ati=mierda

[06:15:51]

manuleviking:

excuse me for my bad english

[06:15:55]

metalac:

cheapest core 2 duo is $180, might not be a bad step-up from amd x2

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Ryushin:

manuleviking: Sorry to break the bad news. But I just haven't seen anyone doing HD with anything other than nvidia, or the unicrome motherboards, that have vga out.

[06:16:18]

manuleviking:

on linux ?

[06:16:30]

Ryushin:

Yea

[06:16:39]

manuleviking:

ok Ryushin

[06:16:45]

Ryushin:

ATI works fine under windows.

[06:16:50]

manuleviking:

yeah

[06:17:04]

manuleviking:

but i use linux, it's a shame for ati

[06:17:05]

manuleviking:

:(

[06:17:28]

manuleviking:

actually Ryushin, you have an 7900 right?

[06:17:35]

manuleviking:

sorry 7300

[06:17:37]

Ryushin:

Yea, considering I like them better than nvidia, and I was not pleased that I had to buy nvidia for my myth box.

[06:17:53]

zmattor:

What version of ivtv should i use for a pvr350

[06:18:18]

metalac:

zmattor: it more depends on what kernel you have

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Ryushin:

Yea, and the heatsink never even gets warm. I needed a pcie card, and there weren't that many to choose from that had passive heat sinks.

[06:18:46]

manuleviking:

all your graphic cards run just fine with linux, for hd content Ryushin?

[06:18:55]

sandeen:

Ryushin, I found lots ....

[06:19:03]

zmattor:

Ryushin: 2.6.17

[06:19:06]

Ryushin:

zmattor: Depends on your kernel. Go to http://www.ivtvdriver.org

[06:20:20]

Ryushin:

Well, I wanted to stay with the fx5200, since that did xvmc with color osd, but after not finding it for pcie, and finding out that fx5200 can't do 1080i, only 720p, I decided on that asus card for $52.00

[06:20:47]

manuleviking:

Ryushin: all your graphic cards run just fine with linux, for hd content right ? and there are all nvidia right ?

[06:20:55]

Ryushin:

manuleviking: Well, the chaintech FX5200, and this new Asus card work perfectly fine. Running the 2.6.19 kernel.

[06:21:38]

Ryushin:

Well, the FX5200 can't display 1920x1080, but the 6200 on up can. The FX5200 displayed 720p perfectly fine.

[06:21:47]

Ryushin:

The new asus can do 1080i fine.

[06:21:54]

sandeen:

Ryushin, where'd you find that info...

[06:21:58]

Ryushin:

Heck, it's doing 1080p fine.

[06:22:05]

sandeen:

hmm what determines that, clock rates? memory?

[06:22:18]

Ryushin:

sandeen: Which info, the resolution for the FX5200?

[06:22:23]

sandeen:

yep

[06:22:51]

sandeen:

there is so much "tribal knowledge" out there on this stuff ;-)

[06:22:57]

Ryushin:

Oh, and I might add this is all out through DVI. The FX5200 can't do 1080i through DVI. It can through analog. And I found out about it, by doing a LOT of googling.

[06:23:38]

Ryushin:

It can do something like 1600x1200 through DVI, but that's it.

[06:23:48]

zmattor:

Ive been trying to install ivtv and i do sudo m-a a-i ivtv and it errors with "installation of the ivtv-source source failed."

[06:24:03]

sandeen:

Ryushin, interesting.

[06:24:11]

sandeen:

well luckily I can't afford a 1080 set :)

[06:24:47]

metalac:

well my 6200 is pushing 1920x1080 as we speak

[06:24:56]

metalac:

but i guess my cpu is dying when it comes to HD

[06:25:16]

sandeen:

metalac, so what deinterlacing -are- you using now?

[06:25:32]

metalac:

none

[06:25:36]

sandeen:

ah

[06:25:58]

sandeen:

right, sorry, you said that already :)

[06:26:04]

Ryushin:

Oh, I got the cpu's idling down to 73 and 79 degrees using linux and powernowd.

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** sandeen just uses the ondemand governor **

[06:26:26]

Ryushin:

Oh, I'm deinterlacing too.

[06:26:39]

manuleviking:

Ryushin: you are going to do a myth box ?

[06:26:52]

Ryushin:

I have two right now, I'm building a 3rd.

[06:26:57]

sandeen:

ok enough hackityhack for one night... g'night :)

[06:26:58]

Ryushin:

Well, when the parts get here.

[06:27:09]

Ryushin:

goodnight sandeen.

[06:27:40]

Ryushin:

I only have one master backend though, with 2 HD and 2 SD tuners.

[06:27:53]

Ryushin:

Just ordered a 750GB drive that one too.

[06:28:07]

manuleviking:

waouh !

[06:28:36]

metalac:

now a question

[06:28:40]

Ryushin:

I have three 200 GB drives in it now, this will be the forth drive. Thank goodness storage groups was released in SVN.

[06:28:52]

metalac:

i'm trying to see if i need deinterlacing in my case

[06:29:26]

metalac:

i have a 1080p tv running at 1920x1080 from X and doing SD for now

[06:29:36]

manuleviking:

good luck Ryushin ! that's sound too complicated for me :)

[06:29:37]

metalac:

does that need deinterlacing?

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Ryushin:

metalac: Depends on the TV.

[06:30:05]

metalac:

Ryushin: what do you mean? it's a 1080p TV

[06:30:11]

Ryushin:

An easy test is to watch some 1080i content, and see if you see any combing.

[06:30:32]

manuleviking:

well, it's time to go to bed here, bye everyone !

[06:30:37]

manuleviking:

ciao

[06:30:47]

metalac:

Ryushin: well my HD is a bit choppy

[06:30:50]

Ryushin:

That doesn't mean your 1080p TV, is taking 1080i content, combining 60 partial frames, into 30 full frames.

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Ryushin:

manuleviking: goodnight.

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zmattor:

can anyone help me install ivtv?

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Ryushin:

zmattor: What distro?

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squigly:

any one ever set up an nvidia card with a hdtv?

[06:31:54]

zmattor:

Ryushin: Ubuntu

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Ryushin:

squigly: yea

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Ryushin:

zmattor: You running a custom kernel, or the stock kernel?

[06:32:29]

zmattor:

Ryushin: Stock

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squigly:

im getting some strange flickering i dont think its syncing right

[06:32:38]

zmattor:

Ryushin: 2.6.17

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Ryushin:

Did you download the ivtv-0.7.0?

[06:33:00]

zmattor:

Ryushin: Yes

[06:33:12]

Ryushin:

Did you install your kernel source and kernel headers for your kernel?

[06:33:28]

zmattor:

Ryushin: Thats probably what i did wrong/ didnt do

[06:33:55]

metalac:

Ryushin: do you set anything in recording profiles for your HD source? mine is a firewire card to my motorola box, what's your source?

[06:34:15]

Ryushin:

Okay, well, you have two options, to either find a ivtv package for your distro, or download the kernel headers package and such for your current running kernel.

[06:34:31]

Ryushin:

metalac: OTA

[06:34:55]

Ryushin:

And my 96" antenna that can pull signals down from mars. :)

[06:34:55]

metalac:

Ryushin: did you have to do any changes to recording profiles?

[06:35:03]

metalac:

oh geeze

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Ryushin:

Not really. Only for the transcoding. The HDTV cards, just pull in the signal, it's then dumped to disk in it's raw mpeg2 format.

[06:36:18]

metalac:

well if i go in it tells me it's pulling RTjpeg signal

[06:36:21]

metalac:

what's up with that?

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zmattor:

Ryushin: I got the 7.2 form http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Main_Page and i compiled it and it seemed to work but i cant seem to load the module

[06:36:38]

Ryushin:

Let me look at mine.

[06:36:58]

Ryushin:

zmattor: You did a make, make install?

[06:37:06]

zmattor:

Ryushin: Yea

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Ryushin:

What happens when you do a depmod -a, modprobe ivtv?

[06:37:53]

zmattor:

in root right?

[06:38:19]

zmattor:

ohhh... geese it worked

[06:39:04]

zmattor:

I guess all i needed was the -a on the depmod.......

[06:39:07]

Ryushin:

metalac: My hardware DVB encoder just says default and the recording type is normal.

[06:39:19]

Ryushin:

zmattor: Good news.

[06:39:47]

zmattor:

Now what do i do.....

[06:40:03]

Ryushin:

panic :)

[06:40:07]

zmattor:

haha

[06:40:13]

Ryushin:

Run mythtv-setup

[06:40:15]

zmattor:

Sorry for bothering you :P

[06:40:32]

metalac:

Ryushin: hmmm weird, do you know what difference is between mpeg-2 TS and mpeg-2 ps

[06:40:40]

zmattor:

...i still dont have a /dev/video0

[06:41:01]

Ryushin:

I used to. Do a quick google for that.

[06:41:29]

Ryushin:

zmattor: Look at your /var/log/kern.log for the modprobe and see what kind of errors it generated. Which card are you using?

[06:41:48]

zmattor:

Ryushin: Im using a PVR 350

[06:41:56]

Ryushin:

same card that I have.

[06:42:05]

zmattor:

Ryushin: Well thats good :P

[06:42:45]

squigly:

Ryushin, did you have to add any special modelines etc to xorg.conf to get it to work at hd right?

[06:43:04]

Ryushin:

Well, the best thing to do is to remove ivtv, by doing a modprobe -r ivtv. Then open up another shell, run tail -s0 -f /var/log/kern.log, and then go back to your other shell and modprobe ivtv, look in the tail shell to see everything the module did.

[06:43:37]

zmattor:

Ryushin: Alright ill try that

[06:43:42]

Ryushin:

squigly: I have some excellent mode lines. I'm running 720p. Do you want my modelines?

[06:43:45]

metalac:

Ryushin: well i found one where explenation is a 174 page pdf file :)

[06:44:51]

metalac:

Ryushin: i guess it boils down to inclusion of commercial by some people

[06:45:09]

Ryushin:

metalac: See this: http://wiki.videolan.org/index.php/MPEG-TS

[06:45:10]

squigly:

Ryushin, im trying to get 1080p to work

[06:45:26]

Ryushin:

Let me see if I have a modeline for that....

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zmattor:

ivtv0 warning: Error loading firmware -3! <--- could that be it?

[06:47:09]

zmattor:

It seemed to detect alot of stuff

[06:47:25]

Ryushin:

squigly: http://pastebin.ca/272761

[06:47:44]

Ryushin:

zmattor: You still have to install the firmware, yea, that's it.

[06:47:59]

Ryushin:

Look at ivtvdriver.org and read the installation instructions.

[06:48:37]

Ryushin:

Make SURE you use the version of the firmware that they recommend.

[06:48:47]

zmattor:

Ryushin: Can i do it threw the synaptic package manager?

[06:48:52]

zmattor:

okay..

[06:49:10]

Ryushin:

You'll need to download the firmware, and copy it to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware

[06:49:20]

zmattor:

alright

[06:49:59]

Ryushin:

squigly: What is happening?

[06:51:05]

metalac:

Ryushin: what version of myth you running?

[06:52:15]

Ryushin:

SVN, as of today.

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Ryushin:

I should say, I've been using SVN for over a year, and I just updated it today along with the new 2.6.19 kernel, latest ivtv drivers, nvidia, etc.

[06:53:54]

Dagmar:

Bet you're enjoying all the bugs

[06:54:52]

Ryushin:

dagmar: heck now, I'm enjoying all the features. Actually I watch the lists and I upgrade when it looks pretty safe. I keep a log of all the svn version that I've been using, and it's easy to roll back if I have to.

[06:56:07]

Ryushin:

Storage Groups is just one of the features that I've been chomping at the bit for.

[06:57:19]

zmattor:

Okay i think i got the firmware should i do that modprobe test again?

[06:58:38]

zmattor:

Ryushin: Nope nevermind i guess i did it wrong

[06:58:40]

Dagmar:

Ryushin: Hmm... Maybe I'll rebuild with 0.20-fixes tonight then. I was having a problem with the whole frontend seizing when the channel preview appeared if you went into the program guide from liveTV from the build I made about two weeks ago

[07:00:25]

zmattor:

Ryushin: Yes!!! i got it

[07:00:30]

zmattor:

No errors! :)

[07:01:55]

Ryushin:

Oh man, this is a riot: http://www.tommyv2.com/05march14b.htm

[07:02:27]

Ryushin:

zmattor: good news. On to the next step.

[07:02:40]

zmattor:

Ryushin: What would that be?? :P

[07:02:41]

squigly:

Ryushin, no luch i still get the screens lines sort of bluring to the right

[07:03:45]

squigly:

Ryushin, how would i go about calculating a vaid modeline?

[07:03:57]

zmattor:

Ryushin: Alright so i opened up the device in vlc and i got a blue screen... is that good??

[07:04:24]

Dagmar:

Ryushin: OMG you should warn people not to be drinking when they pull that up

[07:05:48]

Ryushin:

Dagmar: I said it was a riot. And it is that.

[07:06:22]

Ryushin:

zmattor: Open up X if it isn't already running, and run mythtv-setup

[07:06:48]

Ryushin:

squigly: Which TV do you have?

[07:07:06]

zmattor:

i havent got myth-tv yett

[07:08:05]

squigly:

samsung la40f7 Ryushin

[07:10:12]

squigly:

Ryushin, i see the picture ok but some times the lines run to left of the screen

[07:10:17]

squigly:

I dont know how to describe it

[07:11:03]

squigly:

like a wite pixel will do this [ . ] [ .. ] [ .... ] over sucessive frames

[07:11:04]

Ryushin:

Are you using DVI?

[07:11:06]

squigly:

yes

[07:11:14]

Ryushin:

What kind of card?

[07:11:20]

squigly:

nvidia its old

[07:11:21]

squigly:

one sec

[07:11:42]

squigly:

Gforce 4 MZ

[07:11:44]

Ryushin:

FX5200?

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squigly:

older than that

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Ryushin:

You can't do 1080 through DVI.

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squigly:

oh

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Ryushin:

You need a 6200 or newer card.

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Ryushin:

You might be able to do it through VGA.

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squigly:

sorry im being a twit, I am using vga

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Ryushin:

The FX5200 could do it through VGA, but not DVI, it could do 720p fine.

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squigly:

i can do 720p fine

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Ryushin:

Can it drive a resolution that high?

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Dagmar:

I've not seen a 5200 with DVI output, but I know they make 'em

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squigly:

i have a neweer graphics card here in an box ill swap and see

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Ryushin:

do you have a monitor that is capable of it, and try and drive it.

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squigly:

ill just swap graphics cards

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Ryushin:

Dagmar: I have one. They are cheap. About $32.00

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squigly:

if you think that might help

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squigly:

it will be eaiser for me

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Ryushin:

But no 1080i/p for those.

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Ryushin:

That's the better choice.

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Dagmar:

Ryushin: The *funx0r* there kicks in when you aren't super-careful about *which* 6xxx card you get. More than a few do not support video overlay for XVMC

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Ryushin:

Dagmar: Oh, that's freaken great. Well, I hope the motherboard I ordered today can do it fine.

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Dagmar:

Ryushin: Yeah, it's irritating as hell because I've yet to find a good way of finding out whether something supports it or not. NV41-NV43 seem to may or may not have the support we need almost at random

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Ryushin:

Looks like my board is compatible, but I'll have to mess with the sound some to get it to work right.

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zmattor:

Ryushin: Thanks for helping me ~_^

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Ryushin:

zmattor: My pleasure.

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Ryushin:

And speaking of that, it's off to bed for me. I have to pull an all nighter tomorrow night, and I'm so very looking forward to it. Yea, right. :)

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zmattor:

Ryushin: What version of Lame should i get?

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zmattor:

The most recent stable version?

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zmattor:

Alright nvm i got it

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zmattor:

Is qmake part of QT??

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|Atum|:

hi again everyone

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cesman:

hello

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Krazylegz:

Hey Tommck.

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squigly:

aah my graphics card was the problem

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squigly:

has any one had a problem with mplayer lately?

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|Atum|:

anyone here use a hauppauge pvr-150 ?

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Dagmar:

Sort of. I've got a PVR-500.

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|Atum|:

Hmm :-)

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|Atum|:

Im curious, do you have a TV OUT?

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Dagmar:

No PVR-150 has TV Output

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|Atum|:

hmm...

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|Atum|:

I dont have a TV out just yet.

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|Atum|:

im shopping for hardware right now

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meshugga:

ehm

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meshugga:

how can i change the way mythtv displays tv?

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Tronic:

"the way"?

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meshugga:

Tronic: well, something what mythtv does when displaying tv crashes my dualhead setup (=garbage on the other display)

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meshugga:

mplayer does not do this, so either i find out the magic switch which turns off that behaviour

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meshugga:

or i gotta replace the thing with whatever mythtv displays tv

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Tronic:

I guess it is because MythTV uses OpenGL and MPlayer doesn't...

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meshugga:

hm

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Tronic:

Which gfx card?

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meshugga:

radeon m7500 on a t30

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Tronic:

Argh. No can do then, I guess.

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meshugga:

?

[09:21:50]

Tronic:

It's a laptop, so you can't replace it easily, and ATI doesn't exactly have the best drivers.

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BULLE:

so disable opengl rendering ?

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BULLE:

if that is what is causing the trouble

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meshugga:

BULLE: yeah, how can i do that?

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BULLE:

meshugga: that i am not sure of =)

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meshugga:

i tried to change the methods which mythtv offers in the setup

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meshugga:

but that didnt help

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meshugga:

damn :/

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BULLE:

i would think it might very well be an ati driver issue, and not a mythtv issue

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meshugga:

BULLE: as said, mplayer doesnt bring my drivers down

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meshugga:

so there is a way to not break things

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meshugga:

i just need to know how i can change that in mythtv

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meshugga:

or i get up and buy a cheap pc for vdr

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meshugga:

hm

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meshugga:

which would actually be a neat thing anyway

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phrozen77_:

morning all :)

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phrozen77_:

say, anyone can recommend a full-featured dvb-s card to me?

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Dagmar:

Check the Wiki

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natoka:

hmm, i wonder where i can change the address of the backend in the mythfrontend, since i can't find it in the setup options

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natoka:

never mind, figured it out myself (backend was dead in the water ...)

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k-man__:

with mytharchive, is there a way to tell it which audio track to use as the primary audio track when making a DVD from a recording?

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fourcheeze:

anyone here using an intel mac mini as a frontend?

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fourcheeze:

or using a PPC one for that matter?

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fourcheeze:

in fact any kind of Mac

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fourcheeze:

thinking it would like nice in my lounge

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Sembiance:

Anyone here run an hdHomerun box?

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Cybertoy:

hi there...

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Cybertoy:

I compiled and installed mythtv ... but starting mythfrontend I alwasy get this:

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Cybertoy:

2006-12–09 08:45:05.062 MythPlugin::Init() dlerror: /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythvideo.so: undefined symbol: _ZN42_GLOBAL__N_videolist.cpp_00000000_46B2B13A17tree_view_to_flatERNS_13meta_di r_nodeERSt6vectorIP8MetadataSaIS4_EE

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Cybertoy:

and video stuff won't work ... anyone know what that is?>

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jaymezb:

i have just setup mythtv on one machine as an all in one backend/frontend and after alot of editing of the sql database i am very impressed with it.

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jaymezb:

i do have a problem with recording though

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jaymezb:

can anyone help??

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jaymezb:

in the EPG i select a program i would like to record in the future, setup the recording options and save them

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jaymezb:

but mythtv forgets them immediatly and when it takes me back to the EPG it says "not recording" in yellow

[14:15:05]

jaymezb:

and sure enough when selected all the options i selected are not present

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jaymezb:

this means at present i am only able to record stuff i am currently watching

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jaymezb:

any ideas?

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Cybertoy:

sorry... I'm not even that far yet... :(

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sdlnxgk:

Good Morning Everyone !!! Have A Great Weekend !!!

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jaymezb:

anything i can help you with then?

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Cybertoy:

I have this error when I start mythfrontend:

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Cybertoy:

2006-12–09 08:45:05.062 MythPlugin::Init() dlerror: /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythvideo.so: undefined symbol: _ZN42_GLOBAL__N_videolist.cpp_00000000_46B2B13A17tree_view_to_flatERNS_13meta_di r_nodeERSt6vectorIP8MetadataSaIS4_EE

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Cybertoy:

and none of the video stuff works ...

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sdlnxgk:

Can anyone suggest a good card to run under Kubuntu Linux???

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Cybertoy:

somewhere I read that it might be related to bad options in the Makefile ... so I did make distclean in mythtv and plugins and currently recompile everything again.

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Dagmar:

Looks like you've probably got more than one copy of MythTV installed in different prefixes

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Cybertoy:

dagmar, uh.. possible.. I did the yum install first but I'm not happy with that version ... let me make sure that one's properly cleaned out.

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Cybertoy:

good hint.. tnx.

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Cybertoy:

ok .. so there were some mythtv things installed in /usr/bin and /usr/lib ... deleted that all out .. it's all in /usr/local... but still get the libmythvideo error...

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Cybertoy:

let me recompile and go from there.

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D-side:

i'm having a klondike bar for breakfast. :D

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jaymezb:

Anyone seen this error before ? MythSocket(887da0:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket.

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jaymezb:

on the backend

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juski:

afternoon

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juski:

saw a mac mini this morning. I WANT ONE !

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juski:

£399 GBP is a bit steep though

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Cybertoy:

also I heard that once you add the memory and diskspace you want it gets more expensive

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juski:

diskspace? diskless :)

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D-side:

juski: i've got a mac mini.

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D-side:

but if you're going to use it for just a myth frontend, you're better off with something entirely different

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D-side:

Cybertoy: and yeah. it sure does. :)

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D-side:

my gf gave me a base model mini for my b-day, so i stuck two gigs of ram in it, and i've currrently got a 250GB external HD (firewire) on it. best desktop i've ever owned.

[14:49:38]

Cybertoy:

I'm using a old MSI mega 180 for my mythtv machine... that should do the job... :)

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juski:

D-side: why? it's gorgeous, diddy, prolly powerful enough....

[14:50:12]

juski:

it'd beat the arse end off my epia m10000 that's for sure

[14:50:22]

D-side:

juski: its the expense really.

[14:50:41]

D-side:

juski: hell, at the very least just run the frontend stuff off OS X. shame to waste it. :)

[14:50:43]

juski:

having seen one in person I think it's worth it

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D-side:

hey, only you can make that call. i wish you good luck if you go that route.

[14:50:58]

juski:

you can't get anything like it in a pc form factor

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D-side:

they're very nice. :)

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juski:

does it have a digital audio out?

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D-side:

optical yeah

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juski:

sorted then

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D-side:

non-standard optical cable, but no problem. actually, i don't know if thats "non standard" or not

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juski:

and if someone makes a frontrow mythtv player... wwof!

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D-side:

its not the typical plug connector, but instead fits a 1/8" minijack

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D-side:

juski: oh stop that.

[14:52:22]

juski:

haha I've got one of them leads

[14:52:36]

juski:

my credit card has a balance of zero right now... it's tempting

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D-side:

front row integration makes me smile

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juski:

I'll need a tv out adapter.. wonder how much they cost

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D-side:

juski: remember to only get the base model, but maybe bump up to a gig of ram.

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juski:

512MB would be enough methinks

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D-side:

its got dvi out, if that helps

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D-side:

juski: yeah, and i thought that too.

[14:53:38]

juski:

no dvi wouldn't help

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D-side:

for OS X, it isn't.

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juski:

linux :)

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D-side:

unless of course you're just

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D-side:

right.

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juski:

though I think you have to open the box to put linux on there

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D-side:

i've become an apple whore, so i can't fathom ditching OS X. :)

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D-side:

juski: i don't think so.

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D-side:

at the very least you can use boot camp.

[14:54:19]

juski:

I'd not spend that much cash & invalidate its warranty so quick

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D-side:

opening it doesn't invalidate the warranty, don't worry.

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D-side:

breaking anything during does, but the mere act of opening it will not.

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juski:

afternoon stuarta :)

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juski:

I just became smitten with mac mini today

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stuarta:

afternoon juski + everyone else...

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** stuarta is getting one in jan **

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juski:

manchester now has an apple store

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stuarta:

going up in the world :-P

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juski:

I'm quite taken by the 32" HD TFT too

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juski:

the ati onboard video isn't a problem though is it?

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stuarta:

frontend runs natively on it these days

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D-side:

theres no ati onboard on a mini

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D-side:

its an intel chipset

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juski:

worse still then

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D-side:

stuarta: it sure does. :)

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stuarta:

so does the backend

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D-side:

juski: drives my 22" just fine.

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D-side:

stuarta: ohh?

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juski:

no driver snafus then?

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D-side:

stuarta: thats news to me.

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stuarta:

well as far as I know...

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D-side:

juski: i haven't attempted installing it on the bare hardware (parallels rocks for my purposes)

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D-side:

but theres tons of sites out there that document $randomgeek's experience running linux on it. :)

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Dagmar:

juski: before I shoot myself in the foot on this, since I'm working on the graphics before the mechanics of it, in a theme is it possible to have the menu items appear on a different part of the screen for the various panes? I've not noticed any other themes moving them around, and it looks like maybe inheritance is the only reason for this

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juski:

Dagmar: how do you mean?

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Dagmar:

I've almost got enough elements assembled to have a non-hideous LCARS theme

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juski:

you can have buttons anywhere you like in the menus

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D-side:

lcars? oh no. heh

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juski:

the selection lists can be anywhere too, so you're not limited to having a 'watch recordings' screen with thelist at the top

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Dagmar:

juski: Well, for the main menu I'm doing a fake split window thing, and I want the top-level menu to basically (by faking it) appear to slide to the left edge of the screen, and have the submenus (like Manage Recordings and Utilities/Setup) to have their menu items be slightly more to the right (as a result)

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Dagmar:

D-side: I'm going to have nasty things to say to the people at lcarsdeveloper.com for basically having done jack and shit for making any kind of standard widgets

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juski:

Dagmar: AFAIK you can't do that

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Dagmar:

juski: Okay, so the menu is always going to be on the same place in each screen

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Dagmar:

I'll deal.

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juski:

or just rewrite the menu code to cope & I'll help theme it ;)

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juski:

hahah there's that 'just' word again :-P

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D-side:

what, you mean thats non-trivial? :)

[15:03:36]

juski:

slightly

[15:03:59]

juski:

been so busy today I forgot about the stuff I need to fix on my frontend

[15:04:04]

juski:

but what the hell

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D-side:

i shall soon begin the hunt for an lcd tv

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Dagmar:

Hmm...

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Dagmar:

It would be non-trivial because I've been assuming that the master xml file was just being inhereited down into the submenus and that you could maybe define named submenu.xml files for each submenu, but apparently that's not the case

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juski:

1.66Ghz core duo should be enough for me I think

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juski:

thinking about it though I dunno if that'd play mpeg2 HD let alone h.264.. I'm thinking ahead

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D-side:

juski: and remember, you can pop a merom core 2 duo in later.

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D-side:

of course it plays mpeg2 HD. :)

[15:06:43]

Dagmar:

Lord knows the themeing documentation all seems to be *only* the tip of the iceberg as to what's going on

[15:06:52]

juski:

Dagmar: you're telling me!

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juski:

some theme graphics needing a trans-$foobar.png element is a shocker

[15:07:42]

juski:

you don't often find out til you discover mythfrontend segfault on you

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Dagmar:

Yep. It's been doing that for me alright

[15:08:10]

Dagmar:

I've been doing most of this *remotely* by setting the theme, starting MythTV, and then doing a screengrab with xwd

[15:08:38]

Dagmar:

...and then when I actually *get* an image (instead of an error) I can pull it into Gimp and proceed to tweak where the heck things are supposed to land

[15:08:51]

D-side:

i wonder if i wanntt to go wii.

[15:09:15]

Dagmar:

I've been diddling with GANT for hte last hour trying to figure out what I can get away with to make certain elements appear to blink or scroll

[15:09:16]

juski:

reinforce your TV if you're gonna buy a wii ;)

[15:09:39]

Sembiance:

ugh

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stuarta:

wii's are going to be great for small children and drunk people :)

[15:09:40]

Sembiance:

this sucks

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juski:

heh. someone said my new theme is the best thing since gant. I think that was sposed to be a compliment

[15:09:49]

Dagmar:

Well, if you have a flatpanel probably some sort of protective plexiglass might be in order, but not if you have a CRT display

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Dagmar:

juski: Well, the dude who does GANT has some kind of supernatural skill with icons

[15:10:14]

Sembiance:

I just bought 4 pcHDTV 5500 cards a few days ago, and now I just find out about HDHomeRun :(

[15:10:19]

Dagmar:

The dude is just barely old enough to buy smokes now. he was 14 or 15 when he made the first GANT set

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juski:

I think they were painted in oils then scanned

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Sembiance:

Now I'm thinking of buying 2 HDHomeRun boxes and I guess trying to sell my pcHDTV 5500 cards

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juski:

be nice if chokemaniac would make a mythtv theme

[15:11:08]

Sembiance:

Anyone know of any bad problems with HDHomeRun? Anyone have one?

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juski:

but I reckon you'd have to prise xbmc out of his cold dead hands first

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D-side:

heh

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D-side:

shame too, since its the best theme for anything, ever., heh

[15:12:31]

juski:

D-side: you ever looked at his icons in detail? he's clever

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juski:

I think he's not just a hobbyist designer though

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D-side:

no, nothing past seeing them scroll by in the menus. whats he do?

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D-side:

i'd believe that.

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D-side:

its insanely polished

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D-side:

i'm gonna bowl for ten minutes. afk. :)

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juski:

I've been learning some tricks with layering & gradients. I think the secret to nifty icons is being able to visualise what a 'look' needs to make it up

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Dagmar:

It would help if things like alphapulse actually had some documentation

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Dagmar:

I'm almost scared to try movemenypulse

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Dagmar:

er movementpulse

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juski:

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juski:

movementpluse?

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juski:

since when?

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Dagmar:

It's right there in the souce

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Dagmar:

bleh source

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juski:

sauce?

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juski:

which file?

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Dagmar:

http://www.cuymedia.net/doxygen-dev-docs/html . . . -source.html

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Dagmar:

Looks like the code is in, but nothing to actually recognize the directive in an xml file yet. Oh well

[15:18:00]

Dagmar:

Maybe I should look at a newer version of that file

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juski:

I can see it's sposed to move stuff around.. I think it's the beginning of _animation_

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juski:

proper!

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Dagmar:

The MythUIType::HandleMovementPulse seems more or less _there_

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Dagmar:

I *think* I can get the typical "mysterious blinking bits" of an lcars interface working if I set change to 255 (or more likely set the minium to 128 and change to 128) but I suspect it's got no control over the speed

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Dagmar:

...thus making it only good for "fishing for epileptics"

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juski:

there's one way to find out the current state / how to use it.. ask Chutt in #mythtv

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Dagmar:

Looks like right now the code just changes the alpha with each and every redraw

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juski:

so an alpha pulse would be redrawing the whole screen, if it's all marked as 'dirty'

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juski:

I noticed there's nothing to define what actually pulses too, so I assume its just the logo

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Dagmar:

Well, its an attribute you apply to an image tag, so you could *maybe* be irresponsible and apply it to everything up to and including watermarks

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juski:

think I'll make a new watermark for the zoneminder plugin

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Dagmar:

But then, I kinda think it would be better to substitute a sine for it's pulse pattern instead of a straight-up triangle wave. :/

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Dagmar:

Ther'es all kindsa weird stuff in this code that doesn't have associated xml elements yet

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Dagmar:

It even looks like someone wanted to make us blind and define a way to *cycle text colors*

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juski:

hahaha

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juski:

1337!

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Dagmar:

I think perhaps simply being able to right-justify text would be more useful than that

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juski:

you can easily do that

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Dagmar:

Ah okay, I see now

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Dagmar:

I wonder if you could abuse animatedimage for watermarks

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Dagmar:

Heh. Segfault sez "NO". :)

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** Paladine just got a shock **

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Paladine:

we called in a chap to fix a hole in our roof

[15:47:23]

Paladine:

he turned up today and went up onto the roof, but the missus fell asleep with our baby before he left

[15:47:32]

Paladine:

so I just phoned him to find out what he had done and how much we owe him

[15:48:05]

Paladine:

he replaced the missing slate and put some lead up but when it came to payment, he just said, don't worry about it, no charge

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stuarta:

huh?

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Paladine:

how unusual is that eh?

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Paladine:

nice guy

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Paladine:

he did a full check of the rest of the roof too

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Paladine:

and is coming back to clean out the gutters

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Sembiance:

Anyone here know about networking? heh

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Sembiance:

Network: Cable Modem -> 10/100 VPN Router <-> 10/100/1000 Switch <- Computers If two computers who got their internal VPN IP from the VPN router want to talk to each other, does the traffic hit the router or only the switch?

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Paladine:

gonna go buy a lotto ticket tonight now, with such good luck in the air, we might win :)

[15:50:46]

Sembiance:

Trying to figure out how to get my HDHomeRun boxes to correctly send their data to my mythtv backend

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Sembiance:

over gigabit :)

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Paladine:

sembiance it depends on where the gateway is for the vpn

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Paladine:

if the gateway is on the router they will hit that, if it is on the switch, they will the switch

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Paladine:

or at least I think it will

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Paladine:

I just got up so I am not quite with it yet

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Sembiance:

crap

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Sembiance:

that's what I figured

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Sembiance:

so I need a VPN with a gigabit port

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stuarta:

traffic will hit both

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Paladine:

well I use openvpn on my machines here as opposed to using a vpn router

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stuarta:

why would you need a VPN with a gige?

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stuarta:

the WAN side of the VPN won't even saturate 100Mb

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Paladine:

stuarta, yeah traffic will pass through the switch to get to the router and then back through the switch to hit the other machine, but the routing will done at the router as opposed to the switch

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stuarta:

switches don't route anyway

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stuarta:

not unless they are layer 3

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Paladine:

yeah it depends on the switch

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Paladine:

well I have to check if my car battery managed to take a charge last night, or whether I have to go buy a new battery

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Paladine:

laters

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** stuarta waves **

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Sembiance:

heh

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Sembiance:

I have 3 of these devices: http://www.silicondust.com/zxc/content/view/5/26/

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Sembiance:

Each device has a 10/100 port that at peak will generate 40mbit/sec of traffic

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Sembiance:

All three devices will need to send their data to a computer

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Sembiance:

All of this can be done without the VPN of course

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Sembiance:

but thse devices have to get their IP from somewhere

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stuarta:

why not install a dhcp daemon on your backend?

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stuarta:

have it dole out ip's

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Krazylegz:

Hmm, no Juski. I need to give him props.

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briand:

hmm.. this looks like a problem that warrants investigation:

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briand:

16241 root 15 0 282m 28m 11m S 99.8 2.8 17:30.23 mythbackend

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briand:

99.8% CPU usage.. hmm

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juski:

props?

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GreyFoxx:

briand: got an xbox 360 on your network by chance ?

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juski:

what've I done now?

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briand:

GreyFoxx: nope

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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briand:

GreyFoxx: I *think* it might be caused during a MythWeb session, to be honest, but I haven't narrowed it down.

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Sembiance:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

there is a part of the upnp code that a malormed upnp packet can cause to go into a loop and chew all cpu

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GreyFoxx:

and the 360 sends it out at boot

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GreyFoxx:

triggering that

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GreyFoxx:

I've got a fix I plan to commit today

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briand:

at the time it happens, I'm connected via MythWeb, and then mythbackend suddenly goes mute.

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briand:

when i get home, mythwelcome hasn't spoken with mythbackend either, not even for updating the time/date on the screen

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GreyFoxx:

briand: hmmmm

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briand:

yeah, mythweb starts spitting out "is the backend running?" errors

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GreyFoxx:

not sure what that could be, but others have reported something similar but each turned out to be upnp related and running with --noupnp stopped it

[16:19:03]

briand:

i'm doing a distclean and installing SVN 12228, now...

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briand:

that parameter goes on mythbackend ?

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GreyFoxx:

briand: Yup

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briand:

heck, i'll give it a try. :)

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briand:

not sure how to add that parameter to /sbin/service's call to start the backend, tho

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GreyFoxx:

that I wouldn't know :)

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briand:

i'll figure it out... it'll be a "few minutes" for this make to run, anyway.. ;)

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GreyFoxx:

I've just kicked up an updated compile too :)

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GreyFoxx:

gives me time to read some rfc's

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briand:

heheh

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lightspeedbiker:

Greetings

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stuarta:

hallucinations

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lightspeedbiker:

Question, What is the http address to bring up the mythweb page. I want to sked programs via a web page.

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briand:

what version?

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stuarta:

lightspeedbiker: that's all configuration you do on your own system

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Dagmar:

lightspeedbiker: That depends entirely on where you installed it.

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briand:

http://<your mythbox's IP addr>/mythweb possibly

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lightspeedbiker:

Im using version .20 latest

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briand:

SVN?

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briand:

there's no index.* file in the latest mythweb... so try:

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briand:

http://<your mythbox IP addr>/mythweb/mythweb.php

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juski:

Krazylegz: pong

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Krazylegz:

Oh, hey there.

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Krazylegz:

juski: blootube->rocks. You also helped me figure out the widescreen thing in a way.

[16:55:11]

Krazylegz:

I didn't realize how easy it was to just figure out my own modeline. :-)

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|Atum|:

Sembiance: In regard to your LAN / WAN question for where traffic will go

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|Atum|:

Two hosts on the same local network will not talk to the router if a switch is involved after the first conversation is established

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|Atum|:

The first time A tries to communicate with B, it broadcasts "Who is [IP address]". B will respond "I am." (Or your router will respond, "B is" if proxy arp is enabled)

[17:16:26]

|Atum|:

A well then send all frames to the MAC address of B, which the switch has learned is on port Y and A is on port X...

[17:17:24]

|Atum|:

Should an external or unknown network try to be accessed, the trafficw ill be directed to the "default gateway" othewise known as the gateway of last resort. If no other path to the host can be found, it sends it to your router in the hopes the router knows where to send it.

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Dagmar:

|Atum|: Actually, one small err. If a router is doing proxy ARP, it will definitely say "I'm that IP".

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Dagmar:

I hope you weren't accidentally pasting some kind of report you're writing

[17:24:08]

Dagmar:

Plus, two hosts on the same network will not talk to a router at all if they're properly configured.

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Dagmar:

Whether or not a switch is involved has little to do with it. It could be a hub just as easily. The routing table is checked to see which interface the destination host should be on (or if it needs to go through a gateway) and if it's supposed to be a local machine, it checks the ARP cache, and then makes an ARP query if it's not found cached. If it's a non-local host, it does an ARP query (or uses the cached value) to find the gateway and jus

[17:27:23]

Dagmar:

<--has spent many a night abusing ARP for fun and giggles.

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stuarta:

i like what LVS does with ARP.

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Dagmar:

I like what I can do to my cable provider with ARP trickery, but you didn't hear me say that.

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Dagmar:

8D

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juski:

time to put down my xbox controller for a while :)

[17:32:03]

stuarta:

what you been playing.?

[17:32:25]

juski:

burnout revenge

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juski:

kind of er.. addicted to it now

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juski:

wtf? my theme watermarks have vanished

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juski:

ach well I can just download another tarball :)

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juski:

it's my version control system

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juski:

hey I found a graphic to use as a zoneminder plugin watermark: http://www.chickenshop.co.uk/acatalog/SM23280.jpg

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stuarta:

hehe

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fwitness:

Anyone up and about?

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juski:

nah

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juski:

oo gawd I'm never having the curry at that pub ever again.

[18:05:10]

Igg-man:

I'm up

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FairWtns:

Hehe. Curry at a pub?

[18:05:17]

Igg-man:

I'm not about though... just sitting here

[18:05:34]

FairWtns:

I'm looking for some ftp help on my mythbox. So far I'm lost. Trying to upgrade the GF's box at my house.

[18:05:54]

Igg-man:

ftp help?

[18:06:09]

Igg-man:

What are you trying to do?

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FairWtns:

Well, gentoo doesn't seem to be able to download packages. I tried FTPing manually, and it seems like it resolves, but won't allow anything back. Same thing happens on the local 'net. I can log in, but "ls" hangs.

[18:07:27]

Igg-man:

ls hangs? Bad hardware?

[18:08:20]

FairWtns:

I'm thinking it's something to do with the network itself. What makes you think hardware?

[18:08:26]

juski:

sounds like the filesystem is foobar

[18:08:29]

Igg-man:

oh, ls over ftp

[18:08:33]

juski:

ah

[18:08:37]

Igg-man:

sorry, was thinking /bin/ls

[18:08:37]

juski:

different story, that one ;)

[18:08:41]

FairWtns:

Yes yes, ls over ftp, my fault.

[18:08:44]

rogue780:

I"m building a front-end using a VIA EPIA CN1000EG with 512 MB o Ram and a 30GB laptop hard drive. whenever I try to watch anything the video jerks around, sometimes skips ahead a little bit, which makes it totally unusable as a front-end. can anyone give me some recommendations to try? thanks.

[18:08:54]

juski:

rm -rf / – whoops – rm not found

[18:09:05]

Igg-man:

FairWtns: could use use secure copy instead? Or are you trying to get it from a gentoo server?

[18:09:12]

juski:

rogue780: try using xvmc

[18:09:35]

Igg-man:

rogue780: Does it play with any other programs (mplayer, etc)?

[18:09:39]

juski:

I can't watch _anything_ on my frontend without xvmc

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juski:

and that's an epia m10k

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Igg-man:

FairWtns: What type of router do you have? Are you going through some sort of NAT?

[18:10:44]

Igg-man:

FairWtns: If you are using the command line ftp client, try switching to passive mode (I think you type pasv)

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rogue780:

juski, I'm using VIA-XvMC

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rogue780:

it's a unichrome graphics chip with the CN700 chipset

[18:12:49]

rogue780:

I'm reloading it now with FC5

[18:12:53]

juski:

rogue780: might not be supported properly on your distro

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Igg-man:

rogue780: Is your DMA enabled on the HDD?

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rogue780:

Igg-man, would that matter even if it's just a frontend?

[18:13:21]

Igg-man:

rogue780: No, I guess not.

[18:13:56]

Igg-man:

I'm having simliar problems with mine playing HD back

[18:14:05]

Igg-man:

Lots of strange stuff.

[18:14:18]

rogue780:

my current plan is to load fedora5 because VIA offers an RPM package for fedora with the driver

[18:14:22]

rogue780:

hoping that will fix it

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rogue780:

just wondering if anyone knew of any cool tricks with the EPIA boards

[18:14:45]

Igg-man:

how much was the board?

[18:14:57]

juski:

from my recent experience with mine, using it as a doorstop might be a good plan

[18:15:03]

rogue780:

about $150?

[18:15:21]

Igg-man:

cool. Are you only using the playback standard def?

[18:15:21]

rogue780:

at the very least I'm going to make a robot out of it

[18:15:28]

rogue780:

yes

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Igg-man:

robot?

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Igg-man:

I've always wanted to get my garage door opener on the network

[18:16:05]

rogue780:

might as well. it's an ITX board so it's super small. the perfect robot brain

[18:16:14]

Igg-man:

cool

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rogue780:

but it'd be an even more perfect front-end because I'm putting it an NES case, and it is fanless so.....SILENT

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rogue780:

BTW OFFTOPIC: the new Zelda rules!

[18:17:20]

Igg-man:

sweet. You have an NES? I had one of those. My mom gave it away though

[18:17:34]

Hoxzer:

rogue780: BTW OFFTOPIC: I agree

[18:17:41]

Igg-man:

I don't have it (yet). They were sold out, so I bought redsteel instead

[18:17:55]

rogue780:

I've got three right now, only one works though, so I figured this would be a good way to retire one of the

[18:18:09]

rogue780:

above to Igg-man

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rogue780:

they had 7 at EB in MD yesterday

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jams:

hah, Juski I agree about the doorstop comment

[18:18:21]

** Paladine decided to buy a wii yesterday **

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ivor:

rogue780: FYI the VIA rpm's don't provide xvmc.

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rogue780:

I wonder what the possibility of making a Wii into a frontend is

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jams:

Paladine- did you buy one or just decide to buy one?

[18:18:50]

ivor:

Paladine: heh. thrown it through your screen yet?

[18:18:51]

Igg-man:

rogue780: It'd be nice if Nintendo would release _every_ nintendo game from the WII virtual console

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Paladine:

decided to buy one

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -v jams

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jams:

hehe

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rogue780:

Igg-man, they will. there is a release schedule on the internet of when every game is going to be available

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Igg-man:

rogue780: Sweet. I never did get around to beating Dragon Warrier (quest) 1

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Paladine:

not just nintendo

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Igg-man:

I finished DW4 the day my mom gave my NES away

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rogue780:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Virtual_ . . . rth_America)

[18:20:59]

rogue780:

but that isn't updated yet

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Igg-man:

argh... copy/paste isn't working

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Paladine:

they will be the only console in the world with an entire back catalog of games available, puts them in a very strong position imo

[18:22:40]

rogue780:

I was playing Super Mario 64 last night on my Wii. very nice.

[18:23:04]

Paladine:

I heard they are talking about selling the roms online for like $5.99 too (for the previous legacy systems)

[18:23:12]

Paladine:

which makes them reasonable value for money

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Igg-man:

Wow... selling roms...

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Igg-man:

That sounds like a good way to do it

[18:24:23]

Igg-man:

I'm sure lots of the poeple that pirate them would buy them, if they could

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rogue780:

Igg-man, of course

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Paladine:

well yeah and look at the 10s of thousands of titles for legacy ninentdo systems

[18:24:58]

Paladine:

thats a lot of revenue for nintendo selling roms

[18:25:04]

Paladine:

but also means they can keep the price low

[18:25:13]

rogue780:

If all these software companies wouldn't charge me for their product, I wouldn't have to steal them would I ? ;)

[18:25:25]

Igg-man:

ha!

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Igg-man:

rogue780: What are you running for mythtv hardware?

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Paladine:

nintendo, for once, have done something that MS and Sony would never even consider

[18:26:10]

Paladine:

they have looked at how to make consumers happy

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Paladine:

as opposed to how to make their stock holders happy

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Igg-man:

Interesting concept... make customers happy, and make money doing it. Duh.

[18:26:41]

rogue780:

Igg-man, backend is a AMDXP 2.0ghz with 1024mb ram, 320GB HD with DMA enabled.

[18:26:56]

juski:

there used to be a time when 1ghz was enough for sdtv playback. sadly not anymore

[18:27:17]

juski:

funny though. my 800mhz athlon is still fast enough

[18:27:25]

juski:

must be driver/snafu related

[18:27:38]

rogue780:

Frontend I am trying to get going: VIA EPIA CN1000EG (1.0Ghz C7 Luke Processor) 512MB ram

[18:27:38]

juski:

might just say to hell with it & try to get a pci nvidia card

[18:27:41]

Igg-man:

Heh... I'm now having trouble getting HD playback to work

[18:27:54]

rogue780:

UniChrome Pro CN700 built-in video card with Mpeg2 Acceleration

[18:27:57]

Igg-man:

Seems I can't seek anywhere with any player. Mplayer plays the video fine though

[18:27:59]

rogue780:

30GB laptop HD

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rogue780:

200Watt fanless powersupply

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rogue780:

builtin 10/100 lan

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Paladine:

rogue, I noticed even the addon hardware is cheap compared to other consoles

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Paladine:

one game even gives you a free wii steering wheel

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Igg-man:

what capture card?

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rogue780:

Paladine, really?

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Paladine:

rogue, yup

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rogue780:

Igg-man, on the backend only I have dual Hauppauge PVR 150

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Igg-man:

aka, the 500?

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Paladine:

rogue http://www.play.com/Games/Wii/GENBRW/3-/11176 . . . Product.html

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rogue780:

This computer (running ubuntu) works fine as a front end

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Igg-man:

We've got that here too. We just added a Kworld 110 (or was it 100?)

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rogue780:

Igg-man, no, as in two pvr 150s in their own pci slots

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Igg-man:

oh

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Igg-man:

hmm

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rogue780:

and here on this box everything runs fine, so it has to be on the front-end's end...

[18:31:02]

rogue780:

all plugged into the same switch and everything

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juski:

you know how I was talking about the mac mini earlier.. can it do proper 720x576 (or at a push 800x600) tv out?

[18:31:21]

Paladine:

I hear that the wii also takes gamecube memory packs too

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Paladine:

brb

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Igg-man:

Paladine: It does... and get this, it has build in flash memory. No nneed to buy an SD card right off the bat

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Igg-man:

I'm not sure if you can use the gamecube memory card for Wii games

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FairWtns:

Odd. Must have been disconnected.

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rogue780:

Igg-man, you can only use gamecube memory cards for gamecube games on the wii

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Igg-man:

okay

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Igg-man:

I wasn't sure. I just know I'm saving games, and I have not stuck a memory card in yet

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rogue780:

Igg-man, is there a way to transfer games from the virtual console over to an SD card?

[18:33:58]

Igg-man:

That's awesoem

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Igg-man:

I'm not sure. I have not bought any yet

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Igg-man:

time to try myth... brb

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stuarta:

bahaha! since when did chicks carry baseball bats in their car!

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Paladine:

lgg, I have a 2GB and a 512MB SD card anyway :)

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rogue780:

stuarta, ?

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stuarta:

watch a recording of torchwood

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stuarta:

completely unrealistic...

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Paladine:

lgg, yeah they can only be used with gamecube games, but the point is it allows people who still use their gamecube a lot to use their wii and still be able to access they saved games

[18:36:27]

Paladine:

the backwards compatability of the wii to me seems like a huge huge bonus

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rogue780:

the Wii beats the PS3 hands down in every review I've seen

[18:37:04]

Paladine:

couple that with the truly innovative controlling system and all the new stuff the wii offers, I expect AMD are very pleased at acquiring ATI now :)

[18:37:11]

stuarta:

the wii is a lot of fun too :)

[18:37:20]

rogue780:

as far as overall satisfaction

[18:37:28]

Igg-man:

Is there a way that Myth could be cutting the playback speed in half because it isn't detecting the framerate correctly?

[18:37:33]

FairWtns:

rogue780 : Good question. You can copy VC games to the card, I know that.

[18:37:39]

Paladine:

from what I have read about the controllers, they are sensitive enough to be used with instructional software

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FairWtns:

I'm not sure about regular save files though.

[18:37:45]

Paladine:

like improving your gol swing

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Paladine:

etc

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Paladine:

ven dance, excercise amd martial arts

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Paladine:

s/gol/golf

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rogue780:

FairWtns, thanks

[18:40:04]

rogue780:

I like that you can transfer a mii to the wii-mote

[18:40:13]

rogue780:

wow this channel is soo off-topic

[18:40:15]

rogue780:

:)

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Paladine:

estimates so far state around 1.3M wii sold since november 19th

[18:40:36]

Paladine:

compared to just over 200k PS3's which went to market almost a week earlier

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juski:

OT is allowed. only illegal stuff isn't

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rogue780:

juski, ah

[18:41:17]

juski:

that said, it's not often the folks with voices have to flex their mod-fu

[18:41:33]

juski:

don't think I've ever seen anyone get kicked from here...

[18:41:34]

juski:

yet

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juski:

plenty of folks leave in a sulk, but that's something else ;)

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Paladine:

I even had a disagreement with an op the other day and didn't get banned

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rogue780:

mod-fu?

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Paladine:

which shows a level of maturity that is sadly lacking elsewhere on freenode

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juski:

never heard a bad thing about this network

[18:43:58]

juski:

but then I hardly move in 'w00t' circles

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Paladine:

the ubuntu ops can be pretty damn immature and are ban happy

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Paladine:

not all of them

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Paladine:

but a couple

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juski:

can't say I blame them tbh

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juski:

"how do I right click?"!"

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Igg-man:

juski: I'm having trouble with copy and paste

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juski:

don't tempt me

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FairWtns:

I can't believe that FTP is blocking my upgrade plans.

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TimothyP:

Hi, I have an ivtv specific question, but since there's not channel for it I'll try here. I have a PVR500 and I can view the input using mplayer /dev/video0 , but there's a delay. Now the PVR500 has a feature to get rid of this delay, to not encode it or something. does anybody know how to set this using ivtvctl?

[18:47:42]

rogue780:

juski, about that copy and paste...it took me about a year before I figured out the select-middle click thing. never had heard of it until we started using solaris at work

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juski:

TimothyP: you don't get rid of the delay.

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juski:

TimothyP: if you want zero lag for playing games, better get a software encoder framegrabber tuner card, but keep the pvr500 for mythtv

[18:48:45]

rogue780:

if it weren't for that delay thing I'd play my wii through mythtv. it'd be fun to record some of that cool shiznit

[18:48:47]

juski:

any ole cheap 'un will do

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Paladine:

rogue how customizable is the OS for wii?

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TimothyP:

but the PVR500 clearly says it supports playing games from consoles

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juski:

TimothyP: it doesn't, not in Linux

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TimothyP:

by not encoding

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TimothyP:

oh ok

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TimothyP:

:)

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TimothyP:

that's what I needed to know :p

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rogue780:

haven't gotten to in-depth ( just got it yesterday after waiting 13 hours)

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rogue780:

afk

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FairWtns:

I will not give up.

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D-side:

good for you.

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D-side:

you keep on truckin' young man.

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Sembiance:

|Atum|: Thank you VERY VERY much for your description. It was perfect :)

[18:56:32]

Cybertoy:

ok ... this is driving me nuts now

[18:56:33]

Sembiance:

Anyone here run HDHomerun ?

[18:56:42]

Cybertoy:

s/libmythvideo.so: undefined symbol: _ZN42_GLOBAL__N_videolist.cpp_00000000_D622D12317tree_view_to_flatERNS_13meta_di r_nodeERSt6vectorIP8MetadataSaIS4_EE

[18:56:47]

Cybertoy:

anyone seen that before??

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stuarta:

Cybertoy: time for a make distclean

[18:58:02]

Cybertoy:

that's what I just did .... :(

[18:58:14]

Cybertoy:

cleaned out all the myth stuff I had in /usr/local...

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Cybertoy:

distclean...

[18:58:20]

Cybertoy:

and make

[18:58:23]

Cybertoy:

and still the same thing

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FairWtns:

D-side : Hey man, long time no hear.

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stuarta:

verify you don't have it it /usr either

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D-side:

FairWtns: indeed.

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FairWtns:

Of course, that's because I wasn't here to listen. :)

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D-side:

FairWtns: i wasn't breaking anything actively then. :)

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Cybertoy:

stuarta, ok ... let me make sure...

[18:58:52]

FairWtns:

Any help on an ftp issue?

[18:59:00]

D-side:

i've already destroyed my setup to the point where i'm nearly ready to say screw it and get a DVR from the cable co. :D

[18:59:08]

FairWtns:

Breaking anything? What like 80's rock star style?

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D-side:

what kind of ftp issue?

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D-side:

like "it aint broke, so lets fix it"

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FairWtns:

I can log in to an ftp server, but it seems like incoming traffic is blocked. An 'ls' just hangs in ftp.

[18:59:50]

D-side:

try passive mode?

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stuarta:

FairWtns: try passive mode

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FairWtns:

I like that quote. Sounds like a t-shirt.

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FairWtns:

D-side : I tried wget --passive-ftp, but I get no confirmation that's actually working. I also can't figure out how to get sftp to do passive.

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FairWtns:

I'm trying to track down where my problem is. Gentoo's emerge won't ftp the files it needs on the GF's mythbox I have hear. But everything else on the network seems fine.

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D-side:

er

[19:03:46]

D-side:

sftp won't need passive mode, since its not technically ftp

[19:04:01]

FairWtns_:

Crappy router dropped me yet again.

[19:04:13]

FairWtns_:

D-side : So my problem seems to be elsewhere then.

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D-side:

FairWtns_: well.

[19:04:32]

FairWtns_:

I want to verify that the box allows the incoming traffic, but my network knowledge sucks.

[19:04:43]

D-side:

is this on your own lan?

[19:04:54]

D-side:

the (s)ftp server i mean

[19:04:59]

FairWtns_:

Yep. I figure start there, then we can work on the nets.

[19:05:05]

FairWtns_:

D-side : Yes, it's my other mythbox.

[19:05:48]

FairWtns_:

To get gentoo to download files (it uses wget) so I can upgrade to myth .20 for the gf.

[19:05:55]

D-side:

FairWtns_: psst. that was a msg. :D

[19:06:59]

FairWtns_:

I think I need to register before I can /msg. New to bitchX here too.....

[19:07:08]

FairWtns_:

D-side : Meanwhile, let me try links

[19:07:26]

D-side:

yeah you do. so you're the guy who still runs bx. fascinating. :D

[19:07:41]

D-side:

can you even get that box out on the web otherwise?

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FairWtns_:

D-side : Looks like links sends requests, doesn't get anything back.

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** FairWtns_ tries to figure out how to register his nick. **

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D-side:

doesn't get anything back?!

[19:10:07]

stuarta:

FairWtns: msg nickserv

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D-side:

what in the world have you done? :D

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FairWtns_:

D-side : Dunno. Just brought the box from the GF's house to mine.

[19:11:17]

D-side:

dhcp?

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D-side:

or does it have a static ip

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FairWtns_:

It gets an IP from the router fine (I set it to .103 on the router by MAC) and I can ssh in just fine.

[19:12:28]

D-side:

and i presume its gateway is set correctly also?

[19:12:59]

FairWtns_:

D-side : Good question....

[19:13:28]

D-side:

provided dhcp is working right it should be no problem.

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Sembiance:

FairWtns_: /msg nickserv help

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FairWtns_:

Sembiance ?

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Sembiance:

to register your nick

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FairWtns_:

Oh ah. I think that's done.

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FairWtns_:

Yep.

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FairWtns_:

Am I still on? Man what a day.

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Sembiance:

heh

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Cybertoy:

ok .. so I recomiled and re-installed everything and still get MythPlugin::Init() dlerror: /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythvideo.so: undefined symbol: _ZN42_GLOBAL__N_videolist.cpp_00000000_0305194717tree_view_to_flatERNS_13meta_di r_nodeERSt6vectorIP8MetadataSaIS4_EE

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Cybertoy:

the mythtv is 0.20 and pythplugins is 0.20a ... is that right?

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stuarta:

Cybertoy: what gcc are you using?

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Cybertoy:

gcc version 4.1.1 20061011 (Red Hat 4.1.1–30)

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Cybertoy:

doing this on Fedora Core 6

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stuarta:

have you tried the 0.20-fixes branch?

[19:28:32]

Cybertoy:

no...

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Cybertoy:

that the most stable?

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stuarta:

yes any issues discovered get put in there.

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Cybertoy:

ok ... let me go down that route then

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Cybertoy:

tnx.

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brunner:

hi all

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|Atum|:

Dagmar, my point about the switch being that if a hub is used all hosts will receive the conversation.

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Dagmar:

You mentioned a hub in there somewhere?

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Dagmar:

They still won't talk *to* the router unless they need to. They're just talking on the same segment is all.

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|Atum|:

Semantics :-)

[19:53:57]

Dagmar:

The NIC being able to see traffic is a different thing from actually payign attention to it.

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|Atum|:

The router will receive the conversation, regardless of whether or not they're being talked to

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Dagmar:

FOr one, no load on the host CPU.

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Dagmar:

For all practical purpose, the router does *not* recieve the conversation unless you push it into promisc mode.

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|Torg|:

actually Dagmar the router sees each and every packet. its how it makes decisions on where to send them. promic mode just tells teh router to ignore routing and push anything it sees out the monitor port

[19:56:03]

Dagmar:

...and even with a switch in place, there's about three to four ways one can try to convince it that you're on a bridging port, and some of the nicer switches will even let you configure a port as a bridging/relay port so that you can get all the traffic anyway

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brunner:

mythcommflag seems to have stopped working... what logs could I check to see what's causing the error?

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: Nope. Not on anything modern. The chip that connects directly to the wire handles all the layer 2 stuff. If the packet doesn't have the right (or an applicable) MAC address as the destination, it's discarded right then and there by the circtuis.

[19:57:17]

Dagmar:

s/circtuis/circuits/;

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|Torg|:

that chip is an asic, which we know as a layer 2 switch. Its deciding on what to send, ignore, pass or otherwise

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|Atum|:

Yeah Dagmar it depends on if it has an ASIC or not

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|Torg|:

if you have a higher end switch, one that has managemnet you can tell those chips to send the packets out a port anyway

[19:59:07]

Dagmar:

Just about everything has an ASIC now.

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|Torg|:

thats a monitor port

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|Torg|:

no just about, every thing

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|Torg|:

Applicaion Specifc Integrated Circuit

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Dagmar:

Nah, I used to deal with some ancient shit you had to actually load those drivers into the card.

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|Torg|:

the card is programed via firmware

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Dagmar:

YAY for variations on IBM's insane MCA

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|Torg|:

that firmware says "i am blah and only stuff for blah will I look at"

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|Torg|:

that *special* dirver simply says do not drop the packets that you think are not for you

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Dagmar:

Thomas-Conrad used to make 'em. They sucked large.

[20:01:36]

Dagmar:

...they also made a lot of fuggly twinax and spiteful token ring crap.

[20:01:47]

Dagmar:

...which is why they ain't doin' that much anymore. heh

[20:02:17]

Dagmar:

I do *not* miss the days of the XT.

[20:04:12]

Dagmar:

I will admit I liked their token ring stuff for it's abuse factor.

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Dagmar:

It took very little to make them start keeping the tokens, emitting "you over there, you're broken and should stop talking" commands, and my personal favorite, arbitrary discarding of other hosts packets.

[20:05:30]

Dagmar:

All the wondermous things you suspected would be possible to abuse on a TR network. :)

[20:06:01]

Dagmar:

If I had a byline it would be "Makin' shit break since 1982."

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rtsai:

xris: mythweb/tv/detail can't find storagegroup_select

[20:14:02]

xris:

rtsai: make sure everything is up to date with svn

[20:14:08]

rtsai:

i just updated

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xris:

blow away the modules directory and re-svn-up

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rtsai:

xris: still seeing it: http://pastebin.ca/273313

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rtsai:

nm. I had to also blow away includes/

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rtsai:

sorry

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d-c_64:

hello, i'm having trouble with the tv guide, I tried running mythfilldatabase and saw " /mythtv/.mythtv/xmltv does not exist, run me with --configure"...... erm what exactly to i run with --configure?

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xris:

rtsai: np

[20:20:05]

xris:

for some reason a lot of people have been having trouble with that.

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d-c_64:

do i run* ^^^

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xris:

I moved a bunch of files and for some reason, svn isn't deleting the old ones.

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|Torg|:

where do I find out what each of the letters on the OSD for the signal lock represnet? LAMVG

[20:23:33]

fryfrog:

does anyone know if its possible to force nodes to change on firewire?

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|Torg|:

ok who here uses a dvb card tht is not ATSC?

[20:41:48]

Cybertoy:

stuarta, ok .. fixes branch now works.

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Cybertoy:

tnx...

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stuarta:

np

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stuarta:

|Torg|: me!

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|Torg|:

ok stuarta when you lock onto a signal what status letters does it give you?

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|Torg|:

Im assuimng the LAMVG I get for my ATSCs map back to status codes

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stuarta:

yup.

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|Torg|:

ok where are those code :P

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stuarta:

L = Lock, A=PAT, M=PMT

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|Torg|:

sm_flags_to_string seems to be what is called, but Id like to see which codes resporesnt what

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|Torg|:

V and G?

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|Torg|:

G= MGT?

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stuarta:

V=VCT

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|Torg|:

ok that was my guess, now what headder is all that in :)

[20:45:18]

stuarta:

and that sounds right for G

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stuarta:

what header? as in the source?

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|Torg|:

yes

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|Torg|:

signalmonitor.h has teh sm_flags_to_str but its assinig 3 letter strings

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stuarta:

signalmonitor classes

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|Torg|:

AddFlag and RemoveFlag refers back to the sm_flags_to_str

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|Torg|:

nohitng has where kDTVSigMon_PATSeen = A, etc

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|Torg|:

at least I cant find it

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stuarta:

it'll be in the dev specific classes

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stuarta:

dvbsignalmonitor etc

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|Torg|:

yes I can see there dtvsignalmonitor.h assings it but again not what implitcly is A, M, etc

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rogue780:

Wii!!

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|Torg|:

dont break your tv

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nordle:

hello, quick question, mp3quality.... is 1 the best and 10 the worst?

[20:59:22]

nordle:

when setting up the transcoding options, ie codecparams.

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|Torg|:

are you taking about the algorithm?

[21:01:13]

nordle:

there is a sliding bar to set the transcode options, sliding 1–10 for mp3quality, but I dont know which is the high quality.

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nordle:

mythtv 0.20

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|Torg|:

well it it makes to psycho acustins algorithing in liblame, which is what you would be using to encode mp3s, then yes lower (meaning scan more) is better quality

[21:02:33]

|Torg|:

2 is about as high as you want to go, unless you have extreme high end audio equpment an very good hearing

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys

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Mattwj2005:

I ordered a XBOX.....I am going to softmod it to make it into a media center :)

[21:07:43]

nordle:

Thanks for the confirmation, I thought that was the case, but the sound seems very harsh, I've set it to quality 3 and 44100, but it seemed harsh/raspy like it was 11,000 and 64k/sec or something.

[21:08:08]

nordle:

did my last msg about 11,000 come through? I lost my NIC....again.....

[21:08:44]

nordle:

crappy mobo based gigabit thing keeps dying, have to remove module, then reload kernel module to bring it back to life for another 5 hours, then it dies again :(

[21:09:35]

Mattwj2005:

anyone else have xbox frontends?

[21:10:22]

|Torg|:

yes, why

[21:10:38]

mishehu:

dataja – don't ask to ask, just ask.

[21:10:43]

Mattwj2005:

just wondering....what do you think of it?

[21:10:52]

Mattwj2005:

does it work pretty well?

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|Torg|:

works fine, but I dont use it

[21:11:06]

Mattwj2005:

why not?

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|Torg|:

becase I have two DVB ATSC tuners

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Mattwj2005:

oh that makes sense

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CharlieSu:

has anyone ever installed just a backed for mythtv on a server without a monitor, do you forward X11 for myth-setup or what?

[21:16:01]

stuarta:

that is what you would do, yes.

[21:16:37]

CharlieSu:

cool.. wasn't sure

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Mattwj2005:

|Torg| is that the Silicondust HDHomeRun by chance?

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zmattor:

How can i get vlc to change channels?

[21:18:15]

stuarta:

dunno, this is #mythtv

[21:18:58]

zmattor:

well then whats a good way of testing the capture card before i install mythtv??

[21:19:40]

stuarta:

kaffeine works

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Mattwj2005:

I like kaffeine especially in Diet Mt Dew :P

[21:20:16]

zmattor:

htanks

[21:21:33]

jams:

hate it when I get about halfway through code changes, then loose motivation for it

[21:23:40]

|Torg|:

do svn subversions for trunk and fixes sync together?

[21:24:47]

stuarta:

things that qualify as bug fixes get backported

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|Torg|:

no I switched to the fixes brach after having some instabilty with the trunk branch

[21:26:12]

|Torg|:

but the subversion numers (that I was tracking it from) seem to be the same on both branches

[21:26:30]

|Torg|:

so I guess I need to find antoher way to differntite my packages

[21:26:47]

stuarta:

svn has a single version number for the whole repository

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|Torg|:

ahh makes sence now

[21:27:51]

|Torg|:

I was calling the pacages by svn versions

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|Torg|:

i mythplugins 12209–1 MythTV Plugins

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|Torg|:

ii mythtv 12209–20 MythTV

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|Torg|:

so I guess I need a new way to tell which is newer, and what branh it came from

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juski:

so – all gamed out, might aswell take a look at projectgrayhem's watermarks & make them not suck

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Cybertoy:

holy smokes

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Krazylegz:

juski: Watermarks?

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Cybertoy:

it's all starting to work!

[21:42:58]

** Krazylegz hopes juski doesn't ruin his favorite themes :-) **

[21:43:12]

rogue780:

does anyone here use a VIA EPIA board?

[21:43:25]

stuarta:

Cybertoy: that's good :)

[21:44:11]

Cybertoy:

yep .. what a pain though ... I'm using skystar 2 dvb card

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Cybertoy:

with all the patching so that the scanning works etc.

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stuarta:

driver patching?

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Cybertoy:

stuarta, no .. mythtv patching...

[21:44:56]

stuarta:

what did you need doing?

[21:45:05]

Cybertoy:

stuarta, it seems like the channel scanning doesn't work natively...

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|Torg|:

siscan.h?

[21:45:12]

Cybertoy:

at least I could never tune into a channel...

[21:45:15]

Cybertoy:

yes... the siscan stuff

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|Torg|:

sasc?

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stuarta:

could you prepare a diff of your changes?

[21:45:31]

Cybertoy:

I haven't gone to sasc yet...

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|Torg|:

you know we dont talk about that, right?

[21:45:48]

Cybertoy:

yes

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Cybertoy:

I know

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Cybertoy:

I'm tuned into a pure FTA channel now though ...

[21:46:15]

|Torg|:

well you dont need to patch siscan.h to get it to scan properly, only if you want to add NID to it

[21:46:19]

Cybertoy:

that never worked before either with the skystar 2 card

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stuarta:

i've been doing much work on scanning, so i'll review your changes with a view to committing it

[21:46:35]

quantum:

I am having a problem. I have two sound cards in my system. I am running kde. I have changed /etc/modprobe.conf and .asoundrc, but they don't seem to do anything. Anyway I think proceeded to change mythtv general setup from dsp to dsp1 and I get audio, I just can't adjust the volume

[21:46:37]

juski:

Krazylegz: yeah the pictures which are associated with menu items

[21:46:50]

juski:

Krazylegz: be honest some of the projectgrayhem ones STINK

[21:46:59]

quantum:

does anyone have any idea what is wrong. I am suspecting it is somthing wrong with the driver, but it may just be a setup issue

[21:47:01]

Cybertoy:

stuarta, not sure... I'm using patches in conjunction with software we're not speaking of here. so dunno if this is useful to you.

[21:47:01]

zmattor:

How do i tell the pvr card to get the signal from the tv-in

[21:47:10]

Krazylegz:

I prefer blootube at the moment anywya.

[21:47:31]

|Torg|:

blootube sucks

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** |Torg| hides from juski **

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Krazylegz:

!trout |Torg|

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** MythLogBot slaps |Torg| with a trout on behalf of Krazylegz... **

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stuarta:

ah right, is the scanning issue reproducible on plain myth

[21:48:02]

juski:

|Torg|: talk to the hand girlfriend

[21:48:06]

quantum:

if I try to run alsamixer it complains: ALSA lib simple_none.c:1216:(simple_add1) helem (MIXER,'Front Playback Volume',0,0,0) appears twice or more

[21:48:13]

|Torg|:

I told ya man, it needs to be green

[21:48:13]

quantum:

whatever the heck that means

[21:48:14]

stuarta:

because i would assume it is...

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juski:

|Torg|: bring out the GIMP, and it shall be greenish for you

[21:48:57]

** stuarta hands |Torg| some green paint **

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|Torg|:

I could just adjust the tv too :P

[21:49:07]

Cybertoy:

stuarta, well ... yeah .. if I tried to scan with plain mythtv I always got the same channels on every transponder

[21:49:19]

stuarta:

interesting.

[21:49:41]

Cybertoy:

but that might be related to the LNB's I'm using...

[21:49:46]

juski:

|Torg|: yeah just use an NTSC TV

[21:50:05]

Cybertoy:

stuarta, and those LNB's are only in use for TV that you need "other" stuff for.

[21:50:36]

quantum:

I am able to get kmix to run but again it doesn't seem like it does anything. How do I determine which sound card it is controling?

[21:51:49]

quantum:

if I change modprobe.conf sound card stuff what do I need to do to make the changes take affect?

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|Torg|:

blacklist

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|Torg|:

hmm I guess release-0-20-fixes > 0–20 :)

[21:54:03]

quantum:

I found EMU10K1 is pci0000:00:09.1/gameport0, io 0xd400, speed 1242kHz in my boot sequence

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|Torg|:

blacklist the one you dont want

[21:57:50]

GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: I did some research, turns out the 360 will not recognize ANY upnp media server if it doesn't report it's modem name as "Windows Media Connect" :)

[21:57:59]

GreyFoxx:

s/modem/model/

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stuarta:

typical

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|Torg|:

so lie and call the server Windows Media Connect :)

[21:58:28]

GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: I'm considering doing just that

[21:58:34]

GreyFoxx:

since it's not something we really care about

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|Torg|:

or at the least, simply make it an option

[21:59:01]

quantum:

after I change the modprobe.conf file what do I need to do to make the changes take affect

[21:59:20]

GreyFoxx:

I'll likely make it optional. I plan to add a config page for the upnp options since there are several that the code looks to the database for now but a user can't edit unless they access the db manually

[21:59:45]

GreyFoxx:

I also wrote an additional X_MS_MediaReceiverRegistrar upnp service last night for the 360 and other players that look for it

[22:00:17]

GreyFoxx:

It's for DRM stuff, basically the player says "I'd like to join the network" and later "Can I play this file?"

[22:00:17]

quantum:

well guess I'll just try a reboot

[22:00:23]

GreyFoxx:

so I fake a yes to everything :)

[22:00:30]

|Torg|:

HAHA

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|Torg|:

Id just like to see teh 360 stream one of my 1080i recordings for once

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BULLE:

GreyFoxx: any clues if you will get the 360 to play video ?

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|Torg|:

yes BULLE that is the goal

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BULLE:

nice

[22:03:40]

|Torg|:

technically there is nothing stopping the 360 other then M$ fucking with upnp

[22:03:58]

|Torg|:

it works fine with djmount

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GreyFoxx:

BULLE: Eventually it will yeah

[22:06:06]

GreyFoxx:

Just learning all of the "quirks" in it's support

[22:06:34]

GreyFoxx:

they are very inconsistant with their upnp support and methods

[22:06:41]

|Torg|:

well I can remve the fixes brank and put back the trunk branh

[22:06:42]

GreyFoxx:

funny since it was their standard

[22:06:51]

BULLE:

GreyFoxx: why am i not suprised =)

[22:06:55]

|Torg|:

im sure its for "security"

[22:07:12]

|Torg|:

it ignores ICMP as well

[22:07:26]

GreyFoxx:

the 360 handles photos using a SEARCH instead of a BROWSE, Music Uses a BROWSE, it's all very odd

[22:08:06]

stuarta:

sounds like 2 different groups implementing there own code

[22:08:15]

GreyFoxx:

I had to go into the office and while someone accessed their colo gear so I say there reading RFC's and whipping off another upnp service

[22:08:22]

GreyFoxx:

stuarta: YUp that's what I'm thinking

[22:09:04]

GreyFoxx:

and of course the null packet they shove at the end of one of their SSDP notifies (against spec) which triggered 100% cpu usage in mythbackend

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|Torg|:

for some reason I think that intnetional

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GreyFoxx:

well, I'm going for a nap hehe, bbiab

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|Torg|:

ok GreyFoxx , im gona try the rename bit to see if it works

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stuarta:

damn audio buffer overflows....

[22:16:54]

stuarta:

oh come on! i'm only trying to edit this recording....

[22:17:22]

|Torg|:

how do I tell whch svn vrsion I have already?

[22:17:42]

stuarta:

do svn info in the root of the checkout

[22:17:51]

|Torg|:

and stuarta wait untill they bcast trash mpegs at you, my logs go nuts

[22:18:02]

juski:

ugh. all of the PG watermarks are stinky

[22:18:10]

|Torg|:

thanks stuarta that works

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** stuarta does a lot of svn **

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juski:

stuarta: do you ever have any bother with recordings from bbc3?

[22:18:40]

|Torg|:

now if I could jsut gt checkinstall to look at that and quit with all the damn questions

[22:18:45]

stuarta:

not that i can remember

[22:18:54]

juski:

this problem where my frontend hangs seems only to happen on bbc3 shows

[22:19:06]

juski:

hangs at the very end of shows.. it's weird

[22:19:14]

juski:

can also do it during ffw

[22:19:59]

stuarta:

put --verbose playback on and lets see what we get.

[22:20:08]

juski:

I'm starting to narrow it down some. I'm gonna need to get my frontend to make logs on an NFS share

[22:21:04]

juski:

bit late to play with it now but I'll take a peek tomorrow maybe. it's not a big deal now I know it's not a calamity ;)

[22:21:39]

juski:

so much for playing with slack this weekend.. got no blank media

[22:21:56]

BULLE:

juski: netinstall!

[22:22:19]

juski:

you need meeja to boot from to netinstall

[22:22:36]

juski:

usb booting is slow as fuck on that box

[22:22:38]

BULLE:

you dont have any working os on the machine ?

[22:22:54]

juski:

I do, but I wanna keep it intact

[22:23:07]

BULLE:

yeah, but you can install, from that os, onto new partitions

[22:23:10]

juski:

just so's I have a worky frontend while I'm messing

[22:23:11]

BULLE:

if that os, is linux

[22:23:17]

juski:

yeah I know

[22:23:36]

juski:

trouble is I installed it in a hurry so I'd have to resize partitions & crap

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juski:

that's the issue when you've got a busy frontend.. no time to play with it

[22:24:26]

juski:

I finish work for 2006 next Friday :)

[22:24:44]

stuarta:

no fair.

[22:24:51]

juski:

all dayers & late nights :)

[22:25:02]

juski:

it's very fair

[22:25:28]

juski:

had my salary review (what there was of it) yesterday & my boss mentioned I seemed to have loads of days left

[22:25:28]

stuarta:

spose, i'm off to australia in 12 days :)

[22:25:48]

juski:

can't carry em over, so I asked for em off, despite my opposite number also being off then

[22:25:53]

juski:

boss said yes!

[22:26:22]

stuarta:

woohoo

[22:26:49]

juski:

so there's not gonna be anyone to do shitty jobs like make null modem cables & the lab will be a total shite tip when we get back but hey..

[22:27:29]

stuarta:

just lock it

[22:28:31]

** stuarta makes a cup of tea **

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|Torg|:

stuarta make me one too will ya

[22:29:12]

juski:

haha chance'd be a fine thing. we have a keyfob thingy but everyone's got access, the bastards. and they never tidy up after themselves. so guess why I'm always in a shitty mood ;)

[22:29:49]

|Torg|:

pkg – warning, overriding problem because --force enabled:

[22:29:50]

|Torg|:

trying to overwrite `/root/.distcc/lock/cpu_localhost_0', which is also in package mythtv

[22:30:01]

|Torg|:

somoen wana explin why mythtv is trying to install my distcc status file

[22:30:23]

juski:

er... nope

[22:30:39]

|Torg|:

I dont really care, it just bugs me

[22:30:49]

|Torg|:

dunno where in teh hell it got that idea from

[22:31:32]

juski:

it's no use. I don't love projectgrayhem anymore

[22:31:47]

juski:

time for the parting of ways I think

[22:32:00]

|Torg|:

what no love for the old stuff, sorta superfical aint it :P

[22:32:07]

juski:

leave it as it is, but do any fixes that need doing as time goes by

[22:32:23]

juski:

heh. I'm allowed, seen as it's my baby

[22:33:06]

juski:

4:3 version of blootube next, and then I have some more ideas

[22:33:18]

juski:

some more er.. memory efficient ideas

[22:33:52]

juski:

a 4MB theme.. that'd be a first for me

[22:34:21]

juski:

anyway.. time for a lounge

[22:35:25]

stuarta:

no idea.

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ShiftyPowers:

anybooooody around?

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** stuarta hides **

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ShiftyPowers:

:)

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** |Torg| hides behind stuarta **

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ShiftyPowers:

so, does anybody know why once I've scheduled a recording through MythWeb and the recording happens, it doesn't show up under Watch Recordings

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ShiftyPowers:

?

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|Torg|:

under Recorded Programs you mean?

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah, so i record something from livetv

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ShiftyPowers:

but then it doesn't show up under Watch Recordings

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stuarta:

ah, there's an option for that

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ShiftyPowers:

only the stuff that was just on TV shows up

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ShiftyPowers:

ah there is an option?

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ShiftyPowers:

where abooots?

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stuarta:

hang on, only livetv stuff shows up?

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah

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ShiftyPowers:

or like just recorded livetv stuff

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stuarta:

hit 'm' while in watch recordnigs

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ShiftyPowers:

but not hte stuff i recorded in the middle of the night for example

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ShiftyPowers:

k hold on

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ShiftyPowers:

let me see

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ShiftyPowers:

also my mythfrontend is painfully slow to load

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ShiftyPowers:

and sometimes through the menus, anyone have any performance tweaks?

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ShiftyPowers:

ah the "m" during Watch Recordings worked great stuarta

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ShiftyPowers:

thanks man

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stuarta:

:)

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ShiftyPowers:

so when i start mythfrontend

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ShiftyPowers:

it takes forever to start

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|Torg|:

how often do you switch themes or osd?

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ShiftyPowers:

not very often

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ShiftyPowers:

but recently i've been starting and closing the client a lot since i've been finalizing my setup

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ShiftyPowers:

i'm running blootube-wide

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stuarta:

that'll be why

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stuarta:

it's the heaviest theme around

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ShiftyPowers:

ah

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ShiftyPowers:

gotcha

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ShiftyPowers:

makes sense

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ShiftyPowers:

so hopefully when i get my nvidia card things will be slightly faster

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|Torg|:

how fast is your cpu and how much memory is in your system

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ShiftyPowers:

512mb on a p4 2.4C with a 9600pro ati

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ShiftyPowers:

but i just ordered an nvidia 6200

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ShiftyPowers:

fanless

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|Torg|:

dont use blootube

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|Torg|:

that or at the very least soubble the memory

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ShiftyPowers:

which one is lightweight ? mythcenter wide

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|Torg|:

minimal

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|Torg|:

all of them cache the pngs and them in memory tho

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah, was goign to get more memory too then

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ShiftyPowers:

where in the options i sthe option to change the OSD?

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|Torg|:

playback

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ShiftyPowers:

ah in playback cool

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ShiftyPowers:

does "minimal" theme look good in wide?

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|Torg|:

thats an opionion

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ShiftyPowers:

:)

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ShiftyPowers:

ok gotcha well at least it's good to know that blootube is probably the problem

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afm:

evening all

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afm:

anyone have any clue why I'd be able to play mp3's and mpgs but not avi's with my Audigy2 alsa card?

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LLyric:

codec presumably

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LLyric:

avi is just a container, it'll contain codecs for both audio and video

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afm:

i downloaded the xine-extracodecs

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afm:

xineplug_dmx_avi.so

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LLyric:

depends on your codec.

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LLyric:

play it from the command line, with mplayer, and look at what it says

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newbie0051:

hello, I'm installing a system, I like some advice for partitions

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone know how to get mythvideo to periodically or automatically refresh the video database?

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newbie0051:

I have 1 gig of memory and a 300 gig hard drive, does 1 gig swap, 100 gig system and 199 gig for video sound good?

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stuarta:

ShiftyPowers: just go into the setup occasionally

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newbie0051:

the 199 would be XFC and the 100 would be ext2

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stuarta:

newbie0051: 100Gb for system is excessive.

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ShiftyPowers:

stuarta that's what i've been doing

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ShiftyPowers:

but unfortunately i download some shows every night and it would be useful to have them show up

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newbie0051:

should I seperate the videos partition from the /home ?

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stuarta:

newbie0051: yes, i'd say 250G recordings

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natoka:

newbie0051: would be better to split down the 'system' into / /usr and /var at least and i suggest using lvm if you don't know how much space to allocate since you could always change it then ...

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newbie0051:

is the ubuntu distro a good choice?

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|Torg|:

yes, but thats a matter of opionion

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|Torg|:

what do you want to do with it?

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newbie0051:

as a home desktop, and to record video, later I might set up a web service to send out videos

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newbie0051:

simple webpage

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|Torg|:

then yes, its good for a desktop

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newbie0051:

ok,, I'll give it a shot,,

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newbie0051:

thanks

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newbie0051:

oh what about the partition,, someone told me that the swap should be 2x the size of the memory,, another said that 40Mb would be good

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natoka:

newbie0051: twice the memory is a rule of thumb

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newbie0051:

thanks for your help..

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natoka:

newbie0051: which normally applies for server systems

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natoka:

newbie0051: but 40Mb is quite low on the other hand

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|Torg|:

telling someone the size is plain stupid

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|Torg|:

whoever told you that does not know what swap is for

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newbie0051:

is there a way I can tell what card are installed ?

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|Torg|:

1x total physical memory min, 2x total physica max

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|Torg|:

lspci

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newbie0051:

actually there full advice was that they don't use swap at all

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|Torg|:

then they dont know what swap is for

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newbie0051:

I thought it was bad advice

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newbie0051:

if I do a lspci will that tell me what I need to know to determine if my capture card is compatible?

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|Torg|:

you can turn ram into swap, but mostly with no swap the least that will happen is your box will come to a crawl

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|Torg|:

some distros will simply crash outright

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|Torg|:

an lspci will tell you waht the device told the PCI bus when it started

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|Torg|:

its a good inidication of what chip etc

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|Torg|:

speficly each card has an identifier you could go look up

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|Torg|:

if you REALLY want the info use -v on the end "lspci -v"

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|Torg|:

but its generally not necessary

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newbie0051:

there is a bunch of usb stuff, drives, firewire,, I can't tell what is what,,

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newbie0051:

I think I'll just try it

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EnterUserName:

hi all

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EnterUserName:

does anyone know of a CHEAP pci svideo graphsc card

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EnterUserName:

my darn card can't handle 3 inputs. If I Put a DVI/VGA in the svideo does not work :(

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newbie0051:

thanks

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Zider:

EnterUserName: you mean 3 outputs? :P

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EnterUserName:

Or does anyone know a cheap video card that can handle 3 outputs :)

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EnterUserName:

Zider: ya. :)

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EnterUserName:

i recognized my mistake afterwarsd :)

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EnterUserName:

im so upset.. i was like yay, got 2 monitors.. i'll hook em up

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stuarta:

they don't make em

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EnterUserName:

they dont make PCI Svideo cards :S

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EnterUserName:

:(

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stuarta:

you can however get a 4 output card :)

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|Torg|:

is it a card, or is it on the motherbard?

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EnterUserName:

Torg: its a card

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|Torg|:

do you know what slot its in?

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EnterUserName:

Nvidia GFORCE 7300 GT

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EnterUserName:

pci express

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Zider:

EnterUserName: almost any nvidia works well imo

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