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[00:23:20] kuse: What options do u have with mythtv when using more than one output that is not cloned?
[00:23:40] lift28: hello-
[00:23:45] Thomas22: hello all
[00:23:57] lift28: is thier a line or is it jump in?
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[00:26:01] clop: hi, i'm wondering if there's some trick to making the volume controls work in myth tv?
[00:26:29] clop: when i watch tv in it, adjusting the volume doesn't have any actual effect on the volume level, and "muteing" shows a "mute on" message but still has audio output
[00:26:33] Thomas22: when i irsend SEND_START grayHauppauge Channel-UP, I receive hardware doesnt support sending. irw works fine. I have a pvr150.
[00:26:44] lift28: got everything setup-- just have 1 dvb channel showing the wrong station- i do have the correct info for it — but cant find it in mysql to change--- removeing the adapter and reinstalling doesnt help--
[00:26:51] kormoc: clop, set it to use the correct mixer in the frontend sound config?
[00:27:18] clop: kormoc, ok, thanks, i'll take a look at that
[00:27:27] clop: kormoc, it should be something like alsa or oss or something?
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[00:29:41] kormoc: depends on your setup, but the docs have a good default I believe
[00:30:28] Como|Lappy: Does someone have a rough estimate for how much hard drive space an hour of recording would be?
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[00:31:04] lift28: i do not have a problem editing the tables – just can not find it :(
[00:31:37] lift28: como record for a hr and check the folder for the recording – will very for different qualitys
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[00:31:51] Como|Lappy: Well, I would
[00:32:01] Como|Lappy: but I havnt built a mythTV yet
[00:32:10] Como|Lappy: its in the long term to-do list
[00:32:30] Como|Lappy: my girlfriend informed me today she wants a DVR so it might be moving to the high priority list
[00:32:57] kormoc: Como|Lappy, by default, 1.6 gb is typical iirc
[00:33:09] Como|Lappy: alright, so 2gb/hr max
[00:33:11] Como|Lappy: thats not bad
[00:33:12] kormoc: Como|Lappy, but it also depends on if you want HD or SD and what you think it acceptable
[00:33:12] janneg: Como|Lappy: SD DVB recordings take 1–3GB/hour, ivtv with standard parameters ~2GB/h
[00:33:25] kormoc: Como|Lappy, HD on the other hand... ungodly huge
[00:33:37] Como|Lappy: Definately not HD
[00:33:48] Como|Lappy: I've got a tv tuner somewhere
[00:33:50] Como|Lappy: what was it
[00:34:00] lift28: not as bad windows ati hdtv native lol
[00:34:05] D-side: kormoc: just HOW ungodly again?
[00:34:12] D-side: i'm picking up a firewire cable box tomorrow. :)
[00:34:22] kormoc: heh, xris or SlicerDicer- know exactly
[00:34:52] D-side: i'm expecting something on the order of 10gb per hour
[00:34:53] kormoc: lift28, HD doesn't change between os's, it's stright digital captures, so it should be the same on windows and linux and osx and solaris and so on
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[00:35:38] lift28: kormac-- the ati hdtv software would record in a native --raw format
[00:35:44] lift28: it was huge
[00:35:49] janneg: h264 HD is between 12–20mbit/s
[00:36:18] lift28: crappy ati software lol
[00:36:33] D-side: it has nothing to do with the software.
[00:36:46] D-side: it picks it up and dumps to disk. thats it.
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[00:37:00] lift28: sure it is raw data not transcoded
[00:37:19] D-side: that sure is one way to look at it.
[00:37:36] janneg: 20mbit/s are roughly 9GB/h
[00:37:53] ** D-side ponders a single 400gb disk, or raid0 300gbs. **
[00:37:54] kormoc: D-side, if he's being true, he's saying it's dumping as raw, unencoded video, not the mpeg-2 it is sent as
[00:38:10] lift28: janneg sounds about right
[00:38:13] Como|Lappy: hauppage pvr 150?
[00:38:28] Como|Lappy: yeah
[00:38:28] kormoc: Como|Lappy, those are the recommended default now a days
[00:38:29] kormoc: Como|Lappy, or a pvr 500
[00:38:34] Como|Lappy: I've got the 150
[00:38:47] Como|Lappy: Had it for over a year and havnt recorded a single thing
[00:38:48] D-side: kormoc: i can't believe that though.
[00:38:56] lift28: anyone want to give it a try>>got everything setup-- just have 1 dvb channel showing the wrong station- i do have the correct info for it — but cant find it in mysql to change--- removeing the adapter and reinstalling doesnt help--
[00:39:02] kormoc: D-side, yeah... seems a bit... too stupid even for ati :P
[00:39:09] D-side: kormoc: amd now!
[00:39:13] D-side: i expect great things. :)
[00:39:19] ** kormoc laughs **
[00:39:21] kormoc: we'll see
[00:39:42] lift28: i was amazed i got my pos ati hdtv to work lol- happy days
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[00:41:00] cureless: raw unencoded video is huge, more than that, specially for hdtv
[00:41:21] Como|Lappy: so say i used my pvr 150 and recorded at 12 mb/s
[00:41:26] Como|Lappy: that'd be about 2 gigs an hour?
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[00:41:38] SlicerDicer-: hour of full HDTV is about 8gb
[00:41:43] SlicerDicer-: at least on mine
[00:41:48] SlicerDicer-: 2 hours 16gb or there abouts
[00:41:56] D-side: i'm planning on cutting out commercials and transcoding. heh.
[00:41:57] Como|Lappy: And how would I go about playing back to the TV
[00:41:59] cureless: that's encoded, not raw
[00:42:04] D-side: livetv is outt of the question across my wireless. :D
[00:42:09] SlicerDicer-: D-side: Cutting commercials is not so easy with HDTV
[00:42:13] SlicerDicer-: and why transcode it?
[00:42:15] cureless: I was just commenting on the rumor that someone was talking about raw video
[00:42:17] SlicerDicer-: lose quality
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[00:42:42] D-side: why is cutting commercials out of hd recordings any more difficult than say a pvr card's output?
[00:42:44] Como|Lappy: Actually, rather- what file format does mtyhtv dump video to?
[00:43:03] cureless: Como|Lappy: depends, normally mpeg2
[00:43:39] Como|Lappy: like, AVI?
[00:43:44] Como|Lappy: we have a pinnacle
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[00:44:01] SlicerDicer-: D-side: cause for some mystery it does not work some of the time :)
[00:44:02] SlicerDicer-: thats why hehe
[00:44:13] SlicerDicer-: I dont have a answer to as why it does not xris has the same problem as well
[00:44:15] cureless: avi is not an encoding
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[00:44:24] Como|Lappy: right, i knew that
[00:44:25] D-side: bbl. going to return stuff to a store.
[00:44:29] Como|Lappy: my mind is all over the place
[00:44:33] Como|Lappy: we have this pinnacle video player
[00:44:39] Como|Lappy: plays to the TV
[00:44:47] Como|Lappy: as far as i know it will only play AVI files
[00:44:56] juski: avi is just a container format
[00:45:00] Como|Lappy: then again, all of the work is probably done on the computer
[00:45:01] juski: a shite one at that ;)
[00:45:07] Como|Lappy: yeah, i dont like it
[00:45:13] Como|Lappy: but that would be convenient
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[00:46:24] juski: they prolly use a server program (windows only) which transcodes on the fly
[00:46:42] Como|Lappy: Yeah, it relies on some server software
[00:46:46] Como|Lappy: that broadcasts
[00:46:50] Como|Lappy: it must do the work
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[00:47:01] Como|Lappy: so this could potentially be quite convenient
[00:49:02] lift28: ok all have good night i work on this tomorrow
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[00:50:20] SteveGz: Has anyone here ever successfully played 1080i onto a standard def. TV through an NVIDIA card's TV-out?
[00:50:36] SteveGz: (Scaled down to an appropriate resolution, of course.)
[00:52:44] SteveGz: Sounds like a resounding "no".  ;)
[00:52:48] juski: nah
[00:53:02] juski: don't care would be more like it
[00:53:15] juski: if anyone is even awake I mean ;)
[00:53:30] SteveGz: Yeah. I can't imagine most people would want to do that sort of thing.
[00:53:45] SteveGz: Awake? You in Europe?
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[00:53:55] juski: should be possible & quite easy if you have enough geegees in your CPU though
[00:54:22] SteveGz: Well, it works if I do it totally in software.
[00:54:34] SteveGz: But I get odd behavior with XvMC or even just Xv.
[00:54:35] juski: but not with xvmc?
[00:54:58] juski: well, xvmc is pretty much a mixed bag – YMMV etc etc etc
[00:55:03] frankrizzo: i am
[00:55:03] frankrizzo: US
[00:55:03] frankrizzo: only 8 pm here
[00:55:04] SteveGz: Same thing with mplayer as with myth, which makes me suspicious.
[00:55:19] SteveGz: Yeah, I know.
[00:55:34] SteveGz: Any way to turn off XvMC _and_ Xv for certain resolutions?
[00:55:44] juski: not sure
[00:55:46] SteveGz: (I mean, without actually hacking the code?)
[00:56:06] juski: I know you can have different video modes for playback
[00:56:25] juski: but thats all I know about it. I only ever play 720x576 max res
[00:56:26] SteveGz: Yeah. I've played with that. But there doesn't seem to be a way to turn off Xv.
[00:56:49] SteveGz: Yeah. Like I said, I know it's not exactly a typical case.
[00:56:59] juski: disable it in your video driver maybe?
[00:57:19] juski: but you'd need to restart X to notice a difference in mythtv AFAIK
[00:57:23] SteveGz: I'd like to keep it for 720p and lower resolutions, though. Works just fine for those.
[00:57:32] SteveGz: Right.
[00:58:04] juski: wouldn't have thought that Xv would have big problems downscaling tbh
[00:58:33] SteveGz: Yeah. It's weird. And mplayer has the same incorrect behavior.
[00:58:50] juski: well good luck with that. I'm off to bed
[00:58:53] juski: g'nght all
[00:58:53] SteveGz: The rightmost 20% or so of the image gets cut off.
[00:59:00] SteveGz: G'night. Thanks for the advice.
[00:59:48] frankrizzo: never knew there was a difference between those
[00:59:59] SteveGz: Between what?
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[01:37:56] fryfrog: okay, stupid ubuntu question: how do i edit menu entries?
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[02:32:48] nordle: I just installed a nova-t pci 9003 to sit alongside my nova-t 9002. Trouble is, using mythtv 0.20, the sound from the nova-t 9003 echo's, alot, its terrible, during playback and record. But recordings made with the 9002 today are fine. So could this be a hardware issue, or driver or...? Thanks for any suggestions.
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[02:46:21] clop: hi, how do you create playlists for myth audio?
[02:46:58] clop: and is there a way to get a more tree-like view of cds (directories), instead of seeing all songs flatly listed?
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[03:55:56] Z_Morek: so I have a new harddrive and I want to set up some sort of lvm
[03:56:03] Z_Morek: but I already have a ton of recordings
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[03:56:55] Z_Morek: and should I stick with xfs?
[03:58:00] D-side: sure, why not
[03:59:42] Z_Morek: well I assume my root and boot partitions should be ext3 correct?
[04:02:12] D-side: you could.
[04:02:15] D-side: you don't have to.
[04:02:25] D-side: really all i'd say you need xfs for is your recordings partition.
[04:02:30] Z_Morek: mhmm
[04:02:51] Z_Morek: well... really what it comes down to is I have partitions all set up on a hard drive
[04:02:54] Z_Morek: and I want to expand
[04:03:02] Z_Morek: so I need a plan of action
[04:03:12] D-side: well
[04:03:17] D-side: lvm can do that.
[04:03:19] Z_Morek: do I keep my root directory or scrap it for one in lvm
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[04:03:23] D-side: its a terrible plan, but you can do it.
[04:03:34] Z_Morek: well what's best?
[04:03:51] Z_Morek: I figured lvm was ideal because of the whole resizability thing
[04:04:04] D-side: really thats all up to you. I'd never put an OS disk on something that could die at any time.
[04:04:20] D-side: sure its resizeable, but if you lose one drive in that set, data goes boom.
[04:04:50] D-side: personally I'd go with a dedicated OS disk, and then an lvm'ed disk dedicated to recordings and whateverelse you've got.
[04:04:52] Z_Morek: theoretically I can use raid1
[04:04:59] D-side: if you need more space, i'm sure it would be solely for recordings.
[04:05:44] Z_Morek: well I only set aside a few gigs for my os
[04:06:00] Z_Morek: and I'm switching distros
[04:06:07] Z_Morek: to something... a little more bloated...
[04:06:15] Z_Morek: for sake of ease and desktopability
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[04:08:03] Z_Morek: and overall I don't like the idea of repartitioning if I need more space later
[04:08:44] pat_: you can always symlink stuff over the place later if you desperately need to
[04:08:57] Z_Morek: but that's quite an ugly bodge
[04:09:32] pat_: I'm not disagreeing with you
[04:09:48] pat_: all I'm saying is that if you end up not wanting what you do it isn't the end of the world
[04:10:35] Z_Morek: true
[04:10:50] Z_Morek: I also think a tinker with lvm would be good for my linux knowledge
[04:11:08] Z_Morek: it's not like my mythrig is vital
[04:11:37] Z_Morek: it's been down for like the past half year because I've just not felt like fixing the packages I broke
[04:11:50] Z_Morek: it's really just my motivation for linux administration
[04:13:47] D-side: well, like i said.
[04:14:09] D-side: you set up your os disk normally (no lvm), and then use LVM on storage disks.
[04:14:28] D-side: if you run out of space on OS partitions, you did a poor job of planning it before install.
[04:14:53] pat_: or you've upgrade debian since slink or something stupid :)
[04:16:36] Z_Morek: well with my limited administration skill
[04:16:44] Z_Morek: I'm hoping to account for poor planning
[04:16:47] Z_Morek: in the plan....
[04:17:30] D-side: heres how you get around that.
[04:17:36] D-side: get an 80gb drive
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[04:17:42] D-side: thats /
[04:17:52] D-side: done. :D
[04:18:05] D-side: 80's are cheap as hell now.
[04:18:08] Z_Morek: I guess
[04:18:15] Z_Morek: but I'd still have to go out and buy a new drive
[04:18:20] Z_Morek: on top of the two I have
[04:18:25] D-side: how big are the two you have?
[04:18:32] Z_Morek: and I don't know if the mobo I have will easily support more than 2
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[04:19:00] GreyFoxx: Weird my backend is commflagging every new recording even though I don't have commflagging enabled
[04:19:05] D-side: you make it sound like pata is bad.
[04:19:12] D-side: GreyFoxx: ew.
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[04:20:53] Z_Morek: D-side: would you prefer sata or pata for your recordings?
[04:21:08] D-side: honestly, i wouldn't care unless i had a need to.
[04:21:11] Z_Morek: and would you like raiding pata with sata
[04:21:12] D-side: i.e. available ports, etc.
[04:21:26] D-side: eh.
[04:21:37] D-side: i wouldnt use the "raid" you get onboard motherboards.
[04:21:42] D-side: all of that is garbage IMO.
[04:21:52] D-side: unless its raid0, and in that case you don't need lvm.
[04:22:20] D-side: though i *think* with lvm if you lose one drive in the vg, only the data stored on the failed disk is lost.
[04:22:34] D-side: certainly not so the case with raid0
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[04:23:08] andrew_: Hi all
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[04:24:25] russK: Anyone – Rip/Transcode DVD (mythdvd) always tells me "No jobs and nothing else to do. You could hit 0 to rip a DVD"
[04:25:06] andrew_: I know I hate it when people ask me dumb questions, so don't feel obligated, but could anybody diagnose this symptom? I run a backend in my basement, and a frontend on my laptop, when I try to connect to the backend, I can't watch live TV or recorded shows, the log says it's trying to grab the files locally
[04:26:01] andrew_: Well, I don't know if it's trying locally, but it says it can't find /video/X.mpg
[04:26:04] Z_Morek: D-side: I thought raid0 didn't involve redundancy...
[04:26:37] Z_Morek: if I'm not mistaken lvm is really just a compliment to raid
[04:28:23] russK: anyone successfully rip DVDs with mythdvd?
[04:28:32] andrew_: I do
[04:29:04] russK: it keeps telling me "No jobs and nothing else to do ..."
[04:29:18] Z_Morek: I recall a similar problem when I did it
[04:29:31] Z_Morek: I think I was like... pressing the wrong button or something EXTREMELY simple
[04:29:37] andrew_: press 0
[04:29:42] Z_Morek: took me a couple hours to figure it out
[04:29:59] russK: when I press 0 that's when it tells me no jobs
[04:30:00] andrew_: It's real odd, they have you press 0 to start the job, but it doesn't actually TELL you to press 0
[04:30:06] andrew_: ahh
[04:30:15] andrew_: Did you mark a video to rip?
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[04:30:29] russK: Yes the select box is checked
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[04:30:57] andrew_: Hi Andy
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[04:51:47] mr-z: Hi there. Quick question about Dual DVB Cards.
[04:52:15] mr-z: I'm looking at building my first MythTV box and want to make sure I get a well supported Dual DVB card.
[04:52:20] mr-z: Any suggestions?
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[04:53:17] defaultro: Slicerdicer?
[04:53:23] SlicerDicer-: tes?
[04:53:25] SlicerDicer-: err yes?
[04:54:41] defaultro: hey
[04:54:47] SlicerDicer-: hows it going?
[04:54:50] defaultro: have you watched at channel 801?
[04:54:53] defaultro: it's a pPV
[04:54:56] SlicerDicer-: ?
[04:54:59] SlicerDicer-: on Firewire?
[04:55:02] defaultro: nope
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[04:55:08] defaultro: just regular watching it
[04:55:11] PaulWay: Hi all!
[04:55:13] defaultro: it's not about mythtv :)
[04:55:19] SlicerDicer-: ohh haha
[04:55:21] defaultro: it's just about the channel
[04:55:23] defaultro: hehe
[04:55:26] SlicerDicer-: I dont watch PPV
[04:55:40] PaulWay: Anyone using MythTV with FC6 with the Xorg NVidia drivers (rather than the proprietary ones)?
[04:55:41] SlicerDicer-: I was going to say if you were watching PPV on firewire I would be shocked :)
[04:55:46] defaultro: because there is a boxing game tomorrow. Some websites says that the boxing will be telecasted in HD
[04:55:52] SlicerDicer-: PPV is set to 5C=2
[04:55:57] defaultro: k
[04:56:00] SlicerDicer-: meaning copy NEVER ;-)
[04:56:04] defaultro: gotcha
[04:56:18] SlicerDicer-: dumb ass regulations heh
[04:56:26] defaultro: however, i looked at titantv, the game was not shown as in HD
[04:56:34] SlicerDicer-: I dunno about PPV HD
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[04:56:46] defaultro: so I'm a bit confused. I invited friends to watch the game
[04:57:08] SlicerDicer-: ok
[04:57:12] ** SlicerDicer- waves at xris **
[04:57:13] defaultro: so yo have no idea?
[04:57:27] xris: heya
[04:57:31] SlicerDicer-: I have no idea about it defaultro
[04:57:35] SlicerDicer-: maybe xris knows
[04:57:58] defaultro: ok
[04:58:03] defaultro: xris?
[04:58:41] SlicerDicer-: do you know if PPV can be broadcast in HD?
[04:58:51] xris: no clue
[04:58:54] ** SlicerDicer- is away **
[04:58:57] ** defaultro is having a good time drinking wine while eating a grapes **
[04:59:01] defaultro: ok
[04:59:07] xris: "can" probably. "is" no clue
[04:59:13] defaultro: k
[04:59:23] defaultro: have you ever watched a ppv in hd though?
[05:00:21] xris: I've never watched anything in hd
[05:00:29] xris: and never watched anything ppv
[05:00:52] defaultro: ok
[05:00:59] D-side: i suggest you don't watch anything in hd
[05:01:17] D-side: the second i did, i was utterly consumed with having it.
[05:02:06] xris: D-side: I've seen HD stuff — watched clips on my monitor. I just don't care that much about tv.
[05:02:39] D-side: hell of a statement for someone as involved in mythtv as you are. :)
[05:03:00] xris: heh
[05:03:10] xris: I like the project.
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[05:03:26] D-side: hey, don't misunderstand. i'm not telling you to go away. :)
[05:03:31] xris: and it does make sense. means I can watch the stuff I *do* like *when* I want to. and without commercials.  :)
[05:03:46] ** xris curses this nuvexport bug **
[05:04:16] D-side: xris: that part i understand well enough. my problem is, the stuff i do want to watch looks *so very much better* in hd
[05:04:50] xris: D-side: most of what I watch isn't in HD
[05:05:02] xris: isn't available, that is.
[05:05:39] ** xris wonders if there will ever be an aspect ratio of less than one. **
[05:05:45] hjohnson: defaultro: why would I pay for TV?
[05:05:45] hjohnson: they already show enough crappy advertisements
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[05:06:41] PaulWay: Why does libmythavcodec-0.20.so still require execmod permissions?
[05:07:01] defaultro: ok guys, look here, http://www.indemand.com/previews/index.jsp?vId=53833_1276
[05:07:24] djperegrine: ok totem /dev/video0 works, mplayer -framedrop /dev/video0 works,
[05:07:27] defaultro: it says Available in HD. Is there a strong possibility that I will get the HD feed?
[05:07:35] defaultro: hjohnson?
[05:07:54] defaultro: I don't know what you're trying to say
[05:09:51] djperegrine: but in mythtv its really choppy
[05:09:59] djperegrine: like when I watch TV live or recorded
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[05:13:55] D-side: djperegrine: any errors in the logg?
[05:14:03] D-side: sounds like someone needs an suid mythfrontend
[05:14:53] djperegrine: the mythbackend log?
[05:16:08] D-side: you could sudo it, sure.
[05:16:15] D-side: i'm talking about from say the controlling terminal.
[05:16:22] D-side: pop up an xterm and run mythfrontend for it.
[05:16:34] D-side: see what errors are going on when playback is stuttered
[05:16:37] djperegrine: yea
[05:16:39] djperegrine: ok
[05:17:00] djperegrine: it can't find XvMc because I have a ATI card but that is ok
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[05:21:16] degreseven: mythtv freezes after watching livetv for a couple hours or so, I just have to exit back to the menu & select "watch tv" again & then it's fine. I'm using a hauppauge pvr150 with ivtv 0.8 (i had same prob with 0.7) any ideas?
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[05:32:20] Cardoe: fryfrog: gave up on Gentoo
[05:32:32] djperegrine: good :D
[05:32:40] monkeypet: fryfrog, fedora good!
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[05:32:44] djperegrine: gentoo is hella stupid
[05:32:53] djperegrine: I am on ubuntu its noice
[05:33:03] djperegrine: but maybe thats why myth is sucking lol
[05:34:38] Cardoe: fryfrog: ?
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[05:35:54] djperegrine: can I use alsa in mythtv?
[05:36:15] morten_: djperegrine: alsamixer, you mean?
[05:36:33] GreyFoxx: djperegrine: For output yes you can
[05:36:41] djperegrine: the equalivant of using -ao alsa
[05:36:54] morten_: you can use alsa for output with mythtv same as you can with any other application that outputs sound...
[05:37:57] djperegrine: yea but its using OSS
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[05:38:15] GreyFoxx: bydefault it will
[05:38:21] GreyFoxx: you have to configure it to use Alsa
[05:38:32] djperegrine: yea where is that option
[05:38:52] morten_: do any of you lirc gawds know if there's some reasonably easy way to switch between modes on a remote control? i'm not sure if the remote is made with that in mind (unlike a logitech harmony, for instance), but can lirc do it? basically i want two completely separate configs: one for mythtv/mplayer and one for mpd/mpc. can it be done?
[05:39:09] morten_: djperegrine: did you have a look in settings?
[05:39:37] djperegrine: I did but I am going to look again
[05:39:41] GreyFoxx: djperegrine: Change the device from /dev/dsp to ALSA:default
[05:39:43] morten_: actually, for what application is this? as far as i know, mythtv itself doesn't output any sound
[05:39:49] GreyFoxx: and set the mixer to "default"
[05:40:09] morten_: if you want to use alsa for mplayer, you can set that in config (ao alsa) or change the command myth executes (add -ao alsa)
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[05:40:21] djperegrine: no no not mplayer I mean in mythtv
[05:40:30] GreyFoxx: morten_: Ummm myth has it's own player
[05:40:36] djperegrine: yea
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[05:40:44] morten_: yea. so then he'd want to set it for the myth player
[05:40:53] morten_: mythtv itself has fuck all to do with this
[05:41:30] GreyFoxx: If you wants to use ALSA output he tells myth to use ALSA output, just like if you want to force mplayer to use alsa to tell it to
[05:42:19] morten_: meh. i'm not gonna bother arguing semantics.
[05:42:57] morten_: but mythtv doesn't play video any more than mutt composes emails.
[05:43:42] GreyFoxx: Yes, it does. myth hasit's own internal player for playback of all recordings, and the same internal; player can beused in mythvideo and mythdvd
[05:43:54] GreyFoxx: Myth doesn't spawn an external app to play recordings
[05:44:10] morten_: is it a part of /usr/bin/mythfrontend, or a separate binary?
[05:44:20] djperegrine: I still can't find the option
[05:44:32] morten_: let me go turn on my tv...
[05:44:40] GreyFoxx: morten_: "mythtv" is the player
[05:44:50] morten_: okay.
[05:44:57] morten_: djperegrine: why do you even want to use the internal player?
[05:45:07] GreyFoxx: though both the "mythtv" binary and the frontend just spawn the same libraries
[05:45:40] GreyFoxx: You can't use another player for playing recordings unless you are playing them via Mythvideo
[05:46:11] djperegrine: OH I foundit!
[05:46:18] morten_: mplayer won't play your recordings?
[05:47:17] GreyFoxx: morten_: mplayer the application will yess, but you can't make the system spawn it from the WAtch recordings menu. Only way youcould do it would be by using mythvideo to spawn mplayer
[05:47:50] morten_: is that on purpose, or has no one gotten around to fixing it yet?
[05:47:53] GreyFoxx: though I wont even get into transcoded recordings and .nuv files
[05:47:57] djperegrine: 2006-11–17 21:51:41.135 Opening ALSA audio device 'defualt'.
[05:47:57] djperegrine: ALSA lib pcm.c:2146:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM defualt
[05:47:57] djperegrine: 2006-11–17 21:51:41.151 AudioOutput Error: snd_pcm_open(defualt): No such file or directory
[05:48:11] djperegrine: I think the mixer isn't right
[05:48:22] GreyFoxx: It's not broken, livetv and recordings use the internal player
[05:48:25] morten_: does alsa work with mplayer?
[05:48:30] GreyFoxx: the same internal player can be used in other places
[05:48:43] morten_: GreyFoxx: i'm violently opposed to the mere concept of an internal player
[05:48:45] GreyFoxx: I use the internal player for everything, including mythdvd and mythvideo
[05:48:46] djperegrine: yea alsa works in mplayer
[05:48:55] Captain_Murdoch: morten_: then go use Freevo
[05:48:55] morten_: so obviously, the fact that you can't easily choose an external one doesn't sit well with me
[05:48:58] GreyFoxx: djperegrine: You mispelling default for the mixer
[05:49:01] djperegrine: OMG
[05:49:02] djperegrine: haha
[05:49:17] GreyFoxx: Captain_Murdoch: I think I got the upnp 100% backend problem
[05:49:22] morten_: Captain_Murdoch: i can live with it being there, since i can easily use mplayer to play back my movies
[05:49:37] Captain_Murdoch: GreyFoxx: cool. I've almost got Storage Groups v1 ready.
[05:49:42] GreyFoxx: sweet
[05:49:48] morten_: but i don't see the point in it, when you could rather call on a better external player
[05:50:23] GreyFoxx: I wasmessing with it today at work and found another problem while tracking that one down so both are fixed now
[05:50:25] morten_: you know, the whole "write programs that do one thing and do it well" concept?
[05:50:34] GreyFoxx: I might put the fix into 0.20-fixes
[05:50:50] Captain_Murdoch: integrated == better
[05:50:56] morten_: hell no
[05:51:05] morten_: trying to do everything = recipe for disaster
[05:51:07] GreyFoxx: morten_: Originally myth used it's own format that no other apps played
[05:51:22] GreyFoxx: and honestly I preferr using one player for everything
[05:51:30] GreyFoxx: my OSD is consistant, my controls are consistant, etc
[05:51:40] GreyFoxx: and since I'm happy with the Internal player it works for me :)
[05:51:56] morten_: yes. i also prefer using one player. but i prefer that be a player that's been developed for years, and is rock solid. like mplayer.
[05:52:12] GreyFoxx: morten_: Then like he said,try out freevo, it might be moreto your liking
[05:52:16] Captain_Murdoch: I'm sure Tivo runs mplayer also, after all, why write your own player when you could use another one....
[05:52:43] morten_: dude. stop being anal. i'm perfectly comfortable with mythtv. i just don't like the concept of an internal player.
[05:52:46] morten_: which is why i don't use it.
[05:53:05] Captain_Murdoch: if you watch TV at all you use it
[05:53:22] GreyFoxx: unless you are pointing mythvideo at your recordings
[05:53:25] morten_: i haven't set up a capture card yet. but when i will, i'll work around the internal player.
[05:54:05] morten_: Captain_Murdoch: your analogy about Tivo makes no sense
[05:54:47] Captain_Murdoch: do that and say bye-bye to commercial skip, timestretch, cutlists and cutlist editting, the EPG, the OSD menu, and everything else that makes Myth a great DVR.
[05:54:56] morten_: for one thing it would mean them using GPL'd code. i'm not sure if they already do that or not, but it might pose issues they're not comfortable with.
[05:55:11] Captain_Murdoch: they use Linux.
[05:55:22] morten_: what player do they use?
[05:55:30] GreyFoxx: their own that they wrote :)
[05:55:32] Captain_Murdoch: they're own custom one
[05:55:55] GreyFoxx: which takes advatange of the onboard decoder/tvout hardware
[05:55:55] morten_: there's nothing wrong with a custom player. but it should be external.
[05:56:31] Captain_Murdoch: ah, so instead of linking in the library, you have to create an external binary and do a system() or fork()/exec() call?
[05:56:38] morten_: especially when it comes to software such as mythtv, so it's modular and easy for the user to pick and choose which player he'd like to use
[05:56:58] Captain_Murdoch: that's a laugh. you lose all the features if you use an external player.
[05:57:00] GreyFoxx: Captain_Murdoch: Adn setup/tear down ipc shared memory to excchanging info!
[05:57:14] morten_: why is that, Captain_Murdoch?
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[05:57:38] Captain_Murdoch: GreyFoxx: you beat me to it, I was about to mention things like that and passing control to the app so it accepts events, etc..
[05:58:10] Captain_Murdoch: morten_: all the above things I mentioned like commercail skip will not work in any external player you hack in.
[05:58:33] morten_: and why is that? if the external player is built with support for those things, i see no reason why it wouldn't work just as well.
[05:58:57] GreyFoxx: lolol
[05:59:10] GreyFoxx: I'm leaving this ridiculous conversation, night night :)
[05:59:22] morten_: hell, why don't we build everything into one binary?
[05:59:32] morten_: i'm gonna go compile /bin/linux right now, and delete everything else
[05:59:40] morten_: it'll be awesome
[05:59:43] D-side: wow.
[05:59:49] D-side: maybe its my bedtime too
[05:59:55] Captain_Murdoch: that's what libraries are for, have you ever done an ls of /usr/local/lib/mythtv?
[06:00:05] Captain_Murdoch: you're hillarious.
[06:00:28] morten_: you still haven't answered my question.
[06:01:19] morten_: why would it be any different, in regards to features, if myth called on an external player?
[06:01:25] Captain_Murdoch: you already answered it earlier when you asked why write your own player when there is another that has been around and tested.
[06:01:39] morten_: provided that external player supports the features in question, obviously
[06:02:12] morten_: well? why would it?
[06:02:15] morten_: do you even have an answer?
[06:03:32] Captain_Murdoch: why would what? you said it doesn't make sense to reinvent the wheel. myth has an internal player because it needs a player with all the features a nice DVR has. why make it external so people can make other players and reinvent the same featureset?
[06:04:01] Captain_Murdoch: an external player complicates things immensely.
[06:04:09] morten_: because bundling software that performs different tasks together invites trouble
[06:04:34] Captain_Murdoch: that's a laugh. a DVR is by nature a player/recorder. those are the main tasks.
[06:04:53] morten_: small programs, that perform specialized tasks, and interact with each other can do the same job, just as well, and with less risk of fuckups
[06:05:00] Captain_Murdoch: if you want a hobbled together system, freevo is the way to go.
[06:05:19] morten_: it's the same concept as in modern business
[06:05:23] Captain_Murdoch: that's the thing, they can't interact with each other enough. look at why freevo can't do all the nice thing that Myth does.
[06:05:33] xris: morten_: except that they can't, or mythtv devs wouldn't have had to write the internal player.
[06:05:41] morten_: why can't they?
[06:05:50] xris: morten_: you'd have to take that up with the folks who write them
[06:06:07] morten_: no. why can't they interact well enough?
[06:06:25] xris: um, that's the question I was answering.
[06:06:50] xris: they don't/can't.. I don't know why, that's not the concern.
[06:07:13] Captain_Murdoch: morten_: you're pretty clueless aren't you? have you ever done any real coding?
[06:07:26] morten_: some
[06:07:32] Captain_Murdoch: not enough evidently
[06:07:33] morten_: but honestly. fuck you and your holier-than-thou attitude
[06:07:41] GreyFoxx: lol
[06:07:47] GreyFoxx: Someone needs to look in a mirror :)
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[06:08:09] Captain_Murdoch: that's the way I get when people spout off at the mouth about things they know nothing about.
[06:08:13] morten_: why? because i prefer small, specialized apps?
[06:08:26] Captain_Murdoch: you think the player would be small?
[06:08:27] morten_: yes, really. i should do some serious soul-searching.
[06:08:41] xris: morten_: apparently because you prefer small, specialized apps that don't do the job properly, to larger "bloated" apps that actually do what they're supposed to.
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[06:08:53] djperegrine: ok now when I try to use livetv I get WriteAudio: buffer underrun
[06:09:00] Captain_Murdoch: maybe we should split apart libavcodec into the encoder parts and decoder parts because it doesn't make sense to combine them into one library.
[06:09:01] djperegrine: and it still lags/ is choppy
[06:09:02] morten_: that all depends what functionality you want, doesn't it?
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[06:09:06] thedward: Captain_Murdoch: see, the player wouldn't even have to be one app; You could have fast forward be one app, and the osd another, etc. it would be great. :)
[06:09:25] Captain_Murdoch: thedward: yeah, great. and a different app for each keypress.
[06:09:33] thedward: Captain_Murdoch: exactly!
[06:09:34] Captain_Murdoch: :)
[06:09:37] xris: morten_: yes, it does. that's exactly the point.
[06:09:57] xris: if all you wanted was an app to watch movie files, you could use mplayer or xine
[06:10:55] morten_: Captain_Murdoch: if you're gonna use sarcasm, at least try to hit the mark
[06:10:57] xris: if you wanted an app to record TV from a v4l card, or pvr-x50, or from firewire (and change channels!) or from a dvb card, *and* play movies, *and* deal with the recording inconsistencies and AV sync issues created by the v4l recording problems, you couldn't.
[06:10:59] Captain_Murdoch: thedward: that way you could substite in your own binary for the standard "user_pressed_key_CTRL_X_on_the_LiveTV_EPG_Screen", just make sure you don't accidentilly call it "user_pressed_key_CTRL_X_on_the_Scheduler_EPG_Screen" or else it won't do what you want it to do.
[06:11:58] xris: oh, and remember that this is 5 years ago, too...
[06:12:09] Captain_Murdoch: morten_: we'll await your patch to make the player external so you can use mplayer. by the time you get it done I'll need another good laugh.
[06:12:30] ** xris is still waiting for an mplayer that can actually play nuv files properly **
[06:12:30] morten_: k
[06:12:39] Captain_Murdoch: make sure your external player implements all the features that the internal player does.
[06:12:53] morten_: of course.
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[06:15:27] morten_: is there a simple way to display output on the telly when lirc performs an operation?
[06:15:38] Captain_Murdoch: xosd
[06:16:16] morten_: thanks
[06:16:30] Captain_Murdoch: yw
[06:22:12] k-man: morten_, out of interest, what operations are you wanting to display on the tv?
[06:23:29] morten_: text. next, previous, pause, play etc
[06:23:42] morten_: in connection with mpd events
[06:24:49] morten_: well, lirc events. i want to display those along with the commands passed to mpc.
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[06:28:22] morten_: is this xosd the easiest way to do this?
[06:29:33] k-man: morten_, so are you trying to replace mythmusic with mpd?
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[06:30:06] morten_: i've never used mythmusic. and i really like mpd, so i'm sticking with it.
[06:30:47] morten_: i have no problem with mythmusic, but i like controlling my playlist from my laptop, and then being able to disconnect the client
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[06:32:49] morten_: i'm sure you can export mythmusic to a remote x session, but i'd rather just use mpd
[06:33:31] xris: yeah, mythmusic's not so good at the non-local stuff
[06:33:48] xris: may someday get that into mythweb, but it's pretty low on the priority list
[06:34:02] xris: (in my case, it's easier to just use itunes and the airport express)
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[06:34:15] morten_: i don't see the point, when there's already several applications out there who do that already
[06:34:18] xris: or mpg321 in a screen
[06:34:27] xris: morten_: mainly for consistency.
[06:34:28] morten_: might as well just add mpd/xmms2 support in mythtv
[06:34:59] xris: except that those can't be controlled easily via a remote
[06:35:08] xris: controlled/configured
[06:35:37] morten_: mpd can be controlled just fine using mpc commands. mpc is commandline, so it's very easy to set up using irexec.
[06:36:01] morten_: and if someone were to create an mpd client for mythtv, i don't see why that would be any more difficult than the current setup
[06:36:11] xris: but you'd then need an active ssh connection from the backend if you wanted to control it remotely
[06:36:40] morten_: what do you mean?
[06:36:56] xris: say you wanted to sync all 5 frontends to play the same stuff simultaneously
[06:37:03] morten_: yea...
[06:37:35] xris: (I'm just playing devil's advocate here.. I actually don't think very highly of mythmusic at all)
[06:37:50] morten_: i don't know how to do that, honestly. perhaps mpd clients can be set up to broadcast commands to several mpd instances.
[06:37:57] morten_: i'm sure it can be done, somehow
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[06:38:19] xris: only thing I know of that can do it properly is the squeezebox
[06:38:33] morten_: frankly, though, i don't see how a remote control factors into it beyond simple commands like next, prev etc.
[06:38:46] xris: anyway, mythmusic is sort of a dead project, too.. No one actively maintains it. Isaac just makes sure that it actually runs/compiles, but doesn't add new features.
[06:38:58] morten_: navigating thousands of songs and setting up playlists with a bloody remote control doesn't appeal to me at all
[06:39:01] xris: morten_: um, the whole point of a media box is that you don't need a kb to control it
[06:39:11] morten_: well, good luck
[06:39:21] xris: and no, it doesn't appeal to everyone..
[06:39:35] xris: same reason I wrote mythweb. I don't like using the frontend to browse program listings to find shows to record.
[06:39:59] morten_: sure, you can do it. binding the numbers on the remote to letters so you can search for artists etc, it's doable
[06:40:20] xris: morten_: and mythmusic's interface is pretty good at it
[06:40:33] morten_: it's not too bad at all
[06:40:41] morten_: but i have a laptop, so i might as well just drag and drop
[06:40:45] morten_: it's definitely faster
[06:41:00] xris: and that's why many people use mythweb to set up playlists, etc.
[06:41:07] xris: but can't help with the remote playing stuff.
[06:41:09] xris: would be nice if it could.
[06:41:28] morten_: couldn't you export mythweb?
[06:41:35] xris: export?
[06:41:45] morten_: to a remote x session
[06:41:54] xris: mythweb is a web interface
[06:42:00] xris: you don't need to export anything
[06:42:17] morten_: i think we're talking past each other
[06:42:33] xris: the music interface in mythweb is a tweaked version of mp3act
[06:43:21] morten_: never tried it. any good?
[06:43:49] xris: since mythmusic is stagnant, the ability for a remote app to control the music player in the frontend just isn't there.. people have talked about it and many have started working on bits of it, but nothing has actually come to fruition.
[06:43:55] xris: mp3act looks decent.
[06:44:02] xris: I don't use mythtv to listen to music, though.
[06:44:24] morten_: i would like it if someone were to make an mpd frontend for running inside mythtv
[06:44:25] xris: and my wife uses her ibook to play to the airport express, which bypasses myth completely.
[06:44:54] morten_: but for now i just use gmpc from my laptop, which passes commands to mpd on the media centre
[06:45:03] xris: there was a mfd port for awhile that was supposed to work like that, but work stopped
[06:45:19] morten_: mfd?
[06:45:22] xris: the goal was to get the media files off of the frontend and do all of the streaming from the backend
[06:45:27] xris: myth frontend daemon
[06:45:36] xris: like mpd but could handle all media types that the frontend can
[06:46:14] xris: right now, the backend only handles the recorded tv files. mythmusic/video/etc are "frontend-only" apps.. media files need to be mounted locally
[06:46:48] xris: makes plug & play frontends (e.g. bootable mythfrontend on a usb stick) not feasible.
[06:46:50] morten_: well, you can stream the audio back, but it's kind of ugly
[06:46:53] GreyFoxx: If I have my way that might change. I've been playing my mythvideo stuff at work via upnp streaming from the backend for thelast couple days :)
[06:47:08] xris: GreyFoxx: that's awesome..
[06:47:37] GreyFoxx: yeah, overall worked better than Iexpected. I just had to fix a couple bugs first
[06:47:53] morten_: running mpd on a backend does appeal to me, though
[06:48:00] xris: would be nice to get that done. I really need to spend some time getting mythvideo set up
[06:48:07] GreyFoxx: fixed the upnp 100% cpu bug tonight, and a couple other things
[06:48:14] xris: checked in?
[06:48:18] morten_: how difficult would it be to direct the audio output to a remote computer (i.e. the frontend)?
[06:48:18] GreyFoxx: yup
[06:48:28] GreyFoxx: xris: I could reproduce it at will
[06:48:34] xris: cool
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[06:48:41] GreyFoxx: found afew bugs while I was tracking that one down heh
[06:48:46] xris: I'll rebuild
[06:48:57] GreyFoxx: If you still see it after you update let me know
[06:49:04] GreyFoxx: for far I can't reproduce it again
[06:49:16] xris: I haven't messed with upnp at all
[06:49:21] xris: I don't even build the plugins anymore
[06:49:25] GreyFoxx: an offby 1 error which cause and infinite loop in one of the threads
[06:49:38] GreyFoxx: I use mythvideo all the time
[06:49:41] GreyFoxx: the wifeuses mythmusic
[06:49:51] xris: I could never get mythvideo to stick on directory mode.
[06:50:06] xris: every time I brought it up, it would show me a blank list of my video dir.. no filenames, no covers, no nothing
[06:50:14] GreyFoxx: and I've been playing with mytharchive now. that with some customjobs to suck down recordings from the office backend and import them into my machine
[06:50:14] xris: made it hard to pick out what it was supposed to play
[06:50:42] GreyFoxx: so for the rare occassion I run out of tuners I can setup the work machine to record a show andit auto pulls down to me after it's done
[06:50:48] xris: heh
[06:51:03] xris: so glad nuvexport is working again in fc6...
[06:51:13] xris: I need to spend an hour or two cutting commercials out of my backlog now. heh
[06:51:23] GreyFoxx: I get 10mbit back to the office, so itworks well
[06:51:29] xris: nice
[06:51:33] xris: you suck. heh
[06:51:38] GreyFoxx: hehe :P
[06:53:17] GreyFoxx: I love my isp I gotta say. always rock solid and speedy. Atleast tothe places I connect to anyway
[06:53:32] xris: heh
[06:53:49] xris: I don't mind comcast (business line)... could always be faster, though.
[06:53:55] GreyFoxx: And the fact that I helped set it up years ago makes it near and dear to my heart heh
[06:54:15] ** xris wishes that wrapping a compile with `nice -n19` would actually have a noticeable effect **
[06:54:30] GreyFoxx: distcc ?:)
[06:54:32] k-man: i never realised mythweb did music stuff
[06:54:38] k-man: ie for managing playlists
[06:54:40] xris: GreyFoxx: only one 64bit machine
[06:54:44] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[06:55:03] xris: k-man: the music stuff always kind of sucked until someone sent me a good patch to put into .20
[06:55:17] xris: 196% cpu usage. yay
[06:55:43] k-man: xris, interesting
[06:56:08] k-man: hmm... can't access my files through mythweb, i must have some permission problems
[06:56:51] xris: k-man: auth enabled in mythweb?
[06:57:10] ** GreyFoxx heads back to bed **
[06:57:20] k-man: auth?
[06:57:41] xris: k-man: login
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[06:57:48] xris: I'll take that as a "no' though
[06:58:05] k-man: sorry... not quite sure what your asking
[06:58:29] xris: just asking if you enabled the authentication stuff in mythweb (which you SHOULD do if you have it on a publicly-accessible IP)
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[06:59:56] k-man: its not publicly accessible
[07:00:01] k-man: but i should anwyay
[07:00:04] k-man: haven't yet
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[07:00:56] xris: stupid shell control-w to delete last word
[07:01:11] xris: anyway, next thing to check is that mythweb's data dir is writable/owned by the userid for your webserver
[07:01:22] xris: and finally that your music dirs are, too
[07:01:32] xris: (mythweb will put a symlink to them into its data dir)
[07:01:52] k-man: ok
[07:01:53] k-man: thanks
[07:01:54] k-man: ill check
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[07:06:45] k-man: xris,
[07:07:19] k-man: i found that /var/www/mythweb/data/music points to a non existant directory
[07:07:33] xris: kill the symlink and reload mythweb
[07:07:36] xris: or just fix the link
[07:08:26] belarm: so, i have a collection of encoded video files on cd's & dvd's, and i'd like to be able to pop in one of these discs, and have something useful happen (ideally, mythvideo or mythgallery style browsing of the files on the disc)
[07:08:33] k-man: ok
[07:08:42] belarm: i have autofs set up and working, but i'm not really sure where to go from here
[07:08:49] k-man: xris, so it should just point to wherever i keep my music?
[07:09:02] xris: k-man: should point to the music root directory defined for mythmusic
[07:09:06] belarm: any suggestions?
[07:10:30] xris: SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value="MusicLocation" AND hostname= (your hostname)
[07:10:33] xris: k-man: ^^
[07:11:05] mchou: damn APC UPS
[07:11:20] mchou: propritary cables
[07:12:05] mchou: those guys ought to be shot for pulling a stunt like that
[07:12:37] xris: not exactly an uncommon occurrence
[07:12:54] belarm: which cables, exactly, are proprietary on your UPS?
[07:12:55] mchou: nope, but ridiculous nevertheless
[07:13:21] mchou: belarm: an old smartups someone gave me for "free"
[07:13:35] xris: belarm: presumably the one with a usb plug on one end and an rj11 (or 45) plug on the other
[07:13:36] mchou: belarm: had to replacethe batteries :)
[07:13:37] djperegrine: what is a good nvideo card with TV-out and XvMC for cheap?
[07:14:08] belarm: mchou: ahh..yes, i've seen those, and yes, it is quite ridiculous
[07:14:08] mchou: xris: nah, the serial ones. no usb on this oldi :)
[07:14:18] xris: heh
[07:15:22] mchou: anyway, made my own cable for about $5. but it was a PITA
[07:15:41] mchou: had to go get stupid parts from frys
[07:15:53] mchou: cost me about $100 in time
[07:16:13] xris: good thing time is free.  ;0
[07:16:14] belarm: aww, but making your own cables is always fun
[07:16:14] xris: ;)
[07:16:25] mchou: screw that
[07:16:36] mchou: that's not myidea of fun
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[07:16:57] mchou: I'd much rather be building REAl circuits for fun
[07:17:07] livesN[bo: hey guys — anyone have any experience with DVB cards and either digital cable or Dish Network ?
[07:17:08] belarm: i've often pondered how much money i could make if i could just stand outside consumer electronics stores and peddle USB cables made to length to people
[07:17:16] mchou: lol
[07:17:24] belarm: since the stores make about a 95% margin on those things, i'd imagine i could do pretty well
[07:17:39] xris: the store? unlikely
[07:17:45] belarm: ::nods::
[07:17:51] mchou: belarm: I go to surplus stores to get usb cables. 99c/each
[07:18:08] belarm: that $20 6' cable? costs the store 87 cents
[07:18:30] mchou: belarm: you have the invoice price?
[07:18:32] belarm: a good plan, mchou, but not everyone is so smart, or so inclined
[07:18:57] xris: belarm: store gets the cable from a distributor.
[07:19:05] mchou: the belkin gold plated usb cables kill me :)
[07:19:07] belarm: mchou: i've seen them before, yes. used to work the floor at one of those dreaded stores
[07:19:14] xris: stores can only mark things up so much. distributor marks it up, manufacturer marks it up, etc..
[07:19:36] livesN[bo: anyone? DVB Cards?
[07:20:01] belarm: i know...but even after the fab. & middleman markup, stores litterally make ~95% margin on those things; and yeah, the "gold-plated" cables were always my favorite
[07:20:15] xris: belarm: things must have changed a lot since I worked retail
[07:20:29] xris: it's certainly not like that in the VAR/OEM market
[07:20:47] belarm: xris: no, most merch is still ~30% margin..but all the "add-ons" in consumer electronics are where the store really makes their money
[07:20:58] mchou: belarm: lemme guess, you worked at Best Buy? :)
[07:21:21] mchou: belarm: didnt push enough extended warranties? :)
[07:21:35] livesN[bo: wow I could have sworn this channel was about MythTV
[07:21:40] belarm: i won't say which i worked for, but suffice to say they weren't *quite* as bad as BB
[07:21:54] mchou: belarm: yeah, BB is worst buy
[07:22:06] xris: livesN[bo: only sometimes.. and only when people ask legal questions
[07:22:16] livesN[bo: xris – this is an illegal question ?
[07:22:25] xris: decoding dishnet is not legal
[07:22:28] belarm: mchou: and, no, i never pushed the "service plans" (they're not technically waranties) unless i thought the customer could rip the company off with it
[07:22:33] xris: and digital cable in the US doesn't use dvb
[07:22:38] livesN[bo: Of course it is if you do it legally..
[07:22:46] xris: livesN[bo: there is no "legally"
[07:22:52] livesN[bo: Dish Network released a DVB card with Adaptec..
[07:23:00] xris: livesN[bo: when?
[07:23:06] livesN[bo: man... it's sad when I know more than the guys "hanging out" in #mythtv.
[07:23:11] mchou: lol
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[07:23:46] mchou: guys in #mythtv dunno jack about HW :)
[07:24:21] belarm: it's not sad to know more than the people in a support channel about your support issue...at least I hope not, because it's certainly happened to me a few times
[07:24:47] xris: livingtm: seriously.. when did they do this?
[07:24:51] ** belarm knows a itty bit about hardware **
[07:24:59] ** belarm has no idea, xris **
[07:25:11] xris: oh, he left
[07:25:45] mchou: xris: I doubt if there are linux drivers available anyways :)
[07:26:06] xris: regardless.. would be curious to know...
[07:26:26] mchou: xris: it's probably on the adaptec site :)
[07:26:58] xris: you'd think google would turn something up about it
[07:27:06] mchou: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Adaptec-Hauppauge-Win . . . p/B00005148T
[07:27:08] ** belarm needs to have 2 seperate mythvideo plugins, perhaps...one for media on the HD, one for removable media **
[07:27:09] mchou: lol
[07:27:21] mchou: whene did adaptec buy Happauge?
[07:27:31] mchou: Hauppauge*?
[07:27:36] belarm: mchou: news to me...
[07:27:58] xris: mchou: that's not a dishnetwork one
[07:28:24] mchou: xris: read that link CAREFULLY
[07:28:36] mchou: xris: you'll get a kick out of it
[07:28:36] xris: mchou: I see the name, yes
[07:28:50] mchou: xris: no the description :)
[07:29:31] mchou: Is amazon usually that bad?
[07:30:15] mchou: I mean I fail to see how a SCSI card gets to be transmongrified into a DVB card :)
[07:30:33] xris: mchou: oh, lol
[07:32:54] mchou: anyway, I'm not finding this adaptec dvb card on google
[07:33:12] mchou: that's the real myth(ical) card
[07:33:22] xris: yeah
[07:33:32] ** belarm groans **
[07:33:39] xris: I heard rumors once that dtv had once released one, but not dish
[07:36:01] mchou: belarm: what's the differnce betw. a "service plan" and extended warranty?
[07:36:14] belarm: semantics and market speak
[07:36:49] mchou: you can weasel outta a service plan easier? :)
[07:36:52] xris: actually, I think that "warranty" has legal implications
[07:37:04] belarm: it does, xris
[07:37:05] xris: "guarantee" is another magic word, too
[07:38:43] mchou: so I've been borroeing "6 ft. Under" DVDs from my library......
[07:39:07] mchou: season 4 epi 1 has been a real disappointment so far
[07:39:20] belarm: that show kinda went downhill, as i remember
[07:39:33] mchou: and I had to wait 6 wks b4 getting season 4
[07:39:41] belarm: netflix, dude
[07:40:03] mchou: I've never used netflix on dvd seasons
[07:40:05] ** xris gets free netflix from work for the 1 movie/month he wants to rent **
[07:40:24] mchou: do you get the whole season at once or only one DVD?
[07:40:33] mchou: (via netflix)
[07:40:35] xris: one dvd is one dvd
[07:40:41] belarm: just one at a time, unfortunately
[07:40:57] belarm: but if you have unlimited rentals, i understand they're great for TV on DVD
[07:40:58] mchou: my library lends the whole season :)
[07:41:10] xris: heh
[07:41:19] mchou: no stupid a la carte BS
[07:41:32] xris: my library locked me out
[07:41:35] xris: well, county library
[07:41:37] mchou: huh?
[07:41:38] belarm: if you can get them that way, most excellent...but netflix tends to have stuff in stock
[07:41:50] xris: county library locked out seattle residents from placing holds
[07:42:05] mchou: xris: what kind of BS is that?
[07:42:16] xris: city residents don't pay county library taxes
[07:42:24] mchou: shit!
[07:42:34] mchou: they playing that BS game
[07:42:38] xris: and the city apparently doesn't pay the county enough to cover the costs incurred by handling hold requests for its residents
[07:42:48] mchou: no interlibrary loans then?
[07:42:56] xris: not between city and county, no
[07:43:08] xris: only between branches of the same library system
[07:43:10] mchou: man, that's dysfunctional
[07:43:29] belarm: that reminds me, i need to see if my IU staff status will allow me access to all their libraries
[07:43:29] mchou: some bad bllod betw. county and city
[07:43:42] mchou: blood*
[07:43:46] ** belarm chuckles at the mention of library politics **
[07:44:11] belarm: i did some development work with an IT librarian...those people have their own little world, with a complex social strata
[07:44:15] xris: well, it's apparently just a matter of $$
[07:44:35] xris: if city residents don't pay taxes that support the county library, the county sees no reason they should provide the same level of service
[07:44:48] mchou: xris: I dont get it. residents pay both city and county taxes, no?
[07:44:54] belarm: wow, that's actually reasonable...how boring
[07:45:30] xris: mchou: but not taxes designated for library use, apparently
[07:45:50] xris: I think it's all covered on property tax levies
[07:46:29] mchou: property tax goes to county and city, no?
[07:47:01] mchou: I mean they each get a percentage, no?
[07:47:14] xris: it's divided up into individual levies
[07:47:19] xris: probably hundreds
[07:48:04] mchou: here we have both county and city libraries, and they are both generous
[07:48:14] mchou: no bad blood here
[07:48:18] xris: well, this county/city thing is new. just kicked in last month
[07:48:31] xris: they're trying to work something out to restore service to city residents, but there's a lack of money
[07:48:44] mchou: except the stupid librarian that keeps buying "full screen" DVDs
[07:48:55] xris: heh
[07:49:25] mchou: I flamed her ass by writing to the head librarian
[07:49:48] mchou: my jist was "full screen"==censorship.
[07:49:57] mchou: that got their attention
[07:50:27] mchou: no we are having public hearings on DVD formats
[07:50:32] mchou: now*
[07:50:36] mchou: no joke
[07:51:25] mchou: I also said "full screen" was abridgement
[07:52:02] mchou: I think the ppl finally got the point
[07:52:49] juski: it's sizist discrimination ;)
[07:53:07] mchou: lol
[07:53:34] mchou: maybe my g/f ought to ask for "full screen" in bed :)
[07:54:00] xris: heh
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[07:59:20] PaulWay: We're nearly there. I just need to work out how to enable XVideo for MythTV playback to be smooth.
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[08:26:35] PaulWay: mchou: What do you mean by a "full screen" DVD?
[08:28:10] xris: PaulWay: as opposed to anamorphic
[08:28:16] xris: pan & scan
[08:28:21] xris: crop & zoom, etc.
[08:28:44] PaulWay: Ah, I see – so the DVD just contains the 4:3 version.
[08:29:20] xris: yeah
[08:29:32] ** xris wishes he could put multiple directories into mythvideo's scan **
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[08:30:50] xris: hmm, I suspect that juski never made a mythvideo theme for PG
[08:31:16] ille: xris: symbol link to the second dir from the first works for me.
[08:31:33] xris: ille: yes. was trying to avoid that
[08:31:46] xris: since I don't want a "tv" link in my "movies" dir (or vice versa)
[08:31:54] PaulWay: Should I have to do anything to activate XVideo support with the nvidia drivers?
[08:32:05] juski: xris: I did, but I never quite got the hang of the list view
[08:32:18] xris: list works fine. it's "browse" that looks like crap for me
[08:32:29] juski: what's up with it xris?
[08:32:37] xris: let me get a screenshot
[08:32:39] juski: could you pop a screenshot up?
[08:32:41] juski: yay
[08:33:17] juski: I've heard about people having issues (which has allegedly stopped it going into svn) but I can't do anything about it unless I know :)
[08:33:53] xris: http://forevermore.net/files/screen.png and http://forevermore.net/files/screen2.png
[08:34:06] xris: first shows some weird color glitches everywhere in the them (right hand side in the black)
[08:34:12] xris: second is mythvideo browse mode
[08:34:12] juski: not found
[08:34:20] xris: screen1
[08:34:21] xris: sorry
[08:34:24] xris: http://forevermore.net/files/screen1.png
[08:34:46] xris: weird artifacts in the lower right section of the black chunk. they're everywhere in the theme
[08:34:49] PaulWay: xris: I just put all those tv and video and so forth directories in a container directory and then let MythVideo scan that.
[08:35:09] xris: PaulWay: except that my 80G of other media files (music, photos, etc) are also in that directory
[08:35:12] juski: xris: I can't see them here
[08:35:21] xris: juski: in the png or on your system?
[08:35:28] juski: in the png
[08:35:31] PaulWay: I can see them but I can't help with the problems.
[08:35:35] xris: juski: zoom in
[08:36:05] PaulWay: Sorry, interpreted that as 'get a 404 on the URLs'.
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[08:36:30] xris: juski: reload screen1.png — I cropped it
[08:36:36] PaulWay: xris: make /path/video_container and put tv/ and movies/ and so forth in it.
[08:36:45] xris: PaulWay: that's what I'm doing now.
[08:36:46] PaulWay: Rather than /path/audio_container or whatever.
[08:36:56] juski: those 'color artifacts' are a 'feature' of the watermarks
[08:37:01] xris: ahh
[08:37:02] xris: ok.
[08:37:06] xris: as long as you're aware of them
[08:37:16] xris: the other main concern was screen2.png, with the mythvideo stuff
[08:37:34] juski: I need to redo them all because I changed the background. 4:3 hasn't had any love lately
[08:37:45] juski: and the same for screen2.png
[08:37:53] juski: 43 gets no love
[08:37:58] juski: 4:3 even ;)
[08:38:14] juski: lemme see what I can do while I'm sitting here
[08:38:15] xris: juski: huh? the lack of lines, etc?
[08:38:25] juski: the lack of use it gets from me more like
[08:38:50] juski: and soon I'll have four themes!
[08:38:56] juski: arghhh what am I doing?
[08:39:21] xris: heh
[08:39:29] xris: well, no biggie. I think list view is what I want, anyway
[08:39:40] xris: now if only it would let me play a directory instead of picking specific files
[08:40:06] juski: haha. list view isn't very healthy
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[08:40:55] juski: not that it ever looked especially great in any other theme I've tried
[08:40:55] xris: I tend to bury things in folders...
[08:40:58] xris: my tv archives, etc.
[08:41:05] xris: list view isn't so bad
[08:41:20] juski: I find the fixed column width very limiting
[08:42:36] juski: oh hang on you're still using 1.x pg
[08:42:53] juski: did you try 2.1?
[08:42:54] xris: I am?
[08:43:21] xris: says 2.0
[08:43:44] juski: ah sorry
[08:43:50] juski: nm
[08:43:52] xris: you should make an osd theme
[08:43:55] xris: we need better ones of those
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[08:44:12] juski: it's on my to-do list
[08:44:17] xris: btw, should make your download links over the text, too, not just hte image.
[08:44:37] juski: I'm ok at many things. webpage making ain't one of em
[08:44:42] xris: heh
[08:44:56] xris: well, if you ever want to help me make some artwork for mythtv.org, let me know
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[08:45:16] xris: well, I'm definitely not running 2.1, though
[08:45:18] juski: always willing to lend a hand
[08:45:46] xris: I'll try to come up with a list. I need little icon-like things for various sections like "bugs" and "wiki"
[08:45:51] juski: but right now I think I have enough projects on the go, what with 'making mythtv on ubuntu 'rock'' & all
[08:45:57] xris: heh
[08:46:01] xris: that'd be nie
[08:46:02] xris: nice
[08:46:08] juski: I can chip away at little things though
[08:46:19] juski: done the bulk of the work for my new wide theme
[08:46:33] xris: screencaps?
[08:46:41] juski: www.juski.co.uk/pg/comingsoon.htm
[08:47:06] xris: pretty
[08:47:13] juski: I tested it on my tv for the first time last night. it blows pg out of the water IMHO
[08:47:35] xris: I like dark for some stuff. heh
[08:47:45] juski: some stuff needs to change. my focus group (!) made comments about one or 2 of the watermarks
[08:47:48] xris: but yeah, it's much more "professional"
[08:48:15] juski: I think I could apply some of the design style to pg & see what happens
[08:48:42] juski: then I'll have 4 themes, which are really just 2 themes but different images
[08:48:43] xris: hmm, looks like cover artwork overlay in 4:3 is slightly off
[08:49:40] juski: damn. the watermark changes will be a complete re-do I'm afraid. lots more work than I first thought
[08:50:13] xris: yeah, mythvideo definitely needs to be made more directory-aware
[08:50:45] juski: I have the browse view up now. looks fine here at 800x600 I'm afraid
[08:51:27] juski: there are a couple of things that could be fixed, like the alignment of 'runtime' & 'year'
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[08:51:53] xris: well, I *am* running svn..
[08:51:56] xris: so who knows
[08:52:45] juski: I sometimes miss changes to theme stuff, especially when I just see a commit with a number & no descriptive text
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[08:53:19] juski: the bottom text def. looks ok here
[08:53:28] juski: do you have bitstream vera installed?
[08:53:38] xris: no clue
[08:53:46] xris: presumably fedora includes it
[08:54:01] xris: seems like it's there somewhere, yes
[08:55:16] juski: bugger. changed it to Verdana somewhere along the line :(
[08:55:21] xris: hmm, manually building seektables for all of my videos is going to SUCK
[08:55:22] juski: I need subversion at home
[08:55:31] xris: no svn at home? it's easy to set up
[08:57:51] xris: hmm, internal player apparently can't understand h.264
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[09:01:55] juski: xris: change line 904 of video-ui.xml to " <position>551,0</position> "
[09:02:07] juski: and line 905 to "<staticsize>166,262</staticsize>"
[09:02:32] juski: that fixes the alignment of the video cover anyway
[09:03:27] xris: so it does. th
[09:03:28] xris: thx
[09:04:25] juski: the PL label could move too
[09:04:25] xris: maybe browse view isn't broken. it just looks like utter crap if there is no info for things
[09:05:09] xris: hmm, gallery view is cute
[09:05:34] xris: needs better options for searching, though
[09:05:49] xris: "manual imdb" isn't nearly as helpful as "manually search for imdb title"
[09:06:21] juski: www.juski.co.uk/browse.png is how mine looks when there's no info
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[09:11:10] juski: yeah I think that 'grille' effect has to go from the watermarks. it looks naff
[09:11:31] juski: maybe keep the raster lines
[09:11:48] juski: xris: remember another thing I was gonna have a go at was skinning mythweb
[09:11:54] juski: hahaha. when I find time
[09:12:08] xris: yeah, I know that feeling
[09:12:16] xris: hmm, maybe I can use mythvideo...
[09:12:17] juski: actually I should be ok now I have a fully working FE again
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[09:12:48] xris: if only a few thinngs like auto-seektable wworked
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[09:13:15] xris: and h.264 playback in the internal player
[09:13:37] juski: I had to bump the internal player yesterday. couldn't get digital audio working properly with it
[09:14:31] xris: lame
[09:14:42] juski: ahh right. I could just have entered the device name rather rely on the (possibly incorrect) passthru device
[09:14:46] xris: I'll bug someone about it tomorrow
[09:15:00] xris: just need x264-devel around when you compile and ffmpeg can do it
[09:15:28] juski: it's likely that the 'default' and the other choice given for passthru are wrong ports on the audio device in my case
[09:15:51] juski: other than the high pitched squeal it made, it worked great ;)
[09:16:04] xris: heh
[09:16:05] xris: ick
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[09:16:28] xris: I wonder how long this backup is going to take to make.
[09:16:35] juski: it wasn't a digital 0dB noise thankfully, so my ears & speakers remained intact
[09:16:42] xris: 120G of files, plus par creation. and then I get to burn it all to dvd. yay
[09:16:52] juski: oof
[09:16:57] juski: par?
[09:17:04] xris: http:/parchive.sf.net
[09:17:07] xris: http://parchive.sf.net
[09:17:08] juski: oh
[09:17:36] juski: time for some breakfast & editing the sob story bits from 'children in need' last night for later viewing
[09:17:45] xris: heh
[09:17:47] xris: later.
[09:17:51] xris: I should head to sleep
[09:17:52] juski: I'll have pg 2.2 out soon xris :)
[09:17:57] xris: cool
[09:18:24] xris: browse mode looks fine for things that actually have data. problem is that the vast majority of my videos are nuvexport exports... just a filename
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[09:51:30] juski: ouch. mrs juski didn't like me disabling ffw. haha
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[10:56:40] kuse: I cant get my 3:rd monitor to work with a second vga adapter? On my AGP im using DVI+S-VIDEO and on the PCI om using VGA but I cant get all 3 to work at the same time, is there anyting special u need to do to get 2 video card to work?
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[11:03:10] juski: 2 x servers perhaps?
[11:04:20] kuse: I dont want 2 X-servers, there must be something I do wrong in the config file, cause I can get the DVI+S-VIDEO to work OR the VGA on the PCI but not at the same time
[11:19:44] juski: opello: you around?
[11:21:46] juski: nevermind. just about to go to the post office is all :)
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[11:40:09] opello: juski: ah :)
[11:40:42] opello: juski: i did get it sent, probably missed your window of time though
[11:43:17] jamie: Hi everyone.
[11:43:31] jamie: I'm a little new to all this...so please bear with me
[11:44:20] jamie: I've been playing with gentoo lately...relatively successfully I might add, but...
[11:44:24] jamie: USE flags...
[11:44:46] jamie: Can someone offer a simple description of these please?
[11:45:03] jamie: I've read Howto's etc, but it's not quite sticking yet
[11:45:27] opello: use flags let you choose what optional things a program will be built with
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[11:48:31] juski: opello: don't worry I can still make it :)
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[11:48:50] opello: juski: heh, thanks
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[11:57:20] jamie: thanks opello...just had to step away
[11:57:35] jamie: but how do you know what you'll need?
[11:57:45] jamie: there seem to be sooooo many possibilities
[12:01:03] jamie: let me put it another way, how often do you need to modify them? (day to day?)
[12:01:48] juski: dispatched!
[12:02:18] juski: jamie: if you have to ask (like I often did) then gentoo isn't for you ;)
[12:02:49] jamie: I can understand what you're saying, but how else do you learn about these things (so you don't have to ask)?
[12:03:14] juski: I stuck with it for 2 years & never quite got the hang of it
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[12:03:38] juski: there's an emerge option which tells you the possibilities for any given ebuild
[12:03:48] jamie: ok. but you've stuck with gentoo?
[12:03:54] juski: you need not even have them in your USE list
[12:03:56] juski: no
[12:04:18] juski: moved to a lower maintenance distro ;)
[12:04:30] jamie: fair enough...
[12:04:51] jamie: so, what do you use for myth?
[12:04:56] juski: thing is for any given USE flag, you can just emerge with those options as a one off ;)
[12:05:23] juski: ubuntu dapper, and I built 0.20-fixes from source
[12:05:37] jamie: seems quite a popular choice
[12:05:54] juski: actually I need to look for a bug report about ffwding past the end of a recording causing a lockup
[12:06:14] juski: whoops I mean _jumping_
[12:06:50] jamie: I'm going to be building my first MythTV box shortly and am wondering what are the most popular dual DVB cards?
[12:07:12] juski: YMMV
[12:07:37] juski: look in linuxtv.org's wiki for supported cards first
[12:08:19] jamie: I have. Still, I'm curious to know what others think/use.
[12:09:29] jamie: I've narrowed it down to Hauppauge Nova-T-500, Dvico FusionHDTV DVB-T Dual or DigitalNow Dual Hybrid
[12:10:01] jamie: Seems they all work from various posts I've read, but again, it's nice to actually hear from some one about their experience(s)
[12:10:19] juski: nova-t-500 is very new & hasn't been supported for very long
[12:10:31] kraut: moin
[12:10:37] juski: Dvico cards, from what I've heard aren't all that hot
[12:10:52] jamie: though so re: Nova-T
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[12:11:25] juski: it's 2 usb tuners on a PCI card with a USB-PCI bridge chip :)
[12:12:05] juski: should work in recent kernels but you might have to grab mercurial drivers out of linuxtv.org & build the modules yourself
[12:13:04] juski: OMG! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6159780.stm
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[12:15:29] jamie: hmmm
[12:15:31] ciphergoth: all the menu option text in my menus has disappeared
[12:16:06] ciphergoth: the menus themselves work, and they have titles and pictures, but the text is empty or not displaying
[12:16:09] ciphergoth: I've tried several themes
[12:16:26] ciphergoth: anyone have any ideas what else I could try? I've switched OpenGL rendering on and off too
[12:16:47] RaYmAn-Bx: perhaps you lack fonts
[12:16:55] ciphergoth: sounds plausble
[12:17:03] ciphergoth: what should I check?
[12:17:49] juski: the readme in the root of the theme dir for one thing
[12:17:51] juski: which theme btw?
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[12:18:04] ciphergoth: Titvillus
[12:18:05] jamie: juski: There seems to be a pretty good article on the Dvico in the Wiki.
[12:18:24] juski: jamie: I might be getting em confused with twinhan then
[12:18:24] ciphergoth: but I've tried others
[12:18:48] juski: ciphergoth: check your appearance settings. a negative 'y' offset will cause problems like that
[12:19:48] ciphergoth: juski: wouldn't that also move the pointer that indicates which menu option is selected?
[12:19:58] ciphergoth: that pointer shows up just as it used to
[12:20:04] jamie: junki: I'm getting quite confused with trying to work out what to get. Starting from scratch, I'd like to have things that will work well from the outset
[12:20:09] ciphergoth: I've learned to navigate the menus by memeory
[12:20:09] LabMonkey: ok
[12:20:11] juski: ciphergoth: check it
[12:20:15] LabMonkey: I have a major scheduling problem
[12:20:16] ciphergoth: I certainly will
[12:20:19] ciphergoth: thanks
[12:20:20] jamie: juski: sorry-typo in your name
[12:20:28] juski: junki... lol
[12:20:36] LabMonkey: my mythbox syncs its time via ntp with a local ntp server
[12:20:53] shiznix: is it possible to specify arguments for tv_grab_XX scripts in MythTV ?
[12:20:55] LabMonkey: that local ntp server syncs with a few different high-accuracy ntp servers on the internet
[12:21:26] LabMonkey: now... my mythbox should always carry almost perfect time
[12:21:59] LabMonkey: but on a week-to-week basis some shows we be recorded 1–2 minutes early or late.
[12:22:11] LabMonkey: it really varies that much
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[12:22:33] ciphergoth: My BF is watching TV at the moment – I'll have to wait 'till he's finished to check...
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[12:24:21] LabMonkey: and I'm trying to figure out how I can make mythtv compensate for bad scheduling
[12:24:23] mirak: hi
[12:24:26] LabMonkey: any ideas?
[12:24:48] LabMonkey: for one thing it seems like some channels are worse about it than others
[12:25:04] LabMonkey: and even on some channels it changes from one show to another
[12:25:47] LabMonkey: ie. one show may air at exactly the right time every week, but another show on the same channel may fluctuate 1–3 minutes from one week to the next
[12:26:42] LabMonkey: I suppose the easiest solution may be to have them all start maybe 2 minutes early and record maybe 2 minutes after it's supposed to end
[12:28:27] shiznix: guess not, nvm i'll make an alias
[12:29:49] shiznix: LabMonkey: welcome to television where shows can always run a little under or over
[12:36:49] mirak: hi
[12:36:57] mirak: znyone have a pvr150 ir blaster working ?
[12:41:29] LabMonkey: actually
[12:41:36] jamie: juski: Thanks for the chat
[12:41:38] LabMonkey: what happens most of the time
[12:42:04] LabMonkey: is that a show is 1min early over and over until I get tired of it
[12:42:11] LabMonkey: so I change the scheduling options
[12:42:35] LabMonkey: and then suddenly it starts running 1–2min late
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[12:44:06] juski: LabMonkey: just pad the recording more then
[12:44:21] juski: not as if 5 mins either way makes much difference
[12:44:29] juski: you can always edit them later if you want to keep them
[12:45:02] shiznix: hrmm...the alias didn't work, gotta edit the script by hand each time and change the defaults
[12:45:24] LabMonkey: yeah but what happens when two recordings are scheduled back to back on the same channel?
[12:45:51] juski: you can pad up to 6 minutes using pre & post roll options
[12:45:57] juski: +/- 6 mins
[12:48:07] LabMonkey: yeah but will the second tuner start recording 12 minutes before the first tuner stops recording when both shows are on the same channel?
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[12:48:21] LabMonkey: this is on a pvr-500
[12:49:03] juski: not with pre/post roll
[12:50:20] LabMonkey: I seem to recall an occasion where I was watching live tv on the channel where a scheduled show was about to start and there were no other recordings going on... when the scheduled show started I had to stop watching live tv and switch to the recording in progress
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[12:51:15] juski: ah well
[12:52:20] LabMonkey: WTF
[12:52:32] LabMonkey: BSG last night started 6:15 early
[12:52:53] LabMonkey: the last 6:15 of BSG is the beginning of Stargate SG-1
[12:52:54] juski: that's TV companies for yer
[12:53:06] LabMonkey: well
[12:53:10] juski: we're lucky in the UK
[12:53:19] LabMonkey: it has seemed more profound since the daylight savings change
[12:53:41] juski: I set a show to start at 7pm, and usually (9 times out of 10) when I play it, the beginning of the recording is just before the opening titles
[12:53:44] LabMonkey: like before I was adjusting 1–2 minutes when something wasn't right
[12:53:54] juski: using ntp is no guarantee
[12:54:11] juski: you'd have exactly the same problem with a tivo
[12:54:13] LabMonkey: but since the clocks changed it's been worse... I just didn't realize how much worse
[12:54:40] juski: it's also a nice way for the broadcasters & advertisers to get more time out of you
[12:55:11] juski: if the schedules say '7pm' but it actually means 'around 7pm' you'll have to spend more time watching their network
[12:55:13] LabMonkey: yeah but it's not like they can detect when a tuner starts recording and stops, can they?
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[12:55:35] juski: no, but they're already up in arms about folks with pvrs skipping ads
[12:56:14] juski: shitty, eh?
[12:56:29] LabMonkey: yeah
[12:56:37] juski: if it bothers you that much you'll have to get another tuner
[12:56:55] juski: or just bypass the tv network somehow
[12:56:57] LabMonkey: yeah ideally I'd like to get another pvr-500
[12:57:04] juski: buy the series DVD or something
[12:57:45] juski: funny thing is, but this sort of thing is only going to make people download more tv shows, which will mean more lost revenues
[12:57:55] LabMonkey: yeah
[12:58:07] LabMonkey: which means more shit gets cancelled
[12:58:18] juski: and they make less money still
[12:58:25] LabMonkey: yeah
[12:58:29] juski: maybe eventually they'll get with the program
[12:58:31] juski: ;)
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[12:58:48] LabMonkey: my main complaint is that 25–30% of any given show is ads
[12:59:06] juski: blame those greedy capitalists for that
[12:59:09] LabMonkey: yeah
[12:59:40] juski: it could all go one of two ways:
[12:59:51] juski: 1. improve substantially & they open up & play nice
[13:00:12] juski: 2. they lock everything down, encripple the lot & make you sit & watch when _they_ want you to watch
[13:01:01] juski: the less wet behind the ears of us don't see #1 happening
[13:01:03] LabMonkey: well
[13:01:10] LabMonkey: I see it like this regarding ads
[13:01:22] LabMonkey: having a couple of commercial breaks during a show is fine
[13:01:31] LabMonkey: most people get up and go to the bathroom during that time
[13:01:48] LabMonkey: I actually find out about new products sometimes during commercials
[13:01:57] LabMonkey: like F.E.A.R.
[13:02:05] LabMonkey: and Saw 3
[13:02:11] juski: last time I was in the US I watched some cable tv. commercials followed by opening scene. commercials. opening titles. little short scene. commercials...
[13:02:20] LabMonkey: yeah
[13:02:21] LabMonkey: but
[13:02:23] LabMonkey: get this
[13:02:48] LabMonkey: there are people that record the whole show with plenty of padding to ensure that they get it even if the schedule is off...
[13:02:51] LabMonkey: those people...
[13:03:00] LabMonkey: they fast forward through the commercials
[13:03:12] LabMonkey: you can't fucking MAKE them watch the commercials
[13:03:19] juski: not yet...
[13:03:38] LabMonkey: the people that get up and go to the bathroom...
[13:03:46] LabMonkey: you can't MAKE them hold it and watch the commercials
[13:04:17] LabMonkey: if I don't want to watch commercials I'm not going to
[13:04:23] juski: in the UK, the only HD provider ($ky) has it so that the only way you can watch the stuff is with their box. It'd be well within their capacity to prevent you skipping adverts
[13:04:48] juski: and you can't use anything else to record their content because it's all encrippled with a propriatary mechanism
[13:04:54] LabMonkey: and you can just get up and go take a shit while the commercials are on
[13:04:58] shiznix: actually, Phillips have recently patented a system where you cannot change the channel while a commercial is being played
[13:04:59] juski: true
[13:05:21] juski: $ky have patented a system to show you advertising banners while you skip commercials
[13:05:24] LabMonkey: shiznix: you're kidding
[13:06:00] juski: it's been said that a lot of it is just planning ahead & preventing other people using the idea for free
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[13:06:32] LabMonkey: ok that does it
[13:06:43] juski: imagine if movies at the cinema got broken up into sections separated by ads... !
[13:06:48] juski: that could happen too
[13:06:57] LabMonkey: end of SG-1 season 10 I'm going back to reading books and I'll only watch shit on DVD
[13:07:25] GreyFoxx: LabMonkey: Some DVD's don't let you skip the adverts unless you are quick enough to avoid them even starting
[13:07:32] GreyFoxx: like Sixth sense when it first came out :)
[13:07:49] juski: and HD-DVD might stop you skipping trailers full stop
[13:07:58] GreyFoxx: ifthe ad starts at the begiining a "proper" dvd player will enforce your skipping out of the commercial
[13:08:09] juski: yup
[13:08:17] juski: I can already make dvds that do that myself
[13:08:21] GreyFoxx: yup
[13:08:28] juski: it's eeeevil :)
[13:08:30] LabMonkey: fuck
[13:08:31] GreyFoxx: I did it once, annoyed the hell outta by dad
[13:08:47] LabMonkey: this kind of shit needs to be protested at the government level
[13:08:48] GreyFoxx: he didn't believe itcould be done heh
[13:09:22] juski: LabMonkey: but who will the govt. listen to more? you, who isn't paying them anything or Joe Bloggs corp who are a major party fund contributor?
[13:09:49] juski: capitalism _works_
[13:09:56] juski: i.e. it really shits on Joe Public
[13:09:59] ** GreyFoxx goes back to bed **
[13:10:02] LabMonkey: politicians care about votes
[13:10:23] LabMonkey: they care about money because they can use the money in their campaign to get votes
[13:10:55] juski: I think the general public would be more concerned about politicians who campaign for 'important' things like stopping wars & stuff
[13:11:21] juski: anyway </rant>....
[13:11:23] LabMonkey: well
[13:11:40] LabMonkey: those issues are never really resolved anyway
[13:11:51] juski: there's a campaign for removing logos from UK tv channels
[13:12:10] LabMonkey: that's why no matter who is elected there are always around 50% of the people who bitch and complain about whomever is in office
[13:12:13] juski: people say about that "yes, all well & good but there are people starving in the world. fix that then we'll take a look at your idea"
[13:12:16] LabMonkey: sometimes more sometimes less
[13:13:12] juski: I need to catch up on some recordings anyway....
[13:13:48] LabMonkey: well
[13:13:56] LabMonkey: there's the flipside of the coin
[13:14:13] LabMonkey: take Stargate Atlantis for example
[13:14:21] LabMonkey: lots of CG stuff
[13:14:27] LabMonkey: tons of props
[13:14:29] LabMonkey: and cast
[13:14:33] LabMonkey: all that takes money
[13:14:40] LabMonkey: just to make the show
[13:14:48] LabMonkey: and that money comes from the network
[13:14:55] LabMonkey: and the network gets their money from advertisers
[13:14:57] juski: the old adage about speculating to accumulate
[13:15:32] juski: shows get canned after a badly rated pilot
[13:16:13] LabMonkey: so even if governments were to regulate advertising and make it law that shows start on time so that we can record them and skip the commercials
[13:16:33] juski: doesn't matter that it might've been a really highly rated series after a dubious first run, if the networks don't want to take a risk it won't happen
[13:16:34] LabMonkey: what could happen as a result is that advertisers would pay the network less
[13:16:43] LabMonkey: and then the network has less to pay for shows
[13:16:50] LabMonkey: which results in shittier shows
[13:16:55] juski: it's a win-win-win situation for the networks & government ;)
[13:17:09] juski: the status quo is, I mean
[13:17:30] LabMonkey: well
[13:17:34] jduggan: what about the fact that the .gov has recently announced a ban on fast food advertising aimed @ <16year olds
[13:17:54] jduggan: that takes alot++ of money from some tv stations
[13:18:19] LabMonkey: just means more toy ads
[13:18:43] jduggan: shows that the .gov listen to demand from the public
[13:18:58] jduggan: just needs lots of weight behind it
[13:19:19] LabMonkey: what I really *do* think, though, is that at least DVDs should be free of this mandatory advertisement shit
[13:19:59] LabMonkey: the result of which being that I can buy my shows on DVD and read books instead of watching 30% commercials
[13:20:17] LabMonkey: mostly commercials of shit that doesn't interest me at all
[13:22:37] D-side: bleh. gotta disconnect my cable box.
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[13:24:04] ciphergoth: where can I find a list of the arguments for mythfrontend --verbose ?
[13:24:17] ciphergoth: it doesn't have a manual page and it doesn't respond to any of -? -h --verbose
[13:24:23] ciphergoth: --help I mean
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[13:43:22] fryfrog: someone must have said my name a long time ago :/
[13:44:57] fryfrog: try "mythfrontend -v help"
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[14:05:54] LabMonkey: fryfrog: /lastlog?
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[14:25:37] root: hi everyone. Ive installed mythtv after gentoo wiki guide and I am getting some errors. If you could have a look i have pasted it on pastbin ( the output and errors of "mythtv command") on -> http://pastebin.com/827339 thank you for replying!:)
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[14:31:01] clop: is there a way to control how much the volume increments/decrements when i hit the up/down buttons?
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[14:34:54] andrew_: Hi all
[14:35:39] andrew_: Maybe you guys can help me out, I run a seperate frontend / backend, but the frontend tries to run like it's local
[14:36:09] andrew_: connects to mysql alright, but tries pulling the data locally
[14:37:25] andrew_: Nobody?
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[14:39:40] juski: a workaround would be to share the recordings dir & mount it to the same location on the frontend
[14:39:51] juski: not that it should be necessary mind
[14:40:15] juski: anyway in some cases it's more efficient to use NFS
[14:40:39] andrew_: Yeah, I thought about that
[14:40:57] andrew_: Though it's not just the video it's trying to pull, all the settings and stuff too
[14:41:03] juski: we saw that problem on the laptop frontend we had at linuxworld expo
[14:41:17] andrew_: What distribution was it running?
[14:41:20] juski: hang on so you're saying it can't connect to the database?
[14:41:31] ** juski bets on ubuntu **
[14:41:50] juski: let's establish some facts then
[14:42:01] juski: in 'watch recordings' do you see a list of your recorded shows?
[14:42:07] juski: on the frontend I mean?
[14:42:14] andrew_: Yeah, it connects to mysql perfectly
[14:42:24] juski: no never mind mysql
[14:42:31] andrew_: Yes, I see the shows
[14:42:42] juski: right so it's connecting to the backend ok
[14:42:43] juski: :)
[14:42:53] juski: db settings are fine, as are the backend settings
[14:42:54] andrew_: Though they're dim, meaning the files don't exist, I check the log, and it says the file doesn't exist /video/*****.mpg
[14:43:13] juski: dim?
[14:43:18] andrew_: Greyed out
[14:43:31] juski: they'll be greyed out on the backend til you select them
[14:43:42] juski: too, I mean
[14:43:55] juski: the thing is you can _see_ the list of recordings
[14:43:59] andrew_: right
[14:44:20] juski: this was a peculiar problem & I can't remember how it was solved at the expo
[14:44:32] juski: frontend could see the shows just not play them
[14:44:41] juski: can the backend machine play the shows ok?
[14:45:22] andrew_: Yep
[14:45:35] andrew_: So can my Mac Mini with a PPC compiled mythfrontend
[14:45:54] andrew_: So can my Ubuntu 6 desktop
[14:45:59] juski: ok
[14:46:25] juski: checked the troubleshooting section of the docs / users mailing list yet?
[14:46:51] andrew_: Yeah
[14:47:12] andrew_: I hate asking questions in IRC, because people always hate it, I know I do when people ask me :)
[14:47:19] juski: hah
[14:47:31] juski: just searched the users list – looks like one other guy had the problem
[14:47:44] juski: nobody suggested a fix bar the idiot error stuff
[14:48:11] andrew_: Yeah
[14:49:03] juski: only thing I can think of is a perms/database issue
[14:49:12] juski: file permissions or the database itself
[14:50:41] juski: do you see a preview of the recordings on the frontend?
[14:50:51] andrew_: No
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[14:51:32] juski: hmmm
[14:51:50] juski: does your /etc/hosts file have the backend hostname in there?
[14:52:26] andrew_: No, just localhost.localdomain
[14:53:21] juski: found a more recent ml post asking the same thing
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[14:54:30] Weezey: the pressure that LVM is putting on my system keeps crashing mythbackend so I want to take my many disks which are right now one logical volume and keep them seperate
[14:54:40] Weezey: is there an easy way to do that with mythtv?
[14:55:05] juski: andrew_: try this on the backend : mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg -e "select hostname from recorded;"
[14:55:22] juski: then tell me if all the hostnames are the same
[14:56:12] andrew_: 17 occurences of localhost.localdomain
[14:56:13] juski: Weezey: it's an LVM issue not mythtv. and no, mythtv doesn't support multiple recording directories
[14:56:37] juski: andrew_: aha!
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[14:56:54] juski: andrew_: what's the frontend's hostname?
[14:57:09] andrew_: 192.168.1.102
[14:57:14] juski: no its name
[14:57:37] andrew_: I don't quite know... I usually just use IPs
[14:57:37] juski: I think it's the same name as the backend, which is why mythfrontend is trying to play the file locally & not stream it
[14:57:57] juski: give your new frontend its own name & you should be ok :)
[14:58:15] Weezey: juski: yeah, LVM is sucking the life out of my backend. Can I store previously recorded recordings on seperate drives?
[14:58:25] juski: do _not_ give the backend a new hostname without reading the section of the docs pertinent to that activity
[14:58:37] juski: Weezey: nope
[14:58:48] Weezey: shit.
[14:58:50] Weezey: that sucks.
[14:59:10] juski: Weezey: well you _could_ but you'd need to make symlinks
[14:59:37] Weezey: true, but not automagically
[14:59:43] juski: Weezey: how much recorded data do you have anyway?
[14:59:53] Weezey: 900GB
[14:59:57] juski: oof
[15:00:09] juski: it's only ever gonna get much bigger you know that....
[15:00:14] Weezey: yeah.
[15:00:30] juski: I can never figure out why people consider keeping that much, but hey ho
[15:00:32] Weezey: I'm thinking I might just blow away all the recordings we don't specifically want.
[15:00:56] juski: sounds like a job for a separate server TBH
[15:01:06] juski: lessen the load on the ole mythbackend there ;)
[15:01:12] Weezey: it is a seperate machine actually
[15:01:18] Weezey: the master backend has no recorders
[15:01:32] juski: you using NFS?
[15:01:37] Weezey: no
[15:01:42] Weezey: that didn't work at all
[15:01:59] juski: just NFS is much more efficient than other methods
[15:01:59] Weezey: right now the recordings happen on the slaves, then I sync them at night to the mater
[15:02:02] Weezey: master.
[15:02:08] juski: shit!
[15:02:28] juski: that's not entirely the best way to do it IMHO
[15:02:43] Weezey: yeah, but it minimized my crashes
[15:02:50] juski: andrew_: how you getting on setting your new frontend's hostname?
[15:03:20] andrew_: Hey juski, you're badass man
[15:03:25] andrew_: You were 100% right
[15:03:32] kash: 2006-11–18 09:02:18.574 Copying Audio while transcoding Video
[15:03:32] kash: 2006-11–18 09:02:18.589 Transcoding aborted, NuppelVideoPlayer is not in raw audio mode.
[15:03:35] kash: 2006-11–18 09:02:18.590 Transcoding /hdb/mythtv/1950_20061118083500.nuv failed
[15:03:38] kash: what's that mean
[15:04:01] juski: andrew_: just some logical thinking & know-how about how mythtv works ;)
[15:04:03] Weezey: heh. 1.1TB, not 900GB
[15:04:15] kash: i have 3.2TB of video :p
[15:04:24] kash: i thought it was encoding, but apparently it fails.
[15:04:36] Weezey: kash: what are you using to store it?
[15:04:40] D-side: this isn't going as well as it could be.
[15:04:43] kash: NAS server
[15:04:53] andrew_: Time for me to go, juski, thanks again
[15:04:58] kash: 10 400GB SATA drives
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[15:05:06] Weezey: How do I transcode these mpegs? Maybe I just need to make them 300MB instead of a GB for 1/2 hour.
[15:05:41] kash: Weezey: go to 'watch recordings', hit i on the recording you want to transcode, go to job options and then select 'begin transcoding'
[15:06:21] Weezey: kash: that's all there is to it? Cool. Does it remove the original once it's done?
[15:06:44] kash: dunno
[15:06:50] kash: i haven't gotten it to work for me :p
[15:06:55] kash: audio problem
[15:07:00] Weezey: hmm.
[15:09:45] jduggan: when i transcode it turns the mpgs into .nuvs
[15:09:50] jduggan: are they mythtv specific?
[15:10:05] jduggan: and wots teh best way to make them into avis
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[15:15:33] D-side: i have NO idea what i'm doing here. :D
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[15:22:26] ciphergoth: OK, so here's what my display looks like at the moment: http://pics.livejournal.com/ciphergoth/pic/000cc49a
[15:22:58] ciphergoth: what on earth could cause that? my x and y offsets are both 0
[15:23:49] jduggan: ciphergoth: i get that alot also, juski told me it was because the theme file is missing base.xml
[15:24:01] jduggan: so perhaps try updating the theme
[15:24:13] ciphergoth: I've tried more than one theme
[15:24:27] jduggan: ciphergoth: perhaps more than one theme is broke? :)
[15:24:33] ciphergoth: heh
[15:24:45] ciphergoth: I'm getting the packages from debian-multimedia.org
[15:24:45] jduggan: infact one of the few themes that actually work on my system is juski's pg theme
[15:24:50] jduggan: ciphergoth: nod
[15:24:51] ciphergoth: pg?
[15:24:54] jduggan: i get the same package
[15:25:00] jduggan: project grayhem
[15:25:13] jduggan: ciphergoth: get the theme tar from svn
[15:25:19] jduggan: 0.20-fixes
[15:25:23] kash: 2006-11–18 09:24:48.604 MythSocket(6ed810:-1): readStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket.
[15:25:29] kash: hm
[15:25:34] ciphergoth: that's not in my list of themes
[15:26:08] jduggan: yea its not in the official theme list
[15:26:12] ciphergoth: oh wow
[15:26:50] jduggan: ciphergoth: do you ever get instances where mythfrontend crashes when you change themes, using the debian-multimedia packages?
[15:27:00] kash: don't use the debian packages
[15:27:02] kash: they're trouble
[15:27:06] jduggan: im wondering whether its something with their packages or something on my system
[15:27:08] ciphergoth: ah, I've found a theme that works
[15:27:11] jduggan: kash: yea i came to realise that
[15:27:14] ciphergoth: jduggan – not so far
[15:27:19] ciphergoth: not using them is also a lot of trouble!
[15:27:33] kash: no it's not
[15:27:34] kash: :p
[15:27:36] jduggan: kash: as soon as i get new hardware to build a new machyine i'll build from source, only i cant afford the downtime at the moment :)
[15:27:53] jduggan: partner complains if she cant watch her TV :P
[15:28:21] kash: just do it at night
[15:30:35] kash: i can't reach the mythtv svn
[15:30:48] kash: would someone mind tarring the most recent fetch for me
[15:30:49] kash: :)?
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[15:32:12] nweaver916: quick ? from a Mythnoob
[15:32:26] nweaver916: 08:25:08: bad destination directory in job request: job dvd 10 1 -1 0 -1 /share/Movies/dvd/SHREK_2
[15:32:31] nweaver916: is what I get
[15:32:32] nweaver916: when trying to rip a DVD
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[15:33:40] nweaver916: I don't have a /share directory
[15:34:00] nweaver916: but it's set up to use (iirc) /var/lib/mythdvd
[15:34:09] nweaver916: and I have chmod 777'ed that directory (for testing)
[15:34:15] nweaver916: anyone here?
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[15:36:35] Weezey: ln -s /var/lib/mythdvd /share/Movies/dvd
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[15:40:44] kash: yes
[15:40:44] kash: do that
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[15:42:10] ciphergoth: kash: really?
[15:42:19] ciphergoth: you can't reconfigure where it tries to put these things?
[15:42:20] kash: really what?
[15:42:32] kash: you can, but obviously he doesn't want to look.
[15:42:47] D-side: bah. can't get firewire to work.
[15:43:43] Weezey: are LVM bugs a kernel issue or a software issue?
[15:45:18] Weezey: ... or inevitable?
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[15:46:05] kash: kernel
[15:46:24] Weezey: so if I could update to the latest kernel, I might not have so many problems.
[15:46:28] Weezey: interesting.
[15:46:55] Weezey: the only problem is that my raid controller .ko won't compile on 2.6.18
[15:47:02] kash: use .19
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[15:47:14] Weezey: is it more stable?
[15:47:27] kash: sure
[15:51:07] root: hi everyone. Ive installed mythtv after gentoo wiki guide and I am getting some errors. If you could have a look i have pasted it on pastbin ( the output and errors of "mythtv command") on -> http://pastebin.com/827339 thank you for replying!:)
[15:54:25] D-side: FireChan, Error: Unable to get handle for port: 0
[15:56:18] D-side: :(
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[15:59:50] hardnova: hi
[16:00:06] hardnova: dont spose there are to many australians here at this time >
[16:00:34] juski: hardnova: 'sup ?
[16:00:45] hardnova: I tell ya they are making it a pain to get any XMLTV data :(
[16:00:55] juski: ah same old same old then
[16:01:57] juski: root: is the backend running?
[16:02:11] juski: I mean _still_ running?
[16:02:31] hardnova: few months back it fell over , some thing changed so i setup something different now nothing again , been like that for a few months now , and I decided to look round for any new fixes ... but no i cant get it goin :(
[16:02:41] juski: does it have write access to the directory you specified for storing recordings and does your tuner card work in linux?
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[16:03:07] kash: juski: can you get an svn snapshot?
[16:03:07] hardnova: my tuners work fine
[16:03:38] juski: kash: I dunno
[16:03:45] juski: hardnova: they set up right in mythtv-setup?
[16:03:58] kash: juski: i mean can you access the svn server
[16:04:02] juski: hardnova: whoops wrong username sorry :)
[16:04:09] juski: kash: I dunno
[16:04:45] juski: kash: nope :(
[16:06:17] kash: argh
[16:07:15] root: juski: yes still running
[16:07:27] juski: kash: oops I was in the wrong dir. so yes I can
[16:07:55] juski: root: stop the init script & run mythbackend as the mythtv user. watch the textual output as you run mythfrontend
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[16:08:45] kash: juski: can you tar it for me
[16:08:53] kash: i can't access the svn repo
[16:08:58] juski: root: btw being logged into irc as root is pretty dangerous
[16:09:11] juski: kash: no I can't
[16:09:19] kash: :(
[16:09:28] kash: why not?
[16:09:51] juski: cos I've got nowhere to put it, for one thing
[16:09:57] kash: megaupload.com
[16:10:08] juski: kash: what's the error you get?
[16:10:17] D-side: this is a damn shame.
[16:10:24] ** RyeBrye just got all his little "multimedia" buttons on his keyboard to work with MythTV :) (thanks to xev and xmodmap) **
[16:10:26] kash: it just takes a million years and then dies
[16:10:57] juski: kash: working fine here. sort your internet connection out
[16:11:06] kash: erm
[16:11:10] kash: it's not my connection
[16:11:13] RyeBrye: The SVN?
[16:11:14] kash: it's my ISP's routing
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[16:11:19] RyeBrye: You might need to enable proxies on your svn setup
[16:11:21] kash: i don't understand why you won't tar it
[16:11:35] RyeBrye: When I used SVN ay my university, I had to do that – otherwise it would take about 5 minutes to connect
[16:11:48] kash: yeah but i don't have a proxy
[16:11:58] kash: and it takes about 10 minutes then says it can't find it
[16:12:02] juski: kash: my upload pipe is like 128kbits
[16:12:07] RyeBrye: Hmm
[16:12:09] RyeBrye: Wel
[16:12:19] RyeBrye: You can browse the cvs on sourceforge and copy and paste everything :P
[16:12:28] juski: no you can't
[16:12:46] RyeBrye: I thought that you can browse all the code as an html version?
[16:12:50] juski: cos it's SVN & the sourceforge site hasn't been touched for years
[16:12:56] RyeBrye: Oh, gotcha
[16:13:22] D-side: bah. i'm gonna have to return this box. :(
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[16:13:35] juski: kash: you just need a friendly web proxy man
[16:13:40] juski: there are loads of them around
[16:13:43] opello: D-side: aw
[16:14:34] juski: ok kash.. which svn branch do you want?
[16:14:41] kash: mythtv
[16:14:52] juski: no which branch
[16:15:00] kash: trunk
[16:15:03] juski: right
[16:15:33] juski: just mythtv?
[16:15:48] kash: if i upgrade mythtv do i need a new mythplugins too
[16:15:52] RyeBrye: if you tar the svn checkout, wont it have all the .svn directories in it – which could inflate the size of the tar to be really really big?
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[16:16:05] juski: kash: of course you did
[16:16:22] juski: /s/did/do
[16:16:28] kash: ah
[16:16:32] kash: mythplugins too, then :/
[16:16:40] RyeBrye: !seen conreyt
[16:16:40] MythLogBot: conreyt was last seen 4 days 12 hours 7 minutes 49 seconds ago
[16:16:53] juski: I have to admit this is a little slow today
[16:17:05] kash: juski: if you start the transfer, i'll go start my lawn work that i need to do anyways
[16:17:17] RyeBrye: argh... He conreyt never came back to report on if he got mfd to work to listen to his daap shares...
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[16:17:58] kash: alright, i'm gonna go start that anyways
[16:18:01] kash: be back soon
[16:21:06] juski: kash: RyeBrye was right about the .svn dirs causing the tarball to be massively inflated
[16:21:10] juski: no dice
[16:21:36] ** RyeBrye has tried to tar an svn archive once before... :) **
[16:21:53] RyeBrye: http://bfads.net/pop/6751 Anyone use that Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop?
[16:22:23] RyeBrye: I think $20 is a pretty sweet deal for it
[16:22:25] jduggan: seems ebuyer have dropped the price of the elonex media centre chassis again
[16:22:45] jduggan:
[16:22:55] juski: jduggan: but it's _black_ ! (eew)
[16:23:37] jduggan: juski: shrug, anything would beat this tower case i have now
[16:23:42] jduggan: its green and grey :p
[16:23:44] juski: heh
[16:23:52] juski: I <8 my silverstone lc02
[16:24:05] juski: psu gets too hot to leave on all day when there's a 300GB HDD in there though
[16:24:12] juski: I need to make my FE diskless again soon
[16:24:41] juski: only 4 hours left on my ebay items. gonna end up relisting em
[16:24:56] juski: might add my s100 boxen to the list
[16:25:22] jduggan: juski: what about an external USB disk
[16:25:49] jduggan: diskless systems are too much bother to setup
[16:26:04] juski: no they're not
[16:26:13] juski: be faster to boot than some crappy USB thing too
[16:26:52] juski: plus – I like to have just the one box in the space my frontend occupies :)
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[16:30:33] jduggan: i start a new job in january, i'll be able to get any electronic components VAT free, cant wait
[16:30:41] jduggan: be able to build a decent cheap mythfe
[16:32:34] RyeBrye: I've never paid VAT on anything
[16:32:38] RyeBrye: shh... don't tell
[16:33:24] ** RyeBrye lives in the US though ;) **
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[16:43:36] hardnova: my silverstone is great !
[16:45:41] hardnova: i think mine is the LC16 but i cant rember , its got the big volume knob/ function control and VFD looks great and never gets hot
[16:46:06] RyeBrye: hardnova – is that the keyboard?
[16:46:45] hardnova: RyeBrye no the box with the vacume flouresent display
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[16:46:52] RyeBrye: Oh, gotcha
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[16:47:11] hardnova: RyeBrye its very sexy i think
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[17:04:12] D-side: stupid firewire box. :(
[17:04:46] russK: my live tv is black, but when i go into the media library, i can see a good recording of what i was supposed to be watching
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[17:09:00] russK: I get "prebuffer wait timed out 10 times"
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[17:44:19] mjelva: any of you have any experience setting up xosd? i'm keeping it simple at the moment, trying to run some of the example programs. however, i get an error saying "Could not create "osd"". looking at the code, "osd" is an alias for xosd_create ("osd = xosd_create (2);"). according to the manpage of xosd_create, it's the function that creates the osd window in the first place. so supposedly, it failing (as it does), would preclude ...
[17:44:27] mjelva: ... the program from working at all. any ideas how to fix?
[17:45:51] mjelva: Captain_Murdoch: didn't you know a bit about it?
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[17:49:05] tanq: if I have get an HDTV pvr card will I lose hd quality through my video card?
[17:49:14] tanq: s/have//g
[17:49:22] Dagmar: Why would you think that?
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[17:50:21] tanq: I'm not sure, but my thoughts were that an HD feed comes in and goes across the pci bus to the agp bus out of my HDMI to the tv.
[17:50:36] kormoc: and how would you lose hdness?
[17:50:42] tanq: so will the video card limit things somehow?
[17:50:46] Dagmar: How do you parse that sentence?
[17:50:52] tanq: no idea which is why i'm asking the question.
[17:51:11] kormoc: well, it depends on your card. if you have a old old card, perhaps
[17:51:15] Dagmar: tanq: I think you should worry about it losing it's flavor, too.
[17:51:37] tanq: "flavor" meaning?
[17:51:50] Dagmar: Flavor, you know, like how things taste when you stick them in your mouth.
[17:52:00] kormoc: tanq, what's your videocard?
[17:52:01] scopeuk: tanq hes taking the p155
[17:52:24] Dagmar: Here's a big freaking hint...
[17:52:38] Dagmar: DIGITAL SIGNALS DO NOT LOSE QUALITY WHEN PASSED THROUGH DEVICES UNMUXED
[17:53:26] Dagmar: As long as nothing goes to downsample the signal, the amount of signal loss that the video going through your ocmputer incurs is as close enough to zero as to require far too many decimal places
[17:54:07] Dagmar: It comes into your computer in digital form, and gods willing the first and only time it will become analog data is when it's being sprayed across the face of your display
[17:54:37] Dagmar: So, if you're going to worry about it losing it's "hdness" then you better worry about it losing it's flavor.
[17:54:49] Dagmar: No one likes bad tasting TV.
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[17:57:00] tanq: and i was wrong i forgot i'm using a dvi to hdmi cable.
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[17:57:35] _are_: tanq: hdmi is basically a connector that transports digital video + audio. In the first instance, there is no problem. However, the hdmi 'standard' enable the initial sender of the signal (e.g. a DVD) that you may only view a ...
[17:57:36] _are_: downsampled version if you have not a hdmi connector with hdmi certified devices. I am not aware if this feature comes to use in TV-broadcasts. However, if it is, I doubt any linux-based system will be able to get an ...
[17:57:36] _are_: undownsampled version at the moment.
[17:57:37] Dagmar: Oh then you'll be lucky if you have color left when the computer is done.
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[17:57:50] tanq: i'm running this on hand me down parts from old computers. The video card i'm using is an old PNY geforce 4
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[17:58:26] Dagmar: HDMI == teh suck
[17:58:29] tanq: the only difference between hdmi and dvi is that hdmi carries sound right.
[17:58:34] Dagmar: No
[17:58:35] kormoc: tanq, feel free to look up the resolutions it can output. if it can output 1080i then it can push 1080i
[17:58:52] Dagmar: HDMI sodomizes your 1080 content down to 720 if you're not connecting to a licenced HDMI device
[17:59:02] kormoc: HDMI also can have HDCP (HD Copy Protection)
[17:59:10] kormoc: see wikipedia for more info
[17:59:11] _are_: tanq: no, the problem is HDMI carries coppy protection code that takes away your freedom to view a signal on whatever device you decide to. :-/
[17:59:13] Dagmar: That should read "almost always has HDCP"
[17:59:14] tanq: well I don't have a 1080* tv
[17:59:20] D-side: my monitor does HDCP via dvi.
[17:59:24] D-side: i was surprised
[17:59:29] Dagmar: Oh that *does* suck
[17:59:36] Dagmar: I'd be mad
[17:59:38] tanq: my tv is a couple of years old
[17:59:38] Dagmar: Who made that montior?
[18:00:16] kormoc: tanq, so erm, if you're tv isn't HD, then erm, why care if the computer can push hd or not if you can't view it in any case?
[18:00:29] tanq: my tv is HD
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[18:00:57] fdsd: do you guys know how to add component input to a linux box?
[18:01:03] Dagmar: kormoc: Because it's real easy to drop the problem in other people's laps instead of figuring it out
[18:01:14] _are_: D-side: but I suspect when you use this card in a linux system the HDCP always states it is a bad signal, actually very likely way before it actually reaches your grafics adaptor as the drivers are obviously not certified.
[18:01:15] Dagmar: fdsd: You buy a tuner card with component in
[18:01:26] fdsd: Any cards that can handle it? I dont own a tv but I want to buy the wii tomorrow
[18:01:37] fdsd: Dagmar, yeah I know.. Do you know a brand that works?
[18:01:47] Dagmar: Not for input offhand or I'd have said so
[18:02:05] kormoc: fdsd, google/linuxtv.org can help out more
[18:02:21] fdsd: ok
[18:02:32] Dagmar: fdsd: For *sure* you do not want to pass that signal through something like a PVR card
[18:02:42] fdsd: Dagmar, yeah?
[18:02:44] kormoc: _are_, if it's an nvidia card, running the drivers from nvidia, it is certified drivers
[18:02:48] Dagmar: The delay in encoding will make it impossible to play the games
[18:03:12] kormoc: well, he's saying compontent anyway, which is hd, and thus not good for pvr cards anyway
[18:03:17] fdsd: Dagmar, ah, iv played games before and it looked like crap, I was hoping component cables would fix it
[18:03:37] Dagmar: fdsd: Make sure you actually have clean power there
[18:04:09] fdsd: I have an Apple 20" monitor and Gefen makes a HD Mate for it, which turns it into a HDTV with HDMI and COmponent inputs
[18:04:25] _are_: kormoc: that's a good hint for displaying. But how I ever get the stuff to the card without it loosing it's 'I am in a certified system' tag?
[18:04:36] fdsd: its expensive and I can buy a 30" tv for the price
[18:04:52] Dagmar: So buy a 30" TV then.
[18:04:59] Dagmar: Well, unless you have a BMW 325I like me
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[18:05:07] Dagmar: If they dont' deliver, you're fucked.
[18:05:14] kormoc: _are_, now that part of it, I'm not sure. it would depend on the software used to play it, if it supports the standard or not, and I don't know off hand if any does
[18:05:30] Dagmar: I just *barely* got the 29" in the car, and driving home was ludicrous
[18:05:42] scopeuk: lol
[18:05:45] Dagmar: Hanging out my own driver's side window
[18:05:48] fdsd: Dagmar, yeah, I am broke right now, Just moved into a new one bedroom apartment in SAN DIEGO, so damn expensive
[18:05:54] Dagmar: Oh geez
[18:06:10] Dagmar: Looks like you'll have to just work on salving your feelings with all those women.
[18:06:11] fdsd: Security and First months rent, ugg
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[18:06:15] fdsd: Moving costs..
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[18:06:30] Dagmar: Yo, here's a hint if you play games
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[18:06:56] fdsd: Girlfriends birth day is on the 23rd and I am looking to spend all my money on a wii and a tv set, Im a bad bf
[18:07:00] Dagmar: Anything you want to get the day before release, head to the CompUSA in downtown SF. 9 times out of 10 while I was there, they would leave the boxes the stuff came in on the floor unopened the night before
[18:07:20] Dagmar: Not once did anyone question me buying stuff ahead of time. :)
[18:07:30] fdsd: hehe
[18:07:41] fdsd: I got preorder at gamestop
[18:07:57] fdsd: so I should be good, but tomorrow is my birthday and I wish I could have it now!
[18:07:59] Dagmar: See, I pay and get my stuff early, not just pay early
[18:08:29] fdsd: http://www.outlet.philips.com/b2c_redesign/ca . . . ;shop=OUTLET
[18:08:39] fdsd: sorry for the long url, but what do you think of this tv?
[18:08:47] fdsd: the one for $387.99
[18:09:05] Dagmar: I usually take advantage of college student discounts.
[18:09:23] fdsd: where?
[18:09:28] Dagmar: The kind that happen when college students from very expensive colleges move back home with their small car and don't want to have to ship anything big back.
[18:09:54] Dagmar: You gotta pay attention to the paper and craigslist around April, August, and December
[18:10:15] fdsd: lol true
[18:10:24] Dagmar: The 29" TV was a $400 model, less than one year old. Got it for $125.  :)
[18:10:38] kormoc: fdsd, doesn't seem to support 720p/720i for some reason
[18:10:40] kormoc: that's strange
[18:10:45] Dagmar: Got me some *nice* chairs and a dining table for $100.
[18:10:47] fdsd: kormoc, yeah 1080i
[18:10:55] Dagmar: That's weird
[18:11:04] Dagmar: I've never seen one that wouldn't do 720 if it does 1080
[18:11:05] fdsd: yeah it is
[18:11:08] kormoc: most digital signals are still 720i/p now a days
[18:11:15] fdsd: true
[18:11:21] fdsd: im just playing video games with it
[18:11:25] fdsd: so I dont really care
[18:11:29] Dagmar: Heck I see a lot of them that say they do 1080 and then you get to the fine print where they begrudingly admit it downsamples to 720
[18:11:34] fdsd: dvds too
[18:12:18] juski: after all that: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2412
[18:12:51] Dagmar: Card with composite video input... *zero* idea if it works with Linux http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pinnacle-202262146-PC . . . p/B000A0ZFD2
[18:13:31] Dagmar: I *think* it's an encoder card, so it may be unsuitable for use with a Wii
[18:13:53] Dagmar: You may have to go to Radio Slack to get a signal converter
[18:14:34] kormoc: wouldn't the wii output a mpeg-2 signal when in digital mode anyway?
[18:15:06] Dagmar: Not over rgb cables it won't
[18:15:21] kormoc: ahh, fair nuff
[18:15:32] Dagmar: Crud, nevermind I misread that Pinnacle card's description anyway.... composite != component
[18:15:59] ** Dagmar hides his face in shame **
[18:17:08] ** scopeuk ats Dagmar on the head **
[18:17:11] scopeuk: pats8
[18:17:35] Dagmar: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/ho . . . p;sku=363177
[18:17:37] Dagmar: That one does
[18:17:41] Dagmar: ALthough the site is weird
[18:17:51] Dagmar: Who the hell shuts down their ecommerce sales on the weekends?
[18:18:22] kormoc: ecommerce who is run by monkeys!
[18:18:28] Dagmar: Apparently
[18:18:36] scopeuk: somone who find thats there lowest spot eg mainly corperate clientell
[18:19:05] juski: my ebay shop is open 24/7 :)
[18:19:13] juski: (cough)
[18:19:26] kormoc: I'm so happy, if I get this new place like I want, I'll be getting fiber inet, 5 mbps down, 2 mbps up for $35 a month
[18:19:34] Dagmar: wow
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[18:19:53] juski: woof. now that's _broad_ band :)
[18:20:04] kormoc: or it's $45 for 15 mbps down, 2 mbps up, but 15 down is a bit much I think
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[18:20:21] Dagmar: NO!
[18:20:22] juski: actually I could get 10mbit down for about £45 a month
[18:20:27] Dagmar: You can *never* have too much downstream
[18:20:49] kormoc: I'm currently at 6 mbps down, and it's rarely used
[18:20:49] RaYmAn-Bx: or upstream.
[18:21:12] kormoc: upstream is what I'm more interested in, but the next package that gives better up stream is 15/5 mbps for $140 a month
[18:22:01] kormoc: which is a bit... much :P
[18:22:07] mjelva: is there some way to program "modes" in lirc, so that my buttons can have two different functions?
[18:22:30] imperfect-: Anyone know of the best nfs settings to get smooth playback?
[18:22:40] mjelva: that is, not run two commands, but selectively run one of two, based on for instance a button that switches modes.
[18:22:52] imperfect-: 192.168.1.11:/mythtv on /mythtv type nfs (rw,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,hard,lock,proto=tcp,addr=192.168.1.11)
[18:23:00] imperfect-: That's what I'm using now and it's choppy as hell
[18:23:16] mjelva: did you try setting some caching on your player?
[18:23:33] imperfect-: I believe I'm using the internal... is there a place to set that?
[18:23:36] RaYmAn-Bx: imperfect-: you forgot to mention what kind of network it's running over.
[18:23:41] mjelva: i don't know for the internal
[18:23:48] imperfect-: 100mbps ethernet
[18:23:56] mjelva: certainly shouldn't be choppy...
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[18:24:02] imperfect-: Yep
[18:24:06] imperfect-: It's between 2 core2 duo machines
[18:24:08] imperfect-: I dont get it
[18:24:15] Dagmar: IRQ sharing?
[18:24:37] Dagmar: Ethernet cables improperly pinned?
[18:24:44] imperfect-: No errors.
[18:24:46] imperfect-: No Dropps
[18:24:49] imperfect-: < 100ms ping times
[18:24:56] Dagmar: 100ms?
[18:25:02] Dagmar: Should be <10ms
[18:25:09] imperfect-: 64 bytes from 192.168.1.11: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.095 ms
[18:25:17] Dagmar: 64 octets from 10.3.1.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.3 ms
[18:25:49] imperfect-: as you can see
[18:25:52] imperfect-: I forgot a .
[18:26:06] Dagmar: If the cable's pinned wrong half the time I dont' see errors showing up in the counters. Packets just mysteriously disappear because the signal is just too weak
[18:26:12] juski: mjelva: in your .lircrc just have different 'prog = ' sections to control different programs. they have to support lirc natively though
[18:26:16] imperfect-: well
[18:26:20] imperfect-: I didnt pin my own cables anyway
[18:26:33] Dagmar: Find some throughput testing tools
[18:27:29] mjelva: juski: yes. but let's say i have mplayer paused, and want to pass a command to mpd. wouldn't that mean the command is passed to both programs?
[18:27:39] juski: mjelva: depends which has focus
[18:27:39] mjelva: i think i found something, though. .lircrc has a syntax named 'mode'
[18:27:48] mjelva: mpd is a daemon
[18:27:54] juski: man lirc :)
[18:28:00] juski: RTFLD
[18:28:10] mjelva: i'm gonna experiment a bit with this 'mode' thing
[18:28:15] mjelva: it seems to be what i want
[18:28:15] juski: well time to go out & get rat-arsed
[18:28:16] imperfect-: bing
[18:28:18] imperfect-: bing it is!
[18:28:24] mjelva: it is, juski
[18:28:32] mjelva: just give me 30 minutes to fix this, and i'm hitting the booze as well
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[18:31:22] imperfect-: Anyone know what transcode error 242 is?
[18:32:37] clop: hi, when i schedule a show to be recorded, should it then show up in the "Watch Recordings" page of the "Media Library"? or how do i play it back later?
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[18:35:01] imperfect-: Anyone having problems with OpenGL menus lately?
[18:35:04] imperfect-: Mine are all screwed
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[18:36:52] imperfect-: And, does anyone know how I can tell my frontend to stream from the backend to bypass nfs?
[18:37:13] kormoc: imperfect-, don't mount it via nfs on the frontend?
[18:37:23] imperfect-: So if it's not mounted it won't even try?
[18:37:49] kormoc: right
[18:37:54] imperfect-: aight
[18:37:57] imperfect-: let me see if that helps
[18:38:11] kormoc: (as long as you don't have automount or similar)
[18:38:31] imperfect-: nope
[18:38:35] imperfect-: still crappy as hell
[18:38:35] imperfect-: ;)
[18:40:52] mjelva: is there a cli command you can use to change the focus of x-window apps?
[18:40:59] mjelva: like a commandline version of alt-tab
[18:41:38] mjelva: my remote has an app switch button, and it would be cool to make it work
[18:42:20] mjelva: hang on a fucking tick...
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[18:45:39] imperfect-: well hrm
[18:46:53] imperfect-: Man there has got to be something I can do about these prebuffering pauses ;)
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[18:48:35] clop: do you know if there is a switch i can pass to mplayer to make it start at 50% volume instead of 80%?
[18:52:35] clop: ah found it, -af volume=x
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[19:03:15] _mark: can anyone help me with using mytharchive to create a dvd? I keep getting a script error
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[19:24:14] morten_: how can i force myth to use ~/.lircrc?
[19:25:47] kormoc: ln -s ~/.lircrc ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[19:25:56] morten_: that's the only way?
[19:26:01] morten_: no config option?
[19:26:20] kormoc: nope
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[19:28:39] morten_: how come myth breaks convention?
[19:29:30] kormoc: hell if I know, you could file a bug report bout it if you want
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[19:57:57] GreyFoxx: Wow.I just lowered my channel change time from 2–3 seconds to just a hair under 1 merely by changing and ivtv setting
[19:58:15] kormoc: ooh?
[19:58:57] GreyFoxx: yup. Lowered my framespergop from 15 (which is either the default or the default in the version of ivtv I have) to 5, and then again to 2
[19:59:13] kormoc: gop?
[19:59:19] GreyFoxx: group of pictures
[19:59:29] GreyFoxx: how often an I frame is in the stream
[19:59:39] kormoc: ahh, nice
[19:59:47] kormoc: now, doesn't that increase the disk space?
[19:59:51] GreyFoxx: most likely
[20:00:00] Dagmar: Yeah, but if you're transcoding afterwards who cares
[20:00:10] Dagmar: GreyFoxx: You migth want to document that on the wiki actually
[20:00:17] GreyFoxx: yeah
[20:00:55] GreyFoxx: I startedto think about whathappens during playback and figured I'd tryit. to myhappy suprise it worked :)
[20:01:00] jams: even if you doin't transcode, I would think most people would find it worth doing
[20:01:06] Dagmar: Yep
[20:01:18] Dagmar: I'll probably be doing it myself
[20:01:23] jams: same here =)
[20:01:26] kormoc: GreyFoxx, erm. mine (m179) is set to 0 framespergop
[20:01:28] ** kormoc blinks **
[20:01:47] GreyFoxx: Even if it's something myth set when you fire up LiveTV but kept "regular recordings" at 15
[20:01:54] Dagmar: might be worth trying to get it pushed in as a setting for recording groups
[20:01:58] GreyFoxx: yeah
[20:02:00] GreyFoxx: exactly
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[20:03:16] kormoc: seems to do nothing here, strangeness
[20:03:34] jams: ah well, back to working on my "service_pack" cd option
[20:04:12] GreyFoxx: kormoc: Only pvr 250's here to try it on, not sure if it is configurable on those
[20:04:15] GreyFoxx: m179s
[20:04:44] kormoc: yeah, they're more different then I would have imagined at times
[20:08:24] mirak: hi
[20:08:41] mirak: anyone knows where can I find a IR blaster lircd.conf file exemple ?
[20:08:54] Dagmar: On the lirc site
[20:08:56] kormoc: lirc's site?
[20:09:42] Dagmar: Astonishingly enough
[20:12:57] charlieS: anyone use Nero to access myth stuff with upnp?
[20:13:22] GreyFoxx: charlieS: I use djmount to access it
[20:13:40] charlieS: the wiki says "untested" .. and it's not working for me. "error accessing file" (yes mythbacked has a real IP)
[20:14:29] GreyFoxx: for the last couple days I've been using djmount to stream via upnp when playing stuff frim the backend to mythvideo annd the internal player
[20:15:04] charlieS: well I'm trying to get a solution for a windows box :P
[20:15:28] GreyFoxx: heh
[20:15:44] GreyFoxx: I know there is a upnp plugin for vlc out there, never used it though
[20:15:57] charlieS: ooh, I'll try that
[20:16:03] GreyFoxx: one of these days I wanna get an xboxand try the xbmc upnp support
[20:16:04] rn114: if i want to change to the font size, where would I put the overriding ui.xml file?
[20:16:38] Dagmar: rnll4: That's one of the first things that's explained in the theme creation tutorial on the MythTV wiki
[20:17:29] rn114: Dagmar: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Theme_development_guide?
[20:20:40] kormoc: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Theme_develo . . . _Declaration
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[20:21:35] rn114: kormoc: thanks, i have read that, but I cannot see where it says where to put the local file
[20:21:48] rn114: would it be in .mythtv/themes/<theme_name>?
[20:22:06] kormoc: I would imagine so
[20:22:37] mirak: I don't understand how works the settings of lirc for irblaster of pvr150
[20:22:56] mirak: I manage to make work remote but that's all
[20:23:09] kormoc: does the ir blaster on those work yet?
[20:23:42] mirak: yes, there is a spcial module
[20:23:46] mirak: lirc_pvr150
[20:24:12] mirak: so I set up a remote in lirc, but what must be the codes for the remote ?
[20:24:40] kormoc: whatever you want to send
[20:24:42] mirak: should there be the ones I get from the stb remote with the receiver of the pvr150 ?
[20:24:51] kormoc: likely
[20:25:27] mirak: if I get a transmission failure is it because the stb doesn't get it ?
[20:25:41] kormoc: no, a transmission falure is failure to send it
[20:25:43] mirak: I mean do I need to have the stb linked to the ir to test ?
[20:25:47] mirak: ok
[20:26:02] mirak: the blaster can't know if the stb got the signal
[20:26:11] kormoc: right
[20:26:38] mirak: kormoc: so I can for test purpose use the remote codes to test
[20:26:47] rn114: i'd just like to say that was a really classic mythtv answer: paste a few links to make the person asking the question look dumb followed by not actually knowing the answer
[20:27:27] mirak: irsend -d /dev/lircd SEND_ONCE Hauppauge_350 Pause
[20:27:36] kormoc: rn114, he asked where to find an example lircd.conf file for a ir blaster, that's found on lirc's website
[20:27:41] mirak: irsend: command failed: SEND_ONCE Hauppauge_350 Pause irsend: transmission failed
[20:28:06] rn114: kormoc: i meant my question actually
[20:28:07] kormoc: that's an issue with the driver not working right, you might want to check the lirc's mailing list and see if others had the same issue
[20:28:41] mirak: kormoc: my real interogartion was if the handling of remote config is the same than to emit for irblaster . seems yes. but that's not obvious when reading lirc sites. in fact almost nothing is obvious
[20:28:43] kormoc: rn114, ooh, you only asked where to define it in the ui.xml file, that link covers that, not where to put it locally on the filesystem. to different questions
[20:28:45] ** kormoc shrugs **
[20:29:04] kormoc: mirak, you might want to post to the list then, they're usually quite helpful
[20:29:12] mirak: ok
[20:29:44] rn114: kormoc: i was wondering where to put it on the filesystem all along, misunderstanding i guess
[20:30:39] kormoc: ahh, yeah, with things like that, you should talk to juski, he's the themeing expert here, or you can just try and see if it works
[20:30:43] mirak: kormoc: receiving work fine though
[20:31:02] kormoc: mirak, yeah, that's not uncommon actually
[20:31:19] kormoc: receiving is much simplier then sending, so it could just be a broken driver version or what not
[20:31:19] rn114: no worries i'll just try a few different places
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[20:34:10] mirak: mailing lists sucks I prefer forums
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[20:34:41] Ryushin: Is there any trick in make xv work on a laptop when you have an external monitor plugged in? I can see a picture and do everything, playing back recordings is just showing a blank screen.
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[20:50:06] Vantage13: hi, what resolution should I set X to use for output to an analog TV? I've got it at 640x480 at the moment, is that correct?
[20:50:42] Vantage13: i've also tried 720x480 as well
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[20:53:17] Vantage13: This is for NTSC
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[21:03:01] Vantage13: is option tuner type still used in newer versions of ivtv?
[21:03:02] hhhjr: I have been looking for some documentation to see if I can use the IR receiver in my Nvidia mx400 personal cinema breakout box and have not come up with nothing.
[21:03:20] hhhjr: Anyone know if it will work with mythtv?
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[21:04:57] xris: hhhjr: if it works with lirc, it will work with mythtv
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[21:07:23] hhhjr: yes I know that is the case but I havent found it in the list but I did find some info on the web
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[21:14:51] Weezey: Do slave backends automatically archive their files to the master when they're running out of space?
[21:15:30] Weezey: I have all of these files on my master backend and I'm not sure how they got here and that's the only real reason I can think of for them to be there.
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[21:24:14] dvhart: I've upgraded from .18 to .20. I can watch recordings, but while it has all my recording schedules, it says there are no upcoming recordings
[21:24:18] dvhart: any ideas?
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[21:26:32] PaulWay: Can anyone help me with an LVM issue?
[21:27:00] PaulWay: I figure someone in this channel has probably adgered LVM and recovered it at one stage... :-/
[21:27:19] dvhart: sorry PaulWay just one disk in my setup
[21:27:26] PaulWay: dvhart: Is there any programme guide?
[21:27:38] dvhart: yup, the program guide is populated
[21:27:44] dvhart: and I can find future recordings
[21:27:54] dvhart: or rather, future episodes that _should_ be recorded
[21:28:30] dvhart: both mythweb and mythfrontend report zero upcoming recordings
[21:28:34] dvhart: weird
[21:29:54] dvhart: MythTV Encoder status is empty
[21:30:01] dvhart: it doesn't list the cards
[21:30:02] dvhart: hmmm
[21:30:26] fryfrog: maybe use "mythtv-setup
[21:30:30] visit0r: anyone have any ideas for reducing tearing?
[21:30:32] dvhart: I ran that
[21:30:42] fryfrog: and the "delete all recorders"
[21:30:43] dvhart: fryfrog, and the cards are defined as before
[21:30:46] fryfrog: then re-setup the cards?
[21:30:48] fryfrog: oh :/
[21:30:48] dvhart: hm
[21:30:56] fryfrog: wait, "encoder" or cards?
[21:30:57] dvhart: yeah, might be worth setting them up again
[21:31:20] dvhart: well, mythweb calls it "Encoder Status"
[21:31:31] dvhart: but all the entries in mythtv-setup look correct
[21:32:03] fryfrog: ah, gotcha
[21:33:21] dvhart: huh, the log says there are no valid capture cards
[21:33:24] dvhart: weird
[21:33:29] dvhart: ok, will rerun setup
[21:36:27] dvhart: nice
[21:36:38] dvhart: can't see what changed... maybe the schema didn't update properly
[21:36:42] dvhart: seems to work now
[21:36:43] dvhart: thanks
[21:47:31] banyan: I am having a cute problem where if I run my mythfrontend on my nvidia card, it segfaults. But if I run it in a vnc session, it's happy.
[21:47:44] banyan: This doesn't depend on which painter I use. It dies immediately on startup.
[21:49:17] banyan: this since I updated my kernel on my fc6 system to 2.6.18–1.2849.fc6
[21:51:13] jams: did you update the nvidia driver?
[21:51:33] tracy: ohh, that is going to suck
[21:52:01] tracy: once i got a stable myth box, i tend to leave the kernel updates well alone
[21:53:23] banyan: Yeah, I have to because they depend on a kernel module.
[21:53:31] banyan: This all from rpms.
[21:53:31] Vantage13: when mythtv plays live TV is it using mplayer as the player or does it have its own internal player?
[21:53:58] thedward: It has its own internal player
[21:54:42] banyan: which, incidentally, uses up 50% of the CPU when playing back to a pvr-350 and approx 0% when playing back to the monitor.
[21:54:49] banyan: on my machine anyway.
[21:55:38] thedward: It puts no noticeable load on my box playing back through my nvidia card
[21:55:47] banyan: nor on mine.
[21:56:03] Vantage13: thedward: i'm trying to figure out why video output looks wrong (zoomed in and not scaled properly) on my pvr. If I cat /dev/video0 and copy that over to a pc the video looks fine, but when I watch TV it's wonky. So I copied over a video file and played that, mplayer within mythvideo, and that's wonky too. However the mythtv interface looks fine.
[21:56:04] thedward: does the pvr-350 video out just suck that way? or is it a mythtv problem?
[21:56:43] thedward: Vantage13: have you tried messing with your recording profiles?
[21:56:58] banyan: It's a mythtv problem, since 0.20.
[21:57:20] banyan: It used to play back without the CPU noticing.
[21:57:34] thedward: huh. I wonder what they changed to make that happen.
[21:58:19] thedward: wait, isn't that the one that has the mpeg decoder built in? (To make it take /less/ processing)
[21:58:44] banyan: Yes.
[21:59:16] banyan: And even if the CPU was doing the work and sending bitmaps to the card it would still not take appreciable CPU usage.
[21:59:51] Vantage13: thedward: it doesn't seem to be the recording that's the issue, but the playback. I've copied over other video files and they end up displaying in a similar manner.
[21:59:56] banyan: It's like it is constantly sitting on the send buffer or something, throwing a frame in every time a frame is used or sometning.
[22:00:12] Vantage13: thedward: i've tried messing with the overscan settings with no luck as well...
[22:01:35] thedward: Vantage13: what input card are you using?
[22:02:29] Vantage13: thedward: pvr-150 for the input, s-video out on a Radeon 9100 for the output (asus pundit-r)
[22:03:49] thedward: Vantage13: Oh. I misread what you said. I thought you had copied over one of the recording mythtv made to another box and it looked wonky.
[22:04:19] thedward: Vantage13: do the menus and everything else look fine?
[22:04:55] Vantage13: thedward: sorry, nope. I can record with cat /dev/video0 to an mpg and it looks fine when displayed on a PC (so the recording itself is ok). I also took a proper non-myth mpg and played it on the box and it comes out wonky
[22:05:02] Vantage13: thedward: yup, that's the strange thing
[22:05:28] Vantage13: thedward: only when playing video. That's why I thought maybe both live TV and video playback used mplayer and it was an mplayer issue
[22:05:41] Vantage13: thedward: but if it uses it's own player than that changes things...
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[22:08:05] sPiN: hey everyone, i am having trouble watching live tv
[22:08:26] sPiN: it tells me something is recording, but i havent recorded anything in months
[22:08:59] sPiN: and when i got media library and try to view media library it lists football game that everytime i delete it, it is still there
[22:09:27] sPiN: i do not mind clearing my database if someone knows how to gix it back again easily
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[22:23:19] Dagmar: sPiN: Check out the mysql database dump command.
[22:23:39] Dagmar: Type "mysql(tab)(tab)" and you'll see it in the list.
[22:24:14] sPiN: i would rather be more selective than that
[22:24:17] Dagmar: It can take whatever parts of the database you want, and dump them to a flat file that is a big ol' SQL script that you can reimport later just like when you did `mysql < mc.sql` to build the initial database when you installed
[22:24:48] Dagmar: You can dump mythconverg in it's entirety, or you can just dump some of the tables
[22:25:30] banyan: by dump he means save to a file.
[22:25:31] Dagmar: I've used it a bit heavy-handedly lately to find and change obscure settings I didn't feel like plodding through the setup menus over
[22:25:45] banyan: not dump as in trash.
[22:26:20] Dagmar: banyan: I thikn at the very least he would have gotten the idea that it's a restorable operation from the second half of the explanation
[22:27:19] banyan: Porrida que engles no esta la primera por el.
[22:27:53] banyan: at any rate, dump is ambiguous.
[22:27:59] Dagmar: I've already got someone doing my lawn, thanks.
[22:28:15] Dagmar: "dump" isn't ambigious to anyone whose worked with databases professionally before.
[22:28:20] sPiN: im a web developer, i use mysql every day, so i knew what you were talking about
[22:28:25] Dagmar: See.  :)
[22:29:15] Dagmar: bleh. s/whose/who's/;
[22:29:17] sPiN: i guess im asking if their is a howto explaining the mythtv database tables
[22:29:21] Dagmar: lol
[22:29:29] Dagmar: sPiN: Ask for cold fusion next.
[22:30:09] sPiN: trial and error it is
[22:30:10] Vantage13: thedward: Finally figured out after weeks of hunting! :)
[22:30:24] Dagmar: Every time I get the wild idea I'm going to start dumping the db and trying to document it in the wiki, I sober up before I get too far
[22:30:44] Vantage13: thedward: fscking ATI piece of crap... It's a bug in their driver when Overlay is set to On.... argh...
[22:31:05] Dagmar: ....and I start cursing entirely too much just looking at what it stores and why
[22:31:17] Vantage13: thedward: thanks for all your help!
[22:31:21] Dagmar: Particularly the MythVideo bits
[22:32:00] Dagmar: I'm just taking it on faith that the cooling fan dying is the reason I had to take my myth box offline until replacement parts came in...
[22:32:27] Dagmar: ...as opposed to it being yet another variation on the "mythvideo+dagmar's patch == explody-go-boom" theme
[22:33:02] Dagmar: I actually got two button presses into testing it before it fell over the last time
[22:33:11] GreyFoxx: Vantage, what problems was it causing you ?
[22:33:25] Dagmar: Maybe I should take a week or two and actually learn C++
[22:33:39] Vantage13: GreyFoxx: stretched s-video output. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=249846
[22:34:11] GreyFoxx: ahh ok, I thought maybe you were having the blueshifted colours problem that Intel And ATI drivers run into sometims
[22:34:14] Vantage13: GreyFoxx: took me forever just to figure out whether the problem was the PVR-150, the ATI card, or mythtv....
[22:34:36] Vantage13: GreyFoxx: I don't look forward to finding more ATI problems, but I'm sure they're coming... stupid ATI...
[22:34:59] Dagmar: Well, you *could* buy a cheap-ass MX 440 card and switch them out when you suspect something's broken
[22:35:02] sPiN: there are 73 tables here, i would like to clear the table containing recordings
[22:35:05] Dagmar: They're like $15
[22:35:34] sPiN: and does anyone know of a db field that contains a parameter to tell mythtv it is recording?
[22:35:38] Dagmar: sPiN: It's not, um, quite as well laid out as you might hope for.
[22:36:06] Dagmar: I think the backend figures that out as it goes along
[22:36:36] Dagmar: ...or at least I've not encountered that particular table yet if it does exist
[22:36:57] sPiN: well mine wont let me delete this nfl game from months ago
[22:37:08] sPiN: and it thinks it is recording so i cant watch tv
[22:37:15] Dagmar: CRaaaap
[22:37:40] Dagmar: sPiN: I can suggest a heavy handed grepping.
[22:37:56] Dagmar: sPiN: I do regularly wind up dumping the WHOLE of mythconverg and just grepping it for keywords
[22:38:22] sPiN: well can i drop the entire table and start from scratch?
[22:38:24] Dagmar: I'd start with the filename it thinks it's using to record the football game to and work backwards from there
[22:38:26] sPiN: that sounds faster to me
[22:38:28] Dagmar: You should be able to
[22:38:46] Dagmar: I would back it up first tho
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[22:39:10] sPiN: well i dont really have anything worth saving
[22:39:19] Dagmar: That's good
[22:39:37] Dagmar: I'm going to be swapping DVDs out for awhile, backing up Eureka and a few other thigns I've been recording all summer long
[22:40:16] Dagmar: I figure if I'm going to upgrade the thing to Slackware 11, replace the case and the power supply, and basically remove all the legacy parts, I might as well convert the two 250Gb drives to a striped array while I'm at it
[22:40:27] Dagmar: ...and 250Gb is twice as large as any other drive I own
[22:41:11] Dagmar: This is faster than waiting for UPS to bring me a 500Gb drive, but not by much
[22:41:59] Dagmar: Damn technology's relentless march forward.
[22:42:22] Weezey: argh
[22:42:28] Weezey: I just rebooted for no reason
[22:42:36] Dagmar: Sure you did.
[22:42:51] Dagmar: It was just a "sub-qualifying" reason.
[22:42:53] Weezey: I typed reboot before I changed the default kernel to boot from
[22:43:05] Weezey: so now I need to reboot yet again.
[22:43:41] Dagmar: Could be worse
[22:43:54] Dagmar: You could have done it after you'd changed the default kernel, but before you'd installed the modules.
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[22:46:19] Weezey: true. Damn, my BIOS has alsheimers
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[22:47:20] Dagmar: Yeah, but it probably has free space in it
[22:47:46] Dagmar: I have a newer, larger chip on order that i *think* I can stick in this motherboard and use
[22:48:00] Dagmar: I will have to do no less than three unpleasant things to make it happen tho.
[22:48:31] Dagmar: So like, I'm doing this with the *spare* board in case I get an HMCF error
[22:48:53] Dagmar: The lengths I am going to just to get a fancy splash screen.  :/
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[22:50:05] Dagmar: So, yes, I am planning on replacing the 1Mb eeprom with a 2Mb eeprom, and forcing amibcp to just shut up and do what I say
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[22:51:07] mog: hi
[22:51:32] mog: im upgrading from mythtv .18 to .20 what do i need to do to fix my db for mysql 5
[22:51:46] Weezey: does it not work?
[22:52:00] Weezey: I didn't have to do anything for mine to go from 4 to 5
[22:52:05] mog: myth used to use the word repeat as column
[22:52:16] mog: which is a reserved word in mysql5
[22:52:20] mog: which was not in 4
[22:52:38] mog: i was wondering if i needed to run a script on my db
[22:52:39] Dagmar: MySQL 5, when I last checked, was still not quite breaking the 99% compatibility mark
[22:52:47] Weezey: hmm. maybe I'm not running 5...
[22:52:47] Dagmar: I'd stick with the latest 4
[22:53:11] mog: yeah was what i was gonna do but according to myth wiki its fixed
[22:53:16] mog: i just wanted to upgrade my db
[22:53:21] mog: but if its not being done yet meh
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[22:59:44] juski: whee plenty people telling me they like the look of the new theme. spose I'll have to finish it soonish
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[23:00:55] sputnick: hey
[23:01:11] sputnick: why does my mythtv-setup says Floating point exception?
[23:01:19] sputnick: something fucked i can tell :)
[23:01:21] Dagmar: Hopefully nowhere
[23:01:31] Dagmar: It ain't MythTV that contains that string.
[23:02:12] JimDS: Anyone know what the default burn speed is for MythArchive?
[23:02:29] JimDS: I've been burning a 2 hour DVD for 40 minutes already.
[23:03:14] sputnick: Dagmar?
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[23:03:34] tracy: what should VBR quality/quantisation be set to in nuvexport to xvid? currently it is 6, options 1–31
[23:04:09] juski: tell ya something. xine doesn't half crash a lot when you play those interactive dvds
[23:04:12] juski: :(
[23:04:35] tracy: i love MythArchive, except for the part that before i can do any navigation i have to wait for the music to stop :(
[23:05:10] russK: is it possible to cancel an in-progress recording?
[23:05:19] Dagmar: Yep
[23:05:21] sputnick: should be
[23:05:34] russK: what do i do?
[23:05:45] sputnick: Dagmar: u have any ideas why the floating point exception
[23:05:46] Dagmar: Enabling picture-in-picture mode will get you a dialog to that effect
[23:05:58] Dagmar: sputnick: Either a bad build or RAM that needs testing
[23:06:08] sputnick: ok
[23:06:18] sputnick: so theres no specific reason
[23:07:44] JimDS: I've never used MythArchive before, so I really don't know what to expect.
[23:07:53] JimDS: If the burn ever finished, I'll be very impressed.
[23:07:57] mog: so upgrading from .18 to .20 nothing to worry about?
[23:08:09] RyeBrye: Do most SATA cards work with linux?
[23:08:17] ** RyeBrye sees Staples has an "early bird" special – 200 GB SATA drive for $20 after rebate... and is thinking $20 HD + $20 SATA = $40 for 200 gigs more recording space... not a bad deal **
[23:08:30] juski: mog: back up your database, back up the db, back up the database
[23:08:50] mog: yeah i backed it up
[23:08:53] mog: i do that weekly
[23:08:55] mog: just in case
[23:09:03] mog: dont want to lose my program data
[23:09:07] juski: mog: back up just before you upgrade then
[23:09:26] juski: then if you ever decide you need to roll it back, you _can_
[23:10:05] mog: yeah but rolling back my install , and mysql != fun
[23:10:13] mog: have had to do it once by accident
[23:10:44] JimDS: I've had no problems with my SATA drives in Ubuntu and FC5
[23:11:02] JimDS: My DVD just finished — 54 minutes to burn a 2 hr DVD. Is that normal?
[23:11:20] juski: JimDS: sounds fast to be honest
[23:11:21] RyeBrye: What speed burner?
[23:11:31] mog: if its 4x that sounds around right
[23:11:39] mog: or even 2x i think
[23:11:55] juski: a fair bit of that time was prolly processing time anyway
[23:12:13] RyeBrye: Even if the burner is fast, the media might be slow (even if it says 16x media – the driver might not like that brand of media, and will only write at 8x...etc.)
[23:12:17] Dagmar: Ooo I'll be able to burn at 16x in the new case since it actually weighs something
[23:12:32] RyeBrye: Weight influence burning speed?
[23:12:35] RyeBrye: Oh – because the tower wont rock?
[23:12:38] Dagmar: You wanna *avoid* 16X if your drive does any kind of vibration or wobble
[23:12:42] Dagmar: Heh yeah
[23:12:46] RyeBrye: Yeah, makes sense
[23:13:07] juski: for the amount of discs I burn, 4x is enough
[23:13:19] juski: never made a dvd coaster :)
[23:13:20] JimDS: It was 54 minutes for the burn. About 90 minutes including the transcoding.
[23:13:43] juski: then again I've not tried mytharchive in anger yet
[23:13:55] Dagmar: ooo that would be mean
[23:14:06] JimDS: Looks like I just made a coaster
[23:14:13] simcop2387: hmm maybe thats why i have trouble burning above 6x? vibrations? or is that still too low [its not drive throughput in either case they can both do it]
[23:14:28] juski: crappy discs more than likely
[23:14:30] simcop2387: at 8x it pauses all the time to do the burn
[23:14:35] simcop2387: juski: thats what i figured
[23:14:43] Dagmar: simcop2387: Could be quite easily. Some media that's rated for 16x is also just bullshitting if it was suspiciously cheap
[23:15:02] simcop2387: Dagmar: same with cd's years before :)
[23:15:03] Dagmar: Something's not right there if it's pausing
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[23:15:27] juski: it's ridiculous now. dvdr discs are less than a tenth of the price of a decent quality video tape from days of yore ;)
[23:15:27] simcop2387: Dagmar: it'll pause the writing and the read light will come on, but if i bump the burn speed down to 6x it burns fine
[23:15:35] Dagmar: I keep buying little batches of them because i haven't figured out who all's ATIP information is complete bullshit yet
[23:15:55] Dagmar: That sounds like it's underrunning to me
[23:16:07] ** juski honestly can't remember the last time he burned a disc that didn't have a linux distro on it **
[23:16:26] Dagmar: That's where probably 3/4 of mine go
[23:16:29] Dagmar: That and backups
[23:16:43] Dagmar: <--actually *does* make weekly backups at home
[23:16:53] juski: I wouldn't trust a backup on recordable media as far as I could throw an anvil
[23:16:59] Dagmar: I need some cheap bluray rewritables
[23:17:26] Dagmar: juski: Well, there's the whole media verification step that people take for granted
[23:17:32] juski: haha yeah
[23:17:54] juski: still, I have a wallet of CDs & DVDs I burned a few years ago that are still worky
[23:17:59] Dagmar: The author of MondoBackup gave a presentation to the log LUG about it's development
[23:18:08] Dagmar: He had an interesting method of change control.
[23:18:10] juski: but then I didn't burn them at a million x though
[23:18:17] Dagmar: He'd make his changes and then back up the entire system.
[23:18:42] Dagmar: If it restored, the changes were probably good. If not, well, the previous backup takes care of removing the bad changes
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[23:19:49] Vantage13: hi, with two tuner cards, how do you control which tuner you're using?
[23:19:56] RyeBrye: Y
[23:19:59] RyeBrye: or is it "V"?
[23:20:05] Dagmar: There's a key that flips between them (if the other one is actually free)
[23:20:07] RyeBrye: There is a key to switch between them
[23:20:13] Dagmar: You can also tell it to prefer one or the other for recordings
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[23:20:20] juski: Y
[23:20:28] Vantage13: Dagmar: where do you tell it which one to prefer?
[23:20:32] juski: Y to change cards, C to change inputs
[23:20:36] Dagmar: It's in there in the recording settings
[23:20:40] juski: Vantage13: tuner priorities
[23:21:09] Dagmar: Now that you know about it I'll wager you can find it just by telling ti to record something and paying attention to the menus
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[23:21:40] Vantage13: juski: thanks. If you are recording a program and go to watch live TV, will it automatically select the free tuner card to watch on?
[23:21:45] djperegrine: hey when I watch TV xorg is using most of the CPU, but this isn't true for totem for example
[23:22:04] djperegrine: this means xv isn't working correctly right?
[23:22:42] juski: looks like I might be able to revert back to minimyth soon. Pablo is gonna build & test ticket 2412 & if good, lemme download it :)
[23:22:48] juski: djperegrine: could be
[23:23:01] juski: anyway I'm drunk & tired. time to hit the hay hey hey
[23:24:01] djperegrine: well its bad right ?
[23:27:59] RyeBrye: Anyone looking for more RAM – Staples has 1 Gig PC 3200 for $40 on black friday
[23:28:09] RyeBrye: (pc3200 works in PC2700 slots too)
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[23:29:32] shiznix: how does one adjust the fontsize in the Program Guide ?
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[23:36:34] D-side: Strider: imagine seeing you here. :D
[23:36:41] Strider: :P
[23:36:47] Strider is now known as hjohnson
[23:36:54] hjohnson: not y normal nick on freenode
[23:36:55] D-side: you're kidding me.
[23:37:00] D-side: thats hilarious.
[23:37:03] hjohnson: haha
[23:37:11] D-side: all this time i had no idea, and you weren't offering up that info. bastard.
[23:37:24] hjohnson: ptbtbtb
[23:37:31] D-side: thanks for the url anyway. :D
[23:37:37] hjohnson: you're welcome
[23:37:45] hjohnson: I'm looking to build myself a new Myth FrontEnd
[23:37:51] shiznix: bah, seems the font-size for most pages is hard set by the themes and must be hand edited in /usr/share/mythtv/themes/<theme_dir>/ui.xml
[23:37:55] hjohnson: thinking a EPIA board, with a PCI NVidia card
[23:38:03] shiznix: this is getting tedious
[23:38:08] D-side: well if these guys don't help you, you know where to find me (on two other networks for chrissakes)
[23:38:17] D-side: hjohnson: xbox!
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[23:38:40] hjohnson: D-side: meh
[23:38:44] hjohnson: i know I know
[23:38:56] D-side: best tv out i've found, and i've used a bunch of stuff for FEs
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[23:39:09] D-side: wait. you don't care about TV out.
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[23:39:14] hjohnson: D-side: why would I use TV out? i'm just gonna get a nice DVI LCD
[23:39:15] D-side: you'll plug them into monitors or something.
[23:39:20] D-side: already called it.
[23:39:29] hjohnson: yep
[23:39:30] D-side: its amazing how much more helpful i can be when i know who you are. :D
[23:39:41] hjohnson: since my current TV is 25 years old and has knobs
[23:39:54] D-side: oh i well recall. get a nice 22".
[23:40:08] D-side: I did. heh
[23:40:29] hjohnson: heh
[23:40:59] D-side: okay, i really DO have to split. later.
[23:42:08] hjohnson: ciao
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