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Thursday, November 30th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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xris:

mtnbkr: sync'd wth what?

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franki:

is anyone using a logitech harmony as his remote control?

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elmezie:

will mythtv for xbox still work with the newest version of mythtv?

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elmezie:

anyone know where i can find XBMC MythTV

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D-side:

sourceforge.

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mtnbkr:

xris: horizontal and veritcal sync

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xris:

mtnbkr: ?

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mtnbkr:

heh

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mtnbkr:

time lag.

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xris:

mtnbkr: ahh, long lag, so I see

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mtnbkr:

well, the output form tuner1 on /dev/v4l/video1 looks good, but the output from tuner1 on /dev/v4l/video0 is sort of scrambled

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mtnbkr:

like it is not horz and vert synced

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crweb:

is there anyway to make "Watch TV" go to the current recording if there is a recording going on?

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crweb:

or make it show what is being recorded live?

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mtnbkr:

ops got to run

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xris:

crweb: it doesn't prompt?

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crweb:

a popup comes up and says "Cannot view, recording currently"

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kormoc:

xris, no it doesn't

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xris:

shows how much I watch livetv. :)

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xris:

thought it asked if it should take you to the recordings screen

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crweb:

no, it tells you got go to the recording screen

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crweb:

i was hoping to somehow tap into the feed

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xris:

crweb: which is on the recordings screen

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xris:

but yeah, it *should* take you there automatically

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crweb:

right, but that starts you at the beginning of the video

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xris:

crweb: that would be the preferred place to start

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crweb:

and brings up the recordings screen so you have to choose whats being recorded, and it doesn't say

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crweb:

"this is currently being recorded"

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xris:

huh? in-progress recordings show up in a different color

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crweb:

oh

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kormoc:

crweb, well, myth was more designed to be content driven. I want to watch X or what not

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xris:

not the "upcoming" page, but the list of recorded shows.

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crweb:

well.. someone could be colorblind

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xris:

crweb: never heard of red/grey color blind before

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xris:

(depending on the theme)

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crweb:

the web interface has a nice "Currently Recording"

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kormoc:

crweb, so? you can still start watching it...

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xris:

crweb: not really anywhere to put it in the tv interface.

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crweb:

i just think hitting live tv should take you right to "tv"

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kormoc:

crweb, so let me make sure I understand, you want to watch what's currently recording, but you don't know what is recording and don't care?

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kormoc:

crweb, live tv is slightly different then recorded tv

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crweb:

it is

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crweb:

yes, it is

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crweb:

but I want to watch whats on the channel

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crweb:

i just want the tv on

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crweb:

i don't care whats recording. I scheduled the recordings

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kormoc:

so does a recording that you started watching in the middle count as a recorded show or a live tv show?

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crweb:

?

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crweb:

its already recording

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crweb:

i hit live TV

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crweb:

it says "can't view"

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kormoc:

which goes into a live-tv mode...

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crweb:

no it doesn't

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xris:

crweb: yes. but livetv and recordings are treated differently...

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kormoc:

I'm saying if it took you into the recording, it would go into a live-tv mode, which the recording would be treated differently

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crweb:

?

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xris:

crweb: livetv has a lower "keep" priority than scheduled recordings.

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crweb:

no, if it detects its recording, it SHOULD take you to that spot in the file its recording

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kormoc:

as well as a 24 hour life span only

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xris:

and what would you have it do if it was recording 2 or more things at the same time?

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crweb:

you can't watch 2 channels the same time

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kormoc:

crweb, sure you can, picture in picture

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xris:

crweb: you're in the minority there. Most people who would want to be taken to the beginning of the show

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crweb:

you have a "default" or you choose which input you want to watch, just like you would if you were not recording

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crweb:

xris: it doesn't even do that

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kormoc:

crweb, and what happens when you change channels in the middle of a in-progress recording?

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crweb:

I don't care if its middle, last, whatever

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xris:

crweb: that much, I"m agreeing should probably be fixed

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crweb:

when I click Watch TV, SOMETHING should start

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kormoc:

crweb, well, feel free to submit patches

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crweb:

nobody ever has a tv on just for noise?

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xris:

crweb: doubtful through mythtv.

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xris:

I think that most people prefer the current system, though I agree that it should take you to the recordings page so you can choose what to watch, rather than just spitting you back to the menu.

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crweb:

all those people that have mythtv as there only tv, don't use it for tv?

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crweb:

it is called.. mythtv, not mythrecordedarchive ;)

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xris:

crweb: no clue, there. I don't think that most people with mythtv use it "just for noise"

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crweb:

you don't use mythtv for that=

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crweb:

you use the TV for that

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xris:

I don't use mythtv for tv period.

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crweb:

and if its your only tv.. then, mythtv would be your only option if you just wanted to view tv

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xris:

that's different, though

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xris:

if you scheduled something, you wouldn't want channel surfing to interfere with that.

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crweb:

thats why you block channel changing while recording

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crweb:

i know its not a tivo, but if tivo is recording and you hit watch tv, it'll put you right smack into that time in the recording

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xris:

or you bring the user to the list of recorded programs and let him/her pick what to watch.

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crweb:

if you try and change the channel it'll prompt

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xris:

crweb: tivo only has a single tuner

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crweb:

not mine

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crweb:

and my mythtv only has 1 too

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xris:

and if mythtv has spares, you'll get livetv

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crweb:

wait wait

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xris:

my point is that if you're recording 2 or 3 things, which recording would you have it stick you into.

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crweb:

xris: you choose the same way you choose which live input to watch

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crweb:

whats so different?

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xris:

um, you don't chose which live input to watch. mythbackend assigns it based on what's available

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crweb:

?

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xris:

you can change it once you're viewing, but that's different

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crweb:

so, have mythbackend choose one, and once you're viewing, change it

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crweb:

nothing is different

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xris:

crweb: OR, you bring the user to a list and let him/her pick

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crweb:

exactly

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xris:

personally, I'd rather pick than have to hit Y 6 times to find the right one.

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xris:

the only thing that myth doesn't do now is actually bring you to the list. it just tells you to go to the list.

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xris:

and I'm sure someone will add that feature eventually

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crweb:

but with 1 input, if you hit Watch Live Tv, and the tivo is recording it takes to to the exact spot where it is recording. ANd if you hit change channel it'll say "but i'm recording, are you sure?"

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xris:

crweb: and like I said, I think the majority of mythtv users would rather be sent to the beginning of the show, so they don't miss anything.

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crweb:

to a user, live tv just means "what is playing now"

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crweb:

xris: if its a file, or the actual vid line, doesn't matter

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xris:

crweb: it's always a file

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crweb:

xris: if you wanted to view the recording from the beginning, you wouldn't have hit watch live tv

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xris:

crweb: yes. but once I realize that there's a recording in progress, I'd rather watch it from the beginning

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crweb:

then go to the video menu

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crweb:

?

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xris:

coming into the middle of a show I wanted to watch in its entirety would defeat the purpose.

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crweb:

you wouldn't have hit live tv, if you cared what was recording

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xris:

anyway, it's no point arguing with me. It's not like I can change the way things work.

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crweb:

Live TV is live, on the wire

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crweb:

it doesn't matter if it was recording or not, you wanted live

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xris:

crweb: and all I'm saying is that MOST users would prefer the current behavior (with the addition of auto-forwarding you to the list).

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crweb:

that doesn't make any sense though

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crweb:

If you hit live tv, you should get live tv

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xris:

does in my mind

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crweb:

not "beginning of the program recording"

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xris:

no, if I hit live tv, I want to watch "something"

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crweb:

no, you want to watch whats on the tuner

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xris:

if "something" is already in progress, I'd much rather start from the beginning than catch the last 5 minutes.

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crweb:

then choose the beginning

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crweb:

if my mom calls and says, hey Catch this!

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xris:

crweb: but I didn't know it was recording.

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crweb:

i hit live, to catch it

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crweb:

i don't want to go to the beggining

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xris:

crweb: it's not that hard to ff

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crweb:

its not that hard to hit a button to restart from beggining when you hit live

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crweb:

live should be live

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xris:

anyway, like I said, no point in arguing. If you don't like something, submit a patch. If you don't want to submit a patch, stop complaining to people who can't fix it.

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rukuartic:

So yeah. Anyone around here have a hardware setup that works real well and want to share it?

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xris:

rukuartic: asus pundit + firewire.

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xris:

but I wouldn't recommend the pundit these days. much better stuff out there.

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crweb:

mine is working great. PVR-150, 1.6ghz p4, 256mb ram, nvidia mx4000 pci video, wireless usb wifi, ubuntu edgy.

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rukuartic:

Haha. I was loking at the Vintage PE1 (socket 775, ddr400 with SATA, 1x VGA 2x PCI)

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crweb:

i didn't have to modify or hardly do anything

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rukuartic:

s/vga/agp

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crweb:

is there not a mythvideo web interface?

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xris:

crweb: not a very good one

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janneg:

xris: I think I found the rounding error

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xris:

janneg: woot

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xris:

crweb: but there is if you have mythvideo configured on your mythweb host.

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crweb:

I'm not seeing it in my web menu's

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crweb:

but it works on my screen

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xris:

the menu's what?

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xris:

you should see "Video" on the main menu, or a little movie snap marker icon thingie at the top, next to the speaker/music and weather sections

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crweb:

I have MythVideo on my TV, i can see and play video's

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xris:

crweb: does mythweb run on your backend?

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crweb:

yes

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crweb:

all 1 pc

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xris:

dunno what to say. it should work.

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crweb:

I have 4 buttons at top of mythweb, TV, Music, Weather, Settings

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kormoc:

xris, btw, I think it should check and make sure it's on a video capable host before offering it up anyway

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xris:

kormoc: yeah, that's a good point.

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xris:

I thought it did

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rukuartic:

What do you guys usually do for graphics? Anyone run s Video out?

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kormoc:

xris, nah, I have a video tab on christina and christina is not my mythbox :P

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kormoc:

rukuartic, I use a nvidia 6200 and it's used for tv out

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xris:

crweb: dunno. at the moment, mythvideo just checks to see if there is any video meta data.. if there is, you get the option.

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xris:

rukuartic: nvidia 5200 or greater...

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xris:

kormoc: yes, that should get fixed.

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kormoc:

crweb, did you scan the video directory or just using the filesystem browser?

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rukuartic:

Is nVidia kinda the graphics card to run with?

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kormoc:

rukuartic, aye

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crweb:

its scanned. the pc is a bit busy for a bit, I'll come back

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rukuartic:

Anyone ran Athlon processors?

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kormoc:

lots of people do

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xris:

crweb: SELECT COUNT(*) FROM videometadata;

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kormoc:

xris, huh, never suspected that would work

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janneg:

xris: grr, still an offset but it is constant. the rounding error is gone

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xris:

janneg: :(

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xris:

well, at least it's constant now

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xris:

kormoc: the query? yeah, it's cute shorthand

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kormoc:

so just do /*god this sucks major, but least it works */ x -= constant; :P

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xris:

lol

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janneg:

probably not that constant since it should depend on the display resolution

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janneg:

but I know the factor

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xris:

janneg: a step closer, then.

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** xris wonders how long it'd take for mythmusic to scan his files **

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crweb:

with a 1.6 ghz, I can record video from tv, play a video, and rip/encode a dvd all the same time :)

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crweb:

with a hardware encoder tvcard

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janneg:

I see the error but I don't know if I can fix it without rounding errors

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xris:

janneg: #mythtv, and point me to the file/etc

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crweb:

what should I be recording my tv singal in?

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crweb:

i have it set to 720x480, but is TV really that res?

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mishehu:

standard ntsc is not

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mishehu:

it's interlaced

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kormoc:

crweb, check wikipedia for NTSC, it's a little more complicated then just that

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crweb:

right I know

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xris:

crweb: analog cable is probably 480x480 at most, interlaced

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crweb:

so what should I set it for for the best record/view quality

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crweb:

someone else said to set it high

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xris:

digital cable (which is where the analog signal comes from) ranges fro 328x480 to 544x480

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kormoc:

whatever looks the best with your signal

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kormoc:

it's a judgement call, there's no hard or fast rule about it

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xris:

crweb: analog is analog, so the general reasoning is to capture as much of it as the card can handle

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crweb:

well, i can't get height to be any higher than 480, 720x480 isn't square is that going to change something?

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elmezie:

will mythtv for xbox still work with the newest version of mythtv?

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elmezie:

oops

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elmezie:

it's just that i love my boyfriend and we talked some things out and he's willing to change and he's actually starting to change and i wouldn't feel right walking away from our relatonship without knowing that i did everything to make our relationship work. i hope you understand where i'm coming from and i hope you don't get mad or become upset about my choice, but i know that you are and there's nothing i can do to change that fact

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elmezie:

ha

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elmezie:

oops

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xris:

crweb: no. it's all anamorphic

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elmezie:

sorry

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elmezie:

sorry

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crweb:

all my recordings are widescreen ish

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hjohnson:

technically, analog cable does not have a horizontal resolution

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crweb:

is that streatching or what?

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elmezie:

what to meant i says was. anyone know where i can find XBMC MythTV

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xris:

crweb: huh?

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crweb:

yeah

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siXy:

do pay-tv tuner cards such as the floppydtv work properly in myth? and if so how of say sky's info would be availiable?

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xris:

crweb: as in they display widescreen?

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kormoc:

elmezie, http://sourceforge.net/projects/xbmcmythtv/

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crweb:

tv shows have black bars across the top and bottom

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crweb:

but commercials don't

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kormoc:

elmezie, I typed xbmc mythtv into google and hit I'm feeling lucky

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xris:

crweb: that's just the stuff you're recording, then.

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elmezie:

yea me too i just did it heh

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xris:

it's part of the signal

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crweb:

the black bars?

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hjohnson:

(analog is only samped vertically and in time.

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kormoc:

yes

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xris:

crweb: yes.

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crweb:

so.. why doesn't it do that on my tv

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xris:

crweb: analog isn't capable of distinguishing std vs widescreen

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crweb:

only on my mythbox

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kormoc:

crweb, some tv's auto cut it off for you

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xris:

crweb: does your tv have a mode to detect it?

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xris:

crweb: you can change it in myth, too.

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xris:

W button, I think (maybe A)

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rukuartic:

You've got to be kidding me

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kormoc:

w does aspect ratios

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rukuartic:

They don't sell nVidia cards on newegg

[01:46:48]

kormoc:

rukuartic, sure they do

[01:46:51]

xris:

rukuartic: you're searching wrong

[01:46:59]

rukuartic:

they sell nvidia chipsets

[01:47:04]

kormoc:

rukuartic, nvidia makes chips, not cards, so that's it

[01:47:08]

rukuartic:

Ah.

[01:47:13]

rukuartic:

Wow. :: rethinks life::

[01:47:35]

rukuartic:

eVGA do good stuff?

[01:47:42]

xris:

not really

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crweb:

ok, so if i understand this right. if I record at 720x480, and its only 480x480, thats totally ok?

[01:47:43]

kormoc:

rukuartic, brands I like are MSI and XFX, I do not like evga personally

[01:47:59]

xris:

crweb: it's probably less than that, but yes.

[01:48:06]

xris:

analog doesn't have a resolution.. it's analog

[01:48:09]

kormoc:

crweb, sure, it's not really 480x480 anyway

[01:48:27]

crweb:

ok..

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rukuartic:

>< wait... the box I'm looking at has no VGA/PCI-Express... only PCI. Is a PCI video card gonna cut it?

[01:48:34]

crweb:

its not stretching my recording or anything?

[01:48:42]

kormoc:

rukuartic, sure

[01:48:51]

kormoc:

crweb, how can it? it's not based on a resolution...

[01:48:52]

rukuartic:

what if I wanna end up playing SNES stuff?

[01:48:58]

kormoc:

rukuartic, not gonna stress it

[01:49:14]

rukuartic:

no way O_o;

[01:49:19]

crweb:

kormoc: well.. i just thought ntsc was "sqaure"

[01:49:26]

crweb:

square

[01:49:28]

rukuartic:

So like, happuage + nvidia = all you really need if its got internal audio?

[01:49:38]

xris:

crweb: anamorphic means that your pixels are not square.

[01:49:45]

rukuartic:

Cuz thats my only two PCI slots.

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kormoc:

crweb, read up on ntsc on wikipedia, like I said, it's complicated

[01:49:52]

crweb:

k

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xris:

rukuartic: no agp?

[01:49:59]

kormoc:

rukuartic, sure, if the audio works fine

[01:50:05]

rukuartic:

xris: Course not!

[01:50:18]

xris:

rukuartic: then yes, that's pretty much what you get.

[01:50:18]

rukuartic:

xris: Whats your experience with PCI video cards?

[01:50:20]

kormoc:

rukuartic, what motherboard is this anyway?

[01:50:30]

crweb:

rukuartic: i'm using pci vid card

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xris:

rukuartic: works fine for me (I have a 5200 in my pundit, actually)

[01:50:40]

crweb:

rukuartic: nvidia MX4000

[01:50:55]

crweb:

it works great, even for most games

[01:51:03]

rukuartic:

like what crweb?

[01:51:21]

crweb:

well.. doom3 is to much for it..

[01:51:29]

rukuartic:

Haha O_o; How's http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150040

[01:51:40]

kormoc:

meh, the 5200 xris has can handle doom3 and hl2 on low settings okay

[01:51:53]

crweb:

yeah, this is a MX, thats why

[01:51:59]

siXy:

the mx4000 has issues with XvMC but Xv works fine

[01:52:01]

kormoc:

rukuartic, that'd be a great one

[01:52:14]

kormoc:

rukuartic, as long as you're not planning on HDTV in the near future

[01:52:32]

rukuartic:

haha no... why'd it be bad for hdtv?

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kormoc:

it has no hd ports out :P

[01:52:51]

kormoc:

no dvi or component, so it can't drive a hdtv

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crweb:

mine has dvi

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rukuartic:

o-o yea. no dvi. -.- I don't think we'd go for hdtv in the near future.

[01:53:11]

kormoc:

rukuartic, yeah, then it's fine

[01:53:22]

kormoc:

crweb, you don't have a LP card likely

[01:53:29]

rukuartic:

about 512 mb ram enough?

[01:53:39]

kormoc:

rukuartic, should be fine, aye

[01:53:44]

crweb:

kormoc: no its not

[01:53:56]

rukuartic:

Oh what the heck I'm an idiot. Its got build in GeForce 6150

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crweb:

the LP card i'm waiting for, for my agp port is Svid and vga only

[01:54:12]

rukuartic:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856110050

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kormoc:

rukuartic, do yourself a favor and use the spare gfx money for more ram then :P

[01:55:26]

rukuartic:

whatcha reccommend? Not intending to do too much TV/vide

[01:55:40]

crweb:

more ram helps?

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crweb:

i got 512mb, more better?

[01:56:02]

kormoc:

rukuartic, go ahead and pop it to a gig, you're gonna be golden for a long long time with a gig

[01:56:05]

kormoc:

crweb, can be, sure

[01:56:37]

kormoc:

it'll help speed up just overall feel of the system, which is nice

[01:56:55]

siXy:

depends on what you run tho... if you run with fluxbox or similar (or even no wm if you're brave) then 512 is a much as you will ever need

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kormoc:

after a gig, it stops doing so for the most part, but up to a gig no a days is grand

[01:57:25]

kormoc:

siXy, sometimes, sometimes not, the DB can be quite memory hoggy at times if it's not tweaked right

[01:57:26]

crweb:

yeah, i'm running flux

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rukuartic:

I'm planning on having this be the main server. Samba in BG for putting pics/movies, have to run X cuz I have the Myth Frontend and Backend on it

[01:58:11]

siXy:

yeah you do need to fiddle a bit with my.cnf on a low ram front+backend system

[01:58:17]

crweb:

more ram will probably help with other things on the system though

[01:58:34]

rukuartic:

You guys all use knoppmyth or do you work your own install from ubuntu?

[01:58:43]

kormoc:

personally, I use gentoo

[01:59:05]

kormoc:

but don't do the same unless you're very comfrontable with linux

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siXy:

rukuartic, i dont know of anyone here who uses knoppmyth

[01:59:12]

rukuartic:

Is it knoppix or gentoo which is a pain in the bum to get running?

[01:59:23]

crweb:

rukuartic: i'm using kubuntu

[01:59:27]

rukuartic:

kormoc: I'm quite comfortable, I have a small server in my basement :)

[01:59:39]

crweb:

rukuartic: edgy, all i did was apt-get install mythtv, and it all just worked

[01:59:44]

siXy:

gentoo is not for new users, really. if you havent used *nix before knoppmyth is a good choice

[01:59:59]

kormoc:

rukuartic, gentoo doesn't hold your hand, if that's what you're asking. everything gets compiled and you control it all and it's really easy to break unless you know how it all fits together

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kormoc:

Heh, I had fun the other day when I broke pam and had to figure out how to login

[02:00:30]

kormoc:

ended up having to do the init=/bin/bash trick

[02:00:37]

rukuartic:

I kinda like Ubuntu's Apt-get style... perhaps start ground up with Ubuntu Server and pull in what I need?

[02:00:46]

flindet:

crweb, do you use firewire to access your cable box?

[02:00:53]

crweb:

flindet: no

[02:00:54]

rukuartic:

Not comfortable enough to build from entire ground up, I wouldn't know what libraries I'd need

[02:00:56]

crweb:

i don't have a cable box

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flindet:

you do over the air hdtv then?

[02:01:18]

kormoc:

rukuartic, well it does most of that for you, but leaves you alone in the dark when something breaks :)

[02:01:24]

crweb:

flindet: no, i have cable

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kormoc:

flindet, he has a 150, so no hd

[02:01:29]

siXy:

rukuartic, there is no need to do that anymore. if you have used ubuntu before then that is a good hoice, although ubuntu+mythtv is not quite seamless yet

[02:02:04]

flindet:

Does ubuntu's mythtv have the firewire support for cable boxes built in?

[02:02:14]

rogue780:

siXy, ubuntu + mythtv is pretty good. that's what I'm running.

[02:02:16]

rukuartic:

siXy: So what configurating would I need to do from a drop in Ubuntu (Server perhaps) and apt-get mythtv

[02:02:35]

crweb:

flindet: you set it all up exactly the same way you do by hand, but you just odn't have to compile it

[02:02:59]

crweb:

rukuartic: google, ubuntu edgy mythtv

[02:03:06]

siXy:

rogue780, there are some issues still. some dual tuner configs have issues with the way ubuntu inits hardware

[02:03:09]

rogue780:

rukuartic, siXy, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV has skads of information on everything mythtv-ubuntu

[02:03:21]

flindet:

crweb: so the firewire set-up is compiled in already?

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kormoc:

crweb, but that's why he asked. you need to compile in firewire support, you can't enable it after the fact, so it's important to know if that optional support is built in or not

[02:04:15]

crweb:

i believe they enabled everything possible. You can find out by reading the desc file in the deb

[02:04:24]

rogue780:

I'm runing two PVR-150s on ubuntu. it works great. that's all I can really speak for though. although once I couldn't access one of my tuners--mythbackend said it was watching live tv, but none of the frontends were

[02:04:31]

siXy:

but most of the ubuntu issues are either liveable with or unlikely to affect new users, and is *very* easy to install so i would say go ahead and try it. use the desktop or alternate install cd tho, not the server

[02:04:48]

siXy:

and i would probably go for xubuntu over standard ubuntu

[02:05:00]

flindet:

what does xubuntu add?

[02:05:18]

siXy:

xubunut uses xfce instead of gnome

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crweb:

flindet: *buntu is just different default desktops, they are all the same

[02:05:21]

rogue780:

rukuartic, just an FYI, the new mythdora release came out built on fedora 5 (which has yum, like apt-get) and has mythtv .20

[02:05:26]

kormoc:

for a distro that is about unification, it has a lot of different flavors...

[02:05:45]

rogue780:

I personally haven't tried it, but I plan to load it on a frontend I'm building this weekend

[02:05:50]

crweb:

rukuartic: ubuntu has .20 also

[02:06:21]

kormoc:

well, uhh, uhh, gentoo has 0.20–11262!

[02:06:32]

flindet:

mythdora? omg, what is that?

[02:06:37]

crweb:

yeah, i think pretty much all the distro's are up to .20 nowdays

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xris:

kormoc: mythdora was started by a mythtv user who wanted something like knopmyth but fedora-based

[02:06:59]

** kormoc turns xris towards flindet **

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siXy:

heh

[02:07:14]

xris:

huh?

[02:07:21]

rogue780:

flindet, mythdora is like knoppmyth only it is built on fedora core. it is a distro of linux that has mythtv stuff built in

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kormoc:

xris, targeted the wrong person there :P

[02:07:33]

xris:

kormoc: oh. and I misread it, anyway.

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flindet:

very nice

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xris:

I was trying to figure out what a flindet was. heh.

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xris:

since I read "towards a flindet"

[02:08:02]

flindet:

I've been using fedora and manually adding myth

[02:08:12]

flindet:

flindet is just my first and last name combined

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SomethingISODD:

hello all question i am trying to gether mythtv to work and i keep getting this error 2006-11–29 20:55:30.296 XMLParse::LoadTheme using /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/stream-ui.xml error starting player

[02:08:24]

siXy:

flindet, imo unless you are completely new to linux that is the best way to do it

[02:08:27]

rukuartic:

Someone should make a mythbuntu.

[02:08:33]

rogue780:

flindet, try mythdora. I had good experiences with the old mythdora.

[02:08:43]

rogue780:

rukuartic, I've been considering starting that project

[02:08:52]

rukuartic:

rogue780: I'll work with you if yer interested.

[02:09:09]

xris:

flindet: fedora + atrpms is relatively easy to deal with.

[02:09:18]

siXy:

its much easier to diagnose issues if you are using a standard distro and adding myth rahter than using knoppmyth or one of its siblings

[02:09:26]

rogue780:

rukuartic, I am very interested. I know a few other people who could probably contribute. PM me and lets exchange e-mail, etc

[02:09:34]

flindet:

fedora + atrpms has been a nightmare for me

[02:09:43]

flindet:

too often keys are bad or dependencies are goofed

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siXy:

rogue780, there is already a ubuntu-mythtv project

[02:09:59]

rogue780:

flindet, did you look at the myth(tv)ology site by jerod wilson?

[02:09:59]

xris:

rukuartic: isn't the latest knopmyth based on ubuntu?

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flindet:

so, I've been looking to get away from fedora, actually. I've been giving Ubuntu serious thought

[02:10:17]

flindet:

I'd like to use mandriva, since that's what I use for my desktop and firewall, but they're mythtv support seems pretty dismal

[02:10:31]

rogue780:

xris, the latest knoppmyth is based on knoppix I thought...and only has myth .19

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siXy:

flindet, what do you dislike about fedora?

[02:10:38]

flindet:

rogue780: Yeah, that's what I built it from, but that's been pretty out of date last I checked

[02:10:58]

xris:

rogue780: then he's slacking. heh

[02:11:04]

rogue780:

last I checked he updated the whole site for .20 and FC6

[02:11:12]

** xris has issues with ubuntu **

[02:11:14]

flindet:

siXy: Fedora itself is fine, other than the hassles from being American (ie patent paranoia), but I've too often had troubles with the repositories having bad keys or dependencies that were goofed

[02:11:20]

xris:

or rather, ubuntu policy.

[02:11:22]

rogue780:

between that and his book it's fairly complete

[02:11:28]

** kormoc grumbles about ubuntu too **

[02:11:33]

flindet:

rogue780: Very nice. I'll give it another look then. Thanks

[02:11:53]

xris:

flindet: the third-party repo thing is the worst thing about fedora. HOPING it will go away eventually, but there are too many big egos involved.

[02:12:27]

siXy:

flindet, that sort of issue is normally a PEBCAK problem. for example using mirrors rahter than base repos in your .repo files

[02:12:34]

flindet:

rogue780: Do you know if the atrpms for mythtv have the firewire control built in? I currently have a 350 and two 150s but I want to switch over to hdtv and access my cable box for via firewire

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SomethingISODD:

Can anyone help??

[02:13:21]

rogue780:

flindet, no I don't sorry. I used fedora for a short period of time with mythtv. I now mainly use it on ubuntu with a computer that has no firewire. Sorry :(

[02:13:34]

flindet:

rogue780: His book??? He wrote a book? wild

[02:13:56]

xris:

flindet: it should, yes

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siXy:

flindet, the rpms for fedora are not modified in any major way. anything present in mythtv will be present in the rpm

[02:14:31]

flindet:

rogue780: No worries. I may just run it on mandriva and compile it from source. But I'd really like to have trustworthy repositories with binaries instead because I'm very lazy, particularly at upgrade time

[02:14:37]

xris:

SomethingISODD: I recommend lots of alcohol. numbs the pain.

[02:15:00]

SomethingISODD:

xris: lol

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siXy:

the only changes most distor packages make are to account fo varying file locations

[02:15:11]

rogue780:

flindet, yeah he co-authored "Hacking Mythtv"

[02:15:21]

flindet:

siXy: Oh, but I thought you had to specify certain options to mythtv's configure script if you want certain features, and I'm not sure if the rpm builder would have specified firewire support

[02:15:25]

siXy:

SomethingISODD, never ask to ask. just ask. it reduces the volume of questions by 50%

[02:15:25]

xris:

SomethingISODD: that's what you get for asking a vague question.

[02:15:27]

SomethingISODD:

xris: do you have anyideas what i can do to resolve this?

[02:15:39]

flindet:

rogue780: Sweet. I'll have to pick that up.

[02:15:42]

rogue780:

flindet, I reccomend giving ubuntu a shot. might not work, but I love love love ubuntu

[02:15:43]

rukuartic:

MySQL is the way to go, but whats the database do for MythTV?

[02:15:45]

kormoc:

siXy, xris, he asked way up there

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kash:

xris: any idea about getting a serial port back into /dev ?

[02:15:50]

xris:

rogue780: co-authored, but yes.

[02:15:50]

elmezie:

is it hard to upgrade to the newest version of mythtv?

[02:15:54]

kormoc:

rukuartic, sore all the data

[02:16:00]

siXy:

ooops i must have missed it :(

[02:16:04]

** siXy scrools upwards **

[02:16:08]

xris:

ok, SomethingISODD, sorry, no clue

[02:16:15]

rukuartic:

kormoc: I know. :P Any examples?

[02:16:24]

xris:

sounds like an incomplete install or the default theme is broken

[02:16:32]

rogue780:

flindet, just be aware that it is based on mythtv 0.19 and fedora core 5 / knoppix R5D1

[02:16:32]

xris:

kash: mknod?

[02:16:33]

xris:

reboot?

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kormoc:

rukuartic, uhh, you can go take a look, but it allows the data to be found fast

[02:16:39]

SomethingISODD:

i asked the question above :-) but i will state it again sorry, when i try to watch live streams i keep getting 2006-11–29 21:08:42.081 XMLParse::LoadTheme using /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/stream-ui.xml error starting player anyideas how to resolve this

[02:16:40]

kash:

xris: tried all of the above

[02:16:51]

xris:

kash: sorry, then.

[02:16:52]

rukuartic:

kormoc: Faster than locate? And where do I go look?

[02:16:56]

kash:

it creates only /dev/ttyS0

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siXy:

flindet, firewire works just fine in fedora.

[02:17:17]

kormoc:

rukuartic, uhh, locate finds files, databases holds data, like what channel is frequency x for and similar

[02:17:24]

rogue780:

rukuartic, all the data of previously recorded shows is stored in the MySQL db, as well as all of the program listings, etc

[02:17:31]

xris:

flindet: worst case, I can give you *my* packages for fedora.

[02:17:32]

rukuartic:

I figured...

[02:17:44]

kormoc:

rukuartic, mysql -u root -p mythconverg

[02:17:47]

** xris really wishes the fedora repos would standardize so he can just maintain things properly. **

[02:17:54]

kormoc:

rukuartic, type in your password and you'd get to a mysql> prompt

[02:18:00]

kormoc:

rukuartic, type SHOW TABLES;

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rogue780:

xris, I really wish that linux would standardize

[02:18:13]

kormoc:

rukuartic, then pick one that looks good and type SELECT * FROM table_name_here;

[02:18:14]

rukuartic:

kormoc: Not installed yet

[02:18:46]

kormoc:

rukuartic, for example, my mysql database for myth is around 300 megs or so of just data

[02:19:14]

rukuartic:

kormoc: yeah... I just have a friend who's saying its just easier to have everything in folders

[02:19:21]

kash:

kormoc: did you get that you-know-what? :)

[02:19:27]

kormoc:

rukuartic, well, he's on crack

[02:19:34]

rukuartic:

kormoc: No, he's just a MS user.

[02:19:37]

kormoc:

kash, mostly, missed the end :/

[02:19:38]

kash:

hhahaha

[02:19:46]

kash:

kormoc: it recorded though

[02:19:47]

kash:

?

[02:19:53]

kormoc:

rukuartic, MS uses databases too, MS SQL, access, and friends

[02:19:57]

rogue780:

hey, can someone tell me how to make myth automatically convert recordings to mpeg4? eventhough I have a 300gb for the video, I'd like to save as much space as possible

[02:19:58]

kormoc:

kash, aye

[02:20:22]

kormoc:

kash, but the last 30 min was cut off, and so I need to wait for it to play again

[02:20:26]

kash:

rogue780: look on the wiki

[02:20:33]

kash:

get info on 'nuvexport'

[02:20:45]

kormoc:

or set a transcode job to re-encode it

[02:20:46]

rogue780:

kash, thanks

[02:21:05]

rogue780:

well folks, I'm going to bed now, so take er easy and I may just see ya'll later

[02:21:19]

kormoc:

kash, rogue780, nuvexport is for exporting out of myth, you can transcode to mpeg-4 inside of myth

[02:21:34]

rogue780:

kormoc, thanks

[02:21:35]

kash:

right

[02:21:52]

rogue780:

*********AFK -sleep- AFK -sleep- AFK***********

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rukuartic:

rogue780 did you get my email?

[02:22:17]

Shikkie:

wow, mythweb is the bomb

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Shikkie:

except for errors

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Shikkie:

Error at /var/www/html/mythweb/modules/stats/tmpl/default/stats.php, line 86:

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Shikkie:

Invalid argument supplied for foreach()

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kash:

hahaha

[02:23:52]

** kormoc blinks **

[02:24:02]

kormoc:

Shikkie, what version of mythweb?

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** xris remembers to go look at kormoc's new mythwebstats additions **

[02:25:06]

kormoc:

and first opera patch :)

[02:25:12]

xris:

heh

[02:25:26]

kormoc:

I have another one that's almost working, but not quite

[02:25:46]

xris:

kormoc: did you fix that at work, too?

[02:25:59]

kormoc:

xris, can you create me a trac username while you're in there?

[02:26:12]

Shikkie:

kormoc, what came with .20

[02:26:16]

kormoc:

xris, no I didn't... I'll do so another day

[02:26:21]

sndguru:

question for someone

[02:26:47]

sndguru:

I've upgraded my backend and the shelduled recording haven't followed

[02:26:58]

sndguru:

all my recordings and guide has

[02:27:10]

sndguru:

is there a different database for that

[02:27:12]

sndguru:

???

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xris:

kormoc: I'll have to check with isaac on that

[02:27:19]

xris:

btw, you test your patch in ff and ie?

[02:27:28]

kormoc:

Shikkie, entirely new myth install?

[02:27:56]

kormoc:

xris, I did in firefox, mozilla, and konqueror, not ie tho

[02:28:21]

kormoc:

Shikkie, record something and it'll stop erroring, but I'll fix it so it doesn't anymore

[02:28:40]

kormoc:

xris, kk, I just mainly want it so my email address isn't public yet still get emails on ticket changes

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xris:

kormoc: should be fine. I'll put it in and IE users can just complain.

[02:29:00]

xris:

kormoc: yeah, I figured. still have to check with isaac, It hink

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** kormoc nods **

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xris:

kormoc: actually, I'm wrong. you'll have to bug him yourself. He doesn't have the user manager tool installed

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** kormoc nods **

[02:30:06]

kormoc:

kk, will do someday :)

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Shikkie:

kormoc I just went to look at the page again

[02:30:21]

Shikkie:

and it's listing two shows that i'd watched live

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kormoc:

Shikkie, aye, it would

[02:30:48]

Shikkie:

I figured it was a bug related to not having any recordings when I saw it

[02:30:57]

Shikkie:

it'd be so cool if the mpg file could be downloaded via mythweb

[02:31:01]

kormoc:

Shikkie, yeah, I'll just need to wrap it in a nice if block

[02:31:11]

kormoc:

Shikkie, you mean via the list recordings page?

[02:31:15]

Shikkie:

yea

[02:31:19]

Shikkie:

and snap, it can be

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Shikkie:

aww, nm I was wron

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Shikkie:

g

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kormoc:

Shikkie, hrm?

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Shikkie:

I was looking at the recordings page, and saw that there's a link to the mpg, but it's a myth:// protocol

[02:32:35]

kormoc:

I thought that got changed?

[02:32:46]

kormoc:

if you just change the myth:// to http:// it will work

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GreyFoxx:

that's configurable in the .htaccess file I think

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Shikkie:

i get this url myth://192.168.11.113:6543/1009_20061129203609.mpg

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elmezie:

does mythtv come with upgrade instructions?

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xris:

elmezie: install new version, restart mythbackend

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kormoc:

Shikkie, ooh, never mind, you'd need to change it a little more then I thought

[02:33:36]

Shikkie:

this is the .20 version from atrpms for fedora

[02:34:01]

Shikkie:

mythweb is php si?

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kormoc:

aye

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elmezie:

xris: so install it like a regular install

[02:35:13]

xris:

elmezie: yup. just make sure you're not replacing packages with source-built or vice versa so you don't have two copies of everything (/usr/ and /usr/local/)

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sndguru:

upon a database restore do you have to set your recorded shows again?????

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Shikkie:

I need to get myself a video output adapter... I thought my ti4200 had svideo out but it's some other connector :(

[02:36:28]

xris:

omg kormoc left work on TIME.

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GreyFoxx:

sndguru: No,I expect you to have to

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siXy:

Shikkie, it probably does have s-video out. you may need nvidias special plug, or just work out which pins should be connected to what

[02:37:06]

Shikkie:

it looks like it'd be svideo but the pins are different

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sndguru:

cool thankz GreyFoxx I would have figured that what the databse was there for grr like how it checks for rerecorded programs

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kash:

kormac doesn't get on at home?

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SomethingISODD:

Question do i need a capture card to use Mythtv for watching internet streams?

[02:38:10]

Shikkie:

i have to use an svideo to rca adapter beacuse the TV I want to hook it into only has rca inputs

[02:38:25]

Shikkie:

SomethingISODD I would think an internet stream would not need a capture card

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xris:

SomethingISODD: shouldn't. and the error you got is with one of the theme files.

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SomethingISODD:

xris: let me try to change to a different theme

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SomethingISODD:

xris: even on the blue theme its giving the same error

[02:45:29]

xris:

SomethingISODD: what version, how did you install?

[02:45:50]

SomethingISODD:

rpm and let me check

[02:46:00]

SomethingISODD:

i used yum to install a few moments ago

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xris:

from atrpms?

[02:46:34]

SomethingISODD:

yes

[02:46:39]

xris:

odd.

[02:46:51]

SomethingISODD:

i`m using 0.20–147.1.fc5

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Shikkie:

how good is the auto commercial flagging?

[02:47:21]

SomethingISODD:

thats all the other files this one mythstream-0.17_2–14.fc5.at

[02:47:57]

xris:

um, that would explain it, then.

[02:48:08]

xris:

mythstream should be the same version as the backend.

[02:48:25]

SomethingISODD:

hrm is there a 20 for mythstream?

[02:48:29]

xris:

oh, and it would appear that it's gone

[02:48:34]

SomethingISODD:

this is all from yum

[02:48:45]

SomethingISODD:

?

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xris:

SomethingISODD: I think it got retired.. it's not a plugin anymore.

[02:49:22]

xris:

you'll have to check the commit logs (code browser in trac) to find out why it got pulled. probably no one to maintain it and it was too broken.

[02:49:24]

SomethingISODD:

xris: so tarbal?

[02:49:35]

xris:

SomethingISODD: it's not in the code anymore.

[02:49:53]

SomethingISODD:

xris: ok so at this point streaming will not work?

[02:50:05]

xris:

SomethingISODD: yup

[02:50:08]

xris:

looks that way

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SomethingISODD:

shoot that sucks

[02:51:15]

SomethingISODD:

i guess back to searching

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siXy:

SomethingISODD, there are other ways to stream. i think some people have had success with vlc

[02:51:39]

SomethingISODD:

siXy: will vlc work with mythtv?

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xris:

siXy: he's receiving streams

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SomethingISODD:

xris: thats to start off then i want to actually stream signal as well

[02:53:03]

rukuartic:

So mythTV uses Mplayer or something to play video? Yeah I was actually wondering if it could use VLC instead or something.

[02:53:10]

siXy:

could you use vlc instead of mythvideo and get it that way? iirc you can change which program mythvideo uses

[02:53:39]

SomethingISODD:

my default it uses mplayer?

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siXy:

rukuartic, in .20+ mythtv uses the internal player for videos and dvds. i believe you can change this however

[02:54:21]

rukuartic:

Oh :P Its got internal. Thats fine then, I just have a vendetta against mplayer.

[02:54:30]

siXy:

? why

[02:54:43]

rukuartic:

Its never worked quite right, ever.

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SomethingISODD:

do either one of yous know how to change it to vlc?

[02:55:12]

SomethingISODD:

instead on mplayer

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Shikkie:

I used about 1GB for my first half-hour recording. That about normal for basic cable?

[02:59:29]

siXy:

SomethingISODD, its in frontend settings.

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GreyFoxx:

Shikkie: That'sabout average

[02:59:51]

siXy:

under media > video > player

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SomethingISODD:

siXy: I am trying to upgrade mplayer right now then i will give that a try i guess

[03:00:28]

rukuartic:

Does anyone wanna look over my hardware choices and point out any possible issues I might hit?

[03:00:30]

Shikkie:

cool

[03:00:37]

** Shikkie calculates max minutes of recordings now **

[03:00:39]

siXy:

change that to vlc and you might get somewhere. i guarentee nothing, however. (mplayer might also be able to handle streams)

[03:01:11]

siXy:

rukuartic, if you paste your system config to rafb.net i will take a look

[03:01:12]

Shikkie:

looks like I can get something over 20 1hr shows

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siXy:

Shikkie, you can change recording quality. also you can transcode to more efficent formats, such as mpeg4, after recording

[03:01:58]

SomethingISODD:

siXy: do you watch streams?

[03:02:03]

siXy:

nope

[03:02:17]

SomethingISODD:

oh all capture cards?

[03:02:40]

siXy:

i dont even watch tv. its mrs sixy whos the tv-fiend

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Shikkie:

how would I set it to transcode to mpg4?

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SomethingISODD:

oh ok

[03:03:34]

Gazo:

is there a way to make mythtv turn of gnome-screensaver ?

[03:03:52]

Gazo:

it keeps turning on while I'm watching tv :P

[03:03:53]

siXy:

Shikkie, its all in tv options. some time reading related parts of the wiki might be useful, to give you an idea of what some of the settings mean.

[03:04:07]

rukuartic:

siXy: http://rafb.net/paste/results/UHkQfz19.html

[03:04:21]

Shikkie:

yea... I read the wiki a few times on the setup part; I should read the user parts some now:)

[03:04:31]

Shikkie:

I can't wait to see how well it removes commercials

[03:04:59]

Shikkie:

I reach to fast forward through commercials even when I'm watching a DVD...

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siXy:

rukuartic, that looks fine to me

[03:06:31]

siXy:

Shikkie, its got better steadily. my wife finds some networks give more problems than others, and of course its not perfect

[03:07:12]

Hoodman:

ok, wondering if anyone can help me with a tuner card.....mythtv wont seem to recognise it, but it has the same chip as a wintv 150

[03:07:30]

Hoodman:

and i cant seem to find any info on it

[03:07:36]

Shikkie:

it doesn't falsely detect commercials though right?

[03:07:40]

rukuartic:

siXy: Any identifiable problems?

[03:08:57]

siXy:

Shikkie, its more that sometimes it skipps too much. its best to manually skip rather than get myth to automatically chop recordings, although this does depend on what you watch. some networks aare so predicitable that you can mostly get away with the auto-chop

[03:09:19]

siXy:

rukuartic, other than someone mentioned you need to juggle to get a pvr-150 to fit, no

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siXy:

Hoodman, i vaugly remember somehting about cards which were basically pvr-150s sold by someone else. ive never come across them myself, but the comments i heard were not positive. i would head over to ivtv.org and so some serious reading – you are likely to have to do a lot of poking to get it to work if my memory serves me correctly

[03:11:46]

xris:

Shikkie: commercial detection is around 80% accurate, depending on show/channel

[03:11:55]

Hoodman:

ok thanks

[03:12:06]

Hoodman:

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xris:

Hoodman: what's the card?

[03:12:30]

xris:

and what's the chip?

[03:13:10]

** siXy points xris upwards **

[03:13:59]

Hoodman:

+xris: ADS Tech instant TV Delux Conexant CX23416–12 Encoder, Conexant CX23880–19 Broadcast decoder

[03:14:10]

rukuartic:

siXy: Haha yea. :: pulls out his file and trims edged off cards.

[03:14:18]

xris:

siXy: wanted the exact info

[03:14:27]

siXy:

rukuartic, heh :) dont do that

[03:14:33]

siXy:

ah ok

[03:14:47]

GreyFoxx:

Hoodman: That encoder is whatis used by the pvr 150/250/etc

[03:14:54]

rukuartic:

dude, I remember some weird article about some guy who snapped his linksys card in half and stuck it in his laptop

[03:15:14]

GreyFoxx:

Itmight well be IVTV supported,or could be with a little work

[03:15:14]

Hoodman:

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siXy:

Hoodman, actually thats not the same one as the one i have heard of. didnt realise there are more pvr150 clones :O

[03:15:56]

Hoodman:

I was hoping to maybe get it to work, i really dont have the money for a new card

[03:16:56]

xris:

siXy: you were probably thinking of the avermedia cards.. pvr-250 clones

[03:17:11]

siXy:

Hoodman, it might be worth checking dmesg for ivtv erorrs

[03:17:14]

GreyFoxx:

CX23416 is the encoder on the pvr cards, the 350's have a CX23415 which is a decoder as well

[03:17:43]

xris:

Hoodman: you'd probably be best off poking around in the ivtv community and mailing lists, etc. the problem could be the tuner not being recognized, etc.

[03:17:48]

GreyFoxx:

they ALSO have a cx880 chip sitting in front of the encoder/decoder on the 150's and 500 which isn;'t on the 250's or 350's

[03:17:56]

siXy:

xris: ah yeah that was it :)

[03:18:09]

GreyFoxx:

Hoodman: #ivtv-dev might be helpful or better their mailing list

[03:18:28]

Hoodman:

ok, here is what i found out

[03:19:05]

Hoodman:

intv suppports the card, but mythtv doesnt...i may have that the wrong way arround

[03:19:36]

GreyFoxx:

Hoodman: myth supports ivtv, so if ivtv supports it myth will

[03:19:52]

Hoodman:

if i type lspci -v...the card does show up

[03:19:53]

GreyFoxx:

Though the very latest versions of ivtv might well be incompatible with myth

[03:19:58]

siXy:

Hoodman, if ivtv supports the card then so does myth. if ivtv doesnt support the card then niehter does myth

[03:20:15]

siXy:

oh yeah thats true..

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xris:

hmm, mythmusic has gotten a lot nicer since i last messed with it.

[03:20:41]

fysa:

is anyone working on a MythTV Frontend plug-in for MediaPortal? :P

[03:20:49]

siXy:

although i suspect if you needed the very latest ivtv you could probably build it and myth from source and get them to play along

[03:21:01]

GreyFoxx:

xris: Ihaven't laucnhed it in forever, though my wife uses it :)

[03:21:25]

xris:

my wife uses her ibook. heh

[03:21:33]

Hoodman:

[03:21:43]

Hoodman:

i wouldnt know where to begin

[03:21:50]

siXy:

pfft i still dislike it immensely – although my point of refernce is vista media center which is gorgeous

[03:22:22]

siXy:

Hoodman, knoppmyth is not friendly to non-standard hardware.

[03:22:32]

** Hoodman agrees how nice vista media center is **

[03:22:43]

Hoodman:

ive heard

[03:22:48]

siXy:

i reccomend fedora, gentoo or ubuntu probably in that order

[03:23:09]

Hoodman:

its just to dificult for me

[03:23:13]

siXy:

although if you know a little about linux gentoo is probably the best for getting the latest ivtv to work

[03:23:18]

Hoodman:

i wouldnt know where to begin

[03:23:58]

siXy:

hmm. well you can try the ivtv mailing list, but they might just blame knoppmyth

[03:24:16]

rukuartic:

Does Myth have all that sweet swishy looking graphics? EG: Press down and it doesn't just pop down, its like a smooth accelerated slide?

[03:24:52]

xris:

rukuartic: fades between screens is about it.

[03:25:08]

siXy:

rukuartic, its not as pretty as windows vista, but then it wont cost you as much. ogl accel will fade but thats as far as it goes atm

[03:28:50]

xris:

not to mention it will actually skip commercials and let you export your recordings.

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siXy:

and about 500 othe features that windows doesnt have. as nice as vista is there are a lot of things it doesnt do.

[03:31:53]

Hoodman:

Good news

[03:31:57]

Hoodman:

Due to a drastically different design, based around the CX88 driver, ivtv will never work with this platform

[03:32:25]

Hoodman:

Due to a drastically different design, based around the CX88 driver, ivtv will never work with this platform

[03:32:35]

Hoodman:

Conexant Blackbird Design (there is a driver here; this driver is being integrated into the cx88 driver) (CX23416 MPEG1/2 Encoder combined with the CX23880 Audio/Video Digitizer).

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** Hoodman is screwed **

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GreyFoxx:

that;s VERY old news

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GreyFoxx:

I'm 99% thathasn't been true for a long time

[03:34:14]

Hoodman:

but its new news to me

[03:34:16]

Hoodman:

lol

[03:34:53]

Hoodman:

so you think its not true, or true?

[03:35:05]

GreyFoxx:

not true

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Hoodman:

ok, how do i prove it wrong?

[03:35:25]

GreyFoxx:

I'm pretty sure they got past that forever and a day ago

[03:35:32]

GreyFoxx:

go ask the ivtv mailing list

[03:35:36]

Captain_Murdoch:

the blackbird driver is in the cx88 driver.

[03:35:50]

Captain_Murdoch:

I have a cx88-blackbird.ko module on my system.

[03:36:29]

Captain_Murdoch:

it's in the stock kernel I believe. I don't think I patched this in.

[03:36:44]

Hoodman:

ok, well how can i get it to realize that?

[03:36:55]

Captain_Murdoch:

better to use their cvs/svn version through I believe since it has more bugfixes, etc..

[03:37:18]

Hoodman:

+Captain_Murdoch: can you explain what that is

[03:37:32]

Captain_Murdoch:

what what is? get the latest cx88 driver source.

[03:38:06]

Hoodman:

ok, i can prolly figure that out....but what to do with it after i get it is the problem

[03:38:33]

Captain_Murdoch:

modprobe cx88-blackbird. look at their documentation for help.

[03:39:58]

Hoodman:

modprobe, is that a website?

[03:41:00]

Captain_Murdoch:

possibly, try these links: http://modprobe.com http://modprobe.org http://modprobe.net

[03:41:19]

Captain_Murdoch:

read the cx88 driver documentation, it will tell you what to do.

[03:42:04]

Hoodman:

even if my card is not a cx88?

[03:43:10]

Captain_Murdoch:

if it is a blackbird, then it's only chance of being supported is by the cx88 driver since the cx88 driver supports blackbird cards via the cx88-blackbird module.

[03:43:17]

Captain_Murdoch:

http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Cx88_devices_%28cx2388x%29

[03:43:34]

Hoodman:

thanks

[03:43:46]

Captain_Murdoch:

that's a starting point, might help you find the latest code.

[03:44:07]

Captain_Murdoch:

or if you're running a recent enough kernel, you could just try compiling it in.

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Hoodman:

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Hoodman:

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Captain_Murdoch:

then unfortunately you've got some reading to do if you want to try to get it working.

[03:47:18]

Mrgoose:

heh is mythtv supposed to take like 1 hr to make

[03:47:43]

Hoodman:

well, im thinking its gonna go back to the store

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xris:

Mrgoose: that's like saying a car takes an hour to drive to new york

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Hoodman:

and ill have to put out the extra to go to the wintv pvr150

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xris:

Hoodman: pvr-150 is like $60

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xris:

it's not that bad

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Hoodman:

i know...im just broke....lol

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Hoodman:

the wintv to go pro....any info on that one?

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xris:

no clue

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xris:

pvr-150 is going to be your safest bet

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Hoodman:

sound like it

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Captain_Murdoch:

I think newer WinTV Go cards use the cx88 driver as well since they aren't bt878 or 848 chips anymore. I'd do some research on those as I thought some weren't supported at one point because they switched tuners.

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Mrgoose:

xris: im just saying its been compiling for a long time

[03:53:16]

xris:

Mrgoose: yes. it's a very long compile.

[03:53:28]

xris:

best to install ccache in case you have to do it more than once.

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Hoodman:

ok, just wondering ...its much cheaper

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Hoodman:

lol

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xris:

Hoodman: that'd likely be because it's not a hardware encoder.

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crweb:

i got a PVR-150 274, works great, for $64

[03:53:57]

crweb:

from newegg.com

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Hoodman:

ok

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Shikkie:

amazon had pvr150s on rebate this weekend, got one for $50 w/ remote and everything

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crweb:

ooo, nice

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Hoodman:

http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-150 . . . =electronics

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Hoodman:

does this have 2 tuners?

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crweb:

Selected video codec: [ffodivx] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4)

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xris:

no

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crweb:

is that compatable with xvid/divx?

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Hoodman:

why does it have 2 coax connectors?

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xris:

Hoodman: pvr-500 has two tuners, 150 only has one

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Shikkie:

Hoodman, the pvr500 has two tuners

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xris:

Hoodman: one is FM

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Hoodman:

oh ok

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xris:

Hoodman: and two tuners would still only require one input

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Hoodman:

ok

[04:02:01]

Hoodman:

does the pvr-500 work just as well with mythtv

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xris:

Hoodman: it's exactly the same as two pvr-150 cards.

[04:02:22]

Shikkie:

Hoodman as far as I know it should. same ivtv drivers

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Hoodman:

cool

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xris:

except costs slightly more and only takes up one pci slot if you use analog cable.

[04:02:47]

xris:

(slightly more than two 150s)

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crweb:

xris: not on newegg

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xris:

crweb: really? that's nice

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Hoodman:

its 150 or so on amazon

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crweb:

xris: 2 150's $132, 1 500, $129

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crweb:

no remote though

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xris:

crweb: um, 500 is $140 shipped, dual 150's is $130 shipped

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crweb:

depends on your shipping, prememium membership, coupon code etc

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xris:

pvr-150 is under $50 from buy.com if you use google checkout

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crweb:

I got 2, 150s for $132, could have gotten a 500 for 135.99 + $4 shipping.

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Shikkie:

mmm buy.com

[04:05:00]

crweb:

oh yes, very true

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xris:

crweb: which is exactly what I said

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Shikkie:

sahweet

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crweb:

i don't see it for $50 on buy.com..

[04:06:51]

crweb:

$8 is the lowest price

[04:06:55]

crweb:

$68

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xris:

crweb: $20 discount for using google checkout

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crweb:

oh i see

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crweb:

is that for all items?

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xris:

pretty much. anything over $50

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xris:

google provides the discount, not buy.com

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crweb:

ah

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xris:

got a printer and a hard drive that way. decent discount.

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crweb:

i still can't find a cheap tv framegrabber

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SomethingISODD:

hello question I want to start I want to start up a ip TV server will Mythtv handle it or does anyone know of any software that will

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Mrgoose:

so i dont have to do the mysql -u root < mc.sql again?

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thedward:

If you have two 150s do you have to have one cable going to each card, or is there anyway to chain them internally to make it less messy?

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xris:

thedward: splitter cable

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xris:

SomethingISODD: vlc

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xris:

well, for streaming outward

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SomethingISODD:

xris: is that the only one?

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SomethingISODD:

that only does one channel at a time, and i can not do a TV guide and things like that with it

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xris:

SomethingISODD: I've never messed with iptv

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xris:

didn't think there was anything legal for it in linux

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SomethingISODD:

xris: do you happen to know of any good sites that might have software for this??

[04:19:28]

xris:

nope

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SomethingISODD:

ok well thanks anyway

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JoeyJoeJo:

are there any mythweb themes to download for .20?

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xris:

JoeyJoeJo: mythweb doesn't have themes, just skins

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xris:

and I've only been given the grey one other than default

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JoeyJoeJo:

ok, thanks for the info

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siXy:

tho i cant imagine they are hard to make

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xris:

just css

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xris:

still not super easy, since the layout is still not 100% css, but it's getting there.

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JoeyJoeJo:

probably more than I'm able to handle

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xris:

JoeyJoeJo: changing colors isn't that hard.

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newz2000:

program guide data for some channels is off by one, anyone know a solution?

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Mrgoose:

yo

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Mrgoose:

when i try to do mysaql -u root < mc.sql it says Error 1064 at line 6 error near 'DATABASE mythconvert DEFAULT CHARACTER SET latin1' at line 1

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** juski remembers he can change the skin on mythweb to the grey one he likes now **

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xris:

heh

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xris:

juski: feel free to make me a new skin for mythweb. :)

[05:57:15]

xris:

heck, I'll even let you help redesign the default template if you want. :)

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juski:

I'm having a play with it now

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siXy:

if it could become entirely css that would be a Very Good Thing

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xris:

siXy: it's happening slowly

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xris:

I have too many projects, plus a life, er, wife.

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juski:

just changing the icons at the mo'

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xris:

juski: I'd like to get to the point where there are icon sets and skins... user can choose either.

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xris:

been asked to have custom weather icon sets, too..

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xris:

which is possible. I just need to update the settings stuff to allow each module to define its own settings.

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siXy:

xris, at the minute im just trying to find a solution to a problem with my xen box, then i may be able to help migrating to css

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xris:

siXy: need to add features first.

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siXy:

which are the most importnat?

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xris:

and am still waiting for my summer of code student to commit his changes.

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xris:

siXy: features? not really sure. modularizing is the big thing at the moment.

[06:01:43]

siXy:

pfft. if hes anything like the other myth SoC students you could be waiting a loooong time

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xris:

yup

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dev:

heh

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xris:

he did send me an email the other day apologizing for being too busy with school

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siXy:

well at least he still exists. the mythmusic one has vansihed last i heard

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xris:

annoying

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** xris just discovered a bug in mythmusic **

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xris:

well, in the db schema

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siXy:

the genre key length one you mean?

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xris:

yeah

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siXy:

well, bugs that take little or no time to fix arent that bad

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xris:

yeah

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xris:

I apparently have some really long genre names

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xris:

heh

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xris:

like: Celtic – Brittany, Galicia, Spain

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xris:

should look into making those smaller

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xris:

and mp3/ogg really needs to support multiple genres

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siXy:

i never use genre as most of my music doesnt really fit comfortably into one or the other

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xris:

siXy: that's why I add more. heh

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siXy:

plus i hae a tendancy to use flac rather than compressed audio

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xris:

I do mostly vorbis

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juski:

I'm gonna stick with small icons I think since I mostly use mythweb at work :)

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xris:

ehh

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xris:

heh

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juski:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/webskin.png

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juski:

it begins.....

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xris:

awesome. :)

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juski:

another chance to give chokemaniac credit for his graphics ;)

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siXy:

looking good so far juski

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juski:

I'm getting better with inkscape though, so ya never know – I might one day be able to redraw everything

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xris:

cool

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juski:

xris: would it be possible to change the layouts at all or are the 'skins' just bound to colour & graphics changes?

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xris:

the skins are pure css..

[06:21:21]

xris:

but if you want to move something that isn't easily moved with css, bug me and I'll do what I can to css-ify the content.

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juski:

not that I'm unhappy with any part of the layout as such, I just think it'd be nice if I can bring some of blootube's styling to mythweb :)

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xris:

I'd love some help redesigning the layout...

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juski:

which might mean I'll need a slightly bigger top area.

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siXy:

inkscape looks a nice program... ive been using xara xtreme so far

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xris:

juski: I kind of want to get rid of the whole top area. heh.

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xris:

but I know that can't happen.

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xris:

would like to redesign it somehow, though.

[06:22:55]

xris:

go more dynamic.. moving menus, etc.

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xris:

problem is I still have to maintain non-js and phone compatibility, too.

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juski:

oof. you know what that's gonna mean – people will want to see that in the mythtv gui sooner

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siXy:

it would be nice if the menu structure was more friendly to those of us who just want remote scheduling but nothing else. or who just want the video streamer etc

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juski:

that's easy

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juski:

just don't click ;)

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siXy:

:)

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juski:

time I was shaking a leg & getting to work before 7.30am for a change

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juski:

laters

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xris:

siXy: that's always the struggle.

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siXy:

bye

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siXy:

xris, ideally the menus would all be dynamically generated based on what modules were enabled

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siXy:

but i am aware that thats more than 10 minutes work

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xris:

siXy: yes. which they are somewhat.

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xris:

it's hard balancing features with usability.

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xris:

esp. in a web environment where you have to support different browsers, etc.

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siXy:

well what i just described is very easy to achieve with php

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xris:

yes

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xris:

and that's what I always intended

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xris:

modules DO currently disable themselves if they're not configured in the backend.. just not 100% coverage or accuracy.

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siXy:

it might require a degree of seperation between the 'modules' taht as far as i can work out currently isnt quite there

[06:29:42]

siXy:

but ive only had a cursory look at the code so fa

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siXy:

*far

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xris:

yeah, I'd like to get it to the point where modules are all just drop-ins

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siXy:

it would be nice if the whole of the frontend was dropins as well

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siXy:

but thats a *big* job

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xris:

yeah

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xris:

it gets messy when you want to deal with themes, too

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siXy:

thats a good point

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siXy:

does anyone know anything about the floppydtv tuner?

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siXy:

looks like a good way to get sky and other paytv stuff in mythtv. just a 3.5@ (or pci slot) device thta you just put your sky card in and will decrypt the encoded cable or sat channels for you

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** xris tries to remember who was talking about lighttpd with mythweb **

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siXy:

i think it might have been janneg

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xris:

sounds right

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xris:

I think he went to sleep

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siXy:

is thre really that much benefit to using lighthttpd over apahce? especially as apache is present on pretty much all 400+ distros?

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Hoodman:

ok, im getting closer to getting this to work

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Hoodman:

can someone tell me how to change the time, in knoppmyth?

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[R]:

what does apache's market penetration have to do with superiority?

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siXy:

[R], if the question is getting it to work, reliably, for most people then lots.

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Hoodman:

please :)

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Hoodman:

lol

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[R]:

lighttpd doesnt work reliably?

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siXy:

Hoodman, man date

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siXy:

[R], thats not what i said. you are putting words into my mouth.

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Hoodman:

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siXy:

if you type man date it will show you a helpfile explaining how to change it.

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xris:

[R]: not with mythweb, no.

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[R]:

ah

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Hoodman:

in the chan....or terminal

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[R]:

well then mythweb must do some weird funky stuff

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siXy:

Hoodman, terminal

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xris:

[R]: .htaccess

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[R]:

ah

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[R]:

that makes sense

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xris:

I didn't think it could work at all with mythweb, but I've been corrected. I would like to get it working

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[R]:

googling for lighttpd htaccess makes it seem complicated

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xris:

[R]: easier to just circumvent it, I think.

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xris:

which I'm happy to do even for apache.

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Hoodman:

ok that command doesent seem to be working for me

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siXy:

you need to be root.

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[R]:

xris: but what about the rewrite?

[07:01:29]

siXy:

there may be a gui way to do it – i have no idea. i did once burn a knoppmyth disk to see what it was like but to date have not had the time to actually try it on anything

[07:01:30]

Hoodman:

it brings up dialog for the date

[07:02:05]

xris:

[R]: no clue

[07:02:32]

[R]:

everyhting else in their can be done elsewhere, except the rewrite

[07:08:09]

xris:

in their what?

[07:08:25]

xris:

says that it supports URL rewriting

[07:09:15]

xris:

anyway, time to go watch mythbusters.

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xris:

someone with ubuntu want to tell me what the path is to apache's conf.d directory?

[07:31:42]

siXy:

dont get me started on ubuntu and apache

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siXy:

they seriously mangle the poor thing

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juski:

/etc/foobar/somedir/apache2/apache/conf/conf.d/configfile/madeuppath

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siXy:

xris, i would get a ubuntu vm to test it on. ubunut does funny things with httpd.conf

[07:33:33]

xris:

siXy: I just want to know what a general path would be so I can provide an example in mythweb's new INSTALL doc

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[R]:

apps making you modify the system apache conf is evil

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juski:

xris: /etc/apache2/conf.d

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juski:

on dapper it is anyway

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xris:

juski: thx

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juski:

can't remember having to change anything in conf.d to get mythweb to work though

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juski:

although maybe debconf did at one time or other

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xris:

I'm doing my best to get rid of the .htaccess file. yay!

[07:35:56]

xris:

drop-in conf.d stuff

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juski:

so even people without brains will be able to install mythweb? ;)

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siXy:

juski, i wouldnt count on it, based on #ubuntu

[07:37:02]

juski:

I know what you mean.

[07:37:39]

juski:

I got an email from ubuntu forums saying I'd had a reply to the thread I'd started about the simultaneous spdif & analogue audio output mystery I had

[07:38:01]

siXy:

oh right? was it helpful?

[07:38:04]

juski:

I was all excited for a sec before discovering.. it was a question, the answer to which was in my original post

[07:38:16]

siXy:

lol :D

[07:39:39]

juski:

anyway, my spdif audio is still outputting what the analogue output does, so that really IS a mystery

[07:40:00]

juski:

I now think it was one of those "needs 57 reboots" kind of problems

[07:40:21]

siXy:

yeah... when even the alsa devs dont understand how or why alsa works its insane thats its part of the kernel

[07:40:58]

juski:

how I *long* for proper linux drivers sometimes

[07:41:25]

siXy:

yeah :( the thing that annoys me is that oss wasnt broken.

[07:41:39]

juski:

half the time you know, the chipsets these things use have linux source in the development kits

[07:42:15]

Dagmar:

I hate to be the one to point this out, but usually if you just read the documentation carefully for *your chipset* these screwey problems go away

[07:42:28]

siXy:

i know some windows programmers that actually use linux to write the code :)

[07:42:46]

Dagmar:

Mainly the reason the ALSA devs would have issue is their framework doesn't exactly dictate how things are virtually wired

[07:43:10]

Dagmar:

It's *really* possible for people to set it up to route audio in new and stupider ways than ever seen before

[07:43:15]

juski:

Dagmar: I did, and was doing everything the asla pages said to do. i continued to do the self same thing & it eventually worked. go figure

[07:43:32]

juski:

anyway it's almost historical now. until it breaks again

[07:45:04]

siXy:

Dagmar, according to the alsa devs it shouldnt be possible to get spdif and analogue audio out simultaneously yet it works

[07:45:33]

Dagmar:

siXy: I think possibly you misinterpret what someone said, or they were just wrong.

[07:45:40]

Dagmar:

Different chipsets have different capabilities

[07:45:56]

Dagmar:

Hell, my SBLive does analog and spdif out simultaneously.

[07:46:44]

juski:

I'd go with them just being wrong

[07:46:59]

Dagmar:

It really wouldnt' suprise me to find some CMedia chipsets that do it, and some that don't, and they might even have the same PCI ids

[07:47:06]

juski:

or just regurgitating something they heard

[07:47:21]

siXy:

yeah. some chipsets do not support it. but an increasly large proportion do

[07:47:23]

Dagmar:

Cmedia cards make my grab for the antacid tablets most of the time

[07:47:29]

Dagmar:

s/my/me/;

[07:47:41]

Dagmar:

They work, but *what* they can do is practically a dice throw

[07:48:06]

Hoodman:

im having some problems viewing live tv, everything seems to be working now....just no video

[07:48:11]

siXy:

cmedia make some very very good chips. they have a bad rep as they are in some of the cheapest and most rubbish cards in the world, but some of thier chips are fantastic

[07:48:12]

Hoodman:

can anyone help?

[07:48:32]

juski:

I wouldn't define 'no video' as 'almost working'

[07:48:39]

juski:

but carry on...

[07:48:45]

Hoodman:

well, its getting better, and better

[07:48:48]

juski:

1. have you tested the tuner in linux and does it work?

[07:48:49]

Dagmar:

siXy: Yeah, I've never had them *not* work, but I've gotten into the habit of always going for the motherboard manual to find out what, exactly, those rear ports are supposed to do

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Hoodman:

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Hoodman:

im very new

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Dagmar:

If he's getting audio, the tuner works.

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Hoodman:

oh, ya...i dont think im getting audio

[07:49:42]

Dagmar:

Hoodman: did you use someone's package or did you build it from source?

[07:49:49]

Mrgoose:

when i try to connect to my database iwth my front end it says Failed to connect to Mysql database conn

[07:49:51]

Mrgoose:

any clue?

[07:49:55]

Hoodman:

package, its knoppmyth

[07:50:03]

Dagmar:

Hoodman: Okay, so what the hell is "everything seems to be working now....just no video" supposed to mean then?

[07:50:03]

juski:

Hoodman: please elaborate on that? wow. I mean did you test the tuner works in linux. you know – outside of mythtv

[07:50:32]

Hoodman:

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Hoodman:

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juski:

knoppmyth – auto everything, cross fingers & hope your hardware 'just works'

[07:50:56]

Dagmar:

It's going to *stay* broken a long time if you can't be accurate in your reporting of what works and what doesn't

[07:51:21]

juski:

ok then. what kind of tuner card is it? is it a Hauppauge pvr type of tuner? DVB? framegrabber ?

[07:51:24]

Dagmar:

Hoodman: What tuner card do you have?

[07:51:47]

Hoodman:

the card is a ADS tech instant tv delux

[07:52:02]

juski:

software encoding framegrabber

[07:52:06]

Dagmar:

Crap.

[07:52:13]

juski:

you need an app called tvtime to test it works

[07:52:30]

Hoodman:

can you help me to get that?

[07:52:47]

Dagmar:

http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/

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Hoodman:

it uses a hardware encoder

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juski:

calling a card like that 'deluxe' is like saying 'delux grit-based toilet paper'

[07:53:09]

[R]:

ha

[07:53:09]

Hoodman:

ok, it was cheep

[07:53:09]

Dagmar:

Or read the documentation on KNoppix and find out how to get the tvtime package to install

[07:53:10]

juski:

Hoodman: what makes you say that?

[07:53:16]

Dagmar:

Hoodman: It does not use a hardwarae encoder

[07:53:32]

Hoodman:

jesus, can we get past the fact the card sucks

[07:53:36]

Hoodman:

my god

[07:53:43]

juski:

anyway...

[07:53:57]

Hoodman:

it was cheap, and i dont have alot of money

[07:54:10]

Dagmar:

It still doesn't use a hardware encoder.

[07:54:14]

juski:

time to acquaint yourself with knoppix's package management system then

[07:54:16]

Mrgoose:

any clue why my frontend cant connect to mysql on the backend

[07:54:35]

Dagmar:

Mrgoose: reason #1 is usually not realizing you needed to enable networking on the mysql server

[07:54:55]

Hoodman:

ok, i guess the conexant chips on the card, that are just like the wintv cards are just for show

[07:54:58]

Dagmar:

Mrgoose: Most distros (with good reason) start the mysql server with the --skip-networking argument by default

[07:55:09]

Mrgoose:

ahh'

[07:55:11]

Dagmar:

Hoodman: they are TUNERS. Not encoders.

[07:55:26]

Dagmar:

Hoodman: If you can't listen to the answers you get here from people who know FAR more about this than you, then just stfu and go away

[07:55:42]

Hoodman:

[07:57:07]

[R]:

i swear, my retarded roommate always leaves his playstation paused in the middle of a game, and the stupid thing spins the cd every minute, and its really annoying

[07:57:10]

Hoodman:

if you cant face the fact that you dont know every card off the top of you head....i have a list of the hardware encoder and decoder, ive been trying to get this to work all nioght....so you shut the fuck up

[07:57:12]

Dagmar:

I might well be. You've not exactly been forthcoming about details

[07:57:48]

Dagmar:

Hoodman: I don't have to know them off the top of my head. I use Google like most everyone else does, which means the accuracy of our information is directly proportional to the accuracy of the information you give us

[07:57:50]

Hoodman:

what ever.....try helping someone, insted of degrading what they have

[07:58:20]

Hoodman:

then telling them they are wrong....just because they dont know much about an OS

[07:58:34]

Dagmar:

Hoodman: Welcome to the ignore list, whiny-assed noob

[07:58:40]

Hoodman:

fuck you

[07:58:43]

[R]:

you know what my holiday wish is

[07:58:52]

siXy:

juski – got disconnected from my nx session hence late reply – but his card is actually based on the same chips as the pvr-150

[07:58:53]

Dagmar:

A demon that will grant you three murders, er wishes?

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

no, that tv cards would just magically work in linux

[07:59:18]

[R]:

i remember when i first got my card

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Dagmar:

[R]: That one's easy, just buy a Hauppauge card

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[R]:

it took me like a week to get it to work

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[R]:

Dagmar: arne't those $$$?

[07:59:51]

siXy:

Hoodman, its best not to swear in irc.

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Dagmar:

[R]: Man I only paid $125 for the PVR-500, but I shop online like a sterotypical jew

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siXy:

[R], a whitebox pvr-150 is very cheap now

[08:00:10]

[R]:

125 is pretty expensive

[08:00:19]

Hoodman:

im sorry, ive been constantly anoyed tonight by people that think they know everything

[08:00:24]

Dagmar:

[R]: At the time it was about the price of two PVR-150s, which were about the price of the average Bt8x8 card

[08:00:24]

[R]:

Dagmar: rofl

[08:00:47]

crweb:

how do i change the internal transcoder to use xvid for dvd ripping?

[08:00:52]

[R]:

my piece of crap bt878 was like $20

[08:01:04]

Hoodman:

and i know i have the wrong card, but in the last 3 hours, its so close to working

[08:01:07]

crweb:

[R]: what was it, cause I need one

[08:01:09]

siXy:

ive been amazed by my cheap leadtek dtv1000-t – amazing quality for hardware that cost virtually nothing

[08:01:17]

Dagmar:

When you take into account all the *abymal hassle* non-accellerated cards are (having to transcode from nipplevideo, heavy system load, unforgiving process priorities, etc) it ain't so cheap

[08:01:27]

[R]:

the box said "Easy TV Tuner" i think

[08:01:29]

[R]:

or some crap like that

[08:01:36]

Dagmar:

[R]: You said the magic words: "piece of crap bt878". I have five such piece of crap cards.

[08:01:41]

[R]:

lol

[08:01:46]

siXy:

Dagmar, his card is basically a slightly modified pvr-150. its not a framegrabber.

[08:01:51]

crweb:

Dagmar: do they work in linux?

[08:01:53]

Dagmar:

It's about a million times easier to use a PVR card, no kidding

[08:02:16]

[R]:

i literally wrote a quick shell script to modprobe the module with card=x on a loop 1 to 150 and run tvtime to test

[08:02:17]

Dagmar:

crweb: what, the hauppauge PVR cards? Yeah. http://www.ivtvdriver.org

[08:02:22]

[R]:

it was a whorish bitch

[08:02:32]

crweb:

Dagmar: no the cheap framegrabbers

[08:02:33]

Hoodman:

see why i get anoyed.....everything else is just junk

[08:02:36]

Dagmar:

[R]: Ugh yeah that's one of the things I like the least about those.

[08:02:46]

Dagmar:

crweb: They work, if you're willing to basically waste a lot of CPU time on them

[08:02:57]

crweb:

Dagmar: i need one for realtime vid

[08:03:03]

[R]:

but it works like a charm and has been for like 2 years

[08:03:16]

crweb:

Dagmar: for gamecube on my lcd/mythtv box

[08:03:22]

Dagmar:

crweb: The fun thing is that to record with them you have to have about 1.2Ghz of power just for encoding in realtime

[08:03:45]

crweb:

Dagmar: don't plan on recording, just need to play GC/ps2, etc

[08:03:57]

Dagmar:

Having to buy that much more CPU kinda offsets whether or not you can get them for $20, becuase you can easily pick up a PVR card for about $35–40 if you shop around

[08:04:10]

siXy:

Hoodman, im going to have to go for an hour or two in 5 mins. may be able to help you later on, however

[08:04:19]

juski:

siXy: I have a card that uses the same chipset as a hauppauge pvr250 – it doesn't work in linux fully though

[08:04:23]

Dagmar:

crweb: Then in those cases I'd honestly use TVTime, not MythTV. TVTime is better for just watching stuff and never trying to record

[08:04:23]

crweb:

Dagmar: hardware encoders delay the video, you can't play games on them

[08:04:33]

Mrgoose:

Dagmar i did grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.1.%" identified by "mythtv"; and it still says failed connect any other ideaS?

[08:04:36]

crweb:

Dagmar: yeah, you use mythtv menu, to launch tv time ;)

[08:04:45]

siXy:

juski, the avermedia one?

[08:04:49]

Hoodman:

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crweb:

I just can't find any crap tuners for less that $20 that I know work

[08:05:01]

Hoodman:

but i appreciate the help

[08:05:04]

Dagmar:

crweb: Dude I build packages for Slackware users, but I'm not that much of a masochist to built MythTV *just* to have it run TVTime

[08:05:04]

Hoodman:

:)

[08:05:05]

crweb:

so if anyone wants to get rid of one. let me know

[08:05:06]

siXy:

Hoodman, then return it and get a whitebox pvr-150

[08:05:14]

crweb:

Dagmar: ?

[08:05:23]

Hoodman:

thats easier said than done

[08:05:28]

Hoodman:

but im gonna try

[08:05:41]

crweb:

Dagmar: my mythbox has a 25" lcd, 2 PVR-150's and a PVR-500

[08:05:47]

siXy:

they really dont cost that much.. and they do just work

[08:05:56]

juski:

siXy: no it's a leadtek pvr2000. same mpeg encoder, same video decoder chip

[08:05:57]

Dagmar:

Mrgoose: Do you see anything in the mysql server log saying it saw a connection come in from the frontend? Basically we wanna ferret out how much of what is supposed to be happening actually *is* happening

[08:05:58]

crweb:

Dagmar: i need framegrabber so i can play GC in my bedroom.

[08:06:08]

Hoodman:

im gonna try, i dont know if ill have the money

[08:06:21]

Dagmar:

crweb: And so, your TV only has one input then?

[08:06:30]

crweb:

I don't have a TV

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siXy:

Hoodman, do you want digital, analogue or svideo/composite?

[08:06:59]

Hoodman:

well, i honestly dont know

[08:07:02]

Dagmar:

crweb: So what's MythTV got anything to do with it at all then? Seems like you may have overplanned that

[08:07:16]

crweb:

Dagmar: ?, MythTV displays on the 25" lcd...

[08:07:18]

siXy:

juski, yeah i never saw the point of the pvr2000 over the dtv1000-t

[08:07:31]

Hoodman:

at this point im general confuced

[08:07:31]

crweb:

Dagmar: using vga

[08:07:35]

siXy:

Hoodman, where do you live?

[08:07:41]

Hoodman:

ohio

[08:08:02]

juski:

siXy: support is coming on well though – I can record mpeg2 video with it now, but I need to do some work with mkrufky to help sort the audio routing out ;)

[08:08:08]

siXy:

right. ive no idea about the american tv system. are you trying to capture cable tv?

[08:08:17]

Hoodman:

yes

[08:08:34]

[R]:

crweb: http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__Sabrent_Sabren . . . rch=TV+Tuner

[08:08:36]

Dagmar:

crweb: I don't get why you're not using the *computer* that's there as a *computer*. You've got a PC, and a VGA monitor, so you might as well add a mouse and keyboard

[08:08:47]

[R]:

crweb: that looks pretty much identical to the card i have, and i have a hard time beliving that one has MPEG, cuz mine doesnt

[08:08:50]

crweb:

Dagmar: I have a computer..

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siXy:

ok. then you need a pvr-150. use froogle or similar and search for pvr-150 – there should be some pretty cheap ones that dont have a remote

[08:08:58]

Dagmar:

crweb: Just give yourself some great big icons for starting TVtime or Myth's frontend separately. :)

[08:09:12]

crweb:

Dagmar: i built a DVR/TV box to run my 25" lcd

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Hoodman:

im gonna try

[08:09:23]

Hoodman:

ill be back when i get ti

[08:09:26]

Hoodman:

it

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Hoodman:

later all

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crweb:

Dagmar: my LCD is hanging on the wall, takes up no floorspace, and only has 2 cables running to it :)

[08:09:41]

[08:09:57]

Mrgoose:

Dagmar: alright tryin to figure out how to find the log

[08:10:00]

siXy:

you wallmounted a 25" tv?

[08:10:01]

crweb:

Dagmar: my personal PC is a totlly seperage system

[08:10:11]

crweb:

it's a 25" LCD

[08:10:19]

crweb:

again, a DELL 25" LCD

[08:10:23]

siXy:

fair enough...

[08:10:26]

crweb:

lol

[08:10:44]

crweb:

I don't have a TV, i used mythtv to turn my 25" LCD into a nice DVR/TV

[08:10:51]

siXy:

normally i wouldnt bother wallmounting anything less than 32" and even thats pushing it

[08:11:02]

crweb:

siXy: it gets it off my bedroom floor

[08:11:23]

crweb:

no entertianment center, taking up space, and it just hangs there like wall artwork

[08:11:38]

Mrgoose:

any of you know where mysql logs are?

[08:12:01]

siXy:

i have a nice big rack full of av taking up a corner of both my living room and mrs sixy's patience

[08:12:02]

crweb:

siXy: it was all much cheaper than a 25" lcd tv

[08:12:22]

crweb:

and I got built in DVR

[08:12:54]

siXy:

Mrgoose, /var/log on most distros

[08:12:55]

Dagmar:

Mrgoose: There should be an error log in /var/lib/mysql or wherever your acutal DB data files are stored

[08:12:56]

kenguru:

is anyone using EIT to fetch program data

[08:13:33]

Dagmar:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/log-files.html <-- handy sometimes

[08:14:03]

[R]:

i swear, europe has it so much better than the US when it comes to TV

[08:14:08]

[R]:

dvb, eit, all this cool stuff

[08:14:13]

crweb:

Dagmar: when i built it, i didn't know/realize that the encoder delay would be so large that I couldn't play ps2/gamecube on it. :)

[08:14:26]

Dagmar:

You *may* need to start up mysql a little differently, as most distros don't enable the general query log by default. See http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/query-log.html

[08:14:33]

null__:

Does anyone have an idea on how to wake up a computer with an ir-receiver that is connected to the serial port? Does this work with the "modem-wakeup" function?

[08:14:44]

Dagmar:

crweb: You can reduce the delay, but yeah it'll never be suitable for playing games through. The documentation even mentions this

[08:15:07]

siXy:

[R], ive found a way to get full access to sky and so on using a internal tuner – no rubbish ir blaster solutions

[08:15:07]

Dagmar:

null__: Not unless you wire the IR reciever differently from most people

[08:15:25]

kenguru:

[R], my next question would be why epg won't show data when eit has fetched it for next 2 weeks :)

[08:15:27]

Dagmar:

Wake-on-serial should be able to do it

[08:15:46]

crweb:

you should beable to get X to recognize it as a input that wakes screen.

[08:15:46]

[R]:

kenguru: if the data is there, it shows it

[08:15:46]

null__:

Dagmar: wake-on-serial needs to be supported by the motherboard, right?

[08:15:52]

Dagmar:

null__: yes

[08:15:56]

[R]:

kenguru: so you know what the conclusion is, its either not there, or it's horribly wrong

[08:16:13]

crweb:

oh, sorry read that wrong

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[08:16:16]

null__:

Dagmar: ok, i'll have a look at that then ;-)

[08:16:30]

Dagmar:

null__: Wake-on-modem (specifically, "modem") tends to sometimes be looking for the string "RING" to come from the modem, or a softmodem depending

[08:16:47]

siXy-isn:

meh that bind is bust. oh well. im off.

[08:17:04]

[R]:

time for a crazy electronics mod story!

[08:17:22]

null__:

Dagmar: hm ok.

[08:17:26]

Dagmar:

Mrgoose: I would have first checked to be sure your mysqld is actually being started in a way that allows networking

[08:17:38]

Mrgoose:

yea im tryin to find that now

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[R]:

my dad made a circuit to turn on the computer when the TV turns on

[08:17:44]

Mrgoose:

i added the grant privileges to the mysql database

[08:17:51]

Dagmar:

Mrgoose: Like, if --skip-networking is *there* and you *remove it* that'll likely be the only holdup

[08:17:58]

[R]:

it subsequently turns it off when the tv turns off

[08:18:10]

Dagmar:

[R]: lol

[08:18:30]

Dagmar:

You might wanna put a UPS in there

[08:18:37]

Dagmar:

Something with USB monitoring

[08:18:49]

Dagmar:

Then you can maybe have upsd do a graceful shutdown

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[R]:

it doesnt just cut the power

[08:18:54]

[R]:

it does it gracefully

[08:18:58]

Mrgoose:

Dagmar: i dont see --skip networking in the mysqld start up script

[08:18:59]

[R]:

it pulses the power button

[08:19:04]

[R]:

and acpid kicks in

[08:19:13]

Dagmar:

Mrgoose: so do a `netstat -tunap | grep mysql`

[08:19:28]

Dagmar:

Mrgoose: Check to be sure it's listening to a network socket

[08:19:33]

Mrgoose:

tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 21703/mysqld

[08:19:40]

Dagmar:

This is good

[08:20:02]

Dagmar:

Mrgoose: did you run mythtv-setup on the frontend box and tell it where the database was?

[08:20:08]

Mrgoose:

yea

[08:20:15]

Dagmar:

Well, hell.

[08:20:23]

Mrgoose:

heh

[08:20:32]

Mrgoose:

or does mysqld_safe tell it not to to allow netowrking?

[08:20:38]

Dagmar:

I guess the next step would be to try (as root, on the backend) `tcpdump -l -v -n port 3306`

[08:21:04]

Dagmar:

Mrgoose: If you don't see --skip-networking showing up in `ps -auxwww | grep mysql` then it's probably not there

[08:21:14]

Dagmar:

mysql_safe doesn't have anything to do with network security

[08:21:31]

Dagmar:

It's just there to make it hard for someone to screw up and start two daemons at once (because they will shred your database)

[08:21:57]

Mrgoose:

hmmp i did the tcpdump

[08:22:02]

Dagmar:

Mrgoose: but since it's for certain listening on port 3306, --skip-networking is something you can pretty much rule out now

[08:22:14]

Mrgoose:

and then tried to connect from frontend and i still get the error, but nothing shows up new on tcpdump

[08:22:22]

Dagmar:

Mrgoose: If you do the tcpdump you should see nothing *until you start the frontend* and it tries to connect to the backend

[08:22:24]

Mrgoose:

so i guess frontend isnt communicating

[08:22:25]

null__:

Dagmar: my motherboard has a setting named "Wake-on COM & LPT", maybe this is the way to go?

[08:22:37]

Dagmar:

If nothing's showing up, then check yer mysql.txt file on the frontend

[08:22:48]

Dagmar:

null__: That will be your best bet, yeah

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Dagmar:

null__: Check the motherboard documentation to find out (if it says, you won't have to guess) which lines it monitors and considers a wake-up signal

[08:23:38]

Mrgoose:

would my date being wrong have anything to do with it

[08:23:44]

Dagmar:

Mrgoose: Nope

[08:24:10]

Dagmar:

Not unles syou've managed to set it to something impossible like a 73-bit int

[08:25:02]

null__:

Dagmar: it says "power's on the computer when detecting any activity on COM1/2 or LPT1 ports"

[08:25:09]

null__:

Dagmar: so I guess that would be exactly what I need

[08:25:16]

Dagmar:

Mrgoose: There's a DBHostname field in your mysql.txt file on the frontend that must point at the machine hosting the database server

[08:25:41]

Dagmar:

null__: Whord. That should work fine. I've got one board that requires DTS to go high on serial, so it would probably be freaking useless

[08:25:56]

Dagmar:

er not DTS, RTS

[08:26:02]

Dagmar:

Bah like it matters anyway

[08:26:10]

null__:

Dagmar: hehe, I'll try it when I get home...

[08:26:21]

Dagmar:

"any activity on COM1/2" sounds like "easy mode" to me.

[08:27:06]

null__:

hehe

[08:27:06]

Mrgoose:

Dagmar: well the front is XBMC mythtv for xbox

[08:27:11]

Dagmar:

Mrgoose: You're notably silent each time I mention the mysql.txt file. You have looked at this file, yes?

[08:27:47]

Mrgoose:

i was looking for it

[08:27:49]

Mrgoose:

i dont see it

[08:28:01]

Dagmar:

Mrgoose: Are you or are you not using MythTV on the frontend?

[08:28:05]

Mrgoose:

yes

[08:28:14]

Dagmar:

It's not a yes or no question.

[08:28:54]

Mrgoose:

yes i am running mythtv

[08:29:23]

Dagmar:

So it shouldn't much matter that it's some cracked out xbox-centric build.

[08:30:09]

Dagmar:

If it's a "normal" MythTV frontend (meaning it's running Linux and has a local filesystem and all that fun stuff) then you're going to have a mysql.txt file that tells the frontend where the database is and what credentials are needed to connect to it

[08:30:48]

Dagmar:

If you are counting on UPnP to work it's magic and using some stuff made by Microsoft on the Xbox, you're on your own

[08:32:07]

Dagmar:

I've got zero experience or info about how the heck the UPnP stuff works with Myth, so I stay out of that stuff

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[08:33:01]

Mrgoose:

yea

[08:33:07]

Mrgoose:

i'll poke around, thanks for getting me this far

[08:33:17]

Dagmar:

Okay

[08:34:25]

Dagmar:

Mrgoose: After doing some googling, you *might* wanna spawn a window to irc.efnet.net and check in #xbmc for some infoz on what exactly the XBMC thing can do

[08:34:48]

Dagmar:

Apparently it's *not* actually super-flexible

[08:35:07]

Mrgoose:

true

[08:35:21]

Dagmar:

Oh bugger. They need to fix their webpage. They're on this network in #xbmc now too

[08:37:01]

juski:

xbmc? play video, play music, watch mythtv, watch yootube videos, play dvds, watch trailers & be mesmerised by non crappy visualisations

[08:37:36]

Dagmar:

juski: Well if someone would port the *actual* synaesthesia visualization over, or maybe fix it up to allow XScreenSaver hacks we could have some fun

[08:37:58]

juski:

projectm, ftw

[08:38:29]

Dagmar:

Enh

[08:38:35]

Dagmar:

Milkdrop doesn't exactly thrill me

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juski:

it doesn't? and synaesthesia does? what's wrong with you?

[08:39:40]

Dagmar:

For one thing, synathesia has always been better about being able to sneak images (as in actual pictures) into the thing

[08:40:09]

Mrgoose:

ahh

[08:40:09]

Dagmar:

For the other, synasthesia did more than just wobble a sheet on the screen a long time before milkdrop did anything but that

[08:40:13]

Mrgoose:

so i did the tcpdump thing again

[08:40:21]

Mrgoose:

and it is showing that it got a request

[08:40:28]

Mrgoose:

04:43:22.470321 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 0, offset 0, flags [DF], length: 40) 192.168.1.102.3306 > 192.168.1.108.1030: . [tcp sum ok] ack 36 win 5840

[08:40:40]

juski:

Dagmar: so what? it's about where it's at _now_ not who was first ;)

[08:41:10]

Dagmar:

juski: I just wonder why only a *partial* port was done

[08:41:25]

Dagmar:

All the code for pulling in images seems to have gone missing

[08:41:37]

juski:

maybe it was too much hard work for next to no payback

[08:41:38]

Mrgoose:

so it is communicating

[08:41:40]

Mrgoose:

just wont connect

[08:42:07]

Dagmar:

Besides which, to put it very bluntly, Synaethsia is more focused on tickling brains that have been soaked in hallucinogens.

[08:42:38]

juski:

if you drop enough acid, the mythtv interface is entertainment enough on its own, I imagine

[08:42:48]

Dagmar:

Nah, too many buttons.

[08:43:07]

Dagmar:

You'd never find your way out of the setup menus and would have to give up on ever watching TV (or seeing civilization) again

[08:43:20]

juski:

Mrgoose: are you trying to connect to the mysql server with the correct password?

[08:43:40]

Dagmar:

juski: does XBMC even *talk* to the database in a meaningful way?

[08:43:56]

juski:

xbmc mythtv? yeah

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Mrgoose:

juski: yea use the correct username/pass

[08:44:17]

juski:

Mrgoose: you sure?

[08:44:21]

Mrgoose:

positive

[08:44:39]

Mrgoose:

i even tried the root l/p

[08:45:04]

juski:

Mrgoose: and /etc/mysql/my.cnf has skip-networking commented out and/or bind-address set to the right ip address? and if you changed either you _did_ restart mysql, right?

[08:45:45]

Dagmar:

juski: We've already verified it's listening on port 3306 using netstat

[08:45:47]

Mrgoose:

i dont have a my.cnf

[08:45:51]

Dagmar:

So at least that can be rules out

[08:45:51]

Mrgoose:

but we did the listenong port

[08:45:54]

Dagmar:

s/rules/ruled/;

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Mrgoose:

heh

[08:46:12]

Mrgoose:

well i'll be gosh

[08:46:13]

juski:

then it might just be a simple perms issue then

[08:46:14]

Mrgoose:

its working now

[08:46:26]

Mrgoose:

i tried another u/p and that one worked

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Dagmar:

You need to look at your grants table then because you screwed up

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Mrgoose:

yea

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morten_:

how can i have myth ignore certain pieces of information when searching imdb? CD number, specifically.

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morten_:

like, "Apocalypse Now CD1" and "Apocalypse Now CD2". CD1 & CD2 mess up the search. how can i have those ignored?

[08:52:56]

Dagmar:

You can't.

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morten_:

damn

[08:53:06]

Dagmar:

You just do the search yourself and then tell it the IMDB number

[08:53:12]

juski:

I suggest that when you rip the DVDs you don't split them up then

[08:53:12]

Dagmar:

Not super-hard.

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morten_:

it doesn't even show up as an option

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Dagmar:

lol

[08:53:26]

morten_:

so i'd have to enter numbers manually for almost all my movies :(

[08:53:33]

juski:

boo hoo

[08:53:38]

Dagmar:

Then when you rip them, rip them as one disc.

[08:53:45]

morten_:

i didn't rip them

[08:53:50]

Dagmar:

BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU'RE NOT ASKING US FOR HELP WITH YOUR WAREZ

[08:53:50]

juski:

uh oh

[08:53:55]

morten_:

k

[08:53:56]

morten_:

:(

[08:53:57]

Dagmar:

BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE STUPID

[08:54:06]

Dagmar:

hinthinthint

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morten_:

<_<

[08:54:12]

morten_:

>_>

[08:54:23]

Dagmar:

heh

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Dagmar:

For once I actually understand what the wacky japanese >_< stuff means

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juski:

whatwhatwhat?

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Dagmar:

Usually I have no idea what they're supposed to be drawing

[08:56:05]

Dagmar:

That one I grokked as "looking around uncomfortably"

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juski:

if you knew a little bit of perl you could prolly script around this little problem

[08:56:27]

juski:

and besides, it's not every day you need to look up imdb infos

[08:56:32]

juski:

or even more than once

[08:56:49]

juski:

just knuckle down & stop whining. damnit

[08:57:08]

Dagmar:

I *think* I'm close to having a list of all the stuff that might be relatively important to track about recordings

[08:57:34]

Dagmar:

Gonna try shoehorning it into MythVideo soon when I'm more sure of it. I don't like requesting/recommending database changes

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morten_:

who maintains the imdb plugin?

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Dagmar:

Whoever maintains MythVideo

[09:00:09]

morten_:

who maintains MythVideo?

[09:00:15]

Dagmar:

I doubt they're going to be receptive to what I think you're going to suggest

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morten_:

how come?

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Dagmar:

They've got plenty of work ahead just beating the stupid out of the thing as it stands now

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Dagmar:

Especially to bother with requests from people too lazy to look int he changelog to find their email address

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morten_:

hmm. imdb.pl is maintained by Tim Harvey

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morten_:

who is that?

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juski:

Tim Harvey is the guy who maintains imdb.pl apparently

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Dagmar:

*cheers*

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morten_:

i'll go check if he's in #mythtv

[09:02:05]

morten_:

i'm sure he'd love to hear my suggestion

[09:02:18]

morten_:

i know i would

[09:02:21]

** juski goes to see the fireworks **

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Dagmar:

Watch his response be "s/ CD[0–9]$//g; you noob!"

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morten_:

where should i put that?

[09:03:22]

Dagmar:

er "s/ CD[0–9]$//gi;"

[09:03:46]

Dagmar:

If you don't know perl you might as well stick it on a 3x5 index card and wear it in your hat.

[09:03:59]

morten_:

will do!

[09:04:09]

Dagmar:

If you know perl then you can wedge it in there practically anywhere just before it makes the imdb query and the video name is in $_

[09:04:40]

Dagmar:

That regexp would remove " CD1" and whatever reasonable variants exist from the end of a string stored in $_

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morten_:

i gathered as much

[09:05:01]

Dagmar:

Actually, I think the g part might be superfluous

[09:06:43]

Dagmar:

But then I don't see manually searching IMDB with an actual browser to be all that hard

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morten_:

that's not too hard. but it takes time. and you have to manually enter the number. and i have to do that using my remote and crap

[09:07:27]

morten_:

or...actually. i could export x via ssh and open a frontend on my laptop...

[09:07:31]

morten_:

i r smrt

[09:07:32]

Dagmar:

I have a lot of *old* movies, so maybe about half the time I get to see a long list of hits (because of generic titles in horror flicks) and not a whole lot to indicate which one I should use, so I just manually look them up and punch in the number

[09:07:51]

morten_:

u r smrt 2

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Dagmar:

morten_: Or, you could just run the frontend on your notebook and not even have to tunnel/export the display

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Dagmar:

...provided you've got Linux on your notebook that is

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morten_:

then i'd have to install the frontend on my laptop

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Dagmar:

Building packages is key

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v jams

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morten_:

there are packages available. i just don't need mythfrontend on my laptop

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Dagmar:

I need it on mine. :)

[09:11:18]

Dagmar:

It makes it a lot easier to listen to music in the bedroom

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morten_:

i tunnel amarok via ssh for that

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morten_:

i find it a much better client than mythtvs own

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Dagmar:

The important thing is that the gf can work MythTV's interface

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morten_:

amarok isn't that difficult. but i guess mythtvs is very simple.

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morten_:

it annoys me that mythtv can't keep info even if you move a file

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morten_:

especially if you're not even changing the file name

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morten_:

:(

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Dagmar:

Hint: The full path *is* it's filename

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Dagmar:

You move it, you change that

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Dagmar:

Otherwise how well do you think Myth would handle 487 copies of "video.mpg"

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Dagmar:

...or "porno.wmv" for that matter.

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morten_:

hmm

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morten_:

i suppose you have a point

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morten_:

do movies have tag info, ala mp3s?

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morten_:

.avi files, for instance

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juski:

nope

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morten_:

who should i make that suggestion to?

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morten_:

who maintains .avi?

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morten_:

ah. Microsoft.

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morten_:

i guess i can forget about that, then.

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juski:

avi is just a container, not a video format

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juski:

I'm going to make a suggestion

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juski:

in the time it's taken to mess about here you could have made a script to look everything up

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morten_:

if i knew perl, yes

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juski:

it's not rocket science

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juski:

I didn't know any bash script or perl when i made my first script either

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juski:

I still don't!

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juski:

;)

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morten_:

i never would have guessed...

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morten_:

<_<

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morten_:

ooh, burn!

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juski:

anyway I've just thought of a big snag with that approach

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juski:

sometimes multiple titles are found

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morten_:

i did find an easier way than entering the number. if i just hit enter, and remove the CD part of the name, it will search properly

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kakalto:

Is the Philips 713x chipset supported?

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morten_:

i think that's what i'm using

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morten_:

i could check my X log to be certain, tho

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morten_:

hm. doesn't say in there.

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morten_:

not sure how to check, but if you tell me how, i will

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anxt:

can you guys support winmyth!

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anxt:

all i want is mythtv in win32

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anxt:

why doesn't the backend work in cygwin!

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juski:

winmyth is very very broken

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anxt:

i was j/k

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anxt:

i never had it work

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juski:

and you say 'all' you want is mythtv on windows but it's not that simple

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anxt:

i dunnp how the devs did

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kakalto:

morten_: lspci ?

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anxt:

lspci.exe > *

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juski:

some progress has been made towards getting mythtv to build with cygwin but nothing has been reported about it for a while

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anxt:

that said i did have a frontend work on mac

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anxt:

juski: i was just being a moron

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juski:

there's nothing to even suggest tht mythtv on windows will be as reliable as it is on linux either

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anxt:

feel free to attack me

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anxt:

;)

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juski:

even morons are entitled to opinions sometimes

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anxt:

i liked the apache stance

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morten_:

lspci might work

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Dagmar:

Stop using Windows, damnit.

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morten_:

i'm not :(

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anxt:

umm ... it might run .. why are you trying on windows

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morten_:

/usr/bin/lspci 4 lyfe

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morten_:

but it doesn't return anything useful

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kakalto:

pastebin?

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Dagmar:

cuz reeding iz hard

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kakalto:

then link me up?

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anxt:

piss me off i gotta stupid via-rhine at work

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morten_:

i'm not the one needing help, kakalto

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anxt:

wasted a whole day on it

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Dagmar:

*snicker*

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anxt:

umm that said

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juski:

nothing wrong with via-rhine

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Dagmar:

udev has no problems with via-rhine

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kakalto:

morten_: there's just no mention of philips in lspci?

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anxt:

there is drastic updates to via-rhine.c in 2,6,18

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juski:

I spent a whole 30 mins ocmpiling a kernel with via-rhine support

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juski:

so don't use 2.6.18

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anxt:

udev isn't the issue

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anxt:

via-rh8ine on this POS i got is flaky, works fine

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Ediehow:

hi, please help

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anxt:

if you rmmod and modprobe

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Dagmar:

You run the 0-day kernel, which is known to have a whole bunch of (by comparison) radical changes in it, and are suprised to see that some things stop working?

[10:03:02]

Ediehow:

for some reason my lirc script is not executing /etc/rc.d/init.d/lirc

[10:03:03]

Ediehow:

err

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Ediehow:

/etc/sysconfig/lirc

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Dagmar:

Sad.

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Ediehow:

LIRCD_OPTIONS="-H uirt2_raw -d /dev/ttyUSB0

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Ediehow:

"

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anxt:

Dagmar: opposite, it doesn't work in 2,6,15 a fave kernel of mine

[10:03:25]

Ediehow:

despite, in the script, having

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Ediehow:

# Load LIRC config

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Ediehow:

[ -f /etc/sysconfig/lirc ] && . /etc/sysconfig/lirc

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Dagmar:

anxt; Worked fine for me with that one

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anxt:

i am hoping 2.6.18 fixes it

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Ediehow:

so why is it not loading that config file?:(

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juski:

Ediehow: this is #mythtv-users not #lirc

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anxt:

Dagmar: well you didn't have shit hardware then

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Ediehow:

juski: really?

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Ediehow:

shoot, wrong channel again

[10:04:22]

anxt:

Dagmar: and adding a decent nic is not an option

[10:04:22]

Dagmar:

anxt: Yep. I tend to not use crap because I know better, and I dont' blame the software when I do use crap

[10:04:33]

Dagmar:

...but via-rhine isn't crap

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juski:

lemme guess. you already tried #lirc but got no reply

[10:04:44]

Ediehow:

an empty channel:)

[10:04:48]

anxt:

Dagmar: it is the people i work with, i didn't buy the hardware

[10:05:05]

Dagmar:

Ediehow: You can always try in #yer_distro's_name

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anxt:

i never accuse via-rhine.c of being crap

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juski:

#linspire maybe :-P

[10:05:24]

Dagmar:

...since I'm pretty sure this is a "I know nothing about system administration" problem, they should be able to help you

[10:05:26]

anxt:

accused*

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Dagmar:

Via-rhine driven cards aren't crap, either.

[10:06:09]

anxt:

i would take an etherexpress pro in a heartbeat

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Dagmar:

anxt: Whats't the vendor and product codes on your NIC?

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kakalto:

morten_: thanks anyway, mate =)

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anxt:

but that isn't an option

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anxt:

Dagmar: i am not at work iirc 6102 0x7c?

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anxt:

VT6102

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anxt:

iirc

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anxt:

no 72

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Dagmar:

That is not correcrt

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anxt:

i will straighten it out

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anxt:

Dagmar: i am using fleeting memory

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anxt:

as in mine

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anxt:

i am sure i will get it to work tommorow

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anxt:

i am making these "live distro" cdes for an audio encoding appliance

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anxt:

the machine boots cd, no HD and then encodes vorbis audio for icecast

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Dagmar:

Looks like the vt6102 is a new one

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anxt:

heh pays the bills

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Dagmar:

...and is one of those screwed up cards that you have to pull four numbers from to find out what it is.

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Dagmar:

Definitely atypical for via-rhine

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anxt:

Dagmar: i don't even know if i recalled that correctly

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Dagmar:

Well, there's a 6102 that's a rhine-II card, which is slightly different from the usual ones

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anxt:

i don't really have the skillset to patch kernel

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Dagmar:

You don't need to patch the kernel

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anxt:

by patch i mean write my own patch

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anxt:

hmm

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anxt:

i am quite knowledgeable in general admin of linux

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anxt:

it is weird if i let the sytem come up and rmmod and modprobe a few times

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anxt:

the via-thine seems to work fine

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anxt:

no pci latency setting in bios

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anxt:

makes me wanna slap it

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Dagmar:

anxt: You really shouldn't have to modprobe it. It's more likely that the device is new enough to not have the pci vendor and product codes associated to that driver module yet, which is actually not a hard thing to patch

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anxt:

ok cool

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Dagmar:

anxt: modules.pcimap gets populated based on information that comes in with the driver module, and that's what udev uses to decide which module to load

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anxt:

that i don't understand

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Dagmar:

eh?

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anxt:

but i can google it and guickly understand

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Dagmar:

Look in /lib/modules/`uname -r` for modules.pcimpa

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Dagmar:

er pcimap

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anxt:

i don't follw what happenens in depmod -aer

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Dagmar:

Basically, it's just a fixed-field database of vendor and product codes that udev matches agains

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anxt:

ok that makes sense

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Dagmar:

It scours /lib/modules/`uname -r` looking for modules and setting up tables and so forth

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anxt:

thank you Agrajag-

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Dagmar:

You don't need the -aer, and the use of -r is recommended against actually

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anxt:

Dagmar:

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anxt:

the r was a typo

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Dagmar:

Ah

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anxt:

i am learning dvorak kbd

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Dagmar:

I'm waiting for neural interfaces.

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kenguru:

i tried to learn svorak (dvorak modification) and it totally mixed up my qwerty system.

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GingerDog:

hello! I'm looking to build a mythtv box this xmas; using an xbox as a front end. 1) Can the backend be a 1ghz duron? 2) Is there a good hardware list anywhere (or shop) in teh UK that ships cards that will work?

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kenguru:

GingerDog, i had 900Mhz tb at backend before and mythxmbc script in xbox

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GingerDog:

kenguru: and it worked fine?

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GingerDog:

(can mythtv and xbmc work alongside each other?)

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kenguru:

well, fine is a wide term.

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GingerDog:

ok... well, did it work? what could have been better about it?

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kenguru:

well it worked, but using it was quite slow.

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GingerDog:

ah; in a 'laggy' sort of way/

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kenguru:

now i have 2800xp+ server and same setup.

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kenguru:

i haven't tested that xmbc script yet, but i think it nothing has changed.

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GingerDog:

well, if it worked, i could at least upgrade $box

[12:30:42]

GingerDog:

i'd rather avoid buying a dedicated blackbox pvr if possible.

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NHIwerx:

anyone here running mythtv on fc6 ?

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NHIwerx:

just wanna know bevore i upgrade fc5 > fc6

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GingerDog:

i tried mythtv once before, but the hardware specs of the nova-t card i bought at the time had just changed, and it was unsupported for 9 months (i think) and during that time (or to start with, I don't know) it stopped working anyway

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NHIwerx:

a simple yes suits me :)

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Rulek1:

NHIwerx: probably, not me though

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GingerDog:

kenguru: what card did you use with the 900mhz tb?

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Rulek1:

I have a P2–300 as backend, but I'm crazy

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kenguru:

GingerDog, terratec cinergy 1200 dvb-c low-budget card.

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GingerDog:

so that has hardware encoding?

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Rulek1:

DVB is just saving the mpegf

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Rulek1:

sortof :P

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GingerDog:

ah; good point

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Dagmar:

Those frame rates would be utterly unacceptable if it didn't have hardware encoding. :)

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Rulek1:

what framerates ? I thought we were talking about the backend

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Dagmar:

Remember, turning the video into compressed video is in the backends sphere of activity.

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Rulek1:

yeah for those I have an ad-hoc backend

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Dagmar:

If you tried to do software encoding on that, it might actually not explode, but whatever frontend you were using would be getting a stream with so many dropped frames it might as well be a fast slideshow.

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GingerDog:

ok; but i'm only interested in digital tv (dvb)

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Dagmar:

This is why you can practically get away with murder when an add-on PCI card is doing the video compression for you

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Rulek1:

converting shouldn't matter anyway, jsut take longer.. and analog tv is in the past now :p

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Dagmar:

...or at least simply providing compressed data, so you don't have to try framegrabbing

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rogue780:

grrr......I bought a via m1000eg itx board for a frontend, and didn't realize it took ddr2....grrrr

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juski:

silly billy

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juski:

!trout silly_billy do-your-research-properly

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rogue780:

yeah yeah yeah...at least I didn't BUY any DDR ram to begin with...I was just taking a stick out of my windows box to use until I bought some more. but last night I had to buy some DDR2. at least I didn't waste money.

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GingerDog:

i assume a hauppage nova-t card bought today would work ok? (i.e. there haven't been any recent chipset changes?)

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Cougar:

you can tray and tell us too

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GingerDog:

very well.

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Devn:

How do I get fading menus?

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GreyFoxx:

Go to the settings, Appearance and set the Painter to OpenGL

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GreyFoxx:

I believe you have to restart the frontend for it to take effect

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janneg:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

Man this is so weird. It's almost as if buttonList and buttonRows are getting null'd before being cleared in ReloadTheme which is causing it to segfault

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Devn:

Ok, now I got the menu screens fading into each other, but how about the square you select with?

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GreyFoxx:

What do you mean ?

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mattsnicebot:

I've got a problem where program guide data seems to be skewed by one channel. Shows that are on channel 9 for example show in the guide as being on channel 10...

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mattsnicebot:

anyone know a way to solve this?

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Devn:

GreyFoxx, the green box I move around in my theme, it doesn't fade in and out between menu entries.

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Dagmar:

It's not gonna, either.

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GreyFoxx:

the selection bar doesn't fade "_

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Devn:

oh, I though I saw that on a mythbox some time ago... must have been dreaming then. XD

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Devn:

thanks the help

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Devn:

*for

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seth|laptop:

mattsnicebot: is it just one channel or all?

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mattsnicebot:

I think it's most

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mattsnicebot:

let me confirm

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seth|laptop:

well I had an issue with pbs hd, 33–1 showed the programs for 33–3 and vice versa, all I did was switch the xmltvid's around in mythweb, and that resolved the issue, but to do that with all, would be quite time consuming

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mattsnicebot:

it's not all the channels... mythbusters shows correctly on chan 2, discovery

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mattsnicebot:

seth|laptop: so you just went to your setup --> mythtv channel info in mythweb and reversed the xmltvid for the channels that were mixed up?

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seth|laptop:

well I used mythweb, way easier than that, but you could also use webmin or phpmyadmin

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seth|laptop:

but mythweb is by far the easiest

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mattsnicebot:

I agree

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mattsnicebot:

and undoing it should be as simple as changing the values back if the results are bad, right?

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seth|laptop:

right, I just cut and pasted

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mattsnicebot:

did you have to /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend to get the schedule info right?

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mattsnicebot:

very interesting... what a pain :(

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seth|laptop:

well I run a custom cron, it runs mythfilldatabse every night at 3:15 am and then right afterwards it runs a getppv.pl script to update my Dish Network PPV channels

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mattsnicebot:

I tried switching the two channel IDs and it didn't appear to work, even after the cron.daily thing.

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seth|laptop:

well you would need to run mythfilldatabase

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mattsnicebot:

I reversed channels 9 and 10. Channel 8 was also broken and showing as channel 9, but I didn't try fixing it yet. However, I noticed that two upcoming recordings of the same series (numb3rs) which should be on 8 cbs one is correct, the other is wrong. :(

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seth|laptop:

then refresh your mythweb, and the channels should be changed

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mattsnicebot:

Let me try mythfilldatabase

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dverzolla:

HI All. I Need to record a ininterrupt video. This is a hard work, then I split my record in 1h. The problem is: my recordings have a lost piece between the hours. Has some option where I can solve this?

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juski:

Devn: sounds to me like the theme you're using is out of date – i.e. if you're using the gl painter & can't see parts of the menus then it's likely the base.xml file is missing from the theme you're using

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SynrG:

in case anyone else has tried to do this and ran into the same problem i did:

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SynrG:

http://syn.theti.ca/articles/2006/11/05/mythg . . . -linux-games

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juski:

why not put that into the _official_ wiki if it's not already there?

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juski:

I'm positive half the issues folks see could be solved if only all the relevant info was in the same place

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Devn:

juski, there are no parts I can't see. I just though I could get the selection square to fade.

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juski:

ah no that doesn't happen

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juski:

only between successive screens

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Devn:

juski, was certain I saw it on friends box. Will ask him about it.

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juski:

you didn't

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juski:

it doesn't do that

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Devn:

I'm a daydreamer. ;)

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juski:

the fade slows things down enough IMHO anyway

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Devn:

What would be cool is if the square could move around animated. XD

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Devn:

juski, candy ftw. ;)

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juski:

just wait til the whole of the ui code has been rewritten

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mattsnicebot:

integrated with compiz/beyrl?

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juski:

eyecandy – nice to look at but pretty useless, frustrating & slow unless it's done really fast

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Devn:

shame the recording sections etc are like older with no fading..

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muxx:

hello everyone

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juski:

Devn: like I said, just wait til all the gui code has been rewired. lots of nice things will no doubt be possible then

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Devn:

juski, yeah. but do you know about the 'girlfriend factor'? ;)

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juski:

I don't think my wife cares much so long as it works

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Devn:

juski, is that rewrite happening at the moment?

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juski:

which it does

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muxx:

guys, I am migrating to new hardware. currently I have backend and frontend running on the same box, in new setup they'll be on different machines. the question is how do I keep the recorded programmes

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juski:

it's ongoing, and has been for a good while now. it's no minor job

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juski:

muxx: the recordings will still live on the backend

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muxx:

I read the documentation and dumped/grepped

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juski:

you only need to tweak some settings – you don't need to move any files

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muxx:

I want to create a new database. because I will have more capture cards and need a channel rescan

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juski:

you won't need to make a new database

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Devn:

juski, I'm sure it's not.

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muxx:

hmmm... looking at the programmes dump, I see a hostname there. it will change

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BULLE:

juski: are you involved in teh new gui code ?

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mtnbkr:

Good day everyone. Does anyone use the hauppauge pvr-500 dual-tuner card? It seems that tuner 1's video is not synced (fuzzy, shifted,and partly scrolling) while tuner #2's output is clear. Any chance there is a setting I missed before I return it as defective?

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juski:

muxx: see the section of the official docs (or maybe the wiki I can't remember) about changing the hostname of the backend

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Devn:

What bug the the most about mythtv: why isn't the a conf file to edit like all other services? I hate treaking settings on my TV.

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muxx:

aaah. sorry, I must have missed

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juski:

muxx: you could make the backend hostname the same as the old one & just rename the frontend instead

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muxx:

juski> hmmm, no, thanks 8)

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juski:

BULLE: no I'm not involved in it

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juski:

muxx: changing the hostname is easy

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Devn:

bug the = bugs me, should be clear, no? ;)

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riddlebox:

hrmm mysql all of a sudden doesnt start

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BULLE:

juski: i was just curious on design decisions, if it still will use QT etc, and how customisable it will be

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juski:

Devn: you can't tweak a text file with a remote control

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muxx:

juski> I know. currently it is set to "xbox". there won't be an xbox with a backend anymore

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BULLE:

juski: to me, the main problem isnt the looks, its the config part of the gui, there are shitloads of options, in a semi random organisation =P

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riddlebox:

mtnbkr, I have that card and it works perfect

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juski:

BULLE: it'll still depend on Qt. jees. how big a job would you want it to be?

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BULLE:

juski: <------ this big -------->

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mattsnicebot:

thanks for the help folks, ttyl (count on it)

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Devn:

juski, no, but both could be available..

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juski:

now please, no more whining about qt or mysql. mythtv is open source so if you don't like it – you take the code & _you_ do it

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BULLE:

i was merely thinking they might have opted for some other toolkit

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BULLE:

juski: im a big fan of QT

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BULLE:

juski: not so much a big fan of mysql though, but i tend to STFU about that =P

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juski:

if it ain't broke, BULLE...

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mtnbkr:

riddlebox: dang, I think I got a defective card then since tuner #2 looks fine. Wonder how "linux friendly" Hauppauge's support is...

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BULLE:

well, imho, mysql is broken =P

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juski:

what happened to STFU about it then?

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BULLE:

juski: "tend" doesnt mean i always stfu about it

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juski:

it's not the users' perogative to complain which methods are used in the project IMHO

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mtnbkr:

riddlebox: both tuners worked "out of the box" for you right? Nothing to modify...

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Devn:

juski, you sure are right. But mythtv is organized kinda weirdly bc of the remote thing etc. It takes time to appreciate it. ;)

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BULLE:

juski: i thought there were some work on trying to make mythtv more database agnostic

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juski:

if you want to have a say – get involved in a more pro-active way – wnd of story

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juski:

s/wnd/end

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riddlebox:

mtnbkr, yup

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muxx:

juski> found it, great. does it make any difference whether I put one capture card first and upgrade with time, or put two before setting everything up ?

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mtnbkr:

arg

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mtnbkr:

Ok thanks...

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Devn:

I am considering helping with the language translations. There are errors in the danish version. Is that theme-related?

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juski:

muxx: doesn't particularly matter from mythtv's point of view but you'll need to ensure the cards always appear at the right device node, or things will get messy – especially if you mix tuner types

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juski:

Devn: nope. it's translation related

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mtnbkr:

riddlebox: one other question... how about sound? seems I am unable to get any sound from either tuner.. any debugging help on that?

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Devn:

juski, each theme could have their own translations... ;)

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Devn:

maybe..

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juski:

Devn: no, that's not the way it works IIRC

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muxx:

juski> I see... I will read up on this. I want this migration to go as smooth as possible. I always have many programmes in the queue to be recorded

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riddlebox:

mtnbkr, what distro? are you using gnome?

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dverzolla:

HI All. I Need to record 24h of my channel. This is a hard work, then I split my record in 1h. The problem is: my recordings have lost pieces between the hours. Have some option where I can solve this?

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mtnbkr:

riddlebox: kde on gentoo with alsa

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riddlebox:

dont know sorry, I use ubuntu and it works perfectly for me, what version of ivtv drivers are you using?

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juski:

dverzolla: told you that would happen

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Devn:

mythtv is beginning to be so good they could charge money for it.

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Devn:

except for mythmusic XD

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juski:

dverzolla: if they were mpeg2 files you could probably get away with catenating the file together then splitting them into shows later

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mtnbkr:

ivtv version 0.8.1 linux kernel v 2.6.18

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seth|laptop:

ok so who is currently running svn fixes, by currently I mean in the kast 48hrs?

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juski:

Devn: charging money for it would be a bad, bad thing – plus it's not what open source is all about

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juski:

and judging by the PVR softwrae you have to pay for, mythtv would have to cost more than double what BeyondTV charge :-P

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muxx:

guys, what's the maximim number of capture cards reported to work with mythtv ?

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juski:

muxx: there's no upper limit in theory

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Devn:

juski, it was merely a quality appreciation.

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juski:

nobody has really ever tested a _lot_ of tuners

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juski:

you're more bound by the limits of your networks & the machines that make up the system

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muxx:

ok, how many do you know people used then

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muxx:

I am talking about DVB capture

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Dagmar:

Sounds like you're talking about setting up some kind of fee-sharing service to me

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juski:

the most I've heard of is 10 tuners in one system

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Dagmar:

...which sounds quite a bit like cable piracy.

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muxx:

%) hi Dagmar

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Dagmar:

Cuz I can't really see a reason why someone would be concerned about the upper limit without having a specific number in mind

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muxx:

somehow I am not surprised by your comment

[16:42:31]

muxx:

I am thinking of 4, 5 tops

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Dagmar:

Probably has something to do with having the FBI on my doorstep too many times

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Dagmar:

Okay, that's a more reasonable figure.

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juski:

dverzolla: and we already told you that getting another tuner card would solve your problem. if you're gonna keep asking the same question over & over that's just an invitation to be ignored

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muxx:

hopefully I am out of reach of FBI. the pond keeps me safe 8)

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Dagmar:

Your enemy is just going to be disk bandwidth, the PCI bus itself *should* be able to keep up with that many tuners

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dverzolla:

juski: The problem is: My records have lost pieces between the hours... For exemplo: I schedule myth to record between 00:00 and 0:59, after a new schedule between 1:00 and 1:59.

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quicksilver:

dverzolla: and the answer is still GET ANOTHER TUNER CARD

[16:43:42]

** quicksilver tries shouting, maybe that will work **

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Dagmar:

lol

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dverzolla:

juski: between 0:59 and 1:00 I have a lost piece between records. about 1 minute.

[16:44:15]

juski:

I'd be devastated if my recordings suddenly had pieces of 'Lost' in them though

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muxx:

I often face a problem when I need to record two programmes from different multiplexes. taking in account that I could possible have a couple more frontends in my house...

[16:44:35]

juski:

dverzolla: get another tuner card!

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Dagmar:

Here's a real simple answer

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Dagmar:

Don't schedule a fucking empty minute

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** seth|laptop wonders if its safe to buiild svn fixes **

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dverzolla:

Dagmar: :D

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juski:

seth|laptop: I'm about to svn update :)

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Dagmar:

If you're recording FROM 00:00 TO 00:59, and then FROM 01:00 TO 01:59, congratulations you JUST told the tuners NOT to record the 59th minute of the midnight hour

[16:45:43]

Dagmar:

Set the damn thing to record from 00:00 to 01:00

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Dagmar:

...not 00:59.

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dverzolla:

Dagmar: I try this too.

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quicksilver:

you'll still lose a little as it switches, won't you?

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Dagmar:

There is no try, there is only do, and get out of the genepool if you can't.

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BULLE:

quicksilver: yes, but very little

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juski:

yes you will, so GET ANOTHER TUNER

[16:46:16]

quicksilver:

two tuner cards with a small overlap for safety (1 minute each way?) would seem safer

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muxx:

anyone can give me a rough figure, what the 100mbps network's utilisation will be when recording two (three) dvb streams ?

[16:46:28]

quicksilver:

muxx: DVB SD?

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Dagmar:

quicksilver: Much better than scheduling an underlap and complaining about it

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muxx:

yep, sorry

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juski:

muxx: very little

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BULLE:

muxx: totaly depends on the bitrate and type of dvb stream

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quicksilver:

muxx: not a lot at all, typically

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juski:

muxx: zero if it's all recording on the same machine :)

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muxx:

yeah, I understand. that's why I am sking about rough numbers

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quicksilver:

UK DVB-T comes in at very rougly 1G/hour, which is nothing in network terms at all

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muxx:

no, I mean NFS

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muxx:

otherwise it doesn't make sense

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seth|laptop:

ack my US DVB is like 7.1GB an hour

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muxx:

I have a FS, a backend and a frontend, all on different boxes

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Dagmar:

seth|laptop: You're getting a much more quality stream than those limeys then

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juski:

typical streams are a max of maybe 2.5mbit

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quicksilver:

I expect juski will correct me if I'm way out

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quicksilver:

but I think it's around 1.5G/hour

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dverzolla:

juski: If I use ffmpeg they encode my videos with a little loose. The problem is: I Need to use mythtv.

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juski:

dverzolla: so GET ANOTHER TUNER CARD

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dverzolla:

juski: ffmpeg give-me 5 seconds.

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muxx:

yeah, ~1.5G/hour in my case

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dverzolla:

juski: :D

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quicksilver:

muxx: well 1.5G/hour is 400KB/sec, which is not a lot for a 100m network

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Dagmar:

muxx: If you have fast ethernet, four streams of video isn't going to phase it

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juski:

muxx: just don't use wireless & you'll be fine

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Dagmar:

"fast ethernet", the technical term. Not as in ricer fast.

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muxx:

x4 streams, plus the same network could be used to watch other programmes at the same time

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juski:

muxx: yes

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muxx:

yeah, wireless is no good

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quicksilver:

100m could support 10 streams at once (e.g. 5 writing, 5 watching)

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quicksilver:

and still have space to breath

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quicksilver:

so you're ok

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juski:

hmm let's do some simple maths. 100 mbits divided by 1.5 = ?

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juski:

plenty

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quicksilver:

Dagmar: although, as a ricer, you could paint your ethernet cables red and get gold sockets

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muxx:

yeah

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quicksilver:

Dagmar: that does increase bandwidth by 80% or so

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Dagmar:

quicksilver: Yep

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juski:

btw all this assumes you're not using cables that are shot to hell

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quicksilver:

if you have a smart router (switch)

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Dagmar:

...and that you pinned them right, and that you're not running them down a long hallway and draping them over fluourscent lights to boot

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quicksilver:

then you can actually do more than that with a cunning configuration

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Dagmar:

Generally tho if you want to know whether or not a cable is made right, just take some christmas lights and run them right alongside it

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juski:

and as with everything else, nobody here will give you a 100% money back, legally bound guarantee that it'll work ;)

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Dagmar:

15 feet of christmas lights will drop 10base-T to a crawl and completely kill 100base-T.

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quicksilver:

interesting

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Dagmar:

...unless they're pinned correctly.

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juski:

swap a pair over & oh dear

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muxx:

I did test transfers. ~8MB/sec. but obviously the more machines are transmitting...

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quicksilver:

why christmas lights particularly?

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Dagmar:

quicksilver: You think that's fun. One of those plasma ball thingies they sell at novelty shops will stop an entire RACK of switches cold.

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quicksilver:

:)

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quicksilver:

awesome

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quicksilver:

I'll take some with me to the data centre next time

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Dagmar:

One my pals opened an ISP in Murfreesboro and they had Hyperion colocated with them in their office. They put one of those in the rack and turned it on for show, and then every alarm in the room started beeping

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Dagmar:

"Whoops"

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juski:

depending on the radiated field strength, you can induce enough current to flow in the network cable & saturate the isolation transformer in the network gear

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Dagmar:

They generate LOTS of EMF

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Dagmar:

Well, that's kinda what happens when you put the thing right on top of a superstack

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juski:

basic electromagnetism :)

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Dagmar:

And very amusing, too

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juski:

though if you're rich enough to buy class 'A' EMC rated kit it won't be as much of a worry

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juski:

I imagine that in cat6 installations good earth bonding becomes even more important too

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juski:

no point using shielded cable if one end of the shield is left floating ;)

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juski:

pfft. not many squeezeboxen on ebay :(

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juski:

certainly no bargains

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euphobot:

fill database failed today again

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euphobot:

this is using zap2it in los angeles

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euphobot:

this is now serious

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seth|laptop:

failed? howso

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Dagmar:

oh noes

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fryfrog:

shirly you can't be serious!

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fryfrog:

i am serious... and dont' call me shirly

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Dagmar:

listings a day old! nev4r!

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euphobot:

seth, mythfill does not import program data into mysql

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seth|laptop:

for all channels or just HD.....

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euphobot:

good point

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seth|laptop:

there is a fix out there for the HD thing. I had to do it as well

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euphobot:

it gets data for channels that have not been edited

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euphobot:

when sub channel is added i.e. 34.1 and 34.2 it does not get data. However if it is 26 then data is acquired

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euphobot:

theses are all HD channels

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seth|laptop:

well, here is what I did. went to labs.zap2it.com, deleted the HD stuff, recreated it, and then ran mythfilldatabse --refresh-all

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seth|laptop:

sorry in between the receate and run I did a channel scan on the hd cards

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seth|laptop:

so recreate zap2it stuff, run channel scan, then run mythfilldatabse --refresh-all

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Kamil:

nick kamilcz

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Kamil is now known as kamilcz

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kamilcz:

hey guys.... i got a small problem

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kamilcz:

the sound in my movies is delayed from the movie it self

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seth|laptop:

euphobot: that fixed it for me

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kamilcz:

im using mplayer

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kamilcz:

but it is also delayed in gnome

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euphobot:

I did that last week. (almost 2 weeks ago) and now it is back to not filling

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euphobot:

the refresh all junks the channel numbers

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seth|laptop:

well I have alsoseen people run it with --do-channel-update

[17:29:43]

euphobot:

without sub channels myth cannot tune to anything but the first sub channel

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seth|laptop:

but I did not have to do that

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seth|laptop:

question, do you have mythweb?

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euphobot:

yup

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seth|laptop:

are there any missing xmltvid's

[17:30:19]

euphobot:

no

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seth|laptop:

when looking at the channel setup

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seth|laptop:

well I had 4

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seth|laptop:

but I just entered them manually, and everything was ahppy

[17:31:13]

seth|laptop:

but my filll runs every morning at 3:25

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seth|laptop:

er 3:15, and it has worked well since the fix

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euphobot:

all the xmltv numbers are there

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seth|laptop:

are they right?

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euphobot:

how would i check? on the refresh correct data was there

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seth|laptop:

you can check them at www.zap2it.com, enter your zip, and then go to TV listings button, hover mouse over the station callsign, in the left, and check what you have versus, what shows up there after "stnNUM" in the link

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seth|laptop:

use firefox and 2 tabs, one for mythweb, and one for zap2it.com, I had 10 that were incorrect

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euphobot:

check 2 that were correct xmltvid and can see in ../tv/list that they have no data

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euphobot:

also looks like editing channel to add sub-channel has no effect

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seth|laptop:

hrm

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seth|laptop:

well it was a thought, it fixed it for me, but there are other more drastic measures out there, that have to do with deleting and recreating capture devices, and the lot.

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euphobot:

how long ago did you run --refresh-all?

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seth|laptop:

I was fortunate I guess

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seth|laptop:

2 days now

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seth|laptop:

no it was monday, 3 days

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euphobot:

you might be heading for the same problem when you data runs out

[17:48:57]

JoeyJoeJo:

I was just curious, I looked at my stats in mythweb and I just passed the 58 day mark of recordings.. anyone else this high or higher?

[17:49:10]

kormoc:

JoeyJoeJo, I'm much higher :P

[17:49:23]

seth|laptop:

well i run mythfill every morning, just without the switch

[17:49:27]

JoeyJoeJo:

good, I just didn't want to be the only one

[17:49:32]

kormoc:

JoeyJoeJo, I'm at 6 months :P

[17:49:43]

JoeyJoeJo:

wow, I envy you

[17:50:00]

JoeyJoeJo:

kormoc: aren't you a dev?

[17:50:11]

JoeyJoeJo:

or am I just crazy?

[17:50:21]

kormoc:

not really. I work on mythweb a little, the stats module is my baby, and I screw with some of the JS and what not

[17:50:40]

JoeyJoeJo:

cool.. how long have you been using myth?

[17:50:57]

euphobot:

seth check your backend status. mine says fill ran but added no data

[17:50:59]

seth|laptop:

where is that number at?

[17:51:10]

kormoc:

this install is around 1 and 1/3 years, entirely almost 3 years now

[17:51:12]

seth|laptop:

mine does too, but it always says that

[17:51:23]

kormoc:

seth|laptop, you have mythweb?

[17:51:35]

seth|laptop:

Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2006-11–30 03:21 and ended on 2006-11–30 03:21. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide. This can indicate a potential grabber failure.

[17:51:35]

seth|laptop:

Suggested next mythfilldatabase run: 2006-12–01 14:44.

[17:51:35]

seth|laptop:

There's guide data until 2006-12–13 22:00 (13 days).

[17:51:38]

seth|laptop:

kormoc yes

[17:51:55]

kormoc:

seth|laptop, on the main menu screen, there's a link that says statistics, it's in there

[17:52:04]

euphobot:

mine says that

[17:52:26]

seth|laptop:

ah

[17:52:37]

fryfrog:

Total Time: 42 days 7 hrs 46 mins wasted

[17:52:43]

fryfrog:

is that what you are talking about?

[17:52:46]

kormoc:

aye

[17:52:54]

fryfrog:

is that how much you've *watched*

[17:52:54]

fryfrog:

?

[17:52:57]

fryfrog:

or just recorded?

[17:53:02]

kormoc:

recorded

[17:53:08]

fryfrog:

ah

[17:53:10]

kormoc:

I don't have the watched flags in yet

[17:53:13]

seth|laptop:

ack 15 days 29mins wasted, hehe

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fryfrog:

is that the value of the hours of the shows? or how long you've been running myth?

[17:53:51]

kormoc:

fryfrog, hours of the shows

[17:53:51]

euphobot:

I have 75 days wasted

[17:54:13]

fryfrog:

weird, how could i have recorded 60 shows and have 42 *days*?

[17:54:29]

fryfrog:

oh, or maybe "number of shows" is how many are currently available?

[17:54:34]

fryfrog:

oh

[17:54:37]

fryfrog:

nm, i'm tarded

[17:54:39]

seth|laptop:

mine says 49 shows and I only have 15 days

[17:54:41]

kormoc:

fryfrog, hehe

[17:54:42]

fryfrog:

"episodes" and "shows"

[17:54:47]

kormoc:

aye

[17:54:50]

fryfrog:

shows is the series :)

[17:54:54]

** kormoc nods **

[17:55:02]

fryfrog:

ahahha

[17:55:06]

kormoc:

388 shows, 6681 episodes here :P

[17:55:07]

seth|laptop:

hehe, top recorded show Seinfeld 82

[17:55:10]

fryfrog:

i record a fuck ton of scrubs that i *don't* watch :)

[17:55:23]

fryfrog:

scrubs *201*!~!!

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seth|laptop:

fryfrog: sure you don't

[17:55:31]

kormoc:

432 simpsons :)

[17:55:35]

fryfrog:

dang!

[17:55:44]

fryfrog:

i wonder what some of the shows i'd like but am missing are :/

[17:56:02]

GreyFoxx:

Titles: 764

[17:56:02]

GreyFoxx:

Shows: 5963

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fryfrog:

nah, i've seen a lot of the scrubs episodes. and i only watch them when there is nothing else (l&o, lost, heroes, etc)

[17:56:06]

GreyFoxx:

Total: 5502.2 hours (229.258333333333 days) wasted

[17:56:09]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[17:56:35]

fryfrog:

Any good shows like heroes, bsg, etc that i might be missing?

[17:56:50]

kormoc:

GreyFoxx, heh, some of the patches I gave xris make that total number into years/months/days/hours/minutes, much nicer stats for those of us with... large numbers :P

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seth|laptop:

hehe, I have 4 episodes of knightrider recorded, geese

[17:56:54]

fryfrog:

ahahah

[17:57:14]

JoeyJoeJo:

would it be possible to make something in mythweb that would show you the episodes in a series that you haven't recorded?

[17:57:27]

fryfrog:

JoeyJoeJo: er, how would you get that data?

[17:57:33]

kormoc:

fryfrog, doctor who, eurika

[17:57:37]

JoeyJoeJo:

thats what I was thinking

[17:57:38]

fryfrog:

JoeyJoeJo: and it *sort* of is the "upcoming recordings" area

[17:57:54]

fryfrog:

i record eurika, watched a bunch on dvd or something i think

[17:58:11]

fryfrog:

i *started* recording dr. who, but then i thought it was a series show and i was coming into it in the middle so i stopped

[17:58:20]

fryfrog:

then i learned it was a very non-liniar show, like L&O

[17:58:29]

GreyFoxx:

kormoc: Mine is just an ugly little perl script I did last year just to see how much time, way too much :)

[17:58:47]

kormoc:

frame, eurika is entily new, it's not on dvd's yet

[17:58:58]

GreyFoxx:

though admittedly a lot of that is daily reecordings(and expirings) of my daughters cartoons :)

[17:58:58]

kormoc:

GreyFoxx, heh, aye, I basd mine off of your's a bit. it's nifty :)

[17:59:06]

fryfrog:

oh, i must have torrented the first 8 or so eps then

[17:59:08]

GreyFoxx:

ahh

[17:59:15]

seth|laptop:

hey, question. My wife just called me, she went to the grocery store, and left the tv running, she came back to the mythwelcome screen. Is this normal, did myth just do that to save disk space, as it was idol for more than 2 hours?

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fryfrog:

do you have it setup to auto restart if it crashes?

[17:59:49]

seth|laptop:

no

[17:59:50]

fryfrog:

ie, a cron job checking for process?

[17:59:57]

GreyFoxx:

seth|laptop: Likely not, probably gota restarted or something

[18:00:10]

fryfrog:

could a *scheduled* recording have kicked it out to the welcome screen?

[18:00:17]

kormoc:

not usually

[18:00:20]

fryfrog:

ie, she was using input 1 and backend wanted to use input 1?

[18:00:25]

euphobot:

just did a mythfilldatabase --refresh-all with no effect

[18:00:37]

seth|laptop:

no, nothing scheduled until later this evening

[18:00:37]

kormoc:

in live tv mode, it would put up a menu with 'watch recording show' auto selected

[18:00:52]

fryfrog:

kormoc: yeah, but how long would that stay?

[18:00:54]

seth|laptop:

it may have crashed, I do have a backend restart script running.

[18:01:01]

seth|laptop:

I'll have to check the log tongiht

[18:01:10]

kormoc:

fryfrog, it stays for around 15 seconds and autoselects to watch the recording

[18:01:21]

fryfrog:

ah

[18:01:44]

fryfrog:

then, if it had *watched* the recording... when it was done, you'd end up... in the recordings screen maybe?

[18:01:52]

fryfrog:

or at the main page, since you came from "watch tv"?

[18:01:57]

kormoc:

nope, it'd just continue on

[18:02:02]

seth|laptop:

the dish card is in my slave, perhaps the network connection glitched or something

[18:02:03]

fryfrog:

oh

[18:02:05]

kormoc:

live tv is sorta designed to always play content

[18:02:08]

fryfrog:

speaking of continuing...

[18:02:11]

seth|laptop:

she was watching the dish

[18:02:27]

fryfrog:

kormoc: right, but didn't it want to pop up something to switch to the show it'll record?

[18:02:41]

fryfrog:

also... did they add something to deal with overlapping times on shows on the same channel?

[18:02:58]

kormoc:

fryfrog, right, and it autoswitches to the show

[18:03:00]

fryfrog:

ie, you record scrubs then daily show on com central, but you have 2 min pre and 5 min post setup

[18:03:15]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: I don't think so

[18:03:24]

GreyFoxx:

I saw patches in tickets and users talking about it

[18:03:27]

fryfrog:

in current, does it actually ... give you the pre/post by copying one from the other?

[18:03:32]

fryfrog:

i *swear* i saw that the other day

[18:03:33]

GreyFoxx:

but I don't beleive any code went in

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[18:03:53]

GreyFoxx:

it might ignore the overlap and record at proper times

[18:03:55]

fryfrog:

i was watching a cartoon, and the next one started... so i watched about 5 min of it (expecting the next recording *of the actual show* to be a bit shy)

[18:04:02]

GreyFoxx:

but I don't remember seen that commited either

[18:04:04]

fryfrog:

but... it actually had the pre bit

[18:04:16]

seth|laptop:

i recorded the heros marathon yesterday on scifi, and it got them all, just the annoying dish channel info banner at the top of every hour, and I scheduled them individually

[18:04:31]

fryfrog:

might also have been pulling from 2 recorders, not sure how much conflict there was at that time

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kormoc:

fryfrog, All I do is use the 'optional' pre and post, so if it's on the same channel, one of them gets it

[18:11:34]

seth|laptop:

wow, going back to the leaving things in livetv mode issue, if I were to forget to go out to the mythwelcome screen, and leave an hd channel on all day, at 7.1GB an hour, that could be devistating, that must be the reason for the "autoexpire" settings

[18:11:56]

kormoc:

indeed

[18:12:17]

fryfrog:

*optional* pre and post?

[18:12:21]

fryfrog:

i never saw that :/

[18:12:36]

kormoc:

there's two settings, one of which is 'optional' and one which is required

[18:12:41]

fryfrog:

ahh, neat

[18:12:52]

fryfrog:

so "optional" will do it when it doesn't cause a conflict?

[18:13:05]

kormoc:

aye

[18:13:10]

fryfrog:

or is optional the one for sports shows ?

[18:13:21]

fryfrog:

er, the "extension" for certain catagories

[18:13:22]

kormoc:

hrm?

[18:13:25]

kormoc:

nah

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fryfrog:

ah, okay 2 diff things

[18:13:32]

kormoc:

it's just done when there's no conflict

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GreyFoxx:

seth|laptop: Yes :)

[18:13:47]

GreyFoxx:

And liveTV is always at the top of the expire list :)

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seth|laptop:

thank goodness someone thought about that :-)

[18:15:07]

fryfrog:

man, i'm starting to really like that new multi-storage idea :/

[18:15:23]

fryfrog:

if i ever setup a *massive* myth backend, i think i'll have to use it :)

[18:15:56]

euphobot:

mythfilldatabase --refresh-all just plain doesn't work

[18:16:09]

riddlebox:

can someone help me figure out why mysql will not start on my machine anymore?

[18:16:18]

riddlebox:

http://pastebin.ca/262501

[18:17:01]

euphobot:

riddlebox: could be a pib stuck

[18:17:15]

euphobot:

can you stop mysql?

[18:17:21]

riddlebox:

I rebooted twice and it still doesnt start

[18:17:39]

riddlebox:

euphobot, it says it stops, but I get an error when I start

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riddlebox:

euphobot, it appears that something is passing illegal arguments to mysqld, --O5B but I am unsure how to find out what is doing it

[18:37:54]

euphobot:

yup

[18:38:36]

euphobot:

which distro

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riddlebox:

ubuntu

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euphobot:

is there a /etc/init.d

[18:39:56]

riddlebox:

yeah

[18:40:18]

euphobot:

try service mysqld stop

[18:40:42]

riddlebox:

it is /etc/init.d/mysql stop, which it is stopped

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euphobot:

now mysql start

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riddlebox:

it errors out

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euphobot:

check log

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euphobot:

on O5B?

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riddlebox:

I have checked syslog, that is the error I get

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euphobot:

vi /etc/init.d/mysql

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euphobot:

and look for that option

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riddlebox:

http://pastebin.ca/262501

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fryfrog:

wtf, my ip just got blocked by craigslist??

[18:44:33]

fryfrog:

oh, maybe i just got on a banned tor

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stuarta:

evening all

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euphobot:

riddlebox: ps -A| grep mysql

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juski:

evening stuarta

[18:47:15]

stuarta:

my brain still hurts.

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riddlebox:

euphobot, nothing

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euphobot:

ugh

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euphobot:

paste /etc/init.d/mysql

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euphobot:

what version of mysql?

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riddlebox:

pastebin.ca/262606

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riddlebox:

5.0.22

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riddlebox:

brb

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juski:

time to build the ploogins :)

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juski:

or not

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juski:

damn missing deps

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riddlebox:

ok back

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noddan:

anyone here using a mac mini as frontend?

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euphobot:

noddan: i have plans

[19:04:39]

riddlebox:

euphobot, i am here again

[19:04:45]

noddan:

okay, me too

[19:05:05]

noddan:

my girlfriend is moving in with me in a week and she is bringing her old G4 mac mini.

[19:05:19]

noddan:

it would be perfect in front of the TV

[19:05:25]

euphobot:

i am waiting for new mini with better graphics card

[19:05:26]

juski:

the start of a grand slippery slope

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euphobot:

supposedly that is soon

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|Torg|:

juski the cynic :)

[19:05:56]

juski:

first mac...

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noddan:

I'm also thinking about getting a intel mac mini when they get core 2 and using that instead. I don't know how well it works though

[19:06:12]

noddan:

really? why would you need that?

[19:06:57]

juski:

anyone seen the reviews of the new shuttle barebones 'mac mini wannabe'? it's ludicrously expensive for what you get

[19:07:01]

|Torg|:

since it has an x86 processor, why not put linux on it?

[19:07:01]

euphobot:

anything to off load processing. reports now say m;yth is 80% cpu on mini

[19:07:13]

juski:

and folks say mac minis are expensive. heh

[19:07:28]

|Torg|:

expensive is a matter of oppionion

[19:07:38]

juski:

so is 'you get what you pay for' ;)

[19:07:50]

noddan:

I'll probably put linux on the mac mini, at least if I buy a new intel one

[19:07:59]

juski:

hey look you can have a fugly beige box for $100

[19:08:16]

noddan:

euphobot: the 1.8GHz core duo eats 80%? under what load? HTDV 720p?

[19:08:34]

fryfrog:

I'm having some major cpu usage problems I don't think I should be :(

[19:08:50]

juski:

I'm gonna need a better frontend soon. my epia can barely keep up with stdv recently

[19:08:56]

fryfrog:

Myth is using like 120% cpu on a dual xeon 2.4ghz that *used* to play HD at like, *maybe* 60–70%

[19:09:13]

seth|laptop:

I actually scaled back to "Standard" and "One Field" last night, and everything was playing finne for my HD frontend

[19:09:33]

|Torg|:

mine runs at about 50% on one core and 40% for X on ther other in a dual core P4 3Ghz

[19:09:51]

fryfrog:

i switched to "libmpeg2" w/o any de-interlace and it at *least* stopped skipping :/

[19:09:55]

seth|laptop:

|Torg|: that is just 2 sweet, I need a dual core cpu

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fryfrog:

what has changed though? I used to do HD just fine :/

[19:10:14]

euphobot:

don;t rember exactly. thought it was 1080i

[19:10:23]

fryfrog:

now, my 3200+ amd64 skips no matter what :(

[19:10:25]

|Torg|:

my amd single core 1.3Ghz had to be demoted (or maybe its promoted) to the BE server

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seth|laptop:

fryfrog: thats exactly what O I have

[19:10:47]

seth|laptop:

less the O

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noddan:

I thought that a 1.8GHz core duo would suffice for watching 720p without any problems whatsoever.

[19:11:12]

|Torg|:

I dont know of anyone bcasting in 1080p so its probbly 1080i

[19:12:00]

|Torg|:

the dual core P4s are dropping in price, if you have HD id really look at getting one

[19:12:18]

juski:

that's mpeg2 HDTV

[19:12:21]

seth|laptop:

but. but. I've never owned an intel chip

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juski:

if you want h.264, you need much much more

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juski:

in linux you do at any rate

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|Torg|:

juski more then a dual core 3ghz?

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fryfrog:

when i was on gentoo, initially HD playback was *fine* and used 50–70% cpu, then near the end when i switched to ubuntu they had started to use more cpu :/

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fryfrog:

guess i need to try xine or mplayer on an HD file and find out if its the *system* or myth

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|Torg|:

its probly juskis HD theme :P

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noddan:

I would be suprised if myth ate 50% cpu

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fryfrog:

i *would* have been, but...

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fryfrog:

*something* had to have changed

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noddan:

well, give it a try then.

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noddan:

I'd like to know what's wrong anyway =)

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fryfrog:

i will!

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|Torg|:

noddan first off 25% of my BE is the same as 100% of my BE, so using percentages out of context cna be very misleading

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|Torg|:

err 35% of me FE

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noddan:

argh. I'm toying around with mytthtv on an old 1333MHz t-bird. both backend and frontend. It's slooo-ooooo-ooo-w

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fryfrog:

damnit, is there an "ubuntu" method for using perl / cpan?

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|Torg|:

also percetages of CPU wihtout conext of memory or IO is also misleading

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Saviq:

fryfrog: mostly perl-something packages

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Saviq:

AFAIK

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Saviq:

and apart from that – cpan works as always

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fryfrog:

Can't locate MythTV.pm in @INC

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riddlebox:

these days I am getting more and more frustrated with ubuntu

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fryfrog:

i didn't realize there was a mythtv cpan module

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Saviq:

fryfrog: I don't believe ther is...

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fryfrog:

oh :/

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Saviq:

but ubuntu and mythtv works fine with

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Saviq:

deb http://hamsta.net/mythtv/files/dapper ./

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Saviq:

in sources.list

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|Torg|:

13:20:53 CPU %user %nice %system %iowait %irq %soft %idle intr/s

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|Torg|:

13:20:58 0 40.12 0.00 1.00 0.00 1.60 2.00 55.29 2504.39

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|Torg|:

13:20:58 1 44.91 0.00 0.60 0.00 0.00 0.00 54.49 0.00

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|Torg|:

thats typicla of my FE playing 1080i

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fryfrog:

ls

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fryfrog:

gah

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|Torg|:

ps :p

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riddlebox:

Saviq, yeah I know, but mysql all of a sudden has decided that something is passing it an illegal option

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riddlebox:

just happened today

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|Torg|:

btw seth thats heros and I dont know why but whenever I play back a heros eppisode it seems to use more resources then my other recordings on the same channel

[19:24:50]

Fnc:

im trying to get lirc installed on my box, but aparently i dont have the kernel source, running fc5, anyone know who to go about getting the kernel source installed?

[19:25:01]

|Torg|:

yum

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Fnc:

torg, my kernel version doesnt seem to be in there?

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euphobot:

riddlebox: could this be a corrupted file? how is /etc/my.cnf

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|Torg|:

then update teh kernel too

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fryfrog:

great, of course when i finally look into it "68 28.0 188:58.69 mythfrontend" :p

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Fnc:

i downloaded a src.rpm, and rpm'd it, and its in usr/src/redhat/SOURCES... but lirc doesnt seem to like it

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Fnc:

|Torg| just to check... what all should i need to install

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riddlebox:

euphobot, /etc/my.cnf is fine

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|Torg|:

yum install kernel; yum install kernel-source

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|Torg|:

you should jsut be able to install yum install lircd

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euphobot:

well there is no option --O5

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euphobot:

B

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|Torg|:

fryfrog what cpu do you have?

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|Torg|:

fnc try "yum install kernel-source-`uname -r`"

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crweb:

xris: it seems all my display problems where because my lcd was running in 1280x9* instead of 1280x1024...

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crweb:

crystal clear image now

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xris:

crweb: ahh, yeah, that could do it

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seth|laptop:

|Torg|: yes heros, actually broadcasts in DTS, I am not sure if that makes a difference or not

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seth|laptop:

perhaps myth handles 5.1 different than DTS

[19:40:27]

seth|laptop:

and the only reason I know its DTS is my a/v reciever switches from DolbyDigital to DTS

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|Torg|:

ill go check I dont seem to remember it being DTS

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Saviq:

seth|laptop: no, the receiver switches 'cause the signal is different

[19:43:04]

seth|laptop:

ah

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seth|laptop:

well maybe not DTS then

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Saviq:

the player just needs to feed the binary data into the SPDIF iface

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juski:

myth can pass ac3 or dts thru to spdif, and you choose which does get passed through

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juski:

either or both, or none ;)

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seth|laptop:

I have both options checked

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Saviq:

depending on what Your receiver can play

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juski:

maybe you have the wrong device selected

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|Torg|:

nope mines DD/AC3

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fryfrog:

i need a reciever and speakers :(

[19:44:59]

fryfrog:

the ones built into the tv are just no fun!

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Saviq:

sure they aren't

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|Torg|:

I pass both to the deocder

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juski:

I know with mine, when I select the internal player & use passthru all I get is a loud whistle. so I need to try different devices

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Saviq:

fryfrog: yamaha's the choice ;]

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seth|laptop:

well when I watch the dish, it goes to "prologic2" and when I watch an HD show, like House, or Bones it says "dolbydigital" and when I watch Heros it goes to "DTS"

[19:45:47]

|Torg|:

juski check your alsa settings, there are some posts about tutning off and muting certain devices

[19:46:11]

|Torg|:

seth I belvei you 100%, we already established your bcasts are differnt then mine

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seth|laptop:

hehe

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|Torg|:

you have differnt commericals, they come out differnt sizes

[19:46:22]

juski:

|Torg|: when xine works perfectly? I doubt it's a mixer setting

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juski:

and I've done enough battling with alsa for one lifetime

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|Torg|:

wouldnt spurrise me if they were two twtally differnt encoders that did it too

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seth|laptop:

my alsamixer only has 4 items enabled master at 80% pcm at 80% IEC958 on and IEC958 volume at 0%

[19:47:23]

juski:

what I need to do is find out what xine calls the passthru device & put that into myth setup

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seth|laptop:

everything else I have muted

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|Torg|:

juski I had that same issue and found myth to be resetting my alsa sertings, I had to resort to a system asound.conf and a !default of spdif

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|Torg|:

alsamixer sucks :P

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seth|laptop:

:-(

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juski:

hmm I've not tried it with my new config

[19:47:59]

seth|laptop:

well its all I need

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seth|laptop:

needed

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juski:

anyway xine works brilliantly and I'm often of the opinion that if it aint broke..

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|Torg|:

pcm.!default {

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|Torg|:

type plug

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|Torg|:

slave.pcm "dmix-digital"

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|Torg|:

}

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seth|laptop:

I just use the Internal player, for the same reason

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juski:

I don't wanna know, believe me

[19:49:01]

juski:

I've been all through that

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juski:

til 5.30 am last sunday morning

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|Torg|:

I had to hard code my rate to 48000 then everything worked fine

[19:50:08]

|Torg|:

I had a hell of a time with my MB audio device too

[19:50:10]

juski:

I'm still getting very slight playback pauses, I noticed today

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|Torg|:

even when I disable it in bios linux stil finds it and insists on using it as primary

[19:50:23]

juski:

only slight, barely noticable infact

[19:50:25]

|Torg|:

I had to blacklist its modules

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seth|laptop:

speaking of rates, what does playing with them do for me in the trtanscoders section of TV Recording

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juski:

cpu usage is < 50% so I'm gonna try not using an nfs mount for the recordings dir

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|Torg|:

mostly make it work or not

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|Torg|:

my carrds dsp can only do 48k

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seth|laptop:

ah

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|Torg|:

I hacked an audiology asound.conf to make mine

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|Torg|:

id be glad to share it

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juski:

my current audio setup plays everything thru analogue & spdif, then passes DTS & ac3 straight through

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|Torg|:

mostly you need to know what device id is what on your card

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juski:

you find that out by doing aplay -L

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|Torg|:

I do a mix, if its DTS or AC# its dumped raw, if its wav it gets set to 48K and passed to the card

[19:52:20]

fryfrog:

why do you play analog *and* spdif?

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|Torg|:

mp3

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robbins876:

juski: on your VIA board, does it output video to the entire tv screen?

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robbins876:

juski: Mine has black bars all around it

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fryfrog:

i still don't quite understand :/

[19:52:49]

fryfrog:

but then, i dont' know how digital out works

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juski:

fryfrog: so I can opt to turn the amp on & my wife doesn't _have_ to

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fryfrog:

juski: ahhhhh

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|Torg|:

if I dont it dumps spdif for digital and rca for analog I wanted them both to go to spdif

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juski:

robbins876: if you're on PAL you'll want to use 720x576Noscale

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juski:

if on NTSC you want to use 720x480Noscale

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robbins876:

juski: i'm in US, so i use NTSC... where do I change that?

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seth|laptop:

ahh, I control the volume for my myth through the receiver, I have no analog, thats a pretty good idea

[19:53:33]

juski:

xorg.conf

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robbins876:

alright, so 720x480

[19:54:00]

robbins876:

how do I tell it to use No scale?

[19:54:02]

juski:

robbins876: no

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juski:

gimme a sec

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robbins876:

juski: will you pastebin your xorg.conf?

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fryfrog:

anyone catch that new show on TBS?

[19:54:36]

fryfrog:

10 items or less, i think?

[19:54:52]

fryfrog:

or the other one... that i don't remember anything except its title had "guy" in it

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robbins876:

my guys

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fryfrog:

oh yeah

[19:55:45]

fryfrog:

still haven't seen it :)

[19:55:52]

robbins876:

it looks like it's about a slut with a bunch of boyfriends

[19:56:19]

fryfrog:

ah, like sex in the city?

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seth|laptop:

hehe must be on fox

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fryfrog:

er, sex and the city?

[19:56:28]

fryfrog:

what ever that show is called

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robbins876:

i have no idea, i've just seen the previews

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juski:

http://pastebin.ca/262670

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juski:

it's not the whole thing but you'll get the idea

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robbins876:

so all i need to do is edit the xorg.conf?

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juski:

sections of interest .. the Option stuff at the top & the modes "720x576Noscale" line – only in your case you'll want "720x480Noscale"

[19:59:45]

seth|laptop:

hey, this may be stupid, but if I have my firefly series imported to /myth/video, is there a way tomake it show up in recorded TV, to better organize them, so I just have a firefly title on the left, with the episodes listed on the right?

[19:59:48]

juski:

yes, then restart X to see the changes

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robbins876:

what's the command to restart x?

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juski:

oh mother

[20:00:05]

seth|laptop:

ctrl-alt-bkspc

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seth|laptop:

woops

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juski:

if using a login manager, log out first

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juski:

;)

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juski:

pfft

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seth|laptop:

would I have to convert the .avi files to mpg's

[20:01:06]

euphobot:

ok did a channel scan and then mythfilldatabase --refresh-all @@@ still no glad

[20:01:30]

seth|laptop:

your listings must be really angry

[20:01:38]

seth|laptop:

I guess I was lucky

[20:01:41]

euphobot:

its spreading

[20:01:58]

fryfrog:

ahahah

[20:02:08]

euphobot:

where's that recipe url?

[20:02:52]

euphobot:

this is nuts

[20:03:01]

juski:

seth|laptop: no you wouldn't

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seth|laptop:

juski: would that work?

[20:03:18]

juski:

seth|laptop: yes

[20:03:21]

juski:

see the wiki

[20:03:29]

juski:

use the wookie, luke

[20:03:29]

seth|laptop:

at mythtv.org?

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|Torg|:

and juski I was talking about aplay -l not aplay -L

[20:03:32]

juski:

or something

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juski:

|Torg|: but aplay -L will show you device aliases too

[20:04:03]

juski:

not just numbers

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|Torg|:

yes juski, I was saying I took my defintions and changes teh HW part to reflect eh actual devices I had

[20:04:43]

|Torg|:

I took an audiology aosund.conf (I dont have an audiology) and hacked it so it would work

[20:04:54]

|Torg|:

the only real hack I did was chnging the hardware defs

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juski:

I think an important thing to point out at this juncture is that there is no cure-all alsa.conf file

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seth|laptop:

euphobot: this forum requires that you create a login and such, but a fellow LUG member, had to follow this procedure to get his working : http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=12615

[20:06:07]

seth|laptop:

juski: is that in the mythtv.org wiki?

[20:06:08]

|Torg|:

in fact juski there are great differnces in alsa.conf based upon card and chip revision

[20:07:21]

juski:

|Torg|: thanks for telling me what I already knew, so I assume that's for the benefit of the channel ;)

[20:07:27]

juski:

seth|laptop: yes

[20:07:53]

juski:

alsa == dragons lie in wait here, beware!

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|Torg|:

yes juski

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noddan:

1333MHz t-bird should suffice as backend, right?

[20:09:29]

|Torg|:

what cards are you putting into it?

[20:09:29]

fryfrog:

Does anyone use any recording profiles or groups?

[20:09:43]

|Torg|:

fryfrog we all do, wether we like it or not :)

[20:09:56]

noddan:

I've currently got some kind of wintv card

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|Torg|:

I found that out earlier this week

[20:10:08]

fryfrog:

okay, then does anyone use a group or profile besides default?

[20:10:16]

fryfrog:

i'm wondering what *useful* use it can be put to?

[20:10:31]

juski:

noddan: prolly not enough to be honest. unless it's a hauppauge PVR card or something. software encoding will smother the machine

[20:10:44]

noddan:

okay

[20:11:11]

noddan:

I found it in the trash at school, so I figured I might save myself some money

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|Torg|:

if you use a hardware encoding card or HD tuners it will work fine

[20:11:36]

juski:

if you spend a little on a hauppauge pvr card it'll be more than adequate though

[20:11:45]

noddan:

okay

[20:11:45]

juski:

HD / DVB

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noddan:

that's the plan anyway

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juski:

I mean it'll _work_ but it'll suck with the software encoder

[20:12:08]

noddan:

no point in HD yet, Sweden is far away from broadcasting HD in larger scale

[20:12:46]

juski:

and when it does, chances are it might be h.264 and good luck playing that on less than a 4ghz dual CPU

[20:12:53]

juski:

in linux

[20:13:21]

juski:

actually it's been a while since I checked the progress of the h.264 hd trials in london

[20:13:21]

FinnTux:

anyone having problems with mytharchive not using cutlist even when told to do so?

[20:13:22]

|Torg|:

by the time it does we will ahve quad core cpus :P

[20:13:29]

noddan:

exactly :)

[20:13:29]

fryfrog:

does anyone recall where the optional pre/post recording extension is in the setup menus?

[20:13:38]

juski:

fryfrog: mythtv-setup IIRC

[20:13:44]

fryfrog:

what?

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dev:

god bless you

[20:13:59]

fryfrog:

no way, hardly anything is in there that is not runtime specific?

[20:14:05]

fryfrog:

isn't it?

[20:14:19]

** juski goes to look **

[20:14:41]

juski:

it might be in recording profiles

[20:15:10]

juski:

or check the wiki!

[20:15:16]

noddan:

I haven't decided on what card to use yet. It needs to be able to decode encoded dvb-t channels.

[20:15:35]

stuarta:

encoded or encrypted?

[20:15:45]

fryfrog:

what do you call that?

[20:15:54]

juski:

fryfrog: in mythfrontend, utils/setup > setup > tv > general

[20:16:00]

noddan:

encrypted

[20:16:06]

fryfrog:

ah, thanks justki

[20:16:18]

fryfrog:

i hate trying to track down a *specific* setting :(

[20:16:23]

juski:

noddan: you need a dvb-t tuner with a CI slot and a CAM, and a valid viewing card

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euphobot:

ok, some progress... the line up on zap only has 2 stations checked. something changed on there end in the last day

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juski:

there is no software method to un-encripple TV in mythtv, ftw :)

[20:17:01]

noddan:

juski: CAM = Common Access Module?

[20:17:09]

juski:

conditional access module

[20:17:17]

juski:

CAM == conditional access module

[20:17:23]

juski:

CI == common interface

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noddan:

okay

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juski:

unfortunately DVB-T tuners with CI slots are like rocking horse poo

[20:17:48]

stuarta:

think the technotrend cards have it.

[20:17:55]

fryfrog:

okay, i see a "Time to record before start of show (in seconds)" and one for after, but nothing that implies there is also an "optional" one?

[20:17:59]

** stuarta looks at dvbshop **

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fryfrog:

does anyoen know what... i dunno who was talking about?

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|Torg|:

I want a DVB-S card with CAM

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stuarta:

|Torg|: dvbshop.net

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kormoc:

fryfrog, where did you find that?

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dev:

i want a horsey

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fryfrog:

tv settings / general

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fryfrog:

i'd have *thought* it'd be in the same place :/

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** stuarta offers dev a lollypop **

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fryfrog:

and uh, wtf is "watched" programs in svn?

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|Torg|:

stuarta your kidding right? what I want is a way to record my dishnet tv via myth using my cams from dishnet, Since a dvb dosnt have a box id or key id guess my chacnes of just popping the card into a dvb-s cam slot to be slim to none

[20:19:36]

kormoc:

fryfrog, yeah, that's the optional ones I beleieve, as they're set on mine to 90

[20:19:42]

noddan:

I see the abbreviation "CAM" on a few of the cards, but only "CI" on one of them.. What does CI mean?

[20:19:43]

juski:

fryfrog: there are also per recording settings

[20:19:50]

juski:

CI == common interface

[20:19:56]

juski:

I hate having to repeat myself

[20:19:59]

noddan:

Alright, what does it do

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stuarta:

|Torg|: ah dishnet. no hope

[20:20:04]

fryfrog:

is it shows you have watched, but not deleted that should be *okay* to delete?

[20:20:09]

kormoc:

fryfrog, cursor it over it

[20:20:14]

juski:

it provides a hardware interface to the CAM, noddan

[20:20:16]

kormoc:

fryfrog, and in the description it says

[20:20:18]

|Torg|:

yes I know stuarta , dosnt stop me from wating it tho :)

[20:20:28]

fryfrog:

ah, lemme try that forgot about the description text

[20:20:31]

|Torg|:

a CI is the think you plug the CAM into

[20:20:34]

kormoc:

fryfrog, "It is ignored when two shows have been scheduled without enough time inbetween"

[20:20:37]

noddan:

ah okay

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|Torg|:

its usualy a card slot of some kind

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juski:

noddan: you get a card with a CI slot, buy a CAM, plug the CAM into the CI slot and put the viewing card into the CAM

[20:20:47]

stuarta:

fryfrog: yes, things marked as watched will be auto expired in preference to unwatched...

[20:20:56]

fryfrog:

ahhh

[20:21:07]

juski:

oh hell. more options?!

[20:21:09]

noddan:

alright, thanks

[20:21:31]

stuarta:

juski: hehe. look on the bright side. no themes have a watched icon yet :)

[20:21:41]

juski:

oh fuck

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fryfrog:

not a big deal, basically anything i've *watched* i delete right after

[20:21:49]

juski:

actually I already have one ready

[20:21:52]

fryfrog:

except heroes

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stuarta:

it's useful for some, not for others.

[20:22:25]

juski:

I chose 'the eye' to represent 'watched'

[20:22:37]

burner:

hum, is there a list over commands i can send to the mythbackend ?

[20:22:51]

juski:

burner: with the myth protocol?

[20:23:01]

juski:

look in the wiki, and then in the source

[20:24:04]

burner:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_Protocol_Command_List

[20:24:20]

juski:

you just answered your own question. well done

[20:24:35]

juski:

</patronising>

[20:24:40]

burner:

heh

[20:24:49]

burner:

but.. isnt that is a list over what the backend returns..?

[20:25:00]

noddan:

I can't find any hauppage card with CI

[20:25:02]

juski:

I also said look in the source

[20:25:13]

juski:

it's not documented if it aint in the wiki

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Saviq:

noddan – I believe they were sold separately

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Saviq:

the CIs

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** juski cues some grumbling **

[20:25:38]

noddan:

ah okay. I'll look around for some kind of CI-plugin-expensive-module-thingie then.

[20:25:50]

juski:

noddan: look at dvbshop

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Saviq:

I'm using poor-man's-cam

[20:26:31]

Saviq:

it's a basic card reader on the pc's serial interface

[20:26:33]

juski:

not with mythtv you ain't

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euphobot:

ok, prgram data restored. This was a zap2it problem. They wiped out my lineup sometime since yesterday. all is well

[20:26:45]

Saviq:

that's what I was afraid of :|

[20:26:49]

juski:

we really should get some cops in here

[20:27:01]

kormoc:

cops?

[20:27:17]

juski:

kickban $userwhomentionedillegalshit

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Saviq:

why is poorman's cam illegal?

[20:27:35]

Saviq:

I use a legal card in it

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juski:

it's not up for discussion

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kormoc:

juski, or just poke me or xris or someone else who's an op

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Saviq:

nevermind

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noddan:

cwap. 80 euros just for the CI-module. that's 160 euros for two cards.. and then I have to buy the actual cards as well

[20:28:33]

kormoc:

hrm

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stuarta:

kormoc: not deserved just yet.

[20:29:43]

kormoc:

stuarta, yeah, I was looking how to get a op list and it opped me rather then give a list of ops

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stuarta:

hehe :)

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stuarta:

anyone with voice basically

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kormoc:

stuarta, heh, yeah

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juski:

I'm a bastard of a moderator. someone only has to say 'soft' & my evils are out

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kormoc:

/msg chanserv access #mythtv-users list is the proper way on freenode

[20:30:57]

kormoc:

we have strange ops

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juski:

anyway I think Twinhan make DVB-T tuners with CI slots

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stuarta:

what is with these newer dvb-t cards that don't have a aerial loop out????

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juski:

and Technotrend :)

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stuarta:

p.o.s.

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juski:

stuarta: the ones with aerial loop-outs can only pass so much through anyway

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juski:

I have a strong signal * the most I get away with is putting it into 2 cards

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stuarta:

hmmmm.

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juski:

if it's present I don't think it's usually bufferred

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fryfrog:

does anyone recall where the skip and jump amount settings are?

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juski:

if anybody feels like doing some wiki wiki editing, I've put some screenshots up at http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/mythscreenshots/&nbs p;– well I say 'some'

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juski:

fryfrog: tv settings > playback IIRC

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fryfrog:

its not tv settings / general or playback afaict

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fryfrog:

okay, re-looking since i'm kind of blind :p

[20:37:56]

fryfrog:

no, feels like it *should* be there... but isn't :/

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otwin:

juski: do you have that s100 stuff still online somewhere?

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gu014:

is there any sort of documentation for soundon the hauppauge pvr 150 card. i am using onboard sound?

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juski:

otwin: nope

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mkrufky:

gu014: the sound is provided inside the mpeg2 stream

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GreyFoxx:

gu014: What kind of documentation do you need ?

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fryfrog:

gu014: what do you mean? its just... yeah, in the mpeg2 stream :)

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juski:

otwin: it's being restructured soon

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juski:

fryfrog: playback groups!

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gu014:

well, i do not get anysound as of now..using comp speakers plugged into the onboard sound port

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juski:

bah why the heck couldn't the playback groups GUI use the same notation as the OSD for the timestretch amount?

[20:41:38]

mkrufky:

gu014: does your computer make any sound if you play an audio file?

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fryfrog:

juski: seriulsly, its in playback groups?

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juski:

fryfrog: seriously yes it is

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fryfrog:

sheesh

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fryfrog:

ah, yup there it is

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fryfrog:

that has to be new

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otwin:

juski: i'm working on that again – s100 now boots an etherboot image of a memory stick and then boots kernel over nfs with nfsroot. but the hard stuff is still ahead...

[20:42:59]

otwin:

juski: getting tv-out to work

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rogue780:

would anyone be interested on working on a mythbuntu distro based on edgy?

[20:43:42]

GreyFoxx:

I believe something like that is going on already, unless that is what you are referring to

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fryfrog:

why not just use ubuntu?

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|Torg|:

juski why do you need CI for dvb-t do they encrypt OTA?

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fryfrog:

or do you mean like knoppmyth, but ubuntmyth?

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stuarta:

|Torg|: yes they do

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rogue780:

same reason people use mythdora vice fedora or knoppmyth vice knoppix

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rogue780:

right

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fryfrog:

wtf, they encrypt *OTA* signals?

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stuarta:

yep, in some areas,

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|Torg|:

they only do that in a few markets here stuarta , and its aimed at lower income people to get "cable" channels

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fryfrog:

weird

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stuarta:

in the uk it's add on channels

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fryfrog:

sorry, do you mean they encrypt stations that are *on* the airwaves?

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|Torg|:

what they do in mux multiple SD's into a HD signal and demux it with special stbs

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mkrufky:

i found two OTA channels encrypted here in brooklyn

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fryfrog:

or are you talking about the "ota" channels that are sent over cable?

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mkrufky:

i was also quite surprised

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stuarta:

fryfrog: yup

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|Torg|:

look up USDTV

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stuarta:

we are talking about dvb-t terrestrial digital

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|Torg|:

we have it here, its the only ones bcasting with 5 pids too

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fryfrog:

what (in theory, as a normal person) do you need to recieve encrypted dvb-t?

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stuarta:

used !US

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stuarta:

officially a STB that takes the viewing card.

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fryfrog:

ah

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|Torg|:

same here, its all SD tv tho

[20:46:50]

fryfrog:

are their tv cards that take a "viewing card"?

[20:46:58]

fryfrog:

er, s/their/there

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stuarta:

with a computer it's dvb card with CI, +CAM, +viewing card

[20:47:12]

fryfrog:

ahhhhhh

[20:47:19]

fryfrog:

i always thought CI/CAM was for sat

[20:47:24]

mkrufky:

what's a "viewing card" ?

[20:47:33]

fryfrog:

didn't realize there was terrestrial that used ci/cam :/

[20:47:33]

|Torg|:

they have a STB that tunes in ATSC channels, it then demuxes the channel into 6 individual SD ones. It uses a CAM but not in the sence of what we thing a CAM is

[20:47:42]

juski:

rogue780: see #ubuntu-mythtv & talk it over in there

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|Torg|:

in every single, with no sxecption, digital encryption you use a CAM

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|Torg|:

even in the boxes from dishnet people call CAMless

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stuarta:

mkrufky: the things about the size of a credit card that get put in a slot in a STB to authorize viewing of encrypted content

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|Torg|:

they are in fact built in as part of teh circuitry, all digital decrytion uses a CAM

[20:48:16]

juski:

a _hardware_ CAM not just any ole CAM

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fryfrog:

why does dishnet call them camless?

[20:48:22]

fryfrog:

ah

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|Torg|:

there is no card, people think the card they put in is a CAM

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juski:

fryfrog: because they use their own propriatary encripplement

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stuarta:

since the CAM would be built into the STB

[20:48:44]

fryfrog:

ah

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mkrufky:

ah, ok... i should have known

[20:48:52]

|Torg|:

USDTV does the same thing

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juski:

as do $ky in the UK

[20:49:29]

|Torg|:

thts sky1, right?

[20:49:32]

stuarta:

yup, and $ky control there own encryption and won't release a CAM

[20:49:41]

juski:

more jobs for the boys!

[20:49:45]

|Torg|:

offhand does it do nagra?

[20:49:55]

juski:

it's $kycrypt

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|Torg|:

if im getting into the no no questiosn tell me :)

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juski:

they invested a shit load of money in developing a very hard encripplement

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stuarta:

they always have jobs going at NDS (aka $ky's tech heads)

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|Torg|:

im about pissed enough to illegally hack a dvb card to recive what I legitmatly pay for via dishnet tho, all becase they want to lock themselves into the hardware market

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juski:

of course

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juski:

more jobs for the boys!

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|Torg|:

so Sky uses the same encrytion dircttv does

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juski:

not AFAIK

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|Torg|:

directv used to use NDS untill they fired them and took security inhouse, that was 2 years ago

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stuarta:

don't believe so...

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juski:

some of the guys I work with used to work at a STB manufacturer who made stuff for $ky. From them I get the impression it's pretty damn secure – or at least totally not worth the effort digging into

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stuarta:

only thing worth watching on it is the sport & I can go to the pub for that

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juski:

and a mate of my Dad's went away for a while for selling rogue setups before they implemented the new encryption, so they're pretty keen to snuff out any naughtiness

[20:54:14]

|Torg|:

intersting becsae there are aricles I read about "chapps in the pubs" who have laptops and reprogram pics to use ski

[20:54:25]

juski:

those days are long gone

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stuarta:

they do seem to update the encryption every few years

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|Torg|:

they do that in teh US too, I want to know why the US govenrment dosnt arrest them for exporting military grae encrytion

[20:55:13]

juski:

anyway when tv providers are the only ones who let you have hardware to use their stuff, they can not only control what you watch, but when, where & how, too.

[20:55:24]

|Torg|:

i think 22,700 miles up is a bit out of US teritory :)

[20:55:25]

juski:

not that anybody does, yet

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|Torg|:

directtv used to be like that in the US, then dishnet showed them how to lock up the hardware market

[20:55:57]

juski:

it's a win-win situation for them

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|Torg|:

they make money off subs, off sellign setups, even off instaltion

[20:56:19]

|Torg|:

and if you want to record something you sure as hell beter pay extra for a subpar DVR

[20:56:27]

|Torg|:

and you pay for the right to use that DVR

[20:56:34]

|Torg|:

and they come with whopping 80G drivs

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juski:

they have a unique selling point, so if you want their stuff it's their T&Cs or bust

[20:56:41]

|Torg|:

and the HDTV they giv you is downsamples

[20:56:44]

juski:

they're smart

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|Torg|:

understand now why I told them to shove it and I built myth boxes?

[20:57:02]

juski:

it's a no-brainer

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|Torg|:

and just to piss me off there is no firewire out on the boxes so I cant even frame grab the damn things

[20:57:37]

juski:

and believe me I'm not under any misapprehensions here – when it all goes totally DRM'd & locked down & I opt out I'll be part of a very tiny minority

[20:58:14]

|Torg|:

wel almost did that with bordcast flgs

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stuarta:

i'm not looking forward to that....

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|Torg|:

you already cant buy CDs or DVS in the US

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juski:

we're getting em in Europe ya know stuarta

[20:58:51]

juski:

broadcast flags++

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mkrufky:

i always thought they spat out mpeg2 on that firewire ... |Torg|, are you saying that is has raw HD video?

[20:59:31]

|Torg|:

mkrufky they are baiscly the same thing

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juski:

it's mpeg2, and if encrippled they use 5C

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mkrufky:

raw video is not mpeg2

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mkrufky:

ah, ok

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|Torg|:

once my ATSC card tunes a chanell what comes out is mpeg2

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|Torg|:

it dumps that out the firewire port on the cable boxes

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juski:

to speak 5C you need to pay $$$$$licencefee$$$$$ and ensure your solution is secure

[21:00:12]

|Torg|:

but dishnet boxes dont have firewire out

[21:00:15]

mkrufky:

ok good... ive been meaning to try that with Time Warner Cable

[21:00:34]

mkrufky:

never got around to it... but I bet I can record hbo . showtime , etc that way

[21:00:48]

|Torg|:

youll need an ir blaster to tune the stb

[21:00:54]

juski:

while the FSF is doing a lot of good work I don't ever think it'll be enough to protect consumers' rights

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mkrufky:

...if i wanted to use it for a prodution system, that is

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juski:

DV over firewire is basically motionjpeg with embedded audio & timecode

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juski:

but that is not the same as what you get from cable STBs

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juski:

the connector & basic protocol is about all they have in common

[21:02:18]

mkrufky:

yeah, i would imagine the cable stb just sends out the single mpeg2ps

[21:02:28]

mkrufky:

exactly as received after decryption

[21:02:53]

juski:

pretty much the case, from what I've read about it

[21:02:55]

mkrufky:

i swear i will try that one of these days

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|Torg|:

actualy mpeg2 is the output of the decryption

[21:03:20]

mkrufky:

|Torg|: yup — just like we just said :-)

[21:03:30]

|Torg|:

or more precisly the mopdulo of the decryion os crcd with the packes and the resultant is mpeg

[21:03:51]

|Torg|:

at least that is how dishnet and directv do it

[21:03:52]

mkrufky:

which atsc card do u use, |Torg| ? (just curious)

[21:03:59]

juski:

apparently a $ky tech guy has told someone I know that 'one day' their firewire port will be enabled, but it'll only work with stuff that talks their language – and the only pvr app they have in mind for that is MCE believe it or not

[21:04:05]

|Torg|:

air2pc

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mkrufky:

hd5000?

[21:04:25]

|Torg|:

no technisat air2pc

[21:04:29]

mkrufky:

or one of the older models OTA-only?

[21:04:33]

|Torg|:

0000:00:0d.0 Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02)

[21:04:33]

|Torg|:

0000:00:0f.0 Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02)

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|Torg|:

OTA only

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mkrufky:

there are 3 air2pc cards

[21:04:47]

juski:

I wouldn't mind using a lickle bit of closed source crap if I still got the nice reliability & functionality of mythtv

[21:04:48]

mkrufky:

ok, cool... probablt the bcm3510-based one

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mkrufky:

juski: the problem with the closed source drivers is that you're stuck with whatever kernel they were compiled against, and pretty unlikely that you'll be able to get it to play nice with another device's driver

[21:06:24]

juski:

mkrufky: aye. tv is way overrated anyway

[21:06:43]

mkrufky:

haha ..... im glas this season is ending... i watched way to omuch tv these past few months

[21:06:46]

mkrufky:

glaD

[21:07:02]

juski:

I still have like 7 days' worth of unwatched recordings

[21:07:24]

juski:

I've managed to clear 24 hours' worth in the last 10 days

[21:07:30]

mkrufky:

damn

[21:08:10]

mkrufky:

now i feel like talking about tv shows... but its probably off topic

[21:08:13]

juski:

12 recordings tomorrow

[21:08:20]

juski:

that's 12 _upcoming_

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mkrufky:

lol 12 tomorrow? what do u have scheduled?

[21:09:04]

** |Torg| thinks juski need to get rid of some of his schedules **

[21:09:05]

mkrufky:

i freed up 150 GB last night by transcoding every saturday night live episode for the past 6 months

[21:09:11]

kenguru:

juski, did you use eit and dvb-c ?

[21:09:48]

juski:

24, this life, have I got news for you, mythbusters, soaps (wifey), south park, Xfiles, desert island discs (!), fridy night with Jonathon Ross and finally, My Name Is Earl

[21:10:02]

mkrufky:

hey, is there a way to use the mythtv edit + trancode features to export an mpeg file, without altering the original recording in the database?

[21:10:09]

juski:

kenguru: I don't have a dvb-c tuner. my cableco would rape my ass if I did

[21:10:18]

kenguru:

okay.

[21:10:22]

juski:

mkrufky: nuvexport

[21:10:39]

mkrufky:

ok i'll read up on it

[21:11:00]

kenguru:

i had problem with dvb-c using eit (program data is fetched correctly for next 2 weeks) but epg doesn't show any data.

[21:11:04]

kenguru:

i have.

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|Torg|:

juski they bcast my name is earl in the uk?

[21:11:21]

juski:

saturday night is easy going. only 3 scheduled to record :)

[21:11:25]

juski:

|Torg|: yeah

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|Torg|:

god more shining examples of US citizenry to show the UK

[21:11:47]

juski:

and it's one I've not seen this episode

[21:11:55]

mkrufky:

lol

[21:11:58]

juski:

|Torg|: what'd you rather I watch? the OC? pfft

[21:12:04]

|Torg|:

you know we dont all live like that, right? (well ok my nighbors are but thats antoher story)

[21:12:10]

juski:

Friends?! pfft!

[21:12:16]

juski:

hahahaha

[21:12:27]

mkrufky:

i think they ARE like that in the mid-west

[21:12:32]

** mkrufky from NYC **

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|Torg|:

lets see I record, CSI and Law and Order, Heros, Jerhico and Nova

[21:12:41]

juski:

I once stayed in a hotel that wasn't more than 100 yards from a trailer park, so I KNOW it's not ALL like that

[21:13:04]

juski:

it's worse, in places ;)

[21:13:06]

|Torg|:

on sunday I dont record anything at all

[21:13:14]

juski:

but then I bet you guys don't get 'Shameless'

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|Torg|:

no but I bet I can find it on bittorrent :P

[21:13:35]

juski:

you should – then you'd know we're not all wankers like in 'The Office'

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stuarta:

night all. time to go see the GF

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mkrufky:

i record heroes, jericho, er, grey's anatomy, futurama, oblongs, that 70s show, prison break, justice, standoff, day break, lost. simpsons, family guy, american dad

[21:14:03]

|Torg|:

we get two version of the office, one is on PBS and is a year old UK ones, the other is a US version that I think sucks

[21:14:09]

juski:

stuarta: nighty night. have fun

[21:14:31]

stuarta:

i'll try. she's a bit grumpy today :)

[21:14:32]

juski:

anything touched by the hand of Gervais... sucks

[21:14:45]

|Torg|:

http://bushtorrent.com/torrent.php?id=87297

[21:14:48]

|Torg|:

see told you it wasnt hard

[21:14:50]

juski:

hem!

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stuarta:

!trout |Torg| stop that illegal shit

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** MythLogBot slaps |Torg| with a stop that illegal shit trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[21:15:24]

|Torg|:

hey torrents arnt illegal, its what they represent are

[21:15:31]

juski:

just FYI I live less than 10 miles where 'shameless' is shot

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|Torg|:

and I dont tell you to go download it, nor get a client

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juski:

*from

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|Torg|:

I was illustration that it was easy to find :P

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|Torg|:

but I wont paste any torrent links no more

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juski:

I live for American Dad. I was in tears laughing at Roger utterring the words "see you next tuesday"

[21:17:51]

juski:

somewhat peturbingly, so were my parents

[21:18:00]

mkrufky:

hmm i didnt see this week's episode yet

[21:18:10]

mkrufky:

probably gonna watch it after Grey's tonight

[21:18:13]

noddan:

what do you think about http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . XP-MCE-.html with a http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . series-.html and a CAM-module that I buy here in Sweden? The linuxtv-wiki says that it is supported. I assume this means that it will most likely work in mythtv as well?

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|Torg|:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Technotrend-Hauppauge-Sat . . . cmdZViewItem

[21:19:39]

mkrufky:

noddan: if the DVB subsystem supports it, then it will work in mythtv

[21:19:44]

juski:

well I'm orf to watch some of this 7 days' worth. if anyone asks I was never here

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mkrufky:

juski: later

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|Torg|:

take care juski

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superm1:

hey juski before you leave

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superm1:

can you message me?

[21:20:38]

superm1:

or at least join #ubuntu-mythtv for a few min

[21:20:43]

noddan:

mkrufky: alright, great!

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|Torg|:

let the man watch tv, sheesh

[21:20:52]

noddan:

shouldn't be a problem then.

[21:21:05]

superm1:

hehe i've just been trying to get ahold of him for a while :)

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|Torg|:

I was sorta hoping I could pop a dishnet cam into one of those dvb-s with CI cards

[21:22:03]

|Torg|:

im pretty sure it wont work tho

[21:24:04]

|Torg|:

how many HD dvb cards can a BE handle?

[21:24:18]

mkrufky:

I have 4 in mine right now, but i have had 7 at one point

[21:24:23]

mkrufky:

i think there isnt really a limit

[21:24:36]

mkrufky:

whatever you can connect to the hardware is the limit, i think

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|Torg|:

ok I was thinknig oif making my dvb-t cards work with dvb-s cards, it may run into drive contention when recording tho

[21:25:08]

fryfrog:

mkrufky: 7 *HD* cards???

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janneg:

the number of PCI slots is one

[21:25:27]

mkrufky:

fryfrog: yup

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fryfrog:

I guess that isn't *too* unlikely to work out well

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fryfrog:

2mb/sec * 7 is only 14mb/sec of writes

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mkrufky:

double-negative

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fryfrog:

in theory

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fryfrog:

screw you, dirty hippie :p

[21:26:02]

mkrufky:

:-)

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mkrufky:

now, when they add full TS support to mythtv ,that's when things will get crazy

[21:26:51]

mkrufky:

imagine 6 PCI cards in one box, each recording 4 shows each

[21:27:15]

mkrufky:

drooling yet? it's not impossible

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|Torg|:

well in theory a pci bus can handle 127MB/s altho in reality its more like 110

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|Torg|:

so 7 PCI HD tuners falls well within the limits of PCI

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mianos:

re

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mianos:

good evening together ;)

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|Torg|:

fryfrog what drives do you write to?

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janneg:

typical DVB-S2 transponder have ~50mbit/s. ten of them shouldn't be a problem when the storage isn't on the same pci bus

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|Torg|:

janneg nearly every PC I have seen only has one bus

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mkrufky:

agp is its own pci bus

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|Torg|:

all going to the same bridge chip

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|Torg|:

same bus, same bottlneck

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|Torg|:

same bridge

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seth|laptop:

so is pci express have its own bus?

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seth|laptop:

or rather does

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|Torg|:

there is only one set of IO lines to the CPU

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|Torg|:

they are handled by the bridge chip

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mkrufky:

they have started to ship DVB cards in pci express form factor... i wonder what is the benefit?

[21:32:34]

janneg:

and most storage controller are directly integrated in the northbridge

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|Torg|:

eventaully they all end up on teh same bus on a x86 architecture

[21:32:38]

seth|laptop:

i have a pci-x and a pci16x but i have nothing in them

[21:32:44]

|Torg|:

its why a windows box is so much slower then even a low rand unix one

[21:32:45]

seth|laptop:

onboard nvidia

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moto125:

Can anyone tell me what the prefix while installing the plugins should be? I'm having some trouble

[21:33:10]

seth|laptop:

./configure --prefix=/usr

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mianos:

can some one help me with this please: i installed myth from svn yesterday and today. alway when i press escape in tv-mode i get a black screen

[21:33:30]

janneg:

moto125: the same as for mythtv

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mianos:

before with 0.20 stable i was took to the menu

[21:34:18]

mianos:

and another thing – when i select tv , i dont get the EPG with a live-tv preview first! I JUST get immediately the livetv

[21:34:25]

moto125:

seth|laptop: is it always /usr? I have myth installed at /usr/local/mythtv-0.20. is it /usr/local then?

[21:34:27]

mianos:

is that known?

[21:34:43]

janneg:

mianos: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2748

[21:34:47]

mianos:

2006-11–30 22:32:13.075 TV: Attempting to change from WatchingLiveTV to None

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mianos:

Unable to launch application

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mianos:

2006-11–30 22:32:13.542 TV: Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None

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|Torg|:

seth told you how to MAKE it /usr

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seth|laptop:

moto125: it is what I used, some distros may vary, I use a debian based distro, called knoppmyth

[21:35:20]

seth|laptop:

I would guess you would want it in /usr

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|Torg|:

I could have mine in /torg if I wanted, its based upon who compiled your packages

[21:35:30]

seth|laptop:

exactly

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|Torg|:

if you did it and did not specifly anything it went into /usr/local

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moto125:

I'm using Ubuntu, I'm compiling from source

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janneg:

moto125: /usr/local is correct for you

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** |Torg| considers recompiling myth just to make it go to /torg **

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seth|laptop:

hehe /torg/bin/mythfrontend

[21:36:50]

janneg:

moto125: sorry, I shoul;d read more carefully. use /usr/local/mythtv-0.20 as prefix

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seth|laptop:

PATH=/usr/bin;/usr/local/bin;/torg/bin

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mianos:

janneg, thx... i can't find a download link to the patch ;)

[21:37:34]

Paladine:

hey guys, what would be the best DPI and resolution to display a computer's output on a crt widescreen tv?

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seth|laptop:

100

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moto125:

so i want the share file that the install puts the plugins in to be in "/usr/local/mythtv-0.20/share" then?

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Paladine:

100dpi what about resolution?

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seth|laptop:

800x600 @ 100DPI

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Paladine:

800x600 is 4:3 the tv is 16:9

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janneg:

mianos: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . h?format=raw

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seth|laptop:

well then what is the max res it can support

[21:39:02]

Paladine:

no idea

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seth|laptop:

scary

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|Torg|:

maybe ill recompile everything I made customer to go to /torg that should confuse the hell outa anyone who hacks into my boxes :)

[21:39:42]

Paladine:

the resolution is documented in the manual specs

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seth|laptop:

well mythtv.org says 1280x720 @ 100dpi (16:9) DisplaySize 325 182

[21:39:45]

Paladine:

isn't

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crweb:

Paladine: then you need to choose a 16:9 resolution.

[21:40:02]

crweb:

well, its a tv, or a monitor?

[21:40:06]

Paladine:

tv

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mianos:

janneg, thank you very much – when do you think will that be in svn?=

[21:40:18]

crweb:

Paladine: how are you plugging it into the pc?

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seth|laptop:

my tv is 4:3 I cant do 16:9 :-(

[21:40:23]

mianos:

janneg, patch -p1 < patch ?

[21:40:28]

Paladine:

s-video

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janneg:

moto125: no, the plugins should be in /usr/local/mythtv-0.20/lib/mythtv/plugins/

[21:40:50]

Paladine:

video-out from the pc to svideo in on the tv

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|Torg|:

For 1280x720 at 100dpi use DisplaySize 325 182

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seth|laptop:

can svideo do more than 800x600?

[21:41:05]

|Torg|:

1280x960 325 243

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janneg:

mianos: no idea. -p0 if you are in the mythtv dir

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crweb:

Paladine: set it to 800x600 and see what it looks like

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crweb:

Paladine: some tv's auto crop out the black bars and expand the image

[21:41:29]

|Torg|:

For 800x600 at 100dpi (4:3) DisplaySize 203 153

[21:41:33]

Paladine:

yeah I will give a try this weekend I think

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seth|laptop:

here is the link I learned about in here – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Display_Size

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seth|laptop:

fixed me right up

[21:42:17]

mianos:

thanx janneg ;)

[21:42:18]

Paladine:

thanks, bookmarked :)

[21:42:25]

Paladine:

new this would be the best channel to ask :)

[21:42:26]

|Torg|:

but my tv isnt a colormeister 5000 :P

[21:42:33]

** |Torg| copied that too **

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mianos:

it is compiling atm

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seth|laptop:

oh, well I kept that info the same, and added the DisplaySize stuff

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|Torg|:

compiling myth takes about 10 mins so...

[21:43:26]

seth|laptop:

mine took more like 15 minutes

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seth|laptop:

distcc across 3 machines

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|Torg|:

I have 4 computrs, and distcc

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|Torg|:

-j 12

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** seth|laptop 's hardware is the suck **

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crweb:

i added another 512mb to my mythbox to make it 1GB, really helped

[21:44:03]

seth|laptop:

oh, then maybe not, maybe my hardware is good :P

[21:44:20]

|Torg|:

seth is that for mythplugins too, or just the mythtv part?

[21:44:31]

seth|laptop:

just the mythtv part

[21:44:36]

kash:

i use -j6 on a dual core system

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|Torg|:

I get 15 mis for both

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|Torg|:

I use two duial core and two single core boxes

[21:45:08]

seth|laptop:

I think I did plugins in like 6 minutes or so, and themes doesn't even really compile

[21:45:10]

kash:

i have 12 DC systems but am too lazy to setup distcc

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|Torg|:

I have 12 systems too, unfortunatly I cant distt to the sun boxes or even to other x86 platforms

[21:45:45]

** seth|laptop smack kash for having all that power at his disposal and not using it, :-) **

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|Torg|:

distcc is sorta particular about what it will compile with or not

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seth|laptop:

you can distcc to sun boxen, I don't but I have 3 of them at home, I read somewehre you can

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|Torg|:

I try it fails I get strang cpu linker erros

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mianos:

janneg, ready .... ;)

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seth|laptop:

2 ultra 30's and an ultra2

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mianos:

i'm starting...

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|Torg|:

I have a sb200, and ultra 2 and 2 sparc classings

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seth|laptop:

i use them for heaters in the winter :-)

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|Torg|:

err sb2000

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|Torg|:

the sb2000 is what is keeping me warm now, its 27 degress outside!

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seth|laptop:

hehe

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kash:

|Torg|: where are you?

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|Torg|:

if you hav a link to make it work with distcc id love it

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kash:

27 degrees is cool, not cold

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kash:

:/

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|Torg|:

in Texas

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seth|laptop:

I was just given an ultra 10 and a 21" monitor, was thinking about putting gentoo on it, and makong it a slave

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kash:

oh, Farenheight :p

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|Torg|:

im in Texas, there is ice on the ground its winter hell

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kash:

what part?

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|Torg|:

Dallas, well south of Fort Worth

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kash:

i'm a bit north of Houston

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kash:

near IAH

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seth|laptop:

wow, it's 54 here in PA, and we are way up north from you

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|Torg|:

its -2.7C here

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kash:

seth|laptop: our proximity to water is closer than you :p

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|Torg|:

houstong isnt much better its what in the 40's there?

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kash:

it's 18

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kash:

F

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|Torg|:

ouch

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kash:

-5C or so

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seth|laptop:

well maryland is an hour and a half from here

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kash:

it's snowing

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|Torg|:

its -7.7

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moto125:

I'm in a freezing rainstorm in St.Louis, MO

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kash:

seth|laptop: i went to Rising Sun

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kash:

the only place in the US where the KKK still thrives :p

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|Torg|:

you havnt been to Vidor, TX then :P

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moto125:

hahaha not really, but apparently they adopt some highways

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kash:

the KKK?

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kash:

:O

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kash:

hahaha

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seth|laptop:

that would be an interesting photo,

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|Torg|:

ive driven though vidor, quickly

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mianos:

janneg, thank you very much – it works fine ;) finaly i can sleep --- sleep ... sleep

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mianos:

zzZZzz

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moto125:

yea, there are signs on the road that say "Adopted by the KKK"

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mianos:

;) cu this days, thx good night alll

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kash:

hahaha

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|Torg|:

sounds like a wonderfull place to live, not

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moto125:

it's not like we have klan meetings all the time and you see them walking down the street. thats just the scumbags of society

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|Torg|:

HAHA look at defenition 3 on http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rising+Sun

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kash:

can

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kash:

can't*

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kash:

no X

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kash:

paste it :)

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|Torg|:

3. Rising sun

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|Torg|:

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|Torg|:

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|Torg|:

A whore with a yeast infection

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kash:

hhaha

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seth|laptop:

ack @ definition 2

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|Torg|:

what you dont like saki :P

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seth|laptop:

never had it

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kash:

it's strong

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seth|laptop:

not sure I can drink it after reading that :P

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kash:

what's it say

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seth|laptop:

not for IRC eyes

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kash:

:(

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kash:

PM

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seth|laptop:

actually I'm supprised our firewall here didnt block it

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|Torg|:

urbandictionary?

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|Torg|:

at one of my cleints they blocked freshmeat becase the security driector thought it was a gay pickup site

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julian_:

hi

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julian_:

some ivtv question

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julian_:

if i want to play a move with mplyer using -vo fbdev

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julian_:

it writes Can't mmap /dev/fb0: Invalid argumen

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julian_:

any ideas?

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|Torg|:

yes ask a question about mythtv, and not mplayer

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kash:

hahaha

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julian_:

yeah but i think you have the knowhow :)

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julian_:

so please

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|Torg|:

ok fbdev has nothig to do with mythtv, or mplayer

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|Torg|:

it has nothing to do with ivtv either

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|Torg|:

it is your video card

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julian_:

i use the ivtv driver :)

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|Torg|:

why does your video card no have a frame buffer drive, I dunno

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julian_:

pvr-350

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|Torg|:

I use a ide driver too, dont make any differnce

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kash:

julian_: what distro?

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|Torg|:

that is your video card

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julian_:

ubuntu

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julian_:

|Torg|: THAT IS A TV CARD WITH TV_OUTPUT

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kash:

julian_: shut up :)

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kash:

see #debian

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julian_:

people somtimes i hate you

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julian_:

sorry

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julian_:

and i will never come again

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kash:

bye

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|Torg|:

thanks kash I didnt know the channel existed

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kash:

:p

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|Torg|:

so what framebuffer driver was he missing?

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kash:

i dunno

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kash:

don't care either :p

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|Torg|:

haha

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kash:

guy's a jerk

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|Torg|:

ahh its an option for the driver :)

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** |Torg| wonders if he knew nothing about a pvr-350 or ivtv why he could use google to find an answer in less then 30 seconds **

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kash:

he's probably got OCD

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|Torg|:

hey its on wikipedia and google refernced it, so it must be true :)

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|Torg|:

does anyone have a twinhan 1020a?

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travail101:

I'm getting a segmentation fault every time I try to view input connections

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Lin:

hi all

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Lin:

someone can send me, show me, past bin to me a configuration with twinview and tv out configured?

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Fnc:

anyone happen to have a silverstone LC16M with a good working lircrc file?

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travail101:

I can't get mythfrontend to connect to mythbackend.....

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Gazo:

what player would people recommend for use with mythvideo (mplayer , xine ) , does it work with vlc ?

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Gazo:

Also anyone have mythstream working correctly , for some reason it won't parse any urls for my (eg. shoutcast) ?

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mike-rg:

can someone help me with mythrename.pl ?

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