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Wednesday, November 8th, 2006, 00:01 UTC

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Vantage13:

kormoc: ok, so i'm thinking it's a mythtv problem. if I cat /dev/video1 > output.mpg the file is perfect. What mythtv settings would adjust that?

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sphery:

Anyone tried NVIDIA 9629 drivers, yet?

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sphery:

Was about to put NVIDIA drivers on my brand new HDTV system and, of course, they decided to release new ones the same day.

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defend:

question when i run euvexport to xvid by hand it comes out decent but when i run a script i got from knoppymyths site to run nuvexport to xvid it is kinda blocky any ideas?

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CyberKnet:

defend: maybe they're not doing the same thing

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kash:

http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/mrP7bP34.html

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kash:

:/

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kash:

it can't connect to the DB

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D-side:

howdy boys.

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** r3z` gets ready to load his new box with knoppmyth **

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mchou:

if you're in the US, don't forget to vote (if polls are still open)

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kash:

heh

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kash:

i don't vote

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kash:

:p

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r3z:

Loading knoppmyth now

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r3z:

Is their a 64bit version of knoppmyth?

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kash:

i dunno

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kash:

doubt it

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kash:

some codecs are 32bit only

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russK:

I'm getting "Recorder Failed" for manually scheduled recordings

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russK:

I can only watch live TV

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russK:

I just want myth to come on and start recording ... tuning is handled right now by my satellite receiver

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r3z:

Hrm first boot is freezing on saa7114.c

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r3z:

Any ideas?

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r3z:

Anyone?

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levander:

What's the progress bar like with mythtv? Is it as good as the Tivo one for fast forwarding, skipping around in a show?

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Joffray:

what progress bar?

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kormoc:

you'd just have to give it a try

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levander:

Joffray: I don't know if MythTV has one or not. On a Tivo (and on Windows Media Player), when you fast forward and rewind, a progress bar shows up along the entire width of the bottom of the screen.

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kormoc:

levander, it's on the top right with myth by default

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scott_:

it shows current position of total recording time

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scott_:

it's damn beautiful, the best ever

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scott_:

and you can skip forward 30 secs or back 5 and jump forward/back 10 minutes with pgdown/up by default

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levander:

scott_: is it just running xine as the player, or does myth have its own?

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Joffray:

I don't see it

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kormoc:

myth has it's own

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scott_:

mythtv uses mplayer by default lol

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levander:

cool, i'm dying to see this thing now

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levander:

scott_: mplayer?

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Joffray:

kormoc: where is this progress bar

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Joffray:

I've never seen one

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scott_:

levander: i lied

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levander:

scott_: no progress bar?

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scott_:

no about mplayer being run for tv playback

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Joffray:

no, he's lying about mplayer

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kormoc:

Joffray, it's not a eal bar percey, it's just the info on the OSD

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Joffray:

I don't see any info on the OSD

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Joffray:

I just fast forward

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Joffray:

and skip around

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Joffray:

blindly

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levander:

good, i've got to have a progress bar on my DVR, it's a necessity

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kormoc:

well, perhaps your OSD is just broken then

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levander:

Joffray: does OSD work for you at all? anywhere?

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Joffray:

well would you like to help me to enable it

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Joffray:

sure

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Joffray:

guide works fine

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Joffray:

changing channels

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Joffray:

etc

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timbo74:

Hello all, maybe someone could help me . . .

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kormoc:

http://www.aldorf.no/mythtv/

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kormoc:

there's one OSD with a progress bar

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scott_:

yeah retro OSD is probably the prettiest

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scott_:

err ithmus

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kormoc:

http://mvpmc.sourceforge.net/images/myth_osd.jpg

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kormoc:

another one

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levander:

That progress bar looks good. Putting it in the blue box seems wierd at first, but I could see getting used to that and maybe liking it better.

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timbo74:

I'm running Knoppmyth. after setup I was able to watch tv, but after reboot I get an error message saying that it could not connect to the backend server. when I tried to start it manually there was an error because of no /myth/tv directory.

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GreyFoxx:

at a minimum Gray-OSD, RetroOSD and isthmus have progress bars

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GreyFoxx:

not sure about others

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Joffray:

blue does not

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Joffray:

;)

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timbo74:

I created that directory and started backend. It works but it does not start on boot.

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r3z:

Hrm first boot is freezing on saa7114.c

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r3z:

Any ideas?

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r3z:

Anyone?

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Qwell:

Where might one look, if mythtv fails to record something when I tell it to?

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Joffray:

what is saa7114.c ?

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r3z:

ivytv driver

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Joffray:

that doesn't sound like anything of myth's

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Joffray:

then go get support in their channel :)

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Qwell:

it shows up in the recorded list, but the file doesn't exist

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Joffray:

then it didn't record

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levander:

Can you do a screen capture of the current program using myth? Would be cool to pause television, take a screenshot (without the progress bar showing up) and then keep watching.

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Qwell:

Joffray: hence the "fails to record"

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Joffray:

levander, sure, choose a theme with no OSD

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GreyFoxx:

levander: Not when using XvMC or XV output

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r3z:

Its actually knoppmyth :(

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GreyFoxx:

if you want totake a screenshot including the video you need to start myth with the NO_XV environment variable set

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GreyFoxx:

NO_XV=1 mythfrontend

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GreyFoxx:

play the video and take a snapshot

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Joffray:

www.oldskools.org/myth_frontends.png

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Joffray:

err

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Joffray:

http://www.oldskools.org/mythfrontends.png

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levander:

GreyFoxx: is it easy to switch into and out of XvMC or XV support? Like maybe I could record the bit of video I want to capture, switch out of XvMC or XV, play the video, capture it, then switch back to XvMC or XV?

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Joffray:

like that

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GreyFoxx:

levander: vNo, you have to restart mythfrontend

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GreyFoxx:

which I consider "easy"

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Joffray:

you don't have to restart the frontend

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Joffray:

or do you?

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Joffray:

can't you just play it with libmpeg2 or something

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GreyFoxx:

yes, you do if you want to bypass using XV output altogetherto geta screenshot of the video

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levander:

What takes more processing power, the front end or the back end?

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Joffray:

depends on what it is

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levander:

Depends on what what is?

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GreyFoxx:

levander: If you have hardware compression on your cards, ro are using a dvb card then normally the frontend

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Joffray:

GreyFoxx: I didn't bypass XV when I took those screenshots

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GreyFoxx:

other than transocding takes

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levander:

so, big processing (if any) and backend is encoding, big processing on front end is decoding?

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GreyFoxx:

Joffray: Then either myth wasn't using XV output, your X server isn't using XV, or your tool for screenshots is doing something funky

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Joffray:

I pressed print screen

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Joffray:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

XV output is really a chroma (normally blue) background, you send the video via XV directly to the card which overlays/resizesit overthe chromakey

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levander:

Anybody has found a good cheap little computer case for myth box's? I like the Antec Overture II, but it's a $100. Not good if you want a bunch of Myth boxes around.

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GreyFoxx:

so if your toold just grabbs the X11 screenbuffer whichmost due it wont work with xv video

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riddlebox:

hrmm I finally get the info of how to get the log info when nvidia drivers lock up my system, and now it wont do it :)

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Qwell:

So, nowhere to look to see why something fails to record? I see nothing relevant in /var/log/mythtv/

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GreyFoxx:

Qwell: If your backend is logging to a file you can look there, otherwise there isn't really anywhere to look

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Qwell:

GreyFoxx: it is – to /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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Qwell:

but there is nothing of any use

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GreyFoxx:

then Isuspect you are sol

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Qwell:

in fact, the last log message was before noon today

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Joffray:

levander: this is what my progress bar looks like

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Joffray:

http://www.oldskools.org/progressbar.png

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Joffray:

meh 1 sec

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levander:

I keep getting some black pimp guy telling me i got 404'd when I click on your links Joffray

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Joffray:

there

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/osd/ 2ndscreenshot down is what mine looks like

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Joffray:

levander: fixed

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levander:

GreyFoxx: what's the edit box in the last image

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levander:

GreyFoxx: love your theme, what's the name of it?

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GreyFoxx:

levander: when editing a receording/making a cutlist

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GreyFoxx:

levander: Gray-OSD

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GreyFoxx:

It's part of myth 0.20

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levander:

Joffray: that's pretty cool how you can run Myth as a window inside X

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kash:

why would myth say this

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kash:

QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded

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kash:

QSqlDatabase: available drivers:

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levander:

Can I just use the myth media player to play regular mpg files on my desktop? Even if I'm not using the thing as a DVR?

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Joffray:

levander: did you see the screenshot wih many open?

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Joffray:

myth isn't really a media player

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levander:

Joffray: no, i just see the one IRC client and one myth window open

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Joffray:

http://www.oldskools.org/mythfrontends.png

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levander:

Joffray: it looks like it plays media to me

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kash:

Joffray: any idea?

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levander:

Joffray: what would be the problem with using it as a media player?

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GreyFoxx:

levander: You can do thatvideo MythVideo

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Joffray:

it's not a standalone media player

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Joffray:

you can't just double click on a file and have it open with mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

You could if you configured your system to do it :)

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Joffray:

meh, I guess

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kash:

does anyone have any idea? :(

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GreyFoxx:

Though personally I just use mythvideo and navigate to the content

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maxflax:

ok ppl.. this is the deal. I have now installed a twinhan 3030 DVB-T PCI card into my computer,, and now what.. how do I install it.. is it installed by auto.. a lspci show me this 01:06.0 Multimedia controller: Twinhan Technology Co. Ltd Mantis DTV PCI Bridge Controller [Ver 1.0] (rev 01)

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levander:

GreyFoxx: mythvideo is like a media player?

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GreyFoxx:

levander: Mythvideo is a mythtv plugin for organizing/playing non recorded videos

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GreyFoxx:

you can have it use the internal myth player or call an external app

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maxflax:

How do I test it.. and ect? I havent installed mythtv yet.. want to get all the hardware working first

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Joffray:

greyfoxx: where do I set the OSD?

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Joffray:

the OSD theme

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timbo74:

Does anyone know of any block diagrams that show the architecture of myth? It would make it easier to understand what's going on.

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GreyFoxx:

frontend, settings->TvSettings->PLayback I think. Last or one of the last screens

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GreyFoxx:

timbo74: Can't say I've ever seen anything like that

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levander:

Does mythvideo use more memory and CPU than, say mplayer, if I use it as just a regular media player?

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GreyFoxx:

levander: it would

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Joffray:

good call GreyFoxx

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GreyFoxx:

since you have to run mythfrontend to get at mythvideo

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GreyFoxx:

and either way you gotta have mysql available too

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GreyFoxx:

much more than just calling mplayer

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Joffray:

the differences are negligible on a moderately fast system

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levander:

Yeah, but configuring mysql just to get a media player going isn't what I had in mind.

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GreyFoxx:

Then myth isn't for you :)

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Joffray:

yea

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levander:

GreyFoxx: I would do it for a DVR. Not just a media player on a desktop, that I could just click on mplayer and use instead.

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GreyFoxx:

Myth isn'treally intended as a basic video player

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levander:

yeah

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levander:

Sounds like if someone stripped mythvideo out though, they would have something interesting.

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GreyFoxx:

I suppose

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levander:

Depends on how much work stripping it out would be.

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GreyFoxx:

a lot :)

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GreyFoxx:

especially since it uses myths libraries, internal video player, and database

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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levander:

It's just that all the UI for all the media players are so wierd looking. mythvideo seems to have a nice simple one. Plus it would be cool to have a unified UI between your TV and videos on your desktop.

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GreyFoxx:

I do, I run mythfrontend on my TV's and my desktop

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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levander:

You wouldn't have to strip it out completely, just get rid of as many dependencies as you don't really need for a simple media player. Dependencies like mysql.

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kash:

where's the main config for SQL DB's and such?

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levander:

Yeah, maybe after I figure out how to set up myth, setting it up somewhere else won't be such a big deal.

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maxflax:

is v4l installed in kernel by default or is it not a module..

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GreyFoxx:

kask: the config telling mythfrontend where to find the database ?

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maxflax:

and do I have to install it

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kash:

GreyFoxx: yes

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GreyFoxx:

a mysql.txt file,often in .mythtv/mysql.txt in the home directory of theuser running myth

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kash:

oh

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GreyFoxx:

otherwise it can be elsewhere on your system,

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GreyFoxx:

Mine is just a global one in /usr/local/share/mythtv/mysql.txt

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maxflax:

and do I have to recompile the kernel.. is there diff version depending on tv card.. and ect.. and is there a HOW-TO to this so I dont need to ask all these questiobns here

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kash:

i can't get the DBTYPE to change

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GreyFoxx:

maxflax: That really depends on your distro and what they chose to compile into it

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GreyFoxx:

What are you trying to change it to/from ?

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maxflax:

GreyFoxx, well Im using a own kernel from kernel.org

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GreyFoxx:

maxflax: then only you can go look and see if you compiled in support for your device :)

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WeezeyD:

Anyone have the problem where the second consecutive recording skips about 10 seconds in?

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WeezeyD:

I have it on my PVR-150 and my PVR-350

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kash:

nevermind

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maxflax:

man this blows.. cant find anyting useful on google..

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maxflax:

anyone that has installed and are running a Twinhan Mantis card?

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dennister:

hello everyone

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dennister:

i think i've got the installation done, but...

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dennister:

testing the video card (in cli) in terms of making a recording is giving me the result: garbled time

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dennister:

does 'garbled time' refer to the offset from zap2itlabs' datadirect?

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Erroneous:

can someone help me with a sound issue?

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Erroneous:

when recording tv, it sounds like crap. I get the sound, it is just low-quality sounding. I have tried every sampling rate/adjust volume combination and have had the same problem on 2 different sound cards

[04:43:58]

Erroneous:

when I use arecord -d 10 sample.wav and play it, it sounds fine

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Erroneous:

I've played with the input levels as well, and nothing changes

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maxflax:

Building a HTPC on a linux machine is nothing I will recommend for anyone ever.. special if u live in sweden.

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smooth_:

I'm having a database setup error after removing my apache config files. does someone have a working httpd.conf I can look at? the wikis are down

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smooth_:

I/'m trying to use mythweb

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charlieS:

maxflax: ?

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charlieS:

Erroneous: using ivtv?

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Erroneous:

no, bttv

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kormoc:

smooth_, honestly, that won't help too much, as it's distro dependant and setup dependant, you might do better just getting the default one for your install and going from there

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Erroneous:

it does it for the ntsc cable on my pchdtv 5500 AND my ATI TV Wonder Pro

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Erroneous:

and it used to work on Knoppmyth, but when I installed Archlinux, it stopped sounding good

[05:01:19]

Erroneous:

but I'd like to stay away from a Debian distro

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charlieS:

don't like usable package management?

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kormoc:

charlieS, now now, don't start something...

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charlieS:

:))

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Erroneous:

don't like unusable apt. It works, but man does it get to where you can't install anything after a while

[05:03:42]

Erroneous:

anyway, done on my apt rant. Any ideas?

[05:04:36]

charlieS:

no ideas

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Erroneous:

using the same OS/TV cards on another PC with a different sound card worked, but I can't use that sound card in my myth box because it needs to be low profile

[05:05:49]

Erroneous:

and I got a USB card with line in and it does the same thing...

[05:06:33]

kormoc:

well, it's likely two things

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kormoc:

1. Driver

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kormoc:

2. Setup

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maxflax:

charlieS, thats the cold hard truth, I u want a working htpc.. dont go linux cause u will have to settle for crap hardware

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kormoc:

honestly I can't help you more then to sudgest that you check what driver knoppmyth used, and how it was setup

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kormoc:

maxflax, crap hardware? that all depends on if you research before you buy

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charlieS:

maxflax: have you seen the myHD cards? Certainly the PVR-* cards aren't crap..

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charlieS:

and the highest-end sound cards work in Linux..

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Erroneous:

I agree it is probably the driver, but I've done every kind of setup I could. And I'm using the same alsa drivers knoppmyth used

[05:08:01]

Erroneous:

maybe different versions

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kormoc:

maxflax, I know a few poeople who use direct firewire capture of HD 1080 content, pure digital, that's not crap

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maxflax:

note that I said for people in sweden

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kormoc:

Erroneous, versions are quite important.

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charlieS:

maxflax: because the same hardware doesn't work in sweden?

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kormoc:

maxflax, you can still get the cards, sure it might be costly, but it's doable

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charlieS:

I think he wants "good" hardware really cheaply (that only has Windows drivers)

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Erroneous:

but shouldn't be the driver since arecord does it just fine. It could be that something was updated in alsa and mythtv hasn't updated how it records audio yet

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Erroneous:

I'm about ready to wade through the code for mythbackend

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maxflax:

the main purpose of the htpc.. for many ppl is having a TV card in it.. and via that tv card get TV transmissions.. now in sweden u either have to go with Terrestial Digital or Satelit digital..

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kormoc:

Erroneous, all that's abstracted by alsa, so the alsa libs are what handles sound recording

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kormoc:

maxflax, so? you can use a pvr150 + irblaster to control the digital box

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charlieS:

maxflax: I use a sat box only.

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Erroneous:

kormoc: so what would be the difference between arecord and mythtv's sound recording?

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maxflax:

kormoc, well.. I want more than 3 channels.. and those 3 channels only sends crap tv. so I need a card..

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kormoc:

maxflax, so? how's that being limited to bad hardware?

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Erroneous:

arecord does record it at 8 bits if that is any issue

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charlieS:

maxflax: wtf are you talking about? Yes, you need a PVR-150 or similar..

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maxflax:

there is no way of inserting a card into a pvr150 or the hardware u stated a while ago.. since they don't have a CI module

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kormoc:

maxflax, you don't insert the card into the cable box

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kormoc:

maxflax, you take the satalite box's output and put it into the input of the pvr card

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kormoc:

maxflax, it's very commonly done

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** charlieS blinks **

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maxflax:

im talkoing about a smartcard

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smooth_:

kormoc: yeah, I was just hoping to see a working config file. I'm on gentoo. everytyhing was working, I just erased all my conf files and the wikis are down, so I was curious to see what I was missing. I can alter anything that's distro specific.

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charlieS:

smooth_: check out the apache docs.. you just need to point your DocumentRoot at the right place.

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maxflax:

so I can get the pay channels.. for dvb-t

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charlieS:

maxflax: the idea is that your capture card is like a TV.. it'll see what a TV would see.

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kormoc:

maxflax, or you can just use the satalite box you already have and pipe it into a pvr card...

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kormoc:

maxflax, which would give you all the pay channels...

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maxflax:

kormoc, I have a DVB-T not a DVB-S

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smooth_:

http://smooth.hopto.org/mythweb/mythweb.php

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charlieS:

maxflax: can your TV display the sat box output?

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kormoc:

maxflax, doesn't matter... if it displays on the tv, the pvr cards can record it

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charlieS:

hehe.

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kormoc:

maxflax, what this comes down to is you have a misunderstanding of how things could work

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** charlieS can certainly sees how that translates into a Linux issue o.O **

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maxflax:

no.. It means I want a HTPC so I don't have to have all those extra boxes and stuff

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charlieS:

you can use your existing box..

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kormoc:

maxflax, well, if you don't want to use the commonly used solution, that's hardly crap hardware or linux's fault

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maxflax:

so I can go back in time using a analog tranmission between the box and the PVR? nice picture quality there! :7

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kormoc:

back in time? sure, it's recorded to the hard-drive

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** charlieS rolls eyes **

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kormoc:

nice picture quality? sure, as good as the signal allows

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maxflax:

kormoc, sorry, I meant going back in time.. like going back to analog tv..

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kormoc:

digital != better quality, nor does analog == bad quality

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Erroneous:

dang...it sucks when you can google for a problem and the post you made for the same problem that went completely unanswered shows up in the top 10

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kormoc:

maxflax, well, talk with your satalite providers then, they're the ones locking you out of say, firewire capture or what not

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kormoc:

you can get boxes that support it, if they'd let you

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roz:

I just switched to ALSA from OSS. Is there something special i need to do in mythtv. I am not getting any sound.

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kormoc:

roz, you need to tell myth to use alsa, yes

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Erroneous:

make sure you use alsamixer to unmute the right things too

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maxflax:

why not put effort into getting all into the same card.. less middlehands better picture

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charlieS:

maxflax: http://www.pbs.org/opb/crashcourse/digital_v_analog/

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roz:

Erroneous: sound is working in everything else so far

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roz:

kormoc: how/where?

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Erroneous:

roz: are you having the sound come into your line in?

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maxflax:

charlieS, dont be petronicing.. I know the diffrence between Analog and Digital tvä

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kormoc:

roz, the mythtv wiki goes over it if you search for alsa

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charlieS:

maxflax: read the part about which is better...

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charlieS:

"A digital image isn't inherently better than an analog image, and in some cases it can be worse. An HDTV picture doesn't have to be digital either; Japanese HDTV is broadcast over an analog signal. "

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roz:

Erroneous: the recordings are good. I know that because recording is taking place on a different machine entirely. This is a frontend issue only, on playback

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charlieS:

that's not patronizing*

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kormoc:

maxflax, there is smartcard tuners and what not, just not supported by the companys, the tech is out there, they just don't want it around

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charlieS:

maxflax: for audio, people prefer analog too.

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Erroneous:

roz: yeah, then in your mythtv-frontend, go to the general setup and change the audio output device and mixer device to the right thing

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charlieS:

roz: "Alsa:default"

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maxflax:

charlieS, digital is better.. analog is crap

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kormoc:

maxflax, not always, not always

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charlieS:

maxflax: you just go on with that perception, then.

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roz:

charlieS: do i put that for both output device and mixer?

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kormoc:

maxflax, but in anycase, there's no point in going on with this discussion, let's just all drop it

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maxflax:

charlieS, And we dont have analog transmissions here anyway

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charlieS:

roz: for mixer you can just put "default"

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Erroneous:

digital is better in that it can give you more in less bandwidth. Analog is better in that you lose no quality with the right setup

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roz:

Error opening audio device (Alsa:default), the error was: No such file or directory

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kormoc:

roz, caps matter, I think it's alsa or ALSA

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charlieS:

sorry.. ALSA:default

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roz:

ah yes, Much Better!

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charlieS:

hehe sweden

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charlieS:

(kidding..)

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Mattwj2005:

good evening everyone :)

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** charlieS is looking forward to going there some day **

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roz:

Thanks all! Flash 9 made me finally convert to alsa. I've been so resistant

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charlieS:

hi Mattwj2005

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Mattwj2005:

anyone want a pvr-150?

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charlieS:

roz: alsa is the poo (in the, uh, good way)

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Mattwj2005:

it is being such a pain!

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maxflax:

kormoc, so your solution is having a antenna cable from your satelitreciver into your pvr.. and your pvr being a analog receiver... ?

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charlieS:

Mattwj2005: sure, for free.

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Mattwj2005:

lol just kidding

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kormoc:

maxflax, aye

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spiderworm:

hi all, i created a file in /usr/share/xsessions for mythfrontend, and now it work straight from kdm, but now the monitor is powering off while i watch shows, i suppose because of acpi... anyone know how i can disable that? maybe in the /usr/share/xsessions file?

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charlieS:

maxflax: I use svideo from my satellite box to the 150

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maxflax:

yeah, that will make a nice image on my plamsa tv.. not

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Mattwj2005:

yeah the pvr-150 isn't picking up any channels

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maxflax:

your setup works perfect on a SD tv..

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kormoc:

spiderworm, http://kormoc.homelinux.org/xorg.conf/xorg.conf.trihead

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Mattwj2005:

I just got done with a custom kernel too :(

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kormoc:

spiderworm, under the montior section, i have Option "DPMS" "true", set that to false in yours

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marmoset:

anyone use nuvexport with hd content?

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kormoc:

maxflax, for HD, just capture directly via firewire from the box, no analog card at all, no card at all, just pure digital

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kormoc:

marmoset, xris has, and it mostly works afaik

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spiderworm:

kormoc: is there some way to do that for only mythfrontend?

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kormoc:

spiderworm, no

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maxflax:

kormoc, have no firewire from box, dont got firewire in my HTPC

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spiderworm:

kormoc: if someone logs into kde or gnome... oh ok

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marmoset:

kormoc: yeah, was curious if there was a way to set the fps, some of my hd recordings are at 60fps, and the xvids created are too much for mplayer ;)

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kormoc:

spiderworm, not in there at least, there might be another program, google might help

[05:33:43]

kormoc:

maxflax, well, that's a limitation of your hardware due to your satalite company, not of linux

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charlieS:

maxflax: for SDTV, it'll look fine.

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** charlieS can't tell a difference between the sat->TV and mythtv output at 720p **

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maxflax:

kormoc, well is't not linux fault that the manufactrs wont release drivers for their hardware.. but neverless that makes linux not a good platform on building a fully functional htpc on.. it works if you want a halv solution with extra boxes and stuff.. but that destoys the idea of a HTPC. Linux is good.. but not for HTPC.. not now anyway due to it's limitations

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Mattwj2005:

I am going to try ivtv 0.8.0 drivers...see if I can figure anything out

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kormoc:

maxflax, it's not driver related, it's the satalite company's fault, they don't want to give access to the equipment that is happy to use, they want to keep the content locked down, it's not really fair to call it a linux issue

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kormoc:

maxflax, it's just as locked down in windows

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kormoc:

and anyway, enough with this

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maxflax:

kormoc, it's a drivers issue, I have the card.. I have the CA module for inserting the smartcard into.. drivers exitst in windows but not in linux.. All the satelite companies wants it getting payed for their transmissions and that has nothing to do with getting a TV card working.

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kormoc:

maxflax, meh, enough with the topic. it's a long dead horse now

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maxflax:

charlieS, I dont have a SD tv.. SD sources on my tv look like crap

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Erroneous:

so anyone know what mythbacked would be doing differently than arecord when recording the audio?

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maxflax:

this is strange, from twinhans site.. does this mean there is drivers.. Im puzzled..TwinHan Technology provides whole series Linux driver followed by Linux TV standard.. TwinHan hardware easily integrate with Linux TV Application under Linux TV standard. Not only working with Linux TV, TwinHan hardware also works with TwinHan own developed LinTV software for OEM/SI customers.

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kormoc:

maxflax, that would say they do provide drivers

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Paladine:

go democrats :)

[06:01:43]

kormoc:

maxflax, maybe you should email them about it

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maxflax:

kormoc, jupp.. prob.. they seem to have something to with http://www.linuxtv.org/ .. isn't that v4l?

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dtm:

does anyone here have a mythfrontend built for macos for a g3?

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rothgar:

I am having a problem with my frontend not connecting to my remote backend

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rothgar:

I keep getting database note open, can anyone please help :)

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rothgar:

not*

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rothgar:

I am not sure if my password is wrong (I don't know the default pass for mythtv usr) or if there is something else that is wrong but mythtvfrontend won't start

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robbins876:

it's mythtv, usually

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robbins876:

what's the error you're getting when you try to load mythfrontend from a shell?

[06:32:13]

rothgar:

well, a lot of errors keep repeating but this is the gist of it

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robbins876:

don't paste in here

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rothgar:

ya, I am going to past bin

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rothgar:

although I don't have a right click so I don't know if I can copy

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rothgar:

:-/

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reeddler:

hello

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Mattwj2005:

well guys....I switched to an old WinTV card instead of my PVR-150 :(

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reeddler:

anyone here had a problem w/firewire setup in that it starts recording a few seconds before the channel switch resulting in a gap.. which is ok during the playback but confuses nuvexport and ffmpeg, which only transcode/encode the first part before the gap...

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robbins876:

rothgar: ctlr-c?

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robbins876:

deal or no deal is the dumbest show

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reeddler:

robbins876 : like all of them

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robbins876:

it's so awful... i can't believe i'm watching it, but i can't stop!

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robbins876:

the models are so hot

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reeddler:

ok.. since noone seems to have an answer to my prev q... how about this.. what's an easy way to split an mpeg file in linux?

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Joffray:

split?

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Joffray:

you could use the editor in mythtv

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reeddler:

imnsho... the hottest models are at the brazilian jiu-jitsu tournaments

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reeddler:

Joffray – via the command line... so I can script it somehow

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reeddler:

i tried -s on ffmpeg trying to forward it past the gap... but it doesnt see past it...

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Joffray:

http://mpgcut.sourceforge.net/

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Joffray:

like that?

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Joffray:

which I guess has become http://mpgtx.sourceforge.net/

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reeddler:

yeah like that.. but its not really working as advertized...

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reeddler:

I guess I'll be better off fixing the issue w/premature recording

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robbins876:

anyone use Fedora Core 6?

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rothgar:

sorry, that took hella long to get to pastebin http://pastebin.com/819536

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xris:

robbins876: my workstation is.. and I do occasionally run myth on it

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rothgar:

that is the sql error I get (wel part of it)

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robbins876:

what distro, rothgar?

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rothgar:

ubuntu 6.10

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xris:

reeddler: avidemux can probably do it. not an easy split, but cutting and save-as on the various parts.

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xris:

not many programs can reliably slice up mpeg2 streams.

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Joffray:

rothgar

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Joffray:

the log is pretty self explanatory

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rothgar:

well, I know it can't connect

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xris:

robbins876: what's up about fc6?

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rothgar:

but I don't know why

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Joffray:

well

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Joffray:

it looks like either a. the server isn't on that ip

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rothgar:

cause the sql server is running and I followed the steps in the documentation to allow logins

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Joffray:

or b. it wasn't started

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robbins876:

xris: nothing, just wondering if anyone else used it. I was just thinking about how I used to use windows until i found fedora... now i'll never go back

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halex-ab:

Heya Joffray..!

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Joffray:

do I know you?

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halex-ab:

Notorious, I'm just bored..

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halex-ab:

No *

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Joffray:

notorious?

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Joffray:

;)

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rothgar:

joffray: well the front-end was connected, it crashed, and then it wouldn't connect

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Joffray:

well

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rothgar:

I never did anything on the backend :-/

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Joffray:

can you login to the mysql server at that ip

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Joffray:

?

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rothgar:

yes

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Joffray:

and the database exists

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rothgar:

as far as I know

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Joffray:

mysql -u mythtv -p mythtv -h 192.168.2.12

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Joffray:

show databases;

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rothgar:

from the frontend box right?

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Joffray:

that log is from the frontend or backend?

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Joffray:

looks like frontend

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rothgar:

from the frontend connecting to the backend

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Joffray:

k

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rothgar:

that is what I get when trying to start the frontend

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Joffray:

then try loging in to the mysql server

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Joffray:

then it's not setup right

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robbins876:

man, my hair seriously itches right now

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Joffray:

I'mma go watch tv

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xris:

robbins876: I'm not entirely happy with fc6.. too much beta software. and buggy gnome, and I still don't quite like kde enough to switch.

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robbins876:

I'm a fan of KDE, but i'm using gnome right now and have been for the last week or so... I want to switch back, but compiz is too fun...

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kormoc:

you can use compiz with kde

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rothgar:

exit

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rothgar:

haha, oops

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robbins876:

kormoc: I get all kinds of problems when i run compiz in KDE

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reeddler:

clear

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reeddler:

on the contrary, i've switched to fluxbox a month ago or so.. and I'd never go back to KDE, Gnome and like :)

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reeddler:

i guess to each his own...

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kormoc:

xfce myself :)

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reeddler:

ugh.. I still dont get it why it would start recording before the channel is switched

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juski:

good luck getting mythtv to work with compiz. YMMV greatly

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Dagmar:

It's a lot like autoerotic asphyxiation.

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juski:

what? like you might get a great buzz from it & live to tell the tale? ;)

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Dagmar:

...and like you might come to an embarrasing end.

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juski:

X crashing isn't quite as bad as suffocating yourself & being discovered by your landlord in an undignified state.. but hey each to their own

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Dagmar:

That depends on whether you're watching teh Big Game

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Dagmar:

"He's at the 30... the 20... the 10..." *pop*

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Dagmar:

...and then suddenly for some people, being found with their tongue swollen and purple and their schlong in their hand doesn't seem like such a bad thing.

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juski:

this conversation is way too surreal for 08:58

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Dagmar:

I'm good at that. Look at my whois, mofo

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Dagmar:

Oh bloody hell, I changed it

[08:58:48]

Dagmar:

well... it was

[08:58:59]

Dagmar:

well... it was "Dagmar d'Surreal" for about a decade running until recently

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mchou:

haha, karl rove needs remedial math lessons

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Dagmar:

Not to mention more lawyers

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mchou:

Dagmar: yup, when the new Congress decides to probe his ass with a microscope

[09:01:43]

Dagmar:

Looks like things are moving along faster than expected on that front.

[09:02:13]

Dagmar:

Bush & Co are trying to prevent interviewing of fourteen of the suspected terrorist detainees on "national security" grounds.

[09:03:00]

Dagmar:

Basically, saying that it would be bad for the nation's security if it were found out that they've been recieveing gentle electrical stimulation of the genitals while beign asked pointed questions by outsourced operatives.

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juski:

only 'gentle' ?

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juski:

how do they expect to get real answers if they're only using 'gentle' electrical stimulation?!

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Dagmar:

Well, I'm sure that's what the defense lawyers will want to call it

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Dagmar:

"It can't really harm them since it's only a few microamperes of current, so their lives were never in danger"

[09:05:28]

Dagmar:

"...therefore at no time were these detainees--by the legal definition of the word--being tortured."

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Dagmar:

It's kind of like watching large hourglasses drain out now, except that instead of grains of sand there's sanity and respect for authority.

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juski:

wheee NHell & Telepest are trialling 50Mbit broadband

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juski:

blimey. X already runs at 100 DPI on ubuntu

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juski:

exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp, found in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc

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juski:

btw I'm looking to change ubuntu vnc's default listening port which is why I'm digging around

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lloy0076:

I take it that MythTV will read MPEG-4 encoded AVI images (I think that's what my friend is saying he has – he describes them as just MPEG4s).

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juski:

try it

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juski:

the internal play will deal with most kinds of files as long as you have the right codecs installed AFAIK

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juski:

s/play/player

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juski:

avi is just a (crap) container format anyway

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janneg:

the codecs are internal too. they don't need to be installed

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lloy0076:

True, but that doesn't mean that people don't use it unfortunately :(

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juski:

anyway you're not limited to using mythtv's internal player if it turns out that it can't play your files – in mythvideo at least

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quicksil1er:

by the way, I found a DVD which the internal player failed on. What the right way to report that?

[11:12:41]

quicksil1er:

("failed" == couldn't navigate the menus on)

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juski:

try using a more up to date version of mythtv and if it still has issues raise a ticket for it

[11:14:03]

** quicksil1er nods **

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quicksil1er:

meaning I should try svn?

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quicksil1er:

or is 0.20 'up to date'?

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BULLE:

quicksil1er: i would just stick to 0.20

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juski:

0.20-fixes would be best

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juski:

btw does xine play the dvd okay?

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quicksil1er:

I didn't try that. But I will.

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quicksil1er:

It plays ok in a PS2, that's all else I tried so far :)

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juski:

wtf did someone think anybody would want to see nekkid pics of Shakira ffs?

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BULLE:

juski: url ?

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juski:

www.nakeduglybints.com

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jduggan:

anyone here ever used raid1 with debian?

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quicksil1er:

well, i've used lvm(2) with debian, and that's probably the approach I would take if I wanted to use raid

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quicksil1er:

or did you mean hardware-raid?

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jduggan:

nah software raid

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quicksil1er:

then I'd use lvm or perhaps evms

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quicksil1er:

and debian would be mostly out of the picture :)

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quicksil1er:

the new-ish debian boot images will set you up with lvm anyhow, that's how I build new machines these days

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dverzolla:

Hi All! I need to record 24h (all day) from a channel. WHat is the best choice to a CARD for Linux?

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juski:

yay! Pingu is making a bid for the xmas number one! :)

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juski:

dverzolla: depends what kind of tv you want to record.. analogue or digital, standard def. or HD, satellite or terrestrial....

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dverzolla:

juski, I work in a TV Company... The technicals of TV giveme a upstream cable that come directly from a distribution... I believe that this is digital... right?

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juski:

you';ve asked this before & talked about the very same thing. people recommended you stuff & now you're back asking the same questions. wth ?

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PointyPumper:

he wants to be sure (?)

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juski:

so you want to record one channel of analogue video & stereo audio.. get a pvr150 card & have done with it

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dverzolla:

juski, and if the signal is digital? What is a good choice?

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juski:

depends on what KIND of digital it is

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juski:

if the feed comes direct from the broadcaster it might not even be in a format you can even use with an off-the-shelf tv tuner card

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juski:

so I'd say.. if you want more specific answers, provide more specific information

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juski:

damn

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juski:

dverzolla: why not ask the tech guys at the company where you work for recommendations? they're the only ones who will know what is suitable, surely

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juski:

without knowing the specifics it's all anyone can say

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dverzolla:

juski, Ok, I Will ask.

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juski:

what exactly are they doing for you? remind me.. something about your own special feed? how are you entitled to that?

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dverzolla:

juski, I need to record all my programming

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dverzolla:

juski, 24h

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dverzolla:

juski, you know some card that encode using mpeg4?

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quicksil1er:

I think it's safe to assume that juski knows that, yes

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juski:

only the plextor convertx encodes to mpeg4 and is supported by mythtv. otherwise you're limited to using (crappy) software encoding which is a lot more CPU intensive

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dverzolla:

juski, I need to record all my programming

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dverzolla:

juski,

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dverzolla:

24h

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juski:

yes I know that

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juski:

only the plextor convertx encodes to mpeg4 and is supported by mythtv. otherwise you're limited to using (crappy) software encoding which is a lot more CPU intensive

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juski:

you could always record in mpeg2 using a pvr150 card & transcode to mpeg4 when the recording has finished

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juski:

how is the 24 hours worth of shows split up? how will you tell mythtv when the shows start & finish?

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juski:

without EPG data the best you'd be able to do is make a dummy video source with the show start & end times

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dverzolla:

juski, acctually I use mythtv with a Osprey 210... I record only some pieces off day... I use a PostJob that use ffmpeg to encode to a mp4... then I can open they in FinalCut...

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juski:

otherwise myth would only record in up to 30 minute long chunks which will split the shows

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juski:

so you're already using some framegrabber card – so you _know_ the answer to most of your questions already

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GreyFoxx:

Fake programming data set to record every instances of a "show" and have the data set the show as 1 our long might do the trick. Most showsboth 1hour, 2hour and 30 minute long end on the hour boundary

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dverzolla:

juski, sorry for don't answer your questions...

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dverzolla:

juski, I will back later. thanks

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juski:

for the effort it would take, making 12 or 24 (or even 6) manual record rules & having them record every day would do the trick aswell

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Beakster:

Hi, I want ot buy a PCI DVB-T card for Myth in the UK. Can anyone give me a recommendation please

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Beakster:

I already have a remote

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Beakster:

and i dont want to spend too much on it

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juski:

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=196756

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juski:

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=378685

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juski:

my 2 dvb-t cards are very similar to the last one I posted & I'm very happy with them

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Beakster:

thanks juski

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Beakster:

out of thoese 2, which is best?

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Beakster:

juski ok im going to order the 2nd one (LeadTek) now

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juski:

don't shoot me if you can't get it to work though ;)

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juski:

should be ok – support for that chipset has been in the kernel since about 2.6.10 or so

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Beakster:

cool

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Beakster:

40 pounds inc vat

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quicksil1er:

juski: does your compro have a weird problem where it doesn't always work on a hard boot but it does from a soft boot?

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juski:

I don't have anything by compro

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quicksil1er:

wasn't that first one you linked a compro?

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quicksil1er:

ah, you didn't say you had one

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quicksil1er:

:)

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juski:

yeah

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quicksil1er:

I thought you were saying you had those two

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quicksil1er:

now I read what you actually did say it wasn't quite that :)

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quicksil1er:

I've always steered off cards with the word 'Win' in the name

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juski:

not reading properly often leads to confuzzlement

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quicksil1er:

clearly that's not necessary in these case

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quicksil1er:

juski: too true

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juski:

I bought 3 of the same cards from Ebay, all for less than £25 each

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quicksil1er:

being too busy --> not paying enough attention --> confuzzlement --> wasted time --> being more busy

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juski:

last one was £14 delivereed

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quicksil1er:

it's a vicious circle, I tell you!

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Beakster:

juski

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Beakster:

how so cheap

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Beakster:

?

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Beakster:

i look on ebay and all dvb are very expensive

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quicksil1er:

juski has the ebay-fu!

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Beakster:

well thats mine ordered

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Beakster:

40 pounds inc VAT and delivery

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Beakster:

should be here on friday

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Beakster:

i'll cancel the amazon order i had that has an estimated delivery date of 1st of Dec

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RyeBrye3:

I'm trying to build mythtv from source on an FC6 box – but when I am installing some of the development libraries I get this transaction error:

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RyeBrye3:

http://pastebin.ca/243435

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RyeBrye3:

Should I yum remove every one of those packages that is being conflicted with? would that remove too much stuff?

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RyeBrye3:

oh.. nm – it looks like just fftw2-double-2.1.5–12.fc5.at is the cause of all those problems... I'll remove that and see what else it wants to take with it

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RyeBrye3:

yep... that worked like a charm... (I guess I should read over my error messages before pastebinning them next time)

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adante:

any nuvexport users

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adante:

my recordings are appearing as

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adante:

(11/6, 01:57 AM) 720x576 DIVX (4:3)

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adante:

and they're actually 16:9 – this is obviously messing up the transcode output

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RyeBrye3:

would this setup be a good one to work with on a Pentium 4 with an nVidia card? ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --enable-xvmc --arch=i686 --enable-proc-opt

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RyeBrye3:

I see a lot of mac os stuff in the source – does mythbackend run on OS X, or just the frontend?

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adante:

RyeBrye3: thats basically what i use, yep

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adante:

(the config string)

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adante:

i doubt i have to say this but – make sure your nvidia card suppports xvmc

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seth|laptop:

hrm, since the upgrade from .19 to .20, I seem to have lost mythstream.

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Brano:

Hi. I have DViCO Fusion GOLD card which is functioning OK in kdeTV but the picture is scrambled in mythTV. It's analog NTSC. Any ideas where to look?

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RyeBrye3:

yeah, my nvidia card does support xvmc...

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RyeBrye3:

Should I be concerned that in the config list that came up after ./config it said "no" for lirc? I tried --enable-lirc but that didn't seem to change it

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adante:

i don't use it, so don't know – but if you need lirc, it sounds like a concern

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adante:

anyway i'm off to sleep.. good luck

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seth|laptop:

fryfrog: I ordered that Harmont 880 a while back, the one I received was deffective, so they are sending me a replacement, should be here today, any hints to get it up and running, and I do not recall, will I need a windows box to configure it?

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: Yeah, windows app it comes with. Just follow its suggestions, it was nice and easy :)

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seth|laptop:

cool

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seth|laptop:

I was a bit put out, when I got the last one out of the box, and it would not power up, apparently the battery they sent was spent, but they shipped me a new one free of charge, ups has is slated for delivery today

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fryfrog:

a new batt or whole new unit?

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fryfrog:

does yours have a built in rechargable or something?

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seth|laptop:

they were not sure, so I sent the whole thing back, they sent me an e-mail after they discovered the problem, they were actually quite nice about the whole thing

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seth|laptop:

yes it has a rechargeable li-ion battery

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fryfrog:

ah, neat

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seth|laptop:

the important thing is, I need to install windows on my laptop today, so that tonight I can set it up, no windows machines at home :-(

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seth|laptop:

actually that is a good thing , hehe :-)

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Beakster:

quit

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: vmware ?

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seth|laptop:

fryfrog: thats a great idea, I have that on my gentoo

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juski:

mmm Cillit Bang

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seth|laptop:

juski: pg 2.1 said I had a corrupt bzip2 file, I tried downloading it like 3 times successfully any ideas?

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juski:

seth|laptop: hmmmm

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juski:

I'll check it

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juski:

just typed the whole URL from memory.. I'll make an md5sum for it

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juski:

the 4:3 one yes?

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S4mdf0o1:

hi all

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seth|laptop:

yes

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seth|laptop:

fryfrog: the harmony remote app runs in wine

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juski:

does the harmony remote float in wine too? ;)

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seth|laptop:

but fails when it can't detect the device

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** seth|laptop installs winxp in vmware **

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** seth|laptop can't beleive he is installing windows **

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juski:

seth|laptop: trying to download it from my own site is taking aaaages :(

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seth|laptop:

it took a bit to wget it too, but then it comes down like lightning, once it connects

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S4mdf0o1:

I've intalled Mythtv (Debian/etch) but with mythtv-setup, I've got no text displayed, any tip ?

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S4mdf0o1:

or link !? I can't find what's missing !?

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juski:

seth|laptop: 3bae779c6a969f978586e3281609b9f8 ProjectGrayhem-2.1.tar.bz2

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seth|laptop:

it is the same

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seth|laptop:

wierd

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juski:

5e33554c8fa7b612cfa652beb0eca744 ProjectGrayhem-wide-2.1.tar.bz2

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juski:

seth|laptop: just used tar xvjpf on the file & it came out fine

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defend:

question what do you need for hdtv? card wise

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seth|laptop:

ok, now for whatever reason it worked

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seth|laptop:

:-)

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reeddler:

I tried Grayhem.. the fonts look weird

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reeddler:

... i mean.. text is wrapping where its not supposed to wrap... words cut off...

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juski:

reeddler: you didn't use the right font then did ya? bet you didn't read the readme

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juski:

you also have to run X at 100 DPI

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juski:

for any theme to look right

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reeddler:

the other themes look right... I guess I have to give it another chance

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juski:

guess you have to read the README.txt file

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reeddler:

... once I figure out why my firewire recorder starts recording before the channel is switched...

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whee:

t

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fryfrog:

Does anyone know how I can add more workspaces in Ubuntu? For the life of me, I can't figure it out :/

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seth|laptop:

right click the applet on the start task bar?

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defend:

any recomendations for hd cards?

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fryfrog:

I like my air2pc cards

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** seth|laptop agrees with fryfrog, inexpensive, and they just work **

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juski:

ach well. hometime

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Ryushin:

I'd buy pchdtv cards. They put a lot of development back into mythtv. I have two of them and they work great.

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Ryushin:

Oh, and they just work. But I guess I have to change that now, the new HD-5000 card, requires 2.6.18 to "just work".

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defend:

k thanks guys

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defend:

thats what i was looing for

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seth|laptop:

ok, I have a query. I have a frontend/master-backend system at home as well as a frontend/slave b`-backend system/

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seth|laptop:

.the master/front has 2 hd cards in it, and it will not let me direct enter channels to change to them, i can however direct enter channels into the slave via the master, and change channels on a dish network receiver, but I cannot direct enter to go back to the hd tuners

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seth|laptop:

in short on the front, entering 431 will not take me to hd-43, I have to channel up and then hit enter, but on the front, I can enter 122 and go to scifi on the dish, whos tuner is back on the slave. but, after I do this, i cannot enter 431 again to return to hd, I have to hit the "Y" mapped button, to switch cards.

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seth|laptop:

is this normal, or do I have a config issue

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seth|laptop:

?

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fryfrog:

did anyone see heroes?

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: When ever I was testing, I *had* to switch inputs with the Y key

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** seth|laptop watched/recorded/burned heros **

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seth|laptop:

fryfrog: before I added the slave, and the 2nd hd card, i could use direct entry for everything, now several things have changed since then, I have upgraded to .20, and built the slave, moving my pvr150 card to the slave, what I don't get is that i can direct enter dish channels, and the thing works, I just can't go back from there, to HD

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seth|laptop:

ne1 here watch "The OC" ?

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jduggan:

sometimes

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seth|laptop:

2 episodes this week

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jduggan:

eye sea

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seth|laptop:

good old mythweb, as I watch recording commflagged, I would have never know, but mytht was smart enough to schedule them to record, hehe

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jduggan:

Kyle-Work: sucks lots of donkey nuts

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jduggan:

just so all #mythtv-users know

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fryfrog:

huh?

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antiPo5ix:

I just upgraded to Ubuntu 6.10 and got everything working except my TV-Out on my nvidia graphics card. The TV-Out works, but I can only choose 800x600, 640x480 at a very flickery 51Hz

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antiPo5ix:

I added HorizSync 30.0 – 70.0

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antiPo5ix:

still I only have 51Hz to choose from from the Screen Resolution section in Ubuntu

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fryfrog:

antiPo5ix: Usually, svideo/rca is limited to 800x600, *sometimes* 1024x768

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fryfrog:

antiPo5ix: if you are PAL, 51hz should be right?

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antiPo5ix:

I am using NTSC

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seth|laptop:

when I was running NTSC svideo out, the best I could do was 800x600 60Hz

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fryfrog:

antiPo5ix: sounds like your video card thinks it is using pal, you have nvidia based? check nvidia's readme for lots of TV options

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fryfrog:

sounds like you might want to turn on flicker filter, force it to use NTSC and force the mode to composite or svideo, which ever you are using

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juski:

ahh the nvidia flicker filter.. curer of many interlaced ills :)

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Hoxzer:

GEEZ, I hate that I'm forced to study swedish in my country

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Hoxzer:

it just kills me

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juski:

and don't expect better than 800x600 out of any svideo/composite TV output... you might be able to make X run at 1024x768 or whatever but the bandwidth of PAL or NTSC is too limiting for that kind of res. to be any use

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juski:

muhahahaha.. eat THAT telemarking monkey!

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juski:

telemarketing even

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daedalus_:

Anyone else having problems with myth0.20 locking up on their PowerBook(ppc)?

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juski:

"good evening blah blah blah..." said she.. so I simply pointed out I'm registered with TPS. they put the phone down. result

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daedalus_:

TPS?

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juski:

telephone preference service

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juski:

register with them, and you opt out of telemarketing calls. if any company doesn't adhere to the list of opt-outs they get major fines

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daedalus_:

juski: yeah, but the TPS list is public domain, and any non-profits are allowed to call people even if they are on the TPS... thus a ready-made list of numbers that can be obtained via FIA for lots of people wanting phone #s

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jigga_what:

is 23.975 FPS ntsc native ?

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jigga_what:

for DVD

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jigga_what:

./mpeg2

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fryfrog:

I thought that was PAL?

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fryfrog:

er, no wait i think you are right

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fryfrog:

I believe that dvd players use 2/3 pulldown to turn that into 30fps

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opello:

23.976 is ntsc film

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jigga_what:

opello: 25 FPS is PAL right ?

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opello:

yeah

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jigga_what:

but 23.976 is actual NTSC film right ?

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opello:

according to the standard

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jigga_what:

yea

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jigga_what:

well i ripped one of my dvd's

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jigga_what:

and i looked at the framerate and i was like WTF

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jigga_what:

opello: do any dvd's come in 29 fps already ?

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jigga_what:

or do they jsut use 23.976 cause its easier to transfer to pal

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opello:

not sure

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juski:

daedalus_: nevertheless I shouldn't be getting calls from companies :)

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juski:

jigga_what: movie dvds can be 24fps or NTSC or PAL framerates

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jigga_what:

juski: from my experince most ntsc dvd i have saw are 23.976 FPS

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juski:

as near to 24fps are you're gonna get

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juski:

which incidentally is the original framerate ;)

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stuarta:

evening all...

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juski:

evening stuarta. hows goes stuff?

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juski:

hows? er.. how even

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stuarta:

:) busy...

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jigga_what:

juski: where you from ?

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juski:

from planet Earth originally, but I moved to Manchester in the UK almost 10 years ago

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jigga_what:

ahhhh

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jigga_what:

from where?

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juski:

somewhere not far from newcastle upon tyne

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jigga_what:

ahh

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jigga_what:

jw

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jigga_what:

casue "er" here in the usa no one does ;)

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juski:

?!

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jigga_what:

lol

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jigga_what:

er is just something that i always hear from people from england and germany ;)

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juski:

hmmm... as if nobody living in the USA ever hestitates or admits making a mistake...

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jigga_what:

??

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** seth|laptop makes mistakes all the time, never hesitates, heh **

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juski:

never mind

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jigga_what:

juski: all i said was i rarely hear it, i didnt need any anti american comment back

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** seth|laptop the best way to learn something new is to show how stupid you really are!, lol **

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juski:

you think that was anti american? man, you need a sense of perspective

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jigga_what:

i took it as that.......yes

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jigga_what:

i would have ever said that about england

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juski:

if I'd have intended it to come across as an anti-american comment I'd have left you and everybody else in no doubt about it

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juski:

so chill out ;)

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jigga_what:

i dont carehow you feel ...........atleast just respect everyone :)

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seth|laptop:

juski: I am perusing the mythtvtalk forums, and I see mention of tv recordings showing up as .nuv, my recordings are showing up as .mpg, am I missing a setting or something?

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seth|laptop:

is .nuv better(smaller) than an .mpg file?

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juski:

well look, if you thought i was being disrespectful about the USA I apologise. that's not what I intended, ok?

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Joffray:

Terrist!

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juski:

seth|laptop: .nuv files used to come from all kinds of recording sources, mpeg or not. Now only transcoded files (IIRC) and software encoded files come with the .nuv extension

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jigga_what:

juski: thanks, and if you ddint mean it that way i aplogize for accusing it

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seth|laptop:

so my air2pc and pvr 150 cards, would not produce an .nuv file by default, I would have to transcode first?

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Joffray:

correct

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juski:

and from what I've seen of software encoders, there's no way nuv files could look 'better' IMHO

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seth|laptop:

whew

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juski:

not with the puny CPUs I use in my backends anyway ;)

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juski:

reading through the Ubuntu mythtv docs in their wiki & I'm becoming concerned...

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juski:

"A normal part of mythtv maintenance is damage recovery"

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Joffray:

damage recovery?

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Joffray:

<jigga_what> opello: do any dvd's come in 29 fps already ?

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Joffray:

yes, TV show dvds are sometimes 29.97fps

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juski:

that's what it says... just gimme a quick show of hands, long-time mythtv users.. how many times have you had to reinstate a backup of the database in say 12 months?

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scott_:

0

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Joffray:

hmm

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Joffray:

0

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seth|laptop:

2

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jams:

maybe it's cause ubunta updates screw with things?

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seth|laptop:

that would be 2 in the past 4 months actually, both times I updated either knoppmyth or mythtv

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Joffray:

I use ubuntu on my backend

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** seth|laptop runs a cron job to back up the mysql database nightly **

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juski:

interesting comment about the updates, jams

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Joffray:

mythtv is suppossed to migrate the db schema for you

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Joffray:

it did for me

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jams:

never used ubunta, but I have heard several people complain about such things

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Joffray:

when I upgraded from an old revision of .19 fixes to .20 fixes

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juski:

is there any merit in keeping up to date with all the updates?

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** seth|laptop is not so swift, it was probably something I did incorrectly **

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Joffray:

only if you're having problems

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juski:

I've read horror stories about folks upgrading between versions.. i.e. going from Breezy to Dapper.. but that's not something to be taken lightly IMHO

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Joffray:

really?

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Joffray:

worked flawlessly for me

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seth|laptop:

i went from KM r5c7 to r5d1 and back to r5c7, only ahd to reinstate the DB once

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juski:

same here, when I tried it

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Joffray:

r5?

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Joffray:

oh

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Joffray:

KnoppMyth

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seth|laptop:

yes

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Joffray:

meh

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juski:

actually a useful feature inclusion would be automagic db backing up :)

[20:53:11]

Joffray:

automagic db backing up is very very very easy

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seth|laptop:

i run mysql dump at 3am and mythfilldatabase at 4am every day

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** juski adds that to the list of 'todo' things he has **

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** seth|laptop scribes in "Make mythtv badges available" to juski's list :-) **

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Joffray:

mythtv badges? for your website?

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juski:

fuck. I forgot about them

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Joffray:

lame

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juski:

no. mythtv case badges

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seth|laptop:

case badges for my many front/backends

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seth|laptop:

up to 5 now

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Joffray:

hm, not as lame

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Joffray:

but I'd never put one on

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Joffray:

:

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Joffray:

)

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dschinges:

hello! has anyone of you experiences with a knc1 dvb-c card?

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juski:

I have the bones of a webpage ready.. I just need to decide on a fair price – one that doesn't rip the buyer off & one where I don't spend too many hours packing stuff up :)

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jigga_what:

Joffray: yea thanks

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juski:

dschinges: never even heard of knc, whoever they are ;)

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dschinges:

great... :( that are those guys: http://www.knc1.com/gb.htm

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dschinges:

i just bought a dvb-c card from them and all mythtv keeps telling me is 'failed to open the card' if i try to scan channels (it works with scan on the console)

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Joffray:

make sure open dvb card on demand is disabled

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Joffray:

you also might try running mythtv-setup as root

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dschinges:

where can i disable that setting (i already tried running mythtv-setup as root)

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juski:

or make sure the user you're running mythtv-setup as is a member of the video group

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dschinges:

he is.

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** stuarta goes and sticks a case badger on his case... **

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Joffray:

the video group? weird

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** juski beers stuarta **

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dschinges:

where can i disable 'open dvb card on demand'?

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Joffray:

dschinges: hmmm.... it's under capture cards

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Joffray:

I believe

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juski:

dschinges: normally it's disabled by default but it's on the advanced tab in the capture card setup area

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dschinges:

oh.. by the way: im running mythtv from debian-multimedia (sid)

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stuarta:

cheers juski.

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juski:

and btw dschinges did you happen to test the tuner card with the dvb-utils first just to be sure it worky outside of mythtv? ;)

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dschinges:

i am able to use scan and to record a stream via cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 > foo.mpeg on a second console

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juski:

dschinges: cool.

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juski:

now in mythtv-setup you did set the card type to be dvb didn't you? ;)

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dschinges:

okay... i can't see any tabs in the capture card setup in mythtv-setup. what am i doing wrong?

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juski:

not a tab but a button.. my bad

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dschinges:

its displayed as dvb-c / frontend: Philips TDA10021 DVB-C card (card-type DVB DTV capture card)

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dschinges:

the buttons i've got there are diseqc and recording options (and cancel, back, finish of course)

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juski:

all good so far

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juski:

I dunno how well dvb-c scanning works in mythtv 0.20 – we don't get many users of dvb-c in here AFAIK

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dschinges:

okay. ive found the setting, its under 'recording ooptions'. it doesn't change anything and is disabled by default.

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dschinges:

wait a second... maybe i've found something...

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dschinges:

okay. it seems i've missed something with the video-source.

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dschinges:

it's scanning now.

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dschinges:

just for the record: if you miss to add a video-source provider, each try to scan for channels fails seems to fail with 'failed to open the card'.

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dschinges:

quite missleading :)

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juski:

yeah that'd do it

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juski:

ugh I forgot how shitty ebay's description editing is

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seth|laptop:

ebay?

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juski:

easiest way to do it without going daft with oscommerce or something

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seth|laptop:

for the badges

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juski:

hmmm mmm

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seth|laptop:

how many do you have made up?

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juski:

I had 40 made. offloaded 15 or so at the expo

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juski:

it was enough to buy the guys one round of drinks (ish)

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juski:

at the prices I've got em at I'm not even making enough to cover my time but hey. I need shot of em

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seth|laptop:

so rasie the price

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seth|laptop:

raise even

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juski:

let's see how these go eh

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fysa:

what is it?

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fysa:

link?

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juski:

fucking hell! someone's only selling mythtv CDs on ebay!

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juski:

$5.00

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seth|laptop:

"Please enter a valid shipping and handling charge"

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juski:

seth|laptop: huh?

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seth|laptop:

shipping doesn't populate

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juski:

seth|laptop: I'll sort it out, don't worry

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seth|laptop:

well all I have to do is enter it manually, you have it listed

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juski:

sorted it... bloody crap site

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juski:

anyway fysa.. I had some pc case badges made up. I'm not plugging em in here

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seth|laptop:

there, 3 down

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juski:

woo I've recorded 'Microcosmos'

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juski:

cheers, seth|laptop :)

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seth|laptop:

I'll check later, to see if you hvae any left, before I get the other 2

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juski:

haha

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juski:

time to watch some mythtv I think

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** seth|laptop doesn't want to short change anyone, hehe **

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juski:

ah bugger. someone else is watching mythtv

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stuarta:

east enders?

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juski:

no, just for a change. Runaways

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juski:

I wanted to catch up on 'spooks' :)

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juski:

actually I should try to get my freeview radio channels added while I have the chance

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stuarta:

no spare frontend??

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juski:

not in front of a really comfy chair, no ;)

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juski:

ahh feck I'd need to stop the backend. bum!

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** seth|laptop just checked ups website, harmony 880 remote, has been confirmed delivered **

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seth|laptop:

woohoo

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kash:

is anyone using a saa7134 card

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juski:

I wanna remote as versatile as a full colour pronto but with a better display & something with really good battery life

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seth|laptop:

who make that remote?

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seth|laptop:

makes

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juski:

nobody

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seth|laptop:

oh

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seth|laptop:

i meant the colour pronto

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seth|laptop:

philips, forgot to drop the "U"

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seth|laptop:

wholly crap, cost more than my first car

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seth|laptop:

hehe

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scopeuk:

seth|laptop some hdds costs more than my first care

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scopeuk:

and were nto talkign huge ones

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seth|laptop:

hehe

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scopeuk:

500 gigrange

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seth|laptop:

it looks like my wife's pda

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scopeuk:

and one see nthe bluetooth phone control app for myth?

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mkrufky:

i had a brain fart... i forgot the name of the technology that DVB uses to get scheduling data updates... what was that called again? ... not PMT... somehting else

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kash:

i use my cell as a remote

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kash:

:p

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scopeuk:

mkrufky eit?

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mkrufky:

hehe yes, EIT

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mkrufky:

thanks scopeuk

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seth|laptop:

tried his zaurus 5500 as a remote, but the range was worse than my mce remote

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scopeuk:

use wifi?

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** stuarta didn't type EIT fast enough :) **

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mkrufky:

:-)

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seth|laptop:

ir

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scopeuk:

ir is always shocking

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kash:

no

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kash:

bluetooth

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sigger:

juski: well if someone wrote a "mythfrontend controller" (using expanded telnet controls) for the Nokia 770 you'd be hooked pretty solid

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scopeuk:

770 is a sweet little device

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** kash uses moto razr **

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sigger:

from what I read, the telnet control stuff got written or expanded tail end of last year, but I don't think there's enough there to make a 770 client prog like a Crestron/AMX

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kash:

2006-11–08 15:53:03.066 NVR: Only read -1 bytes of 4096 bytes from '/dev/dsp1

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kash:

read audio: Input/output error

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kash:

i guess that's why i don't get sound :(

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seth|laptop:

well catch you all later, home time

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dschinges:

finally, it works! great! thanks for your support, guys.

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kash:

yeah right, support

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kash:

no one ever even reads my questions, i think

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kash:

..

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juski:

kash: so far the only question you've asked is if anyone uses saa7134

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juski:

nobody responded, which probably means that nobody here does

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kash:

i can't get sound, either

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kash:

i asked like 8 times yesterday and no one even acknowledged it

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juski:

well, why not describe the problems you're having in more detail?

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juski:

"help! not working!" isn't much to go on ;)

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kash:

well, i've set the capture card's DSP device as it's input device, and it gives an error like thi

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kash:

s

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kash:

root@rama:/home/kash# ls -al /dev/2006-11–08 15:58:38.522 NVR: Only read -1 bytes of 4096 bytes from '/dev/dsp1

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juski:

is /dev/dsp1 definitely the audio device of the tuner card?

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kash:

yes

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juski:

can you capture audio with it normally, i.e. outside of mythtv?

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mkrufky:

kash: is is actually a saa7134 ?? ...or is it a saa7130

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kash:

hm.. i dunno

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kash:

it's saa7130

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mkrufky:

saa7130 does not provide dma audio

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mkrufky:

problem solved!

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kash:

oh :(

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mkrufky:

sorry, guy

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kash:

how do i set up to use the mic input?

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kash:

or can't i

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juski:

time to dig out a 3.5mm (1/8") minijack lead

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juski:

best to use a line or CD input

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mkrufky:

you need to run an internal aux connector from the capture board to your sound board

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juski:

audio from tuners is too 'hot' for a mic input

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kash:

?

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kash:

what do you mean?

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juski:

too loud

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kash:

i mean line-in, not mic

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mkrufky:

... or use a miniplug like juski says ... .but i prefer the internal aux connector

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juski:

it'll distort & sound shite

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kash:

i've got a patch cable going from my tuner to the line-in jack but it's not in sync when i watch TV

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mkrufky:

juski: instead of mic, it should go to line-in

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juski:

if not distorted, very hissy. either way, pretty crappy compared to using an aux, line-in or CD input

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juski:

mkrufky: I know.. I pointed that out ;)

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kash:

hm, wonder if i have a cda patch wire

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mkrufky:

it isnt in sync, because mythtv is delayed slightly

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kash:

brb

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juski:

kash: in that case you should see the troubleshooting section of the mythtv docs

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kash:

yeah but how do i make it in sync

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mkrufky:

you have to mute the audio on that line, set it only for recording, then tell mythtv to pull audio from that line

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juski:

it tells you how to set the mixer up properly

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** mkrufky shuts up now :-) **

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juski:

time for bed. these days are just too damn short!

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juski:

g'night all

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mkrufky:

nite, juski

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** stuarta waves **

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Dibblah:

Never, ever start hacking 'useless' devices :(

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Dibblah:

The E3 is a time-sink :(

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stuarta:

E3 being?

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kash:

do i set the audio input to my sound card then?

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Dibblah:

http://www.earth.li/~noodles/hardware-e3.html

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Dibblah:

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Dibblah:

Very literally – I'm taking money from the poor Mr Sugar. Oh, my concience.

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mirak:

Missing argument to -v/--verbose option I got this error when running a built mythtv from svn

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kash:

use -v all

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mkrufky:

Dibblah: what do you plan to use that for?

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mirak:

kash: problem is that I don't use that option

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Dibblah:

MP3 player / photoframe.

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mkrufky:

interesting

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mkrufky:

you should look at asterisk ... it would be more fun to use that as an internet phone, IMHO

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Dibblah:

It's only got a 12bpp screen, which is annoying, however.

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Dibblah:

I have Asterisk – And don't have a good FXO :(

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kash:

man

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kash:

i can't get sound working

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mirak:

kash: I don't have this problem when running directly mythbackend by not using init script

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mirak:

karbas: can I get the init script for svn or it only per distribution ?

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mkrufky:

ok, im out... bye guys

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xzcvczx:

is there a way/patch to hide folder.jpg's in the folders list ( if folder called hello make it so folder.jpg is displayed as the picture but hello/folder.jpg is not in the list)?

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scopeuk:

hmm interesting

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scopeuk:

aprreantly nvidia have released a c+ compiler that is optimised for doign proccessign o nthe gpu

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scopeuk:

made sorry

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scopeuk:

havent released it as such

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levander:

What's the best site to compare the various WinTV cards? Hauppage's site sux.

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D-side:

do you want hd?

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levander:

D-side: not now, but may "grow" into that in the next year or so

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D-side:

if you don't want hd, get a pvr-150 or 500 i guess.

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levander:

D-side: what do i get if i want hd?

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mirak:

-v or --verbose debug-level Use '-v help' for level info

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mirak:

there is a problem with ubuntu init script, because it adds --verbose at the end of the daemon command

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mirak:

and mythtv needs a loglevel, so it fails

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mirak:

ok I found the problem

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zerotrace:

I've got a small problem with my myth backend... The mythbackend process sits at 100% CPU after recording any show, even if it is not commercial flagging. It stays at 100% until I restart the backend process. Once I've restarted the process, it sits idle until a recording starts again. I started seeing this problem after upgrading from 0.19 to 0.20

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jamincollins:

Anyone know the specific table(s) that mythweb pulls the upcoming recording information from? My mythweb installation swears that a show for 10/23 is an upcoming recording still... and yes, the server time is correct

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D-side:

levander: i'm not sure man. i dont have hd either. :D

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zerotrace:

levander: I have HD, what's the problem?

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D-side:

i just scrolled up. Dibblah, you don't need a GOOD fxo card.

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D-side:

you can get a cheapass one for about $20 i bet

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mirak:

Database error was:

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mirak:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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mirak:

so the SVN version have password acces enabled on database or something ?

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stuarta:

it's no different to any other version in that regard.

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mirak:

I just replaced my ubuntu devs

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mirak:

debs against a make install from svn

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mirak:

stuarta: any idea how to fix that ?

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stuarta:

you obviously have a password missmatch between what's in mysql and mysql.txt

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mirak:

ok but there wasn't before

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mirak:

I didn't changed in theory

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jamincollins:

As I recall the deb packages randomly generate a password for mysql.txt

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stuarta:

that's normally for the root users though

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mirak:

I tried the old one

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jamincollins:

stuarta: not in my experience.... all new mythtv installations have a randomly generated mythtv db user password...

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mirak:

ok the one in mythtv folder seems to not be the good one

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mirak:

this one seems to have been reseted

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stuarta:

it changes an already setup password? the umbongo package needs a slap

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jamincollins:

stuarta: I don't disagree... just relating my experience

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mirak:

it worked

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stuarta:

that's what this channel is for :)

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mirak:

thanks

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jamincollins:

per Debian policy it would be a rather serious bug if the packages were official Debian packages...

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stuarta:

indeed. i'd file a bug report about it.

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stuarta:

(in the umbongo bugtracker)

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jamincollins:

anyone know how mythweb gets it's list of upcoming recordings? Does it query the DB for them or does it make an inquiry of the mythbackend process?

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stuarta:

talks to the backend

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stuarta:

well for the status part at least

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levander:

zerotrace: you still there?

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levander:

zerotrace: I'm just trying to figure out how capable MythTV is of capturing HDTV from a cable box. What the hardware requirements are.

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jamincollins:

hmmm.... so, if mythweb is showing an upcoming recording for a past date, it's the backend that passing on the invalid information, right? and a restart of the backend should fix it

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stuarta:

in the upcoming recordings screen?

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jamincollins:

yes

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zerotrace:

levander: As far as I know, you need a cable box with Firewire output, the changelog for 0.20 mentioned a few model numbers of cable boxes known to work

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stuarta:

check your frontend as well

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jamincollins:

claims an upcoming recording for 10/23

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jamincollins:

a normal frontend doesn't show it, just mythweb

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levander:

I'm on the wiki where it says encoding HDTV is easy, if you can get at the raw MPEG-2 stream inside the stream. But, it's not clear if the cable box will send the myth box the raw stream or what.

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zerotrace:

levander: Your other option is an IR blaster and some form of HD input for your myth box

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stuarta:

i think that part is done with db queries.

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levander:

zerotrace: What is your HDTV setup?

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zerotrace:

levander: I haven't tried using a cable box, but I can't imagine it would send you anything other than MPEG2

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zerotrace:

I use a pcHDTV HD-5500 card with a small UHF antenna

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jamincollins:

restarting the backend flushed it

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stuarta:

weirdness

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zerotrace:

I've also got a PVR-150 for analog channels off the cable system

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