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Monday, October 23rd, 2006, 00:01 UTC

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Captain_Murdoch:

tale_: there hasn't been any work on it at all that I know of.

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banyan:

Is it true, what I hear that the PVR-350 has reached the end of the support road with ivtv?

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GreyFoxx:

banyan: The decoder is pretty much no longer inmyth since noone has stepped up to maintain support for it

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Anduin:

banyan: Only the chunk in myth that uses it, and it isn't dead, it is being cryogenicaly preserved waiting for the day when the technology exists to find a new maintainer.

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GreyFoxx:

no idea about the ivtv drivers though

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Kelerion:

evening all

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banyan:

The decoder is how complex?

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banyan:

I'm toying with the idea of stepping up to maintain it. Currently my playback takes 50% of CPU. This is new, though, since I started running 2.6.18 and the associated kernel drivers.

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banyan:

GreyFoxx, have you seen the code? Is it messy? Would it be advisable to have a separate machine to develop on in case there is constant bed-shitting of the modules?

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banyan:

If the decoder code reads like Finnegan's Wake, I'm probably not going to want to take it on.

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Imaginativeone:

do I have to be connected to the internet for MythTV to work?

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banyan:

No.

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banyan:

You might have to have an IP address though.

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Imaginativeone:

let me get this straight...

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Imaginativeone:

signal from wall >> PVR-150

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Imaginativeone:

PVR-150 >> TV

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Imaginativeone:

where does the schedule come from?

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banyan:

It can just be a non-routable one, or I suppose the loopback address suffices.

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banyan:

Where are you geographically?

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blackbox:

Anyone willing to help me fix the "cannot connect to master backend" issue? I have used mythtv for 2 years, but this is my first install on Gentoo...can't seem to fix it.

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Imaginativeone:

Maryland, USA

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banyan:

You'll be getting your listings from Zap2it.

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banyan:

You can sign up to get the listings via xml.

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banyan:

The listings will come from the internet, so in that sense you will need a connection to the internet for it to work.

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Quan:

evening all

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banyan:

But if you already have recordings, you can watchn them without an internet connection I believe.

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Quan:

is it possible to turn off the mod_rewrite stuff in mythweb easily? I seem to be having issues with it rewriting, and don't really care if it uses long crazy urls :)

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banyan:

The cable signal goes into the 150. If you want to attach something to the TV (such as a cable) you will need a cable splitter.

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banyan:

Hmm, you know the whole Linux thing is mature when people who were involved in it start to pass on.

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banyan:

Probably this is a tacky time to mention that I use grub.

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blackbox:

Another try...can anyone try to help me fix the "cannot connect to master backend" issue? Not a novice user, but having trouble with a fresh Gentoo install. I think I have everything configured correctly, but apparently not...thanks.

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banyan:

Is it all on one machine?

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blackbox:

yes.

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banyan:

Is that machine configured as the master backend?

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blackbox:

As far as I can tell. In mythtv-setup, I've set both master backend and the host IP to my IP behind my router (192.168.0.10).

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blackbox:

Same goes for frontend setup. mysql login and password are correct as well.

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banyan:

There's a check box for "This is the master backend" I think.

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blackbox:

I commented out bind-addresses as well.

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blackbox:

In mythtv-setup? Let me check...I'm running 0.19, because 0.20 was masked in Portage.

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banyan:

Yes, in mythtv-setup.

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banyan:

Have you tried setting it to 127.0.0.1?

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blackbox:

I can't seem to find it. I thought that setting was there in earlier versions of mythtv, but I'm not seeing it...hmm.

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blackbox:

Yes, I tried setting all of them to 127.0.0.1, and I also tried setting them all to my hostname as well as "localhost", which shouldn't work, since it requires an IP as far as I know.

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Quan:

can someone confirm that downloading a recoding from mythweb actually works? :P

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blackbox:

When I start mythfrontend and try to watch TV (or go to other settings), I get "Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 127.0.0.1" and "Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6534" with timouts after that.

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Quan:

is the backend running?

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Quan:

ps aux |grep mythbackend

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blackbox:

Yes. I made sure to run /etc/init.d mythbackend start before running mythfrontend, and I always make sure to stop mythbackend before running mythtv-setup.

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Quan:

but are you sure it's actually running? I've had issues with the script starting then mythbackend immediately dying

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Quan:

check with a ps first

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Quan:

if it's running, stop it, and start it manually in a console, look for errors

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blackbox:

Let me check...give me a minute or two to stop and restart everything just to be sure.

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blackbox:

OK, after stop, zap, and start mythbackend, ps aux | grep myth doesn't return mythbackend. very strange.

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Quan:

so the initscript isn't starting mythbackend for some reason

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Quan:

check /var/run/mythbackend.pid and /var/lock/subsys/mythbackend don't exist (delete them if they do) then retry

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blackbox:

I had mythbackend.pid, but not /lock/subsys/mythbackend. I stopped mythbackend, rm'ed the first one, and restarted. Still can grep on ps aux.

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B5Duster:

hey all

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B5Duster:

for some reason playing with the usb usermap in hotplug (trying to automount a usb msd) has caused the mythfrontend to stop responding when attempting to view system status or watch TV

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B5Duster:

TV screen is blank and just sits there until I kill the frontend

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B5Duster:

checking system status just hangs – same result

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B5Duster:

ivtv init is normal in dmesg and the backend log shows no weirdness – any ideas?

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Quan:

blackbox: try to start mythbackend manually from a console

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blackbox:

Quan, thanks! Starting it manually did the job!! mythfrontend works perfectly, and I can now watch TV. I had reset all IPs to 127.0.0.1.

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blackbox:

So...does this mean I need to write a little script to start /usr/bin/mythbackend as root on every startup? Not sure why init.d isn't working...

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Quan:

blackbox: need to figure out what the permsissions problem is, probably the pid or lock file is owned by root

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Quan:

blackbox: what distro?

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blackbox:

Gentoo.

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D-side:

blackbox: so what does /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log say?

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blackbox:

I had an old FC4 setup that I toasted, so I'm new to Gentoo. Figured I'd give it a try. Let me take a look at permissions on the pid file.

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blackbox:

/var/log/mythtv/mythbackend just repeats "QSqlQuery::exec: database not open" over and over.

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Quan:

weird

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Quan:

make sure you can connect to the mythconverg db with the username / pass you set

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Quan:

mysql mythconverg -u mythtv -p

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Quan:

then enter the pass

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Quan:

sometimes mysql perms can be a PITA

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blackbox:

I'm actually not running that as user mythtv, but I can get into mysql from command line and I have the same settings in frontend setup. I can get to the database now.

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Quan:

if you added mythtv@% also add a mythtv@localhost

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blackbox:

/var/run/mythbackend.pid has settings -rw-r--r-- — so should I set chmod a+rwx on that file?

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Quan:

is it mplayer that'll play a .nuv?

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Quan:

figured out my mythweb problem, wasn't mod_rewrite at all *grr*

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Quan:

needed perl-CGI :P

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blackbox:

Well, I guess that solves the problem. I will set up a little script to run mythbackend at startup, rather than just the daemon. Now on to the rest of my config...

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blackbox:

Thanks for your help, Quan and banyan.

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Quan:

no man, enjoy the mythy-goodness :)

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aboutblank:

it seems i've hit a wall when compiling mythtv. it says it cannot find freetype/config/ftheader.h, yet it does exist in /usr/include/freetype2/freetype/config/. Any help is REALLY appreciated. log here: http://pastebin.ca/216305

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vballrican:

ok..i'm stuck..trying to configure mythgame to use xmame, but i cannot find the xmame cfg file anywhere... help!!

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blackbox:

Thanks...have a good night everyone!

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robbins876:

hey, I'm running a dedicated frontend system... i can get it to connect to my backend, meaning, it can see the recordings that are on it... but when i try to watch the recordings on teh frontend, it says the file isn't found... i also can't get live tv to work on the dedicated frontened... what did i do wrong?

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aboutblank:

is it okay to have "... has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor" warnings when compiling myth?

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banyan:

anyone having trouble with 2.6.18 kernel and ivtv, with pvr-350 playback taking like half the CPU?

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Quan:

hrmm, shouldn't a .nuv have audio in it? I try to play in mplayer and only get video

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banyan:

You using ivtv?

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Quan:

no frame grabber card

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Quan:

the vids have audio in myth

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banyan:

you're playing everything back through X?

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Quan:

just not if I try to play the .nuv seperate

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banyan:

audio and video?

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Quan:

yeah

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Quan:

downloaded the .nuv to another machine via mythweb

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banyan:

Hm. Can you play it on the command line with mplayer and get sound?

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banyan:

Can you get any other kind of sound?

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Quan:

I have other sound yeah

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Quan:

mplayer says: "Audio: no sound" when I start the vids

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banyan:

hm.

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banyan:

unknown.

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Quan:

lemme try and play it on the backend with mplayer

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banyan:

Is the sound in a separate file? That would be very weird.

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Quan:

hrmm plays on the backend, uses libmad (have it on this box too)

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tuck3r:

on my mythTV listing the channels are one to high, why would that be?

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aboutblank:

it seems i've hit a wall when compiling mythtv. it says it cannot find freetype/config/ftheader.h, yet it does exist in /usr/include/freetype2/freetype/config/. Any help is REALLY appreciated. log here: http://pastebin.ca/216305 on Ubuntu Dapper, 2.6.15, what dependency could i be missing?

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robbins876:

hey, I'm running a dedicated frontend system... i can get it to connect to my backend, meaning, it can see the recordings that are on it... but when i try to watch the recordings on teh frontend, it says the file isn't found... i also can't get live tv to work on the dedicated frontened... what did i do wrong?

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aent:

hey... my mythtv recently started having jittery sound... I checked and DMA is enabled on my hard drives... what else could it be? (I have a pvr 350)

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Quan:

how do you get mplayer to show the supported codecs?

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Quan:

*brain fart*

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banyan:

did you stumble on the issue?

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banyan:

aent: are you using the pvr-350 TV decoder? And if so, what kernel, and are you watching your CPU usage?

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aent:

I'm not using the decoder, my CPU seems to be around 50% idle

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aent:

while its jittering

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aent:

2.6.17-10-generic kernel

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aent:

ubuntu edgy, mythtv 0.20

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banyan:

hm, strange. I'm having the same cpu usage issue only with fc5 and 2.6.18.

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banyan:

and using the pvr350 tv out.

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aent:

I'm not using the decoder on the card

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aent:

not using the TV out on it, I'm playing it on my second monitor

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banyan:

this is with myth 0.20–138?

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opello:

Quan: mplayer -ac help -vc help should show all ac(audio codecs) and vc(video codecs)

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banyan:

aent: my pc plays back to the monitor at about 20% CPU. It's a 2.5GHz Pentium 4.

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aent:

mine is a 2.2 GHz P4

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mardi_soir:

hello

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mardi_soir:

i have a problem with mysql ho to get a new root password ?

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kambei:

mardi_soir: You can reset it.

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kambei:

mardi_soir: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resett . . . issions.html

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mardi_soir:

thanks !

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mardi_soir:

i just did that !

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cyberkn1:

Can someone help me fix this error message? I am running ver 0.20 on an Ubuntu machine. THe error: NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: /var/lib/mythtv/1012_20061022122102.mpg

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lostinmyth:

can any1 suggest a budget hdtv tuner that supports unencrypted QAM 256 feed

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dtm:

has anyone here run fedora ppc with mythtv from atrpms?

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doggkruse:

anyone here have experience with mythtranscode?

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mardi_soir:

i have another problem

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mardi_soir:

http://pastebin.be/3293/

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mardi_soir:

doggkruse, no sorry

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dtm:

mythtv takes about 5 hours to build on a 233 MHz G3

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xris:

dtm: I hope you installed ccache first.

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dtm:

xris: negative

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mardi_soir:

does someone know about my problem ?

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dtm:

xris: i've only heard of that

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xris:

dtm: caches your compiles so when you recompile it goes faster

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dtm:

yeah.

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Juski:

haha. All you need is ubuntu : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/5388182.stm

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xris:

doggkruse: what are you trying to do with mythtranscode

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doggkruse:

xris: I'm trying to go from mpeg 2 to mpeg4 to save space / bandwidth

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doggkruse:

but even at the highest quality settings it looks like crap

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doggkruse:

the settings seem to make no difference at all

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xris:

quantisation ("quality"), lower is better

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xris:

make sure your resolution is good, too.

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doggkruse:

:/

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doggkruse:

the quality setting lower = better?

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xris:

but you're WAY better off just recording your mpeg2 at a lower bitrate and then cutting out the commercials

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doggkruse:

xris: why is that?

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xris:

doggkruse: because the mpeg2 encoder in a pvr-x50 card is better than the mpeg4 encoder in mythtv

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xris:

and transcoding between them lowers the quality (like copying a vhs tape does)

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doggkruse:

yeah...

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doggkruse:

I haven't been hapy with low bitrate mpeg 2

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doggkruse:

from a pvr 500

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doggkruse:

so you say mpeg 4 will be worse??

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xris:

might be

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xris:

depends on your settings.

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doggkruse:

got it

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doggkruse:

anyway, I have another question for ya

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xris:

you'd have to record super-high mpeg2, and go to relatively low mpeg4... and if your source is analog, it's not really going to do very well no matter what

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doggkruse:

yeah, I think that's what I want to do

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doggkruse:

super high mpeg2

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doggkruse:

then down to 4

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doggkruse:

recently, any recording with a cutlist it jumps at the cutpoints

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xris:

better to just use nuvexport and something like h.264. heh

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doggkruse:

regardless of commercial skip setting

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xris:

cutlist and commercial skip are not the same thing

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** doggkruse thought mpeg4 was h264 **

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xris:

cutlists are always skipped

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doggkruse:

xris, I know

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xris:

no, mpeg4 is divx

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doggkruse:

but its jumping at the cutpoints :/

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xris:

doggkruse: it's supposed to do that

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xris:

that's what a cutlist is for

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doggkruse:

xris, really?

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doggkruse:

I thought it was for cutting the comercials out :/

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xris:

that's why I said: cutlist and commercial skip are not the same thing

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doggkruse:

ah

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xris:

commercial skip uses the commercial flag list

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doggkruse:

I thought it's only use was for transcode

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doggkruse:

<-- cutlist that is

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doggkruse:

good to know

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xris:

it is now, but the mpeg2 lossless commercial cutter is really recent, and not entirely accurate (still f's up on some TS streams)

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doggkruse:

yeah, it's worked pretty well for me

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xris:

yeah, you don't have TS.

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doggkruse:

also reduces size ~ 20% even with no commercials cut

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xris:

about half of the stuff I record from firewire doesn't work properly

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doggkruse:

:/

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doggkruse:

that's too bad

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xris:

we're working out the kinks

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doggkruse:

I'm thinking of getting one of those hdhomerun things

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xris:

no clue what that is

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doggkruse:

seems better than firewire

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doggkruse:

its a networked 2 tuner qam256 thingy

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doggkruse:

http://www.silicondust.com/main/index.php?act . . . ;productId=5

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xris:

except that qam only works with a handful of channels

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xris:

and won't decrypt.

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xris:

I get *all* of my paid-for channels over firewire. SD, HD, HBO, etc.

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doggkruse:

currently I'm still stuck with one tuner of my pvr 500 because charter refuses to give me another cable box without a second tv

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doggkruse:

xris, none of the channels here are encrypted

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xris:

where's "here"?

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doggkruse:

long beach ca

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doggkruse:

charter cable

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xris:

you're lucky, then.

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doggkruse:

or at least that's what they tell me

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xris:

though I thought that all digital stuff was at least partly encrypted.

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doggkruse:

we all know how competent tech support is

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doggkruse:

;)

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xris:

heh. my installer guy didn't even know that box HAD a firewire port, let alone what it might be used for.

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doggkruse:

hah

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doggkruse:

I asked fore a firewire enabled box and they told me that they didn't have a firewall, you had to buy one yourself

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doggkruse:

lol

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xris:

haha

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doggkruse:

and I tried more than once to get one

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doggkruse:

same response :(

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xris:

no hd boxes available?

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xris:

no quoting of the fcc law?

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doggkruse:

I'm not that motivated :(

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doggkruse:

I think eventually I might try...

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doggkruse:

but you have to get past the script reading tech support first

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doggkruse:

and that takes a lot of effort

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xris:

really? I just say "can I please speak to your manager?"

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xris:

I think they have to comply

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doggkruse:

heh

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doggkruse:

"Why do you want to speak to my manager, I'm sure I can be of help with your ____ problem"

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xris:

never had that issue.

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doggkruse:

"I'm sorry your having ______ problem tonight"

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doggkruse:

then I get "transferred"

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doggkruse:

which basically means the line goes dead

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doggkruse:

and then I start over again

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xris:

lame

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doggkruse:

I actually started recording my calls because of this

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doggkruse:

its really a pita

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doggkruse:

I guess I just need to ask "can I please speak with someone who knows what firewire is?"

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doggkruse:

and spell wire

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xris:

heh

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doggkruse:

night xris

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doggkruse:

thanks

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kambei:

I have an issue that is not specifically Myth-related.

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kambei:

I am using the S-Video out to a television, and the picture is distorted, most noticeably around the edges.

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kambei:

The picture itself is fine, otherwise.

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kambei:

Is this normal?

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dtm:

kambei: it could be, because TVs have a concept called "overscan" which is just the fatty gravy around the edges

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dtm:

kambei: most CRT TVs, especially anything > 5 or so yrs old, are not designed to display beyond a certain "safe zone"

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dtm:

kambei: if you ever edit video, you'll see a magical box in the middle that you shouldn't go outside of

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Dagmar:

...which myth totally ignores

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Dagmar:

...by expecting to be able to draw UI elements right up to the edges of the screen.

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kambei:

That's the other thing.

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kambei:

When I specify an overscan in my X config such that the wavy edges are hidden, Myth is cut off.

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kambei:

It's not a huge deal, obviously, but I am just into my second month of Myth usership, and wanted to see if it was a common issue.

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kraut:

moin

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dtm:

kambei: i don't know if you can specify mythfrontend's strict resolution that well

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dtm:

kambei: it doesn't sound right that overscan would cut the resolution.

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dtm:

kambei: i mean it doesn't make sense

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dtm:

kambei: i guess that's just how it is.

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dtm:

but yeah, mythtv shouldn't need to be aware of overscan.

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dtm:

it should have a 1024x768 or whatever screen, that's already had overscan excluded.

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Juski:

1024x768 will only get scaled down by your tv encoder on the vga card

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Juski:

better to display at as close a resolution to either a) the TV's native resolution or b) the resolution of the TV format you use

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Juski:

and if you can output interlaced video to your tv (PAL or NTSC) so much the better :)

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** Juski uses 720x576i – no need to deinterlace at all.. and scaling is spot on 1:1 :) **

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slaine_:

Juski, What card do you have that does interlace out ?

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Juski:

cle266 :)

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Juski:

nvidia cards sometimes do too, but depends on the driver

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Juski:

although you can eliminate the need to deinterlace by turning up the flicker filter a tad with nvidia-settings

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dtm:

Juski: hi.

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Juski:

hey dtm

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slaine_:

Juski, Sweet, thats the chipset I use

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slaine_:

Currently set to 720x576NOSCALE

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slaine_:

Looks good at that, but I'll try out your one for comparison

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Juski:

my one? mine IS 720x576Moscale

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Juski:

<8 minimyth :)

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ivor:

Moscale... Mooo.

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Juski:

oh noes! a forum user has changed the recording setting on his tivo to TS mode. he has pvr500 card. wow. never realised Tivo had pvr500 cards in em :-P

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Juski:

ivor: Noscale rocketh :)

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Dagmar:

Well, it does if you're really, really high.

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Juski:

same guy has problems with mythtv 2.0 so I can only assume he's that time traveller dude from the interweb

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Dagmar:

Yep. High.

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Dagmar:

Find out if his dealer lives near you

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Juski:

cos it must be 'good shit' ?

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Dagmar:

Definitely

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Juski:

Tivo might get a bit upset about folks calling mythboxen 'tivos'

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Juski:

they might also get upset if 'tivo' ever becomes a common verb.. heh

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dorel__:

how can i change mtd's log file?

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dorel__:

when mtd is ran as daemon mode it has to have a logfile, i want to change it's current locaion

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Dagmar:

ls -al

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Dagmar:

bleh

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qu0zl:

does it write to a file or to stdout/stderr? If it's the later then try mtd -d 2>&1 > ./a.log dorel__

[09:00:24]

qu0zl:

if it doesn't put it's logging info to stdout or stderr then no idea how to control it

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dorel__:

ok

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dtm:

i compiled mythtv and then did 'make install' and it's acting like it's compiling it again somehow.

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dtm:

that sucks because it took 5 hours already

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Dagmar:

Something very seriously broke then

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Dagmar:

Gcc should never be invoked during the install target

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Dagmar:

..and don't excaggerate your build times

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dtm:

....?! what?

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dorel__:

is it an issue already known that mtd freezes when ripping dvds?

[09:04:52]

dorel__:

ill check which version i have

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dtm:

Dagmar: what would prompt you to say such a ridiculous thing about my statement?

[09:05:49]

Dagmar:

The ability to do simple math.

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dtm:

why on earth would it matter to anyone for any reason how long i say it took? it took almost exactly five hours.

[09:05:55]

dtm:

huh?

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dtm:

to do what simple math, on what?

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Dagmar:

I know it's confusing for you.

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dtm:

exactly which numbers are you doing simple math on?

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Dagmar:

It's when you do things with numbers to make them into other numbers.

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Dagmar:

The amount of time it takes to build MythTV on my platform, and working backwards to see what speed you have to be running at for it to take five hours

[09:08:03]

dtm:

that makes no sense whatsoever, assuming that was even possible.

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dtm:

it takes at least five hours to build it on a 233 MHz G3, fool.

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Dagmar:

Are you running on a 440Mhz machine?

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dtm:

end of discussion

[09:08:31]

Dagmar:

That's your own stupid fault then.

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Dagmar:

So don't whine at us.

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Dagmar:

Building it on a damn 233Mhz machine is stupid.

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evildagmar:

There's simply no sane reason to compile something on a box so incredibly slow that it can't actually run it.

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gr0mit:

hi – can anyone point me to a how-to for getting svideo out of a Geforce4 MX4000 card?

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dtm:

gr0mit: you could ask in #nvidia

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gr0mit:

join #nvidia

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evildagmar:

You could also just read the README that comes with the driber.

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evildagmar:

s/driber/driver/;

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Puh:

i wonder if there are plans to enable recording multiple dvb channels from one mux with a single tuner

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Puh:

that would be neat

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evildagmar:

Yeah. but eventually those guys sober up

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TakKovacs:

has anyone got any experience with transcoding ?

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evildagmar:

Bad ones.

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TakKovacs:

lol

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evildagmar:

It's always very slow.

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TakKovacs:

I'm wanting to reduce the size of my recordings..they are all in mpeg2 format..I'm guessing converting these to mpeg4 should give me 2:1

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dtm:

TakKovacs: doesn't mythtranscode do that by default?

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dtm:

TakKovacs: and yes, 2:1 on average

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dtm:

at least

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evildagmar:

Yep

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evildagmar:

That's been my experience as well

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evildagmar:

Goes from about 2.2Gb/hour to 1.1Gb/hour when you transcode to DivX with the more or less default settings

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TakKovacs:

hmmm..ok...I'm getting around 2Gb/hour

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TakKovacs:

so I'm guessing this is mpeg4 format ?

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evildagmar:

Why would you guess?

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TakKovacs:

purely by the size...

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TakKovacs:

anyway to tell for sure ?

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evildagmar:

...and you shouldn't be guessing _that_, anyway.

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evildagmar:

You're using a PVR-xxx card. They encode to mpeg2.

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TakKovacs:

I'm using a DVB card

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evildagmar:

Use the file utility.

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TakKovacs:

aha...2014_20060930200700.mpg: MPEG sequence, v2, program multiplex

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evildagmar:

You can't make assumptions based on file size unless the size of the _video frames_ are fixed.

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TakKovacs:

thanks evildagmar

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evildagmar:

np

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TakKovacs:

next dumb question then...how do I set up an mpeg2->mpeg4 transcoder ?

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caitlin:

yo

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TakKovacs:

yo caitlin

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caitlin:

my pc is dying a rapid death. i need a new one

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caitlin:

what. a. minefield.

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TakKovacs:

mmmm painful...

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dtm:

mine's death is slow <3

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Juski:

bah transcoding. buy bigger HDDs, paupers :)

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dtm:

silence, scurvy knave!

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Juski:

or keep less TV. there's sod all worth keeping anyway :)

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dtm:

lol.

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dtm:

+5 insightful

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Juski:

I wonder how many GBs I've deleted in the course of my 2 year long mythage

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dtm:

a moment of silence for our fallen gigabytes from the field

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dtm:

Juski is the destroyer of data

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gbee:

what's this? You're a GBee hitman?

[09:58:57]

** gbee looks over his shoulder **

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dtm:

:-o

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dtm:

Juski is a bad, baaaaad dude

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dtm:

beware, gigabytes and timewasters!!

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TakKovacs:

lol at Juski...i've got ~0.5 terabyte..just working out the best way to archive all of my simpsons episodes..

[10:02:14]

evildagmar:

By buying more drives

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evildagmar:

500Gb wont' hold them

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evildagmar:

...not if you want to be able to record other things anyway

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TakKovacs:

nah..case is full..can't split back and front end...long story

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TakKovacs:

<---takes my .5TB and sits in a corner...

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gbee:

I get by with 100Gb ;)

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TakKovacs:

i used to have 100Gb..then upgraded and still filling it up..

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caitlin:

uurg

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galorin:

Howdy. I'm trying to use mytharchive (myth 0.20, mythplugins 0.20a) and re-encoding dies on me when it hits ffmpeg. Anything I can do to correct this?

[10:18:05]

caitlin:

who make decend mobos for myth stuff?

[10:18:51]

evildagmar:

Anyone

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aevil:

caitlin, everything that runs well with linux, of course

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evildagmar:

Excepting PCChips and FIC

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caitlin:

asus are cheap

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TakKovacs:

i find asus are pretty good caitlin

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caitlin:

mr parker1 bloke used a gigabyte

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caitlin:

i'm going with a socket 939 althon64 :/

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caitlin:

i so dont havea clue what i'm doing :p

[10:23:12]

TakKovacs:

not that cheap..p5w dh..$au400

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Zider:

A64 sounds a bit.. overkill.. unless you'regonna play backHDTV..

[10:25:28]

galorin:

I'm running ASUS right now, I'll buy non-asus for others, but I've used ASUS for years.

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caitlin:

what's cheaper?

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caitlin:

semprons?

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TakKovacs:

i'm using a p4c800e which is about 3 years old..works really well

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caitlin:

what's going on with the bloody sockets? they well blew standardisation out of the window

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caitlin:

i miss socket 7!!!!

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galorin:

caitlin, well, there's aopen, biostar foxconn, abit, MSI for cheap motherboards, but you get what you pay for.

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aevil:

im still using a 5 year old super-cheap motherboard, no complains

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caitlin:

the one i have is 6 yrs old. 1.6gig p4 but the thing is a mite unstable and leaking from the caps

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Juski:

TakKovacs: there's a new invention out called 'DVD' or something. You can actually buy whole seasons of TV shows in one box ;-)

[10:34:46]

Ruleke:

yeah you can even buy the same movies 5 times in different versions :P

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TakKovacs:

ah Juski...tell me more :-) lol

[10:37:13]

Juski:

caitlin: I know exactly what you're saying. the socket issue is something I find very confuzzling too

[10:39:19]

Juski:

anyone doing proper multipass transcoding here? optimisations for cartoon stuff? that'd make for useful scripts ;)

[10:40:07]

Merlin83b:

Started doing transcoding funnery recently. nuv2avi knocks audio out of sync for me :(

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Juski:

I thought nuv2avi was just for nuppelvid (mythtv's native format)

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Merlin83b:

Yep, so it comes down as mpg from DVB, transcode in myth to divx/mp3, ends up as .nuv, nuv2avi to change that and then the audio is progressively out of sync.

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Merlin83b:

Playing the .nuv inside mfe works fine.

[10:42:49]

VRe:

Does anyone now if it's possible to increase the buffering in frontend? The picture is jerking when watched over wlan (random noise screws it up)..

[10:43:51]

galorin:

Are there known issues with ffmpeg when using mytharchive, or do I need to check my own system?

[10:43:54]

Juski:

use a proper network connection.. i.e. a physical one

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VRe:

Juski: I would if it would be feasible solution

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Juski:

sounds to me like you need some way of stopping the interference being so much of a problem

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Ruleke:

disable encryption too :)

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Juski:

stop using the microwave oven, ditch your mobile phones & DECT phones, ban taxis from your street...

[10:50:10]

Juski:

or get a repeater or two ;-)

[10:50:17]

Merlin83b:

Or a big long wire.

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VRe:

yeah: adding a bit of buffering solves the interference problem.. now what file I supposed to knife to get further?

[10:50:37]

Juski:

the big laugh with wireless is that it actually requires far _more_ wires

[10:50:48]

Ruleke:

huh ?

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Juski:

mains adapters etc

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Juski:

all those nasty wall warts

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Ruleke:

I'm very happy that I can use my laptop without any wires though

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Ruleke:

that's been the killer function for me

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Juski:

would be for me too, but I like my network fast & always there

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Ruleke:

never had a problem for stuff like surfing etc :)

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Ruleke:

actually I scp'd an .iso file yesterday in 3 minutes

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Ruleke:

good enough

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Juski:

anyway.. the bufferring in mythtv could maybe be changed.. someone looks forward to somebody's patch somewhere

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evildagmar:

heh

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Juski:

maybe a 'my network is shite, use 50MB buffers' tickbox

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Juski:

put it on the same menu page as the 'I'm a noob, confuse the hell out of me' setting

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galorin:

I've been looking for that last setting....don't want to be confused.

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Ruleke:

you want to disable it or enable it ? confusing ;)

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evildagmar:

Juski: I like that setting

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evildagmar:

If I thought it would be accepted, I'd go code that so that it completely randomizes the location of each and every setup menu item

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galorin:

Needs 3 Radio buttons. one for confused, one for more confused, and one for WTF

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Juski:

the way my memory is, you may aswell

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Juski:

rumour has it that every menu is gonna be brought out into xml files :)

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evildagmar:

That will own

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Ruleke:

heh "own"

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Juski:

pwn@g3 !

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knoppmythNewbie:

Morning all... Just installed knoppmyth R5C7 after giving up on R5D1. Got all the way through (I thought) and went to hit the Watch TV, and I get nothing. A blank screen. From which I can't leave with a single escape, have to try several. Note that I'm using a monitor, not a TV. I'm assuming (hoping) that I missed a setting somewhere. Any ideas?

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knoppmythNewbie:

Hi seth|laptop

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knoppmythNewbie:

For all the gory details of the installation, see http://www.cplug.net/wiki/Knoppmyth_for_a_dummy

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** knoppmythNewbie thinks maybe he should change that "for" to "by" ;-) **

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qu0zl:

knoppmythNewbie you're better off asking for knoppmyth support in the knoppmyth channel tbh, few of us here use it

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qu0zl:

check to see if you can read from your video device outside of mythtv

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qu0zl:

it's probably /dev/video0

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qu0zl:

make sure it's working outside mythtv first

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knoppmythNewbie:

Well, I figured that it would be more mythTV than the distro on which it's installed.

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qu0zl:

doesn't sound liek it tbh

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qu0zl:

that sounds like your video card isn't working correctly

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qu0zl:

tuner card even

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qu0zl:

you need to prove to yourself that your tuner card is working outside of mythtv. then if it is start messing around with mythtv

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qu0zl:

otherwise you may waste your time

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knoppmythNewbie:

Make sure it's working outside mythTV first? It's the monitor, the one and only, the one I see the desktop, and the myth frontend menus on.

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qu0zl:

i said tuner card, not monitor

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seth|laptop:

Is there a knoppmyth channel?

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knoppmythNewbie:

Right, I'm not using a TV, nor tuner card.

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seth|laptop:

I wasn't aware of one

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qu0zl:

knoppmythNewbie, how are you getting in tv to watch without a tuner card? I mean a pvr500 or dvb card or whatever

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qu0zl:

you clearly are using something if you expect to be able to watch tv with mythtv?

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seth|laptop:

no tv, no tuner card, what exactly are you trying to watch?

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seth|laptop:

do you have a slave?

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knoppmythNewbie:

Well, when I had R5D1 (which had other problems, I could start the front end, pick the menu item Watch TV, and the show would show up on the monitor.

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qu0zl:

knoppmythNewbie, you have something that picks up either analogue or digital tv

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knoppmythNewbie:

Nope, one box so far, master backend/frontend

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qu0zl:

it sounds like that is not setup correctly

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qu0zl:

prove to yourself that it is from outside mythtv

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qu0zl:

depending on what card it is try cat /dev/video0 > a.mpeg

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qu0zl:

or try xawtv

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knoppmythNewbie:

Ah.... tuner card as in input device, sorry thought you were talking about as an output.

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qu0zl:

it may not be a mythtv issue, it sounds like a ivtv or whatever the dvb equivalent is issue

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knoppmythNewbie:

When I installed I did a channel scan. It seemed to ....mmmmm

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knoppmythNewbie:

When I did the channel scan, after the progress box closed the screen showed "Scanning" with a big frame underneath, that was empty. Should that've shown some of the channels scanned?

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knoppmythNewbie:

Is that an indicator that it's not "receiving"?

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seth|laptop:

correct, if you did a scan, and nothing showed up, you don't have a source signal. If you have 2 inputs for cable coax, make sure you are not plugged into the FM tuner input

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knoppmythNewbie:

Oh, and the tuner card's a PVR-350

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seth|laptop:

do you have 2 inputs

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seth|laptop:

for cable

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knoppmythNewbie:

RIght, top is FM, second is TV, then the S-Video. I'm confident that the cable's in the right connection, but I'll check that. I'll also check that that particular bit of cable has signal. Then, I guess, go to the capture card setup and check that out.

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seth|laptop:

you would see that from the scan, if it is cable, you should get a crap load of channels, and they should start at "2" in oour area

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knoppmythNewbie:

I've already checked that it's all plugged in, but didn't check for signal.

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knoppmythNewbie:

K thanks seth and qu0zl, now I'm pointed in the right direction.

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seth|laptop:

and you have the input sources all configured properly, that would be the next xtep

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seth|laptop:

step even

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knoppmythNewbie:

Right, in the capture card setup, right?

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seth|laptop:

correct

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knoppmythNewbie:

mmmm is that an option in frontend /utilities setup/setup? Or do I have to go somewhere else?

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seth|laptop:

also loook at the output of 'ivtv-detect' to see which /dev/videox your card is using

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knoppmythNewbie:

I remember the option during configuration.

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knoppmythNewbie:

but not in the frontend.

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seth|laptop:

in knoppmyth, do a 'alt-x' bring up an xterm, and then run 'ivtv-detect' and record the output

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knoppmythNewbie:

K, will do

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seth|laptop:

my pvr150 for the tuner uses /dev/video1

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seth|laptop:

but ivtv-detect will show you this

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knoppmythNewbie:

K thanks

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Ruleke:

I didn't think you could scan channels with a wintv pvr card tbh... :/

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knoppmythNewbie:

Ruleke, I did with R5D1, I assume that I should be able to with R5C7.

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seth|laptop:

cornell, I have updated your wiki page, with the answers you needed to complete it. Have at it :-)

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cyberkn1:

Can someone help me fix this error message? I am running ver 0.20 on an Ubuntu machine. THe error: NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: /var/lib/mythtv/1012_20061022122102.mpg

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knoppmythNewbie:

Thanks all, TTFN

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imperfect-:

Aynone here experience wobbly video when dealing in HDTV Air signals?

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imperfect-:

Is there anything I can do about it?

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Kelerion:

afternoon all

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Neeesat25:

Hello to all

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Juski:

hey hey Kelerion :)

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Juski:

not long left now!

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Neeesat25:

When I am watching TV my box is recording all the time. How can I turn off this function?

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** Kelerion thwaps justs around da head with some kind of wet river animal **

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Kelerion:

Juski..even

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Kelerion:

last time we mentioned hotels you said you'd sort it out and I'd give you the cash when I got there! lol

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** Kelerion goes to look at hotels **

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caitlin:

so, i have a new unbought pc at one end, and my TV at the otehr with a scart socket on it

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caitlin:

how the fuck do you join them up?!

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caitlin:

i've been using an agp card with s-video composite on it

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caitlin:

but seems i can't get a mobo that can *use* that anymore

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imperfect-:

Anyone got any advice for wobbly video from HDTV?

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imperfect-:

the mpeg motion blur is irritating as hell

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seth|laptop:

have you changed the de-interlacing type around?

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imperfect-:

it's all default

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Juski:

Kelerion: I thought we'd agreed that I'd find the place... I sent you a mail saying where I was gonna be staying & I didn't have the funds to pay for both lots in one go. hey ho

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imperfect-:

Think there's an interlacing setting somewhere?

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Juski:

utils/setup > setup > tv > playback

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seth|laptop:

imperfect-: try changing the "Utilities > Setup > TV Settings > TV Playback to Bobx2 De-interlacing, and ffmpeg decoder

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seth|laptop:

actually I use One Filed and ffmpeg, but you will find the one that works best for you

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seth|laptop:

One Field even

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Juski:

or if you have a nvidia vga card & you're using tvout, crank up the flicker filter in nvidia-settings a notch

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Kelerion:

Juski.. no problems... I'll get it sorted today :)

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Juski:

I woulda done it had it not been for my pitiful bank balance at the time

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Kelerion:

so I only need it for 2 nights right? tuesday and wednesday?

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Juski:

anyway there's plenty of hotels around Earls Court.. mmy last email had plenty vacancies

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Juski:

Kelerion: depends how long you wanna stay.. I'm only in for 2 nights. my train is at 8pm on Thursday

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Neeesat25:

I have loaded my sound card ok and I have set in mythtv to use /dev/dsp device for audio but still I dont have sound

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seth|laptop:

have you set the volume levels with alsamixer?

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Neeesat25:

I have also install alsa and alsa-utils and all my volumes are on

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seth|laptop:

ok

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seth|laptop:

digital audio, or analog from the line out jack?

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Neeesat25:

analog

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Krazylegz:

seth|laptop: Dude. Locals. /join #lanc-lug .

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gbee:

Juski: pass arrived yet?

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seth|laptop:

Neeesat25: sorry then, my only suggestion would have been check the levels in alsa mixer

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seth|laptop:

:-(

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Neeesat25:

are all up and on

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seth|laptop:

I use the spidf connection on my mobo, the only thing on in my alsamixer is master, pcm, cd, IEC958 and the volume on the IEC958 is at 0, everything else is muted

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Neeesat25:

Sorry bad wire

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Neeesat25:

I have change the wire and it's ok

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Ruleke:

IEC958 is spdif right ?

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Neeesat25:

Sound out ok now

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seth|laptop:

Ruleke: yes

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seth|laptop:

cool Neeesat25

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Neeesat25:

Also as long I have tv working, Mythtv is recording all the time

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Neeesat25:

can I stop this?

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Ruleke:

how can you watch and pause tv if it doesn't record it ?

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Neeesat25:

Can I disable this feature?

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seth|laptop:

no, since .19 I think, it always records, that is how you do the pauses and stuff like Ruleke says

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** seth|laptop doesn't really know as he started with .19 **

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Neeesat25:

OK

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Neeesat25:

let it run then

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gbee:

no, Mythtv is a PVR – the whole point is it records :)

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gbee:

it will delete livetv files afterwards – so you don't run out of space

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gbee:

and it recorded before 0.19 too, only in a different way

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Neeesat25:

Some time I get errors and needs to exit from tv

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Neeesat25:

I get back in and all are ok again

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Neeesat25:

I get Error was encountered while displaying video

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** seth|laptop has seen this error **

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** gbee prints out a map covering Olympia, the pub and the hostel **

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Neeesat25:

This happens when I change channels

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seth|laptop:

usually after alot of ffwd-ing and skipping around

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Neeesat25:

Any fix for it?

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seth|laptop:

I haven't had it happen that much, I just exit out and go back in again, sorry

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Neeesat25:

I used the latest mythtv with fixes

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Ediehow:

one of my recording things got screwed up

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Ediehow:

my scheduled recordings

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Ediehow:

to where it has a blank title, so i don't know how to edit it now

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Kelerion:

Juski... hotel booked

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Juski:

gbee: yup. I thought I'd told you already

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Juski:

Kelerion: (phew!)

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D-side:

Juski: good luck tomorrow.

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D-side:

remember to take pics.

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Juski:

all the passes are in. all the printing is done. my end of the CDs haven't been done.

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Kelerion:

6 miles away...anything closer was either booked out or 125 quid a night.,. lol

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Kelerion:

6 miles away is only 10–15 mins in a taxi though..so not bad

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gbee:

Juski: you mentioned that it should be in the post, I was just checking that it had arrived :)

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Juski:

Kelerion: jesus. pity you didn't read the email I sent out yesterday

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Juski:

read/ get

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gbee:

I'm 5 minutes walk away ;)

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Kelerion:

Juski: I did... I got the hotel from that site

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Juski:

I'm erm... somewhere

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Juski:

Kelerion: heh. so they'd gone fully booked in such a short time? arse

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Kelerion:

gbee: which hotel?

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gbee:

but then I'm probably the only one who chose a hostel over a hotel :)

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Juski:

I'm in the Oxford, which AFAICT is right round the corner

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Neeesat25:

Juski sorry for interapting but what hotel and from where?

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Juski:

Neeesat25: ??

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gbee:

Kelerion: the YHA in Holland Park

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Juski:

we're having a MythTV shindig :P

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gbee:

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Kelerion:

gbee: aah :)

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Juski:

haven't stayed in a hostel since I was 20

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Neeesat25:

Oh

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Kelerion:

I spend about a month a year in hotels.. lol

[13:15:30]

Juski:

dormitories.. :-O

[13:16:05]

Neeesat25:

Is there a presentation or a fair for mythtv?

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Kelerion:

Neeesat25: Linux Expo at Olympia2 in London

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Ediehow:

Juski: do you have any ideas?

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gbee:

it's been a couple of years for me, but I'm an outdoors person (hiking, climbing) and I studied Geology so I've spent a lot of time in hostels

[13:16:43]

Neeesat25:

When?

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Kelerion:

Wednesday/Thursday

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Juski:

now if I'd hassled Isaac some more (which to be fair I did quite a bit) there'd have been an announcement on the mythtv.org site

[13:17:17]

Juski:

well.. I asked three times

[13:17:22]

** Kelerion chuckles **

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Ediehow:

one of my scheduled recordings has a blank title, so i don't know how to edit it now

[13:17:55]

Ediehow:

you can't click on it in mythweb

[13:17:58]

Ediehow:

cuz you can't access title

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Juski:

there'll be a full post-mortem in my blog & on the mailing list when it's all over anyway

[13:18:38]

Juski:

this time I'm making notes

[13:18:53]

Kelerion:

and lots of photos.. lol

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seth|laptop:

Ediehow: the only way I know how to edit recordings is from the frontend

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Juski:

onyl reason we didn't take many photos at LRL was we were too bloody busy

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gbee:

Juski: it'll be easier in the future, right now editing the news page is umm, difficult

[13:19:52]

Juski:

the two of us, vs prolly hundreds of people

[13:20:12]

Kelerion:

there'll be more than a couple of hundred at Olympia.. lol

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D-side:

got a webcam?

[13:20:16]

Juski:

gbee: ah well. would've been nice is all I meant by it :)

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Juski:

no internet access on the booth

[13:20:24]

Kelerion:

D-side: no internet access

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seth|laptop:

ack

[13:20:33]

Juski:

which is ironic

[13:20:37]

D-side:

well, really i meant the physical device

[13:20:44]

seth|laptop:

would have been nice to see it from here in the US

[13:20:49]

Kelerion:

well I have one yes..

[13:20:56]

Juski:

we have something called mythtv there, and a video camera :-P

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D-side:

use some kind of webcam software that saves snapshots every couple minutes

[13:21:06]

gbee:

Juski: sure, I'm sure Isaac would have done it when you first asked if adding a news item weren't so complicated

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seth|laptop:

sweet

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D-side:

so you dont even have to think about it, other than maybe occasionally moving it

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Kelerion:

ack...as if I don't have enough to setup! lol

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D-side:

just a thought. :)

[13:21:48]

Juski:

exactly! hey it's our show & we're doing what we're doing. If guys in the USA wanna know how it looks/feels to exhibit MythTV, do it yourselves!

[13:21:59]

Juski:

;-)

[13:22:02]

** Kelerion chuckles **

[13:22:14]

D-side:

bah!

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seth|laptop:

well there is the linux mesh application, could always beam it in from the hotel, sorry hostel

[13:22:19]

gbee:

what? I'll have to dodge webcams and video cameras, as well as ordinary cameras? :P

[13:22:20]

** Kelerion hands Juski some chillpills **

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D-side:

i probably would get involved if they still had the LWE in NYC

[13:22:56]

Juski:

well really. all these folks who said "oh I wish there was an expo where mythtv was gonna appear..." there's no shortage of shows...

[13:23:02]

Kelerion:

right... afk..gotta go buy a new case

[13:23:21]

Juski:

Kelerion: a _new_ _case_ ?! Suitcase ?

[13:24:19]

Juski:

I'm not being arsy folks.. you just need to get out there & do something. Even something small like taking a box to your local LUG, or have some people round to your house.. have mythtv install party or something :)

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D-side:

Juski: i do my part by coming in here and insulting people.

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** seth|laptop has people at his house all the time, has built 3 boxes because of it, has done the LUG, just needs a conference hall, and a projector, at like a college or something, and I would be glad to do a demo **

[13:25:43]

Juski:

not gonna sleep well tonight. too damn excited

[13:25:45]

seth|laptop:

:-)

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D-side:

i was always told to play to my strengths

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Juski:

seth|laptop: it gets tricky when you get into public spaces... costly too

[13:26:29]

Juski:

our booth is being sponsored by uklinux.net

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Juski:

it'd be impossible otherwise

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Merlin83b:

Do you know how much the booth is, Juski?

[13:27:02]

Juski:

serious amounts of money

[13:27:18]

Merlin83b:

I'll take that as a no :)

[13:27:29]

Juski:

rental of the stand furniture is expensive too

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Juski:

plus power...

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gbee:

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gbee:

but I could be wrong

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Juski:

been trying to think of a way to get some free CDs printed for next time.. maybe I can strike a deal with a dupe house

[13:28:43]

Juski:

gbee: sounds about right

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Juski:

like I said.. serious cash for people doing it for the love of it

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gbee:

aye

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Merlin83b:

True

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Juski:

drop in the ocean to a business maybe

[13:29:36]

Juski:

you could make it work, but only if people donate money for it

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Merlin83b:

Aye. How many CDs, Juski? KnoppMyth?

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Juski:

Merlin83b: I'm gonna do as many as I can.. minimum of 50 tonight. Knoppmyth with 0.20

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** seth|laptop warns against knoppmyth R5D1 if you're burning cd's, AMD64 and Sempron64 users will not have much luck, recommends R5C7 **

[13:31:06]

Juski:

hell even if the freebie cds have 'ACME CD burning Co.' plastered all over em.. if they're free to us I don't care

[13:31:18]

Merlin83b:

Yep, don't think many other people would care too.

[13:31:47]

gbee:

think it's R5D18 that is being used, at least by Cecil?

[13:31:57]

Juski:

gbee: yup

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seth|laptop:

well I know they were testing R5D16, with mythtv .20, but as far as I know they were still having issues with the AMD thing

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Juski:

I've never had any luck with any release of knoppmyth personally but that's not stopping me recommending it

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seth|laptop:

oh, I have had great success with r5c7, no major issues

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Juski:

actually I still have about 30 older discs..

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Juski:

left-overs from LRL

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Juski:

people looked at me like I was mad when they got the answer to 'who provided the freebie CDs?'

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gbee:

Juski: I used it on my parents box for ease – but I've been meaning to switch because I've had nothing but trouble with X11 forwarding and knoppmyth

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Juski:

heh

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seth|laptop:

my father-in-law, new knoppmyth r5c7 user, couldn't beleive the software was free, wanted to pay me for it.

[13:35:26]

Juski:

it'd be no big deal not having any CDs to hand out IMHO

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gbee:

it's still using 0.19 yep? if that's the case it's a shame because 0.20 offered a lot for the UK user imho

[13:35:48]

Juski:

Cecil plans to burn some on-demand anyway, which should sort some wheat from the chaff

[13:35:58]

D-side:

you know

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D-side:

i know you hate me for my suggestions already

[13:36:25]

D-side:

but i wonder if maybe you could just have the tarballs on hand, since any true geek wouldnt leave home without a usb mem stick.

[13:36:26]

Juski:

gbee: the one I've got my hands on is 0.20

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Juski:

D-side: your're a fucking genius!

[13:36:50]

D-side:

look i'm just trying to help

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Juski:

I'm always forgetting those things even exist

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D-side:

you dont have to get all sarcastic

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Juski:

I wasn't being sarcastic

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seth|laptop:

I think he was serious

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D-side:

oh. heh.

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gbee:

yeah? ah that's good then

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D-side:

well then yes. yes i am. :D

[13:37:46]

Juski:

maybe not a genius.. but a damn good idea.. excellent lateral thinking AND good for us & the environment

[13:38:02]

Juski:

BYO !

[13:38:05]

Juski:

(burn yer own!)

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GreyFoxx:

Hell with the size of usb sticks these days I you could copy minimyth/knoppmyth tarball/iso to them as well

[13:38:45]

GreyFoxx:

A pick your poisin

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D-side:

possibly, yeah

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** seth|laptop has a 1 GB usb stick with knoppmyth r5c7 and the mythtv .20a tarballs from mythtv.org, and the latest nvidia, alsa, mpeg2dec, ffmpeg, and all of my themes, 1 stop solution **

[13:39:30]

seth|laptop:

hehe

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gr0mit:

0.20 roxxx...

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gr0mit:

especailly if you are in the uk.

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GreyFoxx:

If my wife had her way I'd be moving over there heh

[13:40:09]

** seth|laptop switched to the grey OSD theme over the weekend, agrees that it complitments PG theme very nicveley **

[13:40:13]

seth|laptop:

nicely even

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GreyFoxx:

seth|laptop: It's my favourite hehe, though admittedly I'm biased :)

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fryfrog:

what is PG theme? url? I've been using retro

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seth|laptop:

Project Greyham

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Juski:

PG is now at 2.0 you know

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seth|laptop:

and works with .20 myth, at least for me

[13:41:16]

Juski:

www.juski.co.uk/pg/

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fryfrog:

also, *heck yeah* i seem to have fixed my IOBOUND issues :)

[13:41:33]

Juski:

seth|laptop: no segfaults with mythgallery?

[13:41:41]

seth|laptop:

no

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: what was causing it ?

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Juski:

cool. couldn't remember if I'd fixx0red it

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fryfrog:

I increased the buffer

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** Juski breathes a sigh of relief at not having to burn CDs tonight **

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: What buffer/where ?:)

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seth|laptop:

wife uses mythgallery all the time, she takes the card from her camera, and I have it set to automount, and fire up mythgallery, she has not complained about anything going wrong

[13:42:30]

fryfrog:

in umm... RingBuffer.cpp it had 10 * 1024 * 1024, i changed to 40

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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fryfrog:

can wide and not-wide of grey co exist?

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fryfrog:

i mean, they don't live in the same dir i hope?

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seth|laptop:

noi

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GreyFoxx:

Just rename the directories

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seth|laptop:

I have both on my laptop

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fryfrog:

k

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fryfrog:

did you say there was a theme to go with it?

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fryfrog:

er, osd?

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GreyFoxx:

I have like 6 different Gray-OSD's on my box they all just have different names hehe

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seth|laptop:

grey OSD

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: Gray-OSD is included in 0.20+

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fryfrog:

ahhh

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fryfrog:

thanks

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seth|laptop:

ack, Heros and Justice are on at the same time tonight!!

[13:47:12]

fryfrog:

now to x11vnc it :)

[13:47:18]

fryfrog:

Justice?

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fryfrog:

Heroes FTW :)

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seth|laptop:

good show on Fox

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fryfrog:

sounds like a crime show?

[13:47:43]

** seth|laptop is glad he has 2 HD cards now **

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seth|laptop:

yes, a lwafirm, tries a case, of which you never know the "whole story" and then after they win/lose (never saw a loss yet) they show you at the end what really happened

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seth|laptop:

lawfirm even

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fryfrog:

i see :/

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fryfrog:

how long has it been ota?

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seth|laptop:

this would be the 4th episode, Baseball has bumped it up until now

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** seth|laptop shakes his fist at fox and the major league **

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

Juski: thanks for the link :)

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fryfrog:

now my xbox matches my mythbox :)

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seth|laptop:

is there myth .20 for xbox yet?

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seth|laptop:

rather xebian

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fryfrog:

does anyone recall what the different layouts for themes are?

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fryfrog:

ie, default and old or what ever?

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fryfrog:

I seem to recall the change at ~0.18, but I don't remember what it did

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Juski:

fryfrog: I only ever use the theme default

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mjelva:

have any of you gotten tv-out working on a geforce3 ti200? i've got the driver working on a crt, but not on tv-out.

[13:59:46]

Juski:

mjelva: you might need nvtv ;)

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fryfrog:

the only thing i don't really like is that "Watch TV" is the first entry and... who *uses* it?

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Zider:

has anyone got mythstream to compile with 0.20?

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fryfrog:

mjelva: if you *just* hook up the tv out, does it not boot with it?

[14:00:17]

Juski:

Zider: it's working in the latest minimyth

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Juski:

prolly worth looking at the GAR build stuff to find the patches for it

[14:00:33]

fryfrog:

what is mythstream?

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Zider:

Juski: minimyth?

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mjelva:

fryfrog: i do get a picture during boot, yea. in b/w.

[14:00:41]

mjelva:

Juski: i'll give that a shot

[14:00:47]

Zider:

fryfrog: plugin for shoutcast-streaming

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Juski:

fryfrog: mythstream (not mythstreamtv) is a plugin to watch/listen to internet streams

[14:01:03]

fryfrog:

mjelva: could your cable have a bent pin? or maybe your card is in PAL (or NTSC)?

[14:01:06]

Merlin83b:

mjelva: Sounds like the difference between S-video and composite.

[14:01:22]

Merlin83b:

I get black and white if the TV is expecting S-Video and I use a composite cable.

[14:01:33]

Merlin83b:

(X config recently modified to stop that dumb behaviour)

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mjelva:

Merlin83b: my card has an s-video port. the tv has composite and scart.

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fryfrog:

And you can get b&w if your tv is PAL and your card is NTSC (or visca versa)

[14:01:47]

Juski:

mjelva: could be the card outputs PAL & your TV is NTSC or vice-versa also

[14:01:49]

mjelva:

right now i'm using a s-video to scart adapter

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mjelva:

Juski: as far as i know, they don't even sell TVs that use NTSC in europe

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fryfrog:

mjelva: why not use vga / dvi -> scart?

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Merlin83b:

mjelva: You need to tell your TV to expect S-video and not RGB, than.

[14:02:21]

mjelva:

mjelva: how would i do that?

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fryfrog:

mjelva: you'll get a much nicer picture

[14:03:01]

mjelva:

fryfrog: right now i'm getting just grey, with some occasional flickering. so i'll believe that.

[14:03:19]

mjelva:

what do you mean by vga/dvi -> scart, tho?

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mjelva:

they sell adapters for that?

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imperfect-:

Do the deinterlacing settings effect recorded content?

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fryfrog:

deinterlacing is done at playback, not recording

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Juski:

my PAL TV (Panasonic PK32 thing) accepts NTSC, so others might too

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imperfect-:

That's what I thought

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fryfrog:

mjelva: I believe I have heard that you can build your own scart -> vga *or* purchase one, perhaps. But I don't know any more than that

[14:05:20]

mjelva:

i see

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fryfrog:

I'm sure I've heard them mentioned in channel :)

[14:05:22]

imperfect-:

I'm getting like wobbly nastiness watching HD content

[14:05:23]

Juski:

anyway Zider: www.linpvr.org

[14:05:40]

fryfrog:

imperfect-: you could try turning *on* deinterlace (or turning it off if it is on?)

[14:05:47]

imperfect-:

Well

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imperfect-:

It's weird

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fryfrog:

imperfect-: I *think* you'd only want to deinterlace if you are displaying to an interlaced device

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imperfect-:

cuz i get it using VLC and/or MythTV internal

[14:06:04]

fryfrog:

so if you are using HD, you probably *don't* want to

[14:06:11]

fryfrog:

but not mplayer?

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imperfect-:

well

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imperfect-:

mplayer on mythtv

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imperfect-:

sorry

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imperfect-:

vlc remotely just plauying the nuv files

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imperfect-:

and mplayer in Myth

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fryfrog:

imperfect-: but?

[14:07:48]

imperfect-:

Its wobbly as hell

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imperfect-:

mpeg motion makes me dizzy ;)

[14:08:01]

imperfect-:

I'm just grabbing content with an Air2PC card

[14:08:02]

fryfrog:

humm, i'm not sure if i know what you mean

[14:08:09]

Zider:

Juski: aha

[14:08:15]

fryfrog:

when i play some content i get horizontal lines in fast motion

[14:08:16]

imperfect-:

like

[14:08:20]

fryfrog:

but that doesn't sound like what you mean

[14:08:22]

imperfect-:

Yeah...

[14:08:26]

imperfect-:

Sorta..

[14:08:31]

imperfect-:

only really annoying

[14:08:39]

fryfrog:

it is very visible on cartoons with mostly solid colors

[14:08:46]

fryfrog:

like their mouths look funny when they talk

[14:09:03]

Juski:

fryfrog: sounds like interlaced content needs deinterlacing to me

[14:09:06]

fryfrog:

have you tried playing the mpeg file on a windows pc or with mplayer (not using myth)?

[14:09:17]

Juski:

if using xvmc, try the Bob 2x deinterlacer

[14:09:21]

fryfrog:

Juski: yeah, but I *think* it detects it as non-interlaced

[14:09:27]

fryfrog:

no, not xvmc :(

[14:09:34]

Juski:

fryfrog: you can force it

[14:09:37]

fryfrog:

i'll have to watch playback

[14:09:39]

Juski:

try the OSD menu

[14:09:57]

fryfrog:

but i don't *want* to force it, cause *most* of what i watch really is progressive scan HD

[14:10:01]

Juski:

possible settings.. auto, progressive, interlaced, interlaced (reversed field order)

[14:10:03]

imperfect-:

Hrm

[14:10:05]

fryfrog:

or will it not try and deint that?

[14:10:14]

Juski:

prolly a key you can bind for that too

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imperfect-:

Well..I'm not using XVMC Windows through VLC

[14:12:06]

imperfect-:

that's why I'm wondering what the deal is

[14:12:06]

Zider:

Juski: it seems to compile now.. after some fiddling ;)

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Juski:

Zider: cool. it's a nice plugin to have

[14:16:35]

Zider:

Juski: indeed it is

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Juski:

though I can't help but wonder if the internal player could be made to play such things

[14:16:35]

Juski:

cut out the need for having a whole swathe of mplayer installed

[14:16:35]

Zider:

I tried to trick mythmusic into playing streams

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mjelva:

Merlin83b: how would i tell my tv to expect s-video? i can't find any menu option to do that.

[14:16:35]

Juski:

Zider there's a patch to play shoutcast in mythmusic

[14:16:35]

Juski:

wonder if xine will play online content

[14:16:35]

Merlin83b:

mjelva: I don't know your TV. It may not be possible.

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Zider:

well, since I use the distropackage to update it, I prefer not to patch the source :P

[14:16:35]

Zider:

xine plays just fine

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mjelva:

Merlin83b: ok. thanks.

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Juski:

Zider: xine plays online stuff okay?

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Zider:

Juski: yes

[14:16:47]

Juski:

opens up other possibilities, is all ;)

[14:17:22]

Juski:

make a playlist file, associate it with xine in mythvideo.. ta-da ;)

[14:17:24]

Zider:

yeah ;)

[14:17:31]

Zider:

yes, that'd work

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Zider:

I prefer to have streams separate from the files tho

[14:18:18]

Juski:

you can also make exec commands in the mainmenu xml file to open your fave media player with a custom command (stream)...

[14:18:53]

Zider:

mythstream is fine for me, I just wish it could be installed along with the rest ;)

[14:18:59]

Zider:

as an official pluggie

[14:19:38]

Dagmar:

Wait, lemme get this straight

[14:19:47]

Dagmar:

We can make menu items that run external commands now?

[14:22:30]

Zider:

intalled and ready to test

[14:23:12]

Juski:

Dagmar: been that way for ages now. see the wookie

[14:23:38]

Dagmar:

Lookin' at it now

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Juski:

Zider: there was a standoff about mythstream because of a few reasons. 1) being that it includes a lot of mplayer code 2) the coding style/standards. neither side wanted to budge, so it's staying outside

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Juski:

that's how I remember the story anyway – might not actually be what happened

[14:25:20]

mjelva:

Juski: what am i supposed to do with nvtv?

[14:25:24]

ivor:

Juski: why did it need a lot of mplayer code?

[14:26:52]

Zider:

includes mplayer code? it runs mplayer externally last I checked

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seth|laptop:

menu items is how I launch WoW on my slave

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Zider:

Juski: hmm, may I ask why grayhem won't work for 0.20 or is that question already asked to death? ;)

[14:32:11]

Juski:

Zider: dunno which site you're looking at.. _should_ work

[14:32:21]

Zider:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/

[14:32:24]

Juski:

2.0 works with 0.20

[14:32:26]

fryfrog:

it works for me?

[14:32:29]

fryfrog:

:)

[14:32:29]

Juski:

www.juski.co.uk/pg/

[14:32:39]

Juski:

haven't updated the other site yet

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Zider:

ah, wrong site :P

[14:32:52]

Zider:

*phew* :)

[14:33:05]

Zider:

I almost thought my favourite theme wouldn't work anymore ;)

[14:33:16]

Juski:

right... time for me to head home

[14:33:28]

Juski:

see yas later :)

[14:33:46]

Zider:

cya

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seth|laptop:

l8r

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mjelva:

sigh. i can't get this thing working.

[14:35:27]

mjelva:

Juski: what was it you wanted me to do with nvtv?

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Ediehow:

anyone good w/mythweb?

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caitlin:

grrrr, all of these mobos have like *2* pci slots

[14:37:55]

Ediehow:

i have a scheduled recording with no title, so i can't click on it to edit it

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imperfect-:

Ediehow : That sounds like a database mishap

[14:38:38]

mjelva:

do any of you use tv-out on a geforce3 ti200 card?

[14:38:40]

Ediehow:

nm

[14:38:42]

Ediehow:

i got it

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Ediehow:

thx bye

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seth|laptop:

caitlin: I had that problem, built a slave for my other pvr card :-(

[14:38:56]

mjelva:

i'd like to know if it's even possible, before i waste any more time on this

[14:39:09]

fish_:

re

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seth|laptop:

I have never had that card, but my guess would be if you added the appropriate line to XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf, it should just work

[14:39:42]

caitlin:

is this because people are just using machines for bloody gaming on?

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caitlin:

it's useless

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caitlin:

i can't find anythign remotely featured

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mjelva:

seth|laptop: modeline, you mean?

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opello:

aw, i just about had an answer for ediehow

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imperfect-:

mjelva : he probably means Option TVOutFormat I think

[14:40:47]

mjelva:

tried it

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seth|laptop:

mjelva: well you will need that, but you wil also need to specify "TV" as connected monitor. , and what not

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imperfect-:

My nvidia driver doesn't need the connected monitor

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imperfect-:

It overides what it gets from the card regardless of what I set it to

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mjelva:

seth|laptop: done. done a long time ago.

[14:42:23]

mjelva:

i've been working at this for days.

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BULLE:

mjelva: use nvtv or what the extra tv utilityu is called

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BULLE:

mjelva: it works well with older nvidia cards

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seth|laptop:

Option "TVStandard" "NTSC-M, PAL, or wherever you are" Option "TVOutFormat" "SVIDEO" Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV" and the like

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** seth|laptop install knoppmyth and boot the CD with the "TV" option and let it do everything for you :-) **

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** seth|laptop shameless knoppmyth plug **

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seth|laptop:

or go through the nvidia readme, and pick out what you like : http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . E/index.html

[14:48:17]

BULLE:

or use nvtv

[14:48:26]

Krazylegz:

seth|laptop: You totally have to come over here and help me with my Mythbox when I have time.

[14:48:28]

ivor:

actually... while we're on the subject... what does the nvtv utility let you do? someone said we should have one for the unichrome.

[14:48:29]

BULLE:

atleast for older cards, i would recomend nvtv

[14:48:34]

** seth|laptop never used it, but it sounds intriguing **

[14:48:55]

BULLE:

ivor: its basicly just a gui, that lets you configure tv out, for older nvidia cards

[14:49:20]

gr0mit:

did not work on my machine though :-(

[14:49:38]

ivor:

adjust overscan? that sort of thing? anything else? colour balance, saturation, de-flicker?

[14:49:54]

BULLE:

This is a tool to enable TV-Out on Linux for NVidia cards. It does not need the kernel, supports multiple TV encoder chips. You may use all the features of the chip, down to direct register access, and all resolutions and sizes the chip supports.

[14:50:29]

gr0mit:

tim@mythbox:/etc/X11$ nvtv

[14:50:29]

gr0mit:

Fatal: No supported video card found.

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GreyFoxx:

nvtv dcoesn't support anything less than 3 or 4 years old

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gr0mit:

aaah. my card is a Gforce 4

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GreyFoxx:

at least last I looked it didn't support anything newer than SOME GF4MX440's , and that depended on what tvencoder it had

[14:51:22]

BULLE:

gr0mit your card must have a suported tv encoder chip

[14:51:32]

Dagmar:

Which means you need to read the documentation for the 8776 driver, because it explains everything

[14:51:47]

ivor:

so what do people do to configure the TV out on newer NVidia cards?

[14:51:55]

Dagmar:

Damn near nothing.

[14:52:02]

Dagmar:

The s-video outputs on them "just work"

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GreyFoxx:

ivor: Set a value in your X config

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fryfrog:

ivor: you can change... yeah, that

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BULLE:

GreyFoxx: you dont even have to do that

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Zider:

the output on my gf6600gt is perfect on my tv..

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Zider:

the gf2mx needs some tweaking tho ;)

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ivor:

ok. thanks.

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BULLE:

ivor: the ones that realy want to do it "the right way" do add some extra flags to their xorg.conf file

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mjelva:

BULLE: what am i supposed to do with nvtv? how do i use it?

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BULLE:

ivor: then use the nvidia provided gui to set overscan etc

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BULLE:

mjelva: just start it ?

[14:53:08]

BULLE:

mjelva: and click on the button that enables tv out ?

[14:53:10]

GreyFoxx:

BULLE: I don't know about you, but when X starts the nvidia driver turns off the TV out of my cards(which happen to default to on at boot)

[14:53:27]

BULLE:

GreyFoxx: doesnt do that for me no

[14:53:39]

BULLE:

GreyFoxx: i have a fx5200 agp card

[14:53:40]

mjelva:

BULLE: from commandline? it won't. says it can't find the display

[14:53:47]

GreyFoxx:

BULLE: Then in 3 years in here you are the first person I've ever heard of that DIDn't have that happen

[14:53:49]

mjelva:

open display, actually

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seth|laptop:

have to be on the host

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BULLE:

mjelva: its an x app

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Zider:

"sudo nvtv -t -S PAL -r 800,600 -s Large --display :0"

[14:54:06]

Zider:

is what I use

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mjelva:

BULLE: the whole problem here is that i'm not getting a signal

[14:54:19]

mjelva:

well, i'm getting a signal. but it's all static.

[14:54:21]

Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: You would be wrong

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BULLE:

mjelva: so just connect a monitor to the compute or use remote x / vnc / nx ?

[14:54:57]

GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: I'm not wrong in that he is the first I've heard heard of that didn't have it happen :)

[14:54:57]

Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: The default behaviour of the TV output port on the newer (non-nvtv) cards is to simply clone the primary display to them if a device is connected

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Dagmar:

Of course, it's going to just turn off the TV output if you pick a resolution above 1024x768 (or above 800x600 on some)

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Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: Except you're representing your assessment as if it were fact, which makes you wrong.

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GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: Of course I was, cause like I said this is the VERY first I've ever heard of in both 3 years in here, the lists and actually using the hardware to setup over 30 myth systems with nvidia cards) that this works this way

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Dagmar:

Then you need to pay more attention

[14:57:23]

GreyFoxx:

Yeah, whatever :)

[14:57:23]

Dagmar:

Or do I have to quote the README at you?

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BULLE:

Dagmar: hehe

[14:57:36]

GreyFoxx:

How is that relevant to what I just said ?

[14:57:39]

mjelva:

i suppose this is progress. i started up nvtv from a vnc connection, and the tv output went from garbled grey crap moving across the monitor to like a greyscale scala type thingy

[14:57:42]

Dagmar:

It's _documented_ that it will clone the display to the s-video output if there is a device connected when you boot

[14:57:44]

mjelva:

if that makes any sense

[14:57:52]

GreyFoxx:

I'm willing to accept that NOW it works the way you describe

[14:57:59]

Dagmar:

It's been working that way for a WHILE

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BULLE:

Dagmar: that is scary, if i was the first user in three years on this channel, that did read the readme =)

[14:58:00]

GreyFoxx:

And will some hardware

[14:58:18]

GreyFoxx:

But I've NEVER personally seen it, and never seen it mentioned by a user

[14:58:41]

GreyFoxx:

BULLE: Not every rereads the readme for every version of the driver :)

[14:59:00]

BULLE:

just check the changelog .... ?

[14:59:05]

GreyFoxx:

Though if that is a new behaviour , which definately makes more sense than just blanketly turning it off)

[14:59:21]

Zider:

dammit, I still get weird text sizes.. :(

[14:59:56]

Dagmar:

(again) It's not a new behaviour

[15:00:19]

Dagmar:

I've got a 5200 wot does this. It's not new.

[15:00:36]

seth|laptop:

any one using the new 8776 nvidia drivers?

[15:00:45]

Zider:

yep

[15:00:47]

seth|laptop:

any improvements noticed for HD playback

[15:00:54]

Dagmar:

So long as you are *using modes that are compatible with a TV* like 60Hz refresh rates, it will leave the s-video output running.

[15:01:06]

Zider:

I don't do hdtv :P

[15:01:28]

GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: I've done 3 new installs for people in the last 2 months, 1 5200 and 2 6xxx(don't remember the exact models) and I had to explicitly enable it on each

[15:01:49]

GreyFoxx:

It's definately a change for the better

[15:02:07]

Dagmar:

Ya you just keep talking like it matterws

[15:02:12]

Zider:

both my cards (gf2mx and gf6600gt) puts out an svideo clone image right from BIOS POST upto X starts and sets its own resolution

[15:02:43]

Zider:

almost all my cards did this, and sometimes its affected by different motherboards

[15:02:43]

GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: you asir, are an ass

[15:03:08]

Dagmar:

You can keep repeating that one if you like as well. It'll have about as much affect.

[15:03:14]

Dagmar:

s/affect/effect/;

[15:03:31]

** jams has two 5200's each one behaves differently. **

[15:03:32]

GreyFoxx:

*sigh*

[15:03:56]

Dagmar:

At least I have the good taste not to start calling people names.

[15:04:23]

GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: Haha, ok.

[15:04:33]

imperfect-:

GreyFoxx: I've got a 2 6600 series and one 7600 and they all stay on the whole time..

[15:04:46]

imperfect-:

GreyFoxx: sounds like a per card situation.. never know what you're going to get

[15:05:03]

Zider:

per gfx card AND per motherboard

[15:05:11]

Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: READ http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . endix-h.html

[15:05:21]

GreyFoxx:

imperfect-: So it makes sense to assume to use the x config options since you will get the expect results more consistantly.

[15:05:25]

Dagmar:

Pay special attention to the first bullet-pointed item.

[15:05:31]

GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: I don't need to, I accept what you have said here as true

[15:05:39]

GreyFoxx:

I'm not saying you are lying :)

[15:05:41]

imperfect-:

GreyFoxx: I'd say so yeah.... removes the mystery ;)

[15:06:09]

Dagmar:

I'm saying what you think you've been seeing is not actually what you've been seeing

[15:06:18]

GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: I've seen you enough in here to know that you are not a clueless newbie, so I don't need to question everything you've said

[15:06:41]

BULLE:

GreyFoxx: so you do equestion people, based on the only fact that they havent been here often ?

[15:06:58]

mjelva:

do i need to add anything to xorg.conf for nvtv to work?

[15:07:04]

imperfect-:

Does this even matter?

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Dagmar:

If X's coming up disables the output, it's a sign you've pushed the display to some mode that is inhospitable for TV output, like 72Mhz refresh rate, or a resolution beyond what the card can auto-scale

[15:07:14]

seth|laptop:

well, it is probably dated, and done for maximum compatibility (spelling) but knoppmyth, when booted/installed using the "tv" kernel option, sets 60Hz, 800x600, and add the TVOUT, Connected Monitor, settings by default. And It has always worked for me.

[15:07:16]

BULLE:

mjelva: shouldnt need no

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GreyFoxx:

BULLE: If someone I haven't seen here much, states something that contradicts my experience then yes I question it. Anyone should

[15:07:24]

imperfect-:

mjelva: It's probably dealing directly with the cards hardware so I'[d doubtit

[15:07:32]

GreyFoxx:

And if that person is right then great

[15:07:33]

Dagmar:

Using 60Hz and 800x600 I've not had to even specify a thing to X

[15:07:34]

mjelva:

ok

[15:07:47]

mjelva:

any idea what settings i need to give nvtv for this to work?

[15:08:25]

Dagmar:

"The "ConnectedMonitor" option can be used to tell X to use the TV for display. This should only be needed if your TV is not detected by the video card, or you use a CRT (or digital flat panel) as your boot display, but want to redirect X to use the TV. [...]"

[15:08:43]

Dagmar:

...and by and large I've found that to be entirely true.

[15:09:11]

Dagmar:

I use it because occasionally I boot up my myth box with the TV off, and it kinda screws the pooch in those instances.

[15:09:35]

seth|laptop:

again, I think knoppmyth just does it for compat. issues. More of an OTB soultion, I have no idea whether or not it is needed, but it is how mine is set

[15:09:38]

GreyFoxx:

Doh, thena fter you turn on the TV you don't get any output ?

[15:09:44]

Dagmar:

Yep. heheh

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GreyFoxx:

doh

[15:09:52]

Dagmar:

It can't detect what's not on. :)

[15:10:00]

GreyFoxx:

Actually I do have 1 card that does that

[15:10:05]

GreyFoxx:

It's sitting on a shelf

[15:10:11]

GreyFoxx:

but I had that happen

[15:10:20]

GreyFoxx:

I eventually plugged it into a receiver so it was always "on"

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mjelva:

argh. how can i increase the resolution of this vnc session? i can't see the whole nvtv window. it's making it hell to do anything.

[15:11:52]

GreyFoxx:

I learned over the weekend my daughter is fascinated by video games. Or at least the colours and sounds heh

[15:12:31]

GreyFoxx:

I was reconfiguring mythgame and she was loving the games. I suspect I will have a console (if they exist later) addict on my hands

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Kelerion:

Juski: got the case.. so at least we'll look the part now.. lol

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cyberkni:

Due to this error: "NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: /var/lib/mythtv/1012_20061022122102.mpg". Recorded and live tv do not play for me. Any insights?

[15:13:28]

Zider:

GreyFoxx: get her a gp2x and suff it with gameboy/NES games ;)

[15:13:49]

GreyFoxx:

Zider: I've considered getting one for myself to play with heh

[15:14:03]

Zider:

I'd love to get one but I can't afford :(

[15:14:13]

Zider:

I had a GP32 before

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cyberkni:

GreyFoxx: also consider how much you want her to be playing games. Early exposure to that sets trends for the rest of life

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Zider:

loved the little bugger :)

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jams:

cyberkn1- make sure the card is setup as the correct type

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RaYmAn-Bx:

GP2X rocks :)

[15:14:45]

RaYmAn-Bx:

all it lacks is a wifi thingy and a mythtv port :)

[15:14:58]

cyberkni:

jams: I have a PVR-150 set as an MPEG capture card. Is this right?

[15:15:06]

GreyFoxx:

cyberkn1: heeh she's a busy little kid as it is

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GreyFoxx:

but I have no problem with her sitting down with the old man to play a game now and then :)

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cyberkni:

GreyFoxx: Cool.

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seth|laptop:

My wife is addicted to FrozenBubble

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GreyFoxx:

cyberkn1: Though she wont have unrestricted net access for many years to come :)

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mjelva:

I'M GETTING SOMETHING!

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mjelva:

i clicked "tv on" in nvtv, and now i've got a picture (though not the desktop) and a cursor

[15:16:55]

Dagmar:

Then the pills really DO work like they say!

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Dagmar:

Oh..

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mjelva:

i've got a yellow picture. like a gradient thingy. and a cursor.

[15:17:20]

mjelva:

aw yea

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cyberkni:

GreyFoxx: I agree totally on that..too much junk out there

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Zider:

I don't have the problem of restricting net access for my kid.. since I won't have any.. ;)

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Dagmar:

Just teach her to prey on predophiles and give her a nice set of sharp knives

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Dagmar:

s/pred/ped/;

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Dagmar:

"it's not like they're people, honey. They're preverts. They can't feel pain like normal people."

[15:19:38]

Dagmar:

"And they's is good eatin'"

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Zider:

;D

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Zider:

http://forum.skill-club.com/gallery/albums/us . . . _286261_.jpg ;)

[15:21:30]

mjelva:

so guys. this yellow image i'm getting. what could it mean?

[15:22:01]

GreyFoxx:

Zider: HEhe I never planned on it. But I can't imagine my life without her now :) But to each their own :)

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mjelva:

oh oh oh

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mjelva:

it's the login prompt

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Zider:

GreyFoxx: well, I don't have to worry anymore, I'm sterile :D

[15:23:37]

Zider:

besides, I don't do that stuff anyway

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mjelva:

sweeeet

[15:24:52]

mjelva:

now i just need to increase the resolution. i can't seem to push it past 800x600, even tho 1024x768 is enabled in xorg.conf, and my tv is capable according to Xorg.0.log

[15:25:35]

mjelva:

any suggestions?

[15:25:52]

Dagmar:

No, you absolutely have to be mistaken about that one. Televisions do not report EDID information.

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mjelva:

that's odd

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mjelva:

let me find the log entry again...

[15:26:14]

Dagmar:

Check the specs for your video card. Older cards do not to 1024x768 to TV Output

[15:26:24]

mjelva:

it's a geforce3 ti200

[15:26:28]

Dagmar:

If the log is saying 1024x768 is doable, it's just plain wrong.

[15:26:31]

mjelva:

so it's like three years old or something

[15:26:40]

Dagmar:

Older than that

[15:26:50]

mjelva:

i don't recall, to be honest. perhaps you're right.

[15:30:07]

mjelva:

how can i configure the tv to be enabled whenever i start the xserver? as of now, i have to vnc to the computer, open nvtv and press the 'tv on' button

[15:30:14]

Zider:

my gf2mx does 1024, so a gf3 should too ;)

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mjelva:

Zider: there's no options for higher resolution than 800x600 in nvtv tho :(

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mjelva:

how do i fix that?

[15:33:09]

Zider:

there's a pulldown thing where you can select PAL, NTSC and stuff

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Zider:

try changing that

[15:33:30]

Zider:

*good*

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Zider:

um

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Zider:

*food*

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mjelva:

Zider: it's set to PAL, which is the only one that works

[15:36:54]

mjelva:

so, is there some way i can adjust the physical size of the display? it's overflowing the tv screen

[15:38:51]

Zider:

yes, by selecting "small" "normal" "large" or "huge" in the list

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mjelva:

that's not enough

[15:40:10]

Zider:

well then I guess yer screwed ;)

[15:40:24]

mjelva:

:cool:

[15:40:48]

Zider:

cool?

[15:40:51]

mjelva:

anyway. how can i write these nvtv settings to a script or whatever?

[15:41:03]

mjelva:

it would suck to have to do this every time i boot

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Zider:

add to the startup script for X or ythe window manager

[15:41:33]

mjelva:

basically, everything worked when i clicked the nvtv 'tv on' button

[15:44:02]

mjelva:

can i make nvtv output the settings i've chosen (in the X app) as a text command that i can input in a script?

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Zider:

mjelva: you'd need to use the commandline arguments

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Zider:

like so; sudo nvtv -t -S PAL -r 800,600 -s Large --display :0

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mjelva:

i know.

[15:47:05]

mjelva:

i'm trying to make it work using commandline options, but it's a hassle. it already made it work using the X app.

[15:47:20]

mjelva:

how do i make the X app output the options i've chosen as a text command?

[15:47:37]

Zider:

you can't

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mjelva:

that's lame

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Zider:

not that I know at least

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Zider:

yes ;)

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Zider:

it's not even possible (afaik) to set the X/Y offset from commandline

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seth|laptop:

any SATA users here?

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ServerSage:

seth|laptop: Yeah.

[15:49:35]

seth|laptop:

what exacty is SATA3G, and if my mobo says (2 x Serial ATA 3Gb/s Connectors) can I use it?

[15:50:13]

ServerSage:

seth|laptop: 3G just means it's twice as fast as the original sata was, and it's backwards compatible.

[15:50:41]

seth|laptop:

well the drive I want to buy says this – Western Digital Caviar RE2 500 GB SATA3G 16MB Cache 7200 RPM

[15:50:48]

seth|laptop:

so I guess I can use it?

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ServerSage:

seth|laptop: Yes, you'll be fine.

[15:50:59]

seth|laptop:

woohoo

[15:51:19]

seth|laptop:

another question, can SATA be LVM'd with PATA

[15:51:21]

mjelva:

god damn it

[15:51:40]

Zider:

seth|laptop: SATA3G, SATA/300 and SATA2 means the same thing; SATA 3Gbit/sec

[15:51:48]

mjelva:

i can make it work using the gui app, but when i try to execute nvtv from commandline the image is totally distorted, with colours all over the place

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Zider:

seth|laptop: yes it can, it's "just another drive"

[15:52:08]

seth|laptop:

wicked

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brad_mssw:

seth|laptop: I wouldn't get the RE2 unless you're putting it in a hardware raid

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seth|laptop:

what does RE2 mean??

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Zider:

I wouldn'? get WD at all ;)

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scopeuk:

re == raid edition

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mjelva:

anyone?

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brad_mssw:

seth|laptop: it's raid-specific

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seth|laptop:

so running it as a standalone drive, would not do it?

[15:53:31]

scopeuk:

it wil lwrk as a standalone

[15:53:37]

scopeuk:

but your not geting the re benifit

[15:53:37]

brad_mssw:

seth|laptop: it may work, but it's not rated for that ... I've heard of reliability issues

[15:53:51]

seth|laptop:

so I could mount it as /myth/video, and it will ork, or is this not recommended?

[15:54:03]

brad_mssw:

seth|laptop: and it's not going to be as fast, it's optimized for a different type of access

[15:54:05]

seth|laptop:

s/ork/work

[15:54:10]

seth|laptop:

hmm

[15:54:35]

brad_mssw:

any reason in particular you're set on the RE2 ?

[15:54:36]

seth|laptop:

what about 2 mirrored or striped?

[15:54:46]

seth|laptop:

price is good

[15:54:49]

seth|laptop:

$175

[15:55:03]

brad_mssw:

is the SE16 not cheaper ?

[15:55:30]

brad_mssw:

like I said, it's probably going to cause you more headaches than anything

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Juski:

re

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seth|laptop:

hmm price is same

[15:55:47]

Zider:

http://www.excelmeridiandata.com/products/wd_ . . . _drive.shtml

[15:56:12]

Juski:

raid edition == marketing bollocks

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seth|laptop:

!tiny http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merc . . . TAHardDrives

[15:56:30]

seth|laptop:

that one is SE16, and same price

[15:56:40]

Juski:

they messed with the drive's data recovery algorythms

[15:57:05]

Juski:

one thing you _do_ sometimes get though is 24/7 ratings :)

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Juski:

though the company I work for use desktop drives in some products 24/7 & we get below the manufacturer's publish AFR figures

[15:58:01]

siXy:

if you want a 24/7 non scsi drive i would be more inclined to go with the maxtor maxline disks

[15:58:07]

Juski:

s/publish/published

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brad_mssw:

I know people have reported issues with Seagates equivalent to the RE2 running in standalone mode

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siXy:

rather than some gimmicky raid edition

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brad_mssw:

siXy: maxtor is owned by seagate these days

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siXy:

and your point?

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Juski:

maxtor is being killed off as a brand

[15:58:49]

Juski:

before too long you won't be able to buy Maxtor drives at all

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siXy:

still selling the maxlines last tinme i looked

[15:58:50]

brad_mssw:

siXy: they're actually using the maxtor brand as their low-end drives ...

[15:59:02]

Juski:

brad_mssw: nope

[15:59:07]

Juski:

they're doing away with Maxtor

[15:59:19]

brad_mssw:

last I heard they were keeping the name for low-end

[15:59:28]

Juski:

this isn't conjecture on my part, I know from the horse's mouth

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Zider:

nowadays I only buy seagate drives

[16:00:11]

Juski:

whoops there goes the NDA

[16:00:22]

mjelva:

Juski: when i run nvtv from gui, i get everything working smoothly (more or less). when i run from commandline, the image is there, but the colours are totally garbled

[16:00:23]

brad_mssw:

yeah, mainly use seagate these days myself

[16:00:25]

mjelva:

any idea how to fix?

[16:00:27]

seth|laptop:

I currently have maxtor and western Digital

[16:00:28]

siXy:

bit of a pity really, as i try not to buy seagate drive now

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Zider:

Juski: we didn't hear anything ;)

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Zider:

or read

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siXy:

Juski: hahaha :)

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Juski:

Zider: I got used to people not seeing what I say ages ago :P

[16:00:57]

Zider:

Juski: aawww

[16:01:11]

** siXy fluffles juski **

[16:01:22]

Juski:

fluffles? eep! wassat?

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mjelva:

nvtv from commandline. garbled colours. anyone?

[16:02:07]

siXy:

meh theres no wiki entry. i think it must be one of my ex-dictionary words :)

[16:02:08]

Zider:

fluffling is what a fluffer does

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Zider:

;)

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Juski:

mjelva: try a different video mode. some tv encoders on earlier nvidia cards suck _badly_

[16:02:38]

Juski:

some tv encoders on earlier nvidia cards fluffle

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mjelva:

Juski: mode like '-r 800,600 -s Small'?

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siXy:

:)

[16:03:25]

Juski:

right.. network switch.. check. cables.. check.. promo materials.. check.. gagger tape.. check. Bastard. forgot the double-sided stickytape

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mjelva:

i'm using that one both from commandline and from gui, and it works from gui

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seth|laptop:

well hat might be because X needs to be started first?

[16:04:02]

siXy:

mjelva: why not just use it from the gui then?

[16:04:15]

Juski:

mjelva: on my gf2 card I found that 800x600 stunk in overscan mode but not 640x480

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Zider:

mjelva: try -S somethingelse :P

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seth|laptop:

mjelva: what WM do you use, fluxbox, blackbox, ?

[16:04:55]

Juski:

in 800x600 overscan mode I'd get a good picture but random lines would have inverted colours :-|

[16:04:56]

mjelva:

siXy: because then i'd have to VNC to the gui every time i boot

[16:05:07]

mjelva:

i'm sure you can appreciate why that isn't a viable option

[16:05:13]

Juski:

damn chrontel tv encoders

[16:05:25]

mjelva:

Zider: i've tried -S everyfuckingpossibleoption

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mjelva:

seth|laptop: gnome

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Zider:

mjelva: are you using ssh or a local console?

[16:05:46]

Juski:

gnome's a tad heavy for a mythtv box

[16:05:59]

mjelva:

Zider: ssh

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Zider:

k

[16:06:10]

mjelva:

Juski: i'm not keeping it. i just did a factory install of ubuntu

[16:06:14]

Juski:

and by a 'tad' I mean completely & utterly OTT

[16:06:22]

seth|laptop:

but it uses gdm, so you could add the executable to that Sessions/gdm file

[16:06:31]

Juski:

aye true

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seth|laptop:

that is how I get my nvidia-settings to load on a restart of X

[16:06:51]

Juski:

nvidia-settings -l

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Juski:

:)

[16:06:57]

Zider:

fluxbox <3

[16:06:59]

mjelva:

but...when i vnc to the gui and start nvtv, i have to hit the 'tv on' button for anything to happen

[16:07:11]

mjelva:

from the gui app, that's all i have to do to get a picture

[16:07:29]

Zider:

mjelva: how about nvtv -t ?

[16:07:45]

mjelva:

what about it?

[16:07:53]

mjelva:

that by itself does nothing

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Zider:

doesn't that work?

[16:07:57]

Zider:

k

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seth|laptop:

is there a way to load nvtv with just a config or something, that can be run as gdm/X starts?

[16:08:19]

Zider:

seth|laptop: nope, only commandline

[16:08:34]

mjelva:

i have no idea, seth|laptop. i'm playing around with launching it from commandline via ssh, but it's not working 100%

[16:08:36]

Juski:

I thought it could save its settings in the GUI mode then all you need do is reload it at startup

[16:08:37]

Zider:

very limited commandline options too :P

[16:08:38]

mjelva:

the colours come out all garbled

[16:08:43]

seth|laptop:

well then in a script

[16:08:51]

mjelva:

Juski: how would i make it save its settings?

[16:09:08]

Juski:

mjelva: AFAIK it stores them in a config file whenever you change something

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mjelva:

Juski: doesn't seem like it

[16:09:15]

Zider:

mjelva: well, -t SHOULD do the same thing as pressong TV on in the gui..

[16:09:27]

mjelva:

Zider: yes, but you have to set a mode as well

[16:09:35]

mjelva:

i've been trying to do this

[16:09:40]

mjelva:

but as i said, the colours are fucked up

[16:10:03]

mjelva:

sudo nvtv -S PAL -r 800,600 -s Small --tv-on

[16:10:07]

mjelva:

this is what i'v been using

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Zider:

tried restarting X (to get rid of any weird remaining options) and then only run nvtv -t ?

[16:10:45]

Zider:

or doesn't that work?

[16:10:52]

Juski:

what do the docs say?

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mjelva:

dude. zider. you can't run nvtv from commandline without specifying a mode.

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mjelva:

but yes, i've tried it.

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Zider:

ah, right

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seth|laptop:

welll here is a way to automagically load nvtv at the start of X (gui), in case it helps: http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=TVOverScanHowto

[16:13:51]

Juski:

command line options are listed in the USAGE file you get in the tarball

[16:14:30]

Zider:

hm, why are there # after the sizes?

[16:14:44]

seth|laptop:

not sure

[16:15:04]

seth|laptop:

maybe a wiki entry error?

[16:15:12]

mjelva:

Juski: thing is, i have no idea what's wrong here

[16:15:26]

mjelva:

i'm specifying the EXACT same options in commandline as i did in gui, yet only the latter works

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Zider:

seth|laptop: it's not consistent.. somelines has it, some don't..

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seth|laptop:

does your distro/kernel onlyload modules when they are required (i.e. nvidia) or is it loaded at boot

[16:18:03]

Dagmar:

mjelva: What is a .5 for one may be 128 for the other

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seth|laptop:

well if mjelva puts what ever he is running during GUI mode, at the location specified a there, /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default, it should just work I beleive, can ignore what written in the howto, I was more or less giving a resource to wehre the file modifiaction shoiuld be made.

[16:18:52]

** seth|laptop shrugs shoulders, hehe **

[16:19:18]

Juski:

mjelva: the USAGE text file in the tarball tells you exactly what the options all are

[16:19:51]

Juski:

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Juski:

the tv encoders on those cards are miles better than on the older stuff

[16:20:11]

Dagmar:

Considering they can be obtained for $20, yes... yes it is.

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Juski:

like when _I_ think it looks as good as a standalone expensive DVD player, I'd say it was worth it

[16:20:54]

Juski:

I don't put up with crap ;)

[16:21:34]

Merlin83b:

I'm hampered by the picture controls on my entry level rear projection TV.

[16:21:44]

Juski:

hmm I need to clear 160GB off a USB HDD

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Merlin83b:

I need to be able to scale the individual colour pictures as well as move them around.

[16:22:01]

Juski:

ouch

[16:22:16]

Merlin83b:

They're not far out, but enough to be annoying in some situations.

[16:22:27]

Juski:

get inside the box :)

[16:22:35]

Merlin83b:

Still, when I bought it it was <1/4 the price of the same size flat screen.

[16:22:40]

Juski:

twiddle twiddle.. oops .. BANG!

[16:22:46]

Merlin83b:

lol, I wouldn't know what to do once I'd opened it :)

[16:22:52]

Merlin83b:

Yeah, and I'd be afraid of that :)

[16:22:53]

mjelva:

fine. fuck this shit. i'm too pissed to work any more on this today.

[16:22:54]

Juski:

is there not a service menu you can get into?

[16:23:07]

Juski:

mjelva: that's not the spirit

[16:23:21]

mjelva:

:(

[16:23:26]

Juski:

nvtv is good for an open source reverse-hacked thing so don't be too disheartened

[16:23:26]

Merlin83b:

Juski: Yeah, but the menus only allow me to move the picture, not scale it. This was mentioned in the reviews I read before buying it.

[16:23:40]

Merlin83b:

I still love my TV though :)

[16:23:55]

mjelva:

Juski: an open source reverse-hacked thing that doesn't work from commandline?

[16:23:57]

Juski:

Merlin83b: but if any of the primary colours need scaled...

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Juski:

mjelva: you pays your money & makes your choice

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mjelva:

:(

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Merlin83b:

Only by a tiny amount – they're lined up in the centre of the screen.

[16:24:23]

Juski:

use a shitty older card & get the results you expect

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Gurft:

Anyone have any recommended cases? I've been using a tower, but with the small child starting to crawl, I'm thinking I need a desktop put higher up on the mult

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Juski:

I was frankly apalled by the quality of my geforce2 Ti card

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Juski:

Merlin83b: strange. maybe don't sit so close ;)

[16:25:57]

Merlin83b:

Heh, I'm the other side of the lounge :)

[16:26:02]

Juski:

oh sod it I'm gonna format my zenslack usb key

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mjelva:

Juski: it's a GeForce3 Ti200 card that cost like 400 dollars way back

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mjelva:

there's nothing shitty about it

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Juski:

mjelva: isn't there? so why does its TV output suck so much? ;-)

[16:27:01]

mjelva:

you tell me :(

[16:27:09]

Juski:

I paid stupid money for my geforce2 Ti card too

[16:27:14]

Juski:

didn't stop it being crap

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gardengnome:

me too

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gardengnome:

yep.

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Zider:

I found my gf2mx in a dumpster

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Juski:

was the very last time I'd ever pay more than double figures for a VGA card

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gardengnome:

Zider: where it belongs...

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mjelva:

Juski: think i should go buy a cheapo card made specifically for tv output?

[16:27:40]

Zider:

gardengnome: well, it does its work :)

[16:27:41]

snorp:

hey all, anyone used the nokia media streamer with myth 0.20?

[16:27:41]

mjelva:

would that be a good idea?

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seth|laptop:

I had a geforce 4ti something or other, but it burned up playing ut2k3

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Zider:

gardengnome: works perfectly (almost) in the mythbox.. no major issues :)

[16:28:09]

seth|laptop:

you can get 5200 cards for like $30 these days

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Juski:

mjelva: fx5200 or similar will sparkle compared to the current card, believe me. and you'd be able to use the far more friendly nvidia-settings

[16:28:22]

gardengnome:

my new vga card has got a defective coil – i get nice humming noises whenever i'm using opengl :)

[16:28:25]

Juski:

.. or set the tv output options in your xorg.conf file

[16:28:33]

mjelva:

that does sound appealing

[16:28:39]

Juski:

gardengnome: so you know it works! nice!

[16:28:40]

mjelva:

do they make them for agp?

[16:28:45]

Juski:

mjelva: yeah

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Juski:

the cheapest ones will be agp

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gardengnome:

Juski: i mailed MSI yesterday and they haven't answered yet. grr.

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Juski:

gardengnome: must've got damaged in shipping

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Juski:

either that or the sweatshop where they make & test em is too loud

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gardengnome:

Juski: i honestly don't care how it happened. the card must be replaced. i'm deploying a zero tolerance policy against noise ;)

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mjelva:

Juski: got a recommendation?

[16:30:55]

mjelva:

would any fx5200 card work, or are some more suited for htpc usage?

[16:30:59]

Juski:

mjelva: fx5200 or so

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BULLE:

Juski: its pretty common for companies to cheap out on the power supply parts, so youg et humming noises, my two laptops suffer from it, monitor does it, etc

[16:31:08]

Juski:

but get a fanless one :)

[16:31:27]

Juski:

BULLE: yeah I know... too weedy an inductor...

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mjelva:

they run cool enough to use fanless?

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Juski:

mjelva: yeah

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BULLE:

mjelva: yes

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seth|laptop:

mjelva: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . mp;CatId=694

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** Juski used to test & fix these for a dayjob: http://img.clubic.com/photo/00027558.jpg **

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BULLE:

Juski: oh

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Juski:

now _that_ was a VGA card

[16:33:02]

BULLE:

Juski: yeah, 3dlabs is defunct nowadays, arent they ? bought by creative and then shut down ?

[16:33:10]

Juski:

they're still going-ish

[16:33:23]

Juski:

it was an IP slurp more than anything else

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BULLE:

so what are they doing nowadays ?

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Juski:

still doing high-end video cards last time I looked

[16:34:19]

Juski:

ah no.. portable embedded devices now

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BULLE:

Juski: oh, on their homepage it says they are going to refocus on handheld devices =/

[16:34:25]

BULLE:

ye

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Juski:

jesus. that wildcat realizm 800 card... :-O

[16:36:01]

Juski:

they manufactured the gvx210 at the factory where I worked for a bit, then they outsourced to the far East. Then they got us to do the repairs

[16:36:20]

BULLE:

hehe

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Juski:

contract manufacuring. god I hated it

[16:36:38]

BULLE:

i guess those cards are expensive enough to actualy get repaired

[16:37:00]

Juski:

well when you're producing silicon in the limited quantities they are, yes

[16:37:14]

BULLE:

yeah

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Juski:

starts life as a big FPGA, then gets scaled up

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mjelva:

Juski: gainward or xfx?

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Juski:

mjelva: mine are both xfx.. they're ok

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Juski:

though I'd hate to do the VHDL for a GPU...

[16:39:01]

Juski:

which is pretty much what these open-source VGA card folks are doing

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mjelva:

Juski: thx. seems i don't have a choice tho. they only have the fanless gainward in pci-e

[16:39:09]

schtinky:

if I'm trying to record an evening newscast and a football game or tennis match goes long and causes the newscast to start at 11:20 instead of 11:00, does mythtv know how to handle it correctly?

[16:39:14]

schtinky:

if so, how does it achieve this?

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gardengnome:

mjelva: pci-expreassa? key jammed

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Juski:

schtinky: from 0.19 onwards you can lengthen a recording while it's in progress IIRC

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gardengnome:

mjelva: you sure you want pci express?

[16:39:57]

mjelva:

gardengnome: no. that's what i don't want.

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Juski:

schtinky: it won't do it automagically

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mjelva:

i'm using an old motherboard. kt3 ultra. it's agp.

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Juski:

gardengnome: he wants AGP.. said as much

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gardengnome:

mjelva: oh sorry, got that wrong.. never mind ;)

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schtinky:

juski, do you know if Tivo's machines do that?

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mjelva:

no big

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mjelva:

why wouldn't i want pci-e, if i had a mobo that supported it, tho?

[16:40:34]

Juski:

schtinky: no I don't think they do

[16:40:38]

schtinky:

juski, the automagic stuff

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Juski:

it's why they failed to take hold in the UK.. late starts/finishes

[16:40:59]

schtinky:

juski, wow, interesting

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gardengnome:

mjelva: pcie is good, i think, but i assumed (correctly) you only had an AGP board

[16:41:18]

Juski:

we europeans have EIT EPG data which gets updated on the fly :)

[16:42:05]

Juski:

dunno how much use of it mythtv makes yet though...

[16:42:09]

kenguru:

Juski, is epg data usually correct? length of programs and starting time etc

[16:42:19]

Juski:

kenguru: on EIT? usually spot on

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Juski:

they even send a 'programme start' flag I think

[16:43:04]

kenguru:

okay.

[16:43:22]

kenguru:

mine mythtv is still a big mess :)

[16:43:44]

kenguru:

but so is a car i'm changing it transmission and clutch atm.

[16:44:35]

mjelva:

Juski: have you had a chance to peruse the XFX Personal Cinema series?

[16:44:46]

Juski:

mjelva: forget em

[16:45:01]

mjelva:

what's wrong with them?

[16:45:08]

Dagmar:

Nothin'.

[16:45:15]

Juski:

no linux drivers for the 'nvidia cinema' video input stuff yet

[16:45:42]

Juski:

if you're only buying one for its video out, then it should be ok

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Juski:

but it'd be a waste of money to buy a personal cinema card for Linux

[16:46:57]

Dagmar:

Yep. Overkill.

[16:47:15]

Dagmar:

There's a really huge argument for not bothering with anything more expensive than a 5200

[16:47:37]

Juski:

http://www.xfxforce.com/web/product/listConfi . . . rationId=968

[16:47:38]

Dagmar:

Oooh

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Dagmar:

Juski: I don't remember if I've asked you this or not, but is there _any_ script already written that lets you populate arbitrary metadata information for arbitrary MythVideo entries?

[16:48:26]

Dagmar:

...or do I get to scribble one up?

[16:48:29]

Juski:

Dagmar: mythweb does

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Dagmar:

Right... Pillage MythWeb then

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mjelva:

sweetness. talked to my guy, and he's gonna order for me

[16:48:51]

Juski:

I'm all Perl'd out now ;)

[16:49:04]

Dagmar:

I'm just getting warmed up on the perl forge

[16:49:08]

BULLE:

mjelva: damn, i would love to have a guy i could talk to, and he would just order hardware for me =)

[16:49:15]

BULLE:

fee hardware for me!

[16:49:18]

BULLE:

free

[16:49:19]

Dagmar:

I spent last week sorting out what the @#$@ is going on inside gnome-system-tools backends

[16:49:30]

Dagmar:

ALl in perl, and it's the "self-documenting" kind

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BULLE:

hehe

[16:49:46]

Dagmar:

Meaning that if you already know what the hell it's doing, the variable names are supposed to be able to remind you of what you're looking at.

[16:49:59]

mjelva:

BULLE: not quite free, but i do get it pretty cheap

[16:50:00]

BULLE:

if you code perl the same way the author does

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mjelva:

Juski: http://norek.no/k/ki.asp?sku=305700 yes/no?

[16:50:08]

Dagmar:

...and if you're psychic.

[16:50:12]

BULLE:

ye

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dorel__:

anyone tried the sip phone in mythtv?

[16:50:20]

Juski:

I (sort of) mastered ARG parsing the other day, but I'll have forgotten it all tomorrow

[16:50:37]

Merlin83b:

ARGH!

[16:50:40]

Juski:

mjelva: looks good

[16:50:51]

Dagmar:

I don't think it's too much to ask to just have a description of the major data structures in comments... especially when you're talking about a bunch of callback functions being stuffed into piles of arrays.

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Juski:

oh crap! which MDs are my new albums on?! bah

[16:51:55]

Dagmar:

while <FH> { print "ARG parsed! " if (/.*ARG.*/);}

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Juski:

Dagmar: yeah but...

[16:52:26]

mjelva:

any of you guys run watercooling in your htpcs?

[16:52:37]

Dagmar:

mjelva: Watercooling is not quiet.

[16:52:41]

mjelva:

hm

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mjelva:

i had a watercooling rig once. it was totally silent.

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** seth|laptop still not comfortable with runing any type of liquid into his pc's **

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mjelva:

but i digress. i need to purchase a case too. what do you guys recommend there?

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Dagmar:

The ones i've seen weren't exactly loud, but they definitely made more of a racket than just carefully chosen oversized heatsinks and 120/80mm fans with a handful of rubber grommets can manage

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Juski:

Dagmar: http://pastebin.ca/217438

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Dagmar:

mjelva: Whatever won't clash with your decor

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Dagmar:

HTPC cases cost a bloody fortune, so I say "mid-tower"

[16:54:00]

gardengnome:

watercooling can be quiet, indeed. aircooling was cheaper this time, though ;)

[16:54:11]

dorel__:

how do i check what is my audio device?

[16:54:36]

mjelva:

anyone got any experience with the silverstone lc20m?

[16:54:39]

Dagmar:

Juski: You can pretty much ditch the "$_ =~ m" parts of those

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** seth|laptop likes his http://www.nmediapc.com/htpc200.htm, not bad for $100 plus shipping **

[16:54:55]

Dagmar:

Just about everything assumes you're operating on $_ if you leave it's target out

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Juski:

ah well never mind it's all done now

[16:55:58]

mjelva:

http://silverstonetek.com/products-lc20m.htm

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mjelva:

anyone have this?

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Dagmar:

You can also get sneaky and use ()'s to surround target matches in the if (/pattern/) match so that it will populate $1 and $2... like sed

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Dagmar:

I guess it depends on what's considered more reasonable, lots of punctuation in a function or lots of punctuation in a regexp

[16:57:25]

Dagmar:

s/reasonable/readable/;

[16:57:42]

Dagmar:

$debug++ would be faster than $debug = 1, but for one iteration who the hell cares.

[16:57:57]

Juski:

yeah well I often look back at my code and think EH?!

[16:58:07]

Dagmar:

"Perl: There's more than one way to make it unreadable."

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mardi_soir:

hello i have a probleme > http://pastebin.be/3300/

[17:02:15]

Dagmar:

There's a problem there/

[17:02:16]

Dagmar:

?

[17:02:20]

Dagmar:

I don't see one.

[17:02:36]

robbins876:

anyone familiar with dedicated frontends?

[17:02:38]

Dagmar:

I see a jibbery little warning that almost assuredly has no bearing on what you're doing.

[17:02:44]

mjelva:

Juski: got a recommendation for a cpu fan for a socket a athlon xp 1800+ as well?

[17:02:58]

Dagmar:

mjelva: Whatever came with it, but definitely not a Golden Orb

[17:03:01]

Dagmar:

*noisy*

[17:03:14]

mjelva:

the one that came with it is like 5 years old now, and sounds like a tractor

[17:03:23]

seth|laptop:

hehe

[17:03:32]

Dagmar:

Ahhhh...

[17:04:01]

Zider:

why is there mpg_old, vob_old and iso_old in mythvideo file associations? what's the difference?

[17:04:02]

seth|laptop:

my a/v receiver fans, make more noise than my htpc

[17:04:08]

mjelva:

motherboards are mounted flat in htpcs, aren't they? so i could use a fairly huge cooling block?

[17:04:36]

Dagmar:

mjelva: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . 0&Go.y=0

[17:04:39]

Zider:

mjelva: well they're not curved ;)

[17:04:49]

Dagmar:

Kind of long, but Vantec seems to do a reasonable job of making quiet fans

[17:05:20]

gardengnome:

mjelva: artic cooling usually is cheap and quite.. quiet. if you shell out more money, yo umight get something even quieter.. zalman(n) could be good

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mjelva:

http://norek.no/k/ki.asp?sku=316558

[17:05:51]

mjelva:

overkill?

[17:05:52]

Zider:

zalman is good yes

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seth|laptop:

some cases (at least mine) have a duct, or scoop that sticks down inside the case, so that the exhaust from the cpu, is more easily vented out the top. That would be your concern, if the case you buy has that, and overall height of the case

[17:05:56]

robbins876:

i have a zalman heatsink and it's amazing

[17:06:00]

GreyFoxx:

Zider: I think those are just backups of what your settings where before the defaults where changed in 0.20 to point to the Internal player

[17:06:10]

Zider:

GreyFoxx: ah

[17:06:29]

mjelva:

robbins876: that NorthQ getup is pretty similar to the zalman ones, isn't it?

[17:06:36]

Zider:

hm, for some reason, avi file stutter like hell today..

[17:07:43]

BULLE:

Zider: moons gravity is pulling away the pairt bits

[17:07:51]

Zider:

BULLE: probably ;P

[17:08:25]

BULLE:

happens to me at full moon aswell

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robbins876:

what NorthQ getup are you speaking of?

[17:13:47]

mjelva:

how much juice do you think i'd need to pull an athlon xp 1800+, 1 hdd, a fx5200 card + possibly a tv capture card?

[17:13:57]

mjelva:

300W?

[17:13:58]

robbins876:

350w

[17:14:01]

mjelva:

k

[17:14:06]

Juski:

put it this way, a cheap 350W supply won't cut it

[17:14:27]

dev:

should qt be upgraded if you're upgrading from 0.19 to 0.20?

[17:14:38]

dev:

like, does 0.20 play nicer with a newer version or anything..

[17:14:39]

dev:

?

[17:14:40]

Juski:

not really

[17:14:49]

Juski:

qt3 or bust, still

[17:14:54]

dev:

so 3.3.6 is still goodness

[17:14:59]

Juski:

aye

[17:15:06]

Hoxzer:

dev: :( your name aint that good

[17:15:09]

mjelva:

Juski: how about a fairly good 400W supply?

[17:15:09]

dev:

my backend crashes randomly and im not sure why so just looking around

[17:15:21]

dev:

Hoxzer: your name aint that good either

[17:16:10]

mjelva:

what PSU do you recommend?

[17:16:11]

mardi_soir:

arrrh

[17:16:13]

mardi_soir:

hello

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mardi_soir:

i dont undersand how to solve this > http://pastebin.be/3293/

[17:16:54]

mjelva:

http://norek.no/k/ki.asp?sku=311593 <- will this suffice?

[17:17:11]

mardi_soir:

this is mythtv 0.20_p11444

[17:17:44]

Hoxzer:

dev: :D yeah, but your names brings "developer" to my mind and it annoys me

[17:17:45]

mardi_soir:

and mysql 5.0.26-r1

[17:18:25]

dev:

Hoxzer: then go annoy yourself in private

[17:18:32]

Hoxzer:

:P

[17:19:10]

mjelva:

developers, developers, developers, developers

[17:19:11]

mjelva:

amirite?

[17:19:34]

Hoxzer:

:(

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dangral:

Hi all. Can anyone recommend an Nvidia video card to replace my PVR350 output on a P3–800mhz with 384MB RAM

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mjelva:

Juski

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mjelva:

how many watts should i get?

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dev:

1.21jiggawattz!

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mjelva:

zomg

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dev:

then when you hit 88mph

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dev:

you will see some serious stuff!

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mjelva:

and how many megahurtz?

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mardi_soir:

no one knows ?

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fryfrog:

dangral: anything GF4 or better is a safe bet

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mjelva:

dev: could you recommend me a good PSU?

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fryfrog:

dangral: you probably want agp or pci

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dev:

mjelva: antec are nice and ive had no problems with them

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mjelva:

are they silent?

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mjelva:

work well in a tight htpc case?

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BULLE:

mjelva: as good as any

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dev:

mjelva: they're quiet, i use them in my desktops

[17:27:21]

BULLE:

mjelva: i have one of their most expensive psus, it doesnt even start its fan, in my case

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dangral:

fryfrog: Thanks.

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Juski:

hmmm what fs to use on a USB stick ?

[17:29:11]

D-side:

vfat.

[17:29:17]

D-side:

never know where you're gonna need it

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Juski:

fucking typical

[17:29:30]

D-side:

hm?

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Juski:

don't have fat support

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mjelva:

BULLE: hmm. doesn't seem that the store sells antec psus.

[17:29:39]

mjelva:

pity

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D-side:

heh

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BULLE:

mjelva: go to a sane store ? =)

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fryfrog:

compile it as a module?

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** Juski emerges dosfstools **

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mjelva:

are 140mm PSUs any good?

[17:31:21]

mjelva:

does the bigger fan help or make it noisier?

[17:31:34]

dev:

bigger fans are typically quieter because they dont spin as fast

[17:31:51]

dev:

but you'll want to make sure a psu with a 140mm fan with fit into an htpc

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mjelva:

true.

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BULLE:

and you get a lower frequency noise, that most people find less irritating then a high pitch one

[17:32:18]

mjelva:

but will it fit in a silverstone lc20m case?

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BULLE:

mjelva: consult documentation ?

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dev:

you're just a walking ? mark today

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mjelva:

i am

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** Juski checks out 0.20-fixes onto the USB stick :) **

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** seth|laptop copying from local would be faster **

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Juski:

it'll do

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Juski:

ooo that dosfstools is handy.. I can mount vfat nicely without any kernel mangling

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Super_Cat_Frog:

hi – does anybody know where can i get tv_grab_dvb from in ubuntu?

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Juski:

Super_Cat_Frog: you can't

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Super_Cat_Frog:

Juski: really? how come?

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Juski:

build it yerself

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Juski:

nobody has packaged it, is why

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Super_Cat_Frog:

ah rite

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Juski:

limited audience ;)

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D-side:

oh now thats a low blow. :)

[17:39:55]

D-side:

i learned just how useless fakeraid is last night, when i inadvertantly destroyed the array

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Juski:

no I was just pointing out how few people would use tv_grab_dvb, is all ;)

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Super_Cat_Frog:

who owns the uk epg data?

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D-side:

oh, well then my apologies. heh

[17:41:24]

mardi_soir:

Hello can someone help me i cant use mythtv whn i run mytthtv setup a get this > http://pastebin.be/3293/

[17:41:46]

Juski:

Super_Cat_Frog: it's public domain but you'll get into trouble redistributing it

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mardi_soir:

i did mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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mardi_soir:

mythtvbackend is lauched

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mardi_soir:

mysql restarted

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Super_Cat_Frog:

Juski: if its public domain, that means there is no legal owner, so nobody can sue you

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Juski:

Super_Cat_Frog: don't sell it, is what I mean

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Juski:

and don't make it super-publically available

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Super_Cat_Frog:

well my website wont be super-public :)

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Juski:

let me put it this way... german EPG data broadcasted over the air is now obsfurcated because of folks putting it on the web

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Juski:

so if they fuck up the UK EPG because of data being made public we know where to come ;-)

[17:44:15]

Super_Cat_Frog:

heh

[17:44:19]

** Super_Cat_Frog installs tor **

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Super_Cat_Frog:

no, its just for my family and friends, as radiotimes is shit (we talked about this the other day)

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Juski:

yes I know we talked about it the other day

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Juski:

and I'm reiterating my cautionary words

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Super_Cat_Frog:

yep

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Juski:

although, you might want to look at a project someone did to use 'tvanytime' data from the BBC

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Juski:

I remembered about that yesterday.. linked to from somewhere on the BBC R&D webpages

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** Super_Cat_Frog ganders **

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Super_Cat_Frog:

right, now to parse the output of tv_grab_dvb

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gbee:

quality of radiotimes data has gone way down in the last few weeks :(

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Juski:

meaning what?

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Juski:

accuracy?

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gbee:

aye

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** seth|laptop wonders how juski does this? **

[17:57:13]

Juski:

maybe we'll all end up using EIT all the time

[17:57:22]

Juski:

seth|laptop: whaddya mean?

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gbee:

mostly inconsistancy – e.g. missing subtitles and using a generic description for one showing, then in the repeat a day later having both the subtitle and full description etc

[17:58:33]

seth|laptop:

R5D18

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seth|laptop:

??

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gbee:

never used to be as bad as it is at the moment :(

[17:59:29]

** Juski touches his nose in a nudge-nudge/wink-wink style **

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Juski:

gbee: ahh

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** seth|laptop makes a note to smack Human, for not letting him know it was available **

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gbee:

when I last spoke to them about it, they said it was database problems and that it had been fixed – lasted a week and went downhill again

[18:00:03]

Juski:

need more deadly regexes then gbee ;)

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Juski:

time to go make something to eat

[18:01:38]

gbee:

the one I made Stuarta write for Five US, Five Life is causing enough problems atm :(

[18:02:04]

Juski:

and seth|laptop .. it's _not_ available yet, AFAIK

[18:02:09]

Juski:

(cough)

[18:02:32]

** seth|laptop Human usually keeps me in the loop, especially for AMD64 testing **

[18:02:32]

Juski:

gbee: eew. ach well. expect it'll all come out in the wash one day :)

[18:02:34]

seth|laptop:

:-(

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Kelerion:

Juski, you about?

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gbee:

Kelerion: you just missed him – Juski: time to go make something to eat

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Kelerion:

ahh ok.. thanks

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Juski:

haha

[18:06:11]

Juski:

just put the oven on...

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Juski:

these downloads need some nursing anyway... s'up mr K ?

[18:06:53]

Juski:

for matters of the expo I'm all ears

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Kelerion:

did you know there *is* chances of internet access?

[18:07:56]

Juski:

there *is* ?

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Kelerion:

will have to see how much it costs

[18:08:07]

Juski:

yeah I saw that in the exhibitors manual

[18:08:12]

Juski:

it's not cheap

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Kelerion:

I didn't see any prices yet

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Zider:

I can barely watch avi files over the network anymore.. and I can't figure out why :(

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Juski:

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Kelerion:

holy crap

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cyberkni:

Due to this error: "NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: /var/lib/mythtv/1012_20061022122102.mpg". Recorded and live tv do not play for me. Any insights?

[18:10:36]

Juski:

it's not cheap

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Juski:

:)

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Juski:

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Juski:

maybe there'll be a free-ish wireless thingy bobbing around I dunno

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Kelerion:

have got my laptop setup for net access for an emergency... it's cheaper than that... but still expensive.. lol

[18:11:50]

Juski:

but I'm working on the assumption there's no net access

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Kelerion:

over mobile phone

[18:12:09]

Juski:

haven't checked if my hotel has net access yet

[18:12:16]

Juski:

be handy for photo uploading etc

[18:12:36]

Kelerion:

I checked if mine did but it didn't

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Juski:

look on page 52 of the manual Kelerion ... all the prices are there. make sure you're sitting down

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gbee:

milking it just a little

[18:13:15]

Juski:

we're in the wrong game, obviously

[18:13:41]

Kelerion:

wireless is 295! bloody hell.. lol

[18:13:55]

Juski:

right... time for tea.. back in a bit

[18:14:39]

Kelerion:

£3,179 for an 8mb... you'd have to be nuts

[18:16:29]

christof_:

hi all, I have recently upgraded to mythtv 0.20. Now I have some "flickering" on some channels. Did anybody experience the same?

[18:17:42]

gbee:

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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gbee:

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dev:

ah that ringBufferSwitchRaceConditionFix.diff still hasnt made it into 0.20-fixes eh

[18:36:37]

dev:

guess not enough people ran into the prob? hehe

[18:36:41]

dev:

oh well, at least still i have the diff to apply

[18:37:03]

dev:

and it applied cleanly still, woot

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dev:

forget what ticket # that patch was posted in, sympton is livetv locking up at program boundry when switching

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Juski:

re

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Juski:

so we chipping in for the 8mb internet then? :-P

[18:38:49]

** scopeuk can chip in a cupple of nics **

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Kelerion:

yeah.. why not... am sure I'll have some pound coins in my pocket.. lol

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Juski:

we could hire a dedicated BT line for less than that I'm sure

[18:39:19]

scopeuk:

if i happenedto be in proper accomodation id be on a proper conenction dont mind payign for itjsut this crap the uni fob you off with

[18:39:27]

Kelerion:

we could hire a satellite connection for less! lol

[18:39:45]

Juski:

up/downlink for less too

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scopeuk:

im sure a fiber link into janet is cheaper

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** Kelerion laughs **

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scopeuk:

iirc 2gg is 3k

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Juski:

(only if janet wouldn't mind though – I hear she gets touchy)

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Kelerion:

Juski, am doing a complete fresh install of everything this evening

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Juski:

Kelerion: ok... have a good all-nighter then ;)

[18:40:58]

Kelerion:

my setup has been slowing down for a while (db I think)

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Juski:

just tidy up the db then

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scopeuk:

migradte db to a cluster ;-)

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** scopeuk consders if he should try it some time **

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scopeuk:

have lots of comps there all jsut sht

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Juski:

a cluster of pocket calculators, scopeuk ?

[18:41:57]

scopeuk:

have about 15 celleron 433's

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scopeuk:

currently stacked in a cupboard at home

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Kelerion:

I have 25 spare P1's I picked up a year ago... haven't got around to playing with them yet

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scopeuk:

lol

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Juski:

weee the md5sum checks out

[18:42:34]

scopeuk:

im thinking of ocing one of the 433's till it explodes

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Juski:

taking the graphics with me on a USB key just in case, too

[18:45:23]

Kelerion:

Juski, have downloaded a few trailers for movies...putting them in mythmovie with all the metadata... no copyright problems then

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Juski:

Kelerion: coolness

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Super_Cat_Frog:

argh! pear::XML_Parser wont read the cdata in the <title> tag of the xmltv file

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** Super_Cat_Frog throws something **

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Juski:

I can put the Systm mythtv show on my usb key

[18:46:46]

Juski:

Super_Cat_Frog: just get xmltv

[18:46:46]

Kelerion:

the what?

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Juski:

Kelerion: not heard of Systm ?

[18:47:07]

Kelerion:

nope

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Super_Cat_Frog:

Juski: i want to know exactly whats going on, i dont want to have a funky website, and not understand how the data is getting to the database

[18:47:18]

Juski:

http://revision3.com/systm/mythtv

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Juski:

Super_Cat_Frog: xmltv is only Perl anyway.. should give you everything you need

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Super_Cat_Frog:

Juski: i cba learning perl at the mo

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dtm:

hmmmm ok i'm finally running mythtv-setup and it can't find my WinTV PVR USB2. but the device does work on /dev/video0. Under Capture Cards, shouldn't i select "mpeg2 encoder card"?

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Kelerion:

*watches it*

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Kelerion:

never seen this

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Juski:

dtm: yup

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dtm:

i can do 'cat /dev/video0' but mythtv can't see it

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Juski:

Super_Cat_Frog: so be it.

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dtm:

oh well it probed again and found it

[18:49:39]

dtm:

after i left the menu and came back (??)

[18:50:00]

Juski:

dtm: just goes to show about USB devices eh

[18:50:13]

dtm:

Juski: no, i'd say it's a mythtv bug.

[18:50:23]

dtm:

coz the device was there all along and has nothing to do with usb.

[18:50:25]

Juski:

course you'd say that

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dtm:

it's just /dev/video0

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Juski:

wouldn't have beena user error either of course...

[18:50:45]

dtm:

yes, subscribing to common sense, and finding the most plausible explanation, yes.

[18:50:48]

dtm:

no, it wouldn't.

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Juski:

maybe something else was still using the device the 1st time

[18:51:13]

dtm:

there's no other option than selecting "mpeg2 encoder" and /dev/video0

[18:51:18]

dtm:

no, there's no other software running.

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Juski:

I dunno.. maybe it took time for the process to stop properly & unhook from the device (?)

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Juski:

like when you catted it...

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dtm:

for what process?

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dtm:

no i did that afterward.

[18:52:21]

Juski:

or maybe it needed 'waking up' cos it's USB

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dtm:

:-.

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AlfadorJanus:

Anyone around that can help me with lirc?

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Juski:

AlfadorJanus: yeh in #lirc

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Juski:

dtm.. funny but this page http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card says it's not compatible with mythtv

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Erroneous_1:

has anyone in here set up a DiSEqC switch?

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czth__:

that's scary caseage

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Juski:

dtm: but later on the same page it says if you use this driver... http://www.isely.net/pvrusb2/pvrusb2.html you'll stand a chance of it working properly

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janneg:

Juski: the wiki is wrong, we have now support for the blackbird-cards and the pvr usb2 (with kernel 2.6.18 or later)

[18:57:28]

AlfadorJanus:

Can someone help me with lirc please......I have a serial infrared receiver and the modules installed and loaded

[18:57:34]

dtm:

Juski: yes i am, and it does work. this is my second installation on this same hardware.

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pup:

hi, i am installing mythtv for the first time, on ubuntu. I am now trying to check that QT is installed correctly, with "echo $QTDIR", but it seems empty. is there a package I need to install?

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dtm:

Juski: and that driver is standard in linux 2.6.18 (FC5) fyi

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AlfadorJanus:

i can do cat /dev/lirc/0 and when I press buttons on my remote, stuff comes up

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janneg:

or better to say it should be supported.

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AlfadorJanus:

however, if i run irw

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AlfadorJanus:

and press buttons, nothing happens

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Juski:

janneg: nice :)

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Juski:

AlfadorJanus: so lircd is listening on the wrong device, or your lircd.conf file remote definitions are screwed

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Kelerion:

Juski, nice

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Juski:

dtm: goodo... so I've no real idea why the device wasn't seen first time round other than random speculation

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Kelerion:

will watch second half after eastenders.. lol

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Juski:

fucking _three_ corrie episodes tonight :-|

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** gr0mit has now got his nvidia card talking to his telly....but the picture quiality is not quite right. I have set it for PAL (am in UK) but there seems to be a slight jerkiness to the picture **

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gr0mit:

it is especially noticable on the Simpsons

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Juski:

gr0mit: either crank up the tvout flicker filter a tad, or enable deinterlacing in mythtv

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gr0mit:

I thought to a TV I needed interlacing on?

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Juski:

hahaha

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** gr0mit hides **

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AlfadorJanus:

Juski: I copied the config off the lirc website for my control

[19:01:18]

Juski:

IF you can get a proper interlaced video mode on your card, yes

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AlfadorJanus:

and pasted it into /etc/lircd.conf

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gr0mit:

how can i tell?

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gr0mit:

I have a nvidia GF card...

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Juski:

AlfadorJanus: well, where is lircd listening to? /dev/lirc/0 or /dev/lirc0 , or /dev/lirc ?

[19:02:07]

AlfadorJanus:

and my /etc/conf.d/lircd has LIRCD_OPTS="-d /dev/lirc/0"

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Juski:

gr0mit: your X log would tell you which mode you're in

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Juski:

AlfadorJanus: then your lircd.conf is cacka

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Juski:

unless of course the lircd daemon has crashed for some reason...

[19:03:06]

Juski:

is it running?

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AlfadorJanus:

yah

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AlfadorJanus:

at least i told it to

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gr0mit:

juski – what am i looking for in the log?

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Juski:

ps -ef |grep lirc

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Juski:

gr0mit: which video mode it's running.. it'll be in there somewhere

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AlfadorJanus:

root 6108 1 0 13:44 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/lircd -d /dev/lirc/0

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Juski:

AlfadorJanus: so your lircd.conf remote definition isn't the one for your remote, sorry

[19:04:29]

AlfadorJanus:

its the exact model number and the picture is the picture of my remote :(

[19:04:41]

Juski:

no guarantee of anything, that

[19:04:47]

Juski:

luckily there's irrecord

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Juski:

irrecord, FYI, is lirc's 'learning' feature

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AlfadorJanus:

guess I'll have to read up on how to set that up

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Juski:

irrecord foobarfile.conf

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Juski:

then follow the onscreen instructions

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AlfadorJanus:

alrighty

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Erroneous_1:

has anyone in here set up a DiSEqC switch? I'm trying to set one up so I can switch between my HDTV's antenna and cable

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Juski:

I think you have to stop lircd running for it to work, can't remember

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AlfadorJanus:

need to be root to set it up?

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Juski:

Erroneous_1: it'd only work with cards that support one, and if your card doesn't support it...

[19:06:47]

christof_:

i have some extreme flickering (only on some channels) since I upgraded to mythtv 0.20. Anybode experiences the similar? Did I miss some new settings? (Before I had 0.18 from ubuntu)

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Juski:

AlfadorJanus: no, don't think so

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Erroneous_1:

Juski: does the pcHDTV 5500 support it?

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Juski:

Erroneous_1: not as far as I know

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Juski:

you might want to try googling

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Juski:

Erroneous_1: maybe a diplexer would be better for you

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Erroneous_1:

haven't heard of that one. Google here we come

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Juski:

think I'd better go steady tonight.. don't wanna be all questioned out ;-)

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Juski:

btw Kelerion you got any double-sided sticky tape handy?

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Juski:

if not I can pick some up tomorrow

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Juski:

or maybe tonight.. popping out in a bit

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scopeuk:

you know if some randomer was droped in this channel they'ed wonder what plannet us lot lived on

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scopeuk:

where you gonan get double sided tape at 8:10 juski?

[19:09:52]

Juski:

ASDA :)

[19:09:59]

scopeuk:

lol fair enough

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Juski:

gotta love unscrupulous working practises eh ;)

[19:10:42]

Juski:

might leave it til 3am.. heh

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scopeuk:

Juski ive been to tesco at 4:30 am

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scopeuk:

and asda at 3:30 ish

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scopeuk:

all good fun no quese and i dotn have to tlak to 1/2 dozen of my dads friends becouse there nto there to bmp into

[19:12:39]

scopeuk:

think i might be on a sugar rush

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scopeuk:

or maby its cafine

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Juski:

it's also when all the weirdos go shopping :-P

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scopeuk:

could bebother i spose

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scopeuk:

Juski hence why im there

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Juski:

hell, leaving the house at 8.30am on my day off

[19:13:41]

scopeuk:

my brother and i realised we needed food at 3:30 whilst my dad was on holiday so we whent to asda

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Juski:

need food at 3.30am? phone for a takeaway

[19:14:16]

Juski:

actually, no, not even in the '24 hour city'

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Erroneous_1:

Juski: any recommendations for a diplexer for HDTV/cable or is it pretty much all the same?

[19:14:38]

Juski:

Erroneous_1: no idea. try some home theater (sic) forums or summink

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scopeuk:

Juski like aweeks worth of food

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Juski:

heh.. fair nuff

[19:16:14]

scopeuk:

yes we noticed the cupboards were empty at 3:30

[19:16:35]

scopeuk:

if you look in chat logs you can proably find it lol

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Juski:

only 1 snag with going shopping at that hour

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Juski:

no beer on sale!!!!!!!!!!

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scopeuk:

beer was already in

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scopeuk:

priorities man

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scopeuk:

and asda and tesco near my house are both now licenced 24 horus

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Juski:

oh FFS my camera just crashed!

[19:17:53]

scopeuk:

lol?

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gr0mit:

http://pastebin.ca/217654 juski – here is my log

[19:18:00]

scopeuk:

know i am

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gr0mit:

chipset seems to support interlaced

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scopeuk:

of all the things ive crashed i dotn think my cam is one of em

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gr0mit:

not convinced it is is enabled/ what are the II ** == in the log?

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dtm:

hm i can't find mythtv 0.20 binaries for macos.

[19:21:51]

dtm:

aha maybe i did at thesniderpad.com

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Erroneous_1:

Juski: apparently I can't use a diplexer because OTA HD and cable frequencies overlap. Looks like my only choice would be DiSEqC or something similar

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Juski:

Erroneous_1: so you're out of luck then, probably

[19:23:14]

Juski:

get a 2nd tuner

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Erroneous_1:

I have a second tuner but not much space in the box and it is a bad heat situation

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Juski:

gr0mit: I never had any joy getting interlaced modes to work, even when the GPU was reported to support em... but if you load nvidia-settings & set the flicker filter to about half, say... it'll help a _lot_

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Juski:

Erroneous_1: AFAIK myth only supports DiSEqC switches on DVB-S cards, and then only partially

[19:24:58]

Juski:

and AFAIK no HDTV tuners (for cable or OTA) can use em

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Juski:

time for a better cooled box, in that case

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gr0mit:

ok, thanks

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Juski:

sucky I know but given no other choice...

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gr0mit:

do i set myth to de-interlaced then?

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Juski:

gr0mit: you can do

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Juski:

in tv playback settings

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Erroneous_1:

ah...so ino if I want both regular TV and HDTV I more or less have to buy an HDTV package from my cable provider

[19:26:07]

Juski:

utils/setup > setup > tv > playback

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gr0mit:

will try tyhe flicker filter first....

[19:26:28]

Juski:

gr0mit: you may be amazed, as I was ;-)

[19:26:29]

Erroneous_1:

maybe I can build a serial port switcher to maybe interact with an A/B switch...

[19:26:34]

gr0mit:

ok, thanks

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gr0mit:

brb

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dtm:

Juski: ok i made an account on mythtv.org so i could edit the wiki and say that the pvrusb2 works, but when i go to edit mode, the information is all correct. the wiki is not displaying what's actually in its own database.

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Juski:

Erroneous_1: yeh maybe... you could build a script then, and lookup the channel being changed to & set the switch accordingly

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Juski:

dtm: whoops. I edited that page last night & it came back ok

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dtm:

Juski: oh ... now it's good.

[19:27:55]

dtm:

Juski: it wasn't as of when you just pasted it to me. maybe someone reverted it somehow.

[19:28:04]

dtm:

i just reloaded it.

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Erroneous_1:

or since HDTV is a DVB device and cable is analog, just run the command with a different parameter. The pcHDTV 5500 uses standard DVB/V4L drivers/settings unlike the 2000/3000

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BULLE:

dtm: or a http cache somewhere

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aboutblank:

is legacy freetype devs required to compile mythtv? error log: http://pastebin.ca/216305 I have libttf-dev package installed. ubuntu dapper.

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Juski:

Erroneous_1: yeah if they're different 'video sources' you could do that

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Juski:

when I go to edit the page, dtm.. I get ||[[Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-USB2]]||kernel>=2.6.18||?||Y||?||?||Should be supported with MythTV 0.20|| Unknown

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Erroneous_1:

indeed they are. Otherwise I'd have been stuck with the DataDirect info being for one or the other

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Juski:

dtm: change has taken hold now..

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Juski:

whee my linux written USB stick is readable by winblows :)

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janneg:

dtm, Juski I ahve edited the the page

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Juski:

that's why dtm's change didn't take.. was being edited!

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scopeuk:

Juski why wouldent it be?

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Juski:

scopeuk: multiple people editing the same page == bad, prolly

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scopeuk:

Juski meant the usb stick

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Juski:

scopeuk: dunno. never played with vfat before

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scopeuk:

and i knwo the screwign with the same piece of data multiple ways is a bad idea

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scopeuk:

lol

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Juski:

time to buzz out the lapdog with ubuntu

[19:33:59]

scopeuk:

lsot track of how many files ive moved between windows and linuxs o many ways its not funney

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Juski:

or should I try a knoppmyth cd in it for laughs?

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scopeuk:

linux ntfs windows ext2 both of em usign fat

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scopeuk:

Juski go for it

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Juski:

bugger. can't find the umbongo cd

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** scopeuk prepares to reinstall opera **

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** scopeuk bangs fists in anger at the pitiful speed cap **

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Juski:

ach well. burning a new one lol

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Juski:

oo I'll have a network port by my train seat tomorrow (allegedly)

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scopeuk:

lol

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scopeuk:

lapytopign it on the traing with umbongo?

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gardengnome:

laptopying?

[19:38:32]

scopeuk:

usign a laptop

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scopeuk:

soryr ive had too much sugar and cafine tonight

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gardengnome:

;)

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** Super_Cat_Frog returns **

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Juski:

bah but only in 1st class. bastard elite

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scopeuk:

lol

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scopeuk:

off to linux world is it?

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Juski:

no i think I'll join the foreign legion tomorrow instead

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Super_Cat_Frog:

Juski: i managed to get it parsed, there were blank cdata fields, so i trimmed them, and returned false on them being null

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scopeuk:

ok

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** scopeuk waves good by **

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Juski:

they don't ask questions there, I heard

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Juski:

seems I was wrong about virgin trains having network stuff altogether

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Zider:

this is weird.. if I play an avi on the mythbox over samba, I get "header damaged" from time to time.. if I play it locally it works.. and if I play the file from the mythbox back via samba on the ws, it works just fine..

[19:42:43]

Gurft:

Juski: you can alwasy ask for a free upgrade at teh ticket counter

[19:42:53]

Juski:

Gurft: true

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Juski:

or demand one when I find some person who "not speaky english" sitting in my reserved seat

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Juski:

saw that happen on my trip home last time I went by train. it got ugly

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D-side:

hah

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Gurft:

I've found that at least with the airlines I can 90% of the time get an upgrade just by asking. I love flying first class, not sure if it's the same trainwise though.

[19:44:52]

Juski:

apparently to some people living in the UK, the word 'reserved' means nothing

[19:45:02]

Gurft:

If they say no it's usually becuase first class is full.

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scopeuk:

oh ffs wth do i have to do to get the icon back for opera o nstart menu

[19:45:11]

Gurft:

Now I flew business class to London once. woooo that was the LIFE.

[19:45:24]

Juski:

and then when the guard asks them to move for the guy whose seat it really is, he's being 'racist' :-|

[19:45:32]

D-side:

Juski: hah.

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D-side:

the UK doesnt have a monopoly over that sort of behaviour, believe me.

[19:45:49]

Juski:

business class rocks

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gbee:

always someone who thinks that a reserved seat is meaningless, not so amusing when you've had a long trip and just want to sit down

[19:46:00]

Juski:

it's the only way to fly (or 1st)

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Juski:

gbee: eggsac ;)

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Juski:

works both ways

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D-side:

i've only flown once in my life.

[19:47:54]

D-side:

though i suppose you could count it as 4, since it was round trip with a connection.

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gbee:

the most annoying scenario is when someone is sitting in your reserved seat and you then have to find the only unreserved seat in the carriage

[19:48:07]

D-side:

it was in the back of the plane, and it was loud and uncomfortable.

[19:48:08]

Juski:

first time I ever flew across the status in one of those airbus a370 things (or whatever the one that had a bad crash history)...

[19:48:17]

Juski:

/s/status/states

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D-side:

gbee: but.

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D-side:

if its your seat, then they get to move.

[19:49:00]

Juski:

I wouldn't fancy the guard's job much... such a diplomat

[19:49:12]

gbee:

D-side: not always that easy, particularly if they want to fight about it

[19:49:35]

Juski:

boiled my wee when the woman accused the guard of being racist though

[19:49:53]

Juski:

he couldn't have been more reasonable

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D-side:

Juski: of course.

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gbee:

actually got threatened on a crowded train when I asked a couple of kids to move, their dad was pretty angry :(

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Juski:

yeh, and the govt thinks the solution is to blame anyone but the parents

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Juski:

time for me to scoot out for a bit

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gbee:

anyway, hopefully won't be having those sort of problems this week :)

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Juski:

yeah hopefully

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** Juski crosses everything **

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Gurft:

Hey, I'm looking for case suggestions. Need something sub $100 that's goign to look nice in the stereo system cabinet....

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lostinmyth:

some advice needed, i have an ati HDTV wonder, does not work so well. what is a good priced HD tuner?

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gr0mit:

juski, it still does not look quite right....

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gr0mit:

on a pc screen it looks perfect

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gr0mit:

and dvd i burned from a recording looks good

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gr0mit:

when played back on my normal DVD player

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gr0mit:

so there is something about the video output from myth/nvidia that doesn't feel right'

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clop:

i just built ivtv, and i think i am running udev. when i run "modprobe ivtv", i don't get any errors and ivtv shows up in lsmod. but, i don' thave a /dev/video0 file. any ideas where i went wrong?

[19:56:59]

ServerSage:

clop: Do you have /dev/v4l/ ?

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clop:

ServerSage, nope, seem to be missing that

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ServerSage:

clop: What does dmesg tell you?

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clop:

ah, it says, unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw, did you put the firmware in the hotplug firmware directory?

[19:58:20]

clop:

i don't think i did that

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ServerSage:

clop: What distro are you using?

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clop:

ubuntu dapper drake

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clop:

i see, i think i need to run this ivtvfwextract.pl script?

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ServerSage:

clop: I'm looking for the how-to for Ubuntu for you. Might take a minute, I'm working too.

[20:04:48]

ServerSage:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_D . . . _IVTV_driver

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clop:

oh, thanks, i can definitely try to look into this now that i've seen the problem :)

[20:05:17]

ServerSage:

clop: dmesg is your best friend when trying to figure stuff like this out.

[20:05:26]

clop:

ah ok

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czth__:

bastids at the computer store said i'd get my mythtv box today last week and now it's gonna be tomorrow

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ServerSage:

czth__: When will then be now? Soon!

[20:07:23]

czth__:

something like that

[20:07:55]

fryfrog:

does anyone have an nforce / forcedeth based nic?

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ServerSage:

Does nobody watch space balls?

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: Maybe....

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czth__:

i read the book a long time ago, sorry :>

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fryfrog:

I see tons of "eth0: too many iterations (11) in nv_nic_irq." (well, it used to be 6 but I upped the limit to 10)

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clop:

Woot! ivtv0: Initialized WinTV PVR 350, card #0

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fryfrog:

clop: huha!

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clop:

cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg

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clop:

oops

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: Google man, Google. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=179422

[20:10:44]

clop:

i have beautiful static !

[20:10:51]

Zider:

how can playing a video file over network lag when copying the file works fine?

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fryfrog:

yar, that dobie what i found

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fryfrog:

but basically all i get out of it is "up the limit" :/

[20:11:28]

fryfrog:

Zider: I dunno, annoying isn't it?

[20:11:35]

fryfrog:

what are you dealing with?

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Zider:

fryfrog: I can suddenly not play video files over samba from my ws.. copying the file is no problem, gets 5MB/sec, and playing locally works fine too

[20:13:18]

Zider:

and I have no idea what might have broken

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: You did see to try upping it until the error goes away, right? Also, what version of the kernel are you running?

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fryfrog:

ServerSage: yeah, I've upped it from 5 to 10 already, I'm running 2.6.18. My modules.conf has it set to 15 or 20 when i reboot/remodprobe it

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fryfrog:

but you know, i'd rather get to the bottom of it than hide it :)

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fryfrog:

Zider: hummm, do you have decently tweaked samba?

[20:15:13]

fryfrog:

can you not play *myth* video files or *any* video files?

[20:15:48]

Zider:

fryfrog: I haven't untweaked anything since it stopped working

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: Is it causing you problems?

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Zider:

fryfrog: currently I'm trying to play an avi file with xine

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Honk^away:

http://nopaste.php-q.net/248829 <-- mythfrontend -v all

[20:16:25]

Honk^away:

:/

[20:16:29]

Honk^away:

(listening to music)

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Zider:

fryfrog: I get "[mpeg4 @ 0xb60cc224]header damaged" from time to time while playing

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fryfrog:

Zider: wait, are you using linux samba -> linux? or windows smb -> linux?

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Zider:

fryfrog: linux on both ends

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seth|laptop:

question, how does one manually add channels to the database

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fryfrog:

ServerSage: really, i'm not sure if it is or not. I thought it might be behind my IOBOUND issues, but i'm not sure

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Honk^away:

seth|laptop: just edit the channels table

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fryfrog:

Zider: why are you using samba to do linux <-> linux?

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Honk^away:

it's pretty straight forward :]

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fryfrog:

out of curiosity

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seth|laptop:

i have 2 identical HD cards, and I can only get abot half of the channels on one that I get on the other,

[20:19:38]

Zider:

fryfrog: because it's a smooth system, at least when using fusesmb

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seth|laptop:

I suppose I can use webmin for this?

[20:19:54]

fryfrog:

or phpmyadmin seth|laptop?

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seth|laptop:

hmm

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Honk^away:

should work with any sql client really

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fryfrog:

Zider: oh, i dunno what fusesmb is :/ I use nfs for linux to linux

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Zider:

fryfrog: and no need to "adapt" any guest windows computers either, just plug'em in and go

[20:20:29]

fryfrog:

Zider: Nothing wrong with running samba *and* nfs :)

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Zider:

fryfrog: fusesmb is a program for mounting an entire samba network

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fryfrog:

ahhhhh

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Honk^away:

Zider: no reason to use samba only .P

[20:20:49]

** seth|laptop installs phpmyadmin **

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Zider:

fryfrog: so you get /mnt/samba/WORKGROUP/ with all the boxes

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fryfrog:

neat

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fryfrog:

i'm emerging it now :)

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Honk^away:

didnt really work for me :P

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Zider:

Honk^away: no reason to use anything else as long as it works

[20:21:11]

Honk^away:

't was showing nothing half of the time

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Honk^away:

and everything every few minutes

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fryfrog:

5mb/sec is kind of half speed for a 100mbit switched network

[20:21:33]

fryfrog:

I see 10–11mb/sec easy from 100mbit with nfs

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fryfrog:

though samba should be close to the same

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Zider:

5MB/sek is good for my crappy network :P

[20:21:41]

Honk^away:

*nod*

[20:21:43]

Honk^away:

Zider: it's not :P

[20:21:51]

Zider:

it is

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fryfrog:

5mb/sec *should* be good enough to stream over samba anyway

[20:21:56]

Honk^away:

you've got 100mbit obviously, you should get 9mb/s =)

[20:22:04]

Zider:

Honk^away: "for my crappy network"

[20:22:04]

Honk^away:

Zider: try iperf

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fryfrog:

at least, its obvious something is wrong :)

[20:22:16]

Honk^away:

Zider: try it =)

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seth|laptop:

what is the default port for phpmyadmin?

[20:22:44]

Honk^away:

and why does mythmusic segfault? =D

[20:22:56]

fryfrog:

er, its a web app?

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fryfrog:

so http://localhost/phpmyadmin/

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Zider:

Honk^away: I already know what I'm getting

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Honk^away:

Zider: well.. what DO you get

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fryfrog:

I only get about 30mb/sec over gige :(

[20:23:32]

Honk^away:

iperf is like 20kb large

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Zider:

Honk^away: didn't I just tell you that?

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Honk^away:

just try it =)

[20:23:38]

Honk^away:

no you didnt

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Honk^away:

iperf does not measure file transfer speeds

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Zider:

5MB/sec

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Honk^away:

definitely not

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Zider:

I didn't say that

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Honk^away:

you said you got 5mb/s samba speeds

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Honk^away:

you definitely dont get the same with iperf

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Zider:

I get 5MB/sec no matter what I use

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Honk^away:

just show me the results =)

[20:24:33]

Honk^away:

it takes like 10 seconds to run it

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fryfrog:

Zider: is your network wireless or something odd, out of curiosity?

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Zider:

fryfrog: wired, unshielded "phone wires", extremely low budget POS switch

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

i wonder if you get a lot of errors :(

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snecklifter:

hello all

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Honk^away:

try iperf anyway =)

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Zider:

fryfrog: RX packets:358026 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0

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snecklifter:

anyone having probs with lirc after updating to 2.6.18?

[20:25:48]

Zider:

Honk^away: relax

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Honk^away:

cmon, just give it a go =D

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fryfrog:

snecklifter: of course you re-compiled lirc, since it creates kernel modules?

[20:26:05]

Zider:

Honk^away: working on it, stop bothering me! :P

[20:26:41]

Honk^away:

i dont have anything else to do apart from bugging you more and more :]

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snecklifter:

fryfrog, running axels rpms so yeah, got the updated kmdl

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Honk^away:

so.. do it =)

[20:26:56]

Zider:

Honk^away: I have a nifty little thing called /ingore here.. :P

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fryfrog:

did you reboot or re-modprobe em?

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ServerSage:

snecklifter: What is the problem you are having?

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snecklifter:

the buttons all work fine in 2.6.17 but only some work in 2.6.18

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snecklifter:

four directionals, go and the numbers

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fryfrog:

did your /etc/lirc.conf file get messed up?

[20:27:42]

fryfrog:

does irw report the same issue?

[20:27:46]

fryfrog:

er, show

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snecklifter:

fryfrog, i thought it might have done so I re-recorded it

[20:27:57]

snecklifter:

and no probs doing that

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ServerSage:

snecklifter: So irw shows all the buttons are working?

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fryfrog:

I'm using 2.6.18, lirc and it works fine :/

[20:28:14]

snecklifter:

irw ignores keypresses from those that myth doesnt recognise

[20:28:20]

fryfrog:

humm

[20:28:24]

snecklifter:

quite

[20:28:24]

fryfrog:

what about mode2?

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snecklifter:

mode2?

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fryfrog:

think it just shows the raw shit coming from the sensor

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ServerSage:

snecklifter: What kind of remote/IR Receiver are you using?

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Zider:

Honk^away: around 50Mbit

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** seth|laptop gives up, tooo complicated sheesh **

[20:29:11]

snecklifter:

Hauppage grey new

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Honk^away:

Zider: paste it =D

[20:29:29]

Honk^away:

i wonder what's causing that though

[20:29:36]

Honk^away:

cant be the line really, can it?

[20:29:52]

snecklifter:

for the Nova DVB-t

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ServerSage:

snecklifter: Hmmm. Yeah, I have the same 1 (3 of them) and they all work. I wouldn't imagine it does, but does dmesg show anyhting?

[20:30:25]

clop:

hrmn, i had "mode2" working a moment ago, then i rebooted and now it says "/dev/lirc is not a character device, use -d to specify the correct device"

[20:30:30]

snecklifter:

dmesg doesnt show anything, in fact i grep through it and theres no info on module being loaded

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ServerSage:

clop: Perhaps /dev/lirc/0

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snecklifter:

but then there isn't on 2.6.17 and it works fine

[20:31:08]

clop:

ServerSage, that fixed it straight away, thanks!

[20:31:16]

ServerSage:

clop: No prob.

[20:31:24]

clop:

do i need to do something to the daemon so that irw will connect to it? it says connection refused

[20:31:28]

Honk^away:

Zider: odd.. very odd :]

[20:31:30]

ServerSage:

snecklifter: Odd problem indeed.

[20:31:37]

Zider:

Honk^away: it's hardly related to this problem tho, since the ntwork always has been slow..

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snecklifter:

ServerSage, yeah, i've been banging my head against a wall for a few days now

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Zider:

Honk^away: and it works one way but not the other

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ServerSage:

clop: You need to make sure the user has permissions to read from it. What does -la /dev/lirc/0 show?

[20:32:12]

clop:

crw-rw-rw-

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ServerSage:

snecklifter: It really sounds like the wrong module is getting loaded.

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snecklifter:

I might just brutally upgrade to fc6 and hope that fixes it

[20:32:29]

Honk^away:

you've got a problem? never knew about that :]

[20:32:35]

snecklifter:

sledgehammer and nut i know but hell

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Honk^away:

though 5mb/s surely is problematic =)

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ServerSage:

snecklifter: Go Gentoo. ;)

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Zider:

Honk^away: the speed doesn't bother me, I'll rewire everything in a month anyway, in the new apartment

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snecklifter:

ServerSage, I've been meaning to try it – supposed to be v. myth friendly

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Zider:

Honk^away: and 5MB/sec is well enough to play movies

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ServerSage:

clop: When do you get the message? When you run /etc/init.d/lircd start?

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** seth|laptop needs a phpmydmin expert **

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ServerSage:

snecklifter: I love Gentoo. The wiki pages for Gentoo and Myth are amazingly complete.

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Honk^away:

Zider: nice =)

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** snecklifter thanks ServerSage for his thoughts anyway **

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Honk^away:

go for gbit! :P

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gbee:

seth|laptop: try your question, a few people might be able to answer even if they don't consider themselves experts

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snecklifter:

ServerSage, Yeah I've got a lot of info from them

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clop:

ServerSage, i was getting the msg when i ran "irw", but i think i fixed it-- just had to set up the DEVICE="/dev/lirc/0" in the /etc/lirc/hardware.conf

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ServerSage:

snecklifter: Does lsmod show the right module?

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clop:

now it seems to be working fine

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Zider:

Honk^away: yes, I have a problem that showed up recently.. I can't play movies over samba using xine without getting "[mpeg4 @ 0xb609b224]header damaged"

[20:34:54]

snecklifter:

hmmm, will have a look

[20:35:25]

snecklifter:

which module should be loaded?

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snecklifter:

The only one I have now is ir_common

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seth|laptop:

ok here is my question, I have 2 air2pc cards, tuner1 has all of the channels I want, owever while scanning tuner2 about 3 of them don't show up, what I would like to do is clone the channels on tuner1 to tuner2, source 2 to source3

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ServerSage:

snecklifter: I think you need lirc_i2c

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snecklifter:

ServerSage, tried loading that and no difference which leads me to believe its just using kernel driver

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Honk^away:

Zider: use mplayer *g*

[20:37:07]

Zider:

Honk^away: howay

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Zider:

no even

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Honk^away:

can you play if you copy the files first?

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snecklifter:

and maybe there was some change to it in the 2.6.18 update

[20:37:22]

Honk^away:

maybe you just need to increase the cache

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ServerSage:

snecklifter: I don't think it was a change. I'm using 2.6.18 on hauppauge cards with the grey remotes without problem.

[20:37:50]

Zider:

Honk^away: I can copy it over and play just fine.. but not play directly over samba..

[20:38:04]

Honk^away:

yah, try increasing the cache size

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snecklifter:

ServerSage, you are using the lirc_i2c modules though?

[20:38:18]

Honk^away:

(dont ask me how, i'm using mplayer :P)

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ServerSage:

snecklifter: Yup.

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Zider:

Honk^away: I already have.. it's at 64MB now :P

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Gurft:

anyone had to replace their system disk before... I'd really prefer NOT to lose all the hardware I did on this box, but I think the disk is on it's way out the door.

[20:38:27]

snecklifter:

thats gotta be my problem

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Gurft:

Would like to migrate everythign before it dies...

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Honk^away:

Zider: try mplayer *g*

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mork:

Hi .. got 3 minor questions

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Zider:

Honk^away: mplayer also has problems, but different..

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ServerSage:

snecklifter: Try adding it to your modules.conf and reboot maybe?

[20:39:01]

Honk^away:

what kind of problems?

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snecklifter:

yeah will do

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Zider:

Honk^away: instead of the errors it jumps back to previous frames and then back to position again..

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mork:

1 anyone that has managed to make a http TS streamwork as a device ? (DVB)

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snecklifter:

is the line a long one involving --ignore-install etc....

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Zider:

Honk^away: and I can't get audio working properly either

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ServerSage:

snecklifter: In your modules.conf file?

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snecklifter:

yeah

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snecklifter:

or is it just alias char-major-61 something

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ServerSage:

snecklifter: alias char-major-61 lirc_i2c

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snecklifter:

thats the one

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gbee:

seth|laptop: difficult to do with pure SQL, it's easier to clone records, just not so easy to update them to use the tuner2/source2 ids at the same time

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seth|laptop:

it seems no mysql-fu like one mysql command would do it, but I have

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snecklifter:

okay, i''ll give that a shot, i'm shelled in at the mo so can do it remotely

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gbee:

seth|laptop: if it's just three missing channels, then copying those over by hand might be the quickest solution, even if it isn't the easiest

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seth|laptop:

guess i need to play with this phpmyadmin thing

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clop:

what is "dvb" and do i want to enable it when i compile mythtv?

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clop:

using --enable-dvb?

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seth|laptop:

i can seure out hower to source 3, just need to fige the ones I want to copy ov

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Zider:

clop: dvb = Digital Video Broadcasting

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Honk^away:

Zider: no clue *g*

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Zider:

Honk^away: same here.. :(

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clop:

Zider, so is that for like, if i want to decode digital cable channels or something?

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Honk^away:

try nfs though

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snecklifter:

oh crikey

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Zider:

Honk^away: nfs gets buggered up if the server reboots while client has it mounted..

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Zider:

clop: I guess ;)

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kormoc:

Zider, ooh? it should just disconnect and try reconnecting until it works fine

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Zider:

kormoc: maybe it has evolved since I used it last :P

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Honk^away:

Zider: it's for testing ;)

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Honk^away:

and it's supposed to work :P

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Zider:

so is samba.. and it did, until recently..

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Honk^away:

but it doesnt right now

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Honk^away:

and using nfs you could test it

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snecklifter:

ServerSage, lirc refusing to load for some reason but flatmate has to watch something now so will return to it tomorrow

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snecklifter:

thanks very much for help anyway

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ivor:

mork: what exactly are you trying to do?

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Zider:

Honk^away: hmm, it seems not all files are "unplayable".. only a lot..

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mork:

well .. at the moment I just got a "basic" mythTV install ..

[20:52:26]

mork:

for tryout ..

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mork:

the thing is I got a Dreambox 7020 "linux sat reciver

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mork:

it does stream the locked channel but it does it in http ..

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ivor:

oh I see. and you want to capture that into mythtv?

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mork:

aka a m3u file (http://mydreambox.mydomain.local/video.m3u)

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mork:

yes

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mork:

but I cant get the mythTV scripts to accept it att a video device

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Honk^away:

Zider: you really should try nfs to rule out problems

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Honk^away:

or maybe sshfs? :P

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mork:

what tricks mi even more is that the reciver is based on a loot of the work on dbox2

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Zider:

hmm, sshfs is probably least of a hassle to try :P

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Honk^away:

that's why i'm suggesting it

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Honk^away:

i'm using it for my connections too, cuz nfs doesnt work with fuse shares :/

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ivor:

mork: indeed myth wants to talk to a linuxtv driver. take a look at the dbox2 code/driver/wiki/etc to see what they do to link the dbox and myth.

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ivor:

(i.e. I have no idea)

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Zider:

Honk^away: nfs doesn't use fuse afaik?

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BULLE:

Zider: no it doesnt

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mork:

;) ... then your not alone ..

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mork:

second quis ;)

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Honk^away:

Zider: I use fuse ;)

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Honk^away:

unionfs-fuse

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mork:

just ordered a Hauppauge WinTV HVR-3000 .. is the does the lates tuner "switch" patch work under myth?

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Honk^away:

and i cannot export that with nfs

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mork:

it got 3 tuners but only one out put channel

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Zider:

Honk^away: mkay

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Honk^away:

though i prolly could use samba ;)

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Zider:

playing thru sshfs now.. so far so good..

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Juski:

oof.. dapper aint for that laptop

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Juski:

ivor: maybe the dbox2 code will help... it's pretty similar to the Dreambox

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ivor:

Juski: yeah that's what I said. :)

[21:05:07]

Juski:

oh aye

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Juski:

dreambox uses Neutrino doesn't it?

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Juski:

if so, should be doable

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Zider:

neutrino?

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mork:

Juski/ivor I think scripting controle on the dreambox is a quite easy task .. plain web gui

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mork:

just to hook up to the stream as a device would do a lot ;)

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Juski:

mork: I looked at the dbox2 code a long time ago.. seemed pretty straightforward apart from stuff it does with hashtables.. no idea what that's all about

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mork:

dreambox uses tuxbox as dbox2 but another front end .. in my cas gemin1/2

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ivor:

mork: do you code?

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Juski:

if the streaming method is the same, you might only need to change the http parsing

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Zider:

Honk^away: no errors so far :P

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mork:

well scripting yes .. object oriented .. hehe .. har for old dogs to learn

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mork:

hard

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Honk^away:

we told ya that samba sucks, didnt we? =)

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Juski:

mork: is the .m3u file just plain mpeg2 ts ?

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Zider:

Honk^away: it didn't suck before ;P

[21:08:31]

Juski:

I mean does it point at a ts ?

[21:08:40]

Honk^away:

it was always sucky, you just didnt notice =)

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achew22:

Myth has mouse support now, right?

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mork:

Juski,, yes but it also has the pids look att this example

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Juski:

achew22: sort of

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Zider:

Honk^away: pah

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mork:

http://192.168.2.122:31339/0,0102,0202,0290,0202

[21:09:27]

achew22:

Juski, why doesn't it work in watch tv and the plugins?

[21:09:35]

Honk^away:

well.. it's windows after all ;)

[21:09:37]

Juski:

mork: yeah but... the dbox2 code does pid filtering aswell

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Honk^away:

what do you expect? =9

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mork:

so its a http stram .. not rtp

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Zider:

Honk^away: how come the ws can play from the mythbox but not the other way around then? HUH?! ;)

[21:09:51]

Juski:

it's http in neutrino too

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mork:

got a link for the dbox code ?

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Juski:

which is why it's so fucking unreliable on the 'box2

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achew22:

Juski, .m3u files are playlists

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Honk^away:

cuz it's based on a (proprietary even?) ms protocol that's bound to cause undefined behaviour

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Juski:

httpd crashes a lot ;)

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Juski:

achew22: I know that

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achew22:

okay — just saying

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Juski:

achew22: mythtv isn't designed for mouse use, and support is still very limited

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achew22:

Juski, is it going to be implemented in the not so near future?

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Juski:

mork: dbox2rec.cpp in the source

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Zider:

Honk^away: no actually, samba is the free software implemetation of it :)

[21:11:28]

Juski:

achew22: don't know. don't care. I hates meeses to pieces

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Honk^away:

Zider: it's still the ms protocol

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mork:

thanks .-.. will take a quick look at it now ..

[21:11:38]

achew22:

you hate yourself?

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Honk^away:

no matter who implements it :]

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Juski:

achew22: mouse, on my couch.. no way no way

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Zider:

Honk^away: so? :)

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achew22:

Honk^away, CFS is a non proprietary standard, MS has a specific implementation that is a little different

[21:12:22]

Juski:

just use NFS & have done widdit

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BULLE:

CIFS !

[21:12:29]

Honk^away:

achew22: i see

[21:12:36]

Honk^away:

embrace and extend, huh? =)

[21:12:47]

achew22:

welcome to computers ;-)

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Zider:

"SMB was originally invented by Barry Feigenbaum at IBM to turn DOS "Interrupt 33" local file access into a networked file system"

[21:13:08]

Zider:

;)

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Honk^away:

no wonder it sucks :]

[21:13:35]

Juski:

I should pack

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achew22:

The moral of the story is that SMB is evil

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achew22:

Juski, where are you going?

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Zider:

well, I haven'? seen anything better yet

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Zider:

not that can do the same thing

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Honk^away:

Zider: nfs _is_ way better

[21:14:02]

Zider:

Honk^away: nfs is not the same thing by far

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achew22:

Zider, NFS rocks... so does AFS

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Paladine:

aaaaah

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achew22:

but I'm biased to AFS since my name is Andrew

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Honk^away:

what does smb do that nfs doesnt?

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Zider:

nfs doesn't share antyhing, it's point to point

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Paladine:

I accidentally starting typing whlst mythtv was the active window so it started recording the livetv, how the heck do I stop it

[21:14:40]

banyan:

has anyone else had issues with 0.20 and ivtv 0.8.0 and fc5 kernel 2.6.18–1.2200 and playback on PVR-350 taking like 50% of CPU time?

[21:14:42]

Honk^away:

Zider: huh?

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Zider:

and it's only filesystem

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Paladine:

if Itry and watch livetv now it says the tuner is being used to record

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Honk^away:

and.. huh? :P

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Zider:

Honk^away: as in workgroups?

[21:15:05]

Honk^away:

how exactly is smb not point to point?

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achew22:

Paladine, go to recorded programs and delete the purple recording that should be the show you were watching

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Zider:

the "network neighbourhood"

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banyan:

I know that is a lot of qualifiers. Don't know how many are relevant to the problem.

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Zider:

as MS calls it

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Honk^away:

Zider: that's still p2p

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Honk^away:

just with a list of shares

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Paladine:

k got it, I had to go into Delete Recordings menu

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Honk^away:

and i'm pretty sure that the windows nfs utility is capable of emulating that ;)

[21:15:49]

Zider:

Honk^away: in that case, everything on any network is p2p ;)

[21:16:04]

achew22:

windows can do NFS?!

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Zider:

achew22: barely

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achew22:

is it worth removing samba from the mix?

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Honk^away:

achew22: ms released some unix utils for that =)

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dtm:

achew22: haha i installed samba on windows

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dtm:

achew22: via cygwin

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scopeuk:

may i ask why?

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achew22:

dtm: genious

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Honk^away:

i didnt use it myself, but what i heard didnt sound all that bad

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scopeuk:

i know samba performs better native

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scopeuk:

but under a compatability layer?

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dtm:

achew22: yeah Windows XP Home blew up all its own sharing. and it's a Sony system so i have no reinstallation media, only reimaging.

[21:17:25]

Zider:

I got better performace woth samba than with nfs last I compared

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achew22:

dtm, sweet

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banyan:

I've never had horrible messed-up nasty corruptions occur on nfs writing in linux but supposedly it's a risk.

[21:17:33]

dtm:

achew22: so you can run a pdc on windows95 ;) hahaha

[21:18:09]

Honk^away:

Zider: your network is seriously messed up anyway :P

[21:18:15]

Honk^away:

nfs is usually faster than samba =)

[21:18:21]

Honk^away:

or.. maybe not :]

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Honk^away:

ftp? *g*

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achew22:

Zider, thats very strange

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achew22:

Zider, what kind of network T1000?

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** scopeuk notes that any protacal si faster than the bs network the uni has installed **

[21:18:54]

Zider:

achew22: TP 10/100

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dtm:

ok guys i am running 'sudo /etc/rc.d/init.d/mythbackend' and it is not using the settings from ~dtm/.mythtv/mysql.txt ... where else would it use?

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Honk^away:

achew22: he's on some network that does only 5mb/s ;)

[21:19:10]

achew22:

lol

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banyan:

oh, crap, I'm thinking ntfs. never mind!

[21:19:23]

achew22:

Honk^away, he is on 802.11.crap

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Zider:

Honk^away: this was before that

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opello:

token ring!

[21:19:38]

opello:

*hides*

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scopeuk:

tr ftw

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achew22:

I remember my token ring

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dtm:

isn't there a place to set a systemwide mysql.txt ?

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scopeuk:

we dotn wanna know abotu you and your "token ring"

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scopeuk:

;-)

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achew22:

dtm /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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Zider:

Honk^away: when I compared I had full 100Mbit speed

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Honk^away:

Zider: heh =)

[21:21:22]

achew22:

anyone know any good ways to get out of verizon's contract?

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timekllr:

anyone know if there is a way to specify the spacing between buttons when creating a theme ?

[21:22:01]

timekllr:

i know how to turn spacing on and off, but I want to increase the distance

[21:22:04]

Juski:

achew22: www.linuxworldexpo.co.uk, promoting MythTV

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dtm:

achew22: that doesn't seem to be working either.

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dtm:

achew22: it's trying to connect to localhost rather than its ethernet based address

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achew22:

weird

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dtm:

but mythtv-setup is correct because i run it as dtm

[21:23:05]

mork:

hmmh ... some havdeasent in c would be able to make some changes on dbox2 to make it work more generic

[21:23:21]

mork:

half desent

[21:23:29]

achew22:

dtm, try doing a symbolic link to each .mythtv its the easiest way to do it

[21:23:36]

Kelerion:

spreading the word Juski ? :)

[21:23:37]

banyan:

anyone having high-CPU usage on PVR-350 playback?

[21:23:48]

achew22:

Juski, I've already converted

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** Kelerion chuckles **

[21:24:07]

achew22:

Juski, do you have a link to the article?

[21:24:21]

Juski:

what article?

[21:24:26]

Kelerion:

Juski, any preference on theme? *grins knowing he might be biased*

[21:24:33]

achew22:

linuxworld?

[21:24:36]

Juski:

Kelerion: nah. none whatsoever

[21:24:42]

** Kelerion laughs **

[21:24:44]

Kelerion:

right.. lol

[21:24:45]

Juski:

achew22: it's not a magazine

[21:24:46]

dtm:

achew22: negative

[21:25:07]

achew22:

what?

[21:25:12]

achew22:

i'm very confused now

[21:25:20]

Juski:

http://www.linuxworldexpo.co.uk/page.cfm/acti . . . xhibID=00097

[21:25:24]

achew22:

ohh

[21:25:24]

Kelerion:

achew22, don't worry... thats permanent state of mind for me :)

[21:25:26]

achew22:

nevermind i'm dumb

[21:25:31]

Juski:

yup

[21:25:47]

dtm:

achew22: but if i run it as 'sudo /usr/local/bin/mythbackend' then it works.

[21:25:57]

Juski:

now wtf is my phone chargay?

[21:26:01]

achew22:

dtm, is the file in your /root/.mythtv?

[21:26:48]

achew22:

Juski, did you make Project Greyhem?

[21:26:50]

Juski:

aha!

[21:27:06]

Juski:

achew22: no, I created a script to randomly generate xml files & png files

[21:27:07]

achew22:

who made those origional images?

[21:27:26]

Juski:

I made most of them

[21:27:31]

achew22:

your not the first to "come up with" that theme

[21:27:38]

achew22:

its on XBMC so who came up with it first

[21:27:49]

Juski:

I nicked some from chokemaniac, and he's credited

[21:28:02]

Juski:

and I have his blessing

[21:28:07]

achew22:

i've been wondering since I got XBMC

[21:28:11]

Juski:

so never mind trying to piss on my bonfire

[21:28:13]

achew22:

Juski, so long as you do

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achew22:

Juski, are you going to get it put in myththemes?

[21:28:35]

Juski:

maybe

[21:28:40]

Juski:

it's huge though

[21:28:51]

Juski:

I'm not really bothered tbh

[21:28:56]

achew22:

how big?

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Kelerion:

it's linked from mythtv.org wiki...so not really important it's in myththemes

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achew22:

damn 8mb... what is the highest resolution you can get?

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Juski:

achew22: they're about 8 megs each

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Juski:

800x600 for the 4:3 theme and 1280x720 for the wide one

[21:31:09]

Juski:

I could say it's because I'm not a lazy theme designer & I customised a hell of a lot more than some, but I'd not

[21:31:26]

Juski:

cos I _am_ lazy.. I just customised it more than other themes

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achew22:

by the way on your mythtvtalk you have a typo on Unpack the tarball with: tar -xvjpf Project-Grayhem-foo.bz2 there is no – between PRoject and Greyhem

[21:31:51]

Juski:

the mythtv talk section for the theme is deprecated

[21:32:04]

Juski:

www.juski.co.uk/pg

[21:32:09]

achew22:

ah

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Juski:

and that foo filename is an example

[21:32:32]

Juski:

jesus christ you're picky

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Kelerion:

Juski, he's picky isn't he???

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** Kelerion laughs **

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scopeuk:

Juski you cant remember when you were green can you?

[21:32:56]

Juski:

you'll be asking for your bloody money back next...

[21:33:10]

Juski:

;-)

[21:33:11]

achew22:

no — I want you to pay me ;-)

[21:33:25]

Juski:

GFYS

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Zider:

I'm still having problems with text sizes btw.. some texts seems to change size depending on the DPI value from X, but only between humongous or tiny size :P

[21:33:29]

Juski:

;)

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Kelerion:

lmao

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achew22:

Juski, why did it get smaller between 1.8 and 2.0?

[21:34:43]

Juski:

Zider DPI should be 100

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Juski:

achew22: I optimised it some

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achew22:

how do you optomize a theme?

[21:35:17]

Juski:

more graphics commonality – that's how

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achew22:

oh

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Zider:

Juski: then it flips to "humongous"

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Zider:

Juski: shouldn't DPI be depending on screen size btw?

[21:35:48]

Juski:

Zider: the xml files are where text sizes are defined

[21:35:54]

Juski:

and no you can _force_ DPI

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Zider:

I know I CAN

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Juski:

you _should_.. mythtv needs 100 DPI for stuff to look right. IIRC someone has/is investigating/ed making it more relaxed about that

[21:37:29]

Zider:

if I have it set to 100 the size is totally wrong.. and there's no middle-size, only 5mm high or 2dm high text.. :P

[21:37:36]

Zider:

but I'll check the cml files

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Zider:

xml

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Juski:

could be you don't have the right fonts installed too

[21:38:15]

Zider:

which should I have then?

[21:38:19]

Juski:

qt makes substitutions if you don't

[21:38:25]

Juski:

depends on the theme

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Zider:

yours :P

[21:38:38]

Zider:

ofcourse

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Juski:

for projectgrayhem it tells you in the README file

[21:38:44]

Juski:

.. which you read, of course

[21:38:49]

Zider:

naturally

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achew22:

Juski, readmes are for losers

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** Juski laughs **

[21:39:41]

Juski:

of course they are. course they are

[21:40:01]

Zider:

I have vera, speedo, type1, freetype and all that jazz

[21:40:05]

Juski:

well when Mind::reader becomes available I'll use it

[21:40:33]

Juski:

Zider: what res are you running at?

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scopeuk:

when mind::reader becomes avaliable there will be no need for software devs

[21:40:43]

Zider:

Juski: 800x600

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scopeuk:

becosue no one will have neoug hfree tiem wit hall the "picutres" on there displays

[21:40:49]

Juski:

and what does X report the DPI to be? (xdpyinfo |grep dots)

[21:41:12]

** BULLE bets on 72 **

[21:41:13]

Juski:

saw a cool remote on 'Click' on saturday

[21:41:20]

Juski:

it has ONE button

[21:41:27]

Juski:

seriously

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Kelerion:

it reads you mind and figures out what you want to do?

[21:41:37]

Juski:

you press the button & use the remote as a pointer

[21:41:48]

Juski:

allows you to drag & drop & all sorts

[21:41:55]

BULLE:

Juski: sounds just like the wii remote controller

[21:42:04]

Juski:

the UI they showed on it looked pretty damn spiffy too

[21:42:21]

clop:

is mythbackend the same as the master server? (i will only have one input card...)

[21:42:25]

Kelerion:

I missed it on Sat... might watch it tonight instead

[21:42:29]

Juski:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/

[21:42:56]

Juski:

clop: if it's all in the same box, yes.. as it says in the explanatory text on that setup screen in mythtv-setup

[21:43:17]

dtm:

achew22: whoops i made a typo. thanks

[21:43:19]

achew22:

clop, mythbackend can be the master but if you only have 1 card yes it is

[21:43:30]

achew22:

dtm, what did I help you with?

[21:43:40]

dtm:

achew22: location of mysql.txt for root

[21:43:41]

achew22:

I have the memory span of a gold fish

[21:43:45]

achew22:

ohh

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achew22:

welcome

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dtm:

:-.

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scopeuk:

achew22 wish i had the memory span of a gold fish whould make life much more pleasent

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Zider:

Juski: right now I have 76x76.. and I've tried 100x100, 125x169 and 30x40 (calculated by diffenrent DisplaySize :P )

[21:45:03]

achew22:

scopeuk, its great untill your gf has a birthday

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scopeuk:

achew22 not a problem atm

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scopeuk:

theres a few things ve done that i whoudlent mind forgetting

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clop:

ok, i am just trying to get it set up for the first time... when i run "mythbackend", it says, "could not get inputs for capturecard, perhaps you have forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs?"

[21:46:20]

dtm:

i have an error that i guess is somehow related to ffmpeg --> ../../libs/libavcodec/libmythavcodec-0.20.so: undefined reference to `ff_pre_estimate_p_frame_motion'

[21:46:22]

Juski:

for those who believe in web 2.0 ... http://digg.com/linux_unix/MythTV_exhibiting_ . . . h_October_06

[21:46:24]

achew22:

scopeuk, I have scars to remind me of those things

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dtm:

am i missing a dep?

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scopeuk:

achew22 theres 50 miles in the way of that or atleast there were at the time

[21:47:54]

Juski:

scopeuk: thats what the rest of us use alcohol for

[21:48:10]

scopeuk:

yeh all i get for my trubble with alcohol is a bad head

[21:48:27]

banyan:

Does anyone use a pvr-350 for playback in here?

[21:48:43]

Juski:

I never used to believe in memory loss... til I heard about the time I ran around Cardiff city centre without any trousers on

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BULLE:

hehe

[21:49:01]

dtm:

:-I

[21:49:05]

scopeuk:

*grin*

[21:49:13]

scopeuk:

orshould that be *roll eyes*

[21:49:29]

BULLE:

Juski: ist a convenient thing to claim isnt it, memory loss due to alcohol

[21:49:36]

Juski:

I wasn't even a student then so I had no excuse other than Brains S.A.

[21:50:08]

Juski:

BULLE: that's what I used to say til I experienced it. it's _so_ big & clever here in the UK

[21:50:10]

dtm:

i have ffmpeg installed

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Juski:

dtm: ffmpeg-dev ?

[21:50:21]

dtm:

what else does libmythavcodec require?

[21:50:41]

dtm:

Juski: stand by

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banyan:

weed out the weak brain cells by killing them with alcohol.

[21:50:53]

Juski:

oh good. my train tickets have shown up at last

[21:51:12]

Juski:

tidying up is BAD

[21:51:22]

BULLE:

Juski: im scandinavian

[21:51:34]

Zider:

Juski: slap me around with a large trout.. I forgot to add the bloody font to xorg.conf.. *ashamed*

[21:51:39]

BULLE:

Juski: having memory blackouts after an evenings partying is perfectly normal around here

[21:52:06]

Juski:

!trout Zider font-install

[21:52:06]

** MythLogBot slaps Zider with a font-install trout on behalf of Juski... **

[21:52:26]

scopeuk:

!trout trout trout

[21:52:26]

** MythLogBot slaps trout with a trout trout on behalf of scopeuk... **

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Juski:

maybe that should've been a Bitstream-Vera trout...

[21:52:46]

scopeuk:

maby i should get a life

[21:52:46]

Juski:

!trout trout letitallout

[21:52:46]

** MythLogBot slaps trout with a letitallout trout on behalf of Juski... **

[21:52:49]

scopeuk:

but it aint gonan happen

[21:52:50]

Zider:

or an xorg.conf trout :P

[21:52:58]

achew22:

damn xorg.conf

[21:53:08]

banyan:

how about a pvr-350 trout?

[21:53:11]

BULLE:

!trout Zider <trout><

[21:53:11]

** MythLogBot slaps Zider with a <trout>< trout on behalf of BULLE... **

[21:53:26]

** Juski ducks out of the troutfest. could get smelly **

[21:53:27]

scopeuk:

see what you've done juski?

[21:53:30]

achew22:

did anyone have issues with alsa-conf when they did it the first time? was that just me?

[21:53:53]

BULLE:

achew22: hmm, nowadays configuring alsa should just be a matter of loading the correct module, right ?

[21:54:07]

BULLE:

atleast that is what the alsa documentation tricks me into beliving

[21:54:10]

achew22:

BULLE, usualy

[21:54:24]

achew22:

BULLE, or installing a live cd which will usualy do it for you

[21:55:41]

achew22:

is there an ebuild for mythtv .20?

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** scopeuk ponders how rediculose it its a tv series costs more than a dvd burner **

[21:56:23]

dtm:

Juski: yes i do have ffmpeg-devel

[21:56:32]

banyan:

Car costs $60K. Printing press costs $30K...

[21:57:04]

dtm:

Juski: and i have ffmpeg svn also

[21:57:17]

scopeuk:

banyan dont know what car you have but mine cost less than $200

[21:57:19]

dtm:

Juski: so what else could be needed?

[21:57:36]

scopeuk:

[21:57:38]

gardengnome:

scopeuk: what scale?

[21:57:52]

scopeuk:

gardengnome 1:1

[21:58:03]

gardengnome:

scopeuk: not bad

[21:58:10]

scopeuk:

even came with an engine and an mot

[21:58:19]

scopeuk:

for the uninitiated that means it wont kil you if you use it

[21:58:20]

gardengnome:

i was just gonna ask about that. ;)

[21:58:44]

Juski:

an MOT cert. is no guarantee of roadworthiness

[21:58:57]

scopeuk:

a 2 week old one is

[21:59:02]

Juski:

heh maybe

[21:59:44]

** Juski practices yelling "roll up, roll up.. get your MythTV case badges here! Only one pound, that's right..." **

[22:00:07]

Juski:

mmmm beer kitty :)

[22:00:22]

scopeuk:

lol

[22:00:59]

achew22:

is there a way to get a specific revision off of svn?

[22:01:08]

Juski:

like hello kitty but for alcohol dependent linux users

[22:01:26]

achew22:

wow I need to read the rest of this conversation

[22:01:30]

Juski:

achew22: svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/foo/bar/revision

[22:01:38]

scopeuk:

achew22 you sure about that?

[22:01:38]

achew22:

thx

[22:01:51]

achew22:

scopeuk, not at all

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Juski:

something _like_ that

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achew22:

Juski, I don't know it says foo in the name ;-)

[22:02:27]

** scopeuk finds some money heed forgoten about :-) **

[22:02:41]

dtm:

Juski: are there any deps for libavcodec other than ffmpeg?

[22:03:12]

Juski:

dtm: no idea. I usually just do apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins

[22:03:21]

dtm:

Juski: oic

[22:03:42]

** dtm rtfm **

[22:03:53]

Juski:

helps to have a deb src line in /etc/apt/sources.list though, pointing at the right place

[22:04:09]

gardengnome:

dtm: mythtv already ships with ffmpeg and friends

[22:04:35]

dtm:

:-o

[22:04:40]

Juski:

right.. bedtime. won't see you tomorrow, or the day after, or the day after that

[22:04:50]

dtm:

gardengnome: well then what's the problem? ../../libs/libavcodec/libmythavcodec-0.20.so: undefined reference to `ff_pre_estimate_p_frame_motion'

[22:04:53]

Juski:

have fun y'all!

[22:04:55]

dtm:

gardengnome: and a crapload of other ones

[22:04:59]

gardengnome:

dtm: dunno. try a make distclean? :)

[22:05:05]

dtm:

:-o

[22:05:07]

gardengnome:

Juski: have fun! and some booze.. ;)

[22:05:32]

Juski:

see you at the linuxworld expo at Olympia2, London Oct25–26th, stand OV16

[22:05:39]

Juski:

cheers gardengnome :)

[22:05:44]

Juski:

byee!

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dtm:

gardengnome: it's almost acting like it can't find ffmpeg.

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gardengnome:

dtm: you don't need to install ffmpeg, that's all i can say :)

[22:07:09]

** scopeuk ponders why there is so little good uk tv **

[22:07:15]

dtm:

gardengnome: yeah.

[22:07:24]

RaYmAn-Bx:

scopeuk: at least there is some!

[22:07:34]

scopeuk:

spooks hustle

[22:07:37]

scopeuk:

that about covers it

[22:07:41]

RaYmAn-Bx:

Doctor Who

[22:07:46]

scopeuk:

in diferent

[22:07:47]

RaYmAn-Bx:

Torchwood seems fairly nice as well

[22:08:07]

scopeuk:

maby im jsut to much of a sifi fan to enjoy the bs one has to endure in the uk

[22:08:34]

RaYmAn-Bx:

you get a lot better stuff in UK than we get in DK :/

[22:08:39]

scopeuk:

much rarther have blade the series stargate numbers and supernatural

[22:08:51]

scopeuk:

RaYmAn-Bx possibly

[22:09:02]

RaYmAn-Bx:

blade is supposedly quite bad

[22:09:07]

scopeuk:

just wish my damn net was quicker so i could get into the stuff stored at home

[22:09:11]

scopeuk:

RaYmAn-Bx i read good

[22:09:13]

** kormoc is sad at stargate sg1 being canceled for ECW **

[22:09:14]

scopeuk:

havent seen ti yet

[22:09:22]

scopeuk:

kormoc your not the onyl one

[22:09:27]

scopeuk:

sg1 endign at ep 13

[22:09:39]

scopeuk:

with 11 12 and 13 being broud cast 10 weeks alte

[22:09:54]

scopeuk:

yet atlantis has had s4 brought for soem reason

[22:10:02]

RaYmAn-Bx:

wtf, it ends at ep 13?

[22:10:06]

scopeuk:

yup

[22:10:06]

RaYmAn-Bx:

not a full season? :(

[22:10:09]

scopeuk:

nope

[22:10:12]

RaYmAn-Bx:

damn

[22:10:18]

achew22:

okay — time for me to leave they are talking about SG1

[22:10:22]

scopeuk:

and tehre still elavign the damn 10 week gap in

[22:10:23]

kormoc:

Alantis still feels new, but not nearly as good as SG-1 is imho :/

[22:10:30]

scopeuk:

agread

[22:10:34]

Zider:

I thought they were gonna do the whole s10 at least

[22:10:40]

scopeuk:

achew22 oppinion now then its over with

[22:10:53]

** kormoc misses O'Neil. **

[22:11:01]

RaYmAn-Bx:

kormoc: it does seem a bit like they are running out of ideas already (in Atlantis)

[22:11:03]

achew22:

whatever — I'm leaving anyways... I found a magic shop nearby

[22:11:09]

RaYmAn-Bx:

I mean, honestly, replicators? Again???

[22:11:15]

kormoc:

RaYmAn-Bx, yeah...

[22:11:15]

scopeuk:

yeh

[22:11:17]

scopeuk:

pita

[22:11:19]

kormoc:

I wasn't much of a fan of that

[22:11:35]

scopeuk:

hang on a sec news site has updated

[22:11:36]

kormoc:

tho, I'm hopeing that they sorta mix alantas and SG1 together

[22:11:47]

kormoc:

so like, we'll still get the ORI story

[22:11:52]

kormoc:

rather then a quick ending to it

[22:12:00]

scopeuk:

nope outa date

[22:12:05]

RaYmAn-Bx:

and then the only bloody ancients not ascended gets killed

[22:12:06]

scopeuk:

oops misse the bit before thee add

[22:12:11]

Zider:

right now I'm mostly pissed about the season break :(

[22:12:23]

makomk:

Hmmm, that's odd... my attempts to change the recording priority of "8 Out of 10 Cats" in Mythweb aren't having any effect (and it's not showing up in MythWeb's list of recording schedules). Perhaps I need to upgrade to a newer 0.20-fixes?

[22:12:44]

scopeuk:

Zider not the only one

[22:12:57]

scopeuk:

http://www.tv.com/story/story.html&story_ . . . ults;title;4

[22:13:12]

** scopeuk realises he probably shouldent have ad mited to havign see neps 1 – 10 **

[22:13:22]

Zider:

scopeuk: I've started wathing thru the series from s1 now while waiting for'em to keep going ;)

[22:13:43]

scopeuk:

Zider soudns like a plan i should invest

[22:13:50]

scopeuk:

have a bit to much freetime that needs slaying

[22:13:54]

Zider:

who says they're gonna end with ep13 btw?

[22:14:01]

scopeuk:

Zider see article

[22:14:10]

scopeuk:

the 3 remaining episodes will be aired in 2007

[22:14:15]

scopeuk:

http://www.tv.com/story/story.html&story_ . . . ults;title;4

[22:14:16]

Zider:

gateworld lists upto ep20

[22:14:21]

scopeuk:

does it?

[22:14:28]

Zider:

yes

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scopeuk:

http://www.savestargatesg1.com/

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Zider:

yeah I read about the movies :)

[22:17:16]

RaYmAn-Bx:

bad at names. Sgt. Walter is the radar tribute, isn't he?

[22:17:32]

RaYmAn-Bx:

(radar from M.A.S.H.)

[22:17:38]

scopeuk:

walter is the tech wit hthe glasses always i nthe control room

[22:17:49]

** scopeuk doesent remember mash **

[22:18:02]

scopeuk:

is it jsut me or did the 200th episode suck ass

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RaYmAn-Bx:

yep, that's radar-copy.

[22:18:21]

Zider:

RaYmAn-Bx: you can check out all the characters at gateworld.net, they have a huge database

[22:18:29]

scopeuk:

[22:18:36]

Zider:

scopeuk: ep 200 was hilarious :D

[22:18:53]

RaYmAn-Bx:

it was a bit ridiculous, but still fairly funny

[22:18:56]

scopeuk:

it was shoe horned into a gap between two plot intensive episodes though

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scopeuk:

and Zider some of it was very funney

[22:19:16]

Zider:

loved the puppet show ;D

[22:19:29]

scopeuk:

lol

[22:19:47]

scopeuk:

and goign to the parralel chars from worm hole x on the can you belive it made 10 years thing

[22:19:50]

scopeuk:

so cheesy

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scopeuk:

[22:20:39]

Zider:

hehe

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achew22:

can Jack pipe sound through to another computer?

[22:20:54]

RaYmAn-Bx:

the puppet show was so..british or something..those british puppet scifi series, heh.

[22:21:15]

banyan:

anyone with current packages who uses pvr-350 playback and isn't having high CPU usage issues?

[22:21:46]

scopeuk:

RaYmAn-Bx oh you mean liek thunderbirds

[22:21:54]

scopeuk:

bout only british pupet scifi i know of

[22:22:06]

scopeuk:

and dotn even think of tryignto stick us with that travest team ammerica

[22:22:08]

RaYmAn-Bx:

there is some other thing as well

[22:22:15]

scopeuk:

stingray?

[22:22:17]

Zider:

team america rocked :D

[22:22:29]

banyan:

that was pee yr pants funny.

[22:22:31]

scopeuk:

it was so crap tis unreal

[22:22:53]

banyan:

If it were done 'better', it wouldn't work.

[22:22:55]

Zider:

well, the south park guys made it, what do you expect? ;)

[22:23:10]

scopeuk:

yeh but south park is quite funney

[22:23:18]

Zider:

no

[22:23:19]

Zider:

:P

[22:23:26]

banyan:

me gusta south park.

[22:23:30]

Zider:

only timmy and jimmy are funny there..

[22:23:35]

Zider:

and chef

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banyan:

timmeh!

[22:23:48]

Zider:

timmeeeyh!

[22:23:56]

Zider:

and the lords of the underground!

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banyan:

darkness fills my heart with pain, yeah! timmiheyea!

[22:25:29]

banyan:

so I'm the only guy having a cpu usage issue with pvr-350 playback?

[22:25:53]

RaYmAn-Bx:

gee, way to go on-topic in the middle of an important off-topic discussion! ;)

[22:26:10]

banyan:

wow, what a gr-gr-great audience.

[22:26:15]

Zider:

"gee I feel a little guilty now"

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clop:

so mythtv is working on my x desktop now! but it doesn't seem to show up on the s-video output from the pvr-350 card, is there some trick to enabling that?

[22:27:15]

** scopeuk tries to resits the urge to sugest sacrificing a goat **

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banyan:

yep, you have to check a box in the setup to send the output to the 350.

[22:27:53]

banyan:

It just works. Except I am bursting with curiosity to see how much cpu clop sees used.

[22:27:53]

clop:

ok great, i'll try to go find that :)

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banyan:

It's under TV / Playback.

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clop:

ah well, i bet when it displays to x it'll kill me

[22:28:14]

clop:

i have a terrible video card

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banyan:

terrible, muriel!

[22:28:34]

clop:

in the mythtv-setup program?

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banyan:

No, just in Utilities / Setup in the frontend.

[22:29:06]

banyan:

THen TV options / then playback options.

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clop:

will it be /dev/video16?

[22:31:36]

banyan:

Yep.

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banyan:

The defaults should be correct.

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rentaVaixells:

hi

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rentaVaixells:

I'm having problems searching channels

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rentaVaixells:

anyone can helpme, please?

[22:33:39]

rentaVaixells:

this is my error: DVB#0 WARNING – Status: NO LOCK!

[22:34:36]

rentaVaixells:

hey!

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banyan:

Hmm, is this an issue in the program schedule?

[22:36:22]

banyan:

have you done a schedule fetch?

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clop2:

huzzah

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clop2:

looks like that locked my computer up pretty solidly :)

[22:36:57]

banyan:

what processor?

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banyan:

p4 3 GHz, P1, 90 MHz?

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clop2:

uh, dual core p4 i think

[22:37:13]

clop2:

2800 or so

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banyan:

wow.

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dtm:

clop2: :[

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banyan:

Do you think it was due to a module crash, or kernel panic, or was it just busy?

[22:38:40]

clop2:

ea

[22:38:42]

clop2:

no idea

[22:38:50]

clop2:

i had to power cycle it

[22:38:55]

clop2:

it wouldnt' respond to ssh

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banyan:

You'll have to check your /var/log/messages.

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banyan:

see what happened.

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FunkyELF:

hey guys, what happened to nuvexport?...didn't it used to have a mpeg cut option?

[22:42:09]

banyan:

It took soooooo long, I stopped using it a long time ago.

[22:42:10]

BULLE:

it used to honour the cutlist

[22:42:14]

BULLE:

atleast

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clop:

hrmn, i found the "syslog restart" message

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FunkyELF:

what took so long?

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banyan:

the transcode.

[22:43:31]

FunkyELF:

i tought it was instant

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FunkyELF:

...when I used it at least

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clop:

http://pastebin.ca/217970

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D-side:

transcode? instant?

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scopeuk:

FunkyELF how many systems are there in your cluster? ;-)

[22:45:20]

rentaVaixells:

well

[22:45:24]

rentaVaixells:

this is on setup

[22:45:28]

rentaVaixells:

no on schedule

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gardengnome:

FunkyELF: mythtv 0.19 and up can cut mpeg2 natively

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rentaVaixells:

this is my error: DVB#0 WARNING – Status: NO LOCK!

[22:46:40]

FunkyELF:

gardengnome, how?

[22:46:55]

FunkyELF:

gardengnome, where rather

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gardengnome:

FunkyELF: it's a special case of transcoding. set up your transcoding profile and just select "lossless" there

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rentaVaixells:

can anybody lend me a hand here?

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FunkyELF:

gardengnome, then that just cuts the commercials if it has a cut list?

[22:48:25]

FunkyELF:

but didnt nuvexport have that option at one point too?

[22:48:55]

gardengnome:

FunkyELF: yep. it may have some problems, though. in case you're worried about your recordings, you can tell the backend to make a backup copy of them before transcoding. it's in the first step in mythtv-setup

[22:49:22]

gardengnome:

FunkyELF: yep, i think so. suppose it got dropped when the lossless mpeg2 transcoder got introduced in mytht

[22:49:35]

scopeuk:

rentaVaixells thats a signal problem or you have your frequency table set wrogn iirc

[22:49:52]

rentaVaixells:

how can I set this frq table?

[22:49:59]

scopeuk:

any way i gotta go

[22:50:02]

scopeuk:

bed callign and all that

[22:50:06]

FunkyELF:

gardengnome, do you know if myth can transcode to xvid or do you still have to use nuvexport to do that?

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BULLE:

xvid is just mpeg4, so just choose mpeg4 in the transcode settings ?

[22:50:50]

rentaVaixells:

scopeuk: is on mysql??

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Zider:

xvid is mpeg4 and then some.. :P

[22:51:11]

rentaVaixells:

I'm getting signal OK with mplayer

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FunkyELF:

what would be really nice is to have myth generate flash or whatever that is so that in mythweb you could stream your videos

[22:51:46]

gardengnome:

if you tell mythtv to transcode to mpeg4, the resulting file will be stored in a nuppelvideo container. and they're not that common, so it's pretty much useless for anything for anything but archivel withing mythtv

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Zider:

no flash! eeeewww :P

[22:51:52]

gardengnome:

s/archivel/archiving/

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gardengnome:

FunkyELF: i think xris and kormoc were working on something like that

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dtm:

FunkyELF: or it could just stream them as they are, because that works already.

[22:55:15]

dtm:

gardengnome: i thought it was an avi whose filename is '.nuv'

[22:55:18]

dtm:

gardengnome: but ok

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dtm:

gardengnome: are you sure?

[22:55:26]

banyan:

so, clop, it seems like your machine just gummed up sometime after allocating the DMA decoder stream?

[22:55:36]

banyan:

or was it when you tried to play?

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GreyFoxx:

dtm: Not, a nuv file and avi are different, not just in the name :)

[22:56:39]

banyan:

and an nuv isn't quite an mpg either.

[22:56:59]

gardengnome:

dtm: yep. maybe beirdo's nuv2avi is for you, but i think it's alpha or beta code

[22:57:02]

clop:

it seems to be wroking fine now

[22:57:02]

GreyFoxx:

it is if you are using a reallyold version of myth

[22:57:07]

clop:

im not sure why it screwed up earlier

[22:57:19]

clop:

if i used the "standard encoder" will it be using the hardware one?

[22:57:22]

banyan:

does it work now?

[22:57:28]

clop:

yeah it's going to the tv great

[22:57:31]

clop:

the sound even is nice

[22:57:35]

banyan:

What's your cpu usage?

[22:57:35]

clop:

(the sound on the computer was crappy)

[22:57:45]

clop:

just around 40%

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banyan:

It's hard to beat the playback quality.

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banyan:

see, that's too damn high. Before I upgraded to 2.6.18–1.2200.fc5 kernel, I couldn't even see CPU usage on my p4 2.5 GHz.

[22:58:42]

clop:

ah

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clop:

i wonder if it's not using the right encoder

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clop:

or something

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banyan:

mine does the same thing tho.

[22:59:09]

banyan:

Is your kernel 2.6.18?

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clop:

2.6.15-23–386

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clop:

#1 PREEMPT

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clop:

whatever that means

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banyan:

preemptive multitasking patch.

[22:59:53]

banyan:

I expect.

[23:00:02]

banyan:

2.6.15 huh? that's ollllld.

[23:00:17]

GreyFoxx:

hehe my master backend/main frontend are2.6.12.5 :)

[23:00:18]

banyan:

ivtv version?

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dtm:

GreyFoxx: oic i thought i read that nuv was entirely deprecated and now just a naming convention. oh well!

[23:00:52]

clop:

ivtv 0.47 i think

[23:00:57]

clop:

i just was using the ubuntu kernel

[23:01:02]

banyan:

I'm afraid of having to do 1000 package updates when I finally try to get up to speed.

[23:01:28]

banyan:

So I do regular yum updates and I only deal with the problems (such as they are) a few at a time.

[23:01:48]

banyan:

which, right now, ain't workin' out great for me.

[23:02:12]

Kelerion:

ahh crap.. missed Juski...

[23:02:28]

GreyFoxx:

dtm: At one point in time when recording mpg (pvr card, dvb etc) it would be named .nuv even thoughit was a mpeg file. But it no longer does that. Software encoding to mpeg4 or rtjpeg is still in the nuv format though

[23:02:30]

banyan:

I don't even know how to get you to check your ivtv version.

[23:02:48]

clop:

can you make the mythfrontend talk to your tv instead of your screen?

[23:03:07]

GreyFoxx:

clop: That's what a video card with tv out is for :)

[23:03:09]

banyan:

you can... if you use the ivtv X server.

[23:03:09]

dtm:

GreyFoxx: aha.

[23:03:13]

banyan:

I think.

[23:03:13]

dtm:

GreyFoxx: that's what i read.

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Kelerion:

GreyFoxx, if you were plugging a dvd or a camera into a mythbox with a pvr250... after a frest install... can you think of anything else I'd need?

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banyan:

I still use ivtv_fb.

[23:03:43]

banyan:

ooh! maybe that's my issue.

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Kelerion:

apart from a fake epg

[23:04:10]

banyan:

a faberge epg?

[23:04:53]

GreyFoxx:

that's about it

[23:05:06]

GreyFoxx:

redoing the security cam thing ?

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banyan:

clop: can you check in your /var/log/messages (or whatever gentoo uses) for the ivtv version?

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rentaVaixells:

this is my error: DVB#0 WARNING – Status: NO LOCK!

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Kelerion:

getting ready for the expo tomorrow

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rentaVaixells:

can anyone helpme here?

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clop:

i'm using ivtv 0.47, i built it from source

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rentaVaixells:

mplayer works..

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rentaVaixells:

mythtv doesn't find any channels.. :(

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Kelerion:

am reinstalling a BE/FE.. want to make sure I have everything I'll need tomorrow... we're not gonna have internet access there

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clop:

GreyFoxx, if i don't have a tv-out video card can is there any other way to put the menu on the tv?

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GreyFoxx:

clop: What kind of capture card do you have ?

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banyan:

my ivtv comes up as 0.8.0...

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clop:

pvr-350

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banyan:

I have no idea how to reconcile this with a 0.47 version.

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clop:

i think it just said to use 0.47 for the kernel i was on

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clop:

it said new users should use the more recent versions

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clop:

er, newer kernel users

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GreyFoxx:

clop: Ok, then you can use the TV out for the 350, Or a video card with TVout

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banyan:

ah. could be.

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banyan:

I don't know how that x driver works.

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GreyFoxx:

You;'d have to find info on configuring the 350. I've only ever configured one of them and it was a long time ago

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clop:

aah ok

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clop:

maybe i can just find it in the options somewehre

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banyan:

I believe it's supposed to replace the framebuffer...

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banyan:

hey, clop, if you lsmod | grep ivtv_osd, do you get an ivtv_osd module?

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banyan:

or an ivtv_fb?

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clop:

ivtv_fb

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clop:

but i only just added that

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banyan:

I run everything but the playback on the computer monitor.

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clop:

when i told it to use the video output there

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clop:

onto the tv instead of the screen

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clop:

it said i needed to add it then

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banyan:

so you had the large cpu usage before you added this?

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clop:

i didnt even check before then

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clop:

before then i didn't have the display on my tv

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clop:

it was just on the monitor

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clop:

and my video card is really bad so it woudl probably be terrible

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banyan:

It could be just that I haven't properly migrated forward my installation.

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banyan:

I may have to solicit some ideas on the ivtv-users list.

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banyan:

it must be bad, because as a monitor, most tvs blow — you can only really get 640x480.

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banyan:

pardon my technospeak ("blow")

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rentaVaixells:

ok, so I have to put the settings manually :((

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banyan:

You should see very low CPU usage tho.

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aboutblank:

can someone please explain to me how the transcoding options listed in "job options" under a recording (default, autodetect,hi,med,low) relate to the "recording profiles – transcoders" (autodetect from RTJpeg/MPEG4, autodetect from MPEG2,hi,med,low)

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aboutblank:

for instance, i have an mpeg2 encoded stream, if i want to encode it to MPEG4, do i select "autodetect" or what do i do?

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clop:

banyan, when i turn off the front end, but i am still recording, it is only using 1% of my cpu

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clop:

that seems really strange, i don't know why the frontend would use anything at all when displaying to the tv

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clop:

i mean, that should just be sending a hardware signal somewhere i would think

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clop:

so do i have to assign these "XMLTV IDs" to each channel in order to get listings?

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clop:

how do you figure out what id a channel should have

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cornell:

Hello again... just checking... I can stop the backend with /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop. Should it start with /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start ?

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aboutblank:

cornell: Yep.

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Zider:

damn nfs.. :P

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cornell:

mmmm... I keep getting an error, about...... unable to set initgroups() with gid

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cornell:

Do I need to be root?

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clop:

oh, i see the program guide now but it has no programs listed

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aboutblank:

cornell:I think so.

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cornell:

K

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cornell:

One last question, I hope. I'd setup mythtv before. And I could see the channel names and numbers. I had to re-install, and now, I can only see numbers. What do I have to set to see names also, I can't seem to find it?

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aboutblank:

cornell: are you in US or Europe or where?

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cornell:

Sorry, used to talking to folks in PA... US, with Zap2It

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aboutblank:

cornell: mythtv-setup, 3. Video sources

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aboutblank:

you have to setup a new source, and put in your username/pass for the channel lineup

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aboutblank:

and program information

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ssstormy:

hello, I've had mythtv working for a while now, but there's one nagging issue; my computer records with 2200KBp/s MPEG4, which the configuration wizard claims will result in ~1GB per hour

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ssstormy:

unfortunatly, I get closer to 2GB per hour. this is a big difference when I have at least a day's worth of TV recorded

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aboutblank:

ssstormy: check the default recording profile?

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cornell:

aboutblank, I've already got my Zap2It in video sources

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ssstormy:

exactly. it's set to 2200 (or was, I just changed it to 2000)

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aboutblank:

cornell: press the "get channels" or whatever?

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cornell:

Retrieve lineups?

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aboutblank:

yeah

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aboutblank:

it'll take a bit

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cornell:

K, done

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aboutblank:

or not

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** cornell grins **

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aboutblank:

it usually takes ~5 mins to get channel info from zap2it

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kormoc:

ssstormy, that's a bit wrong... there is a bit of jitter due to how compressed a stream can be, but that's a bit excessive...

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aboutblank:

go to channel editor and see if you have it

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cornell:

Exiting, it wants me to run mythfilldatabase, which I will

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aboutblank:

cornell: yeah if you didn't before you need to

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ssstormy:

I know it's wrong. But that's the way it is right now, and that's why I am asking. I'm baffled.

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kormoc:

ssstormy, try setting it to 1100/1000 and see if it halves or quarters?

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cornell:

Well, I've done all of this before, and again this evening, and just now.

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ssstormy:

alright

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cornell:

Starting frontend

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aboutblank:

you don't have to tell us

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ssstormy:

wait what would happen if I was using the system during recording for relativly CPU intensive proccesses, such as compliling?

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ssstormy:

*compiling

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kormoc:

ssstormy, it should drop frames, not double the disk space used

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kormoc:

(assuming a software encoder)

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Zider:

is anyone here good at nfs stuff?

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cornell:

Gee... if I scroll up to 68, I get a name (TCM)... what the rest don't have names?

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ssstormy:

Zider, I might be able to help

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kormoc:

I use NFS at home

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Zider:

ssstormy: I'm trying to export a directory wiyth a mount point in it, but the mount point dir is empty when I list it from the client

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Zider:

no errors.. permissions are ok..

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informavore:

I cannot connect to remote backend server...

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kormoc:

Zider, and the mounted filesystem is NFS exportable?

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Zider:

kormoc: define "exportable"? it's ust a reiserfs drive

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ssstormy:

I'm not familiar with that. I bet there's a flag you have to set to allow it to leave the initial filesystem.

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Zider:

just

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kormoc:

Zider, and the other filesystem is reiser as well?

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Zider:

kormoc: yes, everything is reiser

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

some filesystems are just not NFS exportable, they're marked as unsafe to export via NFS, reiser is not one of them, so that theory flew away

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Zider:

yeah

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informavore:

do you have a valid /etc/exports?

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achew22:

kormoc, what about them makes them not exportable?

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kormoc:

as for dealing with the cross filesystem issue, I didn't think you needed to pass in anything if it was the same filesystem

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cornell:

mmm channel line up doesn't seem right, it has Lost on channel 7, it's on channel 6. So back to setup /3 and checkout zap2it, right?

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kormoc:

achew22, not entirely sure, I just know there's a black list out there

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achew22:

hrm...

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Zider:

informavore: I can access /share and the files/dirs there, no problem.. but /share/movies which is aniother drive shows up as an empty dir..

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informavore:

you have to include each file system in /etc/exports, the mounts have to be done over again on each client

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Zider:

so all mountpoints has to be separately mounted?

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informavore:

that is... if you have /share and /share/movies on two different partitions, you need to list /share and /share/movies on two lines in /etc/exports

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aboutblank:

can someone please explain to me what mythtv is doing with transcoders. when i select 'Default' or 'Autodetect' when attempting to transcode a recorded show, I don't know what recording profile those are linked to, and what codec they use.

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Zider:

informavore: so I'll have two nfs mounts?

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cornell:

Channel frequency table should remain at default, shouldn't it?

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informavore:

yes.

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Zider:

informavore: that sounds just a tad retarded.. :/

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informavore:

I didn't write NFS, I just know how it works...

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Zider:

see, I knew I'd regret trying to set up this bloody nfs shit..

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fryfrog:

Zider: I *think* there might be a "cross-mount points" nfs option?

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Zider:

I miss samba :P

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fryfrog:

did you try man nfs.conf?

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Zider:

fryfrog: I haven't found jack shit about it in any docs

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cornell:

Could Perform EIT Scan be screwing it up?

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fryfrog:

/mnt/raid5 10.0.1.1/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async,no_subtree_check)

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Zider:

fryfrog: you mean man exports?

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fryfrog:

that is my entry in /etc/exports

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fryfrog:

oh, yeah sorry :)

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Zider:

fryfrog: yeah, just like mine

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fryfrog:

christ, wtf is nfs.conf :)

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fryfrog:

soft,intr,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,async,nfsvers=3,bg,actimeo=0,tcp

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fryfrog:

those are my etc/fstab options

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Zider:

bg?

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fryfrog:

unfortunatly, none of that is cross mount point so i can't verify for sure

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fryfrog:

mounts in the background, according to Beirdo

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Zider:

ah

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fryfrog:

the "tcp" and "nfsvers=3" are very important, especially on your weird network

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informavore:

you have to mount each disk separately too. each must be in exports on server, and in fstab on client.

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fryfrog:

er, will be i should say

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Zider:

why in the heck would they do it like that?

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fryfrog:

security

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informavore:

'cause it was 1980.

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Zider:

without any disabling option? :P

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fryfrog:

crossmnt

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fryfrog:

hi sir

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fryfrog:

add that to your /etc/exports options

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fryfrog:

and see "nohide" above it as well

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fryfrog:

it looks like you'd add "crossmnt" to the parent in /etc/exports (you'll still need the second one also in /etc/exports)

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fryfrog:

but *not* on the client

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fryfrog:

i think :)

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informavore:

cross mount looks cool! Ain't in my man page though...

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Zider:

fryfrog: I love you :D

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fryfrog:

Zider: I'm glad, otherwise I would have felt pretty bad about last night. Also, I'm pregnant :/

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Zider:

fryfrog: ...oh

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Zider:

dammit, I have antivirus program installed!

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fryfrog:

ahha

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Zider:

bloody norton crap

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fryfrog:

avast, ftw :)

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Zider:

;)

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Zider:

linux ftw ;)

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Zider:

now I can finally see if nfs allows me to play videos without errors :P

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fryfrog:

hehe

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