Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, October 21st, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Pryon:

"Use ivtv-tune to change channels and ivtvctl to change input.

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Pryon:

* Do not use MythTV or another application; they could be the cause of any problem. "

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Dagmar:

That must be written in some crazy language

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Pryon:

?

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Dagmar:

As many people who claim to never see it, it must be written in latin or something.

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Pryon:

ah

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Dagmar:

I don't have nearly as much of a problem with idiots (I expect them actually) as I do when people blatantly lie about what they've done or whine about how many hours they've spent "working" on the problem.

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Dagmar:

Those things are *highly* counter-productive

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pab:

thank you xris, I think it's working now with 0.4 :)

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kenguru:

this is bit offtopic, but is there any good fan speed software for linux?

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xzcvczx:

is there a way to get mythdvd – transcode/rip working as a queue rather than random selections?

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Imaginativeone:

where is everyone?

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smeagol:

anyone got any advice for handling subtitle tracks in mplayer?

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Zider:

smeagol: tracks as on a dvd or what?

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smeagol:

sorry, ogm files played via mplayer

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smeagol:

maybe other file types

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Zider:

ah, well, should be the same way

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Zider:

you wanna change subtitles I assume?

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smeagol:

right now, i've never used subtitles in myth

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smeagol:

on my desktop machine, i know you can select different subtitle tracks via whatever player you use

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Zider:

if you use mplayer it's not related to mythtv

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smeagol:

doesn't myth use mplayer for video playback?

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Zider:

it can use it yes

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Zider:

but it's not limited to it

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smeagol:

right... i'm using knoppmyth...fairly sure that's what it uses

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Zider:

mkay

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Zider:

b and j switches subtitles

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Zider:

if you use a keyboard

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smeagol:

ah..ok... i can map those in my lirc file i'm sure

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Zider:

probably yes

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Zider:

dunno if mplayer has any default "lirc button" for subs tho

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smeagol:

gotcha

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smeagol:

i pressed all my buttons to see if one existed :)

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Zider:

;)

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smeagol:

but i've got a bit of kludge situation anyways.. i have a harmony remote acting as an MS MCE remote

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Zider:

I know nothing about remotes.. :/

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smeagol:

i know enough to be dangerous

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smeagol:

i do like the harmony FWIW

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Ediehow:

anyone use a channel change script?

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megaman12:

hi all...first timer mythtv ..question about scanning dvb channels?

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megaman12:

im using ubuntu and got my frontend to run (currently scanning my music files) but i wanted to know how can i scan nilesat?

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xzcvczx:

look at mythtv-setup

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smeagol:

i have a channel change script... but not working 100%, mainly cuz of the set top box i was using

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megaman12:

i did look and frankly i can't understand

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xzcvczx:

megaman12: read wiki/docs?

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megaman12:

i read .i've been reading for the last couple of days

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dberry:

anyone using a via82xx snd card with spidf for myth?

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megaman12:

i just want to know if mythtv is like vdr or in order to use it with dvb i need to have xmltv listings

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xzcvczx:

megaman12: well for uhf/vhf you dont need xmltv listings

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xzcvczx:

i dunno bout dvb

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kenguru:

i have dvb-c and epg ain't working :)

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megaman12:

i mean, do i watch tv directly through mythtv (like in vdr) or ?

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megaman12:

i cant seem to figure this point out

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kenguru:

megaman12, i have linux box (server) with dvb card and xbox mediacenter with mythtv plugin

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kormoc:

megaman12, you run the frontend, and select LiveTV and you'll see live tv

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megaman12:

very nice :) how do i scan my channels?

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kormoc:

that I donno about, I'm not a DVB user, sorry

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kenguru:

megaman12, i had problems to scan channels with dvb-c also.

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megaman12:

kenguru: what u did?

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mirak:

hi

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megaman12:

can i import them from vdr?

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kenguru:

i don't know anything about vdr :)

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kormoc:

megaman12, justa FYI, most people who use DVB are in bed now, if you don't get lucky tonight, you might want to stop by in 12 to 16 hours or so and talk to the people who use DVB more

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dberry:

does anyone have a .asoundrc file for via82xx using spdif?

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megaman12:

kormoc: ok .. will do :)

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megaman12:

thanks all

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kenguru:

megaman12, i can try to guide you but my linux box is doing something else right now.. wait a sec.

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kormoc:

you're welcome, best of luck

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kenguru:

and it's 5am at here, brains are bit stucky.

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megaman12:

no probs.. i will come back later :)

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megaman12:

later all and thanks again

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kenguru:

megaman12, i run in console this command, "scan C 170000000 6875000 NONE QAM128" freq sr fec mod"

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kenguru:

dam.

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fiveiron:

any idea why mythtv shows an incredibly dark and muddy image for me, but other tv tuning apps show an image just fine?

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Ediehow:

anyone have a channel change script they use for mythtv?

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Ediehow:

why is there this big delay when i use my channel change script from WITHIN Mythtv

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Ediehow:

but not from without

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flip_fl:

I'm still having troubles with XvMC — Ubuntu Edgy Beta – - repo nvidia drivers – repo mythtv .20 (+fixes I think)

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|Torg|:

flip_fl are you trying to play HDTV?

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flip_fl:

is 'XvMCTex: Init Failed' normal

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flip_fl:

yup

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|Torg|:

no its not normal

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|Torg|:

do you have an NVIDIA card?

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flip_fl:

yup

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|Torg|:

how fast is your CPU?

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flip_fl:

I've tried with gf2mx400, 5200 pci, and 5200 agp

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flip_fl:

1.3 ath xp

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flip_fl:

512 ram

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|Torg|:

it may not be fast enough but I found that using ffmepg over XvMC to be about 30% slower but much more stable then the NVIDA driers

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|Torg|:

try running it without XvMC and if you can do not deinterlace

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flip_fl:

I don't have enough horsepower to NOT use XvMC

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|Torg|:

if not, what you are runing into is your X11 driver is not installed correctly or at least not fuilly

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|Torg|:

run X via the console with "X -verbose 6 > X.log 2>&1 &"

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|Torg|:

then type "xhost +"

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flip_fl:

Edgy is using a new version of X in order to use the new gnome, I wonder if that might be the root of the problem

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|Torg|:

trhen in another console run "mythfrontend -v all" as your myth user

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|Torg|:

it shoudl tell you waht the issue is

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|Torg|:

did you switch from XFree86 to xorg?

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flip_fl:

ok I'll give it a try-

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flip_fl:

ubuntu uses xorg

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|Torg|:

that is your problem

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flip_fl:

huh

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|Torg|:

try reinstsalling your NVIDA driver

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|Torg|:

then test the driver against the xorg server

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flip_fl:

there's nothing wronf with my nvidia install

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flip_fl:

I'm 99% sure of that

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|Torg|:

ok run "nvidia-settings" and see if you still have direct rendering

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flip_fl:

yes, I do

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|Torg|:

XvMCTex: Init Failed = I can not initilize XvMC

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|Torg|:

either the driver is broken or you have missing or incorrect libs

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flip_fl:

I know the new xserver now comes with composite enabled, and there was prolem ( fixed in .21) with the osd, but I don't think that's it

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|Torg|:

you can also change off opengl and do not synch to opengl, that will stop myth from attempting to start it

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|Torg|:

but I suspect you need it to not overrun your CPU

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flip_fl:

I can use Xvmc with mplayer

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|Torg|:

as root?

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flip_fl:

the opengl synd is known buggay and turned off in myth and nvidia settings

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flip_fl:

sync buggy

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flip_fl:

anybody know how I can get a more verbose log from either xorg or myth

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|Torg|:

it works fine if you compile myth instead of using the repo and ensure its using XvMCNVIDIA and not XVMCw which I suspect the ubu deb to use

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|Torg|:

I jsut gave you the way to get the more verbose logs

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|Torg|:

in X its X -verbose 6 and in myth its mythfrontend -v all

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flip_fl:

I tried that with .21 svn on a different install — same problem

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flip_fl:

ok lemmee try that

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flip_fl:

ermm how do I pipe that to a file

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|Torg|:

which?

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|Torg|:

its usualy "program_with_options > log.file 2>&1 &"

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flip_fl:

ok thatnks I was trying to use ->

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|Torg|:

in case yoru wondeirn git menas redirect to log ile and pipe standard error to standard out

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flip_fl:

so I would say "git that to a log file"

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|Torg|:

yes

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flip_fl:

pk thanks for the tip

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|Torg|:

btw if you have the cash I really would put in a faster cpu esp dual core for HDTV

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flip_fl:

http://pastebin.ca/212940

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|Torg|:

ok what video, if any, do you get?

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flip_fl:

stuttering and slow- not tearing

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|Torg|:

XvMCTex: Init failed means it can not open the vxmc to write overlay

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|Torg|:

what video are you trying to play? your outputting at 1024x768 which is NOT an HDTV resolution

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flip_fl:

broadcast — how can I tell the resolution

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|Torg|:

of the broadcast?

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flip_fl:

should I change my x setting to make it 1280x1024

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|Torg|:

thats not HDTV either

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flip_fl:

erm what should I change it to

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|Torg|:

what are you displaying onto?

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flip_fl:

crt

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|Torg|:

720x480 is called 480p

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flip_fl:

not tv

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|Torg|:

1280x720 is 720p

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|Torg|:

and 1920x1080 is 1080p

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|Torg|:

the interlaced ones are the same size output with have the vert resoltution being displayed

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flip_fl:

so will changing my x server settings make a difference

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|Torg|:

as fro the resoltution your getting from bcasts I take it this is ATSC

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flip_fl:

yup

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|Torg|:

and the changing or resizing of the video is what is taking so much CPU

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flip_fl:

ahhh

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|Torg|:

your TV stations shoudl all brodcast in 1080I or 720P

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flip_fl:

it CAN'T be that simple :)

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|Torg|:

there pretty much standardized and it depends on when they put in their equipemtn

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|Torg|:

does the video stutter or just the audio?

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flip_fl:

both

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|Torg|:

the audio is probbly being cased my the user of XvMC the video is from X11 trying to resize the output

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|Torg|:

lastlyu since your CRT is progressive scan and your output is being deinterlaced

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|Torg|:

you can try to turn of the interlacing and see if you can live with it

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|Torg|:

you can try to add fake buffering (buffer extra audio) and see if the desynch is stil ok

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|Torg|:

you can try to do a fw other tweeks, but your mostly bound by CPU

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flip_fl:

In my xorg.log I get 'no valid modes for 1920x1080 ; removing'

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|Torg|:

thats becasue your CRT cant do it

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|Torg|:

try adding ModeLine "ATSC-1080–60i" 182.28 1920 1952 2640 2672 1080 1102 1113 1135 +HSync +vsync Interlace to yoru Monitor section

[03:47:34]

|Torg|:

I dount it will work tho

[03:48:55]

flip_fl:

I'v got VGA and BNC inputs on this monitor, I'm using the BNC, I wonder if it can't get the EID cause of that

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|Torg|:

your using composite out?

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flip_fl:

no- component

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flip_fl:

rgb + sync

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|Torg|:

what model is this monitor?

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flip_fl:

sony multiscan 520gs

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|Torg|:

first off its not an HDTV monitor

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|Torg|:

secondly you can not put 1080I, 720P or 480P to a non HDTV monitor

[03:52:40]

|Torg|:

third you can not get edid via compoent cable

[03:52:49]

|Torg|:

and lastly component is analog not digital

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|Torg|:

do you plan on putting an HDTv monitor on this?

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flip_fl:

This monitor will do 1600

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|Torg|:

ok let me put it this way you are trying to use an analog montir with a nice size to putput dignal piture that is larget then 1600

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|Torg|:

i.e. you cant do it not matter how fast that comptuer is

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|Torg|:

about the best thing you can do other then buy an HDTV disply is spend ~$100 for an SD tuner and take out the HD ones

[03:55:49]

flip_fl:

you're telling me that everybody who has a pchdtv card is using a HDTV display device that's NOT a crt computer monitor

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|Torg|:

im tellgin you 1080I at 1920x1080 is larger then the 1600x1200 your monitor can do

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|Torg|:

im telling you your going to have to translcode the video to a 4:3 scale or letterbox it becase your recoding HTDV frames

[03:57:21]

|Torg|:

if you want to use that CRT then you have to transcode all of your video

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flip_fl:

my monitor can do higher than that- doubt if the video card could keep up tho

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|Torg|:

what video card do you have?

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flip_fl:

nv 5200

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|Torg|:

it can do HDTV and much much higher

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|Torg|:

altho the computer you have is grossly under spec to play HDTV

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flip_fl:

I used to watch my teleman hipix all the time- it used an overlay- is that different

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|Torg|:

its not doing 1080I unless its resampleing it samller

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|Torg|:

you are using a 4:3 montiro to display 16:9

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|Torg|:

your video MUST be letterboxed, and MUST be resampled

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flip_fl:

then how can I play hd stuff in mplayer

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|Torg|:

its been resampled that or its not hd stuff

[04:01:53]

|Torg|:

where did you get it to make you belive it was hd?

[04:02:11]

flip_fl:

from here http://www.w6rz.net/

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|Torg|:

hahah ok yes its been resampled

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|Torg|:

btw we cant talk about pirating software or video here

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flip_fl:

huh

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|Torg|:

I was just going to stop you befoer you said you got it from a torrent or something

[04:03:28]

flip_fl:

did you take the link

[04:04:10]

flip_fl:

these play fine with xvmc and mplayer

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|Torg|:

its resizing the video

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flip_fl:

I don't think the problem is my screen res-- can we get back to 'can't open overlay'

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|Torg|:

I know for a fact you can not play 1080I on your screen

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|Torg|:

the ONLY way it can be output is if its been resampled

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|Torg|:

you can resample it on the fly as in the player

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|Torg|:

or you can resample iut on transcoding

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|Torg|:

there is NO OTHER WAY to watch those, period

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|Torg|:

you are trying to put a gallon of water in a half gallon buket

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flip_fl:

ok – I admit that it's getting resampled – and scaled – but it should still work

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|Torg|:

ether use less water, or you cant do it

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|Torg|:

that resampling is what is taking so much CPU

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flip_fl:

how is that not done in the video card

[04:09:33]

flip_fl:

the video card does all the resampling doesn't it

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|Torg|:

the video card does not encode/decode

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|Torg|:

all that is done by software

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|Torg|:

the video card does rendering and displaying

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flip_fl:

except for xvmc which offloads some of the decoding to the gru and is what I can't get to work

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|Torg|:

it does simply what you tell it to, in fact you are not using much of its advanced functions (becase you are not trying to render things like polygons, antialiasing or shading)

[04:10:34]

flip_fl:

gpu

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|Torg|:

what you are ysing the video card is its speed at displaying video

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|Torg|:

as for the card its plenty fast enough to disply the video

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|Torg|:

and yes XvMC offloads work to the GPU

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|Torg|:

that card is really not fast enough to play HDTV tho

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|Torg|:

you have to understnad HDTV farms are gigatic, they are a huge load to the CPU the GPU or anything

[04:12:09]

|Torg|:

you are taking about hsing a speicalzed cpu that is desingfed for small data and fast rates and attempting to stuff gigantic loads of data down it

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|Torg|:

will it offload it from you CPU, yes

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|Torg|:

will it offload it enough to allow smoth picitre, no

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|Torg|:

can you tweek it and make it do it, maybe, probably not

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flip_fl:

man this card has been around for 2+ years – there were ppl running this on <1Ghz stuff then

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|Torg|:

to RENDER data

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flip_fl:

the xvmc makes it possible

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|Torg|:

to take polygons and see how fast it can flip them

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|Torg|:

NOT to dump large data loads to the GPU as fast as it can

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|Torg|:

your hardware is simply not fast enough

[04:15:03]

flip_fl:

can we get back to 'can't open overlay'

[04:15:12]

flip_fl:

how can I troubleshoot that

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|Torg|:

sure dont use opengl

[04:16:47]

flip_fl:

how come I can use XvMC with mplayer, but myth throws an error?

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|Torg|:

becase opengl cant disply to the screen

[04:18:09]

flip_fl:

ok how do I not use opengl

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|Torg|:

that erorr while signficant isnt want is at the root of your stuttering problem

[04:21:00]

flip_fl:

ok max resolution is 1600x1200 for this monitor

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|Torg|:

which is smaller then 1080 and in 4:3 not 16:9

[04:22:38]

flip_fl:

so probably instead of saving my pennies for a hotter cpu I should get a dedicated hdtv display device

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|Torg|:

your card *IS* an HDTV displaying device

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|Torg|:

your CPU in the comptuer is two slow, aabout 2/3 the speed you need

[04:23:33]

|Torg|:

your memery is ok, but id suggest you doubbe it

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|Torg|:

your disply deive is wholey inadequate

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|Torg|:

your trying to pull 25 tons of dirt with a VW bus

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|Torg|:

what you should do is take the sytem yo have no and make it a backend only box

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GreyFoxx:

what are you running it on ?

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|Torg|:

1.3ghz amd singal core, with 512M of ram and an nv 5200 connected to a 21" 4:3 CRT

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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GreyFoxx:

ok, good luck with that ;)

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|Torg|:

*THAT* is what ive been TRYING to tell him, but he wont listen

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flip_fl:

I don't understand how I can directly tune a channel on the pchdtv and display it in mplayer or xine just fine but I won't work in myth

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|Torg|:

becase myth, doing more then siply acting as a redirect pipe, takes more CPU to do that

[04:31:59]

flip_fl:

I'm telling you that I think something is wrong with xvmc

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|Torg|:

other then it causeing desyncs in audio there is nothing wrong with it

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flip_fl:

Then in theory I should be able to use myth to record and mplayer to playback?

[04:33:41]

flip_fl:

can myth grab the .ts

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|Torg|:

yes thats posible, you will loose all tracking of what was recorded and what it is

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GreyFoxx:

nah

[04:34:13]

GreyFoxx:

just point mythvideo at the mythrecordings dir

[04:34:17]

GreyFoxx:

and configure mythvideo to call mplayer

[04:34:30]

GreyFoxx:

Hell,you can use mythrename to have "pretty" names too

[04:35:22]

flip_fl:

fwiw – I was using a 1.9 ghz too but same exact problems

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|Torg|:

the reson my amd 1500 is a backend is it filed at bing a frontend

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flip_fl:

so I should also be able to drop a ts file in the recordsing dir and call it from myth?

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|Torg|:

I currently run 1080I reliably off a P4 dual core 3ghz using ffmepg not xvmc and no deinterlacing

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|Torg|:

it runs one core at about 70% for myth and 45% for X11

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flip_fl:

do you have an nvidia card

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|Torg|:

and plays 1080i flawlessly

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|Torg|:

yes an nvidia 5900 ultra

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flip_fl:

why don'y you use xvmc

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|Torg|:

becase xvmc can relaibly screw up the audio

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|Torg|:

with xvmc myth runs at about 40% of one core

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GreyFoxx:

flip_fl: if you have a file you want to play that was NOT recorded by myth put it somewhere else and use mythvideo

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|Torg|:

the audio can and often does get decynshed and is sometimes so choppy as to simply not work at all

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ZeeO:

what is a good guide to use for a WinTv Pvr 250

[04:39:31]

** GreyFoxx 's XP2500+ plays 1080i happily **

[04:39:37]

ZeeO:

and what os is good to go with

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Zider:

ZeeO: gnu/linux

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Zider:

:P

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flip_fl:

I'm sposed to be getting a 3000+ early next week

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ZeeO:

just a base debian ?

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ZeeO:

fine

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Zider:

should work yes

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GreyFoxx:

ZeeO: Use whatever you are most comfortable with

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GreyFoxx:

everyone has a different preference for Distro

[04:41:19]

flip_fl:

GreyFoxx, you mean don't put the files in my recording directory

[04:41:39]

GreyFoxx:

flip_fl: If myth didn't record them , then they shouldbe seperate

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flip_fl:

ok

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flip_fl:

GreyFoxx, you using xvmc

[04:42:22]

GreyFoxx:

nope

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GreyFoxx:

No need to

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flip_fl:

I guess what's frustrating me is I NEED to, but I can't because it's failing for some reason

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|Torg|:

your vxmc isnt failing its failing to draw opengl

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|Torg|:

your xvmc is still bsing used to to the transforms

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|Torg|:

were vxmc be faling you would get no video at all

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flip_fl:

I'm like 99% sure I had myth working with this hd tuner card like 8 months ago

[04:45:02]

flip_fl:

and was getting a really nice smooth picture

[04:45:50]

flip_fl:

I'm still confused, why is it failing to draw opengl

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flip_fl:

I can post my dmesg and glxinfo if that would help

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|Torg|:

xvmc is not the same as glx

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flip_fl:

check this out – not the same problem – but very similar

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flip_fl:

//www.mail-archive.com/atrpms-users@atrpms.net/msg02487.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/atrpms-users@atrp . . . sg02487.html

[04:50:12]

flip_fl:

Like I said I'm 99% sure I had this working with like .18

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flip_fl:

wait- that wasn't the link I was looking for

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Zider:

I finally got around to setting up suspend2 on th mythbox

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Zider:

haven't got the bloody IR receiver working tho :(

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tuck3r:

http://pastebin.ca/213047 what could be the cause of lirc not finding the card?

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GTroy:

HELP!!!

[05:23:28]

GTroy:

everytime I start to watch tv...all I get is blue screen

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Zider:

as in windows bluescreen? :P

[05:24:30]

tank-man:

what tv tuner card?

[05:24:37]

GTroy:

win-tv go

[05:24:45]

GTroy:

it's a frame grabber

[05:25:08]

GTroy:

I think I've got the bttv settings wrong...

[05:26:25]

GTroy:

card=10 tuner=39

[05:26:30]

GTroy:

I'm in the us

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tuck3r:

well i see input from /dev/input/event0 now how can i get this to work with lirc_i2c

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GTroy:

I cannot modprobe tuner=38.... it stays at 39

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Zider:

tuck3r: isn't t hat the keyboard?

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tuck3r:

Zider: on second look yes

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tuck3r:

bah, nothing is working with the IR port on the card

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xzcvczx:

tuck3r: what card?

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Zider:

at least you have an IR port :P

[05:50:09]

tuck3r:

xzcvczx: PVR-150

[05:50:11]

xzcvczx:

Zider: i prefer my dodgy serial port one, only cost $10 +1hr and it works well

[05:50:20]

xzcvczx:

tuck3r: ivtv version?

[05:50:29]

tuck3r:

0.8.0

[05:50:29]

Zider:

xzcvczx: I can't get mine to work at all.. stone dead.. :(

[05:50:39]

tuck3r:

kernel 2.6.18

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xzcvczx:

Zider: your serial one?

[05:50:47]

Zider:

xzcvczx: yeah

[05:51:13]

Zider:

xzcvczx: http://www.lirc.org/receivers.html – that one

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xzcvczx:

what happens when you try?

[05:51:30]

Zider:

nada

[05:51:32]

Zider:

zip

[05:51:37]

Zider:

stone dead

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xzcvczx:

can you modprobe?

[05:51:59]

Zider:

yes, but same result on both serial ports (of which one is unused)

[05:52:14]

tuck3r:

xzcvczx: http://pastebin.ca/213077 if you care

[05:52:17]

xzcvczx:

and it successfully probes?

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Zider:

yes

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xzcvczx:

tuck3r: yes ive seen

[05:52:32]

xzcvczx:

no idea sorry tuck3r

[05:52:41]

Zider:

xzcvczx: it loads even if it's not connected at all

[05:52:51]

xzcvczx:

Zider: you checked your resistor to make sure its the right one

[05:52:56]

Zider:

xzcvczx: yes

[05:53:02]

xzcvczx:

Zider: as that was my problem at first

[05:53:26]

Zider:

I printed out the page and handed it over to the guy in the shop as well.. and checked that he got them all right.

[05:53:41]

xzcvczx:

Zider: your cap, power regulator and ir reciever circuit all aligned right?

[05:54:08]

xzcvczx:

and lastly you using the right pins on the serial plug

[05:54:12]

xzcvczx:

?

[05:54:19]

Zider:

xzcvczx: as far as I can tell yes.. the IR receiver had different pinouts than the drawing, but I got them right..

[05:54:38]

xzcvczx:

you able to take a pic of the circuit?

[05:54:47]

Zider:

that I made you mean?

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xzcvczx:

yup

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xzcvczx:

i made the exact same one :P

[05:55:14]

Zider:

nope.. and I doubt you'd be able to make out what's what either.. ;)

[05:55:24]

xzcvczx:

how come?

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Zider:

it's basically a clump of wires

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xzcvczx:

lol mines worse

[05:55:48]

Zider:

and resoldered a number of times ;)

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Juski:

haha. you should see mine.. a model of homebrew electronics

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xzcvczx:

but its all hidden inside a serial port case so it looks all priddy

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xzcvczx:

Juski: i challenge you to a duel

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Zider:

well, mine is at the end of a flat cable connected to the internal serial port connector

[05:56:40]

xzcvczx:

Zider: sounds high tech :P

[05:56:45]

Zider:

very. :P

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Juski:

I need to mod my case so I can have an internal sensor, but getting hold of IR translucent plastic is proving difficult

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xzcvczx:

i may end up desoldering the serial port from my mobo soon so mine will probably just go on the other serial ports header pins

[05:57:35]

Zider:

no internal connector?

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xzcvczx:

yeah thats what im saying but the serial port where is it at the moment i think may cause problems with where my mobo is going

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Juski:

xzcvczx: don't even go there with home soldering equipment. they're difficult enough to remove even with proper gear, what with the ground plane & all

[05:58:26]

Zider:

ah

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Juski:

you'll not have to desolder it so much.. more like cut it off

[05:58:41]

xzcvczx:

Juski: its alright im not doing it myself will get some guy at work to do it

[05:59:10]

Juski:

hmmmm

[06:00:31]

xzcvczx:

Juski: so wheres a picture of your ir reciever?

[06:00:53]

ZeeO:

hey guys i was triyng to use this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=186747

[06:00:54]

ZeeO:

but

[06:00:55]

ZeeO:

wget ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/wintv-...0.24.23035.zip

[06:00:55]

ZeeO:

wget ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/wintv-....22254_inf.zip

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ZeeO:

is dead links

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xzcvczx:

ZeeO: i never see that many dots in a url

[06:01:31]

xzcvczx:

you sure your not missing part of the url?

[06:01:47]

Zider:

ZeeO: that's name of the links only

[06:01:54]

Zider:

ZeeO: click it on the page

[06:02:12]

ZeeO:

wget ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/wintv-pvr_150-5 . . . 24.23035.zip

[06:02:12]

ZeeO:

wget ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/wintv-pvr_250-3 . . . 254_inf.zip?

[06:02:18]

ZeeO:

link is still dad

[06:02:20]

ZeeO:

dead

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Zider:

I just downloaded them :P

[06:02:52]

ZeeO:

realy must be a routing prob

[06:02:56]

ZeeO:

can you send me them

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ZeeO:

thx Zider

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Juski:

xzcvczx: I dunno. might have one somewhere I'll have a look

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Zider:

I can't even find anyone around here to make me one.. :P

[06:07:20]

Zider:

and noone sells them either ofcourse

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in8:

anyone have any experience using nuvexport? I'm trying to create xvid archives of my fav. show lost... only prob is they're so pixelized theyre not even worth watching....

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tank-man:

increase the bitrate

[06:10:49]

tank-man:

and maybe resolution

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in8:

I tried a 10 hour 2 pass vbr at 960k denoise and all that.... still.... I tried a single pass at 6000 just to test it and while it processed i peeked at the video and still unwatchable

[06:12:35]

in8:

624x464

[06:12:49]

in8:

I'll try up res....

[06:12:54]

in8:

brb

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Zider:

isn't bitrates usually around 1800? or is that dvd?

[06:15:43]

in8:

I think dvd is 6000

[06:15:44]

Zider:

ah no, dvd is 5Mbit

[06:17:13]

in8:

720 x 480 not much better......

[06:18:32]

in8:

did I maybe f*** something up installing ffmpeg or libav?

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xzcvczx:

in8: probably easier just to download the episodes(legal i believe)

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Zider:

legal to download lost?

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xzcvczx:

i thought i heard a while ago of someone who got dragged to court for downloading/uploading eps and i think it got thrown out as free2air is free2air

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Zider:

mkay

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xzcvczx:

i think......... maybe google that first :P

[06:35:02]

Zider:

nah, I don't care about that show.. :P

[06:35:13]

Zider:

interesting if it's true tho

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xzcvczx:

the first ep of season 3 was pretty good

[06:37:22]

Zider:

my ex followed that series, and so does a couple of friends.. personally, I think it stinks.. but to each his own I guess.. :P

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xzcvczx:

ok technically its illegal but in practice i think it just depends on how old the judge is..... if he was young enuff to have a video recorder before he went senile it'll be fine otherwise meet your cellmate sideshow bob

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Zider:

umm

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xzcvczx:

umm?

[06:42:00]

Zider:

just trying to figure out what you're on ;)

[06:42:18]

xzcvczx:

lol meh]

[06:42:40]

Zider:

woo, hibernate works :D

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** xzcvczx wonders whether mythphone will ever add skype functionality **

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Juski:

heh. I somehow doubt that

[06:44:33]

Juski:

it has SIP already

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Juski:

which is the only _serious_ voip going

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xzcvczx:

Juski: is there any way to interface sip to good ol' green and red?

[06:49:13]

Juski:

green & red?

[06:49:27]

xzcvczx:

land line

[06:49:37]

Juski:

course there is

[06:49:43]

Juski:

look it up

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xzcvczx:

ok

[06:50:13]

Juski:

you can buy boxes, or just use an olde worlde voice modem AFAIK

[06:51:18]

xzcvczx:

oh yup

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xzcvczx:

hmmm that wont work unfourtunately

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^ALF^:

is there a way to view the cable frequency under windows? I have my card working on a windows box, just static/snow on my KnoppMyth box :-|

[06:56:23]

Juski:

depends on the app I suppose

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Juski:

if it's a v4l tuner, try tvtime in linux

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Juski:

if KnoppMyth has it

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Juski:

which it _should_ cos it's pretty much a necessity to test v4l tuner hardware

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^ALF^:

I'm a complete linux noob hehe

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Juski:

you know.. testing hardware in linux to make sure the driver works before going on with mythtv... old tradition sadly dying out

[06:58:23]

Juski:

"I can't be bothered to search for any info hehe"

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Zider:

"lol"

[06:59:13]

Zider:

;)

[06:59:19]

^ALF^:

knew u guys would say that

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Juski:

well, things that can go wrong are : 1. wrong tuner selected in the driver. 2. wrong frequency table selected in mythtv-setup...

[06:59:48]

^ALF^:

actually I've gone the 4 frequencys from teh mythtv setup

[07:00:27]

^ALF^:

you make a point about the wrong tuner selected though, I always select PVR x50

[07:00:35]

Juski:

you've gone the 4 frequencys from teh setup?

[07:00:38]

Juski:

you've gone the 4 frequencys from teh setup?!

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^ALF^:

you get the idea- it's midnight, please forgive my typing/spelling.

[07:01:06]

Juski:

so what tuner DO you have?

[07:01:22]

^ALF^:

Hauppauge PVR-150

[07:01:40]

Juski:

hey if I type wrong words/words in the wrong order, it's ok if you can't understand a fucking word I say, k? ;)

[07:02:00]

Juski:

right so you selected the right type of tuner in mythtv-setup. so far so good

[07:02:06]

Juski:

so tvtime would get you nowhere

[07:02:10]

^ALF^:

WinTV-PVR-150 NTSC/NTSC-J 26152 LF

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tank-man:

^ALF^, make sure ivtv is setup before seeing if mythtv is the problem

[07:03:03]

Juski:

yeah if the wrong tuner type is selected by ivtv it'll cause the problem you're having

[07:03:23]

Juski:

you need... ivtv tuning utility. (ivtvtune.pl it _used_ to be)

[07:03:34]

Juski:

and the cat command... and mplayer

[07:04:16]

Juski:

I love the idea of knoppmyth but I have misgivings about it making users skip important steps

[07:04:31]

Juski:

like testing the hardware in linux

[07:05:25]

Juski:

but if you go into knoppmyth armed with the knowledge that it's _not_ actually a one-stop shop you're forewarned already ;)

[07:06:00]

Juski:

so ^ALF^ you need to look at ivtvdriver.org & read the docs about testing the tuner card in linux

[07:06:15]

Juski:

or.. maybe the knoppmyth FAQs

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Juski:

ooo the sorting office will be open. I can pick up my new case badges now :)

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Zider:

I may have found the problem with my IR receiver :/

[07:11:34]

Zider:

the diode doesn't lead in either direction

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xzcvczx:

huh?

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xzcvczx:

doesnt lead in either direction?

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kraut:

moin

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dtm:

hellos.

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Juski:

badger badger badger badger badger badger :D

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dtm:

:-I

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** dtm prepares to install mythtv 0.20 on ppc fedora rawhide **

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Juski:

rollin' rollin' rollin', rawhide ?

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Juski:

http://www.juski.co.uk/badgers.png :)

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Juski:

whoops.. not uploaded yet

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Juski:

now it is

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xzcvczx:

mushroom mushroom

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Zider:

cute :)

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xzcvczx:

oh lol badges rather than badgers

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Juski:

ooo I got one more than I'd ordered

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Juski:

actually no.. three more!

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Juski:

bonus :)

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xzcvczx:

Juski: you can send me one then :P

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dtm:

batches of beavers' badges

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dtm:

Juski: you made those/ or what

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dtm:

?

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Juski:

I can some from the next batch to anyone who wants one, but you'll have to pay 1 GBP per badge & shipping

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Juski:

I can some? erm.. I can _send_ some

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Juski:

dtm: I had them made

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xzcvczx:

thats $3 :S

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Juski:

I'm not out to make a profit or retire here

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xzcvczx:

lol i know i was joking

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dtm:

Juski: for what

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Juski:

I'm gonna try & put an online ordering thing together today for the MythTV case badges

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dtm:

Juski: just because?

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Juski:

yeah, just because

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dtm:

well doe.

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dtm:

done.

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Juski:

heh. if I was out to make a lot of money I'd not be selling little case stickers

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dtm:

noted.

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Juski:

I'd sell TSHIRTS

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Juski:

kidding. not much money in them either. ask the Debian promoters that lol

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dtm:

hehe

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Juski:

hmmm I need to make up a checklist for the expo

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ChiefB:

Has anyone tested knoppmyth with a Hauppauge DEC 3000 -s?

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Juski:

dunno. have you?

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ivor:

heh, frontend at 0bytes free.

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ivor:

that explains a lot.

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Juski:

I'm getting low on recording space now. only just over 120GB free

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damkor:

hi there

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damkor:

i have a question here: mythtv is GPL2, and as far as I know, every mythtv plugin has the same license

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damkor:

can I write a plugin that under a different license?

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ivor:

what license did you want to use?

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damkor:

is that important?

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damkor:

what licenses can I use?

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** ivor shrugs **

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damkor:

is there any mythtv development irc channel?

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stoffel:

#mythtv

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Juski:

I dunno... GPL2 is good.. very good. we don't want no limitations in our mythtv

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fish_:

Juski: well, gpl2 _is_ a limitation if you compare it with a bsd like licence or lgpl..

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Juski:

haha

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Juski:

true

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Juski:

not that I understand the terms of either of them fully.. I think we can count most mortals in that too

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fish_:

...but i think gpl2 is the better licence for mythtv ;)

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fish_:

afaik lgpl and the bsd licence is very similar. and the biggest difference is, if mythtv were bsd or lgpl, nobody would need to give back his changes to the code under the same licence

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ivor:

Juski: since they're binary plugins he could probably use a more restrictive license if he wanted. he just didn't seem to want to talk about it.

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fish_:

so i would guess that it should be ok if someone wants to write a lgpl or bsd licenced mythtv plugin because you can fork it into a gpl2ed tree

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Juski:

hmmm

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Juski:

I've seen some dodgy plugins on a forum somehere. mate of mine at work is a member of said forum

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Juski:

plugins/patches

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Juski:

talk about tainted code

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mirak:

Juski: hey

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mirak:

the technotrend 1500 budget are out of stock :-/

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Super_Cat_Frog:

hi – does anybody know where i can find out more information about radiotimes's xmltv friendly data feeds?

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Juski:

Super_Cat_Frog: wiki.mythtv.org. search for xmltv then look at the link on the UK part

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Super_Cat_Frog:

Juski: thanks

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Super_Cat_Frog:

hmm, search appears to be broken, i got a 404

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Super_Cat_Frog:

ah, got it (googled using site:)

[11:30:28]

Super_Cat_Frog:

ah, what i was after wasn't there

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Super_Cat_Frog:

i was hoping or stuff like licencing of the data and stuff

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Super_Cat_Frog:

and why xmltv.radiotimes.com has HTTP authentication

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Juski:

it's free, and for personal use only

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Juski:

they're quite explicit about that

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Super_Cat_Frog:

ye, i'd like to read the license, as i'm hoping to write a non-commercial tv guide type website for my family and friends

[11:34:04]

Juski:

no way no way

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Super_Cat_Frog:

bugger, as radiotimes's website is shit

[11:34:28]

Juski:

heard of bleb.org?

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Super_Cat_Frog:

Juski: no

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Super_Cat_Frog:

i'l gander

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Juski:

look em up

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Super_Cat_Frog:

ah thats great, thanks

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Super_Cat_Frog:

Juski: sign this petition then: http://www.petitiononline.com/UKTV4GPL/ :)

[11:40:16]

Juski:

no way

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Super_Cat_Frog:

ok

[11:41:01]

Juski:

radiotimes.com provides the data free of charge for personal use. if anyone wants to profit from that data, be it in terms of money & site hits then they should be expected to pay

[11:41:39]

Juski:

there'd be nothing to stop you using a freeview card & tv_grab_dvb for your own site anyway

[11:41:56]

Super_Cat_Frog:

there is, thats what that petition is for

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Juski:

keep it low key though, or the lawyers'll come after you

[11:42:12]

Super_Cat_Frog:

ye

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Super_Cat_Frog:

ive always wondered why there weren't more tv guides

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Juski:

it's a commercial enterprise, radiotimes.. people have to be paid for all the data admin. why would they just give it away?

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Super_Cat_Frog:

there hasn't been a decent uk one since ananova got bought by orange

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Juski:

there was no money in ananova I expect

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Super_Cat_Frog:

i just think the tv channels should publish data in a machine readable format, which could be parsed easily by radiotimes, etc

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Juski:

I'd actually _pay_ for quality data but as it turns out I get 14 days' worth for free

[11:44:10]

Super_Cat_Frog:

although i agree that radiotimes shouldn't have to (and are admirable for) giving out their data in a machine readable format, under any license

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Juski:

since TV was deregulated here in the UK it's been nothing but downhill

[11:45:28]

Juski:

and now OFCOM want to remove even more regulations, big companies will be able to own more media outlets. And that's not necessarily a good thing

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Super_Cat_Frog:

well i can see where its going – if you watch UKTV Gold, you'l see how long the adverts are, thats the way other companies will go

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Super_Cat_Frog:

fortunately, i can still watch BBC and not be plagued by hours of annoying advertising

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Super_Cat_Frog:

(i dont mind adverts as long as they dont make me want to kill people, like that bastard sheilas wheels advert)

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Juski:

hahaha

[11:47:57]

Juski:

CILLIT BANG!!!!

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Juski:

although, mythtv's commflagging works brilliantly on channels with onscreen logos ;)

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Juski:

well, those whose logos are taken off for the adverts anyway

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Super_Cat_Frog:

ive not got round to re-setting up mythtv

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Super_Cat_Frog:

stuck with tvtime at the moment

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Super_Cat_Frog:

i need a hardware accellerated mpeg encoding card, and a way to change the channel on my cable box

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Super_Cat_Frog:

hmm, ive just noticed there are adverts on radiotimes.co.uk

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Super_Cat_Frog:

gits

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Juski:

we don't get ads in the feeds you know

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stuarta:

afternoon all

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Super_Cat_Frog:

ye, i know

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Juski:

the guide data is pure, unadulterated xmltv :)

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Juski:

afternoon stuarta

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Juski:

how's the hangover?

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Super_Cat_Frog:

but i was just looking round the radiotimes site, and i noticed

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** stuarta is hangover free **

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** Juski plays his new remix one more time **

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stuarta:

despite a 4hr lunch :)

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Juski:

remix/bootleg

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stuarta:

DJ Juski is in da house...

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Super_Cat_Frog:

oooh! this looks promising: http://www.radiotimes.com/content/rss_licence/

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mirak:

is this remote supported on linux ? http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . er-unit.html

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Juski:

stuarta: lily allen vs ini kamoze this time :)

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mirak:

I mean the IR USB receiver

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Juski:

mirak: www.lirc.org, or linuxtv.org

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mirak:

Juski: well I did both, I can't really find a precise answer

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mirak:

the 2300 hybrid can be bought with a rs232 IR. I don't like that much, I would prefer USB

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Juski:

email them.. see what form it takes & whether or not there's a linux driver for it

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Juski:

only way to be sure

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mirak:

yes

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Juski:

damn. I can't put off this trip into town much longer

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Juski:

oo btw stuarta.. badgers are here!

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Juski:

http://www.juski.co.uk/badgers.png :)

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mirak:

I hate mailing lists ...

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mirak:

:D

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Juski:

I meant email Technotrend, you dummy

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mirak:

ah !

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mirak:

I could email dvbshop also, there is a forum also

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mirak:

I am sure technotrend have no idea about the support :D

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Super_Cat_Frog:

mirak: get a bluetooth keyboard type remote – then bind the keys in mythtv to the keys on the remote

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Super_Cat_Frog:

cant go wrong with that, as long as it doesn't require a driver for windows, its a normal keyboard

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** Juski has blogged **

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mirak:

I think I should go for a standart bluetooth remote ?

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Juski:

is that a verb noe? to blog?

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mirak:

you think I should go for a standart bluetooth remote ?

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mirak:

Super_Cat_Frog: ?

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Super_Cat_Frog:

mirak: yes

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Juski:

finding one might be fun though

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stuarta:

does anyone else think "blog" sounds like a bowel movement???

[12:09:20]

Super_Cat_Frog:

because it sends keys like a keyboard, eg: u for volume up, d for volume down, etc

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mirak:

stuarta: I really have no time to read that, it's a waste of time

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Juski:

stuarta: yeah.. a bit... "I felt so ill this morning.. I almost blogged in my sleep"

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stuarta:

hehehe.

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Juski:

go go go web 2.0 :-|

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Super_Cat_Frog:

heh

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Super_Cat_Frog:

mirak: whatever you do, dont let your girlfriend touch your remote

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Super_Cat_Frog:

she'l lose it

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** Super_Cat_Frog tries to find remote **

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Juski:

user generated content... fucking hell if all we have to look forward to is misanthropic ramblings & shitty youtube videos we're all doomed

[12:11:29]

Juski:

the BIG snag with that bluetooth remote idea is that you can't then eliminate the remote with a universal multi-device number.

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Juski:

YAR syndrome

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Juski:

(yet another remote)... arghhhH!

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Juski:

I bought a OFA6 remote, and now I don't need a coffee table anymore :)

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Super_Cat_Frog:

ah yes, but radio remotes are so much better than infrared remotes

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Super_Cat_Frog:

i can control amarok from the other room with mine

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Juski:

when do you _ever_ need it to work non-line-of-sight though?

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Super_Cat_Frog:

when im in the other room and trying to drown out some tossers drum+bass music, eminating from their car

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Juski:

I don't have decent music playback yet

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Juski:

just tv & videos

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Super_Cat_Frog:

or when the dog stands infront of the reciever

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Juski:

ha. don't have a dog

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Juski:

make a microwave remote.. pets will learn not to stand in the beam :-P

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Super_Cat_Frog:

i do, and she just tried to knock over my freebsd server

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Super_Cat_Frog:

heh

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Super_Cat_Frog:

she also likes to brush past the reset button on my machine

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Super_Cat_Frog:

ive considered disconnecting it, but i cant be arsed

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Juski:

I remember when my parents were given a kitten.. it was back in the day when remotes were ultrasonic. The kitten's meweing changed TV channels

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Juski:

pick a number between 0 & 3

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Juski:

sod it I'll go for a #2

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Juski:

bwahahahahaha.. MediaPortal now supports multiple servers & clients but guess what? You have to have Microsoft SQL server installed..

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mirak:

Super_Cat_Frog: I can't find much blue tooth remotes

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mirak:

maybe something like that http://materiel.net/details_967555-0101.html

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fryfrog:

Does anyone know if "const uint RingBuffer::kBufferSize = 10 * 256 * 1024;" is what defines the hd record buffer?

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Juski:

fryfrog: I thought you could define it yourself in the setup menus

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fryfrog:

humm, i did see that

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fryfrog:

but i assumed it was the playback buffer?

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fryfrog:

not the backend's record buffer

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Juski:

I dunno.. don't use HD so I've never played with it

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Juski:

maybe ask in #mythtv

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fryfrog:

i just done did that :)

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fryfrog:

i guess i can change it and see what happens :)

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stuarta:

and those who are awake haven't got an answer...

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stuarta:

fryfrog: that's the best option...

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Juski:

heh. what's the worst that can happen? :-P

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fryfrog:

the worst? I imagine I might start WWIII

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fryfrog:

oops, i mean WWIV :)

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Juski:

bah dammit my personal webspace can't host scripts that are any use

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fryfrog:

crap, WWV

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fryfrog:

I forgot about the "War on Terror" and the "War on Drugs" :p

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Juski:

no php, only stupid lamerscript

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Juski:

might be time to seek out a proper hosticle.. mo' money

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Juski:

deeply pissed off today. mrs wifey got way too drunk last night, is very ill so has scupperred the surprises I had in store for tonight, in light of me not being in town on our wedding anniversary. bah!#

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fryfrog:

Juski: does it do .htaccess and cgi?

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Juski:

fryfrog: nope

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Juski:

no executable files at all

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Juski:

keeps their admin down I guess

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stuarta:

security. php is notoriously insecure

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Juski:

hmm I'm bored. Maybe I should tinker with that dvb radio export script

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frankrizzo:

i told myth tv to delete a whole bunch of recordings, and it removed them all from the "watch recordings" screen, but they never got deleted. I checked my jobs and it had some queued jobs that occured in the past. I got rid of those, but no luck still. After I cleared the jobs, NEW deletions worked. Any ideas?

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stuarta:

Juski: sounds good to me...

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Juski:

it'd either be that or release my 2.0 themes, and the dvb radio script doesn't involve bashing html

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wega_:

anyone out there know how i can run jfs_fsck at boot time? do i have to rcompile the kernel?

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stuarta:

wega_: your distro should do it for you if required

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wega_:

automatically?

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wega_:

its fc4 btw

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stuarta:

yup

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wega_:

that doesnt happen

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stuarta:

i assume you've installed the appropriate utilities?

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wega_:

if my pc shutsdown in a not so graceful way, it reboots and i have a problem with my jfs fs, then i reboot to get networking, putty over, run jfs_fsck, then reboot and voila everything works again

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wega_:

i want to automate this process so that on the first reboot everything is fine

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stuarta:

is the fs marked to be check in the fstab?

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wega_:

no

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wega_:

i guess that is where i need to put it. i figured there was a script

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wega_:

didnt think it woul dbe fstab though

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stuarta:

the scripts look at the settings in fstab to determine if they should fsck

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Juski:

if you shut your system down in a less than graceful way, not even fsck will save your ass in some cases

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stuarta:

things like removable drives aren't marked to be check, but normal fs should be

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wega_:

i know but that is jfs's downfall no?

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stuarta:

i find it hard to believe that the distro wouldn't attempt to fsck the drive....

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wega_:

well how would you explain it never healing itself

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wega_:

and then once i do it everything is fine

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wega_:

you know what i mean?

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Juski:

maybe its fstab option is set to never check at boot time

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wega_:

maybe it is the fact that fc4 doesnt come with jfs and utils

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stuarta:

yep, know exactly what you mean.

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stuarta:

wega_: so you had to hand install the utils?

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wega_:

indeed

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Juski:

personally I think ext3 is just fine

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wega_:

too late now though for ext3 :(

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wega_:

too many shows :)

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stuarta:

okay, so go to /etc/init.d and find the script that runs fsck

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Juski:

but enough of that.. fs wars get as bad as distrowars

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wega_:

well i couldnt hold my own in any battle of that nature :)

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stuarta:

and try adjusting that so it runs jfs.fsck when necessary.

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wega_:

plenty of files in here

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wega_:

but this is a directory for various boot taks then?

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Juski:

damn. can't pipe the output of ffmpeg into anything

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stuarta:

it's where most of the scripts that start and run services lice...

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stuarta:

Juski: found a good option for ffmpeg -acodec copy. Just copies the stream through

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Juski:

stuarta: yeah but it messes up my free space calc

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Juski:

unless I just bodge that & go worst case

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Juski:

yeh that'd be good enough

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stuarta:

the autoexpirer is going to make sure there is enough space anyway

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stuarta:

at least in the recording directory

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Juski:

hang on.. would the autoexpirer expire streams that've been converted with this tool?

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Juski:

or just recordings?

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stuarta:

only recordings.

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wega_:

alright what command can i use to scan the contents of all the files in a directory for a specific pattern

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stuarta:

grep

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wega_:

with a '8' for filename?

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wega_:

'*' is what i meant

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stuarta:

yup

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wega_:

ok

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Juski:

ahh bugger. there's no recordedfileprefix in 0.19

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Juski:

oops. hostname in the script was wrong

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wega_:

stuarta: there is a file named 'functions' in /ect/init.d that has a function named passed() whose comment is "Log that something passed, but may have had error. Useful for fsk"

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wega_:

the only other occurences are in a file named 'halt'

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Juski:

gone is the free space check & the need for endtime

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Juski:

and it seems ffmpeg uses 64k if you don't tell it a bitrate. arse

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Juski:

input bitrate == 256kbits

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stuarta:

yeah, that's what -acodec copy is good for. tells it to just copy the audio stream

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Juski:

wooo

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Juski:

sorted

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Juski:

be nice to have a bitrate override too

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Neeesat25:

Juski are you around?

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Juski:

nope

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Ace2016:

hi all

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Ace2016:

can someone help me to set up my tv card

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Neeesat25:

Juski are you running fluxbox?

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stuarta:

Juski: or at least a max bitrate setting..

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Ace2016:

lspci showed this: 00:0b.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt848 Video Capture (rev 12)

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frankrizzo1985:

hey, what do you have your bitrate set to for recording from regulard cable?

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Juski:

Neeesat25: can't rememember

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Neeesat25:

Desktop manager?

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Juski:

Neeesat25: none

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frankrizzo1985:

i changed my settings and they are too high, but I want to know what the default it

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Neeesat25:

how do you run mythtv? FB?

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Juski:

frankrizzo1985: turn em down til you can't take the crappyness anymore, then turn em up a bit

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Juski:

Neeesat25: minimyth. can't remember what wm it uses

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frankrizzo1985:

i was trying to avoid that by just seeing what you guys used

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Juski:

frankrizzo1985: I use 2mbps IIRC

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Juski:

720x576.. good enough for most stuff

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frankrizzo1985:

thanks

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wega_:

how can i force fsck at boot time? ftab?

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Juski:

wega_: man fstab

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wega_:

ok thanks

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Neeesat25:

I am starting x with a script in /etc/init.d/ with a simple command startx but keyboard does not work. I have to kill x and start it again to have my keyboard back

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wega_:

stuarta made me think that might be a bad idea

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stuarta:

i did? i was trying to persuade you it was a good idea....

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wega_:

oh i thought you were trying to keep me from doing double duty and therefore some type of damage

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Juski:

wega_: what might also be a good idea is stop your system being shut down unceremoniously so often

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wega_:

agreed

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wega_:

i need an ups

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wega_:

i know this and i also need an easy way of shutting down the pc through lirc possibly

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Juski:

see the mythtv wiki & the -users ML for that

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Juski:

though if it's just a frontend you can enable the shutdown option in the menus

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wega_:

its both. i am a poor man

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Juski:

haha. I'm hardly rich either

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Juski:

though I'd have more money if I didn't have to leave a 120W PC on 24/7

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wega_:

indeed :)

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wega_:

and if i could stop drinking good beer that would save me some $$$

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Juski:

I'd rather that than have to wait even longer for my frontend to boot up though

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Juski:

gonna go see if the mrs is alive yet...

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wega_:

so the last column on the jfs line in fstab is the fsck flag

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wega_:

set that to one

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wega_:

now the question will be that since i had to install jfs and utils manually, will that work

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|Torg|:

the last culumn is th pass flag, not the dump flag

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wega_:

from man "if the sixth field is not present or zero, a value of zero is returned and fsck will assume that the filesystem does not need to be checked"

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|Torg|:

sorta

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|Torg|:

if the last field is not zero it will check it in order of its prefernce

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|Torg|:

0 1 is usually your root

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|Torg|:

0 1 would be like var, opt or usr

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|Torg|:

err 0 2

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|Torg|:

the 5th is wehter to dump it or not, in most cases you dont need it

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wega_:

what does being dumped have to do with fsck

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|Torg|:

depending on filesystem it can effect how fsck works

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stuarta:

wega_: absolutely nothing

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stuarta:

not these days anyway.

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phyber:

Hi. Is it possible for me to setup MythTV for just streaming the TV over the network and scheduling recordings using MythWeb? I'm not interested on TV-Out of the PC. Or is there a different MythTV type thing that would be more suited to this.

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|Torg|:

phyber what do you plan on streaming it to?

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phyber:

Windows Media Player, VideoLAN, whatever is usuable, I guess.

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|Torg|:

then yes you can simply install mythbackend and mythweb

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phyber:

cool :)

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Paladine:

bwahahahahaha

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Paladine:

my webcrawler rocks

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wega_:

thanks for helping.....i've solved the problem

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stuarta:

cool

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Paladine:

its mirrored 4500 pages in 20 hours :)

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|Torg|:

umm inst that rather slow

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Paladine:

no it is intentionally slow

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Paladine:

I am doing a very specific crawl and taking care not to throttle the servers I am mirroring

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jams:

Paladine- good

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Paladine:

consecutive connections are 60 seconds apart

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Paladine:

the engine I am using can crawl upto 5 million pages a day

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Paladine:

but it would be somewhat unethical to go that fast

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|Torg|:

why would speed have anything to do with ethics?

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Paladine:

because I am only crawling .ac.uk domains

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Paladine:

which are all academic institutions

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Paladine:

if I was hitting them at full speed I would be throttling them

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|Torg|:

again speed has nothing to do with the ethics of crawling pages

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Paladine:

I am not just crawling, I am mirroing

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Paladine:

mirroring

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|Torg|:

do you hit them at full speed 24/7 continoulsy asking for the same thing over and over?

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Paladine:

I am physically downloading every single page to my server

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|Torg|:

as do I when I go to their pagfe and look though the site thoughly, what ever webmaster wants you to do

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|Torg|:

so I cant see how my clicking on pages faster is any more or less ethical

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Paladine:

well it depends on their webserver configurations

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|Torg|:

you do check for modification times, right?

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Paladine:

and how many consecutive connections they have setup

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Paladine:

if I use up a large number of their available connections I am preventing other people from using those connections

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|Torg|:

then if they have less connections the rational would be to read them faster, not slower

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|Torg|:

the faster you get them adn get off the faster someone else can get them

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stuarta:

|Torg|: have you not heard of a Denial Of Service (DOS) attack?

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|Torg|:

and a guess is you are doing them single threaded, one page or graphic at a time. My broswer does multiple, so who is using more connections?

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stuarta:

|Torg|: an agressive crawler is considered hostile because they cause DOS

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Paladine:

I am not grabbing any graphics

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Paladine:

or css

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Paladine:

or js

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|Torg|:

sure storata, reading web pages is NOT a denial of service attack

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Paladine:

or other junk files

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Paladine:

just the text from the pages

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stuarta:

no, but downloading every page on a site as fast as you can is....

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stuarta:

s/every/lots of/

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|Torg|:

then put up a nobots file

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stuarta:

which bad crawlers ignore

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Paladine:

well I am ignoring robot.txt

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Paladine:

I have my user agent setup as mozilla 4

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Paladine:

soit looks like a real user#

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Paladine:

because I want the actual pages not some preformatted robot.txt

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|Torg|:

the fact you hide who you are is unethical, not the speed at which you read the pages

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Paladine:

no I need to behave as a browser to get the results I want

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Paladine:

this is for an academic research project as part of my studies

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|Torg|:

I wasnt chastizing you, just that I dont agree that cawling a site is unethical, just hiding the fact you are doing it is

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Paladine:

if I wanted robot.txt I could just grab everything from google

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Paladine:

which is what I was originally going to do

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Paladine:

but then there are Intellectual property issues

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Paladine:

and google only returns a maximum of 10000 results

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Paladine:

1000

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|Torg|:

sure if you put it on a website it is in fact published, and I can go read it

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|Torg|:

its the use of that page AFTERWARD that has IP issues

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Paladine:

it isn't going on a website

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|Torg|:

I cant for example reuse your page, or use parts of it in mine

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Paladine:

I am building a search engine of academic resources

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|Torg|:

but I can go read them all day long

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minthome:

hey, anyone useing myth with the pchdtv-5500 card ?

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minthome:

and by default, myth seems to record everything i'm watching. how do i stop that?

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|Torg|:

its only recording it when you watch it so you can pause and rewind tv, it also records what you schedule

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|Torg|:

it is, in fact, one of its main features

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minthome:

ha, good point.

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minthome:

well, since i'm using the hd card, it's extremely slow. wavey images, pauses in video, etc.

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minthome:

2.4 P4, 2Gig RAM

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|Torg|:

are you sure its becase of latency to yoru harddrive?

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stuarta:

that's not a lot of cpu for HD

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|Torg|:

if so there is something seriously wrong with your hardwre or drive

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minthome:

|Torg|, probally. should i tinker with some hdparm settings?

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|Torg|:

id suspect its more an issue of how you are rendering that HD not the drive

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fryfrog:

minthome: what do you mean slow, is it stuttering? literally playing back at half speed?

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mirak:

on the PVR 150 the infrared receiver for remote, and the ir blaster are connected on the PCI card ?

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|Torg|:

minthome, no im telling you that you are probbly looking at the worng speed, even a misconfigured harddrive can keep up with HD

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minthome:

fryfrog, no, the images are wavey, literally. And yeah, it studders

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minthome:

|Torg|, wrong speed for what? the harddrive?

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|Torg|:

minthome do you deinterlace your video? and/or are you playing it on a progressive scna monitor (like a PC monitor)?

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minthome:

i was up all night working with this thing. the pchdtv 5500 card is kinda strange.

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|Torg|:

yes your harddrive is multiple times faster then what it needs to record HD

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minthome:

|Torg|, no i'm watching it on a 42" Sony Rear projection

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fryfrog:

HD?

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minthome:

via vga cable

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minthome:

yes

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|Torg|:

the "wavy" part sounds like interlacing

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fryfrog:

do you have "deinterlacing" turned on, like they are asking?

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Paladine:

hey no cursing in this channel :p

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Paladine:

Sony is a curse word :p

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minthome:

i'm not sure how to deinterlace the video...

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|Torg|:

its an option unre playback settings

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minthome:

lol Paladine, sawrys

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fryfrog:

its in the "playback" settings i think

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minthome:

ok, lemme go check it out, bbi5m

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fryfrog:

what do you think, HT on or off on a dual xeon?

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fryfrog:

older, 2.4ghz one

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stuarta:

no reason to turn it off

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|Torg|:

while were ont eh subject any idea why XvMC while taking load off the CPU screws up auido so greatly

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minthome:

fryfrog, yeah, one of the cheap 2.4's

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minthome:

:(

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|Torg|:

so I take it noone here used XvMC :P

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Honk^away:

i'm using it :P

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Honk^away:

and i've got no problems whatsoever =)

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|Torg|:

what video card do yo have?

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minthome:

should i keep the Preferref MPEG2 Decoder as Standard?

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|Torg|:

thats what Im trying to figure out, logic would tell you no, to go use XvMC, in pratice ffmepg works better

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|Torg|:

I suspect its a driver/video card issue

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minthome:

i'm using a geforce 6600gt card

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** minthome needs to catch up to reading the wiki **

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minthome:

it's strange, i'm in south jersey, with comcast, and when i start tvtime, i can watch all my standard channels, but I cannot for the life of me get mythtv to find those channels :(

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|Torg|:

I have a 5900 and it does not seem to work well with XvMC

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minthome:

standard XvMC or VIA?

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|Torg|:

standard, you dont have a via

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minthome:

any idea why i can't get standard NTSC to scan?

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|Torg|:

is your card capable of standard NTSC, you said earlier you had na HD card the two are not the same

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minthome:

|Torg| http://www.pchdtv.com/hd_5500.html

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minthome:

# Cost effective ATSC/NTSC TV reception card

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minthome:

# All-software HDTV decoder

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minthome:

# Supports all 18 ATSC compliant digital formats

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minthome:

# Supports unencrypted QAM 64 and QAM 256 Cable signals

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minthome:

well, Standard XvMC works fine for me, still got the choppylaggy playback though

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|Torg|:

it looks like it should

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minthome:

like i said, if i ope tvtime, it works fine

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|Torg|:

teh choppy playback I got specifcly when using XvMC, when I switched to ffmpeg it works fine

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minthome:

lemme try, brb again

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|Torg|:

did you scan the NTSC frequencies?

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minthome:

|Torg|, yes, as far as i knew how..

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minthome:

and i don't have ffmpeg, just libmpeg

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|Torg|:

yes use libmpeg

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minthome:

"If you have less than a 2.8 Mhz machine, you may need to use XvMC to watch 1080i content, but if your machine is powerful enough to display 1080i without XvMC it is best avoided."

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minthome:

*sigh*

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minthome:

|Torg|, i couldn't tell a difference either way

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|Torg|:

the only other thing I can tell you then is to check your alsa setup as well as direct rendering of your nvidia card

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minthome:

heh, yeah, i don't even have alsa setup yet

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Paladine:

dri only works with the beta drivers afaik

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|Torg|:

you sure Paladine, Im using 8778 and without the dri I get the same issue minthome does

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minthome:

what drivers are we talking about? nvidias?

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Paladine:

I am not certain, but I know that for xgl/beryl/compiz et al dri will not work unless you have the beta drivers

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Paladine:

you can check with glx-info

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Paladine:

see if it says direct rendering yes/no

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Paladine:

my understanding was the old drivers don't register dri with xorg, they do it internally

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|Torg|:

yes it works with 8778

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Paladine:

it might just be a beryl/compiz thing then

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|Torg|:

I know they do it internal, that is correct

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Paladine:

xgl/compiz even

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Paladine:

since itruns a second xserver ontop of xorg

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|Torg|:

I also dont run xorg I find it highly unstable

[16:35:09]

Paladine:

I have never had any issues with xorg

[16:35:17]

Paladine:

I am running two xservers as wespeak

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Paladine:

one with xinerama, one without

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Paladine:

simultaneously

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minthome:

[root@mythmint dvb-atsc-tools-1.0.3]# glxinfo | grep dir

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minthome:

direct rendering: No

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|Torg|:

go reinstall your video driver

[16:38:13]

Paladine:

minthome, are you running the nvidia drivers or vesa/nv ?

[16:38:19]

minthome:

nvidia drivers

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Paladine:

are you loading glx and dri in your xorg.conf?

[16:38:48]

|Torg|:

you cant load dri with the nvidia drivers

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|Torg|:

that or GLcore

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minthome:

right

[16:39:03]

minthome:

my dri is hashed out

[16:39:10]

Paladine:

but glxis loading right?

[16:39:40]

minthome:

just glx

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Paladine:

k

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roz:

my XV is screwed up. Xorg 7.1, and ATI. The perspective is wrong, and the video is cropped, in both mplayer and myth. I can fix the problem in mplayer by doing the following: mplayer -vo gl. can I do the same thing for mythtv somehow?

[16:39:56]

Paladine:

you running regular xorg or you running xgl/beryl?

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minthome:

should i insert Load glxis ?

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|Torg|:

glx

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|Torg|:

Paladine's typing is as good as mine :P

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minthome:

oh, heh... i see, missin space glx glxis

[16:41:13]

Paladine:

I have a wireless keyboard and I type to fast for space to register sometimes

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minthome:

right on.

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|Torg|:

I just type poorly and dont spell all the great either

[16:42:06]

minthome:

|Torg|, your glxinfo shows direct rendering on?

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|Torg|:

yes

[16:42:16]

minthome:

hum...

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|Torg|:

what driver/version are you using?

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minthome:

eh, maybe a stupid question, but how do i determine that?

[16:43:12]

Paladine:

aren't your drivers the new ones torg? with xorg 7.1 support and dri?

[16:43:36]

|Torg|:

no I still use 8774

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|Torg|:

I run XFree86 and 8774 drivers

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Paladine:

oh I thought you said you were using 8778

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|Torg|:

rember my typing skills :P

[16:44:02]

|Torg|:

there isnt a 8778 afaik

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Paladine:

hehehe

[16:44:05]

minthome:

I'm using 8774

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GreyFoxx:

8776 and a beta 9xxx

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Paladine:

Ihave been thinking of upgrading to the beta drivers

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Paladine:

from what I can see from others they are very stable despite being beta

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|Torg|:

I have 9626 but they are kinda unstable, I was thinking of playing with them

[16:45:16]

** GreyFoxx is runnng 7676 **

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Paladine:

I know a lot of people using them for aiglx and they love em

[16:46:03]

minthome:

Timing cached reads: 2144 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1072.06 MB/sec

[16:46:03]

minthome:

Timing buffered disk reads: 102 MB in 3.05 seconds = 33.45 MB/sec

[16:46:10]

minthome:

hum...

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|Torg|:

whats your question?

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minthome:

that's pretty fast as far as I can tell. right?

[16:46:44]

minthome:

just wondering again, if it's anything to do with the hd writes

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|Torg|:

read speed != write speed

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|Torg|:

not even close

[16:47:36]

minthome:

i used hdparm for that

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|Torg|:

but you do know your HDTV is about 2MB/sec, right?

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|Torg|:

even a floppy disk would work, well if it were bigger

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Paladine:

would be noisy as hell though :p

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Paladine:

I can't even remember the last machine I had which had a floppy disk in it

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Kelerion:

afternoon all

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|Torg|:

I put them in all my boxes I get pissy when I cant flash bios becase I have to burn a while 1M to a DVD :P

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Paladine:

I flashed my bios when I had windows installed, which used an app to flash from within windows

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|Torg|:

you want to install windows on your myth box just to flash the bios?

[16:50:27]

Kelerion:

Juski, you about?

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Paladine:

no, but I don't need to flash my bios either

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Paladine:

I already flashed it with the correct bios for my system

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|Torg|:

I had to fix my bios for an ACPI problem

[16:51:04]

minthome:

I'm running bonnie++ -u mintee -d /tmp -s3500

[16:51:13]

granbart:

Hey. I'm having some trouble configuring ~/.mythtv/lircrc. When I choose prog=mplayer, the buttons don't work when watching movies. What am I doing wrong?

[16:51:49]

Juski:

Kelerion: only just

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Kelerion:

mplayer uses ~/lircrc or something... just link it

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Juski:

mplayer uses ~/.lircrc ;-)

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Kelerion:

yeah.. that one.. lol

[16:52:44]

Kelerion:

Juski, everything set?

[16:52:44]

Juski:

so mr K how's stuff?

[16:52:44]

granbart:

aha

[16:52:50]

granbart:

Of course :D

[16:52:52]

granbart:

thanks

[16:53:18]

Juski:

Kelerion: errr... just got some meeja to copy then I'm done. First I need to find a home for 160GB of fat32

[16:53:21]

Kelerion:

everything is set here... have even written a list of things I need to pull apart... and I hate lists.. lol

[16:53:42]

Juski:

could you email me your mobile no. please? just-in-case

[16:53:53]

Kelerion:

will do

[16:53:58]

Juski:

cool

[16:54:00]

D-side:

tomorrow the big day?

[16:54:13]

Juski:

you ok for mains leads/4-way thingies?

[16:54:15]

roz:

is there an mplayer config file for mythtv?"

[16:54:16]

Paladine:

whats happening?

[16:54:19]

Paladine:

anything interesting?

[16:54:23]

Juski:

naw not til Tuesday but we're organised

[16:54:36]

Juski:

www.mythtvtalk.com – see the LinuxExpo linky

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|Torg|:

did you get your slide finsihed?

[16:55:10]

Paladine:

you guys have a stand at linuxworld?

[16:55:13]

Juski:

hell yeah

[16:55:14]

jduggan:

can you get DVI->HDMI cables?

[16:55:22]

jduggan:

i mean adaptors

[16:55:23]

minthome:

jduggan, yes

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Juski:

jduggan: personally?

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Paladine:

howmuch did that set you back?

[16:55:32]

|Torg|:

yes and the other way too :P

[16:55:50]

jduggan:

Juski: i meant, are they on the market, for my dvi out to my hdmi in on my HDTV

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Kelerion:

Juski, sent

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jduggan:

specifically, where in the UK can i get one

[16:56:07]

|Torg|:

jduggan yes I have three in fact

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Juski:

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Paladine:

sweet dude

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Juski:

cheers Kelerion

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Paladine:

olympia is a huge venue

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Paladine:

i was there for ispcon back in 2001

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jduggan:

Juski: any idea where i can get one of these adaptors that i need?

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Paladine:

if Iwasn't broke and it wasn't at the other end of the country, I would come by and say hello

[16:58:26]

Juski:

jduggan: any _good_ computer/audio/video store

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Juski:

i.e. if it's a real good un it'll stock em

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jduggan:

you reckon curry's would sell them

[16:59:10]

Juski:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[16:59:15]

Juski:

jduggan: any _good_ computer/audio/video store

[16:59:19]

jduggan:

yea

[16:59:22]

Juski:

currys != good

[16:59:25]

jduggan:

but where i live there's no such store :)

[16:59:29]

Juski:

[16:59:34]

jduggan:

lol

[16:59:38]

jduggan:

sounds right

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|Torg|:

for that much il ship you one of mine :P

[16:59:53]

jduggan:

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jduggan:

from curry's :O

[17:00:33]

jduggan:

hmm, i wonder if ebuyer sell them

[17:00:51]

|Torg|:

http://www.tvcables.co.uk/cgi-bin/tvcables/sc . . . =Cables.html

[17:00:58]

|Torg|:

there google is your friend

[17:01:08]

Juski:

try www.nec-cables.co.uk

[17:01:37]

jduggan:

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Paladine:

juski is spreadshirt better than cafepress?

[17:01:52]

Juski:

http://www.northeastcables.co.uk/home.asp

[17:02:15]

Paladine:

looks like the logos can be much bigger than the cafepress ones

[17:02:21]

roz:

is ther any way to make Mythtv use GL video output? my XV is broken.

[17:02:27]

Juski:

Paladine: off the record, Spreadshirt are fucking expensive

[17:02:55]

Juski:

on the record, buy our forum t-shirts!

[17:02:56]

Paladine:

I have a cafepress shop but I have never been impressed with their shirts

[17:02:59]

Paladine:

the logos are too small

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Juski:

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Juski:

nothing short of extortion

[17:03:45]

Paladine:

is that with your margin on top though?

[17:03:55]

Paladine:

cos cafepress are not cheap if you want a decent margin

[17:03:56]

Zider:

bloody hell.. alittle bloody diode is all that keeps my ir receiver from working..and it costs like $0,1.. but I have to go 50km to get one.. :(

[17:04:06]

Paladine:

I only have a £1 margin on all my cafepress items

[17:05:58]

Paladine:

http://www.cafepress.com/dvdrcore <- my cafepress shop :)

[17:06:26]

granbart:

Would anybody look at this /etc/lircrc file? It doesn't work :(

[17:06:29]

granbart:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/w7v6qZ53.html

[17:06:40]

Juski:

Paladine: I dunno what the margin is but it's not much either

[17:06:58]

Paladine:

actually my margin is only $1 not £1 hehehe

[17:07:01]

Juski:

I mean who would want a mythtvtalk thong?

[17:07:18]

stuarta:

ew

[17:07:29]

Juski:

exactly

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|Torg|:

put Paladine in one :P

[17:07:39]

Juski:

on the stand.. hahaha

[17:07:42]

Juski:

or maybe not

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Juski:

we might all end up with PTSD

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stuarta:

EW

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Paladine:

I love my torrent hash image on the back of my shirts

[17:08:38]

Juski:

so Kelerion .. d'ya have enough mains adapters & cack?

[17:09:16]

Juski:

I think some mythtv tshirts with the logo nice & big on the front, then some output of a failed compile on the back

[17:09:38]

Juski:

something obvious like no qt headers...

[17:09:47]

minthome:

http://pastebin.ca/213798

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|Torg|:

how about mythtv tshits with distccmon output on the back showing it compiling :P

[17:10:34]

Kelerion:

Juski, yeah... bringing a couple of 6-gangs :)

[17:11:01]

Kelerion:

what time did you say you were getting there?

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Kelerion:

1:30?

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|Torg|:

minthome what did you want to know about that?

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minthome:

is that slow?

[17:12:29]

minthome:

is there anything i can do about the speed

[17:12:43]

mirak:

does the nexus CA or techno trend are doing mpeg2 capture from analog signal ?

[17:12:45]

|Torg|:

put in a faster array? what do you find wrong with it?

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minthome:

|Torg|, i'm not sure... just trying to rule out that it's my harddrive ;)

[17:14:13]

Juski:

Kelerion: yeah about 1.30 ish. train comes in about 1.10pm but I need to account for getting across town

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|Torg|:

minthome, se the part that says "mythmint 3500M 20631 64 26567 18"

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|Torg|:

notice those are in K/s

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|Torg|:

your HDTV is about 10% of that, so your drives are 10x too fast

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minthome:

yay

[17:15:20]

minthome:

ok

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|Torg|:

of couse you just ran a fake read/write test on it so you have to consider its not 100% accurate

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minthome:

|Torg|, no, bonnie++ isn't a fake readwrite

[17:16:17]

|Torg|:

but even if its only 50% accurate your disks are so much faster as to make the acuracy of the test irelivant

[17:16:45]

|Torg|:

I know what bonnie is

[17:16:49]

minthome:

do i just need to install ffmpeg and myth will pick it up.

[17:17:37]

minthome:

nevermind

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granbart:

So how do I configure lirc for snes9x? Is that done inside mythtv config?

[17:30:49]

jams:

granbart- if it can be done, it would not have anything myth config related

[17:31:16]

granbart:

aha. okay

[17:31:25]

jams:

all myth does is start snes9x, after that its up to lirc and snes

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minthome:

hum..

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minthome:

[root@mythmint dvb-atsc-tools-1.0.3]# ./dtvsignal /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 44

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minthome:

failed opening /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0

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Paladine:

torg, this is what the search engine is for

[17:48:23]

Paladine:

http://www.paladine.org.uk/UCSN-Plan.txt

[17:49:42]

Kelerion:

Juski, just remembered... am gonna have to go buy a new case tomorrow now.. lol

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cyberkn1:

Hey all.

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cyberkn1:

I am having a bit of trouble getting mythtv to access my PVR-150. I have verified the card works by dumping /dev/video to an mpg file and playing it with mplayer. The logs from mythfrontend says this: NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: /var/lib/mythtv//1012_20061021135943.mpg

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xq:

Hi! I don't get my CAM to work :( .. The backend says "DVB#0 CA Error: Failed to initialize CI handler" .. any ideas?

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daedalus_:

My mythfrontend crashes on startup. I'm using 0.20 on MacOSX 10.3.9 (Panther)

[18:10:33]

daedalus_:

Is there any known fix?

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xzcvczx:

daedalus_: are there any errors?

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daedalus_:

xzcvczx, It throws a KERNEL_PROTECTION_FAILURE code (EXC_BAD_ACCESS exception)

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cyberkn1:

Also there is this error in the log : AFD Error: Could not find codec parameters.file was "/var/lib/mythtv//1012_20061021140725.mpg".

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daedalus_:

xzcvczx: Is there a pastebin that I should drop the Crash Report into?

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xzcvczx:

daedalus_: i dunno much about macosx but does your mythtv user have access to your video device?

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Ediehow:

HELP

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Ediehow:

why is it on my listings on zap2it.com i don't have a channel selected

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Ediehow:

but it shows up under myth listings?

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daedalus_:

xzcvczx: I had 0.19 mythfrontend working on this computer before. Would the update to 0.20 have changed my need for that?

[18:17:29]

megaman12:

hi all...i was here late last night asking about how to scan dvb-s channels? im new to mythtv, can anyone help

[18:18:05]

megaman12:

im using ubuntu with nexus card on mythtv 0.18

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xzcvczx:

daedalus_: hmm i doubt it

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xzcvczx:

daedalus_: try deleting the plist for it?

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Kelerion:

wrong X

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Ediehow:

why does myth think i have channels that i don't?

[18:23:40]

Ediehow:

zap2it doesn't list them

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phyber:

how can I make the MythTV compile script look for the QT libs in /usr/lib/qt/lib (I'm looking for a way to make the script use a -L for that path)

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xzcvczx:

probably somewhere in ./configure --help

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megaman12:

anyone here can help with channel listing of dvbs? i got mythtv to work but don't know how to scan for channels (nilesat)

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phyber:

heh. the libdir thing in ./configure is special

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phyber:

-DLIBDIR=\"/usr/local//usr/lib/qt/lib\"

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phyber:

;)

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megaman12:

no one knows how to scan cnahhels :(

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Ediehow:

AH!

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minthome:

meh... http://pchdtv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9061#9061

[18:36:48]

minthome:

and the waiting begins

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dtm:

phyber: you need to set QTDIR

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Ediehow:

i only selected certain channels from my zap2it listing

[18:37:00]

Ediehow:

so WHY is channel editor showing ones i did not choose?

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dtm:

phyber: the build system bases EVERYTHIGN off of that

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Ediehow:

i am using satellite

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Ediehow:

and i ONLY want the channels from the listing i have

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phyber:

dtm: thanks :)

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megaman12:

Ediehow: how did you get the channels?? i want to scan nilesat and it does not have any xmltv listing??

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Ediehow:

oh ok, i fixed it

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Ediehow:

megaman12: do you use cable tv?

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Ediehow:

or satellite?

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phyber:

dtm: awesome, thanks. I'd forgotten to source /etc/profile.d/qt.sh after installing qt ;)

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megaman12:

sat

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megaman12:

Ediehow: satellite

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Ediehow:

did you do a listing on labs.zap2it.com?

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Ediehow:

dtm: do you use satellite?

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megaman12:

no

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Ediehow:

medwards: why not?

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Ediehow:

megaman12: ?

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megaman12:

Ediehow: im using satellite, and i did not do a listing on zap2it

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Ediehow:

megaman12: yes, why not?

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megaman12:

Ediehow: dont know, thought it does not have any info about nilesat...!!

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Ediehow:

what is nilesat?

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Ediehow:

a satellite service?

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Ediehow:

out of where?

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megaman12:

Ediehow: main satellite in Egypt

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Ediehow:

oh, that makes sense:)

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Ediehow:

let me see

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megaman12:

Ediehow: so i need to scan my channels manually :(

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megaman12:

Ediehow: ok

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Ediehow:

yeah, i put in cairo and no go

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megaman12:

Ediehow: ya, its not covered anywhere

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Ediehow:

well, for satellite you don't need to worry about frequency, as far as i know

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megaman12:

Ediehow: can i use the channels ,conf from vdr

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Ediehow:

you just have to manuall put in the channels

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Ediehow:

get all the channel numbers and put them in the channel editor, i bet

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megaman12:

Ediehow: u mean that i have to add all 50 channels names??

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Ediehow:

i'm not sure you have to add a name

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Ediehow:

just put the digit

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Ediehow:

do you have an ir blaster?

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dtm:

Ediehow: no satellite

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dtm:

phyber: yeah i've done that! much grief ensued.

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Paladine:

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4189/upgraderamqa3.jpg

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dtm:

phyber: hence my quick answer ;)

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jstew:

Hi. I compiled mythtv with disable-oss, and now I'm not gettign sound. Per ./configure output alsa is enabled

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jstew:

my sound device is set to /dev/dsp

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jstew:

and I can get sound through /dev/dsp. Any ideas?

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makomk:

jstew: I think you want to set it to alsa:default (or something like that); /dev/dsp means OSS sound.

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jstew:

Ok

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cyberkn1:

Can someone help me fix this error: AFD Error: Could not find codec parameters. file was "/var/lib/mythtv//1012_20061021140725.mpg". It is causing LiveTV to not work. I have a PVR-150 and i have checked that it works.

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xzcvczx:

cyberkn1: did you try deleting the plist?

[19:01:22]

xzcvczx:

for it

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hatred is now known as hatredx

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cyberkn1:

xzcvczx: This is on linux not Mac

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xzcvczx:

oh ok

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xzcvczx:

sorry same error someone was having on mac

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cyberkn1:

xzcvczx: I wish it was that easy.. :-)

[19:03:04]

xzcvczx:

actually ignore me

[19:03:10]

xzcvczx:

its 8am in the morning

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xzcvczx:

what version are you using

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xzcvczx:

as if you google it that got thrown around the mailing list a lot

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cyberkn1:

xzcvczx: 0.20

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Paladine:

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9812/awifelb8.jpg

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xzcvczx:

lol Paladine

[19:07:29]

Paladine:

dangerously amusing

[19:07:46]

Paladine:

dangerous in the sense of if you missus seesit you are genitally endangered

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xzcvczx:

lol yeah

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Paladine:

did you see the other one I posted?

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xzcvczx:

or just genitally neglected

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xzcvczx:

nope

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Paladine:

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4189/upgraderamqa3.jpg

[19:08:17]

Paladine:

uber cute

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xzcvczx:

lol

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Paladine:

that one is getting printed and put on my office door :)

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Paladine:

but not the beer one ;)

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Paladine:

or we won't be having any more kids I suspect

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cyberkn1:

heh.. i think i could find a use for that one at work

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Paladine:

the beer one?

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Ediehow:

hi

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Ediehow:

how do i output something that usually goes to a text file to the screne?

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Ediehow:

it expects -l foo.conf

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cyberkn1:

Paladine: nah the cat one

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minthome:

so, ya like kittys eh? --> http://shadowdane.shackspace.com/cats.htm

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minthome:

thus being my favorite http://shadowdane.shackspace.com/cats_files/cookie.jpg

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Zider:

yeah :)

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Zider:

too bad on the crappy texts tho

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cyberkn1:

heh

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Ediehow:

nm

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JoeyJoeJo:

does anyone have any idea why my mythweb is just coming up as php code and not a real page?

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scopeuk:

php not setup correctly

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JoeyJoeJo:

well, I added the php module and addhandler to my httpd.conf.. what else do I have to do?

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scopeuk:

ok go to your web server route

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scopeuk:

createa file called test.php

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JoeyJoeJo:

ok

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scopeuk:

put <?php phpinfo() ?> into that file

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scopeuk:

think thats th right function let me double check

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fiveiron:

when getting the channel icons, do you remove all the channels from lyngsat.txt except the ones you want?

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scopeuk:

JoeyJoeJo yeh it is

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scopeuk:

the go to a computer and navigate to http://yourserver/test.php

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JoeyJoeJo:

ok, I just did that, but I'm still seeing the code

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scopeuk:

ok then php isent corectly configured

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minthome:

no, apache isn't configured properly

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JoeyJoeJo:

ok, I think I just found what I have to do in the gentoo wiki

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scopeuk:

ok

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minthome:

AddType application/x-httpd-php .php

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minthome:

add that to your httpd.conf, and make sure your are loading the php45 module

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minthome:

then HUP apache ie; apachectl restart

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JoeyJoeJo:

minthome: I tried it, but still nothing

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HeMan:

Hi! Can I do different LIRC-mappings in different parts of mythtv?

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scopeuk:

JoeyJoeJo then the phph module must not be loads

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scopeuk:

loaded*

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JoeyJoeJo:

I've got the line LoadModule php5_module modules/libphp5.so

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JoeyJoeJo:

is that not right?

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JoeyJoeJo:

also in my /etc/conf.d/apache file I have the line APACHE2_OPTS="-D DEFAULT_VHOST -D PHP5"

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JoeyJoeJo:

the thing is that I'm using apache 1.3

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JoeyJoeJo:

should it be APACHE1_OPTS?

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scopeuk:

possibly

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scopeuk:

try it "whats the worst that cna happen"

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awilkins:

stuarta: Hello there, it's me again ; I'm recording a stream from ITV4 ; the way it's coming out, mplayer thinks that the video stream is PID 33 (it's 600) and there's no audio stream.

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awilkins:

stuarta: If I just cat /dev/dvb/adaper0/dvr0 to a file, mplayer will play that back just fine. The stream is too small for the video it's representing, but it's still pretty large.

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stuarta:

i recorded the f1 gp qualifying earlier and it was okay..

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awilkins:

stuarta: Is there any diagnostic test I can do to see what is happening?

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fish_:

btw: whats with lighttpd? do mythtv works on that?

[20:03:38]

fish_:

s/mythtv/mythweb/

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stuarta:

awilkins: does the stream playback in myth okay?

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Igg-man:

Where can I set the source that mytharchive tries to copy the files from? It keeps trying to copy my files from / (instead of the media directory)

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awilkins:

stuarta: No, I just get a black screen with a very small "chromakey" coloured box in the bottom right hand corner. It's the same appearance as when the likes of CBeebies goes off the air.

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stuarta:

all the time, or does it go away when the program start? i FF'd a bit and it found the video okay

[20:06:12]

awilkins:

stuarta: THe stream plays, but it's black all the way through

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Paladine:

http://www.tamponcrafts.com/gun.html <- too funny

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awilkins:

stuarta: The size is not big enough by a long shot – it's a 2 hour stream on ITV4 but it's only consuming 1GB of space.

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stuarta:

can you get the output of mythfrontend --verbose siparser,channel,record when attempting to playback the stream.

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Carle4Calder:

where do i put files that i want to watch on mtv?

[20:07:42]

Carle4Calder:

mythtv*

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JoeyJoeJo:

I've got a DB backup from myth .19 and mysql 4. How do I restore that backup for mythtv .20 and mysql 5?

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** awilkins wibbles with command line params. **

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GreyFoxx:

Carle4Calder: Install and configure mythvideo

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GreyFoxx:

place the files whereever you tellmythvideo to look

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Carle4Calder:

is mythvideo installed when knoppmyth is?

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GreyFoxx:

I can only assume it is since I've never used knoppmyth

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GreyFoxx:

it probably is

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scopeuk:

yes

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scopeuk:

it is

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GreyFoxx:

they might even preset it to look n a certain dire for you

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scopeuk:

belive it looks in /myth/videos

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Carle4Calder:

hmm do you know what directory

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scopeuk:

or possible /myth/video

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Carle4Calder:

myth/video

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Carle4Calder:

so i just put the files there

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scopeuk:

should do

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scopeuk:

iirc

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Carle4Calder:

in myth/video or myth/video/motion

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scopeuk:

my box is unpluged 50 miles away or id have a look for you

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scopeuk:

video

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scopeuk:

motion is for usigna webcam as a security camemra

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Carle4Calder:

alrighty thanks

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Carle4Calder:

iw ont mess anything up will i

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scopeuk:

no

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Carle4Calder:

worst thing that happens is the video doesnt play, right?

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scopeuk:

yes

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Carle4Calder:

thanks :)

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awilkins:

stuarta: http://pastebin.ca/214033

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jduggan:

yo guys, seen a few 'cheaper' HDTV's for sale which say 'HD ready' but they dont even have HDMI inputs in them, whats that all about?

[20:13:06]

D-side:

theres nothing that says HDTVs have to have HDMI ports.

[20:13:20]

D-side:

so long as its got component ports, thats about it.

[20:13:31]

D-side:

sure it'd be nice if they had dvi and/or hdmi

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jduggan:

oh i thought component was analogue

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D-side:

it is.

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Paladine:

HDTV != Digital

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jduggan:

icic

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Paladine:

HDTV = High Definition

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jduggan:

ok

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jduggan:

nod, yea i know what it stood for, just thought high definition comes through digital signals

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Paladine:

http://www.tamponcrafts.com/gun.html

[20:15:00]

Paladine:

thats so funny

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Carle4Calder:

mythtv can't record satelite, correct?

[20:15:12]

Igg-man:

I found it!

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Paladine:

nythtv can record satelite

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scopeuk:

jduggan ironically in the uk a good analog signal actually produces a better image than the dvb gear

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Paladine:

I use it to record satelite all the time

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jduggan:

scopeuk: icic

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scopeuk:

althoguh emphasis is on the good

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Igg-man:

It's "RecordFilePrefix" in the database. For some reason, this host didn't have that setting, so I set it. Works now

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scopeuk:

a normal signal dvb is better

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Igg-man:

Having the source is awesome

[20:16:19]

awilkins:

scopeuk: You need much more powerful hardware to record analog though.

[20:16:19]

JoeyJoeJo:

I've got a DB backup from myth .19 and mysql 4. How do I restore that backup for mythtv .20 and mysql 5?

[20:16:23]

Carle4Calder:

it can record satelite?

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Paladine:

scopeuk, well digital will be the only choice soon in the UK

[20:16:31]

Carle4Calder:

wow, awesome

[20:16:33]

Paladine:

they are switching off the analog towers

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HeMan:

is there any searchable archive for mythtv-users-maillist?

[20:16:40]

scopeuk:

Paladine yeh

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Carle4Calder:

how do u set it up for satelite? like how will it find listings and everything

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scopeuk:

imho they should knock of analog boost digi power and use soem ofthe analog spectrum to carry digi

[20:17:07]

scopeuk:

more b/w == better pimages

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awilkins:

JoeyJoeJo: mysql -p<password> < myOldBackupFile

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scopeuk:

eg the bandwidth for hd is comming outa someones ass atm

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Paladine:

Carle4Calder, I just run svideo out from my satellite tv set top box into svideo in on my pvr 150 and use RCA audio cables from the box to the card and it works great

[20:17:44]

awilkins:

stuarta: I don't think that log is very helpful either :-)

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JoeyJoeJo:

awilkins: when I did that, then ran mythbackend, it said that it couldn't upgrade the DB schema

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scopeuk:

adante it was windging about xv dont knwo if that has anything to do with anything

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scopeuk:

adante awilkins

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awilkins:

It shouldn't even be whinging about xv, I don't have vx playback on.

[20:18:56]

awilkins:

That's news to me too.

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jduggan:

scopeuk: well im looking for a better quality tv for my mythfrontend and wondered what's the best way to connect it all up, as regards to cabling types to use etc problem is i'd be using two cards, one for receiving tv from skydigital box and one via an analogue aerial, what would you suggest (we dont have dvb in our area as of yet)

[20:19:20]

Paladine:

Carle4Calder, and for like 2 GBP you can build a serial IR Blaster to let MythTV change the channel on your satellite decoder set top box

[20:19:33]

awilkins:

It's not relevant to the issue I'm having though, which is the streams that the backend appears to be recording.

[20:19:50]

jduggan:

Paladine: do you have a good link for building an IR Blaster?

[20:20:01]

Carle4Calder:

hmmm

[20:20:03]

Paladine:

jduggan, svideo for the sky digital box connection

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Carle4Calder:

i think i'll have to come back in here once i get my satelite up lol

[20:20:39]

Carle4Calder:

i dont even know what the satelite uses yet either

[20:20:45]

Paladine:

www.paladine.org.uk/ir_blaster.jpg

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scopeuk:

awilkins well then a playback log will be of no use

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scopeuk:

jduggan svideo is probably about your best bet

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Paladine:

circuit diagram there with the relevent captions

[20:21:00]

Carle4Calder:

i run s-video from the sat to the pvr150?

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Paladine:

yes

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Carle4Calder:

how will mythtv distinguish between cable and sat

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Paladine:

all those parts are available from maplin/.co.uk for < 2.00 GBP too

[20:21:34]

Carle4Calder:

because both come out of my video card

[20:21:36]

jduggan:

scopeuk: what about graphics card to TV? surely dvi->hdmi cable will be better quality?

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Paladine:

maplin.co.uk even

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Paladine:

cos I built one :)

[20:22:18]

Paladine:

what do you mean they come out of your video card?

[20:22:39]

Paladine:

you take an svideo lead and run it from your satellite box to your svideo in port on your pvr150 card

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HeMan:

I have an odd problem, I can record programs with my PVR 150 LP but I can't watch live tv

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scopeuk:

jduggan yes

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scopeuk:

but sat box to pc taht isent an option

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HeMan:

the logfile shows "MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding"

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Carle4Calder:

idunno, i havent set my satelite up yet

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jduggan:

scopeuk: indeed, just out of curiosity how would one pass skyhd to a tv card? are there hd cards with hdmi inputs ?

[20:23:47]

Carle4Calder:

still waiting for it to come

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Paladine:

Carle4Calder, you have a pvr150 right?

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scopeuk:

jduggan if only

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Carle4Calder:

yeah, thats the 2 cards right?

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HeMan:

after that I have to either remove ivtv-driver and reload it again or reboot the machine

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Paladine:

jduggan, svideo again

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scopeuk:

jduggan its currently not possible with consumer level gear

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Carle4Calder:

pvr150 = 2 tuners?

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scopeuk:

no

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scopeuk:

1

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scopeuk:

pvr500 =2

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Paladine:

no pvr500 == dual pvr 150

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Carle4Calder:

ok i dont have a 150 then

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jduggan:

scopeuk: ah ok, im sure that'll change in the near future

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Carle4Calder:

i have a 500

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jduggan:

:)

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scopeuk:

jduggan me not so

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Paladine:

scope, yes it is possible

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Paladine:

svideo will carry a hd signal

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scopeuk:

yes but is there a card that can capture it

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scopeuk:

?

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Carle4Calder:

i just saw an ATI hd card for like $50

[20:25:31]

Carle4Calder:

dunno if it works with mythtv tho

[20:25:32]

Paladine:

there are HD cards yes

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Paladine:

the card doesn't need to work with myth

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Paladine:

it needs to work with linux

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Paladine:

if it works with linux it will work with myth :)

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Carle4Calder:

ati sucks with linux, doesnt it?

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Zider:

ati sucks in general imo ;)

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Paladine:

yes ati is the balls

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scopeuk:

although i have it on authority you can paly ut2004 o nthe ati linux drivers wit hbetter performance than win xp

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HeMan:

could this be pci-latency-related?

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Paladine:

ut2k4 linux build plays better than the windows build generally

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scopeuk:

Paladine never got round to testign it

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Paladine:

even my windows games play better in linux than they do in windows :)

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scopeuk:

even when screwed up by open gl and a compatability layer?

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Paladine:

I get ~30% more FPS playing Need for Speed : Most Wanted in Linux than I do in windows

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jduggan:

hmm, i only ever played q3a and ut2k3 in linux... they play perfect on an nvidia card

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jduggan:

wow, nfs in linux?

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scopeuk:

dont currently have the nvidia drivers installedon my linux partition

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jduggan:

native? or ran through winex or smth

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Paladine:

via cedega yes

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scopeuk:

its seriouslt screwed atm as it stands

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Carle4Calder:

Paladine can you check your PM?

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Paladine:

I don't have a pm

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jduggan:

cedega?

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Carle4Calder:

:O

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Paladine:

you have to be registered to send pm's on freenode

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Carle4Calder:

oh

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Carle4Calder:

sry

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Paladine:

cedega is a branch of wine (previously known as winex)

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jduggan:

ah right

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Carle4Calder:

so can i have cable and sat hooked up at the same time?

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jduggan:

i havent gamed in a few years so im out of touch :)

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Paladine:

Carle4Calder, yes

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Paladine:

put sky through svideo and cable through coax

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Carle4Calder:

then when i go to "watch tv"

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys

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Zider:

isn't cedega a fork of winex which is a fork of wine?

[20:31:45]

Mattwj2005:

:)

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Carle4Calder:

is it going to watch satelite or cable

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Paladine:

it will watch whichever you set up as the priority capture

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Paladine:

you can have multiple sourcesin mythtv

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Paladine:

you set priorities on the source

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awilkins:

stuarta: I think I've confirmed it's the backend – I restarted it with a --verbose full ; one of the PIDs it registers on that transport is 0x21 (33), which is what mplayer reports. But it's blatantly incorrect, when you record the TS using cat, mplayer correctly picks out 600/601.

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Carle4Calder:

and dishtv will work

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Carle4Calder:

right?

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Carle4Calder:

im from the USA

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Paladine:

when you setup livetv in mythfrontend it will ask what source you want to use

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Carle4Calder:

idunno if theres any differences between sky and dishtv

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Carle4Calder:

dish network sorry

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Carle4Calder:

lol

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Paladine:

they work basically the same

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Carle4Calder:

mixing up directv and dish network

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Carle4Calder:

how do you get the listings for satelite?

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Paladine:

you read the wiki :p

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Carle4Calder:

zap2it still works for satelite?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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Carle4Calder:

awesome :)

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capt-rogers:

Using R5D1. Able to record and play manual recordings. Not able to use Program Finder or Program Guide to record shows. This is because my PVR-250 card cnnot switch the channels. I have to use the NEXT LEVEL communcations remote to change channels. What is the best way to get the PVR-250 to be able to change channels? VDSL provider is Bell Canada's Expressvu for Condos. It is a Motorola RG2400V

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Carle4Calder:

i was under the impression you needed some other type of card to record sat

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Carle4Calder:

thanks guys :)

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GreyFoxx:

care: You do if you are recording directly off the dish

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GreyFoxx:

but if you are are recording from the receiver

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Ediehow:

hi

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Ediehow:

GreyFoxx: do you use satellite?

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Carle4Calder:

oh ill have a receiver

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Ediehow:

when i use my channel change script externally while watching tv w/myth, it works fluidly, but if i have myth use it, it pauses video for a few seconds before changing

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GreyFoxx:

I have in the past,but not at the moment. I haven't put my dish back up after my roof was redone

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Carle4Calder:

ppl skip the receiver all together?

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GreyFoxx:

Carle4Calder: If you have a DVB card, but almost everything is broadcast encrypted in NA, not much FTA stuff

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GreyFoxx:

more of that in the UK/Europe

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Carle4Calder:

man, i want to upgrade my mythbox and put in some more pvr150s

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Carle4Calder:

:)

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Paladine:

you have 2 already

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Carle4Calder:

theres gonna be way too many shows i want recorded

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Paladine:

which is enough for your 2 inputs :)

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Paladine:

it is pointless adding more, cos you only have 2 sources

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Carle4Calder:

but i'll only be able to record 2 shows at once, right?

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Ediehow:

GreyFoxx: any ideas?

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Paladine:

unless you have a splitter for your cable allowing you to view more than one channel in different rooms

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GreyFoxx:

Ediehow:Nope

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Mattwj2005:

I have a HDTV tuner in the US as well

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GreyFoxx:

There is a buffer in myth so you are ALWAYS a couple seconds behind

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Carle4Calder:

right now i can record two cable shows at once Paladine

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GreyFoxx:

so if you are watching in myht it would appearto be delayed

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Mattwj2005:

in the US you basically get over the air television stations off of cable

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Mattwj2005:

if that helps at all.... :)

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Ediehow:

GreyFoxx: i don't think that'swhat it is

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Carle4Calder:

i thought for each tuner card you have, you can record 1 show

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capt-rogers:

i thought the delay was due to the hardware mpeg having to decode/encode the signal. I saw a 2 second delay when using Win2000 and a 4 second delay when using MythTV (a lot more was happening with Myth)

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Ediehow:

GreyFoxx: it does it BEFORE changing the channel

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Paladine:

carle, yes but you have a pvr500 which is 2 tuner cards

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GreyFoxx:

capt-rogers: There is a hardware delay, and myth has a buffer

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Carle4Calder:

so if you had like 4 cards, you could record 4 shows simutaniously

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GreyFoxx:

along with the delay for recording by the backend and streaming to the frontend

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Paladine:

if you had 4 input sources yes

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Carle4Calder:

can you split the sat?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

You would need another receiver

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GreyFoxx:

your receiver will only tune+output one at a time

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Carle4Calder:

hmm

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Carle4Calder:

so i can only do 1 sat and 1 cable or 2 cable shows at a time?

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GreyFoxx:

sounds about right

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Carle4Calder:

;( tough choices to make

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Paladine:

thats not entirely true

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awilkins:

Arse.

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Paladine:

in the UK we have dual decoder stb's for satelite

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awilkins:

My ISP's DNS server is out

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Paladine:

called sky+

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Carle4Calder:

dual lnb?

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GreyFoxx:

Paladine: He's not in the UK

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Carle4Calder:

there's dual lnb satelites

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Carle4Calder:

idunno if that splits it for two recievers or not though

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Carle4Calder:

i think thats just for 2 rec

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GreyFoxx:

Care: Yes it does

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GreyFoxx:

It allows multiple receivers

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awilkins:

My ISP's DNS server is out

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awilkins:

sorry

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Ediehow:

i just don't get it

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Ediehow:

if i do change_channel from console

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Ediehow:

while watching mythtv, it does it seamlessly

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Ediehow:

but if i tell myth to do it, it pauses for a few seconds, THEN does it

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GreyFoxx:

Ediehow: How do you know myth is pausing before doing it? Are you watching the sat receiver output live as well as from myths output ?

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Ediehow:

GreyFoxx: all i know is the video is stuttering

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Ediehow:

when it happens

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Ediehow:

because if i while watching tv from mythtv

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Ediehow:

in a console, do "change_channel 205"

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Ediehow:

it's seamless

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GreyFoxx:

hmm

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GreyFoxx:

in myth do you enter "205" and wait? or "205<enter"?

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sri:

greetings.

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sri:

anybody know how to tweak mythtv so that the audio isn't choppy from a remote frontend over a wireless network?

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Carle4Calder:

hmmm

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Carle4Calder:

myth/videos didnt work

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Carle4Calder:

err myth/video

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sri:

mythtv is fine locally, but when I try to see tv/movies from my laptop over the network, the audio has fits and starts.. it's quite annoying

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sri:

I seem to recall a place in mythtv-setup that allows you to reduce the quality of the audio, but I can't seem to find it.

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gurft:

Afternoon folks. Is there a way with mythvideo I can take an existing DVD that was ripped to ISO and then go back and just do a perfect rip of just the movie, without burning it back to a disc?

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Carle4Calder:

?

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Carle4Calder:

its already in ISO form

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gurft:

Yea, I really just want the movie though, not the "extras"

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gurft:

when I rip with "perfect" i just get an AVI with the movie.

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Carle4Calder:

dvd-srhink

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Carle4Calder:

is a windows program

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Carle4Calder:

lol

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sri:

yeah I use that using wine

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gurft:

LOL, I don't have a windows computer

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sri:

works great.

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sri:

no need for windows computer

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sri:

use wine

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Carle4Calder:

ok i put the videos in myth/video

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Carle4Calder:

and nothing shows up on my myth box

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gurft:

Carle4Calder: Do you have mythvideo set to look for them there?

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Carle4Calder:

idunno, wherever knoppmyth assigned it;o

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gurft:

Go into Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings

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gurft:

I think there's a "General" under there that has the directory that the frontend is looking for videos.

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Carle4Calder:

ok

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Ediehow:

GreyFoxx:

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Ediehow:

205 and enter

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Ediehow:

but i don't have to hit enter

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Carle4Calder:

nevermind

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Carle4Calder:

it works

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Ediehow:

there's a pause before it starts showing the channel changing

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Carle4Calder:

dunno why it wasnt showing up earlier

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Ediehow:

(the numbers appearing on the screen)

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Carle4Calder:

motion seems cool, is it easy to set up?

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juampe:

hi all

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juampe:

some one can tell me how mythgame 0.20 get listings for mame games? previus version of myth 0.19 for example do a good work upating to database the right game name,

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juampe:

now only update the file without zip extension

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Carle4Calder:

does nayone use motion?

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gurft:

I've never heard of motion, what is it?

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scopeuk:

use a webcam as a security camera monitored thoguh a web interface

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gurft:

ah

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dtm:

DOWNLOADING MYTHTV! LOOK OUT!

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dtm:

from atrpms/freshrpms rawhide

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Ediehow:

?

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sri:

pfah, you should help me figure out why my audio is choppy over the network :P

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scopeuk:

your runnign on wifi

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xq:

Does anybody know how to get a CAM to work.. without it myth works fine, but as soon as I insert the CA module with a valid card the picture freezes.. even on free channels..

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Beak:

hi, just did some updates, and now i get a segmentation fault when loading mythfrontend

[22:11:26]

Beak:

any ideas?

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Sebulba02:

is there an error on screen?

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Beak:

"Segmentation Fault" in the terminal

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Sebulba02:

before that...

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Juski:

re ( a bit drunky)

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Beak:

max width 800, max heigh 600

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Beak:

no other errors

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Beak:

just did some updates of my kernal and its started

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Juski:

Beak: using XGL / compiz ?

[22:14:00]

Beak:

??

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Beak:

dont know whart they are

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Beak:

used yum to do the updates

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Beak:

on fedora

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Juski:

I think it's time to compile mythtv with debugging enabled & get a backtrace

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Beak:

i ran it with debugging

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Beak:

verbose mode

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Beak:

but the output wasnt relative to the segmentation fault

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Juski:

yes but if it's not compiled with debugging enabled the info you get will be useless

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Beak:

could i be missing a kernel module?

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Juski:

merely updating the kernel would not cause mythtv to segfault

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Beak:

well, i think yum updated the dependancies also

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Juski:

something else (or loads of other things) also got updated – that'd be my diagnosis

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Juski:

if you upgrade just for the sake of it (tm) you should expect stuff to break, big style

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Beak:

nah, i was updating to get lirc working

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Beak:

ended up building that from source

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Juski:

why not just build lirc from source anyway? it's hardly rocket science

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Beak:

so myth is installed via yum, u think i shoudl compile my own with debugging so i can see what the problem is?

[22:18:14]

Beak:

could adding lirc have caused the seg fault?

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Juski:

I think (in all honesty) it's pretty damn hard to get mythtv to segfault on startup, so it might be time to do some digging

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Beak:

back end is running fine

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kurto:

I'm having some odd performance issues when setting up recordings, getting system status, etc.

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Beak:

mythtweb working

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kurto:

HD just spins and eventually it does come back

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Beak:

just the frontend =(

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kurto:

checked the DB, no corrupt tables....

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Juski:

well without having debugging enabled in the mythfrontend binaries & libs, you're working blind

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Juski:

and with that, I went to bed, having nothing else constructive to say....

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Beak:

i think i'll try and use yumto force it to update

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Beak:

thanks

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dtm:

Beak: do you have a problem with the device driver

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dtm:

Beak: for your input device

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dtm:

Beak: test it by itself, read /var/log/messages, and run 'dmesg'

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Beak:

nothing in either :(

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Ediehow:

hi juampe

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Ediehow:

hi Juski do you use stb?

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tuck3r:

for people in the US, what is the best dish provider?

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Ediehow:

i use dishnetwork

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tuck3r:

direcTV seems cheaper

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kurto:

I use direcTV

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tuck3r:

but they charge per box :(

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kurto:

completely depends on what programming you want and whcih one carries it.

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tuck3r:

kurto/Ediehow: do you have to use ir blasters or can you use serial/firewire?

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Ediehow:

depends on your box

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Ediehow:

i am using a blaster

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Ediehow:

usb-uirt

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tuck3r:

Ediehow: do you have to stack boxes or only have one tuner?

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Ediehow:

how do you mean?

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Ediehow:

i have a wintv pvr150

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Ediehow:

and a box which has 2 tuners

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tuck3r:

so you have to have two dish boxes

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Ediehow:

?

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Ediehow:

no?

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tuck3r:

two streams == two dish boxes? or does dish have boxes with two outputs?

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Ediehow:

you lost me. i have a box that is hooked to my tv card

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Ediehow:

it's no more complex than that

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tuck3r:

Ediehow: if you wanted to have two

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tuck3r:

channels*

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Ediehow:

the stb has the ability to be watched on two different channels

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Ediehow:

but that has nothing to do with my tv card

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Ediehow:

or my myth setup

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Beak_:

can anyone send me a mythfrontend binary for i386 that had debug compiled in?

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Ediehow:

Beak_: just get an rpm

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Beak_:

Ediehow, can i install that in addition to my yum package?

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Ediehow:

use alien

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Beak_:

i cam run "mythtv" fine, but "mythfrontend" is giving me a segmentation fault

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Ediehow:

convert it to a tgz

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Carle4Calder:

does mythvideo support xvid?

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kurto:

I'm thinking my performance problem is really disk based... performance goes to shit on the DB when I have anything transcoding. Curious what you guys use for layouts?

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kurto:

for filesystems

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Beak_:

i dont have alient

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Beak_:

alien

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Beak_:

and yum cant find it

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kurto:

I have my mythdvd directory (aka, where everythign lands after transcoding) on the same physical as the DB, my recordings are on a separate SATA drive.

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Beak_:

and where would i get an rpm containing a mythfrontend with debug?

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Carle4Calder:

does mythvideo support xvid? ;o

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Beak_:

is it possible to use yum to just remove the frontend without the backend?

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Beakster:

ok, i got alien installed

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Beakster:

where can i find a binary rpm containing a debug enabled mythfrontend

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Beakster:

?

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Gurft:

Anyone here have their mythtv box attached via DVI to a plasma or LCD TV?

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BULLE:

Gurft: better ask a question, that is more detailed, in what you need help with, insted of a general question

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BULLE:

guess you didnt need help with anything then ........

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Gurft:

Sorry, got distracted with another problem. I've heard mixed reviews on DVI compatibility. I'm shopping for a TV, and would love to use my DVI output on my nvidia card instead of SVideo.

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Gurft:

Also had a question about whether recordings could be transcoded into 16:9 zoomed, to use the full screen...

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Aid`:

yes of course

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Gurft:

Is there a wiki, or some other information that will make life easy, or shoudl I just suck it up and figure it out myself?

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tuck3r:

Gurft: shoudln'y mythtv try to play them as big as posable?

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mjelva:

i'm trying to compile mythtv (following the guide on mythtv.org for debian, with the marillat packages and all). it's taking a really long time, and i'm getting a lot of warnings saying "'x' has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor"

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tuck3r:

fine

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tuck3r:

(it's)

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mjelva:

it's supposed to take 10+ minutes?

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tuck3r:

oh yeah

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tuck3r:

30+ on older hardware

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mjelva:

ok. i guess i'll just wait a bit longer and come back if it craps out

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tuck3r:

what CPU?

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mjelva:

athlon xp 1800+

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tuck3r:

yeah, it's going to be a while

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mjelva:

i guess i don't have a choice

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Carle4Calder:

mine was intalled on an 1800+

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tuck3r:

use binary packages i guess

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Carle4Calder:

takes a while

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Carle4Calder:

i got tons of errosr trying to install it according to wilsonet's guide

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mjelva:

tuck3r: i suppose. i'm not sure why i went with source.

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mjelva:

i guess i just figured i'd follow the official guide

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Carle4Calder:

stuff kept popping up

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Carle4Calder:

so i had to sit there forever

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Carle4Calder:

knoppmyth is my savior

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mjelva:

i'm not getting any errors. just warnings. so far i haven't had to do anything.

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mjelva:

do you install knoppmyth, or just run it off a disc?

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tuck3r:

myhtv doesn't have worlds cleanest code

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tuck3r:

mjelva: install

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tuck3r:

if you like debian go for it

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Carle4Calder:

run it off a disc mjelva

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Carle4Calder:

easiest thing ever

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mjelva:

i suppose. i'd rather install, tho

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tuck3r:

Carle4Calder: you do install knopmyth

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tuck3r:

you can use the frontend off a CD but the main point is to install it

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Carle4Calder:

well yeah install everything off a disc

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mjelva:

ritwe

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mjelva:

:(

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mjelva:

butterfingers

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Carle4Calder:

its so much easier than the guide

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Carle4Calder:

not to mention nothing worked for me in the guide

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Carle4Calder:

and i followed it exactly

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tuck3r:

if you want quick or your a n00b use knopmyth

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mjelva:

i am a noob

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mjelva:

but i hate admitting it, so i tend to go the non-noob route

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tuck3r:

then use it, i really would

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Igg-man:

Is there a way to get mythgallery to read the metadata the camera stores on the photo orentation?

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mjelva:

meh

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mjelva:

i've used linux about a year now

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Carle4Calder:

trust me, itll save u so much time

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mjelva:

i'll manage

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Igg-man:

I had it working once before, but it seems to have quit after an upgrade

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mjelva:

i managed setting up debian back when i first started. and i managed setting up an openbsd server a couple of months back. i'll manage this as well.

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tuck3r:

mjelva: i'm doing it the 'hard' way, 4 days in

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mjelva:

what's the 'hard' way?

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tuck3r:

install from source on gentoo

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mjelva:

haha

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mjelva:

L

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mjelva:

<( L )>

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mjelva:

get it?

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tuck3r:

binary distros plus kernel modules just piss me off

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mjelva:

i laugh at people who sit around waiting for shit to compile for 10+ hours, just to shave off a CPU cycle or two

[23:56:04]

mjelva:

and the ones who claim it makes them 'experts' are just lame

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tuck3r:

gentoo has nothing to do with making it faster

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phyber:

ok. how can I setup Myth without running the 'mythtv-setup' ? are there example configs somewhere?

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tuck3r:

phyber: run myth-setup

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phyber:

I don't have that binary.

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tuck3r:

get it

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Igg-man:

phyber: most of the configs seem to be stored in the database (see the settings table)

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tuck3r:

somethings wrong if you don't

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Igg-man:

phyber: You don't?

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Igg-man:

What did you install?

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phyber:

there is nothing in the source code matching *myth-setup*

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tuck3r:

mjelva: the funny part about that statment, is your the one compiling something right now

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phyber:

mythtv-0.20]

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phyber:

minus the ]

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phyber:

maybe I should use the SVN instead?

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Igg-man:

/src/mythtv/mythtv-0.20/programs/mythtv-setup ?

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phyber:

nope.

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phyber:

ah, see

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Igg-man:

That's where mine was

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phyber:

I have mythtv-setup

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phyber:

but I can't run that.

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phyber:

I don't have X running on the box.

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phyber:

I just want the backend.

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Igg-man:

Huh... oh, hmm

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Igg-man:

I set one up once using vncserver

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Igg-man:

Do you happen to have that installed?

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