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Monday, November 27th, 2006, 00:05 UTC

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Daviey:

does mythtv's built in mythfilldatabase options run on the frontend or backend? I would expect it to run on the backend, but the options are on mythfrontend

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xris:

Daviey: the backend doesn't have a gui configuration tool, where else would it be?

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kormoc:

xris, mythtv-setup? :P

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xris:

I guess in my mind, setup != configuration

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xris:

but yeah, you're probably right in that the global stuff SHOULD be moved out of the frontend.

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xris:

or at least be separated

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

I wouldn't mind having a mythbackend-config or something

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kormoc:

tho, I would think it would replace mythtv-setup

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xris:

yeah

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ChriZSpencer:

after atrpms update mythtv doesnt work any more. oh my god

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ChriZSpencer:

HELP

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ChriZSpencer:

mythbackend: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libmythtv-0.20.so.0: undefined symbol: _ZTv0_n20_NK7Setting9classNameEv

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ChriZSpencer:

what is this? came after update

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Daviey:

xris, mythtv-setup by any chance?

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ChriZSpencer:

mythbackend: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libmythtv-0.20.so.0: undefined symbol: _ZTv0_n20_NK7Setting9classNameEv

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ChriZSpencer:

what is this? came after update

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Torg:

it means mythbackend could not find what it was looking for in the library

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Torg:

what that thing was however nobody can tell you, as you have stripped the binary (the compile does it at default)

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Torg:

the best I can tell you is to simply reinstall the lib

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** kslater just dicovered that myth will schlep commercial flagging jobs to other backends.. awesome **

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ChriZSpencer:

torg: thx. there is only one precompiled. and its not working. i did it 10 times.

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ChriZSpencer:

compiling does not work. and i am done

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Torg:

did you compile the backend and the lib?

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ChriZSpencer:

could i seperate it?

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Torg:

seperate what, the compile?

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ChriZSpencer:

to compile the liv extra without the rest?

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ChriZSpencer:

i just try to compile 0.20

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ChriZSpencer:

perhaps this time it works

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Torg:

you *could* tell it to not compile the backend and frontend, but why would you want to?

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Torg:

the lib is a necessary piece of that compile

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ChriZSpencer:

yes

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ChriZSpencer:

i am using atrpms and i did an update. now its not working anymore

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ChriZSpencer:

i removed all packages and reinstalled

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ChriZSpencer:

including libmyth

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ChriZSpencer:

and now it does not work anymore

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Torg:

how did you reinstall?

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ChriZSpencer:

there is no old version

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ChriZSpencer:

ok

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ChriZSpencer:

yum remove libmyth mythtv-suite and then install

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Torg:

what myth rpms do you have installed now?

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ChriZSpencer:

none

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ChriZSpencer:

i try to compile

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Torg:

what parts of myth do you have installed?

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ChriZSpencer:

all of it

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Torg:

uninstall it

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ChriZSpencer:

i just follow http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . _Fedora_Core

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ChriZSpencer:

how?

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ChriZSpencer:

uninstall?

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Torg:

make uninstall usualy works

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Torg:

if not you can always simply rm the binaires and libs

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ChriZSpencer:

i did

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ChriZSpencer:

yum remove mythtv-suite

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ChriZSpencer:

all libs were gone

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ChriZSpencer:

after reinstall same problem

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Torg:

yum is a package manager, nothing else

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ChriZSpencer:

yes

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Torg:

you said you have all of it installed, if not by pacakage how did you do it?

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ChriZSpencer:

ok

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ChriZSpencer:

i just had the packages of atrmps

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ChriZSpencer:

nothing more. sorry

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Torg:

ok what problem do you have when you compile myth?

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ChriZSpencer:

on my new hdd only that the frontend crashes. but i had it running

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ChriZSpencer:

on the production system

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ChriZSpencer:

i have lot of messages

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ChriZSpencer:

in the compile

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Torg:

what are the final 4?

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ChriZSpencer:

sas

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ChriZSpencer:

sorry

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ChriZSpencer:

its german

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Torg:

ignore warning, what did it error on

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ChriZSpencer:

something with an virtual destructor

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ChriZSpencer:

and finishs with error 2

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Torg:

if the compile failed, it will fail based upon an error. what was that error

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Torg:

error 2 is fatal and is the reason your comiple failed, but its just the exit code

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ChriZSpencer:

i am searching. i said make install after the error

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ChriZSpencer:

ok

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ChriZSpencer:

its ready

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Torg:

you do NOT make install untill the compile works

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ChriZSpencer:

oo

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ChriZSpencer:

i did

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Torg:

you cant

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ChriZSpencer:

h

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ChriZSpencer:

oh

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ChriZSpencer:

strange

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ChriZSpencer:

so what does it mean?

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Torg:

it means you half installed myth

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ChriZSpencer:

i think so

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Torg:

well what was the error when you compiled myth?

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ChriZSpencer:

i redo make. so i can report

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ChriZSpencer:

sub-myth error 2

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ChriZSpencer:

ld gave 1 ass end status back

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ChriZSpencer:

pastebin comes

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Torg:

sounds correct, that would have caused a bad lib (actaly shoudl ahve clled no lib)

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Torg:

ld is the linker

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ChriZSpencer:

means?

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Torg:

you link libaries, you link librarys to binaries

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Torg:

with a bad lib you cant link

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Torg:

but rather then giving you a bad lib, the lib should not have compiled (linked) in the first place

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ChriZSpencer:

pastebin timed out

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Torg:

pastebin.ca

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Torg:

pastebin.com

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ChriZSpencer:

com

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ChriZSpencer:

was it

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Torg:

use .ca

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ChriZSpencer:

http://pastebin.ca/259029

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ChriZSpencer:

i love my mythtv and spent so many hours that weekend

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ChriZSpencer:

fehler is error

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Torg:

when you did a connfigure, did you add dvb suuuport?

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Syn-:

anyone here using a voodoo3 in their mythtv?

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ChriZSpencer:

yes i added it. i need it

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Torg:

I belive you need it, what you got did not use it

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kormoc:

Syn-, doubtful, they're rather old and uncommon now a days

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Torg:

see what you pasted on lines 3 4 and 5

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Torg:

yes Syn I have one, I use it in my sql box, it runs console only

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Torg:

it cant even get close to showing tv, dont try

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ChriZSpencer:

;-)

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Syn-:

aye, guess ill have to play with settings to see if i can get it outputting to the tv correctly

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Syn-:

oh

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ChriZSpencer:

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Torg:

run make distclean

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ChriZSpencer:

could you help me?

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ChriZSpencer:

ok

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Torg:

then show me the options you are passing to configure

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Torg:

this will erase anything that was previously compiled

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ChriZSpencer:

ok

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ChriZSpencer:

./configure --prefix=/usr/local --enable-dvb

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ChriZSpencer:

ok?

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Torg:

do you want xvmc?

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ChriZSpencer:

btw. the compiling took to little time

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ChriZSpencer:

no

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ChriZSpencer:

it crashed my ati 9100 igp

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Torg:

yes it does not work with ati

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Torg:

its a nvidia only option

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ChriZSpencer:

should i use it? and make a make?

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Torg:

you cant use it, no

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kormoc:

Torg, there's a few other cards that can use it. intel's i810 can iirc

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ChriZSpencer:

no this

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Torg:

ok kormoc sorry

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Torg:

I know ati dosnt tho

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ChriZSpencer:

./configure --prefix=/usr/local --enable-dvb

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ChriZSpencer:

and qmake PREFIX=/usr/local mythtv.pro

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Torg:

do you have ccache or distcc?

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ChriZSpencer:

how could i prove?

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Torg:

type ccache what does it say?

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ChriZSpencer:

not found

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Torg:

add --diable-ccache

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Torg:

do you have more then one box to compile on?

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ChriZSpencer:

nope

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Torg:

err --disable-ccache

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ChriZSpencer:

just my loved

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Syn-:

same subject of old, hehe... anyone use an Intel Capture card before :)

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D-side:

ubuntu pissed me off, gentoo is pissing me off. i can't win.

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Torg:

add --disable-distcc too

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gurft:

D-side, what problem shave you had with ubuntu

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gurft:

I build my box off 6.10 Edgy and it took me only a few hours to be back watching TV again (it was a rebuild)

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D-side:

i told it to use nuvexport and it said AAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHH and jumped out the window

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ChriZSpencer:

qmake PREFIX=/usr/local mythtv.pro Should I use this?

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Torg:

you dont *have* to but its ok

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ChriZSpencer:

thank you for your help. i appreciate it!

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ChriZSpencer:

make is running

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ChriZSpencer:

and i think with less errors

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ChriZSpencer:

i could cry for that. i just wanted to go to bed before i started the update

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ChriZSpencer:

everything was fine, just my ms remote does not work with fc6

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ChriZSpencer:

its running

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Torg:

well its not done, and all I did was get rid of a few warnging that complained ccache and distcc were not working

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ChriZSpencer:

looks like the other hdd installation i tried

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ChriZSpencer:

do you think it runs to end?

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ChriZSpencer:

becaus, what changed to the last compile?

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Torg:

no I *hope* it does

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ChriZSpencer:

you hope. i hope more

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ChriZSpencer:

its a 3 ghz p4 800 fsb

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ChriZSpencer:

should take 10–15 mins if it not breaks #before

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ChriZSpencer:

i just want to understand compiling. its a shame i dont

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ChriZSpencer:

but i work on it and i am happy to ask someone online. thx

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Torg:

you take headders and include them in code, you run that code thre a precompiler

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Torg:

you take the output of the precompiles and put it into a binary

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Torg:

you take that binary and run it

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Torg:

you also can take that precode and package it into a lib

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Torg:

the bianry relies on the precompiled lib to do common things

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Torg:

that is compiling, in a nutshell

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ChriZSpencer:

;-)

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ChriZSpencer:

the problem is the reporting of it

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ChriZSpencer:

a beginner has no chance

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Torg:

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ChriZSpencer:

i try mediacenters and similar for 8 years

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Torg:

its probbly sometihing to the effect that ld failed

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Torg:

why did it fail?

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ChriZSpencer:

what is ld?

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Torg:

../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so: undefined reference to `TransportScanItem::TransportScanItem(int, QString const&, QString const&, DVBTuning&, unsigned int)'

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ChriZSpencer:

mom

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Torg:

those make it fail

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Torg:

an undefeined refernce is it attmepted to link or compile and had no refernce to do so

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ChriZSpencer:

i have 25 years computerexperience and no idea what you are talking about. congratulations;-)

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Torg:

A+B is the binary1, B+C is bianry2, B is the lib. If it cant find B it cant make binary1 or binary2

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Torg:

those undefined refernces is it cant find B, or something similar

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ChriZSpencer:

the destructor messages are comming again

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ChriZSpencer:

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Torg:

your compile is probbly slightly differnt then mine in english, but I belive that is an undefines variable

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ChriZSpencer:

ther is a lot of, i translate

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Torg:

if you try to add a variable to a variable or assign it a value it must fit into certain defenitions

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ChriZSpencer:

clas xxx has cirtual functions but not virtual destructor

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ChriZSpencer:

???

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ChriZSpencer:

many times

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Torg:

trying to make an int (say 5) = to 5.5 will give an error.

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Torg:

ahh that means someone defined something but failed to use it

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Torg:

its also a warning

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ChriZSpencer:

i haaaatttteeeee warnings

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ChriZSpencer:

its 20 past 2 in the night. i am so exhausted

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Torg:

go complain to the developers then :P

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ChriZSpencer:

hihi

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ChriZSpencer:

rotfl

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Torg:

those are fixed when a developer refers to "cleaning the code"

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Torg:

they dont really effect the operation so they are mostly ignored

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ChriZSpencer:

a join away

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Torg:

pathcing code is a exercise in low hanging fruit

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ChriZSpencer:

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Torg:

sucessfull

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ChriZSpencer:

funny

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ChriZSpencer:

it looks not so bad

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Torg:

I dont know what it will tell you in German tho

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ChriZSpencer:

it runs

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ChriZSpencer:

destructor sounds dangerous

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ChriZSpencer:

and 2 hours to go for csi vegas

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Torg:

its what happens in C++ when you define a stucture, called a constuctor but fail to define its destructor

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Torg:

its again a warning

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ChriZSpencer:

how could i create a rpm. i have a running version on the other hdd?

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ChriZSpencer:

if it fails

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Torg:

if an object goes out of scope a destuctor cleans it up

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Torg:

without the destructor you would have trash in your memory., the compiler knows this. sees the problem, defeins is own destructor and happy goes on its way

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Torg:

you failed to define one so the compiler gave you one, and told you (via a warning) it did

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ChriZSpencer:

aha

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ChriZSpencer:

interesting.

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ChriZSpencer:

the question was if its possible to move the installation from the other hdd ?

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ChriZSpencer:

i prepared a new installation on the same pc

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Torg:

you could clone the drive

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ChriZSpencer:

no

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ChriZSpencer:

i just can boot it

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ChriZSpencer:

;-)

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Torg:

you could cpio the stuff, tar it, do whatever you wanted

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ChriZSpencer:

the compile worked

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Torg:

why cant you boot it?

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Torg:

what was the last thing the compile said?

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ChriZSpencer:

i can boot it

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ChriZSpencer:

it still runs

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ChriZSpencer:

look

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ChriZSpencer:

on the new installation (my aim) mythtv worked

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ChriZSpencer:

then i had to reinstall, i forgot why

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ChriZSpencer:

then i compiled a new

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ChriZSpencer:

obivously with xvmc

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ChriZSpencer:

then mythfrontend stopped the machine

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ChriZSpencer:

i recompiled without

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ChriZSpencer:

and its still crashing

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ChriZSpencer:

i think the make uninstall could help?

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Torg:

well its not crashing its failing to compile

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ChriZSpencer:

nono

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ChriZSpencer:

it has compiled

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Torg:

and you havent compile dit before, you have installed it from rpm

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ChriZSpencer:

sorry

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ChriZSpencer:

this systemdisk is the old

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ChriZSpencer:

it worked

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ChriZSpencer:

not now

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Torg:

what worked?

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ChriZSpencer:

mythtv from package

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ChriZSpencer:

so. i want it compiled on the new hdd

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Torg:

yes what you are deceibing is bad package managment

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ChriZSpencer:

at this moment i want it work

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ChriZSpencer:

so if this compile fails

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Torg:

that wonderfull pakcage management is why I compile myth from svn

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ChriZSpencer:

i boot the other hdd

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ChriZSpencer:

there is a compiled svn!

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ChriZSpencer:

but mythfrontend hangs the system

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ChriZSpencer:

then i think i do a make uninstall

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ChriZSpencer:

a make cleandist

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Torg:

when you say hangs the system, does the system become unresponsive or does mythfrontend?

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ChriZSpencer:

and i use the package or recompile without xvmc

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ChriZSpencer:

system hangs. just ping. no ssh

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ChriZSpencer:

and i watch the shell that says

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Torg:

then its calling bad libs, bad drivers, etc

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ChriZSpencer:

xvmc failed

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Torg:

then dont use xvmc

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Torg:

why are you using it anyway?

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ChriZSpencer:

i failed recompiling

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ChriZSpencer:

i did configure make make install

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Torg:

this has nothing to do with compiling

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ChriZSpencer:

but the old was there

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ChriZSpencer:

really?

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Torg:

in order to use xvmc you MUST tell myth to do so

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ChriZSpencer:

yes, i did

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ChriZSpencer:

my fault

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Torg:

you did this via the frontend under playback options

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ChriZSpencer:

no

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Torg:

yes, you had to

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ChriZSpencer:

i didnt

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Torg:

that or you went into the database and edited the settings by hand

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Torg:

if your frontend is using xvmc it is doing so becas the option is set to do so

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Torg:

if you did it, the package did it, or something set it is irregarless

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Torg:

you CAN NOT use it unless you implicity tell it to do so

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ShiftyPowers:

Torg, i got my tuning to work finally btw!

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ShiftyPowers:

all great in HD

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ChriZSpencer:

ok. watch the history hiere. iposted it

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Torg:

in fact there are many people who come here who have issues trying to get xvmc to work

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ChriZSpencer:

i dont want it

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ShiftyPowers:

and it was thanks to your methods

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ShiftyPowers:

so thanks

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Torg:

I know you dont want it, turn it off :)

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ChriZSpencer:

i started mythfrontend by shell, then i changed to the shell and wathed

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Torg:

sure ShiftyPowers np

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ChriZSpencer:

the compile still runs

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ChriZSpencer:

good

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kormoc:

Torg, went over that with him earlier, didn't get anywhere

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ShiftyPowers:

but now i have another issue, i can't get zap2it guide information for a couple of channels

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ChriZSpencer:

i try to search my post

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Torg:

ShiftyPowers they need xmltvids

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gurft:

I'm having a wierd problem, whenever I try to rip a CD with mythmusic, the CD just ejects, no messages about it in the log... DVD ripping works fine.

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ChriZSpencer:

is there no search in mirc?

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ShiftyPowers:

they have some sort of xmltvids

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ShiftyPowers:

should i just run mythfilldatabase again?

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ShiftyPowers:

or will that run the risk of ruining the modifications i made ot the channel lists?

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Torg:

ShiftyPowers are you sure those ids are correct? if so yes simply running mythfilldatabase shoudl give them data

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ShiftyPowers:

i'm not sure they are correct

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ShiftyPowers:

don't know how to check if they are

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Torg:

go to zap2it, not the labs, and look up the channels

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Torg:

if you look in the url it lonks to each channel there will be an id

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Torg:

that is the xmltvid, veryfy its good

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ShiftyPowers:

ah

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ShiftyPowers:

excellent

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ShiftyPowers:

just what i wanted

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ShiftyPowers:

thanks man

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ChriZSpencer:

/me t to 53% this time (10th time round) so maybe it won't come to that

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ShiftyPowers:

and then is it mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates or just a mythfilldatabase with no options?

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ChriZSpencer:

<ChriZSpencer> Anybody could help: After compiling I start Livetv and linux freezes. The Shell from the Frontend says: xvmctex: init failed. What can I do?

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Torg:

no just plain, dont do the channel updates unless you want to loose all those scanned channels

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GreyFoxx:

any gentoo users about right now ?

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D-side:

i am

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kormoc:

i am

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D-side:

i'm none too thrilled with it at the moment, but thats just me. :)

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ChriZSpencer:

suceeeesssssss

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ChriZSpencer:

no error

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ChriZSpencer:

make install

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kormoc:

i am thrilled as always

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GreyFoxx:

Can you send me the mysql and qt ebuild scripts? I've looked and don't seen them obviously available on the gentoo.org site

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ChriZSpencer:

it works

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ChriZSpencer:

it semms

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D-side:

i'm rsyncing over an existing install (booted and running on a usb 2.0) drive to the sata drive where i want it to live.

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ChriZSpencer:

please wait

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Torg:

ShiftyPowers for example my local ABC station in ATSC is http://tvlistings5.zap2it.com/tvlistings/Grid . . . ;channel=8.1 of it the stnNum is the xmltvid

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ChriZSpencer:

thank you so much

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ShiftyPowers:

gotcha

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/*checkou . . . 26-r1.ebuild

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GreyFoxx:

obviously I didn't look hard enough

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GreyFoxx:

know where QT is on there ?

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kormoc:

http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/*checkou . . . .6-r5.ebuild

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kormoc:

tis okay, it's not exactly... linked the happiest

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ChriZSpencer:

ok torg. i need you again please

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ChriZSpencer:

mythfrontend crashed again

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ChriZSpencer:

hmmm

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Torg:

what did it crash on?

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ChriZSpencer:

so. i started livetv and linux crashed

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Torg:

is the FE on a seperate box then the BE?

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ChriZSpencer:

same

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ChriZSpencer:

the most important is the be

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Torg:

it sounds like you have hardware issues tho

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ChriZSpencer:

but what is it

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ChriZSpencer:

yes

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ChriZSpencer:

but it was in both installations

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ChriZSpencer:

and my configure was without xvmc

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Torg:

id suggest you reolve those first

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ChriZSpencer:

hmmm

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ChriZSpencer:

???

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ChriZSpencer:

-r?

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Torg:

no go fix whatever drivere, irq problem, memroy issue you have

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ChriZSpencer:

i dont have

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ChriZSpencer:

it worked an hour ago

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ChriZSpencer:

on this installation

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Torg:

if your box is crashing, without a coredump I can only guess as to why

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Torg:

my guess is it is hardware related

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ChriZSpencer:

not crashing

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ChriZSpencer:

ping still works

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ChriZSpencer:

no ssh

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Torg:

you told a piece of hardware to do someting it could not, the driver failed to trap the error, and the cpu crashed

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Torg:

do you have a console on the box?

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Cybertoy:

hi ... anyone know how long a channel scan takes? this is my first time I'm using mythtv...

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Cybertoy:

somewhere I read that it can be 45 minutes...

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ChriZSpencer:

yes

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Cybertoy:

tnx

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ChriZSpencer:

but i cant get in

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ChriZSpencer:

cybertoy what do you have? dvb?

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Cybertoy:

chriz, I have skystar 2 with dishpro lnb.

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Cybertoy:

uh .. yeah .. dvb

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ChriZSpencer:

could take 30 mins

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ChriZSpencer:

did it find something?

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Cybertoy:

ok... and is it normal to not see anything on the screen?

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Cybertoy:

nothing at all so far... it's been running for at least 15 minutes

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ChriZSpencer:

bad

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ChriZSpencer:

torg: i start live tv again and watch the shell

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ChriZSpencer:

ok. recording works

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ChriZSpencer:

view recorded

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ChriZSpencer:

now all works

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ChriZSpencer:

i love you all guys

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ChriZSpencer:

ah

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ChriZSpencer:

i renamed .mythtv!

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ChriZSpencer:

torg: still there?

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Torg:

yes

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ChriZSpencer:

i thank you so much

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ChriZSpencer:

i have a mod for mythtv i want to try these days

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ChriZSpencer:

so i only could do with compile

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Torg:

np I hope it works for you

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ChriZSpencer:

it does

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ChriZSpencer:

i am so happy

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ChriZSpencer:

so there is one soundissue, the remote and the patch left

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ChriZSpencer:

then i have it all

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ChriZSpencer:

its strange

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ChriZSpencer:

one day my ac3 passthrough makes problems with my receiver. the dolbylogo is blinking

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ChriZSpencer:

but it worked

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ChriZSpencer:

one day it stoped:-)

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Torg:

what audio card do you have?

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betolley:

What is ir-kbd-i2c

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ChriZSpencer:

so torg. i go to sleep. thank you very much. i will also help here if i can

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ChriZSpencer:

n8

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Torg:

an i2c monitor for an ir keyboard id presume

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Torg:

take care ChriZSpencer

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ChriZSpencer:

do you think i can use the themes from package?

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Torg:

I dont see why not, themes are not based opn version or libs

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ChriZSpencer:

ok

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ChriZSpencer:

are there more themes anywhere?

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ChriZSpencer:

the delivered are nice, but not super

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Torg:

yes there are q few

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ChriZSpencer:

really?

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Torg:

juski makes some I know of

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Torg:

how much memory is in that box?

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ChriZSpencer:

there are a few in atrpms

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ChriZSpencer:

are there more?

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Torg:

I dont know whats in atrpms to tell you if they differ

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ChriZSpencer:

i see

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ChriZSpencer:

media center, grayham,

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ChriZSpencer:

hihi

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Torg:

but the them you use depends on how much memory your box has

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ChriZSpencer:

yum was about to install libmyth

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ChriZSpencer:

brrrr

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ChriZSpencer:

insane

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Torg:

nicer themses take more memory

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ChriZSpencer:

i compile them

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ChriZSpencer:

i have a gig

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ChriZSpencer:

and 3ghz

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ChriZSpencer:

enough

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ChriZSpencer:

do you have an url?

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Torg:

for the themes?

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ChriZSpencer:

yes

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ChriZSpencer:

btw. i have to customize the webfrontend. but not tonight

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Torg:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/comingsoon/

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Torg:

thats juskis blootube you see him talking about

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys.....

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Mattwj2005:

anyone in the room have a large storage system?

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GreyFoxx:

define large

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ChriZSpencer:

this is awesome

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ChriZSpencer:

thanks

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Mattwj2005:

>1 TB

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GreyFoxx:

Mattwj2005: I have a terabyte at work and aterabyte here

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brad2:

evening gang

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GreyFoxx:

for myth

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GreyFoxx:

getting time to build something bigger at home though

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Mattwj2005:

Are you doing raid?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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Mattwj2005:

what type of raid?

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Torg:

no he has a super secret 1tb disk :P

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GreyFoxx:

Mattwj2005: software raid 5

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Mattwj2005:

haha Torg

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brad2:

hey guys, have any of you ever dabbled with myth-frontend over the network? I'm giving it a shot, but i'm apparently not that talented, lol

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Mattwj2005:

you lose 1/3 right?

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GreyFoxx:

Mattwj2005: You loose 1 drive

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Torg:

you loose 1 drive if its a 3x you loose 1/3

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GreyFoxx:

I have 6 drives, 5 drives of space

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Torg:

if its a 8x you loose 1/8

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Mattwj2005:

okay

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mishehu:

brad2: what the heck do you mean by "dabbling with mythfrontend over the network" ?

[02:09:47]

gurft:

Alright, anyone know how to get rid of the pink/green line at the top of my PVR-150 recordings

[02:10:00]

gurft:

I can overscan it out at my house, but when I cut to DVD and watch somewhere else, we see it.

[02:10:19]

GreyFoxx:

brad2: I've got 4 network frontends, and acouple that are on and off, so yeah :)

[02:10:20]

mishehu:

I run mythfrontend on frontends-that-are-not-backend machines all the time

[02:10:21]

Mattwj2005:

yeah hard drives have really came down

[02:10:39]

brad2:

well basically i'm trying to have a mythfrontend (my laptop) connect to the backend server, and it seems to connect alright.. but when i go to watch liveTV, it can't seem to find the recording file... do i have to mount the recording directory on my front-end box?

[02:10:48]

Mattwj2005:

I so want to do a raid 0 configuration

[02:10:50]

Mattwj2005:

:P

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GreyFoxx:

brad2: IT should be able to pull it via the mythprotocol

[02:11:26]

Mattwj2005:

my luck I'll lose a drive

[02:11:33]

Torg:

then do raid5

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mishehu:

brad2: negative

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mishehu:

brad2: do you have a frontend running also on the backend machine?

[02:12:01]

Mattwj2005:

I was thinking 3 250 GB hard drives

[02:12:23]

brad2:

mis: yes i do

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GreyFoxx:

While yes, my data is not "important" but I wouldbe mighty pissed if Ilost it all :),so sacrificing a single driver is worth it to me :)

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone know how to force a pchdtv to be video0 and a pvr-250 in the same system to load as video1?

[02:12:28]

brad2:

here is the error I guet:

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brad2:

2006-11–26 20:57:35.597 TV: Attempting to change from None to WatchingLiveTV

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Mattwj2005:

GreyFoxx software or hardware raid?

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GreyFoxx:

especially since I can get320G satadrives for less than $100 CDN

[02:12:38]

brad2:

2006-11–26 20:57:35.606 Using protocol version 31

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mishehu:

brad2: are you able to watch livetv from the frontend process running on the backend machine?

[02:12:43]

brad2:

2006-11–26 20:57:42.191 RingBuf(/home/mythtv/video/recordings//1003_20061126211148.mpg): Could not open /home/mythtv/video/recordings//1003_20061126211148.mpg.

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GreyFoxx:

Mattwj2005: Software

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brad2:

2006-11–26 20:57:42.272 NVP::OpenFile(): Error, file not found: /home/mythtv/video/recordings//1003_20061126211148.mpg

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brad2:

2006-11–26 20:57:42.273 TV Error: StartPlayer(): NVP is not playing after 20000 msec

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Mattwj2005:

how do you recover with software raid?

[02:13:00]

brad2:

2006-11–26 20:57:42.313 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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GreyFoxx:

I don't like being tied to specific hardwre vendors

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brad2:

sorry for spam on that

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brad2:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

Mattwj2005: remove bad drive

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mishehu:

brad2: I suggest pastebin if you have more than 2 or 3 lines to paste

[02:13:16]

GreyFoxx:

install good drive

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GreyFoxx:

add good drive to raid set

[02:13:26]

GreyFoxx:

and it will do it all on it's own

[02:13:29]

brad2:

pastebin?

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mishehu:

brad2: i.e. pastebin.com, pastebin.ca...

[02:13:53]

Mattwj2005:

ide or sata?

[02:13:58]

brad2:

ok

[02:13:59]

GreyFoxx:

either

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mishehu:

brad2: but in any event, can you watch livetv from the frontend process running on the backend machine?

[02:14:05]

GreyFoxx:

no reason you can't mix and match

[02:14:06]

brad2:

yes

[02:14:09]

Mattwj2005:

what do you have? :)

[02:14:10]

GreyFoxx:

but these days I'd buy sata

[02:14:19]

GreyFoxx:

IDE at home, sata in my work myth box

[02:14:28]

GreyFoxx:

the work one is newer :)

[02:14:29]

Mattwj2005:

I am just afraid of bad sata linux support :(

[02:14:34]

mishehu:

brad2: definitely sounds like a misconfiguration then. you running 0.20 ?

[02:14:38]

brad2:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

Mattwj2005: Never had a problem in a year

[02:15:07]

GreyFoxx:

but I usually stick to nvidia board, most of the time

[02:15:30]

Mattwj2005:

nvidia make sata cards?

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mishehu:

brad2: you're not running mythbackend on the laptop are you?

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brad2:

no, just on the server

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GreyFoxx:

Mattwj2005: sata on the motherboard

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Mattwj2005:

oh got you

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GreyFoxx:

I've never used a PCI sata controller though we have some laying around at work

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brad2:

and i went to the server and ran mythtv-setup again, to change the ips from 127.0.0.1 to the actual ip address

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Mattwj2005:

you can send one of those my way if your not using it ;)

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Torg:

what a PCI sata controler, there cheap

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Mattwj2005:

Torg....the price isn't the problem.....it is compatibility that I am worried about

[02:17:38]

Torg:

I run sata drives in my BE and FE

[02:17:44]

Torg:

I boot off them, they run fine

[02:17:56]

Mattwj2005:

native support in linux?

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Mattwj2005:

no kernel build or anything :)

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Torg:

well I run Debian on them

[02:18:22]

Torg:

right out of the box, no modification, didnt even give it a second thought

[02:18:32]

Mattwj2005:

sweetness

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Torg:

the only reason I dont run more of them is heat

[02:19:11]

Mattwj2005:

it'll be mid/end of January before I am ready to buy anyways :)

[02:19:23]

Mattwj2005:

how many drives do you have?

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mishehu:

brad2: well, I'm not certain what the problem is, but only the machine running the mythbackend process with the capture card in question needs access to that path.

[02:19:44]

kormoc:

there's a lot of sata controlers supported out of the box, and have been for awhile

[02:20:12]

brad2:

hmmmmm okay.. that is good to know

[02:20:18]

brad2:

that eliminates one question :>

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Mattwj2005:

there are a lot of new technology I haven't tried yet....64 bit support, multicore, sata, pci-express, etc

[02:21:14]

Mattwj2005:

heck I just bought my first ipod last Sunday :)

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** mishehu pets his 64 bit some which are multicore all contain sata and pci-express machines **

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** kormoc peers at his 64 bit multicore box, with sata drives and a pci-e video card **

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Torg:

my fe has one drive, my be has two

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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Mattwj2005:

thanks guys :-P

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Torg:

I use a 300G sata drive to store recordings

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Torg:

where I to set up an array id do it externaly

[02:22:18]

kormoc:

I use 320 gb sata drives

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livingtm:

Im watching a video that started recording 20 minutes ago. when i play it back while its still recording, should it be skiping commercials?

[02:22:43]

Torg:

actualy kormoc I believe it is a 320G drive I just round it off

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Torg:

livingtm are you watching it as its recording?

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livingtm:

yes its still recording, i started watching about 10 minutes in

[02:23:46]

livingtm:

does it do that processing when its done recording?

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Torg:

do you tell your backend to start commercial detection on recording?

[02:24:06]

livingtm:

where do i set that?

[02:24:10]

Torg:

its proobly just not cought up to your watching

[02:24:15]

Torg:

its part of the be setup

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Torg:

real time commerical detection requres a fairly fast processor

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livingtm:

hmm ill have to check the server settings. the frontend setting is right

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livingtm:

server side processor?

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Torg:

BE processor

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ShiftyPowers:

Torg, what's the process for downloading channel icons you were talking about yesterday?

[02:27:20]

livingtm:

so it starts processing while its recording.. but i mihgt be watching ahead of the processing

[02:28:04]

Torg:

ShiftyPowers there should be a mkiconmap.pl to do it for you, barring that get them from wherever you please (I copy them from zap2it), put them in a directory

[02:28:12]

madd_matt:

MythTV was supposed to record a few things today, but when I went to watch them, the files were missing! They appear to have recorded, but it just didn't save a file or something.

[02:28:20]

Torg:

then take that directory, amke it readable by all, and edit each channel with its pic

[02:28:42]

D-side:

i wish i could get the amd64 install going with nuvexport.

[02:29:09]

hatredx:

?

[02:29:26]

mishehu:

I still manually edit and batch transcode my recording :-/

[02:29:34]

Mattwj2005:

yeah 250 GB hd are only $100 :)

[02:30:05]

hatredx:

500gb is 150

[02:30:11]

livingtm:

i have beryl running. everytime the window is not on top (it goes less that 100%opacity) i get the blue background effect. is this something that can be fixed?

[02:30:31]

Mattwj2005:

where at?

[02:30:34]

ShiftyPowers:

hey, in order for zap2it to download guide data, do I need only an xmltvid on my end or do i have to have that channel in my listings at labs.zap2it.com?

[02:30:38]

hatredx:

its not sata

[02:30:46]

hatredx:

www.newegg.com

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Torg:

ShiftyPowers yes, and yes

[02:30:49]

hatredx:

deal page

[02:30:52]

Mattwj2005:

I am don't want to order online.....I got one dead on delivery :(

[02:30:54]

ShiftyPowers:

balls that's annoying

[02:30:56]

hatredx:

320 for 89

[02:31:02]

Mattwj2005:

from newegg too

[02:31:15]

hatredx:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148140

[02:31:15]

ShiftyPowers:

it's not the easiest to create the listings

[02:31:42]

Torg:

anyone running debian stable having issues with 686.get_pc_thunk

[02:32:16]

kormoc:

320 gb sata drive for $90 on their deal's page

[02:32:22]

kormoc:

so 250 pata for $100 isn't so hot

[02:32:35]

livingtm:

i got bought two 250G sata/300's for 67 bucks a piece

[02:32:52]

livingtm:

compusa with rebate...

[02:33:00]

** kormoc peers at his wish list for 8x 500 gb drives **

[02:33:08]

kash:

man

[02:33:18]

livingtm:

i just made a software raid for my media

[02:33:29]

kash:

what are some good encoder settings for good quality and low space usage?

[02:33:34]

Mattwj2005:

3 500 GB in Raid 5 would be awesome :)

[02:33:46]

kormoc:

8x 500 in raid 5 with one as a hot spare :P

[02:33:53]

kash:

i've got 4TB of space, and 3.8TB is being used

[02:33:55]

kash:

>:(

[02:33:56]

** kormoc drools **

[02:33:59]

kash:

i didn't even realise

[02:34:07]

Mattwj2005:

dang kash :P

[02:34:11]

Torg:

kash what do you run those in?

[02:34:18]

Mattwj2005:

what do you need all that storage for?

[02:34:24]

kash:

HDTV recordings

[02:34:36]

kash:

SATA II, 500GB drives

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Mattwj2005:

how many hours is that anyways? :)

[02:34:41]

kash:

RAID 0+1

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kormoc:

that's like having 3 gigs for sd tv :

[02:34:45]

kormoc:

:P

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Torg:

yes kash, what do you run those in?

[02:35:05]

kormoc:

I love linux software raid's features

[02:35:09]

kormoc:

you can grow raid-5 now :P

[02:35:11]

kash:

it's a standalone NAS

[02:35:24]

kash:

FreeBSD 5.3

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Torg:

ive been looking for an external enclosure I can put a hardware raid card in

[02:35:59]

Torg:

I just wonderd what yuo were using

[02:36:13]

Torg:

I can get raid aways all day long, problem is I dont have a FC card

[02:36:16]

kormoc:

I really like the intel nas units for cheap nas love'n

[02:36:22]

Torg:

that and they produce heat like space heaters

[02:36:23]

Mattwj2005:

if I was rich I think I would buy a 1 PB server like archive.org uses

[02:36:33]

kash:

i took old compaq, added a gigabit ethernet card, some 8-way RAID cards, and water cooling for all the drives

[02:36:40]

kash:

uses a shiteload of coolant

[02:36:46]

kormoc:

god help you if you sping a leak

[02:36:51]

kash:

wouldn't do anything

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Mattwj2005:

water cooled?

[02:36:54]

Torg:

id expect so, but water and electronics scare me

[02:37:03]

kormoc:

kash, why wouldn't it?

[02:37:20]

kash:

it's not water

[02:37:21]

kash:

it's coolant

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kash:

non-conductive

[02:37:29]

kormoc:

what coolant?

[02:37:32]

kormoc:

the 3m stuff?

[02:37:34]

kash:

no

[02:37:39]

kash:

Koolance

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D-side:

yes this is outstanding, the whole thing is fucked over.

[02:37:48]

D-side:

very nice

[02:37:53]

kash:

LIQ-700BU-B

[02:38:00]

kash:

comes in 600mL containers

[02:38:23]

Mattwj2005:

kash your system is awesome!

[02:38:29]

kash:

i use Areca ARC-1220s

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kash:

as controllers

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kash:

thanks Mattwj2005.

[02:38:50]

Mattwj2005:

no problem

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kormoc:

kash, huh, koolance's website doesn't say it's non-conductive

[02:39:11]

kash:

it is though

[02:39:20]

kash:

i know it is

[02:39:21]

kormoc:

got any links about it?

[02:39:22]

kash:

i've spilled it :p

[02:39:29]

ShiftyPowers:

Torg, some of the channels, despite being on my listing at zap2it and having proper xmltvids don't pull the right listings data

[02:39:32]

kormoc:

well, water doesn't instantly kill

[02:39:43]

kash:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_cooling

[02:39:45]

kormoc:

I've had motherboards in pools of water, some love and they work fine

[02:39:45]

ShiftyPowers:

for example ABC still pulls the same for both minor channels

[02:39:49]

Cybertoy:

anyone here use mythtv with dvb?

[02:39:57]

ShiftyPowers:

but they have slightly different listings

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Torg:

Cybertoy most of us do

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ShiftyPowers:

any ideas?

[02:40:16]

kash:

i've got 3 tuners, a DVB-S, DVB-T, and sdtv

[02:40:18]

ShiftyPowers:

does the Name of hte channel (not hte callsign) have to be different for each subchannel?

[02:40:18]

Mattwj2005:

I use HDTV cybertoy :)

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kormoc:

kash, that link doesn't talk about koolance at all

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Cybertoy:

ok .. it seems to me that mythtv-setup won't save any DiSEqC settings for my capture card...

[02:40:37]

kash:

the sdtv recordings take up a loot of space

[02:40:42]

kash:

kormoc: it's not just koolance

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kash:

any computer coolant is nonconductive

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Cybertoy:

and when I try to configure them it often crashes...

[02:40:52]

Torg:

yes ShiftyPowers its common, one is HD the other is SD

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kash:

don't tell me you don't know anything about cooling

[02:40:59]

kormoc:

kash, that's not true at all

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ShiftyPowers:

yea but according to the main www.zap2it.com they have slightly different listings

[02:41:16]

ShiftyPowers:

and they won't show up

[02:41:20]

ShiftyPowers:

different

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ShiftyPowers:

they show up identical

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kormoc:

kash, Fluorinert is the most non-conductive but most oils like mineral oils have issues at certain temptures and impurity levels

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Torg:

did you enable EIT for them?

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Cybertoy:

even if I manage to connect one LNB to the switch and esc out of the config... going back in there's nothing.

[02:41:53]

ShiftyPowers:

nope, no EIT

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ShiftyPowers:

it's not enabled

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ShiftyPowers:

should I?

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kormoc:

kash, fluorinert is ungodly costly, which is why if there's a cheaper, truely non-conductive one out there, it'd be nice to hear about

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Torg:

ShiftyPowers I do, but only for when zap2it is wrong becase a bcaster updated the schedule

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kash:

it's close enough to non-conductive to not have to worry about it.

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Torg:

ShiftyPowers so far it hasnt gotten me anything

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kash:

if you want true non-conductiveness, use distilled water

[02:42:42]

ShiftyPowers:

but their main site shows a different listing for that xmltvid

[02:42:43]

ShiftyPowers:

so weird

[02:42:57]

Torg:

yes kash but it would prick up impurity from the tubes and become conductive

[02:42:59]

kormoc:

kash, heh, doesn't work. the PCB is dirty enough to tant distilled water to be conductive within minutes

[02:43:04]

ShiftyPowers:

but also, there are 3 channels that just don't pull any data from zap2it

[02:43:12]

ShiftyPowers:

despite being in my listings and with xmltvids correct

[02:43:19]

ShiftyPowers:

i don't knwo what's going on there

[02:43:23]

kash:

kormoc: that was a faint idea of sarcasm

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Torg:

ShiftyPowers it may just be zap2it flakyness

[02:43:33]

kormoc:

kash, and any oil based solution like what I suspect the koolance is still causes PCBs to warp when soaked in it for any amount of time

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ShiftyPowers:

balls

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ShiftyPowers:

ok

[02:44:13]

Cybertoy:

nobody seen that before, huh?

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kash:

kormoc: monoethylne glycol

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kash:

monoethylene*

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kash:

that's what's in it

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kormoc:

ahh, typical radiator coolant then, which is slightly conductive sadly :/

[02:45:04]

kash:

not conductive enough :p

[02:45:04]

ShiftyPowers:

where is that mkiconmap.pl Torg?

[02:45:09]

kash:

kormoc: it's fine

[02:45:14]

kash:

i had a huge leak

[02:45:17]

kash:

nothing happened

[02:45:30]

kormoc:

kash, sure, it's all about luck a bit

[02:45:50]

Torg:

ShiftyPowers it shoudl already bee on yor system, its part of hte xmltv stuff

[02:45:54]

kormoc:

kash, I've had a motherboard sitting in a pool of water, for 6 hours, and some love, a hair drier, and some luck, and she was fine

[02:46:08]

ShiftyPowers:

but how do i run it for hte icons?

[02:46:17]

kormoc:

kash, but it's always better to get better stuff if it's out there

[02:46:27]

Torg:

you just run it, it will ask for you zipcode and download icons for you

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livingtm:

according to gnome-system-monitor, when watching TV, im only streaming 300KiB/s. that shouldnt cause video to skip should it?

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ShiftyPowers:

ah

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kash:

http://www.viperlair.com/reviews/cooling/liqu . . . /blocks/hdd/

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kash:

i use that for my drives

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kormoc:

heh, yeah, my bro uses them

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kash:

i need some for my desktop

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kash:

:/

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kash:

i also think i may need a new radiator or something

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kormoc:

heater cores tend to work really really well

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kash:

kormoc: my system was being cooled adequately.. but then all of a sudden, it's heating up

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kash:

the coolant transfer tubes are warm instead of cool

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kormoc:

hrm, you sure you didn't get a air bubble somewhere?

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kash:

yep

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kash:

it's running

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kash:

i use a coolant tank

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kormoc:

we had that problem once, where in a multi-lane system, we got a air bubble in the hard drive path, and so it wasn't passing any coolant along that lane at all, and it got ungodly hot

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kash:

so no air bubbles

[02:53:35]

kash:

yeah

[02:53:39]

kash:

no problem like that here

[02:54:01]

kash:

sometimes when i move the system i have to turn the pump so it's pumping again

[02:54:50]

kash:

i had an athlon 64 with this radiator before, and it did an ok job

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kash:

but now with my X2 it's doing not so well

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kash:

i think the radiator is too cheap

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kormoc:

heater core! :P

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kormoc:

you should hop down to the auto parts store and see if they have any in the size you want

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kormoc:

they tend to be 50% less then ordering a 'computer' one

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kormoc:

and exactly the same, if not slightly better

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kash:

what's it do?

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kash:

that's like.. my radiator, only not.

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D-side:

meh. i'm having cluebie gentoo issues. wtf

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kormoc:

a heater core is the unit that the hot radiator fluid passes though and the passanger heating system blows on to give you heat in the car itself

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Torg:

hmm do they make a damn 10 drive case with water coolling that DOSNT have those damn ricer options

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kormoc:

so it's just a small radiator

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kormoc:

kash, http://www.dangerden.com/images/heater_core/d . . . _core_lg.jpg

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kash:

so it doesn't cool?

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kormoc:

kash, that's a largeish one, it holds 2x120's

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kormoc:

kash, sure it does

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kormoc:

kash, when you pass hot liquid though it, with a fan blowing though it, it transfers heat from the liquid to the air

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madd_matt:

Something is seriously wrong with my mythTV — I can't delete recordings! And it seems I can't make new ones either.

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kormoc:

kash, so it cools the liquid, which is your goal

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kash:

madd_matt: check perms

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kash:

kormoc: ah

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madd_matt:

kash: Thats the first thing I checked. I chmod'ed everything +rw

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kash:

i use a dangerden cpu block

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kash:

madd_matt: run mythfrontend from console and see the output

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kormoc:

ooh, you're still gonna use that, this will just replace the radiator you currently have, only much cheaper in theory

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kormoc:

kash, http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?pro . . . 5&page=1

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kash:

kormoc: lemme find a pic of my radiator

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kash:

i believe i know the problem

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Cybertoy:

hmm... so it seems that I'm experiencing ticket 2713 ... mythtv-setup crashes when editing LNB in diseqc setup ...

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kormoc:

kash, if you look at that radiator vs the heater core, you don't have all the interconnecting fins on the comptuer radiator. this actually decreases heat transfer, due to being less serface area to transfer the heat from the liquid to the air.

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kash:

hm

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madd_matt:

kash: You were right, I seem to have accidentally changed the group that the directory was owned by :$

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kash:

kormoc: my radiator's inlets aren't at the top of the fins

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kash:

it's at the bottom

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kormoc:

heh, you can turn it upside down if you want

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kormoc:

doesn't overly matter

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kash:

http://www.triware.it/ebay/thermaltake/bigwat . . . radiator.jpg

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kormoc:

having them at the top helps ensure there's never going to be trapped air in it

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kash:

so the coolant doesn't need to run thru the fins?

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kash:

how does it work?

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kormoc:

ooh, it does

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kormoc:

the coolant runs though the fins in both styles

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kormoc:

but air floats in liquid, so if you have air trapped in the top of your radiator, it won't get pushed out, and you have a small 'dead' zone

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kash:

hummm

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kash:

but i can't turn it upside-down

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kormoc:

ooh? why's that?

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kash:

it won't mount like that

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kash:

:/

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kormoc:

ick :/

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kash:

holes don't match

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gctaylor:

Generally, should I be able to display LiveTV on my X display with a PVR-350 and a NV GeForce4 MX 440 ? I don't have a TV.

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kormoc:

gctaylor, sure

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kash:

i accidentally tasted the coolant once :p

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kash:

it tastes sweet

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kormoc:

heh, indeed

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kash:

smells sweet too

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kormoc:

the glycol is actually a sugar

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kormoc:

it's why animals drink radiator fluid and die :/

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madd_matt:

gctaylor: Doing it right now.

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gctaylor:

kormoc: Can you tell me what terms to research? I can't seem to find anything. I get a blank screen when I try to watch live tv.

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kormoc:

gctaylor, well, make sure you don't have the 350's tvout features enabled, as you're not using them

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kormoc:

gctaylor, and check the output the frontend dumps and see if it complains about any errors or what not

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madd_matt:

gctaylor: Got the nvidia drivers installed?

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gctaylor:

how do I disable the tvout? madd_matt: I think I have the nvidia drivers installed. In xorg.conf I'm using Driver "nv"

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kormoc:

that's the nv driver, not the nvidia driver

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kormoc:

download the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com

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madd_matt:

gctaylor: The nv driver doesn't support hardware accellerated video AFAIK. You can still use the nv drivers, but the ones from nvidia.com are considerably faster and support the hardware features of your card.

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Torg:

wget http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . 629-pkg1.run

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gctaylor:

Oh man... feeling stupid.

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Mattwj2005:

well guys I am off

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Mattwj2005:

have a good one everyone :)

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Shikkie:

lol, I just reached to fast forward through commercials on a seinfeld DVD. I'm addicted to time shifting

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kormoc:

commercials? on a DVD?

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Torg:

I do that on live tv, it pisses me off. So I hit pause and come back later just so I can skip the commerical

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kash:

Torg: lol

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kash:

kormoc: i want phase-change cooling

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kash:

:

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kash:

D

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kash:

damn

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kash:

$900

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kslater:

does anyone think that S-Video would handle 960 x 540 @ 60hz?

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kash:

it does

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kash:

i use 1366x1024 @ 120Hz

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kslater:

over S-Video?

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kash:

ywa

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kash:

yes*

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kormoc:

uhh

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kormoc:

that doesn't seem right

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kslater:

I thought it had bandwidth limitations

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kormoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Video

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kormoc:

". S-Video, as most commonly implemented, carries high-bandwidth 480i or 576i resolution video, i.e. standard definition video."

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kslater:

well practical limitations

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kormoc:

if it can handle that res, there's no point in component at all

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kash:

err, component.

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kormoc:

heh, they're very different

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kormoc:

kslater, seems like svideo can't handle the res you want

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kslater:

yeah, sounds like it

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kslater:

I wonder what the limitation is?

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kormoc:

seems like 480x625

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kash:

yeah

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kormoc:

@ 60 htz

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kash:

i remember that i tried 800x600 over s-vid and it looked like shit

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kslater:

I'm driving 720 x 480 @ 60hz right now

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kslater:

it's not great

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kslater:

I think I'll give 960 x 540p a whirl anyway and just see what happens

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kash:

1920x1080 over my crappy generic component cables suck

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kash:

i like HDMI

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hatredx:

I dont

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kslater:

I have limitations on my hardware – EPIA – so my options are S-Vid, VGA or a DVI daughterboard

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hatredx:

my Tv is not doing well with 1920x1080 via dvi<->hdmi

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hatredx:

cant figure out the proper modeline

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kash:

look in your TV manual

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kash:

it's usually in the back.

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kash:

i'm off to sleep

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hatredx:

yes, x window modelines in the back of the manual

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hatredx:

my manual says "you can not use a pc on hdmi"

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hatredx:

bs

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irata:

Hello, I've been using Myth for a while now (have 0.20 now). When recording from regular channels, it works great. I recently needed to use the manual record to make a capture from composite. At the scheduled time, it begins recording and then instantly stops. Any ideas as to what may be happening?

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cesman:

howdy y'all

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banyan:

I am having trouble with a supposedly missing library for mythmusic which is actually not missing.

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xris:

ldconfig?

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banyan:

libmp4ff.so.0 — which comes from faad2, which I have installed.

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xris:

do you have the .h file?

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pembo13_com:

every now and then , mid recording i lose color, and things turn to a blueish duotine coloring

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banyan:

Oh, that's the viagra kicking in.

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banyan:

I'm dishing out gold here people! gold I tell ya!

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faulteh:

can't see any gold, only blue?

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banyan:

heh

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markl:

did zap2it stop giving out hi def channel data?

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banyan:

Really, tho, I don't get the problem – again – with the libmp4 libraries.

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris

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markl:

listings show KTVX-HD, 4_1 and 4_2, but mythfilldatabase says things like: 2006-11–26 22:14:07.971 DataDirect: Not adding channel KTVX (KTVX).

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crweb:

are there any free channel data/program guide things?

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pab:

where do I go to set the disk limit so auto-expire kicks in?

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xris:

markl: well, you've listed three HD channels as present, and mfdb ignoring an SD channel. you meed to look further.

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markl:

crweb: you mean like http://labs.zap2it.com ?

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xris:

crweb: for mythtv? you need to read the documentation.

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banyan:

What repo has the correct faad2, I wonder...

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markl:

xris: i am trying to determine if zap2it just stopped sending HD listings in my area

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xris:

banyan: you want the devel package

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markl:

that seems like the most likely problem

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xris:

markl: but the "not adding" one is not hd

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banyan:

faad2-devel?

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markl:

xris: right – is zap2it not sending hi def listings?

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banyan:

from livna?

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xris:

banyan: yes. that's why I asked if you had the .h file

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markl:

xris: i didn't see any choices to enable or disable hd

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xris:

which is what compilers check for

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banyan:

This is an error yum is giving me.

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banyan:

I'm not trying to compile.

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xris:

markl: not saying you did. but the text you printed said nothing about not grabbing HD channel info

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xris:

banyan: ah, my mistake. 64bit vs 32bit conflict, maybe?

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xris:

afk

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banyan:

Hmm, this is a 32 bit machine so I only have 32 bit libs.

[05:24:59]

markl:

xris: yes it did, the log only showed SD information coming across in the zap2it file (if i'm reading it correctly)

[05:25:36]

markl:

i'm just wondering if anyone else has seen this with zap2it

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tracy_:

markl: having problems with zap2its OTA HD listings?

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markl:

tracy_: yes

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tracy_:

this is what I had to do to fix listings. 1 – go to mythweb and settings and channel info (this is the place you can put the xmltvid's)

[05:30:26]

markl:

it just started a couple of weeks ago

[05:30:43]

crweb:

xris: yes I know, I was just hear and thought I would ask. sorry

[05:30:47]

tracy_:

all the xmlid's are missing for the HD channels

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crweb:

here

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RyeBrye:

like zap2it?

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markl:

tracy_: yes they are all blank

[05:31:32]

tracy_:

then i went to www.lab2it.com (the website) and looked at my zip for the hd channels

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markl:

tracy_: ok i'll see if i can find that page

[05:32:03]

tracy_:

in the url, when i hover over eg 4_1 u will see snmName=xxxxx

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tracy_:

or something like that... that is the xmltvid

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markl:

stnNum=29953 ?

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tracy_:

i filled in all the xmltvid's and then ensured that i had all the HD channels selected on labs.zap2it.com for my lineup

[05:33:33]

tracy_:

markl: yes

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crweb:

xris: can you specify where in the install docs, cause I did look and there is like a 2 liner about program data

[05:34:36]

tracy_:

then i ran mythfilldatabase, but then i noticed when i went back into zap2it, some HD were not selected. i selected again, and eventually i got all my guide info back

[05:34:59]

tracy_:

took a couple iterations

[05:35:24]

markl:

how do you select HD channels in zap2it?

[05:35:40]

markl:

i was always getting them before

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markl:

the last renewal may have hosed them somehow

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markl:

oh they are showing up now, wtf

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markl:

not that i'm complaining :)

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markl:

tracy_: you are my hero

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tracy_:

i have a broadcast lineup, which has HD channels

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tracy_:

did it work?

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markl:

i had the broadcast too but it was only listing SD channels

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markl:

i didn't have the option for any HD

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markl:

i disabled most of the channels, and next time i went to modify, it listed all of them

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markl:

weird

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markl:

working now, awesome

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imperfect-:

I've got a question

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imperfect-:

If I get a digital cable box, can I change the tuner inside via a firewire hookup?

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imperfect-:

the tuned channel on the tuner..

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rothga1:

I am (still) getting a "floating point exception (core dumped)" error. Can someone explain to me why? It is whenever I try to run mythfrontend or mythtv-setup

[05:48:19]

xris:

rothga1: -v all

[05:48:58]

rothga1:

xris: sorry I am still new at this. Should I type -v all after mythfrontend?

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markl:

imperfect-: yes but all of the "good" channels will probably be encrypted

[05:49:27]

xris:

rothga1: yes

[05:49:41]

xris:

it means "be verbose, and tell me EVERYTHING"

[05:50:22]

rothga1:

It is still giving me the same error. Just "floating point exception (core dumped)"

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xris:

nothing interesting before that?

[05:50:56]

rothga1:

no, just that one line

[05:51:13]

rothga1:

mythbackend seems to be working but I can't start the frontend on the box to check

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xris:

rothga1: that means something pretty major is wrong

[05:51:56]

rothga1:

:( but everything was working great

[05:52:12]

rothga1:

I don't even know what I changed besides having a second box connect to it as a frontend

[05:52:22]

xris:

odd

[05:52:26]

xris:

does the other box work?

[05:52:32]

rothga1:

it did once

[05:52:38]

rothga1:

I was able to watch live tv

[05:52:46]

rothga1:

but I went to channel 11 and it crashed

[05:52:49]

crweb:

I just shelved my tivo

[05:52:55]

** crweb is in love with mythtv **

[05:53:00]

rothga1:

I restarted the frontend but then it wouldn't work

[05:53:07]

rothga1:

and now the backend is doing this

[05:53:12]

crweb:

and even better, mythtv recordings are playable anywhere

[05:53:44]

rothga1:

I am going through the mailing list right now to try and find a solution but all I can see is that it is a problem with nuvexport

[05:54:22]

xris:

crweb: unless you transcode them internally.

[05:54:36]

crweb:

xris: what do you mean?

[05:54:44]

xris:

rothga1: which you're not using, so that doesn't matter.

[05:54:47]

crweb:

are they not just mpegs?

[05:54:54]

xris:

crweb: the internal transcoder turns them into mpeg4 nupplevideo files.

[05:55:11]

rothga1:

mapbe this is different than the error I have http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . eaded#232732

[05:55:17]

xris:

just make sure you have the default transcoder set to "lossless mpeg2"

[05:55:26]

crweb:

xris: well, at least they are files on a filesystem

[05:55:38]

crweb:

not in some mfs database

[05:55:41]

xris:

crweb: yes.

[05:55:51]

xris:

and you can always use nuvexport to convert them to something else

[05:55:54]

crweb:

tivo does it dum

[05:55:59]

xris:

rothga1: completely different problem

[05:56:07]

crweb:

its a total pain to get video's off my series 1

[05:56:07]

rothga1:

dang

[05:56:24]

crweb:

and tivo2go sucks

[05:56:27]

xris:

rothga1: run: strace mythfrontend

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xris:

you'll get a LOT of junk, but something might jump out at you

[05:56:51]

xris:

crweb: all I have to say is: firewire

[05:56:56]

crweb:

xris: even nupplevideo is fine with me. My thing is, I can burn them to dvd for storage

[05:57:01]

crweb:

or firewire drives

[05:57:21]

xris:

crweb: or export to h.264 or xvid or whatever, without commercials.

[05:57:25]

crweb:

xris: yeah, i have 4 x 250 gig fw drives, they are serving my "Video Library"

[05:57:48]

crweb:

they are just files, thats whats really great

[05:58:03]

rothga1:

hmm...right near the bottom... access("/home/mythtv/.qt/qtrc", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (no such file or directory)

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crweb:

i guess normal files/filesystems just weren't good enough for Tivo

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xris:

rothga1: that shouldn't be causing a crash like that

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rothga1:

and then SIGFPE (Floating point exception) @ 0 (0) --- +++ killed by SIGFPE (core demped) +++ process 17115 detached

[05:58:56]

xris:

crweb: have you rebooted recently?

[05:59:04]

xris:

er, rothga1: have you rebooted recently?

[05:59:16]

rothga1:

right when I got the error the first time I rebooted

[05:59:21]

xris:

crweb: tivo wasn't trying to make things easy

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rothga1:

but still got the same error after reboot

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xris:

rothga1: ps axf | grep mythbackend

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rothga1:

xris: sorry, like I said I am still fairly new, what am I looking for with that?

[06:01:06]

xris:

rothga1: it should basically say "mythbackend"

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xris:

ps lists running processes, grep is a search

[06:01:34]

rothga1:

yes it is there (with processes)

[06:02:07]

rothga1:

I haven't seen problems starting the backend, just setup and frontend

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xris:

ok, I'm at a loss

[06:02:23]

rothga1:

dang, if you are at a loss :(

[06:02:31]

xris:

try this: chown -R mythtv /home/mythtv/

[06:02:45]

rothga1:

I found a few other posts about floating point exception but I don't know if it is similar to my situation

[06:03:25]

xris:

rothga1: it's a common error

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xris:

could mean about a billion different things

[06:04:12]

rothga1:

sholud I try running the frontend after the last command you gave me?

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xris:

yeah

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rothga1:

:(

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rothga1:

nope

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xris:

only thing left to do would be to run through an actual debugger, and it won't help much unless you have the debug symbols installed.

[06:05:32]

xris:

or wipe your db and start over.

[06:06:00]

rothga1:

would it just be the DB I would need to wipe?

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rothga1:

cause I really don't have a lot in the db besides settings (I haven't even recorded much)

[06:06:51]

rothga1:

I was more afraid I would have to reinstall everything

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xris:

you'd lose the record of your recordings, but could fix that manually if needed

[06:07:23]

xris:

thing is, if you get nothing with "-v all" then it hasn't even connected to the db yet.

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rothga1:

hmm, so that may mean I will have to reinstall?

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xris:

or at least reinstall the frontend

[06:09:48]

rothga1:

sorry, off topic but I haven't found the answer to this either. How do I exit man pages? like when I am viewing the pages for sometihng

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xris:

rothga1: q

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rothga1:

hmm, maybe I will just see if my frontend will reconnect to the backend

[06:10:57]

rothga1:

thanks :) I kept leaving the ssh session and then logging back in

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rothga1:

(shows how much I know)

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anxt:

rothga1: try typing /searchterm <enter>

[06:28:31]

anxt:

it is great ;)

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anxt:

now you know 2 essentials

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rothga1:

1 sec

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anxt:

like in manpage that is

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anxt:

(works in firefox too)

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rothga1:

thanks :)

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rothga1:

I am slowly on my way...

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anxt:

once you learn to read man pages, you can grow a lot quicker

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anxt:

i takes time

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rothga1:

well I have known how to read them for a while, it was getting out of them that was the hard part :D

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anxt:

damn anitmalarial drugs

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anxt:

i wanna pimp slap mosquitoes

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banyan:

ok, is libmp4ff.so.0 coming from an atrpms package?

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siXy:

morning juski – any further on that audio problem?

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juski:

yeah. it just started working suddenly

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siXy:

um ok. thats odd.

[06:53:36]

juski:

using exactly the same asound.conf as I'd started out with in the first place

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juski:

I asked the folks in #alsa about it & apparently what I wanted to achieve isn't supported

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juski:

I said it was weird that it's not supported because a) it works in minimyth just fine and b) it works here now too

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siXy:

is it only working in gnome?

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juski:

they wouldn't elaborate on what 'not supported' meant

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juski:

no gnome at all

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siXy:

then its not gnomes wierd audio routines.... hmm.

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juski:

I asked them if 'not supported' meant 'may work but YMMV' or 'no it won't work so stop trying' but there were stony silent

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banyan:

like, my problem with my ivtv pvr-350 tv playback taking 50% of my CPU.

[06:56:49]

siXy:

i suspect it was a 'its not meant to do that and we dont know why it is'

[06:56:51]

banyan:

When I ask about that, I get "playback on the 350 isn't actually supported.;

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juski:

it's all gone quiet about that actually

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juski:

I was initially passing on what I'd heard – that none of the devs use pvr350 cards anymore so support may wither away

[06:58:16]

banyan:

I literally offered to buy one for a developer.

[06:58:22]

juski:

been pulled up a few times by people who say it's not broken in 0.20 or even svn so I think it's definitely a case of 'wait & see'

[06:58:42]

juski:

I'm always willing to admit I'm wrong

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juski:

given the facts

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banyan:

But it is, it is broke! Well, not broke, but it takes a perverse amount of CPU.

[06:59:36]

juski:

so the decoding is broken then

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crweb:

so, if mythtv transcodes something to divx or xvid, it uses more cpu time right? or does it somehow use the PVR's hardware encoder?

[06:59:52]

juski:

or something with your driver is foobar, banyan

[07:00:12]

banyan:

hmm... I'm just using ivtv-0.8.0...

[07:00:24]

siXy:

crweb, it wont use your tv ard to transcode

[07:00:31]

juski:

crweb: it'll use the CPU. you sadly can't use pvr card encoders for anything but encoding video & audio in realtime

[07:01:12]

crweb:

so.. is that why mythtv uses nupplevideo ?

[07:01:29]

juski:

eh?

[07:01:44]

crweb:

or does the hardware encoder encode something, then mythtv transcodes it while it saves?

[07:01:47]

banyan:

I don't think that's the case anymore is it?

[07:02:01]

juski:

nuppelvideo was chosen because of its quality over cpu usage more than anything IIRC

[07:02:14]

juski:

transcoding will never happen until the recording is finished

[07:02:35]

crweb:

well, what I'm really interested in is where the actual usage of the hardware encoder comes in, and how it helps me

[07:02:36]

juski:

so you'd record as mpeg2 then transcode later

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siXy:

i used to automatically transcode everything to mpeg4... but im not really sure theres actually any point so ive stopped doing it

[07:03:00]

crweb:

why wouldn't myth just keep it mpeg2 instead of transing it to nupple?

[07:03:14]

juski:

it comes in by encoding video & audio on the fly on the PCI card and not using any of your CPU as you record

[07:03:39]

juski:

crweb: which version of mythtv are you using? 0.18 ?

[07:03:42]

siXy:

unless you have a framegrabber card, ofc...

[07:04:08]

juski:

in the past everything used to be saved as the .nuv extension whether it was nuppelvideo or not

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crweb:

i'm using 0.20

[07:04:30]

juski:

that didn't mean it was all nuppelvideo format though ;)

[07:05:02]

crweb:

oh, well, i was just told in here a few min ago it was nupple

[07:05:10]

juski:

crweb: so you've not got a hardware encoding card then, or you've somehow set myth to automagically transcode everything

[07:05:22]

juski:

who said that?

[07:05:30]

crweb:

xris

[07:06:02]

crweb:

well i do have an encoder

[07:06:18]

crweb:

i just couldn't figure out why myth wouldn't just use the data from it instead of trying to change the format

[07:06:46]

juski:

if you record something with a pvr150 / pvr250 / pvr350 / pvr500 / DVB/ATSC tuner you'll get mpeg2 saved. if you then transcode it it could end up as nuppelvideo (RTJPEG or mpeg4)

[07:07:21]

juski:

but transcoding is something that has to be invoked by you, the user

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crweb:

ok

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juski:

so the files should stay as mpeg2 unless you say otherwise

[07:07:45]

crweb:

ok next question

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crweb:

is there some way to make the card NOT encode?

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juski:

no

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juski:

wanna play games eh? ;)

[07:08:17]

crweb:

how about change the bitrate?

[07:08:22]

juski:

that's the ONE thing software encoder cards are good for

[07:08:23]

juski:

no

[07:08:46]

juski:

btw that might be the one thing software encoder cards are good for but still not in mythtv. haha

[07:09:02]

juski:

mythtv != tv viewing app

[07:09:06]

juski:

mythtv is a pvr

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crweb:

well, crap

[07:09:35]

crweb:

can't play games cause of lower quality, or because of lag?

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juski:

if you wanna play games on your TV / monitor thru a tuner card use a framegrabber & tvtime or xawtv

[07:09:43]

juski:

lag

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crweb:

well, i was hoping for a all in one

[07:10:02]

juski:

you could TRY playing a game thru mythtv, but I think you'd very soon give up

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siXy:

you might be able to use mythvideo with some sort of pipe to tvtime

[07:10:19]

crweb:

but, I'll just play on my bigtv

[07:10:30]

crweb:

oh wait

[07:10:31]

juski:

there are a couple of things you could do

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siXy:

but im not sure it would be worth the effort

[07:10:35]

crweb:

I'll play through my tivo

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juski:

tivo has lag too

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crweb:

oh.. right.

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siXy:

just plug it into a spare input on your tv and get a harmony remote

[07:11:00]

crweb:

hah..

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crweb:

I just gave away my tv

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crweb:

for my bedroom..

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juski:

you could buy a $2 framegrabber card (matters not so long as it's supported by linux) and add a menu item in mythtv to launch tvtime to use that card. of course you'd never tell mythtv you have a framegrabber

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crweb:

replaced it with a wall hanging 19" vga lcd

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siXy:

whoops! in that case tvtime is the way to go – witha framegrabber

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crweb:

i'm out of pci slots

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siXy:

im sure there are usb ones

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juski:

crweb: you can forget about usb tv tuners then

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juski:

lag

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siXy:

true

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crweb:

there were only 2 slots.. wireless card, and PCR150

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crweb:

oh duh... wireless usb

[07:12:32]

crweb:

hmm..

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juski:

firewire, on the other hand ... ;)

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siXy:

surely noone has made a firewire framgrabber?

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crweb:

once upon a time, I had a digital unit with firewire

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crweb:

for video editing

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juski:

there are camcorders that output to firewire from an analogue input and there are boxes you can buy to turn video into DV over firewire ;)

[07:13:49]

crweb:

mythbox doesn't have firewire though..

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siXy:

thats gonna cause some lag

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juski:

so? there are other apps that do, and you could launch one from mythtv's menu

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juski:

siXy: it's near instant. DV is only motion jpeg+

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siXy:

juski, i think he means his computer doesnt have firewire

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juski:

ah

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crweb:

ok.. so.. whats a nice framegrabber card that works in linux.

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juski:

take your pick from the bargain bin

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crweb:

i can run the tivo through that too

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crweb:

really all i need is svideo and audio

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crweb:

oh theres another problem

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crweb:

hows audio going to work

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juski:

crweb: line input on your soundcard

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juski:

but you only have one of them – so no tivo

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crweb:

pvr150/500 doesn't need that?

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juski:

nah course not

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crweb:

juski: i have a 4 port auto switch

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crweb:

for composite/svido

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crweb:

only 1 cable goes to the framegrabber

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crweb:

well, one set of cables

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crweb:

when the wii turns off, it swtiches back to tivo

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juski:

if the auto switch takes care of audio then you're sorted :)

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crweb:

maybe i'll get one with a FM tuner too

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siXy:

does the wii have dvi/hdmi?

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siXy:

or vga?

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juski:

it's only 480p ya know..

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crweb:

no vga, I'm only using component video righ tnow

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crweb:

i don't know if they will have others later

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juski:

they're not in the dick measuring contest with Sony or MS ;)

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crweb:

agreed, but the wii is fun as hell

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siXy:

i wouldnt know, never owned a console in my life ;)

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crweb:

haven't had this much fun with games in forever

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juski:

that's the whole point of the wii

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crweb:

purebreed winner there

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juski:

what's the point of yet another nice looking console with endless linear first person shooters / racing games? :-P

[07:20:53]

crweb:

that are all just gfx updates of the last versions

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juski:

Nintendo have brought playability back to the fore

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crweb:

yeah, that was getting old fast.

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crweb:

i feel like i've been playing doom for 12 years

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juski:

thats cos you have

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crweb:

;)

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crweb:

i was pretty fond of the gamecube too

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juski:

all that changed were the maps & number of textures

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crweb:

but didn't happen onto it until a few months ago

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crweb:

it had some nice original gameplays

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crweb:

i didn't know how much more GTA, GrandTurismo, and Halo i could take

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juski:

when a player like me can finish a game like doom3 in under a week it's a bad sign

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juski:

when I realised it was all over I wondered how long it'd have taken a 'real' gamer.. like what.. a day maybe?

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crweb:

dang it, now i'm having a hard time finding a card without an encoder

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crweb:

yeah, i beat doom3 in a few hours

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juski:

I guess the only real fun to be had there is playing networked games – once the initial 5 minute honeymoon is over

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crweb:

there was 1 good spot though, scared the shit out of me

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juski:

I like my burnout games though, and NFS is nice too.

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crweb:

i guess they don't make a card that just has A/V in

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juski:

one thing that puts me off buying consoles is the price of games. get a console for like £200, and each game is what £40 – £50.

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crweb:

i dont' really need a tuner

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juski:

does it matter if you're only spending $20 ? ;)

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juski:

get one 2nd hand on ebay

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crweb:

$20 puts me right at the same cost of a LCD 19" tv

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crweb:

though.. I got another dvr out of it

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siXy:

given that i have (lots of) perfectly good computers i dont feel the need to have aconsole as _well_

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juski:

bet there's loads being sold (cos they're not supported in MCE.. muhahahaha)

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crweb:

I'm afraid that it won't be supported in linux.

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crweb:

hah, thought I found one, $17, but has a encoder.

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crweb:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815276002

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siXy:

there are only a few basic framegrabber chips as far as i know – ive not seen on that isnt supported – but thats no guarentee

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juski:

crweb: unless it's the foobar ackbar card from some Outer Mongolian company it should be fine

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siXy:

yeah ive heard of issues with that card :)

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juski:

crweb: in the UK we have the trade descriptions act which means that newegg could be fined for lying

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juski:

that card does NOT do mpeg encoding

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crweb:

so that one is clean?

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juski:

aye

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crweb:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815122003

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siXy:

juski, yes but dabs/scan are no better at getting their descriptions right...

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crweb:

that one has picture in picture...

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crweb:

it doesn't say if its hardware or not htough

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juski:

crweb: no – the software they give away with it (which will NEVER work properly & you'll post endlessly asking questions on tv-cards.com) has a kludge to allow it

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juski:

if it's not a Hauppauge PVR card it generally isn't a PVR card :)

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crweb:

hmm.. wonder if linux supports the pip for that Leadtek

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juski:

nope

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juski:

the windows software you get with it will be doing some hack and it'll be sucky anyway

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crweb:

2 inputs then?

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siXy:

the leadtek dvb cards only do pip due to a wierd software hack

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juski:

see the (disgusting) users' list thread about recording more than one channel from a transport :(

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juski:

though that seems to have died a nasty death now... and so it should have

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siXy:

it only works with 2 channels on the same (whatever the word is) although it does work tolerably well it would be difficult to implement in linux

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juski:

siXy: nah that works in VDR but not mythtv

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crweb:

so.. back to sabrent tv-pcirc

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crweb:

no reviews on that one, must be new..

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juski:

it's kind of on the 'todo' list to make mythtv able to record more than one channel on the same transponder (multiplex) but there are other fish to fry :)

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crweb:

it can record and watch live 2 seperate channels though right?

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siXy:

it does? i thought there was an issue with the way the driver is writeen that would require a driver re-write.. but i could be wrong

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crweb:

with the 500 or 350

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siXy:

500 only

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juski:

crweb: if you're not gonna be using the tuner, unless it's some new fangled video digitiser chip it'll 'just work' in linux

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juski:

crweb: only with the 500

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crweb:

interesting...

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crweb:

ebay it is i think

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juski:

siXy: nah that subject is only to do with how mythtv deals with demuxing the transport stream. the driver has bob all to do with it

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juski:

the real tricky part will be sorting out the scheduling & card priorities

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crweb:

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-PCI-TV-Capture-Tuner- . . . cmdZViewItem

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crweb:

that guy has a nice description of chips used and everything

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crweb:

hah, maybe I'll just get a WinTV PCI card

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juski:

the phillips chip used on that card is supported by v4l in linux

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crweb:

whats the difference between bttv and v4l?

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juski:

bttv is part of v4l I thought

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crweb:

oh

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crweb:

the last tvinput stuff I had experience with in linux was pre-v4l

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crweb:

With a WinTV pci, from 1998

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juski:

I've got some cheap & cheerful tuner from way back when gathering dust & static somewhere

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crweb:

this isn't suppose to be the hard part

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crweb:

i spent months choosing my hardware encoder card.. lol

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juski:

hand-me-down from my Dad. got it so I could xfer some old VHS to DVD. OMFG that was a waste of whole weeks!

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crweb:

the WinTV pci had some really bad image though

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crweb:

always fuzzy

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juski:

this one was too but was pretty good thru composite or svid

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juski:

you normally find that with tuner cards actually – the tuners a shite quality or something about the card design means they're not the best quality

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juski:

but external inputs are usually sweet

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crweb:

I'm going to have to wait and think about if its worth it

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juski:

my 'other' pvr card is a leadtek pvr2000 and support for it is coming to linux :)

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crweb:

my lcd tv/dvr is already 5 inches think

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crweb:

and has a lot of cables

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juski:

that's why I got my mythtv, to cut down on the cabling

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crweb:

I mounted the 19" lcd, on a desktop Dell Deminsion 4300

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crweb:

and hung the pc on the wall with the lcd mounted to it :)

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crweb:

I'm working on a swivel

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crweb:

its pretty cool, the dvd drive opens out the top

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juski:

heh. not my cup of tea but hey

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crweb:

i'm going to rebox it

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juski:

looks like the initial flurry of interest about the new theme has died off a bit

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crweb:

so its just a black box, and the lcd swivels inside of it

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juski:

and the lack of emails about issues with it must mean it's about good to go

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crweb:

I'm aming to make my mythbox, the size of a commercial plazma/lcd tv

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crweb:

i gained 11 sqaure feet of floor space this way

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crweb:

well.. 10ish

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crweb:

are there any agp cards with tvin?

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juski:

crweb: don't even go there man

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crweb:

all i need is something that can frame grab right?

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crweb:

I have a pci nvidia card in it right now

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crweb:

(after I switch to agp wireless

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crweb:

i have a free lowprofile agp slot

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crweb:

yeah... not going to happen.. lol

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juski:

even framegrabbing on those 'theater' cards is sketchy in linux

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crweb:

they don't make them low profile

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siXy:

what new theme juski?

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crweb:

very sweet switching from agp ATI Rage 128 Ultra fixed my dvd playback segv when using the Xv driver

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siXy:

nvm i gtg – will ask you later

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crweb:

to nvidia pci card

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crweb:

sweet, got rid of my 802.11b wireless and switched to a usb 802.11g

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crweb:

I need to change dvd audio channel

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crweb:

ahh, yeah..

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crweb:

on screen menu

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Krazylegz:

Gentooers: Which kernel are you using if you are using ivtv?

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infinity1:

anyone use winmyth? any good?

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juski:

infinity1: no it's a PoS

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juski:

this question keeps coming up. maybe it should be in the channel FAQ that people don't read :)

[10:31:25]

juski:

if you wanna use Windows why have mythtv at all?

[10:33:47]

juski:

xbox media center (sic) has a bunch of python scripts available to make it work like a myth frontend. it's quite nice and for the life of me I can't figure out why nobody has got off their fat ass & made something similar for a windows app like Mediaportal. I heard a rumour some windows media players (no not THE WMP) already work – ones that support UPnP anyway

[10:34:38]

juski:

if all you wanna do is play recordings on your windows box (but you don't do you? you want live tv I bet) there's Tapeworm which works well

[10:36:09]

juski:

anyway rather than going to the mountain (i.e. somebody writing a decent windows frontend) – the mountain is moving to you by way of UPnP

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juski:

</tirade>

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juski:

why do I get the feeling nobody's gonna see that?

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juski:

anyway. morning all

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Merlin83b:

Morning juski :)

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juski:

hows fings?

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juski:

oh btw I oculd've done with seeing you round at the weekend. had a weird issue getting all my audio to come out of the epia's spdif at the same time as analogue. it 'just works' now which is puzzling

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Merlin83b:

Weird. Wouldn't have been able to help though, no digital audio for me.

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Merlin83b:

Fings are good in general though :)

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juski:

heh

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juski:

brrrr this env. chamber here is coldy cold

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juski:

I'm not _inside_ it, but having to open it & mess with stuff inside

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juski:

haha the ata cables don't like the cold. makes em brittle!

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juski:

pfft

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juski:

the connectors, I mean. it's not so cold as to shatter the actual wires

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Krazylegz:

juski: You're doing widescreen, right?

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juski:

anyway the stranger thing about the sound issue was that according to the guys in #alsa it's not supported at all, simultaneous wossnames. I said it was funny that I had it working then and nobody would elaborate on what 'not supported' actually meant. then I just got blanked. hm

[11:07:03]

juski:

Krazylegz: yep

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Krazylegz:

Care to shoot me your xorg.conf? I know I won't be able to use it but I need something else to read.

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juski:

I do amorphic widescreen at 720x576

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juski:

and umm.. I dunno if I have the conf file handy

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Krazylegz:

Anamorphic?

[11:08:12]

Krazylegz:

Ah, okay.

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Krazylegz:

I can get X up on my new television, but it's not widescreen. I have no idea why.

[11:09:12]

juski:

anyway the mode I use on my epia M-10000 is "720x576Noscale" and I use a DisplaySize of 400 225

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Krazylegz:

The resolution comes up on the television as 640x480 instead of what I specified. Maybe it's a limitation of SVGA with my set.

[11:09:44]

Krazylegz:

Okay, thanks.

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juski:

those are the only 2 things I changes, basically

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juski:

Krazylegz: you on Ubuntu by any chance?

[11:10:06]

Krazylegz:

Gentoo.

[11:10:21]

Krazylegz:

Though I'll be setting up an Ubuntu system shortly on my laptop, but that will not be a Myth system.

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juski:

what I ended up doing was making 720x576Noscale the only mode in there

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Krazylegz:

I have 720p and 1080i modes.

[11:11:05]

Krazylegz:

Er, modelines.

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juski:

I think some drivers go out of their way to ignore what you tell them to do

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juski:

ooo you want _that_ mode? your monitor (which is probably lying anyway but hey we'll believe it) says it doesn't do that mode.. pretty much sums up what I think goes on sometimes

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juski:

ok then so try making xorg.conf only have the two modes you define in the modelines :)

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Krazylegz:

Yeah, I did.

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Krazylegz:

It somehow still goes to 640x480.

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juski:

maybe your display is lying then

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juski:

Option "IgnoreEDID" "1" IIRC

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Krazylegz:

Could be that it only supports VGA, not SVGA, right?

[11:15:03]

** Krazylegz looks up VGA for the first time in 10 years **

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juski:

VGA's just a generic term

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juski:

nobody ever says "svga connector" AFAIK

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juski:

is it a flat panel or CRT

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juski:

?

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Krazylegz:

I think just Option IgnoreEDID actually.

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Krazylegz:

LCD.

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Krazylegz:

Right, but if actually does only do VGA, that could explain it.

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juski:

so it's not like you can blow it up if you try to force it to do a mode it doesn't support

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Krazylegz:

Let's not make any assumptions. :-)

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juski:

it'd be impossible to do that

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Krazylegz:

I'll try one more thing once I'm done listening to this podcast.

[11:17:50]

Krazylegz:

I thought so.

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Krazylegz:

CRT can be damaged, correct?

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juski:

the vga socket will get sampled – there are no drive coils to overload etc etc

[11:18:28]

juski:

analogue inputs get sampled & stored in a framestore which the display then outputs

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juski:

digital inputs get scaled etc before going into the framestore, which the display then outputs

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juski:

the same is true of some CRT TVs actually

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Krazylegz:

Blah. I wanted to blow stuff up.

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Krazylegz:

juski: http://pastebin.ca/259344

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juski:

I have to go to my main place of work now.. I'll take a peek when I get there in about half an hour :)

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juski:

back in a bit

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Krazylegz:

Oh, sorry. Thanks!

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Daviey:

Is the mythtv-users mailing list moderated? Ie, is there a delay between sending and it appearing?

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janneg:

Daviey: not for registered addresses

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Daviey:

janneg, doh! i am registered, but i sent it from my unregistered address!

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janneg:

Daviey: you can register several addresses and set all but one to "no mail"

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Daviey:

so will it appear after moderation, or should i send it again from my registered addy?

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janneg:

iirc you should get a waiting on moderation approval message with a link to delete the message. I don't know how often the moderation approves messages

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Daviey:

janneg, you were right. Message deleted

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ChriZSpencer:

sorry. dont laugh. but what is iirc?

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ChriZSpencer:

if i remember correctly?

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quicksilver:

correct

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ChriZSpencer:

thx. was confuses

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ChriZSpencer:

grrrr. i was confused

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quicksilver:

google is your friend. Although you might have thought it stood for Interactive Illinois Report Card, I think you would have worked it out.

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juski:

Krazylegz: I didn't mean for you to put 720x576Noscale in your xorg.conf

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Krazylegz:

Oh?

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Krazylegz:

Anyway, doing that didn't work. :-)

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juski:

I was just telling you what **I** had changed from the default xorg.conf :)

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Krazylegz:

Yeah, that's fine. I figured it was worth a shot.

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juski:

anyway you might find that your TV only supports 4:3 video modes & end up using a weird DPI like I am

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juski:

it's starting to come together... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/blootube-wide/ :)

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qu0zl:

that looks good Juski

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juski:

put index.html

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juski:

balls

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juski:

btw xris if you're around – thankyou for suggesting nvu :)

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maddi:

Hi @ all

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maddi:

can someone tell if there is a general solution to the laggy Mythtv gui ?

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quicksilver:

the gui isn't laggy for me

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maddi:

you lucky :)

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maddi:

For me its really laggy, only sometimes I get 1–2 min. of fast gui

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quicksilver:

not enough memory in your machine, perhaps?

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quicksilver:

something else going on?

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maddi:

I have 1Gb of mem, the box is mythtv only.

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quicksilver:

not that then

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quicksilver:

weird

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quicksilver:

anything suspicious in your /var/log around the times it goes laggy

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quicksilver:

bad hardware?

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quicksilver:

(e.g. lots ofdisk timeouts)

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maddi:

hmmm...

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maddi:

Just took a look at top:

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maddi:

Mem: 1035680k total, 1021000k used, 14680k free, 51108k buffers

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maddi:

That doesnt looks good

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maddi:

only 14meg free

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maddi:

Or is that normal ?

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maddi:

( Im not that experienced with linux )

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quicksilver:

it doesn't mean much without the next line

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maddi:

ok ...

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quicksilver:

the one htat says -/+ buffers/cache

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maddi:

Mem: 1035680k total, 1019436k used, 16244k free, 51264k buffers

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maddi:

Swap: 3028212k total, 17756k used, 3010456k free, 420180k cached

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quicksilver:

420M cached

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quicksilver:

so your memory isn't really full

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maddi:

k

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quicksilver:

it's just caching stuff

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maddi:

top

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maddi:

ups :)

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maddi:

anything other I could show you ?

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maddi:

Where would I see disk timeouts ?

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quicksilver:

in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog

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quicksilver:

or dmesg

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maddi:

There is a lot of this stuff: Nov 27 07:49:11 tvpc kernel: [17246777.500000] cdrom: This disc doesn't have an$

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maddi:

Nov 27 07:49:11 tvpc kernel: [17246778.008000] cdrom: This disc doesn't have an$

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maddi:

(Nov 27 07:48:54 tvpc kernel: [17246760.672000] cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize!)

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quicksilver:

don't think that's relevant

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maddi:

k

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maddi:

Can you tell me where i can see how many mem linux actually uses from the RAM ?

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juski:

linux will eat as much ram as you give it

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maddi:

not really, sometimes it doesn't uses all of it.

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maddi:

( i once knew where to see it :)

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Ryushin:

Well, I've been trying to get some pvr software working on my wifes windows machine so she can record her soap and watch live TV while she's surfing. I've tried GB-PBR, Mediaportal, but they are all flaky. It sure would be nice if if myth gets ported to windows somday.

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GreyFoxx:

maddi: Eventually it will use almost all of it

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GreyFoxx:

it takes "unused" ram and uses it for file system buffers

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maddi:

k

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quicksilver:

maddi: type 'free'

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GreyFoxx:

but that same ram is given to a app as soon as an app askes for ram

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quicksilver:

maddi: underneath the 'used' number is another number

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quicksilver:

subtract the second from the first

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quicksilver:

and that gives you some kind of idea

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maddi:

hmmm.

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maddi:

I thought i had 1gb in it, but now it looks like I only have 512 Mb :/

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maddi:

but 512 mb should be enough for mythtv + ubuntu, shouldn't it ?

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

should be plenty

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maddi:

k

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maddi:

damn, this laggyness really sucks

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D-side:

i really shot myself in the foot this time.

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GreyFoxx:

maddi: what exactly is laggy? Are you seeing a fade in effect when changing menus ?

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D-side:

i have come to a conclusion!.

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D-side:

dmraid is a piece of total shit.

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maddi:

yes, but that one runs smoothly, its just that you press something, wait a second, menu pops up, press something, wait a second ...

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maddi:

(the gui is laggy)

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GreyFoxx:

If so that could be intentional as the OpenGL paint er does that on purpose :)

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maddi:

???

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maddi:

Why should it do that ?

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GreyFoxx:

If it's fading in text, that is

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maddi:

ah, no, the fading is smooth

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D-side:

sounds like its a feature, not a bug. :D

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GreyFoxx:

You could always disable the OpenGL painter and see if you have the same problem

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maddi:

Hmm, gotta do that when Im home again.

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maddi:

But I think I remember it being the same problem with gl an qt

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maddi:

(+d)

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D-side:

I need to ditch dmraid and just setup an lvm set.

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D-side:

pfeh.

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maddi:

On another note, is there a possibility to somehow connect two hdds ? So that if you have 2x 500gb, you get on 1000gb for instance ?

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GreyFoxx:

maddi: software raid or lvm

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maddi:

k

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GreyFoxx:

soon in svn you will be able to spread the recording storage accross multipel drives

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** GreyFoxx goes and does some work **

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maddi:

thats great !

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maddi:

If there is, where can I find a log of the last "Export to DVD" job ?

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D-side:

i really wonder if i want to go software raid or just lvm

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fryfrog:

erm, they aren't comparable enough?

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fryfrog:

i mean, "do i want to wear pants or a shirt?"?

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quicksilver:

I rather like lvm

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quicksilver:

gives you flexibility to change your mind later

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quicksilver:

evms is even more flexible once you grok it

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fryfrog:

yeah, but... they don't provide redundancy which is the whole point of raid

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quicksilver:

fryfrog: ?

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quicksilver:

fryfrog: they do, if you want them to

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fryfrog:

unless i'm mistaken, i could swear that lvm/evms only provide an equivilent of raid1 and raid0, afaik?

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GreyFoxx:

That's correct according to whaat I've read and heard

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GreyFoxx:

but I use raid everywhere so I've never personally set up lvm

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Ryushin:

GreyFoxx: Is there a guesstimate ETA for the multiple storage points entering SVN?

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qu0zl:

Ryushin, lvm will give you that, and you don't need to wait

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quicksilver:

fryfrog: ah yes, lvm is supposed to be layed over md0 aka software raid

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quicksilver:

fryfrog: sorry, my confusion

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quicksilver:

evms integrates both though I believe

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

that i didn't know

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jave:

is it possible to trigger the "update movielist" function from cmd line somehow?

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: very soon, I think Captain Murdoch is just doing last minute stuff now

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seth|laptop:

is there a way to "offline" a tuner via the commandline?

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seth|laptop:

or change its priiority

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Ryushin:

qu0zl: Unless LVM has a feature I don't know about, it does not give me that. I would like myth to load balance recordings across multiple drives. RAID 0 seems to have problems when I have 2 SD and 2 HD encooders going at the same time.

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Ryushin:

I'm planning on dumping 6 TB drives in there when they come out.

[14:05:57]

Ryushin:

GreyFoxx: Great news.

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qu0zl:

if you've put all your drives in a raid array and it's too slow, then having mythtv do the load balancing won't be any better

[14:06:32]

qu0zl:

application level load balancing won't be faster than raid balancing

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Ryushin:

qu0zl: Well, if I understand things, instead of having all the spindles running for a single recording, there is just one spindle per recording. When 4 recordings are happening at the same time, I don't have the drives heads jumping all over the place on a RAID 0/5.

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Ryushin:

This is assuming of course, that I have one drive for each recording.

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qu0zl:

hmm i see what you mean

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qu0zl:

each recording will be sequential, instead of all of them being interleaved with heads having to jump around

[14:09:00]

Ryushin:

Yep.

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qu0zl:

hadn't thought of that :)

[14:09:07]

GreyFoxx:

and you can mix in some local drives and samba/nfs mounted shares

[14:09:47]

GreyFoxx:

So if your main machine is running out of space, you can mount a share from your desktop as a temporary storage

[14:10:08]

qu0zl:

you can already do that with lvm can't you greyfoxx?

[14:10:21]

Tommck:

how are we solving the multiple recordings / head jumping problem? (I just popped into this convo)

[14:10:28]

GreyFoxx:

qu0zl: I've never used lvm, but I've never seen anyone mention using it with remote file systems

[14:10:33]

qu0zl:

what he's talking about is improving throughput by having each recording on a different disk, so that the drive heads aren't jumping around

[14:11:04]

Ryushin:

Hince, when I set up a database, I have the transaction logs written to one spindle, and the database on the other.

[14:11:43]

Tommck:

qu0zl – how would you do that?

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qu0zl:

you can't, until they get this new feature in. I was mistaken :(

[14:12:42]

Ryushin:

As a good side, if I loose a drive, I just loose the recordings on that one drive. No need in my mind to use RAID 5, and suffer the perf hit, not to mention loosing a drive. They are only recordings after all. It's it's really important, it gets archive to DVD.

[14:12:53]

D-side:

i like my drives tight.

[14:12:56]

D-side:

no good if they're loose. :D

[14:12:57]

qu0zl:

oh, if you mean remote disks as part of lvm? You can do that using AoE I believe

[14:13:28]

qu0zl:

they'll just appear as equivalent to local drives to you if you mount them via kernel aoe support i believe. I've never done it though

[14:14:05]

janneg:

or network block device, but I wouldn't use that in a production enviroment

[14:14:08]

D-side:

i'm not brave enough to try AoE+RAID

[14:14:19]

D-side:

feel free to exchange "brave" with other terms

[14:14:40]

janneg:

D-side: stupid enough?

[14:14:46]

D-side:

:D

[14:14:50]

Ryushin:

qu0zl: True, but why go through that instead of just using NFS. It's simpler and both machines can have access to the same drive a the same time. If you do AoE, then it's acting like a SAN and only one machine can have access to the block device at one time.

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qu0zl:

because we were talking about adding them to lvm arrays. I don't think you can add nfs devices to lvm arrays?

[14:15:20]

qu0zl:

though i could be wrong

[14:15:20]

janneg:

except you use a cluster filesytem

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Tommck:

So, how does Age Of Empires help? :)

[14:15:52]

** janneg is talking about remote storage **

[14:16:16]

Ryushin:

janneg: I've looked at all those. With the exception of GFS, they can't handle much of a load. Even GFS isn't that great for load either. Certainaly not with what myth is going to throw at it.

[14:18:24]

qu0zl:

Ryushin, could you not run multiple myth backends? And only set up one tuner in each?

[14:18:38]

qu0zl:

and give each a seperate drive to record to. That way recordings would be sequential liek you want

[14:18:43]

qu0zl:

and the heads won't be jumpin all over the place

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Ryushin:

qu0zl: Sure, if I want to waste 4 computers for that.

[14:18:51]

qu0zl:

you can put them all on the same machine

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Ryushin:

Using virtual?

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janneg:

Ryushin: they probably don't handle multiple writes that well

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Tommck:

do we not also have to worry about controller throughput also?

[14:20:08]

Ryushin:

Sounds like a lot more trouble than have multiple storage points.

[14:20:21]

qu0zl:

oh definately Ryushin , but seeing as the other isn't available yet

[14:20:46]

qu0zl:

i was just trying to think of how you could meet your requirements with current featurues

[14:20:53]

janneg:

with some $MYTHCONFDIR magic and ip aliases it's possible to run multiple backends on one computer

[14:21:05]

Ryushin:

Well, that patch is available, I could always just run the patch. Though when I looked at it a couple months back, it was still not there yet.

[14:21:14]

ChriZSpencer:

hi there.

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Tommck:

Ryushin – did you write the patch?

[14:21:42]

ChriZSpencer:

if have a .diff file here to modify my dist. how do i use it.

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ChriZSpencer:

_

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Ryushin:

ChrisZSpencer: man patch

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ChriZSpencer:

it should modify several files

[14:22:16]

ChriZSpencer:

ok "patch < patch.diff" ?

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Tommck:

he said "man patch"... otherwise known as RTFM

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Ryushin:

patch -p1 -s --dry-run < ../location/of/patchfile.diff

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janneg:

Ryushin: you can ask Captain_Murdoch for the current storage groups patch

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Ryushin:

This is what I had a couple of months ago: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1744

[14:25:11]

janneg:

it's online and the original multiple recording directories patch author and me are testing it

[14:25:16]

Krazylegz:

So, my Comcast HD box outputs DVI. I guess I'm confused, since as I understand it DVI is not encrypted and I would (in theory, if it was/is legal) be able to record this HD signal?

[14:25:40]

Krazylegz:

Actually, someone just point me to a URL. I know this has been discussed a million times.

[14:26:17]

janneg:

Ryushin: no, that patch is broken, don't use it.

[14:26:59]

ChriZSpencer:

Ryushin: does it patch multiple files also?

[14:27:07]

Ryushin:

Krazylegz: Actually, DVI can use HDCP encryption.

[14:27:17]

Krazylegz:

Ah, that could be the rub then.

[14:27:21]

Ryushin:

ChrisZSpencer: It can.

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Krazylegz:

How would I know if it is using HDCP?

[14:27:48]

Ryushin:

Well, the thing is, what are you plugging the DVI into?

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janneg:

Krazylegz: connect it to a display without HDCP, you'll notice it

[14:28:11]

Krazylegz:

I'm assuming that there is something that would take DVI as input. Seems like there would be some demand for it.

[14:28:19]

Krazylegz:

janneg: Well, I don't have one of those. :-)

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Ryushin:

Well, I'm sure that they exist, but every DVI port I've seen is a output, and the display is the input.

[14:29:03]

Ryushin:

Does yoru Comcast box have a firewire port?

[14:29:14]

Krazylegz:

I haven't ever seen an SVGA input either.

[14:29:30]

Krazylegz:

Yeah, it does.

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janneg:

Krazylegz: http://www.fi-llc.com/boards/Products/AccuStream170.php

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Krazylegz:

Hey, this guy's thinkin'.

[14:35:29]

Krazylegz:

No Linux software of course, but that's okay.

[14:36:33]

Krazylegz:

http://www.i-cubeinc.com/framegrabbers.htm

[14:36:35]

Krazylegz:

$3k.

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janneg:

not thinking, but smart enough to use google

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** Krazylegz wonders if he needs the 24AWG cable for the television, or just 28AWG will suffice. **

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Torg:

Krazylegz what do you plan on puttiing over that cable, and how long a distance?

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Krazylegz:

6ft, HDTV and computer.

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Torg:

it wont make any differnce

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Krazylegz:

Didn't think so.

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Torg:

and you meant 18awg vs 28, correct?

[14:44:03]

Krazylegz:

No. 24 versus 28.

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Krazylegz:

Monoprice has a 22AWG but it's for longer cables.

[14:44:40]

Torg:

well at 6' the differnce is loss between 18 and 28 is about .25db

[14:44:55]

Krazylegz:

Ah, so this would be even les.s

[14:45:04]

Torg:

considerably about .1

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Torg:

my dvi to dmi cable is 10' and cost about $30, the 6' one is a monster cable and cost about $150. I can see no differnce is signal quality whatsoever

[14:47:17]

Torg:

unless you plan on running it up the cieling and across to another room it really makes no differnce

[14:47:36]

Krazylegz:

Monoprice has a 6' cable for less than $6. :-)

[14:47:47]

Krazylegz:

Though I shouldn't pimp a retailer in the channel.

[14:48:15]

Torg:

hell ppl post things like chep computers, momeory, etc all the time

[14:48:29]

Krazylegz:

Eh, that doesn't make it right.

[14:48:30]

roz:

I am going to run dual head monitors, both fairly high resolution. I am looking at HD as well for myth. I remember when i first tested HD, my current video card did not support XV at HD resolutions. I would like to stick on the nvidia platform. 3d performance is not a big deal to me. reccomendations?

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Torg:

not only is 3d not a big deal, myth dosnt use it at all

[14:49:25]

roz:

no i am just saying to me, 3d isnt a big deal at all

[14:49:54]

roz:

but i run 2d at higher resolutions than most

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Torg:

I use a GF5900 to do hdtv and it works fine. I dont use xvmc tho

[14:50:23]

roz:

do you use regular XV?

[14:50:54]

Torg:

yes

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roz:

my geforce 2 GTS does not support that HD resolution for an XV window. I was told I just needed something a little bit newer than that

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Torg:

btw most of the newer cards can do resolutions much higher then any monitor can

[14:51:51]

Torg:

my 5900 can do 8192x8192 ill be damed if I have anything that could show that tho

[14:52:11]

roz:

my CRT does 2048x1536 @ 75 Hz, which for a long time no video card could push

[14:52:30]

roz:

and my CRT is 5years old

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Torg:

actauly there have been video cards that can push that for over 15 years

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roz:

(was very expensive CRT)

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roz:

Geforce 4s couldnt

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roz:

they could only do 2048x1536 @ 60 hz

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roz:

Nvidia didnt change the 2d until the FX.

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roz:

ati's at the time could do it though

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Torg:

teh 2d what?

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Torg:

ati accell support in linux is less then optimal

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roz:

the 2d portion of the original Geforce through the geforce 4 was the same

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janneg:

roz: any geforce 5x00 should be enough. except you want to a LCD with high resolution. then you need a card with dual-link DVI

[14:55:35]

roz:

the FX on up changed the 2d portion and the TV Out both.

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Torg:

the 2d portion of what?

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roz:

the 2d portion of the cards.

[14:56:42]

net_tux:

I just noticed over the weekend that my tv listings don't go past tomorrow; when I ran mythfilldatabase manually, I saw it was getting a "401 Unauthorized" and a "500 Internal Server Error" from datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com

[14:56:43]

net_tux:

Is anyone else seeing this problem? I double checked my username and password for zap2it in the myth config.

[14:56:54]

Torg:

umm there is only one "portion" a GPU, the rest are io lines

[14:57:33]

Torg:

net_tux go sign into labs.zap2it.com and update your subscription

[14:57:59]

roz:

my LCD is single DVI input. 1680x1050, then I will use VGA for my CRT @ 1792x1344

[14:58:44]

roz:

Torg: when you have dual head, for example, you have 2x the 2d portion of the card, but you still only have 1 GPU for 3d processing

[14:59:12]

Torg:

my fe has a 5900 in it, I only use the dvi port. My dekstop (the thing im on now) has a 6600 with dual monitors, ones is connected to the DVI the other to the VGA

[14:59:18]

net_tux:

Torg: it says my subscription expires on 2007/01/31

[14:59:48]

D-side:

i'm glad i've got a 6600GT in my backend.

[14:59:54]

roz:

yep Thats my plan

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D-side:

when i get an HDTV for that room, immediate HD frontend.

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Torg:

gee D-side what the hell for?

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D-side:

Torg: ask me why the backend is a 3800+ X2

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roz:

I wonder if its worth spending the $ now on a card to plan for XGL

[15:00:32]

D-side:

i'll tell you "shrug" :D

[15:00:43]

Torg:

my BE has a radeon 9200 (becase it was spare and the Pc needs a vido card to boot), connected to that card is nothing. I dont run X on my BE there is no reason to

[15:00:45]

roz:

or XGL + dual monitors is really a long ways away.... more likely

[15:01:10]

D-side:

Torg: the video on the old backend i don't think would have cut it for HD out.

[15:01:41]

Torg:

adn net_tux I just rean mythfilldatabase, zap2it is running finr

[15:02:15]

Torg:

D-side my backend? its not even cut for X, hardly for HDTV

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Torg:

ok net_tux I take that back its running slow

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D-side:

i'm too lazy to setup X on the thing right now. i just stuck vnc in it once x was installed. :)

[15:03:27]

Torg:

why use X at all?

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net_tux:

Torg: thanks for checking – it looks like they may have dropped the digital subscriptions in the lineup I had set up

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Torg:

hmm net_tux when was the last time you updated your sub?

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net_tux:

Torg: probably sometime toward the end of october, I usually do it right after I get an email from them, and the last one I see is 10/24

[15:05:28]

Torg:

you need to go in and redo the linup, zap2it redesignated many of the atsc statiosn about a month ago

[15:05:44]

net_tux:

Torg: ah, that must be it – thanks

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D-side:

Torg: "mythtv-setup" on the backend. :)

[15:08:09]

Torg:

D-side mythtv-setup is an X client not an X server, you do not have to run clients on the same box as the server

[15:08:47]

Torg:

you can run any X client on any X server given it has access rights and netowrk conectivity

[15:10:30]

Torg:

in fact I run mythtv-setup on my BE and display it on my desktop, a Windows XP box

[15:11:04]

quicksilver:

yuck

[15:11:34]

Torg:

actually quicksilver it looks quite normal

[15:11:41]

quicksilver:

:)

[15:11:53]

quicksilver:

I just meant 'yuck for having a windows xp box as your desktop' :P

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D-side:

thats a fair point

[15:12:09]

D-side:

however, the backend is the only box that has X on it at all.

[15:12:14]

Torg:

I play games on it, I use Windows for where Windows is apropraite

[15:12:32]

Torg:

D-side I would think your FE has X on it, thats what needs it

[15:12:42]

D-side:

Torg: my FE has aqua on it. :)

[15:13:05]

Torg:

my FE has XFree86 and no window manager

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D-side:

who needs one in that instance?

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D-side:

shame framebuffers are too slow.

[15:13:42]

D-side:

forget about X entirely.

[15:14:04]

D-side:

was i not paying very much attention when i thought i saw a mention of qt-embedded and mythtv?

[15:14:04]

Torg:

framebuffers arnt too slow, just the ones you have been looking at

[15:14:25]

Torg:

before PCs even existed we had frame buffer systems that were nothign more then X servers

[15:14:35]

Torg:

Sun makes them today, there called SunRays

[15:14:45]

Torg:

I have a DEC one thats about 10 years old

[15:14:50]

Torg:

they predate PCs

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D-side:

eh, i'm talking about running a frontend via fb support, no x, nothing.

[15:16:55]

D-side:

everything i've seen in here suggests thats not feasible.

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net_tux:

Torg: thanks, I removed my lineup and created a new one; zap2it seems slow as you saw, but it is working

[15:17:20]

Torg:

D-side not only is it feasable its quite easy to do

[15:17:29]

Torg:

look up XDCMP

[15:18:02]

Torg:

np net_tux

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fryfrog:

anyone have any firewire recorders that are only recording about 5 mintues, then crapping out?

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D-side:

fryfrog: not yet.

[15:19:37]

D-side:

i'm sure i'll be bitten with that too. heh

[15:19:54]

fryfrog:

it was working fine until a little while ago :/

[15:20:49]

D-side:

well what happened

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D-side:

i've found i have to powercycle the firewire box everytime my machine has been powered off.

[15:21:20]

fryfrog:

blech :/

[15:21:33]

fryfrog:

i migrated from gentoo -> ubuntu, for one thing

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D-side:

heh i did the exact opposite.

[15:21:55]

fryfrog:

second, i moved from ubuntu's mythtv packages -> compiling my own svn-fixes

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fryfrog:

then to svn head

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D-side:

i'm using cardoe's latest ebuild.

[15:22:24]

fryfrog:

i'm *this* close to popping the gentoo disks back in

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fryfrog:

thank god i kept them

[15:22:53]

fryfrog:

but it'd mean i'd prolly have to drop the db and all recordings :(

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Torg:

fryfrog just back up the database and restore the recordings table

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D-side:

fryfrog: why?

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D-side:

what torg said. thats how i've been doing it.

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Daviey:

Hi, has anybody here played with mythphone?

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Torg:

yes, its a novel idea

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Daviey:

has anybody successfully used it for video-conferencing to a windows machine?

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Torg:

paladine uses it, I found it to be too burdomsome

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fryfrog:

Torg: oh, save to restore the recordings talbe to an older?

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Torg:

it often does not change formar

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Torg:

err format

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fryfrog:

ah, spiffy

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Torg:

when it did I simply edited the sql by hand

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fryfrog:

well, i spose that means my options are open!

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Torg:

you do know how to read sql, right?

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fryfrog:

enough to get myself in troub le

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fryfrog:

trouble

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D-side:

fryfrog: the docs explain precisely how to save the necessary bits out of the db.

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fryfrog:

prolly not enough to undo a scheme change

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Torg:

well do a mysqldump mythconverg into a file

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Torg:

in it are all the sql statemnets neeed to recreate the db

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Torg:

all you need are teh ones that go into recorded

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Torg:

so you can edit out all the rest and just keep the INSERT INTO 'recorded'

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Torg:

or simply grep for that and put it into a file

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Torg:

the result, is the table entery for all your recorded programs complte with all its metainfo

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D-side:

if you want to keep your old schedules, easily done. retain the list of previously recorded shows, easy.

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Torg:

that or simply save the 'record' table

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D-side:

i'm sure thats what i did.

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fryfrog:

ah, right i've done all that no problemmo

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fryfrog:

usually i dump the whole db, bring it into a temp db then clear out all the tables i don't want to re import

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fryfrog:

and do a dump/load of only the tables i want

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fryfrog:

same idea

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Torg:

you could do that too, grep would be easier

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fryfrog:

the problem is my sql dump is like 50mb or something :(

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fryfrog:

lotta text :)

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fryfrog:

15min to another recording :/

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D-side:

i don't know how much of a problem that is. :)

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Torg:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8207656 Nov 27 09:42 mythconverg.sql

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fryfrog:

8mb?

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Torg:

yes 8M

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fryfrog:

maybe i'm wrong about the size then :/

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fryfrog:

anyway, i can handle that part at least :)

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Torg:

how many BE's Fe's do you have?

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Torg:

and how many channels can you get?

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Torg:

mine is an ATSC reciever with only 5 channels

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fryfrog:

Torg: my master be has a pair of air2pc cards, get about 6 channels. it works great, recordings are full lenght (and size)

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fryfrog:

Torg: my slave be has a pair of firewire DCT6412 HD DVR boxes hooked to it

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Torg:

I hav the same thing, expect I get 12 channels

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Torg:

I dont use a STB or firewire tho

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fryfrog:

it *usused* to record almost flawlessly, but lately it seems to stop recording after 5 minutes

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fryfrog:

Previously, my only problems were related to what "node" the cable boxes would get (ie, each can get 0–2)

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D-side:

fryfrog: this is going to sound stupid, but have you unplugged the power from the tuner box for a bit, then let it go through a full bootup?

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fryfrog:

and they seemed to randomly pick a number

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fryfrog:

D-side: I have in the past, usually when I reboot the slave be, i turn off the stbs for a while

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Torg:

how many channels does the STB get?

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fryfrog:

300+?

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Torg:

thats why your database is larger

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fryfrog:

All the channels I can get from cable

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fryfrog:

OHHH, yeah duh

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fryfrog:

Anyway, the cable boxes record about 5 minutes *correctly* too

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fryfrog:

ie, it makes a preview, i can watch it... all that

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fryfrog:

but... after 4 min of recording, it just stops :/

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fryfrog:

prolly you are right, it is the stupid cable boxes... but

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fryfrog:

the timing is annoying :)

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Torg:

I have two air2pc cards that get 12 channels (each with at least 2 pids), I delete 7 of them and what im left with is 5 viable pids I actualy keep data for

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fryfrog:

i'll reboot everything when i get home today

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fryfrog:

Torg: ah, yeah that would explainw h yyou have so littiele tdb :)

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Torg:

No veo la TV espanola :P

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fryfrog:

stupid laggy ssh :p

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Torg:

what I wish was that the bcasters would bcase basic cable

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Torg:

it was *suposed* to be commerical free, but since it isnt why not bcast it to everyone?

[15:51:06]

Torg:

about the only channels I miss are scifi and discovery

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fryfrog:

i think, mainly due to having channel space?

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fryfrog:

i don't think their is enough bandwidth to broadcast that many channels OTA with commercials, plus i *think* the rights to broadcast are much more expensive :(

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Torg:

sure thats why they have 3 or 4 pids that bcast blank frames or the servalecne camera over DFW

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Torg:

im sure the nielson ratings for those are real high :P

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fryfrog:

haha

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fryfrog:

sure, they could probably broadcast a *few* of the big cable channels

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fryfrog:

but there is also the FTC

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Torg:

they could bcast every last one of them

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fryfrog:

sci-fi, comedy central, etc don't have to worry much about saying "shit" on tv or what ever

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Torg:

the FTC regualtes who can own a tower and what freq they can bcast on, nto what they can or who can use it

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fryfrog:

oh, yeah sorry FCC?

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Torg:

in fact many tv companies lease space from others

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fryfrog:

but you know what i mean

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Torg:

yes

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fryfrog:

yeah, it does suck that we *pay* for cable, then *still* are expected to watch 25% commercials :)

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fryfrog:

thank god for myth

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Torg:

abc, nbc anc cbs can say shit on tv, they have been able to for about 10 yars now

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Torg:

oh and btw there is bcast atsc cable here, its just encrytped and they wont let you recieve it without a stb

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fryfrog:

http://pastebin.ca/259600

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fryfrog:

anyone see anything odd about that?

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fryfrog:

oops, a good bit of the first part is a be restart

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juski:

ping

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juski:

whoops

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seth|laptop:

hey juski, just wanted to say, the blue theme is great, and I now have all my badges affixed to various machines. And BTW, with the proper "DisplaSize" setting, blue theme works well in 4:3

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juski:

blootube you mean?

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juski:

it's not designed for 4:3

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seth|laptop:

but it works well

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seth|laptop:

yes, bluetoob

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juski:

blootube-wide ;)

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seth|laptop:

or rather blootube-wide

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juski:

cheers anyway :)

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seth|laptop:

another outstanding job :-)

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juski:

not finished yet AFAIK

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juski:

www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/blootube-wide/

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seth|laptop:

hey, must be even better now, my current version is 1.0

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Is the OSD suppose to be in that tarballs directory for downloading ?

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luckyone:

hello everyone

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luckyone:

I am considering purchasing a 1 GHz celeron with 256 MB of ram, would that make an acceptable frontend?

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GreyFoxx:

for regular standard definition videos it should be ok

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luckyone:

it won't playback HD though

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GreyFoxx:

correct

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luckyone:

I don't have HD myth setup, isn't most of the content blocked in the US anyway?

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visit0r:

luckyone: yep, I'm using a Duron 800MHz/256MB for DVB and some regular resolution XViD viewing just fine

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GreyFoxx:

the US has lots of free over the air HD broadcasts depending on where you are

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luckyone:

huh

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GreyFoxx:

as well if you have a STB with firewire out you can often record HD from that

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luckyone:

GreyFoxx: do you need firewire in on your box? or does it just make your hd look like an external drive?

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luckyone:

I think I have a firewire port on my server

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luckyone:

not sure about the box

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luckyone:

I am very excited about building a mythTV frontend for cheap though

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GreyFoxx:

no, you record over the firewire cable, so to do that you would require a HDTV settop box with firewire out, (and enabled) and your backend would have to have a firewire port to record from

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luckyone:

cool

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luckyone:

I am sure there is a forum I could read about it

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luckyone:

that would be great though

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luckyone:

are there any MPEG-4 capture cards on the market?

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GreyFoxx:

Only one I know of is the Plextor which I think was usb/external

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GreyFoxx:

and they don't really save you much

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juski:

GreyFoxx: which one? I'm trying to rationalise all my stuff this week

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luckyone:

they aren't considerably smaller file sizes?

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GreyFoxx:

juski: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/blootube-wide/

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juski:

ahhh I getcha

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GreyFoxx:

juski: the OSD section download link didn't show any OSD]

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GreyFoxx:

luckyone: I don't believe so

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juski:

I'll fix it now

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GreyFoxx:

to really get those small sizes you have to spend a lot more time and cpu analysing each frame

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GreyFoxx:

if you are doing it realtime you wont get that optimization time

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GreyFoxx:

They might be smaller, but I doubt you will find them a lot smaller

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luckyone:

I wish that rather than Bionc, the protien folding @home had a plugin

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juski:

fixed :)

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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juski:

I don't endorse Bionc – it's defeating the object of beating global warming is't it? how ironic is that

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fryfrog:

i thought boinc did seti?

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juski:

they do all sorts

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seth|laptop:

which db entry in mythconverg, would I have to change to get the "priority' of a card to be different. For example I want card 4 to record before card 5

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seth|laptop:

??

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juski:

use the proper method, not hacking the db

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seth|laptop:

ack, but I am 21 miles away from my box, and it will start recording 2 hours before I get home, hehe, but you are right, better to wait and run mythtv setup

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juski:

that's why vnc, freenx & X over ssh were invented ;)

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janneg:

seth|laptop: cardinput.recpriority

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janneg:

why running mythtv-setup when you can mess with the database directly :)

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juski:

and screw it up in unimaginable ways :)

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janneg:

don't do that if you don't know that you're doing

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juski:

true

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janneg:

asking for the value is the first sign of someone who didn't know what he is doing

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janneg:

so I shouldn't had answered the question

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seth|laptop:

well I will wait until I get home. One of my HD cards must be going bad, as its recordings are sheit, and its temporarily wasting valuable hard drive space, I'm down to 70GB, not good.

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gbee:

juski: just realised that somwhere in the confusion I lost that mythtv case badge I bought

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juski:

gbee: I'll send you one FoC :)

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gbee:

thanks! I wasn't fishing ... honestly

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gbee:

:)

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seth|laptop:

so in the latest svn fixes, anything major not working?

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juski:

drop me an email wi yer address & I'll drop it in the post next time I'm near a postbox

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gbee:

overlooked some unpacking and remembered it when I found my blood stained pass

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gbee:

will do ;)

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juski:

gbee: all healed up now btw?

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seth|laptop:

cable/dish or HDTV?

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seth|laptop:

oops, sorry wrong window

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juski:

I'll have a cable please bob

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gbee:

not entirely – my scars are still prominent and my necks still giving me some pain

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gbee:

improving though :)

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juski:

ouch. good to know it's getting better at least

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fryfrog:

god, this better not be the fucking issue

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fryfrog:

my backend's time was correct, slave backends was off by 1 hr :/

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fryfrog:

how is it my gentoo had no stupid time syncing issues, but ubuntu is a little bitch about it?

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juski:

jees h crap that might've been something to do with my minimyth

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juski:

* problem

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fryfrog:

my firewire recordings were ending after only 5 min, and it *looks* like it was perfectly natural

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fryfrog:

ie, the recordings are fine and watchable

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fryfrog:

no errors in log files, etc

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fryfrog:

sheesh

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fryfrog:

that'd be annoying if it turns out :p

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fryfrog:

Nov 27 12:21:38 dumbledore — MARK --

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fryfrog:

wtf?

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fryfrog:

i have tons of those :/

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juski:

I blame the orks

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fryfrog:

poh

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fryfrog:

i mean, ah, here we go

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fryfrog:

its on purpose

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fryfrog:

fryfrog@snape:/var/log$ sudo su -

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fryfrog:

sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Nov 27 13:21:57 2006

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fryfrog:

stupid ubuntu :p

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fryfrog:

now i have to wait an hour to do anything :p

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qu0zl:

you can't just su – fryfrog?

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juski:

no root password to su with – at least not a human one

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juski:

so do sudo passwd root :)

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fryfrog:

yeah, cuase sudo works :p

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fryfrog:

aparantly i can just set the time back, sudo -k then set the time right :)

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thedward:

juski: that's the first thing I do after I install an ubuntu box :)

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juski:

sudo ku – now there's a puzzle

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fryfrog:

oh

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juski:

(c) & (r) lame puns R us

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fryfrog:

can't cahnge the date w/o sudo either :)

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qu0zl:

ahh jaysus juski

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fryfrog:

thedward: i was feeling *all* good about myself for using sudo and not being root all the time... despite how many times i *forget* to use sudo, make a bunch of changes to a file then try to save :/

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fryfrog:

now i wish i had enabled the root acount :p

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juski:

right, time to burger orf home

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juski:

laters all

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qu0zl:

cya

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bfree:

anyone know anything about subtitles? I'd like to be able to add subtitles to video I'll be capturing in divx (at least initially, perhaps mpeg later) ... and is there any way/format/container that I'm likely to find non-pc players for without transcoding the divx? in case it matters I won't be capturing the subtitles, I'll be producing them (from a program) ... would be even better if I could add a video overlay but I assume that mea

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nomego:

can I use mythtv and plugins against mysql-5.0?

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nomego:

when I try to import my old mysql-databases I get complaints about too long keys in jumppoints, profilegroups and settings tables

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bfree:

actually just typing my question in here got to me thinking of it as subtitles (rather then an overlay) in the fist place ...lead me to productive googling and .srt files which seem trivial for me to do :-D ... so thanks everyone ;-)

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xris:

nomego: should work fine

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nomego:

xris: what about those tables?

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xris:

nomego: why not just bring the data over instead of trying to do an import?

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xris:

or if you are doing that, use an sql dump

[17:53:02]

nomego:

how do you mean? just move the directories?

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nomego:

I've made an sql dump

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nomego:

mysqldump --all-databases --opt --allow-keywords --flush-logs --hex-blob --master-data --max_allowed_packet=16M --quote-names

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nomego:

and now I'm trying a mysql < dump.output

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xris:

try just moving the directory

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nomego:

yeah I get incompatible database if I try that

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xris:

that's odd

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nomego:

it's a 4.0 -> 5.0 upgrade

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bfree:

I'd guess that a table/key creation default value changed between versions so your dump is now a little invalid? but that's from past mysql experience, not mythtv experience

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xris:

nomego: shouldn't matter... 5 is supposed to auto-update old db styles. dunno, I had no trouble with my upgrade, and I just left my data in place.

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nomego:

xris: on the first start?

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xris:

nomego: or any time. dunno.

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bfree:

you could try and check my idea by trying to just dump/import the table creation only (I'm sure that's a mysqldump option or you could copy it out of what you have) ... then just one of those tables and try and fix it?

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xris:

5 should allow LONGER keys, though, which is even stranger

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nomego:

I can try the command manually..

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nomego:

xris: maybe it's because it's utf8 now?

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nomego:

.. the length gets shorter..

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Tuju:

hi

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xris:

nomego: no clue

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Tuju:

any idea why my ivtv driver doesn't load automatically

[18:02:24]

Tuju:

it loads with modprobe

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nomego:

would it affect anything to shorten the hostname varchar to 100 instead of 255 if I have a hostname shorter than 100 bytes? ;)

[18:02:44]

bfree:

mysql_upgrade might help?

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nomego:

bfree: tried that with the old databases, but the mysql-server must be running and it can't start with my old mysql-databases

[18:04:11]

nomego:

well if the hostname-column doesn't have to be larger than 100 bytes I'm all done ;)

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xris:

nomego: that *might* affect index size...

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nomego:

xris: what do you mean?

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xris:

nomego: thought your problem was indexes being too long

[18:05:29]

xris:

anyway, give it a try, see if it works

[18:05:33]

nomego:

it worked

[18:05:40]

nomego:

just want to know it doesn't affect mythtv

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nomego:

there's no risk of mythtv writing anything larger than 100 bytes into hostname, right?

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xris:

not if your hostnames are all short

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nomego:

(unless I change the hostname to something ridiculus)

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nomego:

great

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bfree:

mac-mini-frontend.multimedia-viewing-room.private-home-intranet.i-couldnt-find-a ny-shorter-domain.com (length 102) :-P

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nomego:

bfree: yeah I thought of that so I only lowered to 200 ;P

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Torg:

since hostnames were made so you didnt have to memorise ip addresses, and ip addresses were make so you didnt have to memorise mac addresses dosn't it seem a bit ironic you want to make a hostname that is damn near imposible to remember?

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Dagmar:

No, they weren't.

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Dagmar:

IP addresses were made so that you could send information to computers not on your local network segment

[18:18:23]

Dagmar:

...but it's definitely not all that smart to set hostnames that are impossible to remember and/or type

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kormoc:

Mac addresses came about after ip addresses, no?

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bfree:

as long as the people who need to can trivially find a link what does it _really_ matter though?

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bfree:

it wouldn't be great security but having an incomprehensible (sub-) domain name would make random visitors struggle a little more (especially if you used the dns lookup for it as a sort of port-knocking/pop-before-smtp system so only people who even knew they had to look it up directly themselves (i.e. ignore dns caching) and what it was could even get to it to try and crack it unless they first crack the dns server for it which in turn

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Torg:

actualy Dagmar they were, its in RFC 826. Ip addresses where made to directly map to ethernet address (ARP). It is in fact layers 5 6 adn 7 of the OSI model (coincidently TCP came out before the OSI model)

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kormoc:

Torg, you mean layers 2 and 3 :P

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Torg:

so you could arge its what allowed you to connect comptuer to computer, but in reality that is the ethernet frames (layer 3 adn 4) not the TCP

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Torg:

conectivly between system, on your netowrk or not, is hence a property of the netowrk layer (layer 2 switches come to mind) not IP

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Torg:

IP is then a way to map to mac address

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kormoc:

sorta, but not entirely

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kormoc:

IP's are to the software implimentation of the OSI model and mac's are the hardware

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kormoc:

it's not always a direct 1 to 1 corrilation (think broadcast addresses)

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ChriZSpencer:

/me dvbdevice.cpp:20:28: Fehler: linux/compiler.h: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden

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ChriZSpencer:

anyone an idea what this is? came in make

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ChriZSpencer:

dvbdevice.cpp:20:28: Fehler: linux/compiler.h: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden

[18:28:27]

ChriZSpencer:

dvbdevice.cpp:20:28: Error: linux/compiler.h: File or Folder not found

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kormoc:

please don't spam the channel with the same thing over and over again...

[18:28:40]

kormoc:

it means you likely don't have your kernel headers installed

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Zider:

and especially don't flood error messages in german ;)

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ChriZSpencer:

thank you for responding. how do I do this? sorry. clipboard problem

[18:29:13]

ChriZSpencer:

;-)

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ChriZSpencer:

could you help me with that?

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kormoc:

Honestly, I don't know debian well enough to help out

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ChriZSpencer:

its fedora core 6

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ChriZSpencer:

the task is to install kernel headers?

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

donno fedora that well neather :P

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ChriZSpencer:

what could this package be named, for example?

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kormoc:

it would likely be something skin to kernel-2.6.x-devel or similar

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ChriZSpencer:

kernel-devel?

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kormoc:

could be

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Defend:

ya probly

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ChriZSpencer:

i found a doc

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ChriZSpencer:

for what purpose are they?

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Defend:

you probly want to install a custom kernel

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kormoc:

ChriZSpencer, they're used to compile code against the kernel

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Dagmar:

The program needs configured kernel source and the kernel-headers package to compile

[18:32:36]

Defend:

the kernel is the heart of the os allowing you to include support for devices and enveroment

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Dagmar:

Possibly not configured kernel source, but *definitely* kernel headers

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ChriZSpencer:

the desired package was missing

[18:33:17]

Dagmar:

You should probably just look for FC6 packages pre-built if you don't know anything about compiling software from source.

[18:34:29]

ChriZSpencer:

i installed them, but still have the error: dvbdevice.cpp:20:28: Error: linux/compiler.h: File or Folder not found

[18:34:39]

Dagmar:

No, you didn't install them

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Dagmar:

What is it you think you installeD?

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ChriZSpencer:

a mod for mythtv

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Dagmar:

You need to install the kernel headers package

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ChriZSpencer:

ok. i think i did, but i continue searching

[18:35:35]

Dagmar:

You didn't.

[18:36:14]

Dagmar:

You need to install the kernel headers package. I am not wrong.

[18:36:41]

ChriZSpencer:

http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora- . . . ernelheaders

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ChriZSpencer:

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Dagmar:

So?

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ChriZSpencer:

i did this http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora- . . . ernelheaders

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Dagmar:

Big deal.

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ChriZSpencer:

?

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Dagmar:

If you don't have a /usr/include/linux/compiler.h file, you either didnt' follow that guys instructions correctly, or his instructions were wrong.

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bobalu:

afternoon guys

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ChriZSpencer:

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Dagmar:

I think I pretty much reduced it down to a very simple set of circumstances.

[18:43:06]

Dagmar:

You should look for binary packages of MythTV for FC6.

[18:43:36]

ChriZSpencer:

i dont want packages, i want to patch mythtv and compile it

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Dagmar:

Then you've got more digging to do

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ChriZSpencer:

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kormoc:

you're missing the kernel headers

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kormoc:

if you don't have that file, your kernel headers are missing or screwed up

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ChriZSpencer:

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ChriZSpencer:

how could i use it?

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Dagmar:

It's like trying to drive a spaghetti noodle with a screwdrievr

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Dagmar:

You don't use that one.

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ChriZSpencer:

;-) youre funny

[18:49:02]

ChriZSpencer:

can i use it?

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Dagmar:

And you make me despair for the future of the human rave

[18:49:07]

Dagmar:

s/rave/race/;

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Dagmar:

Googling "fc6 kernel-headers". Third hit.

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Dagmar:

http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php? . . . rnel-headers

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Dagmar:

Amazingly, a very short way down the resulting page, there is the *DAHM DAHM DAAAAh!* a kernel-headers package

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Dagmar:

"either you didnt' follow the instructions correctly or his instructions were wrong"

[18:51:13]

ChriZSpencer:

it just says to install the package

[18:51:37]

Dagmar:

THREE people here told you to install the kernel-headers package

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Dagmar:

the kernel-headers package

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ChriZSpencer:

there is none in the repo

[18:52:08]

ChriZSpencer:

i try yours

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ChriZSpencer:

the one you found

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Dagmar:

I'm dont.

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Dagmar:

s/dont/done/;

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Dagmar:

There is clearly no intelligent life here.

[18:52:59]

ChriZSpencer:

this is the right way to keep the mythcommunity small

[18:53:17]

ChriZSpencer:

if you want to help, help and dont anger me

[18:53:30]

Dagmar:

Stupid people shouldn't breed.

[18:53:44]

kormoc:

ChriZSpencer, well, really, we're not a fedora channel, we can tell you the basic issue, such as your kernel headers are screwed up, but the specifics we can't help with.

[18:53:49]

Dagmar:

If you can't pay attention long enough to read the answers given, please don't waste people's time asking questions.

[18:53:51]

Dagmar:

It's simply not fair.

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kormoc:

ChriZSpencer, you might have better luck in #fedora or similar

[18:54:02]

Dagmar:

There are other people who *do* pay attention when they're given answers.

[18:54:19]

ChriZSpencer:

you made yourself clear, so i

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fysa:

Dagmar is a people-person, ChriZSpencer.

[18:55:27]

Dagmar:

They taste good with a nice whitesauce

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Torg:

and some fava beans

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Dagmar:

English really doesn't get any simpler than "install the kernel headers package". :/

[18:56:15]

kormoc:

Mmm... HuFu...

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ChriZSpencer:

i think the docu was wrong

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Dagmar:

I said that a few minutes ago, actually.

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Torg:

unless you don't know what kernel headders are or how to install them

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ChriZSpencer:

yes. i have my corecompetence somewhere else, dont mind. but i want mythtv running

[18:57:15]

Dagmar:

I was hoping you'd deduce that you couldn't have mucked up a cut and paste of his instructions.

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ChriZSpencer:

modified

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kormoc:

what patch are you even attempting to get working?

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ChriZSpencer:

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Dagmar:

pfft

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ChriZSpencer:

/me The Kernel Headers are available through the kernel-devel RPM.

[18:59:30]

ChriZSpencer:

i installed the package and i had no result

[18:59:39]

kormoc:

well then, guess you should stop asking about getting it working if we don't support it

[18:59:52]

Shadow_7:

maybe OT, but what package source or otherwise do I get the lircd_serail module?

[18:59:52]

ChriZSpencer:

;-)

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Dagmar:

And stop asking about it if you're going to ignore the answers you're given

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Tuju:

any idea why my ivtv card doesn't autoload?

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kormoc:

Shadow_7, lirc

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Tuju:

it works with modprobe

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kormoc:

Tuju, cause you didn't tell your distro to autoload it?

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Dagmar:

Tuju: What kernel? Maybe you broke udev/hotplug somehow

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ChriZSpencer:

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Tuju:

kormoc could be :)

[19:00:36]

ChriZSpencer:

the rpm is downloading

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Tuju:

Dagmar yep, I suspect something too

[19:00:55]

Dagmar:

ChriZSpencer: I don't need to "understand" you. I saw the error you pasted. Installing the kernel-headers package for FC6 solves it, completely.

[19:01:00]

Tuju:

tried to read hotplug udev man pages with no luck

[19:01:26]

Dagmar:

Tuju: Make sure didn't do something weird like forget to to `make install` to install the module, or maybe turned off auto-loading of modules in the kernel when you built it

[19:01:30]

Tuju:

and looked around /etc/hotplug but don't understand that much

[19:01:31]

kormoc:

ChriZSpencer, why keep asking about it if you are waiting for the fix to download?

[19:01:45]

Tuju:

nope, I'm using centos default kernel

[19:01:45]

ChriZSpencer:

dagmar: yes andthe soultion i found was wrong or not working. currently i download the rpm you found. i appriciate your help

[19:02:00]

Tuju:

and atrpms ivtv driver

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kormoc:

ChriZSpencer, whatever rpm you find needs to match the kernel you're running

[19:02:30]

Dagmar:

ChriZSpencer: Dude I built at minimum 30 packages a month that other people use. I'm not just some random forum guy running his mouth. Neither are the other people in here giving you the same decisive answers.

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Dagmar:

s/built/build/;

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Tuju:

I've also mapped modprobe.conf major-minor numbers to ivtv driver

[19:02:39]

ChriZSpencer:

yes. i chose the latest that matched

[19:02:58]

Dagmar:

Tuju: It shouldn't be necessary to do that

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Dagmar:

Lemme grab a soda and I'll explain in detail what's going on with that so you can look through and see if it's happening right on your end or not

[19:03:14]

Tuju:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#capture

[19:03:33]

Tuju:

there they advice that I should set those:

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Tuju:

alias char-major-81 videodev

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Tuju:

alias char-major-81–0 ivtv

[19:03:54]

Tuju:

I've pvr500 card and it has two tuners

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Dagmar:

It's totally not needed.

[19:04:18]

Tuju:

those alias lines?

[19:04:24]

Dagmar:

It used to be with some really old versions of the driver, and with obscenely ancient kernels

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Dagmar:

Those alias lines are not needed.

[19:04:34]

Tuju:

Dagmar, ack

[19:04:50]

Dagmar:

Here's the rundown. Your kernel boots up, and one of the first things it does is start looking for the hardware it's supposed to initialize...

[19:05:18]

Dagmar:

Tuju: Of those things, you usually have a PCI chipset and a USB chipset that it will find. Both of these are buses and it knows that there will be other devices hanging around on the other side of them.

[19:05:33]

Dagmar:

Tuju: So it fires up the code that enumerates (i.e., "does a roll call") the bus devices.

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Tuju:

Dagmar, sounds logical

[19:06:12]

Tuju:

now if that just would work :)

[19:06:25]

Dagmar:

Each of these devices (both PCI and USB) has two numbers that identify it more or less uniquely as _exactly_ what type of device it is and who made it. This is supposed to (by the specification) always be accurate enough to identify a particular set of drivers to load

[19:06:31]

Tuju:

udev doesn't need any userspace daemon, right?

[19:06:36]

ChriZSpencer:

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Dagmar:

Well, it'

[19:06:44]

ChriZSpencer:

[19:06:50]

Dagmar:

Well, it needs udevd I think

[19:06:55]

Tuju:

mm

[19:07:08]

Dagmar:

ChriZSpencer: Afaik, ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/developme . . . fc6.i386.rpm is *exactly* the thing

[19:07:29]

Tuju:

Dagmar, I dont' have such in /etc/init.d

[19:07:47]

Tuju:

but it seems to be in process list

[19:07:50]

Tuju:

:)

[19:07:56]

Dagmar:

Tuju: In any case, that thing just walks down the list of devices it found and looks them up in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.usbmap and modules.pcimap

[19:07:57]

ChriZSpencer:

dagmar: kernel-2.6.18–1.2849.fc6.src.rpm

[19:08:14]

Tuju:

someone is firing firecracks and rockets for GWB (bush)

[19:08:15]

ChriZSpencer:

it is it

[19:08:22]

Dagmar:

ChriZSpencer: http://www.rif.org

[19:08:25]

Dagmar:

I can't help you.

[19:08:41]

Tuju:

Dagmar, ack.

[19:08:43]

fryfrog:

ahhaha, fixing the clock appears to have fixed my "firewire" issue :)

[19:08:56]

Tuju:

so it's a mystery why it doesn't work :)

[19:09:05]

Dagmar:

I gave you the page that had your fix on it, I told you how I found it in the first place, I told you what to install, and you STILL screwed it up.

[19:09:13]

Dagmar:

Freaking *read*

[19:09:49]

fryfrog:

ouch, smack down

[19:10:09]

ChriZSpencer:

dagmar: it says that its already installed

[19:10:10]

Dagmar:

Tuju: Anyway, the modules.pcimap and modules.usbmap contain all the device and product ids that the kernel is going to be able to "know" about, and each one points at a driver module to modprobe when they're seen

[19:10:26]

Tuju:

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, got sound back – something works at least :)

[19:10:46]

Dagmar:

Tuju: Those two files are actually populated by depmod just like it does modules.dep when you run it after installing new modules.

[19:11:02]

Tuju:

Dagmar – i'll look at those and see if my card is listed

[19:11:23]

Tuju:

USA president is less than 1km from me :)

[19:11:27]

Dagmar:

Tuju: So basically, if you have a driver module, and it's "complete enough" to actually have the proper codes in it, depmod makes sure those codes get added to the map. Just having the driver tells the kernel which devices it's supposed to go with.

[19:11:55]

Dagmar:

Tuju: The only way this breaks is if you *turned off automatic module loading in the kernel* or have otherwise murdered udevd

[19:12:35]

Tuju:

Dagmar – I sometimes turn off unneeded services but haven't done such lobotomize :)

[19:12:57]

Tuju:

mmm centos doesn't seem to have modules.pcimap....

[19:13:12]

Dagmar:

Check your kernel config

[19:13:14]

kormoc:

is centos fully switched to udev?

[19:13:20]

Tuju:

should be

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kormoc:

I thought 4.4 still was in that bastarized hybred

[19:13:34]

Tuju:

it's RHEL rebuild

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kormoc:

heh, I thought RHEL was also in the middle

[19:13:56]

Tuju:

then it could be :)

[19:13:57]

Dagmar:

If it's up to using kernel 2.6.17 or higher by now they'd have no excuse not to have udevd working

[19:14:07]

Tuju:

nope, it's 2.6.9 :)

[19:14:14]

Dagmar:

Okay.

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kormoc:

Dagmar, aye, 2.6.9

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Dagmar:

Understand that I mean this when I say it

[19:14:23]

Dagmar:

That kernel is fucking evil

[19:14:32]

Dagmar:

Run from it as fast as you can

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Tuju:

yep. I've noticed it in other areas too :)

[19:14:40]

** kormoc laughs **

[19:14:45]

psofa:

OK[]:[]<socket number>[]:[]<file size high 32 bits>[]:[]<file size low 32 bits>

[19:14:47]

Tuju:

people seem to complain abt it.

[19:14:53]

Dagmar:

They *should*

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psofa:

socket number is in ascii chars or as a number?

[19:15:01]

Dagmar:

It's got a lot of really, really non-working stuff in it

[19:15:10]

kormoc:

psofa, number likely

[19:15:19]

Dagmar:

Depends on the context

[19:15:30]

Tuju:

Dagmar – well, can't really get rid of it yet. :)

[19:15:55]

Tuju:

I need to know RHEL/fedora stuff due my work and there aren't much EL distros out there.

[19:15:58]

Dagmar:

Tuju: There's this wonderful USB driver for "backwards compatibility" which overshoots it's mandate and makes even USB 1.1 devices abysmally slow

[19:16:02]

kormoc:

but yeah, I'm realtively certain that centos (and RHEL) are both mixed udev/devfs right now

[19:16:12]

Tuju:

especially due the fscking contract between suse and ms :-[

[19:16:22]

Dagmar:

Tuju: ...and the way it handles SATA drives is such a joy: It's not guaranteed they'll all be initialized in the same order every time.

[19:16:46]

Dagmar:

Tuju: And there's literally half a dozen other things that were determined to be seriously broken in it that have been since fixed.

[19:16:55]

Dagmar:

You really, really want to be using kernel-2.6.17.x or newer for this stuff

[19:17:10]

Tuju:

yep, RHEL3 with sata didn't work at all :)

[19:17:23]

kormoc:

Tuju, yeah, for things like myth, fedora would be better then centos

[19:17:29]

Dagmar:

2.6.9 is when things started sparking, and then the fire wasn't put out until after 2.6.11

[19:17:56]

Dagmar:

Even HAL misbehaves hidously with 2.6.9–2.6.11

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Tuju:

I would but if this crap works somehow, I rather use their updates than go back to -93 manual distros :)

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ChriZSpencer:

dagmar. This is from fc6 release notes: The <linux/compiler.h> header file has been removed, since it contains nothing of use to userspace.

[19:18:16]

Dagmar:

Tuju: Even *Slackware* has a kernel newer/better than 2.6.9 available to it

[19:18:30]

kormoc:

ChriZSpencer, heh, well then, you're out of luck

[19:18:36]

Tuju:

Dagmar – I started with SLS back 1993 :)

[19:18:38]

ChriZSpencer:

ok

[19:18:48]

ChriZSpencer:

i continue searching. thanks for your help

[19:18:52]

Tuju:

and slackware is desktop distro.

[19:18:55]

kormoc:

Dagmar, isn't debian stable at 2.6.8?

[19:19:00]

Tuju:

that doesn't count

[19:19:04]

Dagmar:

Tuju: Well, I have a pretty much working set of packages (with their built scripts kinda built into them) for Slackware 10.2 sitting in dagmar.droplinegnome.org/mythtv

[19:19:10]

Tuju:

my laptop still has fc4 :)

[19:19:35]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Not sure. I try not to think about them. If I start seeing them running newer things than Slackware I think I might become very depressed about it

[19:19:42]

Tuju:

Does slackware still have nuting more than tarballs as sw management? :)

[19:19:59]

Dagmar:

It has just the barest of minimums necessary, otherwise I'd be making RPMs

[19:19:59]

Tuju:

I used to use it before redhat was founded

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kormoc:

Tuju, wouldn't be slackware otherwise!

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Dagmar:

I just know people will not be happy with the packager fork I've been working on

[19:20:40]

Tuju:

:)

[19:20:42]

Dagmar:

I can hear the cries now... "OMG postuninstall scripts are not the Slackware Way!"

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rhuey:

Buh

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Tuju:

well, I'm 34 nowdays and have too much work and too few time so rpm or something similar and easy is the way to go :)

[19:21:36]

** Paladine just finished making and rolling the dough for his homemade pizzas :) **

[19:21:41]

Dagmar:

Get a job as a NOC operator

[19:21:44]

Dagmar:

It works for me.

[19:21:47]

Tuju:

:)

[19:21:54]

Dagmar:

Decent money and I sit around all night working on packages.

[19:22:01]

Tuju:

I used to be sysadmin in department where was nuting to do.

[19:22:07]

Dagmar:

Well, when things are going *well* on the network anyway

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Tuju:

nowdays I'm doing bit more intence stuff :)

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Dagmar:

Tuju: I used to wrangle a world-wide network of firewalls. This is much less hassle.

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Tuju:

Dagmar – mee too :)

[19:22:56]

Tuju:

worked for globalone some years ago. :)

[19:23:07]

Dagmar:

Whoo! Nifty

[19:23:14]

Tuju:

hardest <enter> in my life happened there.

[19:23:25]

fryfrog:

i used to be a noc bitch :)

[19:23:41]

Dagmar:

I worked for iAsiaWorks. We built K-Mart sized colocation factilites in half of asia-pac

[19:23:45]

Tuju:

if I had screwed that up, paper ships would have piled into harbour :)

[19:24:08]

Tuju:

Dagmar – sounds like lot's of travelling and warm weather :)

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ChriZSpencer:

dagmar: solution- you can find compiler.h in /lib/modules/KERNEL-VERSION/build/include/linux copy the file into /usr/include/linux

[19:24:28]

ChriZSpencer:

worked

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Dagmar:

Tuju: Not if you know how to keep busy at home. I dont' have the attention span for a 14 hour flight, and I hate hot weather, so I made sure I could stay home in San Francicso the whole time

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Dagmar:

I am one of those people who are literally pawing at the windows to get out of the plane from just the four hour flight from Nashville to San Francisco

[19:25:11]

Tuju:

Wellcome to skandinavia :)

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Dagmar:

Oh man I seriously started to take someone up on a job offer from Ireland for about that reason

[19:25:31]

Tuju:

it gets down to -30 degrees in celsius here :)

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fryfrog:

Dagmar: ah, so you are one of those people one might lable as "totally freakin nuts" ? :)

[19:25:46]

Dagmar:

Then I thought, "how much work am I going to get done in a country filled with redheads and hard liquor"

[19:25:48]

Tuju:

your car is literally dying when you crank it up :)

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Dagmar:

fryfrog: Just really, really keyed up most of the time

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kormoc:

Mmm... Lovely ladys with Red hair...

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Tuju:

San Francisco and rest of the west coast is still on my todo-list.

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Dagmar:

Yeah I would not like to have on my permanent record that I was booted from Ireland on a work visa for spending all my time chasing women

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fryfrog:

gah, i'd be screwed if someone sent me to korea, japan, china ;)

[19:27:14]

fryfrog:

plus my wife would kill me

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Dagmar:

Tuju: They've outdoor malls in San Francisco because well, you dont' quite need a roof there.

[19:27:21]

Tuju:

I've been in china. :)

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kormoc:

Tuju, just avoid the north west right now, it's all snowy :/

[19:27:48]

Tuju:

Yep, living without roofs sounds nice :)

[19:28:13]

Tuju:

they had those bars in Egypt where tables and soffas were under bare sky.

[19:28:38]

Tuju:

and everybody were smoking waterpipe and something suspicious :)

[19:29:03]

Gazo:

haha

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Dagmar:

That's about as "suspicious" as seeing a guy in a tie-dyed shirt at a Phish concert smoking a hand-rolled cigarette.

[19:29:18]

Tuju:

mmm, I guess I could check out what's going on with minimyth if my box would finally start working

[19:29:31]

Tuju:

Dagmar :)

[19:29:36]

Dagmar:

That's not suspicion. Suspicion implies that there's some room for doubt.

[19:30:22]

Tuju:

actually – here in estonia people smoke those arab water pipes a lot, with ordinary tobacco.

[19:30:28]

Dagmar:

Houkahs

[19:30:37]

Tuju:

those pipes are called?

[19:30:43]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[19:30:52]

Tuju:

ah, didn't know that. :)

[19:31:09]

Richard__:

howdy, does anyone know where I can get a working tv_grab_fi?

[19:31:10]

Dagmar:

There's a slight engineering difference between a houkah and a bong.

[19:31:19]

Torg:

they also put other things in the Houkah that inst illicit, but not tobaco either

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Dagmar:

Richard__: you *may* need to grab the CVS of the grabbers for that to work

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Dagmar:

The grabbers tend to get fixed in CVS pretty quickly

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Richard__:

mythtv svn tracker?

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Richard__:

hey finntux

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FinnTux:

hey

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Richard__:

tv_grab_fi, any quick links you could toss my way?

[19:32:45]

Tuju:

http://tuju.fi/tmp/IMG_0207.JPG

[19:32:50]

Dagmar:

Richard__: No, the xmltv pakcage that you get the grabbers from in the first place

[19:33:06]

Tuju:

http://tuju.fi/tmp/IMG_0220.JPG

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Tuju:

http://tuju.fi/tmp/IMG_0241.JPG

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Gazo:

haha nice pipe !!

[19:33:48]

Tuju:

yep :)

[19:33:55]

Dagmar:

'Oh that's not a houkah, but it's a damn nice lookin' pipe

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FinnTux:

I'm using debian testing and just compiled latest cvs version and replaced /usr/bin/tv_grab_fi

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Torg:

I belive it to be the deliver end of a hookah, not the whole thing

[19:34:39]

Richard__:

using ubuntu edgy and the packages that were included (0.20)

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Dagmar:

Oh that's just the hose?!? That thing must be HUGE

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Tuju:

I was 'tower' and hose where was this hard pipe with the nozzle.

[19:35:14]

Dagmar:

Richard__: check the installation documentation on www.mythtv.org. You can find where to get the whole collection of grabbers from there

[19:35:14]

Richard__:

newest version of xmltv I think, but as Dagmar says I'll probably have to get some svn version

[19:35:18]

Tuju:

and the water in is this tower.

[19:35:28]

FinnTux:

yep, svn version works

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FinnTux:

compile it and copy grab/fi/tv_grab_fi to /usr/bin/tv_grab_fi

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FinnTux:

I didn't run make install at all

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FinnTux:

just copied it over

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Tuju:

actually, after seeing how red hat handles their bugs in RHEL, just started wondering why the hell I'm using their distro. :-)

[19:37:33]

Dagmar:

Perl is mellow like that

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Tuju:

perhaps I'll wait till rhel5 and give it a try.

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FinnTux:

anyone having problems with mytharchive and cut lists?

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FinnTux:

DVD is created ok but it still has the whole show on it.

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Tuju:

chopper is clapping over, perhaps GWB has taken off :)

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Torg:

has something changed in the SVN concering how commflagging is done? AggressiveCommDetect=0, AutoCommercialFlag=1, and unless AutoCommflagWhileRecording=1 commflagging never gets done

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Dagmar:

I've had to manually pull the commflagging data into the editor for awhile now

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Dagmar:

I dont' really even think about it anymore, I just hit e-z-e the moment I start watching something

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Tuju:

does anyone know some very small display with 12V input and PAL support?

[19:49:26]

Tuju:

can composite + RGB inputs

[19:49:30]

Tuju:

and composite + RGB inputs

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Dagmar:

Maybe if you can find a PAL version of the PSOne display you can hack it up

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Tuju:

mmm, I think there are some readymade displays for this

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Tuju:

I actually have one 7" display but it doesn't have PAL

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Tuju:

or composite, that is

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Netmonger:

Hi All... Can anyone tell me how to upgrade from kernel ver 2.6.17 to 2.6.18 ???

[19:54:25]

Torg:

compile it?

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Netmonger:

yeah yeah... emerge, etc...

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quicksilver:

apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18

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quicksilver:

job done

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quicksilver:

:P

[19:54:58]

Netmonger:

Sorry... I guess I should say I'm running gentoo ?

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Tuju:

That helps yep :)

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Dagmar:

This is something you should be asking in #Gentoo

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fryfrog:

Netmonger: you'll need to compile the 2.6.18 kernel, modify your grub.conf file and reboot

[19:56:58]

fryfrog:

Netmonger: and its *definatly* something you want to deal with other gentoo users :)

[19:57:17]

Netmonger:

okay... thanks fryfrog

[19:57:22]

fryfrog:

Netmonger: also, it'd be very similar to when you compiled your kernel for the gentoo install, if that provides any help

[19:57:40]

fryfrog:

don't nuke your old kernel from the drive *or* your grub.conf file, just in case ;)

[19:57:48]

Netmonger:

yeah... This is a new build and I'm obviously new to the whole thing... But I like it so far.

[19:58:01]

Netmonger:

Thanks!

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Torg:

ftp down the src from kernel.org, put it in /usr/src/, link /usr/src/linux to whatever you untared the source to, cd to that dr, make dep, make clean, make config, make bzImage

[19:59:45]

Torg:

I dont know if make install will update grub for you like it does in RH, but at that poing you will have a new kernel

[20:00:34]

Torg:

if you told it to make a modular kernel you need to make modules too

[20:01:09]

Torg:

theres only about 500 pages on the Internet to explain the compile process, try google

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Richard__:

"removing bad characters: 'ufffd' at /usr/bin/tv_grab_fi line 327"

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quicksilver:

'ufffd' is the sound a listings script makes when it sees a really grab TV program.

[20:05:33]

quicksilver:

s/grab/crap/ rather

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Richard__:

so... bad signal?

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fryfrog:

ls

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fryfrog:

oops

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Richard__:

a crap tv program?

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Richard__:

like... big brother?

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Richard__:

a bucketload of "ignomer empty timestamp"

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Richard__:

*ignore

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i10neorg:

What font does the default theme menus use and where is it looking for it?

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kal:

hi there

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i10neorg:

I have an installation where all text is displayed properly (watching tv, guide, previously recorded, question forms, ...), but the labels to the different sections are missing (watch tv, previously recorded, info, setup, etc.)

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i10neorg:

But just the labels are missing on those menus. Icons and all other text are fine.

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kal:

does anybody know what means that kind of errors : http://rafb.net/paste/results/au7cUr92.html

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kal:

mysql is started, mythbackend too

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psofa:

can anyone give me some hints with the myth protocol?after i do ann filetransfer do i get the recording blocks via another socket? or im using the same connection?

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Torg:

means your mysql.txt file is wrong

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Torg:

that or your access is wrong

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kal:

where can i find this file ?

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kal:

its along time now that my database is setup

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Torg:

in the users .mythtv directory

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kal:

ok

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kal:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/n0YgKk98.html

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kal:

here it is

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kal:

i dont see what is wrong :/

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kal:

the hostname ip is the same as in my.cnf

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Torg:

is the ip address of your database 192.168.1.30?

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kal:

bind-address = 192.168.1.30

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kal:

yep as u can see there

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Dagmar:

Probably need to enable networking in the MySQL server

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Torg:

is it the ip address of the same box?

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kal:

off course

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Torg:

change it to 127.0.0.1

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kal:

Dagmar: what do u mean ?

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kal:

ok

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Torg:

also check to see if netowrking on your mysql is enabled

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kal:

how ?

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Torg:

paste your my.cnf

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kal:

ok

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kal:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/BCJVNn89.html

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Torg:

type netstat -an | grep 3306

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Torg:

does it tell you anything?

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kal:

kal@vdr ~ $ netstat -an | grep 3306

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kal:

tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN

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kal:

yep

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kal:

ive just changesd ip to 127.0.0.

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kal:

it doesnt work :/

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Torg:

type "mysql -u mythtv -p mythtv mythconverg"

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kal:

it show me the help

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kal:

because the command line is not correctly syntax

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kal:

kal@vdr ~ $ mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg

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kal:

Enter password:

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kal:

this work

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Torg:

yes sorry

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kal:

i have the mysql> prompt

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Torg:

giv it the password

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kal:

i did

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kal:

and its ok

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kal:

show tables;

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kal:

works

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Richard__:

my mythtv backend doesnt seem to be starting

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Torg:

ok kal, tyep use mysql, then select * from user where host='localhost'

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kal:

Torg: maybe because mythtv-setup use the wrong port for mysql ?

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Torg:

is there a user mythtv?

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Torg:

yes kal, thats next

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kal:

Torg: yes mythtv user exists

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Richard__:

started it up with sudo actually...

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Torg:

is the password 0476fc026afffe24

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kal:

no its 'mythtv'

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kal:

default password

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Torg:

in the user table that password in encrypted

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kal:

mysql> select * from mythtv where host='localhost';

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kal:

ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'mythconverg.mythtv' doesn't exist

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Torg:

if it has mythtv under the password for that row, the password is not mythtv

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Torg:

use mythtv;

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kal:

ok

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Torg:

err

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Torg:

use mysql;

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Torg:

sorry

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kal:

and after : select * from mythtv where host='localhost'; ?

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Torg:

and its select * from user

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kal:

ok

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Torg:

select * from user where host='localhost';

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kal:

| localhost | mythtv | *CC8F35F587CA5A556B4132C2407E556D92172FFC | N

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Torg:

what version of mysql are you running?

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kal:

vdr ~ # mysql --version

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kal:

mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.26, for pc-linux-gnu (i686) using readline 5.1

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Torg:

ok thats why the password is differnt

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kal:

im using gentoo

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Torg:

your using mysql, I dont care what platform its on

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kal:

hahaha :)

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xris:

anyone know of any cheap linux-compatible SATA cards? I don't need a $300–400 raid card.

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kal:

i just say it in case it can help you

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kal:

im sure its because mythbackend wants to connect to mysql on the wrong port

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kal:

or something like that

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FinnTux:

xris, promise cards work well

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FinnTux:

0000:05:01.0 Mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20318 (SATA150 TX4) (rev 02)

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Torg:

well there is no setting in the database where the database settings are stored (well not in the mythconverg table at least)

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FinnTux:

I have 4 disks connected to it

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Torg:

it would be a chiken and egg thing

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kal:

hm

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kal:

:(

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xris:

hmm, $50 isn't THAT bad...

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FinnTux:

I think there is 2 port models too

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Torg:

what does /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt say?

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xris:

FinnTux: need min of 4 ports

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kal:

file doesn't exist

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xris:

one of the drives in my pata array is going out, and it may be better to just replace the whole thing

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FinnTux:

ok

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Torg:

this is for your backend, right?

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kal:

its in : /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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FinnTux:

like I said mine has worked well so far

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kal:

lemme paste it

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xris:

FinnTux: you have the model number handy?

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kal:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/M8aol037.html

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FinnTux:

sorry no. tossed the package away and it is sitting inside my server

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FinnTux:

TX4 or something like that

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xris:

FinnTux: lspci :)

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kal:

Torg: maybe it comes from DBType=QMYSQL3

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FinnTux:

<FinnTux> 0000:05:01.0 Mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20318 (SATA150 TX4) (rev 02)

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FinnTux:

already pasted it :)

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xris:

ah, missed that. thx

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jason^:

i'm just trying to play videos, i don't want to use a video recorder/tuner etc, do i need to do anything special to disable the tuner or any other helpful hints? the video player seems like it wants a directory full of movies, i've got a bunch of tv shows, anything specific for that?

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kal:

Torg: maybe its because im using mysql 5 ?

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Dagmar:

Could be

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Dagmar:

Especially since it's still got a ways to go before it'll not freak out now and then

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kal:

ok im gonna downgrade to version 4

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null__:

Hi. Can I change the character set that is used for the EPG somewhere?

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null__:

I tried with different locales but still my special characters are looking strange. They work in mythweb though

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janneg:

null__: do you use DVB EIT? mythtv uses utf8

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Torg:

kal no it has nothing to do with the version of mysql you are using

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null__:

janneg: I'm grabbing with a custom grabber from an utf8 website

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kal:

Torg: too late, im compiling it :)

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janneg:

null__: do you declare the charset in the xml file

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null__:

janneg: the characters are displayed correctly in phpmyadmin and mythweb...

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null__:

janneg: I think so

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null__:

let me have a look

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null__:

That must be utf8, right?

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janneg:

probably yes, it must be in the encoding the file uses

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null__:

Hm ok

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null__:

How can I flush my epg data from the database?

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kal:

Torg: sorry to say that, but downgrade to mysql 4.X solved the problem :D

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Torg:

it should work under mysql5. I use 4 myself but have seen others who use 5

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kal:

well, it works and i dont need mysql 5

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kal:

so its okay

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kal:

thanks for everything

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Torg:

np

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kal:

good night all :)

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Tuju:

puuuh

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Tuju:

there were army trucks in hotel perimeter

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Tuju:

and lots of cops

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apaz:

hi, i've read on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual:Setting_Up that there are 3 methods to get my remot work under linux, one of this is keyboard emulation....... Does anybody know how to do?

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SavageOne:

guys

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SavageOne:

I'm learning about ripping here and I'm having trouble understanding why some of my rips to "perfect", that come in vob files, are skipping around when I play them

[22:08:25]

SavageOne:

it's almost as tho it's having trouble reading the file from the hard drive

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SavageOne:

I'm plaiyng the same vob from my laptop now

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SavageOne:

over samba nd it's fine

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SavageOne:

my dvdplayback is set for xine

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SavageOne:

is that wise

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SavageOne:

or should I be using the native player

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kash:

anyone use mytharchive?

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SavageOne:

what's it do?

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esandeen:

is there a way to make the mouse pointer appear in mythtvsetup?

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Torg:

whats what do? mytharchive?

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SavageOne:

torg: yeah

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SavageOne:

anyone know of a good tutorial for the transcode program

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SavageOne:

I want to be able to transcode my stuff after I rip it

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SavageOne:

and transcode recordings I have to divs

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SavageOne:

divx

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SavageOne:

someone told me there was an app that could monitor a directory and transcode anything in it

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SavageOne:

or something along those lines

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SavageOne:

I understand that transcode can do that but I have no idea how to use it and can't find a tutorial

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SavageOne:

all my searches are finding stuff for the tv recording and I"m talking about random video files I have in my collection

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xris:

SavageOne: nuvexport

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zero:

hi

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xris:

SavageOne: or are you talking about dvd stuff.. install mythtdvd, it'll do the ripping/transcoding for you

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Cybertoy:

hihi ... question ... trying to configure mythtv with skystar 2 card here... in mythtv-setup I cannot seem to keep the DiSEqC settings...

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Cybertoy:

anything I configure in there is not saved.

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Cybertoy:

anyone seen this before?

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zero:

excuse my bad english but i have a question about running mythtv with dbox as video source is there someone who could help me installing

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zero:

what about your database

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zero:

is it running probably

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Cybertoy:

to my knowledge it is.

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Cybertoy:

everything else is working... like music and video files

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SavageOne:

xris: I am using the dvd ripper, the rip/transcode deal

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Ediehow:

for some reason, my mythpowerbutton.sh doesn't work anymore

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xris:

SavageOne: then why rip it a second time?

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zero:

i think i had the same problem since my database was running correctly

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SavageOne:

xris: if I rip to perfect, it does a vob file and it skipps when I play it

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Cybertoy:

zero, so you think it's the database?

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SavageOne:

xris: I want to encode files that weren't ripped also

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Cybertoy:

hmm...

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zero:

but i am really a noob

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xris:

zero: might also want to check #mythtv-de

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SavageOne:

but it'd be nice to be able to get them down to 700MB divx files

[22:27:58]

Ediehow:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/tips.php

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SavageOne:

and the ripper messes em up sometimes

[22:28:01]

Ediehow:

it's the same one off there

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SavageOne:

it's finicky

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Ediehow:

i don't get it, it just does nothing anymore

[22:28:14]

SavageOne:

also, if i choose iso, what's with it making a seperate iso of each "track"

[22:28:23]

SavageOne:

I figure if I choose iso, it's so I can get the entire disc in tact

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zero:

xris: thx :-)

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Ediehow:

xris: can you help?

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Ediehow:

why doesn't that script do anything anymore?

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xris:

Ediehow: sorry, no clue

[22:30:19]

Ediehow:

xris: do you use a remote?

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xris:

not often

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Ediehow:

do you use one to turn on myth or mythfrontend?

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xris:

nope

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SavageOne:

so, nuvexport

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SavageOne:

you recommend it?

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xris:

mythbox needs to stay on or it won't record. heh.

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xris:

SavageOne: I wrote it.

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xris:

it's only good for exporting tv recordings, though

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SavageOne:

fuck

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SavageOne:

hehe

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xris:

watch your language

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SavageOne:

xris: do you know of a magical app that does the directory monitoring deal

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SavageOne:

sorry man

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SavageOne:

;)

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SavageOne:

forgive me, I got a broken ankle

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xris:

directory monitoring?

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SavageOne:

yeah I heard there was something that'll actually watch a directory for non divx files and transcode them

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SavageOne:

I think it sounds a little like science fiction

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SavageOne:

or even a web based one

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SavageOne:

something my girlfriend can do know what I mean

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SavageOne:

looking on sourceforgbe

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SavageOne:

there's a nice xwindows app

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SavageOne:

but I'd like something php'd hehe

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quicksilver:

php would be a poor thing to do directory monitoring in

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quicksilver:

since it runs when a web page is requested, it doesn't run regularly

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quicksilver:

you just want to stick a script in cron, it's very easy

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SavageOne:

quick: no I mean something different

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SavageOne:

a web based transcoder

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SavageOne:

like a frontend for transcode

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quicksilver:

that wouldn't be a watcher then :)

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quicksilver:

'watcher' sounds like something that keeps watching

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SavageOne:

quick: I was talking about 2 different solutions

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quicksilver:

ah ok :)

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SavageOne:

1: something that watches the directory, and we can just pop the files in there and wammop

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quicksilver:

the watcher sounds much cleverer to me

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SavageOne:

2: another option, a web based transcoder

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SavageOne:

quick: me too heh

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SavageOne:

but I'm not a programmer

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SavageOne:

so ripping to excellent instead of perfect gives me an mpeg

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SavageOne:

how's it encoded

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SavageOne:

why can't I rip to divx in the rip/transcode

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irata:

Has anyone had problems with manual scheduling? There are a couple of mentions in the archives but no replies to them.

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SavageOne:

anyone use the aviManager from mythweb

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Torg:

manual scheduling as adverd to what, automtic?

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SavageOne:

trying to figure out what the default password is

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SavageOne:

dunno what it even does honestly

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irata:

trying to get Myth to manually schedule a program. It immediately says the recording is finished and never does anything.

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morten__:

what's the hotkey for bringing up the menu, where you can change how videos are listed etc?

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Torg:

"aviManager helps you manage your (large) movie (DVD, DivX) collection. It ships with an intelligent voting system for many users, and attempts to find the best movie to watch. There is also a nice IMdb grabber for fast movie adding."

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irata:

The normal program scheduler works fine.

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Cybertoy:

hmm... so I'm running a channel scan but I seem to get the same channels on every transponder :(

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Cybertoy:

one day this thing will work...

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kash:

is 3GB for SDTV a lot?

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janneg:

kash: per hour? mpeg2?

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kash:

i dunno

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kash:

total

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janneg:

kash: then nobody can answer your question. it's a lot for 30 minutes of program but not so much for 3 hours

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Gazo:

3 gig .. I would say no .. that's now a lot

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kash:

heh

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kash:

ok, another question

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kash:

i'm fast-forwarding thru a scene, and the left arrow isn't rewinding

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kash:

it's going forward

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Gazo:

If I remember correctly I think mpeg 2 is around 1.8 GB per hour ..

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kash:

what's a good way to minimise space and maximise quality

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kash:

use rtjpeg?

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kash:

where is a glossary on those icons at the bottom of the 'watch recording' screen

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janneg:

Gazo: depends on the bitrate. I have DVB recordings from 1G/h to 3G/h

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janneg:

kash: 'F1'

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kash:

thanks

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kash:

how about that fast-forward thing though

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D-side:

meh. dmraid in gentoo blows.

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D-side:

no, dmraid blows period. i can't blame gentoo.

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D-side:

time to kill nvraid and just lvm this thing up

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kash:

i wish freebsd ran as a mythtv backend

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kash:

otherwise i'd tell you to use that and it's ccd driver

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D-side:

i'm not overly torn up over it being a pain in the ass

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tormen0815:

Hi. I would like to report a mytharchive bug, but I can't, because the newticket website on svn.mythtv.org reports: Internal Error / Rejecting spam: LED ?!

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Gazo:

ya you spammer !! :P

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tormen0815:

No spammer but bug-reporter...

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Gazo:

svn.mythtv.org only accepts thank-yous'

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tormen0815:

(completly human, completly trustworthy)

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tormen0815:

;-)

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tormen0815:

but...

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