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Friday, October 13th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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jonK:

http://smooth.hopto.org/mythtv-setup.log

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smooth:

and I just changed mysql.txt to michael:pass from mythtv:mythtv

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smooth:

and got the same thing

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jonK:

"QMYSQL3 driver not loaded"

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smooth:

actually, the log cahanged a little bit. I have to reload it

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smooth:

database error was: host '192.168.0.102 is not allowed to connect to this mysql server

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jonK:

still privileges then

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jonK:

grant all on mythconverg.* to michael@"192.168.1.%" identified by "michael";

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jonK:

earlier i used localhost, and change to 192.168.0.102

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smooth:

that's what happens if I change mysql.txt to 192.168.0.102

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jonK:

no, in mysql,

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smooth:

when I used localhost, I get database error: cant' connect to local mysql server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'

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smooth:

this is all in mysql.txt that I'm telling you about

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smooth:

mine should be 192.168.0.% if it's that instead of xxx.xxx.1.% right?

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jonK:

wait, I may be taking you down an insane path, but what the hell

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jonK:

make 192.168.0.5

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jonK:

have you perchance modifed the file /etc/mysql/my.cnf file

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smooth:

jonk, yes

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smooth:

I modified it to 192.168.0.102 which is the ip

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jonK:

how exactly?

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smooth:

here's what I've done so far

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smooth:

bind-address = 192.168.0.102

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smooth:

and I commented out skip-networking

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smooth:

and I commented out #log-bin

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jonK:

comment out both, no need to bind to ONLY that ip

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smooth:

that's my server's ip

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jonK:

yes, but you're blocking localhost and 127.0.0.1 connections

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jonK:

i think

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smooth:

I dont thnk so, but I'll try it

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smooth:

nope

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smooth:

that's not it

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jonK:

did you restart mysql

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smooth:

yes

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smooth:

ok, should I start phpmyadmin and see what the heck is gon on in here?

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jonK:

i don't know, we're being rather random

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jonK:

let's be more methodical

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jonK:

first, what's in the mysql.txt file for michael

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smooth:

well, I wanted to see just who've I've given perms to in mysql at this point

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smooth:

well now, it has dbhostname=localhost

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smooth:

username=michael

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smooth:

password=pass

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smooth:

name=mythconverg

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smooth:

type=qmysql3

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jonK:

and mysql -u michael -p pass mythconverg;

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jonK:

lets you in or not

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smooth:

yes, it does

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jonK:

and with those setting running myth-setup as michael gives?

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smooth:

a bunch of errors of not being able to connect

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jonK:

post em

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smooth:

ok

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smooth:

I'll run it again and pipe it to a log

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smooth:

just a sec

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smooth:

http://smooth.hopto.org/mythtv-setup.localhost.log

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jonK:

http://smooth.hopto.org/mythtv-setup.localhost.log

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jonK:

and when you change mysql.txt to 192.168.what3ever?

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smooth:

now, while you are looking at that, I'm going to change hostname to 192.168.0.102

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smooth:

holy SMOKE

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smooth:

it worked. I need to tar this baby up ;)

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smooth:

ok, but I can't do it when username and pass are set to mythtv

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smooth:

why is that?

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jonK:

becuase you haven't set the privileges for the mythtv user in mysql correctly would be my first guess

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smooth:

how do I check if mythtv (mysql user)

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smooth:

yeah

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jonK:

get a mouse

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jonK:

phpmyadmin

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jonK:

much easier

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smooth:

the main difference seems to be when i added the last perm for michael?

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smooth:

lol

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smooth:

I have a mouse now

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smooth:

but I've never used phpmyadmin

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vballrican:

ack!! my frontend keeps locking up after i run mythweather

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vballrican:

I keep gettin some quest aborted error

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jonK:

or ... mysql -u root

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jonK:

mysql -u root mysql i mean

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smooth:

well, I'm setting up phpmyadmin right now. just a second

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jonK:

then select user host from user;

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jonK:

err, select user, host from user;

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moto125:

Hi, I'm looking for some help. I went through all the steps to install myth from the tarballs onto my Ubuntu box, but when i try to run mythbackend or mythtv-setup,nothing happens

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moto125:

anyone know why?

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jonK:

moto, you'll bneed to be a ittle more specific

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moto125:

what do you need? i try to run any of the myth shells and it says unknown command

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jonK:

well, when you say tarballs, what did you get and from wehre

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moto125:

mythtv-0.20.tar.tar myththemes-0.20.tar.tar and mythplugins-0.20a.tar.tar from mythtv.org

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smooth:

jonk: is there a quick way to allow https for this phpmyadmin config or do I need to read up on that

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jonK:

unkown by me at this time

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smooth:

because I'm up and running

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smooth:

ok, lol

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smooth:

so here I am in phpmyadmin

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jonK:

selec the users database

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jonK:

err the mysql database

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jonK:

in the dropdown on the left,

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smooth:

I don't have a dropdown on the left?

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smooth:

I have servers...add

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smooth:

layout

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smooth:

features

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smooth:

configuration

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smooth:

do I need to add a server first?

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smooth:

I am doing phpmyadmin setup. I haven't run it before

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jonK:

interesting

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jonK:

add a server

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jonK:

see what happens

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smooth:

well, I get a whole bunch of options ;)

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smooth:

what happenes when you go to the same place?

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smooth:

http://localhost/phpmyadmin/scripts/setup.php

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moto125:

I would just install from apt-get, but I don't want version 18.1, and thats the only one Ubuntu has in it's repositories...

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jonK:

smooth, just goto localhost/phpmyadmin

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jonK:

does it kick you to the setup?

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jonK:

so moto, where are you getting mytthv from then

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smooth:

just realized that

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moto125:

mythtv.org

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moto125:

I downloaded the .tar files

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jonK:

so you downloaded the source code for .20

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moto125:

yea

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jonK:

did you compile it?

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moto125:

yea

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moto125:

and did "make install"

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jonK:

and what happened?

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jonK:

did make install as root?

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jonK:

sudo make install?

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moto125:

yea

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moto125:

and it copied all the files

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jonK:

and when you try and run mythtv-setup it doesn't find it?

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moto125:

no it doesn't

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moto125:

it's in /etc/init.d/

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moto125:

but it won't run it

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jonK:

no it's not

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jonK:

mythtv=setup should be in /usr/local/bin

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smooth:

jonk: the server is not responding (or the local mysqlserver's socket is not correctly configured)

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moto125:

yea it's there, my mistake

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jonK:

moto and when you enter "/usr/local/bin/mythtv-setup/"

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jonK:

smooth, didnt you get it to run?

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jonK:

mythtv-setup that is?

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smooth:

yes

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moto125:

oh it's not in there, it's in /usr/local/mythtv/bin

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smooth:

I can't connect to the mysql server thru phpmyadmin

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jonK:

then /usr/local/mythtv/bin/mythtv-setup"

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jonK:

smooth: who cares, can you configure mythtv?

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smooth:

kindof

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smooth:

I can do it as michael:pass

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smooth:

but not mythtv:mythtv

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jonK:

so?

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smooth:

I'd like to get it working properly

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jonK:

then go back to command line mysql

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smooth:

ok

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smooth:

deal with phpmyadmin later

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smooth:

I'm back in

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moto125:

ok jonK, it ran but with a ton of errors

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lwizardl:

Hi

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jonK:

mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.0.10" identified by "mythtv";

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smooth:

jonk, is that at me?

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jonK:

yes

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moto125:

just one error, can't connect to database

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jonK:

buytu use the ip address that you want

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smooth:

we want 192.168.0.% right?

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jonK:

moto, is mysql installed

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moto125:

yes

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jonK:

smooth, the "%" is a wildcard

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smooth:

right

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jonK:

you tell me, if one machine then no need for the wildcard

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smooth:

so that I can connect from anywhere on my lan right?

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jonK:

ding

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smooth:

but that's why I wanted to use phpmyadmin. I dont know who's got what

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smooth:

if mythtv user has localhost access, LAN access, and so doesmichae

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jonK:

doing teh above will overrite

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lwizardl:

what video cards can be used to display the video to 1080i resolution?

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jonK:

moto, are you following an install guide?

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moto125:

yes

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jonK:

which one?

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moto125:

http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html

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smooth:

ah

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smooth:

then flush privileges;

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moto125:

i need to find out where to tell myth my mysql pass

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smooth:

exit, then restart mysqld

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flip1273645:

hello--I fsked my frontend setup by telling it to use xinerama screen1- now I can't enter setup

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flip1273645:

does anybody know where the config file is so I can edit it directly

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jonK:

couple things moto, did you setup the mysql database mythconverg

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moto125:

it setup itself

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moto125:

it's there, but i didn't do it

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moto125:

"During this install process, you will be prompted for the MySQL password."

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moto125:

thats what the tutorial says, but i didn't get that

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grndslm:

jfs or xfs??? which one?

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jonK:

from command line type mysql -u root mythconverg

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jonK:

i like jfs!

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smooth:

jonk, I'm in there messing around right now

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moto125:

access denied, using password=no

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Basstard`:

im gonna try ubuntu 6.10 knot 3 and mythtv 0.20 packages soon, hoping it'll be painless.

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jonK:

did you set a password for mysql root user?

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grndslm:

i've been using xfs with lvm, but deletion time is pretty long...apparently because i write multiple streams simultaneously with the pvr-500

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moto125:

yes

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jonK:

then do mysql -u root -p pass mythconverg

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smooth:

now I just need to remove michael from mysql access and drop the unnecessary databases

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jonK:

where pass is the password you said

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smooth:

or is that databei ;)

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jonK:

unnecessary?

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moto125:

ok, lots of output, what am i looking for

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smooth:

I've got a test database

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smooth:

I remeber I need to 'drop database test;'

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jonK:

what output? moto

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smooth:

and then 'flush privileges;'

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smooth:

but I can't remember what else....

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jonK:

why drop test?

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jonK:

what is test?

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smooth:

test is installed when mysql is installed nothing to do with this process

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moto125:

the help info as well as the strings of each variable

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smooth:

lol, so now I'm back to square one....

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smooth:

mythweb...........

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moto125:

I think that all I need is to know where I can change a config file to tell mythtv my sql pass

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jonK:

moto, for what user?

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jonK:

the file is mysql.txt

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moto125:

root

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jonK:

you're going to just run mythtv as root?

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moto125:

no

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moto125:

as mythtv

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jonK:

try /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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jonK:

try /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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flip1273645:

nevermind...I found the setting in the dB

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frank_:

I'm seing discrepencies between the schedule mythtv got from datadirect and what I find on the zap2it web site. Isn't it supposed to be the same?

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moto125:

there is no /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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frank_:

Is there a Canadian here using datadirect for listings check something for me on the TVtropolis schedule?

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moto125:

I'm in /home/mythtv/ and there is no .mythtv

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flip1273645:

another question--I'm using nvidia twinview-no tvout-- how can I make myth appear on other monitor

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mmarker:

ok, anyone use a DVB-C card with mythtv?

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lwizardl:

can someone help me with finding a video card that can output via dvi-d to 720p, 1080i resolutions

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Basstard`:

can mythmusic play in the background while you're doing other stuff in mythtv?

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smooth:

hmm, now I'm on to mythweb ;) anyone using that by chance?

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sphery:

smooth: You got the DB working?

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smooth:

sphery: I'm pretty sure

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sphery:

Sorry for dropping out on you. My 'net went down. Stupid ISP...

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sphery:

Cool.

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smooth:

no problem

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smooth:

jonk worked with me

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smooth:

must have had a type because I added the stuff we added before I recompiled and started from scatch

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Fnc:

anyone using a channel master for hd ota stuffs?

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smooth:

hmm, spoke too soon I guess

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smooth:

when I'm in the mythfrontend and I try to save something, I can't connect to thebackend

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Fnc:

smooth is it running?

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Fnc:

as root

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Fnc:

ps -aux |grep mythback

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smooth:

why is that giving me bad syntax?

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Fnc:

huh?

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smooth:

although I dn't see it in to

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smooth:

top

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smooth:

warning: bad ps syntax

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smooth:

oh right

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smooth:

no -

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smooth:

it's ps aux not ps -aux

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smooth:

it says it's started, but nothing comes out when I grep it and I don't see it in top

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smooth:

it can't connect to backend master server

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smooth:

is that because I have it bount to 192.168.0.102 and I'm trying to run the frontend locally?

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smooth:

locally, but xforwarded to my laptop?

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Fnc:

prolly

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flip1273645:

any nvidia twinview gurus around

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smooth:

jeez, so even if I do frontendonly, I still have to emerge mysql?

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smooth:

?

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kormoc:

smooth, yes

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kormoc:

smooth, as it needs the headers to build client support into the frontend

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kormoc:

flip1273645, you could just ask your question

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smooth:

the more I get into it, the more wonky it seems

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flip1273645:

another question--I'm using nvidia twinview-no tvout-- how can I make myth appear on other monitor

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smooth:

oh well, as least its working somewhat. I can't watch any videos or anything

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smooth:

can't record anything

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smooth:

but I can connect to it to configure

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smooth:

lol

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aboutblank:

mpeg2 lossless encoding is NOT honoring the cutlist for me. is it possible i need a codec installed? i have ffmpeg installed via ubuntu package

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kormoc:

flip1273645, try running DISPLAY=:0.1 mythfrontend

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smooth:

non-locally that is, LMAO

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smooth:

wait a minute, what am I thinking....

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smooth:

I'm not cnnecting locally

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smooth:

I'm using a webbrowser.....why isn't it working!!!

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smooth:

argh

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** kormoc blinks **

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mmarker:

grr, so, what's the best way to populate a channel list with the channel info? I've walked through the docs, but all my channels are aptly named "Adding channel xx"

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flip1273645:

mythfrontend: cannot connect to X server :0.1

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kormoc:

I think you need to calm down, cause the words you are saying are not right...

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smooth:

@me?

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kormoc:

flip1273645, are you desktop spanning or seperate desktops?

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smooth:

kormoc: are you directing that at me?

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kormoc:

smooth, yeah...

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smooth:

lol

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smooth:

I've been here all day

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smooth:

the words I'm using are exactly right

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kormoc:

<smooth> non-locally that is, LMAO

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kormoc:

<smooth> wait a minute, what am I thinking....

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kormoc:

<smooth> I'm not cnnecting locally

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smooth:

exactly

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flip1273645:

umm meta mode 2048x768

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kormoc:

you said the same thing twice...

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kormoc:

flatronf701B, can you drag windows between the screens?

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smooth:

corrected myself, that isnt' the same thing twice

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flip1273645:

spanning I think

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kormoc:

smooth, non-locally and not local is the same thing...

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smooth:

thought it was working non-locally

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smooth:

but it is not kormoc

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smooth:

if you have some help to give, that would work better than half-attmpted grammar lessons

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kormoc:

smooth, you said you're non-local, and then said wait, I'm not local

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flip1273645:

yes- can drag between windows

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smooth:

I said it was working non-locally

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smooth:

and then I realized that it wasn't

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kormoc:

flip1273645, sorry, I don't know much about that setup :/

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kormoc:

smooth, you haven't actually asked a question yet that I've seen

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smooth:

whereas FNC and jonk and myself thought the problem was that I was trying to connect locally

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smooth:

kormoc, that's the problem

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flip1273645:

ok thanks anyway-- I'll keep googling

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smooth:

I've been here all day and so far, I haven't seen you be

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smooth:

so yeah, there are a lot of questions and you're welcome to scroll up and see them or read the log

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** kormoc shrugs **

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** smooth shrugs back **

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kormoc:

smooth, you last said you can't connect to the backend, you haven't given logs or anything else to help

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smooth:

LMAO

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smooth:

sure thing kormoc

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smooth:

don't worry about it

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smooth:

I've pasted url's to about 7 logs

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kormoc:

not sense you said the backend wasn't running

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smooth:

I didn't say the backend wasn't running

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kormoc:

<smooth> it says it's started, but nothing comes out when I grep it and I don't see it in top

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smooth:

kormoc, I'm sure you've got something better to do

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smooth:

so go do it

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kormoc:

during your ps -aux | grep mythback part

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kormoc:

nah, actually I don't

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kormoc:

I'm having a wonderful time doing this

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kormoc:

but feel free to just post the logs, you know, useful things.

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/index.html how can you argue with that ;-)

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

that would be great fun

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aboutblank:

how do you set the default transcoding profile?

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smooth:

here's something useful:

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smooth:

http://smooth.hopto.org/mythbackend.log

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kormoc:

aboutblank, mythtv-setup

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kormoc:

smooth, surely there's more then that, and you can run the backend with a more verbose log output if there isn't.

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: I forgot, is j-rod the author of mythology guide, is is he not the same as Jarod?

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smooth:

that's the log file from /var/log/mythtv

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kormoc:

cipher_nemo, yes, he is the author

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cipher_nemo:

thx

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smooth:

how do I run it more verbose

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kormoc:

smooth, usually there's more data then that, like the startup log messages and similar

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smooth:

yeah

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smooth:

well, that's the log file

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kormoc:

smooth, I don't know offhand, but if you run mythbackend --help, it will list it

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mmarker:

kormoc: you wouldn't have any experiences with setting up a dvb-c card in the states with a braindead cable operator?

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kormoc:

mmarker, sadly not. I wasn't aware of any cable companys that worked with DVB at all in the states

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mmarker:

kormoc: Damn. I can get a digital decode, but it seems they're not xmiting any form of channel info. So it's play guess-the-channel.

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mmarker:

wondering if I'm doing something stupid instead.

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kormoc:

you might want to check if there's a XMLTV grabber for the provider

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mmarker:

there isn't, sadly.

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: maybe next year you can enter the "car" ;-)

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

perhaps, perhaps

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mmarker:

DirectData has the info, but XMLTV just spits out the "channel number" which is utterly worthless.

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mmarker:

well, I'm assuming DD has it

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aboutblank:

i have a transcoder profile named "MPEG2 Lossless".. how do i use this in a command to mythtranscode? is it just --profile "MPEG2 Lossless"?

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aboutblank:

no, it's not that syntax because it says it cannot find a profile by that name.

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kormoc:

aboutblank, are you attempting to run mythtranscode by hand?

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aboutblank:

Yes.

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aboutblank:

i'm TRYING to setup commercial removal. when i use --mpeg2 it does not honor the cutlist for me!

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kormoc:

ahh, that's a little funky... you can pick apart nuvexport and see how it does it, that might be the simplest.

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aboutblank:

so far, i am very unhappy with myth.

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Agrajag-:

aboutblank: send it back

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Agrajag-:

aboutblank: ask for your money back!

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aboutblank:

very funny. i know it's a free project.

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aboutblank:

and i try not to complain about OSS

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mmarker:

I want my 3 hours back, somehow. :D

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aboutblank:

but this has been such a pita for me.

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kormoc:

heh, if you look at myth's website, you don't see 'easy' or 'fast' anywhere on there... :P

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aboutblank:

yeah i know

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aboutblank:

i would like to the guy that make mythtranscode

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mmarker:

hnnm so I think for the digital channels, I have to edit them by hand. This is going to bite. Hard.

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kormoc:

mythtranscode was never ment to be run by hand, it was ment to be run by the backend

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aboutblank:

to try to figure out why --mpeg2 does not work with --honorcutlist on my box.

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aboutblank:

kormoc: okay... but it executes mythtranscode just as if i execute it from a shell

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kormoc:

aboutblank, did you take a look at the tickets on svn.mythtv.org? you might want to check and if it's not already reported, submit a ticket

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aboutblank:

kormoc: i'm confused though. the only purpose of the --mpeg2 flag is to remove commercials, so it would be logical that it would work

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kormoc:

yeah

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aboutblank:

i was wondering if it used some weird dependency.

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kormoc:

which is why I think you might want to just submit a bug report

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aboutblank:

except it might not be a bug in myth, it might just be user error ;0

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kormoc:

perhaps, but perhaps not

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** kormoc shrugs **

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smooth__:

I set up a /mnt/store but what perms should it have?

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kormoc:

smooth__, the user that the backend runs as needs read and write permissions

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kormoc:

smooth__, that usually is user mythtv or user root

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smooth__:

kormoc: is mythtv part of video group?

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kormoc:

smooth__, donno, you can check /etc/group and see

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kormoc:

smooth__, you can add it there if it's not as well

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smooth__:

yeah, that's what it said.

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metalac:

GreyFoxx: hey you around? i want to see your kernel .config file to make sure i'm not missing anything that would allow me to run HD properly

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smooth:

can you give me an ls -l /mnt/store ?

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kormoc:

smooth, and a useful command is groups user, if you type that, it will list the groups the user is in

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kormoc:

smooth, mine? mine is mythtv:mythtv rw-r--r--

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smooth:

yeah, I did that, but mythtv is in 4 groups.

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smooth:

I don't even have a mythtv group. I guess I could create one

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kormoc:

smooth, if you make it owned by a group myth is in, and it has group read and write permissions, that would work as well

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kormoc:

yeah, I created it out of lazyness, so others can access mythtv files

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smooth:

mine is drwxr--xr-x mythtv video

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kormoc:

that should work fine

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smooth:

yeah, but that's what it's hanging on

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kormoc:

ps aux | grep mythbackend will tell you what user the backend is running as

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smooth:

this is with -verbose set to 'all'

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smooth:

http://192.168.0.102/mythbackend.log

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smooth:

still not much, but more

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smooth:

and I cant' tell the user, because it dies before I can grep it

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smooth:

I'm using gentoo, and myth starts with an initscript

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smooth:

if I run mythbackend as root, I can connect to it

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ShockValue:

is there a way to increase the timeout for livetv to start before it gives up? I'm getting the "ringbuff (mythtv://3098390480924.mpg) taking too long to read" error

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ShockValue:

but i think if i increased the timeout, i'd have better success

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GreyFoxx:

The timeout is 20 seconds. If it's not ready after 20 seconds you have bigger problems than the timeout :)

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ShockValue:

i agree, but ive been hammering on this firewire crap for 2 weeks straight trying to get it going consistently.

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ShockValue:

unless you have some suggestions on that? i keep getting 0 length recordings, and then it craps out. try it again immediatly after with no settings changed and it works..

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GreyFoxx:

I've never touched the Firewire stuff so Ihave no idea really

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ShockValue:

its awesome when it works, but the 75% success rate of actually working isnt so hot

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GreyFoxx:

That would be annoying :)

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smooth:

http://smooth.hopto.org/mythbackend.log

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ShockValue:

smooth: sounds like mysql isnt running

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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ShockValue:

and/or the database hasnt been set up properly, and/or your mythbackend doesnt have proper access to it

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smooth:

it is, this is the same problem we had when the mythtv user wasn't connecting to the db

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smooth:

it runs as root

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smooth:

that initscript runs as user mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

smooth: "netstat -an | grep mysql.sock"

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GreyFoxx:

paste the output of that

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metalac:

GreyFoxx: hey you around? i want to see your kernel .config file to make sure i'm not missing anything that would allow me to run HD properly

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ShockValue:

you can do "mysql -u root -p mythconverg" and "mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg"

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smooth:

nothing

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GreyFoxx:

smooth: Nothing?

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smooth:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

Then you do have problems as it is not openning a unixsocket

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smooth:

hmm, it may be because it doesn't start?

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GreyFoxx:

It's got nothing to do with myth

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smooth:

the backend is not actually starting

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GreyFoxx:

If mysql is running you should see something there

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smooth:

oh right

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euphobot:

hell

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euphobot:

or hello

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euphobot:

rather

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GreyFoxx:

metalac: hrm,lemme see

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smooth:

I get something if I do netstat -an | grep mysql

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euphobot:

odd problem

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smooth:

oh, it's called mysqld.sock

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GreyFoxx:

smooth: Ok,it's mysql.sock on mine :)

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smooth:

unix 2 [ACC] STREAM LISTENING 15124 /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock

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smooth:

whew

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smooth:

;)

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GreyFoxx:

metalac: http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/2.6.12.5-config

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smooth:

now, if you remember earlier, I don't actually have a mythtv user that can do anything in a unix enviroment...does that matter?

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GreyFoxx:

the name ofthe user running it should be irrelevant

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GreyFoxx:

maybe check the permissions of that /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock

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smooth:

mythtv:x:102:27:added by portage for mythtv:/dev/null:/usr/sbin/nologin

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smooth:

thats the user that runs mythbackend

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smooth:

srwxrwxrwx mysql:mysql mysqld.sock

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smooth:

that's right isn't it? it just depends on whether mythtv has permissions to access the mysql database?

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euphobot:

no

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GreyFoxx:

sthe file permissions look ok

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euphobot:

just because there is a dead lock file doesn't mean mysql is running

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GreyFoxx:

euphobot: If it's showing in netstat as listening then something has bound it

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smooth:

I thought that those file permissions say that mysql has access. and if mythtv myssql user has access to the db, then mysql would give mythtv user access to the socket?

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GreyFoxx:

and of course I assume smooth did a ps to see if the process is running

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euphobot:

dead bind

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euphobot:

restart mysql

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smooth:

ok

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smooth:

same permissions

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euphobot:

the check that mysql is running well, is to mysql -u??? -p

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GreyFoxx:

that's not why he asked you to restart it :)

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sanmarcos:

hello beautiful people!

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euphobot:

yes!!!!!

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euphobot:

oh that was an obilgatory

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smooth:

yes, mysql is running

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euphobot:

fine

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smooth:

I can mysql -u mythtv -p

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sanmarcos:

anybody using ivtv can do me a favor?

[03:04:47]

aboutblank:

hey GreyFoxx: any idea why mythtranscode with the --mpeg2 flag won't honor the cutlist?

[03:05:15]

GreyFoxx:

aboutblank: not really no. I assume you actually made a cutlist ?:)

[03:05:20]

aboutblank:

heh, yes.

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aboutblank:

it's extremely annoying. it simply makes another mpg of the same size and length

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euphobot:

smooth: now I can't find your problem in backlog

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GreyFoxx:

I;ve never run it manually

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aboutblank:

do you remove commercials?

[03:06:20]

GreyFoxx:

heh no

[03:06:20]

aboutblank:

or just skip them?

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aboutblank:

ah, gotcha

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GreyFoxx:

after I watch something it getsdeleted :)

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imperfect-:

Anyone know of any issues with mythfilldatabase and dapper?

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aboutblank:

imperfect-: No.

[03:06:58]

imperfect-:

MySQL server has gone away

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imperfect-:

Getting pages and pages of that error.

[03:07:13]

imperfect-:

Sql is alive and kicking.

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aboutblank:

can you access it with phpmyadming?

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smooth:

ok, when I change that initscript to run mythbackend as unix user smooth, I can access the backend

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imperfect-:

sure can

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smooth:

but when I do it with unix user mythtv I can not

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aboutblank:

imperfect-: check the IP in the configuration of mythtv-setup

[03:08:08]

imperfect-:

aboutblank : It's fine. It connects for the first few parts of the database fill and only dies part way through.

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aboutblank:

not sure then, because it works fine over here with dapper.

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imperfect-:

Hrm

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imperfect-:

sql 5.0?

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aboutblank:

mysql right?

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imperfect-:

yea

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imperfect-:

5.0?

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ShockValue:

anyone good with myth+firewire? icant get mine running smooth :.

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euphobot:

smooth: I thought you said their is no user mythtv

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smooth:

euphobot: the initscript, when it's set to run mythbackend as mythtv, won't go

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aboutblank:

yeah, i'm on mysql 5.

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imperfect-:

sigh

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imperfect-:

i wish i knew what the deal was

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smooth:

euphobot: there is, I don't know how to describe it. I guess it doesn't have a shell?

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smooth:

mythtv:x:102:27:added by portage for mythtv:/dev/null:/usr/sbin/nologin

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smooth:

that's the user

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euphobot:

your confusing me. Is there a mythtv user or not

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smooth:

yes

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smooth:

but I can't login in to use it

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smooth:

look at what I pasted

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smooth:

it doesn't have a shell

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euphobot:

no thanks

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smooth:

mythtv:x:102:27:added by portage for mythtv:/dev/null:/usr/sbin/nologin

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euphobot:

ok the user acct mythtv appears to be nologin

[03:12:47]

euphobot:

why would you create such a thing is beyond me

[03:12:49]

euphobot:

but

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smooth:

yeah, I never wrote that I didn't have a user, just that the user can't do anything in a unix environment

[03:13:21]

smooth:

yes, why "portage" would create that is beyond me too

[03:13:33]

smooth:

"added by portage for mythtv"

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euphobot:

so why not create a real mythtv user acct

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smooth:

I don't really know what to do with it

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euphobot:

what distribution?

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smooth:

the only why I can give you is that since i didn't know why it was like that, I was reluctant to change it until I figured out why it was so

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smooth:

gentoo

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euphobot:

can you creat a user acct

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smooth:

not with that one present

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smooth:

if that's what you're asking? or do you mean do I know how to create user accounts?

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euphobot:

ok, can you change it from nologin to login

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aboutblank:

imperfect-: are you sure the filldatabase error isn't about xmltv or datadirect?

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smooth:

yeah, but then it says that the login in unavailable

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euphobot:

because it is nologin

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euphobot:

both nologin and login are attributes of the user acct

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imperfect-:

aboutblank : What do you mean?

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euphobot:

actuallly the same attribute but different values

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aboutblank:

imperfect-: when it populates the table it pulls the channel and schedule information

[03:17:33]

aboutblank:

do you live in the US?

[03:17:35]

smooth:

su – mythtv gives: No Directory, logging in with HOME=/

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euphobot:

imperfect-: he means what he means, man!

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smooth:

Cannot execute /usr/sbin/login: No such file or directory

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euphobot:

try creating a user acct by the name of mythtv

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smooth:

it won't let me as long as that one is there

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euphobot:

delete it

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imperfect-:

aboutblank: I'm watching mythfilldatabase have a fit about inserting stuff into dd_

[03:19:36]

metalac:

yeah

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smooth:

euphobot: ok, that's not it

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smooth:

it must be mysql permissions

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ShockValue:

fryfrog save me!

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euphobot:

hey all – I have a channel that is suppose to be recording. When its time comes the dvb is set to recording, but the recorded file doesn't exist. Only occurs on one channel. WTF?

[03:23:14]

ShockValue:

is it vh1?

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euphobot:

smoooooth, mysql permissions are set in myth-setup

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euphobot:

check that your pw is correct

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smooth:

I think I need to go into mysql command line and do it that way

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euphobot:

no

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ShockValue:

hrm.. i can watch every channel, except vh1 makes my backend die

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euphobot:

the idea is simply that you need the user and pw to match

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smooth:

everything else is the same as my other local user, smooth

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ShockValue:

its really weird

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smooth:

they do

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smooth:

user and pw do match

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smooth:

but I can use unix user smooth with pw smoothpass and that works fine

[03:25:19]

smooth:

so they don't have to match, according to that.

[03:25:24]

euphobot:

ok, then you must check the grant in mysql

[03:25:34]

euphobot:

do you know what grants are?

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smooth:

yeah, that's what I was referring to when I was speking of permissions

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euphobot:

ok

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smooth:

yeah, but I don't know how to check existing ones in the cli

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euphobot:

goto

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euphobot:

mysql.com and see grants

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euphobot:

it is a "system table" — info schema or such. But the way to do it is to look up grants

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euphobot:

HELP

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euphobot:

what are the possibile problems when a single channel fails to do its duty???

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euphobot:

one channel doesn't want to record

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euphobot:

it shows that it is reoording without properly creating a file!!!!!!!!

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euphobot:

why?

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euphobot:

trying to "watch recording" responds with "there ain't no such file"

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euphobot:

It only occurs on KCTET-SD. and only started giving me !!! when I updated to .20

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euphobot:

This is coming from a dvb card ( pchdtv )

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smooth:

can someone tell me what their permissions for mythtv are from phpmyadmin?

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ShockValue:

yeah, sec

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ShockValue:

http://deadpla.net/permissions.html

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smooth:

thank you

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ShockValue:

ive pretty much given full control of everything to mythtv and root, since its the only database in my house, and there's no outside access to it

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ShockValue:

that way i dont have to fk with it :)

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smooth:

exept for root on the lan?

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smooth:

that's the one N I see?

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ShockValue:

yeah, i think that was a typo.. it should be "Y" :)

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smooth:

lol

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smooth:

ok

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ShockValue:

but it hasnt affected anything, so i never botherd to fix it

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smooth:

I don't need to access the db from outside? even if I want to setup recordings remotely?

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ShockValue:

through mythweb?

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smooth:

that would only be if I actually wanted to change database settings?

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smooth:

yeah

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smooth:

I want to use mythweb if I can ever get it working ;)

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ShockValue:

are you hosting mythweb and mythbackend on different boxes?

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ShockValue:

if its on the same box, its considered a local connection.. same internal lan, then you need a setup like I do (or similar at least) and if you're hosting it out on the 1ntarw3b someplace, then .. umm.. you can do it, but i dunno how :)

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smooth:

no, they are on the same server

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ShockValue:

then you dont need to screw with the 10.%.%.% thing then.. just localhost

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smooth:

well, except I forwardx to my laptop. the server is headless

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smooth:

so I need 192.168.0.%

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smooth:

or did earlier today, but now it's broken again ;)

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ShockValue:

ssh -Y ?

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smooth:

what does the -Y do? I was using -X

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smooth:

sometimes using -Y -X but didn't know what it did

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ShockValue:

either one... the server / database still thinks its local.. its just forwarding the display

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ShockValue:

-Y is the 'older' method of ssh X11 forwarding I think.. not quite sure.. i couldnt get -X to work on mine

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ShockValue:

oh

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ShockValue:

well if its headless, then you need lan stuff for your mythfrontend running elsewhere (assuming you're doing that)

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ShockValue:

because your frontend will store its settings in the backend database

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ShockValue:

anyway.. i got a bottle of wine calling my name... good luck

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smooth:

thanks

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smooth:

laters

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smooth:

argh, I can't start mysql because it's bound to a socket? but there isnt anyting in /var/run

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smooth:

what can I check?

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nadia007:

wondering if someone can help me out.. I've installed knoppmyth and I've gone through the wizards and everything. But when I go into watch tv, all I get is static.

[04:43:02]

nadia007:

I've got a pvr150 and a nvidia 5200

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octan:

check your cable :p

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nadia007:

octan, plugged coax into tv and works just fine. ;)

[04:45:23]

nadia007:

I have my capture card as /dev/video0, card type: mpeg2 encoder card (pvrx50,pvr-500)

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octan:

check that you have the thit type.-- i mean.. like do you use wetern europe or east.. or japan.. or us..

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nadia007:

where do I check that?

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nadia007:

default input tuner1?

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octan:

in mytyhtv setup

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nadia007:

octan, you referring to xmltv listing?

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Juski:

nadia007: either you have the wrong tuner option selected in the ivtv module (auto sometimes doesn't cut it) OR you're not using the right frequency table

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octan:

nadia007, no

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nadia007:

I'm in mythtv-setup, just trying to figure out where in there.

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octan:

the type.. the standar your tv provider sends on..

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octan:

like me.. i have to use western europe

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octan:

anyway habe to go

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nadia007:

octan, kay... gnight!

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octan:

sry,,

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octan:

also check whit ivtv

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octan:

"ivtv tools"

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nadia007:

that in mythtv-setup too?

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octan:

no

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octan:

thats on cli

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octan:

type ivtv

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nadia007:

kay... and check to make sure north america settings?

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octan:

ivtv-tune -c

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octan:

ivtv-tune -l

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octan:

then try with mplayer /dev/video

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octan:

see ig it work

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nadia007:

thx

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nadia007:

hmm... mplayer gives me static too.

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nadia007:

and when I type ivtv I get command not found!

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nadia007:

ivtv-tune -l lists all the channels I have, and ivtv-tune -c 15 allows me to switch to a particular channel, even after I change channels and mplayer /dev/video0, still just get static!

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nadia007:

not getting any errors either!

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nadia007:

"tuner type not set", where can I correct this?

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nadia007:

"tuner type not set" anyone have any suggestions for this?

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Juski:

nadia007: there are lots of different tuner types, which you need to set in the modprobe.conf (or similar depending on your distro) file

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Juski:

see the ivtv mailing list & search for the 'tuner type not set' error for starters

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vballrican:

ok, i'm confused

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Juski:

I'm going to work

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vballrican:

mythtv says recorded under recordings for a program, but when i go to watch recordings, there's nothing there... :(

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nadia007:

juski, thx... had to add options tuner=50

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nadia007:

works now... thx!

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vballrican:

mythtv says recorded under recordings for a program, but when i go to watch recordings, there's nothing there... :( help!!!

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vballrican:

mythtv says recorded under recordings for a program, but when i go to watch recordings, there's nothing there... :( help!!!

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xzcvczx:

is there a way to change the timeout for imdb requests?

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Dagmar:

Yeah, modify the source

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xzcvczx:

so there is no setting hidden in the db?

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Dagmar:

Do you see one?

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xzcvczx:

hence the word hidden would probably mean i dont

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Dagmar:

Try a wand of Find Secret Values

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xzcvczx:

ok, i take that as there wont be. also is there a way to put a "cover" onto folders

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Dagmar:

What folders?

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xzcvczx:

well in my video folder i have a folder in there with top gear episodes in it and i was just wondering if there was a way to put a top gear cover onto that folder

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ShockValue:

mythweb seems to be a bit weird on my box... if i look at listings it lets me click on the show title to schedule.. but if i search for a title, it wont let me clikc on it

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Juski:

xzcvczx: I think if you put a picture file with the same filename as the _directory_ inside the _directory_ it'll work fine. Linux doesn't have these 'folder' thingies

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Juski:

e.g. topgear.jpg inside /media/foo/topgear

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Juski:

vballrican: stop being a big baby & change the group view in your 'watch recordings' list

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vballrican:

?

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Juski:

vballrican> mythtv says recorded under recordings for a program, but when i go to watch recordings, there's nothing there... :( help!!!

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Juski:

change the group view in your 'watch recordings' list

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kraut:

moin

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xzcvczx:

Juski: ah ok cheers will try that

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vballrican:

i just did...thanks... and where do i change the recording resolution or bitrate? it looks like crap...

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Juski:

vballrican: recording profiles

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Juski:

utils/setup > setup > tv > recording > recording profiles

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Dagmar:

That bit about how you assign an image to a "folder" is actually in the readme for the plugin, which is why I was ignoring the question.

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claybo:

Hey everyone. For those of you who are having no problems with XvMC and 0.20, I am curious what version of the nvidia drivers you are using? Thanks.

[06:31:39]

Juski:

yeah well. that was my freebie for the day. from here on it it's yelling "RTFM, fucktard!"

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Dagmar:

There's no such thing as "no problems" with nVidia and XvMC

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Dagmar:

There's _always_ been a few things that get filed under "known problems"

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claybo:

Dagmar, so true. Well, I thought so too when I was running 0.19 because HD playback was flawless, but after upgrading to 0.20, it isn't completely smooth.

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Dagmar:

Some people swear by 77xx, I'm using 8774 because I'm pretty confident that nVidia fixes things rather rapidly

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claybo:

So I guess all I'm looking for is good HD playback, which I had with 0.19.

[06:33:44]

claybo:

Hm, okay. I was using the version before 8774 with 0.19, then had the problems with the same one with 0.20 and have since upgraded to 8774.

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claybo:

With the same results as before.

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Dagmar:

claybo: So, here's some tough questions for you then... Did you build 0.20 exactly the same way you built 0.19? ...and how can you be sure you built them the same way, if yes.

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claybo:

Well, I'm using RPMs. From the ATRPMs repository. Same with my old 0.19.

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claybo:

I tried building 0.20 from source and had no extra luck. Same problems.

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Dagmar:

So basically, you don't know that 0.20 was built the same way as 0.19 then.

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claybo:

No guarantees, nope.

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claybo:

It was built by the same person though.

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Dagmar:

Yay

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Dagmar:

This means you only have to email one nutjob.

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Dagmar:

I'm not trying to be depressing, but a LARGE number of the packagers building this stuff could do with some formal training.

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Juski:

they could do with some guidance on how to name stuff too

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claybo:

Well, out of curiosity, why would I have the exact same problems if I built 0.20 myself from source as well?

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Juski:

oh and while we're at it, what to use as prefixes according to distros' known good practice

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Dagmar:

Because you made the same mistake

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Dagmar:

Juski: Definitely.

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Dagmar:

I'd be happy if people just _looked_ at the FHS every so often.

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claybo:

Dagmar, I'm not sure where my mistake would be though. I tried with two different ways of enabling XvMC without any luck.

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Juski:

but I tend to think that since some people are the only ones to actually bother _at_ _all_ maybe it's not worth grumbling too much

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Dagmar:

It's got it's problems (lack of /usr/libexec, the crazy /srvdata directory or whatever) but at least it's coherent in every other way

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: well i am looking throught the README for mythvideo now and it doesnt say anything of the sort

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Dagmar:

xzcvczx: I ain't clicking the mouse for you.

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Dagmar:

...especially since MythVideo's idea of thumbnails involve the one-video-per-screen view, and gets it's posters from imdb, and makes thumbnails from that.

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claybo:

Out of curiosity, where could I have messed up trying to build for XvMC? I enabled XvMC in the configure and it was able to build without complaining, which would lead me to believe that XvMC was built in properly.

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claybo:

And I do get a grey OSD.

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Dagmar:

claybo: The grey OSD is one of the "expected" problems.

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claybo:

But the grey OSD also indicates that XvMC is enabled.

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Dagmar:

There's a way around it that (I think) involves setting a flag in the db that enables chromakey OSD

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claybo:

Which would lead me to believe that my XvMC stuff was compiled in properly?

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claybo:

I have a GeForce 6200 which, unfortunately, doesn't support the chromakey hack.

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Juski:

claybo: true

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Dagmar:

It's an NV41 card?

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claybo:

I'm not sure which cards are NV41?

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Dagmar:

lspci

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Juski:

blimey the readme for mythvideo hasn't been updated since mythtv 0.17

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Dagmar:

03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1)

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claybo:

02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 6200 TurboCache(TM) (rev a1)

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Dagmar:

fun

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Dagmar:

It's nv43. Still digging

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Juski:

claybo: uh-oh.. TC is teh suck

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Dagmar:

Well, it's the suck for gaming

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Juski:

might be for xvmc too

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Dagmar:

That's what I'm digging for now

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claybo:

Well, XvMC appeared to be flawless in 0.19 with HD playback.

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claybo:

With the same machine.

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Juski:

this is all telling me not to rely on xvmc.. or at least nvidia xvmc

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Dagmar:

Frankly I'd say check the framerate with glxgears

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claybo:

Now I feel stupid. It appears I have no OpenGL acceleration right now... I must have lost it somewhere in the process here.

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Dagmar:

claybo: Well, that would be a sign right there.

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claybo:

Yep.

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Dagmar:

Rerun their installer script, it should be able to unbugger you libs

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Dagmar:

s/you/your/

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claybo:

Well, I did an apt-get on the nvidia packages before.

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claybo:

And I recall with the last version, I had to specifically install nvidia-glx as well, but that appears not to be doing anything anymore.

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Dagmar:

Screw that noise

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Dagmar:

Is your card PCIe or AGP?

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claybo:

PCIe.

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claybo:

Thanks for all your help so far, by the way, Dagmar.

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Dagmar:

dur I shouldn't have had to ask that

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Dagmar:

turbocache is a giveaway

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claybo:

I'll try running nvidia's installer script from their web site now.

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Juski:

claybo: erm.. you might want to uninstall it first

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Dagmar:

Get OpenGL going properly, and then try again

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Dagmar:

Juski: Actually, their installer will generally nuke/remove old/competing versions without a problem

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Juski:

and automagically configure a package manager so it thinks the package isn't installed? I doubt that

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Dagmar:

This is one of the cases where I just work around the package manager.

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Dagmar:

Especially since the package managers (people) in this case have shown themselves to not be capable of regularly getting a working driver out the door.

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Dagmar:

I say this because in web searching i'm seeing lots of problems from 6200 users, and damn near all of them are people using FC4/5 and ATRPMS

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Dagmar:

At least I've seen no indication that the 6200TC doesn't do MC

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Juski:

bah. been tasked with finding a big sata to sata raid box... as in one sats port to 12 or more hdds. someone must know they don't exist. I told them not to drop scsi or at least consider fiberchannel.

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claybo:

Hm, having some problems with the nvidia installer now... I have the kernel source installed on my system, but it isn't seeing it. I normally have no problems compiling stuff, so I don't know what's going on.

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Juski:

claybo: got the source symlinked to /usr/src/linux ?

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Dagmar:

claybo: Is the kernel source in /usr/src/linux, and is it _configured_. Basically, it needs to be the _configured_ source for the kernel you're running.

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stuarta:

morning all

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Juski:

morning stuarta

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stuarta:

anything interesting happening?

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Juski:

I almost decided to put my pc's keyboard through my monitor 5 minutes ago

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stuarta:

bit early for that isn't it?

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Juski:

been in for 2 hours

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stuarta:

only got out of bed 2hrs ago. mornings don't agree with me

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Juski:

yeah well javascript & firefox don't agree with our online ordering system

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Juski:

'waiting for intranet....' ad infinitum

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stuarta:

in times of need use konquerer. it emulates sufficient IE "features ahem..." that it works...

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Juski:

konqueror, for windows?

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stuarta:

oh well, you can just use the real POS when things don't work

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Juski:

I dunno why but I have this aversion to 'krazy' 'k' named programs

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Juski:

like dayglo signs...

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stuarta:

i understand...

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Juski:

.. and 'nite' spots

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Juski:

btw passes arrived yesterday :)

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stuarta:

oooo :)

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stuarta:

only 1 week left in this job.

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Juski:

only a few hours left in mine if I get found out for something... strategically placed (and very relevant) photocopy of a Dilbert cartoon

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Juski:

it's the one where the PHB announces they're moving their HQ to be nearer the CEO's house

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stuarta:

hehehe.

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stuarta:

time for brekky

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** stuarta goes for food. **

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claybo:

I'm headed to bed... I got glx enabled on my system, and have now found through tinkering that it's OpenGL vsync that is slowing down and hurting my video. Oh well, more to look into tomorrow... thanks for all the help, Dagmar!

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ikke_:

anyone know why some of my transcodes stop due this: *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0xb275d020 ***

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ikke_:

always the same recording

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ikke_:

should i file a bug?

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smooth:

how do I setup mythweb to use https?

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smooth:

do I compile with vhost support?

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stuarta:

ikke_: be nice if you could do some debugging.

[09:05:22]

ikke_:

tell me what

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stuarta:

does the transcode die if you run it by hand?

[09:06:27]

ikke_:

havent tried. do you know the command syntax, or do i go for man?

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stuarta:

you'll also need this -> http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2

[09:07:35]

stuarta:

mythtranscode --help

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ikke_:

there is something weird with the file, or the channel. i think this happens only on one channel

[09:08:04]

ikke_:

but the file is generated by mythtv, so...

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stuarta:

also is this 0.20-fixes or head?

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ikke_:

head, about couple weeks old

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stuarta:

try updating first. recent changes to stop transocde segfaulting

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sanmarcos:

does myth get information from lm sensors automatically?

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** ivor thinks JusKi should love the "K" **

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sanmarcos:

also, is an Athlon XP 2000+ (1.6ghz) enough for a myth box?

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ikke_:

ok, will do that. then i'll try manual transcode if still fails. if that still fails i recompile with --debug and come here with the situation on.

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stuarta:

good plan :)

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sanmarcos:

another question, if I have a PVR350, and a nvidia with tv out, which tv out should I use?

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** stuarta thinks ivor is biased **

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ikke_:

btw, mythbackend is not crashing, transcode fails and puts that in log.

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sanmarcos:

I know I can delegete the encoding/decoding of mpeg2 to the card, but is it possible to do that while retaining the menus, and output to tv?

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ikke_:

so i'll debug transcode, i assume. ok

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ivor:

stuarta: so? :D

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stuarta:

ikke_: yep

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ikke_:

stuarta: thanks.

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jave:

id like some usb device that can send ir control signals to my receiver etc. any hints?

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Juski:

ivor: I can neither love or hate KDE.. I don't see the linux desktop very often ;)

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ivor:

everyone loves KDE.

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Ruleke:

hehe

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stuarta:

i'm permanently scarred by CDE (Crappy Desktop Environment) on solaris

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Dagmar:

lol

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Dagmar:

The only default layout more hideous than HP's

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Dagmar:

Lavender, brown, ochre? Who but a pimp puts these colors together? HP!

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slaine_:

KDE makes me ill

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** slaine_ runs and hides **

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Ruleke:

Dagmar: hah

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stuarta:

dr who spinnoff torchwood starts in 2 weeks

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RaYmAn-Bx:

:D

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RaYmAn-Bx:

cool

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RaYmAn-Bx:

always nice to wake up with good news like that! :)

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stuarta:

it's the one thing I acheived reading the paper on the way to work :)

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Dagmar:

stuarta: REALLY? Where is the 411 on this?

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stuarta:

saw it in the paper. scheduled for 29th oct bbc3

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Dagmar:

stuarta: Leet!

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** stuarta looks at the beeb website **

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stuarta:

frigging flash!!!

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I wish I had BBC3 :/

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stuarta:

get a dvb-t card :-P

[09:59:49]

RaYmAn-Bx:

I doubt they send BBC3 on dvb-t in Denmark ;)

[10:00:10]

stuarta:

it's on Astra though

[10:01:47]

RaYmAn-Bx:

can't get satellite either :/

[10:03:18]

Dagmar:

Since they haven't the foresight to broadcast in the US, clearly I will have to resort to advanced technical measures not kosher for discussion in this channel

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Ruleke:

:)

[10:03:56]

Dagmar:

Now if they'd just sell the bloody DVDs _region-free_ it would make my life much simpler

[10:03:56]

stuarta:

Dagmar: what you are looking for is linked off the bbc website....

[10:04:54]

Dagmar:

stuarta: Not if you're not used to their website, but I did eventually find my way to http://www.bbc.co.uk/torchwood/index_nonflash.shtml

[10:05:06]

RaYmAn-Bx:

:( "If you are outside the UK you will not be able to watch any of the video on bbc.co.uk/torchwood for rights reasons."

[10:05:18]

Dagmar:

We'll see about that

[10:05:56]

Ruleke:

:)

[10:06:01]

Ruleke:

I'm not in the UK

[10:08:11]

Dagmar:

Jesus, more than half the site is restricted like that

[10:09:15]

Ruleke:

I don't see any restrictions ?

[10:09:16]

ivor:

blame the government.

[10:10:59]

stuarta:

blame the gnomes

[10:11:07]

Ruleke:

blame kde :p

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Ruleke:

ouch

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ivor:

dissin the 'K

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ivor:

tsch

[10:13:46]

Ruleke:

word

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Ruleke:

:P

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stuarta:

is it time for a pub lunch yet...?

[10:14:56]

Ruleke:

I think so

[10:15:01]

Ruleke:

past due

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stuarta:

not quite here :(

[10:15:42]

Ruleke:

hehe silly timezones

[10:16:08]

Dagmar:

Do you have a watch?

[10:16:15]

Dagmar:

Then it's the right time for the pub.

[10:16:30]

Ruleke:

I don't :(

[10:16:34]

Dagmar:

Then you'll just have to practice your alcoholism

[10:17:51]

** stuarta needs no practice **

[10:18:23]

Ruleke:

like riding a bicycle

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Ruleke:

and falling down

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sunnyhours4130:

inglesh? who use that?

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Juski:

no pub for me today. skintos

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** Juski nukes the I.T. nazis. www.hgst.com is blocked. why?! **

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stuarta:

ah, juski, you just need to tunnel using ssh

[10:26:21]

Juski:

sackable offence last time I looked

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sunnyhours4130:

lol

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Juski:

whoops, so is using the port I use to ssh into here

[10:26:53]

stuarta:

at least you have a business case for opening www.hgst.com

[10:27:17]

Juski:

youtube isn't blocked though. superscout my ass

[10:31:00]

xzcvczx:

Juski: hey i tried putting folder.jpg inside the folder but it didnt work any other ideas? (using 0.20)

[10:31:32]

Juski:

no other ideas

[10:31:35]

Juski:

use xbmc

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Juski:

:-P

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stuarta:

Beirdo: back again :)

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Juski:

xzcvczx: anyway I told you linux has NO FOLDERS

[10:34:04]

Juski:

they're _directories_

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Dagmar:

inside what "folder"?

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ivor:

never quite understood... whats the point of the +voice notation?

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stuarta:

"voices" can talk when a channel is moderated

[10:49:45]

stuarta:

also ban/unban users, general channel maintainence

[10:50:22]

ivor:

ah. k. didn't realise there were any additional permissions.

[10:50:23]

Juski:

Dagmar: do you not remember the question you chose to ignore because it's 'in the mythvideo readme' ?

[10:50:27]

Juski:

;-)

[10:50:39]

quicksilver:

I don't think voices can ban/unban

[10:50:51]

Juski:

that'd be +o I think

[10:50:57]

quicksilver:

right

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stuarta:

quicksilver: depends on the channel config

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quicksilver:

oh

[10:51:03]

quicksilver:

interesting

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stuarta:

but here "voices" can +o

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stuarta:

see :)

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ivor:

oooh. power!

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stuarta:

:)

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stuarta:

irc has evolved a lot in the last 10yrs...

[10:56:56]

Juski:

hmmm someone's been ordering Mac Pro .. 3 of...

[10:57:19]

stuarta:

got your eye one one of em?

[10:57:49]

Juski:

heh. if only. nice big monitors too

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** Juski chuckles at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/13/code_outrage/ **

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stuarta:

hehe

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Juski:

* we can do anything with winsock. (How fucking lame!) ... I wonder where that came from

[11:14:09]

ivor:

haha "/* The wanker can't remember his password */"

[11:14:32]

Dagmar:

But I *LOVE* code search

[11:14:42]

Juski:

it's a new game for me

[11:14:57]

Dagmar:

"buffer might" and "buffer should" are two of my favorites

[11:14:58]

Juski:

so far, I've found that 'tard is only in the translations for mythtv

[11:22:21]

Juski:

this is quite funny too: http://www.linuxhq.com/lnxlists/linux-kernel/ . . . sg00287.html

[11:25:26]

stuarta:

bored today?

[11:25:57]

Juski:

yeah. fgrepping the kernel for 'fuck' now.. coming up with plenty occurances

[11:25:58]

ivor:

its friday

[11:27:02]

Juski:

aye :)

[11:27:23]

Juski:

(in Vincent Price voice)... Friday the Thirteenth

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stuarta:

good night for a party

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ikke_:

stuarta: got mythtv compiled and still transcode fails. it's now in gdb.

[11:29:13]

Dagmar:

Juski: Too bad a fucking moron issued the complaint. Their test string to search for obscenities doesn't even work.

[11:30:51]

Juski:

Dagmar: that's the thing about complainants isn't it? ;-)

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stuarta:

normally issued by morons?

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stuarta:

ikke_: latest svn? good?

[11:30:52]

ikke_:

yes

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ivor:

ooh be careful, it's nearly US wake time... I'll get told off for "cursing".

[11:30:52]

Dagmar:

Juski: Oh of course

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Juski:

they might tell you you'll go to heck

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ikke_:

stuarta: transcode still crashes the same. lates svn with debug.

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** ivor checks ignore list. **

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ivor:

ah no I'll be ok.

[11:31:20]

ivor:

fucking puritanical tossers.

[11:31:42]

Juski:

I hope I do go to hell. it'd be more fun

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Dagmar:

Anyway, for as large as the kernel source is, and considering the number of hardware drivers involved, 50 incidences of the work "f**k" doesn't seem that bad

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** Juski wonders if the Christian Distro has been sanitized (sic) **

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Juski:

imagine the outcry if the source used to compile it contained cuss words!

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Dagmar:

Juski: No, not really.

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gbee:

Any ideas why MFE is unable to use /dev/adsp ? "Error opening audio device (/dev/adsp), the error was: Invalid argument"

[11:33:27]

Dagmar:

Juski: They were almost traumatized when I pointed out to them what XScreenSaver does with it's 'barcode' saver

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Juski:

hehh

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Dagmar:

I kinda don't think Christian Ubuntu is going to be around for much longer, for that reason

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gbee:

draws barcodes?

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Juski:

ach well. time to imbibe nicotine before I go postal

[11:35:05]

Dagmar:

gbee: It's _what_ it draws barcodes of that's the problem.

[11:35:23]

gbee:

ahh, well I'm in the dark there

[11:36:02]

Dagmar:

There's nothing quite like bringing investors through the office, and having a conversation with them about your security measures, only to have the word "PENIS" and/or "C*CK" go crawling across the screen in bright red letters an inch high under a barcode

[11:36:11]

Dagmar:

There's a lot of fun words in that one

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gbee:

heh

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Dagmar:

Of course, it could be worse

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Dagmar:

I used to have `fortune -o` in my root ~/.profiles to remind me to log back out

[11:42:02]

Dagmar:

...which I really wasn't thinking about when I was doing a presentation on a 20 foot projector screen

[11:42:02]

Dagmar:

I carefully adjusted things so that the text was readable on the xterm I was using, and then shelled into my house through a tunnel to demonstrate, and then su'd up

[11:42:02]

Dagmar:

Something about a man from somewhere or other and what he planned on doing to some nuns I think

[11:42:02]

gbee:

rofl

[11:43:50]

ikke_:

stuarta: gdb log here: http://pastebin.com/805791 , pastebin is little slow...

[11:44:48]

gbee:

so, back to my newb alsa prob – what am I missing? It's been using the OSS compat device /dev/dsp since I very first installed – thought I'd switched to /dev/adsp but ran into the above error

[11:45:06]

gbee:

veeerrry slllooow

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gbee:

try pastebin.ca instead

[11:45:37]

stuarta:

really f***ing slow

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gbee:

don't think it'll load in my lifetime

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stuarta:

reckon it'll be up by the time i get back from lunch??

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stuarta:

ooo, deleting a null pointer in VideoBuffers::DeleteBuffers

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stuarta:

though that should work

[11:47:47]

ikke_:

http://pastebin.ca/200796

[11:49:03]

ikke_:

stuarta: do you want me to run some gdb command now? i'm leaving within 5 mins. now but can help later...

[11:49:28]

stuarta:

i'm off to lunch, so we'll worry about it later.

[11:49:34]

ivor:

stuarta: yes "delete" a null piinter is fine....

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ikke_:

ok.

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ivor:

but this is doing free on one.

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gbee:

not delete, av_free

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gbee:

heh .. too slow

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ivor:

yup.

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stuarta:

which is not

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ivor:

boom

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stuarta:

theres a double free going on then... "av_free(allocated_arrays[i]);"

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stuarta:

valgrind time methinks.

[11:51:38]

stuarta:

back later.

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** stuarta goes to lunch **

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gbee:

not the first time I've seen this – looking back at the archives: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/194871

[12:00:44]

gbee:

I'd first check that it was even allocated in the first place, -v playback log should show the necessary info without the need for valgrinding

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gbee:

unless I've missed some earlier part of this conversation

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gbee:

so no ideas on alsa errors? hmm, guess I'll get back to work

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impulze:

hey

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impulze:

i'm able to play dvb/tv via mplayer dvb:// or tv:// or with kaffeine or any other programm using /dev/v4l/video0+

[12:25:42]

impulze:

but somehow in mythtv-setup i can't receive a channel list or it just finds 3 programs

[12:25:51]

impulze:

what can it be? do i have to choose another video source?

[12:25:58]

Juski:

dvb comes from /dev/dvb/adapterX/dvr0

[12:26:26]

impulze:

can't i just use the channels.conf created for mplayer?

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Juski:

you can, but first you have to set up the correct DEVICE in mythtv-setup

[12:28:12]

Juski:

if it's actually a DVB tuner, select that as the card type within the capture card setup page of mythtv-setup

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impulze:

i can't select that

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impulze:

that's probably the issue

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fish_:

btw: is there a tool to import the channel list from other tv apps?

[12:28:44]

impulze:

i can choose between several card types one of those is analogue

[12:28:58]

Juski:

impulze: maybe mythtv was compiled without dvb support then.

[12:29:01]

impulze:

but it's actually the dvb-t stick Terratec Cinergy T USB X2

[12:29:07]

impulze:

Juski: no it wasnt

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Juski:

impulze: if dvb isn't available from the card types menu, then it wasn't built with dvb enabled

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Juski:

argghhh stupid fucking software developers here. give me a program, an executable but none of the libraries I need. clueless twats

[12:30:17]

impulze:

dvb dtv capture card i can choose

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Juski:

impulze: that's the kind you need

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impulze:

oh

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impulze:

i wasn't sure what dtv was meant to be

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Juski:

you have a DVB tuner, so select DVB

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Juski:

digital tv

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impulze:

and since it opens a DiSEqC option i was wondering if it's not for dvb-s

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Juski:

you read too much into it. unusual for anyone who comes here to do that ;-)

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fryfrog:

mine has that too, just don't put anything there

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impulze:

what do you mean? :)

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fryfrog:

you can use it to rotate antennas too

[12:32:30]

fryfrog:

at least, in theory :)

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impulze:

ok

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Juski:

well if your setup supports it

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Juski:

my dvb-t tuners don't

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impulze:

i changed it to dvb-t, if that works now... i'm really mad

[12:33:23]

impulze:

i was playing around with video sources like some idiot :)

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** Juski chucks the FM at impulze **

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impulze:

FM?

[12:35:23]

Juski:

as in RTFM

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impulze:

ah

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impulze:

FM as in kamasutra?

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gbee:

anyone here understand Brazilian Portuguese?

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Juski:

impulze: har har

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kambei:

I thought it was pretty funny.

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Dibblah:

Is that like normal portugese with a strip down the middle?

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Juski:

this programmer dude is gonna get punched around the car park

[12:41:21]

Juski:

Dibblah: normal portugese without ANY, never mind a strip down the middle

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stuarta:

8-)

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Juski:

just aswell we spelled it wrongly, or it could be considered a bit dodgy to say that

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stuarta:

the whole concept is quite distracting....

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gbee:

heh

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Juski:

the "foo" bar is missing/not registered. Please murder whoever wrote the PoS that doesn't have the libs built in

[12:43:39]

Juski:

I obey....

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gbee:

well I picked up that this guy was saying something about code – but his mention of "Armies of Exigo" suggests he's either mistaken me for someone else or he is a spammer

[12:46:50]

stuarta:

(going back to ikke_'s problem) why is it resizing the video anyway?

[12:47:17]

gbee:

I've blocked him – I'm just hoping it wasn't someone on my driver project :/

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gbee:

resolution change? as per the old thread I posted?

[12:49:14]

gbee:

I'm just throwing out random stuff here, so if you tell me to shut up I won't be offended :p

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gbee:

I should be working but I'm bored ;)

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stuarta:

it's the exact same backtrace

[12:51:00]

Juski:

I am working & I'm bored

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stuarta:

i should be, but with a week left???

[12:54:50]

Dibblah:

That's disturbing – Find Lots Of Brazilian portuguese Available To Bid On Now At eBay UK!

[12:55:19]

stuarta:

thought slave trading was over

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Juski:

avrdude

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Juski:

bugger

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Juski:

Dibblah: that's funny

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stuarta:

hmmm. av_free supports being given a NULL ptr.

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gbee:

sod it, if I get this work done at least I don't have to do anything on the weekend

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Juski:

ooo 90 minutes left

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Juski:

clock watching, top UK work pastime

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stuarta:

specially on a friday

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stuarta:

av_free(*ptr) { if (ptr) free (ptr); }

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ivor:

LUNCH! damn I forgot to get lunch.

[13:03:31]

stuarta:

that should not die with SIGABRT

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stuarta:

!trout ivor lunch

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** MythLogBot slaps ivor with a lunch trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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quicksilver:

stuarta: if you're talking about ikke's transcode crash?

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stuarta:

yup

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quicksilver:

it wasn't a null pointer, just an invalid one

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stuarta:

it's null according to the backtrace.

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quicksilver:

09:54 < ikke_> anyone know why some of my transcodes stop due this: *** glibc

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quicksilver:

detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0xb275d020 ***

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stuarta:

but not according to gcc

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stuarta:

glibc

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seth|laptop:

question, anyone here using mythtv on a amd64 ubuntu box?

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quicksilver:

that's confusing

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quicksilver:

stuarta: I use mythtv on an amd64 debian box

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quicksilver:

seth|laptop: that was for you :P

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seth|laptop:

heh, thanks

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quicksilver:

but I must admit I run with a 32bit userland :(

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seth|laptop:

stuarta, how did you get the Lame MP3 encoding software installed, my xubuntu won't let me build mythtv without it. Is there a package or repo that has it available?

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Tommck:

!trout Tommck self-slapping

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** MythLogBot slaps Tommck with a self-slapping trout on behalf of Tommck... **

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** stuarta runs debian **

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Tommck:

Does anyone know why my mythfrontend would stop displaying on ratpoison? The process is running... but I have an empty desktop instead of seeing mythfrontend.... this has been running fine for weeks... any ideas?

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Juski:

it's healed over, that's what it is

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Tommck:

huh?

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Juski:

must... do.... work...... can't ..... be ...... bother... ed

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** seth|laptop guesses he can build lame form source, and that should work. Prepares....... **

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stuarta:

seth|laptop: you can probably get it from the debian repository...

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seth|laptop:

apt-get didn't help so much last night

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stuarta:

deb http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian-multimedia testing main

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stuarta:

same for deb-src / unstable etc...

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seth|laptop:

wow, its in there alright

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Tommck:

so... nobody has any ideas about a running mythfrontend that doesn't seem to be displaying?

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GreyFoxx:

Tommck: I've seen it before, and at the time it was a biggy version of the nvidia drivers, but that was long ago. I just killed it and restarted

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Tommck:

GreyFoxx – I just rebooted my whole machine... didn't help...

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Tommck:

restarted it a couple of times...

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Tommck:

tried mythwelcome instead...

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Tommck:

nothing works

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GreyFoxx:

So you can open xterms and such?

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Tommck:

good question ;)

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Tommck:

looks like it

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GreyFoxx:

and run mythfrontend from that xterm

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Tommck:

well... here's the annoying thing... I'm on a 65" HD tv... and I only see that running xterm changes the color of the screen... for some reason, it seems to run full-screen or something

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Tommck:

I don't seem to see the prompt.

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Tommck:

I guess I could just blind type

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Tommck:

i'm running out of my .xinitrc file

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Tommck:

I'll try one or two other things...

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Tommck:

how do I figure out my nvidia driver version?

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GreyFoxx:

you could check your X log

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GreyFoxx:

it would say it in there

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Tommck:

ahh..

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Tommck:

1.0.8762

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GreyFoxx:

the ones I had specific trouble with were 81xx

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Tommck:

interesting

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GreyFoxx:

but I'm still using 7xxx now

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GreyFoxx:

I went back to what worked and left it there :)

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Tommck:

damn

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Tommck:

yeah... I can run an xterm... then run mythfrontend... and I get no display

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fryfrog:

In mythweb, under "Recording Schedules" all but one of my shows is kind of a brown color in the table. Once is purple though, any idea what the colors mean?

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fryfrog:

is it like the upcomming recordings where it means *something* (and listings?)

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stuarta:

fryfrog: try pointing/clicking in the top left corner

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fryfrog:

of one of the shows or the whole thing?

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fryfrog:

oh :)

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fryfrog:

AHHH!

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scopeuk:

lol

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fryfrog:

I guess what I find odd is that in upcoming recordings, the colors are what I thought

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scopeuk:

nice conversationwith yourself there fryfrog

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fryfrog:

ie, right

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fryfrog:

in the schedules though, they are all brown (unknown)

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fryfrog:

Does anyone watch "House"?

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stuarta:

boring

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fryfrog:

is it? I've only flipped passed it and wondered what it was like :)

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GreyFoxx:

I like it

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stuarta:

pretty since it was filmed in HD

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gbee:

little repetative – but you can say the same for 99% of tv

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Tommck_:

House is great

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GreyFoxx:

but if we all liked the same stuff it would be boring :)

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regicide666:

I enjoy it

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gbee:

I watch it – better IMHO than CSI etc

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stuarta:

okay. I mildly enjoyed the episode i saw :)

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fryfrog:

I *think* my mom watches or likes it, but it isn't showing up on search in myth

[14:00:52]

fryfrog:

aparantly, they are on a break until oct 31st or something

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Tommck_:

yeah... until after the baseball playoffs

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regicide666:

yea baseball

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stuarta:

blergh

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GreyFoxx:

Any upnp users around ?

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fryfrog:

I have something I don't get going on. I get IOBOUND errors on my remote backend with two HD firewire boxes on them. The shows end up about 7G. I can copy 7G in 10 minutes with scp from the backend, through a gige switch, to a 100mbit switch, to another system in 10 minutes

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fryfrog:

Why is my slave backend with gige -> gigeswitch -> master backend getting IOBOUND?

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Tommck_:

are you sure it's network IO?

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fryfrog:

the slave BE has the recordings dir mounted via nfs

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fryfrog:

and the master be has far far fewer IOBOUND errors in the logs

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fryfrog:

I did some tests with dd and my raid5 will write at ~70mb/sec locally, 30mb/sec over network from slave be

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fryfrog:

I did a bunch of nfs tweaking :?

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fryfrog:

it seemed to help some, but I still see IO bound

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fryfrog:

I'd welcome ways to test/eliminate stuff though :)

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BULLE:

just grep kernel source for the constant part of the error message ? =)

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fryfrog:

its not a kernel error, its a mythbackend error

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BULLE:

ah

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BULLE:

sorry, i was thinking nfs, and network, and then just thought it was the linux kernel

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fryfrog:

ah

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buddy:

good morning everyone :)

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fryfrog:

2006-10–13 10:02:14.447 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND begin cnt(9400) free(8659)

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fryfrog:

is what I see, and it *ends* in ~0.1 sec

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buddy:

quick question i installed mythtv via mythdora. Well mythdora dosen't install with the QT libs. How would I go about installing QT libs?

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BULLE:

buddy: "yum install qt" ?

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BULLE:

buddy: if you have yum setup and network working

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buddy:

apt-get yes to network

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gbee:

stuarta: new fixup for you, if the first word of a description is followed by a full stop then it's a subtitle

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buddy:

yes yum also set up

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buddy:

well yum in on server but o repositories set

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fryfrog:

Does anyone recall where the HD ringbuffer setting is in setup?

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stuarta:

gbee: really. hmmm.

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stuarta:

i need to put a broom through those fixups.

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gbee:

the. new. EIT. data. for. Five. US. seems. to. follow. that. convention.

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stuarta:

need a good regexp for 24: 8:00pm to 9:00pm

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stuarta:

({d}+1:00[ap]m to {d}+1:00[ap]m) or similar

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Juski:

reminds me. need to check I'm recording "death of a president" tonight

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stuarta:

monty python on sunday night

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gbee:

Hmm, not sure I really like the idea of programme specific fixups but if it's the only way

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stuarta:

no me either.

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stuarta:

but would be a perfect candidate for a use defined fixup.

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stuarta:

user

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gbee:

Juski: got that one in my schedules, it's being repeated a lot though so it'll probably not record tonights

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gbee:

stuarta: aye

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Juski:

I thought I'd set up a custom rule to get it

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gbee:

could just use a single record rule?

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Juski:

no I meant I thought the rule I set previously when I 1st heard about the show would have caught it

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Juski:

oo and HIGNFY is back tonight :)

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stuarta:

huh?

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Juski:

have I got news for you, aka HIGNFY

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ivor:

cool

[14:28:17]

ivor:

aarrrggggggggg

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Juski:

gordon ramsay guest presenting

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stuarta:

ahh.

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ivor:

I can't schedule it, mythweb doesn't work.

[14:28:27]

Juski:

ayyyy

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ivor:

bugger

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** Juski goes home via the off-licence **

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Juski:

ttfn

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fryfrog:

what season is 24 on? 5th? 6th?

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stuarta:

old news. hans reiser got arrested

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ivor:

yeah we know.

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stuarta:

i didn't

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stuarta:

must have been living under a rock

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fryfrog:

i only found out yesterday, don't feel bad :)

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ivor:

very sad

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stuarta:

still using his fs :)

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fryfrog:

hehe, me too :)

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ivor:

yup me to.

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stuarta:

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BULLE:

ironic that it seems that reiser4 finaly might get accepted into main kernel

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gbee:

actually, the way the subtitles are being handled by Five US etc causes problems (may be the same for Five?) – one or even four words we can assume it's a subtitle – but longer subtitles ...

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stuarta:

when does five us start?

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fryfrog:

wtf is fine us?

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fryfrog:

er, five?

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** stuarta makes a note to rescan his channels. **

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stuarta:

ch5 aka five US aka U.S.A

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fryfrog:

oh

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opello:

but we name our channels

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fryfrog:

i thought you meant a show called "Five US" :)

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fryfrog:

and channel 5 in one city isn't the same in another city

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stuarta:

that's the channel name :)

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** ivor decides to try and get mythweb working again. :( **

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fryfrog:

OH!

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fryfrog:

ahahah

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opello:

my 5 is a local nbc affiliate :p

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opello:

there's a channel named 'five'?

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fryfrog:

What are some shows that "moms" like?

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opello:

csi?

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fryfrog:

I put Lost and ummm

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fryfrog:

Battlestar in

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fryfrog:

I built them a box, but the poor thing only has an 80G drive!

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stuarta:

opello: 1 = bbc1, 2 = bbc2, 3 = itv, 4 = ch4, 5 = five

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fryfrog:

(its all "spare" parts)

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opello:

stuarta: so 'five' isn't station in the united states?

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stuarta:

uk

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opello:

ok :)

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opello:

thanks for clearing that up

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gbee:

stuarta: Next Monday or Tuesday (Five Life starts one day, Five US the other – can't remember the order)

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fryfrog:

what shows does it have?

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fryfrog:

is it a mix of us shows from differnet networks or?

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gbee:

so 4 days from now :)

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gbee:

mix afaik

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stuarta:

five life = oct 15gh five US = oct 16th according to digital spy.

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gbee:

Life is chat shows and that sort of rubbish

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ivor:

why aren't my environmental variables getting to mythweb.

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ivor:

goddamnit

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gbee:

the starting lineup of Five US is depressingly poor :)

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Phonica:

hey all, which is the plugin for a web browser in mythtv?

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** gbee uses x11-forwarding to run mythtv-setup **

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Tommck_:

Phonica – it's called google... geez

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gbee:

just can't, no matter how hard I try, get x11-forwarding to work on the box I setup with knoppmyth

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gbee:

mythbrowser

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Phonica:

ty

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BULLE:

gbee: what distro ?

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BULLE:

gbee: ehm, sorry

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BULLE:

gbee: checked so that knoppmyth doesnt disable tcp/ip forwarding when starting x ?

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Tommck_:

type "mythv browser plugin" into google and click "I'm feeling lucky"

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gbee:

BULLE: tried most things, but I'll go back and try again

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BULLE:

gbee: check the line that starts x

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gbee:

I'm switching that box to mandriva soon anyway

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BULLE:

gbee: /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7

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BULLE:

gbee: notice the -nolisten tcp setting, you might have it

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stuarta:

invalid pointer! arse.

[14:46:01]

jams:

so who wants to mail their ubunta alsa init script to me?

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Tommck_:

jams for what?

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jams:

so I can take a look at it

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Tommck_:

jams – are you trying you use s/pdif?

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jams:

no I just want the stock ubunta alsa init script

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ivor:

AHA! anyone else running Apache 2.2.2 and PHP 5.1.2 ?

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Tommck_:

hmm.. you're not talking about asound.conf then?

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jams:

nope /etc/init.d/alsa

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Tommck_:

jams -ahh.. ok

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jams:

or something close to that

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Tommck_:

alsa-utils

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Tommck_:

I will... email address?

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ivor:

for some reason mythweb isn't picking up the environmental variables in the .htaccess file.

[14:48:42]

ivor:

who's a mythweb expert?

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jams:

thanks Tommck_ , msg'd my email addess to you

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jams:

sorry ivor, mythweb expert I am not

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qu0zl:

ivor, apache controls what can be over-riden by those .ht files on a per directory basis. you may need to losen the permissions for that dir

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stuarta:

arse. can't tunnel mythtv-setup to rescan my channels....!

[14:51:40]

qu0zl:

ivor, check out the "AllowOverride" directive

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ivor:

qu0zl: no that's all set right. for some reason the regex in the Files section in the .htaccess file isn't being picked up.

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ivor:

changing the regex fixes the problem.

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qu0zl:

ahh k

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ivor:

hence my question about what apache/php version people were using.

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vballrican:

hello everyone

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stuarta:

what's the channum's for five life & five us??

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stuarta:

never mind

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vballrican:

is it possible to add my old mythtv hd and copy the db records & recordings over and it will work?

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gbee:

35/36 – there was a little reordering the other day, Film 4, ITV4, E4+1 etc moved down to 29/30/31

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gbee:

no necessarily in that order, or those channels, or even those numbers

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gbee:

but something *like* that ;)

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stuarta:

yeah, found it on digital spy. doing my rescan by hand :)

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stuarta:

these new Five EIT monkeys are crap. '.' does no deliniate the subtitle!

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gbee:

?

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stuarta:

gbee: if you read the channel listing, *every* show has '.' deliniating the subtitle. grrrrr.

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gbee:

ahh, thought you were saying that '.' wasn't deliniating the subtitle :p

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stuarta:

it's not something we can use to accurately find subtitles.

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gbee:

you see what I was saying earlier :/

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fryfrog:

Does anyone have phpmyadmin on the same site as their mythweb?

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stuarta:

i had to manually insert the channels into my database first :)

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gbee:

we can use it in a % of cases – e.g. 3/4 word or less subtitles, but it's not going to work brilliantly

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stuarta:

yeah, some subtitles are 10–15 words long :(

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Fnc:

morning all

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stuarta:

they've gone and invented a new marking for subtitle too [ST]

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gbee:

however given the number of subtitles which are less than 5 words, it's still worth doing imho

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Fnc:

does anyone know if someones done a heads up comparison of ATSC tuners – as far as which one has the better tuner?

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stuarta:

yeah. does it for '?' already, so might steal that one...

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fryfrog:

Fnc: I think for HD, the tuner isn't really going to matter

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fryfrog:

if it gets a signal, it'll be perfect

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fryfrog:

if it doesn't, it won't wrok

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fryfrog:

work

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fryfrog:

its not like analog where you'll see fuzz or ghosting or what not

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scopeuk:

digital clif edge

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scopeuk:

before it perfect at it lego beyond it nothing

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** stuarta tests new eitfixup **

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Fnc:

fry thats so not true

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Fnc:

my voom box.. gets and locks on stuff... my pci tuners dont

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vballrican:

what can i check if my commercial auto-skip doesn't work?

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fryfrog:

Fnc: which jives with what I said? Either the tuner will work or it wont?

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fryfrog:

vballrican: define "doesn't work"?

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ShockValue:

hey fry, does your firewire work 100% of the time with the script you wrote?

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vballrican:

fryfrog: it won't skip commercials when it's turned on

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BULLE:

vballrican: does the commercial flagging find and flag commercials ? =)

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fryfrog:

ShockValue: actually, i don't use my script anymore

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fryfrog:

ShockValue: I found that broadcast was more accurate

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fryfrog:

ShockValue: but not, it didn't work 100% and it still has *some* issues

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fryfrog:

ShockValue: I am in the process of making my script support p2p *and* broadcast though :)

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stuarta:

gbee: fixup for you -> http://pastebin.ca/201085

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stuarta:

not entirely happy with it, but it gets more right than wrong.

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gbee:

ok, I'll give it a go :)

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stuarta:

i'll get feedback tomorrow with a view to committing it.

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xavier:

hi every1

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xavier:

whts the easiest way to install mythtv on ubuntu ? anything like Automatix for Mythtv?

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stuarta:

gbee: it's gunna need to to the concatination of '...' '..' first...

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beavis:

xavier, look for Mario Limonciello on gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv

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xavier:

okay

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netrix:

can anyone recommend a good ir reciever for use with lircd? i am usinga home brew one and it works alright, but i have a feeling a prefab one might work better.

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ivor:

netrix: just perfect your DIY skills. a homebrew one should work fine.

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fryfrog:

netrix: is it slow?

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netrix:

ivor: meh ... i'd rather just buy a commercial one.

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fryfrog:

netrix: i mean, how could a store bought one be "better"?

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ivor:

if you've built one it's unlikely a store bought one is going to be "better". it's just an IR receiver after all

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fryfrog:

the only thing i could think of would be speed, and my "store bought" one is slow too :)

[16:56:46]

netrix:

fryfrog: i noticed that the pvr 350 remote and reciever are very snappy. using my universal rca remote with my home brew ones seems a little sluggish.

[16:56:51]

Dagmar:

Astonishingly, not everyone should be allowed to use a soldering pencil for their own safety.

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fryfrog:

netrix: oh?

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ivor:

Dagmar: and they can drive? gulp.

[16:57:07]

Dagmar:

...and the use of a soldering pencil is not as obvious as some might think.

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netrix:

netrix: yeah ... tho i didn't build my home brew ones, i bought them from someone who built them for me.

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scopeuk:

soldeing pencils should be licensed

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netrix:

i can solder stuff .. just don't want to.

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ivor:

netrix: more likely your IR capture/lirc setup needs cleaning up that's all.

[16:57:39]

scopeuk:

ive been lucky so far and not burt myself to bad

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Dagmar:

When I took the electronics class at the community college, I was the only person in the room who actually knew the _correct_ and _complete_ ways of their uses.

[16:57:50]

netrix:

was loojing at this one: http://www.evation.com/irman/

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ivor:

unlikely to actually be the construction of the receiver thats at fault.

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Dagmar:

This included an electrical engineer, and a whole bunch of "techs"

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netrix:

ivor: really? what do you mean by clean up?

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ivor:

how did you make your IR codes? did you "capture them" download them or write them yourself?

[16:58:26]

scopeuk:

Dagmar never qualified myself as anythign other than a self taught audio tech

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netrix:

ivor: captured them.

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netrix:

is there a better way? i can pastbin my configuration if you want to see it.

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Dagmar:

ivor: Nice box but a little pricey

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scopeuk:

although ive been solderign a good 10 years now

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ivor:

ok so it's possible you have "bounces in there" or you've got multiple key events for each code. that kind of thing.

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Dagmar:

scopeuk: How many times you seen someone use one and say "heat the work, not the solder"

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ivor:

Dagmar: box? price? eh?

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Dagmar:

scopeuk: The method for larger things (such as you'd use a bulky soldering gun for) is the opposite as it is for pencil work. Practically common f'up #1

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netrix:

definately. i tried a number of remotes and finally settled on this rca one. it works well but somes you need a double press to get it to do something. via the keyboard and system is very snappy however.

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netrix:

so i figured my serial based ir reciever wasn't the greatest and thats why i asked.

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Dagmar:

ivor: The one I got from IguanaWorks was cheaper, but didn't come in a case, which was fine. I hacksawed the face off a robot I bought at KayBee Toys and put the elements in it's eyes

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Zider:

I just found a pci-express dvb card

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Zider:

neat

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seth|laptop:

now thats a pretty good way to solve an issue

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scopeuk:

Dagmar never i never too ka class with otehr people soldering

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Dagmar:

scopeuk: For me, it was an eye-opener.

[17:01:29]

scopeuk:

not where i wasent demonstrating apparently at school i was the onyl one who knew which way roudn one whent

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Dagmar:

scopeuk: I *thought* it was more common knowledge until I took a class on it

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netrix:

ivor: so whats the better way to create the lirc configuration?

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fryfrog:

yeah, i have the same query :)

[17:02:07]

scopeuk:

yeh think at some point his year i have a lab class on ccuit assembly which will involve soldering

[17:02:18]

Dagmar:

netrix: Pray there's one in the archive o' configuration files, or buy a remote that is listed in there.

[17:02:40]

Dagmar:

scopeuk: Try not to laugh at the people who melt their components, don't know about wetting the sponge, or tinning their pencil.

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fryfrog:

Does anyone have a Harmony?

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** seth|laptop wants a harmony in the worst way **

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fryfrog:

I got a harmony, and when you pick "mythtv" it emulates the PVR350s remote

[17:03:23]

** seth|laptop needs to wait for christmas **

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fryfrog:

I was *hoping* to find a way to just set it to its own settings and see if i can recieve via IR them

[17:03:52]

fryfrog:

but most of the buttons are active, so i might not even bother :)

[17:04:05]

fryfrog:

I got the $75 688 from newegg

[17:04:13]

fryfrog:

i like it so far and haven't even used the advanced stuff yet :)

[17:04:13]

netrix:

Dagmar: wouldn't many of the configs in the archive have been created by using irrecord anyways?

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seth|laptop:

well, can't you just program the remote with keyboard keystrokes, like make a whole new template

[17:04:23]

fryfrog:

seth|laptop: i did

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fryfrog:

but there are like 3 kesy that don't seem to send

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Dagmar:

netrix: Yes, but using irrecord is not as sure-fire as you might think (translation: rarely gets it close to right)

[17:05:30]

Dagmar:

There really isn't a more painful way to do it than using irrecord

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fryfrog:

oh?

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fryfrog:

what would be a better way?

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netrix:

Dagmar: i did notice with the first remote i tried (a sony) that it was really hit and miss. the rca one i used now seemed to be very easy to get going with irrecord.

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netrix:

yeah thats what i wanna know ...

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seth|laptop:

I was hoping to set up my harmony using the keystroke already recorded in my knoppmyth. They worked well with my ATI Remote Wonder, I guess I'll need a windows machine to program it?

[17:05:54]

fryfrog:

i guess i can use the haupage pvr 350 template?

[17:05:59]

Zider:

fryfrog: are you using the harmony IR receiveror the harmony remote? or both?

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fryfrog:

harmony remote with a "generic" serial port that came with my air2pc card

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netrix:

i guess the pre-fab configs people created and done by having intimate knowledge of the remote and they don't use irrecord at alll ... <?>

[17:06:42]

fryfrog:

Is there a Harmony IR reciever?

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Zider:

yes

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fryfrog:

neat

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fryfrog:

usb or?

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Zider:

yeah looks like it

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Dagmar:

netrix: That's a possibility

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ivor:

netrix: FAQ-4: http://www.lirc.org/faq.html

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fryfrog:

I wonder how/where one can get it?

[17:08:21]

Zider:

fryfrog: deltaco has it, so any shop that can order from there? :)

[17:08:29]

Dagmar:

I think after you pay several large sacks of gold and gems for the remote they throw the reciever in for free

[17:08:44]

fryfrog:

ahh, that would explain why i didn't get one

[17:08:48]

fryfrog:

i bought the cheap harmony :)

[17:09:30]

netrix:

ivor: um, okay. i wasn't considering using a serial to usb adaptor tho.

[17:09:35]

seth|laptop:

so I have an ir receiver that came with my MCE remote/pvr150 purchase, I wonder if it is basic enough that the harmony could talk to it.

[17:09:55]

fryfrog:

seth|laptop: mine is talking to a generic one just fine

[17:09:58]

scopeuk:

does the harmoney nto emulate a 150 remote?

[17:09:59]

seth|laptop:

or if it specific to the MCE remote

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fryfrog:

the MCE remotes use 5C, so...

[17:10:03]

ivor:

netrix: ah sorry, FAQ4... section 3! :)

[17:10:07]

Zider:

seems to be impossible to find a simple little serial port IR receiver atany retailer here :/

[17:10:15]

netrix:

ivor: ok ... thanks :)

[17:10:29]

ivor:

the bit about RC5 codes

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seth|laptop:

well I built my irblaster, I suppose I could build an IR receiver

[17:10:58]

Zider:

I tried to build a receiver.. but it doesn't work :/

[17:11:10]

ivor:

i.e. you can give irrecord hints about the protocol to use which can result in a better capture file

[17:11:14]

seth|laptop:

well thats good news fryfrog. You say you got it at newegg?

[17:11:52]

fryfrog:

seth|laptop: yes sir!

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Zider:

seth|laptop: build me one too :)

[17:13:00]

seth|laptop:

I worked for Radio Shack for 8 years, in management, they taught me to solder, and I got all the parts there. Piece of cake. :-)

[17:13:40]

Zider:

yeah, I know how to solder too.. and I gotall the parts.. still doesn't sowk tho :/

[17:13:52]

seth|laptop:

but if it works with my MCE ir receiver, that would be even better, as it is now built in to my htpc case, I just need to plug it back in again.

[17:13:53]

Zider:

work

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netrix:

i guess this is my main problem. when i use irw i notice sometimes a keypress on my remote results in two signals being recieved. any way to teak my config to fix that?

[17:15:20]

seth|laptop:

when I upgraded from knoppmyth R5C7 to R5D1, I had the same issue with the dual signal, I remember reading something in the forums to fix it. I will have to go back through and check

[17:15:25]

netrix:

this is the ir reciever i am using ... i acutally bought them from this girl in italy who made them for me. http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/

[17:17:22]

netrix:

she sells them for $15usd. i bought a few and got them for $11. really can't go wrong.

[17:18:33]

netrix:

oh, and this is the remote i am using: http://www.efunctional.com/rcarcr815.html

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seth|laptop:

ok as far as the keys repeating, have you messed around at all with the "repeat=" option in lircrc in ~/.mythtv ?

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der_oschni:

nabend

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der_oschni:

err, good evening

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netrix:

seth|laptop: i have, but not in a while. it didn't seem to help much because the repeating doesn't always happen.

[17:23:38]

netrix:

maybe i will mess around with it s'more.

[17:24:11]

netrix:

the whole thing isin't horrible, but was trying to figure out how to make it better. my gf still prefers the wireless keyboards over the remotes however.

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seth|laptop:

the other thing I saw in the knoppmyth forums was more than one lircd daemon running

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netrix:

seth|laptop: hm, thats definately not it. i only have one going.

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scopeuk:

Nem^ wirelesskeybaords make administration much easier

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Honk:

11$ for an ir receiver?

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netrix:

Honk: ...?

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Honk:

that's expensive

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Honk:

i bought mine for less than 2

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Honk:

:p

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xzcvczx:

is there a way to adjust the channel frequency while watching tv in mythfrontend?

[17:26:59]

netrix:

scopeuk: my gf stils on the couch with the wireless kybd on the coffee table and operats it with her feet.

[17:27:09]

netrix:

Honk: wow ... okay that is cheap. where?

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scopeuk:

netrix lol

[17:27:14]

Honk:

ebay

[17:27:40]

Honk:

though it's a serial one

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netrix:

Honk: figured 11 bucks was pretty cheap considering i didn't need to do anything but pay and retrieve them from the mailbox.

[17:28:09]

xzcvczx:

netrix: making its half the fun

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Honk:

netrix: 11$ is ok, if it's usb :P

[17:28:43]

netrix:

xzcvczx: yeah i could see some people having fun with that. but i'd rather fuck around with software than with solder. meh.

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** scopeuk loses track of how many tiems hes should have probably been of that oppinion **

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xzcvczx:

working

[17:30:32]

seth|laptop:

well I can't find much else netrix, but I tried, heh

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seth|laptop:

fryfrog, did you get the silver or the black 688?

[17:31:03]

netrix:

seth|laptop: thanks dude ... i appreciate it.

[17:32:04]

netrix:

can anyone comment on this particular circuit? http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/?partType=section . . . Name=circuit

[17:32:12]

seth|laptop:

I just had to change some settngs regarding the "repeat" portion of the config file, and Mine worked again. But I usually use my logitech g15 keyboard, and I leave the remote to the wife. heh

[17:33:19]

xzcvczx:

netrix: works perfectly easy to make and can fit in a serial box thingie

[17:33:20]

netrix:

seth|laptop: can you pastebin your lircrc?

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xzcvczx:

like i have all the components in the serial case and then a wire coming out to the reciever

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scopeuk:

seth|laptop g15 with myth?

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netrix:

xzcvczx: is the same circuit you built?

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scopeuk:

bit overkill and over budget isent it

[17:33:58]

xzcvczx:

netrix: it is

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seth|laptop:

I would if I was at home, but I am still at work. :-(

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: the black one was $5 more, so I go the silver one :)

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netrix:

xzcvczx: cool ... so you find it works well?

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seth|laptop:

fryfrog, I was just wondering if there was a difference

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xzcvczx:

works perfectly if they give you the right resistor

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: not from what I could tell

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netrix:

lol

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netrix:

so maybe it is my remote or i need to play with the repeat more ... hrmm.

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fryfrog:

aparantly, black is just harder to make? absorbs more light you know :/

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seth|laptop:

heh

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netrix:

seth|laptop: damn ... okay let me just ask you this. did you generally set the same repeat value for every key? or did you need to test to find the optimal value for each key?

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ShockValue:

fryfrog : i would like to use your new broadcast script, because my p2p setup (using your script) still only works 75% of the time

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ShockValue:

fryfrog: i have the harmony 688 too :)

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fryfrog:

ShockValue: compile the "firewire_tester" found in the contrib dir

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fryfrog:

run with "-B" option

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fryfrog:

it'll fix broadcast if it isn't working, then just change settings in myth

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fryfrog:

this is what I use now, and it works 95% of the time

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ShockValue:

with no script otherwise?

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fryfrog:

I had a few shows this morning that failed, but it might have been because i was fucking around with the physical cable

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fryfrog:

right, no script

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fryfrog:

well

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seth|laptop:

netrix, I was mostly having trouble with tv side of the house, so I reduced everything by one. And that seemed to cure it

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fryfrog:

i think i still use the 6200ch script

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seth|laptop:

netrix here, I tunneled in http://pastebin.ca/201183

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seth|laptop:

now this is for an ATI Remote wonder, and I have tweaked it a bit

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ShockValue:

i was also wishing i could just program my harmony remote.. but i couldnt find a way to do it.. so i just screwed around with the 1 device until it worked like i wanted

[17:40:44]

ShockValue:

but i had to use some trickery

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netrix:

seth|laptop: thanks for pastebin'ing it.

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seth|laptop:

np

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netrix:

seth|laptop:laptop: looking at the output of irw and your example i think i will try playing with the repeat value and see if it helps.

[17:44:29]

fryfrog:

Has anyone taken their IR reciever for the PVR250 and figured out how to hook it to the serial port?

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xzcvczx:

fryfrog: that circuit netflix showed earlier shoulod work

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xzcvczx:

the pvr250 reciever should just be the ir module

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fryfrog:

I saw that, but I have a PVR250's IR lead (cable and ir unit) that i'm not using?

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fryfrog:

you don't think it has any of the resistors in the device?

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xzcvczx:

yeah so just make the rest of the circuit

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xzcvczx:

would doubt it

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xzcvczx:

thats probably all on the pvr

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xzcvczx:

but im sorry i cant help with which is power and gnd and data

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fryfrog:

in that diagram, power and gnd were connected, no?

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xzcvczx:

yeah they are all connected but i dont know which one would go to where on the 3.5mm audio jack on the end

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fryfrog:

ah, i gotcha

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fryfrog:

so i'd have to identify them

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xzcvczx:

yeah

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fryfrog:

and the ir reciever itself isn't expensive or anything

[17:48:02]

fryfrog:

so i may as well build the *whole* thing :)

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xzcvczx:

and you probably dont want to pump power into the data

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xzcvczx:

was $10 nzd for me

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xzcvczx:

the most expensive part of mine

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scopeuk:

xzcvczx logic buffer?

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scopeuk:

to save pumbeling the data line

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xzcvczx:

logic buffer?

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xzcvczx:

oh

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scopeuk:

you string two ttl not gates togeather

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fryfrog:

basically, its a voltage regulator, ir reciever, diode, capacitor and resistor?

[17:49:17]

scopeuk:

basicaly you blow it you lose 1$ worth of componant

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xzcvczx:

fryfrog: yup

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ShockValue:

fryfrog: i just built 2 of them with no experience soldering w/ parts from rat-shack

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fryfrog:

I think I will stop on the way home and get the parts :)

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ShockValue:

they're not "professional" looking, but they work :)

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fryfrog:

did radio shack have the dis-assemblable serial port?

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

actually

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xzcvczx:

ShockValue: mine looks professional due to the heatshrink i got from work

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fryfrog:

I have a few for networking equipment

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fryfrog:

a couple of cat5-serial and a few serial-cat5

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fryfrog:

that'd be great

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ShockValue:

yeah, they had everything i needed, although it took a bunch of searching to find the IR reciever, it wasnt with the rest of the parts

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fryfrog:

ah

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ShockValue:

this was the only one they had: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?p . . . tPage=search

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ShockValue:

but i live in an area where it was either radio shack or online.. and i was impatient :)

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fryfrog:

man, recording over firewire is awsome

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fryfrog:

a one hour show is only like 1G and looks great

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fryfrog:

much smaller than the 2.2G that an mpeg2 pvrX50 ended up

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fryfrog:

did you put your serial cable on a wire or all in the box or what?

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fryfrog:

how did you know that the IR reciever was the right one Shock?

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xzcvczx:

fryfrog: all the stuff in the serial case except the reciever which is on a ~1m 4 way cable bluetacked to my monitor

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fryfrog:

ahh

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fryfrog:

why 4way cable?

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fryfrog:

it only needs 3 wires, no?

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fryfrog:

or 4 wire is what you had?

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xzcvczx:

yes, but there were no 3 way cables at work

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fryfrog:

ah

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xzcvczx:

:P

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fryfrog:

ShockValue: any idea where to find the 5v regulator on the site?

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fryfrog:

rs site?

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fryfrog:

ah, nm

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fryfrog:

any 5v reg should work, right?

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** scopeuk gets confused rs electronics is also an electronics company where i am **

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fryfrog:

rs = radioshack :)

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scopeuk:

i guessed that much

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xzcvczx:

just seach for 78l05?

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fryfrog:

wow, i like rs's shopping card :)

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fryfrog:

cart

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scopeuk:

stil lconfusign to have too rs electroncis shops

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xzcvczx:

or whatever it is

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gbee:

aggh, just found a copy/paste error which has meant the last few versions of this software have been running a resource intensive section of code twice in a row instead of just the once :(

[18:01:20]

xzcvczx:

why is there nothing decent on tv at 7am? :(

[18:01:38]

fryfrog:

sorry to ask dumb questions... but there are 3 different 4.7uF caps on radioshack

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fryfrog:

2 are obvious, 35v and 50v

[18:01:50]

gbee:

because most people are getting ready for work?

[18:01:53]

fryfrog:

but the 3rd is... i don't see anything diff?

[18:02:32]

fryfrog:

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fryfrog:

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fryfrog:

wtf is "axial lead"?

[18:02:58]

fryfrog:

oh

[18:03:05]

fryfrog:

looks like the lead goes in one side, out the other?

[18:03:11]

fryfrog:

and in the other one it goes in/out the bottom

[18:03:12]

gbee:

shape

[18:03:28]

fryfrog:

looks like the in one side, out the other would be easier to do w/o a bread board

[18:03:58]

fryfrog:

jesus

[18:04:07]

fryfrog:

all they have is a 50 pack of diodes :p

[18:04:22]

xzcvczx:

i would prefer the same end one i think as otherwise it makes the circuit a fair bit bigger

[18:04:28]

xzcvczx:

if that makes sense

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fryfrog:

oh?

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fryfrog:

I was just going to solder them inline with the wiring

[18:04:43]

fryfrog:

where possible

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gbee:

you can pack more radial into a smaller area – but they are more fiddly to solder

[18:04:48]

xzcvczx:

fryfrog: if you pay for the shipping i will send you the diode for free

[18:04:53]

fryfrog:

ahah

[18:05:08]

fryfrog:

1N4148

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xzcvczx:

fryfrog: or pay for me to come drop it off to you + return costs

[18:05:11]

fryfrog:

what does that mean, anyway?

[18:05:38]

xzcvczx:

gbee: radial = same end?

[18:05:46]

xzcvczx:

(i should know this)

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xzcvczx:

fryfrog: go even better and use surface mount resistors and stuff :P

[18:06:15]

scopeuk:

o

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fryfrog:

haha

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opello:

what are you making?

[18:06:22]

fryfrog:

me?

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fryfrog:

an ir reciever :)

[18:06:26]

xzcvczx:

ir reciever

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opello:

ahh

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opello:

fun

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fryfrog:

4.7K Ohm 1/4-Watt

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gbee:

xzcvczx: yep

[18:09:13]

fryfrog:

that'd be plenty, yah?

[18:10:05]

fryfrog:

damn, $10 in parts from radio shack :(

[18:10:20]

fryfrog:

I guess i should order online, any suggestions on cheap electronics parts?

[18:10:31]

fryfrog:

stores

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xzcvczx:

gah, how are you meant to do fine tuning of tv when you cant watch tv while you are doing it :S

[18:10:43]

fryfrog:

xzcvczx: db editing is the fastest way

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xzcvczx:

fryfrog: jaycar :P

[18:10:57]

fryfrog:

laptop with phpmyadmin running, flip up a chan then back down

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xzcvczx:

fryfrog: how does that help?

[18:11:06]

xzcvczx:

ahhh true

[18:11:09]

xzcvczx:

cheers

[18:11:18]

fryfrog:

jaycar a us place?

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xzcvczx:

which table

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fryfrog:

looks like AU / NZ :p

[18:11:28]

xzcvczx:

fryfrog: :P

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fryfrog:

xzcvczx: i don't recall :/

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xzcvczx:

wow an american who knows about nz :P

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fryfrog:

it saus "TechNZ" in a small spot near "TechAU" :p

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xzcvczx:

cheater

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fryfrog:

that said, i do know the diff betwen AU and NZ :)

[18:13:39]

fryfrog:

Lord of the Rings, filmed in NZ!

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Fnc:

croc hunter from au

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xzcvczx:

lol

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xris:

Is there something wrong with my wife when she says "daleks are so cuddly"?

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fryfrog:

nope :)

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scopeuk:

xris nope so long as she doesent start huging upturned dustbins

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xris:

heh

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fryfrog:

anyone know a good, cheap electroncs components website?

[18:26:17]

fryfrog:

or what i might search for to find one?

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fryfrog:

bah, wtf its just $10

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opello:

fryfrog: i've ordered from digikey.com before, seemed decent

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fryfrog:

i'll check them out

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fryfrog:

what the heck do you even call that stuff?

[18:33:54]

fryfrog:

i couldn't find anything in yellow pages under "electronics"

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opello:

maybe components?

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fryfrog:

didn't see anything there either :(

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opello:

there's a local hobby shop that has some too, but not usually everything

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opello:

and some radio shacks still carry some parts too

[18:35:13]

fryfrog:

yeah, radio shack has the parts at $10

[18:35:15]

fryfrog:

for all of it

[18:35:19]

fryfrog:

just thought that was a bit much

[18:36:16]

fryfrog:

jesus

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fryfrog:

that digikey place has a freaking huge ummm... inventory? :)

[18:36:33]

opello:

yeah :)

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fryfrog:

ahhh, i see they are mentioned on lirc

[18:37:25]

fryfrog:

so 36/38 khz is what you need?

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xris:

fryfrog: I think locally you really only have radioshack and fry's, unless you live in a big city, though I think digikey has put most of the local parts-only stores out of business.

[18:39:24]

fryfrog:

yeah, i don't mind ordering on line

[18:39:32]

fryfrog:

but digikey has a *huge* catalog of items

[18:39:41]

fryfrog:

its... confusing for someone who hasn't done this before :)

[18:40:10]

scopeuk:

no its just confusing

[18:40:11]

fryfrog:

plus lirc recommends a fair number of different ir receivers (including the one from radio shack which they mark as one of 2 "could be dodgy" ones

[18:40:30]

fryfrog:

what is the diff between a 36 and 38khz?

[18:40:32]

fryfrog:

does it matter?

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opello:

the frequency it receives?

[18:41:21]

fryfrog:

well, right

[18:41:25]

fryfrog:

but... does it matter?

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aboutblank:

is there some requirement for mpeg2 -> mpeg2 lossless transcoding to work? it doesn't work properly on mythtranscode and is not an option in nuvexport

[18:43:59]

fryfrog:

Searching DigiKey for "PHOTO IC INFRARED" and limiting it to just phillips and panasonic returns 128 items!

[18:44:16]

fryfrog:

aboutblank: i just ticked the check box for it under encoders

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aboutblank:

fryfrog: i assume you mean in mythtv?

[18:45:33]

fryfrog:

yeah

[18:45:56]

aboutblank:

doesn't work for me. it makes a new file, but it hasn't honored the cutlist.

[18:46:24]

fryfrog:

oh?

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aboutblank:

so i was thinking there might be some dependency.

[18:46:32]

fryfrog:

mine got about 1G smaller :)

[18:47:30]

fryfrog:

sheesh, from digikey the parts are about 3x cheaper

[18:47:45]

fryfrog:

$1.27 vs. $3.69

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fryfrog:

fukkit, i'll just search the site for the ones lirc recommends and pick the first one :p

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pnm:

hello!

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pnm:

quick question..

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fryfrog:

faster, faster!

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pnm:

after apt-get update / upgrading a knoppmyth install

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pnm:

mythweb seems to be broken

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pnm:

and can't find .mpg files in the recordings directory

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pnm:

any ideas / common problem?

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fryfrog:

i seriously have no idea what half the stuff on the digikey site menas

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fryfrog:

packaging? cut tape, tape & reel? wtf?

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seth|laptop:

pnm, did you get an apache update?

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seth|laptop:

if so, it may have overwritten /var/www

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pnm:

seth|laptop: yep..

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pnm:

ah, true

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pnm:

although /var/www still contains the mythweb dir

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seth|laptop:

did you restart the apache server?

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pnm:

yep

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seth|laptop:

maybe some changes in /etc/apache/httpd.conf

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pnm:

mmm, possibly

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seth|laptop:

I havent updated my R5C7, but I see murmurs in the forums about such things

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seth|laptop:

a good way to fix it is to run the ToggleWebSecurity.sh script, may change back permissions and modify httpd.conf with secure password settings.

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pnm:

ah, awesome

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pnm:

I'll give it a go

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opello:

idris

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opello:

oops

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opello:

wrong channel :)

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vballrican:

is it possible to add my old mythtv hd and copy the db records & recordings over and it will work?

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fryfrog:

god, digikey is hard to use :)

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fryfrog:

vballrican: you can copy the recordings and use myth.rebuilddb.pl to add them

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fryfrog:

but if you get the righ ttables, you can use them too

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fryfrog:

just be sure to only add the *specific* ones?

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fryfrog:

I got enough parts to make 5x serial IR devices from digikey for the same price as the parts from radioshack :/

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vballrican:

fryfrog: the myth.rebuild.pl has to be ran as su? and where is it located?

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C_Neufeld:

I have a knoppmyth box connected to a television that I upgraded yesterday. Trying to do it with dselect was a fiasco, the upgrade died halfway through, leaving me with a lobotomized machine which I restored from backup. So, I downloaded sources and built those, installing directly over top of the old installation. Everything worked fine, with two exceptions:

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C_Neufeld:

-- Using the "blue" theme, the fonts used in selectors like "watch recording" and "check upcoming recordings" are different than they used to be, they're too big, leading to characters in different columns overstriking one another, and all dates being represented simply as "...". I tried the GANT theme, and it looks fine.

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C_Neufeld:

-- The mytharchive scripts run fine, but never detect my cutlists. I've tried using the latest mytharchive from svn, but still, all recordings are listed as having no cutlists. Note that all recordings were made on a previous version of mythtv, but the database was successfully converted when I started up the new version of the program.

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C_Neufeld:

Any ideas?

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xzcvczx:

try deleting the themes and installing over them again?

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C_Neufeld:

I've done that once without noticeable effect. I also restored the old "blue" theme from my backup, the one from the older version of mythtv. It has the same problem.

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C_Neufeld:

The fonts in the program guide are also larger than before. Note that I haven't touched the X-server settings, this isn't an issue of "set your DPI to 100x100" (when I tried that, it wound up the wrong size for the television screen, the bottom of the display was cut off).

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Laney:

I can't seem to find where to set the directories for mythvideo to look for movies. Can someone point me in the right direction? (Accidently asked in #mythtv first :()

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vballrican:

Laney: have you tried going into setup on your frontend?

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Laney:

let's have a look

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seth|laptop:

Utilities/Setup >Setup> Media -Settings>Video Settings>General Settings

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Laney:

Found it. Is it possible to specify multiple directories or will symlinks be followed?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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seth|laptop:

I link samba shares to /myth/video

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GreyFoxx:

you can I think : seperate directories

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GreyFoxx:

Or just symlink which is what I do

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Laney:

I'll symlink then.

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Laney:

Back in a few minutes to pick your brains about mythdvd I imagine ;)

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C_Neufeld:

OK, looks like I figured out the font problem. In themes/blue/theme.xml, I reduced the value of <size:small> in the <font name="list-active"...> entry. Still no idea why my cutlists are ignored, but I'm tempted to just patch the mytharchive sources directly, since any time I have a cutlist, I always want to use it.

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vballrican:

how can i load webmin into FC5 without compiling?

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hobophobe:

One thing I've been wondering, what do I do when my zap2it data direct subscription thing expires? Just renew it?

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seth|laptop:

every 3 months

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hobophobe:

But you just have to renew it? Why's it expire then?

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seth|laptop:

just to make sure its being used

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hobophobe:

ah

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hobophobe:

Well cool, that's not that big of a deal as long as I remember to renew

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seth|laptop:

you will get an e-mail

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seth|laptop:

click the link, click renew, thats it

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hobophobe:

ah, awesome

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C_Neufeld:

Aha. Weirdness, when I upgraded mythtv, *some* of my recordings with cutlists lost those cutlists, but not others. I was testing mytharchive with recordings that no longer had cutlists. OK, so all of my pain is now gone.

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vballrican:

ok, i'm having a braincramp...what's the command to see my ip?

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vballrican:

on my myth box that is

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C_Neufeld:

vballrican: a Linux computer? If so, examine the output of /sbin/ifconfig

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seth|laptop:

out of .20svn which is the stable version what would be considered "head" or "fixes"

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seth|laptop:

see ip – ifconfig as root or sudo

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hobophobe:

alternatively there are websites that'll spit it back to you, but if you're through a router/wifi it'll give you your net-side ip not the actual ip of the machine

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vballrican:

i tried it from root but it won't work...only works as /sbin/ifconfig thanks C_Neufeld

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seth|laptop:

my 'ifconfig' must be in my path

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livesN[box]:

hey guys — I have a bunch of PVR-500's and I was wondering if I can use the coax input and the svideo input at the same time ?

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C_Neufeld:

vballrican: you probably didn't have /sbin in your PATH after you became root. This is generally a result of typing "su" instead of "su -"

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Dibblah:

livesN[box]: No.

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kormoc:

livesN[box], as in, you can use 2 tuners at the same time, 1 tuner and 1 svideo at a time, or 2 svideo, I thought so

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livesN[box]:

kormoc, yeah I'd just be using 1 of the tuners.. but I don't know how to do it.

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livesN[box]:

/dev/video0 – /dev/video9 all are showing video from the two tuners...

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livesN[box]:

(i have 5 cards in there)

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kormoc:

livesN[box], you'd need to tell ivtv to switch inputs, via ivtvcrtl (or similar)

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livesN[box]:

interesting... I'll look into it..

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livesN[box]:

that would be great.

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livesN[box]:

because I won't always have a channelized feed coming in — may have like 10 Dish boxes...

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Dibblah:

livesN[box]: Sorry – I was assuming you were meaning concurrently. The 500 can only do 2 stream encodings at once.

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livesN[box]:

Dibblah, that's fine — I just didn't see much info on making it use 1 coax tuner and 1 s-video input

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Dibblah:

The 500 is just 2 150s with a PCI bridge – So they're completely seperate cards, AFAIK.

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livesN[box]:

did you mean ivtvctrl ?

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vballrican:

hmm... my mythtv recordings look grainy... :( I set the bitrate to 8000min 10000max...

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livesN[box]:

or ivtvctl ?

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kormoc:

livesN[box], ctrl I thought

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kormoc:

Dibblah, sure, so why couldn't you use one in svideo mode and one in tuner mode?

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kormoc:

Dibblah, ooh, nm

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Dibblah:

I'd be nervous of that many PVRs in one box. The chipset isn't too good with DMA at the best of times.

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Dibblah:

And 5 passive PCI bridges doesn't sound too friendly either.

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livesN[box]:

Well — it's a test box — we'll see how it goes :)

[21:05:58]

livesN[box]:

Can you recommend a more stable multi-input card?

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livesN[box]:

I probably don't need any tuners on it.. just video/audio capture

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Dibblah:

There aren't any at the moment.

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livesN[box]:

http://www.remote-security.com/DX5000.htm

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livesN[box]:

?

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Dibblah:

There are a few 'true' multi-input ones on PCI-e, but they're a few months away in the Windows world, let alone Linux.

[21:07:23]

Dibblah:

Ick. 4 bt8x8s and a PCI bridge.

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livesN[box]:

any idea what the ivtvctl command is to switch a card to the svideo input (pvr500) ?

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Dibblah:

Actually, no... Those look more like connexant chips.

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livesN[box]:

yeah they are

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livesN[box]:

http://www.remote-security.com/image/avermedia/dx5000_board.jpg

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livesN[box]:

you can put an expansion module on that and get 4 more inputs..

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livesN[box]:

and you can put 2 cards, each with expansion modules, in your PC

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Dibblah:

Odd looking thing.

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livesN[box]:

that would be sweet.. 16 inputs in a single PC

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Dibblah:

But you can't get full-frame out of it, I'd guess.

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Dibblah:

It's PCI.

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livesN[box]:

good enough for me.. it would be at least 30fps

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Dibblah:

32*33/8=132Mbytes / sec.

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livesN[box]:

alone they are 120/100fps

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Dibblah:

Not a chance.

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Dibblah:

Not uncompressed.

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livesN[box]:

I believe the cards do the compression.. but I wouldn't swear to that

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livesN[box]:

MPEG4 I believe.

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livesN[box]:

max res 640x480

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livesN[box]:

so t hey're not going to be super hi res.

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Dibblah:

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Dibblah:

Uhuh...

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Dibblah:

Now that's wrong in so many ways :)

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livesN[box]:

heh.. we can do that ;)

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Dibblah:

P4 28Ghz? Cunning.

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livesN[box]:

(or higher)

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Dibblah:

It's a surveillance camera.

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Dibblah:

It's not what you're looking for :)

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Dibblah:

camera card, even...

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livesN[box]:

Maybe maybe not.

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livesN[box]:

you don't know what I'm looking for.

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livesN[box]:

I need the least expensive way to provide the max # of channels to basically 10" computer monitors.

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livesN[box]:

well maybe 12"

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livesN[box]:

so I don't need super high quality.

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livesN[box]:

I don't think I'd be using their software.

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kormoc:

livesN[box], that card is a 320x240 bttv capture card, which means the cpu does all the encoding work, and black and white I thought?

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vballrican:

go with X10 technology then... :)

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livesN[box]:

bttv eh ?

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livesN[box]:

that would suck.

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kormoc:

livesN[box], aye

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vballrican:

kormoc: my mythtv recordings look grainy... :( I set the bitrate to 8000min 10000max... any ideas?

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livesN[box]:

I saw a setup where they were using cards with 4 inputs on them..

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livesN[box]:

but the tech didn't know what type of cards they were.. he said" I think they're N-Vidia" — but I don't see where nvidia offers anything like that

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kormoc:

vballrican, not really, aside from making sure the cable is good and perhaps moving cards around

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livesN[box]:

anyone help me out with the ivtvctrl command ?

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vballrican:

hmm.. k

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Dibblah:

livesN[box]: The other option is to try your luck with the USB2 route.

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Dibblah:

The go7007 based stuff is actually quite good.

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livesN[box]:

I haven't really seen much about it.

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livesN[box]:

I'll take a look at it

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Dibblah:

livesN[box]: Why do you want ivtvctrl? Why not just do it through mythtv-setup?

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livesN[box]:

I don't use mythtv :)

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Dibblah:

Okay. Outa here, then ;)

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livesN[box]:

this is just the biggest group of people who might have a clue about this stuff.

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livesN[box]:

I'm just basically using VLC to multicast a bunch of channels over my network.

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Dibblah:

Use Myth. It's more fun.

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livesN[box]:

does ivtvctrl take a video device ?

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livesN[box]:

That may be but I don't intend to have any GUI installed.

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Dibblah:

Yes, but it's been a while.

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livesN[box]:

I mean take it as a parameter ?

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Dibblah:

I'd try the manpage.

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livesN[box]:

k.

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livesN[box]:

thanks

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Dibblah:

10 dish feeds? That's gonna be expensive. In electricity, if nothing else.

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Dibblah:

And also rather... Pointless.

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kormoc:

when you have 10 different people wantting a pvr at the same time...

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Dibblah:

I have 4 Sky feeds into my Myth box. And only have 3 max

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Dibblah:

recordings at once.

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Dibblah:

But this isn't a PVR. It's worse than that :)

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vballrican:

any ideas why my recordings are grainy? not really like bad reception grainy..more like quality!

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livesN[box]:

Dibblah, think Head End

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livesN[box]:

like when you go to BW3's — look in their AV rack — it's a bunch of dish boxes..

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livesN[box]:

They are just now starting to make multiple output / rack mountable dish stbs

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Dibblah:

Uhuh. They also have rebroadcast licenses. How much does that cost?

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livesN[box]:

Not much.. it's actually a lot cheaper than signing up for 500 dish accounts

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livesN[box]:

I'd rather have say 40 dish boxes in a head end and distribute out to 500 sets..

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Dibblah:

Interesting.

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livesN[box]:

then have 500 individual accounts and 500 boxes.

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livesN[box]:

plus we just say "we will only show these 40 channels" and we get even cheaper rates.

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Dibblah:

If you're looking at this commercially, definitely do not go the PVR-x50 route.

[21:25:41]

Dibblah:

It's going to be a world of pain.

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livesN[box]:

yes commercially — we are trying to find the right card..

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livesN[box]:

we have several options and are exploring them all..

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Dibblah:

I would seriously suggest getting access to the digital feeds.

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Dibblah:

DVB-like.

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livesN[box]:

the more channels we can squeeze into a single server the fewer servers we need to buy, the less $$ we have to spend up front..

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livesN[box]:

what do you mean ?

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livesN[box]:

what digital feeds ?

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Dibblah:

I mean don't have the STB at all.

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livesN[box]:

just come in off the dish's to a card ?

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Dibblah:

Yup.

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livesN[box]:

that would be awesome.. what cards do that ?

[21:27:25]

Dibblah:

Depends on your source.

[21:27:34]

livesN[box]:

if we could get one that could tune multiple channels at once too.. that would be great.

[21:27:38]

Dibblah:

DVB-s cards in the most part for dish.

[21:27:55]

Dibblah:

Yup. Up to a full mux, depending on the card and software.

[21:28:05]

Dibblah:

However...

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Dibblah:

There's no way they'll give you a CAM to decrypt.

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livesN[box]:

wow that would be awesome.. then we could just pump out all of the channels via multicast and only use 1 card? sounds too good to be true..

[21:28:35]

livesN[box]:

that's true.....

[21:28:39]

Dibblah:

No – A full mux is ~8 channels.

[21:28:46]

livesN[box]:

I wonder if Dish / DirectTV has any solutions like that too...

[21:28:47]

gu014:

hey, i realize this is off channel, but what does anyone think of SageTV?

[21:28:51]

Dibblah:

Depending on the quality they're using.

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livesN[box]:

Perhaps I should get on the phone with Dish / DirectTV Monday..

[21:29:43]

Dibblah:

Yup. Be sure to tell them exactly what you want. They'll even send someone round, I'm sure ;)

[21:30:09]

livesN[box]:

Yeah I probably should get them involved..

[21:30:19]

livesN[box]:

Thanks for the advice..

[21:30:33]

Dibblah:

Reencoding the video is not a good idea if you're reselling it. Your customers *will* complain.

[21:31:28]

livesN[box]:

what do you mean ?

[21:31:38]

livesN[box]:

I have to get it to iptv somehow

[21:31:45]

livesN[box]:

all customers are on iptv

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Dibblah:

There is a noticable reduction in quality when you reencode video. And with Dish, it's not stellar to begin with.

[21:32:19]

livesN[box]:

don't forget – 10" – 12" monitors..

[21:32:35]

livesN[box]:

well there is no man page for ivtvctl

[21:32:40]

livesN[box]:

and I can't really find much online..

[21:32:41]

Dibblah:

... There's a reason that "real" studio encoders cost $$$.

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livesN[box]:

ah.. ivtvctl -d /dev/videox

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livesN[box]:

i might be on to something.. brb

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Dibblah:

"derelicting"

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Dibblah:

"derelicting"

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Dibblah:

Lovely.

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livesN[box]:

well...

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livesN[box]:

I learned how to change it to another input but they are all coming up blank..

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livesN[box]:

even though I have a verified source coming to the compositve video.

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fryfrog:

livesN[box]: pvrx50?

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fryfrog:

livesN[box]: I was trying composite in on my pvr250 and i *finally* found it on composite3 of all places

[21:50:17]

livesN[box]:

hmm.. I don't see a composite 3

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livesN[box]:

I've got a pvr 500 (which I guess is like two 150's)

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

i've not used the svideo/rca inputs on my pvr500 yet

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livesN[box]:

after I do the ivtvctl command do I have to modprobe ivtv again ?

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kormoc:

no

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kormoc:

you don't want to, as that will undo what the command does

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livesN[box]:

ok yeah I wasn't

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gardengnome:

heya.

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gardengnome:

xris: i like the favicon in mythweb. is there a bigger version that could be used as a logo for mythwiki.de?

[22:02:37]

jams:

hey gardengnome

[22:03:04]

gardengnome:

heya jams

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jams:

i suspect you have been absent due to hard work on that ubunta project =)

[22:07:14]

gardengnome:

nope, in fact i haven't worked much on it. i think i have a better understanding of the CD image building process, though.

[22:07:31]

gardengnome:

the reason for my absence is the annoyingly low SNR ratio in here :)

[22:07:46]

jams:

heh

[22:09:21]

gardengnome:

after you've heard complaints about "ivtv not worky" for about 500 times, the effect of novelty starts to wear off..

[22:09:45]

jams:

I took a day off from work today, because of that very reason. The QA peson messed up and I ddidn't want to hear him whine.

[22:10:31]

jams:

error reports of "it doesn't work" and I can't tell you how it doesn't work get old real quick

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ShockValue:

anyone know where to get the remote codes for the remote that comes with the 6200?

[22:12:29]

tehk:

Anyone know how to get an ATSC 110 working with ntsc analog

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Fnc:

whats 110?

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tehk:

Its the cards name. "ATSC 110"

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Fnc:

does it work with non digital channels?

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Fnc:

i have a atsc that does, and one that doesnt

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tehk:

Yes it has two input. One for non digital

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Fnc:

does linux detect the analog side?

[22:14:38]

tehk:

I have the DVB drivers for digital but I need to get the V4l working

[22:14:43]

tehk:

It displays static

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Fnc:

what os you runing?

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tehk:

Linux

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gardengnome:

jams: good idea..

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Fnc:

what flavor?

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vballrican:

i need some help...

[22:17:18]

tehk:

Ubuntu 6.06

[22:17:24]

vballrican:

anyone can help me with a non-mythtv prob

[22:17:31]

tehk:

I have tried on my Knoppmyth setup also.

[22:17:32]

robbins876:

perhaps

[22:17:52]

vballrican:

i have 2 hd in my system, my system sees only 1 hd... :(

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tehk:

OS?

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vballrican:

FC5

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Fnc:

i dont know about ubuntu

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Fnc:

try installing the 4vl stuff... and the ivtv drivers.. and see what yhou get

[22:18:40]

robbins876:

did you take one from a windows machine?

[22:18:48]

vballrican:

no

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tehk:

I have. I think its a problem on my end with tuning and such.

[22:18:55]

robbins876:

have you formatted both?

[22:19:03]

tehk:

Did you mount it?

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vballrican:

one is new and the other was in my old box

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robbins876:

which is it recognizing?

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vballrican:

i formatted the new one not the old

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tehk:

Thank you for the help Fnc.

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vballrican:

the new..mythtv is up and running.. :)

[22:19:36]

Fnc:

heh.. hd.. i thought he was talking about HiDef.. dang

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robbins876:

i'd suggest formatting that old one

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xris:

gardengnome: I have a favicon in mythweb?

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vballrican:

i haven't mounted it because the system won't see it

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Fnc:

i was like how you format a card.. longassweek

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Fnc:

vballrican

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xris:

oh, that one. yeah, it's just part of the Blue theme

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vballrican:

robbins: uh..can't...it has my files...

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Fnc:

is it recognized during boot?

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robbins876:

hmm...

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vballrican:

Fnc: yes

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Fnc:

then you just need to mount it

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Fnc:

whats the device?

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robbins876:

when you fdisk -l it doesn't show up?

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vballrican:

ohh

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vballrican:

fdisk command not found

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robbins876:

login in as root with su -

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tehk:

um

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Fnc:

vball whats the device?

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vballrican:

i did

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robbins876:

su -, not su

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vballrican:

Fnc: i don't know..maybe hdb?

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robbins876:

fdisk -l will tell you for sure

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Juski:

!trout gardengnome wakeywakey

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** MythLogBot slaps gardengnome with a wakeywakey trout on behalf of Juski... **

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gardengnome:

xris: yep. a cute tv it is!

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vballrican:

exit

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Juski:

how's it going there mr gardengnome?

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vballrican:

it's hdc

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tehk:

ok

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Fnc:

as root

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Fnc:

mount /dev/hdc(part num) /mnt

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tehk:

or /media

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gardengnome:

Juski: fine fine. ready to throw $stuff out of the window. and for you?

[22:23:23]

livesN[box]:

so anyone have a trick to making the composite or svideo inputs on my pvr500 work ?

[22:23:27]

Juski:

not too bad. still potterring away & moaning about work & crap

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livesN[box]:

I changed to them using ivtvctl but they just show a blank screen.

[22:24:09]

tehk:

I now understand why a Made for Linux card is so nice to have.

[22:24:14]

Juski:

livesN[box]: you using the breakout bracket for the 2nd set of inputs? you might need em

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Fnc:

tehk: what one you referin too?

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livesN[box]:

no I'm not.. why would I need them ?

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vballrican:

ok, now that it's mounted, can i add it to an LVM group?

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gardengnome:

Juski: good good.

[22:25:12]

Juski:

gardengnome: yeah.. and planning some kind of surprise for my 3rd wedding anniversary since I'm not actually gonna be there on the day

[22:25:15]

Juski:

(oops)

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vballrican:

cd media

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Fnc:

vball.. you got me, i dont mess with LVM... but i know you can configure LVM stuff through most graphicall stuff...

[22:25:20]

vballrican:

lol

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Fnc:

but it might not need to be mounted... not all that familiar with LVM

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vballrican:

fnc: i already configured the /video dir for LVM using ext3.. the second hd is ext3 also..i just don't want to lose my stuff... :)

[22:26:27]

Juski:

livesN[box]: you'd need em to get to the other half of the card's video & audio inputs

[22:26:48]

Juski:

livesN[box]: because one set of inputs, the ones on the card, only go to one encoder

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gardengnome:

Juski: good luck. what is it gonna be? just vanish completely? :)

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vballrican:

what's the graphical disk manager in fc5?

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Juski:

gardengnome: lol. no – remember marriage is like a sentence.. but you get many less years for murder ;)

[22:28:20]

livesN[box]:

Juski, I'm confused..

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livesN[box]:

why are there composite and s-video inputs on this card if I can't use them ?

[22:28:57]

Juski:

livesN[box]: recent versions of the card come with a bracket to give you the inputs for the 2nd encoder

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tehk:

Anyone own a atsc 110?

[22:29:23]

livesN[box]:

I am still confused... what are THESE inputs for ?

[22:29:30]

livesN[box]:

nothing ?

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Juski:

livesN[box]: the other thing is you're prolly not using the right ivtvctl options

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tehk:

capturing stuff from things like an xbox.

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livesN[box]:

aha.. now we're talking..

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livesN[box]:

Juski, where can I look to find the right options ?

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Juski:

but if you're looking at the 2nd encoder you're not likely to see anything without that bracket

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aboutblank:

sorry for people who have heard my question before. Is there a dependency for mpeg2 -> mpeg2 lossless encoding? using mythtranscode, --mpeg2 does not honor the cutlist. in nuvexport, the option for it does not show up. thank you for your time

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livesN[box]:

aha!

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Juski:

livesN[box]: ivtvctl -p 0 (or 1 or 2 or 3 etc)

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livesN[box]:

Juski, I got it.

[22:32:05]

livesN[box]:

I was switching the 2nd encoder to composite.. i needed to switch the first encoder to composite and the 2nd encoder to tuner

[22:32:09]

livesN[box]:

Whee!!!

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Juski:

livesN[box]: and to use the 2nd encoder you might have to hassle Hauppauge to send you a bracket or something

[22:32:52]

livesN[box]:

nah I can just use the Tuner with it.

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Juski:

be handy to have it anyway, but never mind

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vballrican:

what's the graphical disk manager in fc5?

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vballrican:

to view or change mounts, etc...

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tehk:

Can you scan channels with a analog tuner?

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vballrican:

bbl..thanks everyone

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Juski:

tehk: sometimes. depends on the tuner

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tehk:

Mine seems to have the option grayed out. Getting static when viewing on the front end.

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aboutblank:

man i sure wish i could get this to work

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Juski:

man I sure wish you could too :-P

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ShockValue:

bah, this comcast remote sucks. you can lock the volume to a TV but you cant lock it to an AV Reciever

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vballrican:

doesn't FC5 have a file explorer like windows?

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gardengnome:

vballrican: if you're using KDE, look for konqueror

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vballrican:

konqueror? ok

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vballrican:

that's a web browser

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gardengnome:

well, the file explorer in windows is a web browser, too. it can do both.

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vballrican:

actually is displays files first unless you input a website..this konqueror thing opens up a website... how do i change it to display files

[22:54:20]

js0:

vballrican, just enter the path

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vballrican:

ack..it doesn't show any files...

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vballrican:

it's a 120GB hd that had all my files from the previous box... :(

[22:57:06]

gardengnome:

if you didn'

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gardengnome:

t format the partition, you might have to mount it.

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Zider:

maybe you don't have read permission

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vballrican:

ack..even worse...after mounting, it only shows the lost$found folder... :(

[22:59:52]

vballrican:

noooooo!! FC5 deleted my stuff or i'm going nuts!

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vballrican:

ok.. *phew* i have 2 120GB hd...i think i put in the wrong one...

[23:01:45]

Zider:

doh ;)

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vballrican:

well, i don't know yet! :)

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mezoko:

Hi

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mezoko:

What powersupplys due you guys have? I have a Thermaltake Silent PurePower TT-420AD(DUAL FAN) ATX 420W, which occurding to the reviews is quite, but I can hear it loud and clear

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Zider:

I have a noname 300W pos I got from an old discarded case ;)

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aboutblank:

does myth use mpeg2cut for the lossless mpeg2 transcoding?

[23:06:33]

vballrican:

yay!1 my stuff is there!! :)

[23:06:43]

BULLE:

mezoko: i use an antec phantom psu

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BULLE:

mezoko: its quiet

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vballrican:

now, can i add this hd to an LVM group?

[23:07:09]

vballrican:

:)

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mezoko:

BULLE, how much does it cost though?

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BULLE:

mezoko: not cheap

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BULLE:

mezoko: 150 usd ? or so, here, in sweden

[23:07:54]

mezoko:

BULLE, yeah $150 is a bit high for a meida center pc

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BULLE:

mezoko: nah it isnt imho, for a media center pc you realy want the quiet stuff

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BULLE:

mezoko: and my media pc has 8 disks in it, so it needs a pretty beefy psu

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mezoko:

Mines gonna have two at the most

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mezoko:

Woops sorrya bout that

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mezoko:

Grr something in this dam computer is load as fuck

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mezoko:

I think it the psu, but I'm not sure :-/

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mezoko:

its not the case

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mezoko:

maybe I'm just being to senitive to the noise

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mezoko:

my antec smart power though it quite as a shit

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BULLE:

mezoko: i tuck away my media pc behind the sofa

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BULLE:

mezoko: it removes lots of noise

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mezoko:

BULLE, how do you runt the cables to your tv though?

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BULLE:

mezoko: i just use pretty long cables

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mezoko:

how do you route everything though? do they cross you floor in the walking area?

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BULLE:

mezoko: i have a carpet

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BULLE:

mezoko: i just route the cables along wall, down at floor level

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mezoko:

oh, underneth the carptet I take it

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BULLE:

its just one cable for the tv though, and one cable for the ir receiver

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mezoko:

BULLE, then what about audio?

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BULLE:

mezoko: oh

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BULLE:

mezoko: im european

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BULLE:

mezoko: we use scart connectors

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mezoko:

oh what are those?

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BULLE:

mezoko: it has lots of pins, so sound and video goes in the same cable

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mezoko:

oh I see

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BULLE:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scart

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BULLE:

its the standard connector for tvs around here, and hdmi for new digital hd screens

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mezoko:

oh

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mezoko:

If the tv card has a onboard processer, how much cpu ussage would be used recording a shower?

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BULLE:

VERY little

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BULLE:

if we are talking of a dvb card, or a ivtv card or similar

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mezoko:

yeah an ivtv card

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Zider:

record a shower? don't let any water near it!

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Zider:

"ivtv" always makes me think of intravenous tv ;)

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