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Wednesday, November 1st, 2006, 00:03 UTC

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netw1z:

anyone here compile o2em (odessey 2 emulator) successfully on a debian box>

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czth:

msomers: what cable frequency set are you using – us-cable?

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msomers:

yup

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czth:

i have 2 PVR-150MCEs, no trouble

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czth:

when you did scan channels what did you get?

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msomers:

lemme give it a shot

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msomers:

should i stop mythbackend and load up mythtv-setup?

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czth:

yeah i think the scan utility is there

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msomers:

oh my gosh

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msomers:

it was under us-bcast

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msomers:

i can't believe i missed that

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msomers:

well, that didn't work

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msomers:

lemme try a scan

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msomers:

could it be us-cable-hrc or us-cable-irc?

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czth:

try just us-cable

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msomers:

weird, i got channels: 5,6, T7, T8, etc through T14

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czth:

with us-cable or with bcast?

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msomers:

us-cable

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czth:

tjt

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msomers:

huh?

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czth:

*er. that's more than you had before?

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msomers:

yup

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msomers:

before when i scanned i only got 5 and 6

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czth:

so it's good, or just better?

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msomers:

well, i'm missing about 70 other channels :-P

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msomers:

and i don't know what the heck T7 etc is

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czth:

hrm. what does zap2it.com say your lineup should be?

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msomers:

a lot of channels :-P

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czth:

anyway, w00h00 for my psychic debugging, now to fix it :)

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czth:

i guess you could try the other us-cable guys

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msomers:

i'll give it a shot

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kormoc:

msomers, erm, you don't need to scan when using zap2it

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msomers:

well, i'm scanning to see if I can't pick up the channels

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msomers:

it seems like using us-cable-hrc got me one more channel (41)

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kormoc:

msomers, well, you should fix the error that you got above

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kormoc:

and then it should jsut work fine

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msomers:

what error?

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kormoc:

<msomers> I should note that checking dmesg between the Start/End ivtv lines only reads one error: "bcm43xx: error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not avaliable or load failed."

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kormoc:

tho, you said you think that's related to your wireless?

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msomers:

i think so, the bcm43xx is a wireless driver

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msomers:

i didn't bother configuring my wireless because it's a bitch

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msomers:

i just wired my pc into the network

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kormoc:

usually if it's inbetween the IVTV blocks, it's a ivtv error, which would be important

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kormoc:

huh

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msomers:

what's confusing?

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kormoc:

that it was in the ivtv block and it's not ivtv related

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kormoc:

it's just stanage, tis all

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czth:

msomers: at least google it to be sure that's a wireless driver only and not also card-related

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msomers:

i did, it's a wireless card

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msomers:

i don't know why it's coming up under ivtv

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msomers:

i'll give it another shot

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czth:

hm, so why does ivtv care? or just parallel output?

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kormoc:

I didn't think the kernel handled that stuff parallel

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czth:

hrm, maybe not

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czth:

but maybe if it got an event

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kormoc:

yeah, perhaps

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czth:

google shows such errors in non-ivtv context

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msomers:

yeah, i'm pretty sure it has to do with the wireless card

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msomers:

yeah

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msomers:

actually throwing ivtv at the end of the search brings up nothing

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msomers:

so i don't think that's the issue

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msomers:

i'm just so stumped on this

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czth:

your channels aren't encrypted are they?

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czth:

try googling for that particular lineup, e.g. "Foo County East (Fooville)"

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czth:

w/ mythtv

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msomers:

wait, what?

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czth:

what what?

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msomers:

what should i google for?

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czth:

whatever your lineup is

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czth:

to see if someone else has had trouble scanning channels for it

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czth:

it'll be a name like "Foo County East (Fooville)" from zap2it

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msomers:

this is so weird, because channels 5 and 6 are exactly the ones they're supposed to be, but they are in black and white and look like crap

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msomers:

man...i'm just completely stumped

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czth:

hm. are you splitting the cable or did you remove it from the TV and connect it to the card?

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czth:

any chance of a poor connection?

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msomers:

remove it from the tv and connect it to the card

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czth:

if you mess with ivtvctl and set channels/etc. and then cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg for a while and then view the file, does it have content?

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czth:

try chans 5 and 6 to start since you know they work

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msomers:

well, chans 5 and 6 i know have content because even mythtv picks them up

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msomers:

oh well, i give up for now, i have other things that need to be taken care of

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czth:

but you want to start with a known baseline so you know the ivtvctl/cat method works

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msomers:

i'll be back later i guess

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spiderworm:

after the time change here, i finally got around to fixing the computer's clock, but now the times of all shows are off by one hour and mythfilldatabase doesnt correct it... any ideas how to fix this?

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specofdust:

'ello

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maxflax:

Anyone tried installing the LIRC drivers.. having trouble compiling the 0.8 version.. Im doing this on a 2.6.18.1 kernel

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siXy:

maxflax: what distro?

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deebus:

is mythweb necessary?

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siXy:

no

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deebus:

can I use mythtv w/o mythweb?

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maxflax:

siXy, ubuntu

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deebus:

anyone have any experience setting up mythtv on ubuntu?

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maxflax:

siXy, It is a self compiled kernel thou,, ubuntu uses 2.6.17.10

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siXy:

maxflax: can you post the error you get?

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maxflax:

siXy, ok.

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specofdust:

Does anyone know if the Nova-T 500 works ok with myth/ubuntu 6.10? I searched the mailing list but could only find info on the single tuner varient.

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maxflax:

siXy, http://pastebin.ca/231792

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mortal5:

does anyone have a pvr working with ubuntu 6.10 yet?

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xris:

deebus: you don't need it. it's nice to have, though.

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xris:

(but don't listen to me; I wrote it)

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deebus:

heh

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deebus:

I'm just concerned about my webserver and mythweb causing me troubles

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xris:

doesn't really interact with anything other than mythtv

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deebus:

hm. maybe I can do this

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deebus:

any experience with the pvr-500mce?

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xris:

not specifically. had a pvr-150 for awhile, though

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deebus:

it's given me fits before

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deebus:

actually bought beyondtv because of it

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deebus:

worked fine until windows went apeshit on me and looked at my 200gb ntfs drive and said "hm. that looks like a 131gb fat drive". wtf?

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xris:

some are more problematic than others (they keep changing the chipset maker)

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specofdust:

no DVB-T users about?

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deebus:

thx for the input guys. I'm sure I'll be back

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mortal5:

does anyone have a pvr working with ubuntu 6.10 yet?

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siXy:

maxflax: try running 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel source

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maxflax:

siXy, already done that..

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charlieS:

mortal5: yep

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siXy:

maxflax: well from your pastebin, "include/linux/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing"

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maxflax:

siXy, seems like has someting to do with devfs_fs_kernel.h... I don't have that one in my 2.6.18.1 kernel source.. it exists in the 2.6.17.10 thou.

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siXy:

you dont have devfs?

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mortal5:

charlieS, I'm guessing you had to jump through some major hoops?

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maxflax:

siXy, what is devfs?

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charlieS:

mortal5: for myth? No.. just installed and configured as normal. What isn't working?

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mortal5:

charlieS, what instructions did you follow to get that ivtv driver working?

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charlieS:

heh "as normal" .. well, according to the docs. This was my first time using myth.

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charlieS:

ah, ivtv. Are you using m-a (module assistant)?

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siXy:

actually you shouldnt have devfs thinking about it.

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mortal5:

I'm using these instructions: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu

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siXy:

assuming you are using udev ofc

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mortal5:

they are assuming ivtv .4 when you need like .7 for the .17 kernel 6.10 uses

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charlieS:

nah.. that's not the easy way. hang on.

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maxflax:

siXy, ok.. im fairly new to linux.. what is devfs and udev and what do I need it for.. and why does the Lirc need it?

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siXy:

maxflax: are you sure you have a working autoconf.h in the right place?

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maxflax:

siXy, I have a autoconf.h in that folder yes

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siXy:

udev and devfs are device managers for unix. well kind of :)

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siXy:

maxflax: shy not just use a stock kernel?

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siXy:

*why?

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charlieS:

hrm, can't find it now.

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mortal5:

charlieS, any clue to what i can search for?

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mortal5:

remember anything from the page?

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charlieS:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Install_IVTV_Edgy?highlight=%28ivtv%29

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charlieS:

from Ubuntu themselves :)

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maxflax:

siXy, to much crap in stock kernel.

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maxflax:

siXy, I think that devfs has been removed from the 2.6.18.1 kernel and replaced with the udev.. maybe I shall do some coding then..

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CBiLLL:

I am downloading FC5 Dvd .. 1 more hour to go hehe

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CBiLLL:

ISO

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charlieS:

siXy: for Linux, not Unix :)

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charlieS:

mortal5: 'apt-cache search ivtv' is how I discovered that "there was an easier way"

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siXy:

charlieS: latest version of aix uses devfs iirc

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charlieS:

well IBM is obsessed with Linux, that's not surprising :)

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siXy:

maxflax: just use a stock kernel. you will not notice any performance decrease and it will actually work. but yes you are right you should be using udev not defs

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siXy:

aix is unix

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siXy:

not linux.

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charlieS:

_a_ Unix

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siXy:

but my point stands.

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charlieS:

okay :)

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siXy:

:)

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mortal5:

rofl

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mortal5:

I just discovered my music collection is worth $1700 if i avg a buck a song

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** charlieS just sync's 3975 songs to his iPod **

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charlieS:

s/'s/'d/

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charlieS:

though, that's not fair.. I actually copied like 15G of that from a friend.

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Sebulba02:

2671

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charlieS:

my own was < 1500

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** mortal5 admits defeat **

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charlieS:

lol

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charlieS:

ugh, alsa hates me.

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charlieS:

and the multi plugin sucks.

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mortal5:

slocate -i .mp3 | grep home | wc -l <-- thats how i counted

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mortal5:

i love the command line

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Sebulba02:

find /mnt/music -type f -name "*.mp3" | wc -l

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mortal5:

I'm still ignorant to the ways of find

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charlieS:

I could, in theory, search through about 50K users' homedirs and reap tons of mp3 :)

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Sebulba02:

find rocks

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mortal5:

charlieS, sysadmin are we?

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mortal5:

lol

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charlieS:

yea, at times :)

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** charlieS just found 7006 in a dir **

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mortal5:

wget *.mp3

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mortal5:

lol

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Sebulba02:

if they're on the same box, just cp them all

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mortal5:

well, but that's the 'obvious' way

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maxflax:

siXy, found a snapshot of the LIRC driver that had a fix for the 2.6.18.1 kernel.. lirc-0.8.1pre2.tar.bz2 .. so If anyone else asks the same question u know the fix.. :)

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charlieS:

it's all on a few disk arrays, mounted over NFS.

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Sebulba02:

rm -f *.mp3........... OOPS!

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siXy:

maxflax: i am aware of that fix, but you said you were using 2.6.17.something

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maxflax:

siXy, no.. Im using 2.6.18.1 .. my old was 2.6.17.10 and thats the stock one that came with ubuntu. with the 2.6.17 the 0.8 lirc would have compiled.. cause devfs is still included in that kernel

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siXy:

meh sorry. misread what you said.

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siXy:

it is actually possible to compile 2.6.18 with devfs, but its not a great idea. better to use lirc 0.8.1 pre

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GTswagger:

Well, I was going to ask why MythTV was crashing all the time, with errors that people on Google get when they try to make 4GB or larger files on a FAT32 partitions,

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GTswagger:

but I have discovered the error:

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GTswagger:

A power outage hosed my ReiserFS partition

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GTswagger:

Do you have any idea how long it takes to rebuild a 250 GB ReiserFS partition? :(

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siXy:

whoops reiserfs :/

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GTswagger:

Only the second time I've ever seen a ReiserFS partition get screwy

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siXy:

xfs is a lot better at not getting screwy even if poweroutage/dataloss occurs

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charlieS:

hell, UFS (with logging) handles that :)

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** charlieS not trying to flame FS's again! **

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** charlieS backs away slowly **

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mortal5:

siXy, uh I use xfs myself, but I'll admit ext3 is better at preserving file integrity

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mortal5:

however, xfs does handle it sufficently for my needs

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mortal5:

(not to mention it's faster in many areas)

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mortal5:

charlieS, thx for that info bud

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mortal5:

you're right that was super easy

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charlieS:

np

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CBiLLL:

any1 here use openoffice?

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Zider:

yes

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Sebulba02:

nah, we all use vim

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Zider:

hardly

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CBiLLL:

any idea if it can open MS outlook emails?

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Zider:

have no idea

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** kormoc blinks **

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charlieS:

wtf

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CBiLLL:

dang

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kormoc:

openoffice is a office clone, not a email client

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CBiLLL:

outlook is not an email client either

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kormoc:

openexchange or similar are aimed at replacing outlook

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CBiLLL:

but it have that fuction

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charlieS:

CBiLLL: add another IMAP account to outlook, drag/drop all e-mail there, uninstall Outlook.

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charlieS:

;-)

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CBiLLL:

so I want to save all my email from outlook (not the express) and tranfer it to any linux application or a viewer capiable of reading it

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Zider:

or just don't start using outlook ;P

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kormoc:

CBiLLL, but given that you asked about email, and openoffice doesn't support *any* email...

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CBiLLL:

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Zider:

umm

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Zider:

your text broke

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CBiLLL:

I know

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CBiLLL:

lame isn't it?

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Zider:

yes.

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CBiLLL:

I been trying to find that stupid thing in the script

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CBiLLL:

to edit it out

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Zider:

don't run any scripts then

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Zider:

:P

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kormoc:

are you connecting to an exchange server?

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CBiLLL:

nope

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CBiLLL:

using it as a pop3 server

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kormoc:

ooh, ickyness

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kormoc:

well, if you google outlook migrate thunderbird, there's some instructions out there

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CBiLLL:

in outlook each email can be turn into a file

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CBiLLL:

the thing is I need to be able to take the email off the computer into a laptop becuase I am reformatting it and dumping XP the installing FC

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CBiLLL:

and my laptop do not have outlook

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CBiLLL:

heh

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CBiLLL:

it got thunderbird

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CBiLLL:

can thunderbird sync from one computer to another thunderbird on another computer?

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charlieS:

that's what IMAP is for...

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CBiLLL:

but for that I need to install IMAP server

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GreyFoxx:

That's the whole point of Imap :)

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CBiLLL:

blech

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CBiLLL:

heh

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charlieS:

'apt-get install dovecot' done!

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CBiLLL:

I am still on XP =P

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GreyFoxx:

I imagine you can save thunderbirds storage filesand just put into another machine

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charlieS:

clearly.

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GreyFoxx:

I've never actually lookedat how it stores it

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charlieS:

GreyFoxx: he's just talking about sync'ing email, not settings.

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GreyFoxx:

charlieS: I'm talking about mail

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GreyFoxx:

If imap isn't an option, then you could grab whatever file thunderbird is storing the mail in

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CBiLLL:

but first I got to remove the email from outlook and put it in thunderbird

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charlieS:

uhm, the solution is with POP and check "leave on server" or IMAP

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GreyFoxx:

But I've never actually looked at it

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CBiLLL:

then take thunderbird and move it to a laptop

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CBiLLL:

I am installing thunderbird now on XP gonna see if I can get it to tranfer it from outlook

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sanmarcos:

whatsa VBI?

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opello:

sanmarcos: vertical blanking interval

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sanmarcos:

sucks mplayer deosnt support it

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trend:

aka not HD quality.. i just want to stream the mpg or whatever

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trend:

I am thinkingabout having my mythtv box be headless... so I will setup recording patterns via VNC. .adn then just grab the videos later over a share.. anyone know if I can view the files over a wifi connection @normal tv quality?

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trend:

or will a 11mbit network be to slow?

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siXy:

11 mbit wireless is a bit slow

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Captain_Murdoch:

depends on your recording bitrate. you might be able to get away with it with a lower bitrate, but not with something like 5Mbit probably.

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siXy:

and vnc isnt great for scheduling recordings although it will work, but myth can server a webpage to allow you set recording remotely

[05:30:51]

Captain_Murdoch:

I've run LiveTV from my backend at home uploading over my 2Mbit cablemodem to my laptop at the office, but that was like 320x240 @ 1.3Mbit or so. :)

[05:31:12]

trend:

heh

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trend:

ok.. sounds great on the webpage! is that defautly setup?

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siXy:

wireless is an exessively bursty traffic too, so i would say that g is a minimum

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trend:

ok

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trend:

our wireless is G so we should be covered there

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, to be safe. my main frontend is on a wireless g router.

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charlieS:

I really can't believe people put up with running programs and specifying alsa devices each time.

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trend:

man.. this is a great channel... so arse holes saying rtfm.. (granted I am reading it still right now)

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Captain_Murdoch:

if you're g, why do you ask about 11mbit is your home net only 10Mbit instead of 100Mbit?

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trend:

heh.. sorry.. the reason i asked abotu 11mbit was before i thought though the laptop I will be using

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trend:

and how I will make my wireless network only G.. before i was thikning about supporting both G and B.. and therefore if a B device got on.. it would knock everyone down

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siXy:

unless you have a really cheap ap one b device on a g+b network shouldnt affect the other clients much

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charlieS:

most of the time APs have one radio.. so yea, it downgrades to support a .11b client.

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siXy:

none of mine do that... but i guess consumer level equipment might be different

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charlieS:

yes indeed

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trend:

what you have?

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siXy:

dont really use wireless much outside of work

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siXy:

just one g ap for my wifes tablet pc and thats all

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charlieS:

how does every one deal with sound? (to a stereo)

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charlieS:

maybe my whole design is flawed.

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** charlieS starts at square 1 **

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** charlieS blames alsa **

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siXy:

umm deal with sound? normally i just plug the sound cable into the back of my amp. but i sense im missing part of the question here:)

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charlieS:

siXy: well. I want sound through the TV most of the time, and into my amp sometimes. But I don't want to edit asound.conf to switch each time :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

how you deal with it depends on what your source is and what your output device is. you could want to output over SPDIF, you could need to output off a pvr-350 card if it's doing the decoding, you could go off a soundcard's audio output, etc..

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charlieS:

my question was vague :)

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** charlieS still can't get the default alsa device to output both at once :( **

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charlieS:

and the alsa-user mailing list is useless.

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** Captain_Murdoch doesn't use alsa so he's not much help. time for him to go for the night anyway... enough coding... **

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charlieS:

has anyone ever used envy24control? I'm thinking that if I get an ice1712 card all my problems will go away.

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siXy:

charlieS: why dont you just use dmix to route one output to the tv and another to the amp, then just turn sound on/off on the tv/amp as required

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charlieS:

siXy: because you can only define one slave at a time. dmix doesn't support that..

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siXy:

charlieS: dont do it!!! seriously, the ice1712 cards are not very alsa-freindly

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trend:

crap.. so I will have to load a plugin to be able to export the files to a viewable file format (so I can fileshare the dir and watch files on my mac)

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charlieS:

what? I thought the 1712 cards were best :)

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charlieS:

siXy: my asound.conf is here: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php? . . . orum_id=1751

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siXy:

eh? route left to two ports and route right to two ports. simple.

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charlieS:

ah, route plugin.

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** charlieS warms up some pizza real quick, and will think about that. **

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siXy:

quality-wise they are very good, but they are a bit old now and have very limited buffers which causes problems with alsa

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siXy:

ice1724 is newer and better

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trend:

how can I watch what my mythtv box recorded on my OS X machine? I was thinking about watching the file it recorded over a share (I only care to watch recorded stuff.. not live events)

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trend:

is there a frontend for the mac?

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siXy:

yes

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trend:

oh

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trend:

very cool.. so I can have the front end on my laptop that talks to my mythtv backed over Wifi 802.11g

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trend:

laptop = MAC os 10

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trend:

sounds like what it is saying :)

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siXy:

yup. dont know what version of macos is needed as i dont have anything to do with macs, but if you read the wiki that should get you going.

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trend:

yeah, reading it right now.

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trend:

thanks!

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trend:

this is great

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siXy:

no probs

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siXy:

charlieS: for when you come back, that staement about the ice1712 cards is perhaps a little misleading. they work fine in alsa, and the envy24ctl mixer is great. dmix requires some hoop jumping, however, and it cant do as much as some of the newer cards.

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charlieS:

trend: fink might have it.

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siXy:

:)

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BLuni:

I have a Hauppage PVR-150 with ivtv 0.8.0 and latest ~amd64 mythtv on gentoo. I recorded a showing of Sports Center, but i noted that the scrolling text at the bottom in the ticker is VERY blurry (when paused), almost like there is some bad algorithm messing with the mpeg. Where do i fix this if it's fixable?

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siXy:

i dont think you are going to be able to get one card to output spdif and analog audio simultaneously

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trend:

what do you'll encode at bitrate wise?

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trend:

non-HD content that is

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charlieS:

siXy: really? why's that?

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siXy:

trend: normal settings should be fine.

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BLuni:

trend: was that directed at me?

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trend:

anyone really ;)

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siXy:

charlieS: it depends on the card you have.

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charlieS:

AV-710, it's an icensemble envy24H-T.

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siXy:

but may cards, for example audigy cards, cannot do both simultaneously. and even if they could, a single slave with using route isnt going to do the job.

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charlieS:

I C

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CBiLLL:

Cent OS have yum correct?

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trend:

yea

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trend:

CBiLLL yeah

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CBiLLL:

is there a repoity with mythtv in yum?

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charlieS:

well then I'm OK with trying my Intel on-board for my tv RCA connection, I spose.

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trend:

CBiLLL sec

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kormoc:

CBiLLL, google?

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trend:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.2

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trend:

CBiLLL that is for you

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CBiLLL:

getting ready to reformat XP so I am either thinking of installing Cent OS or Fedora Core

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** charlieS checks to see if AC3 passthrough is working (forgot about that) **

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trend:

I am about to do the saem.. well format my centos machine to install FC5

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siXy:

CBiLLL: use fedora not centos.

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trend:

formatting because of problems

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CBiLLL:

ok FC it is

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trend:

not because of mythtv support

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charlieS:

yea.. CentOS has a 6-month release cycle. Fedore is better..

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trend:

CBiLLL you have aim?

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CBiLLL:

burning a FC dvd now

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trend:

i would like to keep you on aim until we both get this going :)

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CBiLLL:

yes I do

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CBiLLL:

welcome to add me if you want "zesuit"

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trend:

that is my nick

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CBiLLL:

no wait I am using Findmall

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siXy:

charlieS: its fairly trivial to combine two soundcards into one device using dmix. thats defiantely the easiest way to solve this one imo

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CBiLLL:

AIM is Findmall

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CBiLLL:

trend?

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charlieS:

siXy: thanks

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trend:

i don't see zesuit online right now

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trend:

are you?

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siXy:

im not even sure you would get myth to work on centos without a lot of hassle. php on centos is too old, for example.

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CBiLLL:

Findmall

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CBiLLL:

sorry

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siXy:

no probs

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CBiLLL:

I forgot zesuit is my old aim

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trend:

heh

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kormoc:

siXy, ooh? it's a 4.x version, which does (currently) work with mythweb

[06:04:55]

CBiLLL:

Findmall is online now . it's my laptop which I am using now

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siXy:

kormoc: really? i thought mythweb required php 5?

[06:05:54]

kormoc:

not yet

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siXy:

ah well you learn something new every day :)

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kormoc:

it's been talked about, but nothing has been converted as far as I know

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BLuni:

does anyone know if there is a way to adjust interlacing of recorded shows? i believe the shows are raw mpegs encoded in hardware by my Hauppage PVR-150.

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charlieS:

-hwac3 in mplayer works.. now how do I get mythfrontend (playing DVDs) to do that?

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siXy:

charlieS: just set myth sound output to ALSA:spdiff (or whatever you called your pcm)

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charlieS:

well then I'm back to wanting dual. Okay fuck it. I think I should just use my receiver for watching all TV then.

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charlieS:

whee, everything is easier now!

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siXy:

eh?

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siXy:

why cant you set ALSA:dualoutput or whatever and make dualoutput a dmix slave that combines the two soundcards?

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charlieS:

er, actually that doesn't work siXy. It's sending -> spdif, but isn't sending AC3 .. like in mplayer without -ac hwac3

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charlieS:

well yes. but I hadn't futzed with dual sound cards *yet*

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charlieS:

:)

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siXy:

ah :)

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charlieS:

uh, yea.. if I force the mplayer command to -ac hwac3, then I get no sound on non 5.1 video.

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siXy:

hmmm. i do :/

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siXy:

can your receiver handle it?

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charlieS:

of course!

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** charlieS figgered it out: "-ac hwac3," (comma!) **

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siXy:

yeah stupid question thinking about it

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siXy:

;) always the little things

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charlieS:

so for mythfrontend.. I didn't understand what you said. To play DVDs (uh, backup ISOs _not_ from netflix), how do I get ac3 passthru?

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charlieS:

(it's not running mplayer, right?)

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siXy:

in the setup under default there is sound output page. change that to ALSA:whatever

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charlieS:

b.. but. My asound.conf is already configured to default to spdif.

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siXy:

the ALSA:default

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siXy:

*then

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charlieS:

oh, there's an option on that page for passthrough. I just can't see if it's checked (overscan)

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charlieS:

FIXED

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charlieS:

(it already was "default")

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siXy:

good good :)

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charlieS:

hrm, a new mixer device now is required.

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siXy:

eh? why?

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charlieS:

er, good point. same default :)

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charlieS:

but volume isn't working now.. but, uh, that's expected with line-level output.

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** charlieS shuts up **

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siXy:

:)

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CBiLLL:

hrmmm in FC should I make /home a fixed size or grow to this size?

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kormoc:

might be better to ask in #fedora...

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CBiLLL:

dead channel

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CBiLLL:

and I am using /home for mythtv storage

[07:35:05]

CBiLLL:

so wasn't sure how lvm works

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CBiLLL:

if it grows as it needed or I have to tell it to increase size etc

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kormoc:

you need to tell it to grow

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kormoc:

and you need to pick a FS that is growable

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CBiLLL:

so I am better off just to make it fixed size then?

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kormoc:

and really, #fedora isn't a dead channel... it's quite active, as is #redhat...

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kormoc:

depends on your wants/needs

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kormoc:

really, there's no hard or fast rule for it

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CBiLLL:

I was in there earlier today and sat for several hours .. no activties

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kormoc:

there's over 250 people in there, and they've been talking quite a bit for the past while

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CBiLLL:

yeah but I wasn't sure how lvm works if mythtv start recording a show and there not enough room .. does it automallicy detect this and increase size or I have to increase it before I record the show?

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kormoc:

of course not

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CBiLLL:

oh not on freenode.net?

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kormoc:

you have to increase the LVM partition size as well as resize the FS

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kormoc:

on freenode

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kormoc:

#fedora right now has 255 people in it...

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CBiLLL:

when I went in there .. was only 47 peeps

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CBiLLL:

ok checking thanks

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kormoc:

you likely hit during a split then

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CBiLLL:

only 45 right now in it

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kormoc:

CBiLLL, I'm sitting in it and you're not

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CBiLL:

it pushed me into another room hrmm

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CBiLL:

#fedora installation something

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CBiLL:

ah there we go!

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kormoc:

perhaps because you're not a registered and identified user

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CBiLL:

yeah I id'ed up now

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CBiLL:

thanks

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siXy:

you are in fedora-join-instructions. read the instructions, then you can join :)

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kormoc:

siXy, hey now, you can't expect people on irc to actually read anything! :P

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siXy:

hehe :)

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CBiLL:

I was disconnected and my nick was still stuck so I didn't know I wasn't ident up yet!

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CBiLL:

that my excuse!

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dtm:

hmm i guess they upgraded the protocol version in svn.

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dtm:

the 0.20 tarball is still at 30

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dtm:

:-[

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CBiLL:

you guys create a seperate partation for your media file or just use the same FC partation?

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CBiLL:

just curious

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dtm:

CBiLL: i use nfs coz my backend/frontend is on a 6GB drive in a powerbook.

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kormoc:

I have a / that holds the entire os and /mnt/tv that holds my recordings

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kormoc:

/ is 3 gigs, 2.5 being used, /mnt/tv is 184 gigs

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kormoc:

but I'm also using gentoo, so your values will be quite different

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CBiLL:

yeah but one I will be using as a desktop

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kormoc:

my desktop has 320 gb to /, and 320 gb to /mnt/multimedia

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CBiLL:

only got a 300 gig drive here

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CBiLL:

so I am going with 25 gig to / and the rest to /multimedia

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CBiLL:

mythtv uses web server correct?

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kormoc:

erm

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dtm:

CBiLL: it can, if you use mythweb

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kormoc:

you can setup mythweb, which uses php and apache

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kormoc:

but it's not required

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CBiLL:

ok just wondering if I should choose web server at the FC installation menu

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CBiLL:

so Ill X all 3 selections

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dtm:

CBiLL: you can install anything at any time

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CBiLL:

I know that

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siXy:

CBiLL: dont choose webserver

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CBiLL:

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CBiLL:

ok.

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siXy:

the fedora webserver option will pull a whole bunch of stuff that you dont need

[08:05:35]

CBiLL:

hrmm xfs is not in the drop down selection in the druid

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siXy:

you have to boot the disk with linux xfs selinux=0

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CBiLL:

I will have to choose ext3 for now and change it to xfs?

[08:06:07]

kury:

anyone have a serial IR device working w/ LIRC?

[08:06:12]

siXy:

yeah you can do.

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CBiLL:

Ill do it that way

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siXy:

make sure you disable selinux tho.

[08:07:40]

siXy:

kury: lots of people do. dont ask vaugue questions like that, state your problem and if someone knows the answer they might help you.

[08:07:44]

kormoc:

you can convert ext3 to xfs?

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siXy:

convert no. format? yes.

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CBiLL:

mythtv can be recorded into ext3 partation can it?

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siXy:

as there will be no data on it there is no reason not to format it as xfs afterwards.. except then you will have to mess with your fstab

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kury:

siXy, are you one of them? if so.. what distro? how come I can't modprobe lirc_serial I get errors... and how/where do I tell it the serial port to look at?

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kormoc:

CBiLL, sure can

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siXy:

CBiLL: i can notice a distinct speed difference when deleting files.

[08:09:04]

CBiLL:

only thing that would be annoying is that it will take awhile to delete big files right?

[08:09:04]

kury:

seems to me I should define the tty# before I modprobe the driver..

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siXy:

but there is no reason why not

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kormoc:

CBiLL, it's not /that/ bad imho

[08:09:36]

kormoc:

I deal with ext3 personally

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CBiLL:

oh hell Ill just stick with default partation of 3 for now

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siXy:

ext3 has the advantage that you are less likely to loose data in a powercut

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CBiLL:

and if I want to experiment with xfs Ill reinstall it later

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CBiLL:

8-)

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kury:

siXy, modprobe lirc_serial error.. FATAL: Error inserting lirc_serial (/lib/modules/2.6.18-gentoo-r1/misc/lirc_serial.ko): Device or resource busy

[08:10:22]

kormoc:

and a little easier to repair incase of a issue

[08:10:41]

kormoc:

kury, and dmesg says?

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dtm:

siXy: no, you're not; ext3 is nothing more than an fsck accelerator, and can't be trusted any more than ext2. the only way to lessen the likelihood of losing data is by mounting it with '-o sync'

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dtm:

siXy: i mean when it comes to data integrity, it's nothing more than an fsck accelerator

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siXy:

dtm: in comparison to xfs this is true. xfs uses pretty aggresive caching which makes data loss in a powercut more likely

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siXy:

ex3 doesent prevent dataloss, thats not what i was trying to say

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kury:

siXy, K.. now I have something to work with.. Thanks..

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siXy:

?

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dtm:

siXy: same thing with xfs. mount with 'sync' or get a hard drive controller with a battery.

[08:12:44]

kormoc:

actually, it *does* have a little bit better integrity even in date ordered and normal mode, writeback on the other hand...

[08:12:47]

siXy:

kury: there are lots of good howtos on setting up lirc. i suggest following one of them :)

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kormoc:

(over ext2 that is)

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siXy:

if you mount with sync you lose some the speed advantage tho....

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kury:

siXy, working on it... I just kept getting stuck at the modprobe step..

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dtm:

siXy: hooray for tradeoffs in the natural universe ^_^

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siXy:

well if you mount xfs with sync you may as well just use ext3.. theres really no point

[08:14:57]

siXy:

anyways im off :)

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kury:

if I have an serial based IR device.. do I change my lircd.conf to point to /dev/ttyS0 or do I leave it at /dev/lirc/0 and make a symlink or something?

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kormoc:

kury, you could read the lirc docs

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kury:

I've been going through several wiki's man... I'm asking for specific clarification because I'm having problems...

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Dagmar:

Read the docs more carefully

[08:33:59]

Dagmar:

THere *are* two device nodes involved, yes, but they're read at entirely different points in the process.

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kury:

well.. for trouble shooting purposes.. could one of you running a serial LIRC device restart the lircd service and pastebot there dmesg output for me..

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kury:

I'm curious what my dmesg should look like so I can tell whats screwed up.. my config.. or my kernel..

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Dagmar:

The lirc docs have a troubleshooting section that takes you step by step through the processs, starting with using mode2

[08:37:28]

Dagmar:

_Read_ the docs, don't just skim them.

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kormoc:

kury, you're assuming any of us do run serial devices

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kormoc:

which give how quiet the channel is right now isn't a very safe assumption

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kury:

well I harped on earlier because I asked if anybody was running a serial IR first.. so as a channle... make up your mind..

[08:39:42]

Dagmar:

You're asking questions that hint to me that you're not actually reading documentation like you should be, so...

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kormoc:

in a channel of more then 3 people, the channel will never make up it's collective mind...

[08:40:12]

Dagmar:

Welcome to the Intarwebs! Home of true chaos

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kury:

I'm asking a question because I'v ran into a problem.. and its not covered in the docs..

[08:40:30]

Dagmar:

It is.

[08:40:32]

kormoc:

sure it is

[08:40:45]

Dagmar:

Run for your lives! We're in accord!

[08:40:47]

Dibblah:

I'm afraid I have to say it is ;)

[08:41:41]

Dagmar:

kury: Seriously, man. Stop whining, and just read the docs _carefully_. They really do tell you which device nodes are used for what.

[08:42:15]

Dagmar:

kury: Lirc is _always_ going to be exceedingly painful to deal with until you understand how it works and what it's doing, and the docs are about the quickest way to find that out

[08:42:24]

Dagmar:

They're poorly organized, but they are detail-complete

[08:42:43]

Dagmar:

Once you know it, it's actually not particularly hard to work with

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: Telling someone they're whining doesn't _generally_ go down too well ;)

[08:43:27]

kury:

ya.. its not I agree.. on hardware you know..

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Dagmar:

Dibblah: People can't do both those things at the same time tho. I try to be specific about what's happening that shouldn't be.

[08:44:21]

kury:

I've setup lirc on handful of machines... but never with this driver..

[08:44:44]

Dagmar:

It'd be easier if IRC had a <calm and reasonable></calm and reasonable> tag

[08:44:53]

Dagmar:

Serial is the first

[08:45:00]

Dagmar:

It's actually the _most_ documented

[08:46:18]

Dagmar:

I'm going to have to bite the bullet this weekend and figure out how to upload images into the bloody wiki

[08:46:28]

Dagmar:

One illustration would make everyone's lives easier

[08:46:54]

CBiLL:

got FC installed and up and running =P

[08:46:55]

CBiLL:

going to bed

[08:46:57]

CBiLL:

nn all

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kury:

Does this right for when I start my lirc service?

[08:48:46]

kury:

Oct 31 23:31:45 ondago lircd-0.8.0[18816]: check if /dev/ttyS0 is a LIRC device

[08:48:46]

kury:

Oct 31 23:31:45 ondago lircd-0.8.0[18816]: caught signal

[08:49:31]

kury:

Dagmar, what wiki are you working on?

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Juski:

morning

[08:51:53]

Juski:

so I've got my nice newly installed ubuntu system which has mythtv built from -fixes source on it. I left mythfrontend open yesterday, just sitting there in the main menu... and mythfrontend is using 80% CPU. I restarted it, and there it is again, using 80% CPU or more. what the heck could be wrong?

[08:53:26]

Juski:

ahhh. baby needs a reboot

[08:53:44]

Juski:

forgive me if I'm wrong here but having to reboot a box because it's screwed up? that's not Linux

[08:53:52]

dtm:

is mythweb supposed to be able to act as a mythfrontend including the ability to control the backend in realtime?

[08:54:02]

Juski:

no it's not

[08:54:16]

Juski:

it's a web interface for scheduling & stuff

[08:54:18]

dtm:

i'm mildly confused by the README

[08:54:24]

Juski:

you're telling me!

[08:54:30]

dtm:

5) This unofficial release needs manual configuration of mythtv files in the mythtv installation tree to let MythTv know the plugin exists:

[08:54:33]

dtm:

lols

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dtm:

and it's talking about having internet streaming and whatever available as a menu item, ostensibly in mythfrontend or something.

[08:55:15]

dtm:

NOTE: if the "Internet Streams" menu entry doesn't appear (below the MythTV mainmenu

[08:55:18]

dtm:

"Media Library"-entry) check this:

[08:55:20]

Juski:

I think ubuntu might have to take a walk & a run, skip & jump today

[08:55:21]

dtm:

like that.

[08:56:33]

Juski:

never had a desktop hang on me like this. this just isn't on at all. I mean on my gentoo box X never hung if I left mythfrontend just sitting there, and I could restart X on a whim... none of this needing to reboot shite

[08:56:34]

dtm:

so what's that part about?

[08:56:37]

dtm:

i don't know what it's referring to

[08:56:54]

Juski:

dtm: it's referring to a beta version of some kind of recording streamer setup

[08:56:58]

dtm:

whaaaat? GIVE A HOOT! DON'T REBOOT!

[08:57:01]

dtm:

;]

[08:57:18]

Juski:

sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart should have kicked X back into touch, but no

[08:57:22]

dtm:

:[

[08:57:30]

dtm:

Juski: what about ctrl-alt-backspace

[08:57:33]

Juski:

nope

[08:57:42]

dtm:

or there's a command you can run via ssh to force the console to another vt

[08:57:52]

dtm:

waht about 'killall -9 gdm'

[08:58:07]

Juski:

why the fuck did gdm crash?

[08:58:11]

dtm:

:-[

[08:58:27]

Juski:

I had uptime of well over 6 months on another distro

[08:58:57]

Juski:

and suddenly when I ssh in, it's taking like 30 seconds to prompt for my password when I enter the login name

[08:59:09]

dtm:

what does 'top' say

[08:59:25]

Juski:

top says the box is 99% idle

[08:59:36]

dtm:

couldn't be a network latency, could it/

[08:59:37]

dtm:

?

[08:59:39]

dtm:

dns or something

[08:59:49]

Juski:

no it can't be latency

[08:59:50]

dtm:

something doing an autostartup?

[08:59:54]

Juski:

I'm in the same room as it

[09:00:08]

dtm:

yeah, but is it dependent upon some network service

[09:00:16]

dtm:

liek ldap or dns

[09:00:25]

dtm:

i'm totally guessing.

[09:00:34]

dtm:

you could run tcpdump.

[09:00:44]

Juski:

so if the machine doesn't yet have a FQDN... for example... ?

[09:00:55]

Juski:

my point is I've not changed anything since last night

[09:00:59]

dtm:

well. it'd only need a hostname

[09:01:12]

Juski:

and it was faster last night

[09:01:15]

Juski:

now it sucks

[09:01:16]

dtm:

as in hostname()

[09:01:39]

dtm:

so it's not using ldap or nfs or somesuch?

[09:01:48]

Juski:

nope

[09:02:03]

Juski:

if I wanted to have to reboot the fucking machine every other day I'd be using MCE

[09:03:30]

dtm:

device driver problem? dmesg?

[09:03:32]

Juski:

I'll give it another week, and if it still plays funny buggers I'm moving distro again

[09:03:41]

Juski:

no it wasn't a device driver problem

[09:03:44]

dtm:

lol. that's ridiculous

[09:03:53]

Juski:

X had hung & restarting the manager didn't fix it

[09:04:02]

dtm:

how can you possibly think it's endemic to the distro

[09:04:15]

Juski:

I never had this problem on gentoo

[09:04:21]

dtm:

and how could switching distros be more efficient or sensible than fixing it or reporting it

[09:04:26]

dtm:

lol.

[09:04:47]

Juski:

fixing it? there's no way to find out what was wrong in the first place

[09:05:37]

dtm:

search the bug database.

[09:05:38]

Juski:

oh wait. there it goes again. mythfrontend is using 99% CPU

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[09:05:47]

dtm:

is mythfrontend autostarting?

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[09:05:54]

Juski:

and it's just sitting there in the main menu

[09:05:55]

dtm:

or is anything else autostarting

[09:06:23]

dtm:

if only we either had the source code or could read a log file!

[09:06:49]

dtm:

or type a command as simple as "startx &> foo & tail -f foo"

[09:06:52]

dtm:

oh well

[09:06:53]

Juski:

while top is saying mythfrontend is using 99% CPU, it's still usable

[09:07:02]

Juski:

which is weird

[09:07:13]

ivor:

Juski: you could strace to the process to see what its doing

[09:07:24]

dtm:

yeah. or do something. anything.

[09:07:33]

Juski:

hahaha. went back to the qt painter and guess what?

[09:07:43]

dtm:

you got cookies?

[09:07:50]

dtm:

out of the slot on the front of the machine

[09:07:55]

Juski:

cpu usage has plummetted

[09:08:04]

dtm:

do you not have a 3D driver enabled?

[09:08:08]

dtm:

hardware driver

[09:08:10]

Juski:

back to what it _should_ be for a frontend sitting there doing nowt

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[09:08:20]

Juski:

yes opengl works on this box

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kury:

Juski, what distro?

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Juski:

there might be a memory leak in mythfrontend while using opengl, which might've been what caused the box to have slowness issues

[09:09:25]

ivor:

Juski: weird it should tick along. is it just 99% during transitions

[09:09:32]

Juski:

no it's not

[09:09:47]

Juski:

just sitting there in the main menu, top shows mythfrontend hogging 99% CPU

[09:09:53]

ivor:

naaaaahhhhhh

[09:10:12]

Juski:

If I'd not seen it with my own eyes I'd not have believed it either!

[09:11:33]

kury:

Anyone here running a serial IR device? Do you keep your kernel serial driver compiled in / module / or none?

[09:11:58]

Juski:

ahh well – if it means I can't use the opengl painter on the backend machine then so be it. I don't care that much for the menu fades anwyay :)

[09:12:23]

Juski:

it was fine til I switched to the gl painter last night, so maybe that _is_ the cause after all

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[09:14:25]

Juski:

as for ssh logins taking longer than usual.. erm... maybe that had something to do with mythfrontend sitting there using 99% CPU

[09:14:34]

dtm:

Juski: that or dns timeout

[09:15:17]

dtm:

probably not just due to cpu usage, because it'd not regenerate ssh keys on each session in the same day

[09:15:35]

Juski:

I have another box I can build -fixes on to try to reproduce the problem. I can't afford to be messing with my production backend

[09:15:49]

kury:

Once my lirc device driver is loaded should lsmod show a 1 next to the module name? or not until I start the lircd daemon?

[09:16:12]

Juski:

kury: if nothing is using the module, then it'll show that in lsmod

[09:16:22]

dtm:

Juski: you can do 'ssh -v' to see where it's hanging

[09:16:32]

DGnome:

dorel__: I got the ip crc recorder to work :)

[09:16:50]

kury:

Juski, but when does something start using it? once its loaded.. or once I start the LIRCD daemon.. or after I run something like irw?

[09:16:53]

Juski:

dtm: it was prolly getting its knicks in a twist generating the key

[09:17:11]

dtm:

Juski: just once today?

[09:17:15]

Juski:

dtm: aye

[09:17:19]

dtm:

Juski: oh ok.

[09:17:25]

Juski:

well after I got X sorted out anyway

[09:17:59]

Juski:

I only wanted to log in here to say that radiotimes have fixes the channels.dat list :)

[09:18:07]

Juski:

s/fixes/fixed

[09:18:39]

Juski:

I just wish I wasn't the sort to panic when linux shits itself ;)

[09:18:58]

kury:

Juski, any ideas?

[09:18:58]

Juski:

such is my dependency on mythtv

[09:19:00]

dtm:

lol.

[09:19:05]

dtm:

Juski: ya poor crazy kid!

[09:19:07]

dtm:

<3

[09:19:31]

Juski:

kury: I don't know. if lircd stays running, you should be in business

[09:20:16]

Juski:

if it doesn't then there's every likelihood that the config file for lircd is telling it to listen to the wrong device or a udev rule is putting the lirc device on the wrong node

[09:20:22]

kury:

Juski, it stays running.. but when I run irw it just kicks me back to a prompt.. and their is nothing in dmesg or /var/log/messages

[09:20:46]

Juski:

aye maybe it's listening to the wrong node. I've seen that a lot

[09:21:02]

Juski:

e.g. /dev/lirc/0 instead of /dev/lirc0 or vice-versa

[09:21:48]

Juski:

dtm: I just can't help it.. I'm used to installing stuff & it just working (tm) and staying that way, but then that was before I played with the gl painter I guess

[09:22:00]

kury:

Juski, I have it listening on /dev/ttyS0.. not sure if thats right though...

[09:22:16]

Juski:

kury: have you turned off the serial port with setserial ?

[09:22:29]

dtm:

Juski: noted

[09:22:44]

dtm:

Juski: yeah i have various periods in life when i'm that way, when i'm more focused on what i'm doing than how i'm doing it

[09:23:04]

Juski:

if it's a serial port receiver you either a) have to use setserial to stop the kernel using the port or b) stop the kernel using the port by removing the driver from the kernel :)

[09:23:52]

Juski:

dtm: I'm a guy who just wants to use linux. I don't necessarily want to have to know its guts inside & out. that's why I switched from gentoo in the first palce

[09:24:05]

Juski:

eeks... I should head to work

[09:24:09]

dtm:

Juski: ok that's a nonsequitur

[09:24:11]

kury:

Juski, I tried the setserial method.... and now I'm running a kernel w/out the serial driver...

[09:24:20]

dtm:

Juski: oh wait

[09:24:21]

Juski:

anyway Uk folks.. tv_grab_uk_rt is worky again :)

[09:24:32]

dtm:

Juski: sorry i read "switched TO gentoo"

[09:24:32]

dtm:

har

[09:24:38]

dtm:

lols

[09:24:41]

Juski:

heheh

[09:24:46]

** dtm terminates and respawns **

[09:24:52]

dtm:

yeah it's late in north america.

[09:25:17]

Juski:

laters, all

[09:25:41]

dtm:

l8r

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kury:

Juski, Thx for the help..

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DGnome:

I'd like to know what kind of hardware can playback 1080i h264 (BBC HD for example).. who/where should I ask/look?

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[09:55:20]

kury:

do I need/use /dev/lircd and /dev/lirc0 if I'm using lirc_serial?

[09:57:09]

kury:

hello?

[09:57:27]

Dagmar:

Wow. HOURS later you're still stuck

[09:57:28]

Dagmar:

Sad.

[09:58:06]

kury:

Your so friendly all the time..

[09:58:29]

kury:

tell me.. what lirc docs are you reading that are so amazingly helpful... that I should be here..

[09:59:03]

kury:

You don't even know what I'm fighting w/ other than *lirc* yet you keep mocking me.. telling me to go read...

[09:59:23]

Dagmar:

Not mocking you. Just telling you to go read.

[09:59:38]

kury:

where?

[09:59:54]

kury:

where do YOU recommend.. that I read.. that I haven't already read?

[10:00:03]

Dagmar:

I'm not clicking the mouse for you.

[10:00:13]

Dagmar:

It's your problem. Getting pissed at me is a complete waste of your time.

[10:02:11]

kury:

So tell me.. why are you so rude about stuff.. why not just leave it be.. and don't get involved in my lirc troubles... if you don't have any useful input?

[10:02:49]

Dagmar:

Because ninety percent of you people are freaking functionally illiterate

[10:03:15]

Dagmar:

Meaning you can read, but you *won't*

[10:03:17]

Dagmar:

and then you LIE about it

[10:03:48]

Dagmar:

...and probably 99% of the problems you people have would evaporate like morning fog if you would just freaking apply yourself and actualy read _carefully_

[10:04:45]

kury:

Dagmar, well I have read.. the install docs.. on the gentoo wiki ... the howto on llirc.org and several forum's that came up on several google searchs.. so I don't understand why you have to be so pushy about sending me back to the docs I'v read over a half dozen times?

[10:04:52]

Dagmar:

I don't think the people coming in here are actually stupid, except for a select few.

[10:06:08]

Dagmar:

Okay, get off the short bus and read http://www.lirc.org/html/install.html#testing

[10:07:34]

kury:

yup.. I sure haven't been there before...... O wait.. I've had it pulled up on two machines for the last 3 hours?

[10:07:52]

Dagmar:

Really, so you somehow missed http://www.lirc.org/html/install.html#installing which is just above it...

[10:08:01]

Dagmar:

...that ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION

[10:08:17]

Dagmar:

The one you asked HOURS ago but have been too lazy to listen to me telling you you can find it in there.

[10:09:19]

Dagmar:

Let me quote to you the first sentence in the second paragraph... "When you are using devfs or sysfs with your kernel, the /dev/lirc device node will disappear again once you reboot your machine.

[10:09:20]

kury:

*I'm rereading...*

[10:09:49]

Dagmar:

The stuff really _is_ in there.

[10:10:31]

Dagmar:

The docs are poorly organized is the only thing that really trips people up, and it just means one has to read carefully instead of skimming and hoping to cherry pick out the answers. :/

[10:11:50]

Dagmar:

...2–3 paragraphs later it's (slightly) more explicit about what /dev/lircd is for

[10:13:01]

Dagmar:

BTW, don't think for a second that you've been the worst about not reading. The bar is a lot lowe than that. "Warning: Never compile daemons with "Disable daemonize" turned on and place them in some init script unless you have a rescue disc nearby..." is in there for people who really can't spot the obvious problem with that plan. ;)

[10:13:08]

Dagmar:

s/lowe/lower/;

[10:13:25]

Dagmar:

There is *no* need to feel bad about having a little trouble with lirc.

[10:14:49]

kury:

Dagmar, still not finding any useful info here..

[10:15:05]

Dagmar:

So what's still throwing you

[10:15:58]

Dagmar:

I'm also not trying to be a bastard about telling people to read. It's just very important that people figure out that they *can* actually find the answers to these things on their own--that they are, in fact, smart enough to sort this stuff out

[10:16:33]

Dagmar:

If this were a seriously complex bug living in codespace somewhere, or something deeply buried or arcane (like the "blue line" problem) I would definitely just throw the answer out there.

[10:18:16]

Dagmar:

AH!

[10:18:20]

Dagmar:

I bet I know what's throwin you

[10:19:11]

Dagmar:

I bet your distro doesn't run setserial to actually light up the serial ports

[10:19:59]

Dagmar:

First and foremost, you're trying to talk to a serial device. There's a thing called a UART that's doing the talking to it, and you have to basically initialize them with the setserial program, which is *usually* something done by the distro at bootup

[10:20:47]

Dagmar:

Take a look at http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/experimental/rc.lircd if you can even halfway read shell script

[10:21:03]

Dagmar:

/sbin/setserial /dev/$SERIALPORT uart none 2>/dev/null

[10:21:20]

kury:

Dagmar, I've been running the setserial command.. after I boot for now.. until I get things sorted out..

[10:21:28]

Dagmar:

Basically, something rather like that has to happen to /dev/ttyS0 (this would be cua0/com1) before it will actually work

[10:21:37]

kury:

I ran it againest both serial ports I have..

[10:22:09]

Dagmar:

...but you *do* know which one you have the thing plugged into, right?

[10:22:35]

kury:

this.... setserial /dev/ttySX uart none right?

[10:22:49]

Dagmar:

I say this because it's easier to figure that out by eyeballing the ports than it is to "see" it from the inside of the machine

[10:22:53]

Dagmar:

Yeah

[10:22:53]

kury:

it should be serial port 2.... (or atleast thats what my bios says) (its a laptop)

[10:23:16]

Dagmar:

Ummm... on a laptop, the actual external serial port is almost always ttyS0 (i.e., serial port 1)

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[10:23:41]

Dagmar:

Serial port 2, ttyS1 is usually an internal modem or not used at all

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kury:

I have the bios set to automatically assign the serial ports uarts/ports etc. rather than defining them.. should I change this?

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Dagmar:

Not likely

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Dagmar:

If the module is loaded, run `mode2 -d /dev/ttyS0` and point your remote at the thing and push some buttons

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Dagmar:

If you see it start emitting numbers (like in http://www.lirc.org/html/install.html#testing) then you are good to go with respect to signals getting from the remote, through the UART and to a place where lircd can interpret them

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Dagmar:

Literally all mode2 does is watch the signal line from the serial port, and tell you numbers meaning how long the signal was high or low

[10:27:21]

kury:

mind if I post 5 lines that mode2 outputed or should I pastebin it?

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Dagmar:

Enh pastebin it

[10:28:12]

kury:

http://pastebin.ca/232433 this happens for both ttyS0 and ttyS1

[10:28:59]

Dagmar:

Running mode2 tells you _that_?

[10:29:08]

kury:

correct...

[10:29:39]

kury:

but when I start up the daemon.. and run irw.. it just kicks me back to a prompt

[10:30:25]

kury:

if I run irw twice before I restart the daemon it says "connect: Connection refused"

[10:30:50]

kury:

nothing outputed to dmesg or /var/log/message other than the basic.. daemon started/stoped stuff...

[10:31:52]

Dagmar:

irw is kind of useless until the hardware layer works, so ignore it for now

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kury:

k

[10:33:11]

kury:

in all the IR devices I've setup I've never been able to run mode2... I'v seen it... I'v read about it in variouse docs.. but its never ran on any of my machines...

[10:33:18]

kury:

its always stated that same error..

[10:33:42]

kury:

haupauge /pctv / and serial lirc...

[10:34:16]

Dagmar:

Okay, this is entirely non-intuitive, but I think mode2 might be a little insane.

[10:34:25]

Juski:

DGnome: about being able to play the bbc test HD stuff.. you need one _hell_ of a fast system

[10:34:27]

Dagmar:

I vaguely remember there being something screwball about the way it parses arguments

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Dagmar:

Run `mode2` with *no* arguments

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Juski:

isn't mode2 just for testing the device?

[10:35:09]

Dagmar:

I just had it give me the same bullshit response when I ran mode2 -d /dev/ttyS0, but it behaved fine when I didn't tell anything at ll

[10:35:16]

Juski:

kind of simimlar to saying cat /dev/lirc ?

[10:35:54]

Dagmar:

Juski: no, there's something retarded in mode2 I forgot about that makes it not parse arguments in the way mode2 --help would seem to indicate

[10:36:09]

Juski:

DGnome: btw by 'fast' I mean something ridiculous like dual 64-bit 3Ghz.. that's three real Ghz not made up ones

[10:36:24]

Dagmar:

I think it might be assuming there should be no space between the -d and /dev/ttyS0, but I can't remember. In any case it should likely be looking at /dev/ttyS0 by default

[10:36:50]

Juski:

DGnome: and even then, without nvidia purevideo you're looking at serious framedrops on a fast machine, apparently

[10:36:56]

Dagmar:

My setup actually _works_ and mode2 is giving me the same thing it's giving him. Heh

[10:37:29]

Juski:

you could try not running lircd as a daemon & see what it spits out

[10:37:57]

Juski:

see if it stays up & verify irw works then, or just cat /dev/lirc/0 or whatever & see if you get garbage onscreen when you press remote buttons

[10:38:06]

Dagmar:

If I run mode2 and don't tell it anything, it does what it's supposed to

[10:38:21]

Dagmar:

Gotta scribble on a post-it so I'll remember to try and fix this later

[10:38:44]

Dagmar:

me and strace are spending way too much time together lately.

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Juski:

heh

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kury:

huff..

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kury:

no luck... but its trying to default to /dev/lirc/0

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Juski:

but what's irw trying to connect to?

[10:40:54]

Juski:

oops I mean what's lircd listening on?

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Juski:

and which device is the lirc module wokring with?

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Juski:

you can try stopping the daemon and run lircd -d /dev/lirc/0 I think

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Juski:

if irw then works suddenly you have your reason

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kury:

ttyS1

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Juski:

it's not gonna be listening on a tty though

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kury:

lirc_serial..

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Juski:

yeah

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Juski:

it's not gonna be using /dev/ttys anything

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Juski:

you might have built lirc_serial to use that 'port' but the device it'd create (hopefully) would be like /dev/lirc/0

[10:44:02]

Juski:

so lircd would or should be trying to listen to /dev/lirc/0 not /dev/ttyS$

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Dagmar:

Yes, because that's the pseudo device that the module _makes_

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kury:

so in the /etc/conf.d/lircd it should point to /dev/lirc/0 ?

[10:44:48]

Juski:

yes

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kury:

why wouldn't it be making the device then?

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Dagmar:

They should really put a freaking udev script in the lircd distribution tarball for 0.8.1

[10:45:16]

Juski:

or whatever the device node happens to be. it might be /dev/lirc0 but my point is it won't be /dev/ttyS$

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Dagmar:

It won't make the device unless lirc_serial is loaded

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Juski:

true

[10:45:35]

Dagmar:

lirc_serial _creates_ /dev/lirc/0 (aka /dev/lirc)

[10:46:13]

Juski:

so lircd should be configured to use the same device

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Juski:

you can test the hardware & kernel module by doing cat /dev/lirc/0 or so

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Dagmar:

...or by using mode2 if it's not being spastic

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Juski:

with that you should get garbage chars printed when you press IR buttons

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Juski:

I don't think I ever had any joy with mode2 either

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Dagmar:

I wish they'd use getopts() like everyone else

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Dagmar:

I think the last time I poked at it I fixed it but forgot to save the patch

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Juski:

I wish there were onlt 5 or 6 different remotes!

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Dagmar:

Mine's been working correctly for so long I forgot it was one of the potholes

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Juski:

next to capture card drivers, this is the biggest cause of people's issues with mythtv IMHO

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Dagmar:

My notes say so

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kury:

I have no problems setting up my capture cards..

[10:49:34]

Juski:

and because folks lump LIRC in with mythtv, if they never get the remote working it must follow that mythtv is a bastard to get working, right? ;-)

[10:49:35]

Dagmar:

I have a sheet of paper at the office with the five majors and a buncha buncha tickmarks

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Dagmar:

...so I can know what documentation probably needs more fine-tuning when I get a chance

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Juski:

it'd be cool to have an 'official'

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kury:

I run cat /dev/lirc0 ............press buttons.. and nothing..

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Juski:

ahem .. an 'official' mythtv remote & receiver kit

[10:50:47]

Juski:

kury what about cat /dev/lirc/0 ?

[10:50:55]

Dagmar:

I'd be telling people to buy the One4All I have if it were easier to find

[10:51:08]

kury:

Juski, no such device/file.

[10:51:14]

Juski:

Dagmar: yes but what about a receiver for it?

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Juski:

kury: ah

[10:51:24]

Juski:

is lirc_serial loaded?

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Dagmar:

Everyone wants to use the cheapest thing they can get their hands on tho and that causes about as many problems as anything else

[10:51:50]

kury:

yup.. its loaded..

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Juski:

I think what'

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Dagmar:

Guys who do not normally build circuits from components on a regular basis probably should NOT be attempting to follow the homebrew schematics

[10:51:58]

Juski:

damn cheap keyboard

[10:52:07]

Juski:

hahah true

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kury:

Dagmar, I 2nd that All4One comment...

[10:52:17]

Dagmar:

More often than not when they have a problem, it's because they screwed up making their reciever

[10:52:22]

Juski:

next thing kury, you sure it's plugged into the right port?

[10:52:42]

Dagmar:

I bought the IguanaSoft high-powered (no joke) transciever for $30

[10:52:44]

Juski:

I have some spare serial port receivers I need shot of

[10:53:02]

Dagmar:

Too many people say "$30! I can do it for $4 in parts!" but they actually _can't_

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kury:

Juski, its a laptop.. yup...... BIOS says its serial2 but I've tried both serial1 & 2 (aka 0/1)

[10:53:17]

Dagmar:

My time is worth the extra $25 because it meant the problem was over, solved, and done.

[10:53:18]

Juski:

oh fuck

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Juski:

laptops & serial ports.. hmmmm

[10:53:35]

Juski:

heard this one before

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Dagmar:

If it's really serial2 are you telling it irq 3 as well?

[10:53:53]

Dagmar:

You might want to get rather explicity with lirc_serial's options

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kury:

lol

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Juski:

another thing you can usually do is before the lirc_serial module is ever loaded – cat /dev/ttyS0 & you should see garbage too IIRC

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Juski:

get some unknowns out of the way

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kury:

K... I'll brb then.. (rebooting)

[10:55:01]

Juski:

if the hardware aint working you're pissing in the wind

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Dagmar:

You should be able to just unload the module

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Juski:

yup

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Dagmar:

But do try being as explcit as `modprobe lirc_serial irq=4 io=0x3e8

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Juski:

modprobe -r lirc_serial

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Juski:

or rmmod lirc_serial

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kury:

.. but wil that tty crap still be there if I try and cat it out?

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Dagmar:

...althought that's for ttyS2

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Juski:

you'd need to do a setserial to enable the port again too

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Dagmar:

You mean the screen scramble?

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Dagmar:

Type `reset` if garbage screws up a terminal.

[10:56:37]

Dagmar:

Just type "(enter)reset(enter)" blind and it will reset the vt and unscramble it

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kury:

so before I run "modprobe lirc_serial irq=4 io=0x3e8" I need to run setserial?

[10:57:51]

Juski:

there should be more IR remotes that just act as keyboards IMHO

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Juski:

kury: get the serial port back to just working as if you'd just rebooted

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Juski:

no messing with lirc modules yet

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Dagmar:

I've always run setserial *before* modprobe, so probably so

[10:58:42]

Juski:

you're going to have to test your receiver even works before going any further

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DGnome:

Juski: well, singlecore amd64 running at 2.4GHz in 32 bit land isn't far off

[10:59:02]

kury:

you want me to run setserial like this though "setserial /dev/ttySX uart none" ?

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Juski:

DGnome: it's not far off being able to play it at 15fps, if that's what you mean

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Juski:

kury no – you need to EN able the serial port

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DGnome:

Juski: going for 64bit os soon and faster cpu, see what well be cooking :)

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Juski:

DGnome: I'm deadly serious, HD in the UK is gonna be a bitch to decode on even insane hardware

[11:00:26]

kury:

Juski, I'm not sure how.. is it s specific command or do I need to know the Uart specs & such it booted w/?

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DGnome:

Juski: I know.

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Juski:

until nvidia get their fingers out of their arseholes & put purevideo support into linux....

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Juski:

kury: man setserial ;)

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Dagmar:

Juski: setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none is what *I* run

[11:02:25]

Dagmar:

It's what you have to do to make it work afaik

[11:02:33]

Juski:

Dagmar: I'm trying to get him to test the receiver without lirc_serial's help right now

[11:02:42]

Dagmar:

Ah, okay

[11:03:05]

Dagmar:

In that case, then simply using `setserial /dev/ttyS0` should work

[11:03:11]

Dagmar:

It should be able to autodetect the UART

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Juski:

if the receiver doesn't print garbage on received IR with cat /dev/ttys1 or whatever, it's foobar

[11:03:29]

Dagmar:

...the UART is the thing that attempts to translate line impulses into 8-bit data, btw

[11:04:00]

kury:

I ran setserial /dev/ttyS0 autoconfig

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Dagmar:

Almost everything modern should be using a 16550A uart, but dmesg usually says what

[11:04:24]

Dagmar:

Okay, so if it didn't balk at that, then cat /dev/ttyS0 and push some remote buttons

[11:04:29]

Juski:

kury now try cat /dev/ttyS0 and press remote buttons....

[11:04:41]

Dagmar:

Just to be 100% sure, because I didn't ask this before, but...

[11:04:57]

Dagmar:

You DO have an external serial reciever that you plug into the 9-pin DIN socket, right?

[11:05:10]

Dagmar:

As in you're _not_ trying to use the IR port built into your notebook, right?

[11:05:31]

Dagmar:

"notebook" and "serial 2 in bios" should have been enough warning signs for me, but sometimes I can be thick

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Juski:

hah. that's pertinent .. very much so actually. because the IR modules in laptops are IrDA not CIR and you don't stand a cat in hell's chance of it working

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Dagmar:

Well, if you have a few specific models of Toshiba, Dag Brattli had a thing you could use, but it's close enough to "never" as to be reaslistically impossible

[11:07:22]

kury:

cat of ttyS0 waits for output...

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Juski:

kury? do you have an external IR receiver you plug into the serial port?

[11:07:40]

kury:

but ttyS1 says.. cat: /dev/ttyS1: Input/output error

[11:07:51]

Dagmar:

kury: Answer the question

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kury:

its the built in one... and its a FIR

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Juski:

it won;'t work

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Dagmar:

It will not work.

[11:08:03]

Juski:

it won;'t work

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Dagmar:

Game over.

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kury:

how come?

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Dagmar:

That's mentioned in the lirc docs pretty early on, too

[11:08:29]

Juski:

time to spend some money & stop wasting your time with incompatible hardware

[11:08:38]

Juski:

seriously

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Dagmar:

kury: because the thing is connected tot he mainboard through a chip that expects complex data to be coming across

[11:09:00]

Dagmar:

IR remote control signals are basically not a whole lot more advanced than morse code

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Juski:

whereas FIR & IrDA are

[11:09:43]

Dagmar:

You're wanting to listen to morse code, and those things expect a signal that "sounds" more like a modem.

[11:09:48]

kury:

.. so will the IR device work maybe in linux... for network IR transfer type stuff maybe... but just not for IR remote recieving?

[11:09:53]

Juski:

different carrier frequencies for one thing, which is how you can send data 'fast' over them

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Dagmar:

Yeha

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Dagmar:

I've used them for ad-hoc IR networking many times

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Juski:

you got it kury

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Dagmar:

They just can't be used to listen for a remote control

[11:10:30]

Juski:

so are we done pissing into the wind now?

[11:10:32]

Juski:

;-)

[11:10:35]

Dagmar:

$20–30 will solve the problem without you having to muddle through a parts list or pick up a soldering pencil

[11:11:40]

DGnome:

Juski: seems that people are decoding BBC HD with opterons and such without problems

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Juski:

in linux or in windows, DGnome

[11:11:54]

Juski:

?

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DGnome:

Juski: windows, without purevideo

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Juski:

but they 'only' need opterons.. hmmm

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DGnome:

Juski: utilizig both cores

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DGnome:

Juski: ~50fps playback even

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Juski:

I like the 'only' on an opteron bit though.. it's funny

[11:12:49]

kury:

... well crud...... OK thanks for the help guys...

[11:12:54]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but those are >2Ghz CPUs

[11:13:03]

Dagmar:

THat's quite a lot of programming power

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kury:

I'll brb .. I'm going to go make sure I read right and it *IS* a FIR device..

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Juski:

they're also not very cheap either

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Dagmar:

kury: They pretty much *all* are

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DGnome:

Juski: if an opteran can do it, so can an "ordinary" amd64 x2

[11:13:46]

Juski:

hmmm

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kury:

how do some laptops have remotes for them then??

[11:13:54]

Juski:

kury: special remotes maybe

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Dagmar:

kury: Because they were _designed_ that way

[11:14:27]

Juski:

DGnome: no AMD64 x2 is gonna be quiet enough for my livingroom :-|

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Cottage_IR_Transceivers

[11:14:57]

Juski:

but since real HD in the UK is maybe 6 years off at LEAST, we'll all be able to afford the CPU grunt by the time it's here

[11:15:07]

kury:

humm... what about getting a bluetooth remote? do they make such a thing? (and if they do.. would I be able to set it up like lirc?)

[11:15:16]

Dagmar:

...because in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Homebrew . . . ciever_parts lies madness and ruin for most people

[11:15:23]

Dagmar:

nope

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Juski:

people have tried to find bluetooth remotes, and failed

[11:15:29]

Dagmar:

Lirc doesn't do bluetooth

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Juski:

but if there was one, it'd more than likely just act as a keyboard

[11:15:49]

Dagmar:

Many people have tried... Tried and failed? Tried and died.

[11:15:56]

Juski:

and then you'd be using xmodmap, not lirc

[11:16:48]

kury:

... well I didn't mean to use LIRC.. but just that it could be setup similar to lirc.. binding the keys to different events..

[11:16:50]

Dagmar:

OH hell yes that page uses an image

[11:17:02]

Dagmar:

Cool I can put a workflow diagram up there

[11:18:01]

Juski:

but.. but.. building your own hardware is _easy_. I mean I find it dead easy & I've only worked in electronics all my life!

[11:18:04]

Juski:

;-)

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Juski:

if you've never so much as soldered up a minijack lead you shouldn

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but most people are way into the 3–4 hours of time point before they get done

[11:18:53]

Juski:

shouldn't even go there imho :)

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Dagmar:

I don't like to hire myself to do things for less than minimum wage

[11:19:31]

Juski:

and that's not just me saying that because I'm a 'jobs for the boys' type.. oh wait... yes it is

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Dagmar:

...cuz sometimes I'll get mad and walk off the job and then I'll just be stuck

[11:20:31]

Juski:

hmm malmost done testing this dome camera...

[11:20:33]

DGnome:

Juski: i think this amd64 is quiet enough, CPU-fan stands still while watching SD-broadcasts

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Dagmar:

Yeah, SD can be decoded with a 500Mhz CPU

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DGnome:

Juski: and with heatpipe stuff and massive heatsinks you wont need any fans :)

[11:21:10]

Dagmar:

...provided you don't tease the machine much

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Juski:

DGnome: but during HD? when both cores are going crazy? Oh and I think I remember hearing something about how mythfrontend isn't very multicpu friendly

[11:21:35]

Dagmar:

It's multi-cpu ignorant

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Dagmar:

It's not a multi-threaded app

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Juski:

yet

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DGnome:

Juski: getting xorg to run on one core and mythfrontend on the other is something to look forward to

[11:22:16]

Dagmar:

I don't expect to see the codecs use multiple CPUs at once for a long while

[11:22:53]

Dagmar:

DGnome: Actually, that's more likely to get handled in kernel-space than anything else, although there are processor affinity hacks

[11:23:13]

Juski:

you can already record in h.264 & transcode it to mpeg2 though

[11:23:24]

Juski:

so if all you ever do is timeshift.. no change really

[11:23:45]

DGnome:

Dagmar: afaik the kernel can migrate processes and make the best out of the situation.

[11:24:03]

Dagmar:

I've not seen it doing much of that tho

[11:24:21]

Dagmar:

Not exactly a realtime-friendly operation

[11:24:23]

Juski:

but becuase the HD trial is exactly just that, they're messing around with the streams so it's a bit of a moving target

[11:25:03]

Juski:

and if you're assuming that once analogue is switched off, HD transmissions will suddenly start up everywhere, think again!

[11:25:12]

Dagmar:

lol

[11:25:31]

Juski:

the govt haven't yet made up their mind what to do with the available band space

[11:25:33]

Dagmar:

I'm still saying 2010 before broadcasters will stop begging the FCC for new deadlines

[11:26:09]

Dagmar:

...and they'll probably be asking for a handout to pay for upgrading their own equipment before it's all through

[11:26:10]

Juski:

my money is on them selling off the old analoge TV freqs to the highest bidders

[11:26:17]

Dagmar:

Of course they will

[11:26:42]

Juski:

and if those happen to be mobile comms providers.. whoops

[11:27:00]

Dagmar:

Maybe I can pick up more cell phone conversations on my TV. ;)

[11:27:04]

DGnome:

right now, with an mpeg2 1080i transmission, everything done in software, xorg eats 20% cpu and myth 50–60% .. getting them on different cores would be nice when doing heavier broadcasts

[11:27:05]

Dagmar:

That was always amusing

[11:27:14]

Juski:

ah well. at least then rupert murdoch will have the monopoly on UK HDTV

[11:27:56]

Dagmar:

I have an old portable TV I used to use to demonstrate how easy it was to pick up cell phone conversations

[11:28:06]

Juski:

you can

[11:28:11]

Dagmar:

Thankfully most providers have switched to a much more complex system now

[11:28:20]

Juski:

can't do that without seriously expensive & complex toys now

[11:28:31]

Dagmar:

Thank goodness for digital broadcasting

[11:28:36]

Dagmar:

...although it was fun for awhile

[11:28:58]

Dagmar:

I was doign a show with my housemate once and we patched in a receiver to mix live cell phone calls in

[11:29:06]

Juski:

you'd be surprised how many people still use ancient cordless phones that operate on about 40Mhz though ;)

[11:29:21]

Dagmar:

*Someone* at the party was talking to his girlfriend and basically *chuckle* telling her what he was going to do to her later that night

[11:29:32]

Dagmar:

We damn near got busted.

[11:30:06]

Juski:

to our shame when we ran a pirate radio station at polytechnic, we had someone 'bug' the halls' bike's room

[11:30:17]

Dagmar:

He started talking about hearing some weird echo in the call, and as I'm frantically gesturing to my housemate to kill that channel (and JUST as he does it) we see a guy looking curious with a cellphone stuck on his ear come to the door of the hut where our area was set up

[11:30:32]

Dagmar:

Pretty much EVERYONE there realized it was him who they'd been listening to by our reaction

[11:30:52]

Dagmar:

When the dude walked off the whole place broke out in snickers

[11:31:06]

Juski:

mmm snickers

[11:31:17]

Dagmar:

He was pretty graphic. :)

[11:31:43]

** Juski is done dome testing **

[11:31:46]

Juski:

woo

[11:31:46]

Juski:

!

[11:32:18]

Juski:

it's good for +50 deg C down to past -40 deg C

[11:32:44]

Juski:

aye

[11:32:56]

Juski:

time to swap sites... half hour drive ahoy

[11:33:53]

DGnome:

Juski: whatcha testing?

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caitlin:

yo!

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caitlin:

the thingy that adds new music to the mythmusic system... does anyone know if i can run that remotely, or from the command line?

[11:59:19]

caitlin:

i've got some stubborn music that it's not finding, i want to give it a nudge

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Juski:

DGnome: I was testing a cctv dome camera :)

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DGnome:

Juski: oh, nice :)

[12:26:01]

Juski:

not really

[12:26:49]

Juski:

pays the mortgage

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Juski:

woohooo! ITV have axed Bad Girls!

[12:32:42]

DGnome:

Juski: mkay :)

[12:32:52]

Juski:

just need em to axe Coronation St, Emmerdale...

[12:33:08]

Juski:

and the beeb to axe Eastenders...

[12:33:30]

caitlin:

they'd better not turn off telly, i just bought a new mythtv machine

[12:33:45]

Juski:

you bought a machine with mythtv on it?!

[12:33:58]

Juski:

oh you mean a machine _for_ mythtv

[12:35:12]

Juski:

I'd axe the whole of ITV in our house if I could. my wife ocmplains she hardly ever sees me, but I maintain that if she didn;t spend so much time watching the brainless shite I'd not spend so long on the interweb :)

[12:37:01]

caitlin:

the interweb is better

[12:37:12]

caitlin:

i'm crap at working out how things work

[12:37:20]

caitlin:

mythtv is irritating to work on remotely

[12:38:16]

Juski:

you get what you pay for ;-)

[12:39:23]

qu0zl:

based on the media players out there you seem to get what you don't pay for tbh.

[12:39:31]

qu0zl:

the ones you pay for are just total crap

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Juski:

funny, but if mythtv _made_ you use commandline tools to scan for new music people would ocmplain

[12:48:47]

Juski:

;)

[12:49:24]

caitlin:

yes, but you need both options

[12:49:31]

caitlin:

rant, stamp foot etc

[12:50:07]

** caitlin wonders how to get involved with dev shit **

[12:51:12]

quicksil2er:

Juski: are you a myth coder or just a helpful community member?

[12:51:39]

Juski:

neither

[12:52:18]

Juski:

just kidding.. probably fall into the latter category

[12:52:30]

Juski:

most days

[12:53:20]

** quicksil2er nods **

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Juski:

caitlin: you get involved by making patches that will compile against head, and submit them to the -dev list or create a ticket in trac for it

[12:54:04]

caitlin:

this is something i can do when i'm out of hospital... yay

[12:54:12]

quicksil2er:

I want to speak to a coder to find out how hard it would be to allow myth to understand hybrid cards in its scheduling algorithm

[12:54:48]

Juski:

that could be complicated

[12:56:00]

** quicksil2er nods **

[12:56:12]

quicksil2er:

well it's like having 4 cards

[12:56:13]

Juski:

hybrid cards just overcomplicate matters when it'd be better to have individual tuners IMHO

[12:56:16]

Juski:

it's not

[12:56:21]

quicksil2er:

but with a peculiar set of constraints

[12:56:29]

quicksil2er:

which say you can't use card 1 and 2 at the same time or 3 and 4 :)

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Juski:

hardly an efficient use of a design IMHO

[12:57:08]

quicksil2er:

?

[12:57:12]

quicksil2er:

what do you mean?

[12:57:36]

Juski:

well, you've got dvb-t and analogue hybrids.. you can use one or the other but not both at the same time.. eew

[12:57:42]

xzcvczx:

anyone know of a gui or anything easily able to enable/disable dualhead(one tv & one monitor)?

[12:58:03]

quicksil2er:

Juski: but I happen to have two of those

[12:58:03]

Juski:

not that it matters since analogue is going byebyes soon

[12:58:09]

quicksil2er:

not that soon

[12:58:13]

quicksil2er:

it's still years off isn't it?

[12:58:26]

Juski:

manchester loses analogue in 2008

[12:58:39]

quicksil2er:

that's still quite a while away

[12:58:41]

** darrenp Cheers... Bye analog! :) **

[12:58:51]

quicksil2er:

and if I can get both my cards working in hybrid it saves me buying a third card

[12:58:57]

quicksil2er:

which would be handy...

[12:59:06]

Juski:

doesn't make sense for Uk users to buy into analogue now unless they need it to capture a set top box

[12:59:20]

quicksil2er:

that's probably true

[12:59:22]

quicksil2er:

but I'm talking about me

[12:59:26]

quicksil2er:

I HAVE these cards

[12:59:28]

quicksil2er:

I just want them to work :P

[12:59:33]

Juski:

makes even less sense to have one that doesn't encode to mpeg2 onboard

[12:59:46]

Juski:

do they work in linux?

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quicksil2er:

yes

[12:59:49]

quicksil2er:

they work fine

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Juski:

both sides I mean?

[12:59:56]

quicksil2er:

yes, both sides

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quicksil2er:

only myth doesn't know how to schedule them

[13:00:08]

quicksil2er:

so I pretend one is analogue and one is digital, for now

[13:00:19]

Juski:

the problem you're gonna have is that for it to work you need to differentiate between video sources

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darrenp:

Juski: Is that winter hill turning off analog in '08?

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Juski:

actually some of the work that's going on to investigate multichannel recording from one mux might help

[13:01:03]

Juski:

darrenp: yup

[13:01:08]

rage-:

I hosed up my myth database – if someone could give me the structure for the channel table I'd be grateful

[13:01:21]

quicksil2er:

they can't turn off analog in essex until they actually give us a digital transmitter

[13:01:22]

rage-:

like a mysql insert statement to re-create the table

[13:01:26]

Juski:

rage: restore the backup you made last night

[13:01:26]

quicksil2er:

I don't see that happening suddenly

[13:01:32]

darrenp:

juski: Cool... one less thing that I have to set up constantly at my parents! :)

[13:01:37]

rage-:

Juski, lol

[13:01:56]

Juski:

rage you mean you _don't_ backup the db before messing around with it? whoops

[13:02:00]

Juski:

lesson learned, eh?!

[13:02:03]

rage-:

nah :x

[13:02:07]

defaultro:

hey folks, is mythstream a separate package or is it part now of the whole package?

[13:02:15]

rage-:

its not that I couldn't re-do it all

[13:02:20]

Juski:

no you didn't learn your lesson? not gonna help you then

[13:02:22]

darrenp:

rage: The sql should be in the mythtv source contrib directory IIRC

[13:02:34]

rage-:

Juski, it's not that i didn't learn my lesson

[13:02:44]

rage-:

I overlooked something in the process of writing a script that actually creates backups

[13:02:49]

rage-:

I did a drop instead of a delete

[13:02:56]

Juski:

defaultro: mythstream is an _unofficial_ plugin

[13:03:02]

defaultro:

ah

[13:03:20]

defaultro:

that means, I will have to install it separately

[13:03:25]

Juski:

rage-: I'm confused. which table did you kill ?

[13:03:32]

rage-:

channel

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Juski:

defaultro: no that means you will have to find, patch & build it yourself

[13:03:49]

defaultro:

oh

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Juski:

rage-: do you have any other data to lose? might be easier to wipe it, run mysql < mc.sql & then mythtv-setup again

[13:04:42]

rage-:

Juski, that's what I'm attempting to avoid

[13:04:59]

rage-:

a simple mysqldump of the channel table would give the channel insert statement

[13:05:06]

Juski:

rage: so you need the channel table structure... hmmm

[13:05:46]

defaultro:

does mythstream work with .20? anyone has tried it?

[13:05:53]

quicksil2er:

isn't that channel stuff in mc.sql somewhere?

[13:06:00]

Juski:

nope

[13:06:05]

quicksil2er:

ah

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Juski:

mythstream works with 0.20 in minimyth

[13:06:23]

defaultro:

cool

[13:06:39]

defaultro:

found the site too, MythStream v0.17_2 compiles with MythTV v0.20

[13:06:44]

Juski:

well, as cool at it gets it is.. nothing to write home about

[13:06:47]

defaultro:

http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~moongies/streamtuned.html

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rage-:

Juski, that's what I need yes

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defaultro:

does anyone know if 0.17_2 supports Apple's trailers?

[13:09:07]

Juski:

no idea

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Juski:

rage-: http://pastebin.ca/232641

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** Juski is offski **

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rage-:

Juski, thank you

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Juski:

now don't do it again!!!!

[13:16:43]

Juski:

:)

[13:17:02]

Juski:

there's a nifty db backup script I use

[13:17:22]

Juski:

automysqlbackup.sh.2.5

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Juski:

google it :)

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ivor:

yay. almost recovered my drive! :)

[14:26:10]

ivor:

it wouldn't be that hard to automate the recovery steps.

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ServerSage:

ivor: Sounds like a volunteer statement. ;)

[14:27:27]

ivor:

I'll tag it onto the end of my todo list.

[14:27:54]

ServerSage:

ivor: Does your to-do list look more like a tomb of knowledge than a to-do list?

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fryfrog:

what is port multiplyer?

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Juski:

think of it a little like a USB hub, but for up to 5 sata HDDs from one sata port

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Juski:

you can actually multiply a sata port to up to 12 devices but they'd all have to share the bandwidth of one sata port.. not quite ideal

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qu0zl:

that's handy enough though Juski. Didn't know they could do that

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qu0zl:

no most sata chipsets support it?

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qu0zl:

do even

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Juski:

qu0zl: no idea. it's a fairly new thing I think

[15:04:01]

Juski:

so erm... without sticking my neck out too much, YMMV

[15:04:09]

qu0zl:

heh, fair nuff :)

[15:05:18]

Juski:

I can tell you that the SiL 3512 controller doesn't seem to support it, and silicon image controllers are all too common

[15:06:23]

kslater:

anyone done any type of slingbox-esqe solution with myth?

[15:06:32]

kslater:

does mythstream do this?

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Juski:

not AFAIK

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Juski:

though UPnP support is begininning to emerge – the limiting factor there being gear the developers have available to test it with

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kslater:

Juski, sorry was that an answer to me or to an earlier question?

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Juski:

kslater: to you

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kslater:

Juski: cool, trying to multitask in a meeting..

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fryfrog:

Also, the uh RTS "Supreme Commander" rocks my socks off

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: Game may rock, but their website is obnoxious.

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fluggi:

mythtv-users

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fryfrog:

yeah, flash all over :(

[15:43:33]

ServerSage:

fryfrog: What are the sys reqs for it? I can't seem to find the info on their site.

[15:43:56]

fryfrog:

Well, it is still in beta right now

[15:44:13]

fryfrog:

at 1024x768 it ran very smooth on my old-ish amd64 3200+ w/ 1G ram

[15:44:20]

fryfrog:

and 6600GT

[15:44:38]

fryfrog:

it was a bit slower at 1280,1024

[15:44:41]

fryfrog:

but...

[15:44:50]

fryfrog:

This game *will* cause me to re-do my gaming systems

[15:45:04]

BULLE:

fryfrog: url ?

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fryfrog:

I am going to get a widescreen lcd and a full screen lcd that is the same height

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fryfrog:

http://www.supremecommander.com/

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BULLE:

thanks

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fryfrog:

When it comes out, you'll be able to have the "game" up on one monitor and the "minimap" up on another

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fryfrog:

BULLE: the site is crappy, lemme give you what you *should* read

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fryfrog:

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/supreme-commander/632026p1.html

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fryfrog:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Commander

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fryfrog:

both of those have pretty good info

[15:46:42]

fryfrog:

if you *know* and *like* Total Annihilation from ~98 or 99, you'll love the pants off this

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BULLE:

i just realised that mythtv is bad for your health =)

[15:47:01]

BULLE:

i remember total annihilation from back then

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BULLE:

and it was a good game

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fryfrog:

http://pc.ign.com/objects/755/755287.html

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fryfrog:

TA is the best RTS i've ever played, until last night when I tried SC :)

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Juski:

mythtv is bad for _your_ health, not mine. muhahaha

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BULLE:

Juski: well, i am risking freezing to death !

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BULLE:

Juski: it seems i got a bit carried away, and ordered new comptuer ofr mythtv, and "forgot" that i need some new winter clothing aswell

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Juski:

whoops

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Juski:

anyway.. hometime for me.. laters all

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ivor:

tsch.

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tRSS:

Hey guys. where I live currently, I don't have much choice at getting good/common capture cards. in fact, i can only get pinnacle cards. So far, I can't much info about mythtv+pinnacle cards. Any guidance in this regard, would be highly appreciated!

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tRSS:

*So far, I can't GET much info about mythtv+pinnacle cards....

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seth|laptop:

tRSS: hit up ebay, better choices there, and usually better prices

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** seth|laptop aquired all his cards from ebay **

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Dagmar:

Encourage your gov't leaders to stop being lame.

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tRSS:

sethllaptop: I would love to do that, but buying from ebay is not really a viable option in Pakistan!

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tRSS:

Dagmar: they can't help it, i.e. my Gov't

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seth|laptop:

ah, the shipping may be an issue there

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Dagmar:

Moving is always an option then.

[15:54:57]

Dagmar:

...or running for gov't

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tRSS:

when the gov't head is from the military, i don't have much options of running for gov't either! ;)

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tRSS:

sethllaptop: thats correct

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Dagmar:

Looks like that means you're only left with moving

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ivor:

tRSS: check out the linuxtv site for details of tuner support.

[15:57:13]

tRSS:

Dagmar: I actually used to live in the U.S. Moved back to Pakistan roughly two years ago for job reasons

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ivor:

tRSS: http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Main_Page

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tRSS:

ivor: i am already there, but thanks for URL

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ivor:

tRSS: that's all you need to know then! :)

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ivor:

basically if it's supported by the linuxtv drivers then it'll work in mythtv

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Dagmar:

Oddly, I find all kinds of things out by googling "MythTV Pinnacle"

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ivor:

Dagmar: haha yeah like: "Unfortunately I think that Mythtv has reached it's pinnacle" oh dear.

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tRSS:

Dagmar: I just being more specific with model as well when googling for mythtv+pinnacle

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tRSS:

Good God, why do I keep eating words while typing!!! :oO

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Dagmar:

Why should I worry about that.... It's exactly as specific as you were with _us_.

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ivor:

Dagmar: still in a bad mood today then? :P

[16:00:51]

Dagmar:

Nope.

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tRSS:

Dagmar: Thanks for being so thoughtful and helpful ;)

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Dagmar:

"I need help with computers"

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seth|laptop:

tRSS: when doing research on the pinnacle cards you have at your disposal, does it mention anywhere about which chipsets they use, if you could find that out, you an then go to ivtv.org, and see if you can get as good match.

[16:01:20]

Dagmar:

Typically you want to be specific, rather than incredibly vague about your question.

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ivor:

Dagmar: ooh in that case.... can you take a look at this bloody machine here.

[16:01:38]

Dagmar:

ivor: Feel free to tell the guy everything you can about "Pinnacle"

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ivor:

yup done that already. next.

[16:02:19]

Dagmar:

Then we're done here. Ticket closed.

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ivor:

time to go down t'pub then?

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Dagmar:

Pretty much

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ivor:

cool.

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Dagmar:

About all I can suggest is to go see _which_ Pinnacle cards are actually available, and then dig up information on those specific cards using Google.

[16:03:22]

Dagmar:

Or look 'em up in the myth user database, wherever that went to

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tRSS:

can open another trouble-ticket, if Dagmar doesn't mind? :oP

[16:13:56]

Dagmar:

If you ask something more specific than "what is electricity"

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tRSS:

infact, I will hold onto it.

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caitlin:

what *IS* electricity?

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caitlin:

it's weird stuff

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Dagmar:

Exactly.

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caitlin:

i was thinking about that in the shower

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caitlin:

what makes the electrons move

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caitlin:

"voltage" is a shite answer

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caitlin:

"potential difference" is just fluffier

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Dagmar:

Electromotive force. ;)

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caitlin:

snarf

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caitlin:

magic electron pushing elves

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caitlin:

drift velocity has me confused too

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caitlin:

they move to slow damnit

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quicksil2er:

electricity is using electromagnetic fields to make charged particles flow

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Dagmar:

Bah it's no more magical than gravity

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quicksil2er:

it's rather less magical than gravity

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quicksil2er:

at least it has photons

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caitlin:

gravity can bugger off too... all i know is that i'm glad i dropped of my physics course

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opello:

we accept the 4 fundamental forces *shrug*

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CBiLL:

what keep electricity from falling out of the outlet??

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opello:

a good conductor

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opello:

or, the second? law of thermodynamics...

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Dagmar:

Raw, uncut physics.

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opello:

my hand covering the outlet? :)

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Dagmar:

Fear of the physics police.

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Dagmar:

...that and electrons are very lazy and will generally just refuse to jump through large gaps in physically diffuse mediums

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Henkie:

is there a howto to configure iptv?

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Dagmar:

Get enough of them together tho, and they'll build long chains of themselves like ants crossing a river, just to escape.

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Dagmar:

Think of them as the world's smallest squatters.

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EPS_Fromm:

hi

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EPS_Fromm:

i have compiled the subversion of mythtv, but when i try to run mythtv-setup i get an error about libmyth not available

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EPS_Fromm:

if i do a "ls /usr/lib | grep libmyth" i get no results

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qu0zl:

you sure it's not in /usr/local/lib EPS_Fromm?

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qu0zl:

that's the default for subversion versions i think

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mirak:

hum

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mirak:

I am under ubuntu and when I do apt-get build-dep mythtv it says depencies can't be resolved

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mirak:

weird

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EPS_Fromm:

qu0zl: your right its there

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qu0zl:

k, check your LD_LIBRARY_CONFIG to make sure that /usr/local/lib is in it

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EPS_Fromm:

ok, will do

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EPS_Fromm:

su

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qu0zl:

if it isn't, add it, run ldconfig just to be sure and give it a go

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EPS_Fromm:

oops

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qu0zl:

:)

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qu0zl:

you need to check the LD_LIBRARY_CONFIG of whoevers running mythtv, not roots btw

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EPS_Fromm:

thanks

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EPS_Fromm:

its working now

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EPS_Fromm:

and i even found it in the documentation

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EPS_Fromm:

i would have sweared i had done all :)

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hjohnson:

hmm... I have osme fun here.. how to compress video down to 128kbps

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ivor:

hjohnson: that's easy.

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ivor:

or does it have to be watchable?

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defend:

hey question for ya all any one here transcode there recordings to xvid? if so any preffrences between ffmpeg, transcode, mencode?

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hjohnson:

ivor: semi-watchable.. like the correspondents at the opening of GW2.

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GreyFoxx:

Sweet, my Slackware CD's have arrived

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GreyFoxx:

I love getting something in the mail other than bills

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ivor:

defend: don't they all just use the same ffmpeg code?

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defend:

i dont think so

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defend:

but i could defently be wrong

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ivor:

mencode certainly uses ffmpeg, I thought transcode did too. don't know what the relative merits are of the different ones. I just use ffmpeg when I want to convert things.

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EPS_Fromm:

while running the channel scanner, i get a failure to open the card

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EPS_Fromm:

altho it has been found in the capture cards setup

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EPS_Fromm:

what should the permissions on /dev/video0 be

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Juski:

okees... just started the mythmusic mockup stuff.. an album browser using album art in a gallery-type view: www.juski.co.uk/musicmockup.wmv

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Juski:

sorry about the format.. it was a quicky ;)

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Juski:

and it's _only_ a mockup... no code for it.. that's for someone else!

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seth|laptop:

Juski: very cool

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** seth|laptop even cooler, that you have ABBA in there **

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Juski:

no idea if the final thing would have smooth scrolling, but it'd be nice

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GreyFoxx:

I like the look of it and the way the albums move :)

[17:57:39]

Juski:

now someone just has to code it :-P

[17:57:42]

GreyFoxx:

I'd rather mythvideos gallery view navigated like that

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ivor:

Juski opengl painting surely. smooth scrolling essential.

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ivor:

I'll create a qt mockup if you like.

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ivor:

(just of the navigation)

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Juski:

heh. well as long as my poor little 1ghz epia can do it I'm all for it :)

[17:58:18]

ivor:

obviously. :)

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Juski:

next up, prolly not tonight is the 'list' view mockup with variable width columns

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Juski:

I really hope this ends up being a case study in how to get features included/moving... being proactive I mean :)

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GreyFoxx:

yhell yeah

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GreyFoxx:

and it makes it a lot easier to A: motivate devs who think that is "cool" and pass on exactly what you mean so it's not intereperated differently :)

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Juski:

I remember seeing the 'tips' part of the 'feature wishlist' on the wiki or somewhere..

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ivor:

Juski: had any thoughts on the actual "player" screen.

[18:02:42]

Juski:

and it said to make mockups

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Juski:

ivor: not yet, but I really don't think we need waste space with the controls & suchlike

[18:03:18]

ivor:

no, but you need something on the screen. :)

[18:03:23]

Dagmar:

pron

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Juski:

although thinking about it, mouse/touchscreen controls may well need it

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ivor:

I supose you need the "status"

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ivor:

i.e. what you want to know whilst listening. what's playing, what's next. how long is the current track. that kind of thing.

[18:04:01]

ivor:

all pretty like.

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Juski:

one thing I've thought about is if we have the album gallery / list viewer (genres, artists, titles, year etc) drill down into a 'details' page like the 'pre-play' view you get in mythvideo's gallery mode, listing a nice big albumart view & artist details etc from the db

[18:04:58]

ivor:

yay! The disk LIVES!! laptop boots again.

[18:05:09]

Juski:

you is a genius, ivor! :)

[18:05:29]

ivor:

ok so just buying a new one would have been quicker.

[18:05:50]

Juski:

obviously I'm nicking all the best ideas from MCE, Itunes, xbmc etc but why not? ;-)

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ivor:

what's the interface on the imac media center thingie like.

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Juski:

very pretty

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** ivor heads off to google some screenshots. **

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D-side:

which imac media center thing? Front Row?

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ivor:

that's the one.

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Juski:

like an Ipoo but spiffier

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D-side:

i just got my new mac mini yesterday, thats why i'm so interested. :)

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Juski:

I remember Isaac saying it blows though, so there may be some resistance

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D-side:

i tried the native os x 0.20-fixes frontend yesterday. worked fine with the remote and everything.

[18:07:36]

EPS_Fromm:

whenever i try to scan channels using mythtv-setup i get a "Failed to open the card" and the program returns "QInputContext: no input method context available"

[18:07:45]

Juski:

wish I'd known that at the expo.. plenty of folks asked about mac mini & mythtv

[18:08:26]

Juski:

does mac hardware accelerate h.264 HD in linux/os x ?

[18:08:43]

Juski:

just if it does, I'll put one on my shopping list ;)

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ivor:

hmmm don't think much of the interface for front row shown here: www.apple.com/ca/imac/frontrow.html

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ivor:

basically its the ipod navigation but bigger.

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ivor:

doesnt seem to take advantage of the fact it's on a big screen.

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fromm:

i get this error when trying to start mythbackend:

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fromm:

2006-11–01 19:15:38.294 ChannelBase(2) Error: InitializeInputs():

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fromm:

Could not get inputs for the capturecard.

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fromm:

Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video

[18:20:18]

fromm:

sources to your card's inputs?

[18:20:33]

ivor:

and have you forgotten?

[18:20:49]

fromm:

i'm not quite sure what it meeans tbh

[18:21:01]

fromm:

it finds my card in setup

[18:21:10]

fromm:

and i can watch tv in tvtime

[18:21:17]

ivor:

and have you gone through each of the steps in the mythtv-setup

[18:21:26]

fromm:

yes

[18:21:29]

ivor:

define cards, define sources, define inputs. clearly not.

[18:21:44]

fromm:

i get an error whenever i try to define sources

[18:22:05]

ivor:

perhaps that's your problem then.

[18:23:37]

fromm:

with the possibility to get kicked for spam:

[18:23:39]

fromm:

2006-11–01 19:24:46.241 Please wait while MythTV retrieves the list of available channels

[18:23:40]

fromm:

Can't use string ("getting list of channels") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/XMLTV/ProgressBar/None.pm line 11.

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fromm:

2006-11–01 19:24:46.743 tv_grab_dk --config-file '/root/.mythtv/Denmark (no grabber).xmltv' --configure

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fromm:

2006-11–01 19:24:46.743 exited with status 65280

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fromm:

from the terminal window, when trying to set up sources

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fromm:

and once again i'm sorry for my stupidness

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** fromm slams his head against the wall **

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fromm:

now to my biggest problem

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fromm:

i installed myth from precompiled packages, and when i got this error i tried to compile it myself

[18:32:12]

fromm:

whenever i'm watching live tv and switiching channels

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fromm:

i get an error, and get put back at the main menu. When i enter Live TV again, it says all my input devices are in use

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defend:

hey has anyone been able to compile myth .20 on fbsd by anychance?

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defend:

i get a ways but run into an issue with httprequest sendfile

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CBiLL:

what version is nvidia linux at now?

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aevil:

beta 9226 or something like that

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toma:

my mythtv has crashed a couple of times due to a broken psu, now i've run mysqlcheck -A --auto-repair and mythcomflag --rebuild a couple of times, but I still get frozen image/sound goes fast when i jump in a recording

[18:48:34]

janneg:

iirc 8776

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dtm:

CBiLL: that's what nvidia.com is for

[18:48:37]

aevil:

official would be 877x

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toma:

any other ideas?

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CBiLL:

ok thanks

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jduggan:

i see radiotimes fixed their xml listings

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fromm:

it seems as if my frontend looses the connection to the backend

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fromm:

the backend thinks i'm still watching a channel

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fromm:

so i can't watch anything else

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fromm:

and have to restart the backend

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fromm:

almost happends every channel switch

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toma:

will it help if i delete all recording from the time it started to break down?

[18:52:06]

toma:

i dont really want to do that, but now its useless to me

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toma:

ok, will try again in an hour ;-)

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jduggan:

hrm, brits, how long does a mythfilldb take for all channels ?

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dtm:

til it's done

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jduggan:

heh ok, well mythfilldatabase i get two errors, credits element: wide character in print at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/IO/Handle.pm line 147.. but it hasnt dropped me back to the cmd prompt, ps output shows mythfilldatabase --quiet still running, if i connect to its process with strace its not doing anything at all

[19:08:40]

jduggan:

is it broke?

[19:08:52]

jduggan:

if i ^C will it stop adding it to the db?

[19:09:17]

jduggan:

btw its allready downloaded loads of info (seen from watching the tv_grab process with strace also)

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dtm:

jduggan: yeah you can ctrl-c and restart it

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jduggan:

dtm: restart being, mythfilldatabase again?

[19:12:06]

dtm:

yessir

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dtm:

jduggan: it'll resume

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jduggan:

dtm: but, uhm, it'll just stop on that error again surely

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dtm:

ya think so, huh?

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jduggan:

well i dont see how an error will fix itself, but i'll give it a go

[19:14:05]

jduggan:

hmm

[19:14:31]

jduggan:

i've no way of verifying if it is indeed resuming or just starting from scratch, have to wait n see if it stops with teh same error

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dtm:

jduggan: it has to resume. the database is already populated.

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mirak:

hey

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dtm:

i've watched it before with mythtv 0.19

[19:17:27]

mirak:

what's the device for pvr 150 devices ?

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dtm:

mirak: you mean /dev/video0 ?

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mirak:

that's it ?

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dtm:

:-I

[19:17:50]

mirak:

yes

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mirak:

I guess that's it

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stuarta:

evening all

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fromm:

evening

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hjohnson:

hmm...

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jduggan:

anybody here use mplayer with an remote?

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** hjohnson ponders of some software solution that would esentially be a server.. use a video conferencing product to spit H.263 video at it, it just takes the inbound video stream, and spits it out to composite video. **

[19:30:32]

hjohnson:

and analog audio

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hjohnson:

something like that.

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jduggan:

dtm: well, seems it started again, by watching strace output it faulted on the same channel.. sounds to me like its passing chars int he xml listings that it cant understand/process, trying again now by removing the offending channel

[19:50:24]

dtm:

:[

[19:50:28]

dtm:

yeah.

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dtm:

jduggan: possibly mysql corruption

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dtm:

happens all the time.

[19:51:03]

jduggan:

dtm: but this is the tv_grab script that halts?

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jduggan:

does tv_grab inject into mysql?

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** jduggan checks source **

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jduggan:

dtm: when viewing the schedules, the text which shows the channel name is huge and fills the area allocated so that i can only see maybe 4chars worth of the channelname, how can i fix this?

[19:55:10]

jduggan:

guess there is a font size setting somewhere, but where?

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Gurft:

Where does the mysql db store it's actual database. I want to move it onto a different disk....

[20:13:42]

kormoc:

Gurft, /var/lib/mysql typically

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Gurft:

I'm assuming just create my new filesystem, move everythign in there, then symlink it? Or woudl I be better off making a change in the mysql configuration to point to the new location?

[20:18:41]

Juski:

hokees. apparently I have no programmes scheduled to be recorded. again. except I do have stuff scheduled. loads of it

[20:19:38]

Gurft:

Juski, I've been having weird problems with mythfilldatabase

[20:19:50]

Gurft:

since there were no good recording schedules, it didn't show anythign planned to be recorded

[20:20:06]

Juski:

I have 10 days worth of epg data

[20:20:09]

Gurft:

Turned out my programs table was getting corruped regularly, hence me wanting to move it to a less busy LUN.

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** Juski can see himself getting slightly irritated by this **

[20:21:40]

dtm:

Juski: is this "hooray for mysql" time?

[20:21:51]

Juski:

running mysqlcheck now

[20:22:15]

Juski:

no problems found

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jduggan:

Juski: right i have epg data now, courtesy of tv_grab_uk_rt, but it doesnt assign channel numbers to channel names, (guessing because they're broadcast on different channel numbers between different services), how do i make 'bbc 1' in mythtv correspond to '101'?

[20:22:49]

Juski:

restarted the backend and erm... there's still no upcoming recordings :(

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Juski:

oh wait a fscking minute

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Juski:

did someone forget to copy the .xmltv files across to the new hdd I wonder? hmmm

[20:24:14]

Juski:

oh yes I did. that might explain stuff

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dtm:

good jorb

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Juski:

er.. I dunno if I copied them over yet

[20:25:35]

Juski:

might have to reboot on the old hdd & copy them over

[20:25:49]

Juski:

ah no, here the are...

[20:26:50]

Juski:

hahaha tv_grab_uk_rt.. no such file or directory!

[20:27:35]

Juski:

still puzzling why a failed mythfilldb would wipe out my upcoming recordings when there's plenty of guide data left though

[20:27:54]

Juski:

and no guarantee that this will fix it AFAICT

[20:29:12]

Juski:

notice I'm still quite calm at this point ;)

[20:30:25]

Juski:

I bloody knew it was too good to be true on sunday

[20:30:31]

scopeuk:

lol

[20:31:20]

Juski:

still – to go back to 0.19-fixes, which I don't really wanna do, all I need do is export my recorded programs table & swap hdds over

[20:31:49]

ivor:

ow ow

[20:31:50]

ivor:

ow

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** ivor is in pain. **

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Juski:

what've you done ivor?

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ivor:

came off my bicycle

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ivor:

hit pothole. went flying over handlebars.

[20:32:52]

ivor:

ow

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Juski:

oof!

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ivor:

bent forks

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Juski:

must've been some pothole.. blimey!

[20:34:07]

** Juski hurries up mythfilldatabase **

[20:34:47]

Juski:

you being tended to, with savlon & TLC ? ;)

[20:36:11]

** stuarta feels sorry for ivor **

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scopeuk:

ivor thats a git

[20:37:37]

ivor:

starting to ache.... time for a bath I think.

[20:37:45]

jduggan:

ok think i fixed it, channel number was set to its name

[20:37:47]

scopeuk:

jsut watch the grazes

[20:38:07]

ivor:

scopeuk: and the gash on my leg.

[20:38:12]

ivor:

:(

[20:38:24]

scopeuk:

ivor ohh

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** scopeuk crindges **

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scopeuk:

last time i came off properly i grazed from my ancle up to my sholder

[20:38:57]

scopeuk:

supension o na bmx track is a bad idea (only front) lost it on a burr

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Juski:

god mythfilldb never used to take this long

[20:40:19]

jduggan:

Juski: running mythfilldatabase i get an error 'credits element: wide character in print at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/IO/Handle.pm line 147.. and it stops, you ever come across this?

[20:40:33]

Juski:

I get the message but it continues

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jduggan:

ok

[20:40:48]

Juski:

utf-8 chars in xmltv now? yuk

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mirak:

hi

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scopeuk:

Juski lol

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Juski:

either my database is fucked, or gentoo really IS the bees knees for optimisation

[20:46:08]

D-side:

heh

[20:46:12]

D-side:

that sounds less than optimal

[20:46:19]

D-side:

there was an unfortunate pun. :/

[20:46:32]

Juski:

mythfilldb has never taken this long, to my knowledge

[20:47:05]

D-side:

how long is it taking?

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Juski:

about 15 mins so far

[20:47:29]

Juski:

whereas before it would take about 3 mins

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D-side:

i've had that happen before.

[20:47:39]

jduggan:

mythfilldb.. reads from the channel listing in /home/mythtv/.mythtv/sourcename.xmltv? am i right or wrong?

[20:47:42]

D-side:

to me thats not uncommon actually.

[20:47:54]

Juski:

jduggan: yup

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D-side:

though our listings are clearly vastly different

[20:48:26]

Juski:

I'm only waiting for it to finish so it can run the reschedule bit.. then I'll know if my upcoming recordings are gonna re-appear

[20:48:31]

mirak:

hey do you know what is the best tool to probe cable channels transponders with a dvb card ?

[20:48:38]

Juski:

scan

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mirak:

I use scan but

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jduggan:

Juski: ok, but running mythfilldb only seems to grab all my old channels, even though i tv_grab --configured and saved the channel list over my old list of channels?

[20:48:54]

mirak:

Juski: yes but that's not really automatic ...

[20:49:16]

Juski:

mirak: it's as automatic as you can get fo $deity's sakes

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jduggan:

Juski: do i have to restart the frontend?

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mirak:

Juski: if I find the main transponder frequency

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Juski:

jgarvey: maybe the backend

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Juski:

and then maybe not

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Juski:

ooooo shat. upcoming recordings is still empty

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stuarta:

xmltv id's ?

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Juski:

plenty of recording schedules, just nothing in upcoming recordings.. up to date guide data and the database is in good shape

[20:53:16]

Juski:

stuarta: it updated some shows during mythfilldb, so I assume it's all good still

[20:53:30]

Juski:

just looked in the channel table & it all looks ok

[20:53:40]

stuarta:

erm, channel names match the schedules?

[20:54:23]

Juski:

yeah

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stuarta:

had that one bite me before...

[20:54:43]

Juski:

whoah hang on.. /dev/dvb has vanished

[20:54:50]

stuarta:

ooops...

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Juski:

no recorders, no upcoming recordings!

[20:55:25]

stuarta:

doh!

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Juski:

cause and effect :)

[20:55:37]

Juski:

rebootski

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Jusk1:

I had this on Sunday I remember

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stuarta:

new kernel?

[20:56:39]

Jusk1:

first bootup, the ivtv eeprom module caused an issue with the dvb drivers

[20:56:47]

Jusk1:

rebooted & it was suddenly fine

[20:57:00]

Jusk1:

had to reboot the box today, & forgot to check it was all ok again

[20:57:08]

czth_:

does/can myth do DVD lookups based on CRC like WinMCE does with dvdid.xml files?

[20:58:16]

Jusk1:

WHAT?! just rebooted & /dev/dvb is populated now

[20:58:34]

Jusk1:

so now I have to live in fear of a powercut :-|

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Jusk1:

and whahey! upcoming recordings are all back

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Jusk1:

figures

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scopeuk:

Jusk1 cron job at start up check if its populated if nto restart

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** Jusk1 can see a kernel change coming on **

[21:00:29]

Jusk1:

not tonight though.. too close to bedtime. with 7am starts you can't really do that late a night ;)

[21:01:18]

scopeuk:

for 7 am i use to do between midninght and one

[21:01:30]

scopeuk:

probably coudletn do it now though been sleaping longer for the last fe wmonths

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Jusk1:

bloody weird that though.. reckon it'd have anything to do with the order the modules load in ?

[21:03:09]

scopeuk:

more than likely

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PointyPumper:

snif

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PointyPumper:

mauro disapeared

[21:03:19]

PointyPumper:

he doesnt want to fix bttv driver xD

[21:03:29]

PointyPumper:

coward (?)

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PointyPumper:

oosp

[21:03:37]

PointyPumper:

wrong channel

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Jusk1:

I wouldn't wanna fix your driver if you spoke like that about me, that's for sure!

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PointyPumper:

hahahah

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jduggan:

hmm, my channel change script is still not working with epg data... i have a script 'channel_change' which works as '/usr/bin/channel/change 101' to change to 101.. i made a wrapper bash script basically #!/bin/bash /usr/bin/channel_change "$1" called irchange.. i call irchange as my external challel changer, mythbackend log gets irsend not enough parameters, anyone know how to fix this?

[21:04:24]

PointyPumper:

note the "(?)"

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PointyPumper:

-_-

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Jusk1:

it's no laughing matter

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jduggan:

how can i find what irsend cmd mythtv is actually sending?

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Jusk1:

jduggan: all mythtv passes the changer script is the freqid

[21:05:04]

Jusk1:

a single ARG

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jduggan:

ok, its not passing anything then

[21:06:25]

jduggan:

when i hit '101' for instance, mythtv thinks it changed channel coz i get the epg data for 101 (bbc1), but it doesnt send anything to the STB and the backend.log shows irsend cmd error

[21:06:26]

Jusk1:

put a print $ARGV in the script right at the start with "HELLOOOOO... $ARGV" or something, so you know when it's being passed right

[21:06:45]

jduggan:

where would it print that ? in the console i ran mythtv from?

[21:06:47]

jduggan:

or in the backend?

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Jusk1:

(if it's perl)

[21:06:55]

Jusk1:

backend log I think

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jduggan:

okay

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Jusk1:

hmm I think my problem is caused when the dvb modules load before the ivtv one

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Jusk1:

there's a symbol conflict in tv_eeprom or something

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Jusk1:

cos it started up ok this time & in dmesg the ivtv messages are before the dvb tuner ones

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ago:

Hi all, I have a couple of n00b questions

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Jusk1:

uhoh

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ago:

1 how comes the pwd is saved in clear text?

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ago:

2 how can I control mythtv via joystick? I get "joystick disabled" when I start

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Jusk1:

ago: because mythtv is not fort knox

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Jusk1:

and secondly you need joystick support to be compiled into mythtv

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mirak:

for a pvr150 is it needed to special things to make it work ?

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Jusk1:

or you need to have joystick drivers enabled

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** czth_ stops digging through his motherboard to find the gold **

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ago:

Jusk1 thanks

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** Jusk1 throws a vat of nitric acid at czth_ **

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czth_:

mirak: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR-150

[21:10:52]

mirak:

mythtv-setup behaves like my dvb-c and pvr150 are not reconised

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ago:

Do you happen to know if ubuntu edgy build include joystick support? How can I check that?

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mirak:

though scan manage to find some channels.

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Jusk1:

ago: that'd be one to take up in #ubuntu maybe

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czth_:

i have a PVR-150 (actually 2 PVR-150MCEs) and they work fine. i use Gentoo, i think i just had to set up the kernel properly and emerge ivtv and modprobe it.

[21:11:49]

ivor:

hmm I should have brought a beer up to the bath....

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Jusk1:

irc in the bath? now there's an idea :)

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czth_:

although i ran into a bug trying to set up the second card: it wouldn't let me set the device to /dev/v4l/video1, just video0 like the first

[21:12:18]

czth_:

so i had to change it in mysql

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czth_:

an electrifying idea...

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ivor:

Jusk1: just mind the bubbles on the keyboard...

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czth_:

and don't let the rubber duckies block your view

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** Juski wonders if there's an easy way to work around this module problem without rebuilding anything... **

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ivor:

aaahhhhhhh

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ago:

Jusk1 thx. Any simple way to check that?

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jduggan:

Juski: i dont see anything printed

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mirak:

ivtv is not ni vanilla kernel ?

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Juski:

ago: google for ubuntu and joystick

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Juski:

mirak: not yet, but it's creeping towards it

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czth_:

mirak: i don't think so, i'm using 2.6.17

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mirak:

me to, on ubuntu

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czth_:

that was the latest unmasked for AMD64

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Juski:

maybe by 2.6.20 or so.. keep everything crossed :)

[21:14:31]

mirak:

czth_: on gentoo ?

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czth_:

yep

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ago:

Juski my joystick works on other apps, just wondering if there was a way to check whether it was compiled with mythtv

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mirak:

module-assistant is beautifull to build modules

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mirak:

czth_: how do you do on gentoo ?

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czth_:

how do i do what?

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mirak:

ivtv0: unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw

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** j-rod would love to talk davej into including ivtv in fedora kernels... **

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mirak:

is that just to update the pvr150 firmware or real bug ?

[21:19:49]

** j-rod already knows that has nearly zero chance of happening though **

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GreyFoxx:

mirak: The firmware used on those cards is loaded at runtime,so everytime the machine boots and the driverloads it puts the firmware on the card

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GreyFoxx:

So the driver is failing to find the firmware to upload to the card

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mirak:

hem this firmware is part of the driver ?

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mirak:

or must be got somewhere ?

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scopeuk:

the firmware tells the hardware what to do

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GreyFoxx:

Nope, must get it seperately

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mirak:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

the ivtv website has links on how to get it

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GreyFoxx:

it comes with the windows drivers as well

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mirak:

ok I gues it's not redistribuable

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GreyFoxx:

Nope

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GreyFoxx:

Only Knoppmyth has permissions to redistribute it

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scopeuk:

GreyFoxx take it the project as a whooe ahs requested and been declined?

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GreyFoxx:

scopeuk: I think it was asked once and rejected (or went unanswered). Later cesman got permission to do it with knopmyth

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GreyFoxx:

no idea if anyone else as asked

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scopeuk:

kk

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scopeuk:

knew knoppmyth had permision

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mirak:

GreyFoxx: hem I found an howto for ubuntu edgy. there is two firmwares to install ?

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mirak:

oh ok, pvr150 and pvr500 needs a file that must be moved to /lib/firmwares

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mcquaid:

hello, the partition i have mythtv on is kind of small, and only have about 200megs space free.

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scopeuk:

mcquaid care to phrase in the form of a question?

[21:33:25]

mcquaid:

I have another drive with lots of space so I moved ~/mythtv there. But today when I went to use mythtv there was 0 space free on the partition

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mcquaid:

I know I should resize the part or clean up things, but I'm wondering if I could move the actual database

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mcquaid:

where is the mysql database stored?

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mcquaid:

heh, ya that took awhile to get to the question sorry

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mcquaid:

basically I want to move the mysql db and just sym link it

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ivor:

right.. anesthetic... beer, wine or whiskey...

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scopeuk:

in that order

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** stuarta suggests all of the above **

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scopeuk:

jsut dont spil the whiskey on the cut

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** ivor heads off on a mission. **

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scopeuk:

unless havig first consumed the beer/wine

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mcquaid:

scopeuk, where is the database of the xml listings contained?

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scopeuk:

mcquaid im not sure

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scopeuk:

do you mean the conf file with the lsit or where abouts in the database?

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mirak:

hem pvr150 shows tunet, svideo1 svideo2 composite1 composite2 , why are they in dupes ?

[21:39:13]

mirak:

are there internal ports maybe ?

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mcquaid:

hmm not anything within it, I want the actual file(s) that make up the database and move em/sym link em to another partition

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scopeuk:

mcquaid i have no idea

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mcquaid:

ok

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scopeuk:

never had to do anyhtign that flash with mysql

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stuarta:

mcquaid: often /var/lib/mysql

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mcquaid:

ok i'll look there

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Juski:

mcquaid: maybe you forgot to mount the other drive ;)

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stuarta:

mysqladmin variables | grep datadir

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** stuarta learnt that one today **

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mcquaid:

thx

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scopeuk:

stuarta i still prefer cat /dev/random | grep cool

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scopeuk:

hours of fun

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defend:

lol i like cat /dev/random | grep cool > /dev/dsp0 even better tho

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scopeuk:

defend got me there

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defend:

:)

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scopeuk:

or plain old cat /dev/random | /dev/dsp0

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defend:

| doesnt work

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defend:

at least i am pretty sure it doesn

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scopeuk:

does it not

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defend:

need to be >

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scopeuk:

infact no

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scopeuk:

its block device it wont

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scopeuk:

cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp0

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defend:

but if u do that with out a grep then it is just constent noice

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defend:

we like doing a grep so it is random and unexpecting

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defend:

we do it sometimes at work

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defend:

lol

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jduggan:

mythfilldatabase rapes my cpu Cpu(s): 99.3%us is this normal? considerin i dont see mysql processes usin much processor?

[21:46:51]

defend:

so it will make noise randomly as people are walking arround

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defend:

mine isnt that much lol

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mcquaid:

yes the db is in /var/lib/mysql

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scopeuk:

lol

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defend:

it runs like 5 min

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mcquaid:

but i was surprised it's only about 30 megs

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defend:

and i dont ever realy notice the load

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mcquaid:

I had 200megs free and zero this morning (yes I know 200 is really small)

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defend:

FN~mcquaid, do you have the recordings saved on that disk?

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mcquaid:

I just like to know where it disappeared to,

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mcquaid:

no different part

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mcquaid:

and mythtv's home is moved to another part as well

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defend:

try du -c -F /path

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defend:

it will give u an overal view of sizes

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defend:

u might want to do | more

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defend:

ops

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defend:

du -c -h /path

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mirak:

is it wanted that no dvb-c card are listed on this wiki ? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card

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defend:

sorry i am sitting in the darlk and cant see anything

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mcquaid:

ya i was just doing that on the mysql dir, but doing with doing that on the whole drive, I doubt I'm going to notice whats larger today vs yesterday

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mcquaid:

np

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mcquaid:

err scratch 1st doing

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mcquaid:

and i haven't launched mythfrontend since this morning, hope the db didn't get hosed or anything grinding away with 0 free

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defend:

lol

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defend:

i dont it would

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mcquaid:

doubt you mean?

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defend:

u probly just will need to rerun the fill later

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defend:

ya that to

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defend:

when u get some space back

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mcquaid:

k

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jduggan:

jesus christ, mythfilldb takes like an hour

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scopeuk:

lol

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scopeuk:

its slow alright

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scopeuk:

some of us only have 5 chans to get frtunately

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jduggan:

hmm

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jduggan:

5?

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scopeuk:

my myth box is analog atm

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jduggan:

u use it with terrestrail or smth?

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jduggan:

ah right

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jduggan:

well, i mythfilldb'd on like 5channels, but for some reason, mythfrontend had a load of channels i didnt even want in the EPG like 100 of them with unknown info

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BULLE:

i think my mythbox is more kind of extraterrestial

[22:14:39]

scopeuk:

BULLE you punt it?

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BULLE:

scopeuk: railgun!

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jduggan:

so i did it again, edited the channel numbers then mythfilldb'd again.. i run tv guide in teh frontend and it segfaults sayin it has no grid info

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scopeuk:

sweet

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scopeuk:

wouldent that scramble the hdd though?

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BULLE:

scopeuk: well, a friend of mine is obsessed with building a railgun, and he is capable as well, so we will see =)

[22:15:38]

scopeuk:

BULLE rail guns are fairly simple depends on scale though

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scopeuk:

need lots of electrical enrergy quickly

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jduggan:

Could not get inputs for the capturecard.

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jduggan:

hmm

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BULLE:

yeah, so lots of capacitance is needed

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jduggan:

*ponders*

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scopeuk:

BULLE can do it with a pulse gerneator 2

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scopeuk:

thats how the us navy research guys do it

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ivor:

nah he wants a HERF gun, not a boring old rail gun.

[22:16:43]

scopeuk:

herf == gause?

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jduggan:

scopeuk: do you know how to change font size in the EPG/program guide?

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scopeuk:

jduggan sorry no

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jduggan:

the channel names are'nt fully shown

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scopeuk:

herf looks borrign similar effect with a few deagause coils out of odl crts

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jduggan:

like it shows maybe 3/4chars of the channel name

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jduggan:

scopeuk: do you use epgs?

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scopeuk:

jduggan not ota and my box is currently 50miles away and ofline

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Juski:

oh shit

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Juski:

unable to connect to the master backend.. is it running? er...

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** stuarta uses epgs **

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Juski:

this != what I need at 10:22pm

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scopeuk:

isent it 9:22

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scopeuk:

eg after we came out of day light savings

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stuarta:

nope

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scopeuk:

hmm my pcs clock has gone an hour arry

[22:23:17]

scopeuk:

shrug

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stuarta:

you dual boot windoze don't you

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siXy:

Juski: mythtv normally breaks for me just as me and the wife sit down to watch a dvd :/

[22:23:30]

scopeuk:

atm dualing windows with windows

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Juski:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart and it gives me the bloody syntax

[22:24:02]

Juski:

this is stupid

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stuarta:

windoze insist's on adjusting the hw clock. linux leaves the hardware alone

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Juski:

card4 failed init

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Juski:

fucking mar vel ous

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siXy:

Juski: su -c instead? or are you un ubuntu atm?

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jduggan:

Juski: sounds like sudo is tryin to pass restart as an option?

[22:25:38]

Juski:

jduggan: start & stop work

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Juski:

restart doesn't

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jduggan:

hmm

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Juski:

and I'm rapidly going off ubuntu

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Juski:

hmm I wonder which $randomdevice my pvr150 card has come up as this time

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siXy:

Juski: sudo su && /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart && exit might work

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Juski:

siXy: I don't care about that

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Juski:

this install is fucked up & sometimes my modules load properly, sometimes they don't

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jduggan:

stuarta: in my 'program guide'.. on the left where it shows channel name if its a long name say 'UKTVGOLD' i only see the centre leters TVG and the edges of maybe O and K.. how do i fix this? i changed font sized, but it doesnt seem to have altered this

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siXy:

eeewww

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Juski:

ivtv 0.4.6 on a 2.6.15 kernel

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Juski:

sod it

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Juski:

I need my mythtv to work

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siXy:

what error do you get when you modprobe -v?

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Juski:

ahh well you see – sometimes when they DO load properly, the pvr150 card comes up at a different node

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Juski:

which isn't quite ideal, as you can imagine

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siXy:

eh? that shouldnt happen :x

[22:29:22]

Juski:

maybe if my dvb tuners didn't also get /dev/video nodes this wouldn't happen

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stuarta:

jduggan: dunno, never had a problem with that...

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Juski:

The system is going down for reboot NOW!

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siXy:

maybe if you force them to loadin a specific order (ie the pvr-150 first) then that might fix it

[22:30:34]

Juski:

well I might do that, other than the fact ubuntu wants to load the dvb modules automatically, and seemingly sometimes after ivtv

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octan:

hi all.. anyone know if thers a fix for tv_grab_no for norway?

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Juski:

this is wholly crap & I never had these issues in gentoo

[22:31:40]

Juski:

see this time I have no dvb nodes at all

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siXy:

eeerrrg. you can probably make a udev rule to control that, but ubuntu/debian isnt really my thing

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stuarta:

Juski: the frontend drivers loaded for the card?

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Juski:

and this time in dmesg, I see the reason as cx88_dvb: Unknown symbol cx8802_fini_common and so on...

[22:32:20]

Juski:

yet before, ivtv & dvb drivers both coexisted

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Juski:

another reboot...

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siXy:

now you wish you hadnt volunteered for #ubuntu-mythtv :)

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Juski:

what I'm wondering is.. how the hell can driver modules end up loading in different orders, _sometimes_

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stuarta:

maybe it does some autodetect magic each time...

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Juski:

course an answer might 'just' be to upgrade to edgy

[22:33:54]

Juski:

but jesus h christ...

[22:34:06]

siXy:

Juski: this happens with usb devices a lot. i did find a way to control usb device loading, but pci devices should always load in the same order

[22:34:20]

dtm:

Juski: you can specify what order they're loaded in

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Juski:

yes, it's not as if I'm here shuffling the bloody cards around :)

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dtm:

or which ones are not to be loaded ever

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Juski:

dtm: oh do tell me please :)

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siXy:

but if your pci devices are loading in different orders im thinking udev might be ill, which might explain your random errors

[22:35:22]

dtm:

Juski: well in fedora i have /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and such

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Juski:

see now I've got /dev/dvb back but the ivtv card isn't at /dev/video2 where it was on sunday

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dtm:

Juski: it's all in /etc/modprobe.d

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dtm:

blacklist atyfb

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dtm:

like that

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dtm:

that's the contents

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ivor:

Juski: you could write a udev rule to bind specific cards to the devices you wanted.

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siXy:

yeah i already said that :)

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Juski:

I could, if I knew how to go on with udev

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** ivor scrolls. **

[22:37:31]

Sebulba02:

DRIVER=="b44", NAME="lan"

[22:37:31]

Sebulba02:

DRIVER=="prism54", NAME="wlan"

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Sebulba02:

that's for network, but should be adaptable.

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ivor:

http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html

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** Juski rubs his eyes **

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Juski:

I had this kind of issue when I was trying ubuntu on my desktop machine.. two soundcards in it, one onboard, one not. I don't ever want to use my onboard sound, and when it's not disabled in the BIOS ubuntu sometimes made the default the wrong one

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siXy:

this is one instance where fedora/gentoo might actually be _easier_

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Juski:

sod this for a game of soldiers. I'll take the hit of the last 3 days' recordings & swap HDDs back til I can be arsed to sort it out properly

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** stuarta suggests copying the recordings **

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Juski:

no need to do that :)

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Juski:

quick recorded table export I think...

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jduggan:

/usr/local/bin/irsend: not enough arguments

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jduggan:

my script never works :(

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Juski:

The system is going down to maintenance mode NOW!

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Juski:

bye bye ubuntu

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stuarta:

wonder why it's giving you such grief

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one_black_eye:

is there a way to manually configure mythtv rather than use `mythtv-setup` ?

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Juski:

stuarta: one word: ivtv

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stuarta:

no

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Sebulba02:

that would be... painful.

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stuarta:

wonder when they are pushing 0.8 to the kernel

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dtm:

one_black_eye: if you don't have a console, you can use vnc or x11 forwarding

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Juski:

well not just ivtv.. also the stupid udev stuff where hardware can't be guaranteed to appear on a given node.. but thats by the by

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one_black_eye:

i tried running it via x11 over ssh, after 10 minutes nothing happened. It displayed the background and didn't do anything else

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Juski:

hehehey! mythtv back worky worky

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siXy:

:)

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Juski:

well, it's been erm.. 'fun'

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Juski:

g'night y'all. I'll be doing some soul-searching tomorrow

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siXy:

nn

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Juski:

i.e. do I really wanna put my name to a distro I can't even trust anymore?

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Juski:

anyway.. I'm orf

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stuarta:

l8r

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toma:

my image freezes and my sound is accelarating during playback

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jduggan:

can someone help me get my external channel changer please :(.. mine works from the command line but in mythtv mythbackend.log prints /usr/local/bin/irsend: not enough arguments, if i hit '101' for example.. but mythtv itself thinks it changed the channel coz i get 101's EPG info

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janneg:

yeah, I'm insane. I have 7 simultaneous running frontends, only the audio is a little bit disturbing.

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** stuarta laughs at janne **

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Sebulba02:

ouch

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aarcane:

is mythtv suitable for a media PC with no recording capability, no mouse or mouse emulator, no keyboard, which provides music, games, and movies?

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dtm:

aarcane: yes

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czth_:

one_black_eye: you can run mysql and manually edit the settings table :)

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stuarta:

aarcane: it can be used for that.

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siXy:

yes, if you are willing to tweak the menus some

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czth_:

(and cards, etc.)

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dtm:

aarcane: if you have a remote control

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BULLE:

aarcane: it works for that aswel,l but the main strength is with its own recording capability i woudl say

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siXy:

itsall done in simple xml files so its easy to make it look how you want

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dtm:

aarcane: and/or joystick

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aarcane:

I have a remote and several controll pads, and am willing to tweak the menus

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czth_:

i recently installed a 2nd tuner card and it works fine for recording 2 channels or watch one record another, but PIP doesn't work – says it can't find a tuner. any ideas?

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siXy:

aarcane: yeah it will do fine for that.

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janneg:

someone suggested to use aiglx and have one frontend of each side of a rotating cube

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dtm:

janneg: what? you have 7 on the same host?

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siXy:

janneg: last time i checked mythtv didnt work with aiglx

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jduggan:

nobody able to help me out with external channel changers? :'( this is annoying me now

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stuarta:

jduggan: sadly i don't use one or i'd help you out...

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siXy:

i havent used one for ages now. sorry.

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jduggan:

mythtv doesnt seem to be sendin the channel number in my script

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janneg:

siXy: I thought Xv works with aiglx

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janneg:

unfortunately I haven't enough resources to make a screen capture

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stuarta:

camera? phone?

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one_black_eye:

what's the best tv card to use with mythtv?

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stuarta:

one_black_eye: one that works

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stuarta:

one_black_eye: are you after dvb-t or what?

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one_black_eye:

good quality, ease of setup

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siXy:

janneg: ymmv. but i would be slightly surprised if it did work, esp with ogl accelerated menus.

[23:01:56]

toma:

my image freezes and my sound is accelarating during playback, this started after some crashes, ,ythcomflag did not help. what can i do?

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stuarta:

satellite? cable? terrestrial?

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one_black_eye:

don't want to mistakenly buy a tv card that only works with winlose

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hjohnson:

hmmm..

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one_black_eye:

cable..

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mirak:

I have set up the PVR150 in the add capture card. then I go to input connection, but when I try to scan for channels for the tuner input it fails.

[23:02:30]

hjohnson:

how to take full motion DV, transcode it down to 128kbps video-conferencing stuff, in real-time..

[23:02:49]

mirak:

what am I doing wrong ? I have set up the driver and the firmware, dmesg doesn't reveal any error

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mirak:

the scan type combo box only have inside "failed to open the card"

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janneg:

stuarta: it was working, but not without frame drops: http://www.grunau.be/insane.avi

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BULLE:

hjohnson: ffmpeg ?

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stuarta:

janneg: that's funny. and quite an achievement.....

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roger55:

what is that new feature: "Added an MPEG1/MPEG2/MPEG4-AVC IP network recorder" about?

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stuarta:

iptv based stb's

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roger55:

stb?

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stuarta:

set top box.

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roger55:

ah thanks.

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stuarta:

basically there are now device out there that can output a tv stream over ip

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stuarta:

translating from whatever broadcast format is used, mainly cable i suspect...

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janneg:

stuarta: it's just enough ram and cpu

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roger55:

is it somehow possible to peel thefull mpeg2 stream tha comes in over the dvb-card? I mean like drop dual-language soundtracks when watching tv?

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stuarta:

roger55: what did you have in mind?

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roger55:

stuarta, I want to be able to watch tv with a frontend connected via 11mbit wirless.

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roger55:

wireless even.

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stuarta:

wish you luck. wireless 'g' is basically the minimum

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roger55:

well it almost works over 11mbit

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stuarta:

where you based?

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roger55:

stuarta, .at

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stuarta:

hmmmm. you could try changing the settings so that live tv only records tv streams

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roger55:

stuarta, how do I do that?

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stuarta:

recording profiles

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jduggan:

if i use this channel change script (which works from the cmd line) http://pastebin.ca/233478 called it change.pl then have a bash script #!/bin/bash /path/to/change.pl $1 & should the change.pl be able to process the channel number from mythtv? because its nto working for me

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roger55:

stuarta, and where do I set it to use that profile?

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** stuarta tries to find the option he's talking about **

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roger55:

stuarta, I guess my problem is that it's a dvb-s card and it usually dumps the mpeg2 stream to disk and doesn't use anything else

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stuarta:

okay, under recording profiles / hardware dvb encoders / 2nd screen you can set it

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** roger55 looks **

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stuarta:

normal = everything, tv only = audio + video streams

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roger55:

thanks I'll try that

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jduggan:

nobody able to answer my question?

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stuarta:

!seen Kelerion

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MythLogBot:

Kelerion was last seen 19 hours 49 minutes 54 seconds ago

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stuarta:

jduggan: ask Kelerion next time he's around...

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GreyFoxx:

One of these days I'll actually install mythbrowser . So far I've never compiled it in :)e 2 – Lost in New York (E) [t1].smc

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GreyFoxx:

stupid cat crawling on my keyboard :)

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GreyFoxx:

made some wacky mix of cut n paste text

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mirak:

am I obliged to select a video source for an input ?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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