Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, December 4th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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|Torg|:

as long as you dont mind waiting antoher 15 mins :)

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GreyFoxx:

sure :)

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|Torg|:

im goan try to remove the object it compild to and se if I cn relink, its faster if it works :)

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GreyFoxx:

actually the fastest is to apply the patch

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GreyFoxx:

cd to libs/libmythupnp

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GreyFoxx:

and then make;make install

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|Torg|:

yes but I removd the object it chnged

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GreyFoxx:

it will compile and update the library only

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iamlindoro:

Hi all... I can control the volume in software when watching videos in mythtv (using my remote) but not when watching live TV or recordings... any suggestions?

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|Torg|:

teh patch is to the upnpcdsmusic.cpp file in the programs/mythbackend directry

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|Torg|:

my guess if this works, is it will only patch music

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh right

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GreyFoxx:

you can build specifically in there too :)

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GreyFoxx:

it should have touched the tv one as well

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|Torg|:

no it dosnt seem to work

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GreyFoxx:

k

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GreyFoxx:

well now that the cpu thing is done getting the 360 to see the stuff will have to wait til I hve access to one or someone else does it :)

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|Torg|:

root@jachin:~/trunk/mythtv/programs/mythbackend# md5sum mythbackend

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|Torg|:

33a364699a247ba3893d52303b1c5980 mythbackend

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|Torg|:

root@jachin:~/trunk/mythtv/programs/mythbackend# md5sum /usr/local/bin/mythbackend

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|Torg|:

33a364699a247ba3893d52303b1c5980 /usr/local/bin/mythbackend

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|Torg|:

just to illustrte what I compiled is what is installed

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|Torg|:

getting my 360 to play vieo from my BE would be novel but I have a FE for that :)

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Led-Hed:

when I insert a DVD for some reason it brings up the gallery, is there a way to change the behavior associated with DVD's?

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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iamlindoro:

anyone have any idea on how to help me with controlling live tv audio? am forced to manually change it at the reciever right now

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DrMitch:

help! if i use a different program to watch tv, like tvtime or xawtv, i can hear audio (because it's not recording the audio from Aux. but if I start up myth, i don't hear the audio. I have selected "CAPTURE" for Aux but still nothing. can anyone help?

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx how do I get that xml from a upnp server?

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tormen0815:

Isn't it possible to have mysql with utf8 support, but nevertheless use mythtv with german umlauts?!

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iamlindoro:

Hmmmm... now that I listen to it, the internal mythtv volume controls ARE working, but are only controlling one channel-- center... rear right and left still stay at max volume... can ANYONE help with this?

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Led-Hed:

what filesystem is a typical audio cd?

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xris:

Led-Hed: I don't think it's a filesystem per se

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bedboi:

hi there

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Led-Hed:

humm. when I try to mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom it asks for a filesystem

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|Torg|:

umm I cant even ping the 360, some sort of fucked up secruity I would think

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bedboi:

i've just make && make installed mythtv 0.20, but when running mythtv (after configuring it with mythtv-setup and running mythbackend) it tells me that it can't find backend

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xris:

bedboi: run mythfrontend, not mythtv

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bedboi:

k

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bedboi:

what's mythtv?

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xris:

the tv viewer

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bedboi:

hmm that's the same thing

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xris:

no

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bedboi:

i mean

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xris:

same error?

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bedboi:

yes

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bedboi:

if i try to watch tv

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xris:

is mythbackend running?

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bedboi:

yep it is

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xris:

sure?

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bedboi:

but wait...

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bedboi:

xris: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/gRCOfU13.html

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Led-Hed:

I'm having a problem with mythmusic. if I have a CD in the drive and try to edit the play list the frontend dies. If I remove the CD the all is good. Tried several CD's all same results. I have autofs disabled, does mythmusic require the CD be mounted?

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bedboi:

xris: do you think it's not started?

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xris:

bedboi: hard to say.. it doesn't daemonize itself, so if it stopped, it's stopped.

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bedboi:

ah, it sould return

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bedboi:

?

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xris:

huh?

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DrMitch:

i can't get my audio card to capture audio from either mic input OR line in ... can anyone help?

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xris:

bedboi: usually, one runs mythbackend via an init script

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Led-Hed:

DrMitch, are the inputs muted?

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bedboi:

xris: so i should run it as root?

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xris:

if you run it by hand and it errors and spits you back at the command prompt, then it didn't start.

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xris:

bedboi: read the error message

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DrMitch:

i tried cranking up every last one in aumix and in alsamixer

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Led-Hed:

night all

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DrMitch:

i have my Aux volume muted, but i have "Capture" set to Aux and capture volume is at 100%.

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DrMitch:

when i unmute the aux volume, i hear the audio (lagged) so i know that's the correct input

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bedboi:

xris: actually i tried to telnet 127.0.0.1 6543 but it doesn't bind

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xris:

bedboi: ps axf | grep myth

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bedboi:

5377 pts/1 Sl+ 0:00 | \_ mythbackend

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xris:

bedboi: looks like it's running

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xris:

BUT. do you understand what that error message says?

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xris:

you're not going to get any TV until you fix that.

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bedboi:

xris: but it seems that there's nothing listening on 6543 port

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xris:

bedboi: and that error is likely a good reason.

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xris:

it's not worth pursuing further until you fix the blatant error message the backend is giving you

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bedboi:

hmmm even if i installed libdvb-dev ./configure complains about not compiling DVB support

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tank-man:

anyone here familiar with mythcommflag and how to get it to output skip/cut list as seconds instead of frames? trying to make .edl for mplayer

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juski:

heyo. blootube-wide_beta1.4 is now available from www.juski.co.uk

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juski:

that is all

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|Torg|:

juski whats that site run off of?

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juski:

no idea

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juski:

some server somewhere

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juski:

it's apache I think

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GreyFoxx:

It is

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GreyFoxx:

Server: Apache/1.3.33 (Unix)

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juski:

my website restructuring is still very much in progress, so it's all gonna move again soon

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juski:

had over 50 hits in 24 hours, not bad seeing as the majority of it is coming from the wiki

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juski:

dunno how many downloads though

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iamlindoro:

You're getting a download right now. ;) Looks nice

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iamlindoro:

and since I'm running your project grayhem right now anyway....

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juski:

I know that's nothing but for a nobody like me it's not bad ;)

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|Torg|:

no I was wondering abouth the bandwidth

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juski:

let me put it this way. if I was running it from home there'd be _no_ bandwidth! ;)

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|Torg|:

I got pleanty downstream, its up I want

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juski:

heh. same here

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juski:

getting 35KB/sec uploads to the ftp server

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iamlindoro:

juski: 1.3 seems to be the latest version downloadable on your page... where is 1.4?

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iamlindoro:

oh, found it

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juski:

whoops I didn't update the text

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juski:

the linky is up to date though

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iamlindoro:

yeah, gotcha

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iamlindoro:

one of the pages still links to the 1.3 version

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iamlindoro:

screenshot page I think

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|Torg|:

whats new in 1.4?

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juski:

I'll pull the download link off that page

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juski:

read the README.txt

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cesman:

juski: blootube looks nice!

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cesman:

I'll have to add it to my next release

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juski:

thanks cesman

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juski:

its big mind!

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juski:

though this release is a little smaller than the last

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juski:

removed some unused graphics

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iamlindoro:

I'm building my parents a myth box for christmas... think this will be just the ticket

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juski:

it's heavy on RAM too, especially if you run at HD resolutions

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|Torg|:

not too bad tho

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AndyCap:

heh, mythfrontend kills my machine at 1920x1200

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|Torg|:

i wish there was a way to differtiate whats the theme and not in the frontend

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juski:

I still need to change some graphics, but it's virtually finished now

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|Torg|:

mine keep getting the mythweather icon stuck in it for some strang reason

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juski:

I'll look at that. maybe renaming logo.png to mythlogo.png in the theme root & adjusting base.xml accordingly will fix that for you

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|Torg|:

thanks, I have to kill the caches otherwise

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juski:

I think (not sure) that I did away with weather-ui.xml – check it's not in the blootube-wide dir

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|Torg|:

yes its repalcing the icon

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|Torg|:

either the mythtv icon gets replaced by the weather icon or vice versa

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juski:

thing is though on my frontend it uses the same icon for mythweather

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|Torg|:

cached named maybe?

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juski:

maybe

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juski:

that'd be a bug-ette I think

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juski:

but one easily worked around

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juski:

try what I suggested & reload mythfrontend

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juski:

if that works for you I'll put it in 1.5

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juski:

anybody considering putting this theme into their packages (and you, cesman) – _please_ leave it a while because it's still in beta

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juski:

tweaking ;)

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juski:

I don't want bug reports for old versions :)

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|Torg|:

ok im reloading gdm now

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cesman:

juski: now you tell me :)

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juski:

restarting mythfrontend woulda been enough |Torg| :)

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juski:

cesman: it's _almost_ there

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** jams types rm blootube.pkg.tar.gz **

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cesman:

please, let me know when it is

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|Torg|:

its easier to do /etc/init.d/gdm restart anyway

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|Torg|:

90% of my start time is mythfe loading

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juski:

when I bump it to 1.0 there'll be a bit of a fanfare, k?

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|Torg|:

btw a reload didnt fix it

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juski:

|Torg|: did you rename logo.png to mythlogo.png and change base.xml?

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|Torg|:

can we donate to your tab at the pub :)

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|Torg|:

no I didnt, let me try that

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** iamlindoro finally gets blootube downloaded and running... "Ooooh, purty." **

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juski:

like I said if it works, I'll put it into 1.5

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juski:

whoops beta1.5

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|Torg|:

try the osd, its the best part

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** kenvandine just switched to blootube... nice! **

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iamlindoro:

juski: on both this theme and project grayhem, the posters for individual movies have the bottoms cropped off-- is this intentional?

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iamlindoro:

not in gallery view, but when you select a single movie

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juski:

yeah – great.. but please give it a bit of a workout – try parts you don't normally play with if you don't mind. I'd like it to be as perfect as possible before it goes to 1.0

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burner:

juski, i think the download-link on http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/btosd.html is a bit off :p

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juski:

no, it's intentional

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juski:

you can read, so there's no problem, right? ;)

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juski:

in these early stages the last thing I wanna do is have to keep updating reams of pages

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iamlindoro:

I can read, but it's a bummer when it cuts off half the title on a movie poster

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|Torg|:

I cant read, im illiterate

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burner:

juski, yeah i'm cool:) but the link for the theme was directly to the file.. so..

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juski:

iamlindoro: that wasn't directed at you

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juski:

burner: hey stop hassling me ;)

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iamlindoro:

oh, my bad. :)

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burner:

;)

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lightspeedbiker:

QUESTION: how to I confirm my backend directory to hold recordings is /var/lib/mythtv ?

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** GreyFoxx pondersagain ripping all of his DVD's **

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lightspeedbiker:

Torg, can you answer a quick question...?

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juski:

iamlindoro: like I said, it's still in the tweaking stages. the video poster stuff is quite tricky anyway

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|Torg|:

yes but im tesign juskis theme right now, what did you want to know?

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iamlindoro:

juski: no problem, figured you were aware of it, not trying to be a pain in the ass

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burner:

juski, thank you for the theme btw! its great :)

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lightspeedbiker:

ok Torg, thanks How to I verfy / change my backend directory to hold recordings.. I need it set to /var/lib/mythtv

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|Torg|:

change the seting, via mythttv-setup usuauly

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|Torg|:

then if you have old recordings its a bit hard. copy evrything to theat new directory and update the recordings table with teh stuff

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|Torg|:

that or forget about the old stuff and start making new recordings

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juski:

thanks for the thanks folks. it's hard to love projectgrayhem as much for me but don't worry – stuff for that is on my todo list too

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lightspeedbiker:

ok TORG, thanks do I enter "sudo mythtv-setup" ?? correct

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|Torg|:

dnt forgt to bunce th beackend server too

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|Torg|:

yes

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juski:

some of the fugly watermarks in pg-wide have simply GOT to go

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lightspeedbiker:

ok TORG, what the command to restart the backend server?

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|Torg|:

ok juski I editee teh base.xml and renamed the logo.png to reflect mythlogo.png

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|Torg|:

I had to clear my cache again and then reload teh fe

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|Torg|:

now it works

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|Torg|:

thanks!

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juski:

|Torg|: okees. I'll update mine now

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|Torg|:

ill make a guess, but I think this is the theme in the fe

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|Torg|:

7fccb000 176560 – – – rw--- [ anon ]

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DrMitch:

can someone help me figure out why i have this WEIRD sound in the background of all my recordings? here's a sample of it: http://doctormike.googlepages.com/weirdsound-1.avi

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|Torg|:

altho the whole theme is only 20M so I dunno

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|Torg|:

like I said I cant track whats the theme and what isnt

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seth|laptop:

ack |Torg| still can't get mythtv to see my old recordings

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jams:

DrMitch- What strange sound are listening for?

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seth|laptop:

I can see them in the mythconverg db via phpmadmin, but

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juski:

actually |Torg| I've made the change & I'll upload it as 1.4 again

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|Torg|:

seth dump the database and send the dump to me

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|Torg|:

ok juski

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iamlindoro:

I know this is probably sacrilege, but is it possible to remove the mythtv logo altogether?

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iamlindoro:

from a theme, that is

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juski:

yup

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juski:

either in theme.xml or base.xml

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|Torg|:

yes

[01:52:42]

juski:

but beware some themes have the logo burnt into the background

[01:52:44]

|Torg|:

juski what does myth do with animated or transparent pngs?

[01:52:55]

juski:

it uses transparency

[01:53:06]

juski:

doesn't do anything with animated ones AFAIK

[01:53:18]

|Torg|:

damn I wanted to make the logo spin

[01:53:39]

iamlindoro:

I have tried removing the "<imagetype name="logo">" section completely but that doesn't seem to do it

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juski:

wait for me to get the hang of my 3d package...

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juski:

iamlindoro: open the logo png in GIMP & just erase it to a transparent background, then save it

[01:54:11]

iamlindoro:

ah, wait, I got it

[01:54:28]

iamlindoro:

just removed "logo.png" and left the rest

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juski:

you need to restart mythfrontend to see a change usually

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iamlindoro:

MMM, VERY CLEAN. :)

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iamlindoro:

whoops, sorry

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juski:

careful – sometimes when you remove stuff that way you can make myth segfault

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juski:

depends what you remove & what sanity checking is in place

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iamlindoro:

ok, will do it your way

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juski:

you can also use comments..

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juski:

<!-- comment

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juski:

-->

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Led-Hed:

how do you go about generating a custom modeline?

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|Torg|:

google

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Led-Hed:

I want to use 1280x720 and 720x480 resolutions on my HDTV, but everything I've read says I need a modeline.

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Led-Hed:

I've found an online modeline generator but I dont know any of the information to input

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|Torg|:

#ModeLine "ATSC-720–59.94p" 74.176 1280 1320 1376 1650 720 722 728 750

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|Torg|:

#ModeLine "ATSC-720–60p" 74.25 1280 1320 1376 1650 720 722 728 750

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|Torg|:

#ModeLine "ATSC-480–60p" 23.94 640 664 736 760 480 484 492 525

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|Torg|:

like I said, google

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Led-Hed:

|Torg|, but will those modelines work for any TV?

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|Torg|:

there modes for standard ATSC/NTSC

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Led-Hed:

oh

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|Torg|:

most TVs cut off the edges tho

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juski:

cesman: I'll email you when I think the theme is ready enough, k? won't be long now

[01:59:20]

juski:

tbh though I think it's prolly safe. I mean I've seen worse alignment snafus in other themes ;)

[02:00:01]

DrMitch:

it's a weird "wa-wa-wa" sound..

[02:00:33]

DrMitch:

imagine like a cartoon boomerage underwater

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jams:

i must need better speakers cuase it sounds ok to me

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juski:

and if anybody's wondering I'd love a nice big 22" wide LCD for my desktop, or an mp3 USB connectable head unit for my car, or a nice 2TB NAS....

[02:01:32]

juski:

:-P

[02:01:45]

kenvandine:

anyone know where i can find out what the database schema should be for 0.20?

[02:02:15]

burner:

juski, you havent got the "osd-alert.png"-image in blootube-osd :p

[02:02:31]

burner:

its referred to in the osd.xml, though

[02:02:36]

Anduin:

kenvandine: It is pieced together

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juski:

just copy it from another osd theme for now

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kenvandine:

my record table is busted... from a bad upgrade from 0.18 to 0.19

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juski:

it's 2am, burner. I ain't fixing that now

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juski:

soon as this here upload is finished I'd going to bed

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DrMitch:

you're kidding me...right? i mean i know it's fox news, so it's all a bunch of garbage sound anyway.... but you can't hear that constant sound behind his voice?

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juski:

maybe it's a black helicopter

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jams:

DrMitch- nope, but i'm also using one inch speakers

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juski:

where's the clip?

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DrMitch:

http://doctormike.googlepages.com/weirdsound-1.avi

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|Torg|:

it sounds fine

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kenvandine:

anyone mind sharing their schema for that table?

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kenvandine:

mysqldump -u user -ppasswd mythconverg record -d

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juski:

sounds grainy

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Anduin:

DrMitch: Yeah, that does sound bad

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juski:

sounds 8-bit

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|Torg|:

sorry kenvandine there is no user user for my database, nor does it have a password of password

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juski:

too low an audio bitrate by the sound of it

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DrMitch:

well, i compressed it but i have it all set to no limit and 48000

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juski:

anyway it's like 2 hours past my bedtime, so er g'night!

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kenvandine:

DrMitch: dcc doesn't work for me :(

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kenvandine:

pastebin?

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Mixx`:

hello, sorry for the simple question but I can't seem to resolve this – I've set the ip address in mythtv-setup to 127.0.0.1 but any error I get, most notably the backend server, says it can't open a network socket

[02:09:46]

DrMitch:

http://pastebin.ca/266383

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kenvandine:

DrMitch: thx

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kenvandine:

DrMitch: and you are on 0.20?

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DrMitch:

yea

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kenvandine:

thx

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Paladine:

anyone tried a vga>scart converter lead instead of using tvout?

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seth|laptop:

quick query,what is the comand to list the contents of a tar.bz2 file – tar xvjf --list archive.bz2?

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GreyFoxx:

t

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GreyFoxx:

-t

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jams:

tar -jtvf

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GreyFoxx:

x = extract, c = create, t = list/view

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jams:

v = verbose

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jams:

=)

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GreyFoxx:

z = zip, j = bzip, f = file

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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|Torg|:

t = test

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|Torg|:

yu want jxvf

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GreyFoxx:

no, he just wants to view the contents

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GreyFoxx:

t shows the contents

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|Torg|:

oh ok

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Mixx`:

what are the default ports for: server, status, master server?

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GreyFoxx:

server master or not is 6543, 6544 for status (also used for upnp traffic)

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GreyFoxx:

6546 isthe default for telnet controls of the frontend

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Mixx`:

ok ty, that's what i have them set too. any reasons it can't connect?

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GreyFoxx:

I can only suggest you make sure it's not just binding to localhost

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Mixx`:

i don't think so, i've only ever entered in 127.0.0.1

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burner:

juski, www.xploremedia.no/diverse/osd-alert.png

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burner:

works for me ;)

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|Torg|:

I just copid the pause.png

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Led-Hed:

I got 1280x720 to work. which is very cool, but now my 4:3 movies in MythVideo have black Vertical bars, is there a way to force these movies to stretch to fit the screen?

[02:27:35]

|Torg|:

W

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Led-Hed:

I use xine for video playback.

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Led-Hed:

I can set xine to anamorphic. but Is there a way to pass that setting to xine on a Per movie basis?

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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|Torg|:

look at the xine settings

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GreyFoxx:

myth doesn't do anything but call xine with the command you supply when it's not doing the playback itself

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burner:

|Torg|, where is "pause.png" used..?

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Led-Hed:

there is something in mythvideo where you can pass arguements to the player, but I havent been able to find out how to use it

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|Torg|:

as the backgodun for status/sliderfrme and notify_cid

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|Torg|:

juski whats notify_cid_dt?

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burner:

date

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|Torg|:

ahh ok

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burner:

:p

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|Torg|:

that and juski told m he dint use mythphone

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burner:

me neihter..

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tracy:

any1 know , after a scan on a HD card I get lots and lots of channels like 79#18 79#19. I scanned High qam 256

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tracy:

what are they?

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|Torg|:

pids

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|Torg|:

or the things you would call channels

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tracy:

ok so can i delete them

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|Torg|:

well if you dont want them, yes

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|Torg|:

commonly there isnt anything on it

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tracy:

the HD channels seem to have names and they like 201_1

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|Torg|:

but since you said aqm im assuming this is cable and there is no telling what your cable company deicde to do with its signal

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|Torg|:

HD chanelsa re named 201_1 becae you told it to

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burner:

btw, anyone now if its possible to get a webcam (usb) as a secondary video-input ?

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|Torg|:

they are channel/program

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tracy:

well i am pretty happy i got QAM "working", as OTA sucked real bad

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burner:

so i can have PiP with the webcam-video

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olds:

burner: highly doubtful

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|Torg|:

burner check out zoneminder

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burner:

zoneminder ?

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tracy:

burner: did u even get a usb webcam to work?

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burner:

well, it works with mythphone..

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burner:

mythphone reads the webcam-video from /dev/video1.. the tv-frontend *should* be able to do the same ?

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feld:

burner: yeah it can be done

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feld:

i saw a site show how to do i once

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olds:

I stand corrected :)

[02:39:30]

feld:

using mythtv for security related purposes

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burner:

feld, oh.. please show me how :)

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feld:

there were a few tricks to it but i dont remember what they were. i'll do some googling and see if i can find it again

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burner:

thx

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Paladine:

hmmm is it possible to setup gdm to automatically log you in?

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Paladine:

oops wrong window

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eidolon:

hey folks have people had problems with font scaling on the menus + font scaling on sub-projects (like mythgames) ? i can't get a consistent view on them.

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|Torg|:

AutomaticLoginEnable=true

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|Torg|:

AutomaticLogin=mythtv

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|Torg|:

Paladine throw those in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf

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Paladine:

well i don't want the mythtv part ;)

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Paladine:

itis for a regular user

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burner:

so ?

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|Torg|:

I sorta figured you were smart enough to edit it :P

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Paladine:

:p

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|Torg|:

I just copied mine and pasted, call me lazy if you like

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burner:

ohho

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Paladine:

I just realised that tvout doesn't work until you are logged into xorg

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Paladine:

which would makelogging in kinda tricky on a system with only tv output ;)

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|Torg|:

I have some damon for that called nvtvd

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|Torg|:

I use dvi out tho so I dont care

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feld:

if you guys have a dedicated frontend (i dont know if you do), why are you using gdm/etc?

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Paladine:

I don't have a dedicated frontend

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Paladine:

and the box in question is not a myth box

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feld:

k

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Paladine:

although I will probably install mythfrontend on it for the plugins

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Paladine:

but noneed for backend since the tv it will be plugged into has a set top box decoder with built in hard drive and dual tuners

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burner:

feld, found anything? :p

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eidolon:

hm, any suggestions for why when i hit 'watchtv', it comes right back to the menu? mythfrontend output says "Attempting to change from None to WatchingLIiveTV, suing protocol, then GetEntryAt(-1) failed. EntryToProgram... failed to get pginfo. TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started.

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eidolon:

hmm. 'Input Connections' showis everything going to ->(None)

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eidolon:

that might do it.

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** cesman ponders why some of this recordings are "not listed" when they are clearly there... **

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lightspeedbiker:

cesman, Hello are you there?

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cesman:

hello lightspeedbiker

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cesman:

I'm frazzled, yourself?

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lightspeedbiker:

ok cesman, did you find a solution to "not listed" I too have the same problem

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cesman:

no, I have not

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cesman:

trying to compile vlc at the moment

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lightspeedbiker:

do you know what directory the file are in

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cesman:

what files?

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cesman:

the listing is stored in the db

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lightspeedbiker:

My problem is going to main>media lib> watch recordings doesn't list all the files

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lightspeedbiker:

going to main>manage recordings>previous recorded shows all the files

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lightspeedbiker:

but I can't select the file and play it in the main>manage recordings>previous recorded list

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cesman:

lightspeedbiker: my issue isn't with recorded programs

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cesman:

if something is schedule to record, it will show it as not listed in the guide

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cesman:

yet, it is clearly in the guide

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cesman:

if I edit the options and simple save, then it "will record"

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zood_:

I can `cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg` with no problems but when I `ffmpeg test.mpg` I get "Could not find video grab device". What's the problem?

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cesman:

if your have programs that aren't showing up, yet they are in the filesystem, I'd suggest checking your db for errors

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feld:

whts the easiest way to tell mythtv to transcode all of my recordings

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feld:

i have the settings the way i like them now, and i'd like it to transcode everything i currently have recorded

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feld:

and then i'll set them to auto for future recordings

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tracy_:

any clue now that I have HD through cable, the HD channels pause every second for a couple miliseconds?

[03:29:46]

zood_:

what does myth actually use to capture video?

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feld:

tracy_: check your cpu usage

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GreyFoxx:

zood_: How do you mean ?

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feld:

zood_: whatever you want. tv tuner cards, dvb cards, firewire, etc

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zood_:

feld: I guess I mean program. Like does it use ffmpeg or mencoder or etc...

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GreyFoxx:

it doesn't use an external app

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GreyFoxx:

mythbackend is the recorder itself

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zood_:

GreyFoxx: ahhh okay

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tracy_:

feld thx will check that now

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zood_:

Is there a simple way to do one time record that doesn't depend on the tv schedual? I'm trying to copy a vhs and myth keeps stoping the recording when the program myth thinks it's watching on channel 3 ends

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feld:

where do i set the default transcode profile at?

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tracy_:

i see mtd taking quite a lot of cpu, i have 2 running too. what is that, and any idea if i need it

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tracy_:

ok they niced to 19 so i dont think that is my problem

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feld:

it's for transcoding

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feld:

the daemon that mythtv uses to do the work

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tracy_:

strange, i watch live tv and cpu goes from 0.10 to 3.00

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tracy_:

with 2 mythfrontends taking 50% each

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tracy_:

so that must be why it is jerky

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burner:

feld, did you find anything on google..?

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zood_:

On all my recorded video I get poor image quality. If there is something light against a dark background it looks sort of green on one edge and purple on the other edge. Any ideas how to fix this?

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feld:

burner: no only mentions of it, but no instructions

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burner:

k

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feld:

hrm ok wtf

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feld:

i want it to auto transcode new recordings

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feld:

so i go to default recording profile and checkbox "auto transcode"

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feld:

then i go to a tv show that will be recording

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feld:

and it says auto transcode. mythweb doesnt say auto transcode. mythfrontend also says "do not transcode new recordings"

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feld:

wtf is "do not transcode new recordings"? and how can i set that globally =/

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merc:

is there just a super simple app i can use to just make sure tv is actually working?

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feld:

cat

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feld:

cat /dev/video# > file.mpeg

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feld:

then watch that file

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merc:

(i go to watch tv and its just black, and i dont see anything worthwhile in the console..as far as errors)

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merc:

cool, i try :)

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merc:

cool, i guess, i get a bunch of garbled junk...

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merc:

must be some settings then, i guess..

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tracy_:

when i started i used tvtime as a simple app

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tracy_:

not sure how much it helped

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** merc gets it **

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merc:

awesome

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merc:

i get tv with tv time :D

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merc:

i had to change it to cable-hrc or some such though

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Ediehow:

does this have hardware encoding?

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Ediehow:

KWORLD ATSC-110 PCI Interface Digital / Analog HDTV Tuner – Retail

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feld:

im running build 11626 and the dvd eject media menu option fails to work. anyone else running this version that can test it?

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feld:

works from the cli with the same user

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putnum:

what does the backend and frontend do exactly? Is the backend in charge of the processes like pvr?

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putnum:

what does the backend/frontend do?

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putnum:

opps sorry

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GreyFoxx:

the backend handles the scheduling and recording from the various tuners/cards

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GreyFoxx:

the frontend streams the data from the backend and plays it

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putnum:

ah but the pc can be both right?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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GreyFoxx:

most peopledo it on both

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putnum:

cool

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GreyFoxx:

err do both on one machine I mean

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GreyFoxx:

but since they are seperate you can have many frontends and backends

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putnum:

yea i am converting a hp media center and i wanna use this

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putnum:

can it play h264 media?

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burner:

anyone use a diskless frontend here, btw ?

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burner:

putnum, h264 ?

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GreyFoxx:

putnum: I know somesort of h264 support is in there but I've never tried it nor do Iknow if you have do specially compile for it

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GreyFoxx:

burner: many do

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putnum:

its hd media

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burner:

GreyFoxx, you gained any experiences with a diskless solution ..?

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putnum:

720p

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putnum:

i am assuming mythtv can play back 720p and 1080i ?

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GreyFoxx:

burner:I've been using diskless linux work stations for almost 8 years, so diskless mythfrontends was just another one.

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GreyFoxx:

hehmy desktop pc has been a diskless pcfor the last several years :)

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burner:

aha.. how do you boot then? network or cd/dvd ?

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GreyFoxx:

I use to use etherboot cd's to tftp down the kernel and nfsmount root

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GreyFoxx:

err etherboot floppies sorry

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GreyFoxx:

now either pxe

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GreyFoxx:

or floppies depending on the machine

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GreyFoxx:

4 of my frontends have a kernel on aCF card and nfsmount the / partition

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burner:

ah, okey

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lightspeedbiker:

GreyFoxx are u there

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putnum:

can you play xbox games on this?

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burner:

putnum, you can try.. and then tell me how you did it;)

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Ediehow:

i sure would like mpeg4 hardware encoding

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GreyFoxx:

lightspeedbiker: For the moment

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GreyFoxx:

putnum: I've never seen and xboxemulator, but then I've never looked for one so there might be one out there

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lightspeedbiker:

Hi, I have a problem where my recording aren't showing up in Main->Media Library -> Watch Recordings...

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lightspeedbiker:

I do have the mpg files on the hard-disk and can view the in totem

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feld:

GreyFoxx: how much emulation could be needed? it's a p3 with a geforce 3.5 if i recall correctly

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GreyFoxx:

Well, it's a celeron actually, but there is sitll custom hardware on there :)

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putnum:

ok thx guys

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feld:

not much though hehe

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GreyFoxx:

so some custom code would be needed

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feld:

it should be trivial to trick it into thinking your HW is xbox HW

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GreyFoxx:

lightspeedbiker: You likely have a filter on the group being displayed

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Ediehow:

hmm

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GreyFoxx:

when you are in the watch recordings screen hit M

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Ediehow:

my wintv pvr150 encodes to mpeg2, is it worth turning on the option to auto change things to mpeg4?

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lightspeedbiker:

ok Foxx, I check that THNAKS, back in few

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GreyFoxx:

then change the filter to show All Programs

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burner:

feld, its still microsoft`s creation..

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burner:

:p

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lightspeedbiker:

ok Foxx THANK!!!!!!! the tip to hit M was it!!!!!

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Ediehow:

hey GreyFoxx what resolution do you leave your "default" recording profile at?

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Ediehow:

if i get satellite tv, do i ever even get 720xwhatever?

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GreyFoxx:

Ediehow: I use 720x480

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Ediehow:

i have image size set to 720x480

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putnum:

eddie

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Ediehow:

but isn't that for hdtv?

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putnum:

you can

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kslater:

ugh – just found out my EPIA nic's are running at 10Mb/s and in half duplex..

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putnum:

yea hdtv

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GreyFoxx:

Ediehow: No

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Ediehow:

?

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feld:

kslater: ouch

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putnum:

you pay more for it

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GreyFoxx:

720x480 is max NTSC DVD resolution

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GreyFoxx:

atandard def

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kslater:

feld: nk, trying to copy an HD show..

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GreyFoxx:

most NTSC standard def sat broadcasts are 544x480

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Ediehow:

ok, so if i have dishnetwork, and i had lower resolution than 720x480 for my recordings, does that mean they would look worse?

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putnum:

720P = hdtv

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Ediehow:

so i CAN Lower it from 720?

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GreyFoxx:

putnum: yeah, but 720x480 is NOT 720p :)

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GreyFoxx:

It's 480i

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feld:

i have mine set to 640x480. i have basic cable.

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GreyFoxx:

Edit: Sure

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Ediehow:

i basically would like to get the closest to the quality i am receiving

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robbins876:

anyone have a box running out to standard def TV?

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Ediehow:

no sense in making it bigger than it is

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feld:

robbins876: i do

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Ediehow:

wastes file size

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GreyFoxx:

the main thing to worry about really is the lines

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burner:

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robbins876:

burner: that's 1080p

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robbins876:

feld: do you have black bars around your screen?

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feld:

no robbins876

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Ediehow:

GreyFoxx: so if i have dishnetwork, what can i safely set my image size to?

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robbins876:

feld: how did you set it up? are you using composite or s-video? what's your resolution?

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GreyFoxx:

Edit: personally I wouldsay 544, 640 or 720, as long as theheight is 480

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GreyFoxx:

and a good bitrate

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feld:

i'm using composite 640x480 robbins876

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Ediehow:

well, what is the lowest i can change both to and get max quality from signal

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Ediehow:

544x480 for dishnetwork?

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GreyFoxx:

That's what theire digital broadcasts are at

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robbins876:

feld: 640x480Noscale or just 640x480?

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Ediehow:

k

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Ediehow:

is bitrate 2200 max bitrate 2200 ok?

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feld:

just 640x480 robbins876

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Ediehow:

that's what i have had it on, and it seems grainy sometimes

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GreyFoxx:

But you have to remember that your analog output doesn't really have a concept of the vertical rows like you do with digital

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Ediehow:

but that may help now that i lowered resolution

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GreyFoxx:

Ediehow: All I can and willsay is whatI use. you play with your own to find what works for you

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Ediehow:

what is difference between stream type mpeg-2 ps and ts?

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Ediehow:

i mean, which should i use? i have wintv pvr150mce

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GreyFoxx:

all my analog recordings are 720x480, 5500/9000 bitrate, mpeg-PS

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tank-man:

wow

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GreyFoxx:

720x480 is also the resolution I run Xat, so no scaling

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GreyFoxx:

average recording is ~2.4G per hour

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Ediehow:

ok, for audio quality

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Ediehow:

what do you do?

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Ediehow:

my sampling rate is set at 3200, layer 2, 128kbps

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GreyFoxx:

samplerate 48000, bitrate 384k

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feld:

i have mp3 48000hz

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Ediehow:

layer 2?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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Ediehow:

k, thx sir

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putnum:

whats a good sound card to buy grey?

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GreyFoxx:

*shrug*

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GreyFoxx:

everything comes with onboard sounds these days that will do surround and spdif

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GreyFoxx:

I don't see any reason to buy and offboard card unless you have specific audio needs

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putnum:

yea and i don't

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putnum:

now anyways

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putnum:

what about a tv tuner?

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GreyFoxx:

for analog cable I wouldn't consider anything but a pvr250/150/500

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robbins876:

putnum: hauppauge anything

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putnum:

ok

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putnum:

now is it possiable to catch hd content over the air like local stations

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putnum:

abc nbc etc

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putnum:

without going through satelight or cable

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GreyFoxx:

depends on your area, but many do that. OTA broadcasts

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putnum:

is there a website out there that tells whats avail in my area?

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GreyFoxx:

pchdtv, fusioncold,etc are cards that allow for that

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GreyFoxx:

I wouldn't know :)

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robbins876:

The colts drop two straight... that doesn't make sense

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GreyFoxx:

though actually avsforum has a section where people post what they see in their areas

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putnum:

ok

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putnum:

thx

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hydrian:

putnum: there is a site that does. hold on a sec. and I will find it for you.

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hydrian:

http://www.antennaweb.org/

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hydrian:

As far as I know it is US only though. I don't know where you are located.

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putnum:

yep dallas here

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putnum:

thx

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hydrian:

It is pretty detailed. Sometimes it is difficult seeing what you can get from the info.

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putnum:

yea looks good to me

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putnum:

found my address

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putnum:

is there newsgroups downloading support built into mythtv?

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ormus:

haven't seen anything like that

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ormus:

anybody using the noapic kernel option?

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tank-man:

putnum, how would downloading from usenet be something for a pvr to do?

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ormus:

why should mythtv have mythweb?

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ormus:

what's the difference? can get newsgroups through the web anyway.

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putnum:

for getting movies etc

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putnum:

nzb support is what i meant to ask

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tank-man:

mythweb lets you orgranise/watch/schedule your recordings

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hydrian:

Someone what's to browse porn on the their TV... ;)

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ormus:

whatever..there is the ability to surf the web from mythtv....whatever it is called.

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tank-man:

firefox? lol

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hydrian:

to browse the web you can use mythbrowser

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putnum:

no not porn

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putnum:

just would be nice to be able to telnet in an download movies right to my media center

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hydrian:

mythweb is a admin tool

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putnum:

i guess if its running linux it can be done outside mythtv

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ormus:

always get those 2 confused

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putnum:

yea

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putnum:

lol

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putnum:

so does mythtv run inside a x window session?

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tank-man:

i think there is a frambuffer option

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hydrian:

usually

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putnum:

whats that

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hydrian:

framebuffer is a Xwindows-less way of having graphics displayed.

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zerotrace:

I'm having trouble getting mythtranscode to work... The mythbackend.log file shows mythtranscode's usage message, leading me to believe that the backend isn't passing the right options to the mythtranscode binary. Is there a format string or something I can put in mythtv-setup to make it run mythtranscode correctly?

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putnum:

anybody wanna buy a modded xbox?

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tank-man:

negative

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scott_:

putnum, how much?

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scott_:

no wait, don't answer that.. I have no money to be spending

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scott_:

putnum, do you use an xbox 360 as an HD-frontend?

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zerotrace:

If there's a way to get a 360 to work as a frontend, I'm all ears

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scott_:

really?

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zerotrace:

I'm not aware that anybody's been able to do it... but it's not impossible theoretically

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scott_:

I guess I misread some things then

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wireddd:

great all of my channels are switching around

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wireddd:

I wish my cable company would at least notify me before changing the channel lineup

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zerotrace:

scott_: Where did you read the 360 could be used as a frontend?

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tadhunt:

Hey folks, anyone using a Motorola DCT-6200 connected via firewire for a capture source?

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scott_:

zerotrace: I'm pretty sure I just assumed people were doing it because of all the xbox talk, I thought it was just a faster system and could handle HD, not much else different

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scott_:

my bad :(

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zerotrace:

scott_: The 360 has two ways of getting video streams to it, UPnP (Windows Media Connect), or the proprietary Windows Media Center protocol... MythTV 0.20 includes some basic support for UPnP, but it doesn't appear to work with the 360 yet. I've heard rumors of people using GeekBox or GStreamer to hack together working UPnP for the 360, but it's far from perfect and takes some serious hacking at the code to get it to work.

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scott_:

yeah what got me reading about it was we installed an xbox 360 for windows media center and it ended up causing mythbackend to be @100%, so I had to --noupnp start mythbackend to fix it

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putnum:

zerotrace: does mythtv run in the console or via x windows?

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zerotrace:

scott_: The other problem is codecs. The 360 only has a few codecs available... pretty much anything that comes standard on windows and little else. There is probably an MPEG2 codec there for DVD decoding, but it's setup to not allow MPEG2 streams to work over UPnP

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zerotrace:

putnum: The backend application runs as a headless daemon, but the frontend needs X11 on Linux, and there is a native port for OSX

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scott_:

anyone here heard about plans for time warner to release an HDTV pci tuner card?

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zerotrace:

scott_: I'd give it a snowball's chance in hell

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scott_:

yeah I think it might just be a rumour

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zerotrace:

scott_: It's possible that they would release a CableCard PCI card, but it would probably be locked down to run only on windows, with only their applications, and even then, would violate the CableCard standard

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scott_:

yeah I figured whatever they came out with would only be for windows

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zerotrace:

The consortium that created the CableCard set a restriction that it only be available builtin to new computers and not as an aftermarket addon. This is so that they can use some hardware DRM.

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scott_:

damn zerotrace, you're like a bot, full of information

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zerotrace:

On the other hand, the cable companies hate CableCard because it doesn't offer a lot of features that they want. So the cable companies are developing a few competing standards, namely OpenCable (which is not open at all)

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zerotrace:

scott_: I've just been messing with MythTV for a while and know quite a bit about the subject

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scott_:

have you messed around with zoneminder?

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zerotrace:

There are people here that know more than me about it... I'm sure

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zerotrace:

Can't say that I have

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wireddd:

I wish there was a way I could get a cable card to work with myth

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scott_:

yeah would be sweet, I like OTA HD though , it's reliable, although sometimes I get lots of artifacting

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zerotrace:

wireddd: Me too... I fear that firewire with a cable box is going to be the best thing for a while

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zerotrace:

scott_: I used OTA HD for a while, then I moved and don't get as many channels here... I'm using QAM from Time Warner at the moment... Talk about a pain to confiugre

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scott_:

ugh @ firewire, stupid timewarner gives me like 2 HD channels via firewire... abc and fox, they don't give me pbs nbc or cbs, not to mention the cool ones like showtime, hbo, espn, tnt, etc.

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scott_:

I wasn't even able to scan any channels on QAM with my pchdtv3000 and twc, I figured they had them all encrypted

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wireddd:

is there anywhere I can check to see if my cable channels are being rearranged tonight?

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zerotrace:

When I scan for QAM256 I get over 300 channels, 295 of them are encrypted

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zerotrace:

wireddd: You could try calling the cable company... Hopefully they would know

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wireddd:

it seems like a 5 year old is playing switchboard in my cable compainies nox

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scott_:

wireddd: check their website, I know for TWC they recently rearranged all their channels, had schedules in pdf format with which cities would be affected when

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wireddd:

s/nox/noc/

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zerotrace:

The biggest problem with using QAM on time warner is that they don't send PAT tables, so I ended up making good use of picture in picture to match up the HD stations with their analog equivalents, then I just created a new channel lineup on zap2it with the same callsigns in the -DT variants

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wireddd:

I have charter

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putnum:

charter blows!!

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putnum:

i nmy area anyways

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wireddd:

yes I know

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zerotrace:

My only option here is Time Warner. If there were another option, I'd take it in a second

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zerotrace:

I've been considering trying out a satellite provider, but I haven't really had the time/money to figure out which one is most likely to work with myth

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scott_:

I think it's funny how drastically different the same cable company can be in different cities throughout the US. i've heard of certain comcast areas allowing ALL channels via firewire and other cities comcast sucks

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zerotrace:

That's because cable companies really aren't national organizations... They're fairly local, the only national part is the money

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wireddd:

I am so sick of the automated assistant

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putnum:

i have fiber :)

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zerotrace:

putnum: I hate you

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wireddd:

putnum want to rent me a room?

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putnum:

6 megs down

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wireddd:

oh nm

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wireddd:

my cable is 8

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zerotrace:

I get 6 megs down on cable

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putnum:

or 10 something like that

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putnum:

so does mythtv take long to install and use

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putnum:

i used xbmc

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putnum:

on my xbox and it was sorta painful

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zerotrace:

putnum: Depends on what linux distribution you use and what sorts of package management it offers

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putnum:

slackware?

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putnum:

i used that before

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putnum:

kinda hard

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zerotrace:

Yeah, as I recall, slackware doesn't have much of a package management system anymore

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ormus_:

installing the OS and mythtv isn't the time consuming part.

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ormus_:

it is all the tweaking

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zerotrace:

Good point

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ormus_:

yum on fedora core is pretty nice

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ormus_:

i'm running FC6

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zerotrace:

FC6 doesn't seem all that stable to me yet

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zerotrace:

I'm waiting until they get a few more patches out first

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scott_:

I use slackware, I love it

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** zerotrace is going away **

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putnum:

slack 11?

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putnum:

how does it do with usb and flash card readers etc

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putnum:

got some of those on my mobo

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putnum:

heh i would trade my xbox for a low end p4 system if anybody wants

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putnum:

just need a second pc or my wife will kill me lol

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ormus_:

yes...might consider FC5

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putnum:

ok

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putnum:

why 5?

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putnum:

and not 6

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ormus_:

FC6 is only a couple weeks old

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putnum:

oh

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scott_:

well the thing about linux distros and most drivers for things like flash drives, usb, etc. are dependant on the kernel version.. so you could use an old distribution that doesn't get updated as much as some of the ubuntus but still keep up to date with the kernel and be fine

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putnum:

oh ok

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ormus_:

yum will update your driver if it is dependent on the OS update.

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putnum:

does mythtv use alot of memory

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scott_:

well I shouldn't say dependant on the kernel version, you need to have the modules built in the kernel config

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putnum:

yea

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putnum:

ok

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scott_:

my mythbackend is recording dexter right now, using 3% memory of the system, (1.5GB)

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scott_:

12% cpu while recording, XP 3700+

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putnum:

i wonder if i could get by with a pentium 4 say 2ghz 1 gig of ram??

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scott_:

depends, I would say so

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putnum:

it would also be downloading stuff

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putnum:

not running x

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putnum:

well guess it would for the frontend

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scott_:

I still think you'd be fine, like bittorrent? I think that uses a little CPU because of all the comparisons and algorithims it does

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putnum:

naw binaries

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putnum:

don't like bt

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scott_:

what kind of recording would you be doing? off a card with a built in mpeg decoder?

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putnum:

well unless i can ever get invited to a private tracker!!!

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putnum:

yea prob off a card

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scott_:

when I record OTA-HD I only use like 1% CPU because my card is doing all the work and my cpu only has to do work for the 5MB/s or whatever copying of the file to hard disk is

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putnum:

720P

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putnum:

can it record it into xvid 720p?

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putnum:

well

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putnum:

wait i don't have hd

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putnum:

can you hook it up to your satelight somehow?

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putnum:

i have dish

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putnum:

network

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putnum:

brb ldinner

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infinity1:

err ..after creating cut points, how do you actually "CUT"

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hydrian:

Where is the mythbackend store the mysql password?

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scott_:

infinity1: transcode will cut

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infinity1:

hydrian: in a txt file i think

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infinity1:

/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt maybe

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infinity1:

scott_: so after i've created cut points.

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infinity1:

i goto the menu and select transcode?

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Anduin:

or ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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scott_:

yes, and it'll use the default transcoding profile

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infinity1:

scott_: just select default?

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hydrian:

ok thanks

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infinity1:

or autodetect?

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scott_:

under settings somewhere you can configure the transcoder profiles and have "lossless" transcodes which keeps aspect ratio, resolution, codec the same and only cuts parts out using the cut points

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xris:

infinity1: or just press X while watching

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scott_:

autodetect

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xris:

and make sure your transcode profiles are set up properly (e.g. lossless remove-commercials only, etc)

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infinity1:

xris: wow. it says transcoding

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infinity1:

hm.

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scott_:

chris, I like the new changes you've made to mythweb since 0.20, I checked out svn yesterday

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infinity1:

hm ..ok.

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xris:

scott_: have I made that many changes?

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scott_:

my favorite is that it shows the optional source name for upcoming recordings

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xris:

ah, yeah...

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xris:

better than the numeric I

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xris:

ID

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xris:

and you can choose specific recorders...

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xris:

that one was a must so that my wife doesn't freak out if the tuner randomly changes channels while she's watching TV (I just make sure anything that she'd watch will record on the tuner she'd watch on)

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scott_:

haha

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scott_:

I also like storage group that they've added

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xris:

yeah, thank Captain_Murdoch for that.

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Dagmar:

Now if we can just get it using the OpenGL paint engine we can replace the frontend with it. ;)

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scott_:

Dagmar: do you stream your recordings with mythweb?

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Dagmar:

scott_: Nope

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Dagmar:

Generally, I stick with mounting the recording share over CIFS

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Dagmar:

Saves a lot of trouble

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mchou:

hey xris, are you aware of anyone who is coding Guid as opposed to nodeIds for 6200ch? Cause I'm about to do it, and I dont want to duplicate effort if someone has already done it......

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xris:

mchou: not even sure what you're talking about

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mchou:

xris: firewire bus rest changes nodeID

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mchou:

reset*

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xris:

I don't have that problem, but no clue if anyone is working with it.

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mchou:

xris: your nodeID has never changed on you?

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xris:

only when I change cards

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xris:

and then it's always the same on each card

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mchou:

wow

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xris:

ports 1 and 3

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mchou:

no, nodeID (not ports)

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xris:

well, whatever it is

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xris:

1:1 and 1:3, or 0:1 and 0:3, depending on which card I use

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mchou:

that's weird. You've never had a node ID change on reboot?

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xris:

not that I've noticed

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Dagmar:

mchou: Has that been happening to you _recently_?

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mchou:

xris: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /124896.html

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mchou:

Dagmar: happens all the time

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Dagmar:

I was under the impression that the issues with drives not enumerating the same way each boot was nuked with a modification to HAL some time ago

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mchou:

Dagmar: has nothing to do w/HAL

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Dagmar:

HAL or udev, I just thought I remembered seeing something about it supposedly being fixed for all removeable drives when they fixed it for SATA drives

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mchou:

this is a "feature" of firewire bus

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mchou:

you plug in a new device in the firewirebus, and nodeIDs may change

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putnum:

ok back

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mchou:

Dagmar: http://www.linux1394.org/doc/libraw1394/x39.html

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putnum:

how does mythtv measure the width of your tv ?

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putnum:

and height does it have a video calibration tool?

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Dagmar:

putnum: it doesn't. In theory X does using the EDID protocol, but that only works if you're connecting to a *monitor* mainly (or using DVI)

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xris:

putnum: it doesn't... that's what X is for.

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Dagmar:

putnam: Look in the wiki for DisplaySize

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Dagmar:

mchou: Ooooo... I see. You might *want* to bring HAL into the picture then

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putnum:

ok

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mchou:

Dagmar: dude, I just told you it has nothing to do with HAL

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mchou:

Dagmar: why would I want to overcomplicate the picture?

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Dagmar:

And neither do USB sticks have anything to do with HAL, but you can get them *mounting in the same place every time* using HAL

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Dagmar:

...because HAL cares about GUIDs on volumes.

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mchou:

Dagmar: that's cause USB devices dont use nodeIDs

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putnum:

does mythtv automatically get the thumbnails for dvds that are stored?

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RyeBrye:

pulls from imdb

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RyeBrye:

I think you have to tell it to

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putnum:

sweet

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putnum:

k

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RyeBrye:

It will usualyl find it – but if not you can search for it manually and enter the IMDB # into it and it will snag it that way

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putnum:

ok

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Dagmar:

Rather easier to go ahead and search it with a web browser if your movie is one of those single-word-titled ones, like "Paranoia" or "Fear" or something that has a half-dozen different movies with the same name

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Dagmar:

It's not MythVideo's fault, IMDB just doesn't always make it clear which movie/release you're lookin' at from just the title hits

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putnum:

ok

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putnum:

yea

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Dagmar:

Drove me nuts when I looked up Aeon Flux

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Dagmar:

Hmm.. looks like libraw1394 is almost painted into a corner. ;/

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Dagmar:

:/

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putnum:

so i can hook mythtv up to dish network right?

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putnum:

guys is this a good card for mythtv? http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=203 . . . p;adid=17662

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scott_:

most any nvidia cards are fine for mythtv

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putnum:

ok

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siXy:

dagmar dont know if youve solved your problem yet but if not – do your devices have any kind of identifying info ie different serial numbers or model names etc? if so you can easlity write a udev rule to control what order they load

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hydrian:

FX or better is recommend if are using DVI connection

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siXy:

or if they are all identical usb devices you can use lsusb to identify them uniquely

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Dagmar:

siXy: I don't have a problem. Read more carefully.

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siXy:

well thats how it read to me. sorry.

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siXy:

oh its mchou :) ok

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Dagmar:

siXy: You need to read more carefully. If you can't tell who actually had a problem, I don't see how you're supposed to be accurately diagnosing them.

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siXy:

yes i already realise the problem is not exactly what i origianlly read it to be hence the "oh its mchou. ok"

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tcpsyn:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'cambridge.localdomain' (using password: YES)

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tcpsyn:

would this be considered a different user than 'mythtv'?

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Dagmar:

You need to read the MySQL documentation describing how their access control works if you're not going to follow the MythTV documentation

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tcpsyn:

Dagmar, I am following the mythtv documentation and reading the mysql documentation :)

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tcpsyn:

but thanks.

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tcpsyn:

grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.1.%" identified by "mythtv";

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Dagmar:

I'm sorry, I just don't believe that. Your question shows you don't even know what you're lookin' at.

[08:04:48]

tcpsyn:

believe what you want, just don't belittle me.

[08:06:47]

Dagmar:

I'm not belittling you. I'm saying outright, your question has a serious contextual problem.

[08:06:57]

Dagmar:

If you don't like that, that's your problem.

[08:07:51]

Dagmar:

If you read the section of the MySQL documentation relating to access controls, you wouldn't have to ask that question, and you'd see why your question is flawed.

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tcpsyn:

Ok. I'm reading the section, that I've been reading for hours, and following the instructions on the mythtv.org site, and coming up with the same results. I've edited my.cnf to allow remote networking, and I've edited the permissions on mythconverge. Might you have any useful insight on my flawed question?

[08:09:34]

Dagmar:

Not after being bitched at I don't.

[08:09:50]

tcpsyn:

Thanks anyway.

[08:09:57]

xris:

tcpsyn: flush privileges;

[08:10:12]

tcpsyn:

xris, tried it, as well as restarting mysql

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xris:

still giving permission denied?

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tcpsyn:

yeah, its still trying to identify as user@domain instead of just user

[08:11:29]

xris:

mysql will always interpret a domain

[08:11:42]

xris:

what's your network setup?

[08:12:12]

tcpsyn:

192.168.0.* with ALL:ALL enabled in hosts.allow on all machines.

[08:12:25]

tcpsyn:

Database error was:

[08:12:25]

tcpsyn:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'cambridge.localdomain' (using password: YES)

[08:14:08]

xris:

and what's the ip of cambridge.localdomain ?

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tcpsyn:

cambridge is the client.. 192.168.0.104

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tcpsyn:

rome is the server 192.168.0.102

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xris:

read your grant statement more carefully

[08:15:36]

tcpsyn:

the grant I posted here is just copied from the doc.

[08:15:50]

tcpsyn:

I modified it on the server

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xris:

ahh

[08:16:08]

xris:

to what?

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tcpsyn:

grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.0.%" identified by "mythtv";

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xris:

ok. that SHOULD work

[08:17:46]

xris:

try with the specific IP

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xris:

oh, and what are you using to connect (and get the error)?

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tcpsyn:

mythfrontend

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xris:

try the mysql commandline client

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tcpsyn:

figuring out how to use that

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xris:

mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv -h 192.168.0.102 mythconverg

[08:27:02]

xris:

(notice no space after the -p)

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tcpsyn:

that works.

[08:27:46]

tcpsyn:

I changed the mythtv passwd before connecting though

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xris:

ok, then it sounds like you may have a spare mysql.txt laying around somewhere

[08:29:08]

tcpsyn:

its working now. might have just been a typo in the passwd somewhere.

[08:29:14]

xris:

cool

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tcpsyn:

well, its connected to the database.. it isn't actually working.

[08:29:27]

tcpsyn:

but this is better.

[08:29:30]

tcpsyn:

Thank you for your help.

[08:29:36]

xris:

step in the right direction, anyway. :)

[08:30:50]

tcpsyn:

Connecting to backend server: 192.168.0.102:6543 (try 1 of 5)

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tcpsyn:

2006-12–04 03:36:00.406 Connection timed out.

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xris:

firewall/selinux?

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tcpsyn:

noddan, I don't think so.

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tcpsyn:

noddan, sorry.

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tcpsyn:

oh its mad because my datadir is nfs

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tcpsyn:

looks like I've got mythtv setup right, but my capture card isn't working right. I know it works because I had it in a gentoo machine. I've moved it to a debian server. Now I can't set the tuner type, I think thats why.

[10:29:23]

tcpsyn:

tuner: Unknown parameter `type'

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qu0zl:

does dmesg show it getting the tuner type wrong tcpsyn, if you don't specifiy it?

[10:35:17]

qu0zl:

are there any error messages in dmesg? Do you have the firmware being loaded correctly if it's a pvrXXX card?

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tcpsyn:

yes, I did get it to specify correctly by passing type to ivtv

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tcpsyn:

ivtv0: i2c hardware 0x00000001 (cx2584x) not found for command 0xc008561c!

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tcpsyn:

I've got everything in multimedia devices compiled as a module

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qu0zl:

so do you have the firmware loading correctly?

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tcpsyn:

firmware is loading, although I don't know if its correctly

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phrozen77_:

qu0zl: do you know if a hauppauge nova-t dvb-t card also needs a firmware?

[10:36:15]

tcpsyn:

http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=FirmwareVersions

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qu0zl:

no idea about dvb cards phrozen77_ , sorry

[10:36:21]

phrozen77_:

:|

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tcpsyn:

I got the firmware from there

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qu0zl:

tcpsyn, put all the parts of dmesg related t oyour card in pastebin

[10:38:06]

tcpsyn:

http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/mivIxS18.html

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tcpsyn:

rome:/home/luke/ivtv-0.9.0/utils# ./v4l2-ctl -i=1

[10:42:14]

tcpsyn:

Video input set to 0 (Tuner 1)

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tcpsyn:

rome:/home/luke/ivtv-0.9.0/utils# cat /dev/video0

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tcpsyn:

^X^X^X

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qu0zl:

tcpsyn, lines 121 to 125 of that paste. It's failing in some i2c commands to the hardware. It should say 'found' for those devices and initialiase them. then load some more firmware

[10:43:19]

qu0zl:

what version of ivtv and kernel are you using?

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tcpsyn:

indeed. the ivtv docs are dated, I'm using the newest ivtv and kernel

[10:43:31]

tcpsyn:

2.6.19

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tcpsyn:

and 0.9

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qu0zl:

do you have i2c_isa module loaded?

[10:43:57]

qu0zl:

it should be auto-loaded

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qu0zl:

if its compiled and found

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tcpsyn:

noddan, just i2c_algo_bit and i2c_core

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tcpsyn:

damint

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tcpsyn:

sorry dude.

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qu0zl:

i also have i2c_ec and i2c_isa. I think it uses i2c_isa to talk to some of the chips on the tuner. no idea what i2c_ec is for but you probably need it too

[10:45:25]

qu0zl:

you have them available?

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tcpsyn:

i'm compiling them

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tcpsyn:

I hope thats it

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tcpsyn:

Its driving me crazy

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qu0zl:

ahh cool, if you didn't have them that would break it anyway. so that's promising

[10:48:36]

tcpsyn:

i'm gonna have to recompile the driver as well

[10:49:18]

tcpsyn:

I bet I'm using the wrong firmware. That howto on the ivtv site seems really old

[10:50:01]

qu0zl:

they haven't changed in quite a while for the pvr150 cards, so hopefully you're ok

[10:52:08]

tcpsyn:

looks good man. no errors.

[10:52:19]

tcpsyn:

ye!

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tcpsyn:

your the man!

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qu0zl:

cool :)

[10:53:45]

tcpsyn:

now I just gotta get tv to come out of it

[10:53:45]

tcpsyn:

heh

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tcpsyn:

qu0zl, nice man, it works.

[11:04:25]

qu0zl:

nice one

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juski:

just a subtle reminder incase you missed it. blootube-wide_beta1.4 is available from www.juski.co.uk now

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tcpsyn:

I'm reading about how a few people were able to run mytharchive from a remote session by editing the RecordFilePrefix setting in the db...

[12:42:46]

tcpsyn:

Does anyone know what changes have to be made to that setting?

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Dagmar:

What, you mean from a remote frontend, separate from the backend where the stored files are?

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tcpsyn:

the files are actually stored on an nfs share, local to the frontend, but the backend is on a different box

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Dagmar:

So do it the easy way

[12:49:19]

Dagmar:

Mount those files over NFS so they have the exact same pathname on all the machines involved.

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Dagmar:

I keep mine mounted as /shared on everything so I _don't_ have to muck about with anything

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fryfrog:

make sure you use the same path, i learned that the annoying way :)

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fryfrog:

i use /data (since it is like music, videos, etc

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Dagmar:

It's *far* easier to just have them appear to be in the exact same place on all the machines than it is to go tweaking the database

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tcpsyn:

I mount the nfs share at /mnt/movies

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tcpsyn:

so could i just make a link on the frontend called /mnt/movies?

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fryfrog:

yeah, sure

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tcpsyn:

mytharchive setup doesn't ask for a movie location though

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tcpsyn:

I created the link...

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Dagmar:

Or just *mount* the remote share as /mnt/movies

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tcpsyn:

its on this machine.

[13:06:51]

Dagmar:

Then cross your fingers and make a symlink

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tcpsyn:

I did, but I don't see anywhere within the mytharchive plugin to point to it.

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Ryushin:

So I was just going through the dev list, and is Storage Groups in SVN now?

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kslater:

OT: is the trout-slapping script for MythLogBot (I assume) a tcl script?

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juski:

tcl? I doubt it

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juski:

tcl doesn't do anything useful does it?

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: Yes it is

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GreyFoxx:

I thought I saw Beirdo say it was written in C

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GreyFoxx:

The bot that is

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kslater:

we could use a fish-slapping script for our internal irc development channels

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Dagmar:

We don't want to hear about your spanking your fish *or* your monkeys.

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Defend:

i installed kubunto and myth on my desktop and works beatifuly made my weekend

[14:11:46]

adde:

Hi, i just installed MythTV (knoppmyth) And im curious how to go about to get the DVB-S card working... Anyone who could help me out please?

[14:18:39]

BULLE:

adde: just run mythtv-setup and then create a dvb-card and then scan for channels ?

[14:19:03]

BULLE:

adde: i have never used a dvb-s card though, only dvb-c so the best bet is to just read instructions/howto/manual etc

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Dagmar:

i <3 midentify

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GreyFoxx:

ps -ef

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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BULLE:

GreyFoxx: 1 init

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adde:

Bulle: ive been looking reading but just getting confused... When myth TV starts i got General – Capture cards – Video sources. WHat is difference between capture cards and video sources

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Dagmar:

12601 root 11 0 22068 21m 4164 S 84.5 14.3 32:25.08 /tmp/jtr.bin /etc/passwd

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Dagmar:

adde: Video sources are where TV comes from.

[14:22:48]

Dagmar:

Like, yer cable company.

[14:22:58]

Dagmar:

...or the Stork.

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adde:

SO if im using a DVB-S card thet is setup under video sources and not capture card`

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adde:

?

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Dagmar:

This is not a question you need to ask.

[14:24:08]

Dagmar:

Just wade through the menus in mythtv-setup one at a time, in order, and it should become relatively obvious

[14:24:35]

Dagmar:

It doesn't let you spazz out and shout "CHANNEL 12!" at it when it wants to know what kind of tuner card you have, ferinstance.

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Dagmar:

Insensitive like 'numbnutz'?

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Dagmar:

wrong channel

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Ryushin:

GreyFoxx: outstanding news. So do I just put in multiple paths in the location of the recordings? Seperated by commas or anything?

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Ryushin:

Is there any weirdness going on with SVN right now, or should it be "fairly" safe to upgrade? I haven't been following the dev list close enough.

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: No, you have to define the groups and add directories to them I believe

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GreyFoxx:

Other than a 2 second glance at it I haven't really used it

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Ryushin:

Okay, something to play with. Just in time too. Down to 35 GB of space. Need to dump some to a NFS share.

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GreyFoxx:

Right now I'm wondering what effect it will have on the upnp recording streaming

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GreyFoxx:

something will havve to change I'm sure

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Ryushin:

What is upnp recording streaming?

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GreyFoxx:

What do you think it is ?

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juski:

streaming recordings over upnp more than likely

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GreyFoxx:

Yahtzee!

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Ryushin:

Sorry, I don't know what upnp is. A protocol?

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: The backend is also a upnp media server (universal plug and play)

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Ryushin:

Really.

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Ryushin:

So if I have a windows upnp client, I can stream to my hearts content?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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Ryushin:

When was upnp added?

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GreyFoxx:

pre 0.20

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Ryushin:

Woosh!!! I gotta stop working so hard. Something else I need to play with.

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juski:

google?

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GreyFoxx:

Last june 6th actually

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Ryushin:

Cool, two things to play with. Time to recompile while I'm at work. :)

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Ryushin:

Is SVN fairly "stable" right now to upgrade?

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GreyFoxx:

svn trunk also allows it to stream mythvideo content

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: *shrug* works fine for me, ymmv :)

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Ryushin:

Cool. I know there is a little "upgrade" issue with mythweb, but that's easily fixed.

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adde:

How do i confirm KnoppMyth has autodetected my DVB card? is there an "easy" way

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adde:

to see drivers are loaded for the card?

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juski:

adde: lsmod |grep dvb

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juski:

and ls /dev/dvb

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adde:

in Capture cards i had to choose a number for DVB interface i presume 0 is correct?

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adde:

if i only have one?

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juski:

yes

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adde:

gr8..thanks :)

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adde:

my eth0 isnt getting an ip adress.... where hwo what can i do?

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Zider:

where would it get the ip address from?

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adde:

my dhcp

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Zider:

dhcpcd eth0

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Zider:

but it's not exactly mythtv related :P

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adde:

i know but since im in this channel i ask.. ;)

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GreyFoxx:

Don't do that too often :)

[15:08:31]

Zider:

or you'll get a butt spanking by GreyFoxx ;)

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adde:

Well it is MythTV related in the snece it helps having a network card...

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adde:

"no subnet declaration for eth0"

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GreyFoxx:

You ran dhcpd, not dhcpCd

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adde:

dhcpCd didnt exist no such command so i ran dhcpd3

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Zider:

:P

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Zider:

"dhcpcd"

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Zider:

all lower

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Zider:

he just meant you might have missed the c

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adde:

tried that to

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GreyFoxx:

I capitalized the C for emphasis :)

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adde:

i understood that, i tried dhcpcd

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ille:

adde: there is also a #knoppmyth channel, maybe not always active.

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Zider:

you're so emphatic ;)

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ille:

adde: try dhclient

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adde:

ok.. i got that command ;)

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adde:

ill go check...

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adde:

thanks mate

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adde:

any ideas why i cant telnet to it?

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ille:

adde: use ssh , telnet is not running

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adde:

does windows have an built in ssh client?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

That would be useful

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adde:

that sux

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ille:

adde: google for putty

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GreyFoxx:

go download putty

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adde:

in dev/dvb i have Adapter0 1 2 3 – what do i do to see if card is working?

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juski:

you should only have adapter0

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juski:

if you only have one card

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adde:

thats wird...is it something to do with Knoppmyth?

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juski:

anyway you need the dvb-utils to test the tuner

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juski:

see the mythtv wiki

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adde:

got the tools

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adde:

just got to send them over to the box

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ille:

dvbscan shall be available in KM

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adde:

"main:2228: FATAL: failed to open '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0': 19 No such device"

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ille:

does lspci -v find the card?

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adde:

v0000:01:05.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7146 (rev 01)

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adde:

0000:01:05.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7146 (rev 01)

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adde:

sorry for dbl posting

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adde:

Subsystem: Technotrend Systemtechnik GmbH Siemens/Technotrend/Hauppauge DVB card rev1.

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ille:

adde: same chip as me.

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adde:

ille i sent you a privmsg

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ille:

adde: are you registred otherwise pm wont work

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adde:

ahhh...nope not regged... :S

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ille:

adde: join #knoppmyth

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kslater:

was using xine -V xxmc to play back a myth hd recording from a slave backend and it got to a point where it locked up the machine. Anyone else seen this behavior?

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Ryushin:

So is there documentation anywhere on how to use Storage Groups?

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GreyFoxx:

The commit log was pretty long :)

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GreyFoxx:

no clue if anyone put it anywhere else

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Ryushin:

Okay, I'll dig for that.

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Ryushin:

Thanks GreyFoxx.

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GreyFoxx:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/12151

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Ryushin:

Cool, thanks again.

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seth|laptop:

so how hard is it these days to do a fresh gentoo install, and build mythtv

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seth|laptop:

:-)

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tank-man:

this hard .

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jams:

ugh Think i'm giving up on packaging mythstreamtv and mythstream

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juski:

seth|laptop: given up on knoppmyth already?

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juski:

bloody hell. the roku soundbridge I was watching just ended on a price that's over 75% of the retail cost of the equivalent (and upgraded) new device, not counting shipping. damn ebay eejuts

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quicksilver:

:)

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quicksilver:

I love that

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seth|laptop:

juski: not so much knoppmyth, as ita ability to use new hardware. Bought a nice new 500GB SATA drive, plugged it in, set it up, now KP says its slow to respond, and then starts getting I/O errors

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seth|laptop:

:-(

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quicksilver:

my dad sold his old mac G5 for about 90% what he paid to replace it with the next-gen model

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quicksilver:

mac 2nd hand prices can be funny

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seth|laptop:

I even updated to r5d1, as r5c7, didn't even see it

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juski:

seth|laptop: old kernel

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seth|laptop:

or old sata_nv drivers, the c7 kernel was 2.6.15 the d1 kernel was 2.6.17

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juski:

ah so obviously not _that_ old then :)

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seth|laptop:

I though maybe I got a bum drive, but the test cd says it is in perfect order

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juski:

that's the problem with 'one size fits all' distro. they don't always work well

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seth|laptop:

well I figure gentoo, X, fluxbox, qt3, and mythsvn aught to do it

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juski:

like knoppmyth is claimed to support 'every remote'.. I know for a fact (without even trying) that it wouldn't support my remote out of the box ;)

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seth|laptop:

her eis what I am getting now, its recording.....http://pastebin.ca/267040

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juski:

seth|laptop: it's not just a chipset incompatability is it? I heard some hdds don't like some kinds of controllers

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seth|laptop:

well, the Dos test cd iso, that I booted, ran an extended test for 20 minutes, all passed 100%

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jams:

juski- you don't want a soundbridge

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jams:

mine makes a nice clock

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juski:

is it that bad?

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seth|laptop:

I am thinking of a new drive layout anyways, |Torg| and I did some hashing out on Saturday, eliminating LVM

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jams:

it has some nice connection options, but the user interface issn't great.

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juski:

ah

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jams:

lot's of pauses and hangs while moving through the interface

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juski:

pity. it looks quite nice

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jams:

also doesn't work with mythupnp

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juski:

I could live with that

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juski:

is the new thing any better do you know?

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adde:

Can somone explain to me Cartesian Lon/Lat setup for DiSEQ

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jams:

don't know.

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adde:

I use 1W Thor and 5E Sirius

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juski:

Cartesian Lon/Lat == map coordinates, surely

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adde:

But why does myth tv want this for EACH Diseq option.?

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jams:

also had times where the soundbridge would lock up and required the power plug to be pulled

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juski:

steerable dish eh? don't come running in here crying about channel change times

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juski:

jams: that's bad

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adde:

No motor for the dish

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juski:

adde: no need to put in DiSEQ stuff then

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adde:

ok

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jams:

yes it is, which is why it's now my clock thats off by about 14 hours =)

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adde:

Whats the difference betweek DiSQE 1.0 and 1.1 ?

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juski:

adde: what's google? we don't get many satellite folks in here

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adde:

ok... darn :)

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adde:

Thanks anyway

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juski:

hrm. mythvideo seems slow to scroll through the gallery. will I be able to speed it up by increasing or decreasing the amount of cover images cached?

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Dagmar:

juski: How slow *is* your frontend?

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juski:

1ghz

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Dagmar:

...and I don't think it actually caches those thumbnails

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seth|laptop:

here is a quick question, is mtd borken in the fixes branch?

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qu0zl:

juski, 1ghz via, don't forget the via bit ;)

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jams:

seth|laptop- I doin't think mtd has been modified in some time

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seth|laptop:

jams: well mine would not work last night, was trying to import my "click" dvd, and it failed quite oddly, complaining about mtd has requested that 0 bytes of data be written to /myth/tmp

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seth|laptop:

and then watching it in the menu it was like 0:0:16 of 6152:32:0

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seth|laptop:

6 thousand hours seemed a bit much

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seth|laptop:

well that box is getting gentoo'd tonight anyways, perhaps a different distro will handle it better

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** seth|laptop has given up on pre-pcakaged distros **

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jams:

heh

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jams:

wsa that a perfect or iso rip?

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seth|laptop:

perfect

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seth|laptop:

and the number on the right would grow simultaneously as the one on the left

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seth|laptop:

it was up to like 13 thousand hours, before I pressed ( to cancel

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seth|laptop:

or rather [ressed 9

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jams:

seth|laptop- on another topic what capture cards do you use?

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seth|laptop:

jams: I use 1 PVR150MCE to capture the dish network, and 2 Air2pc rev.2 cards to capture free HD TV

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seth|laptop:

and with the latest svn fixes of .20, I actually had to turn off deinterlacing for HD watching/playing

[17:16:58]

seth|laptop:

i wonder how far behind svn gentoo is

[17:17:18]

** seth|laptop clicks to the online package database at gentoo.org **

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seth|laptop:

eww its masked testing ~

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seth|laptop:

not too far behind though

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seth|laptop:

oh crap thats right , you ahve to emerge each plugin seperately, perhaps I'll just do svn right away

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jams:

woohoo mytharchive appears to work, I can cross that off my list

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ille:

does not for me, I've selected recordings but then IIRC I cant push the OK or Continue button.

[17:32:19]

** juski yells at confused.com. piece of crap for not working with firefox **

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juski:

I need to shop around for building & contents insurance but of course all the major comparison websites don't like firefox

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juski:

sod it I'll change my mortgage provider as well. and why not.

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Zider:

well, whaddya know.. I'm a dad.. sort of..

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juski:

congratulations?

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Zider:

thanks, I think

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Zider:

;)

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juski:

heh

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juski:

I need to turn this desk into a desk again

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Zider:

turn it sideways

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juski:

whee I can see wood now

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Zider:

coool

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Zider:

I can see clearly now.. *hums*

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juski:

very important work to do tonight, and it aint mythtv related (for a change)

[17:41:44]

juski:

I realised yesterday that I'd never quite got around to getting building insurance for my house

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juski:

so like er.. if it burnt down or something I'd not only be homeless

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ille:

1 year was included in building of ours

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seth|laptop:

Congrats Zider

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juski:

jees. I can take 5 years off the repayment time AND pay less a month if I switch

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Zider:

seth|laptop: thanks, er, I think.. ;P

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seth|laptop:

Zider: my wife is working on our 2nd

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seth|laptop:

and its a girl 2!!

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seth|laptop:

or rather also

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** seth|laptop ponders the thought of living in a home outnumbered by girls **

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** seth|laptop shudders **

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Zider:

seth|laptop: well, this is only mine in a biological sense..

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seth|laptop:

well that will mean 1 more mythbox to build

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seth|laptop:

ah

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seth|laptop:

I have one of those too. She is 19 now

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Zider:

ah

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seth|laptop:

my girlfriend at the time, never told me until about 6 years ago

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seth|laptop:

but she has another dad now, I'm just the biological one

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seth|laptop:

:-)

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Zider:

well, this is the reason me and my ex broke up :P

[17:50:13]

Zider:

she wanted to keep it, I didn't.. :P

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seth|laptop:

ah

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Paladine:

buggerlugz is in his cage here at the moment :)

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seth|laptop:

well at least you know it exists

[17:50:40]

seth|laptop:

and they are not so bad, after they are around for a bit

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Paladine:

he is anightmare now he is walking

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seth|laptop:

my daughter just started walking like 2 weeks ago, man, talk about having to keep an eye out, sheesh

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Paladine:

hehehe

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Paladine:

yeah logan started walking properly about a week ago

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Paladine:

he was walking for about 2 months before that but only whilst holding onto things

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seth|laptop:

I collect/Use rare swords, and weapons, she made it into that room on Saturday, had to put a baby gate up, to keep her out

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Paladine:

but he has gotten brave now

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Paladine:

oh don't talk to me about baby gates

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Paladine:

logan has figured out how to open ours

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Paladine:

how old is your daughter again?

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Paladine:

she's about the same age as logan isn't she?

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seth|laptop:

she was 1 on nov 16th

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Paladine:

aye logan is 1 on dec 12th

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Paladine:

but he was 2 weeks late

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seth|laptop:

my lttle Kiersten, and Kaeleigh will be born in april

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Paladine:

having his 1st birthday on the 16th

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Paladine:

gonna be nuts

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Paladine:

loads of people coming

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** Paladine doesn't do people very well **

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seth|laptop:

I had that problem last month, hehe

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seth|laptop:

like 40 people in my house, messing with my myth boxen, I have a big hous, but that is alot of people meandering about

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null_:

Is there any setting that could improve fastforward/rewind speed?

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Paladine:

we are having his party at heather's parents

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Paladine:

has cost me a bloody fortune

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Paladine:

Winnie the Pooh party

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Paladine:

oh man you should see what I got him for his birthday though

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Paladine:

sec i will get links

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Paladine:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/kids/5e09/ and http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/kids/5ace/ :)

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Paladine:

gotta start him on that road to geekdom nice and early :)

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Paladine:

I am just in the process of building him an edubuntu box too :)

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Paladine:

seth, you checke dout edubuntu yet?

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Paladine:

it rocks for kids

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T0mW:

I am about to upgrade from 0.18 to 0.20. My new system is Mandriva2007, the old one was Mandriva2005. Thac had the 'mythtv-suite' of RPMs which could be used to install the full load of mythtv onto a Mandriva distro. I don't see those RPMs for 2007.

[18:06:03]

T0mW:

Is there Mandriva2007 RPMs at another repository?

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seth|laptop:

T0mW: you may wnat to consider, building it from source

[18:07:19]

seth|laptop:

want even

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T0mW:

btdt, it is a PITA getting all the stuff collected together.

[18:07:56]

T0mW:

well, if I have to then I have to.

[18:08:30]

seth|laptop:

yes, you would need all the kernel source stuff, but I have never had any luck with the "pre-packaged" version of mythtv, but perhaps someone in here has. :-)

[18:09:24]

T0mW:

is IVTV still a problem for the kernel? I see that mandriva identified the hauppauge PVR250 cards during the install and identified the tuner.

[18:09:46]

seth|laptop:

then in your case, most likely not

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T0mW:

IIRC, ivtv was the main problem we ran into with installs

[18:10:03]

seth|laptop:

if ivtv detect sees it, then your golden

[18:10:44]

T0mW:

heh, no /dev/v4l dir

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seth|laptop:

what does 'ivtv-detect' show

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T0mW:

haven't that app on the system. This is a raw install, I just got the nvidia working with the TV-Out at this point. I've downloaded nothing but the stock Mandriva software.

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seth|laptop:

ah

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jams:

seth|laptop- if your looking for another prepackaged sort of thing. I'm thinking about making my stuff available to the public in the near future

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T0mW:

It was "real interesting" getting the nvidia working, as usual.

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jams:

you can see screenshot at jmeyer.us

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T0mW:

seth|away: ok, I'll go up to ivtv and see what stuff they've got on the wiki and start from there. Thanks.

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seth|laptop:

hehe, that was my login at the house, but your welcome

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seth|laptop:

best of luck to you, my experiences lately with prepackaged distros, has lead me to tonight, going home and blowing everything away in favor of a fresh gentoo 2006.1 install :-)

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seth|laptop:

jams: what are you basing your myth-distro on, deb, rpm, ....

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jams:

neither. its modified arch

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seth|laptop:

cool. that took forever, my /myth folder on the master server, has finally cp -Rp 'd itself to my Sun array. now with any luck, after I get gentoo installed I should be able to copy everything back over

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seth|laptop:

well let me know jams, I'll be glad to test it ut

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seth|laptop:

out even

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jams:

just something i did for myself. Now i'm kicking around the idea of letting others enjoy it

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** seth|laptop wishes he had that kind of talent **

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seth|laptop:

now out into the cold for a smoke, bbiab

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sceo:

is there any easy way to erase all recording schedules?

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Paladine:

bwahahahaha Logan just discovered the joy that is home made mac n cheese :)

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seth|laptop:

heres a quick query, I know I might have asked this in here before, but I just want to be sure, as I am starting from scratch tonight

[18:24:28]

seth|laptop:

who uses sata drives?

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jams:

i do

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Zider:

me

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seth|laptop:

ok, perhaps you can answer me a question, I have a new sata2 drive, WD 500GB, on the back of the drive, it has powe inputs for both "sata power" and "legacy power" my htpc powersupply has both "sata power" and "well of course "legacy power" which do I hook up, or does it take bith.......?

[18:26:20]

seth|laptop:

er both

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Zider:

one of them

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jams:

either one of them will work

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seth|laptop:

one, but it doesn't mater which, or is the "sata power" recommended

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Zider:

don't think any of them is recommended over the other

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Zider:

I don't even know why they made a new standard

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seth|laptop:

ok, just checking, embarassingly enough, this is my first sata drive....

[18:27:23]

Zider:

it's still the same voltages afaik

[18:28:36]

kslater:

maybe this is a stupid question, but can I watch live tv from a capture card in a slave b/e on the master f/e?

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sceo:

kslater: yes

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seth|laptop:

another question, I have 2 boxes, master and slave. slave box has pvr150 and dish network, master box has 2 hd cards, where do I put the shiny new drive, will I get a performance hit by watching/recording hd content over nfs, .vs local, or rather how noticable would it be?

[18:30:04]

seth|laptop:

I ask this , because of future use of mytharchive, I would like to put the burner on the slave, as it is not used much as a frontend, this would ree up resources to watch stuff on the master

[18:32:08]

jams:

I would put the drive with the HD cards.

[18:32:30]

jams:

some people have reported trouble with HD and multiple streams on nfs

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kslater:

sceo: how would I switch inputs to it? Seems like when I tried this in the past it wasn't possible to switch to it. Figured it was b/c the capture card was in a remote box.

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seth|laptop:

ok

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jams:

I don't do HD anymore so I can't report first hand experiance

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seth|laptop:

is it possible to run mytharchive on the slave, pulling data across the network, for the dvd creation, I noticed an option to "copy files to local disk first" I imagine I would need to do that

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juski:

yay my home is now properly insured :)

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seth|laptop:

so how much did you give your pc equipment

[18:35:02]

juski:

now I just need a cheaper mortgage

[18:35:02]

seth|laptop:

??

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juski:

I'm covered up to £75,000

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juski:

automagically. I have an inventory though, which puts the total nowhere near that

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sceo:

kslater: not sure what you mean by "switch inputs" to it. you have your front-end, you pick "watch tv" and as long as that front end is connected to your backend, the live tv stream shows up on your frontend... it was that easy for me, anyway – do you have multiple tuner cards?

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seth|laptop:

my policy has $5000 for office equipment

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kslater:

yes

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jams:

seth|laptop- yes you want to copy files to local disk frist. To try to process large files over the network can take a really long time

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addy2:

I've gotten my mythv up and running, it will record tv, pause all of that great stuff. However when I schedule it to record a show the recorded show does not show up in th "recordings" menu so I can't play it back. The file is in the recording directory, and it shows up under the "previously recorded" menu but I can't seem to figure out a way to get it to play. Any ideas out there to help me?

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juski:

buildings insurance to £400,000 too, which shouuld cover the cost of rebuilding this place

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kslater:

one in the each of two fe / be machines

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seth|laptop:

jams: thanks

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seth|laptop:

that is what I thought

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juski:

being a homeowner is boring in so many different ways ;)

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BULLE:

addy2: simple question, do you actualy get a file on your hd, that can be played by say mplaer ?

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BULLE:

mplayer

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seth|laptop:

kslater: as long as you have a "video source" defined in mythtv-setup, for the remote tuner card, it should just work, to switch between cards you press "Y" or just let myth choose, by priority, should be that easy for you

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juski:

addy2: change the recording group view in 'recorded programmes'

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addy2:

recording group view in "recorded programs, ok I'll try that"

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juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . ecordings.3F

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seth|laptop:

heh, I just found the answer to the sata power or legacy power for my drive, sata power enables hot-plugging, legacy does not, and it says specufically not to use both at the same time.

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kslater:

seth|laptop: thanks – didn't see the Y key in the daily use guide, prolly should have checked the other docs first

[18:43:19]

seth|laptop:

np. i have mine mapped to the remote, I use it daily

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seth|laptop:

:-)

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kslater:

now if I can just get my box to display 1080i I'll be all set

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** addy2 slapps forehead. That worked! THANKS! **

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stuarta:

evening all

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jonK:

hi, anyone able to help me with mythweb — I changed the password for the user mythtv and now get a forbidden/permissions error. I'm unsure which permissions to check, or where to specify a user password in the mythweb configuration.

[19:19:11]

jonK:

note: I mean the linux mythtv user, not the mysql mythtv user

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xris:

jonK: that shouldn't matter

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** stuarta is starving **

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** xris offers stuarta some shoo fly pie **

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seth|laptop:

mmm shoo fly pie, wet bottom or dry

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xris:

dry, apparently

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T0mW:

seth|laptop: yes! I have video! HOORAY! heh

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xris:

first time I've made/tasted it, but it gets kormoc's memonite seal of approval, so it's all good.

[19:24:49]

xris:

mennonite, even

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seth|laptop:

good news T0mW

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T0mW:

seth|laptop: yeah, took a while to figure out the /lib/firmware stuff for ivtv though.

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T0mW:

now to install myth

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stuarta:

mmm shoo fly... tastes like jerky

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seth|laptop:

what

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seth|laptop:

I have one at the house I just picked up, form he amish at saturday's market, shoofly is good, mmmmm.

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** stuarta has no idea what shoo fly actually is... **

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seth|laptop:

its like molasses, some brown sugar, good stuff, looks like sheit, sprinked with sawdust, but it tastes really good

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stuarta:

main ingredient?

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** stuarta finds it in wikipedia **

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seth|laptop:

molasses

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snake3061:

Question? I have a couple of Master/slave boxes running together on the older version of myth I could see ALL the tuners inside mythtv-setup on the MASTER BACKEND MACHINE. Did they change that on version 19 and 20?

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jonK:

xris, what else would cause me to start getting "forbidden" http error when i try to access mythweb — the only think I think I've changed is the mythtv user password

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xris:

jonK: what's forbidden? Check your apache error logs if you don't get enough from the browser

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juski:

re

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stuarta:

wibble

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juski:

wobble :)

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tank-man:

how can i find out what svn release has what protocol version?

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tank-man:

current backend says 32 but precompiled binary i have for osx is 31

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juski:

tank-man: you'd be best using the same version on all your boxes if that's what your angle is, never mind protocol version

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** stuarta is getting telephone deja vu **

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stuarta:

"your call is being held... your call is being held..."

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tank-man:

yea, i just got from svn yesterday for my backend and daily precompiled build of it from a thesniperpad.com (got link from wiki)

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stuarta:

cept it finishes one and starts in the middle of the 2nd one...

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juski:

I spent half an hour on hold tonight. blimmin morethan are so 'cheap' yet they can afford proper onhold musak

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jonK:

xris: checking...

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jonK:

it gives forbidden "you don't have permissions to access mythweb on this server, checking logs

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juski:

oh this is a nice users' list posting... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/239621

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xris:

jonK: sounds like you may have accidentally done a chmod on the mythweb directory

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xris:

make sure it's readable by your www user (apache, www-data, etc)

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juski:

I really like the "But still people wanted yet more for no bill

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juski:

They wanted the channels to change faster still "

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jonK:

the specific error is "directory acccess is forbidden by rule" (from the log)

[19:59:03]

jonK:

checking dir permissions...

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seth|laptop:

juski: that was great, incidently, my zap2it stuff has been restored to mormal by zap2it labs, I gues they figured out what went wrong, but that is a good takle, on a very frustrating point in time :-)

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xris:

jonK: so check permissions

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jonK:

var/www/mythweb is symlink with 777 permissions, simlinked directory is 644

[20:01:25]

xris:

directory needs to be 755

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jonK:

err 755

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xris:

do you have "follow symlinks" enabled globally in your apache config?

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jonK:

unkown at this time. I shall invenstigate

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seth|laptop:

so if anyine using zap2it hasn't done so recently, go ahead and log in, and change your lineups

[20:03:54]

seth|laptop:

Mine were there like before, as if it never happened, hehe

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jonK:

xris: simlinks enabled, for kicks I copied the mythweb dir into /var/www/ and i get a directory listing of it

[20:12:00]

jonK:

I think I can get it running from here — somthing's whacked the .htaccess file

[20:12:44]

xris:

jonK: feel free to look at the new apache conf stuff in svn. the conf and INSTALL doc should work fine in non-svn

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beavis:

where can I change the sound channel settings for a 5.1 system? speaker-test tells me rear right is playing when the subwoofer plays

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gu014:

my potential setup i would be using basic analog cable on one of my composite video inputs of the tv...what type of video & audio card would i need to output both in composite?

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jonK:

that may be it — i just did an svn update yesterday --

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gu014:

analog would come from the wall into my pvr 150..and then needs to be ouput to a composite input of my tv....any suggestions?

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seth|laptop:

use an nvidia card, and either convert the svideo output to composite, or if you don't have one yet, buy a nvidia card, that comes with the composite adapter

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gu014:

i have a nvidia 5200...so..how will i output the audio?

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seth|laptop:

then get a 3.5" stereo to rca adapter, and take that form the lie out on yoursound card to the tv' red and white

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juski:

audio comes out of your sound card

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jonK:

I'm gettng a new 8800 card soon. don;t plan on using it for mythtv

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Gazo:

haha :P

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seth|laptop:

sorry line out of sound card

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gu014:

nice..thank yo

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gu014:

you

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seth|laptop:

8800 would be way overkill for myth

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seth|laptop:

:-)

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Gazo:

there is no such thing as overkill !!

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juski:

yes there is

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Gazo:

1080p is pretty demanding .

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jonK:

sad part is my current desktop (one of the shuttle XPC cases) doesn't have a PCI-e slot — so having to build a whole new system around the new card

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Gazo:

there really is no such thing as upgrading anymore .. everything changes so fast .. its better to just get a whole new system ..

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seth|laptop:

well I think I have some time yet before they will be broadcasting 1080p over the air, so for now my onbaord 6100 card will have to do

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Gazo:

hehe ..

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seth|laptop:

but my box has a pci express slot, just in case

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** seth|laptop is actually contemplating buying an HD Homerun tuner **

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seth|laptop:

as my frontend box only has 2 oci slots

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seth|laptop:

pci even

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Gazo:

actually you can get some pretty decent barebones systems that would make greate mytht boxes .. on the cheap ! Everything build on the motherboard ..

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jonK:

i was going to get the new nvda 610 chipset for the board -

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van-chk:

hello

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van-chk:

i was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction, im trying to just record some audio off my tvtuner card and im using streamer but i dont know how to record to anything other than a wav file. any ideas ?

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van-chk:

i would like it to be compressed while it records

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Paladine:

hmmm you know what we need

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Paladine:

we need an xchat plugin for mythmusic

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Paladine:

as in a plugin that lets xchat display what is playing in mythmusic

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Paladine:

what does mythmusic use to play tracks with, is it a totally internal app

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GreyFoxx:

Ummm.... why ?

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GreyFoxx:

yes, internal

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Paladine:

why? cos I miss being able to share my playlist with people

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Paladine:

is there any way to hook into the mythmusic internals to grab metadeta for xchat?

[20:34:02]

GreyFoxx:

In all honesty, do people really care what music you are listening to ? I'm seriously curious :)

[20:34:03]

Paladine:

data

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Paladine:

yeah actually a lot of channels I hang out in do

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Gazo:

haha , no doubt !

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juski:

my playlist is bigger than yours!

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Paladine:

bearing in mind I am permanently connected to 8 irc networks

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juski:

nerrrrrrrrrr

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Paladine:

and in 20+ channels at a time

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GreyFoxx:

I know there is a way to see what is being watched with the internal player, so it might be something available in the telnet interface or the perl bindings

[20:34:52]

Gazo:

dude , you need to UNPLUG

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Paladine:

Gazo, I haven't unplugged in 15 years, I am not about to start now

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juski:

one day, there'll be more data than the likes of the stuff we give to last.fm – and we won't want it. start now

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** GreyFoxx only sits on 3 networks, and 6 channels **

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juski:

I sit on 3 channels, #reallife, #mythtv-users, #ubuntu-mythtv and I moderate a forum. oh and I doodle with some themes or other

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GreyFoxx:

# query location

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GreyFoxx:

Playback Recorded 00:00:20 of 00:24:56 1x 1026 2006-12–04T16:00:00

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GreyFoxx:

works for video at least

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GreyFoxx:

doesn't work for music though

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juski:

almost time to uproot my webpages again

[20:37:01]

GreyFoxx:

I'm sure it could be extended to show it

[20:37:10]

kenguru:

hey, why that mythweb page is more "light" when i view it with nokia e60 phone and it's browser.

[20:37:11]

GreyFoxx:

and playlists are reachable via the database

[20:37:32]

Paladine:

greyfoxx, what about that pipe you can use to grab xmms data from? it runs independent of xmms

[20:37:38]

kenguru:

now when my epg won't work i didn't have change to record one show.

[20:37:53]

juski:

Oh I know, I should start rebuilding my musak collection

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seth|laptop:

musak

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seth|laptop:

ack

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GreyFoxx:

Paladine: I'm not sure of what you are referring to, since xxms has nothing to do with MythMusic

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GreyFoxx:

Or are you just comparing?

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Paladine:

I am not talking about xmms

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Paladine:

I am talking about the pipe which you can use to grab music data

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Paladine:

but Iforget the name of the app

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Gazo:

xmms is sooooooo gtk1 :P

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GreyFoxx:

cddb isn't it ?

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Paladine:

I used it to write an xchat script for xmms

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't really looked much

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Paladine:

let me find my old script

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Paladine:

baaah my script doesn't reference it

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Paladine:

the app basically sets up /tmp/xmms-info

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Paladine:

which is a data pipe of xmms metadata

[20:41:53]

Paladine:

but the app that does it is independent of xmms

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Paladine:

so was wondering if it could work with other apps

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juski:

sudo rm -rf /media/music

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juski:

damn

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stuarta:

not the best idea...

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Paladine:

my uber tcl xchat jukebox script :)

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Paladine:

http://pastebin.ca/267379

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juski:

why not? I want rid :)

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Paladine:

god it seems like i wrote that soooo long ago

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stuarta:

juski: that's okay then! :)

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juski:

changed my mind anyway. renamed it instead

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juski:

I have my music in 3 places

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juski:

2 on different hdds on the windaz box, and one on the backend

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juski:

all synced

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juski:

now what I need is a dir without the chaff

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Paladine:

phear my tcl leetness :)

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Paladine:

hehehe that script even uses updatedb and slocate :)

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Paladine:

it was fast as hell

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stuarta:

i should stay here and hack myth.

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stuarta:

however i have no hot water and no heating, so the GF's flat is sounding good.

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juski:

oh crap. my /media partition is like wayyy too full

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juski:

time to have a big tidyup

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tank-man:

power cycle your pc rapidly

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Paladine:

hehehe I just found my badass conkle scripts too :)

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Paladine:

conky even

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janneg:

stuarta: get some pentium4 computer and overclock :p

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stuarta:

it's toasty warm in my room, don't need any more cpu :)

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janneg:

that's the heating and if you use water cooling you can get also hot water

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stuarta:

hard to use for a shower...

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juski:

real geeks never wash

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juski:

that's what I smelled

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stuarta:

and underpants have 4 sides :-/

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juski:

quite

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stuarta:

tho they would need burning after that...

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fryfrog:

stupid linux partition question: anyone know of an easy way to dupe one partition table to another disk?

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fryfrog:

i thought i read you could do something like "sfdisk /dev/sdaX | sfdisk /dev/sdY

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fryfrog:

er, w/o the a shit :)

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juski:

you could dd it if you knew which blocks they were

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fryfrog:

oh well, i guess i'll do it the hard way

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fryfrog:

its only two partitions :p

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stuarta:

if the new partition is big enough, dd should do the trick

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stuarta:

although there is a high chance of blatting your data should you miss-type something

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fryfrog:

yeah, turns out i only need to copy one number :)

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fryfrog:

since it was two partitions, i just needed the ending block for the first partition

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fryfrog:

cause duh, the second one starts right after (and goes to the end) :)

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kormoc:

fryfrog, you should use cfdisk anyway :P

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fryfrog:

to late! :p

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fryfrog:

my switch from gentoo -> ubuntu is finalized now

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fryfrog:

my ubuntu raid1 is syncing to the "just in case" half of my old gentoo raid1 :)

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fryfrog:

ls

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

didn't disconnect?

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T0mW:

fryfrog: dd if=/dev/hdc1 of=/dev/hdd1

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T0mW:

fryfrog: partitions should be the exact same size though

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Hoxzer:

what is this huge ubuntu boom?

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** T0mW thinks it is SuSe users running from Novel **

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** seth|laptop had no luck with ubuntu amd64, gave up **

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fryfrog:

i went with ubuntu x86 so i could run the same on all boxes

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fryfrog:

its been pretty good to me so far, though i'm running mythtv svn head which isn't really what i wanted to to :p

[21:08:19]

T0mW:

seth|laptop: I'm not thrilled with Mandriva's x86_64, but it does work fairly well on X2 4800

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seth|laptop:

well I will try knoppmyth r5d1 again tonight, I found some jumper settings for my new sata drive that enable things like power spin up, and spread spectrum. If installing these jumpers, and booting up, KP fails to use my drive, it gets whacked, and then off to gentoo, fortunatley KP installs in about 16 minutes, just in case it fails me

[21:10:29]

fryfrog:

blech, installing gentoo!

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fryfrog:

takes so long :)

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seth|laptop:

well sabayon install with desktop in just over an hour

[21:10:58]

seth|laptop:

1hr and 10 minutes

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fryfrog:

sabayon?

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seth|laptop:

gentoo, with beryl, and xgl, from a live dvd

[21:11:30]

seth|laptop:

http://www.sabayonlinux.org

[21:12:00]

seth|laptop:

in 1 hour you get all the popular desktops, all the popular apps, and a gentoo 2.6.18 base

[21:12:09]

fryfrog:

ah, not bad

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seth|laptop:

nice graphical installer

[21:12:17]

fryfrog:

i assume it is binary distro?

[21:12:34]

fryfrog:

or is it like gentoo bin packages

[21:12:43]

fryfrog:

you can use em to get oing, then use source later/after?

[21:12:55]

seth|laptop:

no, its gentoo, with preselected pacakges, and a stage3 base, then when you are done, you do layman -s sabayon, and an emerge --sync, and your off

[21:13:31]

seth|laptop:

damnable qt4 though, have to emerge gentoo-sources, and then get qt3

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seth|laptop:

not a good myth platform, from the install

[21:13:56]

seth|laptop:

but saves alot of tiome from the gentoo side of the house

[21:13:58]

seth|laptop:

:-)

[21:14:03]

jams:

seth|laptop- just sent you a pm with the download url

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jams:

give it a try to see how it likes your sata setup.

[21:14:47]

jams:

won't hurt my feelings if you drop it for something else

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seth|laptop:

I am always game for something new

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seth|laptop:

;-)

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jams:

just don't connect a frontend to any other systems you might have laying around. I'm using a recent SVN version of myth so it might update the db schema

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Paladine:

seth, write a script for xchat to show what mythmusic is playing ;)

[21:27:53]

seth|laptop:

yeah, right

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seth|laptop:

hehe

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seth|laptop:

I only use it at work, mostly use naim, and irssi at home, but this is a solaris box, asnd they dont like irssi installed on them, hhe

[21:29:41]

cureless:

this weekend I had some strange luck

[21:30:09]

cureless:

first, I ran into a blog posting about a patch to use the IR blaster on the PVR-150/250/etc

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cureless:

and I thought, it's a nice trick, I'll wait until it gets merged before using that, I'll just install my serial ir blaster on my new box.

[21:30:57]

cureless:

... until I discovered that my new box did not have a serial port.

[21:31:19]

seth|laptop:

eww

[21:31:19]

cureless:

oh well.

[21:31:33]

cureless:

That was my fault for buying new hardware.

[21:31:42]

Paladine:

your mobo not come with a pcu mountable serial port?

[21:31:42]

cureless:

(and not checking about the serial port)

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cureless:

nope

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Paladine:

pci

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Paladine:

most of them do, in fact I have yet to find one that didn't

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Paladine:

you got unlucky there

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cureless:

by pci I assume you mean back plate.

[21:32:11]

Paladine:

yeah

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Paladine:

takes up a pci "slot" on the backplate as opposed to pci socket

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cureless:

nope, the funny part is that when I bought it it didn't even occur to me to look for it

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Paladine:

you in the UK?

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cureless:

I was just happy it had an integrated DVI port.

[21:32:57]

cureless:

nope, California

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Paladine:

oh well you crapped out then, I have about 5 :)

[21:33:15]

cureless:

but at the end it won't matter. I got the IR blaster from the PVR-150 working.

[21:33:18]

Paladine:

god Imiss california

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cureless:

So, crisis averted.

[21:33:41]

Paladine:

<- used to live in Napa

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cureless:

Paladine: so you have 5 pci-serial boards?

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cureless:

or just the back plates?

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cureless:

'cause the MB doesn't have a serial connector inside either.

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Paladine:

5 serial ports which plug into the mobo and take up a pci back slot

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cureless:

and actually this solves the problem of having 2 lirc's.

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cureless:

yeah, no such plug on my MB

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monteslu:

hey guys, I'm new to myth. Gonna get a happuage wintvpvr150, I think. Is it possible to get the coax input to do output?

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GreyFoxx:

monteslu: no

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monteslu:

or should I buy a more expensive card?

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GreyFoxx:

the only card that does output is the 350

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kormoc:

monteslu, you can buy an nvidia card to do output with tho

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GreyFoxx:

and frankly unless you are SERIOIUSLYhurting for cpu it's awaste of money

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cureless:

monteslu: what kind of output do you need?

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monteslu:

just ntsc

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monteslu:

nothing special

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kormoc:

monteslu, can't use svideo or composite?

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cureless:

monteslu: coax? component? composite? s-video? dvi? hdmi?

[21:44:50]

monteslu:

coax would be nice, but I guess i can do composite

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cureless:

heh, I almost got those in the right order

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kormoc:

composite tends to look better then coax anyway

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monteslu:

is the composite on the 150 for output?

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kormoc:

monteslu, no...

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xris:

monteslu: no

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xris:

you want a video card to do that

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cureless:

monteslu: output is normally done by a video card.

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kormoc:

monteslu, liek GreyFoxx said, only the 350 has video out, and a 150 + nvidia card is cheaper and better then a 350

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monteslu:

cool. got plenty of nvidia cards

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monteslu:

some even have video out :)

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Paladine:

I bet NVidia can't even remember the last card they mad without video-out

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Paladine:

s/mad/made

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fourcheeze:

surely all video cards have video out

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monteslu:

sure, vga

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cureless:

... specialyl because NVidia didn't make it ... it was the manufacturer who added the non-vga/dvi outputs

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** fourcheeze wonders if the v in vga stands for video **

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Paladine:

4cheeze, how obvious do we have to make it that we are not talking about rgb out?

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BULLE:

he, nvidias newest chip, doesnt have video out

[21:48:11]

fourcheeze:

awww go on take a joke

[21:48:21]

BULLE:

doesnt have dvi or vga out either, it has nothing

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cureless:

one day all you'll need is a normal dvi->hdmi adapter (if the tv doesn't take dvi directly)

[21:49:05]

monteslu:

got a tnt1 laying around somewhere with composite out.. too bad nvidia dropped new drivers for anything less than a geforce

[21:49:25]

Paladine:

they provide legacy drivers which work fine

[21:49:31]

Paladine:

and are updated

[21:49:41]

Paladine:

last update on the legacy drivers was in september iirc

[21:49:52]

monteslu:

I've had compile errors on newer kernels

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Paladine:

and includes support for xorg 7.1 among other things

[21:50:14]

monteslu:

must have tried at a bad time...

[21:50:19]

kormoc:

Paladine, if by september, you mean august

[21:50:22]

fourcheeze:

ok, well here's a question for all you video out people

[21:50:25]

kormoc:

:P

[21:50:26]

Paladine:

no I mean september

[21:50:32]

fourcheeze:

what's the best way to do mpeg decoding

[21:50:36]

Paladine:

if I meant august I would have said august :[p

[21:50:38]

kormoc:

Paladine, http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-7184.html

[21:50:42]

fourcheeze:

my output is rgb/dvi

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kormoc:

Paladine, Release Date: August 24, 2006

[21:50:48]

cureless:

fourcheeze: define best. best quality? best speed?

[21:50:57]

fourcheeze:

lowest cpu overhead

[21:51:06]

kormoc:

fourcheeze, XvMC?

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Paladine:

that is the latest release, I don't think

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cureless:

xvmc

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Paladine:

isn't

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kormoc:

Paladine, sure is

[21:51:23]

fourcheeze:

hmm

[21:51:27]

kormoc:

Paladine, http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html

[21:51:31]

kormoc:

Paladine, Latest Legacy GPU version: 1.0–7184

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fourcheeze:

kormoc: cureless: I think I've got xvmc enabled here – got nvidia 6200

[21:52:06]

fourcheeze:

still seems to be taking about 40% of cpu to play an mpeg stream

[21:52:14]

fourcheeze:

must be missing something somewhere

[21:52:23]

kormoc:

fourcheeze, you could disable de-interlacing

[21:52:26]

cureless:

fourcheeze: how do you know you have xvmc enabled? what did you do?

[21:52:39]

cureless:

fourcheeze: also, are you using nvidia drivers?

[21:52:48]

fourcheeze:

ok, the full story

[21:52:53]

fourcheeze:

using the nvidia binary driver

[21:53:03]

fourcheeze:

got +++ fps on opengl

[21:53:29]

fourcheeze:

now I'm not entirely sure I am using xvmc

[21:53:32]

fourcheeze:

how can I tell?

[21:53:43]

fourcheeze:

using ubuntu mythtv packages

[21:53:47]

kormoc:

check the output the frontend spits out when run via a console

[21:54:49]

cureless:

fourcheeze: check /usr/lib for the xvmc drivers, the base one (.so.1 maybe) should probably point to the NVidia version of the library.

[21:54:55]

fourcheeze:

ahh ok

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cureless:

s/drivers/library/

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fourcheeze:

I've got an indefined symbol

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fourcheeze:

libXvMC.sp.1

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fourcheeze:

.so.1

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fourcheeze:

:-)

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Paladine:

kormoc, thats kinda funny, because they used to have a link up to a release in september, it must have been an error

[21:55:29]

fourcheeze:

ok so I symlink that to nvidia

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cureless:

fourcheeze: yes, try that. Though I would suggest you write down what you are doing (and not permanently erase any files) just in case.

[21:56:00]

Paladine:

cos I have had this conversation before a couple of months back and they definitely had a legacy release in september according to what was on their site

[21:56:13]

Paladine:

I guess they cocked up

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Paladine:

they must have meant the regular driver and not the legacy

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fourcheeze:

cureless: fear not :-)

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kormoc:

perhaps, perhaps

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Paladine:

they seem to have removed the old sticky called "Latest Legacy Drivers" too

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Paladine:

in the Linux Forum

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monteslu:

does hauppage develop the wintv driver for linux?

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kormoc:

monteslu, no

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GreyFoxx:

most of the work was done before they gave any info. PEople had to hack it the hardware :)

[21:58:37]

kormoc:

Paladine, they defently don't show it on there anymore, ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/

[21:58:53]

Paladine:

yeah I know I just checked :)

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monteslu:

guess that's why they only list windows in sys requirements huh?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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monteslu:

is there a better cheap card to get?

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Paladine:

kormoc, allsaid and done though, they are doing a crap load more than ATI *cough AMD* are doing for legacy products

[22:00:12]

kormoc:

monteslu, for just standard analog cable? not really. the pvr 500 is just 2 150's in a single card, so it can record two shows at once

[22:00:18]

monteslu:

yeah, I got 3 ati all in wonders that are no better than doorstops it would appear

[22:00:19]

fourcheeze:

cureless: kormoc: ok now mythfrontend doesn't start missing _xvmc_create_context

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Paladine:

the pvr150 is a rocking card

[22:00:41]

Paladine:

i don't understand why people always ask "is there nothing better???"

[22:00:46]

Paladine:

it is a great piece of hardware

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fourcheeze:

can I have a look at someone's ls -l /lib/usr | grep XvMC ?

[22:00:58]

fourcheeze:

/usr/lib even

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monteslu:

Paladine, just making sure my 100bucks is well spent

[22:01:05]

** fourcheeze is too tired today **

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cureless:

fourcheeze: are you still getting too much cpu usage?

[22:01:20]

Paladine:

monteslu, you won't find a better card for linux and myth support imo

[22:01:31]

fourcheeze:

cureless: no mythfrontend doesn't start ATM

[22:01:36]

monteslu:

kormoc, can you just install two 150s to get the functionallity of the 500 ?

[22:01:48]

Paladine:

you get better functionality

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monteslu:

Paladine, good to know. That's why I asked :)

[22:01:57]

Paladine:

some of the 500 have a funky chipset that doesn't play nice

[22:02:05]

kormoc:

monteslu, sure, you get the same, but the 500 is cheaper then 2 150's

[22:02:15]

kormoc:

Paladine, which is fixed for the most part now

[22:02:15]

xris:

kormoc: no it isn't

[22:02:21]

kormoc:

xris, ooh?

[22:02:22]

Ryushin:

Has there been any word on anyone getting XvMC to work with HD yet? I gave up on it several months ago. SD works fine, HD will stutter some no matter what I do.

[22:02:26]

cureless:

fourcheeze: libXvMC.so -> libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1

[22:02:28]

Paladine:

2x150s are way cheaper than the 500 here

[22:02:28]

xris:

kormoc: about $8–10 more

[22:02:32]

fourcheeze:

I've got libXvMC.so.1.0.0 symlinked to libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1

[22:02:56]

kormoc:

fourcheeze, http://pastebin.ca/267495

[22:02:57]

fourcheeze:

I think they all point to the same thing in the end

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cureless:

fourcheeze: how about libXvMC.so ?

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BULLE:

anyone having high cpu useage all time, when enabling the opengl renderer ?

[22:03:22]

fourcheeze:

points to libXvMC.so.1.0.0

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BULLE:

i have like 10% cpu useage, whenever i enable opengl

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xris:

BULLE: do you have GL acceleration?

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Paladine:

my cpu usage is like nothing

[22:03:42]

BULLE:

xris: yes, nvidia binary only

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cureless:

kormoc: what are you using? distro?

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BULLE:

xris: its an 7300 chip, but it should be fast enough not to eat cpu while just showing the menu

[22:04:10]

fourcheeze:

cureless: kormoc which version of nvidia's driver do I need for this?

[22:04:10]

xris:

yeah

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kormoc:

cureless, gentoo

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fourcheeze:

currently on 8776

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Paladine:

BULLE what vender is showing in glx-info?

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cureless:

kormoc: your default XvMC is not nvidia, so you must have compiled against the nvidia libs

[22:04:38]

BULLE:

its not a big problem, just something i observed

[22:04:39]

kormoc:

fourcheeze, I'm using 9629

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BULLE:

Paladine: wait, will take a look

[22:04:46]

juski:

mythfrontend is hanging when a recorded show reaches the end. it doesn't go back into the 'watch recordings' menu – just sits there, hung. machine isn't locked up though

[22:04:53]

kormoc:

cureless, indeed

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stuarta:

juski: think that was fixed a few days ago.

[22:05:17]

fourcheeze:

ok, I'll uprade nvidia then try again

[22:05:18]

kormoc:

cureless, well, sorta

[22:05:25]

juski:

stuarta: in -fixes?

[22:05:26]

fourcheeze:

cureless: kormoc: thanks for the help

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BULLE:

Paladine: client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation

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stuarta:

juski: don't think the problem was ever in -fixes

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kormoc:

cureless, it compiled against libXvMCW, and libXvMCW is set to libXvMCNVIDIA

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cureless:

fourcheeze: this is me: http://pastebin.ca/267498 I use 8776

[22:05:51]

BULLE:

Paladine: server glx vendor string: SGI

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Paladine:

k

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Paladine:

was wondering if you still had opensource modules running :)

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Paladine:

but you don't

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juski:

stuarta: ahh but it is :) I'm seeing it & can reproduce it

[22:06:24]

BULLE:

Paladine: no, you might be right actualy

[22:06:26]

fourcheeze:

cureless: interesting

[22:06:36]

BULLE:

Paladine: later on, in the output i see OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org

[22:06:48]

fourcheeze:

cureless: which distro?

[22:06:48]

stuarta:

juski: ah well, hmm, might be time to play search the changeset.

[22:06:48]

cureless:

fourcheeze: all I use is the link I told you, libXvMC.so

[22:06:49]

Paladine:

oooo

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cureless:

fourcheeze:debian

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Paladine:

did you just install the glx drivers?

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cureless:

fourcheeze: run ldd on your mythtv executable to see which lib it's using.

[22:07:15]

BULLE:

Paladine: the whole machine is very newly installed

[22:07:20]

juski:

stuarta: it's something I can work around by padding extra onto recordings

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BULLE:

Paladine: but originaly it was with org xfree drivers, from the install dvd, and later replaced it with the nvidia ones

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stuarta:

!trout national_rail_enquiries watching paint dry

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** MythLogBot slaps national_rail_enquiries with a watching paint dry trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[22:07:45]

Paladine:

Bulle, try a reboot (cos I can;t remember how to manually unload the opensourcemodules)

[22:07:46]

juski:

oh and my magical vanishing digital audio is back.. or rather, NOT

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BULLE:

Paladine: will try that when the box isnt recording anything

[22:08:13]

stuarta:

hmmm...

[22:08:18]

Paladine:

or ask someone how to manually unload the open source modules and reload the glx modules

[22:08:32]

juski:

I dunno which is worse, minimyth not being able to play recordings or ubuntu being a pile of doodoo

[22:08:37]

Paladine:

the nvidia-glx modules even :)

[22:08:54]

Paladine:

I have only had 3 hours sleep in the last 50 odd hours, so I am not quite with it

[22:09:01]

kormoc:

xorg modules don't need a reboot to 'unload'

[22:09:09]

stuarta:

hey I was thinking of trying that pile of doodoo

[22:09:09]

kormoc:

restarting X will unload-reload them

[22:09:18]

Paladine:

kormoc, no it doesn't always work

[22:09:25]

kormoc:

sure it does

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cureless:

nothing needs a reboot to unloiad... except binary drivers, firmware and ipv6

[22:09:29]

Paladine:

no it doesn't

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kormoc:

the only things the opensource drivers might have that will screw with nvidia's is the kernel's AGPGART modules

[22:10:19]

Paladine:

xorg restart is flakey

[22:10:26]

Paladine:

at the very leat you shoudl stop start

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Paladine:

as opposed to restart

[22:10:33]

Paladine:

because restart does not always work

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kormoc:

a restart is a stop start...

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kormoc:

there is no 'restart' other then that

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Paladine:

dude I am not gonna sit here arguing with you, i spent weeks in #xgl dealing with these problems every hour of every day

[22:11:30]

Paladine:

so you can either believe me or not, I could give a flying fsck :)

[22:11:33]

** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

I don't need to sit for weeks in irc channels getting help, It works fine for me

[22:12:05]

Paladine:

I wasn't getting help, I was giving it

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Paladine:

now do i really have to put you on ignore before you get the hint?

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kormoc:

meh, feel free, not like I care, and honestly, I'm not the only one saying that you're wrong about this

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fourcheeze:

cureless: did you build your own myth?

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Paladine:

well clearly I am not wrong, because it hasn't worked for him, he still has mesa running glx

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kormoc:

erm, that won't change by just restarting X

[22:14:07]

kormoc:

he has an issue with the wrong glx drivers being used

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cureless:

fourcheeze: partially, but everything is cookie cutter from multimedia-debian.org

[22:14:28]

Paladine:

<kormoc> restarting X will unload-reload them

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kormoc:

rebooting won't help with files being phyiscally relocated

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Paladine:

stop contradicting yourself

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kormoc:

erm

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Paladine:

forget it, I am not going to discuss it with you any more

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kormoc:

I'm just stating that restarting X unloads any X modules and reloads them

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Paladine:

you are clearly here to do nothing but argue for the sake of it

[22:14:57]

kormoc:

I never stated it will fix it

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fourcheeze:

cureless: if I do it your way I get the same error when I try to start playing video

[22:15:39]

cureless:

fourcheeze: did you check what libraries mythtv is using?

[22:16:07]

kormoc:

Paladine, no, I just corrected you about how X handles X modules, and you won't accept that you were wrong

[22:16:26]

Paladine:

I am not wrong, I have said it 3 times now restarting x does not always work

[22:16:29]

Paladine:

now welcome to ignore

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fourcheeze:

cureless: loads !

[22:17:09]

fourcheeze:

rich@orinoco:~$ ldd /usr/bin/mythfrontend | grep -i xv

[22:17:10]

fourcheeze:

libXv.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXv.so.1 (0xb6746000)

[22:17:10]

fourcheeze:

libXvMCW.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXvMCW.so.1 (0xb6739000)

[22:17:10]

fourcheeze:

libXvMC.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXvMC.so.1 (0xb6735000)

[22:17:21]

fourcheeze:

sorry should probably have pastebinned that

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xris:

Paladine: generally, kormoc knows more than most people about X setup.

[22:19:47]

Paladine:

I am not disputing that

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Paladine:

but he is wrong in this case

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Paladine:

restarting X does not always work, it is buggy

[22:20:03]

Paladine:

and it is known to be buggy

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cureless:

fourcheeze: can you run mplayer with xvmc?

[22:20:35]

cureless:

fourcheeze: mplayer -vo xvmc something

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Paladine:

I know because I have dealt with it dozens of times with different people

[22:21:25]

Paladine:

anyway lets just drop it, I don't sit in here for arguments

[22:21:37]

Paladine:

if I wanted arguments I could just join ##windows

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Zider:

with two # ?

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Paladine:

yes

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cureless:

Zider: 'cause it's not official

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Zider:

never seen that

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Paladine:

its a freenode thing

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cureless:

Zider: non official channels start with ## on freenode

[22:22:25]

Zider:

still never seen that :)

[22:22:34]

Paladine:

well you have now :)

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juski:

so my alsa.conf is still the same, yet surprise surprise the digital audio is still gone. bunch of arse

[22:23:10]

Zider:

Paladine: guess so ;)

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tank-man:

any nuvexport users? getting this error from svn release http://pastebin.ca/267518

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fourcheeze:

cureless: mplayer complains that the selected video out device is incompatible with this codec

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cureless:

fourcheeze: you might have to play an mpeg2, if you're doing that already then your xvmc is not correctly setup (which I guess we already knew)

[22:24:54]

fourcheeze:

cureless: before that it complains about not finding a matching colorspace

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fourcheeze:

I'm playing whatever gets sucked of dvb

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fourcheeze:

which I think is mpeg2

[22:25:20]

juski:

hrm. should my .xinitrc file still be running?

[22:25:34]

kslater:

I have a machine connected to a TV at 800 x 600. I have hd content at 720p that will scale and playback on that tv using mythtv. I also have content at 1080i that won't playback. Anyone want to tell me why?

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cureless:

juski: wouldn't surprise me

[22:25:56]

juski:

oh wait of course it should. it launches ratpoison & mythfrontend. duh!

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fourcheeze:

cureless: while I'm trying to sort this is there a method which is nearly as fast as xvmc?

[22:26:24]

juski:

kslater: because it's underpowered maybe – and is having to downscale

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cureless:

fourcheeze: by fast you mean uses less cpu? other than using a decoder card (pvr-350) no.

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kslater:

could be I guess, but playing back the 720p doesn't stress it much (say 25% cpu)

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kslater:

in xine, either will playback

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Paladine:

kawfee

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fourcheeze:

I think I might try building my mythtv against the nvidia xvmc tomorrow

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fourcheeze:

is that straightforward?

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kormoc:

fourcheeze, really, you should just build it with xvmcw and have that set to the nvidia driver

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kormoc:

xvmcw is a wrapper that allows you to change xvmc drivers on the fly without recompiling

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fourcheeze:

ahh ok

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kormoc:

that also includes when you update drivers and such :)

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fourcheeze:

right, I'll do that

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fourcheeze:

I wonder why ubuntu's myth isn't built against that already

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juski:

what the fuck? my saved alsamixer settings have been banjoed by mythtv

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juski:

without 'use internal volume control' enabled

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juski:

so this is why the spdif output keeps vanishing

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juski:

though why it does it randomly is beyond me

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kormoc:

fourcheeze, it's been known to be a little flaky at times, but it's stablized a lot a few months ago

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juski:

or is it just that alsactl -store sometimes just not get restored properly?!

[22:35:40]

juski:

or in english this time... or is it that saved mixer settings sometimes don't get loaded, perchance?

[22:36:20]

juski:

that I can get around with amixer set foobar stuff in a script of course

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juski:

alsa... it lets you think you have it beaten, then whack!

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Toast:

I have a TV card which works using xawtv, but which locks my whole system up using mythtv. Could anyone give me some pointers to how to debug this problem please?

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tank-man:

look at the backend log

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tank-man:

maybe it is in /var/log/mythbackend

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T0mW:

I give up: "QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded", neither google, myself or gossamer has clue as to what this means. Anyone care to quess?

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T0mW:

mysql5 is in there

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T0mW:

built mythtv from source

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T0mW:

actually from svn source

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kormoc:

T0mW, qt doesn't have mysql support

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T0mW:

okay, and...

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kormoc:

it needs to?

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T0mW:

I would not know, I have libqtsql installed...

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kormoc:

what about libqtmysql?

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kormoc:

erm, libqt-mysql rather

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T0mW:

there doesn't seem to be a package with either of those names, libqtsql was the closest I could find.

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** T0mW wonders if you can do a mythtv-uninstall **

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kormoc:

what distro?

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T0mW:

Mandriva2007

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T0mW:

mythtv-0.18 ran fine on Mandriva2005

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kormoc:

rpm --uninstall mythtv.rpm would likely uninstall it

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kormoc:

but uhh, donno why they wouldn't have the mysql driver

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T0mW:

heh, if only I had RPMs

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tank-man:

try make uninstall

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kormoc:

ooh

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

make uninstall will do it

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T0mW:

I see that plf has rpms...

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T0mW:

I thought that mythtv would have gotten easier to install, I was wrong.

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kormoc:

that's not really a myth issue

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kormoc:

your QT is lacking mysql support

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kormoc:

that's more the distro's fault

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T0mW:

ok, I'll look deeper into the QT crap^HY^H^H^H problem then , thanks

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Toast:

Ok, I have found the area in my mythbackend.log that corisponds with one of the crashes. http://pastebin.ca/267550 looks like there may be more than one thing to fix, but I'm not sure how it took the system down.

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tank-man:

Toast, look at line 4

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Toast:

I'm working on that now, though how would that take down my machine?

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Toast:

Is that setting only availailable from the front end?

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tank-man:

yes i think

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kormoc:

if v4l2 was put into a mode that it didn't understand, it could lock the pci bus up

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Toast:

I would not like a system where any user with access to a front end can take down my server! Still, it's somewhere to start.

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Toast:

This could be intresting... I'm having to run the front end over a remote x session as I don't have any other front ends configured yet.

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kormoc:

yay juski!

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juski:

aye!

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o_cee:

muhaha

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o_cee:

enough said

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juski:

with power comes great responsibility, etc :)

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o_cee:

:P

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T0mW:

with great power can come a careless disregard for others, heh

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juski:

mmmyers

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juski:

anyway I need to find out why alsa is being so alsa-like at the mo'... sucky

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Toast:

is there a collection of standard codecs available for myth? I would like to encode everything as mpeg2.

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juski:

mythtv doesn't do mpeg2 with framegrabbers I'm afraid

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juski:

if you want it all mpeg2, get a pvr card, dvb tuner, ATSC, firewire....

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Toast:

:( I have been hoping to use an media MPV as a front end.

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juski:

MPV? a gas-guzzling frontend?

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Toast:

It's going to be a while before I can get my DVB capture card working...

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juski:

Hauppauge MVP :)

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Toast:

yep

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juski:

I almost bought one of them

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Toast:

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juski:

what's wrong with a nvidia card?

[23:09:26]

juski:

seriously I think you'd be better off spending the cash on another tuner instead

[23:09:48]

juski:

the old advantages of the 350 are pretty slim now.

[23:10:05]

juski:

1. so they save CPU usage. who cares if you have >800Mhz?

[23:10:24]

juski:

2. picture quality.... well my fx5200 compares very well with a proper dvd player

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Toast:

a huppauge 350 has video out and harware playback, so may let me use my tiny mini-itx system to run as a front end + slave backend.

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Toast:

Also, that machine doesn't have an AGP port

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juski:

Toast: my 1ghz copes pretty well

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juski:

and its tv out is pretty good

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Toast:

It's well below 1GHz

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juski:

some of them miniitx doodahs have onboard mpeg2 decoders ya know

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juski:

or is yours not one of them?

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juski:

in which case the 350 would be ok, but again only for mpeg2

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kormoc:

Toast, and a pci video card works fine

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Toast:

I would have to check. I think it was the first one they did... used to be my car MP3 player before these little cheap devices appeared.

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juski:

and I dunno if you care or not but you might have to lose opengl with that slow a cpu & software opengl

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Toast:

To be honist, I'm building this system bit by bit and seeing how it goes.

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Toast:

Lets see if I can crash my server again then.

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T0mW:

kormac: libqt3-mysql (Mandriva), just needed to dope out the correct name for the rpm

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kormoc:

T0mW, niftyness

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juski:

so there's mythtv packages for mandriva?

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juski:

well folks, g'night.. and er.. see yous tomorrow

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purserj:

hi got a question on the dvd import facility. For iso is it just using dd behind the scenes?

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cheatersrealm:

how can I run mythtv-setup as the user mythtv over ssh X forwarding?

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cheatersrealm:

it tells me wthat my credintials won't work or somethng

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cheatersrealm:

actually, scratch that

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cheatersrealm:

I figured out how to set the mysql stuff properly manually

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cheatersrealm:

now I get 'could not connect to the master backend server — is it running?...'

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cheatersrealm:

the IP address in the client is set correctly

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cheatersrealm:

I'm assuming this means the server address is not set correctly

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cheatersrealm:

when i try to run mythtv-setup it detects that the backend is running

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cheatersrealm:

ahh, I'm a nub

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cheatersrealm:

ok, so it sees the backend

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|Torg|:

is there a question in there somewhere?

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cheatersrealm:

there was but I fixed it

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cheatersrealm:

:)

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cheatersrealm:

ok, I have a question now how do you change channels?

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cheatersrealm:

(keyboard)

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|Torg|:

there is a file clled keys.txt that explains all the keys ued

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|Torg|:

to change cahnels in live tv the up and down arrows followed by enter for what you chose on teh osd will chnge channels

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cheatersrealm:

hrm

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cheatersrealm:

if I press up and down, I don't seem to get the OSD

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|Torg|:

in livetv?

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cheatersrealm:

'watch tv' ?

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|Torg|:

yes thats live tv

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|Torg|:

well sorta

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