| Friday, November 24th, 2006, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:17] | jstew: | thats because the encoder is better maybe? |
| [00:00:34] | emes: | so why can't we use the encoder? :P |
| [00:00:52] | jstew: | ask apple. |
| [00:01:07] | Saviq: | jstew: I'd say we don't have the same source quality |
| [00:01:21] | jstew: | could be that too saviq |
| [00:01:23] | stuarta: | that's very true. |
| [00:01:40] | stuarta: | i use the same profile for mpeg2->mpeg4 |
| [00:01:55] | stuarta: | SD coverts look crap, HD converts look great... |
| [00:02:11] | jstew: | I'd say the itunes shows are probably converted from raw format. |
| [00:02:43] | jstew: | you already lost alot of info if the source is mpeg2 |
| [00:03:01] | Saviq: | maybe not raw... but definitely HD |
| [00:03:11] | Saviq: | "a lot"? |
| [00:03:30] | Saviq: | that's nice to say ;] |
| [00:05:36] | jstew: | lol |
| [00:06:41] | jstew: | Heh, I still remember when mpeg2 was the bomb |
| [00:06:51] | Saviq: | sometimes when I look on some of the shit they're feeding us.... |
| [00:07:16] | Saviq: | especially on a pc screen with dvb card |
| [00:07:25] | Saviq: | it's soooo shitty |
| [00:07:30] | jstew: | I cant believe that digital cable co's tell us the mpeg2 picture is better than analog. |
| [00:07:37] | jstew: | Thats a crock right there |
| [00:07:40] | Saviq: | artifacts the size of a football field |
| [00:07:47] | Saviq: | it is better – for them ;] |
| [00:07:58] | Saviq: | cheaper |
| [00:08:14] | jstew: | yeah... they just cram in all they can until customers complain |
| [00:08:24] | jstew: | especially dish network. the locals are TERRIBLE |
| [00:08:36] | jstew: | the bitrate is so low it looks like mpeg1 |
| [00:08:46] | psofa: | jstew, theres something worse-> the lcd shit which has taken hold of the market |
| [00:08:51] | Saviq: | on the other side – it _can_ be better |
| [00:08:54] | Saviq: | but that would be – again – more expensive ;] |
| [00:08:54] | Saviq: | and further ;] |
| [00:09:00] | Saviq: | true again |
| [00:09:23] | Saviq: | just bought a pc monitor – good old Dell's trinitron |
| [00:09:33] | Saviq: | just bought a tv – good old crt |
| [00:09:49] | Saviq: | at quarter the price |
| [00:09:54] | jstew: | I like LCD... for the space saving that is |
| [00:09:55] | Saviq: | or better |
| [00:10:07] | Saviq: | that's the only advantage |
| [00:10:17] | jstew: | you can get a CRT hdtv for relatively cheap |
| [00:10:25] | psofa: | not really |
| [00:10:30] | psofa: | at least in europe |
| [00:10:40] | jstew: | they are cheaper in the states |
| [00:10:45] | psofa: | the only true hd crt i can see is the samsung one |
| [00:10:55] | psofa: | which is notorious for the geo problems |
| [00:10:56] | Saviq: | psofa: have You seen the new samsung |
| [00:11:05] | psofa: | psofa, not really |
| [00:11:08] | psofa: | err |
| [00:11:09] | psofa: | :P |
| [00:11:12] | Saviq: | zonk |
| [00:11:14] | Saviq: | ;] |
| [00:11:25] | psofa: | its not available where i live |
| [00:11:32] | jstew: | whats wrong with LCD in general? reliability? picure quality? |
| [00:11:33] | psofa: | so ill have to order it |
| [00:11:42] | jstew: | I'm thinking about buying one |
| [00:11:43] | psofa: | jstew, picture quality |
| [00:11:46] | psofa: | and ghosting |
| [00:11:51] | Saviq: | jstew: picture, mostly |
| [00:11:57] | Saviq: | it's as shitty as it can get |
| [00:12:09] | psofa: | err colors to be exact |
| [00:12:23] | Saviq: | psofa: a question... is the telly really hd? |
| [00:12:24] | jstew: | Only for the fact I do not have to deinterlace since the TV-out almost always screws up the field order of the tv signal |
| [00:12:32] | Saviq: | 'cause i just don't buy it... |
| [00:12:36] | psofa: | Saviq, so they say |
| [00:12:44] | psofa: | it has the hd ready mark on it |
| [00:12:48] | psofa: | err |
| [00:12:51] | psofa: | not hd ready |
| [00:12:57] | psofa: | "hd" |
| [00:13:01] | Saviq: | apart from that it's 4:3 |
| [00:13:01] | Saviq: | it can't |
| [00:13:08] | Saviq: | hd ready is _always_ 16:9 |
| [00:13:09] | psofa: | Saviq, huh? |
| [00:13:25] | Saviq: | maybe we're not talking about the same one ;] |
| [00:13:27] | psofa: | the samsung slimfit crts are 16:9 |
| [00:13:31] | Saviq: | SAMSUNG CW 29Z408 PQ |
| [00:13:38] | Saviq: | it's 4:3 |
| [00:13:45] | psofa: | lol i dint remember the product code |
| [00:13:51] | psofa: | but its definatelly 16:9 |
| [00:15:20] | Saviq: | and I like it this way ;] |
| [00:15:28] | Saviq: | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/03/13/samsung_hd_ready_crt_tv/ |
| [00:15:28] | Saviq: | this one would prolly look good |
| [00:15:28] | Saviq: | the main problem of 16:9 is that most of the tv programs are 4:3 |
| [00:15:53] | Saviq: | and I don't like people's head cut off or making them xxxxl size ;] |
| [00:16:25] | Saviq: | so my opinion – decent 4:3 telly for everyday tv |
| [00:16:34] | Saviq: | and a good projector for movies and so |
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| [00:19:02] | Saviq: | yeah and we'll never know if it actually displays at least 720p |
| [00:19:15] | Saviq: | it's "compatible"... |
| [00:19:25] | Saviq: | with 720p/1080i |
| [00:19:40] | Saviq: | but if it has standard bulb – no use :| |
| [00:21:21] | Saviq: | hmm looks like it's 1366 x 768 |
| [00:22:56] | Saviq: | ok that's it... |
| [00:23:02] | Saviq: | time to sleep |
| [00:23:06] | Saviq: | cu guys |
| [00:24:26] | Saviq: | /here |
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| [00:46:35] | jadel: | I seem to be stuck during my ivtv driver install process, I have spent the better part of the past two days looking through their maillist archives and other online resources to no avail, can anyone here help if my cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg is still 0kb despite the fact the drivers appear to be loaded ok? xawtv is also blank :( |
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| [01:23:07] | siXy: | is it possible to run mythwelcome in windowed mode but leave the frontend set to fullscreen mode? |
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| [01:35:31] | kleptophobiac2: | does anybody have mythstreamtv? |
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| [02:10:19] | Mattwj2005: | everyone must be passed out from eating Turkey! :) |
| [02:10:27] | kleptophobiac2: | damn triptophan |
| [02:10:34] | Mattwj2005: | lol |
| [02:11:50] | Saviq: | it's thanksgiving, is it? |
| [02:12:41] | Saviq: | not on this side of the world it's not ;] |
| [02:12:50] | kleptophobiac2: | where's this side? |
| [02:13:17] | Feclar: | is resolution the same as 720p 1080i etc? |
| [02:14:16] | Saviq: | this side is Poland |
| [02:14:24] | Saviq: | Feclar: what? |
| [02:14:54] | Saviq: | 720p and 1080i are HD formats... connected to a resolution, but not only that |
| [02:15:02] | Mattwj2005: | I am in Minnesota US :) |
| [02:15:31] | Feclar: | well im seeing some HDTV's that have no 720p or 1080i listing |
| [02:16:13] | Mattwj2005: | it could be SDTV |
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| [02:16:48] | Saviq: | then they're not hdtvs |
| [02:17:10] | kslater: | lots of ads will only show 1080p |
| [02:17:24] | Saviq: | hd-ready means compatible with both of those and displaying _at least_ 720p |
| [02:17:43] | Saviq: | but if something displays 1080p, it definitely displays both of the other |
| [02:18:22] | Saviq: | ok I've already said that... but this time it's real |
| [02:18:24] | Saviq: | i'm going to sleep |
| [02:18:28] | Saviq: | it's past 3am here |
| [02:18:33] | Saviq: | cu guys |
| [02:18:52] | Feclar: | http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5359008 |
| [02:19:55] | infinity1: | i need something like that |
| [02:20:10] | infinity1: | well, if you get HD ..then you need a new card and more HD space |
| [02:20:15] | Saviq: | HD-Ready: Yes |
| [02:20:53] | Feclar: | so that means its 720p? |
| [02:20:57] | Saviq: | 1366x768 resolution |
| [02:21:31] | Saviq: | it can get inputs both 720p and 1080i |
| [02:21:36] | Saviq: | and display 720p |
| [02:21:36] | Saviq: | but not 1080i |
| [02:21:37] | Saviq: | it'll downscale it |
| [02:21:41] | Feclar: | im trying to decide between 5 tv's |
| [02:21:49] | Feclar: | all around the same price |
| [02:21:54] | Saviq: | and – upscale 720p into the weird res |
| [02:21:56] | Saviq: | ok... sleep |
| [02:22:05] | Saviq: | the other guys'll help You ;] |
| [02:22:11] | Feclar: | so that funky reso is bad then? |
| [02:22:14] | Feclar: | alot of them have that reso |
| [02:22:31] | Saviq: | oh yeah and Feclar: get a CRT screen |
| [02:22:36] | Saviq: | it's ten times better, ten times cheaper... |
| [02:22:38] | Feclar: | i want to wall mount it... |
| [02:23:00] | Saviq: | well get a thick wall |
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| [02:23:37] | Saviq: | nothing that a hammer can't handle ;] |
| [02:23:37] | Saviq: | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/03/13/samsung_hd_ready_crt_tv/ |
| [02:23:46] | Saviq: | something like this is good |
| [02:24:12] | Saviq: | and I'm reeeally going to sleep |
| [02:24:13] | Saviq: | bye |
| [02:30:29] | Feclar: | hmm how do you center text horizontally in open office? i know how to do it in excell.... |
| [02:31:06] | Feclar: | nm |
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| [03:04:54] | Feclar: | so a 1080i is a better picture then a 720p and can do 720p right? |
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| [03:22:29] | kslater: | yikes – major problems – I'm getting this error message on my main mythbox: Channel(/dev/video0) Error: SetInputAndFormat(1, ATSC) |
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| [03:24:05] | linux3: | can anyone help me with this error |
| [03:24:09] | linux3: | ... |
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| [03:24:31] | linux3: | mythbackendSession management error: Could not open network socket |
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| [03:34:36] | esandeen: | anyone use the kworld atsc 110 card? |
| [03:34:42] | ** esandeen ordered it and hopes it works :) ** | |
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| [03:40:35] | Loto: | <Feclar> so a 1080i is a better picture then a 720p and can do 720p right? |
| [03:40:46] | Loto: | well depends on what you value, 1080i has more resolution |
| [03:40:54] | Loto: | 720p is smoother (not interlaced) |
| [03:41:23] | Loto: | myself, I despise interlaced video and would take 720p over 1080i anyday |
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| [03:53:11] | kslater: | ok – if you have both an HD OTA tuner (slave) and an NTSC PVR-250 to DirecTV system, what do you set for capture type in mythtv-setup general settings |
| [03:53:26] | kslater: | ? |
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| [04:08:23] | trend: | hello |
| [04:08:36] | trend: | I am looking to get a good HD tuner card |
| [04:08:36] | fragged: | Hey, I'm hoping somebody can give me some advice, putting together a HTPC, ordering parts tomorrow morning, and at the moment I'm looking at a XpertVision GF6500, I just wanna know if the cards RCA, S-Video and HMDI outputs are up to scratch, and if its fully supported by Linux with little or no messing around |
| [04:08:41] | trend: | what is a good one? |
| [04:09:02] | fragged: | trend, its in the MythTV FAQ afaik :) |
| [04:09:13] | jstew: | I like the skystar air2pc card. |
| [04:09:21] | trend: | :) thanks, was looking as we speek |
| [04:09:30] | jstew: | I think it might be called comething else now |
| [04:09:44] | ** esandeen just ordered the kworld one and feels like he's playing russian rouillette (sp) :) ** | |
| [04:09:59] | jstew: | lol |
| [04:10:32] | esandeen: | but -IF- it works and -IF- I get my rebate it'll be like $32 :D |
| [04:10:33] | jstew: | nice thing about the skystars is that they use the dvb drivers. makes it reall easy |
| [04:15:42] | fragged: | can anyone answer my question |
| [04:20:17] | ** hjohnson ponders what case to get for his htpc.. ** | |
| [04:20:26] | hjohnson: | trying to find someone local who has it |
| [04:21:17] | siXy: | fragged, pretty much all moder geforce crads (except a few mobile ones) work wth no issues in linux. as for quality – as far as video out goes they are all pretty much the same |
| [04:22:26] | jstew: | most of the svideo out are equally shitty |
| [04:22:38] | esandeen: | is dvi->hdmi a good way to go? |
| [04:28:03] | siXy: | esandeen, yeah deiantely. digital displays, especially lcds suffer badly if you use analogue video |
| [04:28:28] | siXy: | plasmas are slightly more fogiving, but you should still use dvi/hdmi if at all possible |
| [04:29:14] | Feclar: | man i cant decide which HDTV to buy on blackfriday |
| [04:30:11] | ** esandeen read good reviews of toshiba lcds but sees none on sale ** | |
| [04:33:09] | siXy: | esandeen, the best lcd tvs at the minute are the phillips ambilight and the sony bravio tvs. nothing else comes close |
| [04:33:58] | siXy: | ahh that was meant for Feclar :) |
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| [04:38:18] | Feclar: | sixy, yea not looking for the best |
| [04:38:24] | Feclar: | im lookin for the best bang for your buck 8*) |
| [04:39:08] | siXy: | ah well thats a much more tricky question :) |
| [04:39:15] | Feclar: | http://www.blackfriday.info/category/televisi . . . y-deals.html |
| [04:39:36] | siXy: | i dont deal so much with the cheaper end of the market, but some of the samsungs are quite highly regarded |
| [04:39:37] | Feclar: | looking for around 600$, keep hearing some stuff about ATI vid processors being horrid thou |
| [04:39:39] | Feclar: | so concerned. |
| [04:40:36] | siXy: | what size do you want? |
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| [04:41:36] | ** hjohnson looks at logic supply ** | |
| [04:42:02] | esandeen: | Feclar, i saw a 26" toshiba monitor-only for $600 @newegg |
| [04:42:09] | esandeen: | siXy, thanks I'll look into those too :) |
| [04:42:28] | hjohnson: | costo had a 32" HDTV LCD, with HDMI and D-Sub inputs for like $1300 |
| [04:42:31] | hjohnson: | I was tempted |
| [04:43:48] | esandeen: | neweg has 32" toshiba w/ same inputs for $999... $800 if no tuner |
| [04:44:00] | Feclar: | http://www.bargainshare.com/index.php?s=7ed3f . . . wtopic=92207 |
| [04:44:03] | Feclar: | 32" |
| [04:44:13] | Feclar: | i see a bunch for around 600$ |
| [04:44:32] | Feclar: | most are 720p |
| [04:44:53] | esandeen: | youch the phillips ain't cheap :) |
| [04:45:55] | Feclar: | im gona go see compusa, they supposedly have a 9pm 3hour sale. |
| [04:45:56] | Feclar: | brb |
| [04:49:04] | anxt: | is there still modeline foolishness with the new displays? |
| [04:49:11] | anxt: | i fought with my tv for a week |
| [04:49:16] | anxt: | to get it to work. |
| [04:49:30] | anxt: | my configuration shouldn't even work but does |
| [04:52:19] | hjohnson: | Feclar: this was 1080i |
| [04:52:25] | hjohnson: | er 1080p or whatever |
| [04:53:24] | hjohnson: | those are also canadian dollars |
| [04:56:00] | hjohnson: | the Morex Cubid 3688 case is pretty nifty |
| [04:58:06] | frankrizzo: | once I used the dvi to hdmi cable I had almost no config problems with the video |
| [04:59:07] | hjohnson: | ok, I need to start packing.. |
| [05:00:00] | hjohnson: | but I have to pack for the height of summer, and depth of winter |
| [05:00:05] | hjohnson: | all on one buisness trip |
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| [05:03:36] | kleptophobiac2: | anyone have a copy of mythstreamtv10? |
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| [05:26:45] | eille-la: | hi, how to make mythtv not record automaticly everything i watch on TV? |
| [05:26:58] | Anduin: | eille-la: You don't, they are first to auto-expire though |
| [05:28:23] | eille-la: | i keep getting this error on specific channels: |
| [05:28:30] | eille-la: | 2006-11–24 00:27:53.824 RingBuf(/mnt/250/2/myth/1124_20061124002747.mpg): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/mnt/250/2/myth/1124_20061124002747.mpg'. |
| [05:29:29] | Anduin: | eille-la: That usually means something failed, are you still running .19? |
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| [05:29:56] | eille-la: | 0.20.20061113–1 |
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| [05:34:40] | Anduin: | eille-la: Without seeing errors before that one it is impossible to say what is going on. |
| [05:34:42] | Feclar: | ok these blackfriday people are insane now, 3 years ago i showed up at best buy 3h bfo it opened and there was like 10ppl there |
| [05:34:57] | Feclar: | just drove by best buy, over 10h bfo it opens and there is over 60 ppl there, and i live in a small town |
| [05:35:21] | Anduin: | Small towns don't have best buys |
| [05:36:01] | Feclar: | those are tiny towns 8*) |
| [05:41:51] | robbins876: | Rapid City, South Dakota is small and it has a best buy |
| [05:51:01] | eille-la: | As of the 2000 census, the city had a total population of 62,626, and a 2005 estimate of 81,000 |
| [05:51:04] | eille-la: | not that small |
| [05:51:37] | eille-la: | we are 4000 here, and no best buy |
| [05:51:39] | eille-la: | yet* |
| [05:54:56] | Feclar: | well i was in charlotte, nc (500k+ppl) 3 yrs ago and they had 10ppl at the best buy 3h bfo it opened. |
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| [05:55:20] | Feclar: | in reno, nv now (120k ppl) and there was over 50 ppl outside bestbuy 10h bfo they open |
| [05:56:30] | Feclar: | and its 30degrees out, all the ppl were covered in multiblankets looked like eskimos |
| [05:56:36] | Feclar: | black friday is a waste now its insanity |
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| [05:59:05] | Feclar: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148136 150$ 500gig drives, so sexy |
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| [07:14:45] | linux3: | can anyone help me with mythtv sound |
| [07:14:51] | linux3: | i am getting feedback when recording |
| [07:15:00] | linux3: | it basically sounds good for the first 5 or so seconds |
| [07:15:08] | linux3: | then it keeps on looping and looping and sounds terrible |
| [07:15:19] | linux3: | i have tried everything including switching soundcards etc |
| [07:15:21] | linux3: | any ideas |
| [07:15:21] | linux3: | ? |
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| [07:20:51] | will: | sorry bout that |
| [07:20:58] | will: | did anyone respond to my question |
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| [07:21:10] | linux4: | yeah im linux3 |
| [07:26:07] | linux4: | how do i make it so that it doesn't use /dev/dsp under the capture card setup |
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| [08:24:14] | anxt: | haha my new gf is virgin lol |
| [08:26:52] | kirjava: | anyone here using a PCI-E vid card that has working s-video under linux? |
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| [09:36:26] | stillmotion: | hey guys |
| [09:37:08] | stillmotion: | I would like to know how I can get ubuntu to stop loading gnome, so I can automatically launch backend and front end |
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| [09:39:25] | Juski: | stillmotion: blasphemer!!!!!!!! |
| [09:39:37] | Juski: | (but I did that on my frontend) ;) |
| [09:40:04] | stillmotion: | sorry? |
| [09:40:12] | Juski: | remove gdm from the init process |
| [09:40:25] | stillmotion: | Where is the main init process file? |
| [09:40:28] | stillmotion: | init.d? |
| [09:40:47] | Juski: | sudo update-rc.d remove gdm default |
| [09:41:02] | Juski: | or you can use the sysv-init-conf util |
| [09:41:20] | Speedy2: | kirjava: I'm using an MSI nVidia 6200TC card. It has S-Video, it's PCI-e and it has XvMC support. |
| [09:41:20] | stillmotion: | then how would I be able to make the front end and backend start at boot up? |
| [09:42:03] | kirjava: | Speedy2: cool, what is XvMC? |
| [09:42:15] | Juski: | stillmotion: the backend should start using the standard backend init script the ubuntu packages provides |
| [09:43:02] | Juski: | kirjava: X video Motion Compensation. basically it helps take the load off your CPU decoding MPEG2 |
| [09:43:14] | Juski: | the/some load. YMMV |
| [09:43:25] | stillmotion: | the how would the front end start? |
| [09:43:59] | kirjava: | Juski: so the GPU has limited MPEG support? |
| [09:46:04] | Juski: | stillmotion: well first of all you need to add a line to rc.local to start X as the mythtv user. then in the mythtv user's .xinitrc, fire up a window manager in the background (e.g. evilwm & ) then start mythfrontend |
| [09:46:26] | Juski: | kirjava: it'll help decode mpeg2 is all I'm saying |
| [09:46:48] | stillmotion: | is there a guide for this Juski? |
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| [09:47:25] | Juski: | stillmotion: I'd give you details of my config if it was powered up, but it ain't |
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| [09:48:46] | Juski: | the line you put into rc.local is something _like_ su -c mythtv -e "/bin/bash -l startx" |
| [09:49:09] | Juski: | rc.local being the last part of the init process ;) |
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| [09:51:41] | stillmotion: | ok |
| [09:52:32] | Juski: | then in the mythtv users' .xinitrc file put |
| [09:52:40] | Juski: | windowmanager & |
| [09:52:47] | stillmotion: | so rc.local is /etc/rc.local? |
| [09:52:57] | Juski: | where windowmanager is the name of the window manager you chose & installed |
| [09:53:00] | Juski: | yeah |
| [09:53:14] | stillmotion: | can I find a more realiable guide? |
| [09:53:27] | stillmotion: | Not that I don't trust you, but I don't want to screw this up |
| [09:54:43] | Juski: | you can always go back to using gdm if need be, very easily |
| [09:54:48] | stillmotion: | ok |
| [09:55:22] | Juski: | look in the logs for this time last week :) |
| [09:55:30] | stillmotion: | so do I do the su -c mythtv -e "/bin/bash -l startx" before the exit 0? |
| [09:55:36] | Juski: | yeah |
| [09:56:09] | Juski: | search last friday's channel log for that string.. GreyFoxx gave it to me |
| [09:57:07] | qu0zl: | stillmotion, the ubuntu how-to on the wiki covers automatically launching mythtv from inittab if you want a guide. Almost the same as from rc.local just launched in a different location |
| [09:57:37] | Juski: | does it mention launching X & the frontend? |
| [09:57:44] | qu0zl: | yep |
| [09:57:54] | Juski: | missed it then |
| [09:57:56] | qu0zl: | it's just launched from init instead of rc.local, all the rest is the same |
| [09:57:57] | Juski: | arse |
| [09:58:09] | stillmotion: | I tried that one, it just dosen't work for me |
| [09:58:36] | qu0zl: | how so? I use that approach stillmotion |
| [09:59:09] | stillmotion: | I did the myth:2:respawn:/bin/su – mythtv -c "/usr/bin/startx" |
| [09:59:14] | stillmotion: | nothing happend |
| [09:59:23] | qu0zl: | did you restart init? |
| [09:59:30] | qu0zl: | or reboot? |
| [09:59:42] | Juski: | heh |
| [10:00:07] | Juski: | yeah that was the line. damn memory of mine. su – mythtv -c "/foobar/doodoo etc" |
| [10:01:20] | stillmotion: | I rebooted |
| [10:01:56] | stillmotion: | but, is the .xinitrc by default supposed to be blank? |
| [10:02:12] | qu0zl: | ahh Juski, no wonder. That informaiton is in the 'Ubuntu Dapper install guide' not in the 'Ubuntu install guide' on the wiki. The dapper one is much better, and it's not really dapper specific tbh |
| [10:02:29] | qu0zl: | stillmotion, the guide tells you what to put in it. It'll be empty usually until you put something ini t |
| [10:02:32] | qu0zl: | in it, even |
| [10:02:37] | stillmotion: | ok |
| [10:06:39] | stillmotion: | but how do I tell it to start a window manager? |
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| [10:09:44] | stillmotion: | and I can't find the sysv-init-conf |
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| [10:12:06] | Saviq: | lo all |
| [10:12:10] | stillmotion: | WAIT, how do I find the gdm startup process? |
| [10:12:29] | stillmotion: | and how do I kill it? |
| [10:13:09] | Saviq: | you can always chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm |
| [10:13:16] | qu0zl: | remove gdm from the startup directories. use update-rc.d |
| [10:13:35] | Saviq: | so it won't run at all :) |
| [10:13:35] | qu0zl: | and the guide tells you how to start a window manager stillmotion |
| [10:13:45] | Saviq: | or that – probably better way |
| [10:14:16] | qu0zl: | you put it in your mythtv .xinitrc if you're launching X as mythtv user |
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| [10:15:23] | bjornelo: | how do i go about testing the signal strength on my cable? |
| [10:15:49] | Juski: | bjornelo: with an RF signal strength meter of course |
| [10:16:25] | qu0zl: | stillmotion, if you're using edgy eft be careful because they replaced init with upstart. so it will ignore the inittab entry for your mythtv. you need to put it in/etc/event.d/ttyN |
| [10:16:36] | qu0zl: | if you're on dapper or earlier, you use inittab like the guide says |
| [10:16:38] | stillmotion: | I am using dapper |
| [10:16:40] | qu0zl: | grand so |
| [10:16:54] | stillmotion: | edgy is the worst distro ever |
| [10:16:59] | stillmotion: | very buggy |
| [10:16:59] | bjornelo: | is there no software way of doing it? |
| [10:17:08] | Juski: | diaper, wedgy.. they sure have some strange names :-P |
| [10:17:15] | qu0zl: | heh i like it :) my mythtv box is running it happily and my work desktop too now |
| [10:17:20] | qu0zl: | though i may be lucky |
| [10:17:56] | stillmotion: | hmm, let us see here |
| [10:18:07] | stillmotion: | update-rc.d right? |
| [10:19:17] | Juski: | sudo update-rc.d remove gdm |
| [10:19:47] | stillmotion: | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/remove: file does not exist |
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| [10:19:54] | qu0zl: | other way around stillmotion |
| [10:20:09] | stillmotion: | ok thanks |
| [10:20:14] | stillmotion: | should I restart then? |
| [10:20:30] | stillmotion: | I think I just did everything right |
| [10:20:57] | stillmotion: | here we go! |
| [10:20:57] | qu0zl: | so give it a go, see if it works, if it doesn't then try and fix it. If you can't then ask for help. I've got faith in you :) |
| [10:20:59] | qu0zl: | gl |
| [10:21:13] | stillmotion: | lol, thanks for the faith |
| [10:21:17] | qu0zl: | ;) |
| [10:21:57] | stillmotion: | It just went through the rc.local on reboot, and did some funny screen, so I think it is working |
| [10:22:01] | stillmotion: | we will see |
| [10:22:07] | Saviq: | yeah i'm even running feisty... and apart from getting init back, 'cause upstart went rather down, all's well |
| [10:22:27] | qu0zl: | feisty fox? i didn't know that was available for testing yet |
| [10:22:33] | stillmotion: | feisty: brave soul |
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| [10:22:41] | stillmotion: | qu0zl: feisty forn |
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| [10:22:52] | qu0zl: | ahhh, whats a forn? |
| [10:23:10] | qu0zl: | ahh fawn, |
| [10:23:13] | stillmotion: | Narnia |
| [10:23:14] | stillmotion: | sorry |
| [10:23:27] | qu0zl: | well you were closer than my memory of feisty fox |
| [10:23:27] | stillmotion: | what! GDM still started up |
| [10:23:30] | Saviq: | lol |
| [10:24:02] | stillmotion: | I don't understand |
| [10:24:07] | stillmotion: | it should of worked |
| [10:24:37] | qu0zl: | time for a crash course in init. The directories /etc/rc?.d contain symlinks to scripts that are run when the init levels change. The ones with S are run when you go into a particular level and the ones with K when you leave it |
| [10:24:50] | qu0zl: | check there aren't any refering to gdm in there, update-rc.d gdm remove should have gotten rid of them |
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| [10:25:39] | Saviq: | Juski where were You? ;] |
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| [10:25:50] | Saviq: | too fast for a piss |
| [10:26:15] | stillmotion: | ok |
| [10:26:24] | Juski: | what? |
| [10:26:35] | Juski: | didn't know I'd even left |
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| [10:27:12] | Saviq: | (11:25:19) Juski [n=juski@spc2-salf1-0-0-cust442.bagu.broadband.ntl.com ] |
| [10:27:19] | stillmotion: | ok, I just fixed it with a -f |
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| [10:27:35] | Juski: | Saviq: your point being? |
| [10:27:39] | Saviq: | none ;] |
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| [10:28:00] | stillmotion: | now to give it another reboot |
| [10:28:15] | Saviq: | no need to reboot |
| [10:28:20] | stillmotion: | ? |
| [10:28:22] | Saviq: | just "init 1" and then "init 2" |
| [10:28:28] | Saviq: | or "init 5" |
| [10:28:38] | stillmotion: | sorry? |
| [10:28:42] | Saviq: | this will take you to runlevel 1 |
| [10:28:52] | stillmotion: | oh ok |
| [10:28:57] | Saviq: | and then back to 2nd – or 5th |
| [10:29:14] | stillmotion: | well, I just want to see what happends when it is going to boot up |
| [10:29:36] | stillmotion: | because I am making this machiene my livin room media center |
| [10:29:51] | Saviq: | the same that would happen when running init 2 |
| [10:29:52] | Saviq: | nevermind |
| [10:29:54] | stillmotion: | BANG! IT WORKS! |
| [10:29:59] | qu0zl: | cool |
| [10:30:06] | stillmotion: | it is |
| [10:30:17] | stillmotion: | very cool actually |
| [10:30:53] | stillmotion: | but why does it have to pre-scale the images everytime it loads? |
| [10:31:13] | Saviq: | it should only do this once |
| [10:31:18] | Saviq: | 'cause it's caching 'em |
| [10:31:33] | stillmotion: | once every boot up? |
| [10:31:43] | Saviq: | no |
| [10:31:45] | Saviq: | once at all |
| [10:31:47] | Saviq: | at least once it will last a long time |
| [10:32:01] | Saviq: | and after that – not so long again |
| [10:32:06] | stillmotion: | it does it everytime I boot it up |
| [10:32:25] | Saviq: | it should be first time every resolution change |
| [10:32:32] | Juski: | or theme change |
| [10:32:33] | stillmotion: | oh ok |
| [10:32:45] | Saviq: | of course |
| [10:32:45] | Juski: | and every time you scale the GUI |
| [10:33:16] | Juski: | though you can change the number of theme caches ;) |
| [10:33:26] | stillmotion: | well, Now I have to workout my backend problems |
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| [10:33:45] | stillmotion: | it says it isn't running |
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| [10:34:02] | stillmotion: | well, at least it can't find it |
| [10:34:10] | stillmotion: | but I don't think it is even running |
| [10:35:25] | Saviq: | /etc/init.d/mythbackend start? |
| [10:35:53] | stillmotion: | command not found |
| [10:36:35] | qu0zl: | did you do a svn install? they may not come with an init script |
| [10:36:46] | qu0zl: | if it was a deb/rpm it should |
| [10:37:11] | stillmotion: | no, I packaged it |
| [10:37:15] | qu0zl: | you can change the number of theme caches Juski? I've never seen it |
| [10:37:31] | stillmotion: | but then I replaced the script with that custom one on the guide for daper |
| [10:37:34] | stillmotion: | *dapper |
| [10:38:05] | qu0zl: | then why is '/etc/init.d/mythbackend start' saying command not found? Did you put it in the wrong location perhaps? Or does your package not install it to their automatically? |
| [10:38:21] | qu0zl: | there, even. Damn :) |
| [10:38:37] | stillmotion: | I cd into the folder, and it is there |
| [10:38:50] | stillmotion: | it is called mythtv-backend |
| [10:39:24] | qu0zl: | ok, have you used update-rc.d to add the init script to your init rc?.d directories? |
| [10:39:33] | stillmotion: | no |
| [10:39:35] | stillmotion: | that is probly why |
| [10:39:38] | qu0zl: | yep |
| [10:39:48] | stillmotion: | what is the command to add? |
| [10:39:54] | qu0zl: | man update-rc.d |
| [10:40:13] | qu0zl: | i better go do some work. gl with it stillmotion |
| [10:40:36] | stillmotion: | ok |
| [10:40:50] | Saviq: | stillmotion: chmod +x /etc/init.d/mythbackend |
| [10:41:02] | Saviq: | and yeah |
| [10:41:04] | Juski: | mythtv-backend on umunbgee |
| [10:41:20] | Saviq: | it should be mythtv-backend... |
| [10:41:22] | Saviq: | right |
| [10:41:32] | Saviq: | update-rc.d add default mythtv-backend |
| [10:41:34] | stillmotion: | ? |
| [10:42:08] | Saviq: | you've asked for the command |
| [10:42:13] | Saviq: | that's it |
| [10:42:21] | stillmotion: | oh |
| [10:42:21] | stillmotion: | sorry |
| [10:42:39] | stillmotion: | I did, update-rc.d mythtv-backend defaults |
| [10:43:14] | Saviq: | yeah that's probably even better ;] |
| [10:43:21] | Saviq: | damn something's wrong with my memory... |
| [10:43:29] | stillmotion: | lol |
| [10:43:30] | stillmotion: | nice |
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| [10:45:20] | stillmotion: | well, that didn't work |
| [10:46:43] | stillmotion: | this is the script I am trying to use http://parker1.co.uk/myth/mythtv-backend |
| [10:47:05] | Saviq: | meaning? |
| [10:47:10] | Saviq: | /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start |
| [10:47:39] | Saviq: | this will get the backend up and running |
| [10:47:57] | Saviq: | update-rc only made it into the rc.? dirs |
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| [10:49:59] | Saviq: | and if you've not changed the runlevel, it won't do anything |
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| [10:50:49] | stillmotion: | still saying command not found |
| [10:51:06] | stillmotion: | ls |
| [10:51:11] | Saviq: | does it have exec rights? |
| [10:51:11] | stillmotion: | sorry wrong window |
| [10:51:13] | Saviq: | ls -al myth* |
| [10:51:18] | stillmotion: | I will see |
| [10:51:22] | Saviq: | show us the output |
| [10:51:33] | stillmotion: | ah |
| [10:51:37] | stillmotion: | it just chmoded it |
| [10:51:40] | stillmotion: | worked |
| [10:51:55] | stillmotion: | stupid rights |
| [10:52:13] | Saviq: | not so stupid ;] |
| [10:52:36] | stillmotion: | well, in acuality no, but in noob talk, yes |
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| [10:56:09] | stillmotion: | well, I can take it from here |
| [10:56:10] | stillmotion: | thanks |
| [10:56:13] | stillmotion: | so much |
| [10:56:22] | stillmotion: | you guys are super helpful and friendly |
| [10:58:17] | Juski: | it's friday :) |
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| [11:00:21] | anxt: | stillmotion: thank God you didn't run into me, i am an asshole |
| [11:00:27] | anxt: | ;) |
| [11:00:55] | Saviq: | lol |
| [11:02:52] | Juski: | that's my line |
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| [11:17:23] | Smeven: | hi |
| [11:23:04] | Juski: | hey |
| [11:23:29] | Smeven: | i am building a new computer..... |
| [11:23:37] | Smeven: | but i just want it to be a Mythtv system |
| [11:23:53] | Smeven: | I was hoping some of you could help me decide on some hardware for it. |
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| [11:25:03] | Juski: | tricky territory, that |
| [11:25:22] | Smeven: | :-) |
| [11:25:24] | Saviq: | ;] |
| [11:25:46] | Smeven: | I have been looking around a bit |
| [11:26:04] | Smeven: | not sure what is good to gt |
| [11:26:06] | Smeven: | get* |
| [11:26:20] | Smeven: | Intel vs AMD, Nvidia? |
| [11:27:59] | Saviq: | amd, ati ;] |
| [11:28:29] | Smeven: | is ati a good choice? |
| [11:29:03] | qu0zl: | probably not, people seem to have more luck, more easily with nvidia |
| [11:29:25] | Smeven: | and for this type of processing, is it better to get an intel or amd? |
| [11:29:32] | Smeven: | I am leaning towards an amd |
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| [11:30:26] | qu0zl: | i dunno, both my frontends have been just SDTV so i've avoided the higher end cpus. I wanted passively cooled sdtv frontends |
| [11:30:35] | qu0zl: | so i used a via c3 and a pentium M in them |
| [11:30:51] | Smeven: | interesting |
| [11:31:11] | Smeven: | I was considering the 1st generation AMD Dual core. |
| [11:31:49] | qu0zl: | i don't know enough about them to advise, but i'd suggest making sure whatever you go for is reasonably energy effecient so you can cool it quietly |
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| [11:32:15] | Smeven: | yeah |
| [11:32:28] | qu0zl: | a nvidia fc5200 is pretty cheap btw, well supported and even has xvmc support. plus you can get passively cooled ones. Though if you've a big fan on your cpu that may not matter too much |
| [11:35:06] | Juski: | if you want a quiet & cool system avoid athlon xp |
| [11:37:15] | Saviq: | yeah well... my father got an Intel's P4 HT lately.... quite an oven... |
| [11:37:47] | Smeven: | hm |
| [11:39:27] | Saviq: | 'bout 55C not doing anything (I mean it – measured just after power on – in bios) |
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| [11:41:21] | qu0zl: | Saviq, i've noticed that in most bioses the measured temp rockets up really fast. There may be no sleeps and the cpu may be maxed out |
| [11:41:34] | qu0zl: | the cpus running temperature is usually actually lower in the OS than in the bios |
| [11:41:43] | qu0zl: | by miles sometimes, unless you're running cpu burn on the box |
| [11:41:55] | Saviq: | not in this case |
| [11:41:59] | qu0zl: | ahh well |
| [11:42:02] | Saviq: | in os >60C |
| [11:42:04] | qu0zl: | hehe |
| [11:42:25] | Saviq: | already using a biiig fan |
| [11:42:28] | Saviq: | and radiator |
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| [11:44:14] | Smeven: | Virtualization Technology Support: Yes |
| [11:44:22] | Smeven: | what does that mean in regards to a amd x2? |
| [11:45:39] | Saviq: | it means that You can use full virtualization (Xen) running two parallel OSes |
| [11:45:39] | Saviq: | or more |
| [11:45:46] | Smeven: | ah |
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| [11:48:58] | quicksilver: | it means you don't need custom xen kernels any more |
| [11:49:01] | quicksilver: | you can run plain kernels |
| [11:49:02] | quicksilver: | I think |
| [11:49:20] | Saviq: | no |
| [11:49:35] | Saviq: | it means that it supports full virtualization |
| [11:49:36] | Saviq: | not paravirtualization |
| [11:49:47] | quicksilver: | right |
| [11:49:54] | quicksilver: | but the effect is that you can run unmodified kernels, isn't it? |
| [11:49:58] | quicksilver: | (one of the effects is) |
| [11:50:02] | Saviq: | para- is like vmware – running one _inside_ another os |
| [11:50:31] | Saviq: | full – paralelly run several oses – using the same resources |
| [11:50:48] | Saviq: | quicksilver: not sure about that – there must me something that manages the resources |
| [11:51:12] | Saviq: | the cpu itself does not do this AFAIK |
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| [11:56:01] | Smeven: | i see a 1.8Ghz AMD Opteron.... |
| [11:56:14] | Smeven: | It is the slowest amd i can find on newegg.com |
| [11:56:17] | Smeven: | think that is too much? |
| [11:56:40] | qu0zl: | Smeven, will you be doing HDTV? |
| [11:56:48] | Smeven: | Considering it |
| [11:57:06] | qu0zl: | if you will, you'll need a fairly powerful cpu. |
| [11:57:12] | Smeven: | how powerful? |
| [11:57:22] | Juski: | > 2.5Ghz or so |
| [11:57:31] | Smeven: | damn |
| [11:57:56] | quicksilver: | although opterons are moderately powerful for their speed |
| [11:58:03] | quicksilver: | still it's not clear an opteron is the right build |
| [11:58:06] | quicksilver: | for a myth box |
| [11:58:19] | Smeven: | does intel's do better? |
| [11:58:37] | LLyric: | this core duo is supposed to be goo... |
| [11:58:39] | LLyric: | good |
| [11:58:44] | Saviq: | goo or good ;] |
| [11:58:48] | quicksilver: | Smeven: i just meant an opteron is a server chip |
| [11:58:57] | quicksilver: | might as well use an athlon X2 |
| [11:59:11] | quicksilver: | but yes, core duos have a slight edge over athlon X2s |
| [12:01:08] | Smeven: | ok |
| [12:04:10] | ** LLyric has an X2 3800+ – works fine ** | |
| [12:04:27] | Smeven: | doing HD? |
| [12:04:29] | ** quicksilver is going to buy an X2 ** | |
| [12:04:32] | LLyric: | Of course |
| [12:04:39] | quicksilver: | if I can work out the optimum time to buy before 939-based X2s go obsolete |
| [12:04:44] | LLyric: | It was the right cpu to buy, up until the duo came out |
| [12:07:20] | Smeven: | intel core 2 duo....1.86Ghz? |
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| [12:09:02] | Smeven: | is getting the core 2 neccessary? |
| [12:12:11] | pat_: | zip, flop, thud... |
| [12:13:47] | Smeven: | LLyric: what tuner are you using? |
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| [12:16:30] | LLyric: | Smeven: I was using a pvr-350 on my old machine, but now I'm using a Dvico Dual HD 2 |
| [12:17:05] | LLyric: | Or something like that. |
| [12:17:05] | Smeven: | any problems getting it to work in linux? |
| [12:17:07] | Saviq: | I have a question... is there a card that'd allow recording from hdmi input? |
| [12:17:34] | LLyric: | There was some issues originally, I had to get an up-to-date v4l, but recently it "just works" |
| [12:19:49] | Juski: | I wouldn't buy a pvr350 these days if I were you./ the old argument about its video quality compared to VGA card TV outputs is mostly redundant now. spend the money you save not buying a pvr350 on another tuner I reckon |
| [12:20:00] | LLyric: | Yeah |
| [12:20:22] | quicksilver: | I might guess that since the HDMI people love to think about piracy and DRM, there aren't HDMI recording PC cards. That would be 100% guesswork though. |
| [12:20:36] | Juski: | plus the fact it will never do HD, it doesn't have digital audio output... |
| [12:20:51] | LLyric: | I'll put the pvr350 in some machine – it's good for a low-powered machine, it can do record/playback at the same time with <10% cpu usagee, on 800mhz p3 |
| [12:20:58] | Juski: | quicksilver: there's that and the fact that HDMI is 5Gb/sec uncompressed. |
| [12:21:14] | quicksilver: | Juski: conceivably the card could compress it though :) |
| [12:21:16] | Smeven: | LLyric: what video card? |
| [12:21:30] | Juski: | you'd need a a fair bit of horsepower to compress _that_ though – hell! |
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| [12:21:40] | LLyric: | Smeven: in my new box, or the old one? |
| [12:21:44] | Smeven: | new |
| [12:21:49] | Juski: | anyway.. pub time! (yay!) |
| [12:21:52] | LLyric: | Uh, a nvidia 6600 something |
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| [12:25:39] | Smeven: | LLyric: does it require a lot of ram to do hd? |
| [12:26:06] | LLyric: | Smeven: I don't think so. My box has 2GB, and it never uses the second GB |
| [12:26:24] | LLyric: | total used free shared buffers cached |
| [12:26:24] | LLyric: | Mem: 2055528 855660 1199868 0 4604 230548 |
| [12:26:24] | LLyric: | -/+ buffers/cache: 620508 1435020 |
| [12:26:24] | LLyric: | Swap: 5111800 400 5111400 |
| [12:26:31] | Smeven: | ok |
| [12:26:38] | Smeven: | I will start with 1G |
| [12:26:39] | LLyric: | That's with an uptime of a couple of months |
| [12:29:26] | Smeven: | awesome |
| [12:33:34] | Smeven: | I think I got everything select, now for the video card. |
| [12:36:44] | LLyric: | The video card you mentioned in pm is fine |
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| [12:37:15] | LLyric: | Mine is: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600 GT] (rev a2) |
| [12:38:22] | qu0zl: | if you're not going to play games on it i'd get a passively cooled fx5200 personally |
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| [12:41:05] | Smeven: | in that case i woul dhave to get the pci card, because the board i chose doesnt have agp |
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| [12:45:06] | Smeven: | qu0zl: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814140027 |
| [12:45:16] | Smeven: | does that look like a better solution? |
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| [12:46:22] | qu0zl: | that's basically what I have in my pentium-m box Smeven. How are you connecting to your tv? |
| [12:46:34] | qu0zl: | i've a different brand name, that's about the only difference i can see |
| [12:46:39] | Smeven: | dvi to a projector |
| [12:46:42] | qu0zl: | cool |
| [12:50:29] | Smeven: | i think i have everything I need for now. |
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| [13:42:49] | Juski: | mmmm pub was nice |
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| [13:43:52] | ** stuarta gets envious of Juski's pub lunch ** | |
| [13:46:51] | Merlin83b: | Half of the other half's curry was lovely :) |
| [13:46:59] | Merlin83b: | She didn't finish it last night :) |
| [13:47:25] | ** stuarta had the canteen lunch ** | |
| [13:47:28] | Saviq: | foood? |
| [13:47:39] | stuarta: | mossaka & salad. |
| [13:47:39] | Saviq: | i knew I forgot to do something today... |
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| [14:08:24] | stuarta: | mailbox's now down to 1500 unread msgs.... more use of 'delete' required... |
| [14:12:46] | janneg: | 3820 unread messages but it is hopefully only spam |
| [14:13:02] | stuarta: | none of mine is spam :) |
| [14:14:47] | ** GreyFoxx loves mutt for handling lots of mail, especially mailing lists ** | |
| [14:14:54] | quicksilver: | I used to love mutt |
| [14:15:44] | fragged: | wee bittorrent disconnected everything off the net except IRC :D |
| [14:15:50] | quicksilver: | but ended up switching to something so I could click on attachments |
| [14:15:53] | GreyFoxx: | I have both mutt and thunderbird configured for my same imap accounts for the rare occasion someone sends me a graphical attachment |
| [14:16:21] | Juski: | well, time to go offsite |
| [14:16:28] | Juski: | early dart! |
| [14:16:46] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: Beautiful theme btw |
| [14:17:11] | GreyFoxx: | can't use it at home due to the 16:9 nature of it, but it looks great on the work mythbox which is 16:9 :) |
| [14:17:21] | stuarta: | I use a lot of mutt, thread delete is my favourite function |
| [14:17:39] | fragged: | once MythTV is setup correctly, is it as good as other media centre apps? it still seems to be in development to me : / |
| [14:17:40] | GreyFoxx: | stuarta: EXACTLY :) |
| [14:17:49] | stuarta: | :) |
| [14:17:55] | GreyFoxx: | CTRL-D, CTRL-D, CTRL-D, CTRL-D, CTRL-D, |
| [14:17:56] | GreyFoxx: | heheh |
| [14:18:03] | Saviq: | fragged: what isn't? |
| [14:18:11] | quicksilver: | yeah, I still use mutt occasionally for fast deleting :) |
| [14:18:11] | stuarta: | yup. only way to read -users |
| [14:18:33] | Juski: | cheers GreyFoxx. that's another vote for a 4:3 version I'll never use then :) |
| [14:18:35] | GreyFoxx: | frasgge: your question implies that others are actually good, and are not also in development :) |
| [14:19:11] | Saviq: | fragged: that's somehow self destructing, isn't it? ;] |
| [14:19:12] | GreyFoxx: | fragged: All software is a work in progress. releases are just someone saying "now looks ok to package" :) |
| [14:19:41] | fragged: | yeah, meh i'm rambling |
| [14:19:48] | fragged: | I need a hobby :( |
| [14:20:09] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [14:21:05] | Juski: | do a theme! |
| [14:21:14] | Saviq: | lol |
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| [14:22:24] | ** Juski wasn't joking. oh well ** | |
| [14:22:36] | Saviq: | I know you wasn't |
| [14:22:41] | Juski: | anyway.. laters all. off to do battle with the motorway |
| [14:22:50] | qu0zl: | cya Juski |
| [14:22:51] | qu0zl: | gl |
| [14:22:59] | Saviq: | cu |
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| [14:30:27] | psofa: | anyone around familiar with the alsa output code ?isnt it strange that 40ms period_time maps to 1920 bytes of period_size? |
| [14:30:55] | qu0zl: | no |
| [14:31:02] | qu0zl: | 1000/40 * 1920 = 48000 |
| [14:31:22] | psofa: | acording to my calculations 40ms time of 48khz rate 2 channels 16 bits per sample means 7680 bytes |
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| [14:33:28] | Dagmar: | I think you missed a two in there |
| [14:33:49] | Dagmar: | 48000 * .040 * 2 * 2 |
| [14:33:57] | Dagmar: | Two channels, two bytes per sample |
| [14:34:21] | AngryElf: | is it a known bug that 0.20 doesn't recognize the full set of channels and therefore doesn't tune them correctly? |
| [14:34:42] | stuarta: | how so |
| [14:35:33] | AngryElf: | i've got standard cable ~100 channels......the scan channels in mythtv-setup only recognizes about 15 and they dont all have content on them |
| [14:35:47] | AngryElf: | this is a 0.20 specific issue as 0.19 and R11622 work fine without any other modification |
| [14:36:42] | AngryElf: | if i load up mfe and try to tune to channel i know exists it usually produces static unless one of the ones the scanner recognized happens to have content on it |
| [14:37:56] | Dagmar: | Standard cable? |
| [14:38:01] | Dagmar: | as in cable-us? |
| [14:38:01] | janneg: | AngryElf: r11622 trunk or fixes? Are you speaking about analog cable? |
| [14:38:02] | AngryElf: | i know that i can tune by command-line, and i tried configing this as "external tuners" last time it ran into other problems as a result |
| [14:38:15] | AngryElf: | yea, analog cable |
| [14:38:19] | Dagmar: | You don't tune that |
| [14:38:30] | Dagmar: | It's on a set number of frequencies. You just set the frequency table and leave it at that |
| [14:38:46] | AngryElf: | ok, digital cable, sorry |
| [14:38:49] | Dagmar: | It gets the list of which ones are apparently useful based on your Zap2it settings in the programming data |
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| [14:41:10] | AngryElf: | either way, my setup is identical from the three versions i've tried and 0.20 is the only one to not work (11622 didn't work for me) so i think i'll move back to 0.19 unless anyone has any ideas |
| [14:41:30] | AngryElf: | **11622 didn't work for me for other reasons....not tuning |
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| [14:48:45] | AngryElf: | janneg, can i find that out from a txt file somewhere in the checkout? i downloaded it a long time ago and dont remember which it is |
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| [14:52:18] | janneg: | AngryElf: svn info |
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| [14:53:45] | AngryElf: | then its 11622 fixes |
| [14:53:49] | AngryElf: | janneg, ^^ |
| [15:00:57] | janneg: | AngryElf: what's the problem with r11622? |
| [15:01:24] | ** esandeen tries to decide if it's worth getting a built-in tuner if he goes the mythtv route ** | |
| [15:01:42] | AngryElf: | if i dont start watching recordings in-progress within a short period of time of them starting they'll crash after a FF/RWD of any kind |
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| [15:01:52] | AngryElf: | works fine for finished recordings |
| [15:01:54] | AngryElf: | very weird |
| [15:01:58] | AngryElf: | i submitted it |
| [15:03:07] | AngryElf: | er, no i didn't, i submitted somethin else :) |
| [15:03:21] | AngryElf: | i have no idea where to submit bugs in svn or if that's even an option |
| [15:09:46] | janneg: | AngryElf: the frontend crashes? |
| [15:10:12] | GreyFoxx: | AngryElf: svn.mythtv.org/trac |
| [15:10:33] | GreyFoxx: | with details on everything, how to reproduce if possible and even better a backtrace :) |
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| [15:50:53] | psofa: | qu0zl, im sorry i was away, what did you answer me about the audio output thing? |
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| [15:51:18] | Richard__: | my card cant scan for channles for some reason |
| [15:51:30] | Richard__: | works well in kaffeine though |
| [15:51:47] | qu0zl: | just that, 1000/40 * 1920 = 48000, i think either channel is treated seperately and i've only seen alsa deal with byte sized buffers not ints. But my experience with it is limited, just bug fixing linphones alsa support |
| [15:52:12] | Richard__: | ive tried using xmltv but that seems to be a bit broken for me (finnish, something to do with åäö perhaps) |
| [15:52:33] | qu0zl: | so it seems sane to my limited experience psofa |
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| [15:53:16] | |Torg|: | Richard I dont use xmltv but its been my experiance that problems with it are usualy due to the xmltv bidng out of date. Depending on country they can be updated quite frequently. Did you get the most corrent xmltv? |
| [15:53:37] | stuarta: | Richard__: have you tried using the scanner in mythtv-setup? |
| [15:53:51] | psofa: | <psofa> anyone around familiar with the alsa output code ?isnt it strange that 40ms period_time maps to 1920 bytes of period_size? |
| [15:53:56] | psofa: | <qu0zl> no |
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| [15:54:00] | psofa: | <qu0zl> 1000/40 * 1920 = 48000 |
| [15:54:17] | psofa: | what you are saying is that 40 msec maps to 1920 samples |
| [15:54:31] | psofa: | for one channel aonly |
| [15:54:52] | psofa: | but im talking about size of period_size in bytes |
| [15:54:57] | qu0zl: | i think it maps to 1920 bytes, even though it's 16 bit sound |
| [15:54:59] | qu0zl: | i know |
| [15:55:42] | Richard__: | stuarta, yes |
| [15:55:51] | Richard__: | it gives me an error message... |
| [15:55:57] | Richard__: | cant.. something... let me check :P |
| [15:56:02] | stuarta: | feel free to pastebin it |
| [15:56:12] | Richard__: | its really short, in the gui atleast |
| [15:56:17] | Richard__: | havent checked the console |
| [15:56:40] | stuarta: | Richard__: the output of mythtv-setup --verbose siparser,record,channel is useful to me |
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| [16:02:10] | psofa: | theres also something else..why isnt the alsaoutput using all sound device buffer space but pretends its only 4 fragments |
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| [16:04:49] | Richard__: | right |
| [16:05:27] | qu0zl: | psofa, what problem are you seeing? Are you also sure you're not over-running the sound cards buffer? If you do that alsa will basically pause until you drain the buffer or an equivalent |
| [16:05:56] | Richard__: | stuarta, DVB parser error is what i get in the gui |
| [16:05:58] | psofa: | qu0zl, yes im pretty sure |
| [16:06:09] | qu0zl: | i don't understand what you meant by "why isnt the alsaoutput using all sound device buffer space but pretends its only 4 fragments"? If you mean also is only writing 4 samples at a time to the buffer then that's not normal, but the controlling program tells alsa how much to write out at once |
| [16:06:09] | Richard__: | and in the console I get this: DVBTuning Error: Invalid symbol rate parameter '', aborting. |
| [16:06:34] | Richard__: | Ill do the whole verbose thing though |
| [16:06:35] | psofa: | because my waiting problems can be fixed with some simple changes in the time and size constants hardcoded in alsaoutput |
| [16:06:41] | stuarta: | Richard__: full scan or transport scan? |
| [16:06:47] | Richard__: | full scan |
| [16:06:58] | stuarta: | recent svn? |
| [16:07:13] | Richard__: | not really, edgy official packages |
| [16:07:19] | Richard__: | (ubuntu) |
| [16:07:19] | psofa: | Richard__, err sorry for sounding stupid but are you sure its the correct symbol rate? |
| [16:07:26] | psofa: | like 27500000 |
| [16:07:30] | stuarta: | hmmm, well doesn't include latest changes then... |
| [16:07:40] | stuarta: | which was my most likely suspect |
| [16:07:45] | Richard__: | hmm |
| [16:07:59] | Richard__: | psofa, no idea.... what you're talking about! :D |
| [16:08:09] | Richard__: | nah but I havent hcanged the symbol rate |
| [16:08:25] | Richard__: | stuarta, I wish I could be an svn ninja like you |
| [16:08:33] | stuarta: | psofa: if he's using full scan everything should be worked out by the driver |
| [16:08:44] | psofa: | stuarta, i never trust the driver :P |
| [16:08:56] | psofa: | i just put in all the correct values etc |
| [16:09:03] | janneg: | Richard__: do you use DVB-T, C or S? |
| [16:09:06] | Richard__: | C |
| [16:09:16] | Richard__: | HTV network... |
| [16:09:32] | Richard__: | but that probably doesnt matter |
| [16:09:32] | psofa: | stuarta, plus i didnt know symbol rate can be autodetected |
| [16:09:54] | psofa: | even the dvbutils require manual symbol rate to do a full scan |
| [16:10:01] | qu0zl: | what waiting problems? Psofa, is this the buffer underruns that occur with alsa sometimes? the pre-buffer pause stuff? |
| [16:10:05] | janneg: | psofa: you're right. Full scan works only for DVB-T |
| [16:10:26] | Richard__: | interesting |
| [16:10:45] | ** stuarta makes a note to do something about that ** | |
| [16:10:50] | psofa: | qu0zl, not sometimes only.I get constantly "waiting for space on card..." |
| [16:11:00] | janneg: | no, it works only the way stuarta asumed |
| [16:11:14] | ** Richard__ grabs some dinner ** | |
| [16:11:15] | janneg: | it is working |
| [16:11:20] | qu0zl: | oh i don't get that one, i get the opposite psofa. the card empties, sounds like you're getting the card isn't emptying fast enough |
| [16:11:39] | qu0zl: | don't suppose mythtv is outputting at 48khz and your card is 44.1khz? |
| [16:11:57] | psofa: | qu0zl, card is at 48khz |
| [16:12:10] | janneg: | Richard__: what settings did you use for the full scan? |
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| [16:12:28] | psofa: | qu0zl, alsa output seems to make many assumtions as to what it will get while negotiating the various parameters with alsa |
| [16:13:33] | psofa: | it requests 125000 period time but it gets something like 85000 |
| [16:13:51] | qu0zl: | 85333? |
| [16:14:02] | psofa: | dont really remember |
| [16:14:03] | psofa: | :P |
| [16:14:12] | psofa: | but its something starting with 85 |
| [16:14:13] | qu0zl: | i saw that mentioned once, that's the biggest period that will fit in a 4196 buffer |
| [16:14:22] | qu0zl: | which is a common size for a sound card buffer |
| [16:14:33] | qu0zl: | at 48khz |
| [16:14:54] | psofa: | well it seems my card can do max 85000 |
| [16:15:24] | qu0zl: | that probably means it has a 4096 byte buffer |
| [16:15:39] | qu0zl: | wonder why it assumes 125000 as many cards won't support that |
| [16:15:46] | qu0zl: | most lower end ones i'd have thought? |
| [16:15:56] | psofa: | qu0zl, because its hardcoded into it |
| [16:16:08] | qu0zl: | aye, but someone put it there :) i meant, i wonder why they assumed that |
| [16:16:14] | qu0zl: | maybe you should report that as a bug |
| [16:16:32] | janneg: | Richard__: 154000000 (frequency), 6900000 (symbol rate), qam128 (modulation) should work. If it finds some channels scan all known transports after it |
| [16:16:34] | psofa: | im reading the alsalib docs in case i fix it myself :P |
| [16:16:40] | qu0zl: | good man :) |
| [16:17:07] | psofa: | im so mad at it i want to fix it :P |
| [16:17:16] | psofa: | it wont beat me :D |
| [16:17:18] | stuarta: | go on!!! |
| [16:17:45] | GreyFoxx: | Hehe if you do find a fix that works before to pass it on, it might help others :) |
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| [16:17:57] | GreyFoxx: | s/before/ be sure |
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| [16:25:22] | Juski: | looks like there might be a 4:3 blootube theme after all, damn you ;) |
| [16:25:40] | Juski: | but you'll have to wait til after xmas |
| [16:25:44] | Juski: | nerrrr! |
| [16:25:58] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -v jams | |
| [16:26:28] | GreyFoxx: | yay :) |
| [16:27:10] | Juski: | on the drive home I was thinking about an OSD theme too so I'll do some tinkering when I have bootube-wide 1.0 out |
| [16:27:48] | stuarta: | Juski: tried Retro-OSD? I'm quite partial to it |
| [16:28:14] | Juski: | no I've never tried it because minimyth didn't include it |
| [16:28:27] | Juski: | and getting themes into the fs was a PITA |
| [16:28:29] | psofa: | yes Retro-OSD pwns |
| [16:28:33] | Juski: | now less so, but hey |
| [16:28:44] | Juski: | on bunty for the forseeable ;) |
| [16:29:33] | Juski: | my todo list is still looking crazy. something has to give |
| [16:31:08] | frankrizzo: | i am trying to do a yum install mythtv-suite |
| [16:31:28] | frankrizzo: | and it says "no match for argument: mythtv-suite Nothing ot do" |
| [16:31:38] | frankrizzo: | i am following the wilsonet guide |
| [16:31:46] | GreyFoxx: | I'm poking around in tv_play.cpp right now looking at the channel change stuff, but since it's 2–3 seconds max even on my remote frontend here in the office so it' |
| [16:31:49] | GreyFoxx: | s hard to see anything wrong |
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| [16:32:16] | Juski: | looks like this svn build is worky on my spare box |
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| [16:32:50] | Juski: | silly bunty |
| [16:33:46] | ** Juski googles EDID crap ** | |
| [16:35:48] | Juski: | oh fuck off. set ignore edid to 1, restarted gdm & it's still only 640x480 despite me not having 640x480 in the modes list |
| [16:36:46] | stuarta: | Juski: tried ctl-alt-'+' |
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| [16:38:39] | Juski: | need a monitor connected to sort this. |
| [16:39:54] | |Torg|: | Juski run X in terminal window with "X -verbose 6 > X.log 2>&1&" |
| [16:40:03] | stuarta: | eek |
| [16:40:08] | |Torg|: | then see what it probes for modes, what edid told it, etc |
| [16:40:25] | |Torg|: | I had to do that for my HDTV as EDID lies |
| [16:40:37] | Juski: | EDID can't lie when there's no monitor connected ;) |
| [16:40:46] | Juski: | or, can it?! |
| [16:41:03] | |Torg|: | witth no monitor you wont get EDID, so no it dosnt lie :) |
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| [16:43:00] | Juski: | I need some cables for my KVM switch |
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| [16:44:20] | lightspeedbiker: | How does one remove "unknown" channels for the Guide |
| [16:45:10] | |Torg|: | are the unknown because your grabber dosnt know what they are or are they unknown becase they are somehow not tunable (e.g encrypted) |
| [16:45:28] | |Torg|: | if alll you want to do is get rid of them remove the corresponding rows from the channels table |
| [16:45:50] | Juski: | careful of that! |
| [16:45:54] | lightspeedbiker: | Yea, I first ran grabber with everything checked |
| [16:46:06] | Juski: | if you delete a channel that myth was last tuned to there'll be some mysql-fu to do |
| [16:46:15] | lightspeedbiker: | Then I re-ran it with just the few I want, but still unknows |
| [16:46:42] | |Torg|: | what do you use for a grabber? |
| [16:47:08] | lightspeedbiker: | recall name like zapper |
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| [16:47:22] | |Torg|: | zap2it? ie datadirect? |
| [16:47:27] | lightspeedbiker: | yes |
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| [16:47:50] | |Torg|: | did you go into your subscrition and check only those channels you want? |
| [16:48:26] | lightspeedbiker: | yea, then i entered a command to refresh the sql, download the files |
| [16:49:11] | |Torg|: | ok what channels are listed as unknown? are they channels you had cheked in your subscrition? or are they chanels you can recive that DD dosnt know about? |
| [16:50:00] | frankrizzo: | I am having problems installing mythtv using wilsonet's guide, I did it before on Fedora 5, but now I am on Fedora 6. When I type yum -y install mythtv-suite, it says "nothing to do" |
| [16:50:20] | frankrizzo: | i added the atrpms and freshrpms to the repo thing |
| [16:50:32] | qu0zl: | frankrizzo, are you sure that's the correct package name? If you do yum search mythtv, does it say mythtv-suite? |
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| [16:51:12] | frankrizzo: | checking |
| [16:51:26] | lightspeedbiker: | Yes the unknown appear to be old channels I HAD checked but now I unchecked |
| [16:52:29] | |Torg|: | ok lightspeedbiker do what I told you to do before, that or rebuild your channels from scratch. If you do what I told you to by removing rows from the channel table pay attention to what Juski said and make sure the default channel and the currently tuned channel is not one of the ones your are deleting |
| [16:52:57] | |Torg|: | lightspeedbiker do you know how to delete rows from your channels table? |
| [16:53:17] | lightspeedbiker: | no I dont,,, thanks for help |
| [16:53:20] | frankrizzo: | hmm, i guess they dont have mythtv-suite anymore...thats what wilsonet's guide says for fedora 6 |
| [16:53:34] | frankrizzo: | or rather, to use mythtv-suite |
| [16:53:37] | |Torg|: | ok lightspeedbiker do you have mythweb installed and workgin? |
| [16:53:40] | frankrizzo: | guess I'll have to do them by hand |
| [16:54:07] | lightspeedbiker: | not yet but I have good guide and ready to do that step, Assume I do |
| [16:55:29] | |Torg|: | well you can del those rows one of three ways I know of: 1) connect to mysql command line, deterine the rows you want and issue sql statements (arguable the hardest), 2) use a frontend to the database (there are several for mysql), 3) use mythweb and its channels settings module to delete them |
| [16:56:36] | lightspeedbiker: | I saw a package called phpmyadmin that lets one use web tables not sql |
| [16:56:45] | |Torg|: | to make mythweb work, sinmply ensure you have a web server running, copy the mythweb directory in its entirety to the root web, modify ownership of the files and edit the .htaccess file with the security and db settings |
| [16:57:13] | lightspeedbiker: | It mentions installing php libs first,,,, php 4 or 5 does it matter 4 or 5 |
| [16:57:49] | |Torg|: | 4 or 5 matters on what php libs are on your box and what your web server is running (as it has a php module) |
| [16:58:02] | |Torg|: | you can get apache flavors with php already built in. What distro do you use? |
| [16:58:15] | lightspeedbiker: | I on Egdy |
| [16:58:29] | |Torg|: | do you have apache already installed by chance? |
| [16:58:38] | lightspeedbiker: | Have installed plugins yet, next step |
| [16:58:57] | |Torg|: | if you installed apache chances are it already installed php modules |
| [16:58:57] | lightspeedbiker: | No apache yet, guide says apache2 |
| [16:59:10] | Saviq: | apt-get install apache2 php5 |
| [16:59:11] | Saviq: | should do |
| [16:59:11] | Saviq: | apt-get install phpmyadmin |
| [16:59:27] | lightspeedbiker: | yea, i states apache2 will pick php4 |
| [17:00:08] | |Torg|: | it really makes no doffernce from apache1 or 2 but make sure if you pick on or the other you get eh common and mods for the proper server |
| [17:00:20] | lightspeedbiker: | One other question, I like to see the video in 1/4 screen window |
| [17:00:42] | |Torg|: | im realativly sure tho you cant use php4 with apache2 at least not without forcing it |
| [17:00:56] | lightspeedbiker: | Is there only one way to do this? I went into setup and changed default width 0 to 640 |
| [17:01:08] | |Torg|: | what do you use for a monitor? |
| [17:01:16] | lightspeedbiker: | and default height zero to 500 |
| [17:01:30] | GreyFoxx: | lightspeedbiker: You could do it via the commandline |
| [17:01:35] | GreyFoxx: | if it's a oneoff or something |
| [17:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | mythfrontend -O GuiWidth=X,GuiHeight=Y |
| [17:02:02] | lightspeedbiker: | I have Dell LCD 1280 by 1024 |
| [17:02:32] | lightspeedbiker: | sweet, like the command like, faster |
| [17:02:52] | GreyFoxx: | You can also just mythfrontend -geometry XxY |
| [17:03:04] | lightspeedbiker: | Does the CPU load vary on these window sizes....translation overhead? |
| [17:03:24] | GreyFoxx: | the work your video card has to do would vary |
| [17:03:25] | |Torg|: | yes, but probbaly not enough for you to notice, the load is on the X server |
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| [17:04:20] | lightspeedbiker: | I just install Edgy and Myth on Wed, took several hours, went very smooth |
| [17:04:34] | lightspeedbiker: | Another topic |
| [17:04:36] | |Torg|: | im glad it went well for you :) |
| [17:05:04] | lightspeedbiker: | I have older, 2 maybe 3 yrs old ATI card Edgy found ati drive runs great |
| [17:05:32] | lightspeedbiker: | Should upgrade driver, this seems to work, why change |
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| [17:05:54] | |Torg|: | I would say no, based upon your statement of "drive runs great" |
| [17:05:59] | |Torg|: | if it aint broke..... |
| [17:06:32] | lightspeedbiker: | what distro for you |
| [17:06:38] | |Torg|: | as long as it runs to your stasfaction there is no reason to upgrade your system |
| [17:06:53] | |Torg|: | me? I run debian sarge, I prefer to use stable releases |
| [17:07:07] | |Torg|: | but then again I complie myth from svn |
| [17:07:36] | lightspeedbiker: | can I email my mythtv log script to you, you may spot some issues |
| [17:07:52] | |Torg|: | suree but you can pastebin it just as easy |
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| [17:08:38] | lightspeedbiker: | Strange... I on my mac not my linux box |
| [17:09:08] | lightspeedbiker: | Haven't used IRC on linux box yet, what's the IRC client |
| [17:09:32] | |Torg|: | there are several, what kind/flagor/type do you prefer? |
| [17:10:09] | lightspeedbiker: | Don't know, your my very first IRC chat, just installed Snak |
| [17:10:27] | psofa: | hmm so the fragment size in alsa is the bytes transfered each period_time? or is the fragment size spltted into many period_sizes? |
| [17:10:37] | |Torg|: | xchat is a gui based, bitchx is console based (I prefer BX). I am using mirc now on one of my windows boxes |
| [17:10:52] | |Torg|: | so its mostly a matter of ease and what I have already set up |
| [17:11:37] | lightspeedbiker: | Let me scan my mythtv log and report back in a min on what I see in it, OK? |
| [17:11:59] | |Torg|: | ok use pastbin.ca to post it (pastebin is also in the topic of this channel) |
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| [17:15:07] | klikklak: | hi, I was wondering if I bought a technotrend dvb-c card which has composite tv out, would I be able to use it as a general tvout for my computer ? (ie. watch movies and not just telly) |
| [17:17:26] | lightspeedbiker: | ok Torgl, I log reports libGL warning claims 3D driver claims not to support visual ( some hex code) |
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| [17:17:52] | |Torg|: | lightspeedbiker it sounds as if the opengl libs dont work with your driver |
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| [17:18:14] | lightspeedbiker: | is that a problem for myth |
| [17:18:44] | lightspeedbiker: | Egdy using ati by default |
| [17:18:55] | |Torg|: | it can be, I dont use opengl myself and play back 1080I streams fine without it |
| [17:19:29] | |Torg|: | in your X config file, what is the xx under driver "xx" on your video card defenition? |
| [17:20:27] | |Torg|: | also what model is your ATI card? |
| [17:20:35] | lightspeedbiker: | Anther message in log states it " myth: could not connect to socket" "no such file or directory" |
| [17:21:02] | |Torg|: | that sounds like mysql is not running or its defined incorectly |
| [17:21:20] | |Torg|: | that or your X server can not be connected to |
| [17:21:25] | |Torg|: | where in the log did it say that? |
| [17:21:44] | lightspeedbiker: | ok Torgl driver code "ati" I recall it's a 3 yr old Radeon series 9200? guess |
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| [17:23:32] | |Torg|: | try apt-get install fglrx-driver |
| [17:23:43] | |Torg|: | thats the accell driver for ATI, its suposed to work with the 9200 |
| [17:23:50] | lightspeedbiker: | Place for socket error, just below Retro, then Qt painter, then error line |
| [17:23:57] | |Torg|: | I personaly use nvidia cards tho, so I do not know if it will work better or not |
| [17:24:08] | |Torg|: | as for yout socket error tho the driver has nothign to do with that |
| [17:24:33] | |Torg|: | lightspeedbiker take that log and paste it to pastbin please |
| [17:25:02] | nweaver916: | any ideas why pressing "i" in the video screen doesn't go and retrieve info for my ripped DVD's? |
| [17:25:04] | lightspeedbiker: | ... kinda new, pastbin |
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| [17:27:16] | nweaver916: | I am running Edgy Eft, all the Mythplugins, ripped a DVD to the drive, and It shows up fine, but it' just the title, no posters or other info. supposed to press "i" to get info on that downloaded, right? |
| [17:27:55] | |Torg|: | lightspeedbiker http://pastebin.ca/ |
| [17:29:42] | psofa: | 25fps for interlaced material is actually 50 interlaced frames per sec right? |
| [17:30:34] | lightspeedbiker: | Wow! didn't know about that sent it with lightspeedbike id |
| [17:30:51] | |Torg|: | lightspeedbiker what I need is the URL it gave you back :) |
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| [17:31:39] | |Torg|: | and psofa no 25fps is 25 frames pers seond, Ill assume you are talking about a PAL screen based upon fps. What you get is one full picture every 2 seconds, not every second |
| [17:31:50] | lightspeedbiker: | ok I'll get it |
| [17:32:33] | lightspeedbiker: | ok Torgl 832138 |
| [17:32:39] | |Torg|: | 50i is 25fbs, with 50 frames every 2 seconds, the i is for interlacing make the screen not jump |
| [17:33:36] | |Torg|: | lightspeedbiker are you sure about that id? |
| [17:33:57] | jk1joel: | Does MythVideo play DVDs? If instead of ripping DVDs, I just copy them (so all the menus and special features are there) will MythVideo be able to play them? |
| [17:34:05] | psofa: | |Torg|, i think we are saying the same thing but i cant express it correctly |
| [17:34:08] | |Torg|: | yes it plays dvds |
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| [17:35:16] | jk1joel: | |Torg|: so I can copy my whole DVD collection to disk (and I don't mean rip to divx) and have it accessible from MythVideo, menus and all? |
| [17:35:47] | |Torg|: | yes, that would be under the rip settings for perfect. It will simply copy teh vobs |
| [17:35:47] | lightspeedbiker: | ok Torgl, The only id I could find was pastebin.ca/832138 in MY address bar, it that it? |
| [17:36:02] | jk1joel: | |Torg|: thanks for the info |
| [17:36:22] | |Torg|: | yes lightspeedbiker 832138 is an invalid id, its why I asked if you had the id correct |
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| [17:37:33] | lightspeedbiker: | ok Torgl, I see a pick list with Recent Post, lightspeedbiker is in it too |
| [17:38:19] | nweaver916: | "press "i" and Myth TV will allow you to go the the Internet Movie database and retrieve information on your movie as well as matching Album Cover art" this doesn't work for me, any ideas? |
| [17:39:26] | lightspeedbiker: | ok Torgl, any luck getting the pastebin to show up? |
| [17:40:03] | |Torg|: | no pastebin ids are in the 256800 range right now, not anywhere near 832138 |
| [17:40:16] | |Torg|: | unless you pasted it somewhere else |
| [17:40:18] | lightspeedbiker: | I check |
| [17:43:50] | lightspeedbiker: | I see, try pastebin.com..... should be there on recent posts |
| [17:44:11] | lightspeedbiker: | There must be .com .ca maybe others |
| [17:44:24] | |Torg|: | :) yes ther are about 100 of them in fact |
| [17:46:55] | lightspeedbiker: | did you find it on .com? |
| [17:47:13] | |Torg|: | yes its just slow, what part did you want help with? |
| [17:47:40] | |Torg|: | the first ones, the 145 major op codes, its proabbly opengl (you really need to debug it to be sure) |
| [17:47:48] | lightspeedbiker: | Look at lines 29 for socket error |
| [17:47:50] | |Torg|: | the 3D driver is also having issues |
| [17:48:23] | |Torg|: | oh ignore the lines 30–32 for now, its pertainign to lircd |
| [17:48:31] | |Torg|: | ill take it you never set up lirc to use a remote |
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| [17:48:45] | |Torg|: | myth is simply saying can not connect to lircd, menaing your remote wont work |
| [17:48:53] | lightspeedbiker: | no remote as of yet |
| [17:49:19] | |Torg|: | a remove it not a required part to run myth, which is why I said ignore it for now |
| [17:50:39] | Simplton: | How do you change the channels on the satelite box through MythTV, right now I only have the current playing through my Hauppauge PVR-150 |
| [17:50:46] | lightspeedbiker: | other than opening error on input device 168, and socket errors seems |
| [17:51:05] | |Torg|: | the main problems I see in the log are the X error lines at the top, the libGl error, and the XvMCTex error |
| [17:51:15] | lightspeedbiker: | Thanks for help and first use of IRC |
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| [17:51:23] | |Torg|: | those errors indicate you are using a non accelrated probbly the stock, driver for your card |
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| [17:51:45] | |Torg|: | if you are watching SD transmissions and have a fairly deceint powered comptuer you can probbly ignore those |
| [17:51:54] | |Torg|: | if you want to watch HDTV you are going to have to fix them |
| [17:52:03] | lightspeedbiker: | yea, stock open driver, seems to work so far |
| [17:52:23] | |Torg|: | like I said before tho, opengl may or may not be used |
| [17:52:41] | lightspeedbiker: | ok on HDTV |
| [17:52:42] | |Torg|: | does yoru myth work? does it disply audio and video without stuttering and in synch? |
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| [17:53:23] | lightspeedbiker: | Yea, video appears fine, no stuttering on synch errors. Looks great |
| [17:53:42] | |Torg|: | then why are you trying to "fix" it :P |
| [17:55:21] | lightspeedbiker: | I thought having someone scan the logs would tell much more than I limit use not knowing if it's right |
| [17:56:14] | lightspeedbiker: | I going to install the plugins next and get the web part working |
| [17:56:17] | Simplton: | How do you change the channels on the satelite box through MythTV, right now I only have the current playing through my Hauppauge PVR-150 |
| [17:56:40] | |Torg|: | well lightspeedbiker what you can do is try the fglrx driver for your card |
| [17:56:42] | lightspeedbiker: | ok Torgl thanks again happy Thanksgiving |
| [17:56:55] | |Torg|: | np |
| [17:57:31] | |Torg|: | Simplton what you want is a device called an IR Blaster, it sends IR signals to STBs like that sat box |
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| [17:58:52] | Simplton: | |Torg|: Is that how most Myth Setups run? |
| [17:59:08] | Smeven: | hi |
| [17:59:24] | |Torg|: | Simplton I woouldt say "most" |
| [17:59:29] | GreyFoxx: | Simplton: If they require a settop box to access the stuff |
| [18:00:31] | Simplton: | Ok Thnx! |
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| [18:06:19] | Simplton: | Could the IR Blaster be used to receive remote commands as well as send commands from MythTV to the STB? |
| [18:07:20] | GreyFoxx: | I believe some of them allow that |
| [18:07:30] | Simplton: | kewl |
| [18:08:15] | |Torg|: | GreyFoxx where, an emitter and collector ir led are two distincly sperate deives |
| [18:08:47] | GreyFoxx: | |Torg|: Yes, but I'm positive I've seen posts about IR blasters that are both transmitter and receivers |
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| [18:10:19] | |Torg|: | id guess they were some sort of device with two parts to the circuit. A combined led/collector as a single compenent does not exists afaik |
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| [18:12:44] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.usbuirt.com/ |
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| [18:13:07] | Juski: | this new embedded playback box then.. can anybody tell me what the deal is with it? i.e. what it's about, how it's supposed to work.. ? |
| [18:14:03] | |Torg|: | thanks GreyFoxx I found that already (guess I shoudl have used google before I asked :P) however I was looking more for schematics on one (http://www.fukushima.us/UIRT2/) |
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| [18:17:00] | Paladine: | |Torg|, you will like this |
| [18:17:09] | Paladine: | http://users.livejournal.com/_paladine_/7968.html |
| [18:17:42] | GreyFoxx: | Cool, those schematics look like and interesting little project. I have no particular use for it, but might do it anwyay |
| [18:17:55] | |Torg|: | same here GreyFoxx |
| [18:18:42] | GreyFoxx: | It can go into my drawer of stuff I don't use along with my other homeade blasters and receivers heh |
| [18:19:01] | |Torg|: | god Paladine, maybe you shuld be an english major instead :P |
| [18:19:22] | Paladine: | hehehe |
| [18:19:50] | Juski: | woah a PIC & an rs232 level shifter! |
| [18:20:10] | |Torg|: | altho I would argue that teaching windows to univirsity students in IT would in fact be giving them a dgree to support a end user platform that they could just have easily gotten from a vocation school |
| [18:20:37] | Juski: | ooo you could convert that into a USB one very easily with a USB-serial converterizer ;) |
| [18:20:54] | |Torg|: | yes Juski im still looking for the PIC code tho |
| [18:21:33] | Paladine: | Torg, yeah I cover that in my explanation that universities are supposed to educate not train :) |
| [18:21:47] | Juski: | ugh it's only a hex file. you could disassemble it fairly easily though |
| [18:22:08] | Juski: | I plan to learn how to play with PICs one day |
| [18:22:21] | |Torg|: | yes Juski I would prefer an asm file, preferably with the developers comments |
| [18:22:32] | Juski: | doing IR remotes in PIC is a subject that's been covered plenty online too |
| [18:22:47] | |Torg|: | that or I could disasm the damn thing witha bunch of meaningless hex idenfifiers to the code |
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| [18:23:26] | |Torg|: | also if you did this with USB you would still need a way to use WOL fromt eh MB connection |
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| [18:24:40] | Juski: | |Torg|: true. though if you're more savvy you could make a USB enabled PIC look like a keyboard ;) |
| [18:25:46] | |Torg|: | yes that and ill assume if my wireless keybaord can do a remote wake from acpi sleep I could somehow code the usb pic to emulate the same with a certain ir sequence |
| [18:25:48] | r3m0t: | can anybody tell me how well the Nova-T 500 (inc IR blaster) works in mythtv? there's only one mailing list thread :( |
| [18:25:59] | Juski: | oh so this embedded playback thing is a 'jump to program' OSD feature then ? |
| [18:26:10] | |Torg|: | but like GreyFoxx I hav no use for one as I dont use a STB and have a wirelss keyboard. Still its a nice projec tot play with :) |
| [18:26:44] | Juski: | r3m0t: linux support is still new but as long as the drivers conform to the API it'll work fine – or at least _should_ |
| [18:26:47] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: I don't think I've actually seen that yet :) |
| [18:27:17] | Juski: | I may aswell test my new beta changes out then... |
| [18:27:47] | r3m0t: | Juski: I'm guessing it appears as two normal Nova-T s (a la PVR-500 = 2 * PVR-150) but I could be wrong |
| [18:28:36] | Juski: | r3m0t: it's two USB dvb-t tuners on a PCI card teamed up with a PCI-usb bridge chip |
| [18:28:39] | r3m0t: | seems it isn't supported under 2.6.19 |
| [18:29:01] | Juski: | r3m0t: see the v4l wiki & their mercurial driver repository |
| [18:29:31] | Juski: | failing that, wait & see if mkrufky shows up to lend a hand again, though I dunno if dvb tuners are his strong suit |
| [18:30:09] | Juski: | if I was in a bad ass mood I'd just suggest you dump the lame motherboard with its puny amount of PCI sockets & get a proper backend :-P |
| [18:30:43] | Juski: | but that'd hardly be fair since too damn many modern motherboards now host less than 3 pci sockets :( |
| [18:30:52] | opello: | Juski: dunno if you saw, but got the badges, thanks :) |
| [18:31:00] | Juski: | opello: no probs :) |
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| [18:31:32] | Juski: | someone bought the remainder & want to know when there's gonna be more.. I suspect they'd be selling em on, or putting them on systems they're selling |
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| [18:31:41] | r3m0t: | Juski: I have just two PCI sockets... hum hum. I suppose PCI Express is an entirely seperate thing? |
| [18:31:47] | Juski: | r3m0t: yup |
| [18:31:57] | opello: | Juski: ah, i got the 5 i did for me and a few friends :) |
| [18:32:12] | Juski: | and pci-e dvb-t tuners are rarer than women who admit they fart |
| [18:32:14] | opello: | didn't feel the need for 3 different shippings to the us :) |
| [18:32:27] | r3m0t: | *sigh* a name so deceiving. Juski: haha! |
| [18:32:29] | Juski: | opello: thanks for saving me the hassle :) |
| [18:32:36] | opello: | heh |
| [18:32:41] | |Torg|: | Juski tanks for the mental picture :P |
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| [18:33:36] | Juski: | oh man, I dunno what's up with this spare machine o mine. it's dog slow |
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| [18:33:54] | Juski: | I know it's only 800 piddly megahertz but ffs |
| [18:34:10] | |Torg|: | Juski look at a Terratec Cinergy 2400i DT |
| [18:34:19] | Juski: | |Torg|: that makes one |
| [18:34:33] | Juski: | and is it supported by a recent linux kernel hmm? |
| [18:34:34] | |Torg|: | hey I was just using google :P |
| [18:34:45] | |Torg|: | I dont use dvb-t so its not like I track the damn things |
| [18:35:18] | |Torg|: | and I didnt say buy one, I said look at it |
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| [18:39:27] | Juski: | yeah I know it's a DVB-T PCI-E tuner. dunno if there are any others |
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| [18:48:45] | Juski: | anybody know how to get myth to display a screen like this? http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/watchrecording2.png |
| [18:49:00] | Juski: | I can't figure out how to reproduce that to fix it |
| [18:49:37] | |Torg|: | do you mean what skin is it? or how to sort recordings by title? |
| [18:49:44] | kash: | use a monospace font |
| [18:50:14] | Juski: | no I mean the bit at the bottom – I never get that – just the whole show details |
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| [18:50:34] | Juski: | and at the risk of sounding totally anal, it's not a SKIN! ;) |
| [18:50:35] | |Torg|: | fontsize I would assume |
| [18:50:39] | Juski: | no |
| [18:50:42] | Juski: | not fontsize |
| [18:50:43] | kash: | you're not selecting a show, though |
| [18:50:45] | kash: | just a group |
| [18:50:52] | Juski: | riiight... |
| [18:51:01] | |Torg|: | you mean the "Keith..." part? |
| [18:51:05] | Juski: | I don't use group views/filters, never have |
| [18:51:09] | Juski: | the text at the bottom |
| [18:51:12] | |Torg|: | or the fact it dosnt show any show detail? |
| [18:51:13] | kash: | ok |
| [18:51:17] | robbins876: | I want to make something so that I can restart mythbackend with an icon on the desktop... how do I go about doing that? |
| [18:51:17] | kash: | open it in gimp and circle the part |
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| [18:51:29] | kash: | robbins876: what distro? |
| [18:51:33] | kash: | ubuntu? |
| [18:51:54] | robbins876: | kash: fedora |
| [18:52:04] | kash: | robbins876: i dunno about fedora's init scripts |
| [18:52:06] | |Torg|: | actually you need to know what gui manger he uses the distro dosnt matter |
| [18:52:08] | Juski: | the default view in ;watch recordings' that I get is one where a show is always selected & you see its details in the bottom section. that view isn't like that & I dunno how to get it to do that |
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| [18:52:24] | robbins876: | |Torg| I'm in KDE |
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| [18:52:52] | kash: | robbins876: create a new launcher with 'sudo service mythbackend restart' i guess |
| [18:53:19] | |Torg|: | robbins876 I belive its as simply as right clcinig the desktop and creating a new shortcut |
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| [18:53:32] | Juski: | ok uploading a highlighted part now :) |
| [18:53:38] | kash: | thanks Juski |
| [18:54:30] | Juski: | I'm trying to fix my new theme ;) |
| [18:55:02] | |Torg|: | Juski port blackbolts mc360 to myth :) |
| [18:55:11] | Juski: | what? |
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| [18:55:19] | Juski: | bah to blades! |
| [18:55:30] | kash: | http://forums.xbox-scene.com/lofiversion/index.php/t527356.html |
| [18:55:37] | Juski: | do it yerself.. it's not rocket science ;) |
| [18:55:40] | |Torg|: | you ported mayhem I thought to greyhem |
| [18:56:02] | |Torg|: | actaly it is Juski it would require a rewrite to get some fo teh gui hooks to work |
| [18:56:06] | Juski: | I didn't 'port' anything |
| [18:56:12] | |Torg|: | its not just a theme, its actualy a gui rewrite |
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| [18:56:24] | Juski: | I based the idea on mayhem ;) |
| [18:56:31] | kash: | i got a PS3 yesterday |
| [18:56:39] | kash: | and a 60" Plasma television |
| [18:56:58] | kash: | CompUSA had some niice sales |
| [18:57:01] | Juski: | you ARE JOKING about that skin.. you HAVE to be. |
| [18:57:25] | kash: | yeah, it's rubbish |
| [18:57:26] | kash: | bbs |
| [18:57:29] | Juski: | winamp 5k1nz have reached the xbox at last :) |
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| [18:58:18] | |Torg|: | yes Juski I was just seeing what you would say :) |
| [18:58:34] | Juski: | I'll rephrase that then.. I don't think for one minute I'd ever want to use a frontend that used a theme like that. No movitation to USE it – certainly none to make one |
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| [18:59:58] | |Torg|: | so kash, how long did you stand in line :) |
| [19:00:32] | Juski: | anyway I know I'm not king of the aesthetes, but that xbox skin blew chunks |
| [19:01:27] | Juski: | any thoughts on the screenshot with the highlight then? damned if I can reproduce it |
| [19:02:01] | |Torg|: | yes justki hit the right arrow and select one of the recordings |
| [19:03:09] | Juski: | and? |
| [19:03:43] | |Torg|: | and it will put the text of what that particular recodings deatil in the part you circled |
| [19:04:20] | Juski: | I know that. works great here :) |
| [19:04:48] | |Torg|: | and Juski this is what I use for my xbox (and what I was refering to) http://blackbolt.x-scene.com/?p=skins&cat=mc360 |
| [19:04:51] | |Torg|: | I dont skin it tho |
| [19:05:27] | Juski: | I'm all out of theme ideas for now. plus having three to maintain will be enough of a handful methinks |
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| [19:05:38] | |Torg|: | err i dont theme it, hell you get eh idea :) |
| [19:06:10] | Juski: | oh THAT. seen that. quite spiffy |
| [19:06:25] | |Torg|: | id love to put that same thing into mythtv |
| [19:06:32] | Juski: | haha |
| [19:06:41] | Juski: | you & the rest of the world & his dog |
| [19:06:46] | |Torg|: | but like I said it would require a rewite of the gui |
| [19:06:57] | kash: | where's the hilighted version of the screencap |
| [19:06:58] | kash: | :p |
| [19:07:06] | |Torg|: | hit reload kash :) |
| [19:08:15] | kash: | ah |
| [19:08:17] | kash: | yeah |
| [19:08:22] | kash: | i get show information on the first episode |
| [19:08:24] | kash: | that's weird |
| [19:08:40] | Juski: | I think I might have to give folks md5sums of this theme |
| [19:08:44] | kash: | 13:00:03 < |Torg|> so kash, how long did you stand in line :) |
| [19:08:54] | kash: | ^ i was the 10th person and stood in line for about an hour and half |
| [19:09:01] | kash: | :) |
| [19:09:23] | kash: | i planned on getting a 23" LCD television but the guy screwed up and gave me the 60" plasma for $299 |
| [19:09:34] | Juski: | this might have to be an 'invalid' bug report. can't reproduce it |
| [19:09:41] | kash: | is it a bug? |
| [19:09:53] | kash: | could be a feature :p |
| [19:09:54] | Juski: | a user report of my theme beta |
| [19:10:12] | Juski: | I dunno how the hell he managed to get the text up there |
| [19:10:31] | kash: | hm |
| [19:10:38] | Juski: | wonder if it's perculiar to opengl rendering... |
| [19:10:53] | |Torg|: | you got a 60" plasma for $299? |
| [19:11:02] | kash: | yeah |
| [19:11:02] | kash: | :D |
| [19:11:05] | |Torg|: | and what truck did this fall off of? |
| [19:11:08] | kash: | hahaha |
| [19:11:37] | |Torg|: | and where is this store and can you go buy another 10 :) |
| [19:11:45] | Juski: | every time I do a release of a theme & announce it on the users list the same guy always flags faults I can't reproduce. hmmm |
| [19:11:49] | kash: | i went to get the LCD and some old guy told me they were subbing a 26" Plasma for the LCD.. so i went to get the 26" and they told me to get the 39", which had the 60 subbed for it |
| [19:12:12] | |Torg|: | kash where is this? |
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| [19:12:16] | kash: | by the time they figured out who screwed up (the old guy) i had the 60" for $299 |
| [19:12:20] | kash: | compusa |
| [19:12:26] | kash: | probably once in a lifetime screwup |
| [19:12:32] | |Torg|: | yes there is more then one compusa tho :) |
| [19:12:47] | kash: | not the same old guy :) |
| [19:12:53] | ** Juski wonders if there's some pertinent information missing, such as maybe they're using a different branch for instance... ** | |
| [19:13:15] | |Torg|: | Juski Im not sure I understand what the bug is suposed to be |
| [19:13:17] | kash: | or if he changed the theme to give you a hard time. |
| [19:13:36] | Juski: | |Torg|: the bug is that the text I circled isn't supposed to be up there |
| [19:13:47] | Juski: | it's sposed to be in the darker, lower section |
| [19:13:49] | |Torg|: | ot if his them cache is somehow screwed up |
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| [19:14:08] | Juski: | and the 'there are 4 recordings in this display group' text has me confuzzled |
| [19:14:16] | jadel: | I'm having trouble with cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg (it's always 0kb) even though the ivtv drivers appear to be loaded ok – kernel 2.6.18.3 and ivtv 0.8.1 – can anyone help me figure out why? input is okay, "signal detected" when I change channel with ivtv-tune, but still nothing |
| [19:14:28] | |Torg|: | whats confusing about that? I get it all the time with my setup |
| [19:14:38] | |Torg|: | did you want to know how to recreate that text? |
| [19:14:43] | Juski: | maybe I've just never seen it |
| [19:15:02] | kash: | http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info. . . . _Plasma_HDTV |
| [19:15:03] | |Torg|: | if you go into the guide and scredule a recording, under the options put "find every day" or similar |
| [19:15:19] | kash: | erm, wrong one |
| [19:15:24] | |Torg|: | then let iit find and record 2 or more (oe be like me and be lazy and not watch them for over a week) |
| [19:15:54] | |Torg|: | then you will get a listing on the left side that has each recording scheule and it shoudl start on "all recordings" |
| [19:16:03] | Juski: | yeah yeah yeah |
| [19:16:13] | |Torg|: | ok so what are you confusd about? |
| [19:16:38] | Juski: | I'm confused because in my 'watch recordings' list I do not see a 'x number of recordings in this display group'. ever |
| [19:16:46] | kash: | me neither |
| [19:16:56] | |Torg|: | do you have more then one eppisode of a show recorded? |
| [19:17:00] | Juski: | loads |
| [19:17:17] | |Torg|: | intersting, it shows up in mine. I usually just ignore it tho |
| [19:17:36] | |Torg|: | the other thing I can say is wrong with that screenshot is the data time is overlapping |
| [19:17:46] | |Torg|: | it looks like a screensize/font issue to me |
| [19:18:14] | |Torg|: | like he went and screwed with the size settings for small, medium and large |
| [19:18:38] | kash: | yeah |
| [19:18:43] | kash: | or like he screwed with the theme |
| [19:18:47] | kash: | Juski: same guy? |
| [19:19:00] | kash: | every time an invalid bug is reported, i mean |
| [19:19:14] | Juski: | not invalid as such – just one I can't reproduce |
| [19:19:19] | Juski: | bugs the hell out of me |
| [19:19:46] | Juski: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . eenshot7.png |
| [19:19:55] | Juski: | that's what it's supposed to looky likey |
| [19:19:58] | kash: | i saw |
| [19:20:06] | kash: | he must have changed it |
| [19:20:10] | Juski: | and that's what I see |
| [19:20:18] | Juski: | if he did I'm gonna bitch on his ass |
| [19:20:40] | kash: | ask him to tar up his theme for you :p |
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| [19:21:04] | kash: | or just that section |
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| [19:21:10] | Juski: | and I'm now testing this with an SVN checkout from last night |
| [19:21:23] | |Torg|: | juski the differnce between th two is he slected a particular eppisode for the second screenshot |
| [19:21:24] | Juski: | so it's not a new feature like I thought it was at first |
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| [19:21:44] | |Torg|: | if hes complaing its not showing detail the error is on the user for not slecting an eppisode |
| [19:22:05] | Juski: | yeah and when I go into the r.h.s it selects a recording automagically |
| [19:22:08] | livingtm: | I have a usb video capture device. when i plug it in, udev doesnt seem to load the firmware to the device. anyone know how i can troubleshoot this? |
| [19:22:14] | |Torg|: | if hes compplaining about the overlap and wrogn placement its probbly becsae he screwed with the frontsize or he has an improper DisplaySize setting in his X config |
| [19:22:15] | kash: | i figured it out |
| [19:22:15] | kash: | :p |
| [19:22:20] | kash: | he has 'show group summary' enabled |
| [19:22:20] | Juski: | livingtm: fimrware in the wrong place? |
| [19:22:26] | Juski: | kash. thanks! |
| [19:22:36] | livingtm: | Juski, I can run fxload manually and it runs fine. |
| [19:22:37] | Juski: | how the hell to enable that... |
| [19:22:37] | kash: | it shows the group info instead of the first episode info |
| [19:22:51] | kash: | tv settings -> playback |
| [19:22:56] | livingtm: | Juski, i dont know if the udev rule is being executed |
| [19:22:58] | kash: | found it on accident |
| [19:23:02] | |Torg|: | its in the tv settings, i have it on mine |
| [19:23:06] | Juski: | kash: cheers. been searching for it all over |
| [19:23:12] | |Torg|: | hell its bee there al this time and I sorta just ignore it :) |
| [19:23:20] | Juski: | it's in one of the 170+ menu screens/ pfft |
| [19:23:26] | Juski: | ;) |
| [19:23:48] | livingtm: | Juski, fxload -t fx2 -D /proc/bus/usb/002/004 -I /lib/firmware/ezusb/hpi_PX-TV402U.hex <-- works fine |
| [19:24:25] | Juski: | plextor convertx eh? nice :) |
| [19:24:37] | livingtm: | Juski, yeah do you have one? |
| [19:24:52] | Juski: | thanks a big bunch kash! another mythtv feature I've never used :) |
| [19:24:56] | Juski: | livingtm: nope sorry |
| [19:24:57] | livingtm: | Juski, ive got hours invested in this and i cant get it to run in Mythtv |
| [19:25:05] | jadel: | livingtm: check this (or similar) directory to set a custom rule – /etc/udev/rules.d |
| [19:25:10] | Juski: | livingtm: just usually when firmware fails to load it's in the wrong place |
| [19:26:05] | Juski: | aha!!! |
| [19:26:19] | Juski: | simple simple xml file tweak needed. phew! |
| [19:26:58] | livingtm: | yeah the rule for it points to the right firmware |
| [19:27:27] | livingtm: | Do you knwo how to use udevtest? |
| [19:28:16] | livingtm: | I modified the rule to echo "test" to a text file but that doesnt seem to work when i plug the device in |
| [19:28:38] | livingtm: | i dont know much about the udev system |
| [19:29:27] | |Torg|: | its the user device part of linux to hande hotplug devices |
| [19:30:04] | |Torg|: | its the folow on to devfs |
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| [19:30:44] | Juski: | see this is why it's a good idea I went to beta before releasing this |
| [19:31:20] | livingtm: | udevtest keeps telling me its unable to open device |
| [19:36:23] | Juski: | email sent, hopefully a slightly happier user now |
| [19:38:04] | jadel: | I'm having trouble with cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg (it's always 0kb) even though the ivtv drivers appear to be loaded ok – kernel 2.6.18.3 and ivtv 0.8.1 – can anyone help me figure out why? input is okay, "signal detected" when I change channel with ivtv-tune, but still nothing |
| [19:38:44] | Juski: | jadel: pop the output of dmesg |grep ivtv into a pastebin there's a good chap ;) |
| [19:38:53] | livingtm: | is there a channel for udev gurus? |
| [19:39:07] | livingtm: | i dont see a #udev |
| [19:39:08] | Juski: | you know the saying 'udev rules'? it doesn't really |
| [19:39:15] | livingtm: | hehe |
| [19:39:32] | livingtm: | it works when it works... but if it doesnt..... |
| [19:40:18] | jadel: | I'll do ya one better – here's the output from modprobe ivtv and what happens with ivtvctl -D 9 when I try the cat /dev/video0 – http://rafb.net/paste/results/F41aFj71.html |
| [19:41:38] | Juski: | dmesg looks ok to me |
| [19:42:15] | jadel: | agreed |
| [19:42:22] | Juski: | time to take a break for a bit before I get themeblindness |
| [19:42:52] | jadel: | perhaps when you return we can see if we can't get a filesize on my cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg? |
| [19:43:42] | Juski: | or maybe some more experienced fella will come along & be able to help ... |
| [19:43:51] | jadel: | also a good option :) |
| [19:44:00] | Juski: | looks like stuff loaded ok but I'd be at a loss as to the rest tbh |
| [19:44:21] | Juski: | unless you also have another tuner & it's not really /dev/video0 of course |
| [19:44:30] | Juski: | but... back in a bit |
| [19:44:32] | jadel: | nope, only card, good thought though |
| [19:44:33] | livingtm: | Ah, the convertx device doesnt seem to show up in the udev db |
| [19:44:45] | livingtm: | ...now what... |
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| [19:54:05] | Chicago: | Hi. I'm still having a problem where I must have misconfigured my machine. MythWeb is saying "!!NoTrans:" all over the place, an error meaning it doesn't have a translation of the page for me. I thought perhaps it was the zend optimizer screwing things up... so I'm recompiling php now and using the gentoo default php.ini to see if that will fix my "!!NoTrans:" issue. Can somebody help me find other ideas or howto make sure m |
| [19:54:05] | Chicago: | y locale and language settings are correct, please. |
| [19:54:30] | xris: | Chicago: has nothing to do with needing new php. means your translation files are not where mythweb can find them |
| [19:54:44] | xris: | oh, optimizer.. hmm. still shouldn't make a difference, though |
| [19:55:15] | Chicago: | xris: Actually, I think you helped me fix this same issue a year ago when I had the same problem. |
| [19:55:38] | xris: | easy fix is to just check mythweb out from the svn fixes branch where you want it to be. |
| [19:56:22] | Chicago: | xris: I checked out the stable branch from the SVN and couldn't compile myth archive or myth gallery... |
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| [19:56:37] | Chicago: | xris: I noticed the gentoo ebuilds aren't using the latest stable. |
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| [19:56:38] | xris: | just mythweb |
| [19:56:46] | Chicago: | ok |
| [19:57:14] | Chicago: | Has mythstream received any updates in the last 6 mos..? It kinda didn't work so well last time I looked for it and wanted to use it. |
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| [19:57:37] | xris: | have never used mythstream OR mythstreamtv. |
| [19:58:06] | Chicago: | There are some nice collections of stream content in there... but the interface isn't correct. |
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| [19:59:12] | xris: | I don't even have time to watch the stuff I record, let alone other stuff |
| [19:59:45] | Chicago: | I'll try as you suggested an use the mythweb from svn. I hope there aren't any problems with setting --prefix and --libs against the gentoo ebuild default locations. |
| [20:00:24] | Chicago: | I'm also gonna try and compile the stable svn again... now that I updated my ffmpeg and mplayer to newer versions... I can't image what else would be breaking myth archive. |
| [20:00:40] | xris: | only thing you'll need to tweak if your backend isn't from -fixes is that you'll need to make sure mythbackend.php is the same as the original.. there was a mythproto version bump at one point, and the number needs to match in mythweb. |
| [20:01:50] | Chicago: | I'd rather keep up with svn stable. |
| [20:02:47] | Juski: | time to get neck deep in free photos |
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| [20:07:21] | threedaymonk: | I've got my MythTV box (on Ubuntu) working, but I need some pointers on getting the remote working 100%. It works out of the box for numbers, but some keys don't work, and I'd like to change the assignments. |
| [20:07:37] | threedaymonk: | I assume it's using xkb, but I'm not quite sure where to go next! |
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| [20:11:02] | Feclar: | whats a simple tv viewer? want to test my capture card is working bfo setting up myth |
| [20:12:16] | threedaymonk: | Feclar: I used the guide at http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php for ubuntu; it might work for you too |
| [20:12:40] | threedaymonk: | look under 'Testing the DVB Card' |
| [20:14:46] | Juski: | tzap & mplayer are your friend, Feclar – assuming you've got a dvb-t tuner ;) |
| [20:19:01] | livingtm: | No luck with my convertx... all the video is green fuzz |
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| [20:22:50] | harzi: | i want to follow: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.2 to install a mythtv-backend on debian etch: unfortunate a prerequisite "liblame-dev" seams not to be available in etch (also in marillat). do i have to switch for sid? |
| [20:23:27] | Juski: | harzi: prolly in universe, or the multimedia repos ;) |
| [20:24:05] | Qwell: | stupid question.. what can I use to tweak channel freqs, and view them "on the fly"? |
| [20:24:22] | Qwell: | so that I can tune the freq in myth. I have a hauppauge(sp) |
| [20:25:04] | Juski: | hookees. time for a quick straw poll. have a looky here: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/comingsoon/ and give me your opinion of the 'watch recordings' icon. is it cheesy/tacky compared to the others or what? |
| [20:25:06] | Feclar: | http://www.pny.com/products/multimedia/fx5700.asp is that a dvb-t tuner? |
| [20:25:41] | Juski: | Feclar: whoopsy. nvidia personal cinema isn't supported by linux AFAIK |
| [20:25:41] | Feclar: | i dont think i have the drivers loaded for the tuner portion of the card, just want to test that. |
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| [20:26:21] | Feclar: | baby jesus is crying |
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| [20:26:22] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris | |
| [20:26:26] | Juski: | at least not the _capture_ part of it. and this isn't the 1st time you'll have been told that IIRC |
| [20:26:40] | threedaymonk: | Juski: yeah, it's out of character, and doesn't live up to the quality of the others |
| [20:27:00] | Feclar: | hmm actually it is the first time, unless i was told when i was afk when i posted a link to a forum thread. |
| [20:27:07] | gctaylor: | When running "$ mythtv-setup", am I supposed to be user mythtv or a regular user? |
| [20:27:08] | Juski: | threedaymonk: ta. damn. ach well the search continues |
| [20:27:24] | Juski: | gctaylor: the user mythbackend will run as most likely |
| [20:27:26] | xris: | gctaylor: shouldnt matter |
| [20:27:30] | threedaymonk: | by the way, which Qt button theme are you guys using? |
| [20:27:48] | Juski: | threedaymonk: I don't care really. they're only for the popup widgets |
| [20:28:16] | threedaymonk: | I guess – I just want a bit more contrast on the active widget |
| [20:28:32] | Qwell: | nm, figured it out.. mythtv took the liberty of setting -23khz for that channel... |
| [20:28:34] | threedaymonk: | Juski: it should be fairly easy to change the image, no? Maybe there's something good on flickr |
| [20:28:50] | Juski: | you can't just go grabbing images from hither & thither ya know |
| [20:29:31] | Juski: | the licence restrictions usually say no alterations, which really puts a big spanner in the works |
| [20:29:31] | threedaymonk: | well, you can search by licence on there |
| [20:29:43] | threedaymonk: | and find images you *are* allowed to reuse |
| [20:30:01] | Juski: | flickr is my last port of call tbh. don't wanna tread on any toes ;) |
| [20:30:16] | threedaymonk: | fair enough. |
| [20:30:38] | Juski: | I'd appreciate any ideas folks have for how to represent 'watch recordings' pictorially |
| [20:30:51] | xris: | a couch. lol |
| [20:30:57] | Juski: | haha |
| [20:31:16] | Juski: | actually I have a great stock image of a cinema seating arrangement |
| [20:31:23] | Feclar: | eye over a film reel? |
| [20:31:26] | tracy: | where are the logs for this channel? I forgot a sql statement |
| [20:31:35] | xris: | tracy: /topic |
| [20:31:43] | tracy: | it is not there :( |
| [20:31:52] | tracy: | i looked |
| [20:31:56] | xris: | hmm, looks like they got reset. lame |
| [20:32:01] | threedaymonk: | Juski: A picture of someone removing a can of film from a film library |
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| [20:32:11] | Juski: | Feclar: hopefully something that doesn't look overly photoshopped |
| [20:32:13] | tracy: | i guess it is burried deap in the wiki somewhere |
| [20:32:19] | xris: | !search test |
| [20:32:40] | xris: | http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/ |
| [20:32:40] | Juski: | threedaymonk: maybe less specific. I've tried a stack of vcrs.. too tacky. then progressed to the hdd icon stack... |
| [20:32:47] | xris: | tracy: that should get you what you want |
| [20:32:59] | Feclar: | Can anyone suggest a capture card that would be avail at bestbuy/compusa? |
| [20:33:15] | Juski: | Feclar: hauppauge pvr150 |
| [20:33:36] | Feclar: | Juski: http://www.worldsgreatestbar.com/cat_drinking_beer_watch_tv.jpg |
| [20:33:48] | tracy: | thanks xris |
| [20:33:56] | Juski: | Feclar: lol |
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| [20:34:26] | Juski: | bear in mind the source image needs to be at least 1 megapixel too ;) |
| [20:34:46] | rogue780: | has anyone here installed mythtv on ubuntu? |
| [20:34:52] | Feclar: | http://circle.bc.ca/wallpapers/circle-tv-1280.jpg |
| [20:34:52] | threedaymonk: | rogue780: yes |
| [20:35:19] | Feclar: | http://www.aftonbladet.se/kultur/0605/12/KULT . . . -180_438.jpg |
| [20:35:35] | Juski: | preferably copyright/royalty free... |
| [20:35:40] | Juski: | see it's not that easy is it? ;) |
| [20:36:09] | Juski: | I think I know what's coming here |
| [20:36:35] | Juski: | if you like the theme, chip in & buy me a few dvds full of stock photos :) |
| [20:37:43] | Juski: | wonder if I could get permission for a still from 'A Clockwork Orange' ... see where I'm going with that idea? ;) |
| [20:37:55] | threedaymonk: | haha |
| [20:38:15] | threedaymonk: | can you change the menu into nadsat too? |
| [20:38:22] | threedaymonk: | "viddy recordings" |
| [20:38:36] | Juski: | that'd be the role of a translation |
| [20:38:47] | Juski: | you could have some serious fun with that |
| [20:39:10] | Juski: | "hmmm.. no recordings to view you have" |
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| [20:39:27] | ** threedaymonk wonders where google.co.uk has gone ** | |
| [20:39:54] | Paladine: | works for me |
| [20:39:58] | Juski: | there's a serious lack of photos of sofas without pussy on flickr.com |
| [20:40:12] | Feclar: | http://createdigitalmotion.com/images/2006/July2006/sphere5.jpg |
| [20:40:38] | Juski: | duh! A video wall! |
| [20:40:46] | Juski: | booyeah |
| [20:40:53] | threedaymonk: | A fat guy in a CCTV control room! |
| [20:41:09] | Juski: | threedaymonk: I might want people to actually use the theme ya know |
| [20:41:31] | Juski: | though I expect there'd be a market for porn-wide |
| [20:42:25] | ** Juski chuckles at http://www.flickr.com/photos/funkymunkyzone/77498034/ ** | |
| [20:43:02] | Juski: | sod it I'll make me own |
| [20:43:14] | Juski: | thanks for the idea Feclar |
| [20:44:03] | xris: | lol |
| [20:45:02] | Feclar: | a picture with a couple of crt/lcd/plasmas displayed would be nice i think |
| [20:45:27] | Juski: | Feclar: already using that for rec priorities |
| [20:45:59] | Juski: | I'll make a grid of different stills in 16:9 aspect, then give it some perspective distortion, maybe some raster lines too |
| [20:46:38] | Feclar: | ok so whats the best bang for the buck tuner ? |
| [20:46:48] | Feclar: | the haupauge 150? |
| [20:46:51] | Juski: | aye |
| [20:47:31] | Feclar: | it better then the ATI HDTV WONDER? |
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| [20:47:46] | Feclar: | ATI TV WONDER 650 |
| [20:48:35] | Juski: | depends if you want HD or not |
| [20:48:49] | Feclar: | all 3 of those are supposedly HD |
| [20:48:57] | Feclar: | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 091099928443 |
| [20:49:03] | Feclar: | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 091099928443 |
| [20:49:09] | Feclar: | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 114638478899 |
| [20:49:18] | Feclar: | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 149206843868 |
| [20:49:34] | Juski: | look on the wiki to see a list of allegedly supported tuners before you buy anything |
| [20:50:40] | xris: | Feclar: you want HD OTA or cable? |
| [20:50:54] | gctaylor: | When I try to start the backend (as root), mythbackend.log says "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' ". Where/how is the password to supposed to be supplied? |
| [20:51:11] | xris: | gctaylor: did you run the mc.sql file to grant db perms, etc? |
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| [20:52:07] | gctaylor: | xris: yes, I wasn't sure if necessary since I saw the mythconverg (spelling) was already in but I ran it anyway (debian etch install FWIW). |
| [20:52:44] | xris: | gctaylor: updatedb && locate mysql.txt |
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| [20:56:40] | gctaylor: | xris: I've got a few of those hanging around... where is it is supposed to be? /etc/mythtv and delete the rest? |
| [20:56:55] | xris: | generally supposed to be in ~/.mythtv |
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| [20:57:05] | xris: | but mainly just make sure you only have one |
| [20:57:11] | xris: | and that the password info is correect |
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| [21:00:48] | gctaylor: | xris: This is the password for user mythtv inside mysql, correct? |
| [21:00:56] | xris: | correct |
| [21:01:02] | xris: | and that's what's causing the error you pasted |
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| [21:05:16] | livingtm: | Im watching livetv and getting only green with a bit of fuzz at the top. When i change channels, there is a post to dmesg that shows the tuner has changed frequencies. still see green though. |
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| [21:17:47] | livingtm: | when i change channels, mythtv spits out to the console "unable to launch application" |
| [21:18:19] | GreyFoxx: | You likely configured myth to call and external app to change the channels in mythtv-setup ? |
| [21:18:37] | GreyFoxx: | it's what people who use external settop boxes do to call a script to change the chanenl on the STV |
| [21:18:38] | GreyFoxx: | STB |
| [21:19:09] | livingtm: | hm, i think that entry was blank in the setup |
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| [21:20:51] | Feclar: | thats lame, i have the 2 capture cards that dont work with mythtv |
| [21:21:07] | wilee85: | is it possible to use mythtv .19 frontend with a .20 backend? |
| [21:21:46] | xris: | no |
| [21:22:49] | xris: | Feclar: do you have digital cable? |
| [21:25:21] | Feclar: | xris, i dont have cable or satelite yet |
| [21:25:27] | Feclar: | have not decided which one to go with |
| [21:25:38] | xris: | well, no hd recording for satellite, no matter what |
| [21:25:49] | xris: | with digital cable, you can just use firewire |
| [21:26:52] | psofa: | GreyFoxx, Set video sync frame interval to 40000 |
| [21:26:53] | livingtm: | whats the different between us-cable, us-cable-hrc, and us-cable-irc? |
| [21:26:58] | psofa: | NVP: Video is 3.09842 frames ahead of audio, |
| [21:26:58] | psofa: | doubling video frame interval to slow down. |
| [21:27:12] | psofa: | doesnt this mean that it would sync every 2 frames? |
| [21:27:40] | psofa: | and thus causing stuttering? |
| [21:28:30] | gctaylor: | xris: Thanks for your help, I got the backend starting correctly. |
| [21:28:54] | |Torg|: | us-cable is std cable tuning, us-cable-hrc is harmonicly related carrier, us-cable-irc is incrrementlly carriers. You would know what you use becase only one will work with whatever cable you have |
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| [21:29:45] | |Torg|: | irc is close to standard, enough that if you try to use it you could get offsptes in your signal |
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| [21:30:36] | livingtm: | |Torg| i was using standard, but i only get a green screen with some noise at the top |
| [21:31:04] | |Torg|: | livingtm who does your cable come from? |
| [21:31:12] | livingtm: | |Torg|, Time Warner |
| [21:31:23] | |Torg|: | digital cable? |
| [21:31:26] | livingtm: | no |
| [21:31:27] | livingtm: | analog |
| [21:31:45] | |Torg|: | try hrc |
| [21:32:00] | |Torg|: | depends on where you are, what TW aquired etc |
| [21:32:14] | Juski: | oh not that again psofa. I thought you'd fixed it |
| [21:32:46] | |Torg|: | basicly livingtm it will be one of the three |
| [21:32:47] | livingtm: | wow i just started watching live TV and the whole machine hosed |
| [21:32:55] | livingtm: | froze right up |
| [21:33:08] | livingtm: | cant even ssh into it |
| [21:33:08] | psofa: | Juski, i think im becoming mad |
| [21:35:55] | Juski: | I think I would too |
| [21:37:28] | wilee85: | does anyone know why I get the following error? Error |
| [21:37:28] | wilee85: | data/tv_icons directory is not writable by www-data. Please check permissions. |
| [21:37:49] | wilee85: | all I can really get to is the main mythweb page |
| [21:38:03] | livingtm: | something it totally not right. it doesnt matte if i switch between SVideo, component, or tuner.. its all the same green screen |
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| [21:39:09] | livingtm: | what does a green screen indicate? |
| [21:40:12] | |Torg|: | depends on the tuner |
| [21:40:23] | |Torg|: | most linky it means it can not lock onto a signal |
| [21:40:24] | psofa: | Juski, well after hacking audiooutputalsa.cpp to more sensible buffer sizes fixing the "waiting for space messages" i think ive got it to the point where im not sure if what im seeing is because of interlacing or not. |
| [21:41:14] | livingtm: | |Torg| I have a plextor convertx. I can capture video using their utility, but i cant get an image with mythtv |
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| [21:42:39] | Juski: | psofa: but I thought you'd said that playback was fine when using that fixes branch |
| [21:42:53] | wilee85: | data/tv_icons directory is not writable by www-data. Please check permissions. |
| [21:42:53] | psofa: | Juski, never said that |
| [21:42:58] | wilee85: | does anyone know why I get the following error? Error |
| [21:43:00] | wilee85: | data/tv_icons directory is not writable by www-data. Please check permissions. |
| [21:43:02] | wilee85: | ? |
| [21:43:22] | |Torg|: | yes it means the icons directly is not writable by the user www-data |
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| [21:43:36] | |Torg|: | ill assume your web server is set up as user www-data and it can not write to the directory |
| [21:43:50] | |Torg|: | most likly its owned by root or your mythtv user |
| [21:44:21] | lightspeedbiker: | Torg, this is ligthspeed back now with IRC on my MythTV box inside firefox |
| [21:44:36] | |Torg|: | adn livingtm im sorry but I dont know much about those boxes, are you sure its compatable with linux or myth? |
| [21:44:54] | |Torg|: | so lightspeedbiker what client did you settle on? |
| [21:45:04] | livingtm: | they claim it is. when i set up the box it shows up in the list of device types |
| [21:46:49] | |Torg|: | well livingtm if you are setting this up what device type did you tell myth it was? |
| [21:47:05] | lightspeedbiker: | Ok Torg went with ChatZ inside firefox |
| [21:47:29] | livingtm: | |Torq| http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Plextor_ConvertX I told it it was a usb MP4 converter Plextor ConvertX" its listed by name |
| [21:47:44] | lightspeedbiker: | I just installed plugins, with apache2 install went smooth, no errors listed |
| [21:48:21] | lightspeedbiker: | But, I can't connect to the web off my MythTV ---Errror 2006-11–24 13:45:26.953 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost |
| [21:48:21] | |Torg|: | livingtm did you install the linux driver for it? |
| [21:48:23] | lightspeedbiker: | SIP listening on IP Address 192.168.1.103:5060 NAT address 192.168.1.103 |
| [21:48:24] | lightspeedbiker: | SIP: Cannot register; proxy, username or password not set |
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| [21:48:48] | |Torg|: | lightspeedbiker thats for voice over ip, id actaly go into teh settings and disable it |
| [21:48:49] | livingtm: | |Torg| yes, I am able to use the capture utility that came with the driver to campture video to .avi |
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| [21:49:41] | lightspeedbiker: | ok Torg, thanks, What's the command to do this? |
| [21:49:53] | |Torg|: | to do what, turn off voip? |
| [21:50:12] | Feclar: | is it still possible to get free hbo/fox/showtime etc via satelite? |
| [21:50:18] | lightspeedbiker: | yea, and also still need to get the Web connection going too |
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| [21:50:29] | ryanduff: | hello |
| [21:50:32] | Feclar: | hi |
| [21:50:57] | |Torg|: | lightspeedbiker it shoudl work even with that error, you turn off the mythphone plugin, its in the settings |
| [21:51:40] | ryanduff: | anybody in here by chance get wired magazine? I saw an ad in the latest issue that sold myth based dvr's for under $1000, I wanted to look just to see what hardware they used but can't find my issue of wired |
| [21:51:53] | ryanduff: | or maybe knew the dealer off the top of their head |
| [21:52:33] | lightspeedbiker: | Torg, yea lets skip the VOIP one for now.... When I bring up my Web Screen I just see MythBrowers: Select group or single site to view and a blank dark blue screen |
| [21:53:08] | |Torg|: | lightspeedbiker are you connecting to mythweb from a web browser on the backend box? |
| [21:53:18] | livingtm: | |Torg| tvtime says "Cannot open capture device /dev/video0" does this mean anything? |
| [21:53:36] | |Torg|: | oh yes, it means whatever you setup mythbackend for is incorrectly setup |
| [21:54:01] | |Torg|: | when you ran mythtv-setup what did you define as inputs? |
| [21:54:52] | lightspeedbiker: | Torg, I think MythBrowser is on the backend, I go into the frontend first and push down the menus into the plugins, one is web |
| [21:55:26] | |Torg|: | the browser can be any web browser on any box connected netowrk to your backend proviced it can get to the ip and port |
| [21:55:27] | lightspeedbiker: | Torg. I don't recall.... too much has happend grin |
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| [21:55:59] | lightspeedbiker: | I recall my setup has the 127. ip or local host setting |
| [21:56:00] | livingtm: | |Torg|, Un capture cards, i setup Card Type: USB MPEG-4 encoder box (Plextor ConvertX) Video Device /dev/video0 |
| [21:56:25] | |Torg|: | ahh livingtm, do you have a device /dev/video0? |
| [21:56:32] | ryanduff: | Monolith MC was the site I was looking for... https://monolithmc.com/catalog.php ... ended up using del.icio.us hoping someone else would have bookmarked it. Thanks |
| [21:56:41] | |Torg|: | yes lightspeedbiker the default is 127.0.0.1 your local loopback |
| [21:56:54] | livingtm: | |Torg|, Under probed info it says " Plextor PX-TV402U-NA [gp7007]" |
| [21:57:32] | lightspeedbiker: | Torg, did I set a config file wrong that I need to change / verify |
| [21:57:43] | |Torg|: | ok livingtm and yo can cat /dev/video0 into a file and play it? |
| [21:57:59] | |Torg|: | yes lightspeedbiker you have a defenition in your setup that is wrong |
| [21:58:16] | |Torg|: | like livingtm here you setup a inptu device on the default of /dev/video0 |
| [21:58:31] | |Torg|: | if that is indeed your device then something else is using it, if not its setup wrong |
| [21:58:42] | |Torg|: | either way it needs to be fixed |
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| [21:58:51] | lightspeedbiker: | The guide said look at user / password in mysql.txt as a guide |
| [21:59:08] | livingtm: | |Torg|, cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.avi fails with "cat; /dev/video0: Invalid argument" |
| [21:59:13] | |Torg|: | well that file has the connection values for mysql, yes |
| [21:59:16] | lightspeedbiker: | Then edit mythweb-htaccess.conf to match this |
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| [21:59:55] | lightspeedbiker: | Then add www-data to the mythtv group |
| [21:59:59] | lightspeedbiker: | that it |
| [22:00:05] | |Torg|: | livingtm see that semicolon? drop it type "cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/file.avi" |
| [22:00:55] | |Torg|: | ok lightspeedbiker what did you do next? |
| [22:01:40] | lightspeedbiker: | last step was chown onf www-data in /usr/shar/mythtv/mythweb/data |
| [22:02:00] | livingtm: | "cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.avi" fails.. the error is "cat: /dev/video0: Invalid argument" |
| [22:02:41] | lightspeedbiker: | Is there on place in MythTV I can change my password so it writes into all config files that need it |
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| [22:03:37] | lightspeedbiker: | The other tip is I have three PC on my network, basic wrt54G router |
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| [22:05:38] | |Torg|: | livingtm either /dev/video0 is not the device setup by the driver or the driver is not working on your system |
| [22:06:01] | |Torg|: | and no lightspeedbiker the web server runs as user www-data with the group of www-data |
| [22:06:13] | livingtm: | |Torg|, How to i test that? the testapp that came with the driver captures ok.. i dont know what else i can do to test |
| [22:06:27] | |Torg|: | anything that web server reads MUST be readable by the user www-data or the group likewise for anything it writes |
| [22:06:40] | |Torg|: | livingtm what is testapp reading? |
| [22:06:59] | xris: | cheap mythbox: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searc . . . ku=J156-4218 |
| [22:07:07] | livingtm: | |Torg|, It records whatever channel i want to /tmp/test.avi |
| [22:07:19] | |Torg|: | I know it records, what device is it using? |
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| [22:07:34] | livingtm: | |Torg|, when i unplug the usb, /dev/video0 goes away |
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| [22:08:14] | |Torg|: | when you plug it in does the device come back? |
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| [22:08:43] | lightspeedbiker: | the command I enter was [sudo chown www-data /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/data] this set a own seems fine , yes? |
| [22:08:58] | |Torg|: | yes that would work |
| [22:09:07] | livingtm: | |Torg|, yes it does |
| [22:09:26] | lightspeedbiker: | The guide also had me add www-data to the mythtv group, seems fine too, yes? |
| [22:09:47] | |Torg|: | yes lightspeedbiker that shoudl work too |
| [22:10:02] | |Torg|: | livingtm ls -l /dev/video0 and tell me what it sayd |
| [22:11:17] | livingtm: | |Torg|, says "crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2006-11–24 17:08 /dev/video0" |
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| [22:11:59] | |Torg|: | now type "grep 81 /proc/devices" |
| [22:12:03] | livingtm: | |Torg|, I tried the cat as root and it still said invalid argument.. doenst seem to be a permissions thing |
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| [22:12:25] | GrapeApe69ca: | anyone on fc6 not getting mythtv-suite from atrpms? |
| [22:12:26] | |Torg|: | im less worried about who owns it, rather what its major and minor number are |
| [22:12:30] | livingtm: | |Torg|, "81 video4linux" |
| [22:12:41] | xris: | GrapeApe69ca: I build my own packages |
| [22:12:51] | lightspeedbiker: | Torg, red face.... I just tried another item... Weather and pick a ramdomn city, IT works on this plugin |
| [22:13:00] | GrapeApe69ca: | do you have a howto? |
| [22:13:27] | lightspeedbiker: | Some progress /// but web plugin show clear dark blue screen |
| [22:14:10] | xris: | GrapeApe69ca: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythtv-svn-rpmbuild.spec |
| [22:14:17] | |Torg|: | ok livingtm, what does dmesg say when you plug in the deivce, as well as messages? |
| [22:14:32] | xris: | but I have to ask — what's wrong with atrpms? |
| [22:14:49] | |Torg|: | ok lightspeedbiker that means mythweb is working, you can use the settings to delete those channels now |
| [22:15:02] | GrapeApe69ca: | i dunno, i tried doing a install of mythtv-suite and nothing found |
| [22:15:15] | xris: | GrapeApe69ca: enable the testing repo |
| [22:15:24] | livingtm: | |Torg|, http://pastebin.ca/257024 |
| [22:15:26] | GrapeApe69ca: | ahh, i'll try that |
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| [22:15:55] | |Torg|: | livingtm I dunno then, everythign looks as if its suposed to work |
| [22:16:30] | GrapeApe69ca: | nope, nothing to install |
| [22:16:59] | livingtm: | |Torg|, hmmm this is frustrating |
| [22:17:09] | lightspeedbiker: | Torg, great! where is this in the menu tree. Under Watch TV? |
| [22:17:21] | livingtm: | are there players based on video4linux that might be a good test? |
| [22:18:02] | xris: | GrapeApe69ca: you can use that spec, but make sure you change the svn checkout URL so it grabs from the fixes branch and not from trunk |
| [22:18:43] | |Torg|: | no lightspeedbiker under settings, looks like a key and wrench on the icon list on top |
| [22:20:49] | lightspeedbiker: | Trog, I in setup , General |
| [22:20:52] | GrapeApe69ca: | yum install of mythtv-suite from atrpms not working for me, anyone else? |
| [22:21:23] | |Torg|: | no lightspeedbiker under settings, channel settings |
| [22:21:25] | lightspeedbiker: | Show page on Database Configuration 1/2 |
| [22:21:32] | |Torg|: | lightspeedbiker what version of myth are you running? |
| [22:21:47] | lightspeedbiker: | Torg, 0.2 |
| [22:22:37] | |Torg|: | ok go to /mythweb/settings/channels |
| [22:25:01] | livingtm: | |Torg|, a 64bit linux wouldnt have any effect on it would it? |
| [22:25:03] | lightspeedbiker: | I at Main/Info/Web this is where the blank dark blue screen is |
| [22:25:24] | |Torg|: | yes livingtm alot, is that driver you isntalled for 64 bit? |
| [22:25:29] | lightspeedbiker: | Should I be look at a backend log? |
| [22:25:43] | livingtm: | |Torg|, I compiled it on my amd64 with ubuntu edgy 64 |
| [22:26:03] | |Torg|: | no lightspeedbiker that will only tell you if your mythweb connected to it, it did and you dont need to veryfity tht |
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| [22:26:17] | |Torg|: | go to the channel settings like I said |
| [22:28:28] | livingtm: | |Torg|, does it need to be written for 64, or only compiled for 64? |
| [22:29:17] | |Torg|: | a driver is compiled, asn it needs kernel headder info to be comepiled as well. Since you compiled it, and it runs, and it seems to work with hotplug (proably udev), ill assume it was done corectly |
| [22:29:38] | lightspeedbiker: | Torg, I at top of menu, Man starts with Watch #1 #6 is Utilities / Setup no Web there, strang |
| [22:29:47] | livingtm: | |Torg|, I didnt have problems compiling, but i did have problems with udev.. i have to load the firmware manually |
| [22:30:34] | lightspeedbiker: | Torg, Utilities lists Music, Video, Edit and Setup |
| [22:30:48] | |Torg|: | lightspeedbiker is there two or three icons next to eachother on the top left? |
| [22:31:59] | |Torg|: | livingtm it would suggest you get the device working under linux before you try to set it up on mythtv |
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| [22:32:46] | lightspeedbiker: | Thor, I'm in the Retro theme.... No icons on top left, just bottom right above texe mythTV |
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| [22:33:13] | |Torg|: | ok lightspeedbiker no problem cut and past the url you are using here |
| [22:33:24] | livingtm: | |Torg|, By "working in linux" you mean i should be able to cat to a file? |
| [22:33:35] | |Torg|: | menaing the deivce shoudl work, yes |
| [22:33:59] | livingtm: | |Torg|, well it does work with the supplied test application.. thats why im trying to make the distincton |
| [22:35:09] | lightspeedbiker: | Torg, I confused... the url to? |
| [22:35:35] | |Torg|: | lightspeedbiker you use a web browser to connect to mythweb, right? what url did you use? |
| [22:36:55] | lightspeedbiker: | Torg; boy I may have miss how to do this.... I don't know the url. I thought it was inside the frontend menus |
| [22:37:13] | |Torg|: | umm no |
| [22:37:48] | |Torg|: | mythweb is a set of pages, written in php, can can access some but not all of the functionality of the backend |
| [22:38:05] | |Torg|: | of the things I can do is list the channels for you and allow you to remove them or change the settings |
| [22:38:28] | |Torg|: | since you origionally wanted to edit the channel list I suggested you do this rather then write sql commands to mysql |
| [22:38:30] | lightspeedbiker: | Thor... so is there a directory I can go into and open a browser |
| [22:38:55] | |Torg|: | there is a web browser you can go to and open a url to your mythweb server |
| [22:39:57] | lightspeedbiker: | Thor, I recall a appliation call phpmyadmin, I should install this, maybe this would be better? |
| [22:40:20] | |Torg|: | better/same its differnt |
| [22:40:36] | |Torg|: | btw phpmyadmin requires a php web server just as mythweb |
| [22:40:45] | |Torg|: | so I wouldnt say it would be any easier |
| [22:41:48] | lightspeedbiker: | Can you offer a tip on getting the rip DVD going, I don't think the daemon got launched to transcode. How do I kick start this? |
| [22:42:19] | |Torg|: | it shopuld have warned you if it wasnt runing when you went to the dvd screen |
| [22:42:33] | |Torg|: | if its not running it will giv you an option to run it |
| [22:42:41] | |Torg|: | if it still failes you have permission problems |
| [22:42:42] | lightspeedbiker: | yea, I got the screen... number key didn't work |
| [22:44:05] | lightspeedbiker: | Any tips on track this down... |
| [22:45:00] | |Torg|: | try running it as the user and see what happens |
| [22:46:12] | lightspeedbiker: | can you tell me the command to kick start it? |
| [22:46:27] | |Torg|: | mtd |
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| [22:47:28] | lightspeedbiker: | thanks I try it as user not (mythtv) |
| [22:48:32] | lightspeedbiker: | that got something going > |
| [22:48:43] | lightspeedbiker: | Message; 14:47:53: Waiting for connections/jobs |
| [22:48:45] | lightspeedbiker: | 14:47:53: mtd is listening on port 2442 |
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| [22:57:30] | lightspeedbiker: | Torg, I phpmyadmin installed and work, now view the channel table. It look like one could start removing rows |
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| [23:17:03] | Smeven: | howdy |
| [23:17:17] | Smeven: | has anyone in here successfully built mythtv against uclibc? |
| [23:17:51] | GreyFoxx: | I've seen a few ask,and say they were trying, but I've never seen anyone claim to actually do it |
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| [23:22:12] | jave: | is it possible to update the movielist from cmd line? |
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| [23:36:57] | riddlebox: | can you setup a mythfrontend on another machine and connect and watch tv? |
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| [23:38:42] | brainsforsale: | hey |
| [23:38:48] | brainsforsale: | i have a question |
| [23:40:35] | Saviq: | what kind? |
| [23:40:42] | brainsforsale: | so |
| [23:40:55] | brainsforsale: | im new to linux and all of the mythtv stuff |
| [23:40:56] | brainsforsale: | anyway |
| [23:40:57] | Saviq: | riddlebox: yes |
| [23:41:08] | brainsforsale: | i live on the east coast |
| [23:41:17] | brainsforsale: | I have comcast digital cable |
| [23:41:57] | brainsforsale: | i was looking at setting up a knoppmyth box with a hauppauge pvr-150 tuner card |
| [23:42:07] | riddlebox: | Saviq, is there something I need to setup in my.cnf? I setup mythfrontend to go to the ip of my backbone, but it still says it cant connect to the database? |
| [23:42:09] | brainsforsale: | do i have to connect the card to the cable box |
| [23:42:13] | brainsforsale: | which is a DCT2224 |
| [23:42:27] | brainsforsale: | or can i just connect the tuner to the coax coming out of the wall |
| [23:43:43] | Saviq: | riddlebox: is mysql accessible from the second box? |
| [23:44:04] | xris: | brainsforsale: for analog, you just plug it into the wall |
| [23:44:05] | Saviq: | brainsforsale: depends on Your pc tuner |
| [23:44:56] | riddlebox: | Saviq, I am drawing a blank on how to check that |
| [23:45:34] | Saviq: | on the second box – try mysql -u username -p -h first_host |
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| [23:47:03] | riddlebox: | Saviq, no it isnt |
| [23:47:26] | Saviq: | then You need to have it accessible |
| [23:48:00] | riddlebox: | Saviq, thats what I cant remember how to do, I thought it was in my.cnf, but to me it looks like the port is open |
| [23:48:08] | Saviq: | 1: /etc/mysql/my.cnf – edit bind-address |
| [23:48:38] | Saviq: | get phpmysql and change host for the mysql username to be % |
| [23:48:46] | Saviq: | phpmyadmin that is |
| [23:51:04] | riddlebox: | Saviq, I have edited that, do I need to reload mysql after I do it? |
| [23:51:19] | Saviq: | positive |
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