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Tuesday, November 28th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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tormen0815:

there is a bug... and so I can't burn native archives...

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tormen0815:

and a pretty clear bug by the way :-)

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tormen0815:

but should also be simple to fix

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tormen0815:

... btw it also says: INTERNAL error...

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tormen0815:

how can I report my bug?

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tormen0815:

Is it the format of my "Full description" that is rejected somehow?!

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tormen0815:

Is it the title?

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tormen0815:

???

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tormen0815:

Gazo: Please have a short look: http://tormen.pastebin.ca/260065

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Gazo:

I'm now developer .. just a newbie ... I'm sure they will fix the bug reporting soon ..

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Gazo:

now = no

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tormen0815:

pffff

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Cybertoy:

I think #mythtv has developers...

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Cybertoy:

this is the user channel

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kash:

i can't burn DVDs :p

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kash:

it aborts

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tormen0815:

Cybertoy: but they don't answer

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kormoc:

tormen0815, trac has issues from time to time, you might want to try back in a few hours

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Cybertoy:

tormen, sry... maybe they're asleep then$

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kormoc:

Cybertoy, try less caps

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kormoc:

Cybertoy, and in anycase, it's not a myth bug

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kormoc:

Cybertoy, the progress.log tells you what when wrong.

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kormoc:

":-( /dev/dvd: media is not recognized as recordable DVD: 0"

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Cybertoy:

huh? caps?

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kormoc:

Spammers tend to use full caps a lot

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kormoc:

so your "VIDEO-DVD" and "SETTINGS" and similar are spam keys

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Cybertoy:

ah.. I think you might want to talk to tormen...

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kormoc:

ooh

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kormoc:

sorry

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kormoc:

that was to tormen0815

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Cybertoy:

np .. just confused me.

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tormen0815:

thnx

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tormen0815:

I will try :-)

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kormoc:

tormen0815, but yeah, don't bother filing it, it'll be rejected as not a bug, cause it's not a bug

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tormen0815:

kormoc: But...?

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tormen0815:

kormoc: ... shouldnt mytharchive use the dvd device specified in the setup (like it does for the Video-DVD, as I wrote)?!

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kormoc:

tormen0815, ooh, never mind, I see now

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kormoc:

sorry, misunderstood

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tormen0815:

kormoc: ok :-)

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tormen0815:

kormoc: thnx!!!! It worked! :-)))

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nasa:

Hi, given that apache 2.2.3 is requiring a localhost.key file.... when I start the httpd service it's asking me to put in the pass phrase. How do I automate this so everything works correctly after a reboot?

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kormoc:

nasa, you can't

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xris:

nasa: /join #apache ? sounds like you need to create a new key without a passphrase.

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nasa:

ok

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tormen0815:

kash: who aborts, how?

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tormen0815:

Why do I get inside my mythbackend.log this error message: NVR(/dev/v4l/video1) Error: Can't open vbi device: '/dev/v4l/vbi1' ?

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tormen0815:

(and this: NVR(/dev/v4l/video0) Error: Can't open vbi device: '/dev/v4l/vbi0')

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tormen0815:

the device exists, the permissions and ownership is identical to the /dev/v4l/video0 and video1 device

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kash:

tormen0815: mytharchive aborts when creating a DVD

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tormen0815:

and modprobe bttv tells me: bttv0: registered device vbi0

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kash:

something about not able to get information needed from mytharchivehelper about the stream info

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kash:

:/

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tormen0815:

kash: what does the mytharchive progress.log tell you?

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caffiendo:

Can MythTV be run on a virtual machine; from VMserver?

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tormen0815:

caffiendo: with virtual tv cards?

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xris:

caffiendo: assuming that it has hardware access to devices, it's theoretical

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xris:

theoretically possible.

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caffiendo:

Here is my situation: I have 2 Linux boxes, but my ATI All-In-wonder AGP card is in my XP Pro box

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xris:

except that I don't think there are any virtual system setups that pass tv hardware through

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xris:

caffiendo: that doesn't really work in linux, anyway

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Sedorox:

you could do it.. if the box's sole purpose was transcode/commercial skipper...

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caffiendo:

I want to try out MythTV cuz ATI SUCKS!!

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xris:

caffiendo: what does ATI have to do with mythtv?

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Sedorox:

go on ebay for a cheap nvidia card...

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tormen0815:

xris: maybe with xen it would be possible, or?

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kash:

tormen0815: pastebinning

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Gazo:

ATI driver in linux = poo !

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xris:

tormen0815: nope

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xris:

Gazo: other than that. heh.

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roz:

Gazo: whats your problem with it?

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xris:

tormen0815: xen doesn't share hardware

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roz:

Gazo: I had many issues

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tormen0815:

kash: pastebin-url

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roz:

finally did resolve them though

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kash:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/rFWOQr65.html

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caffiendo:

ATI's multimedia-center never works and crashes systems all the time

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roz:

have no idea what that is caffiendo

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xris:

caffiendo: so use something else. There are plenty of windows-based DVR apps.. sagetv, gbpvr, etc...

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Gazo:

well my problem is that with my x200 on my laptop I can't get enable opengl in ubuntu .. cause ati's drivers have a bug (that's been around for almost a year now) .. ati blows goats ..

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caffiendo:

what is a good linux capture card?

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kash:

PVR-X50

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tormen0815:

kash: :-)

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xris:

caffiendo: or a firewire port if you have digital cable.

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caffiendo:

thanks

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tormen0815:

kash: what reencoding did you choose for your .nuv files?

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kash:

SP

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caffiendo:

can I record from digital cable box through the firewire port?

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xris:

caffiendo: pvr-150 is your best bet for an encoder card, though... relatively inexpensive, good quality, works great in windows and linux, and it's a hardware encoder so your cpu will thank you.

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Gazo:

hopefully now that amd owns their ass maybe things will change ..

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Sedorox:

ATI's drivers don't have a bug (they are full of them) but the xXXXX series isn't really supported yet, that I recall

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xris:

caffiendo: from an HD box, yes (since you can only get firewire on HD boxes), assuming your cable provider obeys the law.

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caffiendo:

xris: thanks! :)

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kash:

i thought firewire was just for channel change

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xris:

caffiendo: works great with comcast in the seattle area

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Gazo:

well I guess they have only been out for over a year now :P

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xris:

kash: heck no. the whole point was for data.

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caffiendo:

I remember my adelphia box had a firewire.

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Sedorox:

I think so...

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kash:

what's D-VHS

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xris:

kash: vhs tape with a digital signal instead of analog?

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caffiendo:

I miss my HD DVR. Had it from adelphia for FREE! They said tat the HD wasn't working and that the DVR wasn't

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caffiendo:

I proved them wrong, lol. the cable guy couldn't believe it

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kash:

ahh

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kash:

it's HD

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Sedorox:

my current cable box has usb, but not firewire.. has the ports.. but nothing in on the board inside

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kash:

basically a firewire port :p

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kash:

my directv box has it

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xris:

Sedorox: HD box

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xris:

?

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Sedorox:

no.. normal digital box

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xris:

Sedorox: that'd be why, then.

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Sedorox:

yea

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caffiendo:

I've never connected anything to those ports, always curious though.

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Sedorox:

I wish they actually had the port on it tho :/

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xris:

only the HD boxes have firewire, and then sometimes only when you ask (or ask several times, in my case, since it took them two tries to get me a box with ports)

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Sedorox:

does DishTV work over firewire?

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xris:

Sedorox: not unless you want to pay 169time.com a lot of money

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Sedorox:

hmm

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Sedorox:

I didn't know if their boxes (sd or hd) had firewire that worked

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kash:

i use component-in to record HD

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kash:

hm, i didn't know that was a firewire port

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kash:

cool

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Sedorox:

lol

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roz:

I am going to run dual head monitors, both fairly high resolution. I am looking at HD as well for myth. I remember when i first tested HD, my current video card did not support XV at HD resolutions. I would like to stick on the nvidia platform. 3d performance is not a big deal to me. reccomendations?

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siXy:

fanless 7300 working well here

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kash:

i have an 8400

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kash:

my onboard nforce 430 works well for HD output as well

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kash:

i can get up to 1080p

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tormen0815:

kash: hmmm. I tried to do the same yesterday ... but with RJPG and this worked fine. I am trying now with an MPEG4 file...

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kash:

i'm using mpeg4

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xris:

kash: how do you record via component?

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kash:

?

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tormen0815:

kash: yes I saw, thats why I am also trying with mpeg4 now

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kash:

it's in input connections as 'component'

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys :)

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Mattwj2005:

I have a weird problem

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Mattwj2005:

I am getting some garbage on my hdtv recordings

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Mattwj2005:

anyway ideas? I get the signal off of the cable tv

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Weezey:

is there any way to speed up the mysql database?

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Mattwj2005:

put it on a faster computer :)

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kash:

yes

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kash:

buy a better computer

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Mattwj2005:

great minds think alike kash

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Weezey:

2.8GHz dual core with 2GB ram isn't good enough for 800 recordings apparently.

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kash:

:p

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kash:

i've got a 2.4GHz dual core with 8GB of RAM and 3.4TB of recordings

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D-side:

800 recordings is nonsense.

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janneg:

Weezey: what is to slow?

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Weezey:

how long does a reschedule take on yours?

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D-side:

that might be a little more inflammatory than i intended. :)

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cureless:

Weezey: how do you now it's mysql?

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Weezey:

mine's taking 17 seconds.

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kash:

i've probably got 800 episodes of south park

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kash:

:p

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kash:

reschedule takes about 3 seconds

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janneg:

2 seconds

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Weezey:

I think I need more ram.

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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kash:

is yours an intel box?

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Weezey:

yeah

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kash:

no wonder

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kash:

get an AMD dual core

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Mattwj2005:

pretty impressive consider there are not 800 different episodes ;)

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cureless:

that shouldn't be the problem.

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janneg:

Weezey: have you ran optimize_db.pl recently

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kash:

they're more suited for high memory bandwidth stuff

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kash:

Mattwj2005: exxagheration

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kash:

:)

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Mattwj2005:

just giving you a hard time :)

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kash:

i need a new monitor :(

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kash:

this one's starting to give out

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Weezey:

does the movie count as an episode?

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janneg:

if you use EIT exclusively, run mythfilldatabase

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kash:

which movie?

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Mattwj2005:

sure why not

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Weezey:

kash: I've got some sweet CRTs to get rid of.

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Weezey:

kash: the south park movie.

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kash:

Weezey: i was looking into getting an LCD

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kash:

Weezey: yeah, there's two

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Weezey:

bigger longer and uncut and ?

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kash:

i thought there was two

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kash:

nevermind

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Weezey:

there's team america

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kash:

yeah

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Weezey:

but it's not really south park

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kash:

but i hate that movie

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D-side:

how can you hate that movie?!

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Weezey:

i see.

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kash:

i'm indian

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Mattwj2005:

south park is good....every once and a while they go too far though

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D-side:

kash: and...

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kslater:

I get an error with mythweb pulling back images from my slave backend. Any pointers where to start looking?

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kash:

i was watching the warcraft episode today

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kash:

XD

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Mattwj2005:

but I still watch it :)

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Weezey:

D-side: easily offend.

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xris:

kslater: depends on the error

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kash:

D-side: i just don't like it

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D-side:

fair enough.

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kslater:

xris: getimagesize() [function.getimagesize]: Read error!

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D-side:

i just didn't see what being indian had to do with it, thats why i asked for clarification

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Weezey:

everyone's got different tastes. It's kinda funny that you like South Park and not Team America though.

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kormoc:

I'm not a fan of Team America

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kormoc:

and I enjoy south park

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** kormoc shrugs **

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D-side:

i'm really surprised the two don't go hand in hand.

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kslater:

xris: backend is an HD backend if that matters and I added it after the master had been up and running

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Weezey:

now that I think about it my girlfriend hated Team America but watches South Park everyday.

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kash:

:p

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Mattwj2005:

what would cause bad hd recording besides a bad signal?

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Weezey:

every day too

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kash:

team america is racist humour

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kash:

south park isn't

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Weezey:

nah, she likes racist humour though.

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Mattwj2005:

south park makes fun of everyone...just like Family Guy

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Weezey:

I think she was just pissed that I took her to see it.

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D-side:

i find racist humor wildly hilarious, that explains it. :)

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kash:

team america was retarded though

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kash:

like the kim jong il character and the islamic people

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D-side:

nah, same level of satire

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roz:

is there any way to calculate how much memory is needed on a video card to run a given resolution @ a given bitdepth?

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kash:

roz: ?

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roz:

is 128 MB sufficient to run 2 monitors: 1680x1050 & 1792x1344

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roz:

32 bit color

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cureless:

roz: yes

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cureless:

but depends on what you wan to run on those monitors.

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roz:

not 3d

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cureless:

you'll be fine

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roz:

does an XV window require additional memory?

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roz:

say, i want an HD XV window on top of that

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cureless:

not directly. What you want is not memory, is features, like xvmc

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roz:

does an FX 5200 support an HD XV window? My Geforce 2 will not do an HD XV window

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roz:

what is xvmc?

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Mattwj2005:

the fx 5200 supports xvmc

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cureless:

roz: is acceleration routines for video (short explanation)

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Mattwj2005:

roz http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC

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roz:

right, how is it different than just regular XV?

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Mattwj2005:

you need the correct drive to use it too....knoppmyth and nvidia have it available knoppmyth actually downloads it from nvidia

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Mattwj2005:

bad hdtv recordings any ideas guys?

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Mattwj2005:

some are good some are displaying a bunch of garbage

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cureless:

roz: xvmc involves routines to decode video (mpeg2 video,etc). xv is basically how to access the videomemory (once again, simple explanation)

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Mattwj2005:

all OTA HD from the cable

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roz:

OK that makes sense

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roz:

and the FX5200 supports XvMC. So for fairly "vanilla" usage (dual head high resolution) will I see any advantage from say a 5200 to a 6800?

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cureless:

roz: dunno.

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kash:

a little speed increase

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kash:

pretty much it, though

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Weezey:

okay, I want to set up a myth box to run the TV in my room, but I don't want the myth box in the room. I'm thinking of just running RCA cables and an IR receiver to up there. Anything else I'd need?

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difeta:

I've recently upgraded from .19 to .20 and now my backend will not record anything. However I can watch Live TV. Here is the error I get

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difeta:

2006-11–27 17:29:01.162 TVRec(1): Changing from None to RecordingOnly

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difeta:

2006-11–27 17:29:01.178 TVRec(1): HW Tuner: 1->1

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difeta:

2006-11–27 17:29:01.250 Channel(/dev/video1): SetInputAndFormat() failed

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difeta:

any ideas?

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Mattwj2005:

I figured out my problem....weak signal :(

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Mattwj2005:

my tv is also having problems

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Mattwj2005:

grrr

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Weezey:

difeta: does cat /dev/video1 > /tmp/somerecording.mpg work?

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difeta:

Weezey: Yes it does.

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difeta:

So I at least know that it is not the driver

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livingtm:

i just moved my mythtv data files, and pointed the backend to them. when i run the frontend it tells me it cant find the files...

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livingtm:

are the filenames stored relative to that path?

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Mattwj2005:

do any of you guys have a boaster?

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Mattwj2005:

I think my cable signal is too low because I have divided it too many times :)

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D-side:

I'm my own boaster. I'm the best ever.

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Mattwj2005:

yeah?

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D-side:

yeah that joke went nowhere.

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Mattwj2005:

I think this is why I am getting bad signal on my hdtv signal....do you guys recommend anything?

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livingtm:

anyone knwo what table the filenames are stored in?

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GreyFoxx:

livingtm: recorded, basename column

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livingtm:

GreyFoxx, thx

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D-side:

Mattwj2005: i suggest you spell it right when you google for one. :D

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D-side:

Mattwj2005: but on a more helpful note, no i don't.

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Mattwj2005:

thanks :)

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livingtm:

GreyFoxx, okay stewpid question. mysql command line, how do i select a database

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GreyFoxx:

if you are already in mysql type "use mythconverg;" OR from thecommandline "mysql -uuser -ppassword mythconverg

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GreyFoxx:

"

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livingtm:

GreyFoxx, perfect, thanks.. and that answers my question.. what a dumbass... i had the wrong path :-)

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caffiendo:

Can anyone recommend a good USB 2.0 capture device?

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kslater:

arg – anyone know where I can find the frequency for a channel in my local area?

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Mattwj2005:

why do you need that kslater?

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Mattwj2005:

do you know the channel number and where are you looked?

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kslater:

I should be able to get it considering I get two others in the same vicinity

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kslater:

The channel number is 48 or 11.1

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Mattwj2005:

you in the us?

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kslater:

I need the freq to test tuning it with the dvb-apps azap program before I add it to the lineup

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kslater:

yes

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Mattwj2005:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_c . . . _frequencies

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kslater:

Western PA

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kslater:

get out

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kslater:

fricking Google is becoming less useful by the day

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Mattwj2005:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_b . . . _frequencies

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Mattwj2005:

meet my friend Wikipedia :)

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kslater:

ah

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kslater:

but that's ntsc, not atsc info which is what I need

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Mattwj2005:

does this help at all?

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Mattwj2005:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_televisi . . . el_number%29

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Mattwj2005:

it looks like the digital channels broadcast on alternative analog frequencies

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Mattwj2005:

"In many regions, the allocation of new digital TV channels is focused on channels 7–13, 15–19, 21–36 and 38–51, although some of the more crowded television markets use other channels as available. Through virtual channel numbering, many digital TV stations appear to be on the same channel they used previously. For example, a station that originally broadcast on channel 4 but now has a digital signal available on channel 32 will

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Mattwj2005:

I found that here -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_b . . . _frequencies

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kash:

yeah

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kash:

virtual channels

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kash:

like 26.1

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Mattwj2005:

yeah kash I can't find anything

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Gazo:

man does mythtv ever take a while to build from source :P

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Gazo:

that or comp is just gutless :P

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human39:

Gazo, on my 1gz machine it taks approx. 30 minutes.

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human39:

I think 512k memory.

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Gazo:

ok .. thanks .. mine should be faster because it has MMX extension in the processor ( :P just kidding )

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Gazo:

agg it borked ..

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Gazo:

dam tv_rec.cpp

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Cybertoy:

this mythtv stuff is driving me nuts.. :)

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Gazo:

haha join the club :P

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Cybertoy:

every day or so I get a bit further...

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Cybertoy:

one day it'll work.

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noct3rn:

I have an E6600 Core 2 Duo system as a frontend, Nvidia drivers w/XvMC, and I am getting jumpy video and/or audio for HD. My Macbook Pro running the OS X frontend has none of the same issues. On the Core 2 system, both CPU's run 35–50% during HD playback. Without XvMC, it seems slightly better than with. Front end runs Ubuntu. I've got another, Ubuntu, 3.2 ghz pentium D with an ATI card that seems to run HD fine. Any thoughts o

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kash:

jeez

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kash:

80 things in my job queue

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kash:

:o

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damkor:

hi there

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damkor:

how can I take a screenshot with a movie running in mythtv?

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damkor:

(I guess this is an OSD related problem)

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balc:

OK, i already added this to the suggestion are of the wiki but i wanted to bring it up in live chat

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balc:

Despite the fact that you can probably sort of do it already with DSlinux and lynx, someone needs to slap together a DS homebrew app that lets you interact with mythTV

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Captain_Murdoch:

damkor: you need to run mythfrontend like "NO_XV=1 mythfrontend" that will turn off all accelerated output including XVideo so you can get a screenshot.

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balc:

I'm sure this has been thought of b4, but imagine it, small remote size, wireless, and endless menu possibilities, button/stylus control, its the perfect remote!

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balc:

it woulnd take much to create this...

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balc:

wouldnt

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balc:

nobody has any thoughts/comments on this?

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eido:

hi folks – my ring buffer is showing only about 4 minutes of capacity. i thought it was because i was short of disk space, but i deleted a bunch of recordings (now 35+ gig free), but the buffers still the same size.

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Shikkie:

balc, i thought of doing that with pda today

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mattsnicebot:

My pvr150 card has composite (video,audio-left,audio-right) input on the back. Could someone recommend a URL or search words that would help me configure it? I'm not having any luck atm.

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mattsnicebot:

ok, I got the input working, but I don't want to be able to change channels on that input... it seems confusing (there's a vcr hooked up to it). Any tips?

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damkor:

thanks Captain_murdoch

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mattsnicebot:

ooohhh yuck. It's buffering the video which makes fast forwarding and etc really not easy.

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xris:

mattsnicebot: ?

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mattsnicebot:

xris: I'm configuring an input (not the tuner) for connecting a vcr

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xris:

it's not buffering, it's encoding.

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mattsnicebot:

I'm trying to make it a: not buffer, and b: not have the ability to change channels, since there are no channels

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xris:

well, it's also buffering, but it's playing back as fast as it can.

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xris:

afk, wife calling for dinner.

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mattsnicebot:

ok

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scott__:

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crweb:

I don't understand the last line of the dvd transcode doc. Do i replace mythtv-backend with mtd?

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robbins876:

Anyone familiar with IP tables and the problems they may cause?

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bfree:

problems? how did you setup your iptables rules? "iptables -L" will list your rules and "iptables -F" should drop them all (but if you have rules you probably don't want to do that)

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robbins876:

My browsing is going really slowly... The IP tables are the only things I've changed today, so I assume that's what's causing it

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bfree:

then I guess you have to start by looking at what you changed ... try going back and see if things improve (if not at least you know it's not your iptables)

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robbins876:

i did that -F command, it was just for azeurus and it seems to have made a difference

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bfree:

well if you did the -F you have no iptables anymore (e.g. no firewall) so if you really needed one in the first place you might have to sort that out :-P

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robbins876:

i'm fine with no firewall... stupid things...

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WhiteRabt:

I just installed mythtv onto a clean ubuntu install with the proprietary nvidia drivers from apt-get... the video playback is kindof jerky on my AthlonXP 1700+ with a bt878 card... anything i should be looking at?

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WhiteRabt:

I'm hoping i can smooth it out without having to buy a pvr card, although i do intend to get one of those as well

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lotia:

any ivtv users on?

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banyan:

I'm an ivtv user...

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lotia:

anyone using an hdtv 3000 card along with a pvr500/pvr150?

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banyan:

Not I.

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banyan:

Is there a word that sums up "deliberately obtuse"? I thought Ignoramus did, but I don't believe it really does.

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WhiteRabt:

anyone using bt8x8 cards anymore?

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WhiteRabt:

:( my cpu is at 100%

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xris:

someone here still running an old version of ffmpeg?

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tafryn:

Hey channel, is there a currently accepted 'best' capture card for mythTV?

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xris:

tafryn: depends on what you're going to capture

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aevil:

satellite, antenna, cable, dvb or not dvb?

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tafryn:

cable at the moment

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xris:

tafryn: digital, analog, american, european?

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tafryn:

analog, american

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xris:

pvr-150

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tafryn:

hauppauge?

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xris:

y

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tafryn:

the later models haven't impoved anything over the earlier ones?

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xris:

150 is new

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xris:

well, newer

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xris:

and yes, it's slightly better than the 250/350 encoders... better comb filter or something like that.

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xris:

pvr-500 is just two 150's stuck together..

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tafryn:

ah

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xris:

and video-out on the 350 isn't worth thew 3–4x in cost.

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tafryn:

so, if I were to be looking at newegg's offerings and noticed that four products sport the 'pvr-150' name which one should I go with? they all look a little different.

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xris:

and they are

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xris:

mce has no remote and different audio inputs, retail has a remote and costs more, low profile is like the mce, but low profile

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xris:

I'd recommend the MCE version from buy.com, though. can't beat that $20 coupon for using google checkout.

[08:02:52]

xris:

or the retail version if you want an ok remote

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xris:

actually, it looks like the microsoft mceusb remote. that one is decent

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anxt:

i am using dvorak

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anxt:

so hard to switch

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anxt:

dvorak is superior

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anxt:

i have used for 2 hours

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xris:

now just imagine the trouble you'll have when you have to borrow someone else's computer for awhile.

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tafryn:

it really isn't that bad. If you already know qwerty well then it only takes a few moments to get back into it.

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xris:

dunno. it's a pain the neck for me to go to a non-ergo keyboard now.

[08:19:40]

tafryn:

well ergo and non-ergo are a whole different can of worms

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xris:

heh

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tafryn:

also, if you're going to be using a computer for any length of time you can just switch it to dvorak and switch it back when you're done

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tafryn:

it's pretty simple, even in windows

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xris:

never looked into it

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tafryn:

I've been using dvorak for a couple years now, and I find it suits me better then qwerty for what it's worth. But it's terrible with stuff that was designed for qwerty like vi/vim and nethack

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xris:

heh

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xris:

yeah, coding looks like it could be annoying

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xris:

: and ; in the lower left, my weakest point.

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tafryn:

meh, use ruby, it doesn't require ';'s :-p

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anxt:

lol

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anxt:

i dont wanna use other comp

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anxt:

then again i wear panties on my head, so i might non be a role model=

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tafryn:

so, the schedule information, that stuff is out there waiting for me to read it right? I don't have to do anything special to have access to it?

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xris:

tafryn: read the docs

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xris:

labs.zap2it.com

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tafryn:

I will, thanks

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anxt:

i am drunk learning dvorak

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tafryn:

well I don't think that's going to stick

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recurs|ve:

anxt: dvorak rocks

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recurs|ve:

have fun with it

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recurs|ve:

it took me about a week

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recurs|ve:

xris: actually, im a better coder and a slower typer with dvorak

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anxt:

recurs|ve: this is my first day

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recurs|ve:

anxt: im saying stick with it, it pays off, imo

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** xris would require stickers on the keyboard to learn it **

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anxt:

recurs|ve: that is the plan

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recurs|ve:

anxt: its a bitch to switch back though, so i got a keyboard and travel with it :) — TypeMatrix (http://www.typematrix.com/ezr2030/dvorak.html)

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anxt:

i am getting cts

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recurs|ve:

?? cts?

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anxt:

carpal tunnel

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xris:

anxt: numb fingers?

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recurs|ve:

oh lol, thought it was a company that sold keyboards. i was having numb wrists and fingers, and its all gone now

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** xris wishes his RSI was as easily fixed as CT **

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anxt:

yep

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recurs|ve:

took a month to get rid of all symptoms

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xris:

recurs|ve: I'm jealous

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xris:

been struggling with mine for over a year now.

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xris:

freaked-out ulnar nerve + tennis elbow + golf elbow

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recurs|ve:

heh, i actually had to quit counterstrike 2 years ago because of numbness

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recurs|ve:

xris: im a powerlifter, so ailments are my specialty

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anxt:

lol

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xris:

maybe I'll borrow the label printer from work and test dvorak for awhile.

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anxt:

i bench 200

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recurs|ve:

anxt: 600, 375, 580

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recurs|ve:

squat, bench, dead

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anxt:

but i am fat

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recurs|ve:

ah, i see, i was 285 at the beginning of summer, im now 195

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recurs|ve:

that is what getting the fuck out of college will do to someone, scare em healthy

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anxt:

bench 375 Z

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anxt:

wtf

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recurs|ve:

need to get to 415 to set a record

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xris:

ok, time to sleep.

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recurs|ve:

heh, i must go get a soda and more pizza and a drink :) — calories are your friend

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recurs|ve:

alright, im out, have an early appointment

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recurs|ve:

anxt: have fun with your drunk

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recurs|ve:

and gl with dv

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triceratops:

after tha last system update mythtvbackend don't start anymore. Error message is: '"Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed'. There was no update of mythtv packages.

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tormen0815:

Hi. Are there more options then %DIR% and %FILE% available for the (user) commands that can be defined inside mythtv-setup? (I tried to find doku about this, but had no luck yet)

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juski:

try the wiki

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juski:

there's %STARTTIME% %CHANID% %ENDTIME% & a few more

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tormen0815:

I tried the wiki, searching for "user job" "user command" "%DIR%"...

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juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Jobs

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tormen0815:

juski: With your "STARTTIME" I also just found it... but the search at the wiki page is really not so good, or?

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juski:

I searched for 'user jobs'

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juski:

if at first you don't succeed, alter your search parameters instead of giving up

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tormen0815:

I mean with searching for "job" I should find 'user jobs', or?

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tormen0815:

But if I search for job, I find /nothing/...

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tormen0815:

?

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tormen0815:

juski: but thnx I will try to adapt :-)

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jave:

ive manage to install a theme that dodesnt work, theres no text, and missing images. how can I revert to a working theme?

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tormen0815:

within myth-setup I set the mythtranscode command to: /usr/bin/nice -n 19 mythtranscode (like I did for the mythcommflag command). If I now start a transcoding via the mythfrontend, the mythbackend.log tells me:

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tormen0815:

JobQueue: Running command: '/bin/nice -n 19 mythtranscode'

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tormen0815:

so all the normal parameters are /missing/ like: -j 285 -V 4245 -p autodetect ?!

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tormen0815:

Am I supposed to add them with the user-job argument variables manually?!

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tormen0815:

or is this a bug?

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tormen0815:

what does -V for mythtranscode do? (it is not documented via --help nor on the wiki page)

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Captain_Murdoch:

-V is used to pass the numeric value of the lowercase -v command line option that was used to when starting mythbackend/mythjobqueue. it runs the child with the same verbose options as the parent.

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juski:

jave: what theme?

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juski:

you can try mythfrontend --reset though

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tormen0815:

Captain_Murdoch: OK... I was just trying to figure it out, because I also got the idea that %VERBOSELEVEL% is the numerical value of the -v string... thnx!

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juski:

and jave it's likely that the theme you tried is missing its base.xml file. use the most up to date version of it or hassle its creator

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tormen0815:

Captain_Murdoch: thnx! :-)

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jave:

juski: thtanks ill try mythfrontend --reset

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jave:

I use the atrpm packages, and it was the retro theme

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jave:

I will try to upgrade the rpms first

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juski:

any projectgrayhem / blootube users seeing high cpu usage? had a report for each theme accusing it of causing high CPU utilisation but I can't see how that has anything to do with the theme

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Captain_Murdoch:

tormen0815: -V and -j are undocumented since they're normally only used by the JobQueue.

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tormen0815:

Captain_Murdoch: but I hope by calling /bin/nice -n 19 mythtranscode -j %JOBID% -V %VERBOSELEVEL% -p %TRANSPROFILE% it will work fine for every possible call of mythtranscode (by the backend)...

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tormen0815:

Captain_Murdoch: not that mythbackend or a plugin gets the variable for the trancoder command and tries to use it for its own purposes --> tries to call the transcoder command with its own parameters like --mpeg2 --honorcutlist...

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tormen0815:

Captain_Murdoch: ...because then it would be a problem to have set FIX commandline parameters within mythtv-setup for the Transcoder command...

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Captain_Murdoch:

mythtranscode already runs at a nice(17) if you set your JobQueue CPU usage setting to LOW.

[11:17:17]

Captain_Murdoch:

the setting is to allow you to override the command that the JobQueue would have used, it's not meant to be as powerful as the JobQueue. if you're overriding the command, it expects your script to take care of anything you can't hardcode on the command line.

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Captain_Murdoch:

the JobQueue will pass a "-l" on the command line if it wants mythtranscode to honor the cutlist.

[11:18:12]

Captain_Murdoch:

command = QString("%1 -j %2 -V %3 -p %4 %5")

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Captain_Murdoch:

.arg(path).arg(jobID).arg(print_verbose_messages)

[11:18:12]

Captain_Murdoch:

.arg(profilearg.ascii()).arg(useCutlist ? "-l" : "");

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tormen0815:

Captain_Murdoch: Thats a good point: Because if I select a Playllist and then use Transcode on the PLAYLIST, I am NOT asked for a profile AND there is NO -l added to the commandline of Transcode – but if I start Transcode directly on one recording, there is a -l ?!

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tormen0815:

Captain_Murdoch: Bug or Feature? :-)

[11:23:22]

Captain_Murdoch:

look at the flags in the jobqueue table for those recordings, they all should be set the same. the playlist code does pass in the "use cutlist" flag to tell the jobqueue to pass the -l to mythtranscode.

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Captain_Murdoch:

why do you need nice(19), is 17 not good enough?

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tormen0815:

Captain_Murdoch: For me mythtranscode is at nice level 8 ?

[11:29:14]

Captain_Murdoch:

if you set your JobQueue CPU setting to Low or Medium, the JobQueue executes "nice(17);" before calling mythtranscode.

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Captain_Murdoch:

user jobs run at nice(17) for Low and nice(10) for Medium.

[11:30:07]

Captain_Murdoch:

mythcommflag runs at nice(17) with either Low or Medium

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Captain_Murdoch:

anyway, I need to go back to bed, had to be up for a while to work, but that is done now. sorry I can't help more.

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tormen0815:

Captain_Murdoch: thnx for the infos I will try with "low"... I was not sure, what exactly this does so I tried with nice

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tormen0815:

Captain_Murdoch: I tried it again and set the two command-strings back to default (mythtranscode and mythcommflag). And now it is nice(15) with MEDIUM... now I am confused, because I was really quiet sure, it was nice(8) yesterday...

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tormen0815:

Captain_Murdoch: I think the nice(8) came from transcode started by mytharchive.

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burner:

is there any way to refresh the playlists without having to exit and rerun mythmusic?

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burner:

i have an external app that alters the playlists directly in SQL...

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juski:

nope

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juski:

they're loaded at start time

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burner:

someone with the appropriate skills should have made it possible to reload it while playing.. ;)

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juski:

that someone could be you

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juski:

it's open source after all

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burner:

juski, yeah i know.. if i only found the time to learn C++

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juski:

yeah it's a lot easier for users to whinge isn't it? ;)

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burner:

:)

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burner:

i know PHP, so i'll try to participate on that front :p

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juski:

what've you got that updates the playlists anyway?

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burner:

a webbased frontend

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juski:

interesting. that going well? likely to ever see the light of day?

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burner:

hope so

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juski:

not using anything propriatary I hope ;)

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burner:

a bit of a setback on my enthusiasm that the plugin doesnt refresh though :P

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juski:

mythmusic is long overdue a kick up the backside.. I mean some love

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burner:

oh yes

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juski:

I've been mulling over some ideas when I'm not busy theming & I plan to make some mockups to communicate how it could work much better

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burner:

mhm

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juski:

only 'dumb' mockups, but they'll be a good place for somebody to start. all well & good saying "that sucks" but without qualifying it & specifying _exactly_ how it'd be better if... nobody can be arsed – and that's fully understandable

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burner:

as it is right now, its useless if youve got over 100 songs

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juski:

wouldn't quite go that far

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burner:

allmost :p

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burner:

especially if you dont have a keyboard, only a remote

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juski:

even a tiny thing like moving the selection down to the next one once you've toggled the checkbox would make life easier

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burner:

yes

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juski:

that might even be something **I** could do

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burner:

and queueing a song!

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burner:

without having to search for it

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juski:

how would you do that?

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burner:

when youre playing a song

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juski:

no but how would you queue a song without knowing where it is?

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burner:

no, just by marking it

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juski:

you said 'without searching'

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burner:

yeah, when you're in the active playlist you can press enter to listen to songs, right ?

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juski:

aye

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burner:

and you can press down/up to mark other songs..

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burner:

it want to listen to "REM – Song 1", scroll down to "Someotherband – Song 54" and press queue

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burner:

so that when Song 1 is finished, someotherband will start playing

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burner:

:)

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juski:

I've been wondering for a while how well Amarok would work on a TV running with irxevent

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juski:

I can try it now I've got an ubuntu frontend :)

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juski:

xmms may be an option too

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burner:

yeah, i have thought the same

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burner:

i was wondering about using xmms.. but amarok looks even better

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juski:

easy to launch an app from a menu

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burner:

yeah

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burner:

maybe hard to control it by remote maybe ?

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juski:

worth a go, innit?

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burner:

sure is

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burner:

let me know how it went! then tell me all about how you did it ;)

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burner:

haha

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FooBazz:

hello, are there advantages to using mythtv with directFB?

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seth|laptop:

ack, the dreaded zap2itlabs HD OTA bug got me last night. No data for HD channels, all posting "Unknown", sheesh

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Defend:

hey seth i got a question for ya i have been reading on hd trying to figure out what card to get ect and i believe comcast passes hd for normal chans along with there analog server and was woundering if you had any recomendation for a card

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kambei:

seth|laptop: I have that as well.

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kambei:

For non-HD.

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kambei:

This is the first I've heard of it. Is there a workaround?

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seth|laptop:

well I would recommend what I use, the older version of the air2pc card, however it does not do QAM (or cable provided) HD, only the free to air stuff. However, as the card itself is pretty much plug and play, I would reccommend the newer version the HD5000 or better, I think what I have is revision 2 and the newer rev. 3 or higher, will do what you want. Also, there is much chatter about a new, LAN based dual tuner HD which does OTA and QAM called

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seth|laptop:

kambei: what I did, was go to http://www.zap2it.com (not ;labs.zap2it.com) and put in my zip code, then click the "TV Listings" button, hover the mouse over the channels call sign on the left, and in the link that appears at the bottom of the firefox browser, after "stnNum" portion of it, you should see the xmltvid. I entered this number into mythweb's channel editor, in the blank spot for example stnNum 35511 is the xmltvid number for 33_3 PBS HD

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kambei:

I have to do that for each channel?

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seth|laptop:

unfortunately , yes, unless you can go into your labs.zap2it.com account, delete your old listings, and then recreate them. Then update your tuner card(s) in mythtv-setup, and run mythfilldatabase. This fixed it for my dish network stuff, but did not for my HD. The xmltvid stuff fixed it for that, but in OTA HD I only get 10 channels, so manually entering the number was easy for me :-)

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kambei:

I'll try that first, I guess.

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seth|laptop:

will save you alot of time, and it may just work, both fixes are posted i the forums

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seth|laptop:

so perhaps the redo will suit you better, I know If I had to redo all my dish channels, that would be the suck, to do it by hand, :-(

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kambei:

Where are the forms located?

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seth|laptop:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/236398 for the xmltvid fix method, and for the redo – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/237604

[14:28:14]

kambei:

Thanks so much.

[14:28:36]

kambei:

Can I ask you a couple of HD-related questions?

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seth|laptop:

I can try

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Defend:

:< would you mind giving me a quick over view on the qam and ota hehe i didnt realy understand what is what :/

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kambei:

Okay, I'll wait. :)

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seth|laptop:

always glad to help if I can, lord knows this irc channel is what has got me up and running on more than one occasion

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seth|laptop:

:-)

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Defend:

as a side note hydromorphine leaves u with the worst hanover feeling ever

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Defend:

dont take it unless u have to

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Defend:

bad ass stuff

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seth|laptop:

QAM = usually provided by your cable company, gets good stuff like scifi and disscovery channel in HD, and there is usually always $$ involved. What I do is OTA. Using an antenna rated for HDTV, I get the major networks NBC, ABC,CBS,FOX,PBS, usually with one regular channel in HD, and one Weather channel, I also get the Tube Network Music that is MTV before they ruined it with all the hype, and UPN 15, although I thiunk they changed to CW 15. And th

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Ruleke:

hello folks

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Defend:

hmm

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jduggan:

hello

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Defend:

i though that the cable company often passed like nbc abc ect over the line for free due to the licening or what ever from those stations .. am i wrong? i looked at comcasts site and i did not find any seperate package for there hd and i called them and said i just needed a tunner

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seth|laptop:

this may be true, I do not have cable, but I was told that some channels are encrypted, and this would require a set top box or STB to unencode the signal. The regular network stuff, very well may be free. I cannot answer directly, but I'm sure someone in here is doing just that. Appologies. :-)

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seth|laptop:

but if networks is all you want, just go OTA, my HD OTA cards run about $40 a piece on ebay, every day, and the antenna I got on ebay was like $13, but it gets them all

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Defend:

hehe thanks for the info

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seth|laptop:

np

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Defend:

i dont think i can do an antenta tho

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Defend:

i live in downtown boston

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Defend:

in an aparment

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seth|laptop:

go to http://www.antennaweb.org

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Defend:

cant realy put antenas up

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seth|laptop:

put in your zip and see

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seth|laptop:

oh

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Ruleke:

Oh dear, seems the number of PIDs on one of my transport streams now exceeds the number of HW pid filters of my DVB card... so myth fails to scan it... strange that the "scan" utility still works though...

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Defend:

seth are the antenas like old school tv antennas that you put on to of your house?

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seth|laptop:

well my antenna is approximatley 12" x 10", very low profile, and it worked in my house. I just put it outside for 21_1 as it is VHF and I was having issues, but all the UHF (pretty much everything else) worked while the antenna was laying on the floor. There are also some very good indoor antennas, I tried a phillips from WalMart, however again I ran into the whole 21_1 VHF thing, but everyting else came in great

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stuarta:

Ruleke: the scanner in mythtv-setup?

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Ruleke:

yep

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stuarta:

hmmm, didn't think we opened that many pid's while scanning

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Defend:

hmm

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Ruleke:

this transport now has 45 PIDs

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Ruleke:

mostly radio though

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Defend:

on this channel list thing what ones are hd?

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Defend:

the dt channels?

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stuarta:

Ruleke: can you email me the output of mythtv-setup --verbose siparser,channel,record

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Ruleke:

no prob

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Ruleke:

could I pastebin it instead ?

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seth|laptop:

Defend: yes, they end in DT

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stuarta:

Ruleke: sure

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Ruleke:

ok one sec

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Defend:

i have 13 on the list

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Defend:

lol

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seth|laptop:

WMPTDT = fox43 HD WPMHDT2 = The Tube Network, at least where I am.

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Ruleke:

stuarta: checked the source code of my driver, I hit a case for handles > 32...

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seth|laptop:

they show up in myth as 43_1 and 43_2

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Defend:

hmm

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Defend:

so what are these antenas called

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stuarta:

Ruleke: probably just reflects the hardware limitation

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Ruleke:

stuarta: yep

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Defend:

just google hd indoor hd antena

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Defend:

?

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Ruleke:

though I didn't think they all needed to be filtered at once.. ?

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stuarta:

Ruleke: not while scanning, no, which is why i'm surprised.

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seth|laptop:

the internal ones at walmart say, HDTV right on the box, but if your an ebayer like me, just type HDTV antennas into the advanced search, you will find quite the assortment

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Ruleke:

:-/

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seth|laptop:

HDTV antennas in google will work as well

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Ruleke:

It would be nice if you could do all this scanning etc from commandline :P

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** seth|laptop google rocks **

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Ruleke:

X over ssh over tunnel is slow :P

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stuarta:

Ruleke: yep, been thinking about that. ENOTIME

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opello:

Ruleke: don't forget to enable compression :)

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Ruleke:

I did :)

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Ruleke:

socks tunnel over https proxy to a intermediate server :P

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Ruleke:

ugh

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Ruleke:

the things we do to be able to do any "work" in the office

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Ruleke:

also, it's just slow at starting the interface up, after that it's smooth

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Ruleke:

it just shows the background, not real sure what it's doing

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Ruleke:

stuarta : http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git . . . pci/av7110.c line 820 is the limit anyway

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Ruleke:

stuarta: yikes it seems to try a few times, lots of output... nothing that jumps out though... pasting now

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Torg:

does anyone know why my BE would stop commflagging automaticly?

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janneg:

stuarta: the scanner uses dvbsiganlmonitor and shouldn't fail with limited pid filters. I can try when I get home

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Ruleke:

it does try to clean up the PIDfilters as I can see in the log

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Ruleke:

and it's a LOT of thme

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Ruleke:

them*

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** Ruleke curses at the slow connection **

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janneg:

Ruleke: dvbscan will never use more thann 27 filters

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Ruleke:

hmmz

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Ruleke:

you could be right

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Ruleke:

28 being cleaned up here

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Ruleke:

though it failed to create the rest in the first place

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Ruleke:

about 20 more

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Ruleke:

Error: Failed to set TS filter

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janneg:

Ruleke: which mythtv version do you use?

[15:12:38]

Ruleke:

0.20-fixes

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stuarta:

janneg: was thinking that, as well as we should never be even opening lots of pids when scanning.

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Ruleke:

gah I promise I can send the log some time :P

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janneg:

stuarta: I'm not sure if the scanner opens all pmt pids at once

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stuarta:

janneg: it shouldn't need to, IIRC it opens NIT, SDT, MGMT, VCT pids

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janneg:

there are multiplexes with >50 streams

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stuarta:

ah, but i believe it then opens the PMT pids for each channel. hrm.

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Ruleke:

ok have the log now

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Torg:

the PMT isnt being opend on scan

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stuarta:

there's one way to find out, lets see that log

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Ruleke:

lol its 700kb

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Ruleke:

:/

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stuarta:

ahh, email pls.

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Ruleke:

http://pastebin.ca/260609

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Ruleke:

not sure what it did

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Ruleke:

if it pasted all :P

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Ruleke:

I think it did

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stuarta:

yup it tries to add the pids for the PMTs

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Ruleke:

yep

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Ruleke:

line 153

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stuarta:

!trout the_scanner PID stealing

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** MythLogBot slaps the_scanner with a PID stealing trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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Ruleke:

erm so now what :)

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Ruleke:

there are some new channels that are free for 1 month :)

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stuarta:

hack it comes to mind.

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Ruleke:

whereabouts

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stuarta:

siscan.cpp is a good starting point

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Ruleke:

isn't it in the signal monitor ?

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** janneg suspects scanstreamdata.cpp **

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stuarta:

though we control what the scanner is doing through siscan

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janneg:

the failing function is in dvbsignalmonitor but see stuarta

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janneg:

if it is in siscan.cpp look for HandlePAT

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Ruleke:

yeah I'm there

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Ruleke:

it just opens up to ProgramCount

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stuarta:

i'm thinking it won't need to open those....

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janneg:

does HandlePAT does something?

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Ruleke:

I was wondering what it's for :P

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stuarta:

i'm just trying to work out what info we are trying to get out of the PMT

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Ruleke:

mpeg scan ? huh ?

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janneg:

argh s/HandlePAT/HandlePMT/

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stuarta:

I think it's from the MPEG fallback

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Ruleke:

janneg: hmm ?

[15:31:01]

Ruleke:

misnamed you mean

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stuarta:

Ruleke: no there are two similarly named functions

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juski:

is there a PMT filter for those of us with partners too?

[15:31:44]

Ruleke:

as there are similar acronyms all over in DVB

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Ruleke:

:)

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stuarta:

janneg: vodka

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stuarta:

juski: vodka

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stuarta:

sorry janned

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** stuarta examines his fingers... **

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juski:

heh

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janneg:

there is no HandlePAT

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Ruleke:

there is

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Ruleke:

line 217 of sicscan.cpp

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stuarta:

it's definitely HandlePAT that's doing it.

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stuarta:

Ruleke: comment out the bit that does foreach(program) addPid(programPID) or similar

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** stuarta suspects it might be an idea to look at the code. **

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Ruleke:

might be

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janneg:

argh, not again, I meant HandlePMT

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Ruleke:

want me to fetch you an URL ? :)

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stuarta:

nope. 0.20-fixes for you isn't it?

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Ruleke:

yep

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janneg:

stuarta: the PMTs are never used. HandlePMT is a nop

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stuarta:

Ruleke: one sec, i'll have a patch

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Ruleke:

cool

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stuarta:

http://pastebin.ca/260632

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stuarta:

try that :)

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Ruleke:

crude :)

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stuarta:

yeah, but hopefully effective...

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stuarta:

did i mention "hack it" ?????

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Ruleke:

yeah I wasn't complaining

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stuarta:

:)

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Ruleke:

just that I was hoping to know what HandlePAT does :)

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stuarta:

exactly that. Handles the PAT (Program Association Table)

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Ruleke:

yeah but it doesn't seem to do much with it

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Ruleke:

I mean why would it need the PID filters

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stuarta:

it's used in the MPEG fallback scanning

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Ruleke:

that's the part I don't get really

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stuarta:

it's somewhat broken

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Ruleke:

ah well

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Ruleke:

recompiling

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Ruleke:

this is on the superslow backend :P

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stuarta:

should only be a single file compile and a relink

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** stuarta goes to get a cup of tea... **

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Ruleke:

yeah except it isn't :/

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Ruleke:

in fact I think I'll do a clean just to be sure

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Ruleke:

I think I pulled in some changesets a while ago

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janneg:

make -C libs/libmythtv

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janneg:

stuarta: the relink is heavy

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Ruleke:

also, it's almost time to go home, so I'll test from home in 1 hour or so

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stuarta:

Ruleke: sure, i'll be for about the next hour and a bit

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Ruleke:

I can try it right now with just a global make

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Ruleke:

should be ok

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stuarta:

for that change a clean won't be needed

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Ruleke:

yeah just wondering about other changes I might have pulled in

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Ruleke:

some other stuff got recompiled and linked too

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Ruleke:

tho mythv-setup doesn't even use it maybe :P

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Ruleke:

the gui just takes ages to be ready

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kambei:

seth|laptop: You are a genius.

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kambei:

seth|laptop: You must have an IQ in excess of 190.

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quicksilver:

everyone in IRC has IQs > 190. It's official.

[16:03:08]

kambei:

Not me, apparently.

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Torg:

I have one in excess of 1.9 does that count :)

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kambei:

It's a start.

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Ruleke:

only devided by the means

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Ruleke:

what's with this gui

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Ruleke:

argh

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** stuarta wonders what is the collected IQ of this channel. 42? **

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Torg:

aggregate total? somewhere over 10 I think

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seth|laptop:

kambei: I am glad it worked, but the credit goes to the forums, I can only honestly pass on the info in an attemot to help, but thanks for the vote of confidence. :-)

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Torg:

seth is my hearo :)

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seth|laptop:

s/attemot/attempt

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seth|laptop:

see what I mean

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** seth|laptop can't even type **

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Ruleke:

stuarta: SDT: Error determing what transport this service table is associated with so failing

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Ruleke:

:(

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seth|laptop:

and a question is raised, can one preform a channel scan via the command line?

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Torg:

ok Ive gone though every option in the backend and frontend and even checked the settings table. it is set to autocommfalg, not restricted to the recodring hosts, and I have mythjobqueue running on the FE. Still I can not get the BE to automaticly flagg commericals. Is there some damn setting Im overlooking?

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seth|laptop:

s/preform/preform

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Ruleke:

don't think so

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stuarta:

hmm

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Torg:

setth eg atscscan/azap?

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seth|laptop:

Torg: worth a shot

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Ruleke:

seth|laptop: scan works, just not the one in mythtv-setup here :/

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Torg:

I use azap to see what my tuner can tune to as I have more then one pid that has no information and quite a few that are encrypted. Not withstanding are the 20 or so spanish and religious channels I have no desire to watch

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seth|laptop:

Torg: I had this problem, it was resolved by stopping mythjobqueue on the master back, manually running the mythjobqueue command on the slave back, and then manually running it again on the front, this is not a fix, but it resolved my issue

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Torg:

ok seth I rebooted the boxes multiple times, I would think that would fix it

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seth|laptop:

then they were fighting over who got to flag what

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juski:

seth|laptop: credit? to forums? never mythtvtalk.com surely

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Torg:

the irritating thing is there is no indication of any error, it simply does not work

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Torg:

teh job queue is empty and the be faithfully tells me it recorded stuff

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seth|laptop:

juski: hehe

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Torg:

btw seth do you do any transcoding?

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seth|laptop:

Torg: only for DVD importing

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seth|laptop:

was never really successful with tv recordings

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Torg:

I want to transocde my ATSC into mpeg2, or more prcidese clean them

[16:15:10]

Torg:

I get recogsin with bad MV, and IBP errors all the time

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Torg:

so what Id like to do is clean, filter and export it back to mpeg2 (so when I take them on my laptop, it dsont hang on them)

[16:16:00]

Torg:

but thats a secondary problem to the "I dont wana schedule a commflag"

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Torg:

any of the times I tell it to transcode mpeg2 to mpeg2 it simply does a copy, errors and all

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Torg:

so I wonderd if there was a look dont transcode the thing, just make it compliant

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seth|laptop:

well I noticed last night while watching Deal or NoDeal, I paused it to go for some food, and then started playing it back (mind you I record this for the wife) and it was auto comm skipping, but the slave BE was doing the commflagging

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Torg:

I just wish it would flagg at all :)

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juski:

a likely story

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juski:

recording it for the wife indeed

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Torg:

and we all know you watch Deal or NoDeal, own up to it :P

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seth|laptop:

hehe

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juski:

although this is coming from the guy who has incriminating programme titles in screenshots of his themes

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seth|laptop:

i injected that bit, to show that I default commflag everything, and the HD frontend/master back, was being commflagged by the slave. :-)

[16:19:11]

** juski makes a note to pixellate screenshots next time **

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seth|laptop:

anyways, juski's screen shots make me want to move to the UK, hehe

[16:19:27]

juski:

for what?

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Torg:

id actually prefer if my FE flaged everything and not eh BE that recoded it

[16:19:35]

juski:

torchwood? it's bollocks is that

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seth|laptop:

programme-ing

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Torg:

seth if you watch british tv for a while, you wouldnt want that

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seth|laptop:

hehe

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Torg:

it may sound stupid but the thing I noticed the most wile living in other counties is I miss our american tv, mostly the commericals

[16:20:32]

Torg:

and it wasnt just me

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Defend:

lol

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Defend:

i missed understanding what was going on :/

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fysa:

haha

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seth|laptop:

well the foreign coountries I've been to, we didn't watch tv, although I hear it was available in the command tents, hehe ;-)

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fysa:

yeah, try living in India for three months.

[16:21:32]

Defend:

i do like the verity of food and cafes better tho

[16:21:35]

Torg:

try living in Korea for 3 years

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juski:

I miss being made to watch 'Friends' – my fave episode is "the one where Ross is a pussy you want to murder"

[16:22:00]

juski:

oh wait – that's _every_ episode

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fysa:

Korea is hardly still "third-world." :P

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Torg:

try watching 3 year old McGiver eppisodes in english with koran subtitles :P

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seth|laptop:

yeah juski, they really need to work on their program descriptions, hehe

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seth|laptop:

titles rather

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seth|laptop:

Friends "The one where Ross dates Joey", hehe

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Torg:

adn juski its not that I have anything aginst british tv, but the best thing I can say about the tv I got when I lived in London is the pub was great!

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seth|laptop:

BTW juski, the 1.3 version of blootube, nice job

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Defend:

i love friends lol

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Torg:

im still using 1.2

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juski:

ooo don't expect any support then

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wireddd:

the mythtv script for xbmc says that my settings test correctly, but it says connection to server failed when I try and do anything. is there something I missed

[16:24:28]

Torg:

support? thats a joke right :P

[16:24:33]

juski:

nobody seeing 100% cpu usage with the theme then?

[16:24:44]

Torg:

no it just easts abotu 2x memory

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Torg:

I can run two instances of mythfrotnend on the same box and it still dosnt eat CPU (well not unless I actually watch a recording or live tv)

[16:26:27]

Torg:

and I cant really say if its the theme that makes it larger as its private area in pmap (at least I think the area is the theme)

[16:27:49]

juski:

it's definitely more memory hungry, and that's cos the graphics are much bigger than any other theme

[16:28:05]

juski:

and no, making em jpeg wouldn't improve it either

[16:28:33]

Torg:

yes I figured that. I have memory to spare tho so it dosnt really worry me at this point

[16:29:15]

juski:

well if anyone whines I'll just ignore them

[16:29:32]

juski:

oh, it hangs your xbox you say?

[16:29:36]

juski:

pfft

[16:29:41]

Torg:

the only thing I notice wrong with it, and I dont think it sthe theme, is the screen repaint

[16:29:47]

fysa:

did you retheme mythvideo too, juski?

[16:29:49]

juski:

screen repaint?

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juski:

fysa: ish

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Torg:

yes if I move from screen to screen in the FE, like to the settings, the FE does not repaint the display. So I get stale text on text

[16:30:33]

fysa:

please tell me you left it as only two columns and not three.

[16:30:34]

Torg:

its most ntable when the next menu has less elements the the first

[16:30:46]

Torg:

and it only happend on the FE menus, not any of the settings

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juski:

fysa: 3 columns? wha?

[16:31:08]

fysa:

mythcenter-wide is three columns in mythvideo. :/

[16:31:17]

juski:

didn't know video had gone to 3. I think someone hacked mythmusic to be 3 columns

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juski:

sucky

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fysa:

mythcenter is only two though.

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juski:

I've never used mythcenter in real life

[16:34:16]

juski:

was tempting this time around to get really lazy & just change backgrounds, colours & a few icons. but that's boring ;)

[16:37:16]

juski:

it was also tempting to keep it to myself – once you post about it online though there's never any going back.

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kslater:

Torg I was surprised to see that all backends could participate in running mythcommflag

[16:46:06]

Torg:

only one can flagg at a time

[16:46:09]

kslater:

In parallel would be better of course

[16:46:13]

Torg:

what id love is to distribute the load

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Ruleke:

stuarta: hometime ;)

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GreyFoxx:

I htought they would do it in parallel. Seperate recordings of course, but multiple at the same time

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Torg:

it takes 15 mins to compile mythtv and mythplugins, and it takes 20 mins to flagg one 1hr recording, go figure

[16:47:28]

Torg:

yes GreyFoxx I can flagg, am flaggin, three at once now. But one on each seperate system

[16:47:41]

kslater:

flagging can also begin before the recording ends, so that helps some

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GreyFoxx:

Ok, I thought you were saying it wouldn't do that

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Torg:

kslater I wish it would

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kslater:

I thought it already did?

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Torg:

I cant get my BE to autoflagg, I have to do them by ahnd

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kslater:

swear there is an option for that

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Torg:

yes there is an option for that :)

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Torg:

yes I have it set?

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Torg:

no the log does not give an error, no it does not work. yes it used to work, it does not any more

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stuarta:

Torg: once in the profile and once on the recording rule?

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Torg:

do I know why? nope

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lotia:

hi folks anyone using a pvr-500 and a pchdtv 3000 on the same machine using linux 2.6.18?

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kslater:

sorry to hear that Torg

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Torg:

no I think stuarta has the solution

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Torg:

I recreaded all my schedules and non seem to have autofagg enabled

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kslater:

anyone know where to find the frequency of an HD OTA broadcast in one's local area?

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Torg:

its enabled gloabally in the settings, not on the recordings

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kslater:

aha

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Torg:

kslater those are standard

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Torg:

where do you live?

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kslater:

so someone on channel 48, will always be on the standard freq that's in the dvb-apps atsc center channel list?

[16:51:20]

kslater:

Mars, PA to answer your question

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Torg:

yes except they may remap 48 to 49

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Torg:

you tune to channel 48, it shows up as 49 tho

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Torg:

stations can lie about what is in the channel, and in my area do

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kslater:

like this station is known as 11 historically and although on channel 48 HD, they show it as 11.1?

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Torg:

yes

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Torg:

my CBS station shows up as 11.1 its actauly 48, my pbs statition shows up as 13.1 its actauly 14

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kslater:

I can't figure why I don't get this channel. I get 2 others in the same direction at the same power and within 1 degree in direction

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Torg:

because not all antennae brodcast in the same pattern

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Torg:

so for example I can get my cbs staiton with near perfect reeption, the fox antenna on the same exact physical tower, I can not see

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kslater:

interesting

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Torg:

the differnce is the abc antenna bcasts in an omidirectional pattern, while fox is directional. And its nearly the opposite direction of me

[16:55:43]

Torg:

you can see all of this from antennaweb.org and fcc.org

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Torg:

in fact I *wish* they bcast exactly opposite of me, as I would get a signal that way :)

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kslater:

antennaweb shows the radiated pattern? I don't think I've seen that there

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Torg:

no antennaweb shows what youc an see, go to fcc.gov to look up the license and they will tell you the pattern

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kslater:

ok, looked at a coverage map last night, it's circular

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kslater:

should cover me

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Torg:

*should* being the operational word, what they dont take into account is hills and obsticles

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kslater:

right

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kslater:

so are there 71 HD OTA channels?

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Torg:

something like that, the thing we call channels however are actualy pids

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Torg:

I htink there are 69 tho, I can go look to be sure

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Torg:

sorry there are 82

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kslater:

ok, maybe my us-ATSC-center-channel table is incomplete?

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Torg:

no, it should give you all that you can posibly recieve

[17:03:23]

kslater:

I only have 69 listed in there (2 header lines)

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Torg:

its currect then, im simply looking at the few designation chart

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seth|laptop:

wow I only get like 12 channels

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seth|laptop:

HD

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Torg:

seth so do we, hes talking about the channels as in the frequencies

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seth|laptop:

oh

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Torg:

not what they have, if there is signal, or the pids

[17:05:22]

seth|laptop:

whew!, thought I needed a bigger antenna there for a second

[17:05:35]

Torg:

like I said earlier when we talk about channels we are actualy menaing pis, not channels

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Torg:

err pids

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Torg:

I recive 5 channels, I get 12 program feads from those 5 channels (arguably half are nothing but weatehr or sd versions of the HD)

[17:06:38]

Torg:

of those 5 channels many have two ore more pids

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Torg:

but when I talk about my abc staiton, I am talking about pid #40 on channel 8 for example

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seth|laptop:

ah I get it

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seth|laptop:

like fox in my area actually has 2 channels both are 57 on zap2it, but I get them as 43–1 and 43–2 fox and the tube

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kambei:

This question couldn't be more off-topic, but can anyone suggest a place to get dial-up for like, one month?

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Torg:

yes and when I look at abc its cahnel 8.1, 8.2 and 8.3, all are chanel 8 but there are three brodcasts fromt the same station

[17:10:08]

Torg:

kambei why not call a local isp and tell them you want a month to month for one month

[17:10:35]

kambei:

It would need to be nationwide.

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kambei:

I guess I should have mentioned.

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Torg:

I dunno if the old aol trick still works

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kambei:

What trick might that be?

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Torg:

you used to be able to use a free aol disk, try it for a month, then cancel it

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kambei:

I see.

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kambei:

Well, it's not for me. But I have no clue what's going on with dial up these days.

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Defend:

FN~kambei, try rcn.com sbcglobal or netzero

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kambei:

I will look into those. Thanks.

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Defend:

np man

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juski:

time for hometime & shopping

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Hoodman:

Ive been wanting to create a dvr box, anyone arround with suggestions?

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Hoodman:

im not sure, can i use ubuntu

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xris:

Hoodman: you want to use linux or windows?

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seth|laptop:

Hoodman: http://www.mysettopbox.tv

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Hoodman:

Linux

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Hoodman:

not sure what version though

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xris:

Hoodman: then you're in the right place... ask specific questions or you'll get vague answers.. and yes, ubuntu works fine.

[17:50:51]

Hoodman:

ok, thats one question down

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xris:

most popular mythtv distros are ubuntu, fedora and gentoo (in no particular order)

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Hoodman:

so do i need a specific version of ubuntu, or just the one on their site?

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xris:

current release is fine

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seth|laptop:

just for a dvr Hoodman or for regular use as well?

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Hoodman:

mostly the dvr, and some music

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seth|laptop:

use Xubuntu, no bloated frontends to deal with

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seth|laptop:

I have an Xubuntu frontend-slave backend, works well

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xris:

Hoodman: and don't rely on the copy of mythtv in apt if it's still stuck at .19

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Hoodman:

apt...not suire what you mean

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Hoodman:

sure

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xris:

Hoodman: how familiar are you with linux/ubuntu?

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Hoodman:

i have used ubuntu on a spare pc before...but not alot

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janneg:

xris: no, it's some 0.20-fixes build after the protocol change

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xris:

janneg: wow, are they finally listening to reason about the packages?

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Hoodman:

im hoping this isnt going to be super involved

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Hoodman:

but i dont want the bog, of media center

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crweb:

i'm running .20 on edgy, apt-get installed, and it worked straight up. Didn't have to do ANYTHING

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** seth|laptop recommends knoppmyth, no thought required, at least not much, up and running in 15 minutes or so... http://www.mysettopbox.tv **

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xris:

mythtv isn't generally an easy install.. but media center isn't all that great, either (but 2005 is likely easier)

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xris:

crweb: that's nice

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crweb:

then I installed from source, cause I'm just like that, but it did work.

[17:56:41]

crweb:

media center sucks cause for some reason they want you to use special "certified" hardware, just to play back video on a vga screen

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seth|laptop:

not to mention all of the copyright stuuf, windows binds you to

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Hoodman:

the main reason im going this way, i want 2 boxes on 2 tvs, sharing the same media

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seth|laptop:

my laptop came with mediacenter 2005, and it wouldn't even play my mp3's without complaining about something

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crweb:

well it is just odd to me that, you can double click an avi and play it in windows media player, but if you try to play it in the media center app it says it can't

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xris:

Hoodman: so next question?

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janneg:

xris: they probably didn't wanted to upgrade the version in dapper, but the edgy package was at least since one of the beta releases 0.20-fixes

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crweb:

dappers .18 worked fine for me to. Though db setup did have a glitch

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Hoodman:

well, i have 1 tuner card, i will need 2 to record 2 chanels, is that right?

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seth|laptop:

yes

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seth|laptop:

unless its a 2 tuner card

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Hoodman:

ok, its not

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crweb:

i was told you can't record 2 channels same time with the PVR-500

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crweb:

you can only watch and record a different channel

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xris:

crweb: not trye

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Hoodman:

ok, so what is needes to output to the tv, svideo on the video card?

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xris:

Hoodman: nvidia card is generally considered optimal

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seth|laptop:

crweb: that sux, I have 2 pvr150's and 2 air2pc HD OTA, i can effectively record 4 things at once, although I have never hd to, but i have recorded 3 things, and watched a 4th

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xris:

5200 or 6200

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Hoodman:

ok, i have a 5400

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xris:

Hoodman: that's fine

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crweb:

seth|laptop: thats interesting..

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Hoodman:

so the svideo will always be on....so its always outputing to the tv....so no monitor

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xris:

Hoodman: yup, that's generally how it works

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Hoodman:

ok

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kslater:

xris: I had a problem I asked you about with not seeing snapshot images for my slave HD backend in mythweb. Have a second to discuss?

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Hoodman:

im assuming that this isnt going to take a super compter, 2.8 Ghz 512 ram

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xris:

kslater: probably

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crweb:

Hoodman: i'm using a 1.6 256mb ram, working great

[18:03:23]

Hoodman:

ok

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Hoodman:

good

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crweb:

probably could go way slower

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crweb:

since i have hardware encoding

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seth|laptop:

well Hoodman, will you be doing any HD in the future?

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kslater:

so it looks like the remote images are in the cache dir as 0 length files for some reason

[18:04:04]

Hoodman:

nahh, no hd for a while

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xris:

kslater: delete them. and the png files in your recordings directory

[18:04:33]

kslater:

ok. on the remote backend for the latter

[18:04:50]

kslater:

let me give that a whirl

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seth|laptop:

well a fellow LUG member of mine does SD (cable, dish) with a P3 600 and 128MB ram with an pvr350 card

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seth|laptop:

i think it might have been a p3 700 but you get the idea

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seth|laptop:

:-)

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xris:

Hoodman: yeah, min system specs are pretty low for SD

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seth|laptop:

but for HD i would at least recommend a 2ghz or better

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Hoodman:

ok, i got a great deal on these p4s, so i figured i get it going

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Hoodman:

now, can you hook up after a cable box, so you get the 100+ chans, or does it have to be before?

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seth|laptop:

well if it helps to sway you (shameless plug) with knoppmyth, I had a master frontend, and a slave frontend up and running sharing storage, and fully functional in under 30 minutes.

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kslater:

xris: same error as before. line 273: getimagesize():Read error!

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xris:

Hoodman: you can record via svideo from the cable box, but you'll need an IR blaster to control it

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kslater:

in .../recorded.php

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xris:

imho worth the $5/month extra for an HD box so you can record over firewire (if your provider allows it)

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Hoodman:

hmmm

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xris:

kslater: on the local or remote file?

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seth|laptop:

Hoodman: that depends on your cable provider, here, I can get the channels without the STB, unless its like HBO or something, but some cable providers/distributors, require a box for everything

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kslater:

images from the local be work fine, images from the remote be don't show and show that error instead

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seth|laptop:

either way, my stb output to the svideo and red white on the tuner card, is way better than the coax

[18:10:02]

xris:

kslater: and the png files get creates on the remote frontend?

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kslater:

yes, the png gets recreated on the backend

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kslater:

on the slave backend machine that is

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seth|laptop:

crweb: actually in reference to my earlier response, I guess I have recorded 4 things at once, as mythtv by default records everything anyways, even if its live tv, so I appologize, for the mistake, hehe

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xris:

kslater: what version of mythtv/mythweb?

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seth|laptop:

crweb: I was also under the impression that the pvr500 is actually seen as 2 pvr150's (like what I have) but without owning one, I cannot comment accurately

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kslater:

I believe it's all from .20, let me query rpm

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seth|laptop:

crweb: I would also like to add that all 4 cards do not reside in the same host, I have 2 HD cards on the frontend, and 2 pvr150's on the slave, this may make a difference

[18:14:11]

Hoodman:

ok, well, im gonna put kubuntu on this box, be back when i crash it

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xris:

kslater: I honestly have no idea, then.

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frankrizzo:

xris, with using firewire, would you need two boxes to record two things at once?

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xris:

frankrizzo: of course

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kslater:

I do have a mismatch on the backends – .20–136 vs .20–136

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|Torg|:

seth do you have an overall achitecurte of the dual BEs that you can share?

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frankrizzo:

makes sense, perhaps I will do that and still use the dual pvr 150s, I would just have to setup the priorties then

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xris:

kslater: that could make a diff (though what you pasted is identical)

[18:16:40]

kslater:

mythweb is .20–82

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kslater:

doh

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seth|laptop:

|Torg|: yes, what did you need to know?

[18:17:00]

kslater:

.20–136 vs .20–146

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xris:

kslater: that *might* make a difference, depending on what went on between those versions.

[18:17:39]

xris:

the number after the dash is the package release number, so it won't match between mythweb and the backend, but the backends should match.

[18:17:43]

kslater:

k, I'll try to get in sync before I bother you again

[18:17:54]

kslater:

thanks

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xris:

only other thing I can say is to check write perms on data/ and its subdirs, but that would be fine ifyou're getting files from one backend

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seth|laptop:

|Torg|: master-frontend amd64 3200+ 1GB RAM onboard nvidia 6100 gpu, 2x air2pc rev.2 HD cards , 2 x 200GB WD PATA, 1x LG DVD/CDRW drive | slave-frontend amd sepron 3000+ 512MB RAM, nvidia 6200 w/128 AGP, 2 x pvr150, 2x 100GB WD PATA, 1x MadDog Dual layer dvd-rw , remote-slave (currently off line) clereon 733, 128MB RAM 1x 20GB Seagate, primary function, excess commflag traffic.

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seth|laptop:

|Torg|: remote-slave is headless, but I think it might have ati pci graphics.

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seth|laptop:

|Torg|: and I have a laptop frontend, running xubunutu that I use on occasion AMD64 3400+ 1GB, 100GB HDrive. But the other systems run knoppmyth R5C7 all running mythtv.org .20a tarballs, compiled from source.

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seth|laptop:

|Torg|: the xbox (xebian) frontend is currently fubar, and lying in a corner in my garage

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stuarta:

evening all

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|Torg|:

evening, well afternoon to me, but good evnign to you sir :)

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|Torg|:

my recordings directly has a bunch of old nuv files, there small but numerous. Is there any way to keep myth from keeping so many?

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bulle:

|Torg|: i think it will keep the files untill the disk starts to get full, or the autoexpire rules kick in

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bulle:

|Torg|: so basicly, they stay there, until the space is needed, then they go

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|Torg|:

mostly its just annoying, I have to wade though them to find the actual recordings

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|Torg|:

and the pretty directry simply links to the nuv's not the mpg's

[19:39:13]

|Torg|:

so basicly the whole pretty/nuv thing is usleless

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kormoc:

|Torg|, you mean old as in, not in mythfrontend's recorded programs?

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|Torg|:

yes I have old one, about 50

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|Torg|:

and I have current ones, about 10

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|Torg|:

the pretty directroy points to the current nuv files

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kormoc:

those old ones, if myth doesn't know about them, you should delete them, as myth never will

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|Torg|:

each is less then 1k in size and other then name has no corelation whatsoever to the actual mpg

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|Torg|:

the old ones are from recordings I have deleted

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|Torg|:

basicly id love a way to simply disable nuvs all togeterh as they serve no usefull purpose to me

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kormoc:

|Torg|, erm. nuv's are how framebuffer cards record, they are the video

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|Torg|:

I dont use a framebuffer

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xris:

|Torg|: set all transcoders to lossless and get rid of any old style tuner cards. :)

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kormoc:

|Torg|, unless you're using a old version of myth?

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|Torg|:

I use an ATSC HD card, and it dumps pure mpg

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kormoc:

then you transcode

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|Torg|:

I dont transcode

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kormoc:

?

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kormoc:

then just delete them

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kormoc:

myth doesn't create nuv files except in those situtations

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|Torg|:

yes I already delete them, but its done by hand

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kormoc:

you should figure out what you're doing to create them then

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|Torg|:

well I set nothing special so what should I go look at?

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xris:

|Torg|: first off, make sure all transcoders are set to lossless mode.

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|Torg|:

ill check I didnt notice where I could set that, but its been a while since I did

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|Torg|:

is this in the backend with the cards, or the frontend under profiles?

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xris:

frontend

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|Torg|:

is there any way to tell what recodring profile I use as default? I ahve 5 and Ive never paid any attention to them

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seth|laptop:

|Torg|: when I view my schedules in mythweb, it shows that I use the "default" profile I too have not messed with it

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|Torg|:

I have the same thing with transcoder set to Autodetect

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|Torg|:

they however do not map to the profles, of which I have two, "Hardware DVB Encoders", and "Transcoders"

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|Torg|:

under the Hardware DVB Encoder there is a default but they have no setting for lossless or not. In fact aside from the name all they have are "recording type" which is set to normal vs audio or tv only, and enable transcoding which is uncheked

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|Torg|:

so im at a loss as to why it transcodes (I didnt tell it to), and every transcode settigs I have is disabled

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|Torg|:

none the less I did what xris said and turned lossless on on teh transcoders (which I was under the impression I never used)

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xris:

|Torg|: do you ever cut out commercials?

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|Torg|:

cut them no, flag them yes

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|Torg|:

commflagging stil is not 100% relaible enohg for me to edit the recordings

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xris:

you *could* hand-edit them

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xris:

and then cut (lossless transcode) to remove them from the recordings to save disk space

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|Torg|:

yes but I dont consider space an issue, and id prefer to never see the commercias rather then spend time to edit them. Besides when I hit E on any recordings it nerver showes the flagged sections

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GreyFoxx:

E goes into edit mode, then you suckin / import the cutlist with Z

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xris:

|Torg|: what GreyFoxx said

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|Torg|:

ahh ok thanks

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Ruleke:

greetings

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stuarta:

hallucinations

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Ruleke:

where what ? who said that

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Ruleke:

hello stuarta :)

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stuarta:

:)

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Ruleke:

the little hack prevented the overflow of the PID handles, but still a problem

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stuarta:

how so?

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Ruleke:

well there are now just 2 error messages ;)

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Ruleke:

but the channels still don't get added

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Ruleke:

I think I pasted it

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Ruleke:

SDT: Error determing what transport this service table i

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Ruleke:

s associated with so failing

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Ruleke:

meh :-/

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Ruleke:

this error was there without the 'patch' too

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Zider:

Ruleke: be glad it's not STD ;)

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Ruleke:

:P

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Ruleke:

if (db_mplexid == -1)

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Ruleke:

hmm

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Ruleke:

stuarta: ok re-adding the transport and scanning with "delete" worked

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stuarta:

cool

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Ruleke:

doh no it didn't

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Ruleke:

the gui doesn't remember the transport selected for scan when I do back

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Ruleke:

I scanned a diff one :)

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Ruleke:

2006-11–28 16:14:40.956 SIScan(0): HandlePostInsertion() pat(1)

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Ruleke:

2006-11–28 16:14:40.957 NIT: NetID(511) tranports(0)

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Ruleke:

besides the typo I don't know if that's normal

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stuarta:

didn't find any channels?

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Ruleke:

indeed

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Ruleke:

it says "SDT: Error determing what transport this service table is associated with so failing" and that's all

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Ruleke:

it says it twice actually

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Ruleke:

kinda depressing... the transport with the most channels :-/

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stuarta:

okay, remove the hack and make it so it just adds the first PMT to the filters list

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Ruleke:

erm

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Ruleke:

you mean PAT ?

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stuarta:

in HandlePAT it's adding PMT's to the PID filter

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rn114:

hi, having a problem with my PVR-150: Error getting codec params using old IVTV ioctl

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rn114:

this is with ivtv 0.8 and kernel 2.16.8

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Ruleke:

ah yes that makes sense

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Ruleke:

I'll just limit it to 31 maybe :P

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fysa:

ivtv 0.8 isn't for the 2.16 kernel I thought?

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D-side:

2.6.18

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Ruleke:

0.8 is for 2.6.18

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rn114:

sorry 2.6.16

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fysa:

right

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rn114:

argh 2.6.18 i meant!

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Ruleke:

you should get 0.8.1 though

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D-side:

just like 0.7 was for 17, 0.6.. you get the picture

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fysa:

numbers are our friends.

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rn114:

yeah i have the right version, and i can watch tv ok

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rn114:

however i get this error in my backend log

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Ruleke:

yeah the ioctls have changed

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rn114:

and also no scheduled programs record, although if i do it in livetv thats fine

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Ruleke:

I thought there was a patch for myth merged...

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rn114:

ah, maybe i am not up to date enough

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rn114:

i'll check trac

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Ruleke:

can't wait for ivtv to be merged with the kernel

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lose_the_grim:

I'm looking at the reviews for the Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 500 and there seems to be quite a number of them unhappy with the reception on this card. Are their complaints unfounded?

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Ruleke:

most of the modules are already... yay

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lose_the_grim:

In particular th reviews on newegg

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fysa:

there are different versions, grim.

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** juski the deleter of 'bump' threads has returned **

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fysa:

I have a Philips tuner in mine and couldn't be happier.

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lose_the_grim:

Hmmm Samsung vs. other

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lose_the_grim:

Philips.. yeah

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lose_the_grim:

Hmmm

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fysa:

I got the MCE-500 white box from newegg.

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fysa:

sans remote

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lose_the_grim:

Thats waht I'm looking at.

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Ruleke:

they should all be about the same with latest ivtv iirc... the samsung specs weren't available in older versions

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lose_the_grim:

$149 good price, but the reviews were fairly negative.

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Ruleke:

ymmv

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fysa:

I've had only good experience with mine.

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Ruleke:

same here

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Ruleke:

I have installed about 5 at friends, seems ok

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Ruleke:

I'm in PAL country though

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lose_the_grim:

I'll give it a whirl then.

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lose_the_grim:

It doesn't, from what I was able to find, have an IR port. What would you recommend for an IR receiver.

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Ruleke:

not sure, I've done one serial and for the rest I've always used the pvr150 or 350

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|Torg|:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16823172006

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fysa:

I'm using the receiver that came with my FusionHDTV Gold..

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fysa:

and a Logitech Harmony 360 remote.

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fysa:

I think you can find a Microsoft MCE remote that comes with a USB receiver..

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fysa:

From what I've seen, that looks to be pretty well supported.

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lose_the_grim:

Hmmm

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lose_the_grim:

Thanks guys.. I appreciate it.

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xris:

the mceusb2 remote is quite nice

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xris:

no clue how the receiver works with other remotes, though

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seth|laptop:

i could not get my mceusb2 receiver to work with anythingother than the mce remote

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fysa:

did you screw with both config files?

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seth|laptop:

had to program my harmony remote to emulate a media center pc, and then it worked

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seth|laptop:

yes, repeatedly

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|Torg|:

if your going to spend $50 on a remote and ir, why not just key a wireless keyboard

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seth|laptop:

on plug in, and boot (its usb) it automagically loads the lirc_mceusb2 driver

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rn114:

Ruleke, i do have a sufficiently up to date version of mythtv for the support to be in there

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kormoc:

seth|laptop, did you try the mode2 or whatever to get the raw codes from the receiver?

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kormoc:

|Torg|, it's slicker to spend 50 and get a remote + ir keyboard? :P

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fysa:

I've got a Gyro keyboard that's decent.

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Ruleke:

rn114: hmm... 0.8.1 ?

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fysa:

The Gyromouse+keyboard combo.

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Ruleke:

rn114: for ivtv ?

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fysa:

but the remote is nicer to get hooked up/use.. don't have to memorize key combos.

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|Torg|:

my gyro keyboard works supubly, and oh btw its a keyboard so I can ctrl-alt-f1 into a shell if I want

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rn114:

ivtv 0.80, and mythtv 11600

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seth|laptop:

kormoc: the raw mode, produced the same keys as the philips remote it came with , I could not change it effectivley, although I admit I didn't try very hard

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fysa:

I've got an xterm command mapped on my remote. ;)

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lotia:

anyone here using the pchdtv 3000 hd card and the pvr-150 or pvr-500 cards with a 2.6.18 kernel?

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Ruleke:

rn114: some ioctl changes in 0.8.1, check changelog on ivtvdriver.org

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|Torg|:

I use my remote so often for myth the batteries went dead and I never noticed

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kormoc:

|Torg|, in theory my ir keyboard will too, I just need to try the kernel module for it

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|Torg|:

the gyro is rf based, worked by simply plugging it in, no extra work

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kormoc:

seth|laptop, if the rawmode receives it, then you should be able to use those codes

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rn114:

does mythtv only work with 0.8.1 or the older versions?

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kormoc:

rn114, it works with older ones, I'm still on a ivtv 3.x iirc

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fysa:

the gyro keyboard chews through nimh batteries like they're nothing.

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rn114:

i wonder why i am getting this error message though, ticket 2044 seems to be saying it supports the new ioctl

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fysa:

they should have used a dedicated li-ion or li-poly pack.

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|Torg|:

my gyro usesnimh recarables, and I think Ive replaced teh battery one in 2 years

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Ruleke:

stuarta: not sure where it is adding the PMT... I think it fails in UpdateSDTinDB ?

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kormoc:

my logitech bluetooth and my non-bluetooth rf keyboards tend to last around 2 to 3 months on a set of batterys

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|Torg|:

if they go dead ill pop in some more and charge the ones in the unit

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fysa:

it's sturdy as hell though. I can't count the times I've dropped the keyboard on my hard floor from the thing being too small/light for my dumb hands.

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kormoc:

where as my mce remote is lasting 8 months? 6 months so far?

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|Torg|:

that mouse however is another story if you leave it off its crade it goes dead in about 3 days

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|Torg|:

seth do you have the 680?

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fysa:

heh

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fysa:

if you leave it off the cradle, make sure you put it on its side/upside down

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seth|laptop:

|Torg|: I have the 880

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|Torg|:

does that do the tv guide feature?

[21:01:51]

seth|laptop:

yes, but I had to tell it to use the mce remote "info" button

[21:02:00]

Ruleke:

m114: I think 0.8.0 had some mistakes too...

[21:02:02]

seth|laptop:

and then I changed my ~/.mythtv/lircrc

[21:02:14]

Ruleke:

rn114: http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/stable/ChangeLog-0.8

[21:02:20]

|Torg|:

its ir right, is there an rf or bt one?

[21:03:12]

lose_the_grim:

As far as the remote goes I've got an older Sony RM-AV2100B which would work pretty well I think

[21:03:19]

fysa:

http://www.krunker.com/wp-content/photos/2005 . . . logitech.jpg

[21:03:22]

lose_the_grim:

http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/model-home.p . . . 0B&LOC=3

[21:03:34]

fysa:

but the harmony 360 is a thing of beauty.

[21:03:37]

|Torg|:

im thinking more of repalcing the box-o-remotes I have with something like the 880

[21:03:45]

|Torg|:

id perfer rf over ir tho

[21:03:57]

|Torg|:

what does it take to get an 880 to show you the guide info?

[21:04:07]

juski:

the harmony remotes all have too many damn buttons IMHO

[21:04:30]

fysa:

http://www.krunker.com/wp-content/photos/2005 . . . logitech.jpg

[21:04:32]

fysa:

really?

[21:04:33]

juski:

so you can map every single last myth function – great, but what happens to the WAF then ? ;)

[21:04:48]

fysa:

it's laid out so simply. my wife loves it.

[21:05:04]

fysa:

it's less complex than the remote that came with our Scientific America HD DVR.

[21:05:13]

juski:

no doubt it is

[21:05:30]

juski:

someone brought one into work to have a brag about it & I had a go. didn't like it

[21:05:30]

fysa:

the other harmonies have more features.. but just don't look as good as this one. ;)

[21:05:35]

|Torg|:

you should see the one that comes with my sony dolby decoder

[21:05:39]

fysa:

haha

[21:05:46]

|Torg|:

it has a flip top to access a second set of buttons

[21:05:47]

fysa:

I think I have a couple of those.

[21:06:10]

juski:

a pronto would be nice but they're too damn big & heavy

[21:06:35]

|Torg|:

I need actualy three rmotes to wtch tv, one turns on the TV and makes sure the dignatial input is selected, one turns on the audio decoder (and its the volume) and the keybaord I use to watch myth

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juski:

still, anything is better than the remotes you get with most tuner cards

[21:06:52]

Aughey:

I just compiled mythtv from svn and mythtv-setup or mythfilldatabase cannot retrieve lineups from zap2it. Is this a problem with the load or zap2it?

[21:06:59]

fysa:

Harmony "Activities" fix that, torg.

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|Torg|:

I was thiknig of making an ir blaster JUST so I could turn on the tv and decoder :)

[21:07:12]

juski:

my current TV doesn't have absolute AV source buttons unfortunately

[21:07:30]

fysa:

"Watch Projector" – turns TV off, switches inputs, tells myth box to change to the DVI output instead of component, dims the lights and lowers the projector screen. :P

[21:07:49]

|Torg|:

fysa what I really need is something my wife can use like "watch tv, watch dvd, watch myth, play games"

[21:07:56]

juski:

press AV for AV input, then green for AV2, or green again for AV2-svid :(

[21:08:13]

|Torg|:

those 4 things requre you to activte one of 5 imputs to the tv and one of 10 imputs to the decoder

[21:08:16]

fysa:

"Watch TV" – switches back to analog out, switches everything, etc.. it remembers state.

[21:08:26]

juski:

plus the other thing about the harmony remotes is the god awful web programming thing

[21:08:39]

|Torg|:

you get any wrong and you can have audio no piture, no picute but audio, or abolutly nothing

[21:08:49]

fysa:

as far as remotes go, it isn't bad juski. better than looking up and punching in codes.

[21:08:58]

|Torg|:

im a we bit tired of tech support, so Id like something that can do all of those. But I really dont want to give up my keybaord

[21:09:08]

juski:

haha I bypassed that I just used JP1. it's a hacker's remote ;)

[21:09:22]

|Torg|:

fusa what do you use?

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fysa:

I use a Logitech Harmony, but the one that was designed for the XBox 360.

[21:10:01]

juski:

lordy I hate bashing webpages together

[21:10:09]

fysa:

It was the cheapest/looked the best and had a nice glow.. the others looked too fat/clunky and didn't have any extra features I needed.

[21:10:20]

|Torg|:

fysa ill asuume thats a feature, what model

[21:10:45]

fysa:

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/de . . . TENTID=11250

[21:11:06]

fysa:

You can remove the options that mention "XBox 360" with the software.

[21:11:24]

fysa:

The colored/letter buttons are nice for a quick game of pacman with the remote. ;)

[21:11:30]

fysa:

or other simple MAME stuff.

[21:13:48]

GreyFoxx:

Can you control what the LCD disable for labels ?

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fysa:

The entire thing glows the green that's behind the center "OK" button.

[21:13:51]

fysa:

enough plugging. let's just say I'm happy with it and it's done everything I needed.

[21:13:52]

GreyFoxx:

displays

[21:13:53]

Ruleke:

stuarta: I set the transportid and networkid in the database manually first, now scan works !

[21:13:55]

fysa:

yep

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GreyFoxx:

fysa: Nice

[21:14:06]

fysa:

you can add as many labels as you want..

[21:14:06]

stuarta:

Ruleke: interesting

[21:14:09]

fysa:

you can add custom IR commands in the menu there too and label them.

[21:14:37]

fysa:

it even displays funky ASCII symbols ;)

[21:14:47]

fysa:

so you can try to be cute.. :P

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GreyFoxx:

Wonder what it would take to support it under Linux, unless lirc already does

[21:15:05]

fysa:

using it with lirc now..

[21:15:11]

GreyFoxx:

cool

[21:15:23]

fysa:

it emulates a few thousand different remotes, so it's just a matter of finding the one that your receiver likes the best that has the most buttons to work with.

[21:15:49]

fysa:

I have mine emulating the Fusion HD MCE remote..

[21:15:50]

seth|laptop:

I just don't like logitechs programming software, talk about a snooze

[21:16:13]

fysa:

it's Java..

[21:17:25]

fysa:

you can use firefox to login to their site to set it up..

[21:17:41]

fysa:

then just use the software to sync it.

[21:17:51]

seth|laptop:

yes, I was just going to say, I did get it to work in linux, from the mythbox, using firefox, and the plugin

[21:18:04]

fysa:

better than having to use wine I s'pose.

[21:18:05]

Ruleke:

stuarta: I used information from the failed scan debug output...

[21:18:28]

|Torg|:

well I need to decide between the 360 remote and the 880, the 890 is nice and does rf, but at 2x the cost and I still need an ir converter

[21:18:33]

Aughey:

can someone run mythfilldatabase and let me know if it's able to get to zap2it? My system isn't getting the lineups.

[21:18:51]

|Torg|:

Aughey do you have ATSC tuners?

[21:18:56]

Aughey:

yes

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|Torg|:

those linups were changed about a month ago, you need to redo your channels

[21:19:33]

|Torg|:

your channels in zap2it btw

[21:19:46]

Aughey:

i'll give it a try

[21:19:56]

|Torg|:

you can go into your profile and redo the linup, if it fails your going to have to go through a rather diffcult channel editing process

[21:21:10]

Aughey:

bingo. That worked. Thanks

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|Torg|:

np, I dunno why zap2it decide to cahgne all the HD listings but they did

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|Torg|:

its sort of stragne you just noticed it tho, your guide data shoudl have run out two weeks ago

[21:22:53]

Aughey:

The computer has sat idle for, well, about a month.

[21:23:18]

|Torg|:

dont watch tv much huh :)

[21:23:25]

Aughey:

I changed out a lot of hardware and didn't have time to set everything back up. I'm doing a fresh install and compile of everything.

[21:23:37]

Aughey:

been using the replaytv for daily viewing

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|Torg|:

if you do a fresh install you its more difficult

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Aughey:

which is awful once you've seen HD

[21:24:18]

Zider:

I've seen hdtv.. it isn't all that impressive imo..

[21:24:54]

seth|laptop:

wow, I see a huge difference from HD to DISH via the pvr150's svideo inputs

[21:24:55]

Ruleke:

stuarta: should I open a ticket for the PID handles stuff and/or the transport config ?

[21:25:03]

|Torg|:

to do a fresh install, do not scan channels, exit the setup and to a mythfilldatabase --do-chanel-update, then go into mythtv-setup and scan new channels, then use mythweb (or edit teh tables) to merge the two channel sets, clean up the excess and you shopuld have viable hdtv channels

[21:25:04]

kslater:

where does myth get it's pids for audio and video for an HD OTA channel?

[21:25:21]

Aughey:

I'll take crystal clear 16x9 1080 video over fuzzy broadcast any day

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juski:

yeah so would I. pity not all HDTV is crystal clear

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Pitr:

I'm not missing out on HD :-)

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|Torg|:

kslater what dvb card do you ahve?

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seth|laptop:

my HD is broadcast

[21:25:51]

** Pitr is waiting for the normal tv's prices to drop **

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kslater:

Air2PC

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seth|laptop:

yes

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|Torg|:

myth dosnt get the pids for those cards, your card caches them

[21:26:17]

juski:

$ky HD in the UK is full of mpeg artifacts judging by what I've seen of it so far

[21:26:21]

|Torg|:

it used the pids, but the card does all the scan work

[21:26:22]

seth|laptop:

they should be cheaper as soon as the hd stuff becomes more widely accepted

[21:26:23]

kslater:

where does the card get it from?

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|Torg|:

from the air, its part of teh scan

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seth|laptop:

then the 60" projections should plummet

[21:26:35]

stuarta:

Ruleke: can I ask that you try head first?

[21:26:51]

stuarta:

make a db backup and going back is easy.

[21:27:04]

kslater:

so it tunes to a channel and then it scans for the pids and uses them

[21:27:07]

kslater:

got it

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|Torg|:

card tunes to channel, reads the program data pid, it has the rest of the pids, and your card caches everything. It feads those pids to the database where it stores them

[21:27:09]

Ruleke:

stuarta: normally I would but I've decided I will finally build the stable setup... ppl are complaining

[21:27:10]

** juski is looking forward to watching 18mbit h.264 HDTV one day **

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Aughey:

if the carriers load up on several sub channels, it degrades very quickly

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|Torg|:

but all the problems you see from the ppl here with the pids dosnt pertain tot eh air2pc cards

[21:27:28]

Ruleke:

stuarta: backup db, compile head, test, restore db... if I have lots of time

[21:28:07]

Ruleke:

I must say I still have a head checkout ready to be recompiled :P

[21:28:16]

stuarta:

juski: you might need more pu

[21:28:29]

juski:

yeah slightly

[21:28:48]

juski:

I don't think a 1GHz Via C3 will cut it somehow ;)

[21:29:06]

juski:

maybe a dual core 64-bit 4Ghz CPU

[21:29:43]

stuarta:

yeah, i have trouble on amd64 3200

[21:29:47]

juski:

but by the time HD comes to the masses in the UK I'll be able to afford one of them CPUs :)

[21:29:52]

Ruleke:

hmm I thought a relatively high end cpu would do

[21:30:11]

juski:

not for h.264 it won't. in the USA etc it's still only mpeg2

[21:30:14]

stuarta:

if it's in mpeg2 then yes

[21:30:22]

Ruleke:

yeah I mean h.264

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|Torg|:

by the time HD comes to the masses we will have 10ghz cpus that cost $150

[21:30:37]

juski:

Ruleke: on Windows it's a different matter

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** Ruleke compiles head **

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** xris wishes he could figure out how to get mythvideo to play h.264 mp4 files **

[21:30:49]

juski:

there, the likes of purevideo work

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Ruleke:

oh I thought some of that made its way to linux

[21:31:22]

juski:

there's still only mpeg2 xvmc AFAIK

[21:31:40]

juski:

everything else is just software – and for that you need a lot of grunt

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** janneg has no problems playing h.264 in mp4 as long the audio is no aac **

[21:32:04]

juski:

janneg: yeah but 1080i h.264 ?

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xris:

janneg: I get black screen and no audio

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xris:

but I'm probably also compiling against different versions of faad, etc.

[21:32:50]

janneg:

juski: as long as it isn't more than a couple offrames per second

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Ruleke:

like the CN400 stuff should be able to accelerate H.264 at HD resolutions

[21:33:34]

janneg:

xris: have you tried to compile without --enable-x264?

[21:33:43]

xris:

janneg: yeah

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xris:

just faad and faac

[21:34:01]

xris:

guess I could disable faac, too

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juski:

Ruleke: yeah but that's not working properly yet – so never mind what it _should_ be able to do ;)

[21:35:11]

Ruleke:

yet :)

[21:35:15]

Ruleke:

at least it's underway

[21:35:18]

Ruleke:

for xine anyways

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bulle:

Ruleke: CN400 ?

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bulle:

Ruleke: some built in graphics ?

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Ruleke:

yeah via chipset

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Ruleke:

any way to force the EIT scanner to scan a channel / transport ? I suppose it's semi-random ?

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xris:

it used to scan if you sat on a channel for more than 30 secs. dunno if it still does that now that there's an actual scanner

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|Torg|:

it does it if the box sits idle too

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Ruleke:

yeah but it takes a while to hit it

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Ruleke:

still hasn't hit my new transport

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|Torg|:

what id like is a -eit-dont-bug-the-hell-outa-me flag :)

[21:44:05]

Ruleke:

hmm ?

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** Ruleke eyes system load **

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|Torg|:

it dosnt add any extra load afiak but it does fill the hell out the log file

[21:45:17]

|Torg|:

im usre it add some, but its not ntoicable

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Ruleke:

meh I'm looking at it because of the compile

[21:47:21]

Ruleke:

3.22 isn't that bad :P

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|Torg|:

dsitcc rocks, I just wish it would work better between platform and build

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stuarta:

Ruleke: that's not bad. i'm sitting on about that load avg too.

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kormoc:

poor, poor mythbox

[21:53:36]

kormoc:

loads of 3.7, 5.1, 11.3

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stuarta:

i normally hit 8ish when i try to watch some HD stuff

[21:54:14]

kormoc:

this is just sdtv recording and commflagging

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kormoc:

0 watching :/

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Ruleke:

heh apache is starting to groan too serving mythweb for all these channels

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Ruleke:

not to mention mysql :P

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abarbaccia:

hey all – anybody think about writing a plugin to interface with youtube or google video. Kinda like a custom search engine?

[21:58:48]

Ruleke:

18 cpu minutes on an uptime of 8 hours :)

[21:59:02]

Ruleke:

abarbaccia: you apparently

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|Torg|:

yes I belive it already ixits

[22:01:23]

abarbaccia:

any idea of the name?

[22:01:46]

|Torg|:

mythbrowser

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Ruleke:

heh

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abarbaccia:

kinda... im thinking more along the lines of possibly adding another capture card to grap iptv as a source

[22:03:20]

juski:

abarbaccia: so erm.. what happened to replying to my email asking you what you thought about joining the 'make ubuntu rock on mythtv' team ?

[22:03:47]

abarbaccia:

im willing to help out – kinda bogged down with school and all right now

[22:03:53]

abarbaccia:

but def. willing to help

[22:04:00]

juski:

cool. good to know :)

[22:04:04]

kormoc:

abarbaccia, ooh, I look forward to seeing your patches for a iptv capture device! :)

[22:04:05]

juski:

hoped you might be

[22:04:50]

juski:

I'm kinda bogged down in my own projects right now too but wheels are starting to turn slowly

[22:05:23]

juski:

not that I can do much other than proofread :-P

[22:06:42]

Ruleke:

erm there already is an iptv compile option :)

[22:06:52]

Ruleke:

not sure what it is/does though :)

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juski:

speaking of proofreading – I must have html blindness... I just read the above & thought "but mythtv already works with ivtv".. duh!

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Ruleke:

I'd hire you

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juski:

out of pity?

[22:10:20]

juski:

heh

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Ruleke:

if I won the lottery, sure :)

[22:14:14]

Ruleke:

or maybe you take payment in IRC cookies

[22:14:46]

Zider:

join the dark side and get a free cookie

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juski:

the dark side? but I've given up on gentoo already

[22:18:50]

Ruleke:

you are using some evil binary module laden one now ? ;)

[22:19:04]

Ruleke:

dark darkest proprietary

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Eko:

The mythtv jobs (mythcommflag, etc) report a status back to MythTV... Is there any way to do this for user jobs?

[22:19:52]

Eko:

for instance, "Transcoding... 6min remaining"

[22:19:56]

Eko:

or some such thing?

[22:20:00]

juski:

wow. a good question

[22:20:59]

Eko:

It's the first question I think i've ever had about mythtv that I havne't goten answered in the mailing lists =)

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Eko:

by searching the mailing lists, that is

[22:21:50]

|Torg|:

Eko how would you suppose a 3d party, unknown, written by whomerver app should be aware it needs to report its status?

[22:22:16]

kormoc:

|Torg|, it'd be useful for things like nuvexport to report back job info at least...

[22:22:41]

Eko:

|Torg|, it could be as simple as taking the last line outputted from the program on stdout

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Eko:

or another option could be %STATUSFIFO%

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neddy:

any word on why mythtv .20 won't play .mp4 files anymore?

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|Torg|:

yes Eko and there are many prgrams that simply report exit codes, with nothing to std out

[22:23:26]

Zider:

http://blog.scifi.com/tech/archives/2006/07/2 . . . cetrack.html – how's that for HDTV.. ;D

[22:23:40]

Eko:

|Torg|, and in that case it would still report "Running..."

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neddy:

A few people have asked on the mailing list, but no answers yet...

[22:24:09]

Eko:

i'm speaking for people who write scripts... to me, that's what the user jobs are tailored for

[22:24:15]

neddy:

I don't suppose Axel Thimm hangs out here, does he?

[22:24:51]

|Torg|:

Eko what you could get then would be 0 or not 0

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|Torg|:

id presume you would like to know what the script does, but you wont get that

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|Torg|:

what you will get is what the script ran as

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Eko:

|Torg|, eh?

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|Torg|:

so if you make a shell script, myth as the process that initated the script will get back and exit code from that shell

[22:26:15]

Eko:

myth couldn't open a pipe?

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|Torg|:

if yuou fork a script that exists with an error you will get a secuessfull error code, becase your reporting on the shell that run sucessfully

[22:26:47]

|Torg|:

myth could open a pipe, but to wht unonen app would you like it to open?

[22:27:11]

juski:

OMG. projectgrayhem BITES

[22:27:14]

Eko:

I was under the impression that myth executed it in a shell

[22:27:21]

Zider:

juski: hard?

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|Torg|:

about the best you could get would be to have some open api for myth that you could write code to

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|Torg|:

other then that all it can tell you is "yes it ran"

[22:27:47]

Eko:

|Torg|, i've written programs that use popen to fork processes and get their output

[22:27:58]

Eko:

it's no different with running shell commands.

[22:28:08]

juski:

Zider: yeah. it's fugly

[22:28:22]

Zider:

juski: I like it

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|Torg|:

Eko what program am I running right now on my system?

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Eko:

init.

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|Torg|:

if that seems ambiguous to you, then think of now myth would wonder

[22:29:00]

juski:

I think it's only ever gonna get the barest of maintenance in future I think. really gone off it

[22:29:06]

|Torg|:

all you can do is fork off a process that is randomly input as a user job

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|Torg|:

that user job could be to run echo, it could be to runa schell script, it coult be to mount a directory

[22:29:35]

Zider:

project grayhem makes my mythbox "lovely" instead of just "usable" :P

[22:29:39]

Zider:

imo

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Eko:

|Torg|, I seeno reason why it matters... if it's looking at stdout, then it takes whatever lines are received on the pipe and uses it as the status code

[22:29:53]

Eko:

it doesn't matter, and it doesn't need to care, what is outputting that

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|Torg|:

not all programs outout to stdout

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Eko:

so what.

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Eko:

if it doesn't output, then it doesn't update the status

[22:30:13]

Eko:

and it's reported as "Running"

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Eko:

it doesn't have to be able to magically know about every user process out there, it just needs to have a documented way to return the status so that programmers can design their programs/scripts around that.

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|Torg|:

then waht you want is a myth api

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Eko:

nomego, not really.

[22:32:27]

Eko:

no*

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Eko:

I want to be able to echo "Transcode progress: ${PROGRESS}%" and have that show up in mythtv,

[22:33:11]

Eko:

something portable

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Eko:

you can write to stdout from C, Perl, Bash, ASM, doesn't matter

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Eko:

even FORTRAN.

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juski:

Zider: you tested the new one yet? Needs testing so I can get it all debugged & out there _properly_

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Zider:

juski: how new?

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juski:

blootube-wide new

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juski:

though it's more the less often accessed screens that always seem to need tweaks

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juski:

actually pg & pg-wide are on 2.1 now, soon to be 2.2 for the -wide version

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juski:

just busy giving my webshite a much needed facelift at the mo'

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Zider:

I mean, when was it released?

[22:38:29]

Ruleke:

stuarta: bah I'm having the same PID filter problems when trying to record from a channel in that transport

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juski:

can't remember now

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juski:

been that busy

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Zider:

before friday?

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Zider:

:P

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juski:

nope

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Zider:

ah

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Zider:

I've been busy moving since friday

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juski:

blootube-wide has been around about a week

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juski:

in beta form

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Zider:

haven't got the mythbox up yet even

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juski:

heh

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juski:

right that's my work copied to usb flash so I can do it at work :)

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juski:

bedtime! g'night all

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Zider:

:)

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Zider:

'nite juski

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janneg:

Ruleke, stuarta: that's not true, you might see a lot of error messages, but recording should work

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kormoc:

|Torg|, what's the real issue with eko's idea?

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|Torg|:

there is no real way to predict what the output of a unknown process is doing

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Eko:

then open up a fifo into which they can spit status data.

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Eko:

that'd be backwards compatible.

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Eko:

cause you know anyone wirting to that fifo will be intending for it as the status.

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kormoc:

|Torg|, why's that matter?

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kormoc:

|Torg|, just displaying stdout would be enough

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kormoc:

I would love to see stdout of the user processes, and stderr, incese things went wrong

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Daviey:

Hi everybody, what keyboards are you guys using?

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kormoc:

Daviey, none, I use a remote

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xris:

Daviey: I have an RF one from logitech

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Daviey:

kormoc, yeah.. i have a remote; but at times i wish i had a keyboard. Especially if it want to browse the net

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Daviey:

xris, is it 'cute'

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xris:

Daviey: hardly

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kormoc:

I have a keyboard that matches the remote, I just gotta get it working one of these days

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xris:

kormoc has the best keyboard for myth.. but it doesn't work so well. heh

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Zider:

I wish I had a working IR receiver.. :((

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kormoc:

xris, after my move, I'll likely go back to playing with it again

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xris:

cool

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kormoc:

it's all packed up now :P

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xris:

heh

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Daviey:

Zider, why not make/buy one?

[23:46:23]

** xris wonders why it suddenly got cold in his office. **

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kormoc:

ghosts

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Daviey:

xris, are you still wearing clothes?

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Zider:

Daviey: I tried making one, it doesn't work.. and I can't find any linux-compatible ones around here.. :/

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Daviey:

hang on

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xris:

Daviey: this isn't that kind of channel. :)

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Daviey:

Zider, site seems to be struggling atm, but http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/

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Zider:

Daviey: I know how to build it, lirc homepage even has the instructions.. I still didn't manage to make a working one

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Daviey:

Zider, tip – pay in US$... works out slightly cheaper

[23:52:08]

Zider:

the postage is probably more costly than the actual receiver

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Daviey:

Zider, i had the parts in my RS basket for months! In the end i just bought one for £8. As RS makes you purchase somethings in quantity (ie >5) it worked out the same price!

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Zider:

RS?

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Daviey:

http://rswww.com

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Zider:

ah, well.. we have ELFA here.. they sell most stuff as separate components

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Zider:

and I have all the components needed

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Zider:

I just suck att soldering and getting the right pinouts

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