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| [00:04:26] | imperfect-: | Anyone have any good suggestions for transcode settings so my stuff won't look like VHS ;) |
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| [00:07:28] | tryrt: | how can i change the timezon ntp is for |
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| [00:08:18] | tryrt: | with /etc/localtime right? |
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| [00:09:40] | tryrt: | nevermind got it |
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| [00:51:42] | hhhjr: | could someone please help out a newbie getting the nvidia drivers installed and I have read the ubuntu guide? please |
| [00:52:59] | kormoc: | what about the readme that comes with the nvidia drivers? |
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| [00:53:16] | czth: | # emerge nvidia # done |
| [00:53:50] | hhhjr: | yes I am reading that now |
| [00:54:22] | symbolik: | i've determined that i need to edit my xmlids but where do i find the true values |
| [00:54:55] | symbolik: | url of the channel on zap2it? |
| [00:55:09] | symbolik: | 5 digit number? |
| [01:00:01] | WAR_CH|LD: | in the mythtv-setup, dose anyone know if the user job arguements are also honoured in orther places/options eg for mythtranscode and mythcommflag? |
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| [01:05:55] | r3z: | Anyone enable svideo out on an nvidia card? |
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| [01:13:01] | PSU: | hi guys, anyone ever have a problem w/ a frozen BIOS (and PC) during the install of knoppmyth? |
| [01:13:17] | r3z: | if BIOS freezes it prolly has nothing to do with knoppmyth |
| [01:14:01] | PSU: | well would it have to do w/ the Linux install? |
| [01:14:06] | PSU: | the install works perfectly |
| [01:14:23] | r3z: | if BIOS freezes you have bigger issues |
| [01:14:25] | r3z: | usuall |
| [01:14:26] | r3z: | y |
| [01:14:58] | PSU: | i can get right into BIOS w/ the HDD unplugged |
| [01:15:04] | PSU: | try 2 separate HDDs |
| [01:15:06] | xris: | r3z: svideo just sort of works when you enable the tv out |
| [01:15:08] | PSU: | both had the same problem |
| [01:15:16] | PSU: | even w/ a perfect install of knoppmyth |
| [01:15:36] | r3z: | xris, where would I enable the tvout? |
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| [01:21:53] | levander: | What's the network lag like watching TV if you separate Myth into a front and back end? |
| [01:23:04] | iFreak: | what should i change in X configuration if my screen is to big for my tv |
| [01:23:07] | iFreak: | like it goes off the edge |
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| [01:24:44] | sPiN: | hello everyone, im having problems compiling .20 this machine has .19 now |
| [01:24:47] | levander: | iFreak: I don't know about Myth, but in just regular X-windows you use xvidtune or randr |
| [01:25:11] | levander: | I have no idea if its the same or not |
| [01:25:49] | sPiN: | this is the error i get durring the make /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-suse-linux/4.1.0/../../../../x86_64-suse-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt , but i have libqt-mt in /lib64 and /qt3/lib64 and those paths are in etc/ld.conf |
| [01:26:08] | GreyFoxx: | iFreak: it's actually suppose to do that,but most video drivers have some sort of overscan controls |
| [01:26:45] | iFreak: | it is supposed to? |
| [01:26:51] | iFreak: | bu i cant even see the next button |
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| [01:27:16] | GreyFoxx: | Yes, all standard TV's overscan the content. You don't actually see all of the video your TV is displaying |
| [01:27:45] | GreyFoxx: | If you are only concerned about the myht menus you can edit the gui size and offsets to fit the menus exactly |
| [01:33:45] | iFreak: | okay thanks |
| [01:33:58] | iFreak: | how can i make it so that the tv is recorded at 720x480 |
| [01:34:04] | iFreak: | i changed the default recording profile |
| [01:34:08] | iFreak: | but no go |
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| [01:40:48] | iFreak: | man im dumb |
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| [02:36:40] | symbolik: | what codec do i need to view television recorded in mythtv? |
| [02:39:42] | seth|laptop: | if i had to take a stab at what I use I would say mpeg2dec and ffmpeg |
| [02:40:16] | xris: | symbolik: mythtv generally plays back its own recordings pretty well. |
| [02:41:19] | symbolik: | oh i meant on windows, i just transferred an mpg over and it woulnd't play |
| [02:41:33] | symbolik: | i use klite mega codec pack, don't normally run into a missing codec |
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| [02:44:55] | xris: | if you recorded an mpg file (as opposed to the software-encoded nuv files), you need something capable of playing mpeg2, and depending on the source of the recording, something that can play mpeg transport streams. |
| [02:45:14] | xris: | or use the lossless mpeg2 encoder in mythtv to cut out commercials and turn the transport stream into the more common program stream format. |
| [02:46:04] | symbolik: | really appreciate the help |
| [02:46:13] | symbolik: | got something i recorded i think a lot of people should see |
| [02:46:51] | xris: | don't talk about that stuff here, it's not legal where most of us live. |
| [02:47:03] | symbolik: | ah |
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| [02:50:17] | xris: | anyway, removing commercials is good, anyway. |
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| [02:51:15] | xris: | and most mpeg2 players will play the PS format.. transport stream is used to encapsulate streams for broadcast stuff (I'm going to assume that yours is from DVB) |
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| [02:58:58] | kamil111: | hey guys |
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| [02:59:27] | kamil111: | i keep getting a WARNING: something is currently using: /dev/dsp, retrying. when trying to play music... any ideas??? |
| [03:00:37] | kamil111: | it was working before... but now thats all i get |
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| [03:01:09] | russK: | i saw that when trying to watch tv and it turned out to be permission problems i think (it was a while ago) |
| [03:01:13] | cesman: | hello hello |
| [03:01:28] | kamil111: | hmm |
| [03:01:57] | kamil111: | thats weird, im not supposed to running mythtvfrontend as a superuser right? |
| [03:02:19] | cesman: | it isn't recommended |
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| [03:02:35] | russK: | i run it as regular user member of video and audio groups |
| [03:03:06] | kamil111: | yeah thats what my mythtv user is. |
| [03:03:15] | kamil111: | i just tried it as super user and still same error |
| [03:03:43] | russK: | sorry maybe i'm leading you astray |
| [03:04:13] | opello: | lsof and see what has /dev/dsp open? |
| [03:05:12] | russK: | oh yeah, or fuser |
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| [03:06:41] | kamil111: | sudo fuser |grep '/dev/dsp' gives me nothing |
| [03:07:11] | kamil111: | i mean sudo lsof |grep '/dev/dsp' gives me nothing |
| [03:07:26] | russK: | i think it would be "sudo fuser /dev/dsp" |
| [03:07:51] | kamil111: | nothing either |
| [03:08:28] | kamil111: | :( |
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| [03:09:49] | kamil111: | thats wierd... if i open up a media player and play a mp3, and run either of those commands... it still comes up as nothing |
| [03:12:29] | russK: | and why doesn't the media player have the same trouble opening /dev/dsp |
| [03:12:54] | kamil111: | yeah... thats wierd |
| [03:13:18] | cesman: | I'd suggest you run mythtv from a term and try to watch tv |
| [03:13:18] | kamil111: | if i play a movie from mythtv it works fine too |
| [03:13:31] | cesman: | <alt><tab> to the terminal and check the output... |
| [03:13:51] | cesman: | ahhh if TV is your problem that is... |
| [03:14:12] | kamil111: | i dont have a tv card in there yet, im just using it for movies/audio |
| [03:14:24] | kamil111: | so if i play a movie, everything works fine |
| [03:14:25] | cesman: | well, whatever the issue is |
| [03:14:30] | kamil111: | dvd works fine too |
| [03:14:36] | kamil111: | audio gives me an error |
| [03:14:43] | cesman: | you should see some output in the terminal |
| [03:14:43] | kamil111: | ill copy and paste it |
| [03:14:46] | kamil111: | 1 sec |
| [03:15:18] | kamil111: | 2006-11–15 22:15:08.022 Opening audio device '/dev/dsp'. |
| [03:15:18] | kamil111: | 2006-11–15 22:15:08.022 Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp'. |
| [03:15:18] | kamil111: | 2006-11–15 22:15:08.022 WARNING: something is currently using: /dev/dsp, retrying. |
| [03:15:29] | kamil111: | :( |
| [03:16:10] | cesman: | well, do you have some other program running? |
| [03:16:23] | kamil111: | nope |
| [03:16:30] | cesman: | desktop? |
| [03:16:43] | kamil111: | uhh... except that... i have gnome |
| [03:17:46] | cesman: | does gnome still use esd? |
| [03:18:05] | kamil111: | umm i dunno |
| [03:18:10] | WAR_CH|LD: | in the mythtv-setup, dose anyone know if the user job arguements are also honoured in orther places/options eg for mythtranscode and mythcommflag? |
| [03:18:11] | kamil111: | how can i check? |
| [03:18:27] | cesman: | I don't know |
| [03:18:30] | WAR_CH|LD: | in like the menu before, for setting up job que's |
| [03:18:49] | cesman: | I have not used GNOME is some time |
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| [03:18:54] | kamil111: | hmm |
| [03:19:27] | russK: | kamil111: do you know how to use strace? |
| [03:19:50] | kamil111: | nope.. |
| [03:19:51] | cesman: | did you compile mythtv and plugins yourself? |
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| [03:20:02] | kamil111: | no i used apt-get install myth |
| [03:20:13] | kamil111: | it was working fine earlier today though |
| [03:20:26] | cesman: | which distro? |
| [03:20:40] | kamil111: | ubuntu |
| [03:21:04] | cesman: | I'd suggest checking the Ubuntu wiki/forum |
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| [03:21:31] | kamil111: | i did already:( |
| [03:22:04] | cesman: | sorry, I don't know what to tell you.... |
| [03:22:33] | kamil111: | i tried strace... it gives me a bunch of wierd stuff |
| [03:23:39] | russK: | you might see an "open" call returning an error code |
| [03:25:42] | kamil111: | hmm i dont see anything like that |
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| [03:27:04] | russK: | yes I tried it here and it's definitely like drinking from a firehose :-P |
| [03:27:20] | kamil111: | haha |
| [03:27:23] | kamil111: | yea |
| [03:27:38] | kamil111: | i tried piping it through grep and still gives me a bunch of crap |
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| [03:29:34] | russK: | Anyone know if you can run mythcommflag on a different box from the backend? My backend is too slow ... I want to watch my news the same night I record it |
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| [03:52:30] | WAR_CH|LD: | in the mythtv-setup, dose anyone know if the user job arguements are also honoured in orther places/options eg for mythtranscode and mythcommflag? this is the menu before you setup the customised user jobs. |
| [03:52:36] | baxter_k: | Hi. Can anyone offer suggestions as to how to get TV shown in myth? I know the tuner is properly set up because I can watch /dev/video0 through mplayer and use ivtv to change the channel. |
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| [03:53:04] | hjohnson: | baxter_k: that doesn't mean that myth is properly setup to use the tuner.. i'd say try re-adding the tuner. |
| [03:53:26] | baxter_k: | hjohnson: I've already done that. |
| [03:53:32] | hjohnson: | hmm.. dunno then |
| [03:54:04] | baxter_k: | Could it have anything to do with my second tuner (dvico fusion5 configured as dvb?) |
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| [04:12:37] | P4C0: | hello |
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| [04:15:08] | P4C0: | hello can someone explain me a little bit the function of mythtv?? I have tv cable, my operator give me a box... is mythtv a replacement and enhacement of that box? |
| [04:15:26] | kormoc: | likely not |
| [04:17:19] | kormoc: | P4C0, http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual: . . . is_MythTV.3F |
| [04:17:45] | P4C0: | kormoc, humm yes that's what I thought... I don't like the idea to have 2 remote controls... |
| [04:17:57] | kormoc: | you wouldn't need one |
| [04:18:05] | kormoc: | myth can control your cable box, and you control myth |
| [04:18:22] | kormoc: | you would need a irblaster and setup lirc, but it can be done |
| [04:19:21] | P4C0: | kormoc, humm interesting :D |
| [04:19:48] | P4C0: | kormoc, problem is that my tv cable provider is strange... (cableonda.net) panama city panama... sure never tested before with mythtv :p |
| [04:20:22] | kormoc: | there's been a few users from that area of the world in here from time to time, but it is true, it's not a large number |
| [04:20:57] | P4C0: | kormoc, I'm worry about disk usage... 80 gigs is ok? |
| [04:21:16] | kormoc: | Depends on how much you want to record, how high of a quality you want to use, and the capture card |
| [04:22:03] | kormoc: | I use a pvr 250, and I record at the default settings, which gives me 800 megs per 30 minutes |
| [04:22:04] | P4C0: | kormoc, I'm planning in setting one pc for mythtv, photos, asterisk, and music streaming... :p |
| [04:23:30] | P4C0: | 2 sata disk 80 each... soft raid... who knows... I'm not sure about mythtv... have been any sad ending stories?? |
| [04:23:58] | kormoc: | well, there's been a quite a few people who don't feel it meets their wants/needs, but a large majority like it |
| [04:24:44] | P4C0: | kormoc, cool :) |
| [04:26:16] | P4C0: | kormoc, does mythtv uses transcode? |
| [04:26:48] | kormoc: | it uses it's own fork of it for internal transcoding, and via nuvexport, you can export via transcode/ffmpeg/mencode |
| [04:28:43] | P4C0: | :) works fine in slackware? freebsd? |
| [04:28:53] | GreyFoxx: | slackware yes |
| [04:29:00] | kormoc: | any linux, you can get it working, if you are decently good at it. |
| [04:29:07] | GreyFoxx: | freebsd I'm sure not if the frontend will still compile on it or not |
| [04:29:20] | kormoc: | but the backend never worked, right? |
| [04:29:30] | P4C0: | GreyFoxx, ok, no problem about freebsd... slack is more than enough :D |
| [04:34:39] | baxter_k: | Could someone please assist me in diagnosing why I cannot get live tv in myth? |
| [04:35:49] | kormoc: | post the logs in a pastebin and link away |
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| [04:49:01] | slackusr: | does the mysql database need to be on the localhost or can it be a remote machine |
| [04:49:26] | kormoc: | can be remote |
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| [04:50:13] | slackusr: | ok all i needed to know cause i cant setup a local but have a remote just need to figure out how to setup the connection |
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| [04:53:38] | defaultro: | hi folks |
| [04:54:07] | kormoc: | Mornin' |
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| [05:11:34] | morten: | what effect does changing the qt style have? |
| [05:13:09] | kormoc: | if you switch it to opengl, it enables opengl effects, like fading between menu pages and what not |
| [05:13:15] | Captain_Murdoch: | will make things that are qt widgets look a little differently, like checkboxes and buttons also I think. |
| [05:13:48] | morten: | kormoc: sure that's not the menu style you're referring to? |
| [05:13:55] | Captain_Murdoch: | kormoc: no, that's the painter |
| [05:14:02] | kormoc: | ooh, oops |
| [05:14:04] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [05:14:11] | kormoc: | so you mean qt style as in the qt theme? |
| [05:14:17] | morten: | qt style can be set to desktop, windows, motif, cde, motifplus, platinum and sgi |
| [05:14:20] | morten: | what are those? |
| [05:14:40] | morten: | i have no idea, kormoc. maybe. |
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| [05:15:06] | kormoc: | ahh, yeah, I see |
| [05:15:27] | morten: | what does it do? |
| [05:15:29] | cesman: | you'd probably notice the difference more if you ran the frontend in a window from the sound of it... |
| [05:15:40] | kormoc: | morten, run qtconfig |
| [05:15:48] | kormoc: | there's a gui style dropdown box there |
| [05:15:55] | Captain_Murdoch: | no, it affects items that are qt widgets, just like the help text says on that screen. |
| [05:16:00] | kormoc: | you can switch between them and see what it does in the preview box |
| [05:16:06] | Captain_Murdoch: | doesn't matter if it's in a window or fullscreen or what.. |
| [05:16:30] | kormoc: | personally, I like CDE the best |
| [05:16:37] | defaultro: | hi kormoc, morning too |
| [05:16:40] | morten: | does it only matter if menu style is set to qt? |
| [05:16:50] | kormoc: | shouldn't |
| [05:17:21] | Captain_Murdoch: | where do you see "menu style" on the setup page? |
| [05:19:21] | morten: | appearance |
| [05:19:24] | morten: | above qt style |
| [05:19:32] | Captain_Murdoch: | that says "Paint Engine" |
| [05:19:43] | morten: | yes. that's the one. |
| [05:19:45] | Captain_Murdoch: | that is how the menus are drawn. |
| [05:19:53] | morten: | in your crazy english version |
| [05:19:55] | Captain_Murdoch: | doesn't affect how qt widgets are drawn. |
| [05:19:56] | Captain_Murdoch: | :) |
| [05:20:02] | morten: | what are qt widgets? |
| [05:20:08] | Captain_Murdoch: | checkboxes, buttons |
| [05:20:24] | Captain_Murdoch: | change it and then go back into that screen and look at how the "use a random theme" checkbox looks different |
| [05:20:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | and the comboboxes will look different as well I believe. |
| [05:22:44] | morten: | wow. i was hoping my life would be enriched or something. but that was actually pretty lame. |
| [05:22:58] | morten: | all that for this? a slightly different little square? a square i hardly ever see? |
| [05:23:01] | morten: | yay... |
| [05:23:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | makes checkboxes easier to read sometimes, some people like their comboboxes to look different, etc.. I set it to keramik because it's easier to read the checkboxes on the TV from across the room. |
| [05:23:48] | morten: | i don't have that option |
| [05:23:55] | morten: | is there a super secret qt style package? |
| [05:24:23] | Captain_Murdoch: | don't know where it came from, I don't run kde or gnome on this system so it must be in the main qt package. |
| [05:24:37] | morten: | what distro? |
| [05:25:13] | Captain_Murdoch: | :) redhat 9 w/ manually applied qt-3.3.6 and qt-devel-3.3.6 packages. :) |
| [05:25:25] | morten: | redhat? you poor fucker. |
| [05:25:26] | Captain_Murdoch: | very modified RH9. |
| [05:25:58] | morten: | qt aside. can i have mythnews download whole articles? |
| [05:26:04] | Captain_Murdoch: | too much time spent tweaking it. don't need to upgrade to get any features I need. |
| [05:26:05] | morten: | just reading headlines got old after about three minutes. |
| [05:26:37] | Captain_Murdoch: | don't know, don't use that. would assume you could click or use INFO or MENU keys on an item, but never used it so I can't be sure. |
| [05:26:53] | morten: | i get the headline, and below there's an infobox with two-three sentences. |
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| [05:30:00] | morten: | how do you guys suspend to ram? |
| [05:30:15] | kormoc: | in short, I don't |
| [05:30:23] | morten: | that was really short |
| [05:30:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | suspend to disk using suspend2 |
| [05:30:49] | morten: | i've been playing with that. but for some reason, it doesn't resume when i boot back up. |
| [05:31:01] | morten: | it appears to hibernate properly, but it doesn't resume. |
| [05:31:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | never seem to get resume working with suspend-to-ram on my newer laptop. on the old one it just didn't last long enough to be worthwhile so I just always suspended to disk. |
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| [05:36:25] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: hey do you know of any plans to incorporate mythtv internal player into mythvideo? |
| [05:37:51] | kormoc: | hrm? |
| [05:37:59] | kormoc: | it already works in mythvideo |
| [05:38:08] | kormoc: | and mythdvd |
| [05:38:32] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: so I can disable mythvideo from using mplayer? |
| [05:38:41] | kormoc: | indeed |
| [05:38:57] | kormoc: | just set it to Internal (and save the command line if might want to go back) |
| [05:39:17] | SlicerDicer-: | ? |
| [05:39:25] | SlicerDicer-: | type internal instead of mplayer? |
| [05:39:34] | ** SlicerDicer- boggles ** | |
| [05:39:36] | kormoc: | with a capital I |
| [05:39:36] | Captain_Murdoch: | capital I |
| [05:39:40] | SlicerDicer-: | alright |
| [05:39:53] | SlicerDicer-: | rock on |
| [05:39:54] | SlicerDicer-: | thats great |
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| [05:50:34] | defaultro: | anyone here familiar with AutoPatch products? |
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| [06:34:46] | tryrt: | what settings do all you use for your pvr 150? |
| [06:34:58] | tryrt: | or any other mpeg2 encoder |
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| [06:40:17] | Dagmar: | Honestly, the defaults |
| [06:42:05] | tryrt: | it seems a little fuzzy to me |
| [06:42:36] | tryrt: | i have 720x480 at 4.5–6.5 |
| [06:42:43] | tryrt: | mbps |
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| [06:43:00] | tryrt: | would the size of my tv effect that |
| [06:43:02] | tryrt: | i have a |
| [06:43:06] | tryrt: | 52' i think it is |
| [06:43:11] | DGnome: | :D |
| [06:43:17] | DGnome: | 52 feet? |
| [06:43:24] | tryrt: | 52" |
| [06:43:24] | tryrt: | haha |
| [06:43:31] | DGnome: | oh, okay |
| [06:43:38] | DGnome: | started to get yealous ;) |
| [06:44:01] | hjohnson: | "Frank's 2000 inch tv" |
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| [07:02:49] | RyeBrye: | Yipee! A woot-off has started |
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| [07:19:32] | kraut: | moin |
| [07:21:05] | juski: | "you call _that_ 2000 inches?", she asked argumentatively |
| [07:22:01] | juski: | morning btw :) |
| [07:22:20] | kormoc: | harsh, harsh juski :P |
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| [08:13:27] | xris: | ok, for all of you multi-tuner svn users out there, mythweb now officially supports input preference selection. |
| [08:13:44] | xris: | and I can go to sleep. :) |
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| [08:45:34] | k-man: | i have been finding that my backend crashes every so often |
| [08:45:40] | k-man: | anyone else had that happen with .20? |
| [08:45:46] | k-man: | like once a month or something |
| [08:46:27] | Dagmar: | I'm getting the frontend falling over (and taking the whole damn machine with it) more than that |
| [08:46:35] | k-man: | really? |
| [08:46:40] | k-man: | that never happens to me |
| [08:46:56] | Dagmar: | Well, I'm working (in vain) with the 0.20-fixes from SVN |
| [08:47:36] | k-man: | really |
| [08:47:37] | k-man: | ? |
| [08:47:44] | k-man: | are you sure its not a hardware issue? |
| [08:47:48] | Dagmar: | Quite |
| [08:47:55] | k-man: | its unusual that software would bring the whole machine down |
| [08:48:03] | Dagmar: | Not when X is involved |
| [08:48:12] | k-man: | what happens... the machine reboots? |
| [08:48:29] | Dagmar: | Nope. Just stops responding entirely |
| [08:48:41] | Dagmar: | Usually dropping to the text console while it's at it |
| [08:48:44] | k-man: | damn, thats annoying |
| [08:48:56] | k-man: | anyway |
| [08:48:57] | k-man: | tgt |
| [08:48:59] | k-man: | gtg even |
| [08:49:04] | Dagmar: | k |
| [08:49:04] | k-man: | good luck with it |
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| [09:11:05] | pat_: | softpad is the bomb, I'm glad I got it to compile |
| [09:11:14] | pat_: | for users in australia it is a must |
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| [09:13:33] | ivor: | juski: all um-theystolemydistro-bonged? |
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| [10:01:40] | Beakster: | hi, im getting an error in my mythbackend.log " AutoExpire: ERROR when trying to autoexpire file" |
| [10:01:56] | Beakster: | i recently changed my recordings path |
| [10:02:02] | Beakster: | how can i stop these error messages? |
| [10:08:01] | Dagmar: | Wait for them to all expire, or manually clean up your database. |
| [10:09:31] | Beakster: | how long to expire? |
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| [11:50:54] | juski: | ivor: just about |
| [11:50:57] | juski: | works great! |
| [11:51:23] | juski: | I just need to get rid of the desktop manager & slim it down some more |
| [11:52:43] | pat_: | (/me mutters something about being taught to fish when all he wanted to do was eat fish) |
| [11:57:39] | ** juski laughs ** | |
| [11:58:12] | ivor: | heh, most of us are happy just to watch TV and let the wife get the fish. |
| [11:58:13] | juski: | bloody windows users & their aversion to learning |
| [11:59:20] | juski: | there are limits though.. which is why I changed to ubuntu in the 1st place |
| [11:59:58] | juski: | gonna also try minimyth 0.20–20 soon & see if that works. but the config file stuff has changed _again_. becoming a bit of a pain all the changes between revs |
| [12:03:21] | juski: | quite impressed by ubuntu on my little epia box though... it's very nippy for a 1ghz machine |
| [12:03:54] | pat_: | svn is easier than I thought it would be |
| [12:04:04] | pat_: | and I already knew the debian packaging tools |
| [12:11:09] | juski: | time to grab some lirc & get that worky |
| [12:16:30] | imperfect-: | Hey Juski — master of all things myth. |
| [12:16:49] | imperfect-: | COuld you possibly suggest transcode settings that don't make my stuff look like VHS ? ;) |
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| [12:50:42] | imperfect-: | Anyone know what I can do to be able to watch HDTV over a wired 100mbps LAN? |
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| [13:16:54] | fryfrog: | imperfect-: HDTV over 100mbit is easy. You should easily be able to do 2–3 HD streams |
| [13:17:02] | fryfrog: | HD is *max* 19mbit |
| [13:22:12] | Dagmar: | Not if you can't do math |
| [13:22:26] | Dagmar: | Then it's "OMG big!" and requires the most expensive thing you can think of |
| [13:22:34] | fryfrog: | what, like a farrari? |
| [13:22:35] | Zider: | fryfrog: how do you calculate that? |
| [13:22:42] | Dagmar: | More like a riced-up CRX |
| [13:22:42] | fryfrog: | how do i calculate what? |
| [13:22:53] | Zider: | 19mbit for hdtv |
| [13:23:00] | fryfrog: | erm, its part of the HD spec? |
| [13:23:15] | fryfrog: | i mean, it might be like 19.2 or like 18.1 or something |
| [13:23:28] | fryfrog: | but its ~19mbit max (1080i? or 720p) i forget which |
| [13:23:47] | fryfrog: | 1080i is ~~ 540p, so wouldn't 720p be more data? |
| [13:24:30] | Dagmar: | What?!? |
| [13:24:35] | Zider: | ah, didn't know it was in any specs, I've only found resolutions and stuff |
| [13:25:04] | Dagmar: | interlaced does *not* mean only half the data of progressive scan. |
| [13:25:11] | Dagmar: | All it does it change the order the scan lines are sent in |
| [13:25:40] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: what? interlacing means half the lines are painted every frame |
| [13:25:52] | fryfrog: | how is that *not* half the amount of data? or very close to half |
| [13:25:55] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: Yes, and they come twice as fast as p |
| [13:26:06] | Dagmar: | One frame == one complete redraw |
| [13:26:17] | fryfrog: | ah, so 60fps instead of ~30 fps? |
| [13:26:37] | Dagmar: | No, 30 instead of 15 |
| [13:26:52] | fryfrog: | 720p is not 15fps, i'm sure |
| [13:26:58] | Inkubot: | i can't add rss feeds to mythnews :( |
| [13:27:06] | Dagmar: | That's right, it's 30, not 15 |
| [13:27:14] | Dagmar: | Let me spell this out for you... |
| [13:27:21] | fryfrog: | so 720i would be 15fps? |
| [13:27:30] | fryfrog: | (if it existed) |
| [13:27:42] | Dagmar: | interlaced means odd lines, then even lines, frame complete. progressive means all lines in order, frame complete. |
| [13:27:59] | Dagmar: | GET THIS NONSENSE ABOUT ONE PASS TAKING THE SAME LENGTH OF TIME OUT OF YOUR HEAD |
| [13:28:22] | Dagmar: | Just assume for hte moment that the little magic leprechaun wand that travels down the screen moves twice as fast with an interlaced image |
| [13:28:53] | Zider: | same fps, twice the draw speed then? |
| [13:28:59] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [13:29:03] | Zider: | damn |
| [13:29:08] | Zider: | I thought I had it |
| [13:29:25] | Dagmar: | Interlaced means that while every other line *is* drawn in a run, every *other* line is also, simultaneously, *not* drawn |
| [13:29:40] | Dagmar: | 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10. |
| [13:29:53] | Dagmar: | Not 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, pause, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10. |
| [13:29:59] | Dagmar: | As opposed to 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 |
| [13:30:08] | Dagmar: | or 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 |
| [13:30:11] | Dagmar: | then 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 |
| [13:30:18] | Dagmar: | is also bunk |
| [13:30:31] | Dagmar: | All the i/p means is the order the scan lines are sent in. |
| [13:30:49] | Dagmar: | ...because CRTs are hellishly slow about fading once the gun has blasted their phosphor |
| [13:31:08] | Dagmar: | ...and plasma/tft displays just _stay_ lit, so there's no reason not to send a progressive signal |
| [13:32:03] | Dagmar: | ...since all it does is update cell states in some video memory |
| [13:32:24] | Dagmar: | A CRT doesn't actually have video memory. The phosphor gets zapped, it glows for awhile and then goes out. |
| [13:32:52] | Dagmar: | Interlaced signals are sent to them, because otherwise the screen would appear to flicker madly as the top part of the screen would be fading as the bottom is drawn |
| [13:33:08] | fryfrog: | While 720p presents a complete 720 line frame to the viewer between 24 to 60 times each second (depending on the format), 1080i presents the picture as 50 or 60 partial 540 line "fields" |
| [13:33:20] | Dagmar: | Like the difference between using the nozzle on your hosepipe to spray your lawn |
| [13:33:40] | Dagmar: | You can use the focused stream and swing the hose back and forth and *try* to cover it evenly |
| [13:33:48] | Zider: | but shouldn't the beam move from topleft corner to bottomright corner twice as fast in interlace? |
| [13:33:58] | Dagmar: | ...or if you're a TFT/plasma, you can just turn the thing on wide spray and stand still |
| [13:34:08] | Dagmar: | Zider: It does |
| [13:34:15] | Dagmar: | but not quite |
| [13:34:17] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: I don't think you are correct |
| [13:34:24] | Dagmar: | It moves the same speed from left to right, it just skips every other line |
| [13:34:41] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: I think I'm really damn sure I'm correct since I used to do raster-based interrupts on a commodore 64. |
| [13:34:51] | fryfrog: | okay, fine then |
| [13:34:51] | Zider: | Dagmar: ah, that's what I meant when I said "twice the draw speed" :) |
| [13:34:58] | Dagmar: | Specifically, I wrote a lot of code that simply assumed I had exactly 83 clockcycles per raster line |
| [13:35:32] | Dagmar: | I could do 83 clockcycles worth of stuff before the gun would move the next line down, and I'd have to change the background color or move the sprites |
| [13:36:05] | Dagmar: | That sort of thing makes you *acutely* aware of how a TV scans. |
| [13:36:17] | Dagmar: | I also built my own light pen because I couldn't afford to buy one. |
| [13:36:19] | Zider: | :) |
| [13:36:31] | Zider: | I wish I could code like that :P |
| [13:36:46] | Dagmar: | It's a lot easier on the C-64 than it would be now on a modern CPU |
| [13:36:54] | Dagmar: | For one thing, there were only 256 possible instructions |
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| [13:37:22] | Dagmar: | All you could possibly need to know was in a book about an inch thick. |
| [13:37:38] | fryfrog: | 25 – 27 Mbps I found for a data rate on one site |
| [13:37:43] | Dagmar: | Everything beyond that was just a matter of how kinky you got with your logiv |
| [13:37:47] | Dagmar: | s/logiv/logic/; |
| [13:37:51] | quicksil1er: | most of the instructions took the same number of cycles, too |
| [13:38:00] | quicksil1er: | and it wasn't that hard to remember which ones took how many |
| [13:38:16] | Dagmar: | Yeah, mostly the type of instruction it was dictated whether it was 2, 3, or 4 cycles |
| [13:38:24] | Dagmar: | Not real hard to remmeber or figure out |
| [13:38:44] | Dagmar: | You could practically hear the tiny little gears clicking |
| [13:38:49] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [13:39:46] | fryfrog: | 19.4 Mbps of the DTV channel |
| [13:40:07] | Dagmar: | I must definitely have a smoke now |
| [13:46:01] | juski: | I know that feeling |
| [13:46:20] | fryfrog: | ah well, i can't find anything with the data rate specs for atsc |
| [13:46:25] | juski: | ivor: another funny thing. tv out q. is WAY better in ubuntu than minimyth. figure that out |
| [13:46:35] | fryfrog: | i'm relativly sure that ~19mbit is the bw allocated / channel |
| [13:46:39] | juski: | fryfrog: max 19mbps I thought, per channel |
| [13:47:00] | juski: | or, simply not enough ;) |
| [13:47:01] | fryfrog: | juski: I ubuntu'd my fe/slave be last night, on a spare drive |
| [13:47:10] | juski: | heh. congrats |
| [13:47:11] | juski: | :) |
| [13:47:19] | fryfrog: | got my master ready to move to ubuntu, just need to wait for a slow time |
| [13:47:25] | fryfrog: | when there aren't many good shows on :) |
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| [13:47:39] | fryfrog: | juski: what does your master backend run on? |
| [13:51:39] | D-side: | i realize this is all listed on countless wikis and docs pages, but for OTA HD in north america, who likes whta card? |
| [13:51:58] | D-side: | i'd prefer a testimonial for the moment, if anyone's willing to discuss. |
| [13:52:12] | Dagmar: | juski: Is Mimimyth using a different resolution for the TV Output? |
| [13:52:49] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: I do QAM HDTV on a pair of air2pc cards and they work nice |
| [13:52:53] | Dagmar: | I meant the thing about the bug report on 1024x768 vs 800x600. I've been through three different nVidia cards now, and all three gave a brighter, more colorful image at 1024x768 as opposed to 800x600 |
| [13:52:56] | fryfrog: | er, D-side i mean |
| [13:53:14] | Dagmar: | I'd just run at 800x600 if the picture weren't notably duller.. |
| [13:53:34] | fryfrog: | D-side: of course, the poor cards don't do analog at all |
| [13:53:37] | D-side: | fryfrog: i didn't see them at pcalchemy.com. |
| [13:53:50] | D-side: | fryfrog: i'm thinking of splitting my backends. one for analog, one for hd |
| [13:53:53] | fryfrog: | i got them from... humm, i guess the people that make it? |
| [13:53:56] | fryfrog: | D-side: why? |
| [13:54:03] | D-side: | because i can. no other reason. |
| [13:54:03] | GreyFoxx: | Dagmar: Really? What kind of card is it ? |
| [13:54:09] | fryfrog: | oh :) |
| [13:54:11] | GreyFoxx: | oh, 3 different cards |
| [13:54:13] | GreyFoxx: | hmm |
| [13:54:25] | GreyFoxx: | I'll have to try that later see if I notice a difference |
| [13:59:29] | fryfrog: | D-side: analog is for little girls who like MLP :) |
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| [14:01:57] | ivor: | juski: weird. perhaps they've got a really old unichrome cut in minimyth? |
| [14:04:53] | juski: | fryfrog: ubuntu |
| [14:05:11] | juski: | ivor: AFAIK minimyth's openchrome driver is recent |
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| [14:05:23] | ivor: | strange |
| [14:05:28] | juski: | very |
| [14:05:36] | juski: | and knoppmyth just looked awful |
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| [14:13:23] | otwin: | openchrome driver in minimyth is 'openChrome Xorg graphics driver SVN 227' |
| [14:13:32] | juski: | you remember me saying that with the svideo output I got slight interference with minimyth on very saturated colours like blue? not so in ubuntu, even at the same res. something must be up with it |
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| [14:21:38] | ivor: | juski: can you check what version xorg.log reports using? |
| [14:21:59] | ivor: | I assume it's the current xorg tree version. |
| [14:22:56] | ivor: | but there shouldn't be any differences in the driver tv code in that. |
| [14:27:12] | Inkubot: | where i can info of how to build a display in mythtv ? |
| [14:27:38] | Inkubot: | i want to put together mythnews and mythweather |
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| [14:34:28] | Tommck: | I am running 0.20 on ubuntu dapper and my backend process crashes occasionally, sometimes when I'm not around, and I'm missing recordings. I am using the /etc/init.d script that was installed. Is there a mod to that to make it auto-restart? Or a way to make the backend process auto-restart? |
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| [14:39:34] | Inkubot: | Tommck with cron maybe ? |
| [14:40:01] | Tommck: | Inkubot do a script that checks for the process running and restarts if it's not? |
| [14:40:20] | Inkubot: | something like that.. |
| [14:40:33] | Tommck: | hmmm... I guess that's a possibility |
| [14:41:30] | GreyFoxx: | Or run the backend in a while loop |
| [14:41:39] | GreyFoxx: | if it dies it loops around and restarts |
| [14:41:52] | GreyFoxx: | though I'd add a small delay to the restart |
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| [14:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | and make it log that it died :) |
| [14:43:01] | Tommck: | GreyFoxx – could I do that inside the /etc/init.d script? |
| [14:43:37] | GreyFoxx: | Having never seen that script I know nothing about it |
| [14:44:00] | Tommck: | OK |
| [14:44:34] | jduggan: | juski: any ideas when you're gonna release that new theme of yours :) |
| [14:47:59] | juski: | jduggan: when it's finished sammit |
| [14:48:05] | juski: | dammit even |
| [14:48:17] | juski: | been busy sorting out my frontend's new niggles |
| [14:48:34] | jduggan: | ok ok, keep ur knickers on :) |
| [14:48:52] | juski: | right. no release this year then! |
| [14:50:20] | jduggan: | ok so my gf seems to have set every instance of 'BBC News' to record (which i can see from upcoming recordings) i already manually stopped all of these once, but since my latest mythfilldb its flagged all the updated showings to record, how do you remove it from following them? |
| [14:50:44] | Tommck: | delete * from girlfriend; |
| [14:50:45] | juski: | fdisk? |
| [14:51:23] | jduggan: | she's obviously set record all showings from this name, but i dont get an option to stop that.. only stop the individual recording |
| [14:51:48] | Tommck: | change the setting to never record this. |
| [14:51:53] | psofa: | juski, about the sound messages: they come up no matter the deinterlacing setting and on channels with only one audio track (though all my channels have some dvb/vbi data) |
| [14:52:03] | seth|laptop: | yeah change the setting in upcoming recordings |
| [14:52:13] | seth|laptop: | click it, then do "never record" |
| [14:52:39] | jduggan: | seth|laptop: i dont have that option only 'do not allow this showing to be recorded' |
| [14:52:48] | jduggan: | which still allows all the other instances to record.. |
| [14:53:31] | seth|laptop: | are you using mythweb |
| [14:53:48] | jduggan: | nope |
| [14:54:04] | seth|laptop: | ah, thats is what I was referring to, way easier than anything else, appologies |
| [14:54:07] | ** Tommck wonders why ** | |
| [14:57:02] | psofa: | juski, ? |
| [14:57:04] | juski: | psofa: anyway my bongo'd epia plays stuff back juuust fine so I'll stick with that after modifying it some |
| [14:57:16] | juski: | must be a driver issue one way or the other |
| [14:57:20] | psofa: | juski, so you assume its nvidia? |
| [14:57:20] | juski: | not a myth issue |
| [14:57:35] | juski: | what's nvidia got to do with my case? |
| [14:57:50] | psofa: | ehm what video driver where you using on the crappy box? |
| [14:57:55] | juski: | unichrome |
| [14:58:12] | juski: | sorry openchrome :) |
| [14:58:19] | psofa: | and what audio one? |
| [14:58:42] | juski: | via somethingorother |
| [14:58:50] | juski: | via82xx |
| [15:01:04] | GreyFoxx: | well dangit. I accidentily reversed 2 lines when I commited them yesterday so the problem I was fixing wasn't fixed ;) |
| [15:02:59] | psofa: | juski, so on the other box you dont even get the sound messages? |
| [15:03:04] | psofa: | fu! |
| [15:03:15] | GreyFoxx: | The upnp streaming of recordings and other video content via upnp to mythvideo+internal player works suprisngly well |
| [15:06:15] | GreyFoxx: | With a few more options for sorting and returning metadata upnp streaming the mythvideo played stuff might be an option for people who complain about having to nfs mount their backend instead of the backend streaming the stuff |
| [15:07:01] | juski: | psofa: I dunno if I get the messages about the audio buffers. so long as the playback is flawless I couldn't care less tbh |
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| [15:11:16] | jduggan: | hmm, mythtv's 'edit recording' does it physically edit the recording, or just uses meta data to tell mythtv where to play from? |
| [15:12:51] | D-side: | i think i'll give an HDTV Wonder a shit. |
| [15:12:53] | D-side: | haha |
| [15:12:55] | D-side: | SHOT. |
| [15:13:18] | GreyFoxx: | jduggan: Meta data |
| [15:13:35] | GreyFoxx: | until you transcode/export/whatever |
| [15:13:38] | jduggan: | ah thought as much |
| [15:13:48] | jduggan: | yea, im having troubles transcoding |
| [15:13:53] | jduggan: | sec |
| [15:14:25] | juski: | oh that'll be the audio description track that appears half way into a recording & makes mythtranscode poo its pants |
| [15:15:17] | juski: | the joys of DVB-T eh |
| [15:16:15] | GreyFoxx: | heh one thing I found funny was when I did a mpeg2->mpeg2 transcode and the default audio track went from english to spanish :) if I wanted english I had to pick it from the menu :) |
| [15:16:21] | juski: | run the file through ffmpeg -i inputfile.mpg -vcodec copy -acodec copy outputfile.mpg & all will be well (it'll drop the 2ndary audio track, which you prolly didn't want in the first place) |
| [15:16:48] | juski: | how does that happen anyway? |
| [15:17:11] | GreyFoxx: | Which ? |
| [15:17:23] | Tommck: | if I have some DVD ISO files laying around, what's the easiest way to transcode them? I put a DVD in to transcode to "excellent" setting. It took 3 1/2 hours on a P4 3.2GHz... that just seems ridiculous |
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| [15:17:59] | juski: | GreyFoxx: misidentifying the audio streams |
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| [15:18:15] | GreyFoxx: | I'm never seen a fast linux based transcoding tool. Certainly nothing that touches avisynth+virtualdub |
| [15:18:34] | GreyFoxx: | juski: Really not sure, and my wife deleted it before I could test it :/ |
| [15:18:48] | GreyFoxx: | I don't have others with multiple audio tracks to look at now :/ |
| [15:19:39] | jduggan: | http://pastebin.ca/250031 is the error, it looks to me like an error with the video codec.. how can it not know what video codec it is? |
| [15:20:09] | GreyFoxx: | Hmmm... actually now that I think about it., I burned one to DVD to test on a different player, so I can test with that if I can find the disk |
| [15:23:13] | psofa: | anyone knows why bob2x flickers on both tv out and a crt monitor? |
| [15:29:25] | juski: | there's flicker, there's flicker, there's pausing, judderring.. which is which? ;) |
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| [15:30:29] | Dagmar: | Don't forget stuttering, halting, grinding, and spazzing |
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| [15:41:21] | psofa: | lol |
| [15:41:30] | psofa: | bob2x just flickers |
| [15:42:08] | psofa: | the whole frontend video though has spasms :P as tiny little breaks in video |
| [15:42:48] | psofa: | i dont know wtf is wrong with this thing |
| [15:43:09] | psofa: | one thing i notice is that the hd led flashes every second |
| [15:43:48] | psofa: | ive enabled realtime and extra audio buffering |
| [15:44:00] | psofa: | strange thing is that -v playback reports 25fps |
| [15:45:44] | GreyFoxx: | why are you constantly tryuing to use bob? You have been talking about it's flickering several times now |
| [15:46:06] | psofa: | GreyFoxx, because it seems to eliminate some of the jumpiness |
| [15:46:21] | psofa: | i dont care about interlacing artifacts actually :P |
| [15:46:43] | GreyFoxx: | define "jumpiness" :) |
| [15:46:45] | juski: | I've not heard from stuarta about my -v all log yet |
| [15:47:08] | psofa: | GreyFoxx, lets say i see some text moving in some direction |
| [15:47:14] | psofa: | its speed is not contstant |
| [15:47:19] | psofa: | *constant |
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| [15:47:39] | psofa: | for one moment i see it stopping and moving again |
| [15:47:52] | juski: | that's not the same problem I was having :) |
| [15:48:46] | psofa: | and that thing happens constantly and its really annoying because it makes people act unnatural |
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| [15:49:37] | psofa: | juski, btw your exaclt problem happens to me also in some channs with 2 or more audio tracks |
| [15:49:50] | psofa: | every 10secs or so i get a prebuffering pause |
| [15:49:54] | psofa: | and like a 2 sec pause |
| [15:50:11] | psofa: | but thats only with one chan in my list |
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| [15:50:56] | Borromini: | hello |
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| [15:51:23] | Borromini: | i ran into a problem building the mythtv svn fixes branch with xvmc support |
| [15:51:28] | Lathi: | i still haven't setup a mythtv system yet, but i'm weighing my options. I have a bunch of video already ripped to disk. i'd like to "prime" the backend with those shows/movies |
| [15:51:43] | Borromini: | errors: http://phpfi.com/175266 |
| [15:51:57] | Borromini: | i am building it against Qt 3.3.7, Xorg 7.1 |
| [15:52:02] | psofa: | so GreyFoxx any ideas? |
| [15:52:11] | Lathi: | is there any way to manually add shows into mythtv? |
| [15:52:26] | juski: | Lathi: see the wiki |
| [15:52:50] | juski: | anyway mythvideo is better for videos, funnily enough |
| [15:52:57] | GreyFoxx: | psofa: change your refreshrate would be my suggestion actually |
| [15:53:25] | GreyFoxx: | Lathi: Generally non recordings go into somewhere and mythvideo is used to access/play them |
| [15:54:20] | psofa: | GreyFoxx, for the flicker or jumpiness? |
| [15:54:26] | GreyFoxx: | both |
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| [15:55:10] | psofa: | GreyFoxx, maybe thats relevant.I have two monitors connected on the fe's gfx card.Maybe that could cause problems? |
| [15:55:19] | GreyFoxx: | it would |
| [15:55:23] | juski: | hello! |
| [15:55:27] | juski: | :) |
| [15:55:35] | GreyFoxx: | only one of them will be vsync'd so you would get flicker |
| [15:55:44] | GreyFoxx: | especially if you are using TVout + a monitor |
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| [16:00:23] | juski: | wonder if 0.20–19 minimyth was using CRT+tvout |
| [16:00:44] | juski: | not that it matters much now ;) |
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| [16:08:55] | psofa: | GreyFoxx, do you know if i have to check opengl vsync to nvidia-settings inorder to use myths ogl synching? |
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| [16:10:47] | morten_: | this is a lirc question, but there's hardly ever any people in there, and you guys know as much as they do anyways... |
| [16:11:05] | morten_: | is there a way to have irexec perform different tasks the first and second time a button is pressed? |
| [16:11:10] | morten_: | for mute/unmute, for instance |
| [16:12:10] | Lathi: | so i already have this philips pmdvr8 remote control (http://www.remotecentral.com/phdvr8l/index.html) what are the odds i can get it to work with mythtv? where should i start researching? |
| [16:13:03] | morten_: | do you have an ir receiver? |
| [16:13:10] | Lathi: | not yet |
| [16:13:28] | Lathi: | i'm trying to do all my planning before i purchase anything |
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| [16:13:52] | morten_: | probably a good idea |
| [16:14:13] | Lathi: | i've already got a debian/sarge server with lots of disk space. i'm just looking for the minimum i can spend to get it to connect to my tv and serve up content |
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| [16:14:26] | morten_: | lirc is pretty solid when it comes to universal remotes, tho |
| [16:14:40] | psofa: | morten_, i highly doubt it |
| [16:14:50] | Lathi: | i don't have cable, so i don't need tv capture. i'm using bitorrent to download my shows |
| [16:14:53] | morten_: | psofa: the irexec thing? |
| [16:14:53] | psofa: | morten_, but you could do it yourself |
| [16:14:57] | psofa: | yeah |
| [16:14:59] | morten_: | how? |
| [16:15:18] | psofa: | irexec could launch a script that knows how many times it was launched |
| [16:15:35] | morten_: | can i set if-states? like, if unmuted, run this command, if muted, run this other command? |
| [16:16:06] | psofa: | morten_, for example the script could check a file and see if it contains 0 for example it was the first time |
| [16:16:18] | psofa: | then do what you need to do and write an 1 in the file |
| [16:16:26] | morten_: | but it could just as well check the state of aumix, rite? |
| [16:16:41] | morten_: | that is, check the volume |
| [16:16:54] | psofa: | so the script eventualy checks the input file and decides what needs to be done |
| [16:17:20] | psofa: | morten_, if aumix provides its state via numbers |
| [16:17:56] | morten_: | it does. if i mute it first, aumix -w q (queries PCM) returns "pcm 0, 0" |
| [16:18:05] | morten_: | fucking hells yea. this could work. |
| [16:18:41] | morten_: | so, basically, "if `aumix -w q` = "pcm 0, 0" then aumix -w m, else aumix -w M" |
| [16:18:59] | morten_: | amirite? |
| [16:19:02] | psofa: | something like this :) |
| [16:19:15] | morten_: | how to execute? |
| [16:19:33] | psofa: | i suggest you go learn some bash scripting |
| [16:21:08] | sPiN: | hello everyone, im having problems compiling .20 this machine has .19 now, and i did not have these issues |
| [16:21:10] | sPiN: | this is the error i get durring the make /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-suse-linux/4.1.0/../../../../x86_64-suse-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt , but i have libqt-mt in /lib64 and /qt3/lib64 and those paths are in etc/ld.conf |
| [16:21:39] | Lathi: | recommended ir reciever? |
| [16:22:49] | seth|laptop: | got the badges juski – http://www.mad-penguin.org/mythtv/mythcenter2.JPG &ndash ; and the images from PG for the remote – http://www.mad-penguin.org/mythtv/harmony2.JPG – and now my system is complete – http://www.mad-penguin.org/mythtv/mythcenter5.JPG |
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| [16:24:06] | juski: | seth|laptop: you happy with them then? |
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| [16:24:21] | seth|laptop: | they are just what I needed |
| [16:24:25] | seth|laptop: | thanks again |
| [16:24:31] | seth|laptop: | got any left yet |
| [16:24:32] | sPiN: | VERY nice seth|laptop ! |
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| [16:26:10] | sPiN: | do you have a picture of the inside of the machine? |
| [16:26:47] | seth|laptop: | not yet, but when my howto for the lug is complete, I will have pictures of the entire process, including the inside :-) |
| [16:26:49] | sPiN: | looks like you did a beatiful job modding it... craftsmanship |
| [16:27:01] | sPiN: | great! |
| [16:27:33] | psofa: | juski, which ivtv ver are you using? |
| [16:27:39] | seth|laptop: | sPiN: try exporting your QT directory before building with something like 'export QTDIR=<path to your QT> |
| [16:28:43] | sPiN: | thanks seth|laptop, ill give that a shot... |
| [16:28:48] | seageek: | I just setup knoppmyth, but I get get the IR transmitter to work. I've been working through the knoppmythwiki but I am somewhat lost at this point. Any suggestions? |
| [16:28:59] | seth|laptop: | what kind of transmitter? |
| [16:29:06] | seageek: | pvr150 |
| [16:29:13] | seageek: | builtin the card |
| [16:29:15] | seth|laptop: | is it the mce one or the hauppage one |
| [16:29:19] | sPiN: | 19:25 blackrabbit:~/downloads/src/myth/mythtv-0.20> echo $PATH |
| [16:29:20] | sPiN: | /bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/lib/hxtools/bi n:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/gnome/bin:/opt/kde3/bin:/usr/lib64/qt3/bin |
| [16:29:22] | seth|laptop: | oh |
| [16:29:23] | seageek: | not the mce |
| [16:29:40] | seth|laptop: | run 'lirc-reconfig.sh' and select the hauppage option |
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| [16:30:39] | seageek: | thanks I'll give that a try and let you know |
| [16:31:02] | seth|laptop: | you have to be root or sudo to run that one, itsd in /usr/local/bin |
| [16:32:13] | seageek: | I am, I may have selected the wrong remote/transmitter during install, because it says: |
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| [16:33:12] | seageek: | you may still have to do some manual configuration for the 150's "IR-Blaster" |
| [16:34:28] | juski: | psofa: 4.x.x. god I dunno. it works |
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| [16:34:48] | juski: | seth|laptop: still got some left :) |
| [16:35:00] | seageek: | for the hauppauge, I think I chose "grey remote" instead of PVR-150 w/ Transmitter and Reciever |
| [16:36:35] | seageek: | can I re-run the mythtv-setup to fix this? |
| [16:37:04] | juski: | mythtv-setup has nothing to do with it |
| [16:37:27] | sPiN: | does /usr/lib/qt3 sound right for QTDIR= ? or would it be /usr/lib/qt3/bin ? or since im 64bit would i use lib64 bit rather? |
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| [16:37:38] | seageek: | is there a way to overide what I had for the ir config? |
| [16:39:03] | jduggan: | what is the difference between interlaced{normal|reversed) and progressive video? |
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| [16:40:18] | mkrufky: | jduggan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlaced |
| [16:40:36] | seth|laptop: | lirc-reconfig.sh will override what you have seageek |
| [16:40:45] | morten_: | psofa: problem solved. i found a script to do it with. http://www.nirvani.net/software/aumix-mute-toggle/ |
| [16:41:04] | morten_: | i had to change it slightly, to run it through bash (got a syntax error running it through sh), but it works like a charm |
| [16:41:11] | sPiN: | ahhh excellent! thanks seth|laptop export QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3 did it |
| [16:42:42] | seageek: | This is what I get when I chose option d, seth|laptop |
| [16:42:57] | seageek: | Which Hauppauge remote do you have? |
| [16:42:58] | seageek: | a. Black remote |
| [16:42:58] | seageek: | b. Grey remote |
| [16:42:58] | seageek: | c. Silver remote (A415-HPG) |
| [16:42:58] | seageek: | d. PVR-150 w/ transmitter and receiver |
| [16:42:59] | seageek: | e. Radio Shack Universal Remote |
| [16:43:00] | seageek: | f. PVR-150 w/ transmitter and receiver "dog bone" |
| [16:43:02] | seageek: | q. quit |
| [16:43:04] | seageek: | d |
| [16:43:05] | Dagmar: | DIE |
| [16:43:06] | seageek: | You may still have to do some manual configuration for the 150's |
| [16:43:08] | seageek: | "IR-Blaster". Please contact knoppmyth@gmail.com and provide details to further |
| [16:43:09] | morten_: | it does basically what you suggested, only a bit more verbose. it saves the a complete output of the current settings, and if you execute the script again it will look for that file, and restore the settings it contains. if not, it'll run the mute function. |
| [16:43:10] | seageek: | automate this process. |
| [16:43:12] | seageek: | System startup links for /etc/init.d/lirc already exist. |
| [16:43:13] | stuarta: | seageek: use a pastebin |
| [16:43:14] | seageek: | Stopping lirc daemon: lircmd lircd. |
| [16:43:15] | morten_: | fuck off and die, seageek |
| [16:43:16] | seageek: | Starting lirc daemon: lircd. |
| [16:43:22] | opello: | wow |
| [16:43:27] | opello: | geez so crass too |
| [16:43:31] | seth|laptop: | choose "c" |
| [16:43:34] | seageek: | sorry |
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| [16:43:39] | morten_: | secret option z. |
| [16:43:42] | morten_: | eat shit and die |
| [16:43:48] | opello: | haha |
| [16:43:51] | opello: | geez |
| [16:43:52] | Dagmar: | opello: Dude, it's like peeing in the corner. Above the age where you're allowed to walk without help, you're expected to know not to do these things |
| [16:44:06] | mkrufky: | seageek: next time just use pastebin or rafb.net ... .channel flooding pisss people off, as you can see |
| [16:44:06] | opello: | Dagmar: accidents happen, newbies do too |
| [16:44:20] | opello: | Dagmar: saying stuff like "zomg make it stop" int he middle is pointless |
| [16:44:21] | Dagmar: | opello: Newbies are expendable |
| [16:44:24] | morten_: | what happened to setting a flood limit? |
| [16:44:25] | opello: | Dagmar: it's already buffered! |
| [16:44:35] | Dagmar: | Unless they experience PAIN, their misbehaviour becomes "cute" |
| [16:44:36] | seageek: | thanks mkrufky, nice to see some people are nice to newbies |
| [16:44:37] | morten_: | he should have been given a timeout after 5 lines or so |
| [16:44:38] | opello: | Dagmar: :) |
| [16:44:56] | Dagmar: | opello: This is why there's a useful QUIT button on the corner of the oh-so-clicky GUI |
| [16:44:56] | jduggan: | how long would you expect mythtranscode to take to transcode a 3.2gb file video? |
| [16:45:00] | Dagmar: | Kills buffers dead |
| [16:45:05] | morten_: | how do accidents happen? hang on, let me attempt to paste 20 lines in irssi |
| [16:45:12] | mkrufky: | seageek: i've been quite mean to newbies also, it usually depends on how much coffee I drank that day |
| [16:45:13] | morten_: | o noes! i got a message asking me to confirm! |
| [16:45:15] | morten_: | unpossible! |
| [16:45:20] | mkrufky: | seageek: try not to hold it against them |
| [16:45:26] | opello: | Dagmar: and depending on the client, the buffer might not get freed and the client not exit until it's empty, and the socket not closed ... |
| [16:45:41] | Dagmar: | opello: Tough shit for them using a craptacular client then |
| [16:45:45] | opello: | anyway, :) |
| [16:45:46] | seth|laptop: | seageek: my 150 came with the MCE remote and USB receiver. I would assume "c" would be a safe option. and yeah, http://pastebin.ca its a life saver, hehe |
| [16:45:48] | Dagmar: | Don't make excuses for stupidity |
| [16:46:24] | opello: | i've accidentally pasted a few lines because of middle-click-paste, so i guess i don't see it as burning my soul |
| [16:46:31] | Dagmar: | dat iz how u get ppl typing lik this all d tim on irc and nevar lerning how 2 spell kthxbaibai~ |
| [16:46:46] | Borromini: | :P |
| [16:46:51] | Dagmar: | opello: And NOW you know better because people bitched you out for it |
| [16:46:57] | seth|laptop: | juski: I went to aquire 2 more badges, and the shipping is not populating, take your time, I know its late where you are :-) |
| [16:47:05] | opello: | Dagmar: it's was an Emulate3Buttons mishap, not intentional :) |
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| [16:47:39] | morten_: | fucking hot. mute works perfectly now. if anyone else wants a universally functioning mute button, this is the script you want: http://www.nirvani.net/software/aumix-mute-to . . . oggle_sh.asc |
| [16:47:43] | Dagmar: | opello: And you were still bitched out about it, and now you're more careful about clicking with a ton of crap in your pastebuffer |
| [16:47:45] | Dagmar: | Imagine that |
| [16:47:51] | morten_: | this script + irexec = :drool: |
| [16:47:52] | Dagmar: | Taking responsibility for one's own mistakes. |
| [16:48:08] | opello: | heh :) yup |
| [16:48:16] | morten_: | really, tho, if not for irssi thinking for me, i'd have fucked up lots of times, too |
| [16:48:33] | morten_: | it's really kinda retarded how other clients don't try to stop you from pasting hundreds of lines to a channel |
| [16:48:34] | opello: | but then you have people using ':drool:' after yelling at the other guy :p |
| [16:48:51] | opello: | irssi isn't infallible on a slow connection though |
| [16:49:00] | morten_: | meaning? |
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| [16:49:14] | opello: | that thing that says "you sure you want to flood 5 lines" won't fire |
| [16:49:19] | opello: | if you are sending slow enough |
| [16:49:30] | opello: | ssh+screen'd irssi, for example |
| [16:49:39] | morten_: | i always use that |
| [16:49:42] | morten_: | and i've never had a problem |
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| [16:50:13] | morten_: | i guess if you're on 32000 baud... |
| [16:50:14] | Dagmar: | At least they can spell "drool" correctly. |
| [16:50:30] | morten_: | how else do you spell drool? |
| [16:50:37] | morten_: | drohl? |
| [16:50:38] | Dagmar: | morten_: ask in #aol |
| [16:50:46] | morten_: | a/s/l? |
| [16:50:57] | opello: | ptyalism? |
| [16:51:01] | Dagmar: | I'm sure someting involving lots of tildes is popular among the functionally illiterate |
| [16:51:28] | Borromini: | looks like Jay-Z is back |
| [16:51:38] | Borromini: | erm wrong channel |
| [16:51:39] | sPiN: | seth|laptop, what is this circuit on top of the machine for? http://www.mad-penguin.org/mythtv/mythcenter4.JPG |
| [16:51:51] | morten_: | drõõl? |
| [16:52:03] | morten_: | Borromini: let me know when he leaves again |
| [16:52:08] | Lathi: | i'm looking to buy a usb ir receiver that is known to work with linux. i'm having a hard time finding anything that definitively says it works with linux |
| [16:52:13] | Borromini: | tsk tsk |
| [16:52:22] | morten_: | Lathi: why would it not work with linux? |
| [16:52:31] | morten_: | is it possible to create a proprietary ir receiver? |
| [16:52:58] | Lathi: | i don't know. i wouldn't have thought it was possible to create a proprietary modem either, but they did |
| [16:52:58] | sPiN: | the first time i looked at it, i thought it was just sitting, but it looks like it is bolted on, is that some sort of ac -> dc circuit? looks like a ac adapter jack on the front there |
| [16:53:11] | morten_: | how, Lathi? |
| [16:53:18] | Lathi: | winmodem? |
| [16:53:28] | morten_: | never had modem, so i've never heard of it |
| [16:53:32] | morten_: | but i'm sure it can be haxed |
| [16:53:51] | sPiN: | on closer inspection it looks like a sound card |
| [16:54:25] | seth|laptop: | sPiN: that is my MCE usb ir receiver, it actually gets installed inside the htpc case, but I needed to put a bigger IR receiver in it, and plan on putting it in this evening, it was cooling from the solder job, hehe, my bad |
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| [16:54:38] | morten_: | that's probably the ugliest hackjob i've seen today |
| [16:54:40] | morten_: | congrats, seth |
| [16:55:02] | sPiN: | seth|laptop, haha i was way off :P |
| [16:55:29] | sPiN: | i didnt think you have a raw circuit bolted to the top given the time you put in that case |
| [16:55:31] | seth|laptop: | that is what the inside of an MCE USB receiver lloks like, the bracket its mounted on, goes inside the case |
| [16:56:45] | seth|laptop: | yeah, my wife doesn't apprecite wires and circuit boards lying about, hehe, after that is inside, you'll never see any wires anymore, and then I will take some more photos, of the finished product for the howto |
| [16:56:52] | opello: | complete with mythtv badge, when do we get those: ) |
| [16:56:54] | seth|laptop: | appreciate even |
| [16:57:15] | morten_: | seth|laptop: http://s2.supload.com/files/default/htpc-rack.jpg |
| [16:57:17] | morten_: | me > you, amirite? |
| [16:57:38] | seth|laptop: | wow, very sharp |
| [16:57:49] | seth|laptop: | nice case |
| [16:57:58] | morten_: | thanks. wasn't that expensive, either. |
| [16:58:09] | Dagmar: | You have that case and an Ikea rack to put it in? |
| [16:58:21] | seth|laptop: | opello: the badges are available on ebay |
| [16:58:25] | Dagmar: | Umm... perhaps the concept of parity should be introduced. Heh |
| [16:58:31] | morten_: | Dagmar: priorities, y'know |
| [16:58:31] | seth|laptop: | there are 17, wait 15 left, as I just grabbed 2 more |
| [16:58:35] | opello: | seth|laptop: i didn't know if i'd just paypal juski or what |
| [16:59:08] | seth|laptop: | opello: well right now the shipping cost isn't populating, but I still have my order ready to go |
| [16:59:30] | morten_: | can you make the MCE receiver work with lirc? |
| [16:59:40] | seth|laptop: | morten_: that is what I'm using |
| [16:59:42] | morten_: | can it be sufficiently haxed? |
| [16:59:44] | morten_: | k |
| [16:59:57] | opello: | haxed? |
| [17:00:03] | seth|laptop: | needs the modules lirc_dev and lirc_mceusb2 loaded |
| [17:00:20] | seth|laptop: | I just added a bigger IR LED |
| [17:00:58] | ** seth|laptop is jealous of morten_ 's case ** | |
| [17:01:15] | Merlin83b: | Ah, silverstone, nice. |
| [17:01:28] | ** seth|laptop has "case envy" hehe ;-) ** | |
| [17:01:48] | Merlin83b: | http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/entry_via_nocd.html |
| [17:01:51] | Merlin83b: | That's what I have. |
| [17:01:53] | Merlin83b: | Mmm, silent. |
| [17:02:35] | stuarta: | nice |
| [17:02:38] | Lathi: | does the mythvideo allow you to organize the files at all or is it just one big list of videos? |
| [17:02:39] | Merlin83b: | Also, in black. |
| [17:02:55] | seth|laptop: | Merlin83b: does that box do HD, or just SD? |
| [17:02:58] | Merlin83b: | Lathi: Put them in folders. |
| [17:03:08] | Merlin83b: | seth|laptop: Just SD, it's running an Epia M10k |
| [17:03:21] | Lathi: | Merlin83b: so the browsing with mythvideo is based on the organization on the filesystem? |
| [17:03:31] | Merlin83b: | Yes, Lathi. |
| [17:03:33] | Dagmar: | Lathi: You have to use it first-hand to see how it's messed up |
| [17:03:39] | ** seth|laptop that would make a right sexy FE case for the daughters room. ** | |
| [17:03:45] | Lathi: | Dagmar: messed up? |
| [17:04:02] | Dagmar: | Lathi: You'll see |
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| [17:04:14] | Merlin83b: | seth|laptop: They do a smaller one (The T3) if you can put up with less space inside. I'd use that for FEs. |
| [17:04:54] | Lathi: | Dagmar: i guess i'd like to hold off on buying more equipment if the primary method of watching videos will be "messed up" |
| [17:05:10] | Lathi: | could you enlighten me any so i know something of what to expect? |
| [17:05:15] | stuarta: | not cheap tho. |
| [17:05:23] | Dagmar: | Lathi: You can watch videos with mplayer or totem or gxine or a whole HOST of other programs |
| [17:05:26] | Merlin83b: | True, stuarta. |
| [17:05:37] | Dagmar: | Lathi: If you're looking at Myth just because of MythVideo, you can go ahead and stop now |
| [17:05:45] | Dagmar: | ...and no, I will not sit here and outline it in detial. |
| [17:05:51] | Merlin83b: | I decided silence of the box was work paying for. Increases GAF :) |
| [17:05:52] | Dagmar: | s/detial/details/; |
| [17:06:43] | seth|laptop: | my box is pretty quiet, the A/V reciever under it has a much noisier fan |
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| [17:19:11] | thedward: | The page on the wiki about the PVR150 says the tinny audio problem can worked around by running a script after each channel change. Is there a way to automate that? |
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| [17:21:36] | jduggan: | thedward: i pass the cmd as part of my channel changer script |
| [17:22:08] | seth|laptop: | create a channel change script, put in the lines for your new script, and then put it in the "external" space in mythtv-setup |
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| [17:24:02] | thedward: | ah. got it. I was looking for something under setup in the front end. |
| [17:24:04] | jduggan: | im pretty pleased with my mythtv setup now, everything appears to work.. just have a few minor issues with the themes/ui more than anything |
| [17:25:48] | seth|laptop: | I just need some more storage |
| [17:25:53] | seth|laptop: | then I will be happy |
| [17:26:03] | jduggan: | oh yea i could do with some storage |
| [17:26:16] | jduggan: | =] |
| [17:26:21] | jduggan: | but storage is so cheap now |
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| [17:26:38] | seth|laptop: | yep, and the holidays are right around the corner, hehe |
| [17:26:58] | jduggan: | i'll wait untill i move house before i bother though.. i only use one tuner card at the moment but im moving next month so i'll get another tuner card then |
| [17:27:03] | jduggan: | its not worth the effort while im here |
| [17:27:32] | jduggan: | which leads me to a question, does anyone here use myth with NTL cable? |
| [17:27:33] | thedward: | I wish there was a way to setup a primary recording location and a secondary or backup one. Then I could set it to record to my fileserver, but if that fails to the local drive. |
| [17:27:36] | seth|laptop: | well I have 2 HD cards, and a 150, my recordings get filled up pretty quickly |
| [17:27:48] | jduggan: | shit |
| [17:28:02] | seth|laptop: | HD weighs in at about 7.1GB an hour |
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| [17:28:07] | jduggan: | haha |
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| [17:28:09] | jduggan: | mental |
| [17:29:05] | jduggan: | seth|laptop: how do you receive your HD signal? cable? |
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| [17:32:00] | mkrufky: | seth|laptop: that is at 1080i .... 720p is approx 5 GB / hr |
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| [17:33:31] | psofa: | err juski how did you solve those prebuffering pauses when there are 2 audio channels? |
| [17:34:32] | psofa: | was it that tvonly setting thing? |
| [17:35:58] | seth|laptop: | jduggan: over the air |
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| [17:36:30] | seth|laptop: | mkrufky: 1080i |
| [17:38:00] | jduggan: | seth|laptop: terrestrial? |
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| [17:42:50] | seth|laptop: | jduggan: well with an antenna, not the dish type |
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| [17:43:22] | jduggan: | seth|laptop: free to air? |
| [17:43:26] | seth|laptop: | yes |
| [17:43:34] | jduggan: | hmm nice |
| [17:43:44] | jduggan: | UK is a little behind i think |
| [17:43:49] | jduggan: | :o |
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| [17:45:28] | Merlin83b: | jduggan: Probably something to do with us having PAL SD and not NTSC :) |
| [17:46:14] | seth|laptop: | well the UK can use the dvb-t and the dish, doesn't that get more channels, I get like 10 abc, nbc, cbs, pbs, fox, and the tube network |
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| [17:46:52] | Merlin83b: | Yes, Sky has a lot of channels. |
| [17:47:20] | seth|laptop: | now is Sky a pay service, or is that free? |
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| [17:47:29] | Merlin83b: | Sky is very much a pay service. |
| [17:47:35] | Merlin83b: | Commonly referred to as $ky |
| [17:47:41] | seth|laptop: | hehe |
| [17:47:47] | Merlin83b: | (by juski, mainly) |
| [17:47:58] | seth|laptop: | well I could get more from cable, or dish hdtv, but that is $$ as well |
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| [17:48:25] | Merlin83b: | Freeview (DVB-T) in the UK is 40 or so channels, plus lots of radio channels. |
| [17:48:30] | seth|laptop: | as it stands, I have to watch scifi in SD :-( |
| [17:48:52] | Merlin83b: | As above, our SD is better than yours, but still SD. |
| [17:48:57] | seth|laptop: | but they only weigh in at 2.1GB an hour, so I can store more |
| [17:51:12] | jduggan: | dvb-t doesnt work with sky though does it, because of the decrypt stuff? |
| [17:52:20] | Merlin83b: | Sky is DVB-S |
| [17:52:30] | Merlin83b: | T=Terrestrial S=Satellite |
| [17:52:35] | Merlin83b: | (Also C=Cable) |
| [17:52:36] | jduggan: | yea thats what i meant |
| [17:52:39] | jduggan: | heh |
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| [17:57:14] | juski: | $ky is $ky is $ky |
| [17:57:17] | juski: | :) |
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| [18:01:02] | opello: | juski: do you have more than just 15 of those badges? |
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| [18:01:32] | opello: | or, probably first, is that you selling them on ebay :) |
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| [18:02:29] | GreyFoxx: | That's the graphic he did up, so it's likely him :) |
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| [18:02:52] | jduggan: | does anyone here use NTL cable for their myth feed? |
| [18:03:18] | qu0zl: | i use ntl analogue cable |
| [18:03:27] | qu0zl: | i assume you mean digital? |
| [18:04:39] | jduggan: | no idea |
| [18:04:45] | jduggan: | im moving house to an NTL cabled area |
| [18:04:50] | jduggan: | dont know what's available |
| [18:04:53] | juski: | get an IR blaster |
| [18:05:01] | juski: | www.ntlhome.com |
| [18:05:17] | jduggan: | wondered whether it was worth getting NTL cable or just using regular SKY/freeview setup |
| [18:05:35] | juski: | it's worth not giving any more money directly to Murdoch |
| [18:05:41] | juski: | :) |
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| [18:06:02] | jduggan: | juski: do you use NTL? |
| [18:06:06] | juski: | yup |
| [18:06:08] | juski: | they're shite |
| [18:06:12] | jduggan: | heh |
| [18:06:14] | jduggan: | in what respects |
| [18:06:15] | juski: | but no worse than $ky |
| [18:06:24] | juski: | STB is rubbish |
| [18:06:29] | jduggan: | ah right |
| [18:06:35] | jduggan: | so the cable needs decoding? |
| [18:06:39] | juski: | crashy, slow... |
| [18:06:43] | juski: | yeah of course it does |
| [18:06:46] | juski: | it's encrippled |
| [18:06:50] | jduggan: | ah |
| [18:07:04] | jduggan: | what video outputs do their STB's use? |
| [18:07:11] | jduggan: | or does it differ |
| [18:07:18] | juski: | RGB, svideo, composite |
| [18:08:05] | juski: | no digital audio output :( |
| [18:09:48] | jduggan: | so NTL offer HD ? |
| [18:09:52] | juski: | nope |
| [18:09:53] | jduggan: | s/so/do/ |
| [18:10:07] | juski: | but we mythv users can't record uk HD from sat or cable anyway |
| [18:10:18] | jduggan: | howcome? |
| [18:10:35] | juski: | because there's no way to get uncrippled HD streams from the STB |
| [18:10:59] | juski: | if you want an HD PVR in the UK you need to stick with theirs or nowt at all |
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| [18:11:18] | jduggan: | that sucks |
| [18:11:28] | juski: | HD ain't all that anyway. you seen it? |
| [18:11:45] | jduggan: | do hdtv tuner cards normally have HDMI input? |
| [18:11:56] | juski: | never mind 'normally'. none do |
| [18:12:12] | jduggan: | what do they use then? |
| [18:12:19] | jduggan: | svideo/composite? |
| [18:12:39] | juski: | they get the stream over the air or from a cable, but it can only be free to air, which UK HD ain;t |
| [18:13:01] | jduggan: | so its limited by hardware? |
| [18:13:04] | juski: | $ky encripples their streams, and you're forbidden from connecting your own gear to cable networks |
| [18:13:29] | jduggan: | if a tunercard had hdmi input you can hdmi output from a sky box to hdmi of the tuner card? |
| [18:13:36] | juski: | nope |
| [18:13:40] | juski: | thanks to HDCP |
| [18:13:44] | jduggan: | why not? |
| [18:13:46] | jduggan: | hrm |
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| [18:13:56] | juski: | we've been stitched up :) |
| [18:14:30] | jduggan: | so the TV has some HDCP decryption? |
| [18:14:35] | juski: | yep |
| [18:14:35] | jduggan: | integrated |
| [18:14:37] | jduggan: | ah |
| [18:14:38] | jduggan: | makes sense |
| [18:14:53] | jduggan: | must be a way of hacking at that |
| [18:14:55] | GreyFoxx: | drm sucks :) |
| [18:15:04] | juski: | not sure if $ky use HDCP yet in the current generation of boxes, but it's definitely on the cards |
| [18:15:40] | jduggan: | juski: how likely is it that a TV has HDCP integration? |
| [18:15:46] | juski: | jduggan: yeah I'm sure it'll be possible to uncripple a stream, but when you consider the length of the keys and the fact they change every 2 seconds it's pretty slim |
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| [18:15:52] | fryfrog: | now a days, i think its unlikely |
| [18:16:02] | juski: | every set bearing the 'hd ready' logo has to be HDCP compliant |
| [18:16:03] | fryfrog: | though, on brand new tvs... maybe quite likely? |
| [18:16:13] | fryfrog: | juski: I thought HDCP was relativly new? |
| [18:16:17] | juski: | nah |
| [18:16:22] | juski: | came in with HDMI |
| [18:16:28] | fryfrog: | so its been around since the *inception* of HDTV sets? |
| [18:16:29] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [18:16:42] | fryfrog: | i guess very few groups are enforcing it then? |
| [18:16:55] | fryfrog: | or, if they are... they are doing it shodily |
| [18:17:13] | fryfrog: | i mean, seriously... how many people were intercepting the digital signal from dhmi/dvi to capture content |
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| [18:18:19] | jduggan: | juski: the algorithm must be known for TV manufacturers to implement, why cant it be implemented on a PC/pvr |
| [18:18:33] | juski: | jduggan: because of the licence fees & conditions |
| [18:18:46] | jduggan: | juski: you pay a license to be HD compatible? |
| [18:18:50] | juski: | no open source HDCP software will be possible |
| [18:18:51] | juski: | yeah |
| [18:19:06] | juski: | about $15,000 to use the logo & then so much per unit sold |
| [18:19:09] | jduggan: | jeez |
| [18:19:24] | juski: | it's CSS all over again, only more so |
| [18:19:36] | jduggan: | it also means you're restricted to using sky's PVR |
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| [18:19:50] | jduggan: | there must be some competitions ruling against that |
| [18:19:57] | juski: | yeah. and where's the monopolies commision? |
| [18:20:08] | juski: | in broadcasting they've all but gone |
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| [18:20:37] | juski: | and they're gonna be relaxed even further to allow companies to own more of a share of media outlets |
| [18:20:42] | juski: | good eh? |
| [18:21:30] | juski: | welcome to the digital future |
| [18:21:49] | juski: | nevermind though. if it gets _that_ bad you can just opt out & stop watching TV |
| [18:24:38] | juski: | when analogue gets switched off, if the highest bidders for the airspace happen to be FTA HDTV providers, we'll be in the clear again |
| [18:27:00] | juski: | I don't mind that much since the only providers of _quality_ tv in the UK are the BBC anyway |
| [18:28:53] | juski: | .. and when you consider the amount of repeats UK channels show, there'll still be shedloads (95%) of standard def. shows |
| [18:29:16] | juski: | </rant> |
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| [18:32:09] | Inkubot: | how can i change the mythfrontend layout ? |
| [18:32:29] | juski: | by making/editing a theme |
| [18:32:48] | Inkubot: | ok.. |
| [18:32:53] | juski: | mythtv needs more good looking themes :) |
| [18:32:59] | Inkubot: | i will try to do that |
| [18:33:03] | fryfrog: | I should look into that, I don't like that "Watch TV" is the first item in the menu |
| [18:33:07] | Inkubot: | i need to put mythweather and mythnews together |
| [18:33:25] | Inkubot: | i really don't know how to do that xD |
| [18:33:27] | juski: | Inkubot: you cant do that |
| [18:33:28] | Inkubot: | i will try.. |
| [18:33:30] | Inkubot: | :( |
| [18:33:33] | Inkubot: | :'( |
| [18:33:58] | infinity1: | is 2.2 gb / hr about right for mythtv recording? |
| [18:34:18] | juski: | Inkubot: by 'put them together' do you mean combine them into one screen ? |
| [18:34:20] | fryfrog: | SD? |
| [18:34:26] | Inkubot: | juski yeps |
| [18:34:28] | fryfrog: | infinity1: it depends a lot on a few factors |
| [18:34:40] | juski: | Inkubot: then no you can't do that simply by editing a file |
| [18:34:55] | fryfrog: | infinity1: from an mpeg2 (like the pvr line), that is pretty normal for "default" but of course you can tweak settings to make it more or less |
| [18:35:01] | juski: | that'd be a pretty major change to the code Inkubot |
| [18:35:07] | juski: | learn Qt & C++ :) |
| [18:35:16] | Inkubot: | damn!! |
| [18:35:16] | fryfrog: | infinity1: the SD shows coming off my firewire box end up about 1G / hr, but its getting those as digital, not analog -> mpeg2 converted |
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| [18:35:39] | fryfrog: | but you could move the two menu items to the same place, easy right? |
| [18:35:42] | juski: | Inkubot: boo! mythtv isn't made with lame scripting languages like (cough) some other pvr apps |
| [18:35:56] | juski: | fryfrog: yeah |
| [18:36:20] | juski: | see the wiki's theme design guide |
| [18:36:30] | seth|laptop: | my dish recordings via a/v cables to pvr150 are 2.1GB an hour |
| [18:36:54] | GreyFoxx: | tvmenu.xml specifies the order those options appear on the TV menu |
| [18:37:05] | juski: | btw folks I'm quite concerned at the new themes I've seen previews of out there which blatantly state "NO OVERSCAN" in this theme. How ignorant is that? |
| [18:37:13] | Inkubot: | emmmm |
| [18:37:15] | janneg: | infinity1: I have DVB SD recordings with approximately 3GB/h |
| [18:37:21] | Inkubot: | i've got an idea juski |
| [18:37:25] | GreyFoxx: | juski: Eww |
| [18:37:25] | Inkubot: | it is posible |
| [18:37:29] | GreyFoxx: | That's just lame |
| [18:37:31] | Inkubot: | emmm.. |
| [18:37:43] | juski: | GreyFoxx: I know of three themers who're doing that |
| [18:37:47] | fryfrog: | juski: so ignant it hurts, down in the family jewels! |
| [18:37:57] | juski: | none of them are official themers, thank $deity |
| [18:38:08] | Inkubot: | to program an script or something tha show mythweather for 10 minutes and the show mythnews for another 10 minutes ? |
| [18:38:19] | fryfrog: | send them a strongly worded letter, in a box with a bat wielding monkey? |
| [18:38:21] | juski: | nor will they be for so flagrantly flouting the theme design guide (I hope) :) |
| [18:38:28] | GreyFoxx: | juski: Yeah, it's going to cause a ton of problems as EVERYONES overscan is different so everyone will have to tweak the X/Y inbfo |
| [18:38:40] | janneg: | and others with only a little more than 1GB/h. It's a difference like between day and night |
| [18:38:52] | cureless: | have any of you tried the db35 series hard drives from seagate? |
| [18:38:52] | juski: | GreyFoxx: but someone's helpful additions will make that more fun though eh ;) |
| [18:39:01] | GreyFoxx: | yes true :) |
| [18:39:26] | fryfrog: | cureless: db35 meaning they are quiet? |
| [18:39:35] | juski: | I need to make my first qt app one of these days |
| [18:39:39] | cureless: | db35 is the model (like barracuda) |
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| [18:39:50] | cureless: | But they are quiet, made specially for dvrs |
| [18:39:55] | juski: | db/sv are similar... 24/7 rated. they're not bad |
| [18:39:59] | Inkubot: | what do you think, it is posible to do something like that ? |
| [18:40:05] | juski: | seek algorithms have been tweaked to be quiet |
| [18:40:24] | GreyFoxx: | Inkubot: I can't think of any simple way to do that |
| [18:40:35] | juski: | Inkubot: piece of pie if you enable the telnet interface |
| [18:40:39] | GreyFoxx: | hmmm actyually |
| [18:40:44] | GreyFoxx: | yeah the telnet interface and jumppoints |
| [18:40:50] | Inkubot: | piece of pie!!! |
| [18:40:51] | Inkubot: | ok |
| [18:40:51] | janneg: | GreyFoxx: scripting the telnet interface? |
| [18:40:56] | Inkubot: | I WILL DO THAT!! |
| [18:40:57] | juski: | custom menu item to run a script which calls the telnet interface up |
| [18:40:58] | GreyFoxx: | janneg: Sure |
| [18:41:00] | janneg: | argh, too slow |
| [18:41:22] | GreyFoxx: | I wrote a php interface to the telnet controls in 20 minutes, they jsut telnet and execute my commands. There are tons of python and perl telnet modules out there |
| [18:41:41] | cureless: | juski: sv's are more noisy according to them though |
| [18:41:43] | seth|laptop: | Inkubot: you could set up hot keys for each of those events, and sleep them, use /usr/bin/irsend --device=/dev/lircd SEND_ONCE <event> |
| [18:41:52] | juski: | and at some point soon, maybe when I'm done theming for a spell, I'll make some nice graphics for that |
| [18:42:05] | Inkubot: | i will need your help !! |
| [18:42:10] | janneg: | GreyFoxx: it was not a question but a suggestion |
| [18:42:12] | Inkubot: | now.. to enable telnet |
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| [18:42:18] | Inkubot: | xD |
| [18:42:21] | juski: | cureless: yeah, but they're rated 24/7 and have their seek algorithms tweaked to be quieter |
| [18:42:21] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh, a scripting language built in you mean ? |
| [18:42:32] | GreyFoxx: | oh, never mind |
| [18:42:35] | GreyFoxx: | I'm get it :) |
| [18:42:40] | cureless: | juski: I have to check what the price difference is |
| [18:42:55] | Inkubot: | seth|laptop ok!! i catch that too |
| [18:42:59] | juski: | samsung do some capacious quiet drives these days |
| [18:43:06] | Inkubot: | so.. telnet and hot keys |
| [18:43:24] | ** GreyFoxx is adding some more upnp debug logging to try and track down the 100% usage stuff for sure ** | |
| [18:43:43] | juski: | oof. upgrading dapper to edgy didn't go so well :( |
| [18:43:50] | Inkubot: | jaja X problem ? |
| [18:43:55] | juski: | lucky it was just on my frontend box :) |
| [18:44:14] | fryfrog: | juski: it didn't go so well for me either :( |
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| [18:44:26] | fryfrog: | is that the little box you put ubuntu on the other day? |
| [18:44:33] | juski: | aye |
| [18:44:47] | juski: | just installed the 6.10 CD over the top of it |
| [18:44:58] | fryfrog: | thats what i did on my lappy toppy |
| [18:45:11] | fryfrog: | i tried an apt-get dist-upgrade, but at reboot it was flubared |
| [18:45:17] | juski: | ahh shit. I hope their sql client isn't newer than the server. heard that can cause problems |
| [18:45:19] | kuse: | Im using a native 720p signal to my projector and the picture is awesome but it is a little to wide and a little to tall, how can I adjust this? |
| [18:45:20] | fryfrog: | so i just installed 6.10 over it :) |
| [18:45:35] | fryfrog: | juski: I used mysql5 client against mysql4 until about a week ago |
| [18:45:51] | juski: | I can always force it to use 4 I guess |
| [18:45:53] | fryfrog: | juski: and i was only syncing them up to eliminate possible sources of problems (that didn't fix it) |
| [18:46:00] | fryfrog: | or update to 5 on the be :) |
| [18:46:04] | juski: | pleh |
| [18:46:14] | juski: | unless it's already 5 I dunno |
| [18:46:14] | fryfrog: | is your be 6.06? |
| [18:46:19] | juski: | yup |
| [18:46:26] | fryfrog: | That is the one thing I liked about gentoo :/ |
| [18:46:41] | fryfrog: | there is no "version" you can easily just be running the "latest" :/ |
| [18:46:48] | juski: | 5.0.22 :) |
| [18:47:04] | fryfrog: | though debian *should* be okay with dist-upgrade, guess i just got lucky and it sucked for me |
| [18:47:20] | juski: | yeah well I got lucky the same way today |
| [18:47:55] | infinity1: | so can i re-encode the 2.2/hr to xvid or divx and still play inside the TV interface? |
| [18:48:26] | infinity1: | er 2.2 gb/hr |
| [18:53:43] | fryfrog: | sure, i fyou want |
| [18:54:05] | juski: | or just buy a bigger HDD |
| [18:54:25] | juski: | mpeg4 transcodes are a bit hit&miss IME |
| [18:56:33] | infinity1: | how long does it take to convert an hour of pcr-250 (2.2gbs) to avi/divx? |
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| [18:56:50] | infinity1: | er pvr-250 meg |
| [18:57:17] | natoka: | i'd say mpeg4 encodings heavily depend on the a) the video b) the encoding options which influence c) the result ... |
| [18:57:31] | natoka: | infinity1: depends on processor & ram |
| [18:57:42] | natoka: | infinity1: and on encoding options |
| [18:58:03] | natoka: | infinity1: so there is no general time to give ... |
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| [19:01:01] | infinity1: | natoka: agreed, do you have an example? |
| [19:02:48] | natoka: | infinity1: sorry i don't, since i most often just start the transcoding and then i do something else, since i'm not really concerned about the time it takes ... |
| [19:04:13] | infinity1: | is there a guide or link you can direct me to test/setup myth to do this? i haven't found anything great with google yet. |
| [19:05:32] | Inkubot: | jump mythnews |
| [19:05:39] | Inkubot: | xD sorry.... bad window |
| [19:05:44] | Inkubot: | wrong windw |
| [19:06:25] | fryfrog: | infinity1: the wiki would be a good place, but i think it dpeneds a lot on the qulitiy of the source, and lots of stuff. time to experiemmtn |
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| [19:10:06] | natoka: | the resulting quality largerly depends on the input video material (does it have many scene switches, many fast/slow motions, etc.), which then influences the way the options should be set. |
| [19:10:50] | natoka: | you could choose generic options, though the outcome might not be as good as hand tuned results ... |
| [19:11:35] | melunko: | Hello there, I noticed my mythtv livetv files are with a different name 4294967295_20061116161000.nuv |
| [19:11:53] | melunko: | Is this mythtv0.20 change? I thought it should be chanid_xxx.nuv |
| [19:13:51] | GreyFoxx: | yes. It's odd, that looks like the maximum value of an unsized integer |
| [19:14:20] | natoka: | hmm, this commercial flagging how much memory can it consume? |
| [19:14:21] | GreyFoxx: | err unsigned |
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| [19:17:22] | melunko: | GryFoxx, is this a bug? |
| [19:17:45] | melunko: | or it is just like that? |
| [19:18:01] | GreyFoxx: | definately :) |
| [19:18:13] | GreyFoxx: | a bug |
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| [19:25:47] | melunko: | I am using 0.20 |
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| [19:38:46] | melunko: | GreyFoxx: does this happen with you? |
| [19:39:16] | GreyFoxx: | I don't use livetv |
| [19:39:22] | GreyFoxx: | but no I've never seen it happen |
| [19:39:40] | GreyFoxx: | hold on and I'll launch livetv here at the office and see what the filename is |
| [19:41:12] | natoka: | hmm, funny sometimes when i hit the backend status page in mythweb, the mythbackend daemon dies ... |
| [19:41:17] | GreyFoxx: | Nope, didn't do that for me. I got what I expected |
| [19:42:25] | GreyFoxx: | melunko: You should submit a bug report. Include details like what channel it actually was, and it would be good to add some backend output, maybe even -v all |
| [19:42:57] | natoka: | is there some way to debug what the backend does before it dies? |
| [19:43:05] | GreyFoxx: | gdb |
| [19:43:25] | GreyFoxx: | run it in gdb (with the backend compiled with debug symbols) and then do a backtrace |
| [19:44:29] | melunko: | GreyFoxx: the problem is that mythfrontend handle it properly |
| [19:45:01] | GreyFoxx: | melunko: How is that a problem ? |
| [19:45:15] | melunko: | I just figure out this is really the new way to handle live |
| [19:45:24] | GreyFoxx: | No, it;'s a bug |
| [19:45:27] | GreyFoxx: | and it's a backend bug |
| [19:45:38] | GreyFoxx: | the backend pics the name for the file after all :) |
| [19:45:56] | GreyFoxx: | natoka: This might be useful to you. http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [19:50:48] | Inkubot: | juski i have the ingredients to the pie!! |
| [19:50:57] | Inkubot: | telnet is working, i know how it works.. |
| [19:51:05] | Inkubot: | and now.. how can i program the task ? |
| [19:51:21] | Inkubot: | to move between mythweather and mythnews |
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| [19:56:13] | GreyFoxx: | Hmmm this mytharchive native archives is nifty, wonder if I can automate that |
| [19:57:26] | juski: | oo digital audio out.. never configured this in linux before. this'll be interesting |
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| [19:58:38] | juski: | it's not surely as simple as setting a mixer thingy surely.... |
| [20:01:16] | fryfrog: | shirly you can't be serious! |
| [20:01:24] | fryfrog: | i am serious, and don't call me shirly :) |
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| [20:08:35] | natoka: | I suppose building mythtv takes quite some time ... |
| [20:09:20] | fryfrog: | Takes me about 20min to compile, but I use ccache |
| [20:09:32] | fryfrog: | sure doesn't take as long as qt or X or the kernel, I'd say |
| [20:09:53] | fryfrog: | anyone ever heard of anything that can look up "hits" from your music collection? |
| [20:09:59] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, roughly half and hour from scratch |
| [20:10:08] | D-side: | fryfrog: i pretty much stopped trying on my HDTV quest. :) |
| [20:10:28] | fryfrog: | D-side: your quest to *record* hdtv or display it? |
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| [20:10:41] | D-side: | both, pretty much. |
| [20:10:44] | fryfrog: | blech |
| [20:10:50] | fryfrog: | HDTV is pretty much the only reason I watch TV |
| [20:10:57] | fryfrog: | shows are just so much more beautiful |
| [20:11:00] | D-side: | i'm just getting a little USB 2.0 tuner for my mac. :) |
| [20:11:10] | D-side: | the LCD connected to it is the only thing in the house that'll display HD anyway. |
| [20:11:21] | fryfrog: | lame. you should just expand your mlp collection instead ;P |
| [20:11:31] | fryfrog: | your *only* pc is a mac? |
| [20:11:40] | fryfrog: | *any* pc is "HD" |
| [20:12:04] | fryfrog: | well, *maybe* not for 1080i/p content, but 720p easily |
| [20:12:05] | D-side: | my only desktop, yeah. |
| [20:12:27] | D-side: | the other two boxes are the server and the mythtv backend. |
| [20:12:36] | D-side: | no HDTV sets in the house, so its no big deal to me. |
| [20:12:50] | natoka: | hmm, I believe i shouldn't have started the build on my celeron 500 then ... |
| [20:13:06] | fryfrog: | natoka: ahha, not gentoo on that i hope? |
| [20:13:38] | natoka: | fryfrog: no, debian |
| [20:13:57] | natoka: | fryfrog: though the build may take some time still |
| [20:14:47] | natoka: | fryfrog: since the debian package is an 'all inclusive' build |
| [20:14:51] | fryfrog: | why not just use packages? |
| [20:14:56] | fryfrog: | all inclusive? |
| [20:15:00] | natoka: | fryfrog: cause i wanna debug |
| [20:15:19] | natoka: | fryfrog: --enable-xvmc --enable-xyz ... |
| [20:15:43] | fryfrog: | ah |
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| [20:17:23] | natoka: | most likely i will reduce that when it gets annoying ... |
| [20:18:26] | juski: | hello ubuntu developers. somebody please think about users who might use resolutions lower than 800x600 dammit |
| [20:19:38] | juski: | can't see the bliimin 'OK' box on your dialogs in 720x576 |
| [20:19:43] | fryfrog: | *lower* than 800x600??? |
| [20:20:06] | juski: | 800x600 != PAL TV |
| [20:20:12] | D-side: | i was just going to ask |
| [20:20:23] | fryfrog: | thats not NTSC either |
| [20:20:50] | fryfrog: | can't you run your system at 1024 or 800? |
| [20:21:40] | juski: | why would I want to do that? video won't be scaled properly |
| [20:22:11] | juski: | at 720x576Noscale, recordings etc fill my screen perfectly :) |
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| [20:22:30] | fryfrog: | humm, i run at 1280x800 on my tv and any recording fills the screen that should |
| [20:22:34] | fryfrog: | ie, 16:9 content |
| [20:22:47] | fryfrog: | 4:3 stuff gets black bars, but only so it doesn't stretch ugly |
| [20:22:48] | juski: | and by that I mean stuff that is dead on the bottom on 'real' TV is also spot-on on my frontend |
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| [20:23:07] | juski: | I mangle my displaysize to gimme 16:9 res :) |
| [20:23:13] | juski: | or rather aspect |
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| [20:23:44] | fryfrog: | wtf? |
| [20:23:51] | juski: | "make mythtv on ubuntu rock" my arse. make it work ffs |
| [20:24:01] | fryfrog: | unichrome or nvidia? |
| [20:24:03] | D-side: | but i made it work... |
| [20:24:06] | fryfrog: | er, openchome? |
| [20:24:09] | D-side: | of course, its 4:3 |
| [20:24:09] | juski: | openchrome |
| [20:24:13] | fryfrog: | oh |
| [20:24:30] | fryfrog: | i was getting seg faults on my gentoo, but it was due to updated nvidia's opengl |
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| [20:24:39] | juski: | got as far as setting my preferences for langauge & the database stuff. clicked 'finish' & it segfaulted |
| [20:25:17] | fryfrog: | suks 2 b u |
| [20:25:18] | fryfrog: | :) |
| [20:25:30] | juski: | fuck it. flattenning it & going with dapper again |
| [20:25:31] | D-side: | hat sucks. |
| [20:25:46] | D-side: | :/ |
| [20:26:05] | D-side: | what are you doing thats straying from "the norm" ? |
| [20:26:11] | juski: | er.. how about.... |
| [20:26:13] | juski: | nothing? |
| [20:26:44] | juski: | installed xine-ui, some dvd stuff |
| [20:26:51] | juski: | and mythfrontend & some plugins |
| [20:26:53] | D-side: | edgy, right? |
| [20:26:56] | juski: | yes |
| [20:27:09] | D-side: | thats what i just put in place as my backend, just a week ago. |
| [20:27:11] | fryfrog: | i haven't fired up mythtv on my edgy, maybe in a week or so :/ |
| [20:27:27] | juski: | well I'm going back to dapper. haven't got time to piss around |
| [20:27:27] | D-side: | less even, sunday will be a week. |
| [20:27:29] | fryfrog: | if you run with -v all do you see anything that explains the seg fault? |
| [20:27:33] | D-side: | yeah, i knwo the feeling. |
| [20:28:02] | juski: | it blurted something out about a mutex lock or something |
| [20:28:16] | juski: | great bug report huh? :-P |
| [20:28:38] | D-side: | heh |
| [20:28:47] | juski: | now I know it can't be fixed if I don't report it but I frankly can't be arsed |
| [20:28:50] | D-side: | i think maybe subconciously thats why i'm doing HD on my mac. |
| [20:28:59] | D-side: | i cant be arsed to bother with the mythtv box itself right now |
| [20:30:29] | juski: | it 'just works (tm)' in dapper, so I'll stay on that |
| [20:30:47] | D-side: | yeah i hear that. |
| [20:31:02] | D-side: | edgy had 0.20 in it so i said "what the hell". apparently I got lucky. |
| [20:32:08] | juski: | is edgy 'finished'? |
| [20:32:23] | imperfect-: | yeah |
| [20:32:27] | imperfect-: | It was released a while ago |
| [20:32:33] | imperfect-: | my mythboxes are all edgy |
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| [20:34:47] | juski: | funny but as I was reading up on how to upgrade to edgy today from dapper, I saw loads of "don't do it if you want your box to work again" posts |
| [20:35:06] | juski: | and strangely enough I ended up using the CD anyway |
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| [20:35:25] | Dibblah: | Well, you've already braved Gentoo. |
| [20:35:29] | D-side: | oh, i didn't upgrade from it. |
| [20:35:34] | D-side: | gentoo upgrades work. |
| [20:35:41] | D-side: | you cna't say the same for ubuntu. :) |
| [20:35:49] | D-side: | at least, *I* can't. |
| [20:36:38] | juski: | I went from hoary to dapper just by editing the sources.list & doing apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| [20:36:41] | juski: | all went ok |
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| [20:47:06] | Viking1: | anyone got help for nexus s ir-remote control for myth |
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| [20:53:59] | mkrufky: | juski: reading the backlog ......... your problem where the buttons are too far past the bottom of the screen — just fix the font size |
| [20:54:47] | juski: | huh? |
| [20:54:52] | mkrufky: | is it true, that since both edgy and fedora atrpms have mythtv 0.20, should it be ok to run mythbackend 0.20 on fc5 and mythfrontend 0.20 on ubundu edgy? |
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| [20:55:07] | mkrufky: | juski: drop the font size a bit — that fixes the problem |
| [20:55:11] | juski: | mkrufky: oh right |
| [20:55:15] | mkrufky: | juski: i used to have the same issue |
| [20:56:23] | mkrufky: | err, my question above got mixed up... what i meant was, so lost as both mythfrontend and mythbackend are both 0.20, should they work together is one is fedora and the other ubuntu? |
| [20:56:30] | mkrufky: | s/lost/long argh |
| [20:56:52] | juski: | so long as they're both the same version, yeah |
| [20:57:11] | GreyFoxx: | and by version remember, latest 0.20-fixes is NOT the same as 0.20 release |
| [20:57:17] | juski: | though technically you should be ok so long as the schema ver. hasn't changed & the protocol is the same |
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| [21:00:29] | ** otwin now has mythtv case badges :-) ** | |
| [21:00:40] | otwin: | juski: thx again |
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| [21:02:42] | juski: | np otwin :) |
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| [21:04:48] | suga_bear: | i am wondering if i should wade into mythtv does it have the quality of video that i am looking for? |
| [21:05:07] | GreyFoxx: | nice vague questions :) |
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| [21:05:51] | kormoc: | it has the quality your eyes will see, if you look at it |
| [21:05:54] | sPiN: | main.cpp:(.text+0x27c4): undefined reference to `ProgramInfo::GetRecordFilename(QString const&) const' |
| [21:06:07] | sPiN: | my compile is failing on that error |
| [21:06:20] | sPiN: | has something to do with the commercial flagging part of the software |
| [21:06:42] | suga_bear: | if i look at it will i see it |
| [21:07:05] | kormoc: | if you look at it and don't see it, then you're eyes don't really work to well |
| [21:07:19] | kormoc: | *your |
| [21:08:12] | suga_bear: | i saw mythtv get non rave reviews in linux journal I think they said it was hard to get running and video quality could be poor with certain video cards |
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| [21:08:45] | GreyFoxx: | suga_bear: That is all subjective. How hard it is depends on what hardware you pick and your personal knowledge of setting up linux+hardware under linux |
| [21:08:55] | suga_bear: | they said wait until the hdtv cards come out and then hopefully there will be linux driver support |
| [21:08:56] | GreyFoxx: | and the quality of the video is the same. DEpends on what you buy |
| [21:09:16] | GreyFoxx: | There are tons of HDTV capable cards and they mostly work fine |
| [21:09:22] | suga_bear: | GreyFox what are the best cards for price vs, quality |
| [21:09:40] | kormoc: | indeed, and firewire capturing is perfect capturing if you can use it |
| [21:09:49] | suga_bear: | plus features |
| [21:09:50] | GreyFoxx: | When it comes to recording HD there is no such thing as different quality of the video |
| [21:10:23] | suga_bear: | so the focus should be on video quality output? |
| [21:10:26] | kormoc: | suga_bear, well, are you going to be using analog cable? or hd? satalite? etc? |
| [21:10:26] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
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| [21:11:09] | fysa: | the only difference between tuners in HD cards is the sensitivity to signals — some are better at picking up poor signals or tune faster. |
| [21:11:13] | suga_bear: | presently satellite soon at&t will be offering fiber in my area |
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| [21:11:52] | Viking1: | what about buring a hd recording to a dvd? Can you get same hd quality? |
| [21:12:33] | fysa: | you can burn an HD recording to *data* DVD and keep the same quality, but if you convert to DVD-Video, you're going to get DVD quality. |
| [21:12:38] | GreyFoxx: | Viking1: well that depends, are you playing back the raw HD recording on another PC, or are you actually convertting it to a Video DVD ? |
| [21:12:58] | suga_bear: | would anyone mind taking a stab at the best card, and features for the price. Can anyone make some suggestions please? |
| [21:13:06] | fysa: | AMD Fusion will make for some nice Myth boxes. |
| [21:13:08] | GreyFoxx: | sugar: Are you in North america ? |
| [21:13:14] | Viking1: | Thats what I would like to do |
| [21:13:31] | GreyFoxx: | Viking1: If you are converting to aVideo DVD then it will be downscaled to normal DVD resolutions |
| [21:13:41] | GreyFoxx: | IT will still look good, just wont be HDTV resolutions |
| [21:13:48] | suga_bear: | greyFox: my phone just rang can i answer in a minute? |
| [21:13:55] | Viking1: | ok |
| [21:14:01] | Viking1: | thanks |
| [21:14:13] | GreyFoxx: | suga_bear: You can, but someone else will have to answer as I'm outta here for now :) |
| [21:14:41] | suga_bear: | ok thanks for your help |
| [21:15:00] | mkrufky: | GreyFoxx: & juski: thanks ... (sorry for delay, was called into a meeting) |
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| [21:21:31] | juski: | package ssh has no installation candidate. nice |
| [21:21:55] | kormoc: | package openssh on the other hand? |
| [21:22:14] | juski: | nope |
| [21:22:41] | kormoc: | icky |
| [21:23:57] | hadees: | so anyone working on any intresting new modules for mythtv? |
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| [21:24:32] | juski: | openssh-server :) |
| [21:24:56] | juski: | hadees: yeah I've got a settings/db password randomiser coming along nicely :-) |
| [21:25:43] | hadees: | random settings eh? |
| [21:26:01] | juski: | calling it mythnoworky |
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| [21:26:37] | hadees: | juski, is it going to randomly start recording 3 hours before a 15 min show |
| [21:26:44] | juski: | maybe |
| [21:27:56] | mkrufky: | juski: sshd ? |
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| [21:47:45] | juski: | there we go. all nice again. tomorrow I'll do lirc etc |
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| [21:52:57] | juski: | ah bum I need to remember how to do my fstab to mount my shares |
| [21:54:57] | juski: | and now I need portmap installed |
| [21:56:52] | juski: | wooo |
| [21:57:01] | juski: | not far to go now :) |
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| [22:00:53] | riddlebox: | can someone help me get my mythbackend to start at boot? in ubuntu? |
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| [22:09:19] | czth_: | no, but in gentoo it's rc-update add mythbackend default :P |
| [22:10:15] | riddlebox: | yeah, I just like installing everything in 10 minutes :) |
| [22:10:44] | mkrufky: | riddlebox: there is a ubuntu guide for mythtv — use google |
| [22:10:55] | czth_: | my AMD box compiles pretty fast, and for the big stuff, there's always overnight |
| [22:11:11] | riddlebox: | mkrufky, I have been searching |
| [22:12:36] | mkrufky: | riddlebox: run, services-admin |
| [22:12:36] | otwin: | riddlebox: do you have an init script in /etc/init.d ? |
| [22:12:42] | mkrufky: | select mythbackend |
| [22:13:02] | riddlebox: | otwin, yes, I have /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend |
| [22:13:15] | otwin: | riddlebox: update-rc.d mythtv-backend defaults |
| [22:14:44] | riddlebox: | thanks |
| [22:15:52] | riddlebox: | otwin, do I have to edit that file at all? |
| [22:16:32] | riddlebox: | otwin, System startup links for /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend already exist. |
| [22:16:54] | otwin: | does '/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start' work? |
| [22:17:19] | otwin: | if not check the paths in it |
| [22:18:25] | riddlebox: | otwin, it says mythbackend already running, try restart, but I always have to type sudo mythbackend to be able to view anything |
| [22:19:40] | mkrufky: | im telling you, ubuntu sets up services thru services-admin |
| [22:19:46] | mkrufky: | (its a gui) |
| [22:19:54] | mkrufky: | i mean, sure... i like editing scripts by hand too...... |
| [22:19:56] | mirak: | hem I tried vdr. |
| [22:20:00] | mirak: | good bye |
| [22:20:00] | mkrufky: | but this makes it easy |
| [22:20:03] | mirak: | :p |
| [22:21:03] | riddlebox: | mkrufky, I checked mythtv is not in there |
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| [22:22:40] | mkrufky: | riddlebox: ah, ok... sorry |
| [22:22:54] | mkrufky: | well, otwin's suggestion SHOULD work |
| [22:23:17] | riddlebox: | I have tried, it still will not start |
| [22:23:34] | riddlebox: | I get that error mythbackend already running try restart |
| [22:23:43] | riddlebox: | and it really isnt running |
| [22:23:44] | mkrufky: | i think using mythtv-backend restart didnt work, because you had originally run it as one user, and the script is probably trying to run as root |
| [22:23:49] | mkrufky: | try rebooting? |
| [22:24:08] | otwin: | if the init script works (start, stop, restart) and the links are setup with update-rc then it should work |
| [22:24:12] | riddlebox: | mkrufky, I have tried after boot I open frontend, and it will say the backend is not running |
| [22:24:34] | otwin: | riddlebox: try this 'sudo -i' to become root |
| [22:25:03] | mkrufky: | otwin: awesome! i never knew that |
| [22:25:03] | riddlebox: | same message |
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| [22:25:16] | riddlebox: | I usually use sudo su |
| [22:25:17] | fryfrog: | well, here I am on Ubuntu! |
| [22:26:13] | fryfrog: | AND my UPS shows up! |
| [22:26:15] | fryfrog: | zounds! |
| [22:26:20] | otwin: | what does /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop give? |
| [22:26:44] | riddlebox: | Stopping MythTV server: mythbackend No /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed. |
| [22:27:02] | riddlebox: | ha now it seems to have started after that |
| [22:27:13] | otwin: | and 'pgrep -l mythbackend' |
| [22:27:15] | otwin: | ? |
| [22:27:42] | riddlebox: | nothing |
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| [22:29:23] | riddlebox: | I get nothing after I run that command |
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| [22:30:16] | otwin: | so the backend is not running – so my guess is that the paths in the init script are wrong |
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| [22:31:58] | riddlebox: | http://pastebin.ca/250390 |
| [22:32:38] | otwin: | does /usr/bin/mythbackend exist? |
| [22:32:52] | riddlebox: | running updatedb first |
| [22:33:04] | otwin: | ls -l /usr/bin/mythbackend |
| [22:33:11] | riddlebox: | yes /usr/bin/mythbackend does |
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| [22:34:16] | riddlebox: | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 802896 2006-10–17 05:08 /usr/bin/mythbackend |
| [22:34:18] | otwin: | what is in /var/run/mythtv/ |
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| [22:34:50] | riddlebox: | mythbackend.pid |
| [22:36:05] | otwin: | delete or move that file if you are sure the backend is not running |
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| [22:36:34] | riddlebox: | I got it, I edited /etc/default/mythtv-backend and uncommented the line with USER=mythtv and put my username in there |
| [22:36:39] | fryfrog: | okay, now i'm really back :) |
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| [22:37:43] | riddlebox: | nm otwin, I didnt read the message, it wouldnt allow it |
| [22:37:57] | riddlebox: | should I put root in the USER= part? |
| [22:38:10] | otwin: | i wouldn't change it |
| [22:38:21] | otwin: | are you still root (sudo -i)? |
| [22:38:28] | riddlebox: | I rebooted real quick |
| [22:39:23] | riddlebox: | I think this is my real problem: /media/myth/tv/nfslockfile.lock: Permission denied |
| [22:39:24] | riddlebox: | Unable to open lockfile! |
| [22:39:24] | riddlebox: | Be sure that '/media/myth/tv' exists and that both |
| [22:39:24] | riddlebox: | the directory and that file are writeable by this user. |
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| [22:39:57] | fryfrog: | are you nfs mounting your recordings dir? |
| [22:40:06] | riddlebox: | no, it is /dev/hdc1 |
| [22:40:09] | fryfrog: | if mythtv is running as root, you may need to do "no_root_squash" on... |
| [22:40:11] | fryfrog: | oh |
| [22:40:20] | fryfrog: | wtf, why is it bothering with an nfslockfile.lock? |
| [22:44:10] | riddlebox: | otwin, I put USER=root in /etc/default/mythtv-backend and did /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend, and it does work now |
| [22:45:24] | sPiN: | main.cpp:(.text+0x27c4): undefined reference to `ProgramInfo::GetRecordFilename(QString const&) const' has something to do with the commercial flagging part of the software |
| [22:47:10] | czth_: | OMG teh Big Broadcasting Corporations have h4xc0red your g1bosn |
| [22:47:15] | otwin: | well yes, but now you are running the backend as root, which isn't really necessary. the problem was the file in /var/run/mythtv – it shouldn't be there with no backend running. |
| [22:48:19] | riddlebox: | so what do I do about it then? should I just keep it running as root? |
| [22:49:14] | sPiN: | anyone know anything about this compiler error |
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| [22:50:15] | otwin: | become root (sudo -i), stop the backend, change the init script to what it was, start the backend. if that works – everything is well |
| [22:51:18] | mcquaid: | There was something on yesterday that I caught half way through and I want it recorded if it ever repeats again. I set it to 'record one showing of this title' |
| [22:51:58] | mcquaid: | in the guide it's listed as 'find one – recorded'. but I only actually have half the program, and this makes me think it's not going to record it again if it comes on in the future |
| [22:52:18] | mcquaid: | or am i misunderstanding find one -recorded |
| [22:53:15] | riddlebox: | otwin, it will not start then |
| [22:53:41] | otwin: | what error? |
| [22:54:02] | riddlebox: | there is no error, it seems like the command works, but when I do the pgrep there is nothing |
| [22:56:41] | otwin: | may be there's something wrong with your file permissions so the backend can't start – check the mythbackend logs. the user myth runs as needs access to the recording path for example. root of course has no problems with permissions. |
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| [22:57:42] | fryfrog: | So I am migrating my gentoo myth -> ubuntu myth, I was wondering if anyone could point out the tables i should copy over to preserve *recordings* and *scheduled recordings* |
| [22:57:48] | fryfrog: | I assume "record" and "recorded" |
| [22:58:41] | czth_: | fryfrog: FTLOG WHY? why would you leave Gentoo? |
| [22:58:54] | fryfrog: | czth_: got tired of nit-picking :( |
| [22:59:14] | fryfrog: | I still <3 Gentoo, but it doesnt make a great *server* when you run ~unstable :) |
| [22:59:16] | czth_: | i just set up a gentoo myth box and picked no nits |
| [22:59:26] | czth_: | why run unstable? |
| [22:59:53] | fryfrog: | just cause thats what i've been running since gentoo came out |
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| [23:01:55] | visit0r: | how to enable the RTC mode as non-root? |
| [23:02:37] | fryfrog: | what do you mean? |
| [23:02:45] | fryfrog: | how do you turn on the computer's real time clock as not-root? |
| [23:02:53] | visit0r: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frame_display_timing |
| [23:02:58] | visit0r: | having bad tearing problems... |
| [23:03:22] | visit0r: | the RTC mode is switched on only when I run mythfrontend with sudo, even chmod +s does not help |
| [23:04:20] | juski: | chmod +s is deprecated |
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| [23:13:44] | sPiN: | i get this build error on mythtv .20, http://pastebin.ca/250420 i am out of ideas |
| [23:15:04] | Anduin: | sPiN: Is there an earlier error? |
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| [23:15:54] | sPiN: | nope |
| [23:16:38] | Anduin: | sPiN: so libmythtv built fine then? |
| [23:16:56] | Anduin: | sPiN: Do you have other myth libs already installed? |
| [23:17:02] | Anduin: | (like from a package) |
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| [23:17:22] | sPiN: | yes i have .19 installed |
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| [23:17:36] | sPiN: | do i need to remove it first? |
| [23:17:58] | Anduin: | sPiN: for .19, you shouldn't need to |
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| [23:20:23] | websys: | Is pcHDTV 5500 support built in to Fedora Core 6 thru dvb? |
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| [23:21:23] | sPiN: | ohh i got it going again |
| [23:22:14] | sPiN: | thanks Anduin got it going again, i had libmyth .20 something installed via rpm |
| [23:22:22] | sPiN: | removed that now it is building again |
| [23:22:50] | bsjeep: | hello all |
| [23:22:58] | bsjeep: | 1080i question for anyone... |
| [23:23:04] | juski: | not sure exactly why I have to build all my kernel modules just so I can compile lirc_serial, but it sure sucks on a 1ghz cpu |
| [23:23:35] | bsjeep: | I had 0.20 svn running for a while under 720p settings in X |
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| [23:24:02] | bsjeep: | I got X to boot with a 1080i setting that looks ok on my 34" HDTV CRT (1080i) |
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| [23:24:46] | bsjeep: | now the frontend looks good, but if I try to play anything (recorded TV or dvd video) it hangs with a blank screen. |
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| [23:34:53] | cureless: | juski: what distro are you running? custom kernel? |
| [23:35:51] | cureless: | bsjeep: how are you conecting to the tv? ( I don't have an answer for you, just wondering ) |
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| [23:40:45] | bsjeep: | oh |
| [23:40:58] | bsjeep: | I'm connecting via DVI to HDMI cable |
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| [23:41:26] | juski: | cureless: ubuntu 2.6.15, just a standard kernel |
| [23:41:30] | bsjeep: | straight out my ASUS M2VPM-VN MB |
| [23:41:40] | juski: | you're gonna tell me I don't actually need to build the modules now ain't ya? ;) |
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| [23:42:32] | cureless: | juski: you shouldn't need to compile everything for the lirc modules |
| [23:42:46] | suga_bear: | are mythtv-users happy with the recorded video quality they are recieving on replay? |
| [23:42:47] | cureless: | juski: well, I don't use ubuntu, but in debian you don't. |
| [23:43:36] | cureless: | suga_bear: I think it mythtv is not the "bottleneck", it's the hardware. |
| [23:44:09] | suga_bear: | do you think extra fast processor is the way to go? |
| [23:44:41] | cureless: | suga_bear: I (personally) don't think that's the most important part, but it depends on the inputs and outputs, and for hdtv it might be the only way to go anyway. |
| [23:45:02] | juski: | quitted that one then.. go back to making lirc :) |
| [23:45:08] | cureless: | suga_bear: also, it depends on your definition of "extra fast" |
| [23:45:31] | suga_bear: | cureless: can you give some hardware guidelines? |
| [23:45:43] | cureless: | juski: in debian you install the package (with source) and then run "m-a a-i lirc", voila! |
| [23:46:17] | cureless: | suga_bear: I'm realtively new to this, so I might not be the best person, but let me start by asking what are you expecting from your mythtv box? |
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| [23:47:26] | suga_bear: | I am planning now for something like a PVR like TiVo so i can record now watch later |
| [23:48:05] | cureless: | suga_bear: do you want hdtv? |
| [23:49:10] | suga_bear: | cureless: I don't know I guess so I will be buying a new TV in the near future probably HDTV or at least HDTV capable |
| [23:50:50] | cureless: | suga_bear: well, basically, hdtv requires a faster processor than sd. |
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| [23:51:34] | cureless: | suga_bear: there are tv capture cards that do the encoding in hardware for sd, I don't really know about hd hardware encoding. |
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| [23:54:34] | suga_bear: | I have the october 2006 issue of linux pro magazine with an article on mythtv can i take that article as very accurate? |
| [23:54:51] | cureless: | I haven't read the article. |
| [23:56:40] | suga_bear: | the example box in article has a 2.4 Ghz Celeron and Happauge WinTV DVR 150 card would this be adequate? |
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| [23:57:33] | cureless: | suga_bear: as a start system yes. |
| [23:57:42] | cureless: | are you limited in budget? or should I say, what is your budget? |
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