Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, November 2nd, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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tryrt:

I am curious about the quality for mythtv, how is it? Like say I had a Hauppauge PVR-350 recording and a Nvidia 6600GT displaying?

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mirak:

GreyFoxx: so if you don't have an internet connection you can't scan for channels ?

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mirak:

tryrt: opposed to what ?

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tryrt:

normal tv

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tryrt:

cable

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GreyFoxx:

mirak: You do not require a net connect to scan for channels,but you do need to connect your configured video source to the input

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GreyFoxx:

tryrt: There is no visible difference from my tv tuner and the output of my mythbox

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GreyFoxx:

tryrt: Though if you haven't paid for it, don't spend your money on a 350

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tryrt:

okay

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tryrt:

what is the best tvin card?

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tryrt:

i havent gotten one yet

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GreyFoxx:

a Pvr150 or 500 for analog cable

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GreyFoxx:

the 350's input is fine, but it's not worth the cost if all you are doing is recording from it

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tryrt:

How would this go a PVR 500 to have to inputs and 6600 for output?

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tryrt:

*two

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GreyFoxx:

yes, the 500 is basically 2 150's on a single card. So you can record 2 items at once

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tryrt:

okay, how do you usually handle sound?

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GreyFoxx:

How do you mean?

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tryrt:

well s-video doesnt do any sound

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tryrt:

do you go from the sound card to the tv?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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tryrt:

really how?

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BULLE:

tryrt: i just use a scart connector

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GreyFoxx:

tryrt: Just a cable that tables the minijack and converts it to an rca audio connectoir

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GreyFoxx:

tryrt: like a $5 cable

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tryrt:

i have one actually for my mp3 player, i was wondering if that was all

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tryrt:

okay thats cool

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tryrt:

you don't need like a super duper sound card or anything do you

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GreyFoxx:

some people use spdif into arecieverand such

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GreyFoxx:

heck no

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kormoc:

I use a super duper $15 sound card

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GreyFoxx:

most soundcards (or onboard sound) these days is fine for most people unless you have specific requirements otherwise

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tryrt:

wait so how do you get the composite audio and the svide on the same channel

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kormoc:

you don't

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tryrt:

do you need to use composite video?

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tryrt:

woah wait

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kormoc:

I have the video via svideo

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tryrt:

okay hold on i think i was thinking og how this work the wrong way

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kormoc:

svideo is only video, composite is video and sound, you can use svideo + composite sound or just composite video and sound

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tryrt:

what remote do you use to change the channel and things, the normal tv remote?

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kormoc:

erm

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Dibblah:

Composite is just video ;)

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Dibblah:

Composite is referring to sync.

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kormoc:

well, it tends to have the rca audio as well

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kormoc:

tryrt, not really, you leave the tv set to the same channel and change the mythbox's channel or watch a recording via it

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kormoc:

tryrt, the tv doesn't really change

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GreyFoxx:

tryrt: I'm sure some people do,I use wireless keyboards on some of my frontends

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GreyFoxx:

And on my main frontend I use a RF remote with a usb donglke

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tryrt:

okay

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kormoc:

I use a microsoft multimedia center remote to contol my mythbox

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Dibblah:

build linux-amsdelta-2.6

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tryrt:

how much does a good quality build cost?

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Dibblah:

Damn. Sorry.

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tryrt:

can't be more than 400 can it?

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kormoc:

all depends on what you want

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kormoc:

I likely sunk around $600 or so

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kormoc:

others a bit less, others a lot more

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siXy:

tryrt: if you want a fanless hd-capable box with hdmi and hifi-quality audio think around the $1500 mark.

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** Dibblah wishes that TI omap would do mpeg :( **

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BULLE:

Dibblah: doesnt it ?

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BULLE:

Dibblah: im pretty sure my cellphone has a TI omap chip in it, and it even plays 352x288 pixels divx fine

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mirak:

hey

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sanmarcos:

heyho

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mirak:

hey

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mirak:

if I have two cards, on DVB and one PVR150 with analogic tuner

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mirak:

one/on

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charlieS:

hey

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mirak:

I must have two sources ?

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charlieS:

only if you want to use two.

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mirak:

yes but let's admit two channels are on both

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mirak:

one through analog cable, and one through numeric

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mirak:

will I be able to bind a source to it or will I need to have two different source ?

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|splat|:

is it possible to run mythtv as a media frontend without a capture card?

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BULLE:

|splat|: possible sure

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BULLE:

|splat|: im not just sure its the best solution out there

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|splat|:

i basically want xbmc but on my computer heh

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BULLE:

and im not sure if you can remove the menu items that has to do with scheduling and live tv wathing and so on

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GreyFoxx:

Well you have the choice. Ignroe the TV items, or edit themout of the theme xml files

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|splat|:

hmm ok

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GreyFoxx:

You would still have to have an SQL database since the frontend gets and stores all ofit's settings there

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charlieS:

are there any PCI video cards that do HD-out with MPEG decoding? (like the GF6600's) I have a tiny-cute box I want to turn into a frontend, with only 1 PCI slot.

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** charlieS can't believe he just said "cute" **

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charlieS:

n/m I found a 5200 that claims HDTV-out

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Evil_Resident:

hello everybody

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Evil_Resident:

I need some help

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Evil_Resident:

any can help me ?

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Evil_Resident:

please

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Evil_Resident:

I have one PCI DVB-S card in my computer i install mythtv-0.20 and all work fine but i have only one trouble

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Evil_Resident:

when i try to connect to my lnb or scan any channels or frecuency

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Evil_Resident:

DiSEqCDevTree, Error: No root device tree node!

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Evil_Resident:

DVBChan(0) Error: Tune(): Failed to setup

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Evil_Resident:

DiSEqC devices DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 2

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Evil_Resident:

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Evil_Resident:

the channels is mute ?

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Evil_Resident:

ufff

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Evil_Resident:

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

'evening!

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Evil_Resident:

sh3mh4mf0r4sh, waoo you can write ?

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Evil_Resident:

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Evil_Resident:

:D

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

he

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Evil_Resident:

ufff

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xris:

hmm, looks like no tv out with the beta nvidia drivers. lame

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kimo_sabe:

xris: hmm? I had to go to the beta Quatro drivers to get component out

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xris:

odd. I can't get dual head (dvi + tv) working at all, even with the auto-generated file from nvidia-settings

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kimo_sabe:

xris: I did have to turn off twin view, but that was with the non-betas too

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SkaFreak:

Anyone have any idea what might cause mythtv to fail on :QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket

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xris:

yeah, I'm running separate screens

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xris:

SkaFreak: selinux?

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SkaFreak:

nope

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xris:

another version of the backend already running?

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SkaFreak:

It was working somewhat fine, but I was going to search for channels again now that I got my cable signal stronger, and after I did mythfill database it stopped working and was failing on that error

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SkaFreak:

ah, that may be it

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Pests:

I'm having a small problem with my setup. For some reason a buzzing static-like sound is being hueard.

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SkaFreak:

lemme try

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Pests:

heard*

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SkaFreak:

had a defunct one sitting around still aparently

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SkaFreak:

...and apparently a kill -9 won't even get rid of it

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xris:

ick

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xris:

kimo_sabe: could be something funky with the new X in fc6, too. this config worked fine before I upgraded.

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xris:

not that I *need* the tv on this machine, but it was nice to be able to run mythtv on it while I worked.

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Mr-C:

I am have an issue with my system locking up when exiting MythTV. Once I exit mythtv, the system becomes totally un-usable and I'm forced to do a hard reboot.

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xris:

odd

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Mr-C:

I'm running Gentoo x86_64, all new hardware, fresh install. Mythtv v.20, nvidia 6200 (tried latest stable drivers and latest betas)

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Mr-C:

Any ideas

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SkaFreak:

Mr-C what exactly is it doing to become unstable?

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rothgar:

mr-c: is this after watching live tv?

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kormoc:

dump the frontend output to a file and then see if it says anything before the freeze?

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Mr-C:

It does it even when i just load up the frontend and imediately exit

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Pests:

Any ideas about my problem?

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Mr-C:

kormoc: How can I do that if the system locks up

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kormoc:

Pests, make sure no mixer is more then 80 % or so?

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SkaFreak:

Mr-C: what exactly do you mean by unstable? Do other programs lock up entirely, or is it just mythtv?

[05:08:27]

kormoc:

Mr-C, mythfrontend > output.log

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rothgar:

I have a 6200 with beta drivers running ubuntu and mythtv .20 and mine has not been locking up

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kormoc:

Mr-C, it will write the output to output.log

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rothgar:

what capture card are you using?

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Mr-C:

SkaFreak: everything freezes, mouse freezes, system doesnt respond to ctrl+alt+backspace or anything

[05:09:12]

Mr-C:

I have to hit the reset button to restart it

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SkaFreak:

ok, then I can't be of any help

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Mr-C:

rothgar: leadtek winfast 2000

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Mr-C:

kormoc: i will give that a try

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SkaFreak:

I've been wrestling with myth for a while on amd64 too as well though

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kormoc:

Mr-C, what window manager are you using?

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Mr-C:

kormoc: xfce4

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kormoc:

have you tried disabling composite?

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rothgar:

mr-c: is the backend on the same box or over the network?

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Mr-C:

kormoc: it's not enabled in xorg.conf, is it enabled by default in the settings for xfce?

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Mr-C:

rothgar: same box

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SkaFreak:

brb probably

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kormoc:

no, it's a xorg.conf setting, xfce can't enable it itself

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Mr-C:

kormoc: just froze again, going to reboot to view log file

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kormoc:

but you might want to take a gander at the xorg.log too, see if it has any clues

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Mr-C:

kormoc: yea thats what i thought

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kormoc:

g'luck

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Mr-C:

bah, he left

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Mr-C:

the log that mythfrontend created doesnt say anything useful. the last thing in the log is "starting media monitor"

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rothgar:

Mr-C: I am pretty noobish with linux in general but the only other thing I can think of is to double check the backend

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rothgar:

but you probably already tried that

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Mr-C:

double check what on the backend?

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rothgar:

that it is running

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rothgar:

it should warn you if it wasn't running though

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Mr-C:

yea it's running

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rothgar:

we seem to have very similar setups (except maybe gentoo and the capture card)

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Mr-C:

log in /var/log/mythtv/ is just full of 'master server starting...'

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Mr-C:

I'm considering a reinstall of gentoo :(

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Mr-C:

which will burn a day

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rothgar:

what did /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend status give you?

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rothgar:

was there a reason you went with gentoo?

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Mr-C:

I'm very familiar with it

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Mr-C:

but this is the 1st time i've tried to get mythtv running

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rothgar:

mythtv is a bitch IMO. I am still trying to get it all working

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rothgar:

of course I am also learning linux at the same time so that probably doesnt help

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Mr-C:

lol, true

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rothgar:

is this a dedicated box?

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Mr-C:

yes

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rothgar:

if you want my advice, even though you are familiar with gentoo you may want to just try the easy route

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rothgar:

mythdora, knoppmyth have come a long long way since I first started trying them

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rothgar:

and they install in about 30 min

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rothgar:

so if something didn't work out it isn't to hard just to reinstall

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Mr-C:

true

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Mr-C:

i've heard of mythdora, but it looks like it's still using fedora4 and mythtv .19

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rothgar:

I just set up 0.20 on ubuntu 6.10 yesterday in about 2 hours (while at work)

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rothgar:

knoppmyth and mythdora will always be a little behind

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rothgar:

i'll be back in a bit

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Mr-C:

i'm just curious how easy it is to update the mythdora box

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trend:

hello

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trend:

should I use gnome or kde with mythtv backend?

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trend:

or does it really matter

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rothgar_away:

trend: it shouldn't matter

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trend:

do I even need a gui?

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rothgar_away:

sometimes it seems that gnome is easier because more people use it so it is easier to get help with it

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rothgar_away:

yes

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trend:

just for the backend?

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rothgar:

you need to have a x session

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trend:

ok

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rothgar:

weather it be gnome, kde, xfce, etc. I am not 100% sure if you are just running the backend

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rothgar:

but I think it still makes calls to X

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rothgar:

and you will still have to run mythtv-setup even with just a backend and that requires a x session

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minthome:

yay, openbsd 4 is out

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rothgar:

can someone help me get HD resolutions working in ubuntu 6.10 and mythtv 0.20?

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sanmarcos:

be more specific

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rothgar:

720p and 1080i with a nvidia 6200 (using beta drivers)

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rothgar:

I have it plugged into my samsung dlp but it just auto detects it as 800x600

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kormoc:

have you tried over-riding the auto-detect?

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rothgar:

with UseEDID = false?

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rothgar:

or is there a different way?

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kormoc:

in the screen section of your xorg.conf

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kormoc:

http://kormoc.homelinux.org/xorg.conf/xorg.conf.tv

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kormoc:

at the bottom of that file

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kormoc:

where it says Modes "800x600" "640x480"

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rothgar:

just add 1280x720?

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kormoc:

look for something like that in yours, and add in the res you want in the front

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kormoc:

aye

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rothgar:

well it seemed to work :)

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kormoc:

good

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kormoc:

now, the reason that worked is cause EDID doesn't send the res of the screen over

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kormoc:

the res of the screen is wholely controled by that setting you changed :)

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rothgar:

is there a way to make the screen overscan? the image is smaller than the tv even when it is set to 1280x720

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kormoc:

not via a digital output

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rothgar:

there is about 2–3 cm of space all around the picture

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kormoc:

you'd need to control that on the TV itself

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rothgar:

hmmm

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xris:

woah, new gaim changes colors.. kormoc is green instead of pink. heh.

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kormoc:

Heh, least it's a tad more manly

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xris:

Beirdo is pink now instead. heh

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xris:

so kormoc.. no dual head tv out with the beta nvidia drivers and fc6.

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kormoc:

what's the logs say?

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xris:

dunno

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kormoc:

that's a little important :P

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xris:

I don't think they say anything specifically

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kormoc:

huh

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xris:

I even used the xorg.conf generated by nvidia-settings (which incidentally tells how to hard-code relative heights, etc.)

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** xris wonders how smart it is to vote while drunk. heh **

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kormoc:

meh, most people are likely drunk when voting

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Captain_Murdoch:

the people you're voting for are probably drunk when they vote, why can't you be?

[06:46:37]

Captain_Murdoch:

it's like choosing the lesser of 2 evils when voting.

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Captain_Murdoch:

vote against X, not for Y.

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siXy:

xris: according to some web reports looks like the voting machines are drunk too, so it shoul go well

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xris:

heh

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xris:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, pretty much.

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siXy:

xris what distro are you running?

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siXy:

just reading up and noticed that you have the nvidia beta drivers running, which seem to cause me a kernel panic

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xris:

siXy: fc5 for myth, fc6 for my workstation

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xris:

beta drivers in fc6

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siXy:

xen kernel or normal?

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xris:

normal

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siXy:

meh that might be it i suppose :( installed the beta from livna and get a lovely kernel not syncing error

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siXy:

goona format witha normal kernel i think

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xris:

yeah. drivers are tied to a specific kernel

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siXy:

yeah. i installed the xen kernel version of the drivers

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siXy:

kernel version matched, everything was fine untill i installed that rpm then bam – kernel panic

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defaultro:

morning folks, anyone uses mythstream?

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** xris grumbles about ffmpeg not working properly in fc6 **

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JDStone:

is it required to run MythTV as the user 'mythtv'?

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trend:

how can I check that my tv tuner was detected by fedora?

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trend:

and i don't need to load any models or anything

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JDStone:

trend: what's your tuner card?

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trend:

wintv card

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JDStone:

PVR-250?

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trend:

usb2

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trend:

hmm

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JDStone:

trend: lsusb

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JDStone:

or

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JDStone:

lspci | grep "Multimedia video"

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jeffery:

has anyone had experience with Dvico FushionHDTV DVB-T cards ?

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trend:

model 42012

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trend:

says on box

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JDStone:

trend: try those commands above ^

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trend:

the lspci | grep whatever returns nothing

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JDStone:

ok, then try lsusb

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trend:

i see a Multimedia audio device and a bunch of VIA stuff

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JDStone:

no, that's not it

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JDStone:

try lsusb

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trend:

yeah.. sorry usb device

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JDStone:

it's ok

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trend:

lsusb no such command

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JDStone:

hmm

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JDStone:

sorry, don't know then

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JDStone:

try #ivtv-dev

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JDStone:

trend: ^

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JDStone:

i'm going to bed

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trend:

k, cool thanks

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JDStone:

well, actually, I'm studying for a polysci test.

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JDStone:

n/p

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jeffery:

has anyone had experience with Dvico FushionHDTV DVB-T cards ?

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adante:

jeffery: some have, but if you don't get a reply, check the mailing list

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jeffery:

k mate

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Juski:

morning

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Juski:

amstrad emalier? yeuch!

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Juski:

I'm interested in hacking Ubuntu so that it always puts my tuner cards on the device nodes it did _last_ time it booted though ;)

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Juski:

to get an air of repeatability into it. that probably means I've got to get to grips with udev rules but needs must

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Fromm:

gday everyone

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Fromm:

anyone have experience with mythgame, and Mame 1.09 ?

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Fromm:

anyone have experience with mythgame and xmame 1.09 ?

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Fromm:

somehow it doesnt display name of games, just the filename

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Fromm:

and i have installed catver.ini

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alan|home:

yeepee

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Hoxzer:

when I was young I though yahoo and jippii was a same thing :D

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Hoxzer:

diffrend language

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Juski:

indeed

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** Juski is upgrading to edgy tonight. gonna run out of spare hdds at this rate **

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Juski:

oo may aswell just get kubuntu anyway :)

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seth|laptop:

if you are in the market to try out gentoo, I recommend sabayon.org and sabayon linux graphical live cd/installer for amd64 and x86, XGL optimized, very sweet. Graphical gentoo desktop in just about an hour. i.e. no long 2 day compiles, hehe

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Juski:

hhhhhhhhhhhahahahahahahahaha

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Juski:

I've been trying out gentoo for the last 2 years 7 decided I'd had enough of it

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seth|laptop:

well this new versionis pretty sweet, this coming from me who has done a stage1 install on more than one occasion ;-)

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Fromm:

anyone else who have experienced very slow manouvering when entering plugins ?

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Fromm:

the setup and configuration is ok, but mythgame, and mythmusic (only 2 addons) is very slow

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Fromm:

seems like its doing it with the system monitor aswell (located under news)

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null__:

Fromm: yes, same here

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null__:

Fromm: mythvideo, mythnews and mythweather are all slow...

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GreyFoxx:

Fromm: Slow navigation? So moving around in the tree's is slow ?

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Fromm:

tree's ?

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Fromm:

not the menu

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GreyFoxx:

When you go into myth game for instances, that's called a tree :)

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Fromm:

ye, as soon as i start mythgame is starts to run very slow

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Fromm:

from the moment i press "play game" the UI is starting to hang, and have a response time of 2 sec or so

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null__:

jup, same here in mythvideo (gallery view)... it takes some seconds to complete a page-down key-press

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GreyFoxx:

Fromm: So I want to be clear, is the slownes happenning while you navigate through the list of games, Or the game itself is slow during playback ?

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Fromm:

navigate thru the list of games

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Fromm:

or music if i'm using mythmusic

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GreyFoxx:

I don't use mythmusic, so I can't comment much on that, but Mythvideo and mythgame I use a fair bit and I've never had that problem

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GreyFoxx:

So if you hit Down it takes a long time to move down and highlight the next item ?

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GreyFoxx:

Or is it just when drawing a new page of info ?

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Juski:

actually I've noticed that mythvideo seems slower in gallery mode in 0.20 than it did in 0.19

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Fromm:

when i press down it happends aswell

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Juski:

on my remote frontend anyway

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Fromm:

i'm running the frontend on the same computer as the backend

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: I know Anduin rewrote a lot of stuff prior to 0.20 for MythVideo, but I don't use the gallery much so I could easily have missed it. I always use list view

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: Hmmm.... wonder if it's trying (and failing) to access the coverposters ?

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: not failing

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Juski:

it looks like it's trying to grab the covers as it goes

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GreyFoxx:

It does. As you pass over the video it loads the cover image

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Juski:

maybe grabbing the next 'screen' of posters in one go then

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Juski:

maybe that'd be better

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GreyFoxx:

I wonder how long the resizing adds to the process too

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Juski:

could be a factor. maybe have a cache for the thumbs

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GreyFoxx:

the images on your drive are normally larger than they are on the screen and I think are resized at display time, not before hand.

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GreyFoxx:

I know he added some sort of image caching, so that might be what it does

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't looked at mythvideos code much since his changes

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Juski:

could be I don't have write access on my frontend in the videos dir

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Juski:

but, it's the least of my wwwwwwwworries right now

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Fromm:

i tried running the frontend as root, and still the same occurs

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** Juski curses the damn keyboard ssstutter **

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: Remember the fella in here the other day talking about puting Myth in a scholl with 160 frontends ?

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Juski:

yeah I need to sort out ivtv on my ubuntu setup & stop it fucking up my dddddvb-t tuner modules

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: yeah

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GreyFoxx:

Well, I was telling acoworker of mine about it, and he mentioned it to someone he knows who designs and builds schools here. Apparently they are looking for exactly the same thing. All of the schools they build now are wired for it with a VGA/DVI projector in the ceiling of each class

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GreyFoxx:

and in the couple of finished schools they are paying $15k per 4 classes for a existing video system that doesn;'t work and teachers end up bringing in a vcr and plugging it in rather than use the paid for system

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Juski:

what what whatttttttttttttttttt?!

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** Juski slaps vncccc **

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Juski:

god I miss irssi

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GreyFoxx:

Yup, every room has a multiple ethernet jacks back to the central room along with VGA, DVI, Svideo, Composite etc ports leading to the projector in the ceiling

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Juski:

sounds like an ideal opportunity for mythtv there

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GreyFoxx:

he wants me to do up a rough draft plan fro implementing myth in 1 school as the first test.

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Juski:

excellent

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GreyFoxx:

They also have inhouse video in the gym and such and would love to record the games and such heh

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Juski_:

and irssi worky again :)

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GreyFoxx:

And the local Cable company gives free full cable to schools

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Fromm:

hmmm, setting appearance to window mode, makes it run fine

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defend:

lol i had to stop using irssi tomany windows it was killing me

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: The school he wants to trial it in has 80 classrooms, so it should be interesting assuming he gets final approval heh

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GreyFoxx:

I'm just excited about setting it up more than anything hehe

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Juski:

I bet

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defend:

80 rooms wow thats awsome that is some large deployment :)

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defend:

defently beats home use lol

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Juski:

great case-study material

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defend:

ya it will be great testing for the project

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Dibblah:

Unfortunately, "free cable" probably doesn't mean what it should mean. <SIGH>.

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GreyFoxx:

Yeah, I'm crossing my fingers that we get the goahead

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Dibblah:

(CableCard provided or CAM)

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defend:

nothing like real world use to get the bugs banged out

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Juski:

brb

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Fromm:

btw GreyFoxx, you said you used MythGame ?

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GreyFoxx:

Dibblah: In this case all analog channels. If they want the digital channels they just have to provide their own STB's and the cable company with authorize them

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Fromm:

do you use it with Xmame ?

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alan|home:

is there any french user in here ?

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alan|home:

i'd appreciate someone explain me how to use tv_grab_fr with mythtv...

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null__:

GreyFoxx: will you document this? ;-)

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Fromm:

btw the "window mode" only helps a bit

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GreyFoxx:

null__: Certainly

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GreyFoxx:

Fromm: Nope, no xmame here

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Fromm:

MythThemedDialog.o: something is requesting a screen update of zero size. A widget probably has not done a calculateScreeArea(). Will redraw the whole screen (inefficient!).

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null__:

GreyFoxx: cool, do you have some sort of a time schedule?

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Fromm:

GreyFoxx: this is what frontend reported to the terminal it was run from

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Fromm:

might be the bug

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GreyFoxx:

null__: Not yet, still awaiting word back on if they want to proceed. but they seem pretty excited and interested so we'll see.

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GreyFoxx:

90%of the time will be in going around and plugging in the machines

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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jams:

heh, be sure to make mythgame work perfectly at the school

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GreyFoxx:

Hehe Well, I'm sure some things I'll be hiding from the interface or not installing :)

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GreyFoxx:

but that's up to them :)

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null__:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

Odds are a lot of it's use will be via MythVideo, mythdvd and then soime recorded content

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GreyFoxx:

but it will be neat to see how they use it and what sort of issues they find

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GreyFoxx:

But it will definately be identical hardware throughout

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jams:

of course

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GreyFoxx:

And I'll be netbooting them all

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Juski:

may aswell.. ro fs.. no cerruption-ing :)

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GreyFoxx:

oh yeah

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GreyFoxx:

It should be a lot of fun :)

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sgorilla80:

hello

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Juski:

that'll survive a frustrated teaching repeatedly power-cycling the frontend too :)

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Juski:

s/teaching/teacher

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jams:

netbooting ability was the next thing I wanted to add to stuff

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sgorilla80:

are there specific mythtv packages for ubuntu?

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Juski:

it's not been my week this week

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Juski:

sgorilla80: there are official 0.20 packages for edgy

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Juski:

for others erm... check the channel FAQ

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Juski:

and the mythtv wiki

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sgorilla80:

should i upgrade to edgy?

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Juski:

and the ubuntu wiki

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** jams waits for the snowflakes to start falling **

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Juski:

if you want to

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sgorilla80:

i will do that i guess

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sgorilla80:

if it has official

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sgorilla80:

how would i go about doing that?

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Juski:

the unofficial ones are ok though

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jams:

Juski, mind it I package your theme?

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Juski:

jams: go ahead.. only 2.0 though please

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jams:

k

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sgorilla80:

Juski: i guess i will go the the mythtv web site and get unoffical ones

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Juski:

sgorilla80: the mythtv site doesn't host ubuntu packages

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jams:

by the time I get around to it, version 2.1 will be out

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Juski:

jams: yeah if i can sort out my ubuntu mess

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sgorilla80:

jams: cool

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sgorilla80:

jams: what is the easiest version of mythtv to set up on ubuntu dapper?

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null__:

GreyFoxx: how many backups will you have?

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sgorilla80:

i dont mind if its old

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Juski:

since gentoo wants to download over 900MB of source to upgrade to mythtv 0.20 :-O

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jams:

sgorilla80- sorry don't know a thing about ubuntu

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Juski:

sgorilla80: check the channel FAQ

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sgorilla80:

ok i will do that, thanks

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Juski:

and the mythtv wiki

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Juski:

sheesh

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null__:

GreyFoxx: I mean backends, not backups, sorry =)

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GreyFoxx:

null__: Hehe

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** Juski remembers he printing a noobs' guide to udev rules earlier **

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GreyFoxx:

At this point I need to get more info from them on their requirements

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Juski:

printing? arghhh I sound like a japlish user manual

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GreyFoxx:

at this point it seems they are more focused on prerecorded content they want to place on the server for viewing in the classes

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GreyFoxx:

so that's more nfs related than mythbackend

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jams:

perfect

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GreyFoxx:

But I'll find out soon

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Juski:

please to thankyou for install your very excellent happy mythtv fortunate

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Dagmar:

Have good life!

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null__:

GreyFoxx: ok, so you don't need mass of tv-tuners ;-)

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Juski:

like my school – they only ever needed one vcr between 600 students

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GreyFoxx:

Yeah that's what I'm thinking

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Dagmar:

University of Cardiff

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Dagmar:

;)

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GreyFoxx:

but it should be neat to see how it grows

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null__:

my school has stbs in every room...

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GreyFoxx:

Assuming someone doesn't chop it off at the knees :)

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null__:

though I haven't found out yet why

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jams:

heh, two roaming frontends for the entire school

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Fromm:

regarding the slow manouvering.. When playing music, the visualisation runs fine, but every time the time has to be updated, it stops while the the seconds count up

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GreyFoxx:

Cool, someone has a patch for opengl playback

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GreyFoxx:

Hardwre pip scaling, hardware colour conversions

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null__:

cool

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Juski:

ahhh udev isn't as hard as it looks :)

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Honk^away:

mhh.. does anyone know a way (editing asoundrc?) to get sound on 2 soundcards at once? :)

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Fromm:

anyone here sues MythGame and xmame ?

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Dagmar:

Juski: That's good because it looks a right bastard to deal with

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Fromm:

*uses

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Dagmar:

...so I guess that gives one lots of leeway

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Juski:

hmm should I just work around the problem I have with the module loading order or fix it.. dilemma

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jams:

Juski- network cards flipping around on ya?

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Juski:

jams: no tuner cards are

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Juski:

very very ouchy

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Juski:

I _think_ I could blacklist the modules which give me /dev/video from my dvb-t tuners. that'd make my pvr150 always come up as /dev/video0

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Juski:

but then if ivtv loads, the v4l dvb-t tuner modules bork because there's already an i2c controller on the pci bus. if the dvb modules load first, everything is fine

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Juski:

what I haven't been able to work out is why the modules sometimes load in a different order

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Dagmar:

Bus enumeration

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Dagmar:

It's basically a race as to which devices pipe up first

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Juski:

ahhh

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Dagmar:

You can do some tricks in modprobe.conf to force loading in a particular order if you want tho

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Juski:

if I made a rule to blacklist some modules could I still be able to load them manually in modprobe.conf ?

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Dagmar:

You can _maybe_ also do like a "alias /dev/video0 ivtv" or something like that but I cna't be 100% sure about that

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Dagmar:

I think so

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Juski:

human beings shouldn't have to screw with this stuff

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Juski:

I'm gonna see if it's any better in edgy & if not, file a bug for it

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Dagmar:

I take it your problem is hte devices coming up in different places?

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Juski:

yep

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Dagmar:

Hey be glad it wasn't your SATA drives. :)

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Juski:

consequently, mythtv shits itself

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Juski:

that's a really good example

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Dagmar:

SATA used to do that before like 2.6.9

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Dagmar:

People LOVED that one

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Juski:

oh I bet!

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Juski:

fdisk /dev/hd$random

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Juski:

bloody plug & pray

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Dagmar:

parm: ivtv_first_minor:Set minor assigned to first card

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Dagmar:

May be of use

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Dagmar:

No, better than the fdisk issue was booting /dev/sda1

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Dagmar:

...which might be either disk

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Juski:

if I can establish why the vanilla kernel modules sometimes don;t load before ivtv I'll be laughing

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Dagmar:

None of them should be required by ivtv

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Dagmar:

depmod should be seeing to that for certain

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Juski:

I;d have thought it'd go through its own autodetection before looking at the 'other' modules list

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Dagmar:

Which would go through what autodetection?

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Juski:

no it's not that it's required by ivtv.. if ivtv loads before the stock kernel modules, it fucks up my dvb-t tuners

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Dagmar:

The kernel does it's basic device initialization, and then during that process it hits the PCI chipset and then the USB chipset

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Dagmar:

Juski: there are directives you can pop into modprobe.conf that will permanently fix the order

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Juski:

when it all works, my pvr150 card comes up in /dev/video2 & both my dvb tuners are /dev/dvb/adapter0 and adapter1

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Juski:

when ivtv loads first, I get /dev/video0 & the dvb-t modules scream about symbol problems

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Juski:

and _yes_ I'm using the right ivtv for 2.6.15 and _yes_ when it 'works' all the hardware happily coexists

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Dagmar:

So add "install ivtv modprobe list_of_dvb_modules_here"

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Dagmar:

er and add ivtv to the end of that

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Dagmar:

...since you can safely modprobe modules that are already loaded and nothing happens

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Juski:

in ubuntu I've never had to add anything to the modprobe list – only ivtv. everything else happens automagically

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Dagmar:

...so when something (like udev) tries to load ivtv, that will intercept it and run modprobe to load the dvb modules, THEN the ivtv module

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Juski:

ahhh

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Dagmar:

You may have just gotten lucky becasue as far as I know the order things are enumerated on the PCI bus is still a crap shoot

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marc2 is now known as sanmarcos

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Dagmar:

It's much easier with ehternet adapters

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Juski:

I bet pci-e is no better

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alan|home:

where do i get the XML ID of a channel from ?

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alan|home:

in ~/.xmltv/xxx.conf, right ?

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Juski:

should be

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alan|home:

and the ID is just the number ?

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defend:

hey i got a question lol

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Dagmar:

Well, thankfully there's not that many PCI-e devices you can have

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Juski:

alan|home: the xmltv id looks a little like a URL

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alan|home:

Juski: ha...

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defend:

i was looking at brodcast format or soemthing like that and there is us-cable and us-cable-hrc what is the diff

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Juski:

defend: frequency tables, that's the difference

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defend:

ahh

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defend:

ok that explains alot

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defend:

my us-cable doesnt work

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defend:

but hrc does

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alan|home:

Juski: in "channel 1 tf1;http://static.guidetele.com/c_img/chaine/tf1.gif" what part is the ID i should indicate ?

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** Juski tries to work out whether he's had too much coffee today, or not enough... **

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alan|home:

Juski: never too much caf pow

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defend:

u can never have to much

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Juski:

alan|home: hard to tell from that line

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defend:

now if i could only smoke at my desk it would be a perfect life

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alan|home:

Juski: i only have lines like this one...

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defend:

lol

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Juski:

there should be a file called channel_ids in the /usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_fr dir

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Juski:

look in there for hints

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Juski:

I know for tv_grab_uk_rt the xmltvids look like north-west.bbc1.bbc.co.uk

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Juski:

but they could be _anything_ really

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Juski:

just that somebody decided on what that 'something' is ;)

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alan|home:

arrrgh... nothing such as /usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_fr

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Juski:

maybe /usr/local/share////

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alan|home:

nope... running updatedb so that i can use locate

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

how can i plug on the softscan in mythtv 0.20 in debian!

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GreyFoxx:

softscan ?

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Juski:

the wha?

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Juski:

uh-oh

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

softscan is a file to unencrypt the signal , channel, (crack) the NIAGRA like windows

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Juski:

not supported here

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GreyFoxx:

sh3mh4mf0r4sh: Actually that's a softcam, and we don't support it here :)

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mirak:

is there a way to have a channel list displayed to chose from ?

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mirak:

sh3mh4mf0r4sh: sasc

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GreyFoxx:

mirak: The programguide ?

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mirak:

GreyFoxx: hum I would need to bind each channel to the source, I don't do that

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

let see....

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mirak:

GreyFoxx: no, just a channel list, like my provider terminall is doing

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GreyFoxx:

Why would you not have your channels listed on your source ?

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

have mythtv .20 in debian ok succesfull installed .. and with the scan channel ok.. BUT only can see the free channel.. need something (like plugin at windows) to unencrypt the signal to see the rest!

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alan|home:

Juski: ok, might be C1.telepoche.com etc...

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alan|home:

let's test that

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Dagmar:

Not gonna happen

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alan|home:

thanks Juski

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Juski:

sh3mh4mf0r4sh: mythtv does not support cracking of pay TV !

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GreyFoxx:

Videosource is meant to be a collection of the programinfo/channels on that source

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mirak:

GreyFoxx: they are not bound to the internet guide.

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GreyFoxx:

sh3mh4mf0r4sh: We don't allow talk about that here. I wont say it again

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mirak:

GreyFoxx: I just created a source, then I scanned the card to get channels.

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alan|home:

Juski: too bad ;)

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Juski:

alan|home: what? and have the mpaa etc on mythtv's case all the time? no thanks

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

then.. just can see by windows!?

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

fuck

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mirak:

sh3mh4mf0r4sh: yes you can but they won't tell it here

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Juski:

sh3mh4mf0r4sh: we do not talk about it in here. sounds like you're running out of questions

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GreyFoxx:

mirak: If your system has the info on the channels you should be able to use the EPG to pull up a list

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alan|home:

Juski: it was nothing but a joke

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Juski:

alan|home: :)

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mirak:

GreyFoxx: but that's during TV playback ?

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

well.. at private!!!

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

not in public

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Juski:

not in private either

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

tell me at private how to!?

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

ohh

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Dagmar:

NO decryption at all

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Dagmar:

NONE

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Juski:

which part of WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT IT is hard to understand?

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alan|home:

sh3mh4mf0r4sh: there is no way to do it with mythtv

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Dagmar:

Not only do we not talk about it, it can't be done

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

okok

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

i got it

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GreyFoxx:

mirak: Yes

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

only tell me if i can do that! by my way

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Dagmar:

...and it can't be done because anything done to give people the ability to decrypt legitimately purchased channels would enable people to decrypt ones they didn't.

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GreyFoxx:

Or you can pull up the same program guide when you are not in plyback

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alan|home:

sh3mh4mf0r4sh: unless you feel like you are able to code a filter that can unencrypt encrypted signals

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mirak:

sh3mh4mf0r4sh: it's illegal in the US so since mythtv is made by US people mostly I belive they don't want to put mythtv at risk

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Dagmar:

sh3mh4mf0r4sh: YOU CAN NOT DECRYPT. Not your way, not my way, not any way.

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Dagmar:

You will have to wait for Cablecard 2.0 to come out, and then it's a big *maybe* even then

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alan|home:

Dagmar: believe people here. it's not they don't want to tell you, it is just they don't know how to do it

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

okokokokook

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mirak:

alan|home: liar

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mirak:

alan|home: super mentor :)

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

i try to fix my crack plugins.. and then... don;t ask me .. how can i doas!

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Dagmar:

alan|home: Dude, I can do it. I did it with a Bt card for analog cable, however, I'm not stupid and not once did I use it after I figured it out

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mirak:

sh3mh4mf0r4sh: don't talk about that here

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Dagmar:

Hell, I was cracking satellite stuff when I was 10

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

ok

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

c'y

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alan|home:

well... i guess some people could know how to to it, but it's not in out interest to have mythtv doing it

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mirak:

sh3mh4mf0r4sh: read you private messages

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mirak:

what a moron

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Dagmar:

It's not hard, but we can't safely do it without exposing the project to _huge_ liability

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alan|home:

Dagmar: i understand that. I live in france where DAVDSI law just passed... and believe me, it's even worst than RIAA

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mirak:

Dagmar: atually just a facility to plug an external application is suffiscient

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GreyFoxx:

There are ways of doing it that don't require a single line of code in myth nor that myth know anything about it. But either way it's not vffor here

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mirak:

alan|home: by the way in france DVB-C cards are prohibed to sell

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alan|home:

huh ??

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alan|home:

you're joking, right ?

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mirak:

alan|home: no. just try to buy a dvb-c card on a french shop, online or real, you won't find one

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alan|home:

pfff...

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Juski:

I remember hearing that & thinking it's not a very 'French' way to go

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alan|home:

stupid laws

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mirak:

however DVB-S are sold

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defend:

omg lol

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alan|home:

mirak: i see you are french too ^^

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Juski:

I'd always thought the French have plenty of laws but lots of people just turn a blind eye to them ;)

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defend:

if he wanted it so bad why not just use a cable box

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mirak:

Juski: well you can still buy them from other countries lol

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alan|home:

Juski: i'm quite sure you are not aware of how right you are

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Juski:

defend: when you see the difference in quality you'd know why

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mirak:

I bought a second hand one to a guy that bought it on dvbshop.com

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Juski:

getting the mpeg2 stream directly is the way to go.. it looks SO much better than any tuner card

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alan|home:

mirak: buy the way, could you tell me the XMLTV ID for TF1, for example ?

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mirak:

defend: because you can't get the mpeg stream.

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mirak:

alan|home: no idea

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defend:

ah i didnt relize that

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alan|home:

i'm in trouble with configuring this stupid tv guide...

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defend:

i figured it would be the same out put

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alan|home:

mirak: you didn't configure your xmltv ?

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mirak:

Juski: cable provider are selling devices that have a hard drive.

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mirak:

alan|home: no !

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Juski:

alan|home: in that channel_ids file is a list of the channels & their xmltvids. you need the xmltvids in the file <videosourcename>.xmltv which lives in ~/.mythtv/

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alan|home:

mirak: too bad for me ^^'

[16:09:46]

mirak:

GreyFoxx: how do you get that channel list ?

[16:09:48]

Juski:

you also need the xmltv id to exist in the channel table alongside every channel :)

[16:10:01]

Fromm:

w00t..... got my remote working with myth now :)

[16:10:11]

defend:

everything i watch is unencrpted so i never cared to figure it out only thing that is usa and i can watch it on my main tv with my cable box so i never felt like figuring it out i been more intrested in making my transcodes not so crappy :/

[16:10:15]

Fromm:

prolly the only thing TV@nywhere can be used for

[16:10:58]

Juski:

as for cable company's PVR machines.. if they weren't so crap to start with, mythtv would not exist ;)

[16:11:02]

alan|home:

Juski: i think my only problem comes from me not finding what ID to put in the channel table...

[16:11:21]

mirak:

Juski: lobys aren't all very powerfull in france. I think that if DVB-C are prohibed it's because the first cable provider probablt was a public compagny

[16:11:24]

Fromm:

mythtv is loosing my tuner almost everytime i switch channel on it..

[16:11:35]

Juski:

hmm

[16:11:40]

Juski:

hometime for me I think

[16:11:53]

alan|home:

see you Juski

[16:12:57]

alan|home:

one last question : editing mythconverg database through phpmyadmin or through mythtv-setup is the same thing, right ?

[16:13:12]

Fromm:

noone using xmame with MythGame ?

[16:13:38]

Honk^away:

does anyone know a way to output sound to two soundcards at once (using alsa or arts e.g.)?

[16:13:52]

mirak:

Honk^away: #alsa

[16:14:15]

Honk^away:

oh.. never knew there was such a channel.. thanks :)

[16:15:05]

GreyFoxx:

Fromm: You can try the mythtv-users list. I'm sure there are many people t here

[16:16:32]

defend:

i love country :)

[16:16:34]

defend:

mahaha

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defend:

sorry lol its rainny and i dont feel like working ;p

[16:24:05]

makomk:

Hmmm... just upgraded to an experimental branch of the em2880 driver and now DVB only works for recordings, not live TV/EIT collection. Is that even possible?

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mjelva:

where is it recommended to put movie subtitles? is there a special directory for this or should i just throw them in with the movies?

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Dagmar:

Probably just throw them in with the movies. It's more likely that mplayer/xine will be able to find them there

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mjelva:

ok.

[16:28:20]

mjelva:

Dagmar: currently there's some misc crap showing up in the video list (in settings). any way to restrict this list to avi and mpeg files?

[16:28:36]

mjelva:

i figure that if i throw my subtitles in the same directory, that list will fill up with clutter really quick

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alan|home:

yeeeeeppppeeee !! xmltv works !!

[16:29:06]

mjelva:

yay

[16:29:09]

** alan|home dancing the moonwalk on his desk **

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alan|home:

Juski: i owe you one

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Dagmar:

mjelva: Yeah, in the setup menus in the frontend there's a checkbox to make it only show known file typews

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mjelva:

Dagmar: thanks

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mjelva:

Dagmar: one last thing. i put movies that span several CDs into their own subdirectories. any way to have these directories show up with the same cover image as the movies files inside them?

[16:34:30]

Dagmar:

None that I'm aware of

[16:34:41]

Dagmar:

There's actually a better way to do that using the "Always play ____ after" option

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Dagmar:

...since Linux really doesn't give a damn about file extentions, you can name the things like blah.mpg.001 and so on and it will still be able to play them

[16:35:41]

mjelva:

Dagmar: i do use that. but you're saying to use that instead of putting them in their own directories, rather than in addition to?

[16:36:08]

Dagmar:

Seems like a simpler measure to me

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null__:

mjelva: name the first cd like cd1.mpg, the second cd2.mpg.02 and so on

[16:36:33]

mjelva:

true. but when i have subtitle files etc as well, it clutters things up terribly

[16:36:34]

Dagmar:

...since the frontend really doesn't say much about file length, so long as it's got an entry with the metadata and the place to start from

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null__:

mjelva: then use the play-after feature I think

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Dagmar:

Mind you, it's not going to back up to a previoous file as far as I know

[16:36:57]

Dagmar:

You might just want to find a decent file joiner and make them into singular files

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mjelva:

nah. i'd rather not do that.

[16:37:48]

mjelva:

so, even manually, there's no way to make a folder display an image?

[16:38:24]

Dagmar:

Not that I'm aware of

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mjelva:

ok. any way to display movies as a list of text entries? that is, without any cover image etc

[16:40:22]

mjelva:

listing hundreds of files, each of them with a cover image, is a bit inefficient sometimes

[16:40:22]

Dagmar:

I think you're pretty much always going to get the cover image unless you nuke it

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mjelva:

if i nuke it i get the default image

[16:40:35]

Dagmar:

Even the double-box list view thing has the box art at the bottom

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mjelva:

listing just the file names, or better yet the names from database, should be much simpler than the current list

[16:41:47]

mjelva:

so i see no reason why you can't choose

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Dagmar:

I do.

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Dagmar:

Because it wasn't coded to do that

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mjelva:

all it requires is the same as current, but without cover art, and ordered into a list. it would take all of five minutes to do.

[16:42:38]

mjelva:

for someone who knows how :(

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livingtm:

anyone have experience with a plextor convertx?

[16:52:06]

JDStone:

is it required to run MythTV as the user 'mythtv'?

[16:52:20]

Dagmar:

No, but it's probably a good idea

[16:52:30]

JDStone:

Dagmar: why is that?

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JDStone:

Dagmar: Can't I just run it as my user, 'jd'

[16:53:40]

Dagmar:

You can.

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Dagmar:

About the only thing useful to that is getting the uid realtime privs, which is somewhat complex and much more simply done by making the thing suid root

[16:55:03]

Dagmar:

Such things are documented, and will require a bit of support from the kernel and/or PAM

[16:55:13]

Dagmar:

er such things as getting the uid realtime access

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JDStone:

Dagmar: so I should just create a 'mythtv' user

[16:55:48]

Dagmar:

Sure

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JDStone:

Dagmar: well, will I have problems if I use my user 'jd'

[16:56:18]

Dagmar:

Not likely

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JDStone:

oh, that's all I wanted to know

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JDStone:

thanks Dagmar

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Dagmar:

No problem.

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alan|home:

wonderfull ! mythfrontend works on my macbook too :)

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alan|home:

soooo... mythtv works. xmltv works

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alan|home:

what can i do now to fully enjoy mythtv ?

[17:04:38]

alan|home:

for example, is there a setting i could use so that it works even faster ?

[17:04:48]

Kelerion:

let it recording some programs and chill out with them later

[17:05:38]

Kelerion:

anyone here tried using the remove streaming inputs for myth?

[17:05:48]

alan|home:

yeahh... that is a cool thing to do

[17:06:02]

Kelerion:

remote

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alan|home:

what are the filters mythtv can use ?

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alan|home:

answer found on http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-10.html

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xris:

alan|home: "faster"?

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Dagmar:

b33r!

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alan|home:

xris: some channels are broadcasted in high resolution and playing them back is not really smooth...

[17:13:56]

xris:

alan|home: then you probably need a faster processor

[17:14:06]

alan|home:

xris: duron 1.3ghz

[17:14:10]

xris:

definitely.

[17:14:12]

Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

More power needed

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xris:

generally need at least 2Ghz to decode high def

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alan|home:

xris: arf... too bad, cause i can play it with any other program

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xris:

oh?

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alan|home:

well... it's not really high definition

[17:15:01]

alan|home:

i don't know how to say it

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xris:

make sure you're not deinterlacing. that would eat up a lot of extra cpu that "other programs" wouldn't be doing by default

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alan|home:

anyway, it seems to be in higher resolution than any other channel

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alan|home:

xris: where can i check if i'm using this ?

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xris:

frontend > settings > tv > playback (or something like that)

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alan|home:

for what i'm seeing, it's not deinterlcaed

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alan|home:

k

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Juski:

xris: :)

[17:17:23]

xris:

Juski: more bugs with PG... no preview show, either.

[17:17:33]

Juski:

xris: did you try clearing out your themecache? suspect that might have been the issue

[17:17:48]

xris:

no. I alwasys assume myth does that when it says "regenerating"

[17:17:50]

xris:

will do so shortly

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Juski:

works fine here, so I can't think of anything else :-|

[17:18:16]

Juski:

only diff. is that you're probably running head & I'm not

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Zyxus:

sabayon.org

[17:18:25]

Zyxus:

get that channel list ?

[17:18:25]

Zyxus:

[11:09:47] Juski | you also need the xmltv id to exist in the channel table

[17:18:25]

Zyxus:

alongside every channel :)

[17:18:26]

Zyxus:

[11:10:01] Fromm | w00t..... got my remote working with myth now :)

[17:18:26]

Zyxus:

[11:10:11] defend | everything i watch is unencrpted so i never cared to figure

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Zyxus:

it out only thing that is usa and i can watch it on my main

[17:18:28]

Zyxus:

tv with my cable box so i never felt like figuring it out i

[17:18:30]

Zyxus:

been more intrested in making my transcodes not so crappy

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Zyxus:

:/

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Zyxus:

[11:10:16] Fromm | prolly the only thing TV@nywhere can be used for

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Zyxus:

[11:10:58] Juski | as for cable company's PVR machines.. if they weren't so

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Zyxus:

crap to start with, mythtv would not exist ;)

[17:18:43]

Juski:

whoah there mister floody

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Dagmar:

Floody McFloodersons!

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defend:

lol u are making my xchat beep lol

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xris:

blech. my dns server went out again. PITA

[17:19:49]

Juski:

xris: only reason I suggested the themecache was that stuarta had a similar problem with my theme until he cleaned out his cache

[17:20:08]

xris:

Juski: well, can't start mythtv until I reboot my dns server.. stupid crashy xen

[17:20:45]

alan|home:

woooow.... on mac frontend, i see an option "video on desktop". is that what i think it is ?

[17:20:46]

Juski:

decided to have a holiday from mythtv tweaking in ubuntu tonight. xbox & watching recordings I think tonight.. then I'm away all weekend, so I'll have to pick it back up next week

[17:20:48]

** xris hopes centos5 comes out soon so he can switch away from fedora for servers. **

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xris:

heh

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xris:

I spent last night fixing mythweb bugs.

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xris:

well, applying patches. heh

[17:21:27]

Juski:

crap. I left my udev cribsheets at work

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Kelerion:

evening Juski

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Kelerion:

got me a plan :P

[17:22:05]

Juski:

you have a plaaaan?

[17:22:10]

kslater:

what's the current best bet for getting vga into an HD capable tv? (has both DVI and component vid inputs)?

[17:22:28]

Juski:

kslater: get a vga card that has dvi outputs.. prolly the easiest way

[17:22:56]

xris:

kslater: upgrade your video card?

[17:23:11]

kslater:

no can do with current box, onboard video that does mpeg-2 decoding in hardware

[17:23:23]

kslater:

(EPIA 13000)

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xris:

kslater: vga->component adapter might exist, but I doubt it'd be cheap

[17:24:13]

kslater:

yea, I'm figuring it'll be somewhat pricey, was hoping that things had improved

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Kelerion:

bah

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Kelerion:

anyways.. plan.. install ZoneMinder again and see if I can get backend to take a stream from it as an input

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xris:

kslater: no modular upgrade for the tv to support vga?

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xris:

the plasma we have at work can be upgraded like that.

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AndyCap:

some epia cards have a possibility to support flat panels too iirc.

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xris:

Juski: that fixed it.

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AndyCap:

the daughtercard is probably impossible to find though

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kslater:

no, modular upgrades for my Samsung tube tv

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kslater:

:-(

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Kelerion:

urgh...

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Juski:

xris: cool! :)

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AndyCap:

kslater: there's no pinheader for dvi on your epia card either?

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xris:

Juski: now to figure if it's worth submitting a bug.. "wipe out themecache before resizing thumbnails"

[17:29:19]

kslater:

there is a header on the motherboard, but I think it's for driving LCD type displays

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AndyCap:

umm, that would be what you're looking for wouldn't it

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AndyCap:

what model is it anyway?

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kslater:

TV? I'd have to look in the xorg.conf, can't recall, but it's a flat (crt) tube tv

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kslater:

I think it'll only do 720p

[17:30:57]

kslater:

maybe only 720i

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AndyCap:

kslater: didn't you have DVI in?

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AndyCap:

kslater: and is it just DVI-D or does it have the vga input as well?

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AndyCap:

kslater: model of the epia motherboard

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kslater:

SP13000 is the EPIA mobo model

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AndyCap:

DVI-I has both vga and digital signals, while dvi-d only has digital

[17:32:22]

kslater:

The TV does have DVI in

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AndyCap:

kslater: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVI

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xris:

kslater: does it have dvi-i, though?

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** kslater has to climb behind the tv again to look at the DVI connector **

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** AndyCap wonders why he just doesn't look at the tv's manual. :) **

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kslater:

AndyCap: it's at home and I'm in the office. :-(

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AndyCap:

and the SP13000 seems to have a DVI-D output on the header

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robbins876:

AndyCap: You have a VIA mini-itx board?

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kslater:

now that would be sweet, but I figured someone (Ivor) would have done it already

[17:34:37]

kslater:

yes

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AndyCap:

robbins876: me? no.

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robbins876:

oh

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AndyCap:

kslater does

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robbins876:

oh, i see. kslater: do you have the open chrome drivers running?

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kslater:

I'm using the stuff from Kelkoo

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kslater:

no sure if it's open or uni

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robbins876:

kelkoo?

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robbins876:

does your TV out work? that's all that's important

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sgorilla80:

hello

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kslater:

my tv out does work, but not up to HD res

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sgorilla80:

im trying to setup datadirect, and it seems that i dont have certain tables in my mythtv database

[17:41:11]

sgorilla80:

mythconverg.dd_v_program

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kslater:

AndyCap: that mobo connector is LDVS from what I recall

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sgorilla80:

do i need to create those tables manually, or run some other program to set them up?

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kslater:

are you saying that's the same as DVI-D?

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Juski:

ahhhh c...

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Juski:

bloody games are more infuriating than dealing with ivtv

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sgorilla80:

is there something like youtube with mythtv?

[17:43:12]

Juski:

nope

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sgorilla80:

where you can browse your channels through a web interface?

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Juski:

email.. that's nice & relaxing....

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Juski:

mythweb

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sgorilla80:

cool

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Honk^away:

is there any way to make mythtv work with pulseaudio? =)

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Juski:

only the recordings & TV guide though.. no livetv

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Honk^away:

(or with alsa :P)

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sgorilla80:

if i have a haupage card, how should i get the audio, create a line that goes from line out to microphone in?

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sgorilla80:

Juski: probably be fairly simple to do it with live tv

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sgorilla80:

convert it to flash then have controls on the web page

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sgorilla80:

maybe have some AJAX hotkeys

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AndyCap:

kslater: http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/accessories.jsp

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AndyCap:

daughtercard is available.

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sgorilla80:

hmm ubuntu package doesnt seem to work for me

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** kslater laments lame amount of bandwidth out of the office / prison **

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sgorilla80:

//www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-commits@mythtv.org/msg06821.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-commits@my . . . sg06821.html

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sgorilla80:

sweet mythtv uses trac

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** Juski doesn't care a jot about livetv **

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Juski:

I don't care much for flash either but hey

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kslater:

AndyCap: thanks for the links, I'm obviously out of touch

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xris:

sgorilla80: flash playback is eventually coming to mythweb...

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sgorilla80:

xris: is it in a svn branch somehwere?

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sgorilla80:

xris: i would be interested in developing it

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AndyCap:

kslater: but if the tv has DVI-I you can just get an adapter from vga to dvi

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AndyCap:

weird if someone makes a DVI-D only crt tv. :)

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sgorilla80:

i guess i should just get the svn trunk and install that

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alan|home:

see you latter

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sgorilla80:

instead of using ubuntus, packages, the ubuntu package seems broken

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Juski:

lol

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sgorilla80:

is there a devlopment branch that people are working on flash integration?

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Juski:

dapper ones aren't so hot

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sgorilla80:

yeah thats what im using

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** Juski wonders why folks insist on flash **

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Juski:

it's propriatary after all isn't it?

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sgorilla80:

Juski: you can use non-proprietary tools to create video with

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sgorilla80:

thats what youtube did

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Juski:

I just worry that folks will spend too much time developing the web side of things

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sgorilla80:

it just "works" on peoples computers

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sgorilla80:

like youtube works

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sgorilla80:

well you dont want to make a flash mythweb thing

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sgorilla80:

that would be crappy

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sgorilla80:

what you want is to be able to run video through flash

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Juski:

mythstreamtv works very well here

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sgorilla80:

does that integrate into the webpage?

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Juski:

yup

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sgorilla80:

like windows media stream ?

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sgorilla80:

cool

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sgorilla80:

i guess that is good enough

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defend:

i think it would be a good idea cause it would allow more users to get intrested in it as it would make the use of myth easyer for those who dont have linux or lack the ability to use linux

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Juski:

only depends on vlc too

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Juski:

defend: I disagree

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sgorilla80:

oh that is a problem

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Juski:

if you lack the ability to use linux, even knoppmyth is almost out of bounds

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sgorilla80:

dependency on vlc

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sgorilla80:

you need something easy for people to use

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defend:

well example me

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sgorilla80:

well its more like you set it up for other people and support it

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defend:

and my roomate

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Juski:

why not concentrate effort on making mythtv easier to install & configure instead?

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kslater:

AndyCap: I'm going to get the DVI-02 card from Mini-box.com and give it a whirl.

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sgorilla80:

you dont expect people to learn linux

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sgorilla80:

but they can use a web browser

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Juski:

you can't set up mythtv using a web browser though

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Juski:

and once mythtv is set up, it's a piece of pie to actually operate it

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sgorilla80:

yeah i would set it up myself

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sgorilla80:

but let other people configure it through web interface

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sgorilla80:

or through tv interface

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defend:

i have fbsd which doesnt work with myth ... i have lappy that is windows ... and my roomate is purely windows ,,, so basicaly it means that he can only stream movies using vlc

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sgorilla80:

i want it to integrate into my phone also, watch live tv and record

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sgorilla80:

well flash would be good

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sgorilla80:

if you can stream it that way

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defend:

i personaly would love to be able to get away from vlc and dsmyth

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defend:

it would make life so much easyer

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sgorilla80:

well i will write a plugin for it

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sgorilla80:

using non-proprietary tools

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sgorilla80:

and release it whatever license mythtv is

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sgorilla80:

http://blog.kovyrin.net/2006/10/08/lighttpd-m . . . r-streaming/

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defend:

i would be more then happy to be a tester

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sgorilla80:

cool

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sgorilla80:

i probably need to set up a trac site

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sgorilla80:

and get some beta testers

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sgorilla80:

or anyone else that is interested in developing it

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defend:

i got trac

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defend:

if u need it

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sgorilla80:

cool

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sgorilla80:

yeah i know how to setup trac fairly well

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sgorilla80:

i guess i can create a branch of mythweb

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defend:

lighttpd :< but myth uses apache

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defend:

by defaulty i think

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sgorilla80:

you right

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sgorilla80:

im going to do it in lighttpd

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sgorilla80:

its a lot better than apache

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defend:

well just msg me if you would like to use my trac

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sgorilla80:

i got a server and trac set up

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defend:

ah k

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sgorilla80:

msg me your email and i will give you the link

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sgorilla80:

when i get it set up

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sgorilla80:

right now im just going to run it on my devel computer

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sgorilla80:

or if your in here alot i will just tell you about it

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defend:

ya i just idle here :)

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defend:

hoping to learn from watching

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defend:

lol

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sgorilla80:

nice

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fryfrog:

osmosis? :)

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defend:

something like that :)

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fryfrog:

rule :)

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ivor:

kslater: pong

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seth|laptop:

ack QT errors compiling mythtv .20 on gentoo

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Honk^away:

is there any way to prevent mythtv from freezing when using a wrapper for /dev/dsp?

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defend:

i feel your pain seth i been trying to get it to compile on freebsd for awhile

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defend:

lol

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seth|laptop:

I am guessing it just needs recompiled, it was a prepackaged gentoo distro, here is crossing my fingers, hehe

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defend:

lol

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Juski:

wooo there's a FAQ for the very same problem my ubuntu box has on the ivtv website

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Juski:

time to take gentoo away for a couple of hours or so...

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czth_:

so yesterday we went to watch one of the movies we'd recently recorded on the myth box

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czth_:

but there was no sound :(

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czth_:

all 5 Hallowe'ens and Fridah the 13th :(. seems after I installed the second PVR-150 and rebooted they defaulted to line in for input. had to ivtvctl -q 0

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czth_:

*Friday

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Juski:

the price you pay for not testing enough.. I'm learning that even after 2 years

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czth_:

heh, oh well, it's just TV

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siXy:

Juski: what do they suggest you do? udev rules or is there a simpler way?

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Juski:

siXy: modprobe options apparently

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siXy:

ah ok

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czth_:

i must have run that command for the original card when i was following the setup instructions. and i guess i need to get it into /etc/conf.d/local.start

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Juski:

siXy: in the section B) IVTV AND DVB CARD INSTALLATION TOGETHER

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Juski:

hahaha only on ubuntu it's not called modules.conf

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siXy:

hmm i cant find it :*(

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Juski:

it's here: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto

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siXy:

ahh yeah i must have scrolled past it – thanks

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Juski:

now if I rmmod ivtv & try to load my dvb tuner module, I get WARNING: Error inserting cx88xx (/lib/modules/2.6.15-23–386/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx88xx.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)

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Juski:

ahh but unloading tveeprom does it

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Juski:

right so I know for sure my dvb tuner modules MUST be loaded before ivtv now

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Juski:

so how do I stop ubuntu automagically loading them and have /etc/modprobe tell it to instead ? I'm assuming a module blacklist

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siXy:

yeeah

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siXy:

just add them both to the blacklist. a lot simpler than messing with udev.

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Juski:

so add tveeprom & cx88-dvb to the blacklist and udev won't automagically load em?

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siXy:

yep

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Juski:

right.. here we go.. reboot ahoy

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Juski:

udev is a bloody _great_ idea, but...

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Juski:

this'll be much less of a PITA when ivtv is in the kernel proper

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Juski:

at least as far as my two tuner types go :)

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siXy:

when i that supposed to happen?

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siXy:

2.19?

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Juski:

when it's ready

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sgorilla80:

does the svn trunk of mythtv use QT?

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Juski:

woo that worked, I think, but I've been there before.. so a bit of a reboot marathon

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Juski:

sgorilla80: all of mythtv uses QT3

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Juski:

that's 'qt' not QuickTime

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siXy:

hmm looks a long way off atm.

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Juski:

yeah but they've made *amazing* progress

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sgorilla80:

Juski: ok im installing the devel packages for those

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Juski:

wooyeah.. one more reboot just to be sure

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Juski:

dammit.. my poor little mythbackend has never been rebooted so many times in one day before

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Juski:

but, it's in a good cause... my fucking s a n i t y

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siXy:

hehe

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Juski:

if that really has fixed it, I'll be glad

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Juski:

yehehehehehehe! 3 reboots in a row, and all is well.. more than I could say before

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siXy:

yey ! :D

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siXy:

this definately needs to be written down somewhere tho – could give a newbie a serious headache

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siXy:

firts article in the ubuntu-mythtv wiki? :)

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siXy:

*first

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Honk^away:

2006-11–02 19:27:43.775 in SetParameters(format=2, channels=2, rate=44100, buffer_time=500000, period_time=125000)

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Honk^away:

2006-11–02 19:27:43.775 AudioOutput Error: Access type not available: Invalid argument

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Honk^away:

^-- any clue what might be causing this? or better: how to prevent it =)

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Juski:

siXy: I totally agree

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Juski:

I'll blog it first

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Juski:

then add it to as many wiki pages as I can find

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sgorilla80:

siXy: I had trouble with ubuntu and mythtv

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sgorilla80:

i think the dapper packages are not working

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siXy:

cool

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siXy:

sgorilla80: you really want edgy for mythtv. dapper is a bit old now.

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sgorilla80:

well atleast not able to import xmltv data

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sgorilla80:

well i am scared to upgrade to edgy

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sgorilla80:

is it difficult to do?

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czth_:

even better, screw ubuntu, use gentoo

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siXy:

dapper only has myth pacakges up to 0.8.1 or something. edgy has 0.20

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sgorilla80:

ah

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siXy:

its as hard as sticking the cd in unless you have lots of custom modules

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sgorilla80:

oh

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GreyFoxx:

No! screw <OTHERDISTROHERE>! Use <MYDISTROOFCHOICE>!!

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sgorilla80:

i dont really have anything custom

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siXy:

lol greyfox

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sgorilla80:

i like ubuntu a lot

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sgorilla80:

close to bleeding edge

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sgorilla80:

but not super bleeding edge

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siXy:

sgorilla80: should be fine then. ofc backup before you do it tho :)

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sgorilla80:

heh, good idea

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JDStone:

even if I want to just run a frontend, do I still need mythtv-database and mythtv-backend?

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JDStone:

and mysql-server?

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sgorilla80:

siXy: whats the best way to go about upgrading, changing sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade ?

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GreyFoxx:

JDStone: yes

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GreyFoxx:

all configuration including the frontends is stored in the database

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Juski:

JDStone: if you want to use the tv functions you need a backend, for sure. you also need the mysql database

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JDStone:

Juski: GreyFoxx I running a backend on my server

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kslater:

AndyCap: still around?

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JDStone:

so I need to install all of those packages?

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GreyFoxx:

JDStone: A sql database has to be somewhere, but you don't need it to be on the remote frontend

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JDStone:

GreyFoxx: ok, but how do I configure where the backend is. I don't have myth-setup

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GreyFoxx:

as long as the frontend can reach it on the same or another machine that's fine

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GreyFoxx:

JDStone: that is why people should NOT be seperating the backend and frontend into seperate packages

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GreyFoxx:

mythtv-setup is likely being put in with the backend package

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GreyFoxx:

so you will need it

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JDStone:

ok

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JDStone:

thanks

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Juski:

just thought I'd try the scan command from dvb-utils juuuuust to be on the safe side... and yep.. it's ok

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JDStone:

but I see what you're saying

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siXy:

sgorilla80: i would ask that in #ubuntu if i were you – they may have some gotchas to be aware of.

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Juski:

teattime :)

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siXy:

GreyFoxx: i like the idea of having seperate front- and back-end packages

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GreyFoxx:

Why? To save a couple hundred k of space?

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GreyFoxx:

And end up missing mythtv-setup

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GreyFoxx:

and endup having to later install the backend if you want a slave

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GreyFoxx:

or want the frontend to do commercial detection?

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GreyFoxx:

etc etc

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GreyFoxx:

If there was a big benefit to it I would agree

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GreyFoxx:

But you also end up with Version xxxx backend, and version yyyy frontend

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GreyFoxx:

It's a whole lot of annoyance users don't need to deal with to save less than a meg of disk space

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siXy:

yeah i guess. i suppose you dont have to _run_ the backend

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GreyFoxx:

exactly

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GreyFoxx:

B ut having it there gives you a lot more flexbility without having to install stuff later

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GreyFoxx:

and you avoid missmatches on the local machine

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AndyCap:

kslater: varies

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siXy:

and cuts down on luser errors ;)

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GreyFoxx:

yes :)

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jduggan:

not an ivtv driver device!

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jduggan:

this is what ivtvctl tells me

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jduggan:

hrm sec

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jduggan:

hrm

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jduggan:

this is weird

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Juski:

maybe your ivtv tuner isn't /dev/video0 – that's what ivtvctl defaults to

[19:16:03]

jduggan:

has anyone ever come across a case where /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 have changed places seemingly automagically?

[19:16:19]

Juski:

yeah just recently infact

[19:16:26]

jduggan:

yea i have a hauppauge software card in there also, which *was* on video0

[19:16:33]

jduggan:

so nowonder i was gettin that error

[19:16:44]

Juski:

you need a module blacklist :)

[19:16:56]

jduggan:

aah, its the order the modules are loaded?

[19:17:04]

Juski:

aye

[19:17:12]

jduggan:

makes sense

[19:17:28]

jduggan:

thats easy enough to fix

[19:17:36]

Juski:

and apparently they're detected in the order the PCI bus enumerates them.. which can be erm.. unpredictable

[19:17:43]

jduggan:

have modutils load one, and put one in a boot script

[19:18:00]

jduggan:

yah i thought it also worked via pci bus location

[19:18:23]

siXy:

jduggan: ubuntu?

[19:18:34]

jduggan:

dont swear

[19:18:39]

jduggan:

:p

[19:18:44]

Juski:

nowt wrong with ubuntu

[19:18:50]

jduggan:

nah its unstable debian

[19:18:52]

jduggan:

Juski: shrug

[19:18:54]

jduggan:

never used it

[19:18:58]

Juski:

see?

[19:19:00]

jduggan:

ive been with debian for ~8years

[19:19:23]

siXy:

hmm this seems to be a more common issue tha i would have expected

[19:19:49]

kormoc:

it's easy enough to fix with udev

[19:20:12]

Juski:

mixing tuner types.. I can see now why windows MCE would rather folks stay away from that ;)

[19:20:14]

siXy:

kormoc: yes, although there is an easier fix

[19:20:28]

Juski:

udev isn't _that_ easy

[19:20:46]

siXy:

Juski: oddly ive never had that problem with fedora or gentoo tho

[19:20:51]

Juski:

me neither

[19:21:06]

Juski:

but on gentoo it's _you_ who decides the module loading order, not the OS

[19:21:31]

siXy:

on gentoo its you who decides everything, and woe betide you if you make a mistake :)

[19:21:32]

kormoc:

you could script it...

[19:21:57]

** kormoc loves gentoo **

[19:22:11]

Juski:

kormoc: my point is, a noob would very quickly find himself/herself way over their head & it kind of unwraps the 'linux for human beings' angle

[19:22:26]

siXy:

kormoc all you need is a modprobe.conf option and a module blacklist. a lot easier than udev rules.

[19:22:27]

kormoc:

hrm

[19:22:31]

jduggan:

my irblaster has stopped eworking, stracing the device and the cmd send, it appears to succeed but its not making the blaster flash

[19:23:26]

kormoc:

Juski, I'll grant you that it's not /that/ easy, but then, I don't think linux is for 'humans' percey

[19:23:37]

** Juski laughs **

[19:23:39]

kormoc:

siXy, if it's blacklisted, how would it get autoloaded?

[19:23:58]

Juski:

kormoc: the blacklist stops udev autoloading modules in the wrong order

[19:24:10]

Juski:

well it stops the random right/wrong order issue

[19:24:22]

kormoc:

udev doesn't autoload, nor does the modules.blacklist have any affect on udev I thought

[19:24:26]

Juski:

it had me fooled on Sunday, into thinking all was well.. and it was til I rebooted

[19:24:40]

siXy:

kormoc the point is to stop it getting autoloaded.

[19:24:44]

Juski:

well _something_ does autoload modules, and putting them into the blacklist stops it

[19:25:23]

kormoc:

fair nuff, tho having the noob manually modprobing or adding it to cron or similar doesn't seem much better personally

[19:25:28]

siXy:

and i thought udev read modules.blacklist – but i could be wrong...

[19:25:38]

Juski:

autodetection etc is a great idea, but when it moves hardware around onto different nodes all hell can break loose

[19:26:06]

kormoc:

hotplug autoloads modules and similar

[19:26:14]

kormoc:

which is quite differnet from udev

[19:26:17]

Juski:

I was moaning about this to a guy at work today & he basically said "well what if mythtv looked after that instead?".. and I laughed

[19:26:27]

Dagmar:

'specially since hotplug is more or less obsolete now

[19:27:09]

Juski:

this'd be less of an issue if ivtv didn't have its own versions of modules... and that's already happened in later revisions

[19:27:22]

Dagmar:

<-- still runs 2.6.17.13

[19:27:23]

jams:

Dagmar correct as it's been replaced with udevs autoloading

[19:27:26]

Juski:

and by the time it's all in the kernel it'll be a mere memory I expect

[19:27:32]

kormoc:

what ever happened to the whole ivtv merge into vanilla kernel thing?

[19:27:44]

Dagmar:

jams: Considering I've been up one side of udev and down the other, with a flashlight and rubber glove in the last week or so... ;)

[19:27:45]

Juski:

kormoc: still underway, little by little

[19:27:58]

Dagmar:

It's the "little by little" that's causing chaos.

[19:28:17]

Juski:

what other way would they be able to do it though?

[19:28:19]

Dagmar:

Wholly separate == 2.6.17.x.

[19:28:32]

Dagmar:

Abominably mangled, 2.6.18.x

[19:28:34]

Juski:

anyway – it's *being fixed*

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kormoc:

ahh, so udev checks for hotplug, and if it's not there, it will autoload

[19:29:15]

kormoc:

so it can autoload, amusing

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Dagmar:

Well, otherwise people who haven't been reading (and have not yet migrated away from hotplugd) or who are dependent on custom hotplug scripts will be in for a lot of "excitement"

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defend:

:<

[19:31:05]

defend:

i am using hotplug

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** defend hides **

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Dagmar:

Okay, so is all your stuff working?

[19:31:19]

kormoc:

yeah, I don't use autoloading at all, so I haven't really kept up on how it's delt with

[19:31:30]

defend:

ya it apears to be

[19:31:32]

Dagmar:

If so, wait until the churn goes away and do a clean jump to the latest kernel and stuff

[19:31:52]

defend:

i am not touching it for a long time

[19:32:02]

siXy:

lots of netsplits today :/

[19:32:13]

defend:

lol i have pvr-500 and it caused me such a head ache to get it working lkol

[19:32:19]

Dagmar:

Yeah, some punters got it into their heads apparently that it's some kind of challenge to DDoS an IRC network

[19:32:38]

siXy:

ahh.

[19:32:54]

Dagmar:

Turn on +w and you'll see the opers occasionally commenting on the status

[19:33:06]

jams:

alot of "recent" distributions decided to keep hotplug as the autoloader. Mostly because udev was changing on a day to day basis.

[19:33:24]

jams:

alought with udev 1.0 being out that should no longer be the case

[19:33:29]

Dagmar:

Yeah, udev has settled down but HAL is still in a state of relative chaos

[19:33:46]

Dagmar:

So, not out of the woods yet. Plenty of scrub vegetation underfoot

[19:34:01]

Juski:

so what does ubuntu use to autodetect/autoload modules then?

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siXy:

no idea how to do +w in mirc and my linux desktop is panicking atm :/

[19:34:27]

Dagmar:

Primarily udev, since those guys are tied in pretty close with the Project Utopia stuff that spawned dbus, hal, and udev to begin with

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kormoc:

/mode siXy +w

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Dagmar:

...which is a really keen direction to go in, but it just takes time to work these sorts of things out

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Juski:

I wonder if anyone has ever even considered how some folks mix & match their tuner cards...

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jams:

Juski- when your cards move around like saw it's almost always udev autoload doing it

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Dagmar:

This is why if you have a HAL problem, the best place to go to find the answer is Ubuntu's Bugzilla (at least that's what I've been seeing)

[19:35:18]

Tomblaireau:

Hi everybody

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Juski:

Dagmar: plan :)

[19:35:41]

Dagmar:

jams: Well, in his case I think it's a matter of bus enumeration still being kind of racy

[19:35:43]

jams:

really sucks when it does that to your network cards

[19:35:53]

Dagmar:

Nah, network cards are *easy* to fix.

[19:36:05]

Dagmar:

There's probably a way to do the same thing with v4l devices but I don't know it.

[19:36:29]

Dagmar:

If you alias an interface name to a module, it will always keep that name. So like, "alias eth2 3c509" will make your 3c509 adapter always be eth2

[19:36:58]

siXy:

kormoc: thanks

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Juski:

Dagmar: but what if you have more than one of the same?

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** kormoc ponders what happens when alias eth0 e1000 and alias eth1 e1000 are together **

[19:37:12]

Dagmar:

Gods forbid you have two of the things tho.

[19:37:12]

Dagmar:

Then you'd better be ready to set some IRQs in the BIOS and fixate them with irq= module options

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** kormoc laughs **

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** Juski laughs **

[19:37:35]

Dagmar:

Mainly I'm just glad I have an assortment of network cards.

[19:37:57]

Juski:

now I can TOTALLY see why MCE only allow you to have 2 tuners

[19:37:58]

Dagmar:

...or I make the client buy one of those four-port intel cards

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** kormoc ponders if udev can query mac addresses **

[19:38:24]

jams:

Dagmar- the correct way to use ifrename, or write some udev rules based on the mac address

[19:38:37]

Juski:

it still sounds majorly messy to me

[19:38:40]

Dagmar:

jams: Why would I want to rename an interface?

[19:39:14]

Dagmar:

Setting local udev rules based on the mac address is doable tho

[19:39:36]

jams:

you would wan to rename them, so that its consistent.

[19:39:46]

Dagmar:

I mean, I *do* have a machine which has interfaces named "internal" and "external" because I got tired of screwing up my iptables rules

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kormoc:

that would be the perfered way imho, as mac's won't change no matter what the driver uses

[19:40:12]

Dagmar:

jams: I mean why would I bother doing that if I can get away with aliasing interfaces to particular modules in the kernel's device namespace

[19:40:17]

jams:

works a tad bit better then doing the mac address via udev (provided you want device names like eth1 eth0_

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jams:

in your case it works, because you have several differnt types of cards. People with identical cards are not so lucky.

[19:42:15]

Dagmar:

jams: That's when I get geeky and go for fixing the IRQs in the motherboards BIOS

[19:42:21]

Honk^away:

is there any way to use mythtv with pulseaudio? (i get "2006-11–02 19:27:43.775 AudioOutput Error: Access type not available: Invalid argument" when i tell mythtv to play back using the pulse alsa device)

[19:42:31]

Juski:

makes me kinda think that taking jumper settings off cards was the worst thing they ever did

[19:43:18]

jams:

right, but again you cant always do that

[19:43:21]

kormoc:

meh, I'm happy that jumpers are gone and it's automagically done

[19:43:36]

Juski:

actually no – it's all this shared interrupt & addressing business. maintaining compatibility with dinosoars

[19:43:41]

Dagmar:

jams: You would be amazed at what I can do to a motherboard's BIOS. :)

[19:43:56]

jams:

I use several cards with 4 ports on a single cards

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Dagmar:

I love those.

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Dagmar:

Always gets them in the same order, every time. :)

[19:44:16]

Juski:

are they _ever_ gonna do away with legacy support once & for all? it's a ballache

[19:44:48]

stuarta:

evening all

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Juski:

even' stuarta :)

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Juski:

Honk^away: does the card even fscking work in linux?

[19:45:39]

Honk^away:

it's not a card :P

[19:45:47]

Honk^away:

it's a sound daemon.. and.. of course

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Juski:

wha?

[19:46:09]

Juski:

no idea... and never seen it mentioned in here before you brought it up, so you calculate the odds...

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Honk^away:

well.. i'd go for any other way to output my sound on 2 cards at the same time =)

[19:46:56]

Juski:

Honk^away: in olden days they'd call that a minijack splitter adapter

[19:47:14]

jams:

hehehe

[19:47:32]

Honk^away:

errh.. i doubt i can plug my usb-dongle in there

[19:48:18]

jams:

don't want to plug your dongle where it does't belong

[19:48:55]

Honk^away:

well.. i need that usb-soundcard to have sound on my headphones though =)

[19:49:34]

kormoc:

you could have just, I donno, perhaps bought standard headphones?

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Honk^away:

kinda expensive if you want 'em to be wireless and digital ;)

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kormoc:

sure, but least they'd work... :P

[19:51:17]

Honk^away:

they do work

[19:51:27]

Honk^away:

mythtv doesnt :P

[19:51:46]

Dagmar:

There's a quick test for that

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Dagmar:

cat /boot/vmlinuz > /dev/audio

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Honk^away:

errh.. actually.. no

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Dagmar:

If you hear a sound like your computer grinding it's gears into reverse at about 150Mph, then your sound is working.

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Honk^away:

mplayer file.mp3

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Honk^away:

works just great

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kormoc:

via the *same* alsa interface you are pointing myth at?

[19:52:49]

Honk^away:

yes

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Dagmar:

If you're tellign Myth to playback to ALSA:anything you're not pointing it at the same place mplayer is likely writing to

[19:53:50]

Honk^away:

i'm telling it to use ALSA:default

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kormoc:

Dagmar, mplayer supports alsa outputs too

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Honk^away:

or :pulse, depending on what i'm trying ;)

[19:54:16]

Honk^away:

and both work with mplayer

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Dagmar:

Stick with what works

[19:55:56]

Honk^away:

nothing works with mythtv

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kormoc:

and you're sure pulse audio supports direct access?

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Honk^away:

well.. the oss wrapper works.. kinda..

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Dagmar:

The error message would seem to indicate that it does not

[19:56:29]

Honk^away:

if it didnt hang the frontend on every second sound :P

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jduggan:

right, someone here MUST be able to help me with external channel changers :|

[19:56:59]

Honk^away:

kormoc: what kind of access does mythtv need to play back a few music files? =)

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jduggan:

Honk^away: read access ;o

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kormoc:

Honk^away, last I knew myth used direct hardware access to the sound devices to tweak the sound buffer

[19:58:34]

Honk^away:

through alsa?

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kormoc:

though both, aye

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kormoc:

*through

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Juski:

jduggan: come on then..

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jduggan:

Juski: i have a change_channel script which takes argv off the cmd line (which works)

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Juski:

jduggan: so your ir script seems to work but isn't sending anything...

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jduggan:

i have a bash wrapper for it which basically has just /usr/bin/change_channel $1

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jduggan:

mythbackend.log has the error 'irsend: not enough arguements'

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jduggan:

which basically, im guessing its not passing the correct string

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czth_:

what args are you passing? what args does it want?

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jduggan:

czth_: was just about to strace lircd but gotta wait till hollyoaks has finished coz the gf is watching tv, so cant test it :)

[20:10:47]

jduggan:

so basically, i dont know what mythtv is sending

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jduggan:

yet

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czth_:

what are you telling it to send?

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jduggan:

i think its possibly my script

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czth_:

in the [ ] box

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jduggan:

/path/to/wrapper

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jduggan:

only

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jduggan:

it says it takes the arg that mythtv passes to it in the info box below

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czth_:

does your script pass on $1?

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jduggan:

script bein the wrapper script?

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czth_:

yes

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czth_:

you could add a line to do echo "got argument: $1;" >> myscript.log

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jduggan:

well if i ./wrapper 101 it works

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jduggan:

so assuming so

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czth_:

hrm

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czth_:

do you need to put a '%s' at the end to have it pass the #?

[20:13:41]

jduggan:

in mythtv command box?

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Juski:

I don't think so

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czth_:

hm: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/56565 ;?

[20:13:59]

Juski:

I can check my 'ext ch change command'

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czth_:

says you get freqid not channum, check if that's populated in the table

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jduggan:

freqid?

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jduggan:

hmm i havent set those

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jduggan:

since its all from tv_grab

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czth_:

looks like that's what's getting passed in

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jduggan:

and im using it from digital satelite

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jduggan:

aah ok

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jduggan:

well i'll have a play

[20:15:21]

jduggan:

soon as hollyoaks finished

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jduggan:

:p

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Juski:

ahh you need freqid

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Juski:

I told you last night/the other night it passed freqid to the script

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jduggan:

hmm, maybe, that was before i got epg working :P

[20:17:10]

jduggan:

so probably didnt know what u were on about :)

[20:17:36]

jduggan:

Juski: do you know how to change the EPG font size?

[20:18:11]

jduggan:

in the program guide the channel name only shows like the middle three chars

[20:18:12]

Juski:

jduggan: if the theme you're using allows it, change it in the 'large' 'small' and 'normal' settings in the appearance menu

[20:18:32]

Juski:

jduggan: heh. blame the UK for having long channel names, not XYZ1

[20:18:41]

jduggan:

ah ok

[20:18:46]

jduggan:

like UKTV GOLD

[20:18:52]

jduggan:

i might see 'V G'

[20:18:58]

jduggan:

with the edges of T and O

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Juski:

like "UKTV living, gameshows & wanking"

[20:19:23]

GreyFoxx:

Now that would be an interesting channel to see

[20:19:24]

Juski:

there's prolly a channel called that for real

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jduggan:

and in the program guide the info for the program goes ... because there's to much of it for the window, how do i view all that?

[20:19:58]

jduggan:

since up/down/left/right scroll the channels/programs

[20:20:01]

mirak:

anyone ever used vdr ?

[20:20:17]

Juski:

jduggan: you don't need the %s btw :)

[20:20:26]

Juski:

mirak: try asking in #vdr

[20:20:29]

jduggan:

Juski: yea, didnt think so

[20:20:45]

mirak:

Juski: well it's empty, that's proably somewhere else

[20:21:04]

Juski:

they're prolly off cracking some encripplement or some other lawbreaking activity

[20:21:18]

GreyFoxx:

Wow, I just did a simple count on the number of emails in my imap folders. .... 182693 messages

[20:22:21]

stuarta:

hehe. i've only around 4–5000

[20:22:46]

mirak:

just I am afraid vdr outpus nothing to X ...

[20:22:54]

GreyFoxx:

I get 7500 spam a month, but thanks to greylisting only about 100 make it through, and 90 of those are caught by spam assassin

[20:23:04]

Juski:

mirak: vdr doesn't use X

[20:23:22]

Juski:

directfb last time I looked

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GreyFoxx:

those 182K are archives off all of the mailing lists I'm on where I haven't cleaned them out.

[20:23:40]

GreyFoxx:

Though I do empty my myth lists, I have them archived elsewhere

[20:23:44]

GreyFoxx:

crazy stuff

[20:24:07]

Juski:

stuarta: btw... looky here.. http://mythtvguy.wordpress.com/2006/09/07/who . . . is/#comments

[20:24:23]

Juski:

aww we made someone's whole expo :)

[20:25:18]

mirak:

Juski: oh my god that's pretty useless then ...

[20:25:22]

stuarta:

hey cool :) looks like at least one person took our advice to try it again :)

[20:25:31]

Juski:

mirak: you said that, not me :)

[20:26:19]

Juski:

stuarta: highlight of a shitty day for me, reading that. god I need some better days

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stuarta:

i'm loving this new job, keeping me busy & out of mischief....

[20:29:38]

GreyFoxx:

but but... mischief is fun!

[20:29:56]

** stuarta has a whole weekend of that planned ;-) **

[20:30:30]

stuarta:

going to twickenham on sunday for Eng V NZ in the rugby.

[20:30:35]

stuarta:

supporting NZ :)

[20:31:08]

Juski:

heheh

[20:31:34]

** Juski beers stuarta **

[20:31:47]

Juski:

like you'll need the practice ;)

[20:31:54]

GreyFoxx:

I went to a rugby game once when I was in Australia, though the seats sucked and I could barely see

[20:32:03]

GreyFoxx:

it was cool how enthused the crowd was though :)

[20:33:53]

Juski:

anyone happen to know where an ubuntu hardware wiki exists?

[20:34:14]

** stuarta chuggs the beer **

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Juski:

ach I've had enough googling for one night

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stuarta:

catching up on pointless tv is much more fun

[20:35:40]

jduggan:

hmm

[20:35:43]

jduggan:

so guys

[20:35:49]

Juski:

hmmm?

[20:35:49]

jduggan:

explain how a second tuner works

[20:35:56]

jduggan:

as regards to recording

[20:36:11]

jduggan:

do i need a second epg list?

[20:36:17]

czth__:

like magic! you set it up and it lets you record 2 things

[20:36:17]

Juski:

nope

[20:36:23]

czth__:

not if it's splitting the same input

[20:36:27]

stuarta:

nope, use the same datasource for both

[20:36:35]

Juski:

well you do if it's gonna record different sets of channels

[20:36:49]

jduggan:

Juski: what if one is sky and one is freeview, so there's different channels between the two

[20:37:02]

czth__:

beware though, Myth 0.20 seems to have a bug where you can't set the path for the second device properly; it also wants to be /dev/v4l/video0 for me. i had to change it in mysql.

[20:37:02]

stuarta:

yeah, but if you have 2 dvb-t cards then 1 datasource.

[20:37:17]

stuarta:

if 1 is sky and 1 is freeview then you need 2 datasources.

[20:37:23]

Juski:

jduggan: I have freeview & cable.. therefore 2 data sources

[20:37:40]

stuarta:

the recording rules work on channel "name"

[20:37:49]

jduggan:

just take, bbc, if its 101 on sky and just '1' on freeview i need two data sources right?

[20:38:15]

stuarta:

you need 2 datasources because there are different channels on each card

[20:38:20]

stuarta:

even though there is some overlap

[20:38:29]

Juski:

I have 2 freeview tuners, and don't put the channels I can get on freeview on the cable source

[20:38:51]

jduggan:

stuarta: ah, so if i name the two seperate channels (two cards) the same name it choses which card to view?

[20:38:56]

jduggan:

can you set a preference?

[20:39:02]

stuarta:

yes and yes

[20:39:10]

jduggan:

ok cool

[20:39:16]

jduggan:

makes sense doing it by channel name

[20:39:35]

jduggan:

so i can edit the epg do only actually have one of the duplicate channels in there

[20:39:42]

Juski:

you could have the '$ky' BBC1 set to a lower priority than the freeview one for example, IIRC

[20:39:53]

jduggan:

ok

[20:39:54]

Juski:

so if the freeview one is free it'll use that first

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stuarta:

indeed

[20:39:56]

mirak:

Juski: just to correct the truth, it seems vdr have plugins to display on X and fb

[20:40:09]

Juski:

mirak: good for you, vdr user :)

[20:40:41]

stuarta:

!trout mirak vdr using

[20:40:41]

** MythLogBot slaps mirak with a vdr using trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[20:40:51]

Juski:

vdr don't yet do client-server stuff, so you might find that a bit limiting compared to mythtv

[20:41:03]

Juski:

it's all in one box or not at all IIRC

[20:41:19]

Juski:

otherwise, you go get em

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mirak:

I think they fight for the same cause

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stuarta:

jduggan: i've found that 2 dvb-t cards can record plenty to keep me busy

[20:42:02]

mirak:

I us mythtv for 2 years so I will look how vdr is doing

[20:42:04]

** Juski only has cable for his 'mythbusters' **

[20:42:15]

stuarta:

which is now on bbc

[20:42:19]

mirak:

bye

[20:42:49]

Juski:

yeah but they're old mythbusters

[20:43:09]

stuarta:

i like it, but i can't be arsed recording it...

[20:43:10]

Juski:

plus I'm all set up for '24' when it starts in January yay

[20:44:12]

stuarta:

i'm glad i fixed the 24 regexp in the fixups. much better now.

[20:45:38]

Juski:

I'm glad you did too

[20:46:25]

Juski:

damn. I need to try a newer version of minimyth. soft power off seems to be broken in the version I'm using

[20:46:52]

robbins876:

Juski> Is minimyth pretty easy to get installed?

[20:47:55]

Juski:

robbins876: tell the truth apart from a couple of really minor niggles it's the quickest install you'll ever do

[20:48:39]

robbins876:

really? will you help me out with it?

[20:48:42]

Juski:

get tftp server & DHCP server up & running, plonk some files in a dir somewhere & off you go (ish)

[20:49:45]

Juski:

oo time trumpet is on tonight?

[20:50:22]

Juski:

ermm.. it's not.. myth has it confused with buzzcocks

[20:50:39]

Juski:

timeslot issues

[20:50:43]

Juski:

easy sorted

[20:52:37]

Juski:

Pete burns' cosmetic surgery nightmares?! WTF?! they axed 'footballers wives' etc to put rubbish like that on?! hahah

[20:52:42]

jduggan:

hmm, this is weird, i rebooted and the modules changed (i stopped the one loading for now), now mythtv tells me it cant open tv because it cant open /dev/video1 yet in mythtv-setup it shows the device as /dev/video0.. corrupt db? or what?

[20:52:48]

jduggan:

just tryin a reboot now

[20:53:03]

stuarta:

didn't juski just have that problem?

[20:53:10]

Juski:

jduggan: that is SO current

[20:53:40]

Juski:

blacklist all the modules involved & load them in the 'correct order' instead

[20:53:55]

Juski:

that's how I fixed it anyway

[20:54:35]

stuarta:

Juski: that wildlife video i used as a demo is on next wed film 4

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Juski:

aye mythtv is a bugger for expecting to always find Tuner card X at a certain node.. what _were_ the devs thinking of not taking into account the random nature of PCI bus enumeration ?

[20:55:09]

Juski:

;)

[20:55:28]

Juski:

stuarta: cool..

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stuarta:

microcosmos is it's name

[20:56:10]

** stuarta suggests anyone else who wants a demo video record it. **

[20:56:12]

Juski:

aye.. conflicts with soaps

[20:56:27]

Juski:

bastard soap operas

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stuarta:

it'll eventually be on again

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jduggan:

Juski: well i did blacklist bttv but it was still loading so i renamed the module for now so it cant load (since i dont even use my software encoder card) now the card has moved back to /dev/video0 i changed it in mythtv-setup but mythfrontend is still trying to open /dev/video1?

[20:56:37]

jduggan:

Juski: a reboot didnt fix it

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** Juski remembers who has executive control of the mythtv box **

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stuarta:

ooo X2, the x men sequel

[20:57:11]

Juski:

jduggan: if you intend to leave it that way you may need to delete the card & put it back in in mythtv-setup

[20:57:18]

Juski:

either that or do some mysql-fu

[20:57:41]

Juski:

yay for film4+1 :)

[20:57:48]

jduggan:

Juski: i tried that, didnt help :( also tried a symlink of video1 ->vide0

[20:57:53]

stuarta:

:(

[20:58:35]

Juski:

jduggan: if you're never gonna use the bttv card the best thing to do would be to yank it outta there

[20:59:25]

Juski:

and before making any changes to your devices, stop mythbackend

[20:59:35]

Juski:

likewise before doing any changes in mythtv-setup

[21:00:44]

Juski:

when I swapped over to ubuntu my pvr150 card became /dev/video2 where in gentoo it used to be /dev/video0

[21:01:05]

Juski:

changing it in mythtv-setup wasn't working so I ended up deleting the card & putting it in there again

[21:01:15]

BULLE:

thats the wonderful world of udev and diff distros using diff udev rules =(

[21:01:29]

** stuarta is surprised all those movies he just scheduled didn't conflict **

[21:01:49]

GreyFoxx:

I'm still a fan of static /dev entries myself :)

[21:02:00]

Juski:

so was I

[21:02:17]

BULLE:

GreyFoxx: well, for static devices, like internal harddrives etc, i must agree, that static devices makes sense

[21:02:19]

GreyFoxx:

I can see auto creating one if one doesn't exist, but there should be no need to autogen everyboot

[21:02:21]

stuarta:

you can use options to control what gets called what...

[21:02:25]

siXy:

static /dev entires are a pita with usb devices tho

[21:02:26]

BULLE:

GreyFoxx: but with pluggable usb stuff, firewire etc

[21:02:37]

Juski:

stuarta: not very noob friendly though

[21:02:39]

GreyFoxx:

BULLE: Certain things I can understand like that

[21:02:50]

stuarta:

not at all

[21:03:11]

GreyFoxx:

dev/dynamic/*

[21:03:12]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

[21:03:35]

Juski:

guy at work was having a laugh at my expense when I told him my udev tale.. "see, I keep telling you linux isnt for human beings"

[21:03:42]

GreyFoxx:

If I use chown or chmod to set a permission on /dev/ entry I should not have to edit a config file to make it stick imho :)

[21:03:43]

stuarta:

the autoexpirer will be doing some work next week

[21:03:51]

Juski:

then I just said "yeah maybe, but nor are computers full stop"

[21:04:18]

stuarta:

4 episodes of planet earth off the HD test mux plus 5 movies in 24hrs...

[21:04:31]

GreyFoxx:

h264 stuff ?

[21:04:33]

Juski:

go mythtv go mythtv :)

[21:04:50]

stuarta:

GreyFoxx: yup. transcodes down nicely as I discovered the other day

[21:04:55]

GreyFoxx:

sweet

[21:05:18]

GreyFoxx:

I see DK has been merging back in the IPTV changes

[21:05:23]

stuarta:

going to have to archive them for the next LinuxExpo....

[21:05:32]

GreyFoxx:

next year ?

[21:05:39]

stuarta:

yup

[21:05:45]

Juski:

hey instead of being sat here congratulating myself for fixing my tuners I coulda been mocking up some mroe mythmusic stuff

[21:05:50]

Juski:

doh

[21:05:59]

stuarta:

shit happens

[21:06:00]

GreyFoxx:

Maybe I'll use some of my points and fly over. Bring the wife for a trip :)

[21:06:23]

Juski:

there was good beerage.. er.. I mean stuff at the expo

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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stuarta:

not sure which had the bigger focus, beer or expo.....

[21:07:58]

Juski:

I know I didnt have too good a focus on wednesday night/thursday morning

[21:09:01]

Juski:

is there not another one before 12 months away?

[21:09:12]

Juski:

LRL in the summer, if we get asked back :)

[21:09:35]

GreyFoxx:

It was just a 2 day expo right ?

[21:09:39]

Juski:

yup

[21:09:42]

GreyFoxx:

In London ?

[21:09:43]

Juski:

enough

[21:09:59]

Juski:

yeah.. in the big schmoke

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stuarta:

make it at least a week and you can do some sightseeing

[21:10:29]

GreyFoxx:

I should take a week (or 2 off) at the same time and bring the wife. She would love to go back to London. I can fly free, my big question is how much accommedations/food will cost :)

[21:11:12]

defend:

FN~GreyFoxx, i will let u adopt me if u take me lol

[21:11:17]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[21:11:30]

defend:

i want to goto london lol

[21:11:36]

GreyFoxx:

I've never been to England myself, so it should be interesting

[21:11:45]

defend:

where are you from?

[21:11:51]

GreyFoxx:

Most of of my Europe travel has been to Belgium and Amsterdam

[21:11:54]

GreyFoxx:

Canada

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BULLE:

GreyFoxx: i want to be adopted and taken to uk aswell please!

[21:12:29]

GreyFoxx:

I use to travel a lot for business but it was all US/South America/Asia

[21:12:31]

defend:

lol no way bulle i was first

[21:12:51]

BULLE:

defend: im cuter then you are!

[21:12:52]

czth__:

i have dual UK-Canada citizenship, probably US too in not too long

[21:12:55]

GreyFoxx:

but a week long holiday over there would certainly make the wife happy. she'd have me move there if possible hehe

[21:12:57]

defend:

lol

[21:13:03]

Juski:

GreyFoxx: it can be as cheap as you like to stay in London.. anywhere from £20 a night

[21:13:12]

czth__:

we plan to go to UK + maybe some of Europe too next summer

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GreyFoxx:

heh how nice are those at 20 heh

[21:13:31]

Juski:

the £20 end is a hostel though

[21:13:41]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh wonder if we're too old :)

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Juski:

and hotels at £40 or so are a bit erm... basic

[21:13:47]

GreyFoxx:

<<-- 32 now, be 33 next year

[21:14:05]

GreyFoxx:

well, I don't mind a basic room as long as it's clean and warm

[21:14:11]

Juski:

warm? hahaha

[21:14:14]

GreyFoxx:

I plan to spend most of my time out and use the room as storage

[21:14:15]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[21:14:26]

jduggan:

2006-11–02 21:14:39.327 Channel(/dev/video0)::TuneTo(101): Error, failed to find channel.

[21:14:34]

Juski:

if you want a warm room, don't stay at the oxford hotel near earl's court

[21:14:41]

Juski:

;)

[21:14:44]

jduggan:

uhm, in my data source 101 is the channel name and the freq id

[21:14:49]

jduggan:

so how can it not find 101?

[21:14:58]

jduggan:

of bbc1

[21:14:59]

jduggan:

btw

[21:15:01]

null__:

how can I make myth show umlauts in EPG correctly?

[21:15:15]

Juski:

jduggan: does the channel also have a number of 101 ?

[21:15:17]

GreyFoxx:

I'll start mentioning it tonight, I might start asking about good spots ot visit

[21:15:25]

jduggan:

Juski: number of 101?

[21:15:28]

GreyFoxx:

I find talking to locals better than following tourist guides.

[21:15:35]

Mr-C_:

I have a problem where when I try to view live tv in mythtv, I get an error stating "livetv not successfully started"

[21:15:40]

czth__:

visit the Lake District if you're going far

[21:15:48]

BULLE:

null__: it should just work afaik, if it works in x normaly

[21:15:50]

Juski:

GreyFoxx: science museum, museums, etc etc etc

[21:15:56]

BULLE:

i dont know, as my language dont have any umlauts

[21:16:03]

BULLE:

but we have special chars, and those work ok

[21:16:04]

Juski:

if you're a culture vulture there's loads

[21:16:06]

null__:

BULLE: ok, so I think I may built the wrong locales =)

[21:16:11]

GreyFoxx:

cool

[21:16:14]

** GreyFoxx heads home **

[21:16:15]

GreyFoxx:

later

[21:16:22]

Juski:

ttfn :)

[21:16:23]

BULLE:

null__: yeah, that is one possibility

[21:16:30]

defend:

cya

[21:16:35]

BULLE:

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jduggan:

Juski: for example in 'channel editor' of mythtv-setup channel name is 'BBC1' Channel number is '1'1 callsign is BBC1 then in the 'next' tab to the next page 'frequency or channel' is set to 101?

[21:17:13]

Juski:

mythtv must support utf chars.. I mean I used to see silly characters in the uk_rt EPG ;)

[21:17:16]

jduggan:

'1'1 == 101

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Juski:

jduggan: hmm sounds ok

[21:17:44]

null__:

Juski: is the grabber inserting utf8?

[21:17:44]

jduggan:

Juski: whats teh difference between channel name and channel callsign?

[21:17:46]

BULLE:

Juski: myth uses qt, and qt is utf fully i18n so yes

[21:18:56]

Juski:

null__: I dunno but I _used_ to see silly chars in the guide. not anymore, since around 0.18 though

[21:19:02]

null__:

ok

[21:19:18]

Juski:

jduggan: I don't know..

[21:19:37]

Juski:

never understood that to be honest

[21:19:52]

Juski:

always just made it the same as the channel name

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jduggan:

Juski: frequency or channel: in channel editor, this is the string that is passed to the external channel changer right?

[21:20:27]

Juski:

freqid is the one passed to the external channel changer

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jduggan:

yes, this is freqid setting tho, i mean

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Juski:

pretty sure of that

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Juski:

frequency is the one

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jduggan:

its not called freqid here.. its just 'frequency or channel:' this is the right option for freqid right?

[21:21:13]

Juski:

yeah

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jduggan:

ok then i i dunno wtf :|

[21:21:27]

Juski:

sorry it's called freqid in the channel table ;)

[21:22:42]

stuarta:

1hr from the HD test mux = 9.1Gb :)

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Juski:

something tells me our HD is gonna wee all over USA HD.. when we finally get it

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stuarta:

yeah

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stuarta:

even the stuff i've transcoded down using my medium mpeg4 profile looks awesome...

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jduggan:

select freqid from channel where callsign = 'BBC1'; freqid

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jduggan:

+--------+

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jduggan:

| 101 |

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jduggan:

+--------+

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Juski:

better q. source material & all that jazz ;)

[21:25:24]

jduggan:

so how is it not knowing 101 channel?

[21:25:27]

jduggan:

its in teh db

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stuarta:

that profile makes 8.4Gb h264 based HD -> 4G mpeg4

[21:26:03]

Juski:

how much cpu does playing mpeg4 hd take then?

[21:26:31]

Juski:

jduggan: I'm pretty much lost now. it all _sounds_ ok

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stuarta:

let you know next time I try it :)

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BULLE:

Juski: where do you live ?

[21:26:56]

Juski:

manchester, UK

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BULLE:

Juski: you dont have any hd broadcasts yet ? not even via satteliet ?

[21:27:31]

Juski:

maybe on satellite but I've not got any hope of playing it, not even on my most powerful machine

[21:27:54]

Juski:

athlon 2800xp indeed.. pah!

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stuarta:

on satellite it's broadcast on dvb-s2 and encrypted

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Juski:

encrippled?! noooooooo!

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stuarta:

luckily i'm within range of the dvb-t HD test mux.

[21:28:27]

stuarta:

Juski: the bbc HD test may not be on satellite

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stuarta:

but it's still dvb-s2

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ivor:

I must get around to setting up my crystal palace aerial....

[21:30:12]

BULLE:

here they have dvb-t hd test broadcasts

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stuarta:

transcode will take a while at 3.2fps

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stuarta:

BULLE: where's that?

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jduggan:

http://pastebin.ca/234877 <--- Juski this is the error i get when starting livetv (its set to tune to 101 on start, but i get the same error when tryin to set any channel number'

[21:31:29]

BULLE:

stuarta: sweden

[21:31:43]

BULLE:

stuarta: around stockholm and uppsala

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stuarta:

cool

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BULLE:

stuarta: nothing is official so you can not know when and what they test broadcast

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Juski:

jduggan: looks like it's not set up right yet...

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stuarta:

that's the same as my test muxes, though the BBC test mux does seem to have accurate EPG data

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Juski:

anyway I have some ironing to do :(

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stuarta:

nobody irons!!!

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Juski:

I should look into the satellite HD one day

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ivor:

Juski: just fold it neatly and put some heavy books on it.

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stuarta:

hang it up while wet and it dries in the correct shape.

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defend:

or my solution bring it to the dry cleaners :)

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jduggan:

Juski: ok, i set channel5 '105' to freqid 105 which it shows in mythconverg table by looking manually, but when trying to record something thats playing now... i get this error 2006-11–02 21:35:20.345 Canceled recording (Recorder Failed): UEFA Cup Football: Palermo v Newcastle: channel 1025 on cardid 1 , sourceid 1

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jduggan:

channel 1025?

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jduggan:

where is it reading that from

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jduggan:

thats not in my 'channel editor' info anywhere

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stuarta:

that's the chanid

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jduggan:

ok

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stuarta:

1025 = 1st card, chan 025

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jduggan:

ok

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stuarta:

more strictly 1st datasource.

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jduggan:

well mythtv says it cant find channel 105... but in mythconverg.channel table freqid of channel5 is _105_

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jduggan:

so how can it not find channel 105?

[21:39:21]

jduggan:

ok i did a test on a channel which didnt have a configured freqid

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jduggan:

when trying to record it said error trying to find channel ''

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jduggan:

TVRec(1): HW Tuner: 1->1

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jduggan:

is it actually a hw tuner?

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jduggan:

maybe its trying to tune to a channel

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jduggan:

when its all coming in on one channel through a satelite dish

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jduggan:

2006-11–02 21:42:26.572 Channel(/dev/video0)::TuneTo(101): Error, failed to find channel

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jduggan:

hrm

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jduggan:

wonder actually

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jduggan:

ok

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jduggan:

wow

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jduggan:

it all works

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stuarta:

you got the channel change to work?

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jduggan:

yep

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jduggan:

only problem i got

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jduggan:

is that it takes a while before the STB changes (because livetv is behind)

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stuarta:

it's not a problem for your recording, which is the main thing :)

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jduggan:

stuarta: in the program guide when watching TV... i get the EPG with my current channel in a small window top right of my TV

[21:52:14]

jduggan:

now.. when scrolling through the channels

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jduggan:

how can i select to view that channel

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jduggan:

only options i see are to record?

[21:52:30]

jduggan:

not liveview?

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stuarta:

hit return?

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jduggan:

it gives me options to record

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jduggan:

'do not record' > record only this viewing etc

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jduggan:

now 'view as live tv?

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jduggan:

s/now/not/

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jduggan:

maybe it should have this feature?

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roger55:

jduggan, and if you hit esc ?

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stuarta:

hmmm, when i'm watching tv and go into the guide, if i select a channel it changes to it...

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** stuarta is beginning to think this new robin hood is rubbish **

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jduggan:

stuarta: select being with 'enter' on your keyboard?

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stuarta:

jduggan: yup

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jduggan:

stuarta: when i hit enter it takes me to a screen, i can still hear livetv audio but see nothing of it... it gives me the channel info/description and some menu's starting with Do not record this program

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jduggan:

to record it basically

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jduggan:

not to view it?

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stuarta:

weird...

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roger55:

jduggan, what if you hit space or escape in the programguide?

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roger55:

stuarta, when he selects watch tv he gets the program guide instead of some channel in fullscreen I think / which is some setting one can select.

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jduggan:

eh?

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jduggan:

by program guide i mean im in livetv and hit 'm'

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jduggan:

scroll to program guide

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jduggan:

and get the guide with the livetv still showing in the top corner

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roger55:

alright we mean different things then. nevermind.

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jduggan:

escape goes back a screen

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jduggan:

space is the same as enter

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jduggan:

roger55: but likewise

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jduggan:

in manage recordings->schedule recordings->program guide if i see a channel, and want to watch something live.. what key do i press? enter just gives me recording options

[22:01:47]

jduggan:

nothing to 'watch now'?

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jduggan:

this is a pain, because basically, the only way i can change the channel to something i want to watch at the moment is to know what the channel number is

[22:02:21]

jduggan:

and since there's a few hundred of them.. uh not gonna happen :P

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stuarta:

ahh, now i see the problem.

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jduggan:

aah

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jduggan:

i see an option i think might fix it

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paladine:

man I like lvm :)

[22:03:35]

jduggan:

'use select to change the channel in the program guide'

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stuarta:

you should go 'watch tv' -> 's' -> select chan -> 'enter/space'

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Paladine:

untarring an archive with 3.1million files in it, my hd's love me ;)

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CBiLL:

do you install ivtv for wintv card?

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jduggan:

stuarta: ah, this is what i was after :)

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jduggan:

its a bit rubbish having to configure ur remote, because i want certain keys to act differently in different menus

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jduggan:

like my 'guide' button, i would like to configure as 's' in livetv but in main menu to take me straight to schedule a recording in the guide'

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jduggan:

btw my ~/.mythtv/lircrc what needs restarting for this to take effect?

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jduggan:

because a frontend restart doesnt help with my new key map

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Juski:

CBiLL: ivtv is for hauppauge pvr cards, not generic 'wintv' shite ;)

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carstenc:

Hi all

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CBiLL:

heh

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** stuarta rejoices catching up with -dev **

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Juski:

whoops was I disparaging about framegrabbers again? naughty me

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siXy:

lol juski

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stuarta:

oh wow, now it's transcoding at 3.1fps :(

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carstenc:

I have some basic questions

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carstenc:

If I use nvidia TV-out and use AV to Plasma, then I am analog right?

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carstenc:

currently I am using VGA to VGA on the Plasma and fast moves like in football games are slow and not nice to watch

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Juski:

you need to deinterlace, that's what it sounds like

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carstenc:

deinterlace in mythv?

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Juski:

if you were to use tv out it'd look worse

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Juski:

yes

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Juski:

utils/setup > setup > tv > playback

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Juski:

and now a newsflash... progressive displays aren't very good for displaying TV

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Juski:

YMMV

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CBiLL:

should hte win go tv card be listed in modprobe.conf ?

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carstenc:

Juski: the normal TV is ok but Soccer is not :(

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carstenc:

This machine is for a friend of mine

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carstenc:

here at home I use vdr with TV-Out on the DVB-S card to AV and soccer is pretty ok to watch

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Juski:

carstenc: interlacing artifacts will be more noticable on sports & fast moving images

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Juski:

and vdr is ok because with the dvb-s card's output you're getting interlaced video displayed on an interlaced display device

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carstenc:

so cant I get that on tv-out of a graphics card?

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Juski:

just set mythtv to deinterlace & try the different methods & see which looks best

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Juski:

it's not rocket science

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carstenc:

ok

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carstenc:

is it a difference to use the VGA compared to AV/Scart ?

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Juski:

composite < svideo < VGA < DVI

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czth__:

component?

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czth__:

HDMI?

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Juski:

composite < svideo < RGB/component< VGA < DVI/HDMI

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czth__:

yay

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czth__:

although i must say i really can't tell the diff btw svideo and component

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Juski:

then you need a better TV

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czth__:

not looking at them sxs though

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czth__:

not HD, either

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czth__:

i have a trinitron (32"?), about 5 y.o. now

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siXy:

Juski: it is technically possible to display hd over s-video, tho it is rarely done

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Juski:

RGB blasts svideo out of the water, and svideo blasts composite out of the water

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czth__:

side by side i probably could tell

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siXy:

although admittedly rgb has mcuh better colour tone

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carstenc:

thanx Juski

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** Juski hopes all flat panel displays will get better at deinterlacing one day **

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czth__:

sorry i'm not enough of a TV snob :>

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carstenc:

and bye for now

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Juski:

I find RGB to be good enough, but then i don't have (or want) HD yet

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siXy:

i find digital (dvi/hdmi) makes a big improvement on plasma/lcd displays. much sharper

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Juski:

in the USA you had a rough deal with NTSC, so HD is a massive improvement for you lot

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GreyFoxx:

siXy: Without custom electronics on each end or completely rewiring the cable, how would you display DH on s-video ?:)

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GreyFoxx:

err HD

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Juski:

if I'm not mistaken, one of our demo videos at the expo had folks thinking it was HD when it was merely Freeview

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siXy:

greyfox: i have got 520p over svideo before

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Juski:

anyway....

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siXy:

nvidia card --> plasma tv

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GreyFoxx:

I'd very skeptical that it's not just the GPU on the card changing it before transmission

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siXy:

yeah good quality pal is fine for anything 32" and smaller imo

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GreyFoxx:

But that being said, ntsc is 525 lines, just 45 ofthem are used for non picture info

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** GreyFoxx orders some pizza **

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stuarta:

mmmm

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siXy:

it might have been the gpu downscaling before transmission... but i dont think so

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GreyFoxx:

siXy: I'd say I'm pretty positiveit was :)

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GreyFoxx:

jusgt like people who set their Xto 1024x768...;. It's still scaled to NTSC resolutions when output :)

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siXy:

ah maybe it was then.

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CBiLL:

do you have to add lines in mobprobe.conf for Win Go Tv?

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charlieS:

uh, so if I delete channels in the web interface, they return a day later.

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charlieS:

all 3000 of them :(

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stuarta:

just hide them

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charlieS:

via mythfrontend?

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stuarta:

or mythweb

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stuarta:

then they won't reappear, since they still exist

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** charlieS didn't see a 'hide' option, but okay, that makes sense :) **

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stuarta:

and cause you've hidden them you won't ever have to see them.....

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stuarta:

erm, believe it's the 'visible' flag

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charlieS:

(the problem is that the guide takes forever to load)

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** stuarta puts a rocket up the transcode in progress... **

[23:06:37]

** charlieS un-clicks 1500 channels **

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charlieS:

fucking sports. ugh.

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stuarta:

i like sports. however shopping channels suck badly

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charlieS:

500+ channels of reserved channels for NFL/NHL/etc is supremely annoying, though.

[23:09:10]

stuarta:

not being broadcast?

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charlieS:

right. they just exist.

[23:09:42]

charlieS:

and now 100 spanish.. hehe

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stuarta:

how crap.

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charlieS:

mysql> update channel set visible=0 where channum>595;

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charlieS:

Query OK, 294 rows affected (0.00 sec)

[23:15:38]

charlieS:

Rows matched: 294 Changed: 294 Warnings: 0

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charlieS:

that's easier :)

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charlieS:

bam! instant guide listings now. whee :)

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stuarta:

much better :)

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** charlieS unchecked like 200 in the middle by hand though. **

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stuarta:

hehe...

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Syphn:

hey anyone here have an xbox frontend?

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CBiLL:

do FC5 already have bttv tv card support?

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stuarta:

should do

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CBiLL:

my card is not in the modprobe

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CBiLL:

I see the card listed in lpci -v thou

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stuarta:

what card is it?

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maxflax:

I have compiled LIRC.. installed it.. and modprobed lirc_dev and lirc_imon .. how do I use the VFD display..

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maxflax:

and do I need both Lirc and LCDproc.. im not sure what LCDproc is for if I install Lirc?

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CBiLL:

win go tv card

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stuarta:

maxflax: LCDproc is for displaying stuff on the LCD on the front of your case.

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trend:

do I have to run mythtv setup as root?

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trend:

becasue I am having problems with mysql.. there is no DB setup yet

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trend:

nor a mythtv user setup to access the db.. will mythtv setup set this up for me if I run it as root?

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stuarta:

trend: suggest reading the part in the myth documentation about setting up mysql

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trend:

lol

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trend:

a simple yes/no would of been easier for you to type

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trend:

and easier for me to read ;)

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trend:

but thanks for putting yoruself out

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stuarta:

it's not a yes/no answer

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trend:

no running mythtv-setup as root will not setup the users = no

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trend:

:)

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trend:

(i know because I just did it 5 secs ago)

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stuarta:

no you do not have to run mythtv-setup as root but you have to setup mysql properly

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stuarta:

:)

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trend:

honestly i googled for mythtv setup first way before i asked

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trend:

stupid ISP is flaking out

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stuarta:

www.mythtv.org -> documentation???

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trend:

ISP isn't routing right or something.. i wasn't able to get there

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Syphn:

hey anyone here have an xbox frontend?

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trend:

because I did have that site loaded

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stuarta:

get a new isp.

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stuarta:

Syphn: we heard you the first time. yes people have them, those who do appear to be asleep

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Syphn:

stuarta: sorry found a sweet deal on an xbox ...

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Syphn:

wanted to confirm or deny that contorllers could be used to play mythtvgame emulators

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stuarta:

it can be done. research xbmc

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stuarta:

erm, they work as a frontend and that's about it.

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stuarta:

anything else you'll have to try for yourself

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Syphn:

ya i didn't want to use xbmc ...

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czth__:

xbox 360 wired USB controllers work with xmame and ZSNES, so far as i've tried

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czth__:

wireless, probably not

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maxflax:

stuarta, doesn't LIRC do that to.. or do I need both.. or is LDCproc only a shell to the driver in LIRC.. im very confused

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stuarta:

maxflax: LCDproc does lcd displays. lird does remote controls

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Syphn:

czth: 360 controllers work on the xbox?

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maxflax:

stuarta, but in LIRC there is drivers for Display and Knob.. is there drivers for the displays in LCDproc?

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czth__:

um, 360 controllers work on my MythTV box which is a PC

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Syphn:

awe thats better ...

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CBiLL:

hrmm how does one get win go tv bttv card working in FC5 for mythtv?

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stuarta:

maxflax: AFAIK, lirc is only for remotes.

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maxflax:

stuarta, read somewhere that ppl installed both LIRC and LCDproc.. or was that before when Imon was new and there didn't exists drivers in the LCDproc

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stuarta:

a fully kitted out htpc would, but they are both optional and independant

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maxflax:

stuarta, so if I only want the display I dont need to install anything else.. drivers or something. just the lcdproc?

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stuarta:

yup

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stuarta:

and lirc if you want a remote control

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stuarta:

and/or

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stuarta:

lcdproc is only useful if you have the hardware...

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CBiLL:

anyone here have installed WinTV card in Fedora Core 5 before?

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