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| [00:12:43] | wreckage: | when setting the underscan levels under the settings in "playback" does it effect live tv, or just the recordings |
| [00:13:59] | wreckage: | cause i'm thinking that my underscan isn't working correctly since i've got it at -40 and not seeing a difference |
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| [00:26:30] | SlicerDicer-: | xris: do you have a moment? |
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| [00:26:45] | SlicerDicer-: | xris: if you do I have a question about something to do with firewire that you might be able to help with |
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| [00:28:42] | scott_: | don't help slicerdicer, I believe he has showtime and hbo over HD, it's not fair |
| [00:28:57] | scott_: | over FIREWIRE I meant |
| [00:30:05] | SlicerDicer-: | scott_: no longer |
| [00:30:11] | SlicerDicer-: | I moved and there is 5C |
| [00:30:20] | scott_: | ohhhh biggest mistake of your life was moving |
| [00:30:28] | SlicerDicer-: | however that does not mean I am incapable of helping people still |
| [00:30:40] | SlicerDicer-: | scott_: I still get one movie channel in HD however |
| [00:31:10] | scott_: | :) |
| [00:31:22] | SlicerDicer-: | my problem is that the cable provider here uses a weird cablebox and the external firewire changer in contrib does not work with it |
| [00:31:26] | SlicerDicer-: | I need to figure out how to make it work |
| [00:32:31] | scott_: | what model cable box? |
| [00:33:12] | wreckage: | why watching videos through myth, I get no sound, can anyone think of why? |
| [00:37:01] | cesman: | perhaps the users isn't a member of the audio group? |
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| [00:37:04] | r3z: | Does myth automatically record while your watching something in case you want to rewind? |
| [00:37:41] | wreckage: | r3z: yes |
| [00:37:47] | r3z: | Cool |
| [00:37:54] | wreckage: | cesman: how would one check that |
| [00:38:17] | r3z: | I am getting a new celeronD 2.4ghz 512mb ram Geforce vid card ofr output and a Hauppage pvr-500 |
| [00:38:22] | wreckage: | but the audio works fine in mythtv, just not when trying to play a divx video through the video section |
| [00:38:28] | r3z: | With that rig I should be able to record 2 at a time correct? |
| [00:38:45] | wreckage: | r3z: yeah, as far as I know the 500 operates as 2 150's |
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| [00:38:52] | r3z: | Cool |
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| [00:40:25] | r3z: | Anyone have problems getting SATA working on knoppmyth? |
| [00:40:38] | r3z: | I will have some IDE drives too but I will have atleast one SATA drive |
| [00:41:23] | r3z: | I will have 3 250gb IDE drives and 1 250GB SATA drive |
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| [00:42:52] | wreckage: | that's a lot of space |
| [00:43:01] | r3z: | ;) |
| [00:43:09] | r3z: | Not only videos will be stored on here |
| [00:43:09] | cesman: | grep youruser /etc/group |
| [00:43:20] | r3z: | Music and also fileserver |
| [00:45:27] | wreckage: | cesman: it would appear that no one is part of an audio group |
| [00:45:54] | wreckage: | bah, dinner, i'll deal with this later |
| [00:45:55] | wreckage: | =] |
| [00:45:58] | r3z: | ;) |
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| [00:59:39] | SlicerDicer-: | scott_: sorry the DCT6416 |
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| [01:23:50] | D-side: | hello boys. |
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| [01:28:31] | quink: | evening |
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| [01:46:47] | rokstar: | hey anyone here know why the frontend would complain that the backend isn't working even if it is, after running the mythtv-setup? |
| [01:47:23] | Slack4020: | hmmmmmm |
| [01:47:46] | fryfrog: | maybe you didn't start the backend? |
| [01:48:01] | rokstar: | no I restarted it |
| [01:48:22] | fryfrog: | is your frontend pointed to the right mysql server? |
| [01:48:34] | fryfrog: | is the frontend configured to connect to the right ip? |
| [01:48:37] | rokstar: | yeah it works fine before mythtv-setup is run |
| [01:48:49] | fryfrog: | is this a same box fe/be? |
| [01:48:53] | rokstar: | yeah |
| [01:48:59] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [01:49:02] | fryfrog: | what does the log say? |
| [01:49:06] | rokstar: | restarting it is the only thing that seems to fix it |
| [01:49:12] | rokstar: | which log file? |
| [01:49:18] | fryfrog: | mythbackend.log |
| [01:49:25] | fryfrog: | you can start the fe with "-v important |
| [01:49:35] | fryfrog: | and throw a -l /path/to/log if you want |
| [01:49:45] | fryfrog: | you can use -v help to see all the "verbose" options |
| [01:50:53] | rokstar: | I think I restarted the computer since the problem occured so I think the log was wipped |
| [01:51:11] | fryfrog: | it appends, not wipes |
| [01:51:29] | rokstar: | well it doesn't seem to have anything relevent |
| [01:51:40] | fryfrog: | well, next time it does it check log files |
| [01:51:47] | rokstar: | will do |
| [01:51:49] | fryfrog: | you have to give "-v" a useful log information |
| [01:51:54] | fryfrog: | "important" is probably good enough |
| [01:52:02] | rokstar: | sounds good |
| [01:52:23] | rokstar: | thanks for the info |
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| [01:54:37] | Slack4020: | do i need my cable box with mythtv? |
| [01:54:45] | xris: | Slack4020: depends on what you want to record. |
| [01:54:49] | Slack4020: | ? |
| [01:54:52] | Slack4020: | cable :) |
| [01:54:53] | xris: | HD/digital |
| [01:54:56] | Slack4020: | yes |
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| [01:54:59] | xris: | then yes. |
| [01:55:02] | Slack4020: | hmmmmmm |
| [01:55:07] | xris: | are you in the uS? |
| [01:55:09] | Slack4020: | yes |
| [01:55:13] | xris: | with an HD box? |
| [01:55:17] | Slack4020: | yep |
| [01:55:23] | xris: | should have a firewire port on it. |
| [01:55:29] | Slack4020: | it does |
| [01:55:29] | xris: | that's the easy way |
| [01:55:40] | Slack4020: | easy way of doing ? |
| [01:55:46] | xris: | recording/everything |
| [01:55:56] | Slack4020: | so i dont need no tv capture card? |
| [01:55:57] | fryfrog: | i wouldn't call it the *easiest* way, but if you have it you should use it first |
| [01:56:02] | xris: | not with firewire, no |
| [01:56:06] | fryfrog: | Slack4020: *if* it turns out to work, nope |
| [01:56:08] | Slack4020: | how about usb ? |
| [01:56:17] | fryfrog: | how about it? |
| [01:56:17] | xris: | Slack4020: nope. not for video |
| [01:56:21] | Slack4020: | ahh |
| [01:56:25] | Slack4020: | it has firewire ;) |
| [01:56:33] | Slack4020: | just wondering what the usb was for |
| [01:56:39] | xris: | something internal. |
| [01:56:49] | xris: | firewire is mandated by the FCC, though, so most providers have it now. |
| [01:57:04] | xris: | which channels you get is another question, since they're only required to provide broadcast channels. |
| [01:57:04] | Slack4020: | hmmmm i seee |
| [01:57:05] | fryfrog: | when you start trying it, be sure to test p2p *and* broadcast mode, and use the one that works best |
| [01:57:23] | fryfrog: | I have a DCT6412 and broadcast mode is *far* better than p2p |
| [01:57:36] | Slack4020: | what you mean by better? |
| [01:57:37] | xris: | fryfrog: how better? digital is digital, no? |
| [01:58:02] | fryfrog: | xris: p2p and broadcast are two methods of accessing the data over firewire |
| [01:58:06] | fryfrog: | xris: or something :) |
| [01:58:23] | Slack4020: | i kinda want to buy something like a tivo or something |
| [01:58:25] | fryfrog: | xris: on my DCT6412, using p2p it would fail to get a signal about 75% of the time |
| [01:58:29] | xris: | fryfrog: yeah, I got that. I'm just wondering how one would be better. I thought it was more a matter of "it works" or not. |
| [01:58:33] | D-side: | one of these days i'll stop being a lazy bastard and try firewire. |
| [01:58:39] | D-side: | afk. Heroes. :D |
| [01:58:45] | fryfrog: | xris: when i switched to broadcast, it works 98% and a little script catches the other 2% |
| [01:58:53] | fryfrog: | xris: oh, right |
| [01:58:54] | xris: | Slack4020: well, afaik, mythtv is the only software package out at the moment that does the firewire stuff properly |
| [01:59:08] | xris: | still not quite ready for the technically faint of heart, though |
| [01:59:16] | Slack4020: | i seee |
| [01:59:16] | fryfrog: | xris: p2p "worked" but badly. i just always thought broadcast was "worse" than p2p, so never tried it |
| [01:59:27] | xris: | fryfrog: lots of goodness for that stuff in svn, too. like "turn on the box if it's off" |
| [01:59:29] | fryfrog: | but when i finally tried broadcast, it was better |
| [01:59:31] | Slack4020: | when i want to save something to the computer |
| [01:59:39] | Slack4020: | mpeg4 or mpeg2? |
| [01:59:39] | fryfrog: | neat, gentoo just updated :) |
| [01:59:44] | xris: | Slack4020: and cut commercials. |
| [01:59:47] | fryfrog: | mpeg2 from the firewire cable box |
| [01:59:49] | xris: | Slack4020: all digital cable is mpeg2 |
| [01:59:53] | Slack4020: | ah |
| [02:00:00] | fryfrog: | but it varies greatly in size |
| [02:00:01] | Slack4020: | so is that what it saves it as ? |
| [02:00:04] | xris: | you can transcode to whatever you want later. |
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| [02:00:19] | Slack4020: | loose quality :( |
| [02:00:22] | fryfrog: | HD comes in at ~6G / hr, but an hour of SD might only be 1G |
| [02:00:31] | xris: | Slack4020: yeah. it just saves the raw stream. you can then cut out the commercials (lossless) or whatever later |
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| [02:00:33] | Slack4020: | SD? |
| [02:00:39] | xris: | standard def |
| [02:00:40] | fryfrog: | Slack4020: nah, if you set it up right you won't lose hardly any quality when you transcode. Just lose some file size |
| [02:00:51] | Slack4020: | hmmmm |
| [02:00:58] | fryfrog: | i don't bother transcoding myself |
| [02:00:58] | Slack4020: | 6GB an hour ? |
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| [02:01:03] | fryfrog: | i just delete shows when i watch them |
| [02:01:12] | xris: | fryfrog: HD is 6–9.6G/hour depending on format. SD floats around 900–1400M for me. |
| [02:01:16] | fryfrog: | Slack4020: 6–7GB for an *HD* show |
| [02:01:26] | Slack4020: | damn shit |
| [02:01:28] | fryfrog: | yeah, there ya go |
| [02:01:35] | Slack4020: | dvd is not even HD is it ? |
| [02:01:39] | xris: | no |
| [02:01:48] | Slack4020: | does dvd fo 720p ? |
| [02:01:49] | xris: | dvd is 480p at most, which is the max SD res |
| [02:01:58] | fryfrog: | It varies a lot, but HD is 6G/hr or more, SD is *usually* around 1G/hr |
| [02:02:09] | Slack4020: | hmmmmmm |
| [02:02:11] | Slack4020: | well |
| [02:02:15] | fryfrog: | just gotta have a lot of space :) |
| [02:02:20] | fryfrog: | Tivo/etc is the same way |
| [02:02:26] | Slack4020: | how to networks get their hands on movies that are 720p ? |
| [02:02:34] | fryfrog: | a "100hr" sd tivo holds like 20 hrs of HD or so? |
| [02:02:41] | sigger_: | is there a place to suggest a non-trivial idea to the myth dev folk (that I personally don't have the C++/QT skill to implement)? |
| [02:02:46] | fysa: | 1ghz enough for capturing HD TS streams? |
| [02:02:47] | GreyFoxx: | Slack4020: encrypted sat broadcasts mostly |
| [02:02:53] | Slack4020: | huh? |
| [02:02:59] | fryfrog: | fysa: capturing takes little cpu, its *displaying* that is hard |
| [02:03:05] | sigger_: | I think I recall something on the wiki, but not sure |
| [02:03:17] | Slack4020: | can divx display HD ? |
| [02:03:17] | fryfrog: | sigger_: how about the bug / feature svn thing? |
| [02:03:19] | fryfrog: | trak? |
| [02:03:23] | xris: | fysa: capturing, sure.. but not playback |
| [02:03:36] | GreyFoxx: | Slackwa: It's how most cable companies and stations get the HD programming they broadcast |
| [02:03:36] | fryfrog: | Slack4020: anything can be anything |
| [02:03:40] | Slack4020: | should i say can mpeg4 display HD |
| [02:03:42] | sigger_: | fryfrog: thanks, will poke around there |
| [02:03:43] | Slack4020: | ? |
| [02:03:49] | fryfrog: | mpeg2 can be HD or SD, mpeg4 can be HD or SD |
| [02:03:55] | Slack4020: | i thought dvd cant display hs |
| [02:04:00] | Slack4020: | hd |
| [02:04:01] | fryfrog: | HD just means it has a resolution of say, 1280x720 |
| [02:04:08] | xris: | Slack4020: dvd is by definition not hd. |
| [02:04:18] | GreyFoxx: | a NTSC dvd is max 720x480 |
| [02:04:23] | Slack4020: | but could i put something HD on a dvd ? |
| [02:04:24] | fryfrog: | DVD is *defined* as 720x480 |
| [02:04:28] | fryfrog: | sure |
| [02:04:39] | fryfrog: | instead of 2–4 hours of "dvd" you would get say, 30min – 1hr of HD |
| [02:04:40] | Slack4020: | so on my lcd television |
| [02:04:41] | GreyFoxx: | Slack4020: AS a datafile yes, but it wont be a "DVD video" |
| [02:04:44] | xris: | Slack4020: not a video dvd, no.. unless you resize the stream |
| [02:04:46] | fryfrog: | I dunno if a DVD *player* would play it |
| [02:04:57] | xris: | fryfrog: it wouldn't |
| [02:05:00] | Slack4020: | could divx play it ? |
| [02:05:12] | Slack4020: | my player is dvd/xvid/divx enabled |
| [02:05:15] | fryfrog: | divx is another video format |
| [02:05:16] | xris: | Slack4020: divx is a video codec, it can't play anything |
| [02:05:24] | Slack4020: | mpeg4 should i say |
| [02:05:26] | GreyFoxx: | Slack4020: only if you scale it to normal resolutions |
| [02:05:32] | xris: | Slack4020: I doubt your player has enough oomph to play back HD stuff |
| [02:05:32] | Slack4020: | ? |
| [02:05:35] | GreyFoxx: | Or if your particular player with do it |
| [02:05:38] | Slack4020: | hmmmmmm |
| [02:05:39] | fryfrog: | you *could* transcode the HD mpeg2 -> divx, burn to a disk and *that* would probably play from a divx/dvd player |
| [02:05:59] | Slack4020: | without loss of much quality / noticeable ? |
| [02:06:11] | fryfrog: | or do those divx players expect the "divx" file to be in dvd type formats? |
| [02:06:19] | fryfrog: | or at least, not some huge 1280x720 |
| [02:06:28] | Slack4020: | i dont think so |
| [02:06:33] | fryfrog: | course, all that is silly *because* a dvd player will only really *output* 480p |
| [02:06:34] | GreyFoxx: | theyjust play avi/mp4 files |
| [02:06:34] | Slack4020: | i put everything on it |
| [02:06:47] | Slack4020: | hmmmmmm |
| [02:07:00] | fryfrog: | might be something to try, i've no idea personally |
| [02:07:26] | xris: | Slack4020: you have to understand that HD is *so* much nicer than SD, that transcoding wouldn't cause much quality loss as far as pixelation goes.. |
| [02:08:08] | fysa: | I've been capturing and playing on the same box, with my myth store over the network |
| [02:08:20] | fryfrog: | fysa: awsome :) |
| [02:08:35] | xris: | fysa: and now you want to upgrade to hd? |
| [02:08:37] | fysa: | capturing HD while playing HD is causing some issues though, maybe network saturation.. |
| [02:08:47] | fryfrog: | fysa: I have a slave be/fe that captures 2x firewire HD streams over network |
| [02:08:52] | fysa: | I'm going to move my capture cards/mythbackend to the RAID server maybe. |
| [02:08:53] | fryfrog: | fysa: 100mbit or? |
| [02:09:04] | fysa: | 1000mbit, but no real jumbo support.. |
| [02:09:09] | fysa: | and the cards may not be so hot. |
| [02:09:15] | fryfrog: | HD is ~19mbit/sec |
| [02:09:23] | GreyFoxx: | at most |
| [02:09:25] | fryfrog: | which is what, about 2mb/sec? |
| [02:09:30] | ** xris wonders how fysa can play HD on a 1ghz box. ** | |
| [02:09:37] | fysa: | no, that's my RAID server :) |
| [02:09:46] | fryfrog: | cpu on fe? |
| [02:09:49] | fysa: | my front-end is an Athlon 64 3200. |
| [02:09:56] | Slack4020: | well i want to capture some disney cartoons |
| [02:10:07] | Slack4020: | from toon disney |
| [02:10:08] | fryfrog: | I am pretty sure I can capture 2x HD streams over firewire and watch a 3rd, all over 1000mbit with no jumbo frames too |
| [02:10:18] | fysa: | but mplayer watching HD is skipping while Fusion is recording. |
| [02:10:19] | fryfrog: | Slack4020: firewire from your cable box |
| [02:10:21] | Slack4020: | but i dont want to looose any quality i want it to be the same quality they broadbast it at |
| [02:10:30] | fryfrog: | Slack4020: firewire from your cable box |
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| [02:10:46] | fryfrog: | fysa: what do myth's logs say (fe and be)? |
| [02:11:03] | fryfrog: | fysa: and what about top / cpu usage? Is your mythfrontend chmod +s? |
| [02:11:22] | fysa: | well, fe and be are the same machine right now. The machine that I will make the back-end (if it can handle it), is just a RAID server right now.. |
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| [02:11:47] | fysa: | and I cifs mount the RAID as my Myth store. :P |
| [02:11:49] | fryfrog: | fysa: is your server exporting via NFS or SMB? |
| [02:11:58] | fryfrog: | fysa: is the server winblows or linux? |
| [02:12:01] | fysa: | Linux.. |
| [02:12:04] | fryfrog: | why SMB? |
| [02:12:06] | fryfrog: | NFS ftw |
| [02:12:11] | GreyFoxx: | fysa: Just for sh*ts n giggles, try nfs |
| [02:12:12] | Slack4020: | do most new cable boxes have firewire only my hd box has firewire but my older one does not |
| [02:12:14] | fryfrog: | and what kind of write speeds do you get with dd? |
| [02:12:26] | fryfrog: | Slack4020: depends on your cable co |
| [02:12:26] | GreyFoxx: | smb takes a lot more CPU on the hostname than NFS does |
| [02:12:30] | Zider: | fryfrog: I got the same weird problems with NFS that I had with SMB btw |
| [02:12:31] | fysa: | cifs has been quicker than me with low ttl settings |
| [02:12:39] | fysa: | NFS is less CPU intensive? |
| [02:12:40] | fryfrog: | Slack4020: in my area, comcast only has firewire ports on their HD boxes (DVR and Tuner) |
| [02:12:42] | fysa: | I'll try it. |
| [02:12:51] | fryfrog: | Zider: I don't remember? |
| [02:12:56] | fryfrog: | Zider: what was the issue? |
| [02:12:58] | Slack4020: | fryfrog: yes same here |
| [02:13:02] | fryfrog: | fysa: there are some good tweaks for nfs |
| [02:13:04] | Slack4020: | but how about regualr cable boxes |
| [02:13:14] | fysa: | I'm thinking that the HD capture to the cifs share is having to make an extra trip.. |
| [02:13:16] | Slack4020: | do those now come with firewaire |
| [02:13:37] | fryfrog: | /mnt/raid5 10.0.1.1/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async,no_subtree_check) <-- /etc/exports |
| [02:13:39] | Zider: | fryfrog: playing avi files spits out errors sometimes, and image is lagging like hell |
| [02:13:53] | Slack4020: | will there be any quality difference in uisng firewire / over a tv tuner card |
| [02:13:55] | fysa: | going to the RAID once to store, then out to the backend again to commflag? and to the RAID again to store again? |
| [02:13:56] | fryfrog: | 10.0.1.2:/mnt/raid5/mythtv/recordings /mnt/raid5/mythtv/recordings nfs soft,intr,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,async,nfsvers=3,bg,actimeo=0,tcp <-- example from /etc/fstab |
| [02:14:10] | fysa: | anyway, I'll try moving the cards tomorrow if work is slow. |
| [02:14:15] | fryfrog: | Slack4020: 21:12 < fryfrog> Slack4020: in my area, comcast only has firewire ports on their HD boxes (DVR and Tuner) |
| [02:14:27] | Slack4020: | ahh |
| [02:14:27] | fysa: | fusion HD and a MCE 500, so neither should be too CPU intensive |
| [02:14:46] | Slack4020: | hmmmmm |
| [02:14:56] | Slack4020: | is it better ot use firewire or tv card? |
| [02:14:59] | fryfrog: | Slack4020: It depends. Firewire will be better than analog capture of SD channels. Of HD channels (the ones you'll get that are FTA) it will be the same |
| [02:15:02] | Slack4020: | any quality difference |
| [02:15:16] | fryfrog: | Slack4020: I have 2x air2pc HD tuner cards and 2x firewire STBs |
| [02:15:25] | fryfrog: | Slack4020: my HD tuner cards get 6 HD channels |
| [02:15:29] | Zider: | Slack4020: it's digital. exactly the same. :P |
| [02:15:34] | fryfrog: | the firewire stb's get something like 300+ |
| [02:15:45] | fryfrog: | Zider: that isn't totally true |
| [02:15:49] | Slack4020: | i dont really care about the HD stuff to much |
| [02:16:00] | fryfrog: | Zider: if he goes for an analog SD card like the PVRX50, it'll be worse |
| [02:16:03] | Zider: | fryfrog: the streams aren't the same? |
| [02:16:11] | fryfrog: | Zider: yes and no |
| [02:16:17] | Zider: | fryfrog: ah, analog yes.. I assumed he meant a digital card :P |
| [02:16:26] | Slack4020: | whats cheaper for this room getting a DVR from the cable company or buying a hd card ;) |
| [02:16:35] | fryfrog: | Zider: right, and there is *no* "digital" cable cards |
| [02:16:48] | fysa: | DVR from the cable company will be cheaper probably. :P |
| [02:16:48] | Zider: | fryfrog: dvb-c? |
| [02:16:50] | fryfrog: | Slack4020: MythTV requires an *entire* computer, so it depends |
| [02:16:57] | fysa: | but you will run out of space, and not have as many options. |
| [02:17:00] | fryfrog: | Zider: In the US? Can it do decryption? |
| [02:17:10] | Zider: | fryfrog: I dunno about the US |
| [02:17:21] | fryfrog: | Slack4020: How long will you pay the cable company $10/mo for an HD DVR? |
| [02:17:28] | fryfrog: | a year? that is only $120 |
| [02:17:33] | fryfrog: | 2 years? $240 |
| [02:17:33] | Zider: | didn't know we were country specific now :) |
| [02:17:36] | fryfrog: | 3? 4? |
| [02:17:45] | fysa: | you'd have to do it for five years to even get close to the money+time involved with myth :P |
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| [02:17:49] | fryfrog: | Zider: well, *he* is talking about cable in the US, so just for him |
| [02:17:58] | Zider: | fryfrog: ah |
| [02:18:14] | fryfrog: | Zider: and of course, *some* "digital" channels aren't encrypted |
| [02:18:25] | Slack4020: | how much does a digtial HD card cost ? |
| [02:18:27] | fryfrog: | Zider: I get the 6 HD channels unencrypted just fine |
| [02:18:42] | fryfrog: | Slack4020: The air2pc cards I got which do QAM are $120 each |
| [02:18:50] | Slack4020: | unencrypted means you dont have to use cable bix ? |
| [02:18:52] | Slack4020: | box? |
| [02:18:53] | fryfrog: | Slack4020: if you do HD OTA, you can get cards for $40 |
| [02:19:02] | Zider: | fryfrog: well, what I meant was, receiving via a DVB card compared to receiving via a box with firewire should give the same stream, right? |
| [02:19:06] | fryfrog: | and if you do SD you can go with a $40 mpeg2 card |
| [02:19:09] | kormoc: | for cable? you'll always need a cable box |
| [02:19:14] | kormoc: | afaik |
| [02:19:18] | fryfrog: | not true |
| [02:19:24] | jeffery_: | I am re-compiling the kernel .. I was wondering what is the difference between "enabling" and "compiled as module" ? |
| [02:19:27] | fryfrog: | if your card does QAM, you can get unencrypted channels |
| [02:19:40] | fryfrog: | jeffery_: thats a pretty deep linux question, not myth |
| [02:19:49] | Slack4020: | hmmmmmm |
| [02:19:51] | fryfrog: | jeffery_: try a kernel or distro channel, unless omeone answers here :) |
| [02:19:56] | fryfrog: | Slack4020: BUT |
| [02:19:58] | jeffery_: | fryfrog: I know |
| [02:20:09] | fryfrog: | Slack4020: the *only* channels I get that are worth mentioning are the 6 HD ones |
| [02:20:14] | Slack4020: | all i want is a few disney cartoons in its actual real quality........broadbast quality |
| [02:20:16] | fryfrog: | all the rest are *CRAP* channels like QVC and shit |
| [02:20:26] | Slack4020: | lol |
| [02:20:29] | Slack4020: | QVC in HD |
| [02:20:30] | Slack4020: | lol |
| [02:20:34] | fryfrog: | Slack4020: then you *have* to go with firewire *or* the cable companies DVR |
| [02:20:38] | fryfrog: | not in HD, but in digital |
| [02:20:54] | Slack4020: | hnmmmmm |
| [02:21:00] | Slack4020: | well for this room |
| [02:21:01] | fryfrog: | There are *no* addin cards that will get digital US cable that are legal |
| [02:21:07] | fryfrog: | and I don't know anything about non-legal |
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| [02:21:32] | Slack4020: | for this room its just regualr cable |
| [02:21:33] | god__: | hey, anyone alive here? |
| [02:21:42] | Slack4020: | wellll |
| [02:21:52] | quink: | sure. |
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| [02:21:54] | kormoc: | god__, you should know, given you're god... |
| [02:21:56] | Slack4020: | this is kinda stupid :D i got a 32 inch HD television |
| [02:22:04] | Slack4020: | and no hd cable in this room |
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| [02:22:19] | tez: | evening all |
| [02:22:25] | god__: | kormoc, i'm not that kind of god... :) um so I have lots of recordings scheduled but nothing in upcoming recordings |
| [02:22:43] | fryfrog: | Slack4020: myth can be a lot of work, if you set it up it makes a much better *entire* house solution |
| [02:22:48] | fryfrog: | not just a 1 room solution |
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| [02:23:00] | fryfrog: | but of course you *can* do 1 room |
| [02:23:09] | Slack4020: | theres only 2 rooms ;) |
| [02:23:12] | fysa: | I want a Linux growl server. |
| [02:23:14] | Slack4020: | with tv's |
| [02:23:15] | kormoc: | god__, did you check to make sure your grabber is working correctly? |
| [02:23:22] | kormoc: | fysa, growl? |
| [02:23:40] | fysa: | http://growl.info/screenshots.php |
| [02:23:48] | fysa: | Basically, it's network notifications. |
| [02:23:54] | fysa: | that display on your desktop.. |
| [02:23:56] | god__: | kormoc, yea, its grabbing and thre is content for today and the next 12 days |
| [02:24:06] | fysa: | slide onto the screen for a sec and disappear |
| [02:24:29] | fysa: | growl notifications of a recording being completed could be added to Myth pretty easily.. |
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| [02:25:02] | fysa: | and if we had a growl server for X11, you could have it slide onto the screen over mplayer/myth and let you know of something else that completed in the house somewhere.. |
| [02:25:05] | fryfrog: | christ, I'd get like 10 or 20 emails a day! |
| [02:25:28] | fysa: | be it a DVD burn, caller ID, email or messages from another computer elsewhere |
| [02:26:00] | kormoc: | ahh, I just rely on email if I care enough, but it's quite cool none the less |
| [02:26:02] | GreyFoxx: | fysa: mythtvosd can be used to display all that (during playback at least) |
| [02:26:09] | fysa: | http://remotegrowl.erlang.no/ |
| [02:26:14] | fysa: | there we go. |
| [02:26:41] | fysa: | oh, wait. |
| [02:26:47] | Slack4020: | how do people make caller id appear on their tv ? |
| [02:26:48] | fysa: | but mythtvosd won't go over mplayer? |
| [02:26:49] | GreyFoxx: | I already have it put my callerid info on the screen |
| [02:26:59] | GreyFoxx: | fysa: No,just myth |
| [02:26:59] | quink: | hey, quick question that i'm too lazy to research at the moment. If i 5.1 audio for mythvideo but i also want the ability to use stereo output from the tv...can i do that easily? |
| [02:27:04] | kormoc: | fysa, if you use the internal video player, it would work |
| [02:27:10] | GreyFoxx: | I only use myth and the internal mythplayer for videos and dvd;'s |
| [02:27:25] | fysa: | h264 support in internal yet? |
| [02:27:30] | Slack4020: | what is a 1995 cartoon broadcasted in ? |
| [02:27:33] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/osd/ |
| [02:27:39] | Slack4020: | stupid question |
| [02:27:43] | god__: | kormoc, yea, its grabbing and thre is content for today and the next 12 days |
| [02:27:43] | GreyFoxx: | the 2nd sceeenshot is fake callerid with it |
| [02:27:47] | kormoc: | fysa, both myth and mplayer use libavcodec, so it should be about the same level of support |
| [02:27:51] | GreyFoxx: | fysa: IT's a compile option |
| [02:27:54] | kormoc: | god__, hrm, I donno then. |
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| [02:27:57] | GreyFoxx: | I haven't useditmyself |
| [02:28:18] | fryfrog: | GreyFoxx: do you need a modem in the fe to get caller id display? |
| [02:28:37] | GreyFoxx: | fryfrog: You can use a modem. I have asterisk send the notification |
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| [02:29:08] | fysa: | I'll have to try it out. I'd like to ditch mplayer.. |
| [02:29:11] | fryfrog: | GreyFoxx: ahhh, neat asterisk! |
| [02:29:22] | fysa: | oh. I know why hadn't.. |
| [02:29:31] | fysa: | subtitles were bugged in myth player. |
| [02:29:42] | fryfrog: | GreyFoxx: Some day, when I build my own house (and comune) imma have a massive myth and asterisk system :) |
| [02:29:44] | god__: | anyone know why I would have updated listings and scheduled recordings but no upcoming recordings? |
| [02:29:45] | fryfrog: | well, not massive |
| [02:29:46] | Weezey: | I'm having some serious issues with myth of late. The load keeps skyrocketing on my backends |
| [02:29:47] | fryfrog: | just big :) |
| [02:29:48] | Slack4020: | cant kaffiene capture video streams ? |
| [02:29:56] | Zider: | fysa: for you too? |
| [02:29:58] | fysa: | it wasn't caching or buffering them properly and would cause frameskip while rendering them |
| [02:30:15] | fysa: | so on a movie with lots of subtitles, the skip made it almost unwatchable.. |
| [02:30:46] | fysa: | it would actually freeze for nearly half a second. |
| [02:31:20] | Slack4020: | *cried* |
| [02:31:44] | Slack4020: | also when a station is braodcasting something and they puit their little logo on it ........anyway to take that out .........while the stream is coming in ? |
| [02:32:03] | Slack4020: | not some bullcrap after effect like delogo or nothing like that |
| [02:32:36] | fysa: | GreyFoxx: Is MythTVOSD your project? |
| [02:32:51] | Slack4020: | or is the logo like actually right on the actual mpeg2 they are broadcasting |
| [02:32:52] | Slack4020: | hmmmmmmm |
| [02:33:35] | kormoc: | it's actually right in the stream, so you can't just not display it |
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| [02:34:00] | Kannix: | Hi all |
| [02:34:17] | GreyFoxx: | fysa: It's part of myth |
| [02:34:18] | Kannix: | I want to get my mythtv to finally show TV for me. I have everything set up but I keep getting backend error messages. See: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30497/ Any hints |
| [02:34:28] | Kannix: | All I see when I switch to TV mode is a blank screen. |
| [02:34:43] | Slack4020: | kormoc: any way to filter the stream ? |
| [02:34:45] | fysa: | oh, I see. mythtvosd can be called from the command-line.. |
| [02:34:53] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [02:34:57] | kormoc: | Slack4020, not really... you can't just peek under it |
| [02:35:05] | Slack4020: | hmmmmm |
| [02:35:07] | fysa: | so if I threw together a simple python/perl growl server, I could catch the messages and send them to myth that way. |
| [02:35:18] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [02:35:21] | Slack4020: | cause most stations add the logo like 1 minute after the show is on |
| [02:35:31] | fysa: | nice. thanks for the help. |
| [02:35:33] | Slack4020: | maybe you could see the extra or hmmm i dunno |
| [02:36:22] | kormoc: | Slack4020, you could just over-write it with what was in the first few mintes, sure, but uhh... it would look more stupid in my mind |
| [02:36:40] | Slack4020: | no i didnt mean that |
| [02:36:57] | Slack4020: | i meant maybe some how filter out the extra added logo to the stream |
| [02:37:18] | kormoc: | but to the stream, it's not extra |
| [02:37:38] | kormoc: | that's the point, it's not a layer, it's a modified change to the feed |
| [02:38:02] | kormoc: | the data for what it replaced is gone to the big /dev/null in the sky |
| [02:38:49] | Slack4020: | hmmm blah :) |
| [02:41:12] | fysa: | there is a logo-remover algorithm in ffdshow for Windows, but nothing in Linux really has the plug-in capability to implement stuff like that.. |
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| [02:42:49] | god__: | anyone know why I would have updated listings and scheduled recordings but no upcoming recordings? |
| [02:42:50] | fysa: | http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:iCsbiqD07 . . . lnk&cd=1 |
| [02:42:53] | Slack4020: | fysa: does the one in windows work ? |
| [02:42:54] | fysa: | there's an algorithm ;) |
| [02:43:14] | Slack4020: | does the thing really work |
| [02:43:21] | kormoc: | it's post process (after it's recorded), and it just guesses at the missing info |
| [02:43:28] | fysa: | http://research.graphicon.ru/video-filtering/ . . . mover-6.html |
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| [02:45:08] | Slack4020: | fysa: from your experince does it work well ? |
| [02:45:13] | Slack4020: | for like trnasparent logos |
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| [02:48:47] | rtsai: | fysa, Slack4020: the commflaggers implement the logo-detection part of this algorithm, but don't implement the 'logo-replacement' part of the algorithm. |
| [02:52:14] | Slack4020: | rtsai: is there any wya to basically take off a logo is the real question while maintaining quality underneath ? |
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| [02:58:21] | Achew22: | does anyone know how to change the program thats executed when the sleep timer engages? |
| [02:58:36] | kash: | uh-oh, mythtv segfaults. |
| [02:59:11] | kash: | [Switching to Thread 47778419678496 (LWP 29483)] |
| [02:59:11] | kash: | 0x00002b744436bba4 in QMutex::lock () from /usr/lib64/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 |
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| [03:11:05] | Kannix: | Ok, I found out why I was getting black screens: the ivtv-fb (use onboard MPEG2 decoder) module is not working. If I use built in ffmpeg etc. I do get picture and sound. However, picture quality is ... well ... questionable. |
| [03:11:56] | Kannix: | Can someone help me to get the ivtv-fb module playback work properly? |
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| [03:13:59] | quink: | can someone make ivtv find my firmware file? |
| [03:14:24] | ** kormoc puts a gun to ivtv's head. ** | |
| [03:14:30] | D-side: | haha |
| [03:14:32] | quink: | heh |
| [03:14:46] | D-side: | i don't know why that made me laugh out loud but it did. |
| [03:15:01] | kash: | hahaha |
| [03:15:08] | quink: | I had this trouble, can't remember what i did to fix it and after an unplanned reboot it's stopped working again. |
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| [03:32:04] | melug_ken: | Does anyone have a Adaptec Videoh USB AVC-2210 video converter working on FC6? |
| [03:33:16] | wreckage: | I have mythtv up and running fine with live tv and recordings, but when I play my videosI get no sound, any ideas? |
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| [03:34:53] | Slack4020: | is it best to burn dvd's at slowest possiuble rate ? |
| [03:35:56] | kormoc: | is it best to burn cd's at the slowest possiuble rate? |
| [03:38:42] | trend: | :( I recompiled em28xx module for my usb tuner.. and now I am back to square one.. no /dev/video |
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| [03:44:06] | wreckage: | should I use xine or mplayer for mythmovie |
| [03:45:04] | kormoc: | I use the internal player personally |
| [03:45:41] | wreckage: | isn't that mplayer? |
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| [03:45:48] | wreckage: | I can't seem to get sound when using mplayer |
| [03:45:54] | wreckage: | but sound everywhere else works fine |
| [03:46:06] | wreckage: | i'm trying xine now, but having trouble with video through it =] |
| [03:46:09] | kormoc: | wreckage, it's not mplayer, both myth and mplayer use libavcodec, but it's not mplayer |
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| [03:46:33] | wreckage: | oh |
| [03:47:07] | wreckage: | well what do you hvae under "player settings" |
| [03:47:16] | kormoc: | it's eather internal or Internal |
| [03:47:23] | twisty7867: | does anyone have any insight into the practical difference between FusionHDTV 5 Lite/Gold as it relates to myth? |
| [03:47:50] | Anduin: | Internal |
| [03:48:29] | wreckage: | k, i'm going to give that a whirl |
| [03:49:07] | wreckage: | hmm |
| [03:49:18] | wreckage: | no sound through this either |
| [03:49:46] | wreckage: | so why is it that mythtv can have sound everywhere else, but not when playing recordings? |
| [03:49:54] | wreckage: | it's bugging the hell out of me |
| [03:49:57] | wreckage: | err...not recordings |
| [03:49:58] | wreckage: | but videos |
| [03:50:01] | kormoc: | it's the same engine that livetv and recordings use |
| [03:50:02] | wreckage: | like divx movies |
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| [03:50:39] | wreckage: | so there's no easy answer? |
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| [03:51:22] | kormoc: | nope |
| [03:51:27] | wreckage: | that blos |
| [03:51:29] | wreckage: | blows |
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| [03:55:59] | Kannix: | Ahem, I cannot change channels. I am stuck to BBC World. I can "browse" thorugh channels, but when I press "Space" to change, it just sticks to BBC. Any hints? |
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| [04:00:55] | Doonz: | hey is someone availible to offer advice? |
| [04:01:27] | wreckage: | depends on what you need |
| [04:01:31] | kormoc: | nope, all 162 people are already offering advice to each other, please wait for a free operator. |
| [04:01:53] | Doonz: | ok |
| [04:01:57] | ** Doonz listens to lousy on hold music ** | |
| [04:02:09] | wreckage: | shit, emotes |
| [04:02:18] | Doonz: | ok heres my problem |
| [04:02:34] | Doonz: | i managed to get al my sound routed through my spdif outpu tot my receiver |
| [04:02:57] | Doonz: | now when i goto play a dvd with ac3 it pops up telling me that the audio device is busy |
| [04:03:04] | wreckage: | kormoc: do you think it's possible I don't have the audio codecs installed for the divx film I want to watch? |
| [04:03:15] | Doonz: | i just close it down and then go and open a file and it work fine |
| [04:03:30] | kormoc: | wreckage, could be, they are compile time options for mplayer/myth |
| [04:03:49] | wreckage: | i just yum'ed it |
| [04:05:03] | rtsai: | what's this stuff? |
| [04:05:06] | rtsai: | 2006-11–05 22:19:24.559 VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed |
| [04:05:08] | rtsai: | 2006-11–05 22:19:24.559 VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'NV17 Video Overlay' |
| [04:05:16] | rtsai: | mythfrontend.log won't start |
| [04:05:32] | rtsai: | er, that is in my frontend log, and my frontend won't start |
| [04:05:56] | kormoc: | that just says your videocard doesn't to XvMC via textures, and is using standard overlays |
| [04:06:05] | kormoc: | or in other words, not a error |
| [04:06:47] | rtsai: | hmm |
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| [04:15:41] | JimDS: | Just built my first Myth system this weekend. It worked great for 2 days, but now I get an NVP Timed out error whenever I try to watch live TV |
| [04:15:59] | JimDS: | Any idea what I might have done wrong? |
| [04:16:27] | hydroksyde: | erm |
| [04:16:33] | hydroksyde: | got disk space? |
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| [04:16:49] | hydroksyde: | you aren't redirecting mythbackend's output to a file, are you? |
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| [04:18:47] | JimDS: | No, no redirect. |
| [04:18:55] | JimDS: | I've got 200 GB disk space |
| [04:19:27] | PointyPumper: | is there any way os enhanceing sound? |
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| [04:20:24] | kormoc: | PointyPumper, now this time in english? |
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| [04:22:07] | wreckage: | okay, so i've installed the "essential codecs" pack for mplayer but still can't get sound through mythmovies |
| [04:22:21] | wreckage: | any ideas? |
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| [04:23:27] | JimDS: | Wreckage — what kind of movie are you trying to watch? |
| [04:23:33] | wreckage: | xvid |
| [04:23:47] | wreckage: | sound works everywhere else, but when I select the movie |
| [04:24:08] | JimDS: | What if you watch an mpg instead of xvid? |
| [04:24:12] | PointyPumper: | haha |
| [04:24:12] | PointyPumper: | sory |
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| [04:24:24] | PointyPumper: | is there any way to aply a filter to the sound? |
| [04:24:55] | wreckage: | JimDS: good question, lemmie find one |
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| [04:25:00] | kormoc: | sure. if it's a alsa filter, just set it up in your .asound, if it's not, use a sound daemond like sox or esd or arts or what not |
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| [04:25:08] | banyan: | Hey, just upgraded myth to mythtv-frontend-0.20–144.fc6.at and I don't get any text until I go to the recordings page. |
| [04:25:19] | banyan: | And no icons either. |
| [04:25:38] | PointyPumper: | thx |
| [04:26:11] | JimDS: | The other question I'd ask is about the flavor of the Xvid and how that's declared in the file. |
| [04:27:07] | twisty7867: | is anyone using a DVICO FusionHDTV card? |
| [04:27:37] | twisty7867: | or any other ATSC tuner for that matter? I'd like to get a solid recommendation from someone who owns such a card |
| [04:28:10] | cesman: | pcHDTV 3000 |
| [04:28:11] | banyan: | aid it still uses half my P4–2.5 GHz Pentium to play back via the PVR-350's TV out. That is wrooooooong. |
| [04:28:55] | nocturn: | Does anyone run seperate front/backends ? |
| [04:29:08] | cesman: | IMHO is probably the best ATSC tuner I've used or tested |
| [04:29:16] | cesman: | nocturn: yes |
| [04:29:37] | banyan: | cesman: is that the one that was specifically designed for linux? |
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| [04:29:47] | Sedorox: | I run seperate front/back |
| [04:30:36] | Leebier: | anyone know much about the interactions between lirc and ivtv, particularly with an IR blaster to change a STB? |
| [04:30:49] | nocturn: | How does the frontend view tv if it has no tuners cards ? Do you use NFS (or something) to export the recordings directory, and it looks there (for the live buffer) ? |
| [04:31:00] | cesman: | banyan: while the 3000 was designed for Linux, I believe windows drivers exist |
| [04:31:14] | Sedorox: | nocturn: its streamed over the network via the backend daemon |
| [04:31:16] | twisty7867: | cesman: they're not selling it at the pchdtv site anymore. is that specific model better than the current 5500? |
| [04:31:19] | kormoc: | banyan, that's why a pvr 150 + nvidia is recommended more often then not |
| [04:31:29] | cesman: | nocturn: it uses myth's protocol to stream the content |
| [04:31:46] | wreckage: | yeah if I had my life to live over again I would have done pvr 500 + nvidia |
| [04:32:08] | cesman: | twisty7867: I live about 35 miles away from where the signal is being broadcast in southern California |
| [04:32:22] | cesman: | for me, I get better reception w/ the 3000 than the 5500 |
| [04:32:24] | kormoc: | wreckage, that's what ebay is for |
| [04:32:43] | nocturn: | So as long as I've configured my front end with the backend ip and port and the mysql running on the backend, I should be able to watch tv ? |
| [04:32:47] | twisty7867: | hmm interesting. I am in Sherman Oaks actually so our reception is pretty good all around. |
| [04:32:52] | banyan: | well, this is a pretty new thing, and I've had this 350 for years. |
| [04:32:52] | wreckage: | kormoc: true |
| [04:33:08] | kormoc: | nocturn, aye, in theory, yes |
| [04:33:35] | Sedorox: | nocturn: I am as we speak |
| [04:34:03] | wreckage: | JimDS: okay, mpg works fine with sound, what does that mean ? =] |
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| [04:34:11] | twisty7867: | oof, pchdtv3000 is full height? |
| [04:34:12] | Sedorox: | I configured the backend how said.. and changed the DBHostName on the front end.. worked fine |
| [04:34:13] | banyan: | kormoc: and this 50% cpu usage is only a few weeks old. |
| [04:34:24] | siXy: | kormoc: is there anything that would prevent me from running mythbackend inside a xen guest os? |
| [04:34:25] | nocturn: | OK, I'll go back to figuring out what I may have messed up. Right now it bounces me back to the main menu as soon as I ht "Watch TV". Thanks. |
| [04:34:39] | kormoc: | banyan, strange, and this is with the pvr 350's x driver? |
| [04:34:50] | Sedorox: | nocturn: I had that for the longest time... |
| [04:34:53] | kormoc: | siXy, direct hardware access if anything |
| [04:35:06] | kormoc: | siXy, currently it's rather... crappy to map a pci card to a guest |
| [04:35:08] | banyan: | It's out the 350's tv-out. |
| [04:35:18] | Sedorox: | nocturn: on the mythtv-setup screen.. you have to put in the IP addresses... on the backend... put in the backend IP address in BOTH of the boxes |
| [04:35:18] | Leebier: | installing an IR blaster to change my STB has borked my ivtv setup, anyone have any ideas? |
| [04:35:21] | Sedorox: | soon as I did that it worked |
| [04:35:22] | kormoc: | banyan, sure, but is it via the x.org driver or the frame buffer? |
| [04:35:34] | banyan: | I am not currently running the x server. |
| [04:35:52] | kormoc: | you might want to swap over to it, it's considered the 'better' way now |
| [04:36:04] | banyan: | The MPG playback doesn't depend on either the x.org driver nor the framebuffer. |
| [04:36:39] | kormoc: | no, but if the kernel screwed up the FB driver, perhaps the xorg driver wouldn't have |
| [04:36:54] | siXy: | kormoc: i was afraid that might be the case. i assume vmware wouln't be any better? |
| [04:36:56] | banyan: | the xorg server works over the framebuffer. |
| [04:37:20] | kormoc: | siXy, indeed, vmware is even more restrictive |
| [04:37:33] | kormoc: | banyan, sure, but differnet code paths means that one might work better then the other |
| [04:38:17] | banyan: | I don't think you can use the x driver without the framebuffer. I looked into this a little bit... |
| [04:38:19] | siXy: | pity. still it should run ok on the host os, shouldnt it? |
| [04:38:36] | kormoc: | banyan, ooh? my understanding was it replaced the fb code, but if that's wrong, I'd love to know |
| [04:38:44] | kormoc: | siXy, indeed, it would |
| [04:38:46] | siXy: | a xen kernel should still work, although i assume i will have to recompile some parts of myth |
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| [04:39:00] | kormoc: | siXy, shouldn't need to actually |
| [04:39:10] | JimDS: | Wreckage — I don't think I'll be much more help. |
| [04:39:20] | wreckage: | hehe, damn it |
| [04:39:24] | kormoc: | very little of myth is actually kernel dependant, and xen shouldn't be playing with v4l that much |
| [04:39:25] | JimDS: | I remember something about mplayer and XVids. |
| [04:39:31] | banyan: | I thought the same thing, but when I read about it, it really just turned out to be X over the framebuffer. |
| [04:39:31] | siXy: | even things like lirc kmods? |
| [04:39:45] | JimDS: | Something about how they are labeled — you need the right decoder |
| [04:39:45] | kormoc: | that's not myth, that you would likely need to recompile :P |
| [04:40:03] | wreckage: | yeah |
| [04:40:13] | wreckage: | the picture is great, so this annoys me =] |
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| [04:42:29] | maxflax: | im having trubble with getting the LCDproc to load during boot.. Where do I put it to get it loaded? |
| [04:42:32] | banyan: | My current issue is primarily that the frontend seems not to be displaying anything but the background until I get into the recordings page. |
| [04:43:18] | maxflax: | As it is now I have to load it manually to get it working! |
| [04:43:24] | kormoc: | banyan, did you enable the opengl painter? |
| [04:43:30] | banyan: | no text, no little pictures. |
| [04:43:38] | kormoc: | maxflax, depends on the distro... |
| [04:44:27] | banyan: | Is that something new that I would have to do from the previous 0.20 version? |
| [04:44:28] | maxflax: | ubuntu |
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| [04:44:50] | maxflax: | kormoc, ubuntu |
| [04:44:53] | kormoc: | banyan, no, it's been in from the start of 0.20, but you might have tweaked it |
| [04:45:07] | kormoc: | maxflax, well, I don't know ubuntu, you might want to ask in #ubuntu |
| [04:45:11] | banyan: | Possible but not as far as I know. |
| [04:45:51] | banyan: | Is that in the setup area in the mythfrontend or is it a mythtv-setup setting? |
| [04:45:52] | maxflax: | kormoc, lol..I did and they said... ask somewhere else it isn't ubuntu related! |
| [04:46:04] | kormoc: | banyan, the output the frontend spits out will tell what painter it is using |
| [04:46:15] | banyan: | I will check the log! |
| [04:46:22] | kormoc: | banyan, it's a per frontend setting, so in the frontend |
| [04:46:29] | kormoc: | maxflax, well, donno what to sudgest |
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| [04:46:41] | twisty7867: | maxflax: in short add to /etc/init.d unless you are using newest (6.10) ubuntu |
| [04:47:01] | banyan: | It says, using OpenGL painter. |
| [04:47:11] | maxflax: | twisty7867, Im using 6.10 |
| [04:47:28] | kormoc: | banyan, try switching that to the QT one and see if it helps |
| [04:47:31] | maxflax: | twisty7867, u mean add a init script there? |
| [04:47:50] | banyan: | Oh, ok. That's in the setup from mythfrontend or is it a mythtv-setup option? |
| [04:47:56] | twisty7867: | I remember reading that they replaced the sysv style stuff with some new thing in 6.10 |
| [04:48:00] | kormoc: | banyan, it could just be a mesa bug with the opengl painter (as the 350 uses mesa to render opengl on the cpu) |
| [04:48:05] | kormoc: | banyan, mythfrontend |
| [04:48:10] | maxflax: | twisty7867, I think I tried that.. I added the debian script that came with the LCDproc package there.. didn't work thou |
| [04:48:17] | banyan: | cool! |
| [04:48:53] | maxflax: | twisty7867, sysv? |
| [04:48:57] | Doonz: | [21:02] <Doonz> ok heres my problem |
| [04:48:57] | Doonz: | [21:02] <Doonz> i managed to get al my sound routed through my spdif outpu tot my receiver |
| [04:48:57] | Doonz: | [21:03] <Doonz> now when i goto play a dvd with ac3 it pops up telling me that the audio device is busy |
| [04:48:59] | twisty7867: | take a look here for their new startup thing: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ I don't know anything about it though |
| [04:49:10] | Doonz: | [21:03] <Doonz> i just close it down and then go and open a file and it work fine |
| [04:49:20] | ** kormoc frowns at ubuntu's upstart thing ** | |
| [04:49:45] | twisty7867: | sysv = AT&T System V UNIX. just one particular style of system design |
| [04:50:05] | kormoc: | yeah, it's just another one that I'll have to learn someday |
| [04:50:19] | kormoc: | and ubuntu specific rather then the sysv standard ones |
| [04:51:09] | twisty7867: | of course they say "anyone could use it..." but nobody will. branching bitchez |
| [04:52:07] | kormoc: | yeah, I do agree that the current way leaves a lot to be desired, but I would have perfered a more community push towards it, rather then one going alone |
| [04:52:09] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [04:52:09] | maxflax: | lol |
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| [04:53:52] | nocturn: | That did it |
| [04:53:58] | nocturn: | Thanks |
| [04:54:09] | nocturn: | (for those that care) |
| [04:54:51] | banyan: | Excellent! That did work for the missing text / stuff in the menu. |
| [04:54:58] | kormoc: | niceness |
| [04:55:09] | banyan: | But nothing for the 50% cpu usage... heh |
| [04:56:29] | banyan: | I can't believe no-one else has experienced that. |
| [04:56:49] | maxflax: | I wonder if there is a interface for that upstart thingy in ubuntu.. for adding jobs and such.. |
| [04:56:58] | Joffray: | I have a question about datadirect/eit stuff |
| [04:57:14] | banyan: | upstart, is that like cron? |
| [04:57:26] | Joffray: | basically I'm curious as to the different between specifying EIT data only and specifying a datadirect source, but then enabling the EIT scan option |
| [04:57:34] | kormoc: | banyan, nah, it's ubuntu's init replacement, replaces init and cron and a bunch of other tools |
| [04:57:50] | banyan: | fun. sounds like a total nightmare! :-) |
| [04:57:57] | maxflax: | whats cron? |
| [04:57:58] | kormoc: | it is! :P |
| [04:58:09] | kormoc: | maxflax, google has a nice define for it |
| [04:58:35] | maxflax: | why use google when there are qualyfied ppl to ask here? :D |
| [04:58:38] | banyan: | but I'm used to fc6. |
| [04:59:41] | banyan: | cron is a service that starts tasks at defined times (by day of month, or hourly, or daily, or whatever). |
| [04:59:50] | Doonz: | Hmm guess nobody can help me |
| [05:00:49] | banyan: | doonz: you probably have an app open that is tying up the audio device. |
| [05:01:40] | Doonz: | i did a ps -x and nothing is open |
| [05:02:29] | Doonz: | cause i can just exit xine and then play a file that isnt ac3 and it plays perfectly |
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| [05:04:09] | banyan: | fuser -v /dev/audio |
| [05:04:16] | banyan: | doonz... |
| [05:04:39] | Doonz: | ok gimme a sec |
| [05:04:43] | kormoc: | that won't help if it's a alsa ac3 only lock |
| [05:04:54] | banyan: | true nuff. |
| [05:04:57] | Doonz: | oh |
| [05:05:11] | Doonz: | yeah im just trying to get it to passthrough undecaded to my receiver |
| [05:05:17] | Doonz: | undecoded |
| [05:05:34] | banyan: | undecided? |
| [05:05:52] | Doonz: | heh |
| [05:06:00] | Doonz: | naw just stupid fingers wanna hit other keys |
| [05:06:58] | Doonz: | shoudl i go try that command? |
| [05:08:14] | maxflax: | damn alsa having such poor compability with hda-intel |
| [05:09:15] | maxflax: | those alsa-drivers is enough to make a man insane! |
| [05:09:39] | ** Doonz is getting there fast mostly because the more i try to read about it the more confused i get ** | |
| [05:09:40] | cesman: | muuaaahahahahahaha! |
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| [05:11:00] | cesman: | guess I scared him off |
| [05:11:40] | Doonz: | who |
| [05:12:09] | banyan: | It's like a new language. Ask "Comment ca va?" and if they tell you, you'll find out how many other words you don't know in French. |
| [05:12:10] | kormoc: | <-- JohnQ has quit () |
| [05:12:29] | maxflax: | I've done alot of pickeling with the alsa-drivers.. Wanted my spdif to be detected.. Somone told me that was fixed it tha latest release.. problem is that all versions above 1.0.12 makes my boot to stall on IRQ problems.. |
| [05:13:28] | maxflax: | So my job now is to nag the alsa dev to fix the problem.. :D |
| [05:14:07] | kormoc: | I bet the devs love you |
| [05:14:19] | Doonz: | Heh |
| [05:14:23] | Doonz: | im just soo lost |
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| [05:14:31] | ** Doonz was hoping to find someone who had the same problem ** | |
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| [05:14:35] | kormoc: | Commit 2121: fixes the IRQ problems, adds code to sleep for 90 seconds if user == maxflax |
| [05:15:09] | maxflax: | kormoc, yeah.. they like me bigtime! :D |
| [05:15:29] | banyan: | what if you tweak the interrupt on the sound card? |
| [05:17:30] | mchou: | maxflax: it's probably your mobo :) |
| [05:18:12] | mchou: | maxflax: If I had to betw you mobor or alsa problem, I bet mobo |
| [05:18:24] | maxflax: | mchou, nah,, works with versions 1.0.12 and below |
| [05:18:43] | mchou: | maxflax: alsa never worked |
| [05:18:54] | mchou: | maxflax: what you talking about? |
| [05:19:22] | mchou: | saying alsa "works" is an oxymoron |
| [05:19:52] | maxflax: | mchou, doh |
| [05:19:53] | banyan: | The only sound architecture that's worse than alsa is the rest of them. |
| [05:20:25] | mchou: | kinda like the US elections |
| [05:20:33] | maxflax: | I got sound with drivers 1.0.12 and below then! .D |
| [05:20:40] | mchou: | choose the lesser evil |
| [05:21:01] | mchou: | while holding your nose |
| [05:21:06] | maxflax: | and with drivers above a non booting computer |
| [05:21:24] | mchou: | and for those of you in the US, vote often tommorow! |
| [05:21:45] | banyan: | but seriously, what else is there to use? It's the only game in town. |
| [05:21:58] | maxflax: | banyan, OSS |
| [05:22:00] | mchou: | banyan: if alsa fails use oss |
| [05:22:48] | mchou: | banyan: you got nothing to lose now |
| [05:23:21] | banyan: | what's the word on the street as for how the us election's going to go? |
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| [05:23:51] | banyan: | mchou — actually, my alsa works fine. |
| [05:23:54] | mchou: | banyan: it's time to throw the Repugs out! |
| [05:23:59] | banyan: | heh |
| [05:24:13] | banyan: | lame-duck the shrub? |
| [05:24:32] | mchou: | banyan: he is already lame duck |
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| [05:24:36] | Pryon: | That happens automagically |
| [05:24:42] | mchou: | look at his approval rating |
| [05:24:52] | Joffray: | where do I set the path that mythVideo uses |
| [05:25:02] | mchou: | hasnt got anything done since 2004 |
| [05:25:17] | banyan: | and that's with his own party controlling both houses. |
| [05:25:27] | banyan: | that's pretty horrible right there. |
| [05:25:31] | mchou: | Social Security reform, immigration reform..... |
| [05:25:41] | mchou: | all went down in flames |
| [05:25:47] | Joffray: | go join #politics or something |
| [05:25:59] | mchou: | just like how Iraq is right now |
| [05:26:06] | Joffray: | someone tell me where I set the path that mythvideo looks in |
| [05:26:22] | banyan: | the social security reform was silly and unnecessary. |
| [05:26:27] | mchou: | Joffray: in the db |
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| [05:26:39] | mchou: | banyan: exactly |
| [05:26:42] | banyan: | and incredibly ill advised. |
| [05:26:52] | Pryon: | Joffray: setup->setup->media settings->video settings |
| [05:27:00] | Joffray: | thnks Pryon |
| [05:27:10] | ** Joffray hits everyone else in the face ** | |
| [05:27:13] | Joffray: | :) |
| [05:27:26] | Pryon: | hit yourself too. That took about 3.7 seconds to find |
| [05:27:31] | mchou: | Joffray: make sure you include the shrub |
| [05:27:44] | Joffray: | Pryon: done! |
| [05:27:45] | kormoc: | Joffray, now now, be nice... |
| [05:27:47] | banyan: | though, I have to say, most fund managers suck bunghole. So maybe a huge centrally managed fund is doomed too. |
| [05:28:48] | mchou: | banyan: except the govt fund managers arent constrained by law :) |
| [05:29:05] | mchou: | they can use inside info :) |
| [05:29:16] | banyan: | Do they turn a profit? |
| [05:29:36] | banyan: | The real ticket would be knowing up front what they were going to buy into. |
| [05:29:37] | mchou: | depends on the definition of "profit" :) |
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| [05:29:52] | banyan: | returns above inflation. |
| [05:30:06] | banyan: | an increasing net value in real terms. |
| [05:30:07] | mchou: | sure, they return above inflation |
| [05:30:28] | mchou: | above inflation aint exactly profit though |
| [05:30:37] | banyan: | Is the jury in on Greenspan's replacement? |
| [05:30:57] | mchou: | ppl are greedy and want to profit to be ay above S&P |
| [05:31:01] | mchou: | way* |
| [05:31:04] | banyan: | Is he doing well or is he doing "a heckova job" as the shrub puts it when somebody screws up royally? |
| [05:31:27] | banyan: | When you're investing trillions, it is not possible to return above S&P. |
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| [05:31:41] | mchou: | Greenspan's successor is not a bush crony |
| [05:31:56] | banyan: | How's he doing tho? |
| [05:32:15] | mchou: | we, he screw up at least once already..... |
| [05:32:29] | mchou: | but that's probably do to inexperience |
| [05:32:38] | mchou: | new on the job and all that |
| [05:33:41] | mchou: | he said something that get got Wall St. all quivery |
| [05:33:55] | banyan: | I'm getting a picture of a pimply-faced 15 year old kid learning how to drive in one of those 50-feet-tall mining trucks. |
| [05:33:58] | mchou: | mkt tanked the next day |
| [05:34:19] | mchou: | but then recovered when he claified his remarks :) |
| [05:35:21] | banyan: | that's what comes of letting the kids run with scissors. In Canada our government just did an about face on a type of corporate structure that let the taxes be passed through to the shareholders. |
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| [05:36:38] | banyan: | It was gonna cost them too much so they went back on it, and many of the largest companies in Canada tanked it in the markets. |
| [05:38:20] | banyan: | and they are the anti-tax conservatives (they also happen to be idiot children running with scissors). |
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| [05:55:12] | spiderworm: | hi all, im running the latest stable cvs, and mythfrontend crashes about 20 times a day. what can i do? |
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| [05:56:08] | opello: | 'latest stable' and 'cvs' probably don't belong in the same sentence? |
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| [05:56:37] | spiderworm: | running version 0.20.20060828–3 here |
| [05:56:55] | spiderworm: | perhaps you're not aware that cvs has branches, including a stable 0.20 branch? |
| [05:57:13] | spiderworm: | would you like some documentation to the effect? |
| [05:57:20] | opello: | woah, an scm with branching support? |
| [05:57:27] | opello: | i figured you meant head |
| [05:57:33] | spiderworm: | indeed. shock & awe |
| [05:57:38] | spiderworm: | no sir |
| [05:57:44] | opello: | well, when you don't say :) |
| [05:58:09] | spiderworm: | what did i say? latest stable cvs |
| [05:58:14] | spiderworm: | what would you like me to call it |
| [05:58:21] | opello: | 0.20.20060828–3 ? |
| [05:58:25] | spiderworm: | fine |
| [05:58:36] | spiderworm: | now, back to the problem |
| [05:58:39] | spiderworm: | imm a little peeved |
| [05:58:46] | spiderworm: | and im hoping to fix this |
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| [05:59:02] | spiderworm: | mostly because my wife is threatening to rip my spine from my back |
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| [05:59:20] | spiderworm: | ah, just crashed again |
| [05:59:27] | mchou: | hehe |
| [05:59:40] | mchou: | no loving for a month |
| [05:59:46] | spiderworm: | i have some errors, will jump into irc on that machine, paste them in a pastebin |
| [06:00:20] | kormoc: | spiderworm, no offence, but when you call subversion cvs, assuming you got the right branch is a bit uncommon |
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| [06:01:13] | Joffray: | yea, it's svn |
| [06:01:17] | Joffray: | not cvs |
| [06:01:25] | tellim: | hi, spiderworm the pissed here |
| [06:01:31] | tellim: | going to provide a link with output |
| [06:01:35] | mchou: | kormoc: oh, gimme a break. svn/cvs and you gonna get medieval on the dude? |
| [06:01:51] | opello: | heh |
| [06:02:17] | Joffray: | so what are the problems you're having spiderworm |
| [06:02:34] | tellim: | rib me all you want, if you can help me fix my problem |
| [06:02:43] | tellim: | i dont give a kcuf |
| [06:03:06] | Joffray: | so what are the problems you're having spiderworm |
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| [06:04:01] | tellim: | http://pastebin.ca/242404 <--- please take a look |
| [06:04:19] | tellim: | towards the bottom are what appears to be errors, or warnings, then segfault |
| [06:05:09] | Joffray: | HD video? |
| [06:05:10] | kormoc: | did you update your ivtv drivers at all? |
| [06:05:18] | tellim: | kormoc not recently |
| [06:05:22] | tellim: | its been a couple months |
| [06:05:40] | kormoc: | and so they were working fine? |
| [06:05:55] | tellim: | and the crashing started about a week or two ago when i switched from ubuntu dapper packages to compiled SVN (not CVS) |
| [06:06:07] | tellim: | i compile it myself of course :) |
| [06:06:19] | Joffray: | fixes branch? |
| [06:06:21] | tellim: | which seemed to go well but i could be doing something wrnog |
| [06:06:22] | tellim: | yes |
| [06:06:26] | Joffray: | hmph |
| [06:06:34] | kormoc: | might want to put up the configure log |
| [06:06:43] | Joffray: | you might try changing the decoder used |
| [06:06:50] | Joffray: | from xvmc to libmpeg2 or something else |
| [06:06:51] | Joffray: | if you can |
| [06:07:01] | Joffray: | and the configure log too |
| [06:07:07] | tellim: | dual mpeg encoders on this card.... do they do decoding too? |
| [06:07:13] | tellim: | probably not i guess |
| [06:07:15] | tellim: | pvr-500 |
| [06:07:17] | tellim: | is what i have |
| [06:07:25] | kormoc: | nope, encode only |
| [06:07:32] | mchou: | tellim: what speed cpu is this? |
| [06:07:37] | tellim: | ok so Joffray how do i switch from xvmc to libmpeg2? |
| [06:07:44] | tellim: | mchou, pretty slow... 1 sec |
| [06:07:52] | Joffray: | on the frontend |
| [06:08:00] | Joffray: | ->settings->playback |
| [06:08:28] | tellim: | AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2600+ .... 2082.152 MHz |
| [06:08:35] | tellim: | ok, will try that |
| [06:08:52] | Joffray: | # |
| [06:08:52] | Joffray: | stream: start_time: 0.289 duration: 3579.053 bitrate=15769 kb/s that bitrate seems really high |
| [06:09:04] | Joffray: | if you're just using a PVR-500 |
| [06:09:07] | Joffray: | maybe not though |
| [06:09:08] | ** Joffray shrugs ** | |
| [06:09:14] | tellim: | Joffray, im on a 52 screen so i want a good bitrate |
| [06:09:17] | tellim: | i think :) |
| [06:09:19] | mchou: | lol |
| [06:09:20] | tellim: | i just maxed it out |
| [06:09:24] | Joffray: | I see |
| [06:09:27] | kormoc: | the max is 16000 iirc for ivtv cards |
| [06:09:49] | Joffray: | I use dvb-s and everything non-hdtv is ~2500 kb/s |
| [06:09:58] | Joffray: | but then again it's digital to begin with |
| [06:10:03] | Joffray: | there isn't much of a choice :) |
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| [06:16:17] | Led-Hed: | I just upgraded to MythTV 0.20 from 0.19 and noticed that none of my shows are recording. They show up correctly in the program guide, but the shows arent getting actually recording. Any ideas? |
| [06:16:57] | kormoc: | check the logs? |
| [06:17:13] | Led-Hed: | What should I be looking for? |
| [06:17:22] | Led-Hed: | and where? =) |
| [06:17:23] | kormoc: | anything that seems odd? |
| [06:17:55] | Led-Hed: | I dont have myth set to log to the database, so where does it typically store the logs? |
| [06:18:18] | Led-Hed: | found them |
| [06:18:29] | spiderworm: | how special ... now the rekcufrehtom crashed |
| [06:18:55] | spiderworm: | Led-Hed: im guessing that mythbackend isnt running |
| [06:19:09] | spiderworm: | Led-Hed: can you try: sudo /etc/init.d/mythbackend start |
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| [06:19:25] | Led-Hed: | spiderworm, its running |
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| [06:19:29] | spiderworm: | Led-Hed: ok |
| [06:19:34] | kormoc: | if the backend isn't running, mythfrontend gets rather chatty about it |
| [06:19:41] | spiderworm: | thats true |
| [06:19:43] | Led-Hed: | and I can watch LiveTV and Videos |
| [06:20:09] | spiderworm: | nm then, sorry :) it just sounded suspiciously like a problem i had |
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| [06:24:28] | Led-Hed: | kormoc, http://pastebin.ledhed.net/2 |
| [06:25:08] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, as strange as it seems, the channel change failed |
| [06:25:20] | Led-Hed: | I can see that, but why |
| [06:25:34] | kormoc: | donno, and you can change the channel in livetv? |
| [06:25:40] | Led-Hed: | yes |
| [06:26:16] | kormoc: | you might want to run mythbackend with -v all > backend.log, let it go, and see if you can get a ungodly verbrose log of what it tried |
| [06:26:40] | Led-Hed: | ok, trying now |
| [06:26:42] | hydroksyde: | just be careful |
| [06:26:50] | hydroksyde: | if you add that to your init scripts |
| [06:26:55] | hydroksyde: | to remove it later |
| [06:26:57] | spiderworm: | ok, testing again for crashes, Joffray we'll see if it was the decoder pretty soon im sure |
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| [06:30:29] | Led-Hed: | When doing an upgrade from 0.19 to 0.20 should I have deleted my Capture Cards and re-created them? |
| [06:30:55] | banyan: | Has anyone got fc6 with myth 0.20, ivtv 0.8.0 and kernel 2.6.18–1.2798? |
| [06:32:38] | banyan: | or has anyone got a pvr-350 with some of the same stuff where when they play back, their CPU is 50% used? |
| [06:33:25] | cesman: | muuaaahahahahahaha! |
| [06:34:04] | banyan: | Is the maniacal laughter directed at me? |
| [06:34:13] | cesman: | no |
| [06:34:20] | banyan: | okee. |
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| [06:36:40] | tellim: | ok, frontend still crashing, so i installed libmpeg-dev, did a make clean, then a configure, and the results are at http://pastebin.ca/242412 .... does that look ok? |
| [06:42:32] | Dagmar: | tellim: if you don't know, then you probably shouldn't be compiling this |
| [06:47:44] | cesman: | tellim: yes, that looks ok |
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| [06:47:55] | carstenc: | Good morning all |
| [06:48:07] | cesman: | might I suggest reading the mythtv docs on building w/ debugging |
| [06:48:13] | halex-ab: | Howdy carstenc! |
| [06:48:25] | cesman: | perhaps you need to create a ticket and report the problem... |
| [06:48:36] | carstenc: | some small questions |
| [06:49:02] | carstenc: | I created a mythtv box for a friend of mine |
| [06:49:35] | carstenc: | and now many things seem to work ok |
| [06:49:39] | Joffray: | no, it can't automatically download porn |
| [06:49:44] | halex-ab: | Nooo..! |
| [06:49:48] | halex-ab: | :'( |
| [06:49:52] | carstenc: | if you switch channels |
| [06:50:11] | carstenc: | it hangs some seconds when the new channel is already visible |
| [06:50:31] | halex-ab: | You mean the video pauses for a few seconds? |
| [06:50:34] | carstenc: | yes |
| [06:50:45] | Joffray: | yea, that's standard for me |
| [06:50:57] | halex-ab: | Yeh, that's just Myth filling its buffer.. |
| [06:51:03] | halex-ab: | (I hope) |
| [06:51:05] | carstenc: | I know thats related to the fact that everything is recorded |
| [06:51:14] | carstenc: | so hdparm will not help here? |
| [06:51:20] | halex-ab: | Doubt it.. |
| [06:52:33] | carstenc: | but even if the channel is already visible and the video pauses again |
| [06:52:49] | carstenc: | is there a logfile to see why it hung? |
| [06:53:51] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [06:53:57] | halex-ab: | /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [06:54:09] | carstenc: | can you increase logleve ? |
| [06:54:13] | carstenc: | loglevel? |
| [06:54:33] | halex-ab: | Run mythbackend with the -v argument.. |
| [06:54:34] | carstenc: | because I dont see much there |
| [06:54:39] | carstenc: | ah ok |
| [06:54:40] | halex-ab: | Runs it in verbose mode.. |
| [06:55:15] | carstenc: | Sound is the next issue |
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| [06:55:44] | carstenc: | he has a 5.1 system which should be used for Sound output of myth |
| [06:56:05] | carstenc: | I bought a terratec sound card |
| [06:56:08] | carstenc: | 7.1 |
| [06:56:30] | carstenc: | the card has digital plugs |
| [06:56:36] | ** Hoxzer has terratec DVB-C card ** | |
| [06:56:54] | carstenc: | and should be supported by Linux |
| [06:57:26] | carstenc: | Is there a howto for sound ? |
| [06:57:38] | carstenc: | to make it work with 7.1? |
| [06:57:44] | carstenc: | cards? |
| [06:57:48] | Joffray: | |
| [06:57:56] | halex-ab: | it's your friend.. ;) |
| [06:58:03] | cesman: | http://www.alsa-project.org/ |
| [06:58:07] | carstenc: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html#ss7.1 |
| [06:58:43] | halex-ab: | Or you can try JACK.. heh |
| [06:58:48] | halex-ab: | Rather than alsa.. |
| [06:59:19] | carstenc: | what is JACK ? |
| [07:00:20] | Dagmar: | Nothing you should be worrying about |
| [07:01:57] | cesman: | carstenc: you don't want to go that route |
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| [07:02:11] | halex-ab: | Yeh, I was just kidding.. |
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| [07:05:21] | halex-ab: | Damn XMLTV guides suck here.. |
| [07:05:36] | Hoxzer: | ...hmm |
| [07:07:36] | carstenc: | thanx so far |
| [07:07:38] | carstenc: | C |
| [07:07:39] | carstenc: | U |
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| [07:08:28] | Led-Hed: | ok, I delteted all my Capture Cards & Video Source, then Re-Created them. Recordings seem to be working, except it seems that the IVTV drivers are crashing... |
| [07:08:36] | Hoxzer: | I AM booooooooored |
| [07:08:52] | Led-Hed: | then fix my Myth. =) |
| [07:09:25] | halex-ab: | Led-Hed, that seems strange, Live TV implies recording something.. |
| [07:09:34] | Led-Hed: | what is the key that changes the tunner? |
| [07:09:55] | Joffray: | Y |
| [07:10:23] | Led-Hed: | halex-ab, it records but one of the tunners seems to be bombing out the IVTV drivers. |
| [07:10:51] | Led-Hed: | the 3 PVR-250's seem ok, the 350 is causing the problems |
| [07:16:55] | banyan: | tellim, doesn't that mean psalms? |
| [07:18:03] | banyan: | Led-Hed — is your problem with playback or recording? |
| [07:18:12] | Led-Hed: | well what do you know. Feels like Windows. Couple of reboots and I'm back in business... |
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| [07:19:30] | banyan: | you were having a problem with the receiver stuff (encoding) or playback? |
| [07:20:56] | banyan: | I am having a problem with playback taking almost half of my CPU. |
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| [07:27:13] | Led-Hed: | banyan, what speed CPU and Capture Card? |
| [07:27:35] | banyan: | PVR350, P4–2.5GHz. |
| [07:27:46] | banyan: | This is playback via the 350. |
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| [07:27:58] | halex-ab: | HDD space? |
| [07:28:05] | Led-Hed: | thats really bad. CPU should be almost nill with a PVR-350 |
| [07:28:09] | banyan: | yep. |
| [07:28:15] | banyan: | And it used to be in fact almost nil. |
| [07:28:19] | Led-Hed: | oh, not encoding |
| [07:28:27] | banyan: | Nope, decoding. |
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| [07:28:36] | banyan: | Encoding is still almost nil. |
| [07:29:05] | Led-Hed: | you update the drivers recently |
| [07:29:09] | banyan: | Yep! |
| [07:29:19] | Led-Hed: | revert |
| [07:29:54] | banyan: | 0.8.0 ivtv, 0.20-14–144 myth. |
| [07:30:12] | banyan: | I can't short of reverting kernels. |
| [07:30:29] | Led-Hed: | what distro? |
| [07:30:41] | Dagmar: | You should with the stop. |
| [07:30:45] | Led-Hed: | ivtv-kmdl-2.6.17–1.2142_FC4–0.7.1–118.fc4.at |
| [07:30:53] | Led-Hed: | IVTV 0.71 |
| [07:31:04] | Led-Hed: | IVTV 0.7.1 |
| [07:31:16] | banyan: | back to 2.6.17... and I'm not sure that there's a 2.6.17 kernel with fc6. |
| [07:31:29] | Led-Hed: | I doubt it. |
| [07:31:54] | Led-Hed: | 2.6.18–1.2798.fc6 |
| [07:32:05] | Led-Hed: | thats the initial kernel for FC6 |
| [07:32:51] | Led-Hed: | ivtv_xdriver-0.10.6–7.fc6.at.i386.rpm |
| [07:33:06] | Led-Hed: | thats the Xorg driver for FC6, what are you using? |
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| [07:34:36] | Led-Hed: | you could download the FC6 spec file and use a previous version of the IVTV driver to roll it back |
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| [07:35:08] | Led-Hed: | night. Time for "Heros" and bed.. |
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| [08:04:46] | Joffray: | I wish there was a way to query imdb for movies in the guide instead of just mythvideo |
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| [09:33:57] | juski: | morning |
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| [10:41:56] | ivor: | quiet today |
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| [11:20:21] | ivor: | xbl interface screenshots: http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/07/xbox-live-video-hands-on/ |
| [11:21:05] | Davo_Dinkum: | x86 x*b*l? |
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| [11:22:28] | Davo_Dinkum: | Oh right, xbox live |
| [11:22:52] | ivor: | :) |
| [11:22:58] | ivor: | the clue is in the url. |
| [11:24:54] | juski: | woo someone at work dampened the string again |
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| [11:25:49] | ivor: | you're all wearing thongs? |
| [11:25:59] | juski: | eew |
| [11:26:08] | juski: | no the internet string :) |
| [11:26:18] | ivor: | I know. :D |
| [11:27:03] | jduggan: | anyone know a quick way of seeing which modules have been enabled in apache? |
| [11:27:28] | juski: | interesting that the xbox live thingy is in that shiny grey colour.. I quite like that |
| [11:27:43] | Davo_Dinkum: | Pfft MythTV is way better. |
| [11:28:10] | ivor: | not in slick glitz it isn't. |
| [11:28:29] | juski: | jduggan: make a file called phpinfo.php containing the line <?php phpinfo() ?> ... |
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| [11:28:33] | juski: | without the dots |
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| [11:29:36] | juski: | I also quite like the idea of XBMC's 'blades' but I'm not sure if they could be made to apply to myth |
| [11:30:06] | Davo_Dinkum: | Blades? WTF? |
| [11:31:07] | juski: | read the article then you'll know |
| [11:31:34] | jduggan: | juski: that doesnt show what modules have been loaded with the LoadModule directive |
| [11:31:36] | Davo_Dinkum: | Nah I don't care that much. |
| [11:31:48] | Davo_Dinkum: | It is Microsoft, after all. |
| [11:32:10] | juski: | jduggan: ach well |
| [11:32:29] | juski: | Davo_Dinkum: then you're daft. they have some good ideas worth pinching |
| [11:35:41] | Davo_Dinkum: | They probably do, but those ideas might be patented. |
| [11:37:16] | juski: | hasn't stopped the XBMC guys nicking the ideas then ;) |
| [11:37:38] | Davo_Dinkum: | Hmm, yes. |
| [11:38:03] | jduggan: | /win 18 |
| [11:43:01] | Dagmar: | it's amazing the things you find in a company's portfolio when you buy them out |
| [11:43:30] | Merlin83b: | jduggan: Look in the errorlog for the last restart. |
| [11:43:58] | Merlin83b: | jduggan: Or the serverstatus module if you have it will show you. |
| [11:44:19] | Merlin83b: | Or it's in some ENV variable I think but that involve crafting a quick CGI script. |
| [11:46:49] | juski: | holy poo. my s100 hacking page is linked to from del.icio.us |
| [11:47:01] | juski: | I was thinking about pulling the plug on it earlier too |
| [11:47:28] | Merlin83b: | Heh |
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| [11:54:09] | juski: | oo I like the idea of this 'freeview playback' malarkey |
| [11:56:05] | juski: | what? a sensible idea????! http://www.pvruk.co.uk/article.cfm?attributes.article=533 |
| [11:58:10] | juski: | some good stuff in here too: http://www.pvruk.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9 |
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| [12:52:24] | kleinlappies: | hello |
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| [12:56:40] | coffee88: | goodbye! |
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| [13:01:16] | Davo_Dinkum: | Bye. |
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| [13:01:38] | pepsiman: | mythweb is telling me "There's guide data until 2038-05–05 23:35 (11502 days)." I think that's a bit optimistic |
| [13:03:19] | _are_: | cool, may I have that data? ;) |
| [13:03:51] | pepsiman: | 1717 | 2038-04–28 23:47:45 | 2038-05–05 23:35:30 | | | | | | |
| [13:04:57] | pepsiman: | there's one show on one channel, for 7 days, it doesn't have a title |
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| [13:09:38] | juski: | woops |
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| [13:11:58] | juski: | ivor: btw I might have an explanation for your freeview being broken on your myth box... there's a very unusual tropospheric lift happening between the UK & most of europe at the mo. described by the weather forecasters here like "you might be experiencing interference on TV & radio"... just went out to my car & pulled in a French radio station clear as crystal, and the ducting (atmospheric effect) is going all the way to |
| [13:12:28] | juski: | very unusual for this time of year |
| [13:12:57] | r3z`: | hrm s100 havent ever seen one of those.. |
| [13:14:07] | juski: | s100 is a nice little box that makes a very capable mythtv frontend :) |
| [13:14:42] | r3z`: | Where you pick them up at ebay? |
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| [13:16:08] | juski: | http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?so . . . 1&fsoo=1 |
| [13:16:16] | juski: | oof that's a URL & a half |
| [13:16:49] | r3z`: | Ya I think ebay just throws in random charecters into their urls for kicks |
| [13:17:05] | r3z`: | Those seem to be for the UK |
| [13:17:07] | r3z`: | I am in US |
| [13:17:12] | r3z`: | So prolly in PAL anyway |
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| [13:19:44] | juski: | they can do NTSC – it's just a case of setting the fs454 tv encoder correctly in intel's binary driver |
| [13:19:59] | juski: | output video quality is _very_ good |
| [13:20:15] | r3z`: | Interesting. |
| [13:20:38] | juski: | you'd prolly be better off (and it'd be cheaper) to lay your hands on an MSNTV2 box |
| [13:20:58] | r3z`: | Ill just stick with my frontend backend pc up front :) |
| [13:21:14] | r3z`: | Let me get it going before I am to start getting into having a seperate frontend |
| [13:21:25] | r3z`: | ALl the parts are supposed to be here today soo Im happy |
| [13:21:52] | r3z`: | Waiting on mobo proc pvr500 card and remote |
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| [13:23:22] | r3z`: | 11/07/2006 05:53:00 OUT FOR DELIVERY[I] INDIANAPOLIS, IN, US |
| [13:23:24] | r3z`: | w00t |
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| [13:23:52] | Paladine: | <- still waiting on my frelling dremel |
| [13:29:56] | Dagmar: | Dis is why I don't begrudge FedEx their $15 |
| [13:30:31] | Zider: | the Grudge? |
| [13:31:40] | Dagmar: | Not really. |
| [13:31:49] | Dagmar: | "Sometimes, when a package is delivered..." |
| [13:31:56] | Dagmar: | It doesn't quite have the zing |
| [13:32:01] | Dagmar: | No wait, I've got it... |
| [13:32:24] | Dagmar: | "Sometimes, when an order is fulfilled, a terrible door hanger is left behind..." |
| [13:33:13] | Zider: | I've seen a third of the grudge.. then I turned it off.. :P |
| [13:33:25] | Dagmar: | "Saying, 'Sorry we were unable to deliver your package from Evil_Spirits_Inc. We'll try again tomorrow between eleventeen o'clock and thirty-one hundred hours." |
| [13:33:33] | Dagmar: | They kinda fscked it up actually |
| [13:33:42] | Dagmar: | Don't bother watching the american versions of it. |
| [13:33:49] | Dagmar: | Get the Japanese dubbed version |
| [13:33:49] | Zider: | never |
| [13:33:54] | Zider: | dubbed? bah |
| [13:34:02] | Dagmar: | Same goes for The Ring, and *especially* Ring II |
| [13:34:04] | fryfrog: | *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/mythbackend: free(): invalid next size (normal): 0xaa57bca0 *** |
| [13:34:07] | Dagmar: | You understand Japanese? |
| [13:34:07] | fryfrog: | wtf is that? |
| [13:34:16] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: A FUNNERY bug |
| [13:34:18] | Zider: | Dagmar: subtitles ffs :P |
| [13:34:29] | fryfrog: | FUNNERY? |
| [13:34:31] | Dagmar: | Zider: But reeding iz hard! |
| [13:34:40] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: It's funnery! |
| [13:34:40] | Zider: | Dagmar: dubbing sucks |
| [13:34:42] | Zider: | imo |
| [13:34:43] | juski: | I agree with Dagmar about The Ring being better in the original (i.e. non US) version – aprt from them spoiling the ending on the DVD cover |
| [13:34:58] | Dagmar: | Man they completely bufu'd the whole message of Ring II |
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| [13:35:39] | Zider: | actually, I felt that the US version of the ring was much better than the original.. but that's the ONLY time that has happend.. :P |
| [13:35:41] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: Usually it's the sort of thing you get when stuff wasn't built right, or built against a different version of one of it's dependent libraries |
| [13:35:54] | juski: | I wasn;t sure about them re-cutting Donnie Darko so it'd be easier to understand.. my opinion is if you're too thick to get it, it's not my fault |
| [13:36:02] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: that is what I thought, but my nearly identical master backend is fine :? |
| [13:36:02] | Dagmar: | Zider: They missed the whole "thing" about evil spirits in Japanese fare. |
| [13:36:11] | Zider: | fare? |
| [13:36:13] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: The key word there is "nearly" |
| [13:36:22] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: I even re-emerged "system" and recompiled myth, with no luck |
| [13:36:39] | fryfrog: | juski: donnie darko, ftw :) |
| [13:36:55] | Zider: | butterfly effect ftw :P |
| [13:37:15] | juski: | wtf is ftw? I know it's 'for the win' but wtf is that supposed to mean? |
| [13:37:19] | Dagmar: | Zider: Westerners have this odd notion that spirits need a reason... some justification for tormenting people, and that there's a logic behind it that the protagonist can figure out |
| [13:37:33] | Zider: | juski: it can also be "for the winner" |
| [13:37:41] | Zider: | for great justice ;) |
| [13:37:46] | Dagmar: | Zider: Japanese spooks, not so much. Japanese spooks are frequently gnomic, unreasonable, irrational, and inescapably destructive |
| [13:38:04] | Zider: | Dagmar: ah |
| [13:38:11] | fryfrog: | juski: i guess it kind of means "good" |
| [13:38:12] | juski: | a bit like me then.. no rational explanation for them being cranky or evil :) |
| [13:38:31] | Dagmar: | juski: IT's an asian-ism. You're supposed to say it in all caps while throwing your hands in the air like a short bus rider (or a soccer fan) |
| [13:38:33] | juski: | ahh |
| [13:38:35] | Zider: | yeah those pesky juskis, just plain evul ;) |
| [13:39:44] | ivor: | juski: yeah something weird is going on, it looks like some kind of interference, since the signal is 100% strong when it's working fine. but then all of a sudden all goes to pot. |
| [13:39:51] | juski: | hmm apparently that french radio station I picked up in my car is in Nantes. that's a fair distance for FM to travel |
| [13:40:30] | juski: | ivor: the unusual atmospherics are expected to end today |
| [13:41:15] | ivor: | think I'll re-do the wiring anyway. |
| [13:41:21] | Dagmar: | ...and then the aliens will descendl |
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| [13:50:17] | juski: | that's why I always wear my tinfoil hat when I watch TV |
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| [13:51:02] | ivor: | just your tinfoil hat and nothing else... |
| [13:51:13] | ivor: | so the little mites can't crawl into your clothing. |
| [13:52:51] | ivor: | juski's house: http://www.kcra.com/news/4512146/detail.html |
| [13:58:36] | ivor: | hahahah. http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/42172 scroll to the comment by scarabic. |
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| [14:00:28] | Dagmar: | hats off to scarabic on that one |
| [14:00:37] | Dagmar: | THat's some good segue |
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| [14:10:04] | Dagmar: | I just wonder if those people had the sense to know that you need to actually _ground_ the aluminum plating |
| [14:10:20] | Dagmar: | (that's right, those tin foil hats are useless without a grounding strap) |
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| [14:14:27] | juski: | ivor: I might start worrying about you soon. that's twice today you've made a joke about me being underclothed :-P |
| [14:15:05] | juski: | or.. is it just that my 'hidden' links on my website aren't really that well hidden? |
| [14:15:39] | juski: | and still nobody has found the 'easter egg' in either of my themes.. muhahahaha |
| [14:16:02] | ** GreyFoxx looks at the source ** | |
| [14:16:04] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [14:16:56] | Dagmar: | You mean the picture of that little girl? |
| [14:17:08] | juski: | er.. |
| [14:17:11] | Dagmar: | The one with the riding crop and ... |
| [14:17:14] | Dagmar: | OH, |
| [14:17:15] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [14:17:19] | juski: | the one in the gimp mask |
| [14:17:25] | Dagmar: | Oh THAT one |
| [14:17:49] | juski: | masks in the GIMP are just one way to composite transparent PNGs |
| [14:18:04] | juski: | I think I may have took that one a little too literally |
| [14:18:11] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [14:18:24] | Dagmar: | I thought you were just playing into the joke |
| [14:20:31] | ** GreyFoxx wonders how far along the windows porting guys have gotten ** | |
| [14:20:57] | juski: | oh wow, a customer wants to know what BTU ratings our units are. he must know winter is coming & wants to find out how many units he'll need to heat the place |
| [14:21:20] | Dagmar: | Actually no |
| [14:21:34] | juski: | I know.. |
| [14:21:43] | juski: | he needs to know how much A/C to budget for |
| [14:21:44] | Dagmar: | That's one of the more standard things for placing equipment in machine rooms in the UK |
| [14:21:54] | Dagmar: | We don't have to care in the US |
| [14:22:05] | juski: | the guy IS in the US |
| [14:22:25] | Dagmar: | Then he is apparently not aware that we have no standards here except for power. :) |
| [14:22:47] | juski: | his contractor quotes A/C output in BTUs |
| [14:22:48] | Dagmar: | ...well, that and ISO9000 compliance, which basically involves ordering your weight in three-ring binders each month |
| [14:22:57] | fryfrog: | does anyone know how to use dbg? |
| [14:23:19] | Dagmar: | Well,, yeah, the AC units are always quoted in BTUs, but the individual computers? No. |
| [14:23:25] | juski: | GreyFoxx: last thing I read they've got most of it to compile now IIRC |
| [14:26:25] | juski: | whoops. false memory syndrome strikes again |
| [14:27:23] | juski: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . nges;#234748 |
| [14:30:35] | GreyFoxx: | Yup, encouraging if anything else |
| [14:31:01] | GreyFoxx: | At least someone is actively working on it :) |
| [14:33:31] | Dagmar: | Oh wow that's promising |
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| [14:34:19] | Dagmar: | "We rewrote some code involving <suspicious looking variables that probably pertain to the display overlay> which didn't get it's mated code changes elsewhere" |
| [14:34:36] | Dagmar: | ...which could easily mean massive memory hemmorhaging |
| [14:35:14] | Dagmar: | Well, at least that tells me where to start digging if the blue line problem commes back |
| [14:36:22] | defend: | morning all |
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| [14:44:29] | fryfrog: | Okay, I can consistantly make my backends crash by visiting "recorded programs" in mythweb |
| [14:44:50] | fryfrog: | first visit crashes the slave be (and the page loads), second visit crashes the master be (and of course the page doesn't load) |
| [14:45:00] | Dagmar: | Time to shoot that build |
| [14:45:08] | Dagmar: | You're not using SVN HEAD are you? |
| [14:45:48] | fryfrog: | http://pastebin.ca/242638 |
| [14:45:56] | fryfrog: | no, gentoo's ebuilds |
| [14:46:04] | fryfrog: | that is the dump from the log file |
| [14:46:29] | Dagmar: | I'm about to adopt a Don't Ask Don't Tell policy on those and Ubuntu repos from god only knows where |
| [14:46:42] | Dagmar: | So what version of Myth does this ebuild use? |
| [14:47:15] | Dagmar: | Ah it doesn't matter. You should be hasseling the guy who set up the ebuild about this |
| [14:47:39] | fryfrog: | http://pastebin.ca/242640 |
| [14:48:02] | fryfrog: | I don't think its a problem with *myth* actually |
| [14:48:10] | fryfrog: | well, i mean obviously it is |
| [14:48:32] | fryfrog: | basically, getnoo uses the -fixes branch |
| [14:49:19] | fryfrog: | would appear to be p11626, from -fixes i believe? |
| [14:49:44] | Dagmar: | To me this looks like screwey compiler nonsense |
| [14:49:50] | fryfrog: | yeah, that is what i am thinking |
| [14:49:55] | fryfrog: | compiler / glibc |
| [14:50:02] | Dagmar: | If they are so much as using -O3 I'd be inclined to believe they brought it on themselves |
| [14:50:12] | fryfrog: | so i'm rebuilding "system" (which gets gcc and glibc) |
| [14:50:32] | fryfrog: | i think the ebuild *strips* all user gcc flags, so it uses the myth defaults |
| [14:50:37] | fryfrog: | and i personally use -O2 |
| [14:50:40] | Dagmar: | I don't think that's likely to help, but it might fix things so the next build of Myth doesn't get so screwed up |
| [14:51:04] | fryfrog: | well, after i rebuild system i'll recompile *world* which will get myth |
| [14:51:23] | fryfrog: | i spose i should go back and see if glibc or gcc got updated recently :/ |
| [14:51:34] | fryfrog: | the *weird* thing is that *only* mythweb can crash it :p |
| [14:51:44] | fryfrog: | it runs just fine until i fire up the ol' mythweb recorded progs |
| [14:51:50] | Dagmar: | *Someday* someone at Gentoo is going to get tired of bleeding to death and will settle down on some freaking stable packages |
| [14:52:03] | fryfrog: | we have stable :) |
| [14:52:04] | fryfrog: | well |
| [14:52:11] | fryfrog: | we have "stable" and "testing" :) |
| [14:52:31] | fryfrog: | I do have some future plans to move my linux boxes over to ubuntu server |
| [14:52:32] | Dagmar: | Yeah, and the "testing" tree I wouldn't trust to use as a weapon to embarrass a startup |
| [14:52:57] | fryfrog: | all my linux desktops use ubuntu, i like it |
| [14:53:07] | fryfrog: | but gentoo *does* have some nice advantages |
| [14:53:15] | Dagmar: | What would those be? |
| [14:53:18] | Dagmar: | Themable kernel panics? |
| [14:53:26] | fryfrog: | I can *easily* add or change an ebuild (or the program) and still use the package management system |
| [14:53:43] | Dagmar: | So basically, it makes it easier to violate best practices? |
| [14:53:47] | fryfrog: | and gentoo gets *new* stuff before anyone else :) |
| [14:54:17] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: Which means they take the brunt of any explosions. This is not a selling point in most people's eyes. |
| [14:54:23] | fryfrog: | I don't think anyone running Gentoo is using it an environtment where they need to stick to "best practices" (at least, i hope not) :) |
| [14:54:31] | Dagmar: | That's actually kinda sad |
| [14:54:41] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: someone has to figure out when things go wrong, else no one will :) |
| [14:54:43] | defend: | i personaly dont like builds :/ |
| [14:54:57] | defend: | i like my programs to actualy compile from source :o |
| [14:55:01] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: It should be people with clue. Not gentoo users. |
| [14:55:02] | Dagmar: | ;) |
| [14:55:03] | fryfrog: | But fighting this kind of stuff on a *server* isn't fun |
| [14:55:20] | fryfrog: | ahah |
| [14:55:22] | fryfrog: | thats true :) |
| [14:55:28] | Dagmar: | fryfrog; So tell me... Do you want your Myth box to work or do you want it running Gentoo. ;) |
| [14:55:29] | fryfrog: | gentoo is not for clueless users |
| [14:55:49] | fryfrog: | I know enough to get it working on gentoo, so it isn't a problem for me |
| [14:56:07] | Dagmar: | I'm running on a base of Slackware because it's convenient, but that's not why I'm arguing for best practices |
| [14:56:12] | fryfrog: | I find and fix errors when I can, and know how to deal with the ones that aren't |
| [14:56:29] | Dagmar: | There's a lot of things Gentoo does that fly in the face of best practices, even for troubleshooting environments |
| [14:56:29] | fryfrog: | Sure wouldn't suggest runnign Myth on Gentoo as your first time |
| [14:57:05] | fryfrog: | right, like making it possible for pretty much *every* system to have a totally different environment? :) |
| [14:57:09] | defend: | i liked myth on gentoo for the brief time i had it :/ |
| [14:57:18] | defend: | till i couldnt get my wireless card to work |
| [14:57:20] | defend: | lol |
| [14:57:54] | fryfrog: | rather, every system is pretty much gaurenteed to have random miscelanious versions of packages :) |
| [14:58:07] | fryfrog: | Anyway, all distros have their places |
| [14:58:34] | fryfrog: | I'm no Gentoo fanboi, I just happen to use it and know it *best* of all the distros |
| [14:58:59] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: I'm working to eliminate that for Dropline users. :) |
| [14:59:15] | Dagmar: | I'm going to make it painful and annoying for them to be throwing random versions of things in |
| [14:59:41] | defend: | lets all just use bsd :) |
| [14:59:45] | ** defend hides ** | |
| [14:59:48] | Dagmar: | Euw |
| [14:59:52] | fryfrog: | what is Dropline? |
| [14:59:59] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: Gnome stuff for Slackware users |
| [15:00:42] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [15:00:45] | Dagmar: | I'm getting kind of tired of seeing bug reports from people doing insane things to their systems that make them unstable, so I'm slowly but surely redoing the installer so that it functions as an outright replacement for slapt-get/swaret |
| [15:01:02] | fryfrog: | Slack, no there is a distro to be dissing gentoo :p |
| [15:01:22] | Dagmar: | You know how often I get crazy glibc messages like yours? |
| [15:01:27] | Dagmar: | _Never_. |
| [15:01:30] | fryfrog: | I got a Slack linux book *way* back when... I didn't recover from that for about 2 years :p |
| [15:02:11] | fryfrog: | So your slack box just works? Never have any problems or issues? |
| [15:02:41] | fryfrog: | Actually, I don't care so don't answer :) |
| [15:02:51] | GreyFoxx: | Thats the thing about slackware. It just works |
| [15:02:55] | fryfrog: | Anyone run the ubuntu "server" install ? |
| [15:02:57] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [15:03:49] | defend: | ived used slack i liked it easy setup ran well and was able to tweak it a bit |
| [15:03:54] | defend: | but its been like 2yrs |
| [15:03:55] | Dagmar: | Pat could stand to do a little bit more catchup on the 2.6.x front, because he's making Solaris look modernized, but mainly Slackware just refuses to fail |
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| [15:04:43] | fryfrog: | Well, its been since about '98 or '99 since I tried slack so maybe my dislike of it is unfounded :) |
| [15:04:44] | defend: | hey dag i got a question for ya |
| [15:05:14] | Dagmar: | eh? |
| [15:05:30] | defend: | installing slack amd64 if i have win installed already if i goto install slack will it destroy my partions do you know? |
| [15:05:46] | defend: | i am looking for a os for my lappy |
| [15:05:49] | juski: | the win? eew no get rid of that |
| [15:05:53] | fryfrog: | My *other* thought is that I have a bad video recording somewhere that is crashing it |
| [15:06:09] | GreyFoxx: | My Slackware 11.0 disks arrived in the mail the other day but I haven't had a change to install it on anything :/ |
| [15:06:12] | Dagmar: | defend: Nope. Slackware's been able to avoid any "it ate my partitions!" problems by making you use fdisk/cfdisk to set them up |
| [15:06:26] | Dagmar: | So, no automagical partition destroying GUI tools |
| [15:06:39] | defend: | to run myth i have gentoo currently but i cant get the dam ath driver to build/work properly so i would like a diff distro but dont want it to destroy my win partion |
| [15:06:46] | juski: | that's the magic of 'amek the user think & figure it out' ;) |
| [15:06:47] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: That's possible, but kind of unlikely |
| [15:06:57] | juski: | s/amek/make |
| [15:07:02] | Dagmar: | atheros is teh evil |
| [15:07:27] | Zider: | defend: I doubt it'd compile much better on any other distro |
| [15:07:53] | Dagmar: | Well, slack is shipping with gcc 3.3.6, so if it's a compiler-specific thing, it's probably less likely to screw up with Slackware |
| [15:08:03] | Dagmar: | Sorry, 3.4.6 now |
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| [15:08:52] | defend: | lol compiles/works fine on bsd :o |
| [15:08:59] | defend: | but myth doesnt |
| [15:09:00] | defend: | haha |
| [15:09:03] | Zider: | so just install another compiler |
| [15:09:05] | defend: | so i am stuck in the middle |
| [15:09:08] | Zider: | they work fine side by side |
| [15:09:29] | Dagmar: | defend: There's this little thing called "hardware support" that I like |
| [15:09:41] | defend: | ya i know but it is supported |
| [15:10:03] | defend: | but i couldnt get the dam madwifi set to build/install/load corrently |
| [15:10:06] | Dagmar: | Zider: Until you start dorking around with g++ |
| [15:10:15] | Zider: | Dagmar: "dorking around"? |
| [15:10:20] | Dagmar: | defend: That would be because the madwifi driver is bufu |
| [15:10:44] | Dagmar: | Zider: Just about any little change to g++ (because it's tied to libstdc++.so) tends to make C++ apps start sparking and smoking |
| [15:12:03] | Dagmar: | This is one of the reasons I prefer to build my compiler suite using the latest 'stable' release, run every freaking test harness element possible against it, and then leave it forever |
| [15:12:50] | Zider: | Dagmar: well, for occasional compiling things that just doesn't work with newer compilers it's fine imo |
| [15:13:10] | Dagmar: | Through *much pain* I have learned to always investigate every little thing that even smells off-color about the output of the test harnesses for gcc and glibc |
| [15:13:10] | Zider: | I think my last installation had stuff compiled with 6 different gcc versions |
| [15:13:21] | Dagmar: | Zider: Jesus |
| [15:13:28] | Zider: | stable as a rock |
| [15:13:45] | Dagmar: | Must have all been C code, or someone went to a lot of trouble with their libstdc++ linking |
| [15:14:10] | Zider: | I doubt a complete linux system has all C code :P |
| [15:14:38] | fryfrog: | Wow, my box thinks it'll only take 5 hours to recompile "system" :) |
| [15:14:53] | Dagmar: | Don't make the logical error of assuming because the one instance worked, that anything like it will work too |
| [15:14:56] | fryfrog: | and 6 on the other |
| [15:15:04] | fryfrog: | god, world is going to be retarded :/ |
| [15:15:20] | Zider: | Dagmar: one instance? |
| [15:15:45] | Dagmar: | Zider: The one machine you're telling me was working after having things built with a buncha different versions of gcc |
| [15:15:50] | Dagmar: | In general, that is not a safe thing to do |
| [15:16:23] | Zider: | Dagmar: the one that was compiled with 6 different versions yes, as opposed to the other systems that only had about 3–4 different versions :P |
| [15:16:27] | Dagmar: | ...not unless they're almost all teeny/micro revisions |
| [15:16:38] | Zider: | 3.x -> 4.x :P |
| [15:17:27] | Dagmar: | Zider: That will work but it's not wholly safe, and I can pretty much promise you the C++ stuff was compiled with two or fewer revisions of the compiler |
| [15:18:10] | Zider: | well, it worked |
| [15:19:41] | Zider: | the laptop still works fine too |
| [15:20:11] | Dagmar: | Push it hard. It'll flake. ;) |
| [15:20:20] | Zider: | I push it hard every time I use it |
| [15:20:37] | Zider: | long uptimes and heavy loads |
| [15:21:18] | Zider: | it acted router/firewall/webserver for a while too |
| [15:21:32] | Dagmar: | I'll still stick with using one version of the compiler because I don't have to even worry about ABI change issues |
| [15:22:10] | Zider: | I only encountered one ABI problem that I know of.. xorg and the nvidia driver :P |
| [15:22:30] | Dagmar: | Oh they get better |
| [15:23:00] | Dagmar: | Try building your kernel modules with a version of gcc other than what you build the main kernel with sometime |
| [15:23:22] | Dagmar: | Or build a Firefox/Mozilla plugin with a different version of the compiler than Firefox was built with |
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| [15:23:41] | Dagmar: | Theres plenty of places the stuff can go foul |
| [15:23:55] | Zider: | I always rebuild kernel andmodules at the same time.. or rather, genkernel does it for me ;) |
| [15:25:17] | Zider: | still, I haven't encountered anything |
| [15:26:28] | Dagmar: | Good for you |
| [15:26:36] | Dagmar: | It doesn't mean it's not risky |
| [15:26:46] | Dagmar: | Theres' plenty of places that will blow up |
| [15:26:47] | Zider: | never said it wasn't.. ;) |
| [15:26:56] | Dagmar: | All it means is that your build is carefully stepping around the potholes |
| [15:27:02] | Zider: | still, if it's only for compiling one thing, the risk is minimal |
| [15:27:13] | juski: | ouch. just looked at a slack mythtv howto & they didn't mention a thing about dependencies! |
| [15:27:23] | juski: | anyway.. time for the dentist :( |
| [15:27:26] | Dagmar: | There's a slack howto for this? |
| [15:27:28] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [15:27:45] | Zider: | juski: I have a dremel, I'll fix your teeth |
| [15:27:46] | Dagmar: | juski: You have to know that Slackware users are expected to be able to figure out dependencies on their own. ;) |
| [15:29:46] | Dagmar: | Yuuuck |
| [15:29:47] | Dagmar: | Now I see it |
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| [15:30:00] | Dagmar: | Someone needs to slap this guy with the CPAN stick |
| [15:30:28] | Dagmar: | juski: You weren't talkgin about http://home.comcast.net/~homebrewracing/Mythtv.txt were you? |
| [15:43:42] | Pryon: | Argh. ivtv upgraded to 8.0 in debian unstable => I guess I'm going to kernel 2.6.18 |
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| [16:23:39] | juski: | Dagmar: yeah that was the one |
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| [16:27:18] | Dagmar: | juski: That thing is _ancient_ |
| [16:27:24] | Dagmar: | It talks about ivtv version 0.1.7 |
| [16:27:49] | juski: | I noticed it also talks about mythtv 0.14 :) |
| [16:28:07] | BULLE: | hehe |
| [16:29:54] | coffee88: | my mythtv box has been working flawlessly for about a year, but now random complete lockups. no software change. i'm thinking hardware issues? |
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| [16:30:26] | juski: | coffee88: sounds like your flangeriser module needs a new grommet or 2 |
| [16:30:45] | coffee88: | that's lucky. i've spares of those... |
| [16:31:12] | Dagmar: | Maybe you need to reseat some of the transistors on the CPU |
| [16:31:25] | juski: | I watched an episode of BSG once – that's how I know all the tech speak ;) |
| [16:31:30] | coffee88: | a hammer works for that, dunnit? |
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| [16:31:46] | Dagmar: | But yeah, if there's been zero software changes it pretty much has to be software unless one of your partitions is full, or it's time for a thorough fsck'ing |
| [16:32:40] | coffee88: | might have to do that. sigh. memory or disk, i wonder... or MB, or novat or powersupply... sigh. |
| [16:32:45] | juski: | definitely time for me to head to the dentaliser. I just hope he's not gonna send me to the real sadist.. the hygienist.. she is evil incarnate |
| [16:33:01] | dev: | brush your teef! |
| [16:33:07] | juski: | she may aswell use a blimmin Dremel |
| [16:33:14] | dev: | and dont forget flossing |
| [16:33:25] | dev: | those 2 things make the trip to the hygeinist real quick |
| [16:33:31] | juski: | dev: all well & good but it's never enough for those bastards |
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| [16:33:45] | juski: | anyway... |
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| [17:15:03] | juski: | whee that was nice for a change |
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| [17:23:27] | stillman: | will a P4 2.4ghz and a nvidia geforce 7600gs be enough to display 1080p via DVI>HDMI? im getting the new LG47LB2RF full hd LCD |
| [17:24:21] | fryfrog: | I do HD with dual xeon 2.4ghz |
| [17:24:29] | fryfrog: | with a GF4 Ti4200 |
| [17:24:44] | fryfrog: | I suspect P4 2.4ghz would be enough, but relativly close |
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| [17:25:06] | fryfrog: | especially in the old P4 lines |
| [17:25:22] | Chicago: | Is mythphone supposed to work if I'm watching TV and a call comes in? Or do they goto voicemail? |
| [17:25:39] | stillman: | ok, thanks fryfrog |
| [17:25:58] | fryfrog: | I doubt my second cpu adds much :) |
| [17:26:25] | stillman: | is that with xvmc? |
| [17:26:33] | fryfrog: | no, i don't use xvmc |
| [17:26:54] | fryfrog: | I tried it once and my OSD was in greyscale. Since it didn't seem to add much for me, I stopped caring |
| [17:26:57] | fryfrog: | maybe some day i'll try |
| [17:27:17] | Zider: | isn't a 7600 atad overkill? :P |
| [17:27:23] | Chicago: | If MythPhone doesn't interrupt me while I'm watching TV or a recording or listening to music... then should I have two instances of myth running and always keep one of them open to mythphone? |
| [17:27:24] | fryfrog: | oh yeah, good point |
| [17:27:30] | Paladine: | my week just got 500% more complex :/ |
| [17:27:46] | fryfrog: | If it is pci-e, I'd go for something in the 6300 range ish. |
| [17:27:55] | stillman: | ive got agp |
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| [17:28:09] | Zider: | fryfrog: 6200 should be enough too |
| [17:28:11] | fryfrog: | oh agp? |
| [17:28:21] | fryfrog: | you'd be okay with a 5700FX? |
| [17:28:25] | fryfrog: | er, 5200FX? |
| [17:28:29] | fryfrog: | er, 5300FX? |
| [17:28:40] | fryfrog: | which is the GF5 based one that is recommended ? |
| [17:28:47] | Paladine: | 5200FX I think they did a 5700FX too |
| [17:28:48] | fryfrog: | should be in the $25–40 range I think |
| [17:29:04] | fryfrog: | it takes practically nothing video card wise :) |
| [17:29:11] | stillman: | ok, the 7600 had hdtv printed on the box :) |
| [17:29:17] | stillman: | cool |
| [17:29:20] | fryfrog: | Better to save a few $$ on video card and spend it on better CPU or bigger HD |
| [17:29:25] | fryfrog: | and HD i mean "hard drive" |
| [17:29:31] | fryfrog: | though i guess you could go for a bigger tv too |
| [17:29:38] | Paladine: | and bigger he means terabit raid5 |
| [17:29:53] | fryfrog: | All *computer* video cards since like... 2000? have been HD capable |
| [17:30:07] | fryfrog: | you just need to run 1280x720 resolution *or better* to be HD :) |
| [17:30:11] | stillman: | so the hardware requirements for full hd 1080p are not very high then basically a pentium 4 with a decent video card? |
| [17:30:28] | stillman: | oh i see |
| [17:30:30] | fryfrog: | the cpu req's are more important than video |
| [17:30:43] | fryfrog: | I mean, think about it. I've been running my desktop at 1280x1024 for 5 years or so |
| [17:30:58] | stillman: | true |
| [17:31:07] | fryfrog: | Also, there is no 1080p content to play, afaik |
| [17:31:20] | fryfrog: | unless you buy a PC HD-DVD or Blu-Ray and *don't* use linux :) |
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| [17:32:03] | stillman: | yep :) i just want it to be future proof |
| [17:32:08] | fryfrog: | ah, gotcha |
| [17:32:18] | fryfrog: | Are you building from scratch? Or have some parts you are trying to re-use? |
| [17:32:58] | stillman: | i have a creative slix pentium 4 i was going to try to get dvi->hdmi working |
| [17:33:06] | fryfrog: | Ah |
| [17:33:16] | fryfrog: | I dunno what a creative slix is :) |
| [17:33:24] | fryfrog: | does it have a DVI port on it? |
| [17:33:33] | fryfrog: | or is taht why you picked the GF7600? |
| [17:33:44] | stillman: | no i have no video card with dvi yet |
| [17:33:46] | stillman: | yep |
| [17:33:48] | fryfrog: | also, buy your dvi->hdmi cable online |
| [17:33:58] | fryfrog: | at best buy, they are like $100. online, $5 |
| [17:35:08] | stillman: | :) |
| [17:35:15] | juski: | bah but the online ones won't be 'special' premium ones ;) |
| [17:35:44] | fryfrog: | thats true :) |
| [17:35:50] | fryfrog: | no gold contacts |
| [17:36:00] | fryfrog: | no special blibity bobbers |
| [17:36:04] | stillman: | will there be much quality difference if i use vga->vga instead of dvi->hdmi? because i have a geforce with vga out in the box already |
| [17:36:18] | fryfrog: | Does the TV have a vga in port? |
| [17:36:23] | stillman: | yep |
| [17:36:28] | fryfrog: | Then try it :) |
| [17:36:34] | fryfrog: | Again, think about TV vs. Monitor |
| [17:36:43] | fryfrog: | 1280x1024 looks *fine* on a monitor over VGA |
| [17:36:50] | stillman: | i will but can i expect a difference if i buy dvi instead? |
| [17:36:54] | fryfrog: | HD is wimpier than that, so you'd almost certainly be fine |
| [17:37:05] | stillman: | hehe ok :) |
| [17:37:08] | fryfrog: | I doubt it, unless you sit like 5 inches from the screen |
| [17:37:25] | fryfrog: | It might also depend on which has the better Analog to Digital converter |
| [17:37:41] | fryfrog: | If your TV has a crappy one and the video card's is better, vga *might* look better |
| [17:37:53] | fryfrog: | if the TV has a great one, and your computer's sucks... DVI might look better |
| [17:37:55] | stillman: | thanks! then i will not buy anything additional before i have the the tv at home and have tested with current hardware |
| [17:38:22] | fryfrog: | but usually people have to look *real* hard to see the diff between VGA and DVI on LCD monitors. And you sit only a foot or so from one of *them* |
| [17:38:50] | fryfrog: | Yeah, wait until you get the TV to start testing |
| [17:38:56] | stillman: | yea, cool. thanks for the help! |
| [17:38:58] | fryfrog: | My TV only had HDMI input, so I was forced to use it |
| [17:39:10] | fryfrog: | course even my old GF4 had a DVI output so it was no biggie |
| [17:39:27] | fryfrog: | But I got a tube based TV, so thats still analog :) |
| [17:39:41] | stillman: | :) |
| [17:39:44] | Dagmar: | Think of it as "theft proof" |
| [17:39:48] | fryfrog: | bwhahaha |
| [17:39:49] | fryfrog: | christ |
| [17:39:58] | fryfrog: | thing thing is so heavy i almost crapped myself getting it in |
| [17:40:03] | fryfrog: | 30" WS Tube TV :/ |
| [17:40:05] | Dagmar: | I have a 29" TV. |
| [17:40:09] | fryfrog: | FS or WS? |
| [17:40:22] | Dagmar: | Yep. We're in the same boat. Anyone desperate enough to steal it is probably healthy and agile enough to get real work |
| [17:40:29] | fryfrog: | ahaha |
| [17:40:35] | Zider: | mine is 32" |
| [17:40:37] | fryfrog: | Also, I have another anti-theft system. Our dog |
| [17:40:43] | Zider: | weighs about 55 kilos |
| [17:40:48] | fryfrog: | It won't scare or bite or even try and keep you out of the house |
| [17:41:01] | fryfrog: | but once you pick up the TV and try to start walking, he'll *surely* get in your way and trip you |
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| [17:41:15] | fryfrog: | or at least climb in the car while you are loading it up and go home with you |
| [17:42:02] | juski: | oh ffs.. can't believe someone put a mythtv howto on a geocities page |
| [17:42:25] | Zider: | geocities? do they still exist? |
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| [17:42:34] | juski: | yep |
| [17:42:42] | juski: | owned by yahoo now I believe |
| [17:42:46] | Zider: | eww |
| [17:42:52] | Dagmar: | Script kiddies have to host their trojans *somewhere* |
| [17:43:05] | Zider: | no? ;) |
| [17:46:28] | opello: | lol |
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| [17:58:13] | maxflax: | I just bought a twinhan tvcard.. is it easy to install drivers for it in linux? |
| [17:58:13] | Hoxzer: | lol, I just manage to buy my self gay looking glasses |
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| [17:59:13] | Hoxzer: | :D Now when some guy with leather pants comes to ask me something I have to explain that it is not that easy to choose glasses when you have bad vision |
| [18:01:04] | juski: | Hoxzer: might have had something to do with the yellow hankerchief hanging out of your back pocket too |
| [18:01:31] | maxflax: | or does it exist drivers for twinhan cards in linux even? |
| [18:02:05] | Hoxzer: | whaat... no no I dont have ... anything like that *puts hankerchief to pocket* |
| [18:05:07] | juski: | to install drivers for any card just find the setup.exe file & double click on it, yes? |
| [18:05:25] | juski: | I'm kidding btw |
| [18:05:51] | juski: | depends on your distro. some will autodetect the card & automagically load the drivers |
| [18:06:18] | juski: | other times you need to find/compile/install/load kernel drivers yourself |
| [18:06:37] | ivor: | and the rest of the time you'll have to write them yourself.... |
| [18:06:45] | juski: | ivor: hahaha |
| [18:06:49] | ivor: | :) |
| [18:07:31] | juski: | btw you know how I got a frenchy radio station in my car? well tonight my radio was tuned to the same frequency... suddenly Classic FM came belting in. the frenchy had wiped over the local classic FM freq! |
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| [18:08:45] | maxflax: | juski, where do I find out if there exists binaries drivers for my card or the source so I can compile it myself? |
| [18:08:48] | juski: | such is the power of tropospheric ducting :) So er.. it's totally conceivable that this unusual atmospheric stuff is causing folks issues on TV |
| [18:09:08] | juski: | maxflax: 1. what distro are you running. 2. which kernel? |
| [18:09:26] | juski: | 3. does www.linuxtv.org list your card in the DVB wiki they have? |
| [18:09:31] | maxflax: | juski, Ubuntu and a own 2.6.18.1 kernel |
| [18:09:48] | juski: | ubuntu usually just picks stuff up & loads the modules itself |
| [18:09:50] | Paladine: | bwahahaha I just inherited 20 free pc cases :) |
| [18:11:00] | juski: | maxflax: check /dev & see if there are any dvb/adapter devices in there – if so, ubuntu has picked up your card ok |
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| [18:13:14] | maxflax: | juski, ok! well I haven't installed the pci card into the mobo yet.. and conserning the presence of my card on that list! well there was 2 twinhan ... not the one im using thou.. "going to use" |
| [18:13:52] | maxflax: | juski, this card is the only one I could find that would accept a CI module so I can view pay channels with a smartcard reader |
| [18:20:00] | juski: | oof. dunno how you go on with CI modules |
| [18:20:43] | maxflax: | dont u watch pay channels in uk? |
| [18:23:40] | juski: | nah. nothing worth watching on our DVB-T pay tv channels |
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| [18:29:58] | GreyFoxx: | Try #mythtv-users |
| [18:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | oops |
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| [18:33:31] | dennister: | hello ppls...i am very glad this channel is here; i'm having a problem with the frontend not talking to the Master Backend and i don't know what to do, tried searches to no avail |
| [18:35:54] | dennister: | permission to talk? |
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| [18:42:30] | juski: | heh. as if you need to ask permission to talk in here. nobody's _that_ bad surely |
| [18:42:39] | maxflax: | lol |
| [18:43:19] | maxflax: | ordered a new soundcard.. im sicken tired of my recent one not working as it should |
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| [18:43:49] | maxflax: | I hope alsa will find the digital outputs on the new one! :/ |
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| [18:52:25] | kormoc: | maxflax, you could research before buying... |
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| [19:04:04] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: do you have access to post on the mythtv-dev mailing list? |
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| [19:04:22] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer-, nopers |
| [19:04:54] | SlicerDicer-: | drat |
| [19:05:08] | SlicerDicer-: | I need something posted there... |
| [19:05:33] | SlicerDicer-: | new model/vendor id's for the external firewire channel changer that allows the 6416 model III to work :) |
| [19:06:01] | kormoc: | you could just spawn a trac ticket with the info |
| [19:06:04] | kormoc: | or bug xris |
| [19:06:22] | SlicerDicer-: | good idea |
| [19:06:40] | ** SlicerDicer- acts like a flea on xris to get his attention ;-) ** | |
| [19:06:45] | SlicerDicer-: | nah I will just use the trac ticket |
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| [19:08:50] | dennister: | permission to talk? |
| [19:10:17] | dennister: | !op |
| [19:11:26] | SlicerDicer-: | there we go kormoc |
| [19:12:51] | kormoc: | dennister, erm... first of all, don't ask to talk, just talk |
| [19:13:12] | kormoc: | dennister, and second, don't try to get ops, that's unpolite and just stupid |
| [19:13:27] | dennister: | sorry...i wasn't allowed to earlier, and then i saw chanserv give permission to someone |
| [19:13:54] | kormoc: | sure, if they're on the chanserv op list |
| [19:14:13] | dennister: | i've been having a bit of a problem with my client, too, so that may have caused my confusion |
| [19:14:44] | dennister: | oh, well, i'm very glad to be here, as i've been doing my searching in other sources, and am coming up empty |
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| [19:15:56] | dennister: | this is a new installation with kubuntu edgy...and the backend and frontend can't find/talk to each other |
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| [19:17:19] | dennister: | there also seems to be some confusion about starting/stopping the backend, as the mythtv documentation says to use one command that's not even found on my system: /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop |
| [19:17:59] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: yeah I got the 6416 working with the channel changer in contrib figured that it would be nice to have it added incase anybody else uses that box |
| [19:18:08] | kormoc: | yes, you are using ubuntu, and they decided to not use the standard init, so you'll need ot talk to them about how to handle that |
| [19:18:10] | SlicerDicer-: | otherwise it sucks when it says it cant find it :) |
| [19:18:15] | kormoc: | aye |
| [19:18:44] | dennister: | oh dear...very few ubuntu users are using edgy or mythtv |
| [19:20:35] | dennister: | not sure if they'll be able to help me either... |
| [19:21:12] | SlicerDicer-: | dennister: do /etc/init.d/myth-backend or something |
| [19:21:15] | SlicerDicer-: | I think thats what they use |
| [19:21:25] | SlicerDicer-: | or better yet use tab-completion after typing myth |
| [19:21:32] | SlicerDicer-: | ;-) |
| [19:21:35] | dennister: | k..will try |
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| [19:23:28] | dennister: | great: my old friend/error message: Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Could not open network socket |
| [19:23:57] | dennister: | it's this network socket that's been bedeviling me almost from the get-go |
| [19:24:23] | kormoc: | are you running it as root? |
| [19:24:49] | dennister: | yes, i use the sudo initial command |
| [19:25:33] | dennister: | as i've been told to do...see the naming inconsistency pop up again? |
| [19:25:54] | kormoc: | if it's been sudoed, it's fine |
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| [19:27:30] | juski: | dennister: sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend ;) |
| [19:28:32] | juski: | dennister: the mythtv-database package creates the mysql user called 'mythtv' when you install it. As it does that it generates a random password for that mysql user. You can find out what the password is by looking in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [19:29:10] | dennister: | no matter what i do, i get an error...i just tried the -force-reload option...yes juski, i've been looking at that |
| [19:29:34] | juski: | you could copy the /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt file to the .mythtv directory inside the user's home directory – the user you're trying to get mythtv-setup to run as... |
| [19:30:19] | juski: | now you _are_ trying to run mythtv-setup before you run mythbackend aren't you? or have you already done that? |
| [19:31:20] | dennister: | before i came into this channel the error messages suggested that i change the hostname, so i did, by making sure both the /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt file and the ,user>/~/,mythtv/mysql.txt files were identical and properly changed |
| [19:31:46] | juski: | you'll need to run mythtv-setup again if you've changed the hostname |
| [19:31:48] | dennister: | i've already done the mythtv-setup, then started mythtvbackend |
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| [19:32:07] | juski: | or see the section of the docs about changing your hostname :) |
| [19:32:10] | dennister: | i did do the mythtv-setup again after changing the hostname |
| [19:32:22] | juski: | right and could that connect to the database okay? |
| [19:32:24] | dennister: | yes...i've saw that section :) |
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| [19:32:37] | dennister: | seen* |
| [19:33:14] | dennister: | lol...i'm sooooo close! after 3 months of trying so many distros and so many tvapps |
| [19:34:43] | dennister: | anyway...i'm going to start again with the hostname stuff, shutting everything down...if i can |
| [19:35:35] | juski: | and don't forget that if you change anything major like the hostname you'll prolly need to restart mythbackend ;) |
| [19:35:41] | fryfrog: | Anyone ever heard of a software text reader that can make the cylon voice? |
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| [19:36:01] | spiderworm: | anyone here using mythtv as user mythtv? |
| [19:36:15] | GreyFoxx: | spiderworm: I think many do. |
| [19:36:16] | GreyFoxx: | I do |
| [19:36:27] | spiderworm: | my tutorial that i followed... forever ago told me to create a different user and use mythtv as that user |
| [19:36:29] | fryfrog: | I think that is the default :) |
| [19:36:31] | dennister: | see, i can't stop mythtv-backend...but i'll jsut have to assume it's not running to begin with,...trial and error |
| [19:36:36] | spiderworm: | but im thinking about logging in as mythtv now |
| [19:36:41] | spiderworm: | just to be contrary |
| [19:36:41] | GreyFoxx: | I have a "mythtv" user on all my frontends and that is what I run the frontend as |
| [19:36:47] | fryfrog: | spiderworm: 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other |
| [19:36:50] | dennister: | cya soon with a report |
| [19:36:54] | spiderworm: | thanks |
| [19:36:58] | fryfrog: | spiderworm: if your current setup works, no reason to change. |
| [19:36:59] | fysa: | what's the proper way to pipe make output to a file? make >blah.log doesn't pipe all the errors that appear. |
| [19:37:01] | juski: | most init scripts have mythbackend running as the mythtv user |
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| [19:37:11] | juski: | fysa: tee |
| [19:37:20] | fryfrog: | And I have my X setup to auto-login as mythtv |
| [19:37:34] | spiderworm: | fryfrog: well it stopped working the other day when mythbackend was trying to write something to /home/tellim/.qt, which it couldnt do |
| [19:37:35] | fryfrog: | and mythtv user has a cronjob that checks every minute for a running fe and if not, starts it |
| [19:37:42] | fryfrog: | spiderworm: ahhh! |
| [19:37:49] | fryfrog: | good reason to switch to mythtv login :) |
| [19:38:01] | spiderworm: | and then i had to search the internet and set HOME=/home/mythtv or soemthing like that in the init script |
| [19:38:11] | fryfrog: | should be okay just copying the dirs in your *old* user and chowning it to mythtv |
| [19:38:22] | spiderworm: | and i was like, wtf... this wouldnt happen if i was running as mythtv |
| [19:38:24] | fysa: | aha thanks |
| [19:38:48] | fysa: | it's not catching everything :/ |
| [19:39:07] | fysa: | dbsettings.o:(.data.rel.ro._ZTC17TransientComboBox112_12Configurable[vtable for TransientComboBox]+0x1e8): undefined reference to `virtual thunk to Configurable::qt_property(int, int, QVariant*)' |
| [19:39:19] | fysa: | those errors aren't going properly |
| [19:43:54] | fryfrog: | Does anyone have their myth setup to create some psp/ipod compatible transcodes of shows? |
| [19:44:40] | ** juski does not own an Ipoo ** | |
| [19:44:59] | juski: | heard tell of a script called myth2ipod though |
| [19:45:08] | fryfrog: | I don't have one that does video, but I was wondering what would be involved |
| [19:45:19] | fryfrog: | why would you just setup a transcode "job" with the correct settings? |
| [19:46:12] | fryfrog: | my thought is, maybe someday i'd do video on a ds lite or something |
| [19:46:12] | juski: | probably because the video Ipoo is limited in the file formats it can play back |
| [19:46:22] | spiderworm: | juski: hey, i poo too! what a coincidence! |
| [19:46:27] | fryfrog: | That is what custom jobs are for, no? |
| [19:46:35] | juski: | yup |
| [19:46:40] | fryfrog: | k |
| [19:47:03] | juski: | you can use stuff like nuvexport to do files on a case by case basis or make your own user jobs or scripts |
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| [19:47:50] | juski: | oh look : http://www.myth2ipod.com/ |
| [19:48:03] | fryfrog: | yar, reading that now actually :) |
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| [19:48:35] | juski: | 8-O ... nice theme there!!!!!!! |
| [19:48:40] | fryfrog: | Well, good place to read |
| [19:49:02] | fryfrog: | hey, that is nice looking! |
| [19:49:28] | juski: | 'nearing completion'.. I saw teaser screenshots of that theme ages ago |
| [19:50:35] | juski: | argghh! "It dose not obey .title-safe. areas so, over-scan will require template tweaking if you wish to use this over component video." |
| [19:50:45] | juski: | what a shame |
| [19:51:09] | juski: | like go on, ignore the theme design guide... ach well |
| [19:51:35] | juski: | even some TVs with HDMI inputs overscan.. if not most |
| [19:52:19] | fryfrog: | Mine does |
| [19:52:31] | fryfrog: | I didn't know any *didn't* since TV signals are designed with overscan in mind |
| [19:52:53] | fryfrog: | I saw a diagram once that tv show and commercial designers are basically required to follow |
| [19:53:01] | juski: | not in the mood to send a polite "nice theme, pity you didn't follow the mythtv theme design guide" email |
| [19:53:27] | fysa: | can you set GUI size to less than resolution and center? |
| [19:53:31] | juski: | yeah the 'title safe' and 'action safe' areas ;) |
| [19:53:35] | juski: | course you can |
| [19:53:37] | fryfrog: | yar, that! |
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| [19:54:00] | fryfrog: | I had to on mine, it overscanned *way* to much and I couldn't find a good modescan line |
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| [19:54:06] | fryfrog: | cardoe! |
| [19:54:11] | Cardoe: | howdy |
| [19:54:13] | Cardoe: | how's it going? |
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| [19:54:19] | juski: | it's a bit of a bitch to do at the moment, but I heard a rumour it's gonna get much easier ;) |
| [19:54:31] | fryfrog: | not bad, was hoping you'd look at a pastebin of log |
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| [19:54:45] | kslater: | Anyone using an EPIA SP-13000 for a system? |
| [19:54:51] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: sure |
| [19:54:51] | kslater: | besides me |
| [19:55:08] | juski: | just noticed something else about that theme which could be bad for plasmas... the black border at the top... whoops |
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| [19:55:47] | fryfrog: | At this point in time, I can crash my backends simply by visiting mythweb's "recorded programs" section. First visit crashes my slave be, second visit crashes the master be. Log here: http://pastebin.ca/242640 |
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| [19:56:12] | fryfrog: | currently, I am doing "emerge -e system && emerge -e system" which I'll follow up with emerge -e world's |
| [19:56:21] | fryfrog: | but i was hoping you might have some feedback too :) |
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| [19:56:55] | spiderworm: | anyone know if it is possible to make kdm start into mythfrontend instead of kde? |
| [19:57:07] | spiderworm: | or does mythfrontend have to run on top of kde or gnome? |
| [19:57:54] | juski: | spiderworm: mythfrontend doesn't even need a window manager, but it's advisable that you use one. you can use something much lighter than gnome or kde though.. e.g. fluxbox |
| [19:58:42] | spiderworm: | juski: well i want to be able to go into kde on this computer from time to time.... can i add mythfrontend to the kdm sessoin menu somehow? |
| [19:59:00] | spiderworm: | and that way, when logging in, choose if im going into kde, gnome, or mythfrontend? |
| [19:59:02] | fryfrog: | spiderworm: there is an easy way to do that |
| [19:59:10] | spiderworm: | oooh i like easy ways |
| [19:59:14] | fryfrog: | spiderworm: I use gdm, which has an "auto-login" feature, so it logs in as mythtv |
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| [19:59:25] | fryfrog: | spiderworm: my "default" session is fluxbox, nice and light weight |
| [19:59:29] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: oo very nice error |
| [19:59:37] | fryfrog: | then a cron script checks to see if mythfe is running, and if not starts it |
| [19:59:53] | fryfrog: | so, that way you can always log out and in as another user, and mythfe won't pop up on screen |
| [19:59:58] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: I've got a much better solution then that. |
| [20:00:08] | dennister: | hello again: i think i found the source of the problem: no network socket exists |
| [20:00:08] | Cardoe: | oh |
| [20:00:09] | fryfrog: | and of course, if you *want* kde or gnome as mythtv, you can change the session |
| [20:00:15] | Cardoe: | well this is for a dedicated myth box |
| [20:00:21] | fryfrog: | Cardoe: oh? I thought it might be due to a gcc/glibc issue |
| [20:00:33] | fryfrog: | Cardoe: what is your solution? the inittab? |
| [20:00:39] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: yep |
| [20:00:46] | fryfrog: | starting X *as* mythtv, putting frontend into initrc? |
| [20:00:48] | fryfrog: | er, xinitrc? |
| [20:00:54] | Cardoe: | yep |
| [20:00:57] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [20:01:04] | Cardoe: | That was my solution from ages and ages and ages ago |
| [20:01:06] | fryfrog: | yeah, prolly a better dedicated box |
| [20:01:13] | fryfrog: | yeah, i recall from your dev page :) |
| [20:01:36] | Cardoe: | but my bash_profile checks to see if it's tty8 that's logging in and starts X if it is. |
| [20:01:42] | Cardoe: | then it logs out |
| [20:01:42] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [20:01:48] | dennister: | the /var/run/mysqld/ directory is empty...no mysqld.sock that the database is trying to connect to |
| [20:02:02] | fryfrog: | start mysql? |
| [20:02:14] | GreyFoxx: | that;s basically what I do, I start X as mythtv from my init scripts, .xinitrc launches my nvidia settings stuff and then my window manager, and the window manager starts the frontend |
| [20:02:18] | dennister: | brb |
| [20:02:47] | fryfrog: | GreyFoxx: what does your tv output? |
| [20:02:51] | fryfrog: | svideo, component, etc? |
| [20:02:55] | GreyFoxx: | Svideo |
| [20:02:59] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [20:03:01] | Cardoe: | GreyFoxx: you start X from init.d? |
| [20:03:09] | GreyFoxx: | rc.local (Slackware) |
| [20:03:17] | Cardoe: | http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/files/mythtv/ |
| [20:03:20] | GreyFoxx: | well I lie, actually rc.pvr which is called from rc.local |
| [20:03:34] | GreyFoxx: | if ! grep noautologin /proc/cmdline 1> /dev/null 2> /dev/null ; then |
| [20:03:34] | GreyFoxx: | echo "Launching XWindows" |
| [20:03:34] | GreyFoxx: | su – mythtv -c "bash -l startx — -dpi 100" & |
| [20:03:34] | GreyFoxx: | fi |
| [20:03:44] | spiderworm: | so basically in order to get to myfrontend from kdm or gdm, i will still need to start up a window manager and then start mythfrontend within the WM? |
| [20:03:45] | GreyFoxx: | That's the end of my rc.pvr script |
| [20:04:11] | GreyFoxx: | I can disable autologin at the lilo prompt, or even disable the pvr script at all if I have the need |
| [20:04:50] | Cardoe: | spiderworm: I usually start the WM after.. |
| [20:05:03] | Cardoe: | spiderworm: and background off the WM |
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| [20:12:46] | GreyFoxx: | If anyone is interested here are my various myth related init scripts for launching everything as well as reseting my video settings after an external app (like an emulator) has closed . http://pastebin.ca/242861 |
| [20:14:03] | dennister: | anyone know how to get mysql server to actually create the mysql.sock file? |
| [20:15:45] | dennister: | i can't even get a version number for mysql |
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| [20:19:25] | _are_: | dennister: you checked the logs? and if you do ps ax| grep mysql, is there a mysqld running? |
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| [20:20:15] | spiderworm: | i changed the user id of my mythtv user... does anyone know to quickly update all of mythtv's files & folders with the new user id? |
| [20:21:50] | Hoxzer: | :D LOL |
| [20:22:01] | Hoxzer: | national tv caugh my father at public sauna :DD |
| [20:22:09] | spiderworm: | w00t |
| [20:22:10] | Hoxzer: | he was in news a moment ago |
| [20:22:34] | GreyFoxx: | Is he famous or something ? |
| [20:22:44] | GreyFoxx: | Some reason why they would put him on the news ?:) |
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| [20:23:23] | Hoxzer: | :DD no ... not really |
| [20:24:26] | Hoxzer: | some swedish speaking guy just came there with camera |
| [20:24:32] | Hoxzer: | or with camera man |
| [20:24:42] | Hoxzer: | :D my dad was just "Jag heter Eero" |
| [20:28:36] | _are_: | spiderworm: generally, will give a few errors in /prox and so on: find / -uid OLDID -print0 | xargs -0 chown mythtv |
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| [20:34:17] | spiderworm: | _are_: thanks |
| [20:34:29] | spiderworm: | _are_: someone in ##linux suggested: find -uid oldnum -exec chown username {} ; |
| [20:34:32] | spiderworm: | what do you think? |
| [20:39:16] | spiderworm: | /usr/include/qt3/qgl.h:79:20: error: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory <--- anyone know what package gl.h will come with? |
| [20:39:27] | spiderworm: | mesa-dev? opengl-dev? |
| [20:42:54] | cesman: | use you package manager (if you have one) to tell you... |
| [20:43:04] | cesman: | s/you/your |
| [20:44:55] | spiderworm: | cesman: um like ok so like maybe apt-cache search gl.h would tell me or something? |
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| [20:54:35] | stuarta: | evening all |
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| [21:01:51] | scopeuk: | evnin |
| [21:03:20] | AxelT: | hello there ^^ |
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| [21:14:19] | AxelT: | May I ask a question about installation issues here? |
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| [21:14:52] | stuarta: | that's what this channel is here for... |
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| [21:17:59] | AxelT: | Just wanted to be sure :p |
| [21:18:56] | AxelT: | I'm trying to setup MythTV then, emerged it fine (gentoo) at version 0.20. I ran mythtv-setup, left all settings concerning ports as default |
| [21:19:14] | AxelT: | However, when I start mythtvbackend, it doesn't say anything about listening on these ports |
| [21:20:25] | AxelT: | and a netstat -a indicated a port 32768 open O_o. When I kill mythbackend this port disappears, and when I run it again the port goes to 32769, and so on, everytime I kill/restart it it increments the port number by one. Very weird behaviour. |
| [21:20:46] | AxelT: | Obviously, mythfilldatabase and mythfrontend won't connect :) |
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| [21:22:05] | stuarta: | did you put the hostname or ip address in for the backend setting |
| [21:23:17] | AxelT: | ip adress only |
| [21:23:36] | AxelT: | wether it is 127.0.0.1 ou 10.0.1.4 (the machine's ip) it will produce the same results |
| [21:24:10] | stuarta: | the port you are looking for is 6543 & 6544 |
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| [21:25:04] | kormoc: | AxelT, no firewall/selinux? |
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| [21:27:23] | dmwarren: | hello |
| [21:28:13] | dmwarren: | I have a questiopn |
| [21:28:16] | AxelT: | kormoc, nah, it's a pretty vanilla linux, installed it yesterday |
| [21:28:55] | kormoc: | well, that can depend on the distro, fedora ships with selinux and a firewall by default |
| [21:29:11] | dmwarren: | does anyone know how to reincorporate their videos back into the mythdb |
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| [21:29:41] | AxelT: | kormoc: gentoo doesn't come with selinux at all. |
| [21:29:55] | kormoc: | well, unless you emerge it, true enough |
| [21:30:05] | kormoc: | but you never said gentoo before, so it was a valid question :P |
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| [21:30:22] | dmwarren: | does anyone know how to reincorporate their videos back into the mythdb? |
| [21:31:03] | charlieS: | dmwarren: go into settings->media library and it'll do it automatically. |
| [21:31:29] | kormoc: | charlieS, that depends if he wants them into mythvideo or into the tv recordings database |
| [21:31:35] | charlieS: | tru |
| [21:31:56] | dmwarren: | I want them back into tv recordings db |
| [21:32:26] | AxelT: | kormoc, I thought I had mentionned it :p |
| [21:32:27] | charlieS: | so with transcoding enabled, myth will encode my recorded shows, right? So if I want a copy of some things, say h.264 encoded and archived into my videos.. I should set up a User Job? |
| [21:32:50] | kormoc: | AxelT, ooh, my mistake, didn't see all the other stuff before hand |
| [21:32:52] | stuarta: | dmwarren: yes you can, though you may have to make up the metadata yourself |
| [21:33:00] | AxelT: | kormoc, it's okay |
| [21:33:03] | stuarta: | charlieS: that's what they are there for. |
| [21:33:19] | charlieS: | stuarta: just making sure I understand the transcode feature |
| [21:33:49] | stuarta: | charlieS: atm the transcoder doesn't have profiles for h264, so you have to do a user job rather than a transcode. |
| [21:34:05] | dmwarren: | stuarta: how do I do it? |
| [21:34:24] | kormoc: | charlieS, sorta, mythtranscode will convert into mpeg-4 or rtjpeg, if you want other formats, nuvexport is the way to go |
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| [21:34:40] | charlieS: | stuarta: but.. the transcoder will reencode the original MPEG-2 video, right? (basically I want a copy saved as h264, but I want to watch the original once) |
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| [21:34:57] | stuarta: | dmwarren: look at existing metadata and munge it appropriately for your video, alternatively.... |
| [21:35:16] | ** charlieS googles nuvexport ** | |
| [21:35:17] | stuarta: | you could just install mythvideo, and add the recordings to the video directory |
| [21:35:54] | stuarta: | charlieS: for mpeg2->h264 i'd recommend ffmpeg.... |
| [21:36:23] | ** charlieS uses mencoder ** | |
| [21:36:31] | stuarta: | that'll do |
| [21:36:55] | charlieS: | well either way.. the question is "to encode a copy, I have to do that manually (user job) right?" |
| [21:37:04] | kormoc: | aye |
| [21:37:15] | ** charlieS wants to pristine MPEG-2 for watching _once_ :) ** | |
| [21:37:17] | charlieS: | ok, thanks! |
| [21:38:44] | dmwarren: | <stuarta>: do you know where the meta data for programs is kept? |
| [21:38:53] | charlieS: | s/to/the |
| [21:39:21] | stuarta: | dmwarren: recorded table |
| [21:40:47] | dmwarren: | stuarta: ok so I have to manually edit the recorded table in the mythconverg db? |
| [21:40:58] | kormoc: | insert into it, yes |
| [21:41:05] | stuarta: | yup. make a backup first tho. |
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| [21:41:19] | ** stuarta points out mythvideo is easier... ** | |
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| [21:42:24] | dmwarren: | ok thanks, ill give it a try. I dont want to lose every episode of "Heroes"... |
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| [21:51:39] | fryfrog: | I wish I could go forward/backward in time like Hiro so that I could watch all the episodes of Heroes |
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| [22:14:36] | mirak: | why is mythtv 0.20-fixes called fixes and not an incremental number ? |
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| [22:14:57] | juski: | just because |
| [22:15:24] | Agrajag-: | because it's not actually a release? |
| [22:15:31] | kormoc: | mirak, cause it's the actively worked on fixes, if it gets to be enough to release, it'll get bumped to 0.20.1 or similar |
| [22:15:31] | stuarta: | because 0.20 < 0.20-fixes < 0.20.1 |
| [22:15:51] | mirak: | in ubuntu edgy it's 0.20 ? |
| [22:16:02] | ** juski hides ** | |
| [22:16:15] | mirak: | why do you hide ? |
| [22:16:25] | mirak: | behave like a man ! |
| [22:16:26] | mirak: | :) |
| [22:16:29] | juski: | lol |
| [22:16:34] | ** stuarta steal the rock juski's hiding behind ** | |
| [22:17:11] | juski: | if you look at the version number closely, i.e. not just what the packager tells you, you may find it's actually 0.20-fixes |
| [22:17:29] | juski: | not saying it for definite, but it's probable |
| [22:17:53] | juski: | evening stuarta. see you've elected yourself to do the freeview playback stuff. good man! |
| [22:18:23] | mirak: | juski: how can I know exactly ? |
| [22:18:34] | mirak: | problem is that even in ubuntu there is no reference to -fixes |
| [22:18:38] | mirak: | so we don't know |
| [22:18:59] | juski: | mythfrontend --version maybe? |
| [22:19:25] | mirak: | Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3 |
| [22:19:37] | mirak: | I think it's pre-fixes then ? |
| [22:19:41] | juski: | oo so not -fixes then |
| [22:20:04] | juski: | if you really want -fixes you must use unofficial packages or build it yerself |
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| [22:25:43] | mirak: | juski: I need them |
| [22:25:52] | mirak: | to use with **** |
| [22:26:04] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow. ** | |
| [22:26:10] | juski: | ****? oh that'll be important then |
| [22:26:12] | mirak: | juski: you know an unofficial repos ? |
| [22:26:20] | juski: | google is your friend |
| [22:26:33] | juski: | and don't expect any help with **** in here |
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| [22:26:56] | mirak: | well this is for ****, with a cardreader, but you don't like to talk about that |
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| [22:27:51] | janneg: | juski: edgys mythpackage is afaik from fixes. it has proto 31 |
| [22:27:57] | mirak: | I am not sure all is illegal, because you can use it in a way the decryption happen inside the provider smartcard |
| [22:28:18] | juski: | anyway.. time for bed |
| [22:28:21] | juski: | g'night all |
| [22:28:23] | mirak: | so even here in france you don't break copyrights |
| [22:28:26] | stuarta: | nigte |
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| [22:29:48] | mirak: | it's not copyright, it's a tax on the encryption algorithm. That's why not using a card can be illegal in france, I think it's same in US. |
| [22:30:52] | mirak: | not sure for the us, the policy about strong encryption is weird. It's strange that a democraty doesn't authorise full privacy |
| [22:31:06] | mirak: | for individuals |
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| [23:20:26] | SarahEmm: | is there any way to install nuvexport on a box that doesn't have X on it? |
| [23:20:40] | ** SarahEmm is just trying to transcode a bunch of stuff off her main backend, and this box doesn't have X/Qt/etc on it... ** | |
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| [23:27:08] | maxflax: | SarahEmm, not overwhelming of responses here! :D |
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| [23:29:52] | FunkyELF: | dude...I love mythtv because I have the videos I record on my computer. Something funny happened last night on the CMA's and someonen posted it on youtube from a camcorder pointed at his TV with tivo |
| [23:29:53] | FunkyELF: | http://youtube.com/watch?v=No8xWYtIpN4 |
| [23:30:35] | kash: | wtf |
| [23:30:36] | kash: | hahaha |
| [23:30:40] | kash: | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| [23:30:40] | kash: | [Switching to Thread 46977369378016 (LWP 10371)] |
| [23:30:40] | kash: | 0x00002ab9c1ca1ba4 in QMutex::lock () from /usr/lib64/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 |
| [23:32:23] | maxflax: | kash, was it u that had problems with alsa? |
| [23:32:40] | maxflax: | FunkyELF, whats CMA? |
| [23:33:16] | kash: | yeah but not anymore |
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| [23:34:16] | maxflax: | kash, how did u fix it? |
| [23:34:40] | maxflax: | kash, u had the IRQ polling error and stuff? |
| [23:35:01] | kash: | yeah |
| [23:35:05] | kash: | it fixed itself |
| [23:35:28] | kash: | i booted with noirq |
| [23:35:30] | maxflax: | kash, hmm fixed it self.. hmm |
| [23:35:31] | kash: | it fixed it |
| [23:35:56] | maxflax: | kash, what does the noirq do? |
| [23:36:24] | kash: | i dunno |
| [23:36:25] | kash: | it works |
| [23:38:01] | maxflax: | kash, so u put noirq as a option to the kernel load? |
| [23:39:07] | Vantage13: | hi, I'm having some trouble trying to get the tv tuner picture to display properly on my tv with a pvr-150. Mythtv displays perfectly on the screen, but tv reception seems zoomed in and low resolution. I've compared the ivtvctl -a output with my working pvr-250 and they look almost identical. Any idea what setting I may need to adjust? (or mythtv setting I may need to adjust) |
| [23:40:09] | Vantage13: | I had the tuner picture working with 0.4.x of ivtv and pre 2.6.17 kernel, but now I have a 2.6.17 kernel and ivtv 0.7.1 |
| [23:40:56] | kormoc: | you could always downgrade back to what worked |
| [23:42:54] | maxflax: | Does one need a remote to the tv-card or can I do all that in mythtv with my keyboard.. I mean changing channel, looking into the programguide and ect? |
| [23:45:25] | Vantage13: | kormoc: hrmm I just booted back to the old kernel and it's the same there too now... d'oh |
| [23:46:15] | SarahEmm: | you can do it all with keyboard |
| [23:49:01] | maxflax: | SarahEmm, ok.. cause I bought my Tvcard as bulk.. without remote and stuff.. |
| [23:49:42] | ** SarahEmm nods ** | |
| [23:49:51] | ** SarahEmm 's upstairs frontend just has a wireless keyboard as the control device ** | |
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| [23:49:54] | SarahEmm: | what TV Card? |
| [23:50:16] | maxflax: | had trouble fitting the pci card into the case,, its a big one and I have a small.. well rather small HTPC case |
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| [23:50:48] | maxflax: | SarahEmm, a Twinhan mantis DVB-T.. with a CI module.. so I can watch pay channels |
| [23:51:03] | SarahEmm: | ahh *nods* |
| [23:51:40] | ** SarahEmm is still using an old bttv card.. i should upgrade one of these days. ** | |
| [23:51:55] | maxflax: | SarahEmm, the free channels are few here in sweden and there is only crap on the free ones.. so having a card is essential |
| [23:52:48] | maxflax: | SarahEmm, bttv? |
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| [23:58:40] | SarahEmm: | maxflax: bttv being a simple cheap tv card chipset |
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