Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, December 3rd, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Dagmar:

Not like you can readily burn the mpg that comes from the tuner to DVD, either, but at least it's faster to transcode since it's at least *close*

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feld:

and it has a lot of other services running; no more room for wasting ram on transcoding

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Dagmar:

feld: I'd spend the $40 on an upgrade to 1Gb then. :)

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tracy_:

ok, I wonder how much quality I would loose

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feld:

no I am waiting to get my dual P3 1.3ghz server up and running again

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feld:

then i'll move stuff over and it will have tons of ram :)

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feld:

my irc proxy, mail system, etc will be on it instead of on my MythTV box

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Dagmar:

tracy_: About exactly as much as you tell it to lose. This is digital stuff. It doesn't give that gratuitous signal loss that analog recording does

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Dagmar:

feld: Use Gmail and let them do the spam filtering and then you won't need a dual P3 to deal with your mail

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feld:

Dagmar: i have gmail

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feld:

i also have lots of other pop accounts

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Dagmar:

Then you're doing something very very wrong there somehow

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feld:

they are all pulled down every 15 minutes

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feld:

and available by IMAP

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feld:

SSL, even

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** Dagmar points at IMAP and grins. **

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feld:

then it fowards to my ISP's SMTP server

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Dagmar:

Have you ever tried to read the spec for IMAP?

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Dagmar:

It might as well be bloody NFS

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feld:

IMAP is very nice

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feld:

yeah, it's filesystem based

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feld:

but it works very, very well for me

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feld:

i can be in any OS on any computer and have my email in front of me

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tracy_:

Dagmar: so do u just set up a transcoding job in myth and then when recording u can click auto-transcode?

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Dagmar:

I had one of my boxes doing mail collation and IMAP for awhile, and then I said to hell with it and started tunneling Evolution and X over ssh because it was actually faster.

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feld:

i even have SquirrelMail making it available via apache

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feld:

so if i'm away from home i can get to my email still

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Dagmar:

tracy_: Actually, that's one of the magic things that recording groups are for

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tracy_:

oh and the do u still need to do nuvexport if u want to move the XviD

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defi__3x:

Well I gues if I turn onm verbose logging in my backend it'll help track the proble.

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feld:

ssh in and tunnel squirrelmail or use pine via CLI

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Dagmar:

feld: I use Evo tunneled over ssh when I'm out at a coffee house or something

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feld:

i've dont that before, it's neat

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feld:

*done

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Dagmar:

defi Yep. You definitely want verbose logging. :)

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feld:

but that would assume that I would have Evo or another mail client available

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feld:

if a computer is off, i cant get to it

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Dagmar:

feld: I can't exactly blame IMAp too much tho. Evolution is almost horrifyingly fast, and I get about 600–800 mails on a slow day

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Dagmar:

I've been using the Win32 build of Evolution at work for the last week

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feld:

i used that

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Dagmar:

It's a little hinky, but so far the Exchange admins haven't noticed

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feld:

it works well, just needs some touchups

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Dagmar:

It's sure as hell faster than Outlook

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feld:

outlook sucks

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feld:

i refuse to use outlook

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Dagmar:

Dear god does it

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feld:

i use Sylpheed on win32

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feld:

super fast and lightweight

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Dagmar:

I thought something was wrong with it the first time I tried to search my mailbox, and wound up calling the help desk

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Dagmar:

They're like "no, it takes a few minutes to search through 2,000 emails". My answer was "since when"?

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feld:

it's a joke man

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feld:

omg i search through 20,000 in a blink of an eye

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Dagmar:

I got used to Evo being able to scan through a freaking gigabyte of mail for the word "monkey" in about 2.3 seconds

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feld:

whereas outlook takes FOREVER and grinds away on your hard drive too (which is so freakin weird)

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feld:

Dagmar: looking for the monkey that pees in his mouth?

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Dagmar:

No, just looking to pick a word, any word, to search for

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feld:

<homer> hehehe that monkey got this country through some tough times

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feld:

good old Simpsons ;)

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Dagmar:

By the way, I'll save you a bit of trouble with this tidbit

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Dagmar:

There's just no way to make Evolution readable on a TV> :)

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feld:

you try different font DPI settings?

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Dagmar:

Not unless you can stand to blow away the folder pane and go to only the subject line window and mail window

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Dagmar:

It winds up just being too narrow

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feld:

oh lol

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feld:

yeah

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feld:

i bet you could on a high def tv with a higher rez

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feld:

but not on a standard tv

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Dagmar:

Well, yeah there I'm sure

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feld:

i dont have a need for a hidef tv.

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feld:

:) If I want to see family guy in HD I'll just sit closer.

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Dagmar:

My TV is big, but durable. I don't think I want big and *fragile*

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Scopeuk:

all modern electronics are fragile there designed as such

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Scopeuk:

my good ness if electronics lassted like they use to manufactureers would go out of buisness

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Dagmar:

Seeing these units people are destroying because they're such a pack of mouth-breathers they let go of the wiimote in Wii Bowling...

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feld:

Scopeuk: so true

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feld:

Dagmar: i saw that lol!

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Scopeuk:

they cocked up on the tv we had

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Dagmar:

Scopeuk: It's mainly a matter of flatscreen HD plasma/TFT units have a much thinner pane of glass on them than a CRT

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Scopeuk:

the units use to die 3 months before the end of the warenty

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Scopeuk:

Dagmar but they dont have to have

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Dagmar:

I suppose it's because they don't have to worry so much about "customers eyes were filled with flaming phosphorous after falling against the tube"

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Scopeuk:

i know the unit death thing on the tvs becosue we havde 6 do it between us and my grandad

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Scopeuk:

Dagmar spose

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Scopeuk:

also about pinching pennies to enlarge profit margins

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Dagmar:

Some smart cookie will probably start selling nice anti-glare plexiglass panes custom fit to HD displays soon

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Dagmar:

Just a big, dumb shatterproof glass shield to protect the display from it's owner

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Scopeuk:

plasmas arnt as fragile as they look

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Scopeuk:

we have two that are man handled aroudn the student union and live

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but apparently the faceplate over many of them is pretty damn fragile

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Dagmar:

If a two ounce remote control can spiderweb it up

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Scopeuk:

yeh

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Scopeuk:

was this somones home setup or a display stand?

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Dagmar:

A CRT you pretty muhc have to use a 10lb sledge to bust

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Dagmar:

Two different people managed to bust their new HD flatpanel the first weekend the Wii was out

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Scopeuk:

prats

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Scopeuk:

and yes crts are quite durable

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Dagmar:

At least one of them was sensible and willing to admit it was dumb to be letting the remote go

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Scopeuk:

though you can put onethrough wit ha normal hammer

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but it takes some effort

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Scopeuk:

do they not hav a wrist strap?

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Dagmar:

Their wrist straps broke

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Dagmar:

I'm thinking *cut* personally.

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Dagmar:

Both people's pics showed the silk cord part being what broke

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Dagmar:

...and silk cord doesn't snap like that without help of some kind

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Scopeuk:

yeh

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Scopeuk:

not in a day any way and not udner normal usage conditions

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Scopeuk:

eg not being used to suspend a metal bar from a metal bar

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Dagmar:

I'm not sure if I'd like the theme interface to be flexible enough to do a real LCARS interface with

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Dagmar:

I begin to think I should start over working on the stuff for the program guide. The menus keep coming out looking like "Kiddie Mode"

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Dagmar:

The "feel" of LCARS just isn't there

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irata:

please... anyone have any idea why manual record does not work for a composite channel?

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cornel1:

Can anyone advise how to upgrade from R5C7 to R5D1, a link or something?

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sandeen:

how do I tell mythtv to record until I tell it to stop, i.e. not what it thinks the show is?

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Scopeuk:

cornel1 better off in knoppmyth buteither way

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sid:

Is it hard to take a TiVO and make it run MythTV?

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Scopeuk:

you usign a standard setup?

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sandeen:

sid, pretty much impossible

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sid:

Can I rip out the tpm modules or something?

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cornel1:

Gez.... I'm sorry, Scopeuk.... mea culpa

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Scopeuk:

cornel1 any way since imhere

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cornel1:

Um, yes, as much as possible, I hate mucking about.

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Scopeuk:

are you usign a standrard setup?

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|Torg|:

cornel1 just put the disk in and tell it to upgrade

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Scopeuk:

eg ide disc on hda?

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|Torg|:

just dont use an amd64 cpu with it

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sid:

sandeen: What makes it impossible? Isn't it just a board a cpu and a hard disk?

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Scopeuk:

|Torg| was jsut gonana check he wasent usign lvm or sata

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sid:

I must be able to solder off something, or solder on something.

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|Torg|:

ahh ok

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cornel1:

Nope, not 64. No SATA, but LVM.

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Scopeuk:

ok

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Scopeuk:

check the knoppmyth wiki

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Scopeuk:

they have a guide iirc

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Scopeuk:

theres a script that all but does it for you

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cornel1:

I've been looking there.... oops, actually, knoppmyth forum

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Scopeuk:

http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/

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cornel1:

I tried to upgrade to myth .20 (http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t= . . . efc28d6edb7) But it doesn't work for C7, now I have to upgrade to D1.

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cornel1:

Can I just stick the D1 CD in, boot and select upgrade?

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Scopeuk:

cornel1 bgelive there is somethign you have to do first on an lvm setup

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cornel1:

Any idea what it is?

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|Torg|:

yes its on the site

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|Torg|:

http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?id=Pow . . . here=content

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cornel1:

I don't even know what to search for....

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cornel1:

Thanks |Torg|

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|Torg|:

what do you think I posted?

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cornel1:

Yes, and I thanked you

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|Torg|:

your welcome

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cornel1:

I was going to comment that I just can't seem to pick the right search phrases, google, forums, nothing, I can never find what I'm looking for, at least in under an hour.

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cornel1:

;_(

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Scopeuk:

http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=KnoppMythUpgradeWithLVM

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cornel1:

If I'm reading this right, I boot from CD, upgrade, upon the reboot, switch to another terminal, and run recreate_lvm.sh. That right, it seems too easy ;-)

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|Torg|:

acording to that page, yes

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cornel1:

Ok.... well here goes... This seems a bit dangerous for the /myth directory, I'm going to take another backup. scp'ing to another machine takes a while, if I tar it first, will the process be faster?

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|Torg|:

nope

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cornel1:

Oh well

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|Torg|:

scp and tar just move data arround

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|Torg|:

as for the script all its goign to do is import the vg and start the lvs for you

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cornel1:

Which is what needs to be done, after the upgrade process reboots. And when that's finished, switch back and continue, right?

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|Torg|:

yes but you could do that by hand if you knew how to use lvm tools

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cornel1:

A little bit, but I think I'd rather trust another's script. I may look at it first, and figure out what it's doing, to learn, and confirm.

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cornel1:

I'm not a total newbie... but close ;-)

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cornel1:

Well... TTFN, I'm going to wait til the backup's done. Thanks |Torg| and Scopeuk

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Shikkie:

hmm. I just bought a lite on dvd drive at wal-mart today, but when I go to play DVD in mythtv the screen goes black and the activity LED on the drive goes solid but nothing happens beyond that

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Shikkie:

I have to actually SSH in and eject /dev/dvd to get the box back under my control

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ormus:

jams: you still there?

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Shikkie:

any ideas why that would be?

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prgmrchris:

any idea why when i run mythfilldatabase to populate my backend... i see a bunch of 403 like its not authenticating properly?

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gu014:

whats one of the better htpc enclosures to purchase?

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prgmrchris:

onnecting to datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com|206.18.98.160|:80... connected.

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prgmrchris:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized

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prgmrchris:

:(

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xris:

prgmrchris: it can't know to send the auth if it doesn't get "unauthorized" first. what does it say next?

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ormus:

anybody seen this error on the backend?

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ormus:

2006-12–02 17:34:14.422 NVR: Error, cannot open DSP '/dev/dsp'

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ormus:

open: Device or resource busy

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ormus:

2006-12–02 17:34:14.424 NVR: Could not detect audio blocksize

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ormus:

VIDIOCGCHAN: Invalid argument

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ormus:

2006-12–02 17:34:14.452 NVR: Cannot open DSP '/dev/dsp', exiting

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ormus:

open: Device or resource busy

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prgmrchris:

xris: i did give it the info in mythtv-vsetup

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xris:

prgmrchris: again, wget can't know to send auth info unless it's first told by the other side that it needs it

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prgmrchris:

its looping

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prgmrchris:

over and over

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xris:

prgmrchris: once for each day

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xris:

the correct pattern is: connect, unauthorized, connect+auth

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prgmrchris:

ok

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prgmrchris:

so its worked then

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prgmrchris:

but then now

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prgmrchris:

its telling me

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prgmrchris:

2006-12–02 15:42:02.964 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.106:6543

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prgmrchris:

isnt that the ip of the machine if im running everything on one machine?

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prgmrchris:

that is the correct ip

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prgmrchris:

maybe im not running something in the background im supposed to?

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xris:

prgmrchris: I don't see what's wrong so far

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prgmrchris:

when i try to do anything in mythtv its saying it cant reach the backend

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scott_:

anyone here use xbox360 as a frontend?

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ormus:

what is your problem prg?

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ormus:

in mythtvsetup you didn't use 127.0.0.1 did you?

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D-side:

haha so

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D-side:

i was gonna go camp out for a nintendo wii

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D-side:

what the hell really, nothing else better going on this weekend.

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D-side:

apparently theres a shantytown set up in front of the Target and Toys R Us stores of tents and people sleeping on mattresses.

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scott_:

what's so good about a wii? what can you do on a wii you can't do on mythtv?

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scott_:

that's what I thought

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Shikkie:

i might get a wii when a deer hunting game comes out for it

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prgmrchris:

ormus: no

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prgmrchris:

i didnt

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prgmrchris:

i used the lan ip

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prgmrchris:

does it make any difference?

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k-man:

hellow

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k-man:

what is the benefit of playback groups?

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k-man:

and can i use them to display groups of programs in the recorded programs list?

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k-man:

like can i list all the news in one entry instead of each news program in its own entry?

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Anduin:

k-man: You can switch to a category view, or you could throw them all in a group

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jams:

Anduin- would you accept a patch for mythvideo, that made the playercommand a combobox that you can edit?

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jams:

easier with a remote to pick Internal,default mplayer or your own.

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Anduin:

jams: Only if it were done really well, and that only because just that is on my short list post merge

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Anduin:

Of course I've been neglecting the merge for some four or more weeks now.

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jams:

merge or mythvideo and mythdvd?

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jams:

merge of mythvideo and mythdvd?

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Anduin:

jams: Yeah, I was going to wait until after 0.21 or at least something post 0.20 but that was back when people were talking about weeks for such a thing to happen.

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jams:

ok

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jams:

heh it would also work for mythdvd

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Anduin:

Yeah, the idea is player profiles, that you can add to, and an extra button like "Play with" in the context menus.

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jams:

hmm, maybe I should wait then

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Anduin:

jams: I will get to it some day, really. I just need to accept I'm going to have to merge my mythdvd changes back in post merge and things will happen quicker.

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Shikkie:

Anduin, I take it you're one of the project maintainers?

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ormus:

prg: yes...I think I saw somewhere it makes a difference.

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ormus:

jams: i looked at the mythbackend log and it says

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ormus:

2006-12–02 17:34:14.422 NVR: Error, cannot open DSP '/dev/dsp'

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ormus:

open: Device or resource busy

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Anduin:

Shikkie: Not really, I patch monkey for mythvideo/dvd

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k-man:

Anduin, how do i switch to a category view?

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k-man:

and how do i throw them all in agroup?

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Anduin:

k-man: Hit m in watch recordings

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Anduin:

k-man: That is in the recording rule.

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Shikkie:

oh, ok. I was just curious about contributing to mythweb

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jams:

ormus- what are the permissions on /dev/dsp?

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Anduin:

Shikkie: Yeah, xris does that

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ormus:

running everything as root

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ormus:

but think they are 600

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Shikkie:

ok thanks :)

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xris:

Shikkie: what were you thinking of doing?

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jams:

have any sound daemons like esd running?

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ormus:

let me check...I think I did have the "KDE sound system" running but just tried to turn it off...which caused control center to hang so I'm rebooting

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Shikkie:

xris, no specific ideas yet... I do web development at work in asp/sql server and I've done php/mysql stuff since I was in high school. Thought I'd take a look at the wishlist and see what I wanted/was able to do

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ormus:

i did try fuser /dev/dsp at some point and it didn't return anything

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xris:

Shikkie: the video section could use a lot of help, and I won't be able to get to that for awhile

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xris:

mythvideo-related videos, that is

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Shikkie:

oh, I did find a bug in the previous recording page; if you have none it errors in the foreach but I think someone mentioned they would patch it

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xris:

"previous recording" page?

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Shikkie:

"recorded programs"

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Shikkie:

I can't seem to reproduce it at the moment, it was right after I first got the box going and had not recorded anything yet, I just deleted the only thing I had saved and it's not erroring now.

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k-man:

Anduin, so... which should i use? playback grouping or recording groups to list all news in the one group>?

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Anduin:

k-man: My "news" shows are often in the "talk" category so grouping seems better.

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Anduin:

k-man: annoying to switch though

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Shikkie:

has anyone found joy with playing dvds? I'm running an FC6 box that I setup following the tutorial and when I select optical drives->play dvd the screen goes black, the drive spins up but nothing happens it just sits there unresponsive until I ssh in and eject /dev/dvd

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[R]:

does it work if you run your dvd playing program manually?

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Shikkie:

good question... what would the default be? I think mplayer unless I'm mistaken

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[R]:

its whatever you set it to...

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Shikkie:

I didn't set it to anything, that's why I was asking about the default :)

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[R]:

maybe that has something to do with why its not working

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Shikkie:

dvd device is /dev/dvd, vcd dev is /dev/cdrom. on dvd insertion: display mythdvd menu

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Anduin:

It is the internal player by default

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Shikkie:

dvd player command: internal

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ormus:

jams: it was the KDE sound system..I shut it off and now I get a different error in the mythbackend log

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jams:

heh

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jams:

knocking down one at a time

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defi__3x:

Why is VCD even part of the menu anymore

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Anduin:

defi__3x: apparently some people still use them

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defi__3x:

Anduin: Honestly if you have the technical skill to set up Mythtv, then you know how to use DVD's

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Shikkie:

interesting. I set it to mplayer %d and it came up (not full screen, I obviously missed that flag) showed the FBI warning and then closed back to mythfrontend

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defi__3x:

I';m sure youll agree with me that Mythtv isn't for the novice user (in its current state)

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Krazylegz:

So, I got X to output via SVGA to the LCD now. Of course, my DVI-to-HDMI cables arrived this afternoon.

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Krazylegz:

Also, the SVGA setup has a virtual screen and I have no idea why.

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Shikkie:

defi__3x, no, you have to have a geek streak to tackle mythtv

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ormus:

seems like a never-ending process

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defi__3x:

Shikkie: Exactly

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BULLE:

Shikkie: for what its worth, i use fc6, and i can play dvds just fine

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ormus:

the error message is funny "strange error flushing buffer"

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Anduin:

defi__3x: Yeah, it still isn't going anywhere (there was even talk of supporting it in the internal player).

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Shikkie:

BULLE, do you remember if you had to do anything special configuration wise?

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defi__3x:

Shikkie: Also the default movie player in Myth is internal as of .20

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BULLE:

Shikkie: i was actualy positively surprised that it played dvs just fine, with discs having animated menus etc

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BULLE:

Shikkie: no, nothing

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Shikkie:

BULLE, I hate you. ;) j/k

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BULLE:

o/

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Anduin:

Shikkie: I've seen what you describe a few times, usually just trying again has fixed it, when it didn't, well xine or mplayer

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defi__3x:

Anduin: About the only thing it does , for me, is lock my frontend up for about 5 min when I accidently hit it when playing a dvd

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Shikkie:

the only thing I can think of, which should have no bearing, is I replaced the original CDROM with a cdburner/16x dvdrom today

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Anduin:

defi__3x: You can edit dvdmenu.xml and remove the option.

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defi__3x:

Anduin: I did but I'm thinking of the beginners

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ormus:

it appears that is a "lame" error that doesn't necessarily mean anything is wrong.

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defi__3x:

Anduin: I'm sure that i'm not the only one thats suffered through that before getting fed up and editing the menusa

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Anduin:

defi__3x: Yeah, if I actually thought it was that common I'd do something, I've done it a handful of times in the last few years.

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Shikkie:

Anduin, trying again doesn't fix it.. mplayer just pops up, shows the fbi warning and closes

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Shikkie:

hmm, /var/log/messages has a number of errors when I try to play the dvd

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Anduin:

Shikkie: try xine

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Shikkie:

buffer i/o errors

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cesman:

hello hello

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cesman:

is nuvexport 0.4 only for svn?

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cesman:

or does it work w/ -fixes?

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xris:

cesman: it's for .20

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Shikkie:

http://shikkie.pastebin.com/837907 there are the errors I get in /var/log/messages

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cesman:

xris: thanks!

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xris:

.5 is for svn trunk, and I haven't pushed it out yet

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cesman:

ok

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cesman:

wanted to make sure

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Shikkie:

I switched to xine per the myth(tv)ology guide and it throws up an error I can't read on my tv

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sandeen:

so here's a question; it seems odd that if I watch live tv, tell myth to record, hit escape to go back to main menu, select "watch tv" again, it doesn't let me

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sandeen:

I understand that the tuner is locked... but it would be nice if it would take me back to that live show?

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sandeen:

and disallow channel changing...

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sandeen:

can this be done?

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[R]:

sandeen: go to the watch recordings

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sandeen:

[R], I sort of figured out that I could do that... but it seems tedious :)

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sandeen:

i'd rather have it drop me back to the live show that is being recorded

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[R]:

how does it know thats what you wnat to do tho?

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sandeen:

well I told it I want to watch live tv right. so show me the live tv that it can show me, i.e. theshow that is being recorded....

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[R]:

thats not what livetv is

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sandeen:

if I watch the show being recorded as it is being recorded, is that not live tv?

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sandeen:

maybe this is a semantic problem :)

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[R]:

no

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[R]:

livetv is livetv

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sandeen:

and as soon as I hit "r" it's no longer live tv?

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[R]:

as soon as you leave the livetv portion of mythtv its not livetv

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Shikkie:

xine says no input plugin available to handle dvd://

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sandeen:

but, I didn't really leave it, as far as I know... I was watching live tv, and said "oh yeah record this one"

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[R]:

Shikkie: does your xine have dvd support?

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[R]:

but you said you go back to the main menu

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[R]:

thats leaving livetv

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sandeen:

oh, yeah

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[R]:

at which point, myth is just doing a normal record

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[R]:

ing

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Shikkie:

I belive so. I installed the rpms for that

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sandeen:

I'm probably just used to the tivo ;-) there if I say watch livev tv it drops me into the currently recording channel.

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sandeen:

if I try to change the channel it says "ok, but you have to cancel this recording"

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sandeen:

*shrug*

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sandeen:

I suppose I can get used to it :)

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[R]:

well what if you have >1 tuner

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[R]:

how would it know what to do?

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sandeen:

drop me to the last-watched channel and let me change to either of the channels I'm recording? :)

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sandeen:

er, the last-recorded channel

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sandeen:

well, I'm still trying to get my HDTV channels hooked up properly w/ the channel guide, I'll worry about this later

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sandeen:

I assume that zap2it and channels are matched up by using teh same callsign that zap2it uses?

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[R]:

huh?

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sandeen:

so I have listings from zap2it / datadirect

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sandeen:

and I have a channel configuration

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sandeen:

I'm not sure how I tie the two together

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[R]:

just get the listings from zap2it

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sandeen:

yes, I have done that... how does it know which of my channels matches which listing?

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[R]:

zap2it knows channel numbers

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sandeen:

so then I have to set up my channel numbers right.... this is digital tv

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[R]:

oh

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[R]:

OTA?

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sandeen:

QAM in the clear over cable

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[R]:

you can get the listings from zap2it

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[R]:

and then just edit the list

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sandeen:

sorry, which list?

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sandeen:

thanks for all the answers btw

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[R]:

from mythtv-setup

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[R]:

it has all the channels

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sandeen:

the channel editor right

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sandeen:

ah ok so change the channels it has

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sandeen:

you know this is all kinda complex, and I'm a kernel hacker by profession so I'm used to complexity :)

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[R]:

zap2it for my area seems to have the DT channels

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Shikkie:

I have libdvdcss, libdvdnav installed. why would xine still not handle dvds?

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[R]:

3 PBS subchannels... freaking PBS

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sandeen:

yeah mine does too; it's just a question of lining "channel 243" up with 507000000:QAM_256:2560:2561:2 I guess

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[R]:

yeah, i think its just get the listings from zap2it and edit the channel info

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sandeen:

ok, thanks

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sandeen:

it'd be nice to have a net-acessible repository of this stuff

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sandeen:

this is -tedious- ...

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[R]:

what stuff?

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sandeen:

digital channels/subchannels/ids/etc to zap2it channels

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Shikkie:

well... i have another fc6 box that does work for dvds so lemme see if I can figure out the delta

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sandeen:

i see there are channels.conf on the wiki....

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[R]:

you could tell zap2it to add a listing for the QAM channels

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sandeen:

but from the channel scan it's just frequencies etc, cryptic stuff, no "channels" per se right?

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sandeen:

I -do- have a listing just for teh qam channels

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sandeen:

but I still had to scan everything, figure out which ones were in the clear, figure out which of those was which channel

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sandeen:

it'd be nice to be able to easily share that config with the next person in my community who tries to set it up

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[R]:

theres random channels.confs posted across the net

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seth|home:

ls -l

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seth|home:

woops wrong window :)

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sandeen:

for now I think all I can do is put up the channels.conf, then a user still has to go edit in the channel numbersw

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sandeen:

inside mythtv, to get it lined up w/ zap2it

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sandeen:

this is all very cool, just thinking of ways it might be easier to set up

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[R]:

but its just a set and it forget it thing

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sandeen:

sure (as long as cable doesn't rearrange too often)

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sandeen:

but it's been 3 days of "set" :)

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sandeen:

starting from scratch

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[R]:

but once you get the process down...

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sandeen:

then the next person has to do it all over again :)

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sandeen:

but having channels.conf w/ good info would be a huge help, yes

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[R]:

maybe you should start a project

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[R]:

where people can upload their channels.conf

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sandeen:

yep, that's what I was thinking

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sandeen:

if myth could parse the channel names such that it automatically fills in teh channels that'd be nice

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sandeen:

FOO_243:<blah>:<blah>:<blah> goes to channel 243 for example

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sandeen:

or better teh other way around for sorting, 243_FOO:

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Shikkie:

hehe, i think the disc I was trying to play was bad

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Shikkie:

hey..... that's what it was I think

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Shikkie:

put in another disc, set myth to use internal dvd player

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Shikkie:

it's playing now.

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kavorka^:

hi does anybody know anything about ffmpeg? when running nuvexport i am getting ffmpeg: unrecognized option '-max_b_frames'

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Shikkie:

i'm trying to rip a dvd and when I press 0 to start, it says 'no jobs or anything to do. you could press 0 to rip a dvd'

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Shikkie:

any ideas why that could be?

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Shikkie:

ahh... i think i found it... log says bad dest. dir

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briand:

i have a problem – i transitioned to a new mythtv installation (SVN) on a new machine, and copied over the contents of /video/recordings, as well as restoring the mythconverg database from my old box... yet, none of my recordings are showing up in the "Watch Recordings" menu...

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kash:

make sure that the folder is set correctly

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TTT_Travis:

hi, I have a PC that struggles to play some xvid videos (it's a K2 400Mhz with crappy agp card) what is the best upgrade?

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kash:

briand: i did that and the folder was set to /share/mythtv

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TTT_Travis:

I was thinking a video card would help a lot but I'm not sure

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kash:

TTT_Travis: using xv?

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kash:

get a better crappy video card

[05:07:02]

kash:

one by nvidia :p

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briand:

kash: drwxrwxrwx for /video and all subdirectories...

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kash:

briand: no, in the setup

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kash:

make sure the folder is set correctly

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TTT_Travis:

kash ok good

[05:08:05]

kash:

TTT_Travis: yeah, XV helps offset some (a lot) of the video processing off the CPU

[05:08:09]

TTT_Travis:

since I need a video card with TV out anyway

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TTT_Travis:

whats XV?

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kash:

it scales it, colours it, and resizes it with the video card GPU

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TTT_Travis:

xvid?

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briand:

the recording directory is set to /video/recordings/ and the LiveTV directory is set to /video/buffer/

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kash:

briand: no clue

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kash:

sorry

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kash:

check mythfrontend output, rebuild SQL

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TTT_Travis:

how do I enable XV?

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kash:

what card do you have?

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kash:

normally you just install the binary blob drivers and select 'use XV picture controls' in mythtv

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briand:

since everything else in the database seems to be okay, which table(s) should I rebuild for the recordings?

[05:19:35]

Paladine:

so I am thinking of upgrading my graphics cards

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Paladine:

I current have 2x 6600GT SLI

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Paladine:

what do people recommend for an upgrade?

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kavorka^:

if i have a p4 2.4, nvidia 6200, 1gb ram, then what kind of cpu usage can i expect with watching sd and no xvmc?

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briand:

shouldn't be a problem

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kavorka^:

yeah well my cpu is at 98–99% atm, ever since going to 0.20...this is really annoying me

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kavorka^:

X=80%, mythfrontend= 20%

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xris:

kavorka^: do you at least have XV enabled?

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lotia:

hello folks anyone using a pchdtv 3000 here?

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kavorka^:

xris, by xv, do u mean xvmc or is this different?

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xris:

kavorka^: xv is generic accelerated video (resizing, etc).

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cesman:

hello lotia, I have a 3000

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xris:

xvmc is nvidia-specific and does some decoding, too

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kavorka^:

xris, how do i check?

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xris:

kavorka^: easiest way is probably to take a screenshot. if you can see the video in the screenshot, it's not enabled.

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lotia:

cesman: what do i do to disable the v4l drivers for this card. i want to use on the dvb drivers

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kavorka^:

will xvinfo tell me that?

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lotia:

currently its also detected as an analog card, which i don't want or need used

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xris:

kavorka^: could be. I'm not so great with those commands.

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kavorka^:

xris, its hard to do that as this is a dedicated box running on a minmal evilwm install

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kavorka^:

anyhow ill google it...thanks for the pointer

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lotia:

kavorka^: you could probably look at your X.org logs in /var/log

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kavorka^:

lotia, what should i grep for?

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lotia:

kavorka^: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i xv if you see XVideo then you have xv enabled if you see that and XVideo-MotionCompensation then you also have xvmc enabled

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kavorka^:

cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep -i xv

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kavorka^:

(II) Loading extension XVideo

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kavorka^:

(II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation

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kavorka^:

hows that?

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briand:

xris: any ideas on my database question? (my recordings aren't showing up in the new install)

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lotia:

kavorka^: you have xvmc enabled as well as xv

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xris:

briand: I didn't see it. what's up?

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kavorka^:

lotia, dammit...so what else could be the problem? i used to be on 60% cpu with 0.19

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cesman:

sorry lotia, was busy testing...

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lotia:

cesman: no worries

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cesman:

lotia: what distro are you using?

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lotia:

cesman: gentoo

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briand:

xris: the old box was running .20-fixes, the new one is running SVN. I copied the contents of /video/recordings (~ 70 shows, plus preview images). I did a mysqldump of the old server, and restored that to the new one. When I go into "Watch Recordings" it says there are no recordings there..

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lotia:

so i compile my kernel

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cesman:

which kernel?

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lotia:

2.6.18

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lotia:

its the gentoo-sources

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cesman:

ok...should have dvb driver in the kernel

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xris:

briand: odd. you could probably get some info if you ran the backend with "-v all" and watched its logs.

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kavorka^:

lotia, is there any merrit in going from 2.6.16 to 2.6.18?

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kavorka^:

ie from a cpu usage point of view...it will it make zero difference

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lotia:

kavorka^: you running gentoo?

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kavorka^:

lotia, yep

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cesman:

lotia: modprobe cx88-dvb

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lotia:

kavorka^: hmmm, and your usage is that high. what version of the nvidia drivers are you using

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lotia:

cesman, card is getting detected at boot and so i want to know what modules are for the analog portion and what are for the digital

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kavorka^:

lotia, 1.0.9629

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lotia:

kavorka^: wow, i see around 30% usage with sd and 70% while watching livetv on hd.

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kavorka^:

lotia, lol dont say that, your killing me hehe

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cesman:

lotia: if you load the module, should should then be able to set it up using DVB driver

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cesman:

it has been years since I used Gentoo, so I don't remember how to set module to load on boot

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cesman:

but that should be all you need to do

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cesman:

you'll want to ensure the backend isn't running when you run mythtv-setup

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kavorka^:

so what else can i try apart from a full rebuild to pinpoint the problem?

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briand:

xris: Driver error was [2/1054]:QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query Database error was: Unknown column 'recorded.storagegroup' in 'field list'

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lotia:

kavorka^: hmmmm...

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lotia:

kavorka^: what build of myth?

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kavorka^:

lotia, media-tv/mythtv-0.20_p11626

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kavorka^:

had the same problem with previous 0.20 release as well

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lotia:

cesman: i don't need to know what to load at boot since it autoloads, i more need to know what not to have

[06:03:18]

cesman:

I don't know what the analog module is...

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cesman:

is it loading the dvb driver?

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lotia:

yes it is, but myth crashes since it knows the tuner type

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lotia:

i mean, myth crashes since it doesn't know the tuner type because it registers as an analog and hd device with the machine

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lotia:

kavorka^: i really don't know what to tell you

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lotia:

kavorka^: i can send you my make.conf file

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lotia:

and my portage package.use file

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kavorka^:

lotia, that wouldnt hurt...wouldnt mind looking at your xorg.conf as well

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lotia:

kavorka^: okay

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kavorka^:

lotia, would there any difference in the dvb-t driver in 2.6.16 and 18 kernel? ie could a poor dvb driver cause this?

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lotia:

kavorka^: you using dvb?

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kavorka^:

yeah i have a dvb-t

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briand:

xris: apparently, there was a database schema change between .20-fixes and the current SVN... a few new fields in that table. :) I pasted the "new" create table block into the "old" sql dump, and re-inserted it. Voila! all my recorded programs are back. :)

[06:08:59]

lotia:

dvb drivers have improved

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tcpsyn:

I'm getting there. I grabbed a different card. a wintv pvr 150.. now I can record video, but I can't view live tv in mythtv...

[06:09:26]

tcpsyn:

Anyone know what I should do?

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kavorka^:

lotia, last time a few weeks back i tried using 2.6.18-r1 i couldnt get mythtv to lock onto a channel and so had to revert back to 2.6.16. i have no idea if it has been resolved

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lotia:

kavorka^: don't know what the deal is

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lotia:

i'm very new to dvb

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kavorka^:

lotia, ok fair enough

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briand:

tcpsyn: run mythfrontend with the "-v all" parameter, and see what the error is when you try to view LiveTV

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xris:

briand: if you had dumped the entire db from the old one into mysql before running the new backend, it *should* have done those updates for you.

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briand:

xris: heh.. well, okay, it's a bit more convoluted than that, I guess. I did dump the entire db before... and, on the new box I saw 23 programs, instead of the 70-some I should have had. So, I dropped that table and reloaded a dump from the old db of just that table.

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tcpsyn:

2006-12–03 01:17:55.604 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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briand:

xris: ...which, obviously, didn't contain the new columns...

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tcpsyn:

its not just mythtv either, I can't tune in xawtv or tvtime either

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xris:

briand: ah, yeah, that would have been an issue

[06:13:23]

briand:

xris: so, it's not a programming issue. it's an end-user issue. :)

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xris:

tcpsyn: sounds like your tuner card's not set up properly

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** briand thwaps self. **

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tcpsyn:

but I am able to record and playback

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tcpsyn:

cat /dev/video0 > ~/fry.mpg

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xris:

tcpsyn: live tv and recording are the same thing to myth

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tcpsyn:

using that

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tcpsyn:

if I do that, I am able to play back fry.mpg

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xris:

tcpsyn: um, I don't think xawtv won't work with a pvr-x50 card, anyway

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briand:

odd. there is no real difference between recording (capture and play later) and LiveTV (capture and play now)

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tcpsyn:

oh

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tcpsyn:

maybe its a permissions thing

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tcpsyn:

lemme try as root.

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briand:

perhaps.

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tcpsyn:

brb

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briand:

no...

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briand:

just check the permissions on your /dev/video* (pseudo-)directories

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ormus:

is there a simple command-line test I can do to see if mythtv is going to be able to capture audio from /dev/dsp correctly?

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newpers:

does anyone in here use zfs for their filesystem... i just want to know how it performs

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ormus:

any thoughts on jfs?

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newpers:

nope

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lotia:

newpers: zfs? is that even ported to linux yet?

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lotia:

do you mean xfs?

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lotia:

ormus: i use jfs

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lotia:

ormus: very low cpu usage and when i initially installed gentoo it was recommended because the large file delete speed was extremely fast.

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lotia:

supposedly any file can be deleted in under 1 sec

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ormus:

I haven't had any complaints about it yet.

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lotia:

ormus: if you su to the mythv user can try to read from the /dev/dsp device you will know at the very least if the myth user can read from /dev/dsp

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xris:

most people use xfs, jfs or ext3

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xris:

in no particular order

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ormus:

lotia: I am running everything as root at the moment to avoid permission issues.

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lotia:

ormus: you should not have any permissions issues then

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lotia:

xris: xfs supposedly has very good write and read performance on very large files but can get cpu intensive

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lotia:

xris: don't have much personal experience with it

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ormus:

I am having some sort of problem where the audio coming into my sound card from my tuner card patch cable isn't being recorded.

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xris:

lotia: yeah. I've used xfs for a lot of stuff. not sure if I still use it for my mythbox or not.

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lotia:

ormus: so you're using a bttv card

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ormus:

yeah

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ormus:

it doesn't support the btaudio stuff so have to use the patch cable

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sandeen:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query

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sandeen:

Database error was:

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sandeen:

Can't find record in 'program'

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sandeen:

:(

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tcpsyn:

no love as root

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ormus:

anybody seen?

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ormus:

2006-12–02 18:48:38.561 NVR: Only read -1 bytes of 4096 bytes from '/dev/dsp

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ormus:

read audio: Broken pipe

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ormus:

OR

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ormus:

2006-12–02 22:41:48.836 RingBuf(/content/1009_20061202222700.nuv): Taking too long to be allowed to read..

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briand:

ack! why is "beagle-build-in" running on my mythtv box? I don't remember installing it...

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briand:

(and, worse yet, it's hogging 83.1% CPU)

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xris:

briand: fedora?

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tcpsyn:

awesome, I got it working.

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tcpsyn:

will it record without mythfrontend running?

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tcpsyn:

if I schedule it to record 24... will mythbackend record it?

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tcpsyn:

since this is my primary machine

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ormus:

nothing ever requires the front end to be running to record

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tcpsyn:

this is the coolest app I've ever seen

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tcpsyn:

ps aux

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xris:

tcpsyn: install mythweb. :)

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tcpsyn:

it seems unreliable though

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word:

for some reason even after updating my knoppmyth's mythtv install..and checking the version number and comparing it with my desktop machines install version..they're still getting protocol missmatch errors (desktop with 31 and knoppmyth with 30)

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tcpsyn:

connecting to the backend server

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tcpsyn:

its all on 127.0.0.1

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tcpsyn:

it connected once, but stopped working

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xris:

word: make sure you don't have two copies (packages install to /usr/, source installs to /usr/local/)

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nandor:

whats the commandline switch for mythfrontend to set the DB?

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word:

xris: of the mythbackend executable? no just checked only the one in /usr/bin

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xris:

word: libraries, too

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word:

xris: how would i check for the libraries?

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xris:

*/share/mythtv

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xris:

only way to get the protocol mismatch errors is if you're running different versions of things.

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word:

xris: there isn't a /usr/local/share/mythtv :-/

[07:52:22]

xris:

word: on either machine?

[07:52:30]

xris:

did you upgrade them with the same packages?

[07:52:57]

nandor:

okay scratch that how about a commandline option to set the backend server

[07:53:22]

word:

xris: i used a method on the knoppmyth forums (confirmed to work) to upgrade the install

[07:53:36]

xris:

nandor: what's going on?

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xris:

word: on both machines?

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word:

on my machine i have kubuntu and I looked for the /usr/local/bin/mythbackend and /usr/local/bin/share/mythtv on it too and didn't find them

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nandor:

xris: nothing big but im heh tunneling the connection over ssh atm and i would like to temp override the backend server addy

[07:54:28]

word:

so, yes on both machines

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nandor:

so id like to say "for today use backend = 127.0.0.1

[07:55:00]

nandor:

"

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xris:

word: if you're pulling from different repositories, you very well may have different revisions of the same version installed

[07:55:39]

word:

let me pastebin what leads me to believe that they are the same version quick..

[07:56:27]

xris:

word: trust me. if you're getting the protocol mismatch error, they're not the same version.

[07:56:51]

xris:

chances are, one of the packages you're using is patching against the fixes branch (or further along it than the other).

[07:57:05]

xris:

only way to know that would be to check the packages.

[07:57:18]

word:

this is the --version output from both – http://pastebin.ca/265439

[07:57:39]

word:

but the source version for my box is unkown :-/

[07:58:04]

nandor:

xris: do you know off the top?

[07:58:15]

xris:

nandor: sorry, nope

[07:58:29]

nandor:

:(

[07:58:35]

nandor:

any idea where it;s documented?

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xris:

nandor: it probably isn't

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nandor:

=(

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word:

xris: i know both have fixes at least so further along would be a good guess..

[07:59:32]

xris:

word: I know that there was a db version and protocol push a few weeks back

[08:00:02]

word:

xris: ah, talking with someone in the #knoppmyth channel..the one in the repos is -supposed- to have protocol 30

[08:01:54]

xris:

word: that makes sense, then

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word:

xris: yah, thanks for helpin

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nandor:

MasterServerIP

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xris:

word: ok, I'm running svn trunk and it's at 32, and I know that only one change has gone in since the one that got pushed to -fixes

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nandor:

ifanyone else asks

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xris:

so the "further along" makes sense.

[08:02:50]

nandor:

=Dhttp://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Settings_table

[08:02:53]

nandor:

^^ also good

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xris:

nandor: so same name as the settings field, then

[08:03:02]

nandor:

xris: usually is iirc

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nandor:

$ /Applications/MythFrontend.app/Contents/MacOS/mythfrontend --override-setting MasterServerIP=127.0.0.1

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nandor:

i think that is right

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nandor:

haha it worked

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nandor:

this is terrible lol

[08:05:49]

mperkins:

I am a newbie MythTV wanna be. I have a couple questions about comcast compatibility.

[08:06:45]

nandor:

what port is remote encoder on?

[08:07:37]

mperkins:

Are there any PC tuners (Analog, Digital or HD) that are usable with Comcast. I want to be able to use the PC to replace my STB.

[08:07:39]

xris:

mperkins: comcast is a franchise.. depends on where you live.

[08:07:57]

xris:

mperkins: analog cable is easy. always compatible

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xris:

digital is easier to go through the firewire port on an HD box.

[08:08:11]

mperkins:

Good point. I am in the Denver/Boulder area.

[08:08:42]

tcpsyn:

is there something I can do to improve the picture quality, or is that strictly dependant on the card?

[08:08:45]

xris:

mperkins: in seattle, I get all of my channels (even premium ones I pay for) over firewire.

[08:08:54]

briand:

xris: yes, fedora core 5 (2.6.18)... is there an "auto-beagle" thing built into it or something?

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xris:

tcpsyn: raise the bitrate

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xris:

briand: seems that something f'd up like beagle is a dependency of gnome or some crap like that.

[08:09:22]

mperkins:

This area, as far as I know, uses only the Motorola STB. I am also told that the USB and Firewire ports are not net active.

[08:09:41]

xris:

mperkins: firewire must be active by law

[08:09:43]

xris:

(if you request it)

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xris:

usb doesn't matter.

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mperkins:

I am not sure exactly who to ask about the external access features of the STB. Comcast customer service is not very knowledgable.

[08:10:30]

nandor:

xris: happen to know about remote encoder?

[08:10:44]

xris:

mperkins: other than that, there PCHDTV card will do QAM for digital cable, but you usually only get the local broadcast HD channels unencrypted.

[08:10:57]

tcpsyn:

xris, how?

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xris:

mperkins: generally, it's worth the $5/month upgrade to the HD box to test.

[08:11:07]

xris:

tcpsyn: recording profiles, frontend tv config

[08:11:15]

xris:

nandor: ?

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mperkins:

Thanks for the input. I didn't know the Firewire is required.

[08:11:42]

tcpsyn:

nice, thanks.

[08:12:02]

nandor:

xris: the remote encoder port?

[08:12:44]

mperkins:

Currently I have 2 HD boxes and just want to know how to have MythTV server control them to get the data stream into the computer for data storage.

[08:13:00]

xris:

nandor: you've lost me

[08:13:22]

xris:

mperkins: generally, you just plug a firewire cable into the box and see if it shows up on the pc

[08:13:46]

xris:

there is a script in contrib called firewire_tester (or something like that) that will test communication for you

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nandor:

xris: RemoteEncoder::openControlSocket():Connection timed out.

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nandor:

trying to hunt down what port its trying to open

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xris:

MasterServerPort :)

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xris:

usually 6543

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nandor:

i have that opened up

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nandor:

and 6544

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nandor:

has to be another

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nandor:

or maybe i fail at life not sure yet

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xris:

nope. should just be 6543

[08:16:47]

xris:

6544 is just the web status port

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nandor:

well check this out

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nandor:

paste

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nandor:

2006-12–03 00:09:18.257 Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)

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nandor:

2006-12–03 00:09:18.369 Using protocol version 31

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nandor:

2006-12–03 00:09:18.691 TV: Attempting to change from None to WatchingLiveTV

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nandor:

2006-12–03 00:10:33.420 RemoteEncoder::openControlSocket(): Connection timed out.

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nandor:

2006-12–03 00:10:33.541 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.

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nandor:

it connected to the backend but remote encoder failed not sure why

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nandor:

both tcp?

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xris:

maybe it's too slow of a connection?

[08:18:38]

nandor:

it could be..

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mperkins:

xris: Once the connection is made does Myth understand the signal? Can Myth control the box and store video streams from the STB tuners? Are there any special drivers that need to be installed first?

[08:20:50]

xris:

mperkins: generally, yes.

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olds:

yes, yes, yes

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xris:

esp. with the motorola boxes

[08:21:06]

xris:

and no, just needs firewire drivers

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xris:

which pretty much every linux kernel these days has

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mperkins:

xris: This almost sounds too easy. What's the catch??? It sounds like my PC won't even need extra tuners or a lot of extra horsepower. Sounds like the Moto box is still doing all of the heavy lifting. Is Myth now acting as a proxy controller for the STB?

[08:26:53]

xris:

mperkins: that's pretty much how it works

[08:27:53]

mperkins:

xris: thanks for the info. I appreciate it...

[08:28:20]

xris:

mperkins: even if you don't end up using fedora, the wilsonet guide has a good section on testing the firewire stuff and getting it to work

[08:29:31]

mperkins:

xris: Thanks again.

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tcpsyn:

I'm scheduling recordings in mythfrontend for record only this showing, and I save the settings, but if I check upcomming recordings, there are none scheduled

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xris:

tcpsyn: it can take a few seconds for the scheduler to catch up

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tcpsyn:

xris, its not recording either :)

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xris:

tcpsyn: check the logs?

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tcpsyn:

[mpeg2video @ 0xb7314328]ac-tex damaged at 9 3

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tcpsyn:

[mpeg2video @ 0xb7314328]Warning MVs not available

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tcpsyn:

?

[08:43:02]

juski:

looks normal – I mean my box works & I see a fair few of those

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xris:

juski: btw, blootube-osd looks good with the patches. 1-pixel type errors depending on the res of the show I'm watching, but it's pretty close.

[08:45:10]

juski:

woohoo! thanks for letting me know, xris

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juski:

did the patches make it in?

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xris:

not yet

[08:46:04]

xris:

I'll bug janneg to find someone to commit them for him, though

[08:46:17]

xris:

and more importantly, my raid5 is finally seemingly stable

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juski:

I'll make sure to keep them around for when the time comes :)

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juski:

I need to sort out an issue I've seen with blootube-wide – the recording options screen where I don't see all of the option text

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xris:

ick

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juski:

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juski:

that'll be it

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juski:

I also need to have a dig in the source to find out what the mytharchive menu stuff is called so I can have watermarks for 'find recordings' etc ;)

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juski:

I'll update der wiki when I know too

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** juski dives into the source.. **

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lotia:

any pchdtv 3000 users on?

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lotia:

any way to disable the analog part of the card when using myth?

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mogorman:

hi

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mogorman:

my hds died

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mogorman:

and i want to delete the 6 days of recording history from my db so it rerecords stuff again

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xris:

lotia: why not just not configure the input? or disable the analog chanels?

[09:13:35]

mogorman:

if i delete them in mythfrontend they just come back as some issue dont know why errors scowl by real fast in mythbackend

[09:16:14]

mogorman:

no one else has had this problem?

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mogorman:

just looking to find out if i need to go directly to mysql to delete the shows

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word:

are the errors saying you aren't connected to the db?

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word:

those are the only errors I've seen that scroll by pretty fast

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mogorman:

no the db was on other drive

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mogorman:

so i have all my db

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mogorman:

and its working

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mogorman:

just dont have the nuvs and etc

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word:

mogorman: for some reason i think theres some sort of tool to clean out things in the db that don't exist anymore..but i'm not sure..

[09:22:34]

lotia:

xris: so, it does end up configuring it in the analog options section of the dvb card

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mogorman:

well i want to clean and allow to rerecord

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xris:

lotia: I've never actually messed with one. just throwing out ideas

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mogorman:

anybody? i cant seem to find anything

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juski:

mogorman: you can delete items from 'previously recorded'

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mogorman:

no you cant ill show you why it screws up and adds them back

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juski:

it shouldn't

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juski:

unless they're also in the 'recorded' table

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juski:

you can either: 1. touch all the nonexistent recordings & delete them or 2. just clear out the recorded table

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mogorman:

if i go into previously recorded and delete it how do i allow it to rerecord?

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juski:

I dunno how some stuff is handled – i.e. the different circumstances that allow you to 'delete' some recordings and 'delete & rerecord'

[09:42:07]

juski:

but I'd have thought that taking out the previously recorded stuff would mean that myth would no longer know it'd already been recorded, and thus record it

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mogorman:

when i delete a recording that i lost here is what i get 2006-12–03 03:41:54.772 MythSocket(10152658:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket.

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juski:

that's because the file doesn't exist

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juski:

delete it from the 'previously recorded' list instead maybe

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mogorman:

well deleting it in previously recorded doesnt get rid of it in watch recordings

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juski:

well it wouldn't, would it

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juski:

touch the nonexistent files

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juski:

then you'll be able to delete them from 'watch recordings'

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mogorman:

how do i find out what the name of the .nuv file it was looking for it just says file not found

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jduggan:

check mythbackend logs?

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mogorman:

nope

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mogorman:

ugh

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mogorman:

also getting 2006-12–03 03:52:32.875 RingBuf(/media/quarter/mythtv/file not found.png): Could not open /media/quarter/mythtv/file not found.png.

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MissActek:

I have a FusionHDTV DVB-T Plus card, and I can't seem to get it working. Anyone got any suggestions?

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xris:

mogorman: generally, the files are named chanid_starttime.nuv

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xris:

old ones are chanid_starttime_endtime.nuv

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xris:

either way, the recorded.basename field in the db should have the correct info

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jchome:

hi there

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jchome:

my mythweb is only displaying 5 min intervals in the epg, am I able to change this?

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kavorka^:

i have discovered that renicing my X process by -5 makes a huge difference in cpu use, like from 98% down to 40% ...does anyone know how to make this setting hold? ie even after a reboot?

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prologic:

Is there a working mythtv-ftoneend client for windows now ?

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prologic:

afaik the Google summer of code was going to result in one

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** juski laughs uproariously **

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juski:

the google SoC was supposed to result in much much more but did it? ;-)

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prologic:

ahhh

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prologic:

fair enough

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prologic:

so the answer is "no" huh ?

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prologic:

pity, seeing as my bro and his gf use stink'n windoze :)

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prologic:

though I might be able to install crux/linux on his gf's machine

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jchome:

hrm, the mythweb svn version has a b0rken epg.

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janneg:

juski: did you get reports about the stereo symbol being cutted at the right side in the blootube-wide watch recording screen?

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juski:

hrm, folks are still whining about the lack of a windows frontend

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juski:

janneg: nope

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juski:

lemme just have a looky

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janneg:

ok, I'll make a screenshot

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juski:

no need

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juski:

the righ hand circle of is is slightly clipped off

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juski:

I can see it here

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janneg:

yes, exactly

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juski:

actually lemme see a shot to see if we're on the same hymn sheet, so to speak ;)

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bedboi:

hi there

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juski:

heyo

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bedboi:

anyone here got "Terratec cinergy hybrid" and working with mythtv?

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juski:

first question is, do you have one & does it actually work in Linux before you try it with mythtv ?

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juski:

or are you just thinking about buying one?

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bedboi:

yep it work

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bedboi:

it works

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bedboi:

tvtime works with it

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juski:

so what's the problem then?

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bedboi:

doesn't scan

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juski:

actually mythtv doesn't support hybrid cards properly & isn't likely to in the near future

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bedboi:

cool

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juski:

you can set up one half of the device or the other

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bedboi:

ah

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juski:

i.e. the analogue half or the digital half

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juski:

otherwise there will be contention between them

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juski:

i.e. one part will always be used & you won't be able to use the other

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juski:

so long as mythbackend is running it'd be hogging /dev/video0 (i.e. the analogue side) or whichever you set up first

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bedboi:

ok

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juski:

take your pick – which do you want most? ;)

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juski:

janneg: I'm figuring the stereo icon isn't big enough.. there's no constraint for that screen area so the graphic must be foobar :)

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juski:

there's gonna be a 1.4 beta release today

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bedboi:

btw i'm now compiling from source

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bedboi:

the debian package doesn't work as expected

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juski:

yeah janneg the stereo icon is broken. I'll fix it & put it in the beta1.4 release today, k?

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janneg:

juski: yes, it is the image I just checked

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janneg:

juski: no problem, thanks

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juski:

thanks for telling me – it's not an icon I see very often

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juski:

must be wrong in projectgrayhem-wide too

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juski:

funny none of the testers noticed that but they'd complain about the colour of a watermark

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juski:

that's better now anyway

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janneg:

you're welcome, one third of my recordings have it, and more than 95% is in stereo

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juski:

reminds me actually. I need to put my 'eye' icon in there ready for the 'watched' flag

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juski:

afternoon stuarta

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stuarta:

afternoon juski

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stuarta:

saw jools holland +band at the Royal Albert Hall last night

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stuarta:

very good.

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juski:

oo you lucky so & so :)

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juski:

I do likes me boogiewoogie & stuff

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stuarta:

my missus is good to me.

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H3g3m0n:

I'm trying to install mythtv backend on Debian Etch however mythtv-database doesn't know the password for mysql, how do i tell it?

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H3g3m0n:

This is when i 'apt-get install mythtv-database'

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juski:

I thought it _asked_ you for the password

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juski:

if there's no password, leave it blank.

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juski:

you should know your mysql root user's password

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stuarta:

i thought they autogenerated one (like the umbongo packages

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H3g3m0n:

There is a password, its not asking for it

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juski:

no not the root password

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H3g3m0n:

It needs root to create the basic mythtv database afaik

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juski:

sudo dbpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database ?

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stuarta:

debian doesn't need or use sudo by default

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juski:

dpkg-reconfigure, even

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H3g3m0n:

"/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: mythtv-database is broken or not fully installed"

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juski:

ouch

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stuarta:

dpkg --pending --reconfigure

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H3g3m0n:

I also carn't "apt-get remove mythtv-database" it throws the same badpass error

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H3g3m0n:

dpkg: unknown option --reconfigure

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H3g3m0n:

ahh theres a --force for apt-reconfigure

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H3g3m0n:

ok that time it asked but now i get:

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stuarta:

huh...

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stuarta:

oh, --pending --configure

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H3g3m0n:

"Failed to execute SQL: GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@localhost IDENTIFIED BY 'ProballyTheRandomPassword' Can't find any matching row in the user table at -e line 8, <> line 1."

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juski:

this is the downside to packages configuring stuff automagically

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H3g3m0n:

yeh =/

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BULLE:

not that i know much about sql, so dont realy trust me, but it sounds like there is no mythconverg user in the database, right ?

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juski:

that's what the mythtv-database pkg is aiming to put right

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BULLE:

ah

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visit0r:

mythtv user, db is mythconverg

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AngryElf:

hey all — i just put beryl on my ubuntu edgy box and now mythfrontend doesn't come up full screen, any ideas on that?

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stuarta:

wtf is beryl?

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AngryElf:

3d desktop?

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stuarta:

well that explains it.

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AngryElf:

eyecandy, processor cycle waster

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stuarta:

use funky cutting edge tech, get funky results

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Saviq:

stuarta: beryl is the late compiz-quinn

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AngryElf:

hence, ask if anyone else has seen it/fixed it

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Zider:

beryl is pretty neat to play with, but utterly pointless for myth

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Saviq:

AngryElf: is their site back up?

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Saviq:

oh I see it is

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AngryElf:

myth seems to be running fine

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AngryElf:

i just see my two panels on the screen which kinda sucks

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Zider:

xfce?

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stuarta:

janneg managed to get a couple of frontends running on a cube under XGl i believe

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stuarta:

again utterly pointless, but interesting :)

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AngryElf:

well it was ;)

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Zider:

AngryElf: running xfce?

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AngryElf:

gnome

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Zider:

yet another totally pointless waste of resources for myth ;)

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Zider:

*for a myth system

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Zider:

internet problems?

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AngryElf:

no, myth keeps killing off my session when i play a recording now that i've got this stuff installed

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Zider:

m

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Zider:

hm

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AngryElf:

i'll find a way to turn it off just like my screensaver

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AngryElf:

but it might be xgl giving it a hard time

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Zider:

why do you run beryl at all on your mythbox btw?

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AngryElf:

this isnt' my myth box — but i have mfe on it and i do use it

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AngryElf:

my set top box will never have beryl on it

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Zider:

ah

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AngryElf:

heh, the fluttering windows are so cool :)

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Zider:

no? :P

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Zider:

wobbling windows reminds me too much of my belly ;P

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Saviq:

lol

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Saviq:

AngryElf: fluttering?

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sunnyhours4130:

i'm so close to getting lirc to work. anyone know of a channel on irc for help with that?

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fryfrog:

does #lirc exist?

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jams:

it will after you join it

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Saviq:

;]

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sunnyhours4130:

yeah, i'm the only one in there

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sunnyhours4130:

i got it compiled, running, i built a receiver, and i'm running mode2 on the device and I get some output, but not a lot

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sunnyhours4130:

lol i love working on stuff like this. b/c then I find all sorts of failed ssh attempts in /var/log/messages from asia

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sunnyhours4130:

beijing trying to own my computer

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juski:

hey hey it's mr Coume

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|Torg|:

well it depends gretly on your hardware

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|Torg|:

not all IR is alike

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Coume:

hello juski :)

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|Torg|:

and some, if not most, remotes are weak to very inefective

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Coume:

how are u?

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juski:

am very well thanks. you? btw you need to update your signout sig – lugradio & the LW expo was a long time ago ;)

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stuarta:

hi Coume

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Coume:

hello stuarta, you ok?

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stuarta:

good :) you?

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Coume:

yep not bad :)

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Coume:

juski, I'm on the computer to ssh and correct this :)

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Coume:

and the website too

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Coume:

:)

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juski:

heh

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Coume:

Since I'm hangover I ahve some time to spend in front of the computer: )

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Coume:

:)

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juski:

I've been thinking about what we're gonna do about my themes on the mythtvtalk website. my new theme has a new page, so i think maybe a restructure is in order :)

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** stuarta hands juski the broom **

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Coume:

eheh

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juski:

incidentally, anybody seen winmyth lately? http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justinhornsby2/winmyth.png

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juski:

it's like – a full frontend now!

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stuarta:

E404

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|Torg|:

hahah HTTP 404 – File not found

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juski:

missed a dot after justin

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allmanj:

hey – my power cut there a while ago and ever since any recordings my mythtv box makes has a really nasty distorted soundtrack. old recordings play fine. anyone have any ideas?

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stuarta:

allmanj: recordedmarkup is corrupt

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stuarta:

run mysqlcheck

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stuarta:

and then rebuild all seektables

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allmanj:

stuarta: is that the one where you have to stop mysqld or can it run live?

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stuarta:

it can run live if required

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stuarta:

but if the table is busy it may not be able to fix it.

[16:24:30]

_LM_:

Hi, is there anyone that knows if it's possible to have MythTV to automatically select "16:9 Stretch" when showing 4:3 material and use "Off" (or "16:9") when showing 16:9 material in PAL-world?

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allmanj:

checking now...

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allmanj:

everything reporting ok...

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allmanj:

any other ideas?

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juski:

screenshot again: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/winmyth.png

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visit0r:

hmm which is the best tool to generate channels.conf?

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juski:

scan

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|Torg|:

atscscan

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visit0r:

which package they usually are in?

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visit0r:

in debian based systems?

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|Torg|:

dvb

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juski:

dvb-utils

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visit0r:

ok thanks

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visit0r:

which is the format supported by mythtv?

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visit0r:

zap?

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|Torg|:

azap

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|Torg|:

sszap

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|Torg|:

tzap

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|Torg|:

what cards do you have?

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|Torg|:

and zap isnt a format

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juski:

though it's much better to scan in mythtv-setup

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visit0r:

well only if it worked ;)

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stuarta:

if it doesn't work, what does it do?

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allmanj:

anyone with any further ideas on my distorted sound problem? the tv card is a pvr 350

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visit0r:

teejay_: tell him, my little brother is trying to setup myth on dvb-c

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stuarta:

hmmm, dvb-c

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teejay_:

complains about non-existing tsid

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visit0r:

stuarta: yes, I noted there was some changes in trunk, are they backported?

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stuarta:

no

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visit0r:

stuarta: how wide changes are they, i.e., easy to backport?

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stuarta:

they won't get backported.

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visit0r:

ok.

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stuarta:

non-trivial plus involve a DB update

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visit0r:

alright... better use the channels.conf method or just update to the trunk.

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stuarta:

go trunk... :)

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visit0r:

stuarta: do you have any idea is this "non-existing tsid" is fixed?

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stuarta:

hopefully, but no guarantees.

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|Torg|:

go ask the cable company

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stuarta:

we put stuff in to support tsid=0

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stuarta:

which is the problem you are having

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visit0r:

hmm that was for ttv here in tampere right? he's on sonera in rovaniemi, so they might have the same problem there?

[16:38:33]

stuarta:

i'd expect they would

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|Torg|:

stuarta what do you label the channels if the have no TSID?

[16:39:38]

kenvandine:

hello all... i have a strange problem...

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Saviq:

alo

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kenvandine:

my mythbox... been running fine for a couple years...

[16:40:15]

kenvandine:

just updated from 0.18 to 0.20...

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kenvandine:

now things are sort of busted

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stuarta:

|Torg|: theoretically the channel should still have a valid SDT

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stuarta:

so the naming wouldn't be an issue

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kenvandine:

says i have nothing scheduled to record

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kenvandine:

if i try to schedule something it hangs

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kenvandine:

and it won't playback any of my existing recordings

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kenvandine:

but livetv is fine

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kenvandine:

2006-12–03 11:27:10.054 RingBuf(/srv/mythtv/recordings/): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/srv/mythtv/recordings/'.

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eille-la:

hi

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kenvandine:

that is the error when i try to play an existing recording...

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kenvandine:

anyone have any ideas?

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stuarta:

kenvandine: if live tv works then recordings will work

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kenvandine:

yeah

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kenvandine:

but i can't schedule or play existing recordings

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|Torg|:

I knew NTSC and ASTSC required them, I thought the rest of the standards did too

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allmanj:

stuarta: i ran myisamchk -r on the MYI files and it attempted a few fixes but it hasn't affected my distorted sound

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kenvandine:

i suspect a broken schema update

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|Torg|:

are these non complaint chanels or is it still within standard?

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kenvandine:

s/suspect/fear/

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stuarta:

did you go via 0.19 or 0.18 -> 0.20 direct

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kenvandine:

straight to 0.20

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kenvandine:

when it updated the schema... it went thru many versions... seemed to all work

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kenvandine:

no errors

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stuarta:

tried rescanning your channels?

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Neeesat25:

Hello to all Mythtv lovers

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kenvandine:

no...

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stuarta:

worth a try...

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kenvandine:

how should i?

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kenvandine:

run mythfilldatabase?

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stuarta:

what have you got dvb-t/c/s or other?

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kenvandine:

pvr-250

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eille-la:

When I record a show (using the schedule or in live tv mode with the R key) it will never be shown in the "media library"/"watch recordings" section. only live tv auto expire video are in the list... but the mpeg file is present and playable in the myth directory in the file system. is this normal?

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Paladine:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Thermaltake-Bach-HTPC-C . . . cmdZViewItem <- anyone know if the IR kit that comes with that is compatable with lirc?

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kenvandine:

stuarta: so running mythfilldatabase helped a little bit... very

[17:02:56]

kenvandine:

it doesn't hang anymore when i try to schedule

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kenvandine:

it does add it to the record table

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stuarta:

interesting.

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kenvandine:

but doesn't actually start recording

[17:03:40]

kenvandine:

and

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kenvandine:

doesn't set the status to "Will record"

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|Torg|:

Paladine http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/printthread.php?t=637112

[17:03:58]

kenvandine:

also doesn't show up in upcoming recordings

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stuarta:

anyone read "A Very Myth-y Holiday to All" from yesterday? Funny :)

[17:04:11]

kenvandine:

which still tell me i have nothing scheduled :(

[17:04:20]

kenvandine:

stuarta: i missed that

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|Torg|:

yea I get it in digest

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Paladine:

thanks torg

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|Torg|:

np PacketScan

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|Torg|:

damn tab key

[17:04:45]

stuarta:

see the -users list archives if you didn't get it.

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|Torg|:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/239621

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kenvandine:

and for my other error... not being able to playback... anyone with ideas about that one?

[17:06:23]

kenvandine:

at least that one gives me an error

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|Torg|:

what error?

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kenvandine:

2006-12–03 12:06:41.113 RingBuf(/srv/mythtv/recordings/): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/srv/mythtv/recordings/'.

[17:07:16]

kenvandine:

one playback of an existing recording

[17:07:27]

kenvandine:

livetv works fine

[17:07:33]

stuarta:

is that the correct path to the recordings?

[17:07:38]

kenvandine:

yes

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|Torg|:

does /srv/mythtv/recordings exist?

[17:07:42]

kenvandine:

and the file is there

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|Torg|:

what permissions does the directory have?

[17:08:02]

|Torg|:

who owns the files?

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Paladine:

god damn those silverstone cases are expensive

[17:08:07]

|Torg|:

what user is myth running it?

[17:08:13]

kenvandine:

root and root

[17:08:21]

kenvandine:

frontend is running as user mythtv

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kenvandine:

livetv works thought

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kenvandine:

and the buffer is the same dir

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|Torg|:

fe and BE are on teh same box?

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Paladine:

torg, iMon is lirc compatable right?

[17:09:02]

kenvandine:

actually... it is owned by user mythtv

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|Torg|:

I dunno Paladine I just know what I read

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kenvandine:

same box

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|Torg|:

im cheap I use two plain ol $30 tower cases :P

[17:09:26]

|Torg|:

fd error -1 menas invalid handle

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|Torg|:

handle does not exist

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|Torg|:

it means /svr/mythtv/recordings/ does not exist

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kenvandine:

so odd!

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kenvandine:

file /srv/mythtv/recordings

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|Torg|:

it better NOT be a file

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kenvandine:

/srv/mythtv/recordings: directory

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|Torg|:

who owns it?

[17:11:53]

kenvandine:

mythtv:mythtv

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|Torg|:

what are its permissions?

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kenvandine:

774

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Paladine:

yeah imon is compatable

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stuarta:

you need 775

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stuarta:

to be able to search into the directory

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stuarta:

as !root or !mythtv

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kenvandine:

no difference

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|Torg|:

stuarta as the owner of the directroy all you need is 700, but still its not bad

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stuarta:

|Torg|: hence !root !mythtv :)

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|Torg|:

kenvandine chmod it 777 and

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kenvandine:

and this thing has been running great for a couple years... just this update seems to have broken it

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stuarta:

can't hurt to try 775 as a minimum

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kenvandine:

777 no difference

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Paladine:

anyoneused an Accent HT-400 htpc case with myth before?

[17:15:08]

kenvandine:

could that fd -1 be referring to the file it is looking for doesn't exist?

[17:15:12]

kenvandine:

not the dir?

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stuarta:

could be

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|Torg|:

kenvandine type ls -la /svr/mythtv/recordings and pstebin it

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|Torg|:

-1 means whatever it was looking for did not exist

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kenvandine:

http://pastebin.ca/265778

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kenvandine:

has the format of the filenames changed?

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kenvandine:

chanid_starttime_endtime.nuv

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|Torg|:

I sais ls -la not ls -l

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|Torg|:

I dont really care what the files are I want to see what it says about . and ..

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kenvandine:

ah

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kenvandine:

drwxrwxrwx 2 mythtv mythtv 20480 Dec 3 11:48 .

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kenvandine:

drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 4096 Oct 2 2005 ..

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stuarta:

can you do select basename from recorded where title='<title>';

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stuarta:

to see what file it is looking for?

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|Torg|:

now type mysql mythconverg

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|Torg|:

and in it type select * from settings where value="RecordFilePrefix";

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|Torg|:

you can exit with quit or crtl-d

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|Torg|:

pastebin that

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** juski tags about a million audio tracks :-z **

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kenvandine:

damn!

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kenvandine:

blank

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kenvandine:

for basename

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|Torg|:

juski mine is STILL scanning mp3s :)

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juski:

haha

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kenvandine:

bah!

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kenvandine:

117 recordings... 28 have a basename

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|Torg|:

yes kenvandine you probbly have nothing title well <title>

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juski:

I'm putting the tags right in mediamonkey, then I'll wipe all mythmusic & bob them over again

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|Torg|:

I threw 50M worth of mp3s to the FE and told it to scan them

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juski:

and now I know mysql-fu I'll be able to make a script to take any playlist * make it myth friendly :)

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juski:

only 50M ?

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juski:

that'd be like DING! done!

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juski:

or do you mean 50 million?

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|Torg|:

sorry 50G and I was gona try in chucns

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|Torg|:

I wasnt advetursome enough to fead it all 1.5TB of my mp3s quite yet

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** |Torg| wishes myth was mutithreaded **

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stuarta:

it is

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|Torg|:

how so stuarta?

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juski:

what the FUCK is Alma Cogan doing in my music collection?!

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stuarta:

it has lots of threads

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stuarta:

just doesn't support things like backgrounding scanning of you entire music collection :)

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|Torg|:

ok then why does it sit on one core of one cpu and never smp?

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stuarta:

dunno, most threads aren't doing much

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stuarta:

have a look in top (>=3.2.6) and use 'H' to see what the threads are doing

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|Torg|:

well right now its scanning music, the screen is stuck and its eating 99% of the primary core of one cpu

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|Torg|:

I assume its scanning muic, as thats what I told it to do

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stuarta:

mythmusic may not be multithreaded :)

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|Torg|:

nor is playing video, for obvious reasons

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|Torg|:

who what *IS* multithreaded?

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stuarta:

core myth is

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|Torg|:

you and I must be taking about two differnt thiings

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|Torg|:

myth dosnt fork off children, it sits on one core

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stuarta:

you said threaded, not mulit process

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stuarta:

the 2 are very different

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|Torg|:

oh ok, be technical on me :P

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stuarta:

multithreaded is where you have multiple "threads" of the same process running in the same memory space, often doing different things

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stuarta:

like the frontend, 1 gui thread, 1 processing thread.

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stuarta:

multiprocess is the old fork/exec mechanism to spawn child processes

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|Torg|:

ok then what I want is for myth to use all 4 cores, not 1 primary core and ignore the rest

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|Torg|:

is that more precise?

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stuarta:

which is used from the jobqueue to start things like commflagging.....

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stuarta:

yup.

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stuarta:

in theory it should be using all cores.

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stuarta:

wonder though if the kernel is keeping the threads on 1 core to avoid cache misses

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|Torg|:

well I can tell you what it does, and that is sit on one core wile other things work on teh other cores

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|Torg|:

unforutnaly my ssh sessions end up on the same core as mythfrontend and mythbackend

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|Torg|:

so the sum effect is the box seems to stutter to me (it is in fact ssh doing it)

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|Torg|:

stil there is ALLOT more room it can run off of, and it doesnt

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stuarta:

i'd be interested in seeing what happens when doing playback with the frontend

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stuarta:

also where your backend threads go.

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|Torg|:

I cn do it if you like

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stuarta:

no hurry, just curios

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|Torg|:

recienly I had to migrade the mpeg2 playback to xvmc as the fe was taking 100% of a core to play back video

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** juski wonders if there'd be any money in organising people's musak collections for em **

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|Torg|:

normally X takes about 50% of one and mythfe takes about 50% of another

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stuarta:

juski: only if they allow you to delete crap

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juski:

haha

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|Torg|:

something happend in the trunk that cause libmpeg to use vastly more amounts of cpu time then before, i dont know what and I didnt try to see

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juski:

re-tag all their RnB as 'fucking awful derivative DIRGE'

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|Torg|:

Im working now to fix the upnp problem, later ill go track down the cpu ramp up

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juski:

that's RnB as in "ooo baby yeah baby waddup baby ooo yeah", not Rhythm & Blues ;)

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: I'll send you a patch after I eat my lunch for the upnp stuff :)

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kenvandine:

|Torg|: so fixing up basename fixes playback... thx to you and stuarta

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|Torg|:

ok GreyFoxx I wasnt chastizing you, just illustration what I was spending time on

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stuarta:

kenvandine: glad we could help :)

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kenvandine:

scheduling is still busted

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kenvandine:

:(

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|Torg|:

my juski do you have anything to scan for duplicaates?

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juski:

|Torg|: yeah this little app they call mediamonkey

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stuarta:

kenvandine: are the channel names / callsigns still the same?

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kenvandine:

seem to be

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|Torg|:

I have Tchaikovsky's 1812 ovature in about 4 differnt ones, and I know I have the Nutcracker in about 4 places all differing on orcestra

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|Torg|:

whoohoo the FE crashed

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|Torg|:

juski do you have any linux software that does what mediamonkey does for you?

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sandeen:

has anyone seen the OSD show up grainy & grey instead of colored and... not grainy....

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|Torg|:

yes sandeen

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sandeen:

is it a known bug?

[17:49:09]

sandeen:

with a known fix? :)

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|Torg|:

in the video driver, yes

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|Torg|:

with a sorta works workarround yes

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sandeen:

ew. any workarounds? this is a nvidia card....

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|Torg|:

what video card do you use?

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sandeen:

fx 5200 w/ the nvidia binary driver, xvmc turned on

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|Torg|:

nv 5?

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sandeen:

umm not sure what that means

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|Torg|:

lspci and paste the line for your card

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|Torg|:

its what video core you have

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|Torg|:

I think the nv5200 is part of the nv5 series

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sandeen:

ah nv34

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sandeen:

nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]

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|Torg|:

try adding Option "XvmcUsesTextures" "false" to your driver ptions in your X config

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sandeen:

cool, thanks, will do

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|Torg|:

then go into the database and puut INSERT INTO settings SET value='UseChromaKeyOSD',data='1',hostname='myfehost';

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|Torg|:

where myehost is the hostname of your nf

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|Torg|:

err fe

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|Torg|:

that *may* fix it

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|Torg|:

that or dont use xvmc :)

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sandeen:

ehh not using xvmc is pretty impossible :)

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sandeen:

or unuseable

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|Torg|:

why?

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sandeen:

sloooow

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|Torg|:

how fast is your cpu?

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sandeen:

2.6ghz... but this is HD content....

[17:52:45]

|Torg|:

what model cpu and it should be

[17:52:45]

sandeen:

when I had xvmc off it was incredibly jerky. even dvd playback was

[17:52:49]

sandeen:

p4

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|Torg|:

a p4 dual core?

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|Torg|:

what are you displaying this on, what mode?

[17:53:07]

sandeen:

dvd was almost ok, hdtv was unwatchable. single core

[17:53:21]

sandeen:

it's on svideo out right now (hd content, sd tv)

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|Torg|:

you may be just on the edge of what you can use then

[17:53:29]

sandeen:

I think I have it set at 720x480...

[17:53:35]

sandeen:

i.e. standard tv dev

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|Torg|:

I run a P4 dual core, 3ghz and implictly dont use xvmc

[17:53:45]

sandeen:

hmm

[17:53:56]

sandeen:

yeah this wasn't even close... do you have HD content that works?

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|Torg|:

and I watch 1080i

[17:54:00]

sandeen:

hmm

[17:54:04]

|Torg|:

atsc, all day and night

[17:54:10]

sandeen:

then I'm further stumped....

[17:54:16]

sandeen:

it was -really- bad

[17:54:21]

sandeen:

why don't you use xvmc?

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|Torg|:

I implitly use an interlaced output and tv so I dont hve to deinterlace too

[17:54:43]

|Torg|:

becae of the problems xvmc gives me and the minimal cpu benefit it offers

[17:54:59]

|Torg|:

what do you use for einterlacing?

[17:55:03]

|Torg|:

err deinterlacing

[17:55:09]

sandeen:

hm. my cpu benefit was -huge- so either I need to figure out why or get a faster cpu maybe

[17:55:13]

sandeen:

um, kernel right now

[17:55:20]

|Torg|:

try Bob

[17:55:21]

sandeen:

but I turned that off when I was trying to get it going w/o xvmc

[17:55:32]

sandeen:

so even w/ no interlacing it was still horrible

[17:55:43]

|Torg|:

I implict turn off deinterlace, use libmpeg and watch it on an interlaced HD tv

[17:55:45]

sandeen:

90% cpu, stop-motion video :(

[17:55:53]

|Torg|:

I watch 720p and 1080I on it

[17:56:11]

sandeen:

are there other xvmc problems I should watch out for if I can't use it?

[17:56:12]

|Torg|:

it used about 50% of one core for X and 50% of another for mythfrontend

[17:56:24]

|Torg|:

mostly just paining issues

[17:56:33]

sandeen:

maybe I should say I have front+back on the same box...

[17:56:37]

|Torg|:

also is this an agp card?

[17:56:42]

sandeen:

yes, 8x

[17:57:04]

|Torg|:

put Option "NVAGP" "2" in your X config too

[17:57:08]

|Torg|:

fead it more bandwidht

[17:57:20]

sandeen:

cool, didn't know about that

[17:57:24]

|Torg|:

altho you realy arnt stressing th card there are entire part of that GPU you ont even use

[17:57:26]

** sandeen wonders if any of this is in the wiki **

[17:57:37]

|Torg|:

but that mostly true of modern 3D cards anwya

[17:57:42]

|Torg|:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Tips_and_Tricks

[17:57:46]

sandeen:

if I want to turn the chromakey thing back off, just do data='0' ?

[17:57:51]

sandeen:

ah, ok, thanks

[17:58:09]

|Torg|:

most of what I told you though is from my own pratictcal experiance

[17:58:12]

sandeen:

having everything in teh DB is cool but it's a lot easier to read an ascii config file :)

[17:58:23]

|Torg|:

its easy to read sql too

[17:58:34]

sandeen:

i'm just not very db-savvy I guess

[17:58:58]

|Torg|:

its not too dificult to learn, say SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE and DELETE :)

[17:59:02]

sandeen:

but getting more so thanks to mythtv :)

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sandeen:

so hey I had one more question about myth that struck me as weird...

[17:59:32]

|Torg|:

juski seems to put my sql-fu up ther with his perl-fu. I dont even think there cose

[17:59:32]

sandeen:

i was watching live tv, and told it to record

[17:59:44]

sandeen:

then when the show ended, the video stopped

[17:59:52]

sandeen:

because I guess it was playing back the recorded show for me, right

[18:00:06]

sandeen:

but it'd be nice if it just kept showing me live tv for the channel even when the recording stops

[18:00:08]

sandeen:

can this be done?

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sandeen:

(thanks for all the xvmc tips btw)

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|Torg|:

it mekas sence, but its not in the architecture

[18:02:14]

sandeen:

so it can't be done eh

[18:02:17]

juski:

perl-fu is hand in glove with mysql-fu if you wanna do owt useful ;)

[18:02:19]

|Torg|:

it *could* be done, but with some major arcetecture changes in how myth displays video

[18:02:37]

juski:

woohoo I found my ridiculous daft remix of the magnum PI themetune :)

[18:02:40]

sandeen:

i guess I'm kind of used to tivo in that regard, but it would be nice if it worked that way

[18:02:54]

|Torg|:

juski I barly understand a regex, about the only thing I know is . + ^ and $ and thats from vi mostly :)

[18:03:11]

** sandeen hands |Torg| a "*" go go with those **

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** |Torg| is listning to is Eagles collection **

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sandeen:

s/go/to/ :)

[18:03:38]

|Torg|:

yea thanks I forgot * s and d too

[18:04:01]

sandeen:

maybe I should read up on the myth architecture to understand that issue...

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sandeen:

I suppose it's related to "watch live tv; record live tv; exit live tv to menu; go back to live tv; 'all your cards are busy'" behavior

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|Torg|:

its more like playing livetv is from the dvb card, where playing recorded is from the file

[18:05:21]

|Torg|:

two disctyly but simplar fd calls

[18:05:54]

|Torg|:

you *could* put dvb to file and monitor the output but you woul dloose timeshifiting while you did it

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|Torg|:

a tivo does it by watching the buffer

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|Torg|:

it bufferd live tv, and you nver really see it live

[18:06:27]

sandeen:

so watching live tv in myth isn't reading from the filesystem, it's straight from the card? but then how does pause etc work

[18:06:34]

sandeen:

or once you pause it, it starts reading/writing the file?

[18:06:36]

|Torg|:

if you watch something that is recording you are actlay watching the buffer

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|Torg|:

after the recording is done is flips the buffer to a recording and cretes a new buffer

[18:07:05]

|Torg|:

*could* it be done in myth yes, but like I said it would require some architecture chnges

[18:07:10]

sandeen:

yeah

[18:07:26]

sandeen:

although I'm confused, I see lots of disk activity when watching "live" tv

[18:07:43]

|Torg|:

its buffering the tv, its how it oes timeshifting

[18:07:55]

sandeen:

from the little bit of reading I did I thhought that live TV & recording were similar, and recording was just a flag to say "keep this file"

[18:07:55]

|Torg|:

whats confusing?

[18:08:31]

sandeen:

see above

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|Torg|:

it it, watch what it does when you watch a chanel

[18:08:44]

sandeen:

i thought live tv was in effect recording to the disk to allow rewind etc

[18:08:58]

|Torg|:

in fact watech myth record chanenls efven if yoru not wathing them ot tell it to

[18:08:59]

sandeen:

and if you explicitly say "record" then it just keeps the file

[18:09:09]

|Torg|:

it erases those nearly as soon as its done but there files non the less

[18:09:35]

sandeen:

hmm my kid is asking for attention, I'll have to continue this later, thanks for all the info

[18:09:37]

sandeen:

:)

[18:10:04]

null_:

If my channel icons have some transparency in it (i.e PNGs), will mythtv render them with transparency?

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|Torg|:

I dunno, I implcity make everything opaque

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Toast:

I have a permissions problem. Could anyone tell me if mythtv-setup and mythbackend store there database passwords in different places? I have set up the database connection successfully in mythtv-setup, but can't connect through mythbackend.

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|Torg|:

look in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt and /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt (presuing mythtv is your myth user)

[18:18:14]

Toast:

there is no mysql.txt in my /home/mythtv/.mythtv directory.

[18:18:39]

Toast:

though the password in the other one is wrong.

[18:18:41]

Toast:

thanks

[18:19:10]

Toast:

Is there any way I can get the database setup thingy in mythtv-setup to automatically set that file?

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Toast:

Anyway, that fixed that problem. Now on to the next one :)

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|Torg|:

can anyone suggest a sound card that can do 22.1khz AND 44.1 KHZ, output though SPDIF (preferably coax) and works in linux :)

[18:27:15]

** |Torg| is about fead up with his CM8738 **

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juski:

22.1khz? eew

[18:27:29]

|Torg|:

some of my mp3s are in 22.1

[18:27:45]

|Torg|:

its ehter that or recode them, which may be a preferable solution

[18:27:52]

juski:

delete em & make new uns

[18:28:08]

|Torg|:

oh yea thts right, I made all these :)

[18:28:10]

juski:

just about any $2 soundcard will do what you want

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|Torg|:

juski thats what I thought, mine wont do 22.1

[18:28:32]

juski:

I use a via8233 & it's great over spdif

[18:28:45]

juski:

less so over analogue though.. doesn't do _loud_ well ;)

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|Torg|:

my CM8738 has worked fine up until now

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|Torg|:

I use coax spdif to my decoder, works damn near flawles (of course all I do is pass DTS and AC3 thrugh it most of the time)

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|Torg|:

its only only when i do things like play mp3's it becomes important

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TimothyP:

Hi, I've installed mythtv on a ubuntu 6.10 system. I configured the backend and I can run the frontend, but it says it can't connect to the backend, I also have frontend ono my macbook where it says the same thing, the backend is running on the firs tsystem and I used the correct ip

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h7-21:

hello, i just upgraded to 0.20 and now mythfilldatabase insists on picking up programinfo from datadirect but i wanna use xmltv as i did before – does this sound familiar to anyone in here?

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adde:

Could anyone please just explain what the frontend and backend is?

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|Torg|:

one is the front the other the back

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TimothyP:

adde

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adde:

yes?

[18:40:11]

TimothyP:

The backend is the system where the TV input arrives

[18:40:17]

TimothyP:

it's the system which records everything

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TimothyP:

and controls everything

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adde:

ok and frontend GUI

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|Torg|:

the backend records, catalogs, and scheduls

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|Torg|:

the frntpend reders, playes, and displays

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TimothyP:

it's where you would put a big hard drive (or 10) to store all movies

[18:40:45]

TimothyP:

and the frontend is the device you use to watch it

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|Torg|:

you put the big harddrive in the BE to record, you put the big harddrive in teh FE to rip

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Toast:

Cool... My backend is recording it's first program! I'm so proud of it. Now I just need to work out what to do for a front end!

[18:41:07]

TimothyP:

like a laptop, a computer connected to a tv, a mobile phone , a psp, an xbox etc....

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adde:

Ok, thanks... So you basicly have both on the same machine...

[18:41:13]

TimothyP:

yes

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|Torg|:

you *CAN*

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TimothyP:

but I have a seperate backend because my frontend is a flat pc case from asus which looks like a dvd recorder but cannot hold a big PVR500 card

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|Torg|:

if you want to watch anything by standard def you had better not

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TimothyP:

even more I want to watch tv on my mobile whereever I go

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Toast:

my backend is on one machine. I don't have any front ends yet, but they will be on different machines.

[18:42:27]

adde:

ok, i have a similar videorecorder but its a complete PC... It was a DTV company that never got its product launch so know i got 3 of them :)

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adde:

But no software in them..

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|Torg|:

what models are they?

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adde:

They were totally custom... A factory in Germany made them...

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adde:

P4 1GHZ

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|Torg|:

what architecture are theyt?

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adde:

P4 1GHZ

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|Torg|:

have you attempted to put an embedded OS on them?

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|Torg|:

are th devices on a bus so they can be fernced?

[18:44:15]

|Torg|:

did they use a birdg set to interfact to the x86 IO lines?

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adde:

they had XP embedded...

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|Torg|:

then put linux on it and use it as a SD FE

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adde:

yupp just downloading Knoppmyth...

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|Torg|:

unless its a very stanard PC, with IDE harddrive I doubt knoppmyth will work on it

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adde:

Is it possible to run MythTV on a PII 450 ?

[18:45:47]

adde:

It is standard thats the beuty

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TimothyP:

my backend just keeps crashing

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TimothyP:

MainServer: HandleRemoteEncoder(cmd GET_STATE) Unknown encoder: 1, exiting

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adde:

Cause the 3rd box i got from them is a prototype never made in more than one ex. its a 28inch TV with the PC embedded... :=) On the remote you can switch between Analog tv and the PC... though its only a 450MhZ so i am not sure it will work...

[18:48:07]

adde:

But it would bee sweet to get working

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|Torg|:

yes adde its *posible* somewhat unlikly tho, you could do 480x480 on it

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TimothyP:

for a frontend that should work shouldn't it ?

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adde:

WHat if i only run a frontend on it? and the backend on another one? is that possible or am i confused :)

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|Torg|:

not only what if, your going to have to

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adde:

But then i wont need a Sat card in that box am i correct?

[18:50:02]

adde:

or ?

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|Torg|:

TimothyP what verison of myth are you running?

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adde:

Will the backend send picture to the frontend.,,, Sorry if im just bombing you with lame questions just i just want to get the facts straight...:)

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TimothyP:

um how do I find out? I know it's using protocol version 31

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|Torg|:

yes adde thats the BE's job, to record off the cards, and forward to the remove cleints

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|Torg|:

mythfrontend --version

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TimothyP:

um doens't seem to like that command

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adde:

Thanks for your help m8... Know i got enough to give it a start.... 20 minutes downloading left :(

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|Torg|:

you typed it wrong then

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TimothyP:

it just says bad device and a whole pbunsh of mumbo jumbo

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TimothyP:

mythfrontend --version

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|Torg|:

pastebin what that told you

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TimothyP:

hmm that will be difficult from that system, let me see what I can do

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|Torg|:

ever hear od ssh?

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TimothyP:

yes yes :p

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TimothyP:

hang on :p

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TimothyP:

www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=71770

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|Torg|:

TimothyP did you set up X?

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TimothyP:

running Gnome so I assume so

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TimothyP:

I can even start the frontend on that pc :)

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|Torg|:

I belive you cant even start X on it too

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|Torg|:

but first things first

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|Torg|:

from your backend type mysql mythconverg

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|Torg|:

in it type select * from capturecard

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|Torg|:

you can quite with ctrl-D or quit

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|Torg|:

pastebin that

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TimothyP:

um I am running gnome, on it so X is running

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|Torg|:

for th second problem, what video card is in teh FE?

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artus:

Hi all

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|Torg|:

on the FE you are running gnome?

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TimothyP:

I used firefox to post to the pastebin so I'm running X

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TimothyP:

the FE is the BE at the moment

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|Torg|:

on THAT FE?

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artus:

if you want to manage the channels in myth with mysql

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TimothyP:

one and the same machine at the moment

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|Torg|:

the one that gave you that error, what video card is in it?

[19:04:56]

TimothyP:

PVR500

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artus:

is it enough to update the channel table in mysql?

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|Torg|:

VIDEO card not CAPTURE card

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TimothyP:

and some Intel graphics on board

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|Torg|:

that one thats complaing about qt

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TimothyP:

intel 945 or something

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|Torg|:

your goign to use that for the FE?

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TimothyP:

no

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TimothyP:

but it's all I have at the moment

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TimothyP:

I don't see anythign complaining aabout QT btw

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TimothyP:

are we talking about the same thing?

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phrozen77:

evening all

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TimothyP:

I have one machine

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TimothyP:

with FE and BE on it

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|Torg|:

X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166

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|Torg|:

2 Major opcode: 144

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|Torg|:

3 Minor opcode: 3

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|Torg|:

4 Resource id: 0x0

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TimothyP:

the FE will be moved to another PC later on

[19:06:10]

TimothyP:

yes that is the BE

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|Torg|:

that means it could not initialise opengl from qt

[19:06:20]

TimothyP:

which at the moment is a FE and runs gnome in 640 x 480

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phrozen77:

i wonder if anyone has success using hauppauge wintv nova-t dvb-t cards together with mythtv?

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|Torg|:

so TimothyP where did yuou install myth from?

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|Torg|:

specifly

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|Torg|:

20 Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3

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|Torg|:

21 Source code version: Unknown

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TimothyP:

apt-get

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|Torg|:

what distro are you on?

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TimothyP:

I tried installing from source like a thousand times

[19:07:13]

TimothyP:

no success, Ubuntu 6.10

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TimothyP:

installed ivtv drivers and myttv from repos

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|Torg|:

did you go intot he database and show the capture cards like I siad?

[19:07:38]

TimothyP:

doing so now

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[Jasper]:

hej guys

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[Jasper]:

is there a way to control mythtv by browser yet?

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|Torg|:

mythweb

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phrozen77:

i wonder if anyone has success using hauppauge wintv nova-t dvb-t cards together with mythtv?

[19:08:45]

[Jasper]:

no I said control

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|Torg|:

mythweb

[19:09:05]

[Jasper]:

yes |Torg| control as in being able to chnage the channel etc..

[19:09:12]

|Torg|:

yes MYTHWEB

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phrozen77:

lol

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[Jasper]:

yes phrozen77 I have the pvr500 running with mythtv

[19:09:33]

phrozen77:

[Jasper]: is this the same as the nova-t?

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phrozen77:

oO

[19:09:40]

[Jasper]:

ok |Torg| then tell me how

[19:09:44]

[Jasper]:

you made me quite curious

[19:09:51]

[Jasper]:

say I wanna change my tv tuner to channel 26

[19:09:55]

[Jasper]:

how would I do that?

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|Torg|:

write a java applet or php to send key events to the FE

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xris:

[Jasper]: someone submitted some telnet-protocol patches to trac that will let mythweb do that. I haven't had a chance to get them integrated yet, though

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|Torg|:

or like xris said I prefer java tho

[19:10:31]

[Jasper]:

|Torg| you said mythweb 3 times ?

[19:10:49]

[Jasper]:

ah I see xris

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[Jasper]:

that's all I needed to know

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|Torg|:

yes i said mythweb three times, becase thats how I do it

[19:11:09]

|Torg|:

I use mythweb

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[Jasper]:

I was here some time ago, heard there was someone working on that php/telnet link

[19:11:16]

|Torg|:

altho its a novelty not really usauble

[19:11:37]

[Jasper]:

xris I wanna turn my pda into my remote :P

[19:11:54]

|Torg|:

can you write applets?

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Maximo-:

Hello, is there anything I can do to tweak the image quality being produced by my PVR150? The image on the tv screen seems flat in color and occasionally has diaganal lines and artifacts..

[19:12:01]

[Jasper]:

yes I can write java

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xris:

[Jasper]: I've heard of people doing that

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TimothyP:

http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=71771

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|Torg|:

import java.net.*;

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|Torg|:

import java.io.*;

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|Torg|:

import javax.swing.*;

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|Torg|:

import java.awt.event.KeyEvent;

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|Torg|:

import java.awt.event.*;

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|Torg|:

public class MythRemote {

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|Torg|:

private static JFrame blah;

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[Jasper]:

omg

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|Torg|:

private static PrintWriter out;

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|Torg|:

public static void sendIt(String toServerString) {

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[Jasper]:

spam?

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|Torg|:

out.println(toServerString);

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|Torg|:

}

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|Torg|:

public static void main (String[] args) {

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|Torg|:

blah = new JFrame("Remote");

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[Jasper]:

dude

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[Jasper]:

nice flood :P

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|Torg|:

no I didnt clear my buffer befoer I pasted the link, sorry

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TimothyP:

|Torg| --> http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=71771

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phrozen77:

<[Jasper]> yes phrozen77 I have the pvr500 running with mythtv

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phrozen77:

<phrozen77> [Jasper]: is this the same as the nova-t?

[19:13:36]

phrozen77:

<phrozen77> oO

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|Torg|:

http://pastebin.ca/265895

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[Jasper]:

no phrozen77

[19:13:53]

[Jasper]:

definately not

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[Jasper]:

pvr500 is analog

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phrozen77:

ah

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[Jasper]:

nova-t is digital

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[Jasper]:

IIRC

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phrozen77:

now i just wonder if anyone has it working with mythtv :)

[19:14:32]

[Jasper]:

the nova-t?

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[Jasper]:

or the pvr ?

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phrozen77:

yup

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phrozen77:

nova-t

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[Jasper]:

can't help you with that

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mogorman:

hi

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|Torg|:

TimothyP do you have two devices /ev/video0 and /dev/video1 one connected to composite and one to the tuner?

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[Jasper]:

but isn't it using the same drivers?

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mogorman:

so i have revived my dead mythbox

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mogorman:

but now it has 0 upcomming recordings

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[Jasper]:

good work mogorman

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TimothyP:

I have a single card, PVR500, at the moment there is a gamecube connected to the composite on that card (as I don't have cable at this time, they are coming to install it in a few weeks)

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[Jasper]:

guess it wasn't 'that' dead

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mogorman:

despite my scheduled recordings is filled with stuff

[19:15:37]

mogorman:

that it should work

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|Torg|:

TimothyP thats why yor BE crashed

[19:15:59]

TimothyP:

what I can't install it until I get my cable?

[19:16:07]

TimothyP:

that's like wtf ?

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[Jasper]:

xris, I'll think I'll make a nice button layout for the pda myself

[19:16:20]

TimothyP:

because my gamecube won't be connected to it all the time either, so it will crash every time I disconnect it ?

[19:16:24]

[Jasper]:

maybe with a little preview screen

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[Jasper]:

since the pda runs on wlan

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phrozen77:

http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-pvrhwdb.php?fi . . . odified_desc

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|Torg|:

it wil crash if it tries to open a video source you said it has and its not there

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phrozen77:

apparently quite a few

[19:17:13]

Maximo-:

does MythTv have anything to do with the quality of the image on the screen or is it all up to the ivtv driver?

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[Jasper]:

depends

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xris:

Maximo-: recording profiles

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[Jasper]:

Maximo- try catting your video device directly to file

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xris:

you can set resolution/bitrate for cards that support it

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[Jasper]:

if you have the ivtv drivers that should be posible

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Maximo-:

and check it with mplayer

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[Jasper]:

cat /dev/video0 > blaat.avi

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[Jasper]:

or something

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TimothyP:

torg , some error handling that is :s

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[Jasper]:

I think they called i /dev/v4l/video0

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[Jasper]:

not sure though

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mogorman:

hey xris do you know any reason why if i had loads of scheduled recordings but no upcomming ones, the guide data is all up to date

[19:18:16]

TimothyP:

haven't they heard about try catch ?

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Maximo-:

ok

[19:18:45]

TimothyP:

anyway my gamecubbe is connected to the composite, when I select that channel I still get nada

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xris:

mogorman: tuner card not configured?

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TimothyP:

and still crashes

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TimothyP:

and it says all channels are in use

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Maximo-:

xris: is that on the frontend or mythtv-setup

[19:19:09]

mogorman:

i have watched em from the front end

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xris:

TimothyP: you won't be able to play gamecube via myth

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xris:

Maximo-: frontend

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TimothyP:

because of the delay ?

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xris:

TimothyP: yeah

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TimothyP:

I don't want to play, just wanted to provide some input

[19:19:31]

TimothyP:

:)

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xris:

ahh

[19:19:45]

TimothyP:

the card has a passthrough mode, but not interested in that, didn't know what else to use to generate input :p

[19:19:59]

TimothyP:

I live far from the civilized world :p

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TimothyP:

taking ages to connect cable

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[Jasper]:

xris I wonder if it's gonna be able to tune faster in the future....like the buffer gets filled faster

[19:20:26]

[Jasper]:

because my old television can tune a lot faster :P

[19:21:08]

xris:

[Jasper]: has to tune and buffer

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mogorman:

anyother thoughts xris

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[Jasper]:

yeah xris but my tv can do it faster :P

[19:22:33]

xris:

mogorman: I'm not sure exactly what you're saying... if you have guide data and can watch livetv, the upcoming recordings should be fine. have you restarted your backend?

[19:22:47]

xris:

[Jasper]: yes. not much I can say there. I don't watch livetv in myth. heh.

[19:23:36]

mogorman:

yeah a few times, guide data is fine, i can watch live tv on either tuner

[19:23:52]

Maximo-:

xris: Thanks.. seems to have made a difference

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[Jasper]:

that's what I mean xris :P

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mogorman:

i used my old db when i reinstalled xris as i didnt want to lose over a year of data

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xris:

mogorman: have you rerun mfdb?

[19:25:16]

mogorman:

mythfilldatabase

[19:25:17]

mogorman:

yeah

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xris:

mogorman: and the upcoming recordings aren't all things you've recorded before?

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TimothyP:

mythtv is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected, is all I get out of mythtv

[19:26:23]

mogorman:

yeah i have fairly big family so i have maybe 8 shows that should be recorded today

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|Torg|:

http://www.arcamax.com/pic/19905/424225

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xris:

mogorman: dunno what to say. if you have items in teh list, it should tell you why they won't record (assming the frontend looks like mythweb does — I don't use the frontend much)

[19:27:57]

Anduin:

mogorman: have you checked that your DB is good (mysqlcheck)?

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xris:

TimothyP: have you configured a tuner?

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[Jasper]:

if only mythfilldatabase could be any slower

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[Jasper]:

:P

[19:28:16]

TimothyP:

I have configured 2

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xris:

[Jasper]: get a faster internet connection. :)

[19:28:27]

TimothyP:

but it'll have to wait until tommorow for now

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|Torg|:

it can be, try updating duing th midle of the day when DD is updating there databse

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[Jasper]:

I think I can type faster then this gets fetched

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[Jasper]:

xris has little to do with the internet connection

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TimothyP:

I'll get back tommorow g2run

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[Jasper]:

:P

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|Torg|:

Ive goeen a abole 50b/s from them (thats bytes per second)

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|Torg|:

I think I can copy it with pen and paper faster

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mogorman:

yeah its all good , i mean from mythweb or the frontend both list all things in listing, and recording schedules

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[Jasper]:

I don't use some database server

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[Jasper]:

it's all grabbing from websites

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[Jasper]:

that explains the speed :P

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xris:

mogorman: but nothing in "upcoming"?

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[Jasper]:

takes about 3 hours to update my tv guide 8)

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|Torg|:

you could use EIT and wait unil the bcaster gets arround to giving them to you too

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Anduin:

mogorman: When people suddenly see the scheduler fail it is often because a table (like record) has crashed, or the disk with their DB is full.

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mogorman:

yeah

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[Jasper]:

|Torg| EIT?

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MrGandalf:

has anyone seen a case where mythbackend as it's initializing exits with rc 241 right after TVRec(11): ClearFlags(ExitPlayer,FinishRecording,) -> RunMainLoop, ??

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mogorman:

mysqlcheck says everything is clean

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mogorman:

hah

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mogorman:

fixed it

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mogorman:

stupid minor configuration error of where the masterbackend was

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|Torg|:

EIT is guie data for DVB bcasts, I cant remebre what it stand for

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mogorman:

thanks for everyone that offered help

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|Torg|:

something like Electronic Information Table or similar

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mogorman:

and one final question, when i re did this installation i noticed a buzzing noise on both of my

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mogorman:

.tuners

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|Torg|:

Event Information Table

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mogorman:

is there anyway to fix that

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|Torg|:

there are 4 base tables SST, RRT, MGT and VGT. What you want is the MGT (sometjing guie table) which comnists of two sub tables EIT and ETT

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|Torg|:

I cant remeber what they all stand for but basicly the MGT is the guide and it consits of EIT

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|Torg|:

and is what "use EIT" refers to in your stup

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[Jasper]:

weeeeee only some channel tuning left and I can watch live-tv on my wall

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[Jasper]:

:P

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|Torg|:

I do that now with a projector

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Maximo-:

Ive installed the plugins and now when I try to pull up mythweb all I get is and index of mythweb... I know php is working..

[19:42:53]

xris:

mogorman: better wires?

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[Jasper]:

me too |Torg|

[19:42:59]

mogorman:

same wires as before

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mogorman:

but i guess i could try it

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xris:

Maximo-: read the readme, but it sounds like php isn't working.

[19:43:30]

Toast:

I think trying to record a channel has just crashed my server.

[19:43:31]

|Torg|:

Maximo- go read the INSTALL document in mythweb

[19:44:09]

xris:

|Torg|: there isn't one in non-svn

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[Jasper]:

I'm gonna be needing a new tuner card I think

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[Jasper]:

instead of this pvr 500

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|Torg|:

root@jachin:/var/www/mythweb# ls

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|Torg|:

INSTALL LICENSE README TODO data includes js modules mythweb.conf.lighttpd mythweb.php mythweb.pl skins

[19:45:21]

xris:

|Torg|: that's trunk

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Toast:

The last thing in my mythbackend.log (I was tail -F ing it when the server died) was 2006-12–03 18:40:04.422 NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Can't open vbi device: '/dev/vbi0'. Does that look like the sort of thing that may crash a maching?

[19:45:42]

|Torg|:

oh ok, so read the readme :P

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Led-Hed:

Linux/Mythtv will install on a Mac Mini (Core Solo/Duo) correct?

[19:47:13]

|Torg|:

http://sowerbutts.com/linux-mac-mini/

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Led-Hed:

|Torg|, thanks

[19:49:57]

** stuarta rants at his f@^%&$! useless flatmate **

[19:50:25]

|Torg|:

yum upgrade flatmate

[19:50:31]

stuarta:

no heating, no hot water, no txt message to tell me

[19:50:43]

stuarta:

technically i'm the lodger

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|Torg|:

did he pay his bill?

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stuarta:

it's fubar'd

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Led-Hed:

Anyone here run Myth on OS X?

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Paladine:

anyone know if the windows mythtv frontend is any good?

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Led-Hed:

Paladine, have you seen the screenshots? It looks terrible

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|Torg|:

its also way out of date

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Paladine:

oh ok then hehehe

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** xris didn't even know there WAS still a windows frontend **

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Paladine:

I am not even sure if it is worth making the lounge system a media centre

[19:58:02]

Paladine:

since we already have sky+ in the lounge

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Led-Hed:

I dont think its even really a frontend as much as its just a player.

[19:58:53]

Paladine:

man I wish htpc cases weren't so damned expensive for ATX form factor

[19:59:05]

Paladine:

the mATX cases are cheap enough, but the regular ATX are uber steep

[19:59:08]

juski:

Paladine: but what happens when the $ky+ box breaks? ;-)

[19:59:16]

Paladine:

sky replace it for free

[19:59:22]

juski:

a mate of mine is onto his fifth one now

[19:59:28]

juski:

in 18 months!

[19:59:38]

Paladine:

we have had ours over a year and never had any problems with it

[19:59:44]

juski:

$ky only do that if it's in warranty or if you pay them ££

[19:59:50]

juski:

anyway nevermind

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Led-Hed:

anyone know if the new Mac Mini's w/ remote have LIRC support? I'd love to use the IR reciever but dont want to use the Apple remote

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juski:

Led-Hed: I doubt it somehow

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Paladine:

I am thinking of buying the Silverstone LC10

[20:01:35]

Paladine:

seems to be the cheapest reasonable lookingon on the market

[20:01:45]

Paladine:

looking one

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Led-Hed:

I have 2 silverstone cases. They are nice

[20:02:19]

Led-Hed:

where do you plan to put the IR reciever?

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Paladine:

well it doesn't need an IR blaster/receiver

[20:02:55]

juski:

on top of the case, probably, since nobody wants to take a drill to their brand new £120 case

[20:03:04]

Paladine:

like I said we have sky+ in the lounge

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Led-Hed:

juski, thats why I only buy HTPC cases with IR windows. =)

[20:03:29]

Paladine:

so it will just be used for browsing the web on the tv and playing games with our baby son

[20:03:35]

juski:

Led-Hed: oh, and there are just _loads_ of them

[20:03:48]

juski:

with rear facing spdif outputs ;)

[20:04:00]

Led-Hed:

loads of what?

[20:04:09]

Led-Hed:

HTPC cases w/ IR

[20:04:16]

juski:

where are all these htpc cases with ir ports?

[20:04:18]

tormen0815:

hi why is the collation in my database mythconverg set to 'latin1_swedish_ci' (gentoo mythtv installation)??

[20:04:27]

Paladine:

I was thinking of just buying a cheap el nasty desktop atx and replacing the front panel with custom aluminium one too

[20:04:28]

Led-Hed:

Silverstone makes quite a few

[20:04:47]

Paladine:

since I am a black belt 4th dan with a dremel ;)

[20:05:15]

Led-Hed:

tomimo, I disconvered that also on a non Myth DB (MySQL 5.0.26)

[20:05:32]

Led-Hed:

juski, http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-gd01mx.htm

[20:05:44]

tormen0815:

like this I am getting an sql error: "Illegal mix of collations (latin1_swedish_ci,IMPLICIT) and

[20:05:44]

tormen0815:

[20:06:23]

tormen0815:

Can I change the collation for the mythconverg database to utf8 without problems?!

[20:06:25]

Paladine:

I was looking at the LC02 (very nice looking case) but I read it has issues with the AGP riser

[20:06:34]

tormen0815:

Or do I have to modify my mysql-config?

[20:06:36]

Paladine:

in that it is compatable with very few mainboards

[20:08:08]

juski:

I don't see anywhere on that page mention an IR port on that silverstone case

[20:08:30]

Led-Hed:

juski, I have the Silverstone LC03V (V=VFD), and Silverstone LC01IR (IR=IR Window)

[20:08:38]

juski:

Paladine: don't use the LC02 for an ATX PC. sure it'll FIT but it'll overheat. I know

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Toast:

Has anyone had a TV card crash their PC?

[20:09:01]

Led-Hed:

The LC03V has a Window for the VFD, I just stuck the IR reciever behind it

[20:09:27]

Led-Hed:

The LC01IR isnt available anymore

[20:09:33]

juski:

Toast: an ATI allinwonder I had many moons ago did

[20:10:13]

|Torg|:

is there a list of what lcds myth can drive?

[20:10:14]

Led-Hed:

juski, http://wiki.ledhed.net/index.php/LIRC_Parts_List

[20:10:27]

Led-Hed:

there is an image if the IR/VFD window

[20:10:30]

Paladine:

the LC16M looks nice but it is uber expensive

[20:10:38]

Toast:

I think my generic BT878 or whatever just killed my box :(

[20:11:01]

juski:

Led-Hed: what's up with not using a 78L05 ?

[20:11:01]

Toast:

Could just changing recording settings fix that, or will I need a new driver?

[20:11:02]

juski:

;-)

[20:11:18]

Led-Hed:

Paladine, http://www.sundialmicro.com/silverstone_deskt . . . 1699_54.html $165

[20:11:44]

Paladine:

165 is too much man, specially since I am in the UK so it will cost 2x as much

[20:11:46]

Led-Hed:

juski, for what the Homebrew IR reciever?

[20:11:50]

tormen0815:

is utf8 in the database possible with mythtv 0.20 or not yet?

[20:12:03]

juski:

Led-Hed: yeah. I used 78l05 in all of mine

[20:12:07]

[Jasper]:

I guess I gotta recompile mythtv with transcode included?

[20:12:09]

[Jasper]:

:P

[20:12:11]

[Jasper]:

to use transcode?

[20:12:20]

xris:

[Jasper]: myth doesn't use transcode

[20:12:21]

Led-Hed:

mine work fine. Got the part list from the LIRC web site.

[20:12:35]

[Jasper]:

xris it can't connect to my transcode deamon :P

[20:12:35]

Led-Hed:

juski, whats the difference

[20:12:39]

[Jasper]:

mythdvd xris

[20:12:50]

xris:

[Jasper]: so not mythtv, then

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: If you are still around, finally got a sec to make thatpatch : http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/upnp1.patch

[20:12:58]

[Jasper]:

;p

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Paladine:

the LC03V is nice but it is black

[20:13:16]

juski:

Paladine: http://www.afterhours.co.uk/cases-htpc-cases-c-165_178.html

[20:13:24]

Paladine:

which totally doesn't go with the rest of our av equipment

[20:13:32]

juski:

Led-Hed: for one thing it's in a TO92 package, not TO220 ;)

[20:13:38]

juski:

so it's smaller

[20:14:00]

Led-Hed:

size doesnt matter, I have plenty of room in the cases.

[20:14:20]

juski:

oo this isn't too bad looking: http://www.afterhours.co.uk/images/LC20.jpg

[20:14:22]

Led-Hed:

(Spoken like a man with a small penis) =)

[20:14:36]

juski:

only 78 squids too

[20:14:52]

Paladine:

only lol

[20:14:58]

Paladine:

I am a student with a family and mortgage lol

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Led-Hed:

ya and with a little modding (removing the HDD LED) you could stick an IR reciever in there

[20:15:17]

Led-Hed:

Paladine, I hear you on that one

[20:15:33]

|Torg|:

taking into considetation the exchgne rate why dont you buy them from US sorces?

[20:15:33]

juski:

I spent £110 on my lc02 case. man was that _ever_ a mistake

[20:15:47]

juski:

delivery times, import duty

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Paladine:

torg, cos I get stung for shipping then I get stung for sales tax

[20:15:56]

Led-Hed:

Paladine, 88.55 for the LC03v

[20:16:18]

juski:

though with the exchange rate the way it's been it might just be worth it!

[20:16:38]

Paladine:

I do buy things from the US regularly, but only small light things

[20:16:40]

Paladine:

like ram

[20:16:45]

Led-Hed:

I was looking at building a Nano-ITX for my livingroom. But for the price I can just buy a Mac Mini w/ Core Duo

[20:16:48]

Led-Hed:

and its smaller

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|Torg|:

check out teh AOpen minipc

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Paladine:

the thermaltake bach htpc case would be nice if it wasn't black

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|Torg|:

what do you mean, black rocks!

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juski:

oh gawd. I dunno if I'd buy from after hour's computer's, with their major use of apostrophe's in all the wrong place's (sic)

[20:17:50]

Paladine:

torg, yes but it would be totally out of place under our tv

[20:17:53]

juski:

black is just... ugh

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|Torg|:

I wish I could find a white case, beige is so dingy

[20:18:04]

Paladine:

we have silver sky box, silver multichange dvd player, silver vcr and silver tv

[20:18:19]

juski:

black is the colour of 1980s Amstrad stereos

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[Jasper]:

and what's wrong with those juski ?

[20:18:38]

Led-Hed:

Aopen MiniPC is Figly

[20:18:39]

juski:

shows dust like buggery too

[20:18:45]

Led-Hed:

Fugly rather

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juski:

but too many geeks are fond of black boxes with bright flashing lights

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|Torg|:

My FE is boaz and is black, the FE is jahin and is white

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Paladine:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Desktop-ATX-PC-Computer . . . cmdZViewItem <- that would be ok if it wasn't bloody white

[20:19:34]

|Torg|:

go look up jachin and boaz and youll know why :P

[20:19:36]

[Jasper]:

juski aren't we all geeks ? :P

[20:19:41]

juski:

I've been trying to find an IR filter for my case so I can enlarge the HDD LED hole

[20:20:01]

juski:

[Jasper]: yeah but a few chosen ones appreciate good aesthetics :-P

[20:20:10]

Led-Hed:

Paladine, looks like an old InWin case

[20:20:11]

[Jasper]:

:p

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Paladine:

I am tempted to buy it and try to see how chrome paint works on it

[20:20:44]

Paladine:

but I expect it would look crap

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Led-Hed:

Paladine, it does.

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|Torg|:

if its aluminum anodize it :)

[20:21:12]

Led-Hed:

I did that to a DVD drive and it looks like shit

[20:21:15]

Paladine:

most front bezels are plastic torg

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[Jasper]:

juski do I belong to the chosen ones?

[20:21:24]

juski:

no [Jasper]

[20:21:32]

[Jasper]:

juski 8(

[20:21:47]

[Jasper]:

http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/mybox.jpg <--- just think off the computer not being there

[20:21:47]

Led-Hed:

I just dont want a DVR that looks like a desktop PC in my livingroom.

[20:21:51]

[Jasper]:

it has been moved allready

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juski:

you said "what's wrong with 1980s black stereos" for $deity's sakes

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juski:

;)

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Paladine:

I might just make one

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Led-Hed:

I'm almost tempted to just run IR over ethernet and store all my frontends in the closet

[20:22:26]

Paladine:

a sheet of 1mm aluminium is very cheap

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[Jasper]:

Led-Hed that's what I've done

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|Torg|:

yea Paladine what happend to the case you were making?

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Led-Hed:

[Jasper], ohh ohh. Details

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Paladine:

torg, my server case?

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[Jasper]:

not that hard?

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|Torg|:

yea

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Paladine:

the project is on hold at the moment

[20:23:04]

Paladine:

I have too much work to do

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[Jasper]:

I can't control it though Led-Hed :P

[20:23:12]

Paladine:

I have almost finished modding my existing server case though

[20:23:19]

[Jasper]:

that's why I'm looking for sme kind of webbased interface for control

[20:23:22]

[Jasper]:

since I have a wlan pda

[20:23:28]

Gumby:

Led-Hed: just get an USB RF remote. it will work from in a closet

[20:23:29]

[Jasper]:

which I would be able to control it wth

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|Torg|:

I was thiinig of fitting a crystalfonts 624 usb

[20:24:15]

Led-Hed:

[Jasper], the Myth has Network Remote control capabilities now. I think the Pluto team got it started

[20:24:28]

Paladine:

the only thing left to do on the server box now is respray the case and apply the decals

[20:24:34]

Led-Hed:

[Jasper], check out "Pluto Home"

[20:24:47]

[Jasper]:

wilco

[20:24:50]

Led-Hed:

http://plutohome.com/index.php?

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aliban:

Hi all

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ormus:

hi

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aliban:

any advice on USB tunner for low power system?

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Led-Hed:

anyone here know how to get MythWeather to work with DansGuardian?

[20:26:44]

[Jasper]:

any pictures of what it looks like Led-Hed ?

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Led-Hed:

[Jasper], of what looks like?

[20:27:03]

Dagmar:

Led-Hed: Stop trying to look up the weather in Nippleopolis?

[20:27:06]

[Jasper]:

the interface

[20:27:09]

[Jasper]:

of pluto

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Led-Hed:

[Jasper], the Myth portion of Pluto uses the MythFrontend. So you can use standard Myth Themes

[20:28:11]

ormus:

led-hed: do you just need a port number or website to add to a whitelist?

[20:28:24]

Led-Hed:

ormus, I wish

[20:28:27]

[Jasper]:

oh I see Led-Hed

[20:28:33]

[Jasper]:

so basically you're watching the frontend

[20:28:38]

[Jasper]:

on your screen?

[20:28:38]

Led-Hed:

ya

[20:28:41]

[Jasper]:

of your telephone?

[20:29:00]

Paladine:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PRIME-QUALITY-1mm-ALUMI . . . cmdZViewItem

[20:29:08]

Paladine:

at that price it is worth building your own

[20:29:19]

Dagmar:

Dansguardian should *not* actually interefere with MythWeather

[20:29:20]

Led-Hed:

there is more to Pluto than just MythTV, Home security and Home Automation (X10) too

[20:29:37]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar, it has something to do with HTML 1.0

[20:29:50]

Paladine:

whats pluto?

[20:29:53]

ormus:

audio problem of the day #1. audio during live tv is fine but if I schedule a show then the audio comes out with a loud metallic buzz

[20:29:55]

Dagmar:

If it's doing so, it should be a simple matter of looking at it's logs to find out *what* it didn't like about the URLs and whitelist it

[20:30:01]

Led-Hed:

Paladine, http://plutohome.com/index.php?

[20:30:35]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar, I've tried whitelisting the WeatherChannel IP's but still no luck

[20:30:37]

juski:

hoohoo these mp3s are gonna cop for it

[20:30:47]

Led-Hed:

maybe its more Proxy/Squid related

[20:31:03]

Dagmar:

Possibly a squid misconfiguration

[20:31:18]

tracy_:

any know where i should look to figure out if my ati hdtv card can tune unencrypted QAM 256 channels?

[20:31:18]

Dagmar:

Just take Dansguardian out of the picture for a bit and see

[20:31:36]

Dagmar:

Me, I don't typically worry about my mythbox pulling up porno

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tracy_:

the wiki says it should, but how should i test it?

[20:31:53]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar, I use Smoothwall.

[20:32:06]

Paladine:

Led-Hed, is it any good? look like a lot of bells and whistles to me

[20:32:11]

Dagmar:

Led-Hed: Yeah, so?

[20:32:12]

Led-Hed:

I dont want to put my Myth boxes on a seperate subnet

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Dagmar:

I've been using the openwall patch and so forth for years.

[20:32:35]

tracy_:

plug the cable in the back and try the myth tuning?

[20:32:36]

Led-Hed:

Paladine, what has bells and whistles?

[20:32:38]

Dagmar:

Years, and years, and years actually

[20:32:40]

Paladine:

pluto

[20:32:54]

[Jasper]:

I wonder

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[Jasper]:

are there devices like a wireless dvd player...

[20:33:09]

[Jasper]:

JUST the dvd player...which connects to a box

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Led-Hed:

Paladine, I've only installed it once. But it has potential

[20:33:19]

Led-Hed:

Openwall?

[20:33:20]

aliban:

How can I train or refine add detection on Mythtv?

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Paladine:

that reminds me I haven't checked the mythtv site for a while, any new plugins that are interesting?

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Led-Hed:

Paladine, ya MythArchive

[20:33:54]

Dagmar:

Led-Hed: Yes, Openwall is where it all started, which came from a kernel security patch for 2.0.x kernels

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Paladine:

I already have mytharchive installed

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Led-Hed:

ahh

[20:34:11]

achew22:

hey, there is an add for the USB HVR 950 at one of the stores, do you know if it works in myth?

[20:34:21]

[Jasper]:

what does mytharchive do?

[20:34:33]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar, my question then is, How do I disable Squid/DG for specific IP's

[20:34:35]

Dagmar:

Basically, the first stack-protection kernel patch (that survived a year) ultimately resulted in the creation of SmoothWall

[20:35:17]

Dagmar:

Led-Hed: You don't. You disable it entirely first to test whether or not DG is at fault or Squid just really doesn't trust HTML/1.0 by it's configuration

[20:35:23]

Paladine:

I wonder how much I could get for my dual cpu server with its uber custom case on ebay

[20:35:37]

Dagmar:

Paladine: Probably not much.

[20:35:38]

[Jasper]:

nada

[20:35:59]

Paladine:

I reckon I can get at least 400 for it

[20:36:02]

Paladine:

gbp

[20:36:13]

Paladine:

looking at how much the mainboards with just the cpus are going for

[20:36:19]

Dagmar:

Customizing, short of making a highly-polshed walnut-grain case with mother of pearl inlay, tends to matter not in the least to people on auction sites

[20:36:22]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar, testing now. BBIAB.

[20:37:00]

Dagmar:

Paladine: You better start the bidding at $350 and just hope you get $400 then

[20:37:16]

Paladine:

I was pleasantly suprised to find out that athlon mp 2800 barton cores are still going for 300–400 for a matched pair last night

[20:37:23]

[Jasper]:

hmmm

[20:37:33]

** [Jasper] is wondering where mythdvd put my dvd rpi **

[20:37:34]

[Jasper]:

:P

[20:37:44]

Paladine:

Dagmar, GBP (approx 1.8x more than USD) :)

[20:37:46]

Dagmar:

Paladine: Or put the phrase "No this is not a Playstation 3" in the description and hope some idiot's auctionbot bids it up

[20:37:50]

[Jasper]:

hmm

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[Jasper]:

it made a .vob of it :(

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Paladine:

dagmar, its a nice server

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Paladine:

sec I will bring him in :)

[20:38:50]

Dagmar:

Paladine: And ebayers are a bunch of skinflinty barstards

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juski:

just put it in really small text .. "note, this is not an actual ps3 – it's only a picture of one.. no refunds yada yada"

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juski:

Dagmar: oh I dunno I coulda made a mint on my case badgers

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Dagmar:

juski: Honestly you probably should go ahead and work in a small profit and probably do a run of 100 of them now

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achew22:

does anyone know if the Hauppague HPV 950 (USB) is supported under linux, and in myth?

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Edgy-Paladine:

os[Linux 2.6.17-10-server – Debian testing/unstable] up[ 16 days, 1 hours, 21 minutes] cpu[AMD Athlon(tm) MP 1800+ SMP (2 processors), 1526.537 MHz (6108.36 bogomips)] mem[ 566.37/2027.35 MB (27.9%)] video[ at ( bits)]

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Edgy-Paladine:

:)

[20:40:32]

Edgy-Paladine:

thats ecc registered ram too :)

[20:40:38]

Dagmar:

juski: No one's going to get bent out of shape if you make a profit large enough to buy yourself a 12-pack of beer. ;)

[20:40:53]

kimo_sabe:

maybe someone here can confirm this. Can you program the POWER button on the Hauppauge MCE remotes to they control the TV?

[20:41:27]

Dagmar:

Not expensive beer, but something like Corona sure

[20:41:31]

Edgy-Paladine:

it also has 10x 3.5" drive bays

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ormus:

ecc is slower.

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|Torg|:

Corona the gringo beer?

[20:42:06]

juski:

are there like over 100 mythtv users now though? ;-)

[20:42:33]

Edgy-Paladine:

whats the best type of paint stripper to remove pc beigeness?

[20:42:43]

Edgy-Paladine:

on a steel chassis

[20:43:07]

juski:

a rotating wire brush

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|Torg|:

Corona beer :P

[20:43:13]

Edgy-Paladine:

I was gonna just sand it but it would take a long time

[20:43:47]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar, its Dans Guardian related

[20:44:05]

Led-Hed:

MythWeather works fine with Squid enabled (DG off)

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aliban:

any plugin to do something similar to amarok recomendations?

[20:46:15]

xris:

/joij #gallery-support

[20:47:09]

scott_:

hey chris, updated svn yesterday .. love the new changes you've made to mythweb since 0.20

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Ediehow:

hi friends

[20:50:14]

Ediehow:

JUSKI please talk to me!

[20:50:17]

Ediehow:

haha

[20:50:18]

Paladine:

new changes? what new changes?

[20:50:28]

Ediehow:

anyone using opengl for theme painting in mythfrontend?

[20:50:38]

Paladine:

I haven't updated since 0.20

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|Torg|:

I havnt updated since midnight

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kimo_sabe:

Ediehow: I am

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Paladine:

I decided I am definitely getting a 3rd 19" LCD though

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Paladine:

just for myth and cedega

[20:51:24]

Ediehow:

kimo_sabe: do you use ati?

[20:51:26]

Paladine:

cos Iwanna run beryl on my desktop

[20:51:27]

Ediehow:

driver?

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kimo_sabe:

Ediehow: nvidia onboard video, so nope

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[20:53:41]

aliban:

can anyone answer me a question?

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h7-21:

aliban: don't ask meta-questions

[20:54:51]

aliban:

[20:55:05]

xris:

aliban: turn on auto-transcode?

[20:55:12]

xris:

not sure why you'd want to, though.

[20:55:18]

xris:

better to cut commercials out first.

[20:55:41]

aliban:

where?

[20:56:16]

aliban:

i'm recording fox channel but comercial cut dont seems to work very well

[20:56:33]

xris:

aliban: cut works fine. flag is the problem

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juski:

oh gee. 10468 tracks not counting the cds without cddb entries

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|Torg|:

the ability of myth to detect commerical depends on the show and the commericals

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|Torg|:

I have seen personnly the commericals use logo icons

[21:01:17]

Ediehow:

i get an error with ONLY mythfrontend when using opengl with ati drivers

[21:01:19]

|Torg|:

I hav seen personaly commericals use blank screen fake

[21:01:25]

|Torg|:

I ahve seen shows use lettbox

[21:01:26]

Ediehow:

fglX11AllocateManagedSurface: __FGLTexMgrCreateObject failed!

[21:01:46]

|Torg|:

and seen my bcaster brodacast HD version of the SD commerical encapsulated

[21:02:00]

Ediehow:

any ideas on how to fix?

[21:02:01]

|Torg|:

so the ability of myth to detect commericals depends ALLOT on the commercial and the the show

[21:02:09]

juski:

Ediehow: maybe don't use opengl textures

[21:02:24]

Ediehow:

juski: you mean i can't use opengl for theme painting or whatever that option is?

[21:02:37]

Ediehow:

juski: cuz i can do other opengl apps, that's why i don't understand it

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|Torg|:

just becase you can do opengl does not mean you can do ALL of opengl

[21:03:27]

|Torg|:

just becase you spek english does not mean you know every word in teh english language

[21:03:41]

Ediehow:

i guess i should say, all opengl apps seems to work except mythfrontend

[21:03:43]

|Torg|:

and specifly the ati cards on linux have very poor opengl implimentations

[21:04:14]

Paladine:

man I hate it when ebay peeps take ages to respond to questions

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|Torg|:

Ediehow this is an ATI driver issue, NOT a mythtv issue

[21:05:03]

|Torg|:

http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Installing_ATI_drivers

[21:05:23]

Ediehow:

|Torg|: it is a mythtv issue, i already dealt with that faq, because it's not doing it for other gl apps

[21:05:29]

Ediehow:

/dev/shm is mounted

[21:05:36]

Ediehow:

and that's the solution if it's happening for other apps

[21:06:10]

|Torg|:

ok Ediehow , remove the ATI card and install an NVidia 6800

[21:06:16]

Ediehow:

can you send me one?:)

[21:06:20]

|Torg|:

becase thats what is in ine, and it works fine

[21:07:00]

Ediehow:

wow, pcie cards are definitely more expensive

[21:07:06]

|Torg|:

this is an ATI issue, specifially an ATI driver issue

[21:07:13]

juski:

Ediehow: well, is it just the menus which are crashing or is it playback?

[21:07:22]

Paladine:

ati driver issue in linux? surely not ;)

[21:07:27]

juski:

anyway IMHO the opengl painter isn't all that yet

[21:07:29]

Ediehow:

juski: just the menus, half of them don't show up and that error pops up

[21:07:34]

juski:

heh

[21:07:46]

juski:

buy a nvidia card & save yourself the hassle then

[21:08:24]

|Torg|:

and yes that ATI will work in linux, as a console drive and no X

[21:08:33]

Ediehow:

well, i am using it dual head and such

[21:08:42]

Ediehow:

and it works with other gl apps. this is the first issue i've had

[21:08:53]

Led-Hed:

if I have 5 shows totaling 5.2gb will mytharchive transcode/resize the shows to fit on a 4.7gb DVD?

[21:09:03]

Ediehow:

juski: are you saying that opengl for mythfrontend painting still has issues?

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Paladine:

I wish tv manufacturers would put svideo portson the back of tv's

[21:11:18]

Paladine:

nothing looks worse than wires hanging ou of the front of your tv

[21:11:20]

Ediehow:

i didn't know what you meant by <juski> anyway IMHO the opengl painter isn't all that yet

[21:11:42]

Led-Hed:

Paladine, all my TV's have SVideo ports in the back?

[21:11:54]

Paladine:

and nothing looks more enticing for the little hands of a 1 yr old than wires sticking out of anything

[21:12:05]

Led-Hed:

lol

[21:12:29]

Led-Hed:

and VCR's like to peanutbutter sandwiches

[21:12:36]

Led-Hed:

like to eat

[21:12:50]

Paladine:

ooo actually I have a better solution :)

[21:12:59]

Paladine:

I have an svideo <> scart adapter :)

[21:13:33]

Paladine:

but where did I put it...

[21:13:36]

Led-Hed:

is scart better quality than SVideo?

[21:13:43]

|Torg|:

I thought svideo disnt do HDTV

[21:13:49]

Led-Hed:

it doesnt

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juski:

Ediehow: I mean it's not worth all the hassle for the menu fade

[21:14:17]

Paladine:

ooo I found it :)

[21:14:19]

Led-Hed:

Component, DVI, RGB(VGA), HDMI

[21:14:21]

|Torg|:

so then yes scart is bnetter

[21:14:25]

Ediehow:

oh, i thought it was more than fade, that it also reduced processor load or whatever

[21:14:35]

Paladine:

well this wont be better quality

[21:14:37]

Ediehow:

i also wanted gl b/c i have issues with overlay on my second monitor

[21:14:39]

h7-21:

xris: can you help me with setting up mythweb? i upgraded to 0.20a today and have some issues, i get the grey page with the remarks of what to check – but i think i did that (AllowOverrides All in the site file, user/passwd in the .htaccess file and afaik mod_env is built-in in debians apache2)

[21:14:46]

Paladine:

because it will be using svideo into the scart adapter

[21:15:13]

Ediehow:

juski: would you say if i can play 3d opengl games in linux that it's probably an issue with myth?

[21:15:16]

Paladine:

and no matter how much I would like it to, the scart adapter isn't going to magically improve the svideo input ;)

[21:15:25]

|Torg|:

SCART ~= HDMI?

[21:15:28]

Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx, you around?

[21:15:37]

Paladine:

but ti will work fine for what I want

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xris:

h7–21: you must have missed something. what's the directory name you used for allowoverride ?

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|Torg|:

sorry SCART ~= DVI

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h7-21:

/var/www/mythweb

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Paladine:

SCART is the standard interface on tvs for av equipment (such as vhs recorders, dvd player etc)

[21:16:19]

Paladine:

old tech

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|Torg|:

its digital tho isnt it?

[21:16:31]

Paladine:

no

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Paladine:

analog

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|Torg|:

ahh ok, it LOOKS like a DVI tho :)

[21:16:49]

aliban:

xris : so to question it's about flagging

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Paladine:

no looks nothing like a dvi

[21:16:55]

Paladine:

about 5x bigger than dvi

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Led-Hed:

my point is that with adapters the quality is limited to the lowest common denominator

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|Torg|:

ahh ok

[21:17:17]

xris:

aliban: yes

[21:17:28]

xris:

h7–21: that should be fine.

[21:17:39]

aliban:

xris : can flagged be trained?

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|Torg|:

I had a sat reciver that had it on it, looked like a big DVI about the size of a paralel port. At least thats what I was told it was

[21:18:01]

Paladine:

thislittle adapter is sweet because it has svideo in/out composite video in/out and audio left/right in/out

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|Torg|:

since I have no TV that can use it I really couldnt tell

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Paladine:

so I can just run the svideo and audio cables from the htpc box into a scart socet on the tv

[21:18:32]

Milosch:

hola

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h7-21:

xris: and i can connect to mysql with the user/pw set in the .htaccess file

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aliban:

SCART is comon use in Europe, you can have adapters to SVideo, Composite Video, and also carries 2 channel audio (input and output) signals

[21:19:24]

aliban:

Paladine sure

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Led-Hed:

are there any special settings needed in the xorg.conf to use DVI out?

[21:19:46]

Paladine:

I will have to setup my scart junction box again though

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Paladine:

cos I only have 2 scart sockets on the tv

[21:19:56]

aliban:

Paladine: but depend on the quality of the svideo signal you could have troubles

[21:20:00]

Paladine:

and they are currently used by satelite tv and dvd

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|Torg|:

Led-Hed again that is a driver question

[21:20:24]

Paladine:

I shouldn't have any quality issues on the svideo running straight out of a PC graphics card

[21:20:27]

GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: I am now

[21:20:41]

aliban:

Paladine: In the epia plataform the svideo wire could not be of more length about a meter because of the signal lose

[21:20:58]

Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx, sorry to bug ya, but I was wondering if you had ever finished the Name Hashing for MythGame

[21:21:12]

Paladine:

well this isn't an epia and the box is going to be directly under the tv so it won't need more than 0.5m cable anyway :)

[21:21:24]

GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: Yup,an commited it long ago now

[21:21:43]

aliban:

Paladine: Which maker?

[21:21:44]

Led-Hed:

ohh cool. so its in latest SVN now?

[21:21:59]

GreyFoxx:

yup

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Paladine:

aliban, all my graphics cards are nvidia

[21:22:03]

Led-Hed:

sweet,

[21:22:08]

Led-Hed:

thanks GreyFoxx

[21:22:40]

aliban:

Paladine: The hardware is ok! you shoulnd't run on to muuch truble

[21:22:48]

Paladine:

aye

[21:22:51]

Milosch:

Anyone know what "ivtv picture start overflow" means?

[21:23:13]

GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: Commited in 11615 at the end of Oct

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Paladine:

it is only for web and educational games for toddlers anyway

[21:23:21]

GreyFoxx:

so if you are running anything newer it's already there

[21:23:25]

GreyFoxx:

justneeds to be turned on

[21:23:35]

** juski goes postal **

[21:23:35]

Paladine:

oh and it will have access to the network's music archive too

[21:23:38]

juski:

ARGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[21:23:44]

Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx, thanks again

[21:24:01]

Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx, turned on? where? in the frontend?

[21:24:03]

juski:

this is why cd ripping is evil & should be illegal

[21:24:08]

aliban:

Paladine: i don't like to much the music interface

[21:24:18]

GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: Yup, in the game settings screen

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juski:

hands up who likes mythmusic a lot ... ;) and quit whining

[21:25:25]

Milosch:

as far as mythmusic goes, i have yet to find out how to make multiple playlists

[21:25:46]

GreyFoxx:

My wife stopped complaining after I showed her how to do her playlists inmythweb to use in mythmusic :)

[21:25:59]

Paladine:

I love mythmusic

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|Torg|:

im running it now juski, I just need to learn what keys do what in it

[21:26:01]

Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx, I'm running mythgame-0.20–139

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Led-Hed:

what is 11615?

[21:26:12]

Paladine:

but I won't be using myth on the lounge box

[21:26:22]

Paladine:

missus need IE

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Paladine:

and she isn't about to start running vmware to use IE

[21:26:46]

Ediehow:

Milosch: did you get an answer to your q?

[21:27:09]

Milosch:

Ediehow: about ivtv? not yet

[21:27:30]

GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: The commit changeset number

[21:27:32]

Milosch:

anyway, it doesn't seem to be causing a problem, except that mythfrontend is using 40% cpu in livetv

[21:27:38]

|Torg|:

and GreyFoxx my wife is lsiitng to mythmusic now, which is why I cant play with it

[21:27:38]

juski:

you can do playlists in mythweb?!

[21:27:39]

GreyFoxx:

no idea what that -139 stuff is

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juski:

wooooo me like the sound of that

[21:27:57]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[21:28:02]

GreyFoxx:

it's pretty nice actually

[21:28:12]

juski:

svn or -fixes?

[21:28:22]

GreyFoxx:

svn is all I know for sure

[21:28:31]

|Torg|:

load average: 0.05, 0.05, 0.09

[21:28:34]

Milosch:

i have a PVR-350 and a PVR-500 and they seem to be working ok

[21:28:39]

Paladine:

well I got my case :)

[21:28:41]

Milosch:

usually ;)

[21:28:41]

|Torg|:

shes been listing to music for well over an hour now

[21:28:46]

|Torg|:

mythfe dosnt even show up in top

[21:28:55]

Paladine:

went with the LC10

[21:29:11]

GreyFoxx:

juski: The playlist stuff there is really nice. My wife sets up her play lists from her PC then plays then on whatever fe is is near

[21:29:22]

Milosch:

|Torg|: that sounds right, as if the decoder is not working on mine

[21:29:37]

juski:

hmmm I've no playlist stuff in my mythweb :(

[21:30:00]

|Torg|:

I want to compile the svn but if I do Im almost sure it will kill mythmusic, so I dont dare

[21:30:18]

GreyFoxx:

Must be an svn addition then, I came accross it one day,showed it to her and she's used it ever since

[21:30:39]

|Torg|:

its in the svn for sure, im at it now

[21:30:40]

GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: compiling wont kill it,but installing will segfault the running one :)

[21:30:47]

Led-Hed:

I dont get audio out of MythMusic, I'm using SPDIF out and it works fine for LiveTV, Recordings, MythDV, and MythVideo. Any tricks to getting SPDIF to work with MythMusic?

[21:30:50]

|Torg|:

you wont get it tho unless you have music in the datbase listed

[21:30:57]

juski:

my brain is gonna explode if I do any more of this tagging lark

[21:31:10]

juski:

been chipping away at it all year

[21:31:12]

|Torg|:

yes you have to igitaly mix the output Led-Hed

[21:31:18]

Cybertoy:

led-hed, I spent like the last 2 days with this ...

[21:31:35]

Cybertoy:

led-hed, what does aplay -l tell you?

[21:31:36]

juski:

only 2 days? alsa requires another 2 days from your time ;)

[21:31:50]

Led-Hed:

Cybertoy, lemme check

[21:32:04]

tracy_:

talk about load averages, any1 running a fc6 box with mythtv? what is your load average when everything is idle?

[21:32:14]

Cybertoy:

led-hed, I had to use ALSA:plug:spdif as sound device in the mythtv settings...

[21:32:35]

Led-Hed:

Cybertoy, I use ALSA:Default

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Cybertoy:

led-hed, and in alsamixer you have to make sure to mute the Analog to IEC958 output.

[21:32:56]

Cybertoy:

led-hed, once I did these 2 things I had music.

[21:33:04]

Paladine:

paladine@main:~/Desktop$ uptime

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Paladine:

21:33:17 up 23 days, 3:08, 7 users, load average: 0.05, 0.08, 0.14 <- thats on ubuntu with backend and frontend running

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tracy_:

thanks Paladine

[21:33:37]

Led-Hed:

Cybertoy, http://pastebin.ledhed.net/5 results of aplay -l

[21:33:49]

tracy_:

when mine is completely idle it is about 4.00

[21:34:01]

tracy_:

and i dont know why

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Paladine:

I still need to figure out how to get alsa to use all 6 channels properly on mine

[21:34:44]

Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, /usr/bin/aplay -D plughw:0,1 /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Startup.wav

[21:34:51]

Cybertoy:

led-hed, can you hear that?

[21:34:54]

|Torg|:

load average: 0.01, 0.05, 0.02 my BE

[21:35:14]

|Torg|:

other then it hainvg mysql on it too, im not using it at all to play music

[21:35:31]

tracy_:

cpu is way down, but load is still at 4, and i have 768meg memory

[21:35:34]

Paladine:

I have it setup at the moment to duplicate front right and left to the back speakers, but I can't for the life of me get the front center to work

[21:35:38]

|Torg|:

Cybertoy its 0,2

[21:35:46]

Milosch:

8234 mythtv 15 0 354m 108m 25m R 36.0 5.6 35:16.40 mythfrontend

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Milosch:

3145 root 5 -10 0 0 0 S 8.6 0.0 7:40.57 ivtv-enc-vbi

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|Torg|:

card 0: nForce2 [NVidia nForce2], device 2: Intel ICH – IEC958 [NVidia nForce2 – IEC958]

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Milosch:

ok, so the encoder is running

[21:36:03]

Cybertoy:

Torg, according to his aplay -l it should be 0,1

[21:36:06]

Milosch:

i guess

[21:36:10]

Cybertoy:

oops

[21:36:12]

Cybertoy:

you're right

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Cybertoy:

led-hed, or this: aplay -D plug:spdif /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Startup.wav

[21:36:52]

Paladine:

torg, I have the nvidia ck804

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Hoxzer:

s

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|Torg|:

Paladine how did you do that, id love to send the decoder fake 5.1 right now its simulating it

[21:37:20]

Led-Hed:

Cybertoy, it keeps tellimg me no such file or directory. but the wav files are there

[21:37:28]

nelius:

beginer question: for an via eden bord, is it the best to run epios, or is debian also supporting its features?

[21:37:31]

h7-21:

xris: mythweb keeps telling me that the db_* environment variables are not set correctly – but i can connect with exactly these values using the mysql program

[21:37:33]

Paladine:

mine isn't 5.1 it is only 2.1 with duplicated left and right channels to the back speakers

[21:37:44]

Paladine:

if I could figure out how to make it 5.1 I would be happy

[21:37:46]

Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, let's see your "aplay -L"

[21:37:51]

|Torg|:

I have a 7.1 decoder that runs mostly in 5.1

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Paladine:

even with dvd's it doesn't seem to work properly

[21:37:58]

Led-Hed:

Cybertoy, http://pastebin.ledhed.net/5

[21:38:01]

|Torg|:

but im feading it 2ch input now as that is what music mostly is

[21:38:01]

xris:

h7–21: it means that permissions aren't properly granted by mod_env

[21:38:05]

Paladine:

sometimes it will activate the center speaker and other times it wont

[21:38:17]

|Torg|:

I can fake it with some of the settings but those also add things like reverb

[21:38:18]

Paladine:

but I have yet to be able to get full 5.1 running (with 6 independent channels)

[21:38:26]

h7-21:

xris: how can i fix this?

[21:38:48]

xris:

h7–21: read the INSTALL from svn: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythplugins/mythweb

[21:38:59]

** h7-21 reading **

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|Torg|:

xris the install for the svn differs from the install for .20

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Cybertoy:

Led-Hed aplay -L

[21:39:44]

Led-Hed:

Cybertoy, doo

[21:39:48]

Led-Hed:

Cap L

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Cybertoy:

yep

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xris:

h7–21: it basically replaces the htaccess file with an apache conf file

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Led-Hed:

Cybertoy, http://pastebin.ledhed.net/6

[21:41:14]

Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, aplay -D plughw:0,2 /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Startup.wav

[21:42:18]

Led-Hed:

nothing

[21:42:25]

Cybertoy:

error message? or just nothing?

[21:42:39]

Led-Hed:

just nothing

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Cybertoy:

ok .. then check alsamixer

[21:43:02]

Led-Hed:

alsamixer segfaults

[21:43:07]

Cybertoy:

yikes

[21:43:23]

Cybertoy:

how about KMix?

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|Torg|:

type amixer and pastebinit

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Led-Hed:

ok, got GMixer open

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ormus:

any thoughts on what is easier to get to work...Turtle Beach Montego II or Santa Cruz?

[21:44:26]

Cybertoy:

let's see "amixer" output though

[21:44:28]

** Led-Hed uses gnome. no KDE installed **

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Paladine:

gmixer sucks

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Paladine:

I find is I use gmixer it screws up my amixer settings

[21:44:50]

ormus:

having lots of audio probs at the moment with the Santa Cruz at the moment

[21:45:10]

Milosch:

hey, what's a good plugin for streaming mpeg in firefox (linux)

[21:45:18]

Led-Hed:

Cybertoy, http://pastebin.ledhed.net/7

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Cybertoy:

not good

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|Torg|:

your alsa is screwed up, reinstall it

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Cybertoy:

I concur

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|Torg|:

can you see why it segfaults?

[21:46:14]

Cybertoy:

alsamixer should not segfault...

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Led-Hed:

nope

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|Torg|:

type ulimit -c unlimited

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h7-21:

xris: well i read through the INSTALL file and modulo the fact that 20a has a .htaccess file instead of the conf file i did as told (te INSTALL mentiones some modules the README does not headers/deflate... but that did not help either ) :-( i feel really stupid

[21:46:30]

|Torg|:

then run amixer again

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xris:

h7–21: yeah, I just added the .conf stuff a few days ago.

[21:46:50]

Led-Hed:

It has been fine for 2 years, then I decided to update to MythTV 0.20 and updated the kernel and now if segfaults

[21:46:55]

xris:

as long as you JUST follow that, it'll work with .20, though

[21:47:32]

Paladine:

hmmm I wonder if my missus would prefer kde to gnome

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Paladine:

seeing as she is not tech savvy

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** h7-21 trying to put the setnenv stuff in the mythweb.conf file of apache configuration **

[21:50:10]

** h7-21 is sorry to have bothered xris with his stupidity – thou shalt always read until the end of copied template files *its working now* please accept my apology **

[21:50:23]

xris:

h7–21: glad that it's fine. :)

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h7-21:

i've set AllowOverrides to All and some lines later set it to None again ... :-(

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Led-Hed:

Cybertoy, what alsa conf's should I backup before updating ALSA? .asoundrc, modprobe.conf. anything else?

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Led-Hed:

what do you know AlsaMixer works

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xris:

h7–21: that's a fairly common mistake

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Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, sry... stepped out

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Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, fire up alsamixer

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Led-Hed:

NP, I appreciate the help

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Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, make sure IEC958 is On ... IEC958 Playback is up

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Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, and Analog to IEC958 Output is Off

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Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, then try that last aplay -D ... command again

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Led-Hed:

no, IEC958 was on, IEC958 Playback was up, and Analog to IEC958 is now off

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Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, the analog to iec958 is what screwed me up ...

[22:09:55]

Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, does the aplay give you sound now?

[22:10:01]

Led-Hed:

nope

[22:10:16]

Cybertoy:

ok .. pastebin your amixer

[22:10:32]

Led-Hed:

ALSA lib pcm.c:2143:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM /usr/share/sounds/email.wav

[22:10:33]

Led-Hed:

aplay: main:550: audio open error: No such file or directory

[22:10:34]

Maximo:

ok I've read and done everything in the README (so I think) and I'm now getting "Database Error" (and nothing more) when I try to access Mythweb..

[22:11:06]

Maximo:

the only errors I can see in the logs pertain to favicon.ico

[22:11:06]

Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, that's what happens when you run "amixer" ??

[22:12:06]

Led-Hed:

Cybertoy, http://pastebin.ledhed.net/8

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Maximo:

Where does Mythweb log its errors to?

[22:14:52]

Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, hmm.... looks good to me...

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Led-Hed:

aplay plays the file but no sound

[22:15:46]

Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, maybe try to unmute Center and LFE ...

[22:15:53]

ormus:

i'm getting a "broken pipe" error when mythbackend tries to capture from /dev/dsp. anybody ever seen this?

[22:16:42]

Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, here's mine: http://pastebin.ledhed.net/9

[22:17:14]

Led-Hed:

Cybertoy, thanks, I'll fiddle with it for a bit.

[22:18:03]

Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, yeah .. I bet it's some stupid setting.

[22:18:13]

Led-Hed:

I hope

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Led-Hed:

would be nice to use mythmusic

[22:18:24]

Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, do you use sat-tv?

[22:18:38]

Led-Hed:

no, plain jane Cable

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Led-Hed:

looking into HDTV though as I now Have 2 HDTV's in the house

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Cybertoy:

k .. never mind then.... :)

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Cybertoy:

the other 8 days I tried to get satellite to work ...

[22:19:17]

Cybertoy:

hasn't happened yet.

[22:20:12]

Led-Hed:

Ya I have no experience with SAT TV. what are you using to control the SAT tunner box? IR Blaster?

[22:20:31]

Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, nah ... I have a SkyStar II card ...

[22:20:39]

Cybertoy:

so I want the MythTV box to be the tuner.

[22:21:26]

Led-Hed:

so you have a Disk wired directly to your Backend?

[22:21:38]

Cybertoy:

yup

[22:21:46]

Led-Hed:

thats very cool

[22:22:26]

Cybertoy:

once it works... :)

[22:22:31]

Led-Hed:

didnt even know that type of setup existed

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Led-Hed:

I thought all Sats were external tunners

[22:23:22]

Cybertoy:

nope

[22:23:28]

braniff:

on gentoo, i emerged mythtv and it emerged 0.19. how do i get 0.20?

[22:23:29]

Led-Hed:

do the cards support HDTV over Sat?

[22:23:53]

Led-Hed:

braniff, talk to the maintainer of the emerge

[22:24:05]

Cybertoy:

led-hed, yup

[22:24:23]

Led-Hed:

Cybertoy, how much and where did you get them?

[22:24:35]

Cybertoy:

what? the sat card?

[22:24:42]

Led-Hed:

ya

[22:24:59]

Cybertoy:

got that a long time ago .. I used to live in Switzerland so I ordered it in Europe... but wasn't more than $100 ...

[22:24:59]

ormus:

is it likely to be a problem if my video card and sound card share an IRQ?

[22:25:13]

Maximo:

Can anyone tell me where MythWeb logs more informative error messages other than "database error" as displayed in my browser?

[22:25:14]

Led-Hed:

I live in US

[22:25:28]

Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, look for SkyStar 2 on ebay

[22:25:46]

Led-Hed:

doin it now. =)

[22:25:59]

Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, what you then need is the Dish ... a LNB (or several ... or a Motor) and cabling.

[22:26:07]

braniff:

so how do i run 0.20 on gentoo?

[22:26:32]

Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, don't expect it to be as easy as cable-tv though.

[22:26:40]

Led-Hed:

braniff, sorry my response wasnt ment to be a blow off, I just dont know anything about Gentoo

[22:26:52]

jams:

Maximo- check the webserver logs

[22:27:20]

Led-Hed:

Cybertoy, nothing about my 3 year endevor with MythTV has been easy

[22:27:32]

Cybertoy:

heh

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Maximo:

jams: yeah nothing there is giving me any clues

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Maximo:

other than not being able to locate favicon.ico

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Led-Hed:

Cybertoy, $79 USD

[22:28:38]

Led-Hed:

=)

[22:29:06]

Cybertoy:

led-hed, there's one for $36 on ebay

[22:29:11]

Cybertoy:

with buy it now button

[22:29:33]

Led-Hed:

Cybertoy, what Sat providers support the Sky Star? Direct TV or Dish Network?

[22:29:49]

Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, officially none.

[22:30:00]

Led-Hed:

then how do you get service?

[22:30:23]

Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, oficially you can't... :D

[22:30:37]

Led-Hed:

unofficially then?

[22:30:46]

Cybertoy:

it gets very complex there.

[22:31:14]

Cybertoy:

you can get it.

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** Led-Hed googles **

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olds:

heh

[22:34:04]

olds:

I have a 2.6D skystar card

[22:34:09]

olds:

skystar2 rather

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olds:

it's awesome

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|Torg|:

it does 8psk?

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Cybertoy:

yeah .. I'm struggling with my setup ..

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Cybertoy:

gonna try again now though...

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olds:

doesn't do 8psk

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Cybertoy:

what's 8psk?

[22:35:02]

Cybertoy:

hd-tv?

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|Torg|:

sat hdtv

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Cybertoy:

ah

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olds:

you can get the genpix module though

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|Torg|:

qpsk quad phase shift key is Ku band sat, or dtv

[22:35:24]

olds:

for that

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Cybertoy:

hmm.. I also have a hauppauge card here somewhere.

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|Torg|:

dishnet and bell expr4essview explitly use 8psk 8 instand of quad

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olds:

for hd, yes

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|Torg|:

hnece you would need a 8pks dvb-s card with CI, naga cam and card

[22:36:03]

olds:

for regular channels, no

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|Torg|:

that is what I have been looking for, something to put my dishnet card in so I can mythtv my dishnet

[22:36:29]

olds:

heh

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Cybertoy:

hmm... my hauppauge has a CI slot

[22:36:44]

Cybertoy:

so if you have a cam ...

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olds:

I know how to do it without, but that's not an appropriate subject for this channel

[22:37:15]

|Torg|:

knowing how to do it rather easy all you need is google

[22:37:24]

olds:

Torg: almost

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|Torg|:

what I dont kow is what dvb card to use and what supports it

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|Torg|:

also I have no access to a dishnet cam, just the access card

[22:37:59]

Cybertoy:

any nagra cam should do, no?

[22:38:18]

olds:

I really don't know

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|Torg|:

yes but you need to understand the differnece between that card and a cam

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Led-Hed:

Cybertoy, I got aplay to work through SPDIF. but still no audio from MythMusic.

[22:57:09]

Led-Hed:

Music settings "Device" ALSA:default same as mythvideo

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Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, hmm.. in the settings you should now configure the same as you used for aplay...

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Cybertoy:

then it should work.

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Cybertoy:

with emphasis on "should" ... :)

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Cybertoy:

I'm not a MythTV expert

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Led-Hed:

Cybertoy, so for the device I should put plughw:0,2

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GreyFoxx:

do you just want MythMusic to use the same output device as your recordings/video with the Internal player ?

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Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx, I want everything to use SPDIF

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Led-Hed:

right now everything works except for MythMusic

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GreyFoxx:

your frontend playbackj do that now?

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ormus:

in mythtvsetup, is there a way to specify an ALSA device for audio input rather than an OSS device, i.e., /dev/dsp?

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

ormus: Nope

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: Go into the Music settings and set the audio device to "default"

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Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, ALSA:plughw:0,2

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GreyFoxx:

That for cause it to use the same audio device as the frontend does for playback

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Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx, I've done that and get no audio

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Cybertoy:

try that

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Led-Hed:

trying

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ormus:

anybody have to tinker with /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss to get mythtv to work?

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: What does this return : mythfrontend -G AudioOutputDevice,MusicAudioDevice

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Led-Hed:

Cybertoy, that worked. wonder why ALSA:default doesnt work though

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Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx, AudioOutputDevice = ALSA:default

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Cybertoy:

Led-Hed, no idea... but that works for me like that.

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Led-Hed:

cool. I'll add that to my wiki so I dont forget in the future. Thanks for all the help Cybertoy

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Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx, what is the Name Hash setting called in MythGame settings?

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Cybertoy:

led-hed, pleasure.

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GreyFoxx:

~"Hash filenames in Display"

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sandeen:

|Torg|, what was the agp setting in xorg.conf again...?

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** sandeen gets logging turned on... **

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|Torg|:

Option "NVAGP" "2"

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|Torg|:

some use 1

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|Torg|:

I use 2

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sandeen:

|Torg|, thanks

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Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx, thanks, guess I have to compile my own. Atrpms latest doesnt heve it yet..

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Led-Hed:

anyone here know what key = Stop in mythmusic?

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: And just to be clearn, it's not in -fixes

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx did you patch that 360 problem?

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|Torg|:

Led-Hed P

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: I sent you a link to it hours ago, I assumed you saw it :)

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|Torg|:

oh no I was probbly eating :)

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Led-Hed:

isnt P = Play / Pause

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GreyFoxx:

www.phaze.org/mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

upnp1.patch

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|Torg|:

wana do it again, please :)

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|Torg|:

sorry im slow

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GreyFoxx:

no worries

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GreyFoxx:

I'll likely commit something different, but for now that patch should "fix it"

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|Torg|:

p0?

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GreyFoxx:

yup, from the root of the source

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|Torg|:

that much I got from the patch :)

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|Torg|:

thanks

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Led-Hed:

Ugg

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Led-Hed:

when I go into MuthMusic and try to edit muy playlist the Frontend dies

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|Torg|:

use mythweb

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Led-Hed:

to edit playlist

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|Torg|:

sure

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Led-Hed:

never tried it

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Led-Hed:

=)

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|Torg|:

ok GreyFoxx this compile will take 10–15 mins

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Led-Hed:

whats the default url for mythweb? http://localhost/mythweb/

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|Torg|:

http://mythbckend/mythweb/

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|Torg|:

IF you installed it according to the INSTALL doc

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hatredx:

for me its http://mythweb/ =P

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|Torg|:

ok GreyFoxx maybe less ccache rocks!

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mianos:

re

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tormen0815:

...has someone a mythtv under gentoo with standard mysql (-latin1)?

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mianos:

good evening guys

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mianos:

i checked out svn a few minutes ago – now i cant change the channels in livetv with the arrow key

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mianos:

with the epg guide it works: selecting channel and pressing M: mythtv jumps to the right channel

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tormen0815:

if I use mysql commandline client I can make a query with a german umlaut

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fryfrog:

remind me not to update svn :)

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mianos:

but in livetv it doesn't work with the keys....

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mianos:

any idea?

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fryfrog:

have you checked the keybinding is still proper?

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fryfrog:

mythweb would prolly be the easiest/fastest

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mianos:

ohhhhhhh, shame on me – i uninstalled before!! ;) now the previos selected osd-theme is not installed

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mianos:

shame on me ;)

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mianos:

sorry guys, but thx fryfrog

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|Torg|:

fryfrog whats wrong, im runing 12184 now

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fryfrog:

nothing, was a joke :)

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fryfrog:

see the :)?

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|Torg|:

ok :P

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Led-Hed:

|Torg|, how do you create a playlist in mythweb? I can view the music, but cant seem to find a way to edit the playlist

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** |Torg| wonders if he should call it 0.20.12184 **

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seth|away:

|Torg|, good news, the upgrade from kp c7 to kp d1 worked. my new sata drive was recognized, but my shows no recorded shows no longer show up in that menu

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|Torg|:

its part of the svn version you just select playlist

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GreyFoxx:

you should add -fixes or -trunk in there

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|Torg|:

ok seth I was goan ask you how it wnt :)

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|Torg|:

oops

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GreyFoxx:

since the number increments on the overal server,not just per branch

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|Torg|:

svn-trunk sorry

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seth|away:

well I was up til 2AM, but it worked, all except the databse thingy

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|Torg|:

didnt I just say im running 12184 :P

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seth|away:

my shows are on the drive, but not in the recoded shows menu

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, but fixes is also a 12xxx number :)

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|Torg|:

seth did you chgne mount points of the data maybe?

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seth|away:

yes I did fixes last night, was 12173

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tormen0815:

if I use mythtv it tells me about illegal mix of collations

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GreyFoxx:

if I commit something to mythtv-trunk it increments the number on everything :)

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seth|away:

no, I told myth to change from /mnt/store to /myth/tv

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|Torg|:

seth in the database is where the file is too go edit those

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seth|away:

and that is where the shows are

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seth|away:

I can see them

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tormen0815:

so to me it seems that mythtv does not set the charset/collation to latin1 when connecting to mysqldb?!

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GreyFoxx:

tormen0815: Nope, I don't believe we do

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GreyFoxx:

though it might be set on a pertable basis when tables are created

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tormen0815:

If I use the same sql-command on the command line in "mysql" it worx

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tormen0815:

if I use mythfrontend, it does not work?!

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tormen0815:

so it is no problem with the database

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|Torg|:

ok GreyFoxx the cpu is stable, but the 360 still dosnt see the BE

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: That's ok, I was really only expecting it to stop the 100% cpu problem

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tormen0815:

so it must be a problem in the way mythfrontend connects to the db, or?

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|Torg|:

I can test it some more, or if you think its enough commit it

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GreyFoxx:

havening never seen the 360's interface, does it find and show the machines or just the stuff it finds shared on it ?

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|Torg|:

you elete the aasocaiton in the setting table, go to media, slect media, select computer, it searches and finds just my desktop runing meia connect

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tormen0815:

I am really out of ideas, what can be the problem...

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|Torg|:

go edit teh mysql.txt file

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tormen0815:

Why do I get an "illegal mix of collations (latin1_swedish_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation 'like

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tormen0815:

'

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tormen0815:

if I use a german umlaut in my record rule

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|Torg|:

then dont use the umlaut

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Shikkie:

360 frontend?

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GreyFoxx:

Shikkie: Checking out the 360's UPNP support to play content from the backend

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|Torg|:

what about it?

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GreyFoxx:

Maybe I'll rent one next weekend if I can't find someone to loan me one for a day or 2

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Shikkie:

I'm intrigued

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|Torg|:

the 360's upnp is unstable, amongst other things it would lock up mythbackend simply by starting it. GreyFoxx just fixed that, aparently

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|Torg|:

currently the cpu box is fixed on my system, but the 360 still does not recognise the BE

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|Torg|:

in fact it dosnt reconse anything BUT microsfot MC

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|Torg|:

not Nero, not dlink

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|Torg|:

so im not surprised it dsont see the BE

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: Out of curiousity, try the patch from here : http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2724

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GreyFoxx:

see if you can suddenylyu see it and it's content

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D-side:

hah, my wii has an email address

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