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Tuesday, October 31st, 2006, 00:09 UTC

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MikkelRev:

Hi

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MikkelRev:

Im trying to setup mythtv, but no luck

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MikkelRev:

After Video Source Setup, it sais "unable to retrieve channel information for your provider. Please check the terminal window for more information"

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robbins876:

did you setup at labs.zap2it.com, MikkelRev?

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MikkelRev:

then it sais "You must run mythfilldatabase --manual the first time, instead of just mythfilldatabase. Your grabber does not provide channel numbers, so you have to set them manually"

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MikkelRev:

robbins876: ? I typed 'mythtv-setup' to enter the config window

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robbins876:

did you setup an account at that URL?

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MikkelRev:

no

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MikkelRev:

should I ?

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robbins876:

well, I probably should have learned my lesson from earlier... What country are you from?

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MikkelRev:

norway

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robbins876:

hmm... that I know nothing about

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jduggan:

anyone have any experience with external channel changers?

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jduggan:

i can change the channel from the command line.. ive entered teh script name in mythtv-setup as external channel changer command but when i enter channel number '103' for instance, it doesnt change the channel, there's nothing in the terminal window to say why, anyone got any ideas?

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MikkelRev:

I have tried to run 'mythtvfilldatabase --manual' and then rerunning mythtv-setup, but same result each time

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MikkelRev:

Host Address Backend->IP address, is that localhost, my ip on the LAN or the external internet IP?

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MikkelRev:

its set to 127.0.0.1 now

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BULLE:

MikkelRev: it depends on where the backend runs, doesnt it ?

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MikkelRev:

I dont think i understand "backend"

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BULLE:

MikkelRev: if the backend runs on the same machine as the frontend, i would recomend you to configure backend and frontend to use localhost

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BULLE:

MikkelRev: backend is one program, a server if you so like

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BULLE:

MikkelRev: frontend, is the gui stuff you see on your screen, and interact with

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MikkelRev:

ic

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BULLE:

MikkelRev: those two components, does NOT have to run on the same machine

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cornell:

Another question, if I may... I'd recorded several TV shows, and had to rework the machine, swap drives. I copied /myth to another machine, but failed to dump the database. If I copy the saved /myth/tv back to the myth box, will they be incorporated when I go to watch recorded tv, or will they just sit there? I expect that I should be able to view them with any video viewer if I need.

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MikkelRev:

i let both IP address and Master Server IP = 127.0.0.1

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kormoc:

cornell, they will just sit there

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robbins876:

BULLE: You familiar with setting up remote frontends

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robbins876:

?

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kormoc:

cornell, you could use mythvideo to watch them if you wanted

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kormoc:

cornell, but you won't get any metadata

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cornell:

Thanks kormac... mythvideo?

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kormoc:

robbins876, your error is just weird

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kormoc:

cornell, it's a generic video player for myth, it's part of mythplugins

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robbins876:

kormoc: weird it is... I have no idea how to go about fixing it.

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kormoc:

robbins876, you sure the master ip isn't 127.0.0.1?

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kormoc:

in mythtv-setup

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cornell:

kormoc: some functionality in MythTV?

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robbins876:

yes, very sure

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MikkelRev:

how do I start the backend server ?

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D-side:

depends on your distro.

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D-side:

what is it?

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MikkelRev:

ubuntu

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BULLE:

robbins876: are you sure the backend server is upp and running, and that no firewall rules block incomming traffic and so on ?

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D-side:

MikkelRev: so use /etc/init.d/mythbacked start

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D-side:

should start up on boot though if you used the packages.

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robbins876:

BULLE: I the backend is up... I'm sure of that because I'm running a frontend right now and have liveTV going... Also, I've completely disabled my firewall on both machines.

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MikkelRev:

D-side: I havent got MythTV working yet, trying to configure it, but having some problems

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MikkelRev:

while trying to start the backend-server, this errormsg appears: Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Reje cted, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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D-side:

uh

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MikkelRev:

I started it with sudo

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jduggan:

MikkelRev: i get that error all the time, doesnt seem to effect anything

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MikkelRev:

jduggan: well, when I run 'mythtv', it sais: "Could not connect to the master backend server — is it running? Is the IP address set for it in the setup program correct?"

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MikkelRev:

And the answer is that the master ip address is set to 127.0.0.1

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MikkelRev:

with mythtv-setup

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MikkelRev:

Any suggestions to fix my mythtv ?

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MikkelRev:

In mythtv-setup, After Video Source Setup, it sais "unable to retrieve channel information for your provider. Please check the terminal window for more information". Then it sais "You must run mythfilldatabase --manual the first time, instead of just mythfilldatabase. Your grabber does not provide channel numbers, so you have to set them manually"

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PointyPumper:

dang

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BULLE:

MikkelRev: so what does the terminal window say ?

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Honk^away:

and did you try --manual? :P

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MikkelRev:

yes

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MikkelRev:

no change

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MikkelRev:

mythfilldatabase --manual gave me this message: Error in 1:1: unexpected end of file / Updating icons for sourceid: 1 / Updated programs: 0 Unchanged programs: 0 / Failed to fetch some program info

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MikkelRev:

BULLE: when running which command ?

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BULLE:

MikkelRev: when it tells you to "please check the terminal window for more information"

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PointyPumper:

is there any practical way of resizeing an ext3 partition?

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PointyPumper:

any lie cd with parted?

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BULLE:

PointyPumper: depends a bit, on what you mean with practical, and if you used lvm or not

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PointyPumper:

*live

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PointyPumper:

lvm?

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BULLE:

with lvm, its dirt easy

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BULLE:

logical volume management

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PointyPumper:

whats lvm? S:

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PointyPumper:

aaa

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BULLE:

you can resize volumes at runtime then

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PointyPumper:

nah, its a hard partition xD

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BULLE:

then i would recomend a backup of important data, before doing anything else

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PointyPumper:

:/

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PointyPumper:

k

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PointyPumper:

there is a gparted live cd O>o

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PointyPumper:

wow

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MikkelRev:

clear

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MikkelRev:

BULLE: it sais... http://paste.lisp.org/display/28998

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sanmarcos:

PointyPumper: gparted is the shit

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Honk^away:

gparted may work.. or it may trash all of your data

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Honk^away:

=)

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sanmarcos:

ill take my chances

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Honk^away:

moving all data off the partition and back is prolly faster than resizing anyway ;)

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fryfrog:

I like Hiran's BootCD :)

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fryfrog:

erm... at least, the web page about it sounds neat

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sanmarcos:

i downloaded it

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sanmarcos:

but could never try it

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fryfrog:

sucks not having a cd writer :/

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CyberKnet:

fryfrog: ouch

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CyberKnet:

fryfrog: Why do you not have a CD writer at least?

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sanmarcos:

dvd+rw are 30 dollars in newegg

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D-side:

i can't imagine not having a dvd burner in all my machines, much less a cdrw. :)

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Zider:

I've found several cd-writers/readersin the trash around here.. that's how much they're worth ;)

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fryfrog:

no i was making a funny :/

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fryfrog:

about sanmarcos not having one :/

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fryfrog:

i suck at jokes, sorry

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sanmarcos:

D-side: i dont have one

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sanmarcos:

I mean i do, but I need the slot to connect my 4 hds

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sanmarcos:

and its borked anyways

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fryfrog:

oh, zoink!

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fryfrog:

usb?

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fryfrog:

sata? :)

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fryfrog:

another gosh darned computer!

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Zider:

controller card? ;P

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fryfrog:

so many options, my hair is falling out!

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Zider:

*uses fryfrogs bald head as a mirror and shaves*

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** SlicerDicer- pats xris and kormoc on the back :) **

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: you here?

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fryfrog:

new ebuilds needed for some reason?

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Zider:

who's making the ebuilds for mythtv btw?

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SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: I dont know...

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fryfrog:

oh, was wondering why you were seeking him

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fryfrog:

Cardoe afaik

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SlicerDicer-:

mythweb 0.20_p11329 and mythtv 0.20_p11444 are incompatible... it makes it so version 31 is the backend and mythweb is version 26

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SlicerDicer-:

was just going to ask him about it is all

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fryfrog:

do you not have mythweb unmasked?

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SlicerDicer-:

go to packages.gentoo.org and look

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SlicerDicer-:

those are both the latest versions

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

I guess I must have fixed it in the mythweb files

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SlicerDicer-:

;-)

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fryfrog:

was about to try emerge and see the version, but i'm still syncing :)

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Zider:

I wish the ebuild could pull in the (pretty much) needed font(s)..

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robbins876:

someone fix my damn remote front end!

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SlicerDicer-:

anyway thats the problem fryfrog

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SlicerDicer-:

so I was seeking Cardoe like a mongoose seeks the snake ;-)

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SlicerDicer-:

just not so violently LOL!!

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fryfrog:

BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroom MUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadger SnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaakeOHASnaaaaaaaaaaaaake

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robbins876:

wtf?

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fryfrog:

http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/

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Zider:

http://download.slayradio.org/ultimate_scene_collaboration.mpg – IRL version ;)

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SlicerDicer-:

badgers arse check it out fryfrog

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SlicerDicer-:

wow fryfrog thats dumb

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fryfrog:

you know you like it, and now its stuck in your head :)

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SlicerDicer-:

is it on a loop or something?

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fryfrog:

i think so :)

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fryfrog:

how many times have you watched it? :)

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Zider:

fryfrog: happy tree friends music stucks more on the head imo :)

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SlicerDicer-:

dunno

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SlicerDicer-:

too many?

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fryfrog:

oh?

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fryfrog:

how many snakes did you see?

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SlicerDicer-:

8?

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fryfrog:

one snake / loop

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fryfrog:

ahahhahah

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Cardoe:

SlicerDicer: yo?

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: issue with mythweb ebuild....

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SlicerDicer-:

mythweb 0.20_p11329 and mythtv 0.20_p11444 are incompatible... it makes it so version 31 is the backend and mythweb is version 26

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Cardoe:

no

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SlicerDicer-:

?

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Cardoe:

11329 = 31

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czth:

is there an equivalent to dvdid.xml for myth? or some way to look up DVDs by CRC online?

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Cardoe:

mythweb-0.20 with no patch = 30

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Cardoe:

26 = mythweb 0.19

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SlicerDicer-:

Latest version available: 0.20_p11329

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SlicerDicer-:

Latest version installed: 0.20_p11329

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SlicerDicer-:

error string: Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=26, backend=31)

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SlicerDicer-:

strange...

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fryfrog:

SlicerDicer-: are you using "vhosts" useflag?

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** Sebulba02 has nightmares about badgers now **

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fryfrog:

perhaps your webapp-config didn't install latest?

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SlicerDicer-:

hmm

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SlicerDicer-:

will look

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SlicerDicer-:

doh ok

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fryfrog:

that it?

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CyberKnet:

fryfrog: ha. I totally missed the joke in the cd-writer bit sorry :|

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fryfrog:

its okay, most of my jokes fall flat

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fryfrog:

splat

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fryfrog:

i'm a sysadmin, not a comedian :p

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SlicerDicer-:

will find out shortly

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CyberKnet:

heh. if i was $$$ I would have mailed you one if you coveered shipping ;)

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fryfrog:

ahahha

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fryfrog:

I got a SATA Plextor DVD writer with like 8mb cache :)

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CyberKnet:

:P

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** CyberKnet needs to get an external SATA enclosure **

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MikkelRev:

Can anyone help me with configuring MythTV ?

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fryfrog:

probably :)

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mishehu:

MikkelRev: I recommend asking the specific questions that you need answers to

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mishehu:

might be a bit easier for folks here

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CyberKnet:

hah

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MikkelRev:

when running 'mythtv', I get the errormsg before it quits: Could not connect to the master backend server

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fryfrog:

MikkelRev: Describe your setup

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MikkelRev:

In mythtv-setup ?

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fryfrog:

no

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fryfrog:

i mean, do you have a single be/fe system?

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MikkelRev:

yes, i think so

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fryfrog:

a master be, 2 slave be's and 3 remote fes, etc?

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fryfrog:

Did you run mythtv-setup, then start the master backend?

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MikkelRev:

one computer for all

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MikkelRev:

when I try to start 'mythtv-backend start', it sais: Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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fryfrog:

uh

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fryfrog:

that doesn't sound like a myth be error to me?

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fryfrog:

what distro?

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MikkelRev:

ubuntu

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MikkelRev:

i started it with mythtv-backend with sudo

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fryfrog:

I don't recall how Ubuntu does service starts, but I imagine "sudo /etc/init.d/mythtbackend start" would be the way to go

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fryfrog:

of course, you'll need to figure out if "mythbackend" is really the name

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sanmarcos:

fryfrog: if you install sysvconfig you can do service name switch

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sanmarcos:

and yes it is mythbackend

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fryfrog:

in RH / FC it'd be "service mythbackend start" and in gentoo it *is* /etc/init.d/mythbackend

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sanmarcos:

by default its all set up

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sanmarcos:

cron.daily to to the myth fill databse

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fryfrog:

ah

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sanmarcos:

pgrep mythback -l should tell you

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sanmarcos:

and it logs to /var/log/myth/

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fryfrog:

i should setup a myth on my buntu :(

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sanmarcos:

me too

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sanmarcos:

is it possible to have the tv tuner on the backend and watch tv from a remote frontend ? say through gigabit ehternet?

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fryfrog:

you could do SD over 10mbit :)

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MikkelRev:

fryfrog: yes, "sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start"

[01:48:25]

fryfrog:

hd over 100mbit is easy

[01:48:31]

fryfrog:

and over gige, it'd be zomg easy :)

[01:48:44]

MikkelRev:

fryfrog: and it results in the errormessage i mentioned

[01:48:51]

fryfrog:

I have 2x air2pc HD tuner cards in one be, and firewire hooked up to a slave be

[01:48:52]

sanmarcos:

also, can the pchdtv card receive SD, ie if I plug a normal sd line into it, would I get sd?

[01:48:56]

fryfrog:

er, 2 of them

[01:50:19]

artos:

sanmarcos, I believe both the 3000 and 5500 can decode NTSC

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Zider:

...NTSC?

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sanmarcos:

bah I should have both an HD card instead of the hauppage

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Zider:

who said anything about ntsc?

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MikkelRev:

fryfrog: Should I start mythtv-backend before running mythtv-setup ?

[01:51:28]

sanmarcos:

MikkelRev: no

[01:51:37]

MikkelRev:

ok

[01:51:43]

sanmarcos:

make sure its off

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MikkelRev:

In mythtv-setup, After Video Source Setup, it sais "unable to retrieve channel information for your provider. Please check the terminal window for more information". Then it sais "You must run mythfilldatabase --manual the first time, instead of just mythfilldatabase. Your grabber does not provide channel numbers, so you have to set them manually"

[01:52:58]

sanmarcos:

do what is says brother, what country are you in?

[01:53:07]

MikkelRev:

in Norway

[01:53:44]

sanmarcos:

are there polar bears walking on the street?

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MikkelRev:

I tried running "mythfilldatabase --manual", that gives me another errmsg: Error in 1:1: unexpected end of file / Updating icons for sourceid: 1 / Updated programs: 0 Unchanged programs: 0 / Failed to fetch some program info

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MikkelRev:

sanmarcos: you will be disappointed :p

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Zider:

http://global.aopen.com.tw/Products/Images/mb . . . 030516-B.jpg – talk about compact mb :P

[02:06:11]

Zider:

would probably be pretty sweet for a mediacenter if it wasn't for the price :P

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MikkelRev:

any suggestions?

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How do i start mythtv for the first time?

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zenv:

Is there a way to set mythvideo to point to a usb hard disk that may not be there all the time?

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** Captain_Murdoch debates whether to rattle Murrell's cage anymore on the memory issue. **

[03:01:13]

BLuni:

I seem to have come upon a problem with installing myth. I've run the myth-setup script, performed filldatabase (with the only errors being that the backend wasn't running, which it wasn't yet), then start the backend, then start the frontend, but the frontend complain the backend isn't available. "ps ax" shows mythbackend is actually running. I cannot telnet into port 6543 of my server either. I'm running the latest gentoo

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spiderworm:

hi, i had to manually adjust my clock for daylight savings today because i had the timezone wrong and i did it, and it caused some mythtv problems

[03:03:20]

spiderworm:

it showed that it recorded all of tonights shows already, but of course, there was nothing in them

[03:03:36]

spiderworm:

i deleted each show and told it to re-record them

[03:03:46]

spiderworm:

but on the upcoming recordings list, its not showing any of them still

[03:03:52]

spiderworm:

how can i bypass this??!

[03:04:06]

Captain_Murdoch:

spiderworm: do they show up in the guide at the right times?

[03:04:14]

spiderworm:

Captain_Murdoch: yes

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Captain_Murdoch:

Bluni, look in the backend logs and see if you see any errors/warnings.

[03:04:34]

spiderworm:

Captain_Murdoch: it shows all of the shows as "recorded" and doesnt say that it will record them

[03:04:49]

BLuni:

Captain_Murdoch: it reports "Starting up as the master server." :-/

[03:04:57]

Captain_Murdoch:

spiderworm: look on the previous recordings page and I think you can delete the history from there, or you can insert an override for the new recordings.

[03:05:08]

Captain_Murdoch:

Bluni, that can't be all it says.

[03:05:15]

spiderworm:

Captain_Murdoch: i saw that option... what does inserting an override do?

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Captain_Murdoch:

spiderworm: tells the scheduler to record ( or not record) a specific episode.

[03:05:59]

Captain_Murdoch:

BLuni: maybe try running mythbackend from the command line with "mythbackend -v all" to see if it gives any more information than you see in the logs already.

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spiderworm:

Captain_Murdoch: when i add an override it still doesnt change the status to "will record"

[03:06:23]

BLuni:

Captain_Murdoch: ps ax says this was the run line: "/usr/bin/mythbackend --verbose none --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log" and I just deleted that file, restarted the backend service and retried mythfronted and that's all it said. Does that verbosity setting really affect that much?

[03:06:48]

Sebulba02:

um, yeah

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Captain_Murdoch:

--verbose none turns off all messages, so yeah

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Captain_Murdoch:

not a lot of helpful info in that log then. :)

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BLuni:

Captain_Murdoch: .... *sigh* :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

so run it from the command line like I said and you'll get more useful info.

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Joffray:

is there a way to use both EIT and xmltv guide data

[03:08:31]

Joffray:

like, certain channels for EIT and others use xmltv

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** Captain_Murdoch doesn't know, maybe for different sources. **

[03:08:43]

Joffray:

hmmm

[03:09:47]

Joffray:

yea you can for different sources

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livingtm:

how do you delete a channel from channel options?

[03:10:45]

Joffray:

in mythtv-setup?

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livingtm:

ye

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Joffray:

press d once it's highlighted

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livingtm:

s

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Joffray:

it will prompt you

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livingtm:

gotcha thanks :-) i tried the delete keyt... that didnt doit hehe..

[03:11:30]

Joffray:

:)

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livingtm:

wheres the setting to turn the mouse cursor on .. i saw it once and cant find it again

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Joffray:

should be under general

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spiderworm:

Captain_Murdoch: thanks for your help, you pointed me in the right direction :)

[03:13:01]

spiderworm:

Captain_Murdoch: got it all fixed up now

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livingtm:

Joffray, hm, dont see it there

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** Joffray shrugs **

[03:13:51]

Joffray:

look on the wiki

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Captain_Murdoch:

yw

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BLuni:

Captain_Murdoch: "MainServer: HandleRemoteEncoder(cmd GET_STATE) Unknown encoder: 1, exiting" seems to be indication of problems, pastebin is going sloooow

[03:18:17]

BLuni:

Captain_Murdoch: http://attachr.com/3708

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Captain_Murdoch:

Bluni, sounds like you didn't set your tuners up right. use pastebin.ca, it's quicker

[03:23:31]

Captain_Murdoch:

paste the whole log.

[03:24:00]

BLuni:

Captain_Murdoch: pastebin.ca wasn't responding for a long time, i'll post a full log

[03:24:21]

BLuni:

Captain_Murdoch: although it was probably my DSL

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Joffray:

http://paste.uni.cc/

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livingtm:

http://whiteboy

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livingtm:

damn wrong keyboard

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cesman:

hello hello

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BLuni:

Captain_Murdoch: http://pastebin.ca/230124 i started the frontend at 21:27:20 and just went straight to check the status of the backend

[03:31:58]

livingtm:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1757 <-- is this patch in .20? i dont knwo how to read this page

[03:33:06]

Captain_Murdoch:

livingtm: since it was committed 5 months ago, I'd say yes.

[03:33:22]

livingtm:

didnt know when .20 was released

[03:33:35]

livingtm:

thx

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Captain_Murdoch:

only a couple months ago at the most.

[03:33:44]

Captain_Murdoch:

can't recall exacly, I don't use releases. :)

[03:35:32]

livingtm:

wow something just hosed my linux box so bad i cant even ssh into it

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SlicerDicer-:

cool

[03:36:11]

SlicerDicer-:

havent done that since I tossed my 32bit chroot ontop of my 64bit main libs by mistake ;-)

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BLuni:

Captain_Murdoch: i figured out the problem, thank you for your time, it works! :)

[03:43:29]

Captain_Murdoch:

great.

[03:44:14]

Captain_Murdoch:

dir you figure it out or see the message in the log?

[03:44:20]

Captain_Murdoch:

s/dir/did/

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BLuni:

Captain_Murdoch: no, you said that i didn't set up the tuner properly, and it turns out in my retries and deleting of config files my channel listing was blank, so i did that again and it worked, now to install mythweb for some remote show recording awesomeness :)

[03:45:41]

msomers:

trying to install MythTV on ubuntu 6.10 as a very green linux user, and i've run into a problem using these instructions (http://www.parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php). It seems like apache and php were never setup, because one of my error messages reads "No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP. Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page of the general settings."

[03:46:22]

msomers:

Oh, and I should say that typing in "localhost" or "127.0.0.1" in my browser does nothing

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livingtm:

did you set up mysql?

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msomers:

i guess not, it's not on the instructions...I did run a command that reads "sudo apt-get install mysql-server" as per the instructions, but that was it, i assume i had to do something else with that, but the site didn't say anything else about it

[03:56:29]

livingtm:

theres some security stuff to setup there... setting up the root user and such

[03:58:15]

livingtm:

man im having trouble getting my convertx box to work wiht mythtv

[03:58:23]

livingtm:

runs fine with other apps

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livingtm:

mythsetup finds the device ok

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** xris chuckles at compiz **

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xris:

silly little app

[04:04:06]

livingtm:

xris, but man is the expose feature handy

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xris:

livingtm: only if it worked properly and didn't swap the order of background windows around

[04:04:52]

livingtm:

xris, hmm, i hadnt noticed that

[04:05:01]

xris:

trying to get both the gaim chat window and the buddy list visible at the same time shouldn't be this hard. heh

[04:05:15]

msomers:

how do you do that?

[04:05:16]

msomers:

sorry, my Internet flaked out, did you ever answer my question livingtm or anyone else?

[04:05:16]

msomers:

livingtm – you had said I needed to do "some security stuff to setup, setting up the root user and such" how do I do that?

[04:05:33]

xris:

it's cute, but far from usable for me

[04:06:53]

livingtm:

msomers, hmm, that was like 10 issues ago for me.. its hard to remember back.

[04:07:11]

livingtm:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html

[04:07:20]

livingtm:

theres some stuff about modifying access to mysql

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[04:08:07]

livingtm:

damn i can NOT get this convertx to work. anyone out there have one working with myth?

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msomers:

livingtm – i'm running ubuntu, the link doesn't address that distro

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livingtm:

so am i. the modifying access to mysql section still applies

[04:10:43]

livingtm:

in fact if you dont have mysql installed first in ubuntu edgy, you can install mythtv but it cant create the database. you can miss that if your not watching closely

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msomers:

yeah, i noticed that it wasn't able to create the databasese

[04:11:35]

msomers:

so on the instructions, which distro should i follow?

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livingtm:

first sudo apt-get install mysql

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livingtm:

then reinstall myth

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minthome:

I just found myself a 3dfx 3500 in my basement. anyone know anything about it?

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msomers:

i'm in the mythtv user, and it gave me this error: Package mysql is not available, but is referred to by another package.

[04:13:54]

msomers:

This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or

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msomers:

is only available from another source

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msomers:

E: Package mysql has no installation candidate

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livingtm:

trsudo apt-get install mysql-server

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livingtm:

thats try sudo

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msomers:

see, it's already the newest version

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msomers:

nothing was upgraded

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msomers:

because i ran that command before installing myth

[04:15:26]

msomers:

should i try to reinstall anyways?

[04:15:27]

livingtm:

ok good

[04:15:40]

msomers:

now what?

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livingtm:

well, try the stuff in that link i sent you. that should grant access to the myth user

[04:15:57]

msomers:

which distro should i follow instructions for?

[04:16:19]

livingtm:

at the very bottom "modifying access to the mysql dtabase"

[04:16:27]

msomers:

ok

[04:16:32]

msomers:

i'll give that a shot

[04:16:54]

msomers:

hmm...look what happened on the first step:

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msomers:

$ mysql -u root mythconverg

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msomers:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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livingtm:

he yeah just above where i told you to start is "set password for root user" :-)

[04:18:16]

livingtm:

or add -p to the end of that line so it asks you for a password

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msomers:

ok

[04:18:35]

livingtm:

you still may need to set the pasword though

[04:18:54]

msomers:

seems like it worked, i'm in the mysql prompt now

[04:18:59]

livingtm:

perfect

[04:20:20]

msomers:

does it matter if i install mythtv from within the mythtv user, or if the mythtv user already exists?

[04:20:39]

livingtm:

installing mythtv creates the user

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msomers:

i know, but is it a problem if i just install it from being logged into the mythtv user?

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livingtm:

and since you "sudo apt-get install" your isnstalling as root

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livingtm:

in other words, you should be good

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msomers:

ok

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livingtm:

sudo= super user do

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msomers:

one thing though

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msomers:

even after i configured access to the database

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msomers:

i type in localhost and it doesn't work

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livingtm:

where are you typing in localhost

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msomers:

firefox

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livingtm:

yeah thats fine

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msomers:

127.0.0.1 also doesn't work

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msomers:

ok

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livingtm:

firefox looks for web servers

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livingtm:

which myth is not

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livingtm:

and mysql is not

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msomers:

ah, alright

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livingtm:

so stop the mythtv backend like this "sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop"

[04:24:12]

livingtm:

then run the setup program "sudo mythtv-setup"

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livingtm:

make sure the general settings point to localhost or 127.0.0.1

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msomers:

so under IP address for mydesktop: I should enter 127.0.0.1?

[04:25:31]

msomers:

on the general settings

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livingtm:

right

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msomers:

ok

[04:25:43]

livingtm:

if the backend will be running on that machine

[04:25:52]

msomers:

yes, back and frontends will be running on this machine

[04:25:58]

livingtm:

ok cool

[04:26:29]

msomers:

okay, so now i guess everything is setup in terms of capture cards and such

[04:26:38]

msomers:

should i get out of the setup and populate the database?

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livingtm:

so when youve got those settings the way you want them, go setup your capture card and all that..

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livingtm:

when you exit all those config settings will be stored to the db

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msomers:

ok

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msomers:

before it exits, it tells me to run 'etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend' as root to populate the database with channel info, should i go ahead and do that?

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livingtm:

yeah althoguh i think all that does is update the database with tv listings

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msomers:

yeah

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livingtm:

whcih you dont really need yet

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msomers:

ah, ok

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livingtm:

then start the backend again

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minthome:

uhhhh.... this might sound like a dumb question, but..

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minthome:

did AGP flip at some time?

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msomers:

done, and no errors in the backend log

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livingtm:

okay.. setup the frontend

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livingtm:

not sure what you mean by agp flip

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minthome:

like you know how the agp slot is like 41pins then 21 pins

[04:31:22]

minthome:

is get that slip just like pci and isa had

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msomers:

OH MY GOSH, IT WORKS! except it looks like i have an issue with my cable connection though

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minthome:

*it has

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msomers:

i have been racking my brain for weeks and weeks to get this to work

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minthome:

congrats msomers

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msomers:

you have no idea how helpful you've been livingtm :)

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minthome:

livingtm, do you know what i'm talking about

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livingtm:

msomers, man, ive been sweating this shit for days myself, just glad to help :-)

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msomers:

thanks so much =)

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msomers:

now i need to deal with my fucking cable company :-P

[04:32:23]

livingtm:

do you know how to get my hardward to work? :-)

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msomers:

haha, i wish...i am a complete linux newbie

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minthome:

http://twojepc.pl/html/pci_express_kontakt/agp-vs-pci_2.jpg <-- 41 x 21

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livingtm:

i want a frontend that will run on my Nokia 770 :-)

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msomers:

hahaha

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msomers:

do they have a frontend for the mac?

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livingtm:

beleive so, havent played with the wifes mac yet

[04:33:31]

minthome:

frontend for mac sucks

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minthome:

better off installing a ppc linux

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livingtm:

i have my sons machine on the other side of the house playing live and records from my server in the basement though

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livingtm:

minthome, isnt that always true?

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livingtm:

one more time – "CAN ANYONE HELP WITH MY CONVERTX?" im going to shoot myself soon.

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livingtm:

im sooooo close but myth wont play it

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msomers:

gah, could it be that i chose the wrong channel lineup on zap2it if i'm just getting static but i test the connection on a normal tv and it works fine

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livingtm:

got ntsc and cable selected?

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msomers:

yup

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livingtm:

and channels set up?

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minthome:

ahh, there's 3 different AGP slots

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minthome:

wtf

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msomers:

that's where i think there might be a problem

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Zider:

minthome: agp didn't "flip" anything that I know of

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livingtm:

and also the correct input.. composite vs tuner

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minthome:

livingtm, no, not really.

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minthome:

Zider, 3 different ports. the card i just found is 21 x 41 pins

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minthome:

not 41 x 21

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Zider:

you mean the notch is in another place?

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minthome:

yeah

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minthome:

friend just told me their were 3 different types of AGP

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Zider:

that's for 3,3V / 5V I think.. and 2x / 4x / 8x AGP

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minthome:

http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_AGP.html

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minthome:

well goddamn

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minthome:

wtf am i supposed to do with this card now?

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Dagmar:

What kind of card did you get?

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livingtm:

"GetEntryAt(-1) failed"

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livingtm:

"EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo"

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livingtm:

WTF?

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minthome:

Dagmar, i found a 3dfx voodoo 3500

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minthome:

think circa 2000 ish

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livingtm:

i have a voodoo2 :-)

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livingtm:

circa 96?

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livingtm:

hehe

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Dagmar:

Junk the fucker

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minthome:

ouch

[04:41:56]

livingtm:

man was THAT the shit back then

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livingtm:

hehe

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but *now* it might as well not even be accellerated

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Dagmar:

It has no GL!

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livingtm:

and its a pass through card

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minthome:

Dagmar, it's got a perfect dual input, FM, and NTSC tuner mpeg2 decoder on board

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livingtm:

3d only

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Dagmar:

Maybe stick it in a firewall that currently has no video card

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minthome:

phillips no less

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minthome:

it's opengl

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Dagmar:

minthome: Well, dust off your copy of WIndows 95 and get to installin'

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Dagmar:

Voodoo 3dfx card?

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Dagmar:

NOpe.

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Dagmar:

Software GL

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minthome:

well

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minthome:

GL still

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minthome:

:P

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Dagmar:

Performance in an MX400 would be better

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minthome:

but for inputs

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** minthome throws it into a wall **

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Zider:

give to me ;)

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minthome:

why? what are you gonna do with it?

[04:45:31]

riddlebox:

hello does anyone have mythfrontend working on an xbox?

[04:45:43]

minthome:

riddlebox, mythxbmc

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minthome:

err

[04:46:02]

minthome:

that was backwards

[04:46:02]

minthome:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/xbmcmythtv/

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Zider:

minthome: I always have a use for (relatively) old hardware

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BLuni:

Is there anyway to fix the TV Listings if they are off by two channels? e.g. espn is 25 but the listings report 27

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livingtm:

whats a "vbi device"

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minthome:

Zider, where are you?

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Zider:

minthome: ..sweden.. :/

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minthome:

Bah! i'm not shipping it over there

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Zider:

drive here with it then ;)

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riddlebox:

minthome, I was just wondering a couple things, like do I have to mod it to just use mythfrontend? and can I use any xbox?

[04:47:05]

Zider:

I'll buy you a beer ;)

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minthome:

however.... i'll personally bring it to you if you buy me a plane ticket and allow me to crash at your place while i hand out in denmark

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Zider:

hehe

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minthome:

riddlebox, all i know is, it has to be a modded xbox

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Zider:

it's probably 6–7 hours drive to denmark from here :)

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minthome:

nice... i'll bring the wimens home

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** minthome awaits plane ticket **

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Zider:

don't want any women dragged to my place

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minthome:

that's ok, i'll keep them tied up in the yard or something

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minthome:

just for a few days ("but dad...") :P

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Zider:

minthome: what yard? :P

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minthome:

i meant the park down the road...

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minthome:

i donno

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minthome:

maybe the roof

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minthome:

:D

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livingtm:

grrrrrrr there arent any more myth setting to change regarding this capture hardware. its got to be a driver issue or something

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Zider:

;)

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minthome:

livingtm, what card?

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Zider:

minthome: expensive card ;)

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livingtm:

its a plextor convertx usb tuner / mpeg encoder

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minthome:

i have a freaking pcHDTV card...

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Dagmar:

Today's Magic Word is: "basement"

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livingtm:

it works fine with their drivers

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minthome:

ouch, USB... help here

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minthome:

err

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livingtm:

and myth supposedly has support for it

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minthome:

what happened to my "no"

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minthome:

*no help here"

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minthome:

define support :P

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livingtm:

i can use other software to capture from it

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minthome:

like, tvtime?

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livingtm:

no, not tvtime

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livingtm:

theres a utility that comes with the driver that works

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minthome:

try tvtime

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livingtm:

myth setup recognizes it, but i cant play it

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minthome:

brb, beer, smoke

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livingtm:

tvtime doesnt let me change frm my other PCI card to this box

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livingtm:

it only connects to my other tuner card (with no mpg compression on it)

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livingtm:

all the docs iv read tell you to test the driver/card, which mine passes. the next stop always tells you how to set it up in myth. but myth fails on me

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PointyPumper:

uhm

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PointyPumper:

anyone has any experience with parted?

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minthome:

back

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minthome:

livingtm, is it v4l or dvb

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livingtm:

uh... no clue

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livingtm:

dvb = divital?

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livingtm:

its not digital

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minthome:

ls /dev/dvb

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livingtm:

nda

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livingtm:

nada

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minthome:

then it's v4l

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livingtm:

oh video for linux.. yes

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minthome:

ls /dev/v4l/

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livingtm:

yes its v4l

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livingtm:

ls /dev/v4l

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livingtm:

wrong keyboard

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minthome:

ok, my card is dvb

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livingtm:

its /dev/video1

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minthome:

what's video0?

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livingtm:

another tuner card taht sucks

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livingtm:

bt878 or whatever

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minthome:

tried stripping it out?

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livingtm:

bu tit works :-)

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minthome:

mmmm tits

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livingtm:

no i didnt actually

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livingtm:

mmm something we'll never get so long as we are busy with mythtv

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minthome:

i'd go from there.. Rule #1 of troubleshooting, consolidate the problem

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Dagmar:

What? no

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Dagmar:

Rule #1 is eliminate the variables

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livingtm:

Rule #1 is have a beer handy

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minthome:

same difference

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Dagmar:

Isolate and analyze

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livingtm:

drink and hypothesize

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minthome:

livingtm, no, that's Rule #1 for Life in General

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Dagmar:

livingrm: Your method tends to result in paying me a lot of money

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minthome:

O_o

[05:03:14]

minthome:

there's money involved?

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Dagmar:

There's money involved when people spend days spanking around a problem and then finally call in a professional. ;)

[05:03:35]

livingtm:

why, do you sell beer?

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livingtm:

Dagmar, ill buy that if the professional can walk me through this problem :-)

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minthome:

speaking of tittes, and it's halloween, http://www.heavenlyhussys.com/

[05:04:23]

minthome:

NSFW obviously

[05:04:31]

minthome:

livingtm, i sell beer

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livingtm:

nice

[05:04:40]

livingtm:

i brew beer

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minthome:

i make beer, so if you wanna pay me for it

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Dagmar:

First rule of me consulting is "gimme the keyboard"

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minthome:

OMG

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minthome:

STFU

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Dagmar:

I had to do that a couple of times this past weekend at Phreaknic

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minthome:

livingtm, AG or Extract?

[05:05:09]

livingtm:

AG

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livingtm:

of course

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minthome:

ah well

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Dagmar:

"Do you want the problem fixed or do you want me to get bored and go back to drinkin?"

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minthome:

as, not ah

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minthome:

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minthome:

livingtm, I do about 5 gallons a week

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livingtm:

I do 10gal batches, but havent in a while.. i have 2 kids now they take my time

[05:06:16]

minthome:

just made an oatmeal brown ale yesterday

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livingtm:

not worth brewing if you dont to allgrain though

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Dagmar:

I'm lazy.

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livingtm:

sooo much better

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minthome:

livingtm, nice, keg kettles?

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livingtm:

yep

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Dagmar:

I mix up fruit cocktails and then just add PGA

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minthome:

livingtm, gotta start somewhere thought

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Dagmar:

Very fast

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livingtm:

do partials

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minthome:

I'm using a 5 gallon cooler as my mash/lauter atm.

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livingtm:

that way you only get HALF the tincan taste

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minthome:

livingtm, nah, AG all the way from here out

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livingtm:

I have a stainless steel pressurepot with a a nice funnel shaped false bottom

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minthome:

except if i make a high og'er

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minthome:

nice, for ferm?

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livingtm:

i just used multiple buckets :-)

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livingtm:

never got fancy with that

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minthome:

i made a Wee Heavy like 2 weeks ago, AG. and it sucked doing 2 mashes and boiling down to get the 1.090 I was looking for

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minthome:

ah

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minthome:

I'm currently drinking an oktoberfest that i'm not so happy with,

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minthome:

better me drink it than my friends if i'm not happy with it

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livingtm:

mmmm i love oktoberfest

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minthome:

RyePA last weekend

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livingtm:

nice variety :-)

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minthome:

livingtm, in the US?

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livingtm:

My favortie was this Red Ale recipe that I helped a guy at a microbrewery make once.. high diacetyl content. very butterscotchy. yummy.

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livingtm:

yep

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minthome:

" high diacetyl content" == ale

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minthome:

<-- South NJ

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minthome:

*sigh*

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minthome:

i've yet to do a true lager or pils.. hoping to do that this winter

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livingtm:

some day ill brew again

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minthome:

you should at least 5 gal a month

[05:13:33]

livingtm:

i cant drink like that anymore :-)

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minthome:

only takes up a wee bit of time

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minthome:

5 gal = 2 cases, give your mates a case and you have a case for a whole month

[05:14:17]

minthome:

<1 beer a day

[05:14:24]

** minthome nudges livingtm **

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livingtm:

if this box would work i could watch beer brewing on tv....

[05:14:37]

minthome:

</bad influence>

[05:14:43]

minthome:

</off topic>

[05:14:52]

minthome:

good point

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livingtm:

beer is never off topic

[05:15:08]

livingtm:

Have you had Shipyard Pumpkinhead? (speaking of seasonals)

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minthome:

yes, but brewing is..

[05:15:24]

minthome:

nope, where's shipyard?

[05:15:35]

livingtm:

northeast somewhere.. maine?

[05:15:41]

minthome:

i got a pumpkin i'm having a problem bottle conditioning

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livingtm:

you can get it at a good beverage center

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minthome:

I'll check it out if it's not outta season already

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livingtm:

yeah its fantastic IMO

[05:16:13]

minthome:

not the same brewery that does that blueberry ale is it?

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livingtm:

dunno

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minthome:

outta maine

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minthome:

no, thats' Bar Harbor

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minthome:

http://www.atlanticbrewing.com/jpg/blueale.jpg

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livingtm:

http://www.shipyard.com/

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minthome:

I'll look for it

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minthome:

well, anyway, i wish you luck on your v4l device

[05:19:54]

livingtm:

heh thanks.. ill be around until it works :-)

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minthome:

still try and remove the other card

[05:20:10]

minthome:

i'll be aroundish..

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charlieS:

mythweb is sooo much faster, now that it isn't displaying 1000 channels of crap sports crapity crap crap.

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minthome:

anyone awake using an HDTV card?

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rtsai:

sure

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minthome:

sure you are?

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livingtm:

okay pulled the other card out... moment of truth

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minthome:

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livingtm:

uh

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livingtm:

backend server crashed... nice

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minthome:

wtf

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livingtm:

WTF

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livingtm:

damn

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minthome:

what if i don't want 13GB of mame roms

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defaultro:

good evening folks. Are there HD-DVD drives now for PCs?

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siXy:

yes

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siXy:

but they are not cheap

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charlieS:

< 1K?

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defaultro:

ok

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siXy:

depends on currency.

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defaultro:

can you please post me a link to it?

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defaultro:

what about software, what do you need to play those HD-DVD movies? Can mplayer play it?

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livingtm:

Card 0 (type) is set to start on channel 1

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livingtm:

what the heck does that mean? nothing is set to channel 1

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siXy:

defaultro: google will find them for you. but i wouldnt expect to be able to play hd-dvd films in linux just yet

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siXy:

livingtm: it means just that. if you want it to start on a different channel then change it.

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defaultro:

k

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livingtm:

siXy, But what im saying is that the settings for starting channels are NOT 1

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livingtm:

butits complaining anyhow

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siXy:

well if nothing is se to channel 1 then it cant start there can it, so change it to start on a channel that exists

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defaultro:

oh off topic question, what utility can I use that will display a jpeg and will just quit if I hit ctrl-c or other keys?

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livingtm:

its set to start at channel 2, i just double checked... but its still bitching

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charlieS:

defaultro: display

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defaultro:

ah, I didn't know that. Thanks. I will try it now

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charlieS:

or xv ..

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siXy:

livingtm: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual:Index

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siXy:

should be in there

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defaultro:

does display know about the resolution of the jpeg file?

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charlieS:

not until you open the file..

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charlieS:

it does accept -size, if that's what you want.

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Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: ping

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Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: can you ping me in #gentoo-mythtv?

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spiderworm:

i compiled mythtv from cvs a few days ago and i've noticed that it is crashing several times a day and i need to restart it.... sometimes causing shows to not record or only record partially

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spiderworm:

is there some way i can figure out what is causing this problem?

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siXy:

use the latest stable not the cvs.

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netw1z:

anyone here compiled o2em successfully?

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RyeBrye2:

What kind of directory structure does MythGallery want?

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RyeBrye2:

I use iPhoto on my OS X machine to manage all of my photos, and I'm probably going to set up a simple script to make symbolic links to a directory that I will share to my Myth machine to use with the image gallery

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livingtm:

when i attemp to change channels, i get "unable to launch appliation"

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minthome:

weird

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minthome:

well, i'm off to sleep, nite all

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dtm:

RyeBrye2: i use iphoto and Gallery <3

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dtm:

RyeBrye2: i publish from iphoto to gallery

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RyeBrye2:

dtm – how do you have it set up?

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RyeBrye:

http://gallery.menalto.com/node?page=2 is that the program you use?

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kimo_sabe:

hmm, good: 480i works with my TV and seems to produce a more stable signal than Composite.. unfortunatly it's dark

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dtm:

RyeBrye: yes sir

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RyeBrye:

dtm: How do you have MythGallery set up to pull the stuff you export? Is it on an nfs share or over http?

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RyeBrye:

hmmm

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** RyeBrye scratches his head... looks at his watch... and realizes he needs to get to bed **

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gnuyen:

Hi guys, my mythtv can't record anymore

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gnuyen:

i keep getting

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gnuyen:

2006-10–30 17:28:31.695 Channel(/dev/video0): SetInputAndFormat() failed

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gnuyen:

2006-10–30 17:28:31.696 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 11. Reverting to kState_None

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gnuyen:

but I can change channels when watching live tv

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RaYmAn-Bx:

maybe livetv and recording uses different profiles and the recording profile got messed up?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

although I don't see why channel changing would fail then..but SetInputAndFormat might fail because of that I'd imagine

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gnuyen:

it seems okay

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gnuyen:

the profile that is

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sri:

greetings

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sri:

I have a question on streaming from backend to frontend over wireless network

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siXy:

sri what, beyond changing ip and port would you like to do?

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sri:

well, I understand you can change what compression of video over the network

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sri:

I think I'm running out of bandwidth

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sri:

because the video and sound keep pausing every 2 seconds or so.

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siXy:

for livetv?

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sri:

yeah

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sri:

well anything really

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siXy:

that would be in the profiles part of the setup

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sri:

I've tried changing the mtu and some other stuff.. but it looks like 1491 or so correct.

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siXy:

but to be honest wireless is a bit unstable for carrying video streams

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sri:

ah, I think I looked there

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minthome:

802.11b i could see being a problem, but not 802.11g

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sri:

yeah I have b

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sri:

perhaps I should just upgrade to g.

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siXy:

you can set the tv card profile to use a lower quality output, thus reducing the tv bandwidth

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minthome:

perhaps

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siXy:

oh. b is not going to work well :)

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sri:

in fact, I'm getting verizon FiOS, so it comes with a free wireless wrouter.

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sri:

siXy: yeah, exactly!

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sri:

this is in myth-setup?

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grndslm:

definitely need g!

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sri:

yeah.. that would make things easier.. that's like rather 54, but you get like 20 Mb/s rightg/

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siXy:

even g you may have trouble at range, as wireless is essentially quite bursty which doesnt mix well with with high-bandwidth streams

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sri:

right now mythtv is workin like a charm, it's pretty sweet

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sri:

nod

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grndslm:

i almost want to buy a new laptop STRICTLY because i want a to play mythtv down by my apt's pool, and wouldn't be able to stand a protruding card....but, it's damn near november, so maybe i should wait until the weather heats up some more

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minthome:

sri, 20MB not 20Mb

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** minthome can't wait til people learn the difference between B and b **

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siXy:

it will never happen :)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I don't get why people insist on using something with such little difference

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minthome:

*sigh

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RaYmAn-Bx:

why not just say Mbit when you mean that

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it's two more letters *shock horror*

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minthome:

bit = 1; Byte = 8

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siXy:

2 x a large number = a huge number

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minthome:

lol, siXy

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grndslm:

i don't get why people insist on correcting people about something when they obviously got what they were trying to communicate

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RaYmAn-Bx:

grndslm: people like to be right

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** minthome throws a netmask/19 at grndslm. "now go figure that out" **

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siXy:

lol

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grndslm:

umm....yea

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sri:

minthome: typo :-)

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minthome:

no worried sri ;)

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minthome:

goddamn ds *worries

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sri:

hehe

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RaYmAn-Bx:

minthome: no one could possibly workout what you want them to do though =P

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minthome:

RaYmAn-Bx, it could... you'd just have to round down for the additional fraction of an ip

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minthome:

mathmatically speaking of course

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Now you're just speaking crap :P

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minthome:

probally

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** minthome blames the john powers **

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minthome:

ok, nite for real kids

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minthome:

tata

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RaYmAn-Bx:

iirc it's 255.255.224.0 or something like that, but I probably remember wrong

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RaYmAn-Bx:

=P

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minthome:

RaYmAn-Bx, heh, nice...

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minthome:

but no

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minthome:

bite

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minthome:

ite even

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siXy:

224 yeah.

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minthome:

f i

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minthome:

t

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** minthome sits in the duncedrunk corner for 2 days. :( **

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** siXy sends minthome back to #ubuntu **

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minthome:

#arch

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minthome:

RaYmAn-Bx, was right... *sigh*

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RaYmAn-Bx:

minthome: :P

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** minthome hears Radiohead – Lewis **

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minthome:

;)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I didn't completely just throw out a random number =P

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minthome:

but i did :D

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minthome:

'ave a good nite.... for real this time.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

speaking of netmask. The new isp doesn't want to give us a /23 :( Only a /24

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siXy:

nn :)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

bastards

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I better get to work as well

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kraut:

moin

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PointyPumper:

uhm

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PointyPumper:

got a lil question

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PointyPumper:

bout debian actualy xD

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siXy:

PointyPumper: there are debian irc channs... :)

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PointyPumper:

yeap i'm on it

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PointyPumper:

but nobody likes me xD

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PointyPumper:

but

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PointyPumper:

i think i've already resolved it -_-

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mcquaid:

I have mythtv set up and running on one box, and I'd now like to setup another box just as a front end but also allow the original box to still use the frontend

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mcquaid:

I don't see this covered in the docs, is there a good guide on this?

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PointyPumper:

u must set up the front end on the new box with the right optione (host of the backend, mysql db, etc...)

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PointyPumper:

and nothing more i think

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PointyPumper:

:S

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dorel__:

when im opening 'listen to music' im getting a whole lot of errors: 2006-10–31 09:57:58.330 AO: AddSamples FAILED bytes=2048, used=765953, free=2047, timecode=-1

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dorel__:

kind of weird since i remember music was working for me before

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dorel__:

oh nm, i see it now. it won't open /dev/adsp which isnt found

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dorel__:

yep, works fine.

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bazz:

trying to get my remote working. sees fine in the mythtv main screens, but when i play a video (mythvideo) using mplayer, none of the keys i defined in my lircrc file seem to work. (i've got lines with prog = mplayer and the subsequent config) any help?

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PointyPumper:

anybody in here?

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PointyPumper:

how does transcoders work?

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quicksil1er:

how do they work?

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quicksil1er:

in what sense?

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quicksil1er:

they decode the compressed data into frames

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quicksil1er:

then they re-encode them

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quicksil1er:

which is bloody slow :)

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siXy:

depending, of course, on your hardware

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PointyPumper:

but

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PointyPumper:

hjow do i make it automagically work? xD

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PointyPumper:

i want (from mythweb) to enable trnascode

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PointyPumper:

i've enabled it :/

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PointyPumper:

but nothing is happening

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ivor:

oh crud.

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ivor:

{ DriveReady SeekComplete Error }

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dtm:

ivor: :-[

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Juski:

whoops

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ivor:

error=0x40 {UncorrectableError}

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Merlin83b:

:<

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Juski:

morning ivor :)

[09:36:28]

ivor:

fudge.

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dtm:

:-o

[09:36:32]

Juski:

time for a new hdd

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dtm:

ivor: is the hard drive in warranty?

[09:36:40]

ivor:

time for a new laptop

[09:37:11]

ivor:

this is the fourth drive I've got through.

[09:37:19]

dtm:

time to learn how to treat a laptop

[09:37:22]

Juski:

just finished counting up how many hdds are in my cupboards at work.. over 15TB

[09:37:23]

dtm:

;)

[09:37:38]

ivor:

dtm: it gets constant heavy use.

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dtm:

ivor: like i said, to tell the difference between use and abuse

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** Juski recommends endurastar **

[09:38:01]

ivor:

I think it's not bad going for 7 years heavy use

[09:38:27]

dtm:

maybe not too bad but you're probably jerking them around

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Juski:

I think you've got more than you could have realistically expected then ;-)

[09:38:59]

ivor:

indeed. I think laptop hard drives aren't intended for constant heavy use.

[09:39:30]

dtm:

ivor: are you saying that you only have the hard drive powered up when it's totally stationary?

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Juski:

they're rated for a duty cycle lower than desktop drives, which is circa 20%, so lower than 20% ;-)

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ivor:

dtm: well off course not... what do you think I am? a complete anal retentive crackpot? :)

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** Juski chuckles **

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dtm:

:-.

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ivor:

anyway.... how can you have it turned off if you're "war-cycling" ?

[09:41:08]

dtm:

!!!

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dtm:

well, you just do.

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dtm:

but. i guess if you don't *want* to do what it takes to shut it off, then ok.

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siXy:

war-CYCLING? hehe

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Merlin83b:

Environmentally friendly hacking!

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Juski:

like wardriving only more eco-friendly. I like it

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dtm:

just can't go around sayin it's just "use" when someone's asking whether you abused it or not

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ivor:

siXy: indeeedey. you run kismet with audio alerts, with a set of headphones out of your backpack.

[09:42:53]

ivor:

dtm I do believe I said... very heavy use.

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dtm:

and people can't be talkin about lower duty cycles, when the truth is as such

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dtm:

ivor: and i said, if you think that's heavy use, then you can't differentiate between use and abuse.

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dtm:

i know what you said. i was there!

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Juski:

7 years is good life for a HDD, abuse or no abuse

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dtm:

lol.

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dtm:

yeah it theoretically would be, if a person didn't intentionally destroy 4 of em in that timeperiod ^_^

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Juski:

laugh if you like, but anything past 5 years is surprising these days.

[09:45:02]

Juski:

oh yeah I forgot about that

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dtm:

yeah.

[09:45:12]

Juski:

it's ivor's perogative though

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ivor:

dtm: the first one was DOA. the second died after an overnight compile run.

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dtm:

:-o

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dtm:

well at least you had warranty capability on those

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ivor:

the third lasted about two years. hence this is the fourth.

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dtm:

i've never had a hard drive fail within warranty

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dtm:

you'd think they'd have the decency to do so!

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siXy:

ive had several seagates fail within warrenty

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Juski:

only hdd I've ever had fail was a deathstar 80XP

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siXy:

ewww i forgot about those :/

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ivor:

I've had a handful of "in-warranty" failures. but dtm will probably say it's because I abused them.

[09:46:36]

Juski:

not that any hdd of mine will ever get a long service award.. they always get swapped out when I upgrade, then I hand em down

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ivor:

god deskstars were awful drives.

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Juski:

they're pretty good now.. I just wish they'd ditched the name of the range

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Juski:

whenever I get one to approve I still shudder

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Juski:

big pity is, in my job I'm not given time to do any long-term testing. so how the hell I'm supposed to be able to properly qualify a HDD is beyond my reckoning

[09:48:18]

Juski:

"well, for the 2 hours' testing it had, I saw no problems"

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siXy:

try using it while on a pogo stick?

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Merlin83b:

Now go and put it in a bus for a few years.

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PointyPumper:

uhm

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PointyPumper:

how is the mythtv working on vmware?

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PointyPumper:

*frontend

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Juski:

I guess the big issue for us is whether or not the hdd works at all in our boxes

[09:49:15]

Juski:

reliability is for the lawyers to argue about ;-)

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mcquaid:

does mythtv's editing only work on recordings or could I edit something i have in myth video?

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Juski:

mcquaid: only on recordings AFAIK

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siXy:

PointyPumper: mythtv really likes having dri. as far as i know dri doesnt work on vmware/xen

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mcquaid:

k thx

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dtm:

Juski: you're supposed to run cerberus on it (http://sf.net/projects/va-ctcs) for at least 24 hours is what you're supposed to do

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siXy:

it will run, but not nesecarily very smoothly

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dtm:

Juski: and then to not have any one single point of failure

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dtm:

Juski: :)

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dtm:

Juski: 8 hours will do in a pinch

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PointyPumper:

what is dri? :/

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ivor:

direct rendering infrastructure.

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PointyPumper:

why isnt there a frontend for windows? :/

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PointyPumper:

some thing that comes in the video cards?

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PointyPumper:

(i imagine) xD

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siXy:

PointyPumper: there is no frontend for windows because the SoC students prefer beer to coding.

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ivor:

don't we all?

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dtm:

PointyPumper: because you didn't write one

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PointyPumper:

:(

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siXy:

yeah i have to say i cant fault them on that

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ivor:

because it's tuesday

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PointyPumper:

well

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PointyPumper:

then i'll have to use mythweb and vlc xD

[09:54:15]

PointyPumper:

its a pitty that i cant do zapping :(

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dtm:

the children, they all ask me, "dtm, why — oh, why?! — won't PointyPumper write a frontend for windows?"

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ivor:

cos he can't spell?

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dtm:

and i tell them.. "I don't know, children. I just.... don't (dramatic pause)... know."

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PointyPumper:

i'm not a native speaker ivor xD

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PointyPumper:

sory bout my f***ing english -_-

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dtm:

^_^

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ivor:

where's your sense of humour today?

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** dtm goes back to valiantly protecting The Children from The Truth **

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PointyPumper:

drop it 2 days ago, fighting against mythtv xD

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PointyPumper:

now i got it configured and i wanna use it xD

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siXy:

lol dtm :)

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dtm:

lols

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** ivor thinks dtm should be kept well away from The Children **

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ivor:

heh badblocks is 10% through.

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dtm:

ivor: if you run it in write mode, it may trigger bad block remapping in the hardware so you can recover data

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dtm:

if that's what you need

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dtm:

not that you deserve it! ;)

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dtm:

JUST KIDDING <3

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ivor:

dtm: just want to map them out for now, the bad blocks are at the top end of the disk, I know what data was there (a wine build) and I've deleted the files after backing up /home. running in non-destructive read/write at the mo.

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dtm:

hehe yeah that's slow.

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** Juski has just had another 2 HDDs plonked on his desk to evaluate :-| **

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ivor:

any laptop drives?

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Juski:

200GB... pfft

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Juski:

gonna have to pester purchasing to get me some 1TB drives

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siXy:

did know you could get 1tb drives yet

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dtm:

juski: evaluate for what?

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siXy:

*didnt

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siXy:

are they 3.5"?

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Juski:

evaluate for use in the company's DVRs

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dtm:

Juski: oh you mean evaluate as a product line

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Juski:

and yeah Q4 this year Hitachi are bringing out 1TB PATA & SATA drives

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Juski:

a model range will get a fairly intensive (though not as exhaustive as I'd like) rack of tests, then each model within the range gets a cursory work/no work study

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siXy:

well a couple of 1tb drives will make hdtv less problematic

[10:09:17]

Juski:

the bugger for me is, manufacturers change part numbers like there's no tomorrow

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siXy:

i mind it a lot more when they keep the part number and change the product

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Juski:

tends not to happen much in our experience.. not in terms of functionality anyway, or we'd know.. big style

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siXy:

netgear are very guility of it

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Juski:

and Hauppauge ;-)

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siXy:

yeah :(

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ivor:

siXy: ah but why would you need to know. the "product" comes with all the necessary "software and drivers" in the box for you. it's just a "thing" that does "a job" as listed on the back of the packaging.

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** ivor kicks d-link. **

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siXy:

=D

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siXy:

bt the way do any of you know anything about true audiophile quality soundcards?

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** Juski doesn't care about analogue audio **

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Juski:

they can shove their 'HD audio' boards up where the sun doesn't shine

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Juski:

turtle beach always had a good rep. in the 'studio' soundcard world

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siXy:

hd audio cards are rubbish as a rule as the pass a voltage across the sockets to see if anything is plugged in

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Juski:

terratec are similarly rated for fidelity too

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siXy:

sounds horrendous on high-end equipment

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siXy:

looking for somehting to compare this: http://www.auzentech.com/site/products/x-meridian.php to

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Juski:

but when you're using a digital audio output it doesn't matter who makes the card.. all that's happening is bits going through the card

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siXy:

most cards cant do full btrate surroundsound over digital

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siXy:

*bitrate

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Juski:

sure there'll be jitter & so on but if you want _true_ hi-fi wtf are you using digital audio for? ;-)

[10:16:46]

siXy:

some of the most expensive cd players in the world use digital....

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Juski:

lol

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siXy:

hifi is moving towards digital (uncompressed, mind you) audio in a big way

[10:17:47]

Juski:

I'm an analogue purist, but digital offers enough convenience to outweigh how crap it can sound compared to decent analogue kit

[10:18:46]

Juski:

I think the jury is still out on whether there's any audible difference (in mortals) between 48khz & 192khz sampling.. at least as far as I'm concerned

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Juski:

but then I spent a good 15 years of my life damaging my hearing working as a DJ :-P

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siXy:

i find it depends on the recording. newer recorings (and of course dvd-audio) are pretty hard to notice any difference between analogue and digital

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Juski:

happily sitting in the middle ground these days, safe in the knowledge that separates are king, mp3 sucks and true fidelity costs loads of money. I'm not one of those people who believe a shielded power cable will make any difference to the sound of a system though

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dtm:

belief is irrelevant

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dtm:

^_^

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Juski:

I assume you have a $1500 'double-shielded' power cable then ;-)

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siXy:

even high-bitrate vorbis doesnt sound great :( i wish there was more of a middle gorund between flac and vorbis

[10:23:29]

Juski:

here you are, Emperor.. your new clothes :-P

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dtm:

Juski: that's what i just said.

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siXy:

im convinced that unless you have a b&w nautilus system with a krell amp then messing with overpriced powercables i a phenomenal waste of money

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quicksil1er:

I shield my powercables with a patented mixture of tea and cat hair

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quicksil1er:

it improves sound quality 300%

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dtm:

s w e e t

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Merlin83b:

Ooh, write a howto quicksil1er! I must do that!

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Juski:

it's often said that removing the air in a listening room improves the hifi experience for everybody. depriving 'true' hifi journos of oxygen can only be a good thing ;)

[10:27:10]

Merlin83b:

And sound travels so well in a vacuum.

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Juski:

yeah – none of that pesky 'air' to get in the way of the sound :-P

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siXy:

hehe

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Juski:

I'd love to know how someone came up with the idea of gold-plated optical cables. I know this one keeps coming up (I bring it up) but I just find it so funny that people fall for the marketing bollocks

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quicksil1er:

someone once told me that if you plug mismatching metals into sockets (I dunno, steel into a gold socket) then the electropotential different screws everything up and rusts your connectors

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siXy:

thats hilarious

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dtm:

Juski: in my home town there is a company that sells analog turntables for $30,000

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siXy:

ive not heard that one before

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dtm:

just for listening purposes at home

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Juski:

maybe there'd be a market for some kind of device to improve the air's 'sound quality' in a hifi room.. blather on about the compliance of different gas compositions etc,,

[10:34:55]

dtm:

and they sell vinyl records by the crate.

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Juski:

quicksil1er: yeah dissimilar metals.. it's real

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PointyPumper:

did anybody test dsmyth?

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dtm:

to individuals.

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siXy:

dtm: try buying 7 krell monoblocks :)

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quicksil1er:

Juski: I know enough chemistry to know the effect is real, but does it really affect audio equipment?

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dtm:

siXy: you just made that up! what? :)

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Juski:

PointyPumper: dsmyth is a widget thingy for windows that interrogates the database & shows you the recording metadata when you hover over it in when you access it via a network share

[10:36:27]

Juski:

also a directshow filter to play .nuv files

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siXy:

lol. krell are a stupidly expensive hifi mfr, and a monoblock amp is a power amp that just amplifies one channel. so for a 7.1 system you need 7

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Juski:

quicksil1er: in real terms, the effects are small enough as to be negligible IIRC

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siXy:

sounds fantasic, but if you need to ask the price....

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dtm:

siXy: :-----------o

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dtm:

siXy: it really works?

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Juski:

course you need a 7.1 decoder and $10,000 cables to appreciate the difference it can make ;-)

[10:38:00]

siXy:

yeah. you also need a preamp too, and then some painfully pricy speakers

[10:38:09]

dtm:

siXy: so you have to be sensitive enough to be able to read auras and see through time, in order to comprehend the quality

[10:38:26]

Juski:

.. not forgetting being a multi-millionaire

[10:38:38]

siXy:

pretty much, yeah :)

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dtm:

siXy: kind of a preternatural listening ability. maybe it'd make more of a difference in a theater building....?

[10:39:17]

siXy:

not many network admins make it the ranks of multi-millionaires sadly

[10:39:26]

Juski:

and pretty much any oridinary 'house' will affect the listening environment enough to colour the sound, so you'd have to go to great lengths to counteract that

[10:40:01]

dtm:

a theater building completely suspended in an antigravity vacuum sealed chamber

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Juski:

little things like a fly stamping its foot in the next room could seriously affect the overall dynamic range, etc...

[10:40:19]

dtm:

which is calibrated against the tectonic plates

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siXy:

haha

[10:40:24]

dtm:

and the tide

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dtm:

....... in....... space.

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Juski:

and the phase of the moon, neutrinos.. oh god they just ruin it

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dtm:

:-I

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dtm:

you need a cosmic windsock

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quicksil1er:

damn those flies

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quicksil1er:

the flies are the worst

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quicksil1er:

but the neutrinos are pretty bad

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quicksil1er:

and don't get me started on the butterfly in china that keeps flapping its wings

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dtm:

THX...the universe is listening.....

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quicksil1er:

totally fucks up carmina burana, that does

[10:42:33]

dtm:

THX^N ... the universe(s) are recalibrated....

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Juski:

and in quantum hi-fi don't forget anti-positrons

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ivor:

you need a decent twin piano carmina-burana then.

[10:43:10]

siXy:

there comes a point at which its cheapr and easier to to pay the band to come and sing

[10:43:21]

quicksil1er:

that's a good idea

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quicksil1er:

can we integrate that in myth?

[10:43:35]

** ivor coughs... and launches into "O Fortuna" **

[10:43:40]

quicksil1er:

click here and the entire cast of this film will be contracted to come to your living room?

[10:43:51]

ivor:

heh hehe.

[10:43:58]

siXy:

adult dvd sales would go up imo

[10:44:00]

Juski:

theatre on-demand? fucking KILLER app

[10:44:07]

** ivor can think of a couple of potential titles. **

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dtm:

they have these neutrino canceling earphones now

[10:44:13]

Merlin83b:

Speaking of which, cam home from band rehearsal last night to find SWMBO watching livetv on the myth box instead of the old digibox :)

[10:44:17]

dtm:

made out of plasma

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quicksil1er:

Merlin83b: by mistake, or by design?

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ivor:

Merlin83b: lol. you were just jealous she got it working and you couldn't. :D

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Merlin83b:

quicksil1er: She wanted to watch a film that was on while writing her PhD. Apparently we don't get that channel on the old digibox – haven't scanned for channels in a long time.

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Merlin83b:

ivor: Hehe, one of the devs got it working some time ago :)

[10:46:50]

Juski:

SWMBOs need to be able to maintain a HAF

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Juski:

must not criticise mythtv, must not watch too many soaps..

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Merlin83b:

lol

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Merlin83b:

She really like MythTV :)

[10:47:56]

Juski:

I'm a blummin soap widower. 3 blimmum hours of the shite on telly last night

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siXy:

yeah i know the feeling :(

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Juski:

oh wait.. I know another reason I upgraded

[10:48:30]

** Juski remembers default timestretching.. MUHAHAHAHA **

[10:48:32]

siXy:

your wife or your box?

[10:49:15]

Merlin83b:

Heh, soaps = 1.15x. I reckon you could get away with that.

[10:49:28]

** Juski resolves to 'break' the NTL box remote tonight **

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quicksil1er:

I dropped my digibox on the floor once too often

[10:52:39]

quicksil1er:

and now it doesn't work

[10:52:41]

quicksil1er:

job done

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quicksil1er:

:)

[10:53:57]

Juski:

could have a wiki page for that.. increasing the WAF by making mythtv look much better than the alternatives.. or to put it another way.. household psychology

[10:55:24]

Juski:

I won the argument of keeping mythtv in my livingroom by pointing out that a VCR can only record one thing at a time, eventually runs out of tape, doesn't let you listen to music (so we'd have to have a huge hifi stack & CD storage in the room again).... etc etc

[10:56:09]

Juski:

i.e. stated the frickin obvious

[10:58:43]

PointyPumper:

dang

[10:58:45]

PointyPumper:

dsmyth

[10:58:48]

PointyPumper:

is dead :(

[10:59:07]

Juski:

we could have told you that

[10:59:16]

Juski:

it never really flew either

[10:59:16]

PointyPumper:

-_-

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PointyPumper:

in previus versions at least

[10:59:31]

PointyPumper:

watching live tv worked

[10:59:44]

PointyPumper:

but with the current version of mythtv it's not working :/

[10:59:51]

PointyPumper:

maybe i can downgrade my backend

[10:59:53]

Juski:

times I tried it, it was excellent at crashing my backend so I stopped trying to use it

[11:00:00]

PointyPumper:

hahah

[11:00:03]

PointyPumper:

:(

[11:00:09]

quicksil1er:

myth's browse interface is the main WAF blocker for me

[11:00:12]

** PointyPumper wants live tv **

[11:00:18]

quicksil1er:

she doesn't find it as easy as the browse interface on the digibox

[11:00:29]

Juski:

PointyPumper: get a linux frontend or stop whining. sheesh

[11:00:42]

PointyPumper:

i got 5 pcs with windows in here -_-

[11:00:45]

Juski:

so?

[11:00:58]

PointyPumper:

i want to have tv on all the house :/

[11:01:01]

Juski:

so?

[11:01:01]

PointyPumper:

not in 1 machine

[11:01:06]

PointyPumper:

that only i can use

[11:01:11]

Juski:

so?

[11:01:19]

PointyPumper:

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PointyPumper:

i need a solution for windows

[11:01:33]

PointyPumper:

instaling linux in 5 machines is not a solution

[11:01:35]

PointyPumper:

for this

[11:01:36]

Juski:

so write one

[11:01:44]

PointyPumper:

i dont have the time :/

[11:01:48]

Juski:

the guy who does that will be _well_ loved

[11:02:03]

Juski:

not by me, but by plentyu of others

[11:02:18]

quicksil1er:

or decide this is the reason you need to install linux on all those machines

[11:02:22]

Juski:

what do you need.. a GUI, something to speak the myth protocol & talk to the DB.. and a media player

[11:02:23]

quicksil1er:

you could always dual-boot them

[11:02:34]

Juski:

I mean how hard can it be? ;-)

[11:02:37]

ivor:

how did the cygwin port get along?

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PointyPumper:

it's not practical quicksil1er :/

[11:02:56]

quicksil1er:

particularly with openGL gui, given that windows has opengl apis

[11:03:08]

PointyPumper:

uhm

[11:03:09]

PointyPumper:

so

[11:03:09]

Juski:

ivor: I think most of the effort was based around trying to get it to compile with cygwin

[11:03:23]

ivor:

might have a play sometime.

[11:03:24]

PointyPumper:

the only "limitation" is that no one is writing a front end?

[11:03:26]

ivor:

how hard can it be.

[11:03:32]

PointyPumper:

maybe i can do it with a friend on summer :/

[11:03:39]

PointyPumper:

but

[11:03:40]

PointyPumper:

not now

[11:03:44]

Juski:

I can't figure out why everyone is always on about _porting_ the frontend, when it'd prolly be easier to start again

[11:03:47]

PointyPumper:

(summer in here is in 2 months)

[11:04:09]

ivor:

Juski: well you want it in the same codebase don't you?

[11:04:26]

PointyPumper:

and... it'll be simply easyer

[11:04:28]

quicksil1er:

I would be surprised if it was easier to start again

[11:04:29]

PointyPumper:

if using qt...

[11:04:30]

** quicksil1er shrugs **

[11:04:31]

tstm:

Juski: And QT is portable, so in theory it shouldn't be that hard..

[11:04:33]

PointyPumper:

there is a qt for windows

[11:04:38]

quicksil1er:

why keep re-inventing the wheel

[11:04:42]

quicksil1er:

there is also opengl for windows

[11:04:49]

PointyPumper:

asd

[11:04:52]

PointyPumper:

stop doing this

[11:04:59]

quicksil1er:

stop doing what?

[11:05:00]

PointyPumper:

or i'll have to start porting it :(

[11:05:02]

PointyPumper:

xD

[11:05:04]

Juski:

ivor: I wouldn't be too concerned about it being in the same codebase

[11:05:05]

ivor:

probably worth doing it at the same time as the Qt4 port to be honest.

[11:05:23]

ivor:

Juski: sure. but how do you keep it maintained and working as the myth codebase moves quickly?

[11:05:27]

Juski:

others might – but I think the primary focus should be on something that works first

[11:05:44]

PointyPumper:

yeap, it would be good that it uses the same codebase

[11:05:46]

PointyPumper:

otherwise

[11:05:51]

Juski:

ivor the same way everything else is.. how often does the protocol change, for example?

[11:06:01]

PointyPumper:

it'll die miserably like winmyth and dsmyth

[11:06:14]

Juski:

dsmyth still works

[11:06:27]

PointyPumper:

not everithing :/

[11:06:28]

tstm:

PointyPumper: Winmyth has been a truly miserable software from the beginning. No wonder it died.

[11:06:33]

PointyPumper:

hahaha

[11:06:36]

PointyPumper:

yea :/

[11:06:42]

PointyPumper:

asd

[11:06:56]

ivor:

Juski: well lets clarify... I woudln't have any interest in writing a brand new frontend. :) I would only be interested in porting.

[11:07:03]

** PointyPumper takes note: 2do on summer vacations: mythfrontend port **

[11:07:04]

PointyPumper:

xD

[11:07:15]

tstm:

People should look at the other OS mediacenter for windows. Maybe port the Myth protocol to it?

[11:08:08]

quicksil1er:

does WMC support remote backends

[11:08:09]

quicksil1er:

?

[11:08:12]

fish_:

re

[11:08:28]

tstm:

www.team-mediaportal.com

[11:08:32]

Imaginativeone:

does anyone use Mythdora?

[11:08:40]

Juski:

quicksil1er: MCE is an all-in-one box-unless-you-use-one-of-their-accredited-extenders thing

[11:08:44]

quicksil1er:

nod

[11:09:15]

Juski:

and that's with a max. of 3 tuners (2 SD & 1 HD, or 2HD or 2 SD) in ONE backend

[11:09:53]

** quicksil1er nods **

[11:10:27]

Juski:

seen as there's been an xbox 'frontend' written for XBMC, it wouldn't be rocket science to write one for Media Portal – but the thing is, nobody has yet done it, which is why there isn't one. The same would go for any _other_ 'media' player frontend too

[11:10:46]

quicksil1er:

PointyPumper: you could use virtualisation and guest OSes or something

[11:11:08]

PointyPumper:

nah, as said in here, it would be too slow :/

[11:11:16]

PointyPumper:

and would literaly eat the pc using it

[11:11:25]

Juski:

try a livecd...

[11:11:36]

quicksil1er:

'too slow'?

[11:11:42]

quicksil1er:

I don't think you know what you're talking about, do you?

[11:11:50]

quicksil1er:

virtualisation overhead is very low indeed

[11:11:53]

quicksil1er:

on modern hardware

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PointyPumper:

virtualisation and guest OSes <- to use virtual machines?

[11:12:40]

siXy:

quicksil1er: as far as i know dir doesnt work in guest os'es

[11:12:43]

siXy:

*dri

[11:13:16]

quicksil1er:

you don't need working DRI for a SD frontend

[11:13:18]

PointyPumper:

but i'll try later

[11:14:01]

Juski:

yeah but.. mythtv kind of depends on Xv, so you'd be running video scaling & colour conversion in software within a virtualised system... adding slowness to slowness

[11:14:10]

siXy:

quicksil1er: it may depend on the hardware used but i found myth to be slow without dri even on sd

[11:14:33]

quicksil1er:

I don't use DRI on my frontend

[11:14:44]

quicksil1er:

since the tv-out ati drivers don't support it

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Juski:

try it – your box may well even be fast enough. you've nothing to lose have you?

[11:15:01]

Juski:

and you may even stop whining

[11:15:06]

Juski:

;)

[11:15:09]

PointyPumper:

-_-

[11:15:10]

siXy:

unlikely :D

[11:16:10]

siXy:

PointyPumper: when i get round to it i am planning to write a windows mce plugin that integrates with mythtv backends

[11:16:27]

siXy:

but the mythmusic needs to come before that

[11:17:59]

siXy:

and ive been a bit busy lately.. not really had much time to spare on that yet

[11:19:14]

Juski:

siXy: you planning on revamping the music UI any? just I'm planning to make some mockups of some improvements :)

[11:19:57]

siXy:

yeah ive been planning to redo it

[11:20:14]

siXy:

its painfully unfriendly at the moment

[11:20:21]

Juski:

I'll try & drive my mockups in time for you to get a look at it

[11:20:56]

siXy:

well given that im teaching myself qt as i go its not going to be done anytime soon :(

[11:21:01]

Juski:

heh

[11:21:03]

Juski:

fair 'nuff

[11:21:05]

quicksil1er:

siXy: FWIW I have simple requirements. I just want to be able to play albums

[11:21:30]

quicksil1er:

siXy: I know other people want cooler stuff. But if we could just say 'play this CD' it would make my wife and I happy.

[11:21:39]

siXy:

quicksil1er: me too. but an interface that can at least cope with the concept of a large libary of singles would be good

[11:21:40]

Juski:

it was suggested to me in a post-expo drink last week that I could get a team together... and I think a team approach would be a good idea

[11:22:10]

siXy:

well if you do i would be happy to help in any way i can

[11:22:45]

Juski:

excellent

[11:23:01]

Juski:

I'll crack on with my mockups (not just stills mind you) as soon as I can

[11:23:15]

PointyPumper:

shit

[11:23:16]

PointyPumper:

:S

[11:23:16]

PointyPumper:

http://mythstreamtv.sourceforge.net/

[11:23:21]

PointyPumper:

do that work?

[11:23:24]

siXy:

Juski: have you used windows vista media center?

[11:23:24]

Juski:

yes

[11:23:39]

Juski:

siXy: no, but I quite like XBMC & how they do it.

[11:23:53]

Juski:

the 'yes' was for PointyPumper btw

[11:23:59]

siXy:

vista is a big improvement, especially for large libaries

[11:24:50]

Juski:

I think an amalgam of how mythvideo works now, but with better playlisting (and importing of playlists from other apps) would be a huge leap forward

[11:24:51]

siXy:

looks gorgeous and very easy to use and find what you want easily. lack of playlist creation is pretty much the only thing that lets it down.

[11:25:45]

ivor:

siXy: wouldnt you say that playlist creation is an advanced setting that you would "drill" into though.

[11:26:03]

Juski:

have an 'album art' gallery, and still the artist, title, genre drill-down capability too. Also do away with fixed size 'bins' too

[11:26:17]

Juski:

it'll become clear when you see the mockups I make ;)

[11:26:39]

siXy:

cool :)

[11:26:44]

Juski:

and it'd have implications for all the other media sections including recorded shows

[11:27:04]

ivor:

Juski: can't wait.

[11:27:19]

Juski:

the fixed column widths are very limiting

[11:27:23]

siXy:

ivor: some button to queue an album/ong rather than just immediately playing it is fairly important imo

[11:27:38]

ivor:

also I have a funky animated scrolly GL wotsit that would be perfect for eye-candy/

[11:27:47]

ivor:

siXy: yup. no argument with that.

[11:28:00]

Juski:

and as I said previously (not today) when you're in the list view, when you select/deselect an item, move to the next one down automagically

[11:28:11]

Juski:

even something as simple as that would make it easier

[11:28:48]

siXy:

yeah definately.

[11:28:59]

Juski:

anyway, time to do some real work :)

[11:29:05]

siXy:

heh :)

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cwraig:

hey

[11:30:57]

ivor:

jude

[11:31:13]

cwraig:

what file system should i be using for myth tv

[11:31:36]

cwraig:

i have heard large files cause problems with ext2 & 3 file systems and that xfs is better or something

[11:31:45]

cwraig:

is this irght oris it just a myth

[11:31:57]

siXy:

xfs is good. dont use it for your main / filessystem tho

[11:32:40]

siXy:

ext2 is old dont use that. ext3 takes ages to delete large files which is annoying for mythtv

[11:33:03]

cwraig:

thanks heaps, ill be back :P

[11:33:10]

siXy:

ok :)

[11:43:50]

PointyPumper:

in wich cases (other than deleting) its faster than ext3?

[11:43:52]

PointyPumper:

in seeking too?

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Juski:

but.. mythtv now has gradual file deletion so it doesn't really matter which fs you use :)

[11:53:27]

Juski:

and it was only ever an issue if you deleted lots of huge files at the same time anyway.. like in 300GB chunks

[11:54:30]

quicksil1er:

I once had something weird happen to myth where it deleted almost all my moderately old recordings, even though I wasn't remotely out of disk space and auto-expire had no right to kick in

[11:54:41]

quicksil1er:

I had absolutely no time to investigate it at the time and it hasn't happened since

[11:54:46]

quicksil1er:

anyone seen anything like that?

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Juski:

ooo http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/10/31/gp2x_ . . . pu_upgraded/

[12:03:52]

ivor:

pwd

[12:03:56]

ivor:

ahem

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Sebulba02:

/

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siXy:

yeah i saw that :D

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siXy:

if only that handheld had wifi there would be so many uses for it

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Juski:

wireless mythtv handheld.. yummy :)

[12:10:23]

siXy:

now THAT would make myth an mce killer

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hydroksyde:

urgh

[12:10:41]

hydroksyde:

mythtv is no mce killer

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tstm:

Not at its present state, no.

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** Juski laughs **

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hydroksyde:

the interface is just so stupid in some places

[12:11:06]

Juski:

if you know how to use it properly it IS

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hydroksyde:

lol

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Juski:

and you guys gonna quit whining about mythtv today or what?

[12:11:30]

hydroksyde:

lol

[12:11:30]

tstm:

hydroksyde: I agree. The TV isn't nearly as accessible as it should be.

[12:11:49]

tstm:

The interface simply isn't designed for remote control use.

[12:12:06]

Juski:

oh ffs

[12:12:07]

ivor:

have you made a list of what isn't great and what the better way of operating would be?

[12:12:19]

tstm:

Juski: I'm not trying to whine. I'm trying to point out errors.

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Juski:

so try to be _constructive_ in that then

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tstm:

I'm a proud mythtv user myself. Why would I whine.

[12:12:37]

hydroksyde:

I think a proper lirc interface would be nice

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hydroksyde:

mapping buttons to functions rather than keys

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siXy:

tstm – its all just xml. if you dont like the default menu structure (and i hate it) then change it

[12:13:08]

hydroksyde:

which make more sense on the keyboard

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tstm:

siXy: The problem isn't in the menu structure. The problem is in the inability to do anything without arrow keys.

[12:13:26]

Juski:

hydroksyde: there are too many functions to wrap up onto most remotes

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ivor:

er. what the fuck are you talking about. it has a native lirc interface already

[12:13:39]

ivor:

and you can man buttons to functions.

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hydroksyde:

it does

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hydroksyde:

err?

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ivor:

/man/map

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hydroksyde:

does it?

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Juski:

yes

[12:13:53]

ivor:

yes

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hydroksyde:

has it changed since 0.19?

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Juski:

no

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ivor:

doubt it

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tstm:

siXy: There should be a TV -key in the remote that goes straight to the live tv (and similiar for music, epg, etc)

[12:14:20]

Juski:

native lirc support has been in there since.. ooo...

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hydroksyde:

all that was was mapping buttons to keys

[12:14:29]

ivor:

tstm: and again that is possible.

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Juski:

tstm: you can already do that

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hydroksyde:

not functions

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ivor:

of for fucks sake

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siXy:

tstm: on mine there is.

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tstm:

ivor: Can you?

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ivor:

yes.

[12:14:46]

ivor:

I have a nice "TV" button on my remote.

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tstm:

Hmm. Needs some configuration, though?

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hydroksyde:

correct me if I'm wrong

[12:14:59]

hydroksyde:

or better yet

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tstm:

At least I haven't got it to work yet.

[12:15:11]

siXy:

except tv goes to recorded tv on mine as we never watch live tv

[12:15:14]

hydroksyde:

point me to a list of lircrc commands

[12:15:14]

ivor:

tstm: sure. because EVERYONE has a different remote

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quicksil1er:

wireless handheld wifi?

[12:15:18]

quicksil1er:

can anyone say 'PSP'?

[12:15:20]

Juski:

needs some _one_ _time_ configuration, yes

[12:15:23]

siXy:

ofc it needs configuration.. this is linux after all

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tstm:

ivor: Sure, but configuration other than just mapping the keys.

[12:15:46]

hydroksyde:

That's my point

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hydroksyde:

I have my remote working

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ivor:

but there's nothing stopping anyone who thinks it isn't simple enough, making it simpler or proposing clearly and sensibly how it can be made better.

[12:15:58]

Juski:

and folks wonder why so many OSS developers couldn;t give a shit about users

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siXy:

innit :/

[12:16:31]

siXy:

tho i wish they gave a shit about user interfaces :)

[12:16:53]

ivor:

root $

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Juski:

the basis of _good_ criticism is one where you identify that something could be better and then you suggest exactly _how_ it could be made better

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tstm:

ivor: I know it well enough. It's just pointless to go and try to fix something that already has been fixed in a way you just haven't realized yet. That's why I think it's important to ask first, and have some dialogue about it..

[12:16:59]

ivor:

what more do you want? honestly.

[12:17:01]

ivor:

:)

[12:17:23]

Juski:

you can't get away with simply saying "it sucks. make it better".. that is useless to everybody

[12:17:31]

tstm:

I agree.

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hydroksyde:

lol

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ivor:

group hug

[12:17:52]

** ivor farts **

[12:18:26]

Juski:

that's why I'm gonna make mockups of the improvements I'd like to see in mythmusic.. no point just sitting here whining about it ;-)

[12:19:54]

siXy:

juski: might be worth doing them in qt4 as myth is migrating there anyway

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ivor:

I think he's planning more on html/gif development.

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ivor:

tried and trusted prototyping technology

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Juski:

video etc... ;) give a feel for how it should look & feel :)

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** siXy reads up **

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siXy:

ahh yeah that would make more sense

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Juski:

a real mockup kinda mockup :)

[12:21:50]

Juski:

software equivalent of a space model ;)

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siXy:

flash, dare i say it might be a quick way to do it

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** siXy hides **

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Juski:

hahaha

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Juski:

it won't be interactive

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Juski:

if I was gonna do that it'd be a pretty short leap to make the code too... lol

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siXy:

:)

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DGnome:

Hello! Anybody in here with experiences of h.264 BBC HD broadcasts or any other h.264 broadcast over DVB?

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PointyPumper:

uhm

[12:39:03]

PointyPumper:

im getting the error MainServer: Failed to make preview image.

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PointyPumper:

any idea bout that?

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jono:

hi all

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jono:

anyone here at LinuxWorld in London?

[12:46:04]

ivor:

indeedey.

[12:46:17]

ivor:

Juski too

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PointyPumper:

O.o

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PointyPumper:

any idea on why the backend is not generating thumbnails? :/

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ivor:

jono: sup?

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jono:

hey ivor

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jono:

Juski, ahhh just the man

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jono:

those of you interested in the ubuntu mythtv team, join #ubuntu-mythtv

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ivor:

although it's lunchtime... so Juski's probably down t'pub. :)

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Juski:

hahaha.. me? pub?

[13:13:22]

Juski:

not til friday on work days ;)

[13:15:12]

Juski:

PointyPumper: generating thumbnails of what exactly? mythvideo won't do that, if that's what you're wondering. and I think we went through this last weekend already

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Paladine:

not fair having a full day of uni on your birthday

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PointyPumper:

nah Juski, already solved

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PointyPumper:

the backend was habing problems generating the thumbs

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PointyPumper:

and make the mythweb go slow when previewing thumbs from show

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PointyPumper:

s

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PointyPumper:

(cause it waited til the back end told him that it was not posible to create em)

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fryfrog:

PointyPumper: Did it eventually generate them? Or did they all time out?

[13:59:02]

PointyPumper:

nop, when the recording ended, they were generated

[13:59:06]

PointyPumper:

but, now it's working

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PointyPumper:

i dont know what happened

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fryfrog:

Do you have two backends? Master and Slave?

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PointyPumper:

no

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fryfrog:

Usually, when you visit MythWeb it asks the backend to create images, so the *first* time you visit if you have a lot of recordings it can take a while

[14:02:13]

PointyPumper:

in my case, that happened, was that the back end tryed to open the images

[14:02:20]

PointyPumper:

and it had a long timeout

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PointyPumper:

then it realizzed that they couldnt be opened

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

did it *eventually* load up pictures?

[14:02:44]

fryfrog:

and now, it contineus to?

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PointyPumper:

nah, until i reboot the linux, i didnt got images (and SLOW mythweb)

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PointyPumper:

now its working as intended xD

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fryfrog:

weird

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PointyPumper:

yeap :/

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DGnome:

Can I stream video to mythtv with VLC ?

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Dagmar:

You may.

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Dagmar:

Other people seem to be doing it fine.

[14:17:16]

DGnome:

mkay

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DGnome:

CRC IP recorder is to be used as input?

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Dagmar:

Of course, other people use Google a lot, too.

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GreyFoxx:

DGnome: I've done it using VLC to the CRC IP reecorder

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GreyFoxx:

both unicast and multicast

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null_:

How can I get umlauts displayed correctly in my EPG?

[14:18:58]

DGnome:

GreyFoxx: okay, vlc settings? mpeg ts?

[14:19:09]

GreyFoxx:

hold on, I'll dig up the commands I used

[14:19:18]

DGnome:

GreyFoxx: thank you :)

[14:19:43]

DGnome:

GreyFoxx: mythtv configuration is another thing i might need help with

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dorel__:

GreyFoxx: I've been trying for quite a while but haven't been able to configure it right.

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dorel__:

I'd love to see the configuration required as well

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PointyPumper:

wait

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PointyPumper:

streaming from vlc TO mythtv?

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GreyFoxx:

Yes

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PointyPumper:

why would u do that? :S

[14:20:52]

DGnome:

PointyPumper: yup

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GreyFoxx:

Putting the stuff up on pastebin

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fryfrog:

what is vlc?

[14:21:09]

DGnome:

PointyPumper: all kind of reasons :)

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dorel__:

fryfrog: videolan.org

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PointyPumper:

vidfeolan

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PointyPumper:

haha

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dorel__:

fryfrog: an all purpose streaming server/client

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PointyPumper:

u can input almost ehything with that

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PointyPumper:

but

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DGnome:

PointyPumper: i miy want to broadcast video to my customers and so on :)

[14:21:39]

PointyPumper:

i dont get why would u need to do that

[14:21:41]

PointyPumper:

to mythtv :S

[14:21:50]

PointyPumper:

k

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dorel__:

I totally agree, it's a must.

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DGnome:

might..

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dorel__:

How is mythtv-setup to be configured is another thing I'd like to know.

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GreyFoxx:

dorel__: I'll put up an example of that too

[14:23:18]

GreyFoxx:

just need to login to home and dig that out of my database

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PointyPumper:

[11:35:33] <DGnome> PointyPumper: i miy want to broadcast video to my customers and so on :) <- why do u need mythtv to do that? isnt vlc alone enough?

[14:23:35]

DGnome:

PointyPumper: it's allso called IP TV in vertain scenarios

[14:23:47]

DGnome:

PointyPumper: IP TV!

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DGnome:

dangit :)

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dorel__:

GreyFoxx: many thanks, I'm dying to test it already :)

[14:24:08]

dorel__:

yep

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DGnome:

GreyFoxx: yessir, thank you :)

[14:26:20]

D-side:

yay i get my mac mini tonight

[14:26:40]

dorel__:

D-side: you should totally remove all software on it and install debian hehe

[14:26:47]

DGnome:

D-side: rape it wth debian and make it a mythfrontend? :)

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D-side:

why bother with any of that when it can run mythfrontend natively?

[14:27:11]

DGnome:

D-side: because you can?

[14:27:12]

D-side:

can't wait to try that OS X frontend.

[14:27:15]

dorel__:

D-side: just cause I like debian and its fun :)

[14:27:56]

D-side:

DGnome: back when i was a kid, and foolishly thought "linux on EVERYTHING!!!1111one", i would have agreed with that statement.

[14:28:04]

GreyFoxx:

http://pastebin.ca/230912

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D-side:

however, ten years later and countless installations of linux on things that really had no business runnning linux to begin with... i'm wiser.

[14:28:40]

DGnome:

D-side: somehow I think it would be easier to run myth on debian than on os X, otherwise i'd go for os X any day

[14:28:58]

Juski:

the question about using IP TV sources cropped up a _lot_ at the expo booth from both 'consumers' & companies alike

[14:29:01]

GreyFoxx:

The IP recorder stuff is all being redone in SVN, so it's gonna change at some point

[14:29:14]

D-side:

DGnome: so, since mythfrontend compiles and works cleaning on OS X, how do you think linux is easier? :)

[14:29:27]

Juski:

anyway I need to be off-site, so talk to y'all later :)

[14:29:33]

D-side:

actually, i cant say "compiles and works cleanly"

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: Yeah, using the CRCIP stuff, along with a users patch on the -dev list it's very usful for people with IPtv feeds

[14:29:38]

dorel__:

GreyFoxx: why do you use duplicate? thats for both playing and streaming, no?

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D-side:

(especially since i said "cleaning")

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DGnome:

D-side: os x is made userfriendlier :)

[14:29:48]

D-side:

but i will let you know tonight. :)

[14:29:57]

DGnome:

Juski: ip-tv is hot, yes.

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siXy:

yeah theres a fair bit of commercial interest in ip tv atm

[14:30:22]

GreyFoxx:

dorel__: Nope, I'm just not transcoding/reencoding to another bitrate or codec, no resizing or anything

[14:30:28]

GreyFoxx:

You can certainly adjust to your liking :)

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dorel__:

GreyFoxx: do you need to define channels or something for the IP CRC input?

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D-side:

isn't verizon's fios tv ip based?

[14:30:57]

D-side:

i honestly can't fathom how it would be anything else.

[14:31:08]

GreyFoxx:

dorel__: Nope, 1 reecorder per channel unless you using the one url per channel patch that was put on the dev list in August

[14:31:23]

GreyFoxx:

I tested it and it worked well, but it was too close to 0.20 to go in

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dorel__:

ok just a sec im gonna try it now

[14:31:49]

GreyFoxx:

and now DK is rewriting/merging all of the IP recorder code so I'm waiting to see how that shakes out

[14:32:34]

DGnome:

hmm, my ip tests result in mythtv returning to main menu :)

[14:32:51]

GreyFoxx:

DGnome: I used it purely for recording, I don't do livetv

[14:33:00]

DGnome:

GreyFoxx: ah, ok

[14:33:23]

GreyFoxx:

I used it to reecord a stream from my office mythbox to my home one :)

[14:33:35]

DGnome:

:D

[14:33:49]

DGnome:

GreyFoxx: what do you work with?

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DGnome:

myth-related?

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dorel__:

GreyFoxx: so 192.168.0.10 is the ip of the host that is doing the streaming of vlc?

[14:34:24]

GreyFoxx:

dorel__: The destination

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GreyFoxx:

DGnome: I work for an ISP/Colo+Phone company

[14:34:58]

GreyFoxx:

I have a mythbox in our server room :)

[14:35:04]

dorel__:

GreyFoxx: my situation is that the vlc streamer, the backend and frontend are all on the same box, same ip.

[14:35:08]

fryfrog:

zounds!

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GreyFoxx:

dorel__: So ?

[14:35:52]

GreyFoxx:

then set the destination to that boxes IP

[14:35:57]

dorel__:

GreyFoxx: right.

[14:36:00]

GreyFoxx:

your IP stack wont care :)

[14:37:26]

dorel__:

GreyFoxx: ok checking...

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D-side:

GreyFoxx: i do the same thing.

[14:38:02]

D-side:

GreyFoxx: does your job suck?

[14:38:38]

GreyFoxx:

D-side: Some days it does :)

[14:38:47]

GreyFoxx:

But then all jobs do :)

[14:39:09]

GreyFoxx:

It pays well, so I usually don't mind :)

[14:40:33]

DGnome:

I just got a new job, open source all the way ;)

[14:41:15]

D-side:

DGnome: sounds good.

[14:41:19]

DGnome:

yessir

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D-side:

til something breaks and yours is the only throat to choke. heh

[14:41:28]

DGnome:

we had a usability test done om mythtv

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DGnome:

and, seems myth is very usable

[14:41:54]

DGnome:

article ought to still be on digg

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DGnome:

somewhere

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GreyFoxx:

we're an opensource shop unless a customer has specific software requirements

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dorel__:

well its not really working im not sure if my problem is with vlc or mythtv

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DGnome:

humm

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fryfrog:

DGnome: got the link? I assume the usability test was *after* it was all setup and going? :)

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DGnome:

fryfrog: oh yes

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DGnome:

fryfrog: waut a moment

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DGnome:

wait

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DGnome:

fryfrog: http://slashbox.net/osp.fi/

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DGnome:

GreyFoxx: could it cause problems to unicast mpeg ts with mp4v content? :)

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dorel__:

ok its definitely not vlc

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dorel__:

GreyFoxx: you still around?

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|Torg|:

is anyone here well versed in RF propogation?

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dorel__:

GreyFoxx: this is the error im getting on mythtv when switching to the stream input http://pastebin.ca/230954

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jduggan:

any brits here having troubles with tv_grab_uk_rt? im having problems with bad line in channel list: at /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk_rt line 194.

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DGnome:

dorel__: frontend just gos back to main menu?

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DGnome:

dorel__: goes..

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dorel__:

DGnome: Exactly, after like 3 seconds

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DGnome:

dorel__: lets start a club :)

[14:56:17]

dorel__:

DGnome: lol, you're having the same problem?

[14:56:23]

DGnome:

dorel__: yup

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dorel__:

DGnome: did you look at the error messages i posted on pastebin?

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|Torg|:

dorel__: does /home/mythtv/shared/recordings/1009_20061031162053.mpg exist?

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GreyFoxx:

Like I said earlier, I don't do livetv nor have I attempted to use it for livetv :) I had the backend record it and watched it from the watch recordings screen :)

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dorel__:

well no

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dorel__:

GreyFoxx: i'm not talking about livetv im talking about the streams from vlc

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|Torg|:

dorel__ does that file exist?

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GreyFoxx:

dorel__: If you are picking "Watch TV" it's the same thing as LiveTV

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GreyFoxx:

regardless of the source of the video

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dorel__:

|Torg|: no it doesnt exist

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dorel__:

GreyFoxx: is there another way to watch those ip crc streams?

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|Torg|:

dorel__ THAT is your problem

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** GreyFoxx hates repeating himself :) **

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GreyFoxx:

"I had the backend record it and watched it from the watch recordings screen"

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dorel__:

GreyFoxx: just thought you had this thing with vlc figured out :)

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx did you say something :P

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GreyFoxx:

dorel__: I did for my uses

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GreyFoxx:

I didn't even attempt to use it with LiveTV

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GreyFoxx:

make sure you can record it before worrying about livetv

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dorel__:

|Torg|: well its mythtv trying to write that file

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DGnome:

GreyFoxx: how do I just record it?

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GreyFoxx:

If the file doesn't exist then something is messaged up, as the backend would still create the file. It would just be empty if it couldn't see the data

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GreyFoxx:

DGnome: I set a recording schedule

[15:00:21]

GreyFoxx:

I'd check the backend output

[15:00:27]

GreyFoxx:

and maybe turn up the verbosity level

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DGnome:

GreyFoxx: where can i spacify that it is to record from ip as there are no channels?

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|Torg|:

no dorel__ it is trying to READ the file and it cant. It cant becase it does not exist

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** DGnome has to learn to type. **

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dorel__:

well me and DGnome are having the same problem

[15:01:05]

dorel__:

|Torg|: i see.

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|Torg|:

dorel__ go check the permisions of /home/mythtv/shared/recordings, then go check to see what you have the backend running at, finaly check to see what other errors the backend told you was wrong

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GreyFoxx:

DGnome: Hehe you need to create a video source, a channel and connect it to the device just like you do with a regular capture card. Since you had setup myth I assumed you would just do that :)

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|Torg|:

if you upgraded from .19 to .20 or .21 go into your channel defs, remove them and readd them back

[15:02:16]

DGnome:

GreyFoxx: yup, never found anything about creating a channel for IP CRC

[15:02:26]

GreyFoxx:

Just create a video source

[15:02:32]

DGnome:

GreyFoxx: done.

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GreyFoxx:

then create a channel

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DGnome:

GreyFoxx: where?

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** |Torg| wonders what dorel__ and DGnome have aginst samba **

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GreyFoxx:

In the channel editor

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GreyFoxx:

mythtv-0setup

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DGnome:

GreyFoxx: scanner?

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GreyFoxx:

umm no. In the channel editor, the very first item at the top of the channel list is "New Channel"

[15:04:23]

DGnome:

GreyFoxx: oh, thanx, think i'll manage now :)

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GreyFoxx:

That pops up a screen where you define the channel and the video source it's part of :)

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GreyFoxx:

I had planned on documenting this fully from start to finish but then I saw DK start his changes and am waiting til he's done

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DGnome:

GreyFoxx: mkay

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DGnome:

this ought to do it

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** DGnome holdig thumbs up as if he had rigor mortis **

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|Torg|:

whats work?

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GreyFoxx:

The stuff they pay me to do :)

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dorel__:

DGnome: is it working for you?

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DGnome:

dorel__: wait

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dorel__:

i deleted and re-created the channel for the crc stream but it isnt working here still

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DGnome:

dorel__: not yet

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ivor:

right. that's qt-3 on windows built.....

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GreyFoxx:

ivor: with mysql support ?

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ivor:

that's qhat I'm looking at right this second....

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GreyFoxx:

cool. I had a pain getting it to include mysql support

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dorel__:

DGnome: these are my errors on mythfrontend and mythbackendhttp://pastebin.ca/230983

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DGnome:

oh, crap.. have to go home soon..

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D-side:

GreyFoxx: that "working" thing didn't last too long eh? heh

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GreyFoxx:

D-side: My IRC screen is usually still visible :)

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DGnome:

dorel__: have to go now, but I'll look into this more tomorrow!

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jduggan:

xmltv.org shows 'grab errors' in status of my tvgrab script, is this a script error on behalf of the site providin the xmltv listings?

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jduggan:

or the tv_grab_uk_rt script itself

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quicksil1er:

tv_grab_uk_rt has periodic failures

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quicksil1er:

I don't know whether radiotimes has occasional problems or what

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quicksil1er:

but it normally clears up in a day or so for me

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jduggan:

well that sucks

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jduggan:

since i have no tvguide

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jduggan:

:|

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|Torg|:

is there any way of making the EIT scanner less verbose?

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fryfrog:

pipe to dev null?

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|Torg|:

sure :P i want those 8 lines of log down to 1.

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fryfrog:

erm, maybe it has a -q or --quiet option?

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|Torg|:

no there is a log eit option, but not a level it seems a 1 and 0 option

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|Torg|:

that and im not entirely certain I ned the EIT :)

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msomers:

I seem to have MythTV up and working fine, but I think i might have an issue with my capture card. It's a Hauppauge PVR150-MCE, and when i start up watching TV, I get static on all channels but two and those two are in black & white, so instead I set my card to scan for channels instead of fetch from listing source, and behold I only pick up two channels. I tested the connection on a real TV, and it seems to be really weak, but it's

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RaYmAn-Bx:

tv cards tends to be more sensitive to weak signals in my experience

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msomers:

so it's probably not a capture card issue?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

hard to say

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|Torg|:

its actuallya signal issue, but yes

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msomers:

FWIW, i couldn't get it to work in Windows either, although I think that was a messed up driver/decoder issue

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RaYmAn-Bx:

if the signal is bad in the first place it's not going to be very good :P

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msomers:

well, my cable has been weird lately because they've been converting from comcast to time warner, so I'll give them a call and see what they can do for me

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|Torg|:

at week or margional signal your capture card can do some really strange things

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msomers:

haha

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msomers:

right

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msomers:

oh

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msomers:

one thing

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msomers:

Oh, one more thing

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msomers:

I get this error in the terminal when I load up mythfrontend

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msomers:

X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166

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msomers:

Major opcode: 144

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msomers:

Minor opcode: 3

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msomers:

Resource id: 0x0

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msomers:

Failed to open device

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msomers:

X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166

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msomers:

Major opcode: 144

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msomers:

Minor opcode: 3

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msomers:

Resource id: 0x0

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msomers:

Failed to open device

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|Torg|:

a guess is its your video card driver

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|Torg|:

but id have to know what device 166 is

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msomers:

how can i find out?

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|Torg|:

xdpyinfo

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msomers:

what am i looking for?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

|Torg|: input device doesn't sound a lot like a video card though

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|Torg|:

sorry I was thiking of something else

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|Torg|:

yes its one of your mouse or keyboard entries

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msomers:

so what?

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msomers:

like what does that mean

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msomers:

could it be that ivtv isn't installed properly?

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|Torg|:

well the way i do it is with X -verbose 6 and read the output, im looking up a nicer way for you to do it now

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|Torg|:

you want you can dump X to a verbose log file and parse it

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msomers:

that's greek to me, i'm pretty new at this

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|Torg|:

well it will make ALLOT of output but do this: 1) shut down X (or your dm or whatever is running it). then type "X -verbose 6 > X.log 2>&1 &"

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msomers:

how do i shut down X (i'm on ubuntu 6.10)

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|Torg|:

let that run for about 30 seconds then fg it and ctrol-c or go to the console and but ctrl-alt-bksp

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|Torg|:

I dont know how you stated it. Ill guess /etc/init.d/gdm stop

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msomers:

ok, i'll give that s hot

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** scopeuk feels liek hes a little over kill atm his media player is hooked up to a web control app a streamer and another media app is playing it back **

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scopeuk:

all on one machine

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scopeuk:

the joys of "testing"

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scopeuk:

havign a system inside the uni firewalsl ahs soem benifits for starters full quality streaming music with no skipps :-0

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scopeuk:

:-)

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sri:

mornin

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Juski:

if, say, someone in the UK was to put a little mythtv get-together together, would anyone be interested in going? just for the sake of argument...

[16:44:41]

Merlin83b:

Sure

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scopeuk:

Juski approximately where abouts on this rock

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Merlin83b:

What would happen at this shindig?

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Juski:

I dunno.. just sort of trying to get an idea about who'd be interested

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Merlin83b:

I'm not against it...

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scopeuk:

be bit of a laught i spose

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Merlin83b:

Evening/overnight kind of do?

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Juski:

Merlin83b: discussions, the social bit ;) and maybe even a bit of an installfest

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Merlin83b:

PRoblem with installfest is we all have it installed already :)

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Juski:

yeah but.. .

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Merlin83b:

no but...

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Juski:

lol

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RaYmAn-Bx:

advertize it at various LUG's..I'm sure you could get people interested =P

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** scopeuk wodners how many machines in the omptuer lab he could "borrow" to do hsi bidding for an evening **

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scopeuk:

quite ammuzingmy local lugs website is dead

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Juski:

yeah that's what I was thinking.. don't want to get ideas that are too far ahead of themselves just yet though

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xris:

Juski: btw, PG looks all wacky on my machine now.

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xris:

using the latest version

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xris:

background is all weird

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Juski:

xris: all wacky? like when it was missing the base.xml ?

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xris:

no, different

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Juski:

is that the wide or 4:3 theme?

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xris:

4:3

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xris:

like the background doesn't fit

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Juski:

could you show me a screenshot or 2 please?

[16:49:28]

Juski:

I'll just download my tarball & put it on my .20 box to see if it's ok in opengl mode

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Juski:

it's not had anything radical done to it since I last put it through its paces though

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xris:

as soon as I can find out where gnome put them...

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Juski:

is it only with the gl painter?

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Juski:

oo hang on a sec.. does the background look like it's tiled at all ?

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Juski:

just remembered stuarta had that issue & he had to clear out the themecache

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jduggan:

live tv tells me that tv is recording so i cant watch it.. delete recordings shows 7 items in LiveTV filter but when i select it it has no recordings, how can i flush this?

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Juski:

jduggan: change the group filter

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jduggan:

Juski: all the group filters other than LiveTv are empty

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Juski:

hmmm

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jduggan:

but when i hit enter on LiveTV, i get 'Sorry No Recordings Available'

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jduggan:

likewise, when i try and watch a recording, there are none

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jams:

try restarting the backend? that happens sometimes a frontend crashes

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Juski:

the recording must be there somewhere

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jduggan:

jams: yea the first thing i tried was restarting the backend, i also restarted the frontend

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Juski:

projectgrayhem 2.0 – the 4:3 version is working fine here, xris

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xris:

wtf, it looks like it never saved my screenshots

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jduggan:

Juski: mythconverg.recorded shows lots of file names.. only the frontend does see any of them?

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jduggan:

doesnt*

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xris:

Juski: http://forevermore.net/files/pg/

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xris:

but now I need to go to work... so I'll catch up with you later.

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Juski:

looks like themecache to me

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jduggan:

Juski: is there any way to fix this

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Juski:

jduggan: try restarting the backend

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jduggan:

Juski: i did twice

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jduggan:

and also the frontend

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Juski:

I think the recordings you might be seeing are short livetv recordings which have already been expired

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jduggan:

ok, so how do i flush these

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Juski:

what does mythtv say when you try to delete them?

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jduggan:

erm

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Juski:

that the files don't exist?

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jduggan:

i think you misunderstand

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Juski:

I mean you said they appear in the list of programs in 'delete recordings'

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Juski:

starting to sound like something's wrong with your filesystem

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jduggan:

Mythtv is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected yada yada yada (when i try to watch live tv).. so i assume its recording something it says if you want to watch livetv cancel one of the in-progress recordings from the delete menu.... now delete menu shows 7 recordings in 'livetv' filter but 'all programs' shows 7.. if i enter this menu it says there are no recordings

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jduggan:

the frontend believes there are 7 recordings but in actual fact there are none, its like they deleted the stores but not the info in mysql ?

[17:08:45]

jduggan:

stores being actual files

[17:09:23]

Juski:

could be the db is corrup

[17:09:24]

Juski:

t

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Juski:

stop mythbackend & run mysqlcheck

[17:09:36]

fryfrog:

have you tried restarting the backend?

[17:09:44]

jduggan:

fryfrog: only about 4times ;)

[17:09:46]

fryfrog:

or looking at the status page in mythfrontend (or mythweb)?

[17:09:50]

fryfrog:

jduggan: ah :)

[17:09:58]

|Torg|:

go to your mythbackend log, find out what files its trying to delete, go touch those files, then go delete them via the frontend

[17:10:02]

|Torg|:

repeat as necessary

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TrisMcC:

Hey all.

[17:11:12]

TrisMcC:

I am having trouble with the Internal Player with MythVideo playing quicktime files that have AAC audio.

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jduggan:

Juski: msqlcheck returns OK on all tables in mythconverg

[17:12:02]

Juski:

TrisMcC: sounds like mythtv wasn't built with aac support

[17:12:14]

Juski:

jduggan: ok.. so check the backend logs

[17:13:20]

TrisMcC:

Juski: Yeah, apparently --enable-faad --enable-gpl does not do it.

[17:13:49]

|Torg|:

jduggan that should be the case as mysql wouldnt start if they were corrupt. All that command does is see if table space is intact, not if data is.

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|Torg|:

oh and the command you want is "mysqlcheck mythconverg"

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Juski:

TrisMcC: read the output of ./configure --help in that case ;)

[17:16:48]

jduggan:

ok, reading backend logs helps

[17:17:05]

jduggan:

the error message in the frontend is unrelated to what the problem was

[17:18:22]

|Torg|:

Juski intersting enough the option isnt listed in --help, jduggan add --enable-faac to your configure options

[17:18:30]

TrisMcC:

Juski: Maybe I need --enable-faac. I always thought that libfaac was the encoder and libfaad was the decoder, but I just found something online that says otherwise now.

[17:18:46]

TrisMcC:

|Torg|: That was me, but thanks anyway :)

[17:18:54]

|Torg|:

oh ok, I need mroe coffee :P

[17:18:57]

ivor:

hmmm. ok badblocks says "bad magic number in super-block" damnit.

[17:19:06]

ivor:

is badblocks ext2/3 only?

[17:19:21]

ivor:

s/badblocks/debugfs/

[17:19:23]

ivor:

meh

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|Torg|:

badblocks is in any inode structure filesystem

[17:19:32]

ivor:

it's getting late.

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|Torg|:

and it means yoru disk is going/ is already/ or soon will be, bad

[17:19:51]

ivor:

ah yes debugfs is ext2 only....

[17:20:10]

ivor:

hmm is there a reiserfs bad block marking tool....

[17:20:16]

Juski:

ouch! "Lirc (0.8.0) does not build on current kernels, it certainly does not build on the default Ubuntu Edgy kernel."

[17:20:34]

|Torg|:

as is there in vxfs and ufs ivor

[17:20:47]

Juski:

now that could be what I'd call a bit of a blocker

[17:21:09]

ivor:

Juski: no probs here on 2.6.18

[17:21:25]

Juski:

no? ah well maybe it's not bad news then :)

[17:22:45]

** Juski goes back to disabling the NTL STB remote.. heheheheheheh **

[17:22:53]

jams:

I had to use lirc cvs for 2.6.18

[17:22:57]

ivor:

grrr. so how do you mark bad sectors in reiserfs.... damnit.

[17:23:31]

Juski:

repeatedly, with a kitchen knife? ;-)

[17:23:44]

quicksil1er:

reiserfs considered harmful

[17:23:51]

quicksil1er:

rescue your data before it eats all your cookies

[17:24:08]

ivor:

aaahaaa! debugreiserfs

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|Torg|:

ivor im not joking, power down that disk, go get another, and copy off that data as fast as you can

[17:24:33]

ivor:

|Torg|: shush. I know what I'm doing. :)

[17:24:52]

|Torg|:

unless you did something rather stupid liek try toi reformat it, stomp on it with MBR tools or screw it up with dd it is a sign of fast impending doom for the disk

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jams:

ivor- looks like reiserfstune will also do it

[17:25:13]

Juski:

wow. I'd never have expected people's answers to questions about the very same thing to be so damn unhelpful...

[17:25:28]

jams:

?

[17:25:35]

Juski:

just googled it..

[17:25:54]

jduggan:

can i run a command everytime i watch 'live tv'? also, my sound is tinny i have to alter ivtvctl -q1 everytime i watch livetv, will this make recorded programs tinny that im not watching live also?

[17:25:58]

ivor:

yeah, I noticed that.

[17:26:01]

Juski:

there's a whole bunch of people asking the question & the first 20 or so hits were all unhelpful forum posts

[17:26:32]

|Torg|:

sorry ivor I was jsut trying to be helpfull. I have lost more data to slow creeping bad blocks that I care to count

[17:26:38]

Juski:

jduggan: bother the ivtv guys about that, or try newer firmware

[17:26:49]

jduggan:

Juski: im using the latest firmware

[17:26:56]

Juski:

try older firmware then ;)

[17:27:18]

Juski:

it's an ongoing thing, but i fixed it my changing my recording profiles to all use 48khz sampling

[17:27:42]

Juski:

just doesn't seem to like the 32khz default for some reason

[17:28:18]

ivor:

|Torg|: no worries. I'm pretty (well 100% certain) this is just surface damage caused by the disk being knocked about.

[17:28:25]

ivor:

this is a laptop.

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Juski:

my 'other' pvr card, a pvr 2000 one only offers 48khz sampling in the windows driver

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jduggan:

also, for live tv is it generally highbitrate used? (good quality)

[17:28:56]

jduggan:

in recording profiles?

[17:29:04]

Juski:

jduggan: check your recording profiles

[17:29:19]

Juski:

someone edited the wiki & put the default values in there I think

[17:29:55]

Juski:

the default is 480x480 (eew) and about 2GB/hour bitrate IIRC

[17:30:51]

jduggan:

well my bitrate is 2200 but i wonder if i up'd it would it increase quality, im also using 720/576 image size on a 32"LCD is this ok? or can i get it better

[17:31:08]

scopeuk:

mythtv msut be responsable or sizable hard drive sales

[17:32:09]

Juski:

there'll come a point when you can no longer notice a difference in quality when you try increasing the bitrate. it depends on the source material

[17:32:38]

Juski:

scopeuk: between you & me I think broadband is more responsible

[17:33:41]

Juski:

oo now that'd be a good idea... have a live preview of the recording profile change in the setup screen.. could that be done? see the changes more easily....

[17:34:05]

scopeuk:

Juski yeh id have to agree

[17:34:33]

scopeuk:

mean i whoudent downlaod all these linux isos if i wasent on broudband

[17:34:41]

** Juski laughs **

[17:35:02]

scopeuk:

the funney thing is im beeign both serious and satrical

[17:35:03]

quicksil1er:

I think ipods and similar products have pushed the HD market too

[17:35:22]

Juski:

that's the number one reason given when people who are warned by their ISP to stop being a bandwidth hog & they whine on forums about it

[17:35:24]

scopeuk:

yeh bu not to the extent multi gigs in a day download capacities and tv cards have

[17:35:35]

quicksil1er:

tv cards are pretty niche, I think

[17:35:39]

scopeuk:

Juski i have around cable forum

[17:35:45]

Juski:

'game demos & linux distros'... a likely story!

[17:35:47]

quicksil1er:

must be 100x as many people with ipod-a-likes as with tv cards

[17:35:50]

quicksil1er:

if not 1000x

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Juski:

there aren't enough game demos & linux distros to account for 100GB downloads a month from one guy IMHO

[17:36:11]

scopeuk:

Juski ive been know to pull over 12 gig of linux and game demos in a cupple of weeks before

[17:36:14]

scopeuk:

and im beign serious here

[17:36:24]

scopeuk:

think i downlaoded all of fedora core and debian once

[17:36:28]

** Juski is highly skeptical **

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quicksil1er:

netinst ftw

[17:36:44]

scopeuk:

quicksil1er netinst is painfull when you have a slow conenction

[17:36:51]

scopeuk:

main machine is ofline for hours/days

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Juski:

time to catch some news & slob out on the couch

[17:37:13]

scopeuk:

cant fault you

[17:37:31]

scopeuk:

Juski on the common excuse i use to hang on cable forum ive heard em al

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ivor:

bhmph, nope debugreiserfs doesnt allow editing bad blocks.

[17:38:17]

Lin:

hi all!!... there is some module to mythtv to use browser and openoffice?

[17:38:32]

Juski:

beats me how anyone even has time to watch/play the amount of gear they download, but anyway...

[17:38:47]

Juski:

Lin: for web browsing (of sorts) there's mythbrowse

[17:38:57]

Juski:

and for openoffice.. there's nothing.

[17:39:14]

scopeuk:

Juski you dont it jsut sits adn rots on discs in the corner of the room

[17:39:20]

Lin:

Juski, the mythtv browser is a firefox window? or a gecko-like renderer in a mytv window?

[17:39:20]

Juski:

wordprocessing/spreadsheet work on a TV would SUCK, so nobody's done it

[17:39:40]

Juski:

Lin: it's adapted from Konqueror, I believe

[17:39:42]

Lin:

suck so bad as web surfing.

[17:39:54]

Lin:

the fonts are the main problem ;-)

[17:40:09]

Juski:

the limited size & resolution of a TV are the real problem

[17:40:12]

Lin:

btw, i just want display the images..

[17:40:30]

Juski:

but mythbrowse :)

[17:40:32]

Lin:

btw, i just want display the documents (doc/ppts)

[17:40:39]

Juski:

no you can't do that

[17:40:40]

Lin:

and pdfs too..

[17:40:59]

Juski:

I smell advertising

[17:41:08]

Lin:

just about be user friendly.

[17:41:11]

Zider:

*snif snif*

[17:41:16]

Zider:

oh that's me

[17:41:19]

Zider:

sorry

[17:41:24]

Lin:

I want to put this in a classroom with a video projector.

[17:41:40]

Juski:

well, nobody has written a document viewer for mythtv yet

[17:41:41]

Lin:

that is the reason about browsing and doc/ppt/pdf.

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Juski:

_yet_

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scopeuk:

lin if its going on a video projector then resolution and fonts shoudlent be a problem

[17:42:13]

Lin:

how difficult is put openoffice in a fullscreen window inside mythtv?

[17:42:25]

scopeuk:

how goods your c++

[17:42:28]

Lin:

scopeuk, yeah they are not.

[17:42:31]

Lin:

c++, bad.

[17:42:32]

scopeuk:

sorry c#

[17:42:39]

Lin:

c# far from it.

[17:42:43]

Lin:

C is good

[17:42:57]

Juski:

mythtv is c++ though isn't it?

[17:43:07]

Lin:

btw im good with cut'n'paste-fu

[17:43:23]

Juski:

anyway it's academic... there is no document viewer. I've said that enough times now so it should be crystal clear ;)

[17:43:24]

scopeuk:

the plugins are one or the other

[17:44:17]

Lin:

MythTV runs under X right? its behave like a window manager, right?

[17:44:30]

Juski:

no mythtv is an application, not a window manager

[17:44:39]

Lin:

hmm.

[17:44:45]

Juski:

but you can get mythtv to open other applications by modifying the menu xml files

[17:45:14]

Lin:

if it does this.. where the application will appear? 0.0+0+0?

[17:45:26]

Lin:

(i forgot X geometry sintax)

[17:45:29]

Juski:

you could, I suppose use mythvideo (of all things) and assign .doc, .pdf etc files to launch a suitable viewer program

[17:46:24]

Juski:

now there's something for you to try

[17:46:30]

Lin:

Juski, I will

[17:47:35]

Lin:

i can run a fullscreen kind of window manager to manage windows. and allow app. change

[17:47:54]

Lin:

or this will not have a good behavior inside mythtv?

[17:48:04]

Juski:

it should not be a problem

[17:48:37]

Juski:

the app you launch from mythtv should appear on top, and if your window manager works properly, window focus will return to mythtv when the new app closes

[17:48:38]

Lin:

good.. I think that I have a solution here. then I can change from oo.o to mythtv and backwards

[17:48:57]

Lin:

if I make somethink "useful" I will post somewhere.

[17:49:02]

Lin:

thing

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** Juski points at wiki.mythtv.org ;) **

[17:49:28]

Lin:

Juski, ok. Thank you for help and information.

[17:49:35]

Juski:

I do try :)

[17:49:43]

Juski:

definitely time to slouch on the sofa now

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Juski:

oh wait

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scopeuk:

could go over kill adn run oo in a seperate x instance and switch with ctrl + alt + Fn

[17:49:54]

Kelerion:

evening all

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Lin:

What is a good (i mean good) hardware for mythtv

[17:49:57]

** Juski press-gangs Kelerion **

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Kelerion:

ut oh

[17:50:03]

** Kelerion chuckles **

[17:50:05]

ivor:

aha! http://www.namesys.com/bad-block-handling.html

[17:50:14]

Kelerion:

btw Juski: program I was trying to remember the name of the other day? ZoneMinder

[17:50:22]

Juski:

oh yeah! duh...

[17:50:23]

scopeuk:

Kelerion i have no idea why but when you do that i get an image of a small child gigling

[17:50:32]

Juski:

musta been the beer/brain interface problem

[17:50:38]

** Kelerion chuckles at scopeuk **

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Lin:

i cannot manage (send requests) to oo in another X sessions AFAIK.

[17:50:45]

Kelerion:

Juski: yup.. lol

[17:51:00]

Kelerion:

what am I being press ganged into? lol

[17:51:24]

Juski:

Kelerion: the 'help make mythtv totally rock in ubuntu' team, if you're willing :)

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Lin:

Juski, where is this team?

[17:51:50]

Lin:

I want join.. Im ubuntu fan (for desktop use)

[17:51:57]

Kelerion:

yup...absolutely... thought I was the only one interested.. lol

[17:52:19]

ivor:

I thought we were insisting it was kubuntu.... :)

[17:52:25]

Juski:

Lin: what we're going to try to do is try to make sure mythtv is as easy and as smooth to install in ubuntu, as possible

[17:52:27]

Lin:

I didn't like kubuntu . :-)

[17:52:36]

Kelerion:

then theres a first step

[17:52:38]

ivor:

blasphemer!

[17:52:40]

Lin:

i didn't like the K lether anyway!

[17:52:41]

Juski:

ubuntu/kubuntu/potato/potato :)

[17:52:43]

Lin:

letter

[17:53:02]

Lin:

ivor, no im not! ;-)

[17:53:02]

Juski:

it's all good :) But even I prefer KDE

[17:53:03]

Kelerion:

I need a list of all the people that use ubuntu... their setups..and what problems they had when installing

[17:53:03]

ivor:

them potatos look the same to me.

[17:53:22]

Lin:

ivor, i can try in a few minutes (after lunch)

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ivor:

9 out of 10 cats prefer KDE.

[17:53:43]

ivor:

its a proven fact.

[17:53:46]

** Kelerion laughs **

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Juski:

Kelerion: that'd be a start. is there an email addy I'm more likely to be seen on? ;-)

[17:54:05]

Lin:

9 out of 10 human beings prefer GNOME!

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Kelerion:

thats the one.. I'll get it

[17:54:12]

Juski:

oh god no

[17:54:18]

Kelerion:

I *do* read them yanno.. lol

[17:54:31]

Lin:

afk to lunch.

[17:54:32]

Juski:

Kelerion: heheh. expect mail tonight then :)

[17:54:46]

Kelerion:

so...spread the word.. email those details to craig@8010.co.uk

[17:54:47]

Juski:

Lin – that's great.. start a DE war, then leave... heh

[17:55:03]

Lin:

any news about ubuntu-mythtv task force.. send me a mail.. morgado.igor@gmail.com

[17:55:08]

Lin:

send flames to my mail!

[17:55:14]

ivor:

Lin: just join the channel

[17:55:21]

Juski:

oh yeah

[17:55:28]

Juski:

#ubuntu-mythtv

[17:55:44]

Juski:

forgot that was hiding under CTRL-N

[17:56:10]

Kelerion:

you setup a new channel?

[17:56:14]

Juski:

it's not a support channel btw... not as such anyway

[17:56:24]

jduggan:

Juski: do you use external channgel change commands?

[17:56:31]

jduggan:

for a stb

[17:56:34]

Kelerion:

jduggan: I do

[17:56:36]

Juski:

jduggan: yes I do thanks

[17:56:41]

jduggan:

Juski: cool

[17:56:44]

jduggan:

:P

[17:56:48]

jduggan:

ok

[17:57:04]

Lin:

anyone know a good wireless card to linux? I want to work as AP.

[17:57:22]

Juski:

is there such a good thing as a good wireless card full stop?

[17:57:25]

Kelerion:

contents of such says '/usr/local/bin/red_eye "$1"' and thats it... I need to refine that.. lol

[17:57:30]

Juski:

I mean, apart from a dead one...

[17:57:38]

scopeuk:

Juski wirless in its own right is evil and crap

[17:57:51]

Kelerion:

I use wireless every day... am using it now...

[17:57:57]

Juski:

anyway must go.. couchy needs me :)

[17:58:02]

** Kelerion chuckles **

[17:58:02]

scopeuk:

Juski wonder how a usb wifi dongle would tkae to a mains socket

[17:58:12]

Kelerion:

thats it..leave Me to the rabble...cheers :P

[17:58:15]

Lin:

Kelerion, what is your pci card?

[17:58:31]

jduggan:

specifically, my change_channel script runs from the cmd line ./change_channel 101 for example will change to channel 101 (bbc1).. in mythtv-setup i just use '/usr/bin/channel_change'? and it takes argv1? (101) from the input'd numbers in my remote? or does it work differently

[17:58:35]

Kelerion:

dlink one.. using ndiswrapper.. not a great approach but the result is excellent

[17:58:53]

Lin:

i fear dniswrapper.. too much complicated

[17:58:58]

Kelerion:

bah

[17:59:07]

Lin:

I looking for a Dlink G520

[17:59:11]

Lin:

aetheros.

[17:59:21]

Kelerion:

Lin: thats the one I have I think

[17:59:22]

ivor:

and everytime someone uses ndiswrapper, a little puppy dies.

[17:59:41]

jduggan:

Lin: a cheap belkin desktop pci from pcworld worked fine for me under linux

[17:59:45]

Kelerion:

ok ok..so it's *morally* wrong.. but till a better solution appears? I'll stick with it :)

[17:59:47]

Lin:

AFAIK 520 works without ndis. there is madwifi module.

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jduggan:

took some work gettin drivers enabled though

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Kelerion:

that might be my pcmcia.. can't remember.. I have pcmcia,pci and AP all dlink

[18:00:42]

Kelerion:

and the wireless intel thats in my laptop that ubuntu just *loved*

[18:00:56]

Lin:

:-D

[18:01:03]

Lin:

rbye

[18:01:13]

Kelerion:

it did...recognised it during install...even let me configure it for the updates

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jduggan:

Kelerion: can you read my above statement/question regarding external channel changers pls

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Kelerion:

jduggan thats correct.. myth passes the channel number as first arg.. you use that in your script

[18:04:37]

Kelerion:

guys...about this ubuntu-myth thing.. I need specifics... make/model etc of mobo/gfx/drives/remotes/tv etc etc...

[18:04:41]

jduggan:

kelerion ok so what do i put in mythtv-setup just the name of the script or do i use $i for arg in the setpu also?

[18:04:59]

GreyFoxx:

Cool, there is a XFCE based ubuntu now. I might actually try that out

[18:05:08]

Kelerion:

in myth just use "/usr/local/bin/change_channel"

[18:05:22]

Kelerion:

then in that script "my_change_prog $1"

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Kelerion:

GreyFoxx: link?

[18:05:37]

jduggan:

aah, yea ic

[18:05:55]

GreyFoxx:

http://www.xubuntu.org/

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Kelerion:

oh.. duh...read that wrong... thought you said XFCE Ubuntu based Myth Distro or something.. lol

[18:07:18]

Kelerion:

yeah.. I think that came out with the breezy.. but don't quote me on it

[18:07:43]

Kelerion:

I looked into it too... really small footprint for a myth box...

[18:08:44]

GreyFoxx:

I am not a KDE or GNOME fan, and XFCE is what I currently use on my desktops (some are IceWM but mostly XFCE)

[18:08:45]

Kelerion:

don't know much about xfce though... I use it on my colo servers... but thats because they are freebsd and I couldn't be bothered trying to get gnome on them.. lol

[18:09:34]

GreyFoxx:

though admittedly for me any window manager that has an icon to launch an xterm, and 1 for firefoxx is enough for me :)

[18:09:37]

Kelerion:

it's quick.. *really* quick...and to be honest if I used it it would probably do just about everything I would want.. just never really looked into it

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Kelerion:

GreyFoxx: same as me then.. and one for thunderbird... it's about all I use...

[18:10:30]

jduggan:

Kelerion: may i see your channel change script please?

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GreyFoxx:

Kelerion: YEah

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GreyFoxx:

and I have to be able to map keys to jump to other desktops. F1-F4 to my virtual desktops. After that it's all gravy :)

[18:10:59]

Kelerion:

jduggan: it's one line

[18:11:39]

GreyFoxx:

So is 6.10 the "Edgy" I see people referring to? Or is that something different altogether ?

[18:11:48]

Kelerion:

nope..thats Edgy

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GreyFoxx:

k thought so

[18:12:03]

Kelerion:

jduggan: http://pastebin.ca/231225

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Kelerion:

which is getting installed this weekend if I find the time

[18:12:24]

Kelerion:

GreyFoxx: I do have one weekness though

[18:12:40]

Kelerion:

I love xgl/compiz... I love showing ppl it...

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Kelerion:

have turned at least 6 ppl I know to linux simply because of that

[18:13:20]

scopeuk:

Kelerion do you not get any why the hell whould you want to do the cube trick looks?

[18:13:25]

GreyFoxx:

hehe I haven't seen anything but a movie of it :)

[18:13:29]

scopeuk:

ebcsoue thatwasthe first thought i has when i saw it

[18:13:49]

scopeuk:

then again i find that for alot of what i do cli is so much quicker and easier

[18:13:49]

Kelerion:

scopeuk: not when I put my todo list on the top face.. no

[18:14:22]

Kelerion:

scopeuk: agreed..and when I'm working? I use cli all the time.. but it is *great* for demoing..

[18:14:36]

Kelerion:

and there *are* practical uses

[18:14:43]

jduggan:

Kelerion: aah, thats easier, i was tryin to hack the change channel scripts to take argv1 input from other than stdin :o

[18:15:04]

jduggan:

which uhm, is silly

[18:15:35]

scopeuk:

jduggan jsut a little

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Kelerion:

jduggan: no super reliable.. but it works.. i have another somewhere that gets all funky and sends it about 3 times but releases the script back to myth straight away... got messy though..

[18:16:04]

scopeuk:

Kelerion i dont rearly ave any playful linux boxes atm there all their to do specific jobs i belvei my server is gonan be shortly reinstalled minus gui

[18:16:21]

scopeuk:

only ever use the thig though ssh

[18:16:34]

Kelerion:

scopeuk: thats what my laptop is for :)

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jduggan:

hmm

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scopeuk:

Kelerion the second most powerfull bxo icna lay my hands on and do what i like to is a 433 celeron

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scopeuk:

the first is my desktop and theres no way in hell i can dual boot atm im far to short of disc space

[18:18:38]

jduggan:

mythtv doesnt send the channel change to the irblaster.. but it think it has changed the channel because an opaque window opens which i assume should show a tv guide (dont have tvguides working yet)

[18:18:49]

Kelerion:

I work from home.. so I can justify the dozens of pc's I run here... plus the wife doesn't mind because they go towards getting the money in each month.. lol

[18:19:08]

jduggan:

it works from the cmd line though

[18:19:49]

jduggan:

2006-10–31 18:16:57.488 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 101.

[18:20:00]

jduggan:

why does mythtv fail?

[18:20:09]

Kelerion:

I have.. in total..47 pc's in this house.. admittedly 25 of them are p1's I bought to play with as a cluster but never got around to it.. but they are there.. lol

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jduggan:

Kelerion: any idea how i can debug this?

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Hoxzer:

is there any way to "kick out" live tv wacher if some record is supose to start and no free tuners are avaible

[18:25:22]

GreyFoxx:

It use to popup a window telling you a recording was coming and ask if you wanted to keep watching livetv or let the backend record your show

[18:25:28]

GreyFoxx:

It doesn't do that anymore ?

[18:25:46]

GreyFoxx:

Or do you mean if noone is there to respond force livetv to close ?

[18:25:58]

Hoxzer:

well, at least I haven't notice it

[18:26:16]

Hoxzer:

I dont watch live tv too much but my parents do

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GreyFoxx:

I never use LiveTV so I wouldn't have encountered it

[18:26:20]

GreyFoxx:

But it use to do it

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jduggan:

Kelerion: can ya help me figure this out pls?

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scopeuk:

Kelerion you have more than me

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scopeuk:

pcs that is

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scopeuk:

thats quite a bad sign normally

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scopeuk:

i have 15+ celleron 433s to abuse

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jduggan:

shit, where'd you get them all from

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scopeuk:

have a friend who refits networks for a living and he has to pay to dispose of them

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scopeuk:

so its mutualyl benifitial

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jduggan:

lol

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jduggan:

could setup a nice cluster with those

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scopeuk:

yeh if i could finda spot / get them bac kto uni with me

[18:43:04]

jduggan:

scopeuk: do you use external channgel changer cmds in mythtv?

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scopeuk:

jduggan nope sorry

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jduggan:

my dvdrom drive spins very loudly when playing dvd's so much so, its annoying to watch dvd's using mythtv.. do new dvdrom drives sound so loud when spinning?

[18:45:36]

jduggan:

this one is a few years old that i recycled from a 5/6 year old machine

[18:45:37]

mchou:

jduggan: nope

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daedalus_:

jduggan: depends on the company. Most drives are very quiet.

[18:45:55]

mchou:

jduggan: but dvd drives can be loud

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mchou:

on initial spin-up

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jduggan:

mchou: howcome standalone dvd players are absolutely silent

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mchou:

once they are spinning they are quieter

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mchou:

jduggan: that's because they got better isolation

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mchou:

and they arent mounted high up in a chasis

[18:47:20]

mchou:

less vibrational magnification

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jduggan:

mchou: yea it is certainly quieter once its span up, but i can still hear it over the tv audio

[18:47:44]

jduggan:

maybe not over, but as background noise, its anoyying

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Lin:

database is mandatory in myth?

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daedalus_:

jduggan: Sometimes computer DVD drives attempt to read-ahead in anticipation of the computer asking for more data. This can sometimes cause the drive to continuously spin up/down. This sort of behaviour is desirable for data DVDs, but not so for movies. DVD players have the luxury of being optimized for movies, so they don't read-ahead nearly as much.

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mchou:

jduggan: not to mention stand alones generally spin slower

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** scopeuk wodners if puttign it in a caddy and gaffer taping it to the floor would work **

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jduggan:

scopeuk: well i was wondering whether an external dvd drive would be quieter

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jduggan:

and since they're cheap these days

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jduggan:

might be worth it

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scopeuk:

jduggan its qestionable havent got much experience with em

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daedalus_:

jduggan: A new drive period would probably be quieter. Not sure that internal or external would change much

[18:49:43]

jduggan:

plus, i can hide the case behind my TV stand and have the external drive in the stand on my av receiver

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scopeuk:

could make quite a nice looking myth rig by burryign your box behind the set and jsut havign a standalone dvd drive udner your tv

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jduggan:

nod

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jduggan:

thats what i mean scopeuk :)

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scopeuk:

jduggan yeh i was still typign it when you sent

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jduggan:

hehe

[18:51:14]

jduggan:

damnit tv_grab_rt is still bust

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scopeuk:

jduggan whats the error

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scopeuk:

becouse there was oen a while back where they used soem old perl syntex and it fruked it

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scopeuk:

was a patch floating about for it

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jduggan:

scopeuk: xmltv.org says its a grab error

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jduggan:

bad line in channel list: at /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk_rt line 194.

[18:54:32]

jduggan:

probably radiotimes fault?

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scopeuk:

194 jut give me a sec

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scopeuk:

soudns scarilly liek one i had a while back

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Lin:

2006-10–31 15:55:37.657 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.

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Lin:

oq isso significa?

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Lin:

sorry

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Lin:

what this means?

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GreyFoxx:

Lin: The database is required, not sure if anyone else replied

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scopeuk:

jduggan might be

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scopeuk:

is it spittign out undefine option in options spec or some such nonsense?

[19:01:09]

jduggan:

scopeuk: its not doing anything

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jduggan:

if i run from cmd line i get 'finding channels' then right away it prints that error

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scopeuk:

hmm you got a channel list lyign round for it?

[19:04:21]

jduggan:

unfortunately not

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jduggan:

i havent got round to configuring tv guides untill today, then i find this problem :P

[19:04:52]

jduggan:

xmltv.org reports errors

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jduggan:

with uk_rt

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jduggan:

my external channel changer script is not working... i also had a line in there with ivtvctl to fix my audio but its not running this either.. mythbackend.log says unable to change channel to 101 i think because its not calling the script?

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Juski:

jduggan: did you make the script executable?

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jduggan:

its not perms on the script

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jduggan:

i even set it as 777

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jduggan:

my script works fine from the cmd line

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jduggan:

i have another bash script called irchange which basically is a bash script calling '/usr/bin/channel_change $1'... then mythtv-setup i use 'irchange' as my external channel change cmd

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Juski:

jduggan: did you put the full path in there ?

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spiderworm:

anyone know what "Not Listed" means in mythtv?

[19:10:01]

spiderworm:

some of my upcoming recordings are showing "Not Listed"

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Juski:

spiderworm: in where?

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Juski:

probably means they're not mentioned in the programme guide

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jduggan:

Juski yep

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Juski:

jduggan: can the user mythbackend is running as, run your script ?

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spiderworm:

Juski: if they're not in the program guide, why are they listed in upcoming recordings at all?

[19:11:05]

spiderworm:

Juski: it has a date, time, & channel for each of them

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Juski:

spiderworm: because the upcoming recording is a time slot, maybe?

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Juski:

and it's likely there's no data for that show in the EPG.... you should check that

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Saci_:

exist mythtv in rpm format to install ?

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kormoc:

Saci_, google knows

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jams:

heh I was asked to leave a store cause I was asking to many questions

[19:16:15]

jams:

I was gonna buy the product, but oh well

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GreyFoxx:

What? That;'s crazy

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GreyFoxx:

What was it ?

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GreyFoxx:

How can you be asking too many questions?

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jams:

a managed switch

[19:18:23]

jams:

it was a used computer store. They guy didn't know any of the answers

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kormoc:

so wait, rather then saying, 'I just don't know', they asked you to leave?

[19:19:08]

jams:

yep

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jams:

first time in that store. I won't be going back

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Juski:

I used to get that a lot til I stopped going into dullard shops. when they didn't know I was usually refused my request to see the product manual.. not very helpful

[19:20:01]

Juski:

Kelerion: did you succeed in getting in touch with mr barbaccia?

[19:20:13]

jams:

I asked for the speed of the ports, if they had the stacking cables

[19:20:43]

jams:

and when I asked what speed the fibre connection was, I was asked to leave

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Lin:

I think that myth frontend should have a filesystem browser, integrated with boxes asking for a directory or file.

[19:21:12]

GreyFoxx:

Lin: For what ?

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Lin:

GreyFoxx, user friendly

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GreyFoxx:

No, A filesystem browser to browse for what ?

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Juski:

so users can go in & delete files willy-nilly, of course

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GreyFoxx:

Videos to play ?

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Lin:

where is my music directory

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Juski:

it's where you left it

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Lin:

or my pictures folder

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GreyFoxx:

Oh, for setup ?

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Lin:

i mean.. a box without a Xterm

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Juski:

i.e. in utils/setup > setup > media settings > music > general

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GreyFoxx:

What does an xterm have to do with it ?

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Juski:

doesn't really _need_ a browser IMHO

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GreyFoxx:

In myth to go to the settings, tell it where stuff is?

[19:23:06]

GreyFoxx:

Or do you mean just a browser to stop you frtom having to type it in ?

[19:23:14]

Lin:

with a xterm I can cd/find/everything else on my linux box. without one I have to "discover" where they are.

[19:23:35]

Lin:

GreyFoxx, a browser to help me whyle typing.

[19:23:38]

Lin:

while.

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Juski:

I think most people just _decide_ where the files are going to live, then there's no "discovery" involved

[19:23:50]

GreyFoxx:

Juski: I agree

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx who maintains the grabber inerop with mythtv-setup?

[19:24:10]

Juski:

but that's a point that is missed in most howto documents

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Lin:

Juski, that is just my opnion.

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: No specific person.

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|Torg|:

its hanging on adding new soruces to the grabbers

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|Torg|:

looks like it needs to pass another command line opt to the grabber or it waits on input

[19:25:23]

Lin:

my mythbrowser hang with a sigsegv

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Juski:

well Lin everybody is entitled to an opinion

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GreyFoxx:

One of these days I'll actually install mythbrowser . So far I've never compiled it in :)

[19:25:55]

Juski:

whether or not a feature gets included, however.. that depends on the opinions of the developers ;)

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Lin:

Juski, btw i think that one more feature never hurts.

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Juski:

one more feature never hurts? heh... have you ever counted the amout of menus in mythtv? ;)

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Lin:

yeah.. I was thinking exactly about it.. how to reduce them.

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Juski:

it's already being worked on

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Juski:

and there are some people like me who do not want to see any options to configure stuff removed

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Lin:

there is anyway to run myth in windowed mode?

[19:28:07]

Juski:

yes

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|Torg|:

yes its a confgig option

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: What exactly is it you are attempting to do? Add a new grabber ?

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Juski:

try in the 'appearance' menu

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Lin:

I will try.. soon my music database scan finish.

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|Torg|:

yes GreyFoxx, I put in an old bt878 card to play with, it needs a DD source for cable (whats plugeed in is analog cable)

[19:28:52]

jams:

that reminds me, need to sumbit that patch so the theme isn't reloaded everytime you exit the appearance menu

[19:28:58]

jams:

it's most annoying

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|Torg|:

trussing the process I found it hanging on perl and external xmltv scripts

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|Torg|:

running those script by hand revelaed it is looking for input

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Juski:

|Torg|: that's the bit where it appears to 'hang' at 50% ?

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|Torg|:

so my guess is mythtv-setup needs to pass some command line option xmltv is looking for

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GreyFoxx:

You can also get myth to run in a window from the commandline if you don't wanna have to change it in the settings menus

[19:29:52]

GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: North america? using zap2it ?

[19:29:55]

|Torg|:

no juski the GUI shows nothing, output shows nothing on a -v all

[19:29:59]

GreyFoxx:

Or actually using an xmltv grabber ?

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|Torg|:

yes GreyFoxx

[19:30:10]

GreyFoxx:

Ok, no xmtlv stuff is used with DD

[19:30:11]

|Torg|:

no as its trying to see what capabilites the grabbs have

[19:30:29]

|Torg|:

oh I know that, I *fixed* it my killing the perl process :)

[19:30:43]

Juski:

some xmltv grabbers also have an option now to pass UI info back & forth now – it'd be very cool to integrate that somehow

[19:31:10]

|Torg|:

but mythtv-set just sat there waiting on its child perl process to finish

[19:31:19]

Juski:

now, what was I gonna do tonight again? ahhh yes... get the dvb radio channels into mythtv & set up a new video source for EIT

[19:31:27]

Lin:

there is someway to propagate mythtv configuration or all mythtv clients access the same database to make configuration easier? because I have to deploy 160 mythtv stations

[19:31:50]

|Torg|:

Lin the backends?

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GreyFoxx:

Lin: They all access the same database, but some settings are done per frontend (they each have a unique entry in the database)

[19:32:07]

Juski:

Lin: ouch. did you read the terms & conditions for the tv programme guide grabber you're going to be using?

[19:32:28]

Lin:

im not using programme guide grabber.

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GreyFoxx:

He;s running it in a school

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Lin:

yes I am

[19:32:45]

Juski:

okay.. just they're only for personal use, that's all :)

[19:33:04]

Lin:

im in a school.

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GreyFoxx:

Lin: I'd say configure one, then wrote a perl app to pull the settings and reinput them for each of the frontends. There is no really simple way to do it

[19:33:18]

Lin:

hmm.

[19:33:26]

GreyFoxx:

But the perl way, If you know perl should only take a few minutes

[19:33:34]

Juski:

should be easy

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|Torg|:

perl hell, use mysqldump and vi :P

[19:33:38]

Lin:

all configurations stay on database?

[19:33:39]

jams:

it is easy

[19:33:44]

GreyFoxx:

Lin: Yes

[19:33:50]

Juski:

I think this would make an excellent case study for mythtv too :)

[19:33:51]

Lin:

bash for scripts, c for programs

[19:33:53]

jams:

wrote the same thing as part of my install app

[19:33:57]

GreyFoxx:

I meant there is no button for it :)

[19:33:58]

Lin:

that is my way of life

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|Torg|:

mysqldump mythconverg, edit the setings table, mysql < whatever.sql

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jduggan:

does mythbackend detect when hd space is low and auto delete old/low priority recordings?

[19:34:11]

Lin:

ok.

[19:34:18]

Juski:

<< forever thinking of PR value these days ;)

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|Torg|:

I do it for specifc settings liek playing with 1080i or 720p sizings all the time

[19:34:28]

GreyFoxx:

I'd rather a "settingscopy.pl oldfe newfe" and have it do it :)

[19:34:30]

Anduin:

jduggan: It can

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Juski:

jduggan: yes and it's called autoexpire

[19:34:51]

jduggan:

autoexpire watches HD space?

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Juski:

yup

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jduggan:

ah ok

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|Torg|:

autoexpire is trigerd by no HD space

[19:35:06]

GreyFoxx:

jduggan: Yes it does

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Juski:

or age of recordings... you can configure it

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|Torg|:

it will dutifully delte friles, oldest first according to priority

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GreyFoxx:

autoexpiry happens automatically for livetv after 24 hours, and when the drive space gets below your configured limit

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Lin:

how much disk intensive is mythconverg table? Im thinking about to have only one database for all 160 stations. I can do backups better in this way, and lost all my system (coffe, coke, cookies, water, etc) will not make a big damage, just plug and FAI will do the job.

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GreyFoxx:

Lin: Not very really

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Lin:

one database server.. 160 databases .

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jams:

Lin- when you copy the settings make sure the theme is installed on all the boxes, else screwy things can happen

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Juski:

Lin: just one database but 160 frontend settings :)

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|Torg|:

Lin if you access the table mysql thorws it into memory, each subsiqnet access comes from memory

[19:36:09]

GreyFoxx:

Lin: No, one database serfver, 1 database, 160 clients

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|Torg|:

its not untill you WRITE to the database it goes back to the disk

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|Torg|:

do you plan on having all 160 clients acccess it at once?

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Lin:

what is te biggest playlist tested on myth player? (i think that my 80.000 musics will not work fine)

[19:37:29]

scopeuk:

if so big db server

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Lin:

|Torg|, yes.. at once..

[19:37:46]

|Torg|:

like scopeuk said, use a seperate DB server

[19:37:52]

Juski:

that's a lot of connections to look after

[19:37:55]

Lin:

all then turned on. at same time all day.. one computer per classroom.

[19:37:58]

|Torg|:

baiscly it needs lots of memory

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GreyFoxx:

Lin: You can help things by increasing the query cache size on the sql database, plus each frontend will cache it's settings, and only look them up once

[19:38:05]

Lin:

I have big servers here.

[19:38:39]

Juski:

Lin: I have over 50Gb of music and it works fine

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|Torg|:

its not a TPS issue, its a store the client access and its tables issue

[19:39:12]

Lin:

sure

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Juski:

a very ambitious project for a new mythtv user, I'll say

[19:39:22]

Lin:

Wow.. nice interface!

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|Torg|:

myth dosnt do anything fancy with mysql other then its rather budomsome on OLTP esp with that damn EIT grabber

[19:39:29]

Lin:

congratulations

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Juski:

what did you expect?

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Lin:

Juski, im a new myth user.. but an old unix administrator.

[19:40:05]

Lin:

i can deal with big challenges.

[19:40:08]

Lin:

i love them.

[19:40:08]

Juski:

it's designed to be used on TVs in people's houses ;)

[19:40:29]

GreyFoxx:

I would love to take on that task of setting up that many boxes. That would be very interesting

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|Torg|:

its posible if you have all 160 start up at once you could have locking issues as each is asking for its settings

[19:40:47]

GreyFoxx:

More to test the scalability than anything

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Juski:

like I said this would make a fantastic case study

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|Torg|:

other then tht use mysql5 over mysql4 for its locking

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jduggan:

someone should rewrite mythmusic, am i the only person that thinks the ui and general use of it is the suck?

[19:41:20]

Juski:

has anyone else ever tried to take mythtv to its limits?

[19:41:23]

Juski:

jduggan: ssssh

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GreyFoxx:

jduggan: Lots do, but non who do seem to submit any code to change it :)

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|Torg|:

Juski other hten 4 tuners cards, no

[19:41:59]

Lin:

what is the demo button on music player window?

[19:42:14]

Lin:

it locked up my interface

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** Juski is going to mock-up some video of how he thinks mythmusic could be improved **

[19:42:24]

Juski:

the 'demo' button?!

[19:42:37]

Juski:

visualisation, maybe..

[19:42:53]

Lin:

it locked up my mythv screen.

[19:42:54]

GreyFoxx:

Lin: Seriously though, multiple backends ( to spread the diskIO and network bandwidth), and good size mysql query cache and it should work

[19:42:59]

|Torg|:

Lin how famialiar are you with mysql?

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scopeuk:

Juski mocking stuff up is easy implimentation now thats a whole other pita

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Lin:

|Torg|, a little. im not database administrator.

[19:43:20]

Lin:

im more to a network administrator and programmer.

[19:43:25]

Juski:

scopeuk: no but if a developer has something to go on.. something concrete...

[19:43:30]

|Torg|:

its default is ISAM tables, wich do tabel level locking

[19:43:44]

|Torg|:

you will run into serious contivity issues if you start up 160 cleints with ISAM tables

[19:43:46]

Juski:

lots of people say mythmusic could be better but not many can even suggest _how_ to make it better

[19:43:54]

Lin:

i can use innodb

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|Torg|:

its what I was going to suggest :)

[19:44:11]

Juski:

and there's someone I talked to today who seems willing to take it on :)

[19:44:19]

Juski:

so we'll see what happens

[19:44:19]

Lin:

:-D

[19:44:20]

GreyFoxx:

Juski: really? Nice

[19:44:30]

Lin:

Juski, did you saw amarok interface?

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Lin:

I simply love the left side on context window

[19:44:45]

Juski:

Lin: no good for using with a remote control, and it's too small for a TV

[19:44:47]

jduggan:

Juski: seems to me rather difficult to navigate/understand.. would be nice for an easy way to create playlists by adding directories and/or individual tracks and saving those playlists

[19:44:55]

jduggan:

then adding playlists/tracks on teh fly

[19:44:56]

robbins876:

mythbackend was just no using 95% of my systems resources... i shut it down. Why did it do this all of the sudden?

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jduggan:

Juski: i thought the interface was so poor i actually could be bothered to play with it

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jduggan:

couldnt*

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Juski:

jduggan: well boo-hoo :)

[19:45:31]

Lin:

Juski, thinking about a collection of discs. not a file collection

[19:45:45]

Lin:

Juski, join them in discs / per music group

[19:45:52]

Juski:

Lin: you could do that

[19:45:58]

Lin:

Juski, with well tagged files its lovely

[19:46:11]

Lin:

and browsing them with the covers

[19:46:18]

Lin:

not with the names only.

[19:46:20]

Juski:

wait til I have a chance to do my mockup

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Juski:

then you'll see

[19:46:47]

Juski:

and I only agreed to do this because I was drunk last Tuesday night :-P

[19:46:50]

Lin:

mythbrowser is crashing.. any tips?

[19:48:05]

Lin:

something about libqt-mt

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** GreyFoxx starts to ponder how he would install a setup with 160 frontends **

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GreyFoxx:

Lin: Are all the frontends identical?

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CrocoJet:

where I can find repository to install mithtv suite ?

[19:49:38]

CrocoJet:

in fc6

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Lin:

GreyFoxx, how could I know? Im using ubuntu packages.

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GreyFoxx:

Lin: I just mean is the hardware in each going to be identical or will it be a variety of machines ?

[19:50:08]

Lin:

identical.

[19:50:14]

Lin:

at first time.

[19:50:17]

GreyFoxx:

that simplifies things greatly

[19:50:20]

Lin:

but can change after some years.

[19:50:22]

CrocoJet:

or to Fedora core 5

[19:50:27]

Lin:

who knows..

[19:50:32]

GreyFoxx:

even just a couple standard sets of machines is much easier than 160 individual different machines

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[19:50:46]

Kelerion:

what'd I miss?

[19:50:46]

GreyFoxx:

how many backends/recording sources ?

[19:50:49]

robbins876:

CrocoJet: atrpms has the packages

[19:50:50]

Lin:

we will buy 160 dell workstations.

[19:50:56]

Lin:

no recording.. just viewing.

[19:50:59]

GreyFoxx:

ok

[19:51:18]

GreyFoxx:

Hmmm, so no recording at all? Just playing stuff with MythVideo ?

[19:51:30]

CrocoJet:

robbins876, problems are dependencies to make download and installation

[19:51:46]

Lin:

myth video, mythplayer, mythbrowser, myth photo, and "mythoffice" ;-)

[19:51:52]

GreyFoxx:

okie

[19:52:06]

CrocoJet:

robbins876, exist repository atrpms to work with yum ?

[19:52:09]

Kelerion:

160 what? frontends?

[19:52:10]

robbins876:

CrocoJet: What problems/dependancies?

[19:52:15]

GreyFoxx:

Kelerion: Yup

[19:52:18]

Lin:

Kelerion, yes.

[19:52:39]

Kelerion:

on ubuntu?

[19:52:42]

Lin:

yes

[19:52:46]

Kelerion:

excellent

[19:52:50]

CrocoJet:

robbins876, well I made install mythtv-0.20–143.fc5.at.i386.rpm ... is ok

[19:53:05]

robbins876:

Uhh... I installed everything from yum, I didn't have to build anything

[19:53:05]

GreyFoxx:

I'd be aweful tempted to go diskless on those myself. With a beefy enoug fileserver(s)

[19:53:05]

Kelerion:

and the backend setup will be?

[19:53:05]

Lin:

i want to put linux on everything here.

[19:53:14]

Kelerion:

GreyFoxx: was just thinking same

[19:53:18]

Lin:

there is a lot of people trying to XP everything too.

[19:53:37]

GreyFoxx:

pxe/netboot, tftp/whatever your specific hostname mysql.txt and go

[19:53:38]

Lin:

then.. I have to put a better, bigger, and beautier project than just XP with windvd software

[19:53:43]

Kelerion:

nightmare maintenance without a single image to update

[19:53:57]

Dibblah:

Lin: How about just... Cheaper?

[19:54:06]

|Torg|:

Kelerion not really, if you use a provisioning agent, or create one via ssh

[19:54:14]

Lin:

Dibblah, cheaper is my last statement.. not the first

[19:54:17]

Dibblah:

That usually appeals to management :)

[19:54:18]

|Torg|:

cheaper is not an arguemnt, ROI is

[19:54:31]

Lin:

Dibblah, I hate TLAs

[19:54:37]

Kelerion:

yup

[19:54:40]

CrocoJet:

robbins876, for example .. I am trying to install "mythtv-suite-0.20–62.at.noarch.rpm" but getting some depedencies problems like "Missing Dependency: xmltv is needed by package mythtv-suite

[19:54:41]

CrocoJet:

Missing Dependency: mythtv-frontend >= 0.20 is needed by package mythtv-suite

[19:54:41]

CrocoJet:

Missing Dependency: myththemes >= 0.20 is needed by package mythtv-suite

[19:54:41]

CrocoJet:

Missing Dependency: mythplugins >= 0.20 is needed by package mythtv-suite

[19:54:41]

CrocoJet:

Missing Dependency: mythtv-theme-ProjectGrayhem >= 1.7 is needed by package mythtv-suite

[19:54:42]

CrocoJet:

Missing Dependency: mythmkmovie >= 1.0.1 is needed by package mythtv-suite

[19:54:43]

Dibblah:

Talking to Management, cheaper ALWAYS wins. :(

[19:54:44]

CrocoJet:

Missing Dependency: mythtv-theme-sleek >= 0.35 is needed by package mythtv-suite

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|Torg|:

start off wuth feasability, show ROI and compare over 3 and 5 years to maintinance

[19:54:46]

CrocoJet:

Missing Dependency: mythtv-theme-purplegalaxy >= 0.20031214 is needed by package mythtv-suite

[19:54:48]

CrocoJet:

Missing Dependency: mythtv-theme-MediaCenter >= 0.17 is needed by package mythtv-suite

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Kelerion:

CrocoJet: pastebin

[19:54:50]

CrocoJet:

Missing Dependency: mythtv-theme-visor >= 1:0.13.1 is needed by package mythtv-suite

[19:54:50]

Kelerion:

!

[19:54:51]

Kelerion:

!

[19:54:52]

Kelerion:

!

[19:54:52]

GreyFoxx:

CrocoJet: Use pastebin please

[19:54:52]

CrocoJet:

Missing Dependency: mythtv-theme-abstract >= 0.20040610 is needed by package mythtv-suite

[19:54:54]

CrocoJet:

Missing Dependency: mythtv-backend >= 0.20 is needed by package mythtv-suite

[19:54:58]

CrocoJet:

Missing Dependency: mythtv >= 0.20 is needed by package mythtv-suite

[19:55:00]

CrocoJet:

Missing Dependency: mythtv-setup >= 0.20 is needed by package mythtv-suite

[19:55:02]

CrocoJet:

Missing Dependency: mythtv-theme-photo >= 4 is needed by package mythtv-suite"

[19:55:04]

CrocoJet:

Kelerion, ok, sorry

[19:55:05]

Dibblah:

CrocoJet: Don't be a dumbass. Damnit.

[19:55:06]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o GreyFoxx

[19:55:13]

Lin:

CrocoJet, use debian/ubuntu! and forget this dependency nightmare.

[19:55:30]

Lin:

wow.. someone got God powers!

[19:55:39]

Mode for #mythtv-users by GreyFoxx!i=greg@out.of.phaze.org : -o GreyFoxx

[19:55:46]

Kelerion:

just a warning :)

[19:55:50]

Lin:

I saw!

[19:55:51]

CrocoJet:

Sorry .. I did not see .. many lines

[19:55:53]

Lin:

i was afraid.

[19:56:07]

Dibblah:

CrocoJet: Use pastebin.ca next time.

[19:56:18]

CrocoJet:

Dibblah, ok, sorry .. :(

[19:56:19]

|Torg|:

Lin your from Brazil, correct?

[19:56:20]

Lin:

CrocoJet, as I told. debian/ubuntu.. and be happier.

[19:56:25]

Lin:

|Torg|, right! why?

[19:56:42]

|Torg|:

I belvie your government has already done the ROI study of Linux over XP

[19:56:52]

|Torg|:

and specialy over the Vista fiasco

[19:56:55]

CrocoJet:

Lin, but fedora have yum .. only need find repository

[19:57:02]

|Torg|:

do much of your battle has already been fought for you :)

[19:57:19]

|Torg|:

PC Conectado?

[19:57:26]

Lin:

|Torg|, im one of those fighters.. I was in FS consortim.

[19:57:38]

Lin:

dont tell me about it. ;-)

[19:57:44]

CrocoJet:

who use Fedora distro here ?

[19:57:53]

|Torg|:

ok then why do yo uneed to justify linux over XP then?

[19:58:01]

Lin:

Im hearing wind blowing.

[19:58:11]

Lin:

|Torg|, because they aren the government.

[19:58:30]

Lin:

|Torg|, because someone will earn money when deploy windows here

[19:58:34]

Anduin:

CrocoJet: Jarod's guide to installing MythTV has the info (atrpms)

[19:58:38]

Lin:

|Torg|, because they are afraid of changes.

[19:58:54]

CrocoJet:

Anduin, let me see

[19:58:54]

Lin:

|Torg|, because they are stupid.

[19:58:58]

Lin:

alot of reasons.

[19:59:18]

|Torg|:

so do like GreyFoxx said, make the frontends diskless and put them on a linux PXE boot server with wget to a randrive

[19:59:18]

Lin:

and why our IT management here is stupid.. very stupid.

[19:59:25]

|Torg|:

that way you have one image to maintain

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Kelerion:

hey...thats what I said! lol

[20:00:35]

|Torg|:

I successfully built a 4048 node grid that way

[20:00:41]

Lin:

|Torg|, second question. how much processing power/memory is needed to keep myth+dvd player+audio player+openoffice+browser?

[20:00:46]

Dibblah:

wget...? Uh huh.

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Dibblah:

I know NFS is new tech, but still ;)

[20:01:07]

|Torg|:

yes NFS died when we sacled it to 100 cleints booting at the same time

[20:01:11]

** Kelerion grins **

[20:01:18]

|Torg|:

NFS is OLDER then the hills, new my ass :P

[20:01:19]

Lin:

|Torg|, lol!

[20:01:23]

robbins876:

Anduin: You have any experience fixing non-working remote front-ends/networks?

[20:01:25]

|Torg|:

Lin is this standard tv?

[20:01:31]

Dibblah:

That was sarcasm, I'm afraid :)

[20:01:33]

Lin:

|Torg|, it was a joke.

[20:01:41]

|Torg|:

I know it was a joke :P

[20:01:47]

Lin:

|Torg|, sometimes 29' tv, sometimes projector, sometimes monitor.

[20:02:06]

Dibblah:

mtftp is more fun.

[20:02:11]

|Torg|:

Lin the requirements for SD are much lower, im more into the HDTV systems tho

[20:02:23]

Lin:

normal tvs

[20:02:29]

|Torg|:

GreyFoxx here has taken some appliacnes and many of these guys can tell you lower end reqs

[20:02:34]

Lin:

I was thinking about 1.2ghz cpu with 512 ram..

[20:02:37]

Dibblah:

Watch your UPS unexpectedly fail when the whole cluster gets to Bogomips calculations...

[20:03:06]

|Torg|:

watch yoru whole cluster fail when they dont have a colling unit that can puch that much air onto 4 tiles :)

[20:03:14]

Dibblah:

For SD, I can heartily recommend the Geode 1750+.

[20:03:14]

Lin:

i want something to run very smothly.

[20:03:30]

Anduin:

robbins876: No, everything always works for me, I am cursed.

[20:03:35]

|Torg|:

the CPU seems a bit much and the memory a bit too little, rember these will the ramdrives

[20:03:40]

Dibblah:

... The requirements of Myth are fairly low.

[20:03:48]

Lin:

they are thinking about dell desktops (2gb ram, 3.2ghtz 64 bits, 256 video ram nvidia)

[20:04:05]

Dibblah:

3.2Ghz P4 or Core?

[20:04:08]

|Torg|:

hell that can push HDTV :)

[20:04:08]

Lin:

|Torg|,p4

[20:04:17]

|Torg|:

its what my frontend is

[20:04:20]

Dibblah:

Ick. Ick ick ick.

[20:04:44]

robbins876:

Anduin: Damnit, I can't figure it out. I figured you'd be the one to know.

[20:04:48]

|Torg|:

and I dont just use mythtv, I abuse it :P

[20:04:53]

Lin:

I can use 160 sata harddrives as My personal raid ;-)

[20:05:05]

Anduin:

robbins876: What is the problem?

[20:05:21]

robbins876:

Let me see if I can get my frontend up, just a second.

[20:05:27]

Dibblah:

That's 200w * 170 = 34kW.

[20:05:54]

Dibblah:

That's expensive :)

[20:05:56]

Lin:

im recieving a lot of Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

[20:06:03]

bjohnson:

not really mythtv related but .. what is an easy way for me to capture an image from an avi as a jpg or png on a linux workstation?

[20:06:06]

|Torg|:

That's a space heater :P

[20:06:17]

Dibblah:

For a LOT of space :)

[20:06:24]

Lin:

bjohnson, screenshot it

[20:06:29]

|Torg|:

Lin did you give access rights to mythtv?

[20:06:33]

Lin:

bjohnson, mplayer can save it to a file

[20:06:36]

robbins876:

Anduin: I have a backend/frontend setup. The one that you and I worked on awhile back. It's working great. I built another box, got myth installed on it, but I can't get it to connect to my backend. It downloads the recorded shows list and the list of divx I have on the backend, but won't play them.

[20:06:44]

Lin:

|Torg|, yes. and /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt is fine.

[20:06:56]

|Torg|:

no did you add the mythtv user

[20:07:02]

Lin:

|Torg|, I have tested myself with mysql -u mythtv -p

[20:07:04]

robbins876:

Anduin: It says something like "Can't fnd file" or something like that when i try to watch the recorded shows or divx

[20:07:06]

|Torg|:

mysql.txt is how to acccess it, not give it access

[20:07:06]

Anduin:

robbins876: That is usually a recording hostname problem

[20:07:14]

Lin:

unix mythtv user?

[20:07:16]

Lin:

yes.

[20:07:24]

robbins876:

Anduin: here's a pastebin... http://pastebin.ca/229710

[20:07:30]

|Torg|:

and with "mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg" what does it do?

[20:07:33]

Lin:

I have to run mythth as mythtv user? always?

[20:07:41]

CrocoJet:

damn .. .I tried yum install mythtv-suite .. and "nothing to do'

[20:07:42]

robbins876:

Anduin: Also, I can't watch live tv from the remote frontend

[20:07:46]

Anduin:

robbins876: for divx (MythVideo assuming), you need to mount the files in the same location

[20:07:48]

Lin:

|Torg|, ask for a password.

[20:07:48]

CrocoJet:

anyone can help me ?

[20:07:54]

|Torg|:

no not unix mythtv user, mysql has its own access table independat from PAM

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bjohnson:

Lin: thanks

[20:08:11]

Dibblah:

CrocoJet: Follow the Guiding Words Of Jarod The Municifent.

[20:08:11]

|Torg|:

ok Lin and is that password in your mysql.txt?

[20:08:13]

Lin:

|Torg|, I put the password setuped on /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt and logon is sucessfull

[20:08:32]

|Torg|:

ok Lin then you solved your own problem :)

[20:08:34]

robbins876:

Anduin: Mount them in the same location? What does that mean?

[20:08:38]

CrocoJet:

"Guiding Words Of Jarod The Municifent" ... where ?:

[20:08:57]

Juski:

see Lin, that's one of the things I'd like the ubuntu packagers to change... that random password stuff

[20:09:03]

CrocoJet:

it is hell these dependencies

[20:09:09]

Anduin:

CrocoJet: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php

[20:09:22]

CrocoJet:

Anduin, let me see

[20:09:23]

Lin:

|Torg|, no.. when I run mythtvfrontend as my user it didn't work.

[20:09:44]

Lin:

|Torg|, seems that only unix mythtv user has access to password file

[20:09:54]

|Torg|:

make sure that users mysql.txt is correct as well as make sure when you ran mythtv-setup you put the proper ip address and port in

[20:10:10]

|Torg|:

also user@localhost differs from user@% or user@host

[20:10:13]

Lin:

|Torg|, everything is fine.

[20:10:14]

Anduin:

robbins876: Yeah, it thinks the files are local, they are not, if the hostname in the record is right then there is some misconfiguration

[20:10:17]

|Torg|:

these all have differnt access rights in mysql

[20:10:39]

Anduin:

robbins876: Does your new remote frontend have the same name?

[20:10:46]

|Torg|:

and mysql permissions != /etc/password or pam

[20:10:55]

|Torg|:

mysql.txt is a config file for mythtv, not mysql

[20:10:57]

robbins876:

Uhh... I think it may, i dont' remember exclusively nameing either.

[20:10:59]

Dibblah:

Wow. Jarod Wilson is now the second most popular Jarod on the internet.

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|Torg|:

its how it knows how to connect

[20:11:06]

Dibblah:

Who'd have guessed?

[20:11:21]

|Torg|:

access rights for each user at each host (or wildcard) is stored in the mysql database

[20:11:24]

Lin:

|Torg|, I know.

[20:11:28]

Anduin:

robbins876: Yeah, look at the recorded table, check the host name, make sure you have unique names

[20:11:34]

|Torg|:

ok then, why were you asking :)

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Lin:

sorry

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robbins876:

Anduin: I believe both computers are named localhost

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Lin:

wrong window.

[20:12:21]

Anduin:

robbins876: Yeah, that would be bad.

[20:12:37]

robbins876:

how can I rename the remote frontend?

[20:12:47]

|Torg|:

robbins876 EVERY commputer is named localhost, EVERYWHERE

[20:13:04]

Juski:

another idea for mythmusic... music video support :)

[20:13:06]

|Torg|:

localhost is an alias for 127.0.0.1

[20:13:19]

Juski:

that's from SWMBO, btw

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Lin:

videoclips?

[20:13:28]

robbins876:

|Torg| I understand that, but when I boot up, it says localhost.localdomain, or something like that...

[20:13:33]

Lin:

as mtv ;-)

[20:13:37]

|Torg|:

go edit /etc/hostname

[20:13:50]

Lin:

mythtv support video streaming?

[20:14:04]

Lin:

(i know that mplayer does) but there is some interface for this?

[20:14:27]

|Torg|:

yes Lin though third party software like mplayer, simple shaing of the files is usually easier tho

[20:14:36]

robbins876:

my /etc/hostname is empty

[20:14:52]

|Torg|:

no kidding robbins876, its why I told you to go edit it

[20:15:33]

Lin:

arda:/home/igor/public_html# mythbackend --verbose

[20:15:33]

Lin:

Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

[20:15:40]

Lin:

what is happening here?

[20:15:41]

robbins876:

|Torg| What do I put in there?

[20:15:50]

Lin:

robbins876, localhost

[20:15:52]

|Torg|:

robbins876 what would you liek to name your box?

[20:16:16]

Lin:

then put this on /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain

[20:16:38]

robbins876:

|Torg| I'd like to name the box... nespc

[20:16:38]

Juski:

anyway.. time to watch a nice scary movie :)

[20:16:43]

|Torg|:

Lin his issue is he dosnt want them named localhost.localdomain

[20:16:47]

jduggan:

can someone help me understand external channel changers, does my tvguide have to be configured for this?... mysql user can definiately run the script and change teh channel from the cmd line

[20:16:52]

Lin:

|Torg|, oh! ok :-)

[20:16:56]

jduggan:

erm

[20:16:58]

|Torg|:

type "echo nespc > /etc/hostname" then reboot

[20:16:59]

Lin:

|Torg|, sorry.. :-)

[20:17:01]

jduggan:

s/mysql/mythtv/

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robbins876:

alright... will i need to rename both boxes?

[20:17:20]

|Torg|:

if you want to name then, then yes

[20:17:22]

Lin:

|Torg|, should be a nice thing add IP nespc to /etc/hosts

[20:17:30]

Anduin:

robbins876: whatever name you use will need to be resolvable across machines

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|Torg|:

you *could* simply ignore the names and use IP addresses as Lin was alluding to

[20:17:39]

jduggan:

running the script in mythtv mythbackend.log says 'unable to change channel to 'xxx'

[20:18:08]

robbins876:

Anduin: I have been using IP's rather than names

[20:18:19]

|Torg|:

yes Lin you are correct, but since hes using Linux and its going to pump/dhcpcd his address it really anmes no differnce

[20:18:32]

|Torg|:

he only needs to plug those in if hes using staitc ip addressing

[20:18:44]

Lin:

|Torg|, do you know if he is or not?

[20:19:06]

robbins876:

my backend is static

[20:19:15]

|Torg|:

Lin I figured if he is he will come ask later, small steps :P

[20:19:49]

Lin:

hehe. :-) sure. :-)

[20:20:10]

Anduin:

robbins876: look at your recorded table, there is a host field, that needs to work

[20:20:10]

|Torg|:

then do like Lin said, put "x.x.x.x nespc nespc.domain" in /etc/hosts . Of course use a real IP address not x.x.x.x. and a real domain not domain. You can leave off nespc.domain if you want

[20:20:14]

jduggan:

anybody have external channel changer experience for STBs?

[20:20:37]

robbins876:

nespc is my remote frontend, it's not static

[20:21:04]

|Torg|:

then leave /etc/hosts alone

[20:21:07]

robbins876:

Anduin: Where is the recorded table?

[20:21:20]

|Torg|:

and your dns server "should" be ging it a name which it picks up

[20:21:46]

Anduin:

robbins876: In the mythconverg database, and only the backend name really makes a difference

[20:22:10]

robbins876:

I'm lost.

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cbx33:

Hi all, just installed mythtv on ubuntu edgy

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cbx33:

but I can't rip or play dvd's ata ll

[20:23:04]

cbx33:

anyone got any checks I could try?

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|Torg|:

robbins876 you have a dabase program called mysql, in that program are databases. One in particular, called mythconverg, is what mythtv holds all of its settings and metainformation in. Specialy settings is a table in mysql that mythtv refernces

[20:24:20]

robbins876:

ok, i understand that, but how do I check the database as Anduin said?

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|Torg|:

robbins876 im sorry I dindt see what Anduin said, what was it you were trying to do?

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robbins876:

<Anduin> robbins876: look at your recorded table, there is a host field, that needs to work

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|Torg|:

hes tellign you to read teh table called "recorded" in the database. Ill assume you were asking something abotu the shows you recorded

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|Torg|:

that table hold metainformation

[20:26:23]

robbins876:

how do I view that table?

[20:26:24]

|Torg|:

metainformaiton is information about information

[20:26:40]

|Torg|:

in other words it hold the informaiton about the things you recorded, hence its name

[20:27:05]

|Torg|:

you could view in in multiple ways. What is it you want to do with the table anyway?

[20:28:07]

robbins876:

look at it to see the ame of the machine that recorded the programs, i think...

[20:28:53]

|Torg|:

what version of myth do you run?

[20:28:57]

robbins876:

.20

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jduggan:

|Torg|: do you use external channel changers?

[20:30:12]

|Torg|:

no jduggan

[20:30:23]

jduggan:

ok

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jduggan:

please does anyone use external channel changers :P

[20:30:53]

jduggan:

need info;s

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fryfrog:

jduggan: yup, i use an external changer script that tests/fixes firewire and then returns control to myth

[20:31:48]

|Torg|:

robbins876 type "mysql mythconverg" in it type "select hostname from recorded;

[20:31:51]

|Torg|:

"

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|Torg|:

sorry make SURE you hav that ; on it

[20:32:08]

|Torg|:

then type "quit;"

[20:33:52]

Lin:

how can I set volume on myth audio player (sorry for the dummy question)

[20:34:05]

Lin:

where can I read a doc about dummy questions related to mythtv

[20:34:21]

|Torg|:

audio is done via alsa

[20:34:31]

czth:

alsamixer will bring up an audio config

[20:34:53]

czth:

and then i think it's alsactl store to commit the settings

[20:35:05]

Lin:

inside myth cant be done?

[20:35:18]

|Torg|:

yes with its alsa module

[20:35:30]

Juski:

oh ffs you change music volume with [ and ]

[20:35:33]

czth:

if your sound is already working, you can change volume, yeah

[20:35:43]

Lin:

Juski, thanks ;-)

[20:35:54]

Lin:

juski answed my question ;-)

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robbins876:

|Torg| http://pastebin.ca/231426

[20:36:33]

|Torg|:

Juski sorta answerd your question, not relly tho

[20:36:45]

Lin:

Juski, and about, previous, pause, stop, play, next

[20:36:50]

|Torg|:

I could jsut have easily said you control the volume with the volume up and down button on my remote :P

[20:37:02]

Lin:

|Torg|, I havent a remote here ;-)

[20:37:29]

|Torg|:

robbins876, drop the quotes :)

[20:37:39]

robbins876:

alright, that gave me problems too...

[20:37:39]

Juski:

Lin: the keyboard controls are all listed in the documentation, FYI

[20:37:46]

Lin:

good! ;-)

[20:37:58]

Lin:

I will checkout right now.. sorry for bother you ;-)

[20:38:01]

Juski:

and in the user manual section of the wiki

[20:38:28]

robbins876:

[robbins876@localhost ~]$ mysql mythconverg

[20:38:28]

robbins876:

ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user ''@'localhost' to database 'mythconverg'

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jduggan:

fryfrog: ok, i have a script '/usr/bin/channelchange' it works from the command line as the same user the backend is running as.. but entering say '110' in livetv and mythbackend.log shows TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 110. and it doesnt change.. it doesnt even attempt to change since the irblaster doesnt flash, it does show an opaque menu which i assume is the guide? i havent configured that yet though so there's nothing in there

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Lin:

I think that music could keep playing while im browsing other things.. should stop only when I do another audio thing as watch a dvd or tv.

[20:39:23]

|Torg|:

robbins876 try "mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg" you will need the password too, presumably its "mythtv"

[20:40:20]

robbins876:

it's a box full of localhost.localdomain

[20:40:59]

|Torg|:

ok robbins876, did you expect it to be any differnt?

[20:41:10]

robbins876:

it's just what anduin told me to do

[20:41:18]

robbins876:

and he's much smarter than I am

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jduggan:

fryfrog/Juski any idea on this?

[20:41:46]

|Torg|:

robbins876 what is it you want to know?

[20:42:13]

robbins876:

I have a remote frontend setup, but when I go to watch recordings on it, it says it can't find the file.

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fryfrog:

jduggan: how do you run yhour script on command line?

[20:42:34]

jduggan:

fryfrog: ./change_channel 110

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Anduin:

robbins876: Sorry, had a call, mysql -u mythtv -o mythconverg

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Anduin:

robbins876: er -p

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robbins876:

got that part, it's a box full of localhost.localdomain

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fryfrog:

jduggan: for example, my script is called "sure-change.sh" and I set the channel with ./sure-change.sh <channel>

[20:42:59]

Juski:

Lin: many people have said that but without major major major major major changes to the code it's not gonna happen

[20:42:59]

|Torg|:

ok robbins876 this is what you are going to do, first off give your backend a static ip address and name. To do that follow what Lin told you not too long ago

[20:43:01]

Kelerion:

jduggan: get the EPG working

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|Torg|:

then your going to go into the setup and resetup your backend, from scratch

[20:43:19]

jduggan:

fryfrog: or call it from full path /usr/bin/change_channel, its in my $PATH but i specify the full path to it

[20:43:20]

Anduin:

robbins876: Yeah, you need to change it to a name that can be resolved on the remote frontend (and the backend0

[20:43:27]

fryfrog:

jduggan: and so in your setup, the "external change script" is set to something like /path/to/script"

[20:43:27]

jduggan:

Kelerion: does myth need the epg to change the channel?

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|Torg|:

then after all that is done you are going to import your recordings

[20:43:34]

Juski:

Kelerion: reckon mr barbaccia might want to get involved in this project? ;)

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Kelerion:

jduggan: it'd help

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Juski:

jduggan: myth needs the epg for plenty of things

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|Torg|:

unless you have put allot of time into confoguring the database it may be easier to simply delete them and start over

[20:44:08]

Kelerion:

hows it to know which channel it's changing from or to?

[20:44:11]

fryfrog:

jduggan: I would suggest throwing a few "echo something something" statements in for debug purposes

[20:44:19]

|Torg|:

that or your goign to hav to know allot of sql to edit the database

[20:44:33]

fryfrog:

wait, you *do* have a channel lineup right?

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jduggan:

Juski: but not the external channel changer surely... it uses stdin from the keyboard to pass straight to my irsend script? surely it doesnt lookup that channel ?

[20:45:06]

Kelerion:

Juski: presumably.. but he sounds a tad busy with his own stuff...so not sure

[20:45:11]

Juski:

jduggan: if the channel doesn't _exist_ in the first place...

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Kelerion:

jduggan: you said it was working from cli

[20:45:37]

jduggan:

fryfrog: nope, the site providing the xmllist is corrupt, the script is bust so i cant configure EPG

[20:45:43]

Juski:

mythtv can't change to a channel that doesn't exist in the database

[20:45:49]

fryfrog:

jduggan: yeah, you have to actuallyuh *have* a channel line up. otherwise, what is it going to even change to?

[20:46:15]

Juski:

just a case of tackling the right stuff in the right order ;)

[20:46:15]

fryfrog:

if your script works on command line, it'll work when you have some channel info in the db

[20:46:20]

jduggan:

fryfrog: i assumed it just sends irsend cmd using input from the keypad

[20:46:28]

Juski:

haha. assumptions

[20:46:33]

jduggan:

well this is bad

[20:46:35]

Juski:

the mother of all mistakes :)

[20:46:38]

jduggan:

yes

[20:46:50]

Kelerion:

"ass" out of "u" and "me" so they say

[20:46:55]

jduggan:

but its bad eh

[20:46:58]

fryfrog:

jduggan: no, not at all. the "channel" number in mythtv can be what ever you want

[20:47:13]

jduggan:

fryfrog: aah

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Juski:

jduggan: so tv_grab_uk_rt is broken you say.. worked for me at 6am today

[20:47:18]

fryfrog:

it isn't like tvtime or xawtv where it just blindly tuens to a channel

[20:47:31]

Kelerion:

working for Me right now too

[20:47:38]

fryfrog:

your channel 100 *could* really be 11_5 on tuner1 only

[20:47:46]

Kelerion:

use xmltv from cvs.. much better

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|Torg|:

tv_grab_uk_rt works fine for me

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fryfrog:

channel 121 could be channel 123 on your ca ble box

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jduggan:

so when i pres '110' in mythtv it doesnt take '110' and pass it straight to irsend script? it looks up the real number?

[20:48:18]

jduggan:

or real sky channel number i mean

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fryfrog:

correct

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Juski:

the number you enter is the mythtv channel number, not the _actual_ channel number

[20:48:39]

Kelerion:

jduggan: nope... it looks it up on the epg

[20:48:48]

fryfrog:

of course, chances are *your* channel 100 matches the real channel number. But it doesn't have to

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jduggan:

ok

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Juski:

now we've established that, it's time to get your db populated with channels

[20:49:27]

jduggan:

Juski: i thought because it was external channel changer rather than a local tuner that it would pass the inputted number straight to my irsend script

[20:49:28]

fryfrog:

For instance, you *could* combine sky, directv and dish into one zomg super duper mythbox... i'm sure they all have a channel 200 :)

[20:49:33]

jduggan:

Juski: finding channels

[20:49:34]

jduggan:

bad line in channel list: at /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk_rt line 194.

[20:49:36]

** scopeuk is hacked off now some prat burnt there dinner and i had to spend 45 minutes standing outside in the cold waiting for the firebrigade to turn up **

[20:49:44]

Kelerion:

jduggan: theres that assuming again :)

[20:49:49]

scopeuk:

becosue the porters are to retarted to work it out on there own

[20:49:52]

Juski:

jduggan: might be possible to fix that yourself

[20:50:12]

|Torg|:

scopeuk tell them the thing on the wall/ceiling is called a smoke allarm, not a dinner timer

[20:50:27]

jduggan:

i checked xmltv.org and the xmltvstatus page says its an error

[20:50:30]

Juski:

scopeuk: it's fer your own safety, and how I don't miss being erm... interrupted by fire alarms in student halls :)

[20:50:40]

jduggan:

Juski: http://www2.holmlund.se/xmltv-release/test_grabbers.html

[20:50:43]

scopeuk:

Juski its happened 2 nights in a row

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scopeuk:

1/2 hour last night at midnight then 45 mionutest today

[20:51:02]

scopeuk:

bloody rediculose wasent even our flat

[20:51:09]

scopeuk:

was some retart in one of the other blocks

[20:51:28]

scopeuk:

and |Torg| there is talk of nastyness

[20:51:31]

Juski:

jduggan: but it works _fine_ here. you might be better getting a different version of perl or something

[20:51:59]

jduggan:

Juski: im using testing debian, i doubt there's anything wrong with perl

[20:52:13]

jduggan:

it'd be hard to upgrade also, dont really wanna break it

[20:52:20]

jduggan:

and it did work

[20:52:31]

Juski:

jduggan: I can't see how that site has anything to do with anything

[20:52:56]

Juski:

so it _did_ work? what changed to make it not work?

[20:53:26]

|Torg|:

HASH(0x8bc183c)

[20:53:26]

|Torg|:

bad line in channel list: at /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk_rt line 194.

[20:53:30]

|Torg|:

its broken for me too

[20:53:35]

jduggan:

yep

[20:53:46]

Lin:

home

[20:53:47]

scopeuk:

|Torg| is it actualyl working and giving the error or is it jsut being complelty retarded?

[20:54:03]

Juski:

hang on... the channel_ids file has changed recently

[20:54:07]

jduggan:

Juski: that site is a status page.. dude runs the scripts and shows output/errors by the looks of it

[20:54:10]

|Torg|:

scopeuk it jsut crashes with that error, keep in mind tho I live in the US and use DD

[20:54:13]

Juski:

they've changed the seperator char

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jduggan:

Juski: ah ok, easy to fix?

[20:54:32]

Juski:

previously it was a colon I think & in recent versions it's |

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scopeuk:

|Torg| very true

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Juski:

but for you to get that problem you'd have to have out of sync versions of the grabber itself & that config file

[20:55:44]

jduggan:

Juski: so wot should i do to fix it?

[20:56:02]

Juski:

you can download xmltv yourself

[20:56:19]

Juski:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php? . . . age_id=31217

[20:57:52]

Juski:

aha!

[20:58:00]

Juski:

from the xmltv users mailing list:

[20:58:10]

Juski:

need a pastebin

[20:58:36]

Juski:

http://pastebin.ca/231465

[20:59:02]

Juski:

so it's a radiotimes problem :(

[20:59:14]

jduggan:

eek

[20:59:16]

jduggan:

so

[20:59:22]

jduggan:

i cant get EPG working till then

[20:59:24]

jduggan:

?

[20:59:35]

|Torg|:

cant you use EIT?

[20:59:54]

jduggan:

|Torg|: nope, im streaming from a digital satelite decoder

[21:00:32]

|Torg|:

http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/channels.dat returns data for me

[21:00:42]

Juski:

holy crap!

[21:00:51]

Juski:

they changed the whole format of channels.dat by the look of it

[21:00:55]

Juski:

that used to be a list!

[21:01:16]

Lin:

I have some movies on HD, where can I setup myth to point to them?

[21:01:22]

|Torg|:

I think you need a new format or a new provider

[21:01:34]

Juski:

ah no.. they just say that there's a problem & hope to fix it soon

[21:01:35]

|Torg|:

Lin in the videos

[21:01:41]

ivor:

Juski: looks like someone cocked up.

[21:01:43]

Juski:

in mythvideo, Lin

[21:01:50]

robbins876:

|Torg| I can't scroll back as far as what Lin told me to do in regards to renaming my backend, can you paste what he said?

[21:02:03]

jduggan:

Juski: so its just a case of waiting for radiotimes to fix a cockup?

[21:02:23]

Juski:

yup

[21:02:28]

jduggan:

ok

[21:02:33]

jduggan:

how long do you reckon?

[21:02:38]

Juski:

no idea

[21:02:41]

scopeuk:

how longs a piece of string

[21:02:41]

jduggan:

at midnight last night it was working

[21:02:42]

Lin:

i havent it installed :-P I will install.

[21:02:42]

|Torg|:

robbins876 put a name, whatever you like in /etc/hostsname, then go to /etc/hosts and put the static ip address of the box plus that hostname as a line "x.x.x.x hostname"

[21:02:46]

jduggan:

coz i started messing with it

[21:02:50]

jduggan:

then i got up at 5am for work

[21:03:01]

jduggan:

set it off because it takes forever to download

[21:03:02]

ivor:

jduggan: that page says "as soon as possible"

[21:03:03]

robbins876:

what's the host name?

[21:03:05]

|Torg|:

robbins876 depenidng on distro you have to give it a real ip address on you netowrk too, then reboot

[21:03:05]

robbins876:

localdomain?

[21:03:11]

jduggan:

and it was broke

[21:03:15]

Juski:

Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2006-10–31 07:35 and ended on 2006-10–31 07:35. FAILED: xmltv returned error code 32512.

[21:03:17]

|Torg|:

robbins876 NO not localhost

[21:03:25]

|Torg|:

NOT localhost.localdomain

[21:03:33]

|Torg|:

make one up, whatever you like

[21:03:47]

Juski:

might be fixed tomorrow, maybe the day after.. maybe (shudder).. let's not even go there

[21:03:47]

Anduin:

robbins876: /etc/sysconfig/network

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|Torg|:

naming your boxes is one of the little joys of an admins life :P

[21:04:23]

jduggan:

Juski: perhaps mythtv should support another british xml listing for times like this

[21:04:35]

Juski:

jduggan: perhaps someone should write one then

[21:04:50]

Juski:

there's uk_bleb but that can go away for _weeks_ at a time

[21:04:57]

|Torg|:

jduggan perhaps you should use dbv-s cards and use EIT

[21:05:03]

Juski:

as it did, recently

[21:05:23]

jduggan:

Juski: i wouldnt even know how to go about getting channel/broadcast info to start :)

[21:05:23]

scopeuk:

could we taek a box with eit and pipe it to a webserver?

[21:05:25]

Juski:

anyway.. movietime

[21:05:33]

Juski:

scopeuk: definitely NOT

[21:05:35]

jduggan:

plus, it'd be hella work to update it

[21:05:44]

scopeuk:

justdave copy right?

[21:05:51]

scopeuk:

Juski even

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Juski:

put it this way, that's what folks in Germany did & now they have no good EIT data anymore

[21:06:14]

|Torg|:

yes its copywritten data, you cant rebrodcast it

[21:06:14]

Lin:

there is alot of redundant menus

[21:06:42]

robbins876:

|Torg| here's my etchosts... http://pastebin.ca/231478 What do I need to change?

[21:06:54]

Juski:

and like I said it's movietime.. don't even _think_ about redistributing tv guide data. we know where you live!

[21:07:03]

Juski:

it's _that_ serious

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|Torg|:

robbins876 what is the address if your box? what does ifconfig eth0 say?

[21:07:12]

null_:

Hm a local provider here released an iptv box, just saw it in the news... and it's GUI is soooo fast. DOes anyone know if mythtv will improve in this area in 0.21?

[21:07:18]

robbins876:

192.168.0.104

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Juski:

null_: get a faster box then

[21:07:33]

** Juski is offski **

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|Torg|:

robbins876 what is the name of your box?

[21:07:56]

Juski:

but not before I say this.. it flies on my 1Ghz frontend, so put that in yer pipe & smoke it :-P

[21:08:11]

null_:

hm maybe it's a driver issue here...

[21:09:10]

Lin:

I have pointed a directory where my movies are, but in that directory there is other files, as images / texts. How can I avoid them in the Video Manage Menu?

[21:09:35]

jduggan:

Lin: move movie files to a seperate dir?

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robbins876:

|Torg| The box is named backend

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|Torg|:

put "192.168.0.104 backend" on its own line, in /etc/hosts

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** |Torg| would have thought something more origianl then backend but oh well **

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robbins876:

do I need to comment out the other lines?

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|Torg|:

NO!!!!!!!

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|Torg|:

type echo backend > /etc/hosts

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Lin:

jduggan, I will not do this. this files are movie related (as comments)

[21:11:38]

|Torg|:

what distro do you use robbins876?

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robbins876:

FC6

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|Torg|:

does your box already have a stitic ip set?

[21:13:34]

robbins876:

yeah

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robbins876:

you just told me to echo > /etc/hosts

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robbins876:

that file had some stuff in it before, now it just says backend

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|Torg|:

see what you get for answering to me, go read your pastebin and put ti back sorry

[21:14:20]

|Torg|:

put backend in /etc/hostname

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|Torg|:

my problem is I havnt had a beer yet :P

[21:14:44]

** ivor has had several. **

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Lin:

ivor, share with us

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ivor:

I'll have one for you.

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robbins876:

ok, I have hosts and hostname changed to reflect backend

[21:15:15]

robbins876:

what now?

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|Torg|:

then reboot

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robbins876:

k, then resetup the backend?

[21:16:34]

|Torg|:

well no then you get to go into the database and change a few things

[21:16:50]

|Torg|:

in fact its probably eaiser to simply start over and import the old recordings

[21:17:05]

robbins876:

son of a bitch

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|Torg|:

whats going to happen is your box, backend is not goign to find any entiers becase there all for localhost.localdomain

[21:17:32]

|Torg|:

if you want to go into the settings and fix all those go ahead

[21:17:36]

robbins876:

i only have like 3 recordings anyway

[21:17:43]

|Torg|:

keep in mind your frontend is ALSO called localhost.localdomain

[21:17:53]

|Torg|:

so you are goign to have to sort out which is which

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robbins876:

i dont' want to save them.

[21:18:03]

robbins876:

does that make things easier?

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|Torg|:

that job will be so difficult I would rather start over

[21:18:24]

|Torg|:

MUCH easier, wipe out everything and start over

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robbins876:

wipe myth entirely?!

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|Torg|:

wipe out mythconverg

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robbins876:

it's making my head hurt

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|Torg|:

and use myth.rebuilddatabase.pl to import your orphaned recordings

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Lin:

GreyFoxx, may I sugest you one thing... why not have a end user mode (without all those mplayer flag settings, video cards, etcetera) and a admin mode (with all those flags). In normal mode we will only have settings about video/audio and media.

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jduggan:

anybody here use mplayer? got most of my keys working with my remote i have 'f' set as vo_fullscreen in my input.conf.. which works fine from the keyboard.. (goes fullscreen with 'f)', i've also mapped a button Menu/i to 'f' but when i press it, it pauses mplayer, if i press it again it steps it, anyone got any ideas?

[21:42:46]

Lin:

jduggan, my mplayer (ubuntu) uses F to fullscreen. and works fine.

[21:43:02]

jduggan:

Lin: with a remote?

[21:43:57]

Lin:

no with a keyboard

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jduggan:

well it works fine with a keyboard for me

[21:46:03]

jduggan:

its the mapped key on my remote that doesnt work

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Lin:

:-) better ;-)

[21:46:13]

Lin:

never got a remote to work

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Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: ping

[21:57:14]

Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: send me an e-mail or something

[21:57:20]

Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: cardoe@gentoo.org

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: hello

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Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: what's up?

[22:01:07]

SlicerDicer-:

?

[22:01:07]

Cardoe:

I keep seeing or hearing about pings from you.

[22:01:15]

SlicerDicer-:

what?

[22:01:31]

Cardoe:

well ya pinged me the other night

[22:01:32]

SlicerDicer-:

I havent said anything to you since yesterday....

[22:01:37]

SlicerDicer-:

ohh no worries Cardoe

[22:01:49]

Cardoe:

mmk

[22:01:52]

Cardoe:

Got it fixed?

[22:01:52]

SlicerDicer-:

stupidity can slap me in the face :)

[22:01:59]

SlicerDicer-:

it happens

[22:02:04]

Cardoe:

alright cool.

[22:02:20]

Cardoe:

install the wrong thing or something?

[22:02:34]

SlicerDicer-:

webapp-config shit

[22:03:03]

Cardoe:

oh

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Cardoe:

updated a package but forgot to tell webapp-config to update the htdocs?

[22:03:21]

Cardoe:

I do that all the time.

[22:03:24]

SlicerDicer-:

hehe

[22:03:44]

SlicerDicer-:

well thanks for getting back to me Cardoe

[22:03:46]

Cardoe:

The other day with Trac... I was like... uh... HELLO... I'm emerging 0.10!! Where's my 0.10!!

[22:03:48]

SlicerDicer-:

appreciate it :)

[22:03:58]

Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: yep. n/p

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clars:

by default the store is in /mnt/store but will it be fine to to point to /home/user/ (when running BE and FE on same box)

[22:19:14]

Sebulba02:

BE and FE?

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scopeuk:

backend front end

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Sebulba02:

Ah.

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Lin:

which package provides qmake (on ubuntu)?

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|Torg|:

apt-cache search qmake

[22:31:35]

Lin:

qt3-dev-tools – Qt3 development tools

[22:31:35]

Lin:

qt3-assistant – The Qt3 assistant application

[22:31:35]

Lin:

qt3-designer – Qt3 Designer

[22:31:41]

Lin:

which one of these?

[22:31:43]

Lin:

:-P

[22:32:00]

|Torg|:

the dev tools, use aptitude to install it and watch what happens :P

[22:32:16]

Lin:

:-D ok.. installing.

[22:32:55]

Lin:

arda:/home/igor/Desktop/myththemes-0.20# ./configure

[22:32:55]

Lin:

Project ERROR: Please run ./configure

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Lin:

LOL!

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|Torg|:

hmm i dont ever remember compiling the themes

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Lin:

the themes _Really_ need be compiled?

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|Torg|:

no they really need to be installed

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|Torg|:

but I dont use any of the stock themes

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Lin:

yeah.. i just copy them to the theme dir and everything seems fine

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Lin:

;-)

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|Torg|:

as it should be

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|Torg|:

the main issue is you know where they go, most dont

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CBiLL:

hrmm nobody speaking in #fedora so I know this question belong there but wanted to ask if someone could answer it for me .. do you install the dvd iso version of Fedora Core the same way as you install the 5 cds version?

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|Torg|:

do you mean do you go though provision and set it up the same?

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CBiLL:

yeah?

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BULLE:

CBiLL: yes

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|Torg|:

then teh answer is yes

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Lin:

i really loved iulius theme

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CBiLL:

basically you burn it to a dvd and boot from dvd?

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BULLE:

CBiLL: except you dont have to change cds

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BULLE:

CBiLL: yes

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|Torg|:

yes

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CBiLL:

thanks

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CBiLL:

great .. downloading it now

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|Torg|:

the dvd has a repo that says what it has, the cds have 1 for each cd

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CBiLL:

the iso

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|Torg|:

if you get the iso image it is bootable

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** BULLE is running fc6 on his laptop, right now **

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CBiLL:

yeah I am getting the fc5

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CBiLL:

dvd iso

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BULLE:

CBiLL: any particular reason you are going for fc5 and not 6 ?

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CBiLL:

I am hearding not too good thing about mythtv6 and fc6

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BULLE:

ah

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BULLE:

havent tried that, yet

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BULLE:

will have to get my mythtv computer first

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CBiLL:

opps mythtv .. not mythtv6 heheheh

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BULLE:

CBiLL: what have you heard about fc6 and mythtv ?

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CBiLL:

some bad bugs

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BULLE:

such as ?

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CBiLL:

can't reacall it

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BULLE:

im curious, as i atleast was planning, to run fc6 on my to be mythv box

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CBiLL:

they were discussing about it in here

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CBiLL:

and after talking about it .. I asked and the good folks in here recommand I stick with fc5 for now as a beginner

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|Torg|:

are you planning on ysung yum or are you going to compile it from svn?

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CBiLL:

doing mythtv on it

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CBiLL:

yum

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|Torg|:

CBiLL how familair are you with Linux?

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CBiLL:

pretty familair

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CBiLL:

I am still running FC1 on my web production server

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|Torg|:

so you ahve no problems setting up X11 and alsa?

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CBiLL:

not really

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CBiLL:

nothing a good manual can fix quickly

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CrocoJet:

I have this video board capture "Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt848 Video Capture (rev 12)", is it compatible with mythTv ?

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CBiLL:

and a google

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CBiLL:

8-)

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|Torg|:

ok CBiLL I was just goign to tell you if you want a myth for dummies version there is knoppmyth based on debian its pretty much get the right hardware, install it and your up

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CrocoJet:

knoppmyth ?

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CrocoJet:

may be version to fedora also

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|Torg|:

do you know what knoppix is?

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CrocoJet:

why mythTv need SQL ?

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|Torg|:

to store configuraiton settings, guide data, informaon about recodrings, recording schedules etc

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coolego1:

stupid question: I want to run nuvexport tonight for basically the whole night, but during that time I want to record a show using mythtv... should I manually edit the nice levels and if so, what should I set nuvexport to be?

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CrocoJet:

|Torg|, ok

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coolego1:

does nice go from 0 at highest or lowest priority?

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CrocoJet:

|Torg|, after setup main .. program MythTV is aborted

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fryfrog:

0 is middle

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fryfrog:

-19 would be insane high, 19 insane low

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CrocoJet:

Do I need setup Sql also ?

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coolego1:

ok how do I see what a particular process is running at?

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fryfrog:

top would show ya

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|Torg|:

CrocoJet what do you mean is aborted?

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fryfrog:

but by default, most stuff runs at 0

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fryfrog:

so -1 to -3 is a decent choice for re-nicing

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|Torg|:

and yes CrocoJet you need mysql

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fryfrog:

well, to raise priority that is

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coolego1:

yeah, I want nuvexport to run in the background of myth if there is CPU to spare

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CrocoJet:

aborted = close

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CrocoJet:

may be ... mysql setp uo

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CrocoJet:

uo = up

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|Torg|:

CrocoJet you need to be more specific saying it aborted without saying any of the erros it gave is very misleading

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CrocoJet:

well .. the screen disappear .. mythTV

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fryfrog:

erm, that'll happen by default

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fryfrog:

you don't need to touch anything

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CrocoJet:

when running MythTV Setup

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coolego1:

oh ok

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fryfrog:

maybe just do +s to the mythfrontend binary

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jhl1:

Quick question, somehow my playback has gotten messed up, the video is right and top justified for the screen, but the resolution is way off (zoomed) the menus roll off the screen as well

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jhl1:

It only seems to be a problem once the overlay is being used, not the general menus or music visualizations

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Juski:

time for bed (yawn). g'night

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emily_:

I'm wondering if something is wrong — where do I go to view recorded programs?

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emily_:

anyone?

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emily_:

bueller?

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mirak:

is it possible to use the hardware mpeg2 decompressor of techno trend dvb-c full featured cards ?

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mirak:

for dvd playing

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emily_:

when I go into "watch recordings" They are not showing up, but i see them all in my recordings directory

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emily_:

when I go into "previously recorded" They DO show up, but I can only delete them there, not play them

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mirak:

emily_: can you see your not recorded yet recordings ?

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emily_:

mirak: you mean under "upcoming recordings?"

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mirak:

yes

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emily_:

yes, I can

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emily_:

any ideas?

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emily_:

I'd really like to actually watch the shows it's recording

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msomers:

This just doesn't make sense. My cable connection works, I plugged it into a regular tv and got all the channels, but when I load up MythTV under ubuntu 6.10, all I get is static on every channel except 5 and 6. Does anyone have any idea what this might be?

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msomers:

I should note that checking dmesg between the Start/End ivtv lines only reads one error: "bcm43xx: error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not avaliable or load failed." I believe this just has to do with the wireless driver which I am not using anyways, I'm using a wired ethernet connection. Aside from that, my Hauppauge PVR-150MCE is recognized fine and loads.

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msomers:

anyone?

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msomers:

I just can't find an answer for this

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